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Good evening. I'd like to welcome

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everyone to the Village of Riverside

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Board of Trustees regular meeting of

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Thursday, March 19th, 2026.

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Uh please stand as you're able and join

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me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Clerk Stenzel, please call the role.

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» Trusty Marsha,

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» Here.

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» Trusty Gallagher here.

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» Trusty CS

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» Here.

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» Trusty Evans here.

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» Trusty Mateo here.

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» Trusty Fitzgerald here. Manager Francis

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» Here. President Pollock

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» Here.

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» Also, President Clerk Stenzel.

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» Uh we have a brief president's report.

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Uh upcoming village meetings include the

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following. Uh March 23rd, Parks and

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Recreation Board regular meeting.

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Riverside Public Library at 6:30 p.m.

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March 25th, Planning and Zoning

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Commission regular meeting at uh here at

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the Village Hall Town Hall. uh room 4

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6:30 p.m. And our next regular scheduled

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meeting is April 2nd. Uh same time, same

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place, 6:30 p.m. Town Hall.

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Uh that concludes my president's report.

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Do we have any trustee reports this

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evening?

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There are none. Uh Manager Francis,

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manager's report.

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» Thank you. I have two items to update

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the board and the public on. One being

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um the board might have seen that Joel

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Kennedy is starting to work on parkway

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restorations from lead service lines

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that were installed last year. Um so

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this will be firsttime restorations in

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the parkway and also any areas that have

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subsided over the winter will be

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restored as well. Another item that will

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begin soon is Nyor's restoration over on

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Cowi. They'll be restoring the roadway,

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curbs, sidewalk, and um the parkway.

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There will be a detour when that work

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begins. Uh public works staff is working

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on obtaining the details and

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coordinating through Nyore and their

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contractors. Once the village has

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received that information regarding the

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detour and the timing, we will share it

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with the public. As of this evening, we

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don't have confirmed dates, but as soon

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as we do, we will send those out. That

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is all I have this evening.

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Thank you. Uh public comments for

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non-aggenda items. Is there anyone in

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attendance who would like to address the

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board uh on a matter that is not on our

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agenda tonight? Uh knowing that uh as we

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go through the agenda, there'll be

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public comments on those specific items.

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There are none. Uh consent agenda. Clerk

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Stenzel, please read the consent agenda.

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» Approve voucher list of bills March

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19th, 2026. Approve village board of

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trustees regular meeting minutes March

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19th, 2026. Approve village village

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board of trustees executive meeting

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minutes March 5th, 2026. The previous

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one was also March 5th. Review and file

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board and commission minutes economic

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development commission regular meeting

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minutes January 14th, 2026. Landscape

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Advisory Commission regular meeting

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minutes February 10th, 2026. Historical

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commission regular meeting minutes

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February 16th, 2026. Review and file

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department reports. Public works

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February 2026 finance February 2026

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2025 community development annual report

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and 2025 public safety annual report.

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A resolution authorizing the village

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manager to create a purchase order in

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the amount of $174,900

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for Christopher B. Burke Engineering to

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provide professional design and

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constructive engineering services as

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part of the South Coat Road res.

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An ordinance amending the village code

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relative to beekeeping and henkeeping

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and amending a fee schedule for the

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village riverside. An approval of facade

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grant application for Salme 35 East

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Burlington.

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» Do any of these items uh need to be

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removed from the consent agenda?

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Uh there are none. I'd ask for a motion

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and a second to approve the consent

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agenda.

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» So moved.

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» Second.

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» Motion and second. Clerk Stenzel, please

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call the role.

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» Trusty Marsha.

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» Trusty Galgas.

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» Trusty Cos.

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» Trusty Evans.

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» Trusty Matteo.

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» Trusty Fitzgerald.

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» Hi.

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» Motion carries. Uh, department board and

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commission reports. We have an update

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this evening from for from the parks and

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recreation department. Assistant

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director Megan Cisa will provide that

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report.

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Good evening, President Pollock, village

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trustees, manager Francis. I just wanted

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to provide you all with a quick update

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on some events and programs that we have

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coming up as we move into the spring

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season. Our variety of egg hunt events

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will take place later this month. We

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will kick off the egg hunt festivities

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with our teen flashlight egg hunt that

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will take place next Thursday, March

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26th, over at Indian Gardens. The hunt

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will begin at 7:45 p.m. and we invite

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those that are 11 to 15 to join us for

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that. Just be sure to bring a basket and

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a flashlight with you. We will follow

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that up with our annual egg hunt which

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will take place on Saturday, March 28th

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over at Big Ballpark. We will begin our

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age groups promptly at 10:00 a.m. and we

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invite those that are 10 and under to

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join us for that. The bunny will also be

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available at that event for photos. And

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then we will conclude our egg hunt

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events with our golden egg hunt which

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will take place from March 31st to April

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2nd. Each day in that time frame, new

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golden eggs will be hidden in the parks.

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Each golden egg that's found is going to

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be eligible for a $10 parks and recck

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certificate to use toward any future

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program or event. Moving on to

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programming that we have, we've got a

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variety of programs that are beginning

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in the next few weeks. Some upcoming

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adult programs that we have are cardio

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kickboxing, weight training, Zumba,

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yoga. We have a Mother's Day paint and

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sip, and dodgeball and pickle ball

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tournaments. And then some upcoming

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youth programs include a spring break

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art camp, flag football, and spring

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soccer, as well as our ongoing nature

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programs such as Saturdays in the Woods,

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and Earth Day nature hike. And speaking

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of programming, our summer program

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brochure will release in May with all of

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our summer programs, classes, and

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events. Be sure to keep an eye out in

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your mail for our seasonal brochure

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mailer that will come out to announce

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when that is released. And lastly, we're

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very excited to announce our brand new

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weekly newsletter for Riverside Parks

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and Recreation. Every Tuesday, we will

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release a newsletter to your email

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that's going to include some exciting

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upcoming programs and events. This is

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going to be the best way to keep up to

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date with all things Riverside Parks and

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Wreck. We did send out an initial signup

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email as well as our first newsletter.

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And if you did not receive that, you are

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able to sign up um with the QR code

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that's been posted both to the Riverside

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Parks and Recck Facebook page as well as

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the village p Facebook page. Thanks.

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» Thank you. Any questions for assistant

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director Cisco? I would just make one

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» Since we adopted Well, first of all,

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thank you for the update on the

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programs. Uh, spring is here, so it's

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time to get out, get outside and sign up

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for a program. But I also want to take

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this opportunity to thank the parks and

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recreation department and parks and

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recreation board on the tremendous

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success, in my opinion, you've had

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already in implementing your master plan

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for 2025. We've already got funding for

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for uh uh Turtle Park uh and um and Ble

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Park, right? Yeah. Ble uh funding and

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that's in the pipeline. And we're hoping

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to follow that up with Harrington next

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summer. And uh also the parks and

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another goal from the master plan of

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creating zoning for the uh parks and

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open space in the village. So, thank you

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to the department and the board.

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» Uh, pending business, um, presentation

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and discussion of new public safety

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facility visualization concepts. Manager

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» Thank you. Um we do have the team from

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Williams Architects that will walk the

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village board through um the different

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schemes and designs for the board to

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take a look at and provide some feedback

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on. Additionally, I just wanted to

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provide the board a brief update after

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this evening. Um the next step based on

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the feedback that's received, Williams

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will then attend a preservation

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commission meeting and get additional

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feedback based on the narrow down down

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designs that the village board wants

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preservation to react to and give

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additional feedback. So with I will turn

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it over to the Williams team.

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» Good. Good evening, President Pollock,

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village trustees manager Francis. um

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happy to be here again tonight and um

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we'll have all four of our team members

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presenting um this evening a lot of

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information about the concept. So um

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let's just get right into it and next

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please. So we want to just bring you up

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to speed um as to where we've been um

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what we've been working on for the last

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few months and ultimately the four

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different ideas we have um for the

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exterior of the project. Um, we also

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have partnered with harbor contractors

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and Chris Kak is here tonight to tell

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you a little bit about where costs are

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projected at the moment as well as some

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ideas to um perhaps um bring costs down.

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for feedback from you as the village

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board um what you like, what you don't

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like um in terms of the exterior concept

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so we can continue to move forward and

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and refine. But most of all, we want to

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make sure we're answering your questions

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and keeping you as informed as possible

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about the proposal.

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updates. Um we've worked um had several

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meetings with staff. Um we've um put

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together um four very um distinct

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concepts um for the exterior. We've also

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really validated the work that you've

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seen so far by engaging a civil engineer

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and a structural engineer to make sure

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that we really understand the site to

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confirm that we do not need to do

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anything further in terms of storm water

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um detention which we have confirmed and

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to understand um how we would be

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actually structuring this in

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consultation with a structural engineer.

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So um there is a measure of um

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architectural and engineering

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feasibility that are baked into these

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concepts that we're um going to show you

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tonight and talked a little bit about

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next steps as manager Francis mentioned

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um we're ready to move um upon your

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direction into design adjustments and

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review um by the preservation commission

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and to begin the community engagement

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process around this project.

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Um, so with that, um, I will turn it

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over to our project manager, Kim Nigro,

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to recap the site plan and the floor

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plans and then we'll move to the

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exterior concepts. Thank you.

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» Thank you everyone. Glad to be back with

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you. Um, I'll just start by recapping

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the um, site plan and floor plans. um

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some of which most of which you saw at

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our last presentation but it has been

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refined based on your feedback and um

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some consensus um about the various

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schemes that we presented at our last

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meeting. So um

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oh good this works. Oh thank you sorry

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just getting back off. Thank you chief.

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So um just to give you the brief quick

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overview of the site plan of the various

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schemes that we presented last time. The

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main difference was whether the

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apparatus bay would be um flanked by the

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apparatus support to the east or more or

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whether that support bar would be more

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in the center of the overall layout

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based on again feedback from all of you

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and more conversations with the manager

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and chief. Um the decision was that

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keeping the apparatus bays more um

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toward the center and putting that

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support on the outside edge um provided

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a couple of different benefits within

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the plan layout itself as well as on the

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site. So this allows that apparatus

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apron to be a little further away from

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the drive down to the lower level. Um

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provides that surface level parking here

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for staff to come in quickly. Um and

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then we've also again still focusing on

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the community and public space here as a

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light touched link to the existing

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village hall. Um based on the feedback

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again, we've focused the entryway right

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here on axis with the colonade or view

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connection out toward the river. Um and

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and as you'll start to see in the

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exterior schemes that we'll show you, um

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all of the schemes have this layout on

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site. All of the schemes have the same

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kind of axis and exterior um colonade

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and patio space um and you know are

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basically all in the same massing and

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form on the site.

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So this um lower level plan really again

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hasn't changed since you last saw it. um

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parking available for um police here on

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the lower level, entrance uh for staff

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to a staff stair that takes them um or

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through the elevator securely up to

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secure administrative space on the

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second floor. Um and then keeping kind

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of the basic storage of the building

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under the apparatus bay on this end and

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the evidence processing and storage here

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um near where they would enter and then

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the utilities on the far end.

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So, this again, as I kind of recapped on

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the site plan, the main floor level has

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um this community space around the lobby

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here with the public conference room and

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toilets and the you we're saying

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ornamental stair that really just means

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open, not an enclosed fire stair. um and

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space for displaying of the historic

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firet truck and um potential

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repositioning of some um village hall

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space in the in the existing village

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hall. Uh and again that really nicely

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consolidated shared administrative space

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between police and fire. And then as we

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move to the east, the um apparatus and

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the support zones um for the apparatus

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bay.

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And on the upper level, again, all of

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the community space is focused here on

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the west end where they could come up

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this public stair, access restrooms,

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access the fitness space, um, come down

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this public corridor all the way through

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to the public terrace, um, and to the

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community space, which is has access to

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Riverside TV, the kitchen, and some

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storage. So, the elevator is here

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centrally located. this would have

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public access at this level. Um, also if

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police or fire needed to use that

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elevator at this upper level, they can

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do that and then come into a secure

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corridor

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where most of the police functions are

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are focused right here with a men's

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locker room and toilet and showers,

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women's locker room, toilet and showers,

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and then as you move on, um, this shared

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kitchen, dining and day room space, and

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then the more private bunk rooms and

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lockers for fire and EMS personnel.

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Well, that was one of the comments from

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the last meeting was um liking them

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having kind of their own quieter wing

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over here um on the other side of the

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apparatus bay. So, yeah, again, just

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more public zone shared and and more

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quiet private on the end.

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So, with that, I'm going to move into um

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exterior schemes unless anyone has any

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thoughts or questions about the plan

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recap.

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So, I want to start by again kind of

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talking about what's in common with the

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four different schemes that we've looked

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at. Um we've tried to take our cues um

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based on listening to chief and uh um

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manager and and all of the committee

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about paying reverence to this historic

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village hall but not trying to imitate

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it. understanding the cues that we're

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receiving from the proportions of the

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building and um respecting that,

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following that language, but creating a

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new um design for this new um facility.

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So, we've done things like looking at

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the strong horizontal masonry banding of

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this building and taking some cues from

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that. We've looked at these the strong

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corner vertical elements with the

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turrets and taking some cues from that.

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Um and then we've um because of the

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large footprint of this plan as compared

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to this building, we've tried to break

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it down into clear those same kind of

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clear functions of public administrative

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fire and you know make sure that it's

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not looking like a vast facade by

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comparison to this building. and at the

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same time wanting to um celebrate the

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height of this building while keeping

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this new facility lower. Again, because

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it is um wider, a little larger in

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footprint, we wanted to not have it also

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be as tall and competing with this facil

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this structure in that in that way as

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well.

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So, we've kind of named each of these

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schemes so that you have a little

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something to remember. It's it's going

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to be a lot that we go through tonight.

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So, I want um you to be able to refer

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back to which was that scheme. So, we've

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named this one dynamic response. And so,

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scheme one uh really started around a

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desire to um look at how closely we are

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situated up against the village hall,

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but give it a little bit of room to

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breathe. So, um that footprint that in

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plan was pretty square. In this version,

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we're sort of um angling a few of the

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walls, mostly this colonade that kind of

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leads you through to the river and

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bending right around this point where we

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get tight at this turret. Um and so the

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idea was that as you enter in the

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facade, this the this column structure

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feels wider, feels welcoming, kind of

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funnels you into the space and then

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widens again at the back, opens up again

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at the terrace. So you feel that kind of

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dynamic um movement as you as a you know

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from someone from the community coming

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to that space. And then again as I'd

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mentioned um we've taken these these um

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horizontal banding of the facility and

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kind of mirrored that um in terms of the

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proportions of overall and then breaking

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this community space down separately in

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mass from the apparatus bays and the

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support zone on the end. And in talking

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about some kind of tower anchoring

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elements vertically in each scheme,

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you'll see kind of this repeating um

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vertical elements that um you know give

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some repeat the rhythm of these

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elements.

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So this gives that view kind of right

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through the entry and through um to the

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green space along the river. And you can

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kind of see those columns begin to

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repeat leading you in. This would be

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that historic um firetruck display could

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could be on either side and and then uh

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the public conference room and fitness

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here. So it is glassier on this front

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area. This is where those community

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spaces would be.

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And then as we each of these images will

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kind of move you around to the south

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toward the river as we And so this again

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is that um oop sorry

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the um bunk rooms here and some light

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into the apparatus bay um support spaces

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some lighting into stair towers

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and on the back again um having kind of

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expressing these

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um ramps and and this dynamic um sort of

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angular shapes again where you emerge

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from the building with this colonade. Um

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and then having that repeating that kind

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of angled shading at the community

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terrace as well.

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And so then as you approach from the

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river, walk from the west, you would

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enter this public patio level. And then

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again, there's the terrace um that's

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supported by that colonade up at the

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community room level.

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I should have said in the beginning,

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each of these schemes might have

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elements or aspects that you like. They

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they are all somewhat interchangeable.

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if there's some aspect of scheme one

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that you feel like would also work or be

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celebrated in scheme three. Um just like

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with the plans, you know, we want to

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show you these four options as a way of

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showing a lot of different ideas and

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then taking that feedback and and

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working them in together.

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So there's kind of an aerial view where

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you can see that bending um a little

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more a little more clearly illustrated.

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And then the apparatus bay roof would be

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set a little lower to allow some

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daylighting in along the um living

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dining uh day room spaces.

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Okay, move on to scheme number two.

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Oh, I one more. Sorry. Elevations. So

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the the flat elevations we thought were

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kind of helpful to really look at the

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scale of this building compared to those

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historical datms and lines in the

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masonry and how we're kind of pulling

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00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:07,039
those through and then how we're kind of

546
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,559
breaking down this eastern facade that's

547
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:10,880
facing more towards the residential

548
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:14,880
areas with more punched opening smaller

549
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:17,679
scale windows to keep that looking

550
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,679
appealing.

551
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:20,679
Okay.

552
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,840
Good evening. Uh again, uh president,

553
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,480
board, and uh and staff. Happy to be

554
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,400
back, uh here with you all. Uh so this

555
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:38,400
is I've got control here, right? Uh

556
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,880
forward and back. All right. Um as uh as

557
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,600
Kim shared, uh these images will take

558
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,240
you on a walk around uh each one of the

559
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,080
schemes. Uh, another thing I wanted to

560
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,080
mention with these, as you see, we're

561
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,919
showing this in a very light, um, just

562
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,799
kind of off-white collar with a little

563
00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:56,720
hint of material. So, uh, to build on,

564
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:58,799
uh, a bit of what was said, we're

565
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,799
beginning to hint at materiality. So,

566
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:02,480
uh, keeping that in mind, too, like the

567
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,480
kind of interchangeability of ideas with

568
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,799
these schemes, some of these lend

569
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,520
themselves to, uh, inherently a little

570
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:12,480
bit more of a traditional look. Uh, but

571
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,400
even the more modern look uh, could use

572
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,480
more traditional materials. masonry or

573
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,720
or wood cladding and different things

574
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,400
that could uh kind of help bridge the

575
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,919
gap between the the new and the old. So,

576
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,840
just keeping that in mind, we we've

577
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:26,960
intentionally left these a little bit of

578
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:29,360
a blank slate with that um material uh

579
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,120
flexibility in mind. So, uh I'll take

580
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:34,880
you around this one that we're calling

581
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:36,799
um contextual presence. And uh as you

582
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,200
see immediately it feels a little more

583
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,520
traditional, a little more in uh uh in

584
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,440
tune maybe with the the traditional

585
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,159
architecture of the adjacent building.

586
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,720
Uh but yeah, very interested to have you

587
00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:51,919
all review all these and and give us

588
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:56,960
your thoughts uh if we're finding that

589
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:58,240
balance. Um so the uh entry through the

590
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,080
middle there, you've got the view

591
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,480
through and hint of the the river

592
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,799
beyond. We've got the historic engine

593
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,799
number three. uh tucked into the the

594
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:08,960
space between the buildings on this one

595
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:10,799
and this one you see we've we've kept a

596
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,000
little further away than scheme one. So

597
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:16,799
you also see the view to the sky beyond

598
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,799
um and with the tight program there

599
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,080
there's uh moves that we make with these

600
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,400
like with this one you see the upper

601
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,559
level begins to pull forward a bit. So

602
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,120
by um kind of tight moving it further

603
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:28,960
away from the village hall we we flex

604
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,880
and scoot the spaces forward a little

605
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,279
bit. So, just a subtle difference that

606
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,679
you'll see with some of these. Um, so

607
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:39,840
here we're moving around um to the

608
00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:41,760
northeast. Uh, this one uh also does the

609
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,039
the moves with the massing to step down

610
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,960
and then step back up uh at the corners.

611
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:50,559
Uh here's the view from the swinging

612
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:53,440
bridge of the um south facade. Those

613
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:56,080
views into the living spaces and then

614
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,200
the much larger glazed opening into the

615
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,559
community room on the upper level.

616
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,640
Uh this one uh still has as all of them

617
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:08,240
have the upper and lower um terrace on

618
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,640
the river side uh but with a more pulled

619
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,080
back overhang.

620
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:17,120
Um here's the view from the potential

621
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:20,120
riverwalk uh coming up from the

622
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,120
southwest.

623
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,000
And uh note again note the the large

624
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:30,840
windows into and out of the um the

625
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,840
community room. Here's the aerial

626
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,559
from the northeast and then the other

627
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,320
aerial from the southwest. And also

628
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:40,000
wanted to point out from the southwest

629
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,480
views, you'll see a little hint of what

630
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,279
we were thinking of as a potential um

631
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,120
art wall on the what's currently a a

632
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,279
literal blank slate on the back side of

633
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:51,279
the uh the village hall where we just

634
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,600
have the lap siding there. Uh our

635
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,600
thought was this could with um the

636
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,919
adjacency of the new public space could

637
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,840
be an opportunity for a mural or or art

638
00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:04,240
wall of some kind. So you'll see that in

639
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:06,640
in all of the schemes. Um the other um

640
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,039
unique difference on this one uh a much

641
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,960
more um like curve linear approach to

642
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:13,120
the riverw walk. And with all of these

643
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,000
schemes, uh you'll you'll also see how

644
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,799
in collaboration with our um uh civil

645
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,240
engineers, we're we're retaining that or

646
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,000
we're keeping the existing retaining

647
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,159
wall and any proposed new work is being

648
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,600
held back from that retaining wall from

649
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:30,320
the river. So, uh subtle detail on those

650
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,320
riverwalk schemes. There's um the

651
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,320
elevations.

652
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Uh and um we're only we were only

653
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,480
showing the like the primary public

654
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,799
elevations. Um but we've kind of studied

655
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:48,200
as you saw in the 3Ds the the the

656
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:48,200
alignment um on all sides.

657
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,919
And moving on um to the um next one. I'm

658
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,520
going to take the middle two and then

659
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,640
I'll hand it uh hand it off to another

660
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,200
member so you don't have to hear from

661
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:02,320
one of us for too long. Uh so this one

662
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,000
we're calling um spatial framing. And uh

663
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,159
what you'll start to see with this one

664
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,960
is this theme of kind of linear bands

665
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:11,919
that uh that encircle and frame certain

666
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:15,360
spaces or views uh around the building.

667
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:17,120
So um there at the entry, this piece

668
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,880
that rises up and frames that entry and

669
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,880
the view through. And you see a hint of

670
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,080
another framing element on the far side,

671
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,080
which you'll see as we move around.

672
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,520
Uh here we've got the the stair towers,

673
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,360
very similar massing to the others

674
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,679
responding to that program, but rather

675
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:36,399
than the kind of capped tower, it's got

676
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:38,399
this uh framing element that that um uh

677
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:40,240
frames the tower with some glazing in

678
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:42,559
there to provide light into the stair

679
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,880
tower.

680
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:46,799
Here's the view from the swinging bridge

681
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,679
with the articulation of the south

682
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:51,279
facade. uh more of those um boxed

683
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:52,559
elements around there which as you start

684
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,559
to see in this view and you'll see in

685
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,480
the other ones as well the articulation

686
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,240
on the south we begin to push and pull a

687
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,399
little bit to provide solar control on

688
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,200
the south uh the lighting here is based

689
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:04,559
on accurate um sun uh light that would

690
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,520
hit the building at different times in

691
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:09,840
the year uh so you can see how in like

692
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,159
morning light in I forget what day we

693
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,000
based this on but the those elements

694
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:16,720
that come out are providing important um

695
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,480
feature to help prevent glare and direct

696
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,080
uh heat gain coming into those spaces

697
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,720
while still uh allowing views out.

698
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,360
This one uh has that framing around that

699
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:31,480
upper piece. So uh still open to the

700
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,480
river but a little more enclosed.

701
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:39,480
Here's the view uh approaching down the

702
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,480
possible riverwalk extension

703
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:43,799
uh and the aerial views.

704
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Yeah. So, more of a angular kind of

705
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,000
river walk uh scheme shown on this one.

706
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000
And you'll notice with all of these, we

707
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,760
we were providing some like stepping

708
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,919
terracing or like potential little

709
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,080
planter areas that would provide uh

710
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:04,960
engagement on the the riverwalk and

711
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:08,520
terrace as well.

712
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,520
Here's those elevations.

713
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:16,559
All right, I'll hand it back to Kim.

714
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:20,320
» Thank you.

715
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:22,960
So, um, this final scheme, we wanted to,

716
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:26,159
um, certainly show a version that did

717
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,679
have, um, pitched roofs and take a

718
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:30,000
little bit of a cue from this building

719
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:31,760
in that way, while at the same time not

720
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,600
going quite for the steepness that this

721
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,520
building has. This is not a building of

722
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,840
that era, and we don't want to again

723
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,799
compete with with this building in that

724
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:43,600
way. So, um, but we did want to do a

725
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,440
version to show you where we use those

726
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,760
different roof shapes again to anchor

727
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,480
these, um, sort of towers at the corner

728
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,720
and and give presence to the entryway.

729
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,399
Um so um the other thing about this

730
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,559
scheme and why we're calling it

731
00:30:54,399 --> 00:31:00,000
traditional anchoring is we're also

732
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:02,799
exploring some other ideas of smaller

733
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,720
punched openings um that might lend

734
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,880
itself more to an overall masonry

735
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,760
construction again a little more like

736
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,679
the village hall. And like Joe said, um

737
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,679
the materiality is going to be another

738
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:16,399
opportunity to relate back to this

739
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:18,480
building in terms of color and materials

740
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:21,679
and those kinds of selections regardless

741
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,880
of what uh form the the new building

742
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:26,399
takes. Um so in terms of the uh some of

743
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,440
the elements in the scheme are very

744
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:31,760
similar to scheme number two in terms of

745
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,960
um these vertical kind of engaged

746
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,679
columns and some of the um these sort of

747
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:41,279
outriggers that are something a little

748
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:44,279
bit prairie style or craftsman uh in

749
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,279
nature.

750
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,240
So again the similar view towards the

751
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,919
river

752
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,440
and in each scheme we are trying to

753
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,960
think about providing you know some

754
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,360
space where you would want privacy on

755
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:03,399
the inside anyway. It creates a signage

756
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,399
opportunity on the exterior.

757
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,200
So, as we move to the south, again, just

758
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,159
looking at breaking up some of these

759
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,120
areas of glazing, slightly smaller

760
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:19,360
glazing areas, um, balancing some what

761
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,919
might be some additional roofing uh,

762
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,519
costs with maybe less glazing costs.

763
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:27,840
Um and in this scheme, one other

764
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:30,799
difference um on the rear here is that

765
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,279
because of the roof um massing, we've

766
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,600
extended the roof out and made this a

767
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,360
fully covered uh terrace where the

768
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,039
columns go all the way up to support

769
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,519
that roof structure.

770
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:46,799
Uh again, in this scheme, we're showing

771
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,919
a the same kind of riverwalk element

772
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:54,159
with the curve linear

773
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:54,159
design as in scheme two.

774
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,159
you know, knowing that we aren't the

775
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,799
landscape architects, we're the

776
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:03,360
architects, but this building has so

777
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:06,320
much integral relationship with what we

778
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,279
know will be an important river um

779
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,120
feature river future riverwalk. And so,

780
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,559
regardless of, you know, even the early

781
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,000
stages right now, we want to make sure

782
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,760
that the architecture of this new

783
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,640
facility is addressing that outdoor

784
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:22,600
space even at a conceptual level and

785
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,600
being informed by it.

786
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,200
So again, as Joe mentioned, all of the

787
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,799
schemes have that public art opportunity

788
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,080
that you know, if you're enjoying this

789
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:35,960
terrace, you've got a nice view of

790
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,960
that public art opportunity.

791
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,799
And there you can see a little better in

792
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,399
elevation how those kind of roof

793
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,919
elements

794
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:48,799
um relate but don't compete with the

795
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:50,720
village hall.

796
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,240
So just to kind of recap so you can see

797
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,720
them all in one place we thought would

798
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,760
be helpful. Um again I hopefully seeing

799
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,679
them all at once um reiterates the point

800
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:05,120
that we've made about the overall

801
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:08,720
massing the breaking up into public fire

802
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:12,480
support elements and using those towers

803
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:16,919
to anchor the corners and and mimic the

804
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,919
existing village hall in that way.

805
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,280
Sorry.

806
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:25,119
» And again, just this slightly different

807
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,119
riverwalk schemes as placeholders of

808
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,800
that future idea and how this terrace

809
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,599
space might start to relate to a future

810
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,399
riverwalk.

811
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:36,320
Okay. Any you want to stop and take some

812
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,200
questions on the overall schemes or go

813
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,879
all the way through?

814
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,440
» Uh, I'd say go all the way.

815
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:42,440
» All the way through. Great.

816
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:48,119
» We'll turn it over to Yes.

817
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:54,159
» All right. Well, thank you everybody and

818
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:55,679
it's a pleasure to be here and glad to

819
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,960
meet you and I know I've worked with a

820
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,400
couple of you in the past on different

821
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,079
projects, but as a little introduction

822
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,560
again, Chris Kak with Harbor

823
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,240
Contractors. We're a 67y old

824
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,800
construction management contracting

825
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:08,320
company and public safety facilities is

826
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,720
probably one of our primary market

827
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,720
segments. I've been with the company for

828
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,800
23 years and I don't recall a time we

829
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,680
hadn't had an active public safety

830
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,560
project on at any one of those times. So

831
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,640
with our experience on building projects

832
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,000
and current projects and our historical

833
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,240
costs, we kind of work with the Williams

834
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,240
team to help pro provide some validation

835
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:30,560
of the costs and obviously are being

836
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,320
presented with some options and

837
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,920
decisions to show kind of the order of

838
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,040
magnitude impacts of those types of

839
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,839
decisions. So we'll kind of get right

840
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,599
into it. go backwards.

841
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:43,359
So to get right into it, again, we based

842
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,440
everything kind of off of the the scheme

843
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:46,880
one project with initial price and we've

844
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,599
got some details in the background of

845
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,200
that, but try to give some validation of

846
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,599
the different schemes and kind of their

847
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,200
impacts of how things move along and

848
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,400
change. Obviously, if you look at the

849
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,560
concepts, there are some different

850
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,079
things, more roof lines, more glass, and

851
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,480
more windows, and those kind of lead to

852
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:00,960
the

853
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,160
» Sure.

854
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,320
» I'm sorry if I could interrupt.

855
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,280
Absolutely. Could you tell us what when

856
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:10,320
you say scheme one use the terminology

857
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,200
as also that so scheme one is the

858
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,920
dynamic?

859
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,560
» Yes.

860
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,040
» Yes.

861
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640
» Thank you.

862
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,400
» Yep. The scheme one is the dynamic. And

863
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,599
let me see if I go back a couple here.

864
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,440
Where's your recap?

865
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,320
» Yeah. The scheme one is a dynamic.

866
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,079
» Yeah.

867
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:28,320
» And the next one, scheme two, the

868
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:30,160
contextual presence. that would be or um

869
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,560
you know the a lower cost of

870
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,680
approximately $300,000 than the scheme

871
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,720
one

872
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:41,280
» You know you get to go back to scheme

873
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:43,040
three the spatial uh context that one

874
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,480
you know it's basically the same cost as

875
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,839
scheme one you know I mean it shows a

876
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,280
small different thing and then scheme

877
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:51,760
four is the highest cost if you go again

878
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:56,440
you get additional roof lines the extra

879
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,440
canopies and all that So,

880
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,920
so that's the the total project budget

881
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,920
we came up with and and we'll get to the

882
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,480
next slide. It shows it is total project

883
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,079
budget escalation, contingencies, owner

884
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,000
costs and all that. You know, that's one

885
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,599
thing that uh you'll you'll see as we go

886
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,240
through. And then, you know, on top of

887
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:17,200
that, we did the riverw walk allowance

888
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:20,000
of uh additional budget of $3.5 million.

889
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,240
you know, the main patio function of all

890
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000
of the options is in the base number,

891
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,920
but the extension of the river walks

892
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,599
going east and west, and that's kind of

893
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,599
an area that's kind of up for design a

894
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,359
little bit. And then, you know, we did

895
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,480
have another item of renovations to the

896
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,400
existing building. You know, there's

897
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,920
some functions that are leaving this

898
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,599
building. You know, kind of the basement

899
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,359
moving area. You know, we kind of that

900
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,760
as a placeholder of if you're going to

901
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:44,320
do something with those spaces now or

902
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,480
moving on.

903
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,040
So what I want to talk about again this

904
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,720
is probably a really important item of

905
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,839
the total project budget. Um we do this

906
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,920
a lot. We go through a lot of

907
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,200
municipalities who are you know

908
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,560
obviously you're looking what other

909
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,240
people have done and you hear people

910
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,880
talk about project costs of different

911
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,640
projects they've done. It's those

912
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,079
numbers are often all over the place.

913
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,599
Some of them include land, some of them

914
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,520
include owner costs, some of them are

915
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,480
just the building costs. So this

916
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,839
represents the total project budget. you

917
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,520
know, going through there. I mean, the

918
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:18,480
biggest item is the construction costs

919
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:22,000
of the 223, which is about 75% of the

920
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:24,560
total budget. Um, next biggest one is

921
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,079
the soft cost, the owner's cost. You

922
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,000
know, it's going to be design fees,

923
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,280
furniture, a lot of costs that you guys

924
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,400
have to deal with whenever you're doing

925
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,760
a project. You know, it's kind of

926
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,440
all-encompassing of the complete cost.

927
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,599
Um, you know, we have included a

928
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,520
contingency at this point. You know, the

929
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,800
way we put these estimates together,

930
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,480
like I said, we got a lot of experience

931
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,400
doing this. We've worked with Williams

932
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,880
quite a bit. We know even though these

933
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,160
drawings are early stages, we kind of

934
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,680
can envision what they're going to be

935
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040
when they get done completing them. You

936
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,720
know, we know all the details that have

937
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,880
to get added. We've had conversations

938
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,160
with their structural engineers and work

939
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,079
with their civil side. So, we can kind

940
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,240
of anticipate what those things are

941
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,440
going to be, but you know, it's be

942
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,560
foolish at this point not to have a

943
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,599
contingency in there because, you know,

944
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,920
there's going to be things that move

945
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:07,599
around. And we also included an

946
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,240
escalation factor in there. You know,

947
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:12,240
anticipating this would be a 2028 start.

948
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,000
You know, we kind of do that on a, you

949
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,200
know, average continual escalation over

950
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,599
the years. You know, we don't really

951
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,280
factor any current little minor price

952
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,400
impacts. They usually all kind of smooth

953
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,200
out and just kind of go over the

954
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,480
historical, you know, 3 4% goes kind of

955
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:30,160
per year. So, anybody have any questions

956
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:32,000
on the total project budget?

957
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Okay.

958
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,880
If we go to the next one, you know, um,

959
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,400
one of the things we do on many of the

960
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,079
projects, you know, yes, we're a

961
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,160
builder, but we get involved very early

962
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,960
on in these conceptual stages. You know,

963
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,119
not only to help guide those or provide

964
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,400
some cost validation behind those design

965
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:51,599
decisions, but as with every project,

966
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,520
everybody's trying to find the most

967
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,320
economical way to build the project. So

968
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,320
we start looking at options with uh the

969
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,520
Williams team as they're going through

970
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,200
design for you know are there ways for

971
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,400
cost reductions. You know there's kind

972
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,079
of two major categories A and B. There's

973
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,359
permanent changes. You know decisions

974
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,440
that you'll make that you can't really

975
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:12,960
go back on you know of cutting the

976
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,320
building in half or taking off a floor

977
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,040
or something like that. You know major

978
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,800
decisions or major program changes of

979
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,960
reducing square footages. Those are

980
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,760
difficult to come back with. The next

981
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,480
one is bid alternates or future phases.

982
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,079
It's portions of a project that we can

983
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,160
establish when it gets to the point of

984
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:32,400
this thing goes out for trade contractor

985
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:36,079
bidding alternate pricing. They can be

986
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,599
either ads or deducts of hey at uh the

987
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,040
build out of this room. You know, they

988
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,560
will provide the actual pricing. That

989
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,880
decision can be made when you get the

990
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,680
real final numbers at bid time. So

991
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,920
that's a good strategy to, you know,

992
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,320
kind of maximize your budget and also

993
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,640
not, you know, get in a situation where

994
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,920
you eliminate something and go, "Oh man,

995
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,680
we got really good numbers. The bids

996
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,119
came in really well." You know, in 2008

997
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,359
the economy was a perfect timing for

998
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,720
bidding. And we wish we wouldn't have

999
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:02,400
made that change. It gives you those

1000
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,800
options to have those things in there

1001
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,560
and choose as you go. So, you know,

1002
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,000
initial options, just talking, you know,

1003
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,280
and work with the Williams teams, we

1004
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040
came up about $ three and a half million

1005
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,960
dollars of just initial options. That's

1006
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,839
kind of a first round of that. And it's

1007
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,839
kind of a continued effort during the

1008
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:19,359
design and pre-construction. You know,

1009
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:21,200
the way we work with the Williams teams

1010
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:23,359
is as they're coming up with an option

1011
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,880
or something, they won't completely

1012
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:26,319
spend the time and effort fully to

1013
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,240
design it out. They'll they'll consult

1014
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:30,079
with us. We'll work with them and guide

1015
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:32,000
them along the way of, hey, this is a

1016
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,520
more economical way to do it or, you

1017
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,119
know, here's a couple options you can

1018
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,440
consider as you're going through the

1019
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:39,599
design. But you know some of the options

1020
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,680
we've investigated are you know

1021
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,200
reduction in program spaces you know

1022
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,800
those are things obviously you spent a

1023
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,240
lot of time working on a program but you

1024
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,920
know sometimes choices have to be made

1025
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,839
and that's something to look at and you

1026
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,000
know evaluate it and look at those as

1027
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:54,319
you go through. You know the other thing

1028
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,920
is build the shell and core with future

1029
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:58,400
buildouts. You know, it's quite common

1030
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,160
thing we do with a lot of clients where,

1031
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,760
you know, hey, you design a portion of

1032
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,040
the building, you build the entire shell

1033
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,400
and cord, everything's there. You just

1034
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,240
don't put the finishes in and it's

1035
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,079
either funded as a separate project or

1036
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,400
bid as an alternate or something that

1037
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:12,000
could be a future phase of the project.

1038
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,599
You know, the west parking lot, you

1039
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,599
know, kind of the same thing we had in

1040
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,280
the budget, reconstructing the west

1041
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:19,440
parking lot, you know, and new paving

1042
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,800
and getting that, you know, uh, cleaned

1043
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,319
up and a little bit, you know, that

1044
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,560
could be a separate project later down

1045
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:25,520
the road. Um, you know, West Garage

1046
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,800
Drive, you know, we've got the

1047
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,240
drive-thru of the garage, you know,

1048
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,400
running through, you know, from east to

1049
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,599
west with the two garage doors. Same

1050
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,839
thing. That's something it could be a

1051
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,640
bid alternate or, you know, done as a

1052
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:38,400
future phase on the project. Um, you

1053
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,760
know, reduction amount of windows, you

1054
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,040
know, that's something, you know, as you

1055
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,920
look at the different concepts, you

1056
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,680
know, that's something that could be

1057
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
applied to any one of these concepts.

1058
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
You know, obviously that's one of the

1059
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,160
more expensive items in any project is

1060
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,880
the glass is more expensive than the

1061
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,440
masonry. So, it's something to look at.

1062
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,640
um alternative exterior materials. You

1063
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,480
know, we've already worked with the

1064
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Williams team on the actual structural

1065
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,760
design of the building to kind of uh

1066
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,920
bring some costs a little bit more in

1067
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,480
line with that. But alternate materials,

1068
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,240
you know, that's something, you know,

1069
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,599
not necessarily could be a wholesale

1070
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,520
change in materials or it could be

1071
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,520
selective materials. And Whim's very

1072
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
good at mixing different materials and

1073
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,640
making it flow very well with their

1074
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,359
designs, but that's something we look at

1075
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,880
as options as we go through the project.

1076
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:20,720
Um, you know, there's other things of

1077
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,680
elimination of the ornamental stair, you

1078
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,680
know, going to something more

1079
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,839
traditional with than the kind of

1080
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,839
grander lobby that's in there. And then,

1081
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:29,119
you know, some open office space

1082
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,400
layouts, you know, I mean, that's

1083
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,760
something to look at a little more of a

1084
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000
different concept where you have more of

1085
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,920
a cubicle type arrangement than offices.

1086
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Obviously, given the nature of this

1087
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,599
facility, some of those things are need

1088
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,920
to be separate, you know, separate

1089
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,240
private offices, but it's an option to

1090
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,040
look at. So pretty much it's it's to

1091
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:50,160
provide kind of a guideline, a path of

1092
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:52,079
moving forward and continually looking

1093
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,800
at options throughout the process of

1094
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,720
what's the most economical way to meet

1095
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,400
your guys' vision. So that's kind of

1096
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:01,040
where we provide that support and help

1097
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,920
with that along the way. So any

1098
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:07,839
questions on that cost reduction process

1099
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:10,800
or thoughts?

1100
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:12,079
» We'll go through uh this. Yeah, once you

1101
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,160
guys are done, we'll we'll go through

1102
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,760
this in more detail.

1103
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,760
» Absolutely. I think that's the last

1104
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,760
slide.

1105
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,839
» We got one.

1106
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,440
» Thank you, Chris. So, um just to wrap up

1107
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,920
and then um open everything up for

1108
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,760
questions and for feedback. um next

1109
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,160
steps. We certainly want to hear from

1110
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,760
all of you um what you um what you're

1111
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,920
thinking, what questions you have, what

1112
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,680
preferences you have. Anything that you

1113
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,480
want to say, don't ever show us again.

1114
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,800
It's all um it's all on the table and

1115
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,680
the goal is to show you a number of

1116
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,599
options um so that we can work together

1117
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,160
to get um to the solution that's in the

1118
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,680
best interest of the community. So um as

1119
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,920
we mentioned, we we'll have this

1120
00:44:53,680 --> 00:45:00,240
discussion tonight, answer questions you

1121
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:02,960
have. We want to um if we are not if you

1122
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:05,520
all coales around a particular exterior

1123
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,119
idea that's wonderful. That is not our

1124
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,280
expectation or our goal for this

1125
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:12,640
evening. It's merely to receive

1126
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,640
feedback. If you wish as a um village

1127
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,480
board to sort of narrow the funnel um

1128
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,520
for preservation

1129
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:22,240
certainly um is is something you can

1130
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,720
choose to do. Um but um our next steps

1131
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:27,599
are to present this um to that group and

1132
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:30,480
then to start the engagement process to

1133
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:32,480
um inform the community um not only

1134
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,880
about the design for this project and

1135
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,800
the options for this project um but to

1136
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,119
work with staff and work with all of you

1137
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,440
around the underlying need. Why are we

1138
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:44,000
doing this? Why is this necessary? Why

1139
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,960
are we doing it now? So, um that is all

1140
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,680
coming up in um in the coming weeks and

1141
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,240
months, but um it's a lot of

1142
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,319
information. Um we're doing a public

1143
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,160
safety facility with fire and a lot of

1144
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:58,480
information sort of through a proverbial

1145
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,160
fire hose. So, at this point, love to

1146
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,960
turn it over to you for questions and

1147
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,400
comments.

1148
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,079
» Thank you. Um in order for us to you

1149
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,440
know, there's a lot to digest here

1150
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:11,520
obviously. uh and in order I want to

1151
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,400
organize how we proceed with our

1152
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,440
discussion. I have a suggestion but I

1153
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,319
I'm open to to uh other other

1154
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:25,040
considerations. I would suggest we go

1155
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:27,040
through the visuals first one at a time.

1156
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Maybe we say what we like and don't like

1157
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,319
about each one and uh then we get into

1158
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,160
the cost reduction um

1159
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:38,560
uh discussion because the cost reduction

1160
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,119
applies equally more or less to all the

1161
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:44,079
different options. Right. Yeah. Does

1162
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:46,400
that work for the trustees?

1163
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:48,000
» So I'd like to start with the site plan

1164
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,000
because I have one comment on the site

1165
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000
plan.

1166
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,440
» Thank you.

1167
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,920
I'll just stay right here.

1168
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,400
» And and this relates to the cost savings

1169
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,640
stuff, too. My

1170
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,040
comment when I f saw this over the

1171
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,880
weekend was, do we really need that west

1172
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,560
drive at all? Uh, and so I asked manager

1173
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,079
Francis that and I believe the answer

1174
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,560
was not really.

1175
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,720
» No. Um, initially when we were talking

1176
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,920
about that drive, it was when we were

1177
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:22,800
conceptually thinking about having the

1178
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,640
the fire apparatus kind of swinging

1179
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,440
around, but that changed and evolved

1180
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,920
over time. So that additional access

1181
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,160
point is is not needed and actually that

1182
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,800
will probably help free up space for a

1183
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,599
trash enclosure

1184
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,599
» And it could be repurp or could be used

1185
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,079
in the future as more public space as

1186
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,480
well.

1187
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:45,839
» Sure. It's valuable riverfront space to

1188
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:48,240
have unnecessary drive

1189
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:50,640
doesn't seem necessary.

1190
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:53,200
» But sort of the site plan question leads

1191
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,119
into another one of my

1192
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,000
questions about all the schemes and that

1193
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:01,520
is um for the mechanicals for the

1194
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,280
buildings. Um you know a lot of places

1195
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:08,480
put their air conditioner condensers on

1196
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:11,119
the roof. I just wasn't clear on where

1197
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,680
the intended place for that was and

1198
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:16,000
whether they would be visible or somehow

1199
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,680
enclosed.

1200
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,839
» Sure. I I can I can answer that

1201
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,640
question. And um we're we haven't

1202
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:25,839
determined the um the exact mechanical

1203
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,920
systems for the project, but um it's

1204
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:30,559
very likely that we'd have something for

1205
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,880
cooling and ventilation on the roof um

1206
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,200
which would be fully screened. um that

1207
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,839
lower roof over the apparatus bays is an

1208
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,599
ideal place for that. Um I have not

1209
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:41,599
studied your zoning ordinance in great

1210
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,119
detail, but I'm relatively certain that

1211
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,920
it would require screening of those

1212
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:48,720
units. So um that would handle a lot of

1213
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,200
the ventilation and cooling heating. Um

1214
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:54,640
we can we can look at options indoors.

1215
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,960
Um we do like to do these facilities um

1216
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,400
with hot water heat um and then air

1217
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,960
handling units which could be in the

1218
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,880
basement mechanical rooms. But um we do

1219
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,640
anticipate some degree of equipment on

1220
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,079
the roof and for that equipment to be

1221
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,559
screened.

1222
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:12,480
» Are there um any of the particular

1223
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:15,599
designs that would be um more amendable

1224
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,599
to that? I mean it seems like some of

1225
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,760
them are pretty

1226
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:22,160
um flat and low.

1227
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,280
» Yeah, I think it's something we have to

1228
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,960
study to be very honest. In my mind, um

1229
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:31,520
the the more contemporary or the the low

1230
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,240
slope or flat roof concepts um that have

1231
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:37,839
more horizontal elements lend themselves

1232
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:39,839
to um those mechanical enclosures a

1233
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:42,559
little better because we could use more

1234
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:46,160
horizontal elements to help with that

1235
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:48,240
screening. But um if the desire of um

1236
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,400
the village is to explore something that

1237
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:53,520
has those more traditional forms, we can

1238
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,760
find ways to to screen in in ways that

1239
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,559
that make sense. We we work on projects

1240
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:01,200
all the time where it looks like a

1241
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:03,280
sloped roof building from the street and

1242
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,680
um somewhere in the center invisible to

1243
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,599
anybody except someone who has a drone

1244
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,200
or somebody flying over. Um you've got

1245
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,079
some accounts and stuff there.

1246
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,599
» Wonderful. Thank you.

1247
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,480
» So I think we can work that up no matter

1248
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:17,680
what. Okay. Any other questions or

1249
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,440
comments on the site plan?

1250
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,599
Is there a general agreement to

1251
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,839
eliminate the West Drive?

1252
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:28,720
» Yes.

1253
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:30,480
» Great. Um, so let's move on to the uh

1254
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,440
dynamic

1255
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,040
response. Was that was Yeah. So, and

1256
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,440
before we get into that detail, I just

1257
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:41,359
want to answer one question that I know

1258
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:43,520
we we all have had or I've heard is uh

1259
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:45,520
we're not at the stage where we could

1260
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,839
say what we're doing to make this an

1261
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,000
environmentally friendly building, but

1262
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:52,160
we will be and it will be an

1263
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,800
environmentally friendly building to the

1264
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:58,720
extent possible. uh meaning bird

1265
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:01,599
friendly windows uh meaning uh efficient

1266
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:04,800
uh utilities all the stuff that goes

1267
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:07,200
into making a building sustainable. So

1268
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,599
that will be a priority. It's just we're

1269
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,319
not there yet.

1270
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:16,559
So dynamic response,

1271
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:18,640
what do you like or dislike about it?

1272
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,359
» Anybody?

1273
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,839
Aine?

1274
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:27,040
» I actually like this one a lot. Um, I

1275
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:30,319
really like the fact that it has, um,

1276
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:33,280
some angularity to it. Um, it's

1277
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:36,640
contemporary. I see, you know, in the

1278
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:39,359
section that's behind the, um, Riverside

1279
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,520
logo that there's some, uh, you know,

1280
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:44,480
horizontal banding, which suggests to me

1281
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,559
that warm wood that you sometimes see in

1282
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:50,880
in contemporary glass like you were

1283
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:54,240
talking about. um kind of softening or

1284
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,480
harmonizing with materials

1285
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,319
um you know something that is of a

1286
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,760
different time period with its

1287
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:04,880
surrounding architecture. So, um, you

1288
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:08,640
know, this, uh, is very intriguing to me

1289
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,480
and, um, you know, I'm always I always

1290
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,319
kind of wonder a little bit about like

1291
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,240
the pitch of the roof or is it flat?

1292
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:17,599
Like, I can't exactly tell what's going

1293
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:19,920
on with it, um, and how that works with

1294
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:24,000
drainage and things like that, but I

1295
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:26,960
really think it's a um, very energetic

1296
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,800
and dynamic building. So, congrats on

1297
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,200
the initial concept. Um, I'm not sure

1298
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,119
about the Riverwalk. Um, you know,

1299
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:39,440
having that be straight

1300
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:43,599
as straight as it is. I mean, that's

1301
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:46,640
very very angular. Um, but in general, I

1302
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:49,920
think uh there's a lot of positive

1303
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:52,559
things to be said about this one.

1304
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:56,000
» I completely agree with you.

1305
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:58,559
» All right. So, there you go. Um, when I

1306
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,640
look at all four of them,

1307
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:04,000
the this first one is the one that I

1308
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,960
actually had an emotional response to. I

1309
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,040
actually felt like architecture is such

1310
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,520
a big deal in Riverside and we have so

1311
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,520
many different architectural styles

1312
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,920
incorporated

1313
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,400
and

1314
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,960
this to me is a visually interesting

1315
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:24,480
building that doesn't try and blend in.

1316
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:26,720
It doesn't it's in it in itself

1317
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,800
It is interesting.

1318
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:32,559
I also feel like um I worked on a

1319
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,920
college campus for over a decade and

1320
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,640
obviously there were always we were

1321
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,240
always building and every time we tried

1322
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,960
to build something that looked a lot

1323
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:43,200
like something else, it was never

1324
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,800
received well because it never looked

1325
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:50,160
enough like it and it never it was

1326
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,160
trying to be something else. And one of

1327
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,720
the things I really like about this is

1328
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,119
it's not trying to be like the building

1329
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,640
that's directly next to it, which is

1330
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,319
something that is awesome in Riverside

1331
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,240
that you can have two houses. You can

1332
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:04,240
have a Victorian right next to a

1333
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:09,520
Franklidd Wright, right next to a

1334
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:12,960
bungalow. And so I really liked

1335
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,640
the way that the lines kind of called to

1336
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,680
the building next to it and were

1337
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:21,359
cohesive with it, but it was its own

1338
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:23,440
building. it was its own design. Um,

1339
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:25,359
that was really, like I said, this is

1340
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,960
the only one I actually had a response

1341
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:29,680
to. The rest of them I was like, well,

1342
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,440
these are fine. Um, the other thing I

1343
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,599
love about this one is I love all the

1344
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,000
glass and I feel like if you are inside

1345
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:38,160
this building, you're going to get a ton

1346
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,400
of natural light and feel much more like

1347
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:44,559
you're in nature. Um, way more so than,

1348
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,119
you know, it was we were talking with

1349
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,559
the last scheme where the openings were

1350
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:51,280
smaller and stuff. I really felt like

1351
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:53,599
this would feel much more connected to

1352
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,000
the river and the forest that's around

1353
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:59,000
it more so than some of the other

1354
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,000
designs.

1355
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:05,839
» Any other comments on this?

1356
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:09,760
» I have a question. So, it looks like the

1357
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:12,079
the the roof on scheme one it's pitched.

1358
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,440
Is it does it go like this or is it

1359
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,520
straight across the top?

1360
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,559
» I mean it it will have a pitch to drink

1361
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,160
water.

1362
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,960
» There are number of way that we handle

1363
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,319
that. Um and and even with the p pitched

1364
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,319
roof beyond that fascia element that is

1365
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:28,240
the large horizontal band, you know,

1366
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:31,119
would stay flat.

1367
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,720
» So um it may be a little bit of optical

1368
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:35,119
illusion with the way that it bends

1369
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,440
around the turret. It does kind of look

1370
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,280
as though it's peeking up, but the

1371
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,680
intent is that it be a really strong

1372
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,119
horizontal band of facial all the way

1373
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:47,400
around the building. And that movement

1374
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:47,400
is more in plan view.

1375
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:57,839
Uh, I'm happy to provide my my thoughts.

1376
00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:01,119
Um, initially this wasn't my favorite,

1377
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:03,839
although I liked it. I still like it.

1378
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:07,119
Uh, Trusty Marsha and Trusty Cost may

1379
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:10,319
convince me that it's the favorite. But

1380
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:12,559
what I do like about it a lot is all the

1381
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:15,440
glass on the front side. Mhm.

1382
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:19,280
» I mean, I think that is

1383
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:22,559
it's symbolic of transparency. Uh, it

1384
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:26,160
connects it to the exterior.

1385
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:30,960
Um, I I really like that part of it. I

1386
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,960
like the horizontal lines. I like the uh

1387
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,839
small thing, but I really like the sign

1388
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,079
freeze above the garage doors, the

1389
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:41,520
opportunity to have that branding there,

1390
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:43,200
that Riverside Public Safety Center. Um,

1391
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,200
I realize you could do that in other

1392
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,839
ways on other elevations, but on this

1393
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,839
one it's got a nice perfect It's like

1394
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:53,440
it's designed to have that. It would

1395
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:57,680
look empty without the sign on it.

1396
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:59,440
Um what I am hesitant about with it is

1397
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,799
the blank wall that we're looking at

1398
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:06,160
right now where the uh uh you know on

1399
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:10,000
the left side of the the the bays and

1400
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:14,799
then on the back side.

1401
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:16,640
Um yes I like that. Okay. Initially I

1402
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:19,119
thought there was too much blank walls

1403
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,000
but maybe maybe not. Maybe not.

1404
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,319
» Sorry.

1405
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,319
um or that from that perspective it made

1406
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:25,839
me feel like there were too many blank

1407
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:30,119
walls.

1408
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:30,119
Um but

1409
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,839
those were my thoughts. Does anyone else

1410
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:39,119
want to weigh in?

1411
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:42,160
We'll go on to the Go ahead.

1412
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:44,480
» Um I like all of them. I think we all do

1413
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:47,599
great work on it and I like how the

1414
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,200
facade is broken up. For me, this design

1415
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,040
doesn't break it up enough. And I know

1416
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,720
that's intentional to take that straight

1417
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,520
line all the way across the main part of

1418
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,960
the building.

1419
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,280
Just my personal preference. I don't

1420
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,280
care for that.

1421
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,880
» Uh I would just like to say your

1422
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,839
emphasis on the windows in the back just

1423
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:13,440
because that's the that's overlooking

1424
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:15,359
the river which is our most important.

1425
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,559
say that one of the comments on this

1426
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:18,960
scheme in particular that

1427
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:21,440
» Can you go to the podium please?

1428
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,440
» Sorry just one of the comments on this

1429
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,280
scheme from the group about the glass

1430
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,319
from the riverside was a concern for

1431
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,920
vandalism. They do get a there are as we

1432
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:32,960
were having this discussion walking

1433
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,040
through broken windows facing the river.

1434
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,799
And so from a practical standpoint, we

1435
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:40,319
wanted to again show a variety of

1436
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:42,000
options um if more glazing for views and

1437
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:43,920
and that's why in this scheme we did

1438
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,880
really try to focus in on where are

1439
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,400
people um occupying the space for long

1440
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,960
periods of time and having views from

1441
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,799
the living spaces, the apparatus bay at

1442
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,920
the lower level that's more prone to

1443
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:58,559
damage from both inside and out. Um and

1444
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,799
then focusing the glass more on the

1445
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:04,480
community space where it will have the

1446
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:06,799
views. But um as mentioned uh any of

1447
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,799
these comments about where you do or

1448
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:11,040
don't want more glass, you know, we can

1449
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:12,160
translate those comments easily to any

1450
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,480
of the schemes.

1451
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,760
» Are they designed as all windows or is

1452
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:20,000
it just a sort of a strip of windows?

1453
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,839
» I mean typically when we have a large

1454
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,839
expansive glass like this, it will

1455
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:25,440
either be a curtain wall system or a

1456
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:27,280
storefront system. So it's not all

1457
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,440
operable if that's what So we would

1458
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:32,319
design certain amount of actual

1459
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,960
ventilation open windows that can open

1460
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:36,960
within that system, but it would not all

1461
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,319
be operable if that's

1462
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,119
» You mean open and close?

1463
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,960
» Yes. Sorry.

1464
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:43,200
» No, I wasn't really thinking about that.

1465
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,720
I just wanted to know how big the

1466
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,200
windows are. It looks like there's only

1467
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,880
a strip of windows, not the whole space,

1468
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,440
the whole area of the squares.

1469
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,839
» I see. I think you're seeing the ceiling

1470
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,160
going through and so that looks solid.

1471
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,200
Yes. Yeah, I see what you're saying now.

1472
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:02,240
» So, uh that is ceiling beyond.

1473
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:04,799
» I see it. And then actually in this

1474
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,760
space, if you're in the this is the

1475
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:10,240
dining room, um there are glass there

1476
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,200
are windows um looking over the

1477
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,960
apparatus bay on the other side. So, and

1478
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,599
there's also windows lower looking from

1479
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,680
that space into the apparatus bay. So, I

1480
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:22,079
think you're actually seeing I'm going

1481
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:25,520
to go the other way.

1482
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,480
Nope, wrong way.

1483
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,960
These windows showing through

1484
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,880
» From the back view is what is kind of

1485
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,359
throwing off that view of the glass.

1486
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,920
Thank you for

1487
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:38,920
pointing that out.

1488
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,880
» Also, I just want to mention where you

1489
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,440
see the most windows are the public

1490
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,839
spaces because that was staff's focus as

1491
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,920
we met with Williams.

1492
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:55,280
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to have

1493
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,000
windows. I don't I mean, it'd be cool to

1494
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,799
have textual design, textual

1495
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,440
architecture design in the bottom part

1496
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:04,799
where the bay is, but it doesn't make

1497
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,280
sense to have windows there because

1498
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:08,480
that's where all the trucks are and

1499
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,680
stuff like that. You know, like you

1500
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,680
said, they can get damaged that that's

1501
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,440
not a great spot for I mean, as much as

1502
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,640
I would love it, there's not a lot to

1503
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,200
see and there's not a lot of people

1504
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,680
looking even from inside. There aren't

1505
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,920
people looking outside.

1506
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,319
» Yeah, it it may be that the selection of

1507
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,000
exterior materials will

1508
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:31,000
» Impact this view a lot.

1509
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,000
» Yeah.

1510
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,040
» As well as the landscape and ramp

1511
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,200
design, you know, other things that we

1512
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,480
use to fill it to fill in that lower

1513
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,799
space. Um there's opportunities both for

1514
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:46,880
landscaping and material change to make

1515
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:48,799
sure that's not a large blank facade.

1516
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,559
Any

1517
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:54,640
other comments on this one?

1518
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,640
» So, let's uh talk about number two,

1519
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,640
contextual.

1520
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,000
» Sorry,

1521
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,400
they're really small on my screen.

1522
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,200
So, I'm seeing a lot of the same shapes

1523
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,880
roughly.

1524
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:13,480
» There you go.

1525
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,480
» That's where we go.

1526
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:24,119
There we go. Contextual

1527
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,400
» Justice.

1528
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,400
» This is my favorite one. Again, I like

1529
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:36,160
how it's broken up. I like this there's

1530
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:39,720
a lot of vertical lines to it. And of

1531
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,720
course, the windows.

1532
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,839
I like this one less because I liked the

1533
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:49,920
horizontality of the other one and I

1534
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:53,440
feel like the columns here are

1535
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,720
distracting in a way um that they're

1536
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,440
just

1537
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:59,440
» They're kind of like

1538
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,920
added

1539
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:05,359
just so we could have columns and I

1540
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:10,200
don't it doesn't speak to the it doesn't

1541
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:10,200
really speak to function for me. So,

1542
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:17,039
» I have a question about the the entry,

1543
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:19,520
the main entry. Is it a triangle in

1544
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:21,520
between the two buildings?

1545
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:25,359
Is it smaller?

1546
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,480
What is the shape of the lobby?

1547
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:26,880
» Where the truck is. Are you talking

1548
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,680
about? Yeah.

1549
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,240
» Oh, okay.

1550
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,960
» So, just as a reminder, I'll opine and

1551
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,920
then Williams can fill in the gaps. So,

1552
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,559
we're going to be taking down where

1553
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,960
basically the fire trucks are, right?

1554
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:45,839
Because that was an old addition. Um,

1555
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,079
all the fire equipment and then you have

1556
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:50,400
offices currently on the outside of

1557
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:52,640
that. So, all of that would be removed.

1558
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,160
So, what you're seeing in creating that

1559
01:03:52,640 --> 01:04:00,000
connection are is the connection to the

1560
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:05,039
historic building which occupies where

1561
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:08,640
uh our front desk is. Um it also has uh

1562
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:10,799
different areas as it relates to police

1563
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,799
uh other like copier equipment, those

1564
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:14,799
types of things. And so it's kind of

1565
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:17,920
mirroring the existing building,

1566
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:20,079
creating that lobby connection to then

1567
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:22,559
the the new building. So it would be

1568
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:25,359
somewhat triangular, but it it'll be

1569
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:29,720
open as it's kind of illustrated there.

1570
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:29,720
Does that make sense? Okay.

1571
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:44,640
What I liked about this one was the the

1572
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:47,640
roof line, the cornice line.

1573
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,640
Um,

1574
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,559
you know,

1575
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:56,799
puts a definitive

1576
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:58,799
end on the height of the building. Um,

1577
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:01,520
which probably, you know, gives it a

1578
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:04,160
little bit better relationship to the to

1579
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:07,119
the town hall building.

1580
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:10,880
Um,

1581
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:14,359
the uh turrets or the columns, if you'll

1582
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,359
go back to that,

1583
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:19,520
that corner piece on the left has

1584
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:22,960
windows. It has it has a cap. It's like

1585
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:26,640
a traditional Roman column or whatever.

1586
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:28,319
I think it'd be an ionic column.

1587
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,599
Um,

1588
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:31,039
or Doric.

1589
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,359
» Doric is the one with the swirls at the

1590
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,240
top.

1591
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:36,880
» Ionic. Ionic has the it has the curls.

1592
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,640
Corinthian has the

1593
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,640
» Leaves. Right.

1594
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,720
» So, it's Doric. Ionic.

1595
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,319
» Corinthian.

1596
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,400
» Doric. The simplest.

1597
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:51,480
» Please tell me you got that on tape.

1598
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:51,480
Please tell me some of you that was all

1599
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:59,039
» My work is done.

1600
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:02,400
» Um

1601
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:05,599
I I like the backside of this one.

1602
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:09,760
Um but quite honestly equally I I like

1603
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:11,359
that it's cost less.

1604
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,359
Um,

1605
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:16,640
I mean that's not a deal. That's, you

1606
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:19,119
know, it's doesn't cost enough less

1607
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:23,359
to where if I, you know, didn't like it,

1608
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:26,599
I'd do it. But, um, but that's a plus in

1609
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:26,599
its column.

1610
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:34,720
» I I mean, I I I like this one. I feel

1611
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,480
like it's But I feel like it's fine.

1612
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,559
» It's not as exciting.

1613
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,200
» That's how I feel. It's fine.

1614
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,480
» It's not as risky, not as exciting.

1615
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:47,039
» Yeah. And I feel like we're such an

1616
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,960
architectural village, right? It's

1617
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:51,200
architecture is so important to so many

1618
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,960
people in this village that having

1619
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,559
something that's just kind of

1620
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,079
» Fine or like, you know,

1621
01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:01,680
I'm I'm not I don't want to offend

1622
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:03,760
anybody. I'm really sorry, but like it

1623
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,760
looks like a lovely strip mall or like a

1624
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,920
I mean like a really lovely one. Not

1625
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,880
like your gross corn, you know, but like

1626
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,240
it looks it's like a lovely strip mall

1627
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,680
kind of thing and I don't feel like it

1628
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:17,440
has the like wow.

1629
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,240
» Yeah.

1630
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:22,240
Okay.

1631
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:25,200
» Any other comments on this one?

1632
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:29,640
» I agree with Trustee Cos.

1633
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,640
We are never like this. This is awesome.

1634
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,280
Well, let's uh move on to number three.

1635
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,280
Spatial framing

1636
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,720
» To me. This one's similar to the first

1637
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:45,720
one. Not the same, but has a lot of

1638
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,720
similarities.

1639
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,680
» The lines are a little bit more broken

1640
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,680
up.

1641
01:07:54,799 --> 01:08:02,799
» Any other comments on this one or

1642
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:03,520
You said that it was um a craftsman

1643
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:05,359
style.

1644
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,599
» That was the windows

1645
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:09,200
» Two

1646
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:10,720
more.

1647
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,680
» I'm sorry. Two and four.

1648
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,640
» Oh, okay.

1649
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:16,319
» Two and four.

1650
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,560
» This is a little more modern in the

1651
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,799
same.

1652
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,560
» Can you go to the microphone, please?

1653
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:22,239
» I can't pick it up for our audio if it's

1654
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,440
not on the mic. I apologize. I

1655
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:25,279
apologize.

1656
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:27,920
Um, anyone can answer these questions

1657
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:30,400
for our team, but um, yeah, this one has

1658
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:34,080
a little bit more of a modern references

1659
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:36,960
in the framing lines, whereas op scheme

1660
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,159
um, two and four did have some what we

1661
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,279
would consider more traditional

1662
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:45,040
Craftsman detailing with um, the deep

1663
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:46,719
overhangs and the um, the detailing of

1664
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,279
kind of the outriggers supporting that

1665
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:51,120
roof line.

1666
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:55,040
But, you know, that can be accentuated

1667
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:57,679
or or not in terms of the detailing of

1668
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:01,520
the building. So,

1669
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:04,640
this one seems just too modern.

1670
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:09,359
I don't know if it would look

1671
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:13,480
as nice next to the township building.

1672
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:13,480
Looks very modern to me.

1673
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,319
» A little too busy and distracting.

1674
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,319
» Yeah.

1675
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:27,040
I wasn't too I wasn't didn't didn't

1676
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,480
really like the uh if you'll go to that

1677
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:33,279
the backside perspective.

1678
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:37,560
» Yeah. Well, no, not that one. What the

1679
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:37,560
the swinging bridge side?

1680
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:42,480
» This one.

1681
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:45,120
» That's good. That's good.

1682
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:47,040
the the framing of the columns on the

1683
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,759
edges at the corners and the framing of

1684
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:54,400
the window bays

1685
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:58,360
seemed to me to be not natural.

1686
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,360
Something like that. Not organic.

1687
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,920
» Interesting.

1688
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:04,800
» Um,

1689
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:08,080
so

1690
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:11,280
speak for myself, either one or two I'd

1691
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,960
prefer over this one.

1692
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,960
Does anybody feel any differently from

1693
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,960
that?

1694
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,239
» Good. We can move on to number four.

1695
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:32,520
» Traditional anchoring. This is the most

1696
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:32,520
expensive one, right?

1697
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:38,239
» And that's I'm guessing because of the

1698
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:43,400
roof almost entirely, if not entirely,

1699
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:43,400
» Which I did like the roof. this one.

1700
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:52,239
» Others comments.

1701
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:54,640
» Uh, this is my least favorite one. Uh,

1702
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:57,120
again, I'm sorry, Alex, but I don't love

1703
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:00,239
the roof. Um, I also don't love that the

1704
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:03,440
windows are are smaller and choppier. I

1705
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:06,159
like seeing the expanse of windows.

1706
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:08,320
I think it's

1707
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,920
Yeah, I I I just think it's more

1708
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:13,040
interesting.

1709
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,800
with the expansive windows. And I I

1710
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,800
don't know.

1711
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:19,760
Yeah. Again, I worry what I worry about

1712
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:22,159
with this one is that it's gonna look

1713
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,920
like that. We tried really hard to make

1714
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:26,000
it sort of look like the building that's

1715
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,600
next to it, but it doesn't really look

1716
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,600
like the building that's next to it. And

1717
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,679
that people are going to be like, "We

1718
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,520
tried, but we didn't." And it's going to

1719
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:37,199
look not right.

1720
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:40,239
Not that you wouldn't do a fantastic job

1721
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:42,880
on it, but

1722
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:44,800
» But you're you're absolutely correct,

1723
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:48,560
trusty cause, and you've commented

1724
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:50,159
before. I think historic preservation

1725
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,960
preservationists would say the same

1726
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:55,040
thing. Don't try to look just like the

1727
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:58,320
other building.

1728
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:01,440
Be respectful of the other building, but

1729
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:03,280
don't try to copy it.

1730
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,360
» Exactly.

1731
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:07,199
That's a fine line. I know. But

1732
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,560
» No, no, no. You're right. Because I can

1733
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:10,960
understand if if you did have the same

1734
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,960
shingles on both buildings, then you are

1735
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,560
trying to mimic it. After two different

1736
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:17,679
ones, it still wouldn't compliment it

1737
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,679
quite well. At number one, it does have

1738
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:21,520
a very nice complimentary horizontal

1739
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:23,360
line.

1740
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,000
It does pay some homage to it as well.

1741
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:28,480
So, um, while I was impressed with this

1742
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:33,440
one, it's not my favorite. I would think

1743
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:33,440
number one, probably the best one.

1744
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:40,000
So, given what I'm hearing, does this

1745
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:43,440
rise above one or two for anybody?

1746
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:47,360
» Good. But we're down to two.

1747
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:51,280
Um, and I would suggest

1748
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:53,600
that uh we send those two to to our

1749
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,400
preservation commission

1750
01:12:53,600 --> 01:13:00,560
saying here's what

1751
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:02,560
we like and ask for their feedback.

1752
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,679
Emily, can you put the four up again?

1753
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,120
» Yeah.

1754
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:06,719
» Thank you.

1755
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,239
» Yeah, this is four.

1756
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:10,640
» No, four.

1757
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:14,120
» All four. Sorry.

1758
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,120
» Page 175.

1759
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:27,520
» I think that's a good suggestion.

1760
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:30,159
So that's the plan based on the board's

1761
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:33,120
discussion is the next step is the April

1762
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:37,159
9th preservation meeting that we would

1763
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,159
solicit additional feedback

1764
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,480
» And want to send one and two to them. Is

1765
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,880
that what we're doing?

1766
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:43,360
» Mhm.

1767
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,199
» What's that?

1768
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,520
» We're going to send schemes one and two.

1769
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:46,880
» Yes.

1770
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,480
» Okay.

1771
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,640
Well, I mean they can look at all four

1772
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,199
of them because this is on our website,

1773
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:51,840
but

1774
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,239
» Yeah,

1775
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:57,280
» The direction would be the village board

1776
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:59,600
is asking for their response to one or

1777
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,199
two. If

1778
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,199
they like if they have comments about

1779
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:05,840
three or four, I wouldn't stop them from

1780
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,320
commenting, but

1781
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,280
» You know,

1782
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,280
» Free speech and all.

1783
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,280
» Yeah.

1784
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:16,800
So, let's uh let's next go to the cost

1785
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,960
reduction page.

1786
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,320
Wait, could we just say one more thing

1787
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,800
about scheme one?

1788
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,840
» Yeah.

1789
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:28,400
» So, I think your feedback was that the

1790
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:29,920
the side the east facing side was too

1791
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,480
plain.

1792
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,080
» Well, it's more that

1793
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:36,640
that blank column that faces the street.

1794
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,520
» Yeah.

1795
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,199
» Yeah. So, it's the doors just that one

1796
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,960
column.

1797
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,719
And maybe it maybe it makes sense and

1798
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,199
maybe again it's with the right

1799
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:48,400
materials it's fine.

1800
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:51,199
» Um

1801
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,679
» Or open to suggestions on that one.

1802
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:52,880
» Yeah.

1803
01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:57,480
» Or

1804
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:57,480
» Could you just maybe do something to it?

1805
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,600
» It's a stair.

1806
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,719
» So

1807
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,400
» Stairway. Yeah.

1808
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:05,040
» Which you I mean like Kristen said you

1809
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:07,360
could do architectural elements. You you

1810
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,640
know there's you could do I was kind of

1811
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,120
thinking in the blank spaces they

1812
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:13,520
wouldn't necess In all of these games,

1813
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:16,560
they wouldn't necessarily be blank. They

1814
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,920
would they're just blank slates. I don't

1815
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,400
know. Maybe I'm

1816
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,880
» Be a contrasting panel of some kind.

1817
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,880
Right.

1818
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,640
» Well, and I also just wanted to remind

1819
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,239
everybody as well like some of the

1820
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,679
elements could be interchange. So, one

1821
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:29,840
thing that came to my mind there was

1822
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:31,920
signage potentially like we showed

1823
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,520
there's that area adjacent to the entry

1824
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,440
which kind of makes sense for a good

1825
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,199
signage location, but there's all like

1826
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:40,080
that could be an opportunity for for

1827
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:41,760
signage. Um, but absolutely like there's

1828
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,840
still opportunity to articulate it with

1829
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,679
windows. I recall in this scheme, I

1830
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,320
think the way that that stair gets its

1831
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:50,320
light is that we had like a narrow slit

1832
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,400
window on the side that's not really

1833
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,600
visible, but as some of the other

1834
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,920
examples showed, that's a great

1835
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,679
opportunity to do like a linear slit

1836
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,040
window that would let light into the

1837
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:00,719
stairs. So, yeah, there's definitely

1838
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,920
ways that that could be further

1839
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:04,920
developed.

1840
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,920
» Cool.

1841
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,280
Okay.

1842
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:14,520
» Anything else on the elevations?

1843
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,520
» Let's uh go to that cost reduction page.

1844
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:27,800
» Go Emily. Go. Go Emily. Go. You can do

1845
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,800
it.

1846
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,159
» I'm glad she was doing that. I would be

1847
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:33,760
panicking.

1848
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:36,320
would be like I can't find.

1849
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:38,560
» We also have broken out slides for the

1850
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:41,600
cost estimates too that kind of depict

1851
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:43,360
more if you need more visual.

1852
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,840
» So there there was another page though

1853
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,520
that had the list

1854
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,840
of that.

1855
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,199
» Yeah.

1856
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,199
» Yeah.

1857
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:57,360
» So let's go through that. Uh reduction

1858
01:16:53,199 --> 01:17:00,000
in program spaces that just means making

1859
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:02,239
the building smaller, right?

1860
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,640
I don't think we want to do that.

1861
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:03,280
» No.

1862
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,520
» No.

1863
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:09,520
» I mean, yeah.

1864
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,239
Uh, build shell and core for future.

1865
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,120
Uh,

1866
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:13,120
» No.

1867
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,480
» That just means spending money later

1868
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,600
than rather than

1869
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:18,800
» More expensive.

1870
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:21,199
» And if we're going to referendum,

1871
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,679
you know, I feel like we should be

1872
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,920
honest and say this is what it costs and

1873
01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:27,040
» Yeah,

1874
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:31,679
» Just how much money we need.

1875
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:33,679
Um, we talked about the west driveway

1876
01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:37,159
and I think we agreed that we would

1877
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:37,159
eliminate that.

1878
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:43,440
» Uh, we talked a lot about windows and if

1879
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:46,239
anything we wanted more windows

1880
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:48,080
so that one's out. And then yeah,

1881
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:51,280
exterior materials that's for a future

1882
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:53,360
discussion. Correct. We can decide what

1883
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,040
you at some point we'll see what the

1884
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,719
different materials cost and what the

1885
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,719
savings are

1886
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:01,199
» Uh in that

1887
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:03,199
» The elimination of ornamental stair I'm

1888
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:06,400
guessing trustees don't have an opinion

1889
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:08,480
until you see the difference between

1890
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,120
» The ornamental and non-orthnamental

1891
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,600
right

1892
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,679
» And how much we save or don't save

1893
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,920
» So that is that the difference more or

1894
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:17,600
less

1895
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:21,280
» This more of an open stair I can let

1896
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:23,120
» Yeah. So, um, ornamental and open stairs

1897
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,560
we kind of use interchangeably. So,

1898
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,199
these are some more contemporary

1899
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:29,920
examples, especially if you're, um,

1900
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:32,239
tending in the direction of our schemes

1901
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:35,280
one or two. Um, this kind of expression

1902
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:37,040
where the stairs and railings are a

1903
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,679
little little bit more contemporary,

1904
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,960
open to the rest of the space. Um

1905
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:45,600
whereas if you um um if we're looking at

1906
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:48,159
a clo an enclosed stair or what we would

1907
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:51,280
normally consider an egress stair, yes,

1908
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:54,400
we can do some glass. Um so there there

1909
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:56,640
is um a measure of transparency, but um

1910
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:59,520
just not as nice, you know, um more of

1911
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:01,600
what we would think of um as an enclosed

1912
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:04,480
exit stair like you have right at the

1913
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:07,120
front um of the building here. So there

1914
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:11,120
is obviously a cost difference um

1915
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:14,239
between those two. Um but um it it's one

1916
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:17,760
way among many to um save a few dollars

1917
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:19,920
if you're so inclined.

1918
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,640
» I can only speak for myself. I'm not so

1919
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,199
inclined.

1920
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,000
» Yeah, I'm not either.

1921
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:28,239
» Yeah, those that first two pictures is

1922
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,440
beautiful. That's you know that's our

1923
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:30,320
public space,

1924
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:32,080
» Right? If

1925
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,880
» You'll go back to the previous one.

1926
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:37,880
Yeah.

1927
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,880
» Yeah.

1928
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:45,520
» No, the other stair one.

1929
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,280
» Oh,

1930
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,320
» That's the enclosed.

1931
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,320
» The other stair.

1932
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,040
» Pretty one.

1933
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,560
» Pretty one.

1934
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,199
» Yeah. No, that's

1935
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,960
» That's nice.

1936
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:56,560
» That one on the left. That's what I want

1937
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,880
our

1938
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,960
primary village space to look like.

1939
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,920
» Yeah.

1940
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,840
Gate uh the Gateley Park Fieldhouse in

1941
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,120
um on the far south side of Chicago if

1942
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,040
anybody's interested one of our

1943
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,080
projects.

1944
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,120
» Well done.

1945
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,679
» Yes.

1946
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,280
» What is in the space underneath the uh

1947
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:19,360
staircase?

1948
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:22,320
» Great great question. Um so um whenever

1949
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:25,760
we have a stair um where you have open

1950
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:27,600
space underneath um we can't essentially

1951
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,640
we can't let somebody underneath it

1952
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:33,040
until the head room is at least 6'8. So

1953
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,239
we need a way to block off those lower

1954
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,239
areas

1955
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:37,840
» Um so we're not bumping our heads up

1956
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:40,239
against something. And in this

1957
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,480
particular project, they just decided to

1958
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:44,080
enclose that with a little bit of a um a

1959
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:46,080
low wall that people could sit on as

1960
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:48,159
they're in the lobby.

1961
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,719
Depending on how we would articulate the

1962
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:52,239
stair, um we may not end up having that

1963
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:56,000
condition at all where we'd have to

1964
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:59,360
close close that off.

1965
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:01,520
» We just had a moment. I just saw a um an

1966
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,600
open staircase with an enclosure like

1967
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:07,520
that that had seating on the outside,

1968
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:09,280
but it had a lyken garden. on the inside

1969
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,840
of it which is like extremely

1970
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:14,080
lowmaintenance and it was installed in

1971
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:17,360
this really artistic pattern and I can

1972
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:20,159
show you photos and it was cool and that

1973
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,280
would be a really neat um

1974
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,960
» Absolutely

1975
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:26,640
» I feel like that doesn't fall into the

1976
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:29,199
cost savings you know but you know you

1977
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,880
and I yeah I think it's right there

1978
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,640
» Be an LC project

1979
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,480
» Once in a while

1980
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,280
» Love it sustainability

1981
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:39,199
» There y So there was one more item on

1982
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:41,840
that list of co potential cost

1983
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:45,600
reductions I think.

1984
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,840
» Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not interested in

1985
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,760
open office space layouts

1986
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:53,199
» And I you know that was a trend for a

1987
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:55,920
long time and I'm sure you guys can can

1988
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:59,360
can have have an opinion on that. From

1989
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:02,080
everything I've read open office space

1990
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:05,679
makes people less productive.

1991
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:07,679
I I've read articles to that. I

1992
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:08,560
Yeah, because of the distractions, I

1993
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:10,000
guess. But

1994
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:13,280
» Well, and I think we're building this

1995
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,040
for public safety and for I mean,

1996
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,320
» Primarily we want this to be

1997
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,320
» People make sure

1998
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,679
» Yeah, we want to be nice. Yeah, that's

1999
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,960
that's the those are the spaces that I

2000
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:23,760
least want to

2001
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,719
» No one wants a cube

2002
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,159
» Cut, right?

2003
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:30,639
» We don't want cubes.

2004
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:32,800
» Yeah, cubes are no fun for anyone.

2005
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:35,600
Okay,

2006
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:38,560
» I have intentionally been quiet for the

2007
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:41,440
time being. I'm not pretending I am a

2008
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,719
design expert on anything. Uh Chris can

2009
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:46,400
attest to this though I've been through

2010
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:49,199
this before um with with a project

2011
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:52,080
similar actually bigger in size uh with

2012
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:54,639
with the public safety thing. And uh I

2013
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:57,679
just want to say first off from my

2014
01:22:54,639 --> 01:23:00,480
perspective uh the site design was the

2015
01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:02,800
most important thing operationally uh

2016
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:04,800
administratively it was staff driven in

2017
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,560
regards to the layouts of everything. So

2018
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:08,560
I think that's the most important thing

2019
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:12,800
as long as the designs whether it's one

2020
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:15,600
through four at any point does not um

2021
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:18,159
interfere with any of the operations or

2022
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,880
with the public engagement. I think I'm

2023
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:23,600
fine with that. If you had to ask me for

2024
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:26,159
any type of um design element, I would

2025
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,560
say make the walkways curvy.

2026
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:27,840
» That's

2027
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,480
» Meandering. We like to call it

2028
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,760
meandering.

2029
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:30,080
» Meandering. Um

2030
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,000
» Please.

2031
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,400
» I think you guys you did a great job.

2032
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,400
» Yeah.

2033
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,480
» With with with the layout um for the

2034
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,480
site because I'm more operational on it.

2035
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:41,600
Um and I would defer to the board and

2036
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:43,760
preservation for for their direction as

2037
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:48,159
well.

2038
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:49,840
» Thank you. Anything else?

2039
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:52,239
» Very good. Thank you. Well,

2040
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:55,440
» Thank you all for such um thoughtful

2041
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:57,520
commentary, honest commentary. Um it's

2042
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,199
important for us to hear what you like

2043
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,120
and what you don't like because that

2044
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:04,480
helps us get to the best possible

2045
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:07,920
solution. Um I also want to thank um our

2046
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:10,639
entire team in addition to um our um

2047
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:12,719
Riverside resident Joe and Kim. There's

2048
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:15,840
another team of folks behind this effort

2049
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:17,600
um at at our office that has really um

2050
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,760
poured their heart and soul into this.

2051
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,080
This is a really exciting project for us

2052
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,360
to be a part of and we're really looking

2053
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,840
forward to next steps. So, thank you

2054
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:24,159
very much.

2055
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:24,560
» Thank you.

2056
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:25,040
» Thank you.

2057
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,360
» Thank you.

2058
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,120
» We're we're gonna talk about a potential

2059
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,199
referendum now. So, you might want to

2060
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,000
stick around and listen to this.

2061
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:35,360
» How we pay for it

2062
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:38,960
» Because that sounds super fun, right?

2063
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:43,600
» So, yes. Next on the agenda is

2064
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:46,239
discussion of regarding public safety

2065
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,520
facility referendum.

2066
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:50,560
Manager Francis,

2067
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:54,400
» Thank you. Um, so as we embarked on this

2068
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:57,600
journey back in November of 2024, it was

2069
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:59,440
discussed that to bring this facility to

2070
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,040
fruition, we would have to do a

2071
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:03,600
referendum. We just didn't have the

2072
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:06,880
capacity to look at alternative ways, no

2073
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:09,760
matter how creative we are as a team.

2074
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:13,600
You know, that that's a heavy lift. And

2075
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:16,719
so, um, as part of the discussion, we

2076
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:18,560
did reach out to Spear Financial, who is

2077
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:21,199
the village's financial advisor, who

2078
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:24,639
we've worked with in the past to issue

2079
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:26,159
debt. Um, and so they provided us some

2080
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:29,920
scenarios

2081
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:32,320
relative to how much debt the village

2082
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:34,800
could issue. Now, debt is dictated on

2083
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:38,320
the village's equalized assessed value,

2084
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:40,880
and you'll see up there. So, um, tells

2085
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:44,320
you what the formula is for our limited

2086
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:47,040
for our tax our debt limitation. Um,

2087
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:49,440
currently our general obligation bonds

2088
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:51,920
is 1.9 million. That's our limited tax

2089
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:54,480
debt that we issued a couple of years

2090
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:57,600
ago. And so, you deduct that and say how

2091
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:59,920
much is left for you to issue as debt.

2092
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,880
Now, as our equalized assessed value

2093
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:07,120
continues to grow, so example, once the

2094
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:09,120
PUD is built, that will go up. Um

2095
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,280
typically every year your equalized

2096
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,880
assessed value as a village continues to

2097
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,840
increase based on improvements and

2098
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:19,360
reinvestment in the community. Um so

2099
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:23,199
that number that 34.9 million won't

2100
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:24,800
remain static presumably you know if

2101
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:26,400
staff and the village is doing

2102
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,760
everything right that number will

2103
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:33,440
continue to go up in future years. So

2104
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:36,719
with that being said, we asked Spear to

2105
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:40,080
provide us some examples. Um, and this

2106
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:42,400
was be obviously when we had some ranges

2107
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:45,679
and Harbors provided a little bit more

2108
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:49,280
concrete numbers. So we did a max of an

2109
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:51,440
issuance amount of 28 million it over 20

2110
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,840
years. That's the maximum time frame in

2111
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:56,960
which we can do. And then it would show

2112
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:59,600
the financial impact on typical ho

2113
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,840
households based on the market value of

2114
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:05,360
the home. And so it's broken out on

2115
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:08,400
annual cost versus monthly costs. Um

2116
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:11,199
obviously if we were to increase that we

2117
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:13,360
would to 29 million you would see an

2118
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:15,360
incremental increase. Um and we will

2119
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:17,520
certainly get that for the board. We

2120
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:20,320
weren't sure what was going to be cut or

2121
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:22,639
how this discussion was going to where

2122
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:25,040
it was going to go as it relates to size

2123
01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:29,040
and other eliminations, but we do have

2124
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:32,639
the capacity to increase that issuance

2125
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:35,679
amount. Um, now all of these are based

2126
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:39,040
on certain percentages, 4% interest.

2127
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:42,080
We're double A+ bond rated community, so

2128
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:46,000
we're not quite at that triple

2129
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:48,480
AAA bonding. Um but so we're receiving a

2130
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:50,480
much lower rate than other communities

2131
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,920
that don't have sound financial

2132
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:56,239
practices, procedures, policies, etc. So

2133
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,840
we benefit in that respect. And so there

2134
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:59,920
are times even when you go for an

2135
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:02,239
issuance amount. Let's say we went for

2136
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:04,080
28 million, but then there's I don't

2137
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:06,560
want to get too far in the weeds, but we

2138
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:08,960
get a really good interest rate and it's

2139
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:11,199
less and we get a good discount rate. It

2140
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,679
could actually be more than 28 million

2141
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:17,600
that's issued to us.

2142
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:21,440
Um, and so that's where those numbers

2143
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:25,760
look like for that. And so part of the

2144
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:27,679
initial discussion is do you you don't

2145
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:30,639
want to ex you don't want to come up

2146
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:32,719
against the maximum amount of your debt

2147
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:35,280
limit, right? Because there could be a

2148
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:37,520
need to issue debt to do an additional

2149
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,520
referendum in the future. And so you

2150
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,960
always want to keep that that buffer,

2151
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,360
right?

2152
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:47,120
you are also paying off debt year after

2153
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:49,600
year too as it relates to you know when

2154
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:52,960
I like to manifest when the referendum

2155
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:54,880
is approved by our residents um that

2156
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:57,840
number would slowly go down and our debt

2157
01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:00,000
capacity would continue to to increase.

2158
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,760
Um that isn't to say that we want to

2159
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,280
utilize all that debt capacity.

2160
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:07,840
Obviously we are very much below um even

2161
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:11,360
the halfway point of our debt capacity.

2162
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,800
We're actually less than 1% of our

2163
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:16,480
maximum capacity. So, um I'm sorry, less

2164
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:20,719
than 10%.

2165
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:23,040
So, all those being equal, you'll see

2166
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:25,360
kind of the different breakdown of that.

2167
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:28,000
Are there any questions relative to

2168
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:30,239
that?

2169
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,920
» If somebody is at home watching this and

2170
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:33,199
can't really read that type, do you want

2171
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,639
to give some examples?

2172
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:39,520
» Sure. No potential examples. So for the

2173
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:42,480
$28 million issuance, I would say on

2174
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:45,280
average a typical household in Riverside

2175
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:47,600
is valued at $500,000.

2176
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:51,840
And so you would look at an annual cost

2177
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:54,239
increase of $720.32

2178
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,920
and what that looks like monthly is

2179
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:57,120
$60.3

2180
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,679
per month.

2181
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:01,440
» Thank you.

2182
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:03,600
» You're welcome. Thank you.

2183
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:06,639
And once again, that's subject to

2184
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:11,040
somewhat change. Another example is if

2185
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:13,199
our EAV continues to increase, then that

2186
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,920
impact per household then gets

2187
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:18,400
redistributed too. Similar with with

2188
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:20,159
property tax. Um, if we have new

2189
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,719
developments,

2190
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:24,320
the spread of that property tax burden

2191
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:26,639
gets redistributed.

2192
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,320
» And so that in impact could be slightly

2193
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:30,719
different. I don't want to say it would

2194
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:35,000
be substantially different but uh just

2195
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:35,000
to provide a little bit of context.

2196
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:41,199
» Very good. And

2197
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:43,199
» So we will uh we don't have to uh file

2198
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:44,080
the referendum question till late in the

2199
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:46,800
year. Right.

2200
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:50,000
» Correct. So we we'll start the process

2201
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:52,159
later this year and interally.

2202
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,080
» And from my understanding the referendum

2203
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:58,080
question can be a little bit more direct

2204
01:30:54,080 --> 01:31:01,520
than the last one. Oh yes, 100%.

2205
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:04,000
» I could basically just say, you know, do

2206
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,920
you approve of the village borrowing

2207
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,520
this amount of money for a public safety

2208
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,120
facility more or less

2209
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,120
» And to equip the public safety

2210
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:13,280
» To equip Yeah. Yeah. So

2211
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,920
» So which election? The presidential

2212
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,920
election?

2213
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,320
» No, it would be

2214
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,360
» Uh April of 2027.

2215
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,679
» Consolidated.

2216
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:20,560
» Yeah.

2217
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:22,000
» Yeah.

2218
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,199
» Yeah.

2219
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,520
So, I know the trustees know this, but

2220
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:30,080
I'm and I've said this to you before,

2221
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:33,679
but I'm going to say it again and again

2222
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:35,440
and again and again. Um,

2223
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:37,760
this is the most important thing any of

2224
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:39,440
us will do as an elected official in

2225
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,520
this village.

2226
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:44,400
Um,

2227
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:46,400
our number one obligation is public

2228
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:50,560
safety

2229
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:52,400
and to maintain that the the great level

2230
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:56,239
of public safety this village has always

2231
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:59,360
had, our first responders need

2232
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:03,120
facilities that are appropriate and

2233
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:05,440
support a top-notch

2234
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:09,520
police and fire public safety uh

2235
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:12,960
department. So, uh, it is incumbent upon

2236
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:15,920
all of us to do everything we can to

2237
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:20,000
educate the public about this.

2238
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:22,639
Um, and we'll be working on educational

2239
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:26,800
information and strategies.

2240
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:28,480
Um, and that will come soon. Uh, but I

2241
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,719
would say it's not too early to start

2242
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,719
talking to your neighbors, make people

2243
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:35,520
aware of this.

2244
01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:37,360
Um because I

2245
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:40,480
strongly believe that if people

2246
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,840
understand the need for this, it will be

2247
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,480
approved. Uh

2248
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,880
» I agree.

2249
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:48,320
» Riverside residents

2250
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:52,880
value our police and fire departments

2251
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:57,400
uh and they know that uh they have to

2252
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:57,400
they have to support them financially.

2253
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,000
» With that, any other questions,

2254
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:04,000
comments? M manager Francis, did you

2255
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,159
have some additional comments?

2256
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,440
» Um, so with regard to community

2257
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:12,960
engagement, Williams Architects also has

2258
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:16,400
built in um some future community

2259
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:18,960
engagements. Um, one being creating an

2260
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:21,280
open house to solicit feedback on the

2261
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,360
different design, see what additional

2262
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:25,679
feedback residents have, bring that back

2263
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,440
to the village board. Um, and then they

2264
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,600
would also do a second round of

2265
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:32,239
community engagement. Right now, we have

2266
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,719
tentatively in our schedule July of

2267
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:37,199
2026, but that could be subject to

2268
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:39,840
change because obviously going from that

2269
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:42,639
second engagement period to April of the

2270
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:44,960
following year for the election, I don't

2271
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:49,120
know that if we want that long of a time

2272
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:51,360
span to occur with not that the board

2273
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:53,600
and staff wouldn't push out additional

2274
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,520
education and answer questions and do

2275
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,520
open houses, but that may be something

2276
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,520
that we would look to the board to have

2277
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,600
further discussion. and and work with

2278
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:04,480
Williams to maybe change that timeline

2279
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:07,280
for that second engagement piece. Um,

2280
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:09,120
additionally, um, there there would be

2281
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,679
subsequent presentations to the village

2282
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,520
board. Once we have the community, the

2283
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:15,840
initial community engagement and the

2284
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:18,400
openhouse, feedback from preservation,

2285
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:20,000
modifications to the design, then

2286
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,440
Williams will be firming up their

2287
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:26,560
designs further to get closer to what

2288
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:30,080
some what this building will look like.

2289
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:32,239
Um so in the past I also wanted to make

2290
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,840
a note how we handled community

2291
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:35,840
engagement when we were having

2292
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,000
referendums right we've always had the

2293
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:41,600
discussion that we can educate we cannot

2294
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:44,159
advocate um as staff village resources

2295
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,840
cannot be put towards advocating a

2296
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:47,840
resident calls us and asks questions we

2297
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,840
can ask answer those questions if a

2298
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:53,679
resident calls and asks us how should I

2299
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:55,600
vote we can't answer that question um in

2300
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:59,120
the past what we have done is we've

2301
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:02,080
created postcards and redirected uh

2302
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:05,199
residents to a main landing page on the

2303
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:07,360
website. We've done engagement. Both

2304
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:09,840
village board members and staff have

2305
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,360
been present present at different

2306
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,920
community events, whether it's the

2307
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:18,000
farmers market or other events. We've

2308
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:20,480
created videos from Riverside TV to to

2309
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:23,760
outline the different items and issues,

2310
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:27,040
answer questions. Additionally, what um

2311
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:29,840
staff has put together and flagged as

2312
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:32,080
additional opportunities, uh Director

2313
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:34,880
Buckley and I have already spoken about

2314
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,440
doing public safety tours. Um

2315
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:38,480
Absolutely.

2316
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:41,280
» So, Director Buckley would it would be

2317
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:42,800
sign up because we we would want him to

2318
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:46,480
be able to answer questions. So, it

2319
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:49,120
would be smaller groups, more uh tours,

2320
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:53,520
but being able to have that engagement,

2321
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:56,159
answer those questions. Um we would also

2322
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:58,639
um in speaking with other communities

2323
01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:00,880
what they've done um when they have a

2324
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:06,000
large referendum is presenting to other

2325
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:09,360
taxing bodies. So staff or the a board

2326
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:11,760
member presenting just FAQs and

2327
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:14,639
information at a school district. So,

2328
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:17,440
district 96 at one of their meetings or

2329
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:19,520
district 208 or even going to the

2330
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:22,800
library at one of their meetings and

2331
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:24,800
presenting or township, right? Township

2332
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,320
covers a little bit more than Riverside,

2333
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:31,040
but it offers that additional

2334
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:33,440
opportunity for engagement. Um, and then

2335
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:35,840
finally, I think there have been some

2336
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:39,440
questions of whether or not to hire a

2337
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:41,840
consultant for um, further engagement.

2338
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:43,600
And um, I'm doing some additional

2339
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,760
research. Williams is going to provide

2340
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:48,239
us um, some consultants that they've

2341
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:50,480
worked with in the past. Um and then we

2342
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:53,360
would get some different proposals

2343
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:55,119
costing of those different services and

2344
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:57,840
what the village would be receiving and

2345
01:36:55,119 --> 01:37:00,000
then making that evaluation of whether

2346
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:02,480
or not these services can be done

2347
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:05,920
in-house effectively or if we would need

2348
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:08,480
some support from an outside party.

2349
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,760
» I have a question.

2350
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:11,119
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to

2351
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:15,119
this, but I just want you to say it

2352
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:17,679
again out loud. So as village trustees I

2353
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:20,239
know that you cannot say anything about

2354
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:22,080
um not how to but like you can't give

2355
01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:24,400
opinion

2356
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:27,040
what are the rules regarding what we can

2357
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,159
say and how we can interact with this

2358
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,480
referendum.

2359
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:33,199
» So you can certainly provide information

2360
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:34,800
and you are a private citizen so you can

2361
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:38,159
also

2362
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:42,159
say what your thoughts are relative to

2363
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:44,719
that. Staff cannot do that. Um and so I

2364
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:46,880
I will make sure that attorney pickrol

2365
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:50,320
provides additional guidelines for the

2366
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,520
board as we begin on this journey.

2367
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,119
» Okay, great.

2368
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:57,280
» And just put it another way, we as

2369
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:59,040
trustees on our own time

2370
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:01,119
» Can advocate all we want

2371
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,440
» As private citizens, not as trustees.

2372
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:02,560
Yep.

2373
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:04,320
» Right.

2374
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,560
» Because we're not spending village res

2375
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,239
the key is you can't spend village

2376
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,199
resources to advocate.

2377
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:13,360
» Yep.

2378
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:14,960
staff time or money for flyers that say

2379
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,280
vote no or vote yes.

2380
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,560
» Sure,

2381
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,360
» Those kinds of things. So,

2382
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,920
» Yeah,

2383
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:21,199
» I know it is a little outdated, but 12

2384
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,400
years ago, wasn't there a video that was

2385
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:24,320
made of our facilities that were

2386
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:26,080
crumbling and deteriorating?

2387
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,840
» We do have those as well.

2388
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,520
» Put that out for public education as

2389
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,239
well. I know it's a little outdated, but

2390
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,480
it's

2391
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:34,239
» We would and we would create new videos.

2392
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:37,119
So, in speaking to a couple of village

2393
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:40,880
managers that recently did referendums,

2394
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:42,960
um they did much shorter videos um that

2395
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:46,000
were less than like the target was 30

2396
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:48,159
seconds or less essentially um and

2397
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:51,119
sharing that information. And I think

2398
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:53,600
also the engagement within the police

2399
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:56,080
department and the fire department and

2400
01:38:53,600 --> 01:39:00,080
providing those tours um because a lot

2401
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:03,040
of these areas are they're they're not

2402
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:05,199
accessed by residents and so residents

2403
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:07,119
don't know what are behind these

2404
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:08,880
different doors. And so I think that can

2405
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:10,960
be also very eye opening.

2406
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:13,040
» Okay. And I think we all know that Chief

2407
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:16,080
Buckley is not shy in front of a camera.

2408
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:20,199
So, I think we can get him to do some

2409
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:20,199
great videos for us.

2410
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,880
» You're welcome.

2411
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:26,080
» Very good.

2412
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:29,520
» Anything else?

2413
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:31,840
» The final item um within the packet, it

2414
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:34,080
talks about the business district. So,

2415
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:37,199
Ryan LLC

2416
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:39,199
um acquired Kain McKenna, who was the

2417
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:40,960
previous firm that created the business

2418
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:43,280
districts, the three business districts

2419
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:46,960
along Harlem Avenue. And so we did have

2420
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:49,840
the discussion previously about creating

2421
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:51,360
a business district overlay over the new

2422
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:55,280
facility

2423
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:57,520
um simply for the assessing the 1%

2424
01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:00,480
business district tax and that money can

2425
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:02,320
then be used to be reinvested within the

2426
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:04,800
facility or anything within the

2427
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:06,639
boundaries of the facility or actually

2428
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,360
helping to pay off some of the debt that

2429
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:12,080
is issued. Um, in speaking with them,

2430
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:15,840
they had recommended that the first step

2431
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:18,719
would be to actually do an evaluation of

2432
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:22,960
the revenue that could be derived from a

2433
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:25,360
space of that size um to make sure that

2434
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:27,360
it it makes sense to make the larger

2435
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:32,159
investment. So, the cost of just doing

2436
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:34,719
that evaluation is 2500. And then if if

2437
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:37,119
it did make sense then creating the

2438
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:39,360
business district plan and doing the

2439
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:42,080
evaluation and conducting the process

2440
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:43,520
that would be 20,000.

2441
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:46,400
So

2442
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:48,800
» But right now do you want direction from

2443
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,560
the village to proceed with the $2,500

2444
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,199
to do the analysis?

2445
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,800
» Yes.

2446
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:54,480
» I know that's in your spending authority

2447
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,760
but we should have direction from the

2448
01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:57,199
board.

2449
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,360
I was just wondering if you could

2450
01:40:57,199 --> 01:41:01,679
provide residents with some examples of

2451
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,440
sales tax generating opportunities and

2452
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:05,920
this is precisely going to do that. So

2453
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:07,440
I'm all for it.

2454
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:11,199
» Yes, please.

2455
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:14,320
» So right now how the site plan is laid

2456
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:17,679
out there is the main space with the

2457
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:21,119
kitchen. So presumably any so we could

2458
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:23,600
contract with individuals to then assess

2459
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:25,600
the 1% business district tax on any

2460
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:27,840
catering services that are done out of

2461
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:30,320
that room. And then there's the other

2462
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:35,119
smaller space that I'll refer to as the

2463
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:36,639
cafe that was left open. um that then

2464
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:39,119
whatever

2465
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:42,560
pro services are provided out of there

2466
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:45,360
or products rather um so smoothies,

2467
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:48,400
coffee, whatever it may be then that 1%

2468
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:50,560
tax would be also assist there. Also, in

2469
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:52,159
addition, the business district tax, it

2470
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:55,600
would not just be that, but you'd also

2471
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:59,440
have the opportunity to, you know, any

2472
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:03,040
sales that are generated would be the 1%

2473
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:05,040
regular sales tax and then the 1% uh

2474
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,600
non-home roll sales tax.

2475
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,440
» Yep.

2476
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:10,639
» So, non-home rule sales tax would go

2477
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:12,560
directly to streets, the 1%, and I take

2478
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:14,960
that back. Also, places for eating tax,

2479
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:18,400
which would be 1%.

2480
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:19,679
» Nice. Thank you. Anything

2481
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,760
else?

2482
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:24,080
» No, I just need direction on the

2483
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,560
» Oh, yes. Please proceed.

2484
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,480
» Yes.

2485
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,960
» Okay.

2486
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:31,679
» Trustees, any other comments, questions

2487
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:33,440
on referendum or public safety

2488
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:35,360
facilities.

2489
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:37,440
» Just want to thank staff for all the

2490
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,520
work

2491
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:41,520
» It's this is really big and very

2492
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:44,400
exciting, but it's done a lot of work

2493
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,880
and heavy lifting and appreciate it.

2494
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,679
» Thank you.

2495
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:51,119
» Thank you. Awesome.

2496
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:54,639
» And thanks to previous boards too and

2497
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:57,920
presidents who have championed this

2498
01:42:54,639 --> 01:42:59,760
endeavor as well.

2499
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:02,560
Uh so we do not have need for an

2500
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:04,080
executive session. I'd like to ask for a

2501
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:05,040
motion and a second to adjurnn.

2502
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,760
» So moved.

2503
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:10,159
» Second.

2504
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:14,920
» All in favor say I. I. Any opposed?

2505
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:14,920
I know you there tonight.