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[0:03] okay
[0:04] so with that can I have a motion to adopt
[0:07] the locals gender
[0:09] consecutively concert yeah I mean you go
[0:14] we can't do both that's our west coast river was
[0:18] carried any disclosures up can interest journalists are there are
[0:21] many minutes for us seeing none we have an education
[0:26] training session with respect to the Richmond hill centre and
[0:30] ... because there is a minor city manager are ready
[0:34] to begin the presentation chart
[0:37] thank you Mr mayor members of council
[0:41] I wanted to kick this off in normally it would
[0:44] be ... meet ... war or Calvin or one of
[0:48] our other staff but ... I did want to highlight
[0:52] that in terms of city building Richmond twenty first Richmond
[0:56] hill centre is the single most biggest impact team ...
[1:01] ... exercise that the city will undertake and it's not
[1:04] just about a planning exercise which we will talk about
[1:07] but it's much much more than that it's about setting
[1:09] a community it's about setting a context it's a spot
[1:12] set in the future for for Richmond hill so today
[1:15] and we're going to go over ... some for the
[1:18] purpose of why we're here we're gonna talk a little
[1:20] bit of that ... how we're structured in what the
[1:23] deliverables are specifically
[1:25] we're going to get a picture of because for some
[1:28] health centres not island it has contacts and has ...
[1:32] planning context as well we're gonna hear from Michael Morrissey
[1:36] ... who as lead planning exercises in and Langstaff to
[1:40] the south of Richmond center ... and then we're going
[1:43] to get ... walk through the principles the key principles
[1:48] that are are ... part of our visioning exercise in
[1:51] as we develop the regional center
[1:56] why we're here today and wanted to just give you
[1:58] the nuts and bolts details of why we're here today
[2:02] ... and ... give me an update on where we
[2:04] are in the process and what's gone on ... we're
[2:07] also going to look at ... some of that the
[2:09] draft principles that were developed in the first round we
[2:12] had in a community engagement meeting ... and ... we've
[2:18] spent some time with counsel and so we want to
[2:20] give you some feedback and how some of the principles
[2:24] ... that are rounding up and rounding out and we're
[2:28] also going to present some of the options that are
[2:29] being explored and get some feedback around that but this
[2:32] is really meant to be an interactive exercise with counsel
[2:35] to get your feedback and and to start to set
[2:38] up a course and direction for ... for planning the
[2:41] Richmond center
[2:44] at the heart of that I mentioned at the very
[2:46] start that the Richmond hill centre that is much more
[2:50] than a secondary plan it is about the life of
[2:54] our city it's about the future of our city and
[2:57] ... this is this statement kind of captures an aspirational
[3:01] aspect to what we've been hearing from both the council
[3:04] and members of the public Richmond hill center is it
[3:07] will be a world leading urban grow center and mobility
[3:11] hub with a future focused community so it captures a
[3:15] lot ... ... in that statement it's about how we're
[3:19] thinking about the future about how were people were planning
[3:22] in a community in the context of of a larger
[3:26] urban place in a really ... the the mobility hub
[3:30] aspects of it it's a confluence of of a lot
[3:33] of activity people are coming to the Richmond hill centre
[3:36] to stop please stay stay here and work here to
[3:39] live there to play there and also it is a
[3:43] a vehicle to transport other people too ... the economic
[3:47] engine of the country
[3:52] how we're structured internally ... I've just want to remind
[3:55] you ... it because the importance of this project is
[3:58] being run out of my office ... SO we can
[4:02] align all the resources to put the effort that's required
[4:05] into this and to the planning of this ... ...
[4:07] the significant project the executive champions project is mita candy
[4:12] ... and the the actual ... legs on the ground
[4:17] it's being led by Daniel things from my office ...
[4:21] Clement Chung is the as the planner who's responsible for
[4:25] overseeing the the actual planning documents that we have the
[4:28] consultants on board urban strategies who you'll hear from ...
[4:31] before that and ... we also have a municipal technical
[4:35] working group that's made up of people across the the
[4:37] corporation that has set ... the vehicle is the vehicle
[4:42] to provide feedback into the group
[4:47] with respect to the work plan where we are in
[4:49] there the work plan has three components as you're aware
[4:52] ... to coordinate the Richmond hill input on preliminary design
[4:55] and engineering that's the nuts and bolts concrete how that
[4:58] where the subway is gonna link up and how it
[5:01] gets integrated threat security how it looks and feels and
[5:04] we have the bus lanes the BRT bus lanes are
[5:06] coming in we have to integrate that the go go
[5:09] rail as well that's one aspect of it and also
[5:13] in the larger broader stance were developing and the vision
[5:16] in the plan and the actual secondary plan for the
[5:18] Richmond hill centre that will guide the land use ...
[5:21] regime into the future and also as we have a
[5:26] role to play in advocating for Richmond hill centre writ
[5:30] large with ... with our other partners with Metrolinx now
[5:34] who's running the the ... ... the project to the
[5:37] actual delivery of the subway ... advocating with the region
[5:41] on what are unique and special needs are and how
[5:43] we fit into the reasons ... ... context as well
[5:50] so where we are in terms of deliverables worrying at
[5:54] ... ... the preliminary design to fifteen to twenty percent
[5:57] plumbing design being ... right now targeting March of twenty
[6:01] twenty I will say that we learned yesterday that with
[6:04] the transition of the project from your preacher rapid transit
[6:07] corporation to Metrolinx ... that ... ... date may stretch
[6:14] ... because of the issues that they want to ...
[6:18] hand that work often to verify that what's been going
[6:21] on is ... is truly work where the province and
[6:24] the other partners want to go they're also changing the
[6:27] governance structure at Metrolinx to ensure that ... things like
[6:31] if the value capture above the stations are are consistently
[6:35] carried through an optimized where they can't so there's a
[6:39] bit of planning has worked its needs to be done
[6:41] at Metrolinx that'll inform our secondary planning process and also
[6:44] ... will probably end up pushing the date of the
[6:47] plumbing design engineering back bit
[6:50] our goal has been to ... finish the ... had
[6:54] perfect present a draft of the secondary plan and by
[6:57] June twenty twenty ... this as of yesterday may push
[7:01] again because if we don't know exactly where the subway
[7:04] line it comes in ... to Richmond hill centre if
[7:08] there's changing to our ... for that set mandated from
[7:11] from ... ... from Metrolinx in terms of densities and
[7:14] heights and so on ... we want to make sure
[7:16] that were were reflecting those requirements in our in our
[7:19] documents as well
[7:24] so this point so I think it's worthwhile getting in
[7:26] the context of what of what we're planning here in
[7:30] Richmond hill and we've invited Michael Morrissey who is his
[7:35] fancy tile senior design and development visor ... with more
[7:38] seated at designs and ... he's been off the lead
[7:42] in the Langstaff planning efforts south of south of seven
[7:47] and ... he'll walk you through the Langstaff plan and
[7:52] highlight some of the some of the connections that ...
[7:56] ... that are possible with the Richmond center so I'll
[7:59] turn it over to Mike Moore seen
[8:02] thank you welcome Sir much
[8:05] okay
[8:08] okay
[8:10] yeah I'm Michael Morrissey and ... my career started in
[8:15] Markham center twenty years ago twenty years ago actually Frank
[8:20] Scarpelli the mayor Schor petty was their major counselor Jim
[8:24] Jones was there and at the time they got interested
[8:27] in the work in the summer
[8:29] and we hired Andreas wanting myself and your architects
[8:34] the master plan Martin says he
[8:38] on the lower right hand corner is a three D.
[8:40] massing of the Markham center ... that we revisited in
[8:44] twenty ten
[8:46] the density there now is at 10 times coverage
[8:51] in 20 years ago
[8:55] we thought we were
[8:57] changing the game two point five times coverage we took
[9:00] suburban sprawl and we we imposed or implemented in a
[9:05] newer business models to create a civic square
[9:09] full of arts to create walkable communities and we thought
[9:12] two point five times coverage like the massing was six
[9:16] to eight stories we thought that was way out of
[9:18] the box when we revisit twenty ten twenty years ago
[9:22] we were visited in twenty ten
[9:25] 
[9:27] we realize that the the world has changed and I
[9:30] think that's the perspective that you have to keep in
[9:32] mind when you're doing these vision plans and you're looking
[9:37] at
[9:38] sort of large scale city center city building developments if
[9:42] you have to keep in mind that the big picture
[9:45] will evolve over time and that's very very important when
[9:48] it comes to developing your secondary plan and one of
[9:51] the lessons that we're learning in Langstaff as were implementing
[9:55] our two thousand and nine ... ... approved master plan
[10:01] is that the secondary plan has to be flexible because
[10:05] over time ten years later things change
[10:09] and the plan has to have built in flexibility at
[10:12] the city very primal
[10:15] the process top of Toronto when I initially drew Markham
[10:18] center before seven didn't exist we knew it was coming
[10:23] ... in in all the perspective drawings and watercolors envision
[10:27] drawings that they did time I had to drive in
[10:30] and now if you look at the top of Toronto
[10:33] four seven is the East West line that connects the
[10:38] pro centers ... Vaughan Richmond hill Langstaff and Markham center
[10:44] to the east
[10:46] each case they have a mobility hub in the province
[10:50] is dedicated to that those areas are gonna become pro
[10:54] centers
[10:59] Langstaff gateway
[11:01] the price of only 100 acres
[11:05] it is south of four seven founded by young streets
[11:09] Bayview
[11:11] and we have a third important connection at the mid
[11:15] point that links
[11:17] Richmond hill and like stuff now the cedar Avenue
[11:23] 2 of the goal line bisects the property
[11:28] and if you know the current go station is
[11:32] weekly distance between Richmond hill and **** staff center area
[11:40] we anticipate course the online
[11:43] ... I'm working as a ... might might my career's
[11:47] gone from trained as an architect spent twenty years master
[11:50] planning and working at the very very big picture all
[11:53] over North America and currently I've kind of got the
[11:58] third piece of the puzzle in that I'm involved in
[12:01] the development side in the implementation of these projects these
[12:04] visions S. A. I'm on the tier two several developers
[12:09] in the city including on this project
[12:12] I'm on retainer to ... come morning slant and I
[12:16] don't know if this printer works doesn't come from the
[12:20] east side we on twenty acres plus the woodlot
[12:23] and condor properties ... owns most of the west side
[12:28] and a portion of on the east precinct
[12:33] those two development groups ... are working closely together with
[12:37] the municipality to realize phase one of ... Langstaff
[12:47] this is the master plan that was endorsed in two
[12:49] thousand nine
[12:51] we had about a 2 year planning process
[12:54] the the market has had a reputation for ... really
[12:58] is one of the leaders that embrace very early on
[13:02] the principles of new urbanism and you don't hear a
[13:04] lot about minimalism anymore because for the most part over
[13:07] twenty years it's become part of the planning part of
[13:10] lancets what we we already know what it is now
[13:13] we've we've adopted that we know that the creation of
[13:17] ... open spaces and ... compact development is the future
[13:26] again it was around 100 acres this project
[13:29] and if you look at the the master plan I'll
[13:33] probably one thing really ... graphically jumps out and that
[13:38] the vision that Peter Calthorpe from San Francisco who we
[13:42] hired for this job he is one of the leading
[13:44] urbanist master planners in America ... his friend Hans up
[13:50] was to introduce a central green open space bond that
[13:55] connects the property from west to east from young to
[13:59] Bayview
[14:02] probably the strongest idea and the boldest idea in this
[14:06] master plan
[14:08] is to in fact a race away the bisecting the
[14:12] property east of west precincts by going over the goal
[14:15] line with the infrastructure of roads and open space to
[14:20] effectively disappear the goal line now as many of you
[14:22] know the goal line is not simply a passenger ...
[14:27] line is actually also free line so to have it
[14:29] go underneath the the city streets and blocks is essential
[14:35] to create a unified hundred acre ... master planned community
[14:41] the infrastructure costs associated with associated with that are significant
[14:45] and the cost sharing agreements and all things are going
[14:47] to be complicated but it is necessary to to create
[14:51] something I listen to fight it by the goal line
[14:55] for a look at the massing
[14:59] this gives you a kind of a high level massing
[15:02] it has evolved in the ten years since it was
[15:04] the worst I would say if the DFS sites this
[15:08] project as shown here was in the neighborhood of let's
[15:12] say six to eight
[15:14] obligating over 10 to 12 now in terms of FSI
[15:18] the the massive shows that
[15:22] as you would expect the highest density would be near
[15:27] the transfer station on young street then it comes down
[15:31] towards that park in the center of the west the
[15:33] second and then it it ... the feathers down comes
[15:38] back up to a high point around the the logical
[15:43] nor self transit connection that has to occur between the
[15:47] proposed ... hop that since you've been ... Langstaff and
[15:53] the underpass that already exists underneath a four seven two
[15:58] that center portion of the links that match point and
[16:03] then at the far east end where you see that
[16:05] with a lot that's ... come morning excellence phase one
[16:10] area where we've got twenty acres and phase one between
[16:13] condor and comm more anxious when we're we're we're putting
[16:18] together ... our proposals are submissions for five thousand units
[16:23] five thousand units is the first increment of the project
[16:28] ... before it triggers the schools and the online
[16:32] I
[16:37] now
[16:39] the
[16:41] Eddie
[16:42] has been involved in Markham center and now Langstaff over
[16:47] the course of his career for twenty years and I
[16:52] had heard that
[16:53] there was a ... a master planned project that started
[16:58] in the eighties embrace many of the new urbanist principles
[17:02] at the time
[17:04] streets blocks where's
[17:07] ... it was called at a park city so he
[17:09] taught me early this year to put together a tour
[17:15] of Manhattan high density projects ... because the fact is
[17:20] working in a green field kind of area and we
[17:24] need to look at something that's actually gone through this
[17:26] entire process from ideation through implementation and to hold the
[17:32] vision any fall for it ... over the course of
[17:36] thirty years and to see something for real that exists
[17:40] and has many of the components that we're grappling with
[17:43] today like urban schools like very very curated significant open
[17:48] spaces hi density towers and sustainable development ... criteria
[17:56] 
[17:58] they're pretty ... also invited near barrow and senior staff
[18:02] to accompany us off on that trip to New York
[18:05] which we did in mid July it was a three
[18:07] day visit
[18:10] ... and we ... looked at Hudson yards which is
[18:14] really the the the latest thinking on high density ...
[18:18] we looked at data Park City which turns out to
[18:21] be almost identical to the blank stuff in terms of
[18:25] the master plan it's a hundred acres the density is
[18:30] high but in fact it Lang stuff were even higher
[18:33] than that of Park City
[18:36] 
[18:39] this is a comparison on the top is the plan
[18:44] of Vatican City
[18:47] now below that key is blank staff ... they're both
[18:51] hundred acres ...
[18:54] actor the number of units you better Park City they
[18:59] have around a population of twenty thousand and we're anticipating
[19:03] for ... ... Langstaff fifty thousand units are thirty thousand
[19:08] people
[19:10] so it's actually about a third more dense
[19:14] ... the significant if you can see on the monitors
[19:18] the top far right hand corner of the photograph ...
[19:22] talk to the open space
[19:25] and based on my experience over the last couple of
[19:28] decades and as we get more more dense ... and
[19:33] and experiences Tronto
[19:35] ... open space has to be the most important ...
[19:40] ingredients or components in these master plans ... we were
[19:45] living in smaller and smaller condominium spaces so in my
[19:50] opinion ... the office space has to be beautifully curated
[19:54] has to come first
[19:57] and I think that's the latest thing
[19:59] to the degree that I was in New York last
[20:01] week specifically to go into a few a few of
[20:05] the leading landscape architecture firms in America ... the one
[20:09] that I visited Michael van Valkenburgh has done extensive work
[20:13] in front of ... he did the open space the
[20:17] significant open spaces in better Park City which we thought
[20:20] were like remarkable
[20:23] ... pieces of Central Park drop right into a new
[20:26] development okay all that kind of immersive environment and super
[20:31] program to
[20:33] right ... play fields all kinds of things are happening
[20:36] in there in a very very tight compact high density
[20:39] Berman
[20:41] so that's the big takeaway from data park city
[20:47] this is a call to drop park
[20:51] ... we've got in the plan you could see for
[20:54] major development blocks New York ten fifty storey podium is
[20:59] sort of standard practice ... surrounded by you know thirty
[21:04] forty fifty story tower on the same kind of thing
[21:07] we're doing a lank stuff we're doing for the most
[21:09] part six to ten story podium with towers forty fifty
[21:13] stories ... but it's the interior of the block that's
[21:16] so critical and ... this is tear drop park concept
[21:22] ... show you a few slides of that
[21:26] so this is on a tear off up a super
[21:29] high density block
[21:32] not now you see the the lighting on the ground
[21:35] plane of that slide on the left ... what they
[21:38] have on top of the buildings in these buildings are
[21:41] fully loaded up with the latest thinking a sustainability and
[21:44] we'll get into a little bit of that but they
[21:46] have these big reflectors on the roof to reflect sunk
[21:50] down into those quarters I mean they fought back since
[21:54] we
[21:56] the open spaces brown ... unlike any other city that
[22:00] I've ever seen and I think that that the group
[22:03] that went all came to the same conclusion when we
[22:06] compare these different projects like the Hudson yards is almost
[22:10] too much of an entertainment district it doesn't feel like
[22:13] a real place but there's something about battery Park City
[22:16] which is very humble and I think part of it
[22:19] has to do with that they extended the grid of
[22:22] the city into it and they simply made really really
[22:26] well developed open space systems for people
[22:30] and I think it just makes it feel very real
[22:32] like a real place and something that is very translatable
[22:34] today to what we're doing certainly like stuff and I
[22:38] believe we can do the same in Richmond hill
[22:44] ... there's quite a few players for children and all
[22:47] that kind of rock massing in the ... the vegetation
[22:51] that is just one kind of moment better Park City
[22:55] which is very immersive you feel like you're in Central
[22:57] Park in the middle of a a bottom of the
[23:00] new development high density block ... other parts of it
[23:05] have ... all kinds of play areas that have been
[23:09] carefully orchestrated so that there's a wide range of for
[23:14] the most immersive you could get lost in that kind
[23:18] of open space to something that's very specific usable and
[23:22] programs
[23:26] ... one of the biggest issues that we're both going
[23:30] to be dealing with over the next decade
[23:32] and we've spent the last two years on the implementation
[23:36] side now dealing with the issue of urban schools
[23:40] ... everyone here knows about do you know how challenging
[23:44] it is to change the legislation that the policy at
[23:47] the provincial level the firm up the promise knows about
[23:50] this that we're creating cities they they're they're allocating Irving
[23:54] grossly density to these locations it's coming the city of
[23:58] Toronto is currently ... grappling with in block thirty one
[24:03] building really their first urban school of any real consequence
[24:08] is very very dense area in the relevance and yet
[24:12] that school doesn't even have towers on top of it
[24:15] so it's not fully integrated but when you go to
[24:19] Bedford city
[24:20] you'll actually see the mall built out so this is
[24:23] not just a speculation like we've got a basically reduce
[24:27] the five acre site down put play fields on the
[24:31] roof and talk the school into a multi floor podium
[24:37] of a high rise development it actually exists here and
[24:42] so that was significant it helped us to you know
[24:45] ground truth that this exists what's the programming currently condor
[24:50] and ... come wearing a sweater but
[24:53] diving deep into ... the data related to the schools
[24:57] and how they work ... at the end of one
[25:00] axes ... is that large triangle on the top left
[25:05] hand corner and that is a multi level high school
[25:10] but it also has a community center and ... it
[25:12] also has a great skill so it's this kind of
[25:15] overlap program that's the kind of thinking is required to
[25:19] do high density development and you're gonna see that team
[25:22] concept peated here about a Park City
[25:25] ... the to the right side is another public school
[25:30] built in the podium of another ... develop block
[25:34] and then to the right of that again you see
[25:35] a large one hectic or green ... I'll talk a
[25:39] little bit about that on the next slide but that's
[25:42] like a shared amenity space ... that has a number
[25:45] of play fields and so on it happened sort of
[25:48] simultaneously with the community center built into
[25:51] so rather than ever the school has five acres and
[25:55] by the way in Langstaff we were allocated three school
[25:59] one hundred acres that's fifteen acres of the hundred and
[26:02] ninety minus the open space what we've got left to
[26:05] develop we don't have a lot so it's so important
[26:09] that we create these compact repeats cools
[26:13] 
[26:15] you see where that school that's a public schools located
[26:19] on not on the block and below that is ...
[26:24] an eye level view of the entrance and to the
[26:26] right of that is the four story a grade school
[26:31] which has ... if you see the leader line on
[26:34] the top right hand corner that note down between the
[26:37] tower and the podium building that's where the play fields
[26:41] are
[26:42] for that school
[26:48] that left him slide
[26:51] is that one hectare acre area that's devoted to multi
[26:56] use play fields and has a community center tucked under
[27:00] it if you look to the far right hand corner
[27:02] of that image that is the view along that curving
[27:06] kind of perimeter of that block
[27:09] what they've done is that there's a level change from
[27:14] the rate at the street level across the block party
[27:17] folks towers and then it drops one floor and that's
[27:20] where the the play fields of Kerr in that sort
[27:24] of dealt with that date on between the two they
[27:28] talked to community center
[27:30] last week I went for tourists because I just thought
[27:33] what a remarkable way to have it in there without
[27:36] being a standalone building I guess talked in not simply
[27:39] the podium but the lovable local
[27:42] and they have a pool and there're a basketball court
[27:46] ... in a whole host of other ... community functions
[27:51] go underneath the podium and have this glazed wall with
[27:55] full access to
[27:58] and place
[27:59] if you look very closely at the two diamonds circumscribed
[28:03] in there as well actually that plan you'll see a
[28:07] soccer pitch
[28:08] and when you go there
[28:10] ... it is an amazing space that's so activated because
[28:14] what's happening is in one corner you have some kids
[28:18] doing some ... some some soccer in a corner ...
[28:22] they'll have a full baseball game going on on one
[28:25] of the ... diamonds so ... you'll see any number
[28:31] sports happening simultaneously it's an incredibly active place and again
[28:35] it's this notion that shared space shared program this kind
[28:39] of fusion of all these different activities that's city life
[28:44] okay is not segregation of everything that's the old model
[28:47] that's the supermodel you get on a bus to school
[28:50] you get in a car to go to the grocery
[28:52] store everything is compact here for mixed use development ...
[28:58] on the bottom right hand corner are two of the
[29:01] early drawings from like thirty years ago
[29:04] so we're collectively Richmond hill and Markham with these projects
[29:11] at that stage in the bottom right hand corner I
[29:14] mean if I write everyone here to go to New
[29:18] York that's an hour away and to kick the tires
[29:22] I think we all need to collectively like just go
[29:24] there and say Hey this actually exists this is where
[29:27] we're going this is the kind of population we have
[29:30] to have in the city and you know if we're
[29:34] lucky that it's so close for us to look at
[29:38] and if you're doing that as a group let me
[29:39] know because the battery Park City authority we went to
[29:43] New York ... open their doors wide for an entire
[29:46] day they toured as the project ... we did lunch
[29:51] there we have discussions and lectures with the CEO of
[29:55] the battery Park City authority except truck
[29:58] and I suggested to them
[30:01] that why don't we set up a sister city relationship
[30:05] you exist we're in the vision stage and they just
[30:08] like grab that and said yes we want we're so
[30:11] excited first of all Michael that you're interested in us
[30:15] they just want the doors open I just made a
[30:17] cold call
[30:19] ... and ... now we got this ongoing relationship with
[30:23] someone last week were texting and emailing and sending its
[30:26] content constantly ... so
[30:31] finally this is the last slide
[30:34] ... we talked about master planning we talk about development
[30:39] and now we talk about architecture specific buildings and the
[30:44] hallmark of this development ... para park city ... and
[30:49] by the way any better for city it's just the
[30:51] landfill right it's a tabula rasa it is a huge
[30:55] deal effectively that's another reason why it's so applicable to
[30:58] us their start they started from now until the second
[31:02] in 30 years
[31:05] all from an architectural point of view
[31:08] the mandate early on
[31:11] thirty years ago to do super sustainable towers this was
[31:15] even before the lead kind of initiatives even existed the
[31:19] very first LEED platinum building America is the solar building
[31:25] which is the building in the middle and that building
[31:28] ... we got a tour of that building we went
[31:31] up and down we looked at the grey water ...
[31:33] solar all the various things that they've got built into
[31:36] that project ... diagram will left comes from The New
[31:40] York Times where they start to detail out this is
[31:44] a an article from like fifteen years ago
[31:47] of what was happening in battery Park City and they
[31:50] have led the way in terms of sustainability in architecture
[31:54] so from every point of view we feel like we've
[31:57] got a sister city to help us to get where
[31:59] we're going and I think you know the idea that
[32:03] the the the sum is greater than the parts
[32:07] is something that we embraced when Scarpetta invited
[32:12] and Richmond hill New York
[32:16] thank you for the work together I think we can
[32:18] realize a great ... regional center in the GTA
[32:24] thank you for your time
[32:26] thank you
[32:34] Mister mayor maybe another questions for Mister Moore C. R.
[32:38] we wanted to carry on with that ... urban strategies
[32:41] at this time ...
[32:44] more about
[32:45] ... understanding what is across the road from us yeah
[32:48] that was the intention is one given opportunity because it
[32:52] is a fairly significant developments ... adjacent to Richmond house
[32:56] of that if there was any
[32:58] any area resources here with regard to like stuff that
[33:05] is it recognizing the I could speak okay thank you
[33:07] very much I appreciate it very much about that China
[33:11] we look beyond our borders because after all ... I
[33:16] catch a term that's what we have going on this
[33:19] in many ways and forms and shapes up it's not
[33:22] so much about the land stuff to say because initially
[33:25] I do have a question you know reporter well Richmond
[33:28] hill centre why are we are looking at ... ...
[33:33] ... the land softly we will honor her for months
[33:36] ... the mayor off ma come school friend for many
[33:39] years and many times and also regional concert you jobs
[33:43] ... but I understand David B. connection no doubt also
[33:47] it's not so much about on the ... glanced off
[33:52] gateway per se but ... perhaps a Mister may offer
[33:55] stuff at some point in time during the call ...
[33:58] whole presentation of this trust me
[34:02] does not showing the boundaries of which will center unless
[34:07] I missed it I went through the ... package very
[34:11] carefully last night ... at some point probably helpful so
[34:13] to see how those connection would be and after I
[34:16] do appreciate the percent of the chair on the first
[34:20] line is showing all those almost venia linkage along highway
[34:25] seven so I think it's important that you have the
[34:28] ponderous I'm not so much on your presentation so ...
[34:31] but the boundaries of the Richmond hill centre jobs employment
[34:36] at the company thank you so thank you very much
[34:39] yeah this was a this was this press this slide
[34:41] I created like J. as a Markham centric slide right
[34:46] that's that's what I was trying to play even on
[34:48] that site if you start to really look at it
[34:50] close at five realign the four seven translates the way
[34:53] I think it should be which is parallel in four
[34:55] seven in my opinion ... so there there are some
[34:59] editorial pieces to that but agreed and I actually have
[35:02] spent about two years ... working on Richmond hill and
[35:07] Langstaff together in a comprehensive vision that spans from Vaughn
[35:11] to Cornell with regional council Jim Jones a lecturer in
[35:15] Siemens
[35:17] in two years studying the undergrounding of the hydro corridor
[35:20] which is something for another conversation so I'm very familiar
[35:24] with what's going on I've looked at the urban strategies
[35:28] plan for two years at the time I admired it
[35:31] but I think there's one issue which is that hard
[35:32] to corner which is something that you know needs to
[35:35] be looked at carefully wouldn't it be nice if you
[35:38] could underground to me that's the front door of Richmond
[35:41] hill as it should be on happy seven
[35:44] thank you thank you thank you Mr chairman
[35:49] one more
[35:51] I thank you thanks very much for a presentation that
[35:54] was really exciting and I think you know it it
[35:56] really speaks to the kind of ... you know new
[35:59] types of ... cities that are we're learning from past
[36:02] experience are becoming more and more and more livable and
[36:05] I think you know that this is a a probably
[36:07] a very relevant discussions for us as we embark on
[36:10] this I I just have one question ... so ...
[36:15] I get the idea of creating this place that's a
[36:19] livable community and I and I'm totally I think that's
[36:22] crucial ... when when you talk to families thought that
[36:26] one of the top
[36:28] couple of things that they say when they talk about
[36:31] livable communities is a well there's good schools in the
[36:34] area I want to live there ... so I was
[36:36] very interested to hear about the urban school idea and
[36:39] I I do understand that the reason that we make
[36:42] schools as compact as we possibly can although as a
[36:47] as a as a parent who's just seen their child
[36:50] just graduate from the school system and also as a
[36:52] teacher in my way past life ... I am not
[36:55] an expert beyond that context but I do understand some
[36:59] of the questions that parents would be asking about urban
[37:02] schools ... so it you know and I also I
[37:05] will also say a preface my comment that you know
[37:08] the schools are not the municipality's Bailey wick although they're
[37:11] one of the very important partners in the process so
[37:13] in that battery park ... city
[37:17] can you do you are you aware of that of
[37:19] the that process that went through with regard to speaking
[37:23] to people about who our educational focused about the functionality
[37:27] of those spaces with regard to like child development
[37:31] I mean when things about New York is that the
[37:33] urban school model has always been there okay yeah so
[37:36] there are there throughout
[37:38] Manhattan urban schools everywhere right even early on in the
[37:43] ... initial master plan like Toronto schools are kind of
[37:46] in the neighborhoods right used to have to walk to
[37:49] school this is within your neighborhood ... it was only
[37:52] with the car that everything got it kind of pushed
[37:55] out right ... so it is a back to the
[37:57] future model and ... we're now that we've kind of
[38:01] done the the the big picture pass at the Park
[38:05] City
[38:06] the next step is to drill down and that's what
[38:09] we're doing like as of yesterday we had a conference
[38:11] call with them about urban schools and we're we're making
[38:14] a presentation in Markham about urban schools and specifically turns
[38:19] out that I showed you just a few they're six
[38:21] schools there and some of them are sharing like in
[38:25] high school there's two ... under several others I didn't
[38:28] realise myself that there were six end the best school
[38:32] in Manhattan is there
[38:34] okay so okay I I and I understand you that's
[38:37] what's so nice is we can talk to them and
[38:39] they can tell us more and the backstory and how
[38:42] it works and what doesn't work actually I suspected that
[38:45] some sort of similar models of urban schools will be
[38:48] relevant to us as we move forward on our side
[38:50] of the highway seventy two but I guess the only
[38:53] thing I I'd I'd like to be convinced and learn
[38:55] more about this are there are there urban schools currently
[38:59] operating in in in this area now I I I
[39:02] just want to make one comment I'm not talking about
[39:06] the neighborhood schools that are in Toronto because those schools
[39:10] aren't traditional schools in fact some of them are in
[39:12] very historic buildings that have a playground maybe not as
[39:16] big as our suburban playgrounds but it is a traditional
[39:19] model of what you're talking about in urban schools ...
[39:22] is not yes I think there may be this is
[39:25] one of the things we're doing by the way on
[39:27] the open space system for lines such as we are
[39:30] revisiting
[39:31] in part because
[39:34] Calthorpe when you did the master plan he put a
[39:36] bunch of stickers found down at the end if you
[39:39] I. concert set urban school or in school or in
[39:41] school but it didn't have a park and it didn't
[39:43] have the five acres and then have anything sent something
[39:46] we're stuck with the problem and if you look at
[39:48] this why was caution you about the way you write
[39:50] your secondary plan secondary plant was sold like over prescriptive
[39:56] and had a lot to do with just an experience
[39:57] I think right this is all new okay so getting
[40:00] back to the question are you can you point me
[40:02] to an urban school
[40:04] apple intron we've actually done a couple studies we we
[40:06] retain sass architects and they've they've done a study for
[40:09] us ... and one box thirty one is one that's
[40:13] currently under construction if you go by on the ...
[40:16] Gardner you can see it down and the prevalence and
[40:18] there's like buildings all the way around tall fifty storey
[40:22] towers in the center there's like a a probably a
[40:26] four acre park and then a four acre parcel adjacent
[40:29] to it and have like a three story ... school
[40:34] with playing fields on the roof ... I don't know
[40:38] the specifics as to whether or not they have a
[40:40] play field at the ground plane I do not think
[40:43] so right you know what I do want to go
[40:44] too much further so now we have lots of other
[40:46] stuff to do so that we study I would direct
[40:48] comment to our staff and please I would like to
[40:50] get some information on that I'm sure you guys know
[40:53] this stuff so I would like to be made aware
[40:56] of it as soon as possible thank thank you this
[40:58] is very exciting forget all this is done we're going
[41:01] to the community two yeah okay thank you
[41:04] all right urban strategies
[41:07] user of preemptive
[41:09] good morning Mr flickers through two or start can I
[41:13] ask a question just before we start what is the
[41:16] acreage
[41:19] right right seventy hectares is there ... Richmond hill side
[41:22] of third row center and I'd have to convert ask
[41:26] someone to convert that for me too that's okay figure
[41:28] that out ourselves the other aspect was ... our boundary
[41:33] are eastern boundary is not all the way over to
[41:35] Bayview either that's correct okay I just since record just
[41:39] following up that there to school
[41:42] you take a look at it the trauma context one
[41:44] would be north twelve collegiate which is actually integrated with
[41:47] condominium developments on top ... and then the second is
[41:50] located in the same slow St Lawrence neighbourhood it's a
[41:53] school built into the bottom of a of a housing
[41:55] development and then the dentals ... that Michael showed they
[41:59] share the space out front it's a park on weekends
[42:02] and after hours in the school playground during the week
[42:05] they're great examples and the TVS we would be able
[42:07] to sort of give you feedback or give your team
[42:10] back on okay all right thank you okay again for
[42:14] having us my name is Li Ming graph I'm a
[42:16] senior associate planner with urban strategies ... and my colleague
[42:20] Craig many partners urban strategies and will be providing an
[42:23] update about the secondary plan study that site that's currently
[42:27] underway
[42:28] focusing on ... what we've heard so far and where
[42:30] we are in a process right now
[42:33] skipper that agenda just as a refresher in terms of
[42:36] the process we have a five phase ... a scope
[42:39] of work which we started back in April of this
[42:41] year and we spoke to lots of different people early
[42:44] on in phase one and we collected a lot of
[42:46] different information ... from a range of stakeholders from city
[42:50] staff the young subway team MTO schools school boards I
[42:53] ... hydro landowners the whole raft of stakeholders as you
[42:57] enter into process like this and that helped us to
[43:00] come up to speed with what's changed ... since the
[43:02] ten years that you naturally started planning for the Richmond
[43:05] hill centre and ... and then through phase two we
[43:08] came up with a range of different white papers from
[43:11] non background studies from urban strategies as well as all
[43:13] of our sub consultants as well and brought back information
[43:16] and a study intro kind of a kickoff envisioning events
[43:19] to the public ... in June of this year ...
[43:22] which was a fantastic event which I'll touch on in
[43:24] a couple of slides and we're here in phase three
[43:27] about halfway through and we're looking in this phase of
[43:30] testing new concepts and designs and taking all of that
[43:32] information that we gathered from the stakeholders the public will
[43:35] be here with you in the past and synthesizing those
[43:38] findings into a draft principles and draft vision and starting
[43:42] to work on one of the component parts to the
[43:44] center what is that the new vision and plan for
[43:47] the center I will take this information ... a version
[43:50] of what we're presenting to you today to the public
[43:52] on October seventh and then go back and look at
[43:55] it emerged emerging preferred option which we plan to bring
[43:58] back out to the public in the winter of twenty
[44:00] twenty and following up phases four and five I was
[44:03] draft recommendations and then the secondary plan itself
[44:09] so I touched on the open house briefly ... and
[44:11] this was an event at the end of June where
[44:13] we had a fantastic turnout figures over two hundred people
[44:16] that came out to hear about the center and I
[44:19] just wanted to emphasize that this was you know the
[44:21] beginning of our real public facing engagement ... part of
[44:25] the process I mean gauge it with many people about
[44:28] their priorities for the center about their interests and their
[44:31] visions and opinions for the center which helped us ...
[44:35] intern to find the draft vision and principles that will
[44:37] bring forward to you today for discussion
[44:41] no ... this slide summarizes both have a high level
[44:46] ... pieces of information that we gathered not only from
[44:48] the public but from stakeholders tack trying to be efficient
[44:51] aside time here's a lot of information on the slide
[44:54] but what I wanted to kind of enhanced to you
[44:57] is those those ... those broad things that we heard
[45:00] that we've really taken on ... in our process and
[45:03] I want to repeat some of those things we've already
[45:05] talked about today which is holding this and that we
[45:08] heard from yourselves from tack from the public for many
[45:11] stakeholders but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity
[45:14] and we've really taken that to heart as we continue
[45:16] to move the process ahead we've heard a lot about
[45:19] this needs to be more than a place just about
[45:21] transit needs to be a complete community a place where
[45:24] people are coming to work and play and ... engage
[45:27] with with each other and it's also pleased to think
[45:30] big and really importantly a place where new ways of
[45:33] doing things are going to be required and we've already
[45:35] heard that from Michael and we're gonna hear it a
[45:37] couple of times myself and Craig but this is this
[45:40] is a great opportunity to break out of the traditional
[45:43] forms of development and start to think about not only
[45:47] innovative ways of building you know
[45:50] the buildings themselves but the actual process the delivery the
[45:53] implementation will require partnerships and creativity and we heard a
[45:57] lot of feedback ... around topics specific areas which are
[46:01] also important to us ... and have helped define the
[46:04] vision
[46:05] we heard a lot about how people want to get
[46:07] around so first unheard about transit but we heard about
[46:09] walking with her about cycling of course we also heard
[46:11] about cars so how can you design a place that
[46:14] ... can still accommodate vehicles but not be defined by
[46:16] them
[46:18] and we heard about what kind of uses people wanna
[46:20] see we saw an emphasis on employment and really taking
[46:23] advantage of this critical place in the GTA to enhance
[46:26] the employment offering in Richmond hill and that this should
[46:29] also be a place for retail and entertainment are pleased
[46:32] with vibrancy for twenty four hour usage for living working
[46:35] and playing
[46:36] and we heard a lot about what buildings should be
[46:38] like and we heard about high quality design ... the
[46:42] need for excellent open spaces the need for transition into
[46:45] existing communities in terms of built form and how do
[46:48] you accommodate new growths in a way that ... ...
[46:51] fits with and satisfies the existing community that surrounded
[46:55] we heard about accommodating buildings to design families ... site
[46:59] to support families and seniors and a range of different
[47:02] types of users so that speaks to amenities which leads
[47:04] into the next topic Kerry were heard a lot about
[47:06] which is open space and I think Michael's quite right
[47:09] to say that open space and how you define those
[47:12] open spaces is really at the forefront of thinking about
[47:15] how these new urban communities function in a way that
[47:17] can support people and become places where people love to
[47:20] be so those spaces that are both urban and provide
[47:24] opportunities for ... and enriched enlivened environment but also relaxing
[47:28] nature focused environment as well so that that person should
[47:31] really contribute to the identity of this place and be
[47:34] at the center of its character
[47:38] so with all of that information that we gathered ...
[47:41] we've come up with a draft vision that which I
[47:44] will describe ... and emphasizing the draft piece of this
[47:48] and the graphics on the side I think it's really
[47:50] critical ... the position of Richmond hill centre its geographic
[47:54] position in the region is its distinguishing
[47:58] character the the fact that it is at the center
[48:01] of the centers and to put it in a way
[48:03] that Craig described it in conversation to me there's a
[48:06] constellation of stars and yours shines the brightest it is
[48:10] I am in a relationship to the under other centers
[48:12] that is unparalleled with the other girl centers in the
[48:15] region not only do you have the north south access
[48:17] down to downtown Toronto but the future of the GTA
[48:20] is growth will be on the East West access as
[48:23] we're looking at thirty years forty years in the future
[48:26] it's going to be that second ... arc of growth
[48:29] it's going to be so critical so in terms of
[48:32] language you know we're looking at this being a new
[48:34] urban community M. and employment health plan point in having
[48:37] a focus ... of ... at the new wave of
[48:39] growth in the GTA walkable lively urban environments that can
[48:43] draw people to work live and play
[48:48] so from a vision that we distill some principles and
[48:50] you're all structuring elements that we use in a secondary
[48:53] plan process to help us ... kind of communicate with
[48:56] stakeholders in the community that we're establishing a framework that
[49:00] will then the informer ideas and be the backbone to
[49:03] any of the options that we come forward with so
[49:05] they're six principles ... that we have drafted thus far
[49:09] and I'll take you through them one by one and
[49:12] hit on some of the highlights the first principles that
[49:14] there should be a place for people to work live
[49:17] and have fun and I think this really emphasizes what
[49:19] we've heard that this should be a place that's not
[49:21] just a transit hub not just a high density residential
[49:24] neighborhood he needs to play to be a place that's
[49:27] transit integrated that's vibrant that has a range of different
[49:30] job opportunities residential opportunities and diversity in terms of its
[49:34] use ... this is spoken to in the policy direction
[49:36] as well but we really wanted to emphasize that that
[49:39] that that the ... to the character of the place
[49:42] needs to be mixed at its heart
[49:45] the second principle has to do with high quality design
[49:48] and ... we heard a lot from people about how
[49:51] the police would feel I think there's a real strong
[49:53] desire for high quality architecture not just in terms of
[49:56] looking at beautiful buildings but how did those buildings create
[50:00] places and that's really what can drive and attracts people
[50:03] to live here and to work here is that sense
[50:05] of a place that when you come to Richmond hill
[50:07] centre in your mind's eye you shouldn't see a subway
[50:10] station or go station or bus terminal you should see
[50:13] the place beyond that so ... the principle here is
[50:16] around placemaking and high quality design ... and around that
[50:19] is efficient use of land so with all the transit
[50:21] infrastructure that's coming along with this place how can we
[50:25] ensure that high quality design and great placemaking occurs in
[50:29] amongst the kind of heavy infrastructure that's necessary in terms
[50:32] of bus terminal to rail or subway infrastructure whatever it
[50:34] may be high quality design needs to be at the
[50:37] forefront
[50:39] the third principle is about inclusivity and that it should
[50:42] be a place to accommodate all people we've talked a
[50:44] little bit about schools are ready today and that said
[50:47] the principle here should be that Richmond hill should be
[50:49] desirable inclusive for people of all ages and have the
[50:52] opportunity to accommodate those folks in a range of different
[50:55] households and have a community services to serve all of
[50:58] those different populations and that will require some of the
[51:01] creative thinking and that we've talked about already
[51:06] the fourth principle is around movement so it should be
[51:09] a place for people to walk bike and take transit
[51:12] ... right and emphasize the pedestrian oriented nature of urban
[51:15] center with the finest grains network of streets Sir creating
[51:19] a network that not only defines building blocks but also
[51:22] how people move around and that it can now integrate
[51:25] with its existing surroundings transit facilities and that seamless integration
[51:30] of development with transit and ... and recognition that we
[51:34] need to be able to accommodate cars but not in
[51:36] a way that's going to define or ... ... disrupt
[51:39] the quality of overall place
[51:43] the fifths principle is about sustainability I mean in this
[51:46] day and age ... climate change discussions around climate change
[51:49] a very active in real and not as we know
[51:52] that cities will continue to grow and intensify sustainable environmentally
[51:56] responsible growth needs to be at the forefront of how
[51:58] we define our places I need to be part of
[52:01] the expectations around how growth occurs so that the development
[52:04] of the center will take a comprehensive approach to sustainability
[52:08] not just in terms of building systems but looking at
[52:10] the master planned scale as well so infrastructure planning urban
[52:14] design architecture open space design there's lots of different ways
[52:17] to get it sustainability we want to make sure that's
[52:20] embedded in the plan as it's created
[52:24] and finally ... the six principal is around innovation and
[52:28] technology and has two elements to it ... I think
[52:31] there's a lot of current conversations around smart technology smart
[52:33] cities I want regional center to be future focused and
[52:37] prepared for how technology makes me ... ... influence how
[52:41] our cities are evolving and want to be able to
[52:43] leverage that and ... health creator so ... enable the
[52:48] city to ... adapts to technology as advanced as it
[52:51] advances but the piece of this principle that I think
[52:54] is even more important is that innovation in terms of
[52:56] decision making in terms of implementation in terms of collaboration
[53:00] so requiring innovation in our thinking about how we deliver
[53:04] ... urban planning as we're thinking about it here today
[53:08] and I think it's this kind of collaboration and this
[53:10] kind of ... ... communication with all the stakeholders involved
[53:15] to create this place that can make us the international
[53:18] showpiece just as Michael's giving us an example of battery
[53:21] Park City should not thirty years from now someone come
[53:24] to you and say how did you do it so
[53:27] I think its innovation that's going to be at the
[53:28] heart of making that possible
[53:34] right thanks a lot Lee ... what I'm gonna do
[53:36] is I think as we mentioned word of point in
[53:39] the process right now where we're developing a series of
[53:42] different options and ideas and really trying to refine those
[53:44] and understand how they land ... in the in the
[53:47] place I'm gonna talk about ten key ideas and he
[53:50] certainly aren't all of them ... for the center a
[53:53] number of which flow either you are captured directly within
[53:56] the principles are or flow right out of the principals
[53:59] at it leaves just described
[54:04] so the first and I think perhaps one of the
[54:06] most fundamental that key ideas here is really making sure
[54:10] that this place develops as an important place of employment
[54:13] one of the things we heard is that people don't
[54:16] want this just to be another sort of high density
[54:18] enclave at the end of the subway line where people
[54:21] in the morning they get on the subway they go
[54:23] back down it is so strategically positioned within the greater
[54:27] Toronto area that this actually should be a place where
[54:30] we are focusing our employment and you know in discussions
[54:34] people refer to this as well could this be the
[54:36] Canary Wharf and what Canary Wharf was to city ...
[54:39] in London the way it helped to sort of provide
[54:42] a different type of employment offer an accommodation and shift
[54:46] the gravity ... within ... the greater London area a
[54:49] terms of employment ... I think if you think about
[54:53] this in terms of closer to home and what you
[54:55] see coming forward on east harbor this is a project
[54:58] we're currently involved with in downtown Toronto which is looking
[55:01] at somewhere around ten million square feet of new office
[55:04] and retail development it has a sort of similar characteristics
[55:08] that's a development that is able to take place because
[55:11] of the transit investment which is is converging there if
[55:14] I was to say one thing about that project in
[55:17] comparison to Richmond hill is it that project is taking
[55:20] place in employment area and therefore it is strictly in
[55:23] employment place and I think Richmond hill has the ability
[55:27] to sort of went out that by being actually a
[55:30] truly mixed use integrated residential and employment place and we
[55:34] know from the geography of employment across the greater Toronto
[55:37] area and beyond the top ten players and employees are
[55:42] actually grabbing gravitating to those places that aren't just solely
[55:46] employment but actually provide that critical mix of living and
[55:49] working in entertainment ... and so I think this is
[55:52] a real strategic advantage for research center
[55:55] and I can just do it from here
[55:58] ... as we mentioned we've heard really strongly that this
[56:02] place just shouldn't be recognized as being a transit hub
[56:06] it should be recognized as being a great place that
[56:08] yes happens to be supported by excellent transit connectivity and
[56:13] doing so means that we need to set out how
[56:16] we integrate new development and a mix of uses a
[56:19] very carefully with transit that is a tricky thing to
[56:23] do I won't kid you about it but it's certainly
[56:25] possible and I think there's great examples of it what
[56:28] you see on your screens here this is a CIBC
[56:31] square it's a project that we've been involved with from
[56:34] the start and what was really important or interesting to
[56:37] note about it is there's a fourteen day bus terminal
[56:40] integrated into the base of that that building and that
[56:42] building plugs into Union Station around it and development to
[56:45] the north and it actually has a a park that
[56:47] spans over the rail corridor on it ... which I'll
[56:50] get to in a little bit to get that to
[56:52] work it took the agency Metrolinx and Ivanho Cambridge the
[56:56] developer to really work together on designing that piece of
[57:00] infrastructure to make sure it can support that development and
[57:03] it took that commitment and what that says is we
[57:05] have to keep our eye on these concepts as they
[57:08] come forward for the subway in the transit terminal and
[57:11] really sort of have a keen focus on making sure
[57:13] that they're designed in a way that help to support
[57:15] development over the longer term
[57:21] ... Michael touched on the hydro corridor I think we've
[57:24] heard a lot about the hydro corridor if we are
[57:26] actually thinking long term about this I think most people
[57:30] would agree it's not a desirable condition to have a
[57:32] hydro corridor running along the south side of the center
[57:37] ... we have been in discussions with hydro to try
[57:40] to figure out what is and isn't possible I think
[57:43] it's fair to say that whatever happens will be expensive
[57:47] and sort of complicated but it does appear that there
[57:50] may be the ability to look at bearing the hydro
[57:53] corridor and in doing so actually free up a chunk
[57:57] of land on the south side of garden Avenue which
[58:00] had the potential for new development basically to complete that
[58:04] street and have a street with buildings on both side
[58:06] of it I think that's where we want to go
[58:08] to quite a bit of a complete center what's important
[58:10] at this stage of the game is to signal our
[58:12] intent and desire to do that so that as the
[58:15] market changes as opportunities come that that becomes a possibility
[58:21] I think the other thing is to think about what
[58:22] you do with the land beneath those buried hydro cables
[58:26] because we know we can't do much with it is
[58:28] the potential to create a greenway that stretches from young
[58:31] street in the west in the storm water management pond
[58:34] all the way east of Bayview and the ravine court
[58:37] or they are in the network of trails and parks
[58:39] that are connected to it to actually create a much
[58:41] larger ... civic open space gesture there I think those
[58:44] are some of the ideas that were starting to think
[58:46] about
[58:50] we heard a lot about the importance of design excellence
[58:54] and thinking very strategically about how you deal with high
[58:57] density residential development which is ringed for the most part
[59:01] in stable low rise residential neighborhoods one of the challenges
[59:06] of developing a new center like this is actually making
[59:09] it not look like a single project where you have
[59:12] a lot of buildings that look very similar ... in
[59:15] characteristics so we need to be building and you are
[59:18] planning ways to support design innovation so that what you
[59:22] get are a series of very different distinct but also
[59:25] high quality buildings that together help to create the place
[59:29] I think that's what we like about some of our
[59:31] best cities is that variety that exists there they don't
[59:33] look like a a mega project in there this example
[59:38] which you see here this is a project working on
[59:40] ... it's the redevelopment of the Armistead site located in
[59:44] the annex neighbourhood in Toronto it's called Mirvish village and
[59:47] the approach there has really to be much more flexible
[59:50] about the design so that you have buildings that have
[59:54] a variety of very characteristic at the street level they're
[59:58] much more granular so you'll see on the picture here
[1:00:00] there's pedestrian mews and walkways that break up the block
[1:00:04] there's new classes in open spaces with that are in
[1:00:06] there and I think very important if you're familiar with
[1:00:10] the annex in Toronto you'll know that it's it's quite
[1:00:12] a stable neighborhood this development has carefully thought about massing
[1:00:17] and how it steps itself down to the neighborhood so
[1:00:20] it's not felt as as as it's not felt as
[1:00:23] seven as at any position on the neighborhood but actually
[1:00:27] in new assets what we want to do is we
[1:00:29] want to position the center so that people living in
[1:00:32] those houses actually view it as an extension of their
[1:00:35] neighborhoods and something that they can take advantage of it
[1:00:38] could also provide the opportunity for people as they you
[1:00:41] know get older they want to move or or ...
[1:00:44] you know downsized they have a place right next door
[1:00:47] not only has all those amenities but for the ability
[1:00:50] for them to do that so we got to make
[1:00:51] that connection between ... between the two
[1:00:56] what struck me perhaps the most about this public open
[1:01:00] house that he attended where the number of people that
[1:01:03] came up and said we've no matter what we do
[1:01:06] this has to be an inclusive place I've got ...
[1:01:10] sons or daughters who are just graduating university and they
[1:01:13] can't afford a place to live I'm living in a
[1:01:16] three thousand square foot home and where am I going
[1:01:19] to go when we no longer want to maintain this
[1:01:22] place how are we going to be able to live
[1:01:23] in a place can we stay in our community and
[1:01:26] can Richmond hill centre P. the vehicle to enable us
[1:01:29] to to do that ... so these are really important
[1:01:32] principles we want to embed and we've been working with
[1:01:35] the city of Toronto on developing a guideline it's called
[1:01:37] growing up at it's about growing families in high density
[1:01:41] neighborhoods and what we've learned through that exercise is that
[1:01:45] a lot of the principles that make good family high
[1:01:47] density housing which relate to the design of the unit
[1:01:51] the design of the buildings and design of the neighborhood
[1:01:53] are also the same sorts of principles that are important
[1:01:57] to support people and their elderly and there's the same
[1:02:01] sort of ... synergy between those two so if we
[1:02:04] just think carefully about how we designed this place we
[1:02:07] think we can set it up to ... embed the
[1:02:09] principles in the planning to help make sure that what
[1:02:11] comes forward is supportive of those obviously we have to
[1:02:14] think about affordable housing and how that gets embedded in
[1:02:17] there as well so that people of all ages all
[1:02:20] incomes have the ability to sort of living here
[1:02:26] one of the things that I think we've really forgotten
[1:02:29] how to do well in North America is great truly
[1:02:33] walkable high density places I think it's that characteristic in
[1:02:38] a lot of the older cities that that we really
[1:02:40] tend to gravitate to and for a lot of reasons
[1:02:43] and including quite frankly economic reasons it's very difficult to
[1:02:47] achieve that ... in the north American context and this
[1:02:51] is something that certainly on our minds because we certainly
[1:02:53] heard a lot about it ... it's not to say
[1:02:56] it's it's impossible though and the example that you have
[1:02:59] on your screen is is one approach that that we
[1:03:01] could actually look at this is the well in Toronto
[1:03:04] and it's a it's a mega project it's over a
[1:03:06] million some odd square feet of retail office and residential
[1:03:09] development but when we did the master plan for this
[1:03:13] the approach taken was to actually take this big development
[1:03:16] and break it up so you see there's a bunch
[1:03:18] of pedestrian connections there's laneways muses interior to this there's
[1:03:23] a gallery ... that connects through it and what that
[1:03:25] does is it has the effect of taking a larger
[1:03:28] block which is a bit more economic and efficient for
[1:03:30] the developer and breaking it up so that for the
[1:03:33] pedestrian on the street they actually view it as a
[1:03:35] series of much smaller developments interestingly though I need this
[1:03:40] project is a single level her single grade actually multiple
[1:03:44] grades but they're all connected below grade so you have
[1:03:47] your servicing your parking and all the stuff that works
[1:03:50] together that's really efficient from a developer's perspective but again
[1:03:54] you're able to do that while achieving what we actually
[1:03:56] want to achieve at grade which is a more fine
[1:03:59] grained pedestrian oriented environment
[1:04:04] we heard a lot about the storm water management pond
[1:04:07] this is a large pond it's at the gateway to
[1:04:09] the center it occupies a significant piece of geography and
[1:04:13] I think you know as we've been digging into this
[1:04:15] it's it's fair to say that doing much with it
[1:04:18] it would be very very complicated there are hydro corridors
[1:04:22] that run over it there is a fortune future for
[1:04:25] seven transit way which is going to sort of cut
[1:04:28] through it and we've discovered that if you touch the
[1:04:30] pond you actually have to put it back in a
[1:04:33] if you do a significant changes to it you have
[1:04:35] to put it back in a bigger way ... and
[1:04:37] so all of that is challenging but that doesn't mean
[1:04:40] we can't think creatively about how this can be used
[1:04:43] as an important asset for Richmond hill center and I
[1:04:46] think there's a great example of this ... on your
[1:04:48] screens here and this is from the Alicante Spain
[1:04:52] this what you're looking at here is actually a storm
[1:04:55] water management pond it's also designed to be a park
[1:04:58] this part of Spain they get significant rainfalls and what
[1:05:02] happens is when when that occurs they get tremendous flooding
[1:05:06] this whole place has been designed to flood right up
[1:05:08] to the top of it and then as the water
[1:05:10] recedes it becomes a park again isn't there an opportunity
[1:05:14] to take a look at the storm water management pond
[1:05:16] which we know is you know a bit of a
[1:05:18] challenging piece to deal with in other terms but actually
[1:05:21] transform it into more than a point but actually amenity
[1:05:25] for the community something that in the fullness of time
[1:05:27] could connect to perhaps that hydro corridor green way link
[1:05:31] back to the river and valley system and create something
[1:05:34] which is much bigger in terms of the asset and
[1:05:37] amenity it provides for that community
[1:05:40] we talked about being forward looking at and thinking about
[1:05:45] that changes that are taking place at one of the
[1:05:47] key ways of doing that is also thinking about how
[1:05:50] buildings adapt you know when I lived in London we
[1:05:53] lived in a place called Bloomsbury and that place where
[1:05:56] I lived in at one point in time was a
[1:05:58] house then it got converted to an office development and
[1:06:02] then it got converted into a series of flats the
[1:06:05] design of the building enabled it to constantly change and
[1:06:08] adapt over hundreds of years and I think we need
[1:06:11] to be thinking about that in Richmond hill centre one
[1:06:13] of the biggest changes that's actually on our doorstep is
[1:06:16] this transition from vehicles that are driven by single drivers
[1:06:19] to a more thana miss vehicle and we know from
[1:06:23] certainly the work that we've been doing with MTO looking
[1:06:26] at this issue ... that there's a number of ways
[1:06:28] that that that could that could play out one of
[1:06:31] which is we need less cars and what we don't
[1:06:34] want to be doing is developing lots of parking structures
[1:06:37] are underground parking that twenty years down the road six
[1:06:41] they're empty and we have no way of re purposing
[1:06:44] those so I think this is a great example for
[1:06:46] Miami it was on one of the earlier slides it's
[1:06:48] a parking deck that has been designed in check intentionally
[1:06:52] to be converted over time to support other sorts of
[1:06:55] uses again it's those type of principles and thinking that
[1:06:58] we can start to a bed in the planning for
[1:07:00] this so that we have a much more flexible buildings
[1:07:03] going forward
[1:07:05] thinking about integration of high tech and smart technologies is
[1:07:09] also a top of mind ... on a lot of
[1:07:11] people's minds these days ... I know we've been talking
[1:07:15] a lot during the sidewalk labs and in downtown Toronto
[1:07:19] ... and really what people are looking for is how
[1:07:23] can you later on technology in a way that makes
[1:07:25] people's lives easier and helps to sort of make the
[1:07:28] city a function better first and foremost I would say
[1:07:32] and we've certainly learned this on sidewalk focus on the
[1:07:35] creation of great places then think about how technology can
[1:07:39] lay and former top of that ... that sort of
[1:07:43] innovation can also apply to how we deliver services and
[1:07:47] so often when we design our cities we designed them
[1:07:50] for the smallest fire truck that you have for the
[1:07:53] smallest garbage truck that you had and that means we
[1:07:55] have streets that are oversized ... here's a great example
[1:07:59] from Stockholm ... this is the vacuum waste systems updating
[1:08:02] to graded through much of their city actually too much
[1:08:04] of the urban centers in Sweden to be honest ...
[1:08:07] and what you do is you put your garbage in
[1:08:10] a you know one of these vacuum wastes ... tubes
[1:08:13] they get sucked to a combined heat and power plant
[1:08:16] they get burned it's extremely clean at the result is
[1:08:21] at an inert material that they put back in the
[1:08:23] roads the heat from that process goes back to the
[1:08:27] community to keep the houses and the electricity generated through
[1:08:30] that provides those houses ... ... with that with clean
[1:08:33] electricity it's a sustainable thing to do it means that
[1:08:37] their cities are more compact you don't have garbage put
[1:08:40] out on the streets every single night you don't have
[1:08:42] garbage trucks rumbling down the streets and SO thinking carefully
[1:08:47] again about how we deliver services in here and what
[1:08:51] the potential might be is also something we're trying to
[1:08:53] abandon this I know inside what we're looking at ...
[1:08:56] below grade at conveyor belts to deliver packages because we
[1:08:59] all on Amazon now and we want that package tomorrow
[1:09:02] and that's for the trucks on the road
[1:09:06] this is the last big idea I want to talk
[1:09:08] about I think it's the first idea that Michael touched
[1:09:11] upon in his presentation ... which is the notion of
[1:09:14] using the space above the rail corridor for new development
[1:09:17] and open space ... the girl quarters a great thing
[1:09:21] it's a tremendous asset it connects you to the rest
[1:09:24] of the region but in the fullness of time what
[1:09:26] it's going to mean is you have two sides of
[1:09:28] Richmond hill centre and that's probably not where you want
[1:09:31] to be over the long term and we know from
[1:09:34] some of the work that we've been doing with Realtek
[1:09:36] parking trauma where these two projects here union part drawn
[1:09:39] CIBC square get what you need to be doing at
[1:09:42] this stage of the game is putting in place the
[1:09:44] policy framework that starts to say what you want to
[1:09:47] have happen over that rail corridor so that you're setting
[1:09:51] expectations it also means putting in place a framework to
[1:09:54] ensure that as bridging decking development
[1:09:58] what have you happens over the corridor it happens in
[1:10:02] a way that integrates into the places around you ...
[1:10:06] so again there's lots of ways that this could come
[1:10:07] forward it could be an open space it could conceivably
[1:10:11] be in open space was with a collection of sort
[1:10:13] of civic buildings in uses around there right at the
[1:10:16] heart of the century we need to define that now
[1:10:21] and we need to them in bed that and the
[1:10:22] planning so you don't end up years down the road
[1:10:25] getting in a little bit of a back and forth
[1:10:26] with that with with C. N. ... Metrolinx of ever
[1:10:29] owns the sort of writes about their ... with what
[1:10:31] that should actually be
[1:10:34] so those are the ten kind of key ideas that
[1:10:36] we wanted to present to you if there is a
[1:10:38] takeaway and and it's funny because of really echoing I
[1:10:41] think a bit what we heard in Michael's presentation that
[1:10:45] we want to get what you get from this is
[1:10:47] the notion of if you want a really bold and
[1:10:50] innovative center we actually have to think creatively about how
[1:10:54] we build it it means thinking differently about how we
[1:10:57] deal with infrastructure like rail corridors hydro corridors stormwater management
[1:11:02] ponds thinking differently about how we integrate community facilities or
[1:11:06] design our buildings and and and deal with some of
[1:11:09] those issues or even thinking creatively about how we deal
[1:11:12] with new technologies in Baghdad in and I think by
[1:11:16] doing that it will actually enable you to break out
[1:11:18] of the mold of some of the other centers that
[1:11:20] were seen come forward at the moment can develop something
[1:11:23] which is much more urban and I think much more
[1:11:25] in keeping with the real significant ambitions we hear from
[1:11:29] you and from everyone else ... that people have for
[1:11:33] the center
[1:11:34] in terms of next steps and what we'll be doing
[1:11:38] is we're gonna be having attack meeting later on this
[1:11:41] afternoon where we'll be going through these ideas in a
[1:11:44] bit more sorry what kind of ... sorry it at
[1:11:47] that a technical advisory committee ... okay it was a
[1:11:52] big firm around here called tactical
[1:11:56] make sure
[1:11:57] right now to see how you're not owner
[1:12:05] you know and
[1:12:07] with the technical advisory committee and so afternoon will be
[1:12:10] going to these ideas in a bit more detail along
[1:12:13] with a number of other ideas as well ... on
[1:12:17] those all of which is to sort of get feedback
[1:12:19] and start to prepare for an open house which is
[1:12:22] coming in about a week and a half ... which
[1:12:24] were really looking forward to on the seventh we will
[1:12:27] be taking the feedback from that ... and then really
[1:12:30] starting to refine the draft vision and principles and taking
[1:12:34] these emerging ideas and starting to locate them in a
[1:12:37] much more place specific way ... in terms of an
[1:12:40] emerging draft concept and which we then hope to bring
[1:12:44] out ... in the in the new year
[1:12:46] so thank you very much for your time we really
[1:12:48] appreciate that
[1:12:51] ... it is on the top or second and that's
[1:12:54] at seven or seven yeah
[1:12:57] it's open second
[1:13:00] 77
[1:13:02] yes number two yeah exactly ... so when we go
[1:13:05] out into the community are these the type of ...
[1:13:09] slides that they'll be seen ... hi there those principles
[1:13:13] ... though those principles that brought those K. key ideas
[1:13:17] forward I just wonder this is the type of thing
[1:13:20] yes is this going to be ... artists Rawson slides
[1:13:23] ... but also I think we are going to be
[1:13:25] talking about some structuring ideas as well so you know
[1:13:28] for example advocate health care okay have fun with it
[1:13:33] if this was the fourth of what people would be
[1:13:35] seen that's important too things you gotta get it out
[1:13:38] there and second he explained you know what what we're
[1:13:41] trying to do and and even if you've done it
[1:13:43] well with the whole community building process and ... the
[1:13:46] whole idea of ... is not a transit hub and
[1:13:49] it needs to we need to be very flexible and
[1:13:51] many things a lot of the principles that you've talked
[1:13:53] about work I think we kind of covered the last
[1:13:56] time what was the first time we were together ...
[1:13:59] here you know to say this is what we are
[1:14:01] looking to have ... and ... and seeing it more
[1:14:05] and more along with with Michael in the city of
[1:14:08] ... Markham and then other areas like that it's important
[1:14:12] that we ... we keep moving you know what those
[1:14:15] levels
[1:14:17] that you just described it where we should be and
[1:14:20] so I think that's important
[1:14:22] 
[1:14:24] questions comments
[1:14:26] please read the
[1:14:29] consists of it's
[1:14:31] thank you Mr mayor thank you for your for both
[1:14:34] presentations Michael thank you very much ... also to Julie
[1:14:39] and Craig greatly appreciate it and also to our staff
[1:14:42] I would think mita and her staff ... for meeting
[1:14:46] with me and ... making sure that I understand what
[1:14:49] was going to be presented here today it's was the
[1:14:52] meeting we had was exceptional and ... ... I just
[1:14:56] wanted to mention that I truly truly appreciated the discussion
[1:15:00] ... by the way the hectic to a conversion is
[1:15:04] a hundred and seventy three
[1:15:07] I thank god for Google eight hundred seventy three acres
[1:15:10] thank you very much so it's bigger than mark comes
[1:15:17] just say I've got a lot of notes here and
[1:15:19] if I may to you Mr mayor I just want
[1:15:21] to go through them ...
[1:15:24] I I think it was Michael who said that the
[1:15:27] world has changed and indeed it has there's no question
[1:15:29] even in the ten years since we last did out
[1:15:32] our last official plan we see how everything has changed
[1:15:36] and how we have to change in how we think
[1:15:39] and what we believe we need to see that change
[1:15:43] can be difficult and change has a long has a
[1:15:47] long pathway
[1:15:48] and ... our residents especially where I am concerned out
[1:15:53] the abutting residential side and what five to the west
[1:15:56] of young M. has my attention so ... I I
[1:16:02] I love the vision for this and Markham's version as
[1:16:05] well remarkable ... but I do believe what we need
[1:16:08] to make sure when I had this discussion with me
[1:16:12] as well what we need to ensure is that residents
[1:16:15] are of food me within the belief structure we talking
[1:16:20] about decades of development and something that is decades into
[1:16:25] the future so that's not so overwhelming to them ...
[1:16:29] and that's very important and as they begin to understand
[1:16:32] more about where we are going and how we need
[1:16:35] to do it
[1:16:36] that pathway becomes a little bit easier for them to
[1:16:39] grasp I am I love the idea of ... what
[1:16:42] you were saying about him downsizing and your the one
[1:16:46] slide here to me is the most important so how
[1:16:50] M. D. the new development becomes an extension of what
[1:16:55] they're already is and it gives the error the existing
[1:16:59] residents who currently live in those established neighborhoods in ward
[1:17:02] five on the west side I'm talking about that specifically
[1:17:05] the ability to also downsize and go and go perhaps
[1:17:10] from where they are on that side to the other
[1:17:13] side of young as they as they grow in the
[1:17:16] families grow and their properties and have become more valuable
[1:17:21] they can sell them they can then buy something has
[1:17:23] it all M. it's it is a seamless integration and
[1:17:29] I think that's very important and on our
[1:17:32] a residence how citizens need to understand that because otherwise
[1:17:35] when you see as the mayor said holding up those
[1:17:39] at the pictures of those extremely tall both buildings you
[1:17:42] know you have visions of Blade Runner running three hole
[1:17:45] thanks for your mind and that's something we want to
[1:17:47] try and not have so ... I I applaud the
[1:17:52] six principles and ... I I want to thank you
[1:17:56] for your discussion and thought about the storm water management
[1:18:00] pond that exists say whether we spoke about that before
[1:18:03] ... I believe ... in a council west's ... wardrobe
[1:18:08] a pock is is very is significant if you haven't
[1:18:11] visited they you should look at it it's on ...
[1:18:14] male and young better start distant and middle and that
[1:18:19] middle of the the rubble rubble pond was was re
[1:18:24] rehabilitated and restored it exact exactly what you were speaking
[1:18:28] about their that it became a park not just ...
[1:18:32] storm water management pond and the rules I would gene
[1:18:35] hearing of course did an excellent excellent job is so
[1:18:38] if you look at that you that's much smaller of
[1:18:40] course but it that's a very very good example ...
[1:18:43] I know I don't have much time here and
[1:18:47] while we well this is all very exciting and and
[1:18:51] it is but also must be tempered by the knowledge
[1:18:55] that this is all very ... dependent on money I
[1:18:59] mean I just seeing dollar signs flashing in front of
[1:19:02] my eyes and it's not only public money but it's
[1:19:05] private money as well ... and and really what you
[1:19:08] what you see here is that we have the sky
[1:19:10] to develop because you had your so you weren't you
[1:19:14] we also maintained within the specific M. land area the
[1:19:18] only area we really have to develop this guy so
[1:19:21] ... the future vision that I see here is also
[1:19:24] very market driven
[1:19:26] so skews me it will depend on on on the
[1:19:30] market as to how these private land developers at begin
[1:19:34] the begin this construction just to quickly finish hi I
[1:19:38] would like to see the connection between the north south
[1:19:41] connection between like staff and Richmond hill Santa week there
[1:19:45] are residents need to be able to move between each
[1:19:47] other very very friendly and ... I I we're going
[1:19:51] to have a challenge with the courtyard Musa walkability system
[1:19:56] because that that was a that was a concept and
[1:20:01] also part of official plan which was the then downtown
[1:20:05] local and secondary plan which is now been repealed and
[1:20:08] it was those chord charts and muse which created huge
[1:20:11] consternation amongst the landowners so in order for us to
[1:20:14] engage these landowners we need to make sure that they
[1:20:17] are accepting of that as well so I know that
[1:20:19] that'll come in and ... I just again thank you
[1:20:21] very much and I look forward to the October seventh
[1:20:24] ... public at public consultation I will be there because
[1:20:28] you can't
[1:20:29] thank you very much ... Mr mayor and thank you
[1:20:33] on a consultant on the Richmond hill centre presentation also
[1:20:37] Michael always good to know what our neighbors are doing
[1:20:41] all we will be doing ... I asked for to
[1:20:44] have faith showing off the boundary because that what helps
[1:20:49] because opposing earlier I kind of searching for it but
[1:20:52] I don't see it here but I know where it
[1:20:54] is but I think it's helpful all even though that
[1:20:58] ... we all embarking on quite honestly very exciting you
[1:21:02] know like this I just when I'm looking at it
[1:21:05] ... walk before the presentation this is using ... ...
[1:21:11] the term here on parallel I mean for a long
[1:21:14] time not always ... believe strongly believe in that your
[1:21:18] Sims or some evidence now this bridge menu center highway
[1:21:22] seven and young is truly awful seven strategic center of
[1:21:26] GTA
[1:21:28] well young and highly seven is where your business begins
[1:21:33] I mean this is economic development new account of having
[1:21:37] said that ...
[1:21:39] I am very interested in particular one
[1:21:45] the first time I see the word entertainment bring brought
[1:21:49] in here I'm a strong believer that yes not a
[1:21:53] good place to live and work
[1:21:55] plate not meaning just packs you know ... ... although
[1:22:01] this is something we're talking about in fact I like
[1:22:03] to get through you this chair comments from ... the
[1:22:07] consultant ... it might not be the same but ...
[1:22:12] further around the Humber area where the new ... goal
[1:22:17] station if I understand correctly it's going to be totally
[1:22:21] totally funded by private sector I believe there's a company
[1:22:25] called live work learn and play sell through you I'm
[1:22:29] just wonder what kind of concept would you see in
[1:22:32] terms of my call just manageable dollar sign or somehow
[1:22:36] I don't your appendix but having said that ... seeing
[1:22:40] those things are happening around us how do you see
[1:22:44] that could play a part in truly developing strategic center
[1:22:49] of the new GTA for the centrist a cop free
[1:22:53] check up with
[1:22:56] K. ... yeah I think it just took a couple
[1:22:58] thoughts on that we have been thinking very much about
[1:23:01] the play side of it and and the enjoyment which
[1:23:04] involves a number of things it's you know it's retail
[1:23:06] it's entertainment its at restaurants all of that sort of
[1:23:09] works together and I think what we've been doing is
[1:23:12] as we've been re looking at at some of the
[1:23:15] previous thinking has been to ask ourselves well have we
[1:23:18] just been spreading things to to ten ... and do
[1:23:22] we need to be concentrating those activities a little bit
[1:23:25] more thinking about how they relate to things like employment
[1:23:28] the transit hub young street and actually being a lot
[1:23:31] more intentional and where we try to focus or encourage
[1:23:35] ... that sort of activity do occur so that you
[1:23:37] actually do have a critical mass which I think is
[1:23:39] really important for that if you if you are familiar
[1:23:42] with the the foreplay and how they how they work
[1:23:45] what they do is they think about curating these types
[1:23:48] of things and it's about
[1:23:51] yeah well it's about making sure they all work together
[1:23:53] right and so ... part of the thinking and certainly
[1:23:56] discussion this afternoon is can we actually start to focus
[1:24:00] that effort and we're in the correct spots to focus
[1:24:02] six so from a planning perspective we can build that
[1:24:05] into the the policy framework
[1:24:07] okay thank you talk about planning on I'd like to
[1:24:11] I I really enjoy hearing that being converse being inclusive
[1:24:16] and for all ages and concept is a popular ...
[1:24:20] having solved up to look into ... developing office of
[1:24:26] vehicle developing age friendly community now it's better planning component
[1:24:32] so this is a prime opportunity if I look at
[1:24:35] this because we have a plan to get out so
[1:24:39] those kind of age friendly community concept from a planning
[1:24:43] perspective maybe planning commissioner to strut around this is banned
[1:24:47] pension of course of that could be integrated into this
[1:24:52] design for everything so I just want to make a
[1:24:55] note of that Gration up with places all for now
[1:24:59] I want to provide different feedback I caught up from
[1:25:04] what six residents and that's why I mentioned about the
[1:25:08] boundary two times the reason is that I have a
[1:25:13] number of Russian came to me
[1:25:15] they were concerned
[1:25:17] that ... if the future of the world twenty second
[1:25:23] century look what that means some of the
[1:25:27] properties within this area they may be
[1:25:32] expropriated of course the public stretch a bit too much
[1:25:36] for the imagination yes yes yes but but this I'm
[1:25:40] just trying to saying it so that perhaps at the
[1:25:43] second open house this kind of concern could be hit
[1:25:47] head on no we're not doing this this is what
[1:25:50] a boundary is consumed with our aim is for the
[1:25:53] future not to try to take away the existing ...
[1:25:57] property on Griffin the boundary I I'm just saying this
[1:26:00] because this important message to say it an open house
[1:26:04] and I just want to bring to attention because I
[1:26:06] don't seem to see you're capturing it maybe do some
[1:26:10] ... and and I even have people come back they
[1:26:12] say could be ... how could they possibly they could
[1:26:14] develop it reflecting how place love children misconception but it
[1:26:20] to be ... touch on hello I like to focus
[1:26:24] employment as someone who also believe that Richman is good
[1:26:28] place to do business this half all the all the
[1:26:31] right markings the place to be the place for future
[1:26:34] employment so we can attract more traffic when the subway
[1:26:37] is here to go northbound to repair center so look
[1:26:41] forward to the ... October seventh
[1:26:44] exciting thank you will bring the world to us thank
[1:26:47] you
[1:26:48] thank you counselor to pop
[1:26:50] American thank you Mr mayor I thank you for the
[1:26:53] presentation ... you know it's really good useful information that
[1:26:57] as we go forward I I just just have a
[1:26:59] question about ...
[1:27:02] the the the land ownership and ... Markham seem to
[1:27:06] have done a good job working together with the two
[1:27:09] landowners in conjunction with the ... they're they're planning staff
[1:27:14] there were as the music and a plan there's a
[1:27:17] lot of cooperation and going to New York is evidence
[1:27:20] that there was a real group working together now we
[1:27:23] just have one or two landowners private land owners there
[1:27:27] and then ... a lot of
[1:27:30] a lot of provincial agencies that the city itself
[1:27:35] is it
[1:27:37] is it ... is it premature to to plan this
[1:27:40] all and then and then maybe the landowners are not
[1:27:44] and not a not in sync with the timing this
[1:27:47] is not what they want to builder able to builder
[1:27:50] this is that correct consideration I think our process of
[1:27:53] it with the landowners so we've spoken with all the
[1:27:55] landowners through phase one stakeholder interviews but we've also invited
[1:27:58] ... I process with the DG group in particular so
[1:28:01] major landowners Connor DG on the north side ... through
[1:28:05] the process in each phase and ... ... working group
[1:28:07] with them so that were in that reflecting our ideas
[1:28:11] with them as we move forward in the process of
[1:28:13] getting their feedback and can trying to get on the
[1:28:15] same page about what the expectations are for the center
[1:28:17] where they're at in their process where we're going ...
[1:28:20] and I think it's safe to say for as a
[1:28:22] master planning exercise piece of this the city has a
[1:28:25] role to establish its expectations in consultation with the landowners
[1:28:29] and the public of course and when that development comes
[1:28:31] online is when that development comes online but we want
[1:28:34] them to be ... we want our ideas and kind
[1:28:37] of ... positioning about the vision in particular the principles
[1:28:40] to to ... to reflect the ambitions of of all
[1:28:43] the parties involved and I think our process has been
[1:28:45] designed in order to deliver that
[1:28:49] okay thank you this American is that ... to to
[1:28:52] that and at the very outset we had a conversation
[1:28:55] with the with especially DG ... the two to get
[1:28:59] their thoughts and their this is the process that that
[1:29:02] they were encouraging so we're reflecting them there along on
[1:29:06] every step of the way we have meetings with them
[1:29:08] continuously and making sure that we reflect their ideas we
[1:29:12] want to be in lockstep with them at the end
[1:29:14] of the process we want to
[1:29:16] we'll be standing together arm in arm and saying this
[1:29:18] is how we want our city to to develop so
[1:29:20] that's our goal
[1:29:23] okay thank you
[1:29:27] thank you Mr mayor thank you for your presentation ...
[1:29:30] to me this is not only how this is a
[1:29:32] satellite city and ... and we have to have everything
[1:29:36] in their soul I I I love the five principles
[1:29:39] especially we have to prepare for the climate change and
[1:29:43] and technology so ... but looking at a slight I
[1:29:47] wasn't at the ... public consultation because a conflict with
[1:29:50] mine at the fence so ... what's the age group
[1:29:52] of of of of of the two hundred attendees
[1:29:57] it didn't take full demographic information over there but ...
[1:30:00] I would say there's a big range ... I would
[1:30:03] say there were some of the older members of your
[1:30:05] community as well as people with families ... singles younger
[1:30:09] people students yeah there is a broad range of folks
[1:30:13] every day yeah the point I'm trying to make is
[1:30:15] ... you know instead of having people come to the
[1:30:18] open house can we reach out to you ... up
[1:30:20] students because this is like a you know decades
[1:30:25] Bob long project and ... I don't know if I'm
[1:30:29] I can live long enough to see this happen honestly
[1:30:31] and is it is for that **** is for the
[1:30:33] kids and as for the ... the high school and
[1:30:36] university students and they are going to use it you
[1:30:38] can enjoy this so I don't know if we can
[1:30:40] actually you know promoted heavily on that age group so
[1:30:45] that we can get some ideas from them I think
[1:30:48] it would be more more more
[1:30:51] constructive more useful and that just a suggestion ... yeah
[1:30:55] and ... you know we all know how fast the
[1:30:58] world is changing and ... you know we don't know
[1:31:00] what's life out to five G. ... probably by that
[1:31:03] time will be of having automated vehicles and ... and
[1:31:07] all kinds of stuff so well it is it is
[1:31:10] good to have some ideas here but ... I think
[1:31:12] excuse ever changing so yeah that's all my comments thank
[1:31:15] you very much Mr mayor
[1:31:18] thank you ... I've discovered question Sir for comments and
[1:31:22] I would like to make two of them that was
[1:31:24] one of my questions where are the owners and all
[1:31:25] this thank you very much and I think the ...
[1:31:29] internal to their part attack but they
[1:31:32] your tax
[1:31:34] of ... what's happening on a regular basis because I
[1:31:38] think they are ...
[1:31:41] we're we have one on one that's so this is
[1:31:44] a ... it doesn't happen very often so it's not
[1:31:47] make any
[1:31:48] actually what they're included with us and and make sure
[1:31:51] with them that they have to understand where we want
[1:31:53] to be too
[1:31:54] ... no one other thing last in the very beginning
[1:31:57] the boundaries of their show center on the services such
[1:32:00] as the red cedar Avenue that is the right one
[1:32:03] and that is a hole in the thinking hello hi
[1:32:06] tech so I don't know that we're gonna be in
[1:32:08] somebody's backyard but however we may ... the whole idea
[1:32:11] there though is the red cedar is going to be
[1:32:14] a ... exit he crescent except for the flagstaff into
[1:32:22] ... up north
[1:32:24] somewhere along the way if if we can have some
[1:32:27] discussion as to how we can take that traffic and
[1:32:30] directed on highway seven as opposed to up to ...
[1:32:35] I checked where as I always say there's going to
[1:32:38] be two people upset the person who drove in there
[1:32:40] from the playing staff person who lives there it's trying
[1:32:43] to get out of their own community so I think
[1:32:46] we need to look at something like that you've got
[1:32:47] a lot of areas that you've been working on and
[1:32:50] the difference in the in the pond area things like
[1:32:53] that so there's some really innovation think so I think
[1:32:56] we should look at innovation thing somewhere on there somehow
[1:33:00] that's kind of a ball for three different levels of
[1:33:02] government insurance however I just think that could be an
[1:33:06] issue ... and then secondly ... is there any reason
[1:33:11] why we don't
[1:33:13] go further east down to Bayview at all all that
[1:33:16] property as I understand it is the same owner and
[1:33:19] it's all at this point I've commercial retail the whole
[1:33:23] bit so that may be something we don't know how
[1:33:26] we ended up stopping there yeah in the first place
[1:33:28] in the US the boundary of ... initially was to
[1:33:31] find through the urban grow center boundaries that are defined
[1:33:33] in the growth plan so back in two thousand and
[1:33:36] eight that would have been when that fuzzy blob would
[1:33:39] have first come out so that would have been the
[1:33:41] ... the initial where the line was strong ... I
[1:33:44] know that this tattered city is undertaking its official plan
[1:33:47] review process very soon and ... Bayview is a major
[1:33:50] transit station area so there may be through that process
[1:33:54] some changes in terms of the land use but it's
[1:33:56] also something we're happy to speak with our ... client
[1:33:59] team here and the policy colleagues to understand what's happening
[1:34:02] with that process and if there would be other changes
[1:34:04] that we could expect but ... our boundary ... initially
[1:34:07] comes from the urban grow center boundary
[1:34:10] which is changed every urban grow center battery has not
[1:34:13] changed in the updated growth plan
[1:34:16] well it doesn't extend over to preview okay that's interesting
[1:34:22] we have a chance to be different you know I
[1:34:25] don't have a lot of people living in the area
[1:34:27] and they keep moving along from us that's all I
[1:34:30] look at the they would have a
[1:34:32] to me we would have a linear area that will
[1:34:36] not impact neighborhood that's already there ... and then also
[1:34:41] to allow us to create a nother East West ...
[1:34:44] roadway of some to certain
[1:34:47] how do you describe it that would get us get
[1:34:49] us all everywhere we want to be it's no question
[1:34:52] that it feels like a very logical extension
[1:34:55] they have those things once in a logical ones that
[1:34:57] never happened
[1:34:59] since okay
[1:35:01] all right thank you no other comments ... we receiving
[1:35:05] this the presentations from the chance
[1:35:09] second problem all those in favor of polls before we
[1:35:13] do a bylaw to confirm at the very beginning of
[1:35:16] ... the ... the meeting we we were asked about
[1:35:20] what happened so
[1:35:21] putting in a
[1:35:24] what are we referring to it as
[1:35:27] urgency is time sensitive matter
[1:35:32] happy to see it just it started with on this
[1:35:34] basis so we thought it would ever happen to live
[1:35:36] in dealing with the clerk on this and there does
[1:35:39] appear to be a way of doing it ... counselor
[1:35:43] to wanna aligned with what it takes yeah no I
[1:35:47] don't have a motion but it's it's fairly simple I
[1:35:51] want to move under emergency in time sensitive Mister mayor
[1:35:54] that ... we direct staff to engage with the residents
[1:35:58] of Harris and beach ... who have some ... well
[1:36:03] water issues at this time on a on a temporary
[1:36:08] measure that they'd be able to use our community centers
[1:36:12] for bathing until we can resolve this issue or help
[1:36:15] getting just inject water use of water at the community
[1:36:19] center okay
[1:36:21] all right so
[1:36:24] it's a motion we have a motion to for an
[1:36:27] emergency and time sensitive matter
[1:36:30] bring it forward all those in favor of clean up
[1:36:33] for polls Gary Indiana misli the motion is as we
[1:36:40] know Mr Carter we okay with that
[1:36:43] we want to we want to wait and see it
[1:36:45] on screen
[1:36:47] I think it's really simple connection
[1:36:50] yes this direction
[1:36:52] okay ... okay go ahead with all those in favor
[1:36:56] last
[1:36:58] that that's
[1:37:00] image is even doing that ... I I do ...
[1:37:03] thinks that ... there are a number of other questions
[1:37:07] that ... I still have about the the issue that
[1:37:11] we're talking about and that I would I've been dealing
[1:37:13] with staff on this both the I guess the the
[1:37:17] low our local staff and also the ... some of
[1:37:19] York region staff Bacardi Cup public health so I would
[1:37:23] not only encouraged us to do what the motion is
[1:37:27] saying but I also would very much like to see
[1:37:29] us expedite the ability for our staff and the public
[1:37:34] health staff to get these people some answers because I
[1:37:36] think we need to define the that problem in my
[1:37:39] mind at least I I don't understand all of the
[1:37:42] details of the situation and I think that really needs
[1:37:45] to be done so that we can have ... like
[1:37:48] this is a good ... temporary fix but I think
[1:37:51] we need a more permanent ... answer to some of
[1:37:55] these questions in order for us to go forward so
[1:37:58] thank you add to that direction just well I I
[1:38:01] don't I'm not sure that we need I I I'll
[1:38:03] kill out that's a good question I mean do we
[1:38:05] need to speak to formally add that or I I
[1:38:07] suspect from dealing with staff up to this point that
[1:38:10] that is the the message that I've been sending out
[1:38:13] in that I've been hearing back from the staff at
[1:38:15] the working class at the three Miss America we're following
[1:38:20] our protocols for testing and retesting water ... there was
[1:38:25] one adverse sample were retesting that sample to make sure
[1:38:28] it wasn't a contamination ... issues associated with the example
[1:38:32] itself sometimes when you take a sample from the from
[1:38:35] the top there's bacteria that gets in the samples will
[1:38:38] make sure that samples three
[1:38:41] but we are on it we are following our protocols
[1:38:43] and we're out there testing retesting I think it's a
[1:38:46] good suggestion if people are feeling ... on unsafe ...
[1:38:49] then we need to make sure that they have access
[1:38:51] to ... the water that they need okay well I
[1:38:54] mean I don't think it needs to be formalized because
[1:38:56] I think that's where we're headed all right all those
[1:38:59] in favor opposed unanimously thank you a product from the
[1:39:06] proceeds of this council meeting by one twenty seven nineteen
[1:39:10] of the product including channels
[1:39:13] welcome to jerk
[1:39:16] conservative councillor protocols in favor thank you all