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Recording in progress.

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» Do that again.

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Also order the regular meeting of the
Rioell City Council. Roll call, please.

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» Mayor Gar
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» Mayor Pro Carter
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» Council member Woodall
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» Council member or
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» Council member Wilson
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» Please stand for the pledge of
allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible and justice for

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all.
Public presentations.

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This is the time for persons who wish to
address the council on any matter not on

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this agenda and over which the council
has jurisdiction. As such, a dialogue

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with the council or staff is not allowed
under the Ralph Brown Act. Items

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requiring council actions not listed on
this agenda may be placed on the next

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regular agenda for consideration if the
council directs unless a finding is made

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by at least twothirds of the council
that the item came up after the agenda

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was posted and is of an urgency nature
requiring immediate action. Please limit

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comments to a maximum of three minutes.
>> Welcome. Anyone? Any

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got no pages. I wonder

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else. Okay. Well, then we will close
public presentations and move on to the

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consent calendar. Is there a council
member who would like to remove an item

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from the consent calendar?
>> I don't think so.

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» No. No.
>> No. Let me let me look one.

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» Okay. I know. I looked at it.

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Okay.
>> Then um no one member from the public

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emails. I ask for a motion to approve
the consent calendar.

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» I move to approve the consent calendar.
>> We have a motion. Is there a second?

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» A second.
>> Have a motion and a second. Motion

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carries. 4 Z.
We will move on to manager of staff

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communications and report city manager
page 39 in our packets.

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Uh thank you mayor Garn, members of the
council. So um staff has submitted the

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uh opportunity zone 2.0
a submission which was due yesterday for

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um the current opportunity zone program
which would potentially if this census

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tracked area would be designated could
provide additional incentives for uh for

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investment in this uh in this area. The
census tract again uh stretches from uh

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the Vanden River uh south to Redway
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Um the uh local Girl Scout troop has
also made a $450 donation for a dog

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waste bag station. And so that will be
uh installed shortly.

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And uh Mayor Barnes and Council Member
Woodall and volunteers planted flowers

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at Blueest Star Memorial Park. So next
time you're over there, take a look.

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They're pretty good looking.
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and then uh we also have street sweeping
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the 24th. Want to just ask people to not
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Try to stay off of Wildwood Avenue um
while we do that. Um and then paving

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currently going on on uh
uh Davis Street for the water capital

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improvement project. I don't know if
that's going to be finished by by

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Friday, but uh it'll be close. Um and
then uh our uh painter street project uh

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sewer line upsize is well underway and
kind of the construction crew has

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covered the most difficult hurdle which
is right next to the plant. So hopefully

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it's smooth sailing here through here
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before the uh winter rains. Uh, with
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that the council may have or of staff.
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» uh, no questions. Um, it looks like we
did pretty well on animal control this

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period. Uh, six related animal calls and
zero dogs transported to Fortuna. Did

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you have any cats come into the PD?
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thank you everyone.
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Uh I just have the only thing I have is
maybe it's for Randy or for you. Uh

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there's a somebody texted me a picture
of a hole in the sidewalk over by

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Grunman's some little bit past it.
There's a looks like by a

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» it's a P&
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step in it.
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contacted PG to come out fix it.
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and I did. Other than that, I have no
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» Thank you, Council Member Woodall.
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been out. They're making the main street
look really nice. They've really been

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hard at work. Thank you. We're getting
ready for Wildwood Day and you guys are

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rocking it. Um I wanted to um ask
question. Um, city manager, is there can

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we put out or should we put out cones?
Like, you know, some cities they put out

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cones along to keep people from parking.
I don't know if we have cones that do

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that.
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works crew will uh post a couple pieces
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along the road
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» Yeah, it's never 100% but we usually get
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» Thank you. Thank you. to all of you guys
for making the city look good and thank

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you for Rosa and Jessica for running it.
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your stuff. Thank you too.
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special presentations. Senior home
repair program contract renewal fiscal

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year 2627 page 42 in our packets
manager. And I'll go ahead and turn this

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over to Mr. Travis Samour.
>> Thank you, city manager. Good evening,

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Mayor Garn, members of the council. This
is the annual renewal of our senior home

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repair program agreement with the
Humbult Senior Resource Center. Tonight

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we have Rachel Sign with us. She is
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of operations and she's here tonight and
she can answer any questions about the

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program itself. The program provides
minor home repairs to income eligible

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residents 60 and older capped at $300
per household. Last year, this program

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served four RIDEL households, but the
total cost to the city was $841

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against a $2,500 authorization.
So about a third of what was available.

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Across both years of the program, we've
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Humble Senior Resource Center proposed
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$1,500 based on prior year trends and
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$1,500.
The amount is a ceiling. It's not a

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commitment and they're only paid for
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lasts. So, we're happy to take on
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can speak on the program itself if you
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» Thank you very much. Rachel, welcome.
Thank you for coming out. Do you want to

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say anything or
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front of people.
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» So, we have a question.
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happy to answer them. Um, I think, you
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this program in Riadel and I think one
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thinking that they don't qualify. Um, so
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bit different this year. Um, the the
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different.
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60 and above I think [laughter]
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but um yeah thank you though for even
having this program available

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but it's a great program and I do think
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the um eligibility requirements are as
generous as they are. We've heard a lot

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of Well, there's no way.

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» Council member Will.
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was marketed and promoted and I imagine
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very closely with Sarah and that was my
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» Yeah, because I was reading about the
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take advantage of it if they knew.
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» Thank you.
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» Um, no questions. I support this
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yeah, as long as you're working with the
resource center, that's that's a that's

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a key around here. Yeah,
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» Wilson,
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question, but I appreciate the
opportunity for the residents and it's

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probably the probably more would if we
have I don't know if we put it in the

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newsletter that comes out. I don't know
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if more people knew about it, I'm sure
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» Oh, the Chamber of Commerce newsletter.
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newsletter every month. Is that what
you're talking about?

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» No, there's one at the city.
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» Might as well.
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» Thank you. Is there anyone in the member
of the public, please? Allison. Um I

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wonder
um [clears throat] deal with like so

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there is a $300 limit which really
limits the amount of work and they're

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all safety related. Okay. So if you do
have a broken window or a door or

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something that's not blocking or due to
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um in this situation.
>> Okay. So Allison, now is this like

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you should have a side?
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a long discussion or like
>> I can give you my I'll give you my

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» Okay. I wasn't trying to be rude or
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» okay then. Is there a mo and he has
raised emails? Nope.

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» Then is there a motion uh to approve the
renewal of the senior home repair

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program with Humble Senior Resources
Center for the fiscal year 2627 and the

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amount not to exceed $1,500 to authorize
the city manager to execute said

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agreement?
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» Is there a second? Second. We have a
motion and a second. Motion carries

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score zero.

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» And now we will move on to to

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» discussion and possible
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receiving. Perfect. Okay. So, now we are
moving on to receiving a presentation

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from the Redwood Coast Energy Authority
on the authorities 2627 budget and rate

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recommendation and related direction to
council member Wilson on voting for or

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against the authorities proposed budget
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Sorry to surprise you.
>> Hello. Hi. How are you?

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» I'm good. Thank you.
>> 48 in our packets.

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» Mayor Gardens, council members. Thank
you for having me. My name is Beth

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Burks. I'm the executive director of the
Redwood Coast Energy Authority. And

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thank you to Council Member Wilson for
inviting us here today. I'm joined with

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Lori Bandini. She is our director of
business planning and finance. So, we're

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going to tag peep this presentation a
little bit. Um so just really general

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high level overview. Um Ron Coast Energy
Authority is a joint powers agency which

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Trioell is a member. Um we have several
energy efficiency programs that we run

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in addition to of course the community
choice energy program which is what

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we're mainly here to talk about today.
Um but I'll go over um go ahead next

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slide. Um, I wanted to go over kind of
uh our board's budget process um that

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we've been engaged in, where we're at
with it, and uh proposed rate change

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that we've been discussing. So, in May
2026, uh this year, we took uh

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priorities uh and cost-saving strategies
to our board to get general direction on

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forming our CA's annual budget. Um so,
we did that in May. Um we'll talk a

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little more about what priorities came
out of that further in the presentation.

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Um and then in June, uh our board
adopted the budget, uh with direction to

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set rates, uh less than 10% above PG&E
rates and maintain a minimum of $26

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million in financial reserves. Um that's
the minimum we need in financial

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reserves to avoid um creditor fees and
things like that that we would start

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incurring if we have uh too few too too
low of a number of reserves. Um, so then

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this Thursday, um, day after tomorrow,
we'll be having a board meeting and, uh,

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we'll be coming back to our board to set
that rate. And I'll give you a spoiler.

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We're recommending six six%. Um, but I
think it's really important we have this

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chance to discuss what what we're
talking about when it when we talk about

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a rate. Um, and that the rate that our
board would adopt would come into effect

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on September 1st. Um, next slide,
please. So the priorities our board set

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um for this next fiscal year was to
remain steady in our environmental

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goals. So our CA in 2025 achieved a
portfolio of 100% renewable and carbon-f

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free energy. Um this was something long
in the making. Um and our board felt

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really strongly um that it was important
to maintain that level of portfolio. um

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they were very interested in making sure
we maintained our financial health to

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maintain um reserves to ensure
organizational solveny and additionally

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uh long-term rate stabilization. Uh
we're also looking at administering

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unprecedented uh amount of externally
funded customer programs. So we have the

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Northern Rural Energy Network which we
administer um for Humble County and

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beyond. Uh and that has um external
funding we're bringing um to to the

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county that doesn't come from rateayer
funds. Um and then we are also looking

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at uh vision setting and regional
coordination. So with that we're really

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uh been asked uh to take a regional lead
in the regional climate action plan and

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host that um that effort at RCA. Um our
board stayed uh very interested in

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making sure that we we were doing that.
Um and then we need to update our CA

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strategic plan um this coming year. Um,
we're also optimizing our operations,

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strengthening our customer service, and
make sure that our um our physical

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assets are as cost neutral as they can
be. So, we maintain a charging network,

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a electric vehicle charging network
throughout the county. Um, we want to

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make sure that we're not losing money on
that and that it's as cost neutral as it

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can be. So, we'll be focusing on that um
now that we have most of our stations

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installed. Next slide, please. So, in
terms of the cost-saving strategies that

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our board considered, we looked at no
cola increases for at least two years.

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We reduced part-time staff and froze
four vacant positions. Um, we had, I

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don't know this has come up for any of
you, but we had a unique issue with the

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27th pay period, which happens about
every 11 years. So, unlucky for us that

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this was our year, but um we uh took
reductions in our salaries um to pay for

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that um rather than paying it out, which
saved about a $200,000. We also reduced

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community choice energy funded rebates.
These are ebike vouchers and electric

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vehicle rebates that we've traditionally
given. Um we still have kept some core

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funding in the budget for that. It's
really a popular program and important

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to our board members that we continue
that. Um but we did reduce it slightly.

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Um we've reduced travel, training,
education, and outreach budget budgets.

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Um we eliminated the consultant uh
funding we wanted to set aside for the

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strategic plan update. We'll be doing
that effort in house. And probably most

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importantly, um we're pursuing a prepay
agreement which lowers the cost of our

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power um hopefully by about uh two
million annually. Um so this is a um a

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bond type agreement that we're we're
following or pursuing that would allow

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us to reduce the cost of power.
>> Who are you prepaying?

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» Uh the prepaid it's it's um it's
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between municipal financing and and um
conventional financing that allow us to

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realize savings. So yeah, and uh
hopefully that will be uh well it's a

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minimum of 8% of on the energy that
we'll save minimum and it could be as

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high as 14%. So we're still kind of
waiting um on the market to figure out

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exactly how much savings but um
conservatively we're looking at two

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million. Next slide. Um, so I'm gonna
have Lori come up and kind of walk us

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through the budget um before we kind of
get into the discussion.

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» Hello. Welcome.
>> Sure. Thank you. Lori Bandini, the

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director of business planning and
finance for RCA. Um, so this is just

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looking at what our adopted budget was
last fiscal year 202526.

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What um a mid-year amended budget looks
like um because we had some pretty

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drastic changes midyear. and then what
our um you know current fiscal year 2627

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budget is looking like. Um just to give
some context around like why we are

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recommending that we raise electricity
rates. Um so we're looking at a deficit

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a net income deficit of 5.6 million. Um
a big part of our budget is these

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customer um usage and retail rates that
we're bringing in so that we're looking

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at raising those revenues. And then a
big part of our expense budget are the

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power costs. Right now, we're looking at
power costs that exceed um what we would

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be bringing in at the retail rates that
we're suggesting. So, even with a 6%

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increase that we are suggesting, we're
still looking at a little bit of a

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deficit. Um, next slide. So, this just
shows a breakout of the type of revenue

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we have at RCA. Um, as you can see, a
majority is electricity sales from our

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customers. Um, about 71%, but we also
have about 18 million of external

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funding that Beth spoke to. So, funding
that's coming from the state um to

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implement energy efficiency programs
both here in Humble County and other

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rural counties um in Northern
California. Um we also are expecting

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some investment income and uh tax
credits. We uh built and own and operate

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um the solar plus battery uh micro grid
at the airport. You guys have ever seen

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that? Um and so we're realizing some tax
credits associated [clears throat] with

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Next slide.
And this is a breakout of our expenses.

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Um majority of our expenses who will
sell power supply as you can see. Uh

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then we have a large chunk of budget
that goes to our professional and

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program services. So that's consultant
services that we have to contract out

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to. Um we also have a large pass through
amount of budget that goes to our

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partners for the northern rural energy
networks. Those are the other counties

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that are implementing programs. Um and
then we have you know our personnel

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budget of course some uh incentives that
go directly to customers. So about 6% of

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our budget are direct customer
incentives and rebates. Um and then we

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have our you know facility facilities
and operations communications and

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outreach non-operating costs. Um and
those costs as well as personnel costs

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are where we were able to actually like
kind of trim the budget and realize some

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savings. um a lot of the other costs are
just not within our control.

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» Thank you.
>> So when we look at what is influencing

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the rates, we have uh the most um most
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there's RCA expenses which play a
smaller role. Um, and then there's this

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power charging difference adjustment.
And I want to spend a little time

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talking about this because this is
really kind of the doozy that's um

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causing us to need to to raise rates
this round. Um, so next slide, please.

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Um, the purpose of the power cost and
difference adjustment is essentially

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it's a fee that's charged by PG&E to
make up the difference in what they paid

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to procure power resources when we were
all still part of PG& um territory. I

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mean we we are in the sense that we
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them but we were still receiving power
um that they were procuring on our

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behalf. Uh so the difference in what
they paid and the current market value

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next slide please becomes the PCIA. So
PG is guaranteed to be made whole so

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that they would never lose money on
power purchase power that they've

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purchased. We do not have the same
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so that amount has fluctuated. um our
customers for the most part left PG&

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about 10 years ago. Um so these are
resources um that they are still

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customers say we procured these on your
behalf more than 10 years ago um and

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you're still on the hook to pay for
them. Uh and so next please. Um and and

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it has [clears throat] fluctuated over
the years. Um unfortunately due to a new

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uh way that they've calculated the PCIA
um this last year it went up at 232% for

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RCA customers. Um so for the typical RCA
customer, it's equal to 51% of your

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generation charge. So um you know you'll
see the the transmission um and

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distribution charges and then you'll see
the generation charges. So PCIA is a fee

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um that gets tacked onto that generation
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Now if RCA um without changing our rates
at all, if we did not have to pay that

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PCIA um our rates would be 31% lower
than PG& rates. Um but we do consider

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you know for the sake of our community
like we think about it as an all-in

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rate, right? We don't want our community
paying more and typically we've always

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offered a discount. So, um I think that
the most it was 3% discount from PG&E.

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Most recently we've been at half a
percent discount. Um but with this PCIA

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shift going up so high um it's just not
possible to um offer that dis that

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historic discount and recoup our costs.
Next slide. So what we're showing here

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is um kind of how this breaks down into
the typical power bill would be um and

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uh so we took the rate that most you
know the the far majority of residential

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customers are on the CTC rate um and
looked at what a typical average bill

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would be. Um so you can see on um on the
left here it's you know what PTE charged

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in 2025 which was rates that were quite
higher than they are today. Um and then

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RCA matched that um you know with just a
a half percent discount in 2025. Um so

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just to kind of orient ourselves here,
the blue is the delivery rate um which

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has gone up. That's the trans the
distribution transmission um those

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charges that PG charges every customer.
Uh the green area is our generation rate

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and that's the piece that we're talking
about in terms of increasing. Um it

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doesn't affect the o it doesn't it's not
a percent of the overall bill. It's a

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percent of the generation. So it's a
percent of that. Um and then and then

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sort of that pinkish color is the PCIA
charge. So um next slide please. So you

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can see if we look at a 6% increase, it
means that our charges plus the PCIA

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would be 6% higher than what a bundle
customer, someone who isn't part of the

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community choice energy program what
they would pay. Um the total bill

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results in about 1.6% 6% greater than a
typical PG& bill. So um just I want to

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be really clear on that because it can
feel really scary to talk about overall

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bill if we were saying that was going up
by 6%. It's a much different impact than

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what we're talking about. So it is just
a percentage of the generation that

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we're talking about. So um next slide.
Uh so we wanted to compare it to 2025

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when the rates were quite high. They
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and so if we look at that right now, the
average customer is paying about $8 less

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uh in generation than they were um in
2025. And with the 6% rate increase,

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they would um still be paying less than
they paid in 2025 um but more more than

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current. Next slide. Uh so the overall
take-home message um for this 6%

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increase is on the average customer bill
um we'd be looking at an additional

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$2.33 a month um to cover that 6%
charge. Um just to give you that context

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of what it would mean um you know again
for an average customer on the typical

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rate. Um so uh that um that is uh the
proposal we'll be making to the board uh

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this Thursday for that 6% increase and
that does leave us um at that reserve

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target that we were going for. Um so it
works in that sense. Let's next slide.

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So our next steps um would be for our CA
board to finalize the rate at our

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meeting on Thursday. um rates would
become effective in September and then

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we'll continue to monitor the rates on a
quarterly basis and make adjustments up

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to the 9.5% cap the board recommended
that we stay under. Um and that's just

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to make sure we can maintain those
minimum level preserves consistent with

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the recommendation. And then the next
step or next slide. Um so you know I do

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want to mention that we offer a lot of
services for energy efficiency and so we

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have constituents or or community
members that are concerned about their

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bill and this change. Um, please
encourage them to call our CA or visit

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our website. Um, we have customer
service representatives are all local

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people, local locally employed folks.
They'll answer the phone. Real humans

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answer our phone. Um, they will be happy
to review a customer's rate, make sure

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they're on the best rate for the type of
energy and the time of use that they use

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energy. Um, sometimes there can be
savings just in that alone, just by

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changing the rate guidelines. Um, you
can request a free home energy

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assessment where they'll get on the
phone with you and walk through every

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appliance in your home and think about
low and no cost ways that you could

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conserve energy. Um, and then you can
request a free energy kit to help you

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implement some of those low and no cost
ways. Um, and then there's a rebate

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catalog that you can find online that
would uh, um, support energy efficiency

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upgrades for many appliances that people
might be replacing. Um, and then as far

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as even, you know, uh, rebates for
something as complicated as a, um, heat,

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pump, hot water heater. So, kind of a
wide variety of very small rebates and

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and much larger ones. So, um, we do have
a variety of services we can offer to

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offset the increase and we're happy to
provide those services if anyone's

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interested. Um, so that is my last
slide. Um, I'm happy to answer any

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questions. Um, and really do appreciate
um, council member Wilson's invite to

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come here. You know, it's really great
for us to get to come and explain and

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make sure everyone has the right
information to make decisions. I really

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appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Um, Council Member

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No.
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people can opt out of RCA, right? So, I
mean, so let's say you you adjust your

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race and somebody's like, "Oh god, I
just can't handle that." They can just

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opt out. Yeah.
>> And the people who read it and say, "I'm

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okay with this." They can just stay in.
So, people still have choices. This is

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» that's the heart of it. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. Absolutely.

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» That is my only clarification. Thank
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» Thank you, Council Member Wilson.
>> Uh yeah, just a a couple things. If if

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you don't What is the ramifications if
you don't raise your rates? You you

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start like you showed you at the current
rate, we'd lose $6 million

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» this year. and over a substant time how
long before that would eventually

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eliminate our
>> um yeah without any change in rates I

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think you know we we don't really map
past um asset on a three-year period

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because it become the modeling becomes
very iffy after that right so the

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crystal ball gets gets even cloudier um
so but looking at this I think we get

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down to just a few million um in 2028 if
we don't make any changes but it's other

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things you know there's many factors
happening in the background as Well, in

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terms of one, PCI advocacy that we're
doing to remove that and you know, I

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will say California is the only state
that doesn't um you know, many states

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have community choice energy type
programs. We're the only state that

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doesn't sunset a PCIA. Um so 10 years
deep into it, it should definitely go

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away. Um so we're working towards that.
That's something that could change the

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background. Energy costs fluctuate
daily, hourly. Um so those um you know

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even from the presentation we gave the
forward last month to now um you know

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there it's the situation improved by
million dollars. Um so that's why we

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want to have that ability to track it so
closely and make make changes a little

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more fine-tuning so we can at least name
that minimum maintain that minimum level

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of reserves um and hopefully avoid any
any larger rate increases than that

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9.5%. But in terms of if we do nothing
and nothing in the background changes um

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you know it's it's it it doesn't all
look rosy you know by 2028 if you pay by

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find ourselves with pretty bare minimum
reserves.

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» So with with the with the increase you
you hold your own with the $28 billion

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reserve for the financial thing
>> and uh the the one of the things that

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happened and can I take a second?
>> Yeah. uh

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» when I was in the hospital for I was in
the hospital for a while and that

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there's a lot of different nurses that
come through that if you've been to uh

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Providence that they that they have
there and used the RCA had sent me some

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flowers and so it had RCA written on it.
So they would come by and ask me all the

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time about RCA. And there's one of the
things that you I saw was there was

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there was a very lack of understanding
in Humble County about RCA. You know,

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it's on my bill. I see it there and I
have to pay it and my what I pay double

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or all kinds of questions. So it gave me
a lot of opportunity. Uh and I and I

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lost track after I don't know after 10
people I lost track of that. But one of

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the things that that seem to be the the
thing that I could I could lean to is

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the the things that RCA does locally and
there's there's about $10 million worth

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of $6 million like a personnel jobs or
40ome jobs. Um this $10 million that

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goes into the local economy if it was
not going to RCA locally it would be

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00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:07,440
going into as I said in the last meeting
it would be going to PG& stockholders.

410
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:13,919
uh shareholders pockets and and just as
a point of interest in 2025

411
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:17,679
PG& made $2.5 billion profit depending
what you look at another one they were

412
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:24,159
three billion depending how they their
financial spreadsheets are showing you

413
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:28,159
what they're showing and the there's
there's never

414
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:32,880
a kind of a thing that there's you know
what's your goal for PGD there's never

415
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:38,320
enough it's what the most that I what
can we get and they continue to take

416
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:44,559
that. And so by keeping this stuff
local, the the jobs the uh you know the

417
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,440
the support when you have 40 jobs, you
have so many support jobs that help with

418
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:55,360
that and to lose to lose that out just
to let that go to to the corporate uh

419
00:32:52,799 --> 00:33:00,080
process. And the other thing was a few
years back we actually had to borrow

420
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:06,799
money from one of the rancheras to stay
in business. And then this PCIA thing

421
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:10,960
that they fill with uh they changed that
to the point where we were able to come

422
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:16,240
from being going negative we paid off
the loan back to the rancheria in

423
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:21,919
shorter than it was due and then we
started acrewing the the money to bring

424
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:26,799
up the reserves to where they're a solid
right now I think it's even higher than

425
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:31,039
26 billion and and that happened in such
a short period of time it was like like

426
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:36,799
a phenomenal thing. What happened? Well,
this PCI thing that PG wasn't getting,

427
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,399
they
they used to have a building in San

428
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:45,679
Francisco that had two buildings. One
takes take took up a square block of 34

429
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:50,080
stories or something which they sold and
now they're in Oakland. But they had

430
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:54,799
people that sit around and figure this
stuff out. And one of the things they

431
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:59,760
figured out was how to do whatever they
did to PCIA. Now it's now it's 232%

432
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,840
above
>> right

433
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,640
» what they're doing and it's half the
energy costs and so now they're taking

434
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:12,560
that money back and if they probably
have a I'm speaking as a conjecture a

435
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:18,480
goal would be to eliminate CCAs because
CCAs take and and purchase power on the

436
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:24,399
open market and then send sell it back
to the local people. If we weren't here,

437
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,560
they would do that. They It would be
them taking the power and sending it to

438
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:33,040
you and put it in their pocket. Right.
>> In this case, the the whole purpose of

439
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:40,480
the CCA, which is community choice
aggregate, was to give local communities

440
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:46,960
a chance to do a little better in in the
system and try to save money. And so the

441
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:51,679
result of it of not of not saving a big
punch on your bill, there are things

442
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:58,800
happening in your in your community that
RCA provides. And so if it were just

443
00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:04,079
left to me and we were going to vote and
Frank was going to the council or to the

444
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:10,960
board meeting, my vote would have been
for this. And yet that's a big that's a

445
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:15,040
big deal for overall. And they uh they
changed it from 10 now to six. that

446
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:20,320
that's why I came to the council that
that you guys should have input as a JPA

447
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,960
to influence what I do or don't do. I'll
do what the C I'll express my opinion

448
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,359
but I'll still vote as the council
directs me and that's

449
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:35,680
» basically what I have.
>> Thank you, Council Wilson. Um I would

450
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:42,480
like to know so what you're saying is
that PCIA is not going to go away

451
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:47,680
» as of now. No, there's some bill there.
Assembly member Rogers, our Assembly

452
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:51,119
member, uh he has uh sponsored some
legislation to increase the

453
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:55,280
transparency. So, one of the ironies of
this PCIA, is that there's not a lot of

454
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:59,760
insight to what resources they're
putting into that calculation. Um and

455
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,000
the claim is that it's proprietary
information, sort of cost of energy, you

456
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,960
know, things that um would be sort of
trade secret. So we can't just let

457
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:11,040
everybody know but there has to be some
level of transparency um to understand

458
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,280
well you know to give us any
predictability of what will happen with

459
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:19,520
the PCIA in the long run. Um so there is
a transparency bill being being uh

460
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:23,599
floated right now that's doing very well
through committees. Um but there's no

461
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,520
plan currently that would make it go
away. We have um through our trade

462
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:33,119
organization we've submitted an appeal
to the California Supreme Court um for

463
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:36,640
this uh retroactive rate making that uh
we you know we're basically saying that

464
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,839
this new methodology the way they
calculated it to have it rise so rapidly

465
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,599
at 232% constitutes retroactive
rightmaking. Um so we've been taking

466
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,760
that appeal as far as we can take it. So
we're doing active advocacy around this

467
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,079
but right now there is no sunset. There
is no way that this permanently goes

468
00:36:51,440 --> 00:37:00,880
away. Um when you when you're talking
about a bill to uh to address this, are

469
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:09,520
you talking about something that would
be directly um

470
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:12,960
directed to PG&E or because really if
CPU

471
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,960
» says they can do it and that's what
their favorite thing to do is to say you

472
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:25,520
can do it PG&
>> then there's really it. So I guess my

473
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:30,480
question is is the bill directed at CPU?
>> It would it would direct the CPU to like

474
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:36,880
come up with a process to make the PCIA
calculation more transparent for CCAs.

475
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:40,800
» Okay. And um
>> but I [clears throat] agree with your um

476
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:46,560
synopsis there in terms of the CPU
generally liking to give what they want.

477
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:50,800
And so
just my I have to honestly my

478
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:58,079
inclination
initially is to vote no because

479
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:04,560
every single thing and every single
garbage, water, trash,

480
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:10,880
life, everything is going up. And so
when something goes up, it might only go

481
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:18,720
up 50 cents. But if 50 things go up 50
cents, then community, you know, a

482
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:27,119
community that is um not an affluent
community will suffer. And the one thing

483
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:32,720
that we felt when we were or we we
believed when we were originally all in

484
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:38,880
and and for it is that it would be
lower, that you would save us, you not

485
00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:45,839
[laughter]
you know, um, from the rate increases.

486
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:50,800
And so the rate increase of 6% is good,
but it can go up to 9.5. I remember this

487
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,000
whole cannabis thing, you know, it's
10%, but it could go up to 10%. And then

488
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,720
we had to back it down because people
didn't like that number, right? And so

489
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:02,880
that's my concern [clears throat] is
that

490
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,800
you're doing it. I understand why you're
doing it and I understand the need to

491
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:14,640
do.
I don't know that the community can

492
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:20,720
sustain PE everything going up, you
know. Um, and the city it's the same

493
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:27,119
like our garbage rates go up, you know.
Um, our water rates or water sewer rates

494
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:31,119
go up and you know that's something
that's been that was established like

495
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:34,480
for the water and sewer that was
established four years ago or whatever

496
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:38,640
and it's you know this is the final year
but it doesn't matter that it's the

497
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:45,839
final year. what matters is going up,
you know, and so that's really my

498
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:50,960
biggest concern and my worry and I I do
believe because I understand that every

499
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:59,839
jurisdiction is percentage and Rioell is
only a 6% um of the total um vote wise

500
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:04,720
um that
it will likely [clears throat] pass and

501
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:12,400
I'm sure that it will likely pass here,
but I just I am just very uncomfortable

502
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:16,560
with raising things when every single
day we get promised the gas is going to

503
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:23,160
go down. It goes down for a day and then
it goes back right back up, you know.

504
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,160
So is there

505
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:30,480
so the 9.5% that you say that's as high
as it's going to go

506
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:35,359
» and that's as high as it's going to go
for two years because it's a twoyear or

507
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:42,720
no that cost of living that was your
your

508
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:52,240
other sorry but is there what is the um
duration of that cap of 9.5 is that you

509
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:54,880
know like if they go up to 250%.
In the PICA,

510
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:58,800
» what happens then?
>> Well, we would the way we're structuring

511
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,880
this is that it would come back to our
board for anything above that 9.5 would

512
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:06,960
be a whole new discussion with the
board. So, we would not take that

513
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:11,040
without, you know, you know, we could
bring it back to this council as well.

514
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Um, so we would have that check right
there. um in terms of how long we think

515
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,560
we can you know write out this
particular rate and we want to be able

516
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:22,800
to have that flexibility to analyze it
you know as we go to avoid a higher rate

517
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:27,760
increase because we run that risk if we
wait too long the ask get too high and

518
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:30,960
that's the f you know I will say it's
not something we've taken lightly we've

519
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,599
had this historic discount um
affordability has always been a focus of

520
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:40,640
our CA um we've saved you know well over
$7 million um throughout the county

521
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:43,599
since we started so I I I would say that
we're still very much focused on

522
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,240
affordability and just like the rates
could go up and I hear what you're

523
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:50,640
saying about but they never seem to come
down um I think that that is a real

524
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,520
potential um that we will also be
monitoring for. So um as uh council

525
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:59,760
member Wilson said you know one of the
one of the great things about being a

526
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:04,000
CCA versus a profit driven entity is
that um we we can bring it down. We're

527
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,200
not we're not in this just to drive up
profits to the maximum extent feasible.

528
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:11,119
So when we hit the targets that our
board has set we had to back off. Um so

529
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:14,480
I think we have some assurance there
that we've got some great oversight with

530
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,200
our board that's very engaged and we'll
be watching it every step of the way. Um

531
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,800
the energy market is volatile. Um so as
I mentioned things improved even $2

532
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,800
million from one month to the next. They
can also on you know go the opposite

533
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:30,400
direction. Um but we have experienced
these big fluctuations and so it's very

534
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:34,079
hard at any moment to say this is the
right moment to do this and especially

535
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,839
um what you mentioned with it feels like
everything's going up and I will tell

536
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:41,520
you I have spent the last two months
looking around at my community and

537
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:46,400
wondering like you know which of us can
afford that and which like it's it's not

538
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:51,599
a joke right like it's very serious and
I you know I think we are also a grand

539
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:55,680
experiment here in Humboldt um for CCAs
we you know our demographics are quite

540
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,599
different than a typical CCA So I think
one thing about this increase um and um

541
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,800
you know to your point about opt outs it
is still a choice so people can make

542
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,000
that choice if they need to. We've done
some analysis as sort of what's the

543
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:09,839
threshold that we can tolerate and stay
viable and so we're looking at all of

544
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:14,240
that very closely and we can selforrect
at any moment um and you know think of

545
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,240
alternatives or contingencies if we need
to. Um but we you know one thing I would

546
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,240
really encourage is those options for
efficiency because it is a fairly small

547
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,160
increase. Um, I think that there are
some things, you know, often that could

548
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,760
be done that would you could bring it
back down. Um, and talking with our

549
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,400
energy advisors would be a great way for
people to know like, okay, how would I

550
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,920
save some money here or is it just the
time? I'm literally could be the time

551
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,839
doing your laundry. Um, you know, so, so
there could be very simple changes

552
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,720
people could make in that up. Yeah.
>> So, I'd really encourage that as a first

553
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:49,760
step. We've got great people, you know,
ready to give advice on that. Okay. And

554
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:54,400
the increase would it be
let's say is it I don't know exactly how

555
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:59,200
you is it per kilowatt hour or is it per
month is that whatever that that total

556
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:03,119
amount you what what is that total
amount covering

557
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:06,800
» yeah I think it's it's per kilowatt um
per kilowatt hour that what we showed

558
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:12,079
you there the amount was a typical bill
so just the very most average bill on

559
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:17,760
the most average rate so yeah
but but we are tied to um we tied to PG&

560
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:23,040
rates. So we're still going to tear off
of that, right? So um the cost is just

561
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:28,880
looking at PG&'s rate setting and and
you know going going um higher than that

562
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:34,000
but not necessarily you know mixing up
the rate classes different or um analyze

563
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:37,680
you know kind of uh there there's a
whole other method we could do which is

564
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:42,079
like cost of service which would um
perhaps have you know different rates

565
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,800
for different classes of users than PG&E
uses. We're not talking about any of

566
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:48,160
that. We're just talking about straight
off of the PJ bill just like we've

567
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:53,040
always done. But half a percent, now
it'll be six%.

568
00:44:49,440 --> 00:45:01,359
» Okay. And I think
>> so if PG&E raises their rates,

569
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:04,960
then you would have to raise your rates.
Is that it's it's just like

570
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,839
» potentially or potentially not. Yes. I
mean, we we'll have to make that choice

571
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,680
because we're going to watch that. So we
may still need to stay higher. Um or it

572
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,920
could be that if they did a dramatic
rate increase, we could actually find

573
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:19,680
ourselves lower again. It really depends
on how they because we're we're basing

574
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:24,240
this on what we need for our reserves,
not not what you know just matching

575
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:27,520
their rates. Yeah. So, so we will have
that option and that is you know in our

576
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,960
dream world that's the best case
scenario but not exactly because we

577
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,960
don't want you know rates overall pet
rocket but yeah we would you know be

578
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:38,560
able to realize that discount. Um, so
yeah, it's a it's a complicated uh wish

579
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:42,160
list, right? Because you don't want
rates to go too high, but also, you

580
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:46,240
know, we do want to be able to offer. So
it could that could be, you know, the

581
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:51,359
scenario a few months from now.
>> Thank you. Is there anyone in the public

582
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:56,640
who has a question?
>> Yes. Can you

583
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:00,240
» Okay,
>> that would be great.

584
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,880
» Hi, my name is Shannon Brashard,
community member. My question is your

585
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:10,160
average of $2 a little bit more or the
average of4 $140 a month. What if that's

586
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:16,560
not your average? Our I wish my average
was $148 a month. I that's not and I've

587
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:21,760
been processed with my family. So would
my $2 and something cents go up because

588
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:27,760
my bill went up because my average 200
if I'm lucky 220 on a good month. And so

589
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:32,960
would that extra $2, would that be more
for me? It would be 6% no matter my

590
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,359
bill.
>> Or would it the $2 that you're saying

591
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:45,839
would go up each month? It would go up.
If my bill is not $140, I'm not paying

592
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:49,920
the the generation rate plus the PIA
would be Yeah, you'd be your generation

593
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:54,359
portion will go up,
>> right? So my average

594
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:04,640
» okay that was my question because my
>> thank you

595
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:06,960
» my average like 61
>> I don't know what I'm doing

596
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:11,520
» that [laughter]
and if I could just add you know if you

597
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,200
have questions like that about your bill
please call in because they can break

598
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:19,119
down um I'm not sure how much time
people have spent with their PJ new bill

599
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:22,880
but it's um potentially purposefully
confusing um you know where they put

600
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,560
those charges and what you're looking
at. And so if you have like for example

601
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,440
natural gas that we're not talking about
that at all, right? Like nothing's

602
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,960
touching that. So you might have that
might be where the bulk of your bill is.

603
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,599
So um even though your bill may be
higher than the average bill we were

604
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:41,760
looking at here, um you know maybe your
percentage of what what amount of that

605
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:45,280
is electricity generation. Um that's the
important part we're talking about. So

606
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:49,200
um you know depending on what your
appliances are, all all kinds of factors

607
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,960
will go into that. So, um, yeah, that
we're only talking about the electric

608
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:59,440
portion of the bill. [clears throat]
>> Thank you. Lot of

609
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:03,680
any hands raised.
>> Council, council member.

610
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,280
» Well, I was just going to say um
>> I kind of agree with Amanda. You have

611
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,960
the option
>> to um opt out even though they make it

612
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:19,359
hard. My husband's tried to call several
times. But now that I mean if

613
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:23,520
» what is the other option opt out
>> PG PG

614
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:28,240
» do they charge you more to
>> sorry

615
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:33,119
» yeah if um if you opt out you go back to
being a bundled customer um one thing

616
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:38,000
and there is a waiting period so it's um
you opt out and then uh if you if you

617
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:42,400
for example if we were able to realize a
discount and you wanted to opt back in

618
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,760
it wouldn't happen instantaneously.
So, so you it's a bit of a gamble,

619
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:48,559
right? Which one do you think will be
cheaper in the long term? I mean,

620
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,800
historically, for the last 10 years,
we've managed to be cheaper. This is the

621
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:56,480
first time we've had to go above PJ. Um,
so I think that's just to be mindful of

622
00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:00,640
that that if you opt out, you know, it
takes some time to opt back in if we

623
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:03,839
were able to realize rate savings. Um,
but yes, that would be your option. You

624
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:06,160
just go to the PG& become a bundled
customer.

625
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:10,240
» When you talk about it'll take some
time, how much time to opt out?

626
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:16,000
» Uh, when you opt out, I think there's
just a small leg lag. um uh of a couple

627
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:20,400
months to actually get back on the PG&
bundled customer. But when you want to

628
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:24,880
opt back into RCA, um I think it takes
uh I want to say a year before you can

629
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:29,200
come back in. Um yeah, so there is some
time and that's just to avoid um you

630
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:33,359
know again we're procuring power based
on a anticipated load and so um if

631
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,559
someone were for example trying to gain
the system of opting in opting out every

632
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:41,880
other day you know make it difficult. So
there are some statutory required time

633
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,880
frames. Okay.

634
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:52,559
» Sorry I didn't mean to
jump ahead of you there, Julie. Um, are

635
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:59,480
there any um emails?
Then I will Let's see. Where are we?

636
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,480
Uhoh.

637
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:32,640
direction need to provide direction to
council member Wilson on how to vote for

638
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:37,040
the uh rate increase for um RCA
there. How do I It's not a motion.

639
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Um I think uh I think you can do it
either way. I think the motion would

640
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:52,240
probably be the best way to do it and a
simple motion would be to uh

641
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:58,079
based on what I'm reading from the
council to uh make a motion to u direct

642
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:02,319
council member Wilson to vote in the
affirmative for the robocose energy

643
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:06,400
authority budget and rate
recommendation.

644
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:10,400
Is there a motion?
>> I'll make that motion.

645
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:16,400
» Repeat it. No.
It's for me. Council member Wilson

646
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,280
direction to vote in the affirmative.
>> In the affirmative. I couldn't I didn't.

647
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,880
Yes.
>> Because people have a choice ultimately.

648
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,960
I think they can do.
>> Yeah. Okay. I'll make the motion.

649
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,960
» You have a motion.
>> Oh, so state the motion.

650
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:36,240
Tell your motion.
>> I think we are the motion is to for the

651
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:42,880
council to direct you council member
Wilson to vote in the affirmative for

652
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:47,920
the budget and the rate increase for
RCA.

653
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:50,559
» It's saying vote yes. That's basically
the motion.

654
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:55,359
» That's what you're So
motion and a second. We have a second.

655
00:51:53,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Do we have a second? I'll
>> second.

656
00:51:55,839 --> 00:52:01,000
» We have a motion and a second. Feeling

657
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:06,839
vote.

658
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,119
Okay. So motion car 3 one.

659
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,240
» Okay.

660
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:22,640
I will
thank you both for coming.

661
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:28,800
Absolutely. Thanks for answering all of
our questions.

662
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:34,920
Now we'll move on to the update the span
neuter voucher program page 68 in our

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00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,920
packets.

664
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,000
» Thank you Mayor Garn members of the
council. I'll go ahead and hand this

665
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:45,200
over to our finance director, Mr. Travis
Sand.

666
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:50,680
» Thank you, city manager. And just going
to wait our PowerPoint loaded here.

667
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,880
All right. Thank you, Mayor Gar, members
of the council. So, Riadella is a small

668
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,480
rural community of about 3,400 people.
And today, I want to walk you through

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00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,960
what we built with our spay and neuter
program and why we think it holds

670
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:11,040
lessons for future programs like this.
And everything you see today is verified

671
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:18,119
provider billings in within the city's
general ledger through the end of the

672
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,119
last fiscal year, June 30th, 2026.

673
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:24,400
Unaltered animal populations put real
pressure on small cities. Shelter

674
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:29,599
intake, animal control calls are costs
that we absorb whether we budget for

675
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:33,680
them or not. In August 2024, the city
council approved a straightforward

676
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:41,160
solution. Pay a trusted local clinic
directly for each spay or neuter

677
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,160
performed. Resolution 1623-2024

678
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:49,280
established this program and named
animal license fees as its funding

679
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:53,280
source. The mechanics is simple. A
resident brings a dog or cat to Humble

680
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:57,920
Humane, which does business as Critters
Without Litters, and the clinic performs

681
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:02,559
the procedure and invoices the city per
animal. We pay, there's no new staff,

682
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:08,240
and there's no new infrastructure
involved. The MLAN Foundation actually

683
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:12,800
stepped in early with a $3,500 grant to
support that helped us get us get this

684
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:18,559
program off the ground.
In 22 months of operation, the program

685
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:23,839
asserts 53 animals, 32 dogs, and 21
cats. Every one of them through a

686
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:31,280
voucher valued from $75 for a male cat
to $350 for a female dog based on animal

687
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:36,160
type and size. The average provider cost
is about $120 per animal, which is an

688
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:40,960
efficient number for a rule program with
no administrative overhead.

689
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:46,559
22 months of continuous operations were
done without interruption.

690
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:52,000
We have secured $13,221
across three sources, a little over

691
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:59,119
$8,900 from in dedicated animal license
fees, $3,500 from the MLAN Foundation,

692
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:03,520
and $750 from three community donors who
believed in the program. The MLAN grants

693
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,440
were instrumental in getting us off in
our first year and those awards have now

694
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:13,760
closed and the program is standing on
its own.

695
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:19,760
In the first year, fiscal 2024-25, we
ran primarily on fund balance with the

696
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:25,200
$750 donation in support. When the MLAN
Foundation award closed in October 2025,

697
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,520
the dedicated fee stream picked up from
where the philanthropy left off. That

698
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:34,800
transition happened without a gap in
service.

699
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:39,760
Across two years, we've secured $13,221
in grants, donations, and dedicated fees

700
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:44,000
to run a program that serves roughly 25
animals per year.

701
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:49,000
Here's why the program is self-
sustaining. Resolution 1623-20224

702
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:57,040
named animal license and control fees as
funding source, and we ran the numbers.

703
00:55:53,839 --> 00:56:04,000
In fiscal year 2425, we collected a
little over $3,900 against a $2,500

704
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:09,680
projection. In fiscal year 2526, we
collected $4,999,

705
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:15,119
which is double the projection.
We dedicated the full $8,971

706
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:21,240
to the program, and the annual fee
collections now cover the program's

707
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:21,240
annual cost with room to spare.

708
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:28,079
So California's $50 million California
for all animals initiative directed more

709
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:33,200
than half of its dispersed funding
towards spay and neuter. That program's

710
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:38,240
grant funds are now fully awarded. Ridel
shows what a next generation of rural

711
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:42,640
spayneuter support could look like which
is locally administered feedback and

712
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:48,319
delivered through an existing community
clinic and verified to the penny.

713
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:53,599
What dedicated local fees cannot fund is
growth. We sustain 25 animals a year,

714
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:58,400
feral cat populations,
neighboring communities, expanded

715
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:02,880
demand. Those require a state partner.
The model works. The economics are

716
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,559
honest and the partnership is ready.
Reedell has built a self- sustaining

717
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:12,640
rural spay and neuter program on local
fees, community support, and one trusted

718
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:17,359
clinic. We offered as a model for how
this should work across California.

719
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Thank you for that and I'd be happy to
answer any questions you might have.

720
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:29,920
» Thank you very much. And um I want to
personally thank Mayor Prom Amanda

721
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:34,960
Carter for her efforts. There's not a
time that a meeting, not anything that

722
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:39,440
goes by when she doesn't bring it up and
she doesn't push it. It doesn't it

723
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:44,079
doesn't matter what the meeting is an
opening and says, "Do you have anything

724
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:49,760
to say?" she's got something to say and
it's got to do with spay neut. So, I

725
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:53,040
want to say thank you for all you do um
for this area and I would like to see if

726
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,119
you would like to
>> Yeah, I would love to speak on this. Um

727
00:57:54,799 --> 00:58:03,359
I first Thank you, Travis, for this
lovely PowerPoint. The first one

728
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:07,520
just makes my heart warm. How a city of
3,400 people built a self-sustaining

729
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:12,319
space program. I wish I could see more
of that. Um, [gasps]

730
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:17,359
I guess I I think that as far as animal
control goes and as we, you know, move

731
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:21,920
forward in our animal control future,
whatever those decisions are, I do think

732
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:30,079
that this spayneuter voucher program is
the most valuable and um,

733
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:34,000
coste effective way to tackle animal
overpopulation. Um, I also want to make

734
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,079
sure you guys got all these letters of
support from the community cuz people

735
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:44,319
really really like this program a lot.
It helps people. Um, something I hear a

736
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:48,640
lot is that owning a pet's a luxury, but
I don't think it should be, right? I I

737
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,640
think that partially, you know, a lot of
these times pets are they serve as

738
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:58,400
people's emotional support. They serve
as just all kinds of stuff that that we

739
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:03,119
need and we rely on. And and I think
that people should be allowed to have

740
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:09,920
pets without it being massively uh cost
prohibitive. Um I also think that when

741
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:13,839
it comes to unwanted births, you know,
um sometimes it's just an accident.

742
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:19,280
Sometimes the cat sneaks out and comes
home pregnant and then what do you do

743
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:23,359
with this litter of five kids? Um so I
think that's really effective there,

744
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:27,599
too. I have trapped 18 cats in my
backyard alone. And that's not counting

745
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:32,400
the cats that have been out and trapped
elsewhere. 18. Um, I paid out of pocket

746
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,079
to have all of those cats spayed and
neutered, you know, and it would have

747
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:39,520
been really nice if the city or some,
you know, there's other voucher programs

748
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:43,760
out there, but this is by far the most
sustainable, most effective way to

749
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:49,280
combat animal overpopulation and shelter
overpopulation. In light of recent

750
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,920
circumstances, I I think it really
highlights the need uh for spayneuter

751
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:58,079
and people are calling for all kinds of
solutions. We need oversight. We need

752
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:01,839
you know facilities. We need
infrastructure. Uh but what we really

753
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,839
really really need is investment in
spayneuter um locally at the state level

754
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:13,599
at every single level. So for me it is a
huge pleasure to be a representative

755
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:17,119
program for how to do this. Nobody's
doing this. The reason I talk about it

756
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,760
so much is because nobody does this.
Nobody else in Humble County, not a

757
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:26,079
single jurisdiction's doing this. Um,
there are very few programs like this in

758
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:31,040
the entire state. And I haven't found a
whole lot like New York City was looking

759
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:36,559
at how to do it or something. So, we
beat New York City to the punch really.

760
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:41,440
And I want to thank this council for the
support that it's given me. Um, you all

761
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:46,400
have always unanimously voted yes to
this stuff and so I'm proud of you. and

762
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:51,200
city staff has been massively supportive
in this effort. And um so so has the

763
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:57,280
community resource center. Sarah can't
be here today, but uh Critters Without

764
01:00:53,280 --> 01:01:00,480
Litters is the clinic that we contract
with for this and I'm just so thankful

765
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:05,359
that they're here because they are so
close by. It used to be that we were

766
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:09,119
driving cats and dogs up to Almost Bay
Neuter Network which is a wonderful

767
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:13,599
place but is far away from Rio and that
by itself was prohibitive. Um, our

768
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:18,079
program offers financial assistance and
transportation if people need it. The

769
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,359
mayor prom of your city shows up to your
house and picks up your animal, takes it

770
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:25,520
to the vet, and then brings it right
back home. Um, and I think there are

771
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:31,440
very few cities that can say that.
Lastly, our three community donors. Um,

772
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:34,880
that was my family, so I kind of want to
thank them, too. [laughter]

773
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:38,000
Uh, that was me saying, "Don't buy me
Christmas presents this year, just

774
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:42,960
donate to this program instead." Which
they very graciously did. So, I would be

775
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:47,440
remiss not to thank uh my mom and my
sister and my father-in-law for donating

776
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:53,839
as my Christmas present last year, and
I'm going to try again. Um, that's my

777
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:58,160
spiel. What I would like is like a is
dedicated funding for this. You know, I

778
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:01,920
I want to see this grow. I would love to
see this open to feral and straight cats

779
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,079
because that's really where the problem
is. It's one thing to help people's pets

780
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:11,280
and it's quite another to motivate
people to trump around in some bushes

781
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:16,559
and and try to trap these wild spitting
hissing mean nasty cats uh when there

782
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:20,319
isn't somebody to help drive pay
whatever. A lot of the time community

783
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:24,640
members are perfectly willing to pay a
little bit $20 a cat, something like

784
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:28,960
that. But with the city's assistance, we
can really try to cut down um you know

785
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:34,000
the the cats that get into your lovely
flowers and you know things like that.

786
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:37,680
So, um, I'm going to shut my mouth
because I could talk about this for a

787
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:44,200
really long time. I just I want to thank
Travis especially for putting this

788
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,200
together. It's beautiful. Thank you all.

789
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:50,480
» Council member Little,
>> I just want to say thank you. You've

790
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:56,400
done an amazing job. You've been on this
for a long time and

791
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:59,680
it's a wonderful program and we do need
pets.

792
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,079
» Yeah, definitely. And so I'm all for it
and I'm all for anything else we can do

793
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,400
to help.
>> Thank you, Council Member Wilson.

794
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:12,240
» Yes. And I also thank Amanda. I know
she's the CAT lady and so

795
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:17,280
ever since you came on the council
before, but u I think it's a good

796
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:21,119
program. Uh and the added caveat that
you told me tonight is that we beat New

797
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,079
York. So
>> I'm really proud of that.

798
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:31,680
» Yeah. Good. We should be really proud of
our service. Yeah. Any community member

799
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:36,599
would like to speak on this?
>> All right.

800
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,599
Jennifer.

801
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:52,000
» Hello. My my name is Jennifer Raymond
and I just want to commend Amanda and

802
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:56,079
the city of Rioell for this program. I
am the founder of Critters Without

803
01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:02,000
Litters and also Humbult's Bayne Neuter
Clinic. When I moved to Humbult County,

804
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:08,480
I learned that more than 4,000 dogs and
cats were being euthanized every year by

805
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:15,599
the county's impound facility. And I was
appalled by that. I called the facility

806
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:21,520
and said, "Do you have a spayneuter
program?" And they said, "No." And I

807
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:26,480
said, "Well, um, I'd like to volunteer
to start one. I'll do it as a volunteer.

808
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:30,480
I'll raise all the money." And they
said, "No, thank you." So, I had to

809
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:36,079
start a nonprofit and it turned into
Humble Spain Neuter Clinic. The very

810
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:42,400
first year we operated, we were spaying
and we spayed neutered more than 3,500

811
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:49,680
dogs and cats. And what this represents
is thousands of kittens and puppies that

812
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:54,640
aren't born, don't need to be impounded,
won't be euthanized.

813
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:58,480
And the problem with spayneuter is we
don't have a whole lot to show for our

814
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:04,559
work. You know, I mean, the more
successful we are, the less we have to

815
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:10,160
show. But what you've done here is
wonderful, and I think it's a model, and

816
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:13,680
it's a model that I'm going to work on.
I'm talking with the county board of

817
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:20,799
supervisors
and using Rioddell as a model saying

818
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:26,799
let's do this as a county. So thank you
so much for what you are doing here.

819
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:33,200
Thank you Amanda and uh this is just
really forwardlooking because we won't

820
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:40,079
solve pet overpopulation
until we solve the problem of unwanted

821
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,640
births. And that's what's sp.
Thank you.

822
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:46,200
» Thank you for being here.
>> There anyone else

823
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,000
standing up?

824
01:05:51,920 --> 01:06:03,680
» I wasn't sure if she
>> Okay, then. Um I Any hands raised? Any

825
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:07,839
emails? Then I will ask for a motion to
direct staff to establish a recurring

826
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,200
dedicated
dedication of animal license and control

827
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:18,000
fee revenue to the program beginning in
fiscal year 2627. Is there a motion?

828
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,160
» I would love to make that motion.
>> Have a motion. Is there a second?

829
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:24,000
» I have a second.
>> Have a motion and a second.

830
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,359
» Motion carries 4.
>> Thank you everybody.

831
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,160
» Thank you. No, thank you. No, we're
we're too

832
01:06:28,995 --> 01:06:34,319
» [clears throat]
>> Now we will move on to discussion and

833
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:40,799
possible action regarding the police
department animal pinnel project

834
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:44,559
77 in our packet. City manager.
>> I'll go ahead and turn it over to Chief

835
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Benning.
>> Thank you. Mayor Garn council members as

836
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:54,799
the council may recall previously this
item was brought up the need to

837
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:59,359
establish facility for the city and they
formed the ad hoc committee. At that

838
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:04,799
committee meeting, multiple different
options were presented and I'm here

839
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:09,680
tonight to present to the council what
was decided on.

840
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,960
If the council would guide their
attention to page

841
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:25,720
84, 85,
86. I have some photograph there for

842
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,720
reference as I go through this.

843
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:36,559
The ad that hawk committed
committee

844
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:40,720
decided uh that the 12x 246 run
prefabricated commercial kennel was the

845
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:44,240
appropriate option. It comes complete
with electrical packaging, climate

846
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:51,319
control, floor drains, dog doors,
heating system, all for the ballpark

847
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,319
figure of about $70,000.

848
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:59,680
We eliminated some of the options on
this since the writing of this packet.

849
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:04,319
Uh eliminating some of the AC related
stuff in favor of the fan and kept the

850
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:09,440
heat element for wintertime, saving us a
couple thousand dollars there.

851
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:15,119
This includes the construction of a 28T
by 18t reinforced concrete slab that

852
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:19,159
this building would sit on. That would
cost us approximately $12,890.

853
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:24,560
the installation of an automatic
electric gate system with walkthrough

854
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:30,279
access gate associated [clears throat]
fencing improvements. We have a quote

855
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,279
for that for $9,750.

856
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:36,560
At the time of writing this, we
estimated that the additional features

857
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,319
including the modification of the power
to handle this building and the

858
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:44,239
installation of the tank be
approximately $10,000.

859
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:54,120
Unfortunately, that has come in closer
to 25,000, bringing our total project

860
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:54,120
cost up in the ballpark of $125,000.

861
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:07,279
Staff is recommending that council would
authorize staff to actively seek

862
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:11,839
donations, sponsorships, grants, outside
funding sources with the goal of

863
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:16,239
securing approximately 30% of the
project costs.

864
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:21,040
That is a number I would recommend the
council discuss determine if 30% is

865
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:27,040
appropriate or if they think more or
less as far as donation grants go be

866
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,040
appropriate.

867
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:35,679
I would however
recommend that council

868
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:40,880
preemptively authorize construction of
the concrete slab as the goal for this

869
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:46,719
project was set to be completed prior to
winter arriving and contractors are

870
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:53,719
already scheduling out quite far. So
concrete collab would be one of the

871
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:53,719
cheaper parts of this at the $12,890

872
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:57,159
benchmarks.

873
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:05,440
So with that again, we're requesting
council authorize construction of the

874
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:09,733
concrete slab immediately,
authorize staff to solicit donations,

875
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:13,120
grants, and sponsorships,
[clears throat] and then direct staff to

876
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,120
return to the city council once
donations and outside funding have

877
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:21,679
totaled
whatever number the council feels is

878
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:26,239
appropriate
as a ballpark figure. The 30% of the

879
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:32,400
total project costs known right now
would be approximately $39,000

880
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:36,080
at that 30% benchmark. And with that,
I'd be happy to answer any questions or

881
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:41,840
council has.
>> Thank you, Chief Finny. Thanks for all

882
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:45,520
your diligence and looking up on me
finding all this information and thank

883
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:54,480
you for taking out the air conditioning
because well I don't have it [laughter]

884
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:58,960
but um uh I will go to Mayor Pro.
>> Thank you. Um I I sit on the ad hoc

885
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:03,280
committee so this isn't the first time
I'm seeing this. Um, I I know these

886
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:07,920
numbers are big and these numbers are
scary and I think that when we do our

887
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:12,800
budgets and it's not like Riadell's
rolling in a ton of money. Um, I do like

888
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:17,600
the idea of looking for donations and
other um, you know, funding sources, but

889
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:21,760
ultimately I don't know how much of a
choice we have about doing something

890
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:25,600
like this. Uh, what we're doing now is
hanging by a thread. We're we're doing

891
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:32,480
our best and we're doing a bangup job so
far um of of keeping cats out of the PD

892
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:35,920
and of everybody running around trying
to deal with any dogs that do come in

893
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:41,360
here. I know we have Fortuna as a backup
plan, but that's not sustainable either.

894
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:46,640
It's not going to last. I think that the
goal is to be as self-sufficient as

895
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:51,120
possible for the future. You know, um
I've talked to Chief about this. I think

896
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:55,760
85ish% of the dogs that we take in or
somebody's pet that we need to we need a

897
01:11:53,360 --> 01:12:00,800
couple days to figure it out. I don't
see this being like, oh, now we just

898
01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:04,800
have dogs that live here forever. You
know, I I think that most of these dogs

899
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,239
end up going back to their owners. Um,
and I think our PD does a wonderful job

900
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:13,760
of dealing with the ones that genuinely
don't have homes. Um, I [clears throat]

901
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:17,679
think that we kind of have to do this.
I'm in favor of the whole thing. I want

902
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:22,239
to thank public works for being
agreeable as far as like the placement

903
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:26,159
of this thing. City staff has really
banded together on this and and there's

904
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:32,080
a desperate need for us to be as
self-sufficient as possible and I think

905
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:37,120
this is our only choice. So that's me
>> in response to what Mayor Proemp just

906
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:43,840
said as a point of reference. We're
currently utilizing Fortuna kennels for

907
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:48,239
storage of our canines and cats. We only
have one, sometimes two if we can

908
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:54,159
negotiate a kennels available to us. And
I've heard from their staff that they

909
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:59,120
will be demolishing that as part of a
sewer expansion program likely next

910
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:04,880
year. So that is very short term.
>> And the last ballpark figure I got for

911
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:10,880
contracting county was in the ballpark
of 130,000 per year

912
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:14,400
» with travel time. And yes, council
member Wilson.

913
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:19,440
» Yeah. A couple questions. Do does our
current staff to are we able to handle

914
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:23,280
that with our current staff or
>> Yes, we are.

915
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:29,520
» And the the other thing is were there
were Amanda said that this was 85% or

916
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:33,440
people pets that got picked up. Were
those going to Miranda previously and

917
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:38,400
then they wouldn't they had to go to
Miranda and get them back? Under the

918
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:42,239
previous agreement, at any time we took
any animal and couldn't find the owner

919
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:46,239
within a very reasonable amount of time,
hour or two, then the animal would be

920
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:51,199
taken to Miranda's. They would have to
come to us, pay their fees, and then go

921
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:56,000
out to Miranda's rescue, pay their fees.
>> So now that'll all be done basically in

922
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,719
house to to the city with
>> Yes.

923
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:02,960
» And then then do we have a do we have to
add something to the budget to feed

924
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:06,719
these dogs and cats or do we
>> I think

925
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:10,480
It can be covered under the existing
budget. It's not a very expensive cost,

926
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:15,360
a couple hundred dollars a month. We're
not storing very many animals there long

927
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:19,920
term. And we can always seek community
donations for assistance,

928
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:25,760
» which we have lined up already if
necessary. So, yeah,

929
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:32,000
» sounds good. It sounds
at least we know what's going on

930
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:35,520
» instead of being blind to what we were.
Thank you.

931
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:41,600
» Thank you. Council member Wall,
>> I I like the idea, but I hope that

932
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:45,360
sometime we can maybe sit down and talk
about more of the little things that

933
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:50,159
we'll have to handle, you know, if we
have them, how long we're going to keep

934
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:55,360
them. Um, vetinarian if they need that.
I I don't want to make any mistakes that

935
01:14:52,880 --> 01:15:01,760
others have made in keeping animals.
Yes. Here. I want to make sure it's all

936
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:04,719
and if we need um if we're going to
we'll be charging people when they come

937
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,560
to get their pets.
>> Yes. If your animals get picked up and

938
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:12,640
they're housed by the police department,
you are stored the fees for your dogs

939
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:17,280
wearing boots and those fees do increase
with rate currency.

940
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:21,840
» Okay. But at some point, I mean I I
would vote for this tonight, but can we

941
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:24,480
at some point can we have a meeting and
talk about all the little stuff that

942
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,920
might
>> Absolutely. This is a discussion item. I

943
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:31,840
The only thing I'm recommending tonight
is that the council approve the

944
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:38,800
construction of the slab here tonight.
>> Okay, that's perfect. Thank you.

945
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:44,960
» Thank you. Um, and um, just looking
forward, is that from a budget

946
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:50,480
standpoint as we're talking about money
and fees and all that kind of stuff, is

947
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:54,719
that something that is within
the city's ability without going, you

948
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,520
know, in a
>> it would be something that we we would

949
01:15:56,159 --> 01:16:00,960
need to make a budget adjustment on.
This was something that wasn't predicted

950
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:04,719
during the budget cycle and when the
budget was adopted. Um the city does

951
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:10,960
have reserves and this would be a
general fund expense uh as far as I I

952
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:15,120
know and so we do have reserves to cover
things like this and so it is within our

953
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:21,360
capacity and we would still be meeting
our minimum required reserves.

954
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:27,600
Um, that's good. And and we've already
with I was also on the ad hoc committee

955
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:33,520
and we talked about volunteers to help
um to support the police department. Um,

956
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:39,040
and we've had people who have, you know,
spoken with that have said yes, they

957
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:45,280
were willing to and and it's people that
we trust, you know, not just walking

958
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:50,480
down the street, you know, random. So,
um I think that um

959
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:57,199
going forward I I agree. I don't think
we have a lot of choice and I think um

960
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:05,040
the sooner we do it
the because we do want to get it done

961
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:12,400
before winter. Um so are the that's my
um are there any questions? Anyone any

962
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:17,040
statements from public community?
>> Yeah. Yeah. When

963
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:20,159
» Alison, can you say who you are for the
>> Yeah.

964
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,600
» Oh, you are.
>> Well, I understand.

965
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:28,159
» Thank you.
>> Um,

966
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:34,480
do you um
do you require that if you take in an

967
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:40,679
animal and report it to be claimed um
that it be?

968
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:40,679
» Yes.

969
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:48,719
That that's one thing that I wondered
and there's there's something it doesn't

970
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:56,000
really have to police department or
there was something else that I

971
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:59,440
of an issue
that would could really make a huge

972
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:03,600
change
and that is

973
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:09,440
apartments
allowing pets

974
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:14,480
neutered pets.
It would be very very helpful especially

975
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:20,560
communities with a large number of
apartments

976
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:26,880
if the if the apartments did allow pets
would provide a lot more home.

977
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:34,640
And then there's
something that could go along with that

978
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:40,159
and that could be um apartments that
added patios

979
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:44,840
» to their units
and that would make a huge difference

980
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,440
in a lot of surrounding.
>> Absolutely.

981
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,520
» Okay.
>> Okay. Well, thank you. I don't know that

982
01:18:51,120 --> 01:19:02,239
that's anything we can or should we get
law private but um but it is I I agree

983
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:05,360
with you. Um I'm just saying you know
private person owns it they can do what

984
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,760
they we can't force anyone to do
anything is all I'm saying but

985
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:14,480
» but I'm but I appreciate what you're
saying and I agree absolutely that that

986
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:20,600
would actually be very very helpful
>> and then you should be charged.

987
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:20,600
» Oh, right.

988
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:28,080
Yes.
>> So, is there

989
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:34,960
any hand raise, any emails, any other
statements? Okay. Well, there is there a

990
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:41,280
motion to authorize construction of a
concrete slab for the proposed police

991
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:46,960
department animal kennel project?
And is there also to authorize staff to

992
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,560
solicit donations,
grants, sponsorships, and other

993
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,640
community funding? I'm going to stop
before I ask for this motion because I

994
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:58,719
forgot we needed to talk about
percentage.

995
01:19:56,239 --> 01:20:03,440
» Is there a percentage of donation? Is
30% good with everyone? You want it

996
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:06,880
higher?
30% good.

997
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:13,840
» Okay. 30.
>> I just had to make sure I didn't forget

998
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:18,640
that part. Okay. And so I then is there
a motion to authorize construction of

999
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:22,159
concrete slab authorize staff to solicit
donation grant sponsorships and other

1000
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:30,320
community funding sources with the goal
of securing 30% and can to direct staff

1001
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:35,199
to return to the city once the donations
and outside funding totaling 30% is

1002
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:39,280
achieved.
>> So moved. I have a motion. Is there a

1003
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,080
second? Julie,
>> we have a motion and a second.

1004
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,880
» Yes.
>> Motion carries 40.

1005
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:54,719
» Okay. Now we will move on to continued
public hearing on the objection to the

1006
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:59,239
delinquent sewer service charge for
assessors parcel number 052-122-021-00

1007
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:07,920
and consideration of a revised report of
delinquent sewer service charges. City

1008
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:11,360
manager. Thank you. I'll go ahead and
turn this over to Travis Sanborn, our

1009
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:16,880
finance director.
>> Thank you, Mayor Garn, members of the

1010
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:21,679
council. On July 7th, the council held
the annual public hearing on delinquent

1011
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:24,679
sewer charges and adopted resolution
1675-2026

1012
01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:31,520
confirming the report of delinquent
accounts. The property owner at 1231

1013
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:35,920
Iloa Avenue submitted a written
objection and asked for additional time

1014
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:41,199
to prepare a response.
The council continued the hearing on

1015
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:45,360
that one parcel to tonight. All other
parcels on the report were confirmed on

1016
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:50,320
July 7th and are not here before you
this evening. The account and is active

1017
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:53,760
is an active sewer account build
monthly. The charges are the monthly

1018
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:58,960
sewer service charge and the late
charges authorized under chapter 13.10

1019
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:03,040
and staff has reviewed the account and
can account for every line on the

1020
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:09,880
report. After the hearing, the property
owner, the council has two options under

1021
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,880
sections 13.10.244B.

1022
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:18,480
First, they can overrule the objection
and affirm the charge. Resolution number

1023
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:22,719
1675-2026
already confirms the report, including

1024
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:26,400
this parcel. So, no further action is
needed and staff files a report as

1025
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:32,080
confirmed.
Second, remove or reduce the charge.

1026
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:35,080
That requires adopting resolution number
1677-2026

1027
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:44,639
which confirms a revised report and
amends resolution 1675 to this parcel

1028
01:22:41,679 --> 01:22:49,040
only. Every other partial every other
parcel is unaffected.

1029
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:53,840
Staff recommends the council overrule
the objection and affirm the charge is

1030
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:58,480
confirmed and any account paid in full
on or before August 6th is removed from

1031
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:03,120
the report and nothing is placed on the
tax bill. That option remains open

1032
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:06,719
regardless of your action tonight.
That concludes the staff report. Believe

1033
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:10,320
the property owner requested time to
prepare a response and is here to

1034
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:13,920
present and I'd return it to the mayor
to open the continued hearing.

1035
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:18,480
» Thank you. We'll open the continuing
hearing and invite [clears throat] Dr.

1036
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:26,800
Sorry about having to bring my laptop.
>> Doesn't matter. Just

1037
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:31,280
» everything
you don't have one second. My name is Al

1038
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:37,040
Petrovich. I live in Riadell.
>> And before I before you go, I just want

1039
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:44,080
to say this item is it's got a 10-minute
limit. And also this is not up to be a

1040
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:47,679
discussion with staff. You've already
had your discussions with staff. This is

1041
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,120
you're just speaking with the council.
>> That's fine.

1042
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,239
» Thank you.
>> Yes. And thanks for 10 minutes instead

1043
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:56,320
of three.
>> There you go.

1044
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:02,960
» Well, it's it's going to be difficult to
cover over 160 years of history in this

1045
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:07,120
country in 10 minutes. But let me talk
about the key points. The purpose of

1046
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:12,800
government is to protect the people and
their product and no other purpose.

1047
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:17,920
Okay. Then
it's my duty to know who I am. Got to

1048
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:21,760
know who you are and who the other
entity is. Well, I've done a lot of

1049
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:27,760
research on the other entity called
government. It turns out the government

1050
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:33,239
all of it is corporation incorporated
and for profit and I've got proof.

1051
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:44,520
I want to have this if I can to you and
this is it is an internet

1052
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,520
each one of those.

1053
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:57,440
So back back in the history they
converted us to a corporate run and they

1054
01:24:53,920 --> 01:25:02,239
eliminated our actual lawful government
and it happened in 1860s with the civil

1055
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:06,960
war and you can look it up and the
problem is we got schools that don't

1056
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:11,440
teach us this. There's enough
information on this paper here that you

1057
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:15,840
will be able to uncover that 160 years
history. Now, I'm going to have to skip

1058
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:21,760
forward because of my time limit to the
Federal Reserve. It's a private entity.

1059
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:26,320
There's no authorization board in our
government. How does this happen? We

1060
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:30,800
have corporations running. Even the city
of Radell is incorporated.

1061
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:38,400
And there's another way to prove it. You
all have Dun and Brad Street numbers.

1062
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:43,199
That's for-profit corporations list.
I don't happen to have those numbers

1063
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:47,060
with me tonight, but I do have. And so
what happened was once the Federal

1064
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:52,400
Reserve took over, in order to
[clears throat] legitimatize, when you

1065
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:58,639
read this, you'll see it, they had to
provide a remedy for the people. And the

1066
01:25:55,120 --> 01:26:03,199
remedy is House Joint Resolution 192.
That remedy is that because they took

1067
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:08,000
all of our gold and our ability to pay
bills, which is what we're talking about

1068
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:16,080
tonight, we don't have any money. They
took it. So, they had to pass House

1069
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:21,440
Joint Resolution 192, 1933,
the bills, the responsibility of the

1070
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:27,440
United States Corporation, all of them.
Yours, mine, every one of them,

1071
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:31,840
mortgages, you name it. And if you look
on here

1072
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:36,600
on the second page, it's actually second
page. I I underline not

1073
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:43,199
» with they needed plausible deniability.
And even when the people knew they had a

1074
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:47,600
remedy and pursued it, the attorneys,
judges, and legislators could act that

1075
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:52,080
they did not understand the people's
claims. requiring the public schools to

1076
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:56,239
teach civics, government, history
classes, and approved politically

1077
01:26:53,600 --> 01:27:00,719
correct textbooks also assured people
would not find the remedy. For a long

1078
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:04,880
time, they found it.
Passing new state and federal laws that

1079
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:09,840
appeared to subject people to rules and
regulations added another level of

1080
01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:14,320
protection against people finding their
remedy. In 1933,

1081
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:19,040
the United States put its insurance
policy in place with House Foot

1082
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:23,679
Resolution 192, recorded it in a
congressional record. It is there.

1083
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:29,600
The man who read that into the record,
his name was Lewis T. McFaden. He

1084
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:33,199
brought formal charges May 23rd, 1933
against the Board of Governors and the

1085
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:38,880
Federal Reserve System, the controller
of the currency, Secretary of State, the

1086
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:44,159
Treasury, and uh I'm going to skip ahead
a little, Mr. McFaden claimed on June

1087
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:49,360
10th, 1933. This ought to put chills in
your bag. Mr. Chairman, we have in this

1088
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:54,320
country one of the most corrupt
institutions the world has ever known. I

1089
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:59,520
refer to the Federal Reserve Board and
the Federal Reserve Banks. House Joint

1090
01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:03,760
Resolution 192 is the insurance policy
that protects the legislators from

1091
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:08,400
conviction for fraud and treason against
the American people. It also protects

1092
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:13,280
the American people from damages caused
by the actions of the United States for

1093
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:19,040
speaking like he did. Mr. McFaden was
poisoned by the powers that be by the

1094
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:23,280
agents of the federal corporation.
This is all the history. So I study

1095
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:28,320
history and to study history you study
law. That's the only place you're going

1096
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:34,960
to find the real history. So on the city
I did a a public records request and I

1097
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:40,639
found out that you four members of the
council I was furnished for those

1098
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:44,800
all four of those are improper. They're
short versions of what's in the

1099
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:52,480
California constitution and I've got
copies of that. I don't have enough

1100
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:58,320
but the point is without a proper oath
and bond you have no power and never had

1101
01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:04,400
it. that has to be in place before you
sit in those seats and the bond has got

1102
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:10,000
to be recorded and accept and it should
be in the county recorder's office.

1103
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:15,280
My point is that I'm not here to
chastise you in the council because

1104
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:20,639
there's a lot of it's either ignorance
or you're willfully and intentionally

1105
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:25,600
part of the scheme. These are the only
two choices and I'm hoping it it's just

1106
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:29,679
ignorance. years ago. I laid
constitutions down here all the time

1107
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:32,320
when I came up to speak, right?
>> Yeah. Do you remember me?

1108
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:36,560
» I did remember you
>> from 14 15 years ago.

1109
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:40,080
» Oh, I don't know if I remember.
>> I met you on the beach before you became

1110
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,000
a council member.
>> I do.

1111
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:46,719
» You remember? Yeah.
>> And I told you about this and you

1112
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:51,760
thought it was too big of a conspiracy,
which is understandable. When I first

1113
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:57,040
learned about it 25 plus years ago, I've
been digging ever since. So my point

1114
01:29:53,920 --> 01:30:01,199
being is that these governments,
including this one, are for-profit

1115
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:06,800
organizations. Where the money is, I
don't know. There used to be uh caffers.

1116
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:11,120
Is there still cappers? Comprehensive
amal financial. Well, I'm not supposed

1117
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:17,600
to talk to him.
Okay. I've got a lot more now. I've got

1118
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:21,679
25 years of learning. And I learned that
everything they taught me in school was

1119
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:25,760
not what's going on in this country. The
corporations we're dealing with are

1120
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:30,639
foreign.
Great Britain. Great Britain, I found

1121
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:34,400
out, is not a country. It's a
corporation.

1122
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:38,960
And that's what's running this country
as part of it. The rest of it is through

1123
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:43,600
the Roman civil law, through the the
Pope of all things.

1124
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:48,800
He is the one that can he is the one
that creates any corporation and can

1125
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:54,480
deny it. Right now, this matter is
before the International Criminal Court.

1126
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:59,120
And the 60 countries that are controlled
by these corporations, and this is one

1127
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:03,520
of them. And those 60 countries are
trying to withdraw from the jurisdiction

1128
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:08,000
of the International Criminal Court. And
by doing so, they've identified

1129
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:11,760
themselves. That's what's going on right
now.

1130
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:17,440
So, my point being is that that bill is
paid and all your bills are paid. PG&

1131
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:22,400
bills are paid. They know it. I did send
something to PGNA and I I don't know the

1132
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:27,600
exact system,
but it was like I was close.

1133
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:33,040
They've been paid and when we pay them,
they're getting paid a second time.

1134
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:37,600
It sounds incredible.
Do your research. There's a whole lot of

1135
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:43,120
sites on here
right here, citations where you can go.

1136
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:48,719
I've done my due diligence and I can
tell you this. You cannot force me to be

1137
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:52,639
a part of a criminal system. It's not my
nature and I don't want anything to do

1138
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:57,840
with it.
That's my argument. I've got a lot more,

1139
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:05,520
but that's a real short summary of is my
time up. No. Okay. Uh so what I'm what

1140
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:08,880
I'm asking the council to do is to do
what they should have done in the first

1141
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:14,000
place. Before you sit in the seat, you
study what your duty is. Your duty is to

1142
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:19,199
the people.
Study the Constitution. It's the

1143
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:24,800
Constitution is merely a contract. And
here's something else that might catch

1144
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:28,880
you guys. There's three of them. 1779
and up to the the corporate

1145
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:33,840
constitution. So two of them were
corporate. So where did they come from?

1146
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:39,199
What's the basis?
After the revolutionary war, there were

1147
01:32:35,679 --> 01:32:45,280
treaties. Those treaties establish the
content of the constitution. And that's

1148
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:49,920
my next area of study are the treaties.
Just like it says in the constitution,

1149
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:53,760
the constitution, all treaties
to the constitution or the ruling law of

1150
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:57,920
the land. We're talking the law of the
land,

1151
01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:03,280
supreme law of the land. What do I see?
I want to see our city become educated

1152
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:06,960
and run our our government because right
now you're a government services

1153
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:12,320
provider. I want to run our government
like it's intended to be. We all know

1154
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:16,239
something's crazy wrong with this world.
Can't put your thumb on. Well, there's a

1155
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:21,280
whole lot right here you can put your
thumb.

1156
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:25,560
Our power the the people at the
congressional level are paid.

1157
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:35,199
They're not paid. Okay. One other real
quick thing. Our military is paid by CO

1158
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:38,159
corporation which is British.
That's why they send them to war without

1159
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:41,600
a declaration of war. They're
mercenaries.

1160
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:45,760
They're for our government. It sounds
incredible and prove it. Good luck

1161
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:52,199
yourself. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you for the history.

1162
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,199
» You're laptop.

1163
01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:04,000
» So I will bring this back to the
council.

1164
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:08,480
Julie. Um, Council Member Wilson, have
any

1165
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:14,880
» Well, you're over my head. Okay. I mean,
I'm I first let me say Al, I I have a

1166
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:19,440
tremendous amount of respect for you and
your for what you've studied and what

1167
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:23,280
you presented in the past with like with
the water. They told us to shut our

1168
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:28,800
water off. Al told us some stuff about
the rights that we have and that the

1169
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:34,400
state had no right to turn our water off
and the council basically snickered at

1170
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:39,040
him that he was
a nut. And it turned it turned out

1171
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:43,360
somebody else actually had the money to
to sue the state because they had to

1172
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:48,719
check the water flow down at the bridge
in order to justify the charge to turn

1173
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:52,639
us off. They found it came back and we
got a letter that said we weren't

1174
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:58,480
required to turn our water off. We did
not do we lowered it to 50 gallons per

1175
01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:03,040
person per day. What I'm saying is
there's a lot of credibility in what

1176
01:35:00,530 --> 01:35:08,080
[clears throat] my respect for out Mr.
Petra.

1177
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:13,120
U however on this particular thing with
the U

1178
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:16,800
sewer bill
if if we were at a point where this

1179
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:25,840
could be challenged. We have a legal
counsel that we ran our system through

1180
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:29,679
and he okayed it and it appears I'm not
like I say it's over my head with this

1181
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:35,199
whole thing with the country being legal
or not legal or I got to be bonded to be

1182
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:39,679
in this chair. uh
we have a we have a water system that

1183
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:44,719
needs to be taken care of or a sewer
system that needs to be taken care of

1184
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:48,159
and the rest of the city's doing that if
they're doing it wrong. Uh welcome to

1185
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:53,280
the crowd if you want to be a part of
this. I'm not sure if you're currently

1186
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:57,520
staying in Riverdale at this time. I
wanted to come up and talk to you

1187
01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:02,400
personally, but I there's doesn't look
like anybody's in the house um with the

1188
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:07,280
way the cars are and the lights and
everything. So, I I didn't get up there,

1189
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:10,480
but um
I think you need to pay your sewer bill

1190
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:17,280
if you're going to stay here. That's
just the penalty of being there.

1191
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:23,040
» Thank you, Council Member Woodall.
I think a sew sewer bill needs to be

1192
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:29,840
paid but I also respect a lot of that he
has to say. Yes,

1193
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:36,920
» the bill needs to be paid. Yeah.
>> There anyone in

1194
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:36,920
community wants to speak

1195
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:47,040
their hand raised emails.
Then I will ask for a motion overruling

1196
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:53,520
the objection and affirming the charges
confirmed by resolution 1675 2026 in

1197
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:59,600
which case in which case no further
council action directed. So I would just

1198
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:03,040
ask for the overruling of the objection
and affirming the charges confirmed by

1199
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:07,440
resolution 1675.
>> I'll make that motion.

1200
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:13,800
» We have a motion. Is there a second?
>> A second. Motion and a second. Motion

1201
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,800
carries 4.0.

1202
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:20,280
And now we will move on to council
reports.

1203
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:24,800
Mayor,
>> well, I guess I don't got to tell you

1204
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,920
all to spay and neuter your pets, but I
still can't spay new to your pets and

1205
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:33,600
the randoms that aren't your pets,
maybe. Um, we have our nuisance advisory

1206
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:39,600
committee in this room, city hall
council chambers, 3 pm tomorrow. And I

1207
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:44,080
have a co-ad board meeting the following
Thursday via Zoom and my reduct meeting

1208
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:46,960
this month is cancelled. So I got a
short one this time. That's it. Thank

1209
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:51,600
you.
>> Thank you, Council Member Woodall.

1210
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:55,520
» Not much to say except Wildwood Days is
coming and everybody come down and enjoy

1211
01:37:53,760 --> 01:38:00,639
everything. We have lots of events and
the firemen put on a very good Wildwood

1212
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:06,080
Days and we need to support them.
>> Thank you, Council Member Wilson. Uh

1213
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:10,560
nothing much other than I have as you
know our street meeting Thursday. I

1214
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:16,239
thank you for the board giving me
direction for the council giving me

1215
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:20,960
direction and uh
>> Yes.

1216
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:27,920
» Okay. Um and I have a
site and safety commission meeting on

1217
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:34,480
Thursday. Um, and I just wanted to thank
the volunteers that Tribal Park,

1218
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:44,239
Elizabeth Warren and Susan D'Angelo and
you well and me and Julie and the city

1219
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:48,880
manager who the transport um for um all
that was done down there at Triangle

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Park. Um it's really pretty. It's
something we can be proud of when we

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walk down the street. Um hopefully um
and I want to thank uh public works who

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have figured out a way to make the water
work down there and keep those plans

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alive and thriving. So I appreciate
that. Um and also I want to thank the

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CCC who comes out who's come out five
weekends in a row to help the community

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01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:18,080
garden. Community garden was better than
it's looked. I don't ever know if it's

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01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:22,320
ever looked as good as it looks right
now. But they have come out every

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01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:28,239
weekend. They've worked, you know, from
9 till 3 and they are moving bricks,

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01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:32,159
they're moving soil, they're digging
plots, they're doing everything that is

1229
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:37,760
being asked of them, and they're doing
it with a good sense of humor and a

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01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:44,000
willingness to actually be there and do
whatever they need done. Um, uh, Jackie,

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01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:49,440
I can't remember her last name. Really
bad about that. and Elizabeth and

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01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:54,560
Kelsey, they are the main three um that
are down there and they are I mean

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01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:58,960
Jackie's down there almost every single
day. They are taking those vegetables

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01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:03,199
that they are growing and they're taking
them down to the resource center and

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01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:07,520
turning them over to the resource center
on the Wednesday before commodities day

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01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:13,440
so that the resource center can pass
them out to community. You don't have to

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01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:17,679
have a a plot. they are actually picking
those veggies and taking them down there

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01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:22,400
for the community. So, it's a true
community garden. It's truly meant to

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01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:26,560
help everyone in this community feed
everyone and keep everyone and healthy.

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01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:34,000
And so, I just wanted to give a shout
out to them. They their grand opening is

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01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:38,080
on
>> Sundays

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01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:42,239
is there's a flyer on the kiosk. Yeah,
there's a flyer on the kiosk. But I

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01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:46,800
think it's Friday, Saturday, Friday. I
know for sure Saturday they'll have the

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01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:51,280
gate open at the front on Wildwood. Even
though the Flyers have Butcher Street,

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01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:55,280
the gate will be open on Wildwood and
hopefully they were trying to work out a

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01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:59,920
shuttle. So hopefully they have worked
that out to get people like from

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01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:05,119
downtown up here. Um, but they have
really worked hard. Uh, Jen, you'll see

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01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:10,159
a sign that's going to be up there. It
is absolutely beautiful. She painted it.

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01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:15,280
She hand painted it. It looks like sign
that we said we wanted on on the

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01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:23,119
highway. Riadell Community Garden with
the logo with the redwood trees with the

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01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:26,719
bluffs and um it's like four 4 by eight
4 by eight I mean and and she hand

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01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:31,360
painted the whole thing and it is
absolutely beautiful. So I want to thank

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01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:33,920
her as well and um I think that's all
that I have.

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» Yes. You know, when we were talking
about the triangle part, I wanted to

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01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:42,000
thank Cindy Treadwell because she's
>> she kind of got it on her after she

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01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:47,199
weeded the whole thing.
>> Absolutely. And that's sort of got us

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01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:51,840
rolling and I apologize Cindy if you're
paying attention. Julie was right and I

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01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:57,360
apologize. Thank you very much. Uh Cindy
Treadwell. So um I think that is all and

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01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:00,880
I will ask for a motion to adjurnn. So
move

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01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:10,239
» a motion a second.
>> Meeting adjourned until August 4th, 2026

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at 6 p.m. Thank you everyone for coming.