morning ladies and gentlemen
welcome to the regional regional council meeting city of Richmond
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and ... at this point time and all will call
meeting to order and ask us to stand for the
national anthem
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thank you
we now have an opportunity for a public forum
5 minutes speakers if not
but they're not on the agenda and anyway
server to come up and
their name name and address please
Ahmadinejad the staff at the Mike
and we have a distributed some information here here comes
on everyone my name is Johnny I live in tool
six Brookside road Richmond hill ... today on behalf of
Yang born in the retina surgeon I'm making the speech
tomorrow the planning department is scheduled to release the life
young boarded up he said in the past the proposed
density value grew six percent
the population that's the way you preschool about the fifty
four thousand people per kilometer wall five hundred forty five
people her attackers
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what the most obvious beauty is often
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page only one job for the city residents where are
we to fifty thousand for the sixteen
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at all okay it's
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okay thank you Sir
thank you
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the agenda
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yes because I'm trying to
your delegate then we have to wait to concern itself
hello my name is merry great and I live a
pretty one rough on crescent between Phil and I have
been here in Richmond hill since nineteen eighty three in
a lot of growth I'm here to represent ... towards
York community choir and we have
are you I'm sorry it's not yes we're trying to
figure out ... you you did you signed up to
speak
nope okay the tax base okay okay fair enough I
guess okay I used to speak in support of the
cultural grant and Richmond hill Mister mayor I know it's
if you could please explain if you're here to speak
about an item that is currently on the agenda you
can speak later this portion I'm sorry Mr that's outside
this person is for members of the audience to speak
to something that is not on the agenda business that
is not in front of us today is the opportunity
for this period the cultural grant is on the it's
on the agenda
you can speak later okay sorry Mr marriages for clarified
so strong that
you can clear
okay
there's no one else wishes to speak that is not
on the agenda
council announcements
west
I thank you Mr mayor I just a couple of
quick things ... I just wanted to give a shout
out to everybody that was able to attend the regional
winter carnival I was R. fifty third sorry fifty second
getting ahead of myself here ... it was the weekend
before last great weather ... we appreciate all the support
that we received from the ... the community and also
from the sponsors thank you very much ... mother nature
didn't give us ice this year but he promised me
that she would have it next year and that's fine
... I would also like to thank the our staff
that they are consistently ... there to support the event
it is a community event but the ... the staff
in Richmond hill is very much supportive of that and
and comes out every year and doesn't excellent job so
commissioner I'd like you to pass that on to the
... public works staff that were there and also ...
like to just mention that on Sunday we had out
in the Bayern mental symposium at the theater I was
able to host that with another community member ... well
attended some good speakers and death I would just point
that I'd like to just highlight there was a really
interesting ... conversation with second harvest that came to is
one of the speakers and it was really incredible the
... this the statistics that the speaker was ... talking
about with regard to food waste and ... I very
much look forward to exploring that a little bit more
... and and having them have a bigger presence in
our community because I it's unbelievable the numbers and it's
not just food waste it's also greenhouse gas emissions and
so on that that that represents so ... it was
it that was in and of itself is a very
interesting moment I I'd like to bring that to the
attention of a wrap my colleagues as well so thank
you
thank you so much
... today just a quick as a food distributor of
matching the engage with second harvest and courage of the
people do second harvest as well ... on January eighth
was a ... incident in Iran where flight seven fifty
two was shot down the culture for those that don't
know ... in that ... just to go a little
history there for those winding hundred seventy six people died
in that incident directly in the on the flight all
those hundred seventy six fifty seven were Canadians not the
of the hundred seventy six hundred thirty eight how to
die rechte Canadian attachment of which at least eighteen had
a direct Richmond hill connection putting many vendors we have
some storage that's not what I'm discussing the culture there
is that the we had a has a a respect
for the incident and forty days after the incident is
when ... another memorials being taking place and we were
going to do another memorial in Richmond hill but we've
decided to work we being the people who worked on
that memorial on the sixteenth ... there's going to be
A. I. and ... engagement at the North York to
look out for that in the last ten square and
I ask if you can't come at least remember because
it was a tragedy and ... it is a solemn
areas so hopefully you keep those ... the souls in
your prayers thank you
if you can supply
thank you Mr mayor and ... I want to make
two announcements one is on February twenty ninth Mr Maher
... the ... city of Richmond hill has challenged the
province in a basketball game ... to raise money for
a local youth basketball organization called play forever I believe
a run by a young gentleman by the name of
Muhammad and the the objective of which is to raise
money so that these ... these children these youth cannot
play basketball and get them some uniforms and shoes and
so on ... we've raised quite a bit of money
so far want to keep that a surprise for the
actual evening ... the basketball game is ... February twenty
ninth at ... Richmond hill high school and ... everybody's
welcome to come in and be a spectator cheer and
cheer for the city and ... secondly ... I'm hosting
a ... skating go party at ... the Richmond green
skate trail the the the very next day ... which
is a March first ... between eleven and one at
the skate trail Richmond ... green and they'll be our
free pancakes and hot chocolate for everybody who attends so
I I hope everybody can come out and enjoy the
day with us thank you Mr thank you
seeing no others ... introduction of emergency time sensitive matters
see any counselor where I have to ... one of
the coming open session the other elected on closed session
for a ... has to with a with a staff
member has to with regards to a ...
I'd like to have a private camera talk about a
situation with a staff member that needs to be done
in camera
okay Virginia to describe what it is when we go
on camera so we need to
57 mera camera certainly if
if ... it at this time he would be a
motion for ... council to decide whether these two items
should be added to the generator to lose one open
session at a conference session close sessions ... if you
said staff members so I can craft the motion the
open session matter please counsel the open source has to
do with on ... January the eleventh we had a
... rain incident that went in January eleven January twelfth
for there's up to fifty millimeters of water that went
through York region had a sewer backup and ... that
affected all the sewage system in Richmond hill and the
back flow went through to number number members of the
community and we want to make sure that people hi
res this last time the councils were brought together will
be propped yet again but ... we have to make
sure your pension ... because ... just warming up to
the what we have to do thank
yeah so the the ... just just in terms of
identifying individuals
yes okay so for the open one we have ...
mover and second ... counselor
hello
4 I'm just calling it the flood okay
and the closed
there's a different vigil
okay so Sir moving this is your second goal of
the yeah okay thank you
the clerk review
we will be dealing with that until we get to
the closed session portion right
as far as providing what it is
as we move on at this point that we get
this right I'm going to go okay
waiting for yes your worship right thank you all the
five major Star City confirmation either from Mr Croker for
you all day service center for any discussion on close
session ...
is it not also requirement that notice be given
prior to the close session
I'm just saying off
caution I know we can do it within the meeting
but at best to be sure that we are living
within the confines of all the ... ... require legislative
and also all final framework
for you perhaps I would direct that to ... I'll
... ... status on a sitter
thank you to Mister Maher ... is there is not
to my knowledge ... any requirements for advance notice ...
specifically or talk about personal matters and matters of identifiable
individuals ... and in the absence of a legislative provision
requiring such notice as long as council considers this a
time sensitive matter it can add it to the agenda
thank you I appreciate that it is good that you
have to assurances ... thank you thank you
okay it is on the screen this one time
this is a 2 time sensitive matter
yes No Way Senate yes go ahead
thank you Mr master you to the mover at as
far as I know ... ... with regards to the
introduction of emergency and time sensitive matter is there a
specific criteria as to why ... emergency instructions in the
matter should be added to the agenda those include legal
and financial so I'd like to ask through you to
the move out can you please explain what the financial
and legal ...
Mattis o'shea on each one well I would I would
like to know if that according to our procedural bylaw
there is a it is a very specific definition
to introduce emergency and time sensitive matter
financial and legal
all right okay for first time since 2
I'm sensor for the one we have people who have
... garbage that needs to be thrown out we have
garbage days every two weeks ... we only have a
certain type of counsel once a month if we wait
until report comes back and forth people are gonna have
garbage I don't think the resins one garbage all throughout
the community that's that's fine so I think that works
with regard to the section where of this also so
chances are the right option the issues that we're we're
involving him we were involved in now
okay spoke to the other okay thank you thank you
all right
this is before us all those in favor of
this motion
up
carries unanimously
all right who will move on to adoption of the
agenda
so now I have those two items added to our
agenda
the motion over in a second ... for adoption of
the agenda ... Jenda has is now
photo consular affairs thank you all those in favor pulls
Kerry thing
disclosures of can interest in the general nature there ...
consular service and follow it right so
thank you Mister may I wish to read the statement
I once again declare an indirect pecuniary and conflict of
interest regarding agenda item thirteen point five the twenty twenty
community and cultural grants program as I did before out
of an abundance of caution as per the munificent years
of a conflict of interest act the NCIA the code
of conduct and as proprietor legal advice due to my
associations or affiliations with the number of the named organizations
seeking public grant money which must be approved or denied
by counsel I have deemed it would be a conflict
of interest for me to participate in any formal discussions
or decisions regarding this particular agenda item I know a
profit from any of those associations and affiliations nor do
I receive any monetary compensation from them what so ever
I am seated ... participate in these organizations in my
identification as a Richmond hill councillor purely on a volunteer
basis and I do such with integrity and honor I
trust my public statement made here today February twelfth would
ensure the protection and sanctity of my oath of office
and the reputation of those organizations to which I am
affiliated thank you
okay
elsewhere west thank you as is my responsibility as a
counselor I will also need to declare a conflict of
interest on it Gend item number thirteen five I am
a volunteer in a leadership position on the volunteer board
of directors of one of the organizations that is on
the list for receiving a grant ... potentially ought to
be abundantly clear ... this is a volunteer position and
there is no direct pecuniary interest because like so many
volunteers I receive no money for my actions in this
position however out of an abundance of caution and to
avoid even the appearance of a conflict ... but more
so out of an abundance of respect for the integrity
of the process of choosing grant recipients I will step
away from voting on this matter
all right
disclosures okay we are now going so you're never going
to adopt at previous council minutes council meeting zero one
twenty held on January twenty second and council public meeting
zero
two twenty held on January twenty second twenty twenty eleven
mover in a second ... for both of those kinds
of questions cancer service
in comments seeing none all those in favor of
identification of items requiring separate discussion items to be discussed
... a phone number
here we have
and this is just a quick ... I think from
the point of view we have two items thirteen three
five is the operating budget
that was brought ... budget council our budget committee sent
here and we also have thirteen twelve which is a
memorandum from ... David dexter director financial and I would
suggest that there are some ...
update and revise recommendations so if we combine these two
together and deal with them is one item okay so
fifteen three five thirteen twelve
we also have ... thirteen for based on the demolition
requests were Jefferson school house
thirteen five being the community and cultural grant program that
we've ...
and then also we have thirteen eight which is Richmond
hill climate change actions
all that is all that I have here unless other
people ... members want to remove items to be discussed
a server errors
I would like to speak to item thirteen point seven
private street naming thank you okay
he has cancer well it is thirteen point three point
five ... excluded from consent
1520
okay
that's that's what I was trying to confirm the thirteen
three five now at twelve I'm sorry ... thirteen for
thirteen for thirteen point four delegation delegation okay for
yes
any other the
for for discussion
seeing none mention I asked her I can I will
read
okay those are
no
okay so those are the items so seven ... wanted
to we've dealt with so thirteen ...
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thank you SO 9
10111314 and 15 are
other ones it's not for discussions or whatever mover and
second for those items
transaction so it's near almonds all those in favor
and honestly Cecil if you were if you were visiting
here today based on I think you're here for all
the ones that we're going to have a discussion on
if you're not in the slightest doubt with councils dealt
with
we have no interest no presentations but we do have
delegations
Mister Palmer shoes
I'll try that again if you recognize that name product
sorry
with
thank you former borough councillors ... I appear here last
January twenty second to advocate for the preservation of the
Jefferson school hours on young street
the historical society's goal was to participate in a discussion
that would lead to a denial of a permit seeking
the demolition of the building and see the beginning of
work leading to the preservation and hopefully restoration of this
historic structure
... I I don't think we need to repeat your
argument here that this building warrants the city's protection
the heritage value of such a structure with well documented
when it received its heritage designation from the town in
nineteen eighty two
and we feel the passage of time has only served
to increase the value our view is that such an
extraordinary connection to our past warrant celebration and certainly not
demolition
now we're aware that discussions have been underway since a
January twenty second council meeting regarding possible options that would
see this building preserved and restored and we know that
the structural condition of the building offers some challenges
we also know however that such challenges can be met
that any number of heritage buildings have been successfully restored
and remain as useful reminders of our past
the society's view is that our goal of preserving the
historical value of the Jefferson school house could be achieved
in a number of ways
the building to the left word is restored for any
number of users
the building could be left on the side or possibly
move somewhat and restored in order to become part of
a larger project
for the building could be relocated to another site and
restored as a stand alone structure or indeed is part
of another larger development
the Historical Society doesn't underestimate the level of commitment
operation that would be required to see the Jefferson school
house preserved
the city investors and contractors would all have to work
together to see any of the option most I've referenced
above come to fruition the result however would be a
very public and a very positive display of our collective
will to see our past celebrated yet contribute to Richmond
hill's ongoing development
the Jefferson school house represents an opportunity for Richmond hill
to be very visible example of a community that values
its past and works hard to make up faster ...
integral part of its present and its future
in closing the Richmond hill Historical Society hoaxes demonstrated their
options but demolition need not be a solution
our goal is the preservation of the Jefferson school house
there are a number of ways to achieve that goal
there are many Richmond hill citizens who applaud that result
please remember when it's gone it's gone forever
thank you very much
thank you
thank you for the suggestions
Mr will help make
Sir
good morning fiftieth members of the city council of my
adopted community actually of the community restrict up to me
and my family your delivery location some weeks ago in
the last council meeting motivated me S. a retired professor
of history to pay a visit to the site it's
always helpful not just to look at papers staff reports
but look at the site
that I can make sure to put two paths that
that the
the first one I looked around the building it is
cropping days no question
it is beautiful in the matching different breaks
all entrapped yellow InStyleTime it is crumbling at the corners
and in fact that's a foundation but it's somewhat tough
job to be done there's no question
I went inside insight is to play in square a
rectangle room which is
so simple that you can see this one room schoolhouse
I could see actually imagine the deaths the L. eighty
test simplicity has its top
that is the third part of my exclusion
I went outside and looked at the property which is
it actually amazing why who's a south of the building
and then across the street and the construction site and
I look back and I'd like to share this with
your
it's from Google I'm not I'm in the nineteenth century
dress and so on thousands with feel good anymore
the what I no Dey sloths what I could see
now yeah I don't have my pen here excuse me
I have to take my column is
I imagine when I stood on the other side
the road to
on the west side of young I could imagine
if the economy gets face enough space I thought he
did calling out in the back
the town houses in the back or even sort of
accountability
and I could see
modern buildings framing six little halls and in contrast to
the reproach of the governed
C. H. whatever
what I DO that this old building doesn't have a
place anymore I thought what is this young generation me
as an old man still have hope for the help
of functions of contest my granddaughter would never agree with
this argument but always say pizza pop to me grandpa
this is grandpa transparency stability
this building has the potential exactly a place not being
moved somewhere else to Richmond green lights at train station
to make to be a living history black black
... not just the fact this was a place Mister
Jefferson it in Basra but for people driving up
on yes did you okay there is a complementary opposite
contrast
and I'm sorry I don't know whether the also also
reflected Sierra but I totally agree my blood pressure was
going up to the state's argument the pamphlet isn't around
anymore this building at eight setting
can be a historical living plaque for the development of
a handed to a village to a town to a
city
this is something we can visualize yep
and I'm saying this because I'm quite encouraged by the
development of the old town hall at the corner of
young and Wright state
... when I started my career of being interested to
what you guys do ... events look at this this
is a lively place today which problem no it's it's
amazing it's vibrating people experience it you can someone come
and meet me there yes well I can meet your
any for somebody not F. I can see in this
little baby coffee house
I can't see some see well I don't know whether
it's economically feasible and how to do it but couple
notes gives an example it's with swipe to preserve the
Jefferson school house it's a place where eight piece thank
you
thank you
okay ... ... thirteen for one council rally U. S.
to speak
thank you Mr mayor and thank you for the delegates
I don't believe there's any one
there wants to see the Jefferson school house
demolished
because as the gentleman solid quickly stated once it's gone
it's gone forever
D. the challenge I have
is that
we have the rights of the city versus the rights
of the property owner
without going into great history I've spent hundreds of hours
in that building
I think it's a magnificent building
I think it should be preserved
the challenges we have is that
how do we as a council
impose
our beliefs on a landowner with his property and his
money
it's very challenging if you put yourself in and the
owner's shoes and say
I'm struggling here I'm paying all these taxes I have
limited use of limited resources
and
maybe that owner doesn't see the value and the historical
building
so
the challenges
I think we all agree let's let's preserve this building
but the powers given to us from the government from
the the province
is that we can say yea or nay to a
demolition
we can't make them fix the building we can't make
them fix it to the standard we want we can't
make them make it accessible to the public
we don't have that kind of power hasn't been bestowed
upon us
so we have to work collaboratively with the owner
as a basic principle I don't think we have the
right
to impose our will
on a property owner
to make him do something against as well
and I say this for all
heritage buildings
the facts are
that we have given three demolition permits to designated heritage
buildings during this term of of office
and ... myself and several members of counts that I've
spoken to have I have not received one
one complaint from the public there was no outcry that
we're destroying our heritage buildings
this one is a special building
I would go against my general principles and say if
there was one building to protect this would be it
but it's never going to be protected by the the
owner
we would have to step in and do something
so before I finish I would like to move a
motion Mister Merrick
that we deny the demolition permit
but that being said
the gentleman made
the same ... recommendations that I would make if we
as a council believe that the residents of Richmond hill
want to preserve this property forever I think number one
it should remain a schoolhouse
for other
any use it as a school house as opposed to
what we did on young street with the old post
office we we bought it we restarted its magnificent it's
a real estate office kinda loses its contacts
so I would like to see the Jefferson school house
be purchased ideally the ultimate is be purchased if it's
the will of the people of Richmond hill
that the city purchased the property enter into agreement with
the owner restore at and turn it back into a
school house now not mainstream school obviously it's just one
little white house but let's say
for example we turned into a school house for an
autistic program for autistic kids
and forever have it there so everybody can enjoy
so Mr Maher I would move that we deny the
demolition permit for the time being and that we referred
this back to staff to enter into negotiations with the
owner to purchase the property restore the property and forever
leave it as a school house
that's my motion Mr
a second please
that's a chance
this one will get a chance to chat
this is
with the message
June 2 yes and this is on the screen
yes course but
thank you Mr mayor ... all right what do you
want to wish to see it on the screen before
you sure I'll wait okay just so we understand
this
yes
it's okay just don't
thank you
the second ... will speak when it's on the board
and then
this is
this is a
status is to
thank
6 to stop
yes
okay and then the comments not lifted the speakers catch
a chance to second thank you
Mister chair
and I appreciate him over for this full
this is an effort to preserve a former Jefferson school
house now ... before makes for a common I'd thought
to move also mentioned some up referring to staff so
that they'll be opportune to come back ... but perhaps
would that be in the view of the ball forward
to capture in
C.
okay please
it would remove it because I hear the word of
referral your for saying to staff to come back I
just like to see the wording there but I certainly
support the
principal and the spirit office
with with a move like a resolute okay
okay
so now I want to say number one I fully
concur with ... I agree a hundred percent of the
first dedicate ... if I can call you GM Mr
president simply
I totally agree if you reverse gone it's gone
I mean when I first moved into Richmond hill I
remember used to be called Falwell and stopped you fall
knocked out power some of you may remember white collar
may not be the best thing you want to look
into in the morning
but I don't know why I still miss it because
it's gone it's gone it with dust weedy wreaths press
sense part of Richmond hill history in fact it might
be called all of us at that time right optional
I'm food for support in preserving in particular in this
case S. already a mention by him over ... so
this opportunity I believe the second dedicate our doctor Blake
talking about yes after these contracts all this perhaps in
the future with as high rise with his tonsils whether
it may be and I think that actor Scott ...
educational of thing full of
the younger generation of young at heart about where we
come from and so that we know the future and
I can send example I always like that
politiker setting
Gibson house on young street and populate with what a
user now call North York civic centre and they might
have
concourse point of order
right but my point is
the use of a kitchen housed they maintain that given
house and opened it as say some kind of educational
display purposes so for that purpose I'm support that this
could be turned into as a public or see it
be something up booting it back to of all original
purpose and dad of opportunity come back to console we
can deliberate gait so I ... I support that a
particularly looking at page fifty one of your report this
is precisely the spirit all three did not in this
decision of the heritage committee so I'm happy to support
it and thank you all for the motion ... to
... by the way which are local councillor you should
add a name to
thank you
so much
good day this so
I have a party it'll put into school
I have a I have a group that was put
into a school
we visited the site
we have met with a number of stakeholders
clearing the owner
I would say you further what we wanna do is
you want to try to preserve this to me to
school yup me the H. fax system something else for
those that want to give an example of that this
is possible
because the situation in this type of rendering it obsolete
possible
this motion would not do that I don't think that
we should when we have people in our community hi
hi love the romanticism of
but expect the school boarder private school to go in
there is going to cost a lot of money
and I would like to have money for water and
sewer so people don't have the sewer back up into
their homes are like people have garbage pickup and everything
elsewhere in the state already here in Richmond hill we
have budget constraints when we have a party that is
willing to protect the school the heritage the look and
make it work without spending two to four million dollars
of taxpayers money I guess a two that we have
a housing affordability we have a gridlock we have high
taxation here I think that the resources I love I
absolutely want to take a schoolhouse
I think that this is a very important I think
... the majority of council will likely agree with us
I think when you listen to the advice of the
stake holders including the
Historical Society of saying what their objectives are one two
three
this one to 3 is nice
but we cannot keep purchasing and go beyond our scope
we have to look at priorities as a basic level
government we can't just keep spending and doing things based
upon a wish not a need we have dozens if
not hundreds of families today who are in harm's way
because they are under stress because they have sewage in
their basements
that to me health and safety takes precedence over a
wish of owning a building that we can't operate
spent two billion dollars the candid post building for someone
else to do is nice but I don't believe it's
value to what our job is here although I very
much would like agree with that I think that the
cost of doing this when we have other options that
we know when we have people willing to do a
school and for those that ... I have engagements with
some people in the audience and outside to move that
school will likely crumble it to move it off site
to move it on young street to move those wires
about three hundred thousand dollars so it's for us to
say we want to convert this to go back to
give staff the responsibility to go in and negotiate to
purchase a site to be used for something that's not
going to add value when we have other options that
we can say let's work with stakeholders to preserve our
history to keep the architecture to embrace it where it's
going to be a showcase even the picture that was
shown by the ... by one of the delegates shows
that was people go by it gets lost well we
can actually enhance it and give you guys a visual
you guys haven't seen that this is possible
maybe
this motion will kill that so I think it's great
that we all say we want to cater to a
select few that one romanticism I'd rather focus on great
governance do what's right for the history of the site
... and go from there but also by the will
of counsel and we'll go from there but I think
this would be a mistake so I would say to
that I would like to add an amendment if I
can if maybe if you'd like to move it move
as a friendly amendment
as opposed to give the direction to stuff to say
that go and ... as it says here the feasibility
of purchasing the Jefferson school house which would absolutely destroy
any possibility of any private investment whatsoever going into this
I would say I would like to say go back
to stuff and engage as we already have because that
was the motion last council meeting when we engage with
staff on options for the site we had a working
community this motion would not do that so I'd like
to ask mover says that being gauge back with staff
to look at all options as for the delegation of
historical societies three options as their preferred not exclusively saying
that the city is going to purchase this building
so this doesn't happen
yeah
we were filming an invigilator wonderful individual touches I'm asking
what you're doing last month ...
okay yes we can add something
thank you Mister Merrett so just just to be clear
... with councillor Munch is asking is that we don't
restrict it to just the purchase of the property that
we look at other options
the I'm happy to I'm happy to make the amendments
so that you know go along to get along
please I want everybody understand that
we have been trying for years to work with this
property owner that design came from him
... does that other iterations of how we can incorporate
the school house into a bigger project these are all
wonderful options my fear is this
that if we do nothing if we don't act on
one of the options and I'm happy to make the
amendment ... that house is going to crumble and when
it hits the ground in a pile of rubble it's
over we have to do something so I don't want
to just push this off into the future with with
no action so I'm happy to add Mr Clark
that
the manager of real estate
and staff be directed
to contact the owners of it as well as at
the end as well as to ... investigate options to
build I don't even know how you would word it
I mean
to preserve
options to develop the set that's always available for the
owner and for anybody to go in and buy it
another option is to preserve the schoolhouse
all right
Chad I just want to say yes or no answer
at this point yes indisputable preserving the actor for the
schoolhouse
Tania 25 seconds
okay
I still have
4 speakers
all wrapped up with change the ref
okay there is
okay
okay this comes with emotion all right cancer west
okay so were this differently minutes or on the main
motion right
we're not talking about the amendment no
okay thank you okay so I I there are no
I mean I have agreed with a number of things
have been said I've disagreed with the details of some
of the things have been said but I think I
the first thing that I think we're also saying is
that we do need to protect this property it is
abundantly clear to me that ... any great city that
you can think of in the world has one of
the reasons it's great is because it has all these
unique ... interesting and probably historic prop property is that
it is ... preserved and if I mean I'm all
go down the list I'm sure you have a list
... you know I've also been to seminars that you
know there's three or four things that you do when
you create a great city and one of them is
preserve your your uniqueness and your historic building so I
think that's clear and I think we're all singing from
the same song sheet on that which is great ...
the the the whole idea of in my mind from
anything I've learned that is the only way that we're
really going to be able to save heritage buildings realistically
is to have them be able to be repurposed and
be reincorporated into something else and I think that is
by far with a question in my mind the number
one way to go and Mr Blakey ... you did
mention that cover notes that stop good example in Richmond
hill but if you go down to Toronto there's many
examples where an old building comes something new and it
becomes a part of something new as well and I
think that's absolutely the formula that that's proven to be
a winner
so
I think that the the problem I have two problems
with this motion and it's only on see that I
have the problem I don't think that ... we can't
afford is a municipality to be buying any ... carriage
building that needs to be bought and nor do I
think we should it's not a good value for the
taxpayer because
in a situation like this ... that the old building
will become a profitable venture for something new it's it's
you know and the onus is on the owners unfortunately
to them in the body with a historic building on
it the onus is on that the ... owner to
deal with the property the way it is and if
there was a ravine in the middle of the property
they would have restrictions on what you could build in
the routine if there's a historic building there's a good
possibility that there will be restrictions on what you can
do because they start building the builders and developers are
creative people and they can come up with creative designs
I that's one example that comes to mind showed I've
seen that actually and I think it shows that it
is possible if we restrict this also to being a
school house that goes against what I just said because
you are freezing not only the building in time but
you're also for using the use and that building they
don't have one room schoolhouses anymore I mean that that
that ... the model of education is long since gone
and ... so allowing that school has to be calm
whatever the market wants it to be calm is really
important and if if we restrict what it can be
we're really defeating the purpose of all of the stuff
and frankly I believe were probably destined to fail in
the situation ... hi I would be able to support
see if we took out the part about looking at
the feasibility of purchasing this the school has because I
just don't think that's the answer ... I think the
answer is in my mind is fairly simple we deny
the permit application the demolition permit application which is in
B. and ... we say to the owner and it
will continue probably I would assume to say to the
owner that we'll do everything we can to help that
building be incorporated into some other conceptual design and you
know will it be easy no but it will it
could happen I've seen this happen in my world with
thirty five right street we had ... demolition application that
we work with the owner now we have this design
we're gonna incorporate the ... the end dean one of
the Indian family homes into the lobby of this new
development that's going to happen and it actually looks really
great I I'm quite pleased with that design so ...
I think that the the way to go about this
is actually very simple ... I think a and B.
are completely valid and I think that's what we should
do I think he would be fine if it if
it didn't include the bother bothering to go down the
rabbit hole of ... the feasibility of purchasing it ...
but I would say though that ... you know this
is possible and it's been shown to be possible in
many many situations and I think
regard if we if we have approved a and B.
and not see I would absolutely go to our staff
first thing after this meeting and say you know what
go out there have a meeting with the guy if
you haven't already and I'm sure we have and make
sure we do everything in our power to to get
this done because working together collaboratively is definitely the way
to go here and it is possible so those are
my comments ... when this comes time ... Mr mayor
I'd like a N. B. C. two B. twelve A.
M. B. could be one I guess but a and
B. maybe voted out together let's see separately
all right close the service
thank you Mr mayor thank you too ... the delegates
in order to staff who's worked tirelessly on this that's
true heritage Richmond hill and answered planning ... I agreed
to it to a certain degree with my seat mate
and fellow HRH ... at council a committee member state
councillor David west ...
a a and B. of this motion without question the
permit the demolition permit must be denied and we are
in it we are in the middle of a ticking
clock and that's denial of demo permit must come to
day so there's no question about that ... what I
do find curious is that this this this motion is
very similar to the one that was supposed to say
council a few weeks ago by myself and if I
want I want to I want to draw people's attention
to out of the river the revised it M. agenda
on page six fiftieths one seventy five on page fifty
one of one seventy five when you look at the
main motion as amended moved by the vice chair of
HRH March Andre recommendation one that heritage which were your
committee recommends to counsel that the ... staff report be
received that the demolition be denied that the city creek
place it publishes in the local newspaper and then what
was added day was that the manager of realistic be
directed to contact the landowner to begin discussions to investigate
the feasibility of purchasing the for much of the schoolhouse
... and then there was an E. so when this
came to council a few weeks ago am I I
also I made a motion that day D. should be
changed because should be amended because it was certain restrictions
that we face as a public entity ...
stick to the office today not talk about last counts
me I'm speaking to the motion
okay you are here reciting what okay so when you
go to
fine I'll I will I will discuss that no further
it is in our agenda
M.
so through you Mister mayor I need to go to
a commissioner of planning commission of corn through the discussions
that I have had with you regarding this matter if
you look at sea there there were you explain to
me that there were specific policy this policy mechanisms that
we have to follow in order to in order to
purchase ... this asset as to you Mister may I'd
like commission according to please explain that again to us
because I believe it's germane
three Mister mayor ... the typical policy ... process to
purchase a heritage property would be that we would initiate
the discussions prior to an application for the demolition however
I do understand the intent of council and ... I
think up by having option for paragraph C. in the
resolution reinforces council's intent to the owner and staff understand
... what we can look at and we will be
presenting options with no ... premonition here as to what
the outcome may be ... but certainly purchasing is still
an option whether or not it's a probability remains to
be seen I will certainly look into planning solution if
at all viable
thank you commissioner so just just to confirm to you
Mr mayor you're saying that the wording of C. in
your opinion with regards to policy M. is is ...
is applicables
3 miss Meredith does not cause a sergeant
thank you and I needed to I needed to to
... to make sure about that so I absolutely support
a and B. I do have a problem with C.
I. I feel that as as the council was set
that you buy
by microscope that the use of this back into another
school house well that would be excellent I believe as
well all kinds of of ... initiative should be looked
at once this is purchased and it comes to us
how can we repurpose this how can this be repurposed
by anybody who wishes to come in and and get
the house in in the little house so I can't
support C. as is written I would respectfully suggest to
the mover of the motion and the second act that
perhaps some further discussion be had about that those few
words for the purpose on converting the building back into
a school house be amended to be far more brought
because thank you to be formal board because as it
stands right now I believe we are we are we
are microscope in this and we should not be doing
this as counsel away said it could actually failed because
of that thank you
because the bears
thank you Mr mayor
for those who don't know I I sat for a
number of my first couple terms on heritage Richmond hill
... and and this is not the first time in
this building has has come up ... and if in
fact many years ago with previous councils I suggested
nothing is gonna happen
unless the council buys it nothing will happen no one
else has those deep pockets to just throw good money
away to keep the building alive
counter the Dabo said we're not buying it
how we gonna live up to the scrutiny of the
the taxpayers by spending that kind of money and I
should for those you don't know the property is no
running water the property has no sewer connection
the property doesn't even have appropriate zoning for the current
uses for for years
no foundation for you as a brick building like that
would not have had the day would have built on
the the soil for years we've worked with previous owners
and current owners to look the other way on zoning
matters to allow what ever used could possibly come into
the building to keep the building alive because we all
know
an empty building
deteriorate quicker but the building is being used so for
years and years and years multiple councils have tried with
previous owners and current owners to try to get something
at there has been attempts by previous and current owners
to put applications in
but to no avail because my opinion
when they finally start looking at the financials of the
whole thing
the feasibility dies again
because I've been more than willing over the years two
okay fine we're gonna lose most of the building but
let's rebuild the facade on the new building
let's move the building on the property and none of
those have come to fruition
and and I hate to say this because I I'm
I'm fearful to offend the group that is here
but there's limited public interest
this is being in the papers over the years a
number of times ... I received one phone call
from a resident in my ward and we spoke of
it we spoke of the issues and we left with
the yeah what do we do
we don't at this point seem to have a willing
owner to say look at will spend whatever we got
to spend we get it there hasn't been a a
a a a go fund me or crowd sourcing of
the residents saying well let's see if we can't make
up the difference so the owner can actually preserve it
within a project
well
I have not received a mandate from my residence to
spend taxpayers money
on cleaning up every old historic building
encounters in the past have
and I look at some of those buildings now and
the other great buildings but they're not living up to
their potential and we're struggling now is a council what
do we do with them how do we incorporate them
into future use how do we keep the holding economical
so I'm glad that it's the C. has been taken
out or not taking up what has been separated I
cannot support see in any way shape or form if
there is a ... a private group that wants to
buy the property and restore the whole thing of course
the municipality will bend over backwards to facilitate that
but for us to put our money to it I
I can't support that at all thank you Mr mayor
thank you custody of
he was the mayor and
I'm in full support of ... on preserving the Jefferson
school house so a and B. I don't think anybody
has any problem here's what I'm hearing is it's pretty
obvious that we're on the same page we all want
to be sort of the ... Jefferson schoolhouse in terms
of ... see ... I'm a bit confused about the
motion because we said okay we explore tentative options and
also at the same time we are asking
the feasibility of purchasing it and converting it back to
a schoolhouse so is either like we talking about the
same thing over you with conflict in each other ...
what I'm suggesting to you move a motion is you
know maybe we should
first explore the alternative options to preserve the Jefferson school
house maybe you can act including the feasibility of pursing
the purchasing the former ... schoolhouse or converting it back
into the schoolhouse but but now I'll see is is
is a bit I don't know ... about the residents
here but I'm a bit confused because with every by
it but we also look at different options so I
think we should just look for options if you like
it you can including you know purchasing purchasing the ...
the schoolhouse and converting it back into school house so
is my suggestions the mover marched on to the motion
although it will make ... you know everybody covered because
I I want it that the United need counseling as
well
thank you estimate as Mayacamas and also ... sorry I
also because ... I don't know because we live A.
B. C. here but when I look when when when
I look at the ... the stock recommendations we also
have a B. C. D. U. so we missing a
which is to receive the staff report and E. which
is the ... the supplemental information ... ... provided by
toxic study Kelly to be received so I don't know
if we need to add those in there to make
the motion you know more complete so that's just my
comments thank you Mr mayor yeah
... I have some comments to denote who turned to
the clerk it says be received is that required we're
dealing with it we've got a motion on so desperate
for
all right ... my comments are ... simply I I
I
I'm in favor of C. the way it is ...
because I read into it that we contact the landowner
about the feasibility of purchasing as well as exploring the
alternative options to preserve the Jeff the Jefferson school house
and when we do go back to ... thirteen point
four which is the one that we're dealing with now
our motion the reason we're here today was the motion
said that we deferred it ... to permit consultations on
the future of the Jefferson school so I think we've
captured it all here and I have no problem in
in the supporting this motion
to observe probably
go ahead
thank you Mr mayor so
we've we've heard a lot of comments and
end up what I wanted to say Mr America is
that
if we simply deny the demolition app application and and
don't put a CD in their
everything stays status quo and the status quo sadly is
that that building continues to deteriorate
and when it falls
when it falls
the hardship that the current owner is going through
will not allow him
to restore that building
then more difficult decisions will have to be made again
who's going to pay for the restoration of that building
what will the restoration look like will it be the
old Jefferson schools will we recognize it as the old
jobs schools
and so we have to be very careful how we
cast our votes today because my fear is and my
prediction is
this like many other heritage properties in Richmond hill and
we have a few that are in the radar right
now that are unsafe
M. one they're unsafe we now this council will be
forced with the decision between safety to the community and
preserving heritage
and the liability thank you councilman and the liability that
goes along with it and sadly I believe it's my
opinion that if workforce between the choice of the heritage
versus the safety safety will win
and the staff in the building department may recommend demolition
of the property for public safety and now we enter
into very very complicated legal process
and once we go down that rabbit hole we're not
coming back from the
so
I want to be clear we need to do something
other than just deny and that's why I did see
I don't know if the residents of Richmond hill are
going to back us other than the forty one signature
petition that you presented to us thirty five of which
lived in Richmond hello five which did not thirty six
I think it is ... but other than that we
need the support of the community if we don't have
the support of the community then this council may decide
not to purchase
the other options to explore alternatives really that's not the
mandate of the council or the city those options have
we spoken available counselor munches worked with this landowner I've
worked with this landowner I see members in the audience
who have considered buying this property I won't identify them
to point them out but they wanted to buy this
property you do something like councilman showed everybody but it
didn't work so please let's support this and try to
do something to preserve this because if we don't if
we just deny the application and forget about it
then sadly I think we're going to see a pile
of rubble there in short order those are my comments
Mr mayor thank you okay that is before us we
are going to deal with
a second round of the second round
I was wrapped up so it's a second
certainly go ahead thank you very much you should be
upset thank you Mr mayor and ... thank you ...
... ...
everyone for the input and I listened carefully to ...
... everyone my called saying and I think that I
find it a bit surprising ... somebody use the board
shot ...
confuse all I'm not confused at all all the only
thing that I can see what the reason being is
that please okay okay your comment should be about okay
the motion right the motion before us look yeah that's
what I'm doing Mister mayor less by I'm calling you
from my peers but one thing in common is a
common thing here everyone helping speaking want to preserve it
the V. D. divergence size views all up what to
do with it our necks but what we talk about
we can see is that we are asking staff that's
why stress previously report back to council we are not
saying today go out and purchase it and pay acts
media dollars no look at all options offering stock to
come back and they'll report to council then the decision
is made so to suggest knowledge of whether we after
stepping into only one direction ... I have to be
... respectfully disagree about it does see we pass that
give the mandate to stop to look at all options
now the only restoration ... I half is what it
in fact I would only for the use of schoolhouse
but if the stock will come back I like this
sometimes issues are going to see so I'm stealing some
pop off A. B. C. and I do echo the
same words as the movers saying refer you do nothing
just denying it and I've seen in the past that's
something I'm afraid might happen that that may be too
late to save it thank you recently
okay let's let's move on to the auto sector
okay we are talking about this motion
not not
I think of this motion
what you not each other okay
coach
thank you Mr mayor our question to the commissioner of
planning
we're not private planners
do we have the ability under the municipal act or
the planning act or any act to
preemptively create zoning for a property without an application from
the owner ... do we have the ability to to
market such property to the private sector without the owners
... ability I'm just wondering what is it that we
can do as as admits a power need to explore
options what do you interpret that as meaning
3 Mister Maher
are you Mister bear
I interpret this is looking at all options to preserve
the building without use restrictions I don't I do not
see those words here at this time and ... certainly
to answer the broader question of council's authority ... this
Lister can correct me a council can rezone a property
at any time however that's certainly not the general practice
we we passed comprehensive bylaws or area specific bylaws but
generally not site specific bylaws without a development application for
that individual property by the owner
the three Mister Merrett by denying this it maintains the
protection that it has under the Ontario heritage act
I'd like a bit more ... dialogue on the exploring
alternative options
are we a are we able as a municipality to
waive all fees for applications are we able to waive
development charges so that something could be built here that
can't thus far be financially built here
trying to I'm just trying to for the for the
betterment of residents understand what we can or can't do
it we don't have a willing owner that hasn't put
it a complete application and yet and previous owners haven't
put in complete applications yet to bring it to the
point of counsel being able to approve
some use
three of us to actually we do have an active
development applications on file ... however the owner has chosen
not to pursue the finalization of those applications they've been
in effect for well probably three or four years now
but they have been suspended at the owner's request the
past year or so ... if the option and further
discussions with the owner become but does become issues for
discussion points of discussion we can certainly report that out
and explore the feasibility if that is what it takes
to preserve the building but certainly that will be a
decision of council has soup some date in the future
when we report
so three Mister Maher so were you saying yes we
can waive development charges we can waive application fees we
can
fast track it so to save the building
for clarity Mr Maher three Mister mayor we will explore
any and all options with the owner Mister mayor off
to directed to the CEO that if the commissioners not
able or not willing to answer the question
city manager are we able to waive development charges permit
fees and fast track an application in the spirit of
saving the building
three Mister where there's ... things in there that I'm
not entirely sure if we have to do some research
in terms of making sure it's not going to sing
a specific ... ... developments monetarily however fast tracking is
certainly on the table we can certainly look at ...
how we can affect those changes ... and then put
a package together for this individual if that's if that's
the desire of counsel I I again I specifically can't
say might have to defer that to others a report
back on on the financial incentives we can provide is
generally not allowed but ... ... there certain process things
and timing things we can certainly do to ... ...
... to facilitate a development that incorporates the building
would you be more comfortable going on camera to have
that discussion
because I I I've been here for fourteen years I've
received a number of pieces of advice from current staff
from previous staff when it comes to
what you said bonus
but it now sounds like we're all not knowing or
not wanting to say anything
three American ... it's not a question of not willing
to say it I I simply don't know ... whether
that financial tense can be provided for for up ...
this use I know we can provide ... financial centers
through a convenient community improvement plan such as deferral DC
deferrals and application leaders and so on so it's in
the context of it another process and I'm not exactly
sure where this would fit I'm sure if that's the
desire of cancel we could try to figure something out
... locals lined
thank you Mr mayor
all right the motion
the clerk question too Hey it's me
and then C. 7
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this was three Mister mayor voting on because a and
B. of the main motion councilor Wes cancer chan
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reach a local councillor Perrelli yes cancer Leo
cancer burrows yes reach a local culture to Paula yes
Kilcher munches
barrow yeah
because a and B. of the motion carried unanimously
voting on clause see of the motion council west cancer
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Qalqilia yes culture celebrates
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yeah
reach a local culture to Paula yes reach a local
culture pearly yes Kilcher Verreaux's
cancer chan yes
Corsi of the motion carries only in the entire motion
is carried
thank you
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please
for the plant 130
is the service call
mayors councillors and fellow residents my name is Carrie Tice
I am an engineer and I have been a resident
of Richmond hill for seventeen years I would like to
thank you for the opportunity to speak today about the
very urgent issue of climate change
I have read the staff report on Richmond hills climate
change actions and want to commend the city of Richmond
hill for all the great work they are doing and
continue to do
from this report it is evident that we all agree
that climate change is an urgent issue so I'm not
going to talk about the impacts we're seeing worldwide and
even in our own backyards
I stood in front of you eight months ago in
support of the motion to declare a climate emergency brought
forward by coun Sir David west at that time you
may remember my neighbors and I had just formed the
climate group neighbors for the planet hoping to generate more
public awareness in our community about the climate crisis our
goal is to empower individuals to reduce carbon emissions and
their individual lives in their community and Canada wide
as you are aware we are not the only climate
group in our community there is also the blue dot
drawdown targeting climate change and our news group extinction rebellion
we work closely together with different approaches to tackle this
issue different approaches but we all are all needed to
reach everyone
I would like to briefly summarize what has transpired since
we were here eight months ago
in July last year we held the first climate rally
in Richmond hill
where 50 people attended
two months later in September we held another climate rally
this time two hundred and fifty people attended
people wanted to join us they were concerned about the
climate crisis and wanted to do something but they weren't
sure what they could do
at that point I realized that the climate strikes were
not enough so in October we started holding bi monthly
meetings
we are currently working on three initiatives transportation changing eating
habits and food waste as they are some of the
biggest contributors to carbon emissions
a lot of people with great knowledge and expertise are
devoting their free time because they are worried about the
future we're leaving the next generations
students are also engaged my fifteen year old daughter has
started a climate action committee at her school ten students
came to her first meeting they want their voices heard
and to take their power back and change their future
I'm also hosting a community student climate action group some
students had expressed interest in our meetings I thought they
could benefit by coming together to collaborate and support each
other students from five different schools will be attending our
first students get together this weekend
this will be student led and I'm simply providing a
space for them to meet and of course some snacks
I am impressed by the energy spirit and leadership in
our community the residents of Richmond hill are concerned and
stepping up to do what they can to act on
climate but there is only so much they can do
what I have learned these last eight months is that
individual change is important
community engagement is even more important as it will lead
to bigger change but we will never get the reductions
in carbon emissions that are needed without systematic change
we need change from all levels of government so I
am asking you our elected officials to see the climate
crisis for what it is and add urgency to the
great work you are already doing
the United nation IPCC report says we need to decrease
our emissions by forty five percent from the two thousand
and five levels by twenty thirty and to get to
net zero by twenty fifty
I ask you are we doing enough and quickly enough
to meet these targets thank you
this feature
welcome
joining
the first action on climate change that we need to
take is to have an open and honest conversation about
it I'm relieved that we the people of Richmond hill
are in the process of doing this already so I
welcome this opportunity to acknowledge the staff report that has
been prepared for consideration today since the June eleventh council
meeting when I spoke about why I felt a need
to declare climate emergency I've been involved in several initiatives
in the community in order to help move the conversation
forward I helped organize the Richmond hill welcome to four
model was city councilor to Richmond hill so that he
could talk about his book called burning souls it's a
story about climate change with fictional characters based on real
science last October I prepared a series of community discussions
that was presented over three evenings the sessions will complement
one of one click to aligning climate three oh one
and we're intended to have conversations with people of various
levels of understanding in September I took part in the
climate strike organized by Kerry and spoke about why I
was inspired by Greta sunburst the teenager from Sweden who
spoke at the United Nations at Davos and at the
twenty nineteen international climate conference with so many attending the
strike I was feeling hopeful that our community is ready
to talk about solutions I do feel however that we
need all levels of government to be actively involved to
help us reach even more people the staff report that
has been prepared for the counselors is to give background
and a summary of climate change actions possible at the
municipal level it takes into account the potential economic impact
of climate change as future extreme weather conditions become more
common I am pleased to say that I understand and
appreciate the content in this report because I've been doing
quite a bit of reading about climate change for the
last few years I read books by scientists what psychologist
by communists and I've attended conferences and our mental seminars
and election debates ten years ago there was very little
mention of understanding of the climate crisis and now well
of course we hear it in the
news all the time the wildfires in Ontario and British
Columbia and California Siberia and of course Australia these fires
may not have been literally caused by climate change but
they have certainly been exacerbated by it we're fortunate here
in Richmond hill because we may not have the same
emergency situations as in other parts of the world but
our food sources and way of life will certainly be
affected by it Furthermore this is a problem that we
are partly responsible for because of our use of burning
natural gas and fuel in our everyday life we don't
need to be made to feel guilty though and the
worst thing we can do is start shaming others for
their lifestyle choices the best thing we can do is
decide what solutions we need to work on and get
down to business the staff report on climate change echoes
what we had to drive down Richmond hill drive in
Markham and drawdown Newmarket Aurora have already concluded and that
is that we need to concentrate our efforts on the
three areas that have the greatest carbon footprint one transportation
turnips to home heating and cooling three land choices there
are a hundred things that we could be doing that
several of them were mentioned last Sunday in the climate
change symposium they had to do with food choices and
reducing food waste what we need from regional councils to
help promote these ideas even more in the community some
of us citizens are using our own time and money
to achieve that which would be so much easier if
we had some creative financial backing and some ongoing verbal
acknowledgment I know the council and staff are busy with
so many things on your plate and I appreciate that
you're taking more time on the subject I appreciate the
counselor Perrelli came to a community town hall and purchased
a couple of books on climate change so they could
learn more I appreciate getting to know Richmond hill staff
practically Maria Flores miles flooring press floor Julius Lindsay who
I know are putting their heart and soul into the
resilient regional program outreach and figuring out what we can
do better I look forward to their full community and
energy emissions plan that is being prepared for release in
twenty twenty one
that some of you have taken the effort to purchase
books to learn more I appreciate that we have a
couple of champions on council especially counselor west he's always
open to ideas and will be available to help us
I hope that each of you cancers will reach out
and have discussion in your wards and keep this conversation
going and I look forward to working with you on
additional outreach to the community and truly appreciate that Richard
hell's efforts will be part of the global solution to
climate change in the future excellent
Kathleen wall
hello ... I am representing bluedot Richmond hill reading a
submission by Cheryl do and asking my colleague who regret
she was not able to attend today
we are all aware of the global threats we face
due to climate change well Richmond hell be ready
increased awareness and concern for the climate crisis was evident
during the federal election and Richmond hill is reflected in
the number of environmental groups that have formed over the
past few years and Kerry listed those groups for you
Richmond hill blue dot was established five years ago over
this time we work with the city on a variety
of initiatives providing our group first hand knowledge of the
dedication and expertise of the Richmond hill staff and details
of their environmental programs the report provided by council outlines
much of the excellent work being done as it relates
to climate change and the reduction of greenhouse gases or
GHGs as mentioned in the reports municipalities have direct or
indirect control over sixty percent of Ontario's GHG emissions as
they plan and regulate growth and development along with transportation
systems and networks it stands to reason to prioritize GHGs
and energy since it impacts so many areas of climate
concerns to address climate change it would benefit the municipality
to review their policies on transportation buildings and land use
through a climate plans we noticed that much of the
staff work is ongoing data is being collected conclusions drawn
additional time is required to drive effective policy recommendations it
may be beneficial to have expectations and targets identified over
the short medium and long term wise conclusions are made
it's anticipated that actions will be recommended
leading by example is always favorable and the city should
consider an internal audit if this is not already under
way to see what I'm
Clinton savings can be made at the city level bluedot
suggested staff address some of the limitations are facing especially
as it relates to transportation and being a multi tiered
municipality but there may be others we believe it would
be beneficial to create or strengthen alliances with other York
regional municipalities and the region to address transportation issues as
they relate to emissions is encouraging to see stuff reaching
out to organizations and community groups to capitalize on their
expertise we suggested to be continued and expanded with limited
resources it's important to forge strong alliances in order for
Richmond hill to be a leader cancel me council needs
to provide staff with the leeway to research innovative ideas
to current and upcoming climate concerns they need the opportunity
to access leading edge technology and solutions including those that
can be found with collaborative organizations such as the Ellen
macarthur foundation bluedot has recommended York region participate with this
group and the region is reviewing the feasibility of that
through regional council as you know our neighbours Newmarket Aurora
and Toronto as well as hundreds of other municipalities have
declared a climate emergency the city of Toronto has been
very proactive by adopting many actionable initiatives as you can
see listed and Cheryl submission
business opportunities existing climate solutions found in the building industry
infrastructure clean technology and other mitigating measures often these solutions
find cost savings along the way such as when Richmond
hill changed to LED lighting legislative pharmacy may impose to
ration however funding and grant opportunities from other levels of
government may be contingent on forward thinking initiatives we hope
Christian health that's not who is out on these opportunities
we are all part of the climate change problem we
need to be part of the solution through collective efforts
real change can occur to provide a sustainable healthy environment
this summer in a better position to affect change we
need your support to make this happen as Richmond hill
counselors you've taken an oath of loyalty and honesty deep
blue serve to serve the community server right that citizens
of Richmond help there's no greater responsibility to ensure a
safe and healthy climate
future generations depend on the decisions we make today historically
council has honored the residents through their commitment to protecting
our environment we hope you will continue to honor your
oath to Richmond hill residents recognize the good work that
has been done by staff and set forth a motion
to enhance and build on their initiative for the good
of Richmond hill it is time for real action thank
you
thank you and this is
N. 13.8 so what
I thank you Mr mayor thank you to the delegates
... thank you for all the work collectively the you're
doing your groups ... I do not have to squeeze
this in in five minutes but I wanted to propose
a motion in a minute and I wanted before I
go through each individual detail of that the motion I
want to talk a little bit about the purpose
... I want to the first purpose of the motion
about two
put forward is to reinforce the past work of staff
and endorsed further actions but I also want to kind
of highlight some of the priorities that have been laid
out in this excellent staff in front of us I
don't want the motion to show leadership in our community
and the wider community and I I think in doing
so I think it encourages other groups ... and to
do more things collaboratively ... in Richmond hill
... I think in with climate change there's a million
things we need to do and ... we need to
go you know it they'll be a whole bunch of
people that will be involved in doing those things
I think it's really important that we inventory and measure
our communities greenhouse gas emissions if it can't be measured
it can't be monitored
on a practical level I think that having a good
plan will help us leverage grant funding and that was
actually mentioned a couple of times by the delegates ...
and I think that you know on a also on
a practical level the ... you know reducing the effects
of climate change will help us as a municipality to
deal with our infrastructure so there are some very practical
reasons where I think we need to take action but
I also think I mean most importantly that's the right
thing to do and ... it is it is urgent
whether we call it an emergency or whether we don't
still need to take action I think that's becoming more
and more clear to Mr Clark if I could ask
you to put the motion up on the screen
... I want to go to this really quickly get
it and I'm happy happy to take questions from my
colleagues so part a is simply just to ... knowledge
the appreciate with appreciation they worked staff is taken thus
far I think it's an excellent report and I think
we are doing quite a bit in our community and
I would encourage them and like council to be able
to encourage them to do so
... part B. and all the sub sections deal with
... their star city's corporate climate change framework in our
community emissions and energy plan
one is ... I think it's really important in this
was referenced in the staff report that we look at
a lot of our decisions going forward through a climate
lands almost any decision that we make it mean in
the municipality has some impact on a positive or negative
way on climate change and we need to start incorporating
that in a more formal way in what we do
I really think it's important that we number two that
to take a greenhouse gas inventory for Richmond hill and
I believe that is part of the community and energy
emissions plan but I wanted highlighted here because I think
it's important but on top of that I think we
need to identify targets and time frames for greenhouse ...
gas emission reductions
number three ... I would like to explore our options
incentives to enable homeowners in the building in in the
homeowners for building an energy efficient it's C. retrofits to
conserve energy you save money and reduce greenhouse gas emissions
that is actually happening in that number of municipalities but
when I know for sure is Toronto right now and
they're they're wrapped I've started this program
... I'd like to have ... options to promote private
property resilience and we talked about this at the beginning
of the meeting where I'm you know we've had some
flooding and we're going to continue to have some flooding
so I want to make sure that homeowners have all
of the resources that they they can't to safeguard their
homes
our number five one of the low hanging fruits I
think that we all have right now is the electrification
of our vehicles and I believe that there is an
opportunity to electrify some of the city's fleet as our
gas powered vehicles need to be replaced and also I
think with that comes the ... the need for us
to be talking about getting electric charging stations in as
many places as we can including our own ...
it also in others
I think we also need to impact and enhance the
capacity of our community to implement charter climate change actions
by developing a climate change community outreach to look at
and that's essentially to engage our community and to engage
some of the really good work that's already going on
in the community we have a lot to learn from
each other and I think this is very important ...
on that note a story a number seven we have
a sustainability metrics program which is I believe is a
work winning ... when we first came out but I
believe that there's probably also ... a reason for us
to be thinking about additional incentives that we can give
to builders to make more ... sustainable design features to
support support our climate change mitigation ... I would like
to stick explore the possibility of joining the global covenant
of mayors that was something that David Miller was talking
about it at clean air council meeting that we had
recently and I think there's a lot of learning that
can be had from being in a network like that
and it's just great
minute more Mr mayor I would also like to investigate
... available grant funding because I think that there is
grant funding available and I believe that in the future
there will likely be more so
so just to quickly wrap up ... I do want
to thank staff again for their excellent staff report I
think it's very comprehensive and I really appreciate it so
... this is not all of the important actions that
we're taking in the staff report they have been outlined
there actually are others but I think it's a great
start and I also believe that this motion if passed
will ... allow us to do more in the future
with it it can be added on to so that's
my motion thank you
so it
thank you Mr mayor I'll gladly second this motion and
I want to thank cancel west for all the work
that he does in this regard and the discussions that
I had with him on an ongoing basis are immeasurable
I also want to command ... all the local groups
the three that have stepped forward here today including other
organizations who also present here today who insure that climate
climate change climate emergency discussions are very prevalent in in
whatever they discussed to their ... in their meetings in
the two towards the congregations of women at these organizations
meet a most wanted thank staff the staff report that
was delivered to us is exceptional and ... for policy
from a policy wise discussion it is superb so thank
you very much to all who were involved into the
entire department
there can be no question that there is no greater
existential threat facing humanity and our planet today than a
climate emergency because of everything that climate change is imposing
on us
we as human beings most definitely need to take that
take into account what we do that could be an
exacerbating and dad making a making climate change move even
faster than it should in any normal cycle of of
climate change at the earth has experienced for millennia
we are stewards of this earth and we certainly owe
it to the earth to do that the very least
... I believe that this motion also brings us better
in line with other York regional municipalities and other municipalities
and regions in the greater Toronto Hamilton area M. where
they have also passed similar motions and declared climate emergencies
... it's a pleasure to sit on the cleaning a
council with my two seat makes a concert chan and
council west and we do very good work ... there
was well and with this group M. as we as
we begin to formulate even more ... more programs and
more at to find to find better ways for municipalities
to work ... with
with the residents and to work with staff in order
to effect greater change so ... I think every I
believe that every point in this motion is is is
necessary is germane and ... I want to thank again
councillor west and all the other community organizations for helping
us with this for today thank you
thank you fleur wrote
thank you Mister Merrick
of the last time we approach this conversation
admittedly wasn't aware of all of the initiatives going on
...
the role of member of council is vast there's so
much that we need to know about so it helps
to go out to organizations as the ones that were
mentioned by Liz
and ... I did go out and ... surprisingly I
learned quite a bit
what I learned most Mister Merrett was that
there are things that we can do
not just as individuals but as a council
and I'm committed to doing those things and suggesting to
counsel that we do those things
I'm not prepared to declare climate emergency because
to me that's just words I'd rather have some action
one of the things Mr mayor that I learned at
that meeting were ... and I bought a couple of
books admittedly I haven't read them yet
I haven't had the time
but in speaking with the experts I learned something very
interesting Mister Merrett
that
... my son for example lives in a condominium building
and he said that the you know I I'm concerned
about the environment I think we should transition to electric
vehicles as opposed to gas powered vehicles I said fantastic
ideas so let's buy an electric car he said can't
that I said why is nowhere to charge up my
car and my condo building
I said what do you mean
because I can charge it up neither can the other
six hundred people that live in the building
so
maybe it's a little thing maybe it's a big thing
I don't know but my commitment Mr Maher
to the climate issue is that each and at now
in the building code in the building code is already
been mandated that if you build a town house in
council Barroso correct me because he educated me on this
... if I make a mistake please jump in ...
that in the building code if you build a single
family a semi or town house it's mandated that you
must have one electric charging station infrastructure built at
but not nothing exists for highrise development
so my commitment is and I've spoken to all the
applicants that have applications in right now for any mid
rise or high rise applications that they will not get
my support unless they provide infrastructure for each and every
parking space to have the infrastructure to put in an
electric charging station for the vehicles
because these buildings that are being built we'll be here
for a hundred years
and if they don't have the charging stations now or
the infrastructure for it then it's incumbent upon the building
... corporation that was formed later to retrofit it at
an even higher cost
and we don't need to do that so my commitment
is moving forward every application and I hope my council
colleagues support me when those applications come forward to make
sure that each and every parking space has the infrastructure
for electric vehicles
so ... yes there's a lot of things we can
do these are some of them my question to you
Mr mayor is this these are all wonderful ideas presented
by councillor west
and my question is what will be the impact on
a staff resources for example timing to do this and
do we need to bring this up at a budget
through you know Charmander Pollock to see if we have
the resource because it's it's nice to direct them to
do this but if they don't have the resources that
they can't do it and so I think maybe we're
just putting the cart before the horse to you Mr
mayor to I guess city manager ...
or whoever this would be under
... three Mister maybe I'll refer that to ... ...
commissioner Kwan I I this is the first time since
I don't know exactly what they are ...
what it all entails weather is captured and things that
we are planning on doing or or not so when
the offer that refer that to I'm in the same
position city manager ... it this the first time I
see all of these options and I don't know if
we're already doing them or ... if their process or
and we just need oversight or a confirmation to continue
to do a number of their new initiative so we
have to be cognizant of the time required by staff
in
so if if commissioner quite you're probably at the same
disadvantage but try your best ... three Mister Merrill ...
my observation is that the the certainly the introduction under
paragraph B. talks about community energy and emissions plant so
a lot of these initiatives can be incorporated into that
and those are things that we would have already been
doing such however there are some other things here like
electrification of the of the city fleet and what not
which you know what I would have to defer to
somebody or investigate further so my colleagues as what those
implications would look like and how far we can go
but certainly a lot of these things are are well
under way and I would consider these directives to be
a little more focused on some of the specific issues
in a festival of council we can certainly we will
certainly do our best to investigate them further
thank you Mr man my last ten seconds I'd like
to move an amendment that we added the next Roman
numeral after I. acts because I'm not familiar with what
that is is it acts
X. Hey I got it right ... yesterday if I
got something right I got a treat but I guess
not happen today ... just that acts that ...
a staff be directed to ... as strongly urge all
applicants for medium density and high density to have ...
the infrastructure for electric vehicle charging at each and every
parking space with their applications and then leave the rest
the council will take care of it
so if I spoke too fast Mr Clark
but your speed writer I can see
K. G.
well if it's there sorry I didn't see a counselor
west
just I would recommend it to friends
put in the work change but if you want it
instantly that's not where is the council
which one is which one is it
number 5
installation of electric charging stations in public and private developers
buy
right I'm not offended by putting it in as a
extra
things fall apart
hello at
yeah I just think yeah because I want to be
more specific to the applications for the infrastructure as opposed
to the charging station at south
so 10
thank you
and
differently 5
yeah it's fun friendly J.
I don't want to
just because of the little ones that
for every parking spot
okay
give
is pilot
thank thank you Mister Maher AJ I strongly support the
the motion on the floor I think it's in keeping
with the the ... the added to this council's having
of taking action on on issues that ... you not
not just merely words and statements but to to really
put in some initiatives that are they're going to help
... to solve the problems do our part to take
a leadership role we want to ... make sure all
our buildings use energy as efficient as possible but ...
we also want to discourage others I love the idea
of forcing ...
world with within within the realm of what we can
forcing the applicants to come forward with with ... energy
saving measures with the ... like two vehicle charging stations
... the building code should be changed it's it's we
should also be ... lobbying the provincial government to change
the building quote it's just ridiculous to put into a
high rise building that's going to be there for over
a hundred years and ... not have ... not of
the ability of park electric vehicles overnight it's a small
cost but it's a very important change is needed ...
I support that and and actually a very simple ...
... ... pleased with the staff report and with all
the work that's being done right now I don't I
don't think we're communicating enough to the residents of Richmond
hill of all these different initiatives that are underway I
was surprised to learn that that our staff actually engaged
in a process where every application is rated on it's
on it's a new environment mon pharmacy sustainable ... aspects
they have a number of criteria they have a point
system and and ... is that it's it's taken very
seriously by our staff I think this motion I would
think also west gives users more tools and greater ability
to go even further than they're going today but we
we are doing a good job today we we wanna
be leaders we encourage staff to do more of I'd
like to see more being done I I want to
I'd like to see ... ... environmental summit held here
in in in Richmond hill and there's a lot of
people we could invite in I think we could be
the ones who ... ... your really really bring these
issues out and ... plead with the provincial and federal
governments for the for them to step up their efforts
...
so I I'd like to see that happen
like I said a lot of these initiatives ... good
good job staff ... as far as the the cost
implications of this admissions plan ... you let's let's let's
see what comes forward and how much money the staff
requires because it's money well spent I I've talked to
so many residents in Richmond hill they're concerned about this
their concern for their children and if we have to
allocate some budget dollars to to making a proper functioning
plan than than ... it's it's very reasonable to do
so will have the support of the residence ... to
to go forward so as as a budget cherub I'm
in favor of spending ...
... whatever it takes to to put in an energy
emissions plan that's going to be effective for the city
thank you
thank you customers
thank you Mr mayor I like the way this conversation
is is is going ...
it is curious I was at the ... library conference
... week or two ago and ... movie ... internet
might might childhood friend Katharine Hayhoe what was speaking to
the masses ... and she was speaking from a bit
of her Ted talk which was the V. and I
wanna make sure quarter properly the most important thing you
can do to fight climate change
talk about it and she spoke with one gentleman who
said he had a list of people he'd spoken to
about little simple things
and it was ten thousand some odd people that this
individual is broken too so the the the the conversation
that ... that I had one day with ... I
think was let's get to work I said we need
to speak to we need to you need to we
all need to speak to those that are already in
the choir
because I see although I don't go to them I
see the pictures online from these different seminars and that
and it's good you're all talk to each other but
I don't see many of my neighbors there I don't
see many of the people that we want to get
the message to so
keep doing are you doing ... if I have a
great idea I don't have it right now on how
to get outside of that community to get the other
people in that's what we need to do so
talk about it
I would side of
hours make it a dinner talk at the dining room
table
but the things we can practically do I like the
comment that that one of the speakers made today not
of tacking people's lifestyle choices
but little things simple things
deputy mayor Perrelli picks me up quite often coming to
the office
the small thing but we're saving fuel in one vehicle
and I don't drive so I like it
I'm saving fuel he's not but that the planet is
so there's all kinds of little things you can do
that doesn't seem like a lot that if we can
get that message out to some of our friends and
neighbors
every little bit will make a difference ... I support
this ... this motion in front of us ... going
to staff to examine the following directions seeing what's possible
what's not what we are doing what can we do
... it's a good it's a good start thank you
they give us a chance
thank you for much ... Mister chair and I'd like
to first of all thanks all the dedication three of
you and I'll just touch on very briefly ... but
also particularly ... to my seat mates ... concert Wes
and consular service on this motion yes ... I'm also
... remember off do cleanup partnerships with Joe comprises of
... automate is pull ... elected officials that truck cross
the ... returned and in Ontario Seoul is certainly something
that for inspiring to hear all of not just a
call to supporting it but
community talking about those what's common for action community engagement
leadership our focus on leadership because in addition to leadership
in the community commit look into this console for their
leadership and on that front I just want to share
a number people already mentioned about ... come up with
the greatest innovative measures to seek funding now in addition
to to stop report which is ... really mentioning about
that ... our city is already ... complying with a
lot of the federation campus politics on departments for climate
protection program in school what they did that that day
which is great ... but also if the federation cat
M. as parties it also runs a menace pope green
fund the actually help to support projects that actually would
be using no carbon ... up building ... greet infrastructure
which is some of it is because before me I
looked up to as well as all try to lower
greenhouse emission projects in fact to see different which midfielder
Tom Richmond used to get money from the ATM avocado
green medical fund now the reason I bought brought it
up is that there are opportunities out there to ...
for the city and the stop in applying to some
as I know because federation can miss potter also operate
and run just after management ... ... funding which I
believe our city might have ... apply for and dispatchers
on what basically is ... I believe to be true
that consul west Moshe talking about the metrics related to
us than ability matching up and in fact ... the
recently the ... they also manage but we'd find under
SCM also attribute money my regional calls may know compared
to richer a consular ... they give money to your
region which were part of the development designed a method
for optimizing I want to make sure I say it
right the environmental effects of low impact development and again
green infrastructure features so that the help is that the
money is there we just have to tap into it
often I'm glad that ... regional concert deputy mayor ...
depart talking of booting colt in fact the cleanup partnership
is calling upon of which we have an estimation log
on on terribly difficult but the national political which until
as part of province they have a consultation on going
on now receiving submission until March thirteenth so we have
almost a whole month to make submissions all in all
I'm in full support of this I'm also glad that
the key word on the B. part is in coral
not just this list is not meant to be exhaustive
and I'm glad that regional ... concert properly at all
that number ten to make it I guess somebody caught
ten it's a perfect number so while I like that
to be not only perfect now but expanding the scope
of within the resources we do have and in the
end ... I want to hang up also thanks not
for doing it very comprehensive report and I do agree
I think someone mentioned it as somebody screwed things up
you see different doing it should be more ... I
guess share with the members of the community because for
example on page one thirty for the report police say
the city now after half trial videobull energy systems are
in store the facilities office city we should not how
come you know that which many attribute exercising leadership it
just have to let people know more about so all
in all
all of which you know funding is there for both
the public I mention about the federation can respond as
we medical fund asset management funding but also their private
somebody mention pie Fundacion all there's also one this call
I believe the call the ...
astronomical
embassy
the court T. A. F. ... sorry I brought up
the right wording but thank you they also provide funding
engaging private funders ... and also help with her from
the public so there are endless so to speak on
this matter I saw my typing for support funding opportunity
to stop it this is the time thank you so
so much
today so up here one big loving family we all
love this I'm gonna say to you I am so
frustrated
when we moved up here we are policy people up
here that could be a tangible difference on what we
want to do if we really want to do it
and I said it yesterday in the discussion that we
had the difference between politics and policy so for those
that want politics I hope you're enjoying what you're hearing
because that's what I'm hearing I'm not hearing action
this community right now we have people who have contaminated
water in Richmond hill today
we have people today who have water and sewer back
flow not from their fall from everybody else here says
didn't affect me so when you flush your toilet and
when my neighbor's backyard basement nine inches of it
it's frustrating for me that when we say we want
to help our residents on issues that affect climate change
of which we can make option on here for example
because we were close to your position we are responsible
not by choice but were mandated by the province to
do municipal act
in a in a planning act
some people here say I'm gonna play the politics to
say I don't want change you don't want change we
don't want change either effectiveness will get investment or water
and sewers
it's frustrating we want to reduce parking standards and I've
moved four motions
how many members of council here enacted those motions some
of the people that this council say today yeah I'm
all for this this is great
then they vote about actionable items to would reduce GHG
emissions
shame and frustrating for me sitting here knowing what I
know on this council because it's so busy but giving
the optics and getting hopefully some good press because that's
our focus there so as it relates to this motion
thank you related to this motion talks about this motion
talks about options options options enhancement get back with stuff
money money money money let's go back let's do it
I'm saying that I look forward and I hope you
pay attention folks
because there will be moving motions to affect people who
are affected by climate change by this counts what we
can do tangibly that we can make a difference that
we affect the quality of life of people here this
is about that's going to each other's let's hear some
more reports let's get some feedback absolutely will go through
there are reports there are reports so the car so
let's start with that someone to one if you will
look at the York regional profile and T. A. F.
that's here in front of us and January twenty twenty
reflecting this ... talks about how our emissions in Richmond
hill and what we're doing for example and you look
at the reports to come forward
what we do about it
nothing
so yeah we'll we'll do this I'm hoping a stockist
be an exercise
I'm really hoping that members of council and more importantly
the public in the population as a whole that we
work collaboratively beyond our sphere here to look at the
major issues
because I really do want to make a difference I
want to see tangible results I don't want to hear
a year from now in two years now three years
ago I attended another seminar I engaged here we had
meetings
can we please start having actionable targetable measurable qualified prioritizing
check check check Jennifer a tortured soul Walgreens check check
enter I love the banter
and just saying I love the I love it so
I'm hoping that the people in the audience
can I make in my notes we'll see what the
record is
because it's not about optics for me it's about performance
it's about reaching our objectives and it's hurtful to me
because I'm up generally consider a guy that wants performance
and expectations and deliverables
so there's two types of cysts often as people in
this council's commitment of Herzl state again
I see parents 2 different ways
you want to have chocolate for every lunch breakfast and
dinner I'll give you chocolate
there are other people that give you a balanced diet
it's frustrating when you have people telling you what you
want to hear and hear each of you what you
want to do
and they're not making measurable quantifiable when they have the
opportunity to do so our policy when we're making choices
because of politics of what the optics are
you see the reaction by some of people in council
future when your own thank you
all right
we have this motion before us as this
all those in favor
a post
here is synonymous with
yes all right
find my way through this process
this would be moving to 13 months 5
listed
202020 community
yeah I would like to respectfully ask if we can
go to the community and cultural grant program okay perfect
thank you
we had we had delegations prior to that
so it is 135
okay this is with regard to their twenty twenty community
and cultural grant program that we ... had before us
January twenty second and it was made a move to
this meeting ... and that staff be directed to advise
all potential grant recipients identify in their life that they
should consider attending the meeting to answer any questions of
members of council
and that was moved by concert probably censor
we are on the
the item now
the Jewish mystic occurrence no
it was just so that was an amendment to my
main motion
US so can I bring my main motion back to
the floor
my main motion was that we discontinue the community grant
program
okay and we are forever and we ... yes we've
just to be consistent with the last ten years or
so that I've voted on this
all right fair enough he was in the it was
our motion
my apologies Sir no I talked to today
so the motion is back before us did you push
to move it
the chair right
that's what I just did Sir okay I just put
it back on the floor so we have something to
discuss all right
once there
I know I certainly that's that's what we're the motion
is not approved issuing up twenty twenty community and cultural
grants
I would ... I'll speak for me ... I I
do not believe that this is something that we should
do in our community we have a number of community
groups here we have a number of other cultural groups
here that do met many many programs on behalf of
our residents and bringing us
culture and bringing us up to hold it all kinds
of things in the community that we are all attending
we're all involved in we've all spent a lot of
time and volunteer time on these it is a yes
I understand that ... it is a sixty five thousand
dollar allocation in the budget ... which covers ... some
twenty organizations for outside spinal covers the twenty organizations being
able to ... to provide
as I said the community cultural whatever it may point
of order Mr practice all I'm suggesting thank you for
that ... this should not be
stopped
in order
I think it should not be stopped Mister mayor we
don't have a second ...
a severity
your second I'll second the motion
is that what you're asking me for
so I moved the motion if you're asking me I
can't scream well there is no second or so well
you're the chair you need to petition if anyone could
have second or not there's no reason a second or
so
yeah also okay to start
I've given my
understanding of
why this should not happen however I'm only one person
here so who else is speaking to speak on this
matter
do it
I think it was me I cannot support this motion
... I do not want to repeat ... everything I
said last time I think ... the all these organizations
or their valuable to our community and they're trying to
you know serving ... bills that we aren't we cannot
directly sort of and and and honestly I think you
know if you need any changes like I said last
time ... don't do it this year you know we
can always go back and revise the policy but these
groups they already expect that we have the grant so
... but I cannot support this ... hopefully we have
co counsel support because these groups ... they need the
money they need the money thank you
a surprise
Mister mayor I I I agree with ... councillor Lee
you ... that ... the the groups need the money
I agree with you Mr mayor that the groups do
invaluable work
the the issue that I take with with the program
is that what we're doing Mr mayor is we're taking
residents taxpayers money and we're choosing which not for profit
which charity to give it to
and
most recently Mr mer ... I I did a survey
... city wide survey and that was one of the
questions that I asked
how do the residents of Richmond hill feel about ...
for a council to decide which charitable or not for
profit organizations to give their hard earned tax dollars to
and the overwhelming majority more than two thirds of the
people responded with they didn't approve of council giving ...
that money to not for profits or for culture for
for any other reason really and charitable organizations of their
choosing they believe that it should be something that's done
on an individual basis in each household
N. for example Mr mayor
the and following with the spirit of this motion it
was most recent that the ... for example the Italian
seniors club reached out to cast their barrels been out
long time supporter of the seniors even though he's only
of the sea a Tallien scenes even though he's only
thirteen percent Italian ...
and they needed money
N. Kelso Burroughs did not go to the public purse
he came to me and said ... that PMR probably
what are we gonna do we we need to help
these seniors and I agreed with them
and we went to the
in the industry and we asked for support and private
entities donated five thousand dollars to the Italian seniors quote
and I think that's the type of support we need
to give to our cultural groups so I say this
I will support this motion before us but I say
to all of the groups that are here today please
reach out to your members of council we have the
year of the community and we can help you raise
the funds that you require
I just don't feel comfortable taking taxpayers dollars and directing
it to organizations of my choosing thank you Mr mayor
as a chance
thank you very much
J. getting notices up just on this topic I said
it before and he said a game ... I think
the timing is an issue here and ... if I
get through you Mister chair all right the question not
a commission on community services wherein would decide
potential ... or actual autos were commanded us welcome to
stations would notify all anyone were notified that ... they
could apply for such grants when was the time for
you Mister chaired a commission
... looks like we have somebody that comes coming down
the city okay
... three Mister chair we sent notifications out starting in
July of twenty nineteen of the call for applications was
open the call closed on November first twenty nineteen thank
you I'm certain so all the information I have been
disseminated to all come into organization who might be thinking
about all I have all we have this projection mine
planning for the next year twenty twenty double Sasha of
course right July of twenty nineteen so
now fast forward
9 months later
we are saying to and also they can apply for
amber so people things up all over can I say
should call for a process through the board would warn
peers and that over four months they come up with
an application and then in November and then my understanding
from the people's report we have all stopped as well
as engaging authors ... in the area to make the
judgment I say goals although recommend ones to console to
approve it in a call miss all those timelines and
procedures
from my end I honestly don't feel is fair if
you're looking at those con a logical development timelines nine
months later the groups all it has been a mistake
I'm sorry ... we are not going to find it
the issue of course console the majority can make that
decision but I for one I I I would I
believe comes from you may I mention it if we
want we do thinking about that may eight ... ...
ritual consta purchased mention is not the source for this
kind of funding all let it be known not
so we won't do anything in this July coming twenty
twenty to let people know all by the way come
up with some you know we could put checks for
to commit to a joy to and reach our cultural
life but to tell people nine months after that the
city of Richmond we see interested hearing from you receiving
your app
cation in November and then setting up not just expectation
all I would venture to surmise that some organizations listed
on page ninety three ... on the on on on
on the previous ... meeting January twenty second my already
gone through certain things on promotion not mine too ...
maybe looking back you might not want to offend any
of your resources limited resources before after I got the
money but but presumably that was not something that one
would have thought an applicant I thought all
4 months later application
there's nothing so I have given does come logical development
timelines what I'm trying to illustrate everyone all right I
I would be open to say for twenty twenty and
beyond not to issue any more commit cultural grants but
stop at this point in time in my view is
totally unfair to community organizations that doing something good to
...
we'll make our cities ... cultural life vibrant soul with
respect I cannot support this motion thank you
I'm also pointing
that's nice okay fair enough but maybe
okay
because so much
the data analyst so this plan has really changed the
last fifteen years
it's too bad
it changed from a format of we're gonna help community
members as a government for those that are helping in
the community to show recognition of their efforts and to
support them
to a position now that has become a requirement by
some to fund programs and some of the people that
are coming forwards are not from or in Richmond hill
or have some form of attachment the committee is doing
a good job ... they got lots of choices we
have a much bigger need than we have ... that
are once and I'm sure that all we want to
recognize all the work that our volunteer and outreach organizations
do this ... some that did applies some of didn't
summit will get phone some won't
but
the process has become politicized
the ... amount of money that's given is not given
unanimously across the spectrum it's given to selection groups
that's not the intent of the program
the intent of the program its design is saying we're
going to
a service
not fun assist in the engagement of what those organizations
are doing to give them
some support
once again
absolutely yeah we'll give you as much money as you
want you want to are those in favor of those
million dollars five million keep going
no no no hold on the school skills there were
times these gentleman used to be a hundred fifty dollars
not long ago
$50 which together
$300 no it's going into thousands
used to be used to be used to be a
token and those different ... you don't like that because
for whatever else once again our mandate here our responsibility
to the people who want to live work and play
and have a great community and represent and recognize
so certainly one of them is a council which is
really challenging because when you go to communities like Quebec
and the Quebec or say we care about Quebec or
Quebecers we love Quebec we love we're here to support
our community and sort of finance similar communities here we
have people fighting against other members it's to me started
shooting when you're people saying we want to give we
want to help well I don't want his help I
don't like him for
there are people in this community that are willing to
give and help them grow and we turn away
we turn away because of our attitude towards being a
sharing in a caring community I don't think it's up
to government the greatest respect to go the taxpayer to
say I want you to pay more taxes the fight
for your quality of life with every doing on fixed
incomes and we arbitrarily go choose where it's going to
go or not go ... I really think that we
should be focusing we have real challenges here
real challenges of basic goods of water sewer garbage really
parks
the quality of life issues we need to focus on
our mandate and once the things becomes politicized rebel filler
core mandate I start to say come on guys
why did we change this process why is it going
this way and wire the funds going so crazy and
why are some people getting hurt and why are we
doing better so I see it as of offered others
from a library on
okay we can help you manage and service
many of us here raise money
some of us raise money to get a picture in
the paper others raise money and say here you go
without fanfare
because we're here to serve and help and grow our
community together so I'd see you that I don't
looking at the
current file and where it's gone in our evolution I've
only been here five years I find it interesting when
I go back in history and I start talking to
previous councils with the mandate where these funds were and
how they evolve
we deserve to serve the residents on our priorities first
and our wishes second absolutely support the group's absolutely do
everything I can to help but not at the expense
of hurting others and not when it becomes one factor
or another so I last council meeting said I would
like to transition this and work with it it gets
to a point where it's either or and you guys
are probably witnessing a part of it you know something
maybe the first time you have people here who are
just
agitated I said most polite way
and I say it really is hard to see the
negativity so because of that I will support this motion
to my regret but I will give support and other
means thank you
all right and now a
Castro
you wish to speak second round
Sir
thank you Mr mayor
I respect you know
a colleague said different views on this one
but ... I think ... concert chain made a very
good point
the
which when you created this program
we call for application people has they have an expectation
that somehow they're going to get the grant and they
continue their program to serve all residents
total taxpayer money
they can go to federal they can go to provincial
is getting harder and harder to get provincial and federal
funding so they come to us
and
at the end of the day it's all taxpayer money
even though the vehicle to provincial grants federal grant is
taxpayer money so I don't think that's the big issue
here with us but I understand
there's a favorite or some I don't know but because
we'd set up set out the criteria
and these group they all meets our criteria so that
they kept the finding that the staff suggested
so I don't see why we are all of a
sudden you know stopping this this year as I relate
re iterate you know it if you want to stop
we can always discuss ... in council about what we
could do with future but just putting his full stop
here and telling all of groups at okay no more
findings go back home
sorry I can't do that
okay another second rounder concert chance
thank you for much ... Mister chair Mister mayor off
I wasn't think of our second term a second wrong
but but interesting talking about looking at the funding criteria
and I look at this program by the way
while holding hands together talk about communication today ... this
is a picture tells a thousand things the first thing
is that the criteria is benefit benefit to should Richmond
hill in terms of economic impact committee responsiveness and all
enhancement of Richmond hill is a match now they have
to do that in addition to other things
evidence of give me a partnership of law not more
than five thousand dollars
you look at the all the way
one could top one percent meat that is sector investment
many of these organizations from what I'm granted the list
I'm not getting five thousand dollars ... somebody be as
little as five hundred dollars now if it
five hundred dollars even up to five thousand dollars would
help to enhance a benefit Richmond hill enhancement of ...
in may H. community responsiveness engagement economic impact not I
would have hoped that when they come back with the
evaluation plan and report that to demonstrate that otherwise I'm
sure all expressed office hours to three citizen members were
looking over all this grant application eight sorry you say
you're going to do is is quick things A. B.
C. you never deliver that's the end of it may
be only one one year wonder so I'm going back
to my my point that up surprise surprise city all
of Richmond is unlocked the only minister party providing all
you know they can call different names culture and community
grant well I don't even want to compare city of
Toronto which is F. two point seven million people total
authority but looking at even smaller cities than us I'm
just picking up right here C. T. often debate
all your own they have community you'll find cultural funding
at this mortar feels US cities and towns so again
hi as I've said before I can also participate because
all of just in terms of the expectation continues talking
about people were given the impression nine months ago something
they can plan for a different office applications almost four
months later six oh sorry
stock up if we're doing it again I said I'm
open minded indeed discussion for budget for twenty twenty one
maybe this is not the best yourself a sixty thousand
dollars whatever I'm for it but at the moment the
game looking at funding criteria these groups they have to
demonstrate benefit
to which one it was economic impact I'm sorry we've
done done but you got my point so I'm not
going to support this and I I look forward to
the discussion and twenty twenty one when it got to
the township will should we thank you and I think
which we know can do better than maybe I should
say that thank you
shares thank you Mr mayor to ... to wrap up
...
I did just want to be clear because I'm hearing
from some of my colleagues and I I respectfully disagree
with them ...
they would have invaded the applicant's would've been told very
clearly by staff that there is no money until council
votes so an expectation that they had a check already
in the mail if staff told them that I don't
believe they would have if they thought that by accident
well we all know that that's not true
many people filled out applications to get a bank loan
or to get a mortgage to buy a house and
they know until the bank comes back with here is
your approval you don't get money that's just a fact
of life so to suggest
that people were expecting it it's council that makes the
decision so everyone knew that so I I don't believe
there was an expectation and that we're leaving people in
the lurch
... it is curious it's been twenty one days since
I made that motion
that was a bit curious M. M. is my office
going to be flooded with residents I gonna get petitions
is is the phones would be ringing off the hook
you know monitoring social media
which pretty much crickets
life just kept going on it was in the local
newspapers you know so it was publicized
so the message for me was was strong that I
was still on the right path and and I feel
I feel badly for the organizations that are now having
to seek alternative financing yeah I belong to other organizations
that that don't come here they just speak the funding
from the community they get it in a move on
so I I I I know the resourcefulness the ingenuity
of our community that people steer their ship somewhere else
in the continue one ...
so I'd say Mr mayor thank you
all right
yes okay before the vote
quotable yes yeah
I'm so sorry no I'm sorry so my
for calling the vote on it's telling
she was not a delicate
15 minutes
the
that's right I just don't understand
the decision
okay that's fine no there with the delegation we have
signed up for and then tore you speak at the
beginning so to speak okay
that's fine that's all yeah okay please come forward
05
D. A. why say something is not on the agenda
okay we finance
hi this
okay members accounts so we're in favor of you speaking
yeah now we're not gonna open up many many people
last year we haven't
there is no
that's work
well there were no questions
I just want to speak in support of the cultural
grant I represent course your person heading into our fourth
season and we have presented three to four concerts a
year we work with the symphony ... we have worked
with the Historical Society we have been connecting with other
groups we are based in Richmond hill ... we don't
run rely solely on the ... on cultural granted it
has been very helpful we have a professional director ...
we're trying to provide ... and promote the culture of
... through music in ... in Richmond hill so ...
I really feel I think history has proven that ...
societies that kind of turned it back on culture ...
live to regret it so and we have tried to
reach out to others in the community ... we have
had some support but to produce the quality of the
product we need money and ... yeah and we have
a symphony here represented we have other groups that are
represented and ... it's been proven that music is ...
inspirational it's healthy it's it helps people in a variety
of levels motional physical ... it's very valuable and ...
Chris it's a topic dear to my heart I am
a retired music teacher and I live in Richmond hill
for many years so I really would hate to see
this grant ... disappear so and if anyone else like
to speak to that please tell
thank you for your views spoke of stood up at
the very beginning so aggressiveness fairness
all right to call her thank you to Mister mayor
voting on the motion of cancer barrels cancer chan no
cancer early you
cancer Verreaux's mayor pero
no
regional local culture to Paula yes
reach a local councillor pearly yes councillor Munch yes
that motion carries only
okay
we have 2 more items
if we do
1370
the ticket right
all
we should get close to him okay should we got
trucks
all
okay
global
I'm gonna finish this
the
the street name
yeah okay
sure enough thirteen seven the ... private street naming consular
plumbers want
those are coming
yes
thank you Mister Maher
V. E. day victory day date of may
it'll be 75 years
since the guns fell silent
and the world was changed forever
we celebrate the sacrifices we mourn the losses of those
that have gone before us
and I want to thank staff for taking the words
the council gave them a while ago in working with
the legion to find members of our community
to put on street names
so that we will not forget so I'm happy to
move the motion for this private street naming which yet
again puts veterans names on streets in Richmond hill with
a popping
so the people don't forget thank you Mr mayor
all right very well said
we have a number second there his brother comments on
this site
all those in favor of toasted Calrissian animacy
all right
it's just okay I just wanted to see where we
are so we have the the budget
it's a deal with although I think that's going to
be fairly sex partner yes we will yeah I was
still with the budget and then we'll move to the
next item and it's been a good camera with this
camera
there's the concession refuse to
so we've got a lot of work yeah yeah right
okay what
we talked about we will
but
okay the budget but a budget so it's still with
the budget to do with it I don't like that
is there any issues with the button
turn the turn to
yeah syncing up thirteen three strategist in there just proposed
to move the staff recommendations that we the the budget
has forwarded to budge from budget committee we were all
there will will hold nothing's changed it's been ... ...
since the change of been a corporate into these final
figures and amounts and I just happen to move that
a congratulations all those involved again ... very ... a
very positive going for going forward look for Richmond hill
always that's responsible and looking at our long term viability
second the
the man happy to second the motion
okay
sure well we are we just doing the revised recommendations
from this to Texas ... momentum that was the first
okay
because I would like a separated please
I would like a separated out
okay and then asking for a recorded vote
all right let's get this
back to
okay thirteen twelve and it was the memo the ...
that we received one seventy one of one seventy five
the revised recommendations and I'm I'm sorry the recommendation number
that you wish so I went a step further Hey
for Citrix for yeah
yeah a one to be separated out from the rest
okay and recorded votes for both please
15 comments
they want to skip the full
the 5
okay so we've got
well it's it's a one it's the one that we
got the memo we
well received has any comment I have
I have it here
there
there you go
so referring to yes the A. one regarding the firefighters
I want that separated out not a A. one
okay
Mr Clark with this other
comments that could do it
gradually stir
but
through Mister mayor voting on ... so I'm going to
pull up that one and they will vote on all
the rest of closes out my understanding yes so ...
voting on
some because a one culture silhouettes no
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cancer Leo
reach a local councillor Paula yes cancer Munch yes cancer
Verreaux's cancer chan no
region local cancer proudly yes cancer west
so because A. one carries only voting on the remainder
of the motion cancer cell events yes reach a local
councillor Paula yes cancer Leo
cancer Verreaux's regional cancer probably yes cancer Munch
cancer chan yes cancer west
Miro yes
the balance of the motion carries unanimously in the entire
motion is carried
thank you good very good answers and gradually thanks to
a treasure finance team
okay we are going to take a break for a
while
of all
okay 11
all 25
additionally back in one second one
so
back
yeah
so we do have a lot of
sensitive
I have this right what
would you wish to
well of
this is regarding the
we've already started
words to I'm gonna talk for just more to just
because the way our councils
the word word word to specifically and some members of
council knew that on January the eleventh
we had a massive
event because on me on January tenth we each received
an email from Elektra telling us that the major event
... for this water's coming in
the sewers backed up in York region which meant all
of our sewer that feeds into York region was back
flowed in
so those homeowners who the current provincial building code requires
new housing to have back flow valves anybody who lives
in an older unit
likely does not have a back flow valve and if
they were at a low point
the sewer from the Richmond hill city went into those
people's homes for
and what's funny is you could have a semi detached
house and house one would get it and hopes to
didn't
right next to each other
I've been contacted by people throughout Richmond hill when I
met no frills were real female people they're coming around
Richmond hill it's really remarkable
I've since learned that residents have outraged and I've gone
to the newspaper and the trauma star and I'm expecting
an article I got an email from couple news outlets
so what my motion is today's to say and what
we agreed with staff I've had private meetings and I
respect what different word counts and have their meetings so
when they have their meetings I don't interchange I mean
there's still a spirit I'm gonna do what I do
my work explain it to you so I engage with
stakeholders from the garbage residents businesses staff
leadership and and the you know white blue collar
and what we've agreed is that we're going to continue
to research to find out how many people really affected
try to get a framework of thought number two what
we agreed to with the help of of Elmar another's
and mayor who gave the idea
saying that we should try to make sure that the
garbage people when they're driving up and down the street
that they actually will pick up the garbage that's left
over from the remnants of that
just so we're clear here another thing I know is
that our
depending on which insurance company you're with you're gonna get
a different result so some insurance companies say that contamination
just wipe it off with a cloth I want to
try your fine
there are other other insurance companies that say
other insurance companies so if you have a washer and
dryer fewer fridge in the basement just unplug it assuming
the electrical wasn't hit and once the letter freon said
anything else it put it back in your good and
when they start the dryer the furnace ... it emits
heat or anything else sometimes those people are fellow feeling
you're smelling a residue and the insurance people are local
TV an expectation from a resident
yeah ... but if I'm a resident they say when
I flush the toilet I expected to go out of
my house they don't have an expectation of in the
middle of the five o'clock on a Saturday and all
the sudden be parted and flooded with waste
so their expectations will the city must be responsible this
is not a city of Richmond hill issue
per se it is but it isn't this case was
the region was overwhelmed through a event that took place
and our capacity couldn't handle it and it it enacted
some people so what I'm asking is in the motion
is number to where we're starting we're getting information out
there we're gonna communicated to communicate with residents ... I've
heard from a number of residents across Richmond hill
and I'm saying that when they have once we learned
of these
situation those households should have their garbage picked up
so I'd like to say for the stress motion today
the only thing is to say when we know ...
that we have a reasonable compromise that this is from
an extraneous event you see coaches and and you know
... dishwashers new see Bellamy in a cabin a tree
and carpets outside
then would like that the picked up because I really
don't want to be sitting on the street for another
month or somebody else I don't wanna be a dumping
ground for others sore asking if we could ask Miller
and stuff to try to accommodate that by giving either
these garbage tags to select the people so does become
a free for all for garbage and ...
you know if they won't have a contact in contact
me or contact their member of council
and then with further research to be done to see
what next steps we as council can do to help
the people of Richmond
correct correct it's just
with
first thing is stuff the judge of conflict or is
he going to use to call into question waste waste
from people who have been impacted by the January eleventh
flood
and that ... if residents are impacted they can they
should be contacting the member of council
and that's it
why did we get
you certainly
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it seems to be a long time but it took
a long time for things other than the fact
we aware of that either all of the region we
let me just if I may three Miss America from
... from operations are on the road perspective and appreciate
councilman should cancer munches comments with ... speaking with staff
on the serve on the ground issues and we're definitely
looking at supporting and I understand there's a meeting with
with a couple of staff in the some survey work
to happen and I know with with with our water
operations which operations guys they're just went away for some
feedback and see what things we can do so there's
some
article things that we were happy to assist with wherever
we can without creating the president essentially ... that's the
idea ... but they're also legal aspects or ... you
know liability aspects which I think maybe ... twenty would
be pro better speak to with regards to the comments
are getting from residents claims are told to get claims
them too right that's another aspect of it on the
way side I I I do understand that ... Miller
will pick up any material the cabinet with material and
this is one I'm not so sure was construction material
it's all it's all the carpeting and household stuff yes
so that should be an issue because obviously with the
construction material ... the region one except that the estimate
your recovery say and that creates a whole other challenge
... but if that's something that council must pursue we
can also
yes so but definitely we get whatever we can do
as far as operationally to to support the community if
they're still people in need of you know what this
collection or or some support and we can do what
we can with regards to our our current policies I
guess the best way to describe it is that fair
okay first
we contacted Miller
this week
in order
this week he said toggle between
we'll
people will even look after that for Houston Miller has
been really really good I just don't want to burden
I want to make an expectation across which my wife
for anybody throw as much garbage as they want to
factor into this is really just designed for this particular
area
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yeah we've got claims where ... Valerie open and risk
managements got letters out to the community
I've seen I've seen at least for the
yes
L. three Mister mayor there are claims and claims are
being processed and I don't have anything else that
what's what's the difference
I have to do anything
we'll help you
what you do and how you doing it's great can't
do it right
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with the
we actually have this
okay just just with what we're trying to do is
make sure everybody's working on something that's so big your
training
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hi I just want to second the motion okay fair
enough that's good
thank you
okay I I'm not quite clear on on what we're
doing here ... seconds ask questions just make sure I'm
clear so we're essentially this motion is that we're going
to be asking staff to determine how to get rid
of any material from flooded residences that haven't already done
so I I only know of one person in my
ward that has had a problem it wasn't because of
a back up it was probably because of another issue
that was private but ... their their stuff is long
since gone in a dumpster because the insurance company would
pay for that so are we getting the sense that
there are people out there that are not having that
cost covered by their insurance companies and that is what
the reason the need that were responding no I just
wanna be clear I try to find I have not
heard this ... so I need to know understand this
before I can vote so as to you Mister mayor
commissioner or to legal or to anybody I I don't
really know
Hey Mr mayor I I don't know the extent of
the on street issue Sir I mean we've gone through
two collection cycles now right so it may be vastly
cleaned up ... maybe maybe cancer much maybe more where
what's happening within his work but I'm I'm not here
I'm not getting I haven't one phone call on this
matter so so to me it's it's really sort of
business as usual with regards to
okay so how long will it take to get a
report back from staff because I mean clearly if somebody's
got a pile of rotting garbage for the lot since
July that or sorry January the eleventh ... and it
takes a couple more weeks and our help isn't going
to be helpful
someone has been done already well that's why I'm asking
I'm asking what the residual need that we're actually talking
about and I really don't have enough information at this
point to help to help me to make the decision
I understand what counts so much said but ... but
I'm not getting the same date data back to me
but that's fine I mean I'm just not aware of
the issue the issue to the degree that the movers
so if you can give me any insight on that
yes certainly certainly yeah so everybody is called me I've
asked questions when did it happen when you realize what
you do who's your insurance company ... what has been
the reaction where you at now the process who contacted
have you felt any claims as many feedback have you
talked your claims adjuster yeah yeah yeah it's your question
is if you have specific sewer
backup health insurance
no limit
they'll come from what most residents did as they contacted
their insurance company the time it happens soon as they
realized it
the if they were clean up themselves ... there they
then had a flood remediation team come usually within four
hours of when they call the flood remediation team cut
the drywall that's not the question inevitably finish let me
finish ... but but it's not the question I'm asking
about is you asked me if there was covered and
I'm giving you an example and get to it that
be great
go ahead you don't have to interrupt
okay so even the stuff came up when the stuff
when the when the flood remediation people came then they
cost fifteen thousand dollars on a Saturday and Sunday and
the pumping the contaminants out of the house for four
days the claims adjuster would come on Monday and say
here's a fifteen thousand dollar Mr resident missed residences hold
on I just have a fifteen thousand dollar flood remediation
bill they say you get twenty five thousand dollars that's
it and you'll have to repair all of your everything
in the basement all your electrical and all your drywall
and all your lighting and all your appliances and all
the roads that you're responsible in some of the residents
are saying we don't have thirty to fifty thousand dollars
to do that so the answer is what they've done
is they've been reached out to others including some in
Richmond hill said are you guys gonna ensure for the
stuff that came out of the sewer in my house
that's correct okay so that doesn't answer the question but
thank you the question I was asking is I I
I guess I'm looking for is some more detail on
the extent of this problem I've had one before but
I think this motion is meant okay but that's right
and that's fine I have the right with the floor
at the moment to ask the question if there's some
insight that staff can give me so I better equipped
it to make a determination when the time comes on
this motion so ... is it possible to get an
idea of the you know the extent of this issue
given that it was on January eleventh I'm just not
sure how big a problem we're talking about here
shares of certain humans to mer ... so I'm I
have made aware of any anomalies in the waste collection
tonnages or that we had an override of you know
request for vehicles and in and more runs to me
typically when there's a crisis of some nature truck collection
can be delayed which may result in cost in the
region saying keep the Murph open if there's all kinds
of things that can trip up like give me an
indication of something really different is happening in the system
that didn't happen on the eleventh or the weeks preceding
the eleventh so I can ask staff to provide a
brief report S. okay was there any impact that we
saw across the city my smite my assumption right now
is that it's a minimal impact is clearly an area
within cancer munches war that was impacted by some regional
capacity
right now it says here the answer here please
and and from from ... any other cancers I haven't
heard any concerns and in each other wards as to
as to flooding ... nor have I had any calls
or direct communication from operations or the community as to
any concerns so so I don't think it's a in
in a month a month has gone by now so
if there was additional material it's probably long gone but
again if there's still some pockets of concern you know
we'll do we can to okay Levi at the community
one more question then so ... and as we I
didn't get a clear answer during this discussion up to
this point Miller does not pick up large items and
in like coaches and someone is that right
is that correct
through mis read every that's correct in the Clayton collection
contracts are very specific musical household waste has a very
specific definition coaches and construction material or gently into that
are excluded from that definition so can you can you
surmise then ... if we are able to accommodate the
collection of waste impacted residents
I've impacted residents sorry ... do we have the infrastructure
is in within our contract to actually do that because
if they're not picking up that type of material at
the moment there what are the chances of them being
able to pick it up
after the case certainly SO three you and I apologize
these questions are a bit ... I mean the great
questions are just not prepared with all the information generally
I can speak to a couple of items construction material
generally is refused because I know it's not accepted the
Marfan that's a contaminant right so that one is off
the table white goods we do have a program that
will collect white goods in washing machines in those kind
of voices so those can be arranged we picked up
if the rest of it is called garbage that shouldn't
be an issue and there may be some gray area
in there but I think for all in all with
what's happened we can probably address most of the concerns
... it's just my concern is if people start taking
apart their basements and bring kinds of studs and drywall
that's problematic for sure so all right so what I'm
what I'm hearing that you're hearing is that when you
get this back you're gonna come back as quickly as
possible ... with a report as to how we may
be able to do
before you actually implement it
if I made three Miss America all right when I
read this I don't see an actual action to counsel
other than a direction to do the best we can
in the community that's kinda what I'm hearing if that's
if that's the message
the report
as reported by
okay any other comments on this okay thank you Mr
mess to you too commissioner
if if this is done
it would date it would this be contained within Miller's
contract obligations to us or is there going to be
an extra cost to the municipality
three missed my my my hope and and this is
it it's a question of tonnage collected right so we
we paid by the time by by the volume that
you think it's just deposited the region so that maybe
the marginal increase or tonnage for that month or for
the week or two might be marginal again this is
not a widespread quantity that I see ... I think
I think in this case and and I've seen this
happen in my career with managing waste contracts when we
have an anomaly anomalous event that creates a bit of
tension in the community it's just really good customer service
to provide a little extra service for that one or
two collection peered just to give everyone a sense that
you know what we we we're here to make sure
we can do the best we can so to me
this would be considered part of a normal business ...
the ice storm was another event where we mean and
made exemplary efforts to try to kind of minimize impact
the community so
now a bigger question might be with climate change and
you know what the patterns is this can become a
regular thing that maybe a bigger question to think about
but you know at the current rate of the events
it's not unusual for us to provide that service thank
you very much commission the only other comment I want
to make is that ... perhaps also and and I'm
I'm not sure if a city managers already involved in
this but perhaps risk management chose to be involved in
this because I know in my south Richfield area when
we've had problems with with plotting to you too M.
residences that are on near the creek and with the
climate change and you know five hundred years storms that
are no longer five hundred year storms ... that is
being dealt with by risk management so it it just
it might be a good idea just to the ace
as well with that because they there are impacts thank
you very much
okay cops have said
they're out there investigating a person so I don't know
that there's an answer specifically and that's where I don't
know that we need to report back
media leave before they do anything because Miller is actually
out there doing it all right so and
yeah I know the venom amazing pretty good
Sir go ahead
Mister I just wanted to provide some clarity at Macalester
much approached me with this idea it one of the
things that needs the commissioner needs to be cognizant of
is that a lot of this is just maybe give
them some extra bag a garbage tags so that they
can throw out stuff as they find issues with things
in the basement that were contaminated sites offices could go
on two or three months if they're one of the
houses that are identified given that garbage tag for a
couple of blocks and let's get on with it that's
what it's all about so let's can we please call
the vote
not a chance I'm sorry what does okay yup yup
all up yeah I I actual plot a councilman to
moving it forward to help his constituents up maybe your
response to conserve wesa agree we maybe that's on so
I just want to be after to create for you
Mister chair the commission because they're what ways
I mean how expensive or restrictive all that could be
I mean ... so ... so perhaps if you're coming
back the report issues you can I would like to
see you know if there's any kind of parameters set
this is what we meant we've been doing something
just a comment thank you the explanation thanks
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