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September 2nd City council meeting, please stand

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for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Please remain standing for a moment of silence.

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Thank you.

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Roll call.

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Counselor Clancy. Here. Councillor Rice Here.

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Councilor Marsh? Here. Councilor Bhu. Here.

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Council Grassley. Yeah. Councilor Roberts. Here.

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Mayor Ha Setler here. Thank you.

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Public comment. Let me remind you that the maximum time

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for public comment is three minutes per person reserved

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for general comments or items on the agenda

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that are not a public hearing.

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Do we have any public comment tonight?

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No. Okay.

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Consent Agenda item five A consider minutes

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of August 19th, 2026, regular meeting item five B,

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consider liquor license renewal for Roaring Fort Grill LLC,

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doing business as Brickhouse pizzeria.

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Item five C, consider liquor license renewal for for

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loyal order of Moose Lodge number 1345, doing business

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as loyal order of Moose Lodge number 1345

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item five D consider amendment to chapter 16

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of the rifle municipal code for permitted a DU Zone.

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Districts. Ordinance number 16 series

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of 2026 on second reading item five E consider.

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I'm gonna pull that off, right.

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Which one? We're gonna pull item

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five E off the consent

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agenda. So

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I move to approve consent.

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Agenda items five A through five D

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I'll second.

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So good.

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We have a motion from Councillor Grassley

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and a second from Councillor Roberts

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to approve consent Agenda of items five A

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through five D Councillor Behold.

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I guess I'm confused on why we're not doing five C

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Five.

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It's gonna move to the re. It is gonna move

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to the regular agenda.

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Yes. Councillor Marsh. Yes. Councillor Grassley. Yes.

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Councillor Rice. Yes. Councillor Roberts.

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Yes. Mayor Hostettler.

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Yes. Councillor Clancy. Yes. Thank you.

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First Actions, if any on workshops.

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We had our second budget workshop

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tonight going over governmental funds.

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A lot of good discussion

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and we're just gonna keep moving

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forward on this budget thing.

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And then we also talked about bulk resource, consumer

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conditional use permit requirements.

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Zach's put together some things

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that we're looking at right now and also P

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and Z's looking at and there's more to come on that later.

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And it looks like we have a presentation from the four H.

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Come on up.

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Either one, You can sit down or you can stand up.

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I'll stand. I sent out a kind

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of report the going over what I've done.

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I started here in January,

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so this is a little bit of what I've done.

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It's kind of hard to put all of it on pen and paper,

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but that's kind of the gist of what I've been doing.

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I'm sorry I didn't even introduce myself.

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I'm Jessica Russell. I'm the new four H specialist

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and I just wanted to come here, introduce myself.

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I've been very busy since I've started

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and I feel like I'm starting to catch my breath now,

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especially after fair.

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So I wanted to put a face to my name to you all

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and I wanted to let you know what I've been working on.

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And then also I wanted to get an idea of what,

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if you have anything of what you're looking

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for from four H in the city of Rifle.

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So if you guys have anything that like

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you've been missing from the program that you would like

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to see more of, anything like that, I would love your input

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to make sure that the program

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that we're doing is supporting the community as well. So

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I think this is the first time anyone from the four H has

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ever come here for a long time.

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For a long time. Yeah. So it's nice to see you.

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I was like, I hope that's a good thing.

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Really a good thing. We really

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appreciate the four H program. Yeah. Yes.

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Yeah. It's a program I truly believe in.

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I was a four H member as a youth

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and it's made me the person I am today.

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So I hope to, to put that into our youth

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that we have here as well.

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Yeah, I second those sentiments.

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The four H program is actually a pretty interesting program.

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I, I sit on the extension board

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and we kind of oversee parts.

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Yeah. Get reports. At least it was,

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it's an interesting program.

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I suggest, I suggest people educate themselves on it.

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I did have one thing that I've heard recently from some

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of the businesses in town,

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and that's in regards to

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spending funds at the Livestock Fair

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or at the livestock auctions at during the fair that

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the way it's structured with Loma Livestock, I believe

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being that the person the check is written to is an issue.

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And if, if they could write checks to the nonprofits

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that there might be some more corporate participation

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and purchasing of livestock.

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Those funds are usually restricted by the corporations

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and they have to go to a, to a nonprofit. So Yeah.

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Yeah. It's because our, that auction is ran

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by the Livestock Marketing Committee.

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That is through, they're like an an offshoot

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of the fair board if I'm understanding it all correctly.

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And so that they're not a 5 0 1 C.

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And so some companies are required when they do a donation

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can only donate to a 5 0 1 C or 5 0 3 C

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or whatever the number is.

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And so I think that's something

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that the Livestock Marketing Committee is actually working

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on to turn over into a nonprofit so

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that they can receive those funds from those organizations

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who really wanna support the program and the auction,

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but just can't with the standing that they're in.

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So are, are you talking about the fact

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that our checks this year went to like

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acting client or something?

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'cause we wrote it to like Garfield County

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and then it, oh, I said no, you can't write it

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to Garfield County and then that's it.

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Yeah, it was different. I see what you're for sure.

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Now something was different this year.

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tax implications of that.

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Yeah, there's that side of it.

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And then there's also this side of how the auction is ran.

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And so the Livestock Marketing Committee is the one

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who puts on the livestock auction.

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I'm just there as a support for that side of it

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and managing like the youth and all of those things.

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And then the Livestock Marketing Committee hired

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Loma Livestock to run the auction,

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but also the backside of it.

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So like collecting the money, making sure

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that the kids get their checks on time.

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I don't have all the historical knowledge that's happened

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before, but from my understanding it took like a long time

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for a lot of our youth to get the money

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that they made at the auction.

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And that's 'cause this committee's only ran by volunteers.

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that to happen a lot faster as far as my understanding goes.

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was probably real, but the opportunity

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for some additional funds to be spent was,

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it was also substantial amounts of money.

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Yeah. So yeah.

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Well I can definitely take this feedback

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and let the, the committee know that

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people are thinking about it

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and looking at solutions on how to make some changes.

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Okay, thank you. Might need like

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a go between in the middle.

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I know that's, yeah. Finding that sweet spot right there.

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Anybody else got any four H questions or

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How is participation do you feel like,

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like I know you don't have a lot to measure it by,

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but it's pretty robust program.

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We have a very youthful population here. So

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Yeah, this, this four H year we've had 250 youth

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enrolled and over a hundred volunteers.

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That's good. So in my eyes, I think

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that's really like a really good number.

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But I would love to get more involvement from our,

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what we call our general project side.

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So not so much our livestock side,

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but getting these kids who don't have the space

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to raise animals, but still helping them develop life skills

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and doing just fun projects.

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Like one thing that we were able

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to grow a little bit this year was ceramics.

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We have a great volunteer out in Parachute

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that has a ceramic studio

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and they've invited our youth over there.

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And so supporting more programs like that so the youth

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who can't connect

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to the livestock world still find a

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belonging within our program.

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You said 250 youth? Yes. In this year? Yes.

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Even though you've only been here a short time,

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do you have a sense of how that number compares

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to last year or the year before?

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I think we dropped a little bit

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and I think this has to do with a lot

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of our livestock side of it.

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The prices for say beef

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and purchasing those larger animals went up substantially.

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So a lot of our kids weren't able to continue with projects.

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We also had a large group this year

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before me that graduated high school.

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And so we didn't get that return from our littles in

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with our big kids moving out.

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So I think that has a little bit to, I don't know

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what the number was prior to me,

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but I think it did drop a little bit.

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But I hope that we can grow more this next year.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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We appreciate you coming in. You're welcome.

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Yeah. Do you guys have any other comments

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or suggestions like please reach out.

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I want to be a good support for our community

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and make these youth and myself

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and our volunteers feel part of the community.

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So if you have any suggestions on how we can do things like

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that, I would be happy to take them. Great,

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Thank you. Can we get thank you

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Updates on the events and and stuff.

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Could we, could we put some of that

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through our communication channels?

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Yeah, definitely. We could post it on our flyers

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and do social media partnerships.

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So I have your email.

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Yeah, we can reach out if that would help. Yeah,

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That would be great. Considered

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Downtown, could You?

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I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah,

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thank you for your time. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank You. Thank you.

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All right. Item seven B presentation by city

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of Glenwood Springs about the South Bridge.

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Please introduce yourselves

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for those of us that don't know you.

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Good evening mayor and council. Thanks for having us.

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Good to be here. My name is Steve Boyd.

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I'm the city manager in Glenwood Springs.

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I've got our city engineer, Ryan Gordon

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and our finance directory Vet Gustad with us.

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So we're just kind of doing the circuit up

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and down the valley to give everybody a very lightning quick

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update on how the Southbridge project is going

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and give you a chance to answer

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or ask any questions that you'd like.

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So we've been doing this for a long time.

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We're probably 20 years or

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so into it in the last couple years.

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We've made a lot of changes to the design of the project

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to try to simplify it and lower the cost.

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We've got a lot of partners that are in it

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with us as we go along.

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But I thought I would just turn it over to our city engineer

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and have him explain quickly what changes we've made and,

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and take any questions that you guys have.

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And then if at some point you'd like to write a letter

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of support, you're very welcome to.

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I can work with Patrick on that.

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We're not here to ask for money. At least tonight.

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We might be back. I don't know. I'll give it to Ryan.

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Yeah. Hi. Good evening counsel again.

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Ryan Gordon, the city engineer.

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So as, as Steve alluded to

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and said, lots of changes in the last couple years.

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So three years ago when I was hired,

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we put a stop on Southbridge, we paused it

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and really took a deep dive.

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We made some, some pretty significant changes.

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Fir first off, before I go into that,

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let me explain the reason for Southbridge

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and why we even started this altogether.

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So back in 2002,

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the Coal Sea fire jammed up traffic in Glenwood

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and really caused a, a major issue.

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So the idea of Southbridge is primarily a second egress

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across the Roaring Fork River,

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primarily access the southern

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neighborhoods in Glenwood Springs.

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And then the four mile corridor above Glenwood,

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approximately about four

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to 5,000 people live in that, that zone.

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So that was really the primary reason.

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There's other, other goals of the project.

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We're gonna be fully rebuilding almost a complete one mile

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of Highway D two if this project goes forward.

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So in, in i I, I was born

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and raised in Glenwood, so I know it

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as the Buffalo Valley intersection County Road 1 54 is

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the, the official name.

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And, and Highway 82 pretty dangerous roadway in section.

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In fact, yesterday there was a,

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a four car pile up in that same area.

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So the, the project, again, fire evacuation, major,

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major safety improvements along, along the interstate

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or the highway system in that, in that corridor also,

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what it's gonna do is actually, it's gonna continue a lot

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of pedestrian and biking facilities,

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which are in the South Glenwood region across this new

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bridge and connect to the Rio Grande Trail.

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And then it's also gonna, we feel, have some,

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some improvements to traffic circulation in,

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in general move forward.

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Okay, so this was the design in 2023?

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The 2000, yeah, yeah, 2023.

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And, and what I've highlighted on here are three major

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components that we really took a deep dive.

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So going from left to right,

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initially the project actually had a tunnel under our

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existing municipal runway.

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We found out that was actually gonna be the first ever

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tunnel under a runway that municipality built.

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And we didn't want to be the Guinea pigs

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for number one second, the bridge structure

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that crosses the Roaring Fork River, initially designed as

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a bridge, very similar to

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what you see in the Goman Springs Canyon,

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which is the segmented concrete sections.

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Fairly complicated to construct.

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Pretty unique and difficult

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as a long-term maintenance challenge.

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Thirdly, on the top of the top of the screen, you'll see

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a section along highway E two.

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Well, we had initially for a, a set of houses,

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2, 2, 600 foot long by two six foot, six foot,

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600 foot long by 20 foot high retaining walls

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to access those neighborhoods.

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So what we end up doing next, next, next screen is,

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is we kind of re revision a little bit of the project.

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Again, not the philosophy of it.

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What we end up doing is re remove that tunnel.

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So what we did is we shifted the road to the south

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and below the runway.

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This would allow us to eliminate that tunnel

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and also have a safe way to get around

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around the runway itself.

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We changed the bridge style to a boring steel girder bridge

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that you see everywhere.

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Much, much easier to construct, much easier to maintain,

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significantly cheaper.

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Those, those retaining walls I mentioned,

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we got rid of them entirely.

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And what we ended up doing is preserving at

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that intersection, the County Road 1 54.

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Right now, there's a four-way intersection.

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We preserved that. The previous one actually had the

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elimination of the, the,

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the turning movements on would be the, the east side,

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which is why those walls was there.

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So we really got rid of that.

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Additionally, what we also did when we changed

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that bridge style, we were able

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to reduce it down in elevation,

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which made the grades on the east side of the river,

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which accesses the Jackson Ranch

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and the Holy Cross Energy campus, much,

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much more simpler from a 10% grade to basically at grade 1%.

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So we really made a lot of significant changes.

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So what this really did beyond those, those those elements,

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it reduced the project from probably 20 to 30 million,

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probably more on the 30 million side

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and reduced construction time, about 18 months.

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We actually hired a consultant

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to kind of help us do all this.

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You know, I'm I, I'm, I'm fairly smart,

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but not smart enough in all this.

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So we've got some experts to kind of help us out with costs

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and construction schedule.

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So some pretty meaningful changes. Go ahead.

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So here's what it looks like right now.

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Again, doesn't look a whole lot different than before,

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but the major point you can see is the, the bottom part

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of the roadway that goes, you know, to the south

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of the runway that really has accomplished a couple things

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beyond just construction schedule and cost.

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What this is allowing us

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to do is actually keep speeds moderate.

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When there was a, when there was a tunnel,

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the tunnel actually came underneath the runway

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and had a curve that was designed for about a 45 mile,

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45 mile an hour highway speed, which again,

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you can probably get up to 65 miles an hour

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if you really drop the hammer.

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What this has allowed us to do is actually put in a lot

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of more controls on, on speed and, and how people drive.

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You know, we cannot control where people drive,

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but we cer certainly want to control how they are driving.

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So this actually is a 25 mile an hour designed corner.

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At that lower left hand corner, we're gonna have a bunch

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of other safety features of speed table, some roundabouts

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and some other things to control control speed.

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You can see on the right hand side the,

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the significant amount of, of

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redesign on the highway D two corridor.

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And just to kind of point out again, at that county road,

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1 54 across the, across the highway from that

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is the Red Mountain Commercial District.

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All that area right now has sort of a free access

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to the, to the highway D two.

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It's about a 300 foot long open area.

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What we've done is we consolidated all of those businesses

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and there's a few residents

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and collected them to a new signaled intersection

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where the new Southbridge road would, would come up.

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Again, really creating a much more safer condition

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for those businesses and then for the traveling public.

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So the other thing that I mentioned was traffic.

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And I, I, I don't expect you guys to digest all this,

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but what this is really showing

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and what we've been able to determine is

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by building this bridge,

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we are essentially gonna be pulling off approximately 3000

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cars per day,

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or about 10% of the current traffic on Highway D two

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that currently would go, if you're going from let's say,

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Carbondale to Glenwood

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as you're approaching the current traffic pattern, right?

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As you approach the, the Walmart area, the McDonald's area,

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a lot of the residents that live in South Glenwood are four

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mile that currently commute,

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let's say up Valley when they're coming down valley.

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They have to come down through that, through past McDonald's

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and then take a left on 27th Street

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and basically backtrack a couple miles to get up four mile.

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When we build South Bridge, again,

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this is gonna be well south, about two miles south of

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that of McDonald's.

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Those, those approximately 3000 vehicles per day will no

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longer have to go to 27th Street.

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Right? They will be able to take Southbridge

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to get to get home.

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We feel that's gonna be a meaningful amount

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of, of reduction.

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And again, our goal is this is, is in, in no way intended

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to be a bypass, right?

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Our, our goal actually, as I mentioned,

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the 25 mile an hour speed limits, speed tables, et cetera,

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is to kind of make it not much fun to have

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to drive through Southbridge.

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But if you're going home, great,

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but if it's your commute not so great, and we think the idea

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and, and we've done a couple studies, is

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that we're leaving enough traffic off of Highway 82 that

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to stay in Highway 82, where you can go 55 miles an hour

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into Glenwood Springs, obviously if to slow down,

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that would be the preferred

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and quicker route for the commuters.

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So again, it really accomplishes a ton of things.

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And, and I just wanna highlight, you know,

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the safety improvements on Highway 82 are really paramount.

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Over the last 15 years there's been at least two fatalities

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and somewhere and close to the 60

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to 70 major serious actions

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accidents in this stretch of the road.

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And I think, oh, I go most important part I was about

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to be done schedule and costs.

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So the schedule, there's a,

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there's a few little changes here as we're sort

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of progressing through, but generally speaking,

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this project is funded from a $50 million grant

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that we received from FHWA.

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We're in the process now of oblating that grant

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that's in final review at a couple different parties

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up at FHWA.

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So we're looking to have that grant money secured

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for the project here pretty quick.

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This says anticipated bid date October

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of 26, which is right around the corner.

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It's more gonna be like January one of 27.

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We are working through a few, a few last things.

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You know, we're working with the county on land use permits

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and some other other issues there.

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And then we're also working to finalize

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and secure right of way,

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we wanna have both those items taken care

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of prior to bidding the project.

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So we think that's probably gonna be around the first

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of the year, but it's kind of challenging to,

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to estimate when all that stuff is gonna get worked out.

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So construction date would fall on the heels.

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Again, if we sort of say construction date is,

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is this says one, one that would be bid date.

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So if you give a couple months

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for getting a contractor on board

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and the contract signed, so if we're talking the end

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of first quarter 27,

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we feel the construction is probably close

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to about a two year or,

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or two construction cycle of a project.

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Given that we have quite a bit of work to do.

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Certainly right now we're estimating

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that the total project cost is like $77.5 million right now.

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What we have with, assuming that we have

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that federal big federal grant,

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we have about 72 point half million dollars

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with $5 million remaining.

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And, and some of the funding sources raft is providing

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money, c d's providing money.

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This federal grant along

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with some other federal earmarks is providing money.

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Then certainly city of Glenoma Springs is bringing up

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and providing local match and, and,

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and kind of closing that gap.

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So I think that's my last slide.

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So listen, open up for questions if you have anything,

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I'm happy to answer anything.

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So I'm, I'm just go, my mind just goes back

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to when we did, when we did,

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when you guys built the new bridge across,

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what is the traffic impact

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of those two years gonna be on highway 82?

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Yeah, that's a, that's a great question.

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So we've thought this through

518
00:23:00,225 --> 00:23:02,645
and there's plenty of space, I say plenty of space,

519
00:23:02,665 --> 00:23:04,365
but there's space enough that you,

520
00:23:04,365 --> 00:23:06,205
we can do some significant lane shifts.

521
00:23:07,105 --> 00:23:09,045
So really the Oh, thank you.

522
00:23:09,045 --> 00:23:10,365
That's a great to bring that back.

523
00:23:10,465 --> 00:23:13,125
So, so the improvements in highway D two are adding

524
00:23:13,165 --> 00:23:15,405
acceleration and deceleration lanes,

525
00:23:15,405 --> 00:23:17,245
some additional turn lanes and,

526
00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,565
and widening some of the areas.

527
00:23:18,895 --> 00:23:21,325
Right now there's, there's significant space.

528
00:23:21,345 --> 00:23:22,965
We think we can do a lane shift

529
00:23:23,305 --> 00:23:26,845
and move traffic over while we'll do work on east side,

530
00:23:26,975 --> 00:23:28,965
south side, whatever weather side you want to call it,

531
00:23:29,105 --> 00:23:30,245
and then kind of shift lanes.

532
00:23:30,245 --> 00:23:32,165
So there would certainly be impacts to say the least.

533
00:23:32,705 --> 00:23:34,525
But we think given, you know, again,

534
00:23:34,575 --> 00:23:36,365
where this intersection is in proximity

535
00:23:36,365 --> 00:23:39,925
to McDonald's is relatively close-ish, and I bring that up

536
00:23:39,925 --> 00:23:42,405
because we probably will have, you know, speed limits

537
00:23:42,405 --> 00:23:45,170
through the construction zone at 45 miles an hour, hour.

538
00:23:45,745 --> 00:23:47,925
So hopefully it's not a significant impact as opposed

539
00:23:47,925 --> 00:23:50,165
to midsection between Glenwood and Carbondale.

540
00:23:50,415 --> 00:23:51,685
There will be some impacts.

541
00:23:52,145 --> 00:23:54,725
The good news about this project is a lot

542
00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:58,205
of the heavy lifting, so to speak, is off the system, right?

543
00:23:58,205 --> 00:23:59,885
The bridge doesn't have traffic going to it.

544
00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,005
The roadways on the, on the west side

545
00:24:02,005 --> 00:24:04,725
of the airport don't have a significant amount of traffic.

546
00:24:04,825 --> 00:24:07,365
So we're hoping that it's gonna be minimum amount of impact,

547
00:24:07,705 --> 00:24:09,765
but there, like any, any construction project,

548
00:24:09,765 --> 00:24:10,885
unfortunately, there's going

549
00:24:10,885 --> 00:24:12,765
to be times when it's pretty significant,

550
00:24:13,145 --> 00:24:15,765
but we are still gonna be following all the CDOT protocols

551
00:24:15,765 --> 00:24:18,565
with regards to constructions on a highway system.

552
00:24:18,825 --> 00:24:22,365
So that means, you know, the major work between 9:00 AM

553
00:24:22,365 --> 00:24:26,205
and 3:00 PM hopefully quasi outside of that commuting time.

554
00:24:26,205 --> 00:24:27,365
Right? I mean, we know that's sort

555
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:29,205
of inching in on those timeframes,

556
00:24:29,505 --> 00:24:31,885
but that's the goal at least is to minimize impact to

557
00:24:31,885 --> 00:24:32,925
that, to the traveling public.

558
00:24:33,105 --> 00:24:35,205
Is it possible for all the highway 82 work

559
00:24:35,205 --> 00:24:36,725
to get done in one construction season?

560
00:24:37,385 --> 00:24:39,685
You know that that is a possibility? I'm

561
00:24:39,685 --> 00:24:41,525
Just wondering what the sequence of

562
00:24:41,835 --> 00:24:42,835
Yeah.

563
00:24:42,835 --> 00:24:45,445
That that's, that's, that's the $65 million question.

564
00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:47,845
We are, we're, you know,

565
00:24:47,845 --> 00:24:50,005
the way we're gonna do this is once we bid it out,

566
00:24:50,035 --> 00:24:52,605
hire a contractor, sit down and talk about schedule

567
00:24:53,065 --> 00:24:56,405
and obviously impacts to, to the traveling public impacts

568
00:24:56,405 --> 00:24:58,525
to the river corridor, our, our Paramount.

569
00:24:58,525 --> 00:24:59,565
We wanna reduce those.

570
00:24:59,625 --> 00:25:01,045
And so we'll come up with an ideas

571
00:25:01,545 --> 00:25:02,725
and it may be something

572
00:25:02,725 --> 00:25:04,805
that we can both do in one construction season.

573
00:25:05,035 --> 00:25:06,845
Perhaps there's some night work, you know,

574
00:25:07,095 --> 00:25:09,365
we'll figure out what's the best way about doing this

575
00:25:09,365 --> 00:25:11,485
that we can fit within the budget and the timeframe.

576
00:25:11,545 --> 00:25:12,965
But, but certainly, you know, and,

577
00:25:12,965 --> 00:25:14,965
and also, you know, with the Aspen airport being shut down,

578
00:25:14,965 --> 00:25:16,485
that's gonna cause an increase of traffic.

579
00:25:16,625 --> 00:25:19,565
So we're trying, we're trying to balance that out

580
00:25:19,565 --> 00:25:22,965
and we recognize that it's not spectacular for,

581
00:25:23,025 --> 00:25:25,125
for everybody to have to deal with the major project on a

582
00:25:25,125 --> 00:25:26,205
major highway system.

583
00:25:27,765 --> 00:25:30,685
I think it's a good idea all, all the way around

584
00:25:30,865 --> 00:25:33,205
and needed it not only for the folks

585
00:25:33,205 --> 00:25:34,885
that are going all the way through Glenwood,

586
00:25:34,885 --> 00:25:37,365
but definitely for the folks that are going up to Four Mile.

587
00:25:37,395 --> 00:25:39,285
Yeah. So, yeah. That's great.

588
00:25:40,195 --> 00:25:42,685
Just for the sake of being here at the city of Rifle,

589
00:25:42,755 --> 00:25:44,125
what do you feel this project does

590
00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:45,605
to benefit the citizens of Rifle?

591
00:25:45,745 --> 00:25:47,325
Can you help us understand that?

592
00:25:47,385 --> 00:25:50,125
And if we were to sign a letter of support, what would

593
00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:52,765
that be asking for from Rifle specifically? Yeah.

594
00:25:52,945 --> 00:25:55,325
We, we see this as, as really sort of integral

595
00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,125
to like say the valley wide, right?

596
00:25:57,125 --> 00:25:59,725
While it's obviously a Glenwood project in Glenwood Springs

597
00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:01,085
financed a lot by Glenwood.

598
00:26:01,365 --> 00:26:02,845
I think there's some significant benefits.

599
00:26:02,925 --> 00:26:06,285
I think one is if the traffic patterns sort

600
00:26:06,285 --> 00:26:08,365
of pen pencil out as we kind of think there are,

601
00:26:08,545 --> 00:26:10,445
it will be easier for folks to get in

602
00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:12,125
and in through Glenwood Springs, right?

603
00:26:12,145 --> 00:26:14,205
We know there is, you know, a good chunk of people

604
00:26:14,205 --> 00:26:17,685
that commute up Valley from Newcastle, silt Rifle

605
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,405
and Parachute even further down, right?

606
00:26:19,405 --> 00:26:21,805
We're hoping this saves a meaningful

607
00:26:21,805 --> 00:26:22,965
amount of time for those folks.

608
00:26:23,725 --> 00:26:25,245
I will really highlight these safety

609
00:26:25,245 --> 00:26:26,525
improvements on Highway 82.

610
00:26:27,265 --> 00:26:29,365
You know, these accidents don't just, you know,

611
00:26:29,365 --> 00:26:31,605
affect Glenwood Springs residents.

612
00:26:31,605 --> 00:26:33,445
It is really kind of valley wide.

613
00:26:33,785 --> 00:26:36,965
And again, as we sort of look at the increase in wildfire,

614
00:26:37,645 --> 00:26:39,245
wildfire evacuation, again,

615
00:26:39,245 --> 00:26:40,765
this gives us another opportunity

616
00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:42,205
to get people in and out, right?

617
00:26:42,305 --> 00:26:44,165
And so, you know,

618
00:26:44,225 --> 00:26:46,045
God forbid there's a fire up four Mile, right?

619
00:26:46,045 --> 00:26:48,245
This is a way of forcing a lot of people out.

620
00:26:48,935 --> 00:26:51,525
Right now, those folks only have one, one way out.

621
00:26:51,745 --> 00:26:53,685
But if we sort of look at what happened a couple weeks,

622
00:26:53,985 --> 00:26:56,485
excuse me, a couple months ago, south Canyon was closed down

623
00:26:56,485 --> 00:26:57,485
for a significant amount of time.

624
00:26:59,365 --> 00:27:01,685
A lot of things happened, a lot of lessons learned, right?

625
00:27:01,685 --> 00:27:04,325
But what one of the things I was thinking is if boy, if

626
00:27:04,325 --> 00:27:05,525
that fire crusted that hill

627
00:27:05,525 --> 00:27:07,005
and came down, all those people

628
00:27:07,025 --> 00:27:08,965
who were jammed into Glenwood had to get out

629
00:27:09,145 --> 00:27:11,925
and they only had one way basically down Highway 82,

630
00:27:12,275 --> 00:27:13,965
that would've been equally challenging

631
00:27:14,185 --> 00:27:16,205
to get those people out as there was getting in.

632
00:27:16,305 --> 00:27:18,885
So South Bridge would provide that second opportunity.

633
00:27:19,865 --> 00:27:22,565
And like I said, it's just a, a another chance

634
00:27:22,625 --> 00:27:25,205
to get better flow patterns of traffic, right?

635
00:27:25,305 --> 00:27:28,885
So I, I do, I do think, again, those safety improvements

636
00:27:28,885 --> 00:27:31,245
and then I think there will be some modest amount of savings

637
00:27:31,385 --> 00:27:33,165
and, and commute time for the Down Valley folks.

638
00:27:33,205 --> 00:27:34,205
I think those are the things I'd highlight

639
00:27:34,205 --> 00:27:34,885
for the City of Rifle.

640
00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:36,125
Thank you.

641
00:27:39,675 --> 00:27:41,165
Anybody else got questions?

642
00:27:44,425 --> 00:27:45,645
Thanks guys. Well

643
00:27:45,645 --> 00:27:47,605
Appreciate your time listening to us. Yeah, thank you.

644
00:27:47,605 --> 00:27:51,285
Thank you. Thank you Mayor.

645
00:27:51,335 --> 00:27:54,085
Let's take up the consent agenda item that was pulled

646
00:27:54,545 --> 00:27:55,765
before the public hearing.

647
00:27:56,465 --> 00:27:58,245
You wanna do it now? Yeah. Okay.

648
00:28:00,115 --> 00:28:03,165
Item five E consider the 90 day non-renewal notice

649
00:28:03,385 --> 00:28:05,365
for the rough LLC.

650
00:28:09,785 --> 00:28:13,325
And You just do the same background that you did at the

651
00:28:14,465 --> 00:28:15,465
Yep.

652
00:28:15,465 --> 00:28:19,005
So the request was,

653
00:28:20,205 --> 00:28:23,165
I guess to go back City purchased the golf course

654
00:28:23,705 --> 00:28:25,525
in April of this year.

655
00:28:25,665 --> 00:28:28,925
At that time, there was an existing tenant

656
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:31,605
in the restaurant space who agreed to stay on.

657
00:28:32,665 --> 00:28:35,605
We negotiated a lease with them through,

658
00:28:35,675 --> 00:28:37,125
with help from Jim's office.

659
00:28:37,825 --> 00:28:41,925
And as part of that lease there was a,

660
00:28:43,145 --> 00:28:45,045
it was either for a year

661
00:28:46,265 --> 00:28:48,685
or if it isn't pulled earlier than that,

662
00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:50,965
it would turn over into a three year lease agreement.

663
00:28:51,665 --> 00:28:54,685
And so currently there we're required to give notice

664
00:28:54,905 --> 00:28:57,965
for it 90 days prior to the termination of lease,

665
00:28:57,965 --> 00:28:59,445
which was December 31st.

666
00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:02,085
So that 90 days is the beginning of October

667
00:29:03,345 --> 00:29:07,005
and we brought it to workshop for you all

668
00:29:07,145 --> 00:29:09,925
and it's in front of you tonight

669
00:29:11,035 --> 00:29:13,095
for recommendation that that's signed.

670
00:29:16,445 --> 00:29:20,335
Yeah, I, I have some, some thoughts on this subject

671
00:29:20,595 --> 00:29:22,815
and it kind of ret pertains

672
00:29:22,915 --> 00:29:25,455
to the public private partnership

673
00:29:25,645 --> 00:29:27,495
that the city's entering into here

674
00:29:28,155 --> 00:29:31,775
and the process that the city's gonna use to lease

675
00:29:32,355 --> 00:29:36,175
our spaces to for-profit entities.

676
00:29:37,045 --> 00:29:39,215
When I spoke with Patrick about this yesterday,

677
00:29:39,615 --> 00:29:43,685
I think there's several examples within the city of

678
00:29:45,465 --> 00:29:48,395
opportunities that we could have to expand

679
00:29:49,605 --> 00:29:50,675
those partnerships

680
00:29:51,175 --> 00:29:54,475
and then kind of what function we have as a city

681
00:29:54,615 --> 00:29:58,475
to be a good partner to businesses

682
00:29:58,475 --> 00:30:01,995
that may choose to come and do business with us.

683
00:30:03,505 --> 00:30:06,075
Earlier tonight, we were talking about the Ute Theater.

684
00:30:08,275 --> 00:30:11,495
For those who don't know, the Avalon is a public-private

685
00:30:11,495 --> 00:30:14,655
partnership almost exactly minus the private

686
00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,335
as the Ute is managed.

687
00:30:18,235 --> 00:30:21,095
The golf course is an interesting case in

688
00:30:21,095 --> 00:30:23,495
that we acquired it halfway through the year.

689
00:30:25,825 --> 00:30:29,575
We've had a, an operator at the facility up there

690
00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:31,015
for a couple years.

691
00:30:31,315 --> 00:30:33,255
And I think that's been appreciated to have a,

692
00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:35,175
a high quality operator up there.

693
00:30:37,155 --> 00:30:38,495
And I wanted to make sure

694
00:30:38,495 --> 00:30:41,735
that we're not missing an opportunity to kind of standardize

695
00:30:41,995 --> 00:30:46,295
or define our approach to how we, how we move

696
00:30:46,565 --> 00:30:50,735
with these public-private partnerships, maximize the benefit

697
00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:54,535
for the city and also

698
00:30:54,595 --> 00:30:56,695
for the potential partners that we have.

699
00:30:59,335 --> 00:31:01,415
Specifically on this, on this item.

700
00:31:01,675 --> 00:31:06,575
One, one issue I had was that there wasn't a,

701
00:31:07,335 --> 00:31:10,775
a notice of award date that we wouldn't award

702
00:31:11,595 --> 00:31:16,335
or that we would award the, the bid

703
00:31:16,435 --> 00:31:19,415
to whoever wins the RFP by a certain amount of time.

704
00:31:21,555 --> 00:31:25,415
I'd also, you know, like to, to ensure

705
00:31:25,415 --> 00:31:27,815
that this three year term that we're doing

706
00:31:27,835 --> 00:31:30,335
for the RFP is reasonable to the business

707
00:31:30,755 --> 00:31:32,175
and the business community.

708
00:31:32,175 --> 00:31:33,175
That might be,

709
00:31:36,505 --> 00:31:40,305
I lost it on my iPad here, that might be doing

710
00:31:41,005 --> 00:31:43,505
or entering into these kind of agreements with us.

711
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,425
And I want to make sure that we have a,

712
00:31:48,685 --> 00:31:52,185
an appropriate way to, to handle this as a city.

713
00:31:52,545 --> 00:31:54,825
I think there's a bigger opportunity for us here.

714
00:31:55,845 --> 00:31:59,825
And this was an entry into that for me.

715
00:32:03,045 --> 00:32:06,185
And yeah, maybe this should have been brought up in the

716
00:32:06,345 --> 00:32:08,185
workshop, but I, it was, it was kind of like a,

717
00:32:10,065 --> 00:32:12,745
I don't know, it went really quick at the workshop and

718
00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:15,145
after I started thinking about it, I'm,

719
00:32:15,245 --> 00:32:16,305
I'm thinking about it like,

720
00:32:17,105 --> 00:32:19,345
I was on the board at the golf course for a long time

721
00:32:19,645 --> 00:32:23,025
and we always, we so struggled to get quality,

722
00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:26,625
somebody quality to, you know,

723
00:32:26,935 --> 00:32:28,545
they always started out really strong

724
00:32:28,885 --> 00:32:32,465
and then kind of petered out the other people

725
00:32:32,465 --> 00:32:34,505
that we had up there trying to lease that place.

726
00:32:34,925 --> 00:32:37,225
And it got so frustrating that we actually like tried

727
00:32:37,225 --> 00:32:39,685
to take the operation over ourselves for a few years.

728
00:32:40,785 --> 00:32:45,045
And we've had a, we've had a somebody up there

729
00:32:45,145 --> 00:32:47,925
for two solid years that's done a great job,

730
00:32:50,735 --> 00:32:55,045
great food, lots of options, always there, always open.

731
00:32:56,845 --> 00:32:59,965
I just, I just think we're being a little bit hasty

732
00:33:00,705 --> 00:33:03,915
because I don't know if we want to get somebody else to

733
00:33:04,935 --> 00:33:07,035
go up there to, to win this RFP

734
00:33:07,055 --> 00:33:08,635
and maybe they're not gonna be

735
00:33:09,495 --> 00:33:10,875
as good as what we have right now.

736
00:33:11,255 --> 00:33:12,635
So I'm just,

737
00:33:13,175 --> 00:33:15,515
and along with the stuff that Michael's talking about,

738
00:33:16,675 --> 00:33:19,275
I just feel like this is, this is being rushed right now,

739
00:33:19,735 --> 00:33:21,075
so, well the,

740
00:33:21,135 --> 00:33:23,795
before we approved it, I just wanted to have some discussion

741
00:33:24,495 --> 00:33:27,675
in front of the public and we've never done this before.

742
00:33:27,885 --> 00:33:30,995
Right, right. So like it's so new. Yeah.

743
00:33:32,535 --> 00:33:35,315
And, and October 1st is the date, right?

744
00:33:36,455 --> 00:33:40,795
So if we, I was honestly hoping maybe we table this

745
00:33:40,795 --> 00:33:43,075
for two weeks or we just vote

746
00:33:43,075 --> 00:33:44,275
on it right now and get it done.

747
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,595
But I didn't want it to be on the consent agenda, so

748
00:33:48,115 --> 00:33:49,675
I just wanted there to be more conversation.

749
00:33:50,815 --> 00:33:54,335
So I, I'm, I know we're a city

750
00:33:54,515 --> 00:33:58,295
and we've, we have maybe an obligation to the community

751
00:33:58,355 --> 00:34:00,175
to put this out back out for lease.

752
00:34:01,205 --> 00:34:03,695
Like a bit competition right.

753
00:34:04,725 --> 00:34:09,295
Wise, but I'm also looking at it as like we have

754
00:34:09,935 --> 00:34:11,735
somebody in there that's like, it's,

755
00:34:12,195 --> 00:34:14,255
it just scares me and they, I apply.

756
00:34:14,365 --> 00:34:16,295
They can, they can, yeah.

757
00:34:17,025 --> 00:34:18,015
Would you do this the same

758
00:34:18,015 --> 00:34:19,215
for a construction project though?

759
00:34:19,485 --> 00:34:20,535
It's the same thing.

760
00:34:20,565 --> 00:34:23,775
It's, it's, it's, we as a public entity need

761
00:34:23,775 --> 00:34:26,375
to follow the process for every part of

762
00:34:26,375 --> 00:34:27,855
that business process of bidding.

763
00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:29,735
It's different when it was a private entity.

764
00:34:29,915 --> 00:34:33,975
So when we met in the spring, we were gonna, we were,

765
00:34:34,135 --> 00:34:37,335
I felt like we were gonna judge how they did

766
00:34:37,355 --> 00:34:39,815
during the summer and, and,

767
00:34:41,075 --> 00:34:42,895
and decide whether we were gonna renew the,

768
00:34:43,075 --> 00:34:44,335
the lease based off of that.

769
00:34:45,235 --> 00:34:47,735
And like, as far as I've seen, there's,

770
00:34:47,825 --> 00:34:49,695
there hasn't been any complaints up there

771
00:34:49,695 --> 00:34:50,815
and they've done a great job.

772
00:34:51,395 --> 00:34:53,975
So I'm just afraid, I'm just afraid to, afraid

773
00:34:53,995 --> 00:34:55,495
to make the change and have something

774
00:34:55,495 --> 00:34:57,495
that's less after we try.

775
00:34:57,835 --> 00:35:00,575
If we, if and when we do this change, if, if

776
00:35:00,575 --> 00:35:02,775
and when two other, or two or three other people come in

777
00:35:02,775 --> 00:35:07,375
and try to get the RFP, like I'm just, I just,

778
00:35:07,765 --> 00:35:10,335
when I'm, I'm just telling you 20 years

779
00:35:10,515 --> 00:35:11,775
of history in my mind right now.

780
00:35:11,845 --> 00:35:14,855
Yeah. Or if no one showed, if no one bids. So Yeah.

781
00:35:15,195 --> 00:35:17,375
And you got somebody that's very invested in it.

782
00:35:17,375 --> 00:35:20,775
They've been there, they've done a lot of improvements.

783
00:35:20,805 --> 00:35:23,175
They've like, it's, it's just a tough one for me.

784
00:35:23,675 --> 00:35:25,975
So I think it fundamentally,

785
00:35:26,035 --> 00:35:29,415
it is different than a conventional RFP process, right?

786
00:35:31,635 --> 00:35:35,135
The the public public private partnership

787
00:35:35,135 --> 00:35:38,445
that we're entering into number one in duration is much

788
00:35:38,445 --> 00:35:39,925
longer, right?

789
00:35:40,035 --> 00:35:42,285
Like three year construction projects don't,

790
00:35:42,635 --> 00:35:43,885
hopefully they don't happen.

791
00:35:44,365 --> 00:35:46,045
Although we just heard about one. That's

792
00:35:46,045 --> 00:35:47,485
Good, Right?

793
00:35:48,745 --> 00:35:51,725
And it's also revenue source for the city.

794
00:35:53,505 --> 00:35:58,365
And I, I fundamentally view that revenue source as different

795
00:35:58,905 --> 00:36:01,285
and having an approach to doing that.

796
00:36:01,505 --> 00:36:03,525
You know, I bring up the ute

797
00:36:04,645 --> 00:36:07,445
I think there's genuinely opportunity for some of this stuff

798
00:36:07,445 --> 00:36:08,965
to occur at Rifle Mountain Park.

799
00:36:10,955 --> 00:36:13,045
There's opportunities at the boat ramp

800
00:36:13,145 --> 00:36:17,005
and just how do we, how do we approach these partnerships

801
00:36:17,395 --> 00:36:20,245
because it it is, they're an operating partner

802
00:36:20,305 --> 00:36:21,445
of a city asset,

803
00:36:21,445 --> 00:36:23,965
which is fundamentally different than delivering a

804
00:36:23,965 --> 00:36:25,125
service to the city.

805
00:36:25,755 --> 00:36:28,325
True. They're, they're in charge of one of our assets.

806
00:36:29,245 --> 00:36:31,525
I want to make sure that we have a defined approach

807
00:36:31,585 --> 00:36:32,805
in a scope to do this.

808
00:36:32,905 --> 00:36:36,325
You know, I've looked around, these partnerships exist

809
00:36:36,425 --> 00:36:37,845
and there is documentation

810
00:36:37,985 --> 00:36:40,885
and maybe Patrick can give us some background on

811
00:36:41,585 --> 00:36:43,365
how you would structure the RFP,

812
00:36:43,675 --> 00:36:46,445
what information would be included in it, you know,

813
00:36:46,475 --> 00:36:51,325
what kind of research that the, the city staff has done into

814
00:36:52,565 --> 00:36:54,405
constructing an effective partnership.

815
00:36:55,105 --> 00:36:57,845
And Jim, maybe you have some experience with other,

816
00:36:58,825 --> 00:37:00,765
So we, the one municipalities, two things.

817
00:37:00,865 --> 00:37:04,885
One, I was talking about our conversation to Scott.

818
00:37:05,065 --> 00:37:06,365
We do have the Brendan Theater.

819
00:37:07,505 --> 00:37:10,725
So the city does operate with the Brendan Theater kind

820
00:37:10,725 --> 00:37:12,685
of in a, in a similar type manner.

821
00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:15,405
So I just wanna clarify that for you.

822
00:37:15,565 --> 00:37:20,205
'cause I said there was none. The, the second thing,

823
00:37:20,205 --> 00:37:22,125
so staff has done, we've had probably three

824
00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:24,045
or four meetings internally about

825
00:37:24,435 --> 00:37:25,965
what an RFP process would look like.

826
00:37:25,965 --> 00:37:29,565
We have a pretty robust draft one right now.

827
00:37:29,585 --> 00:37:32,445
We obviously haven't taken any action on any of that

828
00:37:32,445 --> 00:37:34,885
because there's no formal notification from

829
00:37:34,885 --> 00:37:36,645
council as of right now.

830
00:37:37,635 --> 00:37:38,645
Totally. Something

831
00:37:38,645 --> 00:37:41,045
that we could bring to you all to look at.

832
00:37:41,675 --> 00:37:44,325
There's, we've pulled, there's a lot

833
00:37:44,325 --> 00:37:46,045
of great RFPs to pull from.

834
00:37:48,125 --> 00:37:49,245
'cause this is the general way

835
00:37:49,245 --> 00:37:52,165
that most folks organize their golf course restaurants.

836
00:37:52,545 --> 00:37:56,205
So there's some revenue sharing items in there.

837
00:37:56,755 --> 00:37:59,845
There's some financial documentation that they have

838
00:37:59,845 --> 00:38:01,125
to provide in order to make sure

839
00:38:01,125 --> 00:38:02,325
that they can really pull it off.

840
00:38:02,675 --> 00:38:04,965
They need references, they need experience,

841
00:38:05,105 --> 00:38:06,285
all that sort of stuff.

842
00:38:06,305 --> 00:38:08,165
So that, that type of thing is in there.

843
00:38:09,175 --> 00:38:10,205
Happy to, you know,

844
00:38:10,745 --> 00:38:12,445
it is a different thing than we normally do,

845
00:38:12,465 --> 00:38:16,045
but happy to bring it to council for you all to look at

846
00:38:16,185 --> 00:38:17,445
as part of the RFP

847
00:38:17,635 --> 00:38:21,605
process, I think.

848
00:38:21,665 --> 00:38:23,205
But we've, I, I want to applaud.

849
00:38:23,275 --> 00:38:25,725
Iris has done a really good job, Cody

850
00:38:26,305 --> 00:38:28,005
and Austin, of structuring

851
00:38:28,465 --> 00:38:30,285
and pulling a bunch of research from other

852
00:38:30,285 --> 00:38:32,325
places to put in there.

853
00:38:33,625 --> 00:38:34,845
So I think from my perspective,

854
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:37,405
this isn't about the establishment itself.

855
00:38:37,435 --> 00:38:39,165
This is about the process that we

856
00:38:39,165 --> 00:38:41,645
as a city when when it was privately owned

857
00:38:41,665 --> 00:38:45,045
and you had trouble, we are about to look at investing, how,

858
00:38:45,145 --> 00:38:47,525
how much money into this to improve it

859
00:38:47,585 --> 00:38:51,605
and increase the, the quality, I guess.

860
00:38:51,905 --> 00:38:53,565
And not to say it wasn't great before,

861
00:38:53,585 --> 00:38:55,645
but the whole reason the city did take it on,

862
00:38:56,025 --> 00:38:57,125
one was for the water rights.

863
00:38:57,125 --> 00:38:59,085
And two, because we wanna preserve this

864
00:38:59,085 --> 00:39:00,085
as a community asset.

865
00:39:00,185 --> 00:39:02,245
And, and everybody agreed that if we're going

866
00:39:02,245 --> 00:39:03,485
to do this, we wanna do it right.

867
00:39:04,425 --> 00:39:08,325
And I think that because people haven't applied in the past

868
00:39:08,385 --> 00:39:09,485
or you've had trouble in the past,

869
00:39:09,885 --> 00:39:12,925
I think is is not a good way to approach this

870
00:39:13,105 --> 00:39:16,085
as a Oh well we, we don't know what's gonna happen.

871
00:39:16,105 --> 00:39:17,245
We haven't even put it out there.

872
00:39:18,115 --> 00:39:19,925
It's my understanding, I don't really go up

873
00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:21,445
to the golf course that much, so I don't have

874
00:39:21,485 --> 00:39:22,805
a personal experience with it.

875
00:39:22,805 --> 00:39:26,085
But it's my understanding that the, with the level of work

876
00:39:26,085 --> 00:39:28,525
that's been put into it and the sophistication that the city

877
00:39:28,595 --> 00:39:30,125
with its resources

878
00:39:30,125 --> 00:39:32,285
and ability to manage places

879
00:39:33,065 --> 00:39:35,205
has done at the golf course has improved it

880
00:39:35,295 --> 00:39:36,605
quite effectively.

881
00:39:36,605 --> 00:39:39,405
And I think that next level is the, the, the food

882
00:39:39,405 --> 00:39:42,085
and beverage and the the, with how much money we spend on

883
00:39:42,725 --> 00:39:43,765
beverage carts, right?

884
00:39:43,835 --> 00:39:45,925
Like there needs to be an expectation

885
00:39:46,715 --> 00:39:48,725
that people should compete for

886
00:39:48,725 --> 00:39:51,445
and they should have that opportunity to

887
00:39:52,035 --> 00:39:56,045
present their case based on competition

888
00:39:56,045 --> 00:40:00,045
of things have changed a lot in, in our region, I think.

889
00:40:00,465 --> 00:40:03,165
And, and it may be that no one applies for it,

890
00:40:03,165 --> 00:40:04,605
but then we, we are back to square one.

891
00:40:04,705 --> 00:40:06,245
It this represents our city,

892
00:40:06,355 --> 00:40:09,525
this represents our people and, and who we are.

893
00:40:09,805 --> 00:40:13,685
I think it needs to go out to bid so that the best

894
00:40:13,685 --> 00:40:15,605
of the best can have the opportunity to come in.

895
00:40:17,045 --> 00:40:19,365
I just think that's our responsibility as the owner

896
00:40:19,465 --> 00:40:20,605
of this golf course.

897
00:40:20,785 --> 00:40:24,615
Now I, I think it's important.

898
00:40:24,735 --> 00:40:26,775
I think it, I I said from the beginning it should have

899
00:40:26,895 --> 00:40:28,375
probably gone to rp, but I understand that

900
00:40:28,375 --> 00:40:30,255
that isn't realistic, right?

901
00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:31,695
It wasn't at the time. No.

902
00:40:31,955 --> 00:40:34,615
And, and I get that, but I just think in the matter of,

903
00:40:34,615 --> 00:40:36,055
if we're setting expectations of

904
00:40:36,055 --> 00:40:37,295
what we want from this golf course

905
00:40:37,295 --> 00:40:40,015
and how we're using our money, we should apply it to all

906
00:40:40,525 --> 00:40:42,135
aspects of, of the operation.

907
00:40:42,935 --> 00:40:44,895
I agree totally. And I think

908
00:40:44,895 --> 00:40:47,695
that the council should be involved in that RFP process

909
00:40:47,995 --> 00:40:49,175
and have some guidance

910
00:40:49,355 --> 00:40:51,455
and some oversight into what that looks like

911
00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:56,375
and have a real discussion around what that partnership is.

912
00:40:56,755 --> 00:40:59,895
That's exactly my point. I agree completely.

913
00:41:01,955 --> 00:41:03,745
We're gonna be terminating this

914
00:41:04,285 --> 00:41:08,105
and looking into kind of void as it currently stands.

915
00:41:08,385 --> 00:41:10,545
I don't understand what the RF P's gonna look like. Yeah.

916
00:41:10,545 --> 00:41:11,785
I don't know what profit sharing

917
00:41:11,965 --> 00:41:14,785
and those, those kind of items, how do we

918
00:41:14,805 --> 00:41:17,465
as a council position that thing to be the most successful?

919
00:41:19,375 --> 00:41:21,825
That to me that's the piece

920
00:41:21,965 --> 00:41:23,985
and that's the structure that we should take

921
00:41:24,005 --> 00:41:27,025
as an organization to maximize that asset.

922
00:41:28,165 --> 00:41:31,545
Not, oh, this is an opportunity.

923
00:41:32,165 --> 00:41:34,685
We should put it up for bid. Totally agree.

924
00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:36,845
But how are we gonna do that?

925
00:41:36,985 --> 00:41:38,725
How are we gonna further that opportunity?

926
00:41:38,725 --> 00:41:41,285
Yeah. We have to set the expectations and criteria gets,

927
00:41:41,315 --> 00:41:42,315
Yeah.

928
00:41:42,315 --> 00:41:42,885
It's the whole scope of the,

929
00:41:43,425 --> 00:41:44,565
Of the r And is there,

930
00:41:44,645 --> 00:41:46,165
I don't know if there is an evaluation

931
00:41:46,455 --> 00:41:47,565
piece to this right now.

932
00:41:47,835 --> 00:41:50,725
Like I think I asked if there's any, been any feedback

933
00:41:51,025 --> 00:41:54,125
or surveys, you know, in the business world you have,

934
00:41:56,145 --> 00:41:58,405
you can measure it by certain criteria.

935
00:41:59,545 --> 00:42:01,645
I'm not sure if that is even possible,

936
00:42:01,665 --> 00:42:04,365
but there isn't that mechanism right now to understand

937
00:42:04,365 --> 00:42:06,045
what the community, the, the feedback is your

938
00:42:06,085 --> 00:42:07,485
people's personal experience.

939
00:42:07,585 --> 00:42:11,205
But we don't know a whole wide variety of that.

940
00:42:11,545 --> 00:42:12,685
At least I don't. So

941
00:42:13,145 --> 00:42:15,325
One of the things that I frequently see, and

942
00:42:15,325 --> 00:42:17,485
and Scott maybe you have some experience with this,

943
00:42:17,705 --> 00:42:22,325
but is requesting letters of interest and,

944
00:42:22,585 --> 00:42:27,125
and going through that process to, to evaluate what that is,

945
00:42:28,225 --> 00:42:29,645
you know, what that interest is

946
00:42:29,785 --> 00:42:34,765
and yeah, I I, I agree it should be, hey, bring the best

947
00:42:35,385 --> 00:42:38,565
to the city that you can, who would be interested in it?

948
00:42:40,145 --> 00:42:42,405
You know, maybe there is only one responder.

949
00:42:42,975 --> 00:42:47,085
Maybe that that is a, a reality that we face.

950
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:48,685
I don't, I don't know.

951
00:42:50,625 --> 00:42:53,285
But you know, how do we evaluate and,

952
00:42:53,545 --> 00:42:57,005
and use those processes that are, I I would say commonplace

953
00:42:57,065 --> 00:42:58,085
inside of these spaces.

954
00:42:59,745 --> 00:43:02,125
You know, Karen, I'm sure with your purchasing history

955
00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:03,645
that you guys would see who,

956
00:43:03,945 --> 00:43:06,165
who is interested in bidding on these things

957
00:43:06,225 --> 00:43:08,005
And Well, you don't know until you put it out.

958
00:43:08,425 --> 00:43:10,285
You don't know who the competitors really are.

959
00:43:11,095 --> 00:43:12,205
We're getting bids on all

960
00:43:12,205 --> 00:43:13,445
of our projects that we're doing.

961
00:43:13,455 --> 00:43:15,925
Right? I mean, we're going out to bid on them,

962
00:43:15,925 --> 00:43:17,045
being competitive with them.

963
00:43:17,105 --> 00:43:18,565
We don't see why this would be any different.

964
00:43:18,575 --> 00:43:22,725
We're just saying that you have, we are gonna do that

965
00:43:22,725 --> 00:43:26,245
with the golf course and whoever's there can still

966
00:43:26,615 --> 00:43:28,045
apply and go for it.

967
00:43:28,185 --> 00:43:31,205
Or you can have other people or you might have

968
00:43:31,425 --> 00:43:32,425
No one.

969
00:43:32,425 --> 00:43:34,765
I don't think anybody's saying do that differently. Right.

970
00:43:35,385 --> 00:43:36,485
I'm saying this is a,

971
00:43:36,515 --> 00:43:39,565
like the Brendan Theater, we have a lease with them. Yeah.

972
00:43:39,565 --> 00:43:40,725
It's a little different than this.

973
00:43:41,475 --> 00:43:43,285
They definitely, yeah. I'm

974
00:43:43,285 --> 00:43:45,925
Not like a dollar a Year or something. No, no. It's

975
00:43:46,315 --> 00:43:48,725
Gave us Yeah, 22,000 bucks a Month.

976
00:43:48,835 --> 00:43:51,245
Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, at the time it was market,

977
00:43:51,985 --> 00:43:54,205
it had to be, it couldn't be too market

978
00:43:54,205 --> 00:43:56,445
because of what they're doing for the community.

979
00:43:56,545 --> 00:44:00,605
So I don't think Bren and it's not our theater, it's theirs.

980
00:44:00,605 --> 00:44:01,965
They built it, they own it.

981
00:44:02,315 --> 00:44:03,325
It's just on our land

982
00:44:03,345 --> 00:44:05,805
and they're paying a pretty good lease for the land.

983
00:44:05,905 --> 00:44:07,085
The ground Ground lease.

984
00:44:07,305 --> 00:44:08,605
The ground lease. Yeah. Yeah.

985
00:44:08,985 --> 00:44:12,725
So the, I mean the, the,

986
00:44:12,835 --> 00:44:14,965
this is like a con concession air,

987
00:44:15,525 --> 00:44:16,645
a concession agreement is really

988
00:44:16,645 --> 00:44:17,845
what we're doing with the golf course.

989
00:44:18,505 --> 00:44:20,605
And I mean, state parks do it.

990
00:44:20,605 --> 00:44:24,005
There's a lot of public private partnership.

991
00:44:24,105 --> 00:44:25,725
I'm not, I think they're a contractor.

992
00:44:26,905 --> 00:44:28,485
So there's lots of examples of this.

993
00:44:29,185 --> 00:44:32,605
You don't want to do it. Clin Clint tried it. That's what

994
00:44:32,605 --> 00:44:33,605
I'm Worried about.

995
00:44:34,145 --> 00:44:36,045
And and Austin doesn't want to do it. No.

996
00:44:37,305 --> 00:44:41,485
So, so in terms of the RP,

997
00:44:41,525 --> 00:44:45,405
I do think staff's got a pretty good head start on all this.

998
00:44:45,745 --> 00:44:48,965
And if you approve this letter tonight, you'll have time

999
00:44:49,105 --> 00:44:50,285
to look at the process.

1000
00:44:51,945 --> 00:44:53,165
You don't have too much time

1001
00:44:53,165 --> 00:44:55,765
because whoever gets this is gonna need to start planning

1002
00:44:55,785 --> 00:44:57,085
for next year pretty quickly.

1003
00:44:57,585 --> 00:44:59,165
And the reason it's three years is so

1004
00:44:59,165 --> 00:45:00,405
that they don't have to do this every year.

1005
00:45:00,435 --> 00:45:01,645
It's a lot of instability.

1006
00:45:02,745 --> 00:45:04,245
No one wants to go through that if they don't

1007
00:45:04,245 --> 00:45:05,365
know they can, you know?

1008
00:45:05,425 --> 00:45:07,085
So, and I think that's fair. I think so. Yeah.

1009
00:45:07,085 --> 00:45:09,045
Once you pick someone, you gotta give them. Yes, exactly.

1010
00:45:09,045 --> 00:45:10,925
And that's what I mean, if we are going into,

1011
00:45:10,925 --> 00:45:11,925
this is a big commitment too.

1012
00:45:11,925 --> 00:45:13,165
Yeah. But I think you have time to do that.

1013
00:45:15,055 --> 00:45:17,865
Happy to change our normal process.

1014
00:45:17,865 --> 00:45:20,265
However council would like, I mean I know

1015
00:45:20,325 --> 00:45:21,625
so other places No,

1016
00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:24,145
You're not, you're not gonna set up this RFP like

1017
00:45:24,185 --> 00:45:25,585
a construction job

1018
00:45:25,785 --> 00:45:26,785
RFP.

1019
00:45:26,785 --> 00:45:27,625
Right? It's very different. D

1020
00:45:27,625 --> 00:45:29,385
That's what I'm saying. What is our normal

1021
00:45:29,385 --> 00:45:30,385
Procedure?

1022
00:45:30,385 --> 00:45:31,985
Yeah. So it has very different submittal criteria,

1023
00:45:32,885 --> 00:45:37,465
but you know, it is lots of places could bring this decision

1024
00:45:37,685 --> 00:45:39,825
to counsel like in a workshop.

1025
00:45:39,825 --> 00:45:41,385
These are the five people we got.

1026
00:45:41,605 --> 00:45:43,345
Now you guys are choosing, you know,

1027
00:45:43,725 --> 00:45:45,105
who you'd like to see or not.

1028
00:45:45,805 --> 00:45:47,745
That's not how we've done things in rifle.

1029
00:45:47,975 --> 00:45:49,345
It's generally a staff thing.

1030
00:45:49,655 --> 00:45:52,865
There's staff review of the applications that we received.

1031
00:45:52,965 --> 00:45:54,705
We provide you with recommendation. Yeah.

1032
00:45:54,765 --> 00:45:56,905
And moves forward from there. It'll be based off

1033
00:45:57,055 --> 00:45:58,225
similar criteria.

1034
00:45:59,145 --> 00:46:02,505
I, and I'd have to pull it from the draft that we have.

1035
00:46:02,645 --> 00:46:05,745
But you know, there's identified criteria that we score

1036
00:46:06,675 --> 00:46:08,905
based on the submittal of the application. References

1037
00:46:09,215 --> 00:46:10,215
Also.

1038
00:46:10,215 --> 00:46:12,785
Also, yep. References interview is likely

1039
00:46:12,965 --> 00:46:14,145
the process that's included.

1040
00:46:14,245 --> 00:46:16,465
So it's much more, and we do this

1041
00:46:16,485 --> 00:46:18,345
for professional services regularly.

1042
00:46:18,475 --> 00:46:19,625
Right. So when you're choosing,

1043
00:46:19,645 --> 00:46:20,705
so it's not gonna be a startup business,

1044
00:46:20,705 --> 00:46:22,585
a design firm. I mean you're, you're

1045
00:46:22,995 --> 00:46:26,425
Could be, and I wouldn't, I prob I I think it's so early

1046
00:46:26,965 --> 00:46:30,945
in our, in the city's ownership of this to profit sharing.

1047
00:46:31,165 --> 00:46:33,545
And if, if you, if you try to, it looks like

1048
00:46:33,545 --> 00:46:35,945
that make it too much of a money maker, you don't,

1049
00:46:35,985 --> 00:46:37,145
I don't think you have that information yet.

1050
00:46:37,355 --> 00:46:38,865
Maybe another three years you do.

1051
00:46:38,965 --> 00:46:40,625
And as you're making all these improvements

1052
00:46:40,685 --> 00:46:42,825
and then you have these numbers, then you realize, okay,

1053
00:46:43,085 --> 00:46:44,785
you've got a really sweet deal.

1054
00:46:45,405 --> 00:46:47,225
It is, we're the ones putting all this money

1055
00:46:47,245 --> 00:46:48,385
in to get all these people here.

1056
00:46:48,665 --> 00:46:49,905
And then you may renegotiate it.

1057
00:46:49,905 --> 00:46:52,625
So I, I just think you may not have the information in this

1058
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:55,465
round to maximize Yeah.

1059
00:46:55,815 --> 00:46:56,815
That benefit.

1060
00:46:58,725 --> 00:47:01,065
Do you think that the three year term, you know,

1061
00:47:01,065 --> 00:47:04,425
conventional restaurants are, are hard to run?

1062
00:47:04,685 --> 00:47:07,185
You know, I think that's why we see so many

1063
00:47:07,975 --> 00:47:10,425
food trucks much less capital intensive.

1064
00:47:10,495 --> 00:47:13,985
Yeah. Much. Do, do you think three years, I mean,

1065
00:47:14,095 --> 00:47:15,825
have you seen these, have you negotiated?

1066
00:47:16,005 --> 00:47:17,145
Is three years long enough?

1067
00:47:17,385 --> 00:47:20,025
I think we got that from the current operator.

1068
00:47:20,085 --> 00:47:21,105
That's what they wanted.

1069
00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:22,625
And so we're like, well you're in the industry.

1070
00:47:22,645 --> 00:47:23,705
So we accepted that.

1071
00:47:24,705 --> 00:47:27,145
I think I'd be afraid to go too much further

1072
00:47:27,145 --> 00:47:30,965
because if, if you have a new operator that you don't know

1073
00:47:31,155 --> 00:47:33,045
what, how they're gonna be, so to go

1074
00:47:33,045 --> 00:47:34,765
to five might is a long commitment.

1075
00:47:35,225 --> 00:47:36,765
And then two is probably not long enough.

1076
00:47:36,945 --> 00:47:38,525
So I think that's why we have the three,

1077
00:47:38,525 --> 00:47:39,525
which is a sweet spot.

1078
00:47:39,585 --> 00:47:41,245
And if you get someone you love, then you can

1079
00:47:41,995 --> 00:47:43,285
work from there and, you know,

1080
00:47:43,285 --> 00:47:44,605
and the renewal maybe go for five

1081
00:47:44,665 --> 00:47:46,325
and obviously at performance standards

1082
00:47:46,325 --> 00:47:48,085
where you could call a default and,

1083
00:47:48,085 --> 00:47:50,285
and hold them, you know, to the standards.

1084
00:47:50,745 --> 00:47:52,645
So I, I think three feels about right

1085
00:47:53,745 --> 00:47:55,685
for this next round. I agree.

1086
00:47:56,605 --> 00:47:57,725
I agree. Okay.

1087
00:48:00,545 --> 00:48:02,165
So what would be a motion on this?

1088
00:48:02,305 --> 00:48:03,565
You can enter, you just read it,

1089
00:48:04,545 --> 00:48:06,365
But do we need to make adjustments on it

1090
00:48:06,465 --> 00:48:07,465
Or?

1091
00:48:07,465 --> 00:48:09,605
So the, the only thing that I would like, in addition to,

1092
00:48:09,675 --> 00:48:11,405
well if you, if you vote to

1093
00:48:12,475 --> 00:48:13,725
approve or deny it doesn't matter.

1094
00:48:13,785 --> 00:48:17,565
If you wanna see the RFP, I'd just like direction for that.

1095
00:48:17,565 --> 00:48:18,965
Yeah. Because it's not, it's sort of outside

1096
00:48:18,965 --> 00:48:20,205
of our normal process.

1097
00:48:20,305 --> 00:48:23,085
So can I say it and requesting staff

1098
00:48:23,145 --> 00:48:24,645
to provide counsel with

1099
00:48:24,725 --> 00:48:25,725
Yep.

1100
00:48:25,725 --> 00:48:27,125
Which would probably be at maybe your next meeting or Yeah,

1101
00:48:27,125 --> 00:48:28,125
We'd probably bring it to you.

1102
00:48:28,445 --> 00:48:30,165
'cause it's time. We wanna, we want

1103
00:48:30,165 --> 00:48:32,085
to get it out time if we're gonna do it.

1104
00:48:32,705 --> 00:48:34,005
So it likely would be,

1105
00:48:34,965 --> 00:48:36,965
I can't start the workshop any earlier with

1106
00:48:38,245 --> 00:48:39,245
Actually a workshop.

1107
00:48:39,245 --> 00:48:39,925
It may it a good workshop.

1108
00:48:40,025 --> 00:48:41,805
It probably, it might be a presentation item

1109
00:48:42,035 --> 00:48:44,005
that we just bring to you guys and Yeah.

1110
00:48:44,075 --> 00:48:45,885
Sort of get feedback in,

1111
00:48:45,945 --> 00:48:48,205
in this setting on it. Just because,

1112
00:48:49,105 --> 00:48:50,805
So do you wanna hold It needs to move.

1113
00:48:51,065 --> 00:48:53,925
Do you wanna hold on the 90 day notice until we have this?

1114
00:48:54,385 --> 00:48:56,165
No, you, you need to. Okay.

1115
00:48:56,165 --> 00:48:57,805
You have to decide if, if, if that's what I'm,

1116
00:48:57,805 --> 00:48:59,005
I'm just, do you wanna go to an RFP?

1117
00:48:59,005 --> 00:49:01,725
You need to approve this us sending this letter.

1118
00:49:02,485 --> 00:49:03,965
'cause you want to get like the RFP out

1119
00:49:03,965 --> 00:49:04,965
by like October 1st

1120
00:49:05,245 --> 00:49:06,925
Probably, or no, in October.

1121
00:49:07,545 --> 00:49:08,845
But you need to, you need to send this

1122
00:49:08,845 --> 00:49:09,965
notice under the current lease.

1123
00:49:10,465 --> 00:49:12,845
Yep. So our, That's the important piece. October 1st.

1124
00:49:13,355 --> 00:49:15,205
Well, we have right now This is your last meeting.

1125
00:49:15,385 --> 00:49:17,045
Yep. So you all know This is our

1126
00:49:17,045 --> 00:49:18,445
first, we have a second. Let's,

1127
00:49:18,445 --> 00:49:19,925
Right, we have one more.

1128
00:49:20,065 --> 00:49:23,485
Yes. I, it actually takes a lot of pressure out. Sorry. I

1129
00:49:24,465 --> 00:49:27,005
That's why, that's why Thank you. Sorry.

1130
00:49:27,465 --> 00:49:29,565
That's okay. So right now we,

1131
00:49:29,675 --> 00:49:31,765
what we have sketched out staff in ours.

1132
00:49:32,125 --> 00:49:35,805
Thank you Alexis. Pulled it up is that we would

1133
00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,965
put it out, I think in September 22nd.

1134
00:49:39,965 --> 00:49:42,925
That's not on here. Pre-bid meeting. October 20th.

1135
00:49:44,365 --> 00:49:46,685
Question deadline. So we always have questions in our

1136
00:49:46,885 --> 00:49:48,645
proposals about what people wanna submit

1137
00:49:48,645 --> 00:49:50,565
or not would be October 26th.

1138
00:49:51,585 --> 00:49:53,845
Due date for proposal is November 4th.

1139
00:49:54,425 --> 00:49:56,045
So that's when they would have to submit to us.

1140
00:49:57,045 --> 00:50:00,365
And then the notice of award is December 2nd, which that,

1141
00:50:00,475 --> 00:50:04,205
that piece is longer than we normally do for our process.

1142
00:50:04,825 --> 00:50:07,685
But we anticipate that this will have an interview

1143
00:50:08,175 --> 00:50:10,885
associated with it as well.

1144
00:50:10,985 --> 00:50:12,325
So that's, that's the

1145
00:50:13,305 --> 00:50:16,685
what's scheduled right now in the draft RFP that we have.

1146
00:50:18,265 --> 00:50:20,965
So with an award on December 2nd,

1147
00:50:21,345 --> 00:50:22,765
the holidays mixed in there.

1148
00:50:22,795 --> 00:50:26,445
They've got 20 days, something like that to,

1149
00:50:27,385 --> 00:50:28,725
to vacate the premises

1150
00:50:28,725 --> 00:50:30,885
and get, would we expect the new operator

1151
00:50:30,945 --> 00:50:32,725
to be in there January one?

1152
00:50:33,595 --> 00:50:35,005
It's up to them when they want to open.

1153
00:50:35,835 --> 00:50:39,085
Yeah. They historically no one's we, we don't charge

1154
00:50:39,665 --> 00:50:41,325
during that time period usually

1155
00:50:41,505 --> 00:50:42,765
unless they'd like to be

1156
00:50:43,155 --> 00:50:45,645
operating. So it would be up to them.

1157
00:50:46,115 --> 00:50:48,405
What would be the open date for the new one?

1158
00:50:48,705 --> 00:50:50,605
Oh, I March 1st probably

1159
00:50:50,955 --> 00:50:52,285
When just golfing start.

1160
00:50:52,315 --> 00:50:54,045
Yeah, I'd march. Have to look at on the

1161
00:50:54,045 --> 00:50:55,245
Winter. But's normally around

1162
00:50:55,245 --> 00:50:56,245
The weather.

1163
00:50:56,245 --> 00:50:56,605
It was winter last year.

1164
00:50:59,595 --> 00:51:02,845
Yeah. I'd have to check the, the current lease March 1st.

1165
00:51:03,365 --> 00:51:04,765
I think March is probably when

1166
00:51:04,975 --> 00:51:06,085
we're starting to charge a rent.

1167
00:51:06,515 --> 00:51:08,325
Yeah. And we actually didn't even do that this year

1168
00:51:08,605 --> 00:51:10,325
'cause we didn't buy it until April.

1169
00:51:10,825 --> 00:51:14,045
So I, from staff's perspective,

1170
00:51:14,205 --> 00:51:15,485
I appreciate all your concerns.

1171
00:51:16,015 --> 00:51:18,605
We're, we're working through this as best we can

1172
00:51:18,605 --> 00:51:19,845
after purchasing

1173
00:51:19,865 --> 00:51:22,725
and onboarding a new department starting in April.

1174
00:51:23,305 --> 00:51:26,045
So do we really need to change the motion to do that?

1175
00:51:26,105 --> 00:51:27,405
You just know that we wanna see it

1176
00:51:27,405 --> 00:51:28,845
and it doesn't have to be in the motion, right? Because

1177
00:51:29,025 --> 00:51:30,085
As, as long as everyone,

1178
00:51:30,085 --> 00:51:31,685
What we're trying to do is the 90 day thing right now,

1179
00:51:31,905 --> 00:51:33,085
As long as everyone's, yeah,

1180
00:51:33,105 --> 00:51:34,285
it could be two separate things,

1181
00:51:34,505 --> 00:51:37,925
but as long as you're all good with me bringing the RFP

1182
00:51:37,985 --> 00:51:39,605
and people are interested, I just, it's like

1183
00:51:39,915 --> 00:51:42,085
outside my process generally.

1184
00:51:42,185 --> 00:51:44,565
So that's the only thing. So if everyone's fine with that,

1185
00:51:44,565 --> 00:51:46,725
then I, no one's shaking their head this

1186
00:51:46,725 --> 00:51:47,725
Way.

1187
00:51:47,725 --> 00:51:48,405
I think what you just said was you just,

1188
00:51:48,585 --> 00:51:50,445
you just onboarded a whole new department

1189
00:51:50,445 --> 00:51:52,405
that's completely new to, to staff

1190
00:51:52,625 --> 00:51:55,125
and it's been quite a undertaking going

1191
00:51:55,125 --> 00:51:56,765
through this process, even if it is

1192
00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:58,325
outside your regular processes,

1193
00:51:58,565 --> 00:52:00,645
probably beneficial to everybody.

1194
00:52:01,755 --> 00:52:03,725
Yeah. Yeah. Meaning like, yes.

1195
00:52:03,885 --> 00:52:06,285
I, I think I fully support going through the steps

1196
00:52:06,285 --> 00:52:09,245
and even if it requires a bit more work on our part and,

1197
00:52:09,245 --> 00:52:12,125
and, and staff to, to, to make

1198
00:52:12,125 --> 00:52:13,845
through which make sure that it's,

1199
00:52:14,505 --> 00:52:17,485
And and just to throw one last, the branch.

1200
00:52:17,545 --> 00:52:20,805
So there is time. So the 90 days is October 2nd,

1201
00:52:22,885 --> 00:52:24,745
so that's the, that's the deadline.

1202
00:52:24,805 --> 00:52:28,185
So it would need to be in September for the letter to

1203
00:52:28,185 --> 00:52:29,185
Go.

1204
00:52:29,185 --> 00:52:30,145
Yeah, it needs to be at this meeting or the next meeting.

1205
00:52:30,205 --> 00:52:32,385
But it sounds like you wanna put the RFP out like

1206
00:52:33,185 --> 00:52:35,825
September 22nd, which wouldn't give you very much time if we

1207
00:52:35,825 --> 00:52:37,545
did it our next meeting.

1208
00:52:37,605 --> 00:52:38,945
And I'm fine with doing it at this meeting.

1209
00:52:39,135 --> 00:52:43,105
It's, I'm, I have no problem either way. So

1210
00:52:45,465 --> 00:52:46,825
I, I move to move forward

1211
00:52:46,825 --> 00:52:48,625
with the 90 day non renewal notice

1212
00:52:49,245 --> 00:52:52,625
for the rough LL Cs I.

1213
00:52:58,005 --> 00:52:59,505
We have a motion from Councillor BH Hall

1214
00:52:59,505 --> 00:53:00,745
and a second from Councilor Rice

1215
00:53:00,805 --> 00:53:03,465
to authorize the city manager to sign the 90 day notice

1216
00:53:03,525 --> 00:53:06,905
of non-renewable to the RLLC in accordance

1217
00:53:06,905 --> 00:53:10,505
with the terms of the lease agreement. Mayor House settler.

1218
00:53:10,645 --> 00:53:14,785
No. Councillor Clancy.

1219
00:53:15,205 --> 00:53:18,185
No. Councillor Marsh. Yes.

1220
00:53:20,355 --> 00:53:23,625
Councillor Roberts. Yes. Councillor Rice. Yes.

1221
00:53:23,625 --> 00:53:24,905
Councillor Grassley. Yes.

1222
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:27,925
Councillor Barnhold. Yes. Thank you. Motion passes.

1223
00:53:29,835 --> 00:53:32,325
I'll bring the RFP to you all at the next meeting. Okay.

1224
00:53:32,325 --> 00:53:33,325
That's perfect.

1225
00:53:37,595 --> 00:53:39,205
Okay, now we're ready for a public hearing.

1226
00:53:40,255 --> 00:53:42,525
Sorry about that guys. But it just, I just, oh

1227
00:53:42,525 --> 00:53:43,525
No, I thought that was good.

1228
00:53:43,885 --> 00:53:45,925
Thanks for no things coming

1229
00:53:45,995 --> 00:53:49,325
because I wouldn't have known that was

1230
00:53:50,395 --> 00:53:54,045
Alright, we're gonna, we're gonna have a public hearing

1231
00:53:54,105 --> 00:53:57,365
to consider the rezoning Grand River Hospital District Lots

1232
00:53:57,665 --> 00:53:58,925
and PUD amendment.

1233
00:53:58,955 --> 00:54:03,765
Ordinance number 18 series of 2026 on first reading.

1234
00:54:04,385 --> 00:54:05,725
I'm gonna open the public hearing.

1235
00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:08,765
I'm gonna ask looks like gear to step forward

1236
00:54:09,025 --> 00:54:11,325
and ask him if public notice been met.

1237
00:54:12,105 --> 00:54:14,485
Yes, it has. All right, go ahead

1238
00:54:14,485 --> 00:54:15,605
and give us your presentation

1239
00:54:16,305 --> 00:54:17,305
Now.

1240
00:54:17,305 --> 00:54:18,325
For whatever reason it decided to shut down.

1241
00:54:18,625 --> 00:54:20,325
Oh, just so,

1242
00:54:22,345 --> 00:54:23,725
And actually, mayor, before,

1243
00:54:23,745 --> 00:54:27,885
before we start quickly, I need to recuse myself as a member

1244
00:54:27,885 --> 00:54:31,365
of the Grand River Board of Directors from Issue eight A

1245
00:54:31,465 --> 00:54:32,965
and issue nine A as well.

1246
00:54:33,035 --> 00:54:34,035
Okay.

1247
00:54:34,625 --> 00:54:39,005
You have it saved. He said

1248
00:54:39,005 --> 00:54:40,285
this happens every time.

1249
00:54:49,735 --> 00:54:51,285
Sorry. Sorry. There, it's,

1250
00:54:54,475 --> 00:54:55,885
It's shut the minute I plugged in the

1251
00:54:55,905 --> 00:54:57,165
HD MI it shut us itself off.

1252
00:54:58,535 --> 00:55:01,125
It'll be fine. My computer doesn't like

1253
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,205
council chambers for some reason.

1254
00:55:05,885 --> 00:55:06,885
No HDMI.

1255
00:55:08,105 --> 00:55:10,405
I'm just glad it's on September 2nd. I'm sorry late.

1256
00:55:12,315 --> 00:55:15,925
It's going. It's going now. Apologize

1257
00:55:17,265 --> 00:55:18,365
One of these days. We'll figure it out.

1258
00:55:18,465 --> 00:55:21,565
The eclipsed last week just messed everything up

1259
00:55:32,235 --> 00:55:33,475
Mayor Counsel, what we have

1260
00:55:33,475 --> 00:55:34,875
before you is a rezone application

1261
00:55:34,935 --> 00:55:37,035
for the Grand River Plaza.

1262
00:55:37,265 --> 00:55:40,475
Lots that Grand River Hospital District owns as well as

1263
00:55:41,155 --> 00:55:43,875
amendment to their existing PUD for the hospital campus.

1264
00:55:52,245 --> 00:55:53,495
Alright, well we'll do it that way.

1265
00:55:54,035 --> 00:55:56,335
The applicant in this case is Justin Dip Pietro.

1266
00:55:56,405 --> 00:55:58,335
He's with the Davis Partnership Architects.

1267
00:55:58,335 --> 00:56:00,215
They are, the architects have done most

1268
00:56:00,215 --> 00:56:01,535
of the work over at Grand River.

1269
00:56:01,905 --> 00:56:03,895
Grand River Hospital District is the owner.

1270
00:56:04,555 --> 00:56:07,695
The existing zoning on the hospital is L-A-P-U-D,

1271
00:56:08,455 --> 00:56:10,455
which is light Industrial Planned Development.

1272
00:56:10,835 --> 00:56:14,255
The zoning on the Grand River Plaza lots

1273
00:56:14,255 --> 00:56:15,335
that they own is cs.

1274
00:56:15,885 --> 00:56:19,855
What we're asking for is a rezone from CS on lots one

1275
00:56:19,855 --> 00:56:23,485
through five, seven through 12 to the L-A-P-D-P-U-D

1276
00:56:23,745 --> 00:56:26,685
and amending the existing PUD.

1277
00:56:27,655 --> 00:56:30,805
Right now it's zoned with a height limit of 45 feet.

1278
00:56:32,265 --> 00:56:34,565
The Grand River Plaza lots are zoned.

1279
00:56:34,625 --> 00:56:37,045
Cs as I mentioned, the current

1280
00:56:37,775 --> 00:56:40,085
three story patient wing in the medical a buildings

1281
00:56:40,085 --> 00:56:42,765
currently do exceed the 45 foot height.

1282
00:56:42,765 --> 00:56:44,325
The way we measure currently,

1283
00:56:44,995 --> 00:56:47,645
what this POD amendment will do is bring these two

1284
00:56:48,065 --> 00:56:50,725
or all the buildings on the campus into compliance.

1285
00:56:51,475 --> 00:56:53,605
They are asking for 50 feet

1286
00:56:53,705 --> 00:56:55,965
and this is to accommodate new equipment.

1287
00:56:56,235 --> 00:56:58,325
They need about 15 feet per floor,

1288
00:56:58,855 --> 00:57:00,925
which gets them a minimum of 45.

1289
00:57:00,925 --> 00:57:03,285
And then by the time we get structure in there,

1290
00:57:03,315 --> 00:57:04,605
they need a minimum of 50.

1291
00:57:05,315 --> 00:57:09,085
They are requesting that parapets and so forth be exempt.

1292
00:57:09,265 --> 00:57:11,885
That's all listed in the report here.

1293
00:57:11,885 --> 00:57:15,125
Is this the same map showing the, the lots there is one lot

1294
00:57:15,125 --> 00:57:18,845
that is not a part as in the comprehensive plan

1295
00:57:18,945 --> 00:57:20,005
as community commercial.

1296
00:57:21,025 --> 00:57:22,845
It is in our tier one growth area

1297
00:57:24,025 --> 00:57:25,845
and it is a South rifle neighborhood.

1298
00:57:26,745 --> 00:57:28,565
As you can see here. This is the one parcel

1299
00:57:29,505 --> 00:57:32,445
listed is not a part, so it is owned separately.

1300
00:57:34,545 --> 00:57:36,085
The PUD amendment, as I mentioned,

1301
00:57:36,085 --> 00:57:38,805
will be increasing the height to 50 feet.

1302
00:57:39,785 --> 00:57:43,485
We are asking that the li, I'm sorry,

1303
00:57:43,545 --> 00:57:46,125
the height limitation exemptions be restricted

1304
00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:47,245
or taken out of the code

1305
00:57:47,315 --> 00:57:51,125
because it already exists in our zoning code.

1306
00:57:52,555 --> 00:57:55,485
Quickly. This is the site plan of the existing hospital.

1307
00:57:56,105 --> 00:57:58,405
You can see the proposed medical office building.

1308
00:57:58,425 --> 00:58:00,925
It does cross three property lines.

1309
00:58:01,845 --> 00:58:03,805
They have processed a lot line dissolution

1310
00:58:04,585 --> 00:58:06,765
and that will be recorded.

1311
00:58:07,925 --> 00:58:10,005
Quick note, this is what the building will look like

1312
00:58:10,345 --> 00:58:14,565
as we'd like it from Megan from Airport Road, kind

1313
00:58:14,565 --> 00:58:16,605
of looking towards out last chance

1314
00:58:17,505 --> 00:58:20,125
and airport road looking directly west.

1315
00:58:21,145 --> 00:58:25,125
So we did refer this out to our public works department

1316
00:58:25,125 --> 00:58:27,725
and Colorado Risk, Colorado River Rescue.

1317
00:58:29,785 --> 00:58:31,245
We felt that they were the two entities

1318
00:58:31,245 --> 00:58:34,385
that had the most concerns about the building height.

1319
00:58:35,065 --> 00:58:37,385
Currently, Colorado River does have the equipment

1320
00:58:37,385 --> 00:58:38,985
to handle that height.

1321
00:58:39,015 --> 00:58:41,185
They wouldn't have to do any more equipments.

1322
00:58:41,685 --> 00:58:44,625
And as our Public works director says if as long

1323
00:58:44,625 --> 00:58:45,585
as they're not going in the ground,

1324
00:58:46,085 --> 00:58:47,065
he didn't really worry about it.

1325
00:58:49,405 --> 00:58:51,865
The proposed lot line dissolution will accommodate future

1326
00:58:51,975 --> 00:58:53,905
development of the Grand River Hospital campus.

1327
00:58:54,455 --> 00:58:55,905
This re by removing

1328
00:58:56,485 --> 00:59:00,185
the lot lines it we no longer have the obstacle of needing

1329
00:59:00,185 --> 00:59:03,385
to do future lot line dissolutions and expanding

1330
00:59:03,385 --> 00:59:06,065
and ex amending the existing LIPD will ensure

1331
00:59:06,065 --> 00:59:07,705
that the hospital develops in a cohesive manner.

1332
00:59:08,325 --> 00:59:10,825
And as I mentioned, the staff's only concern is no limited,

1333
00:59:11,485 --> 00:59:13,625
no limitation language for the listed exceptions

1334
00:59:13,625 --> 00:59:14,745
to the height limit.

1335
00:59:15,115 --> 00:59:17,985
These exemptions currently exist in our code

1336
00:59:18,445 --> 00:59:21,205
and approval of that language in the PUD would exempt them

1337
00:59:21,205 --> 00:59:23,925
from future code amendments if we decide that we're going

1338
00:59:23,925 --> 00:59:25,205
to amend that portion.

1339
00:59:25,385 --> 00:59:28,165
So we didn't wanna give them that caveat forever.

1340
00:59:30,025 --> 00:59:31,725
We did go through our standard findings

1341
00:59:31,905 --> 00:59:33,925
and everything, met our tests.

1342
00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:36,885
We are recommending approval.

1343
00:59:37,195 --> 00:59:38,845
Well the planning zoning commission recommended approval

1344
00:59:38,845 --> 00:59:41,645
of the rezone with these conditions.

1345
00:59:41,665 --> 00:59:44,045
All representations made by the applicant in the application

1346
00:59:44,045 --> 00:59:45,765
and during the public hearing shall be conditions

1347
00:59:45,765 --> 00:59:47,565
of approval unless specifically

1348
00:59:47,565 --> 00:59:48,685
altered by the planning commission.

1349
00:59:48,715 --> 00:59:49,765
They didn't alternate anything.

1350
00:59:50,665 --> 00:59:53,085
The applicant shall resolve all referral comments as a part

1351
00:59:53,085 --> 00:59:56,485
of the final ll D plan submittal to the satisfaction of City

1352
00:59:56,485 --> 00:59:58,485
of Rifle and outside reviewing agencies.

1353
00:59:59,805 --> 01:00:03,885
Standard app or condition is applicant shall provide GIS

1354
01:00:03,885 --> 01:00:05,565
information before the final plat is recorded.

1355
01:00:05,955 --> 01:00:08,205
That way Erica can update our GIS layers

1356
01:00:08,905 --> 01:00:11,165
and that we remove the no limitation language

1357
01:00:11,595 --> 01:00:12,685
from the L-I-P-U-D.

1358
01:00:13,465 --> 01:00:15,645
And with that I can answer any questions you may have.

1359
01:00:16,605 --> 01:00:19,765
I saw housing on one of the slides. I I thought I did.

1360
01:00:20,425 --> 01:00:21,565
Is there any housing or anything?

1361
01:00:21,655 --> 01:00:23,645
There is no housing, no. I

1362
01:00:23,645 --> 01:00:25,085
Just thought I saw something there

1363
01:00:25,585 --> 01:00:26,585
On that side of the road.

1364
01:00:26,625 --> 01:00:28,925
Not the, on that side of Megan anyway. Yeah.

1365
01:00:29,745 --> 01:00:33,085
So what we have to the east is vacant

1366
01:00:33,845 --> 01:00:36,725
county land across the street is the Fritz Land

1367
01:00:36,725 --> 01:00:37,965
project if it ever takes off.

1368
01:00:38,075 --> 01:00:39,765
Yeah. As well as the Hampton project.

1369
01:00:40,305 --> 01:00:42,525
Across the street is Walmart and the retail

1370
01:00:42,985 --> 01:00:46,325
and to the south is last chance ditch and vacant land.

1371
01:00:48,025 --> 01:00:49,305
Excellent. Just wanted to make certain there wasn't gonna

1372
01:00:49,305 --> 01:00:51,705
be on the street parked up there with

1373
01:00:51,705 --> 01:00:53,065
that being the truck detour.

1374
01:00:53,165 --> 01:00:55,945
It makes it hard when there's parking on there.

1375
01:00:56,215 --> 01:00:59,625
Yeah, no, there is no parking proposed for Megan.

1376
01:00:59,955 --> 01:01:00,385
Thank you.

1377
01:01:05,745 --> 01:01:07,425
I I'm curious about Megan

1378
01:01:07,685 --> 01:01:12,225
and I know that this doesn't, you know, specifically pertain

1379
01:01:12,225 --> 01:01:16,305
to this rezone, but you know, with the increased traffic

1380
01:01:16,685 --> 01:01:21,365
and the turn turning lanes coming in

1381
01:01:21,465 --> 01:01:26,365
and out of Megan can kind of be an ordeal, especially

1382
01:01:26,425 --> 01:01:30,685
for larger equipment, larger vehicles,

1383
01:01:31,645 --> 01:01:33,325
specifically turning south onto Megan.

1384
01:01:36,425 --> 01:01:38,765
Is there, you know, is there any risk

1385
01:01:38,865 --> 01:01:41,445
of us losing the ability to widen Megan

1386
01:01:41,825 --> 01:01:45,165
or make a turn lane there later on

1387
01:01:46,265 --> 01:01:48,605
in the development by, by doing this?

1388
01:01:50,185 --> 01:01:52,125
The traffic studies to the best of my knowledge,

1389
01:01:52,125 --> 01:01:54,365
did not show any concerns in that regard.

1390
01:01:54,425 --> 01:01:57,645
And Craig, our public works director would've noted

1391
01:01:57,645 --> 01:01:58,765
that had that been

1392
01:01:58,765 --> 01:01:59,765
A concern.

1393
01:01:59,765 --> 01:01:59,885
And I don't think I agree with Michael.

1394
01:02:00,125 --> 01:02:01,885
I think it's already a difficult turn.

1395
01:02:02,195 --> 01:02:04,045
It's Horrible and it's bad.

1396
01:02:04,105 --> 01:02:07,005
And once that building the new hospital building is there

1397
01:02:07,105 --> 01:02:09,805
and the increase in traffic, it's only gonna get worse.

1398
01:02:11,155 --> 01:02:15,285
Yeah. Yeah. Try driving an FF two 50 around that corner

1399
01:02:15,465 --> 01:02:16,605
and you're out into the

1400
01:02:16,605 --> 01:02:17,605
Traffic.

1401
01:02:17,605 --> 01:02:18,885
If, if all the cars are in there traffic, you can't,

1402
01:02:18,885 --> 01:02:19,925
you wouldn't be able to turn.

1403
01:02:20,445 --> 01:02:22,565
I I'm not saying that all of Megan would need

1404
01:02:22,565 --> 01:02:26,685
to be expanded, but I think turning lanes right there at

1405
01:02:26,685 --> 01:02:28,245
that corner need to be looked at.

1406
01:02:29,105 --> 01:02:30,805
I'm not sure what a traffic study showed,

1407
01:02:30,865 --> 01:02:33,565
but we drive it, I drive it frequently

1408
01:02:34,505 --> 01:02:36,045
And we can make that a condition of approval

1409
01:02:36,045 --> 01:02:37,645
that they readdress that before.

1410
01:02:37,905 --> 01:02:39,525
Yes. We do the final

1411
01:02:39,525 --> 01:02:40,525
Flight.

1412
01:02:40,525 --> 01:02:40,765
I think we need to,

1413
01:02:42,115 --> 01:02:44,925
Like I say that is a, a truck route for the county.

1414
01:02:45,685 --> 01:02:48,685
'cause you can't take the wide loads through

1415
01:02:49,585 --> 01:02:50,585
Oh Right.

1416
01:02:50,585 --> 01:02:51,325
Pass the CDOT shop there.

1417
01:02:54,425 --> 01:02:56,485
Is that part of this, I guess

1418
01:02:57,765 --> 01:02:58,765
I agree with these guys.

1419
01:02:58,875 --> 01:03:01,405
It's not part we're talking about right now. How do

1420
01:03:01,405 --> 01:03:04,085
We, how do we raise that concern

1421
01:03:04,225 --> 01:03:06,045
but in, in the appropriate

1422
01:03:07,155 --> 01:03:08,205
Yeah. How do we get that place?

1423
01:03:09,145 --> 01:03:11,125
The, the project itself has been approved

1424
01:03:11,225 --> 01:03:12,485
and permitted already, right?

1425
01:03:12,905 --> 01:03:14,765
No, no. That's what, that's

1426
01:03:14,885 --> 01:03:16,925
what this is that needs this zoning. This

1427
01:03:16,925 --> 01:03:18,205
Is just the last part, but the,

1428
01:03:18,215 --> 01:03:22,125
we're not talking about turning lanes right now and the,

1429
01:03:22,185 --> 01:03:25,005
and the p and z hasn't brought up turning lanes this entire

1430
01:03:25,005 --> 01:03:26,005
Time.

1431
01:03:26,005 --> 01:03:27,685
Right. And the, you've started the review

1432
01:03:27,685 --> 01:03:29,845
of the site plan approval already. Yeah.

1433
01:03:29,845 --> 01:03:32,165
They have submitted their building plans.

1434
01:03:32,865 --> 01:03:35,245
We have not approved them as of yet because we need this,

1435
01:03:35,475 --> 01:03:37,165
Because that's what would trigger it.

1436
01:03:37,345 --> 01:03:39,685
And I, but I think it's been looked at even

1437
01:03:39,685 --> 01:03:40,845
though it's not approved.

1438
01:03:41,435 --> 01:03:44,805
Yeah. If, if the project doesn't require

1439
01:03:45,585 --> 01:03:46,725
the improvement then,

1440
01:03:46,935 --> 01:03:48,645
which I haven't heard anything about that.

1441
01:03:49,905 --> 01:03:53,765
And, and our public works director is very familiar

1442
01:03:53,835 --> 01:03:57,165
with the Megan intersection being substandard.

1443
01:03:57,425 --> 01:03:59,645
So I was not here,

1444
01:03:59,665 --> 01:04:02,565
but speaking for him, I assume that that would be something

1445
01:04:02,565 --> 01:04:04,085
that he would've had reviewed

1446
01:04:04,645 --> 01:04:06,125
to make sure there's adequate right of way

1447
01:04:06,545 --> 01:04:07,845
to make sure we have a turning lane.

1448
01:04:07,905 --> 01:04:10,165
But I don't have that from him for sure.

1449
01:04:10,385 --> 01:04:14,245
So if we approve this, are we negating ourselves

1450
01:04:14,265 --> 01:04:16,485
of being able to add in the turning lane later?

1451
01:04:21,265 --> 01:04:22,885
If you want the hospital pay for it,

1452
01:04:23,865 --> 01:04:24,865
Of course we can.

1453
01:04:25,525 --> 01:04:26,765
Then you can.

1454
01:04:27,875 --> 01:04:30,325
Well what we're just rezoning it right now. We're not

1455
01:04:31,265 --> 01:04:34,325
But the rezones gonna allow the site plan app appro.

1456
01:04:34,325 --> 01:04:35,645
Right. I guess you could still get it

1457
01:04:35,645 --> 01:04:39,365
with the site plan approval because if it, if it triggers a,

1458
01:04:39,445 --> 01:04:41,285
a traffic need, then you can require

1459
01:04:41,285 --> 01:04:42,365
them to build the improvements.

1460
01:04:42,825 --> 01:04:46,525
We will have public works review the site

1461
01:04:46,625 --> 01:04:48,925
or the construction package before it's approved.

1462
01:04:49,385 --> 01:04:50,765
So they will have to sign off on it

1463
01:04:50,765 --> 01:04:52,885
and we can bring those concerns up to Craig.

1464
01:04:53,425 --> 01:04:56,045
So you guys are talking about the right turn when you get

1465
01:04:56,045 --> 01:04:58,445
to the end of Megan, not the left turn with the stop, right?

1466
01:04:58,465 --> 01:05:00,525
No, no, no. Like if you turn right next to the Hampton

1467
01:05:00,705 --> 01:05:04,645
to go to the back of the hospital airport south onto turn.

1468
01:05:04,865 --> 01:05:07,725
Oh, just the turn onto Megan. Yes. The left hand.

1469
01:05:07,755 --> 01:05:08,845
Even when you come out and then

1470
01:05:08,845 --> 01:05:10,605
Change and even when you come out, it's,

1471
01:05:10,675 --> 01:05:11,925
it's, it's very narrow.

1472
01:05:12,075 --> 01:05:13,645
It's challenge, it's super narrow right now.

1473
01:05:14,565 --> 01:05:15,725
I think it would be cool if all the

1474
01:05:15,725 --> 01:05:16,765
parking lots were connected.

1475
01:05:17,845 --> 01:05:19,245
'cause this new parking lot's not gonna

1476
01:05:19,245 --> 01:05:20,285
be connected for the rest of it.

1477
01:05:20,285 --> 01:05:21,605
Yeah. And that's kind of crazy. Rest of the Grand

1478
01:05:21,605 --> 01:05:23,245
River complex.

1479
01:05:23,385 --> 01:05:25,085
So if you're like going from one building

1480
01:05:25,145 --> 01:05:29,165
to another building in the complex, like, hey here,

1481
01:05:29,165 --> 01:05:30,605
we're gonna send you over here for this

1482
01:05:30,705 --> 01:05:32,365
or send you over here for an x-ray or,

1483
01:05:32,585 --> 01:05:35,805
and I don't know how all that's gonna work there, but like

1484
01:05:36,115 --> 01:05:38,165
Yeah, there's a driveway Right there. There

1485
01:05:38,165 --> 01:05:39,725
Is a connection on the south side of the building.

1486
01:05:40,425 --> 01:05:42,525
Oh, there is? Okay. Okay. I got it.

1487
01:05:42,525 --> 01:05:43,525
I couldn't see it on that other one.

1488
01:05:44,565 --> 01:05:46,365
I think that really helps a lot. I'm just talking about the

1489
01:05:46,365 --> 01:05:48,245
With way you guys are talking Right. Turn off of

1490
01:05:48,475 --> 01:05:49,475
Airport.

1491
01:05:49,475 --> 01:05:52,005
You can still come, but you can still come into the main

1492
01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,245
entrance of the hospital, cut across the

1493
01:05:54,245 --> 01:05:55,685
parking lot and get over there. Yeah.

1494
01:05:55,685 --> 01:05:56,965
Right. That's the way I get

1495
01:05:57,185 --> 01:05:58,445
to everywhere on that complex. I

1496
01:05:58,445 --> 01:05:59,445
Complex.

1497
01:05:59,445 --> 01:06:00,205
I mean if you're going to physical therapy right now,

1498
01:06:00,405 --> 01:06:02,045
I realize that that's gonna be in the new building.

1499
01:06:02,185 --> 01:06:03,765
But you have to turn down Megan, you have

1500
01:06:03,765 --> 01:06:05,325
to go back down to the back of the hospital.

1501
01:06:05,585 --> 01:06:07,125
And if there's, I'm

1502
01:06:07,125 --> 01:06:08,805
Not sure what you would do to that to,

1503
01:06:08,865 --> 01:06:10,405
to make that left hand.

1504
01:06:10,605 --> 01:06:12,085
I understand the right hand turn if you put

1505
01:06:12,085 --> 01:06:13,365
like a turning lane in there.

1506
01:06:13,475 --> 01:06:15,445
Yeah. And that might help the left hand

1507
01:06:15,445 --> 01:06:16,885
turn if there's actually a turning. Yeah. If

1508
01:06:16,945 --> 01:06:17,945
The whole thing is wider.

1509
01:06:18,465 --> 01:06:20,045
Yep. It's it's all about the

1510
01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:23,165
the the intersection is very 90 degrees.

1511
01:06:23,355 --> 01:06:25,605
Yeah. Is the problem. Very not right.

1512
01:06:26,245 --> 01:06:27,485
A lot of turning radius there.

1513
01:06:29,785 --> 01:06:33,805
It the airport road right of way just pulling it up is,

1514
01:06:34,145 --> 01:06:35,205
is wide.

1515
01:06:36,105 --> 01:06:38,565
So that helps for the turf. And Megan is not off airport.

1516
01:06:38,565 --> 01:06:40,285
Megan is, and Megan is not Megan's narrow,

1517
01:06:41,065 --> 01:06:44,685
but I think it's not necessarily the issue of the right it.

1518
01:06:45,255 --> 01:06:47,165
Right. I'm sort of getting outside my scope,

1519
01:06:47,545 --> 01:06:51,965
but I assume that Craig's looked at,

1520
01:06:52,765 --> 01:06:55,165
I think the challenge is we are at a position

1521
01:06:55,165 --> 01:06:58,325
where we don't want to miss out on our opportunity

1522
01:06:58,585 --> 01:07:00,605
to make sure we highlight exactly this need.

1523
01:07:00,635 --> 01:07:03,325
Exactly. And get too far beyond without bringing it up.

1524
01:07:03,385 --> 01:07:05,325
So if there is another step,

1525
01:07:06,425 --> 01:07:07,525
If we have another, there's

1526
01:07:07,525 --> 01:07:10,165
A, there's a building permit issuance is the next step.

1527
01:07:10,225 --> 01:07:11,565
Yes. And that will come before us.

1528
01:07:11,875 --> 01:07:13,845
Doesn't catch that won't come before us. See as

1529
01:07:13,845 --> 01:07:14,845
Long.

1530
01:07:14,845 --> 01:07:15,245
It's just gonna go to planning. Right.

1531
01:07:15,245 --> 01:07:16,285
Need to, so right now you're,

1532
01:07:16,285 --> 01:07:17,525
you first reading of the ordinance.

1533
01:07:17,525 --> 01:07:18,725
If you wanna act on it, you can,

1534
01:07:18,725 --> 01:07:19,965
there's still a second reading, which

1535
01:07:19,965 --> 01:07:21,005
by then we'll have talked to Craig

1536
01:07:21,345 --> 01:07:22,405
and have a lot more information

1537
01:07:23,945 --> 01:07:25,605
and can bring that up on second

1538
01:07:25,605 --> 01:07:27,445
reading if there is a problem.

1539
01:07:27,585 --> 01:07:29,365
But we also have the site plan approval,

1540
01:07:29,455 --> 01:07:32,965
which is a building permit, which the code requires them to

1541
01:07:33,525 --> 01:07:35,885
construct and needed improvements if that

1542
01:07:37,515 --> 01:07:41,165
project triggers it. Doubtful.

1543
01:07:41,385 --> 01:07:44,805
Yep. There's a lot of stuff already there,

1544
01:07:46,025 --> 01:07:47,445
but if this pushes it over the edge,

1545
01:07:49,035 --> 01:07:51,165
It's a pretty good increase in traffic I would assume.

1546
01:07:51,165 --> 01:07:53,285
Yeah. Yeah. There's, it'd Be huge.

1547
01:07:54,645 --> 01:07:55,645
I mean That

1548
01:07:55,645 --> 01:07:56,645
Should be the triggering point,

1549
01:07:56,975 --> 01:07:57,975
Right?

1550
01:07:57,975 --> 01:07:59,885
We're going down Late, the percentage increase based on

1551
01:07:59,885 --> 01:08:01,085
the overall hospital traffic.

1552
01:08:01,275 --> 01:08:02,485
It's small.

1553
01:08:02,675 --> 01:08:04,085
Yeah. That's what I'm, yeah.

1554
01:08:04,535 --> 01:08:06,725
Craig, Craig did go through this analysis

1555
01:08:06,745 --> 01:08:11,685
and we talked about the, the intersection being improved and

1556
01:08:11,965 --> 01:08:13,365
'cause we, this was brought up

1557
01:08:14,125 --> 01:08:16,845
previously about should Megan be improved or not with this

1558
01:08:16,845 --> 01:08:17,765
Project, even back when

1559
01:08:17,765 --> 01:08:19,565
we were talking about FirstLine, right? FirstLine,

1560
01:08:20,365 --> 01:08:21,205
Yeah. We even definitely talked

1561
01:08:22,185 --> 01:08:24,085
Likely then, but I wasn't here for that.

1562
01:08:24,145 --> 01:08:26,565
But we've talked about it for this project specifically.

1563
01:08:26,865 --> 01:08:29,885
And the numbers that were produced from this project didn't

1564
01:08:29,885 --> 01:08:32,165
warrant the hospital paying

1565
01:08:32,185 --> 01:08:34,565
for any additional improvement to this intersection.

1566
01:08:34,805 --> 01:08:36,765
I think that was the same with Fritz. Yeah. Yeah.

1567
01:08:37,085 --> 01:08:40,525
I just, so while we understand that there's, you know,

1568
01:08:40,535 --> 01:08:42,005
maybe it's not the best intersection.

1569
01:08:42,505 --> 01:08:44,485
It it, Craig didn't see this

1570
01:08:44,625 --> 01:08:46,485
as the hospital being the trigger

1571
01:08:46,545 --> 01:08:47,965
to make the improvement on Megan.

1572
01:08:48,035 --> 01:08:49,845
It's already bad. So it's,

1573
01:08:49,925 --> 01:08:52,165
I know it's already bad the way it is right now. So

1574
01:08:52,515 --> 01:08:55,405
They will be paying all of their standard impact fees

1575
01:08:55,545 --> 01:08:57,005
to the street fund, which,

1576
01:08:57,105 --> 01:08:59,085
So then in the future it's gonna be on the city to,

1577
01:08:59,145 --> 01:09:00,325
to widen that portion.

1578
01:09:00,945 --> 01:09:03,645
It wouldn't be all of Megan. It's only that turning portion.

1579
01:09:04,545 --> 01:09:05,645
And it, it is the reason

1580
01:09:05,665 --> 01:09:07,445
for our street impact fees is the,

1581
01:09:07,505 --> 01:09:10,685
if you aren't causing the entirety of the problem that you

1582
01:09:10,685 --> 01:09:11,925
Had Yeah. Oh yeah. Pay

1583
01:09:11,925 --> 01:09:14,765
Off your for future improvements.

1584
01:09:14,765 --> 01:09:15,765
That one's tough to say.

1585
01:09:15,835 --> 01:09:17,565
Obviously there's a lot going on over there.

1586
01:09:17,565 --> 01:09:18,685
It's not just the hospital

1587
01:09:20,345 --> 01:09:22,765
And Any, anybody that's here from Grand River tonight,

1588
01:09:22,785 --> 01:09:24,245
we really want this project to happen.

1589
01:09:24,605 --> 01:09:26,485
I just, it's just we're just Yeah.

1590
01:09:26,625 --> 01:09:28,285
I'm talking about and we're talking, and right now we're

1591
01:09:28,605 --> 01:09:31,405
talking about allowing a 50 foot Yeah.

1592
01:09:31,405 --> 01:09:33,805
That, Yeah. A five foot raise in the,

1593
01:09:33,865 --> 01:09:36,165
and I think we should probably just stick to that right now.

1594
01:09:36,225 --> 01:09:37,225
And,

1595
01:09:37,545 --> 01:09:39,685
But, but I wanna understand, is this a,

1596
01:09:39,875 --> 01:09:40,885
like this is a concern.

1597
01:09:40,885 --> 01:09:42,445
Let let our staff take care of the rest of it.

1598
01:09:42,715 --> 01:09:45,725
Yeah. We, I'm asking of Jim, I guess like

1599
01:09:46,795 --> 01:09:48,285
Yeah, I mean there's the building permit

1600
01:09:48,285 --> 01:09:49,565
issuance, right? Yeah.

1601
01:09:49,565 --> 01:09:51,525
You, I I just went through this. I'll go through it again.

1602
01:09:51,585 --> 01:09:53,125
You can. No, I know. I just That's

1603
01:09:53,125 --> 01:09:54,165
what making clear. Yeah.

1604
01:09:54,165 --> 01:09:56,445
And I mean these kind

1605
01:09:56,445 --> 01:09:58,445
of decisions are difficult like this.

1606
01:09:58,545 --> 01:09:59,925
And I know that you want it fixed,

1607
01:10:00,145 --> 01:10:03,125
but we, we have professional staff that's looking at it

1608
01:10:03,125 --> 01:10:04,525
and doing it lawfully

1609
01:10:04,945 --> 01:10:07,605
and I don't want an arbitrary capricious decision

1610
01:10:07,605 --> 01:10:10,765
to just go flying out from your DAAs on us.

1611
01:10:10,955 --> 01:10:14,405
Yeah. So, but you can take action on this

1612
01:10:14,405 --> 01:10:15,725
ordinance on first reading.

1613
01:10:16,225 --> 01:10:18,365
We will get Craig here for second reading.

1614
01:10:18,455 --> 01:10:20,205
We'll not put it on your consent agenda.

1615
01:10:20,705 --> 01:10:22,925
And you also have, that's the rezoning

1616
01:10:22,925 --> 01:10:23,965
that allows this to happen.

1617
01:10:24,465 --> 01:10:27,085
And then you also have the site plan approval building

1618
01:10:27,085 --> 01:10:30,925
permit, which the RIF municipal code requires any offsite

1619
01:10:31,235 --> 01:10:33,805
impacts to be mitigated as part of their project.

1620
01:10:34,995 --> 01:10:37,765
However, I'm just letting you know there's a really good

1621
01:10:37,765 --> 01:10:41,445
chance that this increase isn't going to be enough

1622
01:10:41,445 --> 01:10:43,365
to put this on the hospital as much

1623
01:10:43,365 --> 01:10:45,485
as we have a problem. I see what you're saying. And

1624
01:10:45,835 --> 01:10:47,005
That, and that's okay.

1625
01:10:47,045 --> 01:10:50,605
I just wanted, I think knowing that is helpful Good

1626
01:10:50,875 --> 01:10:52,885
with this in my opinion. Yeah.

1627
01:10:53,545 --> 01:10:57,725
Is there any other questions from Council for Gear?

1628
01:10:58,715 --> 01:11:02,335
Do we have any comments

1629
01:11:02,675 --> 01:11:03,935
or questions from the public?

1630
01:11:09,155 --> 01:11:14,005
Oh, man. All right. I'm gonna close the public hearing.

1631
01:11:15,385 --> 01:11:17,725
Any other discussion from the council on this?

1632
01:11:20,185 --> 01:11:23,365
Yes. We not hearing. I would entertain a motion.

1633
01:11:24,795 --> 01:11:28,125
It's not sure. I'll move to approve rezoning a portion

1634
01:11:28,145 --> 01:11:31,205
of Grand River Hospital District lots, one through five

1635
01:11:31,545 --> 01:11:33,325
and seven through 12 in the amendment

1636
01:11:33,425 --> 01:11:37,085
to the Grand River Health PUD ordinance number 18 series

1637
01:11:37,105 --> 01:11:40,525
of 2026 on first reading as presented

1638
01:11:40,865 --> 01:11:43,645
and ordered, published as char required by charter.

1639
01:11:44,065 --> 01:11:48,885
Second We have a motion from Councilor Clancy

1640
01:11:48,885 --> 01:11:50,365
and the second from Councillor Marsh

1641
01:11:50,865 --> 01:11:52,325
to approve rezoning portion

1642
01:11:52,345 --> 01:11:54,325
of Grand River Hospital District lots.

1643
01:11:54,325 --> 01:11:56,005
One through five and seven through 12.

1644
01:11:56,385 --> 01:11:58,845
And the amendment to the Grand River Health PUD ordinance

1645
01:11:58,845 --> 01:12:02,725
number 18 series of 2026 on first reading as presented

1646
01:12:02,905 --> 01:12:04,285
and ordered, published as required

1647
01:12:04,285 --> 01:12:05,845
by Charter Councillor Grassley.

1648
01:12:06,145 --> 01:12:10,245
Yes. Councillor Clancy. Yes. Councillor Roberts. Yes.

1649
01:12:10,335 --> 01:12:13,005
Mayor ha Settler. Yes. Councillor Marsh. Yes.

1650
01:12:13,005 --> 01:12:14,445
Councillor Bool. Yes.

1651
01:12:14,535 --> 01:12:15,965
Thank You. Motion passes.

1652
01:12:18,685 --> 01:12:21,905
Thanks. Gear. You stand here. Yeah. We have another.

1653
01:12:22,125 --> 01:12:23,625
All right. Regular agenda item nine.

1654
01:12:23,705 --> 01:12:28,265
A consider approving the vacation of right of way

1655
01:12:28,325 --> 01:12:30,545
and easements within the Grand River Health

1656
01:12:31,265 --> 01:12:34,825
District campus Ordinance number 19 series of 2026.

1657
01:12:35,395 --> 01:12:36,395
First reading.

1658
01:12:37,125 --> 01:12:40,105
So mayor and council, with the lot line dissolution,

1659
01:12:40,475 --> 01:12:41,905
there are multiple easements

1660
01:12:41,965 --> 01:12:44,665
and rights of way that are no longer necessary to

1661
01:12:45,225 --> 01:12:46,585
function with this project.

1662
01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:50,425
When we do record the lot line dissolution,

1663
01:12:50,565 --> 01:12:53,545
new easements will be recorded with the plat.

1664
01:12:53,545 --> 01:12:55,305
That makes sense. And that we will work with the project

1665
01:13:03,895 --> 01:13:04,675
And Yeah. And we,

1666
01:13:04,975 --> 01:13:06,395
Its continuation of what we just did,

1667
01:13:06,395 --> 01:13:07,395
Right?

1668
01:13:07,395 --> 01:13:07,995
Yeah. And it's just cleaning it all up.

1669
01:13:07,995 --> 01:13:09,715
And we, we do have the applicant here if there's any

1670
01:13:09,915 --> 01:13:11,235
specific questions, I don't think they're gonna be able

1671
01:13:11,235 --> 01:13:12,955
to answer all those traffic questions. Right?

1672
01:13:13,715 --> 01:13:15,555
I Don't think so. But, but if you have any questions

1673
01:13:15,555 --> 01:13:19,395
about the project itself, you,

1674
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:20,475
you do have an applicant here.

1675
01:13:20,905 --> 01:13:22,355
Kind of a continuous Yeah.

1676
01:13:23,385 --> 01:13:25,715
I'll wing it. It's not only screen,

1677
01:13:25,775 --> 01:13:28,555
but make a motion to approve the vacation of the right

1678
01:13:28,555 --> 01:13:30,715
of way and easements within ground.

1679
01:13:30,885 --> 01:13:32,475
Grand River Health District.

1680
01:13:32,475 --> 01:13:34,715
Campus ordinance number 19, series

1681
01:13:34,735 --> 01:13:36,555
of 2026 on the first reading

1682
01:13:39,575 --> 01:13:42,515
As presented and ordered, published by, by Chad.

1683
01:13:43,575 --> 01:13:47,635
I'm just making sure Alexis has it. I know you did.

1684
01:13:47,655 --> 01:13:48,675
I'm trying to help you. You

1685
01:13:48,675 --> 01:13:49,955
Still need a second? Sorry.

1686
01:13:49,955 --> 01:13:51,635
Second. Second. Oh, sorry.

1687
01:13:51,865 --> 01:13:53,515
It's okay. I was just trying to help.

1688
01:13:53,775 --> 01:13:55,115
We have a motion from Councillor Marsh

1689
01:13:55,535 --> 01:13:57,675
and a second from Councilor Grassley to approve the vacation

1690
01:13:57,735 --> 01:13:59,595
of right away and easements within the

1691
01:13:59,595 --> 01:14:01,035
Grand River Health District campus.

1692
01:14:01,065 --> 01:14:03,035
It's pretty official. Ordinance number 19 series

1693
01:14:03,035 --> 01:14:05,995
of 2026 on first reading as presented

1694
01:14:06,015 --> 01:14:07,515
and ordered, published as required

1695
01:14:07,515 --> 01:14:09,155
by Charter Councillor Grassley.

1696
01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:12,605
Yes. Councillor Bhu. Yes. Mayor Hostettler. Yes.

1697
01:14:12,605 --> 01:14:15,365
Councillor Clancy. Yes. Councillor Roberts. Yes.

1698
01:14:15,365 --> 01:14:18,005
Councillor Marsh. Yes. Councillor Rice.

1699
01:14:19,005 --> 01:14:20,565
I recused. Okay.

1700
01:14:22,615 --> 01:14:26,485
Thank you. Sorry, I didn't mean No, you're

1701
01:14:27,155 --> 01:14:28,155
Okay.

1702
01:14:28,305 --> 01:14:32,005
The gr Grand River's done for now. All right.

1703
01:14:32,945 --> 01:14:35,445
But you will, we'll keep second reading Yep.

1704
01:14:35,825 --> 01:14:38,285
On, on the regular agenda on both those

1705
01:14:38,285 --> 01:14:39,445
ordinances 'cause they go together.

1706
01:14:39,595 --> 01:14:40,605
Okay. For your next meeting

1707
01:14:41,305 --> 01:14:45,525
and we'll get, we worked really hard on have Craig come

1708
01:14:45,545 --> 01:14:47,565
and answer questions. Yep. Okay.

1709
01:14:48,395 --> 01:14:50,965
Okay. Item nine B,

1710
01:14:51,205 --> 01:14:54,965
consider relocating expired city water tap associated

1711
01:14:54,965 --> 01:14:57,165
with booms place water tank.

1712
01:15:00,275 --> 01:15:01,325
Good evening, mayor. Counsel.

1713
01:15:01,545 --> 01:15:06,085
So tonight we have an agreement that was entered into

1714
01:15:06,665 --> 01:15:10,765
by the city in 2002 that allocated

1715
01:15:11,645 --> 01:15:15,525
a number of easements for the water tank up at Boom's Place

1716
01:15:17,025 --> 01:15:18,565
in exchange for those easements.

1717
01:15:19,105 --> 01:15:23,725
The city granted the owner for water taps.

1718
01:15:25,335 --> 01:15:27,885
Three of those water taps have been utilized to date.

1719
01:15:29,145 --> 01:15:31,605
One had been expired

1720
01:15:31,625 --> 01:15:36,285
as there was a time limit set on the water tap tap usage.

1721
01:15:37,585 --> 01:15:39,805
And we have an applicant who has requested

1722
01:15:39,915 --> 01:15:43,685
that the fourth water tap be reinstated for use

1723
01:15:44,265 --> 01:15:45,725
in the county at the property.

1724
01:15:50,065 --> 01:15:50,405
I'm here.

1725
01:15:54,965 --> 01:15:57,705
Hi. My wife and I, our Fran and Lisa Oroz,

1726
01:15:58,085 --> 01:16:00,465
and we had just bought this property from Chuck Karen

1727
01:16:00,965 --> 01:16:05,825
and Chuck was trying to get this water tap reinstated so

1728
01:16:05,825 --> 01:16:09,065
that we could have water to the property from the city.

1729
01:16:09,725 --> 01:16:11,345
And Chuck got sick.

1730
01:16:11,885 --> 01:16:15,065
And so we have taken this on from him.

1731
01:16:15,095 --> 01:16:17,185
He's one of my customers and he's a good friend.

1732
01:16:17,685 --> 01:16:19,345
And so I told him I would take this on

1733
01:16:19,405 --> 01:16:22,625
and see if you guys would be willing to reinstate that tap

1734
01:16:22,925 --> 01:16:27,225
so that we can start to build up there for a garage

1735
01:16:27,225 --> 01:16:29,665
that we want to build in a house for our kids.

1736
01:16:31,765 --> 01:16:34,665
But the the, the water tap itself isn't in question.

1737
01:16:34,695 --> 01:16:36,265
It's whether they're being charged

1738
01:16:36,285 --> 01:16:37,345
for the water tap, right? Yep.

1739
01:16:37,415 --> 01:16:39,105
Yeah, yeah.

1740
01:16:39,105 --> 01:16:41,785
We have, we have the availability of water up there.

1741
01:16:44,245 --> 01:16:47,105
What's the water tank easement like?

1742
01:16:48,205 --> 01:16:49,345
What's that part of this?

1743
01:16:49,765 --> 01:16:51,345
I'm, I'm not sure that I understand that.

1744
01:16:51,605 --> 01:16:53,785
The northeast tank, correct? Yeah.

1745
01:16:53,785 --> 01:16:54,945
There's a water tank up there.

1746
01:16:55,555 --> 01:16:59,745
There is. And we're not, not disrupting that easement

1747
01:17:00,095 --> 01:17:01,745
that we got that put in place.

1748
01:17:01,745 --> 01:17:03,625
Yeah. In exchange for this water tap.

1749
01:17:03,805 --> 01:17:05,945
Yep. There, yeah, there's there all

1750
01:17:05,945 --> 01:17:07,345
of the infrastructure exists.

1751
01:17:07,375 --> 01:17:11,605
Currently we're using the easements that we created back,

1752
01:17:11,985 --> 01:17:14,405
you know, 20 some years ago.

1753
01:17:15,625 --> 01:17:19,885
And so this is a, basically, at that time it was stated,

1754
01:17:21,245 --> 01:17:26,005
I think it was 15 years is what they had from the time of

1755
01:17:26,515 --> 01:17:30,445
recordation of the, of the water tap availability notice.

1756
01:17:30,905 --> 01:17:33,405
So that was April 10th, 2003

1757
01:17:34,505 --> 01:17:37,405
and then that established April 6th, 2018

1758
01:17:37,545 --> 01:17:40,805
as the expiration date for any non-used

1759
01:17:41,705 --> 01:17:43,165
tap connections at that time.

1760
01:17:43,705 --> 01:17:46,165
And so we've, like I said, we have three folks

1761
01:17:46,235 --> 01:17:48,845
that have pulled those taps from that agreement.

1762
01:17:49,305 --> 01:17:52,965
And then we had the fourth, that expired after 2018.

1763
01:17:53,145 --> 01:17:56,285
So we, we got easements in a water tank site from Robin,

1764
01:17:56,565 --> 01:18:00,525
Fritz, Lynn, and part of the compensation was water taps.

1765
01:18:00,765 --> 01:18:03,725
'cause I think she had envisioned subdivision and,

1766
01:18:04,585 --> 01:18:07,045
but there was a, a terminate, a drop dead date

1767
01:18:07,045 --> 01:18:08,885
to use them just so things don't go on forever.

1768
01:18:08,955 --> 01:18:10,805
Yeah. And so that was

1769
01:18:10,805 --> 01:18:11,805
20 and they had expired.

1770
01:18:11,805 --> 01:18:14,205
Yeah. 2018 And the property's changed

1771
01:18:14,215 --> 01:18:15,405
hands. Three three

1772
01:18:15,405 --> 01:18:16,725
Of them have been used. So

1773
01:18:16,725 --> 01:18:17,885
There's only Right, yeah.

1774
01:18:17,885 --> 01:18:20,005
One, this is the one has expired.

1775
01:18:20,385 --> 01:18:23,805
Is there a new expiration date built into this

1776
01:18:24,065 --> 01:18:25,245
or is it just open-ended?

1777
01:18:25,635 --> 01:18:27,925
Nope. The there basically what's what,

1778
01:18:27,925 --> 01:18:30,685
Like this is 28 Before you is a consideration of,

1779
01:18:31,705 --> 01:18:33,085
of an amendment if you want to.

1780
01:18:33,305 --> 01:18:34,565
And if that is the case,

1781
01:18:34,635 --> 01:18:37,005
then we would establish what that looks like.

1782
01:18:37,065 --> 01:18:38,565
So I don't know. I was just asking the question

1783
01:18:38,565 --> 01:18:39,645
if there was a new, so

1784
01:18:40,185 --> 01:18:42,405
If we don't do anything, do they have to pay

1785
01:18:42,405 --> 01:18:44,085
for the water temp if they want to get one later?

1786
01:18:44,195 --> 01:18:46,045
Yeah. And that's the 10,000

1787
01:18:46,585 --> 01:18:47,585
2 86.

1788
01:18:47,715 --> 01:18:50,525
It's a, it's one and a half times the in city rate.

1789
01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,765
Okay. Yeah. The agreement expired.

1790
01:18:53,915 --> 01:18:56,165
They're trying to bring it back kind of, no.

1791
01:18:56,515 --> 01:18:58,645
Yeah, but they had an expiration date

1792
01:18:59,065 --> 01:19:01,005
to avoid it not being used.

1793
01:19:01,005 --> 01:19:02,845
That's all I'm asking is do we put another

1794
01:19:02,845 --> 01:19:04,325
expiration date on it for any?

1795
01:19:04,355 --> 01:19:06,525
That depends if You, that's, yeah.

1796
01:19:07,065 --> 01:19:10,165
We, if you guys approve this, we will,

1797
01:19:10,825 --> 01:19:12,365
you'll have the water tap paid.

1798
01:19:12,905 --> 01:19:15,125
And like I said, Chuck had bought this when he was married.

1799
01:19:15,145 --> 01:19:18,525
He got divorced and we,

1800
01:19:18,775 --> 01:19:20,805
We'll, we'll, we'll give you water. Okay.

1801
01:19:21,525 --> 01:19:23,005
Yeah. You're not losing the water tap.

1802
01:19:23,005 --> 01:19:24,965
It's whether you have to pay for it or not. I'm happy to.

1803
01:19:24,965 --> 01:19:27,525
Those were okay. Okay then we then we don't even have,

1804
01:19:27,715 --> 01:19:29,365
There's Not Oh yeah, there's, I mean

1805
01:19:29,485 --> 01:19:30,965
I I I'm just wondering,

1806
01:19:30,965 --> 01:19:32,765
there was an expiration date to begin with. The reason

1807
01:19:33,225 --> 01:19:34,245
Was, and it was 2018.

1808
01:19:34,865 --> 01:19:35,925
And if you re reli, I mean,

1809
01:19:36,405 --> 01:19:38,565
I mean I actually wrote this. No,

1810
01:19:38,565 --> 01:19:40,885
No, I'm Not, I'm just looking at my handwriting on it.

1811
01:19:41,285 --> 01:19:43,445
I You have to put it, you have to. Yeah.

1812
01:19:44,005 --> 01:19:46,725
I see your concern, sir. You need water for the house.

1813
01:19:46,785 --> 01:19:48,605
You can have water for the house. We were one.

1814
01:19:48,685 --> 01:19:50,845
I think the hard thing is, is well this thing's expired

1815
01:19:50,845 --> 01:19:52,405
and you're like, can I still have a free water

1816
01:19:52,465 --> 01:19:53,525
tap? No, I'm not

1817
01:19:53,525 --> 01:19:54,525
Looking for that.

1818
01:19:54,525 --> 01:19:58,125
Oh my gosh. Thought was so geez.

1819
01:19:58,395 --> 01:19:59,885
Yeah, yeah. No problem.

1820
01:20:00,025 --> 01:20:01,885
You can apply to the, to city hall

1821
01:20:01,905 --> 01:20:05,245
and get, it would be nice if you wanted to get I, well I,

1822
01:20:05,425 --> 01:20:07,330
it was a very tough thing to do for these, these guys.

1823
01:20:07,525 --> 01:20:08,965
'cause like, well it expired, right?

1824
01:20:08,985 --> 01:20:11,325
It been eight years and you do have to have a,

1825
01:20:11,985 --> 01:20:13,725
as the lawyer, it's like, well, it's their decision,

1826
01:20:13,725 --> 01:20:16,925
but I'm like, it had an expiration for a reason. Is there a

1827
01:20:17,215 --> 01:20:19,485
Great, is there a reason we couldn't

1828
01:20:19,895 --> 01:20:21,245
compromise on something like this?

1829
01:20:22,045 --> 01:20:23,845
I you'd be giving money away.

1830
01:20:24,235 --> 01:20:25,645
They do part, like I would,

1831
01:20:25,945 --> 01:20:27,685
if it was Robin, Fritz, Lynn still.

1832
01:20:29,005 --> 01:20:32,765
I would, and actually she, I I as the lawyer

1833
01:20:32,945 --> 01:20:34,245
who wrote the expiration,

1834
01:20:34,385 --> 01:20:37,685
you should have come in in a couple weeks before it expired

1835
01:20:37,685 --> 01:20:40,485
and, and then and asked for can we extend it then

1836
01:20:40,505 --> 01:20:42,765
and give my circumstantial evidence on why?

1837
01:20:42,945 --> 01:20:45,045
And this one's just kind of tough.

1838
01:20:45,075 --> 01:20:46,405
It's like if it's totally new

1839
01:20:46,405 --> 01:20:47,405
Owner.

1840
01:20:47,405 --> 01:20:48,085
Yeah, yeah. If anyone just came in

1841
01:20:48,085 --> 01:20:50,245
and asked you for something, right. Like that's, and it

1842
01:20:50,245 --> 01:20:51,685
Doesn't sound like it was hell. Which

1843
01:20:51,685 --> 01:20:52,685
Is great.

1844
01:20:53,145 --> 01:20:54,925
So what, what are you, what are you speaking

1845
01:20:54,925 --> 01:20:55,965
of, Scott? You're saying

1846
01:20:55,965 --> 01:20:57,805
Like giving compensation tough off.

1847
01:20:57,805 --> 01:20:58,805
So I mean they, they,

1848
01:20:59,235 --> 01:21:00,605
they did what they said they were doing.

1849
01:21:00,635 --> 01:21:02,365
They gave you the easements, everything

1850
01:21:02,365 --> 01:21:03,365
But cheese.

1851
01:21:03,365 --> 01:21:03,765
But, but it's,

1852
01:21:04,345 --> 01:21:06,965
but we're like three property owners away from that now.

1853
01:21:07,265 --> 01:21:08,605
But we still have the easement in place.

1854
01:21:08,635 --> 01:21:09,485
Yeah. Yeah. The easements

1855
01:21:09,485 --> 01:21:10,885
still have, we're all good there. So

1856
01:21:10,885 --> 01:21:12,205
What are, what are you compromising?

1857
01:21:12,625 --> 01:21:16,005
My, my thought would be work with them a little bit

1858
01:21:16,005 --> 01:21:18,925
and say, have 'em pay what the normal city tap would be.

1859
01:21:19,835 --> 01:21:21,325
That is the normal city town.

1860
01:21:23,435 --> 01:21:24,885
They're out, they're outta city. Oh.

1861
01:21:25,715 --> 01:21:26,885
Like, like, and

1862
01:21:27,125 --> 01:21:29,605
I, I get if you go that direction, I just want some reason

1863
01:21:29,785 --> 01:21:31,645
so that not everyone just comes and asks.

1864
01:21:32,765 --> 01:21:34,765
I just curious. I just feel like paying

1865
01:21:34,765 --> 01:21:35,445
For it. I was just curious.

1866
01:21:35,595 --> 01:21:38,845
Yeah, no, I I I, I appreciate good about this generosity,

1867
01:21:38,845 --> 01:21:41,285
but I just don't want precedent that I can't. Yeah, yeah.

1868
01:21:41,285 --> 01:21:42,925
It's true. No, I understand. We still need to move

1869
01:21:42,945 --> 01:21:44,005
to deny at this point.

1870
01:21:44,385 --> 01:21:46,805
You, I think you just don't take any action.

1871
01:21:47,555 --> 01:21:49,965
Take any It is, it is what it is. Okay.

1872
01:21:50,305 --> 01:21:52,085
And can you help? And you can still get water,

1873
01:21:52,105 --> 01:21:54,285
the gentleman understand whether he should do contact

1874
01:21:54,285 --> 01:21:57,805
Patrick or the water or to get his water set up.

1875
01:21:57,985 --> 01:21:59,325
Oh, be

1876
01:21:59,325 --> 01:22:00,325
In contact with you.

1877
01:22:00,325 --> 01:22:01,285
Yep. I'm good with that. Like I said,

1878
01:22:01,705 --> 01:22:03,085
You just wanted to make sure you got water right.

1879
01:22:03,235 --> 01:22:05,805
Exactly. Like I said, Chuck didn't realize

1880
01:22:05,805 --> 01:22:08,005
that there was an expiration or he forgot.

1881
01:22:08,165 --> 01:22:09,485
I don't know which. But yeah,

1882
01:22:09,585 --> 01:22:13,165
That's just The expiration was for the free water tap

1883
01:22:13,165 --> 01:22:14,805
for the, not for the water tap itself.

1884
01:22:15,105 --> 01:22:16,685
I'm happy to, we're happy to pay for it.

1885
01:22:16,805 --> 01:22:18,285
Just so we got water to the lot.

1886
01:22:18,385 --> 01:22:19,845
No water. Totally Fine.

1887
01:22:21,385 --> 01:22:23,045
No action taken. That was easy.

1888
01:22:23,045 --> 01:22:24,485
Thank you. Thank you. Thanks guys.

1889
01:22:24,705 --> 01:22:28,885
Thanks for coming in. Thanks for your honesty.

1890
01:22:28,895 --> 01:22:32,125
We've had a complicated item nine C orders.

1891
01:22:32,885 --> 01:22:35,365
Consider amending article three of chapter four

1892
01:22:35,405 --> 01:22:39,405
of the rifle municipal code to amend procedural standards.

1893
01:22:39,475 --> 01:22:41,405
Ordinance number 17 series

1894
01:22:41,425 --> 01:22:44,845
of 2026 on first reading Iris.

1895
01:22:50,475 --> 01:22:53,005
Good evening mayor and counsel. This evening.

1896
01:22:53,325 --> 01:22:55,885
I am presenting to you the request

1897
01:22:55,945 --> 01:22:57,685
to amend the procurement standards.

1898
01:22:58,505 --> 01:22:59,605
The city recently,

1899
01:22:59,925 --> 01:23:02,845
the city last time the city updated its procurement code

1900
01:23:02,945 --> 01:23:04,045
was in 2022.

1901
01:23:04,785 --> 01:23:07,285
And during that procurement update,

1902
01:23:07,515 --> 01:23:09,365
they removed the comparative pricing.

1903
01:23:09,775 --> 01:23:12,245
After reviewing our current standards

1904
01:23:12,665 --> 01:23:17,005
and how we have been purchasing, we have taken a look

1905
01:23:17,025 --> 01:23:18,685
and we are requesting that we

1906
01:23:19,805 --> 01:23:21,525
increase our existing procurement threshold

1907
01:23:21,785 --> 01:23:23,485
and add back the comparative pricing.

1908
01:23:24,185 --> 01:23:27,485
We are recommending the increase so that we are able

1909
01:23:27,505 --> 01:23:28,885
to do comparative pricing

1910
01:23:28,915 --> 01:23:32,085
that will provide more efficiency purchasing methods

1911
01:23:32,115 --> 01:23:35,365
with lower dollar pri, lower dollar purchases.

1912
01:23:35,365 --> 01:23:36,845
And we'll still ensure competitive pricing.

1913
01:23:38,525 --> 01:23:40,605
This was brought to you guys in two workshops

1914
01:23:40,705 --> 01:23:43,445
and if you guys have any questions, please let me know.

1915
01:23:44,605 --> 01:23:46,125
I just have one structure.

1916
01:23:46,315 --> 01:23:48,245
What does a competitive pricing do?

1917
01:23:49,025 --> 01:23:53,525
How do we, if the someone bid say 80,000 on a hundred

1918
01:23:53,765 --> 01:23:56,445
thousand dollars project, why does it matter

1919
01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:58,205
what the competitive pricing is to

1920
01:23:58,205 --> 01:23:59,205
The other?

1921
01:23:59,205 --> 01:24:01,645
So competitive pricing will strictly be on purchasing

1922
01:24:01,705 --> 01:24:03,245
of items not a bid.

1923
01:24:03,345 --> 01:24:06,525
So in reference to like a service of like design services

1924
01:24:06,545 --> 01:24:08,885
or engineering services or construction,

1925
01:24:08,885 --> 01:24:10,845
that will still follow the bid process.

1926
01:24:11,235 --> 01:24:13,925
This is more for small items, might be equipment,

1927
01:24:13,985 --> 01:24:17,765
may be vehicles, materials

1928
01:24:17,835 --> 01:24:19,525
that are the kind of things that we're looking at.

1929
01:24:20,985 --> 01:24:24,525
So instead of going the cooperative purchase route A,

1930
01:24:25,115 --> 01:24:27,285
what we may do is we'll take a look

1931
01:24:27,545 --> 01:24:30,925
and see what our local vendors

1932
01:24:30,925 --> 01:24:31,925
Are.

1933
01:24:31,925 --> 01:24:33,285
So instead of taking the state, so the example, instead

1934
01:24:33,285 --> 01:24:35,925
of taking a state bid on a a vehicle

1935
01:24:36,525 --> 01:24:39,285
and explorer, we'll just say you're gonna go look at

1936
01:24:39,635 --> 01:24:41,485
Columbine Ford and Glenwood Ford

1937
01:24:41,865 --> 01:24:43,325
and whoever the one is injunction.

1938
01:24:43,325 --> 01:24:45,765
You're gonna look at that along with that. Okay.

1939
01:24:45,765 --> 01:24:47,365
Correct. And then they have the opportunity.

1940
01:24:47,545 --> 01:24:49,125
And then a good example also would be

1941
01:24:49,445 --> 01:24:50,805
what we went through with our hvac.

1942
01:24:51,105 --> 01:24:52,965
We didn't have that much response.

1943
01:24:53,425 --> 01:24:55,085
So, and it's also a smaller project.

1944
01:24:55,085 --> 01:24:57,245
There's are mainly under a hundred thousand.

1945
01:24:57,465 --> 01:25:00,285
So we would go to the two, three local

1946
01:25:01,725 --> 01:25:03,965
businesses within the area, ask them for quotes,

1947
01:25:04,265 --> 01:25:06,285
do the review, look at our procedures,

1948
01:25:06,545 --> 01:25:08,605
and then present it makes

1949
01:25:08,605 --> 01:25:09,605
Sense.

1950
01:25:09,605 --> 01:25:10,925
And not require the bond until it's,

1951
01:25:11,035 --> 01:25:12,645
till they have been awarded the contract.

1952
01:25:12,945 --> 01:25:14,045
So yeah, doing it that way.

1953
01:25:14,045 --> 01:25:16,125
They would be no bid bond,

1954
01:25:16,185 --> 01:25:17,605
but there would still be a performance

1955
01:25:17,715 --> 01:25:18,965
bond and payment bond,

1956
01:25:19,215 --> 01:25:21,165
Which is a lot easier for smaller contractors.

1957
01:25:21,185 --> 01:25:24,405
Yes, yes. Know all about that.

1958
01:25:26,085 --> 01:25:27,445
I think this is great. This is

1959
01:25:27,715 --> 01:25:29,045
best practices in purchasing.

1960
01:25:29,075 --> 01:25:30,485
This is the way it should go.

1961
01:25:30,485 --> 01:25:31,965
And we had it and then we lost it.

1962
01:25:32,005 --> 01:25:33,005
I dunno why we got now it's back.

1963
01:25:33,245 --> 01:25:36,325
This is the way it, it works. It's shocking. Yes. Yes.

1964
01:25:39,945 --> 01:25:44,405
And mostly the, a lot of this is also just updating our,

1965
01:25:44,785 --> 01:25:47,685
the amounts of so that you guys don't have to come check in

1966
01:25:47,685 --> 01:25:50,885
with us for a $20,000 purchase that Patrick can Correct.

1967
01:25:51,225 --> 01:25:54,565
So yes, this will increase the city manager's approval

1968
01:25:55,235 --> 01:25:57,965
from currently 25,000 to 90,000.

1969
01:25:58,925 --> 01:26:00,045
I think that's a good idea too.

1970
01:26:00,375 --> 01:26:01,525
Which sounds like a lot, but it's,

1971
01:26:02,515 --> 01:26:04,885
It's very much in line with today's it's anymore.

1972
01:26:05,435 --> 01:26:06,435
Yeah. Yep.

1973
01:26:07,305 --> 01:26:10,845
And this can be updated in the future. Yep. Hog wild.

1974
01:26:11,545 --> 01:26:14,765
Yes, exactly. And we still have our audit.

1975
01:26:15,545 --> 01:26:19,765
Yes. And your budget and Yep, yep, yep.

1976
01:26:19,945 --> 01:26:21,405
And it's still a small community,

1977
01:26:21,405 --> 01:26:23,565
Easier efficiencies, right? Yeah. Yeah.

1978
01:26:23,655 --> 01:26:24,845
We'll still follow the process.

1979
01:26:27,925 --> 01:26:30,285
I move to approve amendment of article three

1980
01:26:30,285 --> 01:26:32,645
of chapter four of the rifle municipal code

1981
01:26:32,645 --> 01:26:34,045
to amend procurement standard

1982
01:26:34,725 --> 01:26:37,925
standards ordinance number 17 series of 2026

1983
01:26:38,465 --> 01:26:41,685
on first reading and ordered publish as required by charter.

1984
01:26:42,235 --> 01:26:43,235
I'll second

1985
01:26:44,695 --> 01:26:46,315
We have a motion from Councillor Grassley

1986
01:26:46,315 --> 01:26:48,995
and a second from Councillor Roberts to approve amendment

1987
01:26:49,055 --> 01:26:52,195
of article three of chapter four of the rifle municipal code

1988
01:26:52,495 --> 01:26:54,035
to amend procurement standards.

1989
01:26:54,035 --> 01:26:57,395
Ordinance number 17 series of 2026 on first reading

1990
01:26:57,415 --> 01:26:59,235
and ordered, published as required

1991
01:26:59,235 --> 01:27:00,995
by Charter Councillor Roberts.

1992
01:27:01,215 --> 01:27:04,235
Yes. Councillor Marsh. Yes. Councillor Bool. Yes.

1993
01:27:04,235 --> 01:27:06,715
Councillor Rice. Yes. Councillor Grassley. Yes.

1994
01:27:06,805 --> 01:27:09,275
Mayor Hostettler. Yes. Councillor Clancy. Yes.

1995
01:27:09,365 --> 01:27:12,715
Thank you. And one more item here.

1996
01:27:13,025 --> 01:27:16,155
Item nine D, consider awarding contract

1997
01:27:16,175 --> 01:27:18,075
for fall cleanup trucking services.

1998
01:27:18,895 --> 01:27:22,555
So every year for our fall cleanup, we hire a outside

1999
01:27:23,245 --> 01:27:26,555
contractor to bring in to do all of our hauling

2000
01:27:26,555 --> 01:27:28,275
of all the material that is collected.

2001
01:27:29,345 --> 01:27:32,835
According to our procurement process, we posted a request

2002
01:27:32,835 --> 01:27:35,195
for bid for three years of trucking services,

2003
01:27:35,525 --> 01:27:37,995
which was posted in the, on the city website

2004
01:27:38,095 --> 01:27:39,315
and on July 28th.

2005
01:27:39,315 --> 01:27:44,235
And the citizen telegraph a mandatory pre-bid

2006
01:27:44,235 --> 01:27:47,395
withheld at city o and m with only one vendor in attendance.

2007
01:27:48,335 --> 01:27:52,155
The bid is structured to award the contract to the lowest,

2008
01:27:53,535 --> 01:27:55,155
lowest price qualified bidder.

2009
01:27:55,185 --> 01:27:57,955
However, because there was only one bid,

2010
01:27:58,575 --> 01:27:59,795
we are meeting those standards.

2011
01:28:00,215 --> 01:28:02,875
The bid that we received is for an hourly.

2012
01:28:03,315 --> 01:28:05,875
We requested that they gave us a bid for hourly.

2013
01:28:06,095 --> 01:28:09,075
Hourly for 20 26, 20 27 and 2028.

2014
01:28:10,095 --> 01:28:13,435
The totals that you're seeing are 24,000,

2015
01:28:13,435 --> 01:28:16,155
twenty four thousand eight hundred twenty five thousand six hundred.

2016
01:28:16,585 --> 01:28:18,915
This is the same vendor that we used last year.

2017
01:28:19,335 --> 01:28:22,795
And at the end of the event they only used 85 hours,

2018
01:28:22,795 --> 01:28:25,475
which was a total of 12,397.

2019
01:28:25,935 --> 01:28:29,755
So it's, we were requesting that maximum amount from them so

2020
01:28:29,755 --> 01:28:34,035
that if worst case scenario they was a situation

2021
01:28:34,035 --> 01:28:35,875
where we needed those hours, they were available,

2022
01:28:36,655 --> 01:28:38,035
but we foresee

2023
01:28:38,035 --> 01:28:42,315
that it would be under the $24,000 match or request.

2024
01:28:43,575 --> 01:28:45,595
We did have some inquiries from brokers,

2025
01:28:46,235 --> 01:28:49,435
however, we did advise them that due to the safety aspects

2026
01:28:49,455 --> 01:28:52,955
of the operation, we only wanted prime contract holders

2027
01:28:53,095 --> 01:28:54,235
to attend the pre-bid.

2028
01:28:57,955 --> 01:29:00,845
Okay. I don't remember this ever coming to us before, you

2029
01:29:00,845 --> 01:29:02,725
Know, so Historically and,

2030
01:29:02,725 --> 01:29:04,565
and would it, would it come to us next year

2031
01:29:04,585 --> 01:29:07,205
or in three years because now we are under 80,000.

2032
01:29:08,025 --> 01:29:09,885
No, it, It would not come to you.

2033
01:29:10,075 --> 01:29:13,205
This is coming because there is a number in this

2034
01:29:13,205 --> 01:29:15,165
that goes over 25,000. Oh

2035
01:29:15,165 --> 01:29:15,645
Okay. Right now,

2036
01:29:15,645 --> 01:29:18,205
Because there is a year One number for one

2037
01:29:18,205 --> 01:29:20,005
Year ordinance doesn't take effect for 10 more days.

2038
01:29:20,385 --> 01:29:22,445
Got it. After second reading.

2039
01:29:22,445 --> 01:29:25,125
Yeah, after second reading. So we've never seen it

2040
01:29:25,125 --> 01:29:27,325
before because it, this is the first time one

2041
01:29:27,325 --> 01:29:28,805
of the years went over 25,000.

2042
01:29:28,805 --> 01:29:31,245
Yep. So last year we bid it out and I think it was 24

2043
01:29:31,575 --> 01:29:32,885
Grand, right? Yeah. It

2044
01:29:32,885 --> 01:29:33,885
Was only for one year was last year.

2045
01:29:33,885 --> 01:29:36,365
The first year we outsourced it. Oh.

2046
01:29:36,685 --> 01:29:38,205
'cause so we didn't, we used to,

2047
01:29:38,865 --> 01:29:41,045
We reason why we actually bid it last year is

2048
01:29:41,165 --> 01:29:42,925
'cause it went over the $10,000 mark,

2049
01:29:42,925 --> 01:29:44,645
which is the directors.

2050
01:29:44,795 --> 01:29:48,085
Yeah. Years prior it has been the same vendor

2051
01:29:48,745 --> 01:29:50,645
and it's just been in that sweet spot.

2052
01:29:51,075 --> 01:29:54,445
Yeah. And we don't use staff anymore. Right. We

2053
01:29:54,445 --> 01:29:55,805
Do use staff for all the Cleanup

2054
01:29:55,805 --> 01:29:56,885
and so we still do but not

2055
01:29:56,885 --> 01:29:57,885
For the truck.

2056
01:29:57,885 --> 01:29:58,365
They just haul. They just

2057
01:29:58,395 --> 01:29:59,395
Haul.

2058
01:29:59,395 --> 01:30:03,165
Oh, okay. That's where I was dump. Wow. That's crazy.

2059
01:30:03,475 --> 01:30:05,045
It's a big lift by staff. They're just

2060
01:30:05,235 --> 01:30:06,235
Yeah, it is.

2061
01:30:06,235 --> 01:30:07,045
That's why I was like, yeah,

2062
01:30:07,045 --> 01:30:08,605
we should probably outsource this a big lift

2063
01:30:08,605 --> 01:30:10,005
as long. But they would

2064
01:30:10,005 --> 01:30:11,005
Love that.

2065
01:30:11,005 --> 01:30:12,285
It'd be a lot more than that if they had to do everything.

2066
01:30:12,745 --> 01:30:16,325
We tried to rope, we tried to do it as part of our trash

2067
01:30:16,885 --> 01:30:19,245
removal and put it in the bid,

2068
01:30:19,665 --> 01:30:21,565
but none of the folks

2069
01:30:21,625 --> 01:30:23,725
who applied wanted to said they would do

2070
01:30:23,725 --> 01:30:24,405
It. Yeah.

2071
01:30:24,595 --> 01:30:25,525
Well that was a chicken

2072
01:30:27,995 --> 01:30:30,805
different Jonathan's.

2073
01:30:31,645 --> 01:30:35,845
I am, I move to approve the three year agreement

2074
01:30:35,955 --> 01:30:39,885
with DIT investments for 20 26, 20 27

2075
01:30:39,945 --> 01:30:44,325
and 2028 for an amount not to exceed $74,400.

2076
01:30:44,795 --> 01:30:46,285
I'll second that with the amendment

2077
01:30:46,315 --> 01:30:49,085
that it's DTT, is that correct?

2078
01:30:49,485 --> 01:30:52,085
DIT. What did I say? It's blurry.

2079
01:30:56,845 --> 01:30:57,845
I got it. Now

2080
01:30:58,825 --> 01:31:00,245
We have a motion from Councillor Rice

2081
01:31:00,245 --> 01:31:01,525
and a second from Councillor Marsh

2082
01:31:01,665 --> 01:31:04,885
to approve a three year agreement with DTT investments

2083
01:31:05,145 --> 01:31:06,725
for 20 26, 20 27

2084
01:31:06,785 --> 01:31:10,965
and 2028 for an amount not to exceed $74,400.

2085
01:31:11,335 --> 01:31:12,485
Councillor Clancy.

2086
01:31:12,745 --> 01:31:15,925
Yes. Councillor Marsh. Yes. Councilor Roberts. Yes.

2087
01:31:15,925 --> 01:31:18,685
Councillor Rice. Yes. Mayor Hostettler. Yes.

2088
01:31:18,685 --> 01:31:21,645
Councillor Grassley. Yes. Councillor Ol. Yes. Thank you.

2089
01:31:23,945 --> 01:31:27,245
All right. Administrative reports report from city

2090
01:31:27,275 --> 01:31:28,365
manager Patrick.

2091
01:31:28,695 --> 01:31:30,405
Thank you Mayor. A few more things.

2092
01:31:31,265 --> 01:31:33,685
One on here was the CPW letter submittal,

2093
01:31:34,025 --> 01:31:35,805
but Iris clarified that in workshop.

2094
01:31:36,225 --> 01:31:39,965
So good news, we were accepted to fully apply for the grant

2095
01:31:40,185 --> 01:31:41,445
for the South Rifle project.

2096
01:31:42,585 --> 01:31:43,965
That's great. Alright.

2097
01:31:44,025 --> 01:31:45,805
The update on projects is,

2098
01:31:48,145 --> 01:31:50,565
so the third in park project is gonna be

2099
01:31:50,565 --> 01:31:51,605
the first one to be paved.

2100
01:31:52,435 --> 01:31:55,685
It's looking like, should be done middle of September.

2101
01:31:55,745 --> 01:31:57,205
And then everything else is on

2102
01:31:57,205 --> 01:31:58,445
pace for the end of September.

2103
01:31:59,245 --> 01:32:00,565
Both Grand Mason and White River.

2104
01:32:01,065 --> 01:32:03,765
So appreciate folks patience as we move through that

2105
01:32:04,755 --> 01:32:08,805
fall cleanup is coming up really important

2106
01:32:08,805 --> 01:32:11,325
that folks are careful around our staff.

2107
01:32:12,125 --> 01:32:14,285
There's a lot of staff walking around, lots

2108
01:32:14,285 --> 01:32:16,125
of trucks backing up, all that sort of stuff

2109
01:32:17,065 --> 01:32:20,605
Starts on September 20th, east of Railroad Avenue

2110
01:32:21,225 --> 01:32:25,165
and then west of Railroad is September 27th.

2111
01:32:26,065 --> 01:32:27,965
So really great service

2112
01:32:28,115 --> 01:32:30,245
that the city provide and provides this year.

2113
01:32:30,255 --> 01:32:32,485
We're also doing a tire pickup.

2114
01:32:33,225 --> 01:32:35,045
Not pick up, you have to drop 'em off,

2115
01:32:35,945 --> 01:32:39,765
but you will have a tire drop off available for folks.

2116
01:32:40,595 --> 01:32:42,525
Good idea. We're in the city of rifle.

2117
01:32:42,665 --> 01:32:45,365
We don't want any county people coming in with their tires.

2118
01:32:45,725 --> 01:32:48,645
So We'll be checking IDs. Make

2119
01:32:48,645 --> 01:32:49,885
Sure you are a rifle resident.

2120
01:32:50,075 --> 01:32:52,485
Limited to eight tires for the drop off.

2121
01:32:52,755 --> 01:32:55,445
Yeah, but your ID still says rifle even if you're in town.

2122
01:32:57,085 --> 01:33:00,285
I know the streets address is the drop off at the OM

2123
01:33:00,485 --> 01:33:01,565
Facility. It is correct. Okay.

2124
01:33:02,035 --> 01:33:04,965
Does that work? Did they put New tires on my car

2125
01:33:04,985 --> 01:33:05,985
Is, yeah.

2126
01:33:05,985 --> 01:33:10,205
No. The only one we take the said I didn't.

2127
01:33:10,595 --> 01:33:14,205
Only other thing. CML dinner. Just a reminder for you all.

2128
01:33:14,605 --> 01:33:17,965
September 10th at 5:00 PM So that will be

2129
01:33:17,965 --> 01:33:20,165
before our next meeting up at the golf course

2130
01:33:20,915 --> 01:33:22,165
Next Thursday, right?

2131
01:33:22,165 --> 01:33:23,165
Yes.

2132
01:33:23,785 --> 01:33:25,005
Yep. And that's all that I have.

2133
01:33:25,655 --> 01:33:29,445
Great. That was your last chance to impress us before you

2134
01:33:30,335 --> 01:33:33,605
After some Of the bumps here.

2135
01:33:37,225 --> 01:33:39,445
Alexis, nothing for me. Jim, thank you.

2136
01:33:39,875 --> 01:33:44,045
Nothing Zach, nothing for meeting. Thanks. Anything gear?

2137
01:33:44,555 --> 01:33:49,445
Nope. Iris nothing for me. It's chief. Nothing.

2138
01:33:49,625 --> 01:33:52,325
No sir. Wow. You don't even have

2139
01:33:52,325 --> 01:33:53,725
to stand up, but that's very polite.

2140
01:33:56,945 --> 01:33:59,605
All right. I think we're back over here Jonathan.

2141
01:34:00,205 --> 01:34:01,405
I don't think I have anything either.

2142
01:34:01,875 --> 01:34:06,285
Holy, we do have more work to do tonight,

2143
01:34:06,465 --> 01:34:09,165
so I know. I'm trying.

2144
01:34:09,725 --> 01:34:12,285
I can't even think, I don't think I have anything

2145
01:34:12,445 --> 01:34:13,965
'cause I can't remember what it is.

2146
01:34:15,545 --> 01:34:20,125
So. Oh, we did have the A GNC meeting for

2147
01:34:20,285 --> 01:34:24,205
ECI Can't do all our letters.

2148
01:34:25,105 --> 01:34:28,845
And we had a meeting for our, at the

2149
01:34:29,505 --> 01:34:31,325
New Castle Library that went really well.

2150
01:34:33,345 --> 01:34:34,965
That's about all I can remember. Sorry.

2151
01:34:37,405 --> 01:34:39,965
Anything I have, it's September 2nd official start

2152
01:34:39,965 --> 01:34:41,365
to hunting season for those

2153
01:34:41,365 --> 01:34:43,845
who celebrate this long, long season.

2154
01:34:44,425 --> 01:34:46,925
But welcome hunters. There's big community here

2155
01:34:47,195 --> 01:34:50,445
that does come from all over to spend time in,

2156
01:34:50,445 --> 01:34:51,485
in rifle and beyond.

2157
01:34:51,545 --> 01:34:54,085
So welcome and good luck to everybody.

2158
01:34:57,155 --> 01:35:00,085
Nothing from me. Nothing from me.

2159
01:35:01,165 --> 01:35:05,645
I will say that a lot of staff and council went down and,

2160
01:35:05,825 --> 01:35:08,565
and toward the B site down in

2161
01:35:09,335 --> 01:35:11,125
Grand Junction, a business incubator.

2162
01:35:11,125 --> 01:35:12,805
And it's an amazing place.

2163
01:35:12,985 --> 01:35:17,005
And we're talking about having eventual some kind

2164
01:35:17,005 --> 01:35:19,605
of a partnership with them to try

2165
01:35:19,605 --> 01:35:21,405
to get some economic development here

2166
01:35:21,405 --> 01:35:23,165
and some small business startups.

2167
01:35:23,345 --> 01:35:26,045
So that's an exciting new development.

2168
01:35:27,785 --> 01:35:30,445
And with that, do I close the regular meeting?

2169
01:35:31,145 --> 01:35:33,205
No, you're gonna move to go into executives.

2170
01:35:33,765 --> 01:35:35,965
I moved to go into executive session

2171
01:35:38,385 --> 01:35:42,725
for discussion of personal matter under CRS section 24 dash

2172
01:35:42,825 --> 01:35:45,685
six dash 4 0 2 2 F.

2173
01:35:45,985 --> 01:35:48,245
And not involving any specific employee

2174
01:35:49,365 --> 01:35:51,365
employees have requested discussion

2175
01:35:51,365 --> 01:35:53,005
of the matter to open session.

2176
01:35:53,705 --> 01:35:54,765
Any member of this body

2177
01:35:54,785 --> 01:35:57,445
or any elected official, the appointment of any person

2178
01:35:57,505 --> 01:36:02,245
to fill an office of this body or an elected official

2179
01:36:02,745 --> 01:36:05,845
or personal policies that do not require the discussion

2180
01:36:06,145 --> 01:36:09,765
of matters personal to particular employees.

2181
01:36:12,105 --> 01:36:15,285
So now we need a second. Second. Second. Yep. Okay.

2182
01:36:15,425 --> 01:36:17,245
And you don't need to read it all. Alexis, you

2183
01:36:19,235 --> 01:36:20,235
Just a motion?

2184
01:36:20,475 --> 01:36:23,405
Yeah, yeah. We have a motion from

2185
01:36:24,255 --> 01:36:25,725
Mayor Clint Hoss settler

2186
01:36:25,725 --> 01:36:26,845
and a second from Scott Marsh

2187
01:36:26,865 --> 01:36:28,725
to move into the executive session.

2188
01:36:29,425 --> 01:36:30,605
And we need a roll call.

2189
01:36:31,435 --> 01:36:34,645
Council Clancy? Yes. Councilor Marsh? Yes.

2190
01:36:34,795 --> 01:36:37,685
Councilor Roberts. Yes. Councillor Rice? Yes.

2191
01:36:38,015 --> 01:36:40,525
Mayor Hostettler? Yes. Councilor Grassley? Yes.

2192
01:36:40,525 --> 01:36:41,525
Councillor BH Hall?

2193
01:36:41,985 --> 01:36:43,365
No, because they got skipped in the

2194
01:36:43,365 --> 01:36:44,485
meeting for my comments.

2195
01:36:45,795 --> 01:36:48,365
Okay. Yes, I did get skipped, but yes.

2196
01:36:48,585 --> 01:36:50,045
Oh, Karen just skipped right over you.

2197
01:36:50,335 --> 01:36:53,685
Karen doesn't care. I know you didn't say anything.

2198
01:36:54,445 --> 01:36:56,085
I didn't have a chance. You talking.

2199
01:36:56,785 --> 01:36:58,645
Do you wanna say your comments before we go?

2200
01:36:58,785 --> 01:37:01,045
No, we're not out yet. We're not out yet. Not now.

2201
01:37:02,285 --> 01:37:04,645
I have to wait and then the, I have to wait.

2202
01:37:05,465 --> 01:37:06,845
The meeting will be adjourned

2203
01:37:07,255 --> 01:37:10,085
after the executive session with no decisions made.

2204
01:37:11,105 --> 01:37:14,245
So now you're just floating on. We won't, decisions made.

2205
01:37:16,615 --> 01:37:18,365
Don't say stuff like that. But we

2206
01:37:18,365 --> 01:37:19,405
won't return either, right?

2207
01:37:19,405 --> 01:37:20,685
We don't. You're not returning here.

2208
01:37:20,685 --> 01:37:21,965
Yes, we You'll be aduring in there,

2209
01:37:22,465 --> 01:37:24,125
but you're still in an active meeting

2210
01:37:24,175 --> 01:37:25,525
going into executive session.

2211
01:37:25,785 --> 01:37:27,725
But you can have a restroom break. Are we

2212
01:37:28,305 --> 01:37:28,525
Off.