[5:25] It's a clock. We'll call the meeting to order. [5:30] » Steve, would you uh do the pledge of allegiance for us? [5:40] I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic [5:46] for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and [5:52] justice for all. [5:58] » Okay, roll call. George Salin here. [6:03] » Deborah Vaness here. David Collins, >> Jeff Au [6:08] » here, >> Steven Ber [6:09] » here, >> Lori Bennell [6:11] » here. >> Okay, this is time for uh public [6:15] comment. Uh this time is afforded to the public to address any matter that's not [6:19] on the agenda. Limit of 5 minutes and 30 minutes total. [6:24] Is there any public comment? [6:30] Okay. Any questions, comments, corrections to the October minutes? [6:38] » Make a motion that we approve them. >> Second. [6:58] Okay, the motion is accepted. Five to zero. [7:01] I'll explain the meeting procedure for tonight. Um I will announce the agenda [7:05] item that we have. Uh staff Mr. Zittoart will uh describe the project and the [7:12] staff report and any staff recommendations. Uh I will open this [7:18] discussion uh with the commission. Uh, I will allow for public hearing and inform [7:22] the audience that those wishing that to speak on the item are to approach the [7:25] podium and state their name and address. That includes the applicant's testimony, [7:30] the proponent's testimony and including any written testimony as well as theo [7:34] opponent's testimony in which time the applicant will have a chance to rebut [7:38] any questions, concerns. Uh I will then close the public hearing [7:43] and we will discuss the further the item further and at that point uh public [7:49] testimony will not be taken except for if we have additional questions for [7:53] myself or the commission. The planning commission will then act upon the item [7:57] and after which um I will inform the audience which is you of the vote. Uh [8:03] you do have a right to appeal and there is a fee for that and make sure that you [8:07] sign in uh in the registration in the back. [8:12] Okay. So, we our first item is and our only item is the public hearing for the [8:18] general plan amendment use and amendment and the reszoning for 1408 and 1444 West [8:24] Main Street. Kim, what do you have for us? [8:26] » Thank you, Mr. Chairman, fellow commissioners. At this point, I'd like [8:30] to introduce the staff report into record. Um so tonight I'll be presenting [8:35] uh the proposed general plan amendment and reszone for the properties located [8:39] at 1408 and 1444 West Main Street. Uh the requested to change the zoning for [8:45] professional office for uh uh two community commercial to allow the [8:50] establishment of a small animal veterinary hospital within a portion of [8:54] the building uh located at 1444 West Main Street. [8:59] Uh the two buildings on these parcels total just over 15,500 square feet u of [9:05] commercial or office space. [clears throat] The building at 1408 um [9:10] contains five suites and totals about 8,400 square ft. And the building at [9:16] 1444 West Main Street contains four suites in total uh just a little bit [9:21] over 7,000 square ft. The applicant proposes to uh place a 4,300 foot uh [9:27] small animal clinic within suites C and D of the the building located at 1444 [9:34] uh West Main Street. Under the current uh professional zoning, uh veterinary [9:39] hospitals are not permitted. Um by contrast though, the community [9:43] commercial district uh allows veterinary uses while still allowing general office [9:48] uses as well. Uh because of this, the C2 zone is more flexible and better aligned [9:53] with the mix of commercial and services along um the west main corridor. [10:00] Um why is a reszone appropriate in in this instance? There are a few reasons [10:04] here that I've noted. Uh first, the C2 designation would allow the proposed [10:09] small animal hospital uh which is currently not permitted in the PO uh [10:13] professional office district. Uh second, the uh C2 zoning, the [10:19] community commercial zoning maintains flexibility. Um a even after reszoning [10:23] the properties um many of the properties may continue [10:27] to operate as professional offices or medical offices which are currently in [10:31] those locations. The reason simply broadens the range of allowable [10:35] businesses um providing more opportunities for both current and [10:38] future tenants. [clears throat] And third, uh the change is consistent with [10:43] the surrounding land use. Uh the properties along West Main Street and a [10:47] few along Robert Avenue just at the beginning there adjacent to West Main [10:52] already include commercial and medium to highdensity residential uses. Uh this [10:57] resoning brings these two parcels into alignment with the existing land use [11:01] pattern and helps strengthen the corridor cohesion. [11:05] And then finally, the reason supports the city's economic development goals by [11:09] encouraging investment, diver diversifying services and expanding [11:14] community serving uses uh along this important commercial corridor. [11:20] Um we did evaluate the parking uh staff did uh look at the parking and traffic [11:24] implications of the pro proposed reszone. Uh across both parcels there is [11:29] a uh 67 existing parking spaces uh which exceeds kind of the most [11:34] conservative commercial requirement which would be about 62 spaces uh for [11:38] the comi for the combined square footages of the building. Uh the [11:42] veterinary clinic itself is expected to require about 17 to 19 spaces depending [11:47] on staffing levels. Uh the remaining suites on both properties will continue [11:52] to operate as low inensity office uses at this time. Um, however, they could uh [11:59] obviously change uses in the future at which at which point staff would [12:02] re-evaluate the parking situation and uh we could either approve or deny business [12:07] licenses um based on parking generation issues that might arise. So based on [12:14] this staff concludes that the parking is adequate under the proposed zoning. Uh, [12:18] regarding traffic, while commercial uses can generate higher trip counts in [12:22] professional offices, uh, the roadway ne network along West Main Street uh, is [12:28] designed to accommodate commercial um, volumes of traffic. Uh, the small animal [12:33] clinic generates moderate trip levels uh, prim primarily through scheduled [12:37] appointments. Staff does not anticipate any significant traffic impacts as a [12:42] result of the reszone. Um, the proposed reszone is consistent [12:46] with the city's general plan. Uh we did uh research that and uh and vetted that [12:52] out uh which designates this corridor uh the West Main Street corridor for mixed [12:56] commercial uses intended to serve both neighborhood and community needs. Uh the [13:02] project supports the general plan goals related to land use efficiency, corridor [13:06] revitalization, service a availability and circulation. [13:11] Um there are two primary conditions of approval associated with the project [13:15] that were listed in your staff report. Um, one would be that any interior [13:19] improvements to the building would require um to we would require building [13:25] permits uh through the building department here. And secondly, the [13:28] property at 1444 West Main Street will be required to install a new uh trash [13:34] enclosure consistent with the city's design standards. Um, currently 1408 and [13:41] 1444 share trash enclosure. Um, so this would just be aligning 1444 to to bring [13:47] it up to current standards uh for commercial re for commercial design [13:51] guidelines. Um, there is a couple staff [13:55] recommendations in the staff report there for you this evening. And um, at [13:59] this point, uh, Mr. Chairman, I'll turn it back over to you and I'd be happy to [14:02] try to answer any questions if you have any. [14:06] » Any questions, comments? >> Uh, yes. Can I have a couple questions? [14:10] So, so does the applicant own both of those buildings? [14:14] » So, the applicant is actually proposing to purchase the building at 1444 and is [14:19] applied. But, so as as a matter of consistency, we did approach the [14:23] building at 1408, the property owners there to see if they would be wanting to [14:27] reszone that building as well. So, there's not commercial zoning in the [14:31] middle of professional office zoning. Currently, the building located on the [14:35] corner of of Robert and um West Main Street. So the building furthest east is [14:42] already zoned uh commercial and then the last two buildings 1408 and this 1444 [14:48] were zoned or professional office at this time. [14:51] » Okay. >> So that'd be converting making sure [14:53] those all are consistent. >> Okay. [14:55] » Cross. >> Okay. So when when you approach the [14:58] owner of the other building are are do they want that? [15:01] » Yeah they were >> they want that change as well. [15:04] » They were fine with that. >> Okay. Okay. Um and then my other [15:06] question is about parking. Um I'm trying to um visualize if there is parking [15:13] other than in the parking lot. For example, [15:17] you know, we we had business offices and stuff and we required our staff to park [15:23] on off- streetet parking so that our parking lot was free for tenants or for [15:28] um customers. Is there off- streetet parking [15:32] on that's not really >> there's only on there's only off-site [15:36] on-site parking. I mean, there's no offsite along Main Street. Um, there is [15:40] some along Robert Avenue as you get turned around that corner and but you're [15:43] starting to head into residential areas over there. So, [15:46] » um, >> not any in Rox on Roxy either there for [15:50] staff to park. >> The parking requirements for [15:52] professional office and a lot of your retail are about the same requirements. [15:56] It's only when you get into say like restaurant uses and such where the [16:00] parking requirements go way up. >> Okay. So I say again we would be reass [16:04] we would be assessing businesses as they come forward if trying to get a business [16:08] license to see if they are going to be causing any traffic impacts or parking [16:11] impacts in there and the city can deny a building permit or business license [16:16] because of that. >> Okay. So then and I just want to re [16:20] revisit again what you said about the buildings. [16:23] So if we were to switch this then all the buildings along there would be would [16:27] all be the same. >> Correct. [16:29] » Okay. >> Yes. So currently right now the like I [16:32] said the buildings on the both buildings on the corner of Robert Maine. So I [16:35] think the one building is uh for Muan the CPA offices there that's actually [16:41] zoned commercial um as as well as the building across the street there which [16:45] has the dentist office and friend salon and such in there. They they that's a [16:50] zoned commercial as well. >> Okay. uh assist those last two buildings [16:53] that are zoned professional office >> professional office and um I'm assuming [16:59] we have plenty of professional office space in Ripen I [17:03] » uh we do have I mean there is quite a bit of professional office however you [17:07] know with commercial zoning it doesn't preclude that we do have a lot of [17:11] professional offices that are located in uh commercial zones um as well as just [17:15] office zones itself too so >> right okay thank you Mhm. [17:21] » And you just made a comment. Um Deb asked about um [17:28] the availability of professional offices. Um what is demand like right [17:33] now in or or can you speak to that even what demand is like and have we had any [17:38] shortfall there? >> Um I'm not 100% certain on that. I could [17:42] probably get some numbers as as far as how much property or land is zone [17:46] professional office versus commercial. Why would I'd have to research that and [17:50] get that information back to you. Um I don't have that off off top of my head. [17:54] Um but we we don't really track as far as in city hall here if there's a what [18:00] the demand and stuff is for that. Um typically the market kind of washes that [18:04] out. Um you know we do have professional office located kind of at the end of [18:09] Wilma here. That whole um complex down here towards the end right [18:14] by the roundabout. Um, there's office space that's in downtown which is also [18:19] it's all zoned commercial down there. So, there's a lot of office space down [18:23] there. As far as the vacancies though, I I wouldn't be able to speak to that. [18:29] » Can you speak to uh any variance between cost per square foot of professional [18:35] office space and commercial? Typically, this is just typically what [18:41] we've seen in the past is that um commercial does yield a little bit [18:44] higher um per square foot pricing. Um if if it takes a while for the uses to kind [18:52] of get that switched over, but you know, uh like a restaurant stuff would [18:56] typically pay more per square foot than a than an office use would. [19:00] » That's what my research has shown as well. I'm curious as to if this is uh [19:06] this could potentially squeeze out professional office um you know [19:11] occupants in you know in le of a higher rent payer for um commercial office [19:18] space or commercial space itself and is that something that we need to be [19:22] concerned about as a city? >> That's some yeah that it's definitely [19:26] one of the cons on the pros and cons of this. Uh there could be some higher [19:31] rates being paid for office space or competition for that. [19:35] » Do you know if the if the space where the um veterinary office wants to go in [19:41] is currently occupied or is it unoccupied? [19:44] » I believe it's currently occupied. The applicant might be able to speak to that [19:47] a little bit better. [19:51] » We you know we did just approve that project down on Main Street that's [19:54] professional offices too. >> I think there's six suites there. [20:01] And my question is um regarding the trash the the suite own or leis in 1444 [20:10] they do have their own green and black cans. They do not use the trash um large [20:16] bin at 1408. Will they be required to put in a large [20:21] bin? And I guess if the answer is yes, where do they put that and will that use [20:25] parking spaces? >> Yeah. Um, they will be required, it is a [20:29] condition, they will be required to put a trash enclosure in and it most likely [20:33] would probably affect at least two parking spaces in the whole area there. [20:40] Uh, they have not proposed a location yet for it, but um, yeah, they I mean [20:44] there's really not a spot to put it without affecting at least one or two [20:47] spaces. Yeah. [20:54] Marin Hospital. Is it going to be a 24-hour hospital or normal business [20:59] hours? >> Uh, normal business hours. Any any [21:02] business uh seeking to operate between the hours of of midnight and um 6:00 [21:06] a.m. I believe it is or 5:00 a.m. has to do a use permit. So, um they have not [21:11] applied for a use permit to operate those hours, but certainly the applicant [21:15] might be able to answer that certainly for you. [21:28] We will open the public hearing. Uh is the applicant here would wish to provide [21:32] testimony? If you do, please come up to the [21:36] microphone up here and state your name and your address, please. [21:51] Okay. My name is Mandep Kurum. Calling for regarding 1444 West Main Street. C [21:56] » could you spell your name for me? I'm sorry. [21:58] » Mandep M an A D E P. Last name spelled Gu U RM. [22:06] » Thank you. [22:09] Any question? I mean, what was I'm sorry. [22:13] » Uh, sure. I I have a couple questions. So, you're you currently do not own the [22:17] building? >> I do not. Okay. It's in it's in escro [22:20] right now. >> Okay. So, um is the building occupied [22:23] right now? >> It is. [22:25] » Okay. So, you'll be requiring the current tenants to leave so you can move [22:29] your business in there. >> Yeah. They don't have long-term leases. [22:32] » Okay. Okay. So, that's And do you currently own a a veterary business [22:36] someplace else? >> I do. [22:38] » And and are you going are you relocating or are you adding or what what what's [22:42] your business plan? >> It's additional location. [22:46] » Okay. Okay. Where's your current business located? in Stockton. Okay. And [22:50] do you live here in Ripen? >> I do not. [22:52] » Okay. >> But planning to. [22:54] » It's my city. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, let's see. [23:02] I think that's all the questions I have. Oh, the hours of operation. What are you [23:05] What are you planning for your hours of operation? [23:08] » We're planning to open to, you know, probably until 700 p.m. 6 7 a.m. to 7:00 [23:13] p.m. >> Okay. [23:17] That's all the questions I have at this time. [23:23] » That you are going to um actively market for more commercial use in the building? [23:34] » Probably not because I will keep the same tenants whoever there. They barely, [23:38] as far as I know, the building was empty for so long and they barely got tenants [23:43] and they're all brand new leases except for the chiropractor, [23:47] which where we going to be. >> That last statement [23:51] » that that's the uh I think it's a suite D, C, and D. Okay, [23:55] » that's where we're trying to be. Those are like they're the one who've been [23:58] there from >> for a year or so. The rest of the [24:01] tenants are all brand new location. I mean, brand new leases. [24:04] » Okay. [24:09] How many employees do you anticipate? >> Anywhere from four to six at a time. [24:24] » Yes. [24:37] Just a question you about [clears throat] the uh given it's going [24:42] to be a C2 uh commercial zoning and Ken stated that [24:47] that price would be higher for leases. Is it your um strategy, business [24:53] strategy to increase those lease rates as they expire or keep them the same or [24:59] nominal increases based on inflation? >> Keep them same so we can keep it [25:04] occupied. [25:10] » And my last question would be, do you intend to comply with the approval of [25:15] the zoning requirements should they be approved? [25:18] » Yes. Sure. [25:22] » Do your hospital, your veterinary hospitals generate a lot of garbage? No. [25:27] » This seems to be a bit of a issue we were talking about with the enclosure [25:31] and adding >> taking away parking space and everything [25:34] else. Does it generate >> very minimum? [25:39] Right now, the place we have is open seven days a week in Stockton and we [25:43] don't even use a we only use the small cans only. So they don't even require us [25:49] to have a big ones [26:01] possible because town needs it right now. Ripen [26:07] there's only one clinic in town and uh we are seeing so many clients out there [26:13] and as far as I know they're running two to three weeks behind for the [26:17] appointment. >> Does that come to you in Stockton? [26:21] » Yes, we do. >> So there is a demand. [26:24] » There is a big demand just like I said they're running three weeks behind as [26:27] far as I know because I have called and check on before we pick this town how [26:33] soon they can get appointment. [26:38] You know, pets are very important to a lot of people. [26:42] » I don't have any myself, but [laughter] >> No, I'm just like just like I said, [26:46] we're like in Stockton, you can get a same day [26:50] appointment and RIP is just like I said, three two to three weeks minimum no [26:54] matter what kind of emergency you have. So either they have to go to Modesto or [26:59] Stockton. [27:07] question. [27:11] » Okay, Mr. G, thank you. Appreciate it. >> Is there anyone that's a proponent of [27:15] this would like to come up and speak? >> Are there any opponents? [27:22] » Okay, we will close the public hearing and are [27:26] there any questions, comments from the commission? [27:30] » Just comments. I like I think the the addition of a veterinary clinic [27:36] would be great as Mr. Gro has said if there's demand for it. I like that idea. [27:40] what my reservations are as regard to pushing out and I know Debb you just um [27:47] talked about uh the other space that we have recently approved and that's a [27:52] positive um but I just would hate to see other professional offices pushed out or [27:59] their rates increased significantly because a retail space can afford it [28:04] more than a professional office might be able to. Uh that's one of my concerns [28:09] and the other is just this in incredible list of other possibilities um that [28:14] could go into the spot once we open up a bit of a can of worms. Um it's a pretty [28:21] significant list. I don't know that uh like an auto repair [28:26] shop it seems highly unlikely. And actually the veterinary clinic seems [28:30] like it would be a really good fit. Um but some of these others not so much in [28:36] my opinion. Maybe somebody can talk me out of that [28:40] position because I do like the idea. >> I think that's one of the reasons why I [28:46] asked the questions about what's there already there. So these other buildings [28:50] already are C2. They're and they're right next to them. So why why wouldn't [28:55] we want everything else? Why wouldn't we want it to be consistent if for [28:58] everybody to be um on the same page as far as what what can go in there? And I [29:03] know our our city I know Ken will look at when people come [29:07] with an application, he's going to look at whether or not it's fitting. Like [29:11] there's probably not going to be any auto repair shops there, I would think. [29:14] Um and then to speak to the the concerns about cost and you know, professional [29:21] offices don't get as much rent as as commercial. Um that's not our job for [29:27] the planning commission. It's it's not up to us to determine the the rents and [29:32] and what you know you you just need to let whatever is happening happen and and [29:37] as a landlord of a commercial building you have a lot of expenses. So I [29:41] understand that you got to you got to you know meet your expenses. So you need [29:45] to charge what you need to charge in order to maintain the building for your [29:49] tenants. So I don't think that we as a planning commission can control what you [29:54] know the amount of money they're charging. Well, I certainly wouldn't be [29:56] interested in trying to set rents for somebody, but this is our decision. [29:59] » Yeah. >> As to which way that building should be [30:02] zoned. >> Yeah. [30:04] » Yeah. It sets forth in motion and a change of zoning who's going to be the [30:10] who's going to lease the property and that changes traffic. That changes [30:14] everything. So, I think it to me it boils down to is this reasonzoning going [30:19] to affect um all those areas of traffic and u noise and all the other things. [30:26] But, but to your point, uh Deb, I think it's I think it's you're right to say [30:30] that there's already C2 in the area. So, why would we not make that more [30:35] consistent? Makes that does make a lot of sense. [30:41] And and thankfully Main Street is wide enough that so if you look at the the [30:46] people across the street, I don't I don't think this is going to affect [30:48] them. [30:52] » Your analysis states that the parking isn't a significant issue. And so let me [30:59] go backwards. You said that you didn't think traffic was a big issue and that [31:04] was largely based on the kind of business that's going in currently as a [31:10] veterinary clinic. However, if all of that space eventually does become [31:14] commercially occupied, uh what does that picture look like? [31:19] Sounds like from a parking standpoint, you guys have have said it's okay. From [31:23] a traffic standpoint, was that looked at as well in some way? [31:27] » Yeah, that was looked at. Um you it was kind of outlined in the in the staff [31:31] report a little bit. Um you know commercial does have a [31:36] h it does come more traffic with commercial uses obviously it can and so [31:42] that was kind of what was looked at in the in the staff report. Um it did up [31:46] the daily trips. Um however the site is designed appropriately enough to handle [31:51] the increase but it would be an increase if if the a lot of the businesses [31:55] changed over in there. I don't know the age of that building. I [31:59] assume it's sprinklered. >> Um it's yeah should be sprinklered. I [32:05] not 100% certain on that, but it it should be sprinkler. Anything over 5,000 [32:09] square feet would be sprinklered. So [32:14] » So right now >> in that space though is a chiropractor's [32:17] office, right? >> Correct. [32:19] » Okay. I can't imagine that a veterary clinic is going to have more visits than [32:23] a chiropractor. [32:28] you know, they they run those people through every 15 minutes. [32:33] » So, the comment that I have as a as a pet owner and going to Rip and Vet is [32:38] they aren't taking any new pets and you can always find a parking spot on Main [32:44] Street, which as we know is very congested uh with businesses that u have [32:49] normal business hours. So I I would say that I can't imagine there be a parking [32:54] impact of significance at least from what I can tell [32:58] » on this end right >> work on the other end and it can be [33:03] miserable if you give up your parking spot near the lunch hour and then come [33:07] back it can be really difficult sometimes but that's specific to that [33:11] time of day and completely different end of the end of the street. So, [33:16] » I have one more quick question, is um would additional lighting be needed? [33:22] » No. Um the police departments reviewed the project and they didn't have any [33:26] additional conditions beyond that. So, >> okay. [33:30] » Yeah. [33:38] » So, there's I noticed there's there are two two recommendations. So they they go [33:44] together or we could do them or or we could do one or [33:48] » they go together. One's did one's dealing with the environmental and the [33:52] second recommendation is so you are >> agreeing that the environmental it is a [33:57] um exempt categorically exempt from SQA and also you're recommending that city [34:02] council approve or deny whatever you guys decide uh the proposed general plan [34:09] use amendment and reszone. So, so, so we so we make a recommendation and then it [34:14] goes to the city council and then they decide if it's correct. Okay. [34:20] » Well, unless there's other discussion. >> Okay. [34:25] » Again, it does say even not that this would happen here, but a gas station [34:30] is permitted and it's not highlighted for a conditional use permit. [34:36] Is that >> Yeah. I mean, you can't look at this [34:40] list of uses and think all of them are going to go in there. There's like just [34:44] a question. No. Yeah. But they are those are allowed uses in the C2 zone. So, a [34:49] gas station could locate in the C2 zone. So, it [34:53] » you're more than likely >> tearing the whole building down and [34:56] trying to redevelop the site to the gas station, which brings a whole host of [34:59] other things that would come back in front of the planning commission at that [35:01] point. So, >> more serious than just a [35:03] » condition. So, but there is uses that could go locate into a suite over there [35:08] that would just come through through a staff level. And those are the ones that [35:11] we evaluate the parking um and stuff that at a staff level to look at if [35:16] we're [clears throat] going to issue a business license on that or not, if it [35:19] needs to go through a minor site plan or a major site plan. So, uh any change of [35:24] use is kind of at the discretion of the director to either handle that at a [35:27] staff level or bring it to the commission if it's significant enough. [35:31] » Okay. Thanks. One last question that just came to mind that I was thinking [35:36] about earlier. Um, the professional office zoning, the PO office zoning [35:40] allows for medical offices, obviously, chiropractors, whatever. Is animal [35:43] husbandry excluded from that? It is. It's I mean, it's not it's not allowed [35:49] in in professional office districts in in our community and and it's kind of [35:53] the same across a lot of communities. I did some of the research on that and [35:56] most most surrounding communities here uh do not allow veterinary clinics in [36:02] professional office use areas. Got it. >> Thank you. [36:06] Any other questions? Do we have a motion? [36:12] » Sure. I'll make a motion um that we find that the pro proposed project is [36:18] category exempt from the SQUA and then also that we recommend that the city [36:23] council approve the proposed general plan land use amendment and reszoned [36:28] from professional office to community commercial for the subject properties [36:33] located at 1408 and 1444 West Main Street subject to the conditions and [36:39] approval contained in the staff report. [36:46] » We have a second. [37:04] » Okay, the motion has been adopted five to zero. Congratulations and thank you [37:09] for investing in Ripen. Appreciate it. [37:14] » Make those pet owners happy. [laughter] [37:19] » Good. >> Thank you. [37:22] » You're welcome to stay if you want to hang out, but you don't have to. [37:30] » Okay, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you. [37:32] » Wait, wait, wait, wait. We have reports. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Staff reports. Nope. [37:36] Excuse me. No worries. Um, yeah, just really quick. Uh we do not have anything [37:40] scheduled at this point for the December meeting. Um we possibly could have um an [37:46] accessory dwelling unit ordinance amendment in front of you guys. Uh [37:50] there's I think Tommy's taking a look at it right now, but there's quite a bit to [37:54] it. So I'm not sure if we'll make that meeting or not, but uh that's coming [37:57] either December or January. >> Just wait. The state will make some new [38:01] rules. >> We can just we can just wait a couple [38:04] Yeah, let's just wait. >> Yeah. Well, it's like every January we [38:08] deal with a few more laws and and we got to update it. So, I think it's going to [38:11] be a yearly thing from now on, but [laughter] [38:13] » yeah. >> So, that's all we have at this point. [38:16] » Okay. Tommy, do you have a report for us? [38:21] » Okay. All right. Thank you for your time. This [38:24] meeting is journed.