1 00:00:28,960 --> 00:19:16,110 e e 2 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,200 701 I will call the common council 3 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,120 meeting for this evening to order we 4 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,360 have roll call please certainly Mr 5 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,799 Shader here Mrs shot singer here Mr 6 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,600 Hansen here Mr gallops here Mr Morrison 7 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,280 here Mrs Kane 8 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:40,350 Mr W Mr W here Mr split here we have a 9 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:44,039 quorum aliance to the flag of the United 10 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:46,880 States of America and to the Republic 11 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,120 for which it stands one nation under God 12 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:56,430 indivisible with liy and justice for 13 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,600 all Heavenly Father we thank you you for 14 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,200 this day we thank you for the many 15 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,679 blessings you have bestowed upon this 16 00:20:04,679 --> 00:20:08,159 community and its citizens father we ask 17 00:20:08,159 --> 00:20:09,840 that in these times of 18 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,280 uncertainty that we're able to look to 19 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,679 you that that uncertainty through you 20 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:18,080 will lead us to certain things moving 21 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,400 forward in our lives we pray for those 22 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,000 that are in need those that may have 23 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,280 health concerns we pray for everyone in 24 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,679 our community in our County in our state 25 00:20:28,679 --> 00:20:32,360 and in our nation father we ask that you 26 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:34,960 be with us tonight as we go through our 27 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,720 deliberations that we may do so in a 28 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,120 manner that is pleasing to you in your 29 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:50,080 name we pray amen is there a motion to approve 30 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,510 tonight's 31 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,799 agenda make a motion we approve the 32 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:57,559 agenda second and moved by David 33 00:20:57,559 --> 00:20:59,159 seconded by John 34 00:20:59,159 --> 00:21:01,400 any 35 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,400 discussion hearing no discussion all 36 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,840 those in favor of approving the agenda 37 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,000 say I I I 38 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,600 opposed agenda is approved now time for 39 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,840 public comment we have a few people want 40 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,279 to speak this evening uh this is an 41 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:18,120 opportunity for citizens to come before 42 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,320 the council with comments and concerns 43 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,320 on any current city issue knowing that 44 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,080 no action will be taken 45 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,360 tonight all that I ask is that you keep 46 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,279 a civil and respectful and within 5 47 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,840 minutes however discussion of personnel 48 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,039 or of individual members of the common 49 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,640 Council shall not be considered 50 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,320 appropriate I would also expect Council 51 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,240 to treat the citizens with the same 52 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,600 respect when I call your name please 53 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,200 step forward to the lecturn here and 54 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,919 state your name and address before you 55 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:54,039 uh start your 56 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:57,080 discussion first person is Jeff 57 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:04,510 Blackburn 58 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,400 my name is Jeff Blackburn I live at 553 59 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,360 Hall Street 60 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,000 ripping uh I'm just here 61 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,360 to bring up anything new or if anybody 62 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,240 has any questions about the ATV routes 63 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,720 and the city 64 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,840 limits um pretty much went over 65 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,320 everything in the last meeting I do have 66 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,600 some books that I've received that Ben 67 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,480 has a copy 68 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,840 um I received these they're actually 69 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,360 from the kettle Marine area from the ATV 70 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,760 clubs around that area that this is 71 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,840 their pamphlet that they use to acquire 72 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,200 routes so if anybody wants a copy just 73 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,440 let me know explains everything word for 74 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,919 word 75 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:53,880 um last night was the town of rien 76 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,000 meeting it's going to get brought back 77 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,720 up again next month they're waiting for 78 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,400 phone calls and emails to get back and 79 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,799 get any information that they've been 80 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:05,799 looking for but in the meantime since 81 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,720 the last time we met here I believe was 82 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,200 two months 83 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,960 ago 84 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,039 um some of the surrounding 85 00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:19,679 areas that are different than ripping 86 00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:22,799 but I'm just putting it out that some of 87 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,080 the other areas that I've gotten on 88 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,799 board town of Oakfield is 89 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:31,400 passed uh Nikia my Township and NEP esum 90 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Township are marked and 91 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,200 open um that connects elero and the 92 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,600 friendship 93 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,120 Township um town of Rosendale meeting 94 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:45,279 was last night uh I I asked them about 95 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:47,520 it and they wanted information as soon 96 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,360 as possible so their board members could 97 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,600 talk about 98 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,640 it um so they have their 99 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,960 information 100 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,200 um town of Rushford is open 101 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,320 the town of wapan is open and then also 102 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,240 the city of wapan has has been open and 103 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,240 uh UDA had their meeting last night and 104 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,840 they passed so they're in the process to 105 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,559 start writing an agenda uh writing the 106 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,200 ordinance and the town of atonement also 107 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,720 passed a couple weeks ago so at this 108 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,919 point everything to the south of us is 109 00:24:26,919 --> 00:24:30,320 open will be open with the town of Moman 110 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,760 and I don't know where the town of ripen 111 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,159 is really going to sit on 112 00:24:35,159 --> 00:24:38,000 it um I mean they're interested in us 113 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,039 coming and talking about it but with 114 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,320 this Co it's impossible to get people to 115 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,600 come I live in the city so what I 116 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,520 say doesn't have that much value because 117 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,080 there's nobody else there but somebody's 118 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,919 got to start the more people get driving 119 00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:58,399 around I believe and seeing the signs of 120 00:24:58,399 --> 00:25:00,440 around the community people are going 121 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,000 to ask about it cuz there's people that 122 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,559 have ATVs that have no idea that there's 123 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,919 routes so I just know from the 124 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:11,720 standpoint with some of the business 125 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,240 owners I talk to in town downtown and at 126 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,919 the retail end of town on the west end 127 00:25:16,919 --> 00:25:21,159 of town they think it would help their 128 00:25:21,159 --> 00:25:24,039 business um like the downtown people 129 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:28,679 think that the ATV traffic would get 130 00:25:28,679 --> 00:25:31,799 people to venture the long way through 131 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,960 town to travel on a mini vacation or 132 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960 something versus traveling with a car 133 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,039 like last night I use the example 134 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,039 traveling from like ashkash to Juno you 135 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,279 don't drive through downtown rien to get 136 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,520 there you go around RI and and take the 137 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,080 highway so I think there's a lot of 138 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,080 opportunity 139 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,760 for exposure for businesses that people 140 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,760 don't even know exist in the 141 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,070 town so with 142 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,760 that 143 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,840 uh in the city we don't have any streets 144 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,919 over 35 mil an hour so that really isn't 145 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:13,279 nothing to discuss but uh one thing that 146 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,279 I would like myself to see is for the 147 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,279 minimum age limit to be 16 and have a 148 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,159 valid driver's license in order to 149 00:26:21,159 --> 00:26:24,200 operate so with that you're going to 150 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,240 have people that are going to probably 151 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,240 break the law and ride that are young 152 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,720 but their parents are going to find out 153 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,480 and it's a pretty hefty 154 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,520 fine so I mean 155 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,039 it's kind of will take care of 156 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,520 itself and like the fellow said that 157 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,600 come last time you know it's going to be 158 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,720 busy at first if you would open the 159 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,720 routes in the middle of June they're 160 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,679 probably going to be super busy versus 161 00:26:48,679 --> 00:26:51,600 opening them now and having the people 162 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,120 that really want to 163 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,080 ride get out and do it now and then come 164 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,279 springtime when it's nice you don't have everybody out at one 165 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,320 time 166 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,120 so I would just mainly like to see the 167 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,550 16-year-old age limit just for 168 00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:08,799 [Music] 169 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,360 safety and that's your five minutes 170 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,120 that's it 171 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:15,720 [Music] 172 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,399 too all right thank 173 00:27:18,399 --> 00:27:22,720 you do you want you want to 174 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960 those anybody would like a copy that's 175 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,840 super informative it explains all the 176 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,120 laws 177 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,510 finds 178 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:44,269 statistics just leave with Lori she can 179 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,640 distribute I apologize though I didn't I 180 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,360 didn't have time to get it converted 181 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,679 over to the city of ripping but the 182 00:27:50,679 --> 00:27:53,120 formats for the township it's all the 183 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,039 same besides the map all right thank 184 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,840 you all right next I will call 185 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:09,710 Marcy 186 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440 Culver hi there my name is Marcy Calver 187 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,440 my address is w47 49 St Road 2373 188 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,279 Princeton 189 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,279 Wisconsin so I'm here because I own 190 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,760 Marcy's pet spa in rien I've been here 191 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,720 for about four years a little over four 192 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,880 years and I've grown and I am asking for 193 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,960 um permission to do some overnight stay 194 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,679 for dogs so um I I have a grooming salon 195 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:39,880 right now and I have a grooming Academy 196 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,440 and we have training um cat grooming dog 197 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,360 grooming um everything that we need for 198 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,679 this area but we do need um some 199 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:49,919 overnight stay for dogs a lot of my 200 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,399 clients um come to my house in the city 201 00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,480 in Princeton and we do some boarding 202 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,919 there but we just need a a safe place 203 00:28:56,919 --> 00:28:59,799 for them to be able to stay so I've sent 204 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,600 you all my um information from my other 205 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,559 two locations I have three locations um 206 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:07,080 so I've been doing this for about 15 207 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,799 years and I have two really successful 208 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,880 um boarding facilities up in one in West 209 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,159 Salem and one in Sparta they're about 210 00:29:15,159 --> 00:29:18,679 10,000 square fet I have about 40 211 00:29:18,679 --> 00:29:21,559 employees and we do um a lot of 212 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,080 overnight boarding so um I just feel 213 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,159 like it's really needed for my ripping 214 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:27,720 clients to have a place to put their 215 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,679 dogs for a safe like a safe stay um so 216 00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:33,760 as you can tell on the papers we do um 217 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,840 rooms we don't do kennels so we do like 218 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,519 a I think they're like a 4x4 inch or 4x4 219 00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,240 foot room some of them are 5x5 um Katie 220 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,679 can give you more information on that 221 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:46,480 but um and they're just a room for them 222 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,640 to stay in with like a noise barrier and basically they have um just a nice 223 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,159 easy place to stay so we don't do 224 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,240 canaline so that's just something I've 225 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,080 never wanted to do or never believed in 226 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,440 because I wouldn't want my dogs to be in 227 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,159 a 228 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,159 kennel so that's what we've done and 229 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:04,039 I've done that for about 13 years in 230 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,480 West Salem I have 35 um rooms up there 231 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120 um soundproof beautiful rooms as you can 232 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,039 tell um so that's what kind of what I'm 233 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:14,720 asking to do and the building that I'm 234 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,320 looking to purchase I gave you the 235 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,519 information on is the old um New Image 236 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,799 building in town on 237 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:24,600 23 and um it's perfect for what I'm 238 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,279 wanting to do because I want to do like 239 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,159 a joggy um Hotel Airbnb very very nice 240 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:33,480 rooms very soundproof um and just like 241 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,399 an extension of my business and only 242 00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:37,799 really from my clients so usually all my 243 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,679 boarding clients have to be a client of 244 00:30:40,679 --> 00:30:43,159 mine from a nail trim or something so we 245 00:30:43,159 --> 00:30:45,200 kind of compact the business so that's 246 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,559 kind of what I'm asking to do um that 247 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:50,000 building is perfect for me I would 248 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,399 extend I would keep both locations for 249 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:55,760 now and eventually um eventually down 250 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,279 the road probably just have the one but 251 00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,200 I would keep them both both and um right 252 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,960 now I have grooming I have boarding I 253 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,159 have grooming I have a grooming Academy 254 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:07,039 training and I just think that this is a 255 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,080 something that rien could use and um 256 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,880 yeah and I plan to make if you can see 257 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,360 the rooms very soundproof very safe and 258 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,279 we don't plan on doing a daycare ever 259 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:18,720 but we what we do is we have a little 260 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,360 room set aside for our boarding dogs so 261 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,240 they go in the their Suites at night and 262 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,440 they go in the little room during the 263 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,799 day so there's very little barking my 264 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,480 West salum location we have we we're in 265 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,360 a residential um business area but we're in a business area but our whole 266 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,960 area is residential so we're round 267 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,600 houses and we have had no complaints so we take the dogs out of the boarding 268 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,799 Suites at about 6:30 in the morning then 269 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,559 they're in a little play area through 270 00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:44,600 the day and then we put them back in 271 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,760 about 8:30 at night so they don't stay 272 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,039 in their suets all day they're very 273 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,080 tired they sleep good so I just really 274 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,519 am hoping that riffen will allow me to 275 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,000 do this cuz I think it'll be a really 276 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,559 good extension um for the area so we 277 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,679 only want to do 10 rooms in the basement 278 00:31:58,679 --> 00:32:01,039 of this building for this 279 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,360 so yeah and I think I sent you guys all 280 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,200 my information so um I'm I will if this works out and it's approved I 281 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,840 will put an offering on the building and 282 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,720 go forward and I out and our outdoor 283 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,399 area will be about 15 to 20 um it's not 284 00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:20,240 a big area um just for um the boarding 285 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,840 dogs to go out during the day but it 286 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,639 will be a vinyl fence or a wood fence 287 00:32:24,639 --> 00:32:27,279 and it'll be a small area so we do a lot 288 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,840 of um boarding dogs will get walks 289 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,519 because we'll only have 10 of them so um 290 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,440 it's pretty basic and simple I don't 291 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,679 I've been doing this a long time I 292 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,720 haven't had any issues um my other 293 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,279 location is in Sparta by Fort McCoy we 294 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,320 have 35 boarding Suites in both of L's 295 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,919 locations so this one will be a smaller 296 00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:46,880 level and it'll just I think it'll be a 297 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960 really great addition to my business and 298 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,320 what this area needs and I'm really 299 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880 hoping that rippen will see it as like 300 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,840 an Airbnb or a doggy Hotel type 301 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,760 environment so so it's a it's uh very 302 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080 minimal boarding Suites and I'm hoping 303 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,760 that um we can just ease the pain for 304 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,000 this area because there's nowhere to 305 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,559 take your dogs for an overnight stay 306 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,760 that people feel comfortable with so 307 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,120 that's what I'm asking 308 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,399 for all right um if you stick around the 309 00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:16,399 council members might have some 310 00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:17,919 questions for we get to that discussion 311 00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:21,320 I okay great thank you thank you uh 312 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:29,149 Katie henriksson 313 00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:33,279 hi um Katy Henrickson West Salem W 4183 314 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,080 sesa Drive um I just kind of wanted to 315 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,279 back up what Marcy said so I run our 316 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,919 West Salem location um so that's our 317 00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:44,559 really main busiest location um and I 318 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:45,600 don't know if you guys have any 319 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,279 questions about how we do our overnight 320 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,960 pet stay there but um she kind of hit on 321 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,639 all the main points it's a a 5x5 squ 322 00:33:53,639 --> 00:33:56,600 foot room a suite we call it so um I 323 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,559 take people on tours a lot through there 324 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,840 and I'm always impressed by people are 325 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,679 so happy that they get to see the room 326 00:34:02,679 --> 00:34:05,159 their dog stays in and it's not a kenel 327 00:34:05,159 --> 00:34:07,639 um generally we've had a lot of good 328 00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:11,560 success with our pet STS at W Salem so 329 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,440 um I'm here maybe later if people have 330 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,839 more questions about that I'd love to 331 00:34:14,839 --> 00:34:15,919 answer 332 00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:20,030 them yeah thank 333 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,599 you all right uh that is all I have for 334 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,599 public comment so next order businesses 335 00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:29,560 to accept the 336 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,839 uh um I have a comment I I think it 337 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:37,679 would be incredibly remiss if the C the 338 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,520 council did not commend um an and her 339 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,240 election crew for the wonderful job that 340 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:48,560 they did uh with the the national 341 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,200 election local state um but record 342 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,280 turnout um talked with many people they 343 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,320 said the process was well done 344 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:06,800 was quick was safe um well run and um I I think they deserve it commodation 345 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,660 for all of their 346 00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:17,069 [Music] 347 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,320 efforts thank you 348 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,880 L all right uh now we'll move on to 349 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,440 accepting the uh reports from standing 350 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,160 committees and staff is there a motion 351 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,589 to do that 352 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,160 I I would like I want to make a motion 353 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,040 to pull item number seven uh the report 354 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,870 of the senior 355 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,790 center I don't I 356 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,480 need is that a motion to approve 357 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,440 everything with the exception of item 358 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,240 number seven that is correct 359 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,950 second has been moved and seconded any 360 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,040 discussion hearing none other those in favor of approving the uh 361 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,839 committee reports except for item number 362 00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:05,520 seven say I I I opposed those are 363 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,319 approved 364 00:36:07,319 --> 00:36:09,599 anding the reason why I pulled that is 365 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,079 that I just wanted to take a moment to 366 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,560 highlight uh to the public that our 367 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520 director of the senior center naren uh 368 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,040 did ask us for help to spread the word 369 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,640 that there are meals available to All 370 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,599 fondak County residents 60 and older uh 371 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,800 or having a spouse who's 60 or older and 372 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,800 that um that the meals are available 373 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,280 Monday through Friday except for 374 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,280 holidays for a $3 suggested donation and 375 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,440 especially during this time of a 376 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,160 challenging times I wanted to just make 377 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,000 sure that our folks all throughout the 378 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,160 county know that they can contact the 379 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:50,990 senior center and um get get a a a warm 380 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,079 meal and so this is why I pulled that 381 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,520 item and so at this point I move to 382 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,160 approve item number seven the report 383 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,839 from the Senior Citizens Center is there 384 00:37:02,839 --> 00:37:06,599 a second for that second mov by Jolene 385 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,760 seconded by David any discussion 386 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,880 Jim the senior Senate will not be 387 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,560 delivering those meals and they are not 388 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,160 coining those meals correct they have to 389 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,920 get a friend or relative to go pick up 390 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,800 those 391 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,400 meals with the covid situation I do not 392 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,920 believe with the fin County that we can 393 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,440 be delivering those correct so um I do 394 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,560 think just so people are aware we're not 395 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,640 delivering that they can we will help 396 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,640 them arrange getting a meal yes so here 397 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,920 it says the direct language which is 398 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560 also available I believe on our website 399 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,480 when we submit this you know the reports 400 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,000 correct um all reports are available on 401 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,079 the website under the 402 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,839 minutes uh of the meeting laor did you 403 00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:49,760 are you shaking your head yes that this 404 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,720 will be up on in the minutes there the 405 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,280 yeah the minutes are the whole agenda 406 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,960 packet is on the website everything you 407 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,680 have before for you yeah so um thank you 408 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,440 uh Mr word for saying that so A Friend 409 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,319 neighbor or relative May pick up the 410 00:38:03,319 --> 00:38:05,240 meal and bring to the recipient if the 411 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,480 recipient is unable to get the meal so 412 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,599 that's a very good point and the meals 413 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,520 are take home and eat you do not come to 414 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,640 the senior center to pick to to eat to 415 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,790 eat them 416 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,910 yes any further discussion or 417 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,079 questions all those in favor of 418 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:30,680 approving item number seven say I I I 419 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,640 opposed that's 420 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,079 approved uh tonight on the consent 421 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,359 calendar we just have the minutes from 422 00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:39,119 several meetings is there a motion to 423 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,640 approve 424 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,880 that motion to approve it second by Ben 425 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,910 seconded by John any 426 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,040 discussion hearing none all those in 427 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,760 favor of approving the consent calendar 428 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,640 say I I opposed that is approved 429 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,599 moving on to discussion items uh first 430 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,440 item is the pet 431 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,520 boarding anyone like to start the 432 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,680 discussion or we' kind of got a synopsis 433 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,520 already what what is what is what is 434 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,400 going on yeah what is the deal with this 435 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,720 whole thing do you want to start this I 436 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,400 will I will Lori and I have had some 437 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,440 discussions with Marcy and Marcy and I 438 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,440 have had some discussions over the last 439 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,119 couple of weeks regarding this concept 440 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,359 and she presented it very well to the 441 00:39:28,359 --> 00:39:30,880 body in the sense that she has an 442 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,720 existing business but the business that 443 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:37,040 she has does not allow for kenneling or 444 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,880 boarding those are the words in our 445 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200 current ordinance and kenneling or 446 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,839 boarding can only take place in a zone 447 00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:48,800 of agricultural there's is no other 448 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,560 kennel or bordering boarding of animals 449 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640 anywhere else in the city so what she's 450 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,520 indicating is she's ated a property in a 451 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,359 particular Zone and I think it's is that 452 00:40:02,359 --> 00:40:06,599 B2 Lori yes B2 Zone uh that may be 453 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,119 perfect for her needs if it were to be 454 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,480 permitted it is not permitted so this 455 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,440 evening what she is seeking from the 456 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,200 common council is direction that this 457 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,319 matter be referred to the plan 458 00:40:21,319 --> 00:40:25,599 commission to amend the ordinance to 459 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,359 reflect that there is a another type of 460 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:32,079 activity other than kenneling or 461 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,400 boarding and Lori and I went back and 462 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,800 forth in terms of trying to come up with 463 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,760 a name and I think this evening pet 464 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000 hotel may be as good as any quite 465 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,240 frankly pet Spot pet pet Spas doesn't 466 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,560 suggest overnight pet hotel does so 467 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,839 maybe it's a pet hotel that we would 468 00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:55,560 consider as a city in certain zones with 469 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,839 restrictions on condition use granting 470 00:40:58,839 --> 00:41:01,440 within that zone right now there is no 471 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,480 way that she can do this there is no way 472 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,280 that this would be permitted at that 473 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,040 location she'd have to find an 474 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400 agricultural location under the current 475 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,599 written words of our ordinance so that 476 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,599 is what she is seeking and essentially 477 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:18,480 it's a motion from this body if they 478 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680 have any interest and I think she did a 479 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,040 good job of presenting it and there's 480 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,960 someone here to answer other questions 481 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,800 is to move it to the plan commission to 482 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,720 study whether or not pet hotels at 483 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,520 certain locations in the city would be a 484 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,480 new use of property in certain zones 485 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,760 with certain 486 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,720 restrictions then for the sake of 487 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,760 additional discussion I'll make a motion 488 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,680 move to the plan Planning Commission for 489 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,520 consideration second move B seconded by give it to 490 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,359 John any further discussion on this 491 00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:00,440 topic 492 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000 tonight and and then it will come back 493 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,800 to us for final approval of the 494 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,240 ordinance so that we'll come back to 495 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,480 council again absolutely the plan 496 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,800 commission is going to take a look at it 497 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,160 um it seemed like a reasonable offer 498 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,040 certainly other communities have done 499 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,200 this it to me seems to be different than 500 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,200 kenneling and boarding and so it is 501 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,920 something to at least look at as a 502 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,319 community and where that may be 503 00:42:27,319 --> 00:42:29,520 appropriately situated in our community 504 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,960 and again keeping the string of 505 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,480 conditional use available if it were to 506 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,400 be granted in a given 507 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,319 situation the only other comment would 508 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:40,240 be with the plan commission to look at 509 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,440 um possibly with our present day pet 510 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,160 ordinance as far as the community with 511 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,680 needing approval of surrounding areas or 512 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,839 something like that not sure if it's 513 00:42:50,839 --> 00:42:52,400 pertinent or not but it may be something 514 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,079 to look at because then if we Chang this 515 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,680 one then we're changing another one 516 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,880 uh in a residential area instead of a B2 517 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,359 that's why I think the definition is so 518 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:03,960 important correct I think the definition 519 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,800 defining a pet hotel as opposed to 520 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,160 liberalizing 521 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,720 kenneling um I think is really the key 522 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,800 to it and I think Marc did a good job of 523 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,960 laying out that it's different and the 524 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,319 definition of what that means in a state 525 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:27,710 exactly exactly thank you 526 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,160 um so I know that the the purpose of our 527 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,720 council is to make sure when anything 528 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,599 new is is brought forth that we make 529 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,400 sure all of our eyes are dotted te's are 530 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,800 crossed um but I'm conscious that the 531 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,880 person that brought forward this change 532 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,480 Marcy who's here tonight um is looking 533 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,280 at needing to put in a a bid to even uh 534 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,079 have this project be considered for her 535 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,520 I don't know how timely that is but I'm 536 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,960 conscious that bringing this to plan 537 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,200 commission and then coming back here 538 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,800 what what is the estimated time frame 539 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,200 that this process will be before it 540 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,880 could be approved officially yeah it's 541 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,400 as quickly as the plan commission can 542 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,640 move on it and you can make an offer 543 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,640 contingent on the approval she 544 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,599 absolutely can so I think that she can 545 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,599 do that if she gets a sense that this 546 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,160 Council might be positive to it I I 547 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,839 think that um I don't know what type of 548 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:23,000 indication uh we it's a motion that L 549 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960 has made would be assigned to her that 550 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,800 at least it's moving forward 551 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,839 and I think the strength of her argument 552 00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:33,000 lies in the details and I think you saw 553 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,480 that she's done her homework so um you 554 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,440 know nobody can guarantee it right 555 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,079 nobody can guarantee it and and you're 556 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,400 not making those kind of motions on a 557 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,680 zoning question uh you know I appreciate 558 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,200 what you're saying but it's amending a 559 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,520 zoning ordinance that has to take place 560 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,800 there is no other way around this we 561 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,520 can't suddenly stand up and say oh never 562 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,559 mind our ordinance and I'm not asking 563 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:55,880 for that to be clear no no no I 564 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,400 understand I I just want to make it 565 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,400 clear to the listening public and to uh 566 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,680 the potential applicant that if I if 567 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,240 Lori and I could find another way to 568 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,040 bring it to the common Council we 569 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,119 probably would have there is only one 570 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,880 way and that's to amend the law and 571 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,880 there's a process for that and that's 572 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:20,510 the motion that's been made this 573 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,200 evening yes I'd just like to say I've 574 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160 personally been at Marcy's West Salem 575 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,200 location it Top Notch is clean they have 576 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,960 good workers um every the customers feel 577 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,760 safe dropping off their their pets so um 578 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,280 I would say it would be a good fit in 579 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,480 ripping if we can make it work legally 580 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:50,030 in that 581 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,000 location you just looking to make an 582 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,160 exception for this one case or are we 583 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,119 changing the law completely changing the 584 00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,839 law and that's why that's why I preface 585 00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:01,200 my comments that I think you want to 586 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,359 distinguish it from boarding and 587 00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:05,920 kenneling and so Lori and I have kind of 588 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,800 kicked it back and forth and Marcy was 589 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,599 aware of my concerns and I think as good 590 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,800 as anything is pet hotel and I think 591 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,760 John's comments kind of tie back into 592 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,280 that So the plan commission's got to 593 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,839 wrestle with definition okay um just 594 00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:22,400 going to get the definition and make 595 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,440 where a B2 can be 596 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,280 a hotel yep okay that hotel conditional 597 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,280 use in B2 zoning is probably as 598 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,359 expansive as we would get I don't think 599 00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:38,040 uh anybody here is looking to stick it 600 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,839 in a residential area or anything like a 601 00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:43,960 residential area but B2 has many types 602 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,839 of uses right that one could argue are 603 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:51,200 sometimes noisy sometimes busy sometimes 604 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,160 whatever other objections you might have 605 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:59,950 to it 606 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:05,670 any other questions 607 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,400 comments hearing none all those in favor 608 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,559 of uh moving this item to be referred to 609 00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:17,319 the plan commission say I I 610 00:47:17,319 --> 00:47:19,680 opposed all right that will be taken up 611 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,839 by the plan commission so Merc you 612 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,680 understand what's going on do you 613 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,960 understand the next steps going to plan 614 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,079 commission I think so yeah yeah we'll 615 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,640 come back here so Lori will be in touch 616 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,760 with you and let you know in the plan 617 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,160 commission when it'll be on the agenda 618 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,079 so you guys can be part of that sorry 619 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:36,359 laor will get in touch with you guys 620 00:47:36,359 --> 00:47:37,280 when it's going to be on the plan 621 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,200 commission so then you can be part of 622 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,800 that yeah and I know L just said my real 623 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,559 like um if I I know you can't give me a 624 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:44,880 time frame but I'm probably going to put 625 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,680 an offer on the building just contingent 626 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,040 with this because I don't want someone 627 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,119 else to get it but I haven't seen much 628 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,040 interest in the building but um there is 629 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,960 no way to give any type of time frame is 630 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,470 that correct 631 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,280 well plan commission meets next week so 632 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:08,430 we can get it on their agenda 633 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,240 and all 634 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,559 right moving on to the next item the uh 635 00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,839 Amendment to The Chronic nuisance 636 00:48:16,839 --> 00:48:20,910 premises 637 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,720 ordinance thanks Mr Mayor um as the 638 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,960 council knows uh we've had some 639 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,319 discussions throughout the summer and 640 00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:31,440 early fall here about code enforcement 641 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,400 and issues involving that throughout the 642 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,160 city um we've had discussions at length 643 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,640 really about that topic so um if you 644 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,240 recall the last time that we kind of 645 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,000 raised that topic uh one of the things 646 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,640 that we decided to do was myself along 647 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,000 with City attorney City administrator 648 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520 director of Public Works got together to 649 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,599 kind of figure out where we were going 650 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,119 what we needed to do what we needed to 651 00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:56,200 address in order to move forward with 652 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,000 some code enforcement concerns that we 653 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,400 were seeing um basically the discussion 654 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,760 that we had uh between that group of 655 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,760 people um really validated the need that 656 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,880 we needed to have those three entities 657 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,319 that are currently involved in CT 658 00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:14,839 enforcement the Police Department Public 659 00:49:14,839 --> 00:49:17,240 Works and building inspector code 660 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:19,480 enforcement uh continue to be involved 661 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,240 in those things however we recognize 662 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,000 that there needs to be some adjustments 663 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,720 made in the process to run smoother cre 664 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,720 create more accountability and um 665 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,640 enforcement 666 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,960 response so uh some of the changes that 667 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,200 we're moving forward with um as we 668 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,760 tackle this issue is the police 669 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,000 department will now transition will 670 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,319 handle all those things that we have 671 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:47,119 been handling but we'll go towards 672 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,400 enforcing The Tall Grass noxious weeds 673 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,680 any trash garbage type complaints um 674 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,040 take those away from the code 675 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,079 enforcement building inspector uh of 676 00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,720 Public Works will continue to handle any 677 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,240 complaints involving snow snow removal 678 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,400 trees any of those type of code issues 679 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,640 that they normally would work with in 680 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,280 their normal process anyways and then 681 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,720 code enforcement will handle pretty much 682 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:17,839 uh building issues um signage uh 683 00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:20,559 structure type complaints that we have 684 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,359 but the the important function now is 685 00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:25,760 that what we're proposing is more of a 686 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,760 team approach so that when we get a 687 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,440 problem property that instead of the 688 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,799 police department going one day and 689 00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:35,839 addressing an issue and then the next 690 00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:37,680 day code enforcement goes and addresses 691 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319 another issue and the following day DPW 692 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,559 goes and addresses the other issue the 693 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,000 police department basically will 694 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,680 coordinate a response by all those 695 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,559 entities together so we go to that 696 00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,200 property a problem property and we 697 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,240 address all of those issues at one time 698 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,920 what we believe that will do 699 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,720 will um offer more of an ability to 700 00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,760 communicate on these issues uh between 701 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,680 the departments on enforcement issues um 702 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,799 document those issues properly follow up 703 00:51:04,799 --> 00:51:06,760 with appropriate enforcement action that 704 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,720 should be needed 705 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,760 okay the ordinance that you're looking 706 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,119 at tonight is really the first step in 707 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,319 doing that um some of the other things 708 00:51:15,319 --> 00:51:17,079 entities that we would incorporate into 709 00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,400 that team approach would be things like 710 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,760 um the fire department for example so if 711 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,280 we have a problem 712 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,799 property that is not you know maybe 713 00:51:27,799 --> 00:51:31,040 they're mandated to have fire alarms or 714 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,280 working smoke detectors or elevator 715 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,520 issues and they're not doing that they 716 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,359 would be part of that response team as 717 00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:42,280 well okay um so this code or the the 718 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,760 amendments to the ordinance that you're 719 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,000 looking at really is the first step in 720 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,559 developing that plan because we need to 721 00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:51,799 address a couple things there if you 722 00:51:51,799 --> 00:51:53,960 look at the enforcement or at at the 723 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,640 ordinance that's in your packet 724 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,040 couple things we did right away just 725 00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,680 remember on The Chronic nuisance 726 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,480 property these are incidents that you 727 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,160 see a list of incidents there that are 728 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,880 three times on separate days in a 729 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,920 six-month period can get your property 730 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,760 into that nuisance chronic nuisance 731 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,720 property issue however the change here 732 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,559 there's an exception to that uh 733 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:19,200 typically in the past it was one 734 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,160 violation involving 961 violations so 735 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,520 for example if we served a search 736 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,200 warrant on a property for manufactured 737 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,839 delivery of control 738 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,079 substances um on a drug search warrant 739 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,000 for example that automatically kicked 740 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,599 that property into a chronic nuisance 741 00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,520 property it's a onetime offense okay 742 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,200 versus having you do that three times in 743 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,599 order to get him there so what we did 744 00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:42,760 then is we modified that 745 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,000 exception um paragraph a little bit to 746 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,400 include um the whole chapter 961 which 747 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,160 is the drug chapter um the chapter 944 748 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,240 which is crimes of sexual immorality 749 00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:01,359 so these are issues like um prostitution 750 00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:04,319 um lud and lascivious behavior um issues 751 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,119 like that that were kind 752 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,839 of individually identified in the old 753 00:53:08,839 --> 00:53:10,359 ordinance that's what we're looking to 754 00:53:10,359 --> 00:53:12,119 group those together because personally 755 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,559 I felt that you know if you've got 756 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,960 somebody violating 757 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,119 that crime we shouldn't have to wait for 758 00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,240 three times violations in order to kick 759 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,440 that same thing with the uh 760 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,480 9482 possession of child pornography we 761 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,960 shouldn't have to wait for three times 762 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,640 for that to occur in order to kick that 763 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,160 into the chronic nuisance property that 764 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,760 happens one time at a property it gets 765 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,119 kicked into that chronic nuisance 766 00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:37,400 property 767 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,480 okay um the other issues that we 768 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,839 addressed in the ordinance were adding 769 00:53:42,839 --> 00:53:45,000 towards like the bottom uh number 15 and 770 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000 16 violations of fire code and 771 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,960 violations of building code so if we've 772 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,000 got a property that's dilapidated that's 773 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520 having issues and the code enforcement 774 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,839 officer the building inspector is 775 00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:57,960 identifying those issues if they 776 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,520 continue to have issues or if the fire 777 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,599 department addresses issues there and 778 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:04,079 they continue to have issues and don't 779 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:10,319 fix it they can potentially kick that location into this chronic nuisance 780 00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:13,040 property as part of that team approach 781 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,799 um again three or more violations within 782 00:54:15,799 --> 00:54:18,559 a six-month period um the rest of the 783 00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,200 ordinance is pretty much the same 784 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,839 um we're working internally within the 785 00:54:24,839 --> 00:54:27,079 police department to address uh some 786 00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:28,640 additional enforcement issues we're 787 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,480 modifying our our school resource 788 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,119 officer Community liaison position that 789 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:36,280 we're creating for the summertime to 790 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,599 address a lot of the code enforcement 791 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:39,720 issues as well so we're working on that 792 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,400 internally as well but this is really 793 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,000 the first step the approval of this 794 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880 ordinance is the first step towards 795 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,359 addressing those chronic code 796 00:54:48,359 --> 00:54:49,520 enforcement issues that we've been 797 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,040 dealing with for 798 00:54:52,040 --> 00:55:00,230 sometime questions on that 799 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,599 are you looking for approval of the 800 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,440 ordinance tonight B yes I believe that's 801 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,750 what we're yes looking for yeah 802 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,589 yes thank 803 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,200 you 804 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,040 um can you remind me when someone has 805 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,760 one of these uh violations is this 806 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,680 available for the public to see uh how 807 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,039 you know how could might someone know how many violations someone has is 808 00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:34,870 that public 809 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200 knowledge what they could I suppose do 810 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,079 is file an open records request okay so 811 00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:42,960 you know I I'm not sure where you're 812 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,559 going or what you're asking there but 813 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,079 potentially let's say you have a a 814 00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,000 renter that's looking to rent a property 815 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,720 they could potentially come down and 816 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,559 file an open records request asking for 817 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,000 complaints at that location for a time 818 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,280 period okay past six months past year 819 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,880 whatever okay is that is that yeah I was 820 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,160 just curious that would probably be 821 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,480 because if they issued a citation now 822 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,039 with the Municipal Court um that doesn't 823 00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,240 even go on CCAP or anything like that so 824 00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:12,640 it would have to be an open records 825 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,039 request to get that obviously there'd be 826 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:19,640 a record we'd have a record and it would be subject to whether it's 827 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,559 pending yes prosecution you would not 828 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:26,440 see it until it's concluded correct like 829 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,200 deiving anybody of due process um the 830 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,359 open records request would not allow 831 00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:33,799 them to see it until a conclusion has 832 00:56:33,799 --> 00:56:35,200 been reach and there's obviously the 833 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,079 open records laws would apply to that as 834 00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,599 far as information that's 835 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:44,839 released can you also remind me so the I do think it's strange that we are 836 00:56:44,839 --> 00:56:46,160 spending our police enforcement time 837 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,559 which is so valuable on tall grass and 838 00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:52,079 noxious weeds um and and I know that 839 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,440 there are some folks that I think 840 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,640 there's a difference between someone not 841 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,160 caring about their property and someone 842 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,760 choosing to have a well-groomed yard 843 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,680 that has taller grass for ethical 844 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,880 reasons for the environment I know that 845 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,119 currently right now we don't have 846 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:07,839 anything in place to allow those folks 847 00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:08,720 to be 848 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,799 designated um I don't I don't know if 849 00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,680 that plays into here now it's just 850 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,760 something that I do want to State 851 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,920 because I'm conscious that there have 852 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,640 been a number of people uh from the city 853 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,280 in the past that have um stated that 854 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,000 they're frustrated that they that there 855 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,880 are not exceptions and I also feel that 856 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,760 there's probably I assume frustration 857 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,160 that the Poli that your time is spent on 858 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,240 something like this um but do the police 859 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,920 already respond to to grass and noxious 860 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,680 weed so we're not if we approve this 861 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,720 we're not saying you now handle more are 862 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,880 we no right you're not approving 863 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,039 anything other than the ordinance this 864 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:44,240 evening okay yeah ordinance changes bill 865 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,520 was just laying out how the 866 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,640 administration looks to go forward got 867 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,559 it with enforcing ordinances that we 868 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,760 have in the books using all the 869 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,480 resources available and he mentioned 870 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,880 that the police department might be able 871 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,640 to use some Personnel that they have to 872 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,880 assist in it um the biggest complaint 873 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,280 that we see in the city is Citizens 874 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,960 seeing things that they see every day 875 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,640 and they're saying why is that still 876 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,960 there when it was there last week and 877 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,559 then it was there last month and so we 878 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:18,799 recognize that in the nuisance world and 879 00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:21,319 so we're trying to to remedy it by 880 00:58:21,319 --> 00:58:23,160 putting as many resources together as we 881 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,880 can and typically those complaints 882 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,880 people people don't know who to call so 883 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,960 they call the police department so 884 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,839 that's why it's important this team 885 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:34,319 concept is important for that because we 886 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:36,480 document those complaints within our 887 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,319 internal computer rated dispatch system 888 00:58:39,319 --> 00:58:40,960 uh we're able to then forward those 889 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,520 complaints maybe to DPW to address the 890 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,200 Tall Grass issues where they issue the 891 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,400 notice we're just kind of taking that 892 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:54,109 back um and and dealing with that yeah 893 00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:57,079 thanks move approval of the ordinance 894 00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:59,520 I'll second 895 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,480 that mov by Al and seconded by jool any 896 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,720 discussion Jim two questions number nine 897 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,160 talks about trespassing would that how 898 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,039 would that be against the owner or the 899 00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:13,039 premises versus somebody on their 900 00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:15,240 property so are you going to then call 901 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,760 that a nuisance property because there 902 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,839 is a trespassing complaint on their 903 00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:21,760 property I you're right Bill sorry yeah 904 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,480 so there's an exception Incorporated in 905 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,160 here that if the owner of the 906 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,640 establishment or the owner of the 907 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,640 property is the one making the complaint 908 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,359 correct that doesn't count as a nuisance 909 00:59:32,359 --> 00:59:34,079 that doesn't count as a violation one of 910 00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,960 the three so what we don't want to have 911 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,319 is you know for a let's say a 912 00:59:39,319 --> 00:59:41,559 landlord um reporting that they're 913 00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:44,280 having problems with a tenant we want 914 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,880 them to call so we can help them solve 915 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,720 that problem so we don't penalize that 916 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,000 landlord or that owner for making those 917 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,839 calls but now if the neighbors's calling 918 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:56,079 saying hey there's loud noise over there 919 00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,119 every day do something about it now that 920 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,480 becomes an issue but if the landlord 921 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,160 himself or the owner of the property is 922 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,839 calling us for those issues that's not a 923 01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:08,960 violation section c right who also is 924 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,000 that what does that answer your question 925 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,559 okay the change in ownership as well 926 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:13,720 obviously if the property changes 927 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,000 ownership does that then property get 928 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,799 reset to zeros across the board uh 929 01:00:19,799 --> 01:00:21,880 probably yep because we would have to 930 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:22,880 provide 931 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,400 notice as part of that again I think J's 932 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,880 point if I bought the property how would 933 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,640 I know that I don't have any strikes in 934 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,680 a sense cuz I could I could get a noise 935 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,039 complaint just because I was playing my 936 01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:35,760 music in the garage too loud right we 937 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,960 would give them notice and and quite 938 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,119 frankly the The Chronic nuisance 939 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,319 properties that we're dealing with 940 01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:43,280 aren't 941 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,799 those you knower yeah they're major I 942 01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:49,240 mean we're having I'll be honest with 943 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,599 you I sent a letter this week to a 944 01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,319 property owner that we've been to that 945 01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:55,280 property 13 times since September 1st 946 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,240 weekly yeah so that's a chronic property 947 01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,440 that's a problem that needs to be 948 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,750 addressed so yeah that's an 949 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:14,549 example further questions or 950 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,760 discussion one more time any further 951 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,029 questions or 952 01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:22,599 discussion hearing none we'll do a roll 953 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,680 call vote on this 954 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,359 Lori Mr Mr Shader hi Mrs shot singer hi 955 01:01:28,359 --> 01:01:31,760 Mr Hansen hi Mr gallops hi Mr Morrison 956 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,599 hi Mr wch hi Mr split I motion carries 957 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,920 unanimously good thank 958 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,480 you all right next item up is the 959 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,240 Dispatch Center Chief back to you sure 960 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,920 thank you Mr Mayor um obviously I hope 961 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,559 that you had an opportunity to 962 01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:52,880 review um a stack of documents that were 963 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,400 supplied to you within your packet um 964 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,960 on this topic if you remember we had 965 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,279 discussions back in August um on this 966 01:02:02,279 --> 01:02:04,440 topic and at that time you would ask for 967 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,319 some additional information and 968 01:02:07,319 --> 01:02:09,400 that's getting this forward to you 969 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,200 tonight about some of that additional 970 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,839 information that you would requested and 971 01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:17,920 um inquired about um so really after the 972 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,880 discussion in in August um two available 973 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,000 options uh for your consideration and 974 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,400 for more information for you um on 975 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,119 retaining dispatch Services here within 976 01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,319 the city of ripin as we currently are um 977 01:02:31,319 --> 01:02:33,520 and secondly moving Communications 978 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,240 possibly towards the falite county 979 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,440 Communication 980 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,920 Center let's talk about the first one 981 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,119 the first uh issue first and I'm just 982 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,799 kind of going to not going to go through 983 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:44,880 the documents that you were supplied to 984 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,720 word by word or line by line but I'm 985 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,319 just going to kind of give you a a 986 01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:51,400 synopsis of that 987 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,480 information um option number one 988 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,400 retaining the dispatch Services we had 989 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,559 asked about or you had asked about some 990 01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,599 transition needs um costs some of those 991 01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,480 issues obviously with retaining the 992 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,559 dispatch service here that would be very 993 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,079 limited in terms of transition needs if 994 01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:11,960 that occurs uh control of the Dispatch 995 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,119 Center would remain with the police 996 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,039 department with the chief of police um 997 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,760 as we operate currently some of the 998 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,039 things that would need to occur um that 999 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:21,839 are outlined in your packet uh some of 1000 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:22,640 the 1001 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,760 highlights uh we would continue with a 1002 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,720 $25,000 budgeted uh expenditure for the 1003 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,960 radio room reconfiguration if you 1004 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,680 remember we had some discussions about 1005 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,680 that that was budgeted for in 2020 but 1006 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,279 we've put that on hold based on this 1007 01:03:37,279 --> 01:03:41,160 conversation um and obviously if if uh 1008 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,440 retention is what we desire then then 1009 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,440 that project those funds would need to 1010 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,720 be carried over to 2021 and we would uh 1011 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,920 take care of that project then 1012 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,039 replacement of a radio repeater um 1013 01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:56,599 budgeted about $5,000 needs to be done a 1014 01:03:56,599 --> 01:04:00,160 repeater basically so you understand is 1015 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,160 a is a is a way to boost radio 1016 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,680 transmission so the the fre the 1017 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,160 transmission goes maybe from The 1018 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,440 Dispatch Center to the repeater and then 1019 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,079 it goes out from there so it's a higher 1020 01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:14,160 boost for that communication just so you 1021 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,599 understand what that is replacement of 1022 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:18,240 the backup fire department computer 1023 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,680 system we have a backup page a paging 1024 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,559 system that um is at the fire department 1025 01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:25,480 um that's operating on a Windows 7 I 1026 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,000 believe believe computer right now so 1027 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,839 that uh system would have to be replaced 1028 01:04:30,839 --> 01:04:33,559 and then reprogrammed um cost about 1029 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:37,119 $14,000 there replace of the 911 phone 1030 01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,599 system Hardware obviously we had some 1031 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,799 major discussions about that um that is 1032 01:04:41,799 --> 01:04:45,520 an um Antiquated system um that needs to 1033 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,960 be replaced um it has to be replaced 1034 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:55,720 um and you know um possibly we could 1035 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,440 cross our fingers and get through 1036 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,039 another year but that's going to have to 1037 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,640 be something that needs to be addressed 1038 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,279 either with a a budget issue or 1039 01:05:06,279 --> 01:05:09,079 um um borrowing or something some type 1040 01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:11,920 of plan there to replace that system uh 1041 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,440 dispatch computers um we estimate 1042 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,599 because of their remember in the fall of 1043 01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:18,599 21 we're looking at finac county is 1044 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:21,119 going to be changing CAD computer rated 1045 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:22,960 dispatch as well as record management 1046 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,279 system so you're looking at we're going 1047 01:05:25,279 --> 01:05:26,799 to have to upgrade some computers within 1048 01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:29,000 our Dispatch Center so that's part of 1049 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,000 that all of those things would be 1050 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,119 transition needs if we're not 1051 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:37,559 transitioning if you will okay um and we 1052 01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:39,960 can accomplish um quite a few of those 1053 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,839 things um I'm I understand based on the 1054 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:45,760 budget passing tonight there's $20,000 1055 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,359 in the EMS budget to replace computers 1056 01:05:48,359 --> 01:05:50,160 that would cover the dispatch computers 1057 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,480 as well as the fire department computer 1058 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,920 um and again the 911 system obviously 1059 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,880 probably on hold until 2022 hopefully it 1060 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,760 gets us through there um that's a 1061 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,240 day-to-day system 1062 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,720 um otherwise we going to need to borrow 1063 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,400 for that or or figure out something 1064 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,839 there I just don't know what the 1065 01:06:08,839 --> 01:06:10,079 solution 1066 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,039 is um one of the things I would suggest 1067 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,720 is if we decide to retain Dispatch 1068 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,400 Center here I think we need to establish 1069 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,720 some type of replacement fund um so that 1070 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,599 we're not in this situation again as far 1071 01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,160 as Hardware um 1072 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,039 if we choose not to go to folac County I 1073 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:29,440 think that that would be imperative we 1074 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,720 need to probably think about setting 1075 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,079 some money aside for commit 1076 01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:36,520 understanding that the commitment would 1077 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,400 be for the long term with that Center um 1078 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,319 costs associated with that um retention 1079 01:06:43,319 --> 01:06:45,960 are outlined on page three of your um 1080 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,119 packet that I gave you um Council has 1081 01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:50,720 been very supportive in the past of 1082 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,119 dispatch and uh certainly we appreciate 1083 01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,200 that um this provides you this 1084 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,359 information provides you with that 1085 01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,520 information that you need to 1086 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,200 see what that looks like going forward 1087 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,720 and what the future looks like if 1088 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,839 retention is what's desired here 1089 01:07:06,839 --> 01:07:10,039 okay as far as the second op option um 1090 01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:12,359 transfer to finac County dispatch um 1091 01:07:12,359 --> 01:07:13,720 based on the August meeting there was 1092 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,680 some questions and things that you would 1093 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,279 like clarified so so hopefully we were 1094 01:07:18,279 --> 01:07:19,680 able to do that with the information I 1095 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,039 was provided to 1096 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:23,880 you if that occurs if if that's the 1097 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,599 desire uh what we would recommend 1098 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,559 commend or what I would recommend is a 1099 01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,359 phase in process 1100 01:07:30,359 --> 01:07:32,960 um and what does that look like well 1101 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,000 that basically looks like 1102 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,599 um in doing a phase in process we would 1103 01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:40,520 you know the three major components here 1104 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,960 police fire and EMS fire department is 1105 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,760 the has the least needs if transfer does 1106 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,799 occur so um they basically have radio 1107 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:52,680 issues reprogramming those type of 1108 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,799 issues um they would probably be the 1109 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,599 first in that phase in to go so we would 1110 01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:06,279 suggest uh March of 2021 if that is what we decide we want to do um EMS we 1111 01:08:06,279 --> 01:08:08,200 would phase in as a second portion of 1112 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,839 that phase in and look for a Target date 1113 01:08:10,839 --> 01:08:14,960 of July of 20 of next year 2021 1114 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,560 obviously T Chief Tel can explain to you 1115 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,319 the Necessities if you decide to go that 1116 01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,560 route um including his future needs and 1117 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,040 any operational issues um that he sees 1118 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,199 in any cost projections or concerns that 1119 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:28,600 he has with 1120 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,319 that uh the police department we would 1121 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,279 then shoot for a 1122 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,759 um switch over by September 1st of 1123 01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:40,000 2021 obviously there's a multitude of 1124 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,679 issues that need to be addressed um 1125 01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:43,520 before that time which are outlined for 1126 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,960 you in the packet that I included 1127 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,319 um what I would suggest is if if that if 1128 01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,319 we do do that is I would suggest that 1129 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,839 $225,000 that we talked about for for 1130 01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:58,960 the radio room 1131 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,520 reconfiguration that's going to need to 1132 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,719 be carried over um I would suggest that 1133 01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:04,799 we take that 25,000 with the additional 1134 01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:08,000 20,000 that EMS has put in their budget 1135 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,120 put that in a separate account and allow 1136 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,239 police and fire to utilize that or 1137 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,600 police and EMS to utilize that for those 1138 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,799 transition needs so whatever expenses 1139 01:09:17,799 --> 01:09:20,040 come up we can utilize from those monies 1140 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,199 that are there 1141 01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,799 um obviously the the the other issues 1142 01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,600 then cost to the city for that transfer 1143 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,799 um to finac County 1144 01:09:31,799 --> 01:09:34,440 dispatch uh finac County uh you see a 1145 01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:37,279 letter in there from the felet county 1146 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,640 executive um the cost on the levy by 1147 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,960 felet County would be two $200,000 per 1148 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,719 year um and that would be in perpetuity 1149 01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:50,480 so that would be forever um or at least 1150 01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:54,199 until um that County exec is there but 1151 01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:56,239 that's the agreement that is is in place 1152 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:59,000 or that he's offered so 1153 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,719 um one of the other issues that uh you 1154 01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,880 asked about was um whether the 1155 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,520 communications officers would be care 1156 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,239 taken care of if a transfer is done uh 1157 01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:10,920 one of the proposal things that I placed 1158 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,760 into that included under the police 1159 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,760 department transfer would be that health 1160 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,760 insurance would continue through 2021 or 1161 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,640 until Jan or through the year of 2021 1162 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,679 for those Communications officers or 1163 01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:26,199 until they get 1164 01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,679 employment um which offers them health 1165 01:10:28,679 --> 01:10:31,159 insurance um whichever happens first so 1166 01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:34,320 either the end of the year or um they 1167 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,760 get other health 1168 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,640 insurance they're obviously eligible for 1169 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,840 payout on some of the liabilities that 1170 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,199 you see for the employees that I've 1171 01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:43,640 included in the packet so you see what 1172 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,560 those numbers are um they're also 1173 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,679 eligible for hire at folac County they 1174 01:10:48,679 --> 01:10:51,239 would need to apply for those positions 1175 01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:54,440 and go through that process and they vac 1176 01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,480 County would make that decision on on 1177 01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,360 hiring um those 1178 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,120 employees um so that's kind of a 1179 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,679 synopsis of the information that was 1180 01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:05,239 included on the second portion of that 1181 01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:07,280 or the second option for you to 1182 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,440 consider really in conclusion before I 1183 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,600 turn it over to chief chief teach out 1184 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,080 and chief Saul for any additional 1185 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,960 comments I just want to you know repeat 1186 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,280 to you the goals kind of and why we 1187 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,760 started talking about this in the 1188 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,159 beginning really was to educate your me 1189 01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,520 or educate the members of the Council on 1190 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,080 the operations of the Communication 1191 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,159 Center what do they do what what happens 1192 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,760 and what's their function here explain 1193 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,560 the vital role that communication plays 1194 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,600 for our emergency responders within the 1195 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,719 city and understand that obviously with 1196 01:11:37,719 --> 01:11:39,440 several new councilmen it was important 1197 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:40,880 and Council women it was important for 1198 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,679 you to understand the critical role that 1199 01:11:42,679 --> 01:11:45,400 they play provide you with an overview 1200 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,120 of the critical infrastructure needs um 1201 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,280 shall we continue with with uh 1202 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,760 dispatching here in the city and the 1203 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,520 cost of the continuation if that's the 1204 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,719 um if that's the route that you choose 1205 01:11:57,719 --> 01:12:01,520 to go obviously um there's a lot of 1206 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,639 things to consider here and then finally 1207 01:12:03,639 --> 01:12:05,080 to give you a cost option for an 1208 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,520 alternative operations if we decided 1209 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,800 that vanac County communications was 1210 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,480 something we were interested 1211 01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:13,960 in obviously there's a lot of talk in 1212 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,280 this document about money um it's just 1213 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,199 important to remember that it's not just 1214 01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:20,560 about the money um in this in this 1215 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,360 picture um obviously that is important 1216 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,719 for the city and a big Financial picture 1217 01:12:27,719 --> 01:12:30,199 of the city going forward um but the 1218 01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:31,520 safety and the needs of the community 1219 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,679 should be the Forefront to this 1220 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:36,560 consideration and I believe whichever 1221 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,400 decision we make and whichever decision 1222 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,080 we resolve to that the safety of the 1223 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,159 community will not be compromised um if 1224 01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,000 I believe that um certainly I would not 1225 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,840 have given you the information that 1226 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,360 you're that you've been given um finet 1227 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,800 County does provide excellent service 1228 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,679 for police fire and Ems for the 1229 01:12:56,679 --> 01:12:59,840 remainder of the county but I want to 1230 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,719 reiterate of the professional and great 1231 01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,440 service that our Communications officers 1232 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:06,760 do for our community as well so that's 1233 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,600 important to 1234 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,480 understand uh if you consider the 1235 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,480 information uh what information it needs 1236 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,080 that Chief T out is about to supply you 1237 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,920 with he makes a change financially 1238 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,520 difficult to argue 1239 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,199 for uh he needs to be able to articulate 1240 01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,280 those needs for his service and that's 1241 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,000 his Arena and I'm not going to um 1242 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,440 address that um certainly he he will 1243 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,080 cover those issues again council's been 1244 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,040 very supportive in the in continuation 1245 01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,719 of communication Services here um and 1246 01:13:37,719 --> 01:13:40,360 for a v variety of reasons um that we 1247 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,120 outlined in August as to why uh we 1248 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,800 retained our Dispatch Center here when 1249 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,280 others didn't okay uh you must 1250 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:49,800 understand you know finally that there's 1251 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,480 a cost for that continued service and an 1252 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:56,840 increased cost for that service I hope that you've got the knowledge as to 1253 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,920 why those costs will be there in the 1254 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,239 future I hope you're now much more 1255 01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:03,760 educated about the Communication Center 1256 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,360 than when we began this discussion 1257 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,159 several months ago um and I just you 1258 01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:14,120 know however any desire that you have or 1259 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,320 need that you think is there to separate 1260 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,000 and go to finac County should be given 1261 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,600 deep consideration now because of the 1262 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,239 cons the changes that are occurring 1263 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:23,719 within the county and the county based 1264 01:14:23,719 --> 01:14:26,760 Communications model 1265 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,560 I've tried to be as open and honest with 1266 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,719 you as possible and as neutral as 1267 01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:35,239 possible in this discussion um um so 1268 01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:37,679 that's what I have for you and I can let 1269 01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:40,239 uh Chief tach out come and address you 1270 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:41,880 next and then certainly we can address 1271 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,040 questions after that or now or whatever 1272 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,120 you want to 1273 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,080 do I think John has a question for you I 1274 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,280 do um I don't know which way this is 1275 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,639 going to go but if the Dispatch Center 1276 01:14:53,639 --> 01:14:55,800 leaves rip and goes to fin do you have 1277 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,239 figures on what a communication officer 1278 01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:02,199 makes in Fondulac County compared to 1279 01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:06,239 rien and benefits is it comparable or 1280 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,040 sure as far as wages um a fondet County 1281 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,679 communications officer starting wage is 1282 01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:12,400 about 1283 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,960 $22.18 an hour in rippen it's 1284 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,159 1741 their top wage in felet County 1285 01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,920 after 6 years they max out their top 1286 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,960 wage is 1287 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:28,239 2647 an hour and our top wage tops out 1288 01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:32,560 in 15 years and our top wage is 1289 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:37,840 2233 so there's a $4 difference in wages 1290 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,000 on the top wage and they they top out um 1291 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,960 almost 10 years sooner than we do um as 1292 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,040 far as 1293 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,239 wages um you know and that's you know 1294 01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:51,639 the wage issue 1295 01:15:51,639 --> 01:15:53,880 is it is what it is for the city 1296 01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,239 employees 1297 01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:00,520 the insurance uh rates I've got them 1298 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:06,159 it's kind of hard to understand what they are because they have several 1299 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:10,199 different um plans uh you know I'll just 1300 01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,840 pick one um they have a blue plan a 1301 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,880 family blue 1302 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,800 plan um the employees 1303 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,960 share it says it's 1304 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,159 36850 I don't know if that's for the 1305 01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:26,159 year or what at 1306 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:31,080 18% uh the family share bronze is 1307 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,679 30709 at 15% and the family silver gold 1308 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:38,719 Platinum is 12% at 1309 01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:40,880 24567 I think a 1310 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,520 year um they're pretty comparable I 1311 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,080 think uh single F single deductibles a 1312 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,159 th000 families 1313 01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:52,400 2,000 um so you know I there's other 1314 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,920 things here but that kind of gives you 1315 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,840 an idea where they're at 1316 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,199 is that kind of yeah yep that's good 1317 01:16:58,199 --> 01:16:59,880 thank 1318 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,239 you I'll let Chief tachel step up and 1319 01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:05,280 address you and then certainly I can 1320 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,590 come back and answer any other questions 1321 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:17,669 okayer thank 1322 01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:20,360 you I'm John T out EMS chief for the 1323 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,440 city of rien and thanks Bill you've uh 1324 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,639 done a wonderful job presenting 1325 01:17:25,639 --> 01:17:28,120 um a lot of the information that's 1326 01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,840 fortunate for me because I can keep my 1327 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,320 comments a lot shorter than you did um 1328 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,840 you've all probably received my memo 1329 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,800 about the the timeline and the 1330 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,920 transition to fondak County given us 1331 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,520 some serious 1332 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,560 consideration and uh have met with Bobby 1333 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,120 uh personally about some of the things 1334 01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,760 that our dep department does that uh is 1335 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,320 different than what the fight County 1336 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,320 communications centers used to and the 1337 01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,000 major my major hangup and the major 1338 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,960 reason why I oppose moving out of our 1339 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,520 dispatch centers we are losing the 1340 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,920 customization that we have for paging 1341 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,280 our individual 1342 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,440 people uh they Bobby offered me uh two 1343 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:16,760 separate page tones one's for a first 1344 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,080 ambulance out one for a second ambulance 1345 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:24,120 out and um you've got my uh memo on the 1346 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,040 back of the memo was a random weekly 1347 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:31,679 schedule that uh was of I think last 1348 01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:36,040 week and um it's even hard for our 1349 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,520 dispatchers to page to figure out who's 1350 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,560 up next to be out on a 1351 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,719 call and uh when I explained to Bobby 1352 01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:46,920 kind of how that works 1353 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,320 she nixed it and I don't blame her um 1354 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,159 she's dispatching for with us I believe 1355 01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:55,719 it'll be 42 different agents for fin 1356 01:18:55,719 --> 01:18:58,239 County we dispatch for 1357 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:01,040 three and when you're dispatched for 42 1358 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,120 different agencies in the county you 1359 01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,199 have to do 1360 01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,679 things with more regularity than what we 1361 01:19:06,679 --> 01:19:09,400 do that's what makes our Dispatch Center 1362 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,880 so special to us is we have uh 1363 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,639 Communications officers that can look at 1364 01:19:15,639 --> 01:19:18,400 the schedule and know who's up and who's 1365 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,639 available for call they can look at that 1366 01:19:20,639 --> 01:19:23,080 schedule and know that if a hospital 1367 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,360 calls for transfer that we're available 1368 01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,400 to do that transfer they can look at 1369 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,800 that schedule and know that if a 1370 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,000 outlying area calls for Mutual Aid or a 1371 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,199 transfer that we would be available to 1372 01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:39,360 do that transfer and simply say no if we 1373 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,560 can't so that's something very special 1374 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,239 that our Communications officers can 1375 01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:49,719 do um I think that's very important I've 1376 01:19:49,719 --> 01:19:51,639 been working with that 1377 01:19:51,639 --> 01:19:56,480 schedule call me a dinosaur but 36 years 1378 01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,520 and it's worked us worked out very well 1379 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,480 served us very well and um after 1380 01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:05,600 discussing most of this uh information 1381 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,239 with my staff um very few well let's 1382 01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,600 face it none have told me that they 1383 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,159 would support moving away from the way 1384 01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:18,120 our schedule is now that's just the 1385 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,840 schedule um one of the things that I've 1386 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,679 also thrown in here for consideration is 1387 01:20:22,679 --> 01:20:26,120 we do do a number of uh inter facility 1388 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,360 transfers from out of area and there 1389 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,600 would be some loss of Revenue if we 1390 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,120 couldn't do those and um I did talk to 1391 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:39,679 Bobby about how would uh their Dispatch 1392 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:42,520 Center handle a request from Aurora 1393 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,320 hospital in Oshkosh calling us saying 1394 01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,159 hey we have a transfer can you do 1395 01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:50,639 it and her comment was well other 1396 01:20:50,639 --> 01:20:52,520 services in the county do that but 1397 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,080 they're full-time services so they just 1398 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,080 call up the whoever's on call for that 1399 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,880 service and they make a decision well 1400 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,520 that's great but we're not full-time 1401 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,320 service I have 28 staff members 26 of 1402 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,520 those 28 staff members are full-time 1403 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,120 employees or Ripp and college students 1404 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,320 they work a full-time job in addition to 1405 01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,440 volunteering and giving me hours every 1406 01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,120 week to be on the 1407 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,800 schedule they are not interested in a 12 1408 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,400 or 14 or 16 hour shift to sit down here 1409 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,080 and wait for a phone call they are not 1410 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,400 interested in trying to figure out who's 1411 01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,239 up who we should call who who Who's in 1412 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:32,320 that next ambulance 1413 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,679 out I and I don't blame him I'm not 1414 01:21:34,679 --> 01:21:36,360 interested in it either I work 40 hours 1415 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,440 a week well a little bit more than 40 1416 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:43,920 so that's a problem for me uh we could 1417 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,679 go to a full-time service I put some 1418 01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:47,280 numbers in there but what that would 1419 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,960 look like we are the only volunteer 1420 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,360 Ambulance Service in Fina County 1421 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,199 volunteer paramedic Ambulance Service in 1422 01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:58,159 County if we went the full-time service 1423 01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:00,440 my cost would be just about equal to 1424 01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:02,679 what we're paying our communication 1425 01:22:02,679 --> 01:22:06,719 centers uh dispatchers right now so I 1426 01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:09,679 don't see a whole lot of a whole lot of 1427 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:12,760 savings in that particular option not to 1428 01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,159 mention I doubt that I could find the 1429 01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:18,910 staff members that would want to do 1430 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:24,719 that the uh purchase of uh pagers 1431 01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:26,199 transferring telephone lines 1432 01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:28,639 reprogramming radios those are all items 1433 01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:31,120 that I could easily absorb in my 1434 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,719 budget um when Bill spoke about me 1435 01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:35,679 budgeting 1436 01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:39,040 $20,000 into my budget for computer 1437 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,400 equipment 1438 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,520 replacement that I I consider that an 1439 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,960 ongoing process I think my budget can 1440 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,880 support that and if it's not used in a 1441 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,239 year certainly we can carry those 1442 01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,239 numbers over just like I carry numbers 1443 01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:55,800 uh um $660,000 every year over for a new 1444 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,120 ambulance and after four years we have 1445 01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,280 enough to pay for a new 1446 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:05,520 ambulance um so those uh items or that 1447 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,159 $20,000 I think wouldn't wouldn't be a 1448 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,840 problem at all for for us to uh put into 1449 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,639 our budget even uh if something were to 1450 01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:16,520 happen upstairs a repeater goes out 1451 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,880 again a $5,000 expenditure depending 1452 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,520 upon where we are in the year depending 1453 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,520 upon my call volume depending upon my 1454 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,080 revenues 1455 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,600 uh I think I think we could absorb that 1456 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,639 in the EMS budget and we wouldn't have 1457 01:23:29,639 --> 01:23:32,480 to look to another department to uh try 1458 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:33,760 to fund 1459 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,280 that 1460 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,480 so Bill talked about 1461 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:42,000 um he would not he won't compromise 1462 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,480 safety for the 1463 01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:47,350 community I think 1464 01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,719 that going to finite County will 1465 01:23:49,719 --> 01:23:53,040 compromise the safety of the efficiency 1466 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,719 of the paging system that we have have 1467 01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:56,120 and the efficiency of the scheduling 1468 01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,120 system that we use and um when finac 1469 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,080 County uh Pages an ambulance they won't 1470 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,639 know who's on call if nobody shows up in 1471 01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:09,199 six minutes they're just going to page 1472 01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:10,280 Mutual 1473 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,120 Aid and um so now you're going to have 1474 01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,880 an ambulance coming from won or north 1475 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,120 ponac or Ash Goos and that's going 1476 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:24,480 to delay your response time too so long 1477 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:29,320 and short um I adamantly oppose losing 1478 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,199 our Dispatch Center I really do I I do 1479 01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:33,440 not think that it's going to be 1480 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,920 beneficial for my department and I'm 1481 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:42,390 willing to take any 1482 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,360 questions 1483 01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,280 um thank you so much for presenting this 1484 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,440 um and I 1485 01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:54,560 have great respect for you um and 1486 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,880 because of my respect for you and 1487 01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,159 because of the letter that you submitted 1488 01:24:59,159 --> 01:25:00,719 which and in your strong statement right 1489 01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:04,239 now saying that if we move to uh 1490 01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:07,400 changing our communication Center um 1491 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,520 that that's going to affect you 1492 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,239 negatively and so when I hear that from 1493 01:25:11,239 --> 01:25:13,520 you it is my duty and responsibility to 1494 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,600 take that seriously um also because 1495 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:17,960 we're talking about the lives of our 1496 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,119 friends and family here so I I met with 1497 01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:22,880 um and I don't know if I want to ask you 1498 01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,159 know it's perhaps it's some points for 1499 01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:27,719 everyone here but I can ask you um some 1500 01:25:27,719 --> 01:25:30,440 questions so I met I called Bobby and I 1501 01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:32,920 met with her last night she sat down 1502 01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,560 with me she took two hours and um I 1503 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,360 specifically asked her about some of the 1504 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,000 things you had submitted in your in your 1505 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,480 memo because of course as I said they 1506 01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:46,360 were they were concerning so um one of 1507 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:50,239 the things you know just to go 1508 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,600 um down down the line here so one of the 1509 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,440 things that you just said I think what I 1510 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,400 first want to address which is 1511 01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,440 concerning to me is is if you think the 1512 01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,920 response time will go up you just you 1513 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,840 said that if if um for example you you 1514 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,840 mentioned this six minutes if there's 1515 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,400 not someone that responds right can you state that again sure the what 1516 01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,080 the county does is and they do this 1517 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,199 universally for all the ambulance 1518 01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:21,480 services and um primarily we're dealing 1519 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,400 with Ambulance Service of Mount Calvary 1520 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,440 Campell 1521 01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:28,800 sport um which are part-time ambulance 1522 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,040 services in the county North vac is a 1523 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,760 full-time service they have some with 1524 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,679 staff on 24/7 they have a crew on 247 1525 01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,880 city folac has three stations with staff 1526 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,480 on 24/7 you also have M Calvary Campbell 1527 01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:43,440 Sport and rippen those are the ambulance 1528 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,840 services in the county Mount Calvary and 1529 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,800 Campbell sport assign their staff 1530 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:49,920 12-hour 1531 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,280 shifts like it or not you're on call 1532 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,440 from 6:00 a.m. to 6: p.m. 1533 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,320 with my people I'm able to put the 1534 01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,600 schedule together based on the 1535 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,119 availabilities they give me because 1536 01:27:01,119 --> 01:27:04,119 everybody works a full-time job so when 1537 01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:06,040 an ambulance goes out Mount Calvary is 1538 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,560 paged they don't care if there's 1539 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,560 somebody to staff the ambulance and in 1540 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,320 this day and age sometimes there isn't 1541 01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,840 people to staff an ambulance that's why 1542 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,040 you've got a long list of mutual Aid 1543 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,440 calls that we are doing because other 1544 01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:20,520 people aren't able to go on those 1545 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,960 calls so when there isn't somebody 1546 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,159 available to staff that ambulance they 1547 01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:26,840 will wait 6 minutes if they don't get a 1548 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:28,840 reply in a radio saying they're going in 1549 01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:33,000 service and they will page a mutual Aid 1550 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,960 they'll pay out for Mutual Aid to the 1551 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,080 closest ambulance 1552 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,080 service so you wasted 6 minutes for that 1553 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,320 and now you're getting a page from 1554 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:43,800 another Ambulance Service and now they 1555 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,719 have to drive the distance where they're 1556 01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:49,239 coming from which could be probably 1557 01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:50,560 another 20 1558 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,880 minutes so so that would delay that 1559 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,000 response so the way I understand it so if we I'm not sure what 1560 01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,480 I understood was the concern is you said 1561 01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:01,080 that we may get less calls if we don't 1562 01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,040 have someone available um so what she 1563 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:05,920 said is that in five minutes if there is 1564 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,000 a call for an ambulance and what she 1565 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,080 said was five minutes okay if there is 1566 01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,920 not a response that they hear back from 1567 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,239 rippen that what they would do is that 1568 01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,440 they would then make a call to the next 1569 01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:19,600 right the next closest one and if if 1570 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,400 they get a call back stating that they 1571 01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,719 that riin now is on its way and they had 1572 01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:26,440 already called someone else she assured 1573 01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:28,960 me that then she would call that other 1574 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,080 place off and rippen would still get 1575 01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,480 that call because now there's that 1576 01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,760 Assurance she said I can't in good faith 1577 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,159 just hope and pray that you know they're 1578 01:28:37,159 --> 01:28:38,480 going to answer at some point and so 1579 01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:39,920 that's why their system what she said is 1580 01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,119 in place after 5 minutes but she would 1581 01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:45,920 always respect if then riing got a hold 1582 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,360 and I think there was a concern about 1583 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,159 needing a certain radio to do that and 1584 01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:50,760 she said if that's a concern you can 1585 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,440 just call you can just call using a cell 1586 01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:54,520 phone anyone could I'm here you know 1587 01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,320 using a using a cell phone I'm not sure 1588 01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,920 that there there was a concern about 1589 01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,360 needing special equipment for that um 1590 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,119 but she said cell phones would work just 1591 01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:04,239 here I was told other agencies carry 1592 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,600 portable radios and she assured me that 1593 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,719 you could just use a cell phone sure if you need it so that wasn't 1594 01:29:09,719 --> 01:29:11,239 necessarily the portable radio was not 1595 01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:14,600 an issue um and she also said because I 1596 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,040 asked you know you mentioned tonight 1597 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,719 again that she was mentioned that 1598 01:29:17,719 --> 01:29:20,400 there's two different tones that that 1599 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,840 she could use and she made it clear that 1600 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,800 she never said that she limit it to two 1601 01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,760 different tones she said that she would 1602 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,840 like to work with you to come up with 1603 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,320 what this system works for you so for 1604 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,239 example with the two ambulances there 1605 01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:33,800 could be one tone for one ambulance one 1606 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,199 tone for another and then there could be 1607 01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:36,400 an all 1608 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,960 call um that must be page off so that so 1609 01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,480 that we don't you know she just wanted 1610 01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:44,280 to assure me and assure to let that know 1611 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:45,560 that it's not that there's she's 1612 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:46,920 limiting that that was just what a 1613 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,080 suggestion was not getting into the 1614 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:50,639 weeds not knowing if Rippon was going to 1615 01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:52,880 say that we're moving forward with that 1616 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,600 um 1617 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,920 and and so the concern then explain to 1618 01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,840 me again what you're saying about 1619 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,719 needing someone full-time on to cover is 1620 01:30:03,719 --> 01:30:05,239 this someone that we need full-time to 1621 01:30:05,239 --> 01:30:08,080 answer a phone to see if we can do a a 1622 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:13,000 transfer no a a full-time person would benefit our 1623 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,360 agency period um I would love to have a 1624 01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:20,080 full-time person the place in our medar 1625 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,159 and if that fulltime person was here 1626 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:26,040 they could manage the trans they could manage all the things that 1627 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:27,840 our Communications officers do for us 1628 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,520 now if they're not on a call in addition 1629 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,400 to that the plus to that is that if 1630 01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,000 there was a call they would jump in the 1631 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,920 med car they would respond immediately 1632 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:38,960 to the call they'd be an extra set of 1633 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,960 hands at the call and they'd be able to 1634 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,840 start patient care much like our police 1635 01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,600 officers now who um respond as First 1636 01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,719 Responders in this day and age of Co we 1637 01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:51,760 haven't had a lot of that but hopefully 1638 01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,119 uh we'll get back to that too so having 1639 01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:56,280 that first responder having that person 1640 01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,880 Jolene is I'd love to have that person 1641 01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,119 it it would cost us some money my 1642 01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:04,400 problem is is I don't think with the way 1643 01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,520 our staff is employed with 20 26 of the 1644 01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,800 28 people who work full-time that I'm 1645 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,639 going to be able to find a person a 1646 01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:15,560 person 24/7 to come down here and sit 1647 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,800 and be that response person in addition 1648 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:19,600 to be that person who may be carrying 1649 01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,400 that radio or who may be making that 1650 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,520 phone call to dispatch to let them know 1651 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,239 that I'm I'm coming down I showed her 1652 01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:28,560 the same thing I just showed you how we 1653 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,520 schedule and how our dispatcher is Page 1654 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,920 she said there's no way she could do 1655 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,880 that I'm saying we have we found a way 1656 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,800 to do it and I don't blame her I'm not 1657 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,000 trying to be critical of Bobby not at 1658 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,199 all because when you dispatch for 42 1659 01:31:44,199 --> 01:31:47,520 different agencies you have to you have 1660 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,920 to play by some pretty generic rules so 1661 01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,000 we've been very 1662 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,679 fortunate to be able to 1663 01:31:54,679 --> 01:31:56,239 for me to be able to schedule my people 1664 01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:58,199 the way I do it so is it that you want 1665 01:31:58,199 --> 01:31:59,800 to schedule them so that they're not all 1666 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,159 Wen woken up at certain times yeah that 1667 01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:03,920 too is that what what you're saying well 1668 01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:09,040 that that would if there's if there's a page for first crew or second crew a 1669 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,000 separate tone that's going to you know 1670 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,000 people are going to sit at home with 1671 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,320 their pager what people are going to do 1672 01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:16,480 is they're going to go I'm on second 1673 01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,920 call tonight so I'm going to change it 1674 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,800 to a different channel so I'm not 1675 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,840 bothered by first call and then at 6:00 1676 01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,639 in the morning when I go on first call 1677 01:32:25,639 --> 01:32:26,840 are they going to wake up at 6:00 in the 1678 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,280 morning turn it back and then they're 1679 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:29,440 going to miss a 1680 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:32,119 page so that's the problem I have with 1681 01:32:32,119 --> 01:32:35,520 that or did I leave it on on open or on 1682 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,080 the first page Channel tonight and then 1683 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,360 now I'm woke up at 3: in the morning for 1684 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,560 a transfer because it's interesting 1685 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,159 because I guess I'm I'm told that mount 1686 01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:46,760 Cav kemell Sport and North fondel like 1687 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,480 all all get the tones all calls and so 1688 01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:51,520 you know obviously I don't want people 1689 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:52,840 to be woken up in the middle of the 1690 01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,040 night if it's needless but it is 1691 01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,880 interesting that that is what other 1692 01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,880 facilities other CI use North vac 1693 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,239 full-time service so when there's a call 1694 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:03,400 they get 1695 01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,880 up and Mount Calvary and Campbell sport 1696 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,920 schedule their people on 12-hour shifts 1697 01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,000 and sometimes they fill ambulance Crews 1698 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,320 and sometimes they don't they might have 1699 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,520 somebody who can work 6:00 to noon but 1700 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,960 they can't work 6:00 to 600 so from 6:00 1701 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,639 to noon they may be able to staff that 1702 01:33:21,639 --> 01:33:24,400 ambulance or their second ambulance but 1703 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,560 from noon to 6 who knows if they're 1704 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,320 going to be able to staff that ambulance 1705 01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,119 the way I put my schedule together is 1706 01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:33,440 the communications officers know if I 1707 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:35,440 have somebody available to be on on call 1708 01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,760 at exactly you know whatever time of of 1709 01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,040 day it is and and whatever uh time frame 1710 01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,520 of the week it 1711 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,000 is so we have incredible dispatchers and 1712 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,199 that's and I think it's incredible as 1713 01:33:46,199 --> 01:33:47,600 your to your point that they they know 1714 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,440 this schedule which is complicated to 1715 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:52,440 your point um and did I hear you I I 1716 01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,199 think I just heard you say that even 1717 01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:56,080 hard for our dispatchers to know who is 1718 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,800 up next I don't know if you meant to say 1719 01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:02,440 that yes I did um yikes yes if I I'm 1720 01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:04,639 hearing that it's even hard for our 1721 01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,119 dispatchers to know who is up 1722 01:34:07,119 --> 01:34:11,440 next um and we are advocating to keep a 1723 01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,960 system that it's hard for our the reason 1724 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,119 why Bobby said that she could not 1725 01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:18,880 imagine keeping our the system that was 1726 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,880 presented is because she knows that if 1727 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,920 anything can be automated and they have 1728 01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,639 and because this is such stressful when 1729 01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:27,520 an emergency comes in that she doesn't 1730 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:28,960 want someone looking at a piece of paper 1731 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:30,400 wondering who to call here and who to 1732 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,440 call here that it needs to be immediate 1733 01:34:32,440 --> 01:34:33,880 if this ambulance needs to be called 1734 01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,040 here that's the first tone this 1735 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,520 ambulance here or is it an all call and 1736 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,159 that it time is of the essence and so 1737 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:43,199 she I she was very clear that she was 1738 01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,040 saying that she wouldn't consider this 1739 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,239 because she doesn't want to go through 1740 01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:48,639 the hassle right she wanted to say I'll 1741 01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:50,600 take the time that is needed until 1742 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,880 rippen is happy but she made it sound 1743 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,239 like in her per 1744 01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:58,119 Professional Knowledge it did not seem 1745 01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:00,000 like this is the best system when we're 1746 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,760 talking about timeliness and making sure 1747 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,040 there's not mistakes and making sure 1748 01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:05,760 that the proper people are notified in 1749 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,679 the quickest amount of time 1750 01:35:08,679 --> 01:35:11,080 um and so what she what she also 1751 01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,520 suggested was if the concern is that 1752 01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:14,239 people are being woken up for a call for 1753 01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,480 a transfer for example example and 1754 01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:18,119 they're not taking it perhaps we could 1755 01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:20,679 consider giving them a you know a a 1756 01:35:20,679 --> 01:35:23,080 payment of $5 per call or something like 1757 01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:24,440 that that they're woken up for and not 1758 01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:26,760 taken I mean that would still save us 1759 01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,320 money and we're honoring those people I 1760 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,360 mean we could be creative like that um I 1761 01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:34,119 guess the other thing I'm thinking of is 1762 01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:36,639 when you talk about the way you handle 1763 01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:38,600 things the number of Staff you have and 1764 01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:39,719 the way you handle it it seems sort of 1765 01:35:39,719 --> 01:35:41,440 similar to the fire district and I don't 1766 01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,199 know perhaps maybe if if Chief stall 1767 01:35:44,199 --> 01:35:45,960 could come up next and explain sort of 1768 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:47,360 how that system works because it does 1769 01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,520 seem like and I really respect what 1770 01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,880 you've done you Teo but it does seem 1771 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,840 like 1772 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:55,560 there could be some way to look at how 1773 01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,960 they do things to look at um how that's 1774 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,360 being handled um or why yours couldn't 1775 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,400 be that way perhaps maybe maybe that's 1776 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,560 another Avenue to look at and chief sa 1777 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:08,960 will get an opportunity to come up and 1778 01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,119 explain his Battalion uh schedules and 1779 01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:13,920 stuff like that well I guess what I want 1780 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,840 to say is this is very when we have you 1781 01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,480 saying that this would be a detriment 1782 01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:21,080 this is so serious um and yet when I 1783 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,159 talked to Bobby hin she made it sound as 1784 01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:24,719 though she had an answer for every 1785 01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:28,840 concern that we had um and it and she 1786 01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,360 from my understanding it seems like our 1787 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:32,880 services would be 1788 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,280 enhanced um in the transfers What She 1789 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,920 Said is What a lot of other places do 1790 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,560 the hospitals actually called directly 1791 01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,560 the ambulances nobody's going to be here 1792 01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,239 to answer that phone exactly wouldn't be 1793 01:36:43,239 --> 01:36:45,560 here no they call she said that the 1794 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,880 hospitals actually have the cell phones 1795 01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,199 of the of of the people if we wanted to 1796 01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:52,480 like they call the person directly okay 1797 01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,159 so she also said that if you wanted to 1798 01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,199 set something up that that their 1799 01:36:56,199 --> 01:36:59,920 dispatch could um if there's a transfer 1800 01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:01,400 then you know designate it to one she's 1801 01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:02,760 not going to look at a schedule of who's 1802 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,560 available exactly when but that there is 1803 01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:06,920 someone that they could obviously you 1804 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,840 know look at a system and and and again 1805 01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,520 she said that the hospitals right now in 1806 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,800 other cities they call the emergency 1807 01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:18,760 Personnel directly that's okay but how 1808 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,040 would they know my problem is is they 1809 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,880 wouldn't know who to call I I'm I'm on 1810 01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:25,239 call at midnight 1811 01:37:25,239 --> 01:37:27,080 tonight tomorrow night there's a 1812 01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,159 different person on call so do do I have 1813 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:34,119 to rotate a cell phone to to people it 1814 01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:36,800 just it just apparently hospital do that 1815 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,320 and these are for nonemergency transfers 1816 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:39,159 let's be clear here because we're 1817 01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:40,000 talking about making sure you get 1818 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,800 revenue from non-emergency transfers 1819 01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,440 right so um well we can say no to those 1820 01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:46,920 you know I can I can say no to every 1821 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,000 non-emergency transfer you know that wouldn't be a problem that would be 1822 01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,840 a a reduction in revenue and and if 1823 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,000 that's the way uh Council chooses to go 1824 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,719 that would be you know that's entirely 1825 01:37:57,719 --> 01:38:00,280 up to you um the problem why are you 1826 01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,560 seeing a reduction so I'm just imagining 1827 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,239 someone calls in for a 1828 01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,719 transfer you and then they're getting 1829 01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:09,000 that maybe the page goes out for the 1830 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:10,800 transfer why why couldn't you take that 1831 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,320 why would it be a 1832 01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,880 reduction because I'm not obligated to 1833 01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,599 take a a transfer an inter facility 1834 01:38:18,599 --> 01:38:21,119 transfer right and I can't take one 1835 01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:22,800 without knowing that I've got a 911 1836 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,239 ambulance available 1837 01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:28,000 able so the only time the way it works 1838 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,119 now is if an a of service an AO 1839 01:38:32,119 --> 01:38:35,560 agency calls us a hospital Aurora I'll 1840 01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,719 just use Aurora and oskos for example 1841 01:38:37,719 --> 01:38:39,679 they'll call our Dispatch Center our 1842 01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:41,199 Communications officer will look at the 1843 01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:43,119 schedule they'll go hey we got three 1844 01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:46,199 ambulance Crews on none of them are out 1845 01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:48,080 cart blanch they've got the the green 1846 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,040 light to to send the ambulance on that 1847 01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,040 if there's an ambulance out on a 911 1848 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,760 call and there's two other Crews 1849 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,400 available again green light they can 1850 01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,280 send that they can they can send that 1851 01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:01,599 page out so tell me why this is 1852 01:39:01,599 --> 01:39:02,679 different what she made it sound as 1853 01:39:02,679 --> 01:39:03,800 though so let's say there's a transfer 1854 01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,840 that calls in the dispatch looks to say 1855 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,679 there's an ambulance available in ripin 1856 01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:09,760 then then they get the call why is that 1857 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,400 different our dispatchers know that I've 1858 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,639 got three ambulances staffed their 1859 01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:17,000 dispatchers don't know if I have one 1860 01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,920 ambulance staff they just send out a 1861 01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,360 page well they have to know that there's 1862 01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:21,760 at least one ambulance staff don't we as 1863 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:22,920 the city have to have at least one 1864 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,560 ambulance CA at all times we 1865 01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,159 try we try yes believe it or not there 1866 01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:34,480 are times there was a time of Saturday morning I didn't have a crew 1867 01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:36,239 chief for a first ambulance I didn't 1868 01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:37,960 have a paramedic scheduled for a first 1869 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,199 ambulance CU I had nobody to volunteer 1870 01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:43,360 for that that ambulance I don't have a 1871 01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,080 full-time staff I can't tell people when 1872 01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,840 they have to work but again I don't know 1873 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,159 how is that an issue if this is a 1874 01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:50,119 non-emergency transfer I guess I'm just 1875 01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:51,159 trying to understand I don't know if 1876 01:39:51,159 --> 01:39:53,000 others understand this why is this a 1877 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:54,639 sticky point and why would we have to 1878 01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:56,880 take one less transfers and two it 1879 01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,719 sounds as though the way Bobby explained 1880 01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:00,760 it is that other cities is we're not the 1881 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:01,920 only city that is worried about 1882 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,880 transfers other cities have figured this 1883 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,760 out um and are happy with it and I and 1884 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,360 I'm just trying to understand you know 1885 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:10,360 again they they say that there's a 1886 01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,040 non-emergency transfer they look to see 1887 01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,679 oh there should be an elev an an an 1888 01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:19,080 ambulance staff they call them out and they take it why would we lose why 1889 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,080 are you suggesting that if we go forward 1890 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:22,760 with this that you would have less 1891 01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:24,560 transfers 1892 01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,400 I I don't I'm talking about the 1893 01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,480 transfers that we are not obligated to 1894 01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:32,320 take from out of area sure so that would 1895 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:37,360 be a loss of revenue for those even if U riff and Medical Center called 1896 01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,719 and said we have a 1897 01:40:39,719 --> 01:40:41,920 transfer I do my best to take those 1898 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,719 transfers for them sure they're our 1899 01:40:43,719 --> 01:40:45,480 hospital but why tell me why it's 1900 01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:47,560 different but if I don't have a St 1901 01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,520 ambulance if I don't have a a second 1902 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:51,520 staffed ambulance I cannot take those 1903 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,560 transfers based on the transportation or 1904 01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,800 the administrative code that I've got 1905 01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,040 cited in my DHS 1906 01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,840 11038 I have to always have a staffed 1907 01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,000 911 ambulance available in the city 1908 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,400 before I can do any type of transfers 1909 01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:09,280 sometimes I have one sometimes I have 1910 01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,639 two sometimes I have three our 1911 01:41:11,639 --> 01:41:14,280 dispatchers know how many I have at any 1912 01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,880 given moment they know that so they can 1913 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,719 take those calls if they want F County 1914 01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:22,520 does not know that they are not 1915 01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,040 interested in knowing what my schedule 1916 01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:26,320 looks like they're just going to page an 1917 01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:28,560 ambulance and hope somebody 1918 01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,520 responds and if they don't respond again 1919 01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,760 is not emergency this is not emergency 1920 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,440 so they they would page if they got a 1921 01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:38,080 for a transfer yes they they would say 1922 01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,080 oh there should be a a one of uh 1923 01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:42,960 ambulance available and then you could 1924 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,800 decide or if those people answer they're 1925 01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,199 on there I I'm still having is I don't 1926 01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:49,760 know is anyone else confused here does 1927 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,880 everyone else understand can I can I 1928 01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,760 just make a quick suggestion to 1929 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,360 yeah 1930 01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,960 um have have you spent some time in the 1931 01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,480 Dispatch 1932 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:04,480 Center and spend two three four maybe 1933 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:07,040 full shift in the Dispatch Center and 1934 01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,199 see all of the things that the 1935 01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:11,520 communication Center do it's incredible 1936 01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:12,719 what they do that's not what I'm saying 1937 01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:14,679 I'm not questioning that I I guess I'm 1938 01:42:14,679 --> 01:42:16,360 just trying to say but I think that 1939 01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,639 would help you to understand kind of the 1940 01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:19,639 way things 1941 01:42:19,639 --> 01:42:22,080 flow and and if I may suggest the 1942 01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,239 council 1943 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:27,960 that this this is a to to me this is a 1944 01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:32,239 very vital uh part of the efficiency of 1945 01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:35,520 our agency in the EMS 1946 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,080 Department jumping to a 1947 01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,599 decision um nobody nobody on the council 1948 01:42:40,599 --> 01:42:43,000 has talked to me uh with the exception 1949 01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,599 of a few questions at two different 1950 01:42:44,599 --> 01:42:46,840 appearances before the 1951 01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:48,920 council maybe it would be a good idea to 1952 01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,000 form an advisory 1953 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,360 Council or a committee advis committee 1954 01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,440 with three Chiefs I'd love to have a 1955 01:42:56,440 --> 01:42:58,800 Communications officer a couple of 1956 01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:03,159 council members and we could sit down 1957 01:43:03,159 --> 01:43:08,440 and attempt to educate and 1958 01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:10,440 explain the 1959 01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:12,760 process why it works for 1960 01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,639 us why it works for other people in the 1961 01:43:15,639 --> 01:43:19,159 county and why it's so important why 1962 01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:20,599 having our own Communication Center is 1963 01:43:20,599 --> 01:43:23,679 so important 1964 01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:25,840 just throwing it out there as an option 1965 01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,159 I appreciate those words and again I 1966 01:43:27,159 --> 01:43:28,480 don't want to make it sound like it's 1967 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,159 not working for you right now my only 1968 01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:32,599 question was I I just didn't understand 1969 01:43:32,599 --> 01:43:34,800 why you think that you would get less 1970 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,080 transfers if that's a major concern for 1971 01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,760 you less non-emergency transfers under 1972 01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:40,360 the new system I guess I'm just having a 1973 01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,080 trouble understanding why that would 1974 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,679 jene I'm G to interrupt you here uh 1975 01:43:44,679 --> 01:43:45,920 we've been going back and forth on the 1976 01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,239 same question for quite some time now so 1977 01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:49,599 I'm going to see if anyone else has any 1978 01:43:49,599 --> 01:43:51,880 other questions for chief T out before 1979 01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:57,709 we move on to Chief Saul 1980 01:43:57,719 --> 01:43:59,360 no other questions for 1981 01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,000 him all right thank you just point of 1982 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,320 clarification we're not a volunteer 1983 01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,320 department we're paid on call EMS 1984 01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:07,000 Department C no no we're considered 1985 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,840 volunteer I we're paid on call when 1986 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,480 right right you you know what the you 1987 01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:13,320 know how much we get for every hour that 1988 01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:17,119 I'm on call 78 cents but on just for 1989 01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:18,679 clarification they're not just coming 1990 01:44:18,679 --> 01:44:20,920 and just being there because because of 1991 01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,480 it they are getting compensated for 1992 01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:25,239 their efforts right yeah okay and and 1993 01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:27,719 Jim um we 1994 01:44:27,719 --> 01:44:30,920 also and as I put uh mentioned 8 to four 1995 01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,480 week days I do have full-time staff here 1996 01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:35,360 yep same as fire department 36 to 40 1997 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,199 members full-time employees all other 1998 01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,960 places just for parts of the week so and 1999 01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,080 that has improved our response times um 2000 01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:47,360 it's it's and and I budgeted that 2001 01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,920 knowing that I could work that into my 2002 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:51,960 budget without costing the taxpayers any 2003 01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,119 money any understand Staffing trust me I 2004 01:44:54,119 --> 01:44:55,679 deal with it every day I have to do I do 2005 01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:57,920 the scheduling every week so I know what 2006 01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,800 it's like to try to schedule a 6-hour 2007 01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,480 employee an 8 Hour employee a forh our 2008 01:45:01,480 --> 01:45:03,719 employee I can understand and the 2009 01:45:03,719 --> 01:45:06,239 efficiencies um but my point is trying 2010 01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:08,080 to make that work and we do do it in 2011 01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,360 other departments so maybe it's just a 2012 01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:11,719 matter of again like you said looking at 2013 01:45:11,719 --> 01:45:14,080 your schedule looking at fire looking at 2014 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,000 EMS looking at police everybody has 2015 01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,920 different schedules you have a different 2016 01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,239 schedule than the 2017 01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:22,159 police right than there different than 2018 01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,360 the fire all pre run differently yet 2019 01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,280 they all work in their departments so I 2020 01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:28,199 can hear your passion in making your 2021 01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:30,159 schedule work for 2022 01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:32,119 you the fire department makes their 2023 01:45:32,119 --> 01:45:33,440 schedule work for them the police have 2024 01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:34,880 made their schedule work for them 2025 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:36,840 correct so I hear your passion there and 2026 01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,840 I can appreciate that sometimes it's a 2027 01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:40,320 matter of stepping back and going is 2028 01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,880 this the best way to schedule all due 2029 01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,080 respect but is it the best way is it the 2030 01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:46,960 safest is the most efficient because 2031 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:48,440 there's still inefficiencies with all 2032 01:45:48,440 --> 01:45:50,480 three I'm not saying one's right or 2033 01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:52,040 wrong I think there's inefficiencies 2034 01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,520 with all of them you can a nitpicky way 2035 01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,480 so I think it's a matter of if we do 2036 01:45:56,480 --> 01:45:59,280 change how can we schedule this better 2037 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,400 to help your employees and the services 2038 01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,520 for everybody same for the fire same for 2039 01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:04,840 the police because if this schedule 2040 01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:06,520 comes into play that could affect any of 2041 01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,440 us right so it's a matter of how can we 2042 01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:10,000 make sure all those schedules come into 2043 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,000 play so fin County does know if we go 2044 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,080 that way if we don't fine then we got to 2045 01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:16,599 look at the other ways got to look at 2046 01:46:16,599 --> 01:46:18,840 the other expenses the other costs but 2047 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:20,679 at the same time maybe it's a great time 2048 01:46:20,679 --> 01:46:23,239 too to look at those efficiencies in the 2049 01:46:23,239 --> 01:46:28,910 future if we do stay here as 2050 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,000 well so I guess that wasn't any question 2051 01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,520 sorry John I don't know if I had one in 2052 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:34,840 there I get it Jim you know you know 2053 01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,599 scheduling is not easy and I can I can 2054 01:46:36,599 --> 01:46:39,480 hear that over and over with you and I 2055 01:46:39,480 --> 01:46:42,480 appreciate that so thank 2056 01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:45,360 you all right thank you Chief te out 2057 01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:56,109 Chief sell 2058 01:46:56,119 --> 01:47:00,199 how do I follow that um first of all in 2059 01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:02,199 the beginning I have uh provided facts 2060 01:47:02,199 --> 01:47:03,840 on how we operate with dispatch from the 2061 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,840 fire end of things um you all have that 2062 01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,199 previously in your packets I've had some 2063 01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:10,639 in-depth discussions with some of you 2064 01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:12,880 answering your questions um you have 2065 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,560 over the last month or two about my pros 2066 01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:19,199 and cons um to clarify information or 2067 01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:22,639 get further input um about issues we've 2068 01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:23,719 had 2069 01:47:23,719 --> 01:47:26,119 or might have had and I thank you guys 2070 01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:28,599 for that I'm happy to answer any 2071 01:47:28,599 --> 01:47:30,960 questions uh you might have tonight 2072 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,440 related to or comparing um different 2073 01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:37,800 operations relating to the way fire does 2074 01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,840 things 2075 01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:43,320 um change is not easy for anyone and I 2076 01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:45,719 know that if we go to final Act dispatch 2077 01:47:45,719 --> 01:47:47,719 riping Area Fire District we have to 2078 01:47:47,719 --> 01:47:49,719 change and not do some things that I 2079 01:47:49,719 --> 01:47:52,599 want to do or that we want to do if we 2080 01:47:52,599 --> 01:47:55,040 stay today after realizing some things 2081 01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:58,159 that I've learned um I may I may also 2082 01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:00,239 change some 2083 01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,480 things I will work whatever with 2084 01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:04,880 whatever decision has made to best serve 2085 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,560 the ones I've have been hired as an 2086 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:11,350 expert to 2087 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:14,480 protect not to make change just because 2088 01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:16,639 it's not the way we've always done it 2089 01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:19,400 might not be the right 2090 01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:23,709 answer um 2091 01:48:23,719 --> 01:48:26,119 I'm going to close well I'm not going to 2092 01:48:26,119 --> 01:48:30,320 close yet um as far as it was way too 2093 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:31,880 early for that yeah I was going to say 2094 01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,920 that short for you as as far as the way 2095 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:40,719 the fire department Pages um for our our 2096 01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:43,560 department um first of all on on our 2097 01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:45,159 call on call program is pretty similar 2098 01:48:45,159 --> 01:48:48,360 to EMS where they have they have six 2099 01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,040 people or eight people whatever it is on 2100 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:51,679 three different Crews where we have 2101 01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:55,280 seven or eight people on one group um we 2102 01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,360 do we do have one page for that on call 2103 01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,239 group but we have three different 2104 01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:02,000 responses we have a rapid response 2105 01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,719 vehicle only calls where that group 2106 01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:07,320 still gets woken up but they only have 2107 01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:09,599 one person going out on the call we have 2108 01:49:09,599 --> 01:49:12,440 an accident where only two people go on 2109 01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:14,560 our heavy Rescue Squad but the whole 2110 01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,480 group gets woken up for the call 2111 01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:18,560 everyone else on our pages and our pages 2112 01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,960 are simar are the same pages that uh EMS 2113 01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:25,199 uses and surrounding fire departments 2114 01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:28,000 but there's also a tone on here or a 2115 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,480 button that if they're not on call those 2116 01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:32,040 seven people are on call they have the 2117 01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,440 on call on they need to know what's 2118 01:49:34,440 --> 01:49:38,280 going on but if they don't they have a 2119 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:40,320 um switch on there they switch it to G 2120 01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,320 on the pager which is for our general 2121 01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,480 alarm 2122 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:47,000 and they then that's the whole 2123 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:48,159 department so if there's a structure 2124 01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,040 fire everyone's going to know about it 2125 01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,920 so that's a little bit about how we page 2126 01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:53,679 our 2127 01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:58,119 people I would I would love to see if I 2128 01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:00,159 were to expect the dispatchers to know 2129 01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:01,880 who I'm my Battalion is covering who 2130 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,840 because it happens all the time 2131 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,119 something I would never expect the 2132 01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:07,320 dispatchers to know who's covering who 2133 01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:14,030 that's on my guys to know that 2134 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:20,080 um as far as Mutual 8 um I have seven 2135 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,520 Battalion members on a on a battalion I 2136 01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,159 have a lieutenant who rides the engine I 2137 01:50:25,159 --> 01:50:27,679 have six firefighters who ride with them 2138 01:50:27,679 --> 01:50:30,159 and I have a battalion Captain who's on 2139 01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,440 call they don't get any extra money to 2140 01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:35,360 be on call they get a stien that once a 2141 01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,800 year of $250 I believe it is to be on 2142 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,520 call but that Captain was in charge and 2143 01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:42,639 it just happened the other day we got 2144 01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:44,360 paged out to go Mutual Aid to a grass 2145 01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,360 fire all we had to do was get on the 2146 01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:50,079 radio and take a pass and we did it's 2147 01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:50,800 that 2148 01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:59,790 simple um 2149 01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,229 I'm going 2150 01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:04,520 to I'm going to 2151 01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:07,639 close by saying a couple things that we 2152 01:51:07,639 --> 01:51:09,079 need to take our personal feelings or 2153 01:51:09,079 --> 01:51:11,360 wants out of this none of this should be 2154 01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,760 personal why should we should do what's 2155 01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:15,119 best for the service we provide to our 2156 01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:17,000 community first and foremost and that 2157 01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:18,800 decision above is above any of our pay 2158 01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,159 grades back there that's you 2159 01:51:21,159 --> 01:51:23,239 guys I will 2160 01:51:23,239 --> 01:51:24,679 I have to respond to something that's 2161 01:51:24,679 --> 01:51:28,040 been set up here and that is Chief wner 2162 01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,159 stood before you guys and said this 2163 01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:32,159 change would not compromise the safety 2164 01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:33,159 of our 2165 01:51:33,159 --> 01:51:35,880 community Chief tal stood up here and 2166 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:37,840 said he disagrees that it would 2167 01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,440 compromise the safety of 2168 01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:41,960 community and I got to tell you I stand 2169 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,599 up here and I'm with Chief wner this 2170 01:51:44,599 --> 01:51:46,960 would not Chief wner would not stand up 2171 01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,199 here nor would I stand up here as the 2172 01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:51,400 fire chief who was hired to protect this 2173 01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,760 community to the best of our ility and 2174 01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,199 stand up here and not do what's right 2175 01:51:56,199 --> 01:51:58,040 for the 2176 01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:02,960 community so I had to I had to say that 2177 01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:06,360 um and again the safety of our of our 2178 01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,880 Personnel the safety of the community is 2179 01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:12,199 the utmost importance and money's 2180 01:52:12,199 --> 01:52:14,800 important yes money's important 2181 01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,679 whichever way the decision 2182 01:52:16,679 --> 01:52:18,639 goes 2183 01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:21,719 um whichever way the decision is made 2184 01:52:21,719 --> 01:52:23,320 the Ripon Area Fire District under my 2185 01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:25,079 leadership will continue to provide the 2186 01:52:25,079 --> 01:52:26,520 best service we can with the dispatch 2187 01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:28,480 capabilities we have to work with that's 2188 01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:29,800 what we have to 2189 01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:34,159 do okay but I will tell you that Chief 2190 01:52:34,159 --> 01:52:36,480 wner and chief Saul are standing here 2191 01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:37,440 and we're not telling you to do 2192 01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:39,000 something that's not in the best 2193 01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:40,440 interest and is going to compromise the 2194 01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:42,880 safety of this 2195 01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:44,560 community if you have any other 2196 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:45,679 questions I'd be willing more than 2197 01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:55,310 willing to answer them 2198 01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:57,440 could you walk us through um so let's 2199 01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,159 say there's a what's called an all call 2200 01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:03,360 or a a very let's say a very serious 2201 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:04,960 accident 2202 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:08,199 um uh or or a large house fire whatever 2203 01:53:08,199 --> 01:53:09,760 you know something that's very serious 2204 01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:11,840 that needs to be coordinated um with 2205 01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,239 other other emergency Personnel can you 2206 01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:16,280 walk through how this works for you how 2207 01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:18,840 you get called how perhaps the our local 2208 01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,320 dispatch our County might get um so 2209 01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:23,199 let's say for example 2210 01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:25,520 um yeah could you could you kind of walk 2211 01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:27,119 through 2212 01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,280 um we could take we could take a house 2213 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:30,920 fire for example and I'll make it short 2214 01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:34,639 and sweet um house fire call comes in um 2215 01:53:34,639 --> 01:53:36,679 does it go to 911 or does it go to the 2216 01:53:36,679 --> 01:53:39,040 city of Rippon I would say better than 2217 01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,280 90% of those calls do go to fondak 2218 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,599 County some of those local people know 2219 01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:45,360 the ri and number and they call they 2220 01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,400 call that either way whether it comes 2221 01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,400 from finac County or 2222 01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,440 us um it gets transferred to us our dis 2223 01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:54,239 fers they do a great job getting us out 2224 01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:57,079 the door especially those two sitting 2225 01:53:57,079 --> 01:53:59,239 right there um they do a great job 2226 01:53:59,239 --> 01:54:02,000 getting us out the door and um we get to 2227 01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,560 the fire if it's a working fire I'll 2228 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,400 take uh Joy Street for example um Joy 2229 01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:08,719 Street was the one that put a high 2230 01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:10,400 school we handle that fire with our 2231 01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,119 automatic Aid companies um which is done 2232 01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:16,159 throughout the entire County um and that 2233 01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:18,040 fire never went to a Maus alarm which is 2234 01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:20,119 a mutually a box alarm system we belong 2235 01:54:20,119 --> 01:54:23,320 to so that communication stayed right 2236 01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:26,040 through with the dispatchers in 2237 01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,239 ripping um then we'll take Jackson 2238 01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:30,560 Street for example those calls came in 2239 01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,040 through 911 they also came into the city 2240 01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:33,760 of 2241 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,599 Fondulac um we arrived on the scene we 2242 01:54:36,599 --> 01:54:38,360 knew we had people trapped on the second 2243 01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:40,960 floor we had a significant fire going on 2244 01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:44,320 uh it was a 95 degree day with 100% 2245 01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,800 humidity probably is what it felt like 2246 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,480 um we went to a Maus alarm once we go to 2247 01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:50,800 a Maus box 2248 01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,400 alarm theoretic 2249 01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:54,920 and the way it's supposed to work is all 2250 01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:56,760 that radio traffic is being done we 2251 01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:58,280 switch our Channel over to found County 2252 01:54:58,280 --> 01:54:59,880 and we're talking to them from that 2253 01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:02,000 point forward to the end of the fire 2254 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,119 there are issues that whether the 2255 01:55:04,119 --> 01:55:07,159 dispatcher says what you know um where 2256 01:55:07,159 --> 01:55:09,960 do you want the police to BL off we got 2257 01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,639 to talk to rip and them so that's kind 2258 01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:15,079 of how it ends how it goes it's either a 2259 01:55:15,079 --> 01:55:18,239 fire that's somewhat contained and we're 2260 01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:19,920 we have our capabilities with our four 2261 01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:21,079 departments that come in and help us 2262 01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:23,920 right away or we switch over to fin 2263 01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,159 County Mavis division 120 and we talk to 2264 01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:27,679 them and all the radio traffic goes 2265 01:55:27,679 --> 01:55:29,440 through them so you're already working 2266 01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:34,000 with the county is what you're saying in in some cases in in some cases yeah I 2267 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:34,760 would 2268 01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,840 say I would say if we're talking house 2269 01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:42,790 fires probably more than half our house 2270 01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:46,159 fires just to clarify uh if I heard this 2271 01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:49,119 correctly we take all the cell phone 2272 01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:53,119 calls already go to the county any 111 2273 01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:56,440 yeah any 911 phone calls okay and that's 2274 01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,639 on a cell phone correct now is there is 2275 01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:00,000 it 2276 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,320 comparable uh is it can I just say that 2277 01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,840 is it comparable to say that uh the call 2278 01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,079 if if it goes to fondak county is pretty 2279 01:56:09,079 --> 01:56:11,280 comparable to what we have already 2280 01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,520 within the city meaning reaction and how 2281 01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,920 quickly your engines get out the door um 2282 01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:19,400 that's all I 2283 01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:23,480 got if a 911 call goes to the ca County 2284 01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,880 there's I don't know Chief that's more 2285 01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,760 of a question for you to answer than me 2286 01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:30,040 there's if there's a delay there's not 2287 01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:33,320 much of a delay there um I do have some 2288 01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:40,599 if you'd like to listen to them some calls from fires um but obviously 2289 01:56:40,599 --> 01:56:42,960 not tonight but well Chief wner is 2290 01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:44,280 coming up I will say I have't had a 2291 01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:47,880 chance to listen to several 911 calls 2292 01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:51,520 and it takes a minimum of 55 seconds for 2293 01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,560 fond County to transfer that to rippen 2294 01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:56,079 and that's if the rippen dispatcher is 2295 01:56:56,079 --> 01:56:58,719 not currently already busy with another 2296 01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:01,199 call and I'm just trying to clarify so 2297 01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:03,239 that way the people because this is all 2298 01:57:03,239 --> 01:57:04,560 public and everybody can hear this I 2299 01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,000 want everybody to have as much knowledge 2300 01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,040 as possible know this way if the public 2301 01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:09,400 doesn't want to talk to us about it that 2302 01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:10,760 they have information at hand that you 2303 01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:12,840 guys have given us but now that they can 2304 01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,960 have it too so I appreciate it 2305 01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:20,189 guys and you 2306 01:57:20,199 --> 01:57:23,480 thanks so just to clarify if right now 2307 01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,159 the way the system works if if it's a 2308 01:57:25,159 --> 01:57:26,719 call that needs to come back to Ripon so 2309 01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:28,239 let's say it's a 911 call through cell 2310 01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:31,480 phone bolac County gets it they are then 2311 01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:33,199 contacting our Dispatch Center because 2312 01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,960 we have a current dispatch right so 2313 01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:37,280 that's who they have to go to there's 2314 01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,040 one person that's and if they're already 2315 01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:40,599 on the phone call with a non-emergency 2316 01:57:40,599 --> 01:57:43,679 or another emergency they have to put 2317 01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:45,119 that person on hold and they're now 2318 01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:46,840 answering 2319 01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:49,079 versus um here's here's what I was just 2320 01:57:49,079 --> 01:57:51,199 say I it blew my mind last night when I 2321 01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:53,599 was in the communication Center in the 2322 01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:54,880 county here's what happened I was there 2323 01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,000 when a 911 call came in at that time um 2324 01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,440 there's a light that goes on everyone 2325 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,239 there knows it's a 911 call immediately 2326 01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:03,320 as the person is entering the 2327 01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:04,719 information some information is already 2328 01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:07,440 prepopulated because of their technology 2329 01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,199 um so the one person was on the phone 2330 01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:10,920 with them and there was two other 2331 01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,000 dispatchers that were already contacting 2332 01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,480 because they could see on the computer 2333 01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:17,679 screen as they were typing were already 2334 01:58:17,679 --> 01:58:21,079 calling up the the police and the fire 2335 01:58:21,079 --> 01:58:22,679 simultaneously three three people were 2336 01:58:22,679 --> 01:58:26,320 on the phone while the dispatch was on 2337 01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:30,199 the phone with 911 and we I know we 2338 01:58:30,199 --> 01:58:32,000 already have Heroes that are here 2339 01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:33,440 locally in our in our local 2340 01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:35,079 Communication Center but we have we 2341 01:58:35,079 --> 01:58:37,119 don't have three people on St I mean and 2342 01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:39,360 they have four they actually there was 2343 01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:41,679 five with their supervisor at at all 2344 01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:48,320 times and so I my understanding is this question of it would take 2345 01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:52,079 longer to now dispatch riin it's because 2346 01:58:52,079 --> 01:58:53,599 we're doing it to ourselves because they 2347 01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:56,000 have to contact someone who has to then 2348 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:57,159 answer the phone and they could be on 2349 01:58:57,159 --> 01:58:58,719 the phone whereas this could be 2350 01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:01,920 happening happening I saw it firsthand 2351 01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,440 instantaneously it sounds like the delay 2352 01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:07,719 that the the concern of is only 2353 01:59:07,719 --> 01:59:10,560 caused because they need to contact our 2354 01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,040 incred and we have incredible people I'm 2355 01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:14,000 not I'm not saying like incredible 2356 01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:15,840 people and in fact we have such 2357 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,920 incredible people that um we already 2358 01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:20,960 heard that the change in pay that finac 2359 01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,719 county has um I will say that uh Bobby 2360 01:59:23,719 --> 01:59:26,040 said that uh she has been in 2361 01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:30,159 conversation with uh Personnel here and 2362 01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:32,320 she is very impressed with them you know 2363 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:34,960 there is spots that are available quite 2364 01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,159 frankly I the more they learn about the 2365 01:59:37,159 --> 01:59:39,040 fun like facility I'm afraid we're going 2366 01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,520 to lose them now she said that she said 2367 01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:42,560 that she would not hire them um knowing 2368 01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,159 that you know we if you know that we 2369 01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:45,800 have our system here she would not do 2370 01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:51,079 that to us um but I mean it just blew my 2371 01:59:51,079 --> 01:59:52,679 mind to see how this is is happening 2372 01:59:52,679 --> 01:59:55,000 instantaneously and then the other thing 2373 01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:58,639 I did ask Bobby was uh and you you all 2374 01:59:58,639 --> 01:59:59,560 know I used to come from a school 2375 01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:00,800 counselor background so I know that 2376 02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,599 there are people that um are dealing 2377 02:00:02,599 --> 02:00:04,840 with perhaps self harm suicide ideation 2378 02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:06,360 I need to State now that if that is 2379 02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:07,599 something someone is dealing with 2380 02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:10,800 there's lots of help they can get but 2381 02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:12,560 here was the exam and I said to her how 2382 02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:17,000 many calls of self harm of someone um um 2383 02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:18,280 threatening to harm themselves do you 2384 02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:19,679 get and she said quite a few I said 2385 02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:20,920 specifically how many and she said two 2386 02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:22,639 to three a day 2387 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:24,280 and under this 2388 02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:27,159 circumstance what the dispatch that is 2389 02:00:27,159 --> 02:00:29,599 available in fondel to do because they 2390 02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,719 have certification and again not because 2391 02:00:31,719 --> 02:00:34,920 our dispatch could not do this but quite 2392 02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:36,560 frankly we they just don't have the 2393 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,280 certification and there's only one 2394 02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:40,960 person is that that person would stay on 2395 02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:42,800 the phone that entire time until someone 2396 02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,119 shows up let's just take for example the 2397 02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:46,800 way I understand it and please tell me 2398 02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:48,760 if I'm right or wrong here let's say 2399 02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:50,719 someone from the city of riin calls our 2400 02:00:50,719 --> 02:00:53,079 dispatch here and they thre to harm 2401 02:00:53,079 --> 02:00:55,920 themselves now another call comes in and 2402 02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:58,880 maybe it's a car accident maybe it's a 2403 02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:01,280 fire how does that work does that 2404 02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,639 dispatch here in rippen need to put that 2405 02:01:03,639 --> 02:01:05,920 person on hold that is threatening to 2406 02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:07,639 harm themsel to answer the new call 2407 02:01:07,639 --> 02:01:09,079 coming in and perhaps it's even a 2408 02:01:09,079 --> 02:01:10,920 non-emergency someone complaining about 2409 02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:13,960 grass is that what our current situation 2410 02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:18,639 is yes that's pretty much a summary of 2411 02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:21,320 it this becomes almost emotional for me 2412 02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:24,040 I mean I can't imagine having a loved 2413 02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:25,760 one in a 2414 02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,679 crisis and they have to our current 2415 02:01:28,679 --> 02:01:30,880 system that per they have to be put on 2416 02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:34,119 hold or let's say um you know our 2417 02:01:34,119 --> 02:01:35,639 dispatch you know they could be helping 2418 02:01:35,639 --> 02:01:37,320 with bleeding control it could be 2419 02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:40,199 helping someone with a defibrillator CPR 2420 02:01:40,199 --> 02:01:43,360 currently right now we can't do that gets pushed over to the 2421 02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,560 county because we do not have someone to 2422 02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:48,159 stay on the phone so what we're saying 2423 02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:50,760 is we could and and I know that our 2424 02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:52,000 dispatchers are more than capable of 2425 02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,639 doing this they just again they can't 2426 02:01:53,639 --> 02:01:55,040 because we don't have the capability 2427 02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:57,239 that we could have that immediately 2428 02:01:57,239 --> 02:01:58,560 someone staying on the phone with 2429 02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:00,520 someone help with CPR instruction to 2430 02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:02,520 help with child birth bleeding control 2431 02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:03,880 helping with self 2432 02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,880 harm and we could have this but we 2433 02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:09,560 currently right now do not and 2434 02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:12,760 irregardless of cost I just 2435 02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:14,679 think 2436 02:02:14,679 --> 02:02:17,199 wow if it's my loved one I want to make 2437 02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:18,679 sure that there is someone on the phone 2438 02:02:18,679 --> 02:02:25,109 until help shows up 2439 02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:26,760 I'll come back up and address a couple 2440 02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:28,560 things I appreciate what You' said there 2441 02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:31,719 Jolene um obviously the you know the 2442 02:02:31,719 --> 02:02:33,679 Chiefs have come up 2443 02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:36,199 um the Chiefs are very passionate about 2444 02:02:36,199 --> 02:02:38,360 their departments um I've taken no 2445 02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:39,800 offense to anything that's been set up 2446 02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:42,000 here tonight really what they want is 2447 02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,639 they want the best for their departments 2448 02:02:44,639 --> 02:02:48,159 um and I and I think that you know this 2449 02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:51,239 is a very important topic um and there's 2450 02:02:51,239 --> 02:02:53,719 a lot of concern consideration here as 2451 02:02:53,719 --> 02:02:56,440 far as the the dispatchers you've raised 2452 02:02:56,440 --> 02:03:00,320 some some interesting points there um 2453 02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,800 and I you know I appreciate that Bobby 2454 02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:06,239 um said she wouldn't hire anybody from 2455 02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:08,679 here until you know our if if that was 2456 02:03:08,679 --> 02:03:11,400 something we decided but quite frankly 2457 02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:13,960 um those employees have stated to me 2458 02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:14,960 that they 2459 02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,960 wouldn't leave here before that change 2460 02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:23,920 occurred because quite frankly they're loyal to to the mission of 2461 02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:25,719 Emergency Response with our community 2462 02:03:25,719 --> 02:03:27,880 and that's just the type of people they 2463 02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,239 are 2464 02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:33,880 so I don't know where we go from here um 2465 02:03:33,880 --> 02:03:37,079 you know Chief Tel has certainly offered 2466 02:03:37,079 --> 02:03:38,159 you a 2467 02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:44,270 suggestion um I don't 2468 02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:47,719 know I I leave it up for you for any 2469 02:03:47,719 --> 02:03:49,800 questions you have for me or some 2470 02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:56,229 further direction that you would like 2471 02:03:56,239 --> 02:03:59,520 obviously right now we've sorry we've 2472 02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,880 budgeted 2021 as if the Communication 2473 02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:06,079 Center is here so that's taken care of 2474 02:04:06,079 --> 02:04:08,000 um because we didn't know decisions that 2475 02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:09,400 were going to made and discussions that 2476 02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:11,440 were going to be happening one question 2477 02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:14,520 for you on that uh the gentleman uh 2478 02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:17,639 Allen from the county executive in his 2479 02:04:17,639 --> 02:04:19,920 letter the number nine the 2480 02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:23,079 administrative review board 2481 02:04:23,079 --> 02:04:25,440 not familiar with that we'd have three 2482 02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:28,440 people on it MH what exactly do they do 2483 02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:30,320 I mean we're going to be by going with 2484 02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:32,960 them we're right now we're free to do 2485 02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:36,159 what we want I mean it's our dispatch 2486 02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:40,000 yeah we control we policy and generally 2487 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,320 what happens is let's say the Chiefs 2488 02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:44,440 have you know together we discuss if 2489 02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:46,239 there's a policy change that needs to be 2490 02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:47,520 made or something that's happened that 2491 02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:49,960 we need to address we discuss that 2492 02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:54,280 together and then uh we Implement that change with our 2493 02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:55,960 Communications officers and we would 2494 02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:58,360 lose that going to fondel act to a 2495 02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:01,320 certain extent basically it's a group 2496 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:03,800 it's a board made up of the entities 2497 02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:05,719 that are involved with the 2498 02:05:05,719 --> 02:05:08,159 communications so we'd be three of how 2499 02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:10,960 many people on this board I I don't know 2500 02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:15,800 how many total John do you know nine right nine that are on it so it's 2501 02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:18,960 representatives from each okay so 2502 02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:25,520 there's nine right now on it I think so there'd be 12 yeah on it so we'd have 2503 02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:29,159 you'd have one quarter of the pole so to 2504 02:05:29,159 --> 02:05:31,000 speak and in our discussions if I 2505 02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,599 remember correctly typically they only 2506 02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:37,239 allow two per Community yeah however 2507 02:05:37,239 --> 02:05:39,040 we're a little different because the 2508 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:40,880 fire department is separate from the 2509 02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:43,199 city it's a separate entity really it's 2510 02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:45,520 a fire district so they would allow for 2511 02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:48,559 that third voice from them okay if that 2512 02:05:48,559 --> 02:05:51,360 was the conversation if I recall that's 2513 02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:52,480 why they 2514 02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,800 had okay so the fire department's kind 2515 02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:58,320 of a wild card being a area ripping area 2516 02:05:58,320 --> 02:05:59,800 well they're they're yeah they're 2517 02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:01,599 separate from the city function so the 2518 02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:04,400 police and EMS orable City own okay but 2519 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:08,280 the city would always have two yes okay 2520 02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:10,719 do you have any concerns with that if 2521 02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:13,880 you if we'd have to go this way with the 2522 02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:15,760 board with the yeah having to go to a 2523 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,920 board inste it's just the three of you 2524 02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:20,440 having control well obviously you know 2525 02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:23,679 that was one of the factors as to why we 2526 02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:26,199 retained our Dispatch Center back when 2527 02:06:26,199 --> 02:06:28,079 that all happened was because of that 2528 02:06:28,079 --> 02:06:30,599 loss of home rule that loss of 2529 02:06:30,599 --> 02:06:34,199 control um you know that existed at that 2530 02:06:34,199 --> 02:06:37,360 time the relationships were different um 2531 02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:40,480 people involved were different um if you 2532 02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:42,800 remember there wasn't a standalone 2533 02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:46,760 Communication Center with you know that 2534 02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:48,719 was they were combining with the 2535 02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:51,040 sheriff's department who was the major 2536 02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:55,239 controller there that since moved 2537 02:06:55,239 --> 02:06:58,639 so yeah you're losing 2538 02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:00,880 that I'll be honest I'm losing my 2539 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:05,480 control my my say even you know and not 2540 02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:07,920 that I would ever do this but obviously 2541 02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:09,280 one of those Chiefs could come to me and 2542 02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:11,079 say I want this to be done and I could 2543 02:07:11,079 --> 02:07:11,960 say 2544 02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,000 well because of these reasons you know 2545 02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:17,679 that control we lose okay do you have 2546 02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:19,520 concerns about that 2547 02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:24,000 board just the fact that two two items 2548 02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:25,599 when I brought this up at the previous 2549 02:07:25,599 --> 02:07:26,719 meet first 2550 02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:29,840 off if something if something comes up I 2551 02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:32,280 can walk in the Bill's office consult 2552 02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:34,159 with the fire chief if it involves his 2553 02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:38,559 Department we can solve that in an hour 2554 02:07:38,559 --> 02:07:40,400 right and he can he can put up and and 2555 02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,280 we can walk up to the Dispatch Center 2556 02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,000 and and consult with our Communications 2557 02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:46,639 officers and say hey this is a problem 2558 02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:49,400 giv me your thoughts and boom it's taken 2559 02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:52,199 care of and Bill will change or 2560 02:07:52,199 --> 02:07:53,760 procedural change there won't be a 2561 02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:55,719 problem so that's that's one is timeless 2562 02:07:55,719 --> 02:08:00,000 of something okay um and secondary yeah 2563 02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,000 we we would lose you know the bargaining 2564 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:10,719 power that we have you know it's it's you know and kud Bill he's and 2565 02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:14,079 chief all with me we walk office and say 2566 02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:16,280 Bill you know I'd like this to happen 2567 02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:19,239 bill this was a problem how we fix this 2568 02:08:19,239 --> 02:08:22,079 he makes sure it gets fixed if and when 2569 02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:23,239 I go to the 2570 02:08:23,239 --> 02:08:25,599 board they're going to tell I'm not 2571 02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:26,760 going to say what they're going to say 2572 02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:29,079 but oh that's a riffin problem but it's 2573 02:08:29,079 --> 02:08:31,199 not a fond like problem it's not an nor 2574 02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:34,440 problem it's not a won problem so we're 2575 02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:36,159 not going to do anything about it that's 2576 02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:39,159 my concern okay so but if they see it as 2577 02:08:39,159 --> 02:08:41,440 a universal problem sure I I would hope 2578 02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:44,040 that everybody would look at it but the 2579 02:08:44,040 --> 02:08:48,280 problem that we have our community 2580 02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:51,159 problems I felt that a Ripp Community 2581 02:08:51,159 --> 02:08:52,800 problem 2582 02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,599 would affect you know what what would F 2583 02:08:56,599 --> 02:08:59,320 why would F care if we needed to send a 2584 02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:01,360 different truck to the fire or something 2585 02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:03,599 like that so and the other thing too is 2586 02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:05,840 Bobby Bobby 2587 02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:08,360 has she can do a lot without doing that 2588 02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:10,800 board so I don't want to make you think 2589 02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,239 that everything that Bob's controlled by 2590 02:09:13,239 --> 02:09:15,639 that board she can take care of the easy 2591 02:09:15,639 --> 02:09:18,920 stuff but if if it's a major change then 2592 02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:22,119 that board is going to review it it 2593 02:09:22,119 --> 02:09:24,960 it's the right thing to do all right I 2594 02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:26,920 think I got to say something too and 2595 02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:30,440 that's um if it's been and John's kind 2596 02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:33,719 of right in One Way by saying um you 2597 02:09:33,719 --> 02:09:36,800 know if it's a Ripp and related problem 2598 02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:38,199 that's probably going to be more of a 2599 02:09:38,199 --> 02:09:40,079 Lobby thing to say how do we work this 2600 02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:42,480 out if it's a probably bring to the 2601 02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,440 board it might not address the whole 2602 02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:46,960 concern for everybody else they might 2603 02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:48,840 not be concerned about it but maybe it's 2604 02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:51,040 something that affects everyone else um 2605 02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:51,960 so 2606 02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:53,320 yeah 2607 02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:56,000 there's there's pros and cons both and 2608 02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:57,559 the bottom yeah and I don't mean to cut 2609 02:09:57,559 --> 02:09:59,000 you off but the bottom line is that was 2610 02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:00,280 one of the reasons we retained our 2611 02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:03,199 Dispatch Center was to REM remain was to 2612 02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:04,119 have that 2613 02:10:04,119 --> 02:10:06,639 control because of and and again things 2614 02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:08,599 have changed drastically since that time 2615 02:10:08,599 --> 02:10:10,800 and and she's expressed that she's 2616 02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:12,079 always willing to listen and work 2617 02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:14,559 through problems so 2618 02:10:14,559 --> 02:10:16,679 um we didn't have the same offer on the 2619 02:10:16,679 --> 02:10:18,880 table bill sorry all du respect we 2620 02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:20,639 didn't have the same offer on the table 2621 02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:23,040 years ago that we we do now no 2622 02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:25,599 budgetarily operationally correct 2623 02:10:25,599 --> 02:10:27,880 everything it is a completely different 2624 02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:30,440 op so much has changed since that time 2625 02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:34,960 that technology issues money whatever 2626 02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:38,040 thanks Bill John all right thank 2627 02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:40,480 you I'm trying to pull these numbers 2628 02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,320 from all these different 2629 02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:44,679 pages and so I'm going to need some help 2630 02:10:44,679 --> 02:10:49,040 from everybody if we go to the fond 2631 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:50,719 County dispatch that cost the city of 2632 02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:53,559 ripping $100,000 a 2633 02:10:53,559 --> 02:10:55,599 year 2634 02:10:55,599 --> 02:10:58,679 EMS the 247 2635 02:10:58,679 --> 02:11:01,760 365 is 2636 02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:03,800 175,00 a 2637 02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:07,400 year extra officer that the chief wants 2638 02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:11,119 or needs would be 100,000 a year so 2639 02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:12,520 that's at 2640 02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:14,360 475 2641 02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:17,159 200,000 and I don't have a number for if 2642 02:11:17,159 --> 02:11:18,679 you're going to 2643 02:11:18,679 --> 02:11:22,719 retain um a front Des or 2644 02:11:22,719 --> 02:11:25,239 assistant in the police department what 2645 02:11:25,239 --> 02:11:28,320 that cost would be per year but the way 2646 02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:32,880 I add it up it's it's well over what the 2647 02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:37,280 10e projection is to keep the Personnel 2648 02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:42,470 cost for the Dispatch Center in 2649 02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:45,880 rippen so it am I looking at those 2650 02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:49,079 numbers right and pulling them together 2651 02:11:49,079 --> 02:11:51,920 well let me just and I'm not sure 2652 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:53,840 where you're looking specifically let's 2653 02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:55,559 just kind of walk through this just so 2654 02:11:55,559 --> 02:11:56,920 that you know we 2655 02:11:56,920 --> 02:12:00,000 don't so when you look at the first the 2656 02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:01,559 first thing I would ask you to look at 2657 02:12:01,559 --> 02:12:02,800 when you're when you're talking about 2658 02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:06,320 just the money is this box MH this box 2659 02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:09,440 graph here so Personnel costs 2660 02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:15,760 alone that articulates to you a projection 2661 02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:19,400 based on a 3% increase which is marginal 2662 02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:20,920 compared to what it generally has been 2663 02:12:20,920 --> 02:12:22,800 that's what you're looking at over the 2664 02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:27,239 next um 10 years versus what the tax 2665 02:12:27,239 --> 02:12:29,440 levy from Fond black will be that's 2666 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:33,159 Personnel cost alone okay when you add 2667 02:12:33,159 --> 02:12:36,280 in those other things you're looking at 2668 02:12:36,280 --> 02:12:39,239 again over the next 10 years probably 2669 02:12:39,239 --> 02:12:41,119 another $1.8 2670 02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:43,559 million 2671 02:12:43,559 --> 02:12:47,159 on stuff that we use every year so 2672 02:12:47,159 --> 02:12:50,719 licensing agreements uh telephone lines 2673 02:12:50,719 --> 02:12:53,440 those typ of things can be $18,000 to 2674 02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:57,119 $20,000 a year so let's say let's say 2675 02:12:57,119 --> 02:12:59,800 over the next 10 years let's say 2676 02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:03,880 180,000 but um you know that pushes that 2677 02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:05,440 number up even further that doesn't 2678 02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:07,599 count in any type of infrastructure 2679 02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:09,280 issues that you're going to have to 2680 02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,679 replace so it doesn't count in the 2681 02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:15,000 $140,000 for a 911 system doesn't you 2682 02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:17,920 know add those things in Personnel costs 2683 02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:21,960 are always the highest thing okay okay 2684 02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:23,920 whenever we're talking about 2685 02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,520 this certainly you know where we're 2686 02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:29,239 going with Personnel costs and that's no 2687 02:13:29,239 --> 02:13:31,040 fault of the employees that's no fault 2688 02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:32,920 of anybody that if they just are what 2689 02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:36,280 they are 90% of my budget over 90% of my 2690 02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:39,000 budget is Personnel cost so that plays a 2691 02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:42,679 significant role in that number um but 2692 02:13:42,679 --> 02:13:45,960 yeah if you and again the officer 2693 02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:48,559 position that you suggest and that that 2694 02:13:48,559 --> 02:13:51,719 we talked about that would be a 2695 02:13:51,719 --> 02:13:53,960 just from my standpoint that would be a 2696 02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:56,159 budgetary item that would be requested 2697 02:13:56,159 --> 02:13:57,760 in 2698 02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:01,199 2022 if if I believe that need is still 2699 02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:04,000 needed at that time um and you could 2700 02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:06,199 always say we're not doing that as a 2701 02:14:06,199 --> 02:14:08,199 council you could eliminate that out of 2702 02:14:08,199 --> 02:14:11,480 the budget is that need regardless if we 2703 02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:12,480 switch 2704 02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:15,960 over or if we stay well the reason that 2705 02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:17,760 I'd be looking for that additional 2706 02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:21,760 officer would be to again if if our 2707 02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,320 dispatchers are not here during those 2708 02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,960 evening hours anytime somebody comes in 2709 02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:29,079 the lobby wanting to talk to an officer 2710 02:14:29,079 --> 02:14:31,119 I've got to pull somebody off the 2711 02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:35,040 road um to do that um so I may have 2712 02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,639 officers that are going to be subjected 2713 02:14:37,639 --> 02:14:40,199 to being in the Dispatch Center handling 2714 02:14:40,199 --> 02:14:41,960 those things that Communications 2715 02:14:41,960 --> 02:14:45,159 officers had been doing in the past so I 2716 02:14:45,159 --> 02:14:48,639 need to be careful about getting making 2717 02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:50,599 sure I've got coverage for the community 2718 02:14:50,599 --> 02:14:52,000 as well as is answering those things 2719 02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:53,880 that the dispatchers are doing here now 2720 02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:56,679 currently so that's a significant issue 2721 02:14:56,679 --> 02:14:58,520 yeah um so so yeah if the if the 2722 02:14:58,520 --> 02:15:00,159 Communication Center stayed I don't 2723 02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:01,599 think that there would be a need for us 2724 02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:05,159 to request that good um with the and and 2725 02:15:05,159 --> 02:15:07,639 I agree with the with the cost that 2726 02:15:07,639 --> 02:15:10,400 Chief Tel is indicating to you that he 2727 02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:11,199 would 2728 02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:14,880 need whether you agree with those or not 2729 02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:17,760 that causes you to really look at the 2730 02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:22,040 numbers here as to where we're at and there's not a lot of 2731 02:15:22,040 --> 02:15:26,549 leeway um in regards to 2732 02:15:26,559 --> 02:15:29,520 that but again those are in my opinion 2733 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:31,040 those are budgetary items those are 2734 02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:33,679 issues that 2735 02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:37,079 certainly you know and again not I'm not 2736 02:15:37,079 --> 02:15:39,800 being disparaging of EMS or his needs 2737 02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:42,159 he's articulated those to you but as I 2738 02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:43,719 stated in the document those are 2739 02:15:43,719 --> 02:15:46,480 budgetary requests that we all have to 2740 02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:49,000 make if I believe I need a new officer 2741 02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:50,360 or an additional officer I would make 2742 02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:52,000 that as a budget AR request you could 2743 02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:54,320 deny that same thing with him he would 2744 02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:56,280 make that as a budgetary 2745 02:15:56,280 --> 02:16:00,840 request so you know but if if all things 2746 02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:04,639 considered if he got all of his requests 2747 02:16:04,639 --> 02:16:06,760 that he wants I got my requests the fire 2748 02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:09,199 chief got whatever he wanted yeah you're 2749 02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:11,800 looking at where where the savings comes 2750 02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:13,760 from are 2751 02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:17,040 those those if there are if there is 2752 02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:20,199 savings is that remember the county will 2753 02:16:20,199 --> 02:16:22,760 cover all of the hardware expenditures 2754 02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:25,239 in the future all of those issues they 2755 02:16:25,239 --> 02:16:28,159 take the liability issues away they take 2756 02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:30,400 all those employment issues away that's 2757 02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:32,120 part of that 200,000 that you're going 2758 02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:37,280 to be paying so but I agree you start to 2759 02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:40,080 look at it and you really got a question 2760 02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:42,960 here you made a comment and I might have 2761 02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:45,519 misunderstood it you said that 2762 02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:49,040 200,000 stays on the table as long as 2763 02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:53,960 the that Elbo they executive is yeah I 2764 02:16:53,960 --> 02:16:55,800 mean we don't have I don't know what the 2765 02:16:55,800 --> 02:16:58,040 future would hold obviously the 2766 02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:00,000 agreement is the agreement and AR our 2767 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,000 argument would be that's the agreement 2768 02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:04,559 that's what you said this is what we 2769 02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:08,880 signed that's what it is um obviously if 2770 02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,679 you know 10 years from now a different 2771 02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:13,880 County exec came in he might say well 2772 02:17:13,880 --> 02:17:16,439 maybe we want he could make that 2773 02:17:16,439 --> 02:17:20,080 argument or she could a 10year contract 2774 02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,319 is that what it is that's what I read it 2775 02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:23,960 to be now I don't know I don't believe 2776 02:17:23,960 --> 02:17:26,679 so wasn't reduced to no there's no time 2777 02:17:26,679 --> 02:17:30,160 limit on it okay I will tell you that 2778 02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:41,349 the amount that the city of 2779 02:17:41,359 --> 02:17:45,760 fondaco with him we don't believe that there's any intention of that ever 2780 02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:52,110 changing 2781 02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:54,840 this is not an easy conversation I I 2782 02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:57,200 understand that 2783 02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:59,599 but and I will add because it's not easy 2784 02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:01,679 I can't stress enough how much I learned 2785 02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:03,040 and I don't want to talk so much here 2786 02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:05,559 but I do think it's interesting um that 2787 02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:07,120 Bobby hin said I was the only council 2788 02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:09,200 member that that came and visited and 2789 02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:11,359 sat down with her and and I say this 2790 02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:14,599 because the question of uh for example 2791 02:18:14,599 --> 02:18:15,920 the the leadership board that she was 2792 02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:18,000 talking about if it comes down to riing 2793 02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:19,479 having control what they said is they 2794 02:18:19,479 --> 02:18:21,160 are making an exception as we just heard 2795 02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:23,160 for us to have three every other city in 2796 02:18:23,160 --> 02:18:25,200 the county their EMS and fire are 2797 02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,479 together which is why they only have two 2798 02:18:27,479 --> 02:18:29,679 so if we're worried about having sort of 2799 02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:31,880 more say if anything ripping they are 2800 02:18:31,880 --> 02:18:34,760 seeding more sort of say to us because 2801 02:18:34,760 --> 02:18:37,479 they're allowing us to have three people 2802 02:18:37,479 --> 02:18:40,840 at that table from the city of Rippon um 2803 02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:43,439 and she also said that here's a neat 2804 02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:45,280 thing because you're now combined you 2805 02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:46,319 know we're afraid that we're not going 2806 02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:47,920 to be able to solve something 2807 02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,120 immediately but on the same token we 2808 02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:51,840 don't have to they have four they have 2809 02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:54,160 quarterly meetings formally but you can 2810 02:18:54,160 --> 02:18:56,439 call any time to her she said call 2811 02:18:56,439 --> 02:18:57,760 anytime if there's an issue you have 2812 02:18:57,760 --> 02:18:58,960 you're not going to wait until the 2813 02:18:58,960 --> 02:19:01,000 meeting you know the quarterly meeting 2814 02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:02,439 and she said here's a neat thing we have 2815 02:19:02,439 --> 02:19:04,160 other people at the table that probably 2816 02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:06,519 have also dealt with this issue so the 2817 02:19:06,519 --> 02:19:09,160 concern now is we're losing out on that 2818 02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:11,040 other brain power expertise from other 2819 02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:12,880 cities that they could be collaborating 2820 02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:15,559 with us to come up with an idea um and 2821 02:19:15,559 --> 02:19:17,040 so that's what what she assured me I 2822 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,559 also had the question about um you know 2823 02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:21,960 the cost and speaking of Al beel um 2824 02:19:21,960 --> 02:19:23,359 let's hope he doesn't retire soon and 2825 02:19:23,359 --> 02:19:25,280 here's the really the important thing is 2826 02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:27,559 that he is including he's not charging 2827 02:19:27,559 --> 02:19:29,960 the city of ripping for CAD licensing 2828 02:19:29,960 --> 02:19:32,880 for software uh for mobile computer 2829 02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:35,920 licensing for the squad cars these are 2830 02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:38,160 things that Bobby said other counties 2831 02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,160 she knows for a fact are charging this 2832 02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:42,880 the municipalities for alen has said the 2833 02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:45,399 city of rippen folks are taxpayers for 2834 02:19:45,399 --> 02:19:47,800 the county I want to make sure that that 2835 02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:50,840 we're not making money off of this so 2836 02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:52,800 you know uh he could retire he could 2837 02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:54,960 change jobs next year and it was pretty 2838 02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:57,760 clear that we're sort of lucky that 2839 02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:00,600 we're only being charged of 200,000 2840 02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:04,479 where they could request more based on the levy and what the needs are and 2841 02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:06,880 what quite frankly seems to be common at 2842 02:20:06,880 --> 02:20:10,960 other places I will also state that um 2843 02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:13,920 Bobby said that for six months a 2844 02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:16,680 dispatcher is never on the call alone 2845 02:20:16,680 --> 02:20:18,240 when they're training because of the 2846 02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:20,080 seriousness of the situation for 2847 02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:21,200 emergency 2848 02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:23,200 so for 6 months there's always someone 2849 02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:26,359 else listening in providing support we 2850 02:20:26,359 --> 02:20:28,000 there's no way we can have that we don't 2851 02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,160 have that and and she also has weekly 2852 02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:32,479 meetings with her staff she said also 2853 02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:34,680 there's post-traumatic stressor briefing 2854 02:20:34,680 --> 02:20:37,520 they have EAP um when someone having a 2855 02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:39,439 hard day maybe they just were on the 2856 02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:41,120 dispatch with someone that unfortunately 2857 02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:43,200 passed away she can say to them take a 2858 02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:45,280 breather we have three four other people 2859 02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,399 here right now we can't do that if I'm 2860 02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:50,000 looking out for the best needs of our 2861 02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,240 dispatchers Qui quite frankly the way 2862 02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:53,800 she's able to she put humor up there 2863 02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:56,000 she's checking in with them personally 2864 02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:57,840 she's providing professional develop I 2865 02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:59,680 mean if if I'm looking out for the best 2866 02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,680 of our dispatchers wow I mean we don't 2867 02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:04,520 have someone that right now I mean 2868 02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:06,439 obviously each of you are looking at 2869 02:21:06,439 --> 02:21:07,840 that department heads the the well-being 2870 02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:10,040 of the dispatchers but at the county we 2871 02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:12,240 have someone who is literally in charge 2872 02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:13,960 with making sure the health well-being 2873 02:21:13,960 --> 02:21:16,600 the mental health of their dispatchers 2874 02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:18,200 are taken care 2875 02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:21,439 of wow 2876 02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:24,240 I'd like to hope that I do that yes and 2877 02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,520 I think you do pay attention to their to 2878 02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:28,160 their needs no you do but what I'm 2879 02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,040 saying you're not but I understand 2880 02:21:30,040 --> 02:21:31,439 you're not that's not your professional 2881 02:21:31,439 --> 02:21:34,080 sort of main role I get it yep I get it 2882 02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,280 there certainly are things that uh they 2883 02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:38,880 offer that we cannot offer um there is 2884 02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:42,680 no argument there um the Staffing the 2885 02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:45,640 budget they have the facility the 2886 02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:47,399 equipment there are certain things that 2887 02:21:47,399 --> 02:21:49,920 they they can do not to take away from 2888 02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,080 any of our 2889 02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:53,720 you're not doing that and I know you 2890 02:21:53,720 --> 02:21:55,680 take care of them and they they and they 2891 02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:57,160 talk so highly of 2892 02:21:57,160 --> 02:21:59,840 you I would just like to add to that 2893 02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:02,600 note no matter how exceptional our 2894 02:22:02,600 --> 02:22:04,680 dispatchers are and they are 2895 02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:07,240 exceptional I don't think they can 2896 02:22:07,240 --> 02:22:09,120 provide the level of service that having 2897 02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:11,399 three or four or five Dispatchers in one 2898 02:22:11,399 --> 02:22:15,319 room right can do by themselves I mean 2899 02:22:15,319 --> 02:22:16,680 they are 2900 02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:20,040 exceptional but they don't have the 2901 02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:21,880 backup that 2902 02:22:21,880 --> 02:22:26,520 fond and in my 2903 02:22:26,520 --> 02:22:30,439 opinion the city would benefit 2904 02:22:30,439 --> 02:22:33,479 vastly by going to the Fondulac Dispatch 2905 02:22:33,479 --> 02:22:37,680 Center and hopefully our dispatchers can 2906 02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:39,800 make their system better and go and work 2907 02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:41,359 there for those that are willing to make 2908 02:22:41,359 --> 02:22:44,080 the commute 2909 02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:47,080 but the way I see it it's the best for 2910 02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:52,070 our community 2911 02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:55,880 just take the money out of it 2912 02:22:55,880 --> 02:23:00,510 safety 2913 02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:05,190 U that's 2914 02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:07,520 simple but that's my 2915 02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:11,120 two I got say one more thing I I gave up 2916 02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,640 my hour at 2917 02:23:13,640 --> 02:23:20,680 theum only 10 minutes into it so um as uh I'm getting dirty looks um as 2918 02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:22,479 Chief teach out said he wanted or he 2919 02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:25,479 needs this when Chief wner was up here 2920 02:23:25,479 --> 02:23:27,720 he said well you know he wants this I 2921 02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:30,200 want that I want this I got to be honest 2922 02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:33,880 with you um our fire department is very 2923 02:23:33,880 --> 02:23:37,960 comparable to what Pon ederton and baru 2924 02:23:37,960 --> 02:23:40,680 and all those departments um they're 2925 02:23:40,680 --> 02:23:43,080 very similar to ours where they operate 2926 02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:45,800 fire and at EMS those departments have 2927 02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:48,840 two to three full-time employees let me 2928 02:23:48,840 --> 02:23:52,640 tell you I want full-time employees okay 2929 02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:54,680 I want two more full-time 2930 02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:56,560 employees 2931 02:23:56,560 --> 02:23:59,560 but we operate similar to EMS and I will 2932 02:23:59,560 --> 02:24:02,640 tell you that on the Fire end of it it's 2933 02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:04,920 not com down to the want I want those 2934 02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:08,520 employees that's a budgetary item 2935 02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:11,000 and I don't need those employees just 2936 02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:13,399 because we're just on the Fire end just 2937 02:24:13,399 --> 02:24:14,960 because we're switching dispatch centers 2938 02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:16,680 or potentially switching dispatch 2939 02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:17,960 centers like you 2940 02:24:17,960 --> 02:24:20,520 said I just want you to know that we 2941 02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:23,479 doing that with one employee and we're 2942 02:24:23,479 --> 02:24:26,520 we don't need those other employees to 2943 02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:32,190 answer those calls to make the system 2944 02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:39,630 work I'm done talking serious thank 2945 02:24:39,640 --> 02:24:42,240 you any other questions or comments on 2946 02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:45,240 this topic for the 2947 02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:47,720 evening any instructions to departments 2948 02:24:47,720 --> 02:24:57,710 for further information 2949 02:24:57,720 --> 02:24:59,439 hold it over for another meeting then 2950 02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:00,640 continue the 2951 02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:03,960 discussion although I will ask Bill one 2952 02:25:03,960 --> 02:25:07,640 question um as far as timeline goes in 2953 02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:10,880 order to implement what your suggested 2954 02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:13,399 timeline how quickly do we need to have 2955 02:25:13,399 --> 02:25:15,880 a firm decision to implement that yeah I 2956 02:25:15,880 --> 02:25:18,160 think we need to you know for for a 2957 02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:19,920 number of reasons one is you know the 2958 02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:21,359 transition with the colony they're 2959 02:25:21,359 --> 02:25:24,720 working on whether they need to as part 2960 02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:27,600 of their Hardware budget budget uh with 2961 02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:29,479 their transition as far as our 2962 02:25:29,479 --> 02:25:31,479 capabilities here to incorporate that 2963 02:25:31,479 --> 02:25:32,840 what that's going to look like or if 2964 02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:34,920 we're not going to be here anymore so 2965 02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:36,279 they've got some things there that they 2966 02:25:36,279 --> 02:25:38,640 need to answer in a relatively short 2967 02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:42,359 time um and quite frankly 2968 02:25:42,359 --> 02:25:45,040 um I think our our Communications 2969 02:25:45,040 --> 02:25:49,120 officers deserve an answer here um on 2970 02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:51,960 where we're going to go um we've been 2971 02:25:51,960 --> 02:25:54,359 struggling with this for um a number of 2972 02:25:54,359 --> 02:25:56,359 months and obviously it's an important 2973 02:25:56,359 --> 02:25:58,840 conversation but I think they deserve 2974 02:25:58,840 --> 02:26:01,319 that and regardless of how this goes so 2975 02:26:01,319 --> 02:26:04,439 I would say that if we could you know 2976 02:26:04,439 --> 02:26:07,240 maybe give you an opportunity to reach 2977 02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:09,200 out answer some more questions with 2978 02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:12,279 either any of the Chiefs directly um but 2979 02:26:12,279 --> 02:26:16,670 I would think that next meeting we need 2980 02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:20,920 to decide where we're going here 2981 02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:22,439 first meeting in 2982 02:26:22,439 --> 02:26:24,800 December that is there a meeting there's 2983 02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:27,439 a 23rd right there's one one more this 2984 02:26:27,439 --> 02:26:29,399 month this month again it's up to the 2985 02:26:29,399 --> 02:26:30,800 council I'm just thinking to give the 2986 02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:33,640 council an opportunity to really digest 2987 02:26:33,640 --> 02:26:36,200 what we've heard and obviously and if 2988 02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:38,720 it's a huge decision and if we are to 2989 02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:41,880 make the change what do you need from 2990 02:26:41,880 --> 02:26:48,240 us as far as backing or motions or just 2991 02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:51,960 direction to do it 2992 02:26:51,960 --> 02:26:54,000 um I would think that we need to 2993 02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:55,800 finalize that agreement with the county 2994 02:26:55,800 --> 02:26:58,680 correct yes that route that would be the 2995 02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:01,000 only thing and then we've kind of 2996 02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:03,439 outlined some suggestions there within 2997 02:27:03,439 --> 02:27:04,880 the documents 2998 02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:07,840 that would dictate how we would transfer 2999 02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:10,040 funds and as far as holding them over 3000 02:27:10,040 --> 02:27:11,960 and those type of things but we would 3001 02:27:11,960 --> 02:27:13,680 take care of that internally I would 3002 02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:15,160 think the only thing that we would need 3003 02:27:15,160 --> 02:27:17,680 would be to approve probably some type 3004 02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:20,760 of approval of the the agreement with 3005 02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:23,439 the county the formal approval process 3006 02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:26,160 but that would come after your decision 3007 02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:31,110 on how you 3008 02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:35,510 go any more discussion for this 3009 02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,920 evening and do we have a hard copy of 3010 02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:41,880 the agreement from the county no not yet 3011 02:27:41,880 --> 02:27:44,040 they're waiting for Direction they 3012 02:27:44,040 --> 02:27:46,399 haven't drawn up an agreement yet well 3013 02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:48,760 the agreement pretty much the agreement 3014 02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:50,880 is outlined in the document that elb 3015 02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:52,760 sent I I would imagine there wouldn't be 3016 02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:55,359 much more different than that but that 3017 02:27:55,359 --> 02:27:56,720 kind of outlines what that agreement 3018 02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:59,000 would be other than locking into a 3019 02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:00,479 timeline I think the common Council 3020 02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:02,160 would be interested to 3021 02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:04,720 know if they'd be willing to enter into 3022 02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:07,560 a memorandum of understanding as to how 3023 02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:10,160 long the $200,000 would 3024 02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,760 apply certainly an important factor in 3025 02:28:12,760 --> 02:28:15,279 the decision so maybe you can reach out 3026 02:28:15,279 --> 02:28:17,840 to him and see I can do that yep bill 3027 02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:20,840 and his memo used the 10year window 3028 02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:23,600 um so maybe 10 years is not a bad place 3029 02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:25,200 to 3030 02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:29,040 start why perf yeah I would I would not 3031 02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:31,640 put the 10 years in there quite frankly 3032 02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:33,359 I would not even put a number in there I 3033 02:28:33,359 --> 02:28:36,000 would just leave it openend we're going 3034 02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:38,080 to get that leaving it open-ended I 3035 02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:40,399 think is a risk when you don't have Alo 3036 02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:43,279 for that much longer um I just think 3037 02:28:43,279 --> 02:28:45,200 that's a risk so I'm just throwing the 3038 02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:48,160 10 year-old there is kind of a a window 3039 02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:50,520 that I think he may be able to with the 3040 02:28:50,520 --> 02:28:53,120 county but I don't know that I'm just I 3041 02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:55,359 don't think anybody's going to look 3042 02:28:55,359 --> 02:28:58,000 on they made representation cuz I asked 3043 02:28:58,000 --> 02:28:59,560 a specific question at the last meeting 3044 02:28:59,560 --> 02:29:01,120 and they had they made representation 3045 02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:02,720 that it was going to be in perpetuity 3046 02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:04,439 okay and that's fine that's the way I 3047 02:29:04,439 --> 02:29:07,960 took it that can be I understood it 3048 02:29:07,960 --> 02:29:11,479 sorry if I be a wonderful lock in have a 3049 02:29:11,479 --> 02:29:13,080 memorandum of understanding that and I 3050 02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:15,840 think that didn't lauran that was our 3051 02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:17,600 understanding for the purpose of 3052 02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:19,240 allowing the city to participate in the 3053 02:29:19,240 --> 02:29:21,080 911 program 3054 02:29:21,080 --> 02:29:23,120 and there's cancellation cancellation 3055 02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:25,080 Clauses on each side I mean it's all in 3056 02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:28,080 there all right all right um so we'll 3057 02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:29,680 hold this discussion over for the next 3058 02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:31,960 meeting and hopefully if you have any 3059 02:29:31,960 --> 02:29:33,319 questions for the Chiefs please reach 3060 02:29:33,319 --> 02:29:35,960 out to them and they will give you your 3061 02:29:35,960 --> 02:29:39,240 answers uh moving on to uh project 3062 02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:41,760 updates and staff reports Lori I have 3063 02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:45,600 nothing uh Mike do you have any 3064 02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,800 Chief other 3065 02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:52,000 Chiefs all right um those staff reports 3066 02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,760 um just a big thanks to Mike's crew for 3067 02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:57,160 the leaves I know it's been a big two 3068 02:29:57,160 --> 02:29:59,399 weeks here obviously in all month but 3069 02:29:59,399 --> 02:30:01,840 past two weeks with the weather we had 3070 02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:03,479 they've they've been out there all the 3071 02:30:03,479 --> 02:30:05,160 I've seen them constantly out there so 3072 02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:08,870 thank you doing a wonderful 3073 02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:12,040 job and you are scheduling till the 20th 3074 02:30:12,040 --> 02:30:14,720 of this month that is correct okay so 3075 02:30:14,720 --> 02:30:16,640 everybody out there listening knows to 3076 02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:19,120 get their rakes out and get at it coming 3077 02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:22,600 over um sure why not so you got one more 3078 02:30:22,600 --> 02:30:25,160 good weekend of raking 3079 02:30:25,160 --> 02:30:29,840 yep weather depending all right um so I 3080 02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:31,160 have no appointments tonight just a 3081 02:30:31,160 --> 02:30:32,800 couple of comments uh first on the 3082 02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:34,880 elections I personally want to thank our 3083 02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:37,080 city clerk and Sher and all the poll 3084 02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:38,720 workers for their hard work during the 3085 02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:40,760 entire election season it's no longer an 3086 02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:41,840 election 3087 02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:45,479 day um second as a reminder to the 3088 02:30:45,479 --> 02:30:47,560 community the ripen City's sign 3089 02:30:47,560 --> 02:30:49,319 ordinance requires that all political 3090 02:30:49,319 --> 02:30:51,960 signs must be removed 3 days following 3091 02:30:51,960 --> 02:30:54,640 the election as is now a week past the 3092 02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:56,800 election all those political signs 3093 02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:58,840 should now be taken 3094 02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:02,439 down uh and Co updates uh new cases are 3095 02:31:02,439 --> 02:31:05,279 skyrocketing in the state in the county 3096 02:31:05,279 --> 02:31:09,040 the country um the world um as weather 3097 02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:12,040 cools down people stay indoors more and 3098 02:31:12,040 --> 02:31:13,600 causes a higher chance of getting 3099 02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:16,520 infected and infections are increasing 3100 02:31:16,520 --> 02:31:17,560 almost 3101 02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:22,479 exponentially rippen's new cases have been holding fairly steady at a 3102 02:31:22,479 --> 02:31:25,479 high point um but they're steady uh 3103 02:31:25,479 --> 02:31:28,120 unfortunately our infection rate is very 3104 02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:30,840 high most days are between 20 and 3105 02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:33,399 60% this means that people are likely 3106 02:31:33,399 --> 02:31:35,439 only getting tested once they display 3107 02:31:35,439 --> 02:31:38,200 symptoms that leaves the people who are 3108 02:31:38,200 --> 02:31:40,520 asymptomatic to possibly spread the 3109 02:31:40,520 --> 02:31:43,240 disease if you are exposed or if you 3110 02:31:43,240 --> 02:31:46,279 have had contact with someone who tests 3111 02:31:46,279 --> 02:31:49,080 positive get yourself tested there are 3112 02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:50,880 free testings sites in Oshkosh and 3113 02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:53,720 Fondulac uh the ashkash site is still 3114 02:31:53,720 --> 02:31:56,319 open 6 days a week I believe the 3115 02:31:56,319 --> 02:31:59,760 Fondulac one may be down to one day uh 3116 02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:01,040 in the 3117 02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:03,040 meantime 3118 02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:05,479 everyone uh should continue to stay home 3119 02:32:05,479 --> 02:32:07,319 unless you have essential business or 3120 02:32:07,319 --> 02:32:10,600 shopping to conduct and when you are out 3121 02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:12,439 wear face coverings and continue to 3122 02:32:12,439 --> 02:32:13,840 social 3123 02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:17,000 distance on a positive note a vaccine 3124 02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:18,840 that shows an effective level of more 3125 02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:21,040 than 90% 3126 02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:24,800 um with little to no side effects is 3127 02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:27,640 pending FDA approval currently if 3128 02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:29,680 approval is granted distribution of the 3129 02:32:29,680 --> 02:32:32,840 vaccine could begin before the end of 3130 02:32:32,840 --> 02:32:35,120 this year First Responders and healthc 3131 02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:36,720 care workers would receive vaccines 3132 02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:40,000 first and General Distribution to the 3133 02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:43,960 rest of the country would be most likely 3134 02:32:43,960 --> 02:32:48,399 in early to mid spring of next year so 3135 02:32:48,399 --> 02:32:51,200 there may be an end on the horizon 3136 02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:53,840 as always be safe stay healthy and 3137 02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:55,560 remember to be kind considerate and 3138 02:32:55,560 --> 02:32:59,359 respectful to others any comments or 3139 02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:02,960 future agenda items from Council 3140 02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:06,160 Members hear oh John I've gotten a 3141 02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:09,160 couple complaints about the 100 200 and 3142 02:33:09,160 --> 02:33:12,120 300 block of Watson Street and what can 3143 02:33:12,120 --> 02:33:13,840 be placed on the 3144 02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:17,040 sidewalks and I'd like an 3145 02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:19,560 explanation official explanation of what 3146 02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:22,720 can be placed on the 3147 02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:24,319 sidewalks 3148 02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:28,200 Flags A-frame or open signs or whatever 3149 02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:30,680 it is I've read the ordinance and 3150 02:33:30,680 --> 02:33:34,640 it's to me it's a little bit confusing 3151 02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:39,000 pardon it's vague yeah so if L 3152 02:33:39,000 --> 02:33:42,080 coulde that clar clarification for the 3153 02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:44,080 next meeting yep all right we're going 3154 02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,399 to bring it up at our historic 3155 02:33:45,399 --> 02:33:48,680 preservation meeting so I would like to 3156 02:33:48,680 --> 02:33:50,319 eventually have a 3157 02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:52,000 Something official from 3158 02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:58,110 L okay thank you thank you anyone 3159 02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:01,000 else is there a motion to adjourn I'll 3160 02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:02,120 move to 3161 02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:05,920 adjourn second moved by Ben second by 3162 02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:10,200 David all those in favor say I I opposed 3163 02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:18,710 we are 3164 02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:22,720 adjourned e