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Call the meeting to order. This is the Township River Lakes Regular Meeting of the Council.

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It's Monday, March the 3rd, 2025. It is 6 p.m. and we're in the municipal office in Chantry.

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And a couple of items I want to mention. First of all, I want to thank members of the public

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for attending and showing interest in local government. Secondly, I want to acknowledge

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the recent provincial election that we had and congratulate Premier Ford on this re-election

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and our MVP, Steve Clark, but I also want to thank and congratulate all the candidates

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that were willing to put their name forward because it's always a challenge and it's

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good to keep our democratic process going.

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And I also want to note the selection of Allison Gibson to the Student Council for

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the Upper Canada District School Board.

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So she'll be one of two students that represent all the schools under the Upper Canada

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District School Board.

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So congratulations to one of our own Allison Gibson.

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With that, I will move on to the land acknowledgement statement.

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The Township of the Lakes acknowledges

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that we live and work in a meeting on ancestral territories

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of indigenous people.

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We do so respecting both the land and the indigenous

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peoples and honor their past, present, and future.

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The Township values and respects

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their cultural heritage and relationship to the land.

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Move on to item number three, which is roll call.

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Madam clerk on attendance with councillor Pollard. It's going to be late. Okay

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Emergency additions or amendments to the agenda?

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Councilor Depp banks. Yeah, I'd like to move items 14 for right through to 14 14 right up to the front of the

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council meeting before the

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Close session so there would be 6.8

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Okay now

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Now, you understand that we have a solicitor on standby for six o'clock.

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We understand that.

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That's fine.

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And, you know, that's going to create an issue for us, perhaps.

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Madam Clerk.

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I was just going to suggest, can we just move all of new business up, possibly, if that works?

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Do I'm fine with that?

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I couldn't hear if all of new business could be moved up.

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I don't. I'm not looking for the proposed motions to go through. It's just 14-4 and 14-14. That's all that I'm asking to report.

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14-4 to 14-14.

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It's all the IC reports.

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Okay. Discussion on that.

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Councilor McEnany.

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Well, I don't understand why every meeting we have to, the agenda's been set by the clerk and the CAO on how they do its best laid out.

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And every meeting we have to make changes and rearrange it.

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Having a solicitor sitting waiting for us to contact him for a closed session while we

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go through another portion of the meeting when he was scheduled to be up at the beginning

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doesn't make sense to me.

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The closed session from looking at it I would think would be probably no more than

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half an hour.

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I could suggest that as well.

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Okay.

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other comments deputy mayor banks I think as council members we are allowed

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to change the agenda and that's what we're asking to do so I appreciate

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council supporting that.

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Councilor Maxwell a second time. I think that's up to the

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chair to make that decision on whether or not we agree.

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Well I'll go to the

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clerk on that I'm not sure that it is the chair's call but it is. There is a

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I think it's 11.6 11

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.6 of procedural by law the business of the council shall be taken

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up in the order as listed on the agenda unless otherwise decided by the mayor or presiding

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officer okay so that would appear to be that it's my call and I am I'm quite happy to

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lead the agenda has is.

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Councilor Banks. Also a procedure by-law says that the

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majority of council can override the procedure on through the by-law so if

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I have to make that motion that we override the procedure by-law I'll do

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that and then we'll move on to the motion that I had first.

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We've changed the agenda many times. I don't understand why it's in the shame now.

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Well, my understanding is because we've got a lawyer on standby,

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we don't know how long these other issues are going to take,

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and we may not be able to get the lawyer on the lawyer.

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Excuse me, but please don't interrupt me when I'm speaking, Councillor Banks.

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Madam Clerk, would that be a requirement that we amend the procedure by-law?

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There is a clause in the procedure by-law that it can set aside any one of the procedures.

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Okay. So, Councillor Banks, are you prepared to set aside the procedure by-law?

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Yes.

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So, the rule of my ruling?

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Okay. Do I have a seconder for that?

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Deputy Mayor Banks, discussion on that motion. Councillor Delaney, I have you first and

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then we'll have Councillor Maxwell.

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Thank you, Your Worship. Usually there's a reason for wanting to shake up the agenda

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like that. Could we get a reason for it?

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Councilor Banks, would you like to respond to that?

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Is there a rationale for changing the order?

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Because I made a request.

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Because I made a request?

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Just because you made a request.

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Yeah, I'm just asking to change the agenda.

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We have people in the Gallie, and I

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want to get this stuff done with if we can.

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Other comments or discussions with respect

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to the procedure of ILO being set aside?

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I think we're missing one of our members at the table so any decision

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that's made will probably be rediscussed again anyway so I still think we should

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go ahead with the closed meeting but the lawyer do his thing and then we can go

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as it's been laid out.

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We can't even get along on the simplest things here, it seems.

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We don't need any more questions.

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Well, I'm just wondering, just common sense, that we can't go along with

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Mr. Pollard. Can't Mr. Pollard be in here? We can't go

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forwards with anything, right? So can we go

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forward this way? Yeah, let's defer it then.

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I certainly think when there's controversial issues that it's important that all members

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of council have that opportunity to be involved.

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So if we're going to hold off on that, would it not make sense then to at least follow the

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rest of the agenda until if we're referring to the integrity commissioner reports to everyone's

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anything they vote on he's not here that's right that's just common sense like he

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should be able to be here and maybe we should phone and see where he is maybe

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he hasn't even come well point of order as I just wonder if we could actually have

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the vote to I will call it over when I'm ready to call the council

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Madame sir could we could we touch base with

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Councillor Pollard. You see it on its way. Have you heard from him?

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Last I heard he was coming. That was this morning after economic development.

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We're allowed to change it because we're allowed to change it.

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It's their procedure of why-law.

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They have issues with the procedure of why-law.

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I should change.

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Hi, Lori.

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It's Mary Ellen from you.

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OK, great.

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Thank you.

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OK, thank you.

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You're welcome.

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He's on his way.

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He's on his way.

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He's on his way.

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He's on his way.

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You worship?

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Yes, ma'am.

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It won't make any difference whether Mr. Paul is here

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or not, because if I get five people to accept my motion

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to move the agenda forward, we can move forward.

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So why don't we just have that vote and carry on?

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All those. All in favor? Who is Denny?

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I want a recorded vote on this.

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I might like to hear the motion again too.

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I'll leave it red.

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Steve resolved that item 11.6 would be set aside to move items 14.4 to 14.14 before agenda item 7, which is the closing meeting.

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Councilor Jeff, thanks.

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Councilor Kerr, yes.

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Councilor Delaney, no.

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Deputy Mayor, thanks.

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And Mayor Hoogland.

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No.

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Motion is carried.

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Now I'll launch the motion regarding the adoption

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of the agenda as amended.

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I would move by Councilor Delaney,

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seconded by Councilor Hutchings.

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Is it resolved that the agenda be approved and adopted as amended?

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Discussion?

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Call the question.

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All in favor?

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One question.

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Sorry.

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Are we notifying the lawyer that we're not going to be contacting him for a room?

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I would hope so.

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Otherwise, the bill is going to be running.

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Mary-Anne, I'll do that.

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I'll do that.

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And we really don't know how long those items might take in the sense that, OK.

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So does that mean while we go through all this discussion he's going to be

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charging us while he's on standby? So it's through the chair, that's his

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pocket. He asked him to be on ready for six.

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So the motion was read and moved in

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second as amended and I called the votes. All right

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I'm moving on in the

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agenda to declarations of the kinder interest

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and the general nature thereof.

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I have a number of declarations, which I will read.

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So this was dated March the third, 2025.

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Sorry, Councilor Banks, but what's your issue now?

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Well, I was just wondering if you just read

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the declarations as they're concerned

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with the individual issues.

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There's a whole bunch of issues here, so.

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I will read the declarations in the order I received.

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dated March the 3rd, 2025.

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I, Joan Delaney, do declare a deemed direct pecuniary interest

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in accordance with the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act,

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RSO 1990, Chapter M-5.

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In regards to items number 7.1, 7.5, 11.8, 12.6,

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namely the closed section 239, subsection 2e,

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PACA, February 26th, minutes, PACA February 12th,

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minutes on bylaw 2025-36 and zoning bylaw amendments 17-2024 on the

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regular council meeting agenda dated March the 3rd 2025 the declared interest

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is in the following general nature it's a zoning bylaw amendment and it's

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selling by Councillor John Delaney and receiving myself

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again dated March the

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March 3, 2025, I, Paula Banks, do declare a conflict of interest, non-pecuniary in nature

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related to any other matter, including matters under the township relief's code of conduct

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in regards to items number 14.4, 14.5, 14.6, 14.7, 14.8, Jeff Banks, integrity commissioner

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investigation on the council meeting, agenda dated March 3, 2025, the declared interest

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of the following general nature, personal, signed by Deputy Mayor Paulo Banks and received

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by myself.

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Again, David March III, 2025. I, Deborah Ann Hutchings, do declare a conflict

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of interest, non-pecuniary nature, related to any other matter, including matters under

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the Tampere Lakes Code of Conduct, in regards to items number 14.13 and 14.3.1, 14.14,

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and 14.2.01, namely integrity commissioner reports on the council meeting

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agenda dated March the 3rd, 2025. The declared interest is the following

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general nature, personal, signed by Councillor Debbie Hutchins and received by

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So it should be 14.13, 14.13, 14.14, and 14.14, 14.14, and 14.21.

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No, 14.14.1.

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That's a 4, is it?

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Hi, Jeff Banks, to declare a conflict of interest, non-pecuniary nature, related to any other matter,

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including matters under the township of Rio Lakes Code of Conduct, in regards to items

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number 14.4, 14.5, 14.6, 14.7, 14.8, namely IC reports on the council agenda dated March

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March the 3rd, 2025, the declared interest is a following general nature, spousal and

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myself, initialed by Councilor Banks and received by myself.

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And again, David March the 3rd, 2025, the Islander card to declare a conflict of interest

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among community and nature related to any other matter, including matters under the

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Townsbury Lakes Code of Conduct in regards to items number 14.9 and 14.10, namely integrity

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commission report on the council meeting agenda dated March the 3rd, 2025. The declared

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interest is of the following general nature, personal, signed by Councillor Linda Carr,

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received by my side.

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Moving on to the amended agenda, we're moving on to page 152 in my

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package.

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Welcome Councillor Pollard. We've amended the agenda to have one be dealing

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with 14.4 to 14.14 first.

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So 14.4 is the integrity commission report.

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report, IC 35303-1124, and it is with respect to Deputy Mayor Paula Banks, and I have it

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– I need to move her in a seconder for the motion to be dissolved with the Council of

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Corporation of the temporary lakes in accordance with the integrity commissioner report, IC

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C-35303-1124 recommendation, request the Deputy Mayor of Paula Banks provide an apology to

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Ms. Alford. Do I have a mover and a seconder for that?

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You're moving it?

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No, I would like some clarification before you start it. I have my hand up.

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In conversations with the integrity commissioner, it was made clear that if we declare a conflict

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been closed we have to leave the room but it was not made clear to me if I

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declare a conflict if I have to leave the room in open session it did say that

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I cannot speak to it or vote to it I'm just not sure if I have to leave the room

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My understanding is under the code of conduct if it's not

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pecuniary you have to leave the room okay it comes to pecuniary you may come

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back to them. Okay, so if there's any conversation of this becoming pecuniary, I would like to

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review that. Thank you. Okay. I do not yet have a mover in a seconder then. This is moved

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by Councilor Larkins.

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Seconded by Councilor Kerr. Discussion? Councilor Larkins, please.

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Well, I'd like to make a motion to amend that motion.

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It's already been demonstrated at this meeting, again, the behavior at this table, rude, inconsiderate

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of people's time, et cetera, it just goes on and on.

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The President has already been set by this Council not to follow the IC recommendations

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earlier this term, and I feel that would be more than an apology. I'm suggesting 15 days per complaint.

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Okay. So are you proposing an amendment then that we would add? So

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we need a mover in Sacramento

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to be resolved that the Council of Corporations and the Council relax amends the main motion to also

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This includes a suspension of pay of, did you say 15 days?

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15 days per complaint.

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We have to do it at a time.

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We have to do them one at a time.

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Okay, 15 days.

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Moved by, I'll second.

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And Councillor Pollard is seconding that.

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Okay, so this has now become a cuniery nature,

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so I would submit.

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Only if it's passed.

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Only if it's passed.

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But this is an amendment to the main motion.

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Okay.

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Okay, so discussion on the amendment.

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Well, as I already said, my reasoning for it.

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Okay, well then I'll call the question, all in favor.

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Motion is carried.

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Now we need to advise councillors.

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You'll read the motion as amended.

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Motion

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as amended.

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He does nothing related to pecuniary at this time.

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OK, so he's not in the room, thanks.

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The study doesn't come yet.

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OK, so I need to move in a second,

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or be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation

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and the Townsville Lakes in accordance with the Integrity

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Commissioners Report, IC 35303-1124,

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recommendation requests that Deputy Mayor Paula Banks

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provide an apology to Ms. Alford

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and further that a suspension and pay of 15 days

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be provided.

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I'll move.

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Seconder?

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No.

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Mr. Maxwell and Councilor Pollard.

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Okay.

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So this one is now open for discussion.

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Deputy Mayor?

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Banks, please.

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May I ask why the 15 days is being added?

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Uh, mover of the second or two?

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Well, as I-

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As I-

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I already said, I guess you'd already left the room.

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It's been demonstrated already the rudeness

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in consideration disregard for the procedures

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that should be at this table.

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And the president has already been set earlier this term

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to not follow the recommendation set out by the IC

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commissioners.

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And so I feel this behavior needs more than an apology.

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So I'm suggested 15 days.

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So I'm going to second that again.

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I am a bit confused because I was found innocent of being

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rude in this room, being rude on Facebook.

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So I'll just read my thing.

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So I had sent Shelley a video that I'd

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like to be brought up too, please.

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If we can work on that.

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You're unwilling to play the video?

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I'm unwilling to play videos.

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You're allowed to defend yourself, normally at this meeting.

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So I'm going to read this.

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I think we need to be transparent with the public that all 11 of these complaints, whether

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they were filed by a taxpayer, grassroots, or maybe even by fellow council members,

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all referenced their displeasure with council for deciding to go to tender

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with this Chantry office. These 11 complaints contained a long, long

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laundry list of 20 plus false assertions against only the five council members

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that supported that tender. Some accusations are as serious as breaking

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the municipal act, having a conflict of interest with the contractor, and leaking confidential

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information during negotiations. I was also falsely accused of bullying residents and

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council members, both on Facebook and during meetings, and berating and disrespecting the

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Mayor. Add to that the accusation of lying, being the reason staff resigned, stopping

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council business, and the most insulting and outlandish, the accusation that I extorted

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Wendy Elford. None of these accusations were found to be true. The five of us have been

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under investigation for over three months. The IC investigator was looking for any

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breach listed in the 11 complaints and I was found guilty of a single one, turning my back

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on the Rideau Lakes Grassroot delegation, a group that secretly worked with two council

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members for almost two years.

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I'm not saying that is right or a good thing, but it should tell taxpayers that five of

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us have been under a very big microscope for months. Out of the number of allegations,

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this was my only crime. I wonder if the actions of the mayor and those in the minority would

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withstand the same scrutiny. The integrity commissioner defended us on all those accusations

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so I actually don't need to nor do I need to defend my position on tendering

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chantry through yet another waste of money and then I see investigation I

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think my defense that was posted online should show my fellow council members

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and the public the five of us at this table are not the only ones that help

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create this toxic situation I hope my fellow council members also see this

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as an opportunity to move past this by taking a simple apology.

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This is our olive branch to move forward.

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These investigations are now being used purely as political weapons

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with the only intention to stop the retrofit of the Chantry.

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For me, no matter the outcome today, I will not be changing my vote on Chantry

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even if that means my fellow councillors or the taxpayers follow further complaints,

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file for the complaints.

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Today will boil down for me to one thing,

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the Mayor will either keep his word or he will break his word.

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The Mayor, for the last two years, has claimed he has not treated the five of us

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any differently than those that supported his hub.

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today we will find out if that's true the mayor has stated more than once I am

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going to be consistent in supporting whatever penalties have been recommended

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by the IC that has been my position from day one and will continue to be my

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position going forward and that was the video that I was going to play thank

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you. I

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simply respond to that by saying that I think there's a need to look at

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each situation on its own and that this council has on more than one occasion

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moved away from the integrity commissioners.

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Anyone else wish to speak to

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this? All right. Councilor Hutchings. Thank you Mr. Mann. I just would like to

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say, I forgive the judge and jury that came,

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the words that came out of it from you

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because I haven't said anything today.

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And if you remember what you said,

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they gave me an agreement and so I forgive you for saying

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those words because

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only integrity conditioners

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can hold down on us.

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Thank you, Your Worship. I said this the other day, but I'd like to reiterate it for the

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recording. Under the Municipal Act, the integrity commissioner has given the leeway to recommend

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anything from a reprimand to a 90-day suspension. An apology may be considered by the municipality,

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but it is outside of the integrity commissioner process.

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So with these recommendations of apologies only,

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I don't think that this integrity commissioner

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did the job she was supposed to do.

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So before we canonize her,

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I think we should maybe consider that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other discussion?

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Now I'm going to call the question.

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All in favor.

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Can I have a recorded vote, please?

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Certainly.

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The question, could you have a recorded vote?

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Please call the vote on the motion.

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motion. Should I read the motion again? Yes, yes. Okay. Moved by Councilor Maxwell, second

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by Councilor Pollard. Beat resolved with the Council of the Corporation of the Township

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of the Lakes in accordance with the Integrity Commissioner Report, IC 35303-1124, recommendation,

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request that Deputy Mayor Paula Banks provide an apology to Ms. Alfred and further that

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a suspension and pay of 15 days be provided. Okay. There's been a request for a court

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vote. You read the motion. I'd like to speak to it once more.

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Fair enough. I don't believe

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you're allowed to speak to the penalty. I only think she can speak to us now. Okay. Let's

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speak. I would

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like to clarify how I can be added 15 days for something I was not convicted

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of Councillor Maxwell proceeded to say that I was rude.

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She said that I disrupted council meetings, that I disrupted the chair, but yet the integrity

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commissioner felt me innocent on all those things.

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So I'm not quite sure how council member could find me guilty when the integrity commissioner

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could not.

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So I'd like some clarification on that.

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I understand changing the integrity commissioners but penalty but you can't

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find me guilty of something she did not find me guilty of all right so I would

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like to clarify that I was found innocent of all those things that was not

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being rude to council members and the integrity commissioner also mentioned

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your lack of responsibility in that.

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That's fine. I'm not being considerate here.

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No, but you're saying to me.

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I'm saying exactly what the integrity commission said in their conclusions.

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I spoke to Councillor Maxwell saying that I was rude at council meetings,

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that I was rude to you, that I was rude to council members,

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and I disrupted council business.

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I was found innocent on every single one of those.

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So I would like to make sure that it's on the record.

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Councilor Maxwell.

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Can we have a final comment?

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Because there has been a reduction of order.

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Can we ask the gallery to please stop commenting?

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Absolutely.

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I'm not hearing the gallery and I will determine if the gallery is commented when they shun me.

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Thank you very much.

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Councilor Maxwell, please.

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Well, I was just going to be specific.

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I'm turning your back on a delegation that is getting up to speak is route and

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that is how the public sees it. I'm still getting questions why this hasn't been

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dealt with already. I'm still getting questions.

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Deputy Mayor Mack, Deputy Mayor, thanks you do not have the floor please. I'm tired of

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everybody speaking over everyone else. Councillor Maxwell has the floor.

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Okay, and that was all I was just reiterating that the rudeness is turning the back on her delegation

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And she was found guilty by the

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Spend in the son of the ICs

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Although she was only giving an apology

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All right, I think I think it needs more than that

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All right after the fact I love each you speak once

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All I'm asking is, you said 15 days suspension. What does that mean?

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15 days without paying.

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Without paying.

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That's correct.

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And again, if you're found guilty, it will stay in your chart, but she was not feeling guilty and will not change her file, correct?

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I don't think that's relevant, but I don't know what's in the file.

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I know, but she has been found innocent by the integrity commissioner.

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By the Interior Commissioner, some of the allegations were found to not have merit and the chair training one was.

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Okay, there's one thing only. Okay, I just, just to make that clear.

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Okay, can I get clarification from the clerk, please?

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I think what Councillor Carr is referring to is our records retention by-law.

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So we do have a records retention by-law, so these documents will stay.

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what's in the what's in the agenda is permanent because it's part of the

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agenda agenda package yes it was David and she's bent down innocent so it's a

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permanent record we have the complaint we have the defense so it's all part of

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the record but you can't say she's guilty now we can't I don't think we

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can change that file regardless of what we say here correct I can go to the

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conclusion of the integrity commissioner that would help yeah I'm sorry

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Donfield, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I am saddened by this council and their

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continual warfare and I would really like to see an olive branch be extended. If

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you want to put a penalty on everybody, you're doing it and you're causing more

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rift and it's continuing and it's sad and it hurts and it's not right. If

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If someone has made a mistake, which they were told they would have made a mistake, they're

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going to go by the Integrated Commissioners Report, but the rest of the report identified

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that these actions were not found to be guilty.

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You're still pushing this.

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You're still making a rift between us, and I would like it to stop.

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Okay.

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Well, thank you.

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Now let's keep a check on this, I heard everyone's had the opportunity to speak, I'm going to ask the clerk to call the vote.

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Councillor Carr.

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We've got ten more.

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Councillor Carr.

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What am I waiting for now?

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Councillor Kelly.

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No.

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Councillor Delaney.

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Yes.

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Councillor Dunfield.

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No.

482
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:14,830
Councillor Hutchings.

483
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:15,150
No.

484
00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:16,630
Councillor Maxwell.

485
00:36:17,090 --> 00:36:17,310
Yes.

486
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:18,390
Councillor Pollard.

487
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:19,090
Yes.

488
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:20,450
Mayor.

489
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:21,230
Yes.

490
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:24,070
motion is carried.

491
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:29,340
Now we go on to the next one.

492
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:34,360
Oh, actually, I guess I said, is there a penalty for each one?

493
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:36,240
We don't know you.

494
00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:43,520
So that was 14.4, so now it's 15, 14.5,

495
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:47,550
95.

496
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,600
Again, I have a motion to accept the integrity commissioner's report

497
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,260
and require an apology on this particular complaint.

498
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,220
So I need a mover and a seconder for that.

499
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:08,760
A

500
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:12,850
mover or a seconder?

501
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:17,850
This is be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation, the Townsend of the Lakes,

502
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:23,750
in accordance with the integrity commissioner report IC 35308-1124 recommendation

503
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:28,370
request that Deputy Mayor Paul Banks provide an apology to Ms. Alford.

504
00:37:28,990 --> 00:37:30,790
So she's putting it on the table, right?

505
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:36,970
This is to put this on the table, and then if there's an amendment to that, then I'll

506
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:37,630
have to end the meeting.

507
00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:38,970
You'll move that.

508
00:37:39,330 --> 00:37:40,150
Thank you, Councilor Hutchings.

509
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:42,350
Seconder?

510
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:44,670
Councilor Dunfield.

511
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:47,580
Discussion?

512
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,320
Okay.

513
00:37:50,720 --> 00:38:00,460
Well, I'm going to motion that we amend it again 15 days for this one as well.

514
00:38:00,460 --> 00:38:01,340
Okay,

515
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:11,050
so this is a motion to amend the main motion.

516
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:18,290
So I have it moved by Councilor Maxwell, seconded by Councilor Pollard.

517
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:23,010
It resolved that the Council of the Corporation Attempt to Realt Lakes amends

518
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:26,870
the main motion to also include a suspension and pay of 15 days.

519
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:29,330
Discussion,

520
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,580
okay?

521
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,780
Well, it's the same, the public is still really upset about what happened that day.

522
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:53,460
And just to, in the conclusion, it does say that she behaved inappropriately and turning

523
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:53,960
her back.

524
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:02,300
So she is feeling guilty of doing that and to only give an apology is not right.

525
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,320
And this is a second complaint on the same issue.

526
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:07,660
All right?

527
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:07,980
Yep.

528
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,020
All right.

529
00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:13,880
Any other comments with respect to this motion?

530
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,740
Then can I call the question?

531
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,020
All in favor?

532
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:22,720
Mr. Benny?

533
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,120
So now, what are you doing now?

534
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Motion as amended is for the comment.

535
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,420
Of course.

536
00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:51,900
I need a mover and a seconder for the motion

537
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:52,760
motion as amended.

538
00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:54,640
Okay.

539
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,200
By the way, councillor Pollock, I saw your hand first.

540
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,400
I'm essentially a councillor.

541
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,620
Do you resolve the council, the corporation,

542
00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:04,360
the temporary lakes in accordance with the integrity

543
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,660
commissioner report, IC 35308-1124 recommendation,

544
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,020
request the deputy mayor of Paul Banks

545
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:12,800
provide an apology to Ms. Alpert,

546
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,140
and further that a suspension in pay of 15 days

547
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:16,840
be provided.

548
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:28,000
I think we need to be transparent with the public that all 11 of these complaints, whether

549
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,520
filed by a tax player, grassroots, or even a fellow council member, all referenced their

550
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,580
displeasure of council going ahead with the tender of this office.

551
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:46,040
These 11 complaints contained a laundry list of 20 plus false assertions against only

552
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,720
the five council members that supported this tender. Some accusations were as

553
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:56,020
serious as breaking the municipal act, having a conflict of interest with the

554
00:40:56,020 --> 00:41:01,700
contractor, leaking confidential information during negotiations. I was

555
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:07,060
also falsely accused of bullying residents, council members, both on Facebook

556
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:12,680
and during meetings, and berating and disrespecting the mayor. Add to that

557
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:19,240
lying, being the reason staff resigned, stopping council business, and most insulting and

558
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:25,520
blandish, the accusation I extorted Wendy Elford. None of these accusations were found

559
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,540
to be true. The five of us have been under investigation for three months. I see investigator

560
00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:36,740
looked at any breach listed in the 11 complaints, and I was found guilty of a single one,

561
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:42,900
turning my back on the Rideau Lakes grassroots delegation a group that has

562
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:48,540
secretly worked with two council members for almost two years I'm not saying that

563
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:52,900
it's right or a good thing but it should tell taxpayers the five of us have

564
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:58,040
been under a very big microscope for months and out of the number of

565
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,660
allegations this was my only crime I wonder if the actions of the mayor

566
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:06,340
and those in the minority would withstand the same scrutiny.

567
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:12,140
The integrity commissioner defended us on all those accusations so I do not need to,

568
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:18,760
nor do I need to defend my position on the tendering of Chantry through more IC investigations.

569
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:27,260
I think my defense, which everyone can read online, should show my fellow council members

570
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:32,440
members and the mayor that we are not the only ones causing this toxic situation.

571
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:39,800
I hope my fellow council members see this as a second opportunity as an olive branch

572
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,380
and just to take an apology.

573
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,020
These investigations are now being used purely political and they need to stop.

574
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:53,940
For me, no matter they have come today, I will not be changing my vote on Chantry

575
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:58,900
even if there are further investigations, including from fellow council members.

576
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:04,140
The mayor for the last two years has claimed he does not treat the five of us

577
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:07,420
any differently, but we saw earlier that he did.

578
00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:10,160
The mayor has stated more than once,

579
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,920
I'm going to be consistent in supporting whatever penalties have been recommended by the IC.

580
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,460
That has been my position from day one and will continue to be my position going forward.

581
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:31,280
But we can see from earlier that it's yet one more of the Mayor's fault statements that he's gone back on.

582
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,800
Thank you.

583
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:37,760
Well, I'm certainly not going to agree with that particular defense.

584
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:42,680
I think there's a lot of the defense that's with you relevant to the issue of turning the chairs,

585
00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:48,440
which I felt was one of the worst examples that I've ever seen in my entire career

586
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,500
on this respect to our citizens.

587
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:57,160
The integrity commissioner also spoke to your lack of responsibility in chairing the meetings properly.

588
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,900
Would you like me to read that?

589
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,340
No, I don't need to read that. I'm aware of what the integrity commissioner is looking for.

590
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:03,920
Well then don't.

591
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:09,340
They also told me that I can, as a chair, I have control of the meeting.

592
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:13,260
You have control of some, you just changed the agenda.

593
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:15,220
Well, that's fine.

594
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:20,580
We will continue to change the procedure by-law to suit your purposes as you go forward, I'm sure.

595
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:24,580
Other comments or questions with respect to the version that's on the floor?

596
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:26,200
That's inappropriate to say that.

597
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,040
No, it's not, but it's true.

598
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:31,560
It certainly is true.

599
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,340
How many times have we changed the procedure by-law to accommodate these requests?

600
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:43,040
We are allowed to change the procedural by-law anytime the majority of council wishes.

601
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,040
I respect that you have one vote the same way we do

602
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,760
This is not what's being debated here today

603
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:59,560
No, what's being debated is you telling the public one thing and then you changing it just the way you told us you never spoke with

604
00:45:00,020 --> 00:45:06,280
The facilitator of the strategic plan, but we also know that you changed your story on that.

605
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:14,140
This is all speculation on your part. There's no facts here and I will not have you disparage

606
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:18,180
my leadership or disparage and say, and say that-

607
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:20,060
The executive commissioner did, I didn't. She-

608
00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:22,360
The point of the line is between the two of you is just not.

609
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:22,840
Stop.

610
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Both of you.

611
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:30,040
it's not a point of order I just want everything to I'm ready I'm ready to

612
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,560
get it on I'm going to call the question

613
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:37,360
you want to read motion again we're going to vote please

614
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,740
okay and Clark please call the vote on this motion

615
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,520
Councillor Carr. No. Councillor Delaney. Yes.

616
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,580
Councillor Dunfield. No. Councillor Hutchings. No.

617
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,920
Councilor Maxwell. Yes. Councilor Pollard. Yes. Mayor Blubinman. Yes. Motion is carried.

618
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:12,010
I'll move on to 15.6 on the agenda, which is the third integrity commissioner

619
00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:16,330
complaint against Deputy Mayor Paul Banks. And so

620
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:24,570
the initial motion would be to

621
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:30,230
provide apology, correct? Correct. Okay. And you move on a seconder.

622
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:31,850
be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation,

623
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:33,550
the Chancellor of the Lakes in accordance with the integrity

624
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:40,090
commissioner for IC 35313-1123 recommendation requests

625
00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:42,930
that Deputy Mayor Paula Banks provide an apology to Ms.

626
00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:43,390
Alford.

627
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:45,390
Do I have a mover and a seconder for that?

628
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:46,930
Moved by Councillor Dunfield.

629
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,920
Seconded by Councillor Hutchings.

630
00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:51,440
Thank you.

631
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,240
Discussion?

632
00:46:59,620 --> 00:47:01,340
Motion to amend this one too.

633
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,640
Is anything 15 days?

634
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,840
Motion for that, please.

635
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,540
You'll

636
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,480
have a seconder, Councillor Delaney.

637
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,520
We resolved that the Council of the Corporation

638
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,080
of the Township of the Real Lakes amends the main motion

639
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,880
to also include a suspension of 15 days.

640
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,860
Third motion discussion.

641
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:36,690
Now I do note that this is a complaint

642
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:42,070
from another citizen who is then identified in the defense.

643
00:47:43,710 --> 00:47:46,170
And I certainly have certain concerns

644
00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:48,010
about the ability of the public

645
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:50,230
to make complaints anonymously.

646
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:57,270
and then have us publish the clear names of the persons that were involved in that.

647
00:47:57,390 --> 00:48:06,590
That will not encourage people to come forward when they have concerns about any of our activities.

648
00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:12,210
Other comments or questions with respect to this amendment?

649
00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:15,830
Then I'll call the question. All in favor of the amendment?

650
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,140
Opposed to any?

651
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:21,260
Same vote.

652
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,280
Thank you.

653
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:41,900
Okay.

654
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:42,580
A

655
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:52,250
motion is be resolved with the Council of the Corporation of the Temporary Lakes in accordance with the Integrity Commissioner Report, IC 35313-1123.

656
00:48:53,190 --> 00:49:01,190
Recommendation request that Deputy Mayor Paula Banks provide an apology to Ms. Alfred and further that a suspension and pay of 15 days be provided.

657
00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:03,030
I have that mover please.

658
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:06,780
Moved by Councillor Maxwell.

659
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,000
Do I have a seconder?

660
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:11,260
Councilor Delaney.

661
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:14,590
Motion's on the floor.

662
00:49:17,050 --> 00:49:21,650
Who wishes to speak to this one? Okay. Councilor

663
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:29,250
Carr. Okay, exactly. What are we, what is she being charged with now? This is the, this

664
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:35,470
is the third one, which included the turning of the chairs. No, it can't be that. We've

665
00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:41,390
done that. We've done three of them already. Why not? It's 15 days per, per, per complaint

666
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:48,930
is what council is proposing so it's just the turning of the chairs again so

667
00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:54,550
there's three charges for turning her back three times

668
00:49:55,690 --> 00:50:05,010
yep I mean I'm just reading what the motion is so all right anyone else wish

669
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:10,150
to speak to this one we've heard that depends so I'll call you want to

670
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:17,390
recorded vote again? No, no, no. I just want to clarify, so out of the list of 20

671
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:25,410
plus accusations, which some of them are actually almost criminals, I was found

672
00:50:25,410 --> 00:50:30,210
guilty of turning my back and you're going to charge me 45 days for turning

673
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:37,950
my back, just so we're clear. And even though you said that you would accept

674
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:42,310
every integrity commissioner because it's me and it's about the office you've

675
00:50:42,310 --> 00:50:47,030
now changed your position to deal with the office every single complaint

676
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:52,050
mentioned the office well that may be the fact but that's not the basis of my

677
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:56,270
decision okay so can I ask why you changed your decision my decision is

678
00:50:56,270 --> 00:51:02,730
because I felt that a simple apology was not nearly strong enough to drill

679
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:05,270
I'll home the message that that behavior is inappropriate.

680
00:51:06,090 --> 00:51:08,050
I said, let me finish.

681
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:09,910
But even though you mentioned it.

682
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:10,810
Let me finish, please.

683
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:12,550
And then I'll let you respond, OK?

684
00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:16,630
And I mentioned this at the meeting afterwards,

685
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:20,730
that I felt that was the most disrespectful thing

686
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:24,690
that I've seen in my 50-year career in municipal government.

687
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:28,890
And that is my position.

688
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:31,950
And if it's the position of the majority of the council

689
00:51:31,950 --> 00:51:34,750
that are eligible to vote on this issue, then so be it.

690
00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:38,370
Go ahead, Deputy Mayor, you can go on.

691
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:42,030
I'm not going to be here to defend myself, though.

692
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,620
I'm going to speak to the integrity commissioners report

693
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:48,440
and the penalty.

694
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,320
She also mentioned that your lack of good leadership

695
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,900
caused that problem.

696
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,220
No, she did not.

697
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:57,700
Actually, she did.

698
00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:59,940
No, she simply said, you as the mayor.

699
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:00,900
She said, I had to get going.

700
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:01,700
Are you going to let me speak?

701
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,080
Are you going to let me speak?

702
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,440
All right.

703
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,680
I'll let you speak but then I'll correct you well you correct this all the time so

704
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,060
I don't think that's anything different

705
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,700
I'm just asking why you have failed to

706
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:23,420
even speak to the fact that she said you as chair had some responsibility in

707
00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:28,840
what happened in that meeting you failed to take control of the meeting you

708
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,580
could have addressed it right away you could have stopped Ms. Alfred at

709
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:35,420
at any time during that delegation, especially

710
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:37,760
when she leaked confidential information.

711
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,080
You chose not to.

712
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,640
She did not.

713
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,620
I'm not aware that she leaked confidential information.

714
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:44,300
That meeting.

715
00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:45,840
I'll just take my five days.

716
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:49,560
And I will tell you that by the time

717
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,520
I realized what was going on, I was looking over my shoulder

718
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,140
to see what everybody was looking at.

719
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,380
And the delegation was pretty much over.

720
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,280
So I mean, this is not, this is about,

721
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,860
This is about the public being concerned and has expressed to me repeatedly over the last month

722
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:12,620
How disgusted they are with that particular behavior, okay?

723
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,000
And so that is the basis for my my decision. I

724
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,200
Let others speak for their their own basis if they've got a different basis. That's fine, too

725
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,340
No, but the others did not declare that you would never go against the integrity commissioner

726
00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:28,000
But now you do

727
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:37,580
because it's me and so I don't have to because it's you okay okay um is there a

728
00:53:37,580 --> 00:53:41,560
recorded vote requested for this one please okay madam clerk call the

729
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:49,280
place you counselor car no counselor Delaney yes counselor Dunfield no

730
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:56,100
counselor Hutchings no counselor Maxwell yes counselor Pollard yes

731
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,680
Yes, we go

732
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:13,170
on to the next one, which is with respect to Councilor Jeff Banks, and

733
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:15,400
this

734
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,340
is 14.7 on the agenda.

735
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,700
Okay, I need to move on a seconder, be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation,

736
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:31,140
the Council of the Lakes in accordance with the Integrity Commissioner Report, IC 35304-1124

737
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:36,540
recommendation, request that Councilor Jeff Banks provide a public apology to the

738
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:36,720
Mayor.

739
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:37,600
Do

740
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:40,940
I have a mover and a seconder for that?

741
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,930
Councillor Dunfield and a seconder?

742
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:48,710
Councillor Maxwell.

743
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:52,670
Okay.

744
00:54:54,050 --> 00:54:58,330
Is there discussion with respect to this one?

745
00:54:59,170 --> 00:54:59,570
Okay.

746
00:54:59,990 --> 00:55:02,230
Motion to amend tier two.

747
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:08,160
It's 15 days.

748
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,680
By Councillor Maxwell.

749
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,000
Seconded by Councillor.

750
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,180
It resolved that the Council of the Corporation,

751
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:30,920
the town to relays amends the main motion to also include a suspension of 15 days

752
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:35,990
motion you heard the motion discussion again

753
00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:39,190
it's probably the similar

754
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:44,450
rationale to what we've heard before well I think you know in this one again

755
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:55,450
this is where he's questioning your authority and again he was doing at the

756
00:55:55,450 --> 00:56:04,090
beginning of this meeting. So I don't think an apology is appropriate. I don't know how

757
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:05,070
you feel about that.

758
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:14,570
I don't want to speak to Councillor Banks privately on that topic and see what he has

759
00:56:14,570 --> 00:56:15,170
to say to me.

760
00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:23,890
Okay, then I guess I can call the question. This is other people who wish

761
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:30,790
to speak to this one hearing none I'll call the question all in favor most of

762
00:56:30,790 --> 00:56:31,810
any so

763
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:44,660
now we have the revised motion I

764
00:56:50,260 --> 00:56:52,580
have it I need a mover and a seconder

765
00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:59,640
for this one moved by Councillor Maxwell seconded by councillor Hall

766
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:05,500
be resolved the court council of the corporation the town's real lakes in

767
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:10,020
accordance with the integrity commissioner support I see 35 304-1124

768
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:14,660
recommendation request that Councilor Jeff Banks provide a public apology to

769
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:19,760
the mayor and further that a suspension and pay of 15 days be provided heard the

770
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,220
motion discussion. Councilor Jeff Banks please. Yeah I I've been on council for

771
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:29,200
25 years I've never had this happen to me and I'm just concerned as you know I'm

772
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,940
sitting sitting at a table where there's a lot of you know vengefulness

773
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:38,380
and vindictive people at the table like I didn't do anything wrong I didn't

774
00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:44,740
even have to apologize to Wendy Alfred. I did get in the report that you should

775
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:48,800
have chaired that meeting better from the integrity commissioner so I'm

776
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:57,340
concerned that that I did challenge your role as mayor. Yes and the integrity

777
00:57:57,340 --> 00:58:00,560
commissioner said I should get a reprimand for that but when I went back

778
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,700
and reread the procedural bylaw to her I was allowed to do that and so she

779
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:10,600
said I should apologize to you so I don't have a problem doing that but I don't

780
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,460
know why somebody is so vengeful that that is it that is it gotten to that

781
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:19,160
point that you're so vengeful that you have to take 15 days pay does it mean

782
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:29,260
that much I just don't understand it well I'm not finished yet and I did

783
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:31,660
watch a video where you said that you were going to take in the

784
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:34,500
recommendations of the integrity commissioner and that you were going

785
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,180
to stay that course and you're going to be consistent with that. So I'm hoping

786
00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:41,660
that you're not going to vote for this. I'm hoping. Okay. So,

787
00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:45,630
if you also wish to be

788
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:50,920
ready to call the question,

789
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,040
all in favor. This is on the 15-day panel. This is on the

790
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:02,000
combined apology and 15-day panel. Can you read me who made that motion, please?

791
00:59:02,420 --> 00:59:04,720
Moved by Councillor Maxwell, second by Councillor Pollard.

792
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:10,590
Call the question then.

793
00:59:11,710 --> 00:59:13,150
I'm going to call the question. All in favor.

794
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:18,990
We have the second one, too.

795
00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:20,850
I'll

796
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:29,800
move on to

797
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:35,010
35304.

798
00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:39,770
35309.

799
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:41,070
Okay.

800
00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:44,090
So, I need to move on to the second one.

801
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:47,070
It resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the Townsville Lakes acknowledges

802
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:52,050
receipt of the integrity commission report IC35309-1124

803
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:56,410
regarding Councilor Bennings.

804
00:59:56,410 --> 00:59:56,510
Thank you very much.

805
01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:03,560
Would my family suggest it other than an apology? Was there not?

806
01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:04,720
No, on the second one.

807
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,420
Not on the second one? Okay.

808
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,160
So you heard the motion? Any discussion?

809
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:12,000
I need a mover and a seconder for that. First of all, sorry.

810
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:14,920
Okay, so what is the...

811
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,200
It's just simply that we receive it. A knowledge receipt.

812
01:00:19,420 --> 01:00:22,820
I think this one needs to be amended as well.

813
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,500
First I need a mover and a seconder to this,

814
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,820
and then if you wish to amend the motion then I will entertain that. So I move by

815
01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:35,460
Councillor Maxwell, seconded by,

816
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:39,530
no one wishes to second the motion.

817
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:43,210
I thought Councillor Hutchings had a handle. No, I got my hand in praying.

818
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:44,530
Okay. Okay.

819
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:56,180
Councillor Delaney. Okay. So that motion is now on the floor and if you wish to amend it I would need to understand what the amendment needs to be.

820
01:00:56,180 --> 01:01:07,140
Okay. Well, again for 15 days because the fight from automatically turned their backs.

821
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:12,840
There was, it was quite obvious, as soon as Mr.

822
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,060
Point of order, we are talking about one particular individual, not all five.

823
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,460
All right. That's not a point of order, but I will acknowledge that we're talking about the individual

824
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:27,420
And of course the individual, you know, it was it was an action that was taken by all

825
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:27,760
the body.

826
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:28,300
Okay.

827
01:01:28,780 --> 01:01:29,760
Because we've already had it.

828
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,040
If you're putting the 15 days on the floor, I need a mover and a seconder for that.

829
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,100
Moved by Councillor Maxwell, seconded by Councillor Palmer.

830
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,280
Dear resolved, the Council of the Corporation, the Chantry of the Lakes, amends the main

831
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,800
motion to also include a suspension of 15 days.

832
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:55,300
So, motion's on the floor. Discussion?

833
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:03,040
Well, again, you know, he turned his back automatically.

834
01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:10,820
And I'm not buying into his reasoning for turning his back.

835
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:12,100
Okay.

836
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,040
That came out after the fact.

837
01:02:16,090 --> 01:02:16,410
Yes.

838
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:16,830
Yes.

839
01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:21,930
It seemed to come out after, as you mentioned earlier,

840
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:26,330
that the next meeting, you commented

841
01:02:26,330 --> 01:02:30,570
about how disappointed you were in the behavior of meeting

842
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:33,010
where they didn't do that, and that's

843
01:02:33,010 --> 01:02:34,870
when the excuse came out.

844
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:37,990
Yeah, fair enough.

845
01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:40,290
Anyone else wish to speak to this?

846
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:40,930
Councilor Dunfield.

847
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:41,570
Thank you.

848
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:45,090
The integrity commissioner's comments at the end of this

849
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:49,570
said that she, uh, accordingly I do not consider that this was a violation of the

850
01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:54,430
Code of Conduct as indicated above. I do not consider these two grounds of

851
01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:59,230
complaint to be valid. So there was no penalty issued here. So how can we add a

852
01:02:59,230 --> 01:03:05,510
penalty? I guess the rationale is that although the integrity commissioner can

853
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:10,570
recommend whatever they wish, council has the prerogative of increasing the

854
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:14,590
penalty or decreasing the penalty. And we have done that on at least a

855
01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:20,230
couple occasions in the past so whether there's a penalty or not it is up to

856
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:27,540
the majority of council that have the ability to vote okay all right so this is

857
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:32,160
the amendment so I'm ready to call the question long favor of the amendment

858
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,800
opposed to Benny that motion is still carried so

859
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,140
now we have the we're back to

860
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:44,060
of the original motion.

861
01:03:46,140 --> 01:03:51,100
Is this where Jeff should come back in, right?

862
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:55,420
And I'll always have

863
01:04:04,610 --> 01:04:04,890
it.

864
01:04:05,290 --> 01:04:09,630
I need a mover and a seconder for the amended motion.

865
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:16,210
The light councilor Maxwell, seconded by councilor Delaney.

866
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,000
We resolved the council of the corporation

867
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,320
the town to relakes acknowledges

868
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,800
receded the integrity commissioner report IC 35309-1124

869
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:31,120
regarding Councilor Jeff Banks and further the suspension and pay up 15 days

870
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:36,060
be provided. We're at the motion discussion. Councilor Banks go ahead please.

871
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:43,200
So this is just dirty now. I did something I challenged you which I was

872
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,760
allowed to under the cold maybe I in the heat of the moment I might not have

873
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:53,160
done it properly but when you do something when you go to like a trial

874
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,080
and I'm sure the same mover and seconder, you get charged for something, you get charged

875
01:04:59,080 --> 01:04:59,380
for it.

876
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,280
They don't keep bringing you back again and again because people complain.

877
01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:07,060
And I said that to the Integrity Commissioner that these things need to be treated as like

878
01:05:07,060 --> 01:05:09,580
that to make sure that everything's in the up and up.

879
01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:12,880
And again, I'm going to look at you and say that you have said again and again

880
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,280
that you are going to stay, not once, stay the course with the Integrity Commissioner's

881
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:17,940
recommendations.

882
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,240
And I find this very vindictive and vengeful, and I don't like it.

883
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:29,220
This isn't how council supposed to operate. This is all over the hub and then it turned to the office

884
01:05:29,220 --> 01:05:34,820
And that's what it's all about and it's going to continue on until we get the the chantry and Ron

885
01:05:34,820 --> 01:05:37,280
You don't have to look away. You can look at me if I'm going to look at you

886
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,320
You know, you don't have to look away, but this is what it's all about. Everybody sees it

887
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,420
We know who filed these complaints. It's so easy to figure that out

888
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,340
But I just find it very vindictive and vengeful that this is what has to happen

889
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:59,280
Well, you know, it, uh, you know, I don't know how to explain, you know, I'm going to

890
01:05:59,280 --> 01:05:59,640
respond.

891
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:00,720
You don't have to.

892
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:02,280
This is not about Bob.

893
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,260
This is about people turning their back on a delegation.

894
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,060
Oh, I wasn't found guilty for that.

895
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,000
It doesn't matter.

896
01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:09,020
You get it.

897
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,700
From my perspective, you get it, and you should have been found guilty of it.

898
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:13,360
I was not.

899
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,100
Oh, so you're the integrity commissioner now?

900
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,380
No, I'm not the integrity commissioner, but I think there's a major problem.

901
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:20,840
I had a valid reason.

902
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:21,700
Wait a minute.

903
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:22,860
You go ahead and do yours.

904
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:23,480
Yeah, go ahead.

905
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:27,720
OK, I don't accept your quote, valid reason,

906
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:34,980
but I will tell you that the reality is that many of us

907
01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:37,860
have in the past not followed the integrity commissioner's

908
01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:38,260
recommendation.

909
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,020
I know that Smith Falls recently had one,

910
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,740
and they didn't follow the integrity commissioner's

911
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:44,780
reasoning.

912
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:52,860
So, we are free as a group to decide whether we feel the penalty is appropriate or not appropriate, okay?

913
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,380
And I'm just tired of you and others talking about the hub.

914
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,080
The hub died a year and a half ago.

915
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:02,420
It's time to move on, and this has nothing to do with the hub.

916
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:06,180
I certainly don't, not in my mind, anyway.

917
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:09,140
Maybe it has something to do with the hub in your mind, which is fine.

918
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:10,440
That's your problem.

919
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:16,500
But I think there's problems with the integrity commissioner of legislation where we're expected

920
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:19,700
to be judge and jury of our peers at the table.

921
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,660
And that is a problem in my view, and I've told the ministry that, I've told my member

922
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:24,940
that.

923
01:07:25,420 --> 01:07:26,660
I think that's a flaw.

924
01:07:27,060 --> 01:07:31,780
And if they want to change that legislation, they may well do that in the future, and

925
01:07:31,780 --> 01:07:36,480
they may make it mandatory that whatever the integrity commissioner rules, and I'd

926
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,700
be fine if that would happen in the future because it would take off our plate and avoid

927
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:47,620
Vanessa Cecily of us doing it here at this table. Okay. Councilor Banks, I'll hear you

928
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:52,920
about last time. So I had a valid reason for turning my back in the integrity commissioner

929
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:58,100
confirmed that. Why you think I should be charged when she says I did not violate

930
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:04,120
the code of conduct at all with me turning my back to Ms. Alfred. I had a valid reason.

931
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:10,400
So I don't know why you want to trump up the charge or change the charge because you just said because I turned my back

932
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,820
I had a valid reason. So if you want to start laying a charge on me for stuff that was valid

933
01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:22,740
Then we're really running off the rails here, and it's getting very very very dirty dirty

934
01:08:23,190 --> 01:08:27,020
And I would say the public doesn't accept that's all

935
01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:33,600
Well the integrity commissioners well like she's very experienced and she did a great job on these

936
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,980
Okay, so I don't know why you want to be that way with me if you're going to vote for this

937
01:08:38,980 --> 01:08:40,800
I'm really really questioned, you know

938
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,380
I will be voting my conscience here

939
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:47,520
All right, all right

940
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,260
All right, any other discussion that I'm ready to call the question

941
01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:55,300
All in favor opposed

942
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:58,900
to any on

943
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,200
to the next one

944
01:09:31,810 --> 01:09:34,910
All right, this

945
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,360
one deals with Councillor Carr and I need a mover and a seconder for

946
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:41,560
this.

947
01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:45,020
Resolved with the Council of the Corporation Accounts for Relates in accordance with the

948
01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:51,080
integrity commissioner report, I see 35311-1124 recommendation request that Councillor Carr

949
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:57,060
provide an apology to Ms. Alford. I'll move on the second for that. Moved by

950
01:09:57,060 --> 01:10:01,940
Councillor Dunfield, seconded by Deputy Mayor Banks.

951
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,960
Discussion? Councillor

952
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:16,620
Maxwell. Same thing here, motion to amend. It's the same discretion, so 15

953
01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:32,400
I have one amendment here that I'll deal with at a time here, moved by councillor.

954
01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:39,400
Excuse me, who would wish, who wishes to move that amendment?

955
01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:43,760
Do I have a seconder?

956
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:45,160
Councillor Pollard.

957
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,060
The amendment is be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation or the Council of the Lakes

958
01:10:50,060 --> 01:10:54,080
amends the main motion to include a suspension of 15 days.

959
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:55,680
Recorded vote, please.

960
01:10:57,820 --> 01:10:58,460
Recorded vote.

961
01:10:59,020 --> 01:11:00,860
Is there anyone who wishes to speak to this?

962
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,160
Councillor Hutchings, please.

963
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:04,860
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

964
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:08,920
I just want to know why it's just you all the time.

965
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,100
that's bringing this up.

966
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,160
I used that.

967
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,300
Please address the chair of council.

968
01:11:16,940 --> 01:11:19,820
Is she that vengeful that she's going to bring it up all the time?

969
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:24,100
There's a time when I say somebody's spit on somebody and I was believed.

970
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:25,280
All right.

971
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:29,840
I'm not sure that that's an open comment.

972
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,400
Well, I'm having a hard time here.

973
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:41,120
I think anytime in the past, I've said to the whole council, let's just get along, but no one else is.

974
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:47,320
Okay. Anyone else wish to speak to this before we call to the court about it?

975
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,420
Okay, let's call the vote.

976
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:51,920
Councillor Jeff, thanks.

977
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:52,280
No.

978
01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:53,780
Councillor Dalyne.

979
01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:54,140
Yes.

980
01:11:54,620 --> 01:11:55,380
Councillor Dunfield.

981
01:11:55,660 --> 01:11:55,780
No.

982
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,060
Councillor Hutchings.

983
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:57,360
No.

984
01:11:57,860 --> 01:11:58,700
Councillor Maxwell.

985
01:11:59,120 --> 01:11:59,360
Yes.

986
01:11:59,780 --> 01:12:00,660
Councillor Pollard.

987
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:09,580
Yes. Deputy Mayor Paula Banks. Nope. Mayor Moon. Yes. The boat is lost, it's defeated.

988
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:19,700
Back to the original motion. Back to the original motion. That was the amendment.

989
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:24,660
So the original motion was moved by Councillor Dunfield, seconded by Deputy Mayor Banks.

990
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:28,680
be resolved with the Council of the Corporation and the Township of Rita Lakes in accordance

991
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:35,100
with the integrity commission report IC35311-1124 recommendation request that Councilor Carr

992
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,900
provide an apology and his offer.

993
01:12:37,740 --> 01:12:38,860
Record a vote please.

994
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:39,960
Through the motion.

995
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:42,360
Is this one?

996
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,140
It's not the canaries issue just not come back in.

997
01:12:45,380 --> 01:12:45,720
Okay.

998
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:46,120
Okay.

999
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,160
Just wanted to make clear just to make sure we follow the process.

1000
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:48,880
Okay.

1001
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,320
Request for a recorded vote.

1002
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,520
I don't know if I

1003
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:19,470
can say it if I can because I don't know what her intentions were and whether

1004
01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:26,630
she like I don't know how anybody can vote on this. You can abstain. Abstention is a

1005
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:31,710
no vote automatically. That's fine. Just so you know. Okay. I'll go.

1006
01:13:40,340 --> 01:13:41,520
Well just read the

1007
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,260
thing again for me. This is to request that Councillor Carr provide an

1008
01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:50,520
apology to Ms. Alfred. Period. There's no longer the 15 days. There's no longer

1009
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,440
in the mix. That was defeated.

1010
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:53,220
I don't know if it will fail.

1011
01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:57,200
Okay, so your vote is yes.

1012
01:13:57,660 --> 01:13:58,380
I'm going to abstain.

1013
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,460
Okay, then your vote is no.

1014
01:14:01,540 --> 01:14:02,440
Councillor Mancill.

1015
01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:03,180
Yes.

1016
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:04,280
Councillor Pollock.

1017
01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:04,760
Yes.

1018
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:06,620
Deputy Mayor Paula Banks.

1019
01:14:06,940 --> 01:14:07,080
Nope.

1020
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:08,460
Mayor Gouluban.

1021
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:09,880
Yes.

1022
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,700
I expect an apology.

1023
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,160
But that is defeated.

1024
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,000
That's right.

1025
01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:15,620
Is it correct?

1026
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:16,060
Yeah.

1027
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:17,520
So she does not have an apology.

1028
01:14:17,980 --> 01:14:18,180
That's right.

1029
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:20,500
Is it correct?

1030
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:26,340
I'm moving on to the next one.

1031
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:29,060
I don't know if she sees it.

1032
01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:30,220
She doesn't see it.

1033
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,220
No, she can come in.

1034
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:33,760
And when mine sees it.

1035
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:34,620
No, she doesn't see it.

1036
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:35,360
Is she too?

1037
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:35,940
Yes.

1038
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:36,740
Sorry.

1039
01:14:37,820 --> 01:14:38,900
I was trying to get through this.

1040
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:41,400
That's what I wanted to get through,

1041
01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:42,980
so the gallery can clear the doors.

1042
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:44,300
All right.

1043
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,300
They both said the same, but it was two separate.

1044
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:46,720
Thank you.

1045
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,540
So I need a mover and a seconder for this motion.

1046
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,960
which be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the Townsville Lakes in accordance with the integrity commissioners report

1047
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,960
IC 35306-1124 recommendation request that

1048
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:15,820
Councilor Carver,

1049
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:43,740
I see three five three eleven dash eleven twenty four recommendation

1050
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:46,800
request that Councillor Carr provide apology to Ms. Alford.

1051
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:52,650
Do I have a mover and a seconder for that? I have a mover by Deputy Mayor, Banks.

1052
01:15:54,830 --> 01:15:55,390
Seconder?

1053
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:05,680
And I'll ask for a recordable again. Okay, and so this is now on the

1054
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:11,080
table requesting that Councillor Carr provide an apology, correct? Correct.

1055
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:17,980
Okay, so so if anybody understands what we're going to run. So please call, unless

1056
01:16:17,980 --> 01:16:22,120
other discussion please call the question. Just a comment.

1057
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,560
Obviously this is not

1058
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,980
going to go anywhere so I'm not going to bother trying to make an amendment for the 15 days.

1059
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:37,820
Some of this one. Okay. Okay. Thank you for that. Saved us a bit of time I guess.

1060
01:16:37,820 --> 01:16:42,660
Councilor, go ahead and call the questions, Madam folks.

1061
01:16:48,580 --> 01:16:49,680
Councilor Jeff Banks.

1062
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:50,320
No.

1063
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:51,920
Councilor Delaney.

1064
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:52,400
Yes.

1065
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:53,560
Councilor Dunfield.

1066
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:53,960
No.

1067
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:55,120
Councilor Hutchings.

1068
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:55,860
I'm just saying.

1069
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:57,920
Councilor Maxwell.

1070
01:16:58,540 --> 01:16:58,800
Yes.

1071
01:16:59,280 --> 01:16:59,980
Councilor Pollard.

1072
01:17:00,380 --> 01:17:00,640
Yes.

1073
01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:02,460
Deputy Mayor Pollings.

1074
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:02,980
Nope.

1075
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:04,680
Mayor Hougnouk.

1076
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:05,160
Yes.

1077
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,060
Okay, that is recorded and defeated.

1078
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,800
So she will not be required to make an apology.

1079
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:18,140
Okay, let's move on to the last set of two.

1080
01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:31,600
Can I please have no extra conversations going on here, please?

1081
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:33,080
And

1082
01:17:38,230 --> 01:17:39,970
direct all comments to the chair, please?

1083
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:45,190
So, we now are on to accounts for Sue Dunfields.

1084
01:17:45,190 --> 01:17:48,470
And the motion is to be resolved with the Council of the Corporation of the Townsville

1085
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:54,690
Lakes in accordance with the integrity commission report IC 35310-1124 recommendation, request

1086
01:17:54,690 --> 01:17:58,230
that Councilor Dunfield provide an apology to Ms. Alford.

1087
01:17:59,190 --> 01:18:00,390
Heard the motion, discussion.

1088
01:18:00,890 --> 01:18:02,190
Oh, I need to move in a seconder.

1089
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:09,670
Moved by Deputy Mayor, thanks, and seconded by Councilor Hutchings.

1090
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:10,350
Thank you.

1091
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:14,030
And I'll ask for a recorded vote, so now again it's on the floor with the request

1092
01:18:14,030 --> 01:18:20,050
for the court of vote we need any discussion with respect to this one. Hearing none I'll

1093
01:18:20,050 --> 01:18:26,010
ask the court to call the question. Councilor Jeff Banks. No. Councilor Carter. No. Councilor

1094
01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:32,910
Delaney. Yes. Councilor Hutchings. I abstain. Councilor Maxwell. Yes. Councilor Pollard.

1095
01:18:33,130 --> 01:18:37,710
Yes. Deputy Mayor of all banks. No. Mayor of the Moves. Yes.

1096
01:18:40,170 --> 01:18:41,190
And what's the vote?

1097
01:18:50,730 --> 01:18:59,530
Okay, then we'll go on to the second complaint against Councilor Sonfield, right?

1098
01:19:00,470 --> 01:19:04,410
motion for that one on the webpage.

1099
01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:10,810
It should be in order 3, 5, 3, 1, 2, 3.

1100
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:12,950
Okay, I'll read it for you.

1101
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:14,230
Please read the motion.

1102
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:17,590
I think for the assembly of motion, this is what I'm going to do.

1103
01:19:17,950 --> 01:19:21,970
The result that the Council of Corporation has challenged for read-alikes in accordance

1104
01:19:21,970 --> 01:19:29,270
with the integrity commissioner's report IC-35310-1124 recommendation requests that

1105
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:31,710
Councilor Dunn will provide an apology to Ms. Alford.

1106
01:19:32,970 --> 01:19:34,950
Okay, you've heard the motion.

1107
01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:37,050
Mover in the seconder, please.

1108
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:39,490
Moved by Deputy Mayor Banks,

1109
01:19:39,790 --> 01:19:41,230
seconded by Councilor Hutchings.

1110
01:19:42,150 --> 01:19:43,370
It is on the floor.

1111
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:43,870
Discussion?

1112
01:19:45,550 --> 01:19:46,190
Hearing none.

1113
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:48,390
Recorded vote, request again.

1114
01:19:48,850 --> 01:19:49,090
Okay.

1115
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:51,410
Please call the vote, please.

1116
01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:53,710
Councilor Jeff Banks.

1117
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:54,170
No.

1118
01:19:54,570 --> 01:19:55,590
Councilor Kerr, no.

1119
01:19:56,150 --> 01:19:56,850
Councilor Delaney.

1120
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:58,410
Yes, Councilor Hutchings.

1121
01:20:00,230 --> 01:20:17,810
Councilor Maxwell? Yes. Councilor Pollard? Yes. Deputy Mayor Paula Danks? Yes. Mayor Hutham? Yes. Motion is defeated and actually I don't have that motion in front of me so you will create one at some point.

1122
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:28,130
Okay. And we move on to the first integrity commissioner report from with respect to Councilor Hutchings.

1123
01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:39,840
Okay. Can we request Councilor Dunfield to come back, please?

1124
01:20:41,060 --> 01:20:41,180
Okay.

1125
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:49,070
Okay.

1126
01:20:49,070 --> 01:20:54,310
Okay, I will need a mover and a seconder, be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation

1127
01:20:54,310 --> 01:21:00,010
of the Township of the Lakes in accordance with the Integrity Commission report, IC 35307-1124

1128
01:21:00,010 --> 01:21:05,690
recommendation request that Councilor Hutchings provide an apology to Ms. Alfred.

1129
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:08,970
The mover

1130
01:21:08,970 --> 01:21:17,210
is Deputy Mayor Banks. Seconder is Councilor Maxwell. It is on the floor. Discussion?

1131
01:21:18,010 --> 01:21:25,100
Any discussion? Okay, then I guess we have the recorded vote.

1132
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,720
Councillor Jeff Banks. No.

1133
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:27,920
Councillor Carr. No.

1134
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:30,080
Councillor Delaney. Yes.

1135
01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:31,640
Councillor Dunfield. No.

1136
01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:33,420
Councillor Maxwell. Yes.

1137
01:21:33,820 --> 01:21:35,240
Councillor Pollard. Yes.

1138
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,500
Deputy Mayor Paul Banks. No.

1139
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:39,180
Mayor Luebendue. Yes.

1140
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,820
Motion is defeated and recorded vote.

1141
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:47,930
Let me move on to the second one,

1142
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:59,210
which is 1124. Okay? Again, mover and a seconder to follow the recommendation of the Integrity

1143
01:21:59,210 --> 01:22:03,930
Commissioner to provide an apology to Ms. Alford. So, do I move a mover and a second

1144
01:22:03,930 --> 01:22:11,610
for that? Root by Delaney and pressure Delaney. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Banks. We have

1145
01:22:11,610 --> 01:22:14,230
resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the Townsendry Lakes in accordance with

1146
01:22:14,230 --> 01:22:19,750
the integrity commissioner report IC 35312-1124 recommendation request that

1147
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:23,830
Councillor Hutchings provide an apology to Ms. Alford. Are there any

1148
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:31,290
discussion? Recorded both requested. All right please call the vote.

1149
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:35,490
Councillor Jeff Banks. No. Councillor Carter. No. Councillor Delaney. Yes.

1150
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:40,950
Councillor Dunfield. No. Councillor Maxwell. Yes. Councillor Pollard. Yes.

1151
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:44,490
Yes, Deputy Mayor Paula Banks, no, Mayor Huygenboom.

1152
01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:47,430
Yes, the motion is defeated, the court is vote.

1153
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,220
Does that mean we have a last round?

1154
01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:53,740
Yes.

1155
01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:55,400
No, we do.

1156
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:56,620
We do, too, we do.

1157
01:22:56,900 --> 01:22:58,320
It's going to be a safe place.

1158
01:22:58,620 --> 01:23:03,280
OK, I take it that, you know what, I'm going to have a change of mind.

1159
01:23:06,620 --> 01:23:07,040
Yes, you may.

1160
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:07,720
Thank you.

1161
01:23:10,220 --> 01:23:14,500
I'm so, anyways, I didn't get to speak on this about me.

1162
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:24,240
I did turn my back on one day after and I did it on my own because I didn't know

1163
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:30,780
what else to do because I just feel like a little critter you know just doesn't

1164
01:23:30,780 --> 01:23:35,120
know what to do but I am guilty of turning my back on you and I sincerely

1165
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,080
apologize do you accept my apology?

1166
01:23:42,140 --> 01:23:44,420
I know I don't have to but I'm

1167
01:23:44,420 --> 01:23:45,700
I'm owning up for what I did.

1168
01:23:45,980 --> 01:23:49,060
Councillor, Councillor, I do not want to get

1169
01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:50,920
into a back and forth for the audience, but it's fine.

1170
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,980
I just asked her, does she take my calls?

1171
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Well, if she wishes to speak at the end of the meeting,

1172
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,040
I will allow that.

1173
01:23:56,220 --> 01:23:57,600
All right, I'm taking it back.

1174
01:23:57,980 --> 01:23:59,400
Thank you for that.

1175
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:00,520
Thank you for that.

1176
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,920
Council voted not to require you to do that.

1177
01:24:04,100 --> 01:24:07,800
But I did, because I was owning up to what I did.

1178
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,840
Okay, I'm going to suggest that we take a break.

1179
01:24:16,460 --> 01:24:21,780
I would like to apologize to the delegation that came forward on November 4th it was

1180
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:27,600
inappropriate for me to turn my back on the grassroots delegation and I will not

1181
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:33,020
do that again we have taken some training and we understand now the proper

1182
01:24:33,020 --> 01:24:37,320
process to handle delegations that we don't want to hear and we will follow

1183
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:43,580
those processes going forward. Thank you. Thank you for that. Councillor Jeff, thank you, Mr.

1184
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:49,300
Speaker. Yes, I want to apologize for challenging the chair on a meeting and I don't know what the

1185
01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:59,020
date is and I will try not to do that again. Thank you for that. Um, anyone else? I'm going, oh,

1186
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:05,160
Councillor Carter. I apologize if I offended Mrs. Alfred as contained in the integrity commission

1187
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:14,400
The mayor had the authority and the responsibility to exercise a section 1017 of the Procedural

1188
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:14,840
By-law.

1189
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:20,400
I am disappointed this responsibility was not utilized by the mayor.

1190
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:21,400
Thank you.

1191
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:28,300
Thank you for the apology and for blaming me for it.

1192
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:29,640
Anyone else?

1193
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:30,760
Do you want to rest up?

1194
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:41,120
I'm going to call a 10 minute break, because I think we need to stretch, we need to clear

1195
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:47,340
our heads, go back, and that will allow staff to contact our solicitor to see if he is still

1196
01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:47,800
available.

1197
01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:49,360
Does that make sense?

1198
01:25:49,580 --> 01:25:51,180
Can we do an option to go in and close?

1199
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,860
Okay, let's do a motion.

1200
01:25:53,460 --> 01:25:54,720
Where do I find that motion?

1201
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:10,480
I have a move by Councillor Hutchings, seconded by Councillor Maxwell.

1202
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,380
The result of the Council of the Corporation of the Township of the Lakes closes the meeting

1203
01:26:14,380 --> 01:26:24,500
at 7.26 pm to discuss matters as per section 239, subsection 2 of the Municipal Act, Planning

1204
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:29,660
matters section 239 subsection 2f advice that is subject to solicitor client

1205
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:32,960
privilege including communication is necessary for that purpose regular

1206
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:37,380
council closed meeting minutes of February the 3rd 2025 municipal services

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01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:41,980
committee public rep closed meeting minutes of February 10th 2025 municipal

1208
01:26:41,980 --> 01:26:45,760
services committee GG closed meeting minutes of February 24th 2025

1209
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:51,700
planning advisory committee adjustment closed meeting minutes of February 26th

1210
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:57,680
and committee appointments resignation sections 239 subsection to be personal

1211
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:02,060
matters of those an identifiable individual including municipal local board

1212
01:27:02,060 --> 01:27:09,360
employee heard the motion any discussion all in favor thank you very much

1213
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:16,260
we're okay welcome back everyone and welcome to the public that might be

1214
01:27:16,260 --> 01:27:20,400
watching online we had a closed meeting where we dealt with a number of issues

1215
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,960
and I have it moved by Deputy Mayor Paula Banks, second by Councillor Dunfield.

1216
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:28,140
We resolved that the Council of the Corporation, the Township of Real Lakes,

1217
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,660
accepts the resignations of Dudley Hill, New Borough and Area CEC,

1218
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,980
Tayo Hickwell, Delta and Area CEC, and Mike Heaton, Accessibility Advisory Committee,

1219
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,540
and thanks these individuals for their volunteer service to Real Lakes.

1220
01:27:41,260 --> 01:27:46,780
And further, we resolved that the following individual, the Appointed to the Local

1221
01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:50,240
Community Enhancement Committee, Jordan DeLong, Elgin and Area CEC.

1222
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:51,880
Are there any discussion?

1223
01:27:52,420 --> 01:27:52,820
Call

1224
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:59,980
the question. All in favor?

1225
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,760
That motion is carried. Thank you members.

1226
01:28:06,610 --> 01:28:11,750
All right, we are back on our agenda and item number nine is delegations.

1227
01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:15,890
We have no delegations. We do have business arising

1228
01:28:16,730 --> 01:28:20,730
and the first issue is lower Beverday Park resolution number

1229
01:28:20,730 --> 01:28:28,350
04-2025 request to waive building fees for the children's pavilion and I have it moved

1230
01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:32,710
by Councillor Dunfield, seconded by Deputy Mayor Paula Banks, whereas at the Lord Mary

1231
01:28:32,710 --> 01:28:40,190
Lake Park Board meeting held January 28th, 2025 resolution 04-2025 was passed requesting

1232
01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:46,970
that the building permit fee of $1,406.25 for the proposed children's pavilion be

1233
01:28:46,970 --> 01:28:51,310
refunded to the management board on behalf of the seasonal campers. Now

1234
01:28:51,310 --> 01:28:54,190
therefore be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the

1235
01:28:54,190 --> 01:28:57,890
Temporary Lakes agrees to refund the Lower Berry Lake Park Board building

1236
01:28:57,890 --> 01:29:03,770
permit fees in the amount of $1,406.25 for the proposed children's pavilion.

1237
01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:10,630
Heard the motion discussion. Councilor Banks. I don't have any problem

1238
01:29:10,630 --> 01:29:14,670
waving this fee. If they can raise $35,000 I think we could probably

1239
01:29:14,670 --> 01:29:18,710
follow $1,400. I think it's a good idea that we wait for the payment.

1240
01:29:19,130 --> 01:29:25,010
Okay. Anyone else wish to comment? If not, then I'll call the question. All in favor?

1241
01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:27,850
Opposed of any? The motion is carried.

1242
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:37,540
The second item is a PACA resolution recommendation

1243
01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:45,780
number 25025 and this is with respect to renewal of the telecommunication tower approval.

1244
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:55,000
I have a move by Deputy Mayor Paul Banks seconded by Councilor DeLion whereas at the planning advisory and community adjustment meeting held Wednesday, February 26, 2025.

1245
01:29:55,420 --> 01:29:59,860
Community passed recommendation number 25, 025 regarding a telecommunication.

1246
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,440
Now, therefore, be resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the Townsville Lakes authorize

1247
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:11,020
staff to issue an extension for the letter of concurrence for the signum telecommunications

1248
01:30:11,020 --> 01:30:17,300
tower project that is to be located at Hackney Drive, Guido Lakes, Ontario. Legal description,

1249
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:27,520
see it. Concession 3, Part Lot 3, RP 28R 2378, Part 3. Heard the motion. Any discussion?

1250
01:30:28,860 --> 01:30:29,920
Councilor Maxwell, please.

1251
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:30,920
Thank you, Richard.

1252
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:33,920
I was surprised to see this back on the agenda.

1253
01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:37,280
I think that's the one off Highway 29.

1254
01:30:37,860 --> 01:30:38,020
Yes.

1255
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:40,840
Behind Bill's small engine repair.

1256
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,040
This is going back, what, four years?

1257
01:30:43,180 --> 01:30:43,640
Couple years.

1258
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,580
Couple years.

1259
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,060
Yeah, because I was on planning when they approved this.

1260
01:30:48,180 --> 01:30:48,240
Yeah.

1261
01:30:49,060 --> 01:30:52,080
I think what happened was they got their approvals,

1262
01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:53,160
they got everything lined up,

1263
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:54,920
and then for whatever reason,

1264
01:30:54,920 --> 01:31:02,940
project got delayed and they so they set it aside and now they want to revive it okay so at that time

1265
01:31:02,940 --> 01:31:07,460
they met all the there's a lot of federal requirements for this so I believe they met all the federal

1266
01:31:07,460 --> 01:31:13,460
requirements I think there wasn't there a garbage dump or something back there too not in that

1267
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:19,980
location here from the rack I believe. Okay, careful not to loss. That's strange. Okay,

1268
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,460
Caltrow Banks. I think was it not the correspondence that we had a planning

1269
01:31:25,460 --> 01:31:29,620
meeting that the application was for 60 meters, the tower, but it's actually

1270
01:31:29,620 --> 01:31:34,960
only 45. I think there was a change in the number of calls after what it was. I think it's

1271
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,820
set similar. Of course these towers once throughout they have to be made

1272
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:42,660
available to other, that's right, other providers. So these towers are one of

1273
01:31:42,660 --> 01:31:44,420
the ways that we end up with a little bit better

1274
01:31:44,420 --> 01:31:46,820
of solid coverage and so on and so forth.

1275
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:47,180
Yep.

1276
01:31:48,380 --> 01:31:49,920
Okay, anyone else?

1277
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:51,280
Then I'll call the question.

1278
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:51,880
All in favor?

1279
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:54,260
All to many?

1280
01:32:05,340 --> 01:32:07,860
Sorry, didn't even realize I had it.

1281
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,600
All right, let me move on to item number 11,

1282
01:32:14,370 --> 01:32:18,080
which is the minutes for a number of different meetings.

1283
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:23,980
And I have it moved by Deputy Mayor Paula Banks, second by Councillor Carr.

1284
01:32:24,660 --> 01:32:27,340
We have resolved that the Corporation of the Townsbury Lakes approves the minutes

1285
01:32:27,340 --> 01:32:29,560
and adopts all recommendations contained within the minutes

1286
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,020
unless otherwise dealt with of the regular council meeting of February the 3rd, 2025.

1287
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,600
The Municipal Service Committee Public Works meeting of February the 10th, 2025.

1288
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,220
The Economic Development Committee meeting of February the 3rd, 2025.

1289
01:32:43,060 --> 01:32:47,380
The Accessibility Advisory Committee meeting of February the 13th, 2025.

1290
01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:52,600
February 25, Mr. Heritage Advisory Committee meeting of February the 20th, 2025, the Blending

1291
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:58,800
Advisory Committee of Adjustment meeting of February 26, 2025, and further, the council

1292
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:03,240
acknowledges the minutes of the Lowell-Beverly-Lake Park Management Board meeting of January 28,

1293
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:09,620
2025, the Real Valley Conservation Authority meeting of January 23, 2025, and the Delta

1294
01:33:09,620 --> 01:33:13,860
and Area Recreational Society meeting of February 4, 2025.

1295
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:30,760
I think it was the regular council meeting, I think we're third in the mayor's update

1296
01:33:31,340 --> 01:33:32,380
on page six.

1297
01:33:33,020 --> 01:33:34,480
There was an error in the date.

1298
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:40,480
Yes, it was supposed to be 2026, not 2016.

1299
01:33:41,060 --> 01:33:41,200
Right.

1300
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:46,280
And then you didn't include the special council meeting.

1301
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:54,380
meeting on the 24th or the? No, I have separate motions for those. Okay. Okay. And a separate

1302
01:33:54,380 --> 01:33:59,380
motion for the Planning Advisory Committee of Adjustment meeting of February 12th as well.

1303
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:03,200
Okay, so motion as read. Any further questions or comments?

1304
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,100
I'll call the question then.

1305
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:07,620
All in favor?

1306
01:34:10,660 --> 01:34:11,060
Members?

1307
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:17,970
Then I need a mover and a seconder to deal with the Municipal

1308
01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:25,520
the service committee GG meeting of February the 24th, 2025 remove those

1309
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:33,720
minutes February 24th February 24th GG meeting of yes and the special council

1310
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:38,580
meeting yes I believe there's someone indicated that they did not wish to

1311
01:34:38,580 --> 01:34:43,520
support those motions so that's why I'm looking for a mover in the second

1312
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:44,880
I'll move it.

1313
01:34:45,260 --> 01:34:46,560
Moved by Councillor Maxwell.

1314
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,120
Seconded by Councillor Delaney.

1315
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,640
We resolve that the Corporation of the Township of Rita Lakes

1316
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,500
approves the minutes and adopts all recommendations

1317
01:34:57,500 --> 01:34:59,740
contained within the minutes, unless otherwise dealt with

1318
01:34:59,740 --> 01:35:02,900
of the Municipal Service Committee GG meeting held

1319
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:04,700
February 24th, 2025.

1320
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:07,160
Any discussion?

1321
01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:08,900
Councillor Maxwell.

1322
01:35:09,060 --> 01:35:09,360
Okay.

1323
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,340
Again, like last month, the reason I pulled these is

1324
01:35:13,340 --> 01:35:20,300
there was recorded votes in there that I voted no on and I'm I'm still saying no

1325
01:35:20,300 --> 01:35:25,540
I don't want to take a chance that now it's being reversed as I've been told

1326
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,640
and it's meaning I'm agreeing with it because I'm not so I'd like a recorded

1327
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:37,320
vote for these two. Okay well I'm only given with one at a time. Any other comments?

1328
01:35:38,460 --> 01:35:43,060
We can do them both together. I'm not going into it's just the

1329
01:35:43,060 --> 01:35:47,800
that's complete I'm not doing on separate sections I'm doing the special

1330
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:52,960
council meeting separately and the municipal service committee those two

1331
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:58,100
separate they're both separate separate motions the motion that read is simply

1332
01:35:58,100 --> 01:36:02,380
for the GG meeting on February 24th approval of the minutes okay

1333
01:36:02,380 --> 01:36:07,000
council Dunfield thanks mr. Mayor in this meeting there were some

1334
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:12,460
declarations of the community interest does that mean those should be

1335
01:36:12,460 --> 01:36:16,000
reminded? I don't understand.

1336
01:36:18,780 --> 01:36:23,640
Maybe the clerk or the CAO could explain if there was a declaration

1337
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:29,460
made should we be voting on these minutes. Okay, Madam Clerk? I do believe the declaration

1338
01:36:29,460 --> 01:36:37,060
wasn't to do with the open session of minutes. It was a closed session of minutes. The declarations

1339
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:38,200
were made in open session?

1340
01:36:38,440 --> 01:36:43,640
It says in any item on the agenda in the open meeting.

1341
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:46,900
It would refer to closed session.

1342
01:36:47,220 --> 01:36:47,600
Oh, OK.

1343
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:48,640
And I didn't close session.

1344
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:49,180
OK.

1345
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,020
But the general rule is, if you declare on an issue,

1346
01:36:53,340 --> 01:36:55,260
and later on in the minutes, you're

1347
01:36:55,260 --> 01:36:58,780
supposed to declare again for whatever reason.

1348
01:36:59,020 --> 01:37:01,300
I think it's a little redundant,

1349
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,200
but actually the legislation reads it.

1350
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,100
But then we found it from the integrity commissioner.

1351
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,220
We didn't have to be clear.

1352
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:09,100
Okay, thank you.

1353
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:10,060
Go by the legislation.

1354
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,580
So are we declaring or are we not?

1355
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:14,320
No, you don't have to know it's done.

1356
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:16,680
I've read the motion.

1357
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,520
I'm ready to call the question.

1358
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,060
All in favor of these moves?

1359
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:22,300
Are we courted voting?

1360
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,180
All those who are requesting, sorry, sorry, sorry.

1361
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:26,780
Okay, we're not having any discussion.

1362
01:37:27,900 --> 01:37:31,020
Okay, well, it shows carried if we don't do that

1363
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:32,100
so there's no way around it.

1364
01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:34,340
We can discuss it again if there's a courted vote.

1365
01:37:34,980 --> 01:37:38,380
Okay, I want to.

1366
01:37:38,380 --> 01:37:45,360
know the discussion? What are we doing here? I'm not sure. I would love to know. What are you

1367
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:50,120
talking about? We're talking about the minutes of February the 24th. Council

1368
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:55,140
Maxwell is objecting to one of the issues that was discussed at that meeting.

1369
01:37:56,120 --> 01:38:02,200
Okay. Would that be? There was a recorded vote that I said no and I've been

1370
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:06,900
instructed that if I say yes I'm in the minutes, which the minutes are

1371
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:12,420
accurate but apparently where there's a recorded vote and you've recorded no

1372
01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:18,760
on it if I say yes to the minutes it says I'm reversing my and I don't want

1373
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:26,600
to do that and then when it comes out on the minutes if I don't ask for a

1374
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,180
recorded vote then it shows that it carried and it looks as if I did vote

1375
01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:35,720
people would have to go back here to this recording to hear that I opposed to

1376
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:44,380
and that's fine. I hear that discussion. I mean I'm going to vote for the

1377
01:38:44,380 --> 01:38:48,800
minutes although I probably voted with you that Councilor Maxwell at the time

1378
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:54,920
I do not want to go back and revisit every one of these. No I'm not I'm not

1379
01:38:54,920 --> 01:39:00,080
asking that but I'm just simply saying we can have a recorded vote on these

1380
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,820
minutes and you can register your objection but I would encourage

1381
01:39:04,820 --> 01:39:08,900
to encourage people to approve these minutes at the RAC.

1382
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,520
Councillor, can I clarify something?

1383
01:39:12,340 --> 01:39:15,160
You're approving the minutes, but the wording in the motion

1384
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:20,100
is, and all motions there within, which is the issue.

1385
01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:23,920
Perhaps we need to think about whether we just simply

1386
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:24,680
approve the minutes.

1387
01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:27,380
We've talked about having a consent agenda where

1388
01:39:27,380 --> 01:39:29,640
all the motions go out and just approve the minutes

1389
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,500
and we can deal with the items separately.

1390
01:39:31,660 --> 01:39:32,820
But the way it's structured here

1391
01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:36,520
all of the motions are in the minutes. When you approve the minutes you also

1392
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:42,200
approve all the motions therein. Well I'm not going to deliver the point from my

1393
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:46,900
perspective but others can't if they wish to. Councillor Jeff Banks. So if

1394
01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:53,120
Councillor Maxwell wants to vote against the minutes that means that she

1395
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:59,400
is actually voting for for the other five people that voted for the office

1396
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:04,700
issue because if you're voting for the minutes that means you're voting for

1397
01:40:04,700 --> 01:40:08,560
the actions inside the minutes if you're voting against minutes that means

1398
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,420
you're actually going against what you said if you voted against something then

1399
01:40:12,420 --> 01:40:16,060
you voted against the minutes again you're doing a double negative which

1400
01:40:16,060 --> 01:40:20,960
means that it's it's very confusing I don't know why we just don't say like

1401
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,160
council maximum just say I approve the minutes as they are because it says

1402
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:31,540
right there that she is against the office issue. Well and I've discussed this with staff before

1403
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,360
and I just feel it's convoluted the way we do it. We'll see whether it changes in the future.

1404
01:40:38,060 --> 01:40:42,360
But we've had a request for a recorded vote and I'm going to honor that and I'll ask the court

1405
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:49,920
to call the question. Councillor Jeff Banks. This is to approve the minutes. Oh yes. February 24th.

1406
01:40:51,380 --> 01:40:54,300
Do you want to have a clue what I'm doing so I want to say no.

1407
01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:56,980
Councilor Delaney.

1408
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:58,320
Yes.

1409
01:40:58,980 --> 01:40:59,940
Councilor Dunfield.

1410
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:04,480
Well I don't.

1411
01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:05,340
I'm getting tired.

1412
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:06,100
I'm getting tired.

1413
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:06,460
Yes.

1414
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:07,720
Thank you.

1415
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:09,520
Let's keep it together.

1416
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:10,580
Councilor Hutchings.

1417
01:41:11,420 --> 01:41:12,240
I approve the letters.

1418
01:41:13,020 --> 01:41:13,760
Councilor Maxwell.

1419
01:41:14,380 --> 01:41:14,660
No.

1420
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:16,080
Councilor Pollard.

1421
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:16,620
No.

1422
01:41:17,780 --> 01:41:19,760
Deputy Mayor Paul Banks.

1423
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:20,240
No.

1424
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:47,480
All right, now we have the same issue with respect to the February 24th special council

1425
01:41:47,480 --> 01:41:47,760
meeting.

1426
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:52,060
I need a mover and a seconder to get it on the floor.

1427
01:41:52,620 --> 01:41:54,780
If I have somebody move these minutes, please.

1428
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,500
Councillor Maxwell.

1429
01:41:59,930 --> 01:42:00,450
Seconder.

1430
01:42:01,790 --> 01:42:04,310
We need a seconder, otherwise the minutes aren't going to be discussed.

1431
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:05,710
So Councillor Pollard.

1432
01:42:06,990 --> 01:42:10,670
Are you resolved that the Corporation of the County of Real Lakes approves the minutes

1433
01:42:10,670 --> 01:42:14,050
and adopts all recommendations contained within the minutes, unless otherwise dealt

1434
01:42:14,050 --> 01:42:20,650
with of the special council meeting, February 24th, 2025, and we have a request for

1435
01:42:20,650 --> 01:42:25,970
recorded voting in? Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to open this for more discussion.

1436
01:42:26,350 --> 01:42:32,630
Madam Clerk, call the question, please. Councillor Jeff Banks. No. This is to

1437
01:42:32,630 --> 01:42:36,570
approve the minutes. But it's the issue in the minutes. I don't understand why.

1438
01:42:39,770 --> 01:42:46,870
Councillor Maxwell doesn't agree with what's in the minutes. Then I don't

1439
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:50,050
think I should agree either because then she's going to say no for the

1440
01:42:50,050 --> 01:42:53,250
minutes and that means she's voting positive. I don't know what's kind of

1441
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:58,650
mixed up. I read no. I said no. Excuse me. You stick with the note. You're saying no.

1442
01:42:59,050 --> 01:43:08,290
Okay. You know my I'm gonna say no. All right. Well it doesn't matter. It's

1443
01:43:08,290 --> 01:43:14,630
absolutely ridiculous. Okay. Councilor Delaney. Yes. Councilor Dunfield.

1444
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:21,000
This is

1445
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:25,660
Just these minutes or all these are just these minutes. Yes.

1446
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:40,060
Councilor Hutchings. I'd say they are accurate. So yes. Councilor Maxwell. No. Councilor Pollard. No, you don't know what to do.

1447
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:55,720
Yes. Okay, that motion then is defeated. Does that mean that all motions within that

1448
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:59,220
minute are repeated so the 33% drawings are not approved?

1449
01:43:59,220 --> 01:44:02,580
All right, we can put a special motion for now.

1450
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:03,160
Yeah.

1451
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:04,460
Advanced slide please.

1452
01:44:06,340 --> 01:44:06,960
Oh my god.

1453
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:07,240
All right.

1454
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:08,620
Well, is this getting ridiculous?

1455
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:09,740
It's getting ridiculous.

1456
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:10,620
It is.

1457
01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:11,260
OK.

1458
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,900
So that deal deals with all the minutes?

1459
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:15,000
Correct?

1460
01:44:15,420 --> 01:44:15,740
No, no.

1461
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,760
I have one more set of minutes before we go forward.

1462
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:19,160
Yes.

1463
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:20,920
I'd like to put a motion on the floor

1464
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:26,180
to put the 33% drawings at a special motion please.

1465
01:44:26,180 --> 01:44:30,890
Can I have a wording for that motion?

1466
01:44:31,450 --> 01:44:34,290
It can be the same as what said in the minutes game.

1467
01:44:34,410 --> 01:44:36,330
No, things were explained a little better.

1468
01:44:39,130 --> 01:44:41,270
Well, staff tried to explain this.

1469
01:44:41,670 --> 01:44:45,290
The motions that just came forward were to approve the minutes.

1470
01:44:46,690 --> 01:44:48,390
And the last seven minutes got defeated.

1471
01:44:51,710 --> 01:44:55,910
And yet, everybody agrees that they're back at reflection of what took place.

1472
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:57,750
And why are we pulling them for the court of vote?

1473
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:59,870
Well, because...

1474
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,980
Because I think some members of council have been told that if they vote in favor of the minutes,

1475
01:45:06,180 --> 01:45:12,580
they're effectively reversing their vote from the meeting, which I've never felt that that was the case.

1476
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:14,120
You're recorded.

1477
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:18,520
That the recorded vote is still in the minutes. So if the minutes are approved, people can go back and say,

1478
01:45:18,700 --> 01:45:23,760
yeah, the mayor voted for this, or the mayor voted against this, or councilor Hutchings voted for it and didn't vote it out.

1479
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,980
You know, I think motion, I, Florida, I think it's,

1480
01:45:30,740 --> 01:45:32,360
let's, I mean it's repeated.

1481
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,740
There's a request to put a motion on the floor though.

1482
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,020
We have a motion next floor.

1483
01:45:36,220 --> 01:45:37,020
Could I make a recommendation?

1484
01:45:37,940 --> 01:45:38,240
Sure.

1485
01:45:38,580 --> 01:45:40,360
Because we have the MSC meeting

1486
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,260
and then we immediately went into the council meeting

1487
01:45:42,260 --> 01:45:43,240
it was passed to council.

1488
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,420
I think we just need to change the motion

1489
01:45:45,420 --> 01:45:46,740
that says you approve the minutes

1490
01:45:46,740 --> 01:45:48,860
but you get rid of the statement that says

1491
01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:50,100
and all motions there within

1492
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:52,000
because it was already been to a council meeting.

1493
01:45:52,060 --> 01:45:52,460
Thank you.

1494
01:45:52,460 --> 01:45:59,260
All the other ones on here were for MSC meetings, and things at MSC only get ratified at a council meeting, which is today.

1495
01:45:59,740 --> 01:46:04,560
So that item would be different because it already had its own council meeting for you, Shelley.

1496
01:46:04,900 --> 01:46:05,540
Thank you.

1497
01:46:05,940 --> 01:46:08,960
So we need another motion because we've already voted on this one.

1498
01:46:08,980 --> 01:46:13,540
So I would do another motion but strike the comments and all items there within.

1499
01:46:13,940 --> 01:46:18,180
Okay, so be it resolved that the Corporation of the Township of Real Lakes approves the minutes?

1500
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,460
Period. February 24th.

1501
01:46:30,420 --> 01:46:35,480
So now we have this new motion which will strike out the other the other moment

1502
01:46:35,480 --> 01:46:41,600
jumbo that is confusing everybody okay do I have a mover in a second or this

1503
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:47,800
motion thank you cancer options a second field thank you cancer gunfield

1504
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:54,520
discussion. This is just to approve the minutes. Okay, call the question all in

1505
01:46:54,520 --> 01:47:02,480
favor. Opposed of any? Okay the motion is carried. Thank you. Now we have planning

1506
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:07,180
advisory committee of adjustment and I believe I had a declarative conflict on

1507
01:47:07,180 --> 01:47:11,800
moves. So I have a move by Councillor Maxwell, seconded by Councillor

1508
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,820
Hutchings. Be it resolved that the corporation of the County Relakes

1509
01:47:14,820 --> 01:47:17,740
approves the minutes and adopts all recommendations contained within those

1510
01:47:17,740 --> 01:47:21,340
minutes unless otherwise dealt with of the planning advisory and committee of

1511
01:47:21,340 --> 01:47:27,200
adjustment meeting February 12th 2025. Are there any discussion? I'll call the

1512
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,020
question. All in favor?

1513
01:47:29,900 --> 01:47:31,440
The motion is carried. Thank you members.

1514
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:41,440
Do you want me to go back and do it again?

1515
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:47,800
Well, I like they're a little slower, like, you know, I didn't know they'd end up triple

1516
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:48,100
naked.

1517
01:47:48,460 --> 01:47:50,760
And I lost where I am on my thing now.

1518
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:51,180
All right.

1519
01:47:51,740 --> 01:47:59,300
I'll call the question again, all in favor of the planning and committee of adjustment

1520
01:47:59,300 --> 01:48:01,860
meeting minutes of February 12th.

1521
01:48:02,660 --> 01:48:05,100
I see a majority of the hands go up, opposed if any.

1522
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:06,980
No one's opposed.

1523
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:07,500
Okay.

1524
01:48:08,220 --> 01:48:08,960
What happened to Mars?

1525
01:48:09,060 --> 01:48:10,960
Let me move to the next item.

1526
01:48:13,260 --> 01:48:18,200
We know how bylaws, and we have two bylaws that will be pulled out separately.

1527
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,840
The first one deals with the flag policy.

1528
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:27,360
I have it moved by Councilor Jeff Bank, second by Councilor Hutchings, be it resolved with

1529
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:34,300
bylaw 2025-31, being a bylaw to amend bylaw number 2020-08, the flag policy, be taken

1530
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:38,800
as read first and second time the short way this third day of March, 2025.

1531
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:40,220
discussion.

1532
01:48:42,860 --> 01:48:47,780
Simply I will I'll be voting against this bylaw. I think the

1533
01:48:47,780 --> 01:48:53,800
existing policy was working fine by refusing to fly anyone's flag. I think

1534
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:59,600
we have a whole lot of groups that are going to be disadvantaged and it's only

1535
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:07,520
fair that they continue to be able to fly a flag for for a week. So I'll be

1536
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,520
voting against this motion. Any other comments or discussion?

1537
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:15,760
Councilor Jeff Banks. I'm going to vote for this. I am a firm believer that if

1538
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,360
you're going to fly one you fly them all and I think that would take away the I

1539
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:28,640
guess the conflict that the clerk will have to make with some people and she

1540
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,060
would you know that would take away the problem with her and that we would

1541
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:34,260
only fly the township flag the Canadian flag and the provincial flag and that's

1542
01:49:34,260 --> 01:49:40,520
I don't think the clerks had an issue with it in the past, but we have not had groups

1543
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:44,620
that might be quite questionable request this kind of a task.

1544
01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:47,660
Okay, anyone else wish to speak to this?

1545
01:49:48,900 --> 01:49:49,880
Deputy Mayor Banks.

1546
01:49:51,460 --> 01:49:53,860
I thought we did have a questionable group.

1547
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:56,800
Not like this came forward.

1548
01:49:57,420 --> 01:50:04,580
I had a member of the Portland Church and the Elgin Church who told me that the Christian

1549
01:50:04,580 --> 01:50:11,940
heritage was questionable, that is why I will be like, I would like to go back to the old

1550
01:50:11,940 --> 01:50:18,020
flag policy, I think, Justin's letter and a little bit of heat that I took from my

1551
01:50:18,020 --> 01:50:20,900
relatives has made me change my mind on this.

1552
01:50:21,260 --> 01:50:24,620
Thank you for that, Councilor Hutchings.

1553
01:50:24,620 --> 01:50:31,360
So, now, like, without just reading it again, because everybody's kind of...

1554
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:37,000
I think that we shouldn't discriminate anybody, and by not discriminating about anybody,

1555
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:40,380
and we don't leave anybody out, we fly the Canadian flag,

1556
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:45,360
read a lakes flag, and the Ontario flag,

1557
01:50:45,900 --> 01:50:49,360
and anybody who wants, I think there was a misunderstanding

1558
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:54,700
that we were trying to tell people in their own properties that they couldn't

1559
01:50:54,700 --> 01:51:01,260
fly the flag. You can fly whatever flag you want. But we don't have enough

1560
01:51:01,260 --> 01:51:06,740
flag poles and we'll leave somebody out and somebody will be upset. So I'm not

1561
01:51:06,740 --> 01:51:12,560
against anybody. I just this this bylaw would eliminate anyone's special

1562
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:17,000
flag from being flown at the Town Hall. We have three flag poles. What

1563
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:22,100
happens when we fly a way flag or a gay pride flag or whatever the case might be

1564
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:27,960
Christian or Christian flag we take the township flag down and we for that one

1565
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:34,960
week we fly the other flag so that's that's the deal okay counselor car but

1566
01:51:35,940 --> 01:51:42,320
I'm gonna say I've never seen you change a flag in Elgin we don't change the

1567
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,080
flag, that the policy only hears which flag.

1568
01:51:45,860 --> 01:51:46,720
I guess I understood you there.

1569
01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:49,960
Everywhere else, Elgin parks that have flag poles,

1570
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:53,600
we simply fly the Canadian flag, and that's it.

1571
01:51:53,860 --> 01:51:55,500
OK, because I thought you OK.

1572
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,640
Now, there is one special exception in the by-law,

1573
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:01,220
and that's at Portland, the Hanna Park, where

1574
01:52:02,020 --> 01:52:06,000
we have the King's Mill on whatever use flag.

1575
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,060
Any other questions or comments

1576
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:15,540
Before I call the vote on 1st and 2nd Rating, I will ask for a recorded vote on this matter of work.

1577
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:24,080
And can we just clarify the question? So if you're voting in favor of this, it means that we will not fly special flags.

1578
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,020
We will not fly any flags other than the three that we currently fly.

1579
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:29,380
This location only.

1580
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:30,000
Correct, correct.

1581
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:31,080
This location only.

1582
01:52:31,220 --> 01:52:32,160
This location only.

1583
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,920
Now we do not allow special flags in any of our other township locations,

1584
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:39,480
other than the Kingsmill ones.

1585
01:52:43,420 --> 01:52:50,980
that's the policy currently we made we made the decision back whenever that we

1586
01:52:50,980 --> 01:52:56,060
would only take the third call at the township office for up to one week and

1587
01:52:56,060 --> 01:53:06,680
the organization had to provide the flag okay anyone else call the vote

1588
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:13,980
please. Councillor Jeff Banks. Yes. Councillor Cove. Councillor Delaney. Yes. Councillor

1589
01:53:13,980 --> 01:53:21,060
Dunfield. Yes. Councillor Hutchings. Yes. Councillor Maxwell. No. Councillor Pollard.

1590
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:30,900
Yes. Deputy Mayor of Paula Banks. No. Mayor of the Move. No. Motion is carried. Just

1591
01:53:30,900 --> 01:53:37,820
can I have a clarification? Yes. Before we go any further on that, it says not be permitted

1592
01:53:39,500 --> 01:53:43,340
to be flown on municipally owned properties. Correct.

1593
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:47,720
Well, we fly flags and other properties

1594
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:53,860
in the municipality, don't we? We fly the Canadian flag where we have poles and parks

1595
01:53:53,860 --> 01:54:01,960
and things of that nature. Yeah, but not special interest group flags, no. But you

1596
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:08,380
only said here. The policy only allowed the special flags here. Now what we just

1597
01:54:08,380 --> 01:54:13,340
passed first and second reading is that that policy is going out the window, okay?

1598
01:54:13,700 --> 01:54:23,380
That's not way on it or steady. When you vote yes for the bylaw, I said

1599
01:54:23,380 --> 01:54:29,700
what it stays the same so that we don't miss anybody then we're not

1600
01:54:29,700 --> 01:54:34,960
going to be in any like. Well then you voted the way you explained it. Councillor

1601
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,160
Hutchings. Did I? Yes.

1602
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:44,780
Because it's just sort of all of a sudden contradicted itself in my ears.

1603
01:54:44,980 --> 01:54:52,300
No, no, no, no. Yeah, the bylaw would change the policy to not allow any

1604
01:54:52,300 --> 01:54:57,520
special interest group flags to be flown on any municipal property. Okay.

1605
01:54:58,300 --> 01:54:59,620
All right, now I have third reading.

1606
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,360
I have it moved by Councilor Maxwell,

1607
01:55:01,420 --> 01:55:02,520
seconded by Councilor Carr.

1608
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:07,180
We've resolved the bylaw 2025-31 to be taken as the third time

1609
01:55:07,180 --> 01:55:09,380
and finally passed this third day of March, 2025.

1610
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:11,540
Any final discussion?

1611
01:55:13,140 --> 01:55:14,200
Then I'll call the question.

1612
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:15,660
All in favor of third reading.

1613
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:19,200
Can I see the hands clearly, please?

1614
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:20,180
We don't know.

1615
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:20,700
One, two.

1616
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:23,520
Opposed, if any.

1617
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:24,500
Yes, I am.

1618
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:25,820
I want to condone them that way.

1619
01:55:25,820 --> 01:55:28,480
So now we got defeated in the third reading.

1620
01:55:30,540 --> 01:55:31,500
Just got defeated.

1621
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:33,900
I stuck to the same book.

1622
01:55:34,740 --> 01:55:35,120
I did.

1623
01:55:35,380 --> 01:55:36,500
The Bible says the same.

1624
01:55:36,780 --> 01:55:38,240
So the Bible says the same books.

1625
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:39,060
He did third reading.

1626
01:55:40,220 --> 01:55:44,140
So in the third reading you overturned what you approved in the first and second.

1627
01:55:44,900 --> 01:55:45,500
Did I?

1628
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:46,360
Yeah.

1629
01:55:47,140 --> 01:55:49,740
I have no idea what's going on here.

1630
01:55:49,740 --> 01:55:50,460
You voted wrong.

1631
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:51,800
You did good.

1632
01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:52,700
Okay.

1633
01:55:53,980 --> 01:56:02,800
I know you kiss your laugh at me, but you know, you know, you're all talking at the same time and you change, you know, around and I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that and sorry.

1634
01:56:05,300 --> 01:56:18,460
I now have the bylaw zoning bylaw amendment 17-2024 butcher and Delaney and I have it moved by Councillor Hutchings, second by Councillor Jeff Banks.

1635
01:56:18,460 --> 01:56:24,540
Speed resolved the fallout 2025-36 zoning by law amendment 17-2024

1636
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,420
butcher and Delaney taken as read a first and second time the short way this

1637
01:56:28,420 --> 01:56:32,780
third day of March 2025. Heard the motion discussion.

1638
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:37,220
Councilor Hutchings please. I don't know when I can do this but I want to put that

1639
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:42,380
motion forward I want to see the results of the wells.

1640
01:56:43,380 --> 01:56:47,200
They want it deferred. I don't know what I want but I want to see the wells.

1641
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:57,740
Okay, so your motion will be to defer this bylaw until you receive the well the way the way sites well

1642
01:56:57,740 --> 01:57:05,160
Results results. Yes, I've said that three. Okay. Wait. No, but do we have a seconder before we get into discussion?

1643
01:57:05,420 --> 01:57:08,700
Councilor Jeff Banks second discussion, please.

1644
01:57:11,660 --> 01:57:17,320
Councilor Jeff Banks. There was there were some concerns about some of the issues at the planning

1645
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:23,760
and the issues of some information, we need to have that information.

1646
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:27,860
Before I need to see the information before I can move forward, so I can't support this.

1647
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:36,300
So the motion is to defer, so we, that is the level of detail that we need at this point in time.

1648
01:57:37,460 --> 01:57:42,120
Okay, any other, anyone else wish to comment on this?

1649
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:45,440
Now I'll call the question, all in favor of deferral.

1650
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:47,640
Opposed of any?

1651
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:51,280
That motion is carried.

1652
01:57:51,540 --> 01:57:52,460
Not this one.

1653
01:57:53,260 --> 01:57:57,100
This is occurred that you'll have a separate motion for me to sign later on.

1654
01:57:58,200 --> 01:57:58,720
Okay?

1655
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:02,320
Let me move on to the balance of the bylaws,

1656
01:58:02,540 --> 01:58:07,260
which I believe are all in one motion unless someone wants any one of them pulled out separately.

1657
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:11,040
I have it moved by Councillor Dunfield,

1658
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:12,420
with second of accounts for delaying.

1659
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,520
It resolved that the following bylaws be taken

1660
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:15,860
as we're at a first and second time

1661
01:58:15,860 --> 01:58:18,160
the short way this third day of March, 2025.

1662
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:23,600
Bylaw 25-32, agreement with Dali dust control,

1663
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,480
limited dust suppressant.

1664
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:29,160
Bylaw 20-25-33, agreement with gutters

1665
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:30,900
to glory sweeping, street sweeping.

1666
01:58:31,620 --> 01:58:34,400
Bylaw 20-25-34, agreement with George

1667
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:35,820
Tacheverian Sun's construction,

1668
01:58:36,380 --> 01:58:37,400
the granular replacement.

1669
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:42,480
Bylaw 2025-35 to amend the agreement with GIM.

1670
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:48,740
Bylaw number 2025-37, zoning bylaw amendment 37-24,

1671
01:58:49,300 --> 01:58:49,740
Spence.

1672
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:55,160
Bylaw 2025-38, adopt nonprofit bag tag policy.

1673
01:58:55,740 --> 01:59:00,280
Bylaw 2025-39, agreement with Rita Roots for

1674
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:01,400
Horticultural Services.

1675
01:59:02,020 --> 01:59:05,120
Bylaw 2025-40, agreement with Green Acres,

1676
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:13,900
greenhouses and landscaping for beautification watering, bylaw 2025-41, amend bylaw 2050-01,

1677
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:21,160
user fees and charges, commemorative, bench and tree fees, and finally bylaw 2025-42,

1678
01:59:21,460 --> 01:59:24,640
smoking and vaporizing. Make a motion.

1679
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:40,340
I just read what people put before me here, vaping, I guess spell tech didn't catch that,

1680
01:59:40,420 --> 01:59:40,460
eh?

1681
01:59:41,100 --> 01:59:42,600
He just vaporized it in his bylaw.

1682
01:59:44,430 --> 01:59:45,810
I thought that came from my husband.

1683
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:46,230
Okay.

1684
01:59:46,850 --> 01:59:49,350
Any discussion on the first and second reading of these bylaws?

1685
01:59:50,570 --> 01:59:51,590
Then I'll call the question.

1686
01:59:51,730 --> 01:59:52,170
All in favor?

1687
01:59:53,170 --> 01:59:54,070
That motion is carried.

1688
01:59:54,250 --> 01:59:54,730
Thank you, members.

1689
01:59:58,520 --> 01:59:59,920
Then we have all of these bottles.

1690
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,200
Bylaws which be resolved, moved by Deputy Mayor Paula Banks, second by Councilor Maxwell.

1691
02:00:04,460 --> 02:00:14,620
Be it resolved that bylaws 20, 25, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41 and 42 be taken as

1692
02:00:14,620 --> 02:00:20,160
read at third time and finally passed this third day of March 2025. Any final

1693
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:26,360
discussion? If not, I'll call the question. All in favor. That motion is carried. Thank you, members.

1694
02:00:34,570 --> 02:00:42,090
We have one piece of correspondence, which is just there for information, because we've

1695
02:00:42,090 --> 02:00:45,930
already dealt with the flag policy and I have a move by Councillor Dunfield, second by Councillor

1696
02:00:45,930 --> 02:00:46,350
Pollard.

1697
02:00:46,730 --> 02:00:49,970
Be resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the Temporary Lakes receives and files

1698
02:00:49,970 --> 02:00:52,230
correspondence items 13.1.

1699
02:00:53,090 --> 02:00:54,530
Did the motion any discussion?

1700
02:00:55,730 --> 02:00:58,530
I'll call Deputy Mayor Banks.

1701
02:00:58,530 --> 02:00:58,670
Thanks.

1702
02:00:59,030 --> 02:01:01,490
I just would like to say I thought it was a really good letter.

1703
02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:03,030
OK.

1704
02:01:05,430 --> 02:01:06,690
I'll call a question.

1705
02:01:06,850 --> 02:01:07,270
All in favor.

1706
02:01:17,300 --> 02:01:19,120
If you have dealt with all

1707
02:01:21,740 --> 02:01:24,040
of the board members.

1708
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:24,480
Fortune is my one.

1709
02:01:26,380 --> 02:01:27,260
Oh, yes.

1710
02:01:27,660 --> 02:01:27,820
OK.

1711
02:01:28,620 --> 02:01:30,160
Proposed motion, Councilor Dunfield,

1712
02:01:30,340 --> 02:01:32,800
purchase of chairs and dollies for the Portland Community

1713
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:33,640
Hall Library.

1714
02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:37,180
And the motion means a seconder.

1715
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:38,540
I have a move by Councilor Dunfield.

1716
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:39,500
Do I have a seconder?

1717
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:45,320
Councilor Carter, whereas the town of Green Lakes is currently in the process of

1718
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:48,440
planning construction of the Portland Community Hall and Green Lakes Library

1719
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:52,780
Portland branch and whereas when the old community hall with them demolished all

1720
02:01:52,780 --> 02:01:56,240
assets were either sold put in the storage or disposed of and whereas

1721
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:59,760
there's no longer any chairs for the public to use in the hall and whereas

1722
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:02,940
the best price to date for 150 stackable chairs has been found at

1723
02:02:02,940 --> 02:02:08,040
Costco for $71.43 a chair for a total before taxes of

1724
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,140
$10,714.50.

1725
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,360
Now, therefore, be it resolved that the manager of Facility

1726
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:14,680
and Parks be authorized to purchase

1727
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:17,300
150 stackable chairs for the Portland Community Hall,

1728
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:19,240
and further the trolleys be purchased

1729
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:21,400
to allow for a free storage capacity,

1730
02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:23,200
and further that this cost be covered

1731
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:25,880
by the contingency funds allotted to this project.

1732
02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:28,220
Heard the motion discussion.

1733
02:02:31,260 --> 02:02:32,820
Councilor Carr, I'll take you first.

1734
02:02:32,820 --> 02:02:34,820
No, I was just thinking, like all the halls

1735
02:02:34,820 --> 02:02:38,100
that we've had built, we seem to buy all of this.

1736
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:40,720
It's just goes with the package.

1737
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:42,360
Okay.

1738
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:44,020
Councilor Jeff Banks.

1739
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:50,940
Yeah, I'm thinking that we're probably still under 2.3 million for the hall because there's a big contingency fund there.

1740
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:55,060
So I'm okay with passing this because we're done really.

1741
02:02:55,260 --> 02:03:01,500
There's not just a couple of cleanup issues from what the manager of public property said.

1742
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:06,380
So we're, we did very well on this for 2.3 million.

1743
02:03:06,380 --> 02:03:13,240
I mean, I think it's a great achievement for us, and who else wishes to speak to this?

1744
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:14,000
Councillor Dylane.

1745
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:15,520
Thank you, Your Worship.

1746
02:03:16,340 --> 02:03:20,940
I thought contingency funds were risk management for building.

1747
02:03:21,860 --> 02:03:26,220
That the contractors would build that in just in case they ran into a problem.

1748
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:31,900
I don't think it should be used to cover furnishings or a party.

1749
02:03:32,660 --> 02:03:32,960
Okay.

1750
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:39,380
this is dealing strictly with the with the chairs well I was covering the

1751
02:03:39,380 --> 02:03:46,180
second one which is for the same thing okay counselor Maxwell okay yeah I was

1752
02:03:46,180 --> 02:03:50,660
fine I didn't I was going to question whether the contingency funds could be

1753
02:03:50,660 --> 02:03:56,300
used for this I also think the chairs are pretty expensive at seventy one

1754
02:03:56,300 --> 02:04:01,960
dollars and forty three cents but my big question is what happened to the

1755
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:07,820
furniture. I know the tables are still around. What happened to the chairs? Why are there

1756
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:12,980
no chairs? They were sold. Why? Okay. Okay.

1757
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:20,280
Deputy Mayor, thanks, please. It was a decision

1758
02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:26,440
of this council to sell off some of the stuff for the Portland Hall so the chairs and tables

1759
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:33,360
are not there. Malcolm and Connie both have a list of what was kept and what was sold

1760
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,080
and it was agreed on upon by council.

1761
02:04:40,940 --> 02:04:42,840
Councillor Dunfield, you have a spoke on the other side.

1762
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:46,940
Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I use the word contingency because that's what Steve called it.

1763
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:47,240
Exactly.

1764
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:53,200
So if the wording is incorrect, let's just say be covered by the township.

1765
02:04:53,300 --> 02:04:53,760
For the budget.

1766
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:56,160
So take your contingency.

1767
02:04:56,780 --> 02:04:56,960
Okay.

1768
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:57,720
Good to be answered.

1769
02:04:58,980 --> 02:05:01,500
Is there anyone else that wishes to speak to this before I speak?

1770
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:03,680
Councilor Jeff Banks, a second one.

1771
02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:12,480
Well, from the manager of public properties, I understand that there's a contingency fund that we put in, not the contractor.

1772
02:05:13,220 --> 02:05:18,660
And I believe that's our amount to take care of things that may not be covered for the hall building from what I understand.

1773
02:05:19,140 --> 02:05:20,920
That's what that contingency fund is for.

1774
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:24,380
So it's for the extras that we're going to have to do to buy the hall.

1775
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:27,060
And if we're going to buy chairs, it should be added to the college.

1776
02:05:27,060 --> 02:05:36,280
I don't have a problem with buying the chairs, but contingency is intended for unexpected expenditures during the construction period.

1777
02:05:36,540 --> 02:05:37,000
And after.

1778
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:37,760
And after.

1779
02:05:37,980 --> 02:05:39,960
And that, not necessarily after.

1780
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:40,940
That's the future.

1781
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:44,740
And contingency is, that's what a contingency is, okay.

1782
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:52,720
And I will, I'll take Deputy Mayor Banks a second time, and then I want to speak to this as well.

1783
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:59,900
Well, we have councilor Dunfield. It was the word we got from staff. We don't really care what we call it.

1784
02:06:00,120 --> 02:06:07,300
It's out of the budget. If you want to call it contingency, we could use the HST refund as they talked about.

1785
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:11,200
As long as we're paid for, that's all that matters.

1786
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,260
Just for clarification on that.

1787
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:18,540
That contingency fund is our money. It's not the contractor's money.

1788
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:21,180
No, of course it's not the contractor's money.

1789
02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:27,640
It's only if it's been approved if the contractor has to submit a request and then staff have

1790
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:29,620
to say yes that's a legitimate request.

1791
02:06:29,820 --> 02:06:36,380
So from what I understood the budget for the hall ended up with $2.3 million with the contingency fund in it.

1792
02:06:36,580 --> 02:06:43,480
To me it's good that we have a contingency that we're not spending all the money that we initially thought we might have to, okay?

1793
02:06:43,880 --> 02:06:46,580
I got two questions or concerns or questions here.

1794
02:06:46,580 --> 02:06:54,280
I'm always concerned with other people going out and pricing stuff at Costco or anywhere else. That's the job for staff

1795
02:06:54,280 --> 02:07:01,640
Okay, and we want to make sure that when we when we're going to spend ten thousand dollars that we're getting value for money

1796
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:04,780
And I don't know anything about these chairs or versus other kinds of chairs

1797
02:07:04,780 --> 02:07:10,060
But I think that's the job for staff not for the CEC not for members of council, okay?

1798
02:07:10,060 --> 02:07:16,680
And I'm also concerned, of course, about buying local if we have that opportunity to buy local

1799
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:19,380
at a reasonable cost.

1800
02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:21,740
So I haven't seen any of that in here, okay?

1801
02:07:21,940 --> 02:07:24,760
So that's number one, let me finish.

1802
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:32,600
And number two is I understand that there is a considerable legacy fund from the community

1803
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:35,600
hall over $10,000.

1804
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:42,120
And I'm not sure why that money isn't being used because that's taxpayers money too to me you have to have chairs

1805
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:48,620
That's not the question. It's just a question. Do we pay from it from out of the contingency or do we budget for it?

1806
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:50,500
Or do we we ask the

1807
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:56,740
The I don't see see to share in this cost. Okay, so that

1808
02:07:56,740 --> 02:08:03,480
That that and that was intended that would go to those funds were raised by folks in the community

1809
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:05,960
to be used in the hall, okay?

1810
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:08,900
So I think there's a legitimate argument to be made

1811
02:08:08,900 --> 02:08:12,700
that we shouldn't be taxing the public twice for this, okay?

1812
02:08:13,340 --> 02:08:14,560
So that's, those are my comments.

1813
02:08:14,740 --> 02:08:16,560
I'll take you again, Councillor Dunfield,

1814
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:19,740
seeing as it's a second time for you.

1815
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:21,960
So I will answer some of these comments

1816
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:22,960
that you have brought forward.

1817
02:08:23,600 --> 02:08:26,300
Uline is another chair company

1818
02:08:26,300 --> 02:08:29,060
that Steve and I both looked at

1819
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:33,120
and Costco was still the one that had the better price.

1820
02:08:33,120 --> 02:08:39,600
USU line were $92 a chair. So we looked, we researched, this was the best price we could

1821
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:45,080
get for a suitable chair that is stackable and that someone of the Council of Pollard

1822
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:50,200
size would not land on the floor when he sat on it. So these are good.

1823
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:55,300
I'm not sure that's inappropriate. These are well made chairs. I know it's Costco,

1824
02:08:55,640 --> 02:09:01,560
I know it's not local, in fact it's US, but at the time, this was what came to

1825
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:07,220
as my point is that staff was involved with this as long as staff was

1826
02:09:07,220 --> 02:09:15,160
involved in it and staff is recommending this I the second thing the contingent or

1827
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:20,500
the legacy funds that the Hall Board have they have plans for that money they

1828
02:09:20,500 --> 02:09:25,400
want to build a brand new post ready-called bulletin board in the

1829
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:30,100
village that will replace what's there now and that will cost a fair

1830
02:09:30,100 --> 02:09:35,360
hunk of money. They want to buy new dishes. They want to buy some new things

1831
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:39,320
for the kitchen, some new servers, and things like that. They've got plans for

1832
02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:45,180
the display boards that need to have shelving put in, that need to have

1833
02:09:45,180 --> 02:09:51,840
coverage on them. So the legacy funds are there to enhance the hall. Chairs

1834
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:55,960
are there for us to sit on and we supply them to all our other halls.

1835
02:09:59,960 --> 02:09:59,960
In

1836
02:09:59,960 --> 02:10:08,860
on a online auction and the staff had to go and get them from Old Ford Henry and

1837
02:10:08,860 --> 02:10:13,160
they cursed me because those chairs were really heavy but they were all we got I

1838
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:19,340
think we got 350 chairs for 10 bucks so and that's why they were not they're

1839
02:10:19,340 --> 02:10:25,740
all gone now I see they're not in any of our halls anymore so I wonder so we

1840
02:10:25,740 --> 02:10:28,380
We supply the furniture for our community halls.

1841
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:31,920
This is what all we're asking is that the township pay for this.

1842
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:33,280
This is a township expense.

1843
02:10:33,620 --> 02:10:36,800
As I say, I'm not against buying chairs.

1844
02:10:37,260 --> 02:10:37,380
Okay.

1845
02:10:37,620 --> 02:10:40,860
I'm just suggesting that they have other plans for that legacy fund.

1846
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,360
And what is our capacity at this hall?

1847
02:10:43,700 --> 02:10:44,220
It's 150.

1848
02:10:44,620 --> 02:10:48,340
Okay, so the idea would be we're buying enough chairs and

1849
02:10:48,340 --> 02:10:49,840
we're not going to deal with it later on again.

1850
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:50,200
Correct.

1851
02:10:50,540 --> 02:10:55,620
Okay, any other discussion with respect to this chair situation?

1852
02:10:56,220 --> 02:10:57,680
Councilor Maxwell, second time.

1853
02:10:57,940 --> 02:10:58,100
Wow.

1854
02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:00,080
And then I'm going to do a call to question.

1855
02:11:00,220 --> 02:11:07,780
Okay, number one, I don't call coming to Council to give an okay to settle off the furniture

1856
02:11:07,780 --> 02:11:11,280
out of the Portland Hall back in the day, but maybe it did happen.

1857
02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:12,960
I would like to see it.

1858
02:11:14,300 --> 02:11:20,020
So the more we go around in circles here, I think if this is something that staff

1859
02:11:20,020 --> 02:11:24,580
has been involved in and it's something that staff feels should be coming forward,

1860
02:11:24,580 --> 02:11:30,800
It should be coming in an MSC report from staff and it should be included in the budget

1861
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:37,180
If it's going to be part of the budget, but we haven't finalized yet. I don't think we can

1862
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:41,780
Settle this tonight. We should be deferred

1863
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:44,680
Can I ask the CAO has

1864
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:49,460
Has that been adequately involved in this? I have a lot of comments

1865
02:11:49,460 --> 02:11:54,560
So, first off, the contingency fund, and the reason that Steve has not bought chairs

1866
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:58,820
is because a contingency fund is only for construction, things that you usually use

1867
02:11:58,820 --> 02:12:02,860
for change orders of what's been submitted through the tender process.

1868
02:12:03,300 --> 02:12:06,640
That's why Steve does not have the authority to use those funds for anything other than

1869
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:07,560
the actual construction.

1870
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:14,360
You may recall at budget time Steve also put in $100,000 to the budget to fit up

1871
02:12:14,360 --> 02:12:15,180
the Portland Hall.

1872
02:12:15,460 --> 02:12:15,600
Yes.

1873
02:12:15,780 --> 02:12:16,820
That's yet to pass.

1874
02:12:17,460 --> 02:12:20,200
But I think that the urgency here, if you want to call it that,

1875
02:12:20,340 --> 02:12:22,840
is that they're concerned that the price of these chairs may change,

1876
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:26,840
which is why they're trying to get ahead of budget passage to get the end of the

1877
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:31,460
course, we're going to be open in quite a few months to move it open next week.

1878
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:35,120
So I think that's the reason that they're wanting to move it forward,

1879
02:12:35,260 --> 02:12:37,160
as opposed to going through the process.

1880
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:38,100
It's pre-budget approval.

1881
02:12:38,300 --> 02:12:38,700
It is.

1882
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:39,480
Effectively.

1883
02:12:40,380 --> 02:12:40,580
Okay.

1884
02:12:41,060 --> 02:12:41,940
I'm going to call the speaker.

1885
02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:42,760
That's all.

1886
02:12:44,080 --> 02:12:45,960
Okay, Councilor Maxwell, you had a follow-up?

1887
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:51,560
Well that's kind of what I was saying if you know that's what we're doing then

1888
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:57,360
Steve should be coming forward at the next MSc for a pre-budget approval on

1889
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:02,660
this out of whatever he's got allotted for it instead of trying to wiggle around

1890
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:08,340
whatever it is we're doing here. Can I can I suggest to the mover and the

1891
02:13:08,340 --> 02:13:13,300
seconder that we change the last sentence and say for you that this

1892
02:13:13,300 --> 02:13:16,680
cost be covered via pre-budget approval.

1893
02:13:17,060 --> 02:13:17,460
Sure.

1894
02:13:17,660 --> 02:13:18,000
Thank you.

1895
02:13:18,460 --> 02:13:19,280
Can we do that?

1896
02:13:19,660 --> 02:13:19,900
Mm-hmm.

1897
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:25,600
Because that would take out the contingency fund controversy, if I can call it that, by

1898
02:13:26,180 --> 02:13:30,180
be covered by pre-budget approval.

1899
02:13:30,840 --> 02:13:32,180
And Ron, I apologize.

1900
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:34,940
Don't protect something from all of you.

1901
02:13:35,380 --> 02:13:35,900
Nothing.

1902
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:36,400
Okay?

1903
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,880
Because that's more approach than to me.

1904
02:13:40,020 --> 02:13:40,600
That's the approach.

1905
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:46,940
way based on what the CAO has said. Okay? So, we're comfortable, or at least we know

1906
02:13:46,940 --> 02:13:56,000
what the motion says. Okay. Can I have one conversation here, please, folks? I have my

1907
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:01,060
hearing aids in, but I'm getting like four different volumes here. Do we need me to

1908
02:14:01,060 --> 02:14:05,900
read the motion again? Okay. Then I'll call the question. All in favor?

1909
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:23,700
Okay, we are going on to 14.2, which is the grand opening, and I have a notice of motion

1910
02:14:23,700 --> 02:14:27,620
that's now a motion, I move by Councillor Dunfield and do I have a second?

1911
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:30,420
Councillor Hutchings.

1912
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:36,020
And before you, Mr. Mayor, before you continue reading it, let's move the last two, take

1913
02:14:36,020 --> 02:14:41,360
the last sentence off completely, because it's a duplicate, and take the wording contingency

1914
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:46,340
fund out of there and just say, I guess, 34.

1915
02:14:52,380 --> 02:14:55,260
And I apologize for the wording contingency

1916
02:14:55,260 --> 02:14:59,560
fund. I really thought that's what Steve had called that extra 100,000.

1917
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,020
Okay, let me read the motion then, as you have modified it. Whereas the Township Riedel

1918
02:15:04,020 --> 02:15:08,300
Lakes has proudly built a new community hall and library facility in the village of Portland

1919
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:13,600
and whereas residents and taxpayers are excited to see the completion of this project, now

1920
02:15:13,600 --> 02:15:17,300
therefore be it resolved that the corporation of the Township of Riedel Lakes plan an official

1921
02:15:17,300 --> 02:15:23,260
opening event on Saturday, May the 17th, 2025. And further that members of the Portland

1922
02:15:23,260 --> 02:15:28,180
CEC, Portland Hall Board staff and the Riedel Lakes Public Library Portland branch, Township

1923
02:15:28,180 --> 02:15:32,460
staff and the contractor and architect all work together towards filing this event and

1924
02:15:32,460 --> 02:15:34,820
further through the contingency form

1925
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:42,550
and further that the cost related to this event be a pre-approved

1926
02:15:43,450 --> 02:15:44,170
budget item.

1927
02:15:46,890 --> 02:15:51,190
I was going to say, this is one of my concerns with this motion.

1928
02:15:51,410 --> 02:15:52,290
This is a blank check.

1929
02:15:52,690 --> 02:15:53,690
Yes, I know.

1930
02:15:54,110 --> 02:15:54,950
You like that, do you?

1931
02:15:55,450 --> 02:15:55,650
Yeah.

1932
02:15:55,650 --> 02:16:04,570
And I have to say, I've heard that there are suggestions that we have a band at $2,000

1933
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:11,410
and things of that nature, and I'm saying, come on, we did a fire hall opening for some

1934
02:16:11,410 --> 02:16:18,870
nice cake and some free food, and that was quite adequate, and I don't think that we

1935
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:22,430
should be anywhere close to a significant number.

1936
02:16:22,990 --> 02:16:26,970
and if we're going to pre I don't have a problem pre planning this and having

1937
02:16:26,970 --> 02:16:30,950
people involved and the people that are suggesting that I think this could easily

1938
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:32,710
be done for $500 of us.

1939
02:16:34,770 --> 02:16:38,890
No the last when you had that opening it was on a weekday it was on the Friday

1940
02:16:39,490 --> 02:16:43,730
and it was on Halloween and no wonder anybody didn't go because it was like

1941
02:16:43,730 --> 02:16:49,290
oh yeah but there was people that would have gone but there wasn't but

1942
02:16:49,290 --> 02:16:53,510
this here is going to be in the village and it's on a Saturday and it's in May.

1943
02:16:53,630 --> 02:16:59,290
Well here's another problem. Why are we asking staff and everybody to come on an

1944
02:16:59,290 --> 02:17:06,710
event on a Saturday? That's their day off. I'm just asking that they help organize

1945
02:17:06,710 --> 02:17:08,010
it. They don't have to be there.

1946
02:17:10,370 --> 02:17:12,310
It's a Saturday of the long weekend to entice

1947
02:17:12,310 --> 02:17:15,710
the people that come up to their cottages. So there's a lot of Portland

1948
02:17:15,710 --> 02:17:22,150
that come over, come into the Portland area and go to their colleges, and we're really

1949
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:22,830
hoping that they'll come.

1950
02:17:22,830 --> 02:17:26,170
There's a lot of those folks that are busy, you know, hoping for the water and the house.

1951
02:17:26,170 --> 02:17:30,450
I think they'll come for a couple of hours to listen to our mayor, welcome everyone to

1952
02:17:30,450 --> 02:17:30,790
the band.

1953
02:17:31,250 --> 02:17:34,870
Or listen to the band that, you know, play for the company.

1954
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:35,910
The mayor can do it.

1955
02:17:36,250 --> 02:17:36,470
Okay.

1956
02:17:36,830 --> 02:17:37,990
Now, I think you need a budget.

1957
02:17:38,250 --> 02:17:41,730
So if you get it, I won't support this unless there's a limit to what's open.

1958
02:17:41,730 --> 02:17:45,950
Well, let's say $1,000 at max, and we'll try and do it for a goal.

1959
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:58,020
Okay, any other, and further that cost-related to this event be a pre-

1960
02:17:58,020 --> 02:17:59,640
Pre-improved budget item of $1,000.

1961
02:18:00,060 --> 02:18:02,060
Of a maximum of?

1962
02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:02,520
Yeah.

1963
02:18:05,660 --> 02:18:08,580
So that is, you're treating that as a friendly amendment?

1964
02:18:08,940 --> 02:18:09,540
Yes, thank you.

1965
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:13,840
Okay, and Councillor Hutchins, you're prepared to support that at that level?

1966
02:18:14,180 --> 02:18:14,540
Mm-hmm.

1967
02:18:14,540 --> 02:18:19,140
Okay so debate and discussion on the motion please. I

1968
02:18:21,670 --> 02:18:22,330
still think we're being

1969
02:18:22,330 --> 02:18:27,210
excessive but I got a feeling that this is not why so I'll call the question.

1970
02:18:27,390 --> 02:18:31,990
I have a very recorded vote on this one because I'm really not comfortable with this at all.

1971
02:18:32,290 --> 02:18:35,590
Okay. $500,000 service.

1972
02:18:37,370 --> 02:18:39,010
Councillor Jeff Banks. Yes.

1973
02:18:39,710 --> 02:18:40,450
Councillor Harris. Yes.

1974
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:42,650
Councillor Delaney. No.

1975
02:18:43,510 --> 02:18:50,010
Councilor Dunfield. Yes. Councilor Hutchings. Yes. Councilor Maxwell. No. Councilor Pollard. No.

1976
02:18:50,010 --> 02:18:52,370
Deputy Mayor Tolivantz?

1977
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:52,550
Yep.

1978
02:18:53,810 --> 02:18:54,490
Mayor Hogan-Boone?

1979
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:55,670
No.

1980
02:18:56,350 --> 02:18:56,990
So it's carried.

1981
02:19:01,740 --> 02:19:02,780
All right.

1982
02:19:04,740 --> 02:19:07,260
Only $200 million.

1983
02:19:07,780 --> 02:19:09,060
$200 million.

1984
02:19:10,540 --> 02:19:11,480
We'll move on now.

1985
02:19:13,780 --> 02:19:15,920
Okay, 14.3.

1986
02:19:17,080 --> 02:19:18,100
There's that motion.

1987
02:19:18,980 --> 02:19:20,020
Right here.

1988
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,200
So this is a motion,

1989
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:26,580
regarding midterm council reporting update and I haven't moved by Deputy Mayor

1990
02:19:26,580 --> 02:19:32,240
Paula Banks do I have a seconder where

1991
02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:36,280
as the Townsville Lakes currently has

1992
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:40,960
multiple projects that are being completed throughout the municipality and

1993
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:44,240
whereas it would be beneficial to the public to create and distribute

1994
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:48,560
throughout the municipality a midterm update report that would identify such

1995
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:51,900
current projects initiatives such as the Delta flooding the Gallagher

1996
02:19:51,900 --> 02:19:57,520
property, Portland Hall Library, New Pryor Hall, Complete, Old Delta, Maple Syrup

1997
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:01,360
Building, Municipal Office and Chantry, Recreation Agreements, Asset Management

1998
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:05,560
Plan, etc. And further, the update be crafted by the Mayor for approval by

1999
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:09,360
Council Pryor's release and further that the update be distributed with the

2000
02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:12,260
final tax bill in July in lieu of the Mayor's update.

2001
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:17,440
For the motion discussion. Deputy Mayor, thanks.

2002
02:20:18,120 --> 02:20:23,620
I just think it's a good idea because we have so many capital projects and so many big things

2003
02:20:23,620 --> 02:20:32,200
going on like they will make maple syrup building and the burn, that would be nice to give taxpayers

2004
02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:40,680
an update and also include maybe if we're above budget on schedule for all these projects.

2005
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:47,460
Well, since this references me and a couple of paragraphs, I'm going to speak to it.

2006
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:48,780
I'm not in favor of this.

2007
02:20:49,380 --> 02:20:50,840
This is the mayor's message.

2008
02:20:51,320 --> 02:20:56,880
The mayor is a spokesperson for the municipality, not council, not some members of council.

2009
02:20:58,020 --> 02:21:03,060
And I've done these things for a number of years and I've always made them positive.

2010
02:21:03,420 --> 02:21:08,860
I've always made them complete to talk about all the current issues and things of that

2011
02:21:08,860 --> 02:21:09,200
nature.

2012
02:21:10,060 --> 02:21:17,020
I do not want nine other people writing this mayor's message.

2013
02:21:17,180 --> 02:21:18,660
It will not be a mayor's message.

2014
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:22,980
It will be a message from some members of council if that's going to be the case.

2015
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:24,540
I can change the wording.

2016
02:21:25,420 --> 02:21:29,320
I'll change the wording from crafted by the mayor to crafted by staff.

2017
02:21:29,880 --> 02:21:31,260
We can direct staff to craft.

2018
02:21:31,320 --> 02:21:34,720
Well, I can tell you that staff craft the ones that we put out now.

2019
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:37,740
Every time I've done one of these, I've gone to the clerk.

2020
02:21:37,740 --> 02:21:41,040
I've gone to the CAO. I said please review this. What am I next?

2021
02:21:41,260 --> 02:21:46,680
This is a motion that I would like to put forward so that the taxpayers get an update

2022
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:50,440
They will get an update because normally there is a message from the mayor

2023
02:21:50,440 --> 02:21:53,600
But there's sometimes that we would like to say send a message

2024
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:56,180
Well, and that's why I would like to

2025
02:21:56,180 --> 02:22:03,860
Okay, but your message for example you have your message in the Portland lantern and the Delta pilot and they are not sanctioned by council

2026
02:22:03,860 --> 02:22:07,660
members. They're not sanctioned by the mayor. I don't see those till they're out.

2027
02:22:08,140 --> 02:22:13,420
So, I mean, people have their own avenues for putting their message out that does

2028
02:22:13,420 --> 02:22:19,780
not infringe upon the responsibilities of the mayor. This, in my view, is an attempt

2029
02:22:19,780 --> 02:22:23,840
to minimize the role of the mayor and I will simply not support it.

2030
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:28,740
Well, I think the problem is there that I no longer trust you.

2031
02:22:30,620 --> 02:22:34,240
Well, you make comments, you make promises, and then you break them.

2032
02:22:34,700 --> 02:22:41,920
So I would like to remove and further that the update be crafted by the mayor and just

2033
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:46,520
have that it be crafted by staff for approval by all council.

2034
02:22:47,900 --> 02:22:48,420
Okay.

2035
02:22:48,940 --> 02:22:50,220
We can make that amendment?

2036
02:22:50,740 --> 02:22:51,680
I was still not supported.

2037
02:22:51,940 --> 02:22:52,360
That's okay.

2038
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:55,040
So let the update be crafted by staff.

2039
02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:57,500
As directed by council.

2040
02:22:57,860 --> 02:22:58,240
Thank you.

2041
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:12,360
It could be one of those five, four votes again, which is not helpful to the organization.

2042
02:23:12,920 --> 02:23:13,400
All right.

2043
02:23:13,620 --> 02:23:15,460
Nothing that happened tonight was helpful.

2044
02:23:15,800 --> 02:23:17,320
It all came from this table.

2045
02:23:17,820 --> 02:23:18,680
Let's be clear about that.

2046
02:23:18,860 --> 02:23:19,280
That's true.

2047
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:20,160
It came from this table.

2048
02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:20,660
Yes.

2049
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:24,820
So other comments with respect to the motion?

2050
02:23:24,820 --> 02:23:26,380
I have Councilor Maxwell next.

2051
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:27,600
Thank you, Your Worship.

2052
02:23:28,460 --> 02:23:33,000
A lot of this information, we do get it out monthly.

2053
02:23:34,340 --> 02:23:36,140
We all have an opportunity.

2054
02:23:36,620 --> 02:23:40,080
Every month staff sends out the invitation to us.

2055
02:23:40,200 --> 02:23:42,520
Is there anything that you want added into it

2056
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,380
or any comments that you want to include?

2057
02:23:45,060 --> 02:23:48,480
It comes out every month to all of Council.

2058
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:59,640
So the mayor's update on the two tracks bills a year, that's his domain and we should be staying out of it.

2059
02:23:59,900 --> 02:24:00,840
We're allowed to.

2060
02:24:00,840 --> 02:24:02,300
And another recorded vote.

2061
02:24:05,300 --> 02:24:06,940
Who else wishes to speak?

2062
02:24:07,060 --> 02:24:08,100
Councillor Hutchison, go ahead.

2063
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:11,600
Yeah, I didn't get it this.

2064
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:13,380
So send anything to me.

2065
02:24:13,380 --> 02:24:14,920
from now on to LandTracks.

2066
02:24:15,080 --> 02:24:16,020
I didn't look.com.

2067
02:24:16,220 --> 02:24:18,340
I get it then, okay?

2068
02:24:18,840 --> 02:24:22,840
Because all I was, all I seconded this for was

2069
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:26,280
it was just updates, innocent updates

2070
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:28,880
of what we've been doing and so that the public will know

2071
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,080
I didn't know it's gonna cause as much commotion,

2072
02:24:31,260 --> 02:24:36,200
but it's just for the people to know where we're at.

2073
02:24:39,060 --> 02:24:42,120
And that's done in different ways

2074
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:43,900
at different times, absolutely.

2075
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:46,000
Anyone else wish to speak to this?

2076
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:48,480
Councillor Pollard, I'll take you.

2077
02:24:48,720 --> 02:24:51,340
I saw your hand raised and I will only take it twice.

2078
02:24:52,260 --> 02:24:55,420
I think what's been happening has done a good job

2079
02:24:55,420 --> 02:24:59,720
with a lot of good compliments, simply because we are printed

2080
02:24:59,720 --> 02:25:03,600
up in various ways, and that's from on the computer

2081
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:05,020
to in the newspapers.

2082
02:25:05,420 --> 02:25:08,280
If it's an important subject, it's not about going out

2083
02:25:08,280 --> 02:25:11,200
to the enemy each day or like that.

2084
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:14,000
It's both the functions that's taken place.

2085
02:25:14,620 --> 02:25:17,640
I don't think we need to ask our staff to get any more involved,

2086
02:25:18,300 --> 02:25:21,420
because we'll come back here to the table, and it won't be agreeable.

2087
02:25:23,020 --> 02:25:25,020
And we don't need to come back here.

2088
02:25:25,400 --> 02:25:26,960
But I never might have seen it.

2089
02:25:26,980 --> 02:25:28,560
Meredith's been doing a decent job on that.

2090
02:25:28,920 --> 02:25:30,080
Yeah, but I haven't seen it.

2091
02:25:30,700 --> 02:25:33,420
So saying it to Lamb traps that it looked up on.

2092
02:25:36,020 --> 02:25:36,420
Okay.

2093
02:25:37,780 --> 02:25:40,300
Deputy Mayor Banks, I'll take you a second time,

2094
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:41,960
and I'll call the question.

2095
02:25:41,960 --> 02:25:45,700
Again, I don't see what the big issue is about this.

2096
02:25:45,940 --> 02:25:51,840
You put out your twice a year newsletter, all I'm saying is that Council should have an

2097
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:57,100
opportunity to let the taxpayers know what we have done the first half of this term.

2098
02:25:57,900 --> 02:26:04,000
We have built a Portland Hall, we've built a fire hall, we're sending the office

2099
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:07,480
to tender, all that stuff could be reported to the public.

2100
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:12,920
Okay. And my point is it does get reported regularly to the public.

2101
02:26:13,740 --> 02:26:17,060
All right. Was there a request for a recorded vote on this?

2102
02:26:17,300 --> 02:26:18,300
Do you want to hear that? Okay.

2103
02:26:18,740 --> 02:26:23,200
Do I need to read the motion again? Okay.

2104
02:26:23,660 --> 02:26:24,900
So you know what the motion says.

2105
02:26:26,580 --> 02:26:27,920
Brad, if I could please call the vote.

2106
02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:28,980
Councillor Jeff, thanks.

2107
02:26:29,740 --> 02:26:33,900
Is there any chance we get a count on how many recorded votes we had in the last year?

2108
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:36,000
Yes.

2109
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:36,140
Yes.

2110
02:26:36,180 --> 02:26:36,460
Lots.

2111
02:26:36,860 --> 02:26:37,620
Councillor Carr.

2112
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:39,000
Yes.

2113
02:26:39,540 --> 02:26:40,300
Councillor Delaney.

2114
02:26:40,660 --> 02:26:40,860
No.

2115
02:26:41,320 --> 02:26:42,140
Councillor Dunfield.

2116
02:26:42,940 --> 02:26:43,640
Yes.

2117
02:26:44,460 --> 02:26:45,540
Councillor Hutchings.

2118
02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:46,100
Yes.

2119
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:47,280
Councillor Maxwell.

2120
02:26:47,740 --> 02:26:47,960
No.

2121
02:26:48,460 --> 02:26:49,480
Councillor Pollard.

2122
02:26:49,740 --> 02:26:50,040
No.

2123
02:26:50,840 --> 02:26:52,060
Deputy Mayor Paul Banks.

2124
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:52,560
Yep.

2125
02:26:53,220 --> 02:26:53,800
Mayor Huthamon.

2126
02:26:54,120 --> 02:26:54,620
No.

2127
02:26:55,480 --> 02:26:56,560
Motion is carried.

2128
02:27:06,840 --> 02:27:07,180
All right.

2129
02:27:07,340 --> 02:27:08,200
Where are we on to now?

2130
02:27:09,380 --> 02:27:10,080
15.

2131
02:27:11,580 --> 02:27:11,880
No.

2132
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:12,740
This is a motion.

2133
02:27:18,410 --> 02:27:20,530
Karnavosa's motion. Mayor's update.

2134
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:25,210
I want to put a motion on the floor, if I can.

2135
02:27:25,530 --> 02:27:27,550
Is it a notice of motion? No, it's a motion.

2136
02:27:29,290 --> 02:27:33,690
Well, we're not entertaining the motions that haven't been pre-quoted on the agenda.

2137
02:27:34,270 --> 02:27:37,150
It's either a notice of motion or it's not going to happen.

2138
02:27:37,350 --> 02:27:41,470
So then I'll ask that we all override the procedure by law that we put a motion on the floor.

2139
02:27:42,610 --> 02:27:45,470
I've asked for a motion on the floor so I don't know why I can't put a motion on the floor.

2140
02:27:47,150 --> 02:27:48,050
What is your motion?

2141
02:27:48,810 --> 02:27:50,570
It's a non-confidence vote for you.

2142
02:27:52,970 --> 02:27:57,290
And if you want me to speak to it, I'll speak to it right now, where you can wait till the vote goes,

2143
02:28:00,260 --> 02:28:01,960
which is the way you want me to do this.

2144
02:28:02,400 --> 02:28:02,600
Well,

2145
02:28:04,700 --> 02:28:08,820
a vote of non-confidence at the municipal level is completely irrelevant.

2146
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:10,820
I understand that.

2147
02:28:11,320 --> 02:28:12,780
Can I have the wording for the motion?

2148
02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:14,700
Can I have the wording for the motion?

2149
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:18,420
That I have a vote of non-confidence for the mayor.

2150
02:28:18,420 --> 02:28:19,440
That's it.

2151
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:23,040
Do you have a seconder?

2152
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:25,540
Sure.

2153
02:28:29,970 --> 02:28:30,490
Discussion?

2154
02:28:35,990 --> 02:28:36,750
No, sir.

2155
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:37,310
Jeff, thanks.

2156
02:28:38,390 --> 02:28:42,350
I want to say my confidence in you is not existing at this time.

2157
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:48,310
You allowed three delegations to be rateless, ridiculous, slanderous, libelous, degradist,

2158
02:28:48,510 --> 02:28:53,510
defamous, smearous, and humiliate us with false accusations in reference to confidential

2159
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:57,090
emails that you knew about that came from the grassroots.

2160
02:28:58,710 --> 02:29:06,130
These I see reports against counselors who oppose the hub or the office are costing us over $60,000 and this chair

2161
02:29:06,130 --> 02:29:12,550
you should have stopped them. Your degrading comments to fellow counselors cannot be ignored and I have known you for 35 years

2162
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:17,590
and I see a person who can't let go of the CAO title and it has affected your position as mayor.

2163
02:29:18,330 --> 02:29:23,750
But most of all these outside special interest groups that constantly attack counselors and your refusal to stop them

2164
02:29:23,750 --> 02:29:28,090
has brought me to this decision so I will be supporting the motion and I have a

2165
02:29:28,090 --> 02:29:33,150
seconder so that's all I have to say. Anyone else wish to speak to this?

2166
02:29:34,890 --> 02:29:39,490
Councillor Dunfield. Thanks Mr. Mayor because the integrity commissioner

2167
02:29:39,490 --> 02:29:44,530
identified in her reports that it should not be her position to exercise

2168
02:29:44,530 --> 02:29:49,250
discretion in addressing possible issues of order into quorum rather it

2169
02:29:49,250 --> 02:29:52,950
should be the chair she felt many times throughout these reports she

2170
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:59,910
identified that that was not done. The procedural bylaw, the mayor's responsibility is to

2171
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:14,300
And we are concerned that that action did not take place when some of these degrading delegations were put forward and brought forward to council and to the public in general.

2172
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:25,480
So it is our hope that the leadership that is required by your position could be managed better.

2173
02:30:25,480 --> 02:30:28,840
And that's where we sit at this point in time.

2174
02:30:30,300 --> 02:30:30,860
Okay.

2175
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:33,560
Councillor Pashmore.

2176
02:30:34,020 --> 02:30:34,840
Thank you, Richard.

2177
02:30:35,900 --> 02:30:38,260
Again, I'm going to be looking for a recording post.

2178
02:30:38,460 --> 02:30:39,560
Oh, who's going to ask for it?

2179
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:47,900
And that's totally inappropriate what you're proposing right now.

2180
02:30:49,160 --> 02:30:54,620
Every time the Mayor tries to take control of the meeting

2181
02:30:54,620 --> 02:31:03,200
and do what he needs to do, the bylaws get changed. So, you know, it's a no-win situation.

2182
02:31:04,520 --> 02:31:09,740
It goes back to this whole meeting, the behavior all the way through just as it's been at every

2183
02:31:09,740 --> 02:31:12,460
other meeting is disgusting.

2184
02:31:12,460 --> 02:31:15,360
asking. That's for words.

2185
02:31:17,860 --> 02:31:23,920
Deputy Mayor Maxwell, or sorry, Deputy Mayor Banks, you're next after

2186
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:29,320
Councillor Maxwell. Well I'm just confused because Councillor Maxwell talks about our

2187
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:34,100
treatment of fellow councillors and the mayor yet we were found completely innocent of any

2188
02:31:34,100 --> 02:31:38,920
wrongdoing of our treatment of councillors and mayors so I'm not sure where he's

2189
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:42,520
We were found innocent, we were found innocent.

2190
02:31:42,600 --> 02:31:46,320
That discussion and debate has taken place.

2191
02:31:46,660 --> 02:31:49,080
I'm just correcting something, we were found innocent.

2192
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:54,860
I think you have never let go of this office

2193
02:31:54,860 --> 02:31:59,360
and your concerns about this. You have not been truthful with us.

2194
02:31:59,940 --> 02:32:02,860
You have changed your policy

2195
02:32:02,860 --> 02:32:06,700
whenever it suits you to target the five of us.

2196
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:11,680
You say you treat us the same, it's clear that you don't treat us the same.

2197
02:32:14,300 --> 02:32:21,560
These investigations also are very concerning, and I'm not going to speak to them all because

2198
02:32:21,560 --> 02:32:26,800
it's a waste of time, but I just see no leadership at this table, I really don't.

2199
02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:34,860
And I go back to the last term, as soon as Claire Smith sent a letter to the editor

2200
02:32:34,860 --> 02:32:39,900
saying that she disagreed with the majority of council, you reprimanded her

2201
02:32:39,900 --> 02:32:46,800
and you told her it was inappropriate for her to send a letter to the mayor that

2202
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:51,780
did not support the majority of council once the vote was taken. You guys had

2203
02:32:51,780 --> 02:32:58,280
Caroline investigated because she did not support the majority of council. You

2204
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:03,820
no longer support the majority of council so I don't know why you

2205
02:33:03,820 --> 02:33:06,360
you don't understand why we don't support and trust you.

2206
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:10,480
You told me at the last time we discussed this

2207
02:33:10,480 --> 02:33:15,580
that you would debate me in an open forum about my concerns.

2208
02:33:16,200 --> 02:33:18,820
So I'm not gonna waste any more time at this meeting,

2209
02:33:19,100 --> 02:33:21,340
but I will take you up on that offer anytime

2210
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:25,940
because I feel we don't trust you anymore.

2211
02:33:28,920 --> 02:33:30,260
Okay, Councilor Hutchings.

2212
02:33:30,760 --> 02:33:31,540
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2213
02:33:31,540 --> 02:33:44,540
So, I've been not believed when I said that somebody stood on somebody, and I've also

2214
02:33:45,050 --> 02:33:51,160
been cut off and my words finished, and I

2215
02:33:53,560 --> 02:33:57,460
really thought that, you know, when I was

2216
02:33:57,460 --> 02:34:04,480
looking for you. Like it was the second time that that person was here and there

2217
02:34:04,480 --> 02:34:09,940
was no new information route forward. It was just a rehash of what and then what

2218
02:34:09,940 --> 02:34:15,220
really on me is when they're gonna threaten to put private enclosed stuff

2219
02:34:15,220 --> 02:34:23,960
on like I am not I'm not used to and everybody goes well you're a politician

2220
02:34:23,960 --> 02:34:31,920
now Debbie, but I'm very, I wouldn't say anything to anybody I would say to the

2221
02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:38,940
face and my words get twisted around and everything and you know you got

2222
02:34:38,940 --> 02:34:44,920
something with me you come and talk to me like a lot of us I see stuff if the

2223
02:34:44,920 --> 02:34:51,760
person had enough excuse me whatever to come forward and say it instead of

2224
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:56,760
sneak around and not put your name on anything to me like you're fighting the

2225
02:34:56,760 --> 02:35:06,960
wind and I was just wish that you would have just said look like to stop you're

2226
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:10,900
in control to stop all this nonsense you really are

2227
02:35:13,100 --> 02:35:19,600
but you could you could have

2228
02:35:19,600 --> 02:35:24,060
said to me when I and I take full responsibility to turn my back to her

2229
02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:32,060
And I said I was sorry and I asked her if she took my story and she never did.

2230
02:35:32,520 --> 02:35:35,680
So she didn't accept my apology, but that's up to her.

2231
02:35:36,500 --> 02:35:44,280
But I turned to look for you to say whatever, to stop it.

2232
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:48,460
And you could have said it to me, because at Point of Order Hutchings,

2233
02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:49,600
turn your chair back around.

2234
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:52,080
That's in your ballpark.

2235
02:35:53,220 --> 02:35:58,020
You should tell it, like, I didn't know whether I should have left the room or what I should have done.

2236
02:35:59,620 --> 02:36:03,060
But if I hadn't been the other way, it would have been a little different.

2237
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:09,920
So, what you see is what you get with me, and I have nothing to hide.

2238
02:36:11,260 --> 02:36:16,400
Like, I don't see really a lot of these closed meetings,

2239
02:36:16,400 --> 02:36:23,450
why he couldn't just leave, especially you talking with me, I'll just tell everybody because I have nothing to hide.

2240
02:36:23,810 --> 02:36:24,090
Did

2241
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:28,620
more to say you?

2242
02:36:29,700 --> 02:36:38,840
Well, I just, that's my part of, like, I would like you to sort of, especially, like, not to believe what I said,

2243
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:44,240
and I had said to you at that time that it was getting out of hand and nobody listened to me.

2244
02:36:44,340 --> 02:36:45,900
Like, nobody listens to what I say,

2245
02:36:48,300 --> 02:36:49,140
so that's it.

2246
02:36:56,140 --> 02:37:02,380
I would just like to say the other thing that really bothers me is every time we say something

2247
02:37:02,380 --> 02:37:08,820
that's a lie, Jeff was spit on, councilor Maxwell said it didn't happen, you said it

2248
02:37:08,820 --> 02:37:14,600
no assault happened in this place, if that was a woman I could scream victim shaming,

2249
02:37:14,920 --> 02:37:20,120
but because you're politicians there's nothing we can do about it, I'm a very opinionated

2250
02:37:20,120 --> 02:37:26,780
a person and so are you. Part of the problem is, you say very, very divisive things to

2251
02:37:26,780 --> 02:37:33,580
us during council meetings, before council meetings. So we come in here with a clause

2252
02:37:33,580 --> 02:37:39,300
already drawn. Exactly the way you made the comment about getting rid of Debbie by

2253
02:37:39,300 --> 02:37:44,020
buying the bottle of old spice. I have asked you three times to apologize to Debbie

2254
02:37:44,020 --> 02:37:44,400
for that.

2255
02:37:44,580 --> 02:37:45,640
That's not your issue.

2256
02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:51,140
It doesn't matter. It was in the room. That's right. It's not a joke, but it's not a joke.

2257
02:37:51,320 --> 02:37:57,640
That was not funny. Someone could have died, and you literally looked at the third tonight and said,

2258
02:37:58,040 --> 02:38:02,280
oh, I should buy an old bottle of old spice. That's exactly what you said.

2259
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:06,440
Do not put words in my mouth, because you are incorrect, and I will not allow you

2260
02:38:06,440 --> 02:38:14,440
to make public statements that are incorrect. So make your comment, and then I'm going to move on.

2261
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:23,020
My point is, we know you're the chair, but you only want to be the chair when you want

2262
02:38:23,020 --> 02:38:24,160
to reprimand us.

2263
02:38:24,300 --> 02:38:26,980
You don't want to be the chair for any other role.

2264
02:38:31,200 --> 02:38:36,020
You say divisive comments before council meeting starts.

2265
02:38:36,680 --> 02:38:39,100
You mumble under your breath when people are talking.

2266
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:42,380
You have been dishonest with us.

2267
02:38:42,900 --> 02:38:45,640
Our fellow council members have been dishonest with us.

2268
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:50,580
and what are we guilty of? We turned our back.

2269
02:38:52,660 --> 02:38:54,580
Oh, sorry, Jeff, that's not guilty of that.

2270
02:38:55,360 --> 02:39:00,260
I think it boils down to there's poor leadership in the chair

2271
02:39:00,260 --> 02:39:05,420
and you're adding to the problems because you will not support the majority of council

2272
02:39:05,420 --> 02:39:11,440
and because you're angry about it, you say very divisive things that get us all in an uproar.

2273
02:39:12,460 --> 02:39:19,940
That's it. I find that my life isn't worth deadly squat because if you made that comment,

2274
02:39:20,360 --> 02:39:24,320
you could have made it when I was in the room as a joke, but when I'm not in the room it's

2275
02:39:24,320 --> 02:39:33,800
no joke. That's right. And Vanny helped me out to my van. I was that bad. I could die.

2276
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:36,640
And I supported... And you care whether I die or not?

2277
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:38,040
I supported making this.

2278
02:39:38,420 --> 02:39:39,940
Well, you can say you're sorry.

2279
02:39:40,440 --> 02:39:42,040
Well, you can't even say that.

2280
02:39:42,380 --> 02:39:44,920
No, because I didn't say it to you in the first place.

2281
02:39:45,080 --> 02:39:48,280
But I will say that I'm sorry if you were offended by that,

2282
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:51,980
that the councilor banks shared that information with you.

2283
02:39:52,380 --> 02:39:53,440
I wouldn't share it.

2284
02:39:53,660 --> 02:39:55,080
Well, it was not just a word.

2285
02:39:56,120 --> 02:39:58,700
To me, I'm going to cut this off.

2286
02:39:59,000 --> 02:39:59,940
OK, you cut it off.

2287
02:40:00,140 --> 02:40:03,220
This is simply, I'm going to tell you,

2288
02:40:03,780 --> 02:40:05,340
my mandate is from the public.

2289
02:40:05,340 --> 02:40:13,100
I have tremendous public support, and some of you folks need to understand that I've been elected as the Mayor,

2290
02:40:13,460 --> 02:40:22,340
and I will chair these meetings, and we will continue on, and you can pass as many motions as you want of non-confidence,

2291
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:28,420
because I'm anticipating that this is going to be another one of these five, four votes, and that's great,

2292
02:40:28,420 --> 02:40:36,160
but don't expect me to count how to people's individual idiosyncrasies here

2293
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:43,300
and there and their their statements that are simply not true and I will not

2294
02:40:43,300 --> 02:40:58,400
spend my time defending those statements so I'll call the question I'm not going

2295
02:40:58,400 --> 02:40:59,060
Yes.

2296
02:40:59,240 --> 02:41:00,140
Councillor Blaney.

2297
02:41:00,440 --> 02:41:00,660
No.

2298
02:41:00,940 --> 02:41:01,800
Councillor Dunfield.

2299
02:41:02,020 --> 02:41:02,220
Yes.

2300
02:41:02,520 --> 02:41:03,300
Councillor Hutchings.

2301
02:41:03,440 --> 02:41:03,840
Oh, yes.

2302
02:41:04,420 --> 02:41:05,200
Councillor Maxwell.

2303
02:41:05,560 --> 02:41:05,800
No.

2304
02:41:06,080 --> 02:41:06,860
Councillor Pollard.

2305
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:07,300
No.

2306
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:10,200
Deputy Mayor Paula Banks.

2307
02:41:10,520 --> 02:41:10,780
Yes.

2308
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:11,780
Mayor Hoodman.

2309
02:41:12,340 --> 02:41:12,680
No.

2310
02:41:13,240 --> 02:41:14,340
Go ahead and do my rights.

2311
02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:15,280
Fair enough.

2312
02:41:16,200 --> 02:41:17,240
Just so you know.

2313
02:41:18,040 --> 02:41:19,520
This is the mayor's update.

2314
02:41:20,660 --> 02:41:25,480
On February the 25th, I attended in two meetings in Brockville.

2315
02:41:25,480 --> 02:41:33,660
The first was with the St. Lawrence Board of Management, where we passed their 2025 budget.

2316
02:41:34,180 --> 02:41:38,620
The second was the CAO Recruitment Committee meeting, where we shortlisted candidates for

2317
02:41:38,620 --> 02:41:39,700
future interviews.

2318
02:41:40,880 --> 02:41:41,120
For the county.

2319
02:41:41,660 --> 02:41:42,320
For the county.

2320
02:41:42,700 --> 02:41:43,020
Absolutely.

2321
02:41:43,480 --> 02:41:44,080
Yes, absolutely.

2322
02:41:47,800 --> 02:41:52,580
On February 26th, I attended the Regular Planning Advisory Committee and the Committee

2323
02:41:52,580 --> 02:41:58,040
of Adjustment meetings, and this morning I attended the Regular Economic Development

2324
02:41:58,040 --> 02:42:03,380
committee meeting where councilor Maxwell will be elected as the chair. That is my report.

2325
02:42:04,620 --> 02:42:10,200
Now I will move on to questions from the media regarding agenda items. Are there any questions

2326
02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:13,360
that have come in from the media? No questions received from the media?

2327
02:42:14,320 --> 02:42:18,160
We have two members of the public. Are there any questions from the public regarding agenda items?

2328
02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:22,320
Yes, I have one. I guess it could go to

2329
02:42:22,320 --> 02:42:26,580
to Chancellor Jeff Banks as a member of the planning.

2330
02:42:29,100 --> 02:42:31,560
Mr. Butcher, questions come to the mayor.

2331
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:35,380
Okay, my question is then, has the planning department

2332
02:42:36,400 --> 02:42:38,480
contacted the Ministry of the Environment

2333
02:42:38,480 --> 02:42:40,940
to get the information for those test wells,

2334
02:42:41,660 --> 02:42:47,840
which was stated back on January the 8th.

2335
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:51,480
We've been waiting that long to hear that information.

2336
02:42:52,340 --> 02:42:58,460
I do not know if the specific information that counselors were looking for has come to our staff,

2337
02:42:58,700 --> 02:43:06,040
but I will inquire of the staff and if they have not yet pursued that, my understanding is that they will be pursuing that.

2338
02:43:06,300 --> 02:43:07,760
Can I ask you a second question?

2339
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:19,480
I'm wondering if the planning department is aware of a letter that was sent by Malcolm Norwood, April 26, 2022.

2340
02:43:19,480 --> 02:43:25,620
If I could just read two sentences from it that pertains to this, so that you're aware

2341
02:43:25,620 --> 02:43:31,560
of, because it does go back a long ways, maybe it didn't get brought forward.

2342
02:43:31,940 --> 02:43:39,660
Two sentences, in 2010, there was a planning application, Consent and Brackets, within

2343
02:43:39,660 --> 02:43:45,320
500 meters, and we do have Ministry of Environment comments from that application that at that

2344
02:43:45,320 --> 02:43:52,480
time that the Ministry was in support of reducing the influence area to 150 meters east and west.

2345
02:43:55,160 --> 02:44:03,000
Was that in relation to the... The title of this, from Malcolm, was Popenicine Resort Dumpsite.

2346
02:44:03,260 --> 02:44:09,100
Okay. I'm not sure that we're aware of that. I don't recall seeing that, but maybe you can

2347
02:44:09,100 --> 02:44:15,600
provide that... And we are in that area where it would be 150 meters. We were well outside

2348
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:20,920
that and this wouldn't even be an issue. Okay can I ask you to provide that to

2349
02:44:20,920 --> 02:44:31,460
Mr. Ferrer? Well it's supposed to have it. Malcolm passed his files on to foster.

2350
02:44:31,940 --> 02:44:36,240
We may not have, I don't remember seeing it in the planning package.

2351
02:44:38,860 --> 02:44:40,660
Okay any other

2352
02:44:40,660 --> 02:44:41,080
questions.

2353
02:44:44,020 --> 02:44:50,080
With respect concerning 14.3 midterm report I listened to the debate

2354
02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:54,580
intensely and interesting that it was difficult for me to understand what

2355
02:44:54,580 --> 02:44:59,780
exactly the mayor is not reporting on so I'm hoping the council can address that

2356
02:44:59,780 --> 02:44:59,960
and

2357
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,440
In some meaningful way with specifics, because I enjoy the reports, I find them thorough and

2358
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:11,320
as someone who follows council, regularly all the content that is meaningful to me as a citizen

2359
02:45:11,320 --> 02:45:15,940
and need more is there, so I don't understand what's missing in the current reporting structure.

2360
02:45:16,320 --> 02:45:23,360
Okay, I would note that council passed a motion to have the staff write these reports

2361
02:45:24,060 --> 02:45:26,960
And I will assume that that's what will happen more forward.

2362
02:45:27,540 --> 02:45:33,680
As I said at the meeting, I draft these reports, and I ask staff to review them and add them

2363
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:36,720
and delete things and feel anything is inappropriate.

2364
02:45:37,020 --> 02:45:44,060
So I'm sure we'll continue to have some sort of a message in the tax mills, but it'll

2365
02:45:44,060 --> 02:45:45,420
be a message from staff.

2366
02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:47,440
Okay.

2367
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:48,560
Anything else?

2368
02:45:50,750 --> 02:45:51,070
I have a clerk.

2369
02:45:51,070 --> 02:45:57,590
I do have a question from a number of public that I received by email today, and it's from

2370
02:45:57,590 --> 02:46:06,490
Carl Fyander, and he was wondering if there was an estimate on the amount of the integrity

2371
02:46:06,490 --> 02:46:07,950
commissioner reports.

2372
02:46:08,650 --> 02:46:12,490
And at the time, I did not have it, but I have since received it.

2373
02:46:13,270 --> 02:46:18,690
I received it later this afternoon, and the invoice is with taxes included, about

2374
02:46:18,690 --> 02:46:19,530
$16,000.

2375
02:46:20,370 --> 02:46:21,410
Thank you for that.

2376
02:46:21,930 --> 02:46:24,250
So that's news that we had earlier.

2377
02:46:26,190 --> 02:46:27,230
All right.

2378
02:46:30,030 --> 02:46:30,550
I

2379
02:46:32,920 --> 02:46:34,560
believe that's the end of the meeting.

2380
02:46:38,400 --> 02:46:39,960
Jane, your motion to do well.

2381
02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:46,000
Can I have your attention, please?

2382
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:47,940
I move by Councillor Downfield.

2383
02:46:48,120 --> 02:46:50,180
Seconded by Deputy Mayor Paula Banks.

2384
02:46:50,180 --> 02:46:53,980
be resolved with bylaw number 2025-43 being a bylaw

2385
02:46:53,980 --> 02:46:55,360
to govern the proceedings of the Council

2386
02:46:55,360 --> 02:46:57,160
of the Corporation of the Townsend Real Lakes

2387
02:46:57,160 --> 02:46:58,940
that this meeting held March the 3rd, 2025.

2388
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:01,420
It was taken as read a first, second, and third time

2389
02:47:01,420 --> 02:47:03,340
this third day of March 2025.

2390
02:47:04,220 --> 02:47:05,340
Are there any discussion?

2391
02:47:05,940 --> 02:47:06,660
All in favor?

2392
02:47:08,770 --> 02:47:09,410
Motion is carried.

2393
02:47:10,330 --> 02:47:10,930
Thank you, members.

2394
02:47:12,170 --> 02:47:15,350
And I will now declare that this meeting is adjourned

2395
02:47:15,350 --> 02:47:17,910
at 12 minutes to 10.

2396
02:47:20,010 --> 02:47:25,150
And please wait for a couple of minutes for us to go offline before you carry on additional