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words of our mouths and the meditations
of our hearts be acceptable in thy

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sight, oh Lord, our strength and our
redeemer. Amen.

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Let us pray. Pledge. Ready? I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic
for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Thank you.

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Okay,
council, you have before you an agenda.

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The first thing I will do is ask, is
there anyone present who would like to

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speak under unscheduled public comments?
That's a 3minut time limit. Is anyone

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present in council chambers who would
like to speak under unscheduled public

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comments?

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Hearing no one. Uh and I am looking here
and I don't believe anybody was on the

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schedule public comment list. All right.
Then I have uh at least one

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uh
change or addition under Roman numeral

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10.
Uh we have a recommendation of the

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planning commission. Can we add under
that as A1 the uh report from the IEDA

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that would be Joseph Vance and Lena
Mitchell. If council would pencil that

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in please. Roman numeral 10 A1.
Uh, there'll be the IEDA represented by

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Jo represented by Joseph Vance and Lena
Mitchell. All right.

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And I think
that's it. Are there any other changes

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to the agenda? Council
>> Mayor.

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» Yes, sir. Can we add one item to
executive uh close session subject to

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Mike's approval there um for a legal
consultation uh regarding contracts

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the electrical contracts

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» for
um exist are you talking about

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» the existing contracts
>> existing so consultation with legal yes

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existing contract
>> so you can update us and I think uh Don

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can update hit us on a couple of things.

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» Yeah, let me just confirm on that.
>> Okay.

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Is this regarding the probable
litigation or before or just a blanket?

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» Just a blanket thing. It's discussed A8
>> A8. What is the number now please?

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» Virginia code se Virginia code section
2.2-3711. 2-3711

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>> for legal consultation.

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» Yes.
>> Regarding contracts, do we need that on

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there, Mike?
>> Is that the the energy contracts?

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» Electrical energy contracts.
>> Yep.

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» Thank you.
>> What is it? Electrical. Yeah, electrical

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contracts.
>> All right. Is that to get advice from

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Mike or just an update?
>> Yes, to get advice and an uh an update

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of a couple meetings that they had this
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» We can't do the update, but we can go in
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» Well,
>> if it's contract negotiation, there's a

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separate thing for that. But if it is
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it's to ask a legal question.
>> Well, I'm asking a legal question.

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» Yeah. And I said that was fine. I we
just can't do an update in there. If

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it's specific legal question, that's
perfectly okay.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» I have
>> Okay. So, what I have here is Virginia

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Code section 2.2-3711A88,

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legal consultation regarding electrical
contracts.

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Okay. Is are there any other additions
or deletions to the agenda, members of

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council?
>> Mr. Mayor.

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» Yes, sir. Um, can we add financial
policies to the financial director

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report?
>> Yes.

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» As item D.
>> So that will be under Roman numeral 10

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11. We'll put D, financial policies.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. That's Ronnie's report. Roman
numeral 11, financial policies.

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All right. Thank you. That's added.
Council, do you have that on your

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agenda? Okay. Any other additions or
deletions to the agenda changes?

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Okay, hearing none. Is there a motion to
approve the agenda as amended?

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» Jan makes the motion. Is there a second?
>> Rick has a second. Is there any

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discussion on this motion to approve the
agenda as amended?

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Hearing no discussion, may we have a
roll call vote, please?

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» Yes. Yes.
>> Yes.

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Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Motion carries. Thank you, council. We
now have a working agenda. Now, Roman

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numeral 5 is appointment of the clerk.
And so, if we will please look u I um I

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I think I'm glad to report that Amanda
has agreed to continue being our clerk.

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Am I correct on that? Am I correct in
saying that? Am I overstepping?

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» No, sir.
>> Thank you. So, that's delightful. But

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since she resigned, we have to have a
resolution to uh remploy her. She is an

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employee of the council. Um so we have
resolution R 202260201.

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Has everyone had an opportunity to read
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» I'll make a motion that we approve
resolution or adopt resolution R

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202260201.
>> Okay. There's a motion on the floor. Is

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there a second?
>> I'll second.

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» Gary has a second. Is there any
discussion on this motion to adopt the

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resolution
hearing? No discussion. We may we have a

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roll call vote, please.
>> Okay. Seth,

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» yes.
>> Gary,

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» yes.
>> Rick,

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» yes.
>> Jan,

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» yes.
>> And Laura,

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» yes.
>> Motion carries. Thank you very much. And

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Amanda, it's a delight to have you
return to this role. Thank you.

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Okay. Next, we have here um Okay.
Authorization to pay the bills, Roman

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numeral six. Does anyone have any
questions about the check register?

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» Um, I had a just one specific question
and then one general question. Uh, check

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number 18427
to the Virginia Employment Commission.

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Those are generally for our
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Okay.
Um, and there were a couple things on

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here that were over
like 10,000.

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Was the
I guess like the procurement policies

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were those
followed on those purchases.

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» Do you have a specific one, Laura?
>> Um I didn't mark them, Ronnie. I'm

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sorry, but just glancing at it, one of
them was um Outdoor Country18477

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$16,000.
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Schwarz and Associates 18482
for $19,000.

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» I know the Outdoor Country was
pretty certain I mean that all of these

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have been through the process, but I can
I can definitely follow up.

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» Okay. I I trust as long as you're aware
of it, I'm good. Thanks, Ronnie.

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» Any further questions? Thank you. Any
other questions?

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» Back to that first one that she asked a
question about. That check specifically

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is labeled with an employee who's not
been here for a long time. So,

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» that's what made me ask about it.
>> That was 18427. Ronnie.

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All right, I'll I'll follow up on that
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» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Any further questions,

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members of council, regarding the check
register.

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Uh, if there are no further questions,
is there a motion to authorize the

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manager to pay the bills?
>> So move.

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» Oh, sorry.
>> Rick has the motion or has a second. Any

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uh discussion on this motion
hearing? No discussion. May we have a

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roll call vote, please?
>> Okay. Seth,

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» yes.
>> Gary,

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» yes.
>> Rick,

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» yes.
>> Jan,

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» yes.
>> And Laura,

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» yes.
>> Motion carries. Mr. Mar, you may pay the

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bills. Thank you. All right. Now, we
have uh Roman numeral 7, the minutes of

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December the 9th.
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

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minutes as presented.
>> I'm just a little second.

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» Okay, there's a motion and a second on
the floor.

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I'm asking myself, is this is December
9th uh regular meeting minutes? Uh how

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about the January minutes?
>> Um those are in progress.

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» We don't have the January minute. So
we're approving the December minutes.

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Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much,

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Amanda. I just want to be clear on that.
All right. So is Yes, sir. Just so

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you're during the u period between
uh Amanda resigning before she returned

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is why do you have that delay for
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» Okay, I appreciate that. I was reading I
missing something. Okay, we're good. All

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right. So, is there a motion to approve
the minutes of December the 9th?

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» I made that motion.
>> Laura had I'm sorry. Was there a second?

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» Rick Rick made the motion. I think Laura
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» Keep straight. Thank you very much. All
right. There's a motion and a second on

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the floor. Is there any discussion on
this motion?

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» Uh, hearing none. May we have a roll
call vote, please?

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» Seth,
>> yes.

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» Gary,
>> yes.

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» Rick,
>> yes.

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» Jan,
>> yes.

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» Motion carries. Thank you, council.
Okay, we're on Roman numeral 8. There is

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no scheduled public comment. Roman
numeral 9 there. No one uh spoke up to

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be on unscheduled public comment. So
we're going on to Roman numeral 9 agenda

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items. A recommendation of the planning
commission regarding the proposed

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conditional use permit for 120 and that
should be 1205.

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Uh Carly, thank you for seeing that.
Let's correct. I should have said that

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on your u agenda. It's 1205 Front
Street. Thank you.

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» Uh Gary.
>> Yes, mayor. Uh, the planning commission

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met just while ago and are in agreement
5 to zero honoring the conditional use

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permit for Kevin Schwin Gerber.
>> Okay.

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» And I'll just go ahead and make that
motion that we approve that.

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» I'll second.
>> All right. There's a motion uh on the

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floor to approve the conditional use
permit uh for 1205. And um we're good.

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You want to see that? It's just the
document they do. All right. So, there's

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a motion and a second on the floor. Any
discussion on this motion to approve the

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conditional use permit?
>> Hearing none, may we have a roll call

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vote, please?
>> Okay, S.

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» I'm going to abstain as that property
belongs to me.

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» Okay. Gary,
>> yes.

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» Rick,
>> yes.

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» Shan,
>> yes.

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» And Laura,
>> yes.

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» Motion carries. Uh, thank you.
And so I would suggest that the owners

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contact the town manager for the
conditional use permit. Thank you. All

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right. Next we have uh Thank you. I'll
pass this back. Gary.

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All right. Uh I would like to Hold on.
Okay. We're now on Roman numeral 10 A1.

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The uh IEDA uh represented by Joseph
Vance and Lena Mitchell. Would you

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please come forth?

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and uh we know you, but would you tell
us your roles on the IEDA, please?

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» Yes.

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» So, my name is Joseph Vance. I'm the uh
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» Thank you, L.
>> for the IEDA.

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And Lyn's passing out
some summaries for a little bit of what

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we're going to present tonight.

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been a lot of work uh put in over the
past uh few months from the IEDA just

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working to bring more businesses into
the town of Richlands uh to operate

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there. So, I'm going to give a little
bit of an opening comment. I'll be brief

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and I appreciate you all appreciate your
time and and looking into this. Uh but

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as we've continued to look for
opportunities to develop business within

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the town of Ridgelands, um we we're
we're wanting to expand and we're

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wanting to do it in alignment with what
council has already done. Um

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particularly with the enterprise
incentives that were discussed a few

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months ago. Um you know, even agreement
of the council to even lower some of the

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FTEES. Um, so you have before you that's
got uh some more of the details, but you

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know, other types of enterprise zone,
you know, business license, lodging,

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meals, etc. Uh, we're in agreement uh
the IEDA is in agreement with town

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council uh to propose those. So, what's
being proposed is what we're referring

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to um as a small business expansion
grant. Um, and Lena and Mike have done

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uh an incredible amount of work to just
pull the the shell and the concept of

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this together. Um, and what we're really
asking for is just continue down the

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same path that we already have uh with
this grant. So, the focus of the grant

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is uh for capital investment,
specifically for capital investment. Uh

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so a lot of times uh a business may
start up and they may need help with you

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know operational expenses or rent or
something to that effect. Um sometimes

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those are a little harder to defend.
>> Uh but in this cases specifically for

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capital maybe it's a software purchase
or hardware purchase or a piece of

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equipment or something like that. And
then within that first year um they they

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would need to show an increase of at
least one FTE uh to be subject to this

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grant. So, it kind of goes along with
what we did uh with the enterprise zone

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uh incentives in the fact that um they
they have to provide additional jobs for

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them to qualify for these. Um so,
tonight we're not asking for approval

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for a a new program. We're really just
asking to to consider as you all are

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developing your budget uh for fiscal
year 2026 and 2027. If council is

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receptive to that, uh our next step will
be to actually develop u just a good

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application um and bring that to council
um obviously for feedback and for public

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comment. Um and I'll turn it over to
Lena. She's going to share some details.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Alan. Hello everyone. Um

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Joseph did a really good job of an
overview of the program. These would

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actually be micro grants and um we
anticipate being able to serve

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approximately 10 to 11 businesses
depending upon what their need would be

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and how much they would request. Um the
grants would be up to $2,500

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and as Joseph mentioned um they would be
required to um hire one new person as an

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FTE during a one-year period. Now there
is no risk involved in this because it

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would be a reimbursement program. And so
after that one year is over, they would

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show proof of the new FTE and also then
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whatever their um ask would be. Um
as he did mention, it would be for

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capital purchases, no rent, no utilities
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provide you with an overview that you
can take and review at your leisure. And

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um, one of the other things I want to
mention though is on the back page, this

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is not going to cost council any money
because the money is already there. It's

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marked in pink on the last page of the
financials that was in the council

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packet. And if you look at that, it's
the exact amount, 27,42.04.

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So, um, what we would like is for you
all to review this. Um, if you have any

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questions, I've also included all the
members of the IEDA and their phone

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numbers. So as you do go on and have
your budget work sessions, if you have

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any questions, if you would like us to
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we'd be happy to do that. So um I would
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now.
>> Any questions?

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» Yes.
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» Um your focus is on existing businesses
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» Yes, it is Jan. um mostly the new
incentives that you all did approve a

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couple of months ago for the enterprise
zone. We're were more in line in tune

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for new businesses. So we don't want to
forget about growing our existing

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businesses and so this is more tailored
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» Thank you.
>> I just have a quick comment. Um I'm not

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saying I'm against it. I'm not saying
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heads up that the money that you
highlighted on the back um we've already

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made a motion and approved to move that
money back into our general fund.

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» Oh, you did approve that.
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Ronnie was going to look into and Mike
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how much of it we could pull back over
because there was a little bit whatever

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it was the town contributed
25,000 and then there was whatever.

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to look into how much we could put back

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from the town and how much if it had to
be returned or reimbursed or used for

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that or
>> Well, I remember the original intent of

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this these monies were to assist and
support our local businesses. Um, at

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that time, I think it was new
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for our existing businesses, too.
sometimes they tend to get overlooked.

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So if you know if that's the case, I
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know for about 2 years, maybe a little
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It hasn't done anything. And so we have
actually as the IDA had been working on

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a concept to present to you all for
several months um unaware that a motion

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had been approved for this you know
these funds.

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» I didn't mean to interrupt you. I had
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like our committees were not we're not
communicating with you enough. You guys

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aren't with us enough that it almost
feels like and not just with the IEDA

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all of our committees. It kind of feels
like we're all we're not not always on

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the same page because we don't
communicate enough. So, I think this is

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a great idea. I don't know about the
money. I think it's a great idea and you

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you're kind of always known as the grant
queen. So,

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» I don't know if I would go that far, but
thank you.

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» But I uh I do think that it's great you
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communicate with you guys as a council
more and you guys with us as well. and

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not just with you guys, like I said, all
of our committees so we can

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» well I will speak on behalf of the the
other members of the IDA and I'm sure

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that they would appreciate that. I know
I would and I know

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» you guys are working hard on it. But um
again when you are doing your budget

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work sessions if you don't have another
idea for these monies please just

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consider that or maybe there's another
alternative that we could work together

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on. So that's all we we have tonight but
question Rick has a question. Rick

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» I've got a question like on new
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not a lot of money and I know this, but
it's like it's like more of an

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advertising deal for us. Why don't we
eliminate the like the business license

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fee for the first year?
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they're located in the enterprise zone
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enterprise zone.
>> Well, we're not talking what, $35 or

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something.
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» it's not much. is that the what I
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initial payment for it. Uh Billy and I
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is the upfront if you file for the
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» Then you settle.
>> What's that?

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» You got to settle up with what you sold.
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» Right. So you do that to start the year
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actually are the followup to that first
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reduction the first year. Um, and then
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» and then 40
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» We kind of need to advertise that a
little more. That will draw more

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business to our town
>> because people all they want to, you

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know, all they're hearing is business
license and all of these license you

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have to have to get in business,
>> permit fees, zoning,

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» all of this stuff. So, if we could kind
of advertise that, I think that would

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help us a whole lot in drawing newer
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» We agree. We agree. Totally.
>> We do. We've actually talked about some

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ideas to market our existing businesses
and and you know to attract new

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businesses using the town's website, the
Facebook page and other ideas. So, thank

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you Rick for that suggestion.
>> Well, like today I was in Lebanon and I

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seen a book, it was Jonesville,
Tennessee, you know, and it was just all

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about that. It wasn't about this thick,
but it had every bis business that they

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had in the whole town list it. I mean,
if we're going to invest our town, that

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is something we need to invest in.
>> Another idea that we have discussed in

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our meetings is having a resource guide
uh sort of like a welcome packet for new

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businesses and some of the resources
such as the small business assistance

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center at the college. you know, all of
their services are free and they have a

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wealth of information and can be of of
great assistance to new businesses

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starting out.
>> And that may help us that may help us in

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advertising rich lands a little bit
better than we've done cuz we've not

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done a good job at it and it's not
working because we're not doing it.

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» So, yes, I'm I'll help you anyway I can.
>> Thank you. We appreciate that so much.

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» I have a question. Rick, was that
Jonesville or Jonesboro? I believe

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Jonesboro.
>> Okay. I'll just add a couple things

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here.
>> Say Jonesville. Sorry.

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» I I don't know. I really don't know. I
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this. I may be way off. So, accept this
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was given uh for the B. The intent was
to help businesses from the Thompson

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Charitable Foundation. The next thing is
on Johnsboro, it's not particularly

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about the business, but they have
established themselves as the center of

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the international storytelling center of
this country. And that is one of their

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biggest economic drivers and it all
started with a teacher in a graveyard

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telling a story. If you've never been,
it is fantastic.

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Just wanted to add that it adds to their
economy, its culture. Thank you.

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» Any other questions? Linda, I was just
going to say it. You know, I don't I was

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curious about the allocation. I don't
know if we've I don't think we've

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allocated that money for anything. I
know we did put it back into the general

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fund, but the other thing is um 2500's I
know it's it's money, but it seems like

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a little amount, but I wonder if
>> I know and we don't have a lot to work

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with. I get it. But I wonder if we could
maybe go to Kland Plateau to see if

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there's a way for maybe them to match
what we're putting in or something like

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that. I think that would make it because
if you could even get to 5,000 to make

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an equipment purchase for a small
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significant difference.
>> And Seth, that's a great point that we

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have uh floated in our meeting. We just
wanted to get this proposal to you all

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in advance of discussing and developing
the budget. We didn't want want to wait

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on that. Evidently, you know, we are a
little late as far as this particular um

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fund, but we did think about VCA and
some other possibilities of funding. Um

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this would be a great start to get our
feet under us to make, you know, sure

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this is going to work like we think it
will. But um those are some excellent

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suggestions we've received
>> cuz they have like um like C Plateau has

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revolving loan fund and you know they're
doing like small business things.

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There's not a lot of money left in it
cuz they've done some larger things here

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lately. But for you know that's not a
lot of money and there's potential you

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might be able to go to them and say hey
what if we put this money up could you

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help us and that way we're able to do
more because that's their whole mission

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and goal anyway is to help people. And
the better thing for that is they're

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just putting up the money. They don't
have to monitor it. They don't manage at

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all. We would take care of that, right?
>> Just just a thought.

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» I think we've got our direction. We'll
get you an application. We're going to

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start working on drafting the
application that that you can do for

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review. We'll we'll see what we can do
the next time. This is great.

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» Thank you.
>> Well, the good thing is there were

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questions. That means it's not dead in
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» That's right. That's right. Well, thank
you so much for your time and your

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consideration. We appreciate that.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, mayor. I just want to comment

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as your interim town council manager. I
would strongly encourage you to look at

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these types of programs. You can't cut
your way through a budget all the time.

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Sometimes you have to focus and invest
in the top line, which is what they're

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focused on. And so I just I I think when
we're having those discussions in the

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future that we keep in mind that when
we're looking at a budget, there's two

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sides of it. And we need to be looking
at revenue opportunities and growth as

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much as we're looking at expense
management and cuts.

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» Thank you, Mr. Moore.
>> Great point. Just for some context, Mr.

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Maher, the reason that we cut that
initially was because and this IEDA is

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they're totally new. Has nothing to do
with them, but we had a former IEDA who

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took that money and did not use it the
way that it was supposed to be used. Um

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it
lawfully but awfully got funneled back

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into IEDA members businesses. Um and
then we had the business owners in here

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yelling at us. Weren't able to get the
money. um nothing to do with anybody

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sitting in your seat, but a former
former former town manager um was not

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thorough with the and fair and equal
with the applications. So, some people

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were getting paid, others weren't. Um,
so I really appreciate that you guys are

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starting off smaller
>> to be able to master it and, you know,

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know what you're doing before jumping
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» situation like we had. Um, and that's
why that program was paused. But

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» that's even more encouraging for us
because I wasn't part of you

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any correlation.
>> No one on your IEDA now.

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» No, it's a it's had a total total
change. you know, we we are looking at

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sustainability for this if it's
something that you all want to go

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forward with and um so that's important
things like Seth said, Mr. Mars and

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» cuz because we can't just
>> hand out checks and and then have

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nothing left, right? There's got to be
some kind of building to it, some kind

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of regeneration
to the process. So, we're definitely

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looking at
>> I like how you're thinking.

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» Okay.
>> Thanks again.

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Thank both of you and thank the members
of the IEDA.

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Okay.
Okay. Now, Roman numeral 10B, we are on

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um
Quantum Power Project updates. Welcome,

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gentlemen. And uh come on up. I would
like to uh share with you the purpose of

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there being here is excuse me, I'm about
to sneeze.

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Sorry.
We want a clear I'll wait till they're

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with me.
>> Welcome. Did you have to travel far

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today?
>> No, sir. Not too far.

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» Okay. Welcome. So, the purpose of the of
having you guys here, we're very glad

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you're here. Is to have a clear
understanding of the milestones uh for

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the project and what are the timelines
for the project for these milestones and

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how is the progress going with the goals
that we've set that you've set?

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Absolutely, Mayor. Thank you for having
me. U council.

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» So, I want to address those as
specifically as I can in a in a

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presentation. And I apologize. I believe
we were on the minutes for the last

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meeting and I was unaware and so we just
didn't make it the last time. But, uh, I

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hope to address most of the concerns
with this with this presentation today.

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asking something from me.

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» Is it asking something of me?
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» Okay, great.

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» Frank, is there any way you can flip
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» Sure,
>> please.

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I'm just hooked into one, I guess.
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» Okay.

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» All right.
Technical difficulties. I'm Zach Romano.

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This is Mark Romano. I'm the VP and he's
the president of Quantum Power. Uh, it's

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first time our being here in front of
the new interim town manager. First time

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I've seen you face to face. So, it's
nice to meet you. Um, so I'll start out

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with the executive summary. Um, the
Mercury 50 Genset has been purchased and

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manufactured and is awaiting transport.
It's currently at the manufacturer in

419
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,960
San Diego. Uh, waiting to be transported
here because of the weather we've had.

420
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,520
I've kept it at the manufacturer. Um,
>> we went and looked

421
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,839
» Yeah, we went and saw them start it up
and run it in December. Um, and since

422
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:56,160
then, we've been making preparations for
long-term storage for that for that

423
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,079
generator. Um, due to some of the other
delays that I'll discuss a little bit

424
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:04,960
later. Um
the engineering and procurement are

425
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:10,640
progressing uh but costs have increased
due to inflation scope changes uh and

426
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:17,280
Americanmade requirements from Amler uh
for the money that they want to give.

427
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:21,839
Um the permitting and the land mineral
rights remain on the critical path for

428
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:26,720
us including storm water permits and
rightway negotiations that are still

429
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:31,599
ongoing.
Um the construction is contingent upon

430
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:37,920
timely permit approval and land
agreements uh with the best case in

431
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:41,359
service of Q4 of 2027
and that and that is best case with with

432
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,920
quite a few things that we'll discuss in
here how that's going to be

433
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,680
accomplished. Um we want to review the
current and possible economic dispatch

434
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:53,200
modeling and cost-saving projections
that that's a little bit different from

435
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,319
the original bid that we put in. We
originally had planned on base loading

436
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:00,720
this, but based on information that we
received along the way with the power

437
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:05,440
purchase contracts that it wasn't we
weren't able to just base load that

438
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,520
generator 100% of the time, it was it
had to be on a dispatch schedule a

439
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:13,200
schedule according to the power purchase
agreements that you already had in

440
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,520
place. So, uh, we've had to pivot on
that and and we've we'll talk about that

441
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,680
a little bit further in detail, but the
economic dispatch is is what we are

442
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:26,079
modeling later in this in the
presentation and, uh, that is the most

443
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:28,960
economical way for the town of Richlands
to dispatch this asset that they've

444
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:33,920
purchased.
>> Mayor Curry, um, is there any way that

445
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,680
you guys could email that to our clerk
and let her print this out for us to see

446
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,640
the presentation?
>> I can. Uh, I'll have to make some

447
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,079
changes to it because that's why I
didn't email it earlier. Okay. Some of

448
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,680
the documents are on my computer and so
when I email them, they disappear. The

449
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,560
slide becomes blank. So, I'll be glad to
>> Okay. Print them up and send them. Yeah.

450
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:57,359
Yeah. I'll be glad to do that.
>> Um, and we're looking for council's

451
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:01,119
cooperation um or assistance in
finalizing the land and mineral rights

452
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,359
agreements to avoid further delays in
this project.

453
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:12,000
the uh engineering and procurement
progress embbridge the natural gas prov

454
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:17,040
the pipeline
for the natural gas uh that you all will

455
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:21,200
be receiving is a 60% drawing package.
We've been in constant discussions with

456
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:25,520
them and and um been receiving
engineering updates along the way on on

457
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:30,000
the progress that they're making as far
as the hot tap and the and the equipment

458
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:35,520
that's needed to supply the Mercury 50
with the natural gas. Um, we're

459
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:40,160
coordinating economic the equipment to
handle the economic dispatch.

460
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,880
Um, which which this one piece in
particular is out of scope for what we

461
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:47,359
originally intended to do for the town
of Richland. We intended to put in this

462
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:51,680
generator based on a 90% base load
operation like I mentioned before. Um,

463
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:57,280
but we have moved into an economic
dispatch that we we've engaged with some

464
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,880
consultants on our own dime to help
understand the economic dispatch of this

465
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,560
generator for the town of Richlands.
That's a little bit out of scope from

466
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:10,079
what we originally had planned. Um but
we have done that at our cost. Um the

467
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:13,280
civil pad including the soil replacement
and the grading and the road

468
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:19,359
construction and the storm water are
underway. Um we have bids out for the

469
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,119
line equipment and the poles.
We're focusing on Americanmade equipment

470
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:29,119
because that's the stipulation from
Amler um in order for them to to

471
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:33,520
guarantee those funds. So the the poles
are being ordered and and we plan on a

472
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:38,560
summer delivery on those and a lay down
yard preparation before that

473
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,520
and we are also coordinating with the
vendors on the meter skid and EGM

474
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:46,440
building that's needed for the natural
gas supply and controlling the mercury

475
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,440
50

476
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,520
back.
>> Zach, are the are these supposed to be

477
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,200
changing up here the uh slides? Yes,
sir.

478
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,480
» Yeah, we went back a little bit.
>> They're not they're frozen. Oh, they're

479
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,200
not they're not changing on there. Okay.
I'm sorry.

480
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,760
» I just wanted to share that with you.
>> Okay.

481
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,440
» Sorry about that.
>> That's okay. I

482
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:13,119
» Let's move it back so we can see.
So, I want to be clear about why we are

483
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:19,280
where we are. Right. So, we can sit here
and go, oh, we're at a 60% drawing

484
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:23,040
package. We're at poll quotes on the
polls. We're at bids out on this other

485
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:28,319
stuff.
Let's let's be clear. we would already

486
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:33,280
be under construction. We should be
under construction, right? So, we got

487
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:38,160
held up because of
some type of scenario that's going on

488
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:42,880
over there on site, right? So, that's
why we are where we are. If we had been

489
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:46,720
able to finish the engineering, the line
route engineering has been done a long

490
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:50,720
time ago. The pad engineering should
have been done, but we couldn't because

491
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:56,720
we weren't sure if the pad was going to
be here or 30 ft down. Right. Inbridge

492
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,960
would have been a lot further along with
their interconnection on the gas if they

493
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,680
could have said, "Well, we don't have to
move our pipe." Right? So, there's been

494
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:11,119
a whole lot of pressure from outside
sources that delayed us. Right? So, it's

495
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,200
one of those things where you can't just
say, "Hey guys, go and finish up this

496
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:19,119
engineering, get it wrapped up so that
uh it can change, right? Because now

497
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:23,119
we've burnt the town's money. We've
wasted all the time. The paper isn't any

498
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,560
good." Right? So, I'm just clarifying
that this isn't like we're sort of

499
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,800
dragging our feet over here and that's
why we are where we are. You see what

500
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:36,880
I'm saying? So,
I just wanted to bring that into into

501
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:40,960
view when it comes to the delays.
>> Yeah. So, I I don't know why that's not

502
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:46,160
changing. I wish it would. Um,
>> why don't you try to do uh airplane?

503
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:51,119
» I can try to air it if it's easier. I
know they want to see the slides here.

504
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:54,119
Just go. Let me see the remote, please.
See,

505
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,160
see if you got to be on the same
internet. You're on the same internet.

506
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:04,040
» Richland's guest. Is that the same
network? There it is.

507
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:18,280
» It ought to just pull. You ought to just
see the TV.

508
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:44,119
You don't see anything at all.

509
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:57,720
Apple Airplane.

510
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:23,880
Turn Bluetooth off and back on.

511
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,119
It wouldn't be Bluetooth

512
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,200
on the mirror.
>> That's to my iPad.

513
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,280
Do you have any way?

514
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,240
» Is it up there again?

515
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:34,880
Okay,
>> he reset the network. It should be on

516
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:39,119
Richland's guest though.
>> I don't know.

517
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:45,119
» I doubt it. I said they're not a guest.
Well, I'm asking him. He's the IT guy.

518
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:49,160
» Is it Richland's Wi-Fi?
>> What is What is your Wi-Fi?

519
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:58,920
» Oh, well then it's not going to do it.
>> Oh, so it's not even connected to the

520
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,920
» Y.

521
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,800
You got a HDMI first.
>> HDMI is what's plugged in.

522
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:32,319
I saw something.
>> Did y'all get that?

523
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:38,000
» It was one slide that was trying to come
up.

524
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:42,280
» Yeah, I snapped it real fast.
>> It's not a bad joke. It's fun.

525
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:47,680
» You think your cable's bad?

526
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:52,359
I tried to. It's not mine.

527
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,800
» I know.

528
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,480
» I can tell it's trying to do something
cuz it keeps bumping it.

529
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,800
Just going to switch it for a second.

530
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,520
We could connect this to the top

531
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:40,800
to the Richland's guest.
>> Could we?

532
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,680
» Can we do that? set it up for the wrist
lands guest and air play that.

533
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,920
» You want to do that?
>> May, do you want to do a fivem minute

534
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,839
recess now while you're doing that?
>> Let's do a five minute recess. Make it

535
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,440
10 so you don't feel under pressure.
>> Thank you.

536
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,920
» I mean, thank you.
>> Uh, Mr. Romano, who made the joke,

537
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,040
» sir, with the remote. Would you look at
me, please?

538
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,680
» A day without a laugh is a wasted day. I
got it. Thank you.

539
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:41,680
resume.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. All right. Um, so

540
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:45,440
I'm going to get into some of what Mark
was alluding to in just a minute a

541
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:50,400
little bit in further detail. All right.
as far as what it is. What so the the

542
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,599
companies that are involved are Embridge
Power Engineers, our engineering group,

543
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,200
you know, and we have a group that's
doing the consulting on the economic

544
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,480
dispatch, but really we've kind of
saddled oursel with the burden with

545
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,680
handling the Embbridge pipeline, the
hottap, right? That wasn't necessarily

546
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:08,400
in our scope, but we took that on as
well with the economic dispatch to try

547
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:11,839
to ensure the successful operation of
this generator. So conditions have

548
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,920
constantly been changing since we
originally bid this and and it was a

549
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:21,359
straightforward put in a generator, have
it run at 90% capacity and turn the

550
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:25,599
asset over to the town of Richlands. So,
you know, part of that was securing the

551
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:30,240
land the the land rights for the
generator site itself, which was a, you

552
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:33,599
know,
we were pointing in in a direction of

553
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,799
where we would like to have it and the
town of Richlands was supposed to take

554
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,319
that over and was supposed to secure
that those land rights so that we could

555
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:46,319
start the engineering for the generator
pad and for the line route itself. So

556
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,839
those those uh negotiations early on
kind of stalled and we had to take over

557
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,440
and use our engineering group to to
contact Pocahontas land and to deal with

558
01:01:51,920 --> 01:02:00,160
Ramaco
um and and find out the the uh the

559
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:03,200
mining permit that was in that area. So,
we originally had a line route

560
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:07,760
engineered when we when we put this
together. And that came with a specific

561
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:11,280
number of poles and conductors and um
and all the equipment that goes on those

562
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:15,119
poles. And the scope has dramatically
changed since we originally bid that

563
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:19,440
because we've re-engineered it twice.
The first time we re-engineered it uh

564
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:23,040
because the we crossed through mining
permit. We already had that engineering

565
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:27,839
in place. And when we went to Pocahontas
land to finish that to help finish the

566
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:32,240
land lease for the generator site
itself, what we ran into was there was a

567
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:36,160
mining permit that interfered with where
we wanted to put our line. So we had to

568
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:40,400
re-engineer the line route. All right.
And we and we did that and we put that

569
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:43,760
in to a contingency budget and that's
what I'm going to show here on this

570
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:46,240
slide. Can you guys see this slide that
showed us the original?

571
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:50,960
» Yeah, it's pretty small. Can you make
it's okay, but can you make it bigger?

572
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,400
» Hit control++.
Thank you.

573
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:59,119
» Got it.
>> Okay. So,

574
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:06,319
so you can see um the up we updated the
the line route and did grid analysis

575
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:10,640
back in September. All right. And then
when once we did a a bat portal study,

576
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:14,160
we had to have the line route
re-engineered a second time because of

577
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:20,880
the information that we got back from
Pocahontas Land. You can see on on 53025

578
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:26,400
uh the additional engineering that had
been done to have the line route

579
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:29,760
re-engineered a second time. Um we
caused none of those issues or were the

580
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:32,640
reasons for why we had to re-engineer
them. But nonetheless, they had to be

581
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,480
re-engineered because of the way the
line route is set up. Every pole is GPS

582
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:40,880
located. Every piece of equipment that's
on that pole is specific to that pole.

583
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:46,960
The conductor length is very specific
for the overall line route from the

584
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:50,880
substation to the generator site. And so
all of those pieces had to get reeval

585
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:56,319
evaluated every time we ran into an
issue with the engineering. And and and

586
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:59,520
most of it came from Pocahontas's lands
reluctance to give us the information

587
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,920
that we needed when we originally did
the engineering. So, uh, you know, we we

588
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,880
worked through those issues and we used
the contingency money because that's

589
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:10,480
what we were directed to do was to use
the contingency money to pay for that.

590
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,920
Um,
uh, some of the NEPA coordination and

591
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,280
the cultural study that you see that's
on there. The NEPA coordination was a

592
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:21,680
consultant that we had to bring in to do
some of the work that's specific to the

593
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:28,240
cultural study. Um and the cultural
historical architectural study that you

594
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:34,319
see on there was all NEPA specific which
is a regulatory body that was guiding us

595
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:38,559
on how we had to engineer this route. We
came through the historical district in

596
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:42,240
downtown Richlands and so certain
criteria had to be met to be NEPA

597
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:48,480
compliant
to to qualify for the Amler funds.

598
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:52,079
from 24 to 25 there was a change in the
NEPA regulation and we were no longer

599
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:56,079
required
to do certain aspects of those studies

600
01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:02,799
that had already been done to qualify
for the Amler grant. Uh and so we

601
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:08,960
requested that you guys go back and
reapply for the 2025 funds at the time

602
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:13,280
because it no longer required it. Trump
had uh President Trump had gotten rid of

603
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:16,559
some of the regulations and uh we didn't
have to follow some of the guidelines

604
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:20,720
that we originally did. Now, the
cultural study still had to be done and

605
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:24,400
still had to be studied because we came
through the downtown district, but we

606
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:28,480
didn't have to proceed further with any
NEPA regulations because he had dialed

607
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:32,400
those back. Okay. So there could be
additional costs that would have been

608
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:37,200
associated with this project specific to
the engineering and the environmental

609
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:42,240
studies uh related to the Amler funds if
if NEPA was still compliant. So that we

610
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:48,400
have kind of stopped that and and where
we are with the CNX purchase is there

611
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:54,400
was I put on here 1025 102025 because
that was when we had originally planned

612
01:05:50,319 --> 01:06:00,000
to pay for the permit on CNX. So the the
generator site itself has

613
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:04,480
» Yeah, I'm going to. So So the generator
site itself

614
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:09,039
um had other stakeholders. There's
Pocahontas Land, which you guys secured

615
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:13,520
a lease on the piece of property for X
amount of dollars a year and and the

616
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:17,280
rightway for the line route all the way
back into town. Okay. Anything that

617
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:22,880
Pocahontas land. So you had to secure
that. But CNX was on the property. And

618
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:29,039
there's also another entity that's
that's come into play in the last 6 to 8

619
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:33,119
months um that has a claim to some
mineral rights that are on that property

620
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:36,720
or or to to remove some coal and those
are the main issues that are causing the

621
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:41,440
delays at the moment and we have to work
through some of those. But the CNX,

622
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:45,359
there was discussions with CNX about
their piece of the property that

623
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:51,440
encompassed that was on part of the
generator site. And so we helped

624
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:56,319
negotiate some of the contract with CNX
to purchase that permit so that we could

625
01:06:53,440 --> 01:07:02,720
have clear title to the land above it.
But we have not seen those that purchase

626
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:06,079
agreement from CNX yet. But this is when
the money was earmarked out of the

627
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:10,480
contingency fund to make that payment.
It has not been made. But that is what

628
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:15,200
the planned use for that money is. So
that shows you see on this slide right

629
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:18,319
there at the bottom for the contingency.
We originally had a million dollars

630
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:22,559
planned in the contingency and that was
supposed to go towards the construction.

631
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,480
But as you can see those monies were
taken by each one of those studies

632
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:32,559
re-engineering everything that had to be
done plus the purchase from CNX.

633
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:37,039
The purchase from CNX is minimal dollars
that would have had to been spent rather

634
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:40,960
than re-engineering the entire generator
site had we been that far along in the

635
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:45,760
project.
However, there is still another entity

636
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:52,079
that um that will that I'll that I'll
get to in just a minute. But the

637
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:58,559
contract was originally this 5.29 29
for for the construction and and that is

638
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:01,599
um that number is no longer a viable
number because we're two years later

639
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:06,160
than what we had originally bid this.
So, I'm going to get into some one of

640
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:12,240
some of those additional costs are
unless you guys have some questions

641
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:17,759
about what I've gone through so far.
>> I think we're okay right now. Okay.

642
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:21,759
» Anyone questions at this point? Okay.
So the main drivers in the budget and

643
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:26,319
the cost differences from what we
originally had planned and now uh were

644
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:30,400
some of the things that Mark had
mentioned the delays in the generator

645
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:33,679
site acquisition and the rightway. So
because we had engineering in place when

646
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,520
we originally bid this in order to be
able to put a bid in we had a line route

647
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:41,440
engineered
and when the delay happened with the

648
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:45,600
site acquisition and Pocahontas Land
came back and said no you can't go that

649
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:49,040
way we had to go back and re-engineer
it. And while we were doing that, we did

650
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:55,279
the environmental study which found a
bat habitat along that route. So, um

651
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:59,199
that's that's on the second part of it.
But so we re-engineered it a second time

652
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:04,239
to avoid the mining permit and to avoid
the bat habitat. Um but it was because

653
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:08,799
of the delays in the agreement that got
signed with Pocahontas Land was the

654
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:13,199
reason why we got so far behind on that.
Um

655
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:17,839
um and so the but the right-of-way
agreement for the line route from the

656
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:22,480
substation to the generator site was a
pretty agreeable number. I think it was

657
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,839
does anybody remember 17
>> 17

658
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:29,600
» $17,000 for the rightway from the
generator site all the way to the

659
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:33,120
substation. That would be a three or
$400,000

660
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:39,040
right away anywhere else, but they were
agreeable uh to do that for that.

661
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:45,279
So the re-engineering costs due to the
the mining permit restrictions and the

662
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:52,319
environmental findings are the two main
drivers in the costs and the delays.

663
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:56,560
Our current projection of of the in cost
increases are between 35 and 40% for the

664
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,360
construction and engineering. So the
Mercury 50 has already been purchased.

665
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:05,600
It's on the on site in in San Diego and
will be transported um as soon as it's

666
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:10,080
feasible to get it out here. whatever
makes the most sense. We're making those

667
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:14,480
arrangements, but we have had to um make
arrangements for long-term preservation

668
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:18,239
due to the nature of the delays because
the Mercury 50 generator is ready to

669
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:22,640
receive now and if we were ready with
everything else, we could go ahead and

670
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:28,239
install it, but the we have delays with
the permitting

671
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:34,320
um that were caused by all of the issues
that I've mentioned previously. But the

672
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:38,640
the 35 to 40% additional cost for
construction and engineering is is

673
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:41,520
mainly listed out here for the line
route. On the additional poles after the

674
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:46,400
re-engineering, we originally planned
for 119 poles. Uh on the on the original

675
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:51,360
line route, we're now looking at over
200 poles to make this work. Um the

676
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,560
conductor length is roughly the same.
Sorry.

677
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,640
» How long is that route now from point A
to B?

678
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:00,000
» It's still four and a half miles. It's
just it has to go through a different

679
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:04,640
route and it requires different pole
length and just it's more complicated.

680
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:09,600
The spans are shorter on some of them so
the poles are closer together. It just

681
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:14,640
roughly 200 and some poles.
>> What is your new number? I know you're

682
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,199
saying 35 to 40% increase. What is your
new number on that?

683
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:20,320
» I don't have a specific number. What
we've gone back to because we're waiting

684
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:23,920
on the engineering to still come in,
waiting for the site engineering itself

685
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:26,960
to come back. I can't give you a new
construction and road building and all

686
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:31,440
those costs. I can't give you what those
new numbers are until that is completely

687
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:35,120
finalized and the permits actually come
back um saying that we can do everything

688
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:39,760
that we've planned on doing because
we've lined out the construction route

689
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:43,280
for the permit um but we can't submit
the overall point per permit because

690
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:47,920
it's a joint application in the state of
Virginia and the storm water because we

691
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:52,640
had such a delay with the with the
mineral rights on the on the piece of

692
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:57,199
property which still aren't resolved.
um

693
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:02,080
we we can't give you those new costs.
So, what I do have is a new line route

694
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:06,640
cost, which is roughly one and a half to
$2 million more for the line route

695
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:13,600
itself because of the additional cost in
in the in the labor in the poles itself.

696
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:18,320
» Um and it's and and it's listed here.
>> It's almost double the polls, right?

697
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:25,199
» So, so but but that's the only number
that we really have that we can apply to

698
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:28,320
The overall is really just the
>> which is the majority of the project is

699
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:33,840
the line route. But
>> so we're looking at at least $1.5

700
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:37,760
million additional
>> probably.

701
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:41,440
» And is that already built into this cost
or are you going to come back to us and

702
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:45,120
ask us to
>> pay? There's no there's going to have

703
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,040
because we part of it is going to come
from contingency and part of it we're

704
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:51,840
going to have to come up with or the
town.

705
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:57,440
» Yeah. So I'll back up just one slide
here to take a look at that. So um if

706
01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:01,520
you just look at 35 to 40% and that's
the initial estimate that I have based

707
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:05,920
on the information that I have
>> um that would be somewhere around 7

708
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:10,880
million7 to $8 million for the
construction and we already have 5.2 to

709
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:17,280
in the budget
um to do that and that includes $542,000

710
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:21,600
of a contingency. But what we're trying
to do to mitigate that is work with

711
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:26,719
Amler to get the $2 million that they
had allocated so that that monies can go

712
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:30,080
towards the line route construction
and stay in compliance. We have to be

713
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,800
Americanmade equipment poles and labor
and prevailing wage and all the things

714
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,800
that they want. So, there's a lot of
hoops that we have to jump through to

715
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:41,840
qualify for that $2 million.
And we're going to try to avoid

716
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:44,880
everything we can to to um to keep
additional costs from you guys having to

717
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:48,960
go out and borrow anything else. But
this $2 million is not guaranteed

718
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,520
either. So, I can't I can't tell. There
will be additional costs. Where the

719
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:56,000
money's come from is what we're trying
to work on on your behalf on a

720
01:13:54,080 --> 01:14:01,120
consistent basis. But
>> and and to that premise, we never

721
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:05,040
planned that Amler money because we
didn't know for sure. It was never a

722
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:09,520
guarantee. That was hope that we got
that grant money. So that money was

723
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:16,400
always and Ronnie can tell you that we
never we never pinpointed that and said

724
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:20,719
» correct.
>> But on the good news front on that, they

725
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:25,679
did revert back to where we could use
the less strenuous guidelines for the

726
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,800
Amler. They put it they put us to the
new pro I'm sorry they went forward with

727
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:32,880
that instead of backwards. They put us
to the Trump guidelines on the Amler

728
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:37,920
program which makes it much easier. And
if if the only other good thing that

729
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:41,360
comes from a delay and this is why
initially we were hopeful to get the

730
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,840
Amler money but we didn't think it was
reality is because you have to have you

731
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:49,440
can't start construction.
>> That's that's the good point. Like if we

732
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:54,320
had been on schedule,
>> then we we wouldn't get the AML money.

733
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:57,199
» All this stuff on the site, you wouldn't
have been able to get the AMR money

734
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,040
because we'd already be in construction
already.

735
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,640
» So hopefully
>> jump through the hoop. So there's a

736
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:06,800
delay. It brings in money.
>> So hopefully, yeah, if we can if we can

737
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:11,679
secure the Amler money hopefully, then
that offsets, you know, the majority of

738
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:15,280
this uh this overage. Their money has
gotten easier to get when they rolled

739
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:19,360
back the restrictions on on what we had
to comply with NEPwise. But

740
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,840
» but we did have it at one point. We had
to forfeit that money because we weren't

741
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,040
ready.
>> No, no, no, no, no,

742
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:28,400
» no. They would they had not allocated
any money. You guys hadn't even been

743
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:31,600
accepted into the program. I mean, I
worked through the late the Department

744
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:38,239
of Energy and talked to the Amler folks
when we originally were involved and um

745
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:41,280
there had been some due diligence done
on the town of Richlands, but there was

746
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:44,239
no formal acceptance letter and you guys
had no money earmarked. I mean, they had

747
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,040
planned on giving you guys some money,
but there was no

748
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,640
» they had approved our project in
controving your project. It wasn't even

749
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,040
officially approved or they would have
issued guys a conditional letter of

750
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:58,000
approval.
>> I just I remember we were involved in

751
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:01,840
one of their press releases about
that we were basically going to get the

752
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:06,960
money and a former town manager said we
had to forego that money at that point

753
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,679
and then reapply.
>> Yeah. Well, we did because you guys we

754
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,520
couldn't I mean
>> Yeah. couldn't take it because we

755
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:19,520
weren't Yeah. Um and since you had
brought up the mineral rights,

756
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:24,960
» what's going to happen if we they never
agree if that's never resolved?

757
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:29,360
Well, that is, you know, for you guys to
decide how you have to move forward with

758
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:34,159
that. Um, I can't tell you exactly how
to move forward with that. I I know that

759
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:39,360
that when the mining company came in and
wanted to mine underneath the pad itself

760
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:44,719
that Embbridge got got notification and
it paused them for about five months on

761
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:50,239
their engineering, would not do any more
engineering on Eur's behalf. And that is

762
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:53,520
a major major delay. Um, and getting
those guys up and going again. They're

763
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,880
about to finalize their agreement, but
there is a piece of the agreement that

764
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,800
you all you all will have to finalize
for yourselves if that's how you choose

765
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:04,880
to proceed. So that all of the
engineering that we have done on the

766
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:09,840
generator site itself is for is is not
for not because if we engineer that then

767
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:13,040
all those dollars when they take that
coal out from underneath that, no matter

768
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:16,400
what suitable fuel they put back in
there, it'll all have to be restudied

769
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,920
from a storm water perspective. It'll
all have to get restudied from

770
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,120
engineering so that we can actually put
the generator at the correct elevation

771
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:27,840
because like I previously mentioned
there's everything is GPS located on

772
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:31,520
site. You can't just
>> and and it has a specific elevation that

773
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,679
it goes in and everything is pinpointed
to a specific location and the

774
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:39,520
arrangement of the equipment is based on
um everything being where it's supposed

775
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,800
to and even the conductivity of the soil
has to get studied for the grounding

776
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:46,960
that has to be done for the generator
itself. So if

777
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:54,640
» to that specific point, I I think that
we should direct um Mike and Mr. Maher

778
01:17:51,760 --> 01:18:00,239
to reach out to Blackstone. I think it's
appropriate timing now because you're

779
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:02,880
saying that you've gotten your knowledge
is they're pretty close to an agreement.

780
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,640
» Yes.
>> And so I think we should direct them to

781
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:13,199
reach out to them and see if we can get
the agreement now that they won't mine

782
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:18,159
under our site. And so the the the kind
of the the delineation between the rich

783
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:22,320
town of Richlands being protected and
Embridge being protected is 65 ft

784
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:26,560
outside of their rightway. So the
agreement that Blackstone is getting in

785
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:30,480
place or has almost completely gotten in
place with IBridge

786
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:36,320
protects
pipeline and 65 ft outside of that

787
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:42,560
pipeline. Anything that falls 65 feet
outside greater than 65 feet is that's

788
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,800
on the pad is something that Richlands
will have to secure that for themselves.

789
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:49,199
» So that agreement would cons would it
would cover portion of our pad not the

790
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,000
whole
>> but not the whole pad. Right.

791
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:56,719
» That's correct.
>> How would we cover the whole pad?

792
01:18:54,239 --> 01:19:01,600
» We get separate the the lease with
Pocahontas land. You just need to secure

793
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:06,320
that one section so that it doesn't get
mined. and they've I they've already

794
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:10,000
told us that they won't mind that, but
we just need to get that in writing.

795
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:14,000
» Well, it's it's really a couple million
dollar gamble on whether the engineering

796
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:18,080
has to be redone again. If they do,
>> I don't think that they have any desire

797
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:23,239
to do that from the conversation that
I've had. So, I think

798
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:30,400
is going to do that, but but while
you're at it, if they're already signing

799
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:34,880
documents to say they're not going to do
it, it if their word is true, then why

800
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,159
would they not hold up and extend
something to the town?

801
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,880
» I've said the exact same thing. But
>> but that's that's really what we're

802
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:44,080
talking about here. If if that doesn't
get secured, then it's just the risk

803
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:48,159
that you take on putting all this
infrastructure in there

804
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,000
» and then having to redo something.
>> You really have to have that.

805
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:56,239
» Yeah,
>> I believe so. I would also I don't mind

806
01:19:53,040 --> 01:20:03,040
to direct them to do that, but I would
also like us to make a decision that if

807
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:08,080
they don't sign that, we hold off on
putting that in because like these

808
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:13,040
gentlemen just told us, that's a couple
million dollar gamble on putting a

809
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:17,920
generator if we don't have that
agreement.

810
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:21,920
» What's that in the CNX, which I feel
like is done. That's sort of the

811
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:25,440
question I have is how close are we on
that?

812
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:28,159
» We have a number that they gave us. I
did call

813
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:32,480
» the funds to do it.
>> I called Mike about that today

814
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,640
» and Mike, I don't mean to speak for you,
but he you said that basically you've

815
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,400
you've sent several emails and I gave
him a different contact number there

816
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:45,679
today to reach out to. Yeah, I've I've
had talks with CNX and they told me they

817
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:49,679
had an attorney out of Pennsylvania that
was going to draft up an agreement and I

818
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:55,040
have not seen it and I've seen emails to
follow up on that and haven't seen any

819
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:57,520
» any document from them since I think it
was right around Thanksgiving time when

820
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,080
they
>> told me they would have me something and

821
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:04,480
I still haven't seen anything.
>> Well, I'm just saying like to to me

822
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:08,000
right just being completely and totally
honest. This is the risk of this is the

823
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:13,199
risk.
>> I couldn't hear you. Sorry.

824
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:17,040
» I said to me, this is this is the risk
to the project. It's this it's delays.

825
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:22,000
» Mhm.
>> Uh because not finalizing the an

826
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:26,320
agreement to where we can move forward
to do what we need to do. It's as you

827
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:34,400
can tell with that clearing window
that's only November to March. Um, it

828
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:38,719
there is on the long side a six-month
time period from the time that we go

829
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:45,120
ahead and say finish up the storm water
permit, finish up the the engineering

830
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:47,760
for the pad so that we can build it.
It's a six-month window.

831
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:53,600
» Mhm.
>> On the long side, 3 months to six

832
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:57,199
months. We're in February, right? So 6
months is

833
01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:02,800
» August. So, it's one of those things
like there is no higher priority than

834
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:06,159
driving these things home. You know what
I'm saying? If you got to find the

835
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,679
dude's address in Pennsylvania and go up
there and sit in front of his office,

836
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:15,199
like that's what has to happen because
there isn't time to send emails and wait

837
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:19,679
and then let's follow up with it in a
few weeks. Like, this is like time is of

838
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:25,280
the essence. And if we get this and
there's nothing stopping us um from

839
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:31,600
getting this right and knocking it out
of the park for real like we what what

840
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:37,760
what we've found out is that there is
like we asked for the contracts from day

841
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:41,199
one right Ronnie everybody knows guys
can we see the contracts we want to see

842
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:48,239
the power contracts we got to dig into
these power contracts we didn't get them

843
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:51,280
we never got them GDS got them about
what 8 nine months ago.

844
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:57,199
» It was around the same time
>> GDS GDS got the contracts when they put

845
01:22:54,880 --> 01:23:02,800
together their pro-form about how to
dispatch the unit. And in that we

846
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:10,239
figured out that the town only has the
availability to to buy or produce or

847
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:15,360
whatever 37% of their power. Of all the
power that the town needs, 63% of it is

848
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:20,719
under contract. and it's under the
contract to the tune of $150 a megawatt

849
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,560
on average. That's 15 cents a kilowatt
hour. That's not good.

850
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:29,360
» So, what else we going to do with your
project?

851
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:32,320
» So, no. So, we're, you know, um, so I
don't know if you want to go through any

852
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:36,080
of this anymore.
>> So, I mean, I've already kind of touched

853
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:39,520
on each of these, but this is, you know,
the storm water permit is planning on

854
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,560
being submitted in March. They're
they're doing field studies right now

855
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,679
that should be submitted in March. Mhm.
>> So that's a 3 to six month approval

856
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:49,840
window. We've been talks with the
tobacco commission. They act like they

857
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:53,280
can put some pressure on politically on
them to get some of these permits

858
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:57,360
returned back in 3 months which helps us
speed up our construction timeline. Uh

859
01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:00,639
if it doesn't then, you know, they won't
do the hot tap after October 1st.

860
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:04,239
There's a lot of other deadlines that
we, you know, that we run into. If it

861
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:08,159
takes the full six months between the
back clearing window and when Embbridge

862
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:13,679
can tap their pipeline, we won't even be
able to start construction until

863
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:18,159
uh well into 27. So that's why I
mentioned that Q4 27 is a best case

864
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:22,560
scenario with all of these
>> Q4. I'm lost.

865
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:25,120
» Q fourth quarter 2027. Q4. I'm sorry.
Yes, I

866
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:30,320
» I was thinking Q4. What is that?
February 4th. Thank you. I got you. Q

867
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:35,199
quarter 4. Got it. Thank you.
I have to be explained to.

868
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:38,239
» That's okay. I appreciate it. Maybe I
needed to annunciate, Mayor.

869
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:42,000
» No, no, you're fine. You're fine.
>> So, these are kind of everything I've

870
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:46,480
touched on. It's just all kind of in one
place. We're we we're scheduling the

871
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:49,840
Mercury 50 for delivery. This tells you
the rightway clearing window for the bat

872
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,920
habitat. That's where that comes into
play. That's why we can only clear from

873
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:57,920
November to March. Um tells you that
that's pretty much everything we had

874
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:01,040
discussed. But the but the f the risks
are further delays with the land rights.

875
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:05,280
If we don't get that locked up with the
mineral rights, we don't get the CM CNX

876
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,880
permit, then all the engineering can
kind of go out the window if we don't

877
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:12,800
secure those. Unless the town feels
comfortable moving forward without

878
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:19,520
those, but that's at your discretion.
>> So the everything about this that's on

879
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:23,760
here is really uh something that we're
that that we can't do until these are

880
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:27,360
secured.
>> Mhm.

881
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:31,040
» Okay. So, it's not at all like, well, we
just want to start it, but we can't.

882
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:35,679
That's why I'm saying that's why I'm
trying to put a lot of emphasis on this.

883
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:38,480
This is a huge deal that we drive this
other stuff and finish it up. And I

884
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:42,320
don't think it's going to take a
tremendous amount of effort. I think the

885
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:46,880
work on it is basically done. People
have agreed. We've got prices. We've got

886
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:52,400
the stuff that we need to do. We're
ready to send them a check. But it's

887
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:57,840
like until the paperwork is done, we
don't want to do go any further on the

888
01:25:55,679 --> 01:26:02,719
town's behalf because the reality of it
is we already are. Like Zach had

889
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:09,679
mentioned before, we're operating
extremely out of scope for what we are d

890
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:16,080
for what we uh went under contract to do
because we're acting as an agent for the

891
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:19,600
you know for rich lands and these types
of things are what we're losing sleep at

892
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:21,840
night over
>> because we don't have any control over

893
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:27,679
» mayor
>> and we are uh extremely personally

894
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:34,000
invested in what's going on here.
>> Yes. And um so this is critical. So uh

895
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:38,560
you know there is plenty of actual good
news though based off of where we

896
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:43,120
actually are and the fact that we only
have 37% of the power available to do

897
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:49,280
something about unless we get him to
modify some of these contracts. But what

898
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:52,800
we did we hired a group because GDS was
the group that came in and said okay

899
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:56,320
well you got to do this dispatch in a
different way based on these contracts

900
01:26:54,400 --> 01:27:04,320
and this and that. So we went out to a
group PNCAT who runs economic dispatch

901
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:10,480
models for these specific turbines in
multiple locations and said hey how

902
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:15,360
would you dispatch this unit
>> for the town of Richlands based on

903
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:20,800
historical data. So they went back a
year, they took the same turbine, they

904
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:26,800
plugged it into a year, another model,
and they said, "Here is worst case

905
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:29,280
scenario because based off of the uh the
way that the contracts are written, so

906
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:34,239
what we haven't seen, there's an
appendix B that we need for all of these

907
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:38,800
contracts that tells you when you're
allowed to buy power, dispatch power,

908
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:45,440
whatever else." So what we have done is
assumed that you can't pick when you

909
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:50,480
dispatch the unit or when you use the
power that you have under contract.

910
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:56,320
Okay. So they modeled everything um they
modeled everything under a a worst case

911
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:59,679
scenario. And um
>> Mark, are you telling us that Blue Ridge

912
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,920
still hasn't provided all of the
addendums to the contract?

913
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,520
» No.
>> I have a question. What was the name of

914
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:08,800
the company you said you sought out for
another opinion? Pinat.

915
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,840
» How do you spell that?
>> Uh, P E N C A T.

916
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,560
» Oh, thank you.
>> And I don't know, is there another

917
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,000
division of them that
>> Time out. Time out.

918
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:23,280
» Yeah.
>> Mr. Moore, tomorrow, can you call Blige

919
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:29,360
and demand that we get all the
appendixes to the contract? We have

920
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:32,960
literally asked them a hund,000 times
for this. I didn't know that. I'm sorry.

921
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:37,040
I didn't know that you guys didn't have
that. But the fact that they're not

922
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:42,080
providing all of the information to us
is ridiculous. Please ask for all the

923
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:46,239
appendix. If there's more, if there's
appendix B and C, whatever, I don't

924
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:52,639
care. But make sure we get all of it
because that seems very suspicious that

925
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:56,159
they provided us the contracts less one
of the appendixes. You You got them,

926
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,360
didn't you, Ronnie? They emailed them to
you.

927
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,960
» Yeah.
>> And you forwarded everything we had to

928
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:04,239
them. So they have the copy. They have
the the same version that we have of the

929
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:09,199
contract. Okay. Yes.
>> But that appendix B tells you when you

930
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:16,639
can buy when you you know that and so
we're have with this we're saying we

931
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:19,440
can't buy at the right time. Right. So u
so

932
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:21,760
» can you make that bigger please?
>> Which which way?

933
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:25,080
» If I'm wrong.
>> That's crazy.

934
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:35,120
» Why would you not give us
>> I'm sorry. I think

935
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:40,400
I'm sorry, just so you know, I I mean it
happens because I asked for the quantum

936
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:47,280
contract and ironically it was missing
um exhibit B and it was it was not

937
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:50,719
intentional. It wasn't suspicious or
anything. It just it happened.

938
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:55,040
» I understand. But the difference with
this is is that multiple people

939
01:29:53,199 --> 01:30:00,159
requested this from Blue Ridge on
multiple occasions and they never

940
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:05,840
provided anything. And then when they do
provide it conveniently, the exact piece

941
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:12,080
of information that we need is left out.
>> I for me I like I want you guys in the

942
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,960
same room as GDS.
I've there's no

943
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,920
» but they've been in the same room as
GDS. They

944
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:27,520
» spent time not with us.
>> Um so I'm pretty lost on where we are

945
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:32,080
with um the generator where we are right
now. So, I've got a little bit of

946
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:38,560
frustration
stemming from that and more questions

947
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:43,920
than other people because I've not been
kept up to date or informed or whatever.

948
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:50,480
So, for me, I want to have a
conversation with you guys and GDS and

949
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:52,800
Blue Ridge. Um, but we can't arrange
that. Uh,

950
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:57,600
» I'm sorry.
>> You can't? Why?

951
01:30:54,480 --> 01:31:01,679
Um, it's only myself and Gary Jackson
who would like to see that happen. The

952
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:05,199
we I don't have a majority vote on the
council to

953
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:09,679
» it cost us like six grand every time
that they come.

954
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:13,760
» It's up to $1,800. And I feel like we
could take that out of the the

955
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:17,520
contingency money even, but just to have
a conversation. So, if we're all in the

956
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:21,199
same room, right, we could look at them
and say, "Hey, have you not given them

957
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:25,440
this cuz this is what they're waiting
on." and they you guys could look at

958
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:28,880
them and say we need this and we could
say give it to them. You know what I'm

959
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:33,600
saying? Um because like and you're
really emphasizing

960
01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:39,120
time is of the essence here. Um we have
missed the clearing window last year,

961
01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:44,960
right? Um and I'm not pointing fingers
or blaming anybody. A lot of that lays

962
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,719
on us because again we're just not in
the same room talking about it at the

963
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:50,800
same
>> but none of that none of us missing that

964
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:54,960
clearing window lays on anybody. Doesn't
lay on us. So it doesn't lay on them.

965
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:58,159
» Was crazy out there. I mean, we thought,
oh, look, here's a great spot.

966
01:31:56,639 --> 01:32:02,400
» Yeah, it's the middle of nowhere.
>> The gas line is coming through here.

967
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:06,880
There's some electrical infrastructure,
some roads to tap off of. And then next

968
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:10,080
thing you know, it's like, oh, there's
five different interests on this tiny

969
01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:14,639
little piece of
>> I'm sorry that happened. I would say

970
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:18,719
research would help that. Let's go on.
If you don't mind, gentlemen, I

971
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:21,280
appreciate what you're doing. We can say
all day who didn't send this and that

972
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,800
and that. That doesn't solve anything
right now. So, can we move forward with

973
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:27,280
what we're doing? Thank you.
>> Sure. Um,

974
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:33,120
» thank you very much.
>> So, um,

975
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:37,360
so I know Pinat has talked with GDS.
They've gotten some information from

976
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:40,960
them, but PINCAT is, just so you know,
these aren't some consultants that we

977
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:44,960
hired that kind of fluffed up some
stuff. They're the ones who are actually

978
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:49,360
helping set the controls. They're
working with power engineers and working

979
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:53,840
with solar to set up the controls for
the unit for the dispatch. So they're an

980
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:56,400
integral part of what we're doing here.
>> Okay.

981
01:32:54,320 --> 01:33:01,040
» And the dispatch model, not the came
from GDS. So the economic dispatch of

982
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:04,480
the generator was the idea that got
thrown out by GDS and what changed

983
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:08,639
everything for us from the base load
operation that we originally had planned

984
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:12,000
to this economic dispatch.
>> But now we have the numbers to back up

985
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:17,840
what the economic dispatch would look
like. And the reason for the shift from

986
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:22,639
a base load run, you know what I mean by
a base load run? It's just running and

987
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:28,639
we're not up and down and on and off to
uh to a dispatch model. Is this 63% of

988
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:31,360
the power is already under contract?
>> Now, were you aware of this when you

989
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:33,600
started the project?
>> No, sir.

990
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:38,000
» I just was curious. There were some
blocks of power

991
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:42,400
» that were that was you know 2 megawatt
were coming offline and then later on

992
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:45,120
there was more that was coming offline
but we had no idea I don't know if

993
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:50,639
anybody did
>> of the the level of these long-term

994
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,800
contracts that weren't going anywhere
you know

995
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:57,760
» I mean I don't mean to interrupt but
mayor we we all sat in the room you were

996
01:33:54,719 --> 01:34:04,239
there Allen's Allen was here everybody
but no one no one said 63% of our power

997
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:07,920
not in one meeting. Not one time ever
did someone say, "Well, we're already

998
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:13,199
obligated on 63% of our power." That
includes Blue Ridge, GDS, no one.

999
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:17,920
» Yeah. I mean, I would have been turned
completely away from it, honestly. If it

1000
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:22,159
was like if if we had looked into it and
said, "Hey, there's only 37% of the

1001
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:25,520
power that's even available at offset."
I' been like, "Well, that's

1002
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:30,320
» and I understand your frustration,
right?" But anyway, we we are okay.

1003
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:36,000
That's the beautiful thing. So this is
set to only dispatch when the p when the

1004
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:39,760
when you could is this to make is that
what is this the the dispatch margin is

1005
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:43,679
that when it's over seven cents.
>> So when the the dispatch margin is when

1006
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:49,840
it's seven cents profitable for you all
to run over what you would pay on on

1007
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:53,440
market for that power and two hours back
to back where you where the generator

1008
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:56,560
would would run because this isn't just
a motor that you just turn the key and

1009
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:59,520
it starts up. It takes a little while to
start up.

1010
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:04,239
» And so what's been modeled in here is
that it it went back and looked at your

1011
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:08,080
data at your pricing from the last year
and when it was seven cents more

1012
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:12,480
profitable to run this than it was to
buy it on the open market and for two

1013
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:16,400
consecutive hours. That's what's being
hardcoded in here. Then the generator

1014
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:21,120
will run. That's the only time it's
running. So I mean it was, you know, the

1015
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:25,040
hours of operation.
So it's a very

1016
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:29,440
» 2400 hours as opposed to
>> all all year, right?

1017
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:34,480
» Cost to make the power all in. What's
the all in number? So 4.46.

1018
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:38,480
When we came in here the very first
time, we said that we can make power for

1019
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:44,080
about 5 cents all in.
>> It's actually 4.5 cents.

1020
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:48,239
» Okay. So the bottom line is is that
running it this way when you have that

1021
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:52,719
type of a margin and for two hours
minimum, you know, the 10ear savings is

1022
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:57,440
right at about 10 million. I mean, right
at about $20 million.

1023
01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:02,719
» Is that including our debt service?
>> That's not including any debt service.

1024
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:07,120
And so here's where it gets a little bit
better, right? We've already engineered

1025
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:12,320
everything for the site. We've already
engineered everything at the at the

1026
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:17,679
substation, the line, the conductor, the
generator site, everything is sized for

1027
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:23,120
a second generator. Okay. So,
>> the the the thing to understand here is

1028
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:27,920
that you only have a maximum of about I
think it's 8.8 somewhere around 9

1029
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:31,920
megawatt load that you can service.
Okay. So, the most that you can really

1030
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:37,520
install right now,
>> the most that you can install without

1031
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:40,639
uh you know, going over that would
really be a second generator. You know,

1032
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:45,280
it works out to where it's like almost
perfect for another one. So,

1033
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:49,199
uh I'm not going to pretend to know
exactly right now what the cost of that

1034
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:56,719
would be. I'm going to project that. But
I know that the the 10-year savings on

1035
01:36:51,920 --> 01:37:01,199
that is 35 million. And that would allow
you to completely offset your mortgage

1036
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:07,199
purchases
because you would use your taker

1037
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:12,000
contracts for even if it wasn't the best
time to use it, you could use those and

1038
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:16,000
you could offset the rest. You know,
you're peak shaving a good amount of the

1039
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:19,520
time, which is where you're saving this.
You know, this right here is $ three and

1040
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:22,880
a half million dollars because that
almost doubled, right? What is the cap

1041
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:26,000
and trans savings from the previous?
What is it? You go back.

1042
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:29,920
» I'm zoomed in.
>> Okay. So, it's like $2 million. Do you

1043
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:33,440
know what this cap and trans is?
>> No.

1044
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:39,840
» It's not it's not energy related. It's
literally your cap your uh your capacity

1045
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:45,199
charge and your transmission charge to
get the power. So, it's literally a fee

1046
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:48,639
you're paying to not even use any
electricity.

1047
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:55,199
» Can we stop right there? And Ronnie,
there's Ronnie in here. So, if we're

1048
01:37:50,639 --> 01:38:00,000
offsetting $2 million a year, that would
completely offset our debt service.

1049
01:37:57,679 --> 01:38:04,320
Correct. if we're saving $2 million a
year, which is the initial proposal of

1050
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:09,440
this whole thing was that we could
completely offset the debt service on

1051
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:14,080
the project by the savings from the
project, which is exactly with one

1052
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:19,360
generator. What that does, it more than
offsets the total annual debt payment

1053
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:23,440
with $2 million in savings.
>> All right, so go to the next slide

1054
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:29,440
again. Okay, so that's your that's your
tenure, right? And then u you know

1055
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:33,119
that's completely offsetting this. And
here's the other thing that kind of goes

1056
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:36,639
along with the people who economic
development or whatever. There's

1057
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:41,440
absolutely nothing stopping you from
coming in and bringing in somebody that

1058
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:45,840
uses a megawatt or 2 megawws and saying
hey we're going to lock you in at this

1059
01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:49,520
you can come in and use this space.
We're going to sell you power at 8 cents

1060
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:54,960
or 8 1/2 cents or whatever you want to
sell power for in a locked in contract.

1061
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:59,119
There's still available power to use
here because you're not using it all up.

1062
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:03,760
You're still the generator. There's
still what what is the usage? Any idea

1063
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:11,159
what the percentage usage is on this?
>> No, but I feel like it still has hours

1064
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:11,159
or anyway. So, go to the next slide.

1065
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:20,560
» Go to the next slide though.
So, here's where it gets super

1066
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:25,040
interesting, right? With two generators.
This is calculations used by the people

1067
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:28,960
who were setting up the
>> setting up the all the parameters on the

1068
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:36,119
generator.
>> Almost 120 million.

1069
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:36,119
» One second. We'll get this fixed.

1070
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:42,880
» We apologize for that technical problem.
>> Go ahead, Mr. Romano.

1071
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:49,520
» No, I was just saying here's your 10ear
number. Same thing. 34.

1072
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:56,239
As the cap and trans goes up, like it's
scheduled to keep going up,

1073
01:39:52,800 --> 01:40:01,199
it's exponential. 20 years from now,
a 4x on your on your on your capex.

1074
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,440
» Mhm.
>> Huge win.

1075
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:06,960
» That's with
>> that's with two

1076
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,480
» two general. Okay. Well, we working on
the first one.

1077
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,320
» Yes, sir.
>> Just to be clear.

1078
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:14,400
» Yes, sir.
>> We asked them to do this when in two two

1079
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:18,000
or three meetings ago. We asked them
what does the number we asked what does

1080
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,239
it look like
>> with two we had asked Mark to do this

1081
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:24,639
that's
>> half it's roughly half on

1082
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:27,119
» on on on the one
>> okay

1083
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:30,239
» but you can see that this is the the
same information that we got from GDS

1084
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:33,199
and the cap and trans is really where
you're saving the most money. you see on

1085
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:37,440
the generation itself, you're saving
about threequarters of a million dollars

1086
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:41,040
a year, but the cap the capacity avoided
and the transmission costs that are

1087
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:44,239
avoided are where you're saving the most
money. And that was what was on that

1088
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:47,760
upward trend that we originally talked
about in one of the very first meetings.

1089
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:52,639
» Do do you all understand that? And I'm
I'm not trying to to dumb this down, but

1090
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:56,639
what what he's talking about is the
reason that this project is so

1091
01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:00,239
beneficial is we own this line route
that we're engineering. We own 4 and a

1092
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:05,440
half miles of line route. So when we
generate for 4.5 cents, we generate it

1093
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:09,119
at the site and we deliver it here. It
doesn't cost us a penny. If we were to

1094
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:14,639
if if somebody stepped up today and
said, "We'll sell you power at 4.5

1095
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:18,480
cents." That'd be awesome, but it don't
cost us 4.5 cents because then we got to

1096
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:22,800
pay 10 cents
>> to get it here.

1097
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:27,520
» So then you're at 14 to 16 cents. That's
why this is such an exponential win

1098
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:31,280
because we own the lines. We generate
the power for four and a half cents and

1099
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:36,239
it delivers to our our transfer station
or our substation rather for the same

1100
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:38,880
amount. That's what he that's the
difference.

1101
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:43,280
» I get that. Thanks. The real issue is we
don't own the land.

1102
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:46,159
» And what else? Keep going. I'm listening
intently.

1103
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:50,320
» I don't think that there's I I think
that we're right there. We just can't

1104
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:54,480
» I'm just asking,
>> you know, I just The only thing holding

1105
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:58,080
us back right now is finalizing the
agreements. That's it.

1106
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:02,159
» Yeah. finalizing the agreement. The guys
from Blackstone seemed very agreeable.

1107
01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:05,520
I'm just being honest
>> from the very beginning. They didn't

1108
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:09,280
they didn't seem like there was any
intent in holding anything up with the

1109
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:13,840
town causing any issues. Definitely
weren't going to do it. They had an

1110
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:17,679
economic situation played that they're,
you know, working with Embridge and that

1111
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,639
seems to be done. I think that's the
perfect time to get something papered up

1112
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,239
and done with them.
>> Yes, sir. You know, I mean, there's

1113
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:27,600
nothing stopping us from just saying,
"Go ahead and finish all the

1114
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:32,960
engineering, finish all the other stuff,
get ready to turn in the permits, but

1115
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:36,080
it's that's at a risk to you, you guys."
>> You see what I'm saying?

1116
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:40,239
» And and it's not a necessary it's not a
negative thing to not own the land. If

1117
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:46,880
you draw a circle to determine where we
need to be, the problem with that is is

1118
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:49,600
that Pocahontas land owns 99% of all the
land. Mhm.

1119
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:53,119
» Because we have to have access to the
gas,

1120
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:56,800
» access to the to the line route. But a
long-term lease, there's people who you

1121
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:59,920
go to exit 7 or you can go to the
pinnacle. There's people who build

1122
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:03,840
buildings, mil multi-million dollar
buildings on land that they don't own.

1123
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:07,440
That's that's a common occurrence in
business. It's this whole thought that

1124
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:11,119
we have to own the land. We don't have
>> it that way. S I want to clarify that

1125
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:15,840
point because I've heard that over and
over

1126
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:19,840
from that pipeline was going to be super
expensive. Exactly. This puts us in the

1127
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:23,199
closest proximity and as long as we're
in a long-term lease, which we exactly

1128
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:27,679
what we what we have with Pocahontas
Land, we have a long-term lease. The key

1129
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:30,880
being if we have this agreement laid out
with Blackstone, then we have an

1130
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:33,840
agreement with Pocahontas, we have an
agreement with Blackstone that no one's

1131
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:37,600
going to mine under our site, then we
are secure and it's no different than us

1132
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:40,719
owning land other than we're paying a
lease fee which is built into all of

1133
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:44,159
these numbers.
>> Is are they going to sign the agreement

1134
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:48,080
that they won't mine them? I mean,
that's been their expression to

1135
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:51,840
everybody from day one. I don't know why
they wouldn't. I mean, I think Mike and

1136
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:55,520
and Don reach out to him. And I feel
like we all feel a lot more comfortable

1137
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:58,320
if they did. And I feel like now's the
time for that

1138
01:43:56,480 --> 01:44:01,360
» because if they don't, and I think I
don't want to speak for Mayor Curry, but

1139
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:07,040
I think when he says we don't own the
land, I've expressed that if we don't

1140
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:11,760
have that agreement, they could come
back in a year, 5 years, 10 years, 20

1141
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:14,880
years and say, "Hey, we're going to mine
that land unless you give us

1142
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:18,639
» You heard Mark say he's been in
conversations with them on phone calls

1143
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:22,320
and their whole expression the whole
time has been, "We're not trying to

1144
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:26,159
interfere with what you're doing."
>> Yeah. And I I remember you saying that

1145
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:29,520
that they told you the same thing, but I
it's still

1146
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:32,800
» you want to have something on paper.
>> I I totally agree and that's why that's

1147
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:37,119
why I want to direct these guys and I'll
do it by motion if we need to. But and

1148
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:39,760
that's why I wanted to to recap and
mayor if it's appropriate. I I can put

1149
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:41,520
this some form of motion whatever you
want. But

1150
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:43,920
» I don't think we need a motion. They've
got the

1151
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:47,440
» but they you know they need to number
one and I've given him some other

1152
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:52,639
additional numbers. She's having a hard
time reaching Chuck, but they need to

1153
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:59,360
get that deal completed with with uh
with CX. The second thing, they need to

1154
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:02,320
go ahead and reach out to um Blackstone
and see if they're at a place where they

1155
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:06,560
can do an agreement with us, which I
think they're they will do. And then was

1156
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:10,000
there one other another permit or
something to get the appendixes on the

1157
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:11,600
current contract
>> on the current contract so we know the

1158
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,960
district.
>> So you can do

1159
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:17,840
» so you guys know what you need to do.
Those are the three action items I have

1160
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:22,719
from this discussion so far.
>> But if we get to April, if we get to

1161
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:29,600
April or May and we don't have these
things put to bed, then then we have to

1162
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:33,040
come back and say, uh,
okay guys, are y'all going to not hold

1163
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:38,000
us liable
>> by going ahead and permitting this,

1164
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:42,000
doing all these things, or it's with
that clearing window being as absurd as

1165
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:46,159
it is, it kicks it out a whole another
year.

1166
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:51,360
So, it's just I think it's 100% doable.
I think we got the runway that we need,

1167
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:55,119
but it's going to take some, you know,
perseverance. We're going to have to get

1168
01:45:52,960 --> 01:46:00,400
real serious about this. Push it.
>> Are you guys going to come back to us

1169
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:04,960
for approval for the additional million
and a half, whatever

1170
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:08,639
the cost, the additional cost?
>> Yeah. Once we understand those, we

1171
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:11,840
absolutely will have to. Yeah. I mean it
but it's we have to work through you

1172
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:15,119
know I have to we have to lock up the
land rights before we know before we

1173
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:18,000
feel comfortable giving you the numbers
for a new engineered you know

1174
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:21,360
construction pad and everything else.
The hot tap location means we had to

1175
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:25,760
move a road. I mean I could go on and on
but there were there are quite a few

1176
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:29,280
things about the scope of the entire
project from the line route to the

1177
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:32,800
generator site to all of it that has
dramatically changed since we originally

1178
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:35,679
bid this and as you remember it's been
some time.

1179
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:40,320
» Yeah. And will you be able when will you
be able to give us like an updated date

1180
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:43,199
list like the milestone list?
>> As soon as we have that construction

1181
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:46,239
together as soon as the engineering is
finished then we'll be able to provide a

1182
01:46:44,639 --> 01:46:49,440
much more reasonable estimate of when we
plan to complete.

1183
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:54,080
» And have this might be a question for
Ronnie but have we we were supposed to

1184
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:57,040
make the final payment December of last
year. Have we made all of those payments

1185
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,480
to you guys?
>> We still owe them two payments.

1186
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:03,360
» Two payments. So we we're just two
payments

1187
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:08,080
» about 900,000.
>> And we've paid How much have we paid

1188
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:11,199
thus far? Do you know?
>> Oh, thus far?

1189
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:15,199
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> 15.5 million.

1190
01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:18,560
» But part of that is money that went to
Enbridge

1191
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:21,760
» directly for the hot tap. We were under
contract for 14.

1192
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:26,239
» Yeah. 2.2 went to Inbridge.
>> 2.2 to Enbridge. And

1193
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:31,520
» And those are not all in calls for for
Inbridge either. Those were prepaid

1194
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:34,800
expenses, but the engineering delays and
everything else could end up costing the

1195
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:37,920
town. We don't know. We don't know what
those numbers are until they get done

1196
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,000
with their engineering either. We have
no control.

1197
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:43,119
» Cost more money, too.
>> It could once they settle up at the very

1198
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,760
end of the project once they're
completed. There could be additional

1199
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:51,520
costs that come in from Embridge. I have
no idea or insight into what those would

1200
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:56,880
be. So, I I just have to ask, what
happens if you guys come back to us and

1201
01:47:54,960 --> 01:48:01,760
say, "Okay, this is going to cost
another $3 million."

1202
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:06,880
And a majority of this council says,
"We're going to have to pull out. We we

1203
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:11,760
cannot keep spending money." Um, I know
at one point you guys kind of gave us an

1204
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:18,320
idea of what it would look like to do
that. Um, has that changed at all that

1205
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:22,560
cost?
I don't know that I've got that call to

1206
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:25,760
my mind. Do you did you have something
specific that you gave me?

1207
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:31,760
» I don't remember a number.
>> I don't know. I mean, to me, um, if I

1208
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:37,199
was sitting in y'all's shoes, I would
get very serious about

1209
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:43,679
figuring out what that extra generation
looks like. because I think when it

1210
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:48,320
comes to more grants, when it comes to
um

1211
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:54,960
uh financability, long-term finance
ability, the extra generation is it

1212
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:58,239
breaks the model. That's that's what I
would

1213
01:48:56,080 --> 01:49:03,119
» It's hard just from my perspective, and
I'm only speaking for myself. I'm not

1214
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:08,560
speaking for anyone else. It's hard to
consider a second generator when we

1215
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:12,239
can't get through the first. You know
what I mean? Like once we

1216
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,880
» doing most of the work for a second. Do
you see what I mean?

1217
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:20,159
» Like when you realize it's like
everything except for setting it and

1218
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:25,280
connecting it, you are do you are doing
for both right now. You see, you know,

1219
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:30,000
so it's a matter like like you like you
said in the beginning, you're frustrated

1220
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:33,760
because you hadn't really felt updated
and then you'd like to talk to GDS and

1221
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:37,360
you haven't and so like you're just now
having a conversation with us when most

1222
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:43,199
likely you had a conversation with us. I
think that if you guys took the time or

1223
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:48,480
were able to coordinate the time
>> to to really wrap your head around it, I

1224
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:52,239
think you would. I mean, if it's just to
walk in and decide yes or no on

1225
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:56,239
something, that's not a comfortable
place to be. But I think you could get

1226
01:49:54,560 --> 01:50:00,080
comfortable with it.
>> Uh, if you if we take the time to like

1227
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:05,040
get the right information across,
>> I completely saying, "Hey, I'm making an

1228
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:09,600
educated decision here based on all of
these professionals, you know, but I'm

1229
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:13,920
but I'm just telling you I do understand
it from this side intimately." And

1230
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:21,679
that's the opportunity
>> is to um offset more than 19% of the

1231
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:24,560
available power to offset.
>> Yeah.

1232
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:29,360
» And to not and to double like the cap
and trans number the the you know the

1233
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:34,639
capacity number and the transmission
number that goes up to a $4 million

1234
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:39,440
savings every year. That happens
basically by just putting the available

1235
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:44,960
generation right there.
>> It doesn't even really have to turn on.

1236
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:50,800
That's what's so weird to to offset that
cap in transit.

1237
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:55,119
» I think you're right about like helping
with more updates

1238
01:50:53,119 --> 01:51:00,800
» and and it's not your fault. I mean,
we've it's we've got a responsibility as

1239
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:05,440
well. Um, but I would also ask that when
you do update, and I would say the same

1240
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:10,320
about me, not to just talk to me or any
one member of council, but to update

1241
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:16,080
through the town manager so he can make
sure that that information has been

1242
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:19,920
» I have a I have a I have a bi-weekly
meeting now. Is it It's every two weeks

1243
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:23,280
now, Ronnie. But I I had been in direct
com, you know, I had been in direct

1244
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:26,400
communication with the town with the
town. If not weekly, it was a bi-weekly

1245
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:30,639
update meeting.
>> Question. I appreciate you coming

1246
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:34,719
tonight because we all stand to be um
better informed and it's been very

1247
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:41,360
helpful for me and I speaking for me uh
and I guess for the council um we were

1248
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:45,760
talking about April I forget we hoped to
get something by April. Is it possible

1249
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:52,320
that you could give us monthly updates?
Uh I mean either on Zoom or whatever.

1250
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:58,000
Can you help us so we're uh feelformed?
I mean what is the best approach? Well,

1251
01:51:55,360 --> 01:52:01,760
uh, mayor, I I I'll be glad to do it any
way you would like for me to do it. I

1252
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:05,199
had been updating according to the the
way that the town manager wanted me to

1253
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:09,119
update and I'll be glad to send, you
know, a couple slides on the progress.

1254
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:11,840
Right now, we have these these issues
that have to get worked through before I

1255
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:14,560
can provide anything else and it's kind
of been in that situation for quite some

1256
01:52:13,679 --> 01:52:18,639
time.
>> I mean, I'm What council, would you like

1257
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:21,920
like a monthly update from these people?
I think it'd be really helpful.

1258
01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:24,239
» Council members,
>> I would.

1259
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,599
I can tell.
>> Anybody else want to speak up?

1260
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:32,560
» Being completely honest with you, like
it goes back to until we put these

1261
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:35,599
couple things to bed. Not going to be an
update.

1262
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:39,280
» There's going to be us sitting here like
waiting

1263
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:43,440
» for that to be done so that we can move.
>> I feel confident Mr. Mar is going to be

1264
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:47,520
all over this this week.
>> Not putting no pressure, D.

1265
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:51,440
» Like the call that we have, the
bi-weekly call, is that not something

1266
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:54,239
that you guys can participate in?
>> I didn't know you were doing that. We

1267
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,239
didn't I didn't know you were there.
>> That's been going on since the

1268
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:00,480
beginning.
>> I'm sorry. I just didn't realize it.

1269
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:03,199
» Uh yeah. And so that's you know it's a
>> it's incremental updates rather than

1270
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:07,840
drinking from a fire hose.
>> Majority of the time it's staff and and

1271
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:11,840
then meeting every time. So
>> if I can just I think part of what

1272
01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:16,080
you've got is you've had nine town
managers in three years. You don't have

1273
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:19,440
continuity on the project because of
that which would normally be the point

1274
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:24,719
that this information would come to.
Right. Yes. And so you're trying to

1275
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:28,560
piece together information just like I'm
trying to learn it on the third week of

1276
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:32,960
being here.
>> Um the other item is these updates that

1277
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:38,480
are there. I certainly think that we can
as staff either recap what's happening

1278
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:42,159
every two weeks and provide some type of
update to you because I I think I'm

1279
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:46,480
hopefully demonstrating my ability to
communicate and keep you updated.

1280
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:52,719
» Absolutely. Um the other thing is is
what the takeaway from tonight is

1281
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:59,760
we have time delays which have huge cost
risk around

1282
01:53:55,280 --> 01:54:06,719
really two things. The CNX contract uh
resolution to get that uh weld cap

1283
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:10,800
contract finished and paid for. So, we
know that's done and we have to get a

1284
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:15,920
written agreement with Blackstone that
they won't mine under the pad because

1285
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:21,119
any further
engineering and investments made on the

1286
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:22,080
project are too risky without that in
place.

1287
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:26,080
» Yes.
>> And so that is a priority. There's

1288
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:30,880
nothing else that's a greater priority
right now than that. And then the third

1289
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:36,960
item is which I think is a good piece of
news in tonight's presentation that I've

1290
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:43,199
seen anyway is that the dispatching
model still makes this a viable option

1291
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:48,080
and even has greater upside once all
this infrastructure is in place and you

1292
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:52,880
can just continue to add to it which is
what what the second generation model

1293
01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:58,320
talks about. But it still comes down to
really knowing what our current contract

1294
01:54:55,679 --> 01:55:04,000
um usage requirements are in these other
appendances. So that's the third thing

1295
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:08,800
that needs to be there. And then um you
know personally I just think that you

1296
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:13,599
know
until number one of what I said and

1297
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:19,920
number two of what I've said are done
you can't really count on a date to see

1298
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:25,520
return for the citizens which is
ultimately our goal right

1299
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:28,080
» so um there is no there is no greater
priority that I've heard tonight than

1300
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:31,520
that yes
>> I want to point out one more thing about

1301
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:37,280
this model
All of that money that we're that we're

1302
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:43,360
showing is the savings from what the
town is paying on their electricity. So

1303
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:48,159
that savings can either be passed on to
the customer. That savings can be

1304
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:51,760
amplified a little bit because you can
say, you know what, we're going to

1305
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:58,320
charge one penny more than what this
generation is costing us, which makes

1306
01:55:55,599 --> 01:56:02,880
the numbers even better. Right? So that
that model that's that's showing there

1307
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:07,840
is just a savings from what you
currently what you what you would be

1308
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:10,719
going into. Does that make sense?
>> So I didn't I don't want we don't want

1309
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:15,040
to complicate it with this other stuff
but that's that's the reality.

1310
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:18,639
» Yeah. Reality is that these numbers will
constantly change until that is locked

1311
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:20,080
down and you can proceed.
>> That's correct.

1312
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:23,360
» Bottom line.
>> Yes. Y so

1313
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:27,360
» but we understand this is the biggest
thing that the town has done. We don't

1314
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:32,719
take it lightly. We have no problem
coming like last like Seth you messaged

1315
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:37,119
me like the day that day and you hey man
did you uh did you not

1316
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:40,000
» we were in the meeting and I was like we
never got told about a meeting and you

1317
01:56:38,719 --> 01:56:42,080
were like oh my bad somebody was
supposed to tell you like you would have

1318
01:56:41,599 --> 01:56:45,599
been here
>> no and I I want I was going to ask you

1319
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:49,280
that very question because that was
asserted by some people that you were

1320
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:52,960
told and I knew you were I text you
right here I text you both in a group

1321
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:56,719
chat and I said did you know about the
meeting tonight and both of you both of

1322
01:56:55,040 --> 01:57:01,280
you answered and said No, we had no
clue. And it's not my job or any other

1323
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:04,639
council person on here to tell you about
a meeting. It's staff's job to make sure

1324
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:07,760
that you're invited to a meeting. And
and that didn't happen. And

1325
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:11,280
» we would never just
>> And you've not one time have we invited

1326
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:15,199
you guys that you didn't show up or
intentionally not come.

1327
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:20,159
» Yeah. So, however it is we need to get
the information across is fine. We can

1328
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:23,920
cancel that by meeting and we can do it
at a bi-weekly meeting. We do it later

1329
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:29,119
in the day when you guys are off from
work. one. Um, you know, but like I

1330
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:33,760
said,
might have approached this differently

1331
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:38,159
had we known the available power. It's
incredible that we still got a really

1332
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:42,400
solid viable project and as long as we
don't everybody doesn't get all freaked

1333
01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:46,080
out and the wheels come off this thing.
Still going to be it's going to be an

1334
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:48,880
awesome project for the town. There's no
doubt about it.

1335
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:50,880
» Thank you.
>> We look forward to continue to work with

1336
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:54,480
you. Thank you.
>> Any further questions for council?

1337
01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:58,880
I have one. Mary
>> Gary,

1338
01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:03,320
» if you could start tomorrow, what date
how long would it be before it be in

1339
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,320
production?

1340
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:10,000
» Start tomorrow.
>> If we could start tomorrow,

1341
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:13,520
» I think he's asking a spitball number. I
mean,

1342
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:16,080
» it's fourth quarter 27, right?
>> That would be best case scenario. So,

1343
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:19,280
fourth quarter 27.
>> How much delay is that to get us?

1344
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:22,080
Because we're delayed by what? Just for
the clearing window. Well, so the

1345
01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:25,360
construction can start as soon as the
permits come back and then we can start

1346
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:29,679
the clearing on the areas that we have
to clear and we can throw,

1347
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:33,199
» you know, everybody if we could do it as
in an abbreviated timeline, but it'll

1348
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:36,719
cost more with the with the line work
that has to be done. So it's 12 to 15

1349
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:39,199
months
>> if if if we

1350
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:42,080
» So he's saying they can throw the switch
on it fourth quarter of 27.

1351
01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:44,960
» Yeah.
>> Right.

1352
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:46,560
» Yeah. And and but we are absolutely
delayed.

1353
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:51,040
» I got
>> until we get the permits back either

1354
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:54,639
way. Right. Here's the thing. We miss We
don't get our contract. We don't button

1355
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:59,440
this other stuff up. And guys, we're
kicking it out another 12, 14 months,

1356
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:01,599
» you know? I mean,
>> we understand.

1357
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:05,920
» Yeah.
>> I think I think we feel it on both

1358
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:08,639
sides. We feel it and you feel it. I
think we're all in the same boat.

1359
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:09,920
» Yeah, 100%.
>> Trust me.

1360
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:12,159
» Yeah.
>> Thank you very much. Any further

1361
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:18,080
questions?
>> I do just have one final question. Um,

1362
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:24,239
could you give us an updated like if we
were to stop this project today,

1363
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:28,800
» could you give us an updated cost
estimate? I know ballpark. Um, like

1364
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:32,239
email us and I don't expect you to do it
right now, but what

1365
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:37,440
» But I mean, wouldn't any number be
catastrophic? Would terrible.

1366
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:41,679
» No, sir. I mean, what? Like if you spent
9 or10 million that you can't get back

1367
01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:45,119
though, because then you have a payment
on something, you might be able to sell

1368
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:48,800
the generator. You probably could sell
the generator.

1369
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:55,679
» So, I think and I've got it in my email.
I could pull it up. I think before

1370
01:59:52,159 --> 02:00:01,520
» when we asked and it's been a few
months. I I don't remember. Um

1371
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,520
you guys said we would probably be able
to sell the generator. That wouldn't be

1372
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:13,119
an issue. and we would be out I don't
remember. I want to say just a couple

1373
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:16,800
million. So if I I just want to know,
you know, because I I want to look at

1374
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:21,280
it's kind of like you're sitting at a
slot machine or a blackjack table and

1375
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:26,400
you're like, "Okay, I'm down $2 million.
Do I want to spend $14 million more to

1376
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:32,159
try to get my 2 million back or do I
want to I I just want to know from my

1377
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:36,320
information of we we might be it that
number might be catastrophic. You might

1378
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:40,000
give me a number that is 9 million and
it's catastrophic and you say you got to

1379
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:44,159
go forward. You might come back with a
number that's a million and we we just

1380
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:49,199
have that conversation.
>> I mean selling the generator obviously

1381
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:52,239
would be a big a big factor in it,
right? So

1382
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:56,320
» um
>> yeah, but I mean without selling the

1383
02:00:54,159 --> 02:01:02,320
generator I know it's going to be a you
know 910 million number right is what

1384
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:07,520
can you get from the generator to offset
some? I don't know. But I think that any

1385
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:13,199
way you look at it,
I think that that's a catastrophic loss

1386
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:16,320
from where you from what you guys set
out to do.

1387
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:19,920
» And if you could get these agreements in
place and we can and we can construct

1388
02:01:18,159 --> 02:01:23,280
this even with the additional costs that
are in there, you can see what the

1389
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:26,800
return would be. We've shown you what
those returns can look like on a

1390
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:31,119
generation on a cap and trans basis on
the savings that you originally set out

1391
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:34,239
to do originally. That's the only way to
recoup the investment at this point. I

1392
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:38,480
mean, even if you just cut your losses
and you paid these debts.

1393
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:42,800
» And at the end of the day, I can
guarantee you that if we don't do any

1394
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:47,840
type of generation that our power rates
are going to continue to increase

1395
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:52,080
dramatically. But with us investing in
generation now and hopefully investing

1396
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:57,760
in more in the future, we put ourselves
in a position where we can stop our

1397
02:01:54,719 --> 02:02:01,760
power rates from increasing. Unlike
right now we're at the mercy of

1398
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:07,199
transmission which has went up every
year for the past decade and is going to

1399
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:10,320
continue to go up exponentially. Power
companies are no longer in the power

1400
02:02:08,719 --> 02:02:13,520
generation business. Not building power
plants. You guys know this. They're not

1401
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:18,239
building power plants. They're investing
in uh these contracts and and

1402
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:22,239
transmission. They they realize we can
spend less money and make more money

1403
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:26,159
just by increasing transmission rates.
We don't it doesn't cost them anything.

1404
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:30,400
So, I can guarantee you our rates are
going to go up if we do nothing. This

1405
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:36,239
this sets us up in a place that we can
stem that tide and begin to put our

1406
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:41,679
citizens in a place where we can reduce.
Is it an investment? Is it is it an a

1407
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:45,280
daunting project? Are we doing something
no one else has ever done before? Yeah,

1408
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:50,000
that's exactly what we're doing. And
that comes with challenges. But we're

1409
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:54,400
also putting ourselves in a position to
make this viable to live in rich lands,

1410
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:59,360
you know, for the foreseeing future.
That's why

1411
02:02:55,199 --> 02:03:05,920
» over 20 years, not having the generator
cost you $65 million more. You're going

1412
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:09,920
to pay you're either going to pay it on
this infrastructure and finish it and

1413
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:14,960
pay a whole lot less or you're going to
pay that $65 million over a 20-year

1414
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:18,320
period. That's cost savings that we
projected with the generator avoiding.

1415
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:20,800
» I would still like to see the number
just for my

1416
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:22,080
» I'll be glad I can I'll be glad to put
the number

1417
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:25,679
» 100%.
>> I appreciate it.

1418
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:29,199
» But I'm just saying the uh um you're
financing it one way or another.

1419
02:03:27,679 --> 02:03:34,880
» But you know something nobody's looked
at. What have we got? 100 million power

1420
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:40,480
company here and we had this generator.
It's worth 200 million. I mean I don't

1421
02:03:37,679 --> 02:03:46,480
know the number. I'm just using the
number as an example. But the value of

1422
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:51,040
this whole thing when you add it into
the power company

1423
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:53,679
» really is a asset that's really
priceless.

1424
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:57,360
» So you think the generator is going to
add $100 million to the value?

1425
02:03:55,599 --> 02:04:01,599
» Well, you got picking numbers.
>> You got $65 million. You're going to

1426
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:05,760
spend one way or another. If we don't do
the generator, we spend $65 million. If

1427
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:10,400
you do do the generator, you're going to
save 35 million.

1428
02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:14,159
I I I mean I can tell you if we have no
generation 10 years from now, you will

1429
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:16,480
not be able to afford to live in this
town. You will not be able to afford the

1430
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,880
power.
>> I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt

1431
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:22,400
you. See, I totally get what you're
saying and that's why we're doing this

1432
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:26,800
project. That's the whole point of it
and we we're sold on it.

1433
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:29,599
» It's just how we're getting there.
>> Agree.

1434
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:31,599
» Any further questions, council?
>> No.

1435
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:34,880
» Gentlemen, thank you. Now, where are you
driving back to tonight? Blueville or

1436
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:37,360
where?
>> Princeton.

1437
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:41,520
» Princeton. I'm going back to Charlotte.
>> Okay. Thank you. I knew I can't remember

1438
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:44,080
if you're Bluefield, West Virginia,
>> Lake Norman. I don't know where you are,

1439
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:46,639
but I know you're somewhere in the
world. Thank you. Drive safely.

1440
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:50,159
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1441
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:52,320
» If you could just make sure copy that
presentation.

1442
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:56,000
» Sure. I I'll print it out and I'll
forward you this the PDFs or whatever so

1443
02:04:54,639 --> 02:05:00,080
that I don't lose any of the slides.
Thank you for your time.

1444
02:04:56,880 --> 02:05:03,639
» Thank you so much. We appreciate it.
>> Be safe, gentlemen.

1445
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:10,800
Mayor, can I have about a 10-minute
break? Sure. Set this up for

1446
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:15,560
» uh 10 minute recess. Thank you. Because
next we have McGill. Thank you.

1447
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:53,040
session. We are on Roman numeral 10, uh
item C, McGill task order number four,

1448
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:58,639
wastewater treatment plant. And if you
look here, uh we have this in our uh

1449
02:05:56,320 --> 02:06:04,080
packet right here, wa task order number
four. So I will defer to Mr. Mar and

1450
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:08,560
then to uh the gentleman from McGill,
please.

1451
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:14,639
» Thank you, mayor. Um, so
in prior council discussions, you all

1452
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:22,800
had talked about having uh McGill do the
project management functions

1453
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:26,960
um for the wastewater treatment plant um
upcoming construction contract. We went

1454
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:31,199
to bid. I'm going to let Wes talk a
little bit about that because we

1455
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:38,880
actually got some good news uh on that.
But I think I shared this with you all

1456
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:42,800
uh each previously and that is
councils have two different views of

1457
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:47,760
contingencies, right? Some people look
at contingencies and say, "Oh, that

1458
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:51,199
money is going to be spent and we just
don't know what it is because we can't

1459
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:55,520
detail every single thing and we don't
want to make some really high number in

1460
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:59,679
this project that we may or may not
use." And so you do you take some

1461
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:04,239
percentage of your overall project, put
it in contingency for those unknown

1462
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:08,880
items. Other council members sometimes
will say

1463
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:13,840
contingency is my savings account that
I'll use if I need it, but I'm not

1464
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:15,840
planning to spend it. Right? So, there's
two viewpoints at how people look at

1465
02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:19,760
that.
>> Thank you.

1466
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:27,280
» Um, and the reason that I wanted to talk
about it is because this uh task order 4

1467
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:32,239
is planning to be used in the
contingency funds. And a change you'll

1468
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:37,920
see in my role as a town manager is I
like to have items not sitting in the

1469
02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:42,560
contingency when they are known items
that we need to have done. So we need

1470
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:46,960
the professional expertise to do the
tasks that are outlined in task order 4.

1471
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:53,040
And so I wanted you know Wes to be able
to speak to what that entails, why it's

1472
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:56,719
important, what we don't have on staff
to be able to do those type of items and

1473
02:07:55,119 --> 02:08:01,840
why you would pay for this. And while
we're using contingency to do this, in

1474
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:07,520
the future, I've asked them to put these
kind of expenses in the detailed

1475
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:11,599
overall project plan and to truly use
the contingency for the unknown. So, if

1476
02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:15,520
we know we're going to have project
management, then we'll have project

1477
02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:20,800
management in our cost estimates as an
itemized item. Okay? So, that's just why

1478
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:26,560
we're having this discussion. I also
even though you kind of have an overall

1479
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:30,800
project associated to this I also
committed to you in session that I would

1480
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:34,320
bring any large expenditures to you and
I wouldn't be signing something as your

1481
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:39,440
interim without you all going it's okay
to sign it. So it's time to sign this

1482
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:45,280
task order 4 as we move forward uh with
this project. Um and so in order for me

1483
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:49,440
to sign it I want your authorization to
proceed. So, uh, Wes is going to talk a

1484
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:53,760
little bit about kind of what this task
order is, and then at the end of it, I'd

1485
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:58,320
like, um, I've asked him to please give
you an update. We had our bid opening on

1486
02:08:55,679 --> 02:09:04,079
Monday, uh, at 2:00. And just to tell
you kind of where we are with that, um,

1487
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:10,480
we will have at the next council
meeting, uh, bring you the actual, uh,

1488
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:14,880
next steps for that project. But I think
it's some good news. So, Wes, I'll turn

1489
02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:19,119
it over to you.
Thank you, Miss Mark. Also, I'm just go

1490
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:24,960
ahead and take this moment to mention
that the next council meeting I plan to

1491
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:30,079
be with you in person and u that'll that
may uh helps to avoid some technical

1492
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:37,440
difficulties as well. Let me also make a
comment about the contingency. uh we we

1493
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:42,480
understood uh at the beginning of the
different ways that people look at

1494
02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:47,360
contingency and one of one thing that
you might have noticed you probably

1495
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:51,280
don't have the detailed itemized
cost estimate in front of you that was

1496
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:58,400
included in the in the PE that we sent
to DEQ but that uh cost estimate the

1497
02:09:55,679 --> 02:10:03,520
contingency was 15%
that that number is well above the IND

1498
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:09,119
industry standard for contingency
amounts for projects like this which is

1499
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:14,159
typically between 5 and 10%. So what we
did was we boosted that contingency

1500
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:17,599
number to 15% to cover the cost of
construction administration. One of the

1501
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:21,360
reasons we did it that way was because
at the time we had not gotten the

1502
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:25,920
information back yet from the
manufacturers as far as lead times for

1503
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:30,079
equipment and different things that were
going to affect the project schedule.

1504
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:35,199
And of course the project schedule
affects the cost of construction

1505
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:39,599
administration. So that's one of the
reasons we did it that way. But I did

1506
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:44,400
agree with Mr. Maher after our
discussion that uh going forward we

1507
02:10:41,679 --> 02:10:48,639
would make sure uh that that we would
find we would figure out how to put that

1508
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:54,079
as a line item and not as a contingency
just to avoid confusion going forward in

1509
02:10:50,719 --> 02:11:00,400
the future. Um, speaking of task order
4, this this project is going to be it's

1510
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:08,320
going to be a a big project. It's not uh
the largest that it could be, but it

1511
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:14,159
certainly qualifies as a large project.
Um this there is going to be quite a bit

1512
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:20,159
of
technical review of shop drawings that

1513
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:24,320
those are the um cut sheets and the
drawings that are sent in to the

1514
02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:29,360
engineer for approval for equipment
that's going to be used in this project.

1515
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:34,960
I have received shop drawings before on
previous projects that were uh between

1516
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:40,400
600 and a,000 pages and that's that's
not an exaggeration. Those have to be

1517
02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:45,760
reviewed in detail. And usually when you
get a SH drawing of that size, it gets

1518
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:49,840
returned back to the contractor for some
errors of some kind that have to be

1519
02:11:47,199 --> 02:11:54,239
corrected. Um, a SH drawing of that size
almost always has something that needs

1520
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:57,920
to be corrected in it. Um, there are
there are requests for information that

1521
02:11:56,079 --> 02:12:03,119
will take place during the project that
contractors will ask and and they will

1522
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:06,560
be seeking official answers.
There are there's all kinds of

1523
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:11,199
coordination with the uh general
contractors, change orders typically

1524
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:17,199
take place. There will be inspection
reports and system testing,

1525
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:21,679
pre-construction meetings, and ongoing
uh monthly construction progress

1526
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:27,199
meetings, warranty inspections. All
kinds of things are going to be taking

1527
02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:32,000
place in this project that you will need
professional um guidance on during

1528
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:36,159
construction phase. And that also
includes all the paperwork like pay

1529
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:40,320
applications and so on. you might if you
if you've not dealt with applications

1530
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:45,199
and it's possible that all of you have
but if you haven't they're they can get

1531
02:12:42,639 --> 02:12:48,480
pretty complicated not on the end piece
you know once they go through the

1532
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:53,360
process that I put them through at that
point they're pretty simple for you I I

1533
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:58,560
typically will review them uh scrutinize
them sign and date them and send them to

1534
02:12:55,679 --> 02:13:02,000
you once that happens really all you
have to do is just you know make send

1535
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:07,360
you write a check to the general
contractor but before that piece

1536
02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:12,239
the scrutiny that the payout has to go
through uh is is quite extensive and and

1537
02:13:10,159 --> 02:13:16,560
it involves making sure that that what
the contractor is asking to be paid for

1538
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:21,440
has actually been completed. Sometimes
it's not easy to tell that if you're not

1539
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:24,639
used to knowing what to look for. Um
there's there's just a lot in the

1540
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:28,960
construction administration that goes
wrong. So you definitely want to have

1541
02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:32,239
for a for a project this size, you
definitely want to have good

1542
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:36,800
construction administration. Now, this
task order covers everything that you're

1543
02:13:34,719 --> 02:13:42,560
going to need. There's you're not going
to get a separate bill for expenses or

1544
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:47,119
anything like that, like driving or gas
or miles or anything. There's all the

1545
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:52,320
expenses and everything is included in
the task order. And the task order

1546
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:58,719
includes all of the paperwork, all of
the administrative duties, all of the

1547
02:13:54,639 --> 02:14:02,480
site visits, all of the uh the progress
reports, the pre-construction meetings,

1548
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:06,639
all the coordination with the with the
contractors. It it really just covers

1549
02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:12,560
everything that you're going to need
from a construction administration point

1550
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:17,360
of view. All you'll need to do is and
your your team is welcome to participate

1551
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:22,639
in anything going on. We you'll be
copied on Uh well, what I'll probably do

1552
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:25,199
is coordinate with Mr. Mark who should
get copies. I don't want you all to be

1553
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:29,199
getting emails that you don't want to
get, but anyone on the Richland team

1554
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:33,840
that wants to participate in progress
meetings that we'll be holding every

1555
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:37,840
month is welcome to do so. Um so we want
to keep that transparent, but you don't

1556
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:41,520
actually have to do anything. M will
handle all the construction

1557
02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:45,840
administration. We've identified five
members of our team. I'm one of those

1558
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:49,520
members and we've got four other members
of team that will be handling various

1559
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:57,079
aspects of construction administration.
So really everything from beginning to

1560
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:57,079
end will be handled in this task order.

1561
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:04,960
» Thank you.
Uh thank you. And you're coming here

1562
02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:06,800
next for our March meeting, Wes?
>> I will be there in person for your

1563
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:12,960
March. Oh,
>> where do you live?

1564
02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:18,480
» Do you live in Rowan Oak?
I'm in Roman. Yes. But I'll be in person

1565
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:25,040
with you in Richmond. Okay. Thank you
very much. Uh any questions uh for Wes

1566
02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:27,040
or Mr. Maher? If not, is there a motion?
>> I got two questions.

1567
02:15:26,239 --> 02:15:32,800
» Go ahead.
>> Now, does this cover is this just

1568
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:40,360
management of the project or is this
testing and the normal stuff that goes

1569
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:40,360
with the engineering part?

1570
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:49,599
Your first part question was serious
management and repeat the last part.

1571
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:55,920
» Is this just management of the job or is
this like the testing, the inspecting

1572
02:15:53,040 --> 02:16:01,840
and all of that or do we have to hire a
separate entity to come in and do the

1573
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:06,719
testing and stuff like that?
Now the the depends on what kind of

1574
02:16:04,639 --> 02:16:12,800
testing you're talking about. But for
example, if you're talking about testing

1575
02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:16,560
of of concrete or testing of rebar, the
kind those kinds of testing, the

1576
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:20,719
contractor is going to be responsible
for a third party testing of that kind

1577
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:25,840
of equipment. Richlands will not have to
hire anybody else to do any of those

1578
02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:30,800
things. So we will be managing, but
we'll also be performing. will be also

1579
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:34,559
acting as the engineer because there
will be engineering questions will get

1580
02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:38,240
asked during the construction phase.
They always do it would be impossible to

1581
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:42,479
do a project this size and not have
engineering questions get asked. So we

1582
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:46,000
will also be acting as the engineer as
well as doing construction

1583
02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:49,120
administration as far as third party
testing goes. The general contractor is

1584
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:54,399
going to be responsible for that.
>> So y'all are going to do the inspection

1585
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:57,200
too. The inspection part of it.
>> Yep.

1586
02:16:54,800 --> 02:17:02,800
» Okay. Okay. Doing weekly inspections on
site weekly inspections of everything

1587
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:04,719
that's taking place uh on at the waste
plant.

1588
02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:06,160
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Any answer?

1589
02:17:05,599 --> 02:17:09,359
» That's it.
>> Anybody else have any questions?

1590
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:14,960
» No.
>> Okay. Is there a motion to authorize Mr.

1591
02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:18,399
Mar to execute task order number four?
>> I make a motion, Mayor.

1592
02:17:16,399 --> 02:17:21,760
» All right. Gary has the motion. Is there
a second?

1593
02:17:19,599 --> 02:17:27,040
» Rick has a second. Any discussion on the
motion? There being no discussion, roll

1594
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:28,240
call vote, please.
>> Okay. Seth,

1595
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:29,040
» yes.
>> Gary,

1596
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:30,319
» yes.
>> Rick,

1597
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:31,280
» yes.
>> Shan,

1598
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:33,040
» yes.
>> And Laura,

1599
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:37,439
» yes.
>> Thank you, council. Mr. Mar, you have

1600
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:42,399
your marching orders. Thank you.
>> Finally.

1601
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:47,920
» All right. Next, we are on Roman numeral
10.

1602
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:56,080
» Of course. Of course.
>> The we opened the bids yesterday for

1603
02:17:51,200 --> 02:18:00,559
this project. Our project budget was $10
million for this project and that

1604
02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:06,399
includes the the 15% contingency. So the
actual construction budget was was just

1605
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:13,120
a little bit over $8.5 million. And then
with the 15% contingency that brought it

1606
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:19,599
to a $10 million budget and the low bid
on the project was $ 8.5 million which

1607
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:24,479
is which is very very pleasing. That's
good for Richland. is good for uh for us

1608
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:29,280
as well. We wanted to see a bid of that
range. So, we did receive a second bid

1609
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:35,439
that was just a little over 11 million,
but the uh low bid was 8.5 million. And

1610
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:39,679
we will be able to present an official
recommendation to award totally at the

1611
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:44,719
end of this week or maybe early next
week. And then, uh I know you guys will

1612
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:47,679
all take that up at your next council
meeting, which I will be at in person as

1613
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:52,080
well.
>> Thank you for the information. And

1614
02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:56,080
again, thank you for your time tonight
and your diligence. Thank you.

1615
02:18:54,479 --> 02:19:01,120
» You're welcome. Thank you.
>> Have a good evening.

1616
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:04,559
» And I'm thrilled with an 8.5 uh million
bid

1617
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:10,960
» on a 10 million projected project in
today's time of inflation cost. So, I

1618
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:14,639
think we can be really proud that um the
way the bid process went, the

1619
02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:18,639
specifications that were written, the
questions being answered allow us to get

1620
02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:23,359
that type of a result. I'm pretty
shocked on that, too, because when we

1621
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:31,840
started this sewer treatment plan
update, the the first estimate we had

1622
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:35,679
was like 7.3 million if I mean, I can't
remember exactly, but I'm pretty close

1623
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:38,160
to what it was. Then during the CO, it
went to like 21 million.

1624
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:41,439
» Mhm.
>> Now it's back down to eight.

1625
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:44,319
» Well, that's the one area where
construction costs and Gary can say

1626
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:48,399
that, you know, some construction
materials have come down.

1627
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:52,240
» Yeah. I mean, it's just amazing because
we materials.

1628
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:58,240
» We voted to put it off one time when I
was first on council. We voted to put it

1629
02:19:54,000 --> 02:20:00,319
off because it just went skyrocket.
>> Thank you, Rick.

1630
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:09,200
» That's great.
>> Okay. Uh we're Roman numeral 10. Uh item

1631
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:12,600
D, uh flood EWP grant match. Okay. Uh
Mr. more.

1632
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:24,280
Get my old eyes on this thing here.

1633
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:41,040
Okay. back when you had um
the Helen event and you had significant

1634
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:46,720
flooding in the town, there was really
direction uh at that time uh by the

1635
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:53,600
council to look for grant opportunities
that would allow us to um

1636
02:20:50,800 --> 02:21:01,120
create resiliency against future floods,
to look for opportunities for funding on

1637
02:20:55,840 --> 02:21:08,000
the on basically any level uh to improve
um conditions that might take place in

1638
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:12,800
the future with future events. And so
the next two items are both related to

1639
02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:17,600
that time period. Now, all of this has
started before my arrival with you. Uh

1640
02:21:15,359 --> 02:21:24,640
but one of the programs, the emergency
watershed protection program, um is a

1641
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:30,560
program that was identified by the staff
at the time

1642
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:35,760
um about the
a program that would would help um

1643
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:42,319
locations around natural occurrences,
floods, fires, wind storms, hurricanes,

1644
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:48,560
tornadoes, etc. Um
the section of the code that applied

1645
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:53,040
this is an EWP authority program. Uh it
was authorized by the Secretary of

1646
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:57,680
Agriculture uh the emergency watershed
protection program and it's designed for

1647
02:21:55,359 --> 02:22:02,960
technical and financial assistance to
implement uh defensible and technically

1648
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:08,240
sound emergency recovery measures which
obviously you were in uh at at the time.

1649
02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:11,359
This particular program is a relatively
new program so a lot of people aren't

1650
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:20,080
aware of which is why I'm spend a little
bit of time uh around it. Um

1651
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:26,319
it is a coordinated program with FEMA NR
uh CS authority and of course the

1652
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:29,319
disaster damages.
um

1653
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:37,680
you have a natural event, you have water
shed impairment, an imminent threat, and

1654
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:44,479
then obviously you have the emergency
scenario. So um what this program can be

1655
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:50,880
used for is permanent structures, houses
and buildings, roads and utilities, dams

1656
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:58,560
and flood control areas. Um what it can
um not be used for is standing timber,

1657
02:22:54,240 --> 02:23:04,319
orchards, ergonomic crops. Um it also
has the the very basis of this program

1658
02:23:00,880 --> 02:23:09,120
is it must have had negative impact on
property or life in order for this

1659
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:15,840
funding to be eligible. And if it didn't
meet that criteria, then it was not uh

1660
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:19,600
eligible for funding under this program.
Um

1661
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:24,160
there's also some limits on acceptance
like you can't have the same structure

1662
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:31,840
uh practice three times within 10 years
and get funding on it again. So um as

1663
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:35,520
you um it has to the limits are also on
existing operations and maintenance.

1664
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:39,280
It's not allowed to be used for that
repair or rebuild or maintain

1665
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:44,000
transportation facilities, utilities or
similar related facilities. I'm not

1666
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:50,479
going to go through all the uh items
that it is limited on. I will give you

1667
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:56,319
this print out that I have on the screen
today just so you have the program if we

1668
02:23:52,640 --> 02:24:03,040
decide to move forward with it. Um
basically you put together or did a

1669
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:09,359
resource of areas in the town that um
needed to be addressed post event. Um

1670
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:16,720
this project was is specifically for
debris removal in your waterways and for

1671
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:22,000
stream restoration to uh reduce erosion
and continued impact of future events.

1672
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:28,479
Um
it did it does have a cost associated

1673
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:33,520
with it. Um we requested
let's see my my numbers right here. Uh

1674
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:41,280
it's a 7525%
program. So 75% funded by um the grant,

1675
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:47,439
25% by the city, which can be in kind
work or in cash payments. The other item

1676
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:52,479
related to this is that you're not
required to do or use all of the funds

1677
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:58,319
that are being awarded in this
opportunity today. meaning that um if

1678
02:24:55,680 --> 02:25:03,120
you're cleaning waterways from debris
and you have various private property

1679
02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:08,080
owners that are actually along this
route, if you can't get agreement with

1680
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:12,880
those individuals, you may abandon that
project because you can't get agreement

1681
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:16,800
from the home or the land owner of it to
be able to work on that portion of the

1682
02:25:14,479 --> 02:25:22,479
property and then you would return the
funds associated to that portion of the

1683
02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:29,359
project. Um you also can scale down the
money. So, if you don't have the full

1684
02:25:24,399 --> 02:25:32,359
match amount, which in this case is
um

1685
02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:39,359
159,000
because the grant uh based on the grant

1686
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:44,960
award, you can scale it back to what you
would be willing to fund if you wanted

1687
02:25:41,439 --> 02:25:49,120
to do these particular projects. And the
issue that you have today is you have to

1688
02:25:47,359 --> 02:25:55,200
either respond and say okay we're going
to pursue and go to the next step of

1689
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:59,840
this um if you don't do projects the
portion that you have to repay is the

1690
02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:06,800
technical and financial assistance
portion that you received. So if you if

1691
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:11,439
you don't spend that then there is not
cost other than

1692
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:16,160
um to get out of the program or to
return the money. If you do proceed with

1693
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:22,080
it and you take that money and then you
scale back your projects, that portion

1694
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:29,040
will be percentage-wise to what you uh
had associated in this grant. And um if

1695
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:33,920
you do all of it, then obviously you we
have to come up with $159,000

1696
02:26:31,359 --> 02:26:38,640
match component. So that's that's grant
one that's on the agenda today. I'm

1697
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:42,560
going to have Billy talk about grant
two, which was your flood plan

1698
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:50,960
administrator, which is a five-year
position funded um grant, which

1699
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:56,319
I believe you also need as many flood
events as you may have here, but that um

1700
02:26:54,800 --> 02:27:00,479
he can talk about that. It's a much
larger one and there is no match on that

1701
02:26:58,560 --> 02:27:07,120
particular program. there was a match,
but we applied for um assistance on that

1702
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:11,439
portion so that it would be covered
because of the um demographics of our

1703
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:18,720
area.
>> Mr. Tomorrow, you need a motion from us

1704
02:27:13,359 --> 02:27:23,040
to approve up to inind and or andor cash
payments up to 159,000

1705
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:28,640
» to proceed with this grant knowing that
we may not use it if there's projects we

1706
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:33,200
can't do or we can't an agreement from
property owners, but it's to go to the

1707
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:41,520
next step of this award.
>> Is there a time frame?

1708
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:47,600
» There is. Um I think I got it in here.
uh I think it's 220

1709
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:48,960
work days from the time we begin the
project.

1710
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:54,960
» Mhm.
>> So slightly 3/4ers of a year.

1711
02:27:53,040 --> 02:28:01,359
» Mr. Mayor, I I put that in the form of a
motion uh that we prove up to the full

1712
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:04,800
amount subject to, you know, agreements
and that kind of thing.

1713
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:09,359
» Okay. There's a motion on the floor to
uh authorize the manager to move ahead

1714
02:28:06,960 --> 02:28:13,600
with this grant. U is there a second?
>> I'll second. Rick has a second. Is there

1715
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:20,319
any discussion on this motion? I want to
say thank you, Billy.

1716
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:23,439
Uh, any discussion on this motion?
>> Uh, hearing no discussion. May we have a

1717
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,720
roll call vote, please?
>> Yeah. Okay. Seth,

1718
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:26,479
» yes.
>> Gary,

1719
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:27,280
» yes.
>> Rick,

1720
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:28,000
» yes.
>> Jan,

1721
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:29,439
» yes.
>> And Laura,

1722
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:33,680
» yes.
>> Motion carries. Thank you. Now, I'm

1723
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:37,840
looking here at the next item on the
agenda. And I do want Billy to come up

1724
02:28:35,439 --> 02:28:42,720
on the next item because this is the
flood plan administrator position. It's

1725
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:48,080
a five-year funded position. There is no
match to the town. What you do have to

1726
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:51,600
obviously, so you're hiring someone, you
got someone on board. It's being

1727
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:56,319
covered. When you get to the end of five
years, over that 5year period, you have

1728
02:28:53,600 --> 02:29:00,960
to have incorporated that
uh cost into your budget for it to

1729
02:28:58,479 --> 02:29:06,479
sustain. Otherwise, the position doesn't
continue. And so that's part of this,

1730
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:11,680
you know, commitment to look at and say,
can we have five years of it free, but

1731
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:15,920
when we get to the sixth year, uh, to
have this role, this is, you know, going

1732
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:18,880
to have to be over that time
incrementally included in future in a

1733
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:23,200
future budget.
>> I appreciate that. I have a question. uh

1734
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:27,600
at the at the end of the five years a
future council of we don't know who is

1735
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:32,000
in sitting here uh would they be
obligated to continue this and hire a

1736
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:35,840
person and put that in our budget?
>> It is it is not a requirement to

1737
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:40,960
continue it. Now what I want to say on
this is today the the discussion is

1738
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:45,760
about we've been awarded it and we've
received the matching

1739
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:50,720
funds portion forgiven so you don't have
to come up with that. So, this is 100%

1740
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:54,880
funded without any commitment from the
city.

1741
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:59,280
» We haven't received all of the paperwork
on this. We've just gotten the

1742
02:29:56,240 --> 02:30:03,680
notification that we've gotten the award
>> um and we're making you aware of it

1743
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:09,920
because obviously
each of these grants we have to respond

1744
02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:18,560
and say we are we are willing to
continue and pursue moving forward. Um,

1745
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:23,520
we will verify all of the contractual
items obviously at that time. Um, and if

1746
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:26,880
there's any change than what I'm telling
you today, then I would certainly be

1747
02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:31,760
back in front of you again. But we did
talk with uh Merchant McIntyre and sent

1748
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:37,120
them the original notification that we
received to see if they read it the same

1749
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:43,600
way that I read it and Billy read it and
others about the match. They do. um we

1750
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:51,680
are to receive the packet in the next uh
5 to 10 days on that. To me, it's a

1751
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:58,000
great grant um to be able to do the work
that a um flood plan administrator would

1752
02:30:55,359 --> 02:31:03,760
do in a town that has these events fully
funded, not coming uh from it. But I we

1753
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:08,080
are not aware that there's any required
continued funding of the position.

1754
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:13,439
» Thank you. Um, what we would say is you
would see the benefit of that over that

1755
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:17,120
five-year period and as you're seeing
that hopefully you would build it into

1756
02:31:15,359 --> 02:31:21,680
your future funding.
>> Thank you, Mr. Marie. Thank you.

1757
02:31:19,439 --> 02:31:26,560
» Yeah, we uh we applied here a little
while back for this. I actually applied

1758
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:31,680
for 435,000 when they awarded it. They
awarded 657,000

1759
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:36,319
which would pay salaries and benefits
packages for five years.

1760
02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:42,720
Uh, of course, you know, flood plan
administrator job in our town would be

1761
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:47,359
pretty huge with this help to get it
with all the problems mitigation issues

1762
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:51,920
and and this other grant we're just
talking about. I guess they would be

1763
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:55,760
over that too. And also we have what is
uh

1764
02:31:53,600 --> 02:32:00,399
through the state crisis track which is
how you go along and supposed to go

1765
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:05,439
after the flooding event to evaluate the
homes. They have a a online site to do

1766
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:08,479
that. We haven't been able to get on
there. There's been some issues with the

1767
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:13,359
county log in which we have to go
through and this person would have to be

1768
02:32:11,359 --> 02:32:17,680
involved in getting that and go to each
home after the flood like we had

1769
02:32:15,439 --> 02:32:22,479
problems before on the documentation of
people that were flooded. That would be

1770
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:27,040
part of their main job plus catching us
up on where we are behind on that at

1771
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:31,680
this point. Um,
of course they would go off of uh making

1772
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:36,080
sure on the base flood elevations that
everybody's following those rules and

1773
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:41,359
regulations when they place a home in
the flood zone. Flood way you can't

1774
02:32:39,040 --> 02:32:46,399
place a home back in, but flood plane
you can. Um,

1775
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:50,640
they would also help with the making
sure people are getting their permits

1776
02:32:48,319 --> 02:32:55,359
when they redo or clean up or whatever
they have to do on the home. Something

1777
02:32:52,319 --> 02:32:58,720
happened to it. Um
they would also discourage you know

1778
02:32:57,280 --> 02:33:04,560
development in these areas because you
can't you don't really want to be

1779
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:08,880
developing in in the flood plane.
Uh they would keep up to date and advise

1780
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:12,080
other state federal or local permits or
approvals that may be necessary when

1781
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:18,080
developing
anything around a flooding area.

1782
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:23,280
notify FEMA changes of water course
which is I don't know if y'all noticed

1783
02:33:20,479 --> 02:33:28,800
I've noticed the last 25 years Clint is
moving so and that really doesn't get

1784
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:33,280
reported as well as it should but it is
moving uh educate community members and

1785
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:39,280
local officials about flood plane
management which we all need know as

1786
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:43,840
much about that as we can
investigate violations of flood plane

1787
02:33:41,359 --> 02:33:50,000
ordinances initiate corrective action
when there is a issue, they would be in

1788
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:55,120
charge of doing that. Uh,
as soon as we get the uh letter, Mr.

1789
02:33:52,800 --> 02:33:59,200
Mart, as he stated, we'll get in touch
with you on that cuz I always I I'm type

1790
02:33:57,920 --> 02:34:03,280
person I don't count my chickens till
they hatch. I want to see the award

1791
02:34:01,439 --> 02:34:08,160
letter besides the one that we got with
all this stuff in it. But, um, it's a

1792
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:12,800
good thing. I think it's be really good
for us if we can

1793
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:17,200
go forward with this.
>> Thanks, Billy. What kind of action do we

1794
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:22,640
need on this, Mr. Maher?
>> This one is just moreformational for you

1795
02:34:19,439 --> 02:34:28,160
to be aware of and to know that um
assuming it remains a 100%

1796
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:33,920
uh grant with no match then we will
proceed unless there's some anxiety

1797
02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:38,880
among the council uh tonight because
that that would since it would have no

1798
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:40,160
budgetary impact it um I would proceed
with that.

1799
02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:44,640
» Okay.
>> I just have questions. Do we know did in

1800
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:49,200
the grant does it outline like what
educational level or you know?

1801
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:52,160
» Yes, I I believe it does, but it'll also
when we get this packet,

1802
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:54,399
» it'll tell you who who we're looking
for, who we need to hire,

1803
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:57,760
» right? It'll it'll give us the
requirements that we have to hire to.

1804
02:34:56,399 --> 02:35:01,760
» And and I got one other question because
I'm assuming this is an assumption.

1805
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:06,800
They're going to say a percentage of
their job, 90% 80% whatever is going to

1806
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:08,960
have to be dedicated to this work. But,
you know, a lot of people wear a lot of

1807
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:11,040
hats here.
>> Yes. Yes.

1808
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:14,720
» Is this an opportunity for us to have
someone that could maybe pick up a few

1809
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:18,160
other things? You know,
>> I think it's got a percentage in it, but

1810
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:21,359
I don't know exactly.
>> I'm just curious if you can let us know

1811
02:35:19,439 --> 02:35:25,040
about that because I'm I'm you know, I'm
assuming most of these things come and

1812
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:27,280
they say, you know, 75% of their job or
90% or whatever. Maybe it's 100%. I

1813
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:30,000
don't know.
>> When I filled out the paperwork, it was

1814
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:33,359
on there, but I can't remember the
exact. And that's fine because the good

1815
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:38,080
thing is with us that gives us another
full-time employee and maybe someone can

1816
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:42,960
wear one less hat because it's related
interrelated to what this person's

1817
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:44,960
doing. That that was my only thing that
>> Thank you.

1818
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:47,680
» Hey, thank you all.
>> Thank you, Bill. Thanks.

1819
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:52,240
» We look forward to the future. Thank
you.

1820
02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:59,120
» Okay. Uh next, uh we have Roman numeral
10. We're on F Freedom Festival

1821
02:35:56,080 --> 02:36:04,399
Fireworks. Um, I I hope we have Do we
have information on a cost for that, Mr.

1822
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:08,800
Maher? Because I hope we have fireworks.
>> We do. Um,

1823
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:12,720
so first of all, you have no money in
the budget. This is one of the items

1824
02:36:10,319 --> 02:36:18,399
that you took away. And the only reason
that I'm bringing it for you to to touch

1825
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:24,880
on this, I get, and correct me if I'm
wrong on that. That is correct, right?

1826
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:33,439
um was that this is the time of the year
that they are ordered in order to be

1827
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:37,240
here for your event. Um in the last year
you paid $7,250

1828
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:47,920
and the cost has had a 15% increase of
product. So it's $8,500 if you did

1829
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:56,000
exactly the same thing that you have
historically purchased. and done as a

1830
02:36:50,960 --> 02:37:01,520
part of Freedom Fest. So, um, obviously
I don't spend money that isn't approved

1831
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:05,920
and in a budget. Um, and two, I think
the question is, is it an event? From my

1832
02:37:04,399 --> 02:37:11,280
perspective, I'll just say to you, this
is the 250th birthday of our country.

1833
02:37:08,560 --> 02:37:15,760
Um, it's a great time to talk about the
the freedom and living in the United

1834
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:19,600
States of America. I think it would be a
terrible year to cut it. uh personally,

1835
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:24,080
which is why I'm here in front of you
about it, but I also would need

1836
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:29,920
authorization before we pursued that
because we would um you want to speak to

1837
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:33,760
where what you told me on funding?
>> Yeah, we would have to do a budget

1838
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:38,240
amendment and and take those funds from
unrestricted uh balances

1839
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:40,720
» unless we got the money donated.
>> That's correct.

1840
02:37:40,399 --> 02:37:45,680
» Uh
>> which we do generally every year we get

1841
02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:50,960
some donations. And then I think this
discussion in general is a question also

1842
02:37:48,160 --> 02:37:56,640
about just events in the town in
general. You know, you've historically

1843
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:59,920
had some of these um you know, I've been
asked by staff to at least bring this up

1844
02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:04,319
and say, is there still an interest in
the council that we do events? I think

1845
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:11,120
you've had a couple of music things that
have taken place historically. You've

1846
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:15,200
had this uh festival. Um, so I guess I'm
just generally looking for some

1847
02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:18,720
direction from the council on that. And
is this something that one of your

1848
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:23,280
committees, you do you have an event
committee that you want to have address

1849
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:27,280
this um and bring the overall
comprehensive plan back so we talk about

1850
02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:31,200
it all at once? But the critical
component of this is the ordering of

1851
02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:34,880
fireworks. That's why it's before you
tonight.

1852
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:40,399
» Go ahead and book these fireworks for us
on that same date we've had for several

1853
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:44,800
years. and they will wait on the
payment. We don't have, you know, I

1854
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:50,000
think the contract said pay half up
front or something like that, but we

1855
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:56,880
never have done that. We've generally
waited toward the end to pay the money.

1856
02:38:54,960 --> 02:39:00,160
» Jan, I'm hearing something. Let me say
something, Mr. Maher. For the past

1857
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:05,600
several years, I don't know how many uh
Jan and crew committee, whatever, have

1858
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:08,319
put on the Freedom Festival, which is
what you're talking about. I think

1859
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:14,880
generally is it the last Saturday in
June. Um and so I it's been very

1860
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:19,760
successful and wellreceived and I think
it's important that we have fireworks.

1861
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:23,120
There's I know it. I just think it's
important. I don't have to elaborate.

1862
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:26,960
» People expect it. I mean
>> and it's part of the 250th anniversary

1863
02:39:25,520 --> 02:39:30,479
of the country. It's especially
important right now.

1864
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:34,880
» Do you need a motion to go forward with
that?

1865
02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:40,399
I I think because we're talking about
>> a potential budget adjustment if we

1866
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:42,960
don't get it covered by sponsorship.
>> I'll make a motion, Mr. Mayor, that we

1867
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:48,880
approve to pay for the
>> motion for us to authorize Mr. uh Maher

1868
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:54,000
to sign a contract to get the fireworks
and if we don't get the money, we'll

1869
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:56,080
have to allocate it. Is that correct?
>> Yes, sir.

1870
02:39:54,640 --> 02:40:00,720
» We'll allocate it and then maybe pay
that back if you

1871
02:39:58,640 --> 02:40:04,640
Rick has a second. Any discussion on
this motion? Hearing

1872
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:06,560
no discussion, may we have a roll call
vote, please?

1873
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:08,160
» Okay, Seth,
>> yes.

1874
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:10,319
» Gary, yes.
>> Rick, yes.

1875
02:40:09,680 --> 02:40:12,720
» And Laura,
>> yes.

1876
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:16,640
» It is unanimous. Thank you, council. We
can look forward to that. Okay. Next,

1877
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:21,319
we're on Roman numeral 10. Rudy Keith
firet truck pricing discussion. Rudy,

1878
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:29,600
» actually, I brought some have more
paperwork back with uh to go in line

1879
02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:36,680
with what you all had requested last
time.

1880
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:36,680
uh for the the change of date.

1881
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:45,200
» Nothing changed on it. Everything stayed
the same, but the proposal date did

1882
02:40:42,399 --> 02:40:49,840
change.
>> Thank you.

1883
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:57,720
» Thanks, sir.
>> I put the same It's the same packet just

1884
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:57,720
a different front sheet. Thank you.

1885
02:40:57,920 --> 02:41:01,240
» I think that's

1886
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:05,880
» okay.

1887
02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:11,160
Susan had requested.

1888
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:22,240
» So, like I said, uh good evening. Nice
to see you all again today on this

1889
02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:26,880
project. I know it's been a long evening
for all of us, but uh maybe we can work

1890
02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:30,920
through the the purchase of this this
piece of apparatus for us.

1891
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:45,680
Like I said, it's all the same. It's
just the front sheet's only one

1892
02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:50,800
different. I got that third I think the
fourth sheet in is where I broke that

1893
02:41:47,439 --> 02:41:57,280
down last time.
um with the the $100,000 down payment.

1894
02:41:55,280 --> 02:42:03,280
So you would actually be saving, you
know, roughly $5,000 $125 if you paid

1895
02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:07,920
with the the $100,000 down. The the big
difference would be upon delivery of the

1896
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:14,240
apparatus, you would be looking at a
balance of roughly $470,000

1897
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:18,000
at delivery.
>> But just to be clear, this is to replace

1898
02:42:16,319 --> 02:42:21,760
the tanker that we lost, right?
>> That is correct. at the uh October the

1899
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:24,479
10th of 23. Yes.
>> Yes, sir.

1900
02:42:22,319 --> 02:42:29,040
» And we voted our last meeting to approve
the purchase. Correct.

1901
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:34,399
» I think you you all was trying to get
Ronnie to see how he could fund

1902
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:38,560
» the uh the down payment or or something
magnitude.

1903
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:47,120
» Yeah. So, I I I've done some research
into this and we have 30 about 36,000

1904
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:51,680
left over from the uh the first bank and
trust note that we had set aside for

1905
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:56,640
part of the down payment. The other
67,000 would we would need to do a

1906
02:42:53,840 --> 02:43:00,399
budget amendment and uh use unrestricted
funds um for that.

1907
02:42:58,880 --> 02:43:03,120
» How much do we have left over from the
insurance?

1908
02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:06,960
» 37 36.
>> No, no, no. He said 37 from the first

1909
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:11,600
bank of trust loan. Yeah, the from the
insurance that was from like two years

1910
02:43:09,359 --> 02:43:17,359
ago. It's it's
>> that was about 70,000, but we we didn't

1911
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:20,479
ever designated for this purpose.
>> I just wanted to hear somebody tell me

1912
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:27,280
it's gone.
>> Okay. Because just this is side note, if

1913
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:32,080
we wreck another truck,
>> we shouldn't allow any of that money to

1914
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:35,760
be spent on anything else
>> other than replacing the vehicle that we

1915
02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:39,600
wrecked.
>> Just just making a point of that.

1916
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:41,600
» I know that's irrelevant at this point,
but

1917
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:44,720
» relevant. It's relevant,
>> but

1918
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:48,880
» we shouldn't do that. Uh cuz then then
you've got $70,000 of what we're looking

1919
02:43:46,800 --> 02:43:54,000
at $100,000 down payment. So Ronnie, I
guess my question is I don't really see

1920
02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:59,359
the advantage of paying $100,000 down in
this situation. It it's only going to

1921
02:43:56,479 --> 02:44:04,240
alter the financing, you know,5 or
$10,000 a year in a situation where

1922
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:08,880
every penny counts.
>> Yeah, I I felt the same way. I've also

1923
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:15,600
talked to uh had some discussions with
VRA

1924
02:44:10,560 --> 02:44:20,720
on on loans and um like a 10-year loan,
they had a rate of 10 2.6% 6% a 15-year

1925
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:24,880
loan. They had a rate of three and a
quarter. I did not ask them about the

1926
02:44:22,880 --> 02:44:29,680
20-year, which is the useful life. They
usually don't go over the useful life.

1927
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:34,160
So, um those are some other options as
far as the financing.

1928
02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:39,840
» And I think the the last apparatus we
purchased, uh I think it's on a 10-year

1929
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:44,160
note. It's like 65,000 a year is what we
pay on it.

1930
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:46,960
» That's with First Community Bank. Okay.
>> This is the thing that I got problem

1931
02:44:45,680 --> 02:44:53,560
with.
We're paying 575,000

1932
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:53,560
for a tanker truck.

1933
02:44:54,000 --> 02:45:00,479
Okay. Our insurance pays us if we wreck
it 75,000.

1934
02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:03,760
» Yeah, but it was like 100 years old.
>> But we've got a problem there. What if

1935
02:45:02,240 --> 02:45:08,960
we wrecked the new fire truck? What are
they going to pay? We paid 750,000 for

1936
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:13,680
it. But the problem is is nobody's
keeping up with that, working on that,

1937
02:45:11,279 --> 02:45:18,560
making sure that we get our money back
from the insurance company. Because if

1938
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:22,479
like my equipment, if I don't list what
it's worth,

1939
02:45:20,880 --> 02:45:26,000
» well, and I don't disagree with you.
However, in this situation, they're only

1940
02:45:24,240 --> 02:45:29,279
going to pay us what it's worth at the
time. It's not it's not what what I

1941
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:32,800
mean, if you buy if I buy a new vehicle
at Rays and I wreck it, you know, a year

1942
02:45:31,200 --> 02:45:34,960
down the road, it's not worth as much as
it was when I drove it off the lot.

1943
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:38,640
» Appreciate it.
>> Yeah. And I think that's a situation.

1944
02:45:37,040 --> 02:45:42,479
It's the depreciable asset. That thing
was what 20 years older.

1945
02:45:39,760 --> 02:45:44,319
» The the tanker was probably 25 to 30
years old,

1946
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:49,359
» but the truck wasn't
>> the truck was like an ' 07. I mean, that

1947
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:53,279
cabin chassis didn't cost $70,000 when
that cabin chassis was bought,

1948
02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:54,160
» right? So, it's still almost 18 years
old.

1949
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:58,560
» Yeah.
>> But we got our we got our money back.

1950
02:45:56,319 --> 02:46:03,120
But what I'm worried about, if we buy a
$500,000 tanker truck, we need to make

1951
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:06,640
sure the insurance will cover that
truck. Well, if we have a loan, then

1952
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:11,359
you've got your own right there. You've
got an amortization schedule on it

1953
02:46:09,359 --> 02:46:16,319
immediately. And and if we do it through
Virginia um resource authority, I feel

1954
02:46:14,319 --> 02:46:19,040
like that's that's also another credible
factor in that insurance piece. I'm not

1955
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:21,920
so much worried about that and I
understand exactly what you're talking

1956
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:26,960
about, Rick. But I I feel like in this
situation, we re we probably got more

1957
02:46:24,319 --> 02:46:32,000
than we should have out of a, you know,
out of a 20 or 30 year old asset. And I

1958
02:46:30,479 --> 02:46:34,399
still I wish we had that money today cuz
it would make it a lot easier.

1959
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:39,200
» Yeah.
>> And we just had uh Skyline that just had

1960
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:42,880
re remanufactured everything underneath
the tank probably

1961
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:45,600
» I don't know maybe six months prior to
it cuz every all the bolts broke loose

1962
02:46:44,479 --> 02:46:49,279
out from under
>> and that probably cost it

1963
02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:53,040
» uh it's probably 10 or 15,000 just for
that. But

1964
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:56,960
» I mean and you know they're keeping
meticulous records on this kind of stuff

1965
02:46:54,880 --> 02:47:00,560
anyway. I I'm not concerned about that
as much as now we got to figure out how

1966
02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:03,600
to finance a because we don't have a
plan. We have to figure out how to

1967
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:07,520
finance a, you know, half a million
dollar fire truck. And thankfully,

1968
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:12,080
Virginia Resource Authority will give it
if we go 15 years, we'll get it for 3%,

1969
02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:15,760
which is wonderful, you know, but at the
same time, we still have to budget now

1970
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:20,880
to pay for a tanker truck, which we got
to have because everybody in this town's

1971
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:24,720
ISO rating depends on the equipment that
we have, the manpower that we have, and

1972
02:47:23,200 --> 02:47:28,560
the ability that we have to put out a
fire. You guys have to have that. I know

1973
02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:31,359
you have uh, you know, interoperation
agreements now. You got other people

1974
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:34,560
backing you up. We have another tanker
truck at Clayo Hill. But at the same

1975
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:37,439
time, you got two fires that you need
them right now. We're

1976
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:40,399
» And that tanker at Clayo Hill is
actually in Ron Oak. Been there since

1977
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:44,240
December.
>> It's being repaired. Yeah.

1978
02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:47,439
» Being prepared. I got email uh Thursday
of last week.

1979
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:52,160
» They got all the Darly parts in. They
were just they supposed to start uh

1980
02:47:49,439 --> 02:47:56,240
fixing it today. Two weeks out, but you
know, that's that's another truck that's

1981
02:47:54,479 --> 02:47:59,600
the county was gracious enough to give
us a tanker to put in its place and it's

1982
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:04,319
it's prevailed. I promise you.
>> What's delivery on this Rudy?

1983
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:07,760
» Uh 2 to 3 years. 24 to 30 months I think
is what he said.

1984
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:11,600
» So the other benefit is
>> we got we got 24 to 30 months to

1985
02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:15,520
prepare.
>> Right.

1986
02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:20,640
» But I mean Ronnie, unless you unless I'm
wrong, my my inclination would be we

1987
02:48:18,720 --> 02:48:24,880
finance the whole thing. I don't see a
tremendous advantage of us spending

1988
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:27,120
$100,000 that extra that we don't have.
>> Yeah. No, no, I agree with that.

1989
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:30,240
» Okay.
>> Yeah. your your saving is only $5,125,

1990
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:32,479
» right?
>> I mean, to me, that's

1991
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:36,240
» I'm not making light of that. It's a
significant amount of money. It's just

1992
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:38,720
» for us to not have to put out $100,000
right now is probably makes more sense.

1993
02:48:37,359 --> 02:48:41,680
» Keith Keith, I got a question.
>> Yes, sir.

1994
02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:45,840
» What do we have to pay to get it
started?

1995
02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:48,000
» Nothing. And your payment is due the day
that it's delivered.

1996
02:48:46,880 --> 02:48:52,640
» Okay.
>> Start the process with VRA and let them

1997
02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:57,279
know in 24 to 30 months that you're
going to start the finance of this

1998
02:48:54,560 --> 02:49:02,080
apparatus. And then once it's delivered
from Wisconsin to Ron Oak and then to

1999
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:05,920
us, that's when the payment is is
>> But over the next two budgeting cycles,

2000
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:11,040
we need to begin to plan
>> and look at incorporate this in.

2001
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:14,640
» So what is Go ahead. What is the will of
the council? Would you like to make a

2002
02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:18,319
motion to proceed?
>> Mr. Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion that

2003
02:49:15,920 --> 02:49:22,960
we proceed and that we proceed with
option one, I believe, which is to

2004
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:26,160
finance the entire vehicle and have uh
our staff reach out to VRA and begin

2005
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:30,800
preparation for that.
>> Okay, there's a motion to proceed. Rick

2006
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:35,520
has a second. Is there any discussion on
this motion to get a tanker truck,

2007
02:49:33,359 --> 02:49:37,520
» which we need hearing? No discussion.
May we have a roll call vote, please,

2008
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:38,800
Amanda?
>> Yeah. Okay. Seth,

2009
02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:40,240
» yes.
>> Gary,

2010
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:42,399
» yes.
>> Rick, yes.

2011
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:44,800
» Shan, and Laura?
>> Yes.

2012
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:46,880
» Motion carries. Thank you, Rudy.
>> Thank you all.

2013
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:48,800
» Trucks on the way. All right.
>> Two or three years.

2014
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:50,319
» One question, Rudy.
>> Yes, sir.

2015
02:49:49,359 --> 02:49:54,399
» Is it yellow?
>> No, sir. No, sir. It's red and white.

2016
02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:58,560
That's the only picture he had. Uh, no.
No. Uh, fire trucks are designed to be

2017
02:49:56,800 --> 02:50:00,800
red and white for honor and courage.
>> Amen.

2018
02:49:58,880 --> 02:50:01,920
» Y'all, there's no choice of it.
>> Thank you.

2019
02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:04,319
» Thank you.
>> I'm glad you said that. That's

2020
02:50:03,760 --> 02:50:07,279
important.
>> Red and white. Everything we got is red

2021
02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:11,840
and white.
>> Thank you.

2022
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:17,680
That's a cool little tidbit. All right.
It's very important. All right. Next we

2023
02:50:13,840 --> 02:50:25,200
have uh Roman numeral 10 H salt building
and we have a folder here and I'll defer

2024
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:31,200
to Mr. Maher
or whomever

2025
02:50:27,520 --> 02:50:34,800
Jason come on up chef. So, this is just
a again

2026
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:39,160
a bigger discussion. You're having a lot
of them tonight, but um

2027
02:50:39,359 --> 02:50:44,880
one of the things that we're going at
least from my assessment that we're

2028
02:50:42,720 --> 02:50:50,880
going to have to think about long term,
right, is all of the assets that we

2029
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:55,120
have, their life of them. Things don't
have indefinite lives. You have How many

2030
02:50:53,359 --> 02:50:57,920
of you have actually seen our current
salt building?

2031
02:50:57,439 --> 02:51:07,520
» I have.
>> Thank you. It it is with this recent

2032
02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:12,319
high usage is even worse.
I believe it's a huge safety risk from

2033
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:16,800
my experience. You have cracked
foundations, doors that won't open on

2034
02:51:15,120 --> 02:51:22,399
the back of it now because of its
movement. And when you go with a loader

2035
02:51:19,840 --> 02:51:28,319
into a building that has that type of
disrepair to try to pick up salt and

2036
02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:33,200
load it, you're creating risk for your
driver on your loader. You're create of

2037
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:37,840
the building collapsing in its current
condition. That's an issue with this. We

2038
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:42,399
don't have the capacity we need, which
we've experienced it this year with

2039
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:48,160
multiple back-to-back events.
You can't buy enough salt at a time when

2040
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:53,600
it's cheap for you to get it because you
can't store it because you don't have

2041
02:51:50,160 --> 02:51:59,040
capacity in the facility and you have a
building that leaks, which I don't know

2042
02:51:55,840 --> 02:52:04,640
if you're aware, but water and salt
mixture is not what we want to happen

2043
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:09,120
when we're going to use it for uh
spreading on roads and having safety for

2044
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:15,760
our streets. So, we look for
opportunities when we have these things

2045
02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:20,479
come forward for um
what will some of our VOTE money help us

2046
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:24,640
do? Because we should think about that
in multiple buckets. We have a bucket of

2047
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:28,720
labor when we have these snow events,
when we're doing VOTE roads that we can

2048
02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:33,920
build back. We have equipment buckets
for where we can get resources um that

2049
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:42,080
are utilized on those projects. And then
of course um we have dollars for our our

2050
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:45,600
Virginia road paving programs. So I'm
going to let turn over to Jason. I think

2051
02:52:43,439 --> 02:52:50,319
he did a great job. I'm very proud of
the proposal that he has outlined for

2052
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:54,399
you. There are details that still need
to be worked out. Um he had shared with

2053
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:58,640
me that some of you have said, "Well,
where are we going to put it?" um which

2054
02:52:56,640 --> 02:53:02,640
is something that as a council I'd like
you to ultimately end up with a public

2055
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:06,640
works committee uh to be able to talk
about these kinds of of things. But

2056
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:11,359
that's something that can come forward
because again this is putting in an

2057
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:16,240
order. Um you can imagine that all of
the

2058
02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:21,600
um towns and municipalities in the state
of Virginia today that have similar

2059
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:27,279
situations without adequate buildings
are talking about this. And so, um, he

2060
02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:32,000
can speak to the timing of the the
project. I think it's an item that we

2061
02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:36,319
should be looking at, which is why I
have it in front of me today.

2062
02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:42,960
» Thank you.
>> I put together this for you guys. Um,

2063
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:48,800
this Greystone Construction, they, uh,
they do a lot with DOS, municipalities

2064
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:54,080
across the state of Virginia and all
over the country. Um, the, like Mr. Mar

2065
02:53:51,920 --> 02:53:58,960
said the great thing about this whole
project is and I added the email just to

2066
02:53:56,560 --> 02:54:05,279
kind of clarify that. So I reached out
to VOTE to make certain of it and they

2067
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:10,960
will fully let us use our maintenance
money for the salt building because we

2068
02:54:07,840 --> 02:54:14,880
use it so heavily on VOTE roads. So
that's, you know, as far as the money

2069
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:20,960
aspect of it, me and Ronnie have made a
few times on it. Um there is no money

2070
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:26,080
that I'm asking for. It's just more of,
you know, we got to get this thing

2071
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:31,680
moving and so we can have it. You know,
like Mr. Marsh said, if we if we don't

2072
02:54:29,600 --> 02:54:36,800
get going on it now, then we're not
going to have it by next year or maybe

2073
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:41,680
the next year. Um, the VOTE funding is
there. It It is I think, you know, I

2074
02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:45,439
know we have some paving projects we
want to do, but me and Ronnie's looked

2075
02:54:44,080 --> 02:54:48,960
at it a few different times, a few
different ways, even moving money. I

2076
02:54:47,359 --> 02:54:54,000
think tonight he's proposing maybe to
move some money over for labor and stuff

2077
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:59,760
like we talked in the past, but um the
the cost of the building is is pretty

2078
02:54:57,279 --> 02:55:03,600
low considering the type of building it
is versus what

2079
02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:08,399
uh building kind of building we have
now. So, if you guys have any questions,

2080
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:12,080
really now would be the time. I pretty
much laid it all out in front of you,

2081
02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:16,479
but now's the time to hit the questions,
I guess.

2082
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:21,359
» Who are you considering putting this?
That's a really good question. Um, I got

2083
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:25,520
He said too, I showed him our our public
works building and where we're at, you

2084
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:30,560
know, considering where we are coming
off of 67 to everybody seeing me and

2085
02:55:28,640 --> 02:55:34,240
Rick has spoke about it a few times. I
know we have the property on Iron

2086
02:55:32,160 --> 02:55:39,439
Street, you know, that's a thought. Get
us out of the middle of Richlands and

2087
02:55:36,960 --> 02:55:45,200
then that opens up this property that
you guys have for anything. You know,

2088
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:50,000
sky's the limit there. Um,
if that's not an option for you all,

2089
02:55:47,120 --> 02:55:54,720
then you know we we have the big open
field over here that we could put it.

2090
02:55:52,080 --> 02:55:59,600
But I think, you know, getting us out of
the middle of Richlands is is the ideal

2091
02:55:57,680 --> 02:56:02,399
thing. And that would be great to have
that public works committee to kind of

2092
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:07,600
sit down and talk through these things
of where where you guys look to see a

2093
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:11,600
public works building. Do Let me
question. If we agree to do the

2094
02:56:09,359 --> 02:56:17,279
building, do we have to identify where
we're building the building today?

2095
02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:21,200
» No. No. This just gets them to order to
or to get it ordered and then they'll be

2096
02:56:19,359 --> 02:56:24,640
it'll be probably I talked to the guy
earlier this week. You know, of course,

2097
02:56:23,359 --> 02:56:27,840
they're not going to give me any kind of
timelines until I say, "Hey, we're

2098
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:33,520
buying a building." That's just how that
works. But he feels like where we're at

2099
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:39,680
with approval now about middle of
summer, end of summer by he I he ensured

2100
02:56:36,720 --> 02:56:44,560
me by winter time next year we are
having a structure with salt in it. So

2101
02:56:42,880 --> 02:56:50,319
and and none of that's kind of
negotiated until we say hey yeah we're

2102
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:55,520
going forward with this project.
>> Um obviously we need it. U I'm just

2103
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:59,200
looking at pictures. Uh do you what do
you think it's going to look like? Uh

2104
02:56:57,439 --> 02:57:04,479
you have any thoughts here?
>> Uh I'm looking on page 11. All these

2105
02:57:02,240 --> 02:57:08,800
place Menota Heights, Upper Marra,
different kinds. Not that it really

2106
02:57:06,720 --> 02:57:13,600
matters. I just want to It's curious.
>> Yeah. The the more the more one the one

2107
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:17,120
that's more along the lines that's in
the the

2108
02:57:15,439 --> 02:57:20,399
back of this that they presented is the
one that's in the uh North Carolina

2109
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:23,200
there in the middle.
>> Monroe.

2110
02:57:21,040 --> 02:57:29,520
» Monroe. Yep. Monroe. That's that's the
one that it's got the

2111
02:57:27,279 --> 02:57:34,160
the it's got outside peers and then
inside peers which the only other cost I

2112
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:38,720
do want to mention that. So once this is
built I all we have to have is a level

2113
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:43,520
surface. That's it. A graveled level
surface. They come in they set the peers

2114
02:57:41,600 --> 02:57:46,880
they set the inside peers and we they
they're kind of like teed on the bottom.

2115
02:57:45,040 --> 02:57:51,359
So then the paving company that would be
the other cost which we can also use VOT

2116
02:57:49,040 --> 02:57:55,120
money for would be paving the inside of
it. So once it's built, then we go in

2117
02:57:53,439 --> 02:57:59,680
and pave the inside of it and it's a
done deal. And that kind of locks all

2118
02:57:57,439 --> 02:58:06,399
those peers in once the way they're made
on the bottom. And it's doublewalled. So

2119
02:58:02,399 --> 02:58:11,040
that galvanized material sets on those
outside peers and then you have inside

2120
02:58:08,800 --> 02:58:14,080
peers to where your salt actually is
stored. And it kind of you kind of

2121
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:16,000
» it's not putting pressure on the
outside.

2122
02:58:14,560 --> 02:58:21,040
» Exactly. And you don't have that
spillage constantly on on the on the

2123
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:24,160
material itself. And I figured a
question. So I reached out to him

2124
02:58:22,399 --> 02:58:29,359
earlier this week too. I figured a
question that might arise is the

2125
02:58:26,479 --> 02:58:35,040
lifespan of it being a tarp basically a
fabric building. I figured that was a

2126
02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:40,479
question. So he he says 20 to 25 years.
And I said the question that I had, you

2127
02:58:37,680 --> 02:58:45,760
know, was that cost look like? He said
the framing material, you know, is

2128
02:58:44,080 --> 02:58:50,800
indestructible other than if you just
run it over. He said the, you know, the

2129
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:54,880
20 to 25 year mark on the fabric. He
said right now, if I was fab, you know,

2130
02:58:52,800 --> 02:58:58,800
putting fabric on one now that we had,
you're looking at about a 20 to $30,000

2131
02:58:56,960 --> 02:59:00,880
cost. You know, 25 years from now, it's
>> going to be more. But

2132
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:04,399
» if we're all still standing here, it's
going to be more. But that kind of gives

2133
02:59:02,399 --> 02:59:09,359
you an idea in today's world what the
fabric cost if you have to refabric it.

2134
02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:13,600
» So, Ronnie, and you you've checked and
we 100% can use road maintenance funds

2135
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:16,560
to pay for this.
>> Yep.

2136
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:19,920
The email we have it in.
>> Yeah, I I sent an email.

2137
02:59:18,160 --> 02:59:24,240
» You you actually emailed me, didn't I?
>> The email's in this packet. If you'll

2138
02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:26,800
flip, it's like let's see. It's like
middle ways.

2139
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:28,960
» It's right here. John Leonard here.
>> The John

2140
02:59:28,399 --> 02:59:33,200
» Leonard.
>> Leonard is is the guy that's over.

2141
02:59:31,279 --> 02:59:36,960
» I made certain that that was
>> No, that's great. Great plan. I

2142
02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:38,640
appreciate that.
>> So,

2143
02:59:37,279 --> 02:59:44,160
» yeah. I mean, I think we need it. I
think that I'd like to see um I'd like

2144
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:49,120
to see us decide where that's going to
be working with with you guys to figure

2145
02:59:46,479 --> 02:59:54,880
out what that looks like cuz that's we
need to put this into a long range plan

2146
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:59,840
with all the everything else and as long
as I know I'm I think this is a a great

2147
02:59:57,840 --> 03:00:04,560
idea. It's kind of terrifying looking at
that other building.

2148
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:10,319
» Do we need a motion on this to proceed?
Is there a motion to authorize uh Shep

2149
03:00:08,319 --> 03:00:13,439
and Mr. Mar to proceed with the purchase
of this this structure?

2150
03:00:12,399 --> 03:00:17,680
» I'll make the motion.
>> Rick has the motion. Is there a second?

2151
03:00:16,720 --> 03:00:21,120
» Second, Mr. Mayor.
>> And Seth, there's a second. Is there any

2152
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:22,720
discussion on this motion?
>> I have a question.

2153
03:00:22,160 --> 03:00:28,080
» Yes.
>> You're checking on the co costs and

2154
03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:31,359
different things. This is not to
actually purchase right now. This is a

2155
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:35,040
purchase.
>> It is the purchase, I think. Yeah.

2156
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:38,720
» Do we know the cost?
>> This the Yeah, it's in the back there.

2157
03:00:37,120 --> 03:00:42,800
The cost is at the bottom. And
>> do we procure this or how do we get

2158
03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:47,040
this? Is this a already precured?
>> It's source. I don't have to do any kind

2159
03:00:44,479 --> 03:00:49,520
of procurement. So, it's
>> once I get the go ahead, it's done. That

2160
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:51,920
that price.
>> The third page from the back has your

2161
03:00:51,279 --> 03:00:55,960
cost.
>> It's right here.

2162
03:00:52,960 --> 03:00:55,960
$60,000.

2163
03:00:56,319 --> 03:01:03,760
» And if you on the next page, if you have
any questions about that where it says

2164
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:06,319
the the add the 20,000, that's if we
don't have a level surface. But, you

2165
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:11,520
know, we have the equipment and the
means to add the surface. That's for

2166
03:01:08,880 --> 03:01:17,760
additional peers. I don't feel like
that's going to be it.

2167
03:01:14,880 --> 03:01:19,200
» Okay. Any further questions,
>> ma'am?

2168
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:23,200
» I do. Yes.
>> Sorry, Gary. You go. You

2169
03:01:20,319 --> 03:01:29,439
» go ahead. Um, Jason, I just want to tell
you why I'm going to vote no on this.

2170
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:34,000
Um, if you would bring this back for the
next budget, and it was in the budget, I

2171
03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:40,240
would completely work that into the next
budget. U, we've had a lot, even tonight

2172
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:46,960
with the fire truck. We've had a lot of
budget amendments, things come up. um

2173
03:01:43,359 --> 03:01:54,800
nothing to do with you, but the a former
town manager um kind of got creative

2174
03:01:50,000 --> 03:02:00,479
with some of the VOTE funds. And I
personally want to see and make sure

2175
03:01:56,960 --> 03:02:04,240
ensure that we are using that not just
for all this equipment, but also to make

2176
03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:10,319
sure that our paving projects are
covered. Um so tonight I'm going to be a

2177
03:02:06,800 --> 03:02:16,720
no on it. However, if if and I I think
it'll pass either way, but um if it were

2178
03:02:14,399 --> 03:02:20,080
in a capital expenditure for the next
budget, I absolutely would work that in

2179
03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:27,359
there.
>> Okay. Any further discussion? Thank you.

2180
03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:30,800
» Uh yes, on the uh VOTE funding, Ronnie,
how much paving are we going to do this

2181
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:35,439
year
and how much money will be left or is

2182
03:02:33,279 --> 03:02:41,760
available for how much? I think the new
plan was for us to do like 500,000 every

2183
03:02:38,319 --> 03:02:46,240
other year and then the other balance of
the 1.3 million we received would be

2184
03:02:43,920 --> 03:02:51,600
used for things like this labor
materials.

2185
03:02:48,240 --> 03:02:57,800
Um is that coming quarterly
or

2186
03:02:52,319 --> 03:02:57,800
» Yes. Yeah, we get 325,000 quarterly.

2187
03:02:58,479 --> 03:03:06,240
» Thank you, Ron.
>> Any Thank you. Any further questions

2188
03:03:02,240 --> 03:03:09,120
from council regarding this motion?
Hearing no further questions, may we

2189
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:10,399
have a roll call vote, please?
>> Okay. Seth,

2190
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:12,399
» yes.
>> Sherry,

2191
03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:13,439
» no.
>> Rick,

2192
03:03:12,960 --> 03:03:14,399
» yes.
>> Jan,

2193
03:03:14,080 --> 03:03:16,319
» yes.
>> And Laura,

2194
03:03:15,040 --> 03:03:22,680
» no.
>> Motion carries. 3 to two. Let the record

2195
03:03:18,800 --> 03:03:22,680
reflect. Thank you.

2196
03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:29,120
» We're good. Thanks, Y.
>> Okay. I think I'm up again.

2197
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:39,319
» Yeah, I'm up again.
>> Okay. Now we've next we've got Romanal

2198
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:39,319
10 uh I motor graater which is this.

2199
03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:46,240
So just to give you a quick rundown I
know everybody's tired and ready to get

2200
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:51,120
out of here. um when this big snowstorm
come about, you know, when you get when

2201
03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:55,520
you're getting the levels of snow that
they first said we were going to get

2202
03:03:52,399 --> 03:04:00,720
that twoft, you know, on range, you
know, that becomes really hard for the

2203
03:03:58,399 --> 03:04:04,560
snow trucks to plow back. So, you know,
VOTE, uh Rick can speak to this, all

2204
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:09,200
other companies, they start seeking out
graders. Uh you know, a grater has the

2205
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:14,319
ability to have that down pressure. It's
a lot bigger machine to kick that snow

2206
03:04:11,439 --> 03:04:17,760
off the road and get it kicked back. Um,
we've always did that and through big

2207
03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:21,279
snows. We've not had a lot of big snows
in the last several years. Some of you

2208
03:04:19,439 --> 03:04:25,520
have maybe have seen it. Some of you may
have not. But so I kind of panicked a

2209
03:04:24,399 --> 03:04:30,160
little bit when when I knew we was going
to get that level of snow because our

2210
03:04:27,120 --> 03:04:34,800
motor is a 1984 model and it's been
broke down since last year. It's can't

2211
03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:40,640
find parts for it. It's it's just been a
nightmare. Just a money pit. So

2212
03:04:37,680 --> 03:04:45,920
scrambled a little bit. Carter Cat of
course is biggest greater place to

2213
03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:50,399
purchase rental here and around close.
Then John Deere everybody in the state

2214
03:04:48,319 --> 03:04:55,120
grabbed graders up. We we had nothing to
get. So I reached out and found you know

2215
03:04:52,479 --> 03:04:59,279
United Rental Company and they actually
didn't have this grater. They on their

2216
03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:03,359
lot and then they called me back and
said, "Hey, you're in luck. We actually

2217
03:05:01,040 --> 03:05:09,680
have one." So, of course, I went ahead
and rented it. And going back to VOTE

2218
03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:15,279
funds, you know, all that all that time,
and it kind of talks about that in in in

2219
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:20,800
the financial plan, you know, all that
time spent with that greater. Uh we have

2220
03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:27,520
a set rate that we charge hourly when we
run a machine. So, that's per the

2221
03:05:24,160 --> 03:05:32,000
operator, the machine, what have you.
So, we had a plan to pay that 10,000

2222
03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:36,800
rental costs back through using it
through that snowstorm. Um, went ahead

2223
03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:41,439
rented the grater. Then they let us know
that, you know, hey, this grater is

2224
03:05:38,399 --> 03:05:44,960
actually for sale. Uh, just a crazy
opportunity that come about. They

2225
03:05:43,200 --> 03:05:49,840
offered to sell the sell the grater to
us for $70,000.

2226
03:05:47,359 --> 03:05:53,439
I knew that, you know, asking for that
amount just to come out of general fund

2227
03:05:51,359 --> 03:05:58,000
money was just uncalled for right now. I
know the situation. I see the budget.

2228
03:05:55,600 --> 03:06:04,479
Uh, so I kind of hit the ground running
on my budget that's already approved and

2229
03:06:02,080 --> 03:06:10,160
I started looking towards my my street
bridge sidewalk maintenance. So in my

2230
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:14,479
budget, that money is more so for town
road projects. Um, most of the time

2231
03:06:12,560 --> 03:06:18,960
that's eat up pretty quick. The reason
that there's a a bigger amount in there

2232
03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:24,720
right now is because as all of you know,
we work pretty much all summer, all fall

2233
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:30,800
on BOT projects like the project up at
the school. That was where our main

2234
03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:35,680
focus went to. So, I had available money
sitting there and also in my traffic

2235
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:40,560
safety line, I had money in my budget
due to the fact that I know that's

2236
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:45,120
amount that's not really used right now,
but typically it is. But where the

2237
03:06:42,800 --> 03:06:49,439
detour project come in, I used a lot of
VOTE money to to fund buying a lot of

2238
03:06:47,840 --> 03:06:54,880
the traffic safety stuff that we would
generally buy. So, I did have money in

2239
03:06:52,720 --> 03:06:59,840
both of those accounts. So, I'm not
really asking to for money. I'm asking

2240
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:02,479
for more permission to purchase this
grater with money that I have in my

2241
03:07:01,680 --> 03:07:07,760
budget.
>> So, thank you, Chef. I've got a I have a

2242
03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:11,359
quick question. Uh, you run this
particular grade, right? Personally,

2243
03:07:09,680 --> 03:07:15,600
» yes. Do you think it's in good shape for
a used one?

2244
03:07:12,240 --> 03:07:21,200
» Absolutely. It is. It is in great shape.
I I personally think it would be a great

2245
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:26,080
buy for the town. I honestly think this
thing will be here when I'm retired and

2246
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:29,760
gone and 20, 30 years from now. It is a
great grater. You know, and that's why

2247
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:33,680
we've always held on to a grater for so
many years. You know, the one that I

2248
03:07:31,520 --> 03:07:40,240
first run when I come here was a 1960
model. Uh they had that thing for 40ome

2249
03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:43,840
years, 50 some years. uh this dresser
they've had for 20ome years. They bought

2250
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:50,160
from the county, I think, for the same
almost the same price 20ome years ago.

2251
03:07:47,680 --> 03:07:56,560
So, you know, absolutely. I think this
is a great purchase. $70,000 for

2252
03:07:52,560 --> 03:08:00,399
$300,000 machine. Uh that, you know, I
know a lot of the heartburn with a

2253
03:07:58,240 --> 03:08:04,880
grader is, well, we don't use it a lot.
But if you all think back to

2254
03:08:03,279 --> 03:08:09,520
when I took the public works director
job, I said there's a lot of things that

2255
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:13,200
we that a lot of the reason our roads
are in the shape that they're in is lack

2256
03:08:11,439 --> 03:08:16,960
of maintenance that we wasn't doing that
made our roads in bad shape. And

2257
03:08:15,200 --> 03:08:21,520
shouldering roads is one of those. And
you know, if you all remember back when

2258
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:25,279
we did Kinch Ridge, you know that that
road's holding up great. The shoulders

2259
03:08:23,120 --> 03:08:28,319
aren't breaking off, but we're they
haven't done that in a year or so. This

2260
03:08:26,720 --> 03:08:32,319
summer we're going to have to rent a
grater again and cut shoulders across

2261
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:35,680
Kent Ridge. We're going to have to cut
shoulders on Pizza Hut Highway. We're

2262
03:08:34,319 --> 03:08:39,439
going to have to cut shoulders going on
across Farmer Street. You know the if

2263
03:08:37,760 --> 03:08:44,000
you don't maintain those roads, you're
going to then you're going to be, you

2264
03:08:41,520 --> 03:08:48,640
know, breaking the sides off. It is an
important piece of equipment. And when

2265
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:52,479
it snows, like this past snow, had we
not had it, the roads would have been in

2266
03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:56,319
awful shape. When everything froze, we
got down to zero temperatures. I know

2267
03:08:54,640 --> 03:09:00,240
Laura seen me coming up through Hidden
Valley. There's no getting that snow off

2268
03:08:58,160 --> 03:09:04,160
the road. Plow trucks, they have no down
pressure. You can't cut that stuff off.

2269
03:09:02,240 --> 03:09:08,000
When when it comes to freezing, you have
to have something to cut it off. I think

2270
03:09:05,840 --> 03:09:11,439
you even seen I come up your place.
>> Uh that was so packed down, those plow

2271
03:09:10,080 --> 03:09:15,200
trucks aren't going to pile it off. Had
I not made I mean made that run up

2272
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:18,800
there, you'd have never it would have
been days before that melted off. So

2273
03:09:17,359 --> 03:09:24,000
having it during these last two
snowstorms was and especially where we

2274
03:09:21,439 --> 03:09:29,760
were short on salt was
was a great move by renting it and I

2275
03:09:27,279 --> 03:09:35,520
think it'd be a great move to you know
have y'all's permission to

2276
03:09:32,000 --> 03:09:39,840
» actually using this gratorm.
>> Yes, ma'am. They had to rent it cuz the

2277
03:09:38,319 --> 03:09:44,160
other one's been broken down.
>> I saw I saw it but I I thought they got

2278
03:09:42,399 --> 03:09:48,720
it fixed.
>> It's the rented one. It's It's only 45

2279
03:09:48,080 --> 03:09:53,600
years old.
>> Uh council, what you you've got the

2280
03:09:51,040 --> 03:09:58,479
money. What you're wanting is approval.
>> Yeah. It's just such a large, you know,

2281
03:09:57,040 --> 03:10:02,160
expense and we're going to have to move
money around to do it.

2282
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:06,160
» That's very thoughtful to ask. Council
council, what is your desire here? Would

2283
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:11,120
you like a motion to approve this? I
think it would be a proper one.

2284
03:10:08,319 --> 03:10:14,880
I'm just going to say I cannot support
it. Another piece of equipment to set

2285
03:10:13,200 --> 03:10:17,840
out in the weather over there because
that's the worst thing on this

2286
03:10:16,240 --> 03:10:23,120
equipment. We've got a bunch of it over
there now. New equipment. We should

2287
03:10:20,800 --> 03:10:29,279
build some sheds or something first. But
if we go with this now, I will be a no

2288
03:10:25,439 --> 03:10:32,720
due to that back. Sorry. Okay. Any other
uh thoughts, council?

2289
03:10:32,080 --> 03:10:38,960
Um
>> I same thing, Jason. I'm sorry. I know

2290
03:10:35,439 --> 03:10:42,800
you guys need it, but we have not had a
good and it's not you. We as the

2291
03:10:41,439 --> 03:10:48,800
council, we've not had a good track
record of following our own budget this

2292
03:10:44,880 --> 03:10:54,080
year. So, I will be a no on it. But
again, um I think before we do our next

2293
03:10:51,600 --> 03:10:58,560
budget, I think we should have you guys
more involved and talk about your

2294
03:10:56,560 --> 03:11:05,760
capital projects so we can work that
into a budget, start to plan for it. Um,

2295
03:11:02,319 --> 03:11:10,240
but since it is an amendment, budget
amendment now, I' I've got to be a no on

2296
03:11:07,840 --> 03:11:13,439
it until the next budget.
>> Well, we have uh no motion. We have two

2297
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:16,560
nos.
>> Well,

2298
03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:19,120
» anybody want to take um an alternate
course?

2299
03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:22,800
» Question. What happened with the sheds
that you all were going to build to

2300
03:11:21,120 --> 03:11:28,479
store the equipment in?
>> They kind of died when Jason left and I

2301
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:32,080
actually spoke it on, you know, and it
it all kind of falls in together, Gary.

2302
03:11:30,399 --> 03:11:36,000
me and you've talked about it.
>> When this salt building comes, you guys

2303
03:11:34,319 --> 03:11:40,080
absolutely need to build us a public
works department. We have 20ome men in

2304
03:11:38,319 --> 03:11:44,160
one bathroom. We don't, you know, I
showed Don a place. We don't have a

2305
03:11:42,240 --> 03:11:47,920
place. You know, absolutely we have
nowhere to store this equipment, but

2306
03:11:46,000 --> 03:11:52,000
absolutely we can't do work without the
equipment. So, you know, you're either

2307
03:11:50,319 --> 03:11:55,439
going to pay for this grater now or
you're going to pay for it throughout

2308
03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:58,800
the year if you want road maintenance
done because it's 10 grand to rent one

2309
03:11:57,760 --> 03:12:01,680
every time.
>> I have a question. I mean, if we have

2310
03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:04,319
this salt building built,
>> can you not park some stuff underneath

2311
03:12:03,439 --> 03:12:06,640
the salt building?
>> Absolutely. I mean,

2312
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:10,240
» during most of the year, we're not I
mean, obviously not during, you know,

2313
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:13,040
the time when we're using it, but
>> I don't I don't see you having it full

2314
03:12:11,840 --> 03:12:18,000
of salt all the time.
>> That ain't a good idea. Salt rust metal

2315
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:21,040
and parking equipment in there just
makes

2316
03:12:19,600 --> 03:12:24,720
» it's not a bad idea. No,
>> you know, my thought was and I talked to

2317
03:12:22,960 --> 03:12:28,080
Don about it. You know, if we get the
salt built, which you know, you guys

2318
03:12:26,479 --> 03:12:32,640
approved moving forward with the salt
building, we find a home for it. I would

2319
03:12:30,960 --> 03:12:37,840
like to sit down with you guys and talk
to you about my budget and be involved

2320
03:12:35,279 --> 03:12:42,240
in it and let you understand why we're
doing the things we're doing and we're

2321
03:12:39,600 --> 03:12:45,040
not just wastefully spending things. And
I would like to put in, you know, if

2322
03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:50,080
we're going to build our salt building
on Iron Street, then let's budget in

2323
03:12:47,920 --> 03:12:53,359
letting me get a general contractor to
build some sheds to put this equipment

2324
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:57,439
under. You absolutely need your
equipment under sheds. But

2325
03:12:55,120 --> 03:13:01,600
» I mean, I and I understand what Gary and
Laura are saying. I completely agree

2326
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:05,520
with that. Here's the problem. If he
came to us during the budget cycle and

2327
03:13:03,120 --> 03:13:09,600
he said, "I need $100,000 to buy a
grater." I know what everybody would

2328
03:13:07,359 --> 03:13:16,000
have said. No, we're not buying any
equipment. So, I mean, correct me if I'm

2329
03:13:13,439 --> 03:13:20,240
wrong, but I'm pretty sure that we said
no expenditures, no rate. You know what

2330
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:25,920
I'm saying? We wouldn't have agreed to
do it then anyway. So, I I 100% get what

2331
03:13:23,680 --> 03:13:30,960
we're saying. But luckily, this year
with the bridge project, you haven't had

2332
03:13:27,600 --> 03:13:34,960
to use your bridge funds because we got
a we don't have we only have two bridges

2333
03:13:33,359 --> 03:13:40,239
instead of three. You know, you're not
doing as much. And thankfully once this

2334
03:13:37,120 --> 03:13:45,120
bridge is complete, we have three fairly
new bridges. I'd say a lot of your

2335
03:13:42,399 --> 03:13:46,239
bridge funds every year went to fix this
mess.

2336
03:13:45,760 --> 03:13:49,840
» It did
>> over here. So you haven't had to spend

2337
03:13:48,399 --> 03:13:54,160
that this year cuz that's under contract
with VOTE to build that.

2338
03:13:51,279 --> 03:13:57,840
» We do have another bridge to build Maple
Lane.

2339
03:13:56,479 --> 03:14:02,160
» Is that this year? Is that in
>> I don't know.

2340
03:13:58,880 --> 03:14:05,359
» Maple Lane will should you know we
should be moving forward with FEMA money

2341
03:14:03,760 --> 03:14:06,880
with Maple Lane. That's to tear the
house down. We're not building a bridge,

2342
03:14:06,640 --> 03:14:08,479
right?
>> Yeah. We don't Yeah, we're not even

2343
03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:11,920
looking.
>> There won't be a bridge.

2344
03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:14,319
» House is gone. Yeah,
>> just a road.

2345
03:14:12,800 --> 03:14:18,800
» We're actually I'm getting ready to put
out working on RFP now to put out for

2346
03:14:16,720 --> 03:14:22,640
someone to go ahead this summer and move
forward with the paving and everything

2347
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:26,800
where we already tore the house down. So
hopefully by, you know, just, you know,

2348
03:14:24,880 --> 03:14:30,239
how slow FEMA moves, hopefully by end of
the summer, you have a road through

2349
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:34,160
there and there is no bridge issue. And
that's that's not money. That's FEMA

2350
03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:39,120
money that that we have. But I mean, I
guess that's my point is that we're

2351
03:14:36,479 --> 03:14:43,680
close to the end of your budget cycle
that still leaves you some money in

2352
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:47,120
there. I mean, I I get it. We have to
have a place to store this stuff. Maybe

2353
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:51,439
when we get to the end of his budget
cycle, whatever money's left, we can

2354
03:14:49,279 --> 03:14:55,760
take that money and allocate that to
build buildings wherever we do this for

2355
03:14:53,760 --> 03:15:00,960
our equipment. You know, hopefully he
doesn't spend the rest of his money, but

2356
03:14:58,880 --> 03:15:04,880
you know, it's definitely something that
we need. And if we if we have two more

2357
03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:10,000
snow events, we're going to spend
another $20,000 anyway renting one.

2358
03:15:08,399 --> 03:15:14,000
» Well, time you do shoulders and stuff
this summer, you you're going to spend

2359
03:15:12,239 --> 03:15:17,200
304,000 on something,
>> right?

2360
03:15:14,399 --> 03:15:21,359
» So, you might as well pay 70. And
>> I mean, that's just But I'll put that in

2361
03:15:18,800 --> 03:15:28,560
the form of a motion that we allow the
the inner budgetary transfers to pay for

2362
03:15:26,479 --> 03:15:32,880
the equipment out of this year's
existing budget. There's a motion on the

2363
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:35,920
floor. Is there a second?
>> I'll second.

2364
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:41,840
» Rick has a second. Any further
discussion on this motion to authorize

2365
03:15:39,200 --> 03:15:44,720
uh SEP to move forward with the purchase
of this grater?

2366
03:15:43,359 --> 03:15:50,399
» Mayor Curry, may I speak?
>> Yes.

2367
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:55,760
» Um just we we did um approve some
capital expenditures and equipment

2368
03:15:52,160 --> 03:16:02,080
purchases in this past budget that we
approved now. And to me, like I said, I

2369
03:15:59,520 --> 03:16:08,399
know you need it. If it were the next
budget, I would absolutely work it in. I

2370
03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:13,840
think we me I will take responsibility.
Made a big mistake in not asking the

2371
03:16:11,279 --> 03:16:20,479
department heads to come in more during
the budget cycle. Um and asking you guys

2372
03:16:18,640 --> 03:16:26,080
what do you need? What are we looking at
during, you know, during this budget

2373
03:16:21,920 --> 03:16:32,319
cycle? Um but and we did a couple in a
couple departments factor some of that

2374
03:16:28,160 --> 03:16:37,840
stuff in last budget. Um and I'm totally
willing to do it again in this budget.

2375
03:16:35,279 --> 03:16:44,080
And again, Jason, it was my fault for
not speaking up more and saying, "Hey,

2376
03:16:40,960 --> 03:16:48,560
let's get the department heads in here."
So that's that's just why I'm a know. I

2377
03:16:46,080 --> 03:16:52,319
just wanted to clarify. We we did I know
Jordan and I did a lot more with the

2378
03:16:50,160 --> 03:16:56,880
budget this past year, but we did factor
in some equipment stuff.

2379
03:16:55,120 --> 03:17:00,319
» Last thing, Mr. Mayor. Only thing I else
I would say is that I totally agree with

2380
03:16:58,640 --> 03:17:02,960
y'all. If we were spending any money
outside of the budget, if we were asking

2381
03:17:01,680 --> 03:17:06,399
for money from general fund, I would be
a no as well. The only reason that I'm

2382
03:17:05,200 --> 03:17:12,080
willing to do this is because you do
have extra money in your budget. And I

2383
03:17:09,760 --> 03:17:16,239
appreciate you and I appreciate Don
coming to us with this and not just

2384
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:20,560
making the just not doing it without
asking us and then asking us to approve

2385
03:17:18,560 --> 03:17:25,040
it after the fact. I appreciate that.
>> I'd I'd also like to say I got them if

2386
03:17:23,359 --> 03:17:31,200
we approve this tonight, they're going
to wave the rental 10,000 and I mean

2387
03:17:28,479 --> 03:17:34,319
we're 3 weeks in that thing. They but I
told them, you know, if I can get an

2388
03:17:32,800 --> 03:17:37,600
answer yes, then they're going to wave
that 10,000 and we're just going to pay

2389
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:40,319
70,000 for the greater. You're not
paying 80,000 for the grinder. You only

2390
03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:43,319
pay 70 for it.
>> Fantast.

2391
03:17:58,160 --> 03:18:04,880
I'm no math guy, but you guys can add
that up pretty quick. I I figured I'll

2392
03:18:03,200 --> 03:18:10,399
tell you with this. I figured when I
when I rented it, I could run it for I

2393
03:18:07,520 --> 03:18:15,040
think a like I think we rented it for
160 hours is a month.

2394
03:18:13,279 --> 03:18:18,399
» I think I could run that for like 2 and
1/2 weeks and I would I would already

2395
03:18:16,960 --> 03:18:23,439
made like
>> 13,000 on a $10,000 rental 208.

2396
03:18:21,439 --> 03:18:27,040
» Yeah. So we I mean it pays for this
grader will pay itself back when we do

2397
03:18:25,439 --> 03:18:32,640
budget amendments through and we use it
on VOT roads. And one more thing I'd

2398
03:18:29,439 --> 03:18:35,920
like to add is if you guys do let us
department heads come in. I've already

2399
03:18:34,560 --> 03:18:41,359
showed Don a little bit of it. I'm
working on like a little PowerPoint to

2400
03:18:38,239 --> 03:18:45,840
show you guys how I do work my VOTE
money and how I am using the eligibility

2401
03:18:43,840 --> 03:18:50,640
tools that they give me and looking at
ways that we can use it towards

2402
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:54,560
equipment purchases or there's so much
stuff we can use that's not going to

2403
03:18:52,960 --> 03:18:57,840
take from the general fund because
that's where my budget comes from that

2404
03:18:56,000 --> 03:19:01,920
we can use for VOC money if we get a
paving schedule. You know, it's it's got

2405
03:19:00,319 --> 03:19:06,560
to be planned out though. It can't just
be I agree with Laura. just can't we

2406
03:19:04,479 --> 03:19:10,880
can't you know just willy-nilly do it
but we're not this is not you know we're

2407
03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:13,520
we're looking there
>> it's there

2408
03:19:11,760 --> 03:19:17,040
» I'm not your learn long-term town
manager yet but I will tell you just

2409
03:19:15,120 --> 03:19:23,439
from a process perspective in my
experience you need a couple of these

2410
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:28,720
departments as in actively involved in
the budget process your your public

2411
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:32,479
works is a huge area that should be
involved you also need long-term

2412
03:19:30,960 --> 03:19:36,560
planning because everything's not about
a short 12-month period. You've got

2413
03:19:34,880 --> 03:19:40,319
buildings that don't have an indefinite
life. You have equipment that doesn't

2414
03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:45,279
have an indefinite life. You have pieces
of things that you have to build into a

2415
03:19:42,560 --> 03:19:49,439
structure to replace. It's just a part
of how

2416
03:19:47,040 --> 03:19:55,359
a town, no matter what size it is, has
to manage those assets. And on top of

2417
03:19:52,319 --> 03:20:00,640
that, you've also got to continue to
address your payroll, your benefits

2418
03:19:58,880 --> 03:20:06,160
cost. I mean, all of these things, you
know, work together. your capital plan,

2419
03:20:03,279 --> 03:20:09,920
your operating plan, um your your
vision.

2420
03:20:07,840 --> 03:20:15,520
We really shouldn't have a public works
building with 20ome people in one

2421
03:20:12,399 --> 03:20:19,359
bathroom that with leaking roofs. I
mean, to me, I'm taught that when you

2422
03:20:17,040 --> 03:20:22,399
get water in a structure from the roof
roof itself, you're going to have a

2423
03:20:20,960 --> 03:20:27,439
deteriorating structure. I mean, that's
what's happening obviously with that

2424
03:20:23,680 --> 03:20:34,080
salt building. So I think there's really
some long-term strategy opportunities

2425
03:20:30,479 --> 03:20:38,720
around fleets as a category, around
buildings as a category, and then your

2426
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:41,760
operating structure. And you know, I'm
smart enough to know you can't do all

2427
03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:45,920
these things in one time. So you also
have to prioritize what's important,

2428
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:53,359
what's tied to a service that people
value, and what isn't, what can wait.

2429
03:20:48,479 --> 03:20:56,080
Um, and because you're going to need you
when you just look at the equipment

2430
03:20:54,560 --> 03:21:01,439
you've got, trash trucks don't last
forever, right? And you have a

2431
03:20:58,399 --> 03:21:05,680
sanitation business, you know, roads. To
me, we got to be careful about not

2432
03:21:03,439 --> 03:21:10,720
stepping over a dollar and picking up a
dime

2433
03:21:07,920 --> 03:21:14,399
because it is about cost,
not just the price of things. And what

2434
03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:20,319
is that long-term cost over that time
period? So, um,

2435
03:21:18,239 --> 03:21:24,000
we're trying to be very conscious when
we bring these decisions to you and say

2436
03:21:21,920 --> 03:21:30,160
we're looking at it. So, to me, a
$300,000 piece of equipment for $70,000,

2437
03:21:27,760 --> 03:21:34,560
waving a $10,000 rental fee that would
have made it 80 if we had rented it and

2438
03:21:32,720 --> 03:21:38,800
paid 10. That's the kind of negotiating
things that we're trying to do and bring

2439
03:21:36,800 --> 03:21:45,279
you these opportunities. And I
completely agree with Gary that you

2440
03:21:41,520 --> 03:21:50,800
really need um places to park equipment
because part of their long-term care is

2441
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:57,040
protection from elements. But again,
that's a facilities uh discussion and we

2442
03:21:54,160 --> 03:22:00,880
have to prioritize what what we do
because every town has limited

2443
03:21:59,200 --> 03:22:02,000
resources.
>> Thank you.

2444
03:22:01,600 --> 03:22:07,120
» May I?
>> Um this we have a motion going on. We

2445
03:22:04,880 --> 03:22:12,640
have two comments. Is this your second
one, Laura? Okay, go ahead.

2446
03:22:09,680 --> 03:22:19,279
» Um, also
there was an issue where we're paying

2447
03:22:16,800 --> 03:22:25,520
quite a bit of repairs for damage being
done by one of the trucks. Will everyone

2448
03:22:22,160 --> 03:22:28,479
be allowed to drive this grater or are
you

2449
03:22:26,239 --> 03:22:33,760
» as as I have some people I'm training?
As of right now, I'm the only one that's

2450
03:22:32,239 --> 03:22:38,239
probably going to be running that grater
because I'm the only one that can. It's

2451
03:22:35,439 --> 03:22:44,080
kind of a little harder machine to run.
I have a few guys I'm teaching. We're

2452
03:22:40,640 --> 03:22:49,600
working on it. But yeah, no. And here's
the thing. You got to have like on those

2453
03:22:47,279 --> 03:22:52,319
I know we've talked about some damages
and things along the lines. You know,

2454
03:22:51,200 --> 03:22:56,160
when we're when you're working with
heavy equipment, those things do happen.

2455
03:22:54,479 --> 03:22:59,600
You know, there's a lot of moving parts,
a lot of big, you know, a lot of tight

2456
03:22:58,399 --> 03:23:03,920
quarters. You know, you take that
grapple truck, uh, just drive down one

2457
03:23:01,920 --> 03:23:08,160
of these alleyways over here and then
just in your car and then imagine that

2458
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:13,359
grapple truck in that alleyway and that
person puts a whole grapple truckload of

2459
03:23:11,120 --> 03:23:17,760
brush in that same alleyway, you know.
So things do we do have accidents but

2460
03:23:15,439 --> 03:23:22,399
these guys are held accountable and I've
took on safety pretty heavy since I've

2461
03:23:19,680 --> 03:23:26,319
took this role on and you know we work
through those things and we don't just

2462
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:30,239
you know the damage that's happening you
know we do investigate and make sure

2463
03:23:27,840 --> 03:23:34,960
they're not just carelessness mistakes
they're they're mistakes it's m you know

2464
03:23:32,319 --> 03:23:39,359
just accidents
>> thank you chef we is any further

2465
03:23:37,439 --> 03:23:42,640
discussion
hearing no further discussion maybe we

2466
03:23:41,040 --> 03:23:47,200
have a roll call but we have a motion
for may be sess and seconded by Rick.

2467
03:23:46,000 --> 03:23:48,800
» Okay. Seth,
>> yes.

2468
03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:49,840
» Gary,
>> no.

2469
03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:51,200
» Rick,
>> yes.

2470
03:23:50,319 --> 03:23:55,439
» Jan,
>> I'm going to vote yes because I don't

2471
03:23:52,960 --> 03:24:00,160
want us to miss this opportunity.
>> Laura, no.

2472
03:23:57,359 --> 03:24:02,000
» Motion carries 3 to two. Let the record
reflect. Thank you.

2473
03:24:01,359 --> 03:24:06,960
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Chef. All right. Now we are

2474
03:24:04,960 --> 03:24:13,040
on
Turn the page. Roman number 11, finance

2475
03:24:10,239 --> 03:24:18,239
director. Can we before we go on, I need
to ask Jason something.

2476
03:24:15,120 --> 03:24:26,880
» Sure. Chef, uh, Jan's got a question.
>> Um, I hate to harp on this, but all that

2477
03:24:23,760 --> 03:24:32,399
stuff you all got scooped up over in the
yard, I thought FEMA was paying some to

2478
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:36,880
remove all that.
>> Yes, ma'am. So what what happened is

2479
03:24:34,560 --> 03:24:42,000
we're and I'm working on it and I think
I have us a place the last couple years

2480
03:24:39,920 --> 03:24:46,720
Rick helped us a bunch with this in the
past. We don't have a dump site. We have

2481
03:24:44,080 --> 03:24:50,720
nowhere to dump. I I have a couple
places that I've been reaching outside

2482
03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:54,479
of just in I try to keep it in
Richlands. You know I don't like

2483
03:24:52,399 --> 03:24:59,760
traveling 50 milesi out of Richlands to
go dump a load of dirt. Um, a lot of

2484
03:24:57,920 --> 03:25:05,200
what you see over there was when we done
the big project up here at um, Pizza

2485
03:25:03,279 --> 03:25:07,439
Hut, you know, there's a lot of material
come out of there

2486
03:25:06,160 --> 03:25:10,960
» and we had to have somewhere to get it
quick because the time frame we was

2487
03:25:09,040 --> 03:25:14,720
trying to get that done. So, we did put
it down here, but there is a plan for

2488
03:25:12,880 --> 03:25:18,640
that down here, too. You know how we
originally when I got that doer and I

2489
03:25:16,800 --> 03:25:22,239
built that back wall up and cleaned all
that up? Well, we didn't do but about

2490
03:25:20,479 --> 03:25:26,160
half of that. So, I've actually reached
out to Carter and they're going to be

2491
03:25:24,080 --> 03:25:30,880
gracious enough to help us with another
dozer. No cost to the town. They're just

2492
03:25:28,640 --> 03:25:34,399
helping out and uh I'm working out a
deal with them and we're going to clean

2493
03:25:32,319 --> 03:25:35,520
that all back up come spring when it's
good weather. Looks

2494
03:25:35,040 --> 03:25:41,520
» terrible.
>> It does. It looks awful right now. But,

2495
03:25:38,399 --> 03:25:46,000
um if you hear anybody that needs a dump
area, Rick, too. I mean, we we need

2496
03:25:43,680 --> 03:25:50,640
somewhere badly to dump right now just
to take that material to. So, but we

2497
03:25:49,120 --> 03:25:54,319
will get it cleaned up. And I do have a
plan on getting it cleaned up for free

2498
03:25:52,160 --> 03:25:57,040
hopefully. So other than my labor in it,
but

2499
03:25:56,319 --> 03:26:02,640
» thank you J.
>> Hey Jason, I just had a citizen send me

2500
03:25:59,920 --> 03:26:05,520
a message and ask me to ask you the
status of the bridge.

2501
03:26:04,160 --> 03:26:10,640
» The bridge over here.
>> They poured today. So I mean we're

2502
03:26:08,399 --> 03:26:16,399
getting super close and it they
completed their pour today. They hit a I

2503
03:26:13,840 --> 03:26:20,960
would say I'm I don't want to put
anything on loop but I would say you're

2504
03:26:18,720 --> 03:26:25,840
getting real close to that probably
April midappril somewhere

2505
03:26:23,600 --> 03:26:28,560
» I would imagine so
>> sounds promising. Thank you

2506
03:26:28,000 --> 03:26:32,080
» mayor.
>> Yes sir.

2507
03:26:29,200 --> 03:26:38,239
» In in essence of uh to save time tonight
we've kind of gotten pretty long. Can we

2508
03:26:35,279 --> 03:26:41,840
have and we can vote on it or talk about
it or whatever. Could Ronnie maybe just

2509
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:44,880
hit the highlights for us and and not go
through everything on

2510
03:26:42,640 --> 03:26:47,520
» financial appropriate. Uh council okay
with that.

2511
03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:51,840
» Ronnie doesn't mind.
>> I'll do the um income statement and uh

2512
03:26:50,640 --> 03:26:54,880
reserve summaries.
>> Okay, that's totally fine. Thank you.

2513
03:26:53,359 --> 03:26:57,920
» If you guys have any questions on the
detail, just just email me or or give me

2514
03:26:57,200 --> 03:27:03,359
a call.
>> Thank you, Ronnie. Okay, we're on

2515
03:26:59,680 --> 03:27:08,880
finance directory report, Ronnie. on the
um the income statement summary. We'll

2516
03:27:06,319 --> 03:27:15,200
we'll go through that. Uh on the general
fund, uh 316,000

2517
03:27:12,479 --> 03:27:22,319
net loss. Um that results from lower
revenues in real estate taxes, business

2518
03:27:18,319 --> 03:27:26,880
licenses, bank stock taxes, meals taxes,
garbage collections,

2519
03:27:24,239 --> 03:27:33,520
sales taxes, other taxes and fees, and
other revenues. That's a hurt. uh 53.5%

2520
03:27:30,560 --> 03:27:39,200
of budget or 3.9 million and that is
offset by a net help on the expenses

2521
03:27:37,520 --> 03:27:46,000
um
30 57.2 of budget or 3.6 million and

2522
03:27:43,359 --> 03:27:50,319
that's lower expenses in all departments
and capital purchases except for non-EP

2523
03:27:48,319 --> 03:27:54,720
departmental.
I would attribute the the revenues to

2524
03:27:52,560 --> 03:28:00,239
timing
um the expenses to timing and there's

2525
03:27:57,840 --> 03:28:03,840
been some capital projects done and
there's some that we still have to do.

2526
03:28:01,600 --> 03:28:09,920
So I'm designating that as timing
permanent

2527
03:28:06,319 --> 03:28:14,399
on the uh water fund. Um year-to- date
560,000

2528
03:28:11,840 --> 03:28:21,600
year-to- date net loss. Um that's
primarily from lower revenues hurt 32.6%

2529
03:28:17,920 --> 03:28:27,359
6% of budget or 1.9 million and that is
offset by lower expenses help

2530
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:34,880
of 34.9%
of budget or 1.3 million.

2531
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:40,479
On the sewer, we have 109,000 year-to-
date net income variance. Um that

2532
03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:46,239
results from lower revenues hurt 41% of
budget or 1.4 4 million and that is

2533
03:28:43,439 --> 03:28:53,279
offset by our lower expenses help uh
30.1% of budget or 1.5 million.

2534
03:28:50,800 --> 03:28:58,640
Uh I would designate the revenues as
timing permanent and then the expenses

2535
03:28:55,279 --> 03:29:05,760
are still timing
on the water sewer line maintenance. Uh

2536
03:29:01,840 --> 03:29:12,000
354,000 year-to- date net income. Uh
this is not a revenue uh department, but

2537
03:29:08,560 --> 03:29:18,640
it's uh it's a help from lower expenses
of 50.6% of budget or 354,000.

2538
03:29:17,040 --> 03:29:25,200
I would still attribute that to all
timing at this at this point.

2539
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:31,920
Um the electric without generator, uh we
did review that just this week. 138,000

2540
03:29:29,040 --> 03:29:38,800
uh year-to- date net income variance. Uh
results from lower revenues hurt 47.1%

2541
03:29:35,760 --> 03:29:46,000
of budget or 5.2 million and that is
offset by lower expenses help 45.7% of

2542
03:29:43,200 --> 03:29:51,040
budget or 5.4 million.
Uh the revenues are timing permanent

2543
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:56,960
differences and the expenses are
primarily timing at this time.

2544
03:29:54,720 --> 03:30:01,279
And then the generator, we did not have
any activity this month. So we're still

2545
03:29:58,640 --> 03:30:06,880
at uh 2 million
uh variance for the year. Um that was

2546
03:30:05,200 --> 03:30:12,720
related to the inbridge pipeline
contract second payment and the quantum

2547
03:30:09,439 --> 03:30:17,520
power progress payments.
And this is where I I list out the

2548
03:30:14,640 --> 03:30:24,399
cumulative funding. Uh 15.5 million
includes 12.6 from the note payable.

2549
03:30:22,080 --> 03:30:29,359
uh 0.9 was funded from unrestricted
funds and 2 million was funded from the

2550
03:30:27,279 --> 03:30:34,960
Virginia Small Business Authority loan
under the Tobacco Regional Commission.

2551
03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:39,319
And I would attribute that to all uh
permanent differences at this time.

2552
03:30:39,680 --> 03:30:45,000
And then skipping through the all the
detail,

2553
03:30:46,239 --> 03:30:51,319
we'll jump over to the cash reserve
summaries.

2554
03:30:51,439 --> 03:30:59,520
Starting with the general fund,
um

2555
03:30:56,880 --> 03:31:07,439
the unreserved cash balance is uh
roughly about $2 million. Uh 300,000 of

2556
03:31:03,600 --> 03:31:12,880
that is from uh primarily from timing of
the real estate taxes.

2557
03:31:10,239 --> 03:31:17,640
And then there was no change in the
projected uh from November.

2558
03:31:19,120 --> 03:31:23,479
Uh from the water

2559
03:31:23,680 --> 03:31:31,040
water fund
unreserved balance is 512,000.

2560
03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:36,800
That was a $59,000 decrease from
November.

2561
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:40,120
And then the projected went down 21,000
from November.

2562
03:31:42,160 --> 03:31:50,399
Then on the sewer department, uh, still
tracking at about a negative $400,000

2563
03:31:47,200 --> 03:31:58,640
unreserved cash balance. And that was a
$20,000 decrease from November.

2564
03:31:54,319 --> 03:32:03,760
And on the projected uh same uh small
difference, $22,000 increase from

2565
03:32:01,760 --> 03:32:07,560
November. Actually, that's an increase
and the other was a decrease

2566
03:32:09,520 --> 03:32:18,319
on the electric reserve balance. Um
649,000

2567
03:32:16,319 --> 03:32:23,359
negative. Uh that was actually a
$538,000

2568
03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:30,000
decrease from November. And this is we
had two ant bills post in December. One

2569
03:32:26,640 --> 03:32:36,560
was on uh December the 2nd for October
and then the second one was on November

2570
03:32:33,359 --> 03:32:41,279
um for November on 12:30.
That puts us where we truly are year to

2571
03:32:39,359 --> 03:32:48,600
date because the only open bill to pay
is the one that we will receive um in

2572
03:32:44,800 --> 03:32:48,600
February for January.

2573
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:58,479
And I'm going to be working through this
projected on the electric. Some of that

2574
03:32:54,479 --> 03:33:03,600
is a result of us running it um
for funding the the the project, but

2575
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:09,600
that's been paid back. So, I'm going to
it won't look as as unusual with the 4.2

2576
03:33:07,600 --> 03:33:12,760
uh negative projection once I figure in
that timing.

2577
03:33:14,560 --> 03:33:21,960
Any questions on the income statement
summary or the cash reserve summary?

2578
03:33:22,640 --> 03:33:29,359
Okay.
>> Any questions for Ronnie? Council.

2579
03:33:26,399 --> 03:33:34,399
» Thank you.
>> All right. Then the next one is just the

2580
03:33:31,359 --> 03:33:38,880
the all the loan balances. Um that
should be current through December.

2581
03:33:36,960 --> 03:33:44,399
Um that we've got the first bank and
trust note on there as well. And if

2582
03:33:42,800 --> 03:33:50,319
you're trying to tie back the first bank
and trust note, you have you you'll see

2583
03:33:47,439 --> 03:33:58,960
at the top there 285,000 for the trash
truck. There's the 36,000 for the fire

2584
03:33:54,239 --> 03:34:03,359
truck. And then the 12.6 million is the
generator project. And that will those

2585
03:34:01,200 --> 03:34:08,200
three amounts will sum up to the total
uh first bank and trust uh note.

2586
03:34:08,880 --> 03:34:14,279
And that is all I had on the financial
statement review.

2587
03:34:15,120 --> 03:34:19,520
Sorry I went by kind of kind of quickly.
>> You're fine.

2588
03:34:18,720 --> 03:34:23,680
» Don't apologize.
>> Any other information that you feel is

2589
03:34:21,439 --> 03:34:29,760
pertinent to us, Ron?
>> Um, not with the financials. Uh, I did

2590
03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:32,560
include uh the PCA kind of role for it
at a high level. I didn't know if we

2591
03:34:31,120 --> 03:34:35,600
wanted to talk about that this meeting
or not.

2592
03:34:34,720 --> 03:34:40,120
PCA.
>> Mhm.

2593
03:34:36,319 --> 03:34:40,120
» What does council desire?

2594
03:34:40,720 --> 03:34:45,120
» Do you want us give you the report
electrical committee?

2595
03:34:43,359 --> 03:34:46,800
» Um,
we're talking about PCA.

2596
03:34:46,479 --> 03:34:52,319
» Yes.
>> U, so Seth is asking if he if the

2597
03:34:50,160 --> 03:34:57,200
council would like a report from the
electoral committee. Uh, anything else

2598
03:34:54,800 --> 03:35:01,439
on your part? What tell us about the PCA
from your point of view, Ronnie, please?

2599
03:34:58,720 --> 03:35:09,680
Uh the PCA is still where we're still
tracking a um a negative uh unreserved

2600
03:35:05,120 --> 03:35:14,720
balance. Um if I did a a rough estimate
of looking at the current tracking and

2601
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:18,880
trends of this year's revenue versus
expenses plus the current rate of the

2602
03:35:17,359 --> 03:35:23,680
PCA
between now and June, it looks like

2603
03:35:22,319 --> 03:35:28,720
we're going to gain about another
$240,000

2604
03:35:25,760 --> 03:35:32,560
in net income. But I do not have the
actual results for January yet. That

2605
03:35:30,720 --> 03:35:37,200
could could change that.
>> Okay.

2606
03:35:35,040 --> 03:35:41,840
» So my recommendation is still to kind of
hold hold the current pattern versus

2607
03:35:39,840 --> 03:35:46,160
ramping up and down with it.
>> Okay.

2608
03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:52,160
Um Okay. Seth, did you want to
>> Yeah. Just what we discussed at the u

2609
03:35:48,800 --> 03:35:58,960
the meeting last night. So there's
basically two ways of thinking about

2610
03:35:54,479 --> 03:36:03,600
this. One is we can maintain throughout
the year a steady level on the PCA which

2611
03:36:02,239 --> 03:36:08,479
is what we've done for the last few
months. Now that means that your bills

2612
03:36:07,439 --> 03:36:13,200
are going to be a little higher in the
winter time. They're going to be a

2613
03:36:09,920 --> 03:36:18,560
little bit lower in the summertime. Now
the because we use less energy in the

2614
03:36:16,000 --> 03:36:23,680
summertime. The other thought is we
discussed with Ronnie building a formula

2615
03:36:21,359 --> 03:36:30,640
where in the shoulder months into spring
and the fall we would actually in the

2616
03:36:27,359 --> 03:36:34,880
colder months decrease the PCA like
throughout the winter time. Then when we

2617
03:36:32,720 --> 03:36:39,359
get to spring we would ramp it up. But
what we want everybody to understand and

2618
03:36:36,880 --> 03:36:44,640
I think this is maybe something we need
more discussion on and after Ronnie has

2619
03:36:41,680 --> 03:36:49,840
time to develop a formula. What we have
to understand is the PCA is just to be

2620
03:36:47,359 --> 03:36:53,920
able to get us to break even. That, you
know, the goal is we don't we're not

2621
03:36:52,160 --> 03:36:58,640
we're not trying to make we're not
trying to make a profit. You know, we're

2622
03:36:55,680 --> 03:37:02,319
here to try to to run the utility to pay
its bills. That that's it. That's that's

2623
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:07,200
the desire. And I don't think anybody on
this council wants anyone's electricity

2624
03:37:05,040 --> 03:37:12,399
to be $1 more than it should be or has
to be to pay those bills. That's that's

2625
03:37:08,880 --> 03:37:17,359
all we care about. But if we were to
reduce it now, we can do that. But that

2626
03:37:14,880 --> 03:37:21,120
means that prepare like look just for
simple math because this is not how it

2627
03:37:19,520 --> 03:37:26,640
is. But let's say it's 2 cents right
now. If we go reduce that by half to 1

2628
03:37:23,840 --> 03:37:32,479
cent right now, then prepare yourself
that in April, May, June, we're going to

2629
03:37:29,600 --> 03:37:38,080
be raising it to 3 cents. Does that make
sense? So we can keep it even kilter

2630
03:37:35,439 --> 03:37:43,120
throughout the year and then make the
adjustments once we have more data you

2631
03:37:40,479 --> 03:37:47,600
know and and the hopes are that we can
get to a place where we we see okay we

2632
03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:52,319
are taking in a little bit more than
what it takes to pay the bills now we

2633
03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:56,000
can reduce this but we're not there yet
and we really need the January data

2634
03:37:54,399 --> 03:38:00,880
which Ronnie's not going to have for
another seven days some you know some

2635
03:37:57,760 --> 03:38:05,040
sometime in the next seven days so the
committee last night said that we can

2636
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:08,560
either we can have another meeting after
the data comes in. We're will you know

2637
03:38:06,560 --> 03:38:13,040
everybody was willing to do that and to
prepare something for council but really

2638
03:38:11,359 --> 03:38:17,680
our recommendation was we go back to
council and discuss this of whether do

2639
03:38:15,359 --> 03:38:23,200
you want Ronnie to build a formula where
it's lower in the winter time higher

2640
03:38:20,160 --> 03:38:27,439
other times of the year or is it better
just to leave it on an even kill. And

2641
03:38:26,000 --> 03:38:31,680
one of the things with Ronnie's formula,
I think Jordan said, you know, if it's

2642
03:38:29,840 --> 03:38:35,520
if we get there could be a number, there
could be a trigger number that if it

2643
03:38:33,520 --> 03:38:39,720
gets to that, then Ronnie automatically
increases the PCA.

2644
03:38:40,880 --> 03:38:46,720
» I'm listening. Uh
>> I'm not saying listen, the other thing

2645
03:38:43,680 --> 03:38:51,040
we all acknowledge this is not simple.
>> Are we ready to do this right now? I'm

2646
03:38:49,439 --> 03:38:55,680
waiting for the numbers, right?
>> Yeah, we we don't know. Correct.

2647
03:38:53,120 --> 03:38:58,720
» I'm fine. I have a thought. I'll just
share it. And I'm not nearly as

2648
03:38:56,880 --> 03:39:03,279
knowledgeable as people serving on the
committee because you do it all the

2649
03:38:59,920 --> 03:39:08,880
time. For me personally, I do better in
my life just speaking as a citizen. If I

2650
03:39:06,399 --> 03:39:13,760
know it's this,
I count on that. But up and down, I feel

2651
03:39:11,760 --> 03:39:18,080
like I'm in a skip rope and I get real
confused. That's just me. I'm only

2652
03:39:16,160 --> 03:39:21,120
speaking for Rod Curry, not everybody. I
don't disagree with you, mayor, and we

2653
03:39:19,520 --> 03:39:25,680
said that is that
>> it might what it might do, it's more

2654
03:39:23,120 --> 03:39:29,680
like a budget plan. If we were to if if
Ronnie developed a formula were to alter

2655
03:39:27,279 --> 03:39:34,640
it, it's going to keep your bill more
even throughout the year. That's a good

2656
03:39:31,840 --> 03:39:38,960
thing. But it's a complex thing to
understand that in the winter time, I'm

2657
03:39:36,800 --> 03:39:44,000
only paying this much PCA, but I'm using
more. Then in those other months, I'm

2658
03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:49,040
paying more PS more PCA, but I'm using
less energy. It it it that would that

2659
03:39:46,399 --> 03:39:52,640
would more regulate everyone's bill, but
I just think everybody needs to have

2660
03:39:50,720 --> 03:39:55,600
input on it because I don't know that we
can we don't want to decide that on our

2661
03:39:54,319 --> 03:40:01,760
own. We wanted you all
>> I I I think it needs some consideration.

2662
03:39:58,479 --> 03:40:05,600
Council, your thoughts, anyone by
personally, I'm just speaking not only

2663
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:09,600
as an elected official, but as a
citizen, as I said, I do better

2664
03:40:07,760 --> 03:40:14,640
personally if I know it's this. I'm
thinking about if I get my bill on look

2665
03:40:11,120 --> 03:40:19,840
in the winter, my PCA is low lower. I'm
using tons of energy and in April and

2666
03:40:17,279 --> 03:40:23,680
May I'm using less energy but my PCA
goes up.

2667
03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:27,439
» It's contrary to to my thinking. Yes.
Now I get exactly what you're saying

2668
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:31,439
about the formula, but it to me it's
just counter to me. Uh any other

2669
03:40:30,160 --> 03:40:34,880
thoughts on that? I think you're right.
It says we'd have to wait for the

2670
03:40:32,800 --> 03:40:38,800
figures and I'm sharing my thinking.
Anybody else want to share their

2671
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:43,520
thoughts? I think you need the figures
of Ronny's calculation and look, let's

2672
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:49,040
all look at it and see if it's something
we want to do or is this something that

2673
03:40:46,640 --> 03:40:54,560
» it's going to
say we're chief

2674
03:40:51,920 --> 03:40:58,000
» confusing.
>> Any other thoughts here, council

2675
03:40:56,640 --> 03:41:00,399
members?
>> So says we're on hold for that one. Is

2676
03:41:00,080 --> 03:41:03,439
that correct?
>> Yeah. And Ronnie agreed and he promised

2677
03:41:02,160 --> 03:41:07,439
electrical committee once we know the
numbers and he he he's willing to look

2678
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:13,840
at that and Right.
Okay. Uh, so if I'm pushing too hard,

2679
03:41:11,600 --> 03:41:17,359
you guys tell me, but I'll move on.
>> Mhm.

2680
03:41:14,560 --> 03:41:22,560
» All right. Here we go. Uh, finance
director PCA. PSA PCA. Good God. Uh, PSA

2681
03:41:21,600 --> 03:41:26,720
Cedar Bluff.
>> Yes.

2682
03:41:24,000 --> 03:41:32,239
So when I first started with the town
back in July of 2023

2683
03:41:30,399 --> 03:41:36,640
and one of the first meetings we had
with the PSA was about this

2684
03:41:34,640 --> 03:41:43,520
reconciliation that had not been done at
that time for probably 2 or 3 years and

2685
03:41:40,800 --> 03:41:47,760
also they approached us about uh the
reserve balances that we have for for O

2686
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:52,880
and M and debt.
So, we started looking into it and we

2687
03:41:50,960 --> 03:41:57,120
were making some headway with it and
then uh when Jason was here, we we kind

2688
03:41:55,680 --> 03:42:01,279
of put a stop to it waiting until we got
caught up on the audits to make sure

2689
03:41:58,640 --> 03:42:05,600
that we had all the final information
from those years. Well, we finally got

2690
03:42:03,760 --> 03:42:09,359
caught up with the audits. So then I
once we got caught up with audits, I

2691
03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:14,239
went back on this review and then
started working with the PSA and Cedar

2692
03:42:11,760 --> 03:42:18,880
Bluff to reconcile those years where we
build them on budget and never truded up

2693
03:42:16,560 --> 03:42:27,279
to actuals. So we went through four
years of four years of that and um then

2694
03:42:25,359 --> 03:42:33,840
one of the things they were were still
pushing on was to you know that they

2695
03:42:30,239 --> 03:42:40,319
wanted some level of that O andM balance
or reserve balances back to them and

2696
03:42:38,160 --> 03:42:45,680
once we did the true up it it made sense
but I also made a recommendation that in

2697
03:42:43,840 --> 03:42:51,840
order for us to release those reserves
in total I think we should uh start

2698
03:42:49,920 --> 03:42:57,520
billing you on a monthly basis of
actuals. So that's what we've got.

2699
03:42:55,279 --> 03:43:03,680
Mike's got them in in in his hand. We've
got some draft amendments where we will

2700
03:43:01,040 --> 03:43:10,000
switch over to billing on a monthly
basis actuals. We will no longer have

2701
03:43:06,880 --> 03:43:14,880
the annual true up and that also relie
relieves the necessity to have those

2702
03:43:11,920 --> 03:43:18,800
on&m reserve balances for one year of uh
budgeted amounts. Would it relieve extra

2703
03:43:17,279 --> 03:43:21,520
discussion?
>> Yes.

2704
03:43:19,359 --> 03:43:25,600
» Thank you. All right. Here we go.
Recommendations. Do you mind if I go on?

2705
03:43:23,760 --> 03:43:29,520
Recommendations. Given the importance,
sorry, Ronnie, of timely business

2706
03:43:27,680 --> 03:43:33,760
partner reconciliations and settlement
of outstanding balances, staff

2707
03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:37,600
recommends the town council approve the
annual billings refunds. This shall

2708
03:43:35,920 --> 03:43:41,199
include the reserve account balances
associated with the process,

2709
03:43:39,279 --> 03:43:45,760
improvement, and transition to monthly
actual billings. Is that correct?

2710
03:43:43,680 --> 03:43:47,760
» That's correct. Uh, do you want a motion
on this?

2711
03:43:46,720 --> 03:43:52,080
» I would like one. Yes.
>> Is there a motion to go with the

2712
03:43:49,439 --> 03:43:55,840
recommendation of the uh, finance
department?

2713
03:43:53,920 --> 03:43:58,720
» Dan has the motion and Rick has a
second. Is there any discussion on this

2714
03:43:57,840 --> 03:44:00,880
motion?
>> I have a couple questions. Ronnie.

2715
03:44:00,319 --> 03:44:08,000
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Um, the It says the contract has been

2716
03:44:04,960 --> 03:44:11,199
amended, but
are you saying that because we never

2717
03:44:10,319 --> 03:44:17,120
voted on that? I
>> I can speak on that. It's in the

2718
03:44:13,120 --> 03:44:24,720
process. Uh it's been um Eric Young has
sent me a draft. I think we got that

2719
03:44:21,680 --> 03:44:28,080
Thursday or Friday. Um we've been in the
process of amending it, but obviously

2720
03:44:26,560 --> 03:44:29,920
you all would have to vote on that. So
that's not

2721
03:44:28,640 --> 03:44:34,479
» Sorry about that misunderstanding.
>> Oh, no, you're good. Um and another

2722
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:40,160
question,
>> I don't want to drag anyone else into

2723
03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:46,479
it. It wasn't Ronnie. It was a former TI
manager. When they were kind of

2724
03:44:42,239 --> 03:44:52,880
explaining this to us, I asked about the
refund and was told that the refund that

2725
03:44:49,600 --> 03:44:58,399
they are owed would be offset by
something that they owe to us. So, it

2726
03:44:55,760 --> 03:45:03,680
would be I've got that on here on the
the detail behind it.

2727
03:45:01,600 --> 03:45:06,720
each uh
you'll see the reserve account then

2728
03:45:05,359 --> 03:45:08,880
you'll see the on andm capital
adjustment on each page.

2729
03:45:08,479 --> 03:45:14,239
» Mhm.
>> So that that is being netted in with the

2730
03:45:11,199 --> 03:45:19,279
uh with the reserve balance.
>> So like on the first page that says

2731
03:45:16,080 --> 03:45:25,840
Tazzle County PSA uh water plant reserve
account and it says due refund $228,944.

2732
03:45:25,359 --> 03:45:31,120
» Yes.
>> That's what we're going to pay to them

2733
03:45:28,160 --> 03:45:36,800
» out of that reserve account.
net of the see the 59,5

2734
03:45:35,199 --> 03:45:41,359
915
>> that's the part that we're billing them

2735
03:45:38,560 --> 03:45:46,160
for.
So that we will actually put that money

2736
03:45:43,600 --> 03:45:50,319
back into our unrestricted general fund
and then that reserve balance will come

2737
03:45:48,000 --> 03:45:55,199
down to zero.
>> But we're going to actually cut them a

2738
03:45:52,160 --> 03:45:58,720
check for $228,000.
>> But it's out of a reserve account, not

2739
03:45:56,960 --> 03:46:04,239
money that we use or touch or for
anything else. And the basis of it is is

2740
03:46:01,359 --> 03:46:10,080
that we've completed these projects. So
when Jordan and I attended the meeting

2741
03:46:05,920 --> 03:46:14,720
with Ronnie and um
Ron that day, the way that it was

2742
03:46:12,720 --> 03:46:17,920
described to us was that you know these
projects were gone. Plus we didn't have

2743
03:46:16,080 --> 03:46:23,840
the reconciliation. So we knew we owed
them some money. But what we agreed to

2744
03:46:20,640 --> 03:46:27,439
was just to hold 6 months of
expenditures or one year.

2745
03:46:24,960 --> 03:46:30,880
» We're going to hold one year of debt. Of
debt

2746
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:34,319
» of debt. But there's not um it's not
like it used to be. We were these

2747
03:46:32,720 --> 03:46:40,560
reserves were built up on the old
formulas based on um

2748
03:46:38,399 --> 03:46:44,560
old projects that are paid out. Now with
the new things that are coming online,

2749
03:46:42,720 --> 03:46:49,760
those are calculated in this number or
those are going to go up.

2750
03:46:45,359 --> 03:46:55,600
» He he plans they plan to add $100,000 as
an estimate for for themselves and Cedar

2751
03:46:52,720 --> 03:46:59,040
Bluff 50,000 on the water wastewater
plant debt. And then once we get the

2752
03:46:57,680 --> 03:47:02,000
actual loan, we're going to chew up
those and then we'll do something

2753
03:47:00,160 --> 03:47:05,120
similar on the the water reserve
accounts once we get further along with

2754
03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:08,720
that loan process.
>> So it's just a plan that we have. We'll

2755
03:47:06,800 --> 03:47:12,640
have one year of expenses in the reserve
account instead of holding I mean I

2756
03:47:11,359 --> 03:47:16,319
don't know how many how much expenses we
had here but multiple 24

2757
03:47:14,800 --> 03:47:18,720
» I mean yeah because we didn't do it for
like four years,

2758
03:47:17,040 --> 03:47:23,279
» right?
>> So there's no nothing. It's not hurting

2759
03:47:21,120 --> 03:47:27,840
us anyway. This is just extra money that
we've held on to because our former

2760
03:47:26,080 --> 03:47:30,479
staff members were not doing the
reconstruction.

2761
03:47:28,640 --> 03:47:34,640
» Let me ask a question, Amanda. Just I've
lost in the shuffle. Sorry. Uh we have a

2762
03:47:33,120 --> 03:47:38,160
motion and a second on the floor, do we
not?

2763
03:47:35,439 --> 03:47:44,319
» Yeah, you have um Jan and Rick.
>> Okay, I want to be clear. So, uh any

2764
03:47:40,720 --> 03:47:47,439
further discussion on this motion
hear? No further discussion. May I have

2765
03:47:45,920 --> 03:47:48,479
a roll call vote, please?
>> Ray says,

2766
03:47:48,080 --> 03:47:49,439
» yes.
>> Gary,

2767
03:47:49,040 --> 03:47:50,560
» yes.
>> Rich, yes.

2768
03:47:50,080 --> 03:47:52,560
» Jan,
>> yes. Laura,

2769
03:47:51,359 --> 03:47:58,560
» no.
>> Uh, motion carries, four yeses and one

2770
03:47:56,000 --> 03:48:02,239
nay. Let the record reflect. Thank you.
All right, Ronnie. Next. Budget

2771
03:47:59,920 --> 03:48:06,800
amendment uh 11 C.
>> Yes. This this amendment is similar to

2772
03:48:04,160 --> 03:48:12,560
what we did last year when we moved over
the the salaries, equipment, and

2773
03:48:09,520 --> 03:48:19,199
materials used in the street department
uh to the to the VOTE reimburse

2774
03:48:14,720 --> 03:48:23,279
expenses. Um so basically we've got by
doing this we'll have the budget

2775
03:48:21,439 --> 03:48:28,080
compared to the same amounts on an
actual basis

2776
03:48:25,359 --> 03:48:31,680
and it will be something that we do in
the new budget. We won't have to do

2777
03:48:30,080 --> 03:48:35,920
these amendments anymore. We'll actually
have it budgeted correctly uh for fiscal

2778
03:48:34,720 --> 03:48:42,239
year 27.
>> Okay. And some of this is also a result

2779
03:48:39,040 --> 03:48:47,439
of the audit we did um on the VOTE where
we went back like five years and got

2780
03:48:45,279 --> 03:48:54,960
some guidance from John Leonard uh at
VOTE as well. I mean Tom Leonard and um

2781
03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:59,359
so between those two between that group
and John we've gotten some definite

2782
03:48:57,600 --> 03:49:03,600
feedback of what we can and cannot put
in these lines. So we'll be figuring

2783
03:49:01,600 --> 03:49:07,199
that into the new budget.
>> Thank you. Um I just want to read this.

2784
03:49:05,840 --> 03:49:10,800
I know you can read. I'm just going to
go for it to move this along, not to

2785
03:49:08,880 --> 03:49:14,960
rush it, but anyway. Town council
meeting staff summary budget amendment

2786
03:49:12,640 --> 03:49:18,319
recommendation. Staff recommends the
town council review and approve the

2787
03:49:16,560 --> 03:49:22,239
budget amendments to allow continued
services, operating efficiencies, and a

2788
03:49:20,720 --> 03:49:29,920
safe environment for the staff and
citizens by directing VOTE revenues to

2789
03:49:24,640 --> 03:49:34,160
the proper expense items. Okay.
Um,

2790
03:49:31,680 --> 03:49:41,160
is there uh does council wish to make a
motion to approve these recommendations

2791
03:49:37,439 --> 03:49:41,160
for the budget amendment?

2792
03:49:41,600 --> 03:49:49,120
On this next page,
>> I'll make a motion to approve.

2793
03:49:46,960 --> 03:49:52,560
» Seth makes a motion to approve the uh
budget amendment. Is there a second?

2794
03:49:51,439 --> 03:49:57,439
» I'll second.
>> Uh Rick has the second. Uh we have a

2795
03:49:55,120 --> 03:50:01,680
motion and a second. Now for proper
discussion. Is there any discussion on

2796
03:49:59,760 --> 03:50:03,680
this budget amendment?
>> I have a question.

2797
03:50:02,800 --> 03:50:09,760
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Um is this going into the general fund

2798
03:50:06,560 --> 03:50:14,239
restricted account?
>> Yes.

2799
03:50:10,800 --> 03:50:18,199
» Why would it go into the restricted
if it's like a reimbursement?

2800
03:50:18,479 --> 03:50:24,960
» Yeah, it's I mean it
>> what isn't restricted?

2801
03:50:21,840 --> 03:50:29,760
It's coming out of the restricted
and and then we're moving it to the

2802
03:50:26,960 --> 03:50:35,680
actual expense line item.
>> Oh, you're taking it out of restricted

2803
03:50:32,720 --> 03:50:37,120
» and putting it in
VOTE,

2804
03:50:36,800 --> 03:50:39,760
» right,
>> in the public works department.

2805
03:50:38,720 --> 03:50:46,319
» That's right.
>> And

2806
03:50:42,160 --> 03:50:50,960
they will reuse that for VOTE only.
>> Yeah. It'll offset against the actual

2807
03:50:48,160 --> 03:50:55,760
expenses that we we will incur this year
as well.

2808
03:50:53,760 --> 03:51:01,880
Okay.
>> Thank you, Laura. Thank you, Ronnie.

2809
03:50:57,439 --> 03:51:01,880
Further questions, members of council

2810
03:51:02,080 --> 03:51:07,760
to my left, to my right. May we have a
roll call vote, please?

2811
03:51:06,960 --> 03:51:08,880
» Okay. Seth,
>> yes.

2812
03:51:08,160 --> 03:51:09,920
» Gary,
>> no.

2813
03:51:09,359 --> 03:51:10,800
» Rick,
>> yes.

2814
03:51:10,319 --> 03:51:11,760
» Jan,
>> yes.

2815
03:51:11,120 --> 03:51:14,760
» And Laura,
>> no.

2816
03:51:14,880 --> 03:51:19,600
Madame Clerk, if I counted right, it's
three yeses and two nos. Is that

2817
03:51:19,120 --> 03:51:23,120
correct?
>> Yes, that's correct.

2818
03:51:20,319 --> 03:51:28,560
» Thank you. Motion carries. Okay. Now,
Ronnie, last one. Uh 11D, financial

2819
03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:34,560
policies.
Yes. And the only comments I've had on

2820
03:51:30,319 --> 03:51:40,560
this was from you, Laura, I believe.
>> I'm shocked, Ronnie,

2821
03:51:38,239 --> 03:51:45,600
» but I I'm prepared to answer them or or
help walk you through them. Um, yeah. I

2822
03:51:43,279 --> 03:51:49,279
I don't mind to cuz I think I told you
in the email, if I'm remembering

2823
03:51:47,279 --> 03:51:54,560
correctly, that I would like to have a
public discussion just so everybody on

2824
03:51:51,520 --> 03:51:59,439
the council hears where I'm coming from.
I don't have the financial policies in

2825
03:51:56,800 --> 03:52:05,040
front of me. Um, but there was there
were two that really stood out to me.

2826
03:52:01,439 --> 03:52:08,319
The one major one being
>> um Oh, yes. if you've got and I've got

2827
03:52:07,520 --> 03:52:14,479
my phone, but
>> it was capital projects and um intra

2828
03:52:11,840 --> 03:52:19,040
department transfers. Intra
>> Yeah.

2829
03:52:14,800 --> 03:52:24,399
» department transfers. Yeah. So, um the
capital um I I sent an email and I told

2830
03:52:22,479 --> 03:52:29,040
him um that I'm a no on the
capitalization policy for equipment

2831
03:52:26,319 --> 03:52:33,040
being increased from $5,000. I think
anything over 5,000 should be approved

2832
03:52:31,120 --> 03:52:37,279
by council just so we know what's going
on financially because that has the

2833
03:52:35,279 --> 03:52:41,520
potential to add up quickly before we
realize it. I'm also a no on the intra

2834
03:52:39,840 --> 03:52:45,600
department
intradep departmental transfers and

2835
03:52:44,160 --> 03:52:50,720
again I believe that's a pretty big
thing the council should be aware of and

2836
03:52:47,199 --> 03:52:57,520
oversee before happening. Um we saw that
tonight when Mr. Shepherd asked to

2837
03:52:54,479 --> 03:53:03,359
allocate to the budget amendment and we
all told him we appreciated the clarity

2838
03:53:00,319 --> 03:53:09,600
and the honesty. Um not that I don't
trust people and I know I've got to

2839
03:53:05,199 --> 03:53:14,239
trust people but um I just feel like the
taking away and allowing the interdep

2840
03:53:11,840 --> 03:53:19,439
departmental transfers is going to take
away from us

2841
03:53:16,479 --> 03:53:23,120
» being able to be as involved especially.
So that particular item I'm not

2842
03:53:21,040 --> 03:53:26,640
hardwired on that was that was a Jason
May proposal

2843
03:53:24,399 --> 03:53:30,960
» but what we had been doing in the past
and Jason's his his budget amendments

2844
03:53:29,520 --> 03:53:35,199
were going to be between O and M
accounts

2845
03:53:32,479 --> 03:53:39,920
» those we we didn't have to get approved
before but if we went from O and M to

2846
03:53:36,880 --> 03:53:45,680
capital or O andM to payroll that's the
ones that were not in the policy before

2847
03:53:43,600 --> 03:53:49,359
I'm not hardwired on on switching to
those because it makes sense because

2848
03:53:47,359 --> 03:53:51,520
we're crossing categories. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

2849
03:53:49,680 --> 03:53:54,479
» But the way he was presented
>> supportive of that.

2850
03:53:52,560 --> 03:53:59,680
» Okay. I appreciate that.
>> So if I'm asking to be clear uh and

2851
03:53:57,199 --> 03:54:03,680
thank you for the questions and uh
insight we it's the book I don't have it

2852
03:54:02,239 --> 03:54:10,239
with me. The booklet that we have about
financial policies

2853
03:54:05,760 --> 03:54:14,960
and so does any So if we were to accept
this we would if council as a whole

2854
03:54:12,800 --> 03:54:19,199
wants to make changes we couldn't be
ready to vote on it right now could we?

2855
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:22,640
» Right. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I think our issue is this is

2856
03:54:21,279 --> 03:54:24,319
you've had this in front of you two
prior meetings. This is the third

2857
03:54:24,000 --> 03:54:28,800
meeting.
>> That's right.

2858
03:54:25,279 --> 03:54:33,680
» And um in our audit, on-site audit, we
were also asked about these, you know,

2859
03:54:31,680 --> 03:54:37,760
what our policies are and whether these
have been adopted by our auditors. And

2860
03:54:36,160 --> 03:54:43,040
so, I do think there's a time
sensitivity to

2861
03:54:40,640 --> 03:54:46,640
um resolving these issues. That's why I
reached out again and said if any of you

2862
03:54:44,800 --> 03:54:51,359
had other items, let's bring them
forward. when when Loris and hers and I

2863
03:54:48,960 --> 03:54:56,399
had a discussion with Ronnie about the
uh inter uh funds I'm like I don't

2864
03:54:53,920 --> 03:55:00,319
support it. So if I were writing this
now I would want that change itself. Now

2865
03:54:58,960 --> 03:55:03,760
I think he had some
>> that would just I would just delete

2866
03:55:01,840 --> 03:55:04,960
that. That was a proposed change that we
won't put in.

2867
03:55:04,560 --> 03:55:08,880
» Okay.
>> Um and then I I think Ronnie had some

2868
03:55:06,880 --> 03:55:12,000
comments about why he still wanted to
have the discussion with you about the

2869
03:55:10,479 --> 03:55:15,840
capital number.
>> Um and do you want to

2870
03:55:13,199 --> 03:55:21,120
» Yeah. So on the capital, it's more of a
threshold for creating a fixed asset in

2871
03:55:18,880 --> 03:55:27,359
our subleddger. You would still be
either approving it as an O andM item or

2872
03:55:24,319 --> 03:55:33,279
a capital item. It just we won't have to
create an an asset that's going to be

2873
03:55:29,199 --> 03:55:36,000
depreciated for $5,000 over 10 years. I
mean, it was it was something our

2874
03:55:34,319 --> 03:55:41,040
auditors asked if we could look at
increasing as well.

2875
03:55:38,000 --> 03:55:47,040
So, if um
just for example, I'm totally making

2876
03:55:43,199 --> 03:55:52,319
this up. Um let's say that
someone was going to buy a trash truck

2877
03:55:49,840 --> 03:55:55,840
for $4,500.
That would be great, right? Um they

2878
03:55:54,479 --> 03:56:00,239
wouldn't need our approval cuz it's
under the $5,000. But if we were to

2879
03:55:57,680 --> 03:56:04,479
raise that to 20,000,
>> it's not really for the approval. I

2880
03:56:02,160 --> 03:56:10,640
mean, you still have the dollars. It's
just do I need to create an asset that's

2881
03:56:07,680 --> 03:56:17,120
going to be systematically depreciated
in our subleddger? The dollars are still

2882
03:56:13,680 --> 03:56:22,720
in the budget as either being in on&m or
capital for approval. It's just do I

2883
03:56:19,439 --> 03:56:29,279
have to create an asset for $5,000
>> a single identified item. And with these

2884
03:56:27,040 --> 03:56:34,000
costs that we've got today, the cost of
tracking those based on where prices are

2885
03:56:31,760 --> 03:56:37,279
today, it seems like a very low
threshold to create.

2886
03:56:35,439 --> 03:56:42,000
» That makes way more sense. I interpreted
it the same way that she did, but what

2887
03:56:39,680 --> 03:56:44,560
you're explaining to us makes way more
sense.

2888
03:56:42,399 --> 03:56:50,080
» And that was why in my email, it's here.
Anybody can read it. I did ask that we

2889
03:56:47,040 --> 03:56:54,479
talk about this as a group so that we um
we all understand if we have the same

2890
03:56:52,560 --> 03:56:58,319
questions or whatever. So, I'm fine with
keeping that. And um you guys have

2891
03:56:56,720 --> 03:57:00,800
obviously said the other one, the
interdep departmental, you're good with

2892
03:57:00,080 --> 03:57:04,800
taken out.
>> Yes. Thank you.

2893
03:57:01,439 --> 03:57:09,680
» So, I'll make a motion that we approve
your financial policies with the

2894
03:57:07,760 --> 03:57:10,800
interdep departmental transfers taken
out.

2895
03:57:10,399 --> 03:57:16,080
» Thank you.
>> There's a motion on the floor to approve

2896
03:57:12,800 --> 03:57:20,640
the financial policies as presented with
the exception of the uh interdep

2897
03:57:18,640 --> 03:57:22,880
department transfers being removed.
>> I'll second.

2898
03:57:21,120 --> 03:57:25,520
» All right. Is he's got a second, Seth?
Yeah.

2899
03:57:23,359 --> 03:57:31,160
» Okay. Laura has the motion. Seth has a
second. Any discussion on this motion?

2900
03:57:28,160 --> 03:57:31,160
Council

2901
03:57:31,680 --> 03:57:35,760
» hearing. No discussion. May we have a
roll call vote, please?

2902
03:57:35,040 --> 03:57:37,199
» Yes. Seth,
>> yes.

2903
03:57:36,160 --> 03:57:38,160
» Gary,
>> yes.

2904
03:57:37,600 --> 03:57:38,960
» Rick,
>> yes.

2905
03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:40,239
» Jan,
>> yes.

2906
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:43,920
» Yes.
>> It is unanimous. Thank you.

2907
03:57:43,040 --> 03:57:47,600
» Thank you, Ronnie.
>> That's all I have.

2908
03:57:44,800 --> 03:57:51,600
» Now, let's move on to Roman numeral 12,
Attorney Report. Mike,

2909
03:57:49,920 --> 03:57:57,680
» I had a phone call today with Kurt
Hodgegkin

2910
03:57:53,120 --> 03:58:05,040
um with SGR. He uh let me know that the
second round of um applicants that will

2911
03:58:01,680 --> 03:58:10,479
close February 17th, so a week from
today. Um, I know I had sent you all an

2912
03:58:08,239 --> 03:58:17,600
email with updated
um updated applicants as well as he told

2913
03:58:14,160 --> 03:58:22,800
me that the first round of applicants
with their um

2914
03:58:20,800 --> 03:58:27,040
I guess with their interviews that they
had the the internet interviews he's

2915
03:58:25,199 --> 03:58:31,600
supposed to be sending to me. I haven't
received those yet, but as soon as I get

2916
03:58:29,279 --> 03:58:35,199
those, I'll forward on to you all. So, I
just wanted to give you an update as far

2917
03:58:32,880 --> 03:58:38,560
as the manager search goes.
Thank you.

2918
03:58:36,560 --> 03:58:43,920
» Anything else, Mike?
>> When does he think you have somebody to

2919
03:58:41,040 --> 03:58:49,279
interview and stuff?
>> Well, with that second round, it would

2920
03:58:45,439 --> 03:58:54,880
be the 17th. I think they usually take
another week or two to go through those

2921
03:58:52,960 --> 03:59:01,120
applicants, find out what tier, you
know, tier one, two, or three. Um, I

2922
03:58:58,160 --> 03:59:04,160
would imagine he would be able to uh I
could ask him to be available for the

2923
03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:09,840
March meeting if that's something that
you all would want me to do uh either by

2924
03:59:06,880 --> 03:59:12,160
Zoom or in person for him to give an
update on that.

2925
03:59:10,720 --> 03:59:17,359
» I mean, I just don't feel like we're
moving with this. I mean, it's two weeks

2926
03:59:15,520 --> 03:59:20,880
this, two weeks for that. It's next
month, next month, and next month. We've

2927
03:59:19,520 --> 03:59:26,239
got to get this thing.
>> We extended the application.

2928
03:59:24,160 --> 03:59:30,479
» All of us agreed to it.
Yeah. And that that means that the the

2929
03:59:28,160 --> 03:59:33,920
closure is the February 17th. I'm just
saying as far as next month if you all

2930
03:59:32,560 --> 03:59:38,239
would want me to have him here. If you
don't, then that's fine. But

2931
03:59:35,120 --> 03:59:41,199
» that takes two weeks.
>> Yeah.

2932
03:59:39,439 --> 03:59:45,279
» That gives him three weeks to review and
be ready to talk or you can have him.

2933
03:59:43,359 --> 03:59:50,000
» Oh, yeah. He'll I'm sure he'll email
them to me and I'll forward them on to

2934
03:59:46,880 --> 03:59:52,720
you, you know, prior to that date. But,
um, just wanted to give you an update

2935
03:59:51,199 --> 03:59:59,439
that I talked to him today.
>> Thanks for your question, Rick. Anybody

2936
03:59:55,040 --> 04:00:05,920
else um have a comment about SGR?
Anything else? Mike? Okay. Uh Roman

2937
04:00:02,960 --> 04:00:08,399
numeral 13 town manager report. Mr. Mar,
what a pleasure.

2938
04:00:06,800 --> 04:00:12,800
» I'll be brief and because there's
nothing that's so time pressing. And I

2939
04:00:10,319 --> 04:00:19,279
just wanted to, you know, one I think uh
the staff in public works and uh they've

2940
04:00:16,800 --> 04:00:23,520
done a phenomenal job during this recent
uh I from my perspective, we've gotten a

2941
04:00:21,359 --> 04:00:31,840
lot of positive citizen comment about
road conditions and um resolving issues

2942
04:00:28,160 --> 04:00:36,880
that have come up. Um so I just want to
thank them publicly here um as well and

2943
04:00:34,479 --> 04:00:40,000
let the citizens who have contact us to
say that know that we've shared it with

2944
04:00:38,560 --> 04:00:46,560
the staff and we appreciate those
comments as well as those of you who

2945
04:00:42,000 --> 04:00:51,040
have sent very kind comments um and uh
assisted them. Nothing else I have is

2946
04:00:48,720 --> 04:00:55,399
that pressing so I'll wait.
>> Way to go apartment

2947
04:00:55,600 --> 04:01:03,920
swallow this thing hole medics. All
right, 14

2948
04:01:01,120 --> 04:01:08,960
captain reports. Miss Balo,
>> I just have one quick thing. Um, so I

2949
04:01:07,120 --> 04:01:15,359
attended the electric committee meeting
last night as a citizen. I'm able to do

2950
04:01:12,080 --> 04:01:21,040
that as long as I don't participate with
the meeting and I didn't. But um I just

2951
04:01:18,640 --> 04:01:29,359
want to recommend to us that our
generator project is so large that um I

2952
04:01:27,120 --> 04:01:33,040
really feel like the council should be
having joint meetings with the electric

2953
04:01:31,199 --> 04:01:38,160
committee so that we are all getting the
the same information at the same time

2954
04:01:35,760 --> 04:01:42,640
being on the same page. I really enjoyed
being there hearing about, you know,

2955
04:01:40,800 --> 04:01:47,920
that there are different conversations
with um Allan from their electrical

2956
04:01:45,840 --> 04:01:55,040
department and Ronnie talking about the
the PCA and um I would like to hear

2957
04:01:51,680 --> 04:02:00,080
those conversations and I think all of
us should hear them. So I would like to

2958
04:01:57,600 --> 04:02:04,640
consider for everyone to consider that
we start having joint meetings. So the

2959
04:02:03,199 --> 04:02:09,040
electrical committee and council's
meeting together.

2960
04:02:06,319 --> 04:02:12,800
» Okay. I I would just say to that I'm
sorry. Well, I'll just wait till my

2961
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:15,600
call. No, no, go on. I'll just wait.
>> Okay. So, that's part of your report,

2962
04:02:15,040 --> 04:02:17,680
Laura.
>> Yeah, that's all.

2963
04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:21,920
» Okay. I think that's something council
would have to take into consideration.

2964
04:02:19,920 --> 04:02:27,279
Uh, Miss White,
>> I don't have anything except I'd like to

2965
04:02:23,840 --> 04:02:31,279
thank the U public works department for
their good work during all these snow

2966
04:02:29,600 --> 04:02:35,840
storms.
I appreciate what you all do. Thank you

2967
04:02:34,479 --> 04:02:40,479
so much.
Thank you, Jan.

2968
04:02:38,080 --> 04:02:43,600
Uh Jordan is not with us tonight. Rick,
Mr. Wood,

2969
04:02:41,520 --> 04:02:48,319
» I'd like to thank the police department,
rescue squad, public works, and the

2970
04:02:46,239 --> 04:02:52,960
water company because we had a lot of
leaks during the cold weather, burst

2971
04:02:50,720 --> 04:02:57,520
pipe everywhere. I'd like to thank for
all thank them for all the hard work and

2972
04:02:54,960 --> 04:03:01,359
the errors that they put in here.
That's all I got.

2973
04:02:58,479 --> 04:03:07,040
» Thank you, Rick. Uh Mr. Jackson.
>> Yes, Mayor. Um, one I have is I had a

2974
04:03:04,720 --> 04:03:11,199
couple calls from
Oral Street and Lake Park from my

2975
04:03:09,520 --> 04:03:16,080
neighbors basically. Was they some
surveyors down there? I know probably

2976
04:03:13,040 --> 04:03:21,199
where it's going with the road, but was
they down there this week surveying

2977
04:03:19,439 --> 04:03:24,880
for where we tore the house down? You
may not be aware of that, dog.

2978
04:03:22,720 --> 04:03:27,840
» I don't know. Sorry, but I'll be happy
to find out for you. Does anyone here

2979
04:03:27,359 --> 04:03:34,160
know?
>> Yes, they were. I I called them.

2980
04:03:31,439 --> 04:03:37,160
Can you come to the mic?
>> Yeah.

2981
04:03:37,840 --> 04:03:45,040
» So, part of that uh with FEMA, you know,
and it was finding out boundaries. So,

2982
04:03:43,199 --> 04:03:49,439
we wanted to get it surveyed. So, we
went ahead and I called three weeks ago

2983
04:03:47,199 --> 04:03:53,120
and got on schedule and they went down
there, I think this week and surveyed. I

2984
04:03:51,760 --> 04:03:56,640
think it was they supposed to went last
week, but I think they was Did you say

2985
04:03:54,800 --> 04:03:59,439
they was down there yesterday or today
or

2986
04:03:57,359 --> 04:04:03,760
» Yeah, yesterday I believe. supposed to
come sometime this week and start survey

2987
04:04:01,680 --> 04:04:06,800
that and that was mainly just to get the
boundaries where we're like I said I'm

2988
04:04:05,359 --> 04:04:10,000
getting ready to put the RFP out that
way we know where to take that road

2989
04:04:08,160 --> 04:04:12,319
through and where our boundaries are we
don't

2990
04:04:10,319 --> 04:04:15,600
» is that just for information to get out
the RFP

2991
04:04:13,279 --> 04:04:19,439
» it is yep and that way we have exact
boundaries you know we obviously don't

2992
04:04:17,439 --> 04:04:21,439
want to pave on somebody else's land so
I wanted to get that survey that way we

2993
04:04:21,120 --> 04:04:24,880
know
>> I didn't see them but was that our

2994
04:04:23,279 --> 04:04:31,359
employees count employees
>> no I hired u I reached out to Um,

2995
04:04:29,279 --> 04:04:37,760
I called a bunch. There was so many that
I've called. I think uh uh Dr. Price was

2996
04:04:35,120 --> 04:04:41,920
one of them that uh was supposed to look
at doing it. So,

2997
04:04:40,560 --> 04:04:46,479
» all right. Thank Well, since you're
there, too, Jason, this one falls on

2998
04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:52,160
you. I had a few calls this past on
Shell Street. Is that a town road?

2999
04:04:49,920 --> 04:04:55,040
» It is and it isn't. Like, it's, you
know, we we we do catch that main route

3000
04:04:54,239 --> 04:04:57,520
going through there,
>> right? up to uh

3001
04:04:56,960 --> 04:05:00,160
» Delaware.
>> Delaware.

3002
04:04:58,080 --> 04:05:03,600
» Yep. So, yeah. And it got real where
it's real shaded when you first start up

3003
04:05:01,840 --> 04:05:07,279
in there. I think Rick brought it to me.
That was to the point of the grater

3004
04:05:05,279 --> 04:05:10,720
again. I had to take the grater up there
cuz where it's shaded, it it just packed

3005
04:05:09,120 --> 04:05:15,040
down real hard. There's a lot of
residents in one small area there. They

3006
04:05:12,560 --> 04:05:18,000
packed it down quick. We We got to it a
little later. We got the grater up there

3007
04:05:16,479 --> 04:05:19,840
and cut it off and I think within a
couple hours hitting it solid, it

3008
04:05:19,520 --> 04:05:22,000
melted.
>> But y'all do keep it scraped.

3009
04:05:21,279 --> 04:05:23,439
» We do.
>> Okay.

3010
04:05:22,319 --> 04:05:26,880
» Absolutely do.
>> Thank you. That's all I have. Mayor,

3011
04:05:25,439 --> 04:05:31,040
» thank you. Mr. White.
>> Yes. Back to what Laura was saying. The

3012
04:05:29,040 --> 04:05:34,880
only comment I had to that is that the
reason we have committees is because,

3013
04:05:32,560 --> 04:05:37,840
you know, look, it's 10:15 tonight. The
reason we have committees is because we

3014
04:05:36,319 --> 04:05:42,720
can have longer discussions in a
committee format than we can in here.

3015
04:05:40,479 --> 04:05:48,960
And I'm not saying that there might be
times when it is appropriate to have

3016
04:05:45,760 --> 04:05:53,680
them here, but we we certainly have to
make the best use of our time here. And

3017
04:05:51,600 --> 04:05:56,640
that's the whole point and and idea of
having committees is that if we have

3018
04:05:55,520 --> 04:06:00,319
committee meetings, we have longer
discussions about items. We can't we

3019
04:05:58,720 --> 04:06:04,239
can't have all those discussions. You
know, council should be a highlevel

3020
04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:09,439
discussion of everything else that we
have going on throughout the month. And

3021
04:06:07,040 --> 04:06:13,120
that's why you assign committees and we
can come back. Gary reports to us from

3022
04:06:11,199 --> 04:06:17,680
planning or Jordan and I report from
electrical or whatever the committee is

3023
04:06:15,600 --> 04:06:22,319
to to give you the five minute synopsis
of the 2-hour conversation that we have.

3024
04:06:20,399 --> 04:06:28,880
That's just my opinion that you know we
do whatever but that's my opinion and um

3025
04:06:26,560 --> 04:06:34,720
Don what Gary and Jason were talking
about we during the flood event we had a

3026
04:06:31,520 --> 04:06:38,720
bridge that failed we were able to do a
temporary repair to that bridge but it's

3027
04:06:36,319 --> 04:06:43,520
a very unique situation that is the only
way in and the only way out to what 30

3028
04:06:42,239 --> 04:06:46,479
20 30 houses
>> 30 plus yeah

3029
04:06:44,479 --> 04:06:50,880
» yeah so it's it was a very critical
issue so we all teamed up on this and

3030
04:06:48,720 --> 04:06:56,080
came up with a plan There was one house
there that if we could buy that house,

3031
04:06:53,199 --> 04:07:00,239
we could tear it down and then open that
up. So now you have two ways in, two

3032
04:06:58,319 --> 04:07:05,199
ways out. But we're going But by doing
this, we can eliminate that bridge,

3033
04:07:02,640 --> 04:07:09,279
which is a danger. And then this will
become the primary entrance and exit

3034
04:07:07,279 --> 04:07:11,600
into it and it's a much safer path and
no one's going to be cut off. And I

3035
04:07:10,560 --> 04:07:16,160
think during that event, we had an
ambulance issue. There was other things

3036
04:07:13,120 --> 04:07:19,120
that happened, very serious things like
if you could pick the worst timing for

3037
04:07:17,920 --> 04:07:22,399
something to happen, those those are the
kind of things. And we had people up

3038
04:07:20,239 --> 04:07:25,279
there who were, you know, uh, need an
ambulance to take to the hospital and

3039
04:07:23,600 --> 04:07:29,120
stuff. And it just, it created a bad
situation. Jason, these guys put

3040
04:07:27,040 --> 04:07:32,640
together some large steel plates and we
made it work, but at the same time,

3041
04:07:30,960 --> 04:07:36,160
everybody's we were a little bit nervous
there for a little bit. That's so that's

3042
04:07:34,160 --> 04:07:39,439
what that was about. And
>> funding the new

3043
04:07:37,680 --> 04:07:42,319
» Yeah. So we worked through FEMA to get
funding to purchase the house, the

3044
04:07:40,800 --> 04:07:45,920
property, and we we were able to get a
good price on that. And that was the

3045
04:07:44,479 --> 04:07:49,920
best solution that we could come up
with. and and then it and it was the

3046
04:07:48,160 --> 04:07:53,040
only place only possibility. You have
two possibilities. One, you have to go

3047
04:07:51,199 --> 04:07:56,080
through a trailer park across the river
again, but to stay away from the river,

3048
04:07:54,720 --> 04:08:00,000
you tear this down and pave it and
you've got access to the road.

3049
04:07:58,960 --> 04:08:05,920
Um,
>> you're you're welcome. And I think one

3050
04:08:04,319 --> 04:08:09,840
other thing that I I think that's it,
Mary. Oh, no, no. Yes, one other thing.

3051
04:08:07,840 --> 04:08:14,560
I drove by the section house
>> and I it looks like a pipe burst,

3052
04:08:13,040 --> 04:08:18,319
something happened, but no one's told us
anything about what's going on. Okay.

3053
04:08:17,279 --> 04:08:20,479
Okay.
>> Anything else? Yeah,

3054
04:08:19,199 --> 04:08:26,080
» that that's all that I had.
>> Okay. Mayor comments. All right. Uh,

3055
04:08:23,040 --> 04:08:30,640
first I want to add my thank yous to our
town crew. I'll be very broad because

3056
04:08:27,920 --> 04:08:35,040
they did an outstanding job in this town
during the storm. Um, as you all know, I

3057
04:08:33,359 --> 04:08:39,680
live right smack dab in the middle of
town and I didn't receive any

3058
04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:43,520
preferential treatment, believe me. But
they were I could see them on Second

3059
04:08:41,520 --> 04:08:49,120
Street and Tazwell Avenue and Fairfax
Avenue where Cornerstone Church is. I

3060
04:08:45,359 --> 04:08:54,239
could go on and on. Thank you. U and uh
there is just no way to say thank you

3061
04:08:50,720 --> 04:09:00,640
enough. The section house had a a
terrible problem. It I'll make it brief

3062
04:08:57,359 --> 04:09:07,359
because it was lengthy. Um I discovered
on Friday night that there was a leak in

3063
04:09:02,880 --> 04:09:12,479
the house and um the heat pump had
stopped working. Pipe froze, burst,

3064
04:09:10,399 --> 04:09:17,359
flooded the house on the inside of
floors. the big pile that you see in

3065
04:09:15,680 --> 04:09:22,080
front. And I want to say thank you to
Mr. Mar and thank you to Jason Shepard.

3066
04:09:19,359 --> 04:09:27,840
He responded immediately that night and
all day Saturday working on it. Um, we

3067
04:09:26,000 --> 04:09:33,279
had a crew, I forget the name of them,
they came and they had they had to tear

3068
04:09:30,800 --> 04:09:39,279
out all that mess you see in the front
yard. The front I have you ever been in

3069
04:09:36,479 --> 04:09:44,479
it? Okay. I mean the house.
>> Mhm.

3070
04:09:39,920 --> 04:09:49,279
» Okay. in the front floor is was new wood
uh because when the restoration took

3071
04:09:46,239 --> 04:09:54,800
place there wasn't enough salvageable of
the original wood. So the front room is

3072
04:09:52,640 --> 04:09:59,600
re was replaced with the original pine
flooring which was what the old wood was

3073
04:09:57,120 --> 04:10:04,479
like. The back part of the house and the
side going over to the kitchen had the

3074
04:10:01,600 --> 04:10:09,920
original wood in it. So all that wood
for the front room had to be taken out

3075
04:10:07,279 --> 04:10:14,239
because of the leak. It's just something
more than unfortunate. It was horrible.

3076
04:10:12,319 --> 04:10:19,840
And I don't mind to tell you, anybody
knows me. It's near and dear to my

3077
04:10:15,920 --> 04:10:25,040
heart. Uh when I went home
Friday night and Saturday night, oh, Rod

3078
04:10:21,920 --> 04:10:29,279
Curry had a big ball because it is near
and dear and it's such a good thing for

3079
04:10:26,560 --> 04:10:34,399
our town. So, that's what it is. And
they are working to uh take all the

3080
04:10:32,160 --> 04:10:39,279
possibilities of anything that's wet out
and there'll have to be replacement. As

3081
04:10:36,640 --> 04:10:43,760
far as cost, we are insured. The house
is totally insured except for a $1,000

3082
04:10:42,080 --> 04:10:46,319
deductible. Am I correct?
>> That's correct.

3083
04:10:44,560 --> 04:10:50,080
» So, you know, go ahead, Mr. Mar.
>> No, I I would just say that, you know,

3084
04:10:47,920 --> 04:10:54,880
anytime we have a city asset and a
disaster, we're going to try to do what

3085
04:10:52,399 --> 04:11:02,399
we can to address it. To put it in
perspective, that line break was 111,000

3086
04:10:58,720 --> 04:11:10,399
gallons of water. That is more than it
takes to fill your pool. Um, so it was a

3087
04:11:05,920 --> 04:11:13,840
significant impact. Um,
again, I think a lot of people got

3088
04:11:12,239 --> 04:11:18,080
involved because we're trying to get
heat to it. Obviously, you can't even if

3089
04:11:16,399 --> 04:11:24,479
you stop that. If you don't have heat,
you got a problem. All this is after

3090
04:11:20,319 --> 04:11:28,640
hours. Um, and trying to get it done.
Ronnie did a great job of looking up to

3091
04:11:26,319 --> 04:11:34,640
make sure the questions like, is this on
our insurance so that we can make calls

3092
04:11:31,439 --> 04:11:38,080
to restoration people, the people who
helped with the original renovations to

3093
04:11:36,560 --> 04:11:43,439
get them involved so that we could get
it addressed very quickly. Um, and so

3094
04:11:41,600 --> 04:11:51,040
all of that to say, you know, a
disastrous situation is being made as

3095
04:11:45,600 --> 04:11:56,880
best as it can um at this point. So, um,
but the for the amount of expense

3096
04:11:54,720 --> 04:12:00,080
associated to this to be covered under
under our plan, I think is, you know,

3097
04:11:58,880 --> 04:12:05,040
we're going to be lucky.
>> Yes.

3098
04:12:00,960 --> 04:12:09,760
» And I want to add to uh Sep um I talked
with him Friday night. We were both over

3099
04:12:06,800 --> 04:12:15,359
there. Uh on Saturday morning, I was
over there from 8:30 until about 1:30

3100
04:12:12,560 --> 04:12:21,920
approximately uh with the town people
and also people who work for me. uh

3101
04:12:19,359 --> 04:12:26,479
personally and we to had to take every
single thing out of the house, all the

3102
04:12:23,760 --> 04:12:31,920
furniture, everything off the walls,
tons of documents that we've collected

3103
04:12:28,479 --> 04:12:36,880
in this 16 years. We have tons of things
and all those things uh were put in

3104
04:12:34,479 --> 04:12:40,800
boxes, rolled in paper, and we're all
working frantically because the people

3105
04:12:38,880 --> 04:12:46,720
who were tearing out the floor in there
pulling up the floor. So, it was a big

3106
04:12:43,359 --> 04:12:51,199
thing and I'm just so grateful for all
the support of the town crew and the

3107
04:12:49,199 --> 04:12:54,960
interest. Thank all of you for your
support. I hope that that could go on,

3108
04:12:53,920 --> 04:12:57,600
Seth, but it's tremendous.
>> No, I I just we didn't know about it. I

3109
04:12:56,800 --> 04:13:00,080
just I
>> I thought I'd just talk about it right

3110
04:12:58,960 --> 04:13:06,239
here.
>> It's good. Thank you. Uh uh any other

3111
04:13:03,279 --> 04:13:10,960
things here under my report? Um I just
want to say we do spend a lot of time in

3112
04:13:09,199 --> 04:13:15,760
long council meetings. Senate were known
for it. But in the scheme of things, we

3113
04:13:13,920 --> 04:13:21,120
have a tremendous amount of interest in
from these council members in this town.

3114
04:13:18,319 --> 04:13:26,319
It does not go unnoticed.
And um

3115
04:13:24,720 --> 04:13:33,120
I don't want to get religious, so I
won't I'm not that religious. So um the

3116
04:13:30,319 --> 04:13:37,439
next big holiday is Valentine's Day. Be
sweet. Thank you.

3117
04:13:35,600 --> 04:13:40,560
» President Day Monday.
>> Yes.

3118
04:13:38,080 --> 04:13:43,920
» Yes. And then Valentine's Day is
Saturday.

3119
04:13:42,399 --> 04:13:48,159
» President's Day is Monday and we're
closed Monday. So that's an announcement

3120
04:13:46,080 --> 04:13:52,479
to the public. And the only other thing
I have to say is that's it. I'm good.

3121
04:13:50,479 --> 04:13:56,159
» I hope this Valentine's Day ain't like
last Valentine's Day.

3122
04:13:54,880 --> 04:14:01,760
» We had that major flood.
>> It was horrible. So um anyway, there's

3123
04:13:59,840 --> 04:14:05,199
tons about all this that I could say,
but we could be here for the rest of the

3124
04:14:03,120 --> 04:14:11,520
night and nobody wants to hear that. Uh
it's too late. Uh so Roman numeral 16

3125
04:14:09,120 --> 04:14:18,040
executive close session. Is there a
motion to go into close session per code

3126
04:14:14,319 --> 04:14:18,040
section 2.2-3711A1

3127
04:14:20,479 --> 04:14:30,000
personnel discussion of hiring of frozen
open positions.

3128
04:14:26,399 --> 04:14:35,760
A revenue part-time position, B public
works foreman, C part-time rec position,

3129
04:14:33,439 --> 04:14:39,080
and then we added one which is code
section 2.2-371188,

3130
04:14:40,479 --> 04:14:47,040
legal consultation for electrical
contracts.

3131
04:14:44,479 --> 04:14:50,560
» Got the motion the motion. They're fine.
Uh we have a motion made by Gary and

3132
04:14:48,720 --> 04:14:53,439
seconded by Rick. Any discussion on this
motion?

3133
04:14:51,359 --> 04:14:58,880
» I just want to quickly say just because
we can doesn't mean we should. I the

3134
04:14:56,479 --> 04:15:04,159
open positions are not about specific
people. I would prefer to talk about it

3135
04:15:00,640 --> 04:15:10,000
publicly. It's budget thing. That's all.
>> Okay. Well, we have a motion on the

3136
04:15:06,159 --> 04:15:14,399
floor. So, we'll uh go um in that
direction. So, we have a motion and a

3137
04:15:11,760 --> 04:15:17,680
second. Um any further discussion on the
motion

3138
04:15:16,239 --> 04:15:20,479
hearing? None. Move we have a roll call
vote, please.

3139
04:15:19,439 --> 04:15:21,439
» Yes. Okay. Seth,
>> yes.

3140
04:15:20,880 --> 04:15:22,319
» Gary,
>> yes.

3141
04:15:21,840 --> 04:15:23,199
» Rick,
>> yes.

3142
04:15:22,720 --> 04:15:24,080
» Jan,
>> yes.

3143
04:15:23,439 --> 04:15:31,680
» And Laura,
>> no. Motion carries 421.

3144
04:15:28,399 --> 04:15:36,239
So, u I would like to ask I am hot,
physically hot. Can we stay in here and

3145
04:15:34,239 --> 04:15:39,239
I may ask you to please step out. Thank
you.

3146
04:40:11,360 --> 04:40:14,560
just say yes.
>> Uh Gary,

3147
04:40:14,160 --> 04:40:15,280
» yes.
>> Rick,

3148
04:40:14,958 --> 04:40:17,040
» yes.
>> Dan, Laura,

3149
04:40:16,320 --> 04:40:21,280
» yes.
>> We're in open session now. Is there a

3150
04:40:19,040 --> 04:40:29,240
motion to certify that nothing was
discussed in executive session other

3151
04:40:23,520 --> 04:40:29,240
than Virginia Code Section 2.2? 2-3711A1

3152
04:40:29,920 --> 04:40:37,920
personnel discussion of hiring of
frozen/open

3153
04:40:34,878 --> 04:40:43,120
positions revenue part-time position
public works foreman part-time rec

3154
04:40:40,080 --> 04:40:46,120
position and code section 2.2-3711A88
2-3711A88

3155
04:40:46,798 --> 04:40:52,240
legal consultation for electrical
contract. That's what it says on the

3156
04:40:50,480 --> 04:40:58,798
agenda. Make a motion.
>> Oh, there's a motion. Is there a second?

3157
04:40:54,560 --> 04:41:02,718
» I has a second and a yay vote indicates
nothing was discussed other than these

3158
04:41:00,560 --> 04:41:06,638
things. Uh, is there any discussion on
this motion to certify? All right, roll

3159
04:41:05,520 --> 04:41:10,798
call vote. Seth,
>> yes.

3160
04:41:08,560 --> 04:41:16,000
» Rick, Jan, Laura,
>> yes. Motion carries. Uh we are now fully

3161
04:41:14,080 --> 04:41:18,798
in open session. Is there any action
that council wishes to take at this

3162
04:41:17,680 --> 04:41:23,840
time?
>> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to uh make a motion

3163
04:41:21,280 --> 04:41:30,080
to direct the town manager to create a
new RFP um similar to the one we created

3164
04:41:26,718 --> 04:41:33,840
before to hire a electrical contract
attorney. I guess that'd be the best

3165
04:41:31,440 --> 04:41:36,080
way. And and for him and and Mike to get
together on that and craft that in the

3166
04:41:35,200 --> 04:41:41,280
best way possible.
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. Is there a

3167
04:41:39,040 --> 04:41:44,718
mo a second to that motion? Rick has a
second. Any discussion?

3168
04:41:43,360 --> 04:41:49,360
» Uh yes, ma'am.
>> Is this to try to get out of the

3169
04:41:47,440 --> 04:41:54,080
contracts that we have now?
>> This is to analyze the contracts that

3170
04:41:51,520 --> 04:41:59,200
we're in to tell us where we are. We
don't understand. We we don't still to

3171
04:41:56,798 --> 04:42:03,440
this day two years later don't have full
versions of the contracts that we're in.

3172
04:42:01,200 --> 04:42:07,360
So this is to do the analysis of what we
can and cannot do.

3173
04:42:04,798 --> 04:42:13,280
» And what is the the end? Because I'm
thinking of money, right? Like we

3174
04:42:09,520 --> 04:42:17,840
couldn't allocate $1,600 for GDS to come
back. So what is the endg game with the

3175
04:42:15,600 --> 04:42:22,718
attorney
to to analyze this?

3176
04:42:20,958 --> 04:42:26,638
» Well, this is recommendation electrical
committee, which this council already

3177
04:42:24,240 --> 04:42:31,680
voted on and approved. We just did not
hire anyone from the first RFP. So this

3178
04:42:29,280 --> 04:42:35,600
is just a repeat of that. As far as I
don't have an endgame. I'm just carrying

3179
04:42:33,920 --> 04:42:40,320
forth the recommendation of the
electrical committee and backing up the

3180
04:42:38,080 --> 04:42:43,040
approval that was probably unanimous. I
don't have it in front of me, but I

3181
04:42:41,600 --> 04:42:45,360
believe that it was unanimous when we
voted on this last time as a council to

3182
04:42:44,718 --> 04:42:48,560
do it.
>> So, this is just to extend that RFP and

3183
04:42:47,360 --> 04:42:51,520
to recraft it.
>> So, we got a motion and a second on the

3184
04:42:50,080 --> 04:42:56,080
floor. Any other discussion?
>> Yeah, I just want to Yes. It was just

3185
04:42:53,440 --> 04:43:00,718
the the financial aspect of it.
>> Don't when we talked about it before it

3186
04:42:58,080 --> 04:43:05,840
was to get out of the contracts. I don't
think we should get out of contracts now

3187
04:43:02,638 --> 04:43:10,798
because we're halfway into it. We will
own a piece of a hydro plant. We're too

3188
04:43:08,958 --> 04:43:15,520
far into it to It's probably the same
situation with generator. This is

3189
04:43:12,958 --> 04:43:19,920
another reason why I wanted to meet with
the electrical committee and the

3190
04:43:18,240 --> 04:43:24,638
electrical committee has got to start
taking

3191
04:43:21,440 --> 04:43:29,280
um minutes so we can reference things
like this. It's required by foil law,

3192
04:43:27,520 --> 04:43:32,400
but also so we can reference things like
this. Just throwing that out there.

3193
04:43:30,878 --> 04:43:36,240
» Only if three of us are there is it
required to take minutes.

3194
04:43:33,600 --> 04:43:38,638
» No. Okay. Any any committee appointed by
call for the question?

3195
04:43:37,120 --> 04:43:41,840
» Two each.
>> Seth, have you got your two?

3196
04:43:40,000 --> 04:43:44,798
» Yeah, I don't.
>> Yes.

3197
04:43:42,240 --> 04:43:49,520
» Any other discussion?
>> Okay. Um, so we have a motion and a

3198
04:43:47,440 --> 04:43:54,638
second on the floor. Uh, somebody taking
notes on this. Okay.

3199
04:43:52,160 --> 04:43:58,240
» Seth made the motion. Rick has a second.
>> All right. We've had discussion. Any

3200
04:43:56,560 --> 04:44:01,920
further discussion from anyone who has
not spoken? Hearing no discussion, roll

3201
04:44:00,878 --> 04:44:03,040
call vote. Seth?
>> Yes.

3202
04:44:02,480 --> 04:44:07,040
» Gary?
>> Yeah. I'd like to make know more about

3203
04:44:05,200 --> 04:44:08,638
this contract myself. So, I'm going vote
yes.

3204
04:44:07,600 --> 04:44:10,080
» Okay. Rick.
>> Yes.

3205
04:44:09,440 --> 04:44:13,600
» Yes.
>> No.

3206
04:44:10,638 --> 04:44:18,000
» Okay. It is a 41.
Let the record reflect. Now, is there

3207
04:44:16,000 --> 04:44:23,840
any action that council wishes to take
regarding these part-time positions or

3208
04:44:19,840 --> 04:44:29,120
part regarding these positions? Sorry.
>> All right. Revenue part-time and public

3209
04:44:25,920 --> 04:44:33,600
works. I'd like to make a motion to open
that new

3210
04:44:30,638 --> 04:44:38,878
» he this one or this one read that one
and that one

3211
04:44:35,280 --> 04:44:45,040
» public works foreman and the part-time
the revenue clerk part time

3212
04:44:42,480 --> 04:44:50,718
Rick's making a motion uh to authorize
the uh manager uh Mr. Mar to uh find

3213
04:44:49,040 --> 04:44:54,798
someone to fill the revenue part-time
position and to hire a public works

3214
04:44:52,958 --> 04:44:58,400
foreman. Is that correct Rick? I don't
put words in your mouth

3215
04:44:55,840 --> 04:45:00,798
» and to fill any spots that opens up to
somebody internal takes it.

3216
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:03,520
» Yes.
>> All right. Is there a second to that

3217
04:45:02,320 --> 04:45:06,878
motion?
>> Second.

3218
04:45:04,320 --> 04:45:12,958
» Gary has a second. Any discussion on
this motion?

3219
04:45:09,280 --> 04:45:14,240
» I hear no discussion. Uh Seth,
>> yes.

3220
04:45:13,520 --> 04:45:16,080
» Gary,
>> yes.

3221
04:45:14,958 --> 04:45:20,160
» Rick Jan,
>> yes. The motion carries. It is

3222
04:45:18,000 --> 04:45:23,600
unanimous. Our next regular meeting is
on March the 10th. Is there a motion to

3223
04:45:22,160 --> 04:45:27,600
adjurnn? I'll make the motion.
>> Rick has the motion to adjurnn. Laura

3224
04:45:25,600 --> 04:45:28,718
has a second. All in favor of adjourning
say I.

3225
04:45:28,240 --> 04:45:35,400
» I.
>> Any opposed?

3226
04:45:31,120 --> 04:45:35,400
» The meeting is adjourned. Thank you.

3227
04:45:36,480 --> 04:45:39,520
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