[1:25] Maybe that help.
[1:34] » Okay. Public comment period. Any member
of the public may address the board on
[1:39] matters which are within the
jurisdiction of the board. If you are
[1:43] addressing the board regarding a matter
listed on the agenda, you are requested
[1:47] to limit your comments to three minutes
per member or five minutes per group.
[1:53] The public comment time is not for
questions and answers. It is your time
[1:57] to express your views. To ensure there
is adequate public comment time, please
[2:03] provide your name, com contact contact
information,
[2:06] and any affiliation prior to the meeting
by contacting the board assistant at
[2:12] 970-878-9575.
[2:17] If you would like to submit written
comments, please contact the board
[2:21] assistant. If any member of the public
would like to comment at this time,
[2:26] please state your name, contact
information, and affiliation for the
[2:30] record.
Bobby
[2:36] » up here, please. Thank you. So, we can
get you on record.
[2:43] » My name is Bobby U 564 Larry Lane,
Colorado.
[2:50] And
I'd just like to thank you for putting
[2:54] item C under new business. Uh very
important issue of moving our health
[2:58] service district board back to a
sevenperson board like the voters of
[3:03] eastern Roano County first voted for
back in 2006 when the district was first
[3:10] created.
This has been a big concern for me and
[3:14] others since 2021
um
[3:20] the resolution to change the will of the
people by illegally um as there is no
[3:28] Colorado revised statute allowing a
board to go from seven members to five.
[3:33] a flagrant disregard of the will of the
people and um made the resolution to
[3:40] amend their bylaws. And on August 19,
2021, PMC sent a resolution
[3:47] um along with a letter to then
commissioners Gary Moyer, who was under
[3:52] recall, Jeff Recctor, who had resigned,
but had yet uh had not yet stepped down
[3:58] and newly elected Ty Gates, um who later
became the maintenance manager out there
[4:05] PMC,
uh while working as a commissioner. Uh
[4:10] the commissioners never did discuss the
resolution, nor did they put it on on
[4:15] publicly. They didn't discuss it
publicly back in 2021. Nor did they put
[4:20] the resolution on the agenda to
determine if it was a material
[4:25] modification of the district service
plan move from seven to five members.
[4:31] With no response from the commissioners
P after 45 days, PNC attorney Christina
[4:37] Harney submitted the motion that the
district court to accept the amendment
[4:42] to their bylaws reducing the number of
board members from 7 to 5. Motion was
[4:49] denied by the honorable
Patrick Nordon on April 29th, 2022.
[4:57] Yet PMC ignored the court order and
amended their bylaws April 26, 2022, two
[5:04] weeks before an election with seven
people on the ballot running for three
[5:09] seats.
you as Will Blanko County Commissioners
[5:12] have the authority to correct this
immediately by pointing to two members
[5:21] who we recently had an election um and
and appointing the next two highest vote
[5:27] getters from the May 26 election to get
us back to a sevenperson board like the
[5:34] people the voters of Milano County
originally voted for.
[5:40] Thank you for your time and your
consideration.
[5:43] » Thank you.
[5:47] » Okay,
can move on to the
[5:50] » um I check and see if there's anybody
online that public comment.
[5:54] » Is anybody online that needs to do a
public comment?
[5:59] » Somebody wanting to join.
[6:08] There's somebody looks like they want to
join.
[6:14] » They said there is not.
>> One to join is the AI piece.
[6:19] » Oh, okay.
[6:25] » So, the this is the tenative agenda
which includes all information available
[6:29] as of September 5th, 2025. The final
tenative agenda will be posted at the
[6:35] Woodco County Historic Courthouse, 555
Main Street, Maker, Colorado, and at the
[6:41] Rangely Town Hall, 209 East Main Street,
Rangely.
[6:48] » Mr. Chair, I would move to approve the
agenda for September 10th, 2025 with one
[6:56] change.
If we could move agenda item 3 in, which
[7:02] is the NRCS
um natural resources conservation
[7:07] service letter up to
business item A. We'll put it at the
[7:14] very beginning of business. We have Todd
Bolt on the phone with us as soon as we
[7:19] can get to it.
>> So, we're not going to make it a We're
[7:21] going to move in up to the beginning.
>> Yes.
[7:24] » Just to keep everything straight.
>> Okay. Okay.
[7:28] And you have to second, I guess. Huh?
>> I'm going to second that motion.
[7:33] Any discussion? I just want to uh note
that Jennifer is not here today. She's
[7:38] in Washington DC doing Roano County's
business.
[7:42] » She's not going in virtually.
>> No, she's not.
[7:47] » She's in the middle of uh meeting with
some senators right now. Um would you
[7:53] please call the
>> ROS?
[7:56] Hi over to you.
>> Hi.
[8:00] Good. So we are going to do line item
business N which is
[8:09] » um consent items.
>> Oh yeah we have to do the consent items.
[8:12] I'm sorry. Oh yeah.
>> So Mr. Chair, I would move to approve
[8:16] the below list items of the consent
agenda. That includes payroll management
[8:21] report for August 15th and 29th.
Accounts payable management reports for
[8:27] June 25th or June of 25. Special meeting
minutes for July 23rd. Special meeting
[8:35] minutes for August 2nd. Meeting minutes
for August 12th. Special meeting minutes
[8:41] for September 2nd. Special meeting
minutes for September 4th. Motor vehicle
[8:48] um DMV report for August 25
and DHS.
[8:54] um their EBT register and warrant
register for August 25th.
[8:59] » And I'm going to second that motion. Any
discussion?
[9:04] » You please call the role.
>> I
[9:12] Okay. So now we are going to move on to
business N which is
[9:19] » in our
>> consideration of a request to Clint
[9:23] Evans Natural Resources and Conservation
Service requesting federal assistance
[9:29] under the provisions of section 216 of
the Flood Control Act of 1950
[9:36] public law 81-516
or section 403 of the Agricultural
[9:41] Credit Act. Act of 1978,
public law 95-34
[9:49] to restore damages sustained in real
blanko county by the Lee and Elk RBX
[9:55] Real Blanco County fire on August 25th.
[10:02] » So I had asked um NRCS. So Todd Bolt is
um with us remotely today to be able to
[10:13] explain to us a little bit about what
this would look like.
[10:16] » Stay with NCS.
>> NRCS is Natural Resource Conservation
[10:20] Service. And Vicki, I have an extra
sheet that Todd shared with us.
[10:25] » Okay.
>> If you want it. Um
[10:29] okay, give her that one.
And um so I had had a brief conversation
[10:36] about this and have very vague knowledge
of it due to conservation district work
[10:41] in the past, but um I think that Todd
will go over kind of what the program is
[10:49] briefly and then what our role would be
if we were to be a sponsor of it.
[10:56] Floor
>> is yours, Todd.
[10:58] » Good morning. Can you hear me?
Yes.
[11:02] » Uh, thanks for having me. Um, my name is
Todd Bolt. I work for the Natural
[11:09] Resources Conservation Service. I'm
located in Fort Collins. Uh, I cover the
[11:14] entire state uh of Colorado for NRCS and
I manage the emergency watershed
[11:21] protection program which is the program
you were referencing with all of that
[11:25] program statutory authorities.
also manage the public law 566 which is
[11:32] our watershed operations and then also
our dam rehab. Uh you guys have been
[11:37] working with Clinton Whitten is that
correct Cali?
[11:41] » Yes.
>> And uh Clinton Clinton works for me.
[11:44] He's located out of Steamboat. He's been
up and around taking a look at the some
[11:48] of the issues that are going on uh
postfire uh with the rainfall and and
[11:54] the runoff that's occurred. So to get
right into it, the objective of the
[11:59] Emergency Watershed Protection Program,
and I'm sharing my screen. I don't know
[12:04] how well you can see that, but hopefully
you have a sheet of paper that you can
[12:09] follow along with. Um, the Emergency
Watershed Protection Program is set up
[12:15] to
um relieve imminent hazards to life and
[12:20] property caused by a watershed
impairment. And a watershed impairment
[12:25] is a fire and then we have floods. The
wershed is impaired. It cannot act the
[12:30] way it's supposed to act. So the primary
goals of EWP are to reduce erosion,
[12:38] sedimentation, and the threat from
future flooding to life and property.
[12:44] The key item here is, and I'm bringing
this up. Hopefully, you can see that um
[12:51] implementation or the flowchart fairly
well. Um I'm not going to get into great
[12:56] details of this. I think what you're
really interested in and and and correct
[13:00] me if I'm wrong. You guys want to know
what what you have to do once you
[13:05] request assistance. And so but the
process is
[13:09] » you have to rec a sponsor has to request
assistance from to our agency and our
[13:17] boss is Clint Evans. That's why you
referenced him and you have to send in a
[13:21] request to him and say, "Hey, we need
assistance under this program due to
[13:25] this fire and the and the flooding that
we're getting." and that you have to do
[13:29] that within 60 days. And then we we have
some time to come in and help you out
[13:35] and assess the damages and come up with
a cost estimate and see what
[13:39] everything's going to take to get uh
protect life and property. So, you need
[13:44] to be a sponsor needs to be a unit of
government, which you are. So, we're
[13:48] good there. the responsibility of the
sponsors. You must request assistance in
[13:54] writing to my boss, Clint Evans, who is
the state conservationist for NRCS in
[14:00] Colorado. You must let the public know
that this program is available. And this
[14:07] is the one big thing to remember here is
NRCS in this program works through the
[14:16] sponsor to provide technical and
financial assistance to address the
[14:21] issues that are occurring on private
property and also any public
[14:27] infrastructure that might be impacted
postfire.
[14:32] So all of that means is you guys are in
charge of working with the land owners.
[14:40] We provide the guidance and technical
and financial assistance to get the work
[14:45] done to you so that you can help the
private land owners or take care of the
[14:51] protection of infrastructure, county
roads, county infrastructure, etc., etc.
[14:58] Um so we put after
After we get the request from you, then
[15:05] we initiate what's called a damage
survey report team, which would be NRCS
[15:13] and Rio Blanco personnel to go out and
take a look at what the potential or
[15:19] already damaged sites are, what it's
going to take to protect those sites,
[15:24] come up with a cost estimate, and then
therefore request assistance from
[15:30] national headquarters in terms of
dollars that would help pay for the
[15:36] installation of this stuff. You guys are
required to get access or permission
[15:44] from the land owners to do the work. So,
John Q public out there, you are
[15:50] required to go out and say, "Hey, we
want to do this on your property to
[15:54] protect your house. Are you okay with
that?" And you have to get permission to
[15:58] do that. If there's a permit that's
required from the feds or the state or
[16:02] the local government, you're required to
get those permits. Um, if you go out and
[16:10] hire a private company to do all of this
work that might come from EWP,
[16:18] you guys have to administer the contract
to do that with that contractor. We
[16:24] oversee that to make sure that
everything's being done correctly. But
[16:28] you're responsible for requesting
bids, requesting or approving bids, and
[16:36] then following the cost and making sure
that uh uh everything by that contractor
[16:42] is done according to NRCS standards and
specs with us overseeing and helping you
[16:47] out.
The big number is we pay for 75% of the
[16:52] cost.
The sponsor has to come up with 25%. As
[16:58] I talked to Cali about this, we prefer
cash,
[17:02] but if you don't have cash, you can
offset that with inind services. And we
[17:09] can get into the gory details of that,
but that just basically means um labor,
[17:15] machinery, uh time by the county can be
used by doing the work can be used to
[17:24] offset the cash requirement. We have to
agree on what those costs are prior to
[17:33] getting to work. As I told Cali, you
know, some guy working a shovel,
[17:39] we're not going to pay him a hundred
bucks an hour. That's all there is to
[17:42] it. You know, whatever whatever you
would charge for that from a county
[17:46] perspective, that's probably acceptable.
And then um after that
[17:54] the only other responsibility that you
have after paying the bills we it's a
[17:59] reimburseable program. So you pay the
bills we reimbur you submit for
[18:04] reimbursement. We don't give you the
cash upfront um to go out and and and
[18:09] and hire these contractors and pay them
and everything else. You got to uh um
[18:15] get reimbursed. We are pretty good about
getting reimbured within a couple of
[18:19] weeks. So that's no issue. And then
after it's all said and done and the
[18:23] work is installed, the sponsor is
responsible for the operation and
[18:29] maintenance
of the items that we put in. So, if we
[18:35] put in some flood barrier bags to
protect a house, there's another event
[18:40] that comes along and damages or moves
those
[18:46] blood barrier bags, then the county is
responsible to uh operate and maintain
[18:53] those as they were designed to protect
that house.
[18:57] And then I get into a lot of details of
the damage survey report, priority list,
[19:02] eligibility sort of stuff. You can read
through this. Here's a matrix that we
[19:06] have on what's high or low uh uh risk
sort of stuff and some other stuff. But
[19:13] that's that's the gist of it
um for you guys to consider. The first
[19:19] step again to review is you have to
request assistance. And Cali, I think we
[19:23] had you were having a conversation with
um Clinton on this. Just to assure you,
[19:29] uh requesting assistance does not commit
the county to anything. All it does is
[19:36] initiate NRCS to come out and start
working with you and whoever your
[19:41] partners might be to do a damage survey
assessment. And that basically is coming
[19:48] up with what are we going to do to
protect life and property and how much
[19:52] is it going to cost? And then once we
get that done, you guys look it over and
[19:57] if you're okay with it, you sign the
damage survey report. We submit that to
[20:02] national headquarters. We get money
back from them and then what happens is
[20:09] we uh put together an agreement between
NRCS and the county. and it says the
[20:16] county will do this, NRCS will do that,
and here's some timelines that we need
[20:22] to meet, and that's basically how the
program works. See, Cali, I told you it
[20:28] was simple.
>> Okay. Yeah, right, Todd.
[20:32] I know better than this.
>> It's it's simpler than a lot of programs
[20:37] you might be involved with. That's for
sure.
[20:39] » Yeah, exactly. So just um so the county
could send in this letter, get things
[20:48] rolling. That gives us time to work with
the conservation district and then if
[20:53] the conservation district decided to be
the sponsor, they could do that. Is that
[20:57] correct? Well, technically if the count
if the if the county is going to submit
[21:04] and then the conservation district's
going to be the sponsor, um
[21:09] realistically we should be getting a
request from the conservation district
[21:14] sometime within that 60day time frame.
Okay.
[21:18] » Okay.
>> Right. I because I I if I I need
[21:24] whoever's going to be the sponsor, they
got to ask for they got to ask for help.
[21:29] Well, the elephant in the room here is
the 25%.
[21:33] » Yeah, I know.
>> That the county is going to have to come
[21:36] up with or the conservation district.
Yes, Vicki.
[21:41] » I think another part of the elephant in
the room will be
[21:45] the management of that. You're going to
have to increase staffing. We don't have
[21:49] existing staffing to be able to manage
that. Plus, I think you're going to end
[21:52] up look adding grant management to this
piece. So I think that definitely will
[21:59] have to be part of that consideration.
>> Not only do you have manage the
[22:03] management process of that.
>> So let go
[22:07] » let me back up just a little bit. So
there's let's say we go forward with
[22:10] this. Let's say it's a million bucks.
Okay. Just a nice easy number to work
[22:15] with. So uh we're going to provide
$750,000
[22:20] worth of construction money. Uh and then
the county's on the hook for the
[22:25] $250,000.
Right. So, that's for the construction
[22:28] money. There's two pots of money. One of
them is called FA, financial assistance.
[22:34] That's the construction money. That's
that $750,000
[22:38] of federal funds coming in and you're on
the hook for $ 250. The other side of
[22:44] that is what's called technical
assistance dollars. Hold on.
[22:50] Technical assistance dollars. Those are
TA dollars. And that's based on a a
[22:58] a calculation of 15%
of the estimated construction cost. So
[23:06] we estimate through the damage survey
report that it's going to cost a million
[23:12] bucks to do this all this work that
might need to be done in Rio Blanco
[23:16] County.
It's Cal TA technical assistance is
[23:21] calculated at 15% of construction costs.
So that's $150,000
[23:28] of TA that comes in with the $750,000
of FA of federal dollars. So you we put
[23:38] a portion of that $150,000
[23:43] plus all of the financial assistance the
750
[23:48] we put that into the agreement that the
reason I'm telling you this
[23:53] you can use those TA dollars to
reimburse employees or or or have us pay
[24:01] for employees administering these
contracts. administering this agreement
[24:07] and doing all of the administrative work
that needs to be done to implement this
[24:14] project. You can also use those funds to
go out and hire an engineering firm to
[24:19] man or a consulting firm to manage this
project for you. So, it's not going to
[24:27] be money from a project management
standpoint. It's not going to be money
[24:34] out of your pocket because we will
reimburse you for those administrative
[24:39] costs at 100% of those costs as long as
they're reasonable. Right? So, you can't
[24:47] be charging us 500 bucks an hour from
for somebody running a copy machine. You
[24:52] see what I'm saying? So those are the
two the two funds that come into this
[24:57] thing is the FA which is the
construction which you're on the hook
[25:00] for 25%
or incind which can offset that and then
[25:05] also the TA which is the 150 I was
talking about. Does that make any sense
[25:09] or is that kind of clear or
>> Well, but the other thing Todd, I think
[25:14] you're making it sound like the county
has to actually provide the money
[25:19] » and my understanding is the state, we
would work with other partners to get
[25:25] that 25%.
>> It doesn't have to come out of counties
[25:28] coffers. It can come from the state, the
Colorado River District, or others. Is
[25:33] that true?
>> That's true. you can work out an
[25:36] agreement and have an agreement with
them for them to reimburse you or supply
[25:41] you money. So, that's fine. We're good
with that.
[25:45] » And we have time to figure that out once
we send this letter, whether it's the
[25:50] county or the district requesting the
assistance while you're doing the damage
[25:54] survey report. And then you give us the
dollar figure that it would be, we can
[25:59] be working with those other partners. I
say we, whether it's county or district
[26:04] to determine if they will pay the other
25%
[26:08] before we ever sign your agreement that
then would kick off the 220 days. Is
[26:13] that true?
>> That is true. If it that is true to
[26:19] there there's Yeah, I'm just going to
say that's true right now. We'll keep it
[26:23] simple.
>> Okay.
[26:29] So, I think we as the county need to
have this conversation with the
[26:33] conservation district. And the reason
I'm saying that, you you know this
[26:37] better than I, but typically across the
state, it's the conservation district
[26:43] that does this when NRCS comes in with
an EWP. Is that accurate?
[26:49] » Uh, no, it's not.
>> Okay.
[26:54] So we go
just the most recent history, the East
[26:59] Troublesome Fire down in Grand County.
Northern Water was the main sponsor uh
[27:05] above Windy Gap Reservoir and then below
Windy Gap, Grand County was the sponsor.
[27:11] So we had two specific sponsors for two
specific areas. The Middle Park uh
[27:17] conservation district was heavily
involved with that from a landowner
[27:21] outreach situation, but they did not
provide uh they were not a sponsor so to
[27:29] speak. Uh they were just supportive of
Northern Water and supportive of Grand
[27:34] County. On the Cameron Peak fire, it was
city of Gley L and Lmer County that were
[27:41] the two main sponsors for the work that
got taken care of off the Cameron Peak
[27:46] fire. Uh Callwood fire, that was Boulder
County.
[27:51] » Okay, so I for
>> I can go on and on. The one in
[27:55] Glennwood, it was the city of Glenwood,
Pine uh Pine Gulch, uh was uh Mesa
[28:02] County, and then we also had Garfield
County on that, too. So, it's you that
[28:07] the conservation districts typically
have not been involved uh in recent
[28:13] memory going back to when I started
working on EWP full-time uh 2015.
[28:22] » Okay. Thank you.
So
[28:27] the 25% if uh
the county's budget right now is not in
[28:33] very good shape. If we decide that we
want to pursue this, can we get the
[28:40] private land owners to kick in the 25%
and is that u an option?
[28:48] » You can do that. It is. Yes, it is an
option and it is a royal pain
[28:58] » to try and collect it.
>> Not not only that, not only that, let me
[29:03] let me we did this on the Spring Creek
fire with Warfan County. Uh they they
[29:09] were adamant that they wanted to have
the land owners have some skin in the
[29:13] game. And so
whenever there was a change order during
[29:19] construction, so we had 100 ft of this,
it was going to cost 1,000 bucks to do
[29:24] this, whatever we were doing down there.
Now when there was a change order, now
[29:30] we're going to do 125 ft of whatever it
was. And that increased the cost. All of
[29:36] a sudden, we got to go through this. The
county had to go through this whole
[29:40] process to work with the land owner for
the increase in cost for the additional
[29:46] 25 feet and it just turned into a
nightmare from an administrative
[29:52] standpoint. It really did. Uh and if you
want to take that on and and you think
[29:56] that's worth it, uh go ahead. But you
have to get permission from that
[30:01] landowner first and foremost to do the
work. And then you're going to have to
[30:06] have that follow-up conversation with
them. Okay, now we come out and say this
[30:10] thing's going to cost, you know, $5,000.
You're on the hook for 25%. So that's
[30:17] what a,000 bucks, let's say, or 1,250
bucks. You're on the hook for 1,250
[30:24] bucks, landowner, to get this work to
protect your property. And you're going
[30:28] to have to have some agreement and some
process all set up for them to pay you
[30:33] $1,250.
And then like I just said, if it changes
[30:38] all of a sudden now the cost went up to
six grand or 7500
[30:42] uh whatever for whatever reason because
nothing ever goes in, you know, right as
[30:48] it was designed and there's always a
little something going on there. Um then
[30:53] all of a sudden we got to get the
landowner permission that they're on the
[30:56] hook for an additional x amount of
dollars. So, like I said, in in in in
[31:02] hindsight, I would not recommend doing
that unless you are adamant that you
[31:08] need the land owners to chip in on this
thing.
[31:12] » Well, it's not necessarily the adamant
that they need to chip in. It's where
[31:16] else are we going to get the money?
>> Yeah, I understand.
[31:19] » I appreciate your input.
>> So, Todd, just one last thing and then
[31:24] we better move on to our other stuff.
Um,
[31:28] so that 60 days to get the letter in
there is from when?
[31:34] » When you get uh access basically. So
when it's safe to go into the area to
[31:44] assess the damages. I'm assuming that's
already occurred. I saw some emails
[31:49] going back that that was August 25th. Is
that correct?
[31:53] » Yes.
So August 25th would put us somewhere in
[31:56] October, right? Say October 24th or
whatever the day would be. Yeah. So it's
[32:02] it's based on when access is allowed to
get in to do this damage survey
[32:11] assessment.
>> Okay.
[32:16] Thank you, sir. Appreciate all the info.
I know we will have plenty of other
[32:20] questions, but thank you. You're
welcome. So, I sign off right now.
[32:27] » I think you're good to go with that.
>> All right, you guys have a great
[32:30] meeting. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[32:32] » All right. Byebye.
[32:36] » So,
>> lots of food.
[32:39] » So, you don't want toize
this right now?
[32:42] » I don't think we do just yet. I think we
have some more conversation of who
[32:46] submits that.
>> Okay. Very good.
[32:50] Okay. Good discussion. So, we're going
to move on now to business
[32:56] line B.
>> Mr. Chair, I would move ratification of
[33:04] contract amendment with Kenneth E.
Harrison Family Trust amending the
[33:08] contract to end one month early on
September 30th, 2025.
[33:14] » I will second that.
So what this is is this this was a uh
[33:21] when we were looking for a
u
[33:27] accounting
>> finance director
[33:29] » finance director thank you finance
director. We there was no place in Mer
[33:34] to live and we were aware of that and
when we started uh uh doing
[33:45] applications and stuff, we thought that
it would be a uh benefit if we had a
[33:51] house for this person to live in when
they got here. We went out on a limb and
[33:57] rented a house to do that. We cannot
find a finance director.
[34:04] Um, and so we rented a house and didn't
fill it up. Now, we're trying going to
[34:11] end that contract early because we don't
nobody's using it. So, we're going to
[34:17] end that contract early. That's what
this is about.
[34:22] Um,
I'm going to second it. Did I second it?
[34:26] » I think you did. I think we're good to
call.
[34:29] » Okay. So, we need to roll call, please.
>> I
[34:39] » Okay, let's move on to line item B.
[34:45] Mr. Chair, I would move to ratify um
anou with Yampa Valley Community
[34:51] Foundation, an existing 501c3
organization as fiscal agent for the
[34:57] purpose of recovery efforts for the Lee
and Elk fires.
[35:01] » I'm going to second that.
This is a uh people wanted to start
[35:07] making donations to the victims of the
Lee and Elk fire and the county entered
[35:12] into a contract or anou with Yampa
Valley Community Foundation to accept
[35:19] all of the money and then go through a
process to distribute that money. And we
[35:25] were able to uh put some people on the
board that decided where that money
[35:31] goes. And um I think it's going to work
out pretty good. It kind of puts our
[35:38] intention was to funnel the money to one
place and then distributed instead of
[35:43] having money spread all over the place.
Our intention
[35:48] » and I might I would like to because in
that contract it says that they will
[35:53] provide us I think it's monthly or
quarterly how much they've got.
[35:57] » We need to follow up with that and make
sure that we see that. I haven't seen
[36:00] it. You may have. I don't think that uh
they have distributed any monies yet
[36:06] » but yes we'll find out follow up with
them.
[36:09] » Okay.
>> You please call the role.
[36:13] » I
[36:19] » Okay, let's move on to line item C.
>> So, Mr. Chair, I would move the um to
[36:25] approve
[36:29] under CRS31-1-902
[36:35] um.51B
of whether the certified copy
[36:41] of the resolution of Eastern Rioano
County Health Service District Doing
[36:46] Business is Pioneer Medical Center to
increase the board from five members to
[36:52] seven members. is a material
modification of the district's approved
[36:56] service plan.
>> I'll second that.
[37:02] » So, let me explain where the county
stands on this and and what our deal is.
[37:08] And I agree with Bobby that that uh when
with your comments earlier, the way that
[37:14] that was gone done was was uh for lack
of a better word, sloppy.
[37:21] the judge
turned it down because of the the
[37:26] statute that they used to do it. She had
no authority to do it under that
[37:30] statute. And so she just said she didn't
turn it down the the the
[37:36] board
number down. She just said I have no
[37:39] authority to do anything and so I'm
denying your motion is what she did. So
[37:44] that didn't do anything to
uh the the service plan. Then it came to
[37:51] the county and the county uh for some
reason didn't they said that it didn't
[37:58] look like it would affect the service
plan that they had filed. When a special
[38:03] district is formed, they have to file a
service plan with the county
[38:09] and and uh they have to maintain that
service plan and the county at that time
[38:15] determined that they that would not
affect the service plan. So they didn't
[38:21] respond.
Then uh
[38:25] the hospital board then decided to go
back
[38:31] well then the hospital board did it
through a some other way by changing
[38:36] their bylaws or something like that. And
uh so they went to a fiveman board. I
[38:42] don't know that that was ever legally a
fiveman board but that's not our issue.
[38:48] The issue now is that they
used a statute to go back to a sevenman
[38:54] board. The statute that they used to do
that does not give us authority to
[39:01] appoint people. It does not give the
hospital district authority to appoint
[39:06] people. It has to go to an election. the
statute that they that their lawyer used
[39:13] to go back to a sevenman board, it has
to go to either a special election or a
[39:19] regular election. So, we have no the way
that the the hospital filed for this. We
[39:26] there's nothing we can do
and there's nothing the hospital can do.
[39:31] It has to go to a special election
unless they file something different.
[39:39] So that's
the story
[39:44] » if I may.
>> Yes.
[39:47] » But we're saying
we there is no material impacts to go
[39:54] from five to seven. So we are supporting
that with this motion. Correct. This
[39:58] motion is saying that they there's this
does not affect the service plan that
[40:04] they filed with the county of rec for
record and so we don't have a problem
[40:10] with it
[40:15] and I wish it was different but
because of the statute that the lawyer
[40:20] used we have nothing we can do our hand
are tied.
[40:27] Did I second that?
>> You did.
[40:29] » Okay.
>> Overton.
[40:31] » I
[40:34] » Okay, let's move on to line item D.
>> Mr. Chair, I would move um approval of a
[40:42] renewal
of an agree of agreement for services
[40:46] with Redlands Accounting for interim
finance director services.
[40:51] » I will second that.
Um, as I stated before, we are having a
[40:57] hard time finding a uh finance director
and so we contract with uh Lisa, who is
[41:05] the owner of Redlands Accounting to help
us get through the these hard times and
[41:09] she's doing a really good job and we
need to retain her until we can get this
[41:14] position filled. We do have some uh uh
resumes in now and and are going through
[41:22] the process. So hopefully
we can get this taken care of, but until
[41:27] then we need to retain Lisa
uh Redland services
[41:35] for the interim.
[41:38] » Would you please call the role?
>> I
[41:44] » Okay, let's move on to line item B
business E.
[41:50] » So Mr. Chair, I would move um to approve
the core service plan for the second
[41:56] year of a three-year plan for human
services.
[42:00] » I will second that.
[42:05] » I'm going to have to get somebody else
to help me out with that. Vicki, would
[42:09] you help me out with line item E,
>> which is the services plan for human
[42:17] services? Okay. So that particular plan
is something that comes up annually and
[42:22] what that is is what DHS has to do for
minimum um DHS contracts. So core
[42:28] services would be like your um child
interaction uh therapies um if there's
[42:36] alcohol counseling, if there's um it's
it's like when a DHS plan comes about,
[42:43] it's how do you get the family reunited?
That's what the poor services plan is
[42:49] and the state gives us an appropriation
of money for that and this is the second
[42:54] year of that particular plan.
>> Very good.
[43:00] » Would you please call the RO?
>> Hi.
[43:03] » Hi.
>> Good. Let's move on to line item
[43:07] business F.
[43:13] » Mr. Chair, I would move approval of the
2025 RBC EEO and I can never remember
[43:19] what that means. Mer Airport Cter um
Cterfield winter maintenance policy and
[43:25] procedure.
[43:28] » I'll second that.
Eric, do you want to explain that a
[43:33] little bit?
>> Um yes, sir. So this is uh a general
[43:39] general policy to align how Maker
airport manages winter maintenance at
[43:46] the airport. Um the intent of the policy
is to clarify the responsibilities
[43:53] between the county and airport oper uh
managers snow removal or winter
[43:59] maintenance procedures and uh and
methodology. and then also
[44:04] privatelyowned hangers and their
responsibility for the exclusive area in
[44:10] front of their hangers. Uh it is also
intent is to align with FAA and CD
[44:17] aeronautics guidance on how as sponsors
uh as real county as the sponsor of the
[44:23] maker airport manages the airport for
winter maintenance along with how the
[44:29] FAA and C. Aeronautics uh use the
exclusive area for privately held
[44:35] hangers.
The uh definition of exclusive area for
[44:39] privately held hangers is the 50 foot in
front of the hanger from the front face
[44:45] of the hanger that ties to the apron or
general use area.
[44:53] The uh one of the key aspects of it is
that then this will then tie to ground
[44:59] lease expectation
or ground lease uh terms and conditions
[45:04] for the hanger.
[45:11] Okay. So, I have some questions and I
didn't get to um visit with you about it
[45:18] before.
Um and I So, one thing just a a what do
[45:25] you call a formatting question I would
have before we totally finalize it. Um
[45:30] but I think if I'm not mistaken, those
first three are basically definitions.
[45:35] Right.
>> Right.
[45:36] » Okay. I'd put that under a definition's
title just so it's clear to somebody.
[45:40] That's a minor detail. Um, under
exclusive use,
[45:49] I understand it exactly the way that you
said it, but do I see in here anything
[45:53] that says that there is that 50 foot in
front of this?
[45:58] It talks about
exclusive use areas
[46:04] may include and I would suggest includes
but are not limited to the land
[46:09] footprint defined in the private um
hangers ground lease. I guess that's
[46:14] where it would be, wouldn't it? It would
be in that ground lease is 50 feet.
[46:18] » Is that true? Okay. Is that the way it
is in our all of those current ones?
[46:23] uh the um
>> not necessarily because any ground lease
[46:29] that was executed prior to 2023 when the
FAA defined their or basically
[46:37] uh started enforcing the exclusive uh
use area and front hangers would not
[46:43] have uh had that definition as clearly
defined okay
[46:46] » in those ground leases. But from moving
forward from that point, new adoption of
[46:53] the ground lease. So it will have that
50 exclusive area property.
[46:59] » Okay. So would there be value in
actually stating 50 foot in here since
[47:03] some of those don't have it yet? I don't
know. I'm just thinking that might be
[47:06] something that would be valuable.
>> There's no issue with adding additional
[47:10] clarification in the in the policy.
>> Okay.
[47:14] I I think that would help, but I hadn't
caught that it would potentially be
[47:18] under the ground leases, but I if we
could makes sense to me. Um,
[47:26] and so under number four, county
responsibilities,
[47:30] the county um responsible for performing
the winter maintenance. So, are we going
[47:35] to do that or is the manager going to do
that?
[47:39] » That is up to how we manage the airport.
So if
[47:45] » at the larger umbrella we're responsible
as airport sponsorship to do airport for
[47:51] winter maintenance at the airports.
>> Okay.
[47:54] » How we delegate those responsibilities
within
[47:58] uh FBO and airport manager uh contracts
is is up to us as long as somebody's
[48:04] covering winter maintenance. And so it's
ultimately our responsibility. However,
[48:09] we have the ability to delegate. And I
would say the flexibility because there
[48:14] may be a reason why I mean you're just
saying the county owns the property.
[48:18] This is what we're going to do but then
we have the flexibility to say maybe we
[48:23] decide the road and bridge is going to
do it or maybe we decide someone's going
[48:26] to do it or the FBO is going to do it.
So
[48:29] » again it's our responsibility but that
gives us the flexibility to figure out
[48:33] for what best meets the county purposes.
>> Okay. And I missed this when I first
[48:37] read it. My apologies because it does
say through its designated airport
[48:41] management. So that covers what my
concern was.
[48:45] Okay. Um
[48:53] so in the condo part we're looking at
doing on that new one the bigger one
[49:00] doing condos. So when if there becomes
an issue
[49:05] or back up so that 50 ft in front of in
front of each one of those is that going
[49:10] to be the associations
um responsibility that's who we would go
[49:17] to if there's an issue or would we need
to go to each one of those four people
[49:20] if it's sold or if it's four different
people
[49:24] » in addressing this to the uh the larger
hanginger where it's it's four bays uh
[49:31] the owner and and constructor of those
hangers has elected to uh pursue doing a
[49:38] condominium association so that they can
individually sell off each hanger. with
[49:44] that condominium association there'd be
a declaration and in that it would
[49:49] clearly identify that the
uh HOA or the however that's built would
[49:57] be the ultimate responsibility with the
the ground leases and then that then
[50:03] falls to the individual owners that
would then be part of that condominium
[50:07] association
in anger
[50:11] ownership. So it being shared property
and I by no means am I an attorney. So
[50:17] » I meaning
>> but as as I as I understand it
[50:22] if we have issues we would address it
with the the HOA or the condominium
[50:26] association
>> association
[50:28] » and then condinium association would
then need to address it with those
[50:31] individual owners. again in the
under the umbrella of keeping it defined
[50:39] on roles and responsibilities yet also
leaving flexibility amongst the parties
[50:45] to figure out the best solution for the
operation of the airport. Um, at the end
[50:50] of the day, if the condominium
association comes back and let's say,
[50:53] for example, us as airport sponsorship,
we write into the airport managers
[51:00] contract as a subcontractor to the Rio
County, their responsibilities is to do
[51:07] winter maintenance for the airport. Now,
it would be well within that airport
[51:12] manager's contract if they want to
negotiate with the condominium
[51:16] association to come in and say, "Listen,
it makes sense. I'm out here doing snow
[51:21] removal. I know what needs to be done.
It makes sense for them to strike up a
[51:26] negotiation on how that's done. In that
event, as an airport sponsor for Rio
[51:32] Vaka County, we only care that we're
meeting FAA seed obligations and good
[51:37] stewardship of the airport. And so, as
long as snow is being removed and that
[51:42] is we understand where those roles and
responsibilities fall, then I feel like
[51:48] we're properly covered under both the
policy and ground leases and airport
[51:52] management.
>> Yep. Okay. Thank you, sir. So that's the
[51:56] only thing I would just say is that one
if we just kind of clarify the 50 foot
[52:00] piece is the only thing I would suggest
we update that.
[52:04] Thank you.
[52:07] » Okay. Any other discussion?
[52:12] » Just call the roll.
>> I
[52:22] wait.
>> Okay. Let's go on to uh business line
[52:26] item G.
[52:31] » Um
[52:36] so can we have conversation about this
before we do a motion? Do I need to move
[52:42] that we discuss it? How do I do that?
You can I believe you would move it,
[52:47] second it, and then it's open for
discussion. And then at that point, if
[52:50] you decide you want to table it, you'd
make another motion to table.
[52:57] » Think about this. Just second on the
record.
[53:06] » So
[53:09] I want to make So Mr. Chair, I would
make a motion
[53:17] to approve the EEO RBC Maker Airport
Cterfield new building ground lease
[53:24] amendment number one with hangers west
with amendments
[53:30] and those amendments. Miss I would like
to have discussion first but
[53:37] I think I forgot to bring it in.
Okay. Um,
[53:42] » my apologies. I think I forgot to bring
>> I'll second that for purpose of
[53:47] discussion. You need to go get it.
>> I think I got to run and get it. My
[53:51] apologies, guys. M was must left it
sitting there.
[53:54] » Okay.
>> Don't run very fast for the record.
[53:58] » We'll be here when you get back.
[54:19] Okay.
[54:59] Okay. So, the concern that I had is just
again, and it's not about what's in it.
[55:06] It's just I don't want it to tie us down
to our snow removal.
[55:12] and and I get the snow removal that's in
this contract is equal to this one we
[55:18] just approved. Right?
So my concern is
[55:25] a contract will supersede policy.
Is that accurate?
[55:30] » Not necessarily.
>> If I don't
[55:33] » policy is what what is your concern with
the with the lease?
[55:37] » I just don't want it to nail us down to
that. So if later on Eric decided there
[55:42] was a better way or a new way to do it,
I don't want it in the lease. So or in
[55:47] the contract. So I'm thinking even if we
just said
[55:52] subject to county policy amendments in
that section or something like that so
[55:58] that we're not locked in there
>> because we are not going to amend that
[56:03] to give them any more property.
>> No, it's not property. All I'm talking
[56:07] about is no removal. But the 50 ft is
it's kind of the same thing as the other
[56:14] deal. So by saying that you're setting
that at 50 feet in the contract, you're
[56:20] saying this that 50 ft is yours. No
matter what, that 50 ft is yours. That
[56:23] is in the contract. If we decide, if for
some reason Eric's now decided that it's
[56:28] more important for us to do something
within that 50t that is the private
[56:34] property of those hanger owners,
we can do that.
[56:39] He just can't do less than that. He
can't do, you know, I don't feel it. I'm
[56:44] going to just do, you know,
>> I I think um the back story
[56:52] set the context of terminology that's in
the amendment with hangers west.
[56:57] » Okay. And I and I want to hear that, but
just just keep in mind
[57:02] if it's not written, it's not there.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[57:07] » I would like to give context on what's
why it was written the way it was.
[57:10] » Okay. Thank you. So um prior to Hangers
West constructing their hanger which is
[57:16] a 400 by 125 hanger uh which gives them
400 ft of linear linear uh space along
[57:24] the GA ramp with their 50 foot exclusive
use. The way the methodology in which
[57:31] the county and of course by proxy the
airport manager did snow removal is they
[57:36] would blade all the snow off the edge of
the GA ramp to the east. Uh this was
[57:42] concerning for Hangers West when we
wrote in that they would be responsible
[57:46] for the winter maintenance for that 50
foot as if we were to stay with that
[57:51] same methodology and the winter
maintenance, we would be plowing our
[57:57] snow onto their apron. And it's much the
same we experience it in our
[58:01] neighborhoods, right? like the city the
city guys they plow across the uh you
[58:07] know through the uh street and then it
covers your sidewalk and then you got to
[58:11] go out and shovel it out.
That's a that's a pain for a resident.
[58:15] That's a that's a significant task when
you have 400 linear feet. And so the
[58:23] going back and forth in that agreement,
the hangers west just wanted to make
[58:27] sure that they were clear on they
understood that they're responsible for
[58:31] that 50 foot of winter maintenance. They
just felt that it needed more definition
[58:36] on methodology on how we do our winter
main. So we're not creating a a bigger
[58:42] problem than what they what they have
and clarifying, hey, look, if you guys
[58:47] are going to do snow removal into that
50 foot, please do it in a manner that
[58:52] pushes it, you know, towards the north,
towards the south, but doesn't create us
[58:56] a a bigger mound of snow than what we
have to so that we can properly adhere
[59:01] to our ground lease and make sure we're
doing everything.
[59:06] It's hard to write that so that you all
understand it and that's what the goal
[59:12] of that technology was in there.
>> So help me understand what what just to
[59:20] make it simple. What are what are we
going to do with the snow? Are we going
[59:23] to plow it onto the them and they're
going to plow it back? Is it is it are
[59:27] we going to plow it off the end? Is
there a designated spot for the snow and
[59:31] a and a way to do it or
>> so? Uh this is a this is a tough one
[59:38] because given the storm conditions,
right?
[59:40] » Yeah.
>> Y
[59:42] » um landing for years, culterary aviation
for years. We assist with road and
[59:47] bridge on the snow removal out at the
airport.
[59:50] » And so we assist with we have a truck
that we provide culter aviation with a
[59:55] plow. It's a a larger single axle dump
truck. you do quite a bit, but you know,
[1:00:01] when you're talking
thousands of feet of asphalt can get
[1:00:05] bogged down. So, we do help with a a
snowblower attachment to a front end
[1:00:10] loader. So, they come in, they set that
up, and they usually do a border area to
[1:00:16] establish edge of runway, taxi ways,
that kind of thing. And then that way
[1:00:19] landing kind of see where he needs to
push the snow. I believe right now the
[1:00:25] thinking is is that we move that snow to
the north. there's a 200 foot area that
[1:00:31] hasn't been constructed on. Uh we try to
maximize the use of that. There is also
[1:00:38] uh towards the very north of it. So
that's kind of northeast section at the
[1:00:42] end of uh the uh hangers west. And then
there's uh and then there's a section
[1:00:48] where there's no structure or anything
at the very north. And so the the
[1:00:52] attempt is push as much as you can to
that north to get it removed. work with
[1:00:59] Road and Bridge to get the snow blown
away from and then and then that allows
[1:01:04] Hangers West and the other hanger owners
to have the best shot of not being over
[1:01:09] overtaken with snow from the large air
prints onto their 50 foot exclusive.
[1:01:15] I think a lot of this is figuring out
how it works. It's just everybody's, you
[1:01:20] know, Hangers West is going, "If you
plow this all over onto us,
[1:01:24] » right,
>> we're going to have a big problem." and
[1:01:27] and as airport we're going yeah but you
also need to take care of what's going
[1:01:33] on because we got everything else that
we gota we got to do out there and so
[1:01:38] » it's the uh the goal is to keep it broad
yet
[1:01:42] defined
>> and yet and then you know and so if the
[1:01:47] language isn't fitting I mean we could
could work on that but that was intently
[1:01:53] » I totally get and understand that intent
Yeah, I I think that this is going to be
[1:01:58] a just knowing that the the plow that
he's using is a side delivery plow and
[1:02:04] so to move that snow
the north is going to require new
[1:02:08] equipment or or not new equipment but
different methods and different
[1:02:13] equipment. So, it's going to be a moving
till they get it figured out
[1:02:19] » and degree of storm. Right.
>> Yes.
[1:02:22] » Exactly. Last year wouldn't have been a
problem.
[1:02:24] » Yeah. We get five or six inches. No
one's It's probably gonna be gone before
[1:02:27] they actually move.
>> Yeah. we get a good two foot and and and
[1:02:33] then another foot on top of that and you
know that's when
[1:02:37] it it becomes a
logistics uh
[1:02:41] » and so the way that this is written is
is uh
[1:02:46] we're going to work together with them
or we're going to uh plow our GA ramp
[1:02:54] and then take it all our snow north and
they're going to take their snow north
[1:02:58] or How how do you perceive that
happening?
[1:03:02] » The the intent the way it was written is
that we're we're going to try to get the
[1:03:06] snow and the snow to the north and to
the east away from their building,
[1:03:09] » right?
>> And then use any means we can to kind of
[1:03:13] keep it from creating a a big issue for
them. Uh
[1:03:19] the uh the tough part is is until we
really start getting sto uh snowstorms
[1:03:24] in and we have the new hangers, we now
have a new facility there. Um there's
[1:03:30] going to be some logistics working out.
And then I'm I'm not the one personally
[1:03:35] doing it
>> or coordinating it. So, um, that's going
[1:03:40] to be also tough because it's going to
be left up to the build side to culture
[1:03:45] aviation and hangers west and everybody
else out there. We currently have
[1:03:51] texts where, you know, we've done snow
removal for years. the um the small
[1:03:56] aircraft apron even though we call small
aircraft apron is
[1:04:02] the u larger
[1:04:07] that I'm I am adding some complexity
doing where we're planning our farm and
[1:04:13] I think there's just going to be a lot
of things we have to work around and
[1:04:17] change up how we've done it in the past
doing as a result of the new
[1:04:21] infrastructure and of course uh the new
Yeah. And and and I can see that and and
[1:04:27] snow removal is not cheap. And I can see
us getting into a little more expense
[1:04:33] there somewhere. Whether it's
where that expense falls, I don't know,
[1:04:38] but it's it's
it's concerning.
[1:04:43] » It is. And and until we kind of see it
in action, too. I mean, we can plan all
[1:04:49] we want.
>> Exactly. But I mean, now we have a 400
[1:04:53] 125 building. We're going to have a
we're going to have a farm that we're
[1:04:57] going to have to work around and some
new roads and we're kind of shifting up
[1:05:01] how we access the airport. I think those
all create new new uh you know, and I
[1:05:10] agree with your approach on it because,
you know, we could hire an engineering
[1:05:14] company to engineer the snow.
>> Let's not.
[1:05:21] So what if
our amendment is as simp
[1:05:34] likely be adjustments. So we need to
build something in that gives us that
[1:05:39] latitude. So, kind of towards the end
there, um, in partnership, in
[1:05:44] partnership with
owners or whatever, however you I know
[1:05:51] with words, but you'll get you'll get
it, but in partnership with them and
[1:05:57] subject to county policies,
you know, it could be adjusted something
[1:06:03] to that matter. I just think I know
you're good enough with words to
[1:06:07] understand that if that makes sense. I
would like to be a a big advocate for
[1:06:11] hangers west with this. I I have no
objection and I think that there's no
[1:06:16] harm in and are in this out. We are they
are at a
[1:06:23] point of wanting to get CO this
amendment needs to these signs that they
[1:06:29] get their water meters get their se they
move on they've done a substantial
[1:06:34] investment airport. So if I would make a
suggest if there's no objection that
[1:06:40] that you guys are able to approve this
and then in that we we iron some of
[1:06:47] those those out that way I can then I
can let the other pieces together part
[1:06:52] of the body of this one is the creation
of the condominium
[1:06:56] the approval of the the additional area
for the on-site wastewater treatment
[1:07:01] system. Those are very crucial to them
getting their CEO and I want to make
[1:07:05] sure we don't we don't hold them up in
the process of trying to cause them some
[1:07:11] hard.
>> I agree with you 100%. I'm want to get
[1:07:17] this done also.
>> Yeah. So, I would I'd love to to craft
[1:07:21] that and then at least I could uh and I
I could work with uh Vicki and Dawn of
[1:07:27] course uh in their make sure we get that
ironed out but knowing the main keys in
[1:07:34] this we're okay with and then we kind of
figure that language say okay upon
[1:07:39] accept that okay
>> so so my thoughts are exactly that I
[1:07:45] don't want to hold it up I I think a
motion will say
[1:07:50] approved with this you know minor
modification or subject to a
[1:07:56] modification that satisfies
those parties and that can happen with
[1:08:02] one conversation
done so you move it on but I don't I
[1:08:07] mean you can't sign a contract and then
come back and change it without having
[1:08:12] another modification. Well, the way I
would recommend is that you actually
[1:08:16] just do
agree to that and back the same part.
[1:08:21] They're not going to be able to get
their
[1:08:27] I wor
[1:08:31] it doesn't fall in that amendment if
this amendment right here doesn't
[1:08:36] suffice. Remember, you still have legal
evidence. So either party could say I
[1:08:42] want another amendment to adjust this
piece of it. I'm disappointed they're
[1:08:47] not here to have the conversation with I
I'm not okay. It should be simple
[1:08:54] or two
can they wouldn't be okay with it and
[1:08:59] run it.
That's my thought.
[1:09:06] That's a read me the motion how you have
the motion please. So it reads currently
[1:09:13] um move to approve the EO RBC
field
[1:09:22] LLC with
you guys.
[1:09:41] gives you.
[1:09:51] I bet I
have
[1:09:56] too much today.
[1:10:05] I don't want to be difficult. I don't
think
[1:10:11] I just I'm saying that it
could blow it up or
[1:10:22] it would be something need to go through
the county.
[1:10:26] They have legal representation.
[1:10:33] whatever you want to do and then
[1:10:38] if we do this
the motion is right now it will have it
[1:10:44] will postpone it will it will have to go
through the attorneys and come back to
[1:10:49] us.
>> Well, they signed the agreement as it
[1:10:53] is. They've already executed the
agreement as it is.
[1:10:57] So
they think which is typical we as to
[1:11:02] execute and then you guys execute. So by
>> so that's news to me but I don't see any
[1:11:08] signature on nobody had told me they
actually find it. the uh the attached
[1:11:13] document. So to save on time, we uh we
attached the final word document to the
[1:11:19] agenda items and that was done for
request for the agenda to give us time
[1:11:25] to review the documentation for today's
meeting.
[1:11:28] Then on on Monday of this week, they had
sent over the fully executed agreement
[1:11:35] and then we attached that to the u the u
the gym items and we said that I gave
[1:11:42] that verification to them that I wanted
them execution so get this into a
[1:11:47] circular loop that we signed it and they
get back you know and so they clear that
[1:11:54] up. So they send that over Monday.
[1:12:07] » So I guess bottom line is this has been
a mess from the getgo. from what I can
[1:12:13] tell they're here
the getgo
[1:12:19] from all sides and all angles
and I don't know I mean I'm not I do not
[1:12:27] want to hold it up I do not
but we've got to find a better way to do
[1:12:33] business is all I'm going to say and so
do they is the bottom line I'm not
[1:12:37] saying it's more their fault or our
fault it is a mess and I'm being nice
[1:12:44] and I I do not want to hold it up, but
we are going to find a better way to do
[1:12:49] business there and get these things done
a lot more efficiently, effectively, and
[1:12:54] not put ourselves in this position that
I feel like I am right now that I don't
[1:12:58] have a choice. I'm not okay with that
point. I don't have a choice. Well, I
[1:13:04] think your option is you can table it
and then we can send the amendment back
[1:13:09] to them and say, well, they sign that
and then represented so that it's done
[1:13:16] you know that were up that were holded
up and is
[1:13:24] pattern that's happened before in the
horse and maybe it's better to just draw
[1:13:28] a line and say no this isn't going to
proceed forward let's draw line here
[1:13:32] back up would make the whatever it is
that would make the commissioners the
[1:13:36] board happy and you know for the
betterment for the better business so
[1:13:41] the county. You know, I think it's one
of those things. We've done this
[1:13:45] throughout the process. It seems like we
set something and we've had to back up.
[1:13:49] They've set something, they've had to
back up. You said it's been on both
[1:13:52] sides of the table, but is it better to
do that and not end up with what you
[1:13:57] want versus just making the decision
now. So,
[1:14:02] » so specific what you're wanting to
change is the snow removal step
[1:14:06] » is just to say that it's subject to
policy. If policies change in the
[1:14:10] future, the snow removal policies,
that's all I'm asking for is that then
[1:14:15] this doesn't hold us our feet doesn't
make a mess for you down the road.
[1:14:19] That's I'm just trying to keep it from
making a mess for you down the road. And
[1:14:24] maybe it won't, but maybe it will.
>> And you feel that we can change the
[1:14:29] policy and this won't affect it. Is that
what you were telling me? Well, I think
[1:14:34] when the policy changes, policy can be
I'm going to move it from the left to
[1:14:38] the right or I'm going to move it from
the right to the left. That's within the
[1:14:40] county's discretion.
So, the policies, you can amend your
[1:14:45] policies without affecting it. What sets
this amendment is is that that 50 ft is
[1:14:49] your private property.
What we do, if we choose to pull out
[1:14:54] more, that's fine, but always we can't
plow less than that. how we determine
[1:15:00] how we want to plow it. Just like we
have a contract right now with a um NBO
[1:15:07] that is going to do the plowing for us.
It's up to us to assign who is going to
[1:15:11] do that. That's our policy. We have that
capability.
[1:15:16] » Yeah. Just to just because it bothers me
a little bit, I guess it's not the
[1:15:22] private property, it's their lease
property.
[1:15:24] » It's their lease property. I'm sorry.
It's their their individual respond. I
[1:15:28] mean, it's I guess I'm I'm thinking of
that as nobody else can do anything with
[1:15:33] that piece except for them.
>> They're responsible for that 50 foot,
[1:15:37] » right? That 50 foot.
>> But does that preclude us from plowing
[1:15:42] the snow on it
because they're responsible for it?
[1:15:47] We can still plow the snow on it.
>> Oh, you No. Yes. Absolutely. So, you're
[1:15:52] saying if we decided Eric wanted to plow
up to the door?
[1:15:55] » Yeah.
>> Absolutely.
[1:15:59] Let me read the last sentence. See if it
makes sense. Snow may be p pushed both
[1:16:05] and it says may be pushed both north and
south of the hangers. And in the case of
[1:16:11] the for the south side, snow may be
pushed from the access road between the
[1:16:17] hangers to the east over to the main
north south access of the road. There's
[1:16:23] something missing in that sentence there
where that semicolon is. Um, but I'm
[1:16:28] almost thinking if we just eliminate
that last sentence, you've got what you
[1:16:32] need. They have their 50 feet.
[1:16:50] » I don't know guys.
>> What if we do this? What if um
[1:16:58] » it's a stupid little
>> We have another meeting coming up. We
[1:17:03] probably could do a special meeting just
confirm that that that they're okay with
[1:17:08] that agreement.
Um,
[1:17:11] I think you could say,
how about if you said contingent upon
[1:17:17] that you're going to approve amendment
one contingent upon an amendment agreed
[1:17:23] to by the other by Hangers West. If they
don't agree to that, then your amendment
[1:17:30] fails to pass.
If they agree to it and the attorneys
[1:17:37] worked that out, then it would pass.
That makes sense. I don't think you can
[1:17:41] do that.
>> There's another option here that we go
[1:17:45] ahead and do this like Callie's talking
and then I make a motion that we let
[1:17:50] them have their water so that they can
continue on.
[1:17:56] Is that an option?
I guess one of the things that um might
[1:18:02] be a suggestion is you guys just strike
through the snow all together
[1:18:07] and uh initial executed
that would then what is remaining in the
[1:18:13] document is is the key aspects they need
for a co and to create the condominium
[1:18:18] association and then we could say uh per
additional amendment clarification for
[1:18:26] over
[1:18:31] amendment.
>> Yeah. You do a the second amendment.
[1:18:35] » The reason that the clarification is in
there is because Angers West was trying
[1:18:41] to make sure that they were protecting
that. Hey,
[1:18:45] there's move to the north, south,
you know, off of it. Just don't put it
[1:18:51] on our apron and we then we can handle
it. So if that needs additional
[1:18:55] clarification,
um I believe you can do that if seen
[1:19:00] strike through in in agreements and then
we put a note that says the additional
[1:19:06] amendment.
>> So I I I see where you're going. I like
[1:19:11] it. So my motion is going to but I don't
think there's another amendment. It's a
[1:19:15] matter of our motion and we accept it
like I make the motion and either they
[1:19:20] can initial it because they've already
signed it and it's a done deal and we've
[1:19:25] signed it and we're done. So I would
just move that we strike
[1:19:31] everything after owners
and HOA. So it's the third sentence up.
[1:19:38] I don't know if you can if you if you
got do you have
[1:19:45] it
[1:19:49] just the last sentence
[1:19:55] is the amendment that I would like on
that.
[1:20:01] » Does that make sense to you Doug?
>> Yeah it does. I'm just wondering how
[1:20:04] we're doing that.
That's an idea. I'm not saying that.
[1:20:10] » I I think it is. I mean, and I'm no
attorney either, but I'm going to say
[1:20:15] that we could move it forward that way
and see what happens.
[1:20:18] » That That really wasn't where I was
going. Procedural. Do we need to deny
[1:20:22] the first motion and make another motion
stating what you just said? Or can you
[1:20:27] amend your first motion or
>> I can amend the first motion because I
[1:20:31] basically started into that language.
>> She did. At the beginning she said that
[1:20:35] she was going to move with amendments
and now you guys have decided.
[1:20:41] » So I will move an amendment
to be striking the last sentence
[1:20:49] in the winter snow.
[1:20:55] » I'll second that.
>> So we need to vote on that.
[1:21:00] » Correct.
Will that work?
[1:21:05] » I believe it will.
>> Okay.
[1:21:07] » It covers what we need to go. And then
if uh from my viewpoint, if they they
[1:21:15] throw a their arms up and they say, "No,
not accepted." Well, then then it goes
[1:21:21] to the attorneys and then it's not on
our our shoulders that we we held this
[1:21:26] up one more time.
But that's that's my personal.
[1:21:31] » Yeah.
>> And this isn't a hard I mean it says
[1:21:34] May. So okay, I'm done holding
everything up. Sorry.
[1:21:40] » So if So what they're being held up on
is the water meters to continue with
[1:21:48] their final. Is that correct?
They they have three key factors in this
[1:21:55] amendment that's needed to add to their
additional ground.
[1:22:00] Uh one is that they have the additional
permission for their on-site wastewater
[1:22:05] system,
>> right?
[1:22:08] » That they have the right to create the
condominium association.
[1:22:13] And then of course by having that this
when this gets signed then they they
[1:22:18] have the right to on-site water system
and then they can we can then not hold
[1:22:23] them up with giving the town the letter.
It says please issue them the water
[1:22:27] meters and they have the water meters
and then they can then send that to the
[1:22:31] building official to get certificate
occy and completion of the building and
[1:22:36] then they can be get the cognity.
>> Right. So just so I understand when we
[1:22:42] do this that lets them do those three
things. Without that this they can't do
[1:22:46] those three things. Right.
>> Thank you. Um okay let's uh vote on the
[1:22:55] amendment.
I
[1:23:00] » motion passed. Now let's vote on the
original motion
[1:23:03] » as amended.
>> As amended.
[1:23:07] Over to you.
>> Hi.
[1:23:09] » Hi.
>> Thank you,
[1:23:13] » Eric. And all I'm sorry to be a pain in
the neck, but
[1:23:17] » I do a good job of it. Sorry.
[1:23:23] » Okay,
that's
[1:23:25] » stay there for the DLC or the
[1:23:30] » Excuse me.
>> I was gonna ask Eric want to stay there
[1:23:33] for the next
>> I'm I'm hanging out. Okay. You got line
[1:23:35] item H and M.
>> Okay.
[1:23:38] » Yeah. Okay.
>> I guess this one's me too.
[1:23:41] » I'm saying you don't get off the hook.
>> Go back there and take a nap.
[1:23:46] » Okay.
>> After the last one,
[1:23:49] » business line H.
[1:23:54] » So, this is another one of those I'm
really not comfortable making a motion
[1:23:57] until we talk about it. Um because I
don't understand what it really does.
[1:24:02] Um, I'll move to consider the executing
the BLM, Bureau of Land Management
[1:24:09] request for relinquishing of grant
COC-19633
[1:24:16] communication site logo.
Motion to consider it.
[1:24:22] » Okay, I'll second it for the purpose of
discussion.
[1:24:28] » Yes, sir. Okay. So, we have two leased
sites on Lobo, which is the mountain
[1:24:35] here to the uh to the west here that we
use as communication site. Um we have
[1:24:42] the original one which is is this and it
it is uh expiring 2025.
[1:24:48] Um what we did was when we built the new
tower communication site, we
[1:24:56] u demoed out the old there was a a shed
and a smaller tower site and then what
[1:25:02] we did was we went and we built our new
tower site, our new building and that
[1:25:06] lease is is uh through 2045 with BLM.
And part of that agreement with BLM is
[1:25:15] that uh once this came up, there would
be no renewal of this lease and that we
[1:25:21] would have um no structures or equipment
or anything there and they would then
[1:25:28] accept that as as uh as as done with. Um
I did a tour site with Katie Day with
[1:25:35] BLM and we went up there and she
inspected it said all looks good. there
[1:25:39] isn't an old, you know, rusted old tower
there. And then we're just basically
[1:25:45] giving this lease, letting it expire and
relinquish it back to BLM.
[1:25:51] They're done at
>> So that was contingent on the new lease
[1:25:56] that we turn this one back.
>> Yes.
[1:25:59] » Okay. Why is it a grant?
>> BLM herbage and land granting.
[1:26:07] um how they administer those type of
sites is why it's considered a grant.
[1:26:13] It's not a dollar grant.
>> Different different meaning.
[1:26:15] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[1:26:17] » Yeah. Thank you. Because I'm like going,
why are we releasing the
[1:26:22] We got a lot of stuff going on up there.
So, okay. Thank you.
[1:26:26] » Okay.
>> Understand there's two.
[1:26:27] » Any other discussion?
>> Learn something new every day.
[1:26:32] » Oh, so let's see. So, I moved
consideration of
[1:26:36] » No, I think you have to.
>> So, we're gonna
[1:26:40] do
>> Let's vote on that because we It's a
[1:26:44] motion,
right?
[1:26:47] » Does it not go through? Is the same
thing if they open it for discussion and
[1:26:50] then vote on what they discussed.
Wouldn't that argue one motion?
[1:26:54] » I don't like that consideration thing,
but um Okay. So,
[1:27:05] Okay. So, Mr. Chair, I would move an
amendment to my motion.
[1:27:10] » Motion on the table.
>> Yes. So, I'm moving an amendment.
[1:27:13] » Go ahead.
>> Move an amendment to strike
[1:27:16] consideration
[1:27:20] and replace it with approve
[1:27:24] » exe executing the BLM.
>> Good. I'll second that.
[1:27:30] Will that work for you Vicki or good?
Okay, let's vote on the amendment.
[1:27:37] » I
>> motion passed. Now let's vote on the
[1:27:43] motion.
[1:27:48] » Over 10.
>> I
[1:27:51] » Good. Motion pass.
Good. You don't get to go anywhere yet.
[1:27:57] Okay, let's move on to line item B I
discussion of the direction of the PAL
[1:28:04] park broadband tower.
[1:28:09] Okay, so um I apologize if I go too far
back or or too much in into detail. So
[1:28:17] first is definition. Um the pow park
tower can be referenced into basically
[1:28:24] it gets referenced with three nimings.
One is the pow park tower. The second is
[1:28:31] Schulz tower given the lease agreement
or for the tower spacing and then also
[1:28:37] within our network systems we call it
county road 127 tower. This tower is um
[1:28:45] was built under a um project that we did
within the broadband network to develop
[1:28:53] uh secondary power sites to expand the
broadband um network system, the fixed
[1:28:59] wireless system out into Rio County. Uh
that was outside of our primary tower
[1:29:05] sites and also outside of our fiber
network. This tower is um I think it's
[1:29:11] approximately 40 foot tall. It has
what's called a a back hole which means
[1:29:17] it has a satellite dish on it and we
call it radio backing but it has a dish
[1:29:22] on it and it receives uh a pointto-point
communication from logo tower site and
[1:29:30] then from there it has two sectors. uh
these are radios that are on top of the
[1:29:35] tower and they provide wireless internet
to people within line of sight of that
[1:29:42] that tower. So then they have a radio on
their house and these access points then
[1:29:48] distribute that network the the
frequencies to do Wi-Fi to those houses.
[1:29:54] Um the site also because it does not
have utility power meaning which you
[1:29:59] know there's no power lines to that
tower. It has a solar s uh power system
[1:30:04] to it. And so that amounts to uh two
sections of solar panels. Those tied to
[1:30:12] um a main control system that then
manages the two battery banks and the
[1:30:20] recharging of those battery banks and
the power. This power is then utilized
[1:30:25] to power the equipment that is needed
for the access points in the back. Also,
[1:30:31] you open a secondary cabinet there. What
is called POE, so power readther
[1:30:38] and there's also some additional um
inversions for because the the power
[1:30:44] coming off the solar is DC. So, there's
some equipment in there.
[1:30:49] We have about 24 subscribers that was on
this tower prior to the Lee and Elk
[1:30:56] fire. Um the uh the subscribers are both
on the the two different sectors.
[1:31:03] we uh kind of going back to the date. I
think it was about
[1:31:08] I don't have um I think it was probably
about that later part of the week of
[1:31:15] August 7th that we saw the net where
those radios go down and then it was the
[1:31:21] week of August 11th that we confirmed
through photos because we still could
[1:31:26] not go up to the site and actually see
but we used a um spotting scope and
[1:31:32] could see that the the radios had
experienced damage on the tower site.
[1:31:38] Um, we weren't able to actually go up to
the site until the week of, I believe,
[1:31:43] August 18th. We went up, we did the
inspection. Essentially, the steel part
[1:31:49] of the tower is good. the tower, its
platform, the mounting brackets for the
[1:31:54] uh for the uh solar panels, the cabinets
for the batteries, the cabinets for the
[1:32:00] equipment are all in in good shape and
do not need to be replaced. However,
[1:32:06] everything else inside or both the solar
power and and the radio equipment is
[1:32:12] have been burned and melted. And of
course, even if it doesn't look like it,
[1:32:17] you're not sure quite what's going on.
Uh we reached out immediately to uh thin
[1:32:23] air communications which is our provider
of the cambium so the radio side of it
[1:32:28] and uh thin air solutions which were the
solar side of it or estimates. It took
[1:32:34] them a little while to get those
estimates to us about about a week and a
[1:32:39] half two weeks. Um and so we've now
received those. The overall repair
[1:32:46] summary for that is it's about 20 their
estimate as $29,76123
[1:32:55] for the repair of the solar system, the
solar power system repair.
[1:33:01] And I I apologize. Castle Rock Microwave
is the ones I don't know if I them.
[1:33:08] Castle Rock is the site for the radio
equipment and they've given us an
[1:33:12] estimate quote of
$65,52.73
[1:33:17] to repair the radio equipment side. Um
they're expecting a lead time on the
[1:33:24] equipments of between 4 to 8 weeks and
then after that they uh there's a lead
[1:33:31] time of deployment of 8 to nine weeks
from hey we got equipment we're now
[1:33:37] ready for a team to go up and deploy it.
Uh we now have it up and deployed. Now
[1:33:42] we have it back and and working and now
we have uh internet being provided to
[1:33:48] our subscriber.
[1:33:55] » So the total on that do you have the
total
[1:33:58] » about 95 roughly?
>> That's okay. 95.
[1:34:02] » Yeah about 90 94. Yeah $95,000 total
repair. And that's that's assuming
[1:34:09] that's no contingency. and we get
deciding we're getting it out in our
[1:34:13] case.
[1:34:18] » So, excuse me. Sorry.
>> Um,
[1:34:24] » do Okay, so 24 people that were using
it, they've been down for at least a
[1:34:28] month, right?
>> Right.
[1:34:30] » So, do we know what they're doing in the
meantime for
[1:34:35] » or for internet?
>> Okay. Okay. So, I guess I would I I've
[1:34:42] heard from a few of them and I know some
of them want it back up and going. Given
[1:34:48] that cost and given what
technology is available today, I think
[1:34:55] we need to have a conversation with more
of them. So, what if we did a I don't
[1:35:02] know if it's a workg group or a hearing
or whatever to hear from those 24
[1:35:08] people, you know, kind of what we could
just have a conversation. I don't I want
[1:35:13] to just have a conversation about what
what the options are if we showed them
[1:35:17] different options and then what would
work best for them. We'll never satisfy
[1:35:21] everybody. We know that. But what would
work best for most people as well as the
[1:35:26] county taxpayers or
covering it. Does that make any sense?
[1:35:32] » Well, I like the idea of of letting them
come in and and voice their opinion. Um,
[1:35:37] it gives us a uh line in the sand
whether they they have an opportunity to
[1:35:43] come in. They may not. If they don't,
then they've had their opportunity. If
[1:35:48] they do, then we can
>> evaluate their conversation and and uh
[1:35:53] move on. Where you at?
I think that uh I you know I'm in the
[1:36:00] support of the board um I think um this
is a complex issue and so understanding
[1:36:07] where they're at because the last thing
we would want of course is to put
[1:36:12] resources and and money into repairing
the site if they've already found
[1:36:15] alternatives
and they experience managing the
[1:36:18] broadband. Uh we get we get calls if
there's disruptions of 10 minutes. So
[1:36:25] there's there's a pretty low threshold
of of um of expectations for us
[1:36:32] maintaining that network. And so uh this
is a complicated this is not something
[1:36:37] we'd ever thought, you know, and so I
think having them come in and voice and
[1:36:41] seeing where are they at. I mean,
there's probably a number of them that
[1:36:45] just, you know, there's many options or
especially with low orbiting satellite
[1:36:50] internet that didn't exist when the
tower was constructed and put in place.
[1:36:55] Um, that's just becoming more and more
of a better solution than than fixed
[1:37:00] wireless, especially given solar power.
Um, and so they might have already said,
[1:37:06] well, you know, this is I was on the
fence anyways because I needed better
[1:37:09] internet and this was the one that
kicked me over. So of those 24 core
[1:37:13] subscribers, there might be a certain
number that has already moved on and I
[1:37:17] think that is good that's good data for
us to know and and would help on
[1:37:22] decision of where we want to go.
>> And I I don't always understand this. So
[1:37:29] are they all county customers or do they
go through
[1:37:35] » Zimmeron? Does that is that an option?
>> Yeah. So um when discussing network and
[1:37:43] and then of course internet service
providers
[1:37:46] uh the network is is always us. We're
we're the one providing the connection
[1:37:51] managing of that for the network and
then however they can choose to go
[1:37:56] through real broadband as the internet
service provider or Simron majority of
[1:38:02] these customers are Simron's customers
and so um they they go through and they
[1:38:09] you know and then we we collect
wholesale on management.
[1:38:13] » So we probably need to have Simmer on as
part of that conversation as well.
[1:38:16] » Yeah, they would be invited for sure.
Yeah, I guess that's where I
[1:38:20] » was notified of the outage.
>> Yeah. So, they were they were notified
[1:38:25] immediately. Um, this being such a new
aspect, you know, we we were very honest
[1:38:32] with someone and said, "Listen, um, uh,
the tower's down. We know it experienced
[1:38:38] damage. We knew it was due to fire."
what that extent was, you know, for a
[1:38:43] while. I mean, when we got there, some
of the equipment was still on and and so
[1:38:48] it was like, well, how much damage is
there? We didn't know. And so, until we
[1:38:52] got there and it got saved and then we
got it in and we said, okay, now we
[1:38:55] going to do reach out to our partners
and figure out how much this event costs
[1:39:00] and how much needs to be redone. We've
notified them, but we've also not had
[1:39:04] many answers for them until we've had
this conversation. And of course,
[1:39:09] there's also some complexity with our
insuranceances and and FEMA response and
[1:39:16] you know, you guys been in the meat of
that. And so there's those those aspects
[1:39:20] too of it. And and so we we've really
not had a lot of information to give
[1:39:25] them because we
>> we didn't have.
[1:39:29] So, I think this conversation
leads to a much larger conversation and
[1:39:34] I'm going to try and explain what I'm
talking about is when the county decided
[1:39:40] to uh do broadband within the county, it
was a good deal because we were one of
[1:39:48] the first counties in the United States
to do it and we did a pretty good job of
[1:39:51] it. Um, but we use these radio towers
to do that. And at that time there was
[1:40:00] no other technology to do it. Had the
technology
[1:40:04] that we have today with the low orbiting
satellites been available then we would
[1:40:09] have never done it that way because it
doesn't make sense to put that much
[1:40:14] money into
a system to give somebody internet that
[1:40:21] they could get way cheaper.
the county essentially uh used grants
[1:40:28] and stuff to get internet to people in
remote areas that cost thousands of
[1:40:33] dollars and we would have never done
that had we knew known what was
[1:40:38] available today. So where I'm going with
that is because of the technology that's
[1:40:46] available today I'm not sure that it is
in our best interest to keep
[1:40:53] the rest of our towers up.
I think that we need to have a work
[1:40:59] session to discuss this with the public
and figure out what our what our uh most
[1:41:07] economical way is to get down the road.
And and and I'm not talking about I'm
[1:41:14] talking about the whole county. I don't
think that that uh
[1:41:20] it behooves the uh county to provide
services for a very few in the future
[1:41:27] that cost thousands of dollars when they
can get it for hundreds of dollars
[1:41:32] themselves.
So, I'd like to
[1:41:37] get a a work session figured out that we
can discuss this with the public and get
[1:41:44] a direction for Eric to
move on.
[1:41:50] Where's that, Eric? Where are you at
with that idea?
[1:41:53] » I would appreciate that. Um, we have a
lot of day-to-day operational decisions
[1:42:00] that I have to make for the team and and
having a pathway for board on how we we
[1:42:08] manage this and and how we inform our
subscribers uh would help in us in
[1:42:13] building in the efficiencies because I
mean technolog is moving and and demands
[1:42:20] on on internet by our subscribers is
getting more and more expansive and and
[1:42:27] you know the tough part is is um within
the the fiber it's we have a much more
[1:42:33] option array that's uh a lot easier to
deploy and and you know much better
[1:42:39] return on investment for for us in the
broadband but wireless is is a tough one
[1:42:45] and then you have this new emerging or
not new but you know that the emerging
[1:42:51] accessibility to the low orbiting
satellite network systems that didn't
[1:42:56] exist when we first deployed the X
wireless is I full support of that
[1:43:02] » and it's my understanding that the fiber
that we're using now they in the future
[1:43:08] there is nothing out there that anybody
can think of at this date that's any
[1:43:13] better. So the fiber in the future we
can't see an end to it. There might be
[1:43:19] someday but right now we can't see that.
>> Yeah. In telecommunications, fiber is
[1:43:25] king. Uh even when you're deploying a
fixed wireless system,
[1:43:31] you start with fiber because that's how
you're able to increase that trunk line
[1:43:36] and then you know uh for the foreseeable
future when you have that connection and
[1:43:42] we tried we tried a number of different
ideas to get fiber at every address in
[1:43:48] Rio Blanca County. We tried it in our
CPF grant option that was well within
[1:43:53] that grant to to make that lofty goal of
getting fiber to every address knowing
[1:43:58] that that's that's the ultimate old
standard for real WER County that we
[1:44:03] want we'd love to achieve. We again did
a a valid attempt in the bead given all
[1:44:10] the many stipulations they had to try to
expand that that our fiber network
[1:44:14] knowing that that's the ultimate um it's
not without trying and exploring many
[1:44:19] ideas have we not tried to get fiber
out. we're just in a very um challenging
[1:44:26] geographical
area that that makes those kind of
[1:44:29] things and that's also partly into why
it's wireless is so difficult because
[1:44:34] without line of sight you don't have
that
[1:44:36] » and and we just need to recognize that
Gre Blanco County has been a leader in
[1:44:41] this and we just need to keep thinking
forward. Yes, Reggie.
[1:44:46] » I was just going to mention that same
thing about going after the grants that
[1:44:48] we did to try to try and increase the
the fibers of the home footprint in both
[1:44:54] communities, both Maker and Rangely.
That doesn't mean that it, you know,
[1:44:58] another grant may present itself that
says, you know, you can, you know, it'll
[1:45:03] now be feasible for us to push that
fiber out further. Even if I chose at my
[1:45:08] house to go to um
>> Starlink,
[1:45:13] » Starlink, I always forget. I always find
I know what it is. But anyways, um if I
[1:45:18] chose to do that at my own personal
residence and then they end up running
[1:45:22] Viber or there's an opportunity that
fiber is going to come right by my house
[1:45:25] through the power line through ground,
whatever that is, it would still be
[1:45:31] better at this point for me to say, hey,
I can switch off that and then go on
[1:45:34] this. You know, it those funding
decisions come up as technology of
[1:45:39] course changes and increases, but like
he said, fiber is the gold standard. So,
[1:45:44] » well, I did just final comment, we'll
move on.
[1:45:48] » If
in this it it makes sense to me that if
[1:45:52] we don't have to spend thousands of
dollars on radios
[1:45:56] to provide one person that we would have
more money to expand our fiber,
[1:46:04] we could use the money more wisely.
Anyway, anything else? Anybody have any
[1:46:09] discussion on that? Okay. and let's move
on.
[1:46:14] Are you finished?
>> Yes, sir.
[1:46:17] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:46:19] » Thank you, Eric.
>> Let's move on to line item business J.
[1:46:28] » So, Mr. Chair, I would move approval of
a letter or ratification of a letter of
[1:46:35] support for the Northwest Colorado
Outdoors
[1:46:39] um 2025 regional partnership, we call it
RPI implementation grant application.
[1:46:47] » I will second that.
So that is um
[1:46:53] regional outdoor partnership
um is a effort I guess I would call it
[1:47:00] that the state has is pushing. They
created a regional partnership
[1:47:05] initiative
state level program very similar to the
[1:47:10] Colorado water plan and then they are in
that they have identified certain air
[1:47:17] all areas grouped them into regionals
regions and they're calling regional
[1:47:23] partnership initiatives
and
[1:47:27] this is um some people look at it as
100% recreation
[1:47:33] Um our take on it when you when they
came and presented to us um is it's
[1:47:40] about conservation, recreation,
and he said keeping agriculture on the
[1:47:47] ground. Um and I reference that because
I've als I haven't read it every word of
[1:47:53] it, but I am told that agriculture is
included in the re the statewide report
[1:47:59] 27 times. So they do think that it's a
value. Um so long story short,
[1:48:06] there was an effort started. It wasn't
have been very locally controlled. So we
[1:48:11] requested that it come back to the local
level. The county and our county and
[1:48:16] Moffett County are in the same region.
Um, so we have uh AGNC, Associated
[1:48:23] Governments of Northwest Colorado is um
the fiscal agent on that and we are in
[1:48:30] the process of getting ready to start
doing public meetings to verify what
[1:48:35] people really want to do in our area so
that we can qualify for the $50 million
[1:48:42] in Go funds that could help us do
projects in this area. So, this letter
[1:48:51] was looking at next year's funds
was quite challenging to get that right
[1:48:58] because we haven't while there's a lot
of there has been some work done that
[1:49:05] has not been guided much by locals and
then we have a number of local plans
[1:49:10] that are out there. Um but we tried to
word it so that it was fairly
[1:49:17] um
open and that we okay we think that
[1:49:22] people will support this but if they
don't we would look at these other
[1:49:26] options too. So, this was just a letter
um that we wrote in support of that
[1:49:33] effort to try to get money for next year
and it made it through the first round
[1:49:40] and now we're being asked to come and do
a presentation the end of September. So,
[1:49:46] long story for short line. Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:49:53] You want to do roll call, please? Hi.
Hi.
[1:49:59] Okay, let's move on to line item
business K.
[1:50:04] » I move the ratification of a letter for
public public comments to the Colorado
[1:50:09] Energy Office regarding the evolution um
evaluation and assessment of local
[1:50:15] government processes for the sighting of
commercial clean energy and energy
[1:50:20] transmission project
projects draft report.
[1:50:26] And Reese did this.
>> Second.
[1:50:31] » Well, I want to second that motion.
[1:50:36] » So, do you want to
>> One of you guys needs to talk about this
[1:50:40] because I'm
>> so um
[1:50:45] it's basically for us it's solar energy,
but they're also looking at windmills
[1:50:51] and so forth. Um, one of the things I'm
trying to think of a conversation that I
[1:50:57] had with the Delta County Commissioner.
Um,
[1:51:02] one of the com I think one of the
specific comments that Reese made in
[1:51:05] there was in regards to the cumulative
impacts
[1:51:10] of these. So that if there's one, you
know, if there's one that's a 100 acres
[1:51:14] or one that's 500 acres is one thing,
but by the time you add 10 of those,
[1:51:19] that's a very strong cumulative impact,
which of course oil and gas has to deal
[1:51:24] with um and address. And so we want to
make sure that that's addressed and we
[1:51:29] want to make sure that local control is
still in control is the big message.
[1:51:36] And yes, Reese wrote the letter for us
and submitted that in conversations with
[1:51:42] the Delta County Commissioner that's
very involved in this and CCI.
[1:51:46] » So, just to give you an overview, we are
not in support of that. I'm going to
[1:51:51] read you a one thing that Reese put in
this letter. It says this report is
[1:51:57] being utilized in conjunction with the
state of Colorado's energy goals and it
[1:52:02] is placing a burden of the delivery on
the rural communities like Rio Blanco
[1:52:07] County without giving the local
governments the authority to manage
[1:52:11] resources appropriately. So, it's stuff
that is being pushed down to us and
[1:52:15] we're we're trying to push back a little
bit.
[1:52:21] » Anything else?
Okay.
[1:52:25] Would you roll? I
[1:52:32] » um
let's move on to line item business. I
[1:52:37] or L.
[1:52:40] » Okay. So, I'll make the motion to
approve. We're going to hear about it.
[1:52:47] Um the bid award and contract for the
2025 Rio Blanco County pavement marking
[1:52:53] project to Branson Traffic Control Inc.
Doing business is Branson Road Works.
[1:53:00] » I'll second that for the purpose of
discussion.
[1:53:03] » You want me to talk about it a little?
>> Please. uh very low bid
[1:53:09] this year, but I my due diligence they
appear to be a very reputable company
[1:53:15] and they're out of Durango. They're a
long ways away,
[1:53:19] » but uh they were hungry. They just lost
a big job.
[1:53:26] uh and uh in lie of uh laying off their
people, they're trying to do whatever
[1:53:34] they can to keep their people working.
But anyway, it uh we saved at least
[1:53:42] $40,000
on this on this bid. So it uh
[1:53:48] » What's your amount?
>> Yeah. What's the amount?
[1:53:52] » 107.
>> How many biders did you have?
[1:53:55] » Three.
What was the high one?
[1:53:59] » 159 believe it was
[1:54:05] » and you did your due diligence on the
company.
[1:54:09] Good.
>> Yeah, they appear to be very good
[1:54:12] people.
>> Good
[1:54:17] question.
>> Okay. And so we're paving where? Or not
[1:54:21] paving but striking. Uh well can't
remember all the roads but I was going
[1:54:27] to do all of county road 8 but we're
going to have to skip about four five
[1:54:31] miles probably in there that where we've
got flooding issues.
[1:54:35] » No sense
>> driving it and having to then scrape it
[1:54:39] off. Uh
uh
[1:54:44] and road 4
and the landill road are all the new uh
[1:54:51] tipsal projects this year.
>> And then I was going to do uh 15
[1:54:59] uh 10 up the river
[1:55:04] 7
7 6 and 39.
[1:55:09] Much of 10 is paved.
>> Uh it's about a little over two miles, I
[1:55:14] think.
>> Yeah. Most of that is dirt.
[1:55:18] » Yeah. From uh road 8 over to
>> Yeah.
[1:55:22] » 17 is paved and then where it goes on
up.
[1:55:28] » Okay.
[1:55:33] » Thank you. Good job.
>> Glad you got them. Would you please call
[1:55:38] the RO?
[1:55:42] » Good.
>> Let's move on. Business line item M.
[1:55:48] » Come on up.
[1:55:54] » Okay. Uh we just got these. So I'd like
to show you guys these. This is
[1:56:01] um brought in um 826.
This is a just one of the examples of
[1:56:08] why we would like to see a magnet out at
the landfill that hooks to the
[1:56:14] track. This is a bunch of I beams and
metal that was brought in on a roll out.
[1:56:21] Do the guys have to get out and manually
and get a hold of this stuff and get it
[1:56:27] moved over
or to the basin
[1:56:32] fan over there where the magnet we can
keep people out of there. They just go
[1:56:37] over there, hook on to it,
energize the magnet, and then uh
[1:56:44] get it over to the recycle stuff and
it's got little claws. Um right now
[1:56:49] we're we're in the process of u
processing quite a bit of the concrete
[1:56:54] that's been brought to us from Chevron
>> um over it down and we just last week we
[1:57:00] worked a half a day and tore the
magnetic belt again because some of the
[1:57:05] rebars get through um that magnetic part
of the shredder was supposed to it does
[1:57:12] help but it doesn't get
um and then we like to use it to build
[1:57:18] roads out there. Um, for the winter for
the budence,
[1:57:24] uh, you end up with chunks of rebar and
I've got them on my phone. Sorry, we
[1:57:30] just I just got the pictures yesterday.
Little chunks of rebar that'll get
[1:57:34] through there and that's hard on the
tires or the uh rolloffs stuff to go
[1:57:39] into the landfill. But it's a we can get
we've got the concrete up there. We're
[1:57:44] processing it. We've got all the
equipment to process it. This would just
[1:57:47] take one more step to clean it up and
then it goes into the recycle bin which
[1:57:51] uh we get paid for that to haul off
>> and then I we can get a lot more of
[1:57:56] these I beams stuff like that out of
there and a lot safer. That's the big
[1:58:00] thing is the safety for the for the
employees out there
[1:58:05] is a is a big part of is it's a quick
connect for the track home. Um, when I
[1:58:11] worked with CAT to talk and make sure
that this one was compatible. They have
[1:58:15] a head that goes right on it. Quick
connect with just two hydraulic hoses to
[1:58:20] connect to it. So, it's much safer. They
that could be done on the pad, not down
[1:58:25] in the itself.
>> So, would you turn the uh one on the the
[1:58:32] shredder recycler off, not use it? Um, I
think I would hate to turn it off
[1:58:39] completely, but we would probably go
ahead and leave it on and pull what we
[1:58:44] can off of it and then and then um but
my hopes would be that we could get more
[1:58:50] of it out of there before it even gets
to the shred.
[1:58:53] » So, what's the issue with the tearing
the belt? And I thought this was
[1:58:56] supposed to help
though you wouldn't tear the belt. So,
[1:59:00] if you're going to continue using it,
you're going to continue tearing the
[1:59:03] belt. Uh, well, the the hopes is we we
get it out of there before it even gets
[1:59:08] to the shrimp
is what I'm hoping is we can we can sort
[1:59:13] it a lot better before it even gets into
the shredder. So, we're not putting the
[1:59:16] rebar the pieces with the rebar into the
shredder as fast.
[1:59:25] And then once we do, we can sip through
it because the um the magnet has claws
[1:59:31] on it that we literally drag through and
sift through it with the magnet on and
[1:59:36] it pulls out.
>> And I would I could make a couple of
[1:59:41] comments on it. Um one thing, by
removing the big pieces of metal, of
[1:59:45] course, um you're going to save the
solid waste landfill that spacing. So
[1:59:50] number one, you're pulling it out of
there to preserve your landfill. Then
[1:59:53] number two, it can go in the bin and
then we actually receive revenue for
[1:59:58] that those big purchases. The third part
to keep in mind is this is an enterprise
[2:00:02] fund. Um it is an enterprise fund that
um so this purchase would not affect any
[2:00:08] other portion of your budget or your
balance sheet. It is solely within
[2:00:13] enterprise.
Um, as we have more metal and things
[2:00:19] that will be coming in from the fires,
only anticipate that this would help
[2:00:26] sort that to keep the landfill from
filling up in the wrong places.
[2:00:31] And this I I was going to use the the
funds that were already budgeted for
[2:00:35] 2025,
do the concrete for the uh gin shed,
[2:00:40] some stuff like that that we're going to
look at redoing the scale houses next
[2:00:43] year anyway. So that we do have a budget
item that we this
[2:00:52] have any questions?
>> No, I just don't see it on my it's not
[2:00:56] coming up. So how much are we talking?
Um, I have the quote here. U, it was the
[2:01:02] quote is $58,930.
Um, and then there is a side note at the
[2:01:08] bottom that you're going to have some
hoses and some adapters. U anticipated,
[2:01:14] so just right around the 61,000.
[2:01:22] » Okay.
>> And that is in stock, so it's a fairly
[2:01:25] quick turn around. Okay. and they come
and install it kind of deal or it's just
[2:01:31] a piece of
>> hook right up to our current meter
[2:01:37] with some hose just some hydraulic
that's how it was controlled it off.
[2:01:44] » Excuse me.
>> Okay, Mr. Chair, I would move um
[2:01:49] approving the purchase
um to purchase a magnet for the
[2:01:54] excavator at Solid Waste Landfill.
>> I'll second.
[2:02:03] » I
[2:02:07] thank you.
>> Thank you, sir.
[2:02:11] » Okay, we're down to resolutions. We have
none. public hearings. We have none.
[2:02:16] Let's go to
[2:02:20] update on the current disaster fire
situation. Who's going to do that?
[2:02:27] » I guess
[2:02:32] and Cali I, you know, will the water.
>> So, just to kind of give everyone an
[2:02:37] idea because I have no idea how many
meetings we've had. Um, August is a
[2:02:42] blur. September's coming in to be a
blur. Um but
[2:02:47] the we've had the state team here um
Colorado department
[2:02:53] public DHSM and I get
>> public safety
[2:02:58] » public safety and emergency management
here off and on. Uh
[2:03:03] the state is helping us to move through
getting a possible FEMA public
[2:03:08] assistance declaration, but that isn't
for the homes or individual owners.
[2:03:14] Wouldn't affect a necessarily
um what that would be is for
[2:03:21] public infrastructure, utility
companies, county roads, bridges, the
[2:03:26] old Maker Landville. Um there's just
there's a lot of damage that has been
[2:03:33] done because of both fires and then the
floods that came in the rapid flooding
[2:03:40] that we had right after that. The um so
you know they're helping us to move that
[2:03:44] through that. The actual event closed as
of I heard two different dates. Danielle
[2:03:50] um who I had I'm sorry I had to pop out
of the meeting a couple of times to meet
[2:03:54] with those folks. um said it ended
August 30th, although uh Jim had told us
[2:04:00] that it was August 28th,
I think, something like that.
[2:04:05] » Whatever they qualify that closing date
of the fire. So when the Lee fire was
[2:04:10] officially closed,
that is what we're looking at for a FEMA
[2:04:15] declaration. So any resulting floods
after that fact may or may not be
[2:04:20] covered, probably not. Um, but that
flooding that was in that time period up
[2:04:25] to the fires will possibly be included.
We're challenging trying to get the two
[2:04:30] fires linked. Right now they're two
separate fires. That will be critical to
[2:04:34] try and get that infrastructure, you
know, combined as one incident. Um,
[2:04:39] right now they are two separate
incidences. Both two separate incidents
[2:04:43] have fire and they have flood. So
working through all that has been
[2:04:47] critical. Um
>> and excuse me, but the advantage to
[2:04:51] getting them combined is so that we get
our numbers up to qualify.
[2:04:56] » Yes,
>> thank you.
[2:04:58] » Um yes, that's a critical part to it. Um
we did an infrastructure tour yesterday
[2:05:04] and with and divided up into two teams
because we have significant issues on
[2:05:09] both sides of the fence. One is
infrastructure, one is how your group is
[2:05:14] water
>> waterhed and natural resources. wershed
[2:05:17] natur
>> um and I can speak to the infrastructure
[2:05:21] tour uh we were very um I don't want to
say it was good news um but the
[2:05:27] infrastructure damage is significantly
more than what the HSCM was anticipating
[2:05:34] and they said typically they go out on
an event and people are saying oh it's
[2:05:37] really bad it's really bad it's really
bad and they get into it and they say
[2:05:40] it's really not that bad um you know
this doesn't look like it would qualify
[2:05:43] this doesn't look like it would qualify
we started did the tour out up um by
[2:05:48] Lake Avery and then came down went out
13 33 builds out a old landfill and then
[2:05:56] down five then came back into town and
of the sites that they were looking at
[2:06:01] um the overall consensus of the their
entire team was this is a lot more than
[2:06:05] what they were anticipating they were
which is that a good thing no because I
[2:06:10] would rather us not need a dime of FEMA
assistance. Um but right now it that's
[2:06:14] what we're we're trying to go for. Um
that application process has to be is a
[2:06:20] quick turnaround and so I've not focused
at all on the budget on letters on doing
[2:06:26] anything but trying and I'll be working
with Antina and Thad
[2:06:31] as well as Callie's team to try and get
things documented to make our case as
[2:06:36] presentable. The process will be we'll
submit our application. The state will
[2:06:41] then take that. They have till September
30th, 28th to 30th to submit that to the
[2:06:46] governor's desk. The governor then will
have to choose whether to submit it or
[2:06:50] not to the president. Um upon submitting
it to the president, then the president
[2:06:55] can have any length of time to approve
whether they want to go through FEM or
[2:06:58] not. So now is a critical time period
for us to make sure that we put the most
[2:07:03] pressing issues and case of why we need
this assistance to the to the governor
[2:07:10] and ultimately for him to be able to
forward to the president.
[2:07:14] So it's been fast and furious and
constant moving. I thought it would be
[2:07:17] done when the fires were over. That is
not the case. I have put in just as many
[2:07:21] hours since August 30.
Um so it is definitely getting a little
[2:07:26] wearing.
Yeah. So anyhow, that's where we're at
[2:07:30] with that. At least my side. So all
different accounting for their structure
[2:07:34] or their work.
>> So on the um natural resources and
[2:07:39] watershed side of things. Um
so the the ranchers and so forth that
[2:07:45] way. Well, let's see. Go back up. So
there are two surveys that are out that
[2:07:48] I want to encourage anybody and
everybody to fill out. If you have any
[2:07:51] kind of business, need to fill out the
economic survey. Um, and both of them
[2:07:57] are on the county's website. The other
one is the agriculture survey because it
[2:08:02] covers things that other business don't
have like cows and fences. Um, and we
[2:08:08] need to get those completed and there's
just not that many people that are
[2:08:12] filling those out. But in order to know
what kind of assistance we need from the
[2:08:17] outside whether it's from for
individuals or for the whole, we have to
[2:08:24] know what they need. Um so um we need
those filled out then from and so the
[2:08:32] the economic development side we've
asked Caitlyn
[2:08:37] um Cook thank you and Carly
>> Thompson thank you um from the town to
[2:08:47] help us um with that side of it since
that's really not a huge expertise that
[2:08:52] I have anyway um and
they're doing a good job. And then um
[2:08:59] they're going to be um they are reaching
out to Sasha and others as needed to to
[2:09:06] move forward with that. On the A side of
it, um the conservation district and Ree
[2:09:13] are really leading that effort. Um
working with NRCS and FSA. So, long
[2:09:19] story short, if agriculture producers
have been impacted, they need to reach
[2:09:24] out to FSA, ASAP.
Get all my acronyms in order,
[2:09:29] » farm service agency, as soon as
possible.
[2:09:33] Um, and then, um, because those are
going to be individual basis. Um,
[2:09:40] then the tour wise and watershed wise,
um, water quality is a big concern. Um,
[2:09:49] and of course what it will do to the
river. So ex one example is down river
[2:09:53] where that's come across and went into
the river. There's a pretty big fan
[2:09:58] that's come out there which is going to
drive that river right straight at the
[2:10:01] bank. And I'm wondering about that
bridge that it comes into and it's going
[2:10:05] to drive it right to the bridge. So
that's infrastructure issues, water
[2:10:09] quality issues. Definitely the reservoir
and Rangely are already seeing those
[2:10:14] impacts. I'm told that even the town of
Rangley's um water treatment facility
[2:10:20] just smells like you just dumped water
on a campfire. It and they're
[2:10:24] struggling. And um so that group that
was there, we also had
[2:10:32] CDPHE, Colorado Department of Public
Health and Environment was one of the
[2:10:36] guys that was on that tour to get them
engaged and help Rangely because Rangely
[2:10:41] going to have to have some potential
assistance there. So there will be that
[2:10:46] piece, but not only the reservoir um the
Kenny reservoir, but then there's the
[2:10:51] issue with the um
>> Lake Avery and so and I don't know CPW
[2:10:59] staff that was with us really didn't
know the answer there
[2:11:04] because that's going to shed a lot of
that debris off into that reservoir.
[2:11:10] Um, so are they going to close it off
and try to hold it and then some of the
[2:11:17] state guys talking about potentially
trying to dredge some of that out or do
[2:11:22] they leave it open and let it go but
it'll go to the river directly. So
[2:11:28] there's pros and cons both ways.
Probably the biggest thing is with the
[2:11:33] EWP money from NRCS that we were just
talking about and they will work with
[2:11:39] the state as well is doing a lot of
catch ponds and stuff in each one of
[2:11:44] those drainages particularly above Lake
Avery. That looked like a good
[2:11:48] possibility there. I don't know how you
build catch ponds in the White River to
[2:11:53] keep it from going to the um to the one
down there. So anyway, water quality
[2:11:58] » trailer
>> at trailer draw. There you go. Um, but
[2:12:02] but I think that there is potential for
doing some of that kind of stuff in in
[2:12:06] Pian Creek and stuff and just trying to
keep it from getting down Pants Creek
[2:12:11] that goes down yonder. So,
>> and the ditches
[2:12:14] » and the ditches. Oh my gosh, those guys
that have been hit time and time again
[2:12:18] because we did see multiple homes or
outfits, I guess I would say. One home
[2:12:23] that was darn close to um actually right
up against it but didn't hurt it, I
[2:12:28] don't think.
um but coming out of those draws and
[2:12:34] filled up trails, filled up barns, um
ditches, fields and so forth that way.
[2:12:39] So there's a lot of and the worst
problem is it's just you clean it up
[2:12:44] this time and it's going to be there
again. Um so that's the conversation to
[2:12:48] be had. Just one more point on that. Um
so I reached out one of the things that
[2:12:52] our say DHSN said we got to find out if
there's any historical
[2:12:57] um things that have been destroyed.
That's a whole another piece to this um
[2:13:02] you know is that aspect of were there um
you know old schools that were damaged
[2:13:08] or anything. And so I reached out to
Teresa Reed Ruckman and bless her heart
[2:13:12] she jumped right on it and initially got
me and I will be submitting that. I
[2:13:17] talked to Jim uh from the the Rigus the
HT or the Herald Times published an
[2:13:23] article back in 2023 about the the big
where they branded the hill, you know,
[2:13:30] the RH the giant that we've all driven
by a million times.
[2:13:34] » It was not on the historical register,
but since it was actually created
[2:13:39] um in when was it? It was I'll have to
look back in the article and see when
[2:13:45] that was done. It was long long time
ago.
[2:13:48] » Yeah. I mean, it actually would qualify
had we registered it. Um, however, that
[2:13:53] doesn't mean they won't get necessarily
get funding for it, but it does draw the
[2:13:57] attention and to make the case that we
had significant resources that were
[2:14:00] damaged in this fire. Um, so that is a a
critical piece. the um the house that
[2:14:07] was destroyed um on you know the um the
ball house I think is what what they
[2:14:15] actually called it that was actually
slated to get registered on the
[2:14:18] historical registry.
>> Oh really?
[2:14:20] » The reason why is the house and the
barns were the barns were for sure
[2:14:26] constructed in the early 1900s and would
have qualified for that. um and the
[2:14:32] house they weren't quite sure on but the
actual that whole homestead was a
[2:14:35] homestead original homestead. So um you
know those are records that we will
[2:14:40] include in our story and that was the
thing that DHSM said some of this will
[2:14:44] or will not qualify to help us push us
into that FEMA decoration but it dang
[2:14:49] sure is something a story that we need
to tell and preserve for history. Um so
[2:14:54] anyhow it's just there is any thread
that you can think that you pull on
[2:14:58] there's more to it. So, you know, it's
just those two pieces. I thought Terry
[2:15:02] will be putting together something as
far as the economic impacts of the
[2:15:06] museum has suffered. Um, and then she's
continuing to try and find little niches
[2:15:11] that says, you know, could there have
been a wiki up somewhere? Could the, you
[2:15:15] know, what have we truly lost in these
fires?
[2:15:22] » And that's it.
>> Good. Okay.
[2:15:27] So, let's go to road bridge update.
[2:15:35] » Uh, first of all, I'd like to make a
motion for have a motion request for
[2:15:41] some adding legislation.
[Laughter]
[2:15:46] » Don't blame you.
[2:15:51] » Either that or not to have to sit there
so long. Right.
[2:15:55] of all the meetings I've been to, this
is one of the longest it was. So, u
[2:16:02] rangely
this past month's haul been hauling a
[2:16:06] lot of gravel pit run on I go through
all of the roads if you would like. We
[2:16:12] did some spot graveling on 116 and 73
and uh they were doing quite a bit of
[2:16:20] work on 116 kind of reshaping the the
road a little in places some of the big
[2:16:26] curbial corners. Uh they did cover
cleaning and cattle guard cleaning on
[2:16:34] 109.
Uh hauling reject material on 25
[2:16:41] reshaping the road and filling in wash
outs and that kind of thing. a lot of
[2:16:47] grading uh border graders uh 116 27 73
109 89 99
[2:16:57] uh they've been doing a lot of gravel
pit work in the redwash
[2:17:03] grizzly 4 in material there
and uh they had some flood
[2:17:12] uh clean up on 102
And we actually early in the month we
[2:17:20] send some guys down
uh and
[2:17:25] trucks to help them haul ground
and anyway that's they've been busy and
[2:17:32] for Maker
uh primarily firefighting uh we and
[2:17:41] all the
I don't know how
[2:17:46] weeks it was but recently then they've
been cleaning up uh flood and debris and
[2:17:53] yesterday finally kind of got done with
the their cleanup on five. So the next
[2:18:02] rain uh we could be right back down
there. Like you say, this is this is
[2:18:07] going to be uh all through next year at
least. I think for
[2:18:11] » they say a minimum of minimum of three
years is what they were telling us
[2:18:15] yesterday.
>> Yeah. They they may get a little bit of
[2:18:18] growth next year, but it's not going to
>> not going to save us much for Yeah. So
[2:18:24] that's going to be an ongoing problem
for us for road bridge guys. Uh we did
[2:18:33] have to replace a a culbert that
actually barked clear through a plastic
[2:18:39] co well HDP
>> on county road 5. And um
[2:18:46] and then tomorrow we're going to get
some asphalt in there and patch that.
[2:18:55] and a couple other spots that mark you
some patching.
[2:18:58] » Was there just one of those
>> that burnt like that?
[2:19:01] » Yes.
>> Or that melted or whatever.
[2:19:02] » Only one that that melted all the way
through, but there was another one that
[2:19:06] just melted on the end. So, we're
>> um we're going to be able to splice up.
[2:19:12] » Okay.
>> And uh I've had uh I had the uh chips
[2:19:20] project. We got started up on eight and
then the fire came along and they it
[2:19:26] took me 10 days to just get permission
for them to go ahead and get their
[2:19:30] equipment out.
>> Uh so anyway, they're supposed to be
[2:19:33] they were supposed to be back today.
>> Okay.
[2:19:36] » But maybe tomorrow hopefully. I had her
trouble.
[2:19:41] Uh so we got to finish eight uh uh box
seal and then we'll come down and do the
[2:19:50] Mesa road four and the landfill hook. Um
[2:19:59] I hope soon as they get here we can get
that done in a week or thereabouts.
[2:20:05] And I got uh the striping obviously that
you approved. Um
[2:20:13] I don't know what
we may try to start the the week of the
[2:20:19] 22nd. I'm trying to push them back just
a little bit so we have plenty of time
[2:20:25] get everything done
chip seal and pod coat and then wait a
[2:20:32] few days. left the pod.
Sure.
[2:20:37] And then uh I also got uh they should be
they fired up their
[2:20:45] crushing equipment up at Sleepycat
yesterday.
[2:20:50] You should be making gravel there
right away. And gonna try to get
[2:20:58] hauling hauling a lot of it out as we
make it so that we because we don't have
[2:21:05] much room to pile it through. So if we
can haul it out and use and they they
[2:21:10] need to do a lot of work up on 17
>> because
[2:21:20] yes
[2:21:24] you you have questions. If not I'll be
done. I would just like to say real
[2:21:30] quick, um, you know, the road and bridge
crew, the entire crew, including Solid
[2:21:35] Waste Landfill, Bobby was out there
through the whole time and and they just
[2:21:40] have worked extremely extremely hard. I
think I know everybody has in that that
[2:21:46] respect, but the work and the things,
you know, just trying we still have
[2:21:50] roads that we still have to uncover and
get to, and that was something that we
[2:21:53] saw on the tour. There are roads that we
cannot yet do.
[2:21:56] » We've got three roads that are still
closed. 22 76 and 127
[2:22:02] they're have totally impassive
>> and it's not just like one thing I mean
[2:22:07] it's not like okay there's just a little
section of road I mean it is just
[2:22:11] sections of road at a time and you know
danger of falling trees and so it's just
[2:22:18] you know to have to crystal was another
one that has been out and just making
[2:22:22] maps gising um
>> what is it called she was putting them
[2:22:26] on each little thing that had damage.
She was mapping and saying, "Okay,
[2:22:30] here's
>> way marks." And she's Yeah. She's
[2:22:32] mapping out all of the onyx.
>> Onyx is what
[2:22:36] » signing that was burned up. Just And
then we have to do warning signs, but
[2:22:41] then if you're in a blood visit, could
be a flash blood area. You've got to be
[2:22:44] aware. Um
>> if you're in Rio Blanco County, you
[2:22:48] could be in a flooded area.
>> If you look across in Rio Blanco.
[2:22:52] » Yep. So anyways, I just wanted to give a
shout out especially like I said Crystal
[2:22:56] and all those guys have just been
working extremely extremely hard.
[2:23:01] » They did a good job. They did a great
job
[2:23:03] » and they're going to keep doing a good
job and it ain't over yet.
[2:23:08] » Thank you guys. Appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
[2:23:15] » Good. So let's move on to uh
county attorney is not here.
[2:23:22] and the county administrator.
>> Uh so just my only update for you is in
[2:23:27] between fire stuff, recovery stuff. Um
I've done some work on the budget. We
[2:23:34] continue to have some budget scrubs.
We're making headway on shortages. Um
[2:23:40] you know, we are by no means done with
with there's been no decision. I want to
[2:23:45] make sure everyone knows there has no
been no decision on personnel benefits.
[2:23:49] that's still in the conversation phase
and
[2:23:55] the cuts that we've done so far to
budgets and people have said that it's
[2:24:01] been one of those things even including
the commissioner's budget. It's where
[2:24:04] can we cut it's going to hurt. I
understand that. Let's figure out where
[2:24:08] we can to try and
preserve what we can preserve. And so by
[2:24:15] no means are the conversations finished.
they're just now starting that this
[2:24:19] would have had August gone the way that
I would have liked it to have gone, we
[2:24:23] would have those conversations in
August. That didn't happen. God had a
[2:24:27] different plan for us. Um but as we
continued, we've done the majority of
[2:24:34] first round scrubs. Kelly and I have
three more to do on Thursday. Um no one
[2:24:39] has left the budget scrubs happy. Um,
I'm going to say they've all seen the
[2:24:45] potential and said, "Okay, if I give up
this, does that help for the greater
[2:24:49] good? Can we get to hear from there?"
So, we'll continue to do that. And um,
[2:24:56] you know, so in between doing that,
that's where I'm at on that. I have not
[2:25:00] had a chance to work on anything else. I
understand we have some uh constituents
[2:25:05] uh regarding Coline Park trying to
schedule a uh meeting um for them to
[2:25:11] voice their concerns. I had not had that
done. Gosh,
[2:25:16] I had a situation where Mark had asked
me about a public road uh situation that
[2:25:21] he had. Um, and I'm just I'm begging
that just give me a few more weeks
[2:25:28] because this is the critical nature of
this beast is I've got skin that's gap
[2:25:32] by uh September 25th. So everything else
is kind of back burnered until I can get
[2:25:39] to that point and then we'll move
forward with the rest of budget and all
[2:25:42] that fun stuff.
>> Good. Thank you.
[2:25:47] any administrator or I mean uh county
any commissioner updates.
[2:25:54] » Um first of all just thank you Vicki
because I know how much time, energy and
[2:26:00] lack of sleep you are dealing with. So
thank you.
[2:26:06] Are we not working?
>> Oh it's still going. I was just
[2:26:09] sleeping. I just want to know where you
guys are so I can go back into transpose
[2:26:12] later.
>> Oh, you're all good. Yeah.
[2:26:16] » Um, let's see. So, it seems like it's
been forever since we've had a regular
[2:26:22] commissioner meeting. So, I don't I just
went back through my calendar really
[2:26:25] quick. Um, this fire recovery and the
tour, we kind of covered that. I think
[2:26:31] since the last meeting, I've met with
Hickinlooper and Bennett, senators,
[2:26:37] um, primarily to ask for support to do
joining these fires. But we've now
[2:26:42] learned that that's done at the state
level instead of at the federal level.
[2:26:46] So we do need to, as you had said, reach
out to our state senator and
[2:26:52] representative
um to see if they can help us there. Um
[2:26:58] went to a CCI meeting. Um the tour was
in regards to solar. Um was good. Delta
[2:27:05] County has a really cool solar project
there. if you want to if they can be
[2:27:10] cool. I think that one is it's on
irrigated egg and they are they have
[2:27:15] seated it and they're sprinkling most of
it and it's growing pretty good feed for
[2:27:20] sheep um underneath it. But the one
thing that he they suggested that we
[2:27:25] keep in mind should we ever have one
that in your list of things that you're
[2:27:30] requiring is that they're
um when that equipment comes in
[2:27:38] that it's point of sale.
So you get the taxes on when those are
[2:27:45] delivered. I know we may have a
different way of doing it, but that was
[2:27:48] Delta said that was critical because
they missed that step. And so those
[2:27:52] millions and millions and millions of
dollars that were delivered to
[2:27:55] California, they got nothing on it.
>> We're covered there because we haven't
[2:28:01] used
>> use tax piece. But um and then um let's
[2:28:05] see, there was a second thing that he
mentioned.
[2:28:09] Oh, I can't remember. So I did make a
note of it. So if we ever go down that
[2:28:13] road, hopefully I can find it. Um, I've
met with Carrie Brennan is going to be
[2:28:19] our facilitator for the regional
partnership initiative. I The plan is we
[2:28:25] will have a meeting, a public meeting
before the end of this month. I don't
[2:28:29] know the exact date, but we will have
our first meeting and get that rolling
[2:28:33] before the end of the month.
Um,
[2:28:38] we've had a number of news folks
interested in the county. Um Reese is
[2:28:45] covering a lot of that. Um which has
been and I thought he's done a nice job.
[2:28:49] I did he and I did the seven news um one
I think it was not nine.
[2:28:57] » And um then the other thing more recent
went to club 20 last week Friday and
[2:29:03] Saturday. Um I think was one of the
better meetings they've had in a while.
[2:29:09] Um Barb um Kirk Meyer uh who is a joint
budget committee member at the state
[2:29:16] level out of Weld County um has
announced this week that she's going to
[2:29:22] run for governor and we heard her speak
on budget stuff and um she's pretty much
[2:29:28] a nononsense
get her done but a very ambitious lady
[2:29:32] and so I'm looking forward to learning
more about her. um comes from a dairy
[2:29:37] farm, has owned a flower shop, has been
a county commissioner, has now been a
[2:29:43] senator, but also on the joint budget
committee. I think she's got a good set
[2:29:48] of credentials behind her. So, I'm
pretty excited about her. Wasn't so
[2:29:52] excited about the attorney general's
presentation.
[2:29:55] Um and then we also heard from the
common sense institute. Has anybody I
[2:30:01] was not aware of them. I will be sending
out um they have done the research on
[2:30:06] what the WOF program has actually cost
Colorado and so that's but they're
[2:30:12] they're digging into that kind of stuff
and oil and gas and all the Oh, and by
[2:30:17] the way, I've been asking the question,
how many staff FTEEs have been added in
[2:30:24] this to our state government since this
governor took office?
[2:30:31] » 7,000 Yeah.
>> Now that includes the colleges, but
[2:30:35] that's 7,000 people. And we wonder why
the state is broke.
[2:30:41] » Yeah. Didn't they use the mandatory
layoffs just recently?
[2:30:45] » Had a hiring freeze.
>> Had a hiring freezes and they didn't do
[2:30:48] that until after the general session or
the special session.
[2:30:53] » Um the other thing, um BLM did a
presentation at lunch was the keynote
[2:31:00] speaker. um was um
I will think of her name because she
[2:31:07] wrote our land use plan. She wrote it
for Karen. No, it wasn't Karen. It was
[2:31:12] the one that actually wrote it and then
Karen reviewed it for us.
[2:31:16] » I am really disgusted that I forgot her
name. Had a really good conversation
[2:31:20] with her. Her she is working is the
senior policy advisor to the BLM
[2:31:28] director. So, she's doing some really
cool stuff right now on um all the
[2:31:34] different things that basically support
our land use plan. So, some really good
[2:31:40] stuff there. So, that I'll quit with
that.
[2:31:46] » Okay. I went to a AGNC
meeting in Rifle. It was a economic
[2:31:51] summit
>> and it was it was uh
[2:31:57] eye opening. They they talked about
workforce development and generational
[2:32:01] strategy and they're they're uh talked
about the the youth today not uh there's
[2:32:08] not as much
uh demand for four-year degrees. You get
[2:32:13] a four-year degree and then you never
use it. There's a So, they suggested
[2:32:17] that a lot of kids go out and figure out
what they want to do and and get a
[2:32:20] career before they spend the money and
time on a four-year degree.
[2:32:25] Um,
what else did they talk about?
[2:32:30] Networking, collaboration,
[2:32:34] economics in in this end of the county
or this end of the state are not doing
[2:32:40] real well. All the counties are are
hurting.
[2:32:44] A lot of that's due to our our governor
and what he's doing to us with our oil
[2:32:50] and gas.
And then uh
[2:32:55] I met with the land owner to discuss the
rightaway stuff for County Road 77
[2:33:01] bridge. Kind of trying to get that
smoothed out. Uh we had a fire
[2:33:06] cooperators meeting. We're trying to get
all the meetings tied up with a lot of
[2:33:10] this fire stuff. Met with the sheriff's
office, the road bridge fleet weedenfest
[2:33:17] on budget scrubs.
um more fire recovery meetings.
[2:33:26] I met with an shoots to uh for their
planning and progress on the county road
[2:33:32] 77 bridge. We're going to eventually get
that done.
[2:33:37] Um meant to approve a second Oh,
we did a a meeting yesterday from the
[2:33:45] second house on a parcel of land.
uh spent uh time working on the budget
[2:33:51] and trying to figure out where we're
going to get money for benefits and
[2:33:56] wages.
That's all I've done.
[2:34:02] » I might just at the CCI meeting I was
at, they went around the table and had
[2:34:07] kind of a round table of all the
counties and every county of course
[2:34:12] budget was top of their priority. Um, I
would say the majority of them have done
[2:34:18] hiring freezes. Mesa County is doing
they they had some creative language for
[2:34:24] it, but basically they did volunteer
retirement upfront and then their second
[2:34:30] round was a little more encouraging than
just volunteer.
[2:34:34] I don't remember what they called it. It
was kind of interesting, but everybody
[2:34:38] is having the same issue.
[2:34:43] Yeah, I've talked to some other comm
benefits and and wages as we are. It's
[2:34:48] uh
and and uh the the horrible part about
[2:34:52] that is it doesn't look better next
year.
[2:34:56] Um,