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No my 5 foot 2 frame was not
quite made for basketball.

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OK, we'll call the
meeting to order.

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The Redmond city council.

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And first item is 1,200 acres.

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I think I sent everyone
a memo just this morning.

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But anyway, where I was left off
from last week's joint meeting

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with the commissioners
was kind of up in the air.

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So I'm hoping that the council
would ask the County to take

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over the project in terms of
funding something in 26, 27

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to keep it moving forward.

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I do think it's a good
project for Redman.

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The one.

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Return on investment that
I could see that makes

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sense out of the 1,200 acres.

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Is that a percentage of
any proceeds of sales

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of the property by the County
would go into infrastructure

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in the Redmond
community, particularly

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improving the crappy County
roads we end up inheriting.

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So obviously there's miles
and miles to go on that,

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but I would hope that we
would encourage the County

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to proceed with that.

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But I'll throw it
open to you guys

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for interested investors
and the development

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of the 1,200 acres County.

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Just the County.

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There's no third party.

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They're going to self develop.

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No, no.

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I mean how they do
it is up to them.

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They're the owner
of the properties.

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Whether they hire a contractor
like that stuff in Phoenix.

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And there's a
whole thing at once

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or whether they piecemeal that's
going to be up to the County.

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Do we not have any concerns that
they're going to take, maybe

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like the design or
plans that was presented

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to us with the curvy roads
and the non straight streets,

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and master plan it that way
and hand it back because that's

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the path of least resistance now
that it's there, instead of I

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mean, I have no problem in
the future getting the County

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to do a master plan annexation.

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But who designs
that master plan.

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Is that going to fall
to the County then.

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It has to.

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It's their property.

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And that concerns me because
I don't as the Redmond city

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council, that we want
the County deciding

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what our roads
and infrastructure

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are going to be in that area.

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I mean, it's still a land
use application to the city.

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And working with Nick
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on this from the County
planning department,

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they are totally interested in
having the city's, I'll call it

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imperator on this property, be
really the driving force on it,

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but it's a County
property they're

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going to have to fund however
it goes forward, because it's

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not a city project.

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Now, there's all
kinds of possibilities

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that we do a joint venture
with the County on it,

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but I don't think we're
interested in doing

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it at this juncture because
we got enough on our plate.

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Exactly I think we were pretty
clear that we didn't when we

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spoke about this in our goals,
that it wasn't something

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to add to the 2026 plan.

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I don't have a problem asking
the County to take it on.

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I fear that the County taking
it on is not productive.

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And now you're turning something
over to them that wouldn't it

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be better to wait till 2028
and then do a joint venture

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or something, but to
plan it out in the future

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where there's good oversight
as to what we're bringing

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into our city as part
of what Redmond looks

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like, as opposed to what the
County decides what we need.

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So one option.

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Makes some sense is we'll have
five commissioners next year.

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In 2027.

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That might be the
appropriate time

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to start working on some
type of joint venture on it

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to have some funding
from the County

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and the 2728 budget cycle.

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That would make
some sense to me.

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And there's a land use change
here that they have to go for.

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The original idea was
the more you get this

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to where this is a great plan,
the more it's easier to sell to.

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Legislators say it
makes total sense

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to bring this in as one unit
into the UTB, which is totally

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outside the box for the LCD.

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And I get that.

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I just default
back to the County

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as that one person to do that.

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Even if we had
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what we're looking at right
now is 3 to four of them,

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without that level of
legislative competence

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or negotiation skills.

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I mean, they're new.

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They're going to walk
into this thing brand new

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and learning
everything as they go.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I guess the County
should take it over.

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We have no bandwidth
or time, but are they

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the right entity for
now, or do we want

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to wait and have a say later.

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That's the hard part for me.

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I don't think I feel like we're
pushing it forward so we can say

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that it's there without looking
at what that could end up being

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and built our standards.

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Yeah, I said like I said
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I finally I get why it's
such an attractive project.

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My fear is we are strictly
from an experience standpoint.

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We are going to be
looking at four County

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commissioners,
maybe two of which

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will have had any
experience with land use.

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You'd have if Commissioner
Bowen is reelected,

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he's got some experience
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Chang isn't up for reelection.

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Those are the only two
land use experience.

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Commissioner Chang
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any interest in doing this.

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He still wants to piecemeal
the West Side one at a time.

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Didn't show any interest
in the East side.

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Didn't show any interest
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because he can't quite
figure out that we

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could do two things at once.

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And my fear is, if we
pointed out to them, hey,

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we've got this great opportunity
for you, they may screw it up,

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for lack of a better term.

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I mean, I think
that is my concern.

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It's like, what conceptually
that is a good idea,

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but it's not one we're
ready for and we're

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handing it over to the
least qualified drivers.

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I don't want to let my kids
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I guess.

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I mean, the driving force
on land use is not Tony.

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And to some extent Phil,
it's Nick lack and Peter

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Grotowski and those people.

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And I have a lot of
faith and trust in them.

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And they are from
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that been a part of.

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They're 110% behind
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can see the benefit of
balancing out our community

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on the East side and.

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This has been in the plans for
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And Nick was the
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developed that East side plan.

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I think any of us have a problem
with East side development.

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I think we have a problem
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development and the time frame.

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I think that's really what
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And then, of course, again, I
don't have the faith in Nick

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and Peter that you
do because I don't

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have the experience with them.

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But I can take that
with a grain of salt.

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So the only thing that I was
thinking that would happen

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in the 2627 budget cycle,
which is like 15 months out,

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is that they would do.

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An environmental assessment,
which doesn't do anything

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in terms of planning.

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But it shows what
some of the challenges

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would be, particularly on
the fill from the dump.

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And any issue with homeless
encampments out there.

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It doesn't change the
dynamic of the plan.

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It doesn't.

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It's just an
environmental assessment.

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So I guess since it is County
owned property and correct me

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if I'm wrong in any statement,
the reason we're still

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discussing it is for the
potential in the future for it

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to be annexed into the city of
Redmond as that 1,200 acres,

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correct Correct.

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Do we have the capacity to
keep it from getting piecemeal

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if I mean, that's but I
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we do as we do.

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But if the County still
owns it, we don't have that.

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If you abandon that, what is
that ability worth anything.

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Let me put it this way.

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If you abandon it and
just say no, we're

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not going to do anything with
it, it makes it more likely

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that the County is just going
to do whatever they want to do.

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But, I mean, I have
talked ad nauseam

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on, so I'm going to shut up.

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I think a long term,
I think a study that's

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looking forward long term
on it, I think is probably

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worth the conversation.

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And that just in simply
in that respect, so that

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we can try to keep it
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for future development.

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Well, and again, that has to
be approved at the state level.

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So that bandwidth
and that teeing up.

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So I guess next question,
because you want

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to do an environmental
study in 2728,

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figure out if it's feasible.

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Players will change and
then we're into 2829.

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That would be when OK,
we have a feasibility.

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Should we take this
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or when do you see
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If we want 1,200 acres
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29 or 31, 29 or 31.

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OK, so with the question
that John or excuse me,

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Councilor John proposed.

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Is there an
opportunity and maybe

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this is a question
or a KW question.

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Enter into an IgA.

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So it isn't split up.

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I would recommend I
mean I think the sense

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I got from the council was a
master plan for the 1,200 acres.

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Makes a lot of sense.

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Development on Northeast
revenue makes sense,

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but we want to have some
measure of input on it

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so they don't screw it up.

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Yeah, that's like the US
hockey team did yesterday.

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That goalie was winning.

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I mean, I picture is everything.

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I think an MOU that kind
of states our intent

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IgA that's above my pay grade.

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But I think just something
that simply says this

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is what we're trying to do.

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And letting them dip a toe but
not go so fast that you can't.

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Yeah, it's an agreement.

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We don't split it up.

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What does that look like
in resources and time.

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I mean, from our standpoint
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because the goal of pushing it
out was to save on the resources

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here in the city so we
can get done our tasks.

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And so I'm totally OK
handing off work to them.

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But by having an IgA,
what does that take

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back and put back in our court.

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I'm going to shut up to.

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The IgA would lay out the goal
that it's in the best interests

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of the community to have a
master plan for the 1,200 acres,

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to bring it in as one unit,
to develop it as a master plan

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in a form that the city
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and that certain
incremental steps will

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be taken over the
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years budgeted by the County.

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And then at that point,
somewhere in that 2829 time

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frame, then it would get a more
serious in terms of actually

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diving in with a work plan
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And the planning commission
as to what this animal

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is going to look like.

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OK can we do that without
getting a significant to do list

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from County commissioners that
are skeptical of development

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on the East side, because
that was one of the comments

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that Commissioner Chang
brought up was like, well,

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he wants an impact study, and he
wants to see usage in a 20 year

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plan for the East
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to entertain the West Side.

249
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Yeah, you can just look
at East side growth.

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And I mean, that was
necessary and extrapolate

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from those numbers.

252
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That is not complex.

253
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That is just lazy on his part.

254
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Well I mean OK.

255
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And my one concern is that in
a five year plan that we have

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right now, we don't even have
the roundabout coming through

257
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in 20 10th Street coming
through until that time

258
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period you're talking about.

259
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And to me, those things have
to be advanced or something

260
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to be built so that we can
have something on the West Side

261
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especially.

262
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Well, I agree, and I think that
would still be a lot to have

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a lot of balls in the air.

264
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That's right.

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East side.

266
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The East side is fine, but we
got problems with the West Side.

267
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We need to make
sure we get handled.

268
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Where are we with the
wrap for the West Side.

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Beginning stages.

271
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Yeah, we started that
effort a couple years ago

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and had to press pause after.

273
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We did a significant
amount of community input,

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but we were to the point
of like drafting a plan

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and coming up with
different scenarios

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to then present through
the adoption process

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and more community outreach.

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So, Keith, from a
staffing standpoint,

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if we wanted to
entertain some type of I

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guess, declaration to
work with the County

281
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to do this, what would it look
like in terms of staff time,

282
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in terms of capacity.

283
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How many windows do you
have to nail shut to keep

284
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people from jumping out.

285
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I mean, depends on
the scope creep.

286
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That's not going to drink
all this month because you're

287
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like only on Tuesdays.

288
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That's my.

289
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I mean, that's kind of what
I'm afraid of is if we go into.

290
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Yeah so yeah, I'm not
contradicting that.

291
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But I mean, kind of
pretty clear that I

292
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can't do anything on this.

293
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I'm not going to put any money
so we can put whatever agreement

294
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we want together.

295
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And it'll be like,
great, thanks.

296
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And then they're going
to ask questions like,

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is this more of a
priority than A, B and C.

298
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I mean I. Councilor
Patrick was speaking to I

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think maybe less than that.

300
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I mean, I wouldn't want to see
us start deciding to reserve

301
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infrastructure to the
East side that I would

302
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say to the West
Side, because we've

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begun to crawl forward on this.

304
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And I mean, so and I
don't want to dedicate

305
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a bunch of staff time to it
if they're not ready to go.

306
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And I think that's
kind of my fear.

307
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Like, I would like to see
us do some kind of something

308
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that just simply says,
this is our intent,

309
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but I don't want them to
come back with a to do list.

310
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If they're just playing for time
and they're fine giving us busy

311
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work to their US and ignore us.

312
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And that's my fear.

313
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I heard they were not
interested in this at all.

314
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That's what I heard.

315
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But I mean, from a policy
perspective, your policy.

316
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And if you want to
sketch a framework,

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I just don't want to
see on behalf of staff,

318
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I just want to make sure we
manage scope creep on this

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so it doesn't become crumbs that
then turn into letter crumbs.

320
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Is there any reason
that this can't just

321
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be a placeholder in
our thought processes

322
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until we hit our
goal session in 2027

323
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and then re-approach
the County with it,

324
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then when we're getting into
a longer legislative session,

325
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we're looking at
different land use.

326
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I have concerns.

327
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I was on the Northwest group.

328
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That's why I left that it's not
been completed because it's been

329
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a while since I've been on
planning, but it's been a while,

330
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and I think that if we balance
our focus on what we've approved

331
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as far as annexation
and growth and get some

332
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of those infrastructure
pieces done to the West Side

333
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organically, that will allow us
to have the balance a little bit

334
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later to investigate
the East side,

335
00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:32,520
but I think everybody
wants to see

336
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some traction on those
corridors on the West Side that

337
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are strained.

338
00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:39,340
And unfortunately, as we
improve those corridors,

339
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we'll get more traffic because
we'll build more homes.

340
00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:43,480
So that doesn't help
with the problem

341
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,260
that Ed solved by
putting this together.

342
00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:48,660
And we would add to it by
improving those corridors.

343
00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:51,800
It will make it more traffic
and more trips and more people

344
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,440
because it opens up
all that annexation.

345
00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,700
We have an agenda today,
so why don't we do this.

346
00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:01,040
I agree, let's defer
to the goal session

347
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,920
at the end of the year
for the next council.

348
00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,200
Does that make sense.

349
00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,660
Do you want to put
the piece next,

350
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just in case we lose people
in terms of the 22 acres

351
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and there's under
miscellaneous on this agenda.

352
00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,000
Sure go ahead.

353
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:17,500
All right.

354
00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:20,720
So there's a discussion at 4:00.

355
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,119
Josh and I have to go meet with
the city of bend on Monday.

356
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This developer is different for
her, and he had met with staff

357
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and wanted to die.

358
00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,820
And I guess I'm looking at both
you and I agree it has better

359
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knowledge to 5.0.82 acres.

360
00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:41,460
OK, OK.

361
00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:44,900
Yeah so this is a
project where Randy lives

362
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just South of his property.

363
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,660
There's that long, narrow piece
goes out to the Canyon rim.

364
00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:53,540
They want to put some
cluster development up there.

365
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They owned 0.82
acres in the County.

366
00:17:57,780 --> 00:18:02,180
I met with Vicente
last week sometime.

367
00:18:02,180 --> 00:18:05,140
The discussion was
on the 0.2 acres.

368
00:18:05,140 --> 00:18:08,500
I think they had originally
asked the city to buy it.

369
00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:12,540
I said, well, might make some
sense is if they deeded that 0.2

370
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acres, which is right
next to the bulb fields,

371
00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:18,340
and got a credit
for their park SDCS

372
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just on that development, that
would make some sense to me.

373
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And I think having an incentive
of having people deed property

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in the Canyon to the city.

375
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,720
Rather than having that
mix of private ownership

376
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and city ownership down
there long term makes sense.

377
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,340
So that was the nature
of the discussion.

378
00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:36,500
And then the complexity.

379
00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:39,520
All I can do is introduce it
because it's not in the park's

380
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master plan and not a project.

381
00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:49,040
So you would have to amend
it to help this individual.

382
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,580
And, and I mean,
so it's complex.

383
00:18:53,580 --> 00:18:58,180
And what area do you have a
little bit more background on.

384
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If you want to lay out just
the objective pieces and then

385
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,560
council can discuss it.

386
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,680
Yeah I'll take it
a little bit larger

387
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,760
than just this one property.

388
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:15,300
So in our land use
or in our 2040 plan,

389
00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:17,760
as well as in all of our
policies and how land use

390
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:23,990
works within or on the Canyon
rim, a lot of the property.

391
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:26,550
There's setbacks, the fencing
requirements, setbacks.

392
00:19:26,550 --> 00:19:29,810
At 10 feet, there's
structural setbacks at 25.

393
00:19:29,810 --> 00:19:33,850
And what that is to do
is to protect the Canyon

394
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and as a community asset.

395
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So no development can happen.

396
00:19:37,150 --> 00:19:38,650
So every time we
have a development

397
00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:42,850
that happens on the Canyon
rim with contractors

398
00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:46,730
or with developers, the request
is that piece of property that's

399
00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:48,850
from the Canyon rim
into the Canyon floor

400
00:19:48,850 --> 00:19:53,070
that they might own, the city
would pay for those things.

401
00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:57,810
But when we have previous
negotiations with them,

402
00:19:57,810 --> 00:19:59,490
it's protected already.

403
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:02,490
And so our negotiations
are that you

404
00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:06,610
can gift this piece of property,
because although I might think

405
00:20:06,610 --> 00:20:10,110
it's priceless when it
comes to a development,

406
00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:14,170
it's useless land
because it's protected

407
00:20:14,170 --> 00:20:16,750
underneath our land use things.

408
00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:22,290
So one of the developers
on the Canyon,

409
00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:24,450
requesting that the
piece of property,

410
00:20:24,450 --> 00:20:29,550
it's 0.82 acres that he would
then that would be protected

411
00:20:29,550 --> 00:20:34,190
open space that the
city would pay for that.

412
00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:37,810
And so the negotiations that
we've had so far between myself,

413
00:20:37,810 --> 00:20:41,510
James and Vicente
is no, it's not

414
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:42,970
part of our parks master plan.

415
00:20:42,970 --> 00:20:45,850
It's protected land
already as per policy.

416
00:20:45,850 --> 00:20:49,650
And so you're welcome to
donate this to the city.

417
00:20:49,650 --> 00:20:50,970
We'll take over liability.

418
00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:52,710
We'll take over maintenance.

419
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:54,730
And in exchange
for your donation,

420
00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:57,650
we will provide a
receipt of donations.

421
00:20:57,650 --> 00:21:00,870
So usually it's a
tax credit letter.

422
00:21:00,870 --> 00:21:02,250
So deduction deduction.

423
00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:06,310
Yeah I say credit but it's
a tax deduction letter

424
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:08,790
that they can use one time.

425
00:21:08,790 --> 00:21:14,450
And so then leading up to this
yeah it went to the mayor.

426
00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:17,670
And here we are with
the conversation.

427
00:21:17,670 --> 00:21:20,550
So this is actually yeah
this is the property.

428
00:21:20,550 --> 00:21:23,670
This is where the puppies
live, or Randy povey.

429
00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:25,670
And then here's the piece
that they're talking about.

430
00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:29,490
We're specifically talking
about 25 from the rim

431
00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:31,310
into the Canyon floor.

432
00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:33,890


433
00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:36,730
And how many homes do
you want to put there.

434
00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:39,250
And he's putting cottage
units or planning

435
00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:40,310
to put cottage units.

436
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:41,150
16 of them.

437
00:21:41,150 --> 00:21:42,190
16 Yeah.

438
00:21:42,190 --> 00:21:43,050
From here.

439
00:21:43,050 --> 00:21:43,630
That way.

440
00:21:43,630 --> 00:21:46,570


441
00:21:46,570 --> 00:21:48,850
It's another one of
those projects that.

442
00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:54,250
Oh, yeah, it is, I
would think of but.

443
00:21:54,250 --> 00:21:54,870
I don't care.

444
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:57,670
I mean, it's just that was the
thought that crossed my mind,

445
00:21:57,670 --> 00:22:03,290
but it's just more
of a fairness issue

446
00:22:03,290 --> 00:22:05,490
of what you do
with these property

447
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,190
that people own in the Canyon.

448
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:11,330
But you do get this request
probably three or four times

449
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:14,430
a year, about how
we can make it work.

450
00:22:14,430 --> 00:22:16,150
The most recent one
was, I want to say,

451
00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:20,980
the land use with high
desert, seven acres.

452
00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:25,740
Their annexation is what they
ended up gifting the city.

453
00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:28,480
So it wouldn't be a
one off, actually.

454
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,980
But if we change
the parks master

455
00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:34,580
plan and made this
arrangement for one person.

456
00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:36,220
All right, I'd just.

457
00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:39,660
When we drop it, it's
just embryonic thought

458
00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,980
in a conversation.

459
00:22:42,980 --> 00:22:47,060
Did I desert actually
did that to the city.

460
00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:48,000
It's part of the.

461
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,480
They're deeding it to the city.

462
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,267
Part of their land use.

463
00:22:50,267 --> 00:22:51,700
I thought they said
they were going to have

464
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:53,040
the HOA take care of it.

465
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,340
Yeah they haven't.

466
00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:56,020
I had preliminary
discussions with them

467
00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:57,860
and they said they entertained.

468
00:22:57,860 --> 00:22:59,840
They would look into
it, but I haven't heard.

469
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,200
Yeah, we suggested it.

470
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,800
Yeah OK.

471
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,500
Anything else on that.

472
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:12,380
No no.

473
00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:15,400
OK that'll make it better.

474
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,400
A few statements here.

475
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:24,560
So for three, just to let the
executive committee of Core 3

476
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,800
is going to recommend to
the full board of Core three

477
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,700
to stop any further discussions.

478
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,680


479
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,420
Having them come to the
city just seems weird to me,

480
00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:39,480
because they would have to
file a land use application

481
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,700
with the city and having
the council say, oh yeah,

482
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:43,740
we're all for it.

483
00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:47,240
We're just disqualify the
council from ever hearing it.

484
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,960
So I would like core
three take care of it

485
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,700
first and see what happens.

486
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:54,520


487
00:23:54,520 --> 00:24:00,080
OK anyone have any questions
on that Central Oregon

488
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520
irrigation district piping.

489
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,360
So we finally got the
environmental impact statement.

490
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:11,280
They're going to
remove from the aquifer

491
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,500
14 billion gallons
of water a year

492
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:17,060
basically right under
Redmond and just South

493
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:20,700
of Redmond, which will
have a significant impact

494
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:24,780
on our ability to get
water in the future.

495
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:28,020
These are going to meet
with John and Craig.

496
00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:34,420
Craig oral us next
week when you get back.

497
00:24:34,420 --> 00:24:41,300
So I mean to me it's kind of an
existential threat to the city.

498
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:45,060
So any questions on that.

499
00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:50,060
No I mean I in our experience
would not use that as that's why

500
00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:51,360
your water table is falling.

501
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,680
They would put it back on us as
overuse and be more stringent.

502
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,660
So yeah, I think it's
something you need to look at.

503
00:24:57,660 --> 00:25:01,220
And I guess my theory is we're
not against the piping per se.

504
00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:04,740
We're against the diversion of
that 14 billion gallons of water

505
00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:06,780
to Jefferson County.

506
00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:10,660
It's like taking our water
and shipping it elsewhere.

507
00:25:10,660 --> 00:25:12,990
And we asked them
about the piping

508
00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:15,550
when they like six
or seven years ago.

509
00:25:15,550 --> 00:25:17,750
And it was an idea
and they're like,

510
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:22,630
there'll be a little bit of
artificial what do you call it.

511
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:24,630
Removal of artificial.

512
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:26,690
Yeah, that goes away.

513
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:28,550
But it was very minimal.

514
00:25:28,550 --> 00:25:30,390
That's what I was going to
ask because the piping would

515
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:32,950
not be 14 billion gallons.

516
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:33,970
Yeah, yeah.

517
00:25:33,970 --> 00:25:36,630
And this is why the tribes have
talked informally about wanting

518
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:39,710
to get an updated study
on the impact of piping,

519
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:41,230
to be able to have a
more comprehensive water

520
00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:44,870
conversation, which
some folks aren't

521
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:47,270
that interested in finding out.

522
00:25:47,270 --> 00:25:50,630
But the innie, the
infiltration of water.

523
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:56,510
Yeah no, it's so one option
that Owen is looking at

524
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:59,670
and Josh and I have talked
about is an artificial recharge

525
00:25:59,670 --> 00:26:03,750
of taking that 14 billion
gallons, or at least most of it

526
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:06,590
maybe, and send some to
Jefferson County, but most of it

527
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:09,990
being recharged back into the
aquifer, which is kind of tricky

528
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:11,090
because you want
to make sure you

529
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:14,090
don't contaminate the aquifer.

530
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:16,750
So there's a lot going
on in that thing.

531
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:19,770
Artificially recharge
from the pipeline.

532
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:23,630
Curious pressurized pipeline.

533
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:26,290
Yeah It would have
to be taken out

534
00:26:26,290 --> 00:26:29,530
like before it goes
into pipe and sends

535
00:26:29,530 --> 00:26:32,050
somewhere for recharge.

536
00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:32,750
At least, I think.

537
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:34,490
But we'll talk to Owen about it.

538
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:35,830
Talk to Jason.

539
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:38,490


540
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:39,890
That's all.

541
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:42,110
OK Kyle, you want to talk
a little about the work.

542
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:44,350
Your department's
work plan for 2016?

543
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:45,470
Sure OK.

544
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:48,970


545
00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:49,630
Handing out.

546
00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:51,190
But we also have it
here on this screen.

547
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:53,970
This is just kind of a check
in with council last month

548
00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:55,270
at the planning commission.

549
00:26:55,270 --> 00:26:57,790
We presented this planning
division work plan.

550
00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:59,890
And the idea here this is
obviously not everything

551
00:26:59,890 --> 00:27:01,350
that planning division
is working on,

552
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:03,730
but these are the items
that will basically

553
00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:05,450
come before planning
commission and then

554
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:07,190
subsequently to city council.

555
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:09,990
So just really quickly this
looks probably a little

556
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:11,490
familiar to last year's plan.

557
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:14,950
But for our private
development applications,

558
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:16,790
these are the ones that
would go to a hearing.

559
00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:18,490
These are the ones that
we know of right now.

560
00:27:18,490 --> 00:27:20,870
And that's going to be the
Redmond East gateway, which

561
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:22,710
is about 200 acres
on the East side

562
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:25,230
of town, industrial
property that

563
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:26,870
will include a master
development plan

564
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:28,270
and zone change.

565
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:31,050
And then, of course, the
North point vista project,

566
00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:32,630
that will be a planned
unit development

567
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:34,710
that will go through
the hearings process

568
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:37,310
with planning commission
and city council.

569
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:41,710
And then obviously as the
year goes on more probably

570
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:45,310
end up seeing a couple more
private master development plans

571
00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:47,510
that will go through the
process with planning

572
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:49,950
commission and city council.

573
00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:53,630
The second category here is
area planning, public facility

574
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:55,210
plans and inventories.

575
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:58,650
So some of this was a
carryover from last year.

576
00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,630
At one point council
had an interest

577
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:06,350
in seeing this current
status of our existing area

578
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:07,940
plans, how much
they're built out.

579
00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:09,320
So we're talking
about the Northwest

580
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,860
area plan, the
highway 97 area plan,

581
00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:13,320
and the Southwest area plan.

582
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,480
This would be kind
of a progress report

583
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,440
back to both planning
commission and city council

584
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,820
to see how much more
lands within these areas.

585
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:25,400
We have to go until
they're fully developed.

586
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,420
The housing capacity analysis.

587
00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:29,200
This is a big
project that we will

588
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,180
probably start in early April.

589
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:33,280
This is a grant that
we got from DLCD

590
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,880
and we're working closely
with the consultant.

591
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Corey's leading this initiative.

592
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,840
But basically what this is it's
essentially going to be updating

593
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,360
our housing needs
analysis, looking

594
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,400
at the land needed to
accommodate the needed

595
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,360
housing for the next 20 years.

596
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,140
Once we get that
piece of it done,

597
00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:53,660
the subsequent piece will be
housing production strategy.

598
00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:55,160
And that's going to
be more like an action

599
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,600
item, what is the city
going to do to help

600
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,160
get houses built quicker.

601
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,620
So that's going to
be all together.

602
00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:07,580
That'll probably be an in
1818 to possibly 24 month

603
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:09,700
initiative, again
the first piece

604
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:13,540
of housing capacity analysis
that will be starting in April.

605
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:16,380
And obviously
council and planning

606
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,300
commission and the
community will be really

607
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,560
involved with that portion.

608
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,820
There'll be a lot of
outreach and a lot of data

609
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:26,580
sorting through and
whatnot, large lot

610
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:28,700
industrial infrastructure.

611
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,420
You have to follow through
with what the state

612
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:33,820
requires as far as density.

613
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:39,500
Or can we do realistic
stuff to be determined.

614
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,460
Chances are when we do the
housing production strategy

615
00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:45,180
again, that's when we're going
to be looking at action items

616
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:48,580
to get more housing
built. We may talk

617
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:50,720
about what we do with density.

618
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,480
I don't know yet, but that
could be a while beyond density.

619
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,640
What about housing types.

620
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,860
Because not every house
that we're producing

621
00:29:57,860 --> 00:30:00,600
is for a workforce
or affordable buyer.

622
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,580
So we have to have all types
of housing for all types

623
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:03,980
of people that live here.

624
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:05,800
Where does that fit into this.

625
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,320
I think that's going to be the
first part really is examining

626
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,560
what we have on the ground
now and how much land we have,

627
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,740
and that will give us
that good base knowledge.

628
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:18,540
We have pushback
with that knowledge.

629
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:20,400
Then if we have all
this workforce housing

630
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,820
that we've just committed to.

631
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,400
So now we need to
maybe build some

632
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,580
beyond middle housing homes that
are on 6,000 square foot lots.

633
00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:30,320
I mean, that seems
like a luxury today.

634
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,520
So we'll just go with 6,000.

635
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:40,520
I like that line of
questioning because right now,

636
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,960
if I go downtown to ask
people, they're going to be

637
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,760
more affordable than to do it.

638
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,160
And we do build
apartments all the time.

639
00:30:53,160 --> 00:31:01,650
Yeah do we track vacancy in
our apartments Yes we do.

640
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:04,310
You can get the data through
American Community Survey.

641
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:05,590
They track vacancy rates.

642
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:06,270
Perfect thank you.

643
00:31:06,270 --> 00:31:08,850
I think one thing
that I think council

644
00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:12,610
is as we go into this year
and work on these plans,

645
00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:17,090
where can council begin to more
exert kind of their policy ideas

646
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:20,650
into some of these as
they get developed.

647
00:31:20,650 --> 00:31:24,090
So yeah, Corey and I are
working with a consultant

648
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:26,650
right now on that scope of
work, and there definitely

649
00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:30,450
is areas where council are
going to need policy buy in

650
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:32,570
and whatnot.

651
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:37,190
And we're getting close
to reviewing that now.

652
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:40,370
But yes.

653
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:41,210
OK I'll ask you.

654
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:44,730
So in terms of these
plans whether it's

655
00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:47,890
the capacity the capacity
analysis right to build out

656
00:31:47,890 --> 00:31:50,350
and the time frames, I
think it'd be helpful,

657
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:52,590
I think for them to just
build another, oh, hey,

658
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:55,210
come May, June with a
couple of these plans

659
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:57,450
here, that's when
we can really dig in

660
00:31:57,450 --> 00:31:59,550
and try and cure
your preferences.

661
00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:02,310
Council and how we try
to align these plans

662
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:03,930
with your preferences
as we go forward.

663
00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:06,110
I think that's just
if you can give

664
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:08,350
an idea of that
trajectory to them

665
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:12,350
today that will help them
think about the upcoming year.

666
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:13,950
And when that happens,
I would certainly

667
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:17,210
invite the planning commission
members to participate in that.

668
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:21,630
Just so we're all on the
same page to the best extent,

669
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:23,010
greatest extent possible.

670
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:28,350


671
00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:30,050
Can you want to hit
a couple of those.

672
00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:33,910


673
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,110
So like the development
applications

674
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:40,830
when do we anticipate
those going to council.

675
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:46,390
Those will be mid-year
and probably at that point

676
00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:50,030
probably a little too soon.

677
00:32:50,030 --> 00:32:52,950
Probably a little too soon
before we weigh into more

678
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:55,590
of the policy discussion
as part of the housing

679
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:56,930
capacity analysis.

680
00:32:56,930 --> 00:33:03,970


681
00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:05,750
Is there any point on.

682
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:08,090
And I'm going to ask it
like the slow kid that I am.

683
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:11,250
There any point on there where
we get to have an opinion.

684
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:12,590
Because that's the
part where I mean,

685
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:13,723
because it does
kind of sound like

686
00:33:13,723 --> 00:33:17,010
it's just being
prescribed to us and then

687
00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:20,010
as directed by the state.

688
00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:21,190
And I guess that's my question.

689
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:23,950
And that's I think a lot
of that's going to be,

690
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:27,410
again, that housing production
strategy, where right now

691
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:29,850
the capacity analysis
is basically gathering

692
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:35,290
all the information, existing
data, looking at PSU population

693
00:33:35,290 --> 00:33:38,250
numbers and the projection
of the needed housing

694
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,250
within the last 20 years.

695
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:43,550
The second piece of that is
going to be very policy heavy,

696
00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:48,090
and that's going to involve
a lot of councils thoughts

697
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:52,130
and on how are we going to
meet the targeted needs.

698
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:55,470
But we're going to be
given the target to meet.

699
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:57,940
We just have to decide
the pain threshold.

700
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:58,800
Yeah, a lot of it.

701
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,420
Yeah what I'm hearing
is a very small

702
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:05,980
window, is what I'm hearing.

703
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:09,440
The first half is just data
collection and analysis.

704
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,699


705
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:14,080
Windows and prisons.

706
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,940
I'm actually what I
was thinking that is

707
00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:19,020
like when I. When my wife says,
do you want to go out to dinner.

708
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:20,593
I say, yes.

709
00:34:20,593 --> 00:34:21,760
And I say, where
do you want to go.

710
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,760
And she says, it doesn't
matter, but it does matter.

711
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,980
I can pick anywhere I want.

712
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:26,280
That's what she wanted to go.

713
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,560
So yeah.

714
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,820


715
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:36,280
Yeah the last three items
in that second category,

716
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,260
these are the large light
industrial infrastructure master

717
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:39,760
plan.

718
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,760
Jessica and her team have
been working on that.

719
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,239
And we're getting closer
to adoption phase, which.

720
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,420
So we're targeting spring
late spring for that.

721
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:51,600
The West Redmond area plan,
as I mentioned earlier,

722
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
that's going to be an
initiative that we pick back up.

723
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,600
We had to press pause on
that a couple years ago

724
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,640
because we were doing the
collection system master

725
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,440
planning, and we
had to have a better

726
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,240
idea of the infrastructure
needs in that part of town

727
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,020
before we proceeded with
the planning of that area.

728
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:11,640
So we'll look to pick that
up spring, summer and then

729
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,860
parks master plan, I think.

730
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:16,600
I don't have a timeline on
that, but I think we're still

731
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,680
looking to take that back
to the adoption process

732
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,040
sometime this year.

733
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,700
I think that's a
great discussion.

734
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:27,040
I think some of the things we've
looked at is we look at master

735
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,720
plan updates as
being ready to update

736
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,940
our SDCS in order to support
the projects that are in those.

737
00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:34,800
So I think there's a larger
conversation at work there

738
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,080
that would help fill
out that line item

739
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,200
and listen differently.

740
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,300
But I have no comment.

741
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,080


742
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,020
And then the last portion here,
development code amendments

743
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:56,700
annexation ordinance, which I'll
talk about here in a little bit.

744
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:01,060
Corey and I have been working on
getting a draft ready for that.

745
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,880
And then the second one, this
is, for lack of better words,

746
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160
we're calling the housing in
the neighborhood design package.

747
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,740
This is really that
comprehensive look

748
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:09,080
into the development code.

749
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,820
And when we think
about the design

750
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:14,540
and feel on how we
design our neighborhoods,

751
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:17,180
this would be the
examination of basically

752
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:18,960
all of our zoning standards.

753
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,980
And so that'll be a
comprehensive look with a lot

754
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,080
of stakeholder involvement.

755
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,720
And obviously APA will be
part of that discussion,

756
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,740
which is just beginning.

757
00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:32,360
And then related to that
defensible space standards.

758
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,820
This is around wildfire.

759
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:36,440
This is where if you
think about firewise,

760
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,280
communities, and vegetation.

761
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,660
And that sort of
thing, sisters has

762
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:42,100
adopted a defensible
space standards

763
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,880
in their development code.

764
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,840
And that's becoming
much more common.

765
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,280
And we're working closely
with Tom Mooney and the fire.

766
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,370
So if we adopt
something like that.

767
00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:53,670
Does it become Citywide,
or can we actually

768
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:59,030
put it in areas that are more
prone to dry Canyon developments

769
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:59,930
and things like that.

770
00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:01,490
Or it's one and done.

771
00:37:01,490 --> 00:37:03,270
It would be the entire city.

772
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:04,610
That just helps my brain.

773
00:37:04,610 --> 00:37:07,310
That's all good.

774
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:10,590
And then the last one, this
is updating the city County

775
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:11,930
joint management agreement.

776
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:14,630
This is a big initiative.

777
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:15,930
It's been on the table.

778
00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:17,870
This would really be
working very closely

779
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:20,550
with the County board
of County Commissioners

780
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:21,730
and their planning staff.

781
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:24,510
And really, this is a
joint management agreement

782
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:28,030
on how we administer
the land use regulations

783
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:30,270
in our urban growth
boundary, lands

784
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:32,450
that have yet to be brought
into the city limits.

785
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:34,190
So that's a lot of
that's procedure

786
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:36,890
and that sort of thing.

787
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:39,550
So that December time
frame would be a good place

788
00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:43,650
to placeholder to 1,200 acres.

789
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:47,450
Yeah I agree because we're
having that conversation.

790
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:50,210


791
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:51,930
One quick thing
for clarification

792
00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:55,990
to last week or two weeks.

793
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:59,290
Couple of weeks ago, excuse
me, when we had the folks that

794
00:37:59,290 --> 00:38:02,930
came in and talk about
updating our building code

795
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:07,290
to include 327 of the
building code, which

796
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:09,550
is the fire firewise hardening.

797
00:38:09,550 --> 00:38:14,210
I just wanted to make it kind of
clear to what is here as far as

798
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:16,990
dispensable, defensible space.

799
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:20,930
I can say that is
more of a land use

800
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:25,610
where the other one is
building is a building code.

801
00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:27,930
We have 327 in there anywhere.

802
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:30,570
So 327 and so that's where.

803
00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:33,330
So to answer that a little bit.

804
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:36,690
So I've been working
with Alex on 327

805
00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:40,410
right now the state
is going to be

806
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:42,630
updating the Residential Code.

807
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:46,210
That will be something we
don't have a choice on to adopt

808
00:38:46,210 --> 00:38:49,870
that will be
adopted, that will be

809
00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:52,830
done by the state on October 1.

810
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,490
What Alex and I
were talking about,

811
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:59,770
typically when we do
discretionary code adoptions,

812
00:38:59,770 --> 00:39:05,450
we usually do a six month
notification to say here,

813
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:09,590
council will adopt this
with a six month lead,

814
00:39:09,590 --> 00:39:12,750
to where it's voluntary
before it comes home.

815
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:16,430
And that gives us an opportunity
for the building department

816
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:19,990
to set up training,
education over that course

817
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:24,550
of period of time to get the
builders, vendors, all of that.

818
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:27,030
With that said, in
order we thought

819
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:29,750
it would be good that when
the residential building

820
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:33,430
code excuse me, when the.

821
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:36,590
Yeah, the residential
building code on October one

822
00:39:36,590 --> 00:39:42,190
is if we as council
if you all adopt 327

823
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:48,560
and we bring that to you in
May with some public outreach

824
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920
between now and then with
the builders and the vendors

825
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,040
and so forth, then that we
would be able to have the summer

826
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,380
to educate, and then it would
go into actual at the same time,

827
00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:00,560
the residential.

828
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,560
So with our production builders
and I actually sound like a fan

829
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,840
right now, but I think to
be a conscientious partner,

830
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,760
they often store and stock lots
of supplies, so that six month

831
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,760
window may not be enough
time for them to work

832
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,240
through what they
do have on hand,

833
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,000
and may put them in a
situation of having things

834
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,120
that they have to dispose
of that are not usable.

835
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040
I'd like to try to figure
out a way not to do that,

836
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,480
because that becomes
non cost effective later

837
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,320
for purchasers in the area.

838
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,160
And I think through our
outreach starting next month,

839
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,960
which is a couple days from
now as we start in March, as we

840
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,540
with coba and all of
the different folks

841
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:45,600
start doing that outreach.

842
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520
We can identify what is that.

843
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,700
What is that appropriate leg.

844
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,900
And, and again, we've
really looked at this.

845
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:59,820
Alex and I have gone
through that code really

846
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:08,020
exterior siding is the primary
thing that will impact builders,

847
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:13,020
especially what I would call the
lower end production builders.

848
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:22,580
But the other night
they said 2% to 3% $400.

849
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:23,940
Would you be able to.

850
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,700
And you said you looked
at and said would you

851
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,460
be able to come back
with us and let us

852
00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:31,320
know what it's going to cost.

853
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,880
Yeah and I can
certainly do that.

854
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,980
I will just tell you, not to get
into too much detail is you will

855
00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:42,720
hear 15% to 20% from a builder.

856
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,940
That would be what the cost is
for just one particular element.

857
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:51,000
An example of deciding to go
from what typically they're

858
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:57,340
using now is about a
$40 piece of siding,

859
00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:00,080
and it goes up to a
$50 piece of siding.

860
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080
That won't be the cost
for the whole house.

861
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,460
That's just a cost for
one building element.

862
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,500
And so they're focusing on the
element, which is good to know.

863
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,000
It would just be
interesting to see the cost

864
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,700
analysis for an entire unit.

865
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,960
I do and I don't want to hurt
the projection builders that

866
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
are here and have their
annexations approved

867
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,700
and their buildings
coming out of the ground,

868
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:20,720
and all of a sudden now
we're pulling the rug out

869
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,200
from underneath
them and the cost

870
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,160
and prices are going to go up.

871
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,540
So, like I said, intuitive
to what I normally would say.

872
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:32,360
I would like to give
them some notice.

873
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,460
I know we're acting
strange today.

874
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:37,120
I just don't know what to say.

875
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,180
Something's in the air.

876
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:40,730


877
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:41,650
Anything else.

878
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:42,350
That's it.

879
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:43,630
It's Juniper pollen.

880
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:44,970
It's in the air.

881
00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:48,930
It's from my face.

882
00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:50,250
Do you want to go
over the budget.

883
00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:52,050
Was there a budget or.

884
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:53,530
Well I'll start.

885
00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:56,570
I got chief and I got
Steve, who are going to talk

886
00:42:56,570 --> 00:42:57,790
about some individual items.

887
00:42:57,790 --> 00:43:03,490
So on March 10, we'll
bring a pretty big budget

888
00:43:03,490 --> 00:43:06,370
adjustment request to council.

889
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:10,170
Some of the items that I
can just briefly talk about

890
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:13,730
is the wetlands complex.

891
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:18,870
With this good weather, we are
really doing well out there,

892
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:22,250
but we need to bring about
7 million of that project

893
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:25,550
into the budget that we had
planned for in next year.

894
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:30,890
So yeah, so we have a
loan obviously, that we

895
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:33,410
can draw on for that project.

896
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:36,830
The other one, and we had
this in our five year CIP,

897
00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:39,710
a couple weeks ago
with the council.

898
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:44,110
The East side arterial council's
been approving those GMPs.

899
00:43:44,110 --> 00:43:47,550
I think a year ago
we were at 38 million

900
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:50,030
and now we're showing
at 42 million.

901
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:51,690
That's all in that CIP.

902
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:56,150
But we need to adjust the
budget a little bit for that.

903
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:59,150
Yeah so you don't get paid
for a million this year.

904
00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:59,690
All right.

905
00:43:59,690 --> 00:44:02,710
So is that because
of the addition

906
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:05,550
of the airport way in 19.

907
00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:06,670
Yeah, there's.

908
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:08,250
Well, that one was assumed.

909
00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:12,270
I think it's just the
complexity of the project.

910
00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:15,550
We had to buy some
land, those sorts

911
00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:18,810
of things that were as
we get into these GMPs,

912
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:21,350
we're truing it up.

913
00:44:21,350 --> 00:44:23,490
The top tracer will have
to adjust the budget.

914
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:25,110
Council's already approved that.

915
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:27,430
And then I think,
Steve, we're going

916
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:29,410
to go to you on the one item.

917
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:32,550
So I'll tee it up
with and I have

918
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:34,910
at the end of these two
presentations we can

919
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:36,460
talk about how much is left.

920
00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:39,720
But basically, we've
had that 4.4 million

921
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:43,160
from the public safety savings.

922
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,240
Now there is 2.4 million left.

923
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,860
If we get the North point
utilities back with land sales,

924
00:44:51,860 --> 00:44:55,440
we'll have 3.3 million left.

925
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,740
So we expect that most likely
in the next three years,

926
00:44:58,740 --> 00:45:01,240
probably some next year.

927
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:04,240
But we've got two
items to talk about.

928
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:09,260
The first one is the desert
rise in 17th Street cleanup.

929
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:13,760
So I'm going to
give it to Steve OK.

930
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,780
Devin and I will tag team
a little bit on this,

931
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:20,240
but obviously as we're
getting close to well,

932
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:24,120
the managed camp is generally
done with construction

933
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,220
pending a few punch list items.

934
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:31,840
And as I think it's been
presented last week,

935
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,900
we're looking I
think it's Friday,

936
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,300
Thursday or Friday this week.

937
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:42,540
The RFP comes in regarding
operators, as been mentioned

938
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:45,340
in the conversations,
is the County has

939
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:50,260
already what I would
call a soft closure

940
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:51,800
on some of the DSL property.

941
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,000
When I say closure,
notifying folks,

942
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,760
not saying you must
be out yet, but say,

943
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,100
hey, don't settle
in too much, don't

944
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,220
set up new encampments
here because we're

945
00:46:02,220 --> 00:46:03,040
going to be moving.

946
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,680
You don't want to move twice.

947
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,340
And they've already
started helping assisting

948
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:11,300
the relocation of that.

949
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:16,620
With that in mind, we
are also are very aware

950
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:21,000
of the amount over the
course of the last 18 months,

951
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,500
the amount of new residents
on the desert rise

952
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,480
property, it's sort of exploded.

953
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,380
I believe we have
about 40 encampments

954
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:34,760
right now when I
first started here,

955
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,160
we had about 10 encampments.

956
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,380
That's only been a year.

957
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:40,240
So it's really.

958
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,340
How many of these
are creeping from.

959
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:44,680
Bend is bend is closed down.

960
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,240
I know that there's been a few.

961
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,600
Obviously, Natalie is one who
kind of has been able to track

962
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,560
a little bit, and Devin might be
able to speak what his team has

963
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,800
seen, but there has been a few
that we know of and some of them

964
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,060
I couldn't tell you
where they came from.

965
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:08,200
But with all that said, with
the managed camp coming online,

966
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,360
and really that's the Nexus for
us to start moving folks off

967
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,760
and some other instances that
I'll let the chief talk to you

968
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,320
about is some of the concerns
that PD has with why we need

969
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,000
to make this kind of a sooner
than later aspect of clearing

970
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,460
out desert rise in 17th Street.

971
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:31,150
So I'm going to kick
it to you, Devin,

972
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:33,810
if that's appropriate
time just for my knowledge

973
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:37,570
or anybody is does it rise.

974
00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:40,650
Yes I would call the office.

975
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:42,550
Thank you.

976
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:43,850
I'm just trying to
figure out direction

977
00:47:43,850 --> 00:47:46,970
of where does it rises.

978
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:49,330
South of midline.

979
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:52,850
So here's midline right there.

980
00:47:52,850 --> 00:47:57,170
And this is desert rise.

981
00:47:57,170 --> 00:48:00,370
This 40 acres right here.

982
00:48:00,370 --> 00:48:03,210
Yeah right there.

983
00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:06,470
Yeah so yeah.

984
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:08,030
So that area in the 17th Street.

985
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:11,830
So just to build on
what Steve Shane said,

986
00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:14,810
we're wanting to learn to take
a more proactive approach.

987
00:48:14,810 --> 00:48:21,830
As we talked about with
County, completing one job.

988
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:23,870
Sorry this is a lot.

989
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:27,390


990
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:30,070
OK, so it's two pages.

991
00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:37,310
Oh, no, I. Can't
pass out paper today.

992
00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:38,990
He's missing his heart.

993
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:41,750
Does anyone else need anything.

994
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:43,070
I should take off.

995
00:48:43,070 --> 00:48:45,550
Keep going.

996
00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:48,110
So anyways, I know we're
pressed for time, but.

997
00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:50,390
So, yeah, we're going to take
a proactive approach that you

998
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:52,150
already kind of
got the background

999
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:53,870
with what County started doing.

1000
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:58,030
And so obviously we've
had it's not a secret.

1001
00:48:58,030 --> 00:49:01,990
We've had multiple
shootings out there.

1002
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:05,670
And we're concerned again with
this increase of population

1003
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:08,370
moving back in towards the city.

1004
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:10,170
And with the Manage
camp coming online,

1005
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:12,910
we want to take a proactive
approach and get 17th

1006
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:18,630
Street and the area
all cleared out

1007
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:22,630
and start working on that now.

1008
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:26,390
And so timeline would be we
get out there and in March.

1009
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:28,110
Kind of let them
know what's going on.

1010
00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:30,370
Communicate with
service providers.

1011
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:32,670
Start working on that outreach
for the first 30 days,

1012
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:34,750
pretty much all of March,
just letting them hey,

1013
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:36,050
this is coming.

1014
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:39,970
You got to worry
about the camp or they

1015
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:44,410
but just reinforcing all the
different resources we have

1016
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:47,690
between Bethlehem and
shepherd's house, safe parking,

1017
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:51,410
manage camp, Oasis
village, things like that.

1018
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:54,250
And then come in April.

1019
00:49:54,250 --> 00:49:57,210
Then in April, we'll
go ahead and start

1020
00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:02,650
working with in-person,
giving them actual handouts,

1021
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:04,650
in-person contact.

1022
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:06,610
Natalie will be back
to work in April

1023
00:50:06,610 --> 00:50:09,170
so she can start
making contacts as well

1024
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:13,170
and trying to again
let people hey,

1025
00:50:13,170 --> 00:50:15,330
we're going to start moving you.

1026
00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:17,310
We want everybody out
of here by June 1.

1027
00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:20,810
June 1 is when it's going to
all be closed and cleaned.

1028
00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:23,250
And we want to we'll be
trying to do obviously

1029
00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:25,220
some cleaning ahead of time.

1030
00:50:25,220 --> 00:50:27,940
Like, we'll get
dumpsters out there.

1031
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:30,460
If not only work with people,
if there's a few stragglers

1032
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:31,120
left behind.

1033
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,220
We're not going to offer this
up front, cause we don't want,

1034
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:35,860
we've been taking
advantage of this before.

1035
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:38,200
But as we get closer,
once we get into May,

1036
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,220
we start posting final notices.

1037
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:42,440
There's a handful of people
out there that are like, look,

1038
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,160
I'm trying to go.

1039
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,320
I just I can't go.

1040
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Like, I need a car
battery or I need a tow,

1041
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,540
or I need a tire or something
like that, or I need some gas.

1042
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:54,420
At that point, cost
of doing business

1043
00:50:54,420 --> 00:50:56,640
will take care of that to
help that person get off.

1044
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,220
We're not going to
offer that because we've

1045
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:01,860
been burned with that before.

1046
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:06,120
Ideally, if we go through the
notices we'll have I said,

1047
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,180
we'll put may 1 be the final
notice, get people moving.

1048
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:11,940
Hopefully we'll
have another notice

1049
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:15,420
on May 15th with
being the June 1 being

1050
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:16,920
where everyone has to be out.

1051
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,160
And then we'll
follow that back up.

1052
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,420
And obviously on June one
people are still haven't left

1053
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:24,560
and then we can start working
on potential abatement

1054
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,620
warrants on criminal trespass,
arrests, things like that.

1055
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:29,580
Obviously last resort.

1056
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:30,620
We're looking for compliance.

1057
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:33,000
I think we've shown a good
history over the last few years

1058
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,840
when we've had to clear our
areas of getting good compliance

1059
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,080
and not having to resort to
that type of enforcement.

1060
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,820
But ideally, that's
what we want to do.

1061
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:45,440
We're trying to get this done
now so we don't continue to see.

1062
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,220
We understand it's kind
of like whack-a-mole.

1063
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:49,100
You push a balloon and
it goes to one side.

1064
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:52,560
But if we don't start to do
this joint effort, not really

1065
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,500
joint effort, but do it at the
same time as the County is,

1066
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,600
I think we're going to
be behind the eight ball,

1067
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,020
and then we're going
to move into summer,

1068
00:51:59,020 --> 00:52:00,520
and then we're going to
be worried about fire

1069
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,620
danger and things like that.

1070
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:04,020
So that's the plan.

1071
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,800
Yeah so so what we're
here today to ask you

1072
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,020
one is and this is why
this is on the budget,

1073
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:11,140
is we're going to jump
right in here to the budget.

1074
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:13,920
But it's also
obviously making sure

1075
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,720
you guys are comfortable
with the plan

1076
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:20,980
that we just kind of laid out
about how we're going to start

1077
00:52:20,980 --> 00:52:22,500
again, very similar
to how we've done it

1078
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:26,320
in the past with outreach
through our service providers,

1079
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,840
with a little bit of a softer
approach at the very beginning,

1080
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,900
making sure we
are respectful, we

1081
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:35,700
are humane in the fact of giving
opportunities to relocate.

1082
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:38,700
And then it becomes a much
more stern enforcement

1083
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:43,060
with the goal to have
folks off by one of June

1084
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:45,380
in order to do that.

1085
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:49,800
As we learn from several of
these endeavors in the past,

1086
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,060
it doesn't come without cost.

1087
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:55,000
There's a cleanup cost,
there's rehabilitation costs.

1088
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:01,620
And just the practical side
of it, as Jason put on,

1089
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:03,560
we are estimating that cost.

1090
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,080
And we feel this is a
very conservative number.

1091
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,740
I'd like to say we will be
able to come below this number.

1092
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:13,800
But what we're looking
at about $150,000,

1093
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,060
and that is a combination of
the outreach in the beginning,

1094
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:22,790
getting signage up, getting
notification and that outreach,

1095
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:25,750
obviously getting similar
to what we did on the core

1096
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:27,210
three property with the County.

1097
00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:29,910
What we did on
Sixth and Umatilla,

1098
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:33,910
setting up the dumpsters out
there to help us get people

1099
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:37,070
to put stuff in the dumpsters
to get stuff cleared up,

1100
00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:42,390
knowing that we will have a
significant impact of solutions

1101
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:44,910
and towing, that we
will have to have

1102
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:47,310
abandoned stuff and the
stuff that's left behind

1103
00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:49,510
and that is costly.

1104
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:52,150
And then the other thing that
you will also see on there

1105
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:54,130
is then we have the opportunity.

1106
00:53:54,130 --> 00:53:56,590
How do we keep people
from coming back on

1107
00:53:56,590 --> 00:53:59,137
and continually chasing them.

1108
00:53:59,137 --> 00:54:00,470
And it's the opportunity
to actually get

1109
00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:03,670
that desert rise
property in a condition

1110
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:06,330
and in a marketable condition.

1111
00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:08,790
And that includes things of
actually getting a sign up

1112
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:12,750
there that talks about
this property is available

1113
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:17,130
and working with Steve
and others to help really

1114
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:19,530
start marketing that
in line with what's

1115
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:23,650
happening with the DSL property
immediately to the Middle East.

1116
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:26,890
And creating some demarcations
out there to make it's

1117
00:54:26,890 --> 00:54:27,390
different.

1118
00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:29,830
It's not just out in the dirt.

1119
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:33,650
It's actually part of that
industrial zone out there.

1120
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:35,750
So there is a lot bit of cost.

1121
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:38,810
The only thing else I would say
is you'll see a cost of 17th

1122
00:54:38,810 --> 00:54:42,130
Street striping we
will be doing with

1123
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:46,690
our Northpointe contractor, 17th
Street from maple to Kingwood.

1124
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:51,210
That is already planned to
be striped with bike lanes

1125
00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:52,850
on both sides of the road.

1126
00:54:52,850 --> 00:54:55,810
Bike striped street
with bike lanes

1127
00:54:55,810 --> 00:54:59,210
does not accommodate parking,
and it would make sense

1128
00:54:59,210 --> 00:55:02,010
because it's the same basically
connection of that road all

1129
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:04,850
the way to I believe
it's Greenwood where

1130
00:55:04,850 --> 00:55:10,210
dead ends to the
South, 17 dead ends

1131
00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:12,310
into this desert rice property.

1132
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:15,350
We would continue that
striping and that no parking

1133
00:55:15,350 --> 00:55:17,130
along that section as well.

1134
00:55:17,130 --> 00:55:19,410
And we would make that as
part of the contractors.

1135
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:21,350
We'd add that onto
the contractor

1136
00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:27,370
so it could be done most
efficiently on that.

1137
00:55:27,370 --> 00:55:32,110
So that gets to that gets
to where Jason started

1138
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:33,370
off the money side of it.

1139
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:36,710
We just wanted to
obviously let you

1140
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:38,990
guys know how we're
going to do is make sure

1141
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:42,150
that this approach is
reasonable and meet

1142
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:43,650
your guys' expectations.

1143
00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:45,010
And with that,
I'll stop talking.

1144
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:45,970
Question yes.

1145
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:48,230
Where are you moving to.

1146
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:50,910
Well, what you'll
see on that first map

1147
00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:52,570
where it says green
zone, that is,

1148
00:55:52,570 --> 00:55:57,430
the area in which the County has
is basically relocating people.

1149
00:55:57,430 --> 00:56:02,030
We won't actively say
go here, we'll just say

1150
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:04,750
you can't go in the red zone.

1151
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:09,150
They will most likely be
moving into that green zone.

1152
00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:10,610
That would be my.

1153
00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:14,200


1154
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,360
That's right.

1155
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,440
Well yeah, we're telling
them the red zone is we're

1156
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,360
telling you can't go there.

1157
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,780
If we tell someone go here,
then we're responsible.

1158
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:27,760
If something happens to
them, if they go there.

1159
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,480
But what we can do is say
can't go to these other places,

1160
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,280
and then we're not
responsible if something

1161
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,200
happens to them someplace else.

1162
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,600
Can't from.

1163
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,160
So there's.

1164
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,940
Yeah we can prevent it with it.

1165
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:49,580
Yeah we can prevent
it within reason.

1166
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:53,300
I mean we can't if somebody just
lays down for it takes a nap.

1167
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:56,220
We can't say you need to
get out of here, but we can.

1168
00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:58,700
So you can't live here, right.

1169
00:56:58,700 --> 00:56:59,800
It's been.

1170
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,760
And I'm just using
him as an example

1171
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,980
because I've seen him or her.

1172
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:07,540
I haven't slowed down, but
there for several days.

1173
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:10,900
And so I can remove
those people.

1174
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:12,540
Yeah so.

1175
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:13,520
And they do.

1176
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,740
I know that our officers are
out there moving people along

1177
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:18,753
that maybe they just
haven't encountered,

1178
00:57:18,753 --> 00:57:20,120
or maybe they're not
there when they are.

1179
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,640
I wasn't concerned
about that one.

1180
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,480
I was just thinking in general.

1181
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,180
In general.

1182
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:26,500
Yeah so the manager.

1183
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,980
Yes, sir.

1184
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:31,640
There is the way
that I understand it.

1185
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,860
And maybe you have more
up to date information,

1186
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:37,720
but the last information
I had as of Thursday,

1187
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,940
there was one submission
and several no

1188
00:57:39,940 --> 00:57:42,320
thank yous for the RFP.

1189
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,260


1190
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:48,860
What happens to this
budget and this plan

1191
00:57:48,860 --> 00:57:52,820
if there isn't a qualified
entity to run the management.

1192
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:56,400
Yeah and so the conversation
to be determined,

1193
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,340
however the
conversation is there.

1194
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:02,660
The County is aware
that we're not

1195
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:05,020
going to build this
managed camp and not

1196
00:58:05,020 --> 00:58:06,560
open up this managed camp.

1197
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,400
It may be an interim solution.

1198
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,340
Such as a security
and a manager.

1199
00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:16,700
Not necessarily a lot
of case management.

1200
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:21,400
A lot of that stuff in
order to stand it up.

1201
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,060
As we continue to work on some
of that case management program,

1202
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:28,520
I actually just had a
conversation with Natalie

1203
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:35,000
today off the clock
to as far as what

1204
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,280
some of the
practicalities she sees,

1205
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,100
it was actually quite
encouraging about how she feels.

1206
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:44,520
It could be done pretty.

1207
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,560
It doesn't have to be
overly complicated.

1208
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,540
So there is some options.

1209
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:53,960
If we don't we'll look like
something no matter what OK.

1210
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,160
And does that meet the criteria
to say you don't have to go home

1211
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,960
but you can't stay here.

1212
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,400
Yes it's not like the
old Martin v Boise days

1213
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,400
where it was one for one.

1214
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,880
It's now you have to be
reasonable in your approach.

1215
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:11,610
Yeah OK.

1216
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:14,810
Any other questions
on budget adjustments.

1217
00:59:14,810 --> 00:59:16,350
Nope we got one more.

1218
00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:16,910
One more.

1219
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:19,210
Oh, we got more.

1220
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:19,830
Speed up.

1221
00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:23,890
Jason it's for speed up.

1222
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:28,250
Yeah so here I come back
to all of you again.

1223
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:29,670
We're going through a five year.

1224
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:31,210
We're going through next
year budget forecast

1225
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:33,610
and 5 year budget forecast.

1226
00:59:33,610 --> 00:59:34,730
We started looking
at things that

1227
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:36,210
had been on the five
year that were coming

1228
00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:37,970
up this year or next year.

1229
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:41,490
And we're trying to figure out,
looking at the budget, what

1230
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:47,450
might be a good way of trying to
get some of these items acquired

1231
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:49,210
before the next year
or 2, or maybe it's

1232
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:52,050
going to end up helping
us be able to reallocate

1233
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:54,390
those other dollars for
something different.

1234
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:56,630
And so while we were
going through this,

1235
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:59,930
we had the idea of
budget adjustment

1236
00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:03,190
using some of those savings
to offset some of these costs.

1237
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:05,690
So to go through the
list evidence van.

1238
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:08,070
We put that on about
four years ago.

1239
01:00:08,070 --> 01:00:10,410
Currently, when we do
large search warrants,

1240
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:12,330
our detectives are
working a major crime.

1241
01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:13,810
We're usually
taking things back.

1242
01:00:13,810 --> 01:00:16,550
Either we'd have to
use one or two CSOs

1243
01:00:16,550 --> 01:00:19,230
and load up a couple
of our CISO trucks.

1244
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,830
We have to go grab
our training utility

1245
01:00:22,830 --> 01:00:24,850
trailer, which has all
our training gear in it,

1246
01:00:24,850 --> 01:00:26,870
and then try to put
evidence in that.

1247
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:30,150
And we have the detectives just
loading up their detective cars

1248
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:31,310
with stuff.

1249
01:00:31,310 --> 01:00:32,850
So we've talked about
this for a while.

1250
01:00:32,850 --> 01:00:35,850
We just honestly haven't
really had it in the budget.

1251
01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:40,630
We've had it for the
2026 27 fiscal year.

1252
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:43,330
But we knew, again, looking
at that next year's budget,

1253
01:00:43,330 --> 01:00:46,350
we're probably going to have
to get pushed out another year.

1254
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:48,350
And so we wanted to bring
that forward and see

1255
01:00:48,350 --> 01:00:51,190
if we could get that
done, because obviously

1256
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:54,910
we're having more major cases.

1257
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:57,050
We're seeing more of a
need for the evidence.

1258
01:00:57,050 --> 01:01:02,230
And then with the evidence, now
that we can't take our evidence

1259
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:05,530
over to Salem anymore,
the evidence that

1260
01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:07,050
needs to be destroyed.

1261
01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:07,910
There's a potential.

1262
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:10,930
They're going to have to start
making trips up to Spokane

1263
01:01:10,930 --> 01:01:12,530
to get that destroyed.

1264
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:15,730
And so I want them to have a
vehicle that is obviously going

1265
01:01:15,730 --> 01:01:18,610
to be able to make that trip,
as well as take all the evidence

1266
01:01:18,610 --> 01:01:21,390
they need all in one fell swoop.

1267
01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:22,990
So we've got the
evidence van on there.

1268
01:01:22,990 --> 01:01:25,850
That's the ask for that.

1269
01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:28,590
So radio I know we just talked
about doing portable radios,

1270
01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:31,890
and we're working on
trying to finalize

1271
01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:34,190
if we're going to go with
Harris or Motorola on those.

1272
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:36,510
We're waiting to see how
that goes for our radios,

1273
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:37,810
portable radios.

1274
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:39,730
These are in-car radios.

1275
01:01:39,730 --> 01:01:43,150
Some of our in-car radios are
older, need to be replaced.

1276
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:45,130
And then that also
that's 19 of them

1277
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:48,330
and then five new vehicles
we anticipate getting

1278
01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:50,490
online over the next two years.

1279
01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:53,370
So this is essentially
what we projected

1280
01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:57,390
for fiscal year 2627 and 2728.

1281
01:01:57,390 --> 01:01:59,370
Kind put that together.

1282
01:01:59,370 --> 01:02:02,100
And that should you'll see on
the next line item as well.

1283
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,620
Once we get our new
portable radios purchased.

1284
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:05,880
That wasn't for every.

1285
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,540
That wasn't enough
to get every person

1286
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:08,800
in the Department a radio.

1287
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,820
It was to get every police
officer and Detective radio.

1288
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:15,320
But this would allow us
to get all of our staff,

1289
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,420
including our
non-sworn, our CSOs.

1290
01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:21,980
And then also have some
spares for when ones go down

1291
01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:25,060
or as we continue to hopefully
grow and hire people.

1292
01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:28,480
So that next slide line item
for additional portable radios.

1293
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,780
And like I said,
those are both trying

1294
01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:36,140
to look at next fiscal year
2627 and 2728 forecasts.

1295
01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:37,920
When it comes to drones.

1296
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,340
Drones have gone up a lot
because the one the main reason

1297
01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:43,540
was we used to be
able to get them

1298
01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:45,660
from different
makers out of China,

1299
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:47,000
and we can't do that anymore.

1300
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,900
So now the American Made
drones cost a lot more money.

1301
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:55,020
And so looking at what the
drone program, what they need

1302
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,900
to replace their older
drones and to get drones

1303
01:02:57,900 --> 01:02:59,320
that are going to be able to.

1304
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,887
You, I guess a
variety like we have.

1305
01:03:03,887 --> 01:03:05,220
We'll have a couple
of different drones.

1306
01:03:05,220 --> 01:03:07,860
One, we have our larger
drones and we can fly up.

1307
01:03:07,860 --> 01:03:10,260
They have a larger battery life.

1308
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:11,600
They can get up
and they can stay

1309
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,720
up in flight for up to 30
minutes at a time, a lot more

1310
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,593
than the 10 to 15 that
our current ones can do.

1311
01:03:16,593 --> 01:03:17,760
If we're doing
that, then we're not

1312
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,560
having to bring
them back and land

1313
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,300
and replace batteries
as much when we're on,

1314
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:22,940
like a critical incident.

1315
01:03:22,940 --> 01:03:27,900
So just improves that officer
safety for working a large,

1316
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:29,600
either a large crime
scene or maybe we have

1317
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,320
a large motor vehicle crash.

1318
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,320
We always can fly
the drones up and try

1319
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,160
to get a nice overview
and a good outline

1320
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,600
for our crime scene mapping.

1321
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,080
And then this also includes
smaller drones where we can

1322
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,220
get them to fly inside houses.

1323
01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:48,260
So when we have somebody who's
barricaded and won't come out,

1324
01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:49,720
we can get these drones
that can fly inside

1325
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,360
again, longer battery life.

1326
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,640
Also, they've got the
different capabilities

1327
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:59,260
of infrared heat sink, heat
sensors and things like that.

1328
01:03:59,260 --> 01:04:04,700
So again, something that was on
this year's budget that we knew.

1329
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:07,080
Yeah but we're hoping we could
get with this budget adjustment.

1330
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,600
So that's the ask on the
drones for night vision.

1331
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:12,760
That's another safety item.

1332
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,940
So for our SWAT members on the
team, most of the SWAT team

1333
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:20,380
now has the night vision
that it's on your helmet.

1334
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:21,640
It comes down.

1335
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,200
It's a binocular
not a monocular.

1336
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,200
So you have better vision,
better field of view.

1337
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,860
And when you're not
in use can put it up.

1338
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:31,340
We haven't been able to buy that
for our redmoon cert members

1339
01:04:31,340 --> 01:04:32,427
just because of the cost.

1340
01:04:32,427 --> 01:04:34,060
And it's been something
we've kind of been trying

1341
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:36,460
to push out and push out.

1342
01:04:36,460 --> 01:04:39,380
And maybe we're going to start
trying to buy a couple this year

1343
01:04:39,380 --> 01:04:41,100
and a couple next year.

1344
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,040
But we thought since
we have these funds,

1345
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,940
we would ask if it'd be
possible to come in and get

1346
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:51,820
all the members on the team.

1347
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:52,880
The new night vision.

1348
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,400
So again, it mounts
on their helmet.

1349
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,803
It's just it's
better because right

1350
01:04:55,803 --> 01:04:57,670
now what they have is a
monocular that they have to take

1351
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:59,130
out, turn on and then hold it.

1352
01:04:59,130 --> 01:05:01,510
So obviously, if you're
holding one here,

1353
01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:03,530
that's not great when you
need to have your hands on,

1354
01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:07,870
possibly like a weapon or
a different type of tool.

1355
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:10,670
So that's the night
vision we're looking at.

1356
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:13,790
The dose tower is that's
just a radio tower

1357
01:05:13,790 --> 01:05:15,730
we would put on top of the PD.

1358
01:05:15,730 --> 01:05:20,090
That would increase our radio
signal and our dispatch signal.

1359
01:05:20,090 --> 01:05:24,790
Currently there's some
dead zones around the PD

1360
01:05:24,790 --> 01:05:26,650
that we're hoping to remedy
with these new radios.

1361
01:05:26,650 --> 01:05:32,730
But the dispatch the dispatch
techs recommend a dose tower.

1362
01:05:32,730 --> 01:05:37,310
Anyway, that's going to improve
all of our radio systems

1363
01:05:37,310 --> 01:05:40,870
and including how things are
communicating with dispatch.

1364
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:42,390
At the PD.

1365
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:45,610
And so we need to do
that no matter what.

1366
01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:46,730
So we're going to have that now.

1367
01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:49,390
Otherwise, we'll be asking for
it again in next year's budget.

1368
01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:53,270
And then a digital key box is
with being at the New building.

1369
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:56,910
This is a way to
have all of our keys.

1370
01:05:56,910 --> 01:05:57,590
Like a spare key.

1371
01:05:57,590 --> 01:05:58,470
Like our spare keys.

1372
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:59,030
Put somewhere.

1373
01:05:59,030 --> 01:06:02,950
So when we had a few weeks
ago or after we moved in,

1374
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:05,850
we kind of had a
major power failure.

1375
01:06:05,850 --> 01:06:09,350
And so we realized
that the way we have,

1376
01:06:09,350 --> 01:06:10,950
not everybody has a master key.

1377
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:12,990
And so one of us had to
get called to come out

1378
01:06:12,990 --> 01:06:14,090
of bed in the
middle of the night

1379
01:06:14,090 --> 01:06:16,370
to let people back into the PD.

1380
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:18,330
And we don't want to
have to do that again,

1381
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:21,150
but it needs to be meet
certain security requirements.

1382
01:06:21,150 --> 01:06:22,910
So it seems expensive
for a key box,

1383
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:25,010
but that's how it meets
all the requirements.

1384
01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:27,190
My first question was like,
do I need that on my house.

1385
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:28,370
Yeah, I right.

1386
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:29,330
I know.

1387
01:06:29,330 --> 01:06:32,170
So what are those
key rocks outside.

1388
01:06:32,170 --> 01:06:32,950
I made the joke.

1389
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:34,430
I'm like, can we
just get the frog.

1390
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:35,830
And you put it under the frog.

1391
01:06:35,830 --> 01:06:37,450
And maybe nobody
in the kids started

1392
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:38,590
coming home at o'clock AM.

1393
01:06:38,590 --> 01:06:39,110
Good luck.

1394
01:06:39,110 --> 01:06:40,750
100% yeah.

1395
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:44,830
I mean, unfortunately, it's
just with law enforcement,

1396
01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:48,110
technology is growing and it's
just become part of what we do.

1397
01:06:48,110 --> 01:06:50,630
And I understand
this is a large ask,

1398
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:53,510
but we're just trying to
offset the next couple

1399
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:54,970
of years of budget costs.

1400
01:06:54,970 --> 01:06:58,430
And this is some capital
vehicle equipment

1401
01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:59,370
we thought we could bring.

1402
01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:01,430
And hopefully, if
you guys thought

1403
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:03,670
it would be a good use of
some of those extra funds

1404
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:05,870
and we could get
these knocked off

1405
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:07,350
and we'd be able to
hopefully reallocate

1406
01:07:07,350 --> 01:07:10,470
the budget over the next
couple of years to do that.

1407
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:13,310
And then.

1408
01:07:13,310 --> 01:07:15,550
The money is, to
my mind, the money

1409
01:07:15,550 --> 01:07:18,350
is police building
and supporting

1410
01:07:18,350 --> 01:07:20,350
that your whole operation.

1411
01:07:20,350 --> 01:07:22,790
So I don't really have
a problem with it,

1412
01:07:22,790 --> 01:07:29,130
but you just said there,
you just finalized it.

1413
01:07:29,130 --> 01:07:32,310
We're going to have to figure
out our budget down the road.

1414
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:33,490
Yes, you have to.

1415
01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:35,190
You're going to have
to carry yourself

1416
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:37,243
around, run out of money.

1417
01:07:37,243 --> 01:07:38,710
And that's why we're
bringing a lot of these

1418
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:40,270
are like one time
costs, so they're not

1419
01:07:40,270 --> 01:07:41,570
going to be reoccurring costs.

1420
01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:43,790
And so that's what
we're trying to I

1421
01:07:43,790 --> 01:07:44,830
hear what you're saying Jay.

1422
01:07:44,830 --> 01:07:51,120
Definitely yeah we can handle
basically replacing the vehicles

1423
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,460
the ones that are in service.

1424
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:56,760
If we bring along new officers,
the vehicles, what we found

1425
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,080
is there was about $1 million
of over the five years

1426
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,220
that we couldn't afford.

1427
01:08:01,220 --> 01:08:05,080
And this kind of
knocks out almost 60%

1428
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,580
So still some work to do.

1429
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:13,560
But yeah, our budget
general fund is balanced.

1430
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,180
It's actually running
a slight deficit.

1431
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:19,439
So these are not
something we can do

1432
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,160
without hurting the financial.

1433
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,180
So for the radios in the
new tower for this cost,

1434
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:27,000
this doesn't include
service agreements

1435
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,040
and ongoing maintenance.

1436
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,760
No those are going to be
included with what I got

1437
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,100
what we got with the current one
we got from a couple months ago.

1438
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:38,227
Yeah I was going
to say I just yeah,

1439
01:08:38,227 --> 01:08:39,560
that one I know we've
talked a lot about

1440
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,893
and we are going to
end up signing that.

1441
01:08:40,893 --> 01:08:42,700
We're just again, we're just
doing some final testing.

1442
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:44,800
It's down to Harrison Motorola,
and we're really just trying

1443
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,000
to figure out what is going
to work most consistently

1444
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,600
and what's going to be safest
and best for our officers.

1445
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,319
Off ramp.

1446
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:51,660
Because they're out of date.

1447
01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:59,180
So I haven't said no to a
request for the police ever.

1448
01:08:59,180 --> 01:09:01,580
My only concern is we've
spent a lot of money

1449
01:09:01,580 --> 01:09:07,240
on radios and cameras, and
we keep adding to that list.

1450
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,540
And I kind of like
when does everybody

1451
01:09:11,540 --> 01:09:12,920
have the latest and greatest.

1452
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,500
And I mean, is this the last
request for this technology

1453
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:16,399
that we're going to get.

1454
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,819
Or I would tell you, yes.

1455
01:09:18,819 --> 01:09:21,580
Based off we went
again, we weren't

1456
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:23,080
planning on bringing this ask.

1457
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,460
But as we started looking
at this type of forecasting

1458
01:09:26,460 --> 01:09:28,600
over the next five
years, like you said,

1459
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,439
we were up over $1 million.

1460
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,779
And so we thought, we
have these funds now.

1461
01:09:34,779 --> 01:09:36,160
It's not a recurring cost.

1462
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,340
So if we can knock
this out, that's

1463
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:38,500
going to hopefully
help us balance

1464
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:40,760
the budget moving forward over
the next few fiscal years.

1465
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,260
Well, life cycle.

1466
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:43,560
Yeah what's the life cycle.

1467
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,540
It is a reoccurring cost.

1468
01:09:45,540 --> 01:09:47,740
I mean, most of these
are more realistic.

1469
01:09:47,740 --> 01:09:50,399
We're going to be five
years plus on those radios.

1470
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,300
They'll probably longer.

1471
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:57,160
And the camera systems with
that contract with axon, those

1472
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,180
include replacements.

1473
01:09:58,180 --> 01:10:00,700
And that's part of your
ongoing subscription costs.

1474
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:02,720
Are the maintenance as
part of the agreement

1475
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,460
say you go with
Motorola or the counter.

1476
01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:07,620
Is that part of the agreement.

1477
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:09,520
The life cycle, the warranty.

1478
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,020
They're not going to switch to
a new technology and they will.

1479
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:14,640
The warranty, the
warranty and life cycle

1480
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:15,740
will be in that contract.

1481
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:19,200
Yes, I guess help
me understand when

1482
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,920
you do a replacement
five or six years

1483
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,360
where that money comes from.

1484
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,120
So at that point, we'll
have to reevaluate what

1485
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,860
we have some of those radios.

1486
01:10:27,860 --> 01:10:29,980
A lot of times if you're
sticking with that same program,

1487
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:32,180
you can do like a trade
in and get credit for,

1488
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:34,360
but it's going to
ultimately we'll have to see

1489
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,480
where we're at in or six years.

1490
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:37,140
OK, great.

1491
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:40,360
You asked kind of where
the money is coming from.

1492
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,560
General fund.

1493
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,180
General fund.

1494
01:10:43,180 --> 01:10:44,700
Yeah Jason.

1495
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:45,970
It's going to be fun.

1496
01:10:45,970 --> 01:10:48,490
Yeah, I think it
comes from a different

1497
01:10:48,490 --> 01:10:50,270
it comes from a different
counsel who has to vote.

1498
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:51,970
Yeah that's different.

1499
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:56,010
So it's my 19th budget.

1500
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:59,930
Every single year is a
grind for the general fund.

1501
01:10:59,930 --> 01:11:03,870
So we do an annual
five year forecast.

1502
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:07,910
So we're going to year
two years from now,

1503
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:09,810
we're going to probably
start seeing a couple

1504
01:11:09,810 --> 01:11:10,990
of these items coming in.

1505
01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:16,930
We are planning for a drone
program replacement program.

1506
01:11:16,930 --> 01:11:20,670
So yeah, it's general fund.

1507
01:11:20,670 --> 01:11:23,090
And that's the game we play.

1508
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:25,310
We got to find a way to do it.

1509
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:28,910
And, thankfully right now we
do have some one time funds.

1510
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:31,170
So we're thinking
you know officers are

1511
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:34,050
going to be tough
real tough right now

1512
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:36,510
to get so thought processes.

1513
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:38,290
We're doing everything
we can with one

1514
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:41,470
timeout money to make things a
little bit easier on the staff.

1515
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:44,890
We have even this cleanup.

1516
01:11:44,890 --> 01:11:47,710
We have a lot of
response calls out there,

1517
01:11:47,710 --> 01:11:49,790
so even that helps them.

1518
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:54,150
So that's the idea right now is
what can we do with one timeout

1519
01:11:54,150 --> 01:11:56,310
to make it easier on
the staff we have.

1520
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:59,310
Well, and again, this is
coming from the surplus of what

1521
01:11:59,310 --> 01:12:01,810
was not spent on the building.

1522
01:12:01,810 --> 01:12:05,790
So in my mind, it's their money.

1523
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:09,330
I mean they saved it.

1524
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:11,990
And there are things
they need to be

1525
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:13,910
at the level they need to be.

1526
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:20,110
And this makes sense if
you're on the fire department.

1527
01:12:20,110 --> 01:12:25,390
Yeah they got
their own problems.

1528
01:12:25,390 --> 01:12:30,270
How much of the eventual
third shift is going to be.

1529
01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:32,070
I mean, will this protect.

1530
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:36,950
We're talking about adding so
all so this will accommodate.

1531
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:38,350
So we're not going to
come back with a oh

1532
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:40,410
now we're adding
another four officers.

1533
01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:42,610
We need to get 5
by for more radios.

1534
01:12:42,610 --> 01:12:44,770
No, this is projecting
on what we're

1535
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:47,170
hoping we'll be able to add over
the next two years for bodies

1536
01:12:47,170 --> 01:12:48,410
so we can get to that third.

1537
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:50,570
So we will have
extra, extra equipment

1538
01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:54,010
in anticipation of FTE
being added for the radios

1539
01:12:54,010 --> 01:12:54,930
and body cameras are.

1540
01:12:54,930 --> 01:12:56,330
Then I'm OK.

1541
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:57,130
I'm good.

1542
01:12:57,130 --> 01:12:57,630
Thank you.

1543
01:12:57,630 --> 01:12:58,110
Good question.

1544
01:12:58,110 --> 01:12:58,610
Thank you.

1545
01:12:58,610 --> 01:12:59,770
That's a good question.

1546
01:12:59,770 --> 01:13:04,970
Are there more questions
on this particularly just

1547
01:13:04,970 --> 01:13:08,070
to clarify too, especially
around the cleanup,

1548
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:10,130
the homeless 150,000.

1549
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:13,190
We're just having the discussion
on the budget adjustment.

1550
01:13:13,190 --> 01:13:16,530
It will come before council
on March 10 for approval.

1551
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:19,150
OK yeah.

1552
01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:21,090
We just wanted to
gut check today

1553
01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:24,410
that we don't bring something
that you're like, no way.

1554
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:28,610
So I don't see the benefit of
having people leave an area

1555
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:31,210
and leave all that
debris to blow and go

1556
01:13:31,210 --> 01:13:33,590
and get into our business zones.

1557
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:35,850
So I think that
that's going to have

1558
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:38,490
to make sense at some point.

1559
01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:43,780
So it'll come before us March
10 and back to general fund.

1560
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:49,660
That land is supposed to
be sold for industrial.

1561
01:13:49,660 --> 01:13:52,860
I mean, I don't
$5 a square foot.

1562
01:13:52,860 --> 01:13:54,400
I'm not a commercial.

1563
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,160
I know that's higher.

1564
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,260
Higher OK, so $5 a
square foot is $9 million

1565
01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:02,360
and that's general fund.

1566
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:07,580
So if we can market that
and someday sell it,

1567
01:14:07,580 --> 01:14:09,740
the grind is a little bit
easier for the general fund

1568
01:14:09,740 --> 01:14:10,280
for a while.

1569
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,300
So yeah, that's
the third reason is

1570
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:17,000
we get that land in a position
for what it was intended for,

1571
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,760
which is to sell
it for industrial.

1572
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,980


1573
01:14:21,980 --> 01:14:22,900
All right.

1574
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:26,260
We ensure our police drones
so that when they screw up,

1575
01:14:26,260 --> 01:14:27,280
I want to see them fly.

1576
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,080
Went into a house.

1577
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:28,980
That's pretty good.

1578
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:31,100
Oh, they do that for photos now.

1579
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:32,900
My photographers
fly them through.

1580
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:34,860
They don't usually
have some cracked up

1581
01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:37,020
baseball bat coming after it.

1582
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:38,620
Have you seen what I missed.

1583
01:14:38,620 --> 01:14:40,840
Well, to be fair, that's true.

1584
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,840
Cat does have a point there.

1585
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,940
All right, if we're done
with budget adjustments,

1586
01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:47,120
we'll move on to
annexation ordinance

1587
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,440
since we still have some time.

1588
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:51,520
I got it.

1589
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,720
Got more handouts for you today.

1590
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:54,580
Sure watch this.

1591
01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:58,680
Look at me handout skills.

1592
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,620
Throwing stones.

1593
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:01,880
Showing up in there.

1594
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,160
Slow down here.

1595
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:05,200
That's right.

1596
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,920
Just let me just toss
this across that.

1597
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:09,420
All right.

1598
01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:14,000
So this is more of an FYI
item at this point in time.

1599
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,080
Basically, Corey and myself,
we've been working on actually

1600
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,820
an annexation procedure.

1601
01:15:19,820 --> 01:15:22,180
So remarkably, in
our development code,

1602
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:25,340
we don't have any language
on how we process annexation.

1603
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:28,360
So historically, what
we've done is we basically

1604
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,880
direct applied state statute.

1605
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,460
So there was an
opportunity here,

1606
01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:35,000
especially after a
lot of conversations

1607
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,260
we had about annexations
probably a year and a half ago.

1608
01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:41,780
And so we've gone in
and basically we're

1609
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:45,340
formalizing and codifying
the annexation procedure

1610
01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:47,160
and approval criteria.

1611
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,660
And what you have before
you is the first draft.

1612
01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:52,140
Again, this is kind
of meant for you guys

1613
01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:57,300
to just read digest, because
ultimately this will come back

1614
01:15:57,300 --> 01:15:59,340
to you guys and the
planning commission

1615
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:03,900
probably in the April
time frame for adoption.

1616
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:05,440
So I'm not going to
go through all of it.

1617
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:08,060
But what I do want to
highlight for you guys is

1618
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:12,180
under the approval criteria,
we have the standard stuff

1619
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:13,360
that we've been used to.

1620
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,380
But what we did
add in this one was

1621
01:16:15,380 --> 01:16:18,860
a line that basically
says that in order

1622
01:16:18,860 --> 01:16:20,240
to approve the annexation.

1623
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,320
The annexation has to be in
the city's best interest.

1624
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,080
And I know that's
very open ended.

1625
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,620
But really what this means is
that city can't really just ask

1626
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:31,820
the developer, you
incorporate whatever

1627
01:16:31,820 --> 01:16:34,630
we want in their development.

1628
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:38,730
We can if it's like within the
bounds of something in our code.

1629
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:41,250
So for an example, can
you remember a few years.

1630
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:44,270
Well, actually it was the
spruce Northwest master

1631
01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:45,750
development plan that
Hayden Holmes did

1632
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:47,590
in the Northwest part of town.

1633
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:50,010
We had that
conversation about, hey,

1634
01:16:50,010 --> 01:16:51,830
can you incorporate
some commercial

1635
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:54,230
or some childcare in that.

1636
01:16:54,230 --> 01:16:56,190
And they said, well,
it's zoned residential

1637
01:16:56,190 --> 01:16:57,470
and we're only
interested in doing

1638
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:59,690
residential in this situation.

1639
01:16:59,690 --> 01:17:03,870
We could have asked for
childcare or limited scale

1640
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:06,030
commercial because
in conjunction

1641
01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:07,450
with the master
development plan,

1642
01:17:07,450 --> 01:17:10,250
our code does allow for
that as a conditional use.

1643
01:17:10,250 --> 01:17:11,210
So does that make sense.

1644
01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:12,670
We can ask for things.

1645
01:17:12,670 --> 01:17:15,790
So as long as it's within
the bounds of the code

1646
01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:18,410
while we're making code
amendments, this is off topic.

1647
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:19,170
I apologize.

1648
01:17:19,170 --> 01:17:21,030
Can we with our
limited commercial

1649
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:24,870
86 the food carts
and neighborhoods.

1650
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:28,890
I get so many complaints
about food carts,

1651
01:17:28,890 --> 01:17:31,150
about food carts and
the music, and the late

1652
01:17:31,150 --> 01:17:33,410
night and the 1970s.

1653
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:37,030
Well, yeah, but the others
as they come will do that.

1654
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:39,610
I mean, it makes sense that you
don't want to have that next

1655
01:17:39,610 --> 01:17:41,090
to a residential
dwelling if they're

1656
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:44,210
going to be having
music and chemically

1657
01:17:44,210 --> 01:17:45,510
enhanced happy people.

1658
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:48,050


1659
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:49,210
That's problematic.

1660
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:51,730
I mean, I get yeah, but
I guess those were zoned

1661
01:17:51,730 --> 01:17:53,110
commercial from the get go.

1662
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:55,130
So it's just being
cognizant as we

1663
01:17:55,130 --> 01:17:57,850
but you could make an
Amendment about commercial use

1664
01:17:57,850 --> 01:18:00,070
abutting residential zone.

1665
01:18:00,070 --> 01:18:03,130
If it was an actual
residential house.

1666
01:18:03,130 --> 01:18:06,730
I mean, really, we can dive
right into the standards

1667
01:18:06,730 --> 01:18:10,010
for food carts and
do what we want.

1668
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:14,430
So yeah, that would be part
of the code Amendment process.

1669
01:18:14,430 --> 01:18:18,190
But specifically with this
is the annexation piece.

1670
01:18:18,190 --> 01:18:23,950
And I'm trying to think we
work with lights on this.

1671
01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:27,830
Dan, from a staff,
staff perspective,

1672
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:31,670
we feel pretty good about
what we have in front of you.

1673
01:18:31,670 --> 01:18:35,530
I feel like it's getting
close for adoption.

1674
01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:38,110
Ready but again, this was
just more of an introduction

1675
01:18:38,110 --> 01:18:40,870
for you guys and give you guys
the opportunity to take time

1676
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:45,610
to look through it and come back
with questions for Corey and I.

1677
01:18:45,610 --> 01:18:49,470
And so what I would
want to see is

1678
01:18:49,470 --> 01:18:52,790
how we are interpreting
city's best interest

1679
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:54,670
because it is open and vague.

1680
01:18:54,670 --> 01:18:59,310
And so what do we currently
today think that might

1681
01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:01,410
mean in an annexation.

1682
01:19:01,410 --> 01:19:03,870
And does it need guardrails
or is it something

1683
01:19:03,870 --> 01:19:06,610
that we just leave open.

1684
01:19:06,610 --> 01:19:07,610
Is it defensible.

1685
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:12,430
So for interest, for what you're
talking about with food trucks

1686
01:19:12,430 --> 01:19:15,670
next to somebody's house, can
we pull data on how many times

1687
01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:18,190
the house next door has
been put on the market,

1688
01:19:18,190 --> 01:19:22,310
and how it's impacting
residential Every house on 19th

1689
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:23,630
on that street is going on.

1690
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:29,220
It's been up twice since
I. Yeah and on that piece,

1691
01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:30,380
the city's best interest.

1692
01:19:30,380 --> 01:19:32,440
The first part of
doing annexation

1693
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:34,100
is doing the
annexation agreement.

1694
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,400
And that's obviously
before we would

1695
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,220
even Annex A piece of property.

1696
01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:39,720
Council has to
review and approve

1697
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,520
the terms of that
annexation agreement

1698
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,640
in that topic about the
city's best interests.

1699
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,920
That's a good time to have that
discussion on what the city

1700
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,720
council cares about in
terms of potential impacts

1701
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,320
to the annexation.

1702
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,560
What we want to include.

1703
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,340
I guess my concern is I love
that this is written in here,

1704
01:19:58,340 --> 01:20:00,540
but we've said before, these
are the things we'd like to see.

1705
01:20:00,540 --> 01:20:02,100
And we've just been
told, yeah, OK.

1706
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:03,580
No and they do what
they want to do.

1707
01:20:03,580 --> 01:20:04,880
This is what we're
going to do and this

1708
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:05,933
is what we're going to annex.

1709
01:20:05,933 --> 01:20:07,400
And we're sorry if you
want it because we're

1710
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,000
not going to give it to you.

1711
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,860
But now that we're codifying
language in the code,

1712
01:20:12,860 --> 01:20:13,980
it's much more defensible.

1713
01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:15,280
Defensible yeah.

1714
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,060
It's defensible.

1715
01:20:16,060 --> 01:20:18,980
We have to have a platform
and have it be defensible.

1716
01:20:18,980 --> 01:20:19,880
Exactly yeah.

1717
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,120
So three or four
years ago, whenever

1718
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,740
we had the initial conversation
about annexations by statute,

1719
01:20:24,740 --> 01:20:26,880
there's four things
that they have to meet.

1720
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,540
And if they meet those
four, we, the council

1721
01:20:29,540 --> 01:20:31,120
can't require anything else.

1722
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,740
They've met the 4 and
two or three of the four

1723
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:34,520
are really easy.

1724
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,800
It has to be
contiguous to the city.

1725
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,500
It has to be this, that.

1726
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:42,280
And so they just basically
got automatic entry.

1727
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,500
One of those four things
is complies with city code.

1728
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:48,360
Our city code was silent so
it automatically complied.

1729
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,720
This closes that.

1730
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,640
So now we're getting language.

1731
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,500
So that fourth requirement
under state law

1732
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:56,920
actually has something
that they have to comply.

1733
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,760
So this would allow us if they
try to bring in the 1,200 acres,

1734
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,560
to say we want to do it
as a single development,

1735
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,433
not piecemeal.

1736
01:21:06,433 --> 01:21:07,700
We could say it's
in the best interest

1737
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,260
to do a larger master plan
development as opposed

1738
01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:14,820
to 50 acres at a time.

1739
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:16,600
Maybe I haven't thought
that part through.

1740
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,680
I mean, if they sold
those pieces off,

1741
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,060
then probably not
because they would have

1742
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:23,000
a 50 acre contiguous piece.

1743
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,920
So it depends on their
approach, I don't.

1744
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,240
I think you're probably worried
about something that's not going

1745
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,480
to happen in the next 10
months, but the or two

1746
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:33,460
years or five years.

1747
01:21:33,460 --> 01:21:37,100
I mean, the County doesn't
seem interested in that anyway,

1748
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:40,000
but in theory, possibly, yeah.

1749
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,200
The other thing is I was also
concerned about the city's

1750
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,640
best interest language.

1751
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,540
We didn't invent that.

1752
01:21:45,540 --> 01:21:49,740
We took that from Hillsborough
as well, I like that.

1753
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:52,520
If we've got if
they challenge it,

1754
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,060
I mean, is it defensible
with the state,

1755
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:57,020
which we've been
obviously based on.

1756
01:21:57,020 --> 01:21:59,000
I think the state
worked or there was

1757
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,820
somebody pointed us to that.

1758
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:06,880
It pointed us to our DLCD
pointed us to Hillsborough.

1759
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,720
No, it was an outside
counsel and that they

1760
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:11,780
had helped draft it.

1761
01:22:11,780 --> 01:22:15,180
And it's my understanding
it's battle tested.

1762
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:16,440
That was my next.

1763
01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:18,220
Yeah because battle
is it Battle tested.

1764
01:22:18,220 --> 01:22:20,400
And could it be
deemed as arbitrary or

1765
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,010
capricious if this area
over here on the wrap

1766
01:22:23,010 --> 01:22:24,070
is this best interest.

1767
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:26,210
And this over here on the East
side is this best interest

1768
01:22:26,210 --> 01:22:28,650
and the best interest
are different.

1769
01:22:28,650 --> 01:22:29,750
No, I think that's OK.

1770
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:32,210
As long as you have findings
that support why it's

1771
01:22:32,210 --> 01:22:34,090
in the city's best interest.

1772
01:22:34,090 --> 01:22:36,250
I like the objective.

1773
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:39,530
Objective or subjective.

1774
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:40,350
So yeah.

1775
01:22:40,350 --> 01:22:41,870
Again nope.

1776
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:46,630
OK give it a read and
look for comments,

1777
01:22:46,630 --> 01:22:48,270
thoughts, questions, concerns.

1778
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:50,610
I'll just rewrite
the whole thing.

1779
01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:51,970
Yeah, we can do that.

1780
01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:56,810
Is there a show or
show I want to show.

1781
01:22:56,810 --> 01:23:01,390
On annexation ordinance, do
we have any other questions,

1782
01:23:01,390 --> 01:23:05,870
comments before I open the table
for the next seven minutes,

1783
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:08,190
if there's anything additional
people would like to discuss.

1784
01:23:08,190 --> 01:23:12,730


1785
01:23:12,730 --> 01:23:14,810
All right.

1786
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:19,730
OK, then I'm going to pull an
Ed and say we're adjourned.

1787
01:23:19,730 --> 01:23:21,500
For one.

1788
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:22,000