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We're glad to see you all. Please give the electronic notice.

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This meeting is being recorded and held in person in the 5th floor conference room of city hall.

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While staff and department planning commissioners are attending the meeting in person.

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Members of the public make shoes to participate in the meeting virtually.

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planning commissioners in advance of the meeting. During the public comment period,

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speakers will be asked to limit their comments to three minutes for an individual or five minutes

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of representing a group. In addition to verbally stating your name, we don't need the individuals

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attending in person or ask to utilize the sheet of the podium to accurately document your name for the public.

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There are much purposes and establishing a form, please call them open.

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Mr. Paul.

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Here.

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It's Greenville.

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Here.

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It's night.

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Mr. Penet.

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Here.

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Mr. White.

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Here.

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And Mr. McKinsey.

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We have a forum.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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There you go.

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We have minutes from August 18th to 2026.

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Is there a motion?

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Please call the roll.

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Mr. Paul.

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Ms. Greenfield.

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Ms. Stip.

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Ms. Knight.

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Ms.

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Ms. Brown.

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Mr. White.

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Mr. McKenzie.

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Mr. White.

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is in the minutes of your approach?

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Mr. Director, I'm going to defer your report for the end of this project.

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Are there opinions or conclusions or conclusions from the agenda?

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Me too.

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We have two over-quest for continuences.

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The first is item three, ordinance 2026-093,

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to authorize the special use of the property, known as 3317

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Rear Monument Avenue, for the purpose of up to four single family and touch

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in terms of conditions.

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And this is a request to continue to the November 2nd meeting.

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There are a motion to continue item number three to November 2nd, 2021.

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Second.

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You need to discuss.

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Hearing none, I'll call the question.

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We're voting on continuing item number three,

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33, 17. We're a monument out there.

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And to November 2nd, 2021,

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please call the roll.

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It's your poll.

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It's green so.

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All right.

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This night.

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All right.

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Mr. Benick.

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Mr. Rao.

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Mr. White.

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And Mr. McKenzie.

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Oh.

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That motion passes.

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You guys will see that I am again in November.

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Yes.

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We have a second.

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We have a second request.

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It's item four ordinance 2026-189.

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To authorize the special use of the property.

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Notice 5706 York Road for the purpose of up to eight single family attached

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dwellings upon certain terms and conditions.

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And this is a request to continue to the September 15 meeting to be

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Anthony M bits.

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Is there a motion to continue item number four, 57.06 York road to summer 15 2018's, so.

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You didn't ask.

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Hearing you recall the question about it on a continuous item number four, if you seven oz.

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Sir, it's your road to summer 15.26. Please call the room.

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Thanks for a bold.

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Screen film Ha.

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This night.

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Mr. Peneck.

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Mr. White.

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And Mr. McKinsey.

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All right.

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That motion passes and you guys will see that again in two weeks.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So you have one item on the consent agenda.

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Item 5, UDC-2026-13.

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This is the conceptual location character and accept review of a proposed renovation at

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Little John Park located at 1401.

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Little John Road.

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So we're fest to be referred to the September 10th Urban Design Committee meeting.

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That's the consent agenda.

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Questions from members of the commission on the consent agenda?

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We're not open to public hearing and ask if there's any member of the public.

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We should speak on the item that's on the consent agenda.

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Anyone online?

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Seeing you on online.

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I'm close to public hearing.

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Bring it back to the commission and ask if there's a motion on the consent agenda.

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So, you need to discuss, you're not going to call the question we're voting on, we're

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able to send the agenda as presented, please call the world.

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Mr. Paul, is Greenville?

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I say aye.

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Mr. Bennett?

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Mr. White?

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Mr. McKenzie?

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Motion passes, and that I don't know.

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We refer to the September 10th FDC meeting and you will see it back.

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And we have no regular agenda.

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There is no regular agenda items.

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Mr. Director.

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Do you like to give us a report on code written?

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Sure.

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Thank you very much.

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Give me a comment.

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Director.

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Provisions update.

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Commissioner.

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And I've page 3-12.

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There are points 3.24, you know, all these in a single building located and missing the word.

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So, there's your title.

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Let's see.

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We're able to share.

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So, purpose of today is to be able to provide an update where we are with draft three to provide.

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I'll say a high level overview, no links to all the significant changes.

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I'll write an opportunity for commissioners, if you have any questions, ask questions, or clarifying things.

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I think we discussed that last meeting, talked about this maybe two parts, and that is today providing an overview of the leave at our next meeting to have another session.

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maybe consider bringing forward the resolution of intent to officially adopt an amendment with

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a zoning ordinance. But I think first thing is to get through today and if the share wants to

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have some discussion or ask questions available to do that, there's a whole more community or

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we want to take a deeper dive. We can work on that at our next meeting. So let's

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I'm sharing this.

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All right, so don't have to go through this superfoil

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because you are very well-versed,

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but just context, great developing as a city.

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We are following Richmond 300,

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which is for guide for growth, right?

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Who would be aspired to be as a city?

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And within that, the citywide vision

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and talks in terms of how we move forward.

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So a few different maps from nodes,

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priority neighborhoods, future land use, future connections,

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on our five topic visions that we're trying to achieve.

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Very important and there in terms of implementation

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is six big moves if we want to be this city

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that we say we want to be.

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We've got to do these six big things.

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And top one is rewrite the zoning ordinance.

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So that is something we've been heavily working on

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over the past few years.

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So why code refresh our zoning ordinance

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that's on the books today?

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Can I get us there?

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Doesn't align with our master plan,

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especially when we talk about housing choice,

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and road viability, economic vitality, climate resilience.

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So we need a zoning code that lets us follow a few things,

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more homes from more people, complete neighborhoods

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in a diverse economy, beautiful communities,

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and a sustainable setting.

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And again, pulling from the master plan,

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our goal has been to see at what points

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that it's set up looking at these as competing options.

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I'll give you again to a yes amp made it in balancing all of these

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important objectives that are laid out in Richmond 3F.

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And so, craft the draft code.

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We've got Richmond 3100.

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Somehow I've got to boil that down into a zoning ordinance.

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And this planning commission has collected to have our department of

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planning and development review.

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Put this code together.

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And so we've been working on it from some time and it's really important to kind of look at right all the cases that go on to make this code.

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Most importantly, Code of Virginia saying what we can and can't do.

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You know, there's a lot of things I think we would like to do with the public and like us to do.

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But state has not allowed for that yet.

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And so the combination of again research from our consultants in terms of our panoramic analysis, the economic analysis,

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to our Zoning Advisory Committee,

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they're working groups, public comment,

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internally, working with our partners,

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and then externally,

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a whole different stakeholders,

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from very big formal public presentations

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to very small informal communications,

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and then a lot of online presence.

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So we've been doing this again

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over the last few years,

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working through these iterations

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to get us where we are today and draft through.

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So, I think it's also important to kind of recognize the context of doing all of this and also like what is happening in Richmond and I think just three things for, you know, framing this contextually, you know, one is talking about, you know, housing affordability and the supply issues we have in this city. This is from Mayor Kronenberg.

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Ministers, architect, he's a developer and he done a lot of research in terms of looking at housing across larger cities. And so this is for all cities over 100,000 people. And looking at different household incomes, right as it's a household of a certain income level like what could you afford and how much housing is out there for you. And he found right across the spectrum, there's a housing of shorting, there's a shortage of housing units for every income bracket.

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that is out there and right not just like tens of thousands but like hundreds of thousands of

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units that we are short in cities over 100,000 people. And so how this place out in terms of

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and I think we've really seen, you know, demand can increase pretty quickly, but our housing

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supply is really canalastic, right? It takes a long time to kind of get more housing to fill up and

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And if you want to satiate that demand and it's simply like right when we don't have enough homes, everybody could feed for once available.

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And so, you know, we've seen it and there's a gone through a community is like right, and there's a surprise like, wow, I never thought like a house of my neighborhood would sell 400,000 dollars, 500,000 dollars.

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But what's happened is in an era of shrinking supply, we have households who come in who can afford it.

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And maybe those who are living there couldn't afford it,

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but from the outside, people are coming in

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and outbitting and driving up prices and areas

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where that market and the supply is tight.

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And so in terms of one of them,

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I'll say, pieces of context, we have technologies,

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what is happening here in our city

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and in saying enrichment in particular,

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especially post 2020, that demand has a significantly increase.

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It's not as like pretty max and it's going to put things in data shows that we're 3.7 million units short across the country and it's because we have not caught up with 2.7 million session.

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That's across the country.

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We've not reached you in that Virginia.

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3.7 million units short.

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And across all.

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I think.

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You know, there's good data out there and again, if you show.

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just over time right in the US like how many housing units we've produced per year.

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Bottom kind of fell out in 2008 that really never has come back.

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And I think right for those of you who work in that industry, you know, like a lot of people just left that industry.

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You know, with the economics they've shifted and got other jobs and then did not go back in to the whole million industry.

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And I say not just like in terms of like direct construction, but like yes direct construction,

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but then all the other things associated with it in terms of financing and real estate,

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there's big gaps where we were prior to that time. And so I'll say we were already kind

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of a little behind starting then, but yes, that's that point that's just been even tougher.

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So thank you for that information.

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Second piece of context.

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Richmond is a much different place in 2026 that it was 1976. So this looks at going back to our

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census, 1970 is the top bar and 2020 is the bottom bar. So these are the most recent census

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prior to a zoning effort. And he looked in 1970, our population was just under turn 50,000.

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in 2020 to 126,000, we're getting a little bit closer.

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So, late assessments have us about 239, 241, in 2025,

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which you'll like, wait a minute, the bottom bar is bigger,

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but a population is smaller, well that's because the bars

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are measuring the number of households we have in the city.

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And so, in 1970, we had just over 8,000 households.

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Today, we are over 100,000 households.

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So, 20,000 more households with fewer people, why is that?

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Because smaller households had been taken up more space.

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73% of households in Richmond are households of one or two people.

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And so, when you think about what that means from, again, offering housing

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and what types of products that we have in our city,

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how does that manage up with our household sizes?

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And so, you think about how much space

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as a household need, the zoning can't dictate that or mandate that, but looking at what

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we have across the city, right, we have a lot of single family detached homes, multiple bedrooms,

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that may only have one or two persons living in them. And so I think you look at this twofold,

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one is a combination of newer households that are moving here, but also households who have been

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a long time of people who are aging in place.

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So they've elected this day here. And so it's just I think it's important again to consider when we talk about, so we're not going to be talking about regulating housing and we talk about, right, providing enough housing to house all those households. It's important to look at this difference.

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And then a third piece we talked a lot about here is like, why do we make it so difficult?

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And I think one of the things, you know, I'll say each piece of advice from Rich Silver,

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he's a great public servant, he's been involved in both the different communities.

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If you're lucky enough to see him, I think it was what two years ago.

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I'm certain that this came to Richmond and there were the things he said,

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like when you talk about your zoning code, you should make it easy to do the things that you want

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and difficult to do the things that you don't want. And our code, I'll say, is a little bit backwards

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in terms of some of those things. And so you look at this neighborhood, the house on the left,

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required a special use permit to build. Even though it's a house, that again, kind of fits the character,

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the style, the temperament of this whole neighborhood and you're like, right zoom out,

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look at this whole neighborhood, well, just because it was the last one to arrive on the

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blog and could beat whatever our conventional requirements, it needed especially use

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a particle.

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I think right do like at our document.

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We did one of three last fiscal year trying to think count.

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So it's a long time.

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I'm going to be bent over a hundred since I've been here.

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I think we're out of the five years of not five and six years.

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Right?

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We've been close to a hundred especially use permits.

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Many of those being just for one or two family doing it, and so, you know, we're making it really difficult, we say we need housing, and we want to build housing, and even when we talk about single family detached housing, sometimes they'll make it difficult to do just like the simplest things in terms of development.

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So I think putting these things in context about how we put together a new code, it's important to think about, right?

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So supply, household size, and then like the rules to get actually where we want to go.

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So I want to go through and just talk about some changes from two to three.

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These are based around some of the big questions that we discussed.

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We discussed them directly here, some of them.

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What we heard, allowing up to three doing units and a lot.

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Maybe two rapid change for some of residential neighborhoods.

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So, we reduced the maximum of going units and residential districts to one primary dwelling in it and one accessory dwelling in it under 1200 square feet.

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If you're a to use detached, it's got to be smaller than the primary dwelling.

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So, if you look at how many dwelling units on a lot, this is what our current code allows.

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So just a quick way to interpret this,

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below means it's an existing building.

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Red means it's new construction.

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He means it's the principal.

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Hey, means it's accessory.

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And so today, we have, we've had three years ago,

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an ordinance that allows accessory dwelling units by right.

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On units that have one dwelling unit,

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you're allowed to add another accessory dwelling unit

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up to a third of the size of the principal dwelling unit.

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or there's a base of funder and square feet if you have something smaller.

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And so the proposed code increases the maximum allowable

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to 1200 square feet.

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But then it also contains some provisions in terms of, again,

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allowing for an development that's contextual to the neighborhoods

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and much that exist.

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So, 500 square feet, and I'll say adding to that

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here is it cannot be larger than the principal dwelling in it.

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And it's also the lesser of 20 feet or the primary dwelling in it.

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So if you only have one story dwelling, you're ADU will only be able to be one story.

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And then the footprint of all your accessory buildings shall not exceed the footprint of the primary building.

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So if you have garage or shed or some other things in there, those all count against the coverage and those kinetic seed,

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what your principal dwelling unit is.

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And again, thought is like, if it's accessory, it should be de minimized to what the principal or primary

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structure isn't on that one.

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How do people in a household? What we heard,

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and the threat to it, we said allowing individuals, unrelated individuals,

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related individuals, related to over-crowding. We came out that day based on some

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things in code of Virginia that allowed for group living up to eight individuals.

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And so what we changed, and again, this is separate from code of Virginia

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requirements. There's certain stipulations for, by right,

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for living for individuals with disabilities. We changed the definition of household

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to include not more than five adults.

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And so I'll say some of the guidance we got

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because we needed a number, so we're coming back with a number.

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Or sustainable. What we heard is, hey, these new developments are coming in. Payering in the whole lot, the contributing increased stormwater runoff in urban heat.

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And so what we changed is we added minimum vegetation space, which requires actual real vegetation to every new development and almost every district. I have almost there, because we don't have minimum requirement in open space and are cemetery districts.

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But I'll just say whether nature you can't really build much there anyway, in two of them can't reinforce it.

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But there's now a minimum standard for having something right, permeable, and alive, and a rezoning district.

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This is an addition to minimum tree canopy requirements that are as high as code of Virginia allows.

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I think also part of clarifying this is,

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when we talk about making development more sustainable,

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today, I noticed you use our water in an example,

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right? It says, maximum lot coverage in that district,

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show that exceed 20% of the area of a lot.

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But it's really important to remember when you look at

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lot coverage in our definitions.

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It means the portion of a lot that's covered by buildings.

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What did it does not say? It says nothing about the minimum mode

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educated space or tree canopy on a lot and there's nothing about the maximum amount of space and a lot that they'd be covered by impervious services.

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Yeah, a lot coverage.

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And I don't have personal opinion to this and really just trying to understand, I know many houses in my neighborhood, the building covered exceeds 20% of the area for a lot.

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the personal billing and the amount of additions that have been put on. So don't even have any

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backyards, it's just a tiny little front guard. How does so obviously what's done is done,

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but now we're saying going forward, we're trying to match the character of the neighborhood,

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someone could do that theme edition or where they have to go through the SGK. Sure. So I will say

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than the new districts. Some of the percentages did come up a little bit to allow for

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and I'll say when we did our testing of like looking at what coverage was

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or the RD for the detached zoning districts. I'll say about 90, at least 90% of lots would be

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conforming when it came to coverage. So we looked at like and I think this is a reason if you

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remember to draft one coverage, a lot of coverage is really high, and we got some push back on it saying,

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well, that's a lot of coverage. And then we went back and it's more analysis.

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And I

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was, I'll probably make an exact one, but one of the techniques we talked about right, we showed

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the bell curves. Yes. And so we tried to get it where we'd at least get 90% in there. So there may

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be a few cases where they might exceed and so they may need especially use permit or again,

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like we're talking about pathways that may be through the board of zoning appeals for certain

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types of exceptions, but essentially we're trying to and will capture most development as being

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conforming. The other thing is if you look at each of the districts has a call like a two page

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panel right that talks about like form and building requirements, you'll see that lot coverage

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is increased if you have a second building. And so that is the goal was to say look if you're rather

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then building one huge unit, the incentive is to build two units, and then maybe not quite

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as large.

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You get a little bonus if you have a second unit instead of just one.

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And so that analysis on coverage is also kind of based on where we're at with one unit

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today.

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Just the last thing is there are some exceptions that don't come for coverage, for like

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porches and dex and things that are covered, but like unconditioned.

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So that's why maybe some can see them a little bit larger than that.

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I'm not sure if you've listened to the information.

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So they clearly take us back to Aaron.

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It's just that.

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They're having.

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All right.

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Minimizing impacts of new development.

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We heard.

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We hear a lot, right?

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Greater assurance about what those impacts may be.

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And say probably top of the line is talking about traffic, right?

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The increased traffic that this development over.

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And so what we've changed is requiring users that generate substantial amounts of

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traffic, so things like doing stations, drive-throughs, car washers, service and repair shop,

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vehicle sales, rental businesses, things that are literally designed to

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generate auto traffic and generate people going in and out. Most of them has been removed

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as permitted uses and the non-industrial districts. We also eliminated the seat district,

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CG District, which allowed many of these uses five, right.

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And so they will most likely require a special use permit.

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This gives, you know, this body, the opportunity to make recommendations to council, to figure out the great, depending how big it is, like how do you mitigate those negative impacts.

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Also talking about minimizing impacts is, I think one of the things is important is a scale of what uses may be.

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And so you'll see in some of the use tables that in categories, there's different sizes or different parameters, depending on how big that uses.

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So for example, food and beverage, if it's only going to be 1500 square feet or less, it's permitted in a few areas.

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Again, with some stipulations of a piece of our means, it's permitted with some special conditions, then would be something 3000 square feet.

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or bigger than 3,000 square feet.

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So trying to, again, kind of calibrate

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that smaller things look, it could be found in the right places

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and in some of the residential districts,

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but larger, there would be more for the mixed use districts.

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And so looking at how we balance those,

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you will also see there's a lot more seas in this chart.

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And so an emphasis being on our ability

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to use more conditional use permits.

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And I think we will still have and we'll always have, especially use permit and especially use permit process, which is I think really good when it talks about coming up with particular conditions for form of structures, but it's really tough when it comes to use and I think one of the challenges we have, right, is that the special use permit runs with the length.

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And so you start out with a really great user and then, you know, a decade down the line,

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they sell it to like not so great user, and maybe 10 years later, and they sell it

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to like a really terrible user who is entitled with that use.

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And things don't go the way, I'll say they're intended to.

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So I think in our ability to have a conditional use permit process, where we can have

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relations that are more temporal, but I think you've seen our recommendations for

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nightclubs recently, right? They go for 18 months and so, right? Let's see how it goes

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and then when they come back, you can see how they've been operating and I'd recommend

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nations based on that. So I think the ability to be able to like have some of that

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differentiation gives, you know, this body and then counsel a lot more,

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you know, I'll just

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based sooner than that later.

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The only place is worship, and draft two,

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we took places of worship on the MNX-3.

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It's pretty much across the board, across the city.

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And that was based on some discussion about,

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all right, furthering different types of housing,

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products and development, and neighborhoods,

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and also being able to introduce

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commercial in the places that might not have had it,

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or people said, hey, I wanna be able to walk

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to something in my neighborhood,

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And we also understood, like just MX-3 as a stand-alone,

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mainly to some small or large-scale commercial uses that really didn't fit in those.

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So we changed places of worship to variety of RM districts based on where they are located.

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So in RMA, which now I was up to four units, RMA is 12 units, RMA is kind of a low rise.

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There's women on the units, but it's limited to four stories.

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Right, RMAs, like if it's deep in the neighborhood,

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or a smaller street, RMAs love a busier,

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and then RMA sees some of the more urban areas,

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or even, again, major corridors, maybe one of the MXs.

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But this was to balance, allowing for different types of housing products.

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But then, also, again, you remember that chart,

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like smaller scale commercial, maybe 1500 square feet,

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depending where they're located.

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I've read the C-transit corridors, zoning, high frequency chains at corridors, and again,

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part of Richmond 300 focused on density, development, growth in nodes and along corridors.

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And so one of the challenges is taking those that have a pretty extensive and historic built

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environment.

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So we have a lot of transit corridors that have two story buildings where we had to own

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I'm excited.

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There is some concern that they encourage demolition,

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displacing local business tenants.

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I think if you've read through some of the RKG studies,

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I think you'll see that overall throughout the city,

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there's just not a lot of demolition happening

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because it's very expensive to double a building,

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and then put something at its place

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that you'll be able to recoup your costs.

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Unless we changed.

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.

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Several of these transit corridors that have mostly two-story to MX-3, so it's like MX-5 on corners or vacant lots.

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everyone mixed use areas concern that in draft two RMA was six units and so those

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buildings and it's not a ton but that at three units will be able to go from three

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to six might be to wrap it up change and and so we reduce the maximum number of

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building units for RMA from six to four and apply that in the map I'll say just

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overall, maybe have a lot of, I'll say, 2 units, 3 units, 4 units.

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We don't have a lot of 5s to 6s.

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It's kind of like a weird spot.

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So those then that would be 5 and up would move to the R&B,

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which allows up to 12 units.

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We heard too many parcels, so in an RDC,

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where it'd be eligible for a 5-rate lot of subdivision.

469
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This is a tough one, in terms of its kind of the most

470
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:13,280
dense sea-fetched areas, and so there's a lot of variation in lots with. But we felt that when

471
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:19,000
we looked through again that, yes, you could buy rights, split a lot of the lots. Again, from a

472
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,000
practical standpoint, you also have to consider where that house is, and the house is right in the

473
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,260
middle, you can't split it. Nonetheless, moving from 25 to 30 feet, I think, made as a lot better in

474
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:36,300
of conforming where our RDA and RDB standards were in terms of like how many lots you could

475
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:42,220
split by right, which gets it down. I think each of those is somewhere around like two to

476
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:47,520
three percent and so RDC was a lot higher than it was like eight or nine percent so to get that

477
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
closer to those percentages.

478
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,800
And then, oh, we heard a metal wrong. People always said it like that

479
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,180
to us. And so what we changed is, again, this is based on some of the

480
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:07,220
changes on the code, but changing some of the RAA and RMA lots to

481
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:10,960
reflect existing conditions. So I'm again trying to match what's on on the

482
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,180
ground there today. We added RMS to better reflect Garden style low-rise

483
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:23,960
apartment complexes. So RMC, again, is a low-rise up to four stories and allows

484
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,700
for a limited number of units, it's meant for an urban context, the RMS is meant for a

485
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,640
little bit more suburban context, so there is still some push towards urban form, right about

486
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:41,320
buildings fronting the street, but it's not as intensive as the RMC and in more urban areas.

487
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:47,560
And then adding CMP, which is our campus district, to better reflect nuances in their institutionally

488
00:32:47,560 --> 00:33:02,200
So, big institutional users, BCU, University of Richmond, VUU, that have lots of buildings, right, organized around courtyards, or a green spaces, multiple buildings.

489
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:06,260
Those kind of campus designation versus institutional.

490
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,220
It's still used on, I'll say, single structures.

491
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,340
They don't only take up a parcel or a block.

492
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:17,880
So schools, libraries, other government facilities that are just kind of in one spot.

493
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,040
Receporated those outland.

494
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,860
So that is a overview of the major changes.

495
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,200
And no, or the chair.

496
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:30,520
I want to end the question of their discussion.

497
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,640
I'm sure we have a multiple number.

498
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,320
I think we just like to, let's go ahead, I'll start off.

499
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:47,260
I think this third draft is the best I've seen in this process.

500
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,000
And I'm hopeful that we can move towards adoption.

501
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:57,820
I think I love the growth, the conditionally use controls.

502
00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:08,180
and some of the, I think it was politically necessary to get us back to having some single

503
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:15,780
family zoning. But I do still have some real concerns about some of the building standards

504
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:27,640
that just kind of put this out there and I will speak in terms of multi-family because that's the

505
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:36,120
You know, for most buildings like that, you would need 10% of your building to be open space,

506
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,840
which means you got to build it and you got to maintain it, but you don't get any rent.

507
00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:47,560
You got to have bicycle storage for one out of every three or one out of every four units.

508
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,060
It's a lot.

509
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:56,660
You got to have an expensive tree canopy and then you got to wire for 10% of your parking spaces

510
00:34:56,660 --> 00:34:59,800
with Plyring and...

511
00:35:00,050 --> 00:35:24,110
Conduant for electrical vehicles. Doing all that stuff together, coupled with the reality that the city is eager to adopt the recently authorized inclusionary zoning, I'm at a loss to understand how this isn't going to bring some multifamily residential development to a stop.

512
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:32,410
But that's my concern, most of the rest of it, I'm happy and comfortable with, but wanted to put that out there.

513
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:51,850
What's your wish that I agree, and I've just trying to figure out what problem we're trying to solve to do for multi family buildings, because there are already going to respond to the market and put in a many spaces, particularly whether it's a pool or a club or they're putting in something.

514
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:59,110
So I'm not sure what the complaint is that we're trying to solve for about making this

515
00:35:59,110 --> 00:36:05,810
kind of mandated percentage that could really challenge projects for penciling out, but I think it'll be

516
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:14,850
an absolute deal killer, smaller, in-fill projects where they will not be able to pencil out with a 10%

517
00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:21,930
um, particularly on the the amenity space. I understand tree canopy, vegetative. I heard that loud

518
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:28,950
clear throughout the stack. That is very important. And I think the amenity space discussion

519
00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:36,430
is projects specific and, you know, just assigning a percentage to it is is going to be

520
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:41,390
deal breaker for some projects. And you need to be something that's discussed project by project

521
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:44,430
maybe in words of policy that it's an impermanence?

522
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:46,920
Sure.

523
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:59,860
I think maybe just in context of rational or raising for so many standards, I think in terms of

524
00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:08,000
you know, community space, vegetation space, I think a concern in terms of trying to address

525
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:15,200
is the amenity space is right being able to talks about chartered code, access to like pressure,

526
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:22,760
light, those types of moons. And so the thought is, okay, can you provide that in some of these

527
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:29,600
denser projects? I think one of the things also in there is from draft 2 to draft 3

528
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:36,680
We scraped a lot of, I'll say, like for the picky, detailed requirements in there.

529
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:37,880
I think you can trap two of those.

530
00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:43,040
There's a lot of things about specificity about like seeding and coverage and things like that.

531
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,860
I think this is more focused on just the percentage.

532
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:52,460
Still in there, though, is a reduction in percentage if that is accessible to the public.

533
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,700
And I think that was given from the desire to be able to introduce more, I'll say,

534
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:02,520
some of my public spaces in areas where like we just don't have them.

535
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:08,760
And so there's a benefit for the public, if you're opening up that or my space to them

536
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,060
and there's a benefit for the developer and that is you only have to do half as much if it's

537
00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:13,480
open to the public.

538
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,320
Good, real quick.

539
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,780
Who maintains that?

540
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:20,620
So we can developers obviously going to pay some sort of property management firm that's

541
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:23,260
constantly building to the tenants' rent.

542
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:28,480
So then it's a force sale and we can be simple products for we require each of these.

543
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,120
because otherwise, that's an out of cost

544
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,800
or you're basically telling people the HOA

545
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,060
or a private management company

546
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:37,640
is gonna maintain the space,

547
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:40,360
they pay the rent and mortgage for and everyone can use it.

548
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:42,780
Seems a little plot to me.

549
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,720
Yeah, yeah.

550
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,340
I mean, look, I think in terms of,

551
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640
we talk about balancing objectives.

552
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,220
I mean, some of the things that we've heard through this process

553
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:57,800
is like, okay, I'm good and with like density

554
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,700
I'm good with development, but I want some equality that goes along with it.

555
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:06,980
This is a way to, I'll say indirectly, what's the things in there?

556
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:13,540
I think the addition of vegetation space, that it also tries to make clear in terms of, again,

557
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:19,060
just the challenges like we have with urban soil water and heat, that vegetation coming in there.

558
00:39:19,540 --> 00:39:22,800
But I also want to make sure that it's understood that I'll say it in part of the

559
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,020
like some of these things can be overlapped, it's that separate.

560
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:30,820
And so if that amenities phase is like a lot in the Revegetated Area

561
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:35,220
like in Double Count, and I think trying to be flexible with the vegetation

562
00:39:36,220 --> 00:39:40,380
space, you know, in terms of like, the amenities phase, right, there's

563
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:42,680
minimums for like right dimensional things, and the vegetation

564
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,260
space can be cumulative or like added up and like the next

565
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:54,240
crannies across the course of, you know, and so I think just in terms of where we landed with

566
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:59,000
some of those, I think some of those percentages have come down.

567
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:22,350
Where we were at, and it tried to make them, I'll say, like, as least intrusive as possible. And I'll say, this is, yeah, where we'll start at pinch points of, like, trade-offs in terms of, like, the cost of things versus the, I'll say, amenities or equality that this vote is asking for in some of those new projects.

568
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:36,190
So, the MX-13 is an example, proposed once to build to the property line, right, you don't want things set back, right, in the next 13th.

569
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:48,350
So, if you've got 12 at 13th story building there, really you're only option for open spaces on the roof.

570
00:40:48,990 --> 00:40:52,910
You can get 10% on the roof if you've got a 12-story building.

571
00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:03,810
Yeah, I mean, I guess it could be on the ground because your building coverage is so limited to 90%.

572
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:06,430
You can't cover the whole lot with the building.

573
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:11,430
And so that's, I guess we're trying to make it over and above.

574
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:16,810
So the math worked and so yeah, and I would say then if it,

575
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:18,590
to get the challenge like there's a cause,

576
00:41:18,590 --> 00:41:20,970
but if it's open to the public, then it's down to five percent.

577
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:22,650
They're still five percent.

578
00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:23,250
The workbook.

579
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:31,870
I would just point out that my experience with the Department of Residences,

580
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:42,230
they've got security, they don't want anybody in the city to be able to come on to where they live and do as they please.

581
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:46,090
I don't disagree and I would say it's a fee simple project.

582
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:51,230
I'm not going to pay my HOA videos to let just anybody come in.

583
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:55,210
And it's the area that I'm paying to maintain.

584
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:56,790
I know the position.

585
00:41:57,450 --> 00:41:58,510
But so he is in.

586
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:01,050
But this, I mean, that's right.

587
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:02,230
There's privacy issues.

588
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:06,090
There's cost and in the back to making some of these projects work.

589
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:07,490
You're going to end up, Brian said,

590
00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:10,170
possibly was a penalty space on the roof for people who are going to be looking

591
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:12,590
to cut our key, which is not required,

592
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:15,590
but it comes to finding anything that's required,

593
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:18,930
and it may not be required in the code,

594
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:21,550
but it's still very much required to get cases fast.

595
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:24,630
Does there a definition of a menu space?

596
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:25,570
Yes.

597
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:26,870
You're good, isn't it?

598
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:27,770
Hold on.

599
00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:34,810
So, actually, because you want to help us enter it's.

600
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:38,050
And there.

601
00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:39,310
section.

602
00:42:41,570 --> 00:42:42,050
.

603
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:42,090
.

604
00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:42,330
.

605
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:43,330
.

606
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:47,690
So I just had to scroll on a little bit.

607
00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:42,670
So then specific moment tackles.

608
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:45,870
Two, six, nine, really.

609
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:47,510
I'm going to come that out directly.

610
00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:48,110
These things.

611
00:43:48,350 --> 00:43:49,370
I'm going to go.

612
00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:14,790
Okay.

613
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,760
Just to point out my other point again about.

614
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:23,200
12 story building.

615
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:24,620
You're going to have some air conditioning.

616
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:25,700
You know, it's up there.

617
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:28,240
You can try to.

618
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,160
Ram on as much as you want.

619
00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:37,300
But if you're covering 90% of a lot, and you can use a third of the route for your outdoor space,

620
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,640
because you got air conditioning units, so the other two thirds, I just don't see how

621
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,260
anybody could be able to do that.

622
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,660
I'd love to see somebody show me on a piece of paper how that could work.

623
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:56,350
Please do your leave for a minute,

624
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,930
space of is more of a...

625
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:14,520
Projects specific, because every project is going to be different based on the size, the space, the, the long, the availability, and I think I can guarantee you will lose units and drive reds on

626
00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:17,360
us.

627
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:23,440
All guarantee there is crack bill confident and I've seen three case studies flying it projects.

628
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:33,690
Other questions, Mr. Wood?

629
00:45:35,110 --> 00:45:35,630
So

630
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:41,650
let's say one more thing I think just in terms of again, I think there's a

631
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:52,710
kind of balance a lot of computer parts of this is that like I acknowledge like there is going to be right there is a cost with doing some of these things that impacts the cost of housing.

632
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:59,990
I think the trade-off that we have looked at through the code is the trade-off is the savings that you will get.

633
00:45:59,990 --> 00:46:05,230
I hopefully us moving more things from requiring a special use to a bike ride.

634
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:11,330
And so taking away the holding cause, the risk cause that goes in with having something

635
00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:17,410
for nine months a year or more. Again, it's exactly the one for one in the rest of the

636
00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:20,570
case, but I think that was some of the balance that we were looking at in terms of like if we're

637
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:22,930
going to make things more by right.

638
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:37,180
If you're one of the points you made it to the beginning and that is the goal for the zoning it's encouraged those things that you want and disparage things that you don't.

639
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:41,480
It sounds to me like if you're making it more expensive.

640
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:43,240
It feels.

641
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,180
You're discouraging that.

642
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:54,160
Yeah, and I'll say right this is the yes and of like we have heard I think pretty clear from the public that we want this zoning order.

643
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,800
to bring more green, to bring more vegetation, to bring more amenities to projects.

644
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,880
And so we're trying to figure out how to do that, but balancing the costings, you know,

645
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:11,280
and so I think that's, is a balancing things that we're stuck with.

646
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Well, I appreciate the knowledge about moving things through the group because of the

647
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:28,060
to P, but, you know, what's in these chapters is going to make the site plan, probably double.

648
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:30,780
And so it's great.

649
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:31,840
And it's going to look good.

650
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,400
We're going to have green or actual trees.

651
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:37,740
But it's going to come in a cost and I think it's going to be a real challenge to the site plan.

652
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:40,460
Which, it's not followed.

653
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,140
That's not a issue in P.R.

654
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Just put that up.

655
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:46,830
I have a question.

656
00:47:46,830 --> 00:47:51,490
That's more in relation to the conversation about the housing shortage that we have nationwide.

657
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:57,790
And you mentioned that, essentially, the fallout of housing in O.A. and how everyone just stopped building,

658
00:47:58,150 --> 00:48:02,970
to be know what the shortage was of households in O.A. compared to now.

659
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:05,270
There's that data point that we can find out.

660
00:48:06,070 --> 00:48:13,830
Let me go back, because I know there's some things I want to make sure I align some of the numbers that our housing and community development has been at.

661
00:48:14,570 --> 00:48:23,150
I know it's in, say, tens of thousands of range, but I just, I want to be able to come back with you for, like, the exact numbers of what they feel will be you are missing.

662
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:25,390
In the city of Richmond.

663
00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:25,710
In the city of Richmond.

664
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:27,590
It was a nation water at the city.

665
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:28,470
So the city.

666
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:32,090
I think that's a number of specific to the city.

667
00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:34,070
So I know we've talked about it before.

668
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:39,750
I feel in terms of one of the things that we feel the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

669
00:48:40,310 --> 00:48:46,470
What we're at in terms of like housing production, so like last, even putting, say, online,

670
00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:54,970
where between, I'll say on average about 2,500 units per year, this past fiscal year, we just finished up,

671
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:57,930
but actually put 3,000 so at the higher end of things.

672
00:48:59,130 --> 00:49:02,050
But in terms of, again, that's just a sake kind of keeping up.

673
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:06,650
It's not addressing like some of the deficit that's been out there, so I will, for the 15th

674
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:10,390
sure to get some most data points to show like how far I might need to catch up.

675
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:15,510
Do you have been also data points between single family and multi family? Yes.

676
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:24,030
So the housing, the way that it's set up with the primary and the accessory, do you think

677
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:27,450
that we're going to see? I know we're trying to solve for a problem, but I can see it's having an

678
00:49:27,450 --> 00:49:35,490
books of SUVPs, for subdividing a lot to try and accommodate for adding more units.

679
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:41,370
So are we solving a problem? Are we creating more work?

680
00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:42,710
Sure.

681
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:51,750
So I think, again, a goal is to be working on solving it.

682
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:57,070
So let me just come back up to like one of the residential detached areas.

683
00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:58,890
So I'll just pull out of my card AFV.

684
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,240
So, when you look at, you know, massing and the billings,

685
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:19,780
sorry, coverage, is that in most of the districts, like if you're going to do an

686
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:24,020
and it gets greater alignment of a lot of coverage.

687
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:25,600
So that you're able, right?

688
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,980
Whether you're adding on,

689
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:28,420
just do it inside your house, right?

690
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:29,140
It doesn't make a difference.

691
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:32,960
But if you're adding on or building a separate detached units,

692
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,960
there's an increase in all of his own districts

693
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,980
or allow a lot of coverage.

694
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:39,920
Then in terms of, like,

695
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,800
if you were to be in a space where you wanted to sell that,

696
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,280
instead of rent it,

697
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,420
there are provisions for doing sublining where you

698
00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:56,300
could, after creation of the drawing unit, create a sub-lot. So the zoning conditions like

699
00:50:56,300 --> 00:51:01,140
all the coverage still apply to all say the master a lot, but you could create a feast and

700
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:08,280
sub-lot to sell off as an administrative process. You would not have to go through

701
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:16,980
especially use permit to sell, I'll say now if you wanted to create a whole new fee symbol

702
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:21,440
lot with subject to like all these new requirements and you didn't be close to requirements.

703
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:27,220
You'd have to go through especially used to create that. But the intent was like, hey,

704
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:30,940
honest, lot if you're building an accessory unit, you shouldn't have to go through that process.

705
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,060
So that's why the sublock provision isn't that good.

706
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:42,260
Convertec or us is somewhat covered, Sarah. In your accounting for the square footage.

707
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:48,880
It doesn't matter that it's now converted because I would increase the allowable square footage for the EU.

708
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:53,560
Or are you saying it does not?

709
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:58,300
So let's say you have an existing house in a garage.

710
00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:00,280
I'm going to use this garage right now.

711
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,740
I want to convert the garage to the EU.

712
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,420
There's on a convert the garage, right?

713
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:06,320
Which then increases the footprint of the house.

714
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,160
Which then increases the potential footprint of the EU.

715
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,140
of an understanding in that role.

716
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:17,180
So like that is a garage attached to detached from out attached to

717
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:23,080
attached. So if you're attaching it, so the increase in

718
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:28,840
a lot of coverage is for whether that ADU is attached or detached.

719
00:52:29,460 --> 00:52:33,280
So it doesn't matter so you're still allowed to increase a lot of coverage because you added

720
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,080
that second unit to it.

721
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,640
So so you have a house that has a

722
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,740
to have a garage that is attached or you are right now.

723
00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:43,380
And then I just convert that garage into usable space.

724
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,360
It's not native, okay.

725
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,160
And then I add an ADU to the property.

726
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:49,860
I'm now increased the footprint,

727
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:52,860
which then increases the allowable ADU correct.

728
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:53,900
So it print as well.

729
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,860
Yeah, okay.

730
00:52:58,110 --> 00:53:01,390
Yeah, so part of it would be like,

731
00:53:02,690 --> 00:53:03,890
if you're in a garage right now

732
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:06,350
if it's conditioned and conditioned space,

733
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:07,710
counts in terms of coverage,

734
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:10,550
But like once you do, let's assume that wasn't.

735
00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:12,950
And it does move to a fully conditioned space.

736
00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:18,470
And yes, it would be increasing the area of your principle

737
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:19,610
to all you get it.

738
00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:23,270
So that, yes, therefore, you would be able to build a larger ADU.

739
00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:26,650
Again, still subject to the 1200 cap, the high cap,

740
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:27,970
the space coverage cap.

741
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:31,550
But yes, there would be some proportionality there.

742
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:32,570
That I'll answer.

743
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:34,410
your

744
00:53:46,510 --> 00:53:53,010
residential detached districts where you made the limit of one plus one correct.

745
00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:59,150
The detached, does that allow two principles to write?

746
00:53:59,630 --> 00:54:00,490
It does.

747
00:54:01,690 --> 00:54:03,630
I hope we understand the locking.

748
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:10,530
So that's going to have particularly,

749
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:19,530
Intentionally, the facts and the man, museum, district, Churchill, things of that notion.

750
00:54:20,530 --> 00:54:20,570
Maybe.

751
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:25,550
And I'll say maybe probably not.

752
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:28,730
I guess potential and maybe you're off this.

753
00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:29,130
Okay.

754
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:31,690
Well, so.

755
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:37,300
Just crash.

756
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:42,800
So if you talk about the residential.

757
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,120
No.

758
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:45,420
That's it.

759
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:31,870
The residential attach allows for two primary dwellings at this, but it's still also only allows for two dwelling units on a lot.

760
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:41,330
So what I'm saying by that is if you have a building, you can have two principal units, but then that's same built.

761
00:55:41,330 --> 00:55:47,990
If you build a second building, a detached building, it has to be an excess rate dwelling in it.

762
00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:57,430
You can not build a principle. You can not have two principal buildings on that one.

763
00:55:57,430 --> 00:56:00,890
They have to be two principal units in one block.

764
00:56:01,250 --> 00:56:07,910
So you could have, right, a 4,000 square foot building split into 2,000 square foot units.

765
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:16,710
If you do plus, you do plus, all right, you cannot have a 2,000 square foot building and then build another 2,000 square foot building.

766
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:22,850
It still have to apply to the stipulations for the accessory dwelling.

767
00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:25,470
So it's still only two units.

768
00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:29,470
The duplex can only happen again if they're both in the same building.

769
00:56:30,270 --> 00:56:34,950
So you cannot, if you have that duplex, you can also not add and natively, so you can't get to three.

770
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:36,490
So it's still two.

771
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:40,290
Part of, again, the thread is that most of the areas

772
00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:47,350
that are going into RA, are the R6, R7, R8, which

773
00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:49,550
allow for two units by right.

774
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:51,290
Again, there's the technicalities

775
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:54,210
and the weirdness about the lot coverage,

776
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:55,690
especially for attached units.

777
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:59,090
But most of those do have, as a start right now,

778
00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:00,950
the ability to do a duplex, so we're

779
00:57:00,950 --> 00:57:02,450
continuing that with the RA.

780
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:12,510
I'm guessing, but in the fan, probably 60% of the houses in the fan don't meet the

781
00:57:12,510 --> 00:57:13,750
R6 requirements.

782
00:57:15,570 --> 00:57:21,790
In the fan, so if you take a look at the core of the fan or the museum district, it's closer

783
00:57:21,790 --> 00:57:23,090
to 80%.

784
00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:30,600
So if you make that distinction between the attached and the detached,

785
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,420
you're allowing more

786
00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:43,520
lectures whereas on the detached year allowing a principal and an ADU strikes me that you're,

787
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:50,680
I don't understand why the difference. And why, that's why I think there's a potential

788
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:59,100
for a major effect in those districts like the fan museum, Churchill, maybe, Oregon, maybe.

789
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:12,100
Yeah. I think if you look, and again, part of the code is putting together, you know, what the current zoning is, but it's also looking like what exists on the ground.

790
00:58:12,220 --> 00:58:23,100
And if you look at the fabric, a lot of the areas that have RA, you'll see that there's been, that there are a lot of units that I'll say are like legally non-conforming doplexes.

791
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:31,100
But prior to, like I'll say, the added of 76 code, and even before that, like you've had,

792
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:39,040
I'll just say it's common for those buildings to go from one unit to two units or two units back to one unit.

793
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:47,220
And so in terms of the fabric that's there, the ability for somebody to, you know,

794
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:56,200
to two units. I think maybe just pre-establish the historic context of how those neighborhoods were, don't.

795
00:58:58,730 --> 00:59:14,830
I would suggest that many of the non-conforming uses in those areas that were built prior to World War II became non-conforming during World War II, because of the need for additional housing.

796
00:59:14,830 --> 00:59:18,970
Do you see this doing the same thing?

797
00:59:20,830 --> 00:59:30,510
I would say potentially, I think it's, you know, no secret in terms of like when I showed in terms of household sizes, like 73% are one and two people.

798
00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:38,770
And so if somebody has an opportunity that will look at a dwelling that has, you know, four bedrooms,

799
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:46,630
in one unit and be able to convert it into something that can house two households.

800
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:50,830
I think there may be a market section to do it.

801
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:56,010
And again at the end of the day, like it's going to be up to every individual property owner.

802
00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,950
All they want is their property and so whether they do or not.

803
01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:09,610
But I think in terms of that's one of the things that we were looking at when we look at the size of housing stock compared to the size of households.

804
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:17,610
I don't have a number for you, but there's a lot of unused bedrooms out there in terms of, like, how we efficiently use our space.

805
01:00:17,810 --> 01:00:23,650
And so I think the ability to look at either, and again, whether it's carving out a second unit.

806
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:36,730
I'll say, accessory dwelling unit in size, which they could buy right right to up to 1200 in the inside or today, they could do up to a third to just move that. So you could have two equal units.

807
01:00:37,770 --> 01:00:49,850
I think, yeah, I mean, fits in in terms of like recognizing post road more or two right there is a definite demand for a lot of housing very quickly. And I think part of this is is responding to that.

808
01:00:49,850 --> 01:01:01,010
And the same aspect, I think what you will see is, you know, still at the end of the day, like preservation of the existing housing stuff, again,

809
01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:04,530
more of things that people get at the RKG analysis when it looked at demolitions.

810
01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:08,750
And while they now see that they did, you know, as back when you can actually have three units,

811
01:01:09,330 --> 01:01:11,790
like they just weren't a lot of demolitions in the sit.

812
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:16,350
And so they found like it didn't make financial sense to do some of that.

813
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:23,910
And so I think you'll see the creation of housing units but not through like the demolition of existing ones today.

814
01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:43,240
I'm moving on to ability to take church property in residential areas and have a specific example in line.

815
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:56,300
There's a church there that owns six different lots, basically from Wilmington to Luburm,

816
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,460
pretty much half of the block.

817
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,100
And then they have another lot across the street.

818
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:14,440
Where are they going to be able to technically, with where you got the Zionist established

819
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:19,040
or proposed. What will they be able to do there? Sure.

820
01:02:24,070 --> 01:02:28,150
So, there's a matter of fact, just to be clear,

821
01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:47,870
I don't think that church is going anywhere. They're going gangbusters, but they bought it from

822
01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:50,850
and I like the self-side of, is it?

823
01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:51,750
And what's the value?

824
01:02:52,850 --> 01:02:54,030
These parcels right here?

825
01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:54,730
Yep.

826
01:02:55,810 --> 01:02:58,370
And I can give up.

827
01:02:58,410 --> 01:03:01,050
Commissioner Ford's question is specifically to what

828
01:03:01,050 --> 01:03:03,050
there's a lot of the city that stretches.

829
01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:05,730
They're going to have a whole different by right

830
01:03:05,730 --> 01:03:07,730
to enabling the authority state.

831
01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:09,610
Sounds.

832
01:03:10,070 --> 01:03:10,290
All right.

833
01:03:12,130 --> 01:03:16,590
This does not address that legislation.

834
01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:20,230
and there may be forthcoming legislation

835
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,590
that city or a code of Virginia,

836
01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:25,690
that city has an option to produce a local ordinance

837
01:03:25,690 --> 01:03:27,870
that would be the attempt of it.

838
01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:29,470
I'll just say we've discussed it internally,

839
01:03:29,710 --> 01:03:31,590
but there's not in this.

840
01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:33,970
So I'm just making sure for the public listening

841
01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:37,570
that, you know, we'll be opened up for more opportunity.

842
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:39,090
Without a doubt.

843
01:03:39,090 --> 01:03:40,190
Without cover brush.

844
01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:40,810
Without a bit.

845
01:03:40,810 --> 01:03:41,470
That is correct.

846
01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:45,290
So this right now, there are two parcels.

847
01:03:45,290 --> 01:03:53,390
And just so I'm absolutely clear right like all the RM districts do allow places of worship and assembly uses like to continue.

848
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:55,730
So we're not zoning any of those uses out.

849
01:03:56,090 --> 01:03:57,290
They have two parcels.

850
01:03:58,110 --> 01:04:00,170
Each of those parcels is owned RMA.

851
01:04:00,730 --> 01:04:07,150
So on this parcel, they could have up to 4 billion units and on this parcel, they could have up to 4 billion.

852
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:08,090
That's what we're going to be allowed.

853
01:04:08,530 --> 01:04:12,030
One of the changes also from draft to his red line.

854
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:17,150
it's on the south side of Wilmington. This one, the on this one too. Yeah. The same

855
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:24,270
things are M.A. Some of those are more about the altitude on the north side. Right now I have

856
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:27,470
three parcels for them. One, two, three.

857
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,680
I think quite soon. Okay. Two, I'm a north side of Wilmington.

858
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:42,920
One, two, south side of Wilmington. So three parcels. As it rates now, each of those parcels

859
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,120
What'll allow up to four draw units?

860
01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:48,780
They own the ones on LeBarnham, too.

861
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,160
Don't hear?

862
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:51,960
Oh, let us up on.

863
01:04:52,020 --> 01:04:53,240
Oh, going up, that's LeBarnham.

864
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:54,840
LeBarnham, how go north?

865
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:56,680
Up here?

866
01:04:56,820 --> 01:04:57,740
Yeah, LeBarnham.

867
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:59,240
Yes, those three there.

868
01:04:59,460 --> 01:04:59,680
Sure.

869
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,380
Is our D.V., just a still-a-tached one plus one, unit plus and eighty?

870
01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:15,760
I'm just trying to do anything other than basically understand.

871
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:23,820
Sure. What you've goal is in putting specific rules with respect to that.

872
01:05:23,860 --> 01:05:27,880
Yeah. I will say, just for clarity, one of the games.

873
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,840
multiple churches around the city that are having trouble survive.

874
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:41,240
Yeah. So again, I think the thought back again in the next three was to like look, provide

875
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:46,080
back up. One of the reasons we looked at places of worship was really from all

876
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:52,260
safetyography and that they are some of the largest land owners in some neighborhoods and

877
01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:55,560
or there's sometimes, like, at strategic corners, or as your corners.

878
01:05:56,380 --> 01:06:01,340
So if you were to introduce any type of like housing product,

879
01:06:01,540 --> 01:06:04,160
I'll say that's denser than what exists in the community,

880
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:07,020
or you weren't introduced any type of commercial,

881
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,500
like these would probably be more appropriate places to do.

882
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,700
So, again, that next story probably went too far.

883
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:21,600
And so with the RMB, it allows for units for a lot of change

884
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:26,560
from 2 to 3 is in the RMs and draft 2.

885
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:29,700
It's said number of units per building.

886
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:35,140
In draft 3, it's number of units per building and number of units per locked.

887
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,640
And that is to be much more clear about like,

888
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,500
ultimately, like how many units could you see here.

889
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,220
So for, you know, the one that's on Brook itself,

890
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,420
like the sanctuary building,

891
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,420
I can house four units.

892
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,740
You can build a four plex outside.

893
01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:52,700
It could build four row homes, again,

894
01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:54,040
like meeting some of the other requirements,

895
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,320
like there's two duplexes, but a max of four

896
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,140
dwelling units on that plot.

897
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,900
If it's a larger lot, and say you wanted to do more

898
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:07,260
than that, well, then you have to go through a subdivision process.

899
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,760
Some subdivision process, again,

900
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,180
in most cases, under 50, right, is administrative,

901
01:07:12,860 --> 01:07:16,500
but then I'll say like the check and balance on that is,

902
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:19,020
that's a review by city agencies to make sure there's

903
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:24,460
That's an infrastructure about like creating new lots and being able to to serve us all of those.

904
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:32,520
So I think this was a way to try and balance the ability to write, do more survive or, again,

905
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:39,500
I was in products that didn't others exist in a way that, again, stayed with some context and the neighborhoods.

906
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:46,210
And that's why we're going back to the RMs, which I think you can see right in some of the neighborhoods like how they

907
01:07:46,210 --> 01:07:52,430
show up generally right places of worship and up being of Zara's.

908
01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:57,410
Thank you.

909
01:07:57,810 --> 01:08:05,050
One of the major factor of our penance of Richmond 300 was preservation of existing

910
01:08:05,050 --> 01:08:09,690
paper. Both residential and commercial.

911
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:16,290
You feel the buffers that are currently proposed along broad, main,

912
01:08:16,290 --> 01:08:23,610
carry in a poultry or sufficient to protect the existing building, the existing businesses

913
01:08:24,330 --> 01:08:25,890
in the existing residential.

914
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:31,290
You define what you mean by buffers?

915
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:34,010
Well, setbacks.

916
01:08:34,810 --> 01:08:34,850
Sure.

917
01:08:37,330 --> 01:08:37,910
Yes.

918
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:41,350
If you look at

919
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:47,780
what the section year

920
01:08:58,530 --> 01:09:01,130
in section,

921
01:09:01,130 --> 01:09:05,250
section 4.4 if you look at

922
01:09:07,940 --> 01:09:08,360
this.

923
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,560
So this talks about transitions and screening and

924
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:33,980
in short the chart shows how much transition and how much screening you need between

925
01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:42,200
two different zoning districts and premise is like the greater part they are the more

926
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:49,080
there are like the more transitions stuff unique, the more space, the more trees, or in some cases,

927
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:56,920
the more setback, setback you need on buildings. And so in cases where you have, I'll say,

928
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,640
right, Mx5 and out.

929
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:11,940
Right? Because most residential districts, right, still have a three story, high limit. Again, contextual standards, but like, there's nothing else there are three stories. So I'm x3.

930
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,460
Mixed match with those, it's just an A standard, which I'll show is just generally just like some spacing or screening.

931
01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:25,540
A B standard is like really like deep separation, and then the C standard is both, but also has some context on the building.

932
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:33,460
If you look at, right, so A is just, hey, like a little separation, but your buildings are going to kind of be generally the same height.

933
01:10:33,940 --> 01:10:42,120
B is like a little more space and a little thicker screen in there, and then C is where you get into actually stepping back buildings.

934
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,500
And so this is very requires, and again,

935
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,500
difference is whether or not there's an alley or not,

936
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:51,460
so you'll come for alley width, but it's set back.

937
01:10:52,060 --> 01:10:55,880
And then as the building goes up, once you get,

938
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,180
you have to have that first set back

939
01:10:58,180 --> 01:11:01,280
and in terms of what can, I'll say, be right at the line

940
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,540
is only three stories.

941
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,220
And there has to be 15 feet before you can go up to five stories.

942
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:10,700
And another 15 feet before you can get the rest,

943
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:16,820
which is 7.30 or 7.30, and so this, I think, helps to have some of that spacing.

944
01:11:18,820 --> 01:11:22,460
It's very similar to what's in the TOD1 right now.

945
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,660
It tries to make the math easier than it's set of it in quite plain, but just having some

946
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:32,240
straight numbers, which have been difficult right when the lot is not exactly straight.

947
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:42,240
But this conversation is a one on broad and grace, as far as what the separation was between

948
01:11:44,620 --> 01:11:48,600
broads, POD and the residential on grade.

949
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,220
Do you feel like this is better?

950
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,680
Or just easier to do the math?

951
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:56,160
It's both.

952
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,600
So I think it's better.

953
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:13,460
And as easier to know the math, I think the other thing, if you look particularly at broad street itself and the angle, we did do some preliminary shadow modeling,

954
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:27,100
I think there was concerns about shadows, and actually the majority of shadows get cast because of the orientation of the street and the way to say like can't change the sun's orbit, please not yet.

955
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:33,920
Most of the shadows get cast to the west, not to the south, and I would say the extreme

956
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,560
test, right?

957
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:42,580
When the sun is on the furthest north at the Solstice and June very early on, like tested

958
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:47,680
that, the shadows are going west, maybe a little bit into the alley, but they're not casting

959
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:48,380
degrees.

960
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:49,500
two

961
01:12:52,120 --> 01:13:02,320
more questions. As you know, I'm not represented from the borders on appeals. I was trying to find

962
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:14,990
are all of the current special exceptions that exist today, including in that section of

963
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:25,350
Yes. So all the ones are in there today. We have discussed in this very going through

964
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:36,290
to go to 6 to 0.8. As we start talking about some of that

965
01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:46,990
raises and exceptions.

966
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:50,970
And so

967
01:13:50,970 --> 01:13:59,320
talking about things in terms of both the perspective of the zoning atmosphere, but also the

968
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,400
board of zoning appeals, all of the ones that we're in that we do currently have all over.

969
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:12,050
Talked about potentially going, there might be, I think there might be,

970
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,460
do you know might be messing in from the,

971
01:14:21,820 --> 01:14:24,980
so it goes to charter as

972
01:14:29,180 --> 01:14:35,880
as some variance rules and also some specific rules for city owned properties.

973
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,660
I just couldn't find where that was.

974
01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:43,220
But you're comfortable that all of that's included.

975
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,500
Yes, and I will say part of our review at the city of Ternayas,

976
01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:54,420
for diving into some of the sections about parents' exceptions to make sure we go to the

977
01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:59,260
and also those charter provisions so that all those things that we can do will be there.

978
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:07,880
I just want to make sure they're there because, as you know, I feel like that, that forward.

979
01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:15,120
Going pretty tight shift and I don't want to lose what they're able to do there.

980
01:15:15,380 --> 01:15:24,540
I think you made mentioned earlier in one of your comments that you might be looking for the BGA to be able to help make this easier.

981
01:15:24,540 --> 01:15:32,800
Right. And so that's one of the things in terms of where you've discussed some sections where, again,

982
01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:38,840
regular city attorneys office to determine what those the eligible to be either what,

983
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:45,920
some type of variance or exception. To see if there's paths forward to that right.

984
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,160
And you think you've got to have to go through a special use permit case to do some things.

985
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:56,680
And so, yes, that is something that I'll say between this and the final version for introduction.

986
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,400
Well, I'm going to make sure that this is code of Virginia compliance and as all the things that we need.

987
01:16:03,980 --> 01:16:05,260
But that is one of the administrative perspective.

988
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:08,560
I want to make sure that, again, as we talk about some of these challenges,

989
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,700
like ours are ways to get exceptions without having to go through that, that BDA process.

990
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,420
In form-based regulations apply to the old and historic districts?

991
01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:27,800
Yes, and so in terms of, like, right, the things that talk about, like, forms of the building.

992
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,440
Yes, to...

993
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,980
I just couldn't find the distinction on that.

994
01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:39,220
Yeah, I mean, yes, to the extent that's common.

995
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,040
I'll say, they don't get in the way of car rules.

996
01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:47,340
I think we're trying to make that more explicit.

997
01:16:47,980 --> 01:16:55,560
And again, in the verbiage that the language for,

998
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,060
say, won't historic districts,

999
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,220
and actually has like the teeth, and then is to have to make sure

1000
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:09,200
that that board can, you know,

1001
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:18,200
and historic district. So I'll say in terms of like being able to, if there's a conflict between

1002
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:24,460
like the base form regulations and car that car would be able to prove it. As far as I'm

1003
01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:28,800
going as like I think the way we've looked at it, like a lot of the form regulations are

1004
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:35,900
just like basic urban form regulations that are not going to be really out of sync with like things

1005
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:38,060
that like cars looking for in historic homes,

1006
01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:39,800
like they're, I'll say for the most part,

1007
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:41,740
historic urban principles over time,

1008
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:44,180
but just like doors windows it's facing,

1009
01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:48,620
that I don't think in a way, again, like,

1010
01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:50,500
maybe I don't think we have,

1011
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,160
but just say we'd have some less districts,

1012
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:55,160
that like has no windows anything.

1013
01:17:56,300 --> 01:17:57,280
Maybe it's helpful in there,

1014
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:58,820
but like right for the most part,

1015
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:02,200
are districts, you know, are in line

1016
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:03,960
with just those basic form requirements.

1017
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:22,960
One last thing, you made mention of the conditional use permits, you perceive them as providing more flexibility and encouraging more

1018
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,000
So rather than they ask you this special instrument.

1019
01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:29,600
I'm going to say yes.

1020
01:18:30,220 --> 01:18:36,620
I think in terms of the ability to condition that oral limits

1021
01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:40,640
is a huge advantage or a special use permit.

1022
01:18:41,340 --> 01:18:43,120
And I think it's in some cases,

1023
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,260
but some of the difficult special use permits

1024
01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:47,000
be wrestled with here.

1025
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,580
If there were a conditional use permit option,

1026
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,140
maybe it would have moved forward, but there wasn't.

1027
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:58,460
and so we can't make one up and then so I think that it will be something that provides

1028
01:18:59,980 --> 01:19:06,820
you know just better flexibility and better appliance and better I'll say recourse if things

1029
01:19:06,820 --> 01:19:11,400
don't go well in terms of courting of one. Yes there's recourse with especially use

1030
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:22,120
permit. I'll say like the process has a left versus you know initially use permit that has

1031
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:28,300
that early, but like at the end of the day, like council would be under no obligation to do

1032
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:29,040
a no one.

1033
01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:39,480
The question? Yeah, the hot pandemic. Then you just touch on on that a little bit more,

1034
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:48,300
what do you envision swapping out the conditionals with SUVs? Like what is an example of a case

1035
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:52,660
And by the way, should you now let's move to the condition?

1036
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,740
I think SUP is our good.

1037
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,020
We're like getting over form requirements and getting over things that like really aren't going to change much, right?

1038
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:16,260
So when you talk about like the placement of the envelope of a building, like generally right, you all book a new building is going to last 50, 75, 100 years.

1039
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:29,300
There it is, right? When we talk about uses of like saying, okay, this is a restaurant use or like, I mean, I can bring up the case in terms of.

1040
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:34,640
You know, blabbering or help, right, where we talked about, like, what is this, and it's

1041
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,020
event space, and so like, how do you define some of those things? And again,

1042
01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:45,780
try to think about it long term that if you allow for this use to be codified through a

1043
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:50,880
NSUP, like it's going to remain in perpetuity. And so regardless of operator, right, they're going

1044
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:56,580
to pass on those rights to somebody in the future. I think what you can do, or

1045
01:20:56,580 --> 01:21:19,300
With a conditional use permit is like, again, the biggest thing I think is in terms of like the temporal piece of it, but then additional conditions that either one you can have some pre-baked in the ordinance, which some of these do for example for small retail commercial in residential areas right there already starts out saying your condition is you know, it's limiting your hours between.

1046
01:21:20,340 --> 01:21:26,220
And so there's some expectation of like I kind of know what I'm getting into within the ability.

1047
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:33,480
Again, based on, I'll say, a warrant, add more conditions to make sure like that thing does what it's supposed to do.

1048
01:21:33,820 --> 01:21:37,440
And so I just think the condition I use and you see it right now.

1049
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:42,800
I'll say for a handful of uses right that are current code.

1050
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,980
It tells us like our, my clubs, some adult uses, right?

1051
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:51,800
Like it's a, it's a tighter, I'll say, you know,

1052
01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:55,740
all that creating case, something else happens to it.

1053
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:01,100
And so it's like, as we discussed, why couldn't we use that process,

1054
01:22:01,140 --> 01:22:05,780
or that tool to do more uses where like the black and more notes are potential

1055
01:22:05,780 --> 01:22:07,580
to like have something that great.

1056
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:15,440
haven't. Thank you. Looking back at a few previous drafts, I noticed some corridors have been

1057
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:21,020
absolved, you know, the next three to the next four in such. Was that based entirely off of

1058
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:31,860
public feedback or staff decision based off of some, have a metric? Yeah. So I will say, if we look at

1059
01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:35,620
I'm going to put up

1060
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:47,420
the biggest thing I think was really looking at,

1061
01:22:53,500 --> 01:23:05,160
maybe I'm going to pull it up, but really starting with like Richmond 300, that look at, okay, these corridors, these corridors generally had one of the more intense just categories.

1062
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:11,300
So they had either a community mixed use or a corridor mixed use.

1063
01:23:12,340 --> 01:23:15,320
And so again, right then we're saying,

1064
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:16,760
very quickly if I get these wrong,

1065
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:17,880
but community mixed use,

1066
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,500
so I think it was like up to six stories and corridor mixed use

1067
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:23,080
was up to ten stories,

1068
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:24,700
saying like look,

1069
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:25,640
the future land use,

1070
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,460
like we're good with kind of like this intensity

1071
01:23:28,460 --> 01:23:31,020
and density of development along these corridors.

1072
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:34,640
Now the zoning that gets us there

1073
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,920
doesn't have to go to the VAX and every situation.

1074
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,140
And areas where maybe there is more vacancy

1075
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:45,020
or more parking lots or more things that are,

1076
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:48,780
say, more of a blank slate, and I'll say,

1077
01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:50,480
also have the infrastructure that's ready,

1078
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:53,600
then maybe you do so, something like more appropriately,

1079
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:59,060
like MX-7 or MX-13, or an areas,

1080
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:00,640
and I think this is what some of the conversation

1081
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:06,380
around like corridors like Maine or Kerry or parts of Jefferson, and it's like, yes, there's

1082
01:24:06,380 --> 01:24:13,500
high transit activity there, but existing stock is like two stories. And so we're going to

1083
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:20,200
start with an MX3. I kind of like, again, I think it lies as what is there. Maybe if you have

1084
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:26,640
X5 on big and parcels to kind of fill in there, but that's not necessarily at a place where we want

1085
01:24:28,540 --> 01:24:31,800
It's kind of say, hey, we're ready for that level of development.

1086
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:36,320
Now with that, that's where I'll say the SUP process still comes in, and on these corridors,

1087
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,860
like, sure, as plants, as you can put a six-story building there, or a 10-story building there,

1088
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:45,220
but if we're going to do it, then we're going to have a little bit more nuanced conversation

1089
01:24:45,220 --> 01:24:46,520
about how that works.

1090
01:24:46,660 --> 01:24:51,080
So that was the balance with, I'll say, some of those corridors is trying to figure out,

1091
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:59,920
Yeah, looking at the master, looking at the land use plan and the master plan is kind of the ceiling, like how far it is.

1092
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,840
The zone of zoning bring us there in terms of, like, buy right development.

1093
01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:10,060
Thank you. May you talk a little bit earlier about the transit corridor, I don't even quite, as

1094
01:25:10,060 --> 01:25:18,480
what you mentioned as far as protections from them being demolished. You were touching a little bit on that.

1095
01:25:18,860 --> 01:25:26,000
Um, separate protections, or I couldn't quite agree. Yeah. So what I was saying in terms of I was referring to

1096
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,200
to some of the analyses that are sub-consultant did,

1097
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,460
when it looked at like, okay, if we zoom in this way

1098
01:25:35,460 --> 01:25:36,960
and looking at the zoning districts

1099
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,100
and how we applied them across the city,

1100
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:42,060
like what's going to happen in terms of

1101
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:45,400
lots splitting, housing production and demolitions.

1102
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:50,160
And what I'll say is like the analysis found

1103
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,340
that there just wasn't a lot of demolition happening

1104
01:25:53,340 --> 01:26:00,420
in the city. In terms of, I think a few things, one demolition is expensive. And so, you know,

1105
01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:04,360
if you're going to demolish something, you need to be able to recoup those costs and what you

1106
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,580
build back. And so, you know, if you're spending now kind of like twice that amount,

1107
01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:12,420
could you get twice that amount out of it, either in sales or rent in the future, in

1108
01:26:12,420 --> 01:26:20,540
most cases like hand, and so I'll say what it showed in that analysis was like, yeah,

1109
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,640
there'll be still some demolitions in the city, but the number that they were looking at,

1110
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:30,460
like isn't really any higher than the demolitions that we see today, like last fiscal year,

1111
01:26:30,580 --> 01:26:36,260
we did, I think, Haiti, some demolitions across the city, and this was pretty, I think,

1112
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:37,940
I don't know that's a signature.

1113
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,280
In previous draft, there was an attempt

1114
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,380
to address displacement with the preservation bonus.

1115
01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:51,720
So what type of tools are in this draft, too?

1116
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:53,080
Sure.

1117
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,460
Preservation bonus is gone.

1118
01:26:57,140 --> 01:27:01,400
And that's really because it was intended, right, as a incentive

1119
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,540
if you wanted to go from two to three,

1120
01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:07,500
you need to keep the two in mind to get that there.

1121
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:13,060
So now since we're basically at one plus one for most districts,

1122
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,160
it's essentially where we're at today.

1123
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,100
And so that I'll say tool wasn't made it.

1124
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,620
I think really what helps is a few things.

1125
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:24,880
One is zoning appropriately.

1126
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:28,280
So trying to look at again, what is on the ground,

1127
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:29,620
especially in residential neighborhoods,

1128
01:27:29,860 --> 01:27:32,080
it being able to legalize what's there.

1129
01:27:32,080 --> 01:28:00,540
But when you add in something like contextual height, I think if you look at areas that might have, right, smaller homes that are only, you know, rancher one and a half stories that if contextual height now says, okay, if I come into this neighborhood and I say, why don't you hear this house down like all I could build is like two stories or two and a half stories like I can't get much more than what's there. So I think there's a balance in terms of allowing for development.

1130
01:28:00,540 --> 01:28:09,800
But again, like there's not incentive to like, oh, I can go in and build like, you know, a big house or like multiple units, right, I can only kind of get what's there.

1131
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:28,540
And again, going back to like mapping correctly, I think that is one of the things we like at some of the corridors and one of them is Chamberlain is that in a lot of other transit corridors, I get provided some up zoning the north part of Chamberlain north, like broken part boulevard is basically zone the kind of capture once there and allow what's there.

1132
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:48,660
As we talk about bus traffic transit coming up in this area, there's some different entities that are looking at, you know, from a housing perspective, like how do we make sure we have a lot of naturally occurring affordable housing there like we don't set the table to push a lot of developments and potentially displacement.

1133
01:28:48,660 --> 01:28:55,120
And I'll just say like the last thing is, thinking about those kind of talk about,

1134
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:00,560
I'll say like, physical displacement, like somebody actually coming in and like tear it down something and pushing you out.

1135
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:06,500
I think the other thing in terms of like economic displacement or something that's indirect is, right?

1136
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:15,060
I get to a space because like the prices in my neighborhood keep going up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and it's really tough to like live here now.

1137
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:36,120
There's a whole set of tools I think like city council spend discussing in terms of like what it can use but I think from a zoning perspective is in what ways from a supply side can we bring the ability to do housing units in some of those areas to soak up some of that demand that's coming there so if you look along like the corridors like can we build a lot more housing here in these areas.

1138
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:41,360
or in other parts of the city or nearby that like soak up that demand for that neighborhood

1139
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,360
and new housing units instead of pushing in on to some of the existing ones and so I'll say

1140
01:29:46,900 --> 01:29:50,900
you think synthetic can like it's working to bring supply to help balance of

1141
01:29:51,940 --> 01:29:53,440
as long as economic challenges.

1142
01:30:00,210 --> 01:30:23,010
Do you want to? I don't have a question. Well, first I have one question and one, I don't know, praise. I really appreciate the contextual peace that's in us and the world that hopefully that will play in preventing certain demolitions.

1143
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:28,110
My question isn't so much about the code

1144
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:31,190
about what's in the document right now,

1145
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:34,510
but what are the next steps after this?

1146
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:36,890
Sure.

1147
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:41,390
So what we need to do is,

1148
01:30:41,390 --> 01:30:44,850
I think in terms of where this third draft is,

1149
01:30:45,170 --> 01:30:46,510
is having,

1150
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:50,590
feeling like this is probably,

1151
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:55,070
I'll say, from a staff perspective, I think we've really,

1152
01:30:55,070 --> 01:30:57,410
And that's why we take a long time, right, as to really trying

1153
01:30:57,410 --> 01:31:02,890
to get to this compromise document, the way this is a document that we would

1154
01:31:02,890 --> 01:31:08,270
like to be able to bring forward through a formal adaption process with that.

1155
01:31:08,290 --> 01:31:10,770
There's still maybe some tweaks to it.

1156
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:14,110
So like stuff we've talked about today, in terms of like the development standards

1157
01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:18,610
or obviously like clinical errors or things, maybe on the map that we might

1158
01:31:18,610 --> 01:31:19,210
have missed.

1159
01:31:20,010 --> 01:31:24,190
But for that process, this body and I think what we're looking at potentially

1160
01:31:24,190 --> 01:31:29,430
for the next meeting is a resolution of intent that planning commission needs to have a resolution

1161
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:32,570
to say we're going to amend the zoning ordinance.

1162
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:38,150
In this case, we are going to amend human replace the zoning ordinance, what's something to do?

1163
01:31:38,170 --> 01:31:39,350
Is that our next meeting?

1164
01:31:40,010 --> 01:31:46,590
I was likely, and so what that does is it formally authorizes a process to do so.

1165
01:31:47,190 --> 01:31:51,510
And so that could, I mean, I mean, I could have been done and I'll say like at any time or

1166
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:56,090
but it just needs to be done before anything is formally considered.

1167
01:31:57,350 --> 01:32:04,610
And once that is done, then that turns on a green light for us to prepare a final

1168
01:32:04,610 --> 01:32:11,510
for events or introduction that council would introduce it and they would send it to this body

1169
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:17,850
and this body would deliberate and make a recommendation to city council and then city council

1170
01:32:17,850 --> 01:32:20,090
with DelMora, Bray, and Vodafi?

1171
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:31,050
Is there time built into the rest of that process for any more public engagement?

1172
01:32:32,330 --> 01:32:32,590
Yeah.

1173
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:42,010
I would say our engagement shifted a little bit in terms of, I think, our role is educating

1174
01:32:42,850 --> 01:32:49,890
on what is in this draft, but if this is going to be somewhat of the product that moves through

1175
01:32:49,890 --> 01:32:55,990
the process, it's working with our colleagues on council and council members to like get them

1176
01:32:55,990 --> 01:33:03,190
in the process and really I'll say for those who do watch changes and sorry if it's going to

1177
01:33:03,190 --> 01:33:09,230
start over your email inboxes but to like to be directing them towards planning commission and

1178
01:33:09,230 --> 01:33:15,530
in terms of, like, we love it, we don't love it, we don't want to see these changes, and so

1179
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:25,230
Tulsaid, the shift is moving from, I'll say, us and PDR, towards those bodies that are

1180
01:33:25,230 --> 01:33:30,050
ultimately going to make a recommendation and approval of it. So I think it's really important that

1181
01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:35,350
I think, you know, both, you have to be a pencil myself and some of our staff are like,

1182
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:40,290
We are making the rounds, but civic associations are making the rounds, but that console

1183
01:33:41,370 --> 01:33:45,190
district meetings to really kind of, you know, importantly, I think go through and like

1184
01:33:45,190 --> 01:33:49,150
right talk about what is and what isn't in here, because there's a lot of this information

1185
01:33:49,690 --> 01:33:53,050
that's going around and so to just cut through and answer questions, right?

1186
01:33:53,070 --> 01:33:57,650
To go through, make it so mental, for like just walk through hypothetical, like if I have this

1187
01:33:57,650 --> 01:33:58,490
going to do this.

1188
01:33:58,990 --> 01:34:04,130
And so in terms of some of that engagement, I'll say it's shifting towards now having those responses

1189
01:34:04,130 --> 01:34:05,990
go to this body and council.

1190
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:09,220
Thank you.

1191
01:34:12,940 --> 01:34:16,100
I should have opened earlier with thank you and Marianne and

1192
01:34:16,100 --> 01:34:19,720
Augusta for all the work that you've been doing on this note's going to go back and this song always

1193
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:26,580
been fun and I appreciate that you're continuing to do particularly because of how much misinformation

1194
01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:32,340
and false information that's out there and attempt to scare people so I know that you don't have

1195
01:34:32,340 --> 01:34:37,740
an easy task in front of you. I do have a question and if it's in this document then I've ever

1196
01:34:37,740 --> 01:34:42,400
looked at and kept it asleep the exact. But what is the process for implementation?

1197
01:34:43,060 --> 01:34:47,600
It's one of this has passed on console. There's obviously you're going to have SCPs and

1198
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:59,920
applications that have been introduced prior to passage, staff, and all departments. It's going to

1199
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,440
Board, but applications up to a certain date were under the old ordinance and then after a date, they went under the new. That's something that you've discussed.

1200
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:26,100
We have discussed. We have not decided. I will say there will be likely some delayed implementation to allow us to, like, internally, right calibrate and get all of our systems in place. So we know how to do that, but also in fairness, right?

1201
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:30,000
for the public, or property owners, like right under what's

1202
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,180
auspices they're working.

1203
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,740
So it will not be effective upon adoption.

1204
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:40,320
But also, like, not be a year out that it takes us into it.

1205
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:42,480
And so we're just like, you know, like with that, right,

1206
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,840
the time frame period is, I'm just going to say,

1207
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,360
like ballpark, it's probably in the range of, like,

1208
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,760
I'll just say 90 days.

1209
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,460
Just in terms of right enough time to, like,

1210
01:35:53,460 --> 01:35:55,720
be able to get there, but also not so much time

1211
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,960
that it's like, why are we still operating for the old system?

1212
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:00,320
I appreciate that.

1213
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:03,540
And I think it might be helpful for applicants to know,

1214
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,500
if I have filed or if I file by this date,

1215
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,400
I'm under this work that's after this date,

1216
01:36:09,740 --> 01:36:12,040
I'm under the new ordinance, because there needs to be someone

1217
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,380
who'll have certainty in where it's what you're going to be weighed against.

1218
01:36:14,980 --> 01:36:16,420
So if there's just a 90-day delay,

1219
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,440
it's like an annual one of my filed three months ago.

1220
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:23,500
It seems to have worked in other localities

1221
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:28,140
have adopted ordinances, although I've not been an applicant, but I can seem to work

1222
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:31,100
working group discussions.

1223
01:36:34,370 --> 01:36:38,450
Yes. That's it. The other just wanted to follow up. You

1224
01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:45,470
outbound outline the process. But ideally, the best case scenario, when would this come back

1225
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:52,270
or the final after the council introduces it? They're sending council introduced it. I'm

1226
01:36:52,270 --> 01:36:58,770
been done, more working than you would probably see it sometime this calendar year.

1227
01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:04,960
Lots of a long meeting in front of pizza.

1228
01:37:09,730 --> 01:37:10,330
Yep.

1229
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:11,890
Yeah.

1230
01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:14,610
And I think that part of it in terms of like the discussion.

1231
01:37:15,010 --> 01:37:21,510
Can I talk about process and then you and all those things all in that?

1232
01:37:23,710 --> 01:37:25,330
Anything else?

1233
01:37:25,610 --> 01:37:27,490
Council action up to.

1234
01:37:28,190 --> 01:37:38,370
So don't have a council action update. They meet on the 14th right before our 15th meeting. So far on September 15th, we've had York road continued this evening.

1235
01:37:39,170 --> 01:37:46,470
There's also a problem on an overbrook road. This is where the hospital is that is slated for the 15th. It was continued then.

1236
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:51,530
And then I'm hearing now potentially we'll see a resolution intended for code refresh.

1237
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:56,850
and then council will meet the day before that, and so you guys will have lots of information

1238
01:37:56,850 --> 01:38:01,870
at the next meeting, and then just as a reminder, because it is in the roles of procedure,

1239
01:38:02,510 --> 01:38:06,530
please either email me or give me a call back. I'm not doing it to be annoying. I'm required

1240
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:12,510
to call you in the day of the meeting, so please just try to, so email or give me a call back

1241
01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:15,550
to you confirm attendants if you're.

1242
01:38:15,610 --> 01:38:16,610
Those are my updates.

1243
01:38:19,870 --> 01:38:22,710
I will be sure to leave a voice now.

1244
01:38:23,810 --> 01:38:27,730
Do you think further than anyone wants to bring up?

1245
01:38:28,130 --> 01:38:29,250
I think I'll be very much.