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Secondary type perturances. So it would just be the roof peak of that roof line. It makes it very easy for us to, you know, administer that. We're looking at a plan set. We can see what it's supposed to be. Our building inspector can measure what needs to be measured.

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of you have with us is there appears to be accessory structures that are just so large for

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whether it's the lot size that they're on or just for that property based on the primary structure

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size so this is just height so we're just talking about height but somebody could still have

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huge square footage of a building that's almost, it's not larger than their primary structure,

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but it could be significant size. So that's one thing to keep in mind. As we go higher,

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and as you go to the 28 max, we may want to consider additional setbacks. So right now if you have

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a 5 foot setback on a lot, going up 28 feet might be kind of towering over a neighbor, and so maybe

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as you go up, we push the set back further in.

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And so those are things to also consider.

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your zoning category

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that you're in, if you're on a mistake lot,

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you can have different restrictions.

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what that would do is in some of our more internal neighborhoods

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with smaller lots, it would keep some of those towering

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So really there's kind of a third option where we look at it

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a lot by live, kind of zoning basis. Obviously, this is all common sense. We're looking at

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this, the shed, or does the accessory structure, or does it a butter and loss we, you know,

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if it meets those type of requirements for accessory dwelling units, where do you need flexibility

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that you guys are comfortable with, but also making it very predictable for

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what we are proposing

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is coming back to you with kind of that third option. That would

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of a context as it

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goes to yours. That's in line with a comprehensive plan, right? Also,

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building form is definitely a part of it.

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be spelled out for each plot size and building size, or is there room for interpretation,

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or personal preference so well like you know that's a good question

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staff doesn't like me so they didn't approve mine but they approve

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my neighbors and especially if you're falling all right so the challenge would be

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if you're in a single family 12 or you're in a smaller zone in the district

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and maybe you own two locks so does that mean that it's flat it or not into

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into one lot just because your lots bigger now but you're still in the zoning category where

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your neighbors are on the small lots. Those are things where I can see those in the area

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area but that will clarify so that it's no you're in that same zoning district so you have

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to stick with which your neighbor's out. But that kind of simply be clear about it. It's not going

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to be left up to conferences. I mean I think that the point of the common sense is to provide

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like it does a pretty good job, it was really the height definition that got a lot of the latest conversations based on that height.

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So it addressed the main structure, I guess, as what it was, and the others, so we talk about all the extensions on top of we do away with those.

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the main structure is the height of the governance of the

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of the accessory structure.

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So what I've seen is now the end thing when people are

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remodeling the kind of making story.

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You have buildings and stuff about it.

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On a set of 100 square feet, are we limiting anybody

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from making anything?

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You know, because of the way the property is.

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I just don't want them to limit somebody from doing something like a moron to structure.

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It can be a real nice addition to gravity, right?

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So yeah, this would be, again, sensitive to the primary structure.

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This is just the accessory.

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Oh, it's primary structure.

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You're primary structure.

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It's going to follow our maximum heights for your zoning districts and things like that.

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Look, which would allow two stories and then again, if you came in,

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You wanted the two-story, accessory building, as long as it was at 25 or 28 feet or under or less than the primaries.

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Let's enter into your object.

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So, apparently in the past, it's been kind of hard to follow.

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So, what's the best builders, the residents, and staff to try to tackle our time to deal with?

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But that's probably how we need to look at it, too.

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So, it's just, it's real clear.

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Very clear.

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Because right now, it hasn't been some samples.

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I think this is the easiest way to show that.

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Yeah, some graphital.

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That'd be good.

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But yeah, making it predictable, and that way,

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somebody's looking at it for their own property.

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I know whether they can get into the creature.

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I like the idea of a set back, too,

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if it's a taller structure.

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Maybe moving it out a little further.

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So it's just not looking in somebody's backyard pool, right?

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No, that can't be possible.

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But it's just accessory.

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So, okay, because I was going to ask you what happens when somebody's got one of the older

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homes with pretty much a flat roof on it.

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So, yeah, they want to add on to it and go 40 feet up in the air behind it.

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I mean, still I think it's still attached, but what's going to prevent that from happening

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It's not that stuff.

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It's a accessory.

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It's primary, but in that instance, we have maximum heights.

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They are zoning.

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So like, hopefully,

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a lot out of code.

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So take for instance, the house across the street where you are, they have the flat roof,

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so they're limited to whatever that is, 12 feet, they can't go 15 feet.

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That's attached. That's attached. That's different. I don't know what it is. Well, is it? Yeah. If you put it to me, if it fits within the primary structure, if you think. If your addition is a two-story structure, only two, it connects to the house. That's different. Yeah. Like it over, example, was that case where the primary structure was expanded at the same time as the accessory building, and they physically attached it to where it came off the kitchen.

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and what they're in the last week, so they were able to

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go out for less than the primary structure.

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had in that case, the accessory structure would

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Maybe this is another day or something, but they have these breezeways, a walkway in between the access to the structure and the main building to make it into a main building.

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And that becomes, you know, if it's attached to the main building, it's wanting.

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But it's open, so it's not exactly attached.

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covered walkway.

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you'll be allowed to have even if it's connected to the main building.

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so now that that's zoning versus building code.

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So we're talking about firecode and residential code,

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but I think what we were proposing is to come back on the road.

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in October as a joint work session with Ph.E. and I'm hearing all those, I hope that

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Council and Ph.E. together and then talk about this one more time with the final

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ordinance and came to what's drafted and then you guys can speak about that together

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then we'll talk about the correct statutory structure.

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And then Arden is here.

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Some of you have met Arden Sparks.

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She, her novel, looks at some other things too.

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that we can fix some consistent challenges

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without that we may bring up.

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The height issue is pretty standard around the area

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for most codes.

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I've looked about in some other cities.

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So the right line, nothing out of the ordinary.

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So we'll definitely put a tier, like, as it goes up.

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And all we'll have on the screen is if you're out of a low

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15 feet, then maybe you can have a five foot set back

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so if you're going over 15

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It's not really a template standard.

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It's compared to other communities.

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Or is it something new that we're seeing?

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I think it's really based on the size and loss that we have.

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It's really more of a lot.

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The other cities do have a tier.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So you could have a table that shows all that too.

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That's good.

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I think showing what pictures though.

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Oh, I'm very old.

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More pictures.

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I'm sure.

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I'm sure.

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All right.

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Anybody else have anything else?

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All right.

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Item one.

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Seed is discussion of the proposed 2024 International Code.

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A bookable, more central, Texas Council of Governments, regional amendments, and

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the 2022 National Electrical Code.

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This discussion also addresses how the codes apply to older buildings and when

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of renovations, changes of occupancy,

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or other safe conditions may require additional work.

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Jason, please present some research.

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So if you recall, we brought this back

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about the same time as the accessory structures.

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We've been working to bring our 2018 codes up to the 2024 standards

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when we talked originally back in that last workshop,

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we talked about bringing the electric code to the 2020-2023 code

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And instead we got some feedback from Council at that time.

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Let's just go to the 2026 electric code,

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because the state just adopted that.

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And it's in effect as of September 1 of this year.

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So we've kind of changed that recommendation

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to bring everything up to the 2024 codes with the cog amendments.

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But on the electric code,

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to bring that into the 2026 version.

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So you asked our staff to look at like a table.

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It's just going to deter investment when your investment renovation is going to make it harder for businesses to come here.

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So Chief Rhodes has done enough research on the fire side.

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JP and I talked about what's the changes going to be to the buildings that have been residential outside.

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So I can speak a little to that.

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But I'd like Chief Rhodes to come up and just give you an update of what his thoughts are from the fire perspective.

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So my approach tonight is to address two things that, and we can discuss whatever you want in relation to the Farco, but when we met in May, there was two questions that Council asked.

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One of them, it was, are we getting trained related to the new addition of the Farcode,

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which we have done so this year?

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Our inspector Brian Brindling here in the back has went to multiple classes during the year

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one just, I believe, has last week, where he went to a regional training session related

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to the new Farcode.

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So we have been doing that, this year mine has been a little more informal research on my

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have not went to any formal classes. The second question that you asked is what would happen

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if we decided to not adopt these codes specifically the International Fire Code and stay

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with the 2018 edition. So there's a few things that we can talk about on that and I'll try to

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move along pretty quickly. We currently have an ISO score of 83.48 which puts us comfortably in an ISO

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to score evaluation, which is about 15% of the fire departments across the state of Texas.

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So it puts us in what you would call on the lead tier.

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One is the best score.

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Ten is a non-recognized department.

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With that 83.48, Councilman Spear, you specifically asked this question and I didn't have

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a good answer for you at the time.

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I do tonight.

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We would potentially lose the ISO to score.

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Rating, and go to a three. Matter of fact, I feel like the research that I found, I can tell you that that is near certainty, depending if there's no other factors involved in an ISO evaluation that would put us two additions out.

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And we have a margin below 80 takes you to a three. So if we work to lose any more than 3.48 points, we're going to go to a three.

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What does that do to our community? Well, so a couple of things to take into consideration on an average residential home.

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It's a little harder to explain on the residential side because certain insurance carriers approach the ISO public protection classification a little differently.

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But as a rule, the increase to a potential single-family residential homeowner here on their insurers premiums would be between zero and three percent annually, which on and I used a value of 275 to 325 on the house range, just to kind of give us something to talk about.

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that equates to about a seventy five dollar a year increase not crazy but it's still an increase

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it's more significant on the commercial side uh on a smart commercial retail just going from

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that two to three could potentially have them increase a four to seven percent uh insurance premium

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increase which ranges around two hundred fifty to six hundred dollars annually on a large

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commercial, that number grows quite a bit up to $2, $2, $2, $5, $500 a year.

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Potentially, again, all of this is just me doing research on what would, could happen if we

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were to lose our ISO to the value issue.

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From any questions on that, are any need for me to explain a little more detail on how the

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rating format is done by ISO for public protection classifications.

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Chief, can you talk a little bit about the battery storage and some of those?

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Yes, sir.

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So when we talked in May, we gave you kind of a quick overview and I'll revisit that.

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The most significant changes from the 18 edition to the 2024 edition are these.

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At, in the 18 edition, on Lithamide, Ion battery storage, there was hardly anything, there's hardly anything

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of the rest in the 18 edition.

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In the 2024, you have your first ever comprehensive standards at lying stores, thresholds, permitting triggers,

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and active suppression requirements.

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So, it addresses battery, Lithium Ion batteries in detail, and gives us a little bit of a

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The ability to follow guidelines there.

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Another one that's a significant one is carbon monoxide alarms.

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That was limited mostly to residential structures or locations that have fuel fire to plants, restaurants,

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like natural gas, things like that.

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In the new 2024, it's mandatory.

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Carbon monoxide detection is mandatory across all commercial, retail, institutional and residential occupancies,

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which I'm making calls over years on carbon dioxide, poisoning situations, especially in single

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family homes.

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I'm a firm believer that this is a very important upgrade.

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The other ones are fire command centers for fire alarm systems, radio, public address,

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top set-ups in fire alarm systems. There are some changes in dimensions on the fire

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code. It went from 20 to 24 feet on width and also it went from 13-6 which is

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our ordinance under low-hate on vertical clearance to 14 feet because apparatus

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are just bigger and bigger now and they continue to to get bigger in size for one

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or another. And so that for the most part are your biggest changes in the fire code. They

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they don't just rewrite the whole thing and just kind of add these things above.

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There's some information there about distilleries, breweries, things like that that were added

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as well, and anything else that I can address on the changes I'd be happy to.

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So what triggers some of the changes like that bring something up to code?

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So if you're talking about residential, I want to remodel my kitchen.

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Do I have to bring the whole house up to code?

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Is that the kind of thing?

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Is it what kind of changes like that?

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Are we going to see that are different from what we've got now?

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The problem at primary and for us, the residential single family, we don't get to involved in that.

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That would be under the residential code building official would probably get involved

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If somebody was doing a significant remodel for us, when a trigger of a significant remodel that exceeds a threshold generally, it's like 50% on a commercial business, or they apply for a new certificate of occupancy.

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Then that grandfathering guideline under under whatever addition of the fire code that they went in under.

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Let's say they were built in 2012.

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They might be under the 10 or 14 or 2008 edition of the fire code at that time.

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So they're technically grandfathered and less is unless it's a life safety issue.

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That's always current.

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But if somebody comes in for a big remodel,

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are a new certificate of occupancy. They're going to meet if we adopt the 2024 they would meet

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the those codes and carbon monoxide detection system would be part of that. Okay, so take

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for instance on 26 the black envelope, a Tadea building that's currently for sale. Yes, sir. So that

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has to be brought up. So they have to sprinkle the building too. Is that something, is that part of

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this, or you just talk about just a electrical for your work.

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Let me jump in there.

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Please.

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Yeah, for that specific building, if it was vacant for six months or more, when we get a new,

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excuse me, a new CEO.

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They're looking at the building type, not just the occupancy type.

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But that building, I believe, is over six thousand square feet, which would require.

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Okay.

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That's the option A and option B component that we discussed under the cog amendments.

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And we generally, well, let me rephrase that.

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Most of our neighboring cities, with the exception, I'll say a fourth or

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third Alice, generally go with option B, which is the managers like he stated,

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would anything over 6,000 square foot in the new code, would put you over to

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necessitating automatic sprinkles just to be and that's it our existing code. It is. It is.

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It is. It is. It is. It is really adding a lot of hardship for developers to come in.

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I don't I don't I don't think so. Some of the research.

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It appears when you're looking into that with these developers that are used to doing and so many departments, communities are adopting the new code that it is more consistent for them and easier to be all generally working under the same addition of the fire code.

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So it, when I was looking into this, it looks like a negative really in a way in a community

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when you do not maintain the current coach.

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That's my threat, is it for our contractors and for developers, if we're more current,

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we're going to make it easier on them and make it cleaner for our inspection teams.

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And so to be clear, this is 2826 is for residential and

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commercial, right?

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2024.

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It's for everything.

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Except for the electrical.

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The electrical is not relevant.

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Electrical.

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So, 236 is for residential and commercial.

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So, you want to put a power wall.

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You want to put something else.

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To the court.

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Get it to.

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Right.

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And it covers it.

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It does have it.

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They have adopted the local amendments for that.

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For the natural electrical.

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Right.

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We were not sure if they would have those adopted yet.

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And

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the Kog does a lot of the work force so that it's all worked out, this sure lots of input.

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This seems to align well if we adopt this.

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That's what I'd recommend to the you know, it just makes bit sense.

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Now I've got some things on the screen that kind of show you what would trigger you know,

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holding code update and then J.P. had written this memo before he left.

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So in the packet is basically you

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know, when you're talking about routine maintenance work,

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And you're going to do something small in your house, kind of like what you've said with that 50% or more.

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That's really made existing building code, which is the IEPC, the building code, and the residential code,

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made your work as for those larger operations.

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But if you're doing routine or smaller pair, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to bring the entire building up to code.

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Just what you're doing has to be up to code.

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Property made in its code, which is the IEPC.

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those are the what we use for commercial properties

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and there's not really anything

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local

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so that's really to

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call us first. They find out what codes were on a lot

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of times we'll set them in contact with the other talks to talk to the building

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official

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so if we can knock out the preliminary where

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it's typically what happens is

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one residential person you know homes that live there for 40 years they hire a

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contractor, and they don't call the city first. That's where we've come into the issues

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because there wasn't a heart attack or an

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engine.

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Chief, on quick question, we have a lot of houses here with natural gas.

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We mandate carbon monoxide detectors now. Why don't we mandate gas detectors in the house

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because it does a gas leak, which happened recently and there was no, you know, detector

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inside.

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So, is that something which is there in any of these courts or we just didn't know, we don't

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need to adopt it.

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So, if I'm going to try to, I think I understand where you're going where the question

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First off, on all of our residential homes, and less, they do some kind of remodel, like

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that the manager said, they don't have to have a carbon monoxide detector in their home.

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They don't have to have a smoke detector in their home.

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Now we proactively try to educate the public on the importance of that, especially smoke detectors.

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That's a given, but we also try to do the same thing on carbon monoxide detection.

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It's odorless, it's near the value of air, so it doesn't synchronize that much, and so we try to educate people, but if we had a new housing edition come in, it would be mandated.

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And you would have to have hardwired in-series smoke detectors under the residential code, all of those things are tied in. But for the existing homes, unless they proactively do that, then they may or may not have this.

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Yeah, I'm talking about the idea of the new idea and I think to a house and then they have to put those series in a series

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of small detectives we put and if the house has the gas that we should have a gas detector

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because these lines are old and they pop a leak.

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But not everyone can smell it.

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And yeah, it's true.

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It's breathe carry.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know that.

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I

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don't have any videos.

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Thanks a lot.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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No, we've been working on this.

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Thank you, Chief.

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Yes, sir.

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Item 1D is discussion of the process.

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We're selecting a permissible judge.

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Council may direct staff to conduct

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Enrichland Hill solicitation or participate in a joint process

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With North Richland Hills, I'm going to talk, Jason, if you want to.

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Yes, mayor.

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So I had reached out to City Manager of North Richland Hills and the City Manager of

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Otaga, the three cities all had Judge Vass as they're presiding judge.

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And I just asked them what their timeline or process was.

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We have two associate judges that you have appointed in the past that have terms that go

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for December of 2027.

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That's Judge RB in Judge Wolfe.

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So we're covered right now.

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We've got magistrate.

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We've been able to have the ability to hold court.

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But in terms of hiring or appointing a presiding judge,

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the question is, Norfolkian Hill is suggested,

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hey, if we want to go out as a group,

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there could be a potential solicitation

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for municipal judge in my life.

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Be a better opportunity if the kind of the three cities are multiple cities versus us individually going out.

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So before I responded to North Virginia's on that, I wanted to counsel and get your take.

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What your preference with the staff doesn't necessarily have any recommendations.

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We think that Judge Bass was kind of a one-on-a-kind guy, and I don't know that we can replicate him.

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So, what we're not going to overreplicate now, but I do like the idea of the three cities still trying to know together.

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It just, you know, it does help lock down somebody.

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And it makes the people know the area better.

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You know, I think it's faster.

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The area better.

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It was there.

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I'm going to talk to there.

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It was not here.

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So, yeah, if we could do that, that would be great.

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And I think that's good consistency across the board, that way too, I agree, so also they don't

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say, oh, get in trouble in that time they're not going to mess with you, so we're

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not going to do it in that time, so I think it's just consistency across the board.

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I think joint is definitely the way to go because it brings consistency and if we're all

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going to use this judge, so it seems to me better that we all work together in the campus.

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How would you see these selection processes in this too?

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So they put together kind of an RFP or I'm assuming kind of like a job search type committee together and it would be made up of our municipal court administrators through the various cities to put something out in the neighboring kind of the final candidates to the councils.

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So, even if we go to the joint process, it doesn't mean you have to go all higher the same judge.

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And the other two cities may not want to do this.

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They may come back and say, no, we want to do our own thing.

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So, just by us telling all that city manager of North Michigan,

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we have our council's interested.

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She'll take it to her council and say, we're going to take it to the Natalya Council

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and ask for the same feedback.

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But we would go through that process probably over the next 60 days.

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You think there would be any cost savings if we did a joint selection on this?

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I mean, I don't know, but they still have to cover all cities.

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Yeah, I mean, with Judge Bath, you know, we have an hourly rate, or a set of budget amount.

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Basically, we've got a salary, and I believe, like, you

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know, paid hours, you know,

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just some real strictly paid by the average that that judge is here.

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It's

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going to be like a chance.

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Yeah, that's good.

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We get up.

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We get a chance.

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Yeah, sure.

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OK.

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All right?

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That's over.

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Sounds good.

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Sorry.

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We believe it.

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No.

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OK.

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If we get into negotiations, those also represent sort of features.

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We'll just have to go through the conflict waiver process.

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But that's further down.

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OK.

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Moving on.

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Item 1A is discussion of aging utility billing and municipal court balances under the city right off policy.

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You can share that with us please.

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Yes sir.

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Okay, so in front of you is an exhibit A.

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This is your policy that you adopted back in April of earlier this year.

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And this was in response to when we did our fiscal 20 fiscal year 25 audit.

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the auditors came and told you a couple findings that they had. One was the court and utility

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billing collections that have been on the books for a long time and there was a significant number

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that would typically have been written off over a couple of years old and so that's the policy

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you can see what we're monitoring and then who has the ability to write things off, you know,

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right off a million dollars collections without coming to Council, but there is a $5,000

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or threshold where if it's over a certain age, City Manager has the ability to write

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that off.

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Now that doesn't mean we don't try to still collect it, it just means we're writing it off

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the books.

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So it's not just staying on our college.

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5,000 to 25,000 City Manager has the authority with Council notification and then over 25,000 would come to City Council for consideration.

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And that would be all documented for audit purposes.

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Vicki, would you like to come up and maybe help me just in case I say something out of line?

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But we've got these aging reports and there are just summaries.

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You've got the municipal court with citations.

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If you look at the fact that balance of all citations, it's kind of prints funny.

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But there's 51,000 warrant fees that are outstanding total amount.

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If you look at the bottom line, it's 4.6 million.

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And so, most of that is in just fines, court fines, and the win quit.

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And you can see that aging report 9355 are over 180 days.

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And Jason, I will say at that 4.6 million, I believe it is.

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There's a large portion of that, but it's not even our money.

460
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That's money that goes to the state.

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So, when we're looking at how much of that is actually ours,

462
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:44,800
I asked Elisa to give me that breakdown so that we can know how much is truly ours, but when it comes to court, if it's that old week, we already sent that to collections with line barger for court, so we already have them already working on those cases that are over 180 days as soon, but that doesn't guarantee that we're getting money.

463
00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:51,120
So we send this to line barger after 180 days, or do we send it after 30 days?

464
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:58,400
I'm not sure, I would have to ask Eliza on that, because I don't know at what point we send it to collections.

465
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,160
Because there can be cases that are like 30 to 60 days passed through that are still waiting on,

466
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,340
like they haven't appeared in court, like they've got an extension, whatever.

467
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,020
So we don't necessarily send it to collections if it's still an active case.

468
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:16,140
But if it's basically we haven't had anything that people haven't showed up.

469
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,740
They haven't attempted to make anything then we would send it to collections.

470
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:25,020
And if we're going to warrant it before it even goes in the election's line barter has the text message

471
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:29,980
Bloss if they've been pushing out to try to get people to come in and type it will go it goes

472
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,820
To warrant before it goes to collections. So when you say it goes to warrant does that mean they're going to jail?

473
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:38,840
If they get picked up they could, yeah.

474
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:44,100
And if it's reported, we report to regional to get right.

475
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:53,600
So all of your warrant are reported to regional, so even if they're picked up in another city, and they have a warrant in and written hills, they will arrest them for that.

476
00:37:53,600 --> 00:38:03,820
Yeah, but this is wipe away their warrants if we know okay now and it actually wouldn't be writing off anything

477
00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:08,680
That's actually in warrants that it's like so you would have to be when when you look at right off

478
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,500
You would be writing off stuff that truly is not going to be collected

479
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:19,420
So like you know maybe there's been and I can't think of some of the scenarios right off the top of my head

480
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:21,620
But once they're in warrant they stay in warrant

481
00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:26,700
We can still try to collect on on a date line marker, but once we put them into warrant, they

482
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:33,220
will stay in warrant, but that's where a large portion of your time's are too, so we'll

483
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,640
keep attempting to collect on those, and the warrants will stay there, even if you wrote it,

484
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,020
wrote it off your books, the warrants will still stay there.

485
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:49,780
So, is this something that one marker wasn't taken care of before, or are there gonna look at it,

486
00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:56,460
going forward or how does that how come we're we put this place now yeah it's

487
00:38:56,460 --> 00:39:00,940
not really something new okay I think that this is pretty common

488
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:07,020
of any city to have a large outstanding court balance yeah that's just normal yeah

489
00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:12,760
it's the utility bill inside maybe a little bit easier to understand like we've

490
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:20,220
But over three years, 856,000, those may be closed out accounts, business left,

491
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:32,030
or the new person comes in and pays their deposit, and those other payments haven't been made, and so like those are things that we necessarily go

492
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:37,140
with.

493
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:41,640
Are these code fines also? I guess they are, okay.

494
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,500
I'm not quite tired yet.

495
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:47,340
Okay, so are those still attached to the house with leans?

496
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,220
If they were, yes, if there was a lean attached to it.

497
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,320
And so, like we have to ask, we said, pull that.

498
00:39:57,580 --> 00:39:59,480
Yeah, just pull that.

499
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,460
So if we write that off, those leans would be removed.

500
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,740
The only thing we're writing off is just off of our books.

501
00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:10,500
So that other stuff changes.

502
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,880
So, this is not the amount we're writing off, we are writing off because most of that is state.

503
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,300
So, we are writing off only our portion of it.

504
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,020
Correct.

505
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,780
And this is what you've done all of it.

506
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:24,900
This is a count for instance where it's written on.

507
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:27,120
Yeah, and you should already show on your audit.

508
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:31,460
Like in your audit currently you should have an outstanding AR balance.

509
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:34,960
And then there should also be a portion that's an allowance for uncollectable.

510
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,340
So, you already have that kind of an amount that you're sitting out there

511
00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:44,780
you're saying we're not going to collect this. This is just a matter to actually take that off the

512
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:49,820
books. To reduce it. Yeah, stop caring. Yeah, just let's stop caring. You're not going to

513
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:53,560
collect it. You're not going to collect it. You're not going to be saving to some people if you have

514
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,360
accounts for a single line. That's, you have stuff in it three years old that you're just, you're not going

515
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,840
to collect. And if you did, they great. Right. And the thing is, we're not going to stop trying to collect

516
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,720
on them. If we collect the money and set up, looking at against your AR, you're just going to be

517
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,320
looking at revenue at that point that you receive it.

518
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:12,540
Okay.

519
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:18,800
And we'll come back to you with the formal resolution for the actual amount.

520
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,440
It's not going to be 4.6 million.

521
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:21,620
All right.

522
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:27,340
And the auditors are actually being here this week, so I'll talk to them about what that process

523
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:28,480
needs to look like to.

524
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:36,320
Give me an example of this, because over three years old, we have 856,000, tell me what's

525
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,200
in that bucket.

526
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:45,320
Like give me an example of what's three years past yeah, so that's a lot of money. Somebody you've made

527
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:52,320
Person deceased and the family took over the property. I ate a lot

528
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,120
You'd do you know

529
00:41:54,120 --> 00:42:00,940
a couple months three months before we cut it off and then it just sat there until that house switched over

530
00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:05,440
But that money just never got collected. So now it's and we can't collect it from the new owner

531
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:16,600
And I've seen where that happened, where we had so many dies, the family takes several months to sell to somebody, so the new owner doesn't know what he's saying.

532
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,300
They bought it, they just come in and open up their account.

533
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,320
And like, we couldn't collect it from a new owner.

534
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Right.

535
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:26,480
And it happens on commercial businesses too.

536
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:28,900
So you have a commercial business leave.

537
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,880
You have new people come in and new tenant.

538
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,620
Whatever the business leaves, they don't pay.

539
00:42:32,620 --> 00:42:34,560
we can't charge it to the new tenant.

540
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:37,480
We can sometimes try to, if it's a business,

541
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,600
if it's a building and you have a different owner

542
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,020
sometimes we can try to get the owner,

543
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:43,380
but even then it's hard to collect on that.

544
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,900
On core has to deal with all this too.

545
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,320
People don't want away from their businesses

546
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,380
they're doing the same thing.

547
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:50,560
And you'll see, I mean, I think I don't know

548
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,500
for talking about the fees tonight,

549
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:54,040
but one of the things that we're recommending

550
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,980
in the fees is to increase your deposit

551
00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:59,280
because right now your deposit doesn't even cover one month.

552
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,680
If somebody were to leave

553
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,620
And we have five other positive, it wouldn't even cover one month of their bill.

554
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:04,700
So.

555
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:05,940
Okay.

556
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:10,020
Does line positive get in more than this also, or?

557
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,320
Yes.

558
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,220
On the quasi-side data.

559
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:12,760
The courts.

560
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:13,740
Just courts.

561
00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:15,220
They add a fee.

562
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:17,000
They add a collection fee.

563
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,540
How do we get something back then, then getting nothing right?

564
00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:25,280
We're going to try to recruit that fee, or does it?

565
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,140
I think that they can pass that fee on.

566
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:35,960
So when night when and that I would have to verify with with my marker, but I'm pretty sure like if there's a collection fee added

567
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,600
They can pass that on to the person or collecting from

568
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,360
Yeah, yeah

569
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,460
Yeah, my thought is if it's we should we should get this down because it's

570
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:54,640
Point better point it out. It's inflated and it's not gonna happen. Well, it makes your books inflated too

571
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560
It looks like you have more assets than you actually have

572
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:01,660
So let's, in the baking world, we call this a charge-off.

573
00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:06,500
Right, right, and you might as well deal, you know, deal with early, deal with the

574
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:06,660
quick.

575
00:44:06,820 --> 00:44:10,440
But given the size of this, it probably makes sense that it comes before council.

576
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:16,760
And we do it as a body action rather than have the staff run it through five, five

577
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,120
bottles.

578
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Yeah, I think this initial one, we would have a pretty large right off the mount.

579
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:25,920
And then going forward, we would be doing it annually.

580
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,400
So then it shouldn't get to this huge amount we would be doing it as part of the annual audit process.

581
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:35,560
Yeah, because some of us have been on council for a while, we've never done this before.

582
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:36,700
Yeah.

583
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,780
Do we do monthly close-outs or re-order stuff off that monthly?

584
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,880
Normally, we don't write them off at the end of every month.

585
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:46,500
Normally, that's just on a day at the end of the fiscal year.

586
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:47,680
Yeah.

587
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,780
We definitely need to see the numbers.

588
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:57,120
and seeing that it's getting written off because clearly it hasn't been happening and nobody

589
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,700
we haven't been able to track it. I think my life counts immediately.

590
00:45:02,290 --> 00:45:08,290
No, that was only eight years ago, so we're going to see if you can go back to.

591
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:19,410
You said you should have, you should see a bad debt right off every year, especially in your utility fund.

592
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:22,990
You're always going to have that debt here and in your court.

593
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:24,430
You should be standing there.

594
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:29,510
But we should, we should have enabled staff to make that happen, and we just didn't see it.

595
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:32,370
It's reported. It's already done.

596
00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:33,370
All right.

597
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:35,290
Thanks, Ricky.

598
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:36,030
Thanks, Ricky.

599
00:45:36,030 --> 00:45:36,370
Thank you.

600
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:39,050
All right.

601
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:43,530
Item 1-AF is discussion of our age 101.

602
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:50,210
A proposed free eight session civic academy for twenty to twenty four residents targeted

603
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:51,450
to begin in October.

604
00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:54,170
Jason, if you just have it, that's too.

605
00:45:54,610 --> 00:45:54,870
All right.

606
00:45:55,010 --> 00:46:00,450
So we brought this up a few months ago as an opportunity to get more citizen engagement.

607
00:46:01,170 --> 00:46:13,530
And we are looking to kick off a pilot program in October where we would meet on Thursday evenings just kind of looking at different apartment calendars that seem to be the best evening.

608
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:21,670
Go from 6 o'clock to 8 o'clock we probably have a dinner available for the participants.

609
00:46:22,330 --> 00:46:27,350
And we get to get to know all the departments in the government and how things work.

610
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:32,760
It's really just meant to be a civic one moment.

611
00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:38,340
So the first meeting would really kick off with like how is our city set up as a government.

612
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:42,520
We're at Councilmember Campbell.

613
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,780
She is, she's a alumni.

614
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,200
She's the president of the police association alumni.

615
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,760
And she took it upon herself to go ahead and put a first program

616
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,640
presentation together. So I've got it here just as an example of course we'll talk

617
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,880
through a staff updating this and then having came down some things but just to give

618
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:13,160
you an example of what we're talking about, you know this would be coming in to this chamber

619
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:20,580
likely and then explaining how the different structure the government works, which

620
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:24,880
Rich some hills in terms of size and scale,

621
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,940
how the council manager formed what government works,

622
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,680
talking through

623
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:38,200
what city councils do,

624
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,590
probably have them decide what an agenda may look like,

625
00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:44,970
you know, from the council perspective,

626
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:49,230
and give them some just real experience on what goes on.

627
00:47:49,310 --> 00:47:51,430
I think there's a lot of misconception and a lot of times,

628
00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:54,670
especially with all the politics that are on the news,

629
00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:55,990
outside of local government,

630
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:59,310
we're talking about state, county, and federal level.

631
00:47:59,930 --> 00:48:04,010
What actually happens at the city, it's a lot more transparent than people get.

632
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,980
And so I think that's really what the goal is.

633
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:15,460
And then the next week, it would go into public works, and they would do a session on

634
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:20,300
here's how we operate public works, you know, these are the type of work orders we get every day.

635
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:24,580
Then we go into parks and recreation and library, animal services,

636
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:29,920
come back at the end

637
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,580
with the graduation and they would actually come to a council meeting and

638
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:37,460
then that's kind

639
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:39,740
of your cool.

640
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,560
For the types of financial funds and why would you guess?

641
00:48:59,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Oh yeah.

642
00:49:00,260 --> 00:49:01,420
I thought you'd find it as something.

643
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:05,280
Second session, I think, is actually what we have pointed.

644
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,100
I think that would be pretty interesting.

645
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,480
I think that's kind of one of our biggest misunderstandings is, you know, we're, we've

646
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,700
these potholes, but wherever you're building, you know, but the funding and stuff is different.

647
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,540
I'm kind of what happens in executive session.

648
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Okay.

649
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,000
Here you go.

650
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:26,780
Oh, boy.

651
00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:27,820
It's like...

652
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:28,500
That's you.

653
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,420
You can't tell that.

654
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,040
The code enforcement process.

655
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:31,900
Yeah, yeah.

656
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:34,020
I reported this and nothing is happening.

657
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Well, the things that go on behind the scenes, and it looks like nothing's happening,

658
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,460
but things really are.

659
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:41,000
Yes.

660
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:45,520
Well, in the finance part, I want to talk about having our capital and talking about.

661
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:53,380
the water bills, and you know how your water bill is, it's not inside of it, yeah, yeah.

662
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,760
Your property tax does go under water bill, your water bill has to pay for the water infrastructure.

663
00:49:59,380 --> 00:50:00,020
That kind of stuff.

664
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,560
Anyway, thanks a great idea.

665
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:05,400
I think everybody here's in by and in.

666
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:11,760
And we've got, there's an agenda from, we've got a agenda from Northwestern Hills, Bedford,

667
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,940
got one from Michigan, I turned in.

668
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:14,120
Yeah.

669
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,800
So yeah, this I think is this over there. It's going to be great great great great place

670
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,340
I think we have a pretty good how do we start off with a whole group that would

671
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,660
Show a lot of interest to begin with so one of my

672
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,040
Suggestions is that it you know council actually is kind of who's our main recruiters

673
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Yeah, and here's who I would suggest you talk you target our people maybe on social media or residents that

674
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:45,520
are not happy with the city, or they're not happy with what they're saying, or they have a lot of questions about that.

675
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:53,760
That way we can help address those, and if we will see actual concerns that we need to address, and how to learn as well.

676
00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,500
Are you all going to create some kind of a little effort type social media post that we can share?

677
00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:03,640
We'll get something together within the next week.

678
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:12,740
I'll work with Shina and then calendar and then we'll invite Council, so we'll probably post a possible forum for each one of these.

679
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,800
That way, if you guys want to catch up on, okay, I was going to ask about Quorum.

680
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:19,120
You would have to coordinate if you didn't have that posted.

681
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,960
I think they may even have questions.

682
00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:34,880
This one is a tricky one from a Quorum perspective, because while we're not talking about city business, it's all about city business.

683
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,640
Well, if he doesn't notice the public.

684
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,280
We don't have a problem at all.

685
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Yeah.

686
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,080
That's how it makes it easy.

687
00:51:42,850 --> 00:51:47,230
It's great too because staff can learn what the citizens needs are, too.

688
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:50,030
Instead of just what's going on on social media,

689
00:51:50,310 --> 00:51:53,290
just you hear straight from them with their thoughts or something.

690
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:54,670
A lot of things.

691
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:57,830
Thank you, Jason.

692
00:52:00,390 --> 00:52:00,590
All right.

693
00:52:00,710 --> 00:52:03,270
Item 1G is the discussion of water and sewer rate.

694
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:05,690
Adjustments for fiscal year,

695
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:21,170
in the city's long term utility forecast staff will also present the cost of maintaining and replacing water or city infrastructure followed by a demonstration of how water worth can test

696
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:29,530
project, reserve, debt, rate, and customer bills and those who present these, let me

697
00:52:29,530 --> 00:52:29,970
have Shina.

698
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:59,980
The Zoom still, it's not going to work, right? Okay. So, water worth is not able to join us tonight. Just technical difficulties, but we will bring them back on October 12th. And actually it'll be better because they'll show you a lot more detail. Tonight was just going to be an example of the platform that we're using. And it's it's to later in capital projects. Operational revenues, operational expenditures, debt service. And with all that, that can tell us where our cash is.

699
00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:12,030
So without them presenting, we can still move forward and represent the information to what we're proposing.

700
00:53:13,830 --> 00:53:18,650
As a reminder, if we go back as if you remember, we did a proven ordinance.

701
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:20,390
I believe it was January

702
00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:28,650
based on the will band engineering study that was done in 2024.

703
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:33,650
So they did a study, they said, okay, give us all your capital projects, tell us what

704
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:39,290
we're, we're water, wastewater, TRA wastewater, what those costs are, what's it cost

705
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:44,410
you and chemicals to operate your own wells, all the things that it takes to run, water

706
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:51,510
and sewer enterprise system, and they put a model together, and most cities contract with

707
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:56,590
engineering firms to do this, and so they gave us a five-year plan and said, based on this

708
00:53:56,590 --> 00:54:04,710
data, we suggest your rates need to be this in fiscal year 24, 25, 26 all the way out.

709
00:54:05,370 --> 00:54:15,330
And what happened is in January 26, those rates that were going to be adopted, there was

710
00:54:15,330 --> 00:54:19,050
an issue, there was issues with the ordinance, the way that it was written, there was written

711
00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:29,530
gallons instead of 1,000 gallons. And so we have not implemented that change. So I told

712
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:34,370
you that in March or so that we are going to hold off on this and bring this back to you

713
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:39,950
towards the end of the fiscal year. Because what has happened is we have an issue to that.

714
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:48,510
That was originally programmed in that model. So we had 453,000 that was supposed to be annual

715
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:56,190
the expenditure going out the door for debt payments, for projects that they expected for

716
00:54:56,190 --> 00:55:01,690
water and sewer projects, about 5.8 million to go out the door, and those projects

717
00:55:02,670 --> 00:55:04,170
never got issued.

718
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:11,090
So we're actually with our CIP projects now going forward, we will be looking to issue revenue

719
00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:15,490
bonds for water sewer as part of this Calway or Spruce Park.

720
00:55:15,490 --> 00:55:24,430
So it's actually within the limits of this previous number, but we haven't issued that $450,000 annual debt payment.

721
00:55:24,850 --> 00:55:30,710
So that's, so because of that, we work hurting by not moving the rates at that point in time.

722
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:38,690
And then the Wildian study said, okay, in fiscal year 27, you need to update your rates to this level.

723
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:44,070
What we're proposing to you tonight is that it's actually a little bit less than what Wilden had showed

724
00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:45,970
with a presented to you before.

725
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:48,290
So I'll walk you through with that looks like.

726
00:55:49,870 --> 00:55:55,570
We did see a 10.68% increase in Fort Worth Water from a wholesale perspective.

727
00:55:56,150 --> 00:56:01,290
So Fort Worth sells many cities in the Metroplex water at a wholesale price.

728
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:05,930
It's different than a retail price based on the volume of water that we buy.

729
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:12,970
And we have set limits, if we go over what we have set as a limit, there's a search

730
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:14,610
charge and that can be pretty expensive.

731
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:19,290
So Kelly is constantly monitoring where we're at from a demand and supply.

732
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:29,920
We do have our own two wells that we can supplement about 30 to 35 percent, three, I think.

733
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:39,340
I thank you, but we can supplement that water as we need to, and then the cost of sewer

734
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:46,300
going out of the city, we send it out into systems, Fort Worth and TRA, and we actually

735
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:59,840
go through the city of Hearst, and we pay Hearst for the TRA line that goes out to the

736
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:17,830
And this is mainly because they have capital replacement projects all over, and so if our system is going through those pipes, those are things that have to get upgraded, also the demand for collecting the sewer, so all those costs go into this.

737
00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:24,710
On the TRA side we're looking at about a three and a half percent increase on that wholesale charge going up.

738
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:30,910
So we look at these as past three rates, so we're talking about it, so it's not a, you're

739
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:34,450
not going to see an 18% increase on your sewer bill.

740
00:57:34,690 --> 00:57:39,510
So for a resident, you're not going to see those numbers, it's calculated different.

741
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:42,470
So that's what I want to show you tonight on how we came up with

742
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:46,260
that.

743
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:52,620
So just to start, when we brought you the budget for the fiscal year 27, the expected revenue

744
00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:59,700
was based off of these rates and so this is 5.896 million in revenues for both water and

745
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:07,560
sewer. Our spending which accounts for all of our wholesale purchases as well as our

746
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:18,420
operations in water and sewer utility was about 6 million so we're actually covering 145,000 out of

747
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:26,500
balance, which is over one and a half, one point, actually one point nine million over your reserve.

748
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,200
So if you have a 90-day reserve that you need to ensure we've got capacity.

749
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,040
And what that can be used for is, you know, paying for CIP projects without having to issue debt.

750
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:40,420
So that's kind of part of our plan going forward.

751
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:42,260
Is to use some of that cash.

752
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:47,300
We also have debt coverage ratios that we have to consider beyond just the 90 days.

753
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:53,600
So, it's not necessarily just keep one and a half million in the bank and spend everything else.

754
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,220
So, we're going to kind of calculate it how we do that.

755
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:09,780
But when we look at the projects that will work prior to more significant utility spending on your CIP plan right now,

756
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,560
it's the booth, Calaway, and the Spruce Park projects.

757
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:22,560
So, there's about $4 million in water sewer funds that would need to be bonded to get those proceeds in.

758
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,740
And that equates to about a $325,000 annual payment on a 20 year.

759
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:34,340
I use the 5% interest, which I think we're closer to 4.5.

760
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:39,560
But just based on the market right now, those interest rates may change.

761
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:51,760
So, 325,000 is more conservative, and so by doing that, the rates that we're proposing will actually put us in a good spot to carry that future.

762
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,220
Jason, that's that 4 million.

763
00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:59,860
After we burn off that, the excess.

764
01:00:00,110 --> 01:00:04,490
That's actually keeping the excess. That's keeping it worth it. That's right. So, okay.

765
01:00:09,980 --> 01:00:19,180
So, the reason we were at this point, we were going to bring water worth in and show you kind of how we're able to look at all this in real time.

766
01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:31,200
So, we can go back to will be in. I have, we've seen everything through will be in. So, they'll actually still help us validate our final ordinance that goes before you over the next 30 days.

767
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,600
But what water worth can do is not only for water and sewer but for streets and drainage,

768
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:44,420
Kelly has the ability to go in and say, okay, I've got a project coming up that we need to address.

769
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,260
Let's put those numbers in.

770
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:50,200
He sees chemical costs real time that are maybe more expensive.

771
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,120
You'll cost obviously you're going up right now through the roof.

772
01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:58,400
So we can plug those numbers in and that shows us where our cash position is.

773
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:07,240
So it layers, your revenues, your capital expenditures and your cash position, all three in one graph.

774
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,580
And so as you change the numbers and the spreadsheet, it populates the graph.

775
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:19,460
So right now, with our current rates, if you don't change your utility rates, you will run out of money and utility fund by 2029.

776
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:28,160
That's hitting a, you're reserved, I mean not running out of complete money, 2031, you hit zero.

777
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,380
So that's if you don't change your rates to a comedy.

778
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,560
Just the current inflation that's increasing.

779
01:01:35,660 --> 01:01:41,800
That's assuming nobody else gives us a bigger than a 3% increase for work than DRA.

780
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:49,040
So, it's a very, very helpful tool for us to be able to play an out-see IP projects.

781
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:54,740
So, before we even score on, we can actually see what the impact of the on our operations.

782
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,840
For both just as a placement of it, the reduction in maintenance cost.

783
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:03,410
Well, that would just be safe.

784
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:06,350
But also it gives us that ability to look years and advance up

785
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,100
to 10 years.

786
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:18,010
Like I said, it's real time, it's active, we can go and manipulate the numbers.

787
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:18,870
Yeah.

788
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:20,290
I'm just going to help myself.

789
01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:23,550
I'm just going to hang out up there for a second.

790
01:02:24,750 --> 01:02:25,010
All right.

791
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:29,450
So, what we'll talk about in a second on the fee, the proposed fee.

792
01:02:29,590 --> 01:02:32,690
Well, I've got a red line fee schedule.

793
01:02:33,010 --> 01:02:39,470
And it'll show you what the current rates are and what the proposed rates are.

794
01:02:40,310 --> 01:02:44,750
So, this is the utility bill example just for a residential three-quarter-inch meter.

795
01:02:44,750 --> 01:02:51,370
So, they're using 8,000 gallons of water, and they're winter average is 5,000 gallons.

796
01:02:52,230 --> 01:03:00,550
Just for everybody's benefit, the way we measure your sewer, is how much water you're using in December, January, February.

797
01:03:01,550 --> 01:03:04,070
And if you're brand new, you move into the city in July.

798
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:08,490
We just look at your average and we cap that at 8,000 gallons.

799
01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:12,830
But we'll wait until you get your 12 months to average that out.

800
01:03:12,830 --> 01:03:20,870
But essentially, you have 5,000 gallons in this scenario, and so today that person would pay

801
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:24,950
$130 a month in their water bill, their utility bill.

802
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:35,250
The water portion is $59,433 drainage is $8,000 in garbage recycling plus sales tax.

803
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:43,510
If you proposed this change, you would go up about $6.95 based on those rates.

804
01:03:44,050 --> 01:03:47,410
That's slightly less than what we'll be in had proposed earlier.

805
01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:56,460
So, let's bring down that piece.

806
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:57,520
What is it?

807
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,740
So, there is a, I've got a, a lot at the bottom.

808
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,560
See the bottom under it says watermouth.

809
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:08,620
So, you have $27.21.

810
01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:15,580
And that is covering our tooth cost of service, what that cost is.

811
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:18,540
And then the volumetric charge comes next.

812
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:26,380
So that first 2000 gallons, based on the rates would be $6.68.

813
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:31,860
It's actually $1.78 per thousand gallons.

814
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:35,300
So you have, you multiply those numbers.

815
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:41,540
I've got an actual chart in the ordinance draft that will show you in a minute that actually

816
01:04:41,540 --> 01:04:42,460
has that breakdown.

817
01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:49,810
But if you go back to what Wildin and Penn showed you, they break that down by chemical

818
01:04:49,810 --> 01:04:55,390
cost, fuel cost, everything that foreworth charges us, then you have your separate pass

819
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:56,250
through rate.

820
01:04:56,530 --> 01:04:57,850
That was a fixed number.

821
01:05:01,930 --> 01:05:07,850
So, just a week later, the base rate is Kelly's time and team for the base mate and that's

822
01:05:07,850 --> 01:05:12,810
we expect to do along with all the chemical tools and all the things that we need to operate

823
01:05:12,810 --> 01:05:14,330
our water system.

824
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:15,790
And fuel the vehicles?

825
01:05:16,610 --> 01:05:17,010
Everything.

826
01:05:18,310 --> 01:05:18,370
Something.

827
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:23,010
It would not include major line replacements.

828
01:05:23,330 --> 01:05:24,130
Because those are CIP.

829
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:29,710
But the expected weeks are covered.

830
01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:33,310
And will there is that service that is accounted for in these numbers?

831
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:33,990
Okay.

832
01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:36,350
So you have existing debt that's out there on the books.

833
01:05:36,350 --> 01:05:42,930
needs to be in that base. That has to be in that base. Okay, okay, so that that's why the city hasn't just continually

834
01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:45,210
issued the debt because

835
01:05:45,210 --> 01:05:50,650
we've been jumped 20% in your waterway, you know, or sewer based on those debt. Like if we had another

836
01:05:50,650 --> 01:05:56,610
450,000 before other debt fell off, that's what we're trying to balance. And I think that's where

837
01:05:57,810 --> 01:05:59,590
the water work will be able to help us.

838
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:15,590
Water work is just basically a water and sewer modeling tool, yes.

839
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:20,090
We're full of all of us are working with them.

840
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:26,910
You see how it goes for streets and other things or streets, which we'll start implementing for street and drainage projects.

841
01:06:30,210 --> 01:06:33,850
But he'll actually be able to show you, like if you said,

842
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:41,870
what if we did instead of this is really comes after about a 7% increase.

843
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:48,370
If you said, well, what if we

844
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,420
did a higher out of money in 2028?

845
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:08,050
use those numbers to show you real time of what those rates would be. So is this what you're going to

846
01:07:08,050 --> 01:07:13,230
present to us as the water rate increase then? Yes, I'll show you. So this was a based on that example,

847
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:18,410
but when we get into the actual B schedule, I've got it, I've got it all broken down. Okay,

848
01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:23,570
are the ordinance the way it's written. So we kind of need to be clear before we adopt this,

849
01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:25,270
sure that you do all of the great things.

850
01:07:27,350 --> 01:07:27,950
So, I hope you have more.

851
01:07:28,090 --> 01:07:29,550
That's one question, so we'll do.

852
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:48,600
Okay? So that kind of just goes into this part of the presentation, which is included because it's just really part of the, what are we, what are we paying for in terms of what is a resident, aye, for a business owner in the rich and hills where they paying for every.

853
01:07:52,030 --> 01:08:01,590
And the typical households of this takes the average house value, which is on the term, a praise of districts values, 240,000.

854
01:08:01,590 --> 01:08:08,190
and it says, what do you pay in city property tax, water, sewer, drainage, feed, garbage,

855
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:11,970
so those are like, that's what they can physically see that they're paying every year.

856
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:21,970
The $336 million number is based off of how much assets we have in the ground and how expensive

857
01:08:21,970 --> 01:08:26,830
they would be to go replace them all today. So if you wanted to rebuild all the roads, the water

858
01:08:26,830 --> 01:08:34,850
the sewer line and the drainage. That's a range, but at 336 to 456 million, you know,

859
01:08:34,990 --> 01:08:41,450
if you were to go do it today. So when you look at that on a useful life, so a street may be 40

860
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:49,010
years, a water line could be 50 sewer depending on if it's PVC, maybe 60 years, drainage depending

861
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:52,890
if it's an open channel, it's concrete line, or RCP.

862
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:57,370
We have like a life schedule for those,

863
01:08:57,770 --> 01:08:59,830
but we're projecting about six and a half million

864
01:08:59,830 --> 01:09:03,960
to keep up with the remote.

865
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,640
The developer comes in in the 1950s and builds a neighborhood.

866
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,300
We got what's called donated assets dedicated to the city.

867
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,600
So they platted this neighborhood and said,

868
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,520
we're going to build the roads as part of this project

869
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,680
or part of this development.

870
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,060
But we're going to dedicate it to the city to own and maintain and

871
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,040
probably didn't get

872
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:31,120
any fees collected at the time to help offset the cost of the exam at road.

873
01:09:31,740 --> 01:09:34,420
And so that's where the property tax and things like that come in.

874
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,740
But a lot of cities weren't looking at 40 years from now.

875
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:44,280
They were just looking at what I need today and that's how we're balancing what our tax rate

876
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,880
and what our lot of water utility rates are.

877
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:55,420
So, in our fiscal year 27 CIP-5 year plan, we have about $2.7 million dollar gap based

878
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:59,760
on what this is showing, what we're proposing for fiscal year 27.

879
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,680
So, we're not saying we're adding this or recommending that you add this to anything

880
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:06,180
right now.

881
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:13,140
We're just showing you the number and translating that to what a household person would

882
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:13,800
have to pay.

883
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:19,740
So we'd have to add an additional $521 per year to a resident's bill.

884
01:10:20,060 --> 01:10:23,240
So remember, they were paying $2,900 right now.

885
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:29,480
We'd have to add $521 to cover that annual replacement cost of all the infrastructure.

886
01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:36,040
This is what it was.

887
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:40,920
This is the current bill, you know, broken down based off of what's are paying in property taxes,

888
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:44,300
water, sewer, drainage, garbage fees, annually.

889
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:53,220
This is where we are with just that bill compared to 19 cities in turn county.

890
01:10:53,700 --> 01:11:00,440
So these are kind of who we look to what we're doing analysis of other cities.

891
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:07,880
Haltum city is that median number, which is kind of right the middle of the graph.

892
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:12,760
Our costs, you know, it's not necessarily our smaller city.

893
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:18,760
We have a smaller tax base, so the tax rate proportionally is what it is.

894
01:11:19,660 --> 01:11:24,180
And we don't have a homestead, a lot of the cities that are below the health of city have homestead

895
01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:25,340
exemptions.

896
01:11:25,940 --> 01:11:32,260
We've got a spreadsheet that has a lot of this broken in and you can see where all the homestead

897
01:11:32,260 --> 01:11:33,840
exemptions come out.

898
01:11:36,450 --> 01:11:42,270
Obviously what all these things pay for, there's four buckets, those are your city services,

899
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:51,230
your wholesale providers, your debt payments, and your capital replacement. Not to mention,

900
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:59,390
there's really a fifth bucket, and that's what this, that difference is, the 5.21.

901
01:12:00,390 --> 01:12:05,990
So right now people are paying for the first floor, but we're not really, we're not funding the 5.

902
01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:16,450
So, this is based off of our annual financial report, just the inventory of infrastructure that we have, just so people can understand.

903
01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:18,610
We've got 44, generally in my

904
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,020
opinion, a lot of drainage, water sewer.

905
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,220
These numbers obviously need refinement.

906
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:35,480
I mentioned it in email to the council that we needed to validate these with our GIS software with half of us.

907
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:37,620
It just gives us the actual numbers.

908
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:51,160
Not only that, but the asset class types, like, is it an 8-inch PVC, is it a 6-inch cast iron, like, what is the material, that would change kind of a life cycle of that material of that segment.

909
01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:59,640
So this was just a kind of show, just big picture. It's not an engineering assessment, so I just want to be real clear about this.

910
01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:07,440
No, but this is a very insightful, very...

911
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:08,780
This is great.

912
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:17,780
I came up with 44.4 and we're missing a few segments. So you're slightly I'm thinking you're a little bit concerned

913
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:31,350
This was just a show kind of how that cost breakdown came out. Like I used start a most recent engineer estimate for a Cecil and how to come up with a prize

914
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:34,150
And we know that and that was low

915
01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:46,180
When we get this next week, I can go further detail, but that was really just the point

916
01:13:46,180 --> 01:13:52,520
was to highlight that from an annual replacement, we're still not really capturing that.

917
01:13:52,820 --> 01:14:00,320
And so to keep utility rates flat and not changing at all, you're not only hurting your

918
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,860
current buckets, but

919
01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:23,670
basically we really need to figure out.

920
01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:28,010
to keep ourselves afloat, to set ourselves on a porch that's maintainable.

921
01:14:28,290 --> 01:14:31,890
We sort of have to come up with it. We have to add that 5.21 in and

922
01:14:31,890 --> 01:14:35,310
basically get to about 3,500 for that typical house.

923
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:39,910
Well, little under. You could, so that was the reason I'm showing you this

924
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:45,910
was to say that. But if you really wanted to fill the gap,

925
01:14:46,050 --> 01:14:49,070
there's another way in that if I can get to that slide.

926
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:50,510
Here we go.

927
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:24,120
We have economic development as the next opportunity. So, by offering economic development and getting community support to potentially do a bond in the future from an economic development perspective instead of just an infrastructure, you have the ability to bring in sales tax.

928
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:34,280
And the goal would be to bring in enough that 2.7 million, which is the current gap in sales tax and say, as a council, you say,

929
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,980
okay, that portion needs to go for CIP.

930
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:41,020
Like what's dedicated, just 2.7 million.

931
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:44,880
So whatever you do, you dedicate it towards,

932
01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:53,860
and that's not putting that burden on the residents.

933
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:02,580
Yeah, and this is how you can't necessarily budget this, right?

934
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:12,710
The other side of that though is, well that's guaranteed, it's also guaranteed,

935
01:16:12,710 --> 01:16:18,910
someone go up, and this is guaranteed to grow, I mean, it's sort of like playing a

936
01:16:18,910 --> 01:16:19,050
market.

937
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:23,630
I mean, if I, as long as I'm hitting three out of five, I've come out of hand.

938
01:16:23,950 --> 01:16:25,810
If I hit five out of five out of five out of five out of five out of five, I'm saying

939
01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:26,650
I gotta be careful.

940
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:37,570
So, this is just kind of a foreshadowing of other discussions to have as we go.

941
01:16:38,970 --> 01:16:44,290
but I just I didn't want to make it a doom and gloom it's like this was just it's actually

942
01:16:44,290 --> 01:16:49,930
we're in pretty good shape compared to other cities around us like really are. We look at

943
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:56,750
other cities that are their number might be 25 to 40 million dollars in that they're just not

944
01:16:56,750 --> 01:17:03,870
budgeting because they've got okay they've kept the race super low and now they need and we

945
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:07,810
this also doesn't account for all the federal grants and stuff that's been

946
01:17:07,810 --> 01:17:13,130
come true. We still got a pair of 20, 30% of those or 50% of those, whatever

947
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:20,250
that is. That's what's helping us in 20, 70s, the Terncati Bones.

948
01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:24,750
Yeah, that excellent job. Well done there.

949
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:39,700
So how much of us, how much of us slower is going to, the TR, AR, the TR, the estimate is about third.

950
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:49,560
We got a total of three out of four lines, TR is like a smaller amount, not necessarily, they're all pretty similar.

951
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,280
So it's four more than TR, and we'll do it one more time.

952
01:17:54,460 --> 01:17:55,780
Two more words one TR.

953
01:17:55,780 --> 01:17:56,680
Oh, two more.

954
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,440
So, two thirds of our waste goes to Fort Worth directly,

955
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,620
and the third goes to TRA.

956
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:06,180
Yeah, because one is an 18% and one is a 3%

957
01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:12,160
because they'll, wow, they can change.

958
01:18:12,980 --> 01:18:14,880
We have been working with different products

959
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,740
to lower our BOD and TSS, which is numbers

960
01:18:18,740 --> 01:18:22,100
a measure in wastewater and that depicts on the price.

961
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,180
We have already seen significant drops in our BOD

962
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:26,720
just from the last three months.

963
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:35,720
more pre-treating is we're trying every angle here so he's sampling it before

964
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:41,100
TRA does that way we understand kind of where we're at with those on high

965
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:46,480
OD numbers make it address things before it happens because you get

966
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:54,870
in voice on this to be significant so also you know when you drive around town

967
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:58,750
you look at all the brown yards now you know there's a few green ones out there

968
01:18:58,750 --> 01:19:05,450
We're partially green, you know, it's just, but some of the people can't afford water very much also.

969
01:19:06,030 --> 01:19:15,690
So do we have anything in place that maybe keeps those rates a little lower for the minimum, minimal type users, so they just don't pay quite as much outside of it.

970
01:19:15,710 --> 01:19:19,390
Because they're not going to start watering, if we know where the rates are, they're not.

971
01:19:20,190 --> 01:19:23,590
I mean, it's what it is, that's what we have.

972
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:23,990
Yeah.

973
01:19:24,450 --> 01:19:31,690
Well, I mean, we are actually required from a conservation perspective to put in place measures

974
01:19:31,690 --> 01:19:35,990
that mimic four words because we buy water from them.

975
01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:36,250
Okay.

976
01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:40,150
We're required and you have ordinances that are already in place to say you can only water two

977
01:19:40,150 --> 01:19:41,410
days a week from

978
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:44,320
6 p.m.

979
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:45,580
to 10 a.m.

980
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:46,200
Two zones.

981
01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:53,520
Yeah, you got two days yourself and then city public spaces have two days a week of water.

982
01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:58,320
From an enforcement standpoint, I'll just say that I don't think that's something that our

983
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:02,600
enforcement has been active on in terms of addressing.

984
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:08,340
We have the ability to see when people are using more water though, through our partners.

985
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:14,480
So there's things that Council can put in place to make sure that we're protecting that

986
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:19,480
conservation, because we could end up getting potentially fine from Fort Worth if we're

987
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:19,860
in violation.

988
01:20:19,860 --> 01:20:24,300
Yeah, who was made it, we had to send it to the court in a monthly...

989
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:32,130
Yeah, I've got a friend, he had a water bill that was well over a thousand dollars

990
01:20:32,130 --> 01:20:37,450
and he watered off hours, he got three, eight hundred dollar funds for the off hours.

991
01:20:39,390 --> 01:20:41,210
Because they can see with iron water.

992
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:43,870
So I know for worth could do that to this city.

993
01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:51,500
I've said somewhat jumping ahead, but talking about water rates.

994
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:55,720
I really think that we need to add a higher tier rate.

995
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,900
I think we currently go about 30,000, and it's like we were told we were going to jump

996
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:02,320
that up to promote conservation.

997
01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:11,140
I think we need to find a tier above that to promote solid conservation, if somebody said

998
01:21:11,140 --> 01:21:16,320
to bring like a data center in here, or a golf course, so that they're paying for the amount

999
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,780
of water they use that are rate that is commensurate with the really heavy users.

1000
01:21:20,780 --> 01:21:28,000
That we don't rely on primarily their violators were coming from the commercial side it was I could hear you

1001
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:35,040
Kelly would you for worth that's where there was in most of their violations was from the commercial side it was so much the residents

1002
01:21:39,250 --> 01:21:41,650
You all have anything else

1003
01:21:41,650 --> 01:21:44,190
So you're going to bring us back with water for you

1004
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:49,090
Yeah, I've got another on the fee schedule. I should show you the breakdown of those rates

1005
01:21:49,090 --> 01:21:51,150
That's a good line, that way you can see them.

1006
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:54,830
So I have to turn off October 12th as you would last one or two.

1007
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:58,520
All right.

1008
01:21:59,200 --> 01:21:59,740
Thanks, Kelly.

1009
01:22:00,460 --> 01:22:00,800
Thank you.

1010
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:02,300
All right.

1011
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:06,100
Item 1H is the discussion of the draft fee schedule amendments.

1012
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,520
Presentation shows selected current and proposed amounts, including permit.

1013
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:16,860
Compliance, fire, animal, recreation, and utility impact fees.

1014
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:18,820
Jason, if you'll please turn it up.

1015
01:22:18,820 --> 01:22:24,540
So I'm just going to go straight and show you the current and the proposed.

1016
01:22:24,740 --> 01:22:29,800
So these are anything that's got a few that's been proposed.

1017
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:59,910
To be changed, so we're just basically showing you the red lines. Right now, you know, if it stopped me, if you want me to specifically talk about any one of these, but what staff is looking to do is how much time are we spending, or are we sending things when we get a commercial fence permit, sometimes bureau of air toss is involved, because it's not just a separate, then I guess submitting a fence. There's other things involved. We're just trying to make sure we're covering the cost for what it takes to review those.

1018
01:23:01,850 --> 01:23:07,410
residential roofs. We used to require that you came in and pay 50 dollars. We're

1019
01:23:07,410 --> 01:23:11,530
recommended that we don't have a fee for that. Just encourage people. They

1020
01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:16,330
want to replace the roof, a higher reputable contractor. That's bonded and

1021
01:23:16,330 --> 01:23:20,430
insured. We don't do inspections. So there's not really a technical inspection.

1022
01:23:21,190 --> 01:23:24,450
That beer of air toss doesn't move anyway. So why are we charging it for

1023
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:28,430
it? It was really to count how many layers they were going to pull on there.

1024
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:30,970
You're always supposed to be writing layers of shingles.

1025
01:23:32,890 --> 01:23:34,770
So that's being proposed.

1026
01:23:36,350 --> 01:23:37,070
Siding replacement.

1027
01:23:37,530 --> 01:23:39,670
We see a lot of those come in.

1028
01:23:39,850 --> 01:23:45,090
And sometimes, you know, putting vinyl versus cementitious fiberboard.

1029
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:49,290
That can change some of the structural integrity of the building.

1030
01:23:50,490 --> 01:23:51,350
Temporary COs.

1031
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:55,810
We get a lot of questions about temporary COs for the business side where they want to come in.

1032
01:23:55,810 --> 01:24:00,810
do some work or put equipment in before they get a final C.O.

1033
01:24:01,670 --> 01:24:09,490
That makes chief brimley and others have to go in and do kind of two inspections and set out as we were in.

1034
01:24:09,650 --> 01:24:10,410
It's a pain.

1035
01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:13,690
I've been living here one of my business.

1036
01:24:14,090 --> 01:24:15,090
Don't have that stuff.

1037
01:24:16,290 --> 01:24:20,570
So when someone comes in to apply for a short term rental,

1038
01:24:21,850 --> 01:24:29,150
Now we've got a third party, we've also got more time enforcement that monitors those annually for inspections.

1039
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:32,770
But that's not ones that are here.

1040
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:36,570
Yeah, this would be as if there's so many coming in that's going to initiate that.

1041
01:24:37,190 --> 01:24:40,490
So this is an initial, so what happens to yearly?

1042
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:41,890
Is it the same fee?

1043
01:24:42,130 --> 01:24:43,110
No, it's different fee.

1044
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:44,570
So that's not changed.

1045
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:47,990
This is the first time coming in, right?

1046
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:54,190
The high grass and weeds, so this is just to kind of cover a cost for abatement.

1047
01:24:54,410 --> 01:24:57,950
They cost us $200 or so, since somebody ought to get a moey yard.

1048
01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:03,850
And we're usually not getting that fee to cover them with that cost as nowadays.

1049
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:10,150
And so, some of the code enforcement fees, that's why it's just covering that cost.

1050
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:21,020
So, we hadn't charged for a viral arm system installation fee, we were having more and more

1051
01:25:21,020 --> 01:25:24,040
people do those type of projects.

1052
01:25:24,380 --> 01:25:27,100
So, you see a $70 fee there.

1053
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:29,760
And then we get into the parkside.

1054
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:35,220
Eric, I may ask you where Andrew to come up if you have any questions, but they're proposing

1055
01:25:35,220 --> 01:25:36,480
some different structures.

1056
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:41,860
I think just based off of supply and demand and what they're seeing over the years and experience

1057
01:25:41,860 --> 01:25:46,880
with some of the different rentals to make it more accessible for, you know, people

1058
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,940
to throw a birthday party out of a billion of heart.

1059
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:56,600
This is a big one, and I think this is one I wanted to make sure that the residents

1060
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,940
were aware of that it's not anything to do with any of our residents or businesses

1061
01:26:01,940 --> 01:26:03,200
that are after today.

1062
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:08,580
What happens on the impact fees is if a new development, like Richland Crossing or

1063
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:14,520
acres landing, something like that were to come in and one of the new subdivision or a new home

1064
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,960
on a vacant piece of land.

1065
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:22,880
The city of Fort Worth charges in practice because you're impacting the regional system.

1066
01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:30,040
Their fees get sent to us so when we buy a meter and have to add it to the account, Fort Worth

1067
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,120
charges us $2900.

1068
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,180
right now we can't cover the cost of that.

1069
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,680
So we're basically subsidizing the difference.

1070
01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:43,480
So you can see that it's based off the size of the water meter.

1071
01:26:44,580 --> 01:26:49,100
When you get into, excuse me, two inches in larger.

1072
01:26:49,340 --> 01:26:52,120
I mean, the feed schedule goes up to 10 inches.

1073
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,520
We're talking about $500,000.

1074
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:56,000
Yes.

1075
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:56,840
We

1076
01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:08,810
get into this in my voice, sorry.

1077
01:27:11,210 --> 01:27:15,590
So Jason, the other one was water and wastewater.

1078
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:18,710
So each one is going to be charged with that amount,

1079
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:25,050
or where we're talking, like say a three quarter inch beta.

1080
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:27,020
It's just a wire, it's just one.

1081
01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:30,930
So they're okay, okay, so water is one there.

1082
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:32,170
Yeah, okay.

1083
01:27:34,220 --> 01:27:38,100
Yeah, you would not be paying 28,000 for a one-inch water meter

1084
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:41,700
Do we just be the 14 that covers your water and waste water?

1085
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:42,100
Okay,

1086
01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:49,480
it's a two-inch meter is 46,000 dollars

1087
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:53,920
Now that you'll typically see that on a luck in apartment complex or

1088
01:27:54,640 --> 01:28:00,620
Yeah, I don't home. Yeah, it's a series of four and then what they do is if they don't want to do it that way

1089
01:28:01,340 --> 01:28:03,680
Well a lot of times they will no sub-meter

1090
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:05,940
Yeah, and then

1091
01:28:05,940 --> 01:28:11,480
you end up with smaller individual meters going to those units, but that's actually pretty

1092
01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:12,000
typical.

1093
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:17,840
Yeah, it's just gone up over the years I hadn't seen rates like this in a while, so based

1094
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,340
on this we haven't touched it, even been close, okay good.

1095
01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:30,560
Well while they store a covering, we could have something on Baker, sooner or later, that this

1096
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:36,040
definitely applied to so just of any residents watching this go on. We're not going to

1097
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,960
get any to be other developments. Well, there's something that could be coming. It hasn't,

1098
01:28:41,740 --> 01:28:45,020
so I don't want to say it is, but it couldn't be coming over there, I'll make her.

1099
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:50,060
But now, wouldn't Baker be a six inch line so that you could also feed a fire in the back side.

1100
01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:57,980
And then you wouldn't have that same impact for you. Would you? Well, it's curious, I don't know.

1101
01:28:57,980 --> 01:29:04,040
Yeah, if you're doing it like a loop through the front of a parking complex, we're going to go in.

1102
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:10,080
Yeah, they still have a separate meter that it could be a 4 inch, like they would likely do.

1103
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:16,540
If it's a 300 units or something, they're going to do a 4 inch meter and then they'll sum meter beyond that.

1104
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,420
Okay, and that's all private. We don't touch the sum meters.

1105
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:25,540
Sometimes, some cases, they may do 3 2 inch because it's cheaper than 6 inch meter.

1106
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:28,840
But it doesn't necessarily have to do with the fire loop.

1107
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,080
That's just an redundant line that would go into keep the pressure if you needed.

1108
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:34,960
The fire is a question.

1109
01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:39,920
This is the tap off to the... To the...

1110
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:40,200
To the... To the... To the...

1111
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:40,700
The fire...

1112
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:42,480
Okay.

1113
01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:52,170
And that's, by the way, this is something that, from an economic development standpoint,

1114
01:29:52,730 --> 01:29:54,230
we can't wave in pathways.

1115
01:29:54,410 --> 01:29:57,490
But legally, now you can through a neighborhood empowerment zone.

1116
01:29:57,490 --> 01:29:59,850
So there's the first thing you could do to it.

1117
01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:14,650
If you look at the number and think, oh, that's going to deter folks. There's ways that we can still offset other costs. It's not going to deter them.

1118
01:30:14,650 --> 01:30:18,650
I'm not saying that should be part of their whole year's part of it.

1119
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:19,270
Yeah.

1120
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:27,960
Okay, here's the residential water rates. So the red line, so you can see the current

1121
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:35,000
3-quarter inch base charge. So this is the top line. We'll go up to 27.

1122
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:42,000
There's a flat charge for the first 2,000 gallons that's going up six cents.

1123
01:30:45,060 --> 01:30:50,340
These basically stay the same, but the past three rate has gone up.

1124
01:30:50,460 --> 01:30:52,820
That was based off of wild ends analysis.

1125
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:03,440
On the sewer side, it actually goes down on the monthly base charge.

1126
01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:11,080
But the way the volumetric rates, it ends up coming out, if you're over 2,000 gallons, it comes

1127
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,360
up a little bit higher from $3 up to $3.77.

1128
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:24,540
The way that it's in the ordinance today reads per gallon, and it's per thousands.

1129
01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:27,800
So like this is showing what it's intended to be.

1130
01:31:28,180 --> 01:31:31,740
Yeah, what else I had, how would it actually come up?

1131
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:37,580
So you also have the commercial charges, and you see that,

1132
01:31:37,660 --> 01:31:39,620
it's somewhat goes down on the sewer side.

1133
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,420
First of all, water rates, it goes up,

1134
01:31:52,890 --> 01:31:53,070
it goes up.

1135
01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:53,830
That's not pretty small.

1136
01:31:54,150 --> 01:31:56,450
But these are really tiny, incredible.

1137
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:58,210
Yeah, that's why I wanted to show you earlier

1138
01:31:58,210 --> 01:31:59,910
that kind of a monthly bill comparison,

1139
01:32:01,570 --> 01:32:02,670
because depending on where

1140
01:32:02,670 --> 01:32:07,970
what threshold you're in and that's going to change, you know, what your consumption is

1141
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:11,970
for that amount based on two or a year you're using very much water, it's pretty good.

1142
01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:17,970
But based on the percentages that we were hearing from what we're getting past rights, these are...

1143
01:32:17,970 --> 01:32:19,170
Yeah, that's not...

1144
01:32:19,170 --> 01:32:22,310
This is a whole lot less impactful than what I'm thinking of.

1145
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:24,870
I mean, I think it's about a 6% or a 60%.

1146
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:25,950
Yeah, you have to say something.

1147
01:32:26,630 --> 01:32:26,810
Yeah.

1148
01:32:27,930 --> 01:32:28,030
Yeah.

1149
01:32:28,030 --> 01:32:35,370
And that's because we didn't do one before, like if we had done a 3% last year, or in January,

1150
01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:40,590
you'd only be looking at about 3% now. So that's one of the reasons.

1151
01:32:43,480 --> 01:32:48,120
These are some things Vicki mentioned earlier in terms of utility account deposits,

1152
01:32:48,820 --> 01:32:54,380
where we haven't had deposits for the ones that say not listed, but then just increasing

1153
01:32:56,180 --> 01:33:04,060
Reactivation fees, loader deposits, this is going up kind of you can also come in to set up a residential account.

1154
01:33:04,620 --> 01:33:08,020
You pay $75 to set that up.

1155
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,740
If it's a tenant, sometimes we have a hard time collecting.

1156
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:16,500
If it's a tenant, maybe it's just like a motor apartment deposit.

1157
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:23,140
These are a little bit unique in the fact that if they are individually metered, we recall apartments.

1158
01:33:23,140 --> 01:33:26,620
anything for units or more, or actually two in

1159
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,620
the big six, and it's worth two or more units

1160
01:33:32,620 --> 01:33:41,120
are on a property, so don't think of it as like a live in the Calaway, right, apartments, some

1161
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:45,300
of the other housing types that we had in town following that.

1162
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:56,620
If the state goes through with the ADU code, if we get the ADUs, they would fit it to the system.

1163
01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:01,770
The irrigation only account the positive,

1164
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:08,400
and then commercial deposits like a based on the meter size.

1165
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:16,300
And this is where I think we're talking about data centers and figuring out

1166
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:19,720
the positive.

1167
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,500
What actually be pretty significant based off what the projections are.

1168
01:34:26,380 --> 01:34:34,700
And does this address the utility meter, you know, we got somebody out there doing the roadwork and they look a meter up to the fire hydrant?

1169
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:40,560
Yes. Okay. We have that in the right here. Okay.

1170
01:34:42,780 --> 01:34:50,620
So fire hydrant deposit right now. We don't charge for that. Really?

1171
01:34:51,540 --> 01:34:58,020
Okay, and Vicki's actually the one that brought this up, I said, you know, I can't believe y'all, y'all, I've been trying to change it.

1172
01:34:58,140 --> 01:35:02,140
And if they don't read it, you know, we're charging them when they bring the meter in and they show us what

1173
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:09,910
if I call you the water, but if there's no food.

1174
01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:22,570
Yeah, no read, they could use a thousand dollars worth of water too.

1175
01:35:22,970 --> 01:35:28,150
Yeah. So, but if it does get red, then they're going to have to pay the full amount anyway.

1176
01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:31,430
We just got a bad luck on the market.

1177
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:31,730
Absolutely.

1178
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:33,870
And something has to happen.

1179
01:35:37,450 --> 01:35:37,650
Okay.

1180
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:40,110
So that was, that you're all the changes there.

1181
01:35:40,510 --> 01:35:42,570
So you want me to go back to your talk.

1182
01:35:46,290 --> 01:35:50,850
I would have, how is it that we don't have on a cross the board?

1183
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:53,990
One or two percent raise on all of our rates.

1184
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:57,430
Because you know, inflation's up 4.6%

1185
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:59,350
Some of our stuff is up 80%.

1186
01:36:01,290 --> 01:36:04,330
I would have, we weren't, we haven't been.

1187
01:36:04,330 --> 01:36:09,870
over charge I don't think so to break even I would expect we need an inflation increase across the

1188
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:16,050
board for our contracts or what would be our very toss and half as I see it's been flat

1189
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:20,970
and those are just passed through costs so they're you're not seeing what building and building

1190
01:36:20,970 --> 01:36:28,550
permits and playing review costs so we're also seeing the case load good down and so that's why

1191
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:38,150
Okay, it's a matter of kind of service to me and we're saying from the true cost. Are we charging for credit card payments?

1192
01:36:39,890 --> 01:36:40,650
That's about

1193
01:36:42,190 --> 01:36:46,420
We go back right there. No, there were some of the CACH

1194
01:36:48,380 --> 01:36:53,640
That's the retired. I don't think you do you know do we charge the person?

1195
01:37:00,540 --> 01:37:02,950
I can I can tell your court is and I can tell you the link is

1196
01:37:04,510 --> 01:37:05,970
Yeah, North Virgin Hills.

1197
01:37:06,190 --> 01:37:08,830
We're going to take you out and look at adding that as well in here.

1198
01:37:09,190 --> 01:37:11,050
Because we have to pay for it.

1199
01:37:11,610 --> 01:37:14,410
So that, when we raise the rate enough to cover for everybody,

1200
01:37:15,490 --> 01:37:16,690
it could be in there.

1201
01:37:17,130 --> 01:37:18,290
Because it's in a red line.

1202
01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:18,510
Sure.

1203
01:37:18,810 --> 01:37:19,650
It's in a slide.

1204
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:21,070
I don't know.

1205
01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:22,050
I don't know.

1206
01:37:22,570 --> 01:37:22,970
Okay.

1207
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:26,210
North Virgin Hills just did it for all of them.

1208
01:37:26,350 --> 01:37:26,670
All of them.

1209
01:37:26,850 --> 01:37:27,450
You pay anything.

1210
01:37:28,050 --> 01:37:29,530
And they're sitting with the credit card.

1211
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:43,750
We need to do a registration, so I believe it's still a challenge.

1212
01:37:58,610 --> 01:38:06,990
Well actually, the cost to process a check is going to be more than it would be for the fees for the fee for the credit card.

1213
01:38:06,990 --> 01:38:09,550
The credit card. So

1214
01:38:13,170 --> 01:38:13,970
Pardon me

1215
01:38:13,970 --> 01:38:16,150
Yeah, right, let's count our blessings

1216
01:38:18,410 --> 01:38:18,810
That

1217
01:38:26,110 --> 01:38:30,010
list is shortly expected. Thank you

1218
01:38:30,010 --> 01:38:31,890
And sign all I think what do you want to see?

1219
01:38:33,630 --> 01:38:37,090
For the final ordinance. What do you want to see

1220
01:38:37,090 --> 01:38:41,690
Before it's on your agenda for approval or do you want us to go ahead and put it as a new business?

1221
01:38:41,690 --> 01:38:50,050
I know in October we would have it finalized as an ordinance, the fee schedule, the utility rates

1222
01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:56,050
everything at once, is there anything else that we need to prepare or do another workshop

1223
01:39:00,030 --> 01:39:00,570
or...

1224
01:39:00,570 --> 01:39:01,470
Now we just...

1225
01:39:01,470 --> 01:39:08,690
I think we need to work on marketing this out to our resident base and this is pretty much

1226
01:39:08,690 --> 01:39:14,510
it's going to be. So if we market this out, we're not, we're not going to get seriously

1227
01:39:14,510 --> 01:39:15,290
bent.

1228
01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:25,140
So a reconnect fee is only $40. So we have to go out and spend the time to do it,

1229
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:33,400
and it's only $40. So that's unchanged on the very bottom. Yeah, Kelly is a, when you go out and

1230
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,340
reconnect meter, what is that, the time?

1231
01:39:39,670 --> 01:39:43,090
When Terry White gives you the list of the cutoffs or the

1232
01:39:43,090 --> 01:39:48,710
connects. How long does that take the guys to go out? Same day. So on cut days we'll spend the

1233
01:39:48,710 --> 01:39:52,990
first half of the day doing the cuts second half. We've turned it water back for the moment.

1234
01:39:53,110 --> 01:39:55,870
Who does that cover the time? Is that cover our boss?

1235
01:39:56,110 --> 01:39:58,530
Four in all. Because that's pretty cheap.

1236
01:39:59,290 --> 01:40:04,750
So really cheap. It depends on we look at it and actually main hours to turn someone's water on it.

1237
01:40:05,390 --> 01:40:07,830
Five seconds. Okay. So you're just locking it?

1238
01:40:08,510 --> 01:40:10,810
When we go to cut it off, they lock it.

1239
01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:21,370
Okay, my problem is for us to why was this cut off in the first place because now it's going to tell me that

1240
01:40:22,130 --> 01:40:26,110
You know this person is going to go back into the into the other bill of not paying

1241
01:40:29,470 --> 01:40:33,890
They're gonna get to 10% on top of that 40 dollars. Yeah, so

1242
01:40:35,230 --> 01:40:39,610
So they should be some sort of increase on that on that deposit product where

1243
01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:59,540
We've got people that wanted to break either a water man, a valves, and we added that to our schedule.

1244
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,540
If we have to go out and replace that 300-dollar valve, do they get to pay for it?

1245
01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:10,260
We absorb it. I do not believe so in the past. We've even absorbed it in the past.

1246
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:10,760
Yeah.

1247
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:17,810
So there is a tampering fee that gets charged if they tamper with the meter.

1248
01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:21,810
So there is a fee for that. There's the late penalty fee.

1249
01:41:22,030 --> 01:41:25,050
Some of these looks like so just real quick.

1250
01:41:25,210 --> 01:41:29,390
We do have a fire hydrant deposit. It's only like $1,200 though.

1251
01:41:29,790 --> 01:41:32,830
It does not pay for the cost of the meter itself.

1252
01:41:32,830 --> 01:41:35,970
the meter itself is over on the $2,500.

1253
01:41:36,630 --> 01:41:37,010
Yeah, they're not.

1254
01:41:37,130 --> 01:41:40,230
So that's why we were recommending going to $3,000.

1255
01:41:41,230 --> 01:41:42,650
But yeah, we should have a tampering fee

1256
01:41:42,650 --> 01:41:44,950
if they go out and try to turn their water back on.

1257
01:41:45,850 --> 01:41:48,750
And actually, if we go out and they have to turn their water

1258
01:41:48,750 --> 01:41:50,230
back on, there's a piece for that, too.

1259
01:41:50,630 --> 01:41:53,010
Now, this is when they break the valve.

1260
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:56,090
And we've had during snowing again,

1261
01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:57,430
and we had like eight of them get broken.

1262
01:42:01,820 --> 01:42:04,700
Yeah, I think that there's a, if there's a,

1263
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:10,880
break to the equipment itself that they are charged to replace the equipment, but I can verify that

1264
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,180
Terry as well.

1265
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:17,840
I thought there was a charge for that because now that the new equipment even, I think

1266
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:24,560
time this was talking about, when you go a lot more goals in there and break it, somebody has to pay for it.

1267
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:28,100
Yeah, and I think you're not seeing it here because we're not performing a change to that.

1268
01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:29,780
I think we are already charging.

1269
01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:37,430
I guess I missed it. How much are you going to church me if I turn the meter myself?

1270
01:42:39,630 --> 01:42:41,070
It's a tampering fee.

1271
01:42:43,190 --> 01:42:45,430
I mean, it could be.

1272
01:42:51,670 --> 01:42:56,730
No, that's different than if you like if we come and cut you off and you turn it back on that's what

1273
01:42:56,730 --> 01:43:01,250
thing. If you need to turn it off because you have a leak, that's completely something different.

1274
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:05,910
You're not going to get charged if the water's running in the house in the middle of the night.

1275
01:43:07,130 --> 01:43:07,490
Okay.

1276
01:43:07,690 --> 01:43:08,410
You get it.

1277
01:43:09,170 --> 01:43:10,830
I think this was John's point.

1278
01:43:11,070 --> 01:43:12,730
Now, my point is when they break it.

1279
01:43:12,730 --> 01:43:15,030
Now, if you break it while you're trying to turn it off, that's the difference.

1280
01:43:15,130 --> 01:43:15,910
That was my point.

1281
01:43:16,730 --> 01:43:18,430
It's not the guy that shuts it off.

1282
01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:20,750
It's the guy that breaks it when they're trying to shut it off.

1283
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:21,790
They're doing what they're doing.

1284
01:43:21,790 --> 01:43:22,390
They're doing what they're doing.

1285
01:43:22,450 --> 01:43:22,830
They're doing what they're doing.

1286
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:23,230
They're doing what they're doing.

1287
01:43:24,690 --> 01:43:25,490
Oh, so.

1288
01:43:26,910 --> 01:43:27,250
Yeah.

1289
01:43:27,250 --> 01:43:27,490
That's all.

1290
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:31,070
Yeah.

1291
01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:31,150
Right.

1292
01:43:31,850 --> 01:43:32,010
Yeah.

1293
01:43:32,110 --> 01:43:33,790
That's good.

1294
01:43:35,050 --> 01:43:36,930
Appreciate that.

1295
01:43:37,610 --> 01:43:37,850
OK.

1296
01:43:38,370 --> 01:43:40,630
Can I bring it back to the credit card piece?

1297
01:43:41,150 --> 01:43:46,590
I just, probably, is Council giving direction to staff to bring us something

1298
01:43:46,590 --> 01:43:47,710
about credit card piece.

1299
01:43:51,490 --> 01:43:52,630
I'm okay with it.

1300
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:53,390
Perfect.

1301
01:43:53,610 --> 01:43:55,410
Because we want to pay for it anyway.

1302
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:56,250
Yeah.

1303
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:59,330
I'll go back and make sure we're not already doing that.

1304
01:43:59,490 --> 01:43:59,930
OK.

1305
01:43:59,930 --> 01:44:02,350
I think it's a link.

1306
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:04,770
It could be.

1307
01:44:04,970 --> 01:44:08,150
I know a lot of cities, so the law changed a few years ago.

1308
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:13,190
You used to not be able to charge a convenience fee when it came up and paid you face-to-face.

1309
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:16,290
That was just a costume business, but the law did change.

1310
01:44:16,450 --> 01:44:18,530
We're now you can charge that fee.

1311
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:21,010
It used to only be for like online payments.

1312
01:44:21,610 --> 01:44:22,390
But that's changed.

1313
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:26,170
I don't know, maybe the law is legislative for two sessions ago.

1314
01:44:26,170 --> 01:44:31,810
So now then it is I don't know if you've updated your fees to include that so I'd have to

1315
01:44:31,810 --> 01:44:35,210
just go back and check but if you're directing us to do that we can definitely

1316
01:44:35,210 --> 01:44:40,050
look at that and see what that means to be I think most most all cities around us

1317
01:44:40,050 --> 01:44:46,070
starts like 3% I think that should be on our fees schedule and then in most cities

1318
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:50,350
charge it for everything any time you use a credit card no matter if it's at the library

1319
01:44:50,350 --> 01:44:51,250
Let's try it!

1320
01:44:51,310 --> 01:44:52,630
You know, please, whatever.

1321
01:44:53,110 --> 01:44:53,550
And let's try it.

1322
01:44:53,550 --> 01:44:54,110
And let's put it in a front line.

1323
01:44:54,110 --> 01:44:57,210
Let's set it over to spill sort of off force, you know, air can, some air can, everything

1324
01:44:57,210 --> 01:44:57,770
up.

1325
01:44:58,670 --> 01:44:58,870
Okay.

1326
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:08,160
So, yeah, thanks. I think that as the council was saying this, we should have, yes, library credit card fees should not be paid by the city. Correct.

1327
01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:14,340
All right, but I don't have one. Why?

1328
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:26,700
out of one eye is an update on the fiscal year 2026 year in process following adoption of the fiscal year 2027 budget.

1329
01:45:27,540 --> 01:45:29,220
The office will be real quick, Mayor.

1330
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:41,340
So we are finalizing our 26 budget projections as we go finalized the last few weeks of the fiscal year.

1331
01:45:41,340 --> 01:45:47,880
And if there are any changes on the expenditure side, in terms of, like we're going to be over on the specific line,

1332
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,580
what we had originally budgeted, we bring that back to you as an amendment.

1333
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,880
If it's just that we know the revenues are going to be off because of the sales tax,

1334
01:45:56,380 --> 01:45:58,440
that was short from

1335
01:46:00,970 --> 01:46:04,850
the business that left, but on the expenditure side,

1336
01:46:05,490 --> 01:46:08,710
what you're doing on the budget when you approve the budget is you're appropriating,

1337
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:12,840
and this long as we're not going over.

1338
01:46:14,380 --> 01:46:22,600
And so we don't technically have to bring back a budget amendment to you, unless by ordinance, unless it is a mending the appropriations.

1339
01:46:27,170 --> 01:46:38,950
Put it on here just as it heads up, because I don't know if I think in years past, you've always done it's like a, we're revising the fiscal year that we're finishing up, but we don't finish it for

1340
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:42,720
another two year in October,

1341
01:46:45,580 --> 01:46:48,780
but I just wanted to give you a heads up of why that wasn't included.

1342
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:53,970
We'll verify that and bring that back if needed.

1343
01:47:05,580 --> 01:47:06,700
You all have any fingers?

1344
01:47:07,420 --> 01:47:07,700
No, no, no.

1345
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,400
All right.

1346
01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:13,020
We'll move on.

1347
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,580
There are no further work action discussion items.

1348
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:25,980
Council will now convene into executive session under the applicable exceptions listed in the post of the agenda, including sections 5.5.

1349
01:47:25,980 --> 01:47:37,100
0.071, 5.1.072, and 5.1.087 of the Texas government code to discuss item 2A, economic

1350
01:47:37,100 --> 01:47:43,920
development project, 26-022, or 72-94, blend you drive.

1351
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,520
I'll get a motion if you want to take it to the go under objective.

1352
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,280
We set second, all right, motion in second, five,

1353
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,920
skier, and wave it, time is 7.22.

1354
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:56,480
And you know,

1355
01:47:59,190 --> 01:48:01,910
you need to move it, all in favor?

1356
01:48:03,330 --> 01:48:04,790
All right, I'm going to pose

1357
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:10,190
for a seizure.

1358
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:11,390
Got it.

1359
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:15,400
I've learned that in a little bit too,

1360
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:16,980
there's a reason for it.

1361
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:21,180
Get the move, folks.

1362
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:57,590
All right,

1363
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:53,010
the City Council is convened and reconvened by open session. The time is 749, no action was taken in executive session and no action is requested at this time. We lost the audience, didn't we?

1364
02:13:54,810 --> 02:14:02,530
All right, that concludes the work session. We're now going to move into the regular session. Welcome everyone.

1365
02:14:02,530 --> 02:14:08,250
Now, call to order the original Hill City Council regular meeting for September 14th,

1366
02:14:09,570 --> 02:14:14,830
The time is 7.50 p.m., thanks to everyone joining us in person in all lines.

1367
02:14:17,260 --> 02:14:22,180
Please stand for the invocation, live by Councilman Malone, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance

1368
02:14:22,180 --> 02:14:24,720
to the United States and Texas Flag.

1369
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:34,570
But as a Lord God, since there's not much of the beat left, I want to pray for something that's all over my mind.

1370
02:14:35,870 --> 02:14:42,330
Lord bringing the goal whether or ever all wanting it, we're only eating it, and it's helps our staff,

1371
02:14:42,650 --> 02:14:44,030
or when it's a little cooler.

1372
02:14:44,350 --> 02:14:49,650
They're pleasing firefighters, code enforcement, out-of-control, that are out there every day.

1373
02:14:49,650 --> 02:14:59,970
and us leaving to work and coming home and all that, so God we know you're a control of that, as you're a control of everything, so I won't let you.

1374
02:15:39,410 --> 02:15:48,150
Presentation tonight, so we'll move on to item 7, citizen comments, this is the year. Let's speak in order not to be grateful.

1375
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:53,470
This is in comments.

1376
02:15:55,530 --> 02:16:03,390
Under the Texas Open Meetings Act, the council may not deliver it or take action on a subject that is not posted on tonight's agenda.

1377
02:16:03,390 --> 02:16:11,750
We may provide factual information, state existing city policy, or request that an item be placed on a future agenda when appropriate.

1378
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:15,350
All right, so we have two cards tonight.

1379
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:16,490
Jeannie Clark.

1380
02:16:16,650 --> 02:16:19,010
We'd like to come up and tell us your name and address.

1381
02:16:25,140 --> 02:16:25,400
Sorry.

1382
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:27,500
I have a scratchy throat.

1383
02:16:27,620 --> 02:16:28,420
My name is Jenny Clark.

1384
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:30,860
I'm at 6973 Heart of C Street.

1385
02:16:31,580 --> 02:16:32,500
It's been a while.

1386
02:16:32,720 --> 02:16:33,700
I haven't been up here.

1387
02:16:34,640 --> 02:16:35,620
I have nervous.

1388
02:16:36,420 --> 02:16:38,340
So please forgive me.

1389
02:16:39,540 --> 02:16:43,840
Before I get into what I would like to say, I would like everyone to be aware that I'm

1390
02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:48,920
going to share some information, and I hope that the whole council would be prepared

1391
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:52,040
to write down and hopefully will investigate what I'm about to say.

1392
02:16:53,260 --> 02:16:58,380
I don't know if you will be able to give me answers, eventually, or if this information that

1393
02:16:58,380 --> 02:17:02,780
I'm sharing will be helpful, but I hope the answer to both of those things is yes.

1394
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:15,940
I can certain stems from the council members from a council member saying at the last council meeting that council and skiers actions was invalid under the Richland Hills rules of order.

1395
02:17:17,340 --> 02:17:23,600
If his actions were invalid, then it is then is the vote invalid making the budget invalid.

1396
02:17:24,420 --> 02:17:29,440
In August 14, 2023 there was a resolution in the Richland Hills city council.

1397
02:17:29,440 --> 02:17:33,160
It was approved and adopted on the 28th.

1398
02:17:33,220 --> 02:17:38,080
In amended the City Council rules of procedure following a charter amendment election by replacing

1399
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:44,280
Roberts rules of order with parliamentary procedure that says parliamentary procedures

1400
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:47,780
shall be given and referencing several amendments.

1401
02:17:48,740 --> 02:17:54,760
I'm speaking of Section 7 that states a motion to request or consider maybe made at the meeting

1402
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:57,880
which at the action to be reconsidered was taken.

1403
02:17:57,880 --> 02:18:05,060
In such an event, the motion or request to reconsider can be made, seconded, debated, and acted

1404
02:18:05,060 --> 02:18:07,640
upon, even though it is not in the formal agenda.

1405
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:16,260
And if the motion is approved as provided here in, excuse me, the item to be reconsidered

1406
02:18:16,260 --> 02:18:17,720
will be reopened immediately.

1407
02:18:18,740 --> 02:18:24,280
This was enacted by resolution number 582-23.

1408
02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:29,520
I am aware that at least two current council members voted on that very resolution.

1409
02:18:30,480 --> 02:18:35,240
And I believe that parliamentary procedure says that if the procedure supporting a vote is invalid,

1410
02:18:35,860 --> 02:18:39,440
then the vote is either void or voidable, voidable.

1411
02:18:40,620 --> 02:18:42,460
So in conclusion, my questions are,

1412
02:18:43,100 --> 02:18:46,840
was councilman skiers actions invalid under the Richland Hills Rules of Order,

1413
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:51,820
and is the fiscal year 2027 budget valid or void?

1414
02:18:51,820 --> 02:19:01,600
Thank you for any clarification regarding this and thank you to all the council members for your time and efforts regarding our fiscal year 27 budget.

1415
02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:02,620
Thank you.

1416
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:03,820
Thank you.

1417
02:19:04,820 --> 02:19:08,820
All right next we have Jim Sharble.

1418
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:12,280
Please come forward and state your name and address.

1419
02:19:18,460 --> 02:19:19,360
All right guys.

1420
02:19:20,420 --> 02:19:20,900
Okay.

1421
02:19:21,300 --> 02:19:23,360
Tell the little do a little brainstorming.

1422
02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:25,590
Tell us your name and address please.

1423
02:19:25,590 --> 02:19:36,570
My name is Jim Schill, I'm a 31-01, quite street in the Westwood Hills, Texas, do I need to give this up?

1424
02:19:36,890 --> 02:19:38,270
No, we're good.

1425
02:19:42,510 --> 02:19:51,570
I haven't had the pleasure of being here at every meeting, but I find it a little bit interesting and sometimes get a little chuckle out of you guys.

1426
02:19:52,270 --> 02:19:56,210
Last time I was here, you guys were deciding on whether you wanted to have a pool.

1427
02:19:56,210 --> 02:20:03,510
And of course, I had to say, hey, wait a minute, I used to work for the Federal Government as a

1428
02:20:03,510 --> 02:20:10,150
little specialist back in New York and again in El Paso, Texas, so I kind of know my way

1429
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:16,330
around the malls, and I pointed out to you that you guys wasted a little bit of money trying

1430
02:20:16,330 --> 02:20:19,870
to figure out what you needed and you wanted to put a pool in, because I pointed out right

1431
02:20:19,870 --> 02:20:27,530
way that you didn't have the parking or the land to put the pool in. And of course I never

1432
02:20:27,530 --> 02:20:32,650
heard anything about that later on. By the way, Jason, did a whole job. I'd like that

1433
02:20:32,650 --> 02:20:41,210
report. Thank you. The next question I have is I just found out who the representative

1434
02:20:41,210 --> 02:20:51,230
of his that would talk to FEMA about the waterways and the floods zones that you have currently,

1435
02:20:52,250 --> 02:20:57,970
which nobody's done that in many years, my understanding, at least 10 years that they've

1436
02:20:57,970 --> 02:21:01,310
actually re-written, re-did the report.

1437
02:21:01,310 --> 02:21:05,710
And I believe that person is Angela Davidson.

1438
02:21:08,730 --> 02:21:13,950
We might want to talk to her about getting an updated report and probably help

1439
02:21:13,950 --> 02:21:19,270
relieve some of the issues that you have already, especially with the flooding.

1440
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:30,090
The drainage situation you guys have going on right now, I'm going to make a recommendation

1441
02:21:30,090 --> 02:21:39,250
that any new builds that you do, that the builders put in their own drainage. I don't

1442
02:21:39,250 --> 02:21:45,290
think that is part of the thing that they have to do. But if they have to put the new drainage

1443
02:21:45,290 --> 02:21:52,910
in, make sure it's very sufficient. And you're budgeting people. You're purchasing people.

1444
02:21:54,570 --> 02:22:01,150
I don't know who's doing your purchasing, but I've been in a building industry for a while,

1445
02:22:02,150 --> 02:22:05,050
and I think the guys are being overcharged.

1446
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:10,930
I wouldn't know until I read the numbers and compared them, but I used to know procurement

1447
02:22:10,930 --> 02:22:15,630
for the military, and know I didn't buy the $200 toilet seats.

1448
02:22:15,630 --> 02:22:29,910
But I did do quite a bit of aircraft at Miramar and North Island, and so for me to know, you know, what a faster cost versus, you know.

1449
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:38,200
Somebody's trying to solve something was pretty important. So I delve into those details quite a bit.

1450
02:22:39,720 --> 02:22:49,460
That's why I'm saying, you know, you're budgeting or you're a procurement people need to see what's the best deal, not just name brand.

1451
02:22:49,460 --> 02:22:56,920
And I can tell you right now, I take maybe one or two phone calls for sewage pipes and

1452
02:22:56,920 --> 02:23:01,500
or water pipes to get really good deals on those.

1453
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:06,660
So I'd be happy to leave my number and let you check it out.

1454
02:23:06,660 --> 02:23:09,820
The other thing is that during the situation,

1455
02:23:11,880 --> 02:23:15,600
you have a major waterway between the

1456
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:21,860
Haltum and Richard Hills, that waterway is great.

1457
02:23:22,340 --> 02:23:24,680
All that water runs off into that area.

1458
02:23:26,180 --> 02:23:34,140
The theme of the problem is that nobody's updated to redo the flat particular street, which

1459
02:23:34,140 --> 02:23:46,510
quite behind my house is a major trough and because of that trough, it's costing me and

1460
02:23:46,510 --> 02:23:54,490
everybody on that street, a two hundred-year flood zone fee that we have to pay to

1461
02:23:54,490 --> 02:24:01,830
FEMA just to be able to have this. So it would help me to reduce that, I didn't

1462
02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:08,650
it. Also, if we put in piping back there, proper drainage,

1463
02:24:10,730 --> 02:24:13,350
any city project that had dirt,

1464
02:24:14,530 --> 02:24:21,750
overage, could take that dirt and throw it in the back there. That would save a lot of

1465
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:26,950
money. I'm sure the other citizens that live on that street would be appreciative, because

1466
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:33,750
all of a sudden they would gain more yard and less mosquitoes and less of a vermin than we

1467
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:38,490
already have. That's been a major problem. I go back to my backyard. I can't stand

1468
02:24:38,490 --> 02:24:39,630
or because of mosquitoes.

1469
02:24:42,170 --> 02:24:49,470
Also, every due to the cities expenditures on maintenance of

1470
02:24:49,470 --> 02:24:57,390
that drainage way, because as I understand it, part of your duties is to make sure that

1471
02:24:57,390 --> 02:25:05,350
drainage way is cleared, and to make sure that there is no more infestations and any other

1472
02:25:05,350 --> 02:25:07,130
other issues with that.

1473
02:25:08,050 --> 02:25:14,070
So if you put the sewer, you know, put a drainage pipe back there covered it over, not only

1474
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:20,170
would it take care of any further maintenance issues that you have, which would be probably

1475
02:25:20,170 --> 02:25:28,090
in the neighborhood, at least a hundred thousand a year. And that would be a great advantage

1476
02:25:28,090 --> 02:25:30,630
to you guys to keep producing your budget like that.

1477
02:25:30,670 --> 02:25:32,570
Jim, I'm going to have to wrap you up pretty quick.

1478
02:25:32,890 --> 02:25:37,870
It's a pretty minute, but we've been letting you go almost ten, so let's try to get it wrapped

1479
02:25:37,870 --> 02:25:42,010
up. We'll get some more business to take care of, too, so can I come back another meeting,

1480
02:25:42,010 --> 02:25:43,150
Can I come back?

1481
02:25:43,350 --> 02:25:50,490
Can I say one more thing about the con, I bought two conics and I'm trying to put in a garage

1482
02:25:50,490 --> 02:25:53,030
in my 50 by 50 pad.

1483
02:25:54,330 --> 02:26:01,270
The city's rule on that is that you can't have any storage containers and usage, which

1484
02:26:01,270 --> 02:26:06,610
I'm wondering about because they're stronger than a standard building, as long as they maintain

1485
02:26:06,610 --> 02:26:10,310
in the city's walls of the building codes,

1486
02:26:11,230 --> 02:26:16,470
Edward Bahuv, the city, allowed a roof to be put on those,

1487
02:26:16,690 --> 02:26:19,410
and the sorts of containers to be used in a proper fashion.

1488
02:26:20,050 --> 02:26:22,830
I'm not trying to go against a law, I'm trying to go with it,

1489
02:26:23,610 --> 02:26:28,450
but making a addition or a amendment to the usage of storage contains.

1490
02:26:28,590 --> 02:26:31,950
I can understand if they were out in the front yard and they were ugly,

1491
02:26:31,950 --> 02:26:43,370
But if they're behind the fence and in a proper fashion, which the city could easily regulate that would be a much better deal.

1492
02:26:43,870 --> 02:26:46,170
Okay, well I think the city must be aware of this already.

1493
02:26:47,210 --> 02:26:48,070
Is that.

1494
02:26:48,150 --> 02:26:48,290
Yeah.

1495
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:53,810
We'll check into it in any way you can contact city staff or you can contact me.

1496
02:26:53,930 --> 02:26:55,570
I've got a card out front too.

1497
02:26:55,930 --> 02:26:57,470
But there's several cards out there.

1498
02:26:57,490 --> 02:26:59,710
Contact us and follow up with us.

1499
02:26:59,830 --> 02:27:00,310
Yes please.

1500
02:27:01,210 --> 02:27:08,670
And thank you appreciate your time and I will be running for office next time.

1501
02:27:08,930 --> 02:27:10,630
All right.

1502
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:14,230
Get the line, right?

1503
02:27:18,110 --> 02:27:21,430
We're now going to move on to the citizen first city council comments.

1504
02:27:21,790 --> 02:27:23,290
Any city council have anything?

1505
02:27:23,810 --> 02:27:25,590
I actually do.

1506
02:27:26,130 --> 02:27:29,450
Last week I was at a team all event up in Pappell.

1507
02:27:29,450 --> 02:27:35,090
And one of the attendees walked up to me and I didn't have to decide if there's a health.

1508
02:27:35,750 --> 02:27:46,430
And pointed out that our link is a really great center, staff by great people that are making things work well.

1509
02:27:46,710 --> 02:27:54,290
And the fact that they had an open, basically trying them by, has brought this person into the link as a member.

1510
02:27:54,470 --> 02:27:57,150
And they come in literally, they're there every week.

1511
02:27:57,150 --> 02:28:04,710
So Kuro is to link in the link staff and it's actually doing what we wanted to.

1512
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:07,270
It's bringing people in from outside the town.

1513
02:28:09,130 --> 02:28:11,270
Just a good deal.

1514
02:28:12,330 --> 02:28:13,830
Like you have community interest item?

1515
02:28:15,550 --> 02:28:16,810
Many interest items.

1516
02:28:18,030 --> 02:28:23,190
The first one after school program at the link we are now in rolling for that.

1517
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:31,390
Senior lunch, function, bingo, second, third day of each month in the link community room.

1518
02:28:32,410 --> 02:28:35,810
Senior social time at the library is Thursdays at 10 a.m.

1519
02:28:36,110 --> 02:28:39,170
The Richmond Hills Literary Club is the second.

1520
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:42,890
Tuesday, each month at the library at 6.30.

1521
02:28:44,430 --> 02:28:53,110
They're forever buddy fundraiser at Chipotle Saturday, September the 19th, from 4 to 8 p.m.

1522
02:28:53,410 --> 02:28:56,030
Hopefully everybody will come out and support that.

1523
02:28:56,430 --> 02:29:02,970
Sticker Posea, Friday, September the 18th at the library from 5 to 6 p.m.

1524
02:29:03,690 --> 02:29:08,270
The trail tell, take a walk with the library, visit our hike and bike trail.

1525
02:29:08,270 --> 02:29:14,010
and trade near a latheum drog and join an international movement that combines literacy, exercise

1526
02:29:14,010 --> 02:29:15,610
nature and family bonding.

1527
02:29:16,310 --> 02:29:22,650
Last, the library lab is Tuesdays, Tuesdays, Tuesdays, September the 29th at the library

1528
02:29:22,650 --> 02:29:28,750
from 5 to 6 p.m. Please check our social media sites for more information about these and

1529
02:29:28,750 --> 02:29:29,710
many more events.

1530
02:29:31,330 --> 02:29:33,570
All right, good deal. Thank you. Thank you. Any other council have anything?

1531
02:29:33,570 --> 02:29:40,750
Just one update to the the senior lunch bunch has got to cut off the Monday before so if you got to you got to get signed up

1532
02:29:40,750 --> 02:29:45,870
That Monday before yep, or they can't get the can't accommodate, but it's a great event

1533
02:29:45,870 --> 02:29:48,390
All right

1534
02:29:48,390 --> 02:29:54,910
out of nine a is an update on flashpoke and the number of Richland Hills residents currently enrolled in this survey

1535
02:29:56,950 --> 02:29:58,310
Jason, you propose

1536
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:14,240
We have landed in left about a month ago, two months ago. We are at around 100. I think people signed up. In order to get to a statistically significant number, we need to be over 200.

1537
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:21,460
Sheena, we're at 160, I think, as of right now, and so we're still short of that 200.

1538
02:30:22,840 --> 02:30:31,620
If there's opportunities for council to get help us get the word out, when we've got it at every event that we do.

1539
02:30:31,820 --> 02:30:32,460
It's at the link.

1540
02:30:32,780 --> 02:30:34,400
We've got things at front of City Hall.

1541
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:38,000
We're putting it in the utility bills.

1542
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:45,060
You know, short of just going and knocking on doors, I don't know how else to get 200 to get the extra 40 people.

1543
02:30:46,220 --> 02:30:52,000
But we do have the national night out coming up in one of three weeks.

1544
02:30:53,260 --> 02:30:59,680
That'd be a great opportunity to carry a flyer with you, go around and get people to take a picture.

1545
02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:02,160
If you aren't going to sign up, why you're standing there.

1546
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:15,780
So if you could help us, any contact you have for residents, get them to sign up for this, then we could start doing those little one-minute surveys and get some immediate feedback for various things, they'd be very helpful.

1547
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:20,340
So do we have that flyer?

1548
02:31:20,600 --> 02:31:21,040
Is there one?

1549
02:31:21,060 --> 02:31:22,160
We have some about that.

1550
02:31:23,160 --> 02:31:30,200
So what if we offer a $25 gift card to a restaurant and town to get anybody that signs up?

1551
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:38,640
Let's get 100 more people. That's $2,500. That's not going to kill our budget. They go to El Chico or whatever, and then I don't know.

1552
02:31:39,060 --> 02:31:42,940
I'm just thinking, what can we do to get people out there that they're interested?

1553
02:31:43,720 --> 02:31:48,500
Because we can't get people to run for boards or commissions or to volunteer for those.

1554
02:31:48,620 --> 02:31:53,000
You know, let alone City Council sometimes too. So, I've got to get people interested.

1555
02:31:53,540 --> 02:31:55,840
I'm hopeful for the National Light Out to be okay.

1556
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:56,660
Good push.

1557
02:31:56,680 --> 02:32:02,200
Can you make sure that every house host gets flyers or at least one?

1558
02:32:02,220 --> 02:32:03,980
Yeah, that's the most good house.

1559
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:05,800
That's something that we monitor chief.

1560
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:10,500
Everybody who does the National Night Out House.

1561
02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:12,800
Because they could even just put it on a poster board

1562
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:14,160
and have people come up with a scanning.

1563
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:15,160
Yes, they come.

1564
02:32:15,340 --> 02:32:16,900
Santa poster board at every house.

1565
02:32:17,020 --> 02:32:17,860
That's a great idea.

1566
02:32:18,380 --> 02:32:20,220
Something like, well, this house cream right here.

1567
02:32:20,440 --> 02:32:21,320
Just my kids who are poster.

1568
02:32:22,140 --> 02:32:22,320
Yeah.

1569
02:32:22,320 --> 02:32:24,080
with the, with the, with the, um,

1570
02:32:24,460 --> 02:32:25,500
we've worked hard to,

1571
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:26,760
we've worked hard to, you know?

1572
02:32:28,460 --> 02:32:31,340
We can put something together when we deliver the signs

1573
02:32:31,340 --> 02:32:32,980
for the host homes.

1574
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:34,600
Yeah, we can put something together.

1575
02:32:35,080 --> 02:32:36,390
But we are doing another mailer.

1576
02:32:37,360 --> 02:32:37,380
Okay.

1577
02:32:37,500 --> 02:32:38,360
That's correct, Gina.

1578
02:32:42,180 --> 02:32:42,200
Yeah.

1579
02:32:42,740 --> 02:32:42,940
Yeah.

1580
02:32:44,300 --> 02:32:45,520
Get a paper, water, water, water,

1581
02:32:47,770 --> 02:32:47,770
water.

1582
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:48,110
Yeah.

1583
02:32:48,210 --> 02:32:51,180
We could just stick even just one end with the host.

1584
02:32:52,130 --> 02:32:52,710
Stop that would be.

1585
02:32:53,530 --> 02:32:55,290
So, we'll see how that does.

1586
02:32:55,290 --> 02:32:57,070
And then we can problem after that.

1587
02:32:57,310 --> 02:33:00,130
And that, yeah, was some gift cards, just gift cards, yeah.

1588
02:33:01,390 --> 02:33:06,410
And if, if I can, Texas not out wasn't listed on the community items,

1589
02:33:06,670 --> 02:33:10,750
but it is coming up as we're talking about on October the 6th from 6th to 9.

1590
02:33:11,250 --> 02:33:17,110
So anybody interested in hosting a party that information and sign up as on the website.

1591
02:33:21,350 --> 02:33:21,710
OK.

1592
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:30,600
So on the flash vote, too, one of the things that you could put on there,

1593
02:33:31,780 --> 02:33:39,360
It's called RH 101, is that what it is for our yeah that could be one of those things would you be interested in doing that whenever you stand out

1594
02:34:05,070 --> 02:34:08,570
If they got a type in the link or can they use the scan,

1595
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:12,400
they will be

1596
02:34:15,980 --> 02:34:16,260
sent.

1597
02:34:16,420 --> 02:34:22,920
But you're saying if you just get it by email, I don't know that RSTW automated system has that ability.

1598
02:34:24,120 --> 02:34:26,380
It's a PDF, so there's a link there.

1599
02:34:27,020 --> 02:34:28,300
No, I'd like to add it to that.

1600
02:34:28,700 --> 02:34:30,060
I'd like to reiterate the PDF.

1601
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:32,580
We've asked them to break down the base chart.

1602
02:34:32,940 --> 02:34:34,940
We couldn't even get that.

1603
02:34:35,500 --> 02:34:35,940
Okay.

1604
02:34:36,600 --> 02:34:38,940
The load may be there if I see it.

1605
02:34:39,400 --> 02:34:44,580
So, see through the notification, send out, send it to the code.

1606
02:34:44,580 --> 02:34:45,860
Yeah, we've sent it through Everbridge.

1607
02:34:46,060 --> 02:34:47,580
Everbridge, and yeah, information.

1608
02:34:49,420 --> 02:34:50,640
And I'll just try and manual quick.

1609
02:34:50,700 --> 02:34:53,840
We can also send it to residents through the links on database.

1610
02:34:54,180 --> 02:34:55,160
And so we'll get all the residents.

1611
02:34:55,380 --> 02:34:55,700
Okay.

1612
02:34:57,160 --> 02:34:58,580
Let's do all kinds of stuff.

1613
02:34:58,820 --> 02:34:59,440
That's good.

1614
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:00,160
All right.

1615
02:35:00,380 --> 02:35:01,300
Very good.

1616
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:02,540
All right.

1617
02:35:02,540 --> 02:35:06,400
Item 9V is discussion of you are finished with that.

1618
02:35:06,660 --> 02:35:07,000
Yes, right.

1619
02:35:07,800 --> 02:35:10,640
Item 9V is discussion of Terrent County pricing

1620
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:14,060
in the anticipated schedule for the city's fiscal year

1621
02:35:14,060 --> 02:35:20,000
2027 mill a mobile labor and Kelly presented this.

1622
02:35:20,020 --> 02:35:21,660
Yeah, I'll kick it off while he walks up.

1623
02:35:22,360 --> 02:35:26,980
We wanted to make sure and just give you details

1624
02:35:26,980 --> 02:35:29,540
on some recent meetings, but it

1625
02:35:29,540 --> 02:35:37,560
operating budget for the street sales tax we had projected about 1.35 million that's coming in for that

1626
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:44,660
sales tax so that we had 1.275 million going to like street maintenance milling overlay,

1627
02:35:44,920 --> 02:35:52,000
carbon gutter, driver approaches, but you also have cash in that fund that's available as well.

1628
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:59,240
So not only does, do we have 1.275, you have another million or so that you could use,

1629
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:03,420
so you really have like 2.0 something million that you could use for milling over late,

1630
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:05,180
urban gutter, and those things.

1631
02:36:05,900 --> 02:36:08,700
So that's kind of the background and then Kelly's kind of done the rest.

1632
02:36:09,640 --> 02:36:11,720
Yeah, so just quick update, now we got these roads.

1633
02:36:11,880 --> 02:36:17,560
I know the history of violence, we kicked that off back in January, got the scans done,

1634
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:21,260
and this last spring, they give us this a PCI score rating.

1635
02:36:21,260 --> 02:36:28,740
I then took the PCI score, looked at historical scoring that was done in 2019 for the previous CPI.

1636
02:36:29,140 --> 02:36:33,080
They gave us the store goals on everything underground, all the water mains, supermains.

1637
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:41,260
I took that list, I found the roads that didn't require water mains and didn't require substantial supermains.

1638
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:45,800
I do have four on here that the piece of quick piper, some jobs, we could do it.

1639
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:47,980
That's how we developed what we're called milling.

1640
02:36:49,390 --> 02:36:51,570
I'm using a mill and overlay lightly.

1641
02:36:52,010 --> 02:36:55,150
Terry County, come out, paracing three professional rules.

1642
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:58,990
They recommend that we do a full debt to reclaim on the majority of the roadways,

1643
02:36:59,250 --> 02:37:01,010
where we could get away with a mill and overlay.

1644
02:37:01,370 --> 02:37:03,190
There's going to be too many spot repairs.

1645
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:05,470
That's going to need a lot of cost and asphalt,

1646
02:37:05,910 --> 02:37:08,290
where we come out cheaper to a full debt to reclaim.

1647
02:37:09,750 --> 02:37:11,550
Full debt, I'm going to go in a little detail about that.

1648
02:37:11,950 --> 02:37:14,710
So they're milling the asphalt, and they actually reclaimed the subgrade.

1649
02:37:14,810 --> 02:37:17,590
While they're reclaiming that, they're injecting a concrete slurry,

1650
02:37:17,830 --> 02:37:18,930
and then they're compacting it.

1651
02:37:18,930 --> 02:37:24,990
So now we're getting a better sub-grid under the third okay, and then we're putting that for top and ask for

1652
02:37:24,990 --> 02:37:29,970
So if the mill another lady gets you 10 to 12 years, this is gonna get you 15 to 10

1653
02:37:31,980 --> 02:37:47,980
We've done this as hard-blown appeal the roads, driven, being at one of the first ones off the top of my head, I think. The main purpose of that was traffic from school to the bus. Clearly, they increased the cost a little bit, slightly, but we do get a longer lifespan,

1654
02:37:52,560 --> 02:38:03,560
right? So talk about the timing, like what is Terry County's timing. So come along. Fall going into winter, we'll start developing ILAs. Once we actually decide on these are for sure the roadways, we want to get done.

1655
02:38:03,820 --> 02:38:10,120
is coming to play we'll bring those back to y'all. I've also got to do behind the scenes, find a

1656
02:38:10,120 --> 02:38:16,440
contractor to do so. Some line replacement along with that's a curb and gutter replaced. We don't

1657
02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:19,500
want to do all this work to the roadway and not ensure our curb and gutter lines are working.

1658
02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:24,920
We obviously drainage is one of our bigger issues. We want to make sure what we have is working.

1659
02:38:25,800 --> 02:38:32,040
Mayor will recommend that we meet with the infrastructure committee within the next couple

1660
02:38:32,040 --> 02:38:37,700
weeks or so if that possible so that we can outline what those streets look like and then bring

1661
02:38:37,700 --> 02:38:43,820
that back to the full council on your get your interlocal agreements at the time of the

1662
02:38:43,820 --> 02:38:46,080
timing of the actual construction likely we'll be into the spring.

1663
02:38:46,360 --> 02:38:51,100
You know Lake Spring early summer, precinct threes, they said they could be out here for

1664
02:38:51,100 --> 02:38:51,780
a whole month.

1665
02:38:52,320 --> 02:38:58,720
For instance, what we did on the most took up two days, definitely doable.

1666
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:05,680
Can you take a couple of pictures of each street just to give us an example when we're meeting with the committee?

1667
02:39:05,940 --> 02:39:13,500
Just so we can get a quick idea without doing a field trip, just saves a little time too.

1668
02:39:15,050 --> 02:39:18,030
So what's that? Perfect thanks.

1669
02:39:18,390 --> 02:39:26,310
So how much is this, are we looking at 2.2 million or 1.2, or what are we looking at?

1670
02:39:26,310 --> 02:39:30,870
For the numbers I got from the county on all nine roadways, it's going to be one point.

1671
02:39:33,010 --> 02:39:33,390
That's pretty good.

1672
02:39:35,050 --> 02:39:36,550
Especially for what they're doing.

1673
02:39:37,210 --> 02:39:39,030
But one we've ever done before.

1674
02:39:39,650 --> 02:39:42,470
We're going to cat it in the remaining cash that we still have.

1675
02:39:42,610 --> 02:39:45,710
It's going to go towards carbon gutter and driver granges.

1676
02:39:46,070 --> 02:39:47,050
And we're still doing seasons.

1677
02:39:49,590 --> 02:39:51,790
We've got the carbon gutter and driver granges.

1678
02:39:52,030 --> 02:39:55,890
I mean if you do full blow, you're talking about two million three million.

1679
02:39:56,190 --> 02:39:56,650
Oh yeah.

1680
02:39:56,650 --> 02:40:00,930
you need it we're going to have to be very particular with that. The estimates I had just

1681
02:40:00,930 --> 02:40:06,290
for concrete is wrong. I feel like my numbers are a little bit hard compared to what happens

1682
02:40:06,290 --> 02:40:08,850
provided on the passports. Okay.

1683
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:14,150
And that is guessing, hey we're replacing every single drive

1684
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:18,130
away, every single curve together. So there may be some instances where we don't need to.

1685
02:40:18,270 --> 02:40:22,750
Yeah, I'm stopping my head. Yeah. I think Norden drive their sections up by the minute school

1686
02:40:23,370 --> 02:40:25,510
Yeah, for sure.

1687
02:40:26,850 --> 02:40:26,990
Okay.

1688
02:40:27,770 --> 02:40:28,830
That sounds great.

1689
02:40:30,530 --> 02:40:30,950
Thank you.

1690
02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:32,010
Anybody else have anything?

1691
02:40:32,570 --> 02:40:32,770
All right.

1692
02:40:33,870 --> 02:40:34,370
Thank you.

1693
02:40:34,550 --> 02:40:34,810
Next.

1694
02:40:35,430 --> 02:40:37,510
We'll now consider the consent agenda.

1695
02:40:37,630 --> 02:40:39,350
These items are considered routine.

1696
02:40:40,050 --> 02:40:42,270
It may be approved with one motion.

1697
02:40:42,890 --> 02:40:47,110
Unless a council member or citizen request that an item be removed for separate discussion.

1698
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:50,490
Item 10A is approval of the minutes from there.

1699
02:40:50,490 --> 02:40:59,750
August 24th, 2026 City Council regular meeting. Item 10B is appointment of Kelly Morris is the voting member

1700
02:40:59,750 --> 02:41:06,110
and Eric Valdez is the ultimate member to the Fort Worth wholesale water and wastewater customer and

1701
02:41:06,110 --> 02:41:12,670
advisory committee for fiscal year 2027. Anybody want to remove any item? Okay.

1702
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:18,190
Hearing none, the suggested motion is I move to approve consent agenda items 10A.

1703
02:41:18,190 --> 02:41:24,750
In 10B as present it is there a motion may I move the except the I was as you've read

1704
02:41:25,350 --> 02:41:26,150
in seconds

1705
02:41:26,150 --> 02:41:28,710
second okay second so

1706
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:30,290
All in favor I

1707
02:41:30,290 --> 02:41:32,310
In those motion carries

1708
02:41:32,830 --> 02:41:36,150
That brings us to the adjourn thanks for coming