[0:12] Um, I'm going to pass around the calls
for service.
[0:18] [snorts]
[0:21] » Um, so future report calls for service
are going
[0:26] around.
Um I knowing that it was old business
[0:32] and knowing that it could be a sticky
issue. Um and
[0:37] onethird of our calls for August were
EMS related.
[0:42] So I just I'm not super good at math and
help but but six of 18 seems to be
[0:46] one/3. So I I'm going to talk to Mitch
at the ambulance. Um
[0:53] » were they were they like lift assists?
>> They're not calling out ambulance too.
[0:58] they are doing a variety of things. Um,
but I want to make sure that I get in
[1:03] touch with him so that I have the what
they're they're really doing what
[1:07] they're intending to do and then discuss
what that what that means to the fire
[1:13] department because when we page for
personnel and people show up, we have a
[1:19] capital outlay because we're paying
people and if we have the same people
[1:24] having ellipticist that agnostic of the
people having ithic if staffing isn't
[1:30] working I either side. We want to help,
but it's not necessarily the obligation
[1:36] of the district [snorts] and the board
to pay for something that should already
[1:41] be covered.
So, it's
[1:46] we'll have further on that after I talk
to Mitch. Um, otherwise, nothing of
[1:52] incredible note fire alarms, vehicle
accident.
[1:57] Uh
total calls for the year 202. Um
[2:03] 18 pay on call members, one junior
firefighter, nine part-time members, and
[2:07] one youth apprentice. Um so at the end
of the day, we are up 17 calls from last
[2:12] year by the at the end of August.
[2:17] I know it's a a little bit early uh in
your tenure as chief, but uh how do you
[2:23] feel about our um the number of
firefighters in the district? Um does it
[2:29] seem I know you don't necessarily want
to say, you know, you're fully staffed
[2:32] or not fully staffed because that can
really depend, but
[2:36] » Well, full fully staff's a number. We
have an authorized training. So, I mean,
[2:39] that's if you're fully staffed, then
that's that that just is a number that
[2:43] what what we have. um we need more
support on the pay on call and so that's
[2:50] I mean that that that was a day one
issue
[2:53] » um that's a day one issue for every
chief and every pay call fire department
[2:59] in the country right now so
>> researching national volunteer fire
[3:04] council in terms of statistically what
can we expect and the
[3:10] the downside is we don't have the local
businesses, the farms that could have
[3:17] employees leave on a regular basis. And
that that was that was and at some point
[3:24] still is the staple of the volunteer
fire service.
[3:28] » And that's why we'll talk about budget
later, but that's why you see growing
[3:31] pains in every fire department of our
size across the country is if if the
[3:37] staffing model changes, but we continue
to go to the well,
[3:42] » h how do we balance that? So that's
that's one of the things that's
[3:45] incumbent upon me, but more is better to
the point that we're fully staffed. I
[3:52] » that that's the goal. So ultimately,
I'm not super interested in a number.
[3:58] I'm interested in reliable fire service
24/7, 365. That's if if we can get
[4:02] vehicles out the door that have the
right people on them that can provide
[4:07] the right service, that's the goal. Um,
in most organizations you have probably
[4:14] a third to a half that are the
consistent contributors and you have the
[4:20] other half that kind of makes up the
balance and for for whatever whatever
[4:25] the reasons are. But statistically that
seems to be what's shaking out in the
[4:29] stuff I
>> think.
[4:33] Um
so donations um we have been approached
[4:37] by Alliance Laundry after they saw um or
read in the paper about the
[4:44] » Yeah. It's either people watch these
meetings or or the or the newspaper.
[4:50] » Yeah. So, one of the two and uh so
Margaret Hefernan reached out um and
[4:57] she's the the communications and
corporate giving manager reached out and
[5:02] um wants to make Alliance wants to make
a $5,000 donation that can go for
[5:07] radios. So, we have the radio that we're
going to get to on engine 11 that's been
[5:12] purchased, but we need to make those
upgrades. So the the intent behind the
[5:16] donation can be fully utilized because
we can put one in in truck 17 and it's
[5:22] going to [snorts] need it in the next
three years anyway because of the
[5:24] upgrades. So thanks to them we can get
ahead of this provided
[5:29] you will support the acceptance of the
donation.
[5:32] » I'll move to accept the donation from
launch for $5,000.
[5:39] » Second.
>> [snorts]
[5:42] » All those in favor, please signify by
saying I.
[5:45] » I.
>> Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes.
[5:51] » So, lieutenants process, we have three
candidates. We have a written test for
[5:55] them on the 3rd at 6 p.m. So, we have
three that are that are moving in the
[6:02] process. Um, and the goal is to get that
done relatively quickly. Um, so make
[6:09] sure we we get them what they need. um
have a fair and
[6:14] accurate test and we'll just continue on
with the process. Uh fire inspection
[6:19] updates. Uh our fire protection
specialist has resigned as of earlier
[6:25] this week.
Um
[6:30] » is he still a paid on call person?
>> He he is a paid on call person but has
[6:34] requested a 60-day leave of absence from
the fire department on the paid on call
[6:39] side as well.
um that was granted. That's within
[6:42] policy. So that was a said, "Sure, go
ahead." You know, um he's trying to
[6:47] figure out kind of where he wants to be
and what he wants to do. So he said kind
[6:53] of just wasn't the fit for him. Said,
"Thank you for the things you've done so
[6:57] far. We're up to date on our
inspections. We're we're above board."
[7:02] So it's, you know, it
it's just those are the things that
[7:06] happen. So,
uh
[7:10] update on new engine radio has been
ordered and we're waiting on the
[7:14] install. So, as soon as the radio comes
in,
[7:18] well, we get it put in and then we can
have the engine in service. I will see
[7:22] our rep from Neielson Communications who
we get the radios from tomorrow because
[7:27] he's dropping off other things and so I
get to bug him for when we can get that
[7:33] when they when it could get put in.
um SOG and SOP update.
[7:39] I delivered
uh all of them on a flash drive. Um
[7:45] to loop
I would like to deliver to all the board
[7:51] members in their favorite format all of
the SOPs and all the SOGS right now.
[7:56] They're what we're working off of. Um
and I'm changing them. So, what I I'd
[8:02] like to give you what we have now and
then start moving forward. One of the
[8:06] things that I noticed when I started
reading them was it's very hammerheavy.
[8:12] It's if you don't or if you do and it's
hammer and nail mentality and I don't
[8:18] know that today that's the right way to
go about working with people and it's
[8:22] it's we need to recruit them, educate
them, train them, support them and
[8:27] ultimately if people don't do the things
We just have a it's the basic HR
[8:33] approach of hey, we we've got all these
things. We've got these policies. The
[8:36] policies for the good of the order. It's
not because Rick likes it. It's it's
[8:40] simply because that's what the citizens
expect moving forward. But I'm trying to
[8:44] get away from the
>> show up, you're done.
[8:48] » Yeah, basically. Or you know, the wind
blows the wrong way and I'm cross that
[8:52] day and well then you're done. and it's
just it doesn't it it hurts the
[8:57] recruiting and retention part when you
know the the [clears throat] gallows is
[9:01] always sitting there. So, it's just not
not a positive environment. So, I'm
[9:05] hoping to change that. Um but I want
everybody to have the things that I'm
[9:09] operating off of to make decisions dayto
day. Um so, I'll just write it down
[9:14] after the meeting and I'll just get you
in the format you want. um SOPs and SOPs
[9:20] » if you prefer like an electronic format
like I can email it out to you if you
[9:24] want that way because I now have
uploaded all the files. So I have them
[9:27] on this. [laughter] It's just some some
easy light reading.
[9:32] » It's on It's on the city of Brian email
one drive.
[9:36] » Oh yeah.
>> The thumb drive.
[9:38] » Yeah. The the goal is to have
a website that can host documents such
[9:45] as those so that everybody has access to
them all the time. It's not like they're
[9:50] top [clears throat] secret documents.
They're just it's how we do business,
[9:54] you know. So, it's that that's
ultimately the goal. We're working with
[9:58] the IT department to figure out
how to how to actually
[10:04] » Did you get the picture I sent for
printers?
[10:07] » I did get the picture.
[10:12] » Thank you.
>> Their printers suck.
[10:16] » Well,
>> yeah, my printer doesn't work.
[10:18] » Where's your printer?
>> It doesn't work. Doesn't work at all.
[10:23] We'll fix your pictures tomorrow.
Was fixing pictures all afternoon.
[10:30] » You want to go back to the treasur
report if you're finished with
[10:34] » Can I ask a question?
>> I don't know. [laughter]
[10:39] » Um the fire inspection. Are you are you
looking for a replacement or how are we
[10:43] going to do it?
>> Uh when we get to the budget,
[10:46] » okay,
>> I'd like to suggest a solution.
[10:48] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[10:49] » And that's
[10:54] Yes, we thought a lot about it.
>> We want to do the treasures report and
[11:01] the August finance reports.
[11:06] Um,
pretty much everything
[11:12] um is the same as it usually is for the
the
[11:17] bills. Um
the only thing that's like um
[11:24] a new radio had to be put in the command
van. Um when we paid 25% of what the
[11:29] city paid 75%, we paid 25%. So um but
the radio that was in there, you
[11:36] couldn't pick up the mic because it
would be all static and you couldn't
[11:40] hear and stuff. So it had to be it had
to be replaced.
[11:45] So, um I think does anybody have any
questions
[11:51] that I can answer?
>> Did you um were you able to build the
[11:55] municipalities for the
>> I that's going to be tomorrow's okay
[12:00] » tomorrow's job.
>> Maybe maybe mention it to the
[12:03] municipalities.
So when um I was going through the
[12:08] financials, I noticed that um [snorts]
all three municipalities weren't paid
[12:13] weren't charged for their full amount.
Um
[12:17] » missed one person.
>> Yeah. somehow it I don't know it what
[12:22] happened what I could come up with is
that in December when it was build out
[12:26] it was build out um as the amount of
last year's because when I add up the
[12:33] amount it comes up to what
[clears throat] you guys paid last year
[12:35] in 2025
so um
[12:40] so yeah so it's I off the top of my head
I can't give you the amounts each person
[12:45] owes
>> it's Ripenos the city of Ripen owes the
[12:47] most yeah probably close to 3,000.
>> Yeah,
[12:52] » that's the line here. It's down by 3,95.
>> So, so um so those bills will be going
[13:00] out to bring that up and then the 2%
dues bills will be going out
[13:05] » um tomorrow. Also,
[13:09] » I had a question for um
down here for expenses, our operating
[13:16] supply and small equipment. Um I know
we're doing a lot more in-house and
[13:21] that's one of the main reasons, you
know, we're maintaining things, we're
[13:25] fixing things. Uh but I was just this is
kind of more to the board. would we want
[13:31] to see uh and I may be recommending
right I'm recommending that we try and
[13:36] break that out maybe into a little bit
more granular where
[13:41] » when you get the budget you'll see that
it's broken out
[13:43] » there's there's sub accounts for it
>> yes
[13:45] » all right
>> yep
[13:47] » that makes sense I just um
>> pretty much every single one of these
[13:51] has like different
I asked the same.
[13:57] » Okay,
>> sounds good.
[14:00] » That's fine.
[14:04] » Are there any other questions for
feather?
[14:07] » I guess I'll just ask now to send you an
email. Um, could I uh get a breakdown of
[14:13] the sub accounts with the chart of
accounts or are you able to break it up
[14:17] by period? based on like a monthly
period and I do a lot of
[14:22] » monthly period. Can you
>> I know you can pull that through
[14:24] QuickBooks.
>> QuickBooks I it comes in monthly. I can
[14:27] print you out the report.
>> Yeah, that that'd be fine.
[14:30] » So then just with all the sub accounts
too just I just kind of want to
[14:34] » I don't know if the sub accounts No, the
sub accounts won't come through there.
[14:38] » I should be able you should be able to
format to where it's not just
[14:42] » Well, it's not like
>> or are they actually not populate sub
[14:46] accounts,
>> right? They're not they're just line
[14:48] items. So like I said when you see the
budget then you'll understand.
[14:53] » Okay. But I guess
>> but I can I can give you the
[14:57] monthly.
>> Okay. Yep.
[14:59] » Thank you.
[15:03] » Any other questions for Heather?
If not, I'll entertain a motion to
[15:09] approve the August finance report and
accounts payable
[15:15] and treasury report.
>> I'll make that motion.
[15:20] » Thank you, Mark. Is there a second?
>> Second.
[15:24] » Thank you, David.
Any further questions?
[15:29] Hearing none. All those in favor, please
signify by saying I.
[15:33] » I.
>> I. Those opposed, same sign. Motion
[15:36] passes.
Old business.
[15:43] » Did we get any proposals in?
>> So for the insurance, we had Ryan
[15:50] from Rural Insurance come today and he
looked at the building.
[15:55] I had a sheet here. Um he came and
looked at the building today. he needs
[16:00] some more documents and then once he
gets those documents
[16:05] um he will send it to the underwriter
and then the underwriter is going to
[16:08] have to come and look at the building.
Um
[16:13] so um he what he wants is the driver's
license of every single person that
[16:18] drives our vehicles and then he wants um
>> those should be in their file,
[16:23] » right? Yep. Um and then
>> and then he wants um the last five years
[16:29] of claims.
So then once they get that then he's
[16:34] going to do his thing and then
um the underwriter will have to come
[16:38] look at the building again and then he
can give us an estimate. I contacted
[16:43] Alyssa from Rural. she is no longer with
the company and um according to this
[16:50] person in Appleton um she said that rule
can't which doesn't make sense to me
[16:55] I'll start out that um that rule can't
give us an give us an estimate or a
[17:01] quote because they won't do anything
that has a city involved in it they only
[17:05] do municipalities
but Brian who's also from rural
[17:08] insurance says that
>> he can do it so
[17:13] so right now I work and Brian,
>> aren't cities a municipality?
[17:20] » They they want they like cuz it's rural
rural insurance. So I think it's like
[17:24] more like townships instead of cities.
>> It can't be a class.
[17:28] » We are not a metropolis.
>> I [laughter] know. But so I don't
[17:33] » but so like the other guy from rural
insurance said he can do it. So So I'm
[17:37] like I I'll keep working with Brian. And
then um I've got one other one out
[17:41] there. He's still um working on getting
me a quote and then I'll get the one
[17:46] from Drew Dri.
So,
[17:50] » can we get anything for an attorney?
>> Um the attorneys, they sent it out to
[17:54] eight different attorneys and one person
wrote back and said, "I can't help you."
[17:58] And I have not heard from anybody
[laughter] else. So, I will try and find
[18:02] someone to send it to.
>> Were we able to post on the leave? Have
[18:06] you or did they say no? No, because I
looked at it
[18:13] and I have to be some kind of a member
of some kind of bar yada yada and I'm
[18:18] like, "Okay, that's
>> the city is my members. That should
[18:21] count."
>> So, but yeah,
[18:22] » maybe we can get married and post it.
>> We can see. Yeah.
[18:27] » Yeah.
[clears throat]
[18:31] » Any other questions?
[18:35] » Okay. The big one draft budget.
>> Okay.
[18:48] » The whole thing.
[18:52] » There we go.
[18:59] I printed two extra just in case.
[19:18] What is our interest income currently?
[19:24] » 2,689.
>> Oh. Oh, there we go. Okay. [laughter]
[19:28] Put my glasses back.
That's why I put it up to 2,000 because
[19:32] I was being hopeful for next year too.
[snorts]
[19:52] » Any anybody want to start? Give us the
high points about what you're what
[19:56] you're recommending. the the high
points.
[20:00] » Yeah.
>> Uh so
[20:03] in totality
[20:06] we are asking for a 3.54% increase over
what we had last year to the budget.
[20:13] um with the with the backstory or the
back history that for the past three or
[20:20] four years we have been at 1%
three
[20:25] » four years
>> four years um
[20:30] and I I I don't disagree with the
methodology there it does it does put us
[20:34] in a shortfall because [clears throat]
of the way [snorts] things would have
[20:37] compounded but the need to protect the
district and the the people who live in
[20:41] it based on past events outweighs the
need for us to have a little bit more
[20:48] money in our budget. So that moving
forward there there are things that we
[20:53] need to address that we haven't
addressed as a district in a while. Um,
[21:01] the one thing I noticed, and this is
this is 8 weeks in in kind of looking at
[21:06] the budget, tearing it apart, trying to
to figure out where we can go, where we
[21:10] need to be, is that at one time there
was there was a transfer of money that
[21:17] enabled
daytime firefighters.
[21:21] » And that was from the or bribal money.
[21:27] That was from the or or bribogal money
that happened before I came on board,
[21:33] but I think it was applied that there
was a a dollar amount applied from that
[21:38] to operations. That's that's how the
accounting works.
[21:43] » So the with with that accounting, the
one thing that we built in at that time
[21:48] was a structural deficit.
We've been working against that deficit
[21:57] since then. Um, and and that's not a it
work I mean having a deficit isn't the
[22:04] most awesome thing in the world, but
having daytime fire protection in the
[22:08] context that we have people in the city
that can respond to the calls that we
[22:11] need them to is a benefit. So, a lot of
things or some of the things we did in
[22:17] the budget were to start to address
those shortfalls and to to ensure that
[22:24] we have reliable daytime fire protection
and then grow the paint on call rank.
[22:28] So, that's the backstory is one, we're
working against what was about an
[22:34] $86,000 a year structural deficit. Um,
one of the ways we did that was with a
[22:40] fund balance and that was taking money
that we had and paying the remainder of
[22:46] the the un the the unfunded
portions of the budget.
[22:52] There's a point at which we we just
can't spend all the money. We need to
[22:56] have money for capital projects. We need
to have money for vehicles. We need to
[22:59] have money for the things that come up.
And if we spend that account down to
[23:04] zero, then then we're at a real kitchen
table budget where if we don't have
[23:08] money for the car payment, we don't have
the car. Um, and so we don't want to be
[23:12] there. [snorts] So, we're trying to be
proactive this year. Um, raise our ask a
[23:17] little bit in terms of of what it is and
then work on the structure of how we
[23:22] deliver service to make that
less and less going forward. So each
[23:29] year the goal is to to to do that. Um
on the main sheet, one of the ways
[23:35] you'll see that that's done is
we with some of the money that we've
[23:41] asked for, we're using less than the
fund balance. So we went from 47 267
[23:47] annually to 40,000 and then use some of
the rest of the money to to spread out
[23:52] for for building. So, do you want to go
line by line? Is just down the down the
[23:58] big sheet or is it
>> What is your pleasure?
[24:02] » What would you like him to do? Do you
want him to go line by line?
[24:06] » I'll give you the I'll give you the the
low points. Most of the stuff stayed
[24:10] about the same.
There were some things that we lessened
[24:13] because we weren't spending them in in
our future projections like the the
[24:17] longevity pay that went down because
when you do the math, we're not going to
[24:21] be paying out longevity because we just
don't have a ton of people that have
[24:26] longevity.
>> I have a question though about
[24:28] operations by small equipment. We were
budgeted
[24:32] uh
what the heck we're at 70,000.
[24:38] That's what we Is that what we spent?
Um it's 10220053400.
[24:50] » We have in the the other report right
now actual at 53,690
[24:57] budgeted at $70,000.
>> So
[24:59] » it was budgeted at
>> Yeah, it's it's it's budgeted that much
[25:03] because we had some large donations.
>> We had the 36,000 in there from the two
[25:08] donations that we used. You guys used
you put in
[25:12] » Oh, for for radios. Yeah, radios and
turn.
[25:15] » So, that's why it was so much.
>> So, it's been reduced to almost half.
[25:19] » Yeah, cuz we took the 36,000 back out.
[25:24] Um,
the answer to the fire inspector
[25:28] question is
going forward.
[25:33] What we would like to ask is that we
have dayshift staffing of me, Heather,
[25:39] and two full-time 40hour week
firefighters
[25:45] that are able to staff a vehicle here,
provide the inspection services, and do
[25:52] the things that need to be done
um with a guarantee that we have the
[25:57] right people on the vehicle at all times
so that their credentials match being
[26:02] able to drive being able to pump.
>> Do you want four full-time people?
[26:06] » One day shift.
>> No.
[26:10] » The two of us.
>> Yeah.
[26:11] » And you're part time.
>> Oh, yeah. Me, I'm part time. So,
[26:15] [laughter]
>> sorry.
[26:17] » So, Heather.
>> Yeah.
[26:19] » And two.
>> Two full-time people.
[26:22] » Two. Yes.
>> So, that would So, when they get a call
[26:25] that those three would go out,
>> the they have the ability to leave as
[26:29] three.
>> Okay. they also have the ability to
[26:31] leave is too.
>> Um, right now what what the the issue is
[26:36] we have a we have a group of young
people that are doing an excellent job
[26:42] in learning and learning the fire
department craft. There are days where
[26:47] some of them can't drive and pump with
the larger vehicles. We have to have
[26:50] them on a smaller vehicle. Well, does
that equate to successful fire
[26:55] protection on Tuesday? [clears throat]
I no I need I need to get people that
[27:00] can manage the equipment. The paid on
call people are paged back. We run the
[27:04] rest of the the crews out. The initial
crews are solving the problem. And so
[27:12] the our our current paid on premise
people are doing the best that they can.
[27:17] Some and some of them fit all bills. The
problem is we run up against a 1,200
[27:22] hour a year ceiling because all the
vendity employees, more regular
[27:27] employees that we have benefits of WRS
and there are other things that are
[27:31] leveraged against us
with the firefighter inspector leaving.
[27:37] That opens one position. So we're asking
for a second. We're asking for one more
[27:41] because we we had one.
So, so but you can make up for that with
[27:47] how your schedule what we're paying
right now for [snorts]
[27:51] » so we daily people.
>> The the idea is that we currently had
[27:56] last year had a line item of $86,000 for
our paid on premise which was
[28:04] written down three a day. The the
$86,000 does not cover three people a
[28:08] day to be here for 10 hours a day. Um,
so that line goes to 25 and basically we
[28:15] have a few extras that come in Mondays
and Fridays um to support. So what we
[28:22] want is tens.
So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
[28:27] one of the one of the full-time
employees is on that Friday. When
[28:33] they're off, there's a a part-time that
fills in for them. And then the second
[28:37] one works Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday and has a part-timer. So we we
[28:43] spend less money, we get more robust
protection, and we have people that can
[28:49] operate the equipment and are able to
provide the thing that we really need
[28:56] for a majority of the time. Um, and
that's just
[29:01] that's the solution that we've we've
come up with right now. Um
[29:06] the firefighter inspector had been
spending a lot of time with the day crew
[29:11] and
that was a third person that was now
[29:15] tied to the vehicles. So instead of
having two, we had three and the money
[29:19] that we were spending on that person
going out and doing the things they were
[29:22] supposed to was getting washed into the
the day the paid on premise people's
[29:29] time as well.
At the end of the day, [snorts] we spend
[29:33] a little less.
We have more permanent protection
[29:38] that allows for us to be more responsive
to the community. If a carbon monoxide
[29:45] call, running two people out on the
engine is absolutely appropriate. Having
[29:48] two people that are full-time employees
that we know can do the job makes far
[29:55] more sense than having Heather have to
jump up on the raid and leave while
[30:00] she's in the middle of doing the budget
or somebody else coming in. We can solve
[30:03] that problem with those two employees.
>> Can two people help with lift assists?
[30:09] » Two two people depending on the person.
Um, but it they can I think there's
[30:17] still a discussion that goes there
because that's still that's still salary
[30:20] that we're contributing to
>> and we're not getting any sort of
[30:24] compensation or or quid proquo for it.
>> Well, we don't we [clears throat] don't
[30:28] really have anything that we can ask in
return,
[30:31] » right?
>> So, that's that's thing we as a
[30:34] non-transporting
as a non-EMS agency and one that doesn't
[30:39] transport, we can't bill for anything,
>> right? So the the recovery of cost has
[30:43] to come from the service.
So that that's a whole different
[30:48] discussion, but they they can absolutely
do that and they can absolutely do that
[30:52] the two of them versus having a page
that brings four more people down and
[30:56] then leverages another $40.
>> So with two people, one can drive and
[31:00] then one could,
you know, go along with them. We just
[31:04] take one vehicle.
>> They Yes.
[31:07] The the idea is that they are with the
vehicle that they're staffing for their
[31:11] entire shift. When they go somewhere,
the vehicle goes with them. They're
[31:15] available for calls for service
regardless of where they are, what
[31:19] they're doing. They could be inspecting.
And they have might have to say, "Excuse
[31:23] me. I apologize. I'll be back later."
And and off they go. So they they have
[31:27] the the immediate response capability is
is with them. Can they put out a
[31:32] structure fire? They need more help,
but they have the tools and the
[31:38] equipment to have the right vehicle on
scene at the right time in a in short
[31:43] order and be able to start that process.
>> I I have another question because I'm
[31:49] not a firefighter. So, would that be the
time
[31:52] » accepting applications? [laughter]
>> I don't think you want. Um,
[31:56] » we're looking to to improve the
readiness.
[31:59] » Yeah, that improve the
So, would that be a time when we would
[32:04] call out paid on call or would we call
for mutual aid
[32:10] » for structure
>> for structure fire
[32:12] » or both?
>> Would we do both?
[32:14] » It's it's both. It's it's one of those
where uh an actual structure fire takes
[32:22] a minimumish of 14 to 17 people to fight
effectively and safely. There there
[32:27] isn't a department that they get to
Oshkosh in the area that fits the bill.
[32:31] So we if there is an actual structured
fire, we will always rely on our
[32:35] neighbors and we have been since Ron
Fader started in 1972. It's just one of
[32:40] those things where none of us has the
ability or the tax dollars to afford a
[32:46] service like that. So we're we will
always ask Green Lake, we will always
[32:50] ask Brandon, we will always ask Berlin.
Okay?
[32:53] » And and
they will do the same thing. And so
[32:57] that's the goal is to be able to have
that that mutual relationship.
[33:02] There were times in the past where we
were going to fondac
[33:07] not necessarily
great risk exposure driving 30 and 40
[33:12] miles to places
fires are normally over then
[33:17] in most contexts unless you're really
going to do something. Um, so the the
[33:21] idea isn't to leverage that upon fondax
tax payers, but it's it we have to share
[33:26] resources. Um, so you know, it's usually
and this is three engine companies, a
[33:33] truck company, and somebody that's in
charge is usually where we start. So you
[33:38] would see Ripen Brandon Berlin or or
Green Lake Brooklyn and then somebody
[33:44] with a truck maybe a Marazan Grant River
fire to to get the staffing that we have
[33:48] our command staff in place that that run
it. So um but two people on the vehicle
[33:55] can definitely show up, pull a line,
have it at pump, have everything prepped
[33:59] and put water on fire that they can see
and buy everybody else time. So that the
[34:06] the gold standard is be there within
about 3 minutes and start the activities
[34:13] so you start to to prevent loss of life
and you start to to lessen the property
[34:17] damage. So the what we're hoping to do
is have that
[34:23] 5 days a week, 10 hours a day, and
that's when the the paid on call members
[34:27] aren't in town. It's literally there.
They're just not here. There there's a
[34:33] couple, but
We don't have enough currently with this
[34:37] the the size of the department. We don't
have enough to reliably provide that
[34:41] with the two. We do because we're adding
twos and threes to get our share of what
[34:48] it takes to fight the fire. Um
so that ultimately we're we hoped that
[34:56] the model brings down the cost of fire
protection a little bit. It helps us
[35:01] address that that that
uh structural deficit and it provides
[35:08] better service that we we have today. Um
that's the goal. Um ultimately
[35:18] any budget cycle I mean we need to get
that structural deficit to zero. So
[35:22] that's next year's project is to get it
literally it's just it's doing math and
[35:28] it's figuring out service levels and
it's cost per capita and it's how can we
[35:31] leverage relationships and it's all of
the things.
[35:34] » It takes a couple years to get rid of a
structural deficit.
[35:37] » It does. Yep. And that's I
again it's not the most awesome thing in
[35:42] the world. I'm not going to ask for that
for Christmas, but it's something that
[35:48] it exists and we unfortunately we just
don't have a way to leverage debt.
[35:55] » Okay, corporations have a way to
leverage debt and we just don't have a
[35:59] way to do that. So, we just do the
things we do and ultimately this group
[36:04] decides
the service levels, the the dollars we
[36:07] have to spend and then we just we go and
do good things with that.
[36:12] Um, put my glasses back on so I can
actually see the rest of this.
[36:16] Um,
[36:22] the the call pay stays the same. The
numbers for additional employees that
[36:29] would be in health, life, social
security, retirement are added into
[36:33] those lines.
[36:36] We have physicals for firefighters.
That's it's not as common in the in the
[36:41] pain on call world um as it should be.
But the things that firefighters are
[36:45] exposed to over the course of their
career. The the instances of cancer and
[36:49] heart disease are way higher. So it's
good for us to have a baseline so that
[36:52] we know where the people are and we can
track that. Um fit testing that's
[36:57] mandatory. Computers that those are
mandatory. U
[37:03] we we pay for power and light.
I was going to ask one thing under that
[37:09] one. Yes sir.
>> For the accounting software is the we
[37:14] use QuickBooks. Does that include any
other software or is it just QuickBooks?
[37:18] » It's just QuickBooks.
>> And is it because we run do we run
[37:22] payroll through QuickBooks?
>> And we also um in an effort to
[37:28] make sure there was more eyes on it, CLA
does review what we do quarterly. So we
[37:35] do have someone looking to make sure the
accounting is correct.
[37:39] » So we do pay a little bit more for it.
[37:48] » General the same servicing. So the the
the annual equipment services if that's
[37:54] an NFP requirement
compressors the SCBAs
[37:59] u the flow testing as and that goes into
the pit testing with the masks. The one
[38:04] thing that just as a as a sidelight to
that is in the coming years we're going
[38:09] to ask start applying for and we have
your support with uh assistance of
[38:15] firefighter grants, AFG grants because
SCPAs have a a life expectancy of 10
[38:20] years.
It's mandated. They're done after 10
[38:24] years. Um we're at five years. So what
we want to do is make sure that we go
[38:28] out to the grant cycle and hopefully we
can get that covered with the grant
[38:33] cycle and so we have multiple shots at
the grants before we have to come before
[38:37] you and say ah we kind of got some of it
or and report that hey there may be
[38:42] another hole or another ask but we want
to make sure that we're out proactively
[38:46] finding the money for the district
rather than just saying please give us a
[38:50] little bit more
um
[38:55] repair maintenance. Uh, this is where we
added 10
[39:00] » the buildings and grounds.
>> So, the buildings and grounds,
[39:04] there have not been many TLC projects
where we put money into the building. um
[39:12] 10,000 on a undeferred maintenance that
we have isn't going to solve all the
[39:18] problems, but we want to start
addressing some of the things that are
[39:23] right on the surface. So, we're able to
have some money to be able to to take
[39:29] care of the building. Ultimately,
um we do go to meetings and firehouses
[39:33] that are coming down around our ears and
that's just where they live. Um, and it
[39:39] it there are municipalities, very large
municipalities that have their buildings
[39:43] held up with wood even though they're
concrete buildings because that's just
[39:47] how they keep them standing. We don't
want to end up in that spot. Um, being
[39:51] good stewards of the the building and
the grounds is just we're going to chip
[39:55] away at it. Um,
training remains relatively the same.
[40:02] uh we took some of the other conference
money and reallocated. So you'll see
[40:09] firefighter education conference. So
that's the fire department instructor's
[40:12] conference in Indianapolis.
Um the
[40:17] being able to fund members to be there.
Um it's it's a gathering. It's where
[40:22] people sell fire trucks and all sorts
have all sorts of things. The the bonus
[40:26] to that and benefit to that is they have
hands-on training classes. They have a
[40:29] ton of education that goes with and they
they have the subject matter experts
[40:34] from all over the country and the world
and they're in one spot in Indianapolis.
[40:38] It's a [clears throat]
$1,300 isn't nothing, but it's a real
[40:43] cheap way to get our people there and in
touch with the experts. So, it's the
[40:48] goal was to take some of the the kind of
ancillary smaller things that we were
[40:53] spending money on and say, "Hey, bang
for the buck. Let's do it correctly and
[40:57] then get the people to where they need
to be.
[41:01] Office supplies are office supplies.
Printers are awesome. Uh
[41:08] we're looking uh there's money in for
computer replacement. Uh ultimately uh
[41:14] I'm going to angle for grant grants
around the community um for
[41:22] some form of MDC mobile data computer
mobile data terminal in the vehicles
[41:27] because that will give us granular
feedback on time out the door time to
[41:32] calls. Um the only way we can measure
our success is if we have the data that
[41:39] supports it. So being able to have that
in the in the lap or in the seat with
[41:43] the the responders is the way we get
that data. We can't we can't pull it
[41:48] from comm center recordings and it's
just they don't have the time and they
[41:52] they're not super interested in making
us mix tapes of what we're talking about
[41:57] on the radio.
um
[42:02] all the things that we are members of.
I think the
[42:10] FPA link went up a little bit. The
WSFA went up a little bit.
[42:18] Not those are memberships that that we
need that that keeps us current. That
[42:23] keeps us with other agencies. So,
Fondlac, Winnebago, Green Lake, that
[42:27] that's all the fire chiefs, that's all
the firefighters that we plug and play
[42:30] in three counties very easily and Dodge
is a is a fourth. Um, so we need to
[42:35] maintain those relationships.
[42:39] Passport, so gas monitors, those are
critical for firefighters and what's
[42:43] around them.
Uh,
[42:47] the port
portable portable rescue, the radios,
[42:52] and the airbags. We're not seeking those
this time around. Turnout gear um as a
[42:58] line item we are. We will have new
members including the chief who needs
[43:02] turnout gear. So we're doing that. Um
the other thing is the NFPA turnout gear
[43:08] has a 10ear life expectancy as well. I I
don't know about the gear because we
[43:14] have multiple types of gear here. Um
many of the for the older sets of gear
[43:19] manufactured with TOS in them. So we're
worried about firefighting home that
[43:24] [snorts] has POS. We're actually just
putting on gear because POS is integral
[43:28] to manufacturing a lot of things. So if
we have the option to not have that just
[43:33] in the things we're putting on all the
time, we'd like to go to hoses regular
[43:39] replacement. Uh
the radios, we'll we'll continue to talk
[43:43] about radios. That's another AFG or
similar grant item that you know radios
[43:48] and pagers going to all digital is that
that's the way the countyy's headed.
[43:51] That's the way some of the fire
departments and police agencies are.
[43:54] » You have some miniature pagers that you
found or weren't using and are those
[44:00] [clears throat]
>> No, they're they're the miniature six.
[44:03] So, they're still
>> they're still VHF. That's the We thought
[44:08] we had some radios that may have been
dual band. They are not, unfortunately.
[44:17] General small
the insurance um that went up a little
[44:26] bit. That may change. What I I ask Drew
to look at and and with the other
[44:32] insurance companies is um
[44:37] » words online basically on
>> cyber
[44:41] » cyber protection. We do data that goes
in and out. Um we are reporting on
[44:46] national platforms. on the outside,
we're not taking credit cards, so we
[44:50] don't we're not keeping PII that's
being transmitted. So that's that's one
[44:55] less thing that we have to worry about.
But um from the standpoint that if we
[45:01] suffer an attack
um the
[45:08] was it the Green Bay Hospital Network,
that was a $95 million hit. The city of
[45:12] Oshkosh took a multi-million dollar hit
and all that was was an open attachment
[45:16] in an email and it happened in the fire
department. Oops. But it's one of those
[45:21] where it's getting more sophisticated
having our us be protected against a
[45:25] large capital outlay for something like
an Oops. I think the money up front's
[45:30] probably probably worth it. Drew was
going to get back to us on that
[45:36] [snorts]
but then
[45:40] that's it.
I'm near the end. I feel like we're
[45:43] close.
>> The wind policy um went up $700
[45:48] about
>> 700
[45:53] and he
>> so
[46:00] questions
>> hopefully questions like this.
[46:08] » So this would then change the of
organization.
[46:13] » Correct.
>> It would change the table of
[46:15] organization. Uh
>> yes.
[46:19] » I just want to have everybody be clear
about that.
[46:23] » The the one the one thing that there
Okay, this is from me.
[46:30] The one thing if I was sitting in a
board member seat and you said, "Hey,
[46:33] you needed a full-time fire inspector."
>> Who does that now?
[46:40] I get it.
>> Yeah. Well, that that's and that's the
[46:44] real answer is we have code sets. We
have an understanding. I I've done it
[46:49] for years and as a member of an NFPA
committee, I understand the process.
[46:54] It's incumbent upon the fire chief to
train the people to do the things that
[46:57] they need to do. We're not doing
building plan review. We're not stamping
[47:01] drawings approved. We're not signing off
on systems.
[47:06] We're witnessing their testing. We're
making they operate,
[47:10] but it's a maintenance inspection so
that we're not putting ourselves at risk
[47:14] of having somebody build a building.
Marman house gets built and all of a
[47:18] sudden it doesn't have sprinklers and we
said, "Well, it says approved right on
[47:20] the plan. Fire department weigh in."
Yeah, but we we kind of missed that.
[47:25] Well, you had your shot. So, we're not
we're not exposing oursel that way. And
[47:31] fire departments do have plan reviewers
that are professional engineers. That's
[47:36] not what we do. We make sure that
buildings are safe to occupy in the in
[47:39] the townships in the city that we cover
and and that's what that's what we do
[47:44] using a very specific set of codes. So
that's one of the [clears throat] the
[47:49] things is and the the good thing about
it is you have two people. I I'm a firm
[47:56] believer in kind of two deep when when
we're acting in this capacity because
[48:01] the he said she said potential and I've
had it happen to me. You know what? You
[48:05] were you were doing the fire inspection.
You told me I could.
[48:10] Well, I didn't and it's not written down
and we've documented all the things, but
[48:14] the it's easier not to have the
conversation. So, having the having that
[48:18] that backup is is a in my mind is a good
way to do business. Hey,
[48:26] we shouldn't hire another full-time
employee just so we have a friend that
[48:29] goes fire inspecting. But the idea is
that it's a benefit of having that
[48:34] second person
>> and those people can still do the hose
[48:37] testing and all that other happy stuff.
[snorts]
[48:40] » So they do those people do the things
>> the things. Yeah.
[48:45] » Um Heather does her things, I do my
things and they have vehicle checks,
[48:51] they have host testing, they do the
SCBA. So when and the idea is that that
[48:56] the other bonus is when the paid on call
people come in to train, we train
[49:02] other other volunteer and other paid on
call departments when they come in at
[49:07] least one meeting night is we got to
check the SCBAs, we've got to start the
[49:10] vehicles, we got to go get fuel. So we
have two nights,
[49:16] three hours max,
you know, twice twice each month. So 24
[49:22] opportunities
to to get training in the hands of the
[49:26] volunteer fire service. ISO says that
196 hours is a benchmark for a
[49:32] firefighter.
That doesn't even come close to math,
[49:35] let alone hazmat company officer stuff,
driver stuff. So for us to be able to
[49:40] leverage that to have quality
firefighters on the paid on call side
[49:45] that aren't coming in and doing, I hate
to say it, chores, doing the you know,
[49:49] turn the SCB on, turn it off. those
things are done. We we have people that
[49:53] do those and
the goal is also to have them
[49:59] more involved on the paid on call
training side where those people are
[50:04] face to face. So if I have somebody
that's doing all the checks and I never
[50:08] see them, how do I trust them? I just I
don't know that person. Oh, these people
[50:13] are available all the time. How did you
do that? Show me how this let me see
[50:17] that. And it's not necessarily a gotcha,
but it's oh, I've got confidence that
[50:23] that you people are doing the things
that that we rely on you to do because
[50:27] an SCBA that doesn't work. Yeah, that's
catastrophic or hoses that aren't in
[50:33] good service, that can be catastrophic.
So, they take care of the things that
[50:38] keep everybody well. And so, [snorts]
that's a that's a bonus. They Yes, they
[50:42] can do anything. It doesn't take a
certified person to do. So ladder
[50:46] testing probably out just simply because
that's a that's a no kidding real
[50:52] engineer. Not you don't have to be an
engineer, but there's there's definite
[50:55] math. There's definite things we don't
know that go with that host testing. You
[51:00] you pump it up to 400 lb and you wait.
You make a few marks and then you you
[51:04] write stuff down. The things that don't
work you get rid of and the things that
[51:07] do work you put back on the vehicle. So
yeah, if
[51:13] we think it will be of benefit to the
department of the communities,
[51:19] if it doesn't work, I will sit here next
year and say, "Hey, guess what? I'm
[51:23] going to try now." And [snorts]
hopefully it's less money and more
[51:27] effective. Um, but it's it's one of
those things where in eight weeks
[51:31] there's only so many things to see. But
the things that
[51:35] have troubled me that I bother Heather
with all the time are
[51:39] I want consistent coverage. That's what
the community expects [snorts] and we
[51:44] want to be fiscally responsible.
Okay, go. Those are the two big rocks.
[51:48] How do we get there in all of these line
items, all responsibilities? So, I hope
[51:53] that's
I hope the explanation is
[51:57] clear enough to make that something that
we can do.
[52:04] » Any questions or suggested changes?
Otherwise, we'll we can do our budget
[52:12] hearing in October. And I promise I
won't forget to put it on the agenda.
[52:21] » So, just go ahead.
>> Okay.
[52:26] » Thank you.
>> You're very welcome.
[52:28] » Thank you.
>> Your budget transfer form.
[52:32] » So,
this is a printed rendering of
[52:37] We'll send
[52:51] this by earlier. Um, this is a printed
rendering of an Excel sheet. So, it's
[52:57] got the items on it. It It doesn't look
as cool as it does on the actual
[53:01] computer. Um but what it does is it it's
basically it takes somebody who wants to
[53:08] move money which is Heather I through
the process of doing the audit that says
[53:13] what what money do I have what where do
I want to move it how do I want to move
[53:17] it and then I have to write down the
justification and then I have to
[53:20] actually believe it and then we have
four layers of people that sign off on
[53:25] it that say yes we had the money yes we
concur that it's a good idea and and it
[53:30] tracks that through its life cycle So
that um we don't just have we had 10
[53:37] over here, but now we've got seven
because we had to move three over here.
[53:40] Well, maybe we did, but we've got a
definitive reason why. And we we've got
[53:45] documentation that goes with it. So, I
appreciate that we wanted one of those.
[53:49] Um, and it's
if for some don't like the form, we'll
[53:54] just we'll make a different form. But I
I think I hope we captured the things
[53:59] that that we were looking for there.
>> The auditors will be delighted.
[54:04] » Yeah, I thought I thought this form was
definitely like probably more than
[54:08] enough. Um, but it accomplishes exactly
what we want. I mean, the main rationale
[54:12] is we're dealing with other people's
money or tax dollars um and donations
[54:18] that come in. So, we should document
when we are making those changes. I
[54:22] don't think there's been like any issues
been on the board of it, but I was like,
[54:26] we're going to make these budget
adjustments. Let's sign off on them and
[54:30] have a record of it. So, when auditors
do come around or if someone's like,
[54:34] "Hey, you guys budgeted 30,000 on this
item, but now you have 20 there and you
[54:38] put the other 10,000 here. Why did you
do that?" We have it right here. So, no,
[54:43] I appreciate you putting this together
and pulling together actually quite
[54:47] quick. I think he said to me like a week
after I asked.
[54:51] » Oh, one thing I didn't forget.
[54:55] » Um, are there any further questions? I
think it's it's very helpful.
[55:03] If there aren't any, I'll entertain a
motion to approve this budget transfer.
[55:08] » I'll move to approve the budget transfer
form.
[55:11] » I'll second it. I'll second it.
>> You've got it first. I do. Sorry.
[55:15] » Got to be quicker.
>> Yeah. Throw things.
[55:20] » Any further discussion?
>> Hearing none. All those in favor, please
[55:24] signify by saying I.
>> I.
[55:27] » Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes.
Okay. Discussion of equipment. Chief had
[55:34] wanted to talk a little bit about our
meet.
[55:38] » I
Yes. Um, I think my first meeting five
[55:44] minutes into my tenure, uh, James Cooper
handed out a
[55:51] » an accounting of what it cost to
maintain fleet. Um,
[55:55] and
with engine 11 being purchased,
[56:01] most of the things I'll speak
specifically to Squad 18, which is it's
[56:06] basically a toolbox on wheels, roll up
doors, two people sit, and it goes to to
[56:10] calls. We use it for rescues, we use it
for education.
[56:14] That those were the tools that it had on
it. Engine 11 has all of those things.
[56:20] » Does Engine 11 have like everything?
Engine 11 has most of of all of the
[56:25] things the so what the the department
and this isn't a me thing the department
[56:30] has done a good job of making the
engines very [clears throat] very
[56:34] similar so we have firefighting
equipment we have some rescue equipment
[56:39] we have extrication equipment and they
reside on multiple vehicles we've we've
[56:44] kept the department has kept those
things in good working order so we have
[56:49] purse jaws of life equipment that works
incredibly ly well that we're able to
[56:53] have on multiple vehicles. So we have
depth. Um most departments don't have
[56:58] depth. So engine 11 has the newest of
the the jaws of light, the stabilization
[57:06] equipment because you've seen it. It's
it's large. the Pierce engineers have
[57:11] designed it so it holds
it can actually hold more than it's it's
[57:16] rated to simply because the space
exists. Uh
[57:21] with with that
um maintaining vehicles that we don't
[57:27] use on a regular basis
doesn't seem to be a good use of money.
[57:34] um
in a in Appleton we're asking for a
[57:38] rescue. It's the same toolbox on wheels
because we want to do something
[57:43] different. It's a hard justification to
have the something else because
[57:49] so at
[57:53] we would like to recommend or we would
like the ability to entertain selling
[58:01] the squad squad 18. Um,
the bonus is it's the 2007.
[58:08] It doesn't have a ton of wear and tear
on it, and you can actually get
[58:14] a decent dollar for it. Um, when you
start to get to a a 25 or a 30-year life
[58:20] expectancy on a vehicle, the dollar that
you get is just about scrap
[58:26] and
[58:29] we will have had to have maintained it.
So,
[58:33] the tires, the oil changes, the
everything else in order basically to
[58:36] keep it in the market.
[58:41] So that
we don't have the number of people that
[58:47] we would need to even take it out. Um,
and that mean we have engines that are
[58:53] in the same space
um that end up costing money. Um, so
[59:02] in my mind being able to rightsize the
fleet and I don't I'm not where I I
[59:07] don't know where right size is yet. Um
it has a lot to do in my mind with ISO
[59:12] that the fire service rating where we it
determines the protection class we have.
[59:17] Um
but the the start is we have a vehicle
[59:21] that doesn't have anything on it right
now and we're not intending to put
[59:25] anything back on it. um we don't have
all the tools and equipment to run it to
[59:29] staff or to outfit another rescue. Um
and there are people that will buy it.
[59:35] Um so
[59:38] disc I mean this is this is a discussion
of it's
[59:42] » so squad 18 doesn't have any um like
pump capability or water. It doesn't
[59:47] have any tanks on it. It's just
equipment like hard tools and power
[59:53] equipment and hose and ladders can be on
it. But
[59:56] » if you picture a Snap-on toolbox,
>> it's a Snap-On toolbox with a motor and
[1:00:01] a steering wheel and and
there are many cases where that is the
[1:00:07] 100% the right vehicle to do the things.
When it was purchased, the intent was we
[1:00:13] we were at a certain number of engines.
We had we needed a capability, I'm
[1:00:18] guessing. But this is how it normally
goes. The the most economical way to to
[1:00:23] get that capability was to do this. I
mean, you're not pump testing. You don't
[1:00:27] have the expenditure on all the hose.
You don't have the I mean, it's a it's a
[1:00:31] it's not a crew cab. You have two two
people. So, you're always taking
[1:00:34] something else out with it.
Larger municipalities have rescue
[1:00:39] companies and they ride rescues and
they're full of tools.
[1:00:43] We we don't have a rescue company. We
have engine companies and we have a
[1:00:47] truck and it depends on what we put
people on. Um
[1:00:52] and so it's the the toolbox is empty at
this point.
[1:00:58] So if the board is agreeable, we can put
it on um under old business at our next
[1:01:04] meeting for further discussion and
possible action
[1:01:10] and head body.
>> Yes.
[1:01:12] » Yeah. I guess I' I'd like to understand,
you know, if it were to go to auction or
[1:01:18] if there was another municipality that
was looking for something, what, you
[1:01:22] know, kind of the what value would we
get be getting back out of it now at
[1:01:27] this point?
>> So, that's just
[1:01:30] » Yep. And I can I can report back on that
as to what
[1:01:34] » other interested municipalities or what
what the the value at auction of a
[1:01:38] vehicle like that
>> could be
[1:01:41] » could be. Um what the engine lot is a
completely different the old engine is a
[1:01:46] completely different different story. U
municipalities
[1:01:51] many municipalities either run them till
they're dead and literally it's a towway
[1:01:56] » or they try and they industry practice
has been to try and get the the cycle
[1:02:02] down to 15 years because 15 years is
about the breakover point where the the
[1:02:07] chassis is good enough. The pump still
pump tests on the engine side. The
[1:02:10] ladder will still will still pass its
inspections and it's of value.
[1:02:16] Otherwise, you're you're selling
something that is
[1:02:20] just not
it's something that somebody else is
[1:02:24] going to either love and invest a ton of
money in or rehab and rebuild and and
[1:02:28] spend the money to do that. So I I can
come back to the prices, auction prices,
[1:02:34] just you know, sale prices and then look
on Wisconsin surplus which is where some
[1:02:39] of the the vehicles go and just give a
ballpark.
[1:02:44] » Okay.
>> Are you going to be here tomorrow? Maybe
[1:02:48] a little field trip up there to take a
look, see what we're looking at here.
[1:02:54] » You want to come down tomorrow and look
at it?
[1:02:55] » Yes. Hey, somebody will be
>> I will be here after
[1:03:02] 2:15 2:30. The city has a staff meeting
at one so I need to be in attendance at
[1:03:07] » so 2:30
>> that staff meeting up and I will be out
[1:03:10] of town in the morning because
>> I got a pretty tight schedule.
[1:03:14] » Well, [laughter] I've heard.
>> Yes,
[1:03:18] I I'm going to see if I can pencil this
in.
[1:03:20] » Yep.
>> Thank you.
[1:03:21] » Absolutely. [snorts]
Yeah. And I
[1:03:25] anytime anybody wants to come down, let
me know and I can show you. I mean for
[1:03:29] me saying engines and trucks and rescues
and squads and is just it's 30 some odd
[1:03:34] years of just talking like that where
>> the idea that an engine company does has
[1:03:38] specific functions and a truck company
has specific functions.
[1:03:42] » Sometimes people are like yeah but
they're all trucks so
[1:03:45] » not really. But, you know, I'm not an
electrician, so I think all the wires do
[1:03:51] the same thing, which apparently,
[laughter]
[1:03:54] which is why I'm still scared of
electricity.
[1:03:57] » I'm scared of electricity, too.
[1:04:03] » All these things for
>> Okay, I'll I'll put it on the agenda for
[1:04:06] next month for us to discuss and take
possible action. The next item is
[1:04:11] schedule the public hearing. Typically
we do that at 6:45
[1:04:16] before the meeting. That we'll do it.
Okay. And then we do have to discuss a
[1:04:23] retirement payout which is an action
item.
[1:04:28] Um with um Howlet's retiring, he was hit
28 years on the department and um
[1:04:37] there's a thing that we have where he
gets a $100 for each year he was on. So,
[1:04:42] he would get $2,800.
Um, and that would go through his
[1:04:47] payroll according to CLA.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:04:50] » I got that answer. So, um,
>> good to know.
[1:04:53] » So, yeah.
>> So, I would entertain a motion to um
[1:04:58] » I'll move to do the payout for John for
$2,800.
[1:05:02] » No.
>> Okay. Is there a second?
[1:05:05] » Second.
>> Thank you. Any discussion?
[1:05:09] Is there anybody else that's going to
retire?
[1:05:13] » Not that I'm aware of.
>> I mean, because 2,800 that's that's all
[1:05:19] of what we have in the budget right now.
>> No, we have 6,500 in the budget.
[1:05:24] » Yeah,
>> because we do have the option of doing
[1:05:27] it.
>> Oh, paying payments. Yeah, we have 65.
[1:05:30] We have 6500.
>> Get it done. But what I'm saying is
[1:05:33] there's others coming
[1:05:37] » Well, I think Ron Feder has been here
for a while and 54 years.
[1:05:44] » Ron would break the bank, but Ron's
anomaly and I don't think he's going.
[1:05:48] » And Dennis Miller and
>> Howard Stimber are the three most senior
[1:05:54] » uh serving fire
>> people. Yep.
[1:05:57] » And they're not talking about retiring.
>> No, not yet. They have not.
[1:06:03] » So, we have a motion by Luke and a
second by Dave.
[1:06:08] Is there any further discussion? Because
Gary asked a good question, right? We're
[1:06:15] almost at the end of the year, too. So,
all those in favor, uh, please signify
[1:06:20] by saying I.
>> I.
[1:06:22] » Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes
unanimously.
[1:06:27] So, on the agenda for future meetings,
we have our budget meeting at 6:45. And
[1:06:33] I would assume that Heather and the
chief will have the budget finalized for
[1:06:39] us.
>> Yep. I'll be ready.
[1:06:40] » And then um the discussion of right
sizing the fleet.
[1:06:47] » Other than that, I'll entertain a motion
to adjurnn.
[1:06:50] » I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll
second.
[1:06:53] » Okay. Thank you. All those in favor,
please signify by saying I.
[1:06:59] » I.
>> Those opposed, same sign.
[1:07:02] » We are journed.