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Um, I'm going to pass around the calls
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» Um, so future report calls for service
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around.
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and knowing that it could be a sticky
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onethird of our calls for August were
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So I just I'm not super good at math and
help but but six of 18 seems to be

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one/3. So I I'm going to talk to Mitch
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» were they were they like lift assists?
>> They're not calling out ambulance too.

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they are doing a variety of things. Um,
but I want to make sure that I get in

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touch with him so that I have the what
they're they're really doing what

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they're intending to do and then discuss
what that what that means to the fire

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department because when we page for
personnel and people show up, we have a

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capital outlay because we're paying
people and if we have the same people

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having ellipticist that agnostic of the
people having ithic if staffing isn't

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working I either side. We want to help,
but it's not necessarily the obligation

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of the district [snorts] and the board
to pay for something that should already

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be covered.
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we'll have further on that after I talk
to Mitch. Um, otherwise, nothing of

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incredible note fire alarms, vehicle
accident.

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Uh
total calls for the year 202. Um

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18 pay on call members, one junior
firefighter, nine part-time members, and

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one youth apprentice. Um so at the end
of the day, we are up 17 calls from last

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year by the at the end of August.

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I know it's a a little bit early uh in
your tenure as chief, but uh how do you

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feel about our um the number of
firefighters in the district? Um does it

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seem I know you don't necessarily want
to say, you know, you're fully staffed

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or not fully staffed because that can
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» Well, full fully staff's a number. We
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that's if you're fully staffed, then
that's that that just is a number that

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what what we have. um we need more
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I mean that that that was a day one
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» um that's a day one issue for every
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in the country right now so
>> researching national volunteer fire

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council in terms of statistically what
can we expect and the

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the downside is we don't have the local
businesses, the farms that could have

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employees leave on a regular basis. And
that that was that was and at some point

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still is the staple of the volunteer
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» And that's why we'll talk about budget
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pains in every fire department of our
size across the country is if if the

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staffing model changes, but we continue
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» h how do we balance that? So that's
that's one of the things that's

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incumbent upon me, but more is better to
the point that we're fully staffed. I

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» that that's the goal. So ultimately,
I'm not super interested in a number.

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I'm interested in reliable fire service
24/7, 365. That's if if we can get

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vehicles out the door that have the
right people on them that can provide

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the right service, that's the goal. Um,
in most organizations you have probably

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a third to a half that are the
consistent contributors and you have the

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other half that kind of makes up the
balance and for for whatever whatever

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the reasons are. But statistically that
seems to be what's shaking out in the

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Um
so donations um we have been approached

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by Alliance Laundry after they saw um or
read in the paper about the

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» Yeah. It's either people watch these
meetings or or the or the newspaper.

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» Yeah. So, one of the two and uh so
Margaret Hefernan reached out um and

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she's the the communications and
corporate giving manager reached out and

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um wants to make Alliance wants to make
a $5,000 donation that can go for

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radios. So, we have the radio that we're
going to get to on engine 11 that's been

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purchased, but we need to make those
upgrades. So the the intent behind the

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donation can be fully utilized because
we can put one in in truck 17 and it's

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going to [snorts] need it in the next
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upgrades. So thanks to them we can get
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you will support the acceptance of the
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» I'll move to accept the donation from
launch for $5,000.

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» Second.
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» All those in favor, please signify by
saying I.

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» I.
>> Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes.

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» So, lieutenants process, we have three
candidates. We have a written test for

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them on the 3rd at 6 p.m. So, we have
three that are that are moving in the

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process. Um, and the goal is to get that
done relatively quickly. Um, so make

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sure we we get them what they need. um
have a fair and

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accurate test and we'll just continue on
with the process. Uh fire inspection

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updates. Uh our fire protection
specialist has resigned as of earlier

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this week.
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» is he still a paid on call person?
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requested a 60-day leave of absence from
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side as well.
um that was granted. That's within

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policy. So that was a said, "Sure, go
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figure out kind of where he wants to be
and what he wants to do. So he said kind

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of just wasn't the fit for him. Said,
"Thank you for the things you've done so

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far. We're up to date on our
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it's just those are the things that

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happen. So,
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update on new engine radio has been
ordered and we're waiting on the

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install. So, as soon as the radio comes
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well, we get it put in and then we can
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our rep from Neielson Communications who
we get the radios from tomorrow because

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he's dropping off other things and so I
get to bug him for when we can get that

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when they when it could get put in.
um SOG and SOP update.

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I delivered
uh all of them on a flash drive. Um

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to loop
I would like to deliver to all the board

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members in their favorite format all of
the SOPs and all the SOGS right now.

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They're what we're working off of. Um
and I'm changing them. So, what I I'd

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like to give you what we have now and
then start moving forward. One of the

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things that I noticed when I started
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It's if you don't or if you do and it's
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know that today that's the right way to
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it's we need to recruit them, educate
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ultimately if people don't do the things
We just have a it's the basic HR

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approach of hey, we we've got all these
things. We've got these policies. The

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policies for the good of the order. It's
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simply because that's what the citizens
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get away from the
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» Yeah, basically. Or you know, the wind
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day and well then you're done. and it's
just it doesn't it it hurts the

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recruiting and retention part when you
know the the [clears throat] gallows is

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always sitting there. So, it's just not
not a positive environment. So, I'm

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hoping to change that. Um but I want
everybody to have the things that I'm

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operating off of to make decisions dayto
day. Um so, I'll just write it down

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after the meeting and I'll just get you
in the format you want. um SOPs and SOPs

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» if you prefer like an electronic format
like I can email it out to you if you

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want that way because I now have
uploaded all the files. So I have them

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on this. [laughter] It's just some some
easy light reading.

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» It's on It's on the city of Brian email
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» Oh yeah.
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» Yeah. The the goal is to have
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as those so that everybody has access to
them all the time. It's not like they're

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top [clears throat] secret documents.
They're just it's how we do business,

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you know. So, it's that that's
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the IT department to figure out
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» Did you get the picture I sent for
printers?

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» I did get the picture.

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» Thank you.
>> Their printers suck.

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» Well,
>> yeah, my printer doesn't work.

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» Where's your printer?
>> It doesn't work. Doesn't work at all.

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We'll fix your pictures tomorrow.
Was fixing pictures all afternoon.

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» You want to go back to the treasur
report if you're finished with

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» Can I ask a question?
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» Um the fire inspection. Are you are you
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going to do it?
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» okay,
>> I'd like to suggest a solution.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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Yes, we thought a lot about it.
>> We want to do the treasures report and

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the August finance reports.

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pretty much everything

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um is the same as it usually is for the
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bills. Um
the only thing that's like um

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a new radio had to be put in the command
van. Um when we paid 25% of what the

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city paid 75%, we paid 25%. So um but
the radio that was in there, you

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couldn't pick up the mic because it
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hear and stuff. So it had to be it had
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So, um I think does anybody have any
questions

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that I can answer?
>> Did you um were you able to build the

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municipalities for the
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» tomorrow's job.
>> Maybe maybe mention it to the

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municipalities.
So when um I was going through the

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financials, I noticed that um [snorts]
all three municipalities weren't paid

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» missed one person.
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happened what I could come up with is
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it was build out um as the amount of
last year's because when I add up the

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amount it comes up to what
[clears throat] you guys paid last year

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in 2025
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so yeah so it's I off the top of my head
I can't give you the amounts each person

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owes
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most yeah probably close to 3,000.
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» that's the line here. It's down by 3,95.
>> So, so um so those bills will be going

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out to bring that up and then the 2%
dues bills will be going out

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down here for expenses, our operating

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supply and small equipment. Um I know
we're doing a lot more in-house and

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that's one of the main reasons, you
know, we're maintaining things, we're

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fixing things. Uh but I was just this is
kind of more to the board. would we want

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to see uh and I may be recommending
right I'm recommending that we try and

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break that out maybe into a little bit
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» when you get the budget you'll see that
it's broken out

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» there's there's sub accounts for it
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» all right
>> yep

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» that makes sense I just um
>> pretty much every single one of these

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I asked the same.

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» Okay,
>> sounds good.

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» That's fine.

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» Are there any other questions for
feather?

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» I guess I'll just ask now to send you an
email. Um, could I uh get a breakdown of

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the sub accounts with the chart of
accounts or are you able to break it up

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by period? based on like a monthly
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» monthly period. Can you
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QuickBooks.
>> QuickBooks I it comes in monthly. I can

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print you out the report.
>> Yeah, that that'd be fine.

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» So then just with all the sub accounts
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» I don't know if the sub accounts No, the
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» I should be able you should be able to
format to where it's not just

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» Well, it's not like
>> or are they actually not populate sub

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accounts,
>> right? They're not they're just line

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items. So like I said when you see the
budget then you'll understand.

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» Okay. But I guess
>> but I can I can give you the

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monthly.
>> Okay. Yep.

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» Thank you.

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» Any other questions for Heather?
If not, I'll entertain a motion to

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approve the August finance report and
accounts payable

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and treasury report.
>> I'll make that motion.

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» Thank you, Mark. Is there a second?
>> Second.

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» Thank you, David.
Any further questions?

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Hearing none. All those in favor, please
signify by saying I.

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» I.
>> I. Those opposed, same sign. Motion

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passes.
Old business.

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» Did we get any proposals in?
>> So for the insurance, we had Ryan

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from Rural Insurance come today and he
looked at the building.

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I had a sheet here. Um he came and
looked at the building today. he needs

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some more documents and then once he
gets those documents

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um he will send it to the underwriter
and then the underwriter is going to

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have to come and look at the building.
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so um he what he wants is the driver's
license of every single person that

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drives our vehicles and then he wants um
>> those should be in their file,

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» right? Yep. Um and then
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of claims.
So then once they get that then he's

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going to do his thing and then
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look at the building again and then he
can give us an estimate. I contacted

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Alyssa from Rural. she is no longer with
the company and um according to this

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person in Appleton um she said that rule
can't which doesn't make sense to me

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I'll start out that um that rule can't
give us an give us an estimate or a

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quote because they won't do anything
that has a city involved in it they only

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do municipalities
but Brian who's also from rural

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insurance says that
>> he can do it so

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so right now I work and Brian,
>> aren't cities a municipality?

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» They they want they like cuz it's rural
rural insurance. So I think it's like

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more like townships instead of cities.
>> It can't be a class.

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» We are not a metropolis.
>> I [laughter] know. But so I don't

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» but so like the other guy from rural
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like I I'll keep working with Brian. And
then um I've got one other one out

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there. He's still um working on getting
me a quote and then I'll get the one

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from Drew Dri.
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» can we get anything for an attorney?
>> Um the attorneys, they sent it out to

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eight different attorneys and one person
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And I have not heard from anybody
[laughter] else. So, I will try and find

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someone to send it to.
>> Were we able to post on the leave? Have

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you or did they say no? No, because I
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and I have to be some kind of a member
of some kind of bar yada yada and I'm

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like, "Okay, that's
>> the city is my members. That should

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count."
>> So, but yeah,

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» maybe we can get married and post it.
>> We can see. Yeah.

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» Yeah.
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» Any other questions?

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» Okay. The big one draft budget.
>> Okay.

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» The whole thing.

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» There we go.

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I printed two extra just in case.

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What is our interest income currently?

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» 2,689.
>> Oh. Oh, there we go. Okay. [laughter]

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Put my glasses back.
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I was being hopeful for next year too.
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» Any anybody want to start? Give us the
high points about what you're what

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you're recommending. the the high
points.

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» Yeah.
>> Uh so

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in totality

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we are asking for a 3.54% increase over
what we had last year to the budget.

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um with the with the backstory or the
back history that for the past three or

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four years we have been at 1%
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» four years
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and I I I don't disagree with the
methodology there it does it does put us

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in a shortfall because [clears throat]
of the way [snorts] things would have

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compounded but the need to protect the
district and the the people who live in

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it based on past events outweighs the
need for us to have a little bit more

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money in our budget. So that moving
forward there there are things that we

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need to address that we haven't
addressed as a district in a while. Um,

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the one thing I noticed, and this is
this is 8 weeks in in kind of looking at

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the budget, tearing it apart, trying to
to figure out where we can go, where we

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need to be, is that at one time there
was there was a transfer of money that

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enabled
daytime firefighters.

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» And that was from the or bribal money.

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That was from the or or bribogal money
that happened before I came on board,

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but I think it was applied that there
was a a dollar amount applied from that

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to operations. That's that's how the
accounting works.

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» So the with with that accounting, the
one thing that we built in at that time

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was a structural deficit.
We've been working against that deficit

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since then. Um, and and that's not a it
work I mean having a deficit isn't the

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most awesome thing in the world, but
having daytime fire protection in the

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context that we have people in the city
that can respond to the calls that we

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need them to is a benefit. So, a lot of
things or some of the things we did in

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the budget were to start to address
those shortfalls and to to ensure that

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we have reliable daytime fire protection
and then grow the paint on call rank.

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So, that's the backstory is one, we're
working against what was about an

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$86,000 a year structural deficit. Um,
one of the ways we did that was with a

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fund balance and that was taking money
that we had and paying the remainder of

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the the un the the unfunded
portions of the budget.

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There's a point at which we we just
can't spend all the money. We need to

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have money for capital projects. We need
to have money for vehicles. We need to

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have money for the things that come up.
And if we spend that account down to

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zero, then then we're at a real kitchen
table budget where if we don't have

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money for the car payment, we don't have
the car. Um, and so we don't want to be

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there. [snorts] So, we're trying to be
proactive this year. Um, raise our ask a

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little bit in terms of of what it is and
then work on the structure of how we

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deliver service to make that
less and less going forward. So each

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year the goal is to to to do that. Um
on the main sheet, one of the ways

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you'll see that that's done is
we with some of the money that we've

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asked for, we're using less than the
fund balance. So we went from 47 267

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annually to 40,000 and then use some of
the rest of the money to to spread out

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for for building. So, do you want to go
line by line? Is just down the down the

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big sheet or is it
>> What is your pleasure?

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» What would you like him to do? Do you
want him to go line by line?

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» I'll give you the I'll give you the the
low points. Most of the stuff stayed

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about the same.
There were some things that we lessened

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because we weren't spending them in in
our future projections like the the

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longevity pay that went down because
when you do the math, we're not going to

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be paying out longevity because we just
don't have a ton of people that have

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longevity.
>> I have a question though about

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operations by small equipment. We were
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uh
what the heck we're at 70,000.

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That's what we Is that what we spent?
Um it's 10220053400.

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» We have in the the other report right
now actual at 53,690

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budgeted at $70,000.
>> So

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» it was budgeted at
>> Yeah, it's it's it's budgeted that much

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because we had some large donations.
>> We had the 36,000 in there from the two

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donations that we used. You guys used
you put in

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» Oh, for for radios. Yeah, radios and
turn.

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» So, that's why it was so much.
>> So, it's been reduced to almost half.

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» Yeah, cuz we took the 36,000 back out.

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Um,
the answer to the fire inspector

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question is
going forward.

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What we would like to ask is that we
have dayshift staffing of me, Heather,

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and two full-time 40hour week
firefighters

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that are able to staff a vehicle here,
provide the inspection services, and do

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the things that need to be done
um with a guarantee that we have the

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right people on the vehicle at all times
so that their credentials match being

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able to drive being able to pump.
>> Do you want four full-time people?

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» One day shift.
>> No.

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» The two of us.
>> Yeah.

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» And you're part time.
>> Oh, yeah. Me, I'm part time. So,

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[laughter]
>> sorry.

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» So, Heather.
>> Yeah.

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» And two.
>> Two full-time people.

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» Two. Yes.
>> So, that would So, when they get a call

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that those three would go out,
>> the they have the ability to leave as

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three.
>> Okay. they also have the ability to

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leave is too.
>> Um, right now what what the the issue is

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we have a we have a group of young
people that are doing an excellent job

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in learning and learning the fire
department craft. There are days where

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some of them can't drive and pump with
the larger vehicles. We have to have

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them on a smaller vehicle. Well, does
that equate to successful fire

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protection on Tuesday? [clears throat]
I no I need I need to get people that

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can manage the equipment. The paid on
call people are paged back. We run the

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rest of the the crews out. The initial
crews are solving the problem. And so

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the our our current paid on premise
people are doing the best that they can.

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Some and some of them fit all bills. The
problem is we run up against a 1,200

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hour a year ceiling because all the
vendity employees, more regular

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employees that we have benefits of WRS
and there are other things that are

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leveraged against us
with the firefighter inspector leaving.

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That opens one position. So we're asking
for a second. We're asking for one more

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because we we had one.
So, so but you can make up for that with

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how your schedule what we're paying
right now for [snorts]

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» so we daily people.
>> The the idea is that we currently had

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last year had a line item of $86,000 for
our paid on premise which was

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written down three a day. The the
$86,000 does not cover three people a

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day to be here for 10 hours a day. Um,
so that line goes to 25 and basically we

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have a few extras that come in Mondays
and Fridays um to support. So what we

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want is tens.
So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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one of the one of the full-time
employees is on that Friday. When

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they're off, there's a a part-time that
fills in for them. And then the second

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one works Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday and has a part-timer. So we we

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spend less money, we get more robust
protection, and we have people that can

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operate the equipment and are able to
provide the thing that we really need

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for a majority of the time. Um, and
that's just

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that's the solution that we've we've
come up with right now. Um

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the firefighter inspector had been
spending a lot of time with the day crew

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and
that was a third person that was now

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tied to the vehicles. So instead of
having two, we had three and the money

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that we were spending on that person
going out and doing the things they were

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supposed to was getting washed into the
the day the paid on premise people's

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time as well.
At the end of the day, [snorts] we spend

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a little less.
We have more permanent protection

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that allows for us to be more responsive
to the community. If a carbon monoxide

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call, running two people out on the
engine is absolutely appropriate. Having

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two people that are full-time employees
that we know can do the job makes far

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more sense than having Heather have to
jump up on the raid and leave while

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she's in the middle of doing the budget
or somebody else coming in. We can solve

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that problem with those two employees.
>> Can two people help with lift assists?

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» Two two people depending on the person.
Um, but it they can I think there's

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still a discussion that goes there
because that's still that's still salary

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that we're contributing to
>> and we're not getting any sort of

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compensation or or quid proquo for it.
>> Well, we don't we [clears throat] don't

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really have anything that we can ask in
return,

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» right?
>> So, that's that's thing we as a

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non-transporting
as a non-EMS agency and one that doesn't

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transport, we can't bill for anything,
>> right? So the the recovery of cost has

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to come from the service.
So that that's a whole different

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discussion, but they they can absolutely
do that and they can absolutely do that

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the two of them versus having a page
that brings four more people down and

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then leverages another $40.
>> So with two people, one can drive and

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then one could,
you know, go along with them. We just

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take one vehicle.
>> They Yes.

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The the idea is that they are with the
vehicle that they're staffing for their

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entire shift. When they go somewhere,
the vehicle goes with them. They're

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available for calls for service
regardless of where they are, what

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they're doing. They could be inspecting.
And they have might have to say, "Excuse

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me. I apologize. I'll be back later."
And and off they go. So they they have

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the the immediate response capability is
is with them. Can they put out a

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structure fire? They need more help,
but they have the tools and the

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equipment to have the right vehicle on
scene at the right time in a in short

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order and be able to start that process.
>> I I have another question because I'm

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not a firefighter. So, would that be the
time

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» accepting applications? [laughter]
>> I don't think you want. Um,

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» we're looking to to improve the
readiness.

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» Yeah, that improve the
So, would that be a time when we would

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call out paid on call or would we call
for mutual aid

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» for structure
>> for structure fire

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» or both?
>> Would we do both?

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» It's it's both. It's it's one of those
where uh an actual structure fire takes

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a minimumish of 14 to 17 people to fight
effectively and safely. There there

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isn't a department that they get to
Oshkosh in the area that fits the bill.

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So we if there is an actual structured
fire, we will always rely on our

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neighbors and we have been since Ron
Fader started in 1972. It's just one of

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those things where none of us has the
ability or the tax dollars to afford a

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service like that. So we're we will
always ask Green Lake, we will always

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ask Brandon, we will always ask Berlin.
Okay?

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» And and
they will do the same thing. And so

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that's the goal is to be able to have
that that mutual relationship.

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There were times in the past where we
were going to fondac

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not necessarily
great risk exposure driving 30 and 40

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miles to places
fires are normally over then

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in most contexts unless you're really
going to do something. Um, so the the

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idea isn't to leverage that upon fondax
tax payers, but it's it we have to share

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resources. Um, so you know, it's usually
and this is three engine companies, a

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truck company, and somebody that's in
charge is usually where we start. So you

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would see Ripen Brandon Berlin or or
Green Lake Brooklyn and then somebody

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with a truck maybe a Marazan Grant River
fire to to get the staffing that we have

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our command staff in place that that run
it. So um but two people on the vehicle

418
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:02,799
can definitely show up, pull a line,
have it at pump, have everything prepped

419
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:09,679
and put water on fire that they can see
and buy everybody else time. So that the

420
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:15,599
the gold standard is be there within
about 3 minutes and start the activities

421
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:20,960
so you start to to prevent loss of life
and you start to to lessen the property

422
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:25,679
damage. So the what we're hoping to do
is have that

423
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:30,879
5 days a week, 10 hours a day, and
that's when the the paid on call members

424
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:34,960
aren't in town. It's literally there.
They're just not here. There there's a

425
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,200
couple, but
We don't have enough currently with this

426
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:45,599
the the size of the department. We don't
have enough to reliably provide that

427
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:52,320
with the two. We do because we're adding
twos and threes to get our share of what

428
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:59,119
it takes to fight the fire. Um
so that ultimately we're we hoped that

429
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:04,320
the model brings down the cost of fire
protection a little bit. It helps us

430
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:13,920
address that that that
uh structural deficit and it provides

431
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:20,079
better service that we we have today. Um
that's the goal. Um ultimately

432
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:26,400
any budget cycle I mean we need to get
that structural deficit to zero. So

433
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,839
that's next year's project is to get it
literally it's just it's doing math and

434
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,680
it's figuring out service levels and
it's cost per capita and it's how can we

435
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,320
leverage relationships and it's all of
the things.

436
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,040
» It takes a couple years to get rid of a
structural deficit.

437
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:44,079
» It does. Yep. And that's I
again it's not the most awesome thing in

438
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:51,520
the world. I'm not going to ask for that
for Christmas, but it's something that

439
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:55,320
it exists and we unfortunately we just
don't have a way to leverage debt.

440
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,440
» Okay, corporations have a way to
leverage debt and we just don't have a

441
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,920
way to do that. So, we just do the
things we do and ultimately this group

442
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,599
decides
the service levels, the the dollars we

443
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,320
have to spend and then we just we go and
do good things with that.

444
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:19,960
Um, put my glasses back on so I can
actually see the rest of this.

445
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Um,

446
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:31,359
the the call pay stays the same. The
numbers for additional employees that

447
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,520
would be in health, life, social
security, retirement are added into

448
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,520
those lines.

449
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:44,000
We have physicals for firefighters.
That's it's not as common in the in the

450
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:47,119
pain on call world um as it should be.
But the things that firefighters are

451
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,119
exposed to over the course of their
career. The the instances of cancer and

452
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:54,800
heart disease are way higher. So it's
good for us to have a baseline so that

453
00:36:52,720 --> 00:37:00,240
we know where the people are and we can
track that. Um fit testing that's

454
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:07,280
mandatory. Computers that those are
mandatory. U

455
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,680
we we pay for power and light.
I was going to ask one thing under that

456
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:16,240
one. Yes sir.
>> For the accounting software is the we

457
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,480
use QuickBooks. Does that include any
other software or is it just QuickBooks?

458
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,599
» It's just QuickBooks.
>> And is it because we run do we run

459
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:31,680
payroll through QuickBooks?
>> And we also um in an effort to

460
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:38,160
make sure there was more eyes on it, CLA
does review what we do quarterly. So we

461
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:44,599
do have someone looking to make sure the
accounting is correct.

462
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:44,599
» So we do pay a little bit more for it.

463
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:57,040
» General the same servicing. So the the
the annual equipment services if that's

464
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:02,880
an NFP requirement
compressors the SCBAs

465
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:07,599
u the flow testing as and that goes into
the pit testing with the masks. The one

466
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:13,040
thing that just as a as a sidelight to
that is in the coming years we're going

467
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:17,839
to ask start applying for and we have
your support with uh assistance of

468
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:22,640
firefighter grants, AFG grants because
SCPAs have a a life expectancy of 10

469
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,200
years.
It's mandated. They're done after 10

470
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:31,760
years. Um we're at five years. So what
we want to do is make sure that we go

471
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,680
out to the grant cycle and hopefully we
can get that covered with the grant

472
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:40,000
cycle and so we have multiple shots at
the grants before we have to come before

473
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:44,320
you and say ah we kind of got some of it
or and report that hey there may be

474
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:48,000
another hole or another ask but we want
to make sure that we're out proactively

475
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:53,040
finding the money for the district
rather than just saying please give us a

476
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:58,800
little bit more
um

477
00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:01,440
repair maintenance. Uh, this is where we
added 10

478
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:09,200
» the buildings and grounds.
>> So, the buildings and grounds,

479
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:15,680
there have not been many TLC projects
where we put money into the building. um

480
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:21,599
10,000 on a undeferred maintenance that
we have isn't going to solve all the

481
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:26,079
problems, but we want to start
addressing some of the things that are

482
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:31,760
right on the surface. So, we're able to
have some money to be able to to take

483
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:36,720
care of the building. Ultimately,
um we do go to meetings and firehouses

484
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:41,680
that are coming down around our ears and
that's just where they live. Um, and it

485
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:45,359
it there are municipalities, very large
municipalities that have their buildings

486
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:49,280
held up with wood even though they're
concrete buildings because that's just

487
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,200
how they keep them standing. We don't
want to end up in that spot. Um, being

488
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:59,200
good stewards of the the building and
the grounds is just we're going to chip

489
00:39:55,839 --> 00:40:06,400
away at it. Um,
training remains relatively the same.

490
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:11,040
uh we took some of the other conference
money and reallocated. So you'll see

491
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:14,720
firefighter education conference. So
that's the fire department instructor's

492
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:19,440
conference in Indianapolis.
Um the

493
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:24,160
being able to fund members to be there.
Um it's it's a gathering. It's where

494
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,000
people sell fire trucks and all sorts
have all sorts of things. The the bonus

495
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:32,880
to that and benefit to that is they have
hands-on training classes. They have a

496
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:36,560
ton of education that goes with and they
they have the subject matter experts

497
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,800
from all over the country and the world
and they're in one spot in Indianapolis.

498
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:46,320
It's a [clears throat]
$1,300 isn't nothing, but it's a real

499
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:51,680
cheap way to get our people there and in
touch with the experts. So, it's the

500
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:55,040
goal was to take some of the the kind of
ancillary smaller things that we were

501
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,200
spending money on and say, "Hey, bang
for the buck. Let's do it correctly and

502
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:03,599
then get the people to where they need
to be.

503
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:11,200
Office supplies are office supplies.
Printers are awesome. Uh

504
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:18,960
we're looking uh there's money in for
computer replacement. Uh ultimately uh

505
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:25,520
I'm going to angle for grant grants
around the community um for

506
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:30,240
some form of MDC mobile data computer
mobile data terminal in the vehicles

507
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:36,160
because that will give us granular
feedback on time out the door time to

508
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:41,280
calls. Um the only way we can measure
our success is if we have the data that

509
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:46,000
supports it. So being able to have that
in the in the lap or in the seat with

510
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:51,040
the the responders is the way we get
that data. We can't we can't pull it

511
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,240
from comm center recordings and it's
just they don't have the time and they

512
00:41:52,480 --> 00:42:00,400
they're not super interested in making
us mix tapes of what we're talking about

513
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:06,000
on the radio.
um

514
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:09,720
all the things that we are members of.
I think the

515
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:20,880
FPA link went up a little bit. The
WSFA went up a little bit.

516
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Not those are memberships that that we
need that that keeps us current. That

517
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,640
keeps us with other agencies. So,
Fondlac, Winnebago, Green Lake, that

518
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:32,880
that's all the fire chiefs, that's all
the firefighters that we plug and play

519
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:39,160
in three counties very easily and Dodge
is a is a fourth. Um, so we need to

520
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,160
maintain those relationships.

521
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:45,359
Passport, so gas monitors, those are
critical for firefighters and what's

522
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:49,200
around them.
Uh,

523
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:54,800
the port
portable portable rescue, the radios,

524
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:59,760
and the airbags. We're not seeking those
this time around. Turnout gear um as a

525
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:06,160
line item we are. We will have new
members including the chief who needs

526
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:12,960
turnout gear. So we're doing that. Um
the other thing is the NFPA turnout gear

527
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:17,599
has a 10ear life expectancy as well. I I
don't know about the gear because we

528
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:22,960
have multiple types of gear here. Um
many of the for the older sets of gear

529
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:25,680
manufactured with TOS in them. So we're
worried about firefighting home that

530
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:31,920
[snorts] has POS. We're actually just
putting on gear because POS is integral

531
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:35,280
to manufacturing a lot of things. So if
we have the option to not have that just

532
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:41,920
in the things we're putting on all the
time, we'd like to go to hoses regular

533
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,240
replacement. Uh
the radios, we'll we'll continue to talk

534
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:50,400
about radios. That's another AFG or
similar grant item that you know radios

535
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,040
and pagers going to all digital is that
that's the way the countyy's headed.

536
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,280
That's the way some of the fire
departments and police agencies are.

537
00:43:54,720 --> 00:44:01,200
» You have some miniature pagers that you
found or weren't using and are those

538
00:44:00,335 --> 00:44:05,599
[clears throat]
>> No, they're they're the miniature six.

539
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:10,319
So, they're still
>> they're still VHF. That's the We thought

540
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:16,200
we had some radios that may have been
dual band. They are not, unfortunately.

541
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:30,319
General small
the insurance um that went up a little

542
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:37,400
bit. That may change. What I I ask Drew
to look at and and with the other

543
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,400
insurance companies is um

544
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:44,079
» words online basically on
>> cyber

545
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:48,960
» cyber protection. We do data that goes
in and out. Um we are reporting on

546
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:53,920
national platforms. on the outside,
we're not taking credit cards, so we

547
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,839
don't we're not keeping PII that's
being transmitted. So that's that's one

548
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:04,240
less thing that we have to worry about.
But um from the standpoint that if we

549
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:09,760
suffer an attack
um the

550
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:14,480
was it the Green Bay Hospital Network,
that was a $95 million hit. The city of

551
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:18,400
Oshkosh took a multi-million dollar hit
and all that was was an open attachment

552
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:23,200
in an email and it happened in the fire
department. Oops. But it's one of those

553
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:27,200
where it's getting more sophisticated
having our us be protected against a

554
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:31,760
large capital outlay for something like
an Oops. I think the money up front's

555
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,720
probably probably worth it. Drew was
going to get back to us on that

556
00:45:36,621 --> 00:45:41,599
[snorts]
but then

557
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,760
that's it.
I'm near the end. I feel like we're

558
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,200
close.
>> The wind policy um went up $700

559
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,200
about
>> 700

560
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:58,040
and he
>> so

561
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:06,599
questions
>> hopefully questions like this.

562
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,680
» So this would then change the of
organization.

563
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,400
» Correct.
>> It would change the table of

564
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,800
organization. Uh
>> yes.

565
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:27,599
» I just want to have everybody be clear
about that.

566
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:32,240
» The the one the one thing that there
Okay, this is from me.

567
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:36,880
The one thing if I was sitting in a
board member seat and you said, "Hey,

568
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:41,440
you needed a full-time fire inspector."
>> Who does that now?

569
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:46,880
I get it.
>> Yeah. Well, that that's and that's the

570
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:52,240
real answer is we have code sets. We
have an understanding. I I've done it

571
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:55,760
for years and as a member of an NFPA
committee, I understand the process.

572
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:59,520
It's incumbent upon the fire chief to
train the people to do the things that

573
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:04,319
they need to do. We're not doing
building plan review. We're not stamping

574
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:08,240
drawings approved. We're not signing off
on systems.

575
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:12,560
We're witnessing their testing. We're
making they operate,

576
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,640
but it's a maintenance inspection so
that we're not putting ourselves at risk

577
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,359
of having somebody build a building.
Marman house gets built and all of a

578
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,680
sudden it doesn't have sprinklers and we
said, "Well, it says approved right on

579
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:28,800
the plan. Fire department weigh in."
Yeah, but we we kind of missed that.

580
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Well, you had your shot. So, we're not
we're not exposing oursel that way. And

581
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:37,599
fire departments do have plan reviewers
that are professional engineers. That's

582
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:42,400
not what we do. We make sure that
buildings are safe to occupy in the in

583
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:47,440
the townships in the city that we cover
and and that's what that's what we do

584
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:53,359
using a very specific set of codes. So
that's one of the [clears throat] the

585
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:59,680
things is and the the good thing about
it is you have two people. I I'm a firm

586
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:04,079
believer in kind of two deep when when
we're acting in this capacity because

587
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:07,359
the he said she said potential and I've
had it happen to me. You know what? You

588
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:11,920
were you were doing the fire inspection.
You told me I could.

589
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:16,319
Well, I didn't and it's not written down
and we've documented all the things, but

590
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:22,880
the it's easier not to have the
conversation. So, having the having that

591
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:27,599
that backup is is a in my mind is a good
way to do business. Hey,

592
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,240
we shouldn't hire another full-time
employee just so we have a friend that

593
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,960
goes fire inspecting. But the idea is
that it's a benefit of having that

594
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,023
second person
>> and those people can still do the hose

595
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:44,800
testing and all that other happy stuff.
[snorts]

596
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:48,480
» So they do those people do the things
>> the things. Yeah.

597
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:52,640
» Um Heather does her things, I do my
things and they have vehicle checks,

598
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:59,280
they have host testing, they do the
SCBA. So when and the idea is that that

599
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:05,440
the other bonus is when the paid on call
people come in to train, we train

600
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:09,040
other other volunteer and other paid on
call departments when they come in at

601
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:13,599
least one meeting night is we got to
check the SCBAs, we've got to start the

602
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:19,119
vehicles, we got to go get fuel. So we
have two nights,

603
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:24,319
three hours max,
you know, twice twice each month. So 24

604
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:29,839
opportunities
to to get training in the hands of the

605
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:34,079
volunteer fire service. ISO says that
196 hours is a benchmark for a

606
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:38,000
firefighter.
That doesn't even come close to math,

607
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:43,599
let alone hazmat company officer stuff,
driver stuff. So for us to be able to

608
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:47,599
leverage that to have quality
firefighters on the paid on call side

609
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,200
that aren't coming in and doing, I hate
to say it, chores, doing the you know,

610
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:56,319
turn the SCB on, turn it off. those
things are done. We we have people that

611
00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:01,280
do those and
the goal is also to have them

612
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:06,400
more involved on the paid on call
training side where those people are

613
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,800
face to face. So if I have somebody
that's doing all the checks and I never

614
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,640
see them, how do I trust them? I just I
don't know that person. Oh, these people

615
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:20,640
are available all the time. How did you
do that? Show me how this let me see

616
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:25,200
that. And it's not necessarily a gotcha,
but it's oh, I've got confidence that

617
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:31,040
that you people are doing the things
that that we rely on you to do because

618
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:36,640
an SCBA that doesn't work. Yeah, that's
catastrophic or hoses that aren't in

619
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:40,559
good service, that can be catastrophic.
So, they take care of the things that

620
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:44,160
keep everybody well. And so, [snorts]
that's a that's a bonus. They Yes, they

621
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:50,319
can do anything. It doesn't take a
certified person to do. So ladder

622
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:54,319
testing probably out just simply because
that's a that's a no kidding real

623
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,119
engineer. Not you don't have to be an
engineer, but there's there's definite

624
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:03,119
math. There's definite things we don't
know that go with that host testing. You

625
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:06,079
you pump it up to 400 lb and you wait.
You make a few marks and then you you

626
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:11,200
write stuff down. The things that don't
work you get rid of and the things that

627
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:16,640
do work you put back on the vehicle. So
yeah, if

628
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:22,480
we think it will be of benefit to the
department of the communities,

629
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,280
if it doesn't work, I will sit here next
year and say, "Hey, guess what? I'm

630
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,720
going to try now." And [snorts]
hopefully it's less money and more

631
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:33,520
effective. Um, but it's it's one of
those things where in eight weeks

632
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:37,520
there's only so many things to see. But
the things that

633
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,599
have troubled me that I bother Heather
with all the time are

634
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:46,559
I want consistent coverage. That's what
the community expects [snorts] and we

635
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:50,240
want to be fiscally responsible.
Okay, go. Those are the two big rocks.

636
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:54,880
How do we get there in all of these line
items, all responsibilities? So, I hope

637
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:59,920
that's
I hope the explanation is

638
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:03,240
clear enough to make that something that
we can do.

639
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:14,720
» Any questions or suggested changes?
Otherwise, we'll we can do our budget

640
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:19,640
hearing in October. And I promise I
won't forget to put it on the agenda.

641
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:28,000
» So, just go ahead.
>> Okay.

642
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,760
» Thank you.
>> You're very welcome.

643
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,599
» Thank you.
>> Your budget transfer form.

644
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:40,839
» So,
this is a printed rendering of

645
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,839
We'll send

646
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:59,920
this by earlier. Um, this is a printed
rendering of an Excel sheet. So, it's

647
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:05,280
got the items on it. It It doesn't look
as cool as it does on the actual

648
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:10,880
computer. Um but what it does is it it's
basically it takes somebody who wants to

649
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:15,520
move money which is Heather I through
the process of doing the audit that says

650
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,880
what what money do I have what where do
I want to move it how do I want to move

651
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:23,440
it and then I have to write down the
justification and then I have to

652
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:28,240
actually believe it and then we have
four layers of people that sign off on

653
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:32,559
it that say yes we had the money yes we
concur that it's a good idea and and it

654
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:39,200
tracks that through its life cycle So
that um we don't just have we had 10

655
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,040
over here, but now we've got seven
because we had to move three over here.

656
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:47,520
Well, maybe we did, but we've got a
definitive reason why. And we we've got

657
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:52,240
documentation that goes with it. So, I
appreciate that we wanted one of those.

658
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:56,319
Um, and it's
if for some don't like the form, we'll

659
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:01,680
just we'll make a different form. But I
I think I hope we captured the things

660
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:06,079
that that we were looking for there.
>> The auditors will be delighted.

661
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:10,480
» Yeah, I thought I thought this form was
definitely like probably more than

662
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:15,280
enough. Um, but it accomplishes exactly
what we want. I mean, the main rationale

663
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:20,000
is we're dealing with other people's
money or tax dollars um and donations

664
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,359
that come in. So, we should document
when we are making those changes. I

665
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:28,319
don't think there's been like any issues
been on the board of it, but I was like,

666
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:32,800
we're going to make these budget
adjustments. Let's sign off on them and

667
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:37,040
have a record of it. So, when auditors
do come around or if someone's like,

668
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:40,880
"Hey, you guys budgeted 30,000 on this
item, but now you have 20 there and you

669
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:45,440
put the other 10,000 here. Why did you
do that?" We have it right here. So, no,

670
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:49,200
I appreciate you putting this together
and pulling together actually quite

671
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:55,800
quick. I think he said to me like a week
after I asked.

672
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:55,800
» Oh, one thing I didn't forget.

673
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:05,680
» Um, are there any further questions? I
think it's it's very helpful.

674
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:10,079
If there aren't any, I'll entertain a
motion to approve this budget transfer.

675
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:14,160
» I'll move to approve the budget transfer
form.

676
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:17,680
» I'll second it. I'll second it.
>> You've got it first. I do. Sorry.

677
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:22,559
» Got to be quicker.
>> Yeah. Throw things.

678
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,319
» Any further discussion?
>> Hearing none. All those in favor, please

679
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,160
signify by saying I.
>> I.

680
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:36,880
» Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes.
Okay. Discussion of equipment. Chief had

681
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,720
wanted to talk a little bit about our
meet.

682
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:48,480
» I
Yes. Um, I think my first meeting five

683
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:52,799
minutes into my tenure, uh, James Cooper
handed out a

684
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:58,000
» an accounting of what it cost to
maintain fleet. Um,

685
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:03,760
and
with engine 11 being purchased,

686
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:08,480
most of the things I'll speak
specifically to Squad 18, which is it's

687
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:12,880
basically a toolbox on wheels, roll up
doors, two people sit, and it goes to to

688
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:16,400
calls. We use it for rescues, we use it
for education.

689
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:22,799
That those were the tools that it had on
it. Engine 11 has all of those things.

690
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:29,040
» Does Engine 11 have like everything?
Engine 11 has most of of all of the

691
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:32,319
things the so what the the department
and this isn't a me thing the department

692
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:37,200
has done a good job of making the
engines very [clears throat] very

693
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,119
similar so we have firefighting
equipment we have some rescue equipment

694
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:47,599
we have extrication equipment and they
reside on multiple vehicles we've we've

695
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:51,520
kept the department has kept those
things in good working order so we have

696
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:56,000
purse jaws of life equipment that works
incredibly ly well that we're able to

697
00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:03,599
have on multiple vehicles. So we have
depth. Um most departments don't have

698
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:08,880
depth. So engine 11 has the newest of
the the jaws of light, the stabilization

699
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:13,920
equipment because you've seen it. It's
it's large. the Pierce engineers have

700
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,920
designed it so it holds
it can actually hold more than it's it's

701
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:23,920
rated to simply because the space
exists. Uh

702
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:31,040
with with that
um maintaining vehicles that we don't

703
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:36,079
use on a regular basis
doesn't seem to be a good use of money.

704
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:42,000
um
in a in Appleton we're asking for a

705
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:45,920
rescue. It's the same toolbox on wheels
because we want to do something

706
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:52,920
different. It's a hard justification to
have the something else because

707
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,920
so at

708
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:05,680
we would like to recommend or we would
like the ability to entertain selling

709
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:10,720
the squad squad 18. Um,
the bonus is it's the 2007.

710
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:17,599
It doesn't have a ton of wear and tear
on it, and you can actually get

711
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:22,960
a decent dollar for it. Um, when you
start to get to a a 25 or a 30-year life

712
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:29,559
expectancy on a vehicle, the dollar that
you get is just about scrap

713
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,559
and

714
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,880
we will have had to have maintained it.
So,

715
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:40,440
the tires, the oil changes, the
everything else in order basically to

716
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,440
keep it in the market.

717
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:50,559
So that
we don't have the number of people that

718
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:56,960
we would need to even take it out. Um,
and that mean we have engines that are

719
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:05,200
in the same space
um that end up costing money. Um, so

720
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:10,160
in my mind being able to rightsize the
fleet and I don't I'm not where I I

721
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:15,280
don't know where right size is yet. Um
it has a lot to do in my mind with ISO

722
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:19,359
that the fire service rating where we it
determines the protection class we have.

723
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:23,200
Um
but the the start is we have a vehicle

724
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:27,520
that doesn't have anything on it right
now and we're not intending to put

725
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:32,400
anything back on it. um we don't have
all the tools and equipment to run it to

726
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:38,520
staff or to outfit another rescue. Um
and there are people that will buy it.

727
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,520
Um so

728
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,760
disc I mean this is this is a discussion
of it's

729
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:50,720
» so squad 18 doesn't have any um like
pump capability or water. It doesn't

730
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:55,920
have any tanks on it. It's just
equipment like hard tools and power

731
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,200
equipment and hose and ladders can be on
it. But

732
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:04,160
» if you picture a Snap-on toolbox,
>> it's a Snap-On toolbox with a motor and

733
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:10,400
a steering wheel and and
there are many cases where that is the

734
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:15,839
100% the right vehicle to do the things.
When it was purchased, the intent was we

735
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:19,599
we were at a certain number of engines.
We had we needed a capability, I'm

736
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:25,920
guessing. But this is how it normally
goes. The the most economical way to to

737
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:29,440
get that capability was to do this. I
mean, you're not pump testing. You don't

738
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:33,680
have the expenditure on all the hose.
You don't have the I mean, it's a it's a

739
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:37,520
it's not a crew cab. You have two two
people. So, you're always taking

740
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:40,960
something else out with it.
Larger municipalities have rescue

741
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:45,920
companies and they ride rescues and
they're full of tools.

742
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,119
We we don't have a rescue company. We
have engine companies and we have a

743
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:55,119
truck and it depends on what we put
people on. Um

744
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:58,280
and so it's the the toolbox is empty at
this point.

745
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:06,720
So if the board is agreeable, we can put
it on um under old business at our next

746
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:10,280
meeting for further discussion and
possible action

747
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:16,079
and head body.
>> Yes.

748
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:20,720
» Yeah. I guess I' I'd like to understand,
you know, if it were to go to auction or

749
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:25,680
if there was another municipality that
was looking for something, what, you

750
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:28,480
know, kind of the what value would we
get be getting back out of it now at

751
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:33,119
this point?
>> So, that's just

752
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:36,480
» Yep. And I can I can report back on that
as to what

753
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:40,480
» other interested municipalities or what
what the the value at auction of a

754
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,640
vehicle like that
>> could be

755
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:49,599
» could be. Um what the engine lot is a
completely different the old engine is a

756
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:53,040
completely different different story. U
municipalities

757
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:59,920
many municipalities either run them till
they're dead and literally it's a towway

758
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:05,280
» or they try and they industry practice
has been to try and get the the cycle

759
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,960
down to 15 years because 15 years is
about the breakover point where the the

760
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,799
chassis is good enough. The pump still
pump tests on the engine side. The

761
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:17,680
ladder will still will still pass its
inspections and it's of value.

762
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:22,960
Otherwise, you're you're selling
something that is

763
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,760
just not
it's something that somebody else is

764
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:31,680
going to either love and invest a ton of
money in or rehab and rebuild and and

765
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:36,160
spend the money to do that. So I I can
come back to the prices, auction prices,

766
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:42,160
just you know, sale prices and then look
on Wisconsin surplus which is where some

767
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:45,520
of the the vehicles go and just give a
ballpark.

768
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:51,200
» Okay.
>> Are you going to be here tomorrow? Maybe

769
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:55,520
a little field trip up there to take a
look, see what we're looking at here.

770
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,760
» You want to come down tomorrow and look
at it?

771
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,960
» Yes. Hey, somebody will be
>> I will be here after

772
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,720
2:15 2:30. The city has a staff meeting
at one so I need to be in attendance at

773
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,119
» so 2:30
>> that staff meeting up and I will be out

774
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,160
of town in the morning because
>> I got a pretty tight schedule.

775
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:19,760
» Well, [laughter] I've heard.
>> Yes,

776
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,119
I I'm going to see if I can pencil this
in.

777
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,520
» Yep.
>> Thank you.

778
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,960
» Absolutely. [snorts]
Yeah. And I

779
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,799
anytime anybody wants to come down, let
me know and I can show you. I mean for

780
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:36,799
me saying engines and trucks and rescues
and squads and is just it's 30 some odd

781
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:40,400
years of just talking like that where
>> the idea that an engine company does has

782
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,079
specific functions and a truck company
has specific functions.

783
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:49,039
» Sometimes people are like yeah but
they're all trucks so

784
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:53,104
» not really. But, you know, I'm not an
electrician, so I think all the wires do

785
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:56,160
the same thing, which apparently,
[laughter]

786
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:02,440
which is why I'm still scared of
electricity.

787
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,440
» I'm scared of electricity, too.

788
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:09,280
» All these things for
>> Okay, I'll I'll put it on the agenda for

789
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:14,079
next month for us to discuss and take
possible action. The next item is

790
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:19,760
schedule the public hearing. Typically
we do that at 6:45

791
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:25,280
before the meeting. That we'll do it.
Okay. And then we do have to discuss a

792
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,280
retirement payout which is an action
item.

793
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:39,520
Um with um Howlet's retiring, he was hit
28 years on the department and um

794
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:45,520
there's a thing that we have where he
gets a $100 for each year he was on. So,

795
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:49,119
he would get $2,800.
Um, and that would go through his

796
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:52,559
payroll according to CLA.
>> Oh, okay.

797
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:54,880
» I got that answer. So, um,
>> good to know.

798
01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:01,839
» So, yeah.
>> So, I would entertain a motion to um

799
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,839
» I'll move to do the payout for John for
$2,800.

800
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,240
» No.
>> Okay. Is there a second?

801
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:11,119
» Second.
>> Thank you. Any discussion?

802
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:15,039
Is there anybody else that's going to
retire?

803
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:21,440
» Not that I'm aware of.
>> I mean, because 2,800 that's that's all

804
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:25,039
of what we have in the budget right now.
>> No, we have 6,500 in the budget.

805
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,760
» Yeah,
>> because we do have the option of doing

806
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:31,839
it.
>> Oh, paying payments. Yeah, we have 65.

807
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:37,000
We have 6500.
>> Get it done. But what I'm saying is

808
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:37,000
there's others coming

809
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:46,319
» Well, I think Ron Feder has been here
for a while and 54 years.

810
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:51,039
» Ron would break the bank, but Ron's
anomaly and I don't think he's going.

811
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:56,640
» And Dennis Miller and
>> Howard Stimber are the three most senior

812
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:59,760
» uh serving fire
>> people. Yep.

813
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:06,960
» And they're not talking about retiring.
>> No, not yet. They have not.

814
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:12,799
» So, we have a motion by Luke and a
second by Dave.

815
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:18,000
Is there any further discussion? Because
Gary asked a good question, right? We're

816
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:21,760
almost at the end of the year, too. So,
all those in favor, uh, please signify

817
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:25,359
by saying I.
>> I.

818
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:30,880
» Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes
unanimously.

819
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:36,160
So, on the agenda for future meetings,
we have our budget meeting at 6:45. And

820
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:39,520
I would assume that Heather and the
chief will have the budget finalized for

821
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,200
us.
>> Yep. I'll be ready.

822
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:49,359
» And then um the discussion of right
sizing the fleet.

823
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:52,880
» Other than that, I'll entertain a motion
to adjurnn.

824
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:57,280
» I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll
second.

825
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,839
» Okay. Thank you. All those in favor,
please signify by saying I.

826
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:05,039
» I.
>> Those opposed, same sign.

827
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,039
» We are journed.