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We have to get in here, but doesn't matter if we're not doing well. We can't do it. We can't do it, we can't

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do it.

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Okay, good afternoon.

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All right.

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So, it is now 431 and I'll call this meeting to order.

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Madam Secretary, can we have a call?

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Yes, we did. Okay.

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I'd like for everybody to stand please, and we'll say our questions.

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It's June 5th.

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I think you've got to say some America.

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and the two of the replied like for which is stands, one nation at Bungara, Hinduism, with leadership and justice.

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On the other hand, I'd like to say just to the therapist one state at Bungara, one Buddhist festival.

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That's the point, right?

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A huge success!

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You're a

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little bit scared.

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You're a little bit scared.

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You're a little bit scared.

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You're a little bit scared.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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I'm not a 15 year after 30 days department.

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And we have Mr. Jesse Warren

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going right in the 10 years.

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You're just right.

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20 years after 30 days department.

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It's just seem like it's time to come.

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Okay, we don't want it coming out of the bed, that's the next question.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, we'll close a three.

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We'll move to a four.

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Mayor, city commissioners, and city staff announcements per section of five

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I have one point zero four one five of the Texas government code.

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Commissioner Drots do you have anything?

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I do not.

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Thank you, Mr Beard.

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You know, rather than pull a consent agenda item, I'll make the announcement that our fire department

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was audited by the Texas Commission for Fire Protection and they had no violations.

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So I think that's important to know that another one of our senior departments that get

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tackle rates outside of third-party people, so thanks Chief.

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Okay, Mr. Goodman.

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Good afternoon.

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Mr. Go.

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Well, I have a big one.

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Our fire trucks came in today.

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Yay!

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We need them. Thank you.

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Okay, so we will close a four and go to a five.

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Public comments.

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Has anybody signed in?

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Okay. Then we'll close a five and go to a six.

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Public hearing to receive comments for or against text amendments to the unit, unified development.

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That includes certain changes to parking requirements, standards in the downtown district.

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The specific sections to be amended, including section four, point two, point zero, one, zero, three, alternative modifications to required parking.

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This guest down town in Old Town District

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received the only job we need to do anything

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right?

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Not at the same time.

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We'll move on to a,

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sorry, that's a foster one.

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A date on train report.

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Good evening, Mayor.

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Member of City Commissioners.

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We started a conversation.

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Obviously this morning.

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So I'm here to answer any questions.

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You might have related to the train report.

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It was the Executive Summary Trauma report that was submitted for your review.

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Okay, let's start with Commissioner Gal.

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What's the source of the numbers in terms of durations?

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That would come from known instance where we've been notified or we come across it.

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We've witnessed it or somebody has notified us that the train has stopped and the clock starts ticking

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And then we enter a call into the system, into our CAD system, and then if we're aware of the

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known time that it ceases to become a blocked crossing, we'll note that time in there

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as well.

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All the ones we submitted, all the ones on this report were known.

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If there are numbers, there are not sourced from the railroad.

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They're not sourced from the railroad, no.

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And if there are numbers, it's best we can get them.

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These are numbers that we, it became a familiar at whether that be Assistant Complaint Officer Initiates that another city department has notified that we were aware of.

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It's possible that a train could go on detected for a short period of time blocking a crossing.

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And we wouldn't know, because we weren't made aware of it or we didn't notice it.

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But these are what is known to us for the last six months.

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And I asked this morning, but I'd like to give you a chance to say, again, how would your reaction to the numbers that are in the report?

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That this particular six-month period of time, it wasn't a great deal of total numbers or times that it was blocked.

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It was one incident on January 22, where the train was blocked through four different times.

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it moved, but it may have moved to unblock one crossing, but it still remained block for

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several others. So you could classify that as one major incident, but since it moved,

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I added it all together. I could have gone it away. In the next particular instance, we were

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aware of our disposition because we sent our officer to go find a train in Rosenberg and they

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working on a part that needed to be replaced.

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So we were able, we did have some knowledge on that disposition.

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Oftentimes, we don't get a lot of disposition from the railroad.

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I think it's good that we're collecting the data.

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We ever do have a problem, at least we have a baseline that we

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refer back to.

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I don't think Mr. Beard.

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Is there any reason that we would imagine that they

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have blocked all the tracks since February. I know that we started ramping up our complaining

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about that. I certainly think that we've been very vocal about being displeased when they

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would do that. So I don't know if that had any indication that they then trickled it down

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to the engineers or the other personnel that worked the trains. Maybe they heard us. I'm not sure

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But I know that they have done a much better job of not blocking all, so they seem like they've been strategically stopping so that we had at least a few openings, either kind of like second streets open and in some of them.

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Court, crossings are closed, or vice versa. So for the most part, we haven't seen a complete log-age since

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our branding up. So how far is it for columns to second?

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I don't have that at all.

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I just have. So my point being, there are crossings unless it's watched all of the crossings,

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which that doesn't include the underpass, if that flooded, that would be a problem. But,

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It does block, as long as there is a crossing within a half a month, then we're not talking

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about time that we consider abnormal, you know, if you get blocked on Dary Ashford in

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in Sugarland, you're in trouble. There's no clear or ill-durch.

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So, you know, and I asked

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this morning, can we write an ordinance that would prevent them from blocking all of our

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cross? And Gary has an answer for that and he'll be concise. He can answer you because I think

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that it is worth us discussing whether or not you want to proceed with that, you can.

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Well, I always think about the staffer's copy that gave UP a ticket back in the day.

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And so if he did it, then...

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I don't want to create an issue, but we've got to keep crossings open.

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We can't allow them to block all of our crossings.

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Great. Gary, do you want to answer the question to say that we keep that?

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And so a couple of things were brought up this morning. One was best practices in a benchmark

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and we want to develop this report. It's going to be ever evolving. This was an attempt

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to provide you information, but I think we can make it even more robust. As we meet with

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a railroad, we've established a pretty regular meeting schedule that Commissioner

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and it's been very helpful for them to hear from us, and so I would share this with them so they know that we're tracking it and that we're not just asking them to be respectful of the tracks and of people that live on the north or south part of town, but there's a reason why we want to make sure that our crossings are clear at all times.

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There may be limitations to the effectiveness of an ordinance, but there is nothing that prohibits us from adopting the ordinance, whether or not it proves the ultimately effective, it's decision of how y'all decide to proceed should have become an issue.

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So yes, we can adopt an ordinance.

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That's it. All right. And if you could get, you have four of that is.

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Okay. The link.

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That's all.

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Thank you.

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Yes, sir. Who is your dad?

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My role questions, I guess, go to both the fire chief and police chief primarily.

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And that is the impact of these crossings. How many times have you tracked where

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You're heading to an emergency, you get a call, because I'm going to take it that y'all don't always know

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where what is blocked, and especially with the fire with the large apparatus, you can't just turn that around on her dime.

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And so, what are the impacts that you've been seeing at the start of the future?

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We're not limited in size, so we can take full advantage of the second street underpass if we need it.

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If all the crossings were blocked,

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we're prepared to continue to go all the way if they

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all of them were continuing to go all the way in the Rosenberg find a way to come back around

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and come back to the city if that is not happened.

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Now how many times have y'all potentially run into because we've designated it one way

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or you're trying to use it and you end up with another vehicle there?

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I have heard of incidents where that's occurred not so much where there's been a collision

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but that there has been somebody going the wrong way against the one way.

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So I do know that it has occurred.

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I've not witnessed it, but I don't believe we've ever had to lately,

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anyway, have had to take any type of collision as it was all of that.

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Most of the time, if that's blocked,

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most people from north, the south are taking full advantage of it.

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There's no real break to allow somebody to go the wrong way, but it's possible.

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As far as bigger apparatus, I suppose, I'll let the fire chief in and we could throw a couple of his people.

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Commissioner seems like when I first arrived here in 2011, there were more incidents of that, but we do also take advantage of the 200 pass, and we're able to get through there.

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Would we not?

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Would we not?

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Would we not?

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Yes, sir.

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As long as the river is not out.

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Oh, I don't, because it only that takes at least.

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I didn't think it would handle that.

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Yes, sir.

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When it was, I would tell you very carefully because it is not necessarily designed for

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that.

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But we have, we don't have any documented instances where it created an unusual delay.

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Sometimes it's slow us down a little bit, getting through there because we do put somebody

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out to watch traffic on the other side and get us through.

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The only times we really ever had to prepare for that was when we had floods and floods

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impeded the turnaround.

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So what we did in that instance is we staged apparatus on the north side.

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So we took that in consideration.

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But we don't have any documented sense.

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At least it's probably 2013 that created a life force.

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But we also, as the police chief said, if it looks like it's going to be a problem, we will

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go up to the pass over through the Rosenberg and come in through the black quizer.

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That way.

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Well, it's a long jump that we're, if it's for them, you know, minutes matter.

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So that's why that's what my concern with y'all comes in the most.

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Yes.

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Same as we're funny.

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We don't have any MSS as it then, the far apart.

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But for the Fort Bend county, the MS also.

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Yes, and it's not in the city limits, but to fly over at 359.

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Really remedy that for the 359 access.

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Because that's where we had most problems.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That's really all that I have on it for now.

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Thank you.

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Can we start?

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Sure.

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I can tell you that at least over the last year,

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We've been pretty consistently vocal about our concern about trains being stopped on the tracks.

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And it's anecdotal because I haven't been tracking it myself.

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But my sense is that they've heard us and they've attempted to address it.

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And I think I've mentioned this in a previous meeting.

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The last meeting we had with the railroad, they've brought some folks down from,

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I guess, Nebraska or something.

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And we felt like we were being listened to.

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We felt like we were being heard.

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And we got a meeting with them next week.

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So it might make sense for us not only to bring this issue up a lot of

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other track in it, but to see what they're tracking right there and

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if they'd share it with us.

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And then there has been an issue with some aged censors.

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In other words, it got censors all along the track that are positioned at

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particular areas when they go off.

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They're supposed to go off to a word of an issue.

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And some of those, I think, are occasionally malfunctioned, so there's not an issue.

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But the train stopped until they can go reset it.

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And so at least that's some of the indication that we've gotten.

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So that's all I've got to add.

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Okay.

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Have a suggestion.

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Why can't we turn a camera over to the river of tracks and just let it just film

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and then we can have it in a minute?

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I think that's a great suggestion.

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One of the things that we're looking at is our is the ability to take full advantage of

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some grant funding that the railroad is asked us to take a look at specifically that could

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address some of that real-time situational awareness cameras and or sensor and sensors along

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the track.

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So, Robert Oliver, the Merchman Management Director and I are looking at that to try to take

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full advantage and see if there's something that we can apply for.

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That way we take that burden off of your officer's place, you know, and it's right there.

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She said, I'm not right here right here.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We will now live to the extent of gender.

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I wish you a few years anything you want to call?

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No.

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Good, good.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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No, man.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I do want to pull the police department,

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I'm sorry about that.

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Mayor, I'm moved that we approve the consent agenda

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with the exception of the police department.

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On the favor?

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Aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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This is the ordinance for the pharmacies.

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How's that work?

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I believe the ordinance are efforts to have an ordinance in place. I believe it's working. We also also, you know, I think I mentioned, or at least I notified the city manager that we also reached out to our partners at the county and who have a task force with the DEA, and we specifically asked them to take a look at the pharmacies at that location. They did, and they came back with some pretty good results.

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One pharmacy, operating outside the confines of the, I don't know what the federal regulations are,

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but there would have been a violation of ours as well.

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And they voluntarily surrendered their license right then in there.

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And there are two more that also were found to be in violation.

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And those, they're contesting it, but at same time.

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So I think three of those, one, this should be in final disposition and two are contested.

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So, as I recall, I don't have an infront of me, but as I recall, those violations would also be violations under our ordinance.

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Does it have like a stain?

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No?

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No.

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I guess you could call it that.

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We once, once as we continue to investigate the homicide,

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But once it became clear that their involvement could be done without interfering with that,

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they took it upon themselves to go ahead and do that and they did it.

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We're very grateful that they get their assistance and it worked out real well.

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It was very interesting.

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When was it?

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When did the last month?

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It was the same month.

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Yeah, it's within the last maybe two weeks.

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I kind of hear things from around the time that they came in.

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And I didn't read it in your report, he saw this question.

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You know, and I probably should have been, I should be at least

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in the other, and you guys know that that did occur, so.

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That's a big deal.

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Pretty significant.

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OK, thank you so much, Paul.

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That case, Mr. B.

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So, is this code enforcement?

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So, typically it would be building code fire marshal

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and police department.

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In this case, the police department reached out to friends

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and other agencies that support our efforts and said we have a location, you may want to

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look at it, so they did their own investigation and I'm paraphrasing my apologies, but

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so this was a different effort that wasn't really enforcing our ordinance, but we did do

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a baseline ordinance check to see all the pharmacies in our area besides Walgreens and

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CVS and the other one that's located close to the hospital, did they meet our requirements

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and we did a checklist of who was outside of the scope or outside of our allowances, what

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we required.

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And so we went through, we're doing a follow-up to make sure they've complied with what

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we have in place.

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I don't know that we've done the follow-up completed it, but we're still working on that.

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Well, according to COVID-19, COVID-19 has gone in.

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Yes, sir.

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Aside from any of this police activity, and we'll have to be an ongoing, and that's what's

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And we'll report back in the next, I'll say six months to a year to see if we need to modify it that we found that maybe we had two stringent language or we don't have strong enough language, but we'll report back to you.

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So we'll have a good indication that we feel like it's being our ordinance has enough language in it to do our jobs.

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And there's no problem with code enforcement, understanding what are.

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It's collaboration.

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Lots of departments working together, so we're not working with cyclists.

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When you say they, one of these outfits voluntarily surrendered their license.

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That they're a Texas license.

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A state license?

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My understanding is it may have been a state license, but my understanding is they have

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to operate with, they have a DEA basic blessing that they're going to do business in a certain

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way.

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They call it licensing.

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It may be similar to the state, and that they willingly gave that up, and I'm told

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that that's pretty significant, because they can't do business after that.

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The other two did not.

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So, and then that was sort of my point.

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It almost gives me more questions.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, all right, thank you. That's all I had there.

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Okay. Nothing else?

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Is there a much tip for a different police department?

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Mayor, I'm moving.

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Mayor, I'm moving. We approve the police department report,

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and the Senate agenda.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion passes.

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I really close.

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If

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you consider taking action on a reclat and approximate 0.174th of the alphabet land, boards addition, law 9, partial reclat, number 1, block 1, one lot, zero reserves, being a portion of 9, section 1, boardless lots, and in the John T Edward survey, abstract number 23, city of Richmond, Fort McCannie, Texas.

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and a flat variance to deviate from the minimum required lot area 12,000 square feet.

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And minimum required 30 foot rear setback is provided in table 3.1.102A as a unified development code.

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The subject size is located at 1019 or 10th Street at the southwestern corner of 10th Street, north-to-th street and clay.

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Good evening, commissioners. This is a refat. The property owners proposing to repatt its property and they're also requesting a flat variance to reduce the minimum lock size from 12,000 square feet to 7,593.75 square feet. And they're also requesting to reduce the rear set back from 30 feet to 20 feet.

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They are proposing to construct a single-family B-touch dwelling on that property.

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Research shows that this subdivision was established in 1852.

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The original lot sizes for this area was from four acres to five acres.

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Since then, this subdivision has been re-subdivided through meets and bounds.

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And the lots in this area, as you will see in your packet, the existing area now consists from 5,662.8 square feet up to 186,436.8 square feet, which is almost a little over 4 acres.

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So, it ranges from less than an acre to a little over four acres and the proposed lot size is larger than 5,000.

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The smallest lot that is in that area.

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The planning and zoning commission board recommended approval with the following conditions.

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Number one, the variant shall be for the proposed single-family detached resident.

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Only if the single-family detached residents is demolished or removed, this variant shall become

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null and void, any replacement or maintenance to the single-family detached resident or new

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structures on the property must comply with the city's adopted required vomit standards.

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Number two, the applicant is required to obtain all required permits for the single-family detached

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residents and must comply with all of the city's adopted required vomit standards.

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And number three, all inspections saw be conducted to determine compliance with the building code.

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On the memo, we did list a few of the comprehensive plan goals that it does address.

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Would you like me to read them?

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And I'll stand for any questions.

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Mr. Jones.

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The only thing that I've been asked was the prohibition of rebuilding this one.

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that does go into the deed record.

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When they process the new plant, that'll be written

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into that plant, correct?

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And in the deed, what I'm trying to get at is to make sure

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that if it ever comes up again to use down the road

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where it is being rebuilt, how does the next planning

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pardon, know that we put that restriction on it?

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Sure. So we will require them to do a plat note saying that they have a variance. And I believe

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I don't know if we prepare resolutions in regards to the variance, but they will need, okay.

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If they don't reference it, then they will need a reference that the variance is to the set back only.

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And then they will need to list those conditions that we have.

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Right. The main thing is the conditions. And then the second part of that, because I don't know

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of always ask for the check for it when we go in and one of these shows up in our departments

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do they look at the pass-plat look for those type variations okay they'll check notes

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okay all the past one so that's that's it that's all I have

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I'm looking and I can't see where the paying P&Z board approved this, so I see where

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staff is recommended, but you're telling me get it.

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Okay. Another thing in our, and I'm not sure if this is valid, but can we know whether it's own or aren't you tired or not?

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I mean, do we have anything in our process that would flag and I don't know whether or not we're occupied.

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We have other applications that have that box to check, but I don't know that it's on this one.

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This particular one, or Jim.

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In general, I don't know if it's in this particular process.

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I know we have asked that in other applications, but I don't know that we have a check box for that.

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We do not.

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We can add it, we just currently aren't.

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Well, I mean, if it makes sense, and I think it would be helpful for us to know that it's.

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one person, but it would seem like it would be helpful to know whether or not it's all right, but I

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appreciate that.

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We'll look in the same direction.

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Okay.

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Commissioner Benin.

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Yeah, I was just adding that would be helpful information for me because at least on one level that would affect how I would view a variance for a question in the future.

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So,

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given the details of this particular request, we're addressing this more broadly and later in the agenda,

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so I don't have any concerns about this, but I would be interested in having that information for our future variants request.

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So I've got Mayor Thanks.

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Thank you very much for the bill.

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My understanding is that 7,500 square foot,

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lot size is consistent with other lots and houses in the

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immediate area and within that city block.

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Yes, sir.

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Don't stick out like a sore thumb.

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No, so on the staff report I provided a map of the

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Well, the remainder of the existing important sedition section one, and as you can see the largest,

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the largest lot there is a little over four acres, but all of the other ones have been subdivided to be smaller.

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I do know that it is going to be,

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thank you very much, is there a motion?

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Mayer, I move to approve the partial reply and important sedition is described in the package.

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Subject to the comments that are proposed by staff.

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Second.

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On the favor.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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I will now close a nine and open 810.

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The view of consider taking action on the ordinance number 2023-14

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adopting text amendments for the unified development code to influence certain changes

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to parking requirements and standards in the downtown district.

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specific sections to be amended, including section 4.2.1, we will have three turnitives of modifications to required parking.

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All right, good evening Mayor commission.

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So just a little bit of background, right?

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So we're talking about downtown areas.

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So this was on the 1920 map of Richmond.

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And so this has already been subdivided into blocks, block faces around 210 feet, 30 by 105.

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So when looking at these parking regulations, it is noted that the due to the age

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of this area, it isn't able to conform to all the parking regulations that were adopted

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within the unified development code.

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So certain structures and parcels may not be able to conform without the significant

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cost barriers and then this perform any parking reform within this

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this this district may reduce the barriers to and fill of vacant buildings and lots.

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So what staff is looking at doing staff is looking at making certain changes within section 4.2103

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and those changes include allowing for on-street parking within 60 600 feet of any

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frontage to count towards parking requirements at a rate of one space for every one on street parking space.

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When a shared parking reduction is to be applied to you.

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Uses on several lots under different ownership of non-residential development within the downtown district.

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The following shall be provided a plan showing the site is within 600 feet of that parking area.

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Public parking within downtown and any non-residential development within 600 feet of a public parking area may reduce the required vehicle parking and a rate of one space for every two public parking spaces.

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along with the bicycle parking carted within downtown,

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any non-residential development,

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all properly designed and located

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on-site bicycle parking may reduce

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the required vehicle parking at a rate of one space

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for every three bicycle parking spaces

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up to a maximum of 25 percent of the required vehicle parking.

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I can stand for any questions.

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What do you mean should be it?

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So

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this is our first bite if you have fixing this bottom.

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This is the first step of a multi-pronged approach, yes, correct.

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So, as we think about bicycle parking, what does that look like?

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Right, so staff is looking at what those type of requirements would be.

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correct drafts to address that, what kind of spacing, sizing, as you may or may not know,

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there's several different types of racks due to the district, you know, it's within the

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historic overlay district. We want something that will fit in with the architecture and

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everything within the downtown district. And not just typical steel use that you might see in front

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of a school or something like that.

448
00:36:55,330 --> 00:36:57,550
All right, and I got to say at this morning,

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we're asked to change anything, it's going to be painful.

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And there's going to be, we want to get the best we could

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possibly get and consider all the concerns, but at the end of the day,

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we're not going to be able to address all the concerns.

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So if we don't do something, if we don't address the problem,

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then we're frozen, we're stuck with what we got, we can't do anything more.

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So I appreciate this first effort and I think it's something that we'll need to discuss and work for you.

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But this is a good start, I think.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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yeah yeah this gives us well as was noted it's it's a good start we've

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identified you know some private parking on here we did I know leave out I

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don't know if we've probably should have considered parking that's around mercy

463
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:14,450
goods because we did include some other similar types so that is potential there

464
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:15,150
also.

465
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:24,350
Now I did want to mention on 21. I don't think that part in front is really set up

466
00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:30,650
as parking though. There's also grass section there. The part that's closest to Jackson.

467
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:36,270
Oh, I don't think, you know, we showed it in dark orange or someone is parking. I don't

468
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:42,130
think that's a couple of spots there. Yeah, just a couple right. There's also greenery. There's

469
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:49,850
could green escalate there also. So I'm not sure that that's fully reflective, but just when

470
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:55,870
we re-evaluate it, make sure that we did it by polyphysical measurement instead of just overhead

471
00:38:55,870 --> 00:39:05,190
measurements so that we get accurate pictures. And keep in mind too, we also have the proposed parking

472
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:10,050
not have been of morten street, the overflow, as well as the additional lot.

473
00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:11,470
Oh yes, yes.

474
00:39:11,730 --> 00:39:17,470
And we've depicted some of that, but we do have more that we can in the future work in.

475
00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:25,630
And again, some of that private property like the old, with a Jim Keller's old property.

476
00:39:25,810 --> 00:39:27,330
I mean, that is closed off.

477
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:29,590
That's not public parking in right now.

478
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:32,310
No one could access it without permission.

479
00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:46,190
But yeah, I mean, right now we're trying to squeeze a dry rag to get parking and it's tough.

480
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:57,370
I mean, I just see us having to do something much on a much larger scale to get this resolve.

481
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:10,550
Because we've got a whole lot more structure and just we just don't have the space. And some of that space, we would like the public develop, so somewhere is along the line.

482
00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:26,310
Oh, that's all I have on it. But we just have to keep working at it, trying to figure out and keep, in a dog, don't put blinders on it. This is the path. Keep looking at those external factors of what else might work.

483
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:31,730
signage, trying to move people to different parking lots with some kind of form of transportation

484
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:35,430
possibly having valley services to different parking lots.

485
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:40,190
Certainly know that there could be a proposed parking solution that county is working on

486
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:46,350
with the city, have any interest in a partnership, I don't know, but will continue to explore

487
00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:49,170
and bring in additional information as they are flushed out.

488
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:54,630
Well, I can, and I mentioned while back, if we did go, the parking garage route could still

489
00:40:54,630 --> 00:41:02,390
go and put it on the north side with a walk path over the rail that then it comes down

490
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:08,390
on to this side, which allows parking there but people can free it move.

491
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:18,710
I mean, you know, just staff is looking at other solutions to ID areas that are possible already.

492
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:26,710
parking lots right right here north of Richmond or sorry north on 6th Street south of

493
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:33,730
Preston right this is a parking lot while it's not exactly adjacent to downtown it is within

494
00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:41,690
proximity this possible food mark parking right so we've identified around 45 plus spaces in those two

495
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:50,390
areas, so if you were pushed out of the exact downtown proximity, you would walk in additional

496
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:51,130
two blocks.

497
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:56,930
We're trying to ensure that we can provide as much information to those consumers or patrons

498
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:57,630
as possible.

499
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,140
Thank you.

500
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,040
That's a lot of money.

501
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,860
Thank you.

502
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:03,720
Sure.

503
00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:04,180
Thank you, Mayor.

504
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:05,920
I was brought up this morning.

505
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,920
Perhaps silence for two-hour parking.

506
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,180
I think that's a neat idea.

507
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:19,020
As long as we're planning for throwing out ideas, brainstorming, I don't know if it makes sense from a cost perspective.

508
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:24,720
But if you're going to get parking lots on the north side of the tracks,

509
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:35,060
you end up with a shuttle system or a trolley or something that's, again, I have no idea what something like that would cost if it would be worth doing.

510
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:40,700
but, and from a convenience factor, if people would be willing to do it, but if it was, you

511
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:44,800
know, a neat looking trolley that becomes part of the charm of coming into the store

512
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,280
downtown Richmond. With respect to the day, though, I think Commissioner Gaul is probably

513
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,740
closer to this issue than I am. So I'm probably going to defer to him at least for today.

514
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:58,840
That's all I've got, Mayor.

515
00:43:00,380 --> 00:43:05,520
Well, I agree. I think we don't have a problem. I think we have two problems.

516
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,600
The one problem is we have a shortage of downtown parking.

517
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,600
It had a recent study. It looked to find a man that indicated we had a modest problem.

518
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:24,100
But then when I started digging a little bit of the study, I started finding some assumptions that just didn't make any sense at all.

519
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:30,220
that which led me to believe, maybe if he fixed a few of the assumptions in the study,

520
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,660
the problem right now would be more speared and it was indicated.

521
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:45,120
I think it showed we were 12% short in the daytime, but on my guess is it's worse than

522
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:52,460
that if you look, if you try to park there at noon on a Friday, I don't think you're going

523
00:43:52,460 --> 00:43:55,860
find that there is a surplus of parking.

524
00:43:56,260 --> 00:44:02,880
The other problem is that the requirement for a new commercial

525
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,460
development to have its own parking or to demonstrate

526
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:07,300
the parking is a deterrent.

527
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:08,240
That is a problem.

528
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,540
But I'm nervous about fixing the problem that leads to more

529
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:19,420
demand for parking until we also fix the problem that leads

530
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:20,820
to more supply of parking.

531
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:38,820
And so I would propose that we table this for one meeting and review the study that's been done on supply and demand and make sure we're comfortable with those assumptions and if so, that we're comfortable with loosening things up, some more.

532
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,640
I know we have to do something, I just don't, I just don't know that we want to do increase.

533
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,140
Do something that increases demand before we do something that increases supply.

534
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:52,420
I think they need to go hand in hand.

535
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:55,820
I'll second that.

536
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,960
But I'd like to add that perhaps we can get an update on.

537
00:45:04,210 --> 00:45:21,090
The efforts to add the parking on the other end of morning. I agree with Commissioner Gaul that I feel a whole lot better if we had a date certain on when that was going to happen. So we could say, well, we've got some help on the way.

538
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:25,710
So we're in the process of imminent domain. We'll go into executive session for update.

539
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:27,210
Thank you.

540
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:27,710
in fear.

541
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:33,930
If I may follow them, since this is a particular downtown problem.

542
00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:43,610
Is there downtown district, a tourist or some other vehicle whereby this can get paid

543
00:45:45,110 --> 00:45:51,270
for other than just as a general funds and be a little more creative as to how we approach

544
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:52,270
the funding.

545
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:56,190
I think it could be a great overlay district area.

546
00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:59,630
We haven't explored that in recent years.

547
00:45:59,750 --> 00:46:04,630
And we talked about it, but we could explore it to see if it makes sense for us to

548
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:09,330
look at funding mechanisms that an overlay district would provide in downtown with the

549
00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:11,450
triggers or another creative mechanism.

550
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:16,310
We'll get our finance director to kind of explore that and then we'll have a couple of prong

551
00:46:16,310 --> 00:46:21,010
approach, but we'll definitely bring that up for next meeting in conjunction with the

552
00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:24,210
additional parking information that you'll have requested.

553
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:25,790
Yeah, one of the best you'll be.

554
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:26,970
Hello.

555
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:31,450
There's a motion on the floor to postpone until next month in the second.

556
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:33,150
Is that all in favor?

557
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:34,330
All right.

558
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:35,490
Any opposed?

559
00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:38,350
That motion has to be here.

560
00:46:40,290 --> 00:46:40,370
Okay.

561
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:46,590
We'll move to a 11 discussion of lots of reduction with the

562
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:48,670
in general. Good evening.

563
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:56,870
Good evening. Good evening. So we're talking about a reduction in the

564
00:46:56,870 --> 00:47:04,790
minimum lot sizes and then law with regards to old town will start there. So old town is part of

565
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:11,610
the original map of Richmond. Typical lots of 30 by 105. Some of those have been combined,

566
00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:19,130
some have been subdivided, but that is the typical system that was that is plated.

567
00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:24,990
So with regards to that, our old-town district requires a minimum lot size of 6,000 square

568
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:27,510
feet and 50 feet in width.

569
00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:31,730
So we do have a number of lots that do not meet those standards.

570
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:38,430
So to allow for lots to be developed within this old-town district that do not meet those

571
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:46,110
standards, staff is proposing a reduction based on general discussions in the past regarding

572
00:47:46,110 --> 00:47:47,510
the old town district.

573
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:54,770
So as you noted earlier, we did have a variance to the requirements, but that was within

574
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:56,310
the general residential district.

575
00:47:57,210 --> 00:48:03,770
So if you do not have a lot of record for the old town, so that lot of record means that

576
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:10,110
a deed was recorded of the office of the county clerk for the county prior to July

577
00:48:10,690 --> 00:48:18,250
1985. Then you will need to platt your law. So if you need to platt your law and you do not meet

578
00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:23,030
the minimum size requirements of 6,000 square feet, 50 feet and width and then the applicable

579
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:29,450
set backs once your site plan is available. Well, we'll start with just the plotting platting

580
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:32,990
the 6,000 square feet in the 50 feet width, you would not be able to

581
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:41,150
apply without a variance. So staff is asking or discussing a reduction to

582
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:46,430
3,000 square feet and minimum width of 30 square feet would be more

583
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:51,610
in line with the original map of Richmond. So for the general residential

584
00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:56,230
district, staff is taking some general sites within North

585
00:48:56,230 --> 00:49:02,850
Richmond, North of Calhoun, to understand how these sites align with our current standards.

586
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:11,150
So if you are a single lot in a standard neighborhood, general lots need to be 12,000 square

587
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:11,690
feet.

588
00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:17,910
So if you would like to have a smaller lot, 8,200 square feet, you need a minimum area

589
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:19,890
of development of 15 total acres.

590
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:25,070
If you'd like to have a lot smaller than that of 6,000 square feet, you need a minimum area

591
00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:33,150
development of 10 acres. So that's going to leave your single family home, your applicant

592
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:38,690
who buys a single lot to develop a single home, unable unless they have 12,000 square feet

593
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:47,790
to devote to plat and then develop a lot. So staff is proposing a new neighborhood type called

594
00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:54,410
standard neighborhood infill lots, the minimum lot size being 4,000 square feet.

595
00:49:55,090 --> 00:49:59,970
And so the infill lot would have include the definition in table 3.101.

596
00:50:00,210 --> 00:50:15,810
Residents of development standards, any vacant lotter parcel within developed areas of the city, where at least 70% of the land within 300 foot radius has been developed and where water sewer, streets, school, and fire protection have already been developed and are provided.

597
00:50:15,810 --> 00:50:24,990
area also must be plotted prior to 1985. So what that would allow for is for previously

598
00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:31,310
plotted areas that have been re-subdivided through meats and bounds or otherwise, to

599
00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:35,970
come into conformance if they meet these minimum standards and then get plotted to

600
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:42,250
allow for development on these lots. So staff did a sample land area, took a sample land

601
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:51,430
area between South of Clay Street, East of Collins Street, West of 10th Street, North of

602
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:51,990
Preston.

603
00:50:53,430 --> 00:51:02,210
So out of the general residential area, number of parcels of 278, there was approximately

604
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:11,050
131 non-conforming parcels, whether that was lot area or minimum lot with.

605
00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:18,110
When staff looked at applying the 4,000 square foot minimum law area and 40 foot wide

606
00:51:18,110 --> 00:51:23,890
lots, approximately 81 of those non-conforming parcels would meet the proposed modified

607
00:51:23,890 --> 00:51:24,590
requirements.

608
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:31,390
So staff chose to look at that as a possible reduction, and that's how staff came to

609
00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:37,510
those conclusions with regards to the in-fill lot size of 4,000 square feet and a minimum

610
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:39,010
lot with the 40 feet.

611
00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:43,860
So, I can take any questions.

612
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:45,100
Thank you, Benin.

613
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,860
I think anything that is going to encourage

614
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,140
development of vacant lots that are sitting there

615
00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:59,860
or something that we need to try to figure out how to handle.

616
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:03,280
So, that's all I've got to add, Mayor.

617
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,800
I was just point out that Commissioner Gaul had a good point

618
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,840
to support it about the 15 foot set back on a corner lot.

619
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:12,960
But I'll let him take that up.

620
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:21,360
Yeah, follow up on that file, so I agree that we need to do something.

621
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:29,860
We need to relax something so that we can make use of these infill lots and we need to

622
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:33,740
do it in a way that's compatible with the surrounding areas.

623
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:57,160
By concern in old town on these 30 foot lots is if setbacks are maintained, the maximum width on a 30 foot lot for the building would be 20 feet, which is pretty narrow, but on a corner lot with a 15 foot setback from the street and 5 to the other neighbor, you're left with a 10 foot wide slot.

624
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:05,280
So I think we need to re-look at what we're going to, what we might end up with being proposed

625
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:13,760
if we do it as currently written, and I thought Commissioner Drainman, a good point this

626
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:23,080
morning, that if we change the UDC in this manner, and then somebody comes in with a proposal

627
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:30,520
for a ten-foot-wide house because that's what it takes to meet the setbacks and we go,

628
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:37,760
oh that doesn't make any sense at all, but we don't have a legal argument, all we have

629
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,500
is kind of a bad taste in our mouth about it, I'm not sure we'd be under a strong ground

630
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:52,200
to deny it, so I think if we're going to potentially create some ten or twenty-foot-wide

631
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:59,360
Billings that at the end of the day, we're not going to be leased with, we need some kind

632
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:05,240
of a hook in there that says that it must conform to the fabric of the neighborhooders.

633
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,120
We have to ask to be something in there that allows us to say no and have a legal footing

634
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,260
for saying no in an extreme case.

635
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:15,200
We've had a ability of the neighborhood.

636
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,220
That's what we say, compatibility of the neighborhood and define what that means.

637
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:31,620
Yeah, and yes, I think that might address mission of gross concerns, but the

638
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:41,200
the forwarding, the other, the GR, I don't have a problem with it, and in general, I think it's the right thing to do, but we just need to do it in a way that it doesn't get out of control.

639
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,680
What's your vote?

640
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:57,760
Adding on to that one of my concerns with these is under the new state where we use the International Code.

641
00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:21,010
You said 10 metal buildings, what do you want to call it? I can see where we could end up with the equivalent of sheds, large sheds that were turned, kind of like the bond to many of them concept, but they're taking metal sheds

642
00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:24,840
under our current code.

643
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:32,580
I mean, technically, they could still do a lot of that, but I mean, if we have a whole

644
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:37,540
bunch of these lined up, I mean, I don't know if we can put exclusions to get them built

645
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,040
a little bit more in the line, because we talked about it.

646
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:46,880
You mentioned about compatibility or so on, you know, with the surrounding area, but I don't

647
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,300
know that we can enforce that based on the new guidance from the state on building materials.

648
00:55:52,300 --> 00:56:05,400
The lack of input on materials, however, I still think there's some building standards that we could rely on that would provide us a level of assurance that we wouldn't have the structures you're describing.

649
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:11,600
But let's research it a little bit a little bit a little bit more to make sure that we actually have the information you're requesting.

650
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:20,600
I do think there's something in the building code that allows for not some standard. You can't do lean tools, you have to make sure that it's something and there's a description.

651
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,580
and I just don't know off the top of my head.

652
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:24,480
And that is still enforceable.

653
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:24,800
Right.

654
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,080
Not the materials, but there is something within the standards of.

655
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,480
Yes.

656
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,380
So even in the barn dominions, they have to meet.

657
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:35,380
That house living standards.

658
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:36,800
They have to be hung in.

659
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:37,740
All that stuff.

660
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:43,800
But could we be opening it up for quick?

661
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,760
Again, I, you know.

662
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:47,600
I used the term, it may not be.

663
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:52,220
mobile homes, but you may end up, we may end up with a lot of the equivalent.

664
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:55,280
Just cheap housing that fits in.

665
00:56:55,700 --> 00:57:00,540
Somebody buys up the individual lot of sick and sell those cheap police and cheap.

666
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,580
And we end up with a lot of that.

667
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:06,740
So it doesn't really fit the neighborhood and it doesn't progress the neighborhood.

668
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:10,460
We want them to build something nice, they'll still on it.

669
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:13,820
It doesn't really be real nice, I'm not saying that.

670
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:16,440
But it has to be something nice that people

671
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:24,680
It's pleasant and to see you wouldn't improve the neighborhood. That's part of our goes that the people will use those lots

672
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:29,300
But it's a pleasant neighborhood

673
00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:34,400
It creates abstain or abstain or abstain or yes

674
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:43,580
So that is still one of my concerns with all this because I can see who can't have been the lots

675
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:50,500
get bought up and they're set up as rentals more than housing and it's just quick lots

676
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,960
to put people in and roll. Moneymaker,

677
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,040
which I don't really want that, but that brings

678
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:04,780
up another issue that came up from earlier on rent because I know we're all concerned

679
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:11,280
at times about whether the home is being built for rent, rental property or for someone

680
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:20,240
going to live in it. Under our current codes, I mean, anyone can buy a homeless, residential

681
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:29,340
and rent it out. At what point is that should that become commercial? Or should we create

682
00:58:29,340 --> 00:58:35,390
a new type of code? And this is something you can have out there maybe leaves. But to where

683
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:42,530
a home, a residential home, is converted to a lease home, a rental property, does it then

684
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:47,830
do they have to get a temporary commercial? Because it's really, I mean it's really, it's

685
00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:52,610
being commercial, someone's living in it, but therefore it's residential, but just like with

686
00:58:52,610 --> 00:58:57,070
apartments, you know, there's a commercial aspect to it.

687
00:58:58,270 --> 00:59:03,410
Change of occupancy, when does it trigger, when some inspections would occur, and then we

688
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:07,710
would make sure that we have our checklist out for whatever use they're using it or

689
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:13,470
but there's also checklist between zoning if it's zone correctly it's properly able

690
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:16,210
to be used for what they're trying to use it for.

691
00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:21,450
And so I think we have some things in place currently that allows for checklist making sure

692
00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:26,390
that other departments are talking whether it's the building or the planning or permits

693
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:29,750
or whatever and maybe we want to make sure that everybody's on the same page.

694
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:35,170
OK, so on May and afterwards, I may need to talk to you and Gary and whoever else that

695
00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:36,030
get more about it.

696
00:59:36,110 --> 00:59:43,630
But it's one of those elements where I want to make sure that we have residents, homesteads,

697
00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:46,710
so on and then rental is rental.

698
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:52,890
We fill the place up with rental, the neck and the changes, yeah, it's fair too.

699
00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:59,730
And that was part of my concern with these two is that we may end up with a whole bunch

700
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:24,760
Little houses that are more rental targeted at rental rather than residential, and sometimes folks will take care of it, sometimes folks don't do not take care of rental, I've lived in enough rental areas when I was in the military, you know, some people care less about the rental property there.

701
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,900
So, leave that to all I have. That's just information more than anything else.

702
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:34,260
All these concerns. Thank you.

703
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:35,860
Michigan beer.

704
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:50,300
I asked the question this morning. Can we go back home, require certain building size in this?

705
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:53,240
So,

706
01:00:55,980 --> 01:01:01,620
if we kind of think through that in a holistic way, that broadens our opportunities,

707
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:09,500
we're getting the house that we want, and we're getting these lots put back into commercial

708
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:16,060
you are property tax and getting people to live in Richmond.

709
01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:22,600
So, same as like, so how

710
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:32,600
did that? 278 lots of job surveyed in the 131 form. How many of those would have been addressed

711
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:39,760
with this or right so 81 out of those and but this was in general residential

712
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:47,160
correct so 81 out of those if you reduce it to 4,000 and 4,000 or there

713
01:01:47,160 --> 01:02:04,100
I would be addressed by this, which would open up a considerable amount of property to be developed.

714
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,820
Right, so 81 would meet the standards, and then the balance 50 would not.

715
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,520
Yeah, so it would be much more than 30 sorry my misunderstanding.

716
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:18,230
Okay.

717
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:21,370
Okay.

718
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:22,690
There's no more discussion.

719
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:23,370
I don't know.

720
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:24,610
What's the time to follow up?

721
01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:33,270
Um, when we talked about mobile homes now, like, we have some mobile homes there.

722
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,570
Manufactured homes.

723
01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:35,810
What do you want to call them?

724
01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:39,050
All these lots right now in some parts of Richmond.

725
01:02:39,590 --> 01:02:43,690
Our current code is those become dilapidated or burned down whatever.

726
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:47,310
Can they be replaced with another one?

727
01:02:47,310 --> 01:02:56,550
One time they can be replaced if it's a new proposal has to be with an a main infection home part or mobile home part well, but if it's not I mean

728
01:02:56,550 --> 01:03:02,170
No, we have a lot that not a mobile home parts on those lots the law changed

729
01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:08,590
So keep in mind state law allows for one swap out if it's not an apart our current

730
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:10,110
UDC

731
01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:15,750
It's not consistent with state law, which we need to provide for clarification. So that

732
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:19,650
We are illustrating what the state law allows for.

733
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:23,690
I think what we've said in the past is different from when the state law changed.

734
01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:28,570
But currently and we verified it because we've been getting lots of calls and requests on this.

735
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:34,750
Can people move in a existing not in a trailer park or not in a manufacturer home park?

736
01:03:35,830 --> 01:03:41,250
Someone has an existing manufacturer home and they replace it in the answer as yes once.

737
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:43,770
Now, how do we track that once?

738
01:03:43,770 --> 01:03:51,310
So, that's what we have for treatments, and we have other tracking mechanisms within our

739
01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:54,730
performance office and building, building officials office.

740
01:03:54,990 --> 01:04:00,730
Now, there's a whole state department that practices, or, I know they track the construction

741
01:04:00,730 --> 01:04:07,110
of their pair of and all that, do they also try the locations that were that might be a source?

742
01:04:08,290 --> 01:04:12,690
So, to answer your question, I'm not sure, but what I can tell you is we do require a

743
01:04:13,690 --> 01:04:18,230
Blackbird to be placed on these major fracture homes, it's very hard, it's very challenging

744
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:21,790
to find these Blackbird manufacture homes anymore.

745
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:28,630
I think they're becoming less and less available, so that may become a not an issue anymore

746
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:30,050
because it's just hard to find.

747
01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:35,650
As far as tracking it from the state, we have been trying to track it on our own, we'll verify

748
01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:39,590
that that source could be something that would be helpful for our buildings, building

749
01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:43,310
department, but currently we track it, we try to track it on her house.

750
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:49,270
And has anybody looked into whether the state fully differentiates between a travel

751
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:53,590
trailer and a RV mobile home?

752
01:04:54,530 --> 01:04:59,090
Great question, and I'm going to get more technical and we probably get Scott to come up and

753
01:04:59,090 --> 01:04:59,770
click on it.

754
01:05:00,460 --> 01:05:28,220
I have had those, we do not have that current situation in the city to answer your question. I would need Scott to answer whether or not the RV is going to be different from the manufacturer, because we have specific law, or Pacific language in state law that defines what they both are. Scott, do you want to provide this information? Sorry to put you on the spot. If you need it back, if you have it right now, or I can get it later, but I'm going to get back to you too if he doesn't have it all the time.

755
01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:32,960
I'd probably be the best if I could get back, but I think there are some differences in both of them.

756
01:05:33,220 --> 01:05:43,960
However, they can receive home-state exemption for RVs if they are on a lot, which are UDC prohibits that.

757
01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:50,760
From being connected, but we probably need to research that a little more and provide more information to your question.

758
01:05:56,250 --> 01:06:04,790
If there's something that limits the height of a structure that can be built on one of these 30 or 40 foot lots, you can add a lift next to it.

759
01:06:04,790 --> 01:06:07,250
Has the opening on where you're located?

760
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:12,430
So are you talking about in the general residential, old town, or in another location?

761
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:14,450
Because we do have height restrictions within the district.

762
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:21,710
Pacific to the 45-wide lots in in-field lots in GR and the 30 foot in-field lots.

763
01:06:22,790 --> 01:06:28,450
I can see it was incentive to build up since they have no room to build out.

764
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:34,750
What will limit in our city? What will limit the height to which they can build that structure?

765
01:06:35,210 --> 01:06:41,310
The UDC does have maximum building high requirements for all those general residential and old town district

766
01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:46,690
answer bourbon residential that maximum heights going to be thirty five feet. Correct.

767
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:53,760
Is that

768
01:06:55,930 --> 01:07:00,570
it? Thank you. We will now close a eleven and elephant.

769
01:07:03,310 --> 01:07:07,430
The view of considered taking action ordinance number two twenty three dash fifteen.

770
01:07:07,810 --> 01:07:11,490
Because fiscal fiscal year twenty twenty four taxes.

771
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,500
All right. Good evening, Mayor commissioners. With the deadline for changes to exemptions,

772
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:19,960
fast reporting on June 30th,

773
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,580
after we're requesting your action to see being.

774
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,120
The provide value in size for your decision-making process,

775
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,640
app prepared a presentation that covers essential aspects.

776
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,040
We'll begin with the concise recap of last month's presentation,

777
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,420
which probably comes in and property tax.

778
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:36,880
Followed by comparative analysis of neighboring city exemptions,

779
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:39,700
additionally, as we delve into the topic of exemptions,

780
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,820
it's crucial to address the plan for the fiscal year,

781
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,780
2024 property tax rate.

782
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:47,580
And with that, there's a quick recap.

783
01:07:49,220 --> 01:07:54,440
We've discussed two local option exemptions, one being the homestead, which is 1.5%

784
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,760
of the minimum of 5,000 and the other being over 65, which is right now is 6,000.

785
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,700
Taxcoder requires that the commission improve this five before July 1st.

786
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:08,760
And the tax office normally asks for this by April, but I did reach out to them, and

787
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,600
we do have to June 30th to provide a decision.

788
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,000
The over 65, again, it's currently 6,000 to men, men, men, men, men is 3,000.

789
01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:26,080
Local, the local option exemption is 1.5% or 5,000 to max is 20% or the men, men,

790
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,380
over 5,000.

791
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:34,200
Here in this table, the states are pure cities, optional exemption comparisons.

792
01:08:34,940 --> 01:08:40,080
As you can see, Richmond is at 1.5% or 5% which is greater, and then you see

793
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,580
And it needville, Missouri City, Sugarland,

794
01:08:42,820 --> 01:08:44,700
Fulcher, Rosenberg, Metosplacing, Katie.

795
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,800
And then the over 65, we're at 6,000 compared

796
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,200
to the other piercities listed there.

797
01:08:58,390 --> 01:09:00,910
As you were, it's also important to remember that rich

798
01:09:00,910 --> 01:09:04,270
from being the county seat, exam property is key.

799
01:09:04,530 --> 01:09:07,110
So we're at 31% of our exam property

800
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:10,330
compared to our piercities, the second highest

801
01:09:10,330 --> 01:09:13,710
closest being Katie, and the lowest being Metosplice.

802
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:16,950
I see, is it? We slipped from 40% to 31.

803
01:09:18,130 --> 01:09:19,490
Yes, ma'am. We did. Yes, it did.

804
01:09:19,750 --> 01:09:26,870
We did. We've been sitting. So we've been saying 40, 41% that number now is around 31%.

805
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:31,890
So some of our subdivisions coming into plays, some of the other annexations that we've done.

806
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:35,170
Just know that number slightly different than what we've doubted in the past.

807
01:09:35,290 --> 01:09:38,710
Which is good. I mean, we're coming down. So hopefully next year it'll be 20%.

808
01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:52,150
And then on the next slide, it's a commercial value comparison bar graph.

809
01:09:52,310 --> 01:09:59,730
I can see Richmond is at the third lowest, and the total commercial value isn't blue with the total

810
01:09:59,730 --> 01:09:59,970
attack.

811
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,780
Commissar Valu in orange. Again, illustrates how much the county takes over our land, for example, properties.

812
01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:23,440
Then, sure land, Missouri, city, and Rosenberg, really, they have an economies of scale, which allows them to put themselves into positions, where they can give additional homes to exemptions, or higher homes to over 65 exemption.

813
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:24,540
So

814
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:34,360
again, transitioning from exemptions to property tax, it's important to talk about it in the same breath.

815
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:41,760
Senate bill to really caps the cities at the 30% of value revaluation growth.

816
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:47,420
Meaning that no new revenue rate will always come down depending on the valuation.

817
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:50,520
The assumption is that valuation will always go down.

818
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,940
It's valid, I mean, up, as valuation goes up,

819
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:55,840
you know, you know, know you revenue rate goes down.

820
01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:57,180
And then you're capped at 30,

821
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,860
how per cent revenue growth asset that,

822
01:10:58,980 --> 01:11:01,440
which is the voter approval rate, or in our case,

823
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,500
as well as the diminimous tax rate.

824
01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:07,280
And then, and as we talk about property tax rate,

825
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:11,800
the bond rating agencies, it's important to talk about

826
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,080
what they do on their analysis to give us

827
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:18,240
or rating again, or is it double eight minus my standards

828
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:18,840
and poor?

829
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,980
So what they look at is our revenue, they do a forecast similar to our fiscal impact model.

830
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:31,960
So if we begin to reduce our property tax rate and reduce our revenues, they'll also keep that into account when they do their analysis on their ratings.

831
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,800
They also look at our expenditures at the same time.

832
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:40,510
So the city mitigates risk in a couple of ways.

833
01:11:40,830 --> 01:11:42,590
We assume a collection rate is a conservative 98%.

834
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:50,630
Again, that's due to timing 100% hopefully in the long run as some of the property valuation falls into the length.

835
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:57,690
We make assumptions in our file budget based on historical trends in the actual, so right now we're developing that budget.

836
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:59,910
We'll come to you and should lie with our proposed budget.

837
01:12:00,730 --> 01:12:02,790
And then you'll see our property tax revenue assumptions.

838
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:06,670
And after we file the budget, we'll go through our workshops.

839
01:12:07,210 --> 01:12:10,110
In after July 25, the certified tax rate comes out.

840
01:12:10,210 --> 01:12:11,830
We do our truth and taxation calculation.

841
01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:15,610
And we get a true property tax rate number at that point.

842
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:27,120
This table will illustrate what a change in our property tax rate would do.

843
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:36,600
So going from 66 cents to a penny to 0.65 cents, it would be a $78,000, $270,000, $220,000,

844
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,020
$220,000 financial impact to our general fund revenues.

845
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:43,360
And then so on you can see as the increase goes more down,

846
01:12:43,580 --> 01:12:46,280
that the loss of revenue also comes higher.

847
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:55,460
The city financial long term forecast, it's important to illustrate on the next slide that

848
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:03,300
right now looking in the long term perspective, our new development for random city

849
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:08,420
mandola brought to great point in our financials, so could you see the commission in the

850
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:15,480
city manager for taking on that development, but our expenditures are increasing higher than

851
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:23,780
revenues. So as you can see, in 24, our revenues over expenditure are at 800 and 1,000, but

852
01:13:23,780 --> 01:13:30,760
the increase or decrease starts to come down in the out years, ultimately net by 28. We

853
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:37,660
would start drawing down on our fund balance at 300,000. So any changes to the tax rate or

854
01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:40,340
exemptions may move that number up closer.

855
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:45,310
And the question brought this morning on the

856
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:52,290
workshop was how would this look like if we added additional debt on top of this.

857
01:13:52,530 --> 01:14:02,050
And so if the unconstrained CFP was layered into this slide here, which we would see in

858
01:14:02,050 --> 01:14:06,090
FY24 is actually a drawdown of negative 1.5 million.

859
01:14:07,070 --> 01:14:15,210
So again, it's not accounting for needs of the city on the CFP side.

860
01:14:15,210 --> 01:14:19,550
It's just accounted for the existing debt that we are already obligated to.

861
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:25,860
All right.

862
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:28,520
And with that commission.

863
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:32,380
So if the commission expresses desire to increase exemptions, staff recommends

864
01:14:32,380 --> 01:14:34,840
on increasing the over 65 exemption.

865
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:36,920
For the more as a fiscal year,

866
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:42,120
2024 budget is developed, we propose maintaining the current property tax rate at 66 cents.

867
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:45,760
This approach ensures the homeowners receive additional support,

868
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,920
while providing stability and tax rates to facilitate the budget planning process.

869
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,880
If that all will take any questions, comments or just repeat that, would it staff recommend?

870
01:14:56,060 --> 01:14:59,920
We're recommending if the Commission desires.

871
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,360
First to give increased exemptions here to focus on the over 65 exemptions, at the same time,

872
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,660
plain to maintain the tax rate of 66 cents to develop the budget.

873
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,620
So, why does staff recommend over 65 exemptions rather than homestead exemptions?

874
01:15:22,020 --> 01:15:26,720
It's the least impact to the general fund, depending on the valuation.

875
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:39,880
So, for example, Commissioner, once an increase in the property tax rate, just for one, looking at a single fiscal year, is 70,000 to $1,000 in revenue loss.

876
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:41,720
A 5,000?

877
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:43,580
A 1% decrease.

878
01:15:44,180 --> 01:15:44,900
1%?

879
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,260
Just a 1% property tax rate.

880
01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:48,720
So, going from 66 and 65,000?

881
01:15:53,680 --> 01:16:01,520
from 6,000 to 11,000 would be about 25,000 in revenue loss, and a 1% increase on homestead

882
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,520
would be about 33,000.

883
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:11,480
Okay, so I can tell you that what I look at this, I think, what do you want to encourage,

884
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,260
and who do you want to reward?

885
01:16:14,020 --> 01:16:21,580
Because that's what you're doing is your tax policy, your fiscal policy is going to encourage

886
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:23,520
certain behaviors and discourage others.

887
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:29,280
And so when I look at this, I say, I want to encourage

888
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,420
owner occupier.

889
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,400
I want to encourage people who live in the community,

890
01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:35,680
I have a sense of ownership in the community.

891
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:39,920
And so my inclination is to increase the homestead

892
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:40,440
exemption.

893
01:16:44,110 --> 01:16:47,490
I'm open to the idea of increasing the over 65,

894
01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:50,510
just because many of those folks are on fixed incomes,

895
01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:53,090
but the truth of the matter is that many of the folks

896
01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:54,270
that are over 65,

897
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,160
I don't have any data to back this up, but my sense is going to be that

898
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,200
many of those folks are doing just fine or they're already hurting and a few dollars

899
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,000
here, there's not going to make much of a difference.

900
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:09,880
So I'm looking at it more.

901
01:17:10,740 --> 01:17:17,140
If you want to look at what a homestead exemption is in the Fort Bend County area, I would

902
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:21,580
want to increase that so that Richmond is more competitive and encouraging people.

903
01:17:21,580 --> 01:17:29,620
When they're especially if we're looking at expanding the city limits and bringing in other neighborhoods or new development

904
01:17:30,140 --> 01:17:36,280
You know, I think that I think that adds to the attractiveness of people buying and becoming owner occupied

905
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:44,040
I take I take city staff warning the heart when they talk about

906
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,020
lowering the the property tax

907
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:49,600
Because of

908
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,640
the way Senate bill two plays on that, that makes me a little nervous.

909
01:17:56,860 --> 01:18:03,640
I don't want to get a Senate situation where our ability to react is constrained by Senate bill two,

910
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:12,260
or we've got to go to the voters and say, you know, we've run the ship around and we need to increase the tax rate,

911
01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:18,220
Whereas if we did it with either a homestead or an over 65,

912
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,800
we'd have the ability to tweak that on our own.

913
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:28,920
And so for my two cents, I appreciate that you,

914
01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:33,500
by lowering the property tax rate, you're treating everybody equally.

915
01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:37,380
But if somebody's got a rental property,

916
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,300
they can afford to pay the 66 cents in my book.

917
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:47,480
We ought to be encouraging folks that are trying to get on the property ladder that want to make rich men their own and so

918
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:56,940
My inclination is to increase the homestead exception perhaps more than and you guys would like but that's that's where my thoughts

919
01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:59,320
That's all I got there

920
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,120
Okay, we should go

921
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,060
Well, I agree with almost everything you said

922
01:19:06,540 --> 01:19:09,720
We have three levers to work with.

923
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,680
If we increase exemptions, we decrease the city revenue.

924
01:19:15,220 --> 01:19:18,740
If we decrease the property rate, we decrease the city revenue.

925
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,100
It's just how much can we stand.

926
01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:27,180
When I look at your forecast, it looks like for the next few years,

927
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,380
we've got a pretty good surplus in the base case.

928
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:43,300
But when you get four or five years down the road, maybe if all those assumptions are right, which we know they aren't, we don't know what they're going to be, but we have to make some assumptions.

929
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,540
It says that a problem might occur a few years down the road.

930
01:19:48,060 --> 01:19:58,760
I guess the bottom line is, I agree with Commissioner Bement, that depending on which lever you turn, you favor some people at the expense of others.

931
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:59,780
nice

932
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:11,700
We're trying to attract commercial growth in our city, because they pay not only property tax, but they generate sales tax revenues for us.

933
01:20:13,060 --> 01:20:24,420
So, the only the over 65 exemption doesn't help them nor does the home state exemption. The only thing that helps them is reducing the property rate.

934
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:40,540
If the tax rate is 66, enrichment and it's 43 and Rosenberg, they may go just to cross the, they would be encouraged to go across the line and to Rosenberg or in the sugarland or whatever, all things be equal.

935
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:47,000
So, I agree that depending on which action we take, we fade with some people at the expense of others.

936
01:20:47,000 --> 01:21:00,740
So, I think the commercial property developers are the ones we want to attract because they generate double refining for sales tax and property tax.

937
01:21:01,380 --> 01:21:11,740
So, I've always been in front of my first priority has always been keeping them in a way that property tax steadily and we've done a great job over the last decade.

938
01:21:11,740 --> 01:21:18,940
I don't see why we don't continue that and if we can do that and

939
01:21:21,890 --> 01:21:26,430
the exemption up a bit.

940
01:21:28,150 --> 01:21:29,690
I'm for that too.

941
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:31,910
I feel like we've been, I'm

942
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,820
a conservative person.

943
01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:41,820
But I feel like in this case maybe we're being a little bit too conservative.

944
01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:52,400
if I think we're giving too much consideration to the out years, fiscal year 28, and beyond

945
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:58,500
based on some assumptions, which we know are just, the best we can do, but there we

946
01:21:58,500 --> 01:22:02,580
know that we'll be making different assumptions next year and different assumptions again

947
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:03,680
the year after that.

948
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:13,200
I'd be a little bit more aggressive on either property tax, rate,

949
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,600
reduction or exemption increase,

950
01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:21,090
if I were to give them to the former, if I have.

951
01:22:21,230 --> 01:22:23,070
Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Guns.

952
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:30,910
I don't know if everyone on the Commission had a chance to see the additional charts

953
01:22:30,910 --> 01:22:34,690
that they said this, but I'm looking at the property tax reduction.

954
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:42,990
My nature impact and it's not all inclusive, because I don't see the waterline project that was

955
01:22:42,990 --> 01:22:52,650
to go across the bridge of 90, and I'll forget what the cost was on it, but we actually

956
01:22:52,650 --> 01:22:58,230
are doing it through another source, because it's not considered end-to-end strain we

957
01:22:58,230 --> 01:23:01,530
have an additional resource in order to provide for funding.

958
01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:06,570
Okay, so that's why it's not here, but that explains it.

959
01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:08,450
Thank you.

960
01:23:09,230 --> 01:23:17,850
But if you look at these planned items, which I think everybody was in favor of and

961
01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:25,010
wants to get done, and some which we have today, there's quite a few million there.

962
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:30,510
There's at least, you know, 29 out of rounded up to 30 million, just by the time some of

963
01:23:30,510 --> 01:23:43,710
ahead. The costs keep going up. We've got to keep the future development of our city in mind

964
01:23:43,710 --> 01:23:52,690
as we look at the budget. It's not about surviving. It's about growing as Richmond grows.

965
01:23:52,690 --> 01:24:03,490
And Richmond is growing right now, it's primarily, we've had more housing come in to Richmond on the property than we have commercial.

966
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:13,870
I would like to see more commercialists sooner than later, but we've got to be prepared for that.

967
01:24:13,870 --> 01:24:22,960
And so, I mean, I caution all of us about tightening the range too much to where we don't.

968
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:30,260
It is good to have money and all of us as we've gone through life have tried to put money away

969
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,640
so that we can have something in the future.

970
01:24:34,460 --> 01:24:37,400
And a city's got to do the same thing.

971
01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:39,920
I mean, to build and grow.

972
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:50,080
And if we just look at the here and now, what it's cost us to survive, provide the basic necessities to our citizens

973
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,840
would not look and out for the city's future.

974
01:24:55,260 --> 01:24:59,740
So that's why I've been very cautionary with all of these cuts.

975
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:09,540
That's cuts, because if you're not looking at the full picture, it will bite us. It'll bite the city in the

976
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:16,840
tail. We may be long gone, but it'll, and enjoying some of the benefits we're creating now on

977
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:22,360
the lower taxes. But right now, we just, we don't have the income from outside sources,

978
01:25:26,420 --> 01:25:29,980
like

979
01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:36,140
And unless we see it, which I don't, that it's going to be an immediate influx,

980
01:25:38,180 --> 01:25:40,420
then we have to be cautious.

981
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:51,860
And that's why I'm not right now with conditions of everything going on with interest rates and all that.

982
01:25:51,860 --> 01:25:57,560
I am not for it, because we can cut rates here, and then we have to take out a bond at

983
01:25:58,340 --> 01:26:03,260
if it keeps going to path that's going at some crazy rate, which now we have more in debt

984
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:12,460
versus income, so that's really all I have to say on this.

985
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:17,780
I just caution all of us as a commission on trying to

986
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,700
draw things continually.

987
01:26:21,700 --> 01:26:29,080
We need to sit back and look at what the future holds and make decisions on this.

988
01:26:29,620 --> 01:26:30,840
That's all I have there.

989
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:31,640
Thank you.

990
01:26:31,980 --> 01:26:32,340
Mr. Bill.

991
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:36,160
So how many households do we have?

992
01:26:37,460 --> 01:26:38,060
I

993
01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:41,760
don't need their commissioner.

994
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:44,120
I think that's right.

995
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,560
I think been there for 10 dollars a household.

996
01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:57,760
You were to lower it by 10, which doesn't mean much to them, but it means a lot to us.

997
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:04,080
So, you know, I don't want $200,000 business.

998
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,720
That's $200,000.

999
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:13,420
You know, I don't know how we address that, but we've got to address something tonight.

1000
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:29,480
So I concur that we need to address commercial values somehow, whether that be through them.

1001
01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:38,740
I just don't think we're ready to lower it right now until we start seeing what this next year will.

1002
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:45,180
There's going to be a lot to unfold out with a mass, a lot of opportunity, things that

1003
01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:50,430
we're not even thinking about right now, and then we'll be able to see it a little further

1004
01:27:50,430 --> 01:27:51,850
into the future I would think.

1005
01:27:52,810 --> 01:28:00,510
So my sense is, I don't care whether we do a little exemption for 65

1006
01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:07,690
and over or the other

1007
01:28:07,690 --> 01:28:12,690
I can't remember about both of those.

1008
01:28:13,470 --> 01:28:14,390
I would need to do something.

1009
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:16,350
I can't remember.

1010
01:28:16,350 --> 01:28:16,510
I can't remember.

1011
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:20,730
It looks like we have 5,137 accounts on the roll.

1012
01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:23,010
Well, 5,100.

1013
01:28:23,530 --> 01:28:23,530
So

1014
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:27,310
it's 38.

1015
01:28:28,270 --> 01:28:30,250
It's 50,000.

1016
01:28:31,450 --> 01:28:31,650
It's 50,000.

1017
01:28:32,970 --> 01:28:33,550
It's 50,000.

1018
01:28:33,550 --> 01:28:33,850
It's 50,000.

1019
01:28:34,570 --> 01:28:35,230
It's 50,000.

1020
01:28:35,230 --> 01:28:35,290
It's 50,000.

1021
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:36,850
It's 50,000.

1022
01:28:37,170 --> 01:28:39,130
It's 50,000.

1023
01:28:39,130 --> 01:28:44,410
Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor.

1024
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:53,530
So, and I think Commissioner Gaul has got a good point that attracting commercial enterprises

1025
01:28:53,530 --> 01:29:04,130
will not only help with property tax but also at sales tax but it seems to me that we've

1026
01:29:04,130 --> 01:29:12,270
able to find ways to attract business with development deals that we do where we do an

1027
01:29:12,270 --> 01:29:21,110
end run around the property tax because to the extent that we're not as competitive on the

1028
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:27,110
property tax aspect of it as say a Rosenberg we've been we've been working deals out with

1029
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:33,030
there was the new quest there was tax but not property tax correct but but if I'm a business

1030
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:38,070
owner, I don't care. In other words, I want my cost to do a business. If you want to attract me

1031
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:45,630
and I want my cost to do a business to make financial sense, and if it's a dollar here

1032
01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:51,670
or it's a dollar there, it's a dollar either way. And you can make an argument that, well,

1033
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:59,230
down the road, when that deal with the city runs out, it's not as attractive, but you're already there.

1034
01:29:59,230 --> 01:29:59,890
Uh...

1035
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,760
And so, I mean, I think it's a great point, but I think that the city's got other tools in their toolbox to make that value proposition more attractive.

1036
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:21,620
And so, what I'd like perhaps to hear is like, you know,

1037
01:30:21,860 --> 01:30:31,400
paint me the nightmare scenario if, if we, and what needs to happen for us to get ourselves

1038
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:36,760
in that death spiral where suddenly, you know,

1039
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,220
well, but we're just going to go down to

1040
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:44,660
But that's what we're going to do.

1041
01:30:45,420 --> 01:30:51,060
And so what needs to happen, one of the different steps that need to happen that say,

1042
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,300
we'll pull a cow.

1043
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:55,940
We're going to, the city's going to have to tighten its bell.

1044
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,080
We're going to, we're going to be redlining.

1045
01:30:59,740 --> 01:31:02,120
We're going to have to go back out to the voters and say, look,

1046
01:31:02,260 --> 01:31:08,020
we need to do more than a 3.5% increase to write the ship.

1047
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:09,140
So what would that look like?

1048
01:31:09,140 --> 01:31:13,480
The biggest, it's multiple components, but the biggest one being cell stacks.

1049
01:31:14,140 --> 01:31:17,180
We highly, highly rely on cell stacks.

1050
01:31:18,420 --> 01:31:24,820
And a lot of our cell stacks, what I see from the data is a lot of online cells are coming in.

1051
01:31:25,140 --> 01:31:29,500
I can't tell you a definite, that belongs to the city of Richmond or not.

1052
01:31:29,940 --> 01:31:34,860
We just had that scenario about a year ago where we collected cell stacks that didn't belong to us.

1053
01:31:34,860 --> 01:31:39,600
And then we had to repay over time, which affected our fund balance and everything else.

1054
01:31:40,820 --> 01:31:47,120
And also increasing expenditures, you can ask any of our department heads how much expenses

1055
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,260
have gone up the past year due to inflation.

1056
01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:57,020
So again, if our expenditures continue to go this route where our governments just throw

1057
01:31:57,020 --> 01:32:01,340
one money into the economy, and it's just pumping and pumping, we're going to have a problem

1058
01:32:01,340 --> 01:32:02,180
on the expenditure.

1059
01:32:02,180 --> 01:32:03,180
We'll see in our group.

1060
01:32:03,180 --> 01:32:09,860
Exactly. So it's a combination of that expenditures. And again, I just want to reiterate it's very important.

1061
01:32:10,540 --> 01:32:15,220
I think we have a now standing bond rating for our decides of our city at AA minus.

1062
01:32:16,220 --> 01:32:21,220
I fear that if we start cutting down our revenues, our expenditures keep increasing.

1063
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:29,240
Perhaps we have a sales tax adjustment like we did last year, all that the bonding rate agencies look at and then they forecast out.

1064
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:34,700
And so that impacts our rating, and again, and that impacts our rating and the effect

1065
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:40,220
to downgrade it, the cost of debt for us for interest rates to go up, which ultimately

1066
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:45,680
hurt our residency even more because of the interest repaying on that debt.

1067
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:58,540
And so one last question would be if the current home state exemption is 1.5% or 5,000, whichever

1068
01:32:58,540 --> 01:33:04,240
greater if we want to do increase that,

1069
01:33:06,710 --> 01:33:11,050
would that be 2.5% or 10 grand, whichever is greater

1070
01:33:11,050 --> 01:33:11,910
or what?

1071
01:33:12,490 --> 01:33:17,710
You would increase the, it stays out of 5,000 minimum, Gary McC, correct me if I'm wrong.

1072
01:33:18,810 --> 01:33:24,090
But the percentage increase in the homestead, you could increase, I believe, why half a

1073
01:33:24,090 --> 01:33:24,390
percent.

1074
01:33:24,710 --> 01:33:30,790
So if you went from 1.5 to 2.5%, estimating that would be a reduction of 33,000 going

1075
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:32,250
into the general fund in 24.

1076
01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:37,210
OK, so you could actually do it.

1077
01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:43,470
The three and a half percent and still be under the one percent impact

1078
01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:46,310
on the pathway, one percent.

1079
01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:48,330
The one percent.

1080
01:33:48,510 --> 01:33:52,150
There you could go to two percent.

1081
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:53,390
Yes, sir.

1082
01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:54,270
OK, OK.

1083
01:33:54,270 --> 01:34:00,650
but two and a half, and it'd be about equivalent to a one cent action and property tax.

1084
01:34:02,300 --> 01:34:10,000
Well, what I'm saying is you go from the 1.5% to 3.5% to 3.5% still be under your 1 cent tax

1085
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,020
rate reduction, what by 2.5%.

1086
01:34:13,020 --> 01:34:13,200
Yes.

1087
01:34:13,540 --> 01:34:15,940
I'm sure that I want to clarify.

1088
01:34:16,060 --> 01:34:17,020
That is an estimate.

1089
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:23,560
As you know, the homestead was, I believe last year was the first time, so as more citizens

1090
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:28,920
has become aware of the home set, that number could go up as they apply for the home set

1091
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:29,200
exemption.

1092
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:30,900
So it's just an estimate.

1093
01:34:31,220 --> 01:34:31,400
Sure.

1094
01:34:31,420 --> 01:34:39,860
And if we get into budgeting next year, and we say, wait, that is taking a huge chunk out of

1095
01:34:39,860 --> 01:34:44,980
what we need to operate and keep the city financially healthy, that's an easier car to pull

1096
01:34:44,980 --> 01:34:49,860
back off the table than the property tax rate itself.

1097
01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:54,920
Yes, because of Senate bill too, or Robbie tax all right. That's all I've got, Mayor. Thank you.

1098
01:34:55,540 --> 01:34:58,040
I see. I see. I see.

1099
01:35:00,690 --> 01:35:16,530
Comparisons, I guess I'm meeting you go and I don't see it in your presentation today. Didn't you have one and a half percent as an average for other city seats, cities? I know it wasn't apples and apples, but most of them had adopted a one and a half percent or five thousand, whichever it was greater.

1100
01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:28,890
I'm sad that they had some fluctuation of their greater than 65. It looked like it ranged from seven to eight thousand, six thousand was the minimum, which is what we have. They had seven and eight. Is that correct?

1101
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:33,450
It's the comparison of the county seats for, of course, the Canada was an example.

1102
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:37,130
They weren't great cities that you compared to, but it was at least county seats,

1103
01:35:37,230 --> 01:35:38,490
you can compare some of others.

1104
01:35:38,530 --> 01:35:41,270
I tried to do Red Apple to green Apple comparison, right?

1105
01:35:41,450 --> 01:35:47,750
And so we were the only city that did the one half percent, the only city that had a homestead.

1106
01:35:48,150 --> 01:35:53,730
Everybody else had a higher over 65 exemption, but we were the only county seat in that graph

1107
01:35:53,730 --> 01:35:55,170
That had a home set exemption.

1108
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,000
Any further discussion?

1109
01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:11,440
I guess the decision we need to make tonight is what are we going to do with exemptions?

1110
01:36:12,140 --> 01:36:15,160
We're not here to discuss property tax rate.

1111
01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:16,560
That'll be a future meeting.

1112
01:36:16,900 --> 01:36:17,300
Yes, sir.

1113
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:18,520
Another fun discussion.

1114
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:25,520
But the question tonight we have to answer is, do we increase or decrease or keep the same?

1115
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:27,840
Two exemptions.

1116
01:36:29,020 --> 01:36:29,540
Yes, sir.

1117
01:36:29,540 --> 01:36:34,180
And we're going to enter that into our ordinance that will then submit to the tax office.

1118
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:39,260
So we're commemorating it through an ordinance and I, in order for us to just hear which is the head.

1119
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,060
So we'll need to pull everybody to make sure we're in.

1120
01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:54,860
So if I could suggest maybe as a first step, we find out where everybody is, do we want to increase exemptions or not?

1121
01:36:54,860 --> 01:37:04,100
And that the majority is that they want to increase the exemptions, then we go on and find out where and how, how much.

1122
01:37:07,500 --> 01:37:08,790
Is that, is that how it's?

1123
01:37:09,820 --> 01:37:12,720
We need to take a motion, have a motion on what it is.

1124
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,740
Where I move that we increase the homestead exemption by an amount to be determined in this meeting.

1125
01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:22,880
That's quite a point of order on this.

1126
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,480
So I can understand why this ordinance is drawn.

1127
01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:33,740
And it has both the homestead and the over 65.

1128
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:41,420
And what you're telling us is your recommendation is over 65 and not to master the homestead.

1129
01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:42,080
It's going to show.

1130
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:52,240
So how would we fix this if we were to follow the...

1131
01:37:54,460 --> 01:37:54,980
I

1132
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:15,320
think I would have to re-teach them because you're on the 65 now because you have a home-state exception.

1133
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:20,040
I think we, we just never, we looked at that last time.

1134
01:38:26,290 --> 01:38:28,530
I think we looked at that last year.

1135
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:35,540
Nobody could be on the, nobody on the commission could vote for all property owners.

1136
01:38:35,540 --> 01:38:40,540
because it doesn't have a space, but it cancels together all.

1137
01:38:44,990 --> 01:38:47,510
Point of order, motions on the table.

1138
01:38:48,230 --> 01:38:49,590
Is there

1139
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:54,040
a second? Is

1140
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:58,690
there a second?

1141
01:38:58,690 --> 01:38:59,590
Is there a second?

1142
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:06,230
I never got a question on answer.

1143
01:39:07,330 --> 01:39:12,230
Okay. How do we fix this if we were to follow the city's recommendations?

1144
01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:29,070
The

1145
01:39:33,580 --> 01:39:38,480
care you could commemorate what they want to do with this, she just fill in what it is.

1146
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:44,800
So you could just commemorate with currently we have 6,000 and then we've got the 1.5% or 5,000.

1147
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:50,280
We would just restate what we have and submit this ordinance to them as our adopted ordinance

1148
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,000
with the exemptions attached.

1149
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,560
You wouldn't have to take action of what's changing.

1150
01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:59,320
You would take action on this ordinance and fill it out with what your exemption should be.

1151
01:39:59,700 --> 01:39:59,960
Boom.

1152
01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:06,720
That's an okay solution correct.

1153
01:40:14,890 --> 01:40:26,030
So I'll amend my motion to move that we pass the ordinance with a 2.5% homestead exemption and the over 65 stays the same.

1154
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:29,010
All in favour?

1155
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:31,990
Any opposed?

1156
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:36,360
I'm ready.

1157
01:40:37,220 --> 01:40:39,500
Okay, so we had two nays.

1158
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:42,580
Mayer, at this point, we have a tie. How do you vote?

1159
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:44,120
I vote.

1160
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,040
To increase it.

1161
01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:49,860
So you're in a,

1162
01:40:52,830 --> 01:40:53,490
she's in.

1163
01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:56,430
So three eyes and two nays.

1164
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:01,520
Motion passes any discussion.

1165
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:08,560
I move since we have an actor

1166
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:17,720
and increase in the homestead exemption that we hold the over 65 exemption to the current level.

1167
01:41:17,860 --> 01:41:20,320
That was part of my motion, yeah. Was it? Yes, okay.

1168
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:23,990
Thanks for your time.

1169
01:41:24,430 --> 01:41:25,410
All the favour?

1170
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:27,590
No, no, no, no, no.

1171
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:28,310
That's good.

1172
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:30,290
That's good. That's good.

1173
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:32,940
Motion passes on.

1174
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:33,960
Not the time.

1175
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:35,720
Motion passes.

1176
01:41:35,940 --> 01:41:39,400
OK, we will close A12 and we'll go to A13.

1177
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:46,140
I mean, excuse me, attendance at regular city commission meeting, I believe that we have one.

1178
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:47,380
There's no quadruple on the floor.

1179
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:58,520
I may have been in the hospital today, or I was going, yeah, no, I wasn't.

1180
01:41:58,900 --> 01:42:04,160
So, anyway, yeah, and not, but I should be back for the next meeting.

1181
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:07,940
You see, you're coming up.

1182
01:42:09,220 --> 01:42:10,560
I would like to add your here.

1183
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:11,840
So, permission to submit.

1184
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:13,420
Can we excuse me?

1185
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:14,580
Yeah.

1186
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:19,820
I mean, I move that we accept Commissioner Beards

1187
01:42:19,820 --> 01:42:23,420
Excuse from the last regularly scheduled meeting.

1188
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:23,980
All second.

1189
01:42:24,540 --> 01:42:24,660
Yeah.

1190
01:42:24,820 --> 01:42:25,260
All in favor?

1191
01:42:26,140 --> 01:42:26,440
All right.

1192
01:42:26,820 --> 01:42:27,220
Okay.

1193
01:42:28,020 --> 01:42:28,220
Motion.

1194
01:42:28,820 --> 01:42:29,240
I'm curious.

1195
01:42:30,140 --> 01:42:31,680
I need to be excuse, too.

1196
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:39,180
Oh, you were as country, that's why, oh my gosh, I just couldn't tell us.

1197
01:42:40,220 --> 01:42:41,300
I'll send him to the chair.

1198
01:42:41,900 --> 01:42:44,660
Drone's was also not here. He was out of the country.

1199
01:42:45,140 --> 01:42:45,620
Invitation.

1200
01:42:46,060 --> 01:42:46,480
Invitation.

1201
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:47,780
Right, case.

1202
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:51,000
Although I'm jealous, Mary, I'm moved to the week seven.

1203
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:52,180
Can we just introduce?

1204
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:54,960
Excuse me from the last regularly.

1205
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:55,640
Excuse me.

1206
01:42:57,140 --> 01:42:58,160
All in favor.

1207
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:00,460
Motion passes.

1208
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:12,630
I'm going to now close a 13-year-old of an A14, consider taking action or request for future agenda items, Mr.

1209
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:13,310
The Mint.

1210
01:43:13,630 --> 01:43:15,310
I've got nothing at this time, ma'am.

1211
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:19,770
Mr. Jones.

1212
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:23,590
No. No.

1213
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:26,110
Mr. The Mint.

1214
01:43:27,250 --> 01:43:32,710
Well, we're still going to be working on the

1215
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,720
UDC amendments.

1216
01:43:39,480 --> 01:43:42,940
So I would suggest that we put those back on for the agenda.

1217
01:43:43,740 --> 01:43:44,180
The next.

1218
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:46,460
Second.

1219
01:43:47,740 --> 01:43:48,040
Okay.

1220
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:49,080
All in favor?

1221
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:49,760
All right.

1222
01:43:50,220 --> 01:43:51,000
The opposed.

1223
01:43:51,820 --> 01:43:53,140
Motion passes unanimously.

1224
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,140
And I don't have anything.

1225
01:43:55,140 --> 01:43:59,940
So we will close a 14th of a 15th of a joint executive session.

1226
01:44:00,580 --> 01:44:03,140
It is now six foot pain.

1227
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:09,840
And I'll close the opening and the turn to executive session is our graph by Texas Filament

1228
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:20,360
Code Section 551.071, consultation with attorneys, 6551.072, the liberation, the running real estate,

1229
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,320
6551.087, the liberation.

1230
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:32,760
regarding economic development negotiations and section 551.074 personnel matters.

1231
03:11:54,160 --> 03:12:09,740
we have to

1232
03:12:10,700 --> 03:12:11,880
Was that just guidance?

1233
03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:13,000
We have to take action.

1234
03:12:13,000 --> 03:12:13,180
No.

1235
03:12:13,980 --> 03:12:14,420
No.

1236
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:14,880
No.

1237
03:12:15,040 --> 03:12:15,480
We haven't.

1238
03:12:15,780 --> 03:12:18,440
So we just continue to solve.

1239
03:12:19,340 --> 03:12:21,540
I was sure if we had to give them permission again.

1240
03:12:21,680 --> 03:12:24,520
We need to go to see a team and it is adjournment.

1241
03:12:25,560 --> 03:12:28,180
There we go.

1242
03:12:28,320 --> 03:12:28,720
There we go.

1243
03:12:28,820 --> 03:12:29,520
It's all good.

1244
03:12:29,820 --> 03:12:31,080
It is.

1245
03:12:31,140 --> 03:12:31,620
Thank you.

1246
03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:32,600
It'll work out.

1247
03:12:32,940 --> 03:12:33,840
It'll work out.

1248
03:12:33,920 --> 03:12:34,180
It'll work out.

1249
03:12:34,400 --> 03:12:35,100
It'll work out.