[0:00] No my 5 foot 2 frame was not
quite made for basketball.
[0:05] OK, we'll call the
meeting to order.
[0:07] The Redmond city council.
[0:10] And first item is 1,200 acres.
[0:12] I think I sent everyone
a memo just this morning.
[0:16] But anyway, where I was left off
from last week's joint meeting
[0:22] with the commissioners
was kind of up in the air.
[0:27] So I'm hoping that the council
would ask the County to take
[0:32] over the project in terms of
funding something in 26, 27
[0:36] to keep it moving forward.
[0:39] I do think it's a good
project for Redman.
[0:44] The one.
[0:47] Return on investment that
I could see that makes
[0:49] sense out of the 1,200 acres.
[0:52] Is that a percentage of
any proceeds of sales
[0:54] of the property by the County
would go into infrastructure
[1:00] in the Redmond
community, particularly
[1:02] improving the crappy County
roads we end up inheriting.
[1:08] So obviously there's miles
and miles to go on that,
[1:12] but I would hope that we
would encourage the County
[1:15] to proceed with that.
[1:17] But I'll throw it
open to you guys
[1:19] for interested investors
and the development
[1:22] of the 1,200 acres County.
[1:24] Just the County.
[1:25] There's no third party.
[1:27] They're going to self develop.
[1:28] No, no.
[1:29] I mean how they do
it is up to them.
[1:33] They're the owner
of the properties.
[1:37] Whether they hire a contractor
like that stuff in Phoenix.
[1:41] And there's a
whole thing at once
[1:43] or whether they piecemeal that's
going to be up to the County.
[1:45] Do we not have any concerns that
they're going to take, maybe
[1:48] like the design or
plans that was presented
[1:51] to us with the curvy roads
and the non straight streets,
[1:54] and master plan it that way
and hand it back because that's
[1:56] the path of least resistance now
that it's there, instead of I
[2:00] mean, I have no problem in
the future getting the County
[2:04] to do a master plan annexation.
[2:06] But who designs
that master plan.
[2:08] Is that going to fall
to the County then.
[2:10] It has to.
[2:11] It's their property.
[2:12] And that concerns me because
I don't as the Redmond city
[2:16] council, that we want
the County deciding
[2:20] what our roads
and infrastructure
[2:22] are going to be in that area.
[2:24] I mean, it's still a land
use application to the city.
[2:27] And working with Nick
and Peter Kotowski
[2:30] on this from the County
planning department,
[2:32] they are totally interested in
having the city's, I'll call it
[2:36] imperator on this property, be
really the driving force on it,
[2:41] but it's a County
property they're
[2:43] going to have to fund however
it goes forward, because it's
[2:48] not a city project.
[2:50] Now, there's all
kinds of possibilities
[2:53] that we do a joint venture
with the County on it,
[2:56] but I don't think we're
interested in doing
[2:58] it at this juncture because
we got enough on our plate.
[3:01] Exactly I think we were pretty
clear that we didn't when we
[3:05] spoke about this in our goals,
that it wasn't something
[3:07] to add to the 2026 plan.
[3:11] I don't have a problem asking
the County to take it on.
[3:13] I fear that the County taking
it on is not productive.
[3:20] And now you're turning something
over to them that wouldn't it
[3:24] be better to wait till 2028
and then do a joint venture
[3:27] or something, but to
plan it out in the future
[3:29] where there's good oversight
as to what we're bringing
[3:34] into our city as part
of what Redmond looks
[3:36] like, as opposed to what the
County decides what we need.
[3:39] So one option.
[3:42] Makes some sense is we'll have
five commissioners next year.
[3:47] In 2027.
[3:49] That might be the
appropriate time
[3:51] to start working on some
type of joint venture on it
[3:53] to have some funding
from the County
[3:55] and the 2728 budget cycle.
[3:59] That would make
some sense to me.
[4:00] And there's a land use change
here that they have to go for.
[4:04] 
[4:08] The original idea was
the more you get this
[4:11] to where this is a great plan,
the more it's easier to sell to.
[4:18] Legislators say it
makes total sense
[4:20] to bring this in as one unit
into the UTB, which is totally
[4:26] outside the box for the LCD.
[4:29] And I get that.
[4:30] I just default
back to the County
[4:32] as that one person to do that.
[4:35] Even if we had
five people there,
[4:37] what we're looking at right
now is 3 to four of them,
[4:41] without that level of
legislative competence
[4:43] or negotiation skills.
[4:45] I mean, they're new.
[4:45] They're going to walk
into this thing brand new
[4:47] and learning
everything as they go.
[4:50] I don't know.
[4:52] I don't know.
[4:53] I guess the County
should take it over.
[4:54] We have no bandwidth
or time, but are they
[4:57] the right entity for
now, or do we want
[4:59] to wait and have a say later.
[5:03] That's the hard part for me.
[5:04] I don't think I feel like we're
pushing it forward so we can say
[5:07] that it's there without looking
at what that could end up being
[5:10] and built our standards.
[5:12] Yeah, I said like I said
at the joint meeting,
[5:16] I finally I get why it's
such an attractive project.
[5:22] My fear is we are strictly
from an experience standpoint.
[5:30] We are going to be
looking at four County
[5:32] commissioners,
maybe two of which
[5:36] will have had any
experience with land use.
[5:38] You'd have if Commissioner
Bowen is reelected,
[5:42] he's got some experience
and Commissioner
[5:43] Chang isn't up for reelection.
[5:45] Those are the only two
land use experience.
[5:47] 
[5:50] Commissioner Chang
has not expressed
[5:52] any interest in doing this.
[5:54] He still wants to piecemeal
the West Side one at a time.
[5:57] Didn't show any interest
in the East side.
[6:00] Didn't show any interest
in the West Side
[6:01] because he can't quite
figure out that we
[6:03] could do two things at once.
[6:06] And my fear is, if we
pointed out to them, hey,
[6:10] we've got this great opportunity
for you, they may screw it up,
[6:16] for lack of a better term.
[6:17] I mean, I think
that is my concern.
[6:20] It's like, what conceptually
that is a good idea,
[6:24] but it's not one we're
ready for and we're
[6:26] handing it over to the
least qualified drivers.
[6:28] I don't want to let my kids
redecorate my living room,
[6:31] I guess.
[6:32] I mean, the driving force
on land use is not Tony.
[6:37] And to some extent Phil,
it's Nick lack and Peter
[6:42] Grotowski and those people.
[6:44] And I have a lot of
faith and trust in them.
[6:50] And they are from
our conversations
[6:54] that been a part of.
[6:55] They're 110% behind
us because they
[6:58] can see the benefit of
balancing out our community
[7:03] on the East side and.
[7:07] This has been in the plans for
20 years that East side plan.
[7:11] And Nick was the
one who actually
[7:14] developed that East side plan.
[7:16] I think any of us have a problem
with East side development.
[7:18] I think we have a problem
with the timing of East side
[7:20] development and the time frame.
[7:22] I think that's really what
my biggest concerns are.
[7:25] And then, of course, again, I
don't have the faith in Nick
[7:28] and Peter that you
do because I don't
[7:30] have the experience with them.
[7:31] But I can take that
with a grain of salt.
[7:34] So the only thing that I was
thinking that would happen
[7:38] in the 2627 budget cycle,
which is like 15 months out,
[7:44] is that they would do.
[7:47] An environmental assessment,
which doesn't do anything
[7:51] in terms of planning.
[7:53] But it shows what
some of the challenges
[7:55] would be, particularly on
the fill from the dump.
[7:58] 
[8:01] And any issue with homeless
encampments out there.
[8:06] It doesn't change the
dynamic of the plan.
[8:09] It doesn't.
[8:09] It's just an
environmental assessment.
[8:13] So I guess since it is County
owned property and correct me
[8:16] if I'm wrong in any statement,
the reason we're still
[8:18] discussing it is for the
potential in the future for it
[8:22] to be annexed into the city of
Redmond as that 1,200 acres,
[8:25] correct Correct.
[8:26] 
[8:30] Do we have the capacity to
keep it from getting piecemeal
[8:36] if I mean, that's but I
mean, in terms of annexation,
[8:40] we do as we do.
[8:43] But if the County still
owns it, we don't have that.
[8:46] If you abandon that, what is
that ability worth anything.
[8:50] Let me put it this way.
[8:51] If you abandon it and
just say no, we're
[8:53] not going to do anything with
it, it makes it more likely
[8:56] that the County is just going
to do whatever they want to do.
[9:00] But, I mean, I have
talked ad nauseam
[9:04] on, so I'm going to shut up.
[9:05] I think a long term,
I think a study that's
[9:07] looking forward long term
on it, I think is probably
[9:11] worth the conversation.
[9:13] And that just in simply
in that respect, so that
[9:15] we can try to keep it
together as one large section
[9:18] for future development.
[9:19] Well, and again, that has to
be approved at the state level.
[9:22] So that bandwidth
and that teeing up.
[9:24] So I guess next question,
because you want
[9:27] to do an environmental
study in 2728,
[9:30] figure out if it's feasible.
[9:33] Players will change and
then we're into 2829.
[9:36] That would be when OK,
we have a feasibility.
[9:39] Should we take this
to the legislature
[9:40] or when do you see
that happening.
[9:41] If we want 1,200 acres
going to the legislature,
[9:45] 29 or 31, 29 or 31.
[9:48] OK, so with the question
that John or excuse me,
[9:52] Councilor John proposed.
[9:55] Is there an
opportunity and maybe
[9:57] this is a question
or a KW question.
[10:00] Enter into an IgA.
[10:01] So it isn't split up.
[10:05] I would recommend I
mean I think the sense
[10:09] I got from the council was a
master plan for the 1,200 acres.
[10:14] Makes a lot of sense.
[10:16] Development on Northeast
revenue makes sense,
[10:18] but we want to have some
measure of input on it
[10:22] so they don't screw it up.
[10:24] Yeah, that's like the US
hockey team did yesterday.
[10:28] That goalie was winning.
[10:30] I mean, I picture is everything.
[10:32] I think an MOU that kind
of states our intent
[10:35] IgA that's above my pay grade.
[10:37] But I think just something
that simply says this
[10:40] is what we're trying to do.
[10:42] And letting them dip a toe but
not go so fast that you can't.
[10:47] Yeah, it's an agreement.
[10:49] We don't split it up.
[10:50] What does that look like
in resources and time.
[10:53] I mean, from our standpoint
and to their standpoint,
[10:56] because the goal of pushing it
out was to save on the resources
[11:00] here in the city so we
can get done our tasks.
[11:03] And so I'm totally OK
handing off work to them.
[11:06] But by having an IgA,
what does that take
[11:09] back and put back in our court.
[11:11] I'm going to shut up to.
[11:16] The IgA would lay out the goal
that it's in the best interests
[11:19] of the community to have a
master plan for the 1,200 acres,
[11:23] to bring it in as one unit,
to develop it as a master plan
[11:27] in a form that the city
and County can agree upon,
[11:31] and that certain
incremental steps will
[11:34] be taken over the
next two or three
[11:36] years budgeted by the County.
[11:41] And then at that point,
somewhere in that 2829 time
[11:45] frame, then it would get a more
serious in terms of actually
[11:51] diving in with a work plan
with the planning department.
[11:56] And the planning commission
as to what this animal
[11:59] is going to look like.
[12:00] OK can we do that without
getting a significant to do list
[12:06] from County commissioners that
are skeptical of development
[12:11] on the East side, because
that was one of the comments
[12:14] that Commissioner Chang
brought up was like, well,
[12:17] he wants an impact study, and he
wants to see usage in a 20 year
[12:21] plan for the East
side before he wants
[12:22] to entertain the West Side.
[12:23] Yeah, you can just look
at East side growth.
[12:25] And I mean, that was
necessary and extrapolate
[12:28] from those numbers.
[12:29] That is not complex.
[12:30] That is just lazy on his part.
[12:32] Well I mean OK.
[12:36] And my one concern is that in
a five year plan that we have
[12:44] right now, we don't even have
the roundabout coming through
[12:50] in 20 10th Street coming
through until that time
[12:53] period you're talking about.
[12:56] And to me, those things have
to be advanced or something
[13:02] to be built so that we can
have something on the West Side
[13:08] especially.
[13:09] Well, I agree, and I think that
would still be a lot to have
[13:15] a lot of balls in the air.
[13:16] That's right.
[13:18] East side.
[13:19] The East side is fine, but we
got problems with the West Side.
[13:24] We need to make
sure we get handled.
[13:27] Where are we with the
wrap for the West Side.
[13:30] 
[13:34] Beginning stages.
[13:36] Yeah, we started that
effort a couple years ago
[13:38] and had to press pause after.
[13:40] We did a significant
amount of community input,
[13:43] but we were to the point
of like drafting a plan
[13:45] and coming up with
different scenarios
[13:48] to then present through
the adoption process
[13:51] and more community outreach.
[13:52] So, Keith, from a
staffing standpoint,
[13:57] if we wanted to
entertain some type of I
[14:02] guess, declaration to
work with the County
[14:04] to do this, what would it look
like in terms of staff time,
[14:07] in terms of capacity.
[14:09] How many windows do you
have to nail shut to keep
[14:11] people from jumping out.
[14:12] I mean, depends on
the scope creep.
[14:14] That's not going to drink
all this month because you're
[14:16] like only on Tuesdays.
[14:17] That's my.
[14:18] I mean, that's kind of what
I'm afraid of is if we go into.
[14:21] Yeah so yeah, I'm not
contradicting that.
[14:25] But I mean, kind of
pretty clear that I
[14:27] can't do anything on this.
[14:28] I'm not going to put any money
so we can put whatever agreement
[14:31] we want together.
[14:33] And it'll be like,
great, thanks.
[14:34] And then they're going
to ask questions like,
[14:36] is this more of a
priority than A, B and C.
[14:39] I mean I. Councilor
Patrick was speaking to I
[14:46] think maybe less than that.
[14:48] I mean, I wouldn't want to see
us start deciding to reserve
[14:51] infrastructure to the
East side that I would
[14:54] say to the West
Side, because we've
[14:55] begun to crawl forward on this.
[14:58] And I mean, so and I
don't want to dedicate
[15:02] a bunch of staff time to it
if they're not ready to go.
[15:07] And I think that's
kind of my fear.
[15:08] Like, I would like to see
us do some kind of something
[15:11] that just simply says,
this is our intent,
[15:13] but I don't want them to
come back with a to do list.
[15:16] If they're just playing for time
and they're fine giving us busy
[15:19] work to their US and ignore us.
[15:23] And that's my fear.
[15:25] I heard they were not
interested in this at all.
[15:27] That's what I heard.
[15:29] But I mean, from a policy
perspective, your policy.
[15:33] And if you want to
sketch a framework,
[15:36] I just don't want to
see on behalf of staff,
[15:43] I just want to make sure we
manage scope creep on this
[15:45] so it doesn't become crumbs that
then turn into letter crumbs.
[15:49] Is there any reason
that this can't just
[15:52] be a placeholder in
our thought processes
[15:54] until we hit our
goal session in 2027
[15:57] and then re-approach
the County with it,
[15:59] then when we're getting into
a longer legislative session,
[16:01] we're looking at
different land use.
[16:02] I have concerns.
[16:04] I was on the Northwest group.
[16:06] That's why I left that it's not
been completed because it's been
[16:08] a while since I've been on
planning, but it's been a while,
[16:12] and I think that if we balance
our focus on what we've approved
[16:18] as far as annexation
and growth and get some
[16:20] of those infrastructure
pieces done to the West Side
[16:23] organically, that will allow us
to have the balance a little bit
[16:26] later to investigate
the East side,
[16:29] but I think everybody
wants to see
[16:32] some traction on those
corridors on the West Side that
[16:35] are strained.
[16:36] And unfortunately, as we
improve those corridors,
[16:39] we'll get more traffic because
we'll build more homes.
[16:41] So that doesn't help
with the problem
[16:43] that Ed solved by
putting this together.
[16:46] And we would add to it by
improving those corridors.
[16:48] It will make it more traffic
and more trips and more people
[16:51] because it opens up
all that annexation.
[16:54] We have an agenda today,
so why don't we do this.
[16:57] I agree, let's defer
to the goal session
[17:01] at the end of the year
for the next council.
[17:04] Does that make sense.
[17:06] Do you want to put
the piece next,
[17:08] just in case we lose people
in terms of the 22 acres
[17:12] and there's under
miscellaneous on this agenda.
[17:16] Sure go ahead.
[17:17] All right.
[17:17] So there's a discussion at 4:00.
[17:20] Josh and I have to go meet with
the city of bend on Monday.
[17:25] This developer is different for
her, and he had met with staff
[17:31] and wanted to die.
[17:33] And I guess I'm looking at both
you and I agree it has better
[17:35] knowledge to 5.0.82 acres.
[17:39] OK, OK.
[17:41] Yeah so this is a
project where Randy lives
[17:44] just South of his property.
[17:46] There's that long, narrow piece
goes out to the Canyon rim.
[17:50] They want to put some
cluster development up there.
[17:53] They owned 0.82
acres in the County.
[17:57] I met with Vicente
last week sometime.
[18:02] The discussion was
on the 0.2 acres.
[18:05] I think they had originally
asked the city to buy it.
[18:08] I said, well, might make some
sense is if they deeded that 0.2
[18:12] acres, which is right
next to the bulb fields,
[18:15] and got a credit
for their park SDCS
[18:18] just on that development, that
would make some sense to me.
[18:21] And I think having an incentive
of having people deed property
[18:25] in the Canyon to the city.
[18:27] Rather than having that
mix of private ownership
[18:29] and city ownership down
there long term makes sense.
[18:33] So that was the nature
of the discussion.
[18:35] And then the complexity.
[18:36] All I can do is introduce it
because it's not in the park's
[18:39] master plan and not a project.
[18:41] So you would have to amend
it to help this individual.
[18:49] And, and I mean,
so it's complex.
[18:53] And what area do you have a
little bit more background on.
[18:58] If you want to lay out just
the objective pieces and then
[19:01] council can discuss it.
[19:03] Yeah I'll take it
a little bit larger
[19:06] than just this one property.
[19:08] So in our land use
or in our 2040 plan,
[19:15] as well as in all of our
policies and how land use
[19:17] works within or on the Canyon
rim, a lot of the property.
[19:23] There's setbacks, the fencing
requirements, setbacks.
[19:26] At 10 feet, there's
structural setbacks at 25.
[19:29] And what that is to do
is to protect the Canyon
[19:33] and as a community asset.
[19:35] So no development can happen.
[19:37] So every time we
have a development
[19:38] that happens on the Canyon
rim with contractors
[19:42] or with developers, the request
is that piece of property that's
[19:46] from the Canyon rim
into the Canyon floor
[19:48] that they might own, the city
would pay for those things.
[19:53] But when we have previous
negotiations with them,
[19:57] it's protected already.
[19:59] And so our negotiations
are that you
[20:02] can gift this piece of property,
because although I might think
[20:06] it's priceless when it
comes to a development,
[20:10] it's useless land
because it's protected
[20:14] underneath our land use things.
[20:16] So one of the developers
on the Canyon,
[20:22] requesting that the
piece of property,
[20:24] it's 0.82 acres that he would
then that would be protected
[20:29] open space that the
city would pay for that.
[20:34] And so the negotiations that
we've had so far between myself,
[20:37] James and Vicente
is no, it's not
[20:41] part of our parks master plan.
[20:42] It's protected land
already as per policy.
[20:45] And so you're welcome to
donate this to the city.
[20:49] We'll take over liability.
[20:50] We'll take over maintenance.
[20:52] And in exchange
for your donation,
[20:54] we will provide a
receipt of donations.
[20:57] So usually it's a
tax credit letter.
[21:00] So deduction deduction.
[21:02] Yeah I say credit but it's
a tax deduction letter
[21:06] that they can use one time.
[21:08] And so then leading up to this
yeah it went to the mayor.
[21:14] And here we are with
the conversation.
[21:17] So this is actually yeah
this is the property.
[21:20] This is where the puppies
live, or Randy povey.
[21:23] And then here's the piece
that they're talking about.
[21:25] We're specifically talking
about 25 from the rim
[21:29] into the Canyon floor.
[21:31] 
[21:33] And how many homes do
you want to put there.
[21:36] And he's putting cottage
units or planning
[21:39] to put cottage units.
[21:40] 16 of them.
[21:41] 16 Yeah.
[21:42] From here.
[21:43] That way.
[21:43] 
[21:46] It's another one of
those projects that.
[21:48] Oh, yeah, it is, I
would think of but.
[21:54] I don't care.
[21:54] I mean, it's just that was the
thought that crossed my mind,
[21:57] but it's just more
of a fairness issue
[22:03] of what you do
with these property
[22:05] that people own in the Canyon.
[22:07] But you do get this request
probably three or four times
[22:11] a year, about how
we can make it work.
[22:14] The most recent one
was, I want to say,
[22:16] the land use with high
desert, seven acres.
[22:20] Their annexation is what they
ended up gifting the city.
[22:25] So it wouldn't be a
one off, actually.
[22:28] But if we change
the parks master
[22:29] plan and made this
arrangement for one person.
[22:34] All right, I'd just.
[22:36] When we drop it, it's
just embryonic thought
[22:39] in a conversation.
[22:42] Did I desert actually
did that to the city.
[22:47] It's part of the.
[22:48] They're deeding it to the city.
[22:49] Part of their land use.
[22:50] I thought they said
they were going to have
[22:51] the HOA take care of it.
[22:53] Yeah they haven't.
[22:54] I had preliminary
discussions with them
[22:56] and they said they entertained.
[22:57] They would look into
it, but I haven't heard.
[22:59] Yeah, we suggested it.
[23:01] Yeah OK.
[23:04] Anything else on that.
[23:06] No no.
[23:12] OK that'll make it better.
[23:15] A few statements here.
[23:18] So for three, just to let the
executive committee of Core 3
[23:24] is going to recommend to
the full board of Core three
[23:27] to stop any further discussions.
[23:29] 
[23:32] Having them come to the
city just seems weird to me,
[23:36] because they would have to
file a land use application
[23:39] with the city and having
the council say, oh yeah,
[23:42] we're all for it.
[23:43] We're just disqualify the
council from ever hearing it.
[23:47] So I would like core
three take care of it
[23:49] first and see what happens.
[23:51] 
[23:54] OK anyone have any questions
on that Central Oregon
[24:00] irrigation district piping.
[24:02] So we finally got the
environmental impact statement.
[24:06] They're going to
remove from the aquifer
[24:11] 14 billion gallons
of water a year
[24:14] basically right under
Redmond and just South
[24:17] of Redmond, which will
have a significant impact
[24:20] on our ability to get
water in the future.
[24:24] These are going to meet
with John and Craig.
[24:28] Craig oral us next
week when you get back.
[24:34] So I mean to me it's kind of an
existential threat to the city.
[24:41] So any questions on that.
[24:45] No I mean I in our experience
would not use that as that's why
[24:50] your water table is falling.
[24:51] They would put it back on us as
overuse and be more stringent.
[24:54] So yeah, I think it's
something you need to look at.
[24:57] And I guess my theory is we're
not against the piping per se.
[25:01] We're against the diversion of
that 14 billion gallons of water
[25:04] to Jefferson County.
[25:06] It's like taking our water
and shipping it elsewhere.
[25:10] And we asked them
about the piping
[25:12] when they like six
or seven years ago.
[25:15] And it was an idea
and they're like,
[25:17] there'll be a little bit of
artificial what do you call it.
[25:22] Removal of artificial.
[25:24] Yeah, that goes away.
[25:26] But it was very minimal.
[25:28] That's what I was going to
ask because the piping would
[25:30] not be 14 billion gallons.
[25:32] Yeah, yeah.
[25:33] And this is why the tribes have
talked informally about wanting
[25:36] to get an updated study
on the impact of piping,
[25:39] to be able to have a
more comprehensive water
[25:41] conversation, which
some folks aren't
[25:44] that interested in finding out.
[25:47] But the innie, the
infiltration of water.
[25:50] Yeah no, it's so one option
that Owen is looking at
[25:56] and Josh and I have talked
about is an artificial recharge
[25:59] of taking that 14 billion
gallons, or at least most of it
[26:03] maybe, and send some to
Jefferson County, but most of it
[26:06] being recharged back into the
aquifer, which is kind of tricky
[26:09] because you want
to make sure you
[26:11] don't contaminate the aquifer.
[26:14] So there's a lot going
on in that thing.
[26:16] Artificially recharge
from the pipeline.
[26:19] Curious pressurized pipeline.
[26:23] Yeah It would have
to be taken out
[26:26] like before it goes
into pipe and sends
[26:29] somewhere for recharge.
[26:32] At least, I think.
[26:32] But we'll talk to Owen about it.
[26:34] Talk to Jason.
[26:35] 
[26:38] That's all.
[26:39] OK Kyle, you want to talk
a little about the work.
[26:42] Your department's
work plan for 2016?
[26:44] Sure OK.
[26:45] 
[26:48] Handing out.
[26:49] But we also have it
here on this screen.
[26:51] This is just kind of a check
in with council last month
[26:53] at the planning commission.
[26:55] We presented this planning
division work plan.
[26:57] And the idea here this is
obviously not everything
[26:59] that planning division
is working on,
[27:01] but these are the items
that will basically
[27:03] come before planning
commission and then
[27:05] subsequently to city council.
[27:07] So just really quickly this
looks probably a little
[27:09] familiar to last year's plan.
[27:11] But for our private
development applications,
[27:14] these are the ones that
would go to a hearing.
[27:16] These are the ones that
we know of right now.
[27:18] And that's going to be the
Redmond East gateway, which
[27:20] is about 200 acres
on the East side
[27:22] of town, industrial
property that
[27:25] will include a master
development plan
[27:26] and zone change.
[27:28] And then, of course, the
North point vista project,
[27:31] that will be a planned
unit development
[27:32] that will go through
the hearings process
[27:34] with planning commission
and city council.
[27:37] And then obviously as the
year goes on more probably
[27:41] end up seeing a couple more
private master development plans
[27:45] that will go through the
process with planning
[27:47] commission and city council.
[27:49] The second category here is
area planning, public facility
[27:53] plans and inventories.
[27:55] So some of this was a
carryover from last year.
[27:58] At one point council
had an interest
[28:02] in seeing this current
status of our existing area
[28:06] plans, how much
they're built out.
[28:07] So we're talking
about the Northwest
[28:09] area plan, the
highway 97 area plan,
[28:11] and the Southwest area plan.
[28:13] This would be kind
of a progress report
[28:16] back to both planning
commission and city council
[28:18] to see how much more
lands within these areas.
[28:21] We have to go until
they're fully developed.
[28:25] The housing capacity analysis.
[28:27] This is a big
project that we will
[28:29] probably start in early April.
[28:31] This is a grant that
we got from DLCD
[28:33] and we're working closely
with the consultant.
[28:35] Corey's leading this initiative.
[28:37] But basically what this is it's
essentially going to be updating
[28:40] our housing needs
analysis, looking
[28:43] at the land needed to
accommodate the needed
[28:46] housing for the next 20 years.
[28:48] Once we get that
piece of it done,
[28:50] the subsequent piece will be
housing production strategy.
[28:53] And that's going to
be more like an action
[28:55] item, what is the city
going to do to help
[28:58] get houses built quicker.
[29:02] So that's going to
be all together.
[29:03] That'll probably be an in
1818 to possibly 24 month
[29:07] initiative, again
the first piece
[29:09] of housing capacity analysis
that will be starting in April.
[29:13] And obviously
council and planning
[29:16] commission and the
community will be really
[29:18] involved with that portion.
[29:20] There'll be a lot of
outreach and a lot of data
[29:23] sorting through and
whatnot, large lot
[29:26] industrial infrastructure.
[29:28] You have to follow through
with what the state
[29:31] requires as far as density.
[29:33] Or can we do realistic
stuff to be determined.
[29:39] Chances are when we do the
housing production strategy
[29:42] again, that's when we're going
to be looking at action items
[29:45] to get more housing
built. We may talk
[29:48] about what we do with density.
[29:50] I don't know yet, but that
could be a while beyond density.
[29:54] What about housing types.
[29:55] Because not every house
that we're producing
[29:57] is for a workforce
or affordable buyer.
[30:00] So we have to have all types
of housing for all types
[30:02] of people that live here.
[30:03] Where does that fit into this.
[30:05] I think that's going to be the
first part really is examining
[30:09] what we have on the ground
now and how much land we have,
[30:13] and that will give us
that good base knowledge.
[30:16] We have pushback
with that knowledge.
[30:18] Then if we have all
this workforce housing
[30:20] that we've just committed to.
[30:21] So now we need to
maybe build some
[30:24] beyond middle housing homes that
are on 6,000 square foot lots.
[30:28] I mean, that seems
like a luxury today.
[30:30] So we'll just go with 6,000.
[30:34] I like that line of
questioning because right now,
[30:40] if I go downtown to ask
people, they're going to be
[30:43] more affordable than to do it.
[30:48] And we do build
apartments all the time.
[30:53] Yeah do we track vacancy in
our apartments Yes we do.
[31:01] You can get the data through
American Community Survey.
[31:04] They track vacancy rates.
[31:05] Perfect thank you.
[31:06] I think one thing
that I think council
[31:08] is as we go into this year
and work on these plans,
[31:12] where can council begin to more
exert kind of their policy ideas
[31:17] into some of these as
they get developed.
[31:20] So yeah, Corey and I are
working with a consultant
[31:24] right now on that scope of
work, and there definitely
[31:26] is areas where council are
going to need policy buy in
[31:30] and whatnot.
[31:32] And we're getting close
to reviewing that now.
[31:37] But yes.
[31:40] OK I'll ask you.
[31:41] So in terms of these
plans whether it's
[31:44] the capacity the capacity
analysis right to build out
[31:47] and the time frames, I
think it'd be helpful,
[31:50] I think for them to just
build another, oh, hey,
[31:52] come May, June with a
couple of these plans
[31:55] here, that's when
we can really dig in
[31:57] and try and cure
your preferences.
[31:59] Council and how we try
to align these plans
[32:02] with your preferences
as we go forward.
[32:03] I think that's just
if you can give
[32:06] an idea of that
trajectory to them
[32:08] today that will help them
think about the upcoming year.
[32:12] And when that happens,
I would certainly
[32:13] invite the planning commission
members to participate in that.
[32:17] Just so we're all on the
same page to the best extent,
[32:21] greatest extent possible.
[32:23] 
[32:28] Can you want to hit
a couple of those.
[32:30] 
[32:33] So like the development
applications
[32:36] when do we anticipate
those going to council.
[32:40] Those will be mid-year
and probably at that point
[32:46] probably a little too soon.
[32:50] Probably a little too soon
before we weigh into more
[32:52] of the policy discussion
as part of the housing
[32:55] capacity analysis.
[32:56] 
[33:03] Is there any point on.
[33:05] And I'm going to ask it
like the slow kid that I am.
[33:08] There any point on there where
we get to have an opinion.
[33:11] Because that's the
part where I mean,
[33:12] because it does
kind of sound like
[33:13] it's just being
prescribed to us and then
[33:17] as directed by the state.
[33:20] And I guess that's my question.
[33:21] And that's I think a lot
of that's going to be,
[33:23] again, that housing production
strategy, where right now
[33:27] the capacity analysis
is basically gathering
[33:29] all the information, existing
data, looking at PSU population
[33:35] numbers and the projection
of the needed housing
[33:38] within the last 20 years.
[33:40] The second piece of that is
going to be very policy heavy,
[33:43] and that's going to involve
a lot of councils thoughts
[33:48] and on how are we going to
meet the targeted needs.
[33:52] But we're going to be
given the target to meet.
[33:55] We just have to decide
the pain threshold.
[33:57] Yeah, a lot of it.
[33:58] Yeah what I'm hearing
is a very small
[34:02] window, is what I'm hearing.
[34:05] The first half is just data
collection and analysis.
[34:09] 
[34:12] Windows and prisons.
[34:14] I'm actually what I
was thinking that is
[34:15] like when I. When my wife says,
do you want to go out to dinner.
[34:19] I say, yes.
[34:20] And I say, where
do you want to go.
[34:21] And she says, it doesn't
matter, but it does matter.
[34:23] I can pick anywhere I want.
[34:24] That's what she wanted to go.
[34:26] So yeah.
[34:27] 
[34:30] Yeah the last three items
in that second category,
[34:36] these are the large light
industrial infrastructure master
[34:39] plan.
[34:39] Jessica and her team have
been working on that.
[34:41] And we're getting closer
to adoption phase, which.
[34:45] So we're targeting spring
late spring for that.
[34:49] The West Redmond area plan,
as I mentioned earlier,
[34:51] that's going to be an
initiative that we pick back up.
[34:54] We had to press pause on
that a couple years ago
[34:56] because we were doing the
collection system master
[34:58] planning, and we
had to have a better
[35:00] idea of the infrastructure
needs in that part of town
[35:03] before we proceeded with
the planning of that area.
[35:07] So we'll look to pick that
up spring, summer and then
[35:11] parks master plan, I think.
[35:13] I don't have a timeline on
that, but I think we're still
[35:16] looking to take that back
to the adoption process
[35:20] sometime this year.
[35:23] I think that's a
great discussion.
[35:24] I think some of the things we've
looked at is we look at master
[35:27] plan updates as
being ready to update
[35:28] our SDCS in order to support
the projects that are in those.
[35:31] So I think there's a larger
conversation at work there
[35:34] that would help fill
out that line item
[35:37] and listen differently.
[35:40] But I have no comment.
[35:45] 
[35:48] And then the last portion here,
development code amendments
[35:53] annexation ordinance, which I'll
talk about here in a little bit.
[35:56] Corey and I have been working on
getting a draft ready for that.
[36:01] And then the second one, this
is, for lack of better words,
[36:03] we're calling the housing in
the neighborhood design package.
[36:06] This is really that
comprehensive look
[36:07] into the development code.
[36:09] And when we think
about the design
[36:10] and feel on how we
design our neighborhoods,
[36:14] this would be the
examination of basically
[36:17] all of our zoning standards.
[36:18] And so that'll be a
comprehensive look with a lot
[36:22] of stakeholder involvement.
[36:24] And obviously APA will be
part of that discussion,
[36:26] which is just beginning.
[36:29] And then related to that
defensible space standards.
[36:32] This is around wildfire.
[36:34] This is where if you
think about firewise,
[36:36] communities, and vegetation.
[36:38] And that sort of
thing, sisters has
[36:39] adopted a defensible
space standards
[36:42] in their development code.
[36:43] And that's becoming
much more common.
[36:45] And we're working closely
with Tom Mooney and the fire.
[36:48] So if we adopt
something like that.
[36:51] Does it become Citywide,
or can we actually
[36:53] put it in areas that are more
prone to dry Canyon developments
[36:59] and things like that.
[36:59] Or it's one and done.
[37:01] It would be the entire city.
[37:03] That just helps my brain.
[37:04] That's all good.
[37:07] And then the last one, this
is updating the city County
[37:10] joint management agreement.
[37:11] This is a big initiative.
[37:14] It's been on the table.
[37:15] This would really be
working very closely
[37:17] with the County board
of County Commissioners
[37:20] and their planning staff.
[37:21] And really, this is a
joint management agreement
[37:24] on how we administer
the land use regulations
[37:28] in our urban growth
boundary, lands
[37:30] that have yet to be brought
into the city limits.
[37:32] So that's a lot of
that's procedure
[37:34] and that sort of thing.
[37:36] So that December time
frame would be a good place
[37:39] to placeholder to 1,200 acres.
[37:43] Yeah I agree because we're
having that conversation.
[37:47] 
[37:50] One quick thing
for clarification
[37:51] to last week or two weeks.
[37:55] Couple of weeks ago, excuse
me, when we had the folks that
[37:59] came in and talk about
updating our building code
[38:02] to include 327 of the
building code, which
[38:07] is the fire firewise hardening.
[38:09] I just wanted to make it kind of
clear to what is here as far as
[38:14] dispensable, defensible space.
[38:16] I can say that is
more of a land use
[38:20] where the other one is
building is a building code.
[38:25] We have 327 in there anywhere.
[38:27] So 327 and so that's where.
[38:30] So to answer that a little bit.
[38:33] So I've been working
with Alex on 327
[38:36] right now the state
is going to be
[38:40] updating the Residential Code.
[38:42] That will be something we
don't have a choice on to adopt
[38:46] that will be
adopted, that will be
[38:49] done by the state on October 1.
[38:52] What Alex and I
were talking about,
[38:55] typically when we do
discretionary code adoptions,
[38:59] we usually do a six month
notification to say here,
[39:05] council will adopt this
with a six month lead,
[39:09] to where it's voluntary
before it comes home.
[39:12] And that gives us an opportunity
for the building department
[39:16] to set up training,
education over that course
[39:19] of period of time to get the
builders, vendors, all of that.
[39:24] With that said, in
order we thought
[39:27] it would be good that when
the residential building
[39:29] code excuse me, when the.
[39:33] Yeah, the residential
building code on October one
[39:36] is if we as council
if you all adopt 327
[39:42] and we bring that to you in
May with some public outreach
[39:48] between now and then with
the builders and the vendors
[39:50] and so forth, then that we
would be able to have the summer
[39:55] to educate, and then it would
go into actual at the same time,
[39:59] the residential.
[40:00] So with our production builders
and I actually sound like a fan
[40:04] right now, but I think to
be a conscientious partner,
[40:07] they often store and stock lots
of supplies, so that six month
[40:13] window may not be enough
time for them to work
[40:15] through what they
do have on hand,
[40:18] and may put them in a
situation of having things
[40:21] that they have to dispose
of that are not usable.
[40:24] I'd like to try to figure
out a way not to do that,
[40:27] because that becomes
non cost effective later
[40:29] for purchasers in the area.
[40:31] And I think through our
outreach starting next month,
[40:35] which is a couple days from
now as we start in March, as we
[40:39] with coba and all of
the different folks
[40:43] start doing that outreach.
[40:45] We can identify what is that.
[40:48] What is that appropriate leg.
[40:51] And, and again, we've
really looked at this.
[40:55] Alex and I have gone
through that code really
[40:59] exterior siding is the primary
thing that will impact builders,
[41:08] especially what I would call the
lower end production builders.
[41:13] But the other night
they said 2% to 3% $400.
[41:22] Would you be able to.
[41:23] And you said you looked
at and said would you
[41:26] be able to come back
with us and let us
[41:28] know what it's going to cost.
[41:31] Yeah and I can
certainly do that.
[41:32] I will just tell you, not to get
into too much detail is you will
[41:37] hear 15% to 20% from a builder.
[41:42] That would be what the cost is
for just one particular element.
[41:46] An example of deciding to go
from what typically they're
[41:51] using now is about a
$40 piece of siding,
[41:57] and it goes up to a
$50 piece of siding.
[42:00] That won't be the cost
for the whole house.
[42:03] That's just a cost for
one building element.
[42:05] And so they're focusing on the
element, which is good to know.
[42:08] It would just be
interesting to see the cost
[42:10] analysis for an entire unit.
[42:11] I do and I don't want to hurt
the projection builders that
[42:14] are here and have their
annexations approved
[42:16] and their buildings
coming out of the ground,
[42:18] and all of a sudden now
we're pulling the rug out
[42:20] from underneath
them and the cost
[42:22] and prices are going to go up.
[42:24] So, like I said, intuitive
to what I normally would say.
[42:27] I would like to give
them some notice.
[42:32] I know we're acting
strange today.
[42:34] I just don't know what to say.
[42:37] Something's in the air.
[42:38] 
[42:40] Anything else.
[42:41] That's it.
[42:42] It's Juniper pollen.
[42:43] It's in the air.
[42:44] It's from my face.
[42:48] Do you want to go
over the budget.
[42:50] Was there a budget or.
[42:52] Well I'll start.
[42:53] I got chief and I got
Steve, who are going to talk
[42:56] about some individual items.
[42:57] So on March 10, we'll
bring a pretty big budget
[43:03] adjustment request to council.
[43:06] Some of the items that I
can just briefly talk about
[43:10] is the wetlands complex.
[43:13] With this good weather, we are
really doing well out there,
[43:18] but we need to bring about
7 million of that project
[43:22] into the budget that we had
planned for in next year.
[43:25] So yeah, so we have a
loan obviously, that we
[43:30] can draw on for that project.
[43:33] The other one, and we had
this in our five year CIP,
[43:36] a couple weeks ago
with the council.
[43:39] The East side arterial council's
been approving those GMPs.
[43:44] I think a year ago
we were at 38 million
[43:47] and now we're showing
at 42 million.
[43:50] That's all in that CIP.
[43:51] But we need to adjust the
budget a little bit for that.
[43:56] Yeah so you don't get paid
for a million this year.
[43:59] All right.
[43:59] So is that because
of the addition
[44:02] of the airport way in 19.
[44:05] Yeah, there's.
[44:06] Well, that one was assumed.
[44:08] I think it's just the
complexity of the project.
[44:12] We had to buy some
land, those sorts
[44:15] of things that were as
we get into these GMPs,
[44:18] we're truing it up.
[44:21] The top tracer will have
to adjust the budget.
[44:23] Council's already approved that.
[44:25] And then I think,
Steve, we're going
[44:27] to go to you on the one item.
[44:29] So I'll tee it up
with and I have
[44:32] at the end of these two
presentations we can
[44:34] talk about how much is left.
[44:36] But basically, we've
had that 4.4 million
[44:39] from the public safety savings.
[44:43] Now there is 2.4 million left.
[44:48] If we get the North point
utilities back with land sales,
[44:51] we'll have 3.3 million left.
[44:55] So we expect that most likely
in the next three years,
[44:58] probably some next year.
[45:01] But we've got two
items to talk about.
[45:04] The first one is the desert
rise in 17th Street cleanup.
[45:09] So I'm going to
give it to Steve OK.
[45:13] Devin and I will tag team
a little bit on this,
[45:15] but obviously as we're
getting close to well,
[45:20] the managed camp is generally
done with construction
[45:24] pending a few punch list items.
[45:27] And as I think it's been
presented last week,
[45:31] we're looking I
think it's Friday,
[45:33] Thursday or Friday this week.
[45:36] The RFP comes in regarding
operators, as been mentioned
[45:42] in the conversations,
is the County has
[45:45] already what I would
call a soft closure
[45:50] on some of the DSL property.
[45:51] When I say closure,
notifying folks,
[45:54] not saying you must
be out yet, but say,
[45:56] hey, don't settle
in too much, don't
[46:00] set up new encampments
here because we're
[46:02] going to be moving.
[46:03] You don't want to move twice.
[46:04] And they've already
started helping assisting
[46:08] the relocation of that.
[46:11] With that in mind, we
are also are very aware
[46:16] of the amount over the
course of the last 18 months,
[46:21] the amount of new residents
on the desert rise
[46:24] property, it's sort of exploded.
[46:27] I believe we have
about 40 encampments
[46:30] right now when I
first started here,
[46:34] we had about 10 encampments.
[46:37] That's only been a year.
[46:38] So it's really.
[46:40] How many of these
are creeping from.
[46:42] Bend is bend is closed down.
[46:44] I know that there's been a few.
[46:48] Obviously, Natalie is one who
kind of has been able to track
[46:51] a little bit, and Devin might be
able to speak what his team has
[46:55] seen, but there has been a few
that we know of and some of them
[46:59] I couldn't tell you
where they came from.
[47:02] But with all that said, with
the managed camp coming online,
[47:08] and really that's the Nexus for
us to start moving folks off
[47:13] and some other instances that
I'll let the chief talk to you
[47:16] about is some of the concerns
that PD has with why we need
[47:21] to make this kind of a sooner
than later aspect of clearing
[47:27] out desert rise in 17th Street.
[47:29] So I'm going to kick
it to you, Devin,
[47:31] if that's appropriate
time just for my knowledge
[47:33] or anybody is does it rise.
[47:37] Yes I would call the office.
[47:40] Thank you.
[47:42] I'm just trying to
figure out direction
[47:43] of where does it rises.
[47:46] South of midline.
[47:49] So here's midline right there.
[47:52] And this is desert rise.
[47:57] This 40 acres right here.
[48:00] Yeah right there.
[48:03] Yeah so yeah.
[48:06] So that area in the 17th Street.
[48:08] So just to build on
what Steve Shane said,
[48:11] we're wanting to learn to take
a more proactive approach.
[48:14] As we talked about with
County, completing one job.
[48:21] Sorry this is a lot.
[48:23] 
[48:27] OK, so it's two pages.
[48:30] Oh, no, I. Can't
pass out paper today.
[48:37] He's missing his heart.
[48:38] Does anyone else need anything.
[48:41] I should take off.
[48:43] Keep going.
[48:45] So anyways, I know we're
pressed for time, but.
[48:48] So, yeah, we're going to take
a proactive approach that you
[48:50] already kind of
got the background
[48:52] with what County started doing.
[48:53] And so obviously we've
had it's not a secret.
[48:58] We've had multiple
shootings out there.
[49:01] And we're concerned again with
this increase of population
[49:05] moving back in towards the city.
[49:08] And with the Manage
camp coming online,
[49:10] we want to take a proactive
approach and get 17th
[49:12] Street and the area
all cleared out
[49:18] and start working on that now.
[49:22] And so timeline would be we
get out there and in March.
[49:26] Kind of let them
know what's going on.
[49:28] Communicate with
service providers.
[49:30] Start working on that outreach
for the first 30 days,
[49:32] pretty much all of March,
just letting them hey,
[49:34] this is coming.
[49:36] You got to worry
about the camp or they
[49:39] but just reinforcing all the
different resources we have
[49:44] between Bethlehem and
shepherd's house, safe parking,
[49:47] manage camp, Oasis
village, things like that.
[49:51] And then come in April.
[49:54] Then in April, we'll
go ahead and start
[49:57] working with in-person,
giving them actual handouts,
[50:02] in-person contact.
[50:04] Natalie will be back
to work in April
[50:06] so she can start
making contacts as well
[50:09] and trying to again
let people hey,
[50:13] we're going to start moving you.
[50:15] We want everybody out
of here by June 1.
[50:17] June 1 is when it's going to
all be closed and cleaned.
[50:20] And we want to we'll be
trying to do obviously
[50:23] some cleaning ahead of time.
[50:25] Like, we'll get
dumpsters out there.
[50:27] If not only work with people,
if there's a few stragglers
[50:30] left behind.
[50:31] We're not going to offer this
up front, cause we don't want,
[50:33] we've been taking
advantage of this before.
[50:35] But as we get closer,
once we get into May,
[50:38] we start posting final notices.
[50:40] There's a handful of people
out there that are like, look,
[50:42] I'm trying to go.
[50:43] I just I can't go.
[50:44] Like, I need a car
battery or I need a tow,
[50:48] or I need a tire or something
like that, or I need some gas.
[50:51] At that point, cost
of doing business
[50:54] will take care of that to
help that person get off.
[50:56] We're not going to
offer that because we've
[50:59] been burned with that before.
[51:01] Ideally, if we go through the
notices we'll have I said,
[51:06] we'll put may 1 be the final
notice, get people moving.
[51:09] Hopefully we'll
have another notice
[51:11] on May 15th with
being the June 1 being
[51:15] where everyone has to be out.
[51:16] And then we'll
follow that back up.
[51:18] And obviously on June one
people are still haven't left
[51:21] and then we can start working
on potential abatement
[51:24] warrants on criminal trespass,
arrests, things like that.
[51:27] Obviously last resort.
[51:29] We're looking for compliance.
[51:30] I think we've shown a good
history over the last few years
[51:33] when we've had to clear our
areas of getting good compliance
[51:35] and not having to resort to
that type of enforcement.
[51:40] But ideally, that's
what we want to do.
[51:41] We're trying to get this done
now so we don't continue to see.
[51:45] We understand it's kind
of like whack-a-mole.
[51:47] You push a balloon and
it goes to one side.
[51:49] But if we don't start to do
this joint effort, not really
[51:52] joint effort, but do it at the
same time as the County is,
[51:55] I think we're going to
be behind the eight ball,
[51:57] and then we're going
to move into summer,
[51:59] and then we're going to
be worried about fire
[52:00] danger and things like that.
[52:02] So that's the plan.
[52:04] Yeah so so what we're
here today to ask you
[52:06] one is and this is why
this is on the budget,
[52:09] is we're going to jump
right in here to the budget.
[52:11] But it's also
obviously making sure
[52:13] you guys are comfortable
with the plan
[52:15] that we just kind of laid out
about how we're going to start
[52:20] again, very similar
to how we've done it
[52:22] in the past with outreach
through our service providers,
[52:26] with a little bit of a softer
approach at the very beginning,
[52:28] making sure we
are respectful, we
[52:31] are humane in the fact of giving
opportunities to relocate.
[52:35] And then it becomes a much
more stern enforcement
[52:38] with the goal to have
folks off by one of June
[52:43] in order to do that.
[52:45] As we learn from several of
these endeavors in the past,
[52:49] it doesn't come without cost.
[52:52] There's a cleanup cost,
there's rehabilitation costs.
[52:55] And just the practical side
of it, as Jason put on,
[53:01] we are estimating that cost.
[53:03] And we feel this is a
very conservative number.
[53:06] I'd like to say we will be
able to come below this number.
[53:10] But what we're looking
at about $150,000,
[53:13] and that is a combination of
the outreach in the beginning,
[53:18] getting signage up, getting
notification and that outreach,
[53:22] obviously getting similar
to what we did on the core
[53:25] three property with the County.
[53:27] What we did on
Sixth and Umatilla,
[53:29] setting up the dumpsters out
there to help us get people
[53:33] to put stuff in the dumpsters
to get stuff cleared up,
[53:37] knowing that we will have a
significant impact of solutions
[53:42] and towing, that we
will have to have
[53:44] abandoned stuff and the
stuff that's left behind
[53:47] and that is costly.
[53:49] And then the other thing that
you will also see on there
[53:52] is then we have the opportunity.
[53:54] How do we keep people
from coming back on
[53:56] and continually chasing them.
[53:59] And it's the opportunity
to actually get
[54:00] that desert rise
property in a condition
[54:03] and in a marketable condition.
[54:06] And that includes things of
actually getting a sign up
[54:08] there that talks about
this property is available
[54:12] and working with Steve
and others to help really
[54:17] start marketing that
in line with what's
[54:19] happening with the DSL property
immediately to the Middle East.
[54:23] And creating some demarcations
out there to make it's
[54:26] different.
[54:27] It's not just out in the dirt.
[54:29] It's actually part of that
industrial zone out there.
[54:33] So there is a lot bit of cost.
[54:35] The only thing else I would say
is you'll see a cost of 17th
[54:38] Street striping we
will be doing with
[54:42] our Northpointe contractor, 17th
Street from maple to Kingwood.
[54:46] That is already planned to
be striped with bike lanes
[54:51] on both sides of the road.
[54:52] Bike striped street
with bike lanes
[54:55] does not accommodate parking,
and it would make sense
[54:59] because it's the same basically
connection of that road all
[55:02] the way to I believe
it's Greenwood where
[55:04] dead ends to the
South, 17 dead ends
[55:10] into this desert rice property.
[55:12] We would continue that
striping and that no parking
[55:15] along that section as well.
[55:17] And we would make that as
part of the contractors.
[55:19] We'd add that onto
the contractor
[55:21] so it could be done most
efficiently on that.
[55:27] So that gets to that gets
to where Jason started
[55:32] off the money side of it.
[55:33] We just wanted to
obviously let you
[55:36] guys know how we're
going to do is make sure
[55:38] that this approach is
reasonable and meet
[55:42] your guys' expectations.
[55:43] And with that,
I'll stop talking.
[55:45] Question yes.
[55:45] Where are you moving to.
[55:48] Well, what you'll
see on that first map
[55:50] where it says green
zone, that is,
[55:52] the area in which the County has
is basically relocating people.
[55:57] We won't actively say
go here, we'll just say
[56:02] you can't go in the red zone.
[56:04] They will most likely be
moving into that green zone.
[56:09] That would be my.
[56:10] 
[56:14] That's right.
[56:15] Well yeah, we're telling
them the red zone is we're
[56:20] telling you can't go there.
[56:22] If we tell someone go here,
then we're responsible.
[56:25] If something happens to
them, if they go there.
[56:27] But what we can do is say
can't go to these other places,
[56:31] and then we're not
responsible if something
[56:33] happens to them someplace else.
[56:36] Can't from.
[56:40] So there's.
[56:44] Yeah we can prevent it with it.
[56:45] Yeah we can prevent
it within reason.
[56:49] I mean we can't if somebody just
lays down for it takes a nap.
[56:53] We can't say you need to
get out of here, but we can.
[56:56] So you can't live here, right.
[56:58] It's been.
[56:59] And I'm just using
him as an example
[57:01] because I've seen him or her.
[57:03] I haven't slowed down, but
there for several days.
[57:07] And so I can remove
those people.
[57:10] Yeah so.
[57:12] And they do.
[57:13] I know that our officers are
out there moving people along
[57:15] that maybe they just
haven't encountered,
[57:18] or maybe they're not
there when they are.
[57:20] I wasn't concerned
about that one.
[57:21] I was just thinking in general.
[57:23] In general.
[57:24] Yeah so the manager.
[57:26] Yes, sir.
[57:28] There is the way
that I understand it.
[57:31] And maybe you have more
up to date information,
[57:33] but the last information
I had as of Thursday,
[57:37] there was one submission
and several no
[57:39] thank yous for the RFP.
[57:42] 
[57:45] What happens to this
budget and this plan
[57:48] if there isn't a qualified
entity to run the management.
[57:52] Yeah and so the conversation
to be determined,
[57:56] however the
conversation is there.
[58:00] The County is aware
that we're not
[58:02] going to build this
managed camp and not
[58:05] open up this managed camp.
[58:06] It may be an interim solution.
[58:09] Such as a security
and a manager.
[58:14] Not necessarily a lot
of case management.
[58:16] A lot of that stuff in
order to stand it up.
[58:21] As we continue to work on some
of that case management program,
[58:26] I actually just had a
conversation with Natalie
[58:28] today off the clock
to as far as what
[58:35] some of the
practicalities she sees,
[58:38] it was actually quite
encouraging about how she feels.
[58:41] It could be done pretty.
[58:44] It doesn't have to be
overly complicated.
[58:47] So there is some options.
[58:50] If we don't we'll look like
something no matter what OK.
[58:53] And does that meet the criteria
to say you don't have to go home
[58:57] but you can't stay here.
[58:58] Yes it's not like the
old Martin v Boise days
[59:01] where it was one for one.
[59:03] It's now you have to be
reasonable in your approach.
[59:05] Yeah OK.
[59:11] Any other questions
on budget adjustments.
[59:14] Nope we got one more.
[59:16] One more.
[59:16] Oh, we got more.
[59:19] Speed up.
[59:19] Jason it's for speed up.
[59:23] Yeah so here I come back
to all of you again.
[59:28] We're going through a five year.
[59:29] We're going through next
year budget forecast
[59:31] and 5 year budget forecast.
[59:33] We started looking
at things that
[59:34] had been on the five
year that were coming
[59:36] up this year or next year.
[59:37] And we're trying to figure out,
looking at the budget, what
[59:41] might be a good way of trying to
get some of these items acquired
[59:47] before the next year
or 2, or maybe it's
[59:49] going to end up helping
us be able to reallocate
[59:52] those other dollars for
something different.
[59:54] And so while we were
going through this,
[59:56] we had the idea of
budget adjustment
[59:59] using some of those savings
to offset some of these costs.
[1:00:03] So to go through the
list evidence van.
[1:00:05] We put that on about
four years ago.
[1:00:08] Currently, when we do
large search warrants,
[1:00:10] our detectives are
working a major crime.
[1:00:12] We're usually
taking things back.
[1:00:13] Either we'd have to
use one or two CSOs
[1:00:16] and load up a couple
of our CISO trucks.
[1:00:19] We have to go grab
our training utility
[1:00:22] trailer, which has all
our training gear in it,
[1:00:24] and then try to put
evidence in that.
[1:00:26] And we have the detectives just
loading up their detective cars
[1:00:30] with stuff.
[1:00:31] So we've talked about
this for a while.
[1:00:32] We just honestly haven't
really had it in the budget.
[1:00:35] We've had it for the
2026 27 fiscal year.
[1:00:40] But we knew, again, looking
at that next year's budget,
[1:00:43] we're probably going to have
to get pushed out another year.
[1:00:46] And so we wanted to bring
that forward and see
[1:00:48] if we could get that
done, because obviously
[1:00:51] we're having more major cases.
[1:00:54] We're seeing more of a
need for the evidence.
[1:00:57] And then with the evidence, now
that we can't take our evidence
[1:01:02] over to Salem anymore,
the evidence that
[1:01:05] needs to be destroyed.
[1:01:07] There's a potential.
[1:01:07] They're going to have to start
making trips up to Spokane
[1:01:10] to get that destroyed.
[1:01:12] And so I want them to have a
vehicle that is obviously going
[1:01:15] to be able to make that trip,
as well as take all the evidence
[1:01:18] they need all in one fell swoop.
[1:01:21] So we've got the
evidence van on there.
[1:01:22] That's the ask for that.
[1:01:25] So radio I know we just talked
about doing portable radios,
[1:01:28] and we're working on
trying to finalize
[1:01:31] if we're going to go with
Harris or Motorola on those.
[1:01:34] We're waiting to see how
that goes for our radios,
[1:01:36] portable radios.
[1:01:37] These are in-car radios.
[1:01:39] Some of our in-car radios are
older, need to be replaced.
[1:01:43] And then that also
that's 19 of them
[1:01:45] and then five new vehicles
we anticipate getting
[1:01:48] online over the next two years.
[1:01:50] So this is essentially
what we projected
[1:01:53] for fiscal year 2627 and 2728.
[1:01:57] Kind put that together.
[1:01:59] And that should you'll see on
the next line item as well.
[1:02:02] Once we get our new
portable radios purchased.
[1:02:04] That wasn't for every.
[1:02:05] That wasn't enough
to get every person
[1:02:07] in the Department a radio.
[1:02:08] It was to get every police
officer and Detective radio.
[1:02:12] But this would allow us
to get all of our staff,
[1:02:15] including our
non-sworn, our CSOs.
[1:02:19] And then also have some
spares for when ones go down
[1:02:21] or as we continue to hopefully
grow and hire people.
[1:02:25] So that next slide line item
for additional portable radios.
[1:02:28] And like I said,
those are both trying
[1:02:29] to look at next fiscal year
2627 and 2728 forecasts.
[1:02:36] When it comes to drones.
[1:02:37] Drones have gone up a lot
because the one the main reason
[1:02:42] was we used to be
able to get them
[1:02:43] from different
makers out of China,
[1:02:45] and we can't do that anymore.
[1:02:47] So now the American Made
drones cost a lot more money.
[1:02:50] And so looking at what the
drone program, what they need
[1:02:55] to replace their older
drones and to get drones
[1:02:57] that are going to be able to.
[1:02:59] You, I guess a
variety like we have.
[1:03:03] We'll have a couple
of different drones.
[1:03:05] One, we have our larger
drones and we can fly up.
[1:03:07] They have a larger battery life.
[1:03:10] They can get up
and they can stay
[1:03:11] up in flight for up to 30
minutes at a time, a lot more
[1:03:14] than the 10 to 15 that
our current ones can do.
[1:03:16] If we're doing
that, then we're not
[1:03:17] having to bring
them back and land
[1:03:19] and replace batteries
as much when we're on,
[1:03:21] like a critical incident.
[1:03:22] So just improves that officer
safety for working a large,
[1:03:27] either a large crime
scene or maybe we have
[1:03:29] a large motor vehicle crash.
[1:03:32] We always can fly
the drones up and try
[1:03:34] to get a nice overview
and a good outline
[1:03:37] for our crime scene mapping.
[1:03:39] And then this also includes
smaller drones where we can
[1:03:43] get them to fly inside houses.
[1:03:46] So when we have somebody who's
barricaded and won't come out,
[1:03:48] we can get these drones
that can fly inside
[1:03:49] again, longer battery life.
[1:03:51] Also, they've got the
different capabilities
[1:03:53] of infrared heat sink, heat
sensors and things like that.
[1:03:59] So again, something that was on
this year's budget that we knew.
[1:04:04] Yeah but we're hoping we could
get with this budget adjustment.
[1:04:07] So that's the ask on the
drones for night vision.
[1:04:11] That's another safety item.
[1:04:12] So for our SWAT members on the
team, most of the SWAT team
[1:04:16] now has the night vision
that it's on your helmet.
[1:04:20] It comes down.
[1:04:21] It's a binocular
not a monocular.
[1:04:23] So you have better vision,
better field of view.
[1:04:25] And when you're not
in use can put it up.
[1:04:27] We haven't been able to buy that
for our redmoon cert members
[1:04:31] just because of the cost.
[1:04:32] And it's been something
we've kind of been trying
[1:04:34] to push out and push out.
[1:04:36] And maybe we're going to start
trying to buy a couple this year
[1:04:39] and a couple next year.
[1:04:41] But we thought since
we have these funds,
[1:04:44] we would ask if it'd be
possible to come in and get
[1:04:47] all the members on the team.
[1:04:51] The new night vision.
[1:04:52] So again, it mounts
on their helmet.
[1:04:54] It's just it's
better because right
[1:04:55] now what they have is a
monocular that they have to take
[1:04:57] out, turn on and then hold it.
[1:04:59] So obviously, if you're
holding one here,
[1:05:01] that's not great when you
need to have your hands on,
[1:05:03] possibly like a weapon or
a different type of tool.
[1:05:07] So that's the night
vision we're looking at.
[1:05:10] The dose tower is that's
just a radio tower
[1:05:13] we would put on top of the PD.
[1:05:15] That would increase our radio
signal and our dispatch signal.
[1:05:20] Currently there's some
dead zones around the PD
[1:05:24] that we're hoping to remedy
with these new radios.
[1:05:26] But the dispatch the dispatch
techs recommend a dose tower.
[1:05:32] Anyway, that's going to improve
all of our radio systems
[1:05:37] and including how things are
communicating with dispatch.
[1:05:40] At the PD.
[1:05:42] And so we need to do
that no matter what.
[1:05:45] So we're going to have that now.
[1:05:46] Otherwise, we'll be asking for
it again in next year's budget.
[1:05:49] And then a digital key box is
with being at the New building.
[1:05:53] This is a way to
have all of our keys.
[1:05:56] Like a spare key.
[1:05:57] Like our spare keys.
[1:05:58] Put somewhere.
[1:05:59] So when we had a few weeks
ago or after we moved in,
[1:06:02] we kind of had a
major power failure.
[1:06:05] And so we realized
that the way we have,
[1:06:09] not everybody has a master key.
[1:06:10] And so one of us had to
get called to come out
[1:06:12] of bed in the
middle of the night
[1:06:14] to let people back into the PD.
[1:06:16] And we don't want to
have to do that again,
[1:06:18] but it needs to be meet
certain security requirements.
[1:06:21] So it seems expensive
for a key box,
[1:06:22] but that's how it meets
all the requirements.
[1:06:25] My first question was like,
do I need that on my house.
[1:06:27] Yeah, I right.
[1:06:28] I know.
[1:06:29] So what are those
key rocks outside.
[1:06:32] I made the joke.
[1:06:32] I'm like, can we
just get the frog.
[1:06:34] And you put it under the frog.
[1:06:35] And maybe nobody
in the kids started
[1:06:37] coming home at o'clock AM.
[1:06:38] Good luck.
[1:06:39] 100% yeah.
[1:06:40] I mean, unfortunately, it's
just with law enforcement,
[1:06:44] technology is growing and it's
just become part of what we do.
[1:06:48] And I understand
this is a large ask,
[1:06:50] but we're just trying to
offset the next couple
[1:06:53] of years of budget costs.
[1:06:54] And this is some capital
vehicle equipment
[1:06:58] we thought we could bring.
[1:06:59] And hopefully, if
you guys thought
[1:07:01] it would be a good use of
some of those extra funds
[1:07:03] and we could get
these knocked off
[1:07:05] and we'd be able to
hopefully reallocate
[1:07:07] the budget over the next
couple of years to do that.
[1:07:10] And then.
[1:07:13] The money is, to
my mind, the money
[1:07:15] is police building
and supporting
[1:07:18] that your whole operation.
[1:07:20] So I don't really have
a problem with it,
[1:07:22] but you just said there,
you just finalized it.
[1:07:29] We're going to have to figure
out our budget down the road.
[1:07:32] Yes, you have to.
[1:07:33] You're going to have
to carry yourself
[1:07:35] around, run out of money.
[1:07:37] And that's why we're
bringing a lot of these
[1:07:38] are like one time
costs, so they're not
[1:07:40] going to be reoccurring costs.
[1:07:41] And so that's what
we're trying to I
[1:07:43] hear what you're saying Jay.
[1:07:44] Definitely yeah we can handle
basically replacing the vehicles
[1:07:51] the ones that are in service.
[1:07:52] If we bring along new officers,
the vehicles, what we found
[1:07:56] is there was about $1 million
of over the five years
[1:08:00] that we couldn't afford.
[1:08:01] And this kind of
knocks out almost 60%
[1:08:05] So still some work to do.
[1:08:08] But yeah, our budget
general fund is balanced.
[1:08:13] It's actually running
a slight deficit.
[1:08:16] So these are not
something we can do
[1:08:19] without hurting the financial.
[1:08:22] So for the radios in the
new tower for this cost,
[1:08:25] this doesn't include
service agreements
[1:08:27] and ongoing maintenance.
[1:08:30] No those are going to be
included with what I got
[1:08:32] what we got with the current one
we got from a couple months ago.
[1:08:36] Yeah I was going
to say I just yeah,
[1:08:38] that one I know we've
talked a lot about
[1:08:39] and we are going to
end up signing that.
[1:08:40] We're just again, we're just
doing some final testing.
[1:08:42] It's down to Harrison Motorola,
and we're really just trying
[1:08:44] to figure out what is going
to work most consistently
[1:08:47] and what's going to be safest
and best for our officers.
[1:08:49] Off ramp.
[1:08:50] Because they're out of date.
[1:08:51] So I haven't said no to a
request for the police ever.
[1:08:59] My only concern is we've
spent a lot of money
[1:09:01] on radios and cameras, and
we keep adding to that list.
[1:09:07] And I kind of like
when does everybody
[1:09:11] have the latest and greatest.
[1:09:12] And I mean, is this the last
request for this technology
[1:09:15] that we're going to get.
[1:09:16] Or I would tell you, yes.
[1:09:18] Based off we went
again, we weren't
[1:09:21] planning on bringing this ask.
[1:09:23] But as we started looking
at this type of forecasting
[1:09:26] over the next five
years, like you said,
[1:09:28] we were up over $1 million.
[1:09:30] And so we thought, we
have these funds now.
[1:09:34] It's not a recurring cost.
[1:09:36] So if we can knock
this out, that's
[1:09:37] going to hopefully
help us balance
[1:09:38] the budget moving forward over
the next few fiscal years.
[1:09:40] Well, life cycle.
[1:09:42] Yeah what's the life cycle.
[1:09:43] It is a reoccurring cost.
[1:09:45] I mean, most of these
are more realistic.
[1:09:47] We're going to be five
years plus on those radios.
[1:09:50] They'll probably longer.
[1:09:52] And the camera systems with
that contract with axon, those
[1:09:57] include replacements.
[1:09:58] And that's part of your
ongoing subscription costs.
[1:10:00] Are the maintenance as
part of the agreement
[1:10:02] say you go with
Motorola or the counter.
[1:10:05] Is that part of the agreement.
[1:10:07] The life cycle, the warranty.
[1:10:09] They're not going to switch to
a new technology and they will.
[1:10:13] The warranty, the
warranty and life cycle
[1:10:14] will be in that contract.
[1:10:15] Yes, I guess help
me understand when
[1:10:19] you do a replacement
five or six years
[1:10:20] where that money comes from.
[1:10:23] So at that point, we'll
have to reevaluate what
[1:10:26] we have some of those radios.
[1:10:27] A lot of times if you're
sticking with that same program,
[1:10:29] you can do like a trade
in and get credit for,
[1:10:32] but it's going to
ultimately we'll have to see
[1:10:34] where we're at in or six years.
[1:10:36] OK, great.
[1:10:37] You asked kind of where
the money is coming from.
[1:10:40] General fund.
[1:10:42] General fund.
[1:10:43] Yeah Jason.
[1:10:44] It's going to be fun.
[1:10:45] Yeah, I think it
comes from a different
[1:10:48] it comes from a different
counsel who has to vote.
[1:10:50] Yeah that's different.
[1:10:51] So it's my 19th budget.
[1:10:56] Every single year is a
grind for the general fund.
[1:10:59] So we do an annual
five year forecast.
[1:11:03] So we're going to year
two years from now,
[1:11:07] we're going to probably
start seeing a couple
[1:11:09] of these items coming in.
[1:11:10] We are planning for a drone
program replacement program.
[1:11:16] So yeah, it's general fund.
[1:11:20] And that's the game we play.
[1:11:23] We got to find a way to do it.
[1:11:25] And, thankfully right now we
do have some one time funds.
[1:11:28] So we're thinking
you know officers are
[1:11:31] going to be tough
real tough right now
[1:11:34] to get so thought processes.
[1:11:36] We're doing everything
we can with one
[1:11:38] timeout money to make things a
little bit easier on the staff.
[1:11:41] We have even this cleanup.
[1:11:44] We have a lot of
response calls out there,
[1:11:47] so even that helps them.
[1:11:49] So that's the idea right now is
what can we do with one timeout
[1:11:54] to make it easier on
the staff we have.
[1:11:56] Well, and again, this is
coming from the surplus of what
[1:11:59] was not spent on the building.
[1:12:01] So in my mind, it's their money.
[1:12:05] I mean they saved it.
[1:12:09] And there are things
they need to be
[1:12:11] at the level they need to be.
[1:12:13] And this makes sense if
you're on the fire department.
[1:12:20] Yeah they got
their own problems.
[1:12:25] How much of the eventual
third shift is going to be.
[1:12:30] I mean, will this protect.
[1:12:32] We're talking about adding so
all so this will accommodate.
[1:12:36] So we're not going to
come back with a oh
[1:12:38] now we're adding
another four officers.
[1:12:40] We need to get 5
by for more radios.
[1:12:42] No, this is projecting
on what we're
[1:12:44] hoping we'll be able to add over
the next two years for bodies
[1:12:47] so we can get to that third.
[1:12:48] So we will have
extra, extra equipment
[1:12:50] in anticipation of FTE
being added for the radios
[1:12:54] and body cameras are.
[1:12:54] Then I'm OK.
[1:12:56] I'm good.
[1:12:57] Thank you.
[1:12:57] Good question.
[1:12:58] Thank you.
[1:12:58] That's a good question.
[1:12:59] Are there more questions
on this particularly just
[1:13:04] to clarify too, especially
around the cleanup,
[1:13:08] the homeless 150,000.
[1:13:10] We're just having the discussion
on the budget adjustment.
[1:13:13] It will come before council
on March 10 for approval.
[1:13:16] OK yeah.
[1:13:19] We just wanted to
gut check today
[1:13:21] that we don't bring something
that you're like, no way.
[1:13:24] So I don't see the benefit of
having people leave an area
[1:13:28] and leave all that
debris to blow and go
[1:13:31] and get into our business zones.
[1:13:33] So I think that
that's going to have
[1:13:35] to make sense at some point.
[1:13:38] So it'll come before us March
10 and back to general fund.
[1:13:43] That land is supposed to
be sold for industrial.
[1:13:49] I mean, I don't
$5 a square foot.
[1:13:52] I'm not a commercial.
[1:13:54] I know that's higher.
[1:13:57] Higher OK, so $5 a
square foot is $9 million
[1:14:00] and that's general fund.
[1:14:02] So if we can market that
and someday sell it,
[1:14:07] the grind is a little bit
easier for the general fund
[1:14:09] for a while.
[1:14:10] So yeah, that's
the third reason is
[1:14:13] we get that land in a position
for what it was intended for,
[1:14:17] which is to sell
it for industrial.
[1:14:18] 
[1:14:21] All right.
[1:14:22] We ensure our police drones
so that when they screw up,
[1:14:26] I want to see them fly.
[1:14:27] Went into a house.
[1:14:28] That's pretty good.
[1:14:28] Oh, they do that for photos now.
[1:14:31] My photographers
fly them through.
[1:14:32] They don't usually
have some cracked up
[1:14:34] baseball bat coming after it.
[1:14:37] Have you seen what I missed.
[1:14:38] Well, to be fair, that's true.
[1:14:40] Cat does have a point there.
[1:14:42] All right, if we're done
with budget adjustments,
[1:14:44] we'll move on to
annexation ordinance
[1:14:47] since we still have some time.
[1:14:50] I got it.
[1:14:51] Got more handouts for you today.
[1:14:53] Sure watch this.
[1:14:54] Look at me handout skills.
[1:14:58] Throwing stones.
[1:15:00] Showing up in there.
[1:15:01] Slow down here.
[1:15:04] That's right.
[1:15:05] Just let me just toss
this across that.
[1:15:08] All right.
[1:15:09] So this is more of an FYI
item at this point in time.
[1:15:14] Basically, Corey and myself,
we've been working on actually
[1:15:18] an annexation procedure.
[1:15:19] So remarkably, in
our development code,
[1:15:22] we don't have any language
on how we process annexation.
[1:15:25] So historically, what
we've done is we basically
[1:15:28] direct applied state statute.
[1:15:30] So there was an
opportunity here,
[1:15:33] especially after a
lot of conversations
[1:15:35] we had about annexations
probably a year and a half ago.
[1:15:39] And so we've gone in
and basically we're
[1:15:41] formalizing and codifying
the annexation procedure
[1:15:45] and approval criteria.
[1:15:47] And what you have before
you is the first draft.
[1:15:50] Again, this is kind
of meant for you guys
[1:15:52] to just read digest, because
ultimately this will come back
[1:15:57] to you guys and the
planning commission
[1:15:59] probably in the April
time frame for adoption.
[1:16:03] So I'm not going to
go through all of it.
[1:16:05] But what I do want to
highlight for you guys is
[1:16:08] under the approval criteria,
we have the standard stuff
[1:16:12] that we've been used to.
[1:16:13] But what we did
add in this one was
[1:16:15] a line that basically
says that in order
[1:16:18] to approve the annexation.
[1:16:20] The annexation has to be in
the city's best interest.
[1:16:23] And I know that's
very open ended.
[1:16:25] But really what this means is
that city can't really just ask
[1:16:28] the developer, you
incorporate whatever
[1:16:31] we want in their development.
[1:16:34] We can if it's like within the
bounds of something in our code.
[1:16:38] So for an example, can
you remember a few years.
[1:16:41] Well, actually it was the
spruce Northwest master
[1:16:44] development plan that
Hayden Holmes did
[1:16:45] in the Northwest part of town.
[1:16:47] We had that
conversation about, hey,
[1:16:50] can you incorporate
some commercial
[1:16:51] or some childcare in that.
[1:16:54] And they said, well,
it's zoned residential
[1:16:56] and we're only
interested in doing
[1:16:57] residential in this situation.
[1:16:59] We could have asked for
childcare or limited scale
[1:17:03] commercial because
in conjunction
[1:17:06] with the master
development plan,
[1:17:07] our code does allow for
that as a conditional use.
[1:17:10] So does that make sense.
[1:17:11] We can ask for things.
[1:17:12] So as long as it's within
the bounds of the code
[1:17:15] while we're making code
amendments, this is off topic.
[1:17:18] I apologize.
[1:17:19] Can we with our
limited commercial
[1:17:21] 86 the food carts
and neighborhoods.
[1:17:24] I get so many complaints
about food carts,
[1:17:28] about food carts and
the music, and the late
[1:17:31] night and the 1970s.
[1:17:33] Well, yeah, but the others
as they come will do that.
[1:17:37] I mean, it makes sense that you
don't want to have that next
[1:17:39] to a residential
dwelling if they're
[1:17:41] going to be having
music and chemically
[1:17:44] enhanced happy people.
[1:17:45] 
[1:17:48] That's problematic.
[1:17:49] I mean, I get yeah, but
I guess those were zoned
[1:17:51] commercial from the get go.
[1:17:53] So it's just being
cognizant as we
[1:17:55] but you could make an
Amendment about commercial use
[1:17:57] abutting residential zone.
[1:18:00] If it was an actual
residential house.
[1:18:03] I mean, really, we can dive
right into the standards
[1:18:06] for food carts and
do what we want.
[1:18:10] So yeah, that would be part
of the code Amendment process.
[1:18:14] But specifically with this
is the annexation piece.
[1:18:18] And I'm trying to think we
work with lights on this.
[1:18:23] Dan, from a staff,
staff perspective,
[1:18:27] we feel pretty good about
what we have in front of you.
[1:18:31] I feel like it's getting
close for adoption.
[1:18:35] Ready but again, this was
just more of an introduction
[1:18:38] for you guys and give you guys
the opportunity to take time
[1:18:40] to look through it and come back
with questions for Corey and I.
[1:18:45] And so what I would
want to see is
[1:18:49] how we are interpreting
city's best interest
[1:18:52] because it is open and vague.
[1:18:54] And so what do we currently
today think that might
[1:18:59] mean in an annexation.
[1:19:01] And does it need guardrails
or is it something
[1:19:03] that we just leave open.
[1:19:06] Is it defensible.
[1:19:07] So for interest, for what you're
talking about with food trucks
[1:19:12] next to somebody's house, can
we pull data on how many times
[1:19:15] the house next door has
been put on the market,
[1:19:18] and how it's impacting
residential Every house on 19th
[1:19:22] on that street is going on.
[1:19:23] It's been up twice since
I. Yeah and on that piece,
[1:19:29] the city's best interest.
[1:19:30] The first part of
doing annexation
[1:19:32] is doing the
annexation agreement.
[1:19:34] And that's obviously
before we would
[1:19:36] even Annex A piece of property.
[1:19:38] Council has to
review and approve
[1:19:39] the terms of that
annexation agreement
[1:19:41] in that topic about the
city's best interests.
[1:19:44] That's a good time to have that
discussion on what the city
[1:19:47] council cares about in
terms of potential impacts
[1:19:51] to the annexation.
[1:19:54] What we want to include.
[1:19:55] I guess my concern is I love
that this is written in here,
[1:19:58] but we've said before, these
are the things we'd like to see.
[1:20:00] And we've just been
told, yeah, OK.
[1:20:02] No and they do what
they want to do.
[1:20:03] This is what we're
going to do and this
[1:20:04] is what we're going to annex.
[1:20:05] And we're sorry if you
want it because we're
[1:20:07] not going to give it to you.
[1:20:10] But now that we're codifying
language in the code,
[1:20:12] it's much more defensible.
[1:20:13] Defensible yeah.
[1:20:15] It's defensible.
[1:20:16] We have to have a platform
and have it be defensible.
[1:20:18] Exactly yeah.
[1:20:19] So three or four
years ago, whenever
[1:20:21] we had the initial conversation
about annexations by statute,
[1:20:24] there's four things
that they have to meet.
[1:20:26] And if they meet those
four, we, the council
[1:20:29] can't require anything else.
[1:20:31] They've met the 4 and
two or three of the four
[1:20:33] are really easy.
[1:20:34] It has to be
contiguous to the city.
[1:20:36] It has to be this, that.
[1:20:39] And so they just basically
got automatic entry.
[1:20:42] One of those four things
is complies with city code.
[1:20:45] Our city code was silent so
it automatically complied.
[1:20:48] This closes that.
[1:20:49] So now we're getting language.
[1:20:51] So that fourth requirement
under state law
[1:20:54] actually has something
that they have to comply.
[1:20:56] So this would allow us if they
try to bring in the 1,200 acres,
[1:21:00] to say we want to do it
as a single development,
[1:21:04] not piecemeal.
[1:21:06] We could say it's
in the best interest
[1:21:07] to do a larger master plan
development as opposed
[1:21:11] to 50 acres at a time.
[1:21:14] Maybe I haven't thought
that part through.
[1:21:16] I mean, if they sold
those pieces off,
[1:21:18] then probably not
because they would have
[1:21:21] a 50 acre contiguous piece.
[1:21:23] So it depends on their
approach, I don't.
[1:21:26] I think you're probably worried
about something that's not going
[1:21:29] to happen in the next 10
months, but the or two
[1:21:32] years or five years.
[1:21:33] I mean, the County doesn't
seem interested in that anyway,
[1:21:37] but in theory, possibly, yeah.
[1:21:40] The other thing is I was also
concerned about the city's
[1:21:43] best interest language.
[1:21:44] We didn't invent that.
[1:21:45] We took that from Hillsborough
as well, I like that.
[1:21:49] If we've got if
they challenge it,
[1:21:52] I mean, is it defensible
with the state,
[1:21:55] which we've been
obviously based on.
[1:21:57] I think the state
worked or there was
[1:21:59] somebody pointed us to that.
[1:22:02] It pointed us to our DLCD
pointed us to Hillsborough.
[1:22:06] No, it was an outside
counsel and that they
[1:22:10] had helped draft it.
[1:22:11] And it's my understanding
it's battle tested.
[1:22:15] That was my next.
[1:22:16] Yeah because battle
is it Battle tested.
[1:22:18] And could it be
deemed as arbitrary or
[1:22:20] capricious if this area
over here on the wrap
[1:22:23] is this best interest.
[1:22:24] And this over here on the East
side is this best interest
[1:22:26] and the best interest
are different.
[1:22:28] No, I think that's OK.
[1:22:29] As long as you have findings
that support why it's
[1:22:32] in the city's best interest.
[1:22:34] I like the objective.
[1:22:36] Objective or subjective.
[1:22:39] So yeah.
[1:22:40] Again nope.
[1:22:41] OK give it a read and
look for comments,
[1:22:46] thoughts, questions, concerns.
[1:22:48] I'll just rewrite
the whole thing.
[1:22:50] Yeah, we can do that.
[1:22:51] Is there a show or
show I want to show.
[1:22:56] On annexation ordinance, do
we have any other questions,
[1:23:01] comments before I open the table
for the next seven minutes,
[1:23:05] if there's anything additional
people would like to discuss.
[1:23:08] 
[1:23:12] All right.
[1:23:14] OK, then I'm going to pull an
Ed and say we're adjourned.
[1:23:19] For one.
[1:23:21]