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Panda's
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That sounds better. All right. Why? Oh,
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[laughter]
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» that's dinner. [laughter]

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All right, Megan, you can still hear us.
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» Yes, I can.
>> Yeah, everybody went to go get theirs

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Panda.
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» that sounds good. [laughter]

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any back to don't get yourself.
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» I had such a thick lunch.
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» Was genuinely not hungry. Why did you

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back here?
>> Oh, no. I'm good, thank you. Appreciate

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that.
>> Hey, how are you?

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» How are you?
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coming.
>> How are you?

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» Good. How are you? Good. Good to see
you. Nice to see you.

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» Yeah.
>> Great. Well, that was quick.

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» Would you like me to go back and get you
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» No. No. I I'm good. I'm just I want
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person out, but I kind of do.

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» I just decided Yeah.

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» How you doing?
>> Good. How are you, sir?

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All

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right, Bill. So, is that your serving or
is that the buffet?

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» The buffet.
>> Put it all in one plate.

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» Go back and get some.

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This one.

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» Oh, yeah.

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» You sure?
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yourself.

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When it comes

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» I was the
administration section and a after

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[laughter]
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That's awesome.
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Um,
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a car.

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» Good for you. Yeah.

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» I surprised my wife. Expect me home.
>> You guys are making me feel bad like I

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don't have a good selection.

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» Okay.

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We made it to
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» Which one?

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» Maybe then
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for a map.

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» Beautiful country. Yeah,
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» No, that's okay. We want to have all

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» Greg. Greg sent me the link.

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» We can log me in that better.
Not like

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our first trip.

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» Oh, this is We don't Yeah, we don't want

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» Okay,
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volunteered to come in for help. So
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» all the hotels are gone.
It's got a nice spark to it.

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» You expended any money.
>> Are you backing out?

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» Go to
the bots.

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» Yeah. What's the Microsoft? special

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or fire
edge or not edge but um

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[clears throat]

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» how bad do you want to go?
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push it.

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» You know what? We can type in the link.
I don't think it's that big.

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» Katie,
it is kind of big.

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a retreat.

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associated with this
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» Yeah,
you guys had been to

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how many

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little extra.

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[clears throat]

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» Well, even some of them go up and says

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terrible.
They're trying

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right now.

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» [clears throat]
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» Had a discussion last.
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glad you're here. I've asked
Spencer to just take a quick minute

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before our meeting starts just for both
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quick training. We should have done this
a long time ago right after the

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elections just for anybody that's new,
but but we didn't get it done. So, we're

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going to have him just just real quick
on, you know, what our meetings kind of

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should look like and just some of those
nuances that I think are

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» even going to be quicker than that
today. But just a couple things. So, um

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I think that uh the mayor and I talked
about this. I think there's value in

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having order and decorum in these
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inherent value with that. I think it it
[clears throat] shows that they're

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professional, that they're well
organized. Um, and I think it reflect

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well on the city to have it that way.
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standpoint, um it really helps uh
members of staff who are doing minutes,

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particularly now that AI, the
proliferation of AI,

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uh if we can identify speakers prior to
um questions being asked of staff or

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things like that, they can utilize some
of these programs to really cut down on

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their workload with that. And so, um,
Idaho code 5602, the mayor presides over

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council meetings and sets the order of
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that the council prescribes. Okay, so
the big one is get recognized before you

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speak from a practical standpoint. Uh,
for instance, if Matt or Keith, we'll

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use Keith. If Keith's here and say,
"Hey, Keith, I have a question." And

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then you just ask your question.
I can't tell you how many times Mariana

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and others will say, "Hey, come in. Tell
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or who does this sound like or is that
you speaking there?" And they have to go

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in there and manually do those things.
If you said to the presiding or to being

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recognized by the presiding officer, you
say, "Hey, mayor, may I have I have a

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question?"
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and say we'll hear next from uh council
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» I'll try to do a better job of asking.
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Johnson.
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it makes it easier if they're doing
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of those AI programs, it should be able
to identify because if you're if you're

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essentially describing who you're
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with that process. Number two is more of
a nitpicky thing for me. We get in the

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habit. I don't because it drives me
nuts, but we say who wants to testify or

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neck to testify. We don't testify in
city council testifying if you are sworn

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under oath. We're not swearing anybody
under oath. So, who wants to make it a

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comment? We will take public comment,
not public testimony. So, we're going to

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take public comment. Um or we're going
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deliberation from city council, those
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there's some certain things. And so, uh

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see Devon here. She sent me we do have a
section in the city council handbook

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that goes through kind of our rules of
procedure. in reading through them.

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There's a couple already that I need to
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but I'll have her send that out. That's
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Uh, in some of that, uh, you'll be
reminded on some of the things that we

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we really don't talk about much, but
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maker of the motion speaks first,
members who have not yet spoken get

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priority.
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we have those issues here in city
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somebody is hijacking a meeting and
letting you know the mayor or or uh the

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residing officer, it's supposed to
regulate some of those things where

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there are two opinions, not have one
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give balance and do those types of
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um I would ask that we don't entertain
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planning and zoning um issue because
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hearings um
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getting call outs from the crowd from
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of a mess because even before I can step
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goes with somebody uh and again from a
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happens when uh there's litigation that
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board makes is the court's going to go
through record. See that

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it makes it really hard to get that
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outs from the crowd. If somebody wants
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come up they can state their name give
their address and then pose their

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question. A lot of the time it's when
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I'll typically step in. Um it's becoming
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planning and zoning. Two weeks ago I had
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comment." Talked over me again. Just
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"Hey, we're not doing that." Rushed me
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and I had to act like Colin and get real
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nasty, but I just said, "Hey, we're
we're not doing this. the time for that

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the time for this discussion is over and
then this is what the record won't show

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is then for 25 minutes afterwards Allan
and I meet with them after and we talk

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about every single question we have
staff is is absolutely willing to talk

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through those questions um but have to
keep good record later on that so the

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big ones again the big three takeaways
um get recognized before you speak so

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defer to the mayor at permission or the
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called on so we can get clarity in the
record there. And then again, never

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hurts to have to quum. Number two is
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crowd. And again, I'll have Deb send
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bigger discussion on this later, but I
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to kind of talk on a couple of those
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» Thank you. And I the reason I did that
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legislative hear but you know there's
just this decorum there when they ask to

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be recognized and even the speakers who
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and senators blah blah blah you know and
it's just it's just really nice to have

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that decorum and I think it helps to
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will try to make sure I'm looking both
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discussion is with somebody over here, I
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look down this way as much as I should,
but I'll try to remember to look down

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there down here have questions. You guys
have been pretty good about, you know,

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raising your hand and helping me to see
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we've got for that. Let's just go ahead
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uh this is a combined work meeting with
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City Council. And the first item is uh
we've added an item to talk about surf

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support. So I'm going to go ahead. This
is a a request by the count. You guys go

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ahead and take that. I'm gonna go
>> appreciate you adding that to your

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agenda. We talked about a few weeks ago,
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it. That's all right. You're prepared to
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But given the circumstance that happened
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fire

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was instrumental setting up
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they're here they're citizens
sugar even out

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[clears throat] volunteer organization
and they they're trying now we donated

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fire

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a trader to it. They're trying to out
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They outshined down fire out there. They
outshine cross not with the donation of

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blood
preparation for service by like four

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and they were there. So what we're

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looking at
city council we do give to them

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» thousand
>> yeah it's not a large amount they don't

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need a large talk not talking about
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talking about their level of activity
right now is increasing their membership

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ro they have a teen camp
teenagers prepared first aid emergency

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purposes that come
here for you to consider a donation to a

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certain
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» Well, I'll I will
I I won't say second motion motion, but

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I will second that idea. Uh sir, they
they really are first class going to be

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a lot of really dedicated leaders and
they help us out with some of our city

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events, too. A lot of times they're
there at the marathon and different

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things providing support for medical
teams and things like that. So I

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personally I
support them and help them out what we

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can.
>> Mr. Mayor,

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» yes.
>> Mayor, can I have

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» I'm sorry. Just again, we're talking
about procedure and policy here. We need

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a motion to amend agenda to talk about
this topic.

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» Okay. It was on our agenda but not
theirs. Yeah. Before we go to that,

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» before we talk about that,
>> I was worried that Mr. Ram was making

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all this presentation because the
commissioner

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» nervous about
>> that that was intention. No, I'm just

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kidding.
>> This is Yeah, this isn't God. This is

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their rules in
>> No, no, just kidding. Um, yeah. So, uh,

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I guess we'd probably need to, uh, make
a motion to amend the agenda to include

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item number one as per Idaho State
Statute 74-2044B.

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And, uh, I would imagine we got vote on
that. So, I will call the city council

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to um
to uh, I would entertain a motion in

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front of a city council to amend the
agenda as per this state statute. Is

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there such a motion? That motion would
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» Okay. Thank you, Council Member Ericson.
Is council present. Is there a second to

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that motion?
>> Seconded by council member Rian.

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» Any further discussion on that? Besides
besides Siri.

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[laughter]
All right. All in favor? I of amending

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the agenda. Any opposed?
All right. Thank you.

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» We don't need to amend the agenda
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All right. So, so anyway, we've uh we
won't go through the U information

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again. We'll just uh take that where it
was. So, I don't know if there's any

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other discussion on that that anybody
would like to put forward just to put

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forward to you.
We would suggest and encourage this to

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go back to the city council uh and you
determine amount is they were at the

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350 concert I believe.
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» they're there.
So if city council feels like there is

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up to
donate to them, send to them.

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» Okay. Well, that certainly will merit
some discussion. we'll put it on the

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agenda for a future meeting and and have
some discussions about it and uh decide.

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So, I appreciate you guys bring bringing
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determination and then
just Mr. Mayor.

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» Yes.
>> Just a a question. Uh is certwide

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or nationwide
organization? It's just something that's

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just developed here locally or
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» I think it is. Yeah, I think it is. John
Cartman been heavily involved in many

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years and really does a good job trying
to get he invites anybody to take that

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course to be part of that just be more
aware of

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how respondencies
there's if you go online there's an

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online course you can you can take your
family through and uh it just helps

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teach you and your kids how to how to be
prepared for an emergency, how to help

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yourselves and others before the actual
first responders can get there because

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sometimes
>> it is a nationwide. So, do they receive

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funding either fally or state lines?
>> They don't think so. I think it's all

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» local all
>> I was in served down at Utah. So, is big

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enough that it was down there. So, it's
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» they do most of trades up at the
hospital now. They use their conference

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room which gives them a nice place to do
it.

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» They do a twoe course in the summer.
That's cheer high.

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That's the camps.
>> John has has grown it.

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» My first introduction to it
about seven years and they helped an

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exercise at old seminary.
[clears throat] That gave me an insight

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that seminary
not historic

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structure. And uh they uh
they they were small and he has grown it

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was very
way up. He's like I think he's a region

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director.
>> Yeah.

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» He's grown with somebody. Yes.
>> Yeah. I learned on one evacuation in

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Thornton. They said their job was to be
there first, get it set up, have

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everybody there until until Red Cross
could take over. And as commissioner and

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all mentioned, Red Cross was about four
and a half hours late. So, it was pretty

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much done by the time they got there
with their trailers. And when they

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opened this house
big rock fire

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there weren't very many people that
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remain there

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to make sure

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yeah it's a good organization. So, well,
thank you for bringing that up and we

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will definitely in fact it might even be
worthwhile to have John or the other

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gentleman who's in charge of the local
chapter to come and and just do a quick

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presentation for us.
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» suggest that and just get some more
information of I've seen it.

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» I've seen the you know different places
but I really don't have any idea of what

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they do. Yeah, I think it'd be good for
us to understand it better. Yeah, we

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don't understand it as well as the
county commissioners do. So, that'd be

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good. All right. Well, thank you very
much. Take that under advisement. All

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right. Item A then is review of the West
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we'll turn the time over to Is that
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» Yeah. So, I'll kind of kick things off,
but we're going to turn turn it right

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over to Megan who's joined us remotely.
She's in Boisee. Um she's our attorney

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for urban renewal. um and has drafted
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uh the proposed district. And so, um in
fact, with that, I will go ahead and

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turn the time over to Megan right now.
So, Megan, can you still hear us? Okay,

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» I can. Uh thank you, Scott. Thank you,
uh commissioners and council members. Um

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can you guys hear me? Okay.
>> Yes, we can.

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» Okay. when you all were talking earlier,
it was a little bit difficult to hear

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some of the speakers in the room. Um,
but I couldn't I couldn't tell you which

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side of the room is having the
technical. [laughter]

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So, um, I'll just let you know if I
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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Uh, my name is Megan Conrad. I'm an

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attorney at Elim and Burken Boisey.
address is 251 East Front Street, Boise,

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Idaho 8372.
Really appreciate the opportunity to

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present to both the city council and the
Madison County Board of uh county

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commissioners
um this urban renewal plan for the West

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Highway urban renewal project.
I do want to make it clear that what

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you're reviewing today and what we're
going over continues to be a draft. We

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want to make sure as we move through
this process that to the extent there

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are any questions that pop up that we
can address them on the front end as

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once we kick off the plan approval
process and start moving through all the

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public meetings. It just makes it a
little bit more challenging to uh

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address any substantive changes. Not
that we can't, but I think also having

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early meetings and and just making sure
everybody understands the framework and

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the scope and the purpose of the plan,
it will just help as as we move this

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down the road. Because it's in a plan
form or a draft form, there may be uh

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you may have received a draft with some
drafting comments in there. And I think

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it's important that as we work through
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revenue allocation area, and as we
finalize the project scope, that we're

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making sure the plan narrative is
properly incorporating in a narrative

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format a representation of the economic
feasibility study and the projects that

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are identified in that document, as well
as providing a little bit more

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background on the current conditions. is
pulling from the eligibility study that

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was adopted in 2025.
So we expect there will be some changes

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to this plan but in terms of the
substance of the plan and the purpose

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moving forward um that is what we will
be addressing today and it is it is

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pretty firmed up but just want to have
this opportunity for everyone to offer

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some feedback and ask questions.
The goal of this and and I recognize

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many of you have been through this
process before, but is to move this plan

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all the way through city council
consideration of an ordinance so that

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the plan is established by or before
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So that's the the target of where we are
headed. So before you you have the map

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of the project area. This is overlaid on
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majority, and it is a little bit hard to
see, but it's this um there's a blue

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boundary line that that tracks around
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um it's 840 acres as of right now, and
it does include a mix of current land

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uses. It's generally bounded by 1,00
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on the east, 30,000 west on the western
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boundary. Um, the mix of uses in the
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residential of varying densities, some
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The majority of the parcels are mostly
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of city impact, but we do know there are
a few parcels that are located within

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the unincorporated county that are
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as we discussed and as we talk a little
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boundaries are getting closer to final,
but we are expecting there could be a

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few changes. Although it does appear
that any changes that will occur to the

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bounty boundary are not likely to impact
any of the identified projects that u

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Mr. Kramer will go through when we get
to that section. And that's a a great

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reminder to me that uh the AY's
consultant perspective planning and

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consulting Brad Kramer is in the room
with you all. And as we get to the

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portion of the presentation that
specifically addresses the economic

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feasibility study, we will be
transitioning those pieces of the

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presentation to Mr. Kramer and then I
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with. Um, but as indicated, it's not
expected that any of these changes to

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the parcels included in the district
will have any significant impact on both

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the revenue generation as part of the
study or the plan projects, but

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certainly that's uh something that we're
continuing to monitor as we file the

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boundary.

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» So, next slide. So, where have we been
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general as we talk about urban renewal
planning efforts, we do take it in two

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phases. The first is the eligibility
phase. And eligibility is where you take

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when a third party consultant looks at
the conditions on the ground and makes a

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determination as to whether or not the
statutory conditions are met that would

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warrant establishing an urban renewal
project. So the agency retained a

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consultant perspective planning and
consulting to prepare the study and that

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study the West Highway District
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agency board and was accepted by
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Because of the fact that there are
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corporate boundaries of the city, that
meant that the eligibility study also

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had to be reviewed by the county board
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um and to make the requisite findings
that uh or confirm the findings that

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were in the eligibility study. That
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set it up for city council consideration
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its November 18th, 2025 meeting. And at
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to adopt a resolution making the
findings and directing the agency to

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prepare an urban [clears throat] renewal
plan. So since that time efforts have

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been undertaken uh primarily to identify
the projects to be undertaken during the

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life of the plan because as you know the
statute changed and there has to be

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greater specificity on the front end of
project identification. And so that that

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action has been very thoughtful in terms
of coordinating with both I believe city

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and county uh to to make sure that those
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Um and also as part of this there are
statutory requirements concerning

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agricultural operation properties.
Any parcel that essentially

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has an a exemption requires prop within
the last three years requires the

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property owner to consent to be included
in the district. And to the extent

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consent is not granted by the property
owner then those agricultural properties

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are out. they're not going to be
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area. So, that's a fairly lengthy
process and having conversations with

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the parcels that have been identified as
agricultural operations

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um uh meeting with folks and providing
them with the information to make

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informed decisions as they consider
signing consents.

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So once we finish uh the eligibility
phase and move into planning, next

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slide, we are officially in the plan
approval process phase. And so what has

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been outlined is the next steps of what
I would call the much more public facing

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piece of the plan approval process.
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there was review by the agency board of
the draft plan. Uh, just making sure

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we're going in the right direction and
to prepare a bit for this meeting today.

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after this meeting uh and based on
feedback received here, the goal is to

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present a final product to the agency
board on September 16th for that body's

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consideration of plan approval. And if
approved by resolution,

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uh the plan would be directed to both uh
the mayor and city clerk to process the

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plan on the city side and then also
transmitted to the board of county

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commissioners to take the necessary
steps to uh process the plan on that

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front.
to the extent um the parcels within the

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area of city impact certainly when those
are developed uh coordinate with the

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city planning and zoning but to the
extent there are parcels and there are a

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few that we've identified that are
outside the area of city impact and

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within the unincorporated county um it
is possible that we need to jump through

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the hoop of a check-in with Madison
County planning and zoning for a finding

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that the plan for those parcels is
consistent with the county's

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comprehensive plan. These uh meetings
before planning and zoning both at the

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city and or the county are not uh public
they're not established public hearings.

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It's just a an agenda item on a regular
meeting. And uh the finding is very

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limited. it is limited to whether or not
the proposed plan is in conformity with

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that entity's comprehensive plan. And
typically what we'll see is a resolution

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is signed that has a staff report that
says yes this is consistent with the

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comprehensive plan and then it moves on
because of the county parcels in general

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and uh this body has been through this
step before but the county will be asked

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to consider an intergovernmental
agreement which is actually between the

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county and the city and then there's a
transfer of powers ordinance that that

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would be considered for adoption by the
county board. Um and so tenatively

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looking at around September 28th for the
board of county commissioners to not

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only consider the plan but also that
intergovernmental agreement in the

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transfer of powers ordinance.
The tenative uh date for the city

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planning and zoning meeting or I
shouldn't say tenative. I believe that

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that is pretty firm is uh again like
discussed it would be uh for that body

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to consider the plan's conformity with
the city's comprehensive plan

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and then following that there are two
publica so following that it's really

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teed up for city council public hearing
on the plan and uh prior to the city

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council public hearing at least 30 days
in advance. There has to be a notice

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published in the paper providing notice
to all of the upcoming public hearing

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and then also a copy of the plan, the
agency resolution, the notice of public

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hearing and uh other information that we
have available in including concerning

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the final map and legal. That's all
transmitted to the overlapping taxing

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districts uh for their review. And then
there's a second publication notice of

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the public hearing. And then the again
the public hearing is contemplated for

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to be held November 18th. And then we
follow the city's ordinance approval

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process.

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00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,640
Next slide.

431
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:15,440
So these next two slides uh specifically
call the attention to the overlapping

432
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:23,599
taxing districts of the proposed revenue
allocation area. So these are the taxing

433
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:28,960
districts for city parcels and you'll
see at the bottom that Burton cemeteries

434
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:34,960
in italics. So some of the district
overlays the Rexburg Cemetery district

435
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:38,880
and some overlay the Burton Cemetery
district. And Mr. Kramer will speak a

436
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:43,680
little bit more about this in terms of
the revenue generation projection, but

437
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:48,000
for that purpose, the levy rate for the
Rexburg Cemetery was used because

438
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:53,680
there's just more affected parcels. Um,
so for purposes of a projection, that

439
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:57,359
smaller levy was not used, but certainly
it's an entity that we have to give

440
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:04,240
notice to as part of this process. So
that's that's just why it's in italics.

441
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:10,000
Um, Idaho code 50-2908
identifies with specificity what levies

442
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:17,280
generate revenue for an urban renewal
area. And uh so voter approved levies

443
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:21,760
and bonds have already been subtracted
out of these total levy rates. And to

444
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:25,280
the extent there are any voter approved
bonds during the life of this district,

445
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,400
they will not generate revenue for the
agency.

446
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:34,480
There's also been a few statutory
changes that have some impact here. So

447
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:39,599
for example, uh the ambulance and fire
districts now for new plans moving

448
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:43,280
forward. Those districts have to consent
by resolution to be included within the

449
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:48,560
boundaries of the revenue allocation
area. It's not automatic

450
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:54,560
to be conservative in the revenue
generation revenue generation model. the

451
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:59,040
it has not been contemplated that there
will be a consent resolution requested

452
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:04,000
from the ambulance district and so
that's why you'll see a zero there. It's

453
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:09,760
not contemplated that this area will
receive revenue from those levies.

454
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:15,200
The school district, the only levy now
that drives revenue to the agency is

455
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,040
from the tort levy. Um and you'll see
that's that's a pretty small levy. And

456
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:26,839
if there's no tort levy, then there's
there's no levy that generates revenue.

457
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,839
Uh next slide.

458
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:38,000
So these uh just to separate them out,
these are the taxing districts that

459
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:41,440
overlay many of the county parcels. So
it's the same discussion we had with

460
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:47,680
regard to the city, but you'll see a few
different uh taxing districts,

461
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:51,440
specifically the fire district. And so
based on the conversation on the last

462
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:55,520
slide, that's why there's the zero there
is for purposes of of the model. It's

463
00:41:53,839 --> 00:42:02,359
not contemplated that there is going to
be any revenue from the fire district

464
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,359
levy. Next slide.

465
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:14,720
From a legal perspective, Idaho code
section 50-2905

466
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:22,079
identifies what information has to be
included within an urban renewal plan

467
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:26,240
and that it also indicates uh based on
legislative changes I think in 2016 that

468
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:32,640
that information must be included with
some level of specificity. So uh what we

469
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:37,680
have here on this slide is the factors
that are identified by code the eight

470
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:42,800
factors and then underneath it provides
information as to where in the plan

471
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:50,160
andor the attachments you can find the
information that supports this specific

472
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:53,599
factor of code. Um from a I I'll just
run through them quickly because I I

473
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:58,720
think it's important to understand how
we have broken this out. Um when we talk

474
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:06,000
about the urban renewal plan, the
economic feasibility study is really the

475
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:11,760
driver of the revenue allocation area.
That's the uh work product and

476
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:17,280
deliverable that includes the
identification of the projects as well

477
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:22,480
as the revenue generation and the cash
flow which shows that ultimately the

478
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:27,599
project is feasible. So a number of
these requirements

479
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:31,680
are met by that document alone. But
starting with factor one, the statement

480
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,040
describing the total assessed valuation
of the base assessment role of the

481
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,960
revenue allocation area and the total
assessed valuation of all taxable

482
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:47,760
property within the municipality. That's
what's referred to as the 10% test.

483
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:54,880
And um so in that case
um we are looking at the combined base

484
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:59,760
assessment role of all of your uh
existing revenue allocation areas. And

485
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:04,960
so long as the base assessment role does
not exceed 10% of the total taxable

486
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:11,200
value of the city, then you have met
that threshold. And because we have both

487
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:16,240
city and county parcels, uh we're being
more conservative by using the total

488
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:20,960
taxable value of the city
um because it's a smaller number.

489
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Uh the statement listing the kind number
and location of the proposed public

490
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:33,040
works or improvements. Um we find that
in attachment five, which attachment

491
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:39,280
five is the short form reference to the
economic feasibility study here. But

492
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:43,920
you'll also see it in section 301 of the
plan narrative. And that's one of those

493
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:48,319
sections that is flagged for continued
review because as we move forward, we

494
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:53,839
really want to make sure that the
narrative language in section 301 really

495
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:58,720
matches the intent and purpose of the
projects identified in attachment five.

496
00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:04,319
We've talked about the economic
feasibility study. Um

497
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:09,280
uh factor four is a detailed list of
estimated project costs. You'll find

498
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:12,800
that in attachment five, a fiscal impact
statement showing the impact of the

499
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:17,200
revenue allocation area both before and
after the bonds are repaid and upon all

500
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:23,119
taxing districts. You'll find that
information on impact in the narrative

501
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:28,480
form uh in section 502.8
as well as the economic feasibility

502
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:33,920
study. And just a few comments on the
impact of revenue allocation on the

503
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:39,920
overlapping taxing districts.
When we talk about impact, what we're

504
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:45,440
really talking about is the overlaid
taxing districts

505
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:50,240
deferred benefit to a budget capacity
increase from the value that's occurring

506
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:56,319
within the boundaries of the revenue
allocation area. So the taxing district

507
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:01,680
themselves are able to establish their
budget and subject to and increase

508
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:05,440
budget subject to the statutory
limitations

509
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:10,480
and then levies to meet that budget
need.

510
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:16,079
The what happens though to the growth
within the revenue allocation area that

511
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:22,160
isn't available for budget capacity
increases from new construction until

512
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:27,119
the revenue allocation area terminates
and then that 80% of the increment value

513
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:33,839
flows to the new construction role for
that budget capacity increase.

514
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:39,359
So um there's more explanation in the
narrative on that in 502.8. Eight. When

515
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:44,880
we talk about the method of financing
the project costs, that's factor six, we

516
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:49,760
really get into the multiple ways that
this that the agency has to fund

517
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:54,720
projects. So, one is pay as you go where
funds are acrewed over time and saved

518
00:46:51,760 --> 00:47:00,880
for that purpose. There's also the
opportunity to advance funding for

519
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:07,839
projects through developer and/or
property owner or other third-party,

520
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:13,119
public or private, taking on that
project and seeking reimbursement from

521
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:18,319
the agency for identified eligible
projects in pursuant to a reimbursement

522
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:24,720
agreement. And then the third is the
agency does have the ability to issue

523
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:30,240
debt um to again advance fund some
projects where they might have had to

524
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:36,160
wait until they had acrewed the funds.
And so any bond issuance certainly has

525
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:40,960
to establish the proform requirements of
a lender and has to jump through those

526
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:45,599
hoops to move forward. But all of those
methods of financing projects are

527
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,440
contemplated in the plan in the plan.
Excuse me.

528
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:53,680
Then there's a the termination date.
This is a statutory change that has

529
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:59,440
occurred over time, but for quite a
while now, a plan's duration is 20

530
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:05,359
years. So to the extent the plan is
established by year end, then the plan

531
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:12,960
termination date would be 20 December 31
of 2046 and the agency would be eligible

532
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:17,520
to receive the final year revenues in
2047.

533
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:24,319
Um, and that's defined in section 800 of
the plan. And then to the extent the

534
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:28,960
agency has or retains owns any assets at
termination, those assets may be

535
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:36,480
conveyed. Uh, and how those will be
conveyed is also identified in section

536
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:40,400
800. Um, and there is an opportunity for
the agency to retain assets

537
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:45,680
posttermination
so long as there's funding sources other

538
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:52,559
than revenue allocation proceeds to be a
source for those uh assets that are

539
00:48:48,240 --> 00:49:00,559
retained. So, next slide.
I just wanted to show the 10% test here.

540
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:06,960
It's uh also in the plan document but
this shows that the taxable these are

541
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:13,280
using the 2025 data because um at the
time of preparation 2026 hadn't been

542
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:19,599
fully confirmed. Um but you'll see that
the base values of your existing revenue

543
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:25,440
allocation areas total about 115 million
which uh 10% of the total taxable value

544
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:30,240
of the city is about 273 million. So,
it's about 4.2%.

545
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:34,319
So, well under the 10% even if there
were going to be increases in value for

546
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:40,240
2026.
Uh, so with that, I um,

547
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:44,960
commissioners and council members, I I
would like to hand it over to Mr. Kramer

548
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,960
to talk about the economic feasibility
study.

549
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,480
» Thank you, Megan. kind of front of them
or whatever whatever is doing it.

550
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,240
» Okay,
>> I may bounce back and forth. Okay,

551
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,839
» so if it's okay, council and
commissioners, I'm going to speak to you

552
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,160
from behind because I'm going to
navigate the slides a little bit back

553
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:13,359
and forth. Um although if you'd prefer
me to come up there, I'd be happy to. Um

554
00:50:11,069 --> 00:50:15,920
[clears throat] so my name is Brad
Kramer with Prospective Planning

555
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:20,800
Consulting. As Megan's already
mentioned, I wrote the economic

556
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:24,400
feasibility study. What I'm going to do
uh this evening is just give you a a

557
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,800
fairly quick and high level overview and
then to the extent that you'd like to go

558
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:34,400
into more depth, I'd be happy to do so.
Um but just so you're you have a sense

559
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:40,160
for what this is for. Um really the
purpose is to determine if the tax

560
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:44,559
increment revenue um generated from uh
private investment will be sufficient to

561
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:49,200
cover uh the anticipated costs of public
and other eligible projects. And so the

562
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:53,040
way we get there is we we have to do a
little bit of looking into a crystal

563
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:57,280
ball uh to look at all of the vacant
sites within this area and determine in

564
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:03,920
partnership with the city what the
anticipated development looks like, what

565
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:08,160
its value should uh look like um once
it's completed, how it grows over the

566
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:13,760
years. We look at historical uh le levy
rates and changes and and valuation

567
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:19,720
changes. Um and then we look at we
identify all of the potential public

568
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,720
projects and their anticipated costs.

569
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:27,599
So the spoiler alert is this is
economically feasible. Um the tax

570
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:34,079
revenues are anticipated to cover the at
least the priority projects and many of

571
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:37,520
the um additional projects within the um
within the district boundaries. And we

572
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:42,000
did look at multiple scenarios and I
have a slide that summarizes that. We've

573
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,800
already we've already covered the fire
district, so I'm going to skip that

574
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:51,200
slide. So, one of the things that we did
with the city, um, I I I wanted to

575
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,960
understand how fast these, uh, vacant
sites within the proposed area would

576
00:51:52,960 --> 00:52:01,599
develop. And initially, the city had
suggested a 10-year buildout. But

577
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:07,760
because um the agency is anticipating a
bond to pay for some of the public

578
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:14,480
infrastructure and because uh we're all
development subject to changes uh in the

579
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:17,520
economy, prices um uh demand, we wanted
to I wanted to take a more conservative

580
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:22,240
look. And so it really broke it into
four scenarios. a 10 year, 12 year, 15

581
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:27,599
year, and even a 20-year buildout to
make sure uh we understood um how how

582
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:32,079
that bond would be affected and how
overall revenues and expenditures would

583
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:37,760
be affected if things didn't build out
as quickly as as hoped. So, when you

584
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:42,720
look at the revenues for all of those
scenarios,

585
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:48,319
there's an anticipated 43.5 to 68.5
million in revenues over the 20 years.

586
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,079
And I won't walk through all of these
assumptions, but they are based on

587
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:58,319
historical data. And so I'm going to
skip, keep those numbers in mind, the 43

588
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:06,079
and 1/2 to 68 1/2 because as you look at
this list of projects, um the ones on

589
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:09,920
the top are the um
the the priority projects identified by

590
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:14,720
the city. They're they're they're listed
with more specificity. Uh specific

591
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:19,680
intersections, you know, widening 12th
and 33rd, for example, a specific lift

592
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:23,359
station, and those anticipated costs,
those were those priority projects came

593
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:30,079
out to
$27.3 million. And so in all revenue

594
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:34,559
scenarios, those priority projects um
are anticipated to be covered with the

595
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:39,920
revenues. Then if you look below, um
there's a couple of things happening.

596
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:45,440
there is um one because the statute
requires that you identify things that

597
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:50,319
you might do. We we include lists of
more generic things that the agency may

598
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:55,119
tackle if there are enough funds uh that
would also benefit the district. And

599
00:53:52,160 --> 00:54:00,240
that list, although these are very very
much estimates and placeholder numbers,

600
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:04,480
came out to $24.2 million. So a total of
51.5

601
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:09,280
million in total projects. And so in a
20-year buildout, maybe not all of those

602
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,200
uh non-priority projects get covered,
but all of the priority projects should

603
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:17,520
be covered and the bond is able to be
serviced. Um

604
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:22,640
I've already made this statement, so the
cash flow is uh sufficient. I know that

605
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:27,520
was that was a really quick look through
the finances. If you have questions

606
00:54:24,557 --> 00:54:30,400
[snorts] or want me to go in more depth,
uh I would be happy to do so, but

607
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,240
otherwise, I'm also happy to turn it
back over to Megan.

608
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:40,400
» Mr. Mayor, if I may. Um, so was you
anticipating bonding for the 27 million

609
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:43,200
only or bonding for more than that?
>> Uh, I'm ask question, I guess.

610
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,119
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

611
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:53,200
» The the bond that I that I plugged into
the model was only for $6 million.

612
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,680
» That just do the revenues.
>> Yeah.

613
00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:00,160
» Yeah. I thought that would be alarm. So
that's what

614
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:03,680
» I think the idea is to get started
projects

615
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:08,040
revenue to cover up
>> otherwise you have to wait three or

616
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,040
four.

617
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,640
» Thank you.
>> Yes, council member Johnson.

618
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,359
» Sorry I just said I never heard of the
bond part before. Have we done that in

619
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:21,839
other verticals? Yeah, because a lot of
times you have to you have to go sell a

620
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:26,079
bond to get the cash to get a start to
put it in pipes.

621
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,640
» We we have one in the district out by
Walmart right now.

622
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:41,520
» That's that's one of the things that
you'll kind of hear some legislators.

623
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:45,520
They're they're kind they're opposed to
they'll say, "Well,

624
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:50,559
you know, businesses should just pay for
that." And sometimes the businesses will

625
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:55,119
say, "Well, that's a lot of money that
is going to benefit kind of this whole

626
00:55:52,400 --> 00:56:01,280
area, not just us." And if you make them
pay for it, a lot of times they'll say,

627
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:08,319
"Well, we'll go somewhere else." Because
that's just a lot of additional cost

628
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:13,119
is necessarily always, you know, total
amount of it's not beneficial.

629
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:18,000
So yes,
>> is that a general election?

630
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:23,400
» No, no, it's a it's a go out and you
sell a bond to a somebody that will buy

631
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:31,960
» election which is good.
>> Yeah, that would be a tough that would

632
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,960
be a tough

633
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,400
» Any other questions? Mr. Craven, one of
the other things that I will point out

634
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,359
that uh I just thought of while we were
doing this and I was thinking, you know,

635
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:48,319
a lot of times because I've been having
conversations with some legislators and

636
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:52,960
uh and one of their big things is well,
you know, cities and counties are losing

637
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:56,880
all that revenue for 20 years. And as I
thought through this and all of our

638
00:56:54,240 --> 00:57:01,839
projects, I thought, yeah, sometimes
there is a project that will get done

639
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:07,040
right at the start, but or often the
projects happen kind of towards the

640
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:10,160
middle of the of the thing towards the
end. I mean, like our downtown project,

641
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:14,799
we're hustling to try to get the project
done before that district ends. So, in

642
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:18,079
that case, it'll be a pretty big
project. it will produce a lot of tax

643
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:23,920
revenue and we'll only have to wait
probably one year for it because that

644
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:28,559
district is going to end. And so if you
think about it, you know, most of the

645
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:33,280
time when we we we get a district in
place, it takes a while to start getting

646
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:39,599
projects done in there. So it's really
not most of the time 20 years. It's, you

647
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:44,720
know, 10 years, eight years, six years.
Sometimes it might be 15 or 16 years,

648
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:49,920
but it seems like most most often or
quite often the projects start happening

649
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:55,599
more towards the middle to the end,
especially bigger

650
00:57:52,079 --> 00:58:00,559
really makes a difference.
Any other questions for Mr. Kramer?

651
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:05,440
Okay. Thank you, Brad. We appreciate
your time and efforts on this and uh

652
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:09,760
it's a lot of really good information.
So,

653
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,599
» all right. Thank you.
That basically is just uh it's just

654
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:19,040
information that you saw the timeline on
the things have to do here on now. Megan

655
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:22,640
» Oh, Megan, did you have a couple more
slides to show us?

656
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:27,119
» Oh, thank you, commissioners, council
members. I just have two to whip through

657
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:32,240
really quickly here. We've already
talked about the ad consents and so that

658
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:39,520
is going to drive finalization of the
map but um you know we are actively

659
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:43,680
pursuing the few final um a consents and
if those aren't obtained then those

660
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:51,359
parcels will be removed. The other piece
of it is um next slide just a reminder

661
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:55,839
this is a post July 1 2016 plan. So that
means the base reset provisions are in

662
00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:03,680
place and what that means is if there's
a plan modification by city council

663
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:09,280
ordinance then um there is a risk that
the base will reset to the current

664
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:15,599
equalized assessed value of the district
which essentially uh removes the revenue

665
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:21,920
stream for the district. There are
exceptions in that code for uh what is

666
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:26,799
not considered to be a modification and
it's your one-time plan amendment to add

667
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:34,880
area deanexations,
ministerial uh type amendments and then

668
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:40,240
for existing commercial and industrial
project expansion. And I I do want to

669
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:48,480
point out, you know, a lot of agency
budgeting is based on assumptions as to

670
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:54,160
levy rates and uh revenue. And so up and
down the agency's budget annually uh is

671
00:59:51,920 --> 01:00:00,240
dependent on what those actual numbers
end up being. So there's always little

672
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:04,400
uh flex in the schedule. So with that,
um happy to stand for any questions.

673
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:10,079
» We have a question from council
president. So Megan, if I understand

674
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:16,559
that then if there is any modification
during the 20-year period of time

675
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:22,960
except for a few of the exceptions,
then the the base would reset to the

676
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:31,040
current valuations at that time.
>> Yeah. So it's any modification. Thank

677
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:37,280
you, Mr. Council President. um if to the
extent there is an amendment by a city

678
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:42,559
council ordinance.
So a properly

679
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:47,200
uh processed plan amendment that goes
all the way through the process. If it

680
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:52,520
doesn't meet one of those four
exceptions, then there is a risk of a

681
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,520
base reset.

682
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,799
So, we can't expand it really. We can't
expand it in the future,

683
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:03,599
but it it is what it is for the 20-year
period of time.

684
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:08,880
» Would it be worth going those four
exceptions real quick just to

685
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:16,640
» Yeah. So, the first exception actually
is you have a onetime amendment to add

686
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:21,520
area and you can add area up to 10% of
the existing revenue allocationary

687
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:28,880
acreage. So for example, if this
district stays 840 acres, the uh parties

688
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:35,599
would have one time to extend the
boundary an additional up to 84 acres.

689
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:41,119
So that would not constitute a
modification. That would trigger a base

690
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:48,000
reset. That falls within the exception.
But if you did a second one to add area,

691
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:54,480
that would trigger a base reset.
>> Okay. Any other questions?

692
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:58,480
Anyone?
>> Okay. Thank you, Megan.

693
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:02,480
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Brad.

694
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:07,200
» Appreciate you being here. And um if
there are no other questions or

695
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:11,520
discussion on that, we will go ahead and
move to the next item on our agenda.

696
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:17,839
» Please move on. Mr. Miller, is that on
our agenda for the 28th? Did you say

697
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:22,480
» it is not yet? So I will contact um your
office and get that get that on. So

698
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:26,720
» yes, go ahead.
>> I have

699
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:33,440
very new to brand new urban fuel
districts.

700
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:38,240
What is a transfer power transfer?
>> Megan, is that something you can help us

701
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:44,400
answer? Did you hear the question?
>> I didn't. I'm sorry. Thank you,

702
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:48,160
» Megan. This commissioner mentioned Uh
there's a couple of terms in there that

703
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:53,680
I I'm not familiar with. Transfer of
power at the top. What what are we

704
01:02:50,960 --> 01:03:00,960
transferring? What what is involved with
transfer?

705
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:04,240
» Yes. Uh thank you, Mr. Commissioner. Um
council members and commissioners. I

706
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:08,160
don't have the statute up in in front of
me and certainly um we'll get you a

707
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:14,640
better answer but in general what the
transfer of power ordinance does is

708
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:20,079
acknowledge that the revenue the
increment revenue from those county

709
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:26,559
parcels is going to be allocated to the
agency to perform

710
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:32,880
uh the implementation of the plan. So
it's essentially recognizing

711
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:38,160
uh that the revenue allocation area
exists and that those dollars will flow

712
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:43,119
to the agency.
>> Okay. Then Megan again as a followup

713
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:48,720
Mike the intergovernmental agreement
what is involved in the inter agreement?

714
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:53,280
What are we agreeing to?
>> So same I same same idea Mr.

715
01:03:51,039 --> 01:04:00,079
Commissioner. It's it's recognizing
between the county and the city that

716
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:05,119
this is established and that uh there
will be the administration of this

717
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:09,119
agency by the agency board and the
dollars will be implemented pursuant to

718
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:14,319
the plan. It's all kind of part and
parcel of uh and and I apologize that I

719
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:18,400
don't have it in front of me right now,
but I I believe the intergovernmental

720
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:23,839
agreement is often the exhibit to the
transfer of powers ordinance and the

721
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:29,839
specific statutory reference to that
language is in 50-2906.

722
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:35,119
So the statute requires anytime you do
have these multi-jurisdictional plans

723
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:41,359
that there just is an acknowledgment by
the county that uh you know this plan is

724
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:46,079
in place. It's multi-jurisdictional and
recognizes that those dollars from the

725
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:50,960
increment are not going to be captured
by the county but will flow to the

726
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,960
agency is generally the purpose and
intent.

727
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:00,000
So it's that's right this Commissioner
Smith. It's all about the money. It has

728
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:02,640
nothing to do with land use zoning.
That's right. It's all about where the

729
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:07,039
money goes.
>> That's right. Any specific land use. So

730
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:12,160
to the extent a property owner in the
county wants to develop their property,

731
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:15,680
they're subject to the the overlay of
the revenue allocation area doesn't

732
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,880
change the process that that property
owner would have to go through to

733
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:23,839
develop their property. you'd have to go
through your standard uh permitting and

734
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:28,160
design consideration.
Um the overlay of the revenue allocation

735
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:34,240
area doesn't change that and it doesn't
change the nature of if it's valued as a

736
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:39,119
it will remain valued as a until it's
not.

737
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:43,119
» That's one thing people get afraid of is
they think it's going to raise their

738
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:48,640
taxes. Doesn't change them at all. That
that does to my last question noted

739
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:51,640
earlier
the

740
01:05:51,920 --> 01:06:00,400
how it influences impact areas versus
annexation where this is there are

741
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:04,720
people who resist. They don't want to be
a part of a city. They want to have

742
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:12,000
their rural land. If we put this into
urban renewal and we cross those lines

743
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:18,480
of the impact area, does that make it
easier for a city to annex properties or

744
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:23,200
does it have no
>> easier?

745
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:29,599
I I don't think it makes it any easier.
Uh but am I correct on that?

746
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:35,280
» Uh yes, thank you and commissioner and
council members. So the overlay of a

747
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:41,839
revenue allocation area has no impact on
how a city annexes property. The

748
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:47,520
annexation of property is uh driven by a
statutory scheme and all of those tees

749
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:52,960
have to be crossed and eyes dotted and
the overlay of an RAA doesn't impact

750
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:56,400
that one way or the other.
>> Thank you.

751
01:06:54,400 --> 01:07:04,960
» Just just for context, um this is
Highway 33 right here. Um, and the the

752
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:10,480
county properties or parcels that are
not in the impact area are these five

753
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:16,079
right here.
So, um,

754
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,960
» Council Member Johnson has a question.
>> Yeah, sorry. I just want to make sure

755
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:24,240
I'm understanding right with that
transfer of power. Um, is it also

756
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:28,960
included that? Um, so like there's a
list of all the projects that would be

757
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:33,599
included in this and then like for
example, one of them is widening west.

758
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:39,280
Typically that would come through the
council um to decide on timing um and if

759
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:44,880
that's appropriate. But if we approve
this district then we give the district

760
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,839
the ability to make that decision on
timing, right? Because then it doesn't

761
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:53,240
come to the council anymore after that.
It goes to the originality. Is that

762
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,240
right?

763
01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:59,760
Um,
madame councilwoman, can you please tell

764
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,839
me what the project is specifically that
you're talking about with regard to

765
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:05,839
timing?
>> Oh, I was just giving an example like I

766
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:09,200
saw on the list. It says wing 12 west.
That was one of the one I one of the

767
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:12,880
ones I remembered. But then if this
becomes if we approve this agency, then

768
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:16,560
the council no longer is the one who
triggers doing that. It would then be

769
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:23,359
the urban renewal agency. Right.
>> So I would add right there um because

770
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:27,199
that's that's city streets. That's um I
mean the city still has to be involved

771
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:31,839
in in that piece of it. We as urban
renewal we would contribute to making

772
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:37,759
that happen. So financially we would
support it but we would not be the ones

773
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:42,640
um executing any kind of work done
there. There are different types of

774
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:46,719
projects where you where potentially
we're not dealing with city

775
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:52,159
infrastructure directly, city assets
where where the city could be out of it.

776
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:55,199
But um but in in the case of of like
you're saying with the city street,

777
01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:00,279
that's we we don't come in and take over
that. Um if that [clears throat] makes

778
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,279
sense.

779
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,440
» Matt has something to add.
>> Well, I was just going to say I'll just

780
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:09,440
tell you how we've done it in the past.
I mean, it always pretty much goes

781
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:13,600
through the city budget because the way
that we've been doing those is the

782
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:18,000
projects really are engineered by the
city engineers and it goes through the

783
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:22,239
city budget and then urban renewal
reimburses for their proportionate

784
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:27,359
share. And the other thing to remember
on these big projects like this, it's

785
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:30,640
generally multiple funding sources. And
so you're talking city money, you're

786
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:35,040
talking federal money, you're talking
urban renewal, and so so you all kind of

787
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:38,560
have to come together and put it into
your respective budgets.

788
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:43,880
» Thank you.
>> Good question. Okay, any other

789
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,880
questions?

790
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:50,000
» Commissioners, council members, just a
reminder, the North Central had a

791
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:54,880
transfer of powers and an
intergovernmental agreement as well. And

792
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:59,600
you know, when we talk about the
transfer of powers, the first section of

793
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:03,760
the authorization in the transfer of
powers ordinance just reaffirms the

794
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:07,840
findings that are more applicable, I
would say, to the county or just

795
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:12,159
acknowledging that the adjusted base
values of the revenue allocation areas

796
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:16,560
within the city don't exceed the 10% and
that the project is financially

797
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:20,719
feasible, the consents have been m
obtained, and that the city of Rexburg

798
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:24,800
has the authority to proceed with the
creation. But the most important finding

799
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:32,800
is that the revenue allocation area
proceeds from the areas lying within the

800
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:37,280
unincorporated area uh shall be devoted
the revenues from that TIFF to the

801
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:42,800
statutory purposes as described in the
plan and the law and the act. So it's

802
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:48,000
it's just really acknowledging the
ability to establish this plan and how

803
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:52,560
the dollars will then from the increment
flow to the agency to implement the

804
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:58,239
plan. But in terms of development
timeline, I mean those factors are

805
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:02,719
really determined as they occur. It
doesn't necessarily impact timing unless

806
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:09,120
there's the opportunity to advance or
partner in funding. Um so anyway, hope

807
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:13,679
that helps.
>> Okay. Thank you, Megan. Well, we uh we

808
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:17,440
need to move on for a couple of other
items. So, thank you very much.

809
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:22,159
appreciate that information and all the
work that both you and Brad have done on

810
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:26,400
this for us. And uh thank you for being
here with us tonight.

811
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:32,239
» Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
>> All right. Okay. With that, let's move

812
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:39,719
on to item number B on the agenda, which
is the review of the America 250 event.

813
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:39,719
We'll turn the time over to Matt that

814
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:46,040
I might not have for everybody, but
double pull it out. Cheers.

815
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:56,960
Okay. So, as I jump into this, um, keep
in mind that that this this report is

816
01:11:53,199 --> 01:12:00,960
not just the concert event. Uh, so this
is this is all events that were part of

817
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:07,120
Independence Day. And I'll kind of point
out some of the differences there. Um,

818
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:12,640
so what I've done, I didn't give you
obviously the full detail. I I broke it

819
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:17,520
down into categories. And so as you look
through this report on the left you'll

820
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:21,040
see the where it says row labels you'll
see the description and then as you move

821
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:25,679
to the right you'll see a column for
expense a column for revenue and then a

822
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:30,640
grand total and then we net that down at
the bottom. So, as I go through this, I

823
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:37,360
mean, obviously the big big expense was
the we paid 195,000 for the artist that

824
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:43,360
came to the concert. And then I did want
to note um on the contributions, which

825
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:47,199
are revenues, right? Those um I wanted
to put the just the name of those

826
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:51,679
businesses that supported that because
that was a a substantial amount. There

827
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:56,719
was 70,500
basically donated to help reduce this

828
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:01,679
subsidy. And so we're grateful for those
community partners. Um and some of them

829
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:06,000
were specific donations for, you know,
one was for the drone, one was part of

830
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:12,800
the fireworks, and then some of them
were just use it however you need to.

831
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:16,800
And then uh you can see the uh I'm just
going to hit the biggy the big expenses

832
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,520
and revenues, but then you see the drone
show, you know, was quite expensive. Um

833
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:29,199
it was 35,000
and um we did get a little grant for

834
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:34,719
2500. The fireworks was really 30,000.
Uh the portion at the concert itself was

835
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:40,560
about 5,000 and then it was about 25,000
for the other two locations the

836
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:45,920
following night. And um and then we did
buy a flag display. So, if anybody saw

837
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:51,199
the the flags out at Porter Park, we
left those out for probably four days, I

838
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:56,400
think, or five days. And we will
continue to be able to use those um you

839
01:13:53,520 --> 01:14:02,080
know, for hopefully decades to come. And
then, um we did buy insurance for that

840
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:07,679
concert. We just felt like it was just a
little too risky not to. So, that was

841
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:14,159
about 9,400 bucks. Marketing came in at
about 18,500.

842
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:19,199
And the marketing uh really was, you
know, we tried pretty much all outlets.

843
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:24,640
Uh a lot of it was social media. You
know, we had banners, we had uh

844
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:30,800
electronic billboards, um we did some
Google stuff, we did radio, uh you name

845
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:37,120
it, we probably did a little bit of it.
And um parking, security, and staff, I

846
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:41,679
kind of lumped quite a few things there.
That came out to about 10,000. And then

847
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:47,120
another really expensive cost was
production cost. So when you think of

848
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:52,159
production um some of the big costs was
the obviously the biggest one was

849
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:55,360
running the stage. Yes.
>> Question. Yes. Go ahead.

850
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,480
» Where it says staff is that just staff
that night or is that

851
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:03,920
» that there was just a little bit of
part-time wages that got allocated in?

852
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:11,760
Not very much. It was almost it was very
very minimal. And so um and then but

853
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:18,400
honestly that's a great question because
most I would say like 99% of the labor

854
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:23,199
is not our it's not in these numbers.
These are all direct revenues and

855
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:28,480
expenses, right? And so, so when you
think about this, um, you know, if we

856
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:32,080
were to track all of our time into this,
it would have been a lot of time. I

857
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:37,120
mean, there was a lot of time and effort
at both the city, the highest level at

858
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:43,520
the city obviously, but I mean, school
district had a lot, county had some

859
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:47,760
things in it. So, and then the, uh, the
last line that I'll just hit real quick

860
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:51,600
uh, is the ticket sales. So that's net
of sales tax. So we brought in about

861
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:56,480
$200,000.
We sold about 5300

862
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,480
5,339.
Uh we believe that we had close to 6,000

863
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:05,760
people in there because you have to
remember a lot of tickets were given out

864
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:09,920
uh like through radio and so we would
give out, you know, hundreds of tickets

865
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:14,640
that they would give away as promotions
and that did not come into this 5,339

866
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:19,600
number. And then of course there was
lots of volunteers. We had, I think,

867
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:24,480
over a hundred volunteers there. Uh, you
know, we had a ton of employees there,

868
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:30,480
lots of, uh, public safety people there.
So, when when you drill it all down, um,

869
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:34,800
grand total subsidy that I'm estimating
at this point, because I mean, I even

870
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:40,159
got another invoice this week. And so,
you just you continued to see them for

871
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:46,080
many months after, but I'm estimating
about 98,600

872
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:52,239
subsidy. So county's half would be 493.
Now you guys have already paid us 50,000

873
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:57,360
and um you know when you look at it uh
total what we budgeted at the city side

874
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:01,360
we had budgeted a subsidy of around
48,600

875
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:06,239
and so we're really close we're right
right fairly close to that. Uh we had

876
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:11,840
hoped that it would have been you know a
little smaller subsidy than that but um

877
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:16,400
you know I think it was a great event.
Um, it's up to you guys whether you want

878
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:23,480
to do it again. I think it was a
tremendous amount of effort. So, but

879
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,480
anyways, that's the report.

880
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:31,199
» Any questions? Can I be in charge this
time?

881
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:34,800
» Too soon, Mayor. Too soon.
>> 300.

882
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:38,880
» Is there any questions or comments? We
don't have a lot of time, but

883
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:42,239
» we appreciate this, Matt. This is great.
>> Okay.

884
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:45,360
» Good advance. I know. I think we would
have been much more successful, but

885
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:49,440
there was one thing that we didn't
anticipate, unfortunately, and that was

886
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,840
we were thinking, "Oh, Friday night
before the 4th, that'll be great." Well,

887
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:58,000
it turns out that Friday night being
night before the 4th made for a really

888
01:17:56,159 --> 01:18:02,640
long weekend, and all of the college
kids, not all of them, but a big

889
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:06,560
percentage of hightailed it out of town,
so they weren't here. And that I think

890
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:10,880
we would have sold way way more tickets
if that had been the case. But, you

891
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:16,320
know,
So, okay.

892
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:22,239
All right, let's go ahead
and uh move on to item number C, which

893
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:26,884
is the uh regarding parking at the
nature park. So,

894
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,904
» can you bring that up on the map?
>> [clears throat]

895
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:42,000
» go right in by the the nature park. The
little triangle piece there.

896
01:18:41,294 --> 01:18:47,760
[clears throat]
Yeah, that one right there just below

897
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:52,000
your cursor. So, I think as you guys
know at the county, that's part of the

898
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:56,719
fairgrounds, that bottom part down
there. And you can see that uh our

899
01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:01,760
fairground supervisor put some rocks
along there. He's left that open on the

900
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:06,719
west side for the city or for the park
parking as well as I think that's your

901
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:10,960
only access to that shop.
>> That's your county parking lot.

902
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:14,880
» So the problem we've been having is when
we

903
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,600
a year ago we decided to close that off.
I haven't wanted to close off because we

904
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:22,000
just had so much trouble with vandalism
in that parking lot. Kids going in just

905
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,400
flipped them. There used to be a big but
hole there if you remember. Right.

906
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,000
» Oh yeah. Yeah.
>> They they love that.

907
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:30,159
» Yeah.
>> And they just tear the parking lot up

908
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:34,080
like crazy. Um
>> so we fenced it off, put some rocks so

909
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:39,120
they can't get on. The problem is now
all these neighbors on the bottom here

910
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:44,800
who have freely used that for years and
years are upset. And apparently since we

911
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:47,600
told them no, they've started calling
the city. Um

912
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:53,199
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. Natalie called me one day and I

913
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:58,000
said, "Natalie, it's not open to the
public." And she says, "Well, anyway, I

914
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:02,560
won't go into all that discussion." But,
but our take on it is that it is closed.

915
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:06,800
You know, we apologize those people can
no longer use it. Someday this is going

916
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:10,080
to be sold to a private developer. There
is no legal easement for those people to

917
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,520
use it.
>> Um,

918
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,600
which brings up the question, isn't
there an easement?

919
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,120
» Not there.
>> Along the backside,

920
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:22,159
» not there. in the park.
>> There is. There is on the park

921
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,840
apparently.
>> In fact, Evan told me today, if you'll

922
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,960
scroll over a little bit,
>> apparently somebody over here owns a

923
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:32,880
skid loader and every once in a while
goes over and moves the rocks for the

924
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:36,000
neighbors. Um, but he says he went right
across your park with a skid loader.

925
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:41,840
» Oh, really?
>> Um, to hit the path going out because

926
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:46,000
they do have some easements along there.
So that's

927
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:49,600
» So that's an easement to nowhere. Yeah,
>> there's no star and

928
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,840
» pretty much
>> that's probably understand.

929
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,199
» No,
>> it's one of those situations where it's

930
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:59,760
difficult because they they've accessed
it for years and they just assumed that

931
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:05,840
there's
>> if you look at it motions come into play

932
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:11,679
a lot. See those faces store their
campers only access they have to get to

933
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:15,920
that. There are gates back there on that
almost every fence and that's where they

934
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:19,360
have stored it. probably when they sold
their homes, they told her, "Oh, don't

935
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:23,719
worry. You got a nice parking."
>> Yeah.

936
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,719
» And it's now become

937
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:31,880
so I mean too often we are even you know
you got the rocks off there.

938
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:40,000
You kind of want to put them straight
across so that would even that guy's

939
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:44,719
access. But I don't know. We we have no
formal agreement with the city on the

940
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:49,520
use of that up there. We're not gonna
shut that off. By the way, I told Evan

941
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:55,600
Mates I don't public use public uses
that for those that's not that's not our

942
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:58,080
issue at all. Um, you know, we open up
twice a year for parking during the

943
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:02,560
fair.
>> Other than that, we don't really need

944
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:07,120
it. Uh we have plenty of parking lots,
but as we get closer to moving the fair

945
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:11,360
grounds,
um

946
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:14,400
we would like certainly entertain that
it would I would assume you guys want to

947
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,679
buy.
>> Yeah, I think I think we would

948
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:22,320
definitely be interested in it.
>> So, you know, we don't want to sell it

949
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,360
off to a private developer.
You guys have no access to your shop.

950
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:31,199
» Yeah,
>> because it is a great parking spot for

951
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:34,800
the parking. Anyway,
so just something on your radar. So if

952
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:40,639
you get calls, please tell them it's not
a city issue that to call the county.

953
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,760
» We'll be happy to do that.
>> I mean, you live right along there. Is

954
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:47,280
that Do you have any input on that or
anybody else?

955
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:49,440
» I think it's just a lot of
>> just not knowing

956
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:53,679
» information, right?
>> Yeah. Like I I've lived in that area for

957
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:56,880
20 years and I didn't know that that was
count.

958
01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:01,840
» So I think it's just part of information
and figing it out.

959
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:06,239
the easement part. I have heard about
that and I know who it is who's doing

960
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,560
the trailer.
>> Um, so yeah, again, I think it's just

961
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:14,480
information.
>> Trailers are kind of captive right now.

962
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:19,280
If they want to be able to get those out
to do them, can they call you?

963
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:22,000
» Absolutely. Yeah. Well, yeah. Call on
which day, but we'll make sure they get

964
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,840
out. But
>> yeah,

965
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:27,120
» but yeah, but so while it was open
during the one of the traders showed up

966
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:30,639
back in there, it was out.
>> Oh, yeah. But as soon as it was opened

967
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:35,040
up, trainer came back in. So So they
they know. I wonder if it would be

968
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:40,000
beneficial to produce some kind of an
official document from the county that

969
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:44,880
distribute it to those people that
explains and

970
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:48,480
he just says just kind of explains the
realities of it and just so that they

971
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:52,400
know
>> and from what we understand from what

972
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:56,239
our attorney has said there is no you
can't I mean the one guy that called and

973
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:00,880
said well I have a you know prescriptive
ease but are right by use but apparently

974
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:05,280
you can't do that with county property
That's not a pain.

975
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:09,508
» Got two legal minds in here.
>> Two and a half. I saw Steve walk in. I

976
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,508
think [laughter and clears throat]

977
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:18,159
» but he says [clears throat] you can't do
prescriptive ease money against so you

978
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:20,400
can't exist. So
>> okay.

979
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:24,880
» Anyway, so just
>> No, because I I I kind of wondered that

980
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:29,840
myself. It seems like I had heard that.
I think we had that going around city

981
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:31,280
hall that they have sectors. We didn't
>> mayor.

982
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:36,320
» Yes.
>> There was some discussion on this a few

983
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:42,159
years ago and I believe whoever owned it
at one point gave them verbal permission

984
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:46,560
to use that, but I don't think it was
ever an established easement. It was

985
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:50,719
just, hey, we're not using it. Go ahead.
We're talking 20, 30 years ago.

986
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:54,000
» Yeah. I don't how long the countyy's
owned it, honestly.

987
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:59,120
» Yeah. As you guys know, our our current
fairgrounds manager is very OCD about

988
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,440
his stuff and he doesn't like
>> he does.

989
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:04,080
» He doesn't like it messed up.
>> No, he does.

990
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:09,840
» Kids go in there.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

991
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:13,920
» I was over there just the other day and
and I saw and I and I I was I thought

992
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:17,280
that I thought I wonder if we move three
of those rocks.

993
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:22,960
» Oh, yes.
>> He's probably got a measure probably see

994
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:25,600
you on camera. Rotate him and see if he
notices.

995
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:30,000
» All right.
>> So, it's just mostly information. And I

996
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:35,440
I don't know that we need I say we have
no written you guys on that.

997
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:38,960
» I I'm fine with it, but then continue
using it. It's public use. I I have the

998
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:42,960
issue with that.
>> Well, we appreciate that. That's that's

999
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:47,520
good access people that want to use
park, which of course are people that

1000
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:51,760
live in the city and the county and
other places as well. So,

1001
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:55,360
» and we have no problem with that. Yes.
>> Okay. Well, thank you. We appreciate

1002
01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:58,000
that information. It's always good to
understand those things a little bit

1003
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,600
better, especially when we start getting
calls about it.

1004
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:02,880
» Yeah.
>> Right. Well, we already talked about

1005
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:07,520
search, so we won't go with that one.
So, thank you everybody for being here

1006
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:12,880
and we will go ahead now this part of
the meeting and we'll move into our next

1007
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:16,040
part here in a few minutes.
>> This city

1008
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,360
All right.

1009
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,480
That's it.

1010
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,280
I can

1011
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,960
If I eat

1012
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:29,940
All right, let's see who
[clears throat]

1013
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,040
council member.

1014
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,000
Thank you.

1015
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,280
Sorry.

1016
01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:00,679
Council member Rigggins, would you lead
us in the pledge? Sorry, I was off.

1017
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:27,440
All right, welcome everyone. We'd like
to call this meeting of the Rexburg City

1018
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:31,199
Council to order. Um, we're glad to have
a fairly full house here. Either we've

1019
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:35,920
got a lot of young people that are
interested in uh the civic affairs of

1020
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:41,520
Rexburg or you've got a homework
assignment due tomorrow. I I don't know

1021
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:45,520
which, but we'll we'll take the positive
thought and think. We've got former

1022
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:49,360
Well, we've got future city council
members and mayors right here in the

1023
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:54,320
room. So, thank you for being here to
see how your local government works.

1024
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:58,560
It's great to have you here. We'll have
some interesting conversations and

1025
01:28:56,639 --> 01:29:04,719
things that uh that hopefully will be of
interest to you. I would like to start

1026
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:08,639
this meeting with a um with an opening
prayer and the pledge of allegiance to

1027
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,800
our flag. And I've asked Council
President Ericson to offer the opening

1028
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:16,400
prayer for us. After which I've asked
Council Member Rigggins to lead us in

1029
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:20,040
the pledge of allegiance. So Council
Council President Ericson.

1030
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:31,280
Our father in heaven, we are grateful to
be met here this evening as city council

1031
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:38,560
citizens to uh discuss the affairs of
our great city and community. We're

1032
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:44,880
thankful for the um blessings of living
in this uh wonderful part of the world.

1033
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:51,440
uh for the blessings of freedom and
liberty that is afforded to us as

1034
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:55,760
citizens of this United States and of
the state of Idaho and the city of

1035
01:29:54,159 --> 01:30:03,520
Rexburg.
We are thankful for the um for all the

1036
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:11,600
blessings that are ours as we u live and
work together uh and do all that we can

1037
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:17,280
to make this community uh the a
wonderful place to live and work. We uh

1038
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:22,560
ask thy blessings to be with us this
evening as we deliberate the affairs

1039
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:27,040
that are on the agenda this evening. We
pray that we'll be open in our

1040
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:35,520
discussions, that we will listen
intently to concerns and needs, and that

1041
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:43,440
uh that everything will be conducted
with civility and with a desire to

1042
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:47,520
improve this our community. We again uh
gratefully acknowledge thy hand in all

1043
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:51,360
that we do and do so in the name of thy
son Jesus Christ. Amen.

1044
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:55,080
» Amen. Thank you. you please stand and
join me in the pledge of allegiance

1045
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:05,280
to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

1046
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:14,239
stands. One nation under God,
indivisible with liberty and for all.

1047
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:18,719
» Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
All right. At this time, we'd like to go

1048
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:23,280
ahead with the roll call of our council
members. We'll ask Mariana to do that

1049
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:25,440
for us, please.
>> Here.

1050
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:28,400
» Council member Johnson
>> here.

1051
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:31,520
» Council member Ericson
>> here.

1052
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,440
» Council member Colin Ericson
>> here.

1053
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,280
» Council member Reer
>> here.

1054
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,159
» Council member Rigggins
>> here.

1055
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:44,080
» All right. Thank you very much. We have
a full quorum, so we'll proceed with

1056
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:51,040
business. Um,
first item or the item item number four

1057
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:56,880
on our agenda tonight is to welcome uh a
new employee to our city family, city

1058
01:31:54,000 --> 01:32:01,920
team. And we have Elise Rasmmanson back
here in in the back. We'd like to ask

1059
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:06,320
Elise to come up and uh to the podium
and just tell us a quick little bit

1060
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:09,040
about yourself and introduce yourself to
the council members, please. Yeah,

1061
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:12,880
that's fine.
>> It's nice to meet all of you. I'm Elise

1062
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:17,760
Rasmmanson. I'm originally from Las
Vegas, Nevada, and I came up here for

1063
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:22,320
school at BYU Idaho. I just graduated,
well, I graduated about a year ago. I

1064
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:26,400
did business supply chain management.
And I kind of worked with a few

1065
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:29,440
different things. I did insurance. I
worked at Enterprise, the rental car

1066
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:33,040
place, for a little bit. And now I'm
here with the city doing planning and

1067
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:37,520
zoning as an admin assistant. So, I'm
really excited to just learn and get to

1068
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:41,280
know all of you guys better.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. We appreciate

1069
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:48,199
it. and we're glad to have you. So,
welcome to our city of Rexburg team.

1070
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:48,199
» All right, let's give her a hand.

1071
01:32:54,800 --> 01:33:01,840
» Okay, and Elise, appreciate you've
jumped right in and uh and gotten right

1072
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:06,800
with things. So, thank you very much. We
appreciate you. All right. Okay. We

1073
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:11,840
would like to uh move to item number
five,

1074
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:17,040
which is a public hearing. This public
hearing is to annex property in the

1075
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:21,440
impact area at approximately 80 East 7th
North into the city of Rexburg. This

1076
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:27,679
item would be designated as ordinance
number 1351. If motion passes and

1077
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:33,679
considered first read, uh we are going
to turn the time over to uh our city

1078
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:38,000
attorney, Mr. Spencer Raml to uh just
give us a little information on this

1079
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:40,639
item before we proceed forward. Mr.
Raml,

1080
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:46,800
» thank you, Mayor. Had a good line of
communication with Basic American Food

1081
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:50,639
uh and their uh legal counsel. Again,
there's two representatives from Basic

1082
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:56,320
American in attendance tonight. Uh they
reached out last Friday with a proposed

1083
01:33:53,040 --> 01:34:01,440
resolution. Um, I think it's uh worth uh
discussing and there's uh it would be

1084
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:05,040
worthwhile to uh engage in some of that
negotiation and that discussion with

1085
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:09,679
basic American and their legal counsel.
So, I am making a recommendation uh to

1086
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:13,760
city council to table this tonight. I've
discussed it with uh other members of

1087
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,639
staff and they are in agreeance and so I
would make that request at this time.

1088
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:20,320
» All right. Thank you for that
information and welcome representatives

1089
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:26,800
from Basic American. We're glad to have
you here with us tonight. Um, so given

1090
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:31,760
that information from staff, uh, I would
entertain a motion to move forward with

1091
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:36,440
tableabling this item if that is the
council's desire. Is there such a

1092
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:36,440
motion?

1093
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:45,040
» I I would move to table this um, action
item that is to um, consider annexation

1094
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:48,480
of the property as stated.
>> Okay. Thank you, Council Member Johnson.

1095
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,199
Is there a second to that?
>> I'll second that.

1096
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:55,120
» Second by Council Member Teen. Any
further discussion or questions hearing?

1097
01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:56,320
None.
>> Mr. Mayor.

1098
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:00,800
» Yes.
>> Is there President Eric to which this

1099
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:05,120
one would be tabled or are we
>> at this point? We're just it just be

1100
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:10,639
tabled indefinitely until we decide to
bring it back. Okay. All right. Any

1101
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,800
other questions or comments? Hearing
none. All in favor?

1102
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:18,719
» I.
>> Any opposed? All right. We will table

1103
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:25,120
that item until further notice and we
will be glad to have more uh talk and

1104
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:30,639
communication and uh negotiations with
the our basic American uh folks and

1105
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:34,639
appreciate you being here tonight. All
right. Uh at this time we have item

1106
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:39,280
number six which is a time for public
comment. This is a time for things that

1107
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:43,920
are not on the agenda tonight. If
there's anything that anybody would like

1108
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:47,840
to make us aware of, uh, we invite you
to come to the podium, state your name

1109
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:50,639
and address, and, uh, tell us about
anything that you'd like to. Is there

1110
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:54,040
anyone that would like to make a comment
at this time?

1111
01:35:54,239 --> 01:36:00,560
All right, seeing none, we will move on
to item number seven, which are our

1112
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:05,679
staff reports. And, uh, we will start
with our parks and recreation uh, report

1113
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:10,800
from our parks and recreation director,
Mr. John Lewis. This is regarding

1114
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:16,560
resolution 226-12,
which is to amend the Eagle Park camping

1115
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:21,600
use policy.
Yeah. So, uh,

1116
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:26,239
pretty much, um, over the last couple of
months, we've gotten a bunch of

1117
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:30,000
interesting reports out of Eagle Park
and people having interesting, uh,

1118
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,400
interactions with individuals back
there. And um I've been back there quite

1119
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:38,639
a bit the last several weeks just kind
of monitoring some things and we've kind

1120
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:44,080
of come to the termination that we uh
need to make some changes uh in terms of

1121
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:47,080
how we operate that park uh to make it
safer

1122
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:53,760
uh just to make it safer for for people
to be able to go down there. Um, I've

1123
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:57,920
talked to a number of people who have
said they would never uh walk down there

1124
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:02,719
by themselves and, you know, we want our
city parks to uh to to really feel safe

1125
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:07,280
and that people can go down there and to
be able to use them the way that they're

1126
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:11,679
intended. So, uh we're recommending that
uh we make some adjustments to the uh

1127
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:16,800
camping procedures out there at Eagle
Park. uh namely uh changing it to where

1128
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:20,639
instead of having the opportunity to
camp every single day of the week, we're

1129
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:24,800
going to limit that to uh Friday,
Saturday, and Sunday on the weekend. Uh

1130
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:29,360
which will make it a lot easier for uh
PD and our staff to be able to monitor

1131
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:33,760
it. Uh as well as requiring people who
do want to camp to uh display uh their

1132
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:38,880
permit to be able to be there. So, it's
a lot easier uh to determine who's

1133
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:42,960
actually supposed to be there and uh you
know, who who isn't supposed to be

1134
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:47,280
there. Um but essentially um we just
want to make it a lot safer and we think

1135
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:52,480
that uh these changes will help us to be
able uh to accomplish that and monitor

1136
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:59,280
that park in a way to where um you know
we don't have to expend a lot of

1137
01:37:55,199 --> 01:38:03,199
resources to be able to do it.
>> Okay. Thank you for that explanation. Is

1138
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:07,360
there any questions or comments from
council or Mr. Lewis? Council member

1139
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,639
Johnson.
>> Um yeah, thank you John. I just wanted

1140
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:14,880
to say I' I've talked to John about
this. We kind of ran it through our

1141
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:18,480
parks committee and I think it's a
pretty fair balance because there are

1142
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:24,320
problems happening there. I think the
park's just too secluded. Um and so this

1143
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:28,639
way residents can still use it
sometimes. Um but we have some

1144
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:32,880
restrictions to hopefully keep it safer.
So that was the hope.

1145
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:36,960
» That's good com. I like that comment
about a a good balance because you you

1146
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:41,280
don't want to be too restrictive, but we
do want it to be safe and those kind

1147
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:45,040
» and I I will say this, uh, you know,
when we talked about a lot of these

1148
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:48,159
things, a lot of this is, you know,
obviously you want the situation back

1149
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:51,840
there to kind of improve and as
improvements kind of come along, you

1150
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:55,760
know, maybe we can become slightly less
restrictive as we get a better system in

1151
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,320
place to be able to handle that. So,
it's not necessarily meant to be

1152
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:01,920
forever, but I think this is what's
needed now to be able to correct what's

1153
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:07,679
going on down there.
>> Okay. Council President Ericson.

1154
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:14,800
» Mr. Mayor, um the the permitting and the
payment of for a permit, is it is it

1155
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:19,440
clearly marked and clearly signed down
there so that there's no confusion as to

1156
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:23,119
whether a permit's even required or not?
So, as of right now, in regards to what

1157
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:27,600
we're trying to do, it is not, but I
will change that if you know you guys

1158
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:32,000
agree to go ahead and proceed with that
and everything will be clear. Um, and

1159
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:35,679
uh, go ahead.
>> There's no system, you know, when you

1160
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:41,520
talk about
the people that use campgrounds are

1161
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:46,400
accustomed to, you know, pulling in and
paying their paying for paying right

1162
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:49,920
there for their spot. Um, is there is
that is that part of the system? It

1163
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:56,960
looks like they're going to have to
either come to the city hall or or made

1164
01:39:54,239 --> 01:40:01,199
electronically through the payment
system. Is that payment system in place?

1165
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:05,520
» Yeah. So, we do currently have that
payment system uh ready to go uh to be

1166
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:09,440
able to utilize, but really we're going
about it this way to just make sure that

1167
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:13,199
people are checking in with us because I
think the the real issue is how we have

1168
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:17,360
it currently is it's kind of on an honor
system and a lot of people don't pay uh

1169
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:21,840
when they go back there. We do have
people who do pay uh for it, but it's,

1170
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:25,840
you know, far and few who are actually
doing that. And it makes it a lot easier

1171
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:29,440
for us to be able to really keep track
of what's going on in there. Cuz like I

1172
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:32,960
said, I'm just really concerned about
the safety aspect. The last couple

1173
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:37,360
weeks, we've had a group that's been in
there that I've gone down with PD, I

1174
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:41,040
think on two occasions, uh to try to get
them out of there, uh just because they

1175
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:45,119
had been there way longer than they were
supposed to. And uh you know, they had a

1176
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:50,400
lot of items just kind of scattered
everywhere back there. So, I'm just

1177
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:54,239
wanting to really just really control
that as best as we can. And I know it

1178
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:57,360
might might cause an extra step for
people who want to camp, but I just feel

1179
01:40:55,679 --> 01:41:04,159
like, you know, it's the safest option
for us to proceed with at this time. I

1180
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:08,159
think to council president's um point, I
wonder if with the signage and stuff

1181
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:12,639
that we have, can we have maybe like a
QR code where like if they pull in and

1182
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:16,320
they can just pay on the spot rather
than having to come to because maybe

1183
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:18,800
they pull in after hours or what?
>> Yes. Go ahead.

1184
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,440
» They have to have a permit. So, they
would have to have a ability to print

1185
01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:23,840
that.
>> Well, they wouldn't necessarily have to

1186
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:26,159
print it, would they? They could have it
on their phone, right? Right. Well, it

1187
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:29,520
says it has to be
>> We would like for them to display it so

1188
01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:32,159
it's easier for the police department to
be able to verify

1189
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:36,000
» if they've been there or not because
instead of having to get out at the

1190
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,199
patrol car and ask every single person,
they'll be able to look at the post that

1191
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:42,400
we'll put out there and immediately see
it.

1192
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:46,800
» So, if people are wanting to reserve
those, they're more than willing to go

1193
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:49,679
ahead and do it online. Um, but they'll
just need to either a print it

1194
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:54,159
themselves or b come to city hall and
grab their paper to be able to display

1195
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:58,800
it. And I I think this will help to
deter the wrong kind of visitors um down

1196
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:04,159
in there. And like I said, I understand
it creates an extra step, but I think it

1197
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:07,760
will help to uh you know, dissuade some
of those people from wanting to go back

1198
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,080
there to do things.
>> Mr. May,

1199
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:13,760
» yes, council teach.
>> I love this idea. My only concern goes

1200
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:18,480
back to the printing of the permits
because we're only open till 12:30 on

1201
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:23,040
Friday. And so most people if they're
going to they they won't have ability to

1202
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,400
get a permit if they are driving here to
camp.

1203
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:27,679
» That was one of my concerns.
>> So how do we

1204
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:30,560
» so typically with most of our
>> So they have to have it printed.

1205
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:34,000
» Our registration system you're actually
supposed to reserve it I want to say at

1206
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,600
least two days in advance is technically
what we have set up.

1207
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:39,840
» That's
>> a lot of people do come uh on the day of

1208
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:44,560
and we have people in office who are you
know more than willing um to be able to

1209
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:47,920
help with that. Um but typically they're
supposed to do it in advance.

1210
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:53,199
against prison.
>> Yeah. My only concern it as long as we

1211
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:58,480
have very clear signage down there
>> so that it's very clear and and not you

1212
01:42:55,520 --> 01:43:02,880
know they they know that they've got to
that they they can't just pull in there

1213
01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:05,440
and and grab a spot and spend the night
without going through some sort of

1214
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:10,000
permitting process
>> and and and notifications on our social

1215
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:14,719
media and things like that too. Council
member Riggins.

1216
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:18,000
» Thank you. Uh John, well there are uh
what are you doing as far as prices are

1217
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:20,639
concerned? Is it going to change? Is
going to as price

1218
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:25,040
» prices will be what they are now
currently which I think is $10 a night.

1219
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:28,560
So we're not we're not worried about the
money necessarily. I just want it to be

1220
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:34,480
a better process.
>> No, no, I I like the process. Question

1221
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:39,920
number two, though on here, um
any reason as to why only Friday,

1222
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:44,800
Saturday, Sunday? Um, you know, last
year I I was there for with with my

1223
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:50,960
grandkids, right? We were there
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

1224
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:54,000
Um, and so why why only Friday,
Saturday, Sunday?

1225
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:57,840
» So, part of uh that thought process on
our end was to to make it just a lot

1226
01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:02,480
easier to determine who's been there for
what amount of time because currently I

1227
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:06,159
want to say seven days is the limit uh
that we have and we don't have a system

1228
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:09,280
to where we're requiring people to show,
you know, that they've paid. So every

1229
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:13,119
time we go back there, we have to get
out and ask staff. So I think kind of

1230
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:18,080
the way that we looked at it was we
limit the days and we go down there with

1231
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:21,119
PD or we our department goes down there,
we know if we see tents on the incorrect

1232
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:26,000
days and they're not supposed to be
there. So it's a lot easier to be able

1233
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:31,040
to police that and either ask them to uh
you know vacate the area or you know

1234
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:34,480
come back on a day where we can uh or we
actually offer it. So that's kind of

1235
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:39,760
what we were thinking with that. I don't
know if that makes sense, but

1236
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:46,080
» So, are will you uh will you kind of
study that? I mean, as you go, you know,

1237
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:50,880
if we put this into uh into motion, um I
would like to just make sure that you're

1238
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:53,440
looking at it as you're getting a lot of
people that are saying, "Wow, we would

1239
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:58,400
really like to be there Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday or Thursday,

1240
01:44:54,719 --> 01:45:01,920
Wednesday, right?" Um I I I hate to It's
a beautiful place to be. It's especially

1241
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:08,560
in the summertime when it's hot, the
river's there, you I mean, it's just um

1242
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:12,400
to to to close out the other days.
>> Well, it's not completely closed.

1243
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:16,000
» No, no, no. I mean, I it does say that
it's open until it's it's until 11. It's

1244
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:18,800
day use, right?
>> Yeah.

1245
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:24,320
» But again, if I'm um you know, if I'm
camping and and and

1246
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:27,760
my only days off are are between Monday
and Friday. Uh the only day I've got is

1247
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,159
Friday.
>> Yeah,

1248
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:33,600
» I think that's a good point. We probably
need to maybe discuss that a little bit

1249
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:37,600
more because I kind of had that same
concern a little bit. Council Council

1250
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:42,000
member Erikson's got a another
suggestion.

1251
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:45,520
» Yes, Mr. Mr. Mayor, I I agree that maybe
we need to do something get a little

1252
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:48,239
stricter on that and make up some rules
to figure out what we're doing down

1253
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:52,960
there. But I would like to see exact
same thing. I don't know why we just do

1254
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:57,440
it Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I think we
need to re-evaluate this in maybe a few

1255
01:45:55,520 --> 01:46:00,560
months and say, "Okay, let's let's get a
handle on this. Let's figure out what we

1256
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:04,560
can do." and then broaden that back out
to maybe the only day we don't have off

1257
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:07,040
is Monday. So, they can have one day to
go in there and say, "Hey, there's

1258
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:10,960
nobody here in Monday. We can do all the
work down there or whatever it might

1259
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:15,520
be." But, I like the idea of being a
little restrictive and then open it back

1260
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:18,080
up and let's use our parks. Council
member Teen,

1261
01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:22,560
» I also like the idea of it being
restricted, but u just a suggestion

1262
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:25,600
would be if people are asking and
wanting to come on Monday, if we have

1263
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:28,560
complaints or different things, we could
log that and then we can revisit that

1264
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:32,560
and see how many people we actually
have. If it's a significant number, we

1265
01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:36,159
can look into doing that. But if not, I
mean, I I live over there and there's

1266
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:40,880
not a lot of people who are down there
except on the weekends. And so, I think

1267
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:45,600
that's kind of the idea. And so I'm I'm
sure that that the the rec department

1268
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:48,320
will keep a log of that for us and help
us build to track that and to see if we

1269
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:51,119
do need open up more.
>> And then maybe you might have some kind

1270
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:55,760
of a special permit or something.
Council member Johnson.

1271
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:58,800
» Yeah. I just I think um the biggest
reason for limiting it is because I

1272
01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:03,040
don't think our police department can
patrol it every single day. Um and so I

1273
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:05,840
think this was one way to hope that we
could have more police presence there

1274
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:10,239
because there really are some things
that just shouldn't be happening there

1275
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:14,000
that are happening there. and then we
can revisit it and see if it helped. Um,

1276
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:18,719
and I really like the idea of logging it
to see, you know, how many residents

1277
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:22,639
actually want to use it um during the
week and are they actually residents or

1278
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:26,000
are they all from out of the city? Um,
and try to find out more of who's using

1279
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:32,719
it and when.
>> Yeah, I I do expect that number to uh

1280
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:36,800
increase as we get it back to a a spot
to where people feel safe enough to

1281
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:40,880
where they want to be back there more
regularly. And as I said before, more

1282
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:44,320
than welcome to to revisit this as we
kind of go through it and track, but uh

1283
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:47,280
I said I just really want it to be safer
back there. And that's my biggest

1284
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:52,239
concern.
>> Okay. Well, it sounds like

1285
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:57,119
u from the comments here, the council is
is mostly in favor of this, but with

1286
01:47:54,560 --> 01:48:01,040
with the idea of tracking it and trying
to, you know, watch it so that because I

1287
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:04,800
think council member Rigggins's point is
good. I think if there are, as council

1288
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:08,639
member Johnson said, if there are local
residents that would really like to camp

1289
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:11,280
for three or four nights and it's
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or whatever,

1290
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:15,679
and that's the nights they have
available, I I I hate to make our parks

1291
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:19,600
too restrictive that our residents can't
use them. So, I think we'll need to

1292
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:22,639
really watch that and pay attention to
it and see if we can make some

1293
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:27,679
adjustments if we need to. Does that
sound fair? Okay. All right. With those

1294
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:34,159
comments then and suggestions from
council, I would entertain a motion to

1295
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:38,480
approve resolution number 2026-12
to amend the Eagle Park camping use

1296
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:43,600
policy. Is there such a motion?
>> Mr. Mr. Mayor, I I would make the motion

1297
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:49,280
to um
to

1298
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:55,040
approve resolution number 202612
amending the Eagle Park camping use

1299
01:48:51,119 --> 01:49:02,480
policy with the
direction I guess to to the parks

1300
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:09,280
department to revisit this um and in the
future for further amendment.

1301
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:11,920
» Okay, thank you. Is there any uh any uh
sorry, is there a second to that motion?

1302
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:16,639
» I'll second it.
>> Second by council member Eric Eric Colin

1303
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:20,560
Ericson. Any further discussion or
questions?

1304
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:25,280
Hearing none. All in favor?
>> Any opposed? Right, that motion passes.

1305
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:30,080
We will go ahead and [clears throat]
put that policy into use. Thank you, Mr.

1306
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:35,840
Lewis. We appreciate your time here. All
right, item B is our finance report with

1307
01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:40,480
our chief finance officer for the city,
Mr. Matt Nielsen, we are going to talk

1308
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:46,719
about reviewing and approving the fire
department fiscal year 2027 budget.

1309
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:50,239
» Yeah, thank you. Um, so probably to
start, I'll give a little background so

1310
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:52,880
the audience understands this.
>> Good idea.

1311
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:57,440
» Because this is pretty complicated, but
the way that our what we call public

1312
01:49:55,280 --> 01:50:02,080
safety in terms of ambulance and
fireworks in our county is we actually

1313
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:05,520
have a joint venture agreement. And so
when you think about that, there's three

1314
01:50:03,679 --> 01:50:09,840
taxing entities that are paying into
that. There's the ambulance district,

1315
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:16,000
which every resident of the county pays
into with the property tax. There's a

1316
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:22,560
fire district, which is only paid by
residents that live outside the city of

1317
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:28,000
Rexburg. And then the city of Rexburg
general fund, which is property tax and

1318
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:33,360
sales tax primarily, has to come up with
their proportionate share for fire

1319
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:37,840
services. And then to add another
element to that, there's a fire board

1320
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:42,080
that administers that joint venture
agreement, but that board is made up of

1321
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:47,520
a representative from each of those
entities. And so as we go through this

1322
01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:50,719
budget process, you know, we have to to
bounce these things back and forth

1323
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:55,360
between
all three of those entities plus the

1324
01:50:52,960 --> 01:51:00,239
fireboard in the mix, right? And so it
can get pretty complicated. So what this

1325
01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:06,159
is is this is just really kind of a
summary and and really all I'm showing

1326
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:11,040
you here is is the what we call the JPA
budget, which is essentially the

1327
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:16,719
operating budget of those functions for
ambulance and fire. And then in addition

1328
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:22,800
to that, there's multiple other funds uh
for equipment replacement, wildland,

1329
01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:28,400
etc., etc. And so originally when we got
the original proposed subsidy for these

1330
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:34,159
three entities, it was about 6.69
million. And you can see that the city

1331
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:40,000
fire portion was about 2.2 million. And
I believe that is uh what we passed in

1332
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:45,040
our budget currently. And then as we
continued to meet with them in budget

1333
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:50,080
work meetings, uh some things changed.
Uh there were some minor changes and

1334
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:54,159
then eventually they also proposed a new
position. It's called the fuels

1335
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:59,119
reduction shift coverage which is a
position that can help manage the fuels

1336
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:03,599
reduction that happens in the kind of
fourmonth timeline in the summer

1337
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:08,239
primarily. And then when they're not
doing that, they can actually cover

1338
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:12,159
shifts, which which is beneficial to the
department. Now, the good news on that

1339
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:19,199
one is there's a federal grant that
covers about 48,000 of that. Um, and so

1340
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:24,560
that was an addition. And then over the
last maybe six weeks, um, uh, the city's

1341
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:28,960
probably pushed the hardest here. We had
been pushing them to do line item

1342
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:34,960
budgeting in their wildland because we
felt like it was missing some expenses a

1343
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:40,080
and some revenues as well. And so the
fire board met and said yes, we want to

1344
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:45,520
do line item budgeting. Let's get those
details. Uh they added those details and

1345
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:52,639
and Chief
Troy Mskin sent me back on um well I

1346
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:56,880
can't see the date but uh 82626
I think it was. He sent me back the

1347
01:52:54,800 --> 01:53:01,119
proposals and and it looked great. I was
very grateful that they line item

1348
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:05,920
budgeted in wildland. Uh but there was a
couple things. Um they showed the

1349
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:10,719
expenses in wildland but they didn't
reduce the expenses in the operating

1350
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:13,920
budget was the biggest thing. And so so
I'm recommending that we reduce those

1351
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:19,360
because now they're being paid by
wildland. And then um there was a few

1352
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:24,159
other things like they hadn't shown the
equipment reimbursements that come in as

1353
01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:29,440
revenue and then go out as expense to
the respective entities for so for

1354
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:34,560
example uh we have when we send out a
fire piece of fire equipment that's

1355
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:40,000
owned by 50/50 by the city and the fire
district we get those revenues back. Uh

1356
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:46,560
but they wanted to collect those through
wildland and then distribute them back

1357
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:52,800
to the wild or to the joint um fund for
fire which is basically a big savings

1358
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:57,040
fund to buy and replace fire equipment
um which is not cheap as you know and uh

1359
01:53:55,599 --> 01:54:01,520
so anyways there was a couple things
like that and um

1360
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,679
I also went through just some
recommendations that I know the

1361
01:54:02,864 --> 01:54:08,400
[clears throat] auditors are going to
hit them up with when they do their

1362
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:12,880
first audit and I met with uh Chief
Child and Chief Mskin. We went through

1363
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:18,960
these. They felt like these were
reasonable. Um and so hopefully this is

1364
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:22,639
what they'll present to that fire board.
But uh what I'm looking for from the

1365
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:30,320
city council is your recommendation that
these things happen. if they do happen,

1366
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:36,800
you'll see that um overall the increase
of that subsidy from fiscal year 26 to

1367
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:41,040
27 uh it actually goes down about 82,000
because they found some additional

1368
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:47,199
revenue for ambulance. But when you look
at fire district, they would go down

1369
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:51,440
about about 51,000
and then the city fire would go down

1370
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:57,360
about 71,000.
It would still give the city fire about

1371
01:54:53,360 --> 01:55:01,280
a 3.3% increase in our budget. Um, but
this this would also, if they adopt

1372
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:05,920
these numbers that we're recommending,
it would allow us to put about 15,000

1373
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:10,400
back in the general contingency, general
fund contingency. So, so I think they're

1374
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:14,480
all good things. Um, the meeting I had
with them, I think that they're they're

1375
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:18,880
I think they felt like they were
reasonable. So, I'm just looking for

1376
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:23,440
your recommendation to to hopefully make
sure this happens when they meet.

1377
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:26,480
Okay, thank you. Is there any questions
from council

1378
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:30,400
mayor?
>> Yes, sir.

1379
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:34,480
» A general question on the It looks like
from the numbers that we're paying about

1380
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:39,679
a third, which it, you know, makes
sense. We're one of three entities in

1381
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:43,360
this organization. I'm curious though as
to how that was decided. Is it because

1382
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:48,080
we're one-third or is it based on the
number of households? Is it based on the

1383
01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:53,199
number of money that's brought in from
the tax different taxing entities? How

1384
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:57,920
did that kind of get uh formulated?
>> Yeah. So there so within that joint

1385
01:55:55,599 --> 01:56:03,760
venture agreement, there's a series of
of ways that things will be broken out.

1386
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:09,360
So so the biggest thing is any of the
building improvements that are in

1387
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:14,400
downtown here, we split 1/3.
Uh any fire equipment is split 50/50

1388
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:19,360
between the city and the fire district.
Ambulance doesn't pay for that. any

1389
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:26,400
ambulance equipment is paid 100% by
ambulance. And then the biggest thing

1390
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:31,440
is, as you can imagine, um personnel
costs are kind of your biggest expenses,

1391
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:38,880
right? And those we have an agreed upon
amount of 48% is paid by ambulance

1392
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:46,400
district and then 52% of that is split
between fire district and city fire. And

1393
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:51,599
then there's a formula that um basically
takes the assessed values for fire

1394
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:56,239
district and city of Rexburg with a
grand total and it takes the population

1395
01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:01,199
for those respective with a grand total
and then we derive a formula that splits

1396
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:06,400
it out. So it's really like to figure it
all out. It takes a giant spreadsheet

1397
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:09,440
with lots of different calculations.
>> Quite probably quite an Excel

1398
01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:12,320
spreadsheet you got going on there. So
thank you that there.

1399
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:16,400
» It's an impressive P. It's kind of like
artwork for accountants, right? Yeah.

1400
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:20,560
Council member Ericson.
>> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Matt, just like I've

1401
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:24,960
talked to you before on several times, I
I like this. I finally come up with a a

1402
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:27,040
budget, and that I've said this several
times. I want them to live within a

1403
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,280
budget.
>> Yeah.

1404
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:32,080
» We're not open-ended bank here. We can't
just keep fork out money. And I like how

1405
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:34,719
they're spelling it out and saying,
"Okay, we're going to set down a budget.

1406
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:39,199
We're going to try to save money. We're
going to try to do the things out there

1407
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:42,400
and what the city can put in for it. We
only have so much money to be able to do

1408
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:46,719
that." So, thank you for doing this.
Thanks for getting the information that

1409
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:50,239
we can finally see some avenues of what
we can do here as a city to help out

1410
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:55,520
that on our third.
>> Yeah. And I one thing I'll add is we we

1411
01:57:53,119 --> 01:58:00,480
drafted a new addendum, right, for the
budget. Um, and part of that, a critical

1412
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:06,880
piece of that is that whatever you
budget, we put into this joint operating

1413
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:11,119
fund. And then they take that amount and
if they have if they manage their money

1414
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:16,880
really well in one year and they have a
carryover, they actually keep that in

1415
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:22,800
that budget. And so it it kind of
incentivizes them to to use those

1416
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:27,199
dollars wisely and then that carryover
can be utilized uh you know for adding

1417
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:32,080
positions or other things. And so that's
the approach we've taken. And and then

1418
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:36,080
what we do, our standpoint from
budgeting is we really watch the dollars

1419
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:40,400
and the percentage increase because we
know what our our general revenues are

1420
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:44,159
that are coming in, right? And so that
allows us to to control that to some

1421
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:49,199
level.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for

1422
01:58:46,639 --> 01:58:55,840
Mr. Nielson?
>> All right. Hearing or seeing none, uh I

1423
01:58:52,239 --> 01:59:01,280
would entertain a motion to re to um to
approve the uh fire department fiscal

1424
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:04,480
year 2027 budget. Is there such a
motion?

1425
01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:08,880
» Mayor, I'll make that motion to approve.
>> All right. Motion by council member

1426
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:13,040
Ericson. Is there a second?
>> Second by council member Reer. Any

1427
01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:15,440
further discussion or questions?
Hearing none. All in favor?

1428
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:19,360
» I.
>> Any opposed? All right, that motion

1429
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:23,520
passes. We will go ahead with that
budget item. All right. Thank you, Mr.

1430
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:28,080
Neielsson. We will move I will move to
item number C, which is our public works

1431
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:33,440
report with our public works director,
Mr. Keith Davidson. Item number one is a

1432
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:37,440
local improvement district uh committee
report.

1433
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:43,440
» All right. Thank you, Mayor. Um so
tonight we are reporting on our L

1434
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:48,320
committee. Um bringing back the
suggestions uh that came forth from that

1435
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:51,320
committee. Um,
got

1436
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:57,320
Oops.
This

1437
02:00:05,199 --> 02:00:14,000
go that way. Um, so we met six times as
a committee. Um, and we started out back

1438
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:17,440
in January. Um, and we went through a
series. We gave them kind of the

1439
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:22,480
background information where streets
were funded from, the different revenues

1440
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:27,119
that come in. Um, and then we had them
come back and we brainstormed different

1441
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:32,000
ideas, went through the pros and cons of
different ideas of of where maybe

1442
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:37,520
funding could come from on those ideas
and then reviewed those and then came

1443
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:42,239
back u put together the presentation and
then reviewed that presentation uh back

1444
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:47,599
on August 6th.
Um and so some of the considered options

1445
02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:51,920
that we looked at permanent levy
override obviously is one of those.

1446
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:56,560
Another one is start looking with the
state petition for an increase in the in

1447
02:00:54,239 --> 02:01:02,080
the fuel tax. So there could be extra
revenue coming back that way. also

1448
02:00:59,119 --> 02:01:06,719
petitioned for a local option sales tax
and these some of these right are long

1449
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:12,239
way out to make it would be difficult to
do but we were trying to explore all the

1450
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:18,239
different potential options um out there
also adjust L frequency or cost sharing

1451
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:21,360
distribution was another one of those
increase allocation for street

1452
02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:26,159
reconstruction
um within the budgetary process um and

1453
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:29,520
then also looking at sidewalk
replacement different options there. Um,

1454
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:35,280
another one that just
>> Keith, just sorry to interrupt, but uh,

1455
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:40,560
I think Council Member Teen's idea. Um,
just maybe explain just briefly for the

1456
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:42,639
audience what what an L or a local
improvement district is.

1457
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:46,000
» Yeah. No.
>> Yeah.

1458
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:51,840
» Thank you. We'll back back up. So, an
Local improvement district. So, what uh

1459
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:58,960
the city does those it gives the city an
opportunity to go out and allow

1460
02:01:54,080 --> 02:02:01,840
residents um and the city to fix like we
mainly use it for there's lots of

1461
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:06,960
different ways you can use it. We mainly
use it for sidewalk replacement, curb

1462
02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:10,080
and gutter replacement um in front of as
we do street reconstruction projects.

1463
02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:14,960
So, we want to bring those up to a
certain standard. Um and so we do an

1464
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:19,920
what's called an Local improvement
district with that. And so the property

1465
02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:23,760
owners are responsible. The city council
just recently voted to take over the

1466
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:29,760
Kerman gutter. So that property owners
are responsible for the sidewalk as well

1467
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:33,360
as if we're have to redo their sewer
connection because on these street

1468
02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:40,560
reconstruction projects, we won't be
back in those neighborhoods for probably

1469
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:46,000
30 to 50 years. Could be. And you'll see
later on in the in this presentation

1470
02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:50,560
kind of how far out the budget takes us.
Um, and so we want to make sure those

1471
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:53,920
sewer lines are going to last that long
because the last thing you want to do is

1472
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:57,679
have a sewer line fail and then you have
to dig a brand new road. That's the

1473
02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:04,719
worst thing you can do with a brand new
road. Um, and so so [clears throat] the

1474
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:08,960
LI also allows for the city to allow for
funding so those property owners don't

1475
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:13,040
have to pay that bill right up front.
The L actually allows the city to go

1476
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:18,000
out, get funding, and allow the property
owner to pay for those improvements in

1477
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:23,360
front of their house over a 10-year
period. Um, and so there's there's a a

1478
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:26,880
benefit and con, but the the con is,
right, a lot of people aren't excited to

1479
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:30,880
pay for sidewalk in front of their house
to get it fixed. It's not one of those

1480
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:34,960
things like a new boat or a new
motorcycle or car that they're excited

1481
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:40,880
about. Generally, sidewalk is not a lot
of excitement to to fix that.

1482
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:45,599
» Thank you. Okay. Um, and so we went
through those series, but one other one

1483
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:50,719
that just I when I was down at the ITD
meeting um that they just had, was that

1484
02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:54,239
a week ago, two weeks ago? Um, one of
the ones as I was visiting with them,

1485
02:03:52,159 --> 02:04:00,960
one of the another option that came up
and obviously we did discuss this uh

1486
02:03:56,400 --> 02:04:04,159
with them is is counties can opt to
through a vote. It would have to be a

1487
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:08,400
vote through the county kind of like a a
permanent levy override, but you can opt

1488
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:16,880
to increase
um your yearly registration fees, right?

1489
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:22,480
Your licensing fees on on your vehicles.
So a county can actually go in and and

1490
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:26,480
vote on that and you can increase that
up and to increase the street budget to

1491
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:30,239
go in and and then pay for different
things on street. So that there's a

1492
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:34,239
there's another option that just came
forward that that I just heard about. So

1493
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:38,400
that that's a new option. So there's a
could be other ones that maybe we

1494
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:40,000
haven't even thought of before. But
yeah,

1495
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:43,599
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes. Go ahead.

1496
02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:48,320
» Just a question. Have you have you
checked into what what the possibility

1497
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:52,239
how much that would raise?
>> Yeah. So, you would set how much you

1498
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:57,440
wanted to increase that, right? On top
of the the typical registration fee, you

1499
02:04:55,040 --> 02:05:02,239
would set that through the vote. You
would say, you know, if we wanted to do

1500
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:05,280
35 additional dollars on that and then
you could look and see, okay, what

1501
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:10,560
revenue would that bring in? What would
that do for it? So, so through that

1502
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:14,480
vote, you just set what that price is.
But I but I we you really haven't had

1503
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:16,480
time to
be right.

1504
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:20,400
» This is I just barely found out about
it. So I was just throwing that out as

1505
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:22,880
Hey, there's other options sometimes
that come up that maybe we're not aware

1506
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:25,440
of.
>> Council member Reer,

1507
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:29,440
» real quick, I don't know if you found
this out because it's brand new. Would

1508
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:34,080
that be a countywide vote or just
residents of the city?

1509
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:36,880
» Um I think it's countywide. So I think I
think you have to do it wide and I don't

1510
02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:41,520
know how that split would work. I know
they did it in Ada County. The mayor

1511
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:44,800
sent me over an article uh just barely
on that the Ada County, but Ada County

1512
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:47,520
is a little bit different because they
have a highway district that covers the

1513
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:53,040
county.
>> And then one kind of followup is would

1514
02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:55,760
that require a twothirds vote like many
of the other things that we need or a

1515
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:58,960
simple majority?
>> That's that's what I have to look into

1516
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:03,599
and see if what that would require. But
we can I can find out that information,

1517
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:06,000
bring it back if if the council wants to
>> look at look at that option as well.

1518
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,000
» Yeah.
>> So,

1519
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:11,760
» okay. Okay. Was there anybody else
>> for the questions before we continue on?

1520
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:16,800
Okay.
>> All right. So, we looked at those and

1521
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:22,480
then uh the committee kind of narrowed
it down to four four options uh

1522
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:27,520
potential options, right? One was set
aside a budget for sidewalk repair, a

1523
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:32,000
sidewalk cost sharing split. So, take on
on more than just the curb and gutter.

1524
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:36,239
Do a a cost sharing split and then
permanent levy override. And then um

1525
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:41,760
sidewalk cost sharing split with a
permanent levy override were the four

1526
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:45,440
options that we looked at. And so the
that first one budget item for sidewalk

1527
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:53,040
repair and replacement, the city of
Caldwell sets aside $150,000 a year uh

1528
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:56,719
just for sidewalk replacement. So um the
budgets that you would look at for that

1529
02:06:55,119 --> 02:07:01,840
would either be the general fund or the
street budget. So no additional revenue,

1530
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:04,800
it's just you're just taking
>> money from the

1531
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:09,599
» money from the budget and then using it
for that. So So there is that option. Uh

1532
02:07:09,199 --> 02:07:11,840
» mayor,
>> yes, Council Member Johnson,

1533
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:16,320
» I just wanted to [clears throat] clarify
on that one. And that would be doing it

1534
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:22,000
different than we do now. Um because
Caldwell doesn't tie it to street

1535
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:25,360
reconstruction. So it would be saying
this is when we do sidewalks, this is

1536
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:28,639
how many we do a year. We have 150 grand
a year to do it. We don't do it when we

1537
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:31,440
reconstruct streets anymore. Just to
have it make sense because I don't know.

1538
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:34,000
It needs a little background there.
>> Yeah. No, thank you.

1539
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:35,280
» Yeah. Y
mayor.

1540
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:38,880
» Yes.
>> Member Wiggins.

1541
02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:43,119
» Keith U $150,000
uh um doesn't do very many feet of

1542
02:07:42,239 --> 02:07:46,960
sidewalk.
>> No.

1543
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:49,440
» No. With the cost. So that that was an
amount. So we

1544
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:55,119
» Yeah. Which is I mean it's interesting.
It's interesting that they set aside

1545
02:07:50,960 --> 02:08:00,719
$150,000, but $150,000 doesn't do very
many feet of so it, you know, I mean,

1546
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:05,599
uh, it still wouldn't really help us
much as far as what we're what we're

1547
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:11,040
trying to do, I think.
>> Yeah. So, and that was just saying

1548
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:13,599
150,000. So, it could be depending on on
what the city council wanted to put in

1549
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:15,920
at that.
>> Council member Johnson,

1550
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:18,400
» sorry, I just want to add one thing to
that, too, to help it make sense, too.

1551
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,360
We could break down all that. I think if
you look at it, it helps you make sense

1552
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:24,480
if you break down like this is how much
of the total LI is for street

1553
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:27,360
reconstruction. This is how much for
curbon gutter, this is how much for

1554
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:31,920
sidewalk. And then it helps that
150,000. It puts it in perspective for

1555
02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:34,320
you because it might not be as much as
you're thinking. I'm not even saying

1556
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:36,800
that that's the best option. I'm just
saying that we went through and looked

1557
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:40,079
at how like this is how much we spent on
this, this, and this. If you break it

1558
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:42,400
out, it helps you understand it better.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1559
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:45,840
» Okay.
>> Okay. All right. Continue.

1560
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:49,360
» All right. So the the next one, right,
would just be doing a little bit more on

1561
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:55,760
the sidewalk uh replacement cost
sharing. So we the city would pick up uh

1562
02:08:52,880 --> 02:09:00,400
30% and then the property would pick up
70%. So that was an option. And then

1563
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,880
same type of thing, right? Just comes
out of the general fund or the street

1564
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:05,920
fund.
>> Okay. Council member TJ,

1565
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:08,960
» that is on top of the curbon gutter.
>> Yeah, on top of the curb gutter. This

1566
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:14,400
Yeah, thanks for that. So that would be
on top. So picking that up. Um, and then

1567
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:19,679
the next one, uh, would be a permanent
levy override. So that'd be right. And

1568
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:25,119
this is just looking at sidewalk, right?
So we still have sewer lines and things

1569
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:30,560
like that, but um, so that that would be
funded by a levy override. Uh, basically

1570
02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:34,880
be looking at $10 per 100,000 of
assessed value on that. Um, I'll have

1571
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:40,400
another slide that kind of shows what
that breakdown on different um,

1572
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:43,760
properties would look like. Council
member TJ

1573
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:48,079
» and that would be uh a vote, right? And
it had two/3s

1574
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:53,280
» two/3s supermajority for that. So any
permanent levy override requires a

1575
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:58,000
supermajority vote. Um and then the last
option is kind of a a modified with the

1576
02:09:55,360 --> 02:10:04,800
permanent levy override would be to look
at doing the permanent levy override

1577
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:09,679
with a a 7030 split, but this is 70%
paid by the city through that permanent

1578
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:15,520
levy override. the 30% paid by the
property owner. So, it gives a little

1579
02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:19,119
bit more um onus for the property owner
because they got to to pay in. I mean,

1580
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:21,440
one of the concerns with the 100% would
just be everyone would be coming in

1581
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:24,800
saying, "When are you going to do my
sidewalk? I'm paying into this. When are

1582
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:31,040
you going to come through do my
sidewalk?" This has them have a little

1583
02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:36,159
bit more skin in the game, if you will.
>> President Eric,

1584
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:41,440
» Mr. May Mayor, um, so this kind has sort
of morphed a little bit into just

1585
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:45,520
talking about just sidewalks. Uh, I
thought we were going to look at

1586
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:52,719
possibility of like trying to replace
LIS, but this will not replace an L,

1587
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:56,560
right? We still have to have for sewer
connections

1588
02:10:54,320 --> 02:11:00,320
» and I don't know what else, but
>> it it's really would be the sewer

1589
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:05,840
connections, right? if you if you did
the 100% le levy override and that was

1590
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:09,520
going to pay for all the sidewalk and
there's going to be times when we have

1591
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:14,000
more sidewalk and there might be times
when we have less sidewalk right just

1592
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:19,199
depends on the street what's happening
what we have going on so so that this is

1593
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:23,679
kind of looking at an average on that
and as costs go up the permanent levy

1594
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:29,040
override I believe you can probably
increase it by 3% a year

1595
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:32,480
» would would this also cover uh driveways
if if necessary during a rec pre

1596
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:36,159
reconstruction.
>> Uh if you're talking about the driveway

1597
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:38,880
approach that
>> approach. Yeah,

1598
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:43,360
» I believe we're just looking at sidewalk
but then looking at ADA uh requirements

1599
02:11:41,679 --> 02:11:47,199
with that. So
>> so not necessarily the driveway approach

1600
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:51,199
on that.
>> Now some of them are the sidewalk and

1601
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:55,599
the driveway approach right when it's
against the curb are the same. So but

1602
02:11:53,520 --> 02:12:00,159
when you have it offset then it's it's
different that way. One of the uh

1603
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:04,480
negative things that that would happen
if we if we got rid of LEDs is

1604
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:07,840
sometimes, not not often, but sometimes
we have people that will decide, you

1605
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:11,599
know, if their driveway is all cracked
up and stuff, they'll they'll replace

1606
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:16,239
the whole driveway and they want to put
that on the Luh, too, because they can

1607
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:19,920
spread out over 10 years.
>> So, if we get rid of LEDs, you know,

1608
02:12:18,159 --> 02:12:22,880
they'd have to pay that cost all up
front, which might be tough. I mean,

1609
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:26,400
that doesn't happen a lot, but it does
happen from time to time.

1610
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:32,960
And with the sewer line replacement, we
we can't get rid of LEDs. I mean, that

1611
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:36,639
would still be a a portion of it.
>> Council member Johnson, that I think

1612
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:42,000
this is an important thing to point out.
A restraint that we have is that um even

1613
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:46,960
if we did the permanent levy override
and even if it passed, it would only be

1614
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:50,800
for replacing sidewalk. Yes. Because,
you know, if we if we did all new

1615
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:54,000
sidewalk, we'd have to do it for like
all new developments and everything.

1616
02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:57,679
just be totally out of control. So, that
is one thing to remember is that if you

1617
02:12:55,760 --> 02:13:02,239
don't have a sidewalk, even if we passed
that um levy override, it's not going to

1618
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:04,880
help you. Um it's only to replace
sidewalk. And I think that's something

1619
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:07,440
really important to remember. So,
>> yeah, thank you for that, Clar.

1620
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:11,440
» If we passed it real quick, then I
wouldn't have to pay for my sidewalk.

1621
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:17,840
» It's going to go in here pretty soon,
>> Mr. Mayor. And as as I remember on all

1622
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:22,880
the LEDs, those that were con
constructing new sidewalks, those were

1623
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:25,360
the ones that were having to pay
>> Yeah.

1624
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:29,840
» considerable amounts of money, right?
The others were fairly small. I mean,

1625
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:31,679
because piece little pieces here and
there.

1626
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:35,760
» Yeah. Depending on how old it was. Now,
there was a a little bit, right, when

1627
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:40,159
you get into the 88 requirements, right,
where we have that cross slope. But but

1628
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:45,360
yeah, for the most part, depending on
how old it is or condition like that,

1629
02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:49,520
obviously the older it gets, the worse
condition, the more that has to happen

1630
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:55,040
on that. So,
>> um, so we had those. So, if you look at,

1631
02:13:52,079 --> 02:14:00,159
so this will give you an example of the
permanent levy override analysis,

1632
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:06,480
right? So, this would this would give us
a budget of about $230,000.

1633
02:14:03,599 --> 02:14:11,840
Um, and that's that $10 per 100,000
assessed value. So, if you look down at

1634
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:16,159
the bottom, it kind of covers over a
30-year what their cost would be on

1635
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:20,239
that. So, if you look at like a large
apartment complex, right? So, you look

1636
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:25,360
at a something that's valued in the
neighborhood of $28 million, right? Over

1637
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:28,360
that 30-year, they're going to pay about
$135,000

1638
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:36,159
over that 30-year period. uh you look at
a a townhouse, right? Assessed value of

1639
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:40,560
323,000,
you're going to be about $1,500

1640
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:48,320
on that. So you can see a single family
home is going to be about 1,600.

1641
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:51,679
Um so that's a a smaller single family
home, a larger single family home,

1642
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:55,840
right? You're going to be about 4,000.
So it all depends on that assessed

1643
02:14:53,199 --> 02:15:01,679
value. Um, and then you look at like a
large big box, once again, like a $21

1644
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:06,880
million store, uh, they're going to be
at 103,000. So that just kind of gives

1645
02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:14,960
you an idea of how that breakdown looks
when you do a permanent levy override.

1646
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:20,239
Um, and so it just kind of once again,
you've you guys have seen this with our

1647
02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:25,360
our street budget. Um, past fiveyear
average, we've been doing about $2.5

1648
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:31,440
million. That puts us on track to do our
roads every 60 years about. Um we're

1649
02:15:29,199 --> 02:15:37,840
seeing that decrease going down to about
$2 million. Um so that puts us on track

1650
02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:43,199
every 75 years. Right. So it's it's one
of those things that that budget is a is

1651
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:46,719
a big player and how often we can get to
different places. Now obviously we try

1652
02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:52,800
and go after grants. We've been
successful in those to to help fund

1653
02:15:49,599 --> 02:15:58,480
other reconstruction projects.
Um and then if you look at kind of our

1654
02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:04,800
street operating revenues, um we're
seeing that decline um happening in our

1655
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:08,480
revenue. So,
so it's never an easy decision. It's

1656
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:15,440
it's a lot easier when you have revenues
going up and you can can do more. But um

1657
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:21,920
the idea tonight was just to kind of go
over the the options that we discussed

1658
02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:25,679
in the LED committee meeting. We're not
looking for an action item from concert

1659
02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:31,760
tonight, but what we'd like to have you
guys do is to think about it. You know,

1660
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:37,120
maybe talk with community members and
and see if they have other things, but

1661
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:40,880
then uh we'd love to get back together
and then kind of have a discussion of

1662
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:46,080
what direction the city council would
like to go with that. And I don't know

1663
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:51,519
um how soon you you guys would like to
get back together. If you want to have a

1664
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:54,800
month or a couple months um to get back
together, we can we can do that. We

1665
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:58,800
could set up a work meeting or we could
do another council meeting. Just looking

1666
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:03,040
for council's direction.
>> Any preference uh council members who

1667
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:07,760
were on that committee? Council member
Johnson and who else was on that

1668
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:11,200
committee? Did it just Oh, both of you.
Okay. All right. Any preference? Would

1669
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:15,120
you want do you want to think about it
for a while and get together in a while

1670
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:18,800
or do you want to try to get together
pretty soon? Council member Tia,

1671
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:22,639
» I would uh prefer to do a work meeting
probably next month and just really sit

1672
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:26,559
down and and figure out which way we
want to go and then put it to a vote.

1673
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:29,439
» Okay.
>> And I think if we wait longer than a

1674
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:30,639
month, we might lose our
>> momentum.

1675
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:35,359
» Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Yeah. And I just actually sent you

1676
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:40,240
you'll notice on your phone I that deal
Keith was talking about. I I just saw

1677
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:43,679
that I think yesterday and I thought,
"Oh, this is interesting." I don't know

1678
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:47,280
if it's something that would work here
or not if people would vote for it, but

1679
02:17:45,359 --> 02:17:51,120
I guess it's it's another option. So,
we're always just trying to keep our

1680
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:56,399
eyes open for other options and things
that might work uh in that in that

1681
02:17:54,800 --> 02:18:02,240
direction. So, yes, Council Member
Rigggins,

1682
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:07,679
» Keith, do you have any idea what uh
what what what kind of time span it

1683
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:11,519
would take for if we were to go uh and
plead for the state to raise their gas

1684
02:18:09,679 --> 02:18:15,840
tax for for the
>> it would be a big undertaking.

1685
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:21,760
» Here's here's the reasoning behind it.
Uh and and I think we all understand it

1686
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:26,319
is that um all of those are all great
options. Actually, you guys have thought

1687
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:32,080
up some good stuff, but it's still all
coming from our own community. A gas

1688
02:18:29,519 --> 02:18:37,840
tax, if we were to get gas tax, it's
coming from all over, right? And so,

1689
02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:42,399
you're getting you're getting money from
outside of Rexburg, outside of Madison

1690
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:46,479
County. You're getting money from
California, Montana. I you know, people

1691
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:53,679
that are traveling through are filling
up gas here. And so it it's taking some

1692
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:58,639
of the pressure off of the taxpayers, us
within the community for that to happen.

1693
02:18:56,160 --> 02:19:04,880
That that's
I mean whatever it takes to figure out

1694
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:10,160
what it would that would be. I think
again from my perspective, it's bringing

1695
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:16,559
outside anytime you can bring in outside
money, it it's going to help the the the

1696
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:19,439
community. There you go. And council
member teaching has volunteered to take

1697
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:22,000
that to the state.
>> No, I have not. That is not why I'm

1698
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:24,960
raising my hand.
>> Go ahead. Comment.

1699
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:29,359
» Um I just uh do we know what kind of
timeline if we did the permanent levy

1700
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:32,800
that we would be looking to putting that
out? Is that something we could probably

1701
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:35,679
just discuss at the work meeting or
>> Yeah, I think we've discussed in the

1702
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:40,800
work meeting when would be the best time
to push that out, right? Obviously, it

1703
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:44,719
would just fall on whatever election was
was coming up that we'd want to push

1704
02:19:42,399 --> 02:19:50,160
that out. Now, I would highly recommend
that we make sure we have plenty of time

1705
02:19:47,439 --> 02:19:53,760
to get information out to all the voters
of how this would work, what the levy,

1706
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:59,520
permanent levy override would do, where
the money would be allocated for, make

1707
02:19:56,720 --> 02:20:03,520
sure we're very clear on that. Um
because I think I think that's important

1708
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:08,560
when anytime you're going out to vote is
to make sure we're clear on how that

1709
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:12,880
money will be spent.
>> Yeah, that's true. Okay. Council member

1710
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:16,880
Reer. Yes. One quick question and and
maybe it's not the appropriate time to

1711
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:22,720
ask it, but did the committee have a
favorite option or were they more like

1712
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:26,160
let's just look up all the options and
let the city council decide what they

1713
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:29,600
think is best?
>> Council member Johnson,

1714
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:33,520
» I would like to answer that because I I
think it would help the council members

1715
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:37,520
if they could have been in the the
meetings. I went away not knowing I

1716
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:41,040
didn't feel like there was one. I don't
know if I don't know how you felt that

1717
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:44,479
were in the meeting.
Yeah, there was a variety. I feel like

1718
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:50,399
every like business owners were not a
big fan of the 100% because you saw on

1719
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:54,240
the breakdown that they would pay more,
but residents that we talked to were in

1720
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:58,160
favor of it. Also, I don't think we had
one meeting where we had every single

1721
02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:01,680
committee member there and that made it
a lot more difficult to come to a

1722
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:05,680
consensus. But I think if you asked any
of the committee members like they each

1723
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:11,359
had one that they preferred, which makes
I I think that shows how hard this issue

1724
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:15,040
is. I think it's pretty difficult. So,
>> good information. Yes, council.

1725
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:19,359
» I would add to what um council member uh
Johnson said that I would I would think

1726
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:23,280
that they would lean towards one of the
levies is probably

1727
02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:27,120
» res the residents. That's that's what
they were either the 100% levy or the

1728
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:30,319
7030 split levy.
>> Yeah.

1729
02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:34,560
» Okay. All right. Any further questions
or comments? Well, thank you those of

1730
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:38,960
you who participate in that committee.
We thank you for your time and efforts

1731
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:42,960
there as well as the citizens who were
on that committee as well. That's a lot

1732
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:50,319
of a lot of work and time devoted to
trying to figure out a way to to do

1733
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:54,080
things in a better way. Um so I guess we
will leave that at that and uh Can I ask

1734
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:57,120
one more question? I'm sorry.
>> Yes, Council Member Johnson.

1735
02:21:55,200 --> 02:22:00,640
» Do you think it's a good idea to decide
on a date for that work meeting now so

1736
02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:04,000
that people can put it on their calendar
so that we have all the council members

1737
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:07,840
there? Like is that something we could
do?

1738
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:12,240
» We could. Yeah, we could do that.
>> Um, [snorts]

1739
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:16,800
but yeah, keeping in mind we probably
are going to try to

1740
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:20,000
Well, I was going to say we probably
want to have like our the C people come

1741
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:22,319
like we talked about and make a
presentation, but I don't think we need

1742
02:22:20,960 --> 02:22:26,720
a work meeting for that. I think we
could just do that.

1743
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:29,120
» Is the second council meeting in October
>> a good one? I just think of the first

1744
02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:34,000
one.
>> Let's let's look at our calendars.

1745
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:36,880
potato harvest going on. That might be a
little more difficult, but I was

1746
02:22:35,359 --> 02:22:40,960
thinking maybe the second one.
>> Second second meeting in October.

1747
02:22:39,359 --> 02:22:48,880
» Yeah, second council meeting in October.
>> Okay, which would be the 21st. Yeah.

1748
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:55,280
Um, looks okay. Does how how is
everybody for that meeting? October

1749
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:59,760
21st. You good? You good?
All right, let's go ahead and schedule

1750
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:05,520
it for October 21st.
and uh we'll put that on the agenda. And

1751
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:14,240
Deborah, would you please uh send out a
an invite to everybody for that? Okay.

1752
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:17,240
Thank you very much. October 21st.
Yeah.

1753
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:24,319
Just make sure that double check. Okay.
All right. Thank you for that

1754
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:28,720
information, Keith. We appreciate it.
Let's move on to item number two, which

1755
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:33,280
is to approve an ITD local professional
services agreement for Forsrren

1756
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:36,800
Associates to design the Teton River
connecting path and pedestrian bridge

1757
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:40,560
project.
>> That sounds exciting.

1758
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:46,080
» Yes. So, if you recall, we received a
grant. Um, and so this pathway is on the

1759
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:51,359
north side of the Teton River, kind of
there by Albertton's heading east. Um,

1760
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:55,520
and then with a pedestrian bridge coming
across the river there. So we kind of

1761
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:59,680
make can make like a little loop if you
will there. Um and so what we're we're

1762
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:04,960
recommending that we enter into this
contract

1763
02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:08,720
um with for Associates
um and the the contract is is stipulated

1764
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:11,359
not to exceed
>> Is there a map so we can see where

1765
02:24:10,399 --> 02:24:15,920
you're
>> um yeah we can bring up the

1766
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:18,720
» Sorry I meant to recognize you before he
stepped up.

1767
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:24,399
» That was council member Teen by the way.
>> Council member Teen. Yes.

1768
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:28,479
Okay. So, we are looking with that
grant. So, we have an existing pathway

1769
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:35,439
that you can kind of see right through
here um coming up and then this grant

1770
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:40,319
would take that pathway and then we
would run it along the river

1771
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:44,560
corridor. Originally we're looking at
the bridge here, but we're trying to see

1772
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:49,120
if we can push it a little further and
get the bridge over to this side. But

1773
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:54,800
the pathway would go follow along the
river all the way down to this location

1774
02:24:51,439 --> 02:24:59,840
where we have uh property, the city owns
property with that for that pathway and

1775
02:24:56,800 --> 02:25:03,840
then would come across and then
this location is the new part that we're

1776
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:07,840
just building right now. So,
>> Council Member Tun,

1777
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:11,520
» would there be access for those homes
like on Tangled Wood?

1778
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:14,960
» On Tangled Wood. Would they be able to
access that pretty easily, the the path

1779
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:20,800
or?
>> Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's a spot

1780
02:25:18,479 --> 02:25:23,680
through here uh that this development is
putting in that they could access Okay.

1781
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:25,680
» access the path.
>> That would be up to the development

1782
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:27,200
though to
>> Yeah. for that portion.

1783
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:31,200
» Connect it. Yeah.
>> Okay.

1784
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:36,080
» It' be a pretty good spot though. Um
Okay. One of the things that we have

1785
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:39,520
talked about council uh that you know
you ought to maybe weigh in on or just

1786
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:44,319
or just give me your opinion and we'd
probably refer this to our parks and

1787
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:49,120
trails uh committee to to discuss as
well. that is

1788
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:53,200
uh we've looked at uh internally we've
looked at the possibility of maybe

1789
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:58,399
instead of doing an asphalt path we just
do what they call a crushed granite path

1790
02:25:56,240 --> 02:26:03,439
that uh they'll take crushed granite put
it down and then put a a small gravel

1791
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:08,160
and and pack it down really good and and
in a lot of places they're doing that

1792
02:26:05,359 --> 02:26:12,560
because well we've got to look at we got
to have them look at it the expense and

1793
02:26:10,319 --> 02:26:17,680
see you know how the expense compares
but in my mind it seems like over time

1794
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:20,720
you would have less maintenance. You
know, you just have to spray some weeds

1795
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:24,640
once in a while, but you wouldn't have
as much asphalt maintenance. So, so

1796
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:27,760
that's something that I don't know if
you've got any opinions on if you do.

1797
02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:30,080
Let's let's hear them. Yes, Council
Member Teen.

1798
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:34,240
» Um, would it be ADA accessessible for
people with wheelchairs or or would that

1799
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:38,080
make it more difficult for them?
>> Uh, most of the ones that I've seen like

1800
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:41,840
in London, they do a lot of those in
even in the city and uh they're very

1801
02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:44,880
solid. Yeah. Yeah, they're really
>> That would just be my only concern is

1802
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:48,080
trying to make sure that it's still
accessible that way.

1803
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:51,120
» Yeah. Yeah. And uh you'd see a lot of
people pushing strollers along on those.

1804
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:54,880
And you know, they make them so that
they're packed. They're really almost

1805
02:26:52,399 --> 02:26:59,840
like concrete, but they're but you know,
if you you can dig into it if you if you

1806
02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:04,080
» if you needed to or wanted to, but it's
it's pretty solid.

1807
02:27:01,280 --> 02:27:06,080
» Follow. Do they become muddy with rain?
>> Maybe. What?

1808
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:10,000
» Muddy? Do they get
>> uh It drains pretty well. Yeah, because

1809
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:14,160
it rains a lot in London.
>> Hey, Mr. Mayor. Yes, Council President,

1810
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:19,600
» I agree 100%. We've got to do something
different than asphalt because all of

1811
02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:22,080
the trails are they're falling apart
that come up underneath them. They're

1812
02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:25,120
cracking.
>> I mean, when you talk about ADA

1813
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:29,920
accessible, I'm not sure I could you
could take a wheelchair down any of the

1814
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:33,200
» paths that we have without rattling
somebody to death. So, I would I think

1815
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:37,520
we should look at alternatives.
Absolutely. And good news, just so that

1816
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:43,920
you know, we did get a $15,000 grant
from AARP and we just barely uh found

1817
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:49,520
out that we also got was it 10,000 from
uh uh Rocky Mountain Power or 10,000 or

1818
02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:53,680
something in that. So to be able to make
some trail repairs in Nature Park. So a

1819
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:57,760
lot of that asphalt that's going like
this, we're going to go and cut it out

1820
02:27:55,359 --> 02:28:03,200
and replace it. Uh, unfortunately the
$25,000 probably won't do it all, but

1821
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:07,840
we'll add to some of that from our parks
money or our trails money that we have

1822
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:13,680
and try to improve those trails that
have gone kind of bad. So, but we'll

1823
02:28:10,479 --> 02:28:18,800
when but so can we when the uh let's see
who is it? Uh, Killer or Fors when Fores

1824
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:22,000
uh takes a look at this, can we have
them

1825
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:26,240
» evaluate both of those options? And
>> yeah, we can have a discussion on it. My

1826
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:29,359
one concern would just be plowing it in
the wintertime if we want to keep that

1827
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:32,319
pathway open. I'm not sure how well
>> how well that would plow.

1828
02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:37,840
» I don't I don't know on that. That would
be one one concern. I do like the idea

1829
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:42,000
because the roots coming up through uh
raising up the asphalt. I know kids on

1830
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:43,840
bikes like to jump them. So that I mean
there is a plus side.

1831
02:28:43,439 --> 02:28:47,840
» Yeah.
>> But generally it's it's not nice.

1832
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:52,560
» You lose that water.
>> Okay. All right. Well, thank you. Uh is

1833
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:57,920
there any other questions or comments on
uh approving this particular item from

1834
02:28:54,720 --> 02:29:02,160
anyone? If none, I would uh entertain a
motion to go ahead with this um

1835
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:06,160
professional services agreement. Is
there such a motion?

1836
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:09,600
» Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion that we
approve the ITD uh local professional

1837
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:12,800
services agreement for Forest GR
Associates for the Teton River

1838
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:14,720
connecting path and pedestrian bridge
project.

1839
02:29:13,359 --> 02:29:16,240
» All right. Thank you. Is there a second
that motion?

1840
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:20,800
» I'll second.
>> Second by council president Ericson. Any

1841
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:22,880
further discussion or questions? Hearing
none. All in favor?

1842
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:26,960
» I.
>> Any oppose? All right. Motion passes. We

1843
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:32,479
will go ahead with that contract. Any
other questions for Mr. Davidson before

1844
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:37,200
he before we let him off the hook here?
>> Second East is open now, Lisa. On

1845
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:42,720
» Oh, Second East is open. Good news.
>> Yes. So, that that sewer line connection

1846
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:46,240
is is completing paved back now. North
Second East still has construction going

1847
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:49,760
on, but
>> All right. Thank you. Oh, council member

1848
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:54,399
TJ has one more question.
>> I do have a question. So, when are we

1849
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:57,920
starting the construction on university
for the light

1850
02:29:56,160 --> 02:30:01,120
» for the It's going
>> It's It's already up there now. Okay.

1851
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:02,640
» Yeah.
>> For the light.

1852
02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:05,760
» Seven South.
>> Yeah. On South University.

1853
02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:07,520
» Well, not University.
>> Oh, sorry.

1854
02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:12,479
» Seven South Center.
>> Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I

1855
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:15,680
was confident on University.
>> You're right. Um Yeah. So, it's under

1856
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:20,160
construction right now. Okay. Um,
unfortunately there were some delays in

1857
02:30:17,359 --> 02:30:24,080
getting the materials in. Um, so they're
trying to get the underground in right

1858
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:28,000
now and then they're going to shut down
for that when the students come back for

1859
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:30,319
that week and then they'll start back up
after that.

1860
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:33,200
» So will that road be open when the
students are here next week?

1861
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:35,280
» Yeah, it's it's open right now.
>> Okay.

1862
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:38,160
» Um, right now they're just putting in
the basis for

1863
02:30:36,319 --> 02:30:41,280
» have cones along the sides. Yeah.
>> Okay.

1864
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:46,479
» Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
Davidson. I appreciate that. All right.

1865
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:50,319
Item number eight is mayor's business.
Uh we do have a proclamation, but before

1866
02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:55,840
we go there, I will just give you a
little bit of information on some of the

1867
02:30:52,080 --> 02:31:01,479
things Keith and I actually attended. Um
Oh, boy. You guys don't want to leave.

1868
02:30:57,280 --> 02:31:01,479
The exciting stuff is coming up

1869
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:08,000
for now.
>> All right, we'll let you go. We can't

1870
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:11,920
keep you here. We can't force you to
stay. Thank you for coming. It was fun

1871
02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:16,080
having you. We appreciate you being
here. All right. Um, yeah, as I

1872
02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:20,880
mentioned, Keith and I, we actually
hosted right here in this room what they

1873
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:25,760
the Idaho Water Users Association, which
is a statewide association. We hosted

1874
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:31,600
what they call the water college. Every
year they do they do a a a water

1875
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:35,680
college, which is an educational thing
specifically designed for legislators to

1876
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:39,439
come to to learn more about water and
all the water issues we have. So, we

1877
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:43,439
spent about an hour right here in this
room uh talking about the different

1878
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:48,479
water issues and Keith gave a really
good presentation along with some other

1879
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:54,080
folks from rural water and different uh
organizations and help we we help try to

1880
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:58,399
uh really let the legis the future and
current legislators know things about

1881
02:31:56,800 --> 02:32:02,720
water and help them to understand the
issues and how we can try to do things

1882
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:06,560
better as a state. So, anyway, and then
we got on a couple of buses and we took

1883
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:10,640
them on a tour. We went over to the
Walters Pond where we do our recharge

1884
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:15,200
and showed them how we do that. And then
and then we traveled up around St.

1885
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:21,280
Anthony and Ashton and looked at some u
updated uh irrigation project things

1886
02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:25,280
that the state has helped to fund and it
was really helpful. I uh I was

1887
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:28,960
interested because a lot of the water
meetings I'm in, they always talk about

1888
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:33,439
how we can be more efficient with canals
with automation and things and I've you

1889
02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:36,399
know you kind of get automation but I
didn't really know exactly what they're

1890
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:40,399
talking about. And we were able to see
some of these big headgates that

1891
02:32:38,479 --> 02:32:44,800
normally the the water masters would
have to go out and literally physically

1892
02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:50,319
pull boards out of the canal to let
water go by. And uh now they've put in

1893
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:53,920
these automated stainless steel gates
that they can control with their phone

1894
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:58,160
from their home and it'll automatically
open the gates and close them. And one

1895
02:32:56,160 --> 02:33:01,840
of the examples they gave us was last
year or maybe not last year but before

1896
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:07,359
they put in these automated ones up on
the canal up by St. Anthony. They wanted

1897
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:11,760
to do some water recharge to send water
out to the sand dunes out there to the

1898
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:15,040
eegan lakes because they just let water
go out there and it sinks into the

1899
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:20,319
ground into the aquifer. But it took
them so long to go down and pull all the

1900
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:24,720
boards by the time they got that done.
It was like 13 days and they're they're

1901
02:33:22,479 --> 02:33:28,960
they're limited on the time that they
can do that. And so by the time they got

1902
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:33,600
them all pulled, the time limit was
over. So they weren't able to do any

1903
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:36,640
recharge. So now they've got these
automated ones in there where the guy

1904
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:41,439
can actually just sit in his homers in
his truck and he can he can say open and

1905
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:46,000
they all just open up and the water just
flows. And so a lot of things like that

1906
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:50,000
that were really interesting to see and
learn about that uh that can help us be

1907
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:54,160
more efficient with our water and and
that's what we got to do because uh you

1908
02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:57,520
know if if we don't have a big snow year
this year, we're going to kind of be in

1909
02:33:55,920 --> 02:34:03,520
trouble with our water supplies next
year. So pray for snow, especially in

1910
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:09,040
the mountains, right? Okay. Um, let's go
ahead with U.

1911
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:15,520
Proclamation number 2026-04
is Constitution Week and it's something

1912
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:23,520
that happens on September 17th to the
23rd. So, we are going to go ahead and

1913
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:30,880
read this proclamation and then if you
feel like it, we will uh we'll ratify

1914
02:34:26,560 --> 02:34:35,520
it. All right, let me find find it here.
I think I opened my envelope from the

1915
02:34:32,720 --> 02:34:40,960
wrong side. Okay, here we go. This is
proclamation number 2026-04

1916
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:47,840
proclaiming September 17th to the 23rd
as Constitution Week. Whereas September

1917
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:50,800
17th, 2026 marks the 239th
anniversary of the drafting of the

1918
02:34:49,359 --> 02:34:54,960
Constitution of the United States of
America by the Constitutional

1919
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:59,920
Convention. And whereas it is fitting
and proper to afford official

1920
02:34:56,560 --> 02:35:04,319
recognition to this magnificent document
and its memorable anniversary and to the

1921
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:09,680
patriotic celebrations with which will
commemorate the occasion. And whereas

1922
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:13,120
public law 915 guarantees the issuing of
a proclamation each year by the

1923
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:18,720
president of the United States of
America designating September 17th

1924
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:22,640
through 23rd as Constitution Week. Now
therefore, I, Jerry Merrill, by virtue

1925
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:27,520
of the authority vest vested in me as
mayor of the city of Rexburg, do hereby

1926
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:32,720
proclaim the week of September 17th
through 23rd as Constitution Week, and

1927
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:38,640
ask our citizens to reaffirm the ideals
the framers of the Constitution had in

1928
02:35:35,439 --> 02:35:43,200
1787 by vigilantly protecting the
freedoms guaranteed to us through this

1929
02:35:40,880 --> 02:35:48,560
guardian of our liberties, remembering
that lots lost rights may never be

1930
02:35:46,399 --> 02:35:54,080
regained. adopted by the city of
Rexburg, state of Idaho on the second

1931
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:59,120
day of September of 2026.
All right.

1932
02:35:55,760 --> 02:36:02,479
Given that proclamation, is there any
discussion or questions about this

1933
02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:06,960
before we move forward with the
ratification?

1934
02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:10,800
Hearing none, I would entertain a motion
to ratify this proclamation.

1935
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:14,560
» Mr. Mayor,
>> yes, Council Member Reer.

1936
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:19,520
» Um, well, as the one government teacher
on here, maybe I should do this one. Um,

1937
02:36:17,359 --> 02:36:24,479
I propose that we ratify proclamation
2026-04

1938
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:27,120
recognizing September 17th to the 23rd
as Constitution Week.

1939
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:29,760
» All right. Thank you. Is there a second
to that motion?

1940
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:32,760
» A second.
>> Council.

1941
02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:40,640
» Seconded. I think I think I heard her
just beat you by Barely. So

1942
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:44,160
» seconded by Council Member Teen. Um, any
further discussion or questions? You're

1943
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:48,960
welcome to You're welcome to make any
comments about this proclamation if

1944
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:54,800
you'd like. If there are none, I would
entertain a or sorry, we've got a motion

1945
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:58,960
and a second on the floor. Uh is anybody
in favor?

1946
02:36:57,200 --> 02:37:01,840
» All in favor? Sorry, that wasn't a good
way to put that. All in favor say I.

1947
02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:08,560
» I.
>> All right. Any opposed?

1948
02:37:04,399 --> 02:37:13,760
Thank you. That that motion passes. Boy,
I'm starting to trying to go too fast

1949
02:37:10,399 --> 02:37:18,560
here. All right, let's move on to item
number nine A, which is the planning and

1950
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:23,840
zoning recommendation to approve a
conditional use permit for a cell tower

1951
02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:29,520
and regional business center located at
approximately 1450 North Second East in

1952
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:33,120
the city of Rexburg. Mr. Parkinson, what
can you tell us about this?

1953
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:38,880
» Mayor, council members, thank you. The
tower will be lo will they're requesting

1954
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:43,840
to locate it right in this back corner.
This is the Walmart store. They want to

1955
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:51,760
put it right in that back corner and it
is a three row cell tower. They've got

1956
02:37:47,920 --> 02:37:55,840
FCC approval, FAA approval. Um, one of
the challenges we come up against was

1957
02:37:54,080 --> 02:38:00,240
how do we keep this from landing on
buildings because it was located within

1958
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:04,399
that landing distance. They have an
engineer that has signed off

1959
02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:11,120
guaranteeing that this will fall upon
itself and not land outside that zone.

1960
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:16,479
And so after that then we uh approved it
as staff took it to PNZ and they are

1961
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:22,000
recommending it to you for approval.
>> All thank you. Is there any questions

1962
02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:26,479
about that for Mr. Parkinson?
Hearing none, I would entertain a motion

1963
02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:31,359
to move forward with this uh conditional
use permit. Is there such a motion?

1964
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:35,439
» I'll make a motion. Mayor,
>> council member Wiggins,

1965
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:38,720
» there we move forward with the
recommendation to approve the

1966
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:43,680
conditional use permit for the cell
tower uh the regional business center

1967
02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:46,479
located approximately 1450 north.
Second, city of Rexburg.

1968
02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:48,319
» All right. Thank you. Is there a second
to that motion?

1969
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:52,800
» I'll second.
>> Second by council member Johnson. Any

1970
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:56,000
further questions or discussion? Yes,
Council Member Reer.

1971
02:38:53,840 --> 02:39:01,439
» Uh one quick question. Uh will this
improve the sale coverage my home on the

1972
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:04,880
northeast corner?
um northwest corner of the city.

1973
02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:07,280
» Well, that I don't know
>> because I I can pretty well almost see

1974
02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:10,640
it across.
>> I'm like you. I'm hoping it approves it

1975
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:13,680
where I live.
>> Put it up on the tower of the

1976
02:39:12,240 --> 02:39:16,640
» Mr. Mr. Mayor.
>> Council. Yes. Council member

1977
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:20,880
» when we over the city meetings just
bring up some information. I sat down

1978
02:39:18,399 --> 02:39:25,200
and talked to Verizon I guess area
manager and that was one of the biggest

1979
02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:29,359
thing is they they had to find some more
location to put a Verizon tower in city

1980
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:32,720
Rexburg and they said we need some help
with that. So they were asking for that

1981
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:36,880
there
>> the one I was talking city meetings over

1982
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:42,560
in Boisey. So this should be a good
thing for a city to bring up Verizon and

1983
02:39:39,120 --> 02:39:47,280
I think they talked plans T-Mobile and
>> well Verizon has signed there are two

1984
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:51,200
others they are trying to
>> AT&T but Verizon

1985
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:54,720
» the other thing I I I do like is it's
located in a commercial area rather than

1986
02:39:53,120 --> 02:40:00,880
in the middle of a residential that
seems to fit a lot better too. So that's

1987
02:39:56,560 --> 02:40:05,439
nice. So yeah. Okay. All right. Uh, at
this point then, is there a motion to

1988
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:09,520
» approve? Did we already have a motion
and a second? Oh, that's right. And then

1989
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:12,479
we had question. Okay. All right. So, at
this point in time, all in favor of this

1990
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:16,080
action.
>> I

1991
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:23,359
» Any opposed? All right. Thank you. We'll
go ahead and get that cup approved or we

1992
02:40:20,240 --> 02:40:29,040
will get it noted. All right. Thank you.
Item B is the to review the committee

1993
02:40:26,960 --> 02:40:33,840
recommendation of the police station
facility options. So we're going to turn

1994
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:39,840
the time over to Mr. Matt Nielsen and
Chief Rhodess for this review.

1995
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:45,520
Thank you for being here by the way.
>> So appreciate your time. Okay, Josh and

1996
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:51,359
I are gonna kind of tag team this a
little bit and then um just so you guys

1997
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:57,200
know when we say internal committee on
this um you know the people that were

1998
02:40:53,840 --> 02:41:03,439
there so the mayor council member Reer
was there uh we had our attorney myself

1999
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:08,479
as the CFO and then we had Josh and Gary
so the police chief and assistant police

2000
02:41:06,080 --> 02:41:13,359
chief and then we did have we also
invited a few of our consultants I guess

2001
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:19,120
you would say to to one of those
meetings as well. And so so anyways, as

2002
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:23,439
this comes forward, just that was the
the committee that we're talking about.

2003
02:41:21,439 --> 02:41:27,359
And so and so we're going to we're going
to jump in. Deb's going to pull the map,

2004
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:30,640
too. So if we need to pull up and show
locations, we can. Um but do you want to

2005
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:35,520
jump in?
>> Yep. So, first I would just like to

2006
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:40,160
thank the support that we've had from
the council um and from the city as

2007
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:45,200
we've looked for different options and
we went through the process

2008
02:41:42,720 --> 02:41:48,960
this last last year and and all that we
went through in the planning and

2009
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:54,240
approvals and trying to to work through
that. Um as the city continues to grow

2010
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:58,319
everywhere we look, there's still more
and more growth with apartments and

2011
02:41:55,840 --> 02:42:04,000
buildings. And as that that growth
continues, our our need for

2012
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:09,760
a facility to accommodate the the needs
of the people and for our ability to do

2013
02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:15,040
our job continues to increase. I I
believe most everyone toured the police

2014
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:20,160
department. Um we we outlined just a few
of the the main things that we are

2015
02:42:18,240 --> 02:42:26,160
really in a in a critical spot for
timing. So, as as this continues and we

2016
02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:31,280
aren't quite sure which direction we're
going and as as those years expand out,

2017
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:37,840
um the need continues to to be more
critical. The the biggest things we we

2018
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:42,000
face right now are are evidence. Um it
is in the basement of our current

2019
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:46,479
facility and we continually run out of
room and we're trying to uh relocate

2020
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:53,359
some of that evidence to our secondary
facility over at the training facility.

2021
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:57,760
Uh but those those needs continue as as
we take more calls, more cases, we get

2022
02:42:55,840 --> 02:43:01,760
more and more evidence that we are
processing

2023
02:42:59,359 --> 02:43:07,840
the the technology.
We're at a point too with cameras and

2024
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:12,800
updating uh some of our just the main
technology that we're we're struggling

2025
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:19,840
financially to keep up with the the
updates. Uh but the the biggest things

2026
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:26,319
too right now is our our space. Uh right
now we have multiple detectives

2027
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:31,359
married up in the same room and it makes
it difficult as they do investigations

2028
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:35,920
and they they're working on privacy with
victims and witnesses

2029
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:40,479
usually. Well, it it delays a lot of
their

2030
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:47,120
their interviews. They have to plan to
be in a separate room. Um with that is

2031
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:53,680
our our witness um interview rooms. We
don't have an actual witness and victim

2032
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:59,520
interview room. We have a kind of a we
call it a hard interview room and we

2033
02:43:56,319 --> 02:44:05,279
have a multi-use conference room that we
use as an interview room right now and

2034
02:44:01,920 --> 02:44:10,479
we make it work. Um, but as we we get
bigger cases and have multiple suspects

2035
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:15,439
or multiple victims, we're having to use
other facilities to do those interviews.

2036
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:20,800
So th those are some of the the bigger
things. And then um obviously that that

2037
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:24,640
future planning as we continue to to
grow as a department and we add more

2038
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:29,600
personnel.
We we are running out of that space for

2039
02:44:26,720 --> 02:44:35,200
everything from parking to to the office
space and and I know we've we've a lot

2040
02:44:32,960 --> 02:44:41,439
of you have toured and come through and
here next week when the students start

2041
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:45,840
coming back um probably September
14th is the Monday you can drive by the

2042
02:44:44,319 --> 02:44:49,359
police station. you'll kind of see the
overflow.

2043
02:44:47,279 --> 02:44:54,960
» We'll [clears throat] we'll usually have
anywhere from 30 to 50 people stacked up

2044
02:44:52,240 --> 02:45:01,120
um lined out the door getting parking
permits. And so we one of one of the

2045
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:05,520
other last concerns we have is uh like
fingerprints. They're working right on

2046
02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:11,200
the the top of each other in our front
office uh lobby area. And so those are

2047
02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:16,399
some of the bigger concerns that we
have, some of the critical needs that

2048
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:23,279
we're facing as we we look for timing,
as we we look for different options for

2049
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:28,319
the the police station growth. Um, as as
you all know, we we did the general

2050
02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:34,160
obligation bond in November 2025 and
then again in May 2025 or 2026. Uh, both

2051
02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:37,760
those measures failed. After the first
one,

2052
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:42,080
appreciate you working with us. We we
had the survey that we put out and we

2053
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:47,680
had a lot of good feedback from the
community. We made some adjustments on

2054
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:53,840
that bond measure to reduce the cost. Uh
that was one of the bigger concerns and

2055
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:58,880
location was was one of the concerns. We
we did all that we could to to adapt and

2056
02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:04,479
adjust to what the public recommended
and wanted. Uh and then with that second

2057
02:46:01,920 --> 02:46:10,160
attempt on the bond, uh unfortunately
our percentage of voters did go up and

2058
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:15,520
the percentage of our yes votes went
down. Um and so that was that was a

2059
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:20,319
concern we had as we created the
committee to review what our best

2060
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:24,160
options were moving forward. Uh like
Matt mentioned, that's where we we

2061
02:46:22,399 --> 02:46:28,800
pulled together and we've started
looking at different options through

2062
02:46:26,319 --> 02:46:35,760
throughout the city. what's what's best
for for us for this for the public. Uh

2063
02:46:32,479 --> 02:46:39,600
we've taken a lot of uh comments,
opinions that we took after that second

2064
02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:44,560
bond. We didn't do another survey after
the second bond. Uh but one of the

2065
02:46:42,319 --> 02:46:49,840
biggest concerns, the feedback that we
got back was the location of our

2066
02:46:47,840 --> 02:46:54,800
proposed location during that the first
two bond proposals. So, I'll let Matt

2067
02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:59,040
kind of explain a little more of the the
options that we went over as a

2068
02:46:56,160 --> 02:47:03,840
committee. Right. Thank you, Chief.
>> All right. And then as we go through

2069
02:47:00,880 --> 02:47:10,640
these, we So we we have three options
that we show here. It's not to say that

2070
02:47:07,359 --> 02:47:14,720
there's not other options out there. Um
and so I mean, by all means, if if

2071
02:47:13,279 --> 02:47:18,080
council members feel like there's
another better option, then let's

2072
02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:25,120
discuss those, right? And so, but these
are the three that we felt like were

2073
02:47:21,279 --> 02:47:30,399
real options. When you look at um you
know, where this could be built, how it

2074
02:47:28,240 --> 02:47:35,120
could be built, how much it would cost.
We looked at analysis of down payments.

2075
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:38,720
Uh could you come up with a down payment
and reduce the burden of how much you

2076
02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:42,880
borrow? All of those things were kind of
taken into consideration as we looked at

2077
02:47:40,640 --> 02:47:47,840
these three options. And then of course
we also looked at funding sources which

2078
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:52,319
will be a topic that we we continue to
repeat tonight because you know really

2079
02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:57,600
you you have to look at your funding
sources right because it it really kind

2080
02:47:55,920 --> 02:48:01,760
of goes back to what options are
feasible financially.

2081
02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:06,960
Um I'm not saying they're always the
best option but financially they may be

2082
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:10,800
the best option. And so as we looked at
it, here's the three we we zeroed in on

2083
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:15,760
and we'll take you through a individual
analysis of each. So the first one was

2084
02:48:13,520 --> 02:48:22,160
we said, do we wait a few years and try
to pass another general obligation and

2085
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:25,920
I'll say go forward go bond uh which of
course takes a super majority and just

2086
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:30,479
build a new police station facility
because I mean ultimately a new police

2087
02:48:28,640 --> 02:48:34,720
station facility would great in
addressing all of those concerns, right?

2088
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:40,000
The second thing we looked at is we
said, do we look at purchasing

2089
02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:46,800
purchasing an existing building in town?
Um, and you know that we looked at uh a

2090
02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:50,720
couple sites. Um, one of them the
individual asked us not to disclose. The

2091
02:48:48,640 --> 02:48:54,160
other one we kind of analyzed the BMC
site because we'd had some people say,

2092
02:48:52,160 --> 02:48:57,520
"Well, what about that BMC site?" And
honestly, I don't even know if it's for

2093
02:48:55,520 --> 02:49:03,760
sale. We don't know how much it costs.
Uh, but we did our best analysis that we

2094
02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:09,439
could. Um, and so as we did that, we
looked at existing buildings, buying

2095
02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:13,040
that, and then renovating slash possibly
having to add some additional space

2096
02:49:11,439 --> 02:49:17,600
that's new space because some of those
buildings would be too small right from

2097
02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:23,040
the get-go. Um, and then of course the
third option we looked at is do we

2098
02:49:20,240 --> 02:49:26,720
consider, and we've discussed this over,
if you look back the last six years at

2099
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:31,279
council minutes, we've discussed this
option. And so we said, do we look at

2100
02:49:28,880 --> 02:49:38,000
the building of a new city hall office
building um and then renovate this

2101
02:49:34,560 --> 02:49:43,359
current city hall into a police station
facility. So really those are the three

2102
02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:49,920
options. Um and so we will take you
through option one. So you know option

2103
02:49:47,120 --> 02:49:54,160
one if we were able to wait a few years
and pass a general obligation bond

2104
02:49:52,399 --> 02:50:00,240
there's some positives like we already
own the land. Um there is still that

2105
02:49:57,040 --> 02:50:04,560
concern of where that land's located. Um
obviously it's not located in the

2106
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:08,000
downtown, but you know some of the
positives are that the police could

2107
02:50:06,240 --> 02:50:11,520
really have all of their facilities
there. They could have their training

2108
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:16,000
facility, they could have their offices,
they could have public gathering space.

2109
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:21,439
Those are positives and they could
address really all the concerns that

2110
02:50:17,600 --> 02:50:28,399
Josh covered from safety to security,
technology, etc.

2111
02:50:23,600 --> 02:50:32,720
Um it would be a new construction and um
it would be you know we could design it

2112
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:36,800
in a way that down the road 20 years
from now we could do additions and

2113
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:42,960
expand that building right and
particularly on that site because it's 5

2114
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:48,479
acres. The biggest issues though were
that there's fewer funding sources

2115
02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:52,560
available when you pay for that. And so,
and you've got to think of those funding

2116
02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:57,439
sources as how much can you come up with
upfront for a down payment and then how

2117
02:50:55,520 --> 02:51:02,319
much can you come up for for an annual
payment if you were to borrow money. And

2118
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:07,120
then the of course the biggest thing is
the timing is unknown. You know, we

2119
02:51:04,479 --> 02:51:11,359
would have to go back out to vote. Um it
may not pass again. It may never pass.

2120
02:51:09,439 --> 02:51:16,399
You know, we don't know those things.
And so that was that was kind of our

2121
02:51:13,040 --> 02:51:22,560
analysis of that first one. Um, and then
the other thing that I I will mention is

2122
02:51:19,520 --> 02:51:25,520
that we did and when I and not in this,
we actually looked at it as we went

2123
02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:31,040
through and considered putting the
police station new police station on the

2124
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:35,359
the bond or the ballot. Remember, it's a
while back, but we actually already did

2125
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:39,680
look at a alternative funding through a
lease appropriation

2126
02:51:37,200 --> 02:51:42,960
and it came back at I think it was 800
and something thousand a year that the

2127
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:48,240
general fund would have to come up with.
And so it just was not something that

2128
02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:53,359
financially we could afford to do. And
so that's important to remember as well.

2129
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:57,520
Um so then we
Any questions on option one before I

2130
02:51:55,760 --> 02:52:01,200
jump to option two or am I good to just
keep moving through these?

2131
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:07,680
» Yes, Council Member Teen.
>> And I'm I'm I'm um assuming that option

2132
02:52:04,160 --> 02:52:10,399
one is based on the the 14 million that
we were asking before, but that prices

2133
02:52:09,279 --> 02:52:13,120
could go up,
>> right? And so

2134
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:16,640
» that's part of like if it takes 20
years, it could also increase.

2135
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:20,880
» Yeah. And what we did when we get down
to that section where we look at

2136
02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:26,640
estimated initial construction costs, we
took everything we had come up with and

2137
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:31,279
we added 10%. To kind of create a range.
So um Okay. So I think there was there

2138
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:35,200
another hand or are we good?
>> Uh nope.

2139
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:40,240
» Okay. Option two. So purchase an
existing building in town and renovate

2140
02:52:36,880 --> 02:52:45,200
it into a police station facility. So
this one was um you know one of the

2141
02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:51,439
challenges is you would have to locate a
building that actually exists is for

2142
02:52:47,279 --> 02:52:55,439
sale and meets those needs, right? And
so so it's kind of it's a very difficult

2143
02:52:53,760 --> 02:53:01,200
one because sure there's some buildings
available that may be severely undized

2144
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:05,840
and require a lot of additional cost to
build not only new square footage but

2145
02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:09,920
renovate as well.
And then um there are some some

2146
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:16,160
buildings that are a little bit larger,
but I'll tell you the second location

2147
02:53:12,479 --> 02:53:20,720
that we looked at was primarily it was a
primarily a steel building to kind of

2148
02:53:18,560 --> 02:53:25,680
give you an idea of what it looked like.
It I mean it was a good-looking steel

2149
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:30,560
building, but there was a lot of
renovation cost that would have to go

2150
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:35,279
into that facility. And so so that's
that's the biggest X factor is we don't

2151
02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:39,279
actually have someone coming to us and
saying buy this. Uh we would have to go

2152
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:44,560
out and search for that and there's some
unknowns. The other thing is is that

2153
02:53:42,399 --> 02:53:49,279
option may not address all the current
police facility challenges as well. Uh

2154
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:52,720
because until you know what you're
buying, you you don't really know what

2155
02:53:50,720 --> 02:53:57,439
the potential issues that are going to
continue are. And then this this one was

2156
02:53:55,359 --> 02:54:02,880
also an issue because of fewer funding
sources available for that down payment

2157
02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:07,359
and annual payment. And once again, as
we looked at this option, we saw that

2158
02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:12,160
you you really wouldn't be able to come
up with enough funding through the lease

2159
02:54:09,600 --> 02:54:18,000
appropriation process. So it would
probably take a general obligation bond

2160
02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:25,040
as well. And so so the timing was very
unknown. And so so we looked at that. Um

2161
02:54:22,319 --> 02:54:30,000
Deb's going to roll that for us. So then
we looked at this option three of

2162
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:35,279
building a new city hall office building
and then renovating the current city

2163
02:54:31,840 --> 02:54:40,960
hall into a police station facility.
And and I I'll just say and we kind of

2164
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:44,319
hit this on the slide a few down. You
know, we've had a lot of people say,

2165
02:54:42,319 --> 02:54:48,319
"Well, what's wrong with city hall?"
We're not we're not saying that there's

2166
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:54,720
anything wrong with city hall. City Hall
is great. City Hall would serve uh city

2167
02:54:51,840 --> 02:55:01,920
hall's purposes for probably decades to
come to be quite honest. Um but there

2168
02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:06,160
are reasons why um we feel like this is
a good option to to build a new city

2169
02:55:04,399 --> 02:55:10,960
hall and then move them into this
current city hall and we're going to

2170
02:55:07,359 --> 02:55:15,840
cover those. So one is is that the
police if they were to move into this

2171
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:20,960
city hall it's in a central location in
the downtown right which is great. Now,

2172
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:24,640
they would have to still have some of
their functions at their training

2173
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:30,880
facility, which is down by the shop on
Fifth West. But in talking to Josh and

2174
02:55:28,080 --> 02:55:35,279
and Gary, they felt like they could move
some of those trainings into this

2175
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:39,279
building, that this building could serve
some of that. But you're still going to

2176
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:44,560
have those two locations.
Um, this [clears throat] option provides

2177
02:55:41,520 --> 02:55:48,399
the most funding sources. So from a
financial standpoint, this is the best

2178
02:55:46,560 --> 02:55:54,319
option in terms of coming up with the
largest down payment, which then reduces

2179
02:55:51,359 --> 02:56:00,560
your your borrowing and which reduces
your annual payments. it uh creates the

2180
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:05,840
least amount of interest to be paid back
and it also creates the least amount of

2181
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:10,800
financial burden to the general fund and
to the taxpayer if you don't have to do

2182
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:14,240
a general obligation bond because then
you're you're not asking them to

2183
02:56:12,319 --> 02:56:16,399
increase their property taxes.
>> Yes.

2184
02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:19,760
» So what are those funding sources?
>> We're going to hit them. So that that's

2185
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:28,319
coming up. Yeah, we'll go we'll we'll
dive in. Um the other thing is that um

2186
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:32,960
as we looked at um so this is where Deb
I'm going to have you zoom in by the

2187
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:36,720
library. So so we had to look at well if
we were to build a new city hall where

2188
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:43,279
would it be? You know what's the pros
and cons of that? So as you know um go

2189
02:56:41,040 --> 02:56:48,560
ahead and just highlight it. So, right
across from the library here, this this

2190
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:53,600
1 and a half acre parcel has been
purchased by the city of Rexburg in

2191
02:56:50,880 --> 02:56:57,760
Madison County. They bought it from the
school district. Um, there's been a

2192
02:56:56,240 --> 02:57:01,439
little confusion. Some people have said,
"Well, no, Urban Renewal bought that."

2193
02:56:59,520 --> 02:57:08,640
That's not true. Urban Renewal bought
the 4.2 acres that's down below that

2194
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:13,760
where the where the building is. And one
of the strengths to this location is

2195
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:19,520
Urban Renewal has agreed to come in and
put in public parking. And when you look

2196
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:24,640
at the layouts of that public parking
just for flat surface alone, I don't

2197
02:57:22,479 --> 02:57:32,399
remember the exact number, but it's like
140 something public parking stalls. And

2198
02:57:28,319 --> 02:57:37,680
so, so that makes this a very attractive
location for any municipal building,

2199
02:57:35,200 --> 02:57:42,399
city or county. because there would be
public parking there that would not only

2200
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:46,800
serve buildings here that are new, but
also the existing buildings such as the

2201
02:57:44,319 --> 02:57:52,080
library, the tabernacle,
etc. The other thing that's advantageous

2202
02:57:49,359 --> 02:57:57,120
about this parcel is you'll notice on
the west and the north, no, I probably

2203
02:57:55,040 --> 02:58:02,640
got that wrong. Did I get that right?
The west and north side, um, there's bus

2204
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:07,439
lanes. And so that's that's another
positive to these locations. And so as

2205
02:58:04,960 --> 02:58:15,520
you think about formbbased code,
formbbased code requires you to build um

2206
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:20,080
certain number of stories. And so we in
this location we would have to build

2207
02:58:17,120 --> 02:58:26,560
three stories. And so you would probably
have somewhere between a 9 to 12,000

2208
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:32,479
square footprint times three. And so
that is a positive because you're taking

2209
02:58:28,640 --> 02:58:39,760
a very small chunk of ground out of
potential tax generation if you will for

2210
02:58:35,520 --> 02:58:44,880
redevelopment, right? And so so and I
mean you got to remember all of this

2211
02:58:41,520 --> 02:58:49,920
acreage has not been taxable for who
knows how long, probably a hundred

2212
02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:53,920
years. And so so that's one of the
things that's encouraging is if you did

2213
02:58:51,840 --> 02:58:59,439
build a city hall here, you're taking a
very small footprint out of it. your

2214
02:58:55,680 --> 02:59:03,600
downtown. Um, okay. So, I'm going to
jump back to the slides real quick.

2215
02:59:01,359 --> 02:59:08,640
Let's jump back to the slides. There's a
few other points I want to hit. And so,

2216
02:59:06,160 --> 02:59:13,600
so I already mentioned where I mentioned
that there's parking that urban renewal

2217
02:59:10,800 --> 02:59:17,920
will be adding. That's all benefits. Um,
the other thing that's nice about this

2218
02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:22,640
option in general is it allows for a
transition of the police department to

2219
02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:29,520
the old city hall once this building is
complete. But it also allows us to plan.

2220
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:31,439
» I just have knowing where they're both
has a question.

2221
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:33,120
» That's supposed to be first north.
>> Wait till we get

2222
02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:35,439
» Sorry, what?
>> That's supposed to be First North.

2223
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:40,240
» Yeah, it is supposed to be First North.
Good catch.

2224
02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:45,200
That's my bad. Um, it's the piece we
just looked at. So, but the other thing

2225
02:59:42,960 --> 02:59:49,600
that this does is that allows us to go
to plan really for both, right? It

2226
02:59:47,359 --> 02:59:54,240
allows you to plan for a new city hall
and it allows you to plan for a

2227
02:59:51,359 --> 02:59:58,960
renovation in phases for this current
city hall to a police station facility.

2228
02:59:57,120 --> 03:00:04,000
Um the other thing that we talked about
which could happen right now is we have

2229
03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:09,120
this empty space upstairs. It's been
empty for quite a while now and uh as we

2230
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:12,479
talked through that uh the chief felt
like there was some functions that they

2231
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:17,359
could move over there right away that
would help alleviate some of the

2232
03:00:14,399 --> 03:00:21,120
pressure that they feel. Um and and we
he can talk more about that if he wants

2233
03:00:18,960 --> 03:00:26,640
to, but that would be something we could
probably do right away.

2234
03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:30,800
um as you build out this new police
facility, if you go with this option in

2235
03:00:29,040 --> 03:00:35,680
the old city hall or the current city
hall, you know, you have to really look

2236
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:42,479
at it as a phased approach, which is not
a bad thing because as you think about

2237
03:00:39,279 --> 03:00:48,080
uh continuing to collect impact fees for
police, those impact fees could build up

2238
03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:52,479
over time and then every few years you
could look at a different project and

2239
03:00:49,760 --> 03:00:56,800
bring in phases of redeveloping this
building and expanding this building.

2240
03:00:55,040 --> 03:01:01,200
The other thing that's a positive this
building is um one of the

2241
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:05,520
recommendations and this is getting a
little deeper than I probably want to

2242
03:01:02,720 --> 03:01:10,319
but one of the things we talked about is
the possibility of this this wing over

2243
03:01:08,160 --> 03:01:16,880
here could potentially continue to be
used for governmental services that are

2244
03:01:13,359 --> 03:01:21,120
not police and then maybe transition in
three to five years to being police if

2245
03:01:19,760 --> 03:01:28,000
that makes sense. So you can kind of
phase into it as monies become

2246
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:32,240
available. Um okay, did you you did flip
it to the next one. Okay, perfect.

2247
03:01:29,359 --> 03:01:37,920
Thanks. Um the one thing that a lot of
people don't know is square footage. So

2248
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:44,000
this this this building all in is like
28,500

2249
03:01:40,160 --> 03:01:50,560
which is is um larger than what we would
have built on Pioneer Road for both the

2250
03:01:47,760 --> 03:01:56,240
the the offices and the training
facility by like 4,000 something ft. And

2251
03:01:54,479 --> 03:02:01,200
so it's actually a pretty big building
that they could grow into. Now obviously

2252
03:01:59,279 --> 03:02:06,319
it's less acreage and so that's one of
the things that that would be a little

2253
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:12,000
more challenging. Um
so if this was to happen this third

2254
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:17,760
option obviously once all this happened
we could sell off well we could sell the

2255
03:02:14,800 --> 03:02:22,160
land on Pioneer anytime that you guys
decide to. Now keep in mind that the the

2256
03:02:20,319 --> 03:02:26,080
person that sold that to us has first
right to purchase that back. if he

2257
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:30,160
doesn't want to purchase it back, then
we can put it out on the open market and

2258
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:35,439
sell it. The other thing is is you could
sell off the current police station on

2259
03:02:32,640 --> 03:02:40,399
Main Street once all the transition has
occurred and also put that into the

2260
03:02:37,279 --> 03:02:46,960
funding. Um,
you know, with this as a city or police

2261
03:02:43,920 --> 03:02:52,240
facility, one big thing is is that you'd
have to make some parking improvements.

2262
03:02:49,760 --> 03:02:57,680
uh because one of the one of the key
things is um we're trying to create a

2263
03:02:55,439 --> 03:03:01,760
secure entry and parking area for the
police. And so you you want to kind of

2264
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:09,200
think think about that. So there may be
some some cost to potentially expand

2265
03:03:04,880 --> 03:03:13,200
this parking and and create that. Um the
other thing that was attractive to the

2266
03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:17,520
committee was that we knew that a lease
appropriation purchase option was

2267
03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:24,000
available if we were to build a new city
hall. Um, and the other thing that's

2268
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:28,319
attractive too is you can also consider
alternative financing such as a public

2269
03:03:26,319 --> 03:03:34,720
private partnership. I'm not as
comfortable with those because the um I

2270
03:03:32,319 --> 03:03:39,439
mean they're an option, but the the
lease appropriation is a proven model. I

2271
03:03:37,120 --> 03:03:43,920
mean, that's actually how the they built
the Idaho Falls Police Station. It's how

2272
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:49,040
they built the Chubik City Hall and
police station. So, it's a very proven

2273
03:03:46,080 --> 03:03:54,399
model. cities can use it without a a
vote. Um, and then you can borrow money.

2274
03:03:53,279 --> 03:04:00,800
Typically, you're going to borrow
between 20 to 30 years.

2275
03:03:57,040 --> 03:04:05,200
Um, so roll this down. I think actually
roll it up for a second. I think one

2276
03:04:03,279 --> 03:04:12,240
thing that I didn't mention and keep
rolling up right there. So if you were

2277
03:04:09,439 --> 03:04:17,040
to renovate the current police or sorry
city hall into a police station

2278
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:22,240
facility, these were kind of the three,
hey, we got to do these in phase one.

2279
03:04:19,040 --> 03:04:27,120
Address these issues is secure entry in
the front. Adequate evidence space and

2280
03:04:25,520 --> 03:04:32,000
secure parking lot. Those were kind of
the got to do those right from the

2281
03:04:30,319 --> 03:04:36,720
get-go, if you will. So that'd be kind
of wouldn't you agree those are kind of

2282
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:41,200
your your big need. and a lot of the the
office space internally

2283
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:47,520
when we look at meeting the needs of
those interview rooms uh secure having

2284
03:04:44,160 --> 03:04:52,399
multiple areas the the current setup of
the building could be used and without a

2285
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:55,359
lot of renovation
obviously we have to do some security a

2286
03:04:54,960 --> 03:04:57,680
lot of the
>> Chief would you move over the microphone

2287
03:04:57,040 --> 03:05:01,680
yeah thank you
>> a lot of the buildings already set up

2288
03:04:59,359 --> 03:05:07,279
with the security cameras that we we
would continually just use u But

2289
03:05:04,720 --> 03:05:11,040
specific offices for interview rooms
would have to

2290
03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:14,880
really we just have to put cameras and
mics for those interview rooms. But

2291
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:19,760
current space that's already here could
be utilized for those those interview

2292
03:05:17,600 --> 03:05:24,000
rooms that would solve that that
problem.

2293
03:05:22,399 --> 03:05:32,880
» Uh yeah, we had a question right here.
Council member Higgins,

2294
03:05:27,120 --> 03:05:39,920
» do uh in in thinking about this uh
would we need to to to build a a uh new

2295
03:05:36,880 --> 03:05:43,279
city hall? Um we don't need we don't
need a vote of the from the public on

2296
03:05:42,720 --> 03:05:46,000
that.
>> Not if we use this option that Matt's

2297
03:05:45,040 --> 03:05:48,479
talking about.
>> Okay.

2298
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:53,920
because we can do a lease appropriation
which we we'll explain where that

2299
03:05:52,399 --> 03:05:58,399
funding will come from so that you
understand that better but uh we don't

2300
03:05:56,399 --> 03:06:01,520
it doesn't come from property taxes
which is what you know people were

2301
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:03,680
really opposed to on the
>> general obligation. Did you have a

2302
03:06:03,200 --> 03:06:05,600
question?
>> I do

2303
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:08,720
» or a comment. Yes.
>> Are you going to explain to us why we

2304
03:06:07,200 --> 03:06:11,040
can't use the lease appropriation to
build a new police station?

2305
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:14,319
» Yeah.
>> I'm still not understand.

2306
03:06:12,160 --> 03:06:19,120
» We can we can use it. We just can't
afford it. That's where I said that the

2307
03:06:16,000 --> 03:06:22,319
payment came out to close to822,000.
>> So, but you're going to show us why it's

2308
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:26,080
a cheaper payment to build up the deal.
>> Yeah, I will.

2309
03:06:23,520 --> 03:06:30,319
» Yeah. Um, so just so you guys know, I'll
just let me just cover a it's called a

2310
03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:33,760
certificate of participation if you want
to get formal, but it the lease

2311
03:06:32,160 --> 03:06:40,960
appropriation. And essentially what it
is is the the local government owns the

2312
03:06:36,880 --> 03:06:47,760
land and then what happens is is the the
improvement is developed and essentially

2313
03:06:45,359 --> 03:06:52,479
I'll just give it the basic term. It's
basically owned by somebody else that

2314
03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:57,520
building for the term of that. But what
happens is every year you have to

2315
03:06:54,560 --> 03:07:03,040
appropriate in your budget process to
pay that lease. And when you appropriate

2316
03:07:00,479 --> 03:07:07,680
that, then you pay it to that that
person that built that building. And

2317
03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:12,319
then the term is is at the end of that
term, you own that building.

2318
03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:17,439
» So the local entity owns it. So it's a
basically a lease to own. Now, now if

2319
03:07:14,880 --> 03:07:21,520
you guys, you know, say we got down the
road 10 years and somebody says, "Hey,

2320
03:07:20,160 --> 03:07:26,160
we're going to give you a new city hall,
you know, like the ice rink." And we

2321
03:07:23,200 --> 03:07:30,640
move in there. We can actually move in
there. you can say, "Okay, we're no

2322
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:36,080
longer going to appropriate this in our
budget." And then whoever built that

2323
03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:41,840
building has the ability to essentially
rent it out through the rest of that

2324
03:07:38,640 --> 03:07:46,000
lease term and then we still own it at
the end of that term. But what's

2325
03:07:43,279 --> 03:07:50,880
attractive to people that develop those
and fund those is there's very little

2326
03:07:49,120 --> 03:07:55,359
chance that we're not going to
appropriate that each year, right? I

2327
03:07:53,439 --> 03:07:58,479
mean it's there's very little chance
somebody's going to come to us and say

2328
03:07:56,800 --> 03:08:03,760
hey we have a better option for you and
it's free and so so anyways just keep

2329
03:08:01,600 --> 03:08:09,040
that in mind. So let me let me go
through this. This was a huge question

2330
03:08:05,840 --> 03:08:13,840
that kind of we discussed as a committee
is we said well why is the new city hall

2331
03:08:11,840 --> 03:08:16,560
building being considered you know
because we need a police station

2332
03:08:15,040 --> 03:08:20,640
facility.
So, we looked at it and we said, "Well,

2333
03:08:18,240 --> 03:08:25,680
this is the possible best option to the
taxpayer because we can use that

2334
03:08:23,600 --> 03:08:30,800
alternative funding like a lease
appropriation and it likely does not

2335
03:08:28,479 --> 03:08:37,200
require a general obligation bond which
increases the taxes of the of our

2336
03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:41,920
residents. Um, the other reason why we
liked it that I kind of already

2337
03:08:38,800 --> 03:08:47,520
mentioned is it's a smaller footprint
where you would build the new city hall

2338
03:08:44,399 --> 03:08:52,399
and it would be in the formbbased code.
It doesn't take other buildings off the

2339
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:57,840
tax role. It's located near other public
services as I mentioned. So, the

2340
03:08:54,240 --> 03:09:03,520
library, the tabernacle, etc. And if the
county was ever to build their building

2341
03:09:00,800 --> 03:09:07,760
there, it would be located there, which
if they choose not to, the city has

2342
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:13,760
first right to buy that property back as
well. And so, um, the other thing is is

2343
03:09:11,040 --> 03:09:18,160
it's close to those that public parking.
Another major factor is as we went

2344
03:09:16,399 --> 03:09:24,000
through our analysis, the cost per
square foot of construction for a

2345
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:28,160
three-story office building um should be
substantially less than what we were

2346
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:34,640
quoted to build a new police station
facility. And we're talking at least a

2347
03:09:31,439 --> 03:09:40,240
probably about a third less.
And so so that's a very substantial

2348
03:09:37,359 --> 03:09:43,520
factor as well. And then of course this
offers the most funding sources which

2349
03:09:42,160 --> 03:09:48,960
we're going to hit I think on the next
slide for the down payment and the

2350
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:55,520
annual payments. So let me just show you
that. Hopefully it's big enough.

2351
03:09:52,560 --> 03:10:01,120
So So going across the top there you can
see column one's a description. Column

2352
03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:07,279
two is option one. Column three is
option two. And then option three. And

2353
03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:10,479
and I was going to mention um if anybody
wants to pull these up, they're they're

2354
03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:16,240
online as well. The whole slide
presentation's online. You can pull it

2355
03:10:12,000 --> 03:10:21,040
up. So um so as you look at the funding
sources here for all three of these

2356
03:10:18,560 --> 03:10:24,720
options, general obligation bond is
totally on the table for all three of

2357
03:10:23,040 --> 03:10:29,920
these options. You could go do a general
obligation bond for a city hall. I don't

2358
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:35,359
think anybody would pass that. I
wouldn't recommend it. Um and then the

2359
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:41,359
the other thing that we can use of
course is the general fund and we can

2360
03:10:37,840 --> 03:10:46,399
use any savings that we've set aside. So
you guys know we have a fund where we've

2361
03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:50,479
been setting aside dollars for a
municipal building.

2362
03:10:48,399 --> 03:10:55,359
So those are all on the table for all
three options. Impact fees could really

2363
03:10:52,800 --> 03:11:02,160
be used for all three of these options.
And then um grants CDBGs

2364
03:10:58,960 --> 03:11:07,120
um anytime you're doing public buildings
or parking, CDBGs are are pretty

2365
03:11:05,439 --> 03:11:12,319
attractive. Like that's what we had for
like the HVAC at the tabernacle. We used

2366
03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:19,359
a CDBG for this parking lot, that
parking lot. We've used them a lot. Um

2367
03:11:16,319 --> 03:11:24,319
and so those those could potentially be
um awarded. You know, you could also

2368
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:27,920
look at contributions. Like we've had
people approach the police and say, "Oh,

2369
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:32,640
I donate money to help you build a
police station." And we might be like,

2370
03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:36,960
"Well, this is your opportunity." Um,
and then the revolving loan fund. So,

2371
03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:42,560
let me talk through that. So, as I went
back and I looked at the history of how

2372
03:11:40,640 --> 03:11:46,399
municipal buildings have been built in
the past. So, I looked at this very

2373
03:11:44,640 --> 03:11:52,479
building. So, this building, I think we
moved in in 2009 if I remember right.

2374
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:55,680
And so, you know, we've been in this
building, I can't believe it, but we've

2375
03:11:53,840 --> 03:12:00,880
been in this building 17 years. It's
crazy to me. Um, and we, you know, even

2376
03:11:59,040 --> 03:12:06,080
if we went with this option, we would be
in this building for at least 20 years

2377
03:12:02,640 --> 03:12:11,120
or close to it. But with the revolving
loan fund, what that is is, um, there is

2378
03:12:09,040 --> 03:12:16,399
a portion of that that was it was a
grant. Um, and so what happens over time

2379
03:12:14,080 --> 03:12:21,120
is we invest that revolving loan fund.
So, we invest it in two ways. If it's

2380
03:12:18,160 --> 03:12:26,319
cash, we put it into an investment and
we make a return on it or we lend it out

2381
03:12:24,479 --> 03:12:31,520
to a business, right? And then a
business pays us actually a higher

2382
03:12:29,120 --> 03:12:36,880
interest rate than when we invest. And
so, you know, every couple decades,

2383
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:42,640
we're able to build that fund up quite a
bit. And so, as I looked at that in

2384
03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:47,600
2009, that was actually a pretty big
funding source for this building. And

2385
03:12:45,439 --> 03:12:51,359
when we built this building, when they
looked at all of these funding sources

2386
03:12:49,359 --> 03:12:56,080
that I'm going to show you, they were
all a part of that plan. The only

2387
03:12:53,439 --> 03:13:04,479
difference is they did not borrow money.
They paid it all with uh down payment.

2388
03:13:00,000 --> 03:13:09,840
And and so so the RLF um I believe there
would be approximately 400,000 available

2389
03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:15,200
that you could put into a down payment
from that. That could work for any of

2390
03:13:12,399 --> 03:13:20,800
these. So then we get into the what I
call the we're going to we're going to

2391
03:13:17,520 --> 03:13:25,840
say the departments that pay an overhead
rate. Um so as you look at those you

2392
03:13:24,399 --> 03:13:31,040
have building safety you have
engineering shop streets sanitation

2393
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:36,560
water wastewater
um treatment and collections GIS airport

2394
03:13:33,760 --> 03:13:42,880
and golf. So, as as as we go out every
year, as you think about those core

2395
03:13:39,279 --> 03:13:47,680
services that are being provided,
um you know, we don't we don't just have

2396
03:13:45,600 --> 03:13:52,319
an accounting department to have an
accounting department. We don't have a a

2397
03:13:50,479 --> 03:13:58,239
legal team to just have a legal team.
We're there to service these these

2398
03:13:55,680 --> 03:14:02,000
departments, divisions that are out
there. I must have wrote it somewhere

2399
03:13:59,680 --> 03:14:07,600
else. But as you think about who that
is, um Oh, thank you. She said it right

2400
03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:12,960
there. So, as you think about those
expenses that we're able to bill out as

2401
03:14:09,760 --> 03:14:18,560
an overhead, some of that is executive,
that's city council expenses. Some of

2402
03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:24,880
that is human resources, information
technology,

2403
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:30,160
customer service, finance, legal, etc.
And every year um we bill out for those

2404
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:34,000
services
that we're providing to those

2405
03:14:31,680 --> 03:14:40,239
departments. Now, we don't go out and
bill it to the police department or the

2406
03:14:36,880 --> 03:14:45,359
recreation or the parks because we're
we're all operating in the same fund.

2407
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:50,479
We're all being they're being subsidized
by the general fund. So, sure, I could

2408
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:54,080
go bill it. Um, but it would just show
up as an expense and you'd basically be

2409
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:59,680
billing yourself and taking it out of
one pocket and putting in the other

2410
03:14:55,520 --> 03:15:04,319
pocket. Um, so as you think about these
overheads, there's there's these

2411
03:15:01,760 --> 03:15:11,200
departments. We could go out to, for
example, um, building safety.

2412
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:16,880
We could go out to sanitation and we
could say, "Hey, this is the cost to

2413
03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:22,479
build a new city hall and your share of
a down payment is this amount."

2414
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:28,560
And then we would have to come up with
what we have to borrow and then whatever

2415
03:15:25,040 --> 03:15:34,640
we borrow that annual payment, they
would pay that through their overhead

2416
03:15:30,399 --> 03:15:40,800
rate each year. So, for example, as I
went through um I worked with Mike

2417
03:15:38,239 --> 03:15:46,479
who was our municipal adviser at Zans
and I came up with the scenario. So, for

2418
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:52,800
example, let's say that we built a new
city hall and it cost $11 million. If we

2419
03:15:50,720 --> 03:15:56,720
came up with a down payment of $6
million

2420
03:15:54,319 --> 03:16:05,760
and we had to borrow $5 million, I had
him run it through today's rates and to

2421
03:16:01,600 --> 03:16:12,479
to do an appropriation lease, annual
appropriation lease at 20 years, it's

2422
03:16:08,640 --> 03:16:21,200
about 4.13% interest. Comes out to about
$380,000 a year. Well, of that $380,000,

2423
03:16:17,760 --> 03:16:28,880
I can charge about 69%
of that that annual amount to these

2424
03:16:24,880 --> 03:16:34,800
various departments. And so 31% of it is
being covered by the general fund. So in

2425
03:16:31,120 --> 03:16:41,359
that scenario, that's about $118,000 a
year. Well, we can come up with $118,000

2426
03:16:38,479 --> 03:16:43,520
a year, not 800,000 a year.
>> Yes.

2427
03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:47,760
» Question, Council President Ericson, and
then

2428
03:16:45,040 --> 03:16:50,399
I understand that, but where does where
does the department get the money to pay

2429
03:16:49,600 --> 03:16:54,720
it?
>> So, you would have to you'd have to go

2430
03:16:52,319 --> 03:17:00,399
in and you'd have to see if they have
enough money in reserves to do that or

2431
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:05,520
as you plan over the next two three
years that becomes a a budgeting part of

2432
03:17:02,960 --> 03:17:10,640
your budgeting process. Um,
>> we can only raise the the tax base a

2433
03:17:08,800 --> 03:17:13,840
certain percentage every year. I mean,
>> would it be from fees? It's not like I

2434
03:17:12,239 --> 03:17:19,200
mean the money doesn't grow on trees.
It's got to come from somewhere.

2435
03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:22,479
» Yeah. Yeah. And to be specific, I would
go look at building safety and I would

2436
03:17:20,800 --> 03:17:28,640
say we're going to pull this out of your
reserve. I would go look at

2437
03:17:24,080 --> 03:17:33,920
» So they've got to do more with less.
>> Yeah. Or but I mean the thing you got to

2438
03:17:31,200 --> 03:17:38,800
remember is they have a reserve to pay
these overhead costs as well. And so

2439
03:17:37,359 --> 03:17:43,439
» do they have a reserve to pay an
additional amount? Yeah.

2440
03:17:41,680 --> 03:17:45,680
» Yeah. And that that would be the process
we go through into their budget for each

2441
03:17:45,279 --> 03:17:49,200
year,
>> right? But then but then that budget

2442
03:17:47,439 --> 03:17:53,279
comes to us and there's only so much
budget

2443
03:17:50,399 --> 03:17:56,239
» available to these are mostly coming
from fees, not taxes.

2444
03:17:55,520 --> 03:18:00,640
» Raise the fees
>> and and some of them some of them are a

2445
03:17:58,399 --> 03:18:05,040
difficult decision, right? Streets, for
example. Like you guys may look at it, I

2446
03:18:03,600 --> 03:18:11,040
may come back to you when we go through
these scenarios and I may be like, "Hey,

2447
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:16,239
you've got to have um streets, just as
an example, come up with $600,000 for

2448
03:18:14,239 --> 03:18:22,080
this down payment."
It's it becomes a budgeting question at

2449
03:18:18,640 --> 03:18:26,479
that point. Like, is that something that
you feel like is of value to the

2450
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:31,600
community to budget that out of their
reserves? And so I mean it all becomes

2451
03:18:29,600 --> 03:18:37,520
part of the budget process, right?
Council member Johnson has a question.

2452
03:18:33,600 --> 03:18:40,880
» Um, so I mean to me the council could
accomplish the same thing, not with

2453
03:18:39,439 --> 03:18:44,720
every one of these because I understand
like wastewater has its rules and

2454
03:18:42,479 --> 03:18:49,040
things. The council could say we're
going to shrink all of these budgets and

2455
03:18:47,359 --> 03:18:52,640
we're going to increase what we give to
the police and we could accomplish the

2456
03:18:50,800 --> 03:18:55,680
very same thing with some of it.
>> You're wrong. H

2457
03:18:53,760 --> 03:18:58,479
» how could we not? because you're you're
saying you're going to charge them an

2458
03:18:56,960 --> 03:19:01,200
additional amount of money and we just
got through saying we don't have any

2459
03:18:59,760 --> 03:19:02,640
more money for streets, but now you're
saying you're going to charge them more

2460
03:19:02,239 --> 03:19:08,239
overhead.
>> You can you cannot charge people that

2461
03:19:05,680 --> 03:19:11,600
are getting water or sanitation or
wastewater services to subsidize the

2462
03:19:11,279 --> 03:19:14,399
cost.
>> That's what I just said. Some of them

2463
03:19:12,880 --> 03:19:18,479
you can't, but some of them you could.
We could say we're going to shrink the

2464
03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:22,800
streets budget and we're going to
increase the police's budget. We have

2465
03:19:20,560 --> 03:19:27,439
the ability to do that. So I I'm just
saying that that what you're saying I

2466
03:19:25,279 --> 03:19:30,640
agree with it, but part of it we could
accomplish the same thing. If the

2467
03:19:29,040 --> 03:19:35,680
council said we want a new police
station, we could lower some of those

2468
03:19:33,600 --> 03:19:38,080
budgets. We have that ability and we
could increase the police's budget. And

2469
03:19:37,040 --> 03:19:41,840
that's something that you haven't said
yet. And it is something that we could

2470
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:43,760
do. And I just wanted to point that out.
>> And you could.

2471
03:19:42,880 --> 03:19:48,160
» Yeah.
>> I will stand here and tell you

2472
03:19:45,600 --> 03:19:51,359
financially, politically, good luck.
>> Well, politically, good luck for

2473
03:19:49,520 --> 03:19:56,800
building a new city hall, too. Sorry.
The problem that you have is you would

2474
03:19:54,000 --> 03:20:03,120
be looking at basically taking it from
these these general fund departments and

2475
03:20:00,479 --> 03:20:06,479
you better be prepared to cut out a lot
of department services to be able to

2476
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:11,120
come up with the cost. And I'm just
telling you from a financial standpoint.

2477
03:20:09,520 --> 03:20:16,720
» You just said that we have to you just
said that we have to reduce um their

2478
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:19,040
budgets to pay that overhead.
>> Well, they have to build it into their

2479
03:20:18,239 --> 03:20:21,359
budget.
>> That's the same thing. That's the same

2480
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:22,479
thing.
>> Not really.

2481
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:24,319
» Yeah, it is.
>> Yeah, they got to take

2482
03:20:23,279 --> 03:20:26,319
» That's the same thing. They're not
getting somewhere else

2483
03:20:25,760 --> 03:20:28,640
» somewhere.
>> Yeah. So, they got to produce some some

2484
03:20:28,160 --> 03:20:32,720
services.
>> They have to figure

2485
03:20:31,600 --> 03:20:36,800
into their fees. So, they'd probably
have to bump the fees out, but

2486
03:20:34,319 --> 03:20:40,160
» I I mean I I'm open like if you can come
and present that to the city council and

2487
03:20:38,720 --> 03:20:44,479
how it's going to work financially.
Let's look at it.

2488
03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:48,560
» Yeah. I don't know how you work, but
>> what you're saying I agree with. Just

2489
03:20:47,120 --> 03:20:53,120
there's those things that you're not
pointing out.

2490
03:20:50,640 --> 03:20:56,720
Well, it's because they don't really
work. And did you have a comment,

2491
03:20:54,720 --> 03:20:58,960
council member Action?
>> Are you going to keep going through the

2492
03:20:57,920 --> 03:21:01,279
presentation? I can't.
>> I do have some comments, but I'm going

2493
03:21:00,239 --> 03:21:02,640
to wait till you finish
>> till the end before I

2494
03:21:02,239 --> 03:21:08,000
» Okay.
>> Yeah, sure.

2495
03:21:04,160 --> 03:21:12,200
» So, as you look at Let me roll that.
>> Can you make that smaller, Deb?

2496
03:21:13,040 --> 03:21:22,160
So, and I and I will say like
there's a lot of political decisions

2497
03:21:20,080 --> 03:21:27,359
that are part of this process, right?
And there's a lot of financial decisions

2498
03:21:24,640 --> 03:21:31,920
because if we go through this process
and the city council's like, "No, we

2499
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:36,080
need to have more square footage for
this department, this department, this

2500
03:21:33,520 --> 03:21:40,800
department. No, we don't like that grade
of construction. We want the highest

2501
03:21:37,840 --> 03:21:45,120
grade." This option could potentially
also be too expensive. I'm not saying

2502
03:21:42,960 --> 03:21:50,479
that it will for sure work. We have to
go through a process to determine that,

2503
03:21:47,600 --> 03:21:55,680
but I think it's worth looking at
because I think it is a real option that

2504
03:21:53,439 --> 03:22:02,000
does not require potentially a general
obligation bond. Um, so here's the

2505
03:21:58,479 --> 03:22:07,840
initial construction cost analysis. So
obviously these are estimates um and it

2506
03:22:05,040 --> 03:22:13,520
would require further analysis. Option
one is probably the closest thing

2507
03:22:11,600 --> 03:22:17,680
out of all of these options to be quite
honest because we have already went

2508
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:24,080
through a planning process for that. And
so option one would be something like

2509
03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:28,720
16.5 to 18 million. Option two, we
believe as we looked at the two sites

2510
03:22:26,239 --> 03:22:32,720
and went through the analysis, we
believe that would be probably your

2511
03:22:30,399 --> 03:22:39,040
second most expensive option, probably
in that 14 to 16 million range. Option

2512
03:22:36,319 --> 03:22:47,760
three, we believed would be between 13
and 14 a.5 million. Um, and as I said,

2513
03:22:44,399 --> 03:22:53,200
that could change based on opinions,
people's opinions on how much square

2514
03:22:50,239 --> 03:22:56,960
footage each department should have, um,
where the funding should come from, how

2515
03:22:55,200 --> 03:23:02,000
much down payment we can come up with.
We'd have to go figure all that out. So,

2516
03:22:59,920 --> 03:23:07,760
here's the internal committee
recommendation.

2517
03:23:03,840 --> 03:23:12,319
Um, so we we're saying uh pursue option
three to build a new city hall office

2518
03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:18,000
building on First North. I'll correct
that. Um, west of the library and then

2519
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:25,439
renovate this current city hall into a
police station facility. So if you guys

2520
03:23:22,080 --> 03:23:30,319
as a city council are in agreement,
um, you know, next steps would be to we

2521
03:23:28,239 --> 03:23:35,040
would recommend that you form two
committees. uh one to look at a new city

2522
03:23:32,960 --> 03:23:39,520
hall, one to look at the renovation of
this building that's the current city

2523
03:23:36,720 --> 03:23:44,640
hall to a police station facility. And
then we would enter into a planning

2524
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:50,720
phase that would then determine that
square footage need um the potential

2525
03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:57,600
amounts for funding sources from down
payment to annual overhead pay uh

2526
03:23:55,200 --> 03:24:02,560
amounts for those borrowings, what you
borrow. And then we would look at

2527
03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:08,239
options for financing. And so we as we
mentioned lease appropriation option is

2528
03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:12,720
a proven model that we know of. Um we
have had consultants say that other in

2529
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:17,760
other states they're seeing alternative
financing such as a public private

2530
03:24:15,279 --> 03:24:24,000
partnership. We're just don't have a lot
of examples of that in Idaho. And so I

2531
03:24:22,319 --> 03:24:29,120
think I think that's the last slide,
right?

2532
03:24:25,760 --> 03:24:32,560
So so that's it. Obviously, I'm sure
there's questions, more questions, but

2533
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:35,840
» that's what we
>> council member. Yes. Council member

2534
03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:39,359
racer and then council member Erikson.
you know, as the member of the city

2535
03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:44,479
council that was on the on the committee
and going to all the meetings and stuff,

2536
03:24:41,680 --> 03:24:49,359
um I still firmly believe that the best,
let me rephrase, well, my preferred

2537
03:24:46,880 --> 03:24:55,920
option would be to build a new police
station, but we've tried twice and

2538
03:24:53,680 --> 03:24:58,800
that's the process of a supermajority in
the state of Idaho and that's the

2539
03:24:57,120 --> 03:25:06,319
process of a democracy. the citizens
have said no and I don't think it will

2540
03:25:01,359 --> 03:25:10,000
be advantageous or it would be likely to
pass if we were to try it a third time.

2541
03:25:07,840 --> 03:25:14,239
So that kind of sent us, you know,
again, just to give you my perspective,

2542
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:20,239
it kind of set us on uh okay, well now
what can we do? And the most likely

2543
03:25:17,520 --> 03:25:24,960
option was to find a city building that
could house the police station. And as

2544
03:25:23,279 --> 03:25:30,239
far as I know, this is the only building
that the city owns that could

2545
03:25:26,720 --> 03:25:36,160
realistically house the police. And so,
unfortunately though, obviously, it's

2546
03:25:33,040 --> 03:25:40,160
going to look from the outside like we
just want to build a new city hall. We

2547
03:25:38,399 --> 03:25:44,560
don't want to build a new city hall. I
don't want to build a new city hall.

2548
03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:50,160
Problem is that the that all of the city
employees are going to be homeless if we

2549
03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:53,840
turn this into a police station. and
it's the only building that we've got

2550
03:25:51,680 --> 03:25:59,760
that we feasibly can turn into a police
station. So, if we do that to get an

2551
03:25:57,040 --> 03:26:04,239
adequate police station to fill the
needs of our police force now and into

2552
03:26:02,160 --> 03:26:08,080
the future, we got to figure out
something else to do with city hall. And

2553
03:26:06,479 --> 03:26:13,600
I don't know of any building that the
city already owns that can be a suitable

2554
03:26:10,399 --> 03:26:17,279
city hall once we move the police in
here. And that means then that we got to

2555
03:26:16,160 --> 03:26:20,399
kind of sort of figure out what we're
going to do with city hall. And the best

2556
03:26:19,120 --> 03:26:23,600
thing that we could come up with the
committee was, well, we're going to have

2557
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:28,319
to build one, but at least we've got
some land that we can do it on. It's

2558
03:26:26,319 --> 03:26:33,680
never been on the tax role, so it's not
going to affect the tax uh um rates that

2559
03:26:31,279 --> 03:26:37,600
are brought in by the city.
And so, and so we've we've looked at

2560
03:26:35,920 --> 03:26:42,720
that. And then of course with these
alternative uh uh funding things where

2561
03:26:40,560 --> 03:26:47,279
we can do the lease to own and we can
use some of the reserve funds from all

2562
03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:52,319
these different departments with their
uh uh charging them overhead. Maybe we

2563
03:26:50,720 --> 03:26:56,000
can get then we should be able to get
enough for that down payment and then be

2564
03:26:54,080 --> 03:27:00,239
able to make the rest of it with our
general fund.

2565
03:26:58,239 --> 03:27:05,520
I don't see another way of doing it. Is
it my favorite way? Is it my most

2566
03:27:01,920 --> 03:27:10,800
preferred way? No. because I was all for
going for a general obligation bond to

2567
03:27:08,160 --> 03:27:16,479
build a new police station to get our
police force what they needed. It didn't

2568
03:27:13,760 --> 03:27:22,319
work and this is the only backup plan
that I can see that is feasible and so

2569
03:27:20,560 --> 03:27:28,880
it I I I don't think it's the best
option but it's the I I believe it's the

2570
03:27:25,279 --> 03:27:34,800
best option that we have left for us. So
that's why I uh was uh uh uh glad to be

2571
03:27:32,560 --> 03:27:38,479
on the committee and that these are all
the things that we looked at and and

2572
03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:41,680
that's my recommendation at this point.
But if but if somebody else can find a

2573
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:45,920
better place to put the police
department, I'm in. If somebody else can

2574
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:50,960
find a better place to put city council,
if we do decide to put the police

2575
03:27:48,000 --> 03:27:56,640
station here, let's look at it. But from
my perspective, this is what we've got

2576
03:27:53,600 --> 03:28:01,760
at this moment to look at. And that's
why the committee has recommended uh

2577
03:27:59,840 --> 03:28:04,560
this to go forward. But I agree there's
going to be some political challenges.

2578
03:28:03,279 --> 03:28:10,080
There's going to be some perception
challenges. Oh, they just want a new

2579
03:28:06,399 --> 03:28:14,399
city. I want a
functional,

2580
03:28:11,600 --> 03:28:18,880
proper place for our police. Everything
else is dominoes.

2581
03:28:17,200 --> 03:28:20,720
But I don't know how we can combat that.
Look.

2582
03:28:19,359 --> 03:28:23,040
» All right. Thank you, Council Member
Ericson.

2583
03:28:22,784 --> 03:28:28,479
[clears throat]
>> Okay. First of all, hopefully I can get

2584
03:28:25,200 --> 03:28:34,160
out what I want to say and what I have
um in my mind and my heart here. Um as

2585
03:28:32,319 --> 03:28:38,399
I've sat through all this trying to get
the bond and going through this and I

2586
03:28:36,479 --> 03:28:42,080
see it as an action item tonight, I
don't think we're even close to getting

2587
03:28:39,680 --> 03:28:46,880
an action item to come up with what we
presented right here. First of all, we

2588
03:28:45,439 --> 03:28:51,680
was told that we need three to five
acres for a police department flat out

2589
03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:57,520
right now with our size of the city. As
we look to this and and as of 35 years

2590
03:28:55,760 --> 03:29:02,960
of being here in this city, 30 years
being law enforcement,

2591
03:28:59,760 --> 03:29:08,080
we've pieced and patched
buildings for our police department. And

2592
03:29:05,520 --> 03:29:14,399
that's that's wrong to me. I mean, a lot
of the walls and stuff over there and I

2593
03:29:10,479 --> 03:29:19,120
helped put in and and and I would wish
the public seen this because I think

2594
03:29:16,960 --> 03:29:22,239
their mind frame be totally opposite of
saying and go maybe we need to look at

2595
03:29:20,800 --> 03:29:25,760
this a little bit different. Maybe
there's other things we need to really

2596
03:29:23,600 --> 03:29:31,680
look for a police department.
You know, chief said it himself.

2597
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:35,120
Yeah, we can make this work. So, are we
settling for a second or third or fourth

2598
03:29:33,120 --> 03:29:38,640
down here for a police department just
to make an office building? I don't

2599
03:29:37,279 --> 03:29:42,640
think we should do that. We need to make
a police department for a police

2600
03:29:40,479 --> 03:29:46,399
department. This building is never going
to be a police department. It's going to

2601
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:50,160
be a remodeled office commercial
building slapped together. And you're

2602
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:53,760
not going to be able to put all these
windows, all these walls in there to

2603
03:29:51,520 --> 03:29:57,520
make them safe in any way or any shape
form unless you put millions and

2604
03:29:55,120 --> 03:30:00,560
millions of dollars in this. Overall,
like I say, this building is not a

2605
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:08,160
police department. It's a remodel. It's
a patch job to make it work. And I feel

2606
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:12,880
very strongly that we need to look at
other options. Maybe get this out to the

2607
03:30:10,080 --> 03:30:18,000
public. Say we're in a corner here. Our
police department needs another

2608
03:30:14,239 --> 03:30:22,319
building. They're functioning so crammed
in there in a building that's not

2609
03:30:20,080 --> 03:30:27,520
working for them. And then you look at
the square footage. 28,000 ft of office

2610
03:30:24,479 --> 03:30:32,720
building is 28,500 ft of police
department. It's not even the same as

2611
03:30:30,319 --> 03:30:35,760
you look at as you go through this. the
cost of remodel. And I think we need to

2612
03:30:34,239 --> 03:30:38,399
really look at what's it going to do to
cost to remodel this as a police

2613
03:30:37,439 --> 03:30:41,920
department. If we're going to look at
that direction for the next 20 to 30

2614
03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:46,560
years, what's it really going to cost to
remodel this police department as a

2615
03:30:44,160 --> 03:30:50,960
police department? Making it secure in
every way, shape, or form as a police

2616
03:30:48,479 --> 03:30:55,200
department. It's going to be many
millions.

2617
03:30:52,720 --> 03:30:59,040
And then I don't mind going back and
looking at what Idol Falls did. Maybe we

2618
03:30:57,279 --> 03:31:02,160
need to readress that where we can come
up with different things. I just think

2619
03:31:00,960 --> 03:31:07,439
there's other ways we need to look at
right now before we make this step to

2620
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:11,439
jump up for new city hall.
>> Just a few thoughts.

2621
03:31:09,600 --> 03:31:16,080
» Member Johnson.
>> Does anyone else want to speak?

2622
03:31:13,520 --> 03:31:17,840
» Yeah, I'll take Go ahead.
>> She can go first.

2623
03:31:16,880 --> 03:31:23,279
» Council member T.
>> So just for my clarification, this

2624
03:31:20,160 --> 03:31:28,319
option three is what we're ask what is
exactly what we're voting. What's the

2625
03:31:24,800 --> 03:31:32,479
action item tonight? Is it to start
planning to come up with a plan that

2626
03:31:30,399 --> 03:31:36,640
will then be presented to city council?
Like what what are we vote are be voting

2627
03:31:35,040 --> 03:31:39,840
on for sure tonight? Like what is the
action?

2628
03:31:37,200 --> 03:31:43,680
» Basically this so we would we would
enter a planning phase to determine

2629
03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:48,880
square footage needs, potential amounts
for funding sources for down payment,

2630
03:31:45,600 --> 03:31:54,160
annual payments. And then we would also
have these two committees.

2631
03:31:52,319 --> 03:31:58,000
Um, so one for the police station
facility, they'd be looking at how much

2632
03:31:56,720 --> 03:32:02,239
is it going to cost to do these
renovations to make this work in the

2633
03:32:00,319 --> 03:32:06,080
beginning and then maybe look at a
phased approach as those impact fees

2634
03:32:04,080 --> 03:32:08,720
continue to come in to what we could do
down the road

2635
03:32:06,960 --> 03:32:13,439
» and then that would be presented to city
council to go forward for another vote.

2636
03:32:11,359 --> 03:32:17,439
So this is not saying that this is what
we're actually going to do. This is just

2637
03:32:15,359 --> 03:32:20,880
we're going to pursue the idea of
planning this

2638
03:32:18,479 --> 03:32:25,520
» planning planning this option and if if
if if through those plans

2639
03:32:23,359 --> 03:32:29,359
» it doesn't doesn't pan out or doesn't
work it doesn't look like it's going to

2640
03:32:27,040 --> 03:32:32,560
be good then then yeah we're not going
to go forward

2641
03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:41,279
» I just that council member Council
President Ericson

2642
03:32:34,800 --> 03:32:45,920
» okay um well I I I agree with Council
Member Ericson

2643
03:32:43,840 --> 03:32:49,920
in that
we've

2644
03:32:48,062 --> 03:32:55,680
[clears throat] we we are trying to kind
of peacemeal things. But but I I've got

2645
03:32:53,279 --> 03:33:02,239
to I've got to trust in the committee
and Chief Roads in his recommendation

2646
03:32:58,880 --> 03:33:07,120
that this this building could be
renovated into a functional police

2647
03:33:04,800 --> 03:33:11,359
department. I I I got to trust that
they've that they've looked at it and

2648
03:33:09,040 --> 03:33:19,120
they've they've they've decided that's
the case. I really doubt the financing

2649
03:33:16,479 --> 03:33:24,399
option. I mean, this lease appropriation
thing, all it all it does is it it moves

2650
03:33:23,120 --> 03:33:28,560
the burden onto the different
departments which then are going to have

2651
03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:38,239
to find some way to either reduce
services or rate raise fees. So, one way

2652
03:33:33,520 --> 03:33:42,880
or the other, the citizen the citizenry
uh takes it takes it in the you know,

2653
03:33:41,120 --> 03:33:46,640
» there's no other way. Yeah, I know.
That's what I'm saying. But

2654
03:33:45,200 --> 03:33:53,200
» it's a better option.
>> It's a It's a better option, but I I

2655
03:33:48,399 --> 03:34:00,640
just don't I just don't know how we can
um we can rob from Peter to pay Paul.

2656
03:33:55,760 --> 03:34:05,920
That's my That's my concern. Um,
and I'm just going to throw this out

2657
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:10,960
there, and I know it's not popular, but
I've I had two or three people in the

2658
03:34:07,600 --> 03:34:18,960
very in the first initial uh round of
the bond ask me why we don't try and do

2659
03:34:15,920 --> 03:34:22,800
something cooperatively with the county.
I know that the county is looking at

2660
03:34:20,800 --> 03:34:27,600
expanding their sheriff's department.
They bought property behind the

2661
03:34:24,560 --> 03:34:33,439
courthouse to to look into that. So
they're they're going through the same

2662
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:39,760
things we are. Have has that even been
considered at all having some sort of a

2663
03:34:36,479 --> 03:34:44,000
joint uh law enforcement facility?
>> Yes, we've we've considered it. We've

2664
03:34:41,359 --> 03:34:49,359
looked at it. We've we've met with other
uh jurisdictions that have gone through

2665
03:34:46,080 --> 03:34:54,239
that process. And one of the issues
always comes back to

2666
03:34:51,920 --> 03:35:00,000
a sheriff is an elected position. It's
every four years. in other entities when

2667
03:34:57,040 --> 03:35:05,200
the continual growth it becomes a battle
between who's growing on which which

2668
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:12,080
side. Um one of the one of the big
factors that I look at in this building

2669
03:35:09,120 --> 03:35:17,680
um as we listen to the public
the other the property that we looked at

2670
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:23,359
that we have purchased it is
outside of town and it's another one of

2671
03:35:19,359 --> 03:35:26,399
those we could make it work. We we can
function. We're we're going to do our

2672
03:35:24,960 --> 03:35:32,319
jobs. we're going to respond from
wherever we're at. Um, the one thing I

2673
03:35:29,040 --> 03:35:38,160
do like about this location above any
other location, even even the school

2674
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:41,520
district property, it does take us a
little farther away. Right here, we're

2675
03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:46,160
across the parking lot from the
prosecutor's office that we're going

2676
03:35:43,200 --> 03:35:51,600
back and forth frequently. We're across
the street from dispatch where we go and

2677
03:35:48,080 --> 03:35:56,160
and they sign and they they do a lot of
paperwork for us when we're doing

2678
03:35:53,279 --> 03:36:00,800
warrants and paperwork. They're across
the street from us for the jail. So, if

2679
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:05,279
we have an interview and we are
we arrest somebody here, uh we bring

2680
03:36:03,359 --> 03:36:09,840
them in for interview and we have enough
to arrest them. It's across the parking

2681
03:36:07,520 --> 03:36:14,720
lot. Um,
so we have the prosecutor's dispatch and

2682
03:36:12,319 --> 03:36:22,640
the sheriff's office right across the
parking lot. Um, having city hall at the

2683
03:36:18,640 --> 03:36:26,720
school district property. It is also we
do a lot of daily paperwork exchange

2684
03:36:24,720 --> 03:36:32,560
with city hall that it's it's a block
away. It's within walking distance if we

2685
03:36:29,120 --> 03:36:38,800
needed to. Um, location
for me is there's there's no doubt this

2686
03:36:35,760 --> 03:36:42,720
is the best location. totality of the
total city budget. That's what we looked

2687
03:36:40,479 --> 03:36:48,880
at as well. What would cost the
taxpayers the lowest amount overall?

2688
03:36:47,279 --> 03:36:54,319
Th those are the things that we consider
too. Of course, I would love I would

2689
03:36:50,960 --> 03:36:59,279
love a police station with every new
bell and whistle that we could. Idle

2690
03:36:56,560 --> 03:37:03,520
Falls facility is amazing. Um but even
in their facility on the back side of

2691
03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:07,840
the building, the sides of the building,
they they had to cut costs too. So, they

2692
03:37:06,080 --> 03:37:13,340
don't have bulletproof
glass on the back sides. I'm not trying

2693
03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:18,479
to put that out there for anybody. Um,
[laughter] but but when we've met with

2694
03:37:15,279 --> 03:37:23,600
our consult with the consultants, um,
there's different safety measures that

2695
03:37:20,560 --> 03:37:28,080
we could do to fortify this location
just with

2696
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:33,040
raised flower pots and ballasts up front
for no, you know, nobody could drive

2697
03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:40,000
through. It is a a solid structure. I
know it's not perfect. Um, my biggest

2698
03:37:36,080 --> 03:37:44,399
concern is as if we continually I think
someone mentioned in a previous meeting

2699
03:37:41,680 --> 03:37:49,200
just kicking the can down the road, we
will continually get into a bigger

2700
03:37:46,640 --> 03:37:54,640
bigger pinch and the cost is going to
continually increase. We as a police

2701
03:37:52,160 --> 03:38:00,960
department want to be fiscally
responsible for the citizens and make

2702
03:37:57,040 --> 03:38:05,920
sure we're doing the best we can uh with
the resources we have. and we we are

2703
03:38:03,040 --> 03:38:12,479
doing the best we can. Um and we'll
continue to do the best we can. This

2704
03:38:08,640 --> 03:38:19,359
building, it is not perfect. Um
but I I look at well as we've looked at

2705
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:23,680
the planning, one of our our goals is to
do more community outreach, more

2706
03:38:21,439 --> 03:38:29,920
community education. This room right
here is that room. Um also could be used

2707
03:38:26,560 --> 03:38:34,880
as a training room. um most of the
office space could be utilized and we

2708
03:38:33,439 --> 03:38:40,479
talked about this the difference between
safety

2709
03:38:37,439 --> 03:38:44,960
this building would be safer immediately
than the building we're currently in and

2710
03:38:42,319 --> 03:38:51,920
so I'm not I'm know there's apples to
oranges and um but as far as the the

2711
03:38:49,279 --> 03:38:55,760
growth we still have different areas
that we could grow into this building.

2712
03:38:54,160 --> 03:39:02,399
Those are the things that we looked at
as we tried to consider the totality of

2713
03:38:59,279 --> 03:39:07,600
the total cost of square footage for
city hall compared to what it would cost

2714
03:39:04,880 --> 03:39:11,840
to build what Idol Falls has with all
the bulletproof glass and and sure some

2715
03:39:10,080 --> 03:39:18,080
of it will have to be part of that
building process as we built an entryway

2716
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:21,600
that would protect the employees,
a gated [clears throat] area for

2717
03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:26,640
vehicles and and parking that's a secure
parking location. And then the biggest

2718
03:39:23,680 --> 03:39:31,920
thing uh was we met with consultants
there. There are a lot of entities or

2719
03:39:29,359 --> 03:39:36,720
agencies throughout the the state that
have renovated um core construction is

2720
03:39:35,359 --> 03:39:42,399
one of the consultants that we've worked
with. They built for with Bule out of an

2721
03:39:39,680 --> 03:39:49,200
old grocery store. Pocutello Police is
out of an old uh they share a building

2722
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:54,000
with their city hall. Um so I of course
I want a new building. I would love a

2723
03:39:50,800 --> 03:40:00,080
new building. Um, the reason we focused
on option three was totality of cost for

2724
03:39:57,920 --> 03:40:05,600
the city, what it would cost the
taxpayers and the functionality of what

2725
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:10,160
we could immediately move into. Most of
the office space here could immediately

2726
03:40:07,520 --> 03:40:14,000
be used without any renovation. There
would obviously be some for interview

2727
03:40:11,840 --> 03:40:18,560
rooms that would have to be renovated.
Um, but th those are the options. I

2728
03:40:16,560 --> 03:40:24,479
don't think we do have a perfect option.
But when you talk about location

2729
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:28,479
downtown, I don't think they I don't
think we have any other options. We I

2730
03:40:27,040 --> 03:40:32,399
mean in the beginning process, we were
looking at property north of town on

2731
03:40:30,399 --> 03:40:36,880
Second East,
which there could be some availability,

2732
03:40:34,640 --> 03:40:42,080
but it takes us farther away from the
university where highest threats are for

2733
03:40:40,399 --> 03:40:46,160
the some of the schools and some of the
areas that we want to have a quicker

2734
03:40:43,520 --> 03:40:53,200
response. We did a response analysis
from Pioneer Road and and there's a give

2735
03:40:49,120 --> 03:40:58,008
and take um at all of those. And so I do
like our response time from downtown

2736
03:40:55,359 --> 03:41:02,239
area to be able to get to most
[clears throat] of the elementary

2737
03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:05,279
schools, the university. Uh still we're
a distance away from the high school,

2738
03:41:03,600 --> 03:41:10,000
but we do have school resource officers
there. Um and our our goal is to always

2739
03:41:07,920 --> 03:41:17,520
have our officers out and about anyway.
But um that's those are kind of my core

2740
03:41:15,520 --> 03:41:20,720
factors that we took into consideration
when we were looking at the different

2741
03:41:18,720 --> 03:41:24,800
options.
>> And just last thing, yes,

2742
03:41:23,040 --> 03:41:28,160
» I agree. Also, I I don't think we're
ready to make a decision tonight. I

2743
03:41:27,040 --> 03:41:34,239
think this has got to be something we
got to talk we got to at least I've got

2744
03:41:31,200 --> 03:41:40,239
to mow over as to and I got to
understand this lease appropriations

2745
03:41:36,479 --> 03:41:43,600
thing better. Uh because I I I just
don't know how that works. So anyway,

2746
03:41:42,640 --> 03:41:46,479
that's my that's my
>> Well, that's that's definitely an

2747
03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:52,319
option. Yes, Council Member Johnson.
>> Um I am really happy that I think every

2748
03:41:49,680 --> 03:41:55,760
person here wants to have a nice police
station and um maybe we [clears throat]

2749
03:41:54,479 --> 03:41:58,479
might disagree about how to accomplish
that, but I think that's a really good

2750
03:41:56,960 --> 03:42:04,399
thing to know is that we all support the
police. Um, but I just I guess I have

2751
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:07,279
concerns because throughout the process,
like the last two years we've been

2752
03:42:05,680 --> 03:42:11,840
talking about this, I mean, there were
things that were brought up. Um, and I

2753
03:42:09,279 --> 03:42:15,840
know like Chief Road said, this is a
safer option, but there are still I

2754
03:42:14,080 --> 03:42:21,439
think it would cost so much money to to
renovate it. And um, I'm sorry, I don't

2755
03:42:19,359 --> 03:42:25,279
care how you slice it. If you charge
overhead to departments, you are

2756
03:42:23,840 --> 03:42:29,279
essentially shrinking their budget.
There isn't more money to put in there.

2757
03:42:26,720 --> 03:42:34,239
So, it's just another way to say it. Um,
and so I would like to see, you had all

2758
03:42:32,239 --> 03:42:39,840
the revenue streams that were available
for those different options. I'd like to

2759
03:42:36,239 --> 03:42:44,160
see a new police facility. Um, just how
much it would cost after you added all

2760
03:42:41,520 --> 03:42:47,439
those other revenue options. Um, and see
how much we'd need that you were going

2761
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:51,600
to take from the overhead. I'd be very
interested to see how much we're talking

2762
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:55,520
about there for the lease appropriation
for a new police station. That's just I

2763
03:42:53,920 --> 03:42:58,319
just would like to see that. for new
building on the property that we bought.

2764
03:42:57,520 --> 03:43:01,760
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

2765
03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:05,680
» Right. Council member Ericson.
>> So hopefully I can just say the rest of

2766
03:43:04,319 --> 03:43:09,200
First of all, I I appreciate what the
chief's doing. I appreciate what this

2767
03:43:07,279 --> 03:43:13,520
committee has done. They have worked
very hard and I don't want to undermine

2768
03:43:10,960 --> 03:43:17,680
that one bit. But I think there's so
many unanswered questions. That's what

2769
03:43:15,120 --> 03:43:21,199
I'm trying to say. I mean, we we need to
get that consultant in here that came

2770
03:43:19,279 --> 03:43:24,479
down with the headarters and talked to
us and say, "Look at this building. Walk

2771
03:43:23,199 --> 03:43:28,640
through it. you tell me what it's going
to really evaluate costwise to make this

2772
03:43:26,960 --> 03:43:33,680
a police department. We need to have
those figures and is it going to be way

2773
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:38,000
higher than we really guess? In my
thinking, it probably will be. Uh, you

2774
03:43:36,560 --> 03:43:42,000
know, as you look at square footage, the
school district's looking at about $450

2775
03:43:40,000 --> 03:43:45,840
to $480 a square foot to build a new
district office building. We was looking

2776
03:43:44,080 --> 03:43:49,199
at 600 and something to build a police
department. Police departments are going

2777
03:43:47,680 --> 03:43:55,199
to cost more money. Plain and simple.
They will cost more money to build. Um,

2778
03:43:52,160 --> 03:43:59,680
but like bottom line is I I just feel
very strongly that it's time in our city

2779
03:43:57,600 --> 03:44:04,960
to build a police department from ground
up working here 30 years and all the

2780
03:44:03,199 --> 03:44:09,040
stuff we did at the police department to
make it functional

2781
03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:12,800
to provide the service we did for our
citizens because we cared for this

2782
03:44:11,199 --> 03:44:18,160
community. And that's bottom line we did
and they'll continue to do that because

2783
03:44:15,120 --> 03:44:22,800
they care for the community. But
shouldn't we give them what they need to

2784
03:44:20,239 --> 03:44:28,000
to do their job if we can in a way?
That's what I'm trying to say.

2785
03:44:24,640 --> 03:44:33,040
» Yeah. Don't seem to teach you.
>> Um

2786
03:44:30,319 --> 03:44:37,920
I just I just want to point out again
that this is just to pursue planning.

2787
03:44:36,000 --> 03:44:41,680
This is not saying this is what we are
going to do. This is just to give them

2788
03:44:39,760 --> 03:44:46,319
authorization to make that plan to
answer your questions to say this is

2789
03:44:44,319 --> 03:44:50,160
what the overhead would look like. This
is what the all the renovations would

2790
03:44:48,479 --> 03:44:55,199
cost. And they could include I'm
guessing Matt that we could include to

2791
03:44:52,479 --> 03:44:58,720
have include sister um councilwoman
Johnson's

2792
03:44:56,720 --> 03:45:03,840
um option. Sorry, I'm like getting
tired. My tongue is all tied. Um option

2793
03:45:01,439 --> 03:45:07,840
of of looking at that, right? Can like
when we do a presentation, could we

2794
03:45:06,080 --> 03:45:13,359
include that?
>> Can I Yes. Go ahead, Chief. So, so

2795
03:45:11,120 --> 03:45:18,720
during this process the the last meeting
that we met as a council or as a

2796
03:45:15,199 --> 03:45:23,199
committee um that consultant was core
construction and they they've gone

2797
03:45:20,399 --> 03:45:28,960
through all the initial phase with us.
They are one that they've been the

2798
03:45:26,720 --> 03:45:33,920
liaison with other construction
companies as they've done other

2799
03:45:30,399 --> 03:45:38,319
remodels. So, they they have been here
and and they were in support of this

2800
03:45:35,920 --> 03:45:43,199
plan to make it feasible as a police
station. We didn't dive into all the

2801
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:49,199
details. They did offer in this this
planning process to do all of that

2802
03:45:45,920 --> 03:45:53,359
upfront analysis and planning for free
that doesn't cost the city anything to

2803
03:45:51,600 --> 03:45:58,319
present.
I I don't know how in depth they go, but

2804
03:45:56,000 --> 03:46:02,800
we we would have to find out from them
more detail, but they have worked

2805
03:46:00,479 --> 03:46:08,399
through this process in the beginning
phases that they would do some of that

2806
03:46:05,359 --> 03:46:13,840
analysis and planning for us at at no
cost and no risk to the city. Um,

2807
03:46:11,359 --> 03:46:21,520
another thing that we didn't mention and
and it again it's not the the solve all

2808
03:46:18,319 --> 03:46:28,479
um but the impact fees
there may be some areas in here that we

2809
03:46:24,239 --> 03:46:34,800
initially may not need need right now
that that I'm okay if we as a as a

2810
03:46:32,319 --> 03:46:39,760
committee as a as a city we would like
to see a sally port off the side of the

2811
03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:45,439
building a secure area that we can pull
then that we can use those um those

2812
03:46:42,720 --> 03:46:49,120
impact fees two years down the road,
five years down the road. That those are

2813
03:46:47,040 --> 03:46:53,760
monies that aren't coming out of any of
these other uh departments in the city,

2814
03:46:52,080 --> 03:46:59,120
but those are impact fees that are set
aside specifically that we have been

2815
03:46:56,880 --> 03:47:02,720
able to use or allocate towards the
improvement of the building.

2816
03:47:01,199 --> 03:47:06,560
» Yes, Council Member Reer,
>> you know, I I think uh and I I

2817
03:47:04,800 --> 03:47:09,680
appreciate all the concerns Whoops, I
probably got to be on here. Yeah. Um, I

2818
03:47:08,319 --> 03:47:14,160
appreciate all the concerns of the other
members of the of the council, but I

2819
03:47:11,600 --> 03:47:18,640
think this this uh recommendation here
that's on the slide actually does

2820
03:47:16,319 --> 03:47:22,239
address that. Uh, for Councilman
Ericson, Eric Ericson here, he needs a

2821
03:47:20,640 --> 03:47:27,760
little more time to mull it out. Well,
this isn't locking us into anything, but

2822
03:47:24,560 --> 03:47:32,479
what it's doing is these two committees
would actually bring back more

2823
03:47:29,920 --> 03:47:36,880
information about funding, what it's
really going to cost, and how much

2824
03:47:34,960 --> 03:47:42,000
square footage is going to be needed
back to this council before we ever make

2825
03:47:39,439 --> 03:47:49,199
a binding decision to actually move
forward and start renovating anything.

2826
03:47:45,520 --> 03:47:54,479
and and uh same thing with uh uh council
uh member uh Johnson who's again needs

2827
03:47:52,640 --> 03:47:58,319
to see those numbers. That's what one of
these committees would do. If the city

2828
03:47:56,479 --> 03:48:01,680
council agrees to move forward, staff
would need to enter a planning phase to

2829
03:48:00,160 --> 03:48:06,160
determine square footage needs and
potential amounts for funding sources

2830
03:48:03,920 --> 03:48:09,680
for down payment and annual payment. So,
I think that's what that committee would

2831
03:48:07,520 --> 03:48:13,920
do is they would have to go to work,
roll up their sleeves, and really get

2832
03:48:11,439 --> 03:48:18,800
into the funding and give us some pretty
hard numbers that we can then look at as

2833
03:48:16,160 --> 03:48:25,199
a council to decide whether or not we
want to continue to move forward down

2834
03:48:21,359 --> 03:48:29,040
this road or if we realize, you know, we
didn't consider everything that needed

2835
03:48:26,720 --> 03:48:35,600
to be considered here. This really isn't
a good option. I don't think this locks

2836
03:48:31,279 --> 03:48:40,960
us into anything uh anything that we're
not ready to go to yet. I really think

2837
03:48:38,319 --> 03:48:48,720
that if we do agree to this, even if we
agreed to this action uh item now, all

2838
03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:55,120
it does is it frees us or or directs us,
I should say, to gather more information

2839
03:48:52,319 --> 03:49:00,319
both financially and otherwise so that
we can come back and get a better

2840
03:48:57,680 --> 03:49:05,359
picture of whether or not this is the
best plan that we can come up with right

2841
03:49:02,080 --> 03:49:09,600
now. So you you know anyway I I kind of
think that that that going ahead with

2842
03:49:07,520 --> 03:49:12,800
this might actually help us make a
decision.

2843
03:49:10,960 --> 03:49:15,920
» Yes, Council Member Ericen and then
Council Member Johnson.

2844
03:49:14,399 --> 03:49:21,279
» And I have no problem with that. I like
that idea, but I think I just don't want

2845
03:49:18,080 --> 03:49:26,720
to just channel us down a path. There's
there's way too many questions out there

2846
03:49:23,120 --> 03:49:29,680
for me right now on do we look at a what
we looking at city hall? The same thing

2847
03:49:28,239 --> 03:49:33,120
with the police department. Do we look
at is there other things we can look at?

2848
03:49:31,600 --> 03:49:36,720
And I think there is I think there's a
lot more things we can maybe look at if

2849
03:49:34,960 --> 03:49:41,359
that will do it. I don't have a problem
with that. But I don't want this to

2850
03:49:37,920 --> 03:49:47,199
channel us down a road that is really
going to dead end us down to a place

2851
03:49:43,680 --> 03:49:50,640
where we really don't want to be.
>> Those are good concern. Yeah. Council

2852
03:49:48,479 --> 03:49:53,840
member Johnson and then council member.
>> Yeah. I just I wanted clarification on

2853
03:49:52,399 --> 03:50:00,239
that because I thought our action item
was to um go down the road of option

2854
03:49:57,920 --> 03:50:05,279
three and my like what I wanted to see
is not option three. It's not even on

2855
03:50:02,640 --> 03:50:08,880
the options. So I don't want it limited
to only option three. So if you're

2856
03:50:06,960 --> 03:50:12,560
telling me that you'll look at these
other ideas and help us see how much

2857
03:50:10,880 --> 03:50:16,800
after we bring in those revenue streams
it would cost to build the new police

2858
03:50:14,640 --> 03:50:20,720
station, I'm I'm all for that. But if
you're telling me that that action item

2859
03:50:18,239 --> 03:50:25,199
is only to pursue option three, then I'm
not in favor of that.

2860
03:50:22,800 --> 03:50:29,760
» Okay. So, Higgins. Oh, sorry.
>> Sorry. I was just gonna answer that. So,

2861
03:50:27,439 --> 03:50:33,120
as we look at the funding sources for
the down payment and the ongoing

2862
03:50:32,080 --> 03:50:38,399
payments,
>> I have no problem saying these are the

2863
03:50:35,920 --> 03:50:41,600
funding sources that we're recommending.
Here's option one. Here's option two.

2864
03:50:40,000 --> 03:50:45,920
Here's option three. So, you could see
that. That's not a problem. And then we

2865
03:50:43,840 --> 03:50:50,080
can back into those annual amounts
through a lease appropriation.

2866
03:50:48,560 --> 03:50:53,040
» And that was not mine wasn't an option
though. So what do you do about that?

2867
03:50:51,279 --> 03:50:54,720
You're going to add it. You're saying
because it wasn't one of option one,

2868
03:50:54,239 --> 03:50:56,720
two,
>> I thought your option was to build a new

2869
03:50:56,080 --> 03:50:58,000
one.
>> Yeah.

2870
03:50:57,359 --> 03:51:01,439
» That option,
>> but not with the general obligations.

2871
03:50:59,520 --> 03:51:04,800
» Yeah. And so we can we can just what I'm
saying, right, is I'm saying we can go

2872
03:51:03,120 --> 03:51:07,920
through the same funding option for
option three

2873
03:51:06,080 --> 03:51:12,560
» and then we'll put it align it for the
three options.

2874
03:51:09,680 --> 03:51:17,120
» Okay. Council member Riggins.
Um, I've just been sitting here just and

2875
03:51:15,120 --> 03:51:22,800
all I can think about is my civics class
in 8th grade and that was a long time

2876
03:51:19,600 --> 03:51:27,279
ago, right? A long time ago. But I went
in and I asked AI just a few minutes ago

2877
03:51:25,120 --> 03:51:31,120
and said, "What's what's uh what are the
principal responsibilities of city

2878
03:51:29,120 --> 03:51:35,520
government?
Maintain public safety number one."

2879
03:51:33,840 --> 03:51:40,960
Right?
We may have to get rid of the pretty

2880
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:46,479
stuff. But the reality is we have to
decide if if if we don't like this

2881
03:51:43,840 --> 03:51:51,279
option, we got to look at it and say,
"Let's pay for one. 16 million bucks.

2882
03:51:48,880 --> 03:51:54,960
Let's take it out. Let's take it out of
parks. Let's take it out of this. Let's

2883
03:51:52,960 --> 03:51:59,199
take it out of that. Let's get rid of
the pretty stuff and do what we're

2884
03:51:56,479 --> 03:52:02,720
supposed to do, which is maintain public
safety."

2885
03:52:01,279 --> 03:52:06,960
That's the that's that's the other
option we have. I mean, if we're going

2886
03:52:04,720 --> 03:52:11,279
to let's let's just let's sit down and
take a look at it. Let's have let's have

2887
03:52:08,960 --> 03:52:15,840
Matt take a look and say this is where
money can come and we it's going to cost

2888
03:52:13,199 --> 03:52:21,600
$16 million to build that new facility
because our number one responsibility is

2889
03:52:18,640 --> 03:52:28,080
to maintain public safety and our
officers need a new place. The the

2890
03:52:24,880 --> 03:52:32,640
people told us they want a new police
station. They don't want to pay for it.

2891
03:52:30,239 --> 03:52:36,800
So, what they're saying is you figure
out how to pay for it out of the tax

2892
03:52:34,319 --> 03:52:40,560
money that we're already giving you.
Let's show them. That's what I say.

2893
03:52:39,520 --> 03:52:42,960
Let's let's show them.
>> That's what these three options. Let's

2894
03:52:42,000 --> 03:52:47,040
get rid of the pretty stuff.
>> Trying to figure that out. I will point

2895
03:52:44,640 --> 03:52:51,760
out one thing and I and I I understand
everything you guys are saying and all

2896
03:52:49,120 --> 03:52:56,800
of you are saying. Um, but I will point
out that and I know it's a little

2897
03:52:53,520 --> 03:53:02,399
different, but this building was a J C
Penney store. And you know when you say

2898
03:52:59,520 --> 03:53:06,319
it's a patch job, I have people come in
and I'll say and go, "This is a

2899
03:53:03,920 --> 03:53:10,560
beautiful city hall. I mean, it's turned
into a great building and it's

2900
03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:14,479
functioned very well." And I have no
doubt that we can remodel it and yeah,

2901
03:53:13,040 --> 03:53:18,960
is it going to cost a couple million?
Probably. So, but we can use those

2902
03:53:16,960 --> 03:53:25,279
couple million to make it safe, to make
it secure. It's in a perfect location.

2903
03:53:22,720 --> 03:53:30,319
I mean, to me,
it can be a beautiful police station for

2904
03:53:28,000 --> 03:53:35,520
the next 30 or 40 years, and it'll be
the best economic option we've got. It

2905
03:53:33,439 --> 03:53:40,080
really is. So, I mean, I guess you know
where I stand, but uh I I just think if

2906
03:53:38,239 --> 03:53:44,160
we vote no on this, we're just pushing
the thing down the road and and it just

2907
03:53:42,080 --> 03:53:47,600
puts our police in a worse situation
because then we're not going to be able

2908
03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:52,160
to move forward with anything. So, I
don't have any problem evaluating the

2909
03:53:49,520 --> 03:53:56,880
other options like you're saying, but uh
I think we've already evaluated it

2910
03:53:54,080 --> 03:54:00,880
pretty heavily and uh I really think we
need to do something to move forward to

2911
03:53:58,960 --> 03:54:05,760
get going on getting a new police
station. I mean, a new remodeled police

2912
03:54:03,680 --> 03:54:09,439
station for the police because I think
this can be turned into a very nice

2913
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:14,560
police station and we can make it very
secure and it can it can have the

2914
03:54:11,840 --> 03:54:19,680
functions that we need right here. Um,
so anyway, that's that's the my thought

2915
03:54:16,960 --> 03:54:25,120
and I that's that's why I would
recommend that we move forward with this

2916
03:54:22,080 --> 03:54:30,239
option, but maybe if you want to add the
words to this this option of, you know,

2917
03:54:28,319 --> 03:54:35,120
looking at what it would cost to do
these to do the financial things for the

2918
03:54:32,960 --> 03:54:39,600
other ways, I'm good with that. I think
that's great. But but I think we've got

2919
03:54:37,120 --> 03:54:45,840
to move forward and and get going or
else we're just going to be pushing the

2920
03:54:41,040 --> 03:54:51,439
can down the road even further. So um so
if there's any I mean if you want any

2921
03:54:48,239 --> 03:54:56,880
any other discussion that's fine but uh
at this point I would I would entertain

2922
03:54:53,680 --> 03:54:59,760
a motion to uh consider this and you can
word it however you want if there's

2923
03:54:58,399 --> 03:55:04,720
somebody who wants to make a motion to
word it a little differently than than

2924
03:55:01,520 --> 03:55:08,720
just what we got here. But uh I'm I'm
open to a motion at this point in time.

2925
03:55:06,479 --> 03:55:12,960
I think we're I think we've visited
about it enough.

2926
03:55:10,800 --> 03:55:19,359
I' I'd like to make a motion on this
that that we that we pursue the study of

2927
03:55:17,520 --> 03:55:23,199
option three, right? I think this is
what I think that that's our concern is

2928
03:55:21,359 --> 03:55:29,279
we're is we're not committing to
anything, but that we pursue

2929
03:55:25,920 --> 03:55:34,160
what is being asked here, right? That to
let's take a look at let's see what it

2930
03:55:31,920 --> 03:55:39,840
would cost. Let's see what the the the
the financing sources are. Let's let's

2931
03:55:37,760 --> 03:55:42,319
take a look at let's let's get a report
back

2932
03:55:41,600 --> 03:55:46,640
and uh
>> we need to find out more like Cohen says

2933
03:55:44,479 --> 03:55:53,199
what is it really going to cost to
>> to remodel this into a secure successful

2934
03:55:50,720 --> 03:55:58,720
» I mean just as it's it's it's laid out
let's we're not committing to anything

2935
03:55:55,600 --> 03:56:01,600
so we're asking bring back information
so that we can make an intelligent

2936
03:56:00,720 --> 03:56:06,399
decision.
>> Yeah I think that's reasonable. Yes.

2937
03:56:04,319 --> 03:56:11,359
Just to clean that up, could the motion
state that we or I can even say I move

2938
03:56:09,840 --> 03:56:14,319
that we enter the planning phase to
determine square footage needs and

2939
03:56:12,960 --> 03:56:20,600
potential amounts for funding sources
for downtown for um for a potential new

2940
03:56:17,279 --> 03:56:20,600
police station.

2941
03:56:20,960 --> 03:56:25,439
» Is that was that a motion that he made
or was that

2942
03:56:24,160 --> 03:56:30,960
» was yours a motion?
>> I was motion

2943
03:56:28,399 --> 03:56:34,880
you second that motion. I'm just not
clear what the his what exactly what

2944
03:56:33,439 --> 03:56:37,279
happened to it. What did you say?
>> Like I just read that sentence.

2945
03:56:36,479 --> 03:56:40,960
» Yeah, that's fine.
>> Okay. Okay.

2946
03:56:38,399 --> 03:56:45,120
» Just to make it easier. [laughter]
>> Okay. So, is that good?

2947
03:56:43,920 --> 03:56:47,439
» I don't I don't know what I don't know
what the motion was. I'm

2948
03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:50,960
» So, okay. You want to restate your
motion?

2949
03:56:48,080 --> 03:56:55,040
» I move that we enter the planning phase
to determine the square footage needs

2950
03:56:53,520 --> 03:57:00,319
and potential amounts for funding
sources for the police um for the police

2951
03:56:58,239 --> 03:57:05,120
station. looking at all options
presented.

2952
03:57:02,239 --> 03:57:07,760
» Okay. Is that is that clear?
>> So, we're looking at all the options and

2953
03:57:06,800 --> 03:57:09,680
not only option three.
>> I think that's what Matt said he would

2954
03:57:09,120 --> 03:57:14,720
do.
>> Well, what the way I would do it, let me

2955
03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:19,040
clarify.
>> So, so what we would do, right, we would

2956
03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:23,439
go into a planning phase to determine
square footage of a new city hall. We

2957
03:57:22,080 --> 03:57:28,239
would go into a planning phase to
determine costs to renovate this

2958
03:57:25,199 --> 03:57:32,560
building into a police station. Right?
But then what Brianna wants is she wants

2959
03:57:30,640 --> 03:57:37,520
me to go through as we identify those
funding sources for both down payment

2960
03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:43,840
and ongoing payments. If there's a loan,
she wants me to look back at all three

2961
03:57:40,160 --> 03:57:47,920
options and take out the option of a
general obligation bond. We won't

2962
03:57:45,279 --> 03:57:52,960
consider that. We'll just look at those
funding sources and say yes, you can do

2963
03:57:50,160 --> 03:57:56,479
it on this option. No, you can't on this
option. No, you can't on this option.

2964
03:57:54,399 --> 03:58:03,920
Does that make sense? And then I can
with that I can back into okay how much

2965
03:58:00,399 --> 03:58:07,279
are we needing to borrow and um we can
kind of show you the cash reserves we

2966
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:11,760
have how much we think we can come up
with and then we can come up with an

2967
03:58:09,439 --> 03:58:14,319
annual amount that it would cost for
that lease appropriation.

2968
03:58:13,920 --> 03:58:18,479
» All right.
>> And there's a lot of moving pieces to

2969
03:58:17,279 --> 03:58:22,239
understand that that's going to take
some time. And uh and actually I will

2970
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:26,640
remind the council too that we're not
talking that you know we're going to

2971
03:58:24,560 --> 03:58:30,000
commit to something in particular
tomorrow. This is going to be still a

2972
03:58:28,239 --> 03:58:33,040
fairly long process that we're going to
be going through to do a lot of

2973
03:58:31,199 --> 03:58:37,840
evaluation. Council member Erikson.
>> Yes. As long as it that lease option is

2974
03:58:36,000 --> 03:58:40,640
also with the police department too.
>> Yeah.

2975
03:58:38,319 --> 03:58:44,800
» So it's the same same figures of the
city hall police department all that

2976
03:58:42,720 --> 03:58:45,760
involved. I know it's a lot. I mean
>> Yeah.

2977
03:58:45,520 --> 03:58:49,920
» Okay.
>> Yeah. And that and that's fine. And and

2978
03:58:47,760 --> 03:58:55,040
I I think in some ways, right, as you
think about the police bonds that we

2979
03:58:51,680 --> 03:59:00,160
already tried to pass, um we came up
with a pretty substantial down payment

2980
03:58:57,439 --> 03:59:05,439
on those options. And so, so we can do
the same thing here. Um I think there's

2981
03:59:03,279 --> 03:59:09,600
some additional ones as we look at all
of our options like the RLF that I

2982
03:59:07,760 --> 03:59:14,319
brought up where we could show that on
all three options. And so I think what

2983
03:59:12,239 --> 03:59:19,199
we would do, I mean to be honest, the
committee for a new city hall, I think

2984
03:59:16,160 --> 03:59:23,359
you would have to essentially start with
here's the departments that would be in

2985
03:59:21,439 --> 03:59:28,399
that new city hall. Here's their square
footage need. Here's how much space we

2986
03:59:25,600 --> 03:59:34,880
would need for public spaces like this
or an entryway, bathrooms, etc. And then

2987
03:59:33,199 --> 03:59:39,120
some of one of the components to this
that we haven't even talked about

2988
03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:45,439
tonight is as you look at this, one of
the critical things is that we're going

2989
03:59:41,439 --> 03:59:49,120
to do an analysis of does recreation,
for example, need to be in the new city

2990
03:59:47,279 --> 03:59:52,319
hall? Does cultural arts need to be in
the new city hall? We're going to look

2991
03:59:50,720 --> 03:59:56,479
at all of our spaces. We're going to
look at the new ice rink and say, is

2992
03:59:54,720 --> 04:00:01,359
there a better role that that can play
for recreation? Can cultural arts just

2993
03:59:59,520 --> 04:00:07,040
go back into the tabernacle? Those are
all questions that we have to go through

2994
04:00:03,520 --> 04:00:11,600
a process to answer and this analysis
can help us do that.

2995
04:00:09,359 --> 04:00:15,359
» Okay. Does that make sense?
>> So, so are we committing to Oh, excuse

2996
04:00:14,479 --> 04:00:16,800
me.
>> I'm sorry.

2997
04:00:15,920 --> 04:00:21,120
» Yes.
>> Are we committing then? I mean, it

2998
04:00:19,279 --> 04:00:25,120
sounds like there's going to need to be
some consultants. I mean, we're we're

2999
04:00:23,279 --> 04:00:27,199
going to go to get to get to where we
need to be. That's going to cost us some

3000
04:00:26,720 --> 04:00:33,760
money.
>> Yeah. and and if there are consultants

3001
04:00:30,399 --> 04:00:39,520
um we we put some money in for hired
work into that reserve fund for a

3002
04:00:36,479 --> 04:00:43,840
municipal building and we can come back
to you guys and and we can let you know

3003
04:00:41,600 --> 04:00:47,199
hey analysis if you want to kind of take
it to the next level it's going to cost

3004
04:00:45,279 --> 04:00:53,040
this for example if Josh goes out to
core and core comes back and says you

3005
04:00:49,600 --> 04:00:56,160
know we can give you a basic idea but if
you really want to dial in those costs

3006
04:00:54,720 --> 04:01:00,399
we're going to have to have a little bit
of a fee we could come back to you and

3007
04:00:58,160 --> 04:01:05,760
say that and you could approve that. And
so I think initially we would try to do

3008
04:01:03,199 --> 04:01:10,720
it, you know, with with our own staff
and with the consultants that have

3009
04:01:08,960 --> 04:01:15,760
basically stepped forward already and
helped us for free. And you know,

3010
04:01:13,600 --> 04:01:21,520
Headwaters has been great. They've
helped us out on a lot of this stuff.

3011
04:01:17,520 --> 04:01:26,000
Core has been great. And so, and then,
you know, the other one as we dive down

3012
04:01:23,439 --> 04:01:30,319
deeper into it all, if we get to a place
where you guys are like, "Okay, now I'm

3013
04:01:27,760 --> 04:01:35,199
seeing how this could potentially work."
Um, you would definitely want to hire a

3014
04:01:33,040 --> 04:01:39,760
municipal adviser. And so, for the
police bond, we hired science, uh, which

3015
04:01:38,160 --> 04:01:44,160
was Michael, if you guys remember
Michael. Um, and so those are kind of

3016
04:01:42,640 --> 04:01:48,319
the consultants that you have to kind of
keep in mind, but we're not going to

3017
04:01:45,840 --> 04:01:55,199
just go hire those people until we get
some approval to do so.

3018
04:01:50,239 --> 04:02:00,880
» Okay. Okay. So, so just I I I was not on
board with pursuing the city hall option

3019
04:01:59,279 --> 04:02:02,000
because I don't understand the
financing.

3020
04:02:01,680 --> 04:02:05,520
» Yeah.
>> And I don't I I I just don't see how

3021
04:02:04,640 --> 04:02:12,160
that will work.
>> Okay. If if this motion is general

3022
04:02:08,000 --> 04:02:18,800
enough to pursue all those, you know,
get all that information before we, you

3023
04:02:15,359 --> 04:02:23,760
know, head down that path,
>> then I'm on board again. I'm back.

3024
04:02:22,000 --> 04:02:27,040
» Okay. I think that's where we want to
go. I think, you know, like like all of

3025
04:02:25,760 --> 04:02:30,560
you have mentioned, there's a lot of
unanswered questions and there's things

3026
04:02:28,720 --> 04:02:35,439
that we want to know more about on a lot
of the different things, but we I think

3027
04:02:32,560 --> 04:02:39,600
if we if we go with this, we can we can
get started on that and and and

3028
04:02:37,279 --> 04:02:42,080
accomplish a lot of those things. So, so
that's what we'll do. So, we do have a

3029
04:02:41,040 --> 04:02:45,840
motion on the floor.
>> Want me to restate it?

3030
04:02:43,760 --> 04:02:48,640
» I think it want to restate it.
>> Do I need to? [laughter]

3031
04:02:46,960 --> 04:02:52,199
» No, I think we're good. I think we I
think we got it.

3032
04:02:52,560 --> 04:02:59,520
» You're good.
Okay. Sounds like you get a restate.

3033
04:02:57,359 --> 04:03:05,439
» Okay. I
mayor, I move to restate my motion two

3034
04:03:02,160 --> 04:03:09,600
that we enter the planning phase to
determine square footage needs and

3035
04:03:07,199 --> 04:03:15,199
potential amounts for funding sources
for options

3036
04:03:11,680 --> 04:03:21,120
one, two, and three to build a new city
hall and police station.

3037
04:03:17,920 --> 04:03:24,239
» Okay. Does that make sense to everybody?
>> Does that make sense to you, Matt?

3038
04:03:22,720 --> 04:03:27,840
You're the one that's going to have to
in agreement with these two working

3039
04:03:26,080 --> 04:03:29,920
committees. I we would like to know that
as

3040
04:03:28,239 --> 04:03:32,720
» adding that we work within the two
working committees.

3041
04:03:31,040 --> 04:03:36,319
» Okay. Two committees to start the
planning process. Right.

3042
04:03:34,000 --> 04:03:41,199
» And we're happy to take your input on
who you want on those committees.

3043
04:03:38,399 --> 04:03:44,160
» Okay. Okay. We have a motion on the
floor.

3044
04:03:41,840 --> 04:03:46,720
» Is there a second to the motion?
>> Second.

3045
04:03:44,640 --> 04:03:51,359
» Second by council member Reer. Any
further discussion or questions?

3046
04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:56,960
» Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I Any opposed? All right, that motion

3047
04:03:54,960 --> 04:03:58,720
passes. We will go ahead and start our
planning process.

3048
04:03:58,080 --> 04:04:04,960
» We got there.
>> And uh certainly don't worry about

3049
04:04:01,760 --> 04:04:09,279
asking any more questions because we are
happy to try to figure out everything we

3050
04:04:07,279 --> 04:04:12,640
can and make things work the best way we
can. So, did you have a

3051
04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:16,080
» I just wanted to ask really quick. So,
the committees then when will we hear

3052
04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:18,560
who's going to be on those committees?
I'm assuming Council Member Reer is

3053
04:04:17,520 --> 04:04:22,479
going to stay on the police one. So,
it's really just the other one.

3054
04:04:20,160 --> 04:04:25,040
» Yeah. I mean I mean we can we can talk
about it right now if you want or I

3055
04:04:24,640 --> 04:04:28,880
don't know.
>> Is there is there anybody that would

3056
04:04:26,960 --> 04:04:33,600
that really has a burning desire to be
on that committee

3057
04:04:29,840 --> 04:04:37,600
» or you can put it on another agenda?
>> Councilor President Ericson says he

3058
04:04:35,520 --> 04:04:42,399
would like to be on the city hall
committee planning committee so so that

3059
04:04:39,920 --> 04:04:45,199
we can we can all understand the funding
better.

3060
04:04:43,680 --> 04:04:48,479
» Citizen raised her hand out there that
she wants to be on the committee.

3061
04:04:46,479 --> 04:04:53,520
» Oh, you want to be on the committee
Melanie?

3062
04:04:50,720 --> 04:04:57,920
a lot of experience in what you're
talking about. I was a manager for three

3063
04:04:55,680 --> 04:05:01,520
years off campus. I was a dorm mom for
four.

3064
04:04:59,760 --> 04:05:04,560
» We're happy to have a citizen member of
the committee. So, if you're

3065
04:05:02,800 --> 04:05:08,720
volunteering, let's let's write that
down and we'll maybe after the meeting

3066
04:05:06,800 --> 04:05:12,960
if you could give Deborah your contact
information would be great. Okay. Thank

3067
04:05:11,279 --> 04:05:17,600
you. We appreciate you being here and
sitting through this whole meeting.

3068
04:05:15,359 --> 04:05:20,479
» It has been fairly entertaining. I was
chief

3069
04:05:18,720 --> 04:05:22,000
» and then the rest is going staff and
things like that for the committee.

3070
04:05:21,760 --> 04:05:24,319
Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3071
04:05:23,359 --> 04:05:29,680
» Okay.
>> Um can I also

3072
04:05:25,680 --> 04:05:33,040
» Yes. Go ahead. Council member teach.
>> Um if I would just ask that like like we

3073
04:05:31,840 --> 04:05:36,000
did before with the police station that
if if council member couldn't be there

3074
04:05:34,479 --> 04:05:40,319
that is over there that they try and
find another one to substitute for them.

3075
04:05:38,080 --> 04:05:44,000
» Yeah, that's a good idea that if if for
some reason you can't be at a committee

3076
04:05:41,680 --> 04:05:49,760
meeting, see if you can uh have a
substitute come in for you. Yeah. So if

3077
04:05:46,880 --> 04:05:54,560
we can do that like after four,
Councilman Reer would really appreciate

3078
04:05:52,399 --> 04:05:58,630
that. [laughter] He's back to work.
>> Oh boy.

3079
04:05:56,720 --> 04:06:02,080
All right. Sounds good. We
[clears throat] Yeah, we'll do what we

3080
04:05:59,680 --> 04:06:07,520
can. Yes, Chief. I just lastly want to
say thank you for the support you guys

3081
04:06:04,640 --> 04:06:14,000
continually give us and I mean all the
the kind words and we do appreciate

3082
04:06:11,600 --> 04:06:18,640
all the options all I mean the the
effort and time and we know that it's

3083
04:06:15,840 --> 04:06:21,840
been thousands of hours in the past
several years and so we we appreciate

3084
04:06:20,800 --> 04:06:25,600
that
>> and whatever decisions are made moving

3085
04:06:24,239 --> 04:06:29,520
forward. So thank you.
>> Thank you. appreciate you and all you

3086
04:06:27,279 --> 04:06:32,720
do. Your police department, you do a
great job and we appreciate all of you

3087
04:06:30,960 --> 04:06:41,040
and we we want to get you set up the
best we can. So, thank you. All right,

3088
04:06:36,479 --> 04:06:45,279
let's move on. We've got uh item number
we're on item number 10. A well, a we

3089
04:06:43,760 --> 04:06:49,840
don't have any second readings. We do
have a third reading which is ordinance

3090
04:06:47,359 --> 04:06:54,720
number 1355, the final assessment role
for local improvement district 54. Uh we

3091
04:06:53,359 --> 04:06:59,760
have talked about this a couple of
times. Uh, unless there's any questions

3092
04:06:57,279 --> 04:07:05,040
on this or conversation, I would
entertain a motion to consider ordinance

3093
04:07:02,479 --> 04:07:07,680
1355, third read. Is there such a
motion?

3094
04:07:05,520 --> 04:07:11,920
» Mr. Mayor, I move that we adopt
ordinance number 1355.

3095
04:07:10,399 --> 04:07:16,319
Uh,
but and consider third red.

3096
04:07:14,399 --> 04:07:20,800
» Yeah. Thank you. All right. Council
President, is there a second to that

3097
04:07:17,840 --> 04:07:27,520
motion? Second by council member Reer.
Any further discuss? Oh. Oh, sorry.

3098
04:07:24,399 --> 04:07:29,920
Um any further discussion
hearing? None. All in favor?

3099
04:07:29,520 --> 04:07:35,600
» I.
>> Any opposed? All right. I will consider

3100
04:07:32,560 --> 04:07:41,680
that third red. Item number 1356 is the
amendment of the fiscal year 2026

3101
04:07:38,000 --> 04:07:45,760
budget. Uh is there any questions or or
or comments on this before we move

3102
04:07:43,920 --> 04:07:51,600
forward hearing? None. I would entertain
a motion to consider orange 1356 third

3103
04:07:48,640 --> 04:07:57,840
red
or number 1356

3104
04:07:55,840 --> 04:08:01,359
2026 budget third.
>> Thank you council member Rigggins. Is

3105
04:07:59,359 --> 04:08:04,399
there any second to that motion?
>> I'll second it.

3106
04:08:02,080 --> 04:08:08,880
» Second by council member Colin Ericson.
Any further discussion or questions?

3107
04:08:06,640 --> 04:08:15,439
Hearing none. All in favor.
>> Any opposed? All right. We'll consider

3108
04:08:11,439 --> 04:08:20,720
1356 third red and get them entered in.
All right. The consent calendar is uh

3109
04:08:18,080 --> 04:08:25,520
the minutes from the August 19th, 2026
meeting and the approval of the city of

3110
04:08:22,880 --> 04:08:29,680
Rexburg bills. Is there any questions
about any of those or or or uh

3111
04:08:28,319 --> 04:08:33,359
corrections to the minutes or anything
like that? Hearing none, I would

3112
04:08:32,080 --> 04:08:37,439
entertain a motion to approve the
consent calendar.

3113
04:08:36,080 --> 04:08:39,680
» I'll make a motion that we approve the
consent calendar.

3114
04:08:38,239 --> 04:08:43,840
» Thank you, Council Member Johnson. Is
there a second?

3115
04:08:41,840 --> 04:08:47,199
» Second by Council President Ericson. Any
further discussion? Hearing none. All in

3116
04:08:46,399 --> 04:08:51,120
favor?
>> I.

3117
04:08:47,760 --> 04:08:59,600
» Any opposed? All right. Consent calendar
will be done. Uh item number 12. We have

3118
04:08:56,000 --> 04:09:04,960
a executive session as per Idaho State
Statute 74-2061F

3119
04:09:03,120 --> 04:09:08,640
to communicate with legal council for
the public agency to discuss the legal

3120
04:09:06,800 --> 04:09:11,840
ramifications
of and legal options for pending

3121
04:09:10,319 --> 04:09:16,720
litigation
or controversies not yet being litigated

3122
04:09:14,080 --> 04:09:22,319
but imminently likely to be litigated.
Um, we do need to move into an executive

3123
04:09:19,520 --> 04:09:28,000
session for this. Is there a motion to
move into executive session? Mayor, I'll

3124
04:09:24,720 --> 04:09:31,120
move to move into session per Ericson.
Is there a second to that motion?

3125
04:09:30,399 --> 04:09:35,199
» I'll second that.
>> Second by council member Teen.

3126
04:09:33,279 --> 04:09:38,800
» Uh, we need a roll call vote for
executive session. Mariana, please.

3127
04:09:37,439 --> 04:09:40,560
» Council member Johnson.
>> Yes.

3128
04:09:39,359 --> 04:09:43,040
» Council member Ten.
>> Yes.

3129
04:09:41,199 --> 04:09:45,359
» Council member Colin Ericson.
>> Yes.

3130
04:09:43,439 --> 04:09:47,040
» Council member Reer.
>> Yes.

3131
04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:49,760
» Council member Riggins.
>> Yes.

3132
04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:52,479
» Council President Eric Ericson.
>> Yes.

3133
04:09:50,720 --> 04:09:57,680
» All right. That motion passes. we will
move into executive session which means

3134
04:09:54,880 --> 04:10:02,479
that we do have to ask the audience
members to clear the room and we will

3135
04:10:00,720 --> 04:10:07,040
deliberate after which we will come back
into session uh to adjourn so you're

3136
04:10:05,439 --> 04:10:10,239
welcome to come back for that if you'd
like

3137
04:10:08,560 --> 04:10:13,720
at this point in time we will move into
executive session

3138
04:10:14,000 --> 04:10:18,399
I think we can just
Okay.