[0:09] Good evening. I'd like to welcome
everyone to the Village of Riverside
[0:13] Board of Trustees regular meeting of
Thursday, March 19th, 2026.
[0:20] Uh please stand as you're able and join
me in the pledge of allegiance.
[0:26] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:32] republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:39] justice for all.
[0:44] » Clerk Stenzel, please call the role.
>> Trusty Marsha,
[0:47] » here.
>> Trusty Gallagher here.
[0:48] » Trusty CS
>> here.
[0:50] » Trusty Evans here.
>> Trusty Mateo here.
[0:52] » Trusty Fitzgerald here. Manager Francis
>> here. President Pollock
[0:55] » here.
>> Also, President Clerk Stenzel.
[0:59] » Uh we have a brief president's report.
Uh upcoming village meetings include the
[1:04] following. Uh March 23rd, Parks and
Recreation Board regular meeting.
[1:10] Riverside Public Library at 6:30 p.m.
March 25th, Planning and Zoning
[1:17] Commission regular meeting at uh here at
the Village Hall Town Hall. uh room 4
[1:23] 6:30 p.m. And our next regular scheduled
meeting is April 2nd. Uh same time, same
[1:31] place, 6:30 p.m. Town Hall.
Uh that concludes my president's report.
[1:38] Do we have any trustee reports this
evening?
[1:43] There are none. Uh Manager Francis,
manager's report.
[1:47] » Thank you. I have two items to update
the board and the public on. One being
[1:52] um the board might have seen that Joel
Kennedy is starting to work on parkway
[1:58] restorations from lead service lines
that were installed last year. Um so
[2:04] this will be firsttime restorations in
the parkway and also any areas that have
[2:08] subsided over the winter will be
restored as well. Another item that will
[2:13] begin soon is Nyor's restoration over on
Cowi. They'll be restoring the roadway,
[2:19] curbs, sidewalk, and um the parkway.
There will be a detour when that work
[2:26] begins. Uh public works staff is working
on obtaining the details and
[2:30] coordinating through Nyore and their
contractors. Once the village has
[2:34] received that information regarding the
detour and the timing, we will share it
[2:38] with the public. As of this evening, we
don't have confirmed dates, but as soon
[2:43] as we do, we will send those out. That
is all I have this evening.
[2:47] Thank you. Uh public comments for
non-aggenda items. Is there anyone in
[2:52] attendance who would like to address the
board uh on a matter that is not on our
[2:56] agenda tonight? Uh knowing that uh as we
go through the agenda, there'll be
[3:01] public comments on those specific items.
There are none. Uh consent agenda. Clerk
[3:07] Stenzel, please read the consent agenda.
>> Approve voucher list of bills March
[3:12] 19th, 2026. Approve village board of
trustees regular meeting minutes March
[3:16] 19th, 2026. Approve village village
board of trustees executive meeting
[3:21] minutes March 5th, 2026. The previous
one was also March 5th. Review and file
[3:26] board and commission minutes economic
development commission regular meeting
[3:29] minutes January 14th, 2026. Landscape
Advisory Commission regular meeting
[3:34] minutes February 10th, 2026. Historical
commission regular meeting minutes
[3:38] February 16th, 2026. Review and file
department reports. Public works
[3:43] February 2026 finance February 2026
2025 community development annual report
[3:51] and 2025 public safety annual report.
A resolution authorizing the village
[3:56] manager to create a purchase order in
the amount of $174,900
[4:02] for Christopher B. Burke Engineering to
provide professional design and
[4:06] constructive engineering services as
part of the South Coat Road res.
[4:12] An ordinance amending the village code
relative to beekeeping and henkeeping
[4:15] and amending a fee schedule for the
village riverside. An approval of facade
[4:19] grant application for Salme 35 East
Burlington.
[4:23] » Do any of these items uh need to be
removed from the consent agenda?
[4:28] Uh there are none. I'd ask for a motion
and a second to approve the consent
[4:32] agenda.
>> So moved.
[4:34] » Second.
>> Motion and second. Clerk Stenzel, please
[4:36] call the role.
>> Trusty Marsha.
[4:38] » I.
>> Trusty Galgas.
[4:39] » Hi.
>> Trusty Cos.
[4:40] » I.
>> Trusty Evans.
[4:42] » I.
>> Trusty Matteo.
[4:43] » I.
>> Trusty Fitzgerald.
[4:44] » Hi.
>> Motion carries. Uh, department board and
[4:47] commission reports. We have an update
this evening from for from the parks and
[4:52] recreation department. Assistant
director Megan Cisa will provide that
[4:56] report.
Good evening, President Pollock, village
[5:01] trustees, manager Francis. I just wanted
to provide you all with a quick update
[5:05] on some events and programs that we have
coming up as we move into the spring
[5:09] season. Our variety of egg hunt events
will take place later this month. We
[5:13] will kick off the egg hunt festivities
with our teen flashlight egg hunt that
[5:18] will take place next Thursday, March
26th, over at Indian Gardens. The hunt
[5:23] will begin at 7:45 p.m. and we invite
those that are 11 to 15 to join us for
[5:28] that. Just be sure to bring a basket and
a flashlight with you. We will follow
[5:33] that up with our annual egg hunt which
will take place on Saturday, March 28th
[5:36] over at Big Ballpark. We will begin our
age groups promptly at 10:00 a.m. and we
[5:41] invite those that are 10 and under to
join us for that. The bunny will also be
[5:45] available at that event for photos. And
then we will conclude our egg hunt
[5:49] events with our golden egg hunt which
will take place from March 31st to April
[5:53] 2nd. Each day in that time frame, new
golden eggs will be hidden in the parks.
[5:58] Each golden egg that's found is going to
be eligible for a $10 parks and recck
[6:01] certificate to use toward any future
program or event. Moving on to
[6:06] programming that we have, we've got a
variety of programs that are beginning
[6:09] in the next few weeks. Some upcoming
adult programs that we have are cardio
[6:13] kickboxing, weight training, Zumba,
yoga. We have a Mother's Day paint and
[6:18] sip, and dodgeball and pickle ball
tournaments. And then some upcoming
[6:22] youth programs include a spring break
art camp, flag football, and spring
[6:26] soccer, as well as our ongoing nature
programs such as Saturdays in the Woods,
[6:30] and Earth Day nature hike. And speaking
of programming, our summer program
[6:35] brochure will release in May with all of
our summer programs, classes, and
[6:38] events. Be sure to keep an eye out in
your mail for our seasonal brochure
[6:42] mailer that will come out to announce
when that is released. And lastly, we're
[6:46] very excited to announce our brand new
weekly newsletter for Riverside Parks
[6:50] and Recreation. Every Tuesday, we will
release a newsletter to your email
[6:54] that's going to include some exciting
upcoming programs and events. This is
[6:57] going to be the best way to keep up to
date with all things Riverside Parks and
[7:01] Wreck. We did send out an initial signup
email as well as our first newsletter.
[7:05] And if you did not receive that, you are
able to sign up um with the QR code
[7:09] that's been posted both to the Riverside
Parks and Recck Facebook page as well as
[7:12] the village p Facebook page. Thanks.
>> Thank you. Any questions for assistant
[7:19] director Cisco? I would just make one
comment. Um
[7:24] » since we adopted Well, first of all,
thank you for the update on the
[7:28] programs. Uh, spring is here, so it's
time to get out, get outside and sign up
[7:34] for a program. But I also want to take
this opportunity to thank the parks and
[7:39] recreation department and parks and
recreation board on the tremendous
[7:44] success, in my opinion, you've had
already in implementing your master plan
[7:48] for 2025. We've already got funding for
for uh uh Turtle Park uh and um and Ble
[7:59] Park, right? Yeah. Ble uh funding and
that's in the pipeline. And we're hoping
[8:05] to follow that up with Harrington next
summer. And uh also the parks and
[8:10] recreation board will be considering
another goal from the master plan of
[8:14] creating zoning for the uh parks and
open space in the village. So, thank you
[8:20] to the department and the board.
>> Thank you very much.
[8:25] » Uh, pending business, um, presentation
and discussion of new public safety
[8:31] facility visualization concepts. Manager
Francis,
[8:35] » thank you. Um we do have the team from
Williams Architects that will walk the
[8:40] village board through um the different
schemes and designs for the board to
[8:46] take a look at and provide some feedback
on. Additionally, I just wanted to
[8:51] provide the board a brief update after
this evening. Um the next step based on
[8:56] the feedback that's received, Williams
will then attend a preservation
[9:00] commission meeting and get additional
feedback based on the narrow down down
[9:05] designs that the village board wants
preservation to react to and give
[9:10] additional feedback. So with I will turn
it over to the Williams team.
[9:18] » Good. Good evening, President Pollock,
village trustees manager Francis. um
[9:23] happy to be here again tonight and um
we'll have all four of our team members
[9:28] presenting um this evening a lot of
information about the concept. So um
[9:32] let's just get right into it and next
please. So we want to just bring you up
[9:38] to speed um as to where we've been um
what we've been working on for the last
[9:43] few months and ultimately the four
different ideas we have um for the
[9:48] exterior of the project. Um, we also
have partnered with harbor contractors
[9:54] and Chris Kak is here tonight to tell
you a little bit about where costs are
[9:58] projected at the moment as well as some
ideas to um perhaps um bring costs down.
[10:04] At this point, we are um simply looking
for feedback from you as the village
[10:10] board um what you like, what you don't
like um in terms of the exterior concept
[10:14] so we can continue to move forward and
and refine. But most of all, we want to
[10:19] make sure we're answering your questions
and keeping you as informed as possible
[10:22] about the proposal.
So, um I sort of just gave away the the
[10:28] updates. Um we've worked um had several
meetings with staff. Um we've um put
[10:35] together um four very um distinct
concepts um for the exterior. We've also
[10:42] really validated the work that you've
seen so far by engaging a civil engineer
[10:47] and a structural engineer to make sure
that we really understand the site to
[10:51] confirm that we do not need to do
anything further in terms of storm water
[10:56] um detention which we have confirmed and
to understand um how we would be
[11:02] actually structuring this in
consultation with a structural engineer.
[11:05] So um there is a measure of um
architectural and engineering
[11:11] feasibility that are baked into these
concepts that we're um going to show you
[11:15] tonight and talked a little bit about
next steps as manager Francis mentioned
[11:20] um we're ready to move um upon your
direction into design adjustments and
[11:25] review um by the preservation commission
and to begin the community engagement
[11:30] process around this project.
Um, so with that, um, I will turn it
[11:35] over to our project manager, Kim Nigro,
to recap the site plan and the floor
[11:40] plans and then we'll move to the
exterior concepts. Thank you.
[11:47] » Thank you everyone. Glad to be back with
you. Um, I'll just start by recapping
[11:51] the um, site plan and floor plans. um
some of which most of which you saw at
[11:56] our last presentation but it has been
refined based on your feedback and um
[12:01] some consensus um about the various
schemes that we presented at our last
[12:04] meeting. So um
oh good this works. Oh thank you sorry
[12:10] just getting back off. Thank you chief.
So um just to give you the brief quick
[12:17] overview of the site plan of the various
schemes that we presented last time. The
[12:21] main difference was whether the
apparatus bay would be um flanked by the
[12:26] apparatus support to the east or more or
whether that support bar would be more
[12:31] in the center of the overall layout
based on again feedback from all of you
[12:36] and more conversations with the manager
and chief. Um the decision was that
[12:41] keeping the apparatus bays more um
toward the center and putting that
[12:46] support on the outside edge um provided
a couple of different benefits within
[12:50] the plan layout itself as well as on the
site. So this allows that apparatus
[12:55] apron to be a little further away from
the drive down to the lower level. Um
[12:59] provides that surface level parking here
for staff to come in quickly. Um and
[13:04] then we've also again still focusing on
the community and public space here as a
[13:11] light touched link to the existing
village hall. Um based on the feedback
[13:17] again, we've focused the entryway right
here on axis with the colonade or view
[13:23] connection out toward the river. Um and
and as you'll start to see in the
[13:27] exterior schemes that we'll show you, um
all of the schemes have this layout on
[13:33] site. All of the schemes have the same
kind of axis and exterior um colonade
[13:39] and patio space um and you know are
basically all in the same massing and
[13:46] form on the site.
[13:51] So this um lower level plan really again
hasn't changed since you last saw it. um
[13:56] parking available for um police here on
the lower level, entrance uh for staff
[14:02] to a staff stair that takes them um or
through the elevator securely up to
[14:08] secure administrative space on the
second floor. Um and then keeping kind
[14:13] of the basic storage of the building
under the apparatus bay on this end and
[14:18] the evidence processing and storage here
um near where they would enter and then
[14:23] the utilities on the far end.
[14:29] So, this again, as I kind of recapped on
the site plan, the main floor level has
[14:34] um this community space around the lobby
here with the public conference room and
[14:40] toilets and the you we're saying
ornamental stair that really just means
[14:43] open, not an enclosed fire stair. um and
space for displaying of the historic
[14:49] firet truck and um potential
repositioning of some um village hall
[14:55] space in the in the existing village
hall. Uh and again that really nicely
[15:01] consolidated shared administrative space
between police and fire. And then as we
[15:07] move to the east, the um apparatus and
the support zones um for the apparatus
[15:14] bay.
[15:18] And on the upper level, again, all of
the community space is focused here on
[15:23] the west end where they could come up
this public stair, access restrooms,
[15:28] access the fitness space, um, come down
this public corridor all the way through
[15:33] to the public terrace, um, and to the
community space, which is has access to
[15:39] Riverside TV, the kitchen, and some
storage. So, the elevator is here
[15:46] centrally located. this would have
public access at this level. Um, also if
[15:51] police or fire needed to use that
elevator at this upper level, they can
[15:55] do that and then come into a secure
corridor
[15:59] where most of the police functions are
are focused right here with a men's
[16:04] locker room and toilet and showers,
women's locker room, toilet and showers,
[16:08] and then as you move on, um, this shared
kitchen, dining and day room space, and
[16:14] then the more private bunk rooms and
lockers for fire and EMS personnel.
[16:20] Well, that was one of the comments from
the last meeting was um liking them
[16:24] having kind of their own quieter wing
over here um on the other side of the
[16:28] apparatus bay. So, yeah, again, just
more public zone shared and and more
[16:35] quiet private on the end.
So, with that, I'm going to move into um
[16:41] exterior schemes unless anyone has any
thoughts or questions about the plan
[16:45] recap.
So, I want to start by again kind of
[16:50] talking about what's in common with the
four different schemes that we've looked
[16:53] at. Um we've tried to take our cues um
based on listening to chief and uh um
[17:00] manager and and all of the committee
about paying reverence to this historic
[17:06] village hall but not trying to imitate
it. understanding the cues that we're
[17:10] receiving from the proportions of the
building and um respecting that,
[17:16] following that language, but creating a
new um design for this new um facility.
[17:23] So, we've done things like looking at
the strong horizontal masonry banding of
[17:28] this building and taking some cues from
that. We've looked at these the strong
[17:32] corner vertical elements with the
turrets and taking some cues from that.
[17:37] Um and then we've um because of the
large footprint of this plan as compared
[17:42] to this building, we've tried to break
it down into clear those same kind of
[17:47] clear functions of public administrative
fire and you know make sure that it's
[17:54] not looking like a vast facade by
comparison to this building. and at the
[17:58] same time wanting to um celebrate the
height of this building while keeping
[18:04] this new facility lower. Again, because
it is um wider, a little larger in
[18:10] footprint, we wanted to not have it also
be as tall and competing with this facil
[18:15] this structure in that in that way as
well.
[18:20] So, we've kind of named each of these
schemes so that you have a little
[18:23] something to remember. It's it's going
to be a lot that we go through tonight.
[18:26] So, I want um you to be able to refer
back to which was that scheme. So, we've
[18:31] named this one dynamic response. And so,
scheme one uh really started around a
[18:37] desire to um look at how closely we are
situated up against the village hall,
[18:44] but give it a little bit of room to
breathe. So, um that footprint that in
[18:48] plan was pretty square. In this version,
we're sort of um angling a few of the
[18:54] walls, mostly this colonade that kind of
leads you through to the river and
[18:58] bending right around this point where we
get tight at this turret. Um and so the
[19:05] idea was that as you enter in the
facade, this the this column structure
[19:10] feels wider, feels welcoming, kind of
funnels you into the space and then
[19:16] widens again at the back, opens up again
at the terrace. So you feel that kind of
[19:20] dynamic um movement as you as a you know
from someone from the community coming
[19:26] to that space. And then again as I'd
mentioned um we've taken these these um
[19:33] horizontal banding of the facility and
kind of mirrored that um in terms of the
[19:39] proportions of overall and then breaking
this community space down separately in
[19:45] mass from the apparatus bays and the
support zone on the end. And in talking
[19:51] about some kind of tower anchoring
elements vertically in each scheme,
[19:55] you'll see kind of this repeating um
vertical elements that um you know give
[20:01] some repeat the rhythm of these
elements.
[20:07] So this gives that view kind of right
through the entry and through um to the
[20:11] green space along the river. And you can
kind of see those columns begin to
[20:16] repeat leading you in. This would be
that historic um firetruck display could
[20:21] could be on either side and and then uh
the public conference room and fitness
[20:26] here. So it is glassier on this front
area. This is where those community
[20:29] spaces would be.
[20:37] And then as we each of these images will
kind of move you around to the south
[20:41] toward the river as we And so this again
is that um oop sorry
[20:48] the um bunk rooms here and some light
into the apparatus bay um support spaces
[20:56] some lighting into stair towers
[21:01] and on the back again um having kind of
expressing these
[21:07] um ramps and and this dynamic um sort of
angular shapes again where you emerge
[21:14] from the building with this colonade. Um
and then having that repeating that kind
[21:20] of angled shading at the community
terrace as well.
[21:30] And so then as you approach from the
river, walk from the west, you would
[21:35] enter this public patio level. And then
again, there's the terrace um that's
[21:42] supported by that colonade up at the
community room level.
[21:48] I should have said in the beginning,
each of these schemes might have
[21:52] elements or aspects that you like. They
they are all somewhat interchangeable.
[21:56] if there's some aspect of scheme one
that you feel like would also work or be
[22:01] celebrated in scheme three. Um just like
with the plans, you know, we want to
[22:06] show you these four options as a way of
showing a lot of different ideas and
[22:10] then taking that feedback and and
working them in together.
[22:16] So there's kind of an aerial view where
you can see that bending um a little
[22:21] more a little more clearly illustrated.
And then the apparatus bay roof would be
[22:28] set a little lower to allow some
daylighting in along the um living
[22:32] dining uh day room spaces.
[22:43] Okay, move on to scheme number two.
Oh, I one more. Sorry. Elevations. So
[22:50] the the flat elevations we thought were
kind of helpful to really look at the
[22:54] scale of this building compared to those
historical datms and lines in the
[22:59] masonry and how we're kind of pulling
those through and then how we're kind of
[23:03] breaking down this eastern facade that's
facing more towards the residential
[23:08] areas with more punched opening smaller
scale windows to keep that looking
[23:14] appealing.
Okay.
[23:25] Good evening. Uh again, uh president,
board, and uh and staff. Happy to be
[23:29] back, uh here with you all. Uh so this
is I've got control here, right? Uh
[23:34] forward and back. All right. Um as uh as
Kim shared, uh these images will take
[23:40] you on a walk around uh each one of the
schemes. Uh, another thing I wanted to
[23:46] mention with these, as you see, we're
showing this in a very light, um, just
[23:50] kind of off-white collar with a little
hint of material. So, uh, to build on,
[23:54] uh, a bit of what was said, we're
beginning to hint at materiality. So,
[23:58] uh, keeping that in mind, too, like the
kind of interchangeability of ideas with
[24:02] these schemes, some of these lend
themselves to, uh, inherently a little
[24:06] bit more of a traditional look. Uh, but
even the more modern look uh, could use
[24:12] more traditional materials. masonry or
or wood cladding and different things
[24:16] that could uh kind of help bridge the
gap between the the new and the old. So,
[24:20] just keeping that in mind, we we've
intentionally left these a little bit of
[24:23] a blank slate with that um material uh
flexibility in mind. So, uh I'll take
[24:29] you around this one that we're calling
um contextual presence. And uh as you
[24:34] see immediately it feels a little more
traditional, a little more in uh uh in
[24:39] tune maybe with the the traditional
architecture of the adjacent building.
[24:43] Uh but yeah, very interested to have you
all review all these and and give us
[24:48] your thoughts uh if we're finding that
balance. Um so the uh entry through the
[24:56] middle there, you've got the view
through and hint of the the river
[25:00] beyond. We've got the historic engine
number three. uh tucked into the the
[25:04] space between the buildings on this one
and this one you see we've we've kept a
[25:08] little further away than scheme one. So
you also see the view to the sky beyond
[25:14] um and with the tight program there
there's uh moves that we make with these
[25:18] like with this one you see the upper
level begins to pull forward a bit. So
[25:22] by um kind of tight moving it further
away from the village hall we we flex
[25:27] and scoot the spaces forward a little
bit. So, just a subtle difference that
[25:30] you'll see with some of these. Um, so
here we're moving around um to the
[25:35] northeast. Uh, this one uh also does the
the moves with the massing to step down
[25:41] and then step back up uh at the corners.
Uh here's the view from the swinging
[25:46] bridge of the um south facade. Those
views into the living spaces and then
[25:53] the much larger glazed opening into the
community room on the upper level.
[25:59] Uh this one uh still has as all of them
have the upper and lower um terrace on
[26:04] the river side uh but with a more pulled
back overhang.
[26:10] Um here's the view from the potential
riverwalk uh coming up from the
[26:17] southwest.
[26:20] And uh note again note the the large
windows into and out of the um the
[26:26] community room. Here's the aerial
[26:32] from the northeast and then the other
aerial from the southwest. And also
[26:36] wanted to point out from the southwest
views, you'll see a little hint of what
[26:40] we were thinking of as a potential um
art wall on the what's currently a a
[26:45] literal blank slate on the back side of
the uh the village hall where we just
[26:49] have the lap siding there. Uh our
thought was this could with um the
[26:53] adjacency of the new public space could
be an opportunity for a mural or or art
[26:57] wall of some kind. So you'll see that in
in all of the schemes. Um the other um
[27:04] unique difference on this one uh a much
more um like curve linear approach to
[27:09] the riverw walk. And with all of these
schemes, uh you'll you'll also see how
[27:13] in collaboration with our um uh civil
engineers, we're we're retaining that or
[27:18] we're keeping the existing retaining
wall and any proposed new work is being
[27:22] held back from that retaining wall from
the river. So, uh subtle detail on those
[27:27] riverwalk schemes. There's um the
elevations.
[27:34] Uh and um we're only we were only
showing the like the primary public
[27:38] elevations. Um but we've kind of studied
as you saw in the 3Ds the the the
[27:42] alignment um on all sides.
[27:49] And moving on um to the um next one. I'm
going to take the middle two and then
[27:53] I'll hand it uh hand it off to another
member so you don't have to hear from
[27:56] one of us for too long. Uh so this one
we're calling um spatial framing. And uh
[28:02] what you'll start to see with this one
is this theme of kind of linear bands
[28:06] that uh that encircle and frame certain
spaces or views uh around the building.
[28:11] So um there at the entry, this piece
that rises up and frames that entry and
[28:17] the view through. And you see a hint of
another framing element on the far side,
[28:20] which you'll see as we move around.
[28:25] Uh here we've got the the stair towers,
very similar massing to the others
[28:29] responding to that program, but rather
than the kind of capped tower, it's got
[28:33] this uh framing element that that um uh
frames the tower with some glazing in
[28:38] there to provide light into the stair
tower.
[28:42] Here's the view from the swinging bridge
with the articulation of the south
[28:46] facade. uh more of those um boxed
elements around there which as you start
[28:51] to see in this view and you'll see in
the other ones as well the articulation
[28:54] on the south we begin to push and pull a
little bit to provide solar control on
[28:58] the south uh the lighting here is based
on accurate um sun uh light that would
[29:03] hit the building at different times in
the year uh so you can see how in like
[29:07] morning light in I forget what day we
based this on but the those elements
[29:12] that come out are providing important um
feature to help prevent glare and direct
[29:16] uh heat gain coming into those spaces
while still uh allowing views out.
[29:22] This one uh has that framing around that
upper piece. So uh still open to the
[29:27] river but a little more enclosed.
[29:31] Here's the view uh approaching down the
possible riverwalk extension
[29:39] uh and the aerial views.
[29:47] Yeah. So, more of a angular kind of
river walk uh scheme shown on this one.
[29:52] And you'll notice with all of these, we
we were providing some like stepping
[29:56] terracing or like potential little
planter areas that would provide uh
[29:59] engagement on the the riverwalk and
terrace as well.
[30:04] Here's those elevations.
[30:12] All right, I'll hand it back to Kim.
>> Thank you.
[30:16] So, um, this final scheme, we wanted to,
um, certainly show a version that did
[30:22] have, um, pitched roofs and take a
little bit of a cue from this building
[30:27] in that way, while at the same time not
going quite for the steepness that this
[30:31] building has. This is not a building of
that era, and we don't want to again
[30:35] compete with with this building in that
way. So, um, but we did want to do a
[30:40] version to show you where we use those
different roof shapes again to anchor
[30:45] these, um, sort of towers at the corner
and and give presence to the entryway.
[30:50] Um so um the other thing about this
scheme and why we're calling it
[30:54] traditional anchoring is we're also
exploring some other ideas of smaller
[31:00] punched openings um that might lend
itself more to an overall masonry
[31:04] construction again a little more like
the village hall. And like Joe said, um
[31:09] the materiality is going to be another
opportunity to relate back to this
[31:13] building in terms of color and materials
and those kinds of selections regardless
[31:18] of what uh form the the new building
takes. Um so in terms of the uh some of
[31:24] the elements in the scheme are very
similar to scheme number two in terms of
[31:29] um these vertical kind of engaged
columns and some of the um these sort of
[31:34] outriggers that are something a little
bit prairie style or craftsman uh in
[31:41] nature.
[31:46] So again the similar view towards the
river
[31:52] and in each scheme we are trying to
think about providing you know some
[31:55] space where you would want privacy on
the inside anyway. It creates a signage
[31:59] opportunity on the exterior.
[32:06] So, as we move to the south, again, just
looking at breaking up some of these
[32:11] areas of glazing, slightly smaller
glazing areas, um, balancing some what
[32:17] might be some additional roofing uh,
costs with maybe less glazing costs.
[32:23] Um and in this scheme, one other
difference um on the rear here is that
[32:27] because of the roof um massing, we've
extended the roof out and made this a
[32:33] fully covered uh terrace where the
columns go all the way up to support
[32:37] that roof structure.
Uh again, in this scheme, we're showing
[32:43] a the same kind of riverwalk element
with the curve linear
[32:49] design as in scheme two.
[32:54] you know, knowing that we aren't the
landscape architects, we're the
[32:58] architects, but this building has so
much integral relationship with what we
[33:03] know will be an important river um
feature river future riverwalk. And so,
[33:09] regardless of, you know, even the early
stages right now, we want to make sure
[33:12] that the architecture of this new
facility is addressing that outdoor
[33:15] space even at a conceptual level and
being informed by it.
[33:22] So again, as Joe mentioned, all of the
schemes have that public art opportunity
[33:27] that you know, if you're enjoying this
terrace, you've got a nice view of
[33:32] that public art opportunity.
[33:36] And there you can see a little better in
elevation how those kind of roof
[33:40] elements
um relate but don't compete with the
[33:45] village hall.
So just to kind of recap so you can see
[33:50] them all in one place we thought would
be helpful. Um again I hopefully seeing
[33:54] them all at once um reiterates the point
that we've made about the overall
[33:59] massing the breaking up into public fire
support elements and using those towers
[34:08] to anchor the corners and and mimic the
existing village hall in that way.
[34:17] Sorry.
[34:20] » And again, just this slightly different
riverwalk schemes as placeholders of
[34:25] that future idea and how this terrace
space might start to relate to a future
[34:28] riverwalk.
Okay. Any you want to stop and take some
[34:34] questions on the overall schemes or go
all the way through?
[34:37] » Uh, I'd say go all the way.
>> All the way through. Great.
[34:43] » We'll turn it over to Yes.
[34:50] » All right. Well, thank you everybody and
it's a pleasure to be here and glad to
[34:54] meet you and I know I've worked with a
couple of you in the past on different
[34:56] projects, but as a little introduction
again, Chris Kak with Harbor
[35:00] Contractors. We're a 67y old
construction management contracting
[35:04] company and public safety facilities is
probably one of our primary market
[35:08] segments. I've been with the company for
23 years and I don't recall a time we
[35:12] hadn't had an active public safety
project on at any one of those times. So
[35:17] with our experience on building projects
and current projects and our historical
[35:22] costs, we kind of work with the Williams
team to help pro provide some validation
[35:26] of the costs and obviously are being
presented with some options and
[35:30] decisions to show kind of the order of
magnitude impacts of those types of
[35:33] decisions. So we'll kind of get right
into it. go backwards.
[35:39] So to get right into it, again, we based
everything kind of off of the the scheme
[35:43] one project with initial price and we've
got some details in the background of
[35:46] that, but try to give some validation of
the different schemes and kind of their
[35:51] impacts of how things move along and
change. Obviously, if you look at the
[35:55] concepts, there are some different
things, more roof lines, more glass, and
[35:58] more windows, and those kind of lead to
the
[36:00] » Sure.
>> I'm sorry if I could interrupt.
[36:02] Absolutely. Could you tell us what when
you say scheme one use the terminology
[36:07] as also that so scheme one is the
dynamic?
[36:11] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[36:12] » Thank you.
>> Yep. The scheme one is the dynamic. And
[36:14] let me see if I go back a couple here.
Where's your recap?
[36:19] » Yeah. The scheme one is a dynamic.
>> Yeah.
[36:22] » And the next one, scheme two, the
contextual presence. that would be or um
[36:28] you know the a lower cost of
approximately $300,000 than the scheme
[36:32] one
>> you know you get to go back to scheme
[36:36] three the spatial uh context that one
you know it's basically the same cost as
[36:43] scheme one you know I mean it shows a
small different thing and then scheme
[36:45] four is the highest cost if you go again
you get additional roof lines the extra
[36:51] canopies and all that So,
[36:58] so that's the the total project budget
we came up with and and we'll get to the
[37:01] next slide. It shows it is total project
budget escalation, contingencies, owner
[37:06] costs and all that. You know, that's one
thing that uh you'll you'll see as we go
[37:10] through. And then, you know, on top of
that, we did the riverw walk allowance
[37:14] of uh additional budget of $3.5 million.
you know, the main patio function of all
[37:20] of the options is in the base number,
but the extension of the river walks
[37:24] going east and west, and that's kind of
an area that's kind of up for design a
[37:27] little bit. And then, you know, we did
have another item of renovations to the
[37:31] existing building. You know, there's
some functions that are leaving this
[37:34] building. You know, kind of the basement
moving area. You know, we kind of that
[37:37] as a placeholder of if you're going to
do something with those spaces now or
[37:41] moving on.
So what I want to talk about again this
[37:46] is probably a really important item of
the total project budget. Um we do this
[37:52] a lot. We go through a lot of
municipalities who are you know
[37:55] obviously you're looking what other
people have done and you hear people
[37:58] talk about project costs of different
projects they've done. It's those
[38:02] numbers are often all over the place.
Some of them include land, some of them
[38:06] include owner costs, some of them are
just the building costs. So this
[38:09] represents the total project budget. you
know, going through there. I mean, the
[38:13] biggest item is the construction costs
of the 223, which is about 75% of the
[38:18] total budget. Um, next biggest one is
the soft cost, the owner's cost. You
[38:24] know, it's going to be design fees,
furniture, a lot of costs that you guys
[38:28] have to deal with whenever you're doing
a project. You know, it's kind of
[38:30] all-encompassing of the complete cost.
Um, you know, we have included a
[38:35] contingency at this point. You know, the
way we put these estimates together,
[38:39] like I said, we got a lot of experience
doing this. We've worked with Williams
[38:42] quite a bit. We know even though these
drawings are early stages, we kind of
[38:46] can envision what they're going to be
when they get done completing them. You
[38:49] know, we know all the details that have
to get added. We've had conversations
[38:52] with their structural engineers and work
with their civil side. So, we can kind
[38:56] of anticipate what those things are
going to be, but you know, it's be
[39:00] foolish at this point not to have a
contingency in there because, you know,
[39:02] there's going to be things that move
around. And we also included an
[39:05] escalation factor in there. You know,
anticipating this would be a 2028 start.
[39:10] You know, we kind of do that on a, you
know, average continual escalation over
[39:14] the years. You know, we don't really
factor any current little minor price
[39:17] impacts. They usually all kind of smooth
out and just kind of go over the
[39:20] historical, you know, 3 4% goes kind of
per year. So, anybody have any questions
[39:26] on the total project budget?
Okay.
[39:32] If we go to the next one, you know, um,
one of the things we do on many of the
[39:36] projects, you know, yes, we're a
builder, but we get involved very early
[39:40] on in these conceptual stages. You know,
not only to help guide those or provide
[39:44] some cost validation behind those design
decisions, but as with every project,
[39:50] everybody's trying to find the most
economical way to build the project. So
[39:53] we start looking at options with uh the
Williams team as they're going through
[39:58] design for you know are there ways for
cost reductions. You know there's kind
[40:03] of two major categories A and B. There's
permanent changes. You know decisions
[40:08] that you'll make that you can't really
go back on you know of cutting the
[40:11] building in half or taking off a floor
or something like that. You know major
[40:14] decisions or major program changes of
reducing square footages. Those are
[40:18] difficult to come back with. The next
one is bid alternates or future phases.
[40:23] It's portions of a project that we can
establish when it gets to the point of
[40:28] this thing goes out for trade contractor
bidding alternate pricing. They can be
[40:32] either ads or deducts of hey at uh the
build out of this room. You know, they
[40:37] will provide the actual pricing. That
decision can be made when you get the
[40:40] real final numbers at bid time. So
that's a good strategy to, you know,
[40:45] kind of maximize your budget and also
not, you know, get in a situation where
[40:50] you eliminate something and go, "Oh man,
we got really good numbers. The bids
[40:53] came in really well." You know, in 2008
the economy was a perfect timing for
[40:57] bidding. And we wish we wouldn't have
made that change. It gives you those
[41:00] options to have those things in there
and choose as you go. So, you know,
[41:04] initial options, just talking, you know,
and work with the Williams teams, we
[41:08] came up about $ three and a half million
dollars of just initial options. That's
[41:11] kind of a first round of that. And it's
kind of a continued effort during the
[41:15] design and pre-construction. You know,
the way we work with the Williams teams
[41:19] is as they're coming up with an option
or something, they won't completely
[41:23] spend the time and effort fully to
design it out. They'll they'll consult
[41:26] with us. We'll work with them and guide
them along the way of, hey, this is a
[41:30] more economical way to do it or, you
know, here's a couple options you can
[41:33] consider as you're going through the
design. But you know some of the options
[41:37] we've investigated are you know
reduction in program spaces you know
[41:41] those are things obviously you spent a
lot of time working on a program but you
[41:44] know sometimes choices have to be made
and that's something to look at and you
[41:47] know evaluate it and look at those as
you go through. You know the other thing
[41:52] is build the shell and core with future
buildouts. You know, it's quite common
[41:55] thing we do with a lot of clients where,
you know, hey, you design a portion of
[42:00] the building, you build the entire shell
and cord, everything's there. You just
[42:03] don't put the finishes in and it's
either funded as a separate project or
[42:06] bid as an alternate or something that
could be a future phase of the project.
[42:10] You know, the west parking lot, you
know, kind of the same thing we had in
[42:13] the budget, reconstructing the west
parking lot, you know, and new paving
[42:17] and getting that, you know, uh, cleaned
up and a little bit, you know, that
[42:20] could be a separate project later down
the road. Um, you know, West Garage
[42:24] Drive, you know, we've got the
drive-thru of the garage, you know,
[42:26] running through, you know, from east to
west with the two garage doors. Same
[42:30] thing. That's something it could be a
bid alternate or, you know, done as a
[42:33] future phase on the project. Um, you
know, reduction amount of windows, you
[42:38] know, that's something, you know, as you
look at the different concepts, you
[42:41] know, that's something that could be
applied to any one of these concepts.
[42:43] You know, obviously that's one of the
more expensive items in any project is
[42:46] the glass is more expensive than the
masonry. So, it's something to look at.
[42:50] um alternative exterior materials. You
know, we've already worked with the
[42:54] Williams team on the actual structural
design of the building to kind of uh
[42:58] bring some costs a little bit more in
line with that. But alternate materials,
[43:01] you know, that's something, you know,
not necessarily could be a wholesale
[43:06] change in materials or it could be
selective materials. And Whim's very
[43:09] good at mixing different materials and
making it flow very well with their
[43:12] designs, but that's something we look at
as options as we go through the project.
[43:17] Um, you know, there's other things of
elimination of the ornamental stair, you
[43:20] know, going to something more
traditional with than the kind of
[43:23] grander lobby that's in there. And then,
you know, some open office space
[43:27] layouts, you know, I mean, that's
something to look at a little more of a
[43:30] different concept where you have more of
a cubicle type arrangement than offices.
[43:34] Obviously, given the nature of this
facility, some of those things are need
[43:37] to be separate, you know, separate
private offices, but it's an option to
[43:41] look at. So pretty much it's it's to
provide kind of a guideline, a path of
[43:47] moving forward and continually looking
at options throughout the process of
[43:52] what's the most economical way to meet
your guys' vision. So that's kind of
[43:56] where we provide that support and help
with that along the way. So any
[44:01] questions on that cost reduction process
or thoughts?
[44:07] » We'll go through uh this. Yeah, once you
guys are done, we'll we'll go through
[44:12] this in more detail.
>> Absolutely. I think that's the last
[44:15] slide.
[44:19] » We got one.
[44:23] » Thank you, Chris. So, um just to wrap up
and then um open everything up for
[44:27] questions and for feedback. um next
steps. We certainly want to hear from
[44:31] all of you um what you um what you're
thinking, what questions you have, what
[44:35] preferences you have. Anything that you
want to say, don't ever show us again.
[44:39] It's all um it's all on the table and
the goal is to show you a number of
[44:44] options um so that we can work together
to get um to the solution that's in the
[44:49] best interest of the community. So um as
we mentioned, we we'll have this
[44:53] discussion tonight, answer questions you
have. We want to um if we are not if you
[45:00] all coales around a particular exterior
idea that's wonderful. That is not our
[45:05] expectation or our goal for this
evening. It's merely to receive
[45:09] feedback. If you wish as a um village
board to sort of narrow the funnel um
[45:14] for preservation
certainly um is is something you can
[45:19] choose to do. Um but um our next steps
are to present this um to that group and
[45:24] then to start the engagement process to
um inform the community um not only
[45:30] about the design for this project and
the options for this project um but to
[45:34] work with staff and work with all of you
around the underlying need. Why are we
[45:39] doing this? Why is this necessary? Why
are we doing it now? So, um that is all
[45:44] coming up in um in the coming weeks and
months, but um it's a lot of
[45:49] information. Um we're doing a public
safety facility with fire and a lot of
[45:54] information sort of through a proverbial
fire hose. So, at this point, love to
[45:58] turn it over to you for questions and
comments.
[46:00] » Thank you. Um in order for us to you
know, there's a lot to digest here
[46:06] obviously. uh and in order I want to
organize how we proceed with our
[46:11] discussion. I have a suggestion but I
I'm open to to uh other other
[46:17] considerations. I would suggest we go
through the visuals first one at a time.
[46:25] Maybe we say what we like and don't like
about each one and uh then we get into
[46:30] the cost reduction um
uh discussion because the cost reduction
[46:36] applies equally more or less to all the
different options. Right. Yeah. Does
[46:41] that work for the trustees?
>> So I'd like to start with the site plan
[46:46] because I have one comment on the site
plan.
[46:51] » Thank you.
I'll just stay right here.
[46:55] » And and this relates to the cost savings
stuff, too. My
[47:00] comment when I f saw this over the
weekend was, do we really need that west
[47:05] drive at all? Uh, and so I asked manager
Francis that and I believe the answer
[47:10] was not really.
>> No. Um, initially when we were talking
[47:14] about that drive, it was when we were
conceptually thinking about having the
[47:19] the fire apparatus kind of swinging
around, but that changed and evolved
[47:24] over time. So that additional access
point is is not needed and actually that
[47:29] will probably help free up space for a
trash enclosure
[47:34] » and it could be repurp or could be used
in the future as more public space as
[47:39] well.
>> Sure. It's valuable riverfront space to
[47:42] have unnecessary drive
doesn't seem necessary.
[47:48] » But sort of the site plan question leads
into another one of my
[47:53] questions about all the schemes and that
is um for the mechanicals for the
[47:58] buildings. Um you know a lot of places
put their air conditioner condensers on
[48:03] the roof. I just wasn't clear on where
the intended place for that was and
[48:11] whether they would be visible or somehow
enclosed.
[48:16] » Sure. I I can I can answer that
question. And um we're we haven't
[48:19] determined the um the exact mechanical
systems for the project, but um it's
[48:25] very likely that we'd have something for
cooling and ventilation on the roof um
[48:30] which would be fully screened. um that
lower roof over the apparatus bays is an
[48:35] ideal place for that. Um I have not
studied your zoning ordinance in great
[48:39] detail, but I'm relatively certain that
it would require screening of those
[48:43] units. So um that would handle a lot of
the ventilation and cooling heating. Um
[48:48] we can we can look at options indoors.
Um we do like to do these facilities um
[48:54] with hot water heat um and then air
handling units which could be in the
[48:58] basement mechanical rooms. But um we do
anticipate some degree of equipment on
[49:02] the roof and for that equipment to be
screened.
[49:06] » Are there um any of the particular
designs that would be um more amendable
[49:12] to that? I mean it seems like some of
them are pretty
[49:17] um flat and low.
>> Yeah, I think it's something we have to
[49:22] study to be very honest. In my mind, um
the the more contemporary or the the low
[49:28] slope or flat roof concepts um that have
more horizontal elements lend themselves
[49:34] to um those mechanical enclosures a
little better because we could use more
[49:39] horizontal elements to help with that
screening. But um if the desire of um
[49:46] the village is to explore something that
has those more traditional forms, we can
[49:50] find ways to to screen in in ways that
that make sense. We we work on projects
[49:55] all the time where it looks like a
sloped roof building from the street and
[50:01] um somewhere in the center invisible to
anybody except someone who has a drone
[50:05] or somebody flying over. Um you've got
some accounts and stuff there.
[50:09] » Wonderful. Thank you.
>> So I think we can work that up no matter
[50:11] what. Okay. Any other questions or
comments on the site plan?
[50:17] Is there a general agreement to
eliminate the West Drive?
[50:21] » Yes.
>> Great. Um, so let's move on to the uh
[50:28] dynamic
response. Was that was Yeah. So, and
[50:33] before we get into that detail, I just
want to answer one question that I know
[50:37] we we all have had or I've heard is uh
we're not at the stage where we could
[50:43] say what we're doing to make this an
environmentally friendly building, but
[50:47] we will be and it will be an
environmentally friendly building to the
[50:52] extent possible. uh meaning bird
friendly windows uh meaning uh efficient
[50:58] uh utilities all the stuff that goes
into making a building sustainable. So
[51:04] that will be a priority. It's just we're
not there yet.
[51:09] So dynamic response,
what do you like or dislike about it?
[51:16] » Anybody?
Aine?
[51:19] » I actually like this one a lot. Um, I
really like the fact that it has, um,
[51:27] some angularity to it. Um, it's
contemporary. I see, you know, in the
[51:33] section that's behind the, um, Riverside
logo that there's some, uh, you know,
[51:39] horizontal banding, which suggests to me
that warm wood that you sometimes see in
[51:44] in contemporary glass like you were
talking about. um kind of softening or
[51:50] harmonizing with materials
um you know something that is of a
[51:56] different time period with its
surrounding architecture. So, um, you
[52:01] know, this, uh, is very intriguing to me
and, um, you know, I'm always I always
[52:08] kind of wonder a little bit about like
the pitch of the roof or is it flat?
[52:12] Like, I can't exactly tell what's going
on with it, um, and how that works with
[52:17] drainage and things like that, but I
really think it's a um, very energetic
[52:24] and dynamic building. So, congrats on
the initial concept. Um, I'm not sure
[52:30] about the Riverwalk. Um, you know,
having that be straight
[52:37] as straight as it is. I mean, that's
very very angular. Um, but in general, I
[52:43] think uh there's a lot of positive
things to be said about this one.
[52:49] » I completely agree with you.
>> All right. So, there you go. Um, when I
[52:56] look at all four of them,
the this first one is the one that I
[53:00] actually had an emotional response to. I
actually felt like architecture is such
[53:06] a big deal in Riverside and we have so
many different architectural styles
[53:11] incorporated
and
[53:15] this to me is a visually interesting
building that doesn't try and blend in.
[53:20] It doesn't it's in it in itself
It is interesting.
[53:26] I also feel like um I worked on a
college campus for over a decade and
[53:32] obviously there were always we were
always building and every time we tried
[53:36] to build something that looked a lot
like something else, it was never
[53:40] received well because it never looked
enough like it and it never it was
[53:46] trying to be something else. And one of
the things I really like about this is
[53:52] it's not trying to be like the building
that's directly next to it, which is
[53:57] something that is awesome in Riverside
that you can have two houses. You can
[54:00] have a Victorian right next to a
Franklidd Wright, right next to a
[54:04] bungalow. And so I really liked
the way that the lines kind of called to
[54:12] the building next to it and were
cohesive with it, but it was its own
[54:17] building. it was its own design. Um,
that was really, like I said, this is
[54:23] the only one I actually had a response
to. The rest of them I was like, well,
[54:26] these are fine. Um, the other thing I
love about this one is I love all the
[54:31] glass and I feel like if you are inside
this building, you're going to get a ton
[54:36] of natural light and feel much more like
you're in nature. Um, way more so than,
[54:42] you know, it was we were talking with
the last scheme where the openings were
[54:47] smaller and stuff. I really felt like
this would feel much more connected to
[54:51] the river and the forest that's around
it more so than some of the other
[54:56] designs.
[55:00] » Any other comments on this?
>> I have a question. So, it looks like the
[55:05] the the roof on scheme one it's pitched.
Is it does it go like this or is it
[55:12] straight across the top?
>> I mean it it will have a pitch to drink
[55:15] water.
>> There are number of way that we handle
[55:18] that. Um and and even with the p pitched
roof beyond that fascia element that is
[55:24] the large horizontal band, you know,
would stay flat.
[55:28] » So um it may be a little bit of optical
illusion with the way that it bends
[55:32] around the turret. It does kind of look
as though it's peeking up, but the
[55:37] intent is that it be a really strong
horizontal band of facial all the way
[55:41] around the building. And that movement
is more in plan view.
[55:50] Uh, I'm happy to provide my my thoughts.
Um, initially this wasn't my favorite,
[55:57] although I liked it. I still like it.
Uh, Trusty Marsha and Trusty Cost may
[56:03] convince me that it's the favorite. But
what I do like about it a lot is all the
[56:10] glass on the front side. Mhm.
>> I mean, I think that is
[56:15] it's symbolic of transparency. Uh, it
connects it to the exterior.
[56:22] Um, I I really like that part of it. I
like the horizontal lines. I like the uh
[56:30] small thing, but I really like the sign
freeze above the garage doors, the
[56:35] opportunity to have that branding there,
that Riverside Public Safety Center. Um,
[56:41] I realize you could do that in other
ways on other elevations, but on this
[56:45] one it's got a nice perfect It's like
it's designed to have that. It would
[56:49] look empty without the sign on it.
Um what I am hesitant about with it is
[56:57] the blank wall that we're looking at
right now where the uh uh you know on
[57:02] the left side of the the the bays and
then on the back side.
[57:10] Um yes I like that. Okay. Initially I
thought there was too much blank walls
[57:16] but maybe maybe not. Maybe not.
>> Sorry.
[57:20] um or that from that perspective it made
me feel like there were too many blank
[57:24] walls.
Um but
[57:30] those were my thoughts. Does anyone else
want to weigh in?
[57:35] We'll go on to the Go ahead.
>> Um I like all of them. I think we all do
[57:42] great work on it and I like how the
facade is broken up. For me, this design
[57:47] doesn't break it up enough. And I know
that's intentional to take that straight
[57:51] line all the way across the main part of
the building.
[57:55] Just my personal preference. I don't
care for that.
[58:02] » Uh I would just like to say your
emphasis on the windows in the back just
[58:06] because that's the that's overlooking
the river which is our most important.
[58:13] say that one of the comments on this
scheme in particular that
[58:16] » Can you go to the podium please?
>> Sorry just one of the comments on this
[58:21] scheme from the group about the glass
from the riverside was a concern for
[58:25] vandalism. They do get a there are as we
were having this discussion walking
[58:29] through broken windows facing the river.
And so from a practical standpoint, we
[58:35] wanted to again show a variety of
options um if more glazing for views and
[58:40] and that's why in this scheme we did
really try to focus in on where are
[58:43] people um occupying the space for long
periods of time and having views from
[58:48] the living spaces, the apparatus bay at
the lower level that's more prone to
[58:52] damage from both inside and out. Um and
then focusing the glass more on the
[58:58] community space where it will have the
views. But um as mentioned uh any of
[59:04] these comments about where you do or
don't want more glass, you know, we can
[59:08] translate those comments easily to any
of the schemes.
[59:12] » Are they designed as all windows or is
it just a sort of a strip of windows?
[59:17] » I mean typically when we have a large
expansive glass like this, it will
[59:21] either be a curtain wall system or a
storefront system. So it's not all
[59:25] operable if that's what So we would
design certain amount of actual
[59:29] ventilation open windows that can open
within that system, but it would not all
[59:34] be operable if that's
>> You mean open and close?
[59:38] » Yes. Sorry.
>> No, I wasn't really thinking about that.
[59:40] I just wanted to know how big the
windows are. It looks like there's only
[59:44] a strip of windows, not the whole space,
the whole area of the squares.
[59:48] » I see. I think you're seeing the ceiling
going through and so that looks solid.
[59:53] Yes. Yeah, I see what you're saying now.
>> So, uh that is ceiling beyond.
[59:59] » I see it. And then actually in this
space, if you're in the this is the
[1:00:04] dining room, um there are glass there
are windows um looking over the
[1:00:10] apparatus bay on the other side. So, and
there's also windows lower looking from
[1:00:14] that space into the apparatus bay. So, I
think you're actually seeing I'm going
[1:00:19] to go the other way.
Nope, wrong way.
[1:00:25] These windows showing through
>> from the back view is what is kind of
[1:00:30] throwing off that view of the glass.
Thank you for
[1:00:35] pointing that out.
[1:00:39] » Also, I just want to mention where you
see the most windows are the public
[1:00:44] spaces because that was staff's focus as
we met with Williams.
[1:00:49] Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to have
windows. I don't I mean, it'd be cool to
[1:00:55] have textual design, textual
architecture design in the bottom part
[1:01:00] where the bay is, but it doesn't make
sense to have windows there because
[1:01:04] that's where all the trucks are and
stuff like that. You know, like you
[1:01:08] said, they can get damaged that that's
not a great spot for I mean, as much as
[1:01:13] I would love it, there's not a lot to
see and there's not a lot of people
[1:01:16] looking even from inside. There aren't
people looking outside.
[1:01:21] » Yeah, it it may be that the selection of
exterior materials will
[1:01:26] » impact this view a lot.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:31] » As well as the landscape and ramp
design, you know, other things that we
[1:01:35] use to fill it to fill in that lower
space. Um there's opportunities both for
[1:01:40] landscaping and material change to make
sure that's not a large blank facade.
[1:01:46] Any
other comments on this one?
[1:01:52] » So, let's uh talk about number two,
contextual.
[1:01:59] » Sorry,
they're really small on my screen.
[1:02:04] So, I'm seeing a lot of the same shapes
roughly.
[1:02:07] » There you go.
>> That's where we go.
[1:02:19] There we go. Contextual
[1:02:24] » justice.
[1:02:27] » This is my favorite one. Again, I like
how it's broken up. I like this there's
[1:02:32] a lot of vertical lines to it. And of
course, the windows.
[1:02:42] I like this one less because I liked the
horizontality of the other one and I
[1:02:47] feel like the columns here are
distracting in a way um that they're
[1:02:53] just
>> they're kind of like
[1:02:57] added
just so we could have columns and I
[1:03:01] don't it doesn't speak to the it doesn't
really speak to function for me. So,
[1:03:10] » I have a question about the the entry,
the main entry. Is it a triangle in
[1:03:17] between the two buildings?
Is it smaller?
[1:03:21] What is the shape of the lobby?
>> Where the truck is. Are you talking
[1:03:26] about? Yeah.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:03:29] » So, just as a reminder, I'll opine and
then Williams can fill in the gaps. So,
[1:03:34] we're going to be taking down where
basically the fire trucks are, right?
[1:03:40] Because that was an old addition. Um,
all the fire equipment and then you have
[1:03:45] offices currently on the outside of
that. So, all of that would be removed.
[1:03:50] So, what you're seeing in creating that
connection are is the connection to the
[1:03:56] historic building which occupies where
uh our front desk is. Um it also has uh
[1:04:05] different areas as it relates to police
uh other like copier equipment, those
[1:04:10] types of things. And so it's kind of
mirroring the existing building,
[1:04:14] creating that lobby connection to then
the the new building. So it would be
[1:04:20] somewhat triangular, but it it'll be
open as it's kind of illustrated there.
[1:04:25] Does that make sense? Okay.
[1:04:37] What I liked about this one was the the
roof line, the cornice line.
[1:04:44] Um,
[1:04:48] you know,
puts a definitive
[1:04:52] end on the height of the building. Um,
which probably, you know, gives it a
[1:04:58] little bit better relationship to the to
the town hall building.
[1:05:04] Um,
the uh turrets or the columns, if you'll
[1:05:10] go back to that,
[1:05:14] that corner piece on the left has
windows. It has it has a cap. It's like
[1:05:19] a traditional Roman column or whatever.
I think it'd be an ionic column.
[1:05:26] Um,
or Doric.
[1:05:29] » Doric is the one with the swirls at the
top.
[1:05:31] » Ionic. Ionic has the it has the curls.
Corinthian has the
[1:05:36] » leaves. Right.
>> So, it's Doric. Ionic.
[1:05:40] » Corinthian.
>> Doric. The simplest.
[1:05:44] » Please tell me you got that on tape.
Please tell me some of you that was all
[1:05:53] » my work is done.
>> Um
[1:05:59] I I like the backside of this one.
Um but quite honestly equally I I like
[1:06:05] that it's cost less.
Um,
[1:06:11] I mean that's not a deal. That's, you
know, it's doesn't cost enough less
[1:06:16] to where if I, you know, didn't like it,
I'd do it. But, um, but that's a plus in
[1:06:23] its column.
[1:06:28] » I I mean, I I I like this one. I feel
like it's But I feel like it's fine.
[1:06:34] » It's not as exciting.
>> That's how I feel. It's fine.
[1:06:38] » It's not as risky, not as exciting.
>> Yeah. And I feel like we're such an
[1:06:44] architectural village, right? It's
architecture is so important to so many
[1:06:48] people in this village that having
something that's just kind of
[1:06:52] » fine or like, you know,
I'm I'm not I don't want to offend
[1:06:58] anybody. I'm really sorry, but like it
looks like a lovely strip mall or like a
[1:07:03] I mean like a really lovely one. Not
like your gross corn, you know, but like
[1:07:07] it looks it's like a lovely strip mall
kind of thing and I don't feel like it
[1:07:12] has the like wow.
>> Yeah.
[1:07:17] Okay.
>> Any other comments on this one?
[1:07:22] » I agree with Trustee Cos.
We are never like this. This is awesome.
[1:07:30] Well, let's uh move on to number three.
Spatial framing
[1:07:38] » to me. This one's similar to the first
one. Not the same, but has a lot of
[1:07:42] similarities.
[1:07:46] » The lines are a little bit more broken
up.
[1:07:54] » Any other comments on this one or
You said that it was um a craftsman
[1:08:02] style.
>> That was the windows
[1:08:05] » two
more.
[1:08:09] » I'm sorry. Two and four.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:08:11] » Two and four.
>> This is a little more modern in the
[1:08:16] same.
>> Can you go to the microphone, please?
[1:08:18] » I can't pick it up for our audio if it's
not on the mic. I apologize. I
[1:08:22] apologize.
Um, anyone can answer these questions
[1:08:25] for our team, but um, yeah, this one has
a little bit more of a modern references
[1:08:30] in the framing lines, whereas op scheme
um, two and four did have some what we
[1:08:36] would consider more traditional
Craftsman detailing with um, the deep
[1:08:41] overhangs and the um, the detailing of
kind of the outriggers supporting that
[1:08:46] roof line.
But, you know, that can be accentuated
[1:08:51] or or not in terms of the detailing of
the building. So,
[1:08:57] this one seems just too modern.
I don't know if it would look
[1:09:04] as nice next to the township building.
Looks very modern to me.
[1:09:15] » A little too busy and distracting.
>> Yeah.
[1:09:21] I wasn't too I wasn't didn't didn't
really like the uh if you'll go to that
[1:09:27] the backside perspective.
>> Yeah. Well, no, not that one. What the
[1:09:33] the swinging bridge side?
[1:09:38] » This one.
>> That's good. That's good.
[1:09:42] the the framing of the columns on the
edges at the corners and the framing of
[1:09:47] the window bays
seemed to me to be not natural.
[1:09:54] Something like that. Not organic.
[1:09:58] » Interesting.
>> Um,
[1:10:01] so
speak for myself, either one or two I'd
[1:10:08] prefer over this one.
Does anybody feel any differently from
[1:10:12] that?
[1:10:16] » Good. We can move on to number four.
[1:10:26] » Traditional anchoring. This is the most
expensive one, right?
[1:10:32] » And that's I'm guessing because of the
roof almost entirely, if not entirely,
[1:10:38] » which I did like the roof. this one.
[1:10:45] » Others comments.
>> Uh, this is my least favorite one. Uh,
[1:10:52] again, I'm sorry, Alex, but I don't love
the roof. Um, I also don't love that the
[1:10:57] windows are are smaller and choppier. I
like seeing the expanse of windows.
[1:11:03] I think it's
Yeah, I I I just think it's more
[1:11:08] interesting.
with the expansive windows. And I I
[1:11:13] don't know.
Yeah. Again, I worry what I worry about
[1:11:16] with this one is that it's gonna look
like that. We tried really hard to make
[1:11:22] it sort of look like the building that's
next to it, but it doesn't really look
[1:11:26] like the building that's next to it. And
that people are going to be like, "We
[1:11:29] tried, but we didn't." And it's going to
look not right.
[1:11:35] Not that you wouldn't do a fantastic job
on it, but
[1:11:40] » but you're you're absolutely correct,
trusty cause, and you've commented
[1:11:44] before. I think historic preservation
preservationists would say the same
[1:11:50] thing. Don't try to look just like the
other building.
[1:11:55] Be respectful of the other building, but
don't try to copy it.
[1:12:01] » Exactly.
That's a fine line. I know. But
[1:12:05] » no, no, no. You're right. Because I can
understand if if you did have the same
[1:12:08] shingles on both buildings, then you are
trying to mimic it. After two different
[1:12:12] ones, it still wouldn't compliment it
quite well. At number one, it does have
[1:12:17] a very nice complimentary horizontal
line.
[1:12:21] It does pay some homage to it as well.
So, um, while I was impressed with this
[1:12:26] one, it's not my favorite. I would think
number one, probably the best one.
[1:12:33] So, given what I'm hearing, does this
rise above one or two for anybody?
[1:12:40] » Good. But we're down to two.
Um, and I would suggest
[1:12:47] that uh we send those two to to our
preservation commission
[1:12:53] saying here's what
we like and ask for their feedback.
[1:13:00] Emily, can you put the four up again?
>> Yeah.
[1:13:03] » Thank you.
>> Yeah, this is four.
[1:13:06] » No, four.
>> All four. Sorry.
[1:13:10] » Page 175.
[1:13:22] » I think that's a good suggestion.
So that's the plan based on the board's
[1:13:27] discussion is the next step is the April
9th preservation meeting that we would
[1:13:33] solicit additional feedback
[1:13:39] » and want to send one and two to them. Is
that what we're doing?
[1:13:42] » Mhm.
>> What's that?
[1:13:43] » We're going to send schemes one and two.
>> Yes.
[1:13:45] » Okay.
Well, I mean they can look at all four
[1:13:48] of them because this is on our website,
but
[1:13:51] » yeah,
>> the direction would be the village board
[1:13:54] is asking for their response to one or
two. If
[1:13:59] they like if they have comments about
three or four, I wouldn't stop them from
[1:14:03] commenting, but
>> you know,
[1:14:06] » free speech and all.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:10] So, let's uh let's next go to the cost
reduction page.
[1:14:16] Wait, could we just say one more thing
about scheme one?
[1:14:20] » Yeah.
>> So, I think your feedback was that the
[1:14:23] the side the east facing side was too
plain.
[1:14:29] » Well, it's more that
that blank column that faces the street.
[1:14:36] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, it's the doors just that one
[1:14:39] column.
And maybe it maybe it makes sense and
[1:14:42] maybe again it's with the right
materials it's fine.
[1:14:47] » Um
>> or open to suggestions on that one.
[1:14:51] » Yeah.
>> Or
[1:14:52] » could you just maybe do something to it?
[1:14:57] » It's a stair.
>> So
[1:14:59] » stairway. Yeah.
>> Which you I mean like Kristen said you
[1:15:02] could do architectural elements. You you
know there's you could do I was kind of
[1:15:07] thinking in the blank spaces they
wouldn't necess In all of these games,
[1:15:11] they wouldn't necessarily be blank. They
would they're just blank slates. I don't
[1:15:16] know. Maybe I'm
>> be a contrasting panel of some kind.
[1:15:20] Right.
>> Well, and I also just wanted to remind
[1:15:22] everybody as well like some of the
elements could be interchange. So, one
[1:15:26] thing that came to my mind there was
signage potentially like we showed
[1:15:29] there's that area adjacent to the entry
which kind of makes sense for a good
[1:15:33] signage location, but there's all like
that could be an opportunity for for
[1:15:37] signage. Um, but absolutely like there's
still opportunity to articulate it with
[1:15:41] windows. I recall in this scheme, I
think the way that that stair gets its
[1:15:45] light is that we had like a narrow slit
window on the side that's not really
[1:15:50] visible, but as some of the other
examples showed, that's a great
[1:15:53] opportunity to do like a linear slit
window that would let light into the
[1:15:57] stairs. So, yeah, there's definitely
ways that that could be further
[1:16:00] developed.
>> Cool.
[1:16:05] Okay.
>> Anything else on the elevations?
[1:16:09] » Let's uh go to that cost reduction page.
[1:16:21] » Go Emily. Go. Go Emily. Go. You can do
it.
[1:16:28] » I'm glad she was doing that. I would be
panicking.
[1:16:32] would be like I can't find.
>> We also have broken out slides for the
[1:16:36] cost estimates too that kind of depict
more if you need more visual.
[1:16:41] » So there there was another page though
that had the list
[1:16:45] of that.
>> Yeah.
[1:16:47] » Yeah.
>> So let's go through that. Uh reduction
[1:16:53] in program spaces that just means making
the building smaller, right?
[1:17:00] I don't think we want to do that.
>> No.
[1:17:02] » No.
>> I mean, yeah.
[1:17:05] Uh, build shell and core for future.
Uh,
[1:17:10] » no.
>> That just means spending money later
[1:17:13] than rather than
>> more expensive.
[1:17:15] » And if we're going to referendum,
you know, I feel like we should be
[1:17:21] honest and say this is what it costs and
>> yeah,
[1:17:23] » just how much money we need.
Um, we talked about the west driveway
[1:17:31] and I think we agreed that we would
eliminate that.
[1:17:37] » Uh, we talked a lot about windows and if
anything we wanted more windows
[1:17:43] so that one's out. And then yeah,
exterior materials that's for a future
[1:17:48] discussion. Correct. We can decide what
you at some point we'll see what the
[1:17:53] different materials cost and what the
savings are
[1:17:56] » uh in that
>> the elimination of ornamental stair I'm
[1:18:01] guessing trustees don't have an opinion
until you see the difference between
[1:18:06] » the ornamental and non-orthnamental
right
[1:18:09] » and how much we save or don't save
>> so that is that the difference more or
[1:18:13] less
>> this more of an open stair I can let
[1:18:17] » Yeah. So, um, ornamental and open stairs
we kind of use interchangeably. So,
[1:18:23] these are some more contemporary
examples, especially if you're, um,
[1:18:27] tending in the direction of our schemes
one or two. Um, this kind of expression
[1:18:32] where the stairs and railings are a
little little bit more contemporary,
[1:18:37] open to the rest of the space. Um
whereas if you um um if we're looking at
[1:18:42] a clo an enclosed stair or what we would
normally consider an egress stair, yes,
[1:18:48] we can do some glass. Um so there there
is um a measure of transparency, but um
[1:18:54] just not as nice, you know, um more of
what we would think of um as an enclosed
[1:18:59] exit stair like you have right at the
front um of the building here. So there
[1:19:04] is obviously a cost difference um
between those two. Um but um it it's one
[1:19:11] way among many to um save a few dollars
if you're so inclined.
[1:19:17] » I can only speak for myself. I'm not so
inclined.
[1:19:20] » Yeah, I'm not either.
>> Yeah, those that first two pictures is
[1:19:26] beautiful. That's you know that's our
public space,
[1:19:29] » right? If
>> you'll go back to the previous one.
[1:19:32] Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:19:41] » No, the other stair one.
>> Oh,
[1:19:45] » that's the enclosed.
>> The other stair.
[1:19:48] » Pretty one.
>> Pretty one.
[1:19:51] » Yeah. No, that's
>> that's nice.
[1:19:53] » That one on the left. That's what I want
our
[1:19:56] primary village space to look like.
>> Yeah.
[1:20:00] Gate uh the Gateley Park Fieldhouse in
um on the far south side of Chicago if
[1:20:05] anybody's interested one of our
projects.
[1:20:09] » Well done.
>> Yes.
[1:20:11] » What is in the space underneath the uh
staircase?
[1:20:15] » Great great question. Um so um whenever
we have a stair um where you have open
[1:20:22] space underneath um we can't essentially
we can't let somebody underneath it
[1:20:27] until the head room is at least 6'8. So
we need a way to block off those lower
[1:20:33] areas
>> um so we're not bumping our heads up
[1:20:36] against something. And in this
particular project, they just decided to
[1:20:40] enclose that with a little bit of a um a
low wall that people could sit on as
[1:20:44] they're in the lobby.
Depending on how we would articulate the
[1:20:48] stair, um we may not end up having that
condition at all where we'd have to
[1:20:52] close close that off.
>> We just had a moment. I just saw a um an
[1:20:59] open staircase with an enclosure like
that that had seating on the outside,
[1:21:03] but it had a lyken garden. on the inside
of it which is like extremely
[1:21:09] lowmaintenance and it was installed in
this really artistic pattern and I can
[1:21:14] show you photos and it was cool and that
would be a really neat um
[1:21:20] » absolutely
>> I feel like that doesn't fall into the
[1:21:22] cost savings you know but you know you
and I yeah I think it's right there
[1:21:29] » be an LC project
>> once in a while
[1:21:32] » love it sustainability
>> there y So there was one more item on
[1:21:37] that list of co potential cost
reductions I think.
[1:21:41] » Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not interested in
open office space layouts
[1:21:47] » and I you know that was a trend for a
long time and I'm sure you guys can can
[1:21:53] can have have an opinion on that. From
everything I've read open office space
[1:21:59] makes people less productive.
I I've read articles to that. I
[1:22:05] Yeah, because of the distractions, I
guess. But
[1:22:08] » well, and I think we're building this
for public safety and for I mean,
[1:22:13] » primarily we want this to be
>> people make sure
[1:22:16] » Yeah, we want to be nice. Yeah, that's
that's the those are the spaces that I
[1:22:21] least want to
>> No one wants a cube
[1:22:23] » cut, right?
>> We don't want cubes.
[1:22:26] » Yeah, cubes are no fun for anyone.
Okay,
[1:22:32] » I have intentionally been quiet for the
time being. I'm not pretending I am a
[1:22:38] design expert on anything. Uh Chris can
attest to this though I've been through
[1:22:42] this before um with with a project
similar actually bigger in size uh with
[1:22:49] with the public safety thing. And uh I
just want to say first off from my
[1:22:54] perspective uh the site design was the
most important thing operationally uh
[1:23:00] administratively it was staff driven in
regards to the layouts of everything. So
[1:23:04] I think that's the most important thing
as long as the designs whether it's one
[1:23:08] through four at any point does not um
interfere with any of the operations or
[1:23:15] with the public engagement. I think I'm
fine with that. If you had to ask me for
[1:23:20] any type of um design element, I would
say make the walkways curvy.
[1:23:26] » That's
>> meandering. We like to call it
[1:23:27] meandering.
>> Meandering. Um
[1:23:29] » please.
>> I think you guys you did a great job.
[1:23:32] » Yeah.
>> With with with the layout um for the
[1:23:34] site because I'm more operational on it.
Um and I would defer to the board and
[1:23:38] preservation for for their direction as
well.
[1:23:43] » Thank you. Anything else?
>> Very good. Thank you. Well,
[1:23:49] » thank you all for such um thoughtful
commentary, honest commentary. Um it's
[1:23:55] important for us to hear what you like
and what you don't like because that
[1:23:59] helps us get to the best possible
solution. Um I also want to thank um our
[1:24:04] entire team in addition to um our um
Riverside resident Joe and Kim. There's
[1:24:10] another team of folks behind this effort
um at at our office that has really um
[1:24:15] poured their heart and soul into this.
This is a really exciting project for us
[1:24:19] to be a part of and we're really looking
forward to next steps. So, thank you
[1:24:23] very much.
>> Thank you.
[1:24:24] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:24:25] » We're we're gonna talk about a potential
referendum now. So, you might want to
[1:24:29] stick around and listen to this.
>> How we pay for it
[1:24:32] » because that sounds super fun, right?
>> So, yes. Next on the agenda is
[1:24:38] discussion of regarding public safety
facility referendum.
[1:24:46] Manager Francis,
>> thank you. Um, so as we embarked on this
[1:24:50] journey back in November of 2024, it was
discussed that to bring this facility to
[1:24:57] fruition, we would have to do a
referendum. We just didn't have the
[1:25:01] capacity to look at alternative ways, no
matter how creative we are as a team.
[1:25:06] You know, that that's a heavy lift. And
so, um, as part of the discussion, we
[1:25:13] did reach out to Spear Financial, who is
the village's financial advisor, who
[1:25:18] we've worked with in the past to issue
debt. Um, and so they provided us some
[1:25:24] scenarios
relative to how much debt the village
[1:25:29] could issue. Now, debt is dictated on
the village's equalized assessed value,
[1:25:34] and you'll see up there. So, um, tells
you what the formula is for our limited
[1:25:40] for our tax our debt limitation. Um,
currently our general obligation bonds
[1:25:47] is 1.9 million. That's our limited tax
debt that we issued a couple of years
[1:25:51] ago. And so, you deduct that and say how
much is left for you to issue as debt.
[1:25:57] Now, as our equalized assessed value
continues to grow, so example, once the
[1:26:02] PUD is built, that will go up. Um
typically every year your equalized
[1:26:09] assessed value as a village continues to
increase based on improvements and
[1:26:12] reinvestment in the community. Um so
that number that 34.9 million won't
[1:26:19] remain static presumably you know if
staff and the village is doing
[1:26:24] everything right that number will
continue to go up in future years. So
[1:26:29] with that being said, we asked Spear to
provide us some examples. Um, and this
[1:26:36] was be obviously when we had some ranges
and Harbors provided a little bit more
[1:26:42] concrete numbers. So we did a max of an
issuance amount of 28 million it over 20
[1:26:49] years. That's the maximum time frame in
which we can do. And then it would show
[1:26:53] the financial impact on typical ho
households based on the market value of
[1:26:59] the home. And so it's broken out on
annual cost versus monthly costs. Um
[1:27:05] obviously if we were to increase that we
would to 29 million you would see an
[1:27:11] incremental increase. Um and we will
certainly get that for the board. We
[1:27:15] weren't sure what was going to be cut or
how this discussion was going to where
[1:27:20] it was going to go as it relates to size
and other eliminations, but we do have
[1:27:25] the capacity to increase that issuance
amount. Um, now all of these are based
[1:27:32] on certain percentages, 4% interest.
We're double A+ bond rated community, so
[1:27:39] we're not quite at that triple
AAA bonding. Um but so we're receiving a
[1:27:46] much lower rate than other communities
that don't have sound financial
[1:27:50] practices, procedures, policies, etc. So
we benefit in that respect. And so there
[1:27:56] are times even when you go for an
issuance amount. Let's say we went for
[1:27:59] 28 million, but then there's I don't
want to get too far in the weeds, but we
[1:28:04] get a really good interest rate and it's
less and we get a good discount rate. It
[1:28:08] could actually be more than 28 million
that's issued to us.
[1:28:13] Um, and so that's where those numbers
look like for that. And so part of the
[1:28:21] initial discussion is do you you don't
want to ex you don't want to come up
[1:28:27] against the maximum amount of your debt
limit, right? Because there could be a
[1:28:32] need to issue debt to do an additional
referendum in the future. And so you
[1:28:37] always want to keep that that buffer,
right?
[1:28:40] you are also paying off debt year after
year too as it relates to you know when
[1:28:47] I like to manifest when the referendum
is approved by our residents um that
[1:28:52] number would slowly go down and our debt
capacity would continue to to increase.
[1:28:57] Um that isn't to say that we want to
utilize all that debt capacity.
[1:29:01] Obviously we are very much below um even
the halfway point of our debt capacity.
[1:29:07] We're actually less than 1% of our
maximum capacity. So, um I'm sorry, less
[1:29:14] than 10%.
So, all those being equal, you'll see
[1:29:20] kind of the different breakdown of that.
Are there any questions relative to
[1:29:25] that?
>> If somebody is at home watching this and
[1:29:30] can't really read that type, do you want
to give some examples?
[1:29:33] » Sure. No potential examples. So for the
$28 million issuance, I would say on
[1:29:39] average a typical household in Riverside
is valued at $500,000.
[1:29:45] And so you would look at an annual cost
increase of $720.32
[1:29:51] and what that looks like monthly is
$60.3
[1:29:55] per month.
>> Thank you.
[1:29:57] » You're welcome. Thank you.
And once again, that's subject to
[1:30:03] somewhat change. Another example is if
our EAV continues to increase, then that
[1:30:11] impact per household then gets
redistributed too. Similar with with
[1:30:15] property tax. Um, if we have new
developments,
[1:30:20] the spread of that property tax burden
gets redistributed.
[1:30:24] » And so that in impact could be slightly
different. I don't want to say it would
[1:30:28] be substantially different but uh just
to provide a little bit of context.
[1:30:35] » Very good. And
>> so we will uh we don't have to uh file
[1:30:41] the referendum question till late in the
year. Right.
[1:30:44] » Correct. So we we'll start the process
later this year and interally.
[1:30:50] » And from my understanding the referendum
question can be a little bit more direct
[1:30:54] than the last one. Oh yes, 100%.
>> I could basically just say, you know, do
[1:31:01] you approve of the village borrowing
this amount of money for a public safety
[1:31:05] facility more or less
>> and to equip the public safety
[1:31:09] » to equip Yeah. Yeah. So
>> So which election? The presidential
[1:31:13] election?
>> No, it would be
[1:31:15] » uh April of 2027.
>> Consolidated.
[1:31:19] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:31:20] » Yeah.
So, I know the trustees know this, but
[1:31:25] I'm and I've said this to you before,
but I'm going to say it again and again
[1:31:30] and again and again. Um,
this is the most important thing any of
[1:31:35] us will do as an elected official in
this village.
[1:31:39] Um,
our number one obligation is public
[1:31:44] safety
and to maintain that the the great level
[1:31:50] of public safety this village has always
had, our first responders need
[1:31:56] facilities that are appropriate and
support a top-notch
[1:32:03] police and fire public safety uh
department. So, uh, it is incumbent upon
[1:32:09] all of us to do everything we can to
educate the public about this.
[1:32:15] Um, and we'll be working on educational
information and strategies.
[1:32:22] Um, and that will come soon. Uh, but I
would say it's not too early to start
[1:32:28] talking to your neighbors, make people
aware of this.
[1:32:32] Um because I
strongly believe that if people
[1:32:37] understand the need for this, it will be
approved. Uh
[1:32:41] » I agree.
>> Riverside residents
[1:32:44] value our police and fire departments
uh and they know that uh they have to
[1:32:52] they have to support them financially.
[1:32:58] » With that, any other questions,
comments? M manager Francis, did you
[1:33:02] have some additional comments?
>> Um, so with regard to community
[1:33:06] engagement, Williams Architects also has
built in um some future community
[1:33:12] engagements. Um, one being creating an
open house to solicit feedback on the
[1:33:18] different design, see what additional
feedback residents have, bring that back
[1:33:23] to the village board. Um, and then they
would also do a second round of
[1:33:27] community engagement. Right now, we have
tentatively in our schedule July of
[1:33:32] 2026, but that could be subject to
change because obviously going from that
[1:33:37] second engagement period to April of the
following year for the election, I don't
[1:33:42] know that if we want that long of a time
span to occur with not that the board
[1:33:49] and staff wouldn't push out additional
education and answer questions and do
[1:33:53] open houses, but that may be something
that we would look to the board to have
[1:33:57] further discussion. and and work with
Williams to maybe change that timeline
[1:34:01] for that second engagement piece. Um,
additionally, um, there there would be
[1:34:07] subsequent presentations to the village
board. Once we have the community, the
[1:34:11] initial community engagement and the
openhouse, feedback from preservation,
[1:34:15] modifications to the design, then
Williams will be firming up their
[1:34:20] designs further to get closer to what
some what this building will look like.
[1:34:26] Um so in the past I also wanted to make
a note how we handled community
[1:34:32] engagement when we were having
referendums right we've always had the
[1:34:35] discussion that we can educate we cannot
advocate um as staff village resources
[1:34:41] cannot be put towards advocating a
resident calls us and asks questions we
[1:34:45] can ask answer those questions if a
resident calls and asks us how should I
[1:34:49] vote we can't answer that question um in
the past what we have done is we've
[1:34:55] created postcards and redirected uh
residents to a main landing page on the
[1:35:02] website. We've done engagement. Both
village board members and staff have
[1:35:07] been present present at different
community events, whether it's the
[1:35:11] farmers market or other events. We've
created videos from Riverside TV to to
[1:35:18] outline the different items and issues,
answer questions. Additionally, what um
[1:35:23] staff has put together and flagged as
additional opportunities, uh Director
[1:35:29] Buckley and I have already spoken about
doing public safety tours. Um
[1:35:34] Absolutely.
>> So, Director Buckley would it would be
[1:35:38] sign up because we we would want him to
be able to answer questions. So, it
[1:35:42] would be smaller groups, more uh tours,
but being able to have that engagement,
[1:35:49] answer those questions. Um we would also
um in speaking with other communities
[1:35:56] what they've done um when they have a
large referendum is presenting to other
[1:36:00] taxing bodies. So staff or the a board
member presenting just FAQs and
[1:36:09] information at a school district. So,
district 96 at one of their meetings or
[1:36:14] district 208 or even going to the
library at one of their meetings and
[1:36:19] presenting or township, right? Township
covers a little bit more than Riverside,
[1:36:24] but it offers that additional
opportunity for engagement. Um, and then
[1:36:31] finally, I think there have been some
questions of whether or not to hire a
[1:36:35] consultant for um, further engagement.
And um, I'm doing some additional
[1:36:41] research. Williams is going to provide
us um, some consultants that they've
[1:36:45] worked with in the past. Um and then we
would get some different proposals
[1:36:50] costing of those different services and
what the village would be receiving and
[1:36:55] then making that evaluation of whether
or not these services can be done
[1:37:00] in-house effectively or if we would need
some support from an outside party.
[1:37:05] » I have a question.
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to
[1:37:09] this, but I just want you to say it
again out loud. So as village trustees I
[1:37:15] know that you cannot say anything about
um not how to but like you can't give
[1:37:20] opinion
what are the rules regarding what we can
[1:37:24] say and how we can interact with this
referendum.
[1:37:28] » So you can certainly provide information
and you are a private citizen so you can
[1:37:33] also
say what your thoughts are relative to
[1:37:38] that. Staff cannot do that. Um and so I
I will make sure that attorney pickrol
[1:37:44] provides additional guidelines for the
board as we begin on this journey.
[1:37:50] » Okay, great.
>> And just put it another way, we as
[1:37:55] trustees on our own time
>> can advocate all we want
[1:37:59] » as private citizens, not as trustees.
Yep.
[1:38:01] » Right.
>> Because we're not spending village res
[1:38:04] the key is you can't spend village
resources to advocate.
[1:38:08] » Yep.
staff time or money for flyers that say
[1:38:13] vote no or vote yes.
>> Sure,
[1:38:15] » those kinds of things. So,
>> yeah,
[1:38:17] » I know it is a little outdated, but 12
years ago, wasn't there a video that was
[1:38:21] made of our facilities that were
crumbling and deteriorating?
[1:38:24] » We do have those as well.
>> Put that out for public education as
[1:38:27] well. I know it's a little outdated, but
it's
[1:38:30] » we would and we would create new videos.
So, in speaking to a couple of village
[1:38:34] managers that recently did referendums,
um they did much shorter videos um that
[1:38:40] were less than like the target was 30
seconds or less essentially um and
[1:38:46] sharing that information. And I think
also the engagement within the police
[1:38:51] department and the fire department and
providing those tours um because a lot
[1:38:56] of these areas are they're they're not
accessed by residents and so residents
[1:39:03] don't know what are behind these
different doors. And so I think that can
[1:39:07] be also very eye opening.
>> Okay. And I think we all know that Chief
[1:39:10] Buckley is not shy in front of a camera.
So, I think we can get him to do some
[1:39:16] great videos for us.
[1:39:22] » You're welcome.
>> Very good.
[1:39:24] » Anything else?
>> The final item um within the packet, it
[1:39:29] talks about the business district. So,
Ryan LLC
[1:39:34] um acquired Kain McKenna, who was the
previous firm that created the business
[1:39:39] districts, the three business districts
along Harlem Avenue. And so we did have
[1:39:43] the discussion previously about creating
a business district overlay over the new
[1:39:49] facility
um simply for the assessing the 1%
[1:39:55] business district tax and that money can
then be used to be reinvested within the
[1:40:00] facility or anything within the
boundaries of the facility or actually
[1:40:04] helping to pay off some of the debt that
is issued. Um, in speaking with them,
[1:40:09] they had recommended that the first step
would be to actually do an evaluation of
[1:40:15] the revenue that could be derived from a
space of that size um to make sure that
[1:40:22] it it makes sense to make the larger
investment. So, the cost of just doing
[1:40:27] that evaluation is 2500. And then if if
it did make sense then creating the
[1:40:34] business district plan and doing the
evaluation and conducting the process
[1:40:39] that would be 20,000.
So
[1:40:43] » but right now do you want direction from
the village to proceed with the $2,500
[1:40:48] to do the analysis?
>> Yes.
[1:40:51] » I know that's in your spending authority
but we should have direction from the
[1:40:54] board.
I was just wondering if you could
[1:40:57] provide residents with some examples of
sales tax generating opportunities and
[1:41:01] this is precisely going to do that. So
I'm all for it.
[1:41:05] » Yes, please.
>> So right now how the site plan is laid
[1:41:11] out there is the main space with the
kitchen. So presumably any so we could
[1:41:17] contract with individuals to then assess
the 1% business district tax on any
[1:41:23] catering services that are done out of
that room. And then there's the other
[1:41:27] smaller space that I'll refer to as the
cafe that was left open. um that then
[1:41:35] whatever
pro services are provided out of there
[1:41:39] or products rather um so smoothies,
coffee, whatever it may be then that 1%
[1:41:45] tax would be also assist there. Also, in
addition, the business district tax, it
[1:41:50] would not just be that, but you'd also
have the opportunity to, you know, any
[1:41:55] sales that are generated would be the 1%
regular sales tax and then the 1% uh
[1:42:03] non-home roll sales tax.
>> Yep.
[1:42:05] » So, non-home rule sales tax would go
directly to streets, the 1%, and I take
[1:42:10] that back. Also, places for eating tax,
which would be 1%.
[1:42:14] » Nice. Thank you. Anything
else?
[1:42:19] » No, I just need direction on the
>> Oh, yes. Please proceed.
[1:42:24] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:42:26] » Trustees, any other comments, questions
on referendum or public safety
[1:42:31] facilities.
>> Just want to thank staff for all the
[1:42:35] work
>> it's this is really big and very
[1:42:39] exciting, but it's done a lot of work
and heavy lifting and appreciate it.
[1:42:44] » Thank you.
>> Thank you. Awesome.
[1:42:47] » And thanks to previous boards too and
presidents who have championed this
[1:42:54] endeavor as well.
Uh so we do not have need for an
[1:42:59] executive session. I'd like to ask for a
motion and a second to adjurnn.
[1:43:04] » So moved.
>> Second.
[1:43:05] » All in favor say I. I. Any opposed?
I know you there tonight.