1 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:29,080 Maybe that help. 2 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:40,960 » Okay. Public comment period. Any member of the public may address the board on 3 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,880 matters which are within the jurisdiction of the board. If you are 4 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:49,360 addressing the board regarding a matter listed on the agenda, you are requested 5 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:55,200 to limit your comments to three minutes per member or five minutes per group. 6 00:01:53,119 --> 00:02:00,240 The public comment time is not for questions and answers. It is your time 7 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:05,280 to express your views. To ensure there is adequate public comment time, please 8 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:09,440 provide your name, com contact contact information, 9 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:15,480 and any affiliation prior to the meeting by contacting the board assistant at 10 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,480 970-878-9575. 11 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:24,239 If you would like to submit written comments, please contact the board 12 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:28,480 assistant. If any member of the public would like to comment at this time, 13 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:32,879 please state your name, contact information, and affiliation for the 14 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,879 record. Bobby 15 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,519 » up here, please. Thank you. So, we can get you on record. 16 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:52,319 » My name is Bobby U 564 Larry Lane, Colorado. 17 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:56,959 And I'd just like to thank you for putting 18 00:02:54,239 --> 00:03:00,959 item C under new business. Uh very important issue of moving our health 19 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:06,879 service district board back to a sevenperson board like the voters of 20 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:11,840 eastern Roano County first voted for back in 2006 when the district was first 21 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:17,680 created. This has been a big concern for me and 22 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:23,200 others since 2021 um 23 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:30,319 the resolution to change the will of the people by illegally um as there is no 24 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Colorado revised statute allowing a board to go from seven members to five. 25 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:44,239 a flagrant disregard of the will of the people and um made the resolution to 26 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:50,159 amend their bylaws. And on August 19, 2021, PMC sent a resolution 27 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:55,040 um along with a letter to then commissioners Gary Moyer, who was under 28 00:03:52,640 --> 00:04:02,879 recall, Jeff Recctor, who had resigned, but had yet uh had not yet stepped down 29 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:06,959 and newly elected Ty Gates, um who later became the maintenance manager out there 30 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:12,959 PMC, uh while working as a commissioner. Uh 31 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:17,600 the commissioners never did discuss the resolution, nor did they put it on on 32 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:23,280 publicly. They didn't discuss it publicly back in 2021. Nor did they put 33 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:27,840 the resolution on the agenda to determine if it was a material 34 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:33,919 modification of the district service plan move from seven to five members. 35 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:40,320 With no response from the commissioners P after 45 days, PNC attorney Christina 36 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:45,840 Harney submitted the motion that the district court to accept the amendment 37 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:52,720 to their bylaws reducing the number of board members from 7 to 5. Motion was 38 00:04:49,440 --> 00:05:00,400 denied by the honorable Patrick Nordon on April 29th, 2022. 39 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:06,720 Yet PMC ignored the court order and amended their bylaws April 26, 2022, two 40 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,800 weeks before an election with seven people on the ballot running for three 41 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:16,800 seats. you as Will Blanko County Commissioners 42 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:24,639 have the authority to correct this immediately by pointing to two members 43 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:30,639 who we recently had an election um and and appointing the next two highest vote 44 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:36,400 getters from the May 26 election to get us back to a sevenperson board like the 45 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:42,320 people the voters of Milano County originally voted for. 46 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Thank you for your time and your consideration. 47 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,520 » Thank you. 48 00:05:47,039 --> 00:05:51,919 » Okay, can move on to the 49 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:56,560 » um I check and see if there's anybody online that public comment. 50 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:02,919 » Is anybody online that needs to do a public comment? 51 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:02,919 » Somebody wanting to join. 52 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:13,000 There's somebody looks like they want to join. 53 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:23,400 » They said there is not. >> One to join is the AI piece. 54 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:23,400 » Oh, okay. 55 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:33,120 » So, the this is the tenative agenda which includes all information available 56 00:06:29,919 --> 00:06:38,960 as of September 5th, 2025. The final tenative agenda will be posted at the 57 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:44,400 Woodco County Historic Courthouse, 555 Main Street, Maker, Colorado, and at the 58 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,400 Rangely Town Hall, 209 East Main Street, Rangely. 59 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:57,680 » Mr. Chair, I would move to approve the agenda for September 10th, 2025 with one 60 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:04,560 change. If we could move agenda item 3 in, which 61 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:11,759 is the NRCS um natural resources conservation 62 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:17,039 service letter up to business item A. We'll put it at the 63 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:20,160 very beginning of business. We have Todd Bolt on the phone with us as soon as we 64 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,680 can get to it. >> So, we're not going to make it a We're 65 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:25,919 going to move in up to the beginning. >> Yes. 66 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:30,000 » Just to keep everything straight. >> Okay. Okay. 67 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:37,039 And you have to second, I guess. Huh? >> I'm going to second that motion. 68 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:41,840 Any discussion? I just want to uh note that Jennifer is not here today. She's 69 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:45,039 in Washington DC doing Roano County's business. 70 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:50,080 » She's not going in virtually. >> No, she's not. 71 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:54,479 » She's in the middle of uh meeting with some senators right now. Um would you 72 00:07:53,919 --> 00:07:57,280 please call the >> ROS? 73 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,280 Hi over to you. >> Hi. 74 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Good. So we are going to do line item business N which is 75 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:14,720 » um consent items. >> Oh yeah we have to do the consent items. 76 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,560 I'm sorry. Oh yeah. >> So Mr. Chair, I would move to approve 77 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:25,039 the below list items of the consent agenda. That includes payroll management 78 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:31,440 report for August 15th and 29th. Accounts payable management reports for 79 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:38,800 June 25th or June of 25. Special meeting minutes for July 23rd. Special meeting 80 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:44,000 minutes for August 2nd. Meeting minutes for August 12th. Special meeting minutes 81 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:52,240 for September 2nd. Special meeting minutes for September 4th. Motor vehicle 82 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:56,959 um DMV report for August 25 and DHS. 83 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:02,480 um their EBT register and warrant register for August 25th. 84 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:07,040 » And I'm going to second that motion. Any discussion? 85 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,040 » You please call the role. >> I 86 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:20,080 Okay. So now we are going to move on to business N which is 87 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:27,200 » in our >> consideration of a request to Clint 88 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:32,480 Evans Natural Resources and Conservation Service requesting federal assistance 89 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:39,120 under the provisions of section 216 of the Flood Control Act of 1950 90 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:45,839 public law 81-516 or section 403 of the Agricultural 91 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:51,600 Credit Act. Act of 1978, public law 95-34 92 00:09:49,120 --> 00:10:02,040 to restore damages sustained in real blanko county by the Lee and Elk RBX 93 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:02,040 Real Blanco County fire on August 25th. 94 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:14,720 » So I had asked um NRCS. So Todd Bolt is um with us remotely today to be able to 95 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:18,160 explain to us a little bit about what this would look like. 96 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:23,360 » Stay with NCS. >> NRCS is Natural Resource Conservation 97 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Service. And Vicki, I have an extra sheet that Todd shared with us. 98 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,360 » Okay. >> If you want it. Um 99 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:39,040 okay, give her that one. And um so I had had a brief conversation 100 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:45,839 about this and have very vague knowledge of it due to conservation district work 101 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:51,760 in the past, but um I think that Todd will go over kind of what the program is 102 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:56,720 briefly and then what our role would be if we were to be a sponsor of it. 103 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,040 Floor >> is yours, Todd. 104 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:05,760 » Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes. 105 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:12,160 » Uh, thanks for having me. Um, my name is Todd Bolt. I work for the Natural 106 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:18,800 Resources Conservation Service. I'm located in Fort Collins. Uh, I cover the 107 00:11:14,959 --> 00:11:23,839 entire state uh of Colorado for NRCS and I manage the emergency watershed 108 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:28,800 protection program which is the program you were referencing with all of that 109 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:34,480 program statutory authorities. also manage the public law 566 which is 110 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:39,360 our watershed operations and then also our dam rehab. Uh you guys have been 111 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:42,640 working with Clinton Whitten is that correct Cali? 112 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:46,399 » Yes. >> And uh Clinton Clinton works for me. 113 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:51,040 He's located out of Steamboat. He's been up and around taking a look at the some 114 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:57,839 of the issues that are going on uh postfire uh with the rainfall and and 115 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:02,240 the runoff that's occurred. So to get right into it, the objective of the 116 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:07,600 Emergency Watershed Protection Program, and I'm sharing my screen. I don't know 117 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:12,880 how well you can see that, but hopefully you have a sheet of paper that you can 118 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:17,200 follow along with. Um, the Emergency Watershed Protection Program is set up 119 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:22,639 to um relieve imminent hazards to life and 120 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:28,240 property caused by a watershed impairment. And a watershed impairment 121 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:34,480 is a fire and then we have floods. The wershed is impaired. It cannot act the 122 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:41,360 way it's supposed to act. So the primary goals of EWP are to reduce erosion, 123 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:47,120 sedimentation, and the threat from future flooding to life and property. 124 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:53,839 The key item here is, and I'm bringing this up. Hopefully, you can see that um 125 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,920 implementation or the flowchart fairly well. Um I'm not going to get into great 126 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,079 details of this. I think what you're really interested in and and and correct 127 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:08,240 me if I'm wrong. You guys want to know what what you have to do once you 128 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:13,360 request assistance. And so but the process is 129 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:19,440 » you have to rec a sponsor has to request assistance from to our agency and our 130 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:23,440 boss is Clint Evans. That's why you referenced him and you have to send in a 131 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:27,600 request to him and say, "Hey, we need assistance under this program due to 132 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:32,560 this fire and the and the flooding that we're getting." and that you have to do 133 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:37,360 that within 60 days. And then we we have some time to come in and help you out 134 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:41,680 and assess the damages and come up with a cost estimate and see what 135 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:47,040 everything's going to take to get uh protect life and property. So, you need 136 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:51,760 to be a sponsor needs to be a unit of government, which you are. So, we're 137 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:58,000 good there. the responsibility of the sponsors. You must request assistance in 138 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:03,839 writing to my boss, Clint Evans, who is the state conservationist for NRCS in 139 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:12,639 Colorado. You must let the public know that this program is available. And this 140 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:18,800 is the one big thing to remember here is NRCS in this program works through the 141 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:24,880 sponsor to provide technical and financial assistance to address the 142 00:14:21,839 --> 00:14:31,040 issues that are occurring on private property and also any public 143 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:36,399 infrastructure that might be impacted postfire. 144 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:42,959 So all of that means is you guys are in charge of working with the land owners. 145 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:49,360 We provide the guidance and technical and financial assistance to get the work 146 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:54,560 done to you so that you can help the private land owners or take care of the 147 00:14:51,920 --> 00:15:02,320 protection of infrastructure, county roads, county infrastructure, etc., etc. 148 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:08,000 Um so we put after After we get the request from you, then 149 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:16,639 we initiate what's called a damage survey report team, which would be NRCS 150 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:22,880 and Rio Blanco personnel to go out and take a look at what the potential or 151 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:27,600 already damaged sites are, what it's going to take to protect those sites, 152 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:33,680 come up with a cost estimate, and then therefore request assistance from 153 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:40,880 national headquarters in terms of dollars that would help pay for the 154 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:47,760 installation of this stuff. You guys are required to get access or permission 155 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:52,160 from the land owners to do the work. So, John Q public out there, you are 156 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,639 required to go out and say, "Hey, we want to do this on your property to 157 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,480 protect your house. Are you okay with that?" And you have to get permission to 158 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:05,199 do that. If there's a permit that's required from the feds or the state or 159 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:14,079 the local government, you're required to get those permits. Um, if you go out and 160 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:21,920 hire a private company to do all of this work that might come from EWP, 161 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:26,959 you guys have to administer the contract to do that with that contractor. We 162 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:32,959 oversee that to make sure that everything's being done correctly. But 163 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:38,480 you're responsible for requesting bids, requesting or approving bids, and 164 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:45,040 then following the cost and making sure that uh uh everything by that contractor 165 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:49,360 is done according to NRCS standards and specs with us overseeing and helping you 166 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:54,639 out. The big number is we pay for 75% of the 167 00:16:52,720 --> 00:17:00,639 cost. The sponsor has to come up with 25%. As 168 00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:05,280 I talked to Cali about this, we prefer cash, 169 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:11,439 but if you don't have cash, you can offset that with inind services. And we 170 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:20,480 can get into the gory details of that, but that just basically means um labor, 171 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:27,280 machinery, uh time by the county can be used by doing the work can be used to 172 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:36,240 offset the cash requirement. We have to agree on what those costs are prior to 173 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:40,640 getting to work. As I told Cali, you know, some guy working a shovel, 174 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,559 we're not going to pay him a hundred bucks an hour. That's all there is to 175 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:48,880 it. You know, whatever whatever you would charge for that from a county 176 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:54,200 perspective, that's probably acceptable. And then um after that 177 00:17:54,799 --> 00:18:02,240 the only other responsibility that you have after paying the bills we it's a 178 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:06,240 reimburseable program. So you pay the bills we reimbur you submit for 179 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:12,320 reimbursement. We don't give you the cash upfront um to go out and and and 180 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:17,840 and hire these contractors and pay them and everything else. You got to uh um 181 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:21,760 get reimbursed. We are pretty good about getting reimbured within a couple of 182 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:26,799 weeks. So that's no issue. And then after it's all said and done and the 183 00:18:23,679 --> 00:18:31,520 work is installed, the sponsor is responsible for the operation and 184 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:37,440 maintenance of the items that we put in. So, if we 185 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:44,960 put in some flood barrier bags to protect a house, there's another event 186 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:49,440 that comes along and damages or moves those 187 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:55,360 blood barrier bags, then the county is responsible to uh operate and maintain 188 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:59,280 those as they were designed to protect that house. 189 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:04,799 And then I get into a lot of details of the damage survey report, priority list, 190 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:11,520 eligibility sort of stuff. You can read through this. Here's a matrix that we 191 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:17,360 have on what's high or low uh uh risk sort of stuff and some other stuff. But 192 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:21,440 that's that's the gist of it um for you guys to consider. The first 193 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:26,160 step again to review is you have to request assistance. And Cali, I think we 194 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:32,960 had you were having a conversation with um Clinton on this. Just to assure you, 195 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:39,760 uh requesting assistance does not commit the county to anything. All it does is 196 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:45,520 initiate NRCS to come out and start working with you and whoever your 197 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:50,240 partners might be to do a damage survey assessment. And that basically is coming 198 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:55,600 up with what are we going to do to protect life and property and how much 199 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:59,200 is it going to cost? And then once we get that done, you guys look it over and 200 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:06,799 if you're okay with it, you sign the damage survey report. We submit that to 201 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:12,720 national headquarters. We get money back from them and then what happens is 202 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:20,240 we uh put together an agreement between NRCS and the county. and it says the 203 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:26,160 county will do this, NRCS will do that, and here's some timelines that we need 204 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:29,840 to meet, and that's basically how the program works. See, Cali, I told you it 205 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:35,200 was simple. >> Okay. Yeah, right, Todd. 206 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:38,799 I know better than this. >> It's it's simpler than a lot of programs 207 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:45,840 you might be involved with. That's for sure. 208 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:51,200 » Yeah, exactly. So just um so the county could send in this letter, get things 209 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:55,039 rolling. That gives us time to work with the conservation district and then if 210 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:01,200 the conservation district decided to be the sponsor, they could do that. Is that 211 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:06,640 correct? Well, technically if the count if the if the county is going to submit 212 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:12,240 and then the conservation district's going to be the sponsor, um 213 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:18,159 realistically we should be getting a request from the conservation district 214 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,919 sometime within that 60day time frame. Okay. 215 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:25,679 » Okay. >> Right. I because I I if I I need 216 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,760 whoever's going to be the sponsor, they got to ask for they got to ask for help. 217 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:34,640 Well, the elephant in the room here is the 25%. 218 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:39,360 » Yeah, I know. >> That the county is going to have to come 219 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:43,039 up with or the conservation district. Yes, Vicki. 220 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,760 » I think another part of the elephant in the room will be 221 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:51,200 the management of that. You're going to have to increase staffing. We don't have 222 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:56,320 existing staffing to be able to manage that. Plus, I think you're going to end 223 00:21:52,640 --> 00:22:01,760 up look adding grant management to this piece. So I think that definitely will 224 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:05,360 have to be part of that consideration. >> Not only do you have manage the 225 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,480 management process of that. >> So let go 226 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:12,559 » let me back up just a little bit. So there's let's say we go forward with 227 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:18,400 this. Let's say it's a million bucks. Okay. Just a nice easy number to work 228 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:23,760 with. So uh we're going to provide $750,000 229 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:26,640 worth of construction money. Uh and then the county's on the hook for the 230 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:31,039 $250,000. Right. So, that's for the construction 231 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:36,720 money. There's two pots of money. One of them is called FA, financial assistance. 232 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:41,280 That's the construction money. That's that $750,000 233 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:47,200 of federal funds coming in and you're on the hook for $ 250. The other side of 234 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:53,200 that is what's called technical assistance dollars. Hold on. 235 00:22:50,880 --> 00:23:02,960 Technical assistance dollars. Those are TA dollars. And that's based on a a 236 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:09,520 a calculation of 15% of the estimated construction cost. So 237 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:14,880 we estimate through the damage survey report that it's going to cost a million 238 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:18,240 bucks to do this all this work that might need to be done in Rio Blanco 239 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:24,880 County. It's Cal TA technical assistance is 240 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:33,520 calculated at 15% of construction costs. So that's $150,000 241 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:43,080 of TA that comes in with the $750,000 of FA of federal dollars. So you we put 242 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,080 a portion of that $150,000 243 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:51,039 plus all of the financial assistance the 750 244 00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:57,440 we put that into the agreement that the reason I'm telling you this 245 00:23:53,440 --> 00:24:04,640 you can use those TA dollars to reimburse employees or or or have us pay 246 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:09,840 for employees administering these contracts. administering this agreement 247 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:16,960 and doing all of the administrative work that needs to be done to implement this 248 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:23,200 project. You can also use those funds to go out and hire an engineering firm to 249 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:30,880 man or a consulting firm to manage this project for you. So, it's not going to 250 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:36,880 be money from a project management standpoint. It's not going to be money 251 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:45,039 out of your pocket because we will reimburse you for those administrative 252 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:49,919 costs at 100% of those costs as long as they're reasonable. Right? So, you can't 253 00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:54,480 be charging us 500 bucks an hour from for somebody running a copy machine. You 254 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,960 see what I'm saying? So those are the two the two funds that come into this 255 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,960 thing is the FA which is the construction which you're on the hook 256 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:07,919 for 25% or incind which can offset that and then 257 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:12,720 also the TA which is the 150 I was talking about. Does that make any sense 258 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:16,720 or is that kind of clear or >> Well, but the other thing Todd, I think 259 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,880 you're making it sound like the county has to actually provide the money 260 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:27,039 » and my understanding is the state, we would work with other partners to get 261 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:31,120 that 25%. >> It doesn't have to come out of counties 262 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,320 coffers. It can come from the state, the Colorado River District, or others. Is 263 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,760 that true? >> That's true. you can work out an 264 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:44,880 agreement and have an agreement with them for them to reimburse you or supply 265 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:48,480 you money. So, that's fine. We're good with that. 266 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:51,919 » And we have time to figure that out once we send this letter, whether it's the 267 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:56,960 county or the district requesting the assistance while you're doing the damage 268 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:01,200 survey report. And then you give us the dollar figure that it would be, we can 269 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:06,880 be working with those other partners. I say we, whether it's county or district 270 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:11,039 to determine if they will pay the other 25% 271 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,880 before we ever sign your agreement that then would kick off the 220 days. Is 272 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:21,760 that true? >> That is true. If it that is true to 273 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:25,679 there there's Yeah, I'm just going to say that's true right now. We'll keep it 274 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:28,679 simple. >> Okay. 275 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,279 So, I think we as the county need to have this conversation with the 276 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:41,440 conservation district. And the reason I'm saying that, you you know this 277 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:46,799 better than I, but typically across the state, it's the conservation district 278 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:52,320 that does this when NRCS comes in with an EWP. Is that accurate? 279 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:56,640 » Uh, no, it's not. >> Okay. 280 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:01,600 So we go just the most recent history, the East 281 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Troublesome Fire down in Grand County. Northern Water was the main sponsor uh 282 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:14,960 above Windy Gap Reservoir and then below Windy Gap, Grand County was the sponsor. 283 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:19,760 So we had two specific sponsors for two specific areas. The Middle Park uh 284 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:25,520 conservation district was heavily involved with that from a landowner 285 00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:32,080 outreach situation, but they did not provide uh they were not a sponsor so to 286 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:37,600 speak. Uh they were just supportive of Northern Water and supportive of Grand 287 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:44,000 County. On the Cameron Peak fire, it was city of Gley L and Lmer County that were 288 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:49,360 the two main sponsors for the work that got taken care of off the Cameron Peak 289 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:52,880 fire. Uh Callwood fire, that was Boulder County. 290 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:57,360 » Okay, so I for >> I can go on and on. The one in 291 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:03,840 Glennwood, it was the city of Glenwood, Pine uh Pine Gulch, uh was uh Mesa 292 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:10,399 County, and then we also had Garfield County on that, too. So, it's you that 293 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:15,840 the conservation districts typically have not been involved uh in recent 294 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:22,039 memory going back to when I started working on EWP full-time uh 2015. 295 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:31,360 » Okay. Thank you. So 296 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:37,600 the 25% if uh the county's budget right now is not in 297 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:44,159 very good shape. If we decide that we want to pursue this, can we get the 298 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:52,000 private land owners to kick in the 25% and is that u an option? 299 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:57,399 » You can do that. It is. Yes, it is an option and it is a royal pain 300 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:05,360 » to try and collect it. >> Not not only that, not only that, let me 301 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:11,120 let me we did this on the Spring Creek fire with Warfan County. Uh they they 302 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:16,399 were adamant that they wanted to have the land owners have some skin in the 303 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:22,480 game. And so whenever there was a change order during 304 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:28,320 construction, so we had 100 ft of this, it was going to cost 1,000 bucks to do 305 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:33,679 this, whatever we were doing down there. Now when there was a change order, now 306 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:38,399 we're going to do 125 ft of whatever it was. And that increased the cost. All of 307 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:43,760 a sudden, we got to go through this. The county had to go through this whole 308 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:50,159 process to work with the land owner for the increase in cost for the additional 309 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:55,039 25 feet and it just turned into a nightmare from an administrative 310 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:59,679 standpoint. It really did. Uh and if you want to take that on and and you think 311 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:04,799 that's worth it, uh go ahead. But you have to get permission from that 312 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:08,240 landowner first and foremost to do the work. And then you're going to have to 313 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:13,840 have that follow-up conversation with them. Okay, now we come out and say this 314 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:21,360 thing's going to cost, you know, $5,000. You're on the hook for 25%. So that's 315 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:26,399 what a,000 bucks, let's say, or 1,250 bucks. You're on the hook for 1,250 316 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,919 bucks, landowner, to get this work to protect your property. And you're going 317 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:35,520 to have to have some agreement and some process all set up for them to pay you 318 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:39,840 $1,250. And then like I just said, if it changes 319 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:44,960 all of a sudden now the cost went up to six grand or 7500 320 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:50,640 uh whatever for whatever reason because nothing ever goes in, you know, right as 321 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,640 it was designed and there's always a little something going on there. Um then 322 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:57,840 all of a sudden we got to get the landowner permission that they're on the 323 00:30:56,159 --> 00:31:05,279 hook for an additional x amount of dollars. So, like I said, in in in in 324 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:10,399 hindsight, I would not recommend doing that unless you are adamant that you 325 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:14,480 need the land owners to chip in on this thing. 326 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,520 » Well, it's not necessarily the adamant that they need to chip in. It's where 327 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:22,640 else are we going to get the money? >> Yeah, I understand. 328 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:26,880 » I appreciate your input. >> So, Todd, just one last thing and then 329 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:31,200 we better move on to our other stuff. Um, 330 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:40,080 so that 60 days to get the letter in there is from when? 331 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:47,360 » When you get uh access basically. So when it's safe to go into the area to 332 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:51,679 assess the damages. I'm assuming that's already occurred. I saw some emails 333 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,399 going back that that was August 25th. Is that correct? 334 00:31:53,360 --> 00:32:00,080 » Yes. So August 25th would put us somewhere in 335 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:07,919 October, right? Say October 24th or whatever the day would be. Yeah. So it's 336 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:14,480 it's based on when access is allowed to get in to do this damage survey 337 00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:18,880 assessment. >> Okay. 338 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:23,519 Thank you, sir. Appreciate all the info. I know we will have plenty of other 339 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:29,120 questions, but thank you. You're welcome. So, I sign off right now. 340 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,200 » I think you're good to go with that. >> All right, you guys have a great 341 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,720 meeting. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. 342 00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:35,720 » All right. Byebye. 343 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:41,600 » So, >> lots of food. 344 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:44,720 » So, you don't want toize this right now? 345 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,279 » I don't think we do just yet. I think we have some more conversation of who 346 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:52,960 submits that. >> Okay. Very good. 347 00:32:50,880 --> 00:33:00,640 Okay. Good discussion. So, we're going to move on now to business 348 00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:06,240 line B. >> Mr. Chair, I would move ratification of 349 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:11,760 contract amendment with Kenneth E. Harrison Family Trust amending the 350 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:18,559 contract to end one month early on September 30th, 2025. 351 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:25,360 » I will second that. So what this is is this this was a uh 352 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:28,720 when we were looking for a u 353 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,200 accounting >> finance director 354 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:39,519 » finance director thank you finance director. We there was no place in Mer 355 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:44,440 to live and we were aware of that and when we started uh uh doing 356 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:53,519 applications and stuff, we thought that it would be a uh benefit if we had a 357 00:33:51,279 --> 00:34:00,399 house for this person to live in when they got here. We went out on a limb and 358 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:08,960 rented a house to do that. We cannot find a finance director. 359 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:15,280 Um, and so we rented a house and didn't fill it up. Now, we're trying going to 360 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:19,200 end that contract early because we don't nobody's using it. So, we're going to 361 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,599 end that contract early. That's what this is about. 362 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,560 Um, I'm going to second it. Did I second it? 363 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:33,040 » I think you did. I think we're good to call. 364 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:36,040 » Okay. So, we need to roll call, please. >> I 365 00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:44,839 » Okay, let's move on to line item B. 366 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:54,560 Mr. Chair, I would move to ratify um anou with Yampa Valley Community 367 00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:59,760 Foundation, an existing 501c3 organization as fiscal agent for the 368 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:04,480 purpose of recovery efforts for the Lee and Elk fires. 369 00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:09,839 » I'm going to second that. This is a uh people wanted to start 370 00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:16,800 making donations to the victims of the Lee and Elk fire and the county entered 371 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:22,480 into a contract or anou with Yampa Valley Community Foundation to accept 372 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:29,359 all of the money and then go through a process to distribute that money. And we 373 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:34,880 were able to uh put some people on the board that decided where that money 374 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:40,960 goes. And um I think it's going to work out pretty good. It kind of puts our 375 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:46,480 intention was to funnel the money to one place and then distributed instead of 376 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:51,680 having money spread all over the place. Our intention 377 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:55,040 » and I might I would like to because in that contract it says that they will 378 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,800 provide us I think it's monthly or quarterly how much they've got. 379 00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:02,880 » We need to follow up with that and make sure that we see that. I haven't seen 380 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:09,200 it. You may have. I don't think that uh they have distributed any monies yet 381 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,599 » but yes we'll find out follow up with them. 382 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:16,920 » Okay. >> You please call the role. 383 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920 » I 384 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:28,680 » Okay, let's move on to line item C. >> So, Mr. Chair, I would move the um to 385 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,680 approve 386 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,720 under CRS31-1-902 387 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:43,760 um.51B of whether the certified copy 388 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:49,599 of the resolution of Eastern Rioano County Health Service District Doing 389 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:54,000 Business is Pioneer Medical Center to increase the board from five members to 390 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:59,280 seven members. is a material modification of the district's approved 391 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:06,240 service plan. >> I'll second that. 392 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:12,240 » So, let me explain where the county stands on this and and what our deal is. 393 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:18,480 And I agree with Bobby that that uh when with your comments earlier, the way that 394 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:23,680 that was gone done was was uh for lack of a better word, sloppy. 395 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,640 the judge turned it down because of the the 396 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:33,040 statute that they used to do it. She had no authority to do it under that 397 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:37,680 statute. And so she just said she didn't turn it down the the the 398 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:41,280 board number down. She just said I have no 399 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:48,079 authority to do anything and so I'm denying your motion is what she did. So 400 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:55,680 that didn't do anything to uh the the service plan. Then it came to 401 00:37:51,280 --> 00:38:00,880 the county and the county uh for some reason didn't they said that it didn't 402 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:06,800 look like it would affect the service plan that they had filed. When a special 403 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:12,640 district is formed, they have to file a service plan with the county 404 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:18,320 and and uh they have to maintain that service plan and the county at that time 405 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:23,280 determined that they that would not affect the service plan. So they didn't 406 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:29,280 respond. Then uh 407 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:33,040 the hospital board then decided to go back 408 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:39,680 well then the hospital board did it through a some other way by changing 409 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:44,800 their bylaws or something like that. And uh so they went to a fiveman board. I 410 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:51,119 don't know that that was ever legally a fiveman board but that's not our issue. 411 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:57,599 The issue now is that they used a statute to go back to a sevenman 412 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:04,720 board. The statute that they used to do that does not give us authority to 413 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:10,320 appoint people. It does not give the hospital district authority to appoint 414 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:16,720 people. It has to go to an election. the statute that they that their lawyer used 415 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:23,599 to go back to a sevenman board, it has to go to either a special election or a 416 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:29,680 regular election. So, we have no the way that the the hospital filed for this. We 417 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:33,119 there's nothing we can do and there's nothing the hospital can do. 418 00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:38,599 It has to go to a special election unless they file something different. 419 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,599 So that's the story 420 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,240 » if I may. >> Yes. 421 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:56,400 » But we're saying we there is no material impacts to go 422 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:02,640 from five to seven. So we are supporting that with this motion. Correct. This 423 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:07,520 motion is saying that they there's this does not affect the service plan that 424 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:13,560 they filed with the county of rec for record and so we don't have a problem 425 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,560 with it 426 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:23,200 and I wish it was different but because of the statute that the lawyer 427 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:26,440 used we have nothing we can do our hand are tied. 428 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,640 Did I second that? >> You did. 429 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:34,359 » Okay. >> Overton. 430 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:34,359 » I 431 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:44,560 » Okay, let's move on to line item D. >> Mr. Chair, I would move um approval of a 432 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,960 renewal of an agree of agreement for services 433 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:54,160 with Redlands Accounting for interim finance director services. 434 00:40:51,520 --> 00:41:00,880 » I will second that. Um, as I stated before, we are having a 435 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:07,520 hard time finding a uh finance director and so we contract with uh Lisa, who is 436 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,920 the owner of Redlands Accounting to help us get through the these hard times and 437 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:19,280 she's doing a really good job and we need to retain her until we can get this 438 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:24,880 position filled. We do have some uh uh resumes in now and and are going through 439 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:31,680 the process. So hopefully we can get this taken care of, but until 440 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:38,520 then we need to retain Lisa uh Redland services 441 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,520 for the interim. 442 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,560 » Would you please call the role? >> I 443 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:53,359 » Okay, let's move on to line item B business E. 444 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:58,880 » So Mr. Chair, I would move um to approve the core service plan for the second 445 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:04,599 year of a three-year plan for human services. 446 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,599 » I will second that. 447 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:14,640 » I'm going to have to get somebody else to help me out with that. Vicki, would 448 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:19,920 you help me out with line item E, >> which is the services plan for human 449 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:25,359 services? Okay. So that particular plan is something that comes up annually and 450 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:32,640 what that is is what DHS has to do for minimum um DHS contracts. So core 451 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:39,920 services would be like your um child interaction uh therapies um if there's 452 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:47,200 alcohol counseling, if there's um it's it's like when a DHS plan comes about, 453 00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:51,200 it's how do you get the family reunited? That's what the poor services plan is 454 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:57,920 and the state gives us an appropriation of money for that and this is the second 455 00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:01,839 year of that particular plan. >> Very good. 456 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,359 » Would you please call the RO? >> Hi. 457 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:11,480 » Hi. >> Good. Let's move on to line item 458 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,480 business F. 459 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:23,200 » Mr. Chair, I would move approval of the 2025 RBC EEO and I can never remember 460 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:28,680 what that means. Mer Airport Cter um Cterfield winter maintenance policy and 461 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,680 procedure. 462 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,560 » I'll second that. Eric, do you want to explain that a 463 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:43,440 little bit? >> Um yes, sir. So this is uh a general 464 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:49,920 general policy to align how Maker airport manages winter maintenance at 465 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:56,720 the airport. Um the intent of the policy is to clarify the responsibilities 466 00:43:53,040 --> 00:44:02,560 between the county and airport oper uh managers snow removal or winter 467 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:07,200 maintenance procedures and uh and methodology. and then also 468 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:13,839 privatelyowned hangers and their responsibility for the exclusive area in 469 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:21,119 front of their hangers. Uh it is also intent is to align with FAA and CD 470 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:26,000 aeronautics guidance on how as sponsors uh as real county as the sponsor of the 471 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:32,560 maker airport manages the airport for winter maintenance along with how the 472 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:37,040 FAA and C. Aeronautics uh use the exclusive area for privately held 473 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:42,800 hangers. The uh definition of exclusive area for 474 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:48,720 privately held hangers is the 50 foot in front of the hanger from the front face 475 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,440 of the hanger that ties to the apron or general use area. 476 00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:01,920 The uh one of the key aspects of it is that then this will then tie to ground 477 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:07,560 lease expectation or ground lease uh terms and conditions 478 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,560 for the hanger. 479 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:20,000 Okay. So, I have some questions and I didn't get to um visit with you about it 480 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:28,000 before. Um and I So, one thing just a a what do 481 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,800 you call a formatting question I would have before we totally finalize it. Um 482 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,400 but I think if I'm not mistaken, those first three are basically definitions. 483 00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:38,800 Right. >> Right. 484 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:43,920 » Okay. I'd put that under a definition's title just so it's clear to somebody. 485 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:47,480 That's a minor detail. Um, under exclusive use, 486 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:56,319 I understand it exactly the way that you said it, but do I see in here anything 487 00:45:53,359 --> 00:46:01,520 that says that there is that 50 foot in front of this? 488 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:07,520 It talks about exclusive use areas 489 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:12,640 may include and I would suggest includes but are not limited to the land 490 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,920 footprint defined in the private um hangers ground lease. I guess that's 491 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:20,640 where it would be, wouldn't it? It would be in that ground lease is 50 feet. 492 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:26,480 » Is that true? Okay. Is that the way it is in our all of those current ones? 493 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:33,040 uh the um >> not necessarily because any ground lease 494 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:41,200 that was executed prior to 2023 when the FAA defined their or basically 495 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:46,000 uh started enforcing the exclusive uh use area and front hangers would not 496 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:50,400 have uh had that definition as clearly defined okay 497 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:56,000 » in those ground leases. But from moving forward from that point, new adoption of 498 00:46:53,280 --> 00:47:00,960 the ground lease. So it will have that 50 exclusive area property. 499 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,200 » Okay. So would there be value in actually stating 50 foot in here since 500 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,800 some of those don't have it yet? I don't know. I'm just thinking that might be 501 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,800 something that would be valuable. >> There's no issue with adding additional 502 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:16,560 clarification in the in the policy. >> Okay. 503 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,319 I I think that would help, but I hadn't caught that it would potentially be 504 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:25,480 under the ground leases, but I if we could makes sense to me. Um, 505 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:33,040 and so under number four, county responsibilities, 506 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:38,160 the county um responsible for performing the winter maintenance. So, are we going 507 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:43,280 to do that or is the manager going to do that? 508 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:48,640 » That is up to how we manage the airport. So if 509 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:53,920 » at the larger umbrella we're responsible as airport sponsorship to do airport for 510 00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:56,800 winter maintenance at the airports. >> Okay. 511 00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:02,000 » How we delegate those responsibilities within 512 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:07,440 uh FBO and airport manager uh contracts is is up to us as long as somebody's 513 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:12,160 covering winter maintenance. And so it's ultimately our responsibility. However, 514 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,079 we have the ability to delegate. And I would say the flexibility because there 515 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:19,920 may be a reason why I mean you're just saying the county owns the property. 516 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,720 This is what we're going to do but then we have the flexibility to say maybe we 517 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,720 decide the road and bridge is going to do it or maybe we decide someone's going 518 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,280 to do it or the FBO is going to do it. So 519 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:36,319 » again it's our responsibility but that gives us the flexibility to figure out 520 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,440 for what best meets the county purposes. >> Okay. And I missed this when I first 521 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,640 read it. My apologies because it does say through its designated airport 522 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:49,559 management. So that covers what my concern was. 523 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,559 Okay. Um 524 00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:03,440 so in the condo part we're looking at doing on that new one the bigger one 525 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:08,720 doing condos. So when if there becomes an issue 526 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:14,400 or back up so that 50 ft in front of in front of each one of those is that going 527 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:19,040 to be the associations um responsibility that's who we would go 528 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:23,440 to if there's an issue or would we need to go to each one of those four people 529 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:28,400 if it's sold or if it's four different people 530 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:34,240 » in addressing this to the uh the larger hanginger where it's it's four bays uh 531 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:41,440 the owner and and constructor of those hangers has elected to uh pursue doing a 532 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:47,440 condominium association so that they can individually sell off each hanger. with 533 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:52,640 that condominium association there'd be a declaration and in that it would 534 00:49:49,760 --> 00:50:00,160 clearly identify that the uh HOA or the however that's built would 535 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:05,040 be the ultimate responsibility with the the ground leases and then that then 536 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:08,960 falls to the individual owners that would then be part of that condominium 537 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:13,839 association in anger 538 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:18,240 ownership. So it being shared property and I by no means am I an attorney. So 539 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:24,400 » I meaning >> but as as I as I understand it 540 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,599 if we have issues we would address it with the the HOA or the condominium 541 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,079 association >> association 542 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:36,480 » and then condinium association would then need to address it with those 543 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:42,880 individual owners. again in the under the umbrella of keeping it defined 544 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:47,520 on roles and responsibilities yet also leaving flexibility amongst the parties 545 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:51,680 to figure out the best solution for the operation of the airport. Um, at the end 546 00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:56,800 of the day, if the condominium association comes back and let's say, 547 00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:04,800 for example, us as airport sponsorship, we write into the airport managers 548 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:10,640 contract as a subcontractor to the Rio County, their responsibilities is to do 549 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:15,040 winter maintenance for the airport. Now, it would be well within that airport 550 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:19,359 manager's contract if they want to negotiate with the condominium 551 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:24,640 association to come in and say, "Listen, it makes sense. I'm out here doing snow 552 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:30,079 removal. I know what needs to be done. It makes sense for them to strike up a 553 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:34,240 negotiation on how that's done. In that event, as an airport sponsor for Rio 554 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:39,920 Vaka County, we only care that we're meeting FAA seed obligations and good 555 00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:45,520 stewardship of the airport. And so, as long as snow is being removed and that 556 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:50,000 is we understand where those roles and responsibilities fall, then I feel like 557 00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:53,119 we're properly covered under both the policy and ground leases and airport 558 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:58,000 management. >> Yep. Okay. Thank you, sir. So that's the 559 00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:02,000 only thing I would just say is that one if we just kind of clarify the 50 foot 560 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:07,640 piece is the only thing I would suggest we update that. 561 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,640 Thank you. 562 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,720 » Okay. Any other discussion? 563 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,839 » Just call the roll. >> I 564 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:30,119 wait. >> Okay. Let's go on to uh business line 565 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,119 item G. 566 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,440 » Um 567 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:44,800 so can we have conversation about this before we do a motion? Do I need to move 568 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:49,440 that we discuss it? How do I do that? You can I believe you would move it, 569 00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:52,240 second it, and then it's open for discussion. And then at that point, if 570 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,119 you decide you want to table it, you'd make another motion to table. 571 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,599 » Think about this. Just second on the record. 572 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,079 » So 573 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:21,839 I want to make So Mr. Chair, I would make a motion 574 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:27,040 to approve the EEO RBC Maker Airport Cterfield new building ground lease 575 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:32,400 amendment number one with hangers west with amendments 576 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:36,440 and those amendments. Miss I would like to have discussion first but 577 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:44,720 I think I forgot to bring it in. Okay. Um, 578 00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:49,119 » my apologies. I think I forgot to bring >> I'll second that for purpose of 579 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,119 discussion. You need to go get it. >> I think I got to run and get it. My 580 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,359 apologies, guys. M was must left it sitting there. 581 00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:02,760 » Okay. >> Don't run very fast for the record. 582 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,760 » We'll be here when you get back. 583 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:22,359 Okay. 584 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:08,960 Okay. So, the concern that I had is just again, and it's not about what's in it. 585 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:15,040 It's just I don't want it to tie us down to our snow removal. 586 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:21,119 and and I get the snow removal that's in this contract is equal to this one we 587 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:29,359 just approved. Right? So my concern is 588 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:32,960 a contract will supersede policy. Is that accurate? 589 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,400 » Not necessarily. >> If I don't 590 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:39,839 » policy is what what is your concern with the with the lease? 591 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,800 » I just don't want it to nail us down to that. So if later on Eric decided there 592 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:50,400 was a better way or a new way to do it, I don't want it in the lease. So or in 593 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:55,680 the contract. So I'm thinking even if we just said 594 00:55:52,240 --> 00:56:00,480 subject to county policy amendments in that section or something like that so 595 00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:05,920 that we're not locked in there >> because we are not going to amend that 596 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:11,680 to give them any more property. >> No, it's not property. All I'm talking 597 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:16,079 about is no removal. But the 50 ft is it's kind of the same thing as the other 598 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:22,000 deal. So by saying that you're setting that at 50 feet in the contract, you're 599 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:26,799 saying this that 50 ft is yours. No matter what, that 50 ft is yours. That 600 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:31,440 is in the contract. If we decide, if for some reason Eric's now decided that it's 601 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:37,680 more important for us to do something within that 50t that is the private 602 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:42,240 property of those hanger owners, we can do that. 603 00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:48,160 He just can't do less than that. He can't do, you know, I don't feel it. I'm 604 00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:55,440 going to just do, you know, >> I I think um the back story 605 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:59,680 set the context of terminology that's in the amendment with hangers west. 606 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:05,680 » Okay. And I and I want to hear that, but just just keep in mind 607 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:09,040 if it's not written, it's not there. >> Yeah. Okay. 608 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:14,799 » I would like to give context on what's why it was written the way it was. 609 00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:20,319 » Okay. Thank you. So um prior to Hangers West constructing their hanger which is 610 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:28,480 a 400 by 125 hanger uh which gives them 400 ft of linear linear uh space along 611 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:34,160 the GA ramp with their 50 foot exclusive use. The way the methodology in which 612 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:39,119 the county and of course by proxy the airport manager did snow removal is they 613 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:44,880 would blade all the snow off the edge of the GA ramp to the east. Uh this was 614 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:48,799 concerning for Hangers West when we wrote in that they would be responsible 615 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:54,000 for the winter maintenance for that 50 foot as if we were to stay with that 616 00:57:51,839 --> 00:58:00,720 same methodology and the winter maintenance, we would be plowing our 617 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:04,480 snow onto their apron. And it's much the same we experience it in our 618 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:09,520 neighborhoods, right? like the city the city guys they plow across the uh you 619 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,280 know through the uh street and then it covers your sidewalk and then you got to 620 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:18,400 go out and shovel it out. That's a that's a pain for a resident. 621 00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:24,960 That's a that's a significant task when you have 400 linear feet. And so the 622 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:30,000 going back and forth in that agreement, the hangers west just wanted to make 623 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:33,920 sure that they were clear on they understood that they're responsible for 624 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:39,520 that 50 foot of winter maintenance. They just felt that it needed more definition 625 00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:45,359 on methodology on how we do our winter main. So we're not creating a a bigger 626 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:50,000 problem than what they what they have and clarifying, hey, look, if you guys 627 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:54,880 are going to do snow removal into that 50 foot, please do it in a manner that 628 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:59,119 pushes it, you know, towards the north, towards the south, but doesn't create us 629 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:03,760 a a bigger mound of snow than what we have to so that we can properly adhere 630 00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:10,640 to our ground lease and make sure we're doing everything. 631 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:16,559 It's hard to write that so that you all understand it and that's what the goal 632 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:22,400 of that technology was in there. >> So help me understand what what just to 633 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,599 make it simple. What are what are we going to do with the snow? Are we going 634 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:28,960 to plow it onto the them and they're going to plow it back? Is it is it are 635 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:35,200 we going to plow it off the end? Is there a designated spot for the snow and 636 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:40,400 a and a way to do it or >> so? Uh this is a this is a tough one 637 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,359 because given the storm conditions, right? 638 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,119 » Yeah. >> Y 639 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:49,440 » um landing for years, culterary aviation for years. We assist with road and 640 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:53,520 bridge on the snow removal out at the airport. 641 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:59,280 » And so we assist with we have a truck that we provide culter aviation with a 642 00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:03,280 plow. It's a a larger single axle dump truck. you do quite a bit, but you know, 643 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:08,880 when you're talking thousands of feet of asphalt can get 644 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:12,720 bogged down. So, we do help with a a snowblower attachment to a front end 645 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:18,319 loader. So, they come in, they set that up, and they usually do a border area to 646 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,760 establish edge of runway, taxi ways, that kind of thing. And then that way 647 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:28,000 landing kind of see where he needs to push the snow. I believe right now the 648 01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:34,640 thinking is is that we move that snow to the north. there's a 200 foot area that 649 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:40,000 hasn't been constructed on. Uh we try to maximize the use of that. There is also 650 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:46,720 uh towards the very north of it. So that's kind of northeast section at the 651 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:50,079 end of uh the uh hangers west. And then there's uh and then there's a section 652 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:55,599 where there's no structure or anything at the very north. And so the the 653 01:00:52,000 --> 01:01:00,799 attempt is push as much as you can to that north to get it removed. work with 654 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:06,400 Road and Bridge to get the snow blown away from and then and then that allows 655 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:12,319 Hangers West and the other hanger owners to have the best shot of not being over 656 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:18,319 overtaken with snow from the large air prints onto their 50 foot exclusive. 657 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:23,119 I think a lot of this is figuring out how it works. It's just everybody's, you 658 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:25,280 know, Hangers West is going, "If you plow this all over onto us, 659 01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:30,720 » right, >> we're going to have a big problem." and 660 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:34,640 and as airport we're going yeah but you also need to take care of what's going 661 01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:41,119 on because we got everything else that we gota we got to do out there and so 662 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:43,920 » it's the uh the goal is to keep it broad yet 663 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:50,319 defined >> and yet and then you know and so if the 664 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:56,559 language isn't fitting I mean we could could work on that but that was intently 665 01:01:53,359 --> 01:02:02,000 » I totally get and understand that intent Yeah, I I think that this is going to be 666 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:06,880 a just knowing that the the plow that he's using is a side delivery plow and 667 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:11,280 so to move that snow the north is going to require new 668 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:17,040 equipment or or not new equipment but different methods and different 669 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:21,839 equipment. So, it's going to be a moving till they get it figured out 670 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,920 » and degree of storm. Right. >> Yes. 671 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,160 » Exactly. Last year wouldn't have been a problem. 672 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,720 » Yeah. We get five or six inches. No one's It's probably gonna be gone before 673 01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:35,119 they actually move. >> Yeah. we get a good two foot and and and 674 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:39,680 then another foot on top of that and you know that's when 675 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:43,680 it it becomes a logistics uh 676 01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:48,640 » and so the way that this is written is is uh 677 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:56,640 we're going to work together with them or we're going to uh plow our GA ramp 678 01:02:54,319 --> 01:03:00,240 and then take it all our snow north and they're going to take their snow north 679 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:04,960 or How how do you perceive that happening? 680 01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:08,240 » The the intent the way it was written is that we're we're going to try to get the 681 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:10,799 snow and the snow to the north and to the east away from their building, 682 01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:16,559 » right? >> And then use any means we can to kind of 683 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:21,760 keep it from creating a a big issue for them. Uh 684 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:27,200 the uh the tough part is is until we really start getting sto uh snowstorms 685 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:32,799 in and we have the new hangers, we now have a new facility there. Um there's 686 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,640 going to be some logistics working out. And then I'm I'm not the one personally 687 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:41,920 doing it >> or coordinating it. So, um, that's going 688 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:47,839 to be also tough because it's going to be left up to the build side to culture 689 01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:53,200 aviation and hangers west and everybody else out there. We currently have 690 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:58,720 texts where, you know, we've done snow removal for years. the um the small 691 01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:02,599 aircraft apron even though we call small aircraft apron is 692 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,000 the u larger 693 01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:14,480 that I'm I am adding some complexity doing where we're planning our farm and 694 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:19,599 I think there's just going to be a lot of things we have to work around and 695 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:24,960 change up how we've done it in the past doing as a result of the new 696 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:31,119 infrastructure and of course uh the new Yeah. And and and I can see that and and 697 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:36,319 snow removal is not cheap. And I can see us getting into a little more expense 698 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:41,119 there somewhere. Whether it's where that expense falls, I don't know, 699 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:46,160 but it's it's it's concerning. 700 01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:49,760 » It is. And and until we kind of see it in action, too. I mean, we can plan all 701 01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:55,680 we want. >> Exactly. But I mean, now we have a 400 702 01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:59,359 125 building. We're going to have a we're going to have a farm that we're 703 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:04,480 going to have to work around and some new roads and we're kind of shifting up 704 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:12,319 how we access the airport. I think those all create new new uh you know, and I 705 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:18,000 agree with your approach on it because, you know, we could hire an engineering 706 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:23,359 company to engineer the snow. >> Let's not. 707 01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:28,119 So what if our amendment is as simp 708 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:41,039 likely be adjustments. So we need to build something in that gives us that 709 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:47,760 latitude. So, kind of towards the end there, um, in partnership, in 710 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:53,760 partnership with owners or whatever, however you I know 711 01:05:51,280 --> 01:06:01,520 with words, but you'll get you'll get it, but in partnership with them and 712 01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:06,079 subject to county policies, you know, it could be adjusted something 713 01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:09,119 to that matter. I just think I know you're good enough with words to 714 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:13,599 understand that if that makes sense. I would like to be a a big advocate for 715 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:20,480 hangers west with this. I I have no objection and I think that there's no 716 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:26,559 harm in and are in this out. We are they are at a 717 01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:32,480 point of wanting to get CO this amendment needs to these signs that they 718 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:37,760 get their water meters get their se they move on they've done a substantial 719 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:44,640 investment airport. So if I would make a suggest if there's no objection that 720 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:50,400 that you guys are able to approve this and then in that we we iron some of 721 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:54,640 those those out that way I can then I can let the other pieces together part 722 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:59,359 of the body of this one is the creation of the condominium 723 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:04,079 the approval of the the additional area for the on-site wastewater treatment 724 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:08,480 system. Those are very crucial to them getting their CEO and I want to make 725 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:13,760 sure we don't we don't hold them up in the process of trying to cause them some 726 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:18,480 hard. >> I agree with you 100%. I'm want to get 727 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:23,760 this done also. >> Yeah. So, I would I'd love to to craft 728 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:30,640 that and then at least I could uh and I I could work with uh Vicki and Dawn of 729 01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:37,119 course uh in their make sure we get that ironed out but knowing the main keys in 730 01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:42,880 this we're okay with and then we kind of figure that language say okay upon 731 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:48,160 accept that okay >> so so my thoughts are exactly that I 732 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:53,680 don't want to hold it up I I think a motion will say 733 01:07:50,960 --> 01:08:00,000 approved with this you know minor modification or subject to a 734 01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:04,480 modification that satisfies those parties and that can happen with 735 01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:09,440 one conversation done so you move it on but I don't I 736 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:15,039 mean you can't sign a contract and then come back and change it without having 737 01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:18,319 another modification. Well, the way I would recommend is that you actually 738 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:22,000 just do agree to that and back the same part. 739 01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:25,000 They're not going to be able to get their 740 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,839 I wor 741 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:39,199 it doesn't fall in that amendment if this amendment right here doesn't 742 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:44,880 suffice. Remember, you still have legal evidence. So either party could say I 743 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:50,480 want another amendment to adjust this piece of it. I'm disappointed they're 744 01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:56,000 not here to have the conversation with I I'm not okay. It should be simple 745 01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:01,040 or two can they wouldn't be okay with it and 746 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:04,520 run it. That's my thought. 747 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:19,120 That's a read me the motion how you have the motion please. So it reads currently 748 01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:25,199 um move to approve the EO RBC field 749 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:28,279 LLC with you guys. 750 01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:45,080 gives you. 751 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:56,679 I bet I have 752 01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,440 too much today. 753 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,199 I don't want to be difficult. I don't think 754 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:20,120 I just I'm saying that it could blow it up or 755 01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:30,080 it would be something need to go through the county. 756 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,080 They have legal representation. 757 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,480 whatever you want to do and then 758 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:47,600 if we do this the motion is right now it will have it 759 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:51,440 will postpone it will it will have to go through the attorneys and come back to 760 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:55,280 us. >> Well, they signed the agreement as it 761 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:59,679 is. They've already executed the agreement as it is. 762 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:06,480 So they think which is typical we as to 763 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:10,400 execute and then you guys execute. So by >> so that's news to me but I don't see any 764 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:17,760 signature on nobody had told me they actually find it. the uh the attached 765 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:22,480 document. So to save on time, we uh we attached the final word document to the 766 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:27,199 agenda items and that was done for request for the agenda to give us time 767 01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:33,120 to review the documentation for today's meeting. 768 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:39,440 Then on on Monday of this week, they had sent over the fully executed agreement 769 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:44,800 and then we attached that to the u the u the gym items and we said that I gave 770 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:52,000 that verification to them that I wanted them execution so get this into a 771 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:59,000 circular loop that we signed it and they get back you know and so they clear that 772 01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:59,000 up. So they send that over Monday. 773 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:16,320 » So I guess bottom line is this has been a mess from the getgo. from what I can 774 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:19,480 tell they're here the getgo 775 01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:31,920 from all sides and all angles and I don't know I mean I'm not I do not 776 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:35,760 want to hold it up I do not but we've got to find a better way to do 777 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:39,760 business is all I'm going to say and so do they is the bottom line I'm not 778 01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:47,760 saying it's more their fault or our fault it is a mess and I'm being nice 779 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:52,320 and I I do not want to hold it up, but we are going to find a better way to do 780 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:57,199 business there and get these things done a lot more efficiently, effectively, and 781 01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:02,000 not put ourselves in this position that I feel like I am right now that I don't 782 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:08,000 have a choice. I'm not okay with that point. I don't have a choice. Well, I 783 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:12,640 think your option is you can table it and then we can send the amendment back 784 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:20,320 to them and say, well, they sign that and then represented so that it's done 785 01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:26,800 you know that were up that were holded up and is 786 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:30,400 pattern that's happened before in the horse and maybe it's better to just draw 787 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:35,040 a line and say no this isn't going to proceed forward let's draw line here 788 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:40,080 back up would make the whatever it is that would make the commissioners the 789 01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:43,920 board happy and you know for the betterment for the better business so 790 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:47,840 the county. You know, I think it's one of those things. We've done this 791 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:51,199 throughout the process. It seems like we set something and we've had to back up. 792 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:55,440 They've set something, they've had to back up. You said it's been on both 793 01:13:52,960 --> 01:14:00,640 sides of the table, but is it better to do that and not end up with what you 794 01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:04,480 want versus just making the decision now. So, 795 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:08,239 » so specific what you're wanting to change is the snow removal step 796 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:12,320 » is just to say that it's subject to policy. If policies change in the 797 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:17,679 future, the snow removal policies, that's all I'm asking for is that then 798 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:21,360 this doesn't hold us our feet doesn't make a mess for you down the road. 799 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:27,040 That's I'm just trying to keep it from making a mess for you down the road. And 800 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:32,640 maybe it won't, but maybe it will. >> And you feel that we can change the 801 01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:37,280 policy and this won't affect it. Is that what you were telling me? Well, I think 802 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,600 when the policy changes, policy can be I'm going to move it from the left to 803 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,600 the right or I'm going to move it from the right to the left. That's within the 804 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:47,360 county's discretion. So, the policies, you can amend your 805 01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:52,719 policies without affecting it. What sets this amendment is is that that 50 ft is 806 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:57,760 your private property. What we do, if we choose to pull out 807 01:14:54,560 --> 01:15:01,920 more, that's fine, but always we can't plow less than that. how we determine 808 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:09,280 how we want to plow it. Just like we have a contract right now with a um NBO 809 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:14,800 that is going to do the plowing for us. It's up to us to assign who is going to 810 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:20,880 do that. That's our policy. We have that capability. 811 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:23,840 » Yeah. Just to just because it bothers me a little bit, I guess it's not the 812 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,480 private property, it's their lease property. 813 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:30,719 » It's their lease property. I'm sorry. It's their their individual respond. I 814 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:35,840 mean, it's I guess I'm I'm thinking of that as nobody else can do anything with 815 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,360 that piece except for them. >> They're responsible for that 50 foot, 816 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:44,800 » right? That 50 foot. >> But does that preclude us from plowing 817 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:50,800 the snow on it because they're responsible for it? 818 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:54,800 We can still plow the snow on it. >> Oh, you No. Yes. Absolutely. So, you're 819 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,800 saying if we decided Eric wanted to plow up to the door? 820 01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:01,840 » Yeah. >> Absolutely. 821 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:08,880 Let me read the last sentence. See if it makes sense. Snow may be p pushed both 822 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:15,440 and it says may be pushed both north and south of the hangers. And in the case of 823 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:20,960 the for the south side, snow may be pushed from the access road between the 824 01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:25,120 hangers to the east over to the main north south access of the road. There's 825 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:30,000 something missing in that sentence there where that semicolon is. Um, but I'm 826 01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:37,400 almost thinking if we just eliminate that last sentence, you've got what you 827 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,400 need. They have their 50 feet. 828 01:16:50,640 --> 01:17:00,480 » I don't know guys. >> What if we do this? What if um 829 01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:05,840 » it's a stupid little >> We have another meeting coming up. We 830 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:10,080 probably could do a special meeting just confirm that that that they're okay with 831 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:14,960 that agreement. Um, 832 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:19,280 I think you could say, how about if you said contingent upon 833 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:28,640 that you're going to approve amendment one contingent upon an amendment agreed 834 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:33,920 to by the other by Hangers West. If they don't agree to that, then your amendment 835 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:38,800 fails to pass. If they agree to it and the attorneys 836 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:42,159 worked that out, then it would pass. That makes sense. I don't think you can 837 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:47,600 do that. >> There's another option here that we go 838 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:53,840 ahead and do this like Callie's talking and then I make a motion that we let 839 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:59,280 them have their water so that they can continue on. 840 01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:04,080 Is that an option? I guess one of the things that um might 841 01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:10,960 be a suggestion is you guys just strike through the snow all together 842 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:15,679 and uh initial executed that would then what is remaining in the 843 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:24,159 document is is the key aspects they need for a co and to create the condominium 844 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:29,800 association and then we could say uh per additional amendment clarification for 845 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,800 over 846 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:37,840 amendment. >> Yeah. You do a the second amendment. 847 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:42,960 » The reason that the clarification is in there is because Angers West was trying 848 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:49,280 to make sure that they were protecting that. Hey, 849 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:53,520 there's move to the north, south, you know, off of it. Just don't put it 850 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:57,440 on our apron and we then we can handle it. So if that needs additional 851 01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:03,600 clarification, um I believe you can do that if seen 852 01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:08,400 strike through in in agreements and then we put a note that says the additional 853 01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:13,600 amendment. >> So I I I see where you're going. I like 854 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:17,440 it. So my motion is going to but I don't think there's another amendment. It's a 855 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:22,719 matter of our motion and we accept it like I make the motion and either they 856 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,719 can initial it because they've already signed it and it's a done deal and we've 857 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:34,239 signed it and we're done. So I would just move that we strike 858 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:40,400 everything after owners and HOA. So it's the third sentence up. 859 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:43,960 I don't know if you can if you if you got do you have 860 01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,199 it 861 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:54,040 just the last sentence 862 01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,920 is the amendment that I would like on that. 863 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:07,920 » Does that make sense to you Doug? >> Yeah it does. I'm just wondering how 864 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:13,440 we're doing that. That's an idea. I'm not saying that. 865 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:16,880 » I I think it is. I mean, and I'm no attorney either, but I'm going to say 866 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,360 that we could move it forward that way and see what happens. 867 01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:24,880 » That That really wasn't where I was going. Procedural. Do we need to deny 868 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:29,280 the first motion and make another motion stating what you just said? Or can you 869 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:33,280 amend your first motion or >> I can amend the first motion because I 870 01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:37,679 basically started into that language. >> She did. At the beginning she said that 871 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:44,640 she was going to move with amendments and now you guys have decided. 872 01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:53,719 » So I will move an amendment to be striking the last sentence 873 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,719 in the winter snow. 874 01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:02,719 » I'll second that. >> So we need to vote on that. 875 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:06,880 » Correct. Will that work? 876 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:11,280 » I believe it will. >> Okay. 877 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:18,719 » It covers what we need to go. And then if uh from my viewpoint, if they they 878 01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:24,000 throw a their arms up and they say, "No, not accepted." Well, then then it goes 879 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:29,679 to the attorneys and then it's not on our our shoulders that we we held this 880 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:33,199 up one more time. But that's that's my personal. 881 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:38,000 » Yeah. >> And this isn't a hard I mean it says 882 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:45,199 May. So okay, I'm done holding everything up. Sorry. 883 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:52,639 » So if So what they're being held up on is the water meters to continue with 884 01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:58,159 their final. Is that correct? They they have three key factors in this 885 01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:03,199 amendment that's needed to add to their additional ground. 886 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:06,560 Uh one is that they have the additional permission for their on-site wastewater 887 01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:10,560 system, >> right? 888 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:16,480 » That they have the right to create the condominium association. 889 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:20,560 And then of course by having that this when this gets signed then they they 890 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:25,520 have the right to on-site water system and then they can we can then not hold 891 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:30,080 them up with giving the town the letter. It says please issue them the water 892 01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:34,239 meters and they have the water meters and then they can then send that to the 893 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:39,280 building official to get certificate occy and completion of the building and 894 01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:44,480 then they can be get the cognity. >> Right. So just so I understand when we 895 01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:50,320 do this that lets them do those three things. Without that this they can't do 896 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:57,360 those three things. Right. >> Thank you. Um okay let's uh vote on the 897 01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:02,320 amendment. I 898 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:04,560 » motion passed. Now let's vote on the original motion 899 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:08,000 » as amended. >> As amended. 900 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:12,239 Over to you. >> Hi. 901 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,880 » Hi. >> Thank you, 902 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:22,920 » Eric. And all I'm sorry to be a pain in the neck, but 903 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:22,920 » I do a good job of it. Sorry. 904 01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:29,719 » Okay, that's 905 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,719 » stay there for the DLC or the 906 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:33,760 » Excuse me. >> I was gonna ask Eric want to stay there 907 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,520 for the next >> I'm I'm hanging out. Okay. You got line 908 01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:39,679 item H and M. >> Okay. 909 01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:44,080 » Yeah. Okay. >> I guess this one's me too. 910 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:47,199 » I'm saying you don't get off the hook. >> Go back there and take a nap. 911 01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:53,880 » Okay. >> After the last one, 912 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,880 » business line H. 913 01:23:54,239 --> 01:24:00,080 » So, this is another one of those I'm really not comfortable making a motion 914 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:06,960 until we talk about it. Um because I don't understand what it really does. 915 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:12,880 Um, I'll move to consider the executing the BLM, Bureau of Land Management 916 01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:15,880 request for relinquishing of grant COC-19633 917 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:25,040 communication site logo. Motion to consider it. 918 01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:32,560 » Okay, I'll second it for the purpose of discussion. 919 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:38,560 » Yes, sir. Okay. So, we have two leased sites on Lobo, which is the mountain 920 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:44,480 here to the uh to the west here that we use as communication site. Um we have 921 01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:52,480 the original one which is is this and it it is uh expiring 2025. 922 01:24:48,960 --> 01:25:00,000 Um what we did was when we built the new tower communication site, we 923 01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:04,639 u demoed out the old there was a a shed and a smaller tower site and then what 924 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:12,159 we did was we went and we built our new tower site, our new building and that 925 01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:18,800 lease is is uh through 2045 with BLM. And part of that agreement with BLM is 926 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:26,639 that uh once this came up, there would be no renewal of this lease and that we 927 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:33,040 would have um no structures or equipment or anything there and they would then 928 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:37,120 accept that as as uh as as done with. Um I did a tour site with Katie Day with 929 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:42,239 BLM and we went up there and she inspected it said all looks good. there 930 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:47,600 isn't an old, you know, rusted old tower there. And then we're just basically 931 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:53,600 giving this lease, letting it expire and relinquish it back to BLM. 932 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:58,480 They're done at >> So that was contingent on the new lease 933 01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:02,800 that we turn this one back. >> Yes. 934 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:11,120 » Okay. Why is it a grant? >> BLM herbage and land granting. 935 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:14,159 um how they administer those type of sites is why it's considered a grant. 936 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,480 It's not a dollar grant. >> Different different meaning. 937 01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:19,199 » Okay. >> Thank you. 938 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:24,000 » Yeah. Thank you. Because I'm like going, why are we releasing the 939 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,320 We got a lot of stuff going on up there. So, okay. Thank you. 940 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,239 » Okay. >> Understand there's two. 941 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,040 » Any other discussion? >> Learn something new every day. 942 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:38,239 » Oh, so let's see. So, I moved consideration of 943 01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:41,760 » No, I think you have to. >> So, we're gonna 944 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:46,320 do >> Let's vote on that because we It's a 945 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,960 motion, right? 946 01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,679 » Does it not go through? Is the same thing if they open it for discussion and 947 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:56,000 then vote on what they discussed. Wouldn't that argue one motion? 948 01:26:54,159 --> 01:27:01,000 » I don't like that consideration thing, but um Okay. So, 949 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:11,679 Okay. So, Mr. Chair, I would move an amendment to my motion. 950 01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:14,800 » Motion on the table. >> Yes. So, I'm moving an amendment. 951 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:19,880 » Go ahead. >> Move an amendment to strike 952 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,880 consideration 953 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,600 and replace it with approve 954 01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:35,120 » exe executing the BLM. >> Good. I'll second that. 955 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:40,400 Will that work for you Vicki or good? Okay, let's vote on the amendment. 956 01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:46,600 » I >> motion passed. Now let's vote on the 957 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,600 motion. 958 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:53,920 » Over 10. >> I 959 01:27:51,040 --> 01:28:02,239 » Good. Motion pass. Good. You don't get to go anywhere yet. 960 01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:09,320 Okay, let's move on to line item B I discussion of the direction of the PAL 961 01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:09,320 park broadband tower. 962 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:22,080 Okay, so um I apologize if I go too far back or or too much in into detail. So 963 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:28,159 first is definition. Um the pow park tower can be referenced into basically 964 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:34,159 it gets referenced with three nimings. One is the pow park tower. The second is 965 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:39,679 Schulz tower given the lease agreement or for the tower spacing and then also 966 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:50,320 within our network systems we call it county road 127 tower. This tower is um 967 01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:56,000 was built under a um project that we did within the broadband network to develop 968 01:28:53,360 --> 01:29:03,199 uh secondary power sites to expand the broadband um network system, the fixed 969 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:08,159 wireless system out into Rio County. Uh that was outside of our primary tower 970 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:14,480 sites and also outside of our fiber network. This tower is um I think it's 971 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:20,480 approximately 40 foot tall. It has what's called a a back hole which means 972 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:27,520 it has a satellite dish on it and we call it radio backing but it has a dish 973 01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:34,400 on it and it receives uh a pointto-point communication from logo tower site and 974 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:39,520 then from there it has two sectors. uh these are radios that are on top of the 975 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:45,440 tower and they provide wireless internet to people within line of sight of that 976 01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:51,600 that tower. So then they have a radio on their house and these access points then 977 01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:57,199 distribute that network the the frequencies to do Wi-Fi to those houses. 978 01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:00,800 Um the site also because it does not have utility power meaning which you 979 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:08,560 know there's no power lines to that tower. It has a solar s uh power system 980 01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:15,920 to it. And so that amounts to uh two sections of solar panels. Those tied to 981 01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:22,159 um a main control system that then manages the two battery banks and the 982 01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:29,360 recharging of those battery banks and the power. This power is then utilized 983 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:35,360 to power the equipment that is needed for the access points in the back. Also, 984 01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:42,159 you open a secondary cabinet there. What is called POE, so power readther 985 01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:46,719 and there's also some additional um inversions for because the the power 986 01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:53,120 coming off the solar is DC. So, there's some equipment in there. 987 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:59,920 We have about 24 subscribers that was on this tower prior to the Lee and Elk 988 01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:05,920 fire. Um the uh the subscribers are both on the the two different sectors. 989 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:11,520 we uh kind of going back to the date. I think it was about 990 01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:18,320 I don't have um I think it was probably about that later part of the week of 991 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:24,800 August 7th that we saw the net where those radios go down and then it was the 992 01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:28,480 week of August 11th that we confirmed through photos because we still could 993 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:34,719 not go up to the site and actually see but we used a um spotting scope and 994 01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:41,440 could see that the the radios had experienced damage on the tower site. 995 01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:45,840 Um, we weren't able to actually go up to the site until the week of, I believe, 996 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:51,360 August 18th. We went up, we did the inspection. Essentially, the steel part 997 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:58,800 of the tower is good. the tower, its platform, the mounting brackets for the 998 01:31:54,800 --> 01:32:03,520 uh for the uh solar panels, the cabinets for the batteries, the cabinets for the 999 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:09,440 equipment are all in in good shape and do not need to be replaced. However, 1000 01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:15,040 everything else inside or both the solar power and and the radio equipment is 1001 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:20,000 have been burned and melted. And of course, even if it doesn't look like it, 1002 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:25,679 you're not sure quite what's going on. Uh we reached out immediately to uh thin 1003 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:31,679 air communications which is our provider of the cambium so the radio side of it 1004 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:36,320 and uh thin air solutions which were the solar side of it or estimates. It took 1005 01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:42,880 them a little while to get those estimates to us about about a week and a 1006 01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:50,159 half two weeks. Um and so we've now received those. The overall repair 1007 01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:54,440 summary for that is it's about 20 their estimate as $29,76123 1008 01:32:55,040 --> 01:33:04,560 for the repair of the solar system, the solar power system repair. 1009 01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:10,159 And I I apologize. Castle Rock Microwave is the ones I don't know if I them. 1010 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:14,560 Castle Rock is the site for the radio equipment and they've given us an 1011 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:17,560 estimate quote of $65,52.73 1012 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:28,880 to repair the radio equipment side. Um they're expecting a lead time on the 1013 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:35,199 equipments of between 4 to 8 weeks and then after that they uh there's a lead 1014 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:40,400 time of deployment of 8 to nine weeks from hey we got equipment we're now 1015 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:45,280 ready for a team to go up and deploy it. Uh we now have it up and deployed. Now 1016 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:51,480 we have it back and and working and now we have uh internet being provided to 1017 01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:51,480 our subscriber. 1018 01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:00,880 » So the total on that do you have the total 1019 01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:06,719 » about 95 roughly? >> That's okay. 95. 1020 01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:11,440 » Yeah about 90 94. Yeah $95,000 total repair. And that's that's assuming 1021 01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:16,920 that's no contingency. and we get deciding we're getting it out in our 1022 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,920 case. 1023 01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:23,159 » So, excuse me. Sorry. >> Um, 1024 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:29,280 » do Okay, so 24 people that were using it, they've been down for at least a 1025 01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:32,639 month, right? >> Right. 1026 01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:36,719 » So, do we know what they're doing in the meantime for 1027 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:46,080 » or for internet? >> Okay. Okay. So, I guess I would I I've 1028 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:52,639 heard from a few of them and I know some of them want it back up and going. Given 1029 01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:58,080 that cost and given what technology is available today, I think 1030 01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:05,120 we need to have a conversation with more of them. So, what if we did a I don't 1031 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:11,360 know if it's a workg group or a hearing or whatever to hear from those 24 1032 01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:15,600 people, you know, kind of what we could just have a conversation. I don't I want 1033 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:19,920 to just have a conversation about what what the options are if we showed them 1034 01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:24,400 different options and then what would work best for them. We'll never satisfy 1035 01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:29,520 everybody. We know that. But what would work best for most people as well as the 1036 01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:34,239 county taxpayers or covering it. Does that make any sense? 1037 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:40,800 » Well, I like the idea of of letting them come in and and voice their opinion. Um, 1038 01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:45,760 it gives us a uh line in the sand whether they they have an opportunity to 1039 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:50,719 come in. They may not. If they don't, then they've had their opportunity. If 1040 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:57,440 they do, then we can >> evaluate their conversation and and uh 1041 01:35:53,520 --> 01:36:04,560 move on. Where you at? I think that uh I you know I'm in the 1042 01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:09,360 support of the board um I think um this is a complex issue and so understanding 1043 01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:14,239 where they're at because the last thing we would want of course is to put 1044 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:17,280 resources and and money into repairing the site if they've already found 1045 01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:22,639 alternatives and they experience managing the 1046 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:27,760 broadband. Uh we get we get calls if there's disruptions of 10 minutes. So 1047 01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:35,920 there's there's a pretty low threshold of of um of expectations for us 1048 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:39,679 maintaining that network. And so uh this is a complicated this is not something 1049 01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:44,480 we'd ever thought, you know, and so I think having them come in and voice and 1050 01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:49,119 seeing where are they at. I mean, there's probably a number of them that 1051 01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:52,480 just, you know, there's many options or especially with low orbiting satellite 1052 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:58,320 internet that didn't exist when the tower was constructed and put in place. 1053 01:36:55,199 --> 01:37:03,360 Um, that's just becoming more and more of a better solution than than fixed 1054 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:07,920 wireless, especially given solar power. Um, and so they might have already said, 1055 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:11,280 well, you know, this is I was on the fence anyways because I needed better 1056 01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:15,119 internet and this was the one that kicked me over. So of those 24 core 1057 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:20,239 subscribers, there might be a certain number that has already moved on and I 1058 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:26,080 think that is good that's good data for us to know and and would help on 1059 01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:33,040 decision of where we want to go. >> And I I don't always understand this. So 1060 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:39,360 are they all county customers or do they go through 1061 01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:44,800 » Zimmeron? Does that is that an option? >> Yeah. So um when discussing network and 1062 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:49,520 and then of course internet service providers 1063 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:54,080 uh the network is is always us. We're we're the one providing the connection 1064 01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:59,199 managing of that for the network and then however they can choose to go 1065 01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:04,960 through real broadband as the internet service provider or Simron majority of 1066 01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:10,719 these customers are Simron's customers and so um they they go through and they 1067 01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:14,719 you know and then we we collect wholesale on management. 1068 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:18,000 » So we probably need to have Simmer on as part of that conversation as well. 1069 01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:24,080 » Yeah, they would be invited for sure. Yeah, I guess that's where I 1070 01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:29,840 » was notified of the outage. >> Yeah. So, they were they were notified 1071 01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:36,239 immediately. Um, this being such a new aspect, you know, we we were very honest 1072 01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:40,560 with someone and said, "Listen, um, uh, the tower's down. We know it experienced 1073 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:45,440 damage. We knew it was due to fire." what that extent was, you know, for a 1074 01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:50,880 while. I mean, when we got there, some of the equipment was still on and and so 1075 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:53,840 it was like, well, how much damage is there? We didn't know. And so, until we 1076 01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:58,320 got there and it got saved and then we got it in and we said, okay, now we 1077 01:38:55,679 --> 01:39:02,719 going to do reach out to our partners and figure out how much this event costs 1078 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:07,679 and how much needs to be redone. We've notified them, but we've also not had 1079 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:12,800 many answers for them until we've had this conversation. And of course, 1080 01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:17,679 there's also some complexity with our insuranceances and and FEMA response and 1081 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:23,520 you know, you guys been in the meat of that. And so there's those those aspects 1082 01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:27,040 too of it. And and so we we've really not had a lot of information to give 1083 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:32,000 them because we >> we didn't have. 1084 01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:37,440 So, I think this conversation leads to a much larger conversation and 1085 01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:45,360 I'm going to try and explain what I'm talking about is when the county decided 1086 01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:49,679 to uh do broadband within the county, it was a good deal because we were one of 1087 01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:57,360 the first counties in the United States to do it and we did a pretty good job of 1088 01:39:51,760 --> 01:40:03,440 it. Um, but we use these radio towers to do that. And at that time there was 1089 01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:07,119 no other technology to do it. Had the technology 1090 01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:11,840 that we have today with the low orbiting satellites been available then we would 1091 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:17,920 have never done it that way because it doesn't make sense to put that much 1092 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:24,560 money into a system to give somebody internet that 1093 01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:31,119 they could get way cheaper. the county essentially uh used grants 1094 01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:35,199 and stuff to get internet to people in remote areas that cost thousands of 1095 01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:42,480 dollars and we would have never done that had we knew known what was 1096 01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:49,440 available today. So where I'm going with that is because of the technology that's 1097 01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:57,280 available today I'm not sure that it is in our best interest to keep 1098 01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:03,040 the rest of our towers up. I think that we need to have a work 1099 01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:12,400 session to discuss this with the public and figure out what our what our uh most 1100 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:17,040 economical way is to get down the road. And and and I'm not talking about I'm 1101 01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:24,800 talking about the whole county. I don't think that that uh 1102 01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:29,679 it behooves the uh county to provide services for a very few in the future 1103 01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:35,280 that cost thousands of dollars when they can get it for hundreds of dollars 1104 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:40,560 themselves. So, I'd like to 1105 01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:48,159 get a a work session figured out that we can discuss this with the public and get 1106 01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:52,080 a direction for Eric to move on. 1107 01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:57,199 Where's that, Eric? Where are you at with that idea? 1108 01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:03,679 » I would appreciate that. Um, we have a lot of day-to-day operational decisions 1109 01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:10,639 that I have to make for the team and and having a pathway for board on how we we 1110 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:16,320 manage this and and how we inform our subscribers uh would help in us in 1111 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:23,920 building in the efficiencies because I mean technolog is moving and and demands 1112 01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:30,320 on on internet by our subscribers is getting more and more expansive and and 1113 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:37,440 you know the tough part is is um within the the fiber it's we have a much more 1114 01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:42,159 option array that's uh a lot easier to deploy and and you know much better 1115 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:47,760 return on investment for for us in the broadband but wireless is is a tough one 1116 01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:54,000 and then you have this new emerging or not new but you know that the emerging 1117 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:58,800 accessibility to the low orbiting satellite network systems that didn't 1118 01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:05,520 exist when we first deployed the X wireless is I full support of that 1119 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:10,960 » and it's my understanding that the fiber that we're using now they in the future 1120 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:16,880 there is nothing out there that anybody can think of at this date that's any 1121 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:22,800 better. So the fiber in the future we can't see an end to it. There might be 1122 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:28,719 someday but right now we can't see that. >> Yeah. In telecommunications, fiber is 1123 01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:33,679 king. Uh even when you're deploying a fixed wireless system, 1124 01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:39,440 you start with fiber because that's how you're able to increase that trunk line 1125 01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:44,800 and then you know uh for the foreseeable future when you have that connection and 1126 01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:50,800 we tried we tried a number of different ideas to get fiber at every address in 1127 01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:57,119 Rio Blanca County. We tried it in our CPF grant option that was well within 1128 01:43:53,679 --> 01:44:01,760 that grant to to make that lofty goal of getting fiber to every address knowing 1129 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:06,320 that that's that's the ultimate old standard for real WER County that we 1130 01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:12,560 want we'd love to achieve. We again did a a valid attempt in the bead given all 1131 01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:17,520 the many stipulations they had to try to expand that that our fiber network 1132 01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:22,480 knowing that that's the ultimate um it's not without trying and exploring many 1133 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:28,080 ideas have we not tried to get fiber out. we're just in a very um challenging 1134 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:32,400 geographical area that that makes those kind of 1135 01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:35,920 things and that's also partly into why it's wireless is so difficult because 1136 01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:39,199 without line of sight you don't have that 1137 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:44,239 » and and we just need to recognize that Gre Blanco County has been a leader in 1138 01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:47,199 this and we just need to keep thinking forward. Yes, Reggie. 1139 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:51,280 » I was just going to mention that same thing about going after the grants that 1140 01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:56,400 we did to try to try and increase the the fibers of the home footprint in both 1141 01:44:54,400 --> 01:45:00,639 communities, both Maker and Rangely. That doesn't mean that it, you know, 1142 01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:05,520 another grant may present itself that says, you know, you can, you know, it'll 1143 01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:12,560 now be feasible for us to push that fiber out further. Even if I chose at my 1144 01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:15,840 house to go to um >> Starlink, 1145 01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:20,080 » Starlink, I always forget. I always find I know what it is. But anyways, um if I 1146 01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:23,920 chose to do that at my own personal residence and then they end up running 1147 01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:28,480 Viber or there's an opportunity that fiber is going to come right by my house 1148 01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:33,199 through the power line through ground, whatever that is, it would still be 1149 01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:37,360 better at this point for me to say, hey, I can switch off that and then go on 1150 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:41,520 this. You know, it those funding decisions come up as technology of 1151 01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:46,560 course changes and increases, but like he said, fiber is the gold standard. So, 1152 01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:49,520 » well, I did just final comment, we'll move on. 1153 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:54,159 » If in this it it makes sense to me that if 1154 01:45:52,159 --> 01:46:00,480 we don't have to spend thousands of dollars on radios 1155 01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:06,400 to provide one person that we would have more money to expand our fiber, 1156 01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:13,440 we could use the money more wisely. Anyway, anything else? Anybody have any 1157 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:16,560 discussion on that? Okay. and let's move on. 1158 01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:18,880 Are you finished? >> Yes, sir. 1159 01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,119 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 1160 01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,760 » Thank you, Eric. >> Let's move on to line item business J. 1161 01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:37,520 » So, Mr. Chair, I would move approval of a letter or ratification of a letter of 1162 01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:42,960 support for the Northwest Colorado Outdoors 1163 01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:50,080 um 2025 regional partnership, we call it RPI implementation grant application. 1164 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:56,639 » I will second that. So that is um 1165 01:46:53,679 --> 01:47:03,600 regional outdoor partnership um is a effort I guess I would call it 1166 01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:06,880 that the state has is pushing. They created a regional partnership 1167 01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:14,159 initiative state level program very similar to the 1168 01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:20,719 Colorado water plan and then they are in that they have identified certain air 1169 01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:25,600 all areas grouped them into regionals regions and they're calling regional 1170 01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:31,280 partnership initiatives and 1171 01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:37,360 this is um some people look at it as 100% recreation 1172 01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:44,159 Um our take on it when you when they came and presented to us um is it's 1173 01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:51,119 about conservation, recreation, and he said keeping agriculture on the 1174 01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:56,719 ground. Um and I reference that because I've als I haven't read it every word of 1175 01:47:53,840 --> 01:48:02,239 it, but I am told that agriculture is included in the re the statewide report 1176 01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:09,280 27 times. So they do think that it's a value. Um so long story short, 1177 01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:13,360 there was an effort started. It wasn't have been very locally controlled. So we 1178 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:18,639 requested that it come back to the local level. The county and our county and 1179 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:26,320 Moffett County are in the same region. Um, so we have uh AGNC, Associated 1180 01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:31,679 Governments of Northwest Colorado is um the fiscal agent on that and we are in 1181 01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:38,560 the process of getting ready to start doing public meetings to verify what 1182 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:46,719 people really want to do in our area so that we can qualify for the $50 million 1183 01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:55,119 in Go funds that could help us do projects in this area. So, this letter 1184 01:48:51,199 --> 01:49:01,679 was looking at next year's funds was quite challenging to get that right 1185 01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:08,400 because we haven't while there's a lot of there has been some work done that 1186 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:14,480 has not been guided much by locals and then we have a number of local plans 1187 01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:19,600 that are out there. Um but we tried to word it so that it was fairly 1188 01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:24,400 um open and that we okay we think that 1189 01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:29,840 people will support this but if they don't we would look at these other 1190 01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:36,960 options too. So, this was just a letter um that we wrote in support of that 1191 01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:41,920 effort to try to get money for next year and it made it through the first round 1192 01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:51,600 and now we're being asked to come and do a presentation the end of September. So, 1193 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:56,239 long story for short line. Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. 1194 01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:58,880 You want to do roll call, please? Hi. Hi. 1195 01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:06,800 Okay, let's move on to line item business K. 1196 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:13,280 » I move the ratification of a letter for public public comments to the Colorado 1197 01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:18,480 Energy Office regarding the evolution um evaluation and assessment of local 1198 01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:23,280 government processes for the sighting of commercial clean energy and energy 1199 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:29,040 transmission project projects draft report. 1200 01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:35,800 And Reese did this. >> Second. 1201 01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:35,800 » Well, I want to second that motion. 1202 01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:43,040 » So, do you want to >> One of you guys needs to talk about this 1203 01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:49,040 because I'm >> so um 1204 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:55,600 it's basically for us it's solar energy, but they're also looking at windmills 1205 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:59,840 and so forth. Um, one of the things I'm trying to think of a conversation that I 1206 01:50:57,199 --> 01:51:03,920 had with the Delta County Commissioner. Um, 1207 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:08,560 one of the com I think one of the specific comments that Reese made in 1208 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:13,360 there was in regards to the cumulative impacts 1209 01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:16,960 of these. So that if there's one, you know, if there's one that's a 100 acres 1210 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:22,080 or one that's 500 acres is one thing, but by the time you add 10 of those, 1211 01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:27,119 that's a very strong cumulative impact, which of course oil and gas has to deal 1212 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:31,679 with um and address. And so we want to make sure that that's addressed and we 1213 01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:38,560 want to make sure that local control is still in control is the big message. 1214 01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:43,679 And yes, Reese wrote the letter for us and submitted that in conversations with 1215 01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:49,199 the Delta County Commissioner that's very involved in this and CCI. 1216 01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:55,679 » So, just to give you an overview, we are not in support of that. I'm going to 1217 01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:59,199 read you a one thing that Reese put in this letter. It says this report is 1218 01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:05,760 being utilized in conjunction with the state of Colorado's energy goals and it 1219 01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:09,280 is placing a burden of the delivery on the rural communities like Rio Blanco 1220 01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:13,679 County without giving the local governments the authority to manage 1221 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:17,840 resources appropriately. So, it's stuff that is being pushed down to us and 1222 01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:20,840 we're we're trying to push back a little bit. 1223 01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:30,440 » Anything else? Okay. 1224 01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:30,440 Would you roll? I 1225 01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:40,360 » um let's move on to line item business. I 1226 01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:40,360 or L. 1227 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:50,000 » Okay. So, I'll make the motion to approve. We're going to hear about it. 1228 01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:57,280 Um the bid award and contract for the 2025 Rio Blanco County pavement marking 1229 01:52:53,199 --> 01:53:03,040 project to Branson Traffic Control Inc. Doing business is Branson Road Works. 1230 01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:05,920 » I'll second that for the purpose of discussion. 1231 01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:13,760 » You want me to talk about it a little? >> Please. uh very low bid 1232 01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:17,760 this year, but I my due diligence they appear to be a very reputable company 1233 01:53:15,679 --> 01:53:24,800 and they're out of Durango. They're a long ways away, 1234 01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:32,480 » but uh they were hungry. They just lost a big job. 1235 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:38,159 uh and uh in lie of uh laying off their people, they're trying to do whatever 1236 01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:43,760 they can to keep their people working. But anyway, it uh we saved at least 1237 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:50,080 $40,000 on this on this bid. So it uh 1238 01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:53,840 » What's your amount? >> Yeah. What's the amount? 1239 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:57,199 » 107. >> How many biders did you have? 1240 01:53:55,520 --> 01:54:03,800 » Three. What was the high one? 1241 01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:03,800 » 159 believe it was 1242 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,679 » and you did your due diligence on the company. 1243 01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:14,159 Good. >> Yeah, they appear to be very good 1244 01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:17,599 people. >> Good 1245 01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:24,880 question. >> Okay. And so we're paving where? Or not 1246 01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:29,280 paving but striking. Uh well can't remember all the roads but I was going 1247 01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:33,520 to do all of county road 8 but we're going to have to skip about four five 1248 01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:36,719 miles probably in there that where we've got flooding issues. 1249 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:43,119 » No sense >> driving it and having to then scrape it 1250 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:47,040 off. Uh uh 1251 01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:54,400 and road 4 and the landill road are all the new uh 1252 01:54:51,520 --> 01:55:03,880 tipsal projects this year. >> And then I was going to do uh 15 1253 01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:03,880 uh 10 up the river 1254 01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:12,400 7 7 6 and 39. 1255 01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:15,119 Much of 10 is paved. >> Uh it's about a little over two miles, I 1256 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:21,920 think. >> Yeah. Most of that is dirt. 1257 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:25,040 » Yeah. From uh road 8 over to >> Yeah. 1258 01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:28,040 » 17 is paved and then where it goes on up. 1259 01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,960 » Okay. 1260 01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:41,560 » Thank you. Good job. >> Glad you got them. Would you please call 1261 01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,560 the RO? 1262 01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:48,760 » Good. >> Let's move on. Business line item M. 1263 01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,199 » Come on up. 1264 01:55:54,239 --> 01:56:06,159 » Okay. Uh we just got these. So I'd like to show you guys these. This is 1265 01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:11,119 um brought in um 826. This is a just one of the examples of 1266 01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:18,320 why we would like to see a magnet out at the landfill that hooks to the 1267 01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:24,800 track. This is a bunch of I beams and metal that was brought in on a roll out. 1268 01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:29,520 Do the guys have to get out and manually and get a hold of this stuff and get it 1269 01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:35,119 moved over or to the basin 1270 01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:40,239 fan over there where the magnet we can keep people out of there. They just go 1271 01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:46,639 over there, hook on to it, energize the magnet, and then uh 1272 01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:52,480 get it over to the recycle stuff and it's got little claws. Um right now 1273 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:57,040 we're we're in the process of u processing quite a bit of the concrete 1274 01:56:54,159 --> 01:57:02,800 that's been brought to us from Chevron >> um over it down and we just last week we 1275 01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:08,880 worked a half a day and tore the magnetic belt again because some of the 1276 01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:14,800 rebars get through um that magnetic part of the shredder was supposed to it does 1277 01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:22,239 help but it doesn't get um and then we like to use it to build 1278 01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:28,080 roads out there. Um, for the winter for the budence, 1279 01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:32,800 uh, you end up with chunks of rebar and I've got them on my phone. Sorry, we 1280 01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:36,080 just I just got the pictures yesterday. Little chunks of rebar that'll get 1281 01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:42,719 through there and that's hard on the tires or the uh rolloffs stuff to go 1282 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:45,760 into the landfill. But it's a we can get we've got the concrete up there. We're 1283 01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:49,119 processing it. We've got all the equipment to process it. This would just 1284 01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:55,119 take one more step to clean it up and then it goes into the recycle bin which 1285 01:57:51,679 --> 01:57:58,639 uh we get paid for that to haul off >> and then I we can get a lot more of 1286 01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:03,520 these I beams stuff like that out of there and a lot safer. That's the big 1287 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:08,639 thing is the safety for the for the employees out there 1288 01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:13,920 is a is a big part of is it's a quick connect for the track home. Um, when I 1289 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:17,920 worked with CAT to talk and make sure that this one was compatible. They have 1290 01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:24,000 a head that goes right on it. Quick connect with just two hydraulic hoses to 1291 01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:28,320 connect to it. So, it's much safer. They that could be done on the pad, not down 1292 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:36,960 in the itself. >> So, would you turn the uh one on the the 1293 01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:42,000 shredder recycler off, not use it? Um, I think I would hate to turn it off 1294 01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:48,880 completely, but we would probably go ahead and leave it on and pull what we 1295 01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:52,560 can off of it and then and then um but my hopes would be that we could get more 1296 01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:54,800 of it out of there before it even gets to the shred. 1297 01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:59,119 » So, what's the issue with the tearing the belt? And I thought this was 1298 01:58:56,239 --> 01:59:02,320 supposed to help though you wouldn't tear the belt. So, 1299 01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:06,639 if you're going to continue using it, you're going to continue tearing the 1300 01:59:03,599 --> 01:59:11,040 belt. Uh, well, the the hopes is we we get it out of there before it even gets 1301 01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:15,280 to the shrimp is what I'm hoping is we can we can sort 1302 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:20,800 it a lot better before it even gets into the shredder. So, we're not putting the 1303 01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:24,520 rebar the pieces with the rebar into the shredder as fast. 1304 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:34,639 And then once we do, we can sip through it because the um the magnet has claws 1305 01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:40,080 on it that we literally drag through and sift through it with the magnet on and 1306 01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:44,159 it pulls out. >> And I would I could make a couple of 1307 01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:47,679 comments on it. Um one thing, by removing the big pieces of metal, of 1308 01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:51,840 course, um you're going to save the solid waste landfill that spacing. So 1309 01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:56,080 number one, you're pulling it out of there to preserve your landfill. Then 1310 01:59:53,840 --> 02:00:00,880 number two, it can go in the bin and then we actually receive revenue for 1311 01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:06,480 that those big purchases. The third part to keep in mind is this is an enterprise 1312 02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:10,960 fund. Um it is an enterprise fund that um so this purchase would not affect any 1313 02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:14,960 other portion of your budget or your balance sheet. It is solely within 1314 02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:24,400 enterprise. Um, as we have more metal and things 1315 02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:28,320 that will be coming in from the fires, only anticipate that this would help 1316 02:00:26,719 --> 02:00:33,440 sort that to keep the landfill from filling up in the wrong places. 1317 02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:37,119 And this I I was going to use the the funds that were already budgeted for 1318 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:41,679 2025, do the concrete for the uh gin shed, 1319 02:00:40,239 --> 02:00:46,560 some stuff like that that we're going to look at redoing the scale houses next 1320 02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:50,520 year anyway. So that we do have a budget item that we this 1321 02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:58,880 have any questions? >> No, I just don't see it on my it's not 1322 02:00:56,719 --> 02:01:06,320 coming up. So how much are we talking? Um, I have the quote here. U, it was the 1323 02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:09,520 quote is $58,930. Um, and then there is a side note at the 1324 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:18,840 bottom that you're going to have some hoses and some adapters. U anticipated, 1325 02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:18,840 so just right around the 61,000. 1326 02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:29,040 » Okay. >> And that is in stock, so it's a fairly 1327 02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:32,320 quick turn around. Okay. and they come and install it kind of deal or it's just 1328 02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:39,520 a piece of >> hook right up to our current meter 1329 02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:44,199 with some hose just some hydraulic that's how it was controlled it off. 1330 02:01:44,639 --> 02:01:52,800 » Excuse me. >> Okay, Mr. Chair, I would move um 1331 02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:57,760 approving the purchase um to purchase a magnet for the 1332 02:01:54,719 --> 02:02:01,000 excavator at Solid Waste Landfill. >> I'll second. 1333 02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,840 » I 1334 02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:11,880 thank you. >> Thank you, sir. 1335 02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:19,960 » Okay, we're down to resolutions. We have none. public hearings. We have none. 1336 02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:19,960 Let's go to 1337 02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:30,599 update on the current disaster fire situation. Who's going to do that? 1338 02:02:27,119 --> 02:02:30,599 » I guess 1339 02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:40,159 and Cali I, you know, will the water. >> So, just to kind of give everyone an 1340 02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:44,480 idea because I have no idea how many meetings we've had. Um, August is a 1341 02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:50,480 blur. September's coming in to be a blur. Um but 1342 02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:57,760 the we've had the state team here um Colorado department 1343 02:02:53,760 --> 02:03:00,719 public DHSM and I get >> public safety 1344 02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:06,000 » public safety and emergency management here off and on. Uh 1345 02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:11,040 the state is helping us to move through getting a possible FEMA public 1346 02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:17,520 assistance declaration, but that isn't for the homes or individual owners. 1347 02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:23,199 Wouldn't affect a necessarily um what that would be is for 1348 02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:30,239 public infrastructure, utility companies, county roads, bridges, the 1349 02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:37,840 old Maker Landville. Um there's just there's a lot of damage that has been 1350 02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:43,440 done because of both fires and then the floods that came in the rapid flooding 1351 02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:47,520 that we had right after that. The um so you know they're helping us to move that 1352 02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:53,280 through that. The actual event closed as of I heard two different dates. Danielle 1353 02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:57,599 um who I had I'm sorry I had to pop out of the meeting a couple of times to meet 1354 02:03:54,639 --> 02:04:03,360 with those folks. um said it ended August 30th, although uh Jim had told us 1355 02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:07,760 that it was August 28th, I think, something like that. 1356 02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:12,800 » Whatever they qualify that closing date of the fire. So when the Lee fire was 1357 02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:18,320 officially closed, that is what we're looking at for a FEMA 1358 02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:23,280 declaration. So any resulting floods after that fact may or may not be 1359 02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:28,480 covered, probably not. Um, but that flooding that was in that time period up 1360 02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:32,080 to the fires will possibly be included. We're challenging trying to get the two 1361 02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:36,639 fires linked. Right now they're two separate fires. That will be critical to 1362 02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:40,639 try and get that infrastructure, you know, combined as one incident. Um, 1363 02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:45,520 right now they are two separate incidences. Both two separate incidents 1364 02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:49,920 have fire and they have flood. So working through all that has been 1365 02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:53,920 critical. Um >> and excuse me, but the advantage to 1366 02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:57,599 getting them combined is so that we get our numbers up to qualify. 1367 02:04:56,239 --> 02:05:01,199 » Yes, >> thank you. 1368 02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:07,520 » Um yes, that's a critical part to it. Um we did an infrastructure tour yesterday 1369 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:10,719 and with and divided up into two teams because we have significant issues on 1370 02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:15,520 both sides of the fence. One is infrastructure, one is how your group is 1371 02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:19,599 water >> waterhed and natural resources. wershed 1372 02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:24,960 natur >> um and I can speak to the infrastructure 1373 02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:29,920 tour uh we were very um I don't want to say it was good news um but the 1374 02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:35,679 infrastructure damage is significantly more than what the HSCM was anticipating 1375 02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:38,719 and they said typically they go out on an event and people are saying oh it's 1376 02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:42,320 really bad it's really bad it's really bad and they get into it and they say 1377 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:46,320 it's really not that bad um you know this doesn't look like it would qualify 1378 02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:51,760 this doesn't look like it would qualify we started did the tour out up um by 1379 02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:59,280 Lake Avery and then came down went out 13 33 builds out a old landfill and then 1380 02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:03,440 down five then came back into town and of the sites that they were looking at 1381 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:08,719 um the overall consensus of the their entire team was this is a lot more than 1382 02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:12,239 what they were anticipating they were which is that a good thing no because I 1383 02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:18,639 would rather us not need a dime of FEMA assistance. Um but right now it that's 1384 02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:23,280 what we're we're trying to go for. Um that application process has to be is a 1385 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:28,480 quick turnaround and so I've not focused at all on the budget on letters on doing 1386 02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:33,920 anything but trying and I'll be working with Antina and Thad 1387 02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:38,639 as well as Callie's team to try and get things documented to make our case as 1388 02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:43,280 presentable. The process will be we'll submit our application. The state will 1389 02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:49,119 then take that. They have till September 30th, 28th to 30th to submit that to the 1390 02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:53,840 governor's desk. The governor then will have to choose whether to submit it or 1391 02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:57,440 not to the president. Um upon submitting it to the president, then the president 1392 02:06:55,360 --> 02:07:00,960 can have any length of time to approve whether they want to go through FEM or 1393 02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:07,679 not. So now is a critical time period for us to make sure that we put the most 1394 02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:12,159 pressing issues and case of why we need this assistance to the to the governor 1395 02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:16,320 and ultimately for him to be able to forward to the president. 1396 02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:19,280 So it's been fast and furious and constant moving. I thought it would be 1397 02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:25,040 done when the fires were over. That is not the case. I have put in just as many 1398 02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:28,320 hours since August 30. Um so it is definitely getting a little 1399 02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:32,560 wearing. Yeah. So anyhow, that's where we're at 1400 02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:35,360 with that. At least my side. So all different accounting for their structure 1401 02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:42,480 or their work. >> So on the um natural resources and 1402 02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:46,719 watershed side of things. Um so the the ranchers and so forth that 1403 02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:50,000 way. Well, let's see. Go back up. So there are two surveys that are out that 1404 02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:54,000 I want to encourage anybody and everybody to fill out. If you have any 1405 02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:59,920 kind of business, need to fill out the economic survey. Um, and both of them 1406 02:07:57,119 --> 02:08:05,119 are on the county's website. The other one is the agriculture survey because it 1407 02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:11,040 covers things that other business don't have like cows and fences. Um, and we 1408 02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:15,360 need to get those completed and there's just not that many people that are 1409 02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:21,360 filling those out. But in order to know what kind of assistance we need from the 1410 02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:28,800 outside whether it's from for individuals or for the whole, we have to 1411 02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:35,440 know what they need. Um so um we need those filled out then from and so the 1412 02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:42,880 the economic development side we've asked Caitlyn 1413 02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:49,840 um Cook thank you and Carly >> Thompson thank you um from the town to 1414 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:56,239 help us um with that side of it since that's really not a huge expertise that 1415 02:08:52,159 --> 02:09:02,719 I have anyway um and they're doing a good job. And then um 1416 02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:09,840 they're going to be um they are reaching out to Sasha and others as needed to to 1417 02:09:06,719 --> 02:09:17,199 move forward with that. On the A side of it, um the conservation district and Ree 1418 02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:22,400 are really leading that effort. Um working with NRCS and FSA. So, long 1419 02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:27,119 story short, if agriculture producers have been impacted, they need to reach 1420 02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:32,159 out to FSA, ASAP. Get all my acronyms in order, 1421 02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:36,960 » farm service agency, as soon as possible. 1422 02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:43,920 Um, and then, um, because those are going to be individual basis. Um, 1423 02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:51,360 then the tour wise and watershed wise, um, water quality is a big concern. Um, 1424 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:55,599 and of course what it will do to the river. So ex one example is down river 1425 02:09:53,920 --> 02:10:00,079 where that's come across and went into the river. There's a pretty big fan 1426 02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:03,760 that's come out there which is going to drive that river right straight at the 1427 02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:07,040 bank. And I'm wondering about that bridge that it comes into and it's going 1428 02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:12,719 to drive it right to the bridge. So that's infrastructure issues, water 1429 02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:17,119 quality issues. Definitely the reservoir and Rangely are already seeing those 1430 02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:22,000 impacts. I'm told that even the town of Rangley's um water treatment facility 1431 02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:28,719 just smells like you just dumped water on a campfire. It and they're 1432 02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:34,480 struggling. And um so that group that was there, we also had 1433 02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:39,360 CDPHE, Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment was one of the 1434 02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:43,679 guys that was on that tour to get them engaged and help Rangely because Rangely 1435 02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:49,599 going to have to have some potential assistance there. So there will be that 1436 02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:55,679 piece, but not only the reservoir um the Kenny reservoir, but then there's the 1437 02:10:51,840 --> 02:11:01,440 issue with the um >> Lake Avery and so and I don't know CPW 1438 02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:06,320 staff that was with us really didn't know the answer there 1439 02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:14,159 because that's going to shed a lot of that debris off into that reservoir. 1440 02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:19,360 Um, so are they going to close it off and try to hold it and then some of the 1441 02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:25,840 state guys talking about potentially trying to dredge some of that out or do 1442 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:31,199 they leave it open and let it go but it'll go to the river directly. So 1443 02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:37,440 there's pros and cons both ways. Probably the biggest thing is with the 1444 02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:42,639 EWP money from NRCS that we were just talking about and they will work with 1445 02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:46,560 the state as well is doing a lot of catch ponds and stuff in each one of 1446 02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:50,639 those drainages particularly above Lake Avery. That looked like a good 1447 02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:56,239 possibility there. I don't know how you build catch ponds in the White River to 1448 02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:58,960 keep it from going to the um to the one down there. So anyway, water quality 1449 02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:04,400 » trailer >> at trailer draw. There you go. Um, but 1450 02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:08,719 but I think that there is potential for doing some of that kind of stuff in in 1451 02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:12,960 Pian Creek and stuff and just trying to keep it from getting down Pants Creek 1452 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:16,320 that goes down yonder. So, >> and the ditches 1453 02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:20,800 » and the ditches. Oh my gosh, those guys that have been hit time and time again 1454 02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:26,400 because we did see multiple homes or outfits, I guess I would say. One home 1455 02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:29,920 that was darn close to um actually right up against it but didn't hurt it, I 1456 02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:37,199 don't think. um but coming out of those draws and 1457 02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:42,000 filled up trails, filled up barns, um ditches, fields and so forth that way. 1458 02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:45,520 So there's a lot of and the worst problem is it's just you clean it up 1459 02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:51,040 this time and it's going to be there again. Um so that's the conversation to 1460 02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:55,760 be had. Just one more point on that. Um so I reached out one of the things that 1461 02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:59,360 our say DHSN said we got to find out if there's any historical 1462 02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:05,840 um things that have been destroyed. That's a whole another piece to this um 1463 02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:09,760 you know is that aspect of were there um you know old schools that were damaged 1464 02:13:08,159 --> 02:13:15,199 or anything. And so I reached out to Teresa Reed Ruckman and bless her heart 1465 02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:20,800 she jumped right on it and initially got me and I will be submitting that. I 1466 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:28,239 talked to Jim uh from the the Rigus the HT or the Herald Times published an 1467 02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:33,280 article back in 2023 about the the big where they branded the hill, you know, 1468 02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:36,880 the RH the giant that we've all driven by a million times. 1469 02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:43,760 » It was not on the historical register, but since it was actually created 1470 02:13:39,599 --> 02:13:47,840 um in when was it? It was I'll have to look back in the article and see when 1471 02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:50,239 that was done. It was long long time ago. 1472 02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:55,440 » Yeah. I mean, it actually would qualify had we registered it. Um, however, that 1473 02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:58,719 doesn't mean they won't get necessarily get funding for it, but it does draw the 1474 02:13:57,119 --> 02:14:03,840 attention and to make the case that we had significant resources that were 1475 02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:12,639 damaged in this fire. Um, so that is a a critical piece. the um the house that 1476 02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:16,400 was destroyed um on you know the um the ball house I think is what what they 1477 02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:19,440 actually called it that was actually slated to get registered on the 1478 02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:23,199 historical registry. >> Oh really? 1479 02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:29,599 » The reason why is the house and the barns were the barns were for sure 1480 02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:33,840 constructed in the early 1900s and would have qualified for that. um and the 1481 02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:39,440 house they weren't quite sure on but the actual that whole homestead was a 1482 02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:42,719 homestead original homestead. So um you know those are records that we will 1483 02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:47,360 include in our story and that was the thing that DHSM said some of this will 1484 02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:51,199 or will not qualify to help us push us into that FEMA decoration but it dang 1485 02:14:49,679 --> 02:14:56,480 sure is something a story that we need to tell and preserve for history. Um so 1486 02:14:54,159 --> 02:15:00,400 anyhow it's just there is any thread that you can think that you pull on 1487 02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:04,159 there's more to it. So, you know, it's just those two pieces. I thought Terry 1488 02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:10,079 will be putting together something as far as the economic impacts of the 1489 02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:13,280 museum has suffered. Um, and then she's continuing to try and find little niches 1490 02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:17,440 that says, you know, could there have been a wiki up somewhere? Could the, you 1491 02:15:15,199 --> 02:15:20,440 know, what have we truly lost in these fires? 1492 02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:32,599 » And that's it. >> Good. Okay. 1493 02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:32,599 So, let's go to road bridge update. 1494 02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:44,030 » Uh, first of all, I'd like to make a motion for have a motion request for 1495 02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:49,719 some adding legislation. [Laughter] 1496 02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:49,719 » Don't blame you. 1497 02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:57,119 » Either that or not to have to sit there so long. Right. 1498 02:15:55,520 --> 02:16:04,320 of all the meetings I've been to, this is one of the longest it was. So, u 1499 02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:10,719 rangely this past month's haul been hauling a 1500 02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:18,000 lot of gravel pit run on I go through all of the roads if you would like. We 1501 02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:24,000 did some spot graveling on 116 and 73 and uh they were doing quite a bit of 1502 02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:32,000 work on 116 kind of reshaping the the road a little in places some of the big 1503 02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:36,399 curbial corners. Uh they did cover cleaning and cattle guard cleaning on 1504 02:16:34,479 --> 02:16:44,000 109. Uh hauling reject material on 25 1505 02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:53,840 reshaping the road and filling in wash outs and that kind of thing. a lot of 1506 02:16:47,519 --> 02:17:00,719 grading uh border graders uh 116 27 73 109 89 99 1507 02:16:57,679 --> 02:17:08,240 uh they've been doing a lot of gravel pit work in the redwash 1508 02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:16,559 grizzly 4 in material there and uh they had some flood 1509 02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:22,960 uh clean up on 102 And we actually early in the month we 1510 02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:28,399 send some guys down uh and 1511 02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:34,880 trucks to help them haul ground and anyway that's they've been busy and 1512 02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:44,319 for Maker uh primarily firefighting uh we and 1513 02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:50,160 all the I don't know how 1514 02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:57,280 weeks it was but recently then they've been cleaning up uh flood and debris and 1515 02:17:53,599 --> 02:18:05,120 yesterday finally kind of got done with the their cleanup on five. So the next 1516 02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:09,920 rain uh we could be right back down there. Like you say, this is this is 1517 02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:14,399 going to be uh all through next year at least. I think for 1518 02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:16,240 » they say a minimum of minimum of three years is what they were telling us 1519 02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:22,800 yesterday. >> Yeah. They they may get a little bit of 1520 02:18:18,960 --> 02:18:27,359 growth next year, but it's not going to >> not going to save us much for Yeah. So 1521 02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:36,080 that's going to be an ongoing problem for us for road bridge guys. Uh we did 1522 02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:42,240 have to replace a a culbert that actually barked clear through a plastic 1523 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:50,479 co well HDP >> on county road 5. And um 1524 02:18:46,800 --> 02:18:56,960 and then tomorrow we're going to get some asphalt in there and patch that. 1525 02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:59,760 and a couple other spots that mark you some patching. 1526 02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:01,439 » Was there just one of those >> that burnt like that? 1527 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,960 » Yes. >> Or that melted or whatever. 1528 02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:10,160 » Only one that that melted all the way through, but there was another one that 1529 02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:14,479 just melted on the end. So, we're >> um we're going to be able to splice up. 1530 02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:23,840 » Okay. >> And uh I've had uh I had the uh chips 1531 02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:28,880 project. We got started up on eight and then the fire came along and they it 1532 02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:31,760 took me 10 days to just get permission for them to go ahead and get their 1533 02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:36,319 equipment out. >> Uh so anyway, they're supposed to be 1534 02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:39,359 they were supposed to be back today. >> Okay. 1535 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:47,200 » But maybe tomorrow hopefully. I had her trouble. 1536 02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:58,760 Uh so we got to finish eight uh uh box seal and then we'll come down and do the 1537 02:19:50,319 --> 02:19:58,760 Mesa road four and the landfill hook. Um 1538 02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:09,680 I hope soon as they get here we can get that done in a week or thereabouts. 1539 02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:17,040 And I got uh the striping obviously that you approved. Um 1540 02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:23,200 I don't know what we may try to start the the week of the 1541 02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:28,720 22nd. I'm trying to push them back just a little bit so we have plenty of time 1542 02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:36,080 get everything done chip seal and pod coat and then wait a 1543 02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:42,399 few days. left the pod. Sure. 1544 02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:48,560 And then uh I also got uh they should be they fired up their 1545 02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:53,439 crushing equipment up at Sleepycat yesterday. 1546 02:20:50,399 --> 02:21:02,800 You should be making gravel there right away. And gonna try to get 1547 02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:07,359 hauling hauling a lot of it out as we make it so that we because we don't have 1548 02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:15,840 much room to pile it through. So if we can haul it out and use and they they 1549 02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:18,840 need to do a lot of work up on 17 >> because 1550 02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:23,560 yes 1551 02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:32,880 you you have questions. If not I'll be done. I would just like to say real 1552 02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:37,280 quick, um, you know, the road and bridge crew, the entire crew, including Solid 1553 02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:43,120 Waste Landfill, Bobby was out there through the whole time and and they just 1554 02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:48,720 have worked extremely extremely hard. I think I know everybody has in that that 1555 02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:52,080 respect, but the work and the things, you know, just trying we still have 1556 02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:55,280 roads that we still have to uncover and get to, and that was something that we 1557 02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:57,439 saw on the tour. There are roads that we cannot yet do. 1558 02:21:56,160 --> 02:22:05,359 » We've got three roads that are still closed. 22 76 and 127 1559 02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:08,720 they're have totally impassive >> and it's not just like one thing I mean 1560 02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:15,040 it's not like okay there's just a little section of road I mean it is just 1561 02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:20,240 sections of road at a time and you know danger of falling trees and so it's just 1562 02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:25,120 you know to have to crystal was another one that has been out and just making 1563 02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:29,040 maps gising um >> what is it called she was putting them 1564 02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:30,880 on each little thing that had damage. She was mapping and saying, "Okay, 1565 02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:35,760 here's >> way marks." And she's Yeah. She's 1566 02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:39,920 mapping out all of the onyx. >> Onyx is what 1567 02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:43,040 » signing that was burned up. Just And then we have to do warning signs, but 1568 02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:46,800 then if you're in a blood visit, could be a flash blood area. You've got to be 1569 02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:49,520 aware. Um >> if you're in Rio Blanco County, you 1570 02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:54,319 could be in a flooded area. >> If you look across in Rio Blanco. 1571 02:22:52,399 --> 02:22:57,520 » Yep. So anyways, I just wanted to give a shout out especially like I said Crystal 1572 02:22:56,319 --> 02:23:01,640 and all those guys have just been working extremely extremely hard. 1573 02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:04,720 » They did a good job. They did a great job 1574 02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:09,680 » and they're going to keep doing a good job and it ain't over yet. 1575 02:23:08,319 --> 02:23:13,240 » Thank you guys. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. Thank you. 1576 02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:25,200 » Good. So let's move on to uh county attorney is not here. 1577 02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:32,880 and the county administrator. >> Uh so just my only update for you is in 1578 02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:36,479 between fire stuff, recovery stuff. Um I've done some work on the budget. We 1579 02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:43,280 continue to have some budget scrubs. We're making headway on shortages. Um 1580 02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:47,200 you know, we are by no means done with with there's been no decision. I want to 1581 02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:52,880 make sure everyone knows there has no been no decision on personnel benefits. 1582 02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:59,040 that's still in the conversation phase and 1583 02:23:55,280 --> 02:24:02,560 the cuts that we've done so far to budgets and people have said that it's 1584 02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:06,880 been one of those things even including the commissioner's budget. It's where 1585 02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:12,240 can we cut it's going to hurt. I understand that. Let's figure out where 1586 02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:17,200 we can to try and preserve what we can preserve. And so by 1587 02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:21,920 no means are the conversations finished. they're just now starting that this 1588 02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:25,280 would have had August gone the way that I would have liked it to have gone, we 1589 02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:30,800 would have those conversations in August. That didn't happen. God had a 1590 02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:36,080 different plan for us. Um but as we continued, we've done the majority of 1591 02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:42,319 first round scrubs. Kelly and I have three more to do on Thursday. Um no one 1592 02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:47,200 has left the budget scrubs happy. Um, I'm going to say they've all seen the 1593 02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:52,000 potential and said, "Okay, if I give up this, does that help for the greater 1594 02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:58,880 good? Can we get to hear from there?" So, we'll continue to do that. And um, 1595 02:24:56,399 --> 02:25:02,160 you know, so in between doing that, that's where I'm at on that. I have not 1596 02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:07,760 had a chance to work on anything else. I understand we have some uh constituents 1597 02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:13,680 uh regarding Coline Park trying to schedule a uh meeting um for them to 1598 02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:18,479 voice their concerns. I had not had that done. Gosh, 1599 02:25:16,240 --> 02:25:26,160 I had a situation where Mark had asked me about a public road uh situation that 1600 02:25:21,359 --> 02:25:30,720 he had. Um, and I'm just I'm begging that just give me a few more weeks 1601 02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:36,960 because this is the critical nature of this beast is I've got skin that's gap 1602 02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:41,120 by uh September 25th. So everything else is kind of back burnered until I can get 1603 02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:44,880 to that point and then we'll move forward with the rest of budget and all 1604 02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:50,160 that fun stuff. >> Good. Thank you. 1605 02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:54,760 any administrator or I mean uh county any commissioner updates. 1606 02:25:54,960 --> 02:26:04,399 » Um first of all just thank you Vicki because I know how much time, energy and 1607 02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:08,640 lack of sleep you are dealing with. So thank you. 1608 02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:11,040 Are we not working? >> Oh it's still going. I was just 1609 02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:13,120 sleeping. I just want to know where you guys are so I can go back into transpose 1610 02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:19,120 later. >> Oh, you're all good. Yeah. 1611 02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:24,000 » Um, let's see. So, it seems like it's been forever since we've had a regular 1612 02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:28,880 commissioner meeting. So, I don't I just went back through my calendar really 1613 02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:33,600 quick. Um, this fire recovery and the tour, we kind of covered that. I think 1614 02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:41,120 since the last meeting, I've met with Hickinlooper and Bennett, senators, 1615 02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:44,319 um, primarily to ask for support to do joining these fires. But we've now 1616 02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:49,600 learned that that's done at the state level instead of at the federal level. 1617 02:26:46,880 --> 02:26:54,960 So we do need to, as you had said, reach out to our state senator and 1618 02:26:52,880 --> 02:27:02,319 representative um to see if they can help us there. Um 1619 02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:08,319 went to a CCI meeting. Um the tour was in regards to solar. Um was good. Delta 1620 02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:12,800 County has a really cool solar project there. if you want to if they can be 1621 02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:18,080 cool. I think that one is it's on irrigated egg and they are they have 1622 02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:23,280 seated it and they're sprinkling most of it and it's growing pretty good feed for 1623 02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:28,640 sheep um underneath it. But the one thing that he they suggested that we 1624 02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:35,200 keep in mind should we ever have one that in your list of things that you're 1625 02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:42,000 requiring is that they're um when that equipment comes in 1626 02:27:38,479 --> 02:27:47,359 that it's point of sale. So you get the taxes on when those are 1627 02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:50,800 delivered. I know we may have a different way of doing it, but that was 1628 02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:54,399 Delta said that was critical because they missed that step. And so those 1629 02:27:52,960 --> 02:27:58,240 millions and millions and millions of dollars that were delivered to 1630 02:27:55,520 --> 02:28:01,520 California, they got nothing on it. >> We're covered there because we haven't 1631 02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:06,960 used >> use tax piece. But um and then um let's 1632 02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:12,399 see, there was a second thing that he mentioned. 1633 02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:17,359 Oh, I can't remember. So I did make a note of it. So if we ever go down that 1634 02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:21,760 road, hopefully I can find it. Um, I've met with Carrie Brennan is going to be 1635 02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:27,600 our facilitator for the regional partnership initiative. I The plan is we 1636 02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:31,520 will have a meeting, a public meeting before the end of this month. I don't 1637 02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:36,319 know the exact date, but we will have our first meeting and get that rolling 1638 02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:42,080 before the end of the month. Um, 1639 02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:47,920 we've had a number of news folks interested in the county. Um Reese is 1640 02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:54,800 covering a lot of that. Um which has been and I thought he's done a nice job. 1641 02:28:49,760 --> 02:29:01,280 I did he and I did the seven news um one I think it was not nine. 1642 02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:07,040 » And um then the other thing more recent went to club 20 last week Friday and 1643 02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:14,479 Saturday. Um I think was one of the better meetings they've had in a while. 1644 02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:20,560 Um Barb um Kirk Meyer uh who is a joint budget committee member at the state 1645 02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:24,800 level out of Weld County um has announced this week that she's going to 1646 02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:30,479 run for governor and we heard her speak on budget stuff and um she's pretty much 1647 02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:34,880 a nononsense get her done but a very ambitious lady 1648 02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:40,720 and so I'm looking forward to learning more about her. um comes from a dairy 1649 02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:45,600 farm, has owned a flower shop, has been a county commissioner, has now been a 1650 02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:49,680 senator, but also on the joint budget committee. I think she's got a good set 1651 02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:53,680 of credentials behind her. So, I'm pretty excited about her. Wasn't so 1652 02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:58,560 excited about the attorney general's presentation. 1653 02:29:55,280 --> 02:30:03,840 Um and then we also heard from the common sense institute. Has anybody I 1654 02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:09,439 was not aware of them. I will be sending out um they have done the research on 1655 02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:14,399 what the WOF program has actually cost Colorado and so that's but they're 1656 02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:19,600 they're digging into that kind of stuff and oil and gas and all the Oh, and by 1657 02:30:17,359 --> 02:30:28,000 the way, I've been asking the question, how many staff FTEEs have been added in 1658 02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:33,280 this to our state government since this governor took office? 1659 02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:38,240 » 7,000 Yeah. >> Now that includes the colleges, but 1660 02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:42,560 that's 7,000 people. And we wonder why the state is broke. 1661 02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:46,399 » Yeah. Didn't they use the mandatory layoffs just recently? 1662 02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:51,439 » Had a hiring freeze. >> Had a hiring freezes and they didn't do 1663 02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:57,680 that until after the general session or the special session. 1664 02:30:53,680 --> 02:31:05,760 » Um the other thing, um BLM did a presentation at lunch was the keynote 1665 02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:09,920 speaker. um was um I will think of her name because she 1666 02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:13,680 wrote our land use plan. She wrote it for Karen. No, it wasn't Karen. It was 1667 02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:18,640 the one that actually wrote it and then Karen reviewed it for us. 1668 02:31:16,640 --> 02:31:24,720 » I am really disgusted that I forgot her name. Had a really good conversation 1669 02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:31,600 with her. Her she is working is the senior policy advisor to the BLM 1670 02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:37,280 director. So, she's doing some really cool stuff right now on um all the 1671 02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:42,800 different things that basically support our land use plan. So, some really good 1672 02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:45,800 stuff there. So, that I'll quit with that. 1673 02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:52,880 » Okay. I went to a AGNC meeting in Rifle. It was a economic 1674 02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:58,960 summit >> and it was it was uh 1675 02:31:57,040 --> 02:32:04,399 eye opening. They they talked about workforce development and generational 1676 02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:10,160 strategy and they're they're uh talked about the the youth today not uh there's 1677 02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:14,560 not as much uh demand for four-year degrees. You get 1678 02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:19,200 a four-year degree and then you never use it. There's a So, they suggested 1679 02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:22,720 that a lot of kids go out and figure out what they want to do and and get a 1680 02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:28,479 career before they spend the money and time on a four-year degree. 1681 02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:33,800 Um, what else did they talk about? 1682 02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:33,800 Networking, collaboration, 1683 02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:42,880 economics in in this end of the county or this end of the state are not doing 1684 02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:47,760 real well. All the counties are are hurting. 1685 02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:52,560 A lot of that's due to our our governor and what he's doing to us with our oil 1686 02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:58,479 and gas. And then uh 1687 02:32:55,280 --> 02:33:04,160 I met with the land owner to discuss the rightaway stuff for County Road 77 1688 02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:08,479 bridge. Kind of trying to get that smoothed out. Uh we had a fire 1689 02:33:06,800 --> 02:33:13,439 cooperators meeting. We're trying to get all the meetings tied up with a lot of 1690 02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:21,280 this fire stuff. Met with the sheriff's office, the road bridge fleet weedenfest 1691 02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:30,800 on budget scrubs. um more fire recovery meetings. 1692 02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:34,960 I met with an shoots to uh for their planning and progress on the county road 1693 02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:42,960 77 bridge. We're going to eventually get that done. 1694 02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:48,880 Um meant to approve a second Oh, we did a a meeting yesterday from the 1695 02:33:45,359 --> 02:33:54,319 second house on a parcel of land. uh spent uh time working on the budget 1696 02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:58,640 and trying to figure out where we're going to get money for benefits and 1697 02:33:56,479 --> 02:34:05,040 wages. That's all I've done. 1698 02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:09,280 » I might just at the CCI meeting I was at, they went around the table and had 1699 02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:16,479 kind of a round table of all the counties and every county of course 1700 02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:22,319 budget was top of their priority. Um, I would say the majority of them have done 1701 02:34:18,399 --> 02:34:27,680 hiring freezes. Mesa County is doing they they had some creative language for 1702 02:34:24,399 --> 02:34:33,120 it, but basically they did volunteer retirement upfront and then their second 1703 02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:36,160 round was a little more encouraging than just volunteer. 1704 02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:42,520 I don't remember what they called it. It was kind of interesting, but everybody 1705 02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:42,520 is having the same issue. 1706 02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:50,560 Yeah, I've talked to some other comm benefits and and wages as we are. It's 1707 02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:54,720 uh and and uh the the horrible part about 1708 02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:59,800 that is it doesn't look better next year. 1709 02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:59,800 Um,