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[19:16] 701 I will call the common council
[19:18] meeting for this evening to order we
[19:20] have roll call please certainly Mr
[19:22] Shader here Mrs shot singer here Mr
[19:24] Hansen here Mr gallops here Mr Morrison
[19:27] here Mrs Kane
[19:29] Mr W Mr W here Mr split here we have a
[19:40] quorum aliance to the flag of the United
[19:44] States of America and to the Republic
[19:46] for which it stands one nation under God
[19:51] indivisible with liy and justice for
[19:56] all Heavenly Father we thank you you for
[19:59] this day we thank you for the many
[20:01] blessings you have bestowed upon this
[20:04] community and its citizens father we ask
[20:08] that in these times of
[20:09] uncertainty that we're able to look to
[20:12] you that that uncertainty through you
[20:15] will lead us to certain things moving
[20:18] forward in our lives we pray for those
[20:20] that are in need those that may have
[20:23] health concerns we pray for everyone in
[20:25] our community in our County in our state
[20:28] and in our nation father we ask that you
[20:32] be with us tonight as we go through our
[20:34] deliberations that we may do so in a
[20:37] manner that is pleasing to you in your
[20:40] name we pray amen is there a motion to approve
[20:50] tonight's
[20:52] agenda make a motion we approve the
[20:54] agenda second and moved by David
[20:57] seconded by John
[20:59] any
[21:01] discussion hearing no discussion all
[21:03] those in favor of approving the agenda
[21:04] say I I I
[21:07] opposed agenda is approved now time for
[21:10] public comment we have a few people want
[21:13] to speak this evening uh this is an
[21:16] opportunity for citizens to come before
[21:18] the council with comments and concerns
[21:20] on any current city issue knowing that
[21:22] no action will be taken
[21:24] tonight all that I ask is that you keep
[21:26] a civil and respectful and within 5
[21:29] minutes however discussion of personnel
[21:32] or of individual members of the common
[21:35] Council shall not be considered
[21:37] appropriate I would also expect Council
[21:40] to treat the citizens with the same
[21:43] respect when I call your name please
[21:45] step forward to the lecturn here and
[21:49] state your name and address before you
[21:51] uh start your
[21:54] discussion first person is Jeff
[21:57] Blackburn
[22:04] my name is Jeff Blackburn I live at 553
[22:07] Hall Street
[22:09] ripping uh I'm just here
[22:12] to bring up anything new or if anybody
[22:15] has any questions about the ATV routes
[22:17] and the city
[22:18] limits um pretty much went over
[22:21] everything in the last meeting I do have
[22:24] some books that I've received that Ben
[22:27] has a copy
[22:29] um I received these they're actually
[22:31] from the kettle Marine area from the ATV
[22:35] clubs around that area that this is
[22:38] their pamphlet that they use to acquire
[22:41] routes so if anybody wants a copy just
[22:44] let me know explains everything word for
[22:48] word
[22:50] um last night was the town of rien
[22:53] meeting it's going to get brought back
[22:56] up again next month they're waiting for
[22:58] phone calls and emails to get back and
[23:01] get any information that they've been
[23:03] looking for but in the meantime since
[23:05] the last time we met here I believe was
[23:08] two months
[23:10] ago
[23:12] um some of the surrounding
[23:16] areas that are different than ripping
[23:19] but I'm just putting it out that some of
[23:22] the other areas that I've gotten on
[23:24] board town of Oakfield is
[23:26] passed uh Nikia my Township and NEP esum
[23:31] Township are marked and
[23:34] open um that connects elero and the
[23:37] friendship
[23:38] Township um town of Rosendale meeting
[23:41] was last night uh I I asked them about
[23:45] it and they wanted information as soon
[23:47] as possible so their board members could
[23:49] talk about
[23:50] it um so they have their
[23:53] information
[23:55] um town of Rushford is open
[23:59] the town of wapan is open and then also
[24:02] the city of wapan has has been open and
[24:06] uh UDA had their meeting last night and
[24:10] they passed so they're in the process to
[24:12] start writing an agenda uh writing the
[24:15] ordinance and the town of atonement also
[24:18] passed a couple weeks ago so at this
[24:22] point everything to the south of us is
[24:26] open will be open with the town of Moman
[24:30] and I don't know where the town of ripen
[24:32] is really going to sit on
[24:35] it um I mean they're interested in us
[24:38] coming and talking about it but with
[24:40] this Co it's impossible to get people to
[24:42] come I live in the city so what I
[24:46] say doesn't have that much value because
[24:49] there's nobody else there but somebody's
[24:53] got to start the more people get driving
[24:55] around I believe and seeing the signs of
[24:58] around the community people are going
[25:00] to ask about it cuz there's people that
[25:03] have ATVs that have no idea that there's
[25:06] routes so I just know from the
[25:09] standpoint with some of the business
[25:11] owners I talk to in town downtown and at
[25:15] the retail end of town on the west end
[25:16] of town they think it would help their
[25:21] business um like the downtown people
[25:24] think that the ATV traffic would get
[25:28] people to venture the long way through
[25:31] town to travel on a mini vacation or
[25:34] something versus traveling with a car
[25:36] like last night I use the example
[25:39] traveling from like ashkash to Juno you
[25:41] don't drive through downtown rien to get
[25:43] there you go around RI and and take the
[25:46] highway so I think there's a lot of
[25:49] opportunity
[25:51] for exposure for businesses that people
[25:54] don't even know exist in the
[25:56] town so with
[26:01] that
[26:02] uh in the city we don't have any streets
[26:05] over 35 mil an hour so that really isn't
[26:09] nothing to discuss but uh one thing that
[26:13] I would like myself to see is for the
[26:17] minimum age limit to be 16 and have a
[26:19] valid driver's license in order to
[26:21] operate so with that you're going to
[26:24] have people that are going to probably
[26:25] break the law and ride that are young
[26:27] but their parents are going to find out
[26:29] and it's a pretty hefty
[26:31] fine so I mean
[26:34] it's kind of will take care of
[26:37] itself and like the fellow said that
[26:39] come last time you know it's going to be
[26:41] busy at first if you would open the
[26:44] routes in the middle of June they're
[26:46] probably going to be super busy versus
[26:48] opening them now and having the people
[26:51] that really want to
[26:53] ride get out and do it now and then come
[26:56] springtime when it's nice you don't have everybody out at one
[27:00] time
[27:02] so I would just mainly like to see the
[27:05] 16-year-old age limit just for
[27:07] [Music]
[27:08] safety and that's your five minutes
[27:12] that's it
[27:14] [Music]
[27:15] too all right thank
[27:18] you do you want you want to
[27:22] those anybody would like a copy that's
[27:25] super informative it explains all the
[27:27] laws
[27:29] finds
[27:33] statistics just leave with Lori she can
[27:44] distribute I apologize though I didn't I
[27:46] didn't have time to get it converted
[27:48] over to the city of ripping but the
[27:50] formats for the township it's all the
[27:53] same besides the map all right thank
[27:56] you all right next I will call
[27:59] Marcy
[28:09] Culver hi there my name is Marcy Calver
[28:12] my address is w47 49 St Road 2373
[28:16] Princeton
[28:18] Wisconsin so I'm here because I own
[28:21] Marcy's pet spa in rien I've been here
[28:23] for about four years a little over four
[28:25] years and I've grown and I am asking for
[28:30] um permission to do some overnight stay
[28:33] for dogs so um I I have a grooming salon
[28:37] right now and I have a grooming Academy
[28:39] and we have training um cat grooming dog
[28:42] grooming um everything that we need for
[28:45] this area but we do need um some
[28:47] overnight stay for dogs a lot of my
[28:49] clients um come to my house in the city
[28:52] in Princeton and we do some boarding
[28:54] there but we just need a a safe place
[28:56] for them to be able to stay so I've sent
[28:59] you all my um information from my other
[29:02] two locations I have three locations um
[29:05] so I've been doing this for about 15
[29:07] years and I have two really successful
[29:10] um boarding facilities up in one in West
[29:12] Salem and one in Sparta they're about
[29:15] 10,000 square fet I have about 40
[29:18] employees and we do um a lot of
[29:21] overnight boarding so um I just feel
[29:24] like it's really needed for my ripping
[29:26] clients to have a place to put their
[29:27] dogs for a safe like a safe stay um so
[29:31] as you can tell on the papers we do um
[29:33] rooms we don't do kennels so we do like
[29:36] a I think they're like a 4x4 inch or 4x4
[29:39] foot room some of them are 5x5 um Katie
[29:42] can give you more information on that
[29:43] but um and they're just a room for them
[29:46] to stay in with like a noise barrier and basically they have um just a nice
[29:51] easy place to stay so we don't do
[29:54] canaline so that's just something I've
[29:56] never wanted to do or never believed in
[29:58] because I wouldn't want my dogs to be in
[29:59] a
[30:00] kennel so that's what we've done and
[30:02] I've done that for about 13 years in
[30:04] West Salem I have 35 um rooms up there
[30:07] um soundproof beautiful rooms as you can
[30:10] tell um so that's what kind of what I'm
[30:13] asking to do and the building that I'm
[30:14] looking to purchase I gave you the
[30:16] information on is the old um New Image
[30:18] building in town on
[30:20] 23 and um it's perfect for what I'm
[30:24] wanting to do because I want to do like
[30:26] a joggy um Hotel Airbnb very very nice
[30:30] rooms very soundproof um and just like
[30:33] an extension of my business and only
[30:35] really from my clients so usually all my
[30:37] boarding clients have to be a client of
[30:40] mine from a nail trim or something so we
[30:43] kind of compact the business so that's
[30:45] kind of what I'm asking to do um that
[30:47] building is perfect for me I would
[30:50] extend I would keep both locations for
[30:52] now and eventually um eventually down
[30:55] the road probably just have the one but
[30:57] I would keep them both both and um right
[30:59] now I have grooming I have boarding I
[31:00] have grooming I have a grooming Academy
[31:04] training and I just think that this is a
[31:07] something that rien could use and um
[31:10] yeah and I plan to make if you can see
[31:11] the rooms very soundproof very safe and
[31:15] we don't plan on doing a daycare ever
[31:17] but we what we do is we have a little
[31:18] room set aside for our boarding dogs so
[31:21] they go in the their Suites at night and
[31:23] they go in the little room during the
[31:24] day so there's very little barking my
[31:26] West salum location we have we we're in
[31:28] a residential um business area but we're in a business area but our whole
[31:33] area is residential so we're round
[31:34] houses and we have had no complaints so we take the dogs out of the boarding
[31:39] Suites at about 6:30 in the morning then
[31:41] they're in a little play area through
[31:43] the day and then we put them back in
[31:44] about 8:30 at night so they don't stay
[31:46] in their suets all day they're very
[31:48] tired they sleep good so I just really
[31:51] am hoping that riffen will allow me to
[31:52] do this cuz I think it'll be a really
[31:54] good extension um for the area so we
[31:56] only want to do 10 rooms in the basement
[31:58] of this building for this
[32:01] so yeah and I think I sent you guys all
[32:03] my information so um I'm I will if this works out and it's approved I
[32:09] will put an offering on the building and
[32:11] go forward and I out and our outdoor
[32:13] area will be about 15 to 20 um it's not
[32:16] a big area um just for um the boarding
[32:20] dogs to go out during the day but it
[32:22] will be a vinyl fence or a wood fence
[32:24] and it'll be a small area so we do a lot
[32:27] of um boarding dogs will get walks
[32:29] because we'll only have 10 of them so um
[32:32] it's pretty basic and simple I don't
[32:34] I've been doing this a long time I
[32:35] haven't had any issues um my other
[32:37] location is in Sparta by Fort McCoy we
[32:40] have 35 boarding Suites in both of L's
[32:42] locations so this one will be a smaller
[32:43] level and it'll just I think it'll be a
[32:46] really great addition to my business and
[32:48] what this area needs and I'm really
[32:50] hoping that rippen will see it as like
[32:52] an Airbnb or a doggy Hotel type
[32:55] environment so so it's a it's uh very
[32:58] minimal boarding Suites and I'm hoping
[33:01] that um we can just ease the pain for
[33:03] this area because there's nowhere to
[33:05] take your dogs for an overnight stay
[33:07] that people feel comfortable with so
[33:09] that's what I'm asking
[33:11] for all right um if you stick around the
[33:15] council members might have some
[33:16] questions for we get to that discussion
[33:17] I okay great thank you thank you uh
[33:21] Katie henriksson
[33:29] hi um Katy Henrickson West Salem W 4183
[33:33] sesa Drive um I just kind of wanted to
[33:36] back up what Marcy said so I run our
[33:38] West Salem location um so that's our
[33:40] really main busiest location um and I
[33:44] don't know if you guys have any
[33:45] questions about how we do our overnight
[33:48] pet stay there but um she kind of hit on
[33:50] all the main points it's a a 5x5 squ
[33:53] foot room a suite we call it so um I
[33:56] take people on tours a lot through there
[33:58] and I'm always impressed by people are
[34:00] so happy that they get to see the room
[34:02] their dog stays in and it's not a kenel
[34:05] um generally we've had a lot of good
[34:07] success with our pet STS at W Salem so
[34:11] um I'm here maybe later if people have
[34:13] more questions about that I'd love to
[34:14] answer
[34:15] them yeah thank
[34:20] you all right uh that is all I have for
[34:23] public comment so next order businesses
[34:26] to accept the
[34:29] uh um I have a comment I I think it
[34:33] would be incredibly remiss if the C the
[34:37] council did not commend um an and her
[34:41] election crew for the wonderful job that
[34:45] they did uh with the the national
[34:48] election local state um but record
[34:52] turnout um talked with many people they
[34:55] said the process was well done
[34:58] was quick was safe um well run and um I I think they deserve it commodation
[35:06] for all of their
[35:09] [Music]
[35:17] efforts thank you
[35:19] L all right uh now we'll move on to
[35:22] accepting the uh reports from standing
[35:25] committees and staff is there a motion
[35:27] to do that
[35:30] I I would like I want to make a motion
[35:32] to pull item number seven uh the report
[35:35] of the senior
[35:38] center I don't I
[35:42] need is that a motion to approve
[35:45] everything with the exception of item
[35:47] number seven that is correct
[35:51] second has been moved and seconded any
[35:55] discussion hearing none other those in favor of approving the uh
[36:00] committee reports except for item number
[36:01] seven say I I I opposed those are
[36:05] approved
[36:07] anding the reason why I pulled that is
[36:09] that I just wanted to take a moment to
[36:12] highlight uh to the public that our
[36:14] director of the senior center naren uh
[36:17] did ask us for help to spread the word
[36:20] that there are meals available to All
[36:21] fondak County residents 60 and older uh
[36:24] or having a spouse who's 60 or older and
[36:26] that um that the meals are available
[36:29] Monday through Friday except for
[36:31] holidays for a $3 suggested donation and
[36:34] especially during this time of a
[36:36] challenging times I wanted to just make
[36:39] sure that our folks all throughout the
[36:41] county know that they can contact the
[36:43] senior center and um get get a a a warm
[36:51] meal and so this is why I pulled that
[36:53] item and so at this point I move to
[36:56] approve item number seven the report
[36:59] from the Senior Citizens Center is there
[37:02] a second for that second mov by Jolene
[37:06] seconded by David any discussion
[37:09] Jim the senior Senate will not be
[37:11] delivering those meals and they are not
[37:13] coining those meals correct they have to
[37:15] get a friend or relative to go pick up
[37:16] those
[37:17] meals with the covid situation I do not
[37:20] believe with the fin County that we can
[37:22] be delivering those correct so um I do
[37:26] think just so people are aware we're not
[37:28] delivering that they can we will help
[37:30] them arrange getting a meal yes so here
[37:32] it says the direct language which is
[37:34] also available I believe on our website
[37:37] when we submit this you know the reports
[37:40] correct um all reports are available on
[37:43] the website under the
[37:45] minutes uh of the meeting laor did you
[37:47] are you shaking your head yes that this
[37:49] will be up on in the minutes there the
[37:53] yeah the minutes are the whole agenda
[37:55] packet is on the website everything you
[37:56] have before for you yeah so um thank you
[37:59] uh Mr word for saying that so A Friend
[38:01] neighbor or relative May pick up the
[38:03] meal and bring to the recipient if the
[38:05] recipient is unable to get the meal so
[38:07] that's a very good point and the meals
[38:09] are take home and eat you do not come to
[38:11] the senior center to pick to to eat to
[38:14] eat them
[38:19] yes any further discussion or
[38:24] questions all those in favor of
[38:27] approving item number seven say I I I
[38:30] opposed that's
[38:32] approved uh tonight on the consent
[38:35] calendar we just have the minutes from
[38:37] several meetings is there a motion to
[38:39] approve
[38:40] that motion to approve it second by Ben
[38:44] seconded by John any
[38:48] discussion hearing none all those in
[38:51] favor of approving the consent calendar
[38:52] say I I opposed that is approved
[38:57] moving on to discussion items uh first
[39:00] item is the pet
[39:03] boarding anyone like to start the
[39:05] discussion or we' kind of got a synopsis
[39:08] already what what is what is what is
[39:10] going on yeah what is the deal with this
[39:12] whole thing do you want to start this I
[39:14] will I will Lori and I have had some
[39:17] discussions with Marcy and Marcy and I
[39:20] have had some discussions over the last
[39:22] couple of weeks regarding this concept
[39:25] and she presented it very well to the
[39:28] body in the sense that she has an
[39:30] existing business but the business that
[39:33] she has does not allow for kenneling or
[39:37] boarding those are the words in our
[39:39] current ordinance and kenneling or
[39:42] boarding can only take place in a zone
[39:45] of agricultural there's is no other
[39:48] kennel or bordering boarding of animals
[39:52] anywhere else in the city so what she's
[39:55] indicating is she's ated a property in a
[40:00] particular Zone and I think it's is that
[40:02] B2 Lori yes B2 Zone uh that may be
[40:06] perfect for her needs if it were to be
[40:10] permitted it is not permitted so this
[40:13] evening what she is seeking from the
[40:16] common council is direction that this
[40:19] matter be referred to the plan
[40:21] commission to amend the ordinance to
[40:25] reflect that there is a another type of
[40:29] activity other than kenneling or
[40:32] boarding and Lori and I went back and
[40:34] forth in terms of trying to come up with
[40:35] a name and I think this evening pet
[40:38] hotel may be as good as any quite
[40:41] frankly pet Spot pet pet Spas doesn't
[40:44] suggest overnight pet hotel does so
[40:46] maybe it's a pet hotel that we would
[40:50] consider as a city in certain zones with
[40:55] restrictions on condition use granting
[40:58] within that zone right now there is no
[41:01] way that she can do this there is no way
[41:03] that this would be permitted at that
[41:05] location she'd have to find an
[41:07] agricultural location under the current
[41:10] written words of our ordinance so that
[41:13] is what she is seeking and essentially
[41:16] it's a motion from this body if they
[41:18] have any interest and I think she did a
[41:20] good job of presenting it and there's
[41:22] someone here to answer other questions
[41:23] is to move it to the plan commission to
[41:26] study whether or not pet hotels at
[41:30] certain locations in the city would be a
[41:34] new use of property in certain zones
[41:39] with certain
[41:40] restrictions then for the sake of
[41:42] additional discussion I'll make a motion
[41:44] move to the plan Planning Commission for
[41:47] consideration second move B seconded by give it to
[41:53] John any further discussion on this
[41:59] topic
[42:00] tonight and and then it will come back
[42:03] to us for final approval of the
[42:04] ordinance so that we'll come back to
[42:06] council again absolutely the plan
[42:08] commission is going to take a look at it
[42:10] um it seemed like a reasonable offer
[42:13] certainly other communities have done
[42:16] this it to me seems to be different than
[42:19] kenneling and boarding and so it is
[42:22] something to at least look at as a
[42:23] community and where that may be
[42:27] appropriately situated in our community
[42:29] and again keeping the string of
[42:31] conditional use available if it were to
[42:34] be granted in a given
[42:36] situation the only other comment would
[42:38] be with the plan commission to look at
[42:40] um possibly with our present day pet
[42:43] ordinance as far as the community with
[42:46] needing approval of surrounding areas or
[42:48] something like that not sure if it's
[42:50] pertinent or not but it may be something
[42:52] to look at because then if we Chang this
[42:55] one then we're changing another one
[42:57] uh in a residential area instead of a B2
[42:59] that's why I think the definition is so
[43:01] important correct I think the definition
[43:03] defining a pet hotel as opposed to
[43:06] liberalizing
[43:08] kenneling um I think is really the key
[43:10] to it and I think Marc did a good job of
[43:13] laying out that it's different and the
[43:15] definition of what that means in a state
[43:18] exactly exactly thank you
[43:27] um so I know that the the purpose of our
[43:30] council is to make sure when anything
[43:31] new is is brought forth that we make
[43:33] sure all of our eyes are dotted te's are
[43:35] crossed um but I'm conscious that the
[43:37] person that brought forward this change
[43:39] Marcy who's here tonight um is looking
[43:42] at needing to put in a a bid to even uh
[43:46] have this project be considered for her
[43:49] I don't know how timely that is but I'm
[43:51] conscious that bringing this to plan
[43:52] commission and then coming back here
[43:55] what what is the estimated time frame
[43:57] that this process will be before it
[44:00] could be approved officially yeah it's
[44:02] as quickly as the plan commission can
[44:04] move on it and you can make an offer
[44:06] contingent on the approval she
[44:08] absolutely can so I think that she can
[44:11] do that if she gets a sense that this
[44:14] Council might be positive to it I I
[44:17] think that um I don't know what type of
[44:19] indication uh we it's a motion that L
[44:23] has made would be assigned to her that
[44:25] at least it's moving forward
[44:27] and I think the strength of her argument
[44:30] lies in the details and I think you saw
[44:33] that she's done her homework so um you
[44:35] know nobody can guarantee it right
[44:37] nobody can guarantee it and and you're
[44:39] not making those kind of motions on a
[44:41] zoning question uh you know I appreciate
[44:43] what you're saying but it's amending a
[44:46] zoning ordinance that has to take place
[44:48] there is no other way around this we
[44:50] can't suddenly stand up and say oh never
[44:52] mind our ordinance and I'm not asking
[44:54] for that to be clear no no no I
[44:55] understand I I just want to make it
[44:57] clear to the listening public and to uh
[45:00] the potential applicant that if I if
[45:03] Lori and I could find another way to
[45:05] bring it to the common Council we
[45:07] probably would have there is only one
[45:09] way and that's to amend the law and
[45:11] there's a process for that and that's
[45:13] the motion that's been made this
[45:20] evening yes I'd just like to say I've
[45:23] personally been at Marcy's West Salem
[45:26] location it Top Notch is clean they have
[45:30] good workers um every the customers feel
[45:34] safe dropping off their their pets so um
[45:38] I would say it would be a good fit in
[45:40] ripping if we can make it work legally
[45:43] in that
[45:50] location you just looking to make an
[45:52] exception for this one case or are we
[45:54] changing the law completely changing the
[45:56] law and that's why that's why I preface
[45:58] my comments that I think you want to
[46:01] distinguish it from boarding and
[46:03] kenneling and so Lori and I have kind of
[46:05] kicked it back and forth and Marcy was
[46:07] aware of my concerns and I think as good
[46:12] as anything is pet hotel and I think
[46:14] John's comments kind of tie back into
[46:16] that So the plan commission's got to
[46:18] wrestle with definition okay um just
[46:20] going to get the definition and make
[46:22] where a B2 can be
[46:25] a hotel yep okay that hotel conditional
[46:29] use in B2 zoning is probably as
[46:33] expansive as we would get I don't think
[46:36] uh anybody here is looking to stick it
[46:38] in a residential area or anything like a
[46:40] residential area but B2 has many types
[46:43] of uses right that one could argue are
[46:47] sometimes noisy sometimes busy sometimes
[46:51] whatever other objections you might have
[46:53] to it
[46:59] any other questions
[47:05] comments hearing none all those in favor
[47:09] of uh moving this item to be referred to
[47:13] the plan commission say I I
[47:17] opposed all right that will be taken up
[47:19] by the plan commission so Merc you
[47:21] understand what's going on do you
[47:23] understand the next steps going to plan
[47:24] commission I think so yeah yeah we'll
[47:27] come back here so Lori will be in touch
[47:29] with you and let you know in the plan
[47:30] commission when it'll be on the agenda
[47:32] so you guys can be part of that sorry
[47:35] laor will get in touch with you guys
[47:36] when it's going to be on the plan
[47:37] commission so then you can be part of
[47:39] that yeah and I know L just said my real
[47:41] like um if I I know you can't give me a
[47:43] time frame but I'm probably going to put
[47:44] an offer on the building just contingent
[47:46] with this because I don't want someone
[47:48] else to get it but I haven't seen much
[47:50] interest in the building but um there is
[47:52] no way to give any type of time frame is
[47:53] that correct
[47:58] well plan commission meets next week so
[48:00] we can get it on their agenda
[48:08] and all
[48:10] right moving on to the next item the uh
[48:13] Amendment to The Chronic nuisance
[48:16] premises
[48:20] ordinance thanks Mr Mayor um as the
[48:23] council knows uh we've had some
[48:25] discussions throughout the summer and
[48:28] early fall here about code enforcement
[48:31] and issues involving that throughout the
[48:33] city um we've had discussions at length
[48:36] really about that topic so um if you
[48:39] recall the last time that we kind of
[48:41] raised that topic uh one of the things
[48:43] that we decided to do was myself along
[48:45] with City attorney City administrator
[48:48] director of Public Works got together to
[48:50] kind of figure out where we were going
[48:52] what we needed to do what we needed to
[48:54] address in order to move forward with
[48:56] some code enforcement concerns that we
[48:58] were seeing um basically the discussion
[49:01] that we had uh between that group of
[49:04] people um really validated the need that
[49:07] we needed to have those three entities
[49:10] that are currently involved in CT
[49:12] enforcement the Police Department Public
[49:14] Works and building inspector code
[49:17] enforcement uh continue to be involved
[49:19] in those things however we recognize
[49:22] that there needs to be some adjustments
[49:24] made in the process to run smoother cre
[49:26] create more accountability and um
[49:29] enforcement
[49:31] response so uh some of the changes that
[49:34] we're moving forward with um as we
[49:38] tackle this issue is the police
[49:40] department will now transition will
[49:43] handle all those things that we have
[49:44] been handling but we'll go towards
[49:47] enforcing The Tall Grass noxious weeds
[49:49] any trash garbage type complaints um
[49:52] take those away from the code
[49:54] enforcement building inspector uh of
[49:57] Public Works will continue to handle any
[49:59] complaints involving snow snow removal
[50:02] trees any of those type of code issues
[50:05] that they normally would work with in
[50:07] their normal process anyways and then
[50:10] code enforcement will handle pretty much
[50:13] uh building issues um signage uh
[50:17] structure type complaints that we have
[50:20] but the the important function now is
[50:23] that what we're proposing is more of a
[50:25] team approach so that when we get a
[50:28] problem property that instead of the
[50:32] police department going one day and
[50:33] addressing an issue and then the next
[50:35] day code enforcement goes and addresses
[50:37] another issue and the following day DPW
[50:40] goes and addresses the other issue the
[50:42] police department basically will
[50:44] coordinate a response by all those
[50:45] entities together so we go to that
[50:47] property a problem property and we
[50:49] address all of those issues at one time
[50:52] what we believe that will do
[50:54] will um offer more of an ability to
[50:57] communicate on these issues uh between
[50:59] the departments on enforcement issues um
[51:02] document those issues properly follow up
[51:04] with appropriate enforcement action that
[51:06] should be needed
[51:08] okay the ordinance that you're looking
[51:10] at tonight is really the first step in
[51:13] doing that um some of the other things
[51:15] entities that we would incorporate into
[51:17] that team approach would be things like
[51:20] um the fire department for example so if
[51:22] we have a problem
[51:24] property that is not you know maybe
[51:27] they're mandated to have fire alarms or
[51:31] working smoke detectors or elevator
[51:33] issues and they're not doing that they
[51:35] would be part of that response team as
[51:37] well okay um so this code or the the
[51:42] amendments to the ordinance that you're
[51:43] looking at really is the first step in
[51:47] developing that plan because we need to
[51:49] address a couple things there if you
[51:51] look at the enforcement or at at the
[51:53] ordinance that's in your packet
[51:56] couple things we did right away just
[51:58] remember on The Chronic nuisance
[51:59] property these are incidents that you
[52:02] see a list of incidents there that are
[52:04] three times on separate days in a
[52:05] six-month period can get your property
[52:07] into that nuisance chronic nuisance
[52:09] property issue however the change here
[52:14] there's an exception to that uh
[52:16] typically in the past it was one
[52:19] violation involving 961 violations so
[52:23] for example if we served a search
[52:24] warrant on a property for manufactured
[52:26] delivery of control
[52:27] substances um on a drug search warrant
[52:30] for example that automatically kicked
[52:32] that property into a chronic nuisance
[52:33] property it's a onetime offense okay
[52:36] versus having you do that three times in
[52:38] order to get him there so what we did
[52:40] then is we modified that
[52:42] exception um paragraph a little bit to
[52:46] include um the whole chapter 961 which
[52:49] is the drug chapter um the chapter 944
[52:54] which is crimes of sexual immorality
[52:57] so these are issues like um prostitution
[53:01] um lud and lascivious behavior um issues
[53:04] like that that were kind
[53:06] of individually identified in the old
[53:08] ordinance that's what we're looking to
[53:10] group those together because personally
[53:12] I felt that you know if you've got
[53:14] somebody violating
[53:16] that crime we shouldn't have to wait for
[53:20] three times violations in order to kick
[53:22] that same thing with the uh
[53:25] 9482 possession of child pornography we
[53:28] shouldn't have to wait for three times
[53:29] for that to occur in order to kick that
[53:31] into the chronic nuisance property that
[53:33] happens one time at a property it gets
[53:34] kicked into that chronic nuisance
[53:36] property
[53:37] okay um the other issues that we
[53:40] addressed in the ordinance were adding
[53:42] towards like the bottom uh number 15 and
[53:45] 16 violations of fire code and
[53:48] violations of building code so if we've
[53:49] got a property that's dilapidated that's
[53:52] having issues and the code enforcement
[53:54] officer the building inspector is
[53:55] identifying those issues if they
[53:57] continue to have issues or if the fire
[54:00] department addresses issues there and
[54:02] they continue to have issues and don't
[54:04] fix it they can potentially kick that location into this chronic nuisance
[54:10] property as part of that team approach
[54:13] um again three or more violations within
[54:15] a six-month period um the rest of the
[54:18] ordinance is pretty much the same
[54:22] um we're working internally within the
[54:24] police department to address uh some
[54:27] additional enforcement issues we're
[54:28] modifying our our school resource
[54:31] officer Community liaison position that
[54:34] we're creating for the summertime to
[54:36] address a lot of the code enforcement
[54:37] issues as well so we're working on that
[54:39] internally as well but this is really
[54:41] the first step the approval of this
[54:43] ordinance is the first step towards
[54:45] addressing those chronic code
[54:48] enforcement issues that we've been
[54:49] dealing with for
[54:52] sometime questions on that
[55:00] are you looking for approval of the
[55:01] ordinance tonight B yes I believe that's
[55:04] what we're yes looking for yeah
[55:09] yes thank
[55:13] you
[55:15] um can you remind me when someone has
[55:18] one of these uh violations is this
[55:20] available for the public to see uh how
[55:24] you know how could might someone know how many violations someone has is
[55:29] that public
[55:34] knowledge what they could I suppose do
[55:37] is file an open records request okay so
[55:41] you know I I'm not sure where you're
[55:42] going or what you're asking there but
[55:44] potentially let's say you have a a
[55:47] renter that's looking to rent a property
[55:50] they could potentially come down and
[55:51] file an open records request asking for
[55:54] complaints at that location for a time
[55:57] period okay past six months past year
[55:59] whatever okay is that is that yeah I was
[56:01] just curious that would probably be
[56:04] because if they issued a citation now
[56:06] with the Municipal Court um that doesn't
[56:09] even go on CCAP or anything like that so
[56:11] it would have to be an open records
[56:12] request to get that obviously there'd be
[56:15] a record we'd have a record and it would be subject to whether it's
[56:19] pending yes prosecution you would not
[56:22] see it until it's concluded correct like
[56:26] deiving anybody of due process um the
[56:29] open records request would not allow
[56:31] them to see it until a conclusion has
[56:33] been reach and there's obviously the
[56:35] open records laws would apply to that as
[56:37] far as information that's
[56:39] released can you also remind me so the I do think it's strange that we are
[56:44] spending our police enforcement time
[56:46] which is so valuable on tall grass and
[56:48] noxious weeds um and and I know that
[56:52] there are some folks that I think
[56:54] there's a difference between someone not
[56:55] caring about their property and someone
[56:57] choosing to have a well-groomed yard
[57:00] that has taller grass for ethical
[57:02] reasons for the environment I know that
[57:04] currently right now we don't have
[57:06] anything in place to allow those folks
[57:07] to be
[57:08] designated um I don't I don't know if
[57:10] that plays into here now it's just
[57:12] something that I do want to State
[57:13] because I'm conscious that there have
[57:14] been a number of people uh from the city
[57:17] in the past that have um stated that
[57:20] they're frustrated that they that there
[57:22] are not exceptions and I also feel that
[57:23] there's probably I assume frustration
[57:25] that the Poli that your time is spent on
[57:29] something like this um but do the police
[57:32] already respond to to grass and noxious
[57:34] weed so we're not if we approve this
[57:36] we're not saying you now handle more are
[57:38] we no right you're not approving
[57:40] anything other than the ordinance this
[57:42] evening okay yeah ordinance changes bill
[57:44] was just laying out how the
[57:46] administration looks to go forward got
[57:48] it with enforcing ordinances that we
[57:50] have in the books using all the
[57:52] resources available and he mentioned
[57:54] that the police department might be able
[57:56] to use some Personnel that they have to
[57:59] assist in it um the biggest complaint
[58:01] that we see in the city is Citizens
[58:05] seeing things that they see every day
[58:08] and they're saying why is that still
[58:10] there when it was there last week and
[58:12] then it was there last month and so we
[58:15] recognize that in the nuisance world and
[58:18] so we're trying to to remedy it by
[58:21] putting as many resources together as we
[58:23] can and typically those complaints
[58:25] people people don't know who to call so
[58:27] they call the police department so
[58:29] that's why it's important this team
[58:31] concept is important for that because we
[58:34] document those complaints within our
[58:36] internal computer rated dispatch system
[58:39] uh we're able to then forward those
[58:40] complaints maybe to DPW to address the
[58:43] Tall Grass issues where they issue the
[58:45] notice we're just kind of taking that
[58:47] back um and and dealing with that yeah
[58:54] thanks move approval of the ordinance
[58:57] I'll second
[58:59] that mov by Al and seconded by jool any
[59:03] discussion Jim two questions number nine
[59:05] talks about trespassing would that how
[59:08] would that be against the owner or the
[59:11] premises versus somebody on their
[59:13] property so are you going to then call
[59:15] that a nuisance property because there
[59:16] is a trespassing complaint on their
[59:18] property I you're right Bill sorry yeah
[59:21] so there's an exception Incorporated in
[59:24] here that if the owner of the
[59:26] establishment or the owner of the
[59:27] property is the one making the complaint
[59:29] correct that doesn't count as a nuisance
[59:32] that doesn't count as a violation one of
[59:34] the three so what we don't want to have
[59:36] is you know for a let's say a
[59:39] landlord um reporting that they're
[59:41] having problems with a tenant we want
[59:44] them to call so we can help them solve
[59:45] that problem so we don't penalize that
[59:48] landlord or that owner for making those
[59:51] calls but now if the neighbors's calling
[59:53] saying hey there's loud noise over there
[59:56] every day do something about it now that
[59:59] becomes an issue but if the landlord
[1:00:01] himself or the owner of the property is
[1:00:03] calling us for those issues that's not a
[1:00:05] violation section c right who also is
[1:00:08] that what does that answer your question
[1:00:11] okay the change in ownership as well
[1:00:12] obviously if the property changes
[1:00:13] ownership does that then property get
[1:00:17] reset to zeros across the board uh
[1:00:19] probably yep because we would have to
[1:00:21] provide
[1:00:22] notice as part of that again I think J's
[1:00:26] point if I bought the property how would
[1:00:27] I know that I don't have any strikes in
[1:00:30] a sense cuz I could I could get a noise
[1:00:32] complaint just because I was playing my
[1:00:34] music in the garage too loud right we
[1:00:35] would give them notice and and quite
[1:00:37] frankly the The Chronic nuisance
[1:00:41] properties that we're dealing with
[1:00:42] aren't
[1:00:43] those you knower yeah they're major I
[1:00:46] mean we're having I'll be honest with
[1:00:49] you I sent a letter this week to a
[1:00:50] property owner that we've been to that
[1:00:52] property 13 times since September 1st
[1:00:55] weekly yeah so that's a chronic property
[1:00:58] that's a problem that needs to be
[1:00:59] addressed so yeah that's an
[1:01:06] example further questions or
[1:01:14] discussion one more time any further
[1:01:16] questions or
[1:01:20] discussion hearing none we'll do a roll
[1:01:22] call vote on this
[1:01:24] Lori Mr Mr Shader hi Mrs shot singer hi
[1:01:28] Mr Hansen hi Mr gallops hi Mr Morrison
[1:01:31] hi Mr wch hi Mr split I motion carries
[1:01:35] unanimously good thank
[1:01:38] you all right next item up is the
[1:01:42] Dispatch Center Chief back to you sure
[1:01:45] thank you Mr Mayor um obviously I hope
[1:01:47] that you had an opportunity to
[1:01:49] review um a stack of documents that were
[1:01:52] supplied to you within your packet um
[1:01:56] on this topic if you remember we had
[1:01:58] discussions back in August um on this
[1:02:02] topic and at that time you would ask for
[1:02:04] some additional information and
[1:02:07] that's getting this forward to you
[1:02:09] tonight about some of that additional
[1:02:11] information that you would requested and
[1:02:13] um inquired about um so really after the
[1:02:17] discussion in in August um two available
[1:02:21] options uh for your consideration and
[1:02:24] for more information for you um on
[1:02:26] retaining dispatch Services here within
[1:02:28] the city of ripin as we currently are um
[1:02:31] and secondly moving Communications
[1:02:33] possibly towards the falite county
[1:02:35] Communication
[1:02:36] Center let's talk about the first one
[1:02:38] the first uh issue first and I'm just
[1:02:41] kind of going to not going to go through
[1:02:42] the documents that you were supplied to
[1:02:44] word by word or line by line but I'm
[1:02:46] just going to kind of give you a a
[1:02:48] synopsis of that
[1:02:51] information um option number one
[1:02:53] retaining the dispatch Services we had
[1:02:55] asked about or you had asked about some
[1:02:57] transition needs um costs some of those
[1:03:00] issues obviously with retaining the
[1:03:03] dispatch service here that would be very
[1:03:06] limited in terms of transition needs if
[1:03:09] that occurs uh control of the Dispatch
[1:03:11] Center would remain with the police
[1:03:13] department with the chief of police um
[1:03:15] as we operate currently some of the
[1:03:17] things that would need to occur um that
[1:03:20] are outlined in your packet uh some of
[1:03:21] the
[1:03:22] highlights uh we would continue with a
[1:03:24] $25,000 budgeted uh expenditure for the
[1:03:27] radio room reconfiguration if you
[1:03:29] remember we had some discussions about
[1:03:31] that that was budgeted for in 2020 but
[1:03:34] we've put that on hold based on this
[1:03:37] conversation um and obviously if if uh
[1:03:41] retention is what we desire then then
[1:03:44] that project those funds would need to
[1:03:46] be carried over to 2021 and we would uh
[1:03:48] take care of that project then
[1:03:50] replacement of a radio repeater um
[1:03:54] budgeted about $5,000 needs to be done a
[1:03:56] repeater basically so you understand is
[1:04:00] a is a is a way to boost radio
[1:04:03] transmission so the the fre the
[1:04:05] transmission goes maybe from The
[1:04:07] Dispatch Center to the repeater and then
[1:04:09] it goes out from there so it's a higher
[1:04:12] boost for that communication just so you
[1:04:14] understand what that is replacement of
[1:04:16] the backup fire department computer
[1:04:18] system we have a backup page a paging
[1:04:20] system that um is at the fire department
[1:04:23] um that's operating on a Windows 7 I
[1:04:25] believe believe computer right now so
[1:04:28] that uh system would have to be replaced
[1:04:30] and then reprogrammed um cost about
[1:04:33] $14,000 there replace of the 911 phone
[1:04:37] system Hardware obviously we had some
[1:04:39] major discussions about that um that is
[1:04:41] an um Antiquated system um that needs to
[1:04:45] be replaced um it has to be replaced
[1:04:49] um and you know um possibly we could
[1:04:55] cross our fingers and get through
[1:04:57] another year but that's going to have to
[1:04:59] be something that needs to be addressed
[1:05:01] either with a a budget issue or
[1:05:06] um um borrowing or something some type
[1:05:09] of plan there to replace that system uh
[1:05:11] dispatch computers um we estimate
[1:05:14] because of their remember in the fall of
[1:05:16] 21 we're looking at finac county is
[1:05:18] going to be changing CAD computer rated
[1:05:21] dispatch as well as record management
[1:05:22] system so you're looking at we're going
[1:05:25] to have to upgrade some computers within
[1:05:26] our Dispatch Center so that's part of
[1:05:29] that all of those things would be
[1:05:32] transition needs if we're not
[1:05:34] transitioning if you will okay um and we
[1:05:37] can accomplish um quite a few of those
[1:05:39] things um I'm I understand based on the
[1:05:43] budget passing tonight there's $20,000
[1:05:45] in the EMS budget to replace computers
[1:05:48] that would cover the dispatch computers
[1:05:50] as well as the fire department computer
[1:05:52] um and again the 911 system obviously
[1:05:55] probably on hold until 2022 hopefully it
[1:05:58] gets us through there um that's a
[1:06:00] day-to-day system
[1:06:03] um otherwise we going to need to borrow
[1:06:05] for that or or figure out something
[1:06:07] there I just don't know what the
[1:06:08] solution
[1:06:10] is um one of the things I would suggest
[1:06:13] is if we decide to retain Dispatch
[1:06:16] Center here I think we need to establish
[1:06:19] some type of replacement fund um so that
[1:06:21] we're not in this situation again as far
[1:06:23] as Hardware um
[1:06:26] if we choose not to go to folac County I
[1:06:28] think that that would be imperative we
[1:06:29] need to probably think about setting
[1:06:31] some money aside for commit
[1:06:35] understanding that the commitment would
[1:06:36] be for the long term with that Center um
[1:06:40] costs associated with that um retention
[1:06:43] are outlined on page three of your um
[1:06:45] packet that I gave you um Council has
[1:06:49] been very supportive in the past of
[1:06:50] dispatch and uh certainly we appreciate
[1:06:53] that um this provides you this
[1:06:55] information provides you with that
[1:06:57] information that you need to
[1:06:59] see what that looks like going forward
[1:07:02] and what the future looks like if
[1:07:03] retention is what's desired here
[1:07:06] okay as far as the second op option um
[1:07:10] transfer to finac County dispatch um
[1:07:12] based on the August meeting there was
[1:07:13] some questions and things that you would
[1:07:15] like clarified so so hopefully we were
[1:07:18] able to do that with the information I
[1:07:19] was provided to
[1:07:21] you if that occurs if if that's the
[1:07:23] desire uh what we would recommend
[1:07:25] commend or what I would recommend is a
[1:07:27] phase in process
[1:07:30] um and what does that look like well
[1:07:32] that basically looks like
[1:07:35] um in doing a phase in process we would
[1:07:38] you know the three major components here
[1:07:40] police fire and EMS fire department is
[1:07:43] the has the least needs if transfer does
[1:07:47] occur so um they basically have radio
[1:07:50] issues reprogramming those type of
[1:07:52] issues um they would probably be the
[1:07:54] first in that phase in to go so we would
[1:07:57] suggest uh March of 2021 if that is what we decide we want to do um EMS we
[1:08:06] would phase in as a second portion of
[1:08:08] that phase in and look for a Target date
[1:08:10] of July of 20 of next year 2021
[1:08:14] obviously T Chief Tel can explain to you
[1:08:17] the Necessities if you decide to go that
[1:08:19] route um including his future needs and
[1:08:22] any operational issues um that he sees
[1:08:25] in any cost projections or concerns that
[1:08:27] he has with
[1:08:28] that uh the police department we would
[1:08:31] then shoot for a
[1:08:34] um switch over by September 1st of
[1:08:37] 2021 obviously there's a multitude of
[1:08:40] issues that need to be addressed um
[1:08:41] before that time which are outlined for
[1:08:43] you in the packet that I included
[1:08:46] um what I would suggest is if if that if
[1:08:50] we do do that is I would suggest that
[1:08:53] $225,000 that we talked about for for
[1:08:55] the radio room
[1:08:58] reconfiguration that's going to need to
[1:09:00] be carried over um I would suggest that
[1:09:02] we take that 25,000 with the additional
[1:09:04] 20,000 that EMS has put in their budget
[1:09:08] put that in a separate account and allow
[1:09:10] police and fire to utilize that or
[1:09:12] police and EMS to utilize that for those
[1:09:15] transition needs so whatever expenses
[1:09:17] come up we can utilize from those monies
[1:09:20] that are there
[1:09:23] um obviously the the the other issues
[1:09:26] then cost to the city for that transfer
[1:09:29] um to finac County
[1:09:31] dispatch uh finac County uh you see a
[1:09:34] letter in there from the felet county
[1:09:37] executive um the cost on the levy by
[1:09:39] felet County would be two $200,000 per
[1:09:42] year um and that would be in perpetuity
[1:09:45] so that would be forever um or at least
[1:09:50] until um that County exec is there but
[1:09:54] that's the agreement that is is in place
[1:09:56] or that he's offered so
[1:09:59] um one of the other issues that uh you
[1:10:02] asked about was um whether the
[1:10:04] communications officers would be care
[1:10:06] taken care of if a transfer is done uh
[1:10:09] one of the proposal things that I placed
[1:10:10] into that included under the police
[1:10:12] department transfer would be that health
[1:10:14] insurance would continue through 2021 or
[1:10:18] until Jan or through the year of 2021
[1:10:21] for those Communications officers or
[1:10:24] until they get
[1:10:26] employment um which offers them health
[1:10:28] insurance um whichever happens first so
[1:10:31] either the end of the year or um they
[1:10:34] get other health
[1:10:35] insurance they're obviously eligible for
[1:10:38] payout on some of the liabilities that
[1:10:40] you see for the employees that I've
[1:10:42] included in the packet so you see what
[1:10:43] those numbers are um they're also
[1:10:46] eligible for hire at folac County they
[1:10:48] would need to apply for those positions
[1:10:51] and go through that process and they vac
[1:10:54] County would make that decision on on
[1:10:56] hiring um those
[1:10:59] employees um so that's kind of a
[1:11:02] synopsis of the information that was
[1:11:03] included on the second portion of that
[1:11:05] or the second option for you to
[1:11:07] consider really in conclusion before I
[1:11:09] turn it over to chief chief teach out
[1:11:11] and chief Saul for any additional
[1:11:13] comments I just want to you know repeat
[1:11:15] to you the goals kind of and why we
[1:11:18] started talking about this in the
[1:11:19] beginning really was to educate your me
[1:11:22] or educate the members of the Council on
[1:11:24] the operations of the Communication
[1:11:26] Center what do they do what what happens
[1:11:28] and what's their function here explain
[1:11:30] the vital role that communication plays
[1:11:32] for our emergency responders within the
[1:11:34] city and understand that obviously with
[1:11:37] several new councilmen it was important
[1:11:39] and Council women it was important for
[1:11:40] you to understand the critical role that
[1:11:42] they play provide you with an overview
[1:11:45] of the critical infrastructure needs um
[1:11:48] shall we continue with with uh
[1:11:50] dispatching here in the city and the
[1:11:52] cost of the continuation if that's the
[1:11:55] um if that's the route that you choose
[1:11:57] to go obviously um there's a lot of
[1:12:01] things to consider here and then finally
[1:12:03] to give you a cost option for an
[1:12:05] alternative operations if we decided
[1:12:07] that vanac County communications was
[1:12:09] something we were interested
[1:12:11] in obviously there's a lot of talk in
[1:12:13] this document about money um it's just
[1:12:16] important to remember that it's not just
[1:12:18] about the money um in this in this
[1:12:20] picture um obviously that is important
[1:12:24] for the city and a big Financial picture
[1:12:27] of the city going forward um but the
[1:12:30] safety and the needs of the community
[1:12:31] should be the Forefront to this
[1:12:33] consideration and I believe whichever
[1:12:36] decision we make and whichever decision
[1:12:39] we resolve to that the safety of the
[1:12:42] community will not be compromised um if
[1:12:45] I believe that um certainly I would not
[1:12:48] have given you the information that
[1:12:49] you're that you've been given um finet
[1:12:53] County does provide excellent service
[1:12:54] for police fire and Ems for the
[1:12:56] remainder of the county but I want to
[1:12:59] reiterate of the professional and great
[1:13:02] service that our Communications officers
[1:13:04] do for our community as well so that's
[1:13:06] important to
[1:13:08] understand uh if you consider the
[1:13:10] information uh what information it needs
[1:13:12] that Chief T out is about to supply you
[1:13:14] with he makes a change financially
[1:13:16] difficult to argue
[1:13:18] for uh he needs to be able to articulate
[1:13:21] those needs for his service and that's
[1:13:23] his Arena and I'm not going to um
[1:13:26] address that um certainly he he will
[1:13:29] cover those issues again council's been
[1:13:32] very supportive in the in continuation
[1:13:34] of communication Services here um and
[1:13:37] for a v variety of reasons um that we
[1:13:40] outlined in August as to why uh we
[1:13:43] retained our Dispatch Center here when
[1:13:44] others didn't okay uh you must
[1:13:48] understand you know finally that there's
[1:13:49] a cost for that continued service and an
[1:13:52] increased cost for that service I hope that you've got the knowledge as to
[1:13:56] why those costs will be there in the
[1:13:58] future I hope you're now much more
[1:14:01] educated about the Communication Center
[1:14:03] than when we began this discussion
[1:14:05] several months ago um and I just you
[1:14:09] know however any desire that you have or
[1:14:14] need that you think is there to separate
[1:14:16] and go to finac County should be given
[1:14:18] deep consideration now because of the
[1:14:20] cons the changes that are occurring
[1:14:22] within the county and the county based
[1:14:23] Communications model
[1:14:26] I've tried to be as open and honest with
[1:14:28] you as possible and as neutral as
[1:14:30] possible in this discussion um um so
[1:14:35] that's what I have for you and I can let
[1:14:37] uh Chief tach out come and address you
[1:14:40] next and then certainly we can address
[1:14:41] questions after that or now or whatever
[1:14:44] you want to
[1:14:45] do I think John has a question for you I
[1:14:48] do um I don't know which way this is
[1:14:50] going to go but if the Dispatch Center
[1:14:53] leaves rip and goes to fin do you have
[1:14:55] figures on what a communication officer
[1:14:59] makes in Fondulac County compared to
[1:15:02] rien and benefits is it comparable or
[1:15:06] sure as far as wages um a fondet County
[1:15:09] communications officer starting wage is
[1:15:11] about
[1:15:12] $22.18 an hour in rippen it's
[1:15:16] 1741 their top wage in felet County
[1:15:20] after 6 years they max out their top
[1:15:22] wage is
[1:15:23] 2647 an hour and our top wage tops out
[1:15:28] in 15 years and our top wage is
[1:15:32] 2233 so there's a $4 difference in wages
[1:15:37] on the top wage and they they top out um
[1:15:42] almost 10 years sooner than we do um as
[1:15:44] far as
[1:15:46] wages um you know and that's you know
[1:15:49] the wage issue
[1:15:51] is it is what it is for the city
[1:15:53] employees
[1:15:56] the insurance uh rates I've got them
[1:16:00] it's kind of hard to understand what they are because they have several
[1:16:06] different um plans uh you know I'll just
[1:16:10] pick one um they have a blue plan a
[1:16:13] family blue
[1:16:15] plan um the employees
[1:16:18] share it says it's
[1:16:20] 36850 I don't know if that's for the
[1:16:23] year or what at
[1:16:26] 18% uh the family share bronze is
[1:16:31] 30709 at 15% and the family silver gold
[1:16:35] Platinum is 12% at
[1:16:38] 24567 I think a
[1:16:40] year um they're pretty comparable I
[1:16:44] think uh single F single deductibles a
[1:16:47] th000 families
[1:16:49] 2,000 um so you know I there's other
[1:16:52] things here but that kind of gives you
[1:16:53] an idea where they're at
[1:16:55] is that kind of yeah yep that's good
[1:16:58] thank
[1:16:59] you I'll let Chief tachel step up and
[1:17:03] address you and then certainly I can
[1:17:05] come back and answer any other questions
[1:17:09] okayer thank
[1:17:17] you I'm John T out EMS chief for the
[1:17:20] city of rien and thanks Bill you've uh
[1:17:23] done a wonderful job presenting
[1:17:25] um a lot of the information that's
[1:17:28] fortunate for me because I can keep my
[1:17:29] comments a lot shorter than you did um
[1:17:33] you've all probably received my memo
[1:17:35] about the the timeline and the
[1:17:37] transition to fondak County given us
[1:17:39] some serious
[1:17:41] consideration and uh have met with Bobby
[1:17:45] uh personally about some of the things
[1:17:48] that our dep department does that uh is
[1:17:51] different than what the fight County
[1:17:54] communications centers used to and the
[1:17:57] major my major hangup and the major
[1:18:01] reason why I oppose moving out of our
[1:18:02] dispatch centers we are losing the
[1:18:05] customization that we have for paging
[1:18:07] our individual
[1:18:09] people uh they Bobby offered me uh two
[1:18:13] separate page tones one's for a first
[1:18:16] ambulance out one for a second ambulance
[1:18:19] out and um you've got my uh memo on the
[1:18:24] back of the memo was a random weekly
[1:18:27] schedule that uh was of I think last
[1:18:31] week and um it's even hard for our
[1:18:36] dispatchers to page to figure out who's
[1:18:39] up next to be out on a
[1:18:41] call and uh when I explained to Bobby
[1:18:44] kind of how that works
[1:18:46] she nixed it and I don't blame her um
[1:18:50] she's dispatching for with us I believe
[1:18:53] it'll be 42 different agents for fin
[1:18:55] County we dispatch for
[1:18:58] three and when you're dispatched for 42
[1:19:01] different agencies in the county you
[1:19:03] have to do
[1:19:04] things with more regularity than what we
[1:19:06] do that's what makes our Dispatch Center
[1:19:09] so special to us is we have uh
[1:19:12] Communications officers that can look at
[1:19:15] the schedule and know who's up and who's
[1:19:18] available for call they can look at that
[1:19:20] schedule and know that if a hospital
[1:19:23] calls for transfer that we're available
[1:19:26] to do that transfer they can look at
[1:19:28] that schedule and know that if a
[1:19:30] outlying area calls for Mutual Aid or a
[1:19:34] transfer that we would be available to
[1:19:36] do that transfer and simply say no if we
[1:19:39] can't so that's something very special
[1:19:42] that our Communications officers can
[1:19:45] do um I think that's very important I've
[1:19:49] been working with that
[1:19:51] schedule call me a dinosaur but 36 years
[1:19:56] and it's worked us worked out very well
[1:19:58] served us very well and um after
[1:20:02] discussing most of this uh information
[1:20:05] with my staff um very few well let's
[1:20:10] face it none have told me that they
[1:20:12] would support moving away from the way
[1:20:14] our schedule is now that's just the
[1:20:18] schedule um one of the things that I've
[1:20:20] also thrown in here for consideration is
[1:20:22] we do do a number of uh inter facility
[1:20:26] transfers from out of area and there
[1:20:29] would be some loss of Revenue if we
[1:20:31] couldn't do those and um I did talk to
[1:20:35] Bobby about how would uh their Dispatch
[1:20:39] Center handle a request from Aurora
[1:20:42] hospital in Oshkosh calling us saying
[1:20:45] hey we have a transfer can you do
[1:20:47] it and her comment was well other
[1:20:50] services in the county do that but
[1:20:52] they're full-time services so they just
[1:20:54] call up the whoever's on call for that
[1:20:56] service and they make a decision well
[1:20:58] that's great but we're not full-time
[1:21:00] service I have 28 staff members 26 of
[1:21:04] those 28 staff members are full-time
[1:21:06] employees or Ripp and college students
[1:21:09] they work a full-time job in addition to
[1:21:11] volunteering and giving me hours every
[1:21:13] week to be on the
[1:21:15] schedule they are not interested in a 12
[1:21:18] or 14 or 16 hour shift to sit down here
[1:21:22] and wait for a phone call they are not
[1:21:25] interested in trying to figure out who's
[1:21:27] up who we should call who who Who's in
[1:21:30] that next ambulance
[1:21:32] out I and I don't blame him I'm not
[1:21:34] interested in it either I work 40 hours
[1:21:36] a week well a little bit more than 40
[1:21:40] so that's a problem for me uh we could
[1:21:43] go to a full-time service I put some
[1:21:45] numbers in there but what that would
[1:21:47] look like we are the only volunteer
[1:21:49] Ambulance Service in Fina County
[1:21:52] volunteer paramedic Ambulance Service in
[1:21:55] County if we went the full-time service
[1:21:58] my cost would be just about equal to
[1:22:00] what we're paying our communication
[1:22:02] centers uh dispatchers right now so I
[1:22:06] don't see a whole lot of a whole lot of
[1:22:09] savings in that particular option not to
[1:22:12] mention I doubt that I could find the
[1:22:14] staff members that would want to do
[1:22:18] that the uh purchase of uh pagers
[1:22:24] transferring telephone lines
[1:22:26] reprogramming radios those are all items
[1:22:28] that I could easily absorb in my
[1:22:31] budget um when Bill spoke about me
[1:22:34] budgeting
[1:22:35] $20,000 into my budget for computer
[1:22:39] equipment
[1:22:40] replacement that I I consider that an
[1:22:43] ongoing process I think my budget can
[1:22:45] support that and if it's not used in a
[1:22:48] year certainly we can carry those
[1:22:50] numbers over just like I carry numbers
[1:22:52] uh um $660,000 every year over for a new
[1:22:55] ambulance and after four years we have
[1:22:58] enough to pay for a new
[1:23:00] ambulance um so those uh items or that
[1:23:05] $20,000 I think wouldn't wouldn't be a
[1:23:08] problem at all for for us to uh put into
[1:23:11] our budget even uh if something were to
[1:23:14] happen upstairs a repeater goes out
[1:23:16] again a $5,000 expenditure depending
[1:23:19] upon where we are in the year depending
[1:23:21] upon my call volume depending upon my
[1:23:23] revenues
[1:23:25] uh I think I think we could absorb that
[1:23:27] in the EMS budget and we wouldn't have
[1:23:29] to look to another department to uh try
[1:23:32] to fund
[1:23:33] that
[1:23:35] so Bill talked about
[1:23:38] um he would not he won't compromise
[1:23:42] safety for the
[1:23:43] community I think
[1:23:47] that going to finite County will
[1:23:49] compromise the safety of the efficiency
[1:23:53] of the paging system that we have have
[1:23:54] and the efficiency of the scheduling
[1:23:56] system that we use and um when finac
[1:24:00] County uh Pages an ambulance they won't
[1:24:03] know who's on call if nobody shows up in
[1:24:06] six minutes they're just going to page
[1:24:09] Mutual
[1:24:10] Aid and um so now you're going to have
[1:24:14] an ambulance coming from won or north
[1:24:15] ponac or Ash Goos and that's going
[1:24:19] to delay your response time too so long
[1:24:24] and short um I adamantly oppose losing
[1:24:29] our Dispatch Center I really do I I do
[1:24:32] not think that it's going to be
[1:24:33] beneficial for my department and I'm
[1:24:35] willing to take any
[1:24:42] questions
[1:24:44] um thank you so much for presenting this
[1:24:48] um and I
[1:24:50] have great respect for you um and
[1:24:54] because of my respect for you and
[1:24:56] because of the letter that you submitted
[1:24:59] which and in your strong statement right
[1:25:00] now saying that if we move to uh
[1:25:04] changing our communication Center um
[1:25:07] that that's going to affect you
[1:25:08] negatively and so when I hear that from
[1:25:11] you it is my duty and responsibility to
[1:25:13] take that seriously um also because
[1:25:16] we're talking about the lives of our
[1:25:17] friends and family here so I I met with
[1:25:21] um and I don't know if I want to ask you
[1:25:22] know it's perhaps it's some points for
[1:25:25] everyone here but I can ask you um some
[1:25:27] questions so I met I called Bobby and I
[1:25:30] met with her last night she sat down
[1:25:32] with me she took two hours and um I
[1:25:36] specifically asked her about some of the
[1:25:38] things you had submitted in your in your
[1:25:41] memo because of course as I said they
[1:25:43] were they were concerning so um one of
[1:25:46] the things you know just to go
[1:25:50] um down down the line here so one of the
[1:25:53] things that you just said I think what I
[1:25:55] first want to address which is
[1:25:57] concerning to me is is if you think the
[1:25:59] response time will go up you just you
[1:26:02] said that if if um for example you you
[1:26:06] mentioned this six minutes if there's
[1:26:08] not someone that responds right can you state that again sure the what
[1:26:13] the county does is and they do this
[1:26:16] universally for all the ambulance
[1:26:18] services and um primarily we're dealing
[1:26:21] with Ambulance Service of Mount Calvary
[1:26:24] Campell
[1:26:25] sport um which are part-time ambulance
[1:26:28] services in the county North vac is a
[1:26:31] full-time service they have some with
[1:26:32] staff on 24/7 they have a crew on 247
[1:26:35] city folac has three stations with staff
[1:26:37] on 24/7 you also have M Calvary Campbell
[1:26:41] Sport and rippen those are the ambulance
[1:26:43] services in the county Mount Calvary and
[1:26:45] Campbell sport assign their staff
[1:26:48] 12-hour
[1:26:49] shifts like it or not you're on call
[1:26:52] from 6:00 a.m. to 6: p.m.
[1:26:55] with my people I'm able to put the
[1:26:58] schedule together based on the
[1:26:59] availabilities they give me because
[1:27:01] everybody works a full-time job so when
[1:27:04] an ambulance goes out Mount Calvary is
[1:27:06] paged they don't care if there's
[1:27:07] somebody to staff the ambulance and in
[1:27:09] this day and age sometimes there isn't
[1:27:11] people to staff an ambulance that's why
[1:27:13] you've got a long list of mutual Aid
[1:27:16] calls that we are doing because other
[1:27:18] people aren't able to go on those
[1:27:20] calls so when there isn't somebody
[1:27:22] available to staff that ambulance they
[1:27:25] will wait 6 minutes if they don't get a
[1:27:26] reply in a radio saying they're going in
[1:27:28] service and they will page a mutual Aid
[1:27:33] they'll pay out for Mutual Aid to the
[1:27:34] closest ambulance
[1:27:37] service so you wasted 6 minutes for that
[1:27:40] and now you're getting a page from
[1:27:42] another Ambulance Service and now they
[1:27:43] have to drive the distance where they're
[1:27:46] coming from which could be probably
[1:27:49] another 20
[1:27:50] minutes so so that would delay that
[1:27:52] response so the way I understand it so if we I'm not sure what
[1:27:57] I understood was the concern is you said
[1:27:59] that we may get less calls if we don't
[1:28:01] have someone available um so what she
[1:28:04] said is that in five minutes if there is
[1:28:05] a call for an ambulance and what she
[1:28:08] said was five minutes okay if there is
[1:28:10] not a response that they hear back from
[1:28:11] rippen that what they would do is that
[1:28:14] they would then make a call to the next
[1:28:16] right the next closest one and if if
[1:28:19] they get a call back stating that they
[1:28:22] that riin now is on its way and they had
[1:28:24] already called someone else she assured
[1:28:26] me that then she would call that other
[1:28:28] place off and rippen would still get
[1:28:31] that call because now there's that
[1:28:32] Assurance she said I can't in good faith
[1:28:34] just hope and pray that you know they're
[1:28:37] going to answer at some point and so
[1:28:38] that's why their system what she said is
[1:28:39] in place after 5 minutes but she would
[1:28:42] always respect if then riing got a hold
[1:28:45] and I think there was a concern about
[1:28:47] needing a certain radio to do that and
[1:28:49] she said if that's a concern you can
[1:28:50] just call you can just call using a cell
[1:28:52] phone anyone could I'm here you know
[1:28:54] using a using a cell phone I'm not sure
[1:28:56] that there there was a concern about
[1:28:57] needing special equipment for that um
[1:29:00] but she said cell phones would work just
[1:29:02] here I was told other agencies carry
[1:29:04] portable radios and she assured me that
[1:29:06] you could just use a cell phone sure if you need it so that wasn't
[1:29:09] necessarily the portable radio was not
[1:29:11] an issue um and she also said because I
[1:29:14] asked you know you mentioned tonight
[1:29:16] again that she was mentioned that
[1:29:17] there's two different tones that that
[1:29:20] she could use and she made it clear that
[1:29:22] she never said that she limit it to two
[1:29:24] different tones she said that she would
[1:29:26] like to work with you to come up with
[1:29:28] what this system works for you so for
[1:29:30] example with the two ambulances there
[1:29:32] could be one tone for one ambulance one
[1:29:33] tone for another and then there could be
[1:29:35] an all
[1:29:36] call um that must be page off so that so
[1:29:39] that we don't you know she just wanted
[1:29:41] to assure me and assure to let that know
[1:29:44] that it's not that there's she's
[1:29:45] limiting that that was just what a
[1:29:46] suggestion was not getting into the
[1:29:49] weeds not knowing if Rippon was going to
[1:29:50] say that we're moving forward with that
[1:29:52] um
[1:29:54] and and so the concern then explain to
[1:29:57] me again what you're saying about
[1:29:59] needing someone full-time on to cover is
[1:30:03] this someone that we need full-time to
[1:30:05] answer a phone to see if we can do a a
[1:30:08] transfer no a a full-time person would benefit our
[1:30:13] agency period um I would love to have a
[1:30:16] full-time person the place in our medar
[1:30:20] and if that fulltime person was here
[1:30:22] they could manage the trans they could manage all the things that
[1:30:26] our Communications officers do for us
[1:30:27] now if they're not on a call in addition
[1:30:30] to that the plus to that is that if
[1:30:33] there was a call they would jump in the
[1:30:35] med car they would respond immediately
[1:30:36] to the call they'd be an extra set of
[1:30:38] hands at the call and they'd be able to
[1:30:40] start patient care much like our police
[1:30:43] officers now who um respond as First
[1:30:46] Responders in this day and age of Co we
[1:30:48] haven't had a lot of that but hopefully
[1:30:51] uh we'll get back to that too so having
[1:30:54] that first responder having that person
[1:30:56] Jolene is I'd love to have that person
[1:30:59] it it would cost us some money my
[1:31:02] problem is is I don't think with the way
[1:31:04] our staff is employed with 20 26 of the
[1:31:08] 28 people who work full-time that I'm
[1:31:10] going to be able to find a person a
[1:31:12] person 24/7 to come down here and sit
[1:31:15] and be that response person in addition
[1:31:17] to be that person who may be carrying
[1:31:19] that radio or who may be making that
[1:31:21] phone call to dispatch to let them know
[1:31:23] that I'm I'm coming down I showed her
[1:31:26] the same thing I just showed you how we
[1:31:28] schedule and how our dispatcher is Page
[1:31:31] she said there's no way she could do
[1:31:33] that I'm saying we have we found a way
[1:31:36] to do it and I don't blame her I'm not
[1:31:38] trying to be critical of Bobby not at
[1:31:41] all because when you dispatch for 42
[1:31:44] different agencies you have to you have
[1:31:47] to play by some pretty generic rules so
[1:31:50] we've been very
[1:31:52] fortunate to be able to
[1:31:54] for me to be able to schedule my people
[1:31:56] the way I do it so is it that you want
[1:31:58] to schedule them so that they're not all
[1:31:59] Wen woken up at certain times yeah that
[1:32:02] too is that what what you're saying well
[1:32:03] that that would if there's if there's a page for first crew or second crew a
[1:32:09] separate tone that's going to you know
[1:32:12] people are going to sit at home with
[1:32:13] their pager what people are going to do
[1:32:15] is they're going to go I'm on second
[1:32:16] call tonight so I'm going to change it
[1:32:18] to a different channel so I'm not
[1:32:20] bothered by first call and then at 6:00
[1:32:22] in the morning when I go on first call
[1:32:25] are they going to wake up at 6:00 in the
[1:32:26] morning turn it back and then they're
[1:32:28] going to miss a
[1:32:29] page so that's the problem I have with
[1:32:32] that or did I leave it on on open or on
[1:32:35] the first page Channel tonight and then
[1:32:39] now I'm woke up at 3: in the morning for
[1:32:41] a transfer because it's interesting
[1:32:43] because I guess I'm I'm told that mount
[1:32:45] Cav kemell Sport and North fondel like
[1:32:46] all all get the tones all calls and so
[1:32:50] you know obviously I don't want people
[1:32:51] to be woken up in the middle of the
[1:32:52] night if it's needless but it is
[1:32:54] interesting that that is what other
[1:32:55] facilities other CI use North vac
[1:32:58] full-time service so when there's a call
[1:33:02] they get
[1:33:03] up and Mount Calvary and Campbell sport
[1:33:06] schedule their people on 12-hour shifts
[1:33:09] and sometimes they fill ambulance Crews
[1:33:12] and sometimes they don't they might have
[1:33:14] somebody who can work 6:00 to noon but
[1:33:16] they can't work 6:00 to 600 so from 6:00
[1:33:19] to noon they may be able to staff that
[1:33:21] ambulance or their second ambulance but
[1:33:24] from noon to 6 who knows if they're
[1:33:26] going to be able to staff that ambulance
[1:33:28] the way I put my schedule together is
[1:33:31] the communications officers know if I
[1:33:33] have somebody available to be on on call
[1:33:35] at exactly you know whatever time of of
[1:33:37] day it is and and whatever uh time frame
[1:33:40] of the week it
[1:33:41] is so we have incredible dispatchers and
[1:33:45] that's and I think it's incredible as
[1:33:46] your to your point that they they know
[1:33:47] this schedule which is complicated to
[1:33:49] your point um and did I hear you I I
[1:33:52] think I just heard you say that even
[1:33:54] hard for our dispatchers to know who is
[1:33:56] up next I don't know if you meant to say
[1:33:57] that yes I did um yikes yes if I I'm
[1:34:02] hearing that it's even hard for our
[1:34:04] dispatchers to know who is up
[1:34:07] next um and we are advocating to keep a
[1:34:11] system that it's hard for our the reason
[1:34:13] why Bobby said that she could not
[1:34:17] imagine keeping our the system that was
[1:34:18] presented is because she knows that if
[1:34:20] anything can be automated and they have
[1:34:22] and because this is such stressful when
[1:34:24] an emergency comes in that she doesn't
[1:34:27] want someone looking at a piece of paper
[1:34:28] wondering who to call here and who to
[1:34:30] call here that it needs to be immediate
[1:34:32] if this ambulance needs to be called
[1:34:33] here that's the first tone this
[1:34:35] ambulance here or is it an all call and
[1:34:37] that it time is of the essence and so
[1:34:40] she I she was very clear that she was
[1:34:43] saying that she wouldn't consider this
[1:34:45] because she doesn't want to go through
[1:34:46] the hassle right she wanted to say I'll
[1:34:48] take the time that is needed until
[1:34:50] rippen is happy but she made it sound
[1:34:52] like in her per
[1:34:54] Professional Knowledge it did not seem
[1:34:58] like this is the best system when we're
[1:35:00] talking about timeliness and making sure
[1:35:01] there's not mistakes and making sure
[1:35:04] that the proper people are notified in
[1:35:05] the quickest amount of time
[1:35:08] um and so what she what she also
[1:35:11] suggested was if the concern is that
[1:35:12] people are being woken up for a call for
[1:35:14] a transfer for example example and
[1:35:16] they're not taking it perhaps we could
[1:35:18] consider giving them a you know a a
[1:35:20] payment of $5 per call or something like
[1:35:23] that that they're woken up for and not
[1:35:24] taken I mean that would still save us
[1:35:26] money and we're honoring those people I
[1:35:29] mean we could be creative like that um I
[1:35:32] guess the other thing I'm thinking of is
[1:35:34] when you talk about the way you handle
[1:35:36] things the number of Staff you have and
[1:35:38] the way you handle it it seems sort of
[1:35:39] similar to the fire district and I don't
[1:35:41] know perhaps maybe if if Chief stall
[1:35:44] could come up next and explain sort of
[1:35:45] how that system works because it does
[1:35:47] seem like and I really respect what
[1:35:49] you've done you Teo but it does seem
[1:35:51] like
[1:35:53] there could be some way to look at how
[1:35:55] they do things to look at um how that's
[1:35:58] being handled um or why yours couldn't
[1:36:01] be that way perhaps maybe maybe that's
[1:36:04] another Avenue to look at and chief sa
[1:36:07] will get an opportunity to come up and
[1:36:08] explain his Battalion uh schedules and
[1:36:12] stuff like that well I guess what I want
[1:36:13] to say is this is very when we have you
[1:36:16] saying that this would be a detriment
[1:36:18] this is so serious um and yet when I
[1:36:21] talked to Bobby hin she made it sound as
[1:36:23] though she had an answer for every
[1:36:24] concern that we had um and it and she
[1:36:28] from my understanding it seems like our
[1:36:31] services would be
[1:36:32] enhanced um in the transfers What She
[1:36:36] Said is What a lot of other places do
[1:36:37] the hospitals actually called directly
[1:36:39] the ambulances nobody's going to be here
[1:36:41] to answer that phone exactly wouldn't be
[1:36:43] here no they call she said that the
[1:36:45] hospitals actually have the cell phones
[1:36:47] of the of of the people if we wanted to
[1:36:50] like they call the person directly okay
[1:36:52] so she also said that if you wanted to
[1:36:54] set something up that that their
[1:36:56] dispatch could um if there's a transfer
[1:36:59] then you know designate it to one she's
[1:37:01] not going to look at a schedule of who's
[1:37:02] available exactly when but that there is
[1:37:05] someone that they could obviously you
[1:37:06] know look at a system and and and again
[1:37:09] she said that the hospitals right now in
[1:37:11] other cities they call the emergency
[1:37:13] Personnel directly that's okay but how
[1:37:18] would they know my problem is is they
[1:37:21] wouldn't know who to call I I'm I'm on
[1:37:23] call at midnight
[1:37:25] tonight tomorrow night there's a
[1:37:27] different person on call so do do I have
[1:37:30] to rotate a cell phone to to people it
[1:37:34] just it just apparently hospital do that
[1:37:36] and these are for nonemergency transfers
[1:37:38] let's be clear here because we're
[1:37:39] talking about making sure you get
[1:37:40] revenue from non-emergency transfers
[1:37:41] right so um well we can say no to those
[1:37:44] you know I can I can say no to every
[1:37:46] non-emergency transfer you know that wouldn't be a problem that would be
[1:37:51] a a reduction in revenue and and if
[1:37:53] that's the way uh Council chooses to go
[1:37:56] that would be you know that's entirely
[1:37:57] up to you um the problem why are you
[1:38:00] seeing a reduction so I'm just imagining
[1:38:02] someone calls in for a
[1:38:04] transfer you and then they're getting
[1:38:06] that maybe the page goes out for the
[1:38:09] transfer why why couldn't you take that
[1:38:10] why would it be a
[1:38:13] reduction because I'm not obligated to
[1:38:15] take a a transfer an inter facility
[1:38:18] transfer right and I can't take one
[1:38:21] without knowing that I've got a 911
[1:38:22] ambulance available
[1:38:24] able so the only time the way it works
[1:38:28] now is if an a of service an AO
[1:38:32] agency calls us a hospital Aurora I'll
[1:38:35] just use Aurora and oskos for example
[1:38:37] they'll call our Dispatch Center our
[1:38:39] Communications officer will look at the
[1:38:41] schedule they'll go hey we got three
[1:38:43] ambulance Crews on none of them are out
[1:38:46] cart blanch they've got the the green
[1:38:48] light to to send the ambulance on that
[1:38:51] if there's an ambulance out on a 911
[1:38:53] call and there's two other Crews
[1:38:55] available again green light they can
[1:38:58] send that they can they can send that
[1:39:00] page out so tell me why this is
[1:39:01] different what she made it sound as
[1:39:02] though so let's say there's a transfer
[1:39:03] that calls in the dispatch looks to say
[1:39:05] there's an ambulance available in ripin
[1:39:07] then then they get the call why is that
[1:39:09] different our dispatchers know that I've
[1:39:12] got three ambulances staffed their
[1:39:14] dispatchers don't know if I have one
[1:39:17] ambulance staff they just send out a
[1:39:18] page well they have to know that there's
[1:39:20] at least one ambulance staff don't we as
[1:39:21] the city have to have at least one
[1:39:22] ambulance CA at all times we
[1:39:25] try we try yes believe it or not there
[1:39:29] are times there was a time of Saturday morning I didn't have a crew
[1:39:34] chief for a first ambulance I didn't
[1:39:36] have a paramedic scheduled for a first
[1:39:37] ambulance CU I had nobody to volunteer
[1:39:40] for that that ambulance I don't have a
[1:39:43] full-time staff I can't tell people when
[1:39:45] they have to work but again I don't know
[1:39:46] how is that an issue if this is a
[1:39:48] non-emergency transfer I guess I'm just
[1:39:50] trying to understand I don't know if
[1:39:51] others understand this why is this a
[1:39:53] sticky point and why would we have to
[1:39:54] take one less transfers and two it
[1:39:56] sounds as though the way Bobby explained
[1:39:58] it is that other cities is we're not the
[1:40:00] only city that is worried about
[1:40:01] transfers other cities have figured this
[1:40:03] out um and are happy with it and I and
[1:40:06] I'm just trying to understand you know
[1:40:09] again they they say that there's a
[1:40:10] non-emergency transfer they look to see
[1:40:12] oh there should be an elev an an an
[1:40:13] ambulance staff they call them out and they take it why would we lose why
[1:40:19] are you suggesting that if we go forward
[1:40:21] with this that you would have less
[1:40:22] transfers
[1:40:24] I I don't I'm talking about the
[1:40:26] transfers that we are not obligated to
[1:40:28] take from out of area sure so that would
[1:40:32] be a loss of revenue for those even if U riff and Medical Center called
[1:40:37] and said we have a
[1:40:39] transfer I do my best to take those
[1:40:41] transfers for them sure they're our
[1:40:43] hospital but why tell me why it's
[1:40:45] different but if I don't have a St
[1:40:47] ambulance if I don't have a a second
[1:40:49] staffed ambulance I cannot take those
[1:40:51] transfers based on the transportation or
[1:40:54] the administrative code that I've got
[1:40:56] cited in my DHS
[1:41:00] 11038 I have to always have a staffed
[1:41:02] 911 ambulance available in the city
[1:41:05] before I can do any type of transfers
[1:41:07] sometimes I have one sometimes I have
[1:41:09] two sometimes I have three our
[1:41:11] dispatchers know how many I have at any
[1:41:14] given moment they know that so they can
[1:41:17] take those calls if they want F County
[1:41:20] does not know that they are not
[1:41:22] interested in knowing what my schedule
[1:41:24] looks like they're just going to page an
[1:41:26] ambulance and hope somebody
[1:41:28] responds and if they don't respond again
[1:41:30] is not emergency this is not emergency
[1:41:32] so they they would page if they got a
[1:41:35] for a transfer yes they they would say
[1:41:38] oh there should be a a one of uh
[1:41:41] ambulance available and then you could
[1:41:42] decide or if those people answer they're
[1:41:45] on there I I'm still having is I don't
[1:41:48] know is anyone else confused here does
[1:41:49] everyone else understand can I can I
[1:41:51] just make a quick suggestion to
[1:41:53] yeah
[1:41:55] um have have you spent some time in the
[1:41:58] Dispatch
[1:42:00] Center and spend two three four maybe
[1:42:04] full shift in the Dispatch Center and
[1:42:07] see all of the things that the
[1:42:09] communication Center do it's incredible
[1:42:11] what they do that's not what I'm saying
[1:42:12] I'm not questioning that I I guess I'm
[1:42:14] just trying to say but I think that
[1:42:16] would help you to understand kind of the
[1:42:18] way things
[1:42:19] flow and and if I may suggest the
[1:42:22] council
[1:42:24] that this this is a to to me this is a
[1:42:27] very vital uh part of the efficiency of
[1:42:32] our agency in the EMS
[1:42:35] Department jumping to a
[1:42:38] decision um nobody nobody on the council
[1:42:40] has talked to me uh with the exception
[1:42:43] of a few questions at two different
[1:42:44] appearances before the
[1:42:46] council maybe it would be a good idea to
[1:42:48] form an advisory
[1:42:51] Council or a committee advis committee
[1:42:54] with three Chiefs I'd love to have a
[1:42:56] Communications officer a couple of
[1:42:58] council members and we could sit down
[1:43:03] and attempt to educate and
[1:43:08] explain the
[1:43:10] process why it works for
[1:43:12] us why it works for other people in the
[1:43:15] county and why it's so important why
[1:43:19] having our own Communication Center is
[1:43:20] so important
[1:43:23] just throwing it out there as an option
[1:43:25] I appreciate those words and again I
[1:43:27] don't want to make it sound like it's
[1:43:28] not working for you right now my only
[1:43:30] question was I I just didn't understand
[1:43:32] why you think that you would get less
[1:43:34] transfers if that's a major concern for
[1:43:37] you less non-emergency transfers under
[1:43:38] the new system I guess I'm just having a
[1:43:40] trouble understanding why that would
[1:43:42] jene I'm G to interrupt you here uh
[1:43:44] we've been going back and forth on the
[1:43:45] same question for quite some time now so
[1:43:48] I'm going to see if anyone else has any
[1:43:49] other questions for chief T out before
[1:43:51] we move on to Chief Saul
[1:43:57] no other questions for
[1:43:59] him all right thank you just point of
[1:44:02] clarification we're not a volunteer
[1:44:03] department we're paid on call EMS
[1:44:05] Department C no no we're considered
[1:44:07] volunteer I we're paid on call when
[1:44:09] right right you you know what the you
[1:44:11] know how much we get for every hour that
[1:44:13] I'm on call 78 cents but on just for
[1:44:17] clarification they're not just coming
[1:44:18] and just being there because because of
[1:44:20] it they are getting compensated for
[1:44:22] their efforts right yeah okay and and
[1:44:25] Jim um we
[1:44:27] also and as I put uh mentioned 8 to four
[1:44:30] week days I do have full-time staff here
[1:44:33] yep same as fire department 36 to 40
[1:44:35] members full-time employees all other
[1:44:37] places just for parts of the week so and
[1:44:39] that has improved our response times um
[1:44:43] it's it's and and I budgeted that
[1:44:47] knowing that I could work that into my
[1:44:49] budget without costing the taxpayers any
[1:44:51] money any understand Staffing trust me I
[1:44:54] deal with it every day I have to do I do
[1:44:55] the scheduling every week so I know what
[1:44:57] it's like to try to schedule a 6-hour
[1:44:59] employee an 8 Hour employee a forh our
[1:45:01] employee I can understand and the
[1:45:03] efficiencies um but my point is trying
[1:45:06] to make that work and we do do it in
[1:45:08] other departments so maybe it's just a
[1:45:10] matter of again like you said looking at
[1:45:11] your schedule looking at fire looking at
[1:45:14] EMS looking at police everybody has
[1:45:17] different schedules you have a different
[1:45:18] schedule than the
[1:45:20] police right than there different than
[1:45:22] the fire all pre run differently yet
[1:45:24] they all work in their departments so I
[1:45:26] can hear your passion in making your
[1:45:28] schedule work for
[1:45:30] you the fire department makes their
[1:45:32] schedule work for them the police have
[1:45:33] made their schedule work for them
[1:45:34] correct so I hear your passion there and
[1:45:36] I can appreciate that sometimes it's a
[1:45:38] matter of stepping back and going is
[1:45:40] this the best way to schedule all due
[1:45:42] respect but is it the best way is it the
[1:45:45] safest is the most efficient because
[1:45:46] there's still inefficiencies with all
[1:45:48] three I'm not saying one's right or
[1:45:50] wrong I think there's inefficiencies
[1:45:52] with all of them you can a nitpicky way
[1:45:54] so I think it's a matter of if we do
[1:45:56] change how can we schedule this better
[1:45:59] to help your employees and the services
[1:46:01] for everybody same for the fire same for
[1:46:03] the police because if this schedule
[1:46:04] comes into play that could affect any of
[1:46:06] us right so it's a matter of how can we
[1:46:08] make sure all those schedules come into
[1:46:10] play so fin County does know if we go
[1:46:13] that way if we don't fine then we got to
[1:46:15] look at the other ways got to look at
[1:46:16] the other expenses the other costs but
[1:46:18] at the same time maybe it's a great time
[1:46:20] too to look at those efficiencies in the
[1:46:23] future if we do stay here as
[1:46:28] well so I guess that wasn't any question
[1:46:31] sorry John I don't know if I had one in
[1:46:32] there I get it Jim you know you know
[1:46:34] scheduling is not easy and I can I can
[1:46:36] hear that over and over with you and I
[1:46:39] appreciate that so thank
[1:46:42] you all right thank you Chief te out
[1:46:45] Chief sell
[1:46:56] how do I follow that um first of all in
[1:47:00] the beginning I have uh provided facts
[1:47:02] on how we operate with dispatch from the
[1:47:03] fire end of things um you all have that
[1:47:06] previously in your packets I've had some
[1:47:09] in-depth discussions with some of you
[1:47:10] answering your questions um you have
[1:47:12] over the last month or two about my pros
[1:47:15] and cons um to clarify information or
[1:47:19] get further input um about issues we've
[1:47:22] had
[1:47:23] or might have had and I thank you guys
[1:47:26] for that I'm happy to answer any
[1:47:28] questions uh you might have tonight
[1:47:30] related to or comparing um different
[1:47:34] operations relating to the way fire does
[1:47:37] things
[1:47:39] um change is not easy for anyone and I
[1:47:43] know that if we go to final Act dispatch
[1:47:45] riping Area Fire District we have to
[1:47:47] change and not do some things that I
[1:47:49] want to do or that we want to do if we
[1:47:52] stay today after realizing some things
[1:47:55] that I've learned um I may I may also
[1:47:58] change some
[1:48:00] things I will work whatever with
[1:48:02] whatever decision has made to best serve
[1:48:04] the ones I've have been hired as an
[1:48:06] expert to
[1:48:11] protect not to make change just because
[1:48:14] it's not the way we've always done it
[1:48:16] might not be the right
[1:48:19] answer um
[1:48:23] I'm going to close well I'm not going to
[1:48:26] close yet um as far as it was way too
[1:48:30] early for that yeah I was going to say
[1:48:31] that short for you as as far as the way
[1:48:35] the fire department Pages um for our our
[1:48:40] department um first of all on on our
[1:48:43] call on call program is pretty similar
[1:48:45] to EMS where they have they have six
[1:48:48] people or eight people whatever it is on
[1:48:50] three different Crews where we have
[1:48:51] seven or eight people on one group um we
[1:48:55] do we do have one page for that on call
[1:48:58] group but we have three different
[1:49:00] responses we have a rapid response
[1:49:02] vehicle only calls where that group
[1:49:04] still gets woken up but they only have
[1:49:07] one person going out on the call we have
[1:49:09] an accident where only two people go on
[1:49:12] our heavy Rescue Squad but the whole
[1:49:14] group gets woken up for the call
[1:49:16] everyone else on our pages and our pages
[1:49:18] are simar are the same pages that uh EMS
[1:49:21] uses and surrounding fire departments
[1:49:25] but there's also a tone on here or a
[1:49:28] button that if they're not on call those
[1:49:30] seven people are on call they have the
[1:49:32] on call on they need to know what's
[1:49:34] going on but if they don't they have a
[1:49:38] um switch on there they switch it to G
[1:49:40] on the pager which is for our general
[1:49:42] alarm
[1:49:44] and they then that's the whole
[1:49:47] department so if there's a structure
[1:49:48] fire everyone's going to know about it
[1:49:50] so that's a little bit about how we page
[1:49:52] our
[1:49:53] people I would I would love to see if I
[1:49:58] were to expect the dispatchers to know
[1:50:00] who I'm my Battalion is covering who
[1:50:01] because it happens all the time
[1:50:03] something I would never expect the
[1:50:05] dispatchers to know who's covering who
[1:50:07] that's on my guys to know that
[1:50:14] um as far as Mutual 8 um I have seven
[1:50:20] Battalion members on a on a battalion I
[1:50:22] have a lieutenant who rides the engine I
[1:50:25] have six firefighters who ride with them
[1:50:27] and I have a battalion Captain who's on
[1:50:30] call they don't get any extra money to
[1:50:32] be on call they get a stien that once a
[1:50:35] year of $250 I believe it is to be on
[1:50:38] call but that Captain was in charge and
[1:50:41] it just happened the other day we got
[1:50:42] paged out to go Mutual Aid to a grass
[1:50:44] fire all we had to do was get on the
[1:50:46] radio and take a pass and we did it's
[1:50:50] that
[1:50:50] simple um
[1:50:59] I'm going
[1:51:02] to I'm going to
[1:51:04] close by saying a couple things that we
[1:51:07] need to take our personal feelings or
[1:51:09] wants out of this none of this should be
[1:51:11] personal why should we should do what's
[1:51:13] best for the service we provide to our
[1:51:15] community first and foremost and that
[1:51:17] decision above is above any of our pay
[1:51:18] grades back there that's you
[1:51:21] guys I will
[1:51:23] I have to respond to something that's
[1:51:24] been set up here and that is Chief wner
[1:51:28] stood before you guys and said this
[1:51:30] change would not compromise the safety
[1:51:32] of our
[1:51:33] community Chief tal stood up here and
[1:51:35] said he disagrees that it would
[1:51:37] compromise the safety of
[1:51:39] community and I got to tell you I stand
[1:51:41] up here and I'm with Chief wner this
[1:51:44] would not Chief wner would not stand up
[1:51:46] here nor would I stand up here as the
[1:51:49] fire chief who was hired to protect this
[1:51:51] community to the best of our ility and
[1:51:53] stand up here and not do what's right
[1:51:56] for the
[1:51:58] community so I had to I had to say that
[1:52:02] um and again the safety of our of our
[1:52:06] Personnel the safety of the community is
[1:52:08] the utmost importance and money's
[1:52:12] important yes money's important
[1:52:14] whichever way the decision
[1:52:16] goes
[1:52:18] um whichever way the decision is made
[1:52:21] the Ripon Area Fire District under my
[1:52:23] leadership will continue to provide the
[1:52:25] best service we can with the dispatch
[1:52:26] capabilities we have to work with that's
[1:52:28] what we have to
[1:52:29] do okay but I will tell you that Chief
[1:52:34] wner and chief Saul are standing here
[1:52:36] and we're not telling you to do
[1:52:37] something that's not in the best
[1:52:39] interest and is going to compromise the
[1:52:40] safety of this
[1:52:42] community if you have any other
[1:52:44] questions I'd be willing more than
[1:52:45] willing to answer them
[1:52:55] could you walk us through um so let's
[1:52:57] say there's a what's called an all call
[1:52:59] or a a very let's say a very serious
[1:53:03] accident
[1:53:04] um uh or or a large house fire whatever
[1:53:08] you know something that's very serious
[1:53:09] that needs to be coordinated um with
[1:53:11] other other emergency Personnel can you
[1:53:14] walk through how this works for you how
[1:53:16] you get called how perhaps the our local
[1:53:18] dispatch our County might get um so
[1:53:21] let's say for example
[1:53:23] um yeah could you could you kind of walk
[1:53:25] through
[1:53:27] um we could take we could take a house
[1:53:29] fire for example and I'll make it short
[1:53:30] and sweet um house fire call comes in um
[1:53:34] does it go to 911 or does it go to the
[1:53:36] city of Rippon I would say better than
[1:53:39] 90% of those calls do go to fondak
[1:53:41] County some of those local people know
[1:53:43] the ri and number and they call they
[1:53:45] call that either way whether it comes
[1:53:47] from finac County or
[1:53:49] us um it gets transferred to us our dis
[1:53:52] fers they do a great job getting us out
[1:53:54] the door especially those two sitting
[1:53:57] right there um they do a great job
[1:53:59] getting us out the door and um we get to
[1:54:02] the fire if it's a working fire I'll
[1:54:04] take uh Joy Street for example um Joy
[1:54:07] Street was the one that put a high
[1:54:08] school we handle that fire with our
[1:54:10] automatic Aid companies um which is done
[1:54:13] throughout the entire County um and that
[1:54:16] fire never went to a Maus alarm which is
[1:54:18] a mutually a box alarm system we belong
[1:54:20] to so that communication stayed right
[1:54:23] through with the dispatchers in
[1:54:26] ripping um then we'll take Jackson
[1:54:28] Street for example those calls came in
[1:54:30] through 911 they also came into the city
[1:54:33] of
[1:54:33] Fondulac um we arrived on the scene we
[1:54:36] knew we had people trapped on the second
[1:54:38] floor we had a significant fire going on
[1:54:40] uh it was a 95 degree day with 100%
[1:54:44] humidity probably is what it felt like
[1:54:46] um we went to a Maus alarm once we go to
[1:54:49] a Maus box
[1:54:50] alarm theoretic
[1:54:53] and the way it's supposed to work is all
[1:54:54] that radio traffic is being done we
[1:54:56] switch our Channel over to found County
[1:54:58] and we're talking to them from that
[1:54:59] point forward to the end of the fire
[1:55:02] there are issues that whether the
[1:55:04] dispatcher says what you know um where
[1:55:07] do you want the police to BL off we got
[1:55:09] to talk to rip and them so that's kind
[1:55:12] of how it ends how it goes it's either a
[1:55:15] fire that's somewhat contained and we're
[1:55:18] we have our capabilities with our four
[1:55:19] departments that come in and help us
[1:55:21] right away or we switch over to fin
[1:55:23] County Mavis division 120 and we talk to
[1:55:26] them and all the radio traffic goes
[1:55:27] through them so you're already working
[1:55:29] with the county is what you're saying in in some cases in in some cases yeah I
[1:55:34] would
[1:55:34] say I would say if we're talking house
[1:55:37] fires probably more than half our house
[1:55:42] fires just to clarify uh if I heard this
[1:55:46] correctly we take all the cell phone
[1:55:49] calls already go to the county any 111
[1:55:53] yeah any 911 phone calls okay and that's
[1:55:56] on a cell phone correct now is there is
[1:55:58] it
[1:56:00] comparable uh is it can I just say that
[1:56:03] is it comparable to say that uh the call
[1:56:05] if if it goes to fondak county is pretty
[1:56:09] comparable to what we have already
[1:56:11] within the city meaning reaction and how
[1:56:14] quickly your engines get out the door um
[1:56:17] that's all I
[1:56:19] got if a 911 call goes to the ca County
[1:56:23] there's I don't know Chief that's more
[1:56:25] of a question for you to answer than me
[1:56:28] there's if there's a delay there's not
[1:56:30] much of a delay there um I do have some
[1:56:33] if you'd like to listen to them some calls from fires um but obviously
[1:56:40] not tonight but well Chief wner is
[1:56:42] coming up I will say I have't had a
[1:56:44] chance to listen to several 911 calls
[1:56:47] and it takes a minimum of 55 seconds for
[1:56:51] fond County to transfer that to rippen
[1:56:54] and that's if the rippen dispatcher is
[1:56:56] not currently already busy with another
[1:56:58] call and I'm just trying to clarify so
[1:57:01] that way the people because this is all
[1:57:03] public and everybody can hear this I
[1:57:04] want everybody to have as much knowledge
[1:57:06] as possible know this way if the public
[1:57:08] doesn't want to talk to us about it that
[1:57:09] they have information at hand that you
[1:57:10] guys have given us but now that they can
[1:57:12] have it too so I appreciate it
[1:57:15] guys and you
[1:57:20] thanks so just to clarify if right now
[1:57:23] the way the system works if if it's a
[1:57:25] call that needs to come back to Ripon so
[1:57:26] let's say it's a 911 call through cell
[1:57:28] phone bolac County gets it they are then
[1:57:31] contacting our Dispatch Center because
[1:57:33] we have a current dispatch right so
[1:57:35] that's who they have to go to there's
[1:57:37] one person that's and if they're already
[1:57:39] on the phone call with a non-emergency
[1:57:40] or another emergency they have to put
[1:57:43] that person on hold and they're now
[1:57:45] answering
[1:57:46] versus um here's here's what I was just
[1:57:49] say I it blew my mind last night when I
[1:57:51] was in the communication Center in the
[1:57:53] county here's what happened I was there
[1:57:54] when a 911 call came in at that time um
[1:57:58] there's a light that goes on everyone
[1:57:59] there knows it's a 911 call immediately
[1:58:02] as the person is entering the
[1:58:03] information some information is already
[1:58:04] prepopulated because of their technology
[1:58:07] um so the one person was on the phone
[1:58:09] with them and there was two other
[1:58:10] dispatchers that were already contacting
[1:58:14] because they could see on the computer
[1:58:15] screen as they were typing were already
[1:58:17] calling up the the police and the fire
[1:58:21] simultaneously three three people were
[1:58:22] on the phone while the dispatch was on
[1:58:26] the phone with 911 and we I know we
[1:58:30] already have Heroes that are here
[1:58:32] locally in our in our local
[1:58:33] Communication Center but we have we
[1:58:35] don't have three people on St I mean and
[1:58:37] they have four they actually there was
[1:58:39] five with their supervisor at at all
[1:58:41] times and so I my understanding is this question of it would take
[1:58:48] longer to now dispatch riin it's because
[1:58:52] we're doing it to ourselves because they
[1:58:53] have to contact someone who has to then
[1:58:56] answer the phone and they could be on
[1:58:57] the phone whereas this could be
[1:58:58] happening happening I saw it firsthand
[1:59:01] instantaneously it sounds like the delay
[1:59:04] that the the concern of is only
[1:59:07] caused because they need to contact our
[1:59:10] incred and we have incredible people I'm
[1:59:12] not I'm not saying like incredible
[1:59:14] people and in fact we have such
[1:59:15] incredible people that um we already
[1:59:18] heard that the change in pay that finac
[1:59:20] county has um I will say that uh Bobby
[1:59:23] said that uh she has been in
[1:59:26] conversation with uh Personnel here and
[1:59:30] she is very impressed with them you know
[1:59:32] there is spots that are available quite
[1:59:34] frankly I the more they learn about the
[1:59:37] fun like facility I'm afraid we're going
[1:59:39] to lose them now she said that she said
[1:59:40] that she would not hire them um knowing
[1:59:42] that you know we if you know that we
[1:59:44] have our system here she would not do
[1:59:45] that to us um but I mean it just blew my
[1:59:51] mind to see how this is is happening
[1:59:52] instantaneously and then the other thing
[1:59:55] I did ask Bobby was uh and you you all
[1:59:58] know I used to come from a school
[1:59:59] counselor background so I know that
[2:00:00] there are people that um are dealing
[2:00:02] with perhaps self harm suicide ideation
[2:00:04] I need to State now that if that is
[2:00:06] something someone is dealing with
[2:00:07] there's lots of help they can get but
[2:00:10] here was the exam and I said to her how
[2:00:12] many calls of self harm of someone um um
[2:00:17] threatening to harm themselves do you
[2:00:18] get and she said quite a few I said
[2:00:19] specifically how many and she said two
[2:00:20] to three a day
[2:00:22] and under this
[2:00:24] circumstance what the dispatch that is
[2:00:27] available in fondel to do because they
[2:00:29] have certification and again not because
[2:00:31] our dispatch could not do this but quite
[2:00:34] frankly we they just don't have the
[2:00:36] certification and there's only one
[2:00:38] person is that that person would stay on
[2:00:40] the phone that entire time until someone
[2:00:42] shows up let's just take for example the
[2:00:45] way I understand it and please tell me
[2:00:46] if I'm right or wrong here let's say
[2:00:48] someone from the city of riin calls our
[2:00:50] dispatch here and they thre to harm
[2:00:53] themselves now another call comes in and
[2:00:55] maybe it's a car accident maybe it's a
[2:00:58] fire how does that work does that
[2:01:01] dispatch here in rippen need to put that
[2:01:03] person on hold that is threatening to
[2:01:05] harm themsel to answer the new call
[2:01:07] coming in and perhaps it's even a
[2:01:09] non-emergency someone complaining about
[2:01:10] grass is that what our current situation
[2:01:13] is yes that's pretty much a summary of
[2:01:18] it this becomes almost emotional for me
[2:01:21] I mean I can't imagine having a loved
[2:01:24] one in a
[2:01:25] crisis and they have to our current
[2:01:28] system that per they have to be put on
[2:01:30] hold or let's say um you know our
[2:01:34] dispatch you know they could be helping
[2:01:35] with bleeding control it could be
[2:01:37] helping someone with a defibrillator CPR
[2:01:40] currently right now we can't do that gets pushed over to the
[2:01:43] county because we do not have someone to
[2:01:45] stay on the phone so what we're saying
[2:01:48] is we could and and I know that our
[2:01:50] dispatchers are more than capable of
[2:01:52] doing this they just again they can't
[2:01:53] because we don't have the capability
[2:01:55] that we could have that immediately
[2:01:57] someone staying on the phone with
[2:01:58] someone help with CPR instruction to
[2:02:00] help with child birth bleeding control
[2:02:02] helping with self
[2:02:03] harm and we could have this but we
[2:02:06] currently right now do not and
[2:02:09] irregardless of cost I just
[2:02:12] think
[2:02:14] wow if it's my loved one I want to make
[2:02:17] sure that there is someone on the phone
[2:02:18] until help shows up
[2:02:25] I'll come back up and address a couple
[2:02:26] things I appreciate what You' said there
[2:02:28] Jolene um obviously the you know the
[2:02:31] Chiefs have come up
[2:02:33] um the Chiefs are very passionate about
[2:02:36] their departments um I've taken no
[2:02:38] offense to anything that's been set up
[2:02:39] here tonight really what they want is
[2:02:42] they want the best for their departments
[2:02:44] um and I and I think that you know this
[2:02:48] is a very important topic um and there's
[2:02:51] a lot of concern consideration here as
[2:02:53] far as the the dispatchers you've raised
[2:02:56] some some interesting points there um
[2:03:00] and I you know I appreciate that Bobby
[2:03:03] um said she wouldn't hire anybody from
[2:03:06] here until you know our if if that was
[2:03:08] something we decided but quite frankly
[2:03:11] um those employees have stated to me
[2:03:13] that they
[2:03:14] wouldn't leave here before that change
[2:03:17] occurred because quite frankly they're loyal to to the mission of
[2:03:23] Emergency Response with our community
[2:03:25] and that's just the type of people they
[2:03:27] are
[2:03:30] so I don't know where we go from here um
[2:03:33] you know Chief Tel has certainly offered
[2:03:37] you a
[2:03:38] suggestion um I don't
[2:03:44] know I I leave it up for you for any
[2:03:47] questions you have for me or some
[2:03:49] further direction that you would like
[2:03:56] obviously right now we've sorry we've
[2:03:59] budgeted 2021 as if the Communication
[2:04:02] Center is here so that's taken care of
[2:04:06] um because we didn't know decisions that
[2:04:08] were going to made and discussions that
[2:04:09] were going to be happening one question
[2:04:11] for you on that uh the gentleman uh
[2:04:14] Allen from the county executive in his
[2:04:17] letter the number nine the
[2:04:19] administrative review board
[2:04:23] not familiar with that we'd have three
[2:04:25] people on it MH what exactly do they do
[2:04:28] I mean we're going to be by going with
[2:04:30] them we're right now we're free to do
[2:04:32] what we want I mean it's our dispatch
[2:04:36] yeah we control we policy and generally
[2:04:40] what happens is let's say the Chiefs
[2:04:42] have you know together we discuss if
[2:04:44] there's a policy change that needs to be
[2:04:46] made or something that's happened that
[2:04:47] we need to address we discuss that
[2:04:49] together and then uh we Implement that change with our
[2:04:54] Communications officers and we would
[2:04:55] lose that going to fondel act to a
[2:04:58] certain extent basically it's a group
[2:05:01] it's a board made up of the entities
[2:05:03] that are involved with the
[2:05:05] communications so we'd be three of how
[2:05:08] many people on this board I I don't know
[2:05:10] how many total John do you know nine right nine that are on it so it's
[2:05:15] representatives from each okay so
[2:05:18] there's nine right now on it I think so there'd be 12 yeah on it so we'd have
[2:05:25] you'd have one quarter of the pole so to
[2:05:29] speak and in our discussions if I
[2:05:31] remember correctly typically they only
[2:05:33] allow two per Community yeah however
[2:05:37] we're a little different because the
[2:05:39] fire department is separate from the
[2:05:40] city it's a separate entity really it's
[2:05:43] a fire district so they would allow for
[2:05:45] that third voice from them okay if that
[2:05:48] was the conversation if I recall that's
[2:05:51] why they
[2:05:52] had okay so the fire department's kind
[2:05:54] of a wild card being a area ripping area
[2:05:58] well they're they're yeah they're
[2:05:59] separate from the city function so the
[2:06:01] police and EMS orable City own okay but
[2:06:04] the city would always have two yes okay
[2:06:08] do you have any concerns with that if
[2:06:10] you if we'd have to go this way with the
[2:06:13] board with the yeah having to go to a
[2:06:15] board inste it's just the three of you
[2:06:17] having control well obviously you know
[2:06:20] that was one of the factors as to why we
[2:06:23] retained our Dispatch Center back when
[2:06:26] that all happened was because of that
[2:06:28] loss of home rule that loss of
[2:06:30] control um you know that existed at that
[2:06:34] time the relationships were different um
[2:06:37] people involved were different um if you
[2:06:40] remember there wasn't a standalone
[2:06:42] Communication Center with you know that
[2:06:46] was they were combining with the
[2:06:48] sheriff's department who was the major
[2:06:51] controller there that since moved
[2:06:55] so yeah you're losing
[2:06:58] that I'll be honest I'm losing my
[2:07:00] control my my say even you know and not
[2:07:05] that I would ever do this but obviously
[2:07:07] one of those Chiefs could come to me and
[2:07:09] say I want this to be done and I could
[2:07:11] say
[2:07:11] well because of these reasons you know
[2:07:15] that control we lose okay do you have
[2:07:17] concerns about that
[2:07:19] board just the fact that two two items
[2:07:24] when I brought this up at the previous
[2:07:25] meet first
[2:07:26] off if something if something comes up I
[2:07:29] can walk in the Bill's office consult
[2:07:32] with the fire chief if it involves his
[2:07:34] Department we can solve that in an hour
[2:07:38] right and he can he can put up and and
[2:07:40] we can walk up to the Dispatch Center
[2:07:42] and and consult with our Communications
[2:07:44] officers and say hey this is a problem
[2:07:46] giv me your thoughts and boom it's taken
[2:07:49] care of and Bill will change or
[2:07:52] procedural change there won't be a
[2:07:53] problem so that's that's one is timeless
[2:07:55] of something okay um and secondary yeah
[2:08:00] we we would lose you know the bargaining
[2:08:03] power that we have you know it's it's you know and kud Bill he's and
[2:08:10] chief all with me we walk office and say
[2:08:14] Bill you know I'd like this to happen
[2:08:16] bill this was a problem how we fix this
[2:08:19] he makes sure it gets fixed if and when
[2:08:22] I go to the
[2:08:23] board they're going to tell I'm not
[2:08:25] going to say what they're going to say
[2:08:26] but oh that's a riffin problem but it's
[2:08:29] not a fond like problem it's not an nor
[2:08:31] problem it's not a won problem so we're
[2:08:34] not going to do anything about it that's
[2:08:36] my concern okay so but if they see it as
[2:08:39] a universal problem sure I I would hope
[2:08:41] that everybody would look at it but the
[2:08:44] problem that we have our community
[2:08:48] problems I felt that a Ripp Community
[2:08:51] problem
[2:08:52] would affect you know what what would F
[2:08:56] why would F care if we needed to send a
[2:08:59] different truck to the fire or something
[2:09:01] like that so and the other thing too is
[2:09:03] Bobby Bobby
[2:09:05] has she can do a lot without doing that
[2:09:08] board so I don't want to make you think
[2:09:10] that everything that Bob's controlled by
[2:09:13] that board she can take care of the easy
[2:09:15] stuff but if if it's a major change then
[2:09:18] that board is going to review it it
[2:09:22] it's the right thing to do all right I
[2:09:24] think I got to say something too and
[2:09:26] that's um if it's been and John's kind
[2:09:30] of right in One Way by saying um you
[2:09:33] know if it's a Ripp and related problem
[2:09:36] that's probably going to be more of a
[2:09:38] Lobby thing to say how do we work this
[2:09:40] out if it's a probably bring to the
[2:09:42] board it might not address the whole
[2:09:45] concern for everybody else they might
[2:09:46] not be concerned about it but maybe it's
[2:09:48] something that affects everyone else um
[2:09:51] so
[2:09:51] yeah
[2:09:53] there's there's pros and cons both and
[2:09:56] the bottom yeah and I don't mean to cut
[2:09:57] you off but the bottom line is that was
[2:09:59] one of the reasons we retained our
[2:10:00] Dispatch Center was to REM remain was to
[2:10:03] have that
[2:10:04] control because of and and again things
[2:10:06] have changed drastically since that time
[2:10:08] and and she's expressed that she's
[2:10:10] always willing to listen and work
[2:10:12] through problems so
[2:10:14] um we didn't have the same offer on the
[2:10:16] table bill sorry all du respect we
[2:10:18] didn't have the same offer on the table
[2:10:20] years ago that we we do now no
[2:10:23] budgetarily operationally correct
[2:10:25] everything it is a completely different
[2:10:27] op so much has changed since that time
[2:10:30] that technology issues money whatever
[2:10:34] thanks Bill John all right thank
[2:10:38] you I'm trying to pull these numbers
[2:10:40] from all these different
[2:10:42] pages and so I'm going to need some help
[2:10:44] from everybody if we go to the fond
[2:10:49] County dispatch that cost the city of
[2:10:50] ripping $100,000 a
[2:10:53] year
[2:10:55] EMS the 247
[2:10:58] 365 is
[2:11:01] 175,00 a
[2:11:03] year extra officer that the chief wants
[2:11:07] or needs would be 100,000 a year so
[2:11:11] that's at
[2:11:12] 475
[2:11:14] 200,000 and I don't have a number for if
[2:11:17] you're going to
[2:11:18] retain um a front Des or
[2:11:22] assistant in the police department what
[2:11:25] that cost would be per year but the way
[2:11:28] I add it up it's it's well over what the
[2:11:32] 10e projection is to keep the Personnel
[2:11:37] cost for the Dispatch Center in
[2:11:42] rippen so it am I looking at those
[2:11:45] numbers right and pulling them together
[2:11:49] well let me just and I'm not sure
[2:11:51] where you're looking specifically let's
[2:11:53] just kind of walk through this just so
[2:11:55] that you know we
[2:11:56] don't so when you look at the first the
[2:12:00] first thing I would ask you to look at
[2:12:01] when you're when you're talking about
[2:12:02] just the money is this box MH this box
[2:12:06] graph here so Personnel costs
[2:12:09] alone that articulates to you a projection
[2:12:15] based on a 3% increase which is marginal
[2:12:19] compared to what it generally has been
[2:12:20] that's what you're looking at over the
[2:12:22] next um 10 years versus what the tax
[2:12:27] levy from Fond black will be that's
[2:12:29] Personnel cost alone okay when you add
[2:12:33] in those other things you're looking at
[2:12:36] again over the next 10 years probably
[2:12:39] another $1.8
[2:12:41] million
[2:12:43] on stuff that we use every year so
[2:12:47] licensing agreements uh telephone lines
[2:12:50] those typ of things can be $18,000 to
[2:12:53] $20,000 a year so let's say let's say
[2:12:57] over the next 10 years let's say
[2:12:59] 180,000 but um you know that pushes that
[2:13:03] number up even further that doesn't
[2:13:05] count in any type of infrastructure
[2:13:07] issues that you're going to have to
[2:13:09] replace so it doesn't count in the
[2:13:11] $140,000 for a 911 system doesn't you
[2:13:15] know add those things in Personnel costs
[2:13:17] are always the highest thing okay okay
[2:13:21] whenever we're talking about
[2:13:23] this certainly you know where we're
[2:13:26] going with Personnel costs and that's no
[2:13:29] fault of the employees that's no fault
[2:13:31] of anybody that if they just are what
[2:13:32] they are 90% of my budget over 90% of my
[2:13:36] budget is Personnel cost so that plays a
[2:13:39] significant role in that number um but
[2:13:42] yeah if you and again the officer
[2:13:45] position that you suggest and that that
[2:13:48] we talked about that would be a
[2:13:51] just from my standpoint that would be a
[2:13:53] budgetary item that would be requested
[2:13:56] in
[2:13:57] 2022 if if I believe that need is still
[2:14:01] needed at that time um and you could
[2:14:04] always say we're not doing that as a
[2:14:06] council you could eliminate that out of
[2:14:08] the budget is that need regardless if we
[2:14:11] switch
[2:14:12] over or if we stay well the reason that
[2:14:15] I'd be looking for that additional
[2:14:17] officer would be to again if if our
[2:14:21] dispatchers are not here during those
[2:14:24] evening hours anytime somebody comes in
[2:14:26] the lobby wanting to talk to an officer
[2:14:29] I've got to pull somebody off the
[2:14:31] road um to do that um so I may have
[2:14:35] officers that are going to be subjected
[2:14:37] to being in the Dispatch Center handling
[2:14:40] those things that Communications
[2:14:41] officers had been doing in the past so I
[2:14:45] need to be careful about getting making
[2:14:48] sure I've got coverage for the community
[2:14:50] as well as is answering those things
[2:14:52] that the dispatchers are doing here now
[2:14:53] currently so that's a significant issue
[2:14:56] yeah um so so yeah if the if the
[2:14:58] Communication Center stayed I don't
[2:15:00] think that there would be a need for us
[2:15:01] to request that good um with the and and
[2:15:05] I agree with the with the cost that
[2:15:07] Chief Tel is indicating to you that he
[2:15:10] would
[2:15:11] need whether you agree with those or not
[2:15:14] that causes you to really look at the
[2:15:17] numbers here as to where we're at and there's not a lot of
[2:15:22] leeway um in regards to
[2:15:26] that but again those are in my opinion
[2:15:29] those are budgetary items those are
[2:15:31] issues that
[2:15:33] certainly you know and again not I'm not
[2:15:37] being disparaging of EMS or his needs
[2:15:39] he's articulated those to you but as I
[2:15:42] stated in the document those are
[2:15:43] budgetary requests that we all have to
[2:15:46] make if I believe I need a new officer
[2:15:49] or an additional officer I would make
[2:15:50] that as a budget AR request you could
[2:15:52] deny that same thing with him he would
[2:15:54] make that as a budgetary
[2:15:56] request so you know but if if all things
[2:16:00] considered if he got all of his requests
[2:16:04] that he wants I got my requests the fire
[2:16:06] chief got whatever he wanted yeah you're
[2:16:09] looking at where where the savings comes
[2:16:11] from are
[2:16:13] those those if there are if there is
[2:16:17] savings is that remember the county will
[2:16:20] cover all of the hardware expenditures
[2:16:22] in the future all of those issues they
[2:16:25] take the liability issues away they take
[2:16:28] all those employment issues away that's
[2:16:30] part of that 200,000 that you're going
[2:16:32] to be paying so but I agree you start to
[2:16:37] look at it and you really got a question
[2:16:40] here you made a comment and I might have
[2:16:42] misunderstood it you said that
[2:16:45] 200,000 stays on the table as long as
[2:16:49] the that Elbo they executive is yeah I
[2:16:53] mean we don't have I don't know what the
[2:16:55] future would hold obviously the
[2:16:58] agreement is the agreement and AR our
[2:17:00] argument would be that's the agreement
[2:17:03] that's what you said this is what we
[2:17:04] signed that's what it is um obviously if
[2:17:08] you know 10 years from now a different
[2:17:11] County exec came in he might say well
[2:17:13] maybe we want he could make that
[2:17:16] argument or she could a 10year contract
[2:17:20] is that what it is that's what I read it
[2:17:22] to be now I don't know I don't believe
[2:17:23] so wasn't reduced to no there's no time
[2:17:26] limit on it okay I will tell you that
[2:17:30] the amount that the city of
[2:17:41] fondaco with him we don't believe that there's any intention of that ever
[2:17:45] changing
[2:17:52] this is not an easy conversation I I
[2:17:54] understand that
[2:17:57] but and I will add because it's not easy
[2:17:59] I can't stress enough how much I learned
[2:18:01] and I don't want to talk so much here
[2:18:03] but I do think it's interesting um that
[2:18:05] Bobby hin said I was the only council
[2:18:07] member that that came and visited and
[2:18:09] sat down with her and and I say this
[2:18:11] because the question of uh for example
[2:18:14] the the leadership board that she was
[2:18:15] talking about if it comes down to riing
[2:18:18] having control what they said is they
[2:18:19] are making an exception as we just heard
[2:18:21] for us to have three every other city in
[2:18:23] the county their EMS and fire are
[2:18:25] together which is why they only have two
[2:18:27] so if we're worried about having sort of
[2:18:29] more say if anything ripping they are
[2:18:31] seeding more sort of say to us because
[2:18:34] they're allowing us to have three people
[2:18:37] at that table from the city of Rippon um
[2:18:40] and she also said that here's a neat
[2:18:43] thing because you're now combined you
[2:18:45] know we're afraid that we're not going
[2:18:46] to be able to solve something
[2:18:47] immediately but on the same token we
[2:18:50] don't have to they have four they have
[2:18:51] quarterly meetings formally but you can
[2:18:54] call any time to her she said call
[2:18:56] anytime if there's an issue you have
[2:18:57] you're not going to wait until the
[2:18:58] meeting you know the quarterly meeting
[2:19:01] and she said here's a neat thing we have
[2:19:02] other people at the table that probably
[2:19:04] have also dealt with this issue so the
[2:19:06] concern now is we're losing out on that
[2:19:09] other brain power expertise from other
[2:19:11] cities that they could be collaborating
[2:19:12] with us to come up with an idea um and
[2:19:15] so that's what what she assured me I
[2:19:17] also had the question about um you know
[2:19:19] the cost and speaking of Al beel um
[2:19:21] let's hope he doesn't retire soon and
[2:19:23] here's the really the important thing is
[2:19:25] that he is including he's not charging
[2:19:27] the city of ripping for CAD licensing
[2:19:29] for software uh for mobile computer
[2:19:32] licensing for the squad cars these are
[2:19:35] things that Bobby said other counties
[2:19:38] she knows for a fact are charging this
[2:19:40] the municipalities for alen has said the
[2:19:42] city of rippen folks are taxpayers for
[2:19:45] the county I want to make sure that that
[2:19:47] we're not making money off of this so
[2:19:50] you know uh he could retire he could
[2:19:52] change jobs next year and it was pretty
[2:19:54] clear that we're sort of lucky that
[2:19:57] we're only being charged of 200,000
[2:20:00] where they could request more based on the levy and what the needs are and
[2:20:04] what quite frankly seems to be common at
[2:20:06] other places I will also state that um
[2:20:10] Bobby said that for six months a
[2:20:13] dispatcher is never on the call alone
[2:20:16] when they're training because of the
[2:20:18] seriousness of the situation for
[2:20:20] emergency
[2:20:21] so for 6 months there's always someone
[2:20:23] else listening in providing support we
[2:20:26] there's no way we can have that we don't
[2:20:28] have that and and she also has weekly
[2:20:30] meetings with her staff she said also
[2:20:32] there's post-traumatic stressor briefing
[2:20:34] they have EAP um when someone having a
[2:20:37] hard day maybe they just were on the
[2:20:39] dispatch with someone that unfortunately
[2:20:41] passed away she can say to them take a
[2:20:43] breather we have three four other people
[2:20:45] here right now we can't do that if I'm
[2:20:48] looking out for the best needs of our
[2:20:50] dispatchers Qui quite frankly the way
[2:20:52] she's able to she put humor up there
[2:20:53] she's checking in with them personally
[2:20:56] she's providing professional develop I
[2:20:57] mean if if I'm looking out for the best
[2:20:59] of our dispatchers wow I mean we don't
[2:21:02] have someone that right now I mean
[2:21:04] obviously each of you are looking at
[2:21:06] that department heads the the well-being
[2:21:07] of the dispatchers but at the county we
[2:21:10] have someone who is literally in charge
[2:21:12] with making sure the health well-being
[2:21:13] the mental health of their dispatchers
[2:21:16] are taken care
[2:21:18] of wow
[2:21:21] I'd like to hope that I do that yes and
[2:21:24] I think you do pay attention to their to
[2:21:26] their needs no you do but what I'm
[2:21:28] saying you're not but I understand
[2:21:30] you're not that's not your professional
[2:21:31] sort of main role I get it yep I get it
[2:21:34] there certainly are things that uh they
[2:21:36] offer that we cannot offer um there is
[2:21:38] no argument there um the Staffing the
[2:21:42] budget they have the facility the
[2:21:45] equipment there are certain things that
[2:21:47] they they can do not to take away from
[2:21:49] any of our
[2:21:52] you're not doing that and I know you
[2:21:53] take care of them and they they and they
[2:21:55] talk so highly of
[2:21:57] you I would just like to add to that
[2:21:59] note no matter how exceptional our
[2:22:02] dispatchers are and they are
[2:22:04] exceptional I don't think they can
[2:22:07] provide the level of service that having
[2:22:09] three or four or five Dispatchers in one
[2:22:11] room right can do by themselves I mean
[2:22:15] they are
[2:22:16] exceptional but they don't have the
[2:22:20] backup that
[2:22:21] fond and in my
[2:22:26] opinion the city would benefit
[2:22:30] vastly by going to the Fondulac Dispatch
[2:22:33] Center and hopefully our dispatchers can
[2:22:37] make their system better and go and work
[2:22:39] there for those that are willing to make
[2:22:41] the commute
[2:22:44] but the way I see it it's the best for
[2:22:47] our community
[2:22:52] just take the money out of it
[2:22:55] safety
[2:23:00] U that's
[2:23:05] simple but that's my
[2:23:07] two I got say one more thing I I gave up
[2:23:11] my hour at
[2:23:13] theum only 10 minutes into it so um as uh I'm getting dirty looks um as
[2:23:20] Chief teach out said he wanted or he
[2:23:22] needs this when Chief wner was up here
[2:23:25] he said well you know he wants this I
[2:23:27] want that I want this I got to be honest
[2:23:30] with you um our fire department is very
[2:23:33] comparable to what Pon ederton and baru
[2:23:37] and all those departments um they're
[2:23:40] very similar to ours where they operate
[2:23:43] fire and at EMS those departments have
[2:23:45] two to three full-time employees let me
[2:23:48] tell you I want full-time employees okay
[2:23:52] I want two more full-time
[2:23:54] employees
[2:23:56] but we operate similar to EMS and I will
[2:23:59] tell you that on the Fire end of it it's
[2:24:02] not com down to the want I want those
[2:24:04] employees that's a budgetary item
[2:24:08] and I don't need those employees just
[2:24:11] because we're just on the Fire end just
[2:24:13] because we're switching dispatch centers
[2:24:14] or potentially switching dispatch
[2:24:16] centers like you
[2:24:17] said I just want you to know that we
[2:24:20] doing that with one employee and we're
[2:24:23] we don't need those other employees to
[2:24:26] answer those calls to make the system
[2:24:32] work I'm done talking serious thank
[2:24:39] you any other questions or comments on
[2:24:42] this topic for the
[2:24:45] evening any instructions to departments
[2:24:47] for further information
[2:24:57] hold it over for another meeting then
[2:24:59] continue the
[2:25:00] discussion although I will ask Bill one
[2:25:03] question um as far as timeline goes in
[2:25:07] order to implement what your suggested
[2:25:10] timeline how quickly do we need to have
[2:25:13] a firm decision to implement that yeah I
[2:25:15] think we need to you know for for a
[2:25:18] number of reasons one is you know the
[2:25:19] transition with the colony they're
[2:25:21] working on whether they need to as part
[2:25:24] of their Hardware budget budget uh with
[2:25:27] their transition as far as our
[2:25:29] capabilities here to incorporate that
[2:25:31] what that's going to look like or if
[2:25:32] we're not going to be here anymore so
[2:25:34] they've got some things there that they
[2:25:36] need to answer in a relatively short
[2:25:38] time um and quite frankly
[2:25:42] um I think our our Communications
[2:25:45] officers deserve an answer here um on
[2:25:49] where we're going to go um we've been
[2:25:51] struggling with this for um a number of
[2:25:54] months and obviously it's an important
[2:25:56] conversation but I think they deserve
[2:25:58] that and regardless of how this goes so
[2:26:01] I would say that if we could you know
[2:26:04] maybe give you an opportunity to reach
[2:26:07] out answer some more questions with
[2:26:09] either any of the Chiefs directly um but
[2:26:12] I would think that next meeting we need
[2:26:16] to decide where we're going here
[2:26:20] first meeting in
[2:26:22] December that is there a meeting there's
[2:26:24] a 23rd right there's one one more this
[2:26:27] month this month again it's up to the
[2:26:29] council I'm just thinking to give the
[2:26:30] council an opportunity to really digest
[2:26:33] what we've heard and obviously and if
[2:26:36] it's a huge decision and if we are to
[2:26:38] make the change what do you need from
[2:26:41] us as far as backing or motions or just
[2:26:48] direction to do it
[2:26:51] um I would think that we need to
[2:26:54] finalize that agreement with the county
[2:26:55] correct yes that route that would be the
[2:26:58] only thing and then we've kind of
[2:27:01] outlined some suggestions there within
[2:27:03] the documents
[2:27:04] that would dictate how we would transfer
[2:27:07] funds and as far as holding them over
[2:27:10] and those type of things but we would
[2:27:11] take care of that internally I would
[2:27:13] think the only thing that we would need
[2:27:15] would be to approve probably some type
[2:27:17] of approval of the the agreement with
[2:27:20] the county the formal approval process
[2:27:23] but that would come after your decision
[2:27:26] on how you
[2:27:31] go any more discussion for this
[2:27:35] evening and do we have a hard copy of
[2:27:38] the agreement from the county no not yet
[2:27:41] they're waiting for Direction they
[2:27:44] haven't drawn up an agreement yet well
[2:27:46] the agreement pretty much the agreement
[2:27:48] is outlined in the document that elb
[2:27:50] sent I I would imagine there wouldn't be
[2:27:52] much more different than that but that
[2:27:55] kind of outlines what that agreement
[2:27:56] would be other than locking into a
[2:27:59] timeline I think the common Council
[2:28:00] would be interested to
[2:28:02] know if they'd be willing to enter into
[2:28:04] a memorandum of understanding as to how
[2:28:07] long the $200,000 would
[2:28:10] apply certainly an important factor in
[2:28:12] the decision so maybe you can reach out
[2:28:15] to him and see I can do that yep bill
[2:28:17] and his memo used the 10year window
[2:28:20] um so maybe 10 years is not a bad place
[2:28:23] to
[2:28:25] start why perf yeah I would I would not
[2:28:29] put the 10 years in there quite frankly
[2:28:31] I would not even put a number in there I
[2:28:33] would just leave it openend we're going
[2:28:36] to get that leaving it open-ended I
[2:28:38] think is a risk when you don't have Alo
[2:28:40] for that much longer um I just think
[2:28:43] that's a risk so I'm just throwing the
[2:28:45] 10 year-old there is kind of a a window
[2:28:48] that I think he may be able to with the
[2:28:50] county but I don't know that I'm just I
[2:28:53] don't think anybody's going to look
[2:28:55] on they made representation cuz I asked
[2:28:58] a specific question at the last meeting
[2:28:59] and they had they made representation
[2:29:01] that it was going to be in perpetuity
[2:29:02] okay and that's fine that's the way I
[2:29:04] took it that can be I understood it
[2:29:07] sorry if I be a wonderful lock in have a
[2:29:11] memorandum of understanding that and I
[2:29:13] think that didn't lauran that was our
[2:29:15] understanding for the purpose of
[2:29:17] allowing the city to participate in the
[2:29:19] 911 program
[2:29:21] and there's cancellation cancellation
[2:29:23] Clauses on each side I mean it's all in
[2:29:25] there all right all right um so we'll
[2:29:28] hold this discussion over for the next
[2:29:29] meeting and hopefully if you have any
[2:29:31] questions for the Chiefs please reach
[2:29:33] out to them and they will give you your
[2:29:35] answers uh moving on to uh project
[2:29:39] updates and staff reports Lori I have
[2:29:41] nothing uh Mike do you have any
[2:29:45] Chief other
[2:29:47] Chiefs all right um those staff reports
[2:29:52] um just a big thanks to Mike's crew for
[2:29:54] the leaves I know it's been a big two
[2:29:57] weeks here obviously in all month but
[2:29:59] past two weeks with the weather we had
[2:30:01] they've they've been out there all the
[2:30:03] I've seen them constantly out there so
[2:30:05] thank you doing a wonderful
[2:30:08] job and you are scheduling till the 20th
[2:30:12] of this month that is correct okay so
[2:30:14] everybody out there listening knows to
[2:30:16] get their rakes out and get at it coming
[2:30:19] over um sure why not so you got one more
[2:30:22] good weekend of raking
[2:30:25] yep weather depending all right um so I
[2:30:29] have no appointments tonight just a
[2:30:31] couple of comments uh first on the
[2:30:32] elections I personally want to thank our
[2:30:34] city clerk and Sher and all the poll
[2:30:37] workers for their hard work during the
[2:30:38] entire election season it's no longer an
[2:30:40] election
[2:30:41] day um second as a reminder to the
[2:30:45] community the ripen City's sign
[2:30:47] ordinance requires that all political
[2:30:49] signs must be removed 3 days following
[2:30:51] the election as is now a week past the
[2:30:54] election all those political signs
[2:30:56] should now be taken
[2:30:58] down uh and Co updates uh new cases are
[2:31:02] skyrocketing in the state in the county
[2:31:05] the country um the world um as weather
[2:31:09] cools down people stay indoors more and
[2:31:12] causes a higher chance of getting
[2:31:13] infected and infections are increasing
[2:31:16] almost
[2:31:17] exponentially rippen's new cases have been holding fairly steady at a
[2:31:22] high point um but they're steady uh
[2:31:25] unfortunately our infection rate is very
[2:31:28] high most days are between 20 and
[2:31:30] 60% this means that people are likely
[2:31:33] only getting tested once they display
[2:31:35] symptoms that leaves the people who are
[2:31:38] asymptomatic to possibly spread the
[2:31:40] disease if you are exposed or if you
[2:31:43] have had contact with someone who tests
[2:31:46] positive get yourself tested there are
[2:31:49] free testings sites in Oshkosh and
[2:31:50] Fondulac uh the ashkash site is still
[2:31:53] open 6 days a week I believe the
[2:31:56] Fondulac one may be down to one day uh
[2:31:59] in the
[2:32:01] meantime
[2:32:03] everyone uh should continue to stay home
[2:32:05] unless you have essential business or
[2:32:07] shopping to conduct and when you are out
[2:32:10] wear face coverings and continue to
[2:32:12] social
[2:32:13] distance on a positive note a vaccine
[2:32:17] that shows an effective level of more
[2:32:18] than 90%
[2:32:21] um with little to no side effects is
[2:32:24] pending FDA approval currently if
[2:32:27] approval is granted distribution of the
[2:32:29] vaccine could begin before the end of
[2:32:32] this year First Responders and healthc
[2:32:35] care workers would receive vaccines
[2:32:36] first and General Distribution to the
[2:32:40] rest of the country would be most likely
[2:32:43] in early to mid spring of next year so
[2:32:48] there may be an end on the horizon
[2:32:51] as always be safe stay healthy and
[2:32:53] remember to be kind considerate and
[2:32:55] respectful to others any comments or
[2:32:59] future agenda items from Council
[2:33:02] Members hear oh John I've gotten a
[2:33:06] couple complaints about the 100 200 and
[2:33:09] 300 block of Watson Street and what can
[2:33:12] be placed on the
[2:33:13] sidewalks and I'd like an
[2:33:17] explanation official explanation of what
[2:33:19] can be placed on the
[2:33:22] sidewalks
[2:33:24] Flags A-frame or open signs or whatever
[2:33:28] it is I've read the ordinance and
[2:33:30] it's to me it's a little bit confusing
[2:33:34] pardon it's vague yeah so if L
[2:33:39] coulde that clar clarification for the
[2:33:42] next meeting yep all right we're going
[2:33:44] to bring it up at our historic
[2:33:45] preservation meeting so I would like to
[2:33:48] eventually have a
[2:33:50] Something official from
[2:33:52] L okay thank you thank you anyone
[2:33:58] else is there a motion to adjourn I'll
[2:34:01] move to
[2:34:02] adjourn second moved by Ben second by
[2:34:05] David all those in favor say I I opposed
[2:34:10] we are
[2:34:18] adjourned e