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Call a meeting to order. This is a temporary late regular meeting of the council. It is Tuesday, August 5, 2025, it is 6 p.m., and we're in the municipal offices in Chantry.

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Call a meeting to order. This is a temporary late regular meeting of the council. It is Tuesday, August 5, 2025, it is 6 p.m., and we're in the municipal offices in Chantry.

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In my call to order, I'll just simply mention that I understand that we have a fire ban, in effect, and people need to respect that.

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In my call to order, I'll just simply mention that I understand that we have a fire ban, in effect, and people need to respect that.

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And also that we had a couple of great fares in the past a couple of weeks, and they were well-attended.

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And also that we had a couple of great fares in the past a couple of weeks, and they were well-attended.

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So I will move on to the land acknowledgement statement.

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So I will move on to the land acknowledgement statement.

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Don't relics acknowledges that we live and work and are meeting on the ancestral territories of indigenous people.

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Don't relics acknowledges that we live and work and are meeting on the ancestral territories of indigenous people.

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We do so respect with both the land and the indigenous peoples, and on to their past, present and future.

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We do so respect with both the land and the indigenous peoples, and on to their past, present and future.

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The temperature values and respects their cultural heritage and relationship to the land.

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The temperature values and respects their cultural heritage and relationship to the land.

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That is why the land acknowledgement will call medical clerk.

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That is why the land acknowledgement will call medical clerk.

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Councilor Paulard is running late. Council of Maxwell is absent with prior notice and everyone else's attendance.

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Councilor Paulard is running late. Council of Maxwell is absent with prior notice and everyone else's attendance.

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Okay, item number four on the agenda, are there any emergency additions or amendments to the agenda?

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Okay, item number four on the agenda, are there any emergency additions or amendments to the agenda?

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Councilor Dunfield.

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Councilor Dunfield.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to put an addition under new under business arising.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to put an addition under new under business arising.

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It would be 9.2 and it would be required in the picture. It was held in Portland on Monday.

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It would be 9.2 and it would be required in the picture. It was held in Portland on Monday.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Is that just pre-information purposes?

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Is that just pre-information purposes?

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Or is that some action that you plan to do with that?

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Or is that some action that you plan to do with that?

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No action will be required.

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No action will be required.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other changes for the agenda?

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Any other changes for the agenda?

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Oh, Councillor of thanks, please.

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Oh, Councillor of thanks, please.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I would like to move up the notice of options to the new business.

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I would like to move up the notice of options to the new business.

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And we need to change the procedural dialogue because if anything has a deadline or if it has anything

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And we need to change the procedural dialogue because if anything has a deadline or if it has anything

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to do with your readles, the timelines for notice of options doesn't work.

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to do with your readles, the timelines for notice of options doesn't work.

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So, I think we need to change the procedural dialogue.

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So, I think we need to change the procedural dialogue.

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I would like to move up.

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I would like to move up.

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Are you looking 14.1, 14.2?

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Are you looking 14.1, 14.2?

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All three, because there are timelines.

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All three, because there are timelines.

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They won't make the next.

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They won't make the next.

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Yeah, we need the information prior to the next meeting.

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Yeah, we need the information prior to the next meeting.

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And where would you like to move up to?

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And where would you like to move up to?

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Wherever, Mary, I want to see a bit.

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Wherever, Mary, I want to see a bit.

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And then, so under proposed motion, so it'd be 13.4.

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And then, so under proposed motion, so it'd be 13.4.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And then I just have a new motion that I had sent just before Council.

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And then I just have a new motion that I had sent just before Council.

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And it is a notice of non-confidence due to the repetition of incorrect information in your veto.

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And it is a notice of non-confidence due to the repetition of incorrect information in your veto.

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And where would that go?

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And where would that go?

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Is that a vote of non-confidence in your marriage?

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Is that a vote of non-confidence in the mayor's advocacy?

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Yes, due to the false information in your veto.

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Yes, due to the false information in the veto, but you need to be no complaints.

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But you'll need to be don't contains.

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Okay.

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And where would you like that?

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And where would you like that?

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A 13.3, more than a 10.6.

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About 13.3?

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More than 13.6.

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point 6.

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Yes.

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Just the notice of the motion's gotten moved up.

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The notice of the motion is caught in the top.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And this is a notice of non-continent.

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And this is a notice of non-confidence.

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Okay.

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So, normally at this point I would suggest that notice is a motion and we need to set aside

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So, normally at this point I would suggest the notice of the motion.

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And we need to set aside the procedural dialogue.

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the procedure by law and not to prepare to do that at this point because obviously that

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I'm not going to do that at this point because obviously that would just simply delay the meeting for that.

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would just simply delay the meeting for that.

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So, any other changes to the agenda?

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So, any other changes to the agenda?

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Okay.

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Is it possible to bring the procedural by-law back at the September October because we do need to change it with the motions?

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Is it possible to bring the procedure by law back at the September October because we do need

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to change it with some solutions?

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I believe the procedural by-law is on staff's list of things to update.

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I believe the procedure by law is on staff's list of things to update.

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So, again, they need to look at all of that, including how these strong mirrors powers might impact our procedural by-law as well.

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So, again, they need to look at all of that including how these strong mirrors powers

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might impact our procedure by law as well.

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Okay.

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So, that will happen.

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So, that will happen.

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I'm not sure it will happen in September, but it will happen in the future.

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I'm not sure it will happen in September, but it will happen in May.

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I'm sure it will be.

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I'm sure it will happen in the future.

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I'm sure it will be.

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Thank you.

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I'm sure it will be.

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Question?

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Question?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Question?

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Do we not have to amend the procedural by-law in order to change the agenda today?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Do we not have to amend the procedure by law in order to change the agenda today?

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That's what I think we do.

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That's what I think we do.

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You would set it aside.

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You would set it aside.

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I can set it aside.

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I can set it aside.

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I think we can do.

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I think we need to.

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You would ask for a motion to set it aside.

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You would ask for a motion to set it aside.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Do we have a motion to set aside the procedural by-law with respect to moving?

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Do we have a motion to set aside the procedure by law to respect the moving?

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Adding this item and moving three notices a motion up in the agenda.

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Adding this item?

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And moving three notices a motion, up in the agenda.

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Move by Councillor Paul of A and second advice.

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Move by Councillor Paula May.

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Second advice.

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Councillor Dunfield.

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Councillor Dunfield.

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Any discussion?

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Any discussion?

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Here and none will.

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Here and nothing.

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Just again, we did not change the procedural by-law's to match stone mayer powers.

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Just again, we didn't change the procedure by law to match stone mayer powers.

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So the timeline for the veto isn't for us to put it back in.

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So, the timeline for the veto isn't for us to put it back in.

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Then we disagree with the vetoes.

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We disagree with the vetoes.

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Do not match the procedural by-law's.

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Do not match the procedure by law.

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Any other discussion?

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Any other discussion?

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Then I'll call a question.

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Then I'll call the question of all the favor.

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All in favor?

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Over the penny?

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Over the penny?

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Motion is carried.

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Motion is carried.

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So now I have a blue by Councillor.

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So, now I have a move by Councillor.

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Move by Councillor Paul of A and second advice.

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Move by Councillor Paula.

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Second advice.

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I have a move by Councillor Paula.

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Second advice.

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I have a move by Councillor Paula.

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Second advice.

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Second advice.

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Councillor Jeff Banks.

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Thanks.

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Be resolved with the agenda to be approved and adopted as amended.

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Be resolved with the agenda to be approved and adopted as amended.

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Any discussion?

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Any discussion?

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Then I'll call a question.

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Then I'll call the question of all the favor.

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All in favor?

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Motion is carried.

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Motion is carried.

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Thank you, members.

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Thank you, members.

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We will now move to.

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We will now move to the right.

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The Declaration of Caratric and the General Nature there.

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Declaration of Caratrice and the General Nature there are thoughts.

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Are there any declarations?

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Are there any declarations?

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I have declaration.

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I have a declaration.

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Have we?

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What declaration?

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Have the clerk who you might have a declaration.

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I agree.

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In other words, I have a declaration.

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I're a Juicum bill so stay today's date of this fifth, two declare!

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I agree who can go in?

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So stated today's date of a specific clear.

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A directed purinary interest in persons with municipal conflict of intercept and a conflict

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Direct pecernary interest.

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The importance of municipal consent, to venture act, and a conflict of interest-not pecurnary

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of interest, not a purinary nature related to any other matter including matters under the

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nature related to any other matter including matters under the tax earnings of a rifle

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Tangent Global Life Code of Conduct.

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title.

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In regards to item number 18.2 and 18.8 and 18.9, namely the July 14th, 2025 last year at proposed

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In regards to item number 18.2, 18.8 and 18.9, namely the July 14, 2025 in November.

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is that's probably going to be擔ing selection.

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So I work T, the 2025 LSE Minutes, and close matters under Section 239 to E and F on the

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with 225 LSE minutes and closed matters under section 239 to E and F on the regular agenda

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Roger agenda dated August 5th, 2025, declared inches of the following general nature, legal

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data of the SPF 2025 declared inches of the following general nature legal action against

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action against the mayor, and assigned by Gary Luford.

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the mayor and assigned by Gary Lupon.

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Hello.

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Hi, have there any other declarations?

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Hello.

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Thank you.

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You're in seeing none, there are allegations this evening, so we move on to number 8, a staff

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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report to 8.1, fire chief manager, command and protective protection, geo-rich or some

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Thank you.

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Fire Chief Manager, Command and Protected Protection, General Richard, some of the

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replacement, fire vehicle and word of contact.

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place of the fire vehicle and word of contact.

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Chief, you have a report in the package?

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Chief, you have a report in the package?

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Yes.

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Yes.

257
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Is your name which the Highlighter had to find?

258
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Is your name wish to highlight your add to that?

259
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No, it's just fine.

260
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No, it's just fine.

261
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Okay.

262
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Okay.

263
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So I'll be right back.

264
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So I'll let you read the motion.

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Let me read the motion.

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I have a move by Councillor Jeff Bank, second by Deputy Mayor Hutchins.

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I have a move by Councillor Jeff Banks, second by Deputy Mayor Hutchins.

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He resolved the council pass by, I'll authorize the mayor and clerk to sign an agreement

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He resolved the council pass by law authorized in the very court to sign an agreement with

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with Mike Fair, Cheryl A. Buick, GMC, Cadillac Limited for the purchase of a 2025 crew cab

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Mike Fair, Cheryl A. Buick, GMC, Cadillac Limited for the purchase of a 2025 crew cab 4x4

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for a truck and the amount of $50,227 dollars plus the township's portion of the HST and the

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truck.

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I found a fifty thousand two hundred twenty seven dollars plus the township's portion

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of the HST and the applicable licensing fee as presented in council report, FIRE 2025-18.

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applicable licensing fee as presented in council report, fire 2025-18.

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I heard the motion?

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I heard the motion?

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Discussion.

280
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Discussion?

281
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What happened?

282
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I don't know.

283
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What happened?

284
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I don't know.

285
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What happened?

286
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I don't know.

287
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I heard all.

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I don't know.

289
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I will call the question then.

290
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I will call the question then, all in favor.

291
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All in favor.

292
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Motion's carry.

293
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Thank you, Chief.

294
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Thank you, Chief.

295
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Thank you.

296
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Good job.

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The move on 8.2, which is a report from Tom Fair, Manager of Health and Services,

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The move on 8.2, which is a report from Tom Fair, manager of health and services.

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3 land road allowance, concession 1, lock 26 to 28, bastard township and I believe Mr. Fair

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Three-land road allowance, concession one, lock 26 to 28, bastard township, and I believe Mr. Fair is online.

301
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is online.

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If there are any questions, Mr. Fair is there any wish to highlight or add to your report?

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If there are any questions, Mr. Fair is any wish to highlight or add to your report?

304
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No, it was all I thought I didn't report, but I could answer any questions on that.

305
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No, it was all out of line in the report, but happy to answer any questions on that.

306
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Okay.

307
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That's true.

308
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So I have a move by Councillor Dunfield, the second of the Councillor Bullock.

309
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Yeah.

310
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Okay.

311
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So I haven't moved by Councillor Dunfield, second by Councillor Bullock.

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The result of the council pass, a by-law to authorize the mayor and clerk to sign the

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Be a result of the council pass, a by-law to authorize the mayor and clerk to sign the purchase

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purchase and sale agreement for $1 to accept the lands being offered by the owner of 38, 28,

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and sale agreement for $1 to accept the lands being offered by the owner of 3828.

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Big retail lake road is presented in council report, ds-2025-21.

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big rental rate road as presented in council report, DS-2025-21.

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You heard the motion?

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You heard the motion?

320
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Discussion?

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Discussion.

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Councillor Carver.

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Councillor Carver.

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Is this going to be an addition to one of the properties on the side?

325
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Going to be an addition to one of the properties on the side, Mr. Fair.

326
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Mr. Fair?

327
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

328
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Three-land road allowance, the what we're going to be transferred to us would be the land where it was

329
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I know what we'll be transferring to us would be the land where it was believed that a township

330
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believed that a township road allowance was.

331
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road allowance was.

332
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The land is currently being used for access to municipal train, so we would just be taking that land

333
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The land is currently being used for access to municipal drain, so we would just be taking that

334
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land as is a stand-alone person.

335
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as is a stand-alone person.

336
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We would be a road allowance or anything else.

337
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We would be a road allowance or anything else.

338
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It has become land that we don't.

339
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It has become land that we own.

340
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So how much work?

341
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So how much work has there been some culverts and stuff in there that has to be repaired

342
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Because there's some culverts and stuff in there that has to be repaired for something correct.

343
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for something correct?

344
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On the lands, believe to be the road allowance?

345
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On the lands believed to be the road allowance?

346
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Yes.

347
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Yes.

348
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I'm not aware of any culverts on there.

349
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I'm not aware of any culverts on there.

350
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I know the municipal drain runs along the part of these lands.

351
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I know the municipal train runs along part of these lands.

352
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However, we would have already been maintaining that message.

353
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However, we would have already been maintaining that, but I said, we'd been a bit of a bit of

354
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We'd be a bit of a bit of a sugary.

355
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a civil drain.

356
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Can we train in there?

357
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Could be a drain is over there.

358
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Any other questions?

359
00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,760
Any other questions?

360
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This is a little bit complicated.

361
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This is a little bit complicated, but I believe it's to correct a past error from many years

362
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What I believe it's to correct a past error from many years ago.

363
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ago.

364
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Correct, Mr. Fair?

365
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Correct, Mr. Fair?

366
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Correct.

367
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Correct, yes.

368
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Yes.

369
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It was thought that there was a road allowance here, however, when bastard township was originally

370
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It was thought there was a road allowance here.

371
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One bastard township was originally surveyed.

372
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surveyed, there was only a road allowance every other concession, so in this location there

373
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There was only a road allowance.

374
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What was that?

375
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There are the stature of public health staff.

376
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was an actual road allowance, and so that caused an inadvertent plan and a contravention

377
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When across those activities there was a century higher

378
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in one, two, one, three, 8, 8, 8, we don't think a road and another parcel and concession

379
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and there was a administrative process.

380
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And all of those activity是不是 belonged to a lot of individuals about the project.

381
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We're about and one of them was sold in that cause of planning on contraption.

382
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How did that go to the молchette?

383
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What does it mean to be able to do that?

384
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Thank you for that.

385
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Okay, thank you for that.

386
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Deputy Mayor Hodges, you have a question in the comment.

387
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Deputy Mayor Hodges, you have a question or a comment.

388
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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

389
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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

390
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I am under the impression from the past.

391
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I am under the impression from the past.

392
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There are culverts in there.

393
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There are culverts in there.

394
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And there may well be that this is a relation to the ownership of the property that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to be replacing or doing work on this, correct?

395
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And there may well be that this is a relation to the ownership of the property that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to be replacing or doing work on this, correct?

396
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Or just bring it forward because if you end up flooding somebody because of all of this and these culverts don't get utilized.

397
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Just bring it forward because if you end up fighting somebody because of all of this in these culverts, don't get utilized.

398
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That's how I'm just going to make two sets for them.

399
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That's all I'm just going to make two cents for it then.

400
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Okay.

401
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Okay.

402
00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,160
Yes, so we're just correcting for a wrong time.

403
00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,720
Yes, so just to correct me for a long time.

404
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But we thought that the U.R. allowance was ours.

405
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But we thought that the yard allowance was ours.

406
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And it was also through this process that we found out that it wasn't.

407
00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,160
And it was all through this process that we found out that it wasn't.

408
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So now that it will become our land again in Danchamp, we'll treat it the same.

409
00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,720
So now that it will become our land again in Dan, Chan, we'll treat it the same.

410
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Yes, yes.

411
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Yeah.

412
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There's work that requires you if you will go in and do that.

413
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There's work that requires you to go in and do that.

414
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Correct.

415
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Correct.

416
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Okay.

417
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Okay.

418
00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,720
You know.

419
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Councillor Dunfield, please.

420
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Councillor Donfield, please.

421
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Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

422
00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,720
Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

423
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We asked the CA to stand up and go over to the map and show us what he has for the loan.

424
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May I ask the CAO to stand up and roll over to the map and show us various or allowances?

425
00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,720
He says, I looked at this and found a very confusing.

426
00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,160
I looked at this and found a very confusing.

427
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Yeah.

428
00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,720
So I'm just wondering if this is the best photo.

429
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Very bold.

430
00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,720
Or if I should use the, is it, is it that funny?

431
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I'm just wondering if this is the best photo.

432
00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,160
Or if I should use the, is it?

433
00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,720
Is it that funny?

434
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Is it back on the 29?

435
00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,720
Is it that funny?

436
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Is that the road that would their thoughts?

437
00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,720
Is it that funny?

438
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You know when you go down and the Beer.

439
00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,720
Is it that funny?

440
00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,720
Is it that funny?

441
00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,160
It would be your doing a group of parents and pre-lipped.

442
00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,720
Yeah.

443
00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:54,720
I don't know if it's funny.

444
00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,160
Yeah.

445
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Yeah.

446
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To go left down onto freedom of or open.

447
00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:56,720
Yeah.

448
00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,720
Yeah.

449
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Yes.

450
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We call that back in 29.

451
00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,160
Yeah.

452
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That's what I think.

453
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I know where it is, so I have a 20-on perfect. Thank you.

454
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We're talking.

455
00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,720
I know where it is.

456
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So I have a 20-on perfect.

457
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Thank you.

458
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,160
You have a lot of techniques about him.

459
00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,720
You have a lot of techniques back in.

460
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Okay.

461
00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,720
Okay.

462
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Tell sugar.

463
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Councillor.

464
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We did.

465
00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:09,720
We did.

466
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Tell sugar.

467
00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,720
That's more techniques.

468
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Tell sugar.

469
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One.

470
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One.

471
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One.

472
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Okay.

473
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I'm okay.

474
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So.

475
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Okay.

476
00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,720
Councillor.

477
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Tell sugar.

478
00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,720
Councillor.

479
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Let's talk some more.

480
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Okay.

481
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Okay.

482
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So do all these people have the right to use this.

483
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So do all these people have the right to use this right away?

484
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Right away.

485
00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:29,720
So as it would be conveyed to us, there'd just be a piece of municipal property.

486
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Do you do what?

487
00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,160
Okay.

488
00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,160
So as it would be conveyed to us, there would just be a piece of municipal property.

489
00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,720
It would not be a bold allowance in the traditional sense.

490
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,160
It would not be able to launch in the traditional sense.

491
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The original rule allows the research to make when the geographic culture works.

492
00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,720
The original rule allows the reserve.

493
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,720
When the geographical pouches were served as a time, and you can't create a new rule

494
00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,160
It's served as a time and you can't create a new rule.

495
00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,160
It allows and you can't create a new rule.

496
00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,720
allowance.

497
00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,720
And you can't create a new one.

498
00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,160
So just be a piece of municipal property.

499
00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,720
I know the rule allows it to just be a piece of municipal property.

500
00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,160
I know right now that that is being used by farmers.

501
00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,720
I know right now that that is being used by farmers.

502
00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,160
And there's two or three farmers that will be using that.

503
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,720
And there's two or three farmers that will be using that.

504
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,160
And also they take wood out of there in the wintertime.

505
00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,720
And also they take wood out of there in the wintertime.

506
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I'm just, are you aware of that?

507
00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,720
I'm just.

508
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:57,720
Are you aware of that?

509
00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,720
Yeah.

510
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Yeah.

511
00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:59,720
So right now.

512
00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,160
So right now, actually, crossing the metice property.

513
00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,720
I'm actually crossing the metice property.

514
00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,160
They're not on touch or property when they're driving along that road.

515
00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,720
They're not on touch or property when they're driving.

516
00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,720
A lot of that, bro.

517
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,160
They think they are.

518
00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:06,720
They think they are.

519
00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,160
And we thought it was.

520
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,720
And we thought it was.

521
00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,160
But it wasn't.

522
00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,720
But it wasn't.

523
00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,160
No, I know there's a big, big, big, big profile here.

524
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,720
No.

525
00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,720
There's a big, big, big, big, big, big.

526
00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,160
I'm just making sure that everyone is aware.

527
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,720
Crafuffle here.

528
00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,720
I'm just making sure that everyone is aware.

529
00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,160
And if, and that floods sometimes too.

530
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,720
And if.

531
00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,720
And that floods sometimes too.

532
00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,160
So there is a problem in there.

533
00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,720
So there is a problem in there.

534
00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,160
So we have to make it make.

535
00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,720
So we have to make it make.

536
00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,160
Why wasn't there?

537
00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,720
Why wasn't there?

538
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:21,720
Sure.

539
00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:30,160
Sure, that we have our eyes dotted and our teeth crossed because this is going to cause a lot of problems.

540
00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,720
That we have our eyes dotted and our teeth cross.

541
00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,720
Because this is going to cause a lot of.

542
00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,720
Problems.

543
00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,720
Actually, I think the intent here is to fix.

544
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,160
Actually, I think the intent here is to fix.

545
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,720
And of course, we're working at that.

546
00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,160
And of course, we're working at that the owner is willing to clean this up for a dollar.

547
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,720
The owner is willing to.

548
00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,720
Clean this up for a dollar.

549
00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,160
Rather than have a school through a long process of trying to do it.

550
00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,720
Rather than have a school through a long process of trying to.

551
00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,720
So who can I ask the name of the owner.

552
00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,160
So who can I ask the name of the owner?

553
00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,720
That's hypnotized.

554
00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,160
Jim and Tyson is the owner.

555
00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,720
Who's the owner.

556
00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,720
It's.

557
00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,160
Nice.

558
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:48,720
You like.

559
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,160
You're right.

560
00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,720
Yeah.

561
00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,160
Go ahead.

562
00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,720
You like it.

563
00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,160
Go ahead and start.

564
00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:51,720
You like it, sir.

565
00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,160
Yes.

566
00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:52,720
Yes.

567
00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,160
I think they sold it.

568
00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:53,720
I'd like to ask the owner.

569
00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,160
All right.

570
00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:54,720
All right.

571
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,160
Any further comment or question?

572
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,720
Any further comment.

573
00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,160
Let me call the question.

574
00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:56,720
Let me call the question.

575
00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,720
All the favor.

576
00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,160
All the favor.

577
00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,160
I don't know.

578
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,720
I'll follow the defending.

579
00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,160
I don't know.

580
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,160
I'll follow it.

581
00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,720
That motion is still here.

582
00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,160
Motion is still here.

583
00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,720
Thank you.

584
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,160
Thank you.

585
00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,720
I think it's going to be a problem here.

586
00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,160
I think it's going to be a problem here.

587
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:12,160
We'll move on to 9.1, which is the M hack.

588
00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,720
We'll move on to 9.1, which is the M-hack.

589
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:19,760
Our recommendation number 25, 2025-30, statement to be included on the 2026 Real Lakes Road

590
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,160
Our recommendation number 2525-30.

591
00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:21,160
The statement to be included on the 2026 Retail Lakes Road map.

592
00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:27,460
Map, and the motion is this one, I have a little by Councillor Dunfield's second

593
00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,160
And the motion is this one.

594
00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,160
I have a little bit of my councilor done field, second of my councilor baller.

595
00:14:27,460 --> 00:14:32,160
by Councillor Bullock, whereas the Municipal Heritage Advisory Committee MAD meeting held July

596
00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,160
Whereas the Municipal Heritage Advisory Committee, M hack.

597
00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,160
Meeting held July the 17th, 2025.

598
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:38,280
the 17th, 2025, recommendation number 2025-30, was passed recommending to Council that the

599
00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,160
Recommendation number 2025-30.

600
00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,160
It was passed recommending to council that the following statement be included in the

601
00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,400
following statement be included in the 2026 Real Lakes Road Map.

602
00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,160
2026 Retail Lakes Road map.

603
00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:48,160
Early history of real lakes, archaeological evidence shows that indigenous peoples continue

604
00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,640
Early history of real lakes, archaeological evidence shows that indigenous peoples continue

605
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,160
lived in the real lakes area for at least 9,000 years.

606
00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,760
lived in the real lakes area for at least 9,000 years.

607
00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,160
Indigenous artifacts have been found around all of the lakes in this area.

608
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,000
Indigenous artifacts have been found around all of the lakes in this area.

609
00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,160
Now, therefore, be it resolved.

610
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,200
Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Council of the Corporation of the Central

611
00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,160
The council of the corporation of temporary lakes.

612
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:28,000
There's a whole bunch of stuff that's very sentimental and touching for read-a-lakes, North Crosby, and it really made me feel undisonged that they would do that to these past people who were a big part and history of the rank.

613
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:38,000
So that's all. I'm very, I just heard it over there. Other comments, councilor, please?

614
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Thank you, Your Worship. I'm just wondering if we're going to get a similar response as we got in 2023, which was not really accurate.

615
00:30:47,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Would it be worthwhile to us doing our own internal survey like setting it up to residents and asking them, why are you using recreational facilities in certain areas and maybe get, but trying to do a proper scientific survey so we can actually do some educated guessing as to what our numbers are if we're not able to get accurate numbers from the municipalities that we are paying to use their recreational services.

616
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Again, if we're wanting to look at these agreements at any time in the future, it may be worthwhile as just doing our own survey to see what our residents have to say about it.

617
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:30,000
They might give us more accurate information than non-existent members that could be Southernness policy, just food for that.

618
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Thank you, Mr. Chair. We were at the meeting where they were talking about the development of the Recreation Center in Smith Falls and Stephanie's provided us with the consultants information and in it they had the numbers of all the people participating in all of the sports. So they have the numbers and I would like to have them provided to council.

619
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Well, no, if that's the case then they should, they should present it to us if they have the numbers, but I was thinking if they don't have the numbers then we can go to the organizations that do that that ring and get numbers from them because I like the North needs to talk to you or whatever.

620
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,000
I don't know what they call this as well, but they would know, we have the Recreation Center.

621
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:36,000
And it's not that I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, not just this calls, but we need to know their numbers because there's a lot of people in Westport that play hockey but they're not from Westport.

622
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000
That would be nothing.

623
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Councilor Lloyd, second time, and Councilor make sure you have two options.

624
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Thank you.

625
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Thank you.

626
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Okay.

627
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Thank you, Richard.

628
00:32:51,000 --> 00:33:00,000
I guess one little bit of context I would add to my just, I know, experience of family members that have been involved with minor hockey and some as well as minor hockey and some as well as often.

629
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000
We're at the Recreation Center from Westport and Athens and other areas too.

630
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:10,000
So hockey teams, you may be registered in some as well as playing hockey and some as well as using some as well as right for games.

631
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,000
But you're practicing in Westport and you're practicing in Athens and they're moving around the area as well.

632
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:23,000
So there might be a little bit of gray areas to who's doing what is just because you're registered as well as we're not using the Recreation Center as well.

633
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
That's part of the association.

634
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

635
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000
I just don't.

636
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Just a context that there is a little bit of sharing of bodies moving around.

637
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,000
Thank you.

638
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000
I just want to react.

639
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:46,000
It would be pointless for us to send it a letter to our residents because we just did that in one board and we only got 20% response and that was in the elections.

640
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000
So I mean, I would suggest that we probably wouldn't get five percent response.

641
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000
So they have the numbers.

642
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000
You have to register.

643
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
You have to put your address down.

644
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000
They've got the numbers.

645
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
They said it's been 16 years.

646
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000
We've gotten one year and that was it.

647
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Okay.

648
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
All right.

649
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
All right.

650
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Let me just make a couple of comments here.

651
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000
This is an ongoing discussion that's been the previous council statements as well.

652
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,000
It's it's it's very convoluted these statistics because.

653
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000
How do we know how many people use the walking track?

654
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000
How do we know how many people from real age to 10.

655
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Bears games or or read those games.

656
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
You know like this.

657
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
These are all uses that you cannot track.

658
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
You can really track his perhaps organized sport.

659
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Okay.

660
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
The time is hockey.

661
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
How many people from here?

662
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000
How many people from there?

663
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
That type of thing.

664
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
And they provided some of that in the past.

665
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000
The contract that we have expires in 2026.

666
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000
So there is an opportunity to renegotiate.

667
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000
I think we're asking a long question.

668
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000
I think the question we need to ask is the contract that we have now is formula based.

669
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,000
It's based on distance to the closest arena and assessment based.

670
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
And I believe in in those areas.

671
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
And then it's based on the ability to pay.

672
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,000
So that that formula was was put together by our auditor at the time.

673
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,000
And that has not been updated for probably eight years or so.

674
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,000
So again, I think that's the sort of thing that we should be saying to Smith Falls.

675
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Particularly because of the largest user.

676
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,000
You know, we expect you to update that information because if Smith Falls has grown faster than

677
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Read Olegs or Merciful Wolford or some of the other partners.

678
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Because I think five partners here with Smith Falls, for example.

679
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Then their share will go up and our share will go down, of course, on one.

680
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,000
I believe we pay about 26% of operational costs only.

681
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
We do not contribute to any capital.

682
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,000
We've not been asked to contribute any capital existing or future.

683
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,000
So we did they didn't have a meeting where they they talked about doing new facilities.

684
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,000
And you know, if they ever make a decision on that, they will probably come to us and say, would you consider.

685
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
But we made no commitments on that.

686
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
But they have mentioned capital.

687
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Just so we could have.

688
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Yes.

689
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Oh, they they mentioned capital and the past.

690
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,000
But literally we we've not agreed to any capital contribution.

691
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
So they take their operational costs and their net and they have been successful.

692
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,000
The last few years and reducing the overall operational costs.

693
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Now the formula with Athens and West Park is a bit different.

694
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
But the big one of course is the Smith Falls.

695
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
But a lot of people to understand that.

696
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,000
And this motion I think is is.

697
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,000
It's going to be challenging for them to give us any sort of realistic.

698
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,000
Numbers that we can put any faith in sort of saying.

699
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
You know, if we're in this area.

700
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Then you're likely going to get your recreation services whether it's public skating.

701
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
You know, figure skating.

702
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Minor hockey.

703
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Old timer's hockey.

704
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
You like to go Smith Falls.

705
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Or you like to go to West Park.

706
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000
You like to go to Athens.

707
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Depending on where you live and what your assessment is.

708
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000
So anyway, that's that's the context that I think we need to add.

709
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Any other final discussion on this motion.

710
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Culture politics.

711
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
I've stated from the beginning.

712
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000
I get frustrated because they base it on the assessment in South

713
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Elsley mainly, which are mostly retired waterfront people.

714
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,000
And if you went to the public meeting in Smith Falls.

715
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000
There were very few people that attended it.

716
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000
And their survey got less than our surveys.

717
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,000
So I don't think a survey is the answer.

718
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,000
I do believe that we look, we need to look at the formula and we need input.

719
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000
You can say that it's well run.

720
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,000
I heard from people in the organization that it needs to be modified.

721
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
You could successfully say that there needs to be modifications.

722
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000
So I'm not willing to support a lot of money going.

723
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
So I'm not willing to support a lot of money going.

724
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
So I'm willing to support a lot of money going.

725
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000
So I'm willing to support a lot of money going.

726
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Okay.

727
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
All right.

728
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000
I'm ready to call a question.

729
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,000
All favor.

730
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Opposed today.

731
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Opposed today.

732
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Opposed today.

733
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Opponent of Councilor Bollock to committees.

734
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
We're going to put them to work.

735
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Yes.

736
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
I'm going to put a ties to you.

737
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000
I need a mover and a seconder for this motion.

738
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Moved by Councilor Paul of Banks.

739
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Seconded by Councilor Paul.

740
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:35,000
We resolve that the Councilor Corporation, the Councilor relates hereby appoints Councilor

741
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Dussman Bollock to the following committees.

742
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Councilor Rocker, Regent Conservation Authority.

743
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Friends of the Capital Trail.

744
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Planning Advisory and Committee of Adjustment.

745
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
And the Warp and Area Community in Aspen Committee.

746
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,000
And further, the Councilor Cardby removed as an appointed Councilmember of St.

747
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Here are the motion discussion.

748
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Councilor Card.

749
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,000
I was never appointed, sorry.

750
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
So you did that last sentence.

751
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
No, I believe you were.

752
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
I would never counsel or do any of that.

753
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
You were put in temporarily.

754
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000
But it wasn't rain.

755
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000
No.

756
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Then I know.

757
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
I think I did it.

758
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
It was done.

759
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
It was done.

760
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
I didn't know that.

761
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,000
You're fired.

762
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
You're fired.

763
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
I didn't know.

764
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000
I didn't know.

765
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,000
I didn't know.

766
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000
I didn't know.

767
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000
I didn't know.

768
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Okay.

769
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Oh, thanks.

770
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
You didn't know you were in black.

771
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000
If she didn't know she was.

772
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
You're in black.

773
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000
You're in black.

774
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Oh, I'm in black.

775
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Oh, I'm in black.

776
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Can I call a question?

777
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000
All the favor.

778
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Sure.

779
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Question is carrying.

780
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000
No.

781
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Put them in black.

782
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Put them in black.

783
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
I'm not.

784
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Okay.

785
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Okay.

786
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
I got them out.

787
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,000
So, okay.

788
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Okay.

789
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,000
It was 14.

790
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000
It was just 1.1.

791
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000
14.1.

792
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000
14.1.

793
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
But she's not 13.1.3.

794
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Imagine that.

795
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
13.1.3.

796
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:06,720
Now, Deputy Mayor Hutchings, would you please read this motion?

797
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,000
I'm not prepared to read this motion into the record.

798
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000
I'll read it later.

799
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000
I'll read it later.

800
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Yeah, I'll share this.

801
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Is there a conflict on this?

802
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
No conflict.

803
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
No conflict.

804
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000
No conflict.

805
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,000
No conflict.

806
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
No conflict.

807
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Where can vote on and over?

808
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Okay.

809
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Just curious.

810
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Okay.

811
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
So, um,

812
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000
resolution, whole of banks over the right of the mayor.

813
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
You don't read, come, come, come.

814
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Burmatorium, I'm on 20, 25, 94 championships.

815
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:45,000
So, it's moved by public banks, and then we have second year.

816
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Which one can I?

817
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
I want to thank you.

818
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Do you speak?

819
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Okay.

820
00:40:51,000 --> 00:41:03,000
So, it's second by Jeff Banks, right?

821
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:13,000
We're at a section 284.11 of municipal act 20, 001 permits the head of council to be built,

822
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,000
a by-law only if it interferes with a prescribed provincial priority.

823
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,000
And we're asked by-law number 2025-94.

824
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
She does not interfere with any provincial priority.

825
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:35,000
I, but instead ensures that council and staff of the township of mutilates receive critical information

826
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:47,000
for which taxpayers have already paid $138,000 to support responsible transparent and evidence-based decision-making.

827
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:56,000
And we're asked section 224 of the municipal act 201 defines council's court responsibilities,

828
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,000
including 2 represent the public and consider the well-being of the municipality, 224,

829
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:14,000
brackets A, and to ensure accountability and transparency of municipal operations, 224, brackets D1.

830
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:25,000
And we're asked section 225, brackets C1, requires the mayor as head of council to provide information and recommendations to council and support

831
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:32,000
because responsibilities under section 224, and the failure to do so undermines these obligations.

832
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:41,000
And we're asked the mayor of Vito, in this case, is being used to withhold information from council

833
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:47,000
and the public obstructing transparency and pending council's ability to govern responsibility.

834
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:58,000
And violating possibility both the letter and the spirit of section 224 and 225 of municipal act.

835
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:10,000
And whereas any member of council who supports as Vito is by extension, maybe in reach of their legal obligations under section 224 by failing to represent the public

836
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000
interest and support transparent governs.

837
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Now, therefore, be it resolved that the council would attach for me to links here by ORIs of our mayor orio.

838
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Vito of by law number 2025-94, pursuant to section 284, dot 11, brackets 8, on the municipal act 20, 0, 1.

839
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:52,000
And further, that by law number 2025-94, shall be reading, reading past.

840
00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:08,000
And further, that this resolution be forwarded to municipal, ministry, affairs, and housing in the Ontario opposite, and the information and privacy commissioner of Ontario,

841
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:24,000
for formal review, and to reaffirm that section 284, dot 11, is not to be used to obstruct law council oversight or public accountability.

842
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Any questions about it?

843
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,000
First, I want to go to that actual motion itself.

844
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,000
It's the confirmatory by law that being Vito through strong mayor powers.

845
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,000
And it was a motion that was put forward, not a by law.

846
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:53,000
So, I'm kind of that losses to what the strong mayor power position is on this because it is actually a motion that's being built.

847
00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Also, this is also tack on on the democracy of the council.

848
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:13,000
The majority of council, because we voted for this, but this is, and let's get this very, very clear, this is to get a price stop, that's it, just to get a price.

849
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:21,000
We did the work, all we have to do is send it into tender. If we don't like the price, we don't have to do it, because if it came in at $82 million, we would not do the work.

850
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,000
If it came in at $1 million, we would have to answer some questions, but we don't know that.

851
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,000
So, why would anybody vote against us getting the information?

852
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:38,000
And we've always asked for apples, apples, and we have a motion on the floor for us to do a new build cost.

853
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:47,000
So, I'm at a loss as to what is it that the minority of council wants, because we're going to compare the two of these together and make a decision.

854
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,000
So, what is it that you don't want to build an office, if that's what it is.

855
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,000
And I heard the last video was because there was no public, what was a public input.

856
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,000
There was no, I guess, appetite for public to move forward on this office.

857
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:10,000
I don't know who anybody's talking about, what public, because there's a lot of people out there that are looking at the conditions in this building, they want to change.

858
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:19,000
This should be the input from staff, and we are not making a decision on changing this office until we have the plans for a new build also.

859
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:25,000
This is only for information. So, this is not in the flavor of the mayor of the Oto power.

860
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:32,000
At all, it's a blatant misuse of those powers. So, I'm going to support this.

861
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000
We finished on a job.

862
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Yes.

863
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Thanks.

864
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Can you have your hand up, Mr.

865
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Yes.

866
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Thank you.

867
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Well, clearly I'm not going to be supporting this motion.

868
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:51,000
This motion has a number of false statements in it, as far as I'm concerned.

869
00:46:51,000 --> 00:47:01,000
It is a repeat of the motion, where I vetoed earlier, the confirmatory biologist, which we have authorized to put a project out for tender.

870
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,000
And my view is not in system for prevention of priorities or municipal priority for household.

871
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,000
So, I will continue to veto this project.

872
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000
As long as I'm there, and I feel it's rather pointless to continue to bring this back.

873
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Again and again, because I believe council does not have the required six votes to overturn my view.

874
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:31,000
So, I will be calling for a record of vote on this, and as I say, it requires six votes to overturn my view.

875
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Add it to simply, it's not going to happen.

876
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Thank you.

877
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Councillor Paul again, please.

878
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:51,000
As people will see once we get to the non-confidence vote, my biggest issue with the veto was the categorically false statements made in the veto.

879
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,000
And they weren't repeated from the first veto.

880
00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:02,000
And we have given the mayor an opportunity to correct those, and instead of doing that, he copied and pasted them into the second veto.

881
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:17,000
So, the first thing I'd like to address is he says, a local citizen developer has offered three five acre parcel on a highway that would facilitate the development of a new adjacent subdivision in existing village.

882
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,000
This option was never or not properly considered by council.

883
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:33,000
That is categorically false, as the new Councillor will tell you, it has been discussed as all of council knows, it has been discussed several times.

884
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:42,000
And for it to be a copy and paste in a veto four days after those discussions, I feel it's an insult to us.

885
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:51,000
It's an insult to the public, pretending that we haven't hashed this property several times that the owner has not changed his conditions.

886
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,000
His condition several times is completely false.

887
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:16,000
So, in the non-confidence vote, or in one of the motions I sent today, I feel that all the information about the album property should now become public, including the original request of the gentleman for an MTO permit of highway 15, and the estimated cost of that.

888
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:38,000
The second thing that I found insulting in the veto was the copy and paste of the debt reason, because as Tony Fleming, I'm solicitor said, in a paper to again, not way mayor, we pay him a lot of money for his opinions, and he said that he doesn't feel that it would pass the test.

889
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:52,000
So, I'm sorry, and the other one, asking contractors to bid on a process of which was flawed, is not supported by citizen staff, hired architects or engineers.

890
00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:07,000
The mayor, even though council's asked several times, has failed to show us any documentation from staff, architects or engineers about any flaws in this process, he either doesn't want to give them to us or just refuses.

891
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:30,000
So, I'm asking council based on the category of false statements in this veto that were copied and pasted from the first one that we've debunked to me supporting this veto is an insult when we all know that statements in it are categorically false, like the council has never looked at the album property.

892
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:43,000
So, that is why I asked for an opinion of someone that I respect and they feel that passing this veto based on false information is a breach of the municipality.

893
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,000
So, I'm asking council to not support this veto. Thank you.

894
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,000
So, do you have any questions?

895
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Can you answer your questions?

896
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:02,000
It poses me why a motion to go get a price and we go for tender and people bid on it.

897
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
We have ten people bid.

898
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,000
The only one person gets the job, the other nine don't, so that means the other nine are never going to be on a project again.

899
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Absolutely not.

900
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,000
The only one person is going to get the job if we did decide to get the job.

901
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,000
And for us to accept a tender price has to be done through a buy law.

902
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Has the chance to veto that buy law.

903
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,000
So, my question to the mayors, why is he so afraid to get a price?

904
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,000
Or why we can't get a price?

905
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
We just want a price, that's only one.

906
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
You've asked for it, deputy mayor.

907
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Council policy asks for it.

908
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,000
We want a price, so we can compare something to something.

909
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,000
We can't compare nothing to something because we are not even going to be allowed to get a price.

910
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000
These contractors do this all the time.

911
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
You think Kevin only mids on one project.

912
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,000
They do 500 of them probably every month and they don't get them all.

913
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
That's what they have people hired for.

914
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
That's what they do.

915
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,000
They bid on projects.

916
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
They don't ask, are you going to do it?

917
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,000
We're not going to do it.

918
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
They'll keep that bid price for 90 days.

919
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,000
We were trying to get a new build in position so that we can do the two of them together.

920
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
And we've now moved to that position now.

921
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
And the mayor's veto is going to veto that.

922
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,000
So I don't understand what everybody is afraid of.

923
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Trying to get a price.

924
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
People know exactly what it would be.

925
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
That's what we're supposed to be doing.

926
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Isn't it?

927
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
We're supposed to be representing all the public.

928
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,000
And I'll tell you right now today not all the public is against us.

929
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,000
We're going to be changing or getting a price.

930
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
There's a lot of people that want to know about what it is.

931
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,000
You may get 100 phone calls, but there's 10,000 eligible voters in this township.

932
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,000
And if you get 100 phone calls about that office, you better let me know at least 10 of them.

933
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Because I have not got one yet.

934
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000
Not one.

935
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:49,000
So I think it's disgraceful that we can't even find the price.

936
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,000
Oh, and just the last question.

937
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:56,000
If the veto is it six of nine or is it five of eight?

938
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000
It is six no matter who's in the room.

939
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Okay.

940
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Just want to make sure.

941
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Anybody else?

942
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,000
Thank you.

943
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Thank you.

944
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Madam Deputy Mayor.

945
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:13,000
The comments that the mayor said regarding this particular motion being inaccurate.

946
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Could he please point out what the enactor seems to have.

947
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,000
I'm asking you.

948
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:31,000
If I'm asked to respond to this, I'm simply going to say that I've heard this so many times.

949
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
I repeated myself so many times.

950
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000
It says that it's not interfere with the provincial priority.

951
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,000
I guess you agree with that.

952
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000
And many others agree with me.

953
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:48,000
So, I mean, and it talks about accountability and transparency from my perspective.

954
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:54,000
I'm being more accountable and transparent than other members of council are being respect to all of this action.

955
00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:01,000
So, as I would say, I would say it might have been like that.

956
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,000
I'm going to sign up for a semester of banks and the floor.

957
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,000
No, go ahead.

958
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Okay.

959
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,000
So, I'm going to...

960
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,000
I'm not going to continue to hammer away at this.

961
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000
I will simply ask for the vote.

962
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,000
And if it's overturned, it's overturned.

963
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:23,000
But my position is that this project will not be put up to tender.

964
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:33,000
I'm finished and I would hope that you have observed the fact that people don't speak to the issue to us.

965
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,000
She's this chair.

966
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000
This is my follow up.

967
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Everybody's always spoke once and some people have me spoke yet.

968
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
So, anyways, see.

969
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000
I'll slide down to you in your next slide.

970
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,000
Thank you. I appreciate that.

971
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:52,000
In this particular motion, it is identified that I am structuring the information to be brought

972
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:59,000
forward to the public to provide a cost for any potential renovations for this facility

973
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,000
is not being transparent.

974
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,000
Mr. Mayor, shame on you for not bringing this to the public.

975
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Can I just comment?

976
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,000
I am bringing this to the public and the public is overwhelming and supportive of my position.

977
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,000
No, I disagree.

978
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000
I disagree.

979
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,000
That's your third.

980
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Well, if I'm being attacked, I can move this one.

981
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,000
No, you don't let us.

982
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,000
If I'm chairing this meeting, I want to chair this meeting.

983
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000
And I'm going out where you come back here and you sit down.

984
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
Okay?

985
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
So, I'm sorry.

986
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
But that's it.

987
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,000
And if I, if Debbie comes out, it'll be, you know.

988
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,000
So, anyways, Councillor Jeff fakes your second time.

989
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Well, again, in the comments in the paper, the mayor stated that he is not going to have

990
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,000
the renovation of Chantry, go to tender.

991
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,000
We have not asked for the renovation of Chantry to go to tender.

992
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,000
We are asking for a cost just to give it to the public.

993
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Now, he's had overwhelming support from I, I'm not sure who, but I haven't got any calls

994
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,000
and I'm talking to people and everybody's saying, well, at least now find out what both costs are.

995
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,000
At least find it because then we have something that we can compare it to.

996
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:27,000
Because if you don't, we're doing a very large injustice to the public by keeping this hit.

997
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:34,000
And I don't know what the purpose of keeping information hidden has to do with building more homes.

998
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,000
It has absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever.

999
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,000
So, we need to see what that cost is going to be.

1000
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,000
He still has a power to be a bit.

1001
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,000
So, what's he afraid of?

1002
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000
So, all I'm asking, what is the mayor afraid of?

1003
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000
You done?

1004
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,000
Yep.

1005
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Okay.

1006
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,000
So, does he?

1007
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Has it gone?

1008
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,000
Yes.

1009
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000
Thank you.

1010
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
I really don't have a lot to say, I don't know.

1011
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,000
I think I've made my position on the Chantry renovation pretty clear through my lecture.

1012
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,000
And in past meetings, we've got about this.

1013
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,000
I'm not supportive of overturning the veto because I don't believe that this project

1014
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
as it currently stands in the best interest of the municipality.

1015
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000
That's my stance.

1016
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,000
And that's all I'm going to make my decisions, whether I think it's in the best interest of the municipality.

1017
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
I would remind residents that they are watching the meeting,

1018
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,000
that we do have a 99% of our earnings to take this building to tender for renovation.

1019
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,000
And we do have a cost with that, which is $4.5 million.

1020
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,000
That's a class A estimate, which is what you get before you're going to your final ten.

1021
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,000
I understand prices may change, things may change.

1022
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,000
We've seen changes from class A to tender in the past.

1023
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,000
But we don't have anything to really compare this to in terms of a new bill,

1024
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,000
which I believe is the more appropriate approach.

1025
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,000
We should be looking at future needs of the municipality.

1026
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,000
I don't believe building here is taking that into consideration.

1027
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:02,000
So, I mean, if we're going to discuss looking at another location and look at it

1028
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,000
and going through the process of seeing what we're going to build on that location,

1029
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,000
I think we need to go through that process.

1030
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
We need to get to our class A estimate there.

1031
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,000
We need to compare our class A to a clock set.

1032
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,000
And after the same, there's your comparison.

1033
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,000
When you go to tender, you're going to get to that final price.

1034
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
But going to tender means you're intending to build.

1035
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,000
It doesn't mean you're getting an estimate.

1036
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,000
And estimate is the clock set that we have.

1037
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,000
And at the moment, that's $4.5 million.

1038
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000
So just, that's where I say.

1039
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
I see that.

1040
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
I understand that it can change.

1041
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,000
I understand where Councillor Banks is coming from in terms of it is only in estimate.

1042
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
We could get a more accurate bill price.

1043
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000
However, that accurate bill price is only good for 30 days.

1044
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,000
So that can change after we get that.

1045
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,000
It's not really, I don't believe worth our time to go through that step.

1046
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
We're not ready to do that yet.

1047
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:55,000
I think we have a lot more bridges to cross and figure out what I believe would be a more appropriate approach.

1048
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,000
It's going to look like, and what that is going to cost from a purely estimate class.

1049
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,000
They estimate standpoint before we really take the cent.

1050
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,000
And again, maybe let the public decide which way they want to go.

1051
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:14,000
Again, I think there's been lots of words filled at this table about where people think we should go with this.

1052
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:19,000
And I have said that I do not believe there's been enough public consultation on this.

1053
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,000
And I think that that's that's been buried out.

1054
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,000
And I hope you can, you know, replicate that in the future.

1055
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,000
So anyway, just a wrap to summarize.

1056
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
I will not be overheating the veto.

1057
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Thank you.

1058
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Okay, I'll start.

1059
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Thank you.

1060
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000
Deputy Mayor.

1061
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,000
Again, I'll reiterate that my problem with the veto isn't whether it's over turn or not.

1062
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,000
My problem with the veto is the category of false statements that are included in the veto.

1063
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,000
That the mayor knows are not true.

1064
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,000
For example, that we have not looked or hashed it.

1065
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
The property in elegant and that is categorically false.

1066
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,000
He says, we're not being transparent.

1067
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,520
But he comes in with comments like Steve Clark supports his veto, which Steve Clark said was categorically false also. And he says the 12 mayors and leaps and grumble support him and do not support council yet. None of them supports strong mayor powers. So to me, this isn't about the office. This is about strong mayor powers. And supporting this veto is supporting strong mayor powers. When they reasoned in the strong mayor powers,

1068
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:37,560
our categorically false, and I'm assuming when we get to the motion where I ask to bring the

1069
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:58,560
outcome information, public, the public will see the mayor used categorically false information in his veto. So by supporting this veto, I and others believe, you are breaching municipal. It is based on categorically false information. Thank you.

1070
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:11,560
When we send stuff at the tender, we can actually, we can actually, I got to be fair there.

1071
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:26,560
So anybody else, I'm kind of confused because we're doing this to veto the mayor.

1072
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:36,560
Are we going to basically because of the false information that's out there, or are we going to oppose going out for a price?

1073
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:46,560
Can somebody answer me that? Are we going to a or is it both this? I can clarify one. It counsel votes in favor of the override.

1074
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,560
That means that staff are issuing the tender for the chantry office.

1075
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,560
That's what I mean.

1076
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,560
Do you have a price?

1077
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:54,560
Do you have a price?

1078
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,560
It shows a tender.

1079
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,560
So we do nothing with veto with guarding the mayor.

1080
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:04,560
This motion is to override the mayor's veto and you direct that to issue the tender.

1081
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,560
To your price.

1082
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Let's get a price, isn't it?

1083
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,560
Yes.

1084
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:09,560
To issue the tender.

1085
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,560
We don't have to accept.

1086
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,560
What counts in the side to do with it once the price is received?

1087
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,560
Does that count?

1088
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,560
It's to get a price.

1089
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Okay.

1090
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,560
Okay.

1091
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,560
So I'm not familiar with construction people.

1092
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,560
In other words, if I go and get a price, does that mean I'm going to build right now?

1093
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:27,560
No.

1094
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,560
Is everybody saying that?

1095
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:34,560
Because I know if you go and you do a house, you may get three or four prices and you go like any money

1096
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,560
And do your pricing.

1097
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:43,560
So I can't really say when you work for a price, you're not really saying you're going to take that.

1098
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,560
Because you're going to have then three or four money is coming from.

1099
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,560
Then you have to go to bank if you're going to afford it.

1100
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,560
So I think we're still thinking as to...

1101
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:57,560
This is very getting very confusing as to whether it's the mayor or whether we want a price.

1102
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,560
And I've been saying it all along.

1103
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:59,560
I want a price.

1104
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:00,560
That's all I want.

1105
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,560
And I don't care about whether you made it with boo-boo or not.

1106
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:08,560
Because we have said we need a price as to how much is going to cost.

1107
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,560
So I don't think that's a line.

1108
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,560
We just need a price.

1109
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,560
And whether we go over your head or not, I don't care.

1110
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,560
I don't care.

1111
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:18,560
It's just whatever.

1112
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,560
I want to raise it.

1113
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Okay.

1114
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,560
Can I start pulling me as soon as I'm spoken with?

1115
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1116
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:37,560
As I said before, I think we're at a point with this feeling here that we got a price that is closer.

1117
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,560
Well, I don't know.

1118
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:40,560
I don't know.

1119
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,560
I don't know.

1120
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:42,560
I don't know.

1121
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,560
I don't know.

1122
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,560
I don't know.

1123
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:45,560
I don't know.

1124
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:57,560
And I also think we should be bringing the new outbreak decided that they both go to the public.

1125
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,560
And we can look at the most of them at the same time of the year.

1126
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,560
Yeah.

1127
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,560
If you want to compare them, let's close you even get them and we should be side by side.

1128
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:06,560
Well, that's.

1129
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:08,560
Well, then you wait.

1130
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,560
There's going to be time.

1131
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:15,560
So, at this point, I was a part of theator that I asked.

1132
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,560
Can you just finish?

1133
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,560
Can you answer the call?

1134
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:19,560
Do you finish?

1135
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,560
Yes.

1136
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:21,560
Councillor.

1137
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,560
Thank you.

1138
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,560
Thank you.

1139
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:29,560
Just maybe to add some a slight follow-up to Councillor Kerr's question.

1140
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,560
The class I asked him to do we have right now from our consultant is saying that it's going

1141
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,560
to be 4.5 million.

1142
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,560
That's that's the cost we currently want to do this building.

1143
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:44,560
Now, when you go out and find a construction company that's actually going to get a bit on the specifics

1144
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,560
of building that plan, they're going to give you a bit more specific to terms of the current.

1145
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,560
Market and what their costs are and everything like that.

1146
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,560
So, that price could change one way or the other.

1147
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,560
We have seen in the last five years.

1148
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,560
We've gone through a couple other bills here where the estimate price has been higher than what the

1149
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:09,560
bill price is being, but we've seen major fluctuations in the building market and the construction

1150
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,560
market, which isn't really there anymore to the same degree.

1151
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,560
A couple years ago you had a lot of fluctuations with COVID, but we've kind of reached a bit of a

1152
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,560
plateau now.

1153
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:24,560
So, I think it's a lot safer to assume that our current estimate that we have received, which is a

1154
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,560
class that it's about plus minus 10 percent.

1155
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,560
I forget what it is.

1156
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,560
It's pretty close.

1157
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:36,560
It is relatively accurate and putting a tender out and getting going down that road is generally seen in that

1158
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:41,560
industry as being your intention to move forward because you've done all the work.

1159
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,560
You've done all the design.

1160
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:48,560
You're going to find someone that's going to come and build that design that you've now gone through the process of doing.

1161
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,560
And we have, we can budget based on $4.5 million.

1162
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,560
So, if we want to compare this current, we have everything we have.

1163
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,560
99 percent of drawings, we could go tomorrow and say, build us.

1164
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,560
But we don't have anything to compare it to.

1165
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,560
We can't compare it to another class A drawing.

1166
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:15,560
So, we could go as we have discussed about looking at another property and what a new build, full new build would be on that new property.

1167
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:22,560
And compare, once we get that up to the class A estimate standpoint, we could compare and say, look, we have this class A estimate of 4.5 million.

1168
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:29,560
We could probably have the architect update that cost by the time this is a number of months from now that cost me fluctuate.

1169
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,560
And we can compare those two together at the class A levels.

1170
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,560
So, you're getting an apples to apples.

1171
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,560
When you go to the tender after that, then you're going to get your final build, build price.

1172
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:49,560
So, if this stage, when we're making these decisions, this higher level, going and getting a tender price is a level of detail that is not required.

1173
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:54,560
And really, is it going to give us any more context that we already have to the current class A?

1174
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,560
Is my stance on it?

1175
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,560
So, 4.5 million, that's the class A, at this stage.

1176
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Thank you, everybody.

1177
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:03,560
Okay, my second concept.

1178
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:04,560
Thank you.

1179
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,560
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

1180
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,560
I appreciate Councillor Bullock's comments.

1181
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:16,560
One of the things that we can forget is that we will go out and get a price for a brand new build on a brand new lot.

1182
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,560
But we still have a million approximately that we have to do with right here.

1183
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:30,560
So, if we go and get a 4.5 million price over here on a brand new, we still have to add a million or a approximate that we're going to have to do here.

1184
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,560
So, that new build is 5.5 million, 5.5 million, not 4.5.

1185
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,560
That has to be under consideration.

1186
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:49,560
I understand where Councillor Bullock is looking at the future and the growth of this building and the growth of the township and the growth of the public works department and everything else.

1187
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:56,560
So, I agree, if we go and build somewhere else new, this would become perhaps the public works office.

1188
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,560
But again, we have put money into this.

1189
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:02,560
I would just like to find out what the actual cost might be.

1190
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:08,560
And I would also like to identify that the estimate that we got

1191
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,560
has been opened up.

1192
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:18,560
There's lots of stuff in there that identify costs that were a lot higher than we know they would actually cost.

1193
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,560
So, there was some cushioning provided in the class A estimate.

1194
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,560
Let's get a real price.

1195
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:35,560
Let's know what it's going to cost unless you're another estimate and find out what it's really going to cost and then make the decision.

1196
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,560
And to be really honest, I have spoken to a number of people.

1197
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,560
And they really don't care.

1198
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,560
They just want us to have a healthy place for all our staff to work.

1199
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,560
And that it...

1200
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:50,560
Chantry is fairly close to being in the middle of this municipality.

1201
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,560
We can't put it in cross because we're going to be in the middle of a circle now if we do that.

1202
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:02,560
So, leaving it in chantry where people are used to it for the last 27 years isn't a bad thing.

1203
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:11,560
But if we move to somewhere new, if we go to a different municipality or a hamlet or a village, those people will need to say,

1204
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,560
I'm not sure I want all that traffic driving up and down my roads.

1205
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,560
I'm not sure I want to have a three story building in my backyard.

1206
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:26,560
There's going to be all kinds of different comments and attitudes and we have a talk to them about that.

1207
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,560
So, by not going out to the public for a new build, I agree.

1208
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,560
We should be doing that.

1209
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,560
If, indeed, we feel that the price to do something here is going to be ridiculous.

1210
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,560
So, understand that we haven't got just the cost of renovating here.

1211
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,560
We have the cost if we renovate or we build new.

1212
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,560
We still have to do something here.

1213
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,560
And here...

1214
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,560
Mary Ellen told me she was going to be retired before she ever moved out of this building.

1215
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,560
And I want her to have something new before she retires.

1216
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:02,560
So, I think it's very important for us to find out exactly what it is.

1217
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:08,560
The class A estimate, when they did the class A estimate on the Portland Hall, and when it was actually built,

1218
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,560
we had a lot of difference.

1219
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,560
It was almost a half a million dollars in savings.

1220
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,560
So, I'm thinking we have to get the actual price.

1221
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,560
And then, go from there.

1222
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:26,560
And, understand, our taxpayers don't want our taxes raised.

1223
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,560
They don't want to be paying a lot more in taxes.

1224
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:37,560
And if we go out and do another charge, Mahal, we will end up having a lot more taxes to be covered.

1225
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,560
So, I'm just thinking, let's be frugal.

1226
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:49,560
Let's do what's right and follow along in a professional and comprehensive and logical manner looking at this.

1227
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,560
That's it.

1228
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,560
This is good.

1229
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,560
Well, I'm frustrated.

1230
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,560
This can probably imagine.

1231
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,560
Well, I'm going to have my turn.

1232
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:59,560
Good.

1233
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,560
So, I'm sitting here and I'm listening to everybody, right?

1234
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:07,560
I'm trying to really listen and understand exactly where everybody is coming from.

1235
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,560
So, number one, do we want a nice building?

1236
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:12,560
This is just a question.

1237
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,560
Do we want a nice new building or renovated building?

1238
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:24,560
Do we want a building to put our stuff in and to have our council meetings in?

1239
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,560
Yes or no?

1240
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:26,560
Yes.

1241
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:27,560
Okay.

1242
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:33,560
Number two, I hear a lot of I think I, I, I.

1243
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:42,560
Nobody once said, I want to know what the real price is so that I can do with right by the taxpayers money.

1244
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:53,560
You got to know and with, in the past, I had some experience with contracts for building roads,

1245
01:11:53,560 --> 01:12:00,560
like 36 highway going up over the mountain and they weren't just little party roads.

1246
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:11,560
So, people who get their class a thing, they have no, it's their word.

1247
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:16,560
When it comes right down to it, it's cut-through, cut-through.

1248
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,560
And they're going to try to get the most out of it and they're going to bang it up as much as it can.

1249
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:30,560
Or if somebody wants, has any pole with anybody else, then they pole favors, then they do things.

1250
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:31,560
I've seen it.

1251
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,560
I've been there.

1252
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,560
Watch that.

1253
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,560
Listen to them.

1254
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:35,560
In the count.

1255
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,560
And when they're talking, they'll open up there before they put in their tenders.

1256
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,560
There's kickbacks.

1257
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,560
There's everything else.

1258
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,560
So, to be able to, I'm not saying that some of these doing kickbacks.

1259
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,560
I'm saying in that there is, you got to know what the real price is.

1260
01:12:50,560 --> 01:13:01,560
And the only real price is, is to, we both, we all want an estimate for a new build somewhere else.

1261
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,560
I'm not against a new build.

1262
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:11,560
I just want what's the best bang for the taxpayers money, with the nicest place, the most economical place for it to be sitting.

1263
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,560
That's all that I've ever said.

1264
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:21,560
But it's like, it's like pulling teeth to try to move forward with this.

1265
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,560
So, what would happen?

1266
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:24,560
Just a question.

1267
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:30,560
What would happen if we got the same percentage on a new build somewhere else,

1268
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,560
that we have for this one now, and we set them both out the same time.

1269
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:41,560
And then we got to make a decision on that, whether the price or whatever.

1270
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:49,560
And then go for the one that's the best deal for the people, not for us, for the people.

1271
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,560
Like, I don't see how it's such a big thing.

1272
01:13:53,560 --> 01:14:10,560
And, like, I have stopped to bring out a crown of her whiskey, so I could get in line with my don't drop.

1273
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:19,560
Okay, or else, you didn't get in line with your don't drop anything, so you had to suck up, suck up.

1274
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,560
I don't want any of this sucking around here with this.

1275
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,560
I want it to be fair, I want it to be transparent, and I want it to go forward.

1276
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,560
Like, we got to do something with this place, doesn't mean we're going to do it.

1277
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:38,560
Like, build a hair or do whatever, but we got to find out what it is.

1278
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,560
Like, and do what's best for the people.

1279
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:48,560
And if we have to have, you know, like, I don't know.

1280
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:56,560
I just, I'm just so kind of, like, we're not going to go nowhere as we were going.

1281
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,560
Like, why don't we just get boxing gloves on and take a roll?

1282
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,000
Like, you know, like, I know you're looking at me kind of funny, but that's basically what we're getting to. We're getting to be very juvenile about all of this. And I just want us to look at what's best for the taxpayer. That's what I was putting here to represent the people, not what I think should happen.

1283
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:53,500
So anyways, then that is my thing, and don't go twist around, but kickbacks and stuff, because I'm talking about past like, 40 years ago. Okay, not here to make this known, because I'm sick of people taking my words and twist them around, because if you want, like I'm saying it here, we've got to do something and we've got to move forward.

1284
01:15:53,500 --> 01:16:09,000
And we've got to put all our selfishness behind. And what we're so scared about all this, I do not know. So, and can I have everybody, because I'm here, can everybody have one more time of saying something, or is that against the big law?

1285
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:16,000
Is that you? Is it against the law? No, it's not. It is. It is against the by law?

1286
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:24,000
Yes. The procedure about that study from a household can speak twice, but the chair has a lot of to go.

1287
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Thank you.

1288
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000
I'm going to get and do you need me for doing?

1289
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:44,000
I guess I can take it. Well, I'm giving everybody an equal chance to have another word, because like it's, you know, I just want everybody to have a say and to get this finished.

1290
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:54,000
So, we'll do one more round, just one more, and I'll like, you get to say and once you're finished, you're finished.

1291
01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:02,000
Okay. So, seeing you in the new guy on the table.

1292
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,000
I'm the guy.

1293
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000
No, I'm just, yeah.

1294
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,000
Thank you.

1295
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,000
I try to make it, like, not so serious, but anyways.

1296
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:19,000
I just wanted to start by saying, I agree with what you had to say in terms of where we want to get to, in terms of being able to hear what people have to say about this.

1297
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:28,000
So, I think that's where, I mean, we have these 99% drawings that we can take to the public, but we need to be able to present them against a backdrop of what a new bill is going to look like.

1298
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:34,000
And I think if we can get to that, that to the 99% stage, we can take that to the public and say, what do you prefer?

1299
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:44,000
And I mean, if the public prefers doing this, well, then we've allowed the public to give their feedback, and I think we would have to take that into consideration whether I personally agree with that or not.

1300
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,000
I think that it's going to be up to the public in the end as to where we go with this.

1301
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:59,000
I did want to add to some of what Councillor Dunfield had to say in terms of what we do with this facility, if we go to a new location, and I think we need to keep in mind, if we just renovate here,

1302
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:04,000
then we are not using this facility as storage or archive or public works space.

1303
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:09,000
So, we are not going to have that extra square footage of space if we build and renovate here.

1304
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:22,000
If we build somewhere new somewhere else, this place is now vacant, whatever money we spend to make this into storage and public works is a new investment in this facility to give us more square footage of space.

1305
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:37,000
So, if we really wanted to compare, let's say we are building new somewhere else and renovating this, if we wanted to compare what that price is all together with a renovation here and adding that new square footage is any build somewhere else,

1306
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:47,000
that's a whole new can of worms we have to open, and we building a new garage and storage facility somewhere else, that's a similar square footage to this building to go along with the renovation here.

1307
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Because that's the option we would have if we go somewhere else, if we go somewhere else, this building is empty, we could renovate it, and we also have all of this extra square footage for public works and storage.

1308
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,000
If we renovate here, you do not have that option.

1309
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:08,000
We have to look at building new somewhere else if we did want that, because I don't believe this far as anywhere, but I based on the 90% of our experience here to be much more space here to add up.

1310
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:14,000
In regards to this, even if there was, that still a cost of building that much new square footage.

1311
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
So I just want people to keep that in mind.

1312
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
4.5 million dollars is renovating this building.

1313
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,000
The most of us keep it as it is, and add an additional to make more space for you.

1314
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,000
So not as it is, adding office onto here and renovating this space.

1315
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:33,000
Building somewhere new is going to get you what we need for a new facility that we could extend on in the future.

1316
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:38,000
And then the meantime leaves us with the opportunity to do something here if we so desire.

1317
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,000
If we find out that the cost of renovating this to be public works, garage and storage is more than Council wishes to spend.

1318
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Well, we can choose not to go down that road and look at new options down the road.

1319
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:56,000
But in the meantime, if it is the desire of Council as a whole to see this renovated, we have that option available to us, whether it's a 500,000 or a million dollars.

1320
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,000
It's an option we won't have if we renovate this as it is.

1321
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,000
So thank you.

1322
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Appreciate it.

1323
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,000
Okay.

1324
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Okay.

1325
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
Councillor Davis.

1326
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Well, I think this is to override the view of the July Council meeting.

1327
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,000
The Conservatory by a lot of July and Mayor's already stated that he will not allow the

1328
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,000
Chantry Office to go to attend or to be renovated.

1329
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,000
And that's a false statement because we're just looking for the price.

1330
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,000
For us to add onto this building, we're adding 4200 square feet.

1331
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,000
We've seen, and I can council block, you have not seen the reports and the stuff that we've done.

1332
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,000
I know you're new to this.

1333
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,000
For us to do this, it will probably if we do do the renovation.

1334
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,000
This would serve our needs for another 50 years.

1335
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:44,000
The architect is already decided and told us that the buildings and the shapes that we can do that.

1336
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:49,000
And I don't know why they only build for 50 years, but we need to straighten that out.

1337
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:55,000
So the motion to do a new build, like Councillor Volcker said,

1338
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,000
and do the renovation of Chantry at the same time.

1339
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,000
The mayor's already vetoed that motion.

1340
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,000
So we have to deal with that.

1341
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,000
So this is not what we're trying to do.

1342
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,000
We're trying to get a cost.

1343
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:11,000
And if we do go to a new build, and we do have the price of this when we have all the diagrams,

1344
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,000
is that going to be allowed to go to the tender for the two of them?

1345
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:20,000
You cannot, and you say this again, you cannot go away what the architect said.

1346
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,000
Because we sat in this room.

1347
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:26,000
They're putting porcelain tile down for $27 square foot in auto watts, $20 square foot.

1348
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:31,000
They talked about digging a ditch from here to the building, from the road to the building for the hydro of $50,000.

1349
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,000
That's craziness.

1350
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,000
The ditch is already there.

1351
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,000
Why wouldn't you use the ditch to sare for the hydro?

1352
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,000
It's underground.

1353
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:42,000
So there's a lot of things that we're in that building that I love that on those plans that seem to be.

1354
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,000
And the council, it looks like it's been patterned.

1355
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,000
But let's get the real price.

1356
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,000
Does it hurt?

1357
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,000
People live there.

1358
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,000
All the companies out there right now know that we probably won't build.

1359
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,000
So they don't build?

1360
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,000
Well, somethings.

1361
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,000
It's...

1362
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,000
I said we have to make sure it's not.

1363
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,000
Yeah, I think it's been patterned.

1364
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,000
I think that they got the estimates way to make too hard.

1365
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,000
But at least let's find out what the cost is going to be.

1366
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,000
And people out there that are going to build the contractors.

1367
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,000
If they know we're not going to build, build, they won't build.

1368
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,000
And if we don't get any build, then I'm fine with that.

1369
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,000
It doesn't cost us anything to listen to.

1370
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Maybe just a bit of advertising a few hundred dollars.

1371
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,000
So I think it's ridiculous that we keep this from the public.

1372
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:28,000
I agree with Councillor Dunfield that we have to have both options on the table.

1373
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,000
And we have to show the people that we're trying to be through.

1374
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,000
We'll go through the best box.

1375
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,000
So that's paying for the box.

1376
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,000
Okay.

1377
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,000
You done?

1378
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,000
Yeah.

1379
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,000
Councillor Hall of Fame.

1380
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,000
Thank you.

1381
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,000
I've definitely been.

1382
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,000
To me, this motion wasn't about sending the chantry office to tender.

1383
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,000
Because I really don't care if it goes to tender.

1384
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,000
I will be unhappy.

1385
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,000
I was unhappy to see the mayor moving the July 7th meeting.

1386
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Because I have a feeling he's going to be to let.

1387
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,000
And that's the one that I really do wish could go full board.

1388
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Because it is comparing what that's said to the 90% drawings of both.

1389
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:13,000
What this motion about is for me is the misuse of strong mayor powers.

1390
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,000
The mayor used categorically false statements.

1391
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:24,000
In his veto that we've already debunked from the first veto where he categorically said

1392
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Steve Clark supported it and that wasn't true.

1393
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:33,000
So by not, by letting this veto go through with this false information in it.

1394
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:39,000
When we, everyone that attended the closed meeting knows it's false.

1395
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:44,000
To me, that's supporting strong mayor powers in the worst way.

1396
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:51,000
So I don't care if someone puts a motion forward after this to not send the chantry office to tender

1397
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,000
because I'll support that.

1398
01:23:53,000 --> 01:24:02,000
This veto is the epiphany or whatever word of the improper use of strong mayor powers.

1399
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:10,000
It has categorically false and debunked from our attorney Tony Fleming.

1400
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000
Information.

1401
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:20,000
And instead of finding new provincial priorities, they were copying pasted from the first veto after they were debunked.

1402
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
And that's what bothers me.

1403
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:30,000
So I'm hoping the people that said they do not support strong mayor powers seize this from what it is.

1404
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,000
It is an attempt to stop the public and council from getting information.

1405
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,000
That's all it is.

1406
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,000
It's a misuse of strong mayor powers.

1407
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:46,000
So I'm hoping that the people that say they don't support strong mayor powers support this.

1408
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:54,000
And then hopefully the July 7th, where we're sending both to tender at the same time, will not be vetoed.

1409
01:24:54,000 --> 01:25:00,000
But if it is, I will be getting illegal opinion on that one as well.

1410
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:11,000
Yeah, um, I would, if you would, councilor, if you would say you're two cents worth.

1411
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,000
And of what you.

1412
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Well, I don't want everybody like to say it.

1413
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:25,000
The first time that also say this building and property has nothing to do with whether we renovate guests or we build a new.

1414
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,000
Because it is building new and this is a certain piece of property.

1415
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,000
With a building on.

1416
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000
If it's valuable enough, it will need it for the country.

1417
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,000
Equipment or workplace.

1418
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,000
For that plus in archives.

1419
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Then okay, that's a separate cost.

1420
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,000
Otherwise, we'd actually, we'd sell it and turn it towards a new building.

1421
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
That we don't have the use for it.

1422
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,000
And the construction companies would be glad to get it.

1423
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,000
So, I don't think you should put the two together.

1424
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,000
It's either a new building or renovate this one.

1425
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:09,000
Okay, and then it'll all be up to the cost, but don't add in the cost of this building.

1426
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,000
You're renovated when it's what you need it.

1427
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,000
And it'll be needed, but it'll be paid out from.

1428
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,000
But if we don't need this building.

1429
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Unless we're going to start brand new.

1430
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,000
With the price and archives.

1431
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,000
And we don't use Pinden.

1432
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000
So.

1433
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,000
So that's it.

1434
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,000
When did we decide what we're going to do with this building?

1435
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,000
I don't think that would happen.

1436
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,000
We haven't decided anything about this.

1437
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,000
So how can you say we're going to do this?

1438
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,000
Because it's like, no one said anything.

1439
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,000
So.

1440
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,000
So, like we've heard, it's going to be a crash.

1441
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,000
No, it's going to be archives.

1442
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,000
No, it's going to be torn now.

1443
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,000
No, but I'm not torn down.

1444
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,000
But like it's beyond knowing.

1445
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,000
It's driving me crazy.

1446
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,000
Somebody tell me what to do.

1447
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,000
Or what.

1448
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,000
They're doing.

1449
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,000
Um.

1450
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,000
Councillor.

1451
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,000
Thank you.

1452
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,000
Thank you.

1453
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,000
Madam chair.

1454
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,000
I think we should call the road.

1455
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,000
Okay.

1456
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,000
I just want to ask.

1457
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,000
In honor of you.

1458
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,000
Mr. Mayor.

1459
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,000
You have something you want to say.

1460
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000
I'm not going to repeat your arguments.

1461
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,000
I have a lot of statements in my view of our inaccurate.

1462
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,000
One of the things that I would try to correct is the fact that there's suggesting that there's

1463
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,000
a million dollars cost to benefit this to an archive of scratch.

1464
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,000
The number we received from our engineer of architects was have none.

1465
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:39,000
So I'm not sure why people would suggest that we need to double that number.

1466
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,000
So, you know, I'm not.

1467
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,000
I'm not a building contractor.

1468
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,000
I don't know what those costs would be.

1469
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,000
It was cost would depend on what we end up deciding to do.

1470
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,000
And there's other people who mentioned to.

1471
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,000
We don't yet know 100% what we're planning to do.

1472
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,000
But we give not the engineer architect really on.

1473
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,000
No.

1474
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,000
That one of the options was an archive.

1475
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:03,000
And to convert a portion of the building back into the base.

1476
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,000
And there estimate at that time was half a million dollars.

1477
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,000
So that's the number we should be using.

1478
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Not one million dollars or more.

1479
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,000
So that's my comment.

1480
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,000
Okay.

1481
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,000
Can I ask you the real price?

1482
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,000
We would all know what the real price is.

1483
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,000
That's all.

1484
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,000
And I think we should call the vote.

1485
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,000
Yeah.

1486
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,000
We're going to call the vote.

1487
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
So, is it just going to be a vote?

1488
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,000
Or is it going to be a...

1489
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,000
Yes.

1490
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,000
Yes.

1491
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,000
We'll record a vote.

1492
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Okay.

1493
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Go ahead.

1494
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,000
Thank you.

1495
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,000
Councilor Jeff Banks.

1496
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,000
Yes.

1497
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,000
Councilor Paula Banks.

1498
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,000
Yes, please.

1499
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Councilor Carter.

1500
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,000
Yes.

1501
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,000
Councilor Paula.

1502
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,000
No.

1503
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,000
Councilor Gunn is guilty.

1504
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,000
Yes.

1505
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,000
Councilor Paula?

1506
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,000
No.

1507
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,000
Deputy Mayor Hutchings?

1508
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,000
Yes.

1509
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,000
Mayor.

1510
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000
No.

1511
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,000
I'd love to be here to give you a stand.

1512
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,000
I'm sorry.

1513
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,000
Okay.

1514
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,000
That's all we need to say.

1515
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,000
I'll talk to you again.

1516
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,000
I'll talk to you again.

1517
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Thank you.

1518
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,000
Thank you.

1519
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,000
Thank you.

1520
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,000
Thank you.

1521
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:15,000
Okay.

1522
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,000
Thank you.

1523
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,000
Thank you.

1524
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,000
Thank you.

1525
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,000
This is a question.

1526
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,000
Yes.

1527
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:33,000
This is a request for information to support submission on bill 9 and integrity commissioner framework.

1528
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,000
So, I have a blue by Councillor Paula Banks.

1529
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,000
I need a second to put this on a floor.

1530
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,000
Councilor Linda Carter.

1531
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:53,000
Where's the time for relates to preparing submission to the standing committee on heritage infrastructure and cultural policy regarding bill 9 and municipal accountability act.

1532
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,000
2025.

1533
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,000
And where's the time to pass it?

1534
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,000
Experience 17 and integrity commissioner.

1535
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000
I see complaints raising concerns.

1536
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,000
About the current framework on the need for reform. Now, there for bidres all the council direct staff to go out of detail, break down the cost, incurred for each of the 17 icy investigations by August 9th.

1537
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:26,000
And further, that council of all of Acts prepare a summary of each complaint, including the date, general nature, outcome and duration, along with commentary, supporting the council to call for legislative reform and independent oversight.

1538
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:37,000
And further, that the completed report is submitted to the August 11th MSC meeting for council review prior to submission to the Standing Committee by the August 18th deadline.

1539
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,000
For the motion discussion.

1540
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,000
Council of all of Acts, please.

1541
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,000
This is in response to a couple of things.

1542
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:54,000
The first one would be your staff directive to release raw integrity commissioner data during the buy election.

1543
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:03,000
President and several of us counselors had warned you in emails, but released a raw integrity commissioner data,

1544
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:10,000
without even findings of guilt and innocence would be used to target sitting counselors and possibly candidates in our election.

1545
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:17,000
And that was ultimately how it was used within hours and days of it being released.

1546
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:31,000
And the other issue is that we have contacted a Rob Flack and people that attended Roma are well aware that the majority of this council feels the integrity commissioner.

1547
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,000
Process has been misused in read-alikes.

1548
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:38,000
We've had incidents where we have staff investigating counselors.

1549
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:43,000
We had incidents where councils have investigated other counselors.

1550
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:49,000
We spent $17,000 in the last term investigating counselor busy.

1551
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:53,000
Basically because she said wow and called recorded votes.

1552
01:31:53,000 --> 01:32:10,000
We spent $16,000 investigating the majority of council because we turned our back on a delegation that has printed faults and defaming information about the majority of council.

1553
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:16,000
And in all of those 11 coordinated I.C. investigations.

1554
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:24,000
The one thing that came across in every single one was error unwillingness to build a new office.

1555
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:33,000
So, with speaking to Steve Clark, the Angotsman Ministry of Natural Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing,

1556
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:41,000
they all felt that the best approach would be to contact the Angotsman office with the confidential information.

1557
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:47,000
And that we should make a submission to the bill line for the August 18 deadline.

1558
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:59,000
Steve Clark said that it cannot contain confidential information, but it can contain all of the other issues that concern this council.

1559
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:05,000
The reason for the costings, so I asked for a couple a guess a week ago.

1560
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,000
And I was told I needed to put it in a motion.

1561
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:19,000
So, I guess we don't need the cost for August 11 as long as I could get it for the 17th in order to submit it on the 18th.

1562
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,000
Thank you.

1563
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,000
Who else wishes to speak to this?

1564
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,000
Councillor Bullock.

1565
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,000
Thank you, Your Worship.

1566
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:34,000
I guess I just said one thing concerned was just that when it comes to preparing a summary and some commentary,

1567
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:41,000
maybe the best of that was based on advice from staff and with all of us being able to provide input.

1568
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,000
In no respect to Councillor Banks, I just wanted to come from one council.

1569
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:52,000
It would be better if it's coming from a collective approach and based on information provided to us from staff.

1570
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:59,000
In terms of there, you know, expert opinion on this process and if you can kind of run from there.

1571
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,000
I guess she's all in that.

1572
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,000
No, it was just that.

1573
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:12,000
My only concern was that if it's only coming from one of us, do we have an opportunity as a group to sort of agree that that's how we want to send this and how we approach it.

1574
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,000
That's why it's still on view, but just to follow up on the staff.

1575
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:25,000
I felt it was inappropriate to have staff to go through the technical issue reports to Deputy Mayor Hutchman's speech.

1576
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1577
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:32,000
I agree with this going forward because I have been part of the intact and I.

1578
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:40,000
It won't ever stop unless there comes to an in a professional and.

1579
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:49,000
I have, you know, it's our, our life, our reputation and everything.

1580
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:53,000
And I'm just glad that some of us have lived here so long.

1581
01:34:53,000 --> 01:35:02,000
Everybody truly knows us, but we, we've been, like, what happened with.

1582
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:11,000
I'm, Paul and Jeff, the, us to lose their pay when they weren't guilty.

1583
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,000
If it had went further, it was going to be me too.

1584
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:19,000
And I didn't do anything wrong, and I was found not guilty.

1585
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,000
So I take this very serious.

1586
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,000
And to ask unless you've sat in our shoes.

1587
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:34,000
And you have, you know, but it, it she wants, it's to be seen and talked about.

1588
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:42,000
But I'm just saying, I, I have never been a part of anything even in public school as well.

1589
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:46,000
I've been a part of here.

1590
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:51,000
I just spit on public school too.

1591
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,000
Thank you.

1592
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,000
Thank you.

1593
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,000
Yeah, I want this to go forward.

1594
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:01,000
During that past episode of March the third, we were charged for something we did not do.

1595
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:05,000
Well, we were found not guilty, and we were charged anyway.

1596
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:09,000
And I think that after three.

1597
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,000
I think that's the reason that you can't charge us for something we weren't guilty of.

1598
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:19,000
Didn't, didn't take any weight with the, with the majority of the voting part of that council.

1599
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:25,000
And then of course, then another week later, then you were specifically said that you can't charge somebody for something they didn't do.

1600
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,000
And they found not guilty of them.

1601
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:34,000
So I think it's pathetic that we had to go through that and press didn't cover it properly.

1602
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,000
And they refused to cover it properly.

1603
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:43,000
And that's a disgrace in this township because they're like Debbie says there's a lot of people that know who we are and what we do do.

1604
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:47,000
And it's taking the face of the people that tried to railroad this stuff through.

1605
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:51,000
So let's get it to the standing committee and hopefully.

1606
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,000
I, you know, I say hopefully, but I know nothing's probably going to happen.

1607
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,000
But I'm going to vote for it anyway.

1608
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,000
I'm supportive.

1609
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,000
And as for input.

1610
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,000
I think council having input into it.

1611
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:06,000
I think the review of the integrity commission's complaints and that should be in front of the minister.

1612
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,000
And our MPP also.

1613
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,000
Okay.

1614
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,000
And what else?

1615
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,000
If you're in politics second time.

1616
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:25,000
I would just like to mention that this was the door was opened with the staff directive.

1617
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:37,000
To do this research and the unwillingness to even add guilt or innocence knowing that this council found us guilty of things we were found innocent of.

1618
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,000
So they were willing to spread that out in the public.

1619
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:50,000
And the mayor even weeks later went to the press claiming that he didn't understand why we're upset.

1620
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,000
And that we could have gotten a lot worse.

1621
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:59,000
I'm not sure how worse you can get when you're found innocent and they tried it while they're not trying it.

1622
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,000
They take 45 days pay.

1623
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:14,000
So if people are wondering why there's so many integrity commissioner reports and why my guess it's going to cost us around a hundred thousand dollars under.

1624
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,000
Mayor Hookman.

1625
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:23,000
My guess is when they look at things a lot of these.

1626
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:34,000
Like five of the 11 that were filed against the majority of council contained information that I said in a closed meeting.

1627
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,000
And that is the only place that I said it.

1628
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:47,000
So if people want to know why so much money is spent on integrity commissioner reports and reto likes.

1629
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:52,000
I firmly believe and so do a lot of other people now.

1630
01:38:52,000 --> 01:39:03,000
If you oppose or if you support retrofitting this child building in any way you're targeted.

1631
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:16,000
Sixteen thousand dollars because the majority of us got frustrated and turned our back on a delegation that again has spread false information about us.

1632
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:21,000
They claim we broke the municipality which we did not.

1633
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:27,000
As far as I know this council, well I shouldn't say this council is the majority.

1634
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,000
The five of us did not break the municipality.

1635
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:39,000
But yet this delegation has on their Facebook page and their website that we did break the municipality.

1636
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:50,000
So we were investigated for turning our back on a delegation of people that spew this false information on what would have happened.

1637
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:56,000
And it came from a closed meeting five of those investigations.

1638
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:01,000
So if taxpayers are frustrated, so are we.

1639
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,000
And we don't know how else to put an end to this.

1640
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:12,000
But other than to make it public that these are being used as political weapons.

1641
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:17,000
Like I believe that firmly believe it was used against council and car.

1642
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:24,000
And I will to the day I do not sit at this table that it was a vendetta against women.

1643
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:32,000
And it is a vendetta against Jeff and myself and the majority of council.

1644
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:36,000
And the taxpayers and footed the bill for almost.

1645
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:43,000
I'm going to guess a hundred thousand dollars and read a links for people that opposed building a new office.

1646
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,000
And that's why I would like to get the accurate figures.

1647
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,000
So we can be transparent.

1648
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,000
Thank you.

1649
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,000
Councillor Bullock.

1650
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,000
I believe a second time.

1651
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,000
Thank you.

1652
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,000
Yeah.

1653
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,000
So it is both that you may are hatchings and councilors banks have noted.

1654
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:07,000
Of course I haven't been here and experienced this as a member of council in going through these processes.

1655
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,000
And I can appreciate that there's.

1656
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,000
You know a significant amount of.

1657
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,000
Personal concern with how this this process is working.

1658
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,000
My perspective or my what.

1659
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:22,000
Thoughts weren't to under one what you were saying council remains.

1660
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,000
It was more to add.

1661
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,000
The context of is is there.

1662
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,000
Staff perspective on if we're going to as a township submit.

1663
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:35,000
Comments on on this on the amendments that are coming to the.

1664
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,000
I see.

1665
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,000
System.

1666
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:43,000
Are there concerns that staff have that they want to see included in any kind of submission.

1667
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,000
Is there any kind of thoughts of how this process works.

1668
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,000
That are outside of the.

1669
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,000
The personal experience of of of councilors.

1670
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,000
Is there is there other things that need to be included in this.

1671
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:00,000
In this submission that that's all I was looking to see is there other things that we could.

1672
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,000
Could ask if there's not there's not and that's that's fine.

1673
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,000
I just I was wondering if there's something.

1674
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,000
I'm sorry, but the answer.

1675
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,000
No.

1676
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,000
He's asking me a question.

1677
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,000
I'm going to answer please.

1678
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,000
You asked you a question.

1679
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:12,000
Yes.

1680
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,000
What's your question?

1681
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,000
If there's.

1682
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
Sorry.

1683
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,000
Can I answer.

1684
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,000
I'm sorry.

1685
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,000
My question was more just in terms of it's anything beyond.

1686
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
What is what it's here.

1687
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,000
Okay.

1688
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,000
Okay.

1689
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,000
If you're unalctic.

1690
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,000
Can I answer.

1691
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,000
Go ahead.

1692
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,000
We had.

1693
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:29,000
Put motion forward.

1694
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,000
That if there was ever a break.

1695
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:41,000
In investigations that we would like the integrity commissioner to come and sit with staff and us to come up with the new procedure by law.

1696
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:46,000
Code of conduct and submit with her.

1697
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,000
The problem is there haven't been there hasn't been a break.

1698
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,000
In investigations.

1699
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:57,000
We have been under investigation since August.

1700
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,000
I don't agree.

1701
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:00,000
Twenty three.

1702
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:01,000
Twenty three.

1703
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:02,000
Twenty three.

1704
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,000
So if there's ever a break.

1705
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:12,000
There is a motion that asks the integrity commissioner to sit with council and staff to come up with the way to debacle exercise and.

1706
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,000
May.

1707
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,000
Changes to make the system.

1708
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,000
Okay.

1709
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,000
Quick.

1710
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,000
Just a very.

1711
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,000
Follow.

1712
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,000
And then we're going to go on.

1713
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:26,000
Thank you.

1714
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:32,000
I guess there's some very specific things that are in the changes that are coming in the legislation perhaps that we may want to comment on that.

1715
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,000
That's again, that's kind of where I was getting out.

1716
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:39,000
If there's specific things the staff want to have a dress that we should be submitting is what I'd like to see.

1717
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:40,000
Thank you.

1718
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,000
Thank you.

1719
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,000
I welcome that.

1720
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,000
Deputy Mayor.

1721
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,000
Audrons.

1722
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:45,000
Making a.

1723
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,000
I would say the I see system.

1724
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,000
It's totally broken.

1725
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,000
And I don't know.

1726
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,000
I don't know.

1727
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,000
Like it kind of.

1728
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:56,000
I don't know.

1729
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,000
How.

1730
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,000
How.

1731
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,000
Some of these.

1732
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:05,000
Investigations come to the conclusions and they come to you sometimes.

1733
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:06,000
So.

1734
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,000
So.

1735
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:08,000
I.

1736
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,000
I.

1737
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,000
I.

1738
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,000
I.

1739
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,000
I.

1740
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,000
I.

1741
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:16,000
I.

1742
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,000
So.

1743
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:18,000
It's broke.

1744
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,000
It's broke.

1745
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,000
Let's take it out behind the branching.

1746
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:22,000
Drunk.

1747
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,000
Like.

1748
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,000
I.

1749
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:25,000
The I.

1750
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,000
It.

1751
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,000
It.

1752
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:28,000
The.

1753
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,000
The.

1754
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:30,000
The.

1755
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:31,000
The.

1756
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,000
The.

1757
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,000
The.

1758
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,000
The.

1759
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,000
The.

1760
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,000
The.

1761
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,000
The.

1762
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,000
The.

1763
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,000
The.

1764
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:40,000
The.

1765
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,000
The.

1766
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:42,000
The.

1767
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,000
The.

1768
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,000
The.

1769
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,000
The.

1770
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,000
They say.

1771
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:50,000
That's well.

1772
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,000
Thank you.

1773
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:52,000
Uh.

1774
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,000
Uh.

1775
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,000
Uh.

1776
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,000
I think they submission on of I agreed with to the.

1777
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,000
With the.

1778
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:07,020
Ex

1779
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:16,000
I think that some of the statements that have been made around this motion, I would consider to be questionable.

1780
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:23,000
And any submission that we put forward, any submission that we put forward is not going to be unanimously supported by this council.

1781
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:31,000
Because people are very opinion on what is required to fix the integrity commissioner system.

1782
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:39,000
So I think that I think submission should be either staff, generated or individual or both.

1783
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:46,000
The problem is going to be that I have this motion as a fourth paragraph. I don't think it's a appropriate role for any councilor.

1784
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:53,000
I've heard a summary of each complaint, because clearly, based a lot of heard, that summary would be very biased.

1785
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:58,000
Whereas if it came from staff, it could be independent and it could state the facts.

1786
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:02,000
So guilty. I'm sorry. I have a floor.

1787
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,000
Your directive was biased, got guilty.

1788
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,000
That's your opinion, and that's not my opinion. Thank you very much.

1789
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:18,000
So I will not be supporting this motion, because I think that it puts an inappropriate role on an elected official.

1790
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:32,000
And for us to scramble around and provide this to staff and ask them to come back within 10 days with a package that they think council might support or that more than council would support.

1791
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000
Not asking staff to do anything but provide pricing.

1792
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:40,000
Well, I'm sorry. I'm reading the motion. The motion requires us to do a lot of things.

1793
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,000
No. You're saying the only thing in the councilor.

1794
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,000
Councilor Paula Banks, but I have the floor.

1795
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,000
Please respect the chair.

1796
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:53,000
If you will not respect the chair, then I will not acknowledge your ability to speak to the issue.

1797
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,000
Okay. I get everybody the opportunity to speak multiple times to the issue.

1798
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:02,000
I speak last to the issue, and now I'm prepared to suggest that we need to put this to a vote,

1799
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:05,000
because we cannot keep going in circles here.

1800
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,000
And I'll call for a court vote.

1801
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,000
I don't want to call the vote, please.

1802
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,000
Councilor Jeff Thanks.

1803
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,000
Of course, yes.

1804
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,000
Councilor Paula Banks. Yes.

1805
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,000
Councilor Paula.

1806
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:20,000
No.

1807
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,000
Councilor Car. Yes.

1808
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,000
Councilor Dunfield.

1809
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:26,000
Oh, definitely. Kiss kiss.

1810
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,000
Councilor Paula.

1811
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,000
No.

1812
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,000
Deputy Mayor Hutchings? Yes.

1813
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,000
I have a move.

1814
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000
Absolutely no.

1815
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,000
Motion's carried.

1816
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,000
And what is next?

1817
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,000
13.5.

1818
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:04,000
Okay. I have a mover at the Councilor Paula Banks.

1819
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,000
I have a seconder for this.

1820
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Councilor Jeff Thanks.

1821
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:14,000
Where a strong mayor's powers have been extended to 216 untrained

1822
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:18,000
municipalities with more expected by fall of 2025, and where a school

1823
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:22,000
of 130 municipalities are formally opposed these powers due to concerns over

1824
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:26,000
democratic accountability and local governments, and where is the voice

1825
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:33,000
coalition and hosting an open advocacy session at the 2025 Animal Conference of Monday,

1826
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:37,000
August 18 from 1 to 3 p.m. at Joey Rito in Ottawa.

1827
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,000
Now there are for big resolve.

1828
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,000
The Councilor relates to the Dorses and supports the voice event and encourages all

1829
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,000
Ontario municipalities to attend, and further that the attached invitation to

1830
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:51,000
the Senate law, with the resolution to all 444 Ontario municipalities, the

1831
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,000
Association of Municipalities of Ontario Animal and the Minister of Municipal Affairs and

1832
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,000
Housing.

1833
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:59,000
For the motion discussion.

1834
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,000
Councilor Paul Banks.

1835
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:06,000
As of yesterday, we're up to 131 municipalities that have passed options.

1836
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,000
And I have a copy of all those motions.

1837
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:16,000
I have now emailed the other 200 than some that are expected to get strong mayor

1838
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,000
power sometime in the fall.

1839
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,000
And I've gotten a couple of responses from them.

1840
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,000
They have passed motions, but because they don't have strong mayor

1841
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:28,000
powers yet, we haven't included them.

1842
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,000
Mark Hunter will be the keynote speaker.

1843
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:37,000
He has a lawyer and counselor from Stratford, and we possibly have another

1844
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:41,000
mayor to be a keynote speaker.

1845
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:52,000
I'm very happy with the resounding support that don't only cancel

1846
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,000
members, but mayors are sending.

1847
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,000
So I'm hoping that we haven't been turned out.

1848
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:03,000
And I would appreciate Council support on this and just a reminder that we are

1849
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,000
asked the motion that I could do some photocopying here.

1850
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,000
Okay, another discussion.

1851
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,000
Councilor Debt.

1852
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:18,000
I've heard of maybe two or three mayors within like a good hundred

1853
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:19,000
miles from here.

1854
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:23,000
They're using strong mayor powers and they're using them.

1855
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,000
And I don't want to understand what it is.

1856
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:29,000
I mean, we have to face the camera and say, Mr. Ford, you're not listening.

1857
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,000
And I don't want to know what else we have to say because he's not listening.

1858
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,000
People don't want it.

1859
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,000
You want it.

1860
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,000
We don't want it.

1861
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,000
It's a public don't want it.

1862
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:37,000
Nobody wants it.

1863
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,000
We're a democratic society.

1864
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,000
We were elected democratic.

1865
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,000
We all have a vote at this team.

1866
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,000
When one person can override everybody else's vote, then there's a problem.

1867
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:49,000
And I say, Mr. Ford, you're not listening.

1868
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:50,000
Please, listen.

1869
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,000
Nobody wants this.

1870
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,000
Along with a lot of other things.

1871
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,000
So I'm going to support this.

1872
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,000
Yeah.

1873
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,000
Anyone else wish to comment on this?

1874
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,000
Then I'll call the vote.

1875
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,000
Following the favor.

1876
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,000
I'll call it Benny.

1877
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,000
Motion is carried.

1878
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:21,000
Now, let's see.

1879
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,000
Again, I want readers' motion into the record.

1880
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:29,000
I would like to ask you a question.

1881
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,000
Do you have a question?

1882
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,000
Do you have a question?

1883
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,000
Please take a chair.

1884
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:38,000
Wait, number.

1885
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:39,000
Where are we at?

1886
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:40,000
I don't know.

1887
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:41,000
15.6.

1888
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:42,000
It's the non-confidence.

1889
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,000
We're going to go ahead.

1890
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,000
15.

1891
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:46,000
16.

1892
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,000
Not in your agenda package.

1893
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,000
No.

1894
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,000
It was added.

1895
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:51,000
Thank you.

1896
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,000
Hold it on a corner for it.

1897
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
It's in the mirror.

1898
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,000
It's moved up.

1899
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,000
Council, a few days.

1900
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,000
Second, my hood.

1901
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:01,000
And a jacket.

1902
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:03,000
And I should put off.

1903
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:04,000
I'll take a look at it.

1904
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,000
And I forget to tie the back to you.

1905
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:24,000
Where is the mayor orio decision MD-2025-02-8?

1906
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:34,620
Issued on July 18th, 2025, contains multiple misstatements and misstantiated claims used to

1907
01:52:34,620 --> 01:52:41,620
justify the veto by law number 2825-94.

1908
01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:47,020
And whereas the mayor falsically claimed that council had not properly considered the offer

1909
01:52:47,020 --> 01:52:52,820
on the five-acre, personal, land, album, despite it being discussed in both open and closed

1910
01:52:52,820 --> 01:52:57,300
sessions, but the mayor doesn't fully aware.

1911
01:52:57,300 --> 01:53:03,300
And whereas the mayor continues to promote and mislead narratives about this property, presenting

1912
01:53:03,300 --> 01:53:10,380
it as the only viable option filed downpick claim or withholding important information, including

1913
01:53:10,380 --> 01:53:16,100
shifting conditions around the offer, such as the estimated cost of the MTO approved

1914
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:22,460
entrance off-highway 15 originally requested, and new demands shared only with council.

1915
01:53:22,460 --> 01:53:28,260
All of which should now be made public and include it in the future public meetings.

1916
01:53:28,260 --> 01:53:38,440
And whereas the mayor previously in the mayor orio decision MD-2025-01-8, containing some

1917
01:53:38,440 --> 01:53:44,540
of the same inadequate reasoning, falsely claimed support from MVP Steve Clark for heaps of strong

1918
01:53:44,540 --> 01:53:48,540
mayor powers and assertion later shown to be untrue.

1919
01:53:48,540 --> 01:53:54,780
And whereas the mayor continues to cite the township's debt load as justification for vetoes,

1920
01:53:54,780 --> 01:54:00,420
despite clear and public legal advice from the township's solicitor, Mr. Tony, for me,

1921
01:54:00,420 --> 01:54:08,540
that that levels do not constitute ballot grounds for veto under Section 284.11 of the Municipal

1922
01:54:08,540 --> 01:54:09,540
Act.

1923
01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:16,900
And whereas the mayor has refused to provide specifics, documentation or professional evaluations

1924
01:54:16,900 --> 01:54:23,420
to support his repeated claim that the Chantry Project Tendering process is flawed, despite

1925
01:54:23,420 --> 01:54:27,180
ongoing requests for clarification from council.

1926
01:54:27,180 --> 01:54:36,620
And whereas these beables are based on vague and unapproved assertions rather than online

1927
01:54:36,620 --> 01:54:43,860
with prescribed provincial priorities, thereby undermining the intended use of strong mayor's

1928
01:54:43,860 --> 01:54:44,860
powers.

1929
01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:52,620
And whereas the mayor's veto has effectively only blocked council and staff from assessing the

1930
01:54:52,620 --> 01:54:59,220
actual costs associated with the Chantry Municipal Office Renovation Project, information

1931
01:54:59,220 --> 01:55:05,460
that is fundamental to fulfilling council's legal responsibilities under Section 224 of the

1932
01:55:05,460 --> 01:55:06,620
Municipal Act.

1933
01:55:06,620 --> 01:55:14,900
2-001, including number one, ensuring accountability and transparency and decision-making.

1934
01:55:14,900 --> 01:55:21,900
Number two, maintain the financial integrity of the municipality and three, developing and evaluating

1935
01:55:21,900 --> 01:55:29,500
the municipalities policies and programs, and whereas council and staff cannot carry up

1936
01:55:29,500 --> 01:55:37,180
these statutory duties with their access to accurate and to only cost information.

1937
01:55:37,180 --> 01:55:43,180
And whereas the mayor's ongoing obstruction of this information under the guise of strong

1938
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:50,420
mayor of powers constitutes not only a misuse of authority, but also an unlawful and unauthorized

1939
01:55:50,420 --> 01:55:57,500
interference with council's legislative role representing a clear breach of both the

1940
01:55:57,500 --> 01:56:03,380
spirit and function of the Municipal Act 20-001.

1941
01:56:03,380 --> 01:56:10,500
And whereas strong mayor powers for granted by the province for the purpose of advancing a specific

1942
01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:16,900
provincial priorities, particularly housing and infrastructure, and not for bypassing

1943
01:56:16,900 --> 01:56:21,860
the council's oversight, misrepresenting the facts, for withholding critical financial

1944
01:56:21,860 --> 01:56:27,300
information necessary for transparent, responsible decision-making.

1945
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:38,700
And whereas the communal commitment, thank you, big word, pattern on this information, selective

1946
01:56:38,700 --> 01:56:45,700
disclosure, unsupported details and interference with council's access to vital information

1947
01:56:45,700 --> 01:56:51,060
reflects a clear pattern of bad faith, governance on the part of the mayor, contrary to both

1948
01:56:51,060 --> 01:56:56,100
the letter and intent of the municipal act and the democratic responsibilities of elected

1949
01:56:56,100 --> 01:56:57,100
office.

1950
01:56:57,100 --> 01:57:03,380
Now, therefore, be it resolved that the council would attach for real eggs, express emotion of non-confidence

1951
01:57:03,380 --> 01:57:08,860
and a mayor informally calls for immediate end to the misuse of strong mayor powers.

1952
01:57:08,860 --> 01:57:13,860
Any questions?

1953
01:57:13,860 --> 01:57:19,500
Okay, it was, you know, sir, Jeff, thanks first.

1954
01:57:19,500 --> 01:57:25,220
Yeah, I'm going to support this because there's continuing media tax against this, there's continuing

1955
01:57:25,220 --> 01:57:30,220
the tax on democracy and this township and the use of mayoral powers as my reason to support

1956
01:57:30,220 --> 01:57:31,220
this motion.

1957
01:57:31,220 --> 01:57:38,220
I'm going to read a quote from Abraham Lincoln, it says nearly all men can stand adversity, but

1958
01:57:38,220 --> 01:57:43,220
if you want to test a man's character, give him power, and that's the problem today.

1959
01:57:43,220 --> 01:57:45,220
And I'm going to support that.

1960
01:57:45,220 --> 01:57:47,220
You finished?

1961
01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:48,220
You finished?

1962
01:57:48,220 --> 01:57:49,220
You can't serve.

1963
01:57:49,220 --> 01:57:50,220
You can't serve.

1964
01:57:50,220 --> 01:57:51,220
How am I?

1965
01:57:51,220 --> 01:57:52,220
Please.

1966
01:57:52,220 --> 01:57:58,820
The reason I brought this no confidence, forward, was my frustration of reading about the free

1967
01:57:58,820 --> 01:58:02,220
held in property again.

1968
01:58:02,220 --> 01:58:07,220
It was false in the first veto and it is false now.

1969
01:58:07,220 --> 01:58:16,220
We have heard from this gentleman a varying counselor, what he wants, when he wants it, and we

1970
01:58:16,220 --> 01:58:20,420
have hatched this out in public meetings and enclosed meetings.

1971
01:58:20,420 --> 01:58:24,260
So to see this for a second time, it's really frustrating.

1972
01:58:24,260 --> 01:58:32,940
And then to see the debt there, it was literally a copy of paste of the first veto that the mayor

1973
01:58:32,940 --> 01:58:38,820
didn't have enough faith in, that he felt he needed to make the false statement, that not

1974
01:58:38,820 --> 01:58:44,740
only did Steve Clark support it in this specific instance that municipal affairs did.

1975
01:58:44,740 --> 01:58:51,380
So to have that, he had absolutely no faith in his own veto.

1976
01:58:51,380 --> 01:58:52,380
That's what it showed.

1977
01:58:52,380 --> 01:58:59,060
If you have to say someone else supports something, and it's based on a lie, that tells me you

1978
01:58:59,060 --> 01:59:05,060
have no faith in it, and then to see the copy and paste of the very same veto reasons that

1979
01:59:05,060 --> 01:59:13,660
do not tie into housing, that do not tie into valid reasons, and that aren't true, it's frustrating.

1980
01:59:13,660 --> 01:59:21,460
Then to go into the media and read these false comments about staff, council members, you know, it

1981
01:59:21,460 --> 01:59:22,860
is frustrating.

1982
01:59:22,860 --> 01:59:30,340
So every time I see a veto, or I see categorically false statements in the veto, or in the

1983
01:59:30,340 --> 01:59:36,140
media made by the mayor, I am going to bring forward an uncomfortable, because I don't want

1984
01:59:36,140 --> 01:59:39,060
to waste any more money on integrity commissioners.

1985
01:59:39,060 --> 01:59:47,580
And I have a staff to introduce the point of privilege, because it's frustrating as councillors.

1986
01:59:47,580 --> 01:59:51,420
The mayor just sat here and said to deputy mayor, if I'm going to be a type of attorney,

1987
01:59:51,420 --> 01:59:53,660
act, I'm going to defame myself.

1988
01:59:53,660 --> 01:59:56,620
He does not allow that opportunity for us.

1989
01:59:56,620 --> 01:59:59,940
He attacks us in the media, he attacks us at this table.

1990
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,000
And then he calls that he's going to have the last word. And it's frustrating, especially when those statements are categorically false.

1991
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:26,000
So, I do hope people support this. And again, it is a lot cheaper than hiring an integrity commissioner when the mayor consistently makes false comments, like idly closed information, information from a closed meeting.

1992
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:36,000
Or as on July the 14th, when he accused all accounts of illegal activity, if we pass a motion that he didn't support.

1993
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:46,000
So, to see that out in the public, or again, to hear him say to the media, why don't understand why the banks is upset?

1994
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:58,000
And you took 45 days, okay. But then you said, we were lucky, because you would have taken a lot more if you had to do it over.

1995
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:08,000
So, if you wonder why you're getting on confidence, false? It's not us attacking your reputation, it's your own behavior.

1996
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:17,000
And each time you go to the media, or each time you bring up categorically false statements here, we have no recourse.

1997
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:33,000
Our only recourse is to go to the integrity commissioner, have a non-confidence vote, or once staff had time to do the point of privilege, we can start using that. I don't know how else to stop these false statements.

1998
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:46,000
So, I hope council supports us. Okay, so anybody else? Okay. Mr. Mayor, please.

1999
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:54,000
Thank you, Madam Chair. This is the third time that this motion has been brought forward, like I said, probably passed again.

2000
02:01:54,000 --> 02:02:01,000
And I think that the intent here is to try to encourage me or convince me that I need to resign.

2001
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:09,000
And I have to say that the issue is the same, then the veto rationale is going to stay the same.

2002
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:16,000
And I want to stay categorically that in my view that the rationale is quite legitimate.

2003
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:24,000
And a vote of non-confidence has absolutely no legitimacy in a municipal setting. It's just, it's just personal.

2004
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:38,000
And I do not appreciate the lecture by another member of council, especially when they're busy pointing out all kinds of statements that I'm making false statements,

2005
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:43,000
but the false statements are also coming from council events on a regular basis.

2006
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:49,000
I'm not, I'm not going to get into that. I'm not more self-tapping.

2007
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:56,000
Well, you've been providing examples which are not correct. So that is the end of that discussion from my perspective.

2008
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:01,000
I'm going to turn the other cheek and let council do as it appears.

2009
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:07,000
Okay, you were asked one time if you would just say you're sorry.

2010
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:14,000
All of this wouldn't even go on if you would have been able to stay.

2011
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:18,000
That'd be, I'm not going to get into specifics, but I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

2012
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,000
Just what you just said. Just what you just said.

2013
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:25,000
But you just ran out. You said that it's a attack.

2014
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,000
It's an attack on me personally.

2015
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:29,000
Because you have to go.

2016
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,000
I have asked you to say sorry.

2017
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:36,000
So anyways.

2018
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:51,000
I don't know what else we can say to the mayor to show him that we have this pleasure with his comments and his videos and everything else.

2019
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:58,000
Any normal person would not want to take that kind of power into their own hands.

2020
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,000
I don't know what's going on with the conservative government.

2021
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:04,000
It's not right. It's just wrong.

2022
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:11,000
And I don't know what else to say to somebody that won't even listen or acknowledge that there's wrong doing going on.

2023
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:13,000
Like the removal of our hate.

2024
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:17,000
And that we benefited because there was a mistake me.

2025
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:20,000
I benefited because it got raped across the coals in the media.

2026
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:24,000
I don't know what else we have to say to say stop it.

2027
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,000
We're not happy here and the majority of council.

2028
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:31,000
And we still are the majority of council are not in favor of what is going on.

2029
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:34,000
And it doesn't matter if it's strong we are powers are not.

2030
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:35,000
The majority of council.

2031
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:41,000
We have just as many and even more support in the general public than the mayor does.

2032
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:45,000
So we can count up the votes and go through the whole process.

2033
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,000
If that's what we want to do.

2034
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:48,000
It's got to stop.

2035
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:49,000
I don't know what else we have to say.

2036
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:51,000
Look in the mirror and say I've done something wrong.

2037
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:52,000
I think I've done something wrong.

2038
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,000
People are telling me I've done something wrong.

2039
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,000
Please acknowledge it.

2040
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,000
I don't know what else we can say.

2041
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:02,000
So I'm still going to support this.

2042
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,000
We've done.

2043
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:08,000
I'll just like to make a final comment.

2044
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:16,000
Again, again, your behavior is what's ruining your reputation.

2045
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,000
We just bring it to light.

2046
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:21,000
You're the one constantly going to the media.

2047
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,000
I'll give you another example.

2048
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:26,000
Mary Ellen sent us all an email.

2049
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,000
August 17, 2023.

2050
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:35,000
After Mike specifically asked us not to speak about his resignation from this building.

2051
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,000
Mary Ellen has to send us an email.

2052
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,000
Well, the mayor's going to go on like it.

2053
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:40,000
He talked about it.

2054
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:43,000
That was you.

2055
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,000
That did that.

2056
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,000
That was your choice.

2057
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:52,000
Same as your choice to go on April 7 and vote against an apology that would have cleaned up.

2058
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:58,000
What you counseled Mike's will counseled Delaney and Councilor Paulard did by trying to take

2059
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,000
our money when we were innocent.

2060
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:04,000
You refused to apologize and you actually voted against it.

2061
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,000
And now you're upset.

2062
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,000
It doesn't seem to matter what we do.

2063
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,000
We're in the wrong.

2064
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:15,000
But all we're bringing to light is your behavior.

2065
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:19,000
And then you say, well, we say things about you, but you can't give an example.

2066
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:22,000
I say that you're a poor leader because you're a poor leader.

2067
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,000
And that's why I'm coming up.

2068
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:27,000
Okay.

2069
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,000
Okay.

2070
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:31,000
Okay.

2071
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:34,000
Okay.

2072
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,000
So.

2073
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:36,000
Thank you.

2074
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,000
Is it recording vote?

2075
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:38,000
Okay.

2076
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:39,000
Councillor Jeff.

2077
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:40,000
Thanks.

2078
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:41,000
The last one we recorded vote.

2079
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:42,000
I did.

2080
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:43,000
Yes.

2081
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:44,000
Councillor Paulard.

2082
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:45,000
Yes, please.

2083
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:46,000
Councillor Bullard.

2084
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:47,000
No.

2085
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:48,000
Councillor Carrard.

2086
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:49,000
Councillor Bunfield.

2087
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:50,000
Yes.

2088
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,000
Councillor Paulard.

2089
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,000
No.

2090
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,000
Did you hear the jinx?

2091
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:56,000
Yes.

2092
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:58,000
Maryland.

2093
02:06:58,000 --> 02:06:59,000
No.

2094
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:00,000
Okay.

2095
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,000
Okay.

2096
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:03,000
Thank you.

2097
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:04,000
Thank you.

2098
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:05,000
Thank you.

2099
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,000
Thank you.

2100
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:07,000
It's okay.

2101
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:08,000
It's okay.

2102
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,000
It's okay.

2103
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:10,000
It's okay.

2104
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:11,000
It's okay.

2105
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,000
It's okay.

2106
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:13,000
It's okay.

2107
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:14,000
It's okay.

2108
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,000
It's okay.

2109
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,000
It's okay.

2110
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:17,000
It's okay.

2111
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:18,000
It's okay.

2112
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:19,000
It's okay.

2113
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:20,000
It's okay.

2114
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:21,000
It's okay.

2115
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:22,000
It's okay.

2116
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:23,000
It's okay.

2117
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:24,000
It's okay.

2118
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:25,000
It's okay.

2119
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:26,000
It's okay.

2120
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:27,000
It's okay.

2121
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:28,000
It's okay.

2122
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:29,000
It's okay.

2123
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:30,000
It's okay.

2124
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:34,000
It turns on my mayor's report on July 24th.

2125
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:39,000
I attended Brockville the county council revenue meeting where we received our

2126
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:44,000
2024 audit statements which had no recommendations for improvement.

2127
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:47,000
Later that evening, I attended and helped open the Delta Fair.

2128
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:52,000
Congratulations to Liz Creed, the Delta citizen of the year.

2129
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:59,000
On Saturday July 26th, I attended a and spoke at the Lake Association AGMs.

2130
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:05,000
First, at the Honor Lake AGM, where I was the guest speaker and spoke on the importance of tourism to read the links.

2131
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:11,000
And that afternoon, I attended the Wolf Lake AGM and was obviously as well.

2132
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,000
On Sunday, July 27th.

2133
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:16,000
I participated in the Delta Fair parade.

2134
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:24,000
On Monday, July 28th, I accepted an invitation from the President of the Wolf Lake Association to actually tour the Lake Wolf Lake.

2135
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:30,000
That is one of the few lakes in our township that I've not had the opportunity to tour and it was quite interesting.

2136
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:41,000
On Friday, August 1st, I helped open the annual one-body fair and commended the many volunteers that make our rural fairs such a great family event.

2137
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:51,000
Questions from the media regarding agenda items?

2138
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:56,000
Good evening, your worship members at Council.

2139
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:59,000
Yeah, I do have just two very quick questions.

2140
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:04,000
I'm not sure who to address this to the CAOs left in the room.

2141
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,000
She just great, but addressed to me.

2142
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:10,000
I think the CAO needs to answer the move.

2143
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,000
Did we not have some line up here?

2144
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:16,000
In terms of the budget.

2145
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:19,000
On one line captures legal costs.

2146
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:21,000
Is that contract status?

2147
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:25,000
There are, every department has a budget line for a legal cost.

2148
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:29,000
So planning would have a budget line, a administration would have a budget line.

2149
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:31,000
Pressure would have a budget line.

2150
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:39,000
So it's a matter of all those numbers being torn up to get in and determining where those legal expenses have been paid to get in.

2151
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:43,000
And pay to get a true picture of all those costs.

2152
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:44,000
Thank you.

2153
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,000
Madam Clerk, if there's also no to add to that?

2154
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,000
There's also a budget line for other professional fees.

2155
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:50,000
So depending on what it was for.

2156
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,000
So there's set rate in different points on the budget department.

2157
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:54,000
Thank you.

2158
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:55,000
Thank you.

2159
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:59,000
Notice of motion in 14.1.

2160
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:05,000
Notice of serious allegations in terms of members of Council and voted against that.

2161
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,000
Notice of motion.

2162
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:10,000
Breach the municipal act under 2.1.

2163
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:11,000
Is that.

2164
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:16,000
Was that run by Township legal Council independently?

2165
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:17,000
I would ask.

2166
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:21,000
Just under a notice of motion 14.1.

2167
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:30,000
There's some serious allegations that were outlined in that motion in terms of Council.

2168
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,000
Members of Council have already gets that.

2169
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:36,000
It was noted they breached the municipal act under.

2170
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,000
I think section 2.2.5.

2171
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:39,000
Now I may be wrong.

2172
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:41,000
That was not reviewed by legal Council.

2173
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:43,000
It wasn't noted they breached.

2174
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,000
So it's possible.

2175
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:46,000
And that was the.

2176
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:47,000
I'd like to sign up.

2177
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,000
Not the Township legal Council.

2178
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:49,000
No.

2179
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,000
No.

2180
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,000
Not the Township.

2181
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:52,000
That was.

2182
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:53,000
That was the advice you got.

2183
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:55,000
But I'm just saying it doesn't say they breach.

2184
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,000
Yeah.

2185
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,000
I said in the motion it says it's possible breach.

2186
02:10:58,000 --> 02:10:59,000
And we have.

2187
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:00,000
Thank you.

2188
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,000
Thank you for clarifying that.

2189
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:03,000
My final question.

2190
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:07,000
And because I'm left somewhat confused.

2191
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:09,000
We're just not unusual.

2192
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,000
I had a clock.

2193
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:13,000
After meeting like this.

2194
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,000
What specifically under the motion that.

2195
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:20,000
That aligns the integrity commissioner is the information that will be coming forward.

2196
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:21,000
I understand costs.

2197
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:22,000
And that makes sense.

2198
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:26,000
But our actual incidents of the.

2199
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,000
Integrated commissioners report.

2200
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:29,000
Who in involves.

2201
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:32,000
And the details of that will not be part of the report.

2202
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:34,000
There's simply a dollar and sets.

2203
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:35,000
My.

2204
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:39,000
My understanding is the motion that Council passed would include some of that detail.

2205
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:41,000
And I believe that's the motion that.

2206
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:42,000
We're a counselor.

2207
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,000
Paul Banks was going to provide.

2208
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:45,000
That level of detail.

2209
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:46,000
And which.

2210
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:47,000
I injected.

2211
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:48,000
That.

2212
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:51,000
I think we passed motion that you can ask council.

2213
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:52,000
Question.

2214
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:53,000
Yes.

2215
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:54,000
I saw that.

2216
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:55,000
So basically.

2217
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:56,000
When.

2218
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:57,000
Now the motion was not asked to you.

2219
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:58,000
Council.

2220
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,000
Banks is the.

2221
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:00,000
Is the question being asked.

2222
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:03,000
The.

2223
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:06,000
I would ask that question off her.

2224
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:07,000
Thanks.

2225
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:12,000
The reason I brought the motion forward, what's when I spoke to Steve Clark about the misuse.

2226
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:18,000
The integrity commissioner systems and some of the complaints about the individual integrity commissioner.

2227
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,000
He said this approach.

2228
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:22,000
I counsel would be.

2229
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:27,000
He is on the told me about this and he gave me the deadline the simple to the C.A.

2230
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:35,760
I'm going to include who is investigated, the costs, what the original complaint was, what

2231
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:42,680
the outcome was, the timeline, because many of the investigators ignore our procedural

2232
02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:51,360
violence. Many of the past councils ignored our procedural violence. For example, Carolyn

2233
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:57,040
for Z was not dealt with at the next council meeting within seven days. It was decided

2234
02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:04,160
to bump it back so it would be an evening meeting. And that was not passed through a change

2235
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:10,000
of the procedural violence. Just to follow up, I could catch a rent. How do you ensure neutrality

2236
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:14,800
if you're doing all that work? How did the mayor ensure neutrality when you release

2237
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:21,440
grad data? I'm not, no, I'm just wondering how that's done. That's why that information

2238
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:26,560
be afforded to somebody to take a look at. Well, that's why I must be in council to review it.

2239
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:33,200
So, for example, if there's integrity commissioner reports on there about a specific council

2240
02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:38,240
and they want to change the wording, I'm fine with that. Thank you very much. Your worship

2241
02:13:38,240 --> 02:13:43,760
just to be clear, the information that I released was based on information strictly that I received

2242
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:47,760
from staff. Was there any information that I'm listening to?

2243
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:52,640
Okay. It did not include guilt or innocence. Thank you. Thank you. That's not part of what the

2244
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:57,520
question was. You remember thinking worship members council again, late 8 a.m. has mentioned

2245
02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:03,520
real news review here. Please take up the paper. All right. We know where like the questions from

2246
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:09,760
the public regarding agenda items. Do you see the written one? Yes. Did we see the written one?

2247
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:21,440
No, I have a copy of that. No need to know. Okay. We did it out loud. It's kind of a kind of

2248
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:28,400
lengthy, but it comes down to customs. Oh, colleagues, I have a point to say correspondence from Mr.

2249
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:37,120
Birdie? Yes. Okay. My response to that was simply that we asked staff to review for some of

2250
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:43,120
these issues that I don't feel comfortable trying to answer. If staff could review that and provide

2251
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:51,840
a written response, that would be an agenda item. I'd like to see the questions before staff respond.

2252
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:59,680
Okay. Seven and a seven days burial. Well, I'm trying to open it and it doesn't want to open now.

2253
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,000
Was it circulated? No, I think I saw it once before, but I don't know if I don't think you only indicated that you were going to put on your agenda.

2254
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:18,000
No, no. How did you see a busy schedule? I don't know. Just a minute. Just a minute.

2255
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:26,000
You got the money. 50 one a a n. You know what's on the money and I actually know this.

2256
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:30,000
Okay. Would you like me to read it?

2257
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:33,000
I don't know, it's a lie here at all.

2258
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:36,000
I hate the one staff responding to anything unless we've read it.

2259
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:37,000
Good.

2260
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:39,000
Okay.

2261
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:42,000
Mr. Mayor, I spoke to person for the late grassroots group.

2262
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:46,000
We have washed recently until I made his concerning the tantrum offices with interest.

2263
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:49,720
to the minutes from those meetings, we would like to submit this letter for questions to Council

2264
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:53,240
the regular Council meeting on August 5th, 2025.

2265
02:15:53,240 --> 02:15:58,400
Several Council members have repeatedly stated the cost for Chantry to be conferred back

2266
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:03,200
to a garage and into a township or archives center must be considered for any new build

2267
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:08,200
elsewhere, related to cost, qualified, call out, and Jeff Banks are stated to be in the range

2268
02:16:08,200 --> 02:16:09,200
of $1 million.

2269
02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:15,420
Yet, any level of detail on a, the garage and b, especially archives are missing from that

2270
02:16:15,420 --> 02:16:16,420
discussion.

2271
02:16:16,420 --> 02:16:23,240
Specific to the archives, we are assuming they are speaking one document archives and b artifact

2272
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:28,780
dark archives, as these are typically what municipality store in archives for both legal

2273
02:16:28,780 --> 02:16:30,820
and historical purposes.

2274
02:16:30,820 --> 02:16:35,020
These questions go to procedure and strategy, perhaps there is a by-law or township

2275
02:16:35,020 --> 02:16:39,820
procedures document that covers all these questions or perhaps not.

2276
02:16:39,820 --> 02:16:44,860
Where not no documents we are hoping for the Council to answer, where covered please identify

2277
02:16:44,860 --> 02:16:46,940
the reference documents.

2278
02:16:46,940 --> 02:16:52,620
So under one these are document archives, these are typically, which are class as public access

2279
02:16:52,620 --> 02:16:54,580
and controlled access.

2280
02:16:54,580 --> 02:16:59,620
What types of documents would be deemed as controlled access, what is the retention period for

2281
02:16:59,620 --> 02:17:04,860
each class, what are the plans, policies for public access, what are the site and access controls

2282
02:17:04,860 --> 02:17:11,140
for both classes, is there an intent to undertake a museum approach to some, all documents,

2283
02:17:11,140 --> 02:17:18,340
what is the township's digitization strategy, as relates to archives, so as to reduce physical

2284
02:17:18,340 --> 02:17:25,620
retention costs and increase accessibility, and then under artifact archives, which are covered

2285
02:17:25,620 --> 02:17:30,020
public artifacts and which are private, what is the purpose and intent of the retention of

2286
02:17:30,020 --> 02:17:34,580
these artifacts, what are the access controls and securities needed.

2287
02:17:34,580 --> 02:17:42,900
We presume that all of these questions have been answered in relation and answered in reasonable

2288
02:17:42,900 --> 02:17:50,420
detail, in order to come up with $1 million cost estimate for chantry to be returned to a garage

2289
02:17:50,420 --> 02:17:55,580
and archive site, hence we look forward to Council providing these details, the details are not available

2290
02:17:55,580 --> 02:18:00,820
we look forward to Council's efforts to define and create them with public consultation, but also

2291
02:18:00,820 --> 02:18:05,220
would then like to understand the basis by which Councilor Paul and Jeff Banks have come up with

2292
02:18:05,220 --> 02:18:11,020
the $1 million cost estimate, they have repeated regulatory for the chantry garage and archives,

2293
02:18:11,020 --> 02:18:13,220
thank you for your attention to this matter, Dan Birdie.

2294
02:18:13,220 --> 02:18:14,220
I would like to go first.

2295
02:18:14,220 --> 02:18:15,220
Okay.

2296
02:18:15,220 --> 02:18:16,220
No, go ahead.

2297
02:18:16,220 --> 02:18:17,220
I would like that to go ahead.

2298
02:18:17,220 --> 02:18:19,220
Is that the questions to the chair?

2299
02:18:19,220 --> 02:18:20,220
No, no.

2300
02:18:20,220 --> 02:18:21,220
Please ask me, Jeff and Paul Banks.

2301
02:18:21,220 --> 02:18:23,220
Did you just answer that?

2302
02:18:23,220 --> 02:18:25,220
Did you know?

2303
02:18:25,220 --> 02:18:26,220
Mr. Birdie.

2304
02:18:26,220 --> 02:18:28,220
The correspondence was directed to the chair.

2305
02:18:28,220 --> 02:18:29,220
Mr. Birdie.

2306
02:18:29,220 --> 02:18:31,420
That's Jeff and Paul Banks specific questions.

2307
02:18:31,420 --> 02:18:32,420
Can I answer them please?

2308
02:18:32,420 --> 02:18:36,420
Yes, but they need to call me in front of me.

2309
02:18:36,420 --> 02:18:37,420
Okay.

2310
02:18:37,420 --> 02:18:42,420
I think earlier we spoke about the $1 million versus the half a million dollars and I think there's

2311
02:18:42,420 --> 02:18:48,220
no level of detail as we've not decided to get exactly what we're going to be doing with this building

2312
02:18:48,220 --> 02:18:49,420
if we're not converting it.

2313
02:18:49,420 --> 02:18:50,420
So, it's premature.

2314
02:18:50,420 --> 02:18:52,420
I think some of these questions are premature.

2315
02:18:52,420 --> 02:18:57,820
The type of archives that we're looking at, I mean, this is, as I say, this is just something

2316
02:18:57,820 --> 02:19:04,420
that I think generally the staff might be capable of wanting a generic type of answer and

2317
02:19:04,420 --> 02:19:05,420
leave it at that.

2318
02:19:05,420 --> 02:19:09,420
Because I don't think we can get into that detail to the debate about what's type of archive.

2319
02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:12,500
Well, we haven't even decided if it's going to be in archive.

2320
02:19:12,500 --> 02:19:17,020
So, I would suggest that we need to leave it at that.

2321
02:19:17,020 --> 02:19:18,420
Those are my comments.

2322
02:19:18,420 --> 02:19:21,260
Councillor Paul Banks, you wish to comment on it.

2323
02:19:21,260 --> 02:19:26,700
Any questions when our types should go down that they are the professionals and they are

2324
02:19:26,700 --> 02:19:30,020
the ones that support an archive.

2325
02:19:30,020 --> 02:19:35,220
They have people working from all the different heritage committees.

2326
02:19:35,220 --> 02:19:40,540
I do believe that the best use for this building is a public archive and the way I come up

2327
02:19:40,540 --> 02:19:43,260
with the million dollars is through the reports.

2328
02:19:43,260 --> 02:19:45,940
I spoke to Chris.

2329
02:19:45,940 --> 02:19:50,420
He did say it was around $500,000 to convert it back to a garage.

2330
02:19:50,420 --> 02:19:56,020
That did not include all of the work set out in the report.

2331
02:19:56,020 --> 02:19:57,020
It is a report called.

2332
02:19:57,020 --> 02:19:58,020
Thank you.

2333
02:19:58,020 --> 02:19:59,020
Thank you.

2334
02:19:59,020 --> 02:20:00,020
Thank you.

2335
02:20:00,020 --> 02:20:06,340
It also did not include the new problems that we've had since the pension report done was done.

2336
02:20:06,340 --> 02:20:09,580
And I also sit on accessibility.

2337
02:20:09,580 --> 02:20:15,380
So as soon as we make this a public building and we start to renovate it, we have to make it accessible.

2338
02:20:15,380 --> 02:20:17,220
So that's how I come up with million dollars.

2339
02:20:17,220 --> 02:20:22,980
I have talked to that, thank you with people and they seem pretty fine with it.

2340
02:20:22,980 --> 02:20:34,040
Two years off said, in December 4, before 2022, that this building would be used for public

2341
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:40,900
works, waste disposal, recycling, and it staff would be left here.

2342
02:20:40,900 --> 02:20:44,140
So that must have been the plan from the last council.

2343
02:20:44,140 --> 02:20:48,580
So I'm assuming I don't know where all of the sudden that people are saying we're going to

2344
02:20:48,580 --> 02:20:52,940
sell it because that's been decided to no goal.

2345
02:20:52,940 --> 02:20:59,980
We have only ever talked about changing it to a garage or some other type of archive.

2346
02:20:59,980 --> 02:21:06,260
And that bill you know it figured was from staff, from reports.

2347
02:21:06,260 --> 02:21:12,420
So if Mr. Birdie needs further detail, you can attend the next public meeting that hopefully

2348
02:21:12,420 --> 02:21:19,620
will happen in the next month or so as long as you don't veto the July 7th minute.

2349
02:21:19,620 --> 02:21:20,620
Councilor Jeff, thanks.

2350
02:21:20,620 --> 02:21:21,620
You wish to comment on this as well.

2351
02:21:21,620 --> 02:21:26,900
Yes, the person that gave us a high level costing of redoing this bill in said in the working

2352
02:21:26,900 --> 02:21:32,740
group committee that Debbie, yourself, myself and Sue Dunfield, that it would be at least $500,000

2353
02:21:32,740 --> 02:21:34,740
to turn this back into a garage.

2354
02:21:34,740 --> 02:21:38,460
It was right in the minutes of that, well, it wasn't in the minutes, it was right at that

2355
02:21:38,460 --> 02:21:39,460
meaning.

2356
02:21:39,460 --> 02:21:45,060
Also when the pension report, there was $527,000 of high-metifiable things that need to be fixed.

2357
02:21:45,060 --> 02:21:46,540
That's outside of ideas.

2358
02:21:46,540 --> 02:21:50,460
There was no costing for an archive person or moisture control for the artifacts that are

2359
02:21:50,460 --> 02:21:54,420
going to be in this building that idea did not consult with.

2360
02:21:54,420 --> 02:21:57,340
There's a septic system fixed that needs to be done.

2361
02:21:57,340 --> 02:22:02,220
I think it was $25,000 that Steve said was going to be.

2362
02:22:02,220 --> 02:22:08,580
So we're at a bit about $1.1 million, so if that's a good enough answer for Mr. Birdie, we can actually

2363
02:22:08,580 --> 02:22:13,220
give him those numbers and four councillors can verify it.

2364
02:22:13,220 --> 02:22:15,220
All right.

2365
02:22:15,220 --> 02:22:22,100
I would just like to know why we're discussing it.

2366
02:22:22,100 --> 02:22:24,460
I brought this up a bit an hour ago.

2367
02:22:24,460 --> 02:22:26,700
We had no plans for this building.

2368
02:22:26,700 --> 02:22:27,700
And now here we are.

2369
02:22:27,700 --> 02:22:28,700
We're discussing something.

2370
02:22:28,700 --> 02:22:30,060
We don't even know what it's for.

2371
02:22:30,060 --> 02:22:32,300
This should be completely tabled and taken away.

2372
02:22:32,300 --> 02:22:33,300
I do understand.

2373
02:22:33,300 --> 02:22:37,300
And my response was that these questions are premature.

2374
02:22:37,300 --> 02:22:39,300
Well, we shouldn't even discuss it.

2375
02:22:39,300 --> 02:22:40,300
Well, there's nothing.

2376
02:22:40,300 --> 02:22:45,180
We haven't even discussed it there.

2377
02:22:45,180 --> 02:22:48,380
So why are we just, I don't understand this.

2378
02:22:48,380 --> 02:22:49,380
This is detail.

2379
02:22:49,380 --> 02:22:51,380
It isn't necessary yet.

2380
02:22:51,380 --> 02:22:53,020
I'm absolutely not a swan on your hand.

2381
02:22:53,020 --> 02:22:54,420
I'm going to call it another question.

2382
02:22:54,420 --> 02:22:56,420
No questions for Steve.

2383
02:22:56,420 --> 02:22:57,420
Okay.

2384
02:22:57,420 --> 02:23:00,580
We do have a closed meeting.

2385
02:23:00,580 --> 02:23:06,260
Now I do note that I have declared a conflict on one of these sets of minutes.

2386
02:23:06,260 --> 02:23:07,260
Was it 18.2?

2387
02:23:07,260 --> 02:23:08,260
Correct.

2388
02:23:08,260 --> 02:23:09,260
Okay.

2389
02:23:09,260 --> 02:23:15,140
I'm going to ask the 18.2 to be moved down to be after eight.

2390
02:23:15,140 --> 02:23:16,140
18.7.

2391
02:23:16,140 --> 02:23:22,100
So that I can really push the chair because I have a conflict on 18.8, 18.9 and I will

2392
02:23:22,100 --> 02:23:28,180
then leave the chair and the deputy mayor will assume the meeting.

2393
02:23:28,180 --> 02:23:33,580
So if that's acceptable to people, otherwise I go in and I come back in.

2394
02:23:33,580 --> 02:23:34,580
Okay.

2395
02:23:34,580 --> 02:23:38,580
So let's go to the court for a year.

2396
02:23:38,580 --> 02:23:39,580
Okay.

2397
02:23:39,580 --> 02:23:41,820
And then we go to the end of that first.

2398
02:23:41,820 --> 02:23:42,820
Thank you.

2399
02:23:42,820 --> 02:23:43,820
We need a break.

2400
02:23:43,820 --> 02:23:45,820
I was just going to suggest that.

2401
02:23:45,820 --> 02:23:46,820
Open the window.

2402
02:23:46,820 --> 02:23:47,820
Read the most in person.

2403
02:23:47,820 --> 02:23:48,820
Resolution?

2404
02:23:48,820 --> 02:23:49,820
Yes.

2405
02:23:49,820 --> 02:23:50,820
I have a move against the court.

2406
02:23:50,820 --> 02:23:51,820
Second of accounts are down here.

2407
02:23:51,820 --> 02:23:52,820
Be it resolved.

2408
02:23:52,820 --> 02:23:53,820
Accounts are in the preparation.

2409
02:23:53,820 --> 02:23:54,820
Accounts are ready.

2410
02:23:54,820 --> 02:23:55,820
Close the meeting end.

2411
02:23:55,820 --> 02:23:56,820
Eight.

2412
02:23:56,820 --> 02:23:57,820
Eight.

2413
02:23:57,820 --> 02:23:58,820
Eight.

2414
02:23:58,820 --> 02:23:59,820
Twenty.

2415
02:23:59,820 --> 02:24:00,820
Twenty.

2416
02:24:00,820 --> 02:24:01,820
Twenty.

2417
02:24:01,820 --> 02:24:02,820
Twenty.

2418
02:24:02,820 --> 02:24:03,820
Twenty.

2419
02:24:03,820 --> 02:24:04,820
Twenty.

2420
02:24:04,820 --> 02:24:05,820
Twenty.

2421
02:24:05,820 --> 02:24:06,820
Twenty.

2422
02:24:06,820 --> 02:24:07,820
Twenty.

2423
02:24:07,820 --> 02:24:08,820
Twenty.

2424
02:24:08,820 --> 02:24:09,820
Twenty.

2425
02:24:09,820 --> 02:24:10,820
Twenty.

2426
02:24:10,820 --> 02:24:11,820
Twenty.

2427
02:24:11,820 --> 02:24:12,820
Twenty.

2428
02:24:12,820 --> 02:24:13,820
Twenty.

2429
02:24:13,820 --> 02:24:14,820
Twenty.

2430
02:24:14,820 --> 02:24:15,820
Twenty.

2431
02:24:15,820 --> 02:24:16,820
Twenty.

2432
02:24:16,820 --> 02:24:17,820
Twenty.

2433
02:24:17,820 --> 02:24:18,820
Twenty.

2434
02:24:18,820 --> 02:24:19,820
Twenty.

2435
02:24:19,820 --> 02:24:20,820
Twenty.

2436
02:24:20,820 --> 02:24:21,820
Twenty.

2437
02:24:21,820 --> 02:24:22,820
Twenty.

2438
02:24:22,820 --> 02:24:23,820
Twenty.

2439
02:24:23,820 --> 02:24:24,820
Twenty.

2440
02:24:24,820 --> 02:24:25,820
Twenty.

2441
02:24:25,820 --> 02:24:26,820
Twenty.

2442
02:24:26,820 --> 02:24:27,820
Twenty.

2443
02:24:27,820 --> 02:24:28,820
Twenty.

2444
02:24:28,820 --> 02:24:29,820
Twenty.

2445
02:24:29,820 --> 02:24:30,820
Twenty.

2446
02:24:30,820 --> 02:24:31,820
Twenty.

2447
02:24:31,820 --> 02:24:32,820
Twenty.

2448
02:24:32,820 --> 02:24:33,820
Twenty.

2449
02:24:33,820 --> 02:24:34,820
Twenty.

2450
02:24:34,820 --> 02:24:35,820
Twenty.

2451
02:24:35,820 --> 02:24:36,820
Twenty.

2452
02:24:36,820 --> 02:24:37,820
Twenty.

2453
02:24:37,820 --> 02:24:38,820
Twenty.

2454
02:24:38,820 --> 02:24:53,820
The financial litigation including matters before administrative tribunals, affecting the municipality or local ward and two items under Section 239, Subsection 2F, advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose.

2455
02:24:53,820 --> 02:25:01,820
For the motion and discussion, all of favor, now move into closed and we will take a

2456
02:25:02,820 --> 02:25:05,820
Okay, we are back in.

2457
02:25:27,820 --> 02:25:30,820
Okay, we are going to do the report regarding the closed meeting.

2458
02:25:31,820 --> 02:25:36,820
It's moved by who will move this?

2459
02:25:36,820 --> 02:25:39,820
Because it's me.

2460
02:25:42,820 --> 02:25:44,820
And second by Councillor Paul.

2461
02:25:44,820 --> 02:25:46,820
Okay.

2462
02:25:46,820 --> 02:25:48,820
This is not really strange for me.

2463
02:25:48,820 --> 02:25:50,820
Not saying anything.

2464
02:25:50,820 --> 02:25:51,820
Okay.

2465
02:25:51,820 --> 02:25:52,820
Okay.

2466
02:25:52,820 --> 02:25:54,820
Okay, who is for a second?

2467
02:25:54,820 --> 02:25:56,820
I can't say anything.

2468
02:25:56,820 --> 02:25:57,820
Down here.

2469
02:25:57,820 --> 02:25:59,820
It's just second to open the meeting.

2470
02:25:59,820 --> 02:26:00,820
Yeah.

2471
02:26:00,820 --> 02:26:01,820
This is the report.

2472
02:26:01,820 --> 02:26:03,820
I don't have a session.

2473
02:26:03,820 --> 02:26:04,820
I don't have a session.

2474
02:26:04,820 --> 02:26:05,820
I don't have a session.

2475
02:26:05,820 --> 02:26:06,820
I don't have a session.

2476
02:26:06,820 --> 02:26:07,820
Okay.

2477
02:26:07,820 --> 02:26:08,820
Okay.

2478
02:26:08,820 --> 02:26:09,820
Okay.

2479
02:26:09,820 --> 02:26:10,820
Okay.

2480
02:26:10,820 --> 02:26:18,820
Be it resolved that by-law 2025-105 being a by-law to authorize the mayor and clear to sign a bill of sale.

2481
02:26:18,820 --> 02:26:26,820
And general advance regarding the E.D. boat house on the road allowance located in the village

2482
02:26:26,820 --> 02:26:27,820
in New York.

2483
02:26:27,820 --> 02:26:30,820
The entaken has read it a first and second time.

2484
02:26:30,820 --> 02:26:37,820
The short way this fifth day of August 2025.

2485
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:39,820
Any questions about it?

2486
02:26:39,820 --> 02:26:40,820
All in favor?

2487
02:26:40,820 --> 02:26:42,820
It's carry.

2488
02:26:49,820 --> 02:26:51,820
Okay.

2489
02:26:51,820 --> 02:26:54,820
Reporting regarding the closed meeting.

2490
02:26:54,820 --> 02:26:56,820
I can't say card.

2491
02:26:56,820 --> 02:26:58,820
Second, I can't say non-field.

2492
02:26:58,820 --> 02:27:03,820
Here is all that by-law 2025-105 being taken.

2493
02:27:03,820 --> 02:27:09,820
As read a third time and finally pass this fifth day of August 2025.

2494
02:27:09,820 --> 02:27:11,820
All in favor?

2495
02:27:11,820 --> 02:27:23,820
Okay.

2496
02:27:23,820 --> 02:27:26,820
So by-law, I'm never too.

2497
02:27:26,820 --> 02:27:27,820
Okay.

2498
02:27:27,820 --> 02:27:28,820
Okay.

2499
02:27:28,820 --> 02:27:36,820
So this is by-law 2025-106 government proceedings of council.

2500
02:27:36,820 --> 02:27:38,820
August 5, 2020.

2501
02:27:38,820 --> 02:27:40,820
Moved by Councillor Maxwell.

2502
02:27:40,820 --> 02:27:41,820
Who's now here?

2503
02:27:41,820 --> 02:27:42,820
So we're going to go who?

2504
02:27:42,820 --> 02:27:44,820
Who's going to move this?

2505
02:27:44,820 --> 02:27:45,820
Okay.

2506
02:27:45,820 --> 02:27:46,820
All right.

2507
02:27:46,820 --> 02:27:47,820
All right.

2508
02:27:47,820 --> 02:27:48,820
I got it.

2509
02:27:48,820 --> 02:27:51,820
And second by Councillor Pollard.

2510
02:27:51,820 --> 02:27:53,820
So you can do that one?

2511
02:27:53,820 --> 02:27:54,820
Okay.

2512
02:27:54,820 --> 02:28:02,820
Be it resolved that by-law number 2025-106 being a by-law to govern the proceedings of the council

2513
02:28:02,820 --> 02:28:06,820
of the corporation of the township of Rita Lakes.

2514
02:28:06,820 --> 02:28:09,820
It's meeting how August 5, 2025 be taken.

2515
02:28:09,820 --> 02:28:15,820
As read a first second and a third time, this fifth day of August 2025.

2516
02:28:15,820 --> 02:28:17,820
Everybody who's in favor?

2517
02:28:17,820 --> 02:28:18,820
Okay.

2518
02:28:18,820 --> 02:28:19,820
It's clear.

2519
02:28:19,820 --> 02:28:20,820
Okay.

2520
02:28:20,820 --> 02:28:22,820
It's clear.

2521
02:28:22,820 --> 02:28:25,820
It's clear.

2522
02:28:26,820 --> 02:28:28,820
It's clear.

2523
02:28:28,820 --> 02:28:29,820
It's clear.

2524
02:28:29,820 --> 02:28:30,820
It's clear.

2525
02:28:30,820 --> 02:28:31,820
It's clear.

2526
02:28:31,820 --> 02:28:32,820
It's clear.

2527
02:28:32,820 --> 02:28:33,820
It's clear.

2528
02:28:33,820 --> 02:28:34,820
Is everybody in favor of that one?

2529
02:28:34,820 --> 02:28:35,820
Yeah.

2530
02:28:35,820 --> 02:28:36,820
At 95.

2531
02:28:36,820 --> 02:28:38,820
We're going to put that on.

2532
02:28:38,820 --> 02:28:39,820
You don't.

2533
02:28:39,820 --> 02:28:41,820
We just need to see it.