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Oh, can you hear me? There it goes. Now we're there. Okay, council.

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It's not very loud. Is it? Testing, testing, testing?

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No respect.

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This is a very disconcerting way to start a very appropriate official meeting.

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Okay, welcome everyone to the work session.

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I'll call this meeting to order and we will start immediately with accessory dwelling units.

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Council Member Smith and Council Member Perucci.

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Does one of you want to lead out on your issue and concern and why you want to have this discussed?

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And Jason, do you have a presentation regarding this one or not?

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I won't call it a presentation. I've put some data together and response to some of the questions, but my thought was

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This is as much for staff to listen, so I have that available as the conversation goes. So do you want to start with that?

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Yeah, that acceptable.

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Okay.

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The presentation.

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The feedback.

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Okay, sir, you're on.

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Oh, sorry. What's going to be?

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You want to level set it?

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You want to level set it?

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Level set it.

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Why?

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At least my rationale is.

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Absolutely.

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I'm not necessarily advocating for or against making changes to our ADU ordinance, but I think

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that it's helpful for us to at least consider should we modernize our ordinance or other things

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that we're incentivizing that we don't want to incentivize or other things that we do want to

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incentivize that we're not with the current ordinance. So for example, I know that there's been a

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a single family home, right, and there are circumstances where it may, it could potentially

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make sense to a lot more than one if parking is covered in dealt with.

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But I'm not, again, not necessarily saying that I'm pushing for that.

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I just wanted to see what is the norm and what should we be considering.

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And also, do we have the proper enforcement mechanisms in place for our existing 80-ordnance?

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because I get the sense that right now we are enforcing based upon complaint, like almost

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all of our other code issues, and is that necessarily the best?

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And if I wouldn't be comfortable tweaking our ordinance to allow for more options if we

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didn't add more of a robust enforcement mechanism.

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Well, I do have to command both of you for bringing the issue up, because you're exactly

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right and it's prompted the city staff and myself to spend some time discussing it to examine

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and explore what our curtain ordinance is. And so I think Mr. Lethbridge can share that

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information and then we can have an additional discussion. I've scheduled about 15 minutes

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for this portion. Yes, Councilmember Smith, please.

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If I can add to that, it was a resident originally brought this up and the thing that was concerning

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to me or maybe kind of inconsistent that I don't know if I have the answer to the question

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about is we can have roommates, say, you know, four adult males can live in an apartment

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because they're roommates, but there's not, like you're saying, that any really guard

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rills because, of course, a rugby team would be naturally how roommates but then the roommates

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creates a lot of parking problems, you know, with adult people, it's not necessarily the

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same as family. So that's something, as he brought up the concern or the desire to have a

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and he compared that to the roommate situation that made me think about, do we have any

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guardrails or is it just what it is?

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Yes.

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So, maybe I'll start with that question.

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Our accessory dwelling unit ordinance has some standards as far as construction and placement

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and then there's a requirement for obviously any building permits that are needed, but then

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we have an ADU permit, it's basically registration.

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Just make sure that they're generally compliant with our code and then we have a record.

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That really is focused on the space and this is where some of the confusion with the public

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and some, you know, what is considered an ADU and how many people.

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So our permitting process really is looking at saying, are they meeting the requirement for

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and part of what I mean by that is in a detached accessory structure.

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our code says you can't have a kitchen or what would constitute living space in a detached

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structure unless it is an ADU. So we allow those, the state has made them allowable by

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right, but the ADU permit permits the space itself. That's a little more sh-

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Great forward. Somebody gets an ADU permit. They are allowed to put living space into an accessory structure into their basement.

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The question of use becomes a little bit more complicated. One of the parts of that is, as Council Member Smith indicated,

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is how many people can rent a single space. If you have an ADU, if you have a basement rental that has three bedrooms, that could be rented to one family.

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But then the question of what about someone who says, well, I'd like to rent those bedrooms out to three individuals.

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We have interpreted, we being staff have interpreted our code thus far to say, you can have one accessory dwelling unit and one rental contract.

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So someone says, well, I've got a basement I'd like to rent out each bedroom to a different person.

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Where we are aware of that, we said, that's only allowed if it's one rental contract and they're just sharing it.

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because as far as tracking and defining an ADU,

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it becomes more complicated if they have three different contracts,

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they're essentially renting each room as a separate ADU.

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And that's not unique to Riverton.

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That's a question that a lot of cities are grappling with,

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but Riverton and a lot of other cities that said,

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no, each ADU is a single unit

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and can only be rented by one family.

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And then we get into the definition of a family,

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I'll talk about that in just a minute.

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but yeah that certainly one area that all cities and the state are grappling with is that

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question of renting the multiple people. How many can they be and is each treated as an

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individual rental unit and obviously cities like Provo and Logan have colleges have a little

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different structure. Jason remind me our current ordinance requires dedicated on site parking spaces

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for the ADU, correct?

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Yes, and what our code says is when they get that ADU permit,

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they have to, part of the information

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they have to provide and it's using an aerial photo

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that there is at least one dedicated off-street parking space

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available to that ADU.

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We can't, however, enforce that, whoever is living

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in that ADU, parks their first before they park on the street.

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And that is the same as we don't go and say,

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you're not parking in your garage,

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you have to park in your driveway or your garage first.

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So that becomes a little bit also complicated area of the law.

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But what we can do is say,

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your ADU permit part of that is demonstrating

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that you have one, and it can't be in the driveway.

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It has to be separate from parking that's available to that.

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Is that something like a pad or something like a pad or something like that?

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Yeah, and we are, when I say, you know, they just have to show where that is, and it has

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to meet, it has to be of a size to accommodate a car.

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A lot of times when we have complaints from neighbors, they say, but they're not parking in

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that up.

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As long as they're legally parked on the road, it's the same standard as what the residential

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home.

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Someone can park every car they own out on the street and their garage and driveway is open.

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But we do our ordinance requires and we require when we issue

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ADU permits for them to demonstrate that they have at least that.

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One of the questions that was asked is about other cities.

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And I won't say that this is exhaustive.

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We did our best to contact every city.

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We really struggled to find any that currently allow more than one

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the little dot dot dot at the end just meant there was some that even kind of were

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bounced off the bottom of the slide. City of Hurricanes or Hurricanes, whichever of

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the Hurricanes. They are the only city that I'm aware of that allows 280 use, meaning a second

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accessory dwelling unit. And that is if the lot is at least 0.8 of an acre. And we were having

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a conversation early about why that number, I don't know their rationale, but that's an interesting

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threshold because that cuts off half acre lots and even three quarters of an acre lot.

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So I'm sure there was some design behind it.

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There are several cities that just kind of informally have indicated they're looking at it

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much as we are.

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There's no city that other than hurricane that I'm aware of that has actually passed an

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an additional ADU. I put a call in and it was just this afternoon. I wasn't able to speak to anyone.

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Just to kind of see if that was how that was going for them, but given what's down there, I'll follow up with them.

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But yeah, every other city and certainly a lot of our sister cities have retained that one per lot.

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One, and sorry, there's a lot of stuff on the screen. This is the section of our code that requires, and it says registration process, that means they have to register their ADU. They have to get that ADU permit in order to legally rent that space.

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A little bit of the confusion comes from this question of family members living in an ADU, so that last line that is underlined.

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That is section of our code that says the registration isn't required if the ADU is occupied by family members of the property owner.

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What that means is your basement is finished with a kitchen.

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You're not required to pay that registration fee for it.

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But the way the code is written, it still is referring to that space as an ADU.

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I mean, it doesn't, and this question of multiple ADUs has come up, both with the current

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situation with the gentleman that's reached out to you, but also others, who say,

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no, no, no, I've got family living in the basement. I'm going to do a second space on the

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property. Our code the way it's currently written does not distinguish between who's using it,

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meaning whether it's family living in it or not. It is still considered accessory living space.

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They're just not required to register it that way.

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Now, I freely admit that there's some gray area there,

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meaning if you just have your mother-in-law living with you,

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is that the same thing as having it.

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So that does come back to looking at the space itself.

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It's one thing to have a mother-in-law suite

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where she has her own bathroom,

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but then if you've got your basement finished

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with full kitchen, washer, dryer, living room,

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the space itself we would define as an ADU.

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And this is all dependent on people coming to the city and getting a permit.

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Because what I assume be a lot of people that are not doing that.

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Yeah, for the most part, I'll say it that way.

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We have a lot of, and as with everything,

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our enforcement goal, and I work closely with Ryan and his that,

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is always education and compliance, not citations.

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And so more often than not, when we have situations where rentals come to our attention,

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the owner either acquired the house and the space was already there and they didn't know

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that there was or just didn't pay attention to our code, most of those are resolved when we

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say, look, there's a permit that's as long as the space is legal and we bring them into compliance

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fairly easily. And more and more frequently this is happening where banks and finance

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companies are reaching out to us saying, hey, we're about to loan money on this. We want

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to confirm that the accessory dwelling unit, which is listed as a means of income, is legal.

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So some of that is happening through those and they ask for a letter from the city. And usually

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as we reach out to those individuals and say, look, there's a pathway here. The difficulty

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there sometimes is if they finish the space without a building permit, then we try to work

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with them as best we can to address that. But that is also how more of these are coming

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to our attention. And also where we used to have to rely a lot on the complaint, the internet

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has, there are so many rental sites and so much information on those sites, it's become easier

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for us, you can just put in Riverton basement rentals and compare that list of things that

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we have permits for.

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So that enforcement has become a little more straight forward, but the question of family,

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we still consider that in most cases to be an ADU.

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And then to Council Member Smith's point about the number of people, Riverton City as with

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most cities currently defines a family as not more than four unrelated persons living together.

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Or, you know, sharing ties of blood, marriage, or adoption, draper city and draper, again,

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is the only one that I'm aware of that has done this as far as an adopted ordinance.

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Just earlier this year, changed their code to what you see on the screen to say,

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a family is one or more people living together, and that's as far as the definition goes.

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which would mean limitations on the number of people that could live together would be more based on health and safety codes as far as the space itself.

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Draper is the only one Salt Lake and Ogden have been considering something similar and possibly other cities that have been considering it a little more quietly.

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Draper is the only one that has actually done it.

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But for Riverton, our code still stipulates that a family unit either shares ties of blood

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or...

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And that is something that number and the limitations that that imposes on people's ability to have roommates and rentals.

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That is something that I would say most cities now are grappling with the same issues we are because it is becoming more of a

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people asking for and saying, hey, why can't I do this, and enforcement situations, and we

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have had them. We had one recently where we had six, they were all athletes. And in that

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situation, the landlord brought it into compliance, they found a rental group that met our

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standard and those athletes rented elsewhere. But that was one, we didn't go in and check

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First certificates we worked with the landlord and said, hey, we can, you know, we need

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to bring you into compliance and they voluntarily did so, but that is, and I didn't

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mean to talk as much as, because I know there's a lot of discussion to be had, but hopefully

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that helps with the conversation.

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So really, the purpose in this meeting is just to get the pulse of the council.

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Are you comfortable with the ordinances?

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is it now stands or would you like the city to move forward with potential changes?

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I have a question.

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Can you flip back to the draper?

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I don't know if I understood that.

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What does that mean?

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One or more persons live together as a single housekeeping unit.

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So does that mean?

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As long as two people are there and they're renting, they're considered a family?

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And also, ten people.

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They're people.

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Because right now for us, like that situation with the athletes,

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we said you can't have more than four people who are unrelated,

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living together and I didn't speak with them. There was some quotes from them in the press when this was,

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they said, you know, this is, I'm going to paraphrase, they said, this has worked out really well.

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I imagine part of that is that their enforcement load less and because you don't have to count heads and you don't have to look and say,

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you related, or you related.

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So yeah, this would mean whether it's two people or 12,

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a single family home could have all those individuals living

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in it.

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I guess, here's where I'm maybe in the minority on the health

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but I'm part of why I wanted to show this out there

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is I'm okay.

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I think our existing ADU ordinance is good.

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But I'm wondering if there are ways

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that we can tweak it to make it a little bit more customizable

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for some types of properties where there could be,

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because the biggest impact from ADUs is the spillover

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from parking and wear and turn the road

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and trips in an neighborhood.

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And I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to minimize that

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and I don't want to blow this open

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that we just create a massive amount of opportunities

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for that to happen.

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But are there, I wonder if, I'm open to exploring

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are there ways that we can customize our ordinance

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to allow for some properties where the impact to their neighbors would be minimal when there

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could be more dedicated parking spaces on-site as opposed to off-street to allow for more

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ideas to be placed there. We can certainly explore it, but I would like to make sure you're

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clear that even if we stated you had to have more off-street parking, we could not, we can't force it.

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So, when we approve zoning, the zoning concept is, this is what it's going to be for this entire area.

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We're essence, shaking away zoning when we approve an AVU. We're saying this is no longer a single-family home neighborhood. This can now be a duplex neighborhood.

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And what our hope is is that not everyone does it. But if you look historically, over time, that's exactly what happens.

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You can go to cities who have done stuff like this and eventually that neighborhood becomes a duplex neighborhood.

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So what you're doing is residents go in a hundred people go in and buy homes in a neighborhood with the expectation that these are single-family homes.

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The school does its number accounts based on those being single-family homes and places schools based on that, the traffic flow like you're saying.

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All those are based on those being single-family homes.

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When you begin to convert those homes into dueplexes,

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it's not just a parking issue.

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The schools are no longer spaced or sized to handle

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additional children load.

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The roads aren't sized to handle the additional road loads.

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And so you're basically taking and turning a residential area.

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And then what happens is the people who convert these,

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as Jason pointed out,

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And the invariably will try and sell them as dueplexes.

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And so now, the person buying it creates a problem.

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And we've had some where people buy them thinking it was a dueplex.

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I'm glad they're checking with us more now because the banks have been burned by this.

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And that's why banks are getting involved.

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They're saying, these aren't dueplexes.

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And so they think, of course, your house is a dueplexes worth more than a single-family

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and over time your residential subdivisions will become

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do-plex subdivisions because that's not what people expect.

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So I think our ordinance and we've put a couple of tweaks in there.

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Number one is we wanted the primary person had to live in the home.

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Because if anything's not a rental.

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Well, it's not a rental.

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No, no, no, the idea was if I'm going to take my basement or rent it to someone,

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if I'm living in the home.

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Yeah, it's not an investment property, it's your residence.

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Well, I'm going to make sure that my tenant's taking care.

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I'm going to make sure who's taking care of the yard.

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I'm going to make sure it's not a parking issue.

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I'm going to make sure they're not noisy and loud and things are under control.

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The minute you take the primary home or out and you just bring in rental,

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you now run a risk that they're not going to maintain the property,

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they're not going to maintain the neighborhood community feel.

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So it's really a question of are we going to alter our neighborhoods to create income opportunities for individuals?

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Because that's really what the argument is.

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I guess my point would be, we're not necessarily just altering neighborhoods to create income opportunities.

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We're making it so that more people could afford to live in our community.

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Because I mean, they're selling county board of realtors.

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They're their most recent data point for housing and Riverton.

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The median income needed to afford the median sell.

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need to do a for the median sales price in Riverton is now $211,000.

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$250,000.

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$250,000.

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$250,000.

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That's, but if that's your goal, do that by approving a Parma Buildings.

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Do that by approving?

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We've said we don't want to approve more apartment buildings.

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For me, it's, I agree with you, and I don't want to go a blanket policy, but I guess

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the question is, can we right, right, make some tweaks to it that allows for some strategic

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changes. But it's not going to fix the whole problem, but my argument is, then you're

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going to steal my right. See, if you've zoned a property apartment building, then

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everyone knows, and the residents all had the opportunity to comment on that apartment

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building being built. And to say, yes, we want apartments where we don't. If you now tell

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my neighbor, he can take his single family home. I thought I was going to live in a single

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family residential neighborhood.

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And you now allow my neighbors up and down the street

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to all convert that to town homes.

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I mean, to do plexus, which is basically what we're saying.

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It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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then you're, you've, now taken my right,

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where I thought I was buying our single family residential home.

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And I don't have a saying at it.

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My neighbor now gets to put two families in a single family home,

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which means I'm now going to have more traffic.

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Anyway.

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I think, I think you both made your points

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And they're opposing, which is great.

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Because essentially, Councilman Rukdogal is saying,

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I'm only reluctantly in favor of the current ordinance.

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Councilmember Peruti is saying,

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I am fine with the current ordinance.

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I feel like we came to a piece of,

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I feel like we found something that works for everyone.

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Okay, so now what I need to know is,

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I need other Councilmembers to weigh in.

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So when I look at, I see that affordability issue, and I see we have literally zero impact on that affordability issue.

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As we haul in more people, like I've got a friend who talks about building his business, right? And he says, you know, the, the, the bigger the barn, the more animals, the more due to deal with.

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And so, as we continue to, again, bring in additional, more people, more people, more people into these areas that were originally designed, you know, in a different direction.

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We're changing the whole field, the whole setup, the whole design of the thing.

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So, I understand it can help people to qualify, I mean, yeah, sometimes help just qualify for the loan and so forth.

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But, again, that affordability side, that's outside Riverton's purview.

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We don't have any impact on that and so I would say I'm fine with the way the ADU system stands

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to be in support of current owners who bought

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single family homes

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Yeah, mine won't be as clear as

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I do I do agree with Spencer that this any anything we do to tackle affordability issues in our city

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going to be moved because the whole state needs to do it and we still are importing people.

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I do think, however, though, that's why we have this position where we're talking about these

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reasons we're talking about taking properties and building, you know, R6, R8, whatever we want to

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discuss on that point, where that's where I agree with Councilman Prucci, where maybe it is a

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spot check, maybe it is being allowed to have that resident come to Council and debate the merit

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of that exact location, so then his neighbors can come and talk about that property as well.

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Because if there's a way where residents, these people can talk about what they're trying to do and have their neighbors, which is what

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Council member McDougle was afraid of if you have these areas being changed.

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But if it's these spot checks where it's okay, this specific person is doing this for this specific reason if they go out, it's out of code we can't do it.

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So I think there's kind of a middle ground there where yes, we're not just blank it changing the code.

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where now everyone can have three or four or five A to use on their property, but here's

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opportunities for people to build an A to you for their child who can't afford. Or for

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the young person down the road who just got married, who can't afford it 2000. Well,

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three thousand. Don't forget, you can already build an A to you. We're discussing having

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two. Yeah. And I'm not saying that I want to open it up to every single size lot. I'm

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saying, what it makes sense for us to say, if you have an acre or larger lot, could you possibly

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do two if they're certain parking parameters they're met. That's all I'm saying is I don't

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want to do a blanket policy change of every residence can have to. 80 use it's

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are there ways that we could potentially change our ordinance to allow for a couple more

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for some circumstances. If they make sense, right? If it's a half acre lot with an 80

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you there's no parking already there. That is just a bit. If it's in a circle that doesn't

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make sense but are there dynamics in our city where it could make sense on a large enough

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that the impact would be made. Could be minimal.

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I will tell you my sense from talking to residents is the large and a lot, the less interest

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they have in adding additional dwellings on the lot.

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Councilmember Smith.

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I love the conversation. I think it's good to knock it out and figure out even if we come back to the original.

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At least we don't have to edit it and consider things.

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It's interesting to count number of fruit trees and Johnson's point.

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If we, you know, the point eight is American has point eight and they allow that.

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But I agree with Mayor Broker, the bigger the lot, the less they want people around.

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So I think that's a good point.

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I think I recognize the need for people to have affordability.

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I recognize the need to maybe explore the options.

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My bigger concern, honestly, is the roommate option because I just don't like

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than in my neighborhood. I'm thinking about one house in particular. I'm sure they don't have

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parking spaces for those four gentlemen that live in that house. And so why have they been

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parking along that one house street for years, you know, and that's kind of my bigger thing,

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but I think I'm comfortable with seeing how this is. Thank you. So, it looks like we have three

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as is. Okay, we will move on. Mayor, if I could just-

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Good discussion. Very quickly. We'll also continue to monitor both what other cities

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are doing and grow. There are some things happening as they're always are at the state level

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and even already some indications that they're looking at the number of so we'll keep that

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in our radar as well. Great. I am going to move to high density zoning 3c,

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prerogative of chair because it really ties into what we've simply been working looking at and I think

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that's a higher priority. So let's move to high density zoning options and I think the best place to

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Start with this one is with...

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Mr. Lathbridge. Oh, I was going to say the best. I actually don't have even as much as I did in the previous one. I had spoken to Councilmember Hammond ahead of time. Really, this is one. I think we should hear from them.

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What I have on the screen, these are current multi-family zones that are on the books and available as you're familiar.

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We have a couple of distinguished men that's on our distinctions between what's available in the downtown and elsewhere at the density stays the same.

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Then with our zoning map, the whole, let's see, right side of the screen.

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Western Springs Monarch Meadows, Canyon View, the land reserve, suburban land reserve area.

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We have some areas where higher densities are allowed within those projects that are different than what is necessarily available as far as standard zoning.

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Most of those are, when I say old just projects that have been around for a while, the land reserve project area is one that will see some different densities of our current multi-family zoning.

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The only place, the RM-18, which is apartment-level density, the only place that zoning exists

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is actually within some of our, what we call, specific plans, the Western Springs area,

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the Monarch Meadows, right against the Mountain View corridor, let me get my zoom there.

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It's that light blue color that you can see just, again, along there.

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So there were existing, and actually I think both of those projects are getting close to 20

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years old. So of the multi-family zoning that we have now the R18 is one that there's there

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is not anything zoned that outside of those specific project areas. But those are the multi-family

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or higher-density zoning that we have on the books. I do apologize because Kelsa and I were

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hey, man, you're the one that really brought this to our attention. So would you like to discuss it?

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Yes, so my reasoning to bring this forward is because as a city were for the most part built out,

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right we've got very few large pieces of ground that need to be finished developing and so we've

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got these little tiny pocket pieces that come together and most those pocket pieces are surrounded

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by half acre, quarter acre, larger lots right but then you've got another two or three acres sitting

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here and somebody wants to come in and they want to put in a considerable amount of homes that

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that just doesn't fit with the area.

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And so to me, it looks strange, it doesn't fit.

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It causes issues with the whole lay of the land,

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the feel of the community that's already built there.

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And again, we'll talk about affordability,

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but even a $500,000 town home is not affordable.

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And so they can talk about, yeah, we're trying to,

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I always tell them, if you can sell it 200,000,

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then that's affordable.

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We can get you alone. It's a reasonable payment and so forth. But until you can get down to that $200,000 number,

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don't even discuss affordability. And at that point, we might as well build in consistency with the neighborhoods.

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So my goal was to stop the ongoing, I want to send the message that, you know, if you want to come in and do infill,

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the max we're willing to do is our six. We'd prefer match the quarter acres that are there,

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match the half acres that are there. I know those bringing in big ticket numbers right now.

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Large prices, a quarter acre home right now is kind of starting out in the late, you know,

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late 800s, early 900s, and pushing into a million really quickly. But there's still a lot of

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people buying those things. I don't know what they do for work, and I should probably figure that out

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and change. But that's the idea is try to match what we've got existing rather than fill in our little

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pockets of land with these little cluster homes.

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So, all the way in on this, I agree.

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Part of our goal, I think, and it's just

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because of where we're at as a city,

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is to communicate to developers what we're willing to do

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and what we're not.

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And so, one of the problems we have is,

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a developer goes into a landowner.

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If the landowner thinks, if we limit the zoning that can happen

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on it, the landowner will bring their price

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of that land in compliance with the existing zoning.

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But if they think they can take a couple acres and turn them into town homes, then the landowner gets in their mind.

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I want X amount of dollars and the developer has no choice but to go high density to, you know, make the numbers work.

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And so we actually help clean up some of our remnant properties by kind of saying, no, this is what you can do with the land and so if a landowner is selling helps that expectation.

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And the other thing is, and in Calth America.

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Our parouchy can speak to this, as well as I think both of us can, is we live in blended neighbourhoods.

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And what I mean by that is neighbourhoods that will flow from, and I don't know specific

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all that council member approachy speakers, neighbour, but from 5,000 square lots, all the way up to half acre lots within

429
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:23,860
our communities. That's what I'm living in. When done on size and scale, I think that works well.

430
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:32,960
Because again, it's blended and my experience has been a smaller home is just as well maintained and blended and offers multi-generational moving

431
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,460
but just dropping in and suddenly

432
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,540
boom high density into an existing neighborhood

433
00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:49,740
It's not the same as a blended community it creates disjoin it and and so I'm I support. I think we should take those out and

434
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:54,980
The only real area we've been fighting has been on Redwood Road, and consistency with an R6,

435
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,200
I think can help, I mean, let's be honest, it's a little hodgepodge as it is.

436
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:06,340
Anything we can do to try and get consistency and look, I think is going to help save us.

437
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,820
I think it will help developers, and I think it will help landowners to all come together.

438
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,600
To just have for us to just finally say, you know, this is what you can do.

439
00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:20,550
Yeah, and I have some thoughts too. And I think it was two council meetings ago.

440
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:25,290
Councilman McDougall said, I like to explain my reasoning when I say I'm going to do something.

441
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:32,550
So I'd love to explain my rational here on this one where I would hate for us to limit our legislative ability as a body,

442
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:35,510
because of things that we've been annoyed with in the past.

443
00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:39,690
So I understand these ones on Redwood Road. We're having a lot of discussion about what looks best.

444
00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:45,110
But if we limit this to ourselves, we don't know what the future is going to look like in 50 years, right?

445
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:50,910
And I can't think of a hypothetical of, you know, an R-18 is going to go exactly here in the city, this makes sense.

446
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:57,270
But I hate to limit our ability to have those discussions and to vote no if we disagree with it.

447
00:41:57,470 --> 00:42:01,590
And I also think if we did do this blanket, okay, we're not doing this certain types of zoning.

448
00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:07,410
In my mind, one of that mean we couldn't have done that reason in Council Member's Smith District,

449
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:10,530
118th, where it's connected to South Georgia City,

450
00:42:10,610 --> 00:42:11,810
wouldn't that be over the code?

451
00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:15,630
If we were able to get, if we got rid of this density,

452
00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:18,610
then those wouldn't have met this new rule.

453
00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:23,150
Which we all agreed unanimously on, if I'm remembering correctly, right?

454
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:26,290
So I see, yeah, we're annoyed with pieces here and there,

455
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:29,110
but there's other areas of the city where it makes sense.

456
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:31,910
And again, I understand that our city is built out to a point where

457
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:34,530
there's really not a lot of these areas we're talking about,

458
00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:38,410
But there could be opportunities where it doesn't make sense like on one 18th.

459
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:41,170
I forget the name of that property that we rebuilt.

460
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:42,390
Sickenmore Glenn.

461
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:46,970
So I would hate to limit our ability as a legislative body to have that discussion.

462
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:50,310
And just have a blanket sorry we're not doing this anymore because change the code.

463
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:58,050
And I would like to point out that we have essentially limited it because when you look at where we have that density zoning,

464
00:42:58,730 --> 00:43:00,210
they're all unique situations.

465
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:04,690
So it's a body, this council has opposed those.

466
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:05,730
Councilmember?

467
00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:19,990
Yeah, I, that fits really, I was going to say is I, we have very clearly said no to most of this high level density in our city because it doesn't make sense in a majority of our city.

468
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:26,290
We have said yes when it is on a major arterial road closer to the highways, right?

469
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:29,590
like, that's not just us, but our previous councils.

470
00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:31,890
And so I agree as council member Johnson,

471
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:36,410
I don't want to retire hands behind our back on this process.

472
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:39,250
And I have no problem saying no.

473
00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:40,750
In fact, I plan to say no tonight.

474
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:47,890
And so I, but I also think that if we're going to go this direction,

475
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:50,290
it should not be as a standalone decision,

476
00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:52,330
but part of the general plan updates.

477
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:55,510
And we should be doing it in coordination with reviewing

478
00:43:55,510 --> 00:44:01,330
other things because I completely agree with Councilmember McDougall. I hate this hodgepodge.

479
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:07,530
When you can do this at scale, I mean, I'm the product of that. I bought my first house

480
00:44:07,530 --> 00:44:13,290
in Riverton in a cluster home in Monarch Meadows. And then I bought my second house within

481
00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:18,130
the same church congregation, but it's a much larger house on a larger lot. So part of that

482
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:23,650
blended growth within our city. And there was those developments were built at a scale that

483
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:27,430
could allow for that and it was one cohesive community as opposed to multiple communities

484
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:29,610
built at random times.

485
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:35,230
That being said, I think we've talked about this before, are there other things that

486
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:39,450
we're doing that are forcing development to be hodgepodge?

487
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:43,770
Like should we really, I think we need to look at our road standards.

488
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:48,890
Should we change our road standards because I don't want to see more developments being built

489
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:53,290
where they're small HOA's, and I would like to see them

490
00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:54,370
even if they're going to be,

491
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:57,310
because I think it does make sense for higher density

492
00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:59,110
to be facing redwood road.

493
00:44:59,590 --> 00:44:59,970
Cause that just,

494
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,560
This is going to be a better prop, long term. That's the kind of building that's going to be able to sell and be maintained effectively on redwood road as opposed to people that have to back out on a major thoroughfare.

495
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:18,720
Like it's just not, that's not my opinion, long term realistic for the value of what we're going to see.

496
00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:23,900
We're going to continue to see property values decline and the property upkeep decline, based on that.

497
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:36,100
So I'm just saying I'd like for us to look at overall what we're doing as a city and I'd really like to look at this for viewing what other things we're incentivizing to create the existing structure rather than taking things off the table right now.

498
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:48,440
Thank you, Councillor Smith, but before you speak, I just want to make clear too. We're looking at the general plan and the general plan will come to us in the next couple of weeks at our next council meeting.

499
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,360
However, you have to remember that people that come and ask for

500
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,800
resones, et cetera, they don't have to wait for us to create a general plan.

501
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:02,960
And even if the general plan states one thing, they still have to come and have the resones.

502
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,460
So, it's complicated, and if it looks like it's complicated, it doesn't look like it makes much sense.

503
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,160
I agree.

504
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,180
And Matt Mayer, can I just really look at that?

505
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,480
Because I agree with what Councilmember Al, I'm sorry, Johnson and St.

506
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:23,940
Really the process for government to communicate that is the master plan like Councilmember Prucci St.

507
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:27,540
And the last time we did this, we were the two on the Council

508
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:31,040
and the reason we're having all the problems in this sector

509
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,320
is this was the one sector where we did not get specific.

510
00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:39,260
Every other sector in our city, where we sat and looked at the ground

511
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:46,020
and said, this is by a town home community, we will allow this density here. This is by

512
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:51,240
this, we will only allow our six here. Every other place in the city where we did do that,

513
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:58,000
we haven't had a problem. It's in the one area where we wanted to leave it general. And so

514
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,320
what that leaves for residents is unsettledness. They don't know what's going to come, and that's

515
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,920
why it's, it's centered in one district, is that council member? Didn't want to deal with the

516
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,000
discussion five years ago. And that's something we've got to consider. The more

517
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,400
specific we are with this master plan, problems go away. We've talked about this

518
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,900
before the Redwood Road plan. But however, in that case you have to remember you

519
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:27,320
not had just been widened. We really didn't have a good sense of what was going to

520
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,780
happen along Redwood Road. Was it going to stay residential? Was it going to stay

521
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:37,160
commercial? So it seemed reasonable to kick the can down the road at that time.

522
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:47,320
Councilmember Smith. I'm all for kicking cans down the road several times. I think that what we're what I'm gathering from the discussion is we probably when we look forward and a few weeks at a master plan

523
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:52,040
Get a clear message along river road. That sounds like a lot of

524
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,220
I agree with that conclusion. I mean, I love RM6. I understand we're

525
00:47:56,220 --> 00:48:05,960
Councilmember Pritche and Johnson are coming from, but I love RM6. I feel like the sweet spot. I feel like this this

526
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,420
the idea of the blended neighborhoods. We live in a neighborhood that's R3 and R4, but you really

527
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:14,260
wouldn't know it until you looked at a map. And I honestly didn't know that to us on the council

528
00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:20,320
that my neighbor was an R4 and I was an R3, it could not told you that. So I think what I'm hearing

529
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:26,540
in conclusion is, good discussion, probably more of it to follow when we talk about the general plan

530
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:31,000
and we spend more time in a work meeting. Yeah, sounds like perhaps the general plans, the better

531
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:37,060
solution to it to send that clear message, but and then we as council try to stick to that general plan

532
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,840
as much as humanly possible so that we don't send a confusing message out of the public.

533
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:47,460
I agree. I was just, can I just were waiting? That's the only part of what I'm thinking about is

534
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:54,400
the cold property. I don't know what's going to happen there long term. Yes. I'm not good

535
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,980
confident that that's going to be a commercial property long term, but I'm also not confident that it

536
00:48:58,980 --> 00:49:12,260
make sense for it to be hortic or lots long term. And so that's where I'm like, I'm a little hesitant to fully take this off the table because I see places where there's probably going to need to be redevelopment that it could make sense.

537
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:14,840
It's a good comment.

538
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:16,280
Yeah, I agree with that.

539
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,520
Okay, Council, it is down.

540
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:20,980
What is it?

541
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:22,360
Six, four, six, fifteen.

542
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:28,960
If you're comfortable with deferring cargo containers or Jason, do you want to tell us?

543
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,380
Take five, ten minutes, what do you think?

544
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:33,340
I think,

545
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:39,120
given the issue and the nature of things we need to discuss probably better to defer.

546
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:39,640
Defer?

547
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,800
Okay, very good.

548
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,640
Let's move on to the City Council meeting agenda.

549
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:51,660
Council Member Perushi has reached out to me and asked that consent agenda item 13C be discussed separately.

550
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:55,020
So when we get to that portion of the meeting, we will talk about that.

551
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:59,200
And other than that, I will look for a motion to adjourn.

552
00:49:59,360 --> 00:49:59,700
So moved.

553
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:06,420
Okay, thank you.

554
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:43,470
Good evening,

555
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,980
everyone. We have a full house tonight and it's certainly my pleasure as the mayor of

556
00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:05,600
and city to Spuroker to welcome you all here.

557
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,160
It looks like we may be a little short of chairs,

558
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:10,440
but we do have our Riverton Youth Council here,

559
00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:12,400
and I suspect they're not gonna stay

560
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,680
for the whole meeting, so that may free up some chairs.

561
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:17,840
Okay, let's go ahead and get started.

562
00:52:18,340 --> 00:52:21,080
I will let you know you need to have a comment card

563
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,660
in order to make public comment.

564
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,860
And I need to know what you wanna comment on

565
00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:31,060
because there's gonna be several hearings

566
00:52:31,060 --> 00:52:37,960
and then general comments. So, if H Kennedy could come up and just let me know where she wants

567
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,960
to be placed, I'd appreciate it. If it's for one of the reasons, or if it's general comment,

568
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,380
that would be most helpful. H Kennedy.

569
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:51,960
No one?

570
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:58,260
Okay, that makes it easy.

571
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:06,540
All right, let's move forward and if we could have our prayer to start our meeting and I'm sorry

572
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:11,180
I'm sure I'm not going to do a great job with your last name.

573
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,380
I recognize that every vowel should be pronounced.

574
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:21,460
So, Lenore, Fooa, to T-Miu, something close to that?

575
00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:22,580
Are you here?

576
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:25,780
Thank you.

577
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Come up and correct me, please.

578
00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:39,730
I do your Heavenly Father.

579
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:45,490
We're so grateful for the opportunity we have together together as a community.

580
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:51,550
and as a city council we're grateful Father for all those who are in

581
00:53:51,550 --> 00:53:58,370
presence today we're grateful for this great city we're grateful for all the

582
00:53:58,370 --> 00:54:03,410
opportunities and freedom that we not only enjoy within this community but

583
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:09,890
over this great nation Father we asked a blessing upon each and every one of us who are

584
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:17,310
here today. Bless the city council and members of the community that we may be able to discuss

585
00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:26,250
and find ways to work together as the community. Father, we pray for a peace, unity, and for

586
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:33,350
a reminder for all of us to work together. We ask for the spirit to be with us. We love these so very

587
00:54:33,350 --> 00:54:39,490
much. It is our humble prayer in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Can you please?

588
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:41,850
How do you say your name?

589
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:42,830
Foyoteimo.

590
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:43,950
You call it Tima.

591
00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:44,710
Okay.

592
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:45,290
Thank you.

593
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:46,890
Welcome for being here.

594
00:54:48,190 --> 00:54:48,430
Okay.

595
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:50,050
Play to the legis.

596
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Our fire chief, Marshall Watkins.

597
00:55:02,830 --> 00:55:12,950
I pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation,

598
00:55:13,330 --> 00:55:18,290
under the law, in this book with liberty and justice for all.

599
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:36,640
Thank you. We'll first have a couple of presentations, and we will start if I can find it with a presentation for two tennis players that reside here in Riverton.

600
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:43,440
And I will read the recognition, but before I do, I want to let all of you know that they

601
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:53,880
will each get a medallion that has been printed, permitted by Riverton City, and it's unique

602
00:55:53,880 --> 00:56:00,060
for this year, meaning at the end of 2026, it will not be available anymore, and it's

603
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:05,400
in honor of the semi-quincentennial, which is this year, which we've been celebrating, and

604
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,300
This cast in copper, because copper, of course, has been very significant to the city of

605
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,580
Riverton, with Kenaka copper mine and with our dome.

606
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:19,240
So that's what they'll be awarded now I'd like to share with you the recognition.

607
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:28,830
On May 9th, 2026, Riverton's middle school boys tennis team committed, competed in the U.S.

608
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:34,790
youth tennis state championship, bringing together top youth tennis players and teams from

609
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:43,630
cross Utah. Two Riverton players achieved an exceptional and unprecedented result. Seth Anderson,

610
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:49,790
competing as Riverton's number one singles player, won the singles one state championship,

611
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:55,890
while his teammate, Nico Ray, competing as Riverton's number two singles player won the singles

612
00:56:55,890 --> 00:57:02,210
to state championship. Winning a state championship in either division is a significant

613
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:07,710
individual accomplishment. Seth and Nico had to advance through a competitive statewide

614
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:13,070
field and defeat other top players to earn their respective titles. For two

615
00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:16,710
players from the same team to win both of the tournament's top single

616
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:22,250
divisions is particularly remarkable. Their performance represents the best

617
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:26,480
Riverton has ever achieved at the US Youth 10th State Championship and

618
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,620
and to our knowledge and unprecedented accomplishment for a team from Salt Lake County.

619
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,600
Seth and Nico represented Riverton with Skill, Determination, and Sportsmanship

620
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,780
throughout the season and at the State Tournament. Their championships are a testament

621
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:49,000
to the work they put in to developing as tennis players and to their ability to perform at their

622
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:56,680
against strong competition. We are proud to recognize Seth Anderson, the 2026 singles

623
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:03,120
one state champion, and Nico Ray, the 2026 singles two state champion, and congratulate

624
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,180
them on an outstanding achievement for themselves, their team, and their liberty

625
00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:11,220
community. If they would both please come up, we would like to recognize them.

626
00:59:01,620 --> 00:59:07,020
There we go. We'll get a little more balanced. Get an even on the court. All right, here we go.

627
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,840
There we go. One, two, three.

628
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:13,180
Excellent.

629
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:44,540
Thank you both for representing Riverton. So, Ed Merley.

630
00:59:46,420 --> 00:59:52,200
Okay. We will now move on to the Youth Council Executive Board, Oath of Office.

631
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,860
and we'll have the Youth Council come forward.

632
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,500
I don't want to say anything before.

633
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:01,540
Make a presentation.

634
01:00:04,330 --> 01:00:05,750
Okay, if you'll all please come forward.

635
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:34,260
So, each year we have a new youth council. The youth council are very important to rivers and city. They assist with lots of the events, particularly our Halloween event. And they help on town days. And they volunteer for many, many projects besides which we try to educate and help them understand government process a little bit better. Pam?

636
01:01:38,660 --> 01:01:41,140
And we have to move that the other thing is very good.

637
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:41,560
Biser,

638
01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:50,550
stand up, they think it's important tonight.

639
01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:54,510
We have close to 25 kids that are also on the board.

640
01:01:55,070 --> 01:01:58,130
And they have fewer thousands of dollars in service.

641
01:01:58,370 --> 01:02:00,990
They pull that through to see provide that for us.

642
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:02,510
So you think you,

643
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:20,830
if you will break your right hand,

644
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:22,030
you're going to get out of your feet.

645
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:30,470
You're following, where you're all going to start.

646
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:32,450
But I have a historical name that

647
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:39,640
has the constitution of the United States,

648
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:48,840
and then I'll just start to do this.

649
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,600
I might not let the light all this with the light.

650
01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:08,920
I'll picture a message that you might all turn,

651
01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:10,900
but can be sent to this kind of thing.

652
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:12,880
If you look at it, I have a question.

653
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,340
Yes. Come on up. Come on up.

654
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:17,920
We usually typically let you sit in our chairs.

655
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,780
So our youth council mayor, if you come sit right here,

656
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:23,400
And everybody follows suit

657
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:07,130
and

658
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,580
I can't fail to acknowledge Beth and Pam, they put in numerous

659
01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:42,320
numerous hours in the evening with the youth council and so we really appreciate their volunteer

660
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,020
efforts.

661
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:44,960
So thank you.

662
01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:52,620
Okay, our last one, 12C waste management, donate and use council, waste management could

663
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:56,200
not make it tonight, but it is typical for them to donate.

664
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:59,900
Think it's 2,500 every year and that.

665
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,320
That goes to scholarships for the youth council. So we very much appreciate waste management and that donation.

666
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:15,220
We will now move to the consent to die in items and we will ask if anyone has an item they would like pulled from the consent agenda.

667
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:21,200
Council member Purish.

668
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:32,300
Yes, I would like to pull item 13C from the consent agenda and then otherwise make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

669
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:35,300
I'm absent 13C.

670
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,240
Is there a second?

671
01:05:39,860 --> 01:05:40,500
Count, thank you.

672
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:41,460
Councilmember Hayman.

673
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:45,720
Call the paper.

674
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:46,660
Aye.

675
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:47,800
Any opposed?

676
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:49,080
Great.

677
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:50,060
Okay.

678
01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:54,100
Now let's approve the consent agenda or did we just do that?

679
01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:55,080
Very good.

680
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:55,660
Go ahead.

681
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:56,960
Councilmember Prucci.

682
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,400
Now we'll go to resolution number 26.

683
01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:00,940
Right.

684
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:02,400
Yes.

685
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,520
So do you want to discuss it?

686
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:21,400
I would, yeah, I would love, maybe Jason or Carrie or somebody could from city staff could just explain what it is and to him behind it and I'm sure I can take that and I'm sorry I don't have a graphic to put on the screen, but it has to do with the Mountain View corridor.

687
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:32,480
We have in the western Springs development a western hills drive that used to cross the space that's now occupied by the corridor and was closed off when the front of roads were built.

688
01:06:32,480 --> 01:07:01,760
At that time, we entered into an agreement with you to close those roads cooperatively so that it was clear that that was being done as part of the project with the Mountain View Court of the Freeway portion of the Court or being built and the traffic modeling and impact to some of the roadways that are occurring Western Hills Drive will be opened up to provide some additional access points for that neighborhood because we closed it based on an agreement with you.

689
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:10,780
You thought has asked us and we have reviewed that and consented to update that agreement basically to reflect the fact that that roadway is is now being open

690
01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:15,260
That is the just of that cooperative agreement so that

691
01:07:15,260 --> 01:07:19,440
Western Hills drive will open not on to the freeway itself just onto the front of droid

692
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:22,800
the southbound front of droid as a right in right out

693
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:31,620
And from my discussion with Councilmember Pruchi. He really just wanted this called out. It's a very significant change in our city

694
01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:37,140
And it's a very unique traffic pattern that you will see throughout Salt Lake County.

695
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,580
And it really does change significantly for residents that live up in that area.

696
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,460
And so I agree with him as important that we just identify it clearly for everyone.

697
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,680
Can I just clarify to you Jason, this is a U. Project, not a Riverton City Project.

698
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:56,260
Why do we have to have this agreement in place with U.D. if it's not our project?

699
01:07:56,260 --> 01:08:03,120
My understanding is, if we hadn't, when we did the closure, the choice was made between

700
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:08,900
the city and you dot to have an agreement reflecting the closure of the road, I think

701
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:14,600
you dot especially wanted it to be clear that that roadway opening was happening in consultation

702
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,520
with the city and so updating that agreement.

703
01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:20,120
And I should point out as well.

704
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:32,700
It is a U.R. project, but the city, with Councilmember Prucci support, organized an open house and did noticing in that neighborhood area. We tried to reach out to as many of the affected parties as possible.

705
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:48,960
We did hold that meeting again, Councilmember Prucci participated, helped them understand A, that it was a U.R. project that that decision was through you up, but also the city was supporting the neighborhood and looking at all the ways that we can help mitigate the impacts there.

706
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:55,220
Yeah, the agreement really this agreement is based on the fact that an agreement was made back when that road was originally closed.

707
01:08:55,580 --> 01:08:56,220
Thank you.

708
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:05,340
Mayor, if I could just real quick to say that um, colleagues, this is, this neighborhood, it's a, it's a huge impact to their daily lives.

709
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:17,880
This neighborhood is really unique in that all of the residents children go to

710
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,980
This project is going to preclude their ability to turn left on to 126 South.

711
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:27,020
I understand that because of traffic patterns and that's becoming increasingly dangerous.

712
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:34,840
But I want to acknowledge that these changes, it may benefit the greater good.

713
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:39,320
But there is going to be a serious harm to a neighborhood that I represent.

714
01:09:39,460 --> 01:09:44,400
And I've had a lot of conversations with them and trying to find ways that we can try to help minimize those changes.

715
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:59,960
and I appreciate Jason City staff, everybody that's worked hard to help communicate with the residents here their feedback and there's not a lot we can do because we're impacted by other government bodies, by the state, by our neighbors, that have been...

716
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:13,380
I'm not excited about it, I understand the need for it. This vote will not change, whether this project happens or not, but yeah, it was just wanted to die like that.

717
01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:18,500
Thank you very much. So now we need to have a motion to either approve or deny.

718
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:22,820
I want to make that motion.

719
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:42,140
I'll make a motion that we pass resolution number 26-42 approving the amendment number 2 to the cooperative agreement between River Dan City and the Utah Department of Transportation regarding the access to Western Hills Drive from the Mountain View corridor.

720
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:43,120
That's

721
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,100
the

722
01:10:54,260 --> 01:10:55,500
second council member, McDougall?

723
01:10:55,980 --> 01:10:56,280
Yes.

724
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,240
Peruptie?

725
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:57,940
No.

726
01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:58,800
Smith?

727
01:10:59,520 --> 01:10:59,720
Yes.

728
01:11:00,140 --> 01:11:00,460
Hey, man.

729
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:01,080
Yes.

730
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:01,540
Yes.

731
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:04,120
Thank you.

732
01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:05,040
The motion carries.

733
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,240
We'll now move on to our public hearings.

734
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:11,960
As you can all see, there are a large number of people here.

735
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,380
And I know that you've come to express your opinion on one of the items that are

736
01:11:17,380 --> 01:11:18,300
before us.

737
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:29,520
I want to remind you that our order code essentially states that for public comments, we allow 15 minutes for particular topic.

738
01:11:29,980 --> 01:11:41,420
You're allowed three minutes for your topic. If you have a group that can represent your residents, your neighborhood, that will certainly expedite the proceedings.

739
01:11:41,420 --> 01:11:50,100
So, I will open it up for the Timberline Development Agreement, and we will start with Mr. Kennedy.

740
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,300
Oh, boy, I'm getting way ahead of myself tonight.

741
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:57,540
Thank you. This is why I have a mayor, Protem.

742
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,480
Yes, Jason, you're first.

743
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:01,840
Thank you, Mayor.

744
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:10,720
This is a approval of a development agreement, and I'll just very briefly explain the difference.

745
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,100
development agreement is a little more broad than just a

746
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,560
rezone or a subdivision.

747
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,560
It's an agreement specific to a particular piece of property that

748
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,260
includes zoning and then some of what we would normally call

749
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:28,100
preliminary layout of the subdivision or development itself as

750
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:32,360
well as some of the conditions in terms that would normally be

751
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:33,540
part of the standard zoning.

752
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:38,480
It allows for additional or modified conditions and

753
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,300
standards within that property area.

754
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:42,820
And I'll explain what that looks like in just a moment.

755
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,900
So this property is on the west side of Redwood Road.

756
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,480
It's circled in yellow.

757
01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:49,860
I'm sorry, I didn't read there.

758
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:50,960
Let me get my pointer.

759
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:55,080
There we go.

760
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,140
So this is a 134 south on this image,

761
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,800
and Redwood Road, a little bit of lag in my pointer.

762
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,320
I'm sorry, the property is circled in yellow.

763
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:06,060
The current zoning of the property

764
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:08,220
and it is that area highlighted in the middle

765
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:10,600
is C in which is commercial neighborhood.

766
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:23,860
that zoning was put in place some time ago in response to a specific application for what at the time was a proposed large animal veterinary clinic that didn't end up materializing but the zoning was approved.

767
01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:35,240
The other property within the project area, the yellow color and all of that surrounding yellow is RR22 which is a single family designation with half acre minimum lot size.

768
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:52,700
The proposed zoning of the property is RM8, but there are some modifiers to that in what the applicant has proposed that I'll explain in just a moment, but the underlying zoning would be RM8, which is multi-family with eight unit per acre maximum density.

769
01:13:52,700 --> 01:14:00,320
The general plan for the property is a mix of a state density residential, which is depending

770
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:05,760
on which monitor you're going to have that green color, the brown or orange is medium density

771
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,040
residential, which is 10,000 square feet or quarter acre lots.

772
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:15,260
So the property in the general plan currently is split just about a little to the side

773
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:19,600
of halfway between designating for quarter acre lots and half acre lots.

774
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:25,900
So, again, this is the property in question, and at this point we've had several hearings

775
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:32,580
on this, I'll go over specifically what has changed as we cover through that.

776
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:37,280
But there are two, in addition to the frontage on redwood road, there are two roadways that

777
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:42,000
stub into the property, one to the north, here that you can see that comes directly into

778
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:48,520
the property, and then 13550, which comes from the west into the property, it currently terminates

779
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:53,540
in a temporary cul-de-sac and that roadway hits about midpoint

780
01:14:53,540 --> 01:14:57,380
between the project area property and the property to the south.

781
01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:59,960
So that dashed line on the map is not just...

782
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,400
The project boundaries. That's the property line between what's in the project and not. So the roadway from the south hits about half way into this project and the next. I'm going to go through a couple of iterations of this kind of starting with the beginning of the project. They initially proposed connecting the 1775 West coming in on the north of the property with a public right of way to redwood road.

783
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:36,920
and then leaving space for future connection to 13550 to the south.

784
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,920
As we discussed this with the Planning Commission

785
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,800
and then City Council, there were concerns expressed

786
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,720
at the city level about the traffic and other impacts

787
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,280
to those roadways to the surrounding neighborhood

788
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,160
with connections to Redwood Road

789
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:54,360
and how that would be managed.

790
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:59,160
So the applicant based on those conversations proposed,

791
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:07,330
Sorry, I'm not sure what happened there.

792
01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:16,670
Okay, we'll propose the different iteration

793
01:16:16,670 --> 01:16:22,590
of the subdivision, that will be extremely inconvenient.

794
01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:28,110
It popped out at some point.

795
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:30,910
We'll give that a moment to the charged back up

796
01:16:30,910 --> 01:16:32,670
and I very much apologize.

797
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:35,350
Proposed from different iterations of that

798
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:39,890
that no longer connected to the surrounding subroads,

799
01:16:40,570 --> 01:16:45,890
That was passed through the planning commission with that condition that those roadways

800
01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:47,070
not connect.

801
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:54,430
Following that, you dot became part of the conversation.

802
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:57,370
It's gone and it has to just charge for a minute.

803
01:16:58,230 --> 01:17:03,170
You dot became part of the conversation reviewed what the city had approved and said that

804
01:17:03,170 --> 01:17:06,610
you dot because Redwood Road is a state road.

805
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:20,710
Only you could make that decision of access to Redwood Road and they dictated to the city that in order for them to grant access to Redwood Road, the project would need to connect to the surrounding roadways.

806
01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:29,890
I'm sorry this will make a little bit more sense once the laptop comes back on, but we had some lengthy and comprehensive discussions with you.

807
01:17:29,890 --> 01:17:35,370
got as far as that decision, all the way up to

808
01:17:38,150 --> 01:17:40,370
all the way up to the Region 2 District

809
01:17:40,370 --> 01:17:45,870
Manager and understood that, yes, U.B. was making that requirement and did have the

810
01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:48,730
authority to do so.

811
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:53,350
So, I'm so sorry, let's see.

812
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:58,430
Well, you're looking at that permit and I will too let the audience know that we did have

813
01:17:58,430 --> 01:18:05,770
you come to an earlier meeting and they indicated very clearly it was their decision that it must

814
01:18:05,770 --> 01:18:11,150
access onto Redwood Road. So, and they do get to make that decision.

815
01:18:11,470 --> 01:18:18,590
Okay, we're back, my apologies. So this was the version that planning commission reviewed that showed

816
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:25,390
only a public connection to Redwood Road with private streets and then public connection to Redwood

817
01:18:25,390 --> 01:18:28,590
and a turnaround to the north side.

818
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:33,530
Subsequently, based on U.S. decision and mandate

819
01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:35,510
that the public roads needed to connect,

820
01:18:36,130 --> 01:18:38,410
the applicant's proposed what is the current iteration,

821
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:41,070
which is a public right-of-way connection to Redwood.

822
01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:43,530
That's that piece in the south that for now

823
01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:47,230
will only be built to the access point there,

824
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:51,270
and then a dedicated future public right-of-way

825
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:55,050
for connection to 1.3550 at whatever point in the future

826
01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:57,810
the property to the south further developed.

827
01:18:58,030 --> 01:19:04,270
So for now, that public roadway would only extend as far as that drive access into the project

828
01:19:04,270 --> 01:19:04,650
area.

829
01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:06,870
The rest would be left to future development.

830
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:13,010
The internal roadways would remain private and there would be a gate on the north end of

831
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:15,830
1775 west or the north end of the project.

832
01:19:16,090 --> 01:19:18,510
Sorry, that would be emergency vehicles only.

833
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:24,030
So that gate would only be opened if needed by emergency services.

834
01:19:24,030 --> 01:19:29,850
police, fire, et cetera, and would not be accessible for residents within the community or

835
01:19:29,850 --> 01:19:30,130
out.

836
01:19:30,650 --> 01:19:35,450
So essentially, that would be closed, but would provide a second point of access for emergency

837
01:19:35,450 --> 01:19:36,770
services if necessary.

838
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:44,270
So when this was presented in draft form to the Council for discussion, there was some feedback

839
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:47,390
as far as open space and additional parking.

840
01:19:47,530 --> 01:19:52,370
This was the version that was previously reviewed in work session by the Council.

841
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:59,770
So, this is now the updated version the council had requested that the developer look at additional.

842
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:21,160
Open space within the project area and parking. So that has been provided in this space here. Some of that would be and was previously shown as stormwater retention, as with a lot of our city parks and other open space that can be accommodated both as open space and stormwater and you can see the parking has been provided as well.

843
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:26,640
There is a roadway cross section that you can see here, along the bottom.

844
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:33,680
It is a 28 foot right of way, the 10 feet on either side is P-E, that's utility easement

845
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,580
not sidewalk.

846
01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:39,860
So within the proposed plan, there would be sidewalk on the public right of way, and then

847
01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:44,820
the sidewalk would come in along the open space and just on this portion of the project

848
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:45,080
area.

849
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:50,680
So within the balance, there would not be sidewalk, but there would be that sidewalk area

850
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,660
running out to the public right of way there.

851
01:20:55,560 --> 01:21:00,760
And this is just the engineered version if you will of that same drawing that you just saw.

852
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:09,120
The development agreement includes not just the zoning and the lot configurations, but standards

853
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:16,060
for setbacks, so this is the typical setback section that is proposed for this, 15 feet to the front

854
01:21:16,060 --> 01:21:20,760
of the house, 20 feet to the garage, five feet on the sides,

855
01:21:21,220 --> 01:21:22,960
on a street side, this would be a corner,

856
01:21:23,340 --> 01:21:26,600
there's 10 feet and the rear setback is eight feet.

857
01:21:26,740 --> 01:21:29,060
So that would be measured property line to foundation.

858
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:31,700
So one of the bigger changes,

859
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:36,240
and this is just a comparison chart to other zoning.

860
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,820
The R4 is one of our standard single family lot zones.

861
01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:44,720
So these, the setbacks of 15 and 25,

862
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,160
eight and 10 on the side, 25 feet in the rear,

863
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:49,040
are standard for our single family.

864
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:53,740
With our multi-family zones, the RM6 is a detached product,

865
01:21:54,460 --> 01:21:56,080
where we do individual lots.

866
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,360
We do have, in our current zoning, that 15 and 20,

867
01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:04,140
the five-foot setback on the sides and 15 feet to the rear.

868
01:22:04,460 --> 01:22:06,620
What the development agreement is proposing

869
01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:11,300
And I apologize, also minimum lot sizes, 10,000 is a quarter acre.

870
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,880
So our RM6 standard is 5,000, which is an eighth of an acre.

871
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:21,900
The development agreement, as it's proposed, has the minimum lot size

872
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:23,780
as 2,900 square feet.

873
01:22:24,220 --> 01:22:28,520
And then the primary change in setback is that eight foot rear setback.

874
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:35,540
I just want to, because that is different than our standard setbacks,

875
01:22:35,540 --> 01:22:41,480
especially in the rear, I just want to point out the areas of impact would be primarily along

876
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:48,540
the west property line, where because that is a rear setback we would have eight feet potential

877
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:54,920
between the property line and any home on that property and then along the north property line,

878
01:22:55,140 --> 01:23:00,740
I'm sorry the text doesn't show well there, but those are side setbacks so you would have five feet

879
01:23:00,740 --> 01:23:03,800
between property line and foundation of the home there.

880
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,200
The remainder of these with roadways or future roadways

881
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,260
are less impacted.

882
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:13,560
Have had some questions both from the public and from council

883
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:18,200
as far as kind of visually those lots.

884
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,680
We don't have our current minimum lot size in the city

885
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,080
would be 5,000 square feet.

886
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,180
So we don't have good examples in the city

887
01:23:26,180 --> 01:23:28,760
of what a 3,000 square foot lot is.

888
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:36,540
These are from South Jordan, and they're a little larger, they're about 3,200, but this is the same row of houses.

889
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:42,540
Here, these are all about 3,000, 3,200 square feet. This is just an angled view of that.

890
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:49,120
I could not find an example that wasn't rear-loaded, meaning on these units, the grages in the back,

891
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:57,780
and there's the alleyway that pulls in the proposal from the applicant from fields on these are all front-loaded.

892
01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:00,840
So grages in the front and access directly off.

893
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,340
So this isn't a perfect representation,

894
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,200
but just to give a sense of massing and space.

895
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,460
These were the images.

896
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,740
This went out in a recent email to the Council,

897
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,260
again, in response to a question.

898
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:15,540
Just some examples within the city of the difference.

899
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,860
The RM8 is, this is just north of us here,

900
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:23,780
predominantly attached product, duplex, triplex, types

901
01:24:23,780 --> 01:24:31,200
units. The RM6 is the more detached single family. These are about five to six thousand square

902
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:37,100
foot lots, and that example there. The planning commission forwarded this to the council

903
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:41,580
with a recommendation to adopt, and I just need to point out some things. The planning

904
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:47,640
commission's recommendation was to rezone the property to RM6. So the recommendation was for

905
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:53,620
the density of the property and the lot sizes setbacks and road widths compliant with the RM6 zone.

906
01:24:53,620 --> 01:24:59,860
At the time the planning commission forwarded this to you, you dot had not made their their.

907
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:21,800
Decision or mandate that those roadways open up. So the planning commission included the condition that those roadways be closed. That is no longer possible. So if the council moves forward with the planning commission's recommended motion. Number three would need to be removed. Number four has to do with perimeter fencing. Again, it references the turnaround space that would have been present.

908
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:30,780
But, generally, the fencing was required along the Kennedy property, which is the homes that

909
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:38,520
are the home that is not part of the project area to be solid masonry and along red road.

910
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:44,100
And then, condition number five also would no longer apply because that had to do with access

911
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:45,120
on to redwood road.

912
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:52,660
For the convenience of the council, based on the presentation or the proposal that the applicant has made,

913
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:59,000
this motion, as an alternative, would adopt what has been proposed by the applicant.

914
01:25:59,260 --> 01:26:05,760
I do want to point out, while the zoning would be RM8 based on feedback from the council,

915
01:26:05,860 --> 01:26:11,840
the proposal from the applicant, the motion also would limit to a maximum of 31 lots,

916
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,940
which is the count that is proposed.

917
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,500
We do write that as a maximum because they may not

918
01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:21,500
in final engineering and design achieve that.

919
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:24,140
This doesn't guarantee that level of unit,

920
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,020
but it does allow them up to that.

921
01:26:27,340 --> 01:26:29,840
And that doesn't include parcel as the open space

922
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,500
that's shown.

923
01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:33,220
Several of these are just standard.

924
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,420
It is still subject to final site plan review

925
01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:38,420
that would be through the planning commission

926
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,100
as part of a public hearing.

927
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:42,060
that wouldn't revisit the density.

928
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,540
That just goes through the technical elements of the site,

929
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,700
but there would be an additional public hearing.

930
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,660
Number three is the emergency services gate.

931
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:56,120
Number four just indicates that portion of the roadway,

932
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,780
which is that part of 13550 that would be dedicated,

933
01:27:00,140 --> 01:27:02,260
but for future construction,

934
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,220
just clarifies that that be constructed and dedicated.

935
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:08,800
I'm sorry.

936
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:13,540
Number four is the portion that provides access from Redwood Road that that would be constructed

937
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:15,960
and dedicated before any building permits were issued.

938
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:21,840
Number five is the future public street that would be dedicated but not constructed perimeter

939
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:22,720
fencing.

940
01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:29,160
Compliant with city code specifying the North Kennedy property will be solid masonry.

941
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,940
And then number seven, and I apologize this is an addition to what was presented to you in

942
01:27:33,940 --> 01:27:42,480
staff report. The draft of the development agreement was brought to the city later in the

943
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:47,620
week last week and has not been fully reviewed as far as compliance to whatever motion

944
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:51,880
would be made tonight. So condition number seven stipulates that the development agreement

945
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:58,040
not be executed, meaning put into effect and sign until final review for compliance with

946
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:04,820
approval by the city attorney, meaning any additional changes or things in that development

947
01:28:04,820 --> 01:28:09,520
agreement as proposed that need to be changed to be compliant with whatever decision

948
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:14,400
the council makes tonight the development agreement would not be executed and the approval

949
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:20,360
would not be binding until it was reviewed for compliance by the city staff but also

950
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,260
our city attorney.

951
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,480
Thank you very much, Mr. Cliffbridge.

952
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,860
Council is your well aware you typically we wait till the end and have council questions and comments

953
01:28:30,860 --> 01:28:37,740
but it appears council member Prucci has a clarifying are you okay you said the

954
01:28:37,740 --> 01:28:45,220
PUE is in the in the gutter so it's front lot PUE as opposed to back lot PUE correct with

955
01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:51,160
and and there may still be and some of this would be worked out at subjects and there may still be additional

956
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:58,320
PUE spaces around the lots themselves with the rear set back at only eight feet that doesn't leave a lot of space

957
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:03,600
I would imagine any utilities run in here would would almost have to be through that front area

958
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:10,700
But yeah, you can see on that cross section that zoom in that PUE would start at gutter. Cool. Thanks.

959
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:14,220
Thank you. We should hear from the developer, Mr. Smith.

960
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,380
Hello. It's good to be back with you

961
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:25,980
So a couple of things.

962
01:29:25,980 --> 01:29:33,060
So one in the motion that Jason talked about with the Masonry wall along the Kennedy property,

963
01:29:34,780 --> 01:29:38,960
we actually had not included that, and that was back when we had a road there, and there

964
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,020
was concern about someone sliding off the road or coming in property, and now that that

965
01:29:43,020 --> 01:29:43,560
road is gone.

966
01:29:44,860 --> 01:29:50,100
So that was the surprise to me, and I guess you guys tell us if that gets us a project, we'll

967
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:50,540
do it.

968
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:59,820
So we did drop two lots and grew that open space out of the parking and actually I think it works really well.

969
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,060
Good advice, so thank you. As you look at these lot depths on the west side of the site is the most

970
01:30:08,060 --> 01:30:15,200
constraint. And that's in order to line up that fire access with 1775 West. When we do a lot

971
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:22,580
typical, we do give a minimum rear setback, but I would say at least two-thirds of these are more or

972
01:30:22,580 --> 01:30:27,140
deeper lots than that, and there will be, in some cases, significantly more room, right?

973
01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:32,300
So we're just trying to set a minimum standard and also as you look at what was shown like with

974
01:30:32,300 --> 01:30:37,800
daybreak and those alley load we did intentionally set these back 20 feet with that front

975
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:42,920
set back again for parking you know they always say the grudges for storage and people are

976
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:50,420
parking on their driveways or elsewhere. So trying to maximize parking in here and and you

977
01:30:50,420 --> 01:30:57,000
know build the most attainable product that we can. I'd love to answer questions or address

978
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,440
anything, so what can I do for you?

979
01:31:02,020 --> 01:31:02,320
I think.

980
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,060
Go ahead, Council Member Pritchee.

981
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,000
Do we just get an hour, do you want to do it after that?

982
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:08,980
I was going to suggest we wait.

983
01:31:09,180 --> 01:31:10,140
We do the public comments.

984
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:11,120
Yeah, we do that.

985
01:31:11,140 --> 01:31:12,120
And then if we have questions.

986
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,040
I like that better, actually.

987
01:31:13,620 --> 01:31:13,800
Okay.

988
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,260
Have you come back up?

989
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:16,120
Okay.

990
01:31:16,340 --> 01:31:17,920
We'll open the public portion.

991
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,180
Public comment portion of this public hearing.

992
01:31:20,340 --> 01:31:21,580
And we'll start with Mr. Kennedy.

993
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:28,680
Please.

994
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,040
And following Mr. Kennedy, we'll have Ellen Ford.

995
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:33,180
So if you could be ready.

996
01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:37,820
we can move it along. Stand right there, yes sir.

997
01:31:40,900 --> 01:31:43,600
You don't have a laser pointer, do you?

998
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:54,440
I do not. No. Okay, that's my two lots right there. My property line has been there for 30

999
01:31:54,440 --> 01:32:02,900
something years. I'm not sure how long I've lived there. But on the other side, going as far

1000
01:32:02,900 --> 01:32:09,220
out there's a brick, a brick wall, and they're saying that these proper lines have got

1001
01:32:09,220 --> 01:32:14,180
a shift, six feet or something, do you remember that, Jared?

1002
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:19,640
Just to address the council please. That's what you're speaking to, they're going to make

1003
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:25,760
the decision. Okay. Do you know if the property lines go on?

1004
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:30,100
I'm writing a note down. We'll address it. Continue with your remarks.

1005
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:34,600
Okay. Well, I just want to know if my property line is going to change.

1006
01:32:34,860 --> 01:32:36,160
Okay. Very good.

1007
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:44,480
Another thing is, when that road was going to be right by my house there, they were going

1008
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:50,660
to put a block of lock wall. Now they've moved the road to the north or to the south side

1009
01:32:50,660 --> 01:32:59,100
of my property next to my horse pasture. The fencing along there, if that's going to be

1010
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:10,780
I don't know what my horse is going to do to white vinyl or kids throwing things over at my horse or feeding at things that shouldn't be.

1011
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:22,700
And then I have a bunch of trees right there along my past year on the south end there.

1012
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:28,800
If that property line changes, I'm just wondering about them trees if they're going to get chopped down.

1013
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:31,480
And

1014
01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:42,380
yeah, that's about it.

1015
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:43,260
Thank you.

1016
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,240
Good questions.

1017
01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:46,620
I'll expect a council member will address them.

1018
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:47,060
Okay.

1019
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:48,200
Thank you, sir.

1020
01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:49,280
Okay.

1021
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,720
Ellen Ford and fallen in Ellen.

1022
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:54,060
Welcome Bob Ford.

1023
01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:56,620
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

1024
01:33:57,100 --> 01:34:01,900
I would ask you to reject the approval of the proposed development

1025
01:34:01,900 --> 01:34:06,620
and to not amend the General Plan to medium high-density residential.

1026
01:34:06,620 --> 01:34:19,980
This plan is not best for the people who live here, tight roads and token sidewalks do not fit the surrounding areas and do not make a good neighborhood for the people that would move here.

1027
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:25,420
The requested RM8 zone is a medium density residential zone I looked it up.

1028
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:30,080
It says promoting, promoting varied housing near the downtown area.

1029
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,660
This property is not near the downtown area.

1030
01:34:32,660 --> 01:34:40,740
Allowing the medium high-density residential is not the President's precedence we want for other parcels in this area.

1031
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:51,400
In February, the Planning Commission recommended a change to RM zoning, which the developer has totally ignored in this new concept.

1032
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:57,860
The developer referred to daybreak. We do not want Riverton to look like daybreak.

1033
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:59,960
Please consider the residents.

1034
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:13,300
This concerns who live in this area and not the desires of developers who don't live here and don't even respond to the planning commissions recommendations and both know for this proposal as it is presented.

1035
01:35:13,860 --> 01:35:14,160
Thank you.

1036
01:35:14,420 --> 01:35:15,340
Thank you.

1037
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,200
No, no.

1038
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:19,860
Okay.

1039
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,460
We are not going to have clapping and cheering. This is a meeting.

1040
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:31,320
All right. So you get the opportunity to express your opinion, and you can express as strongly as you like,

1041
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,480
but we're not going to have cheering in the audience.

1042
01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:35,660
Mr. Ford, following your comments,

1043
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,700
we will hear from Robert Clayton.

1044
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:42,780
OK, Mayor and Council on Bob Ford.

1045
01:35:43,580 --> 01:35:45,520
One of the leaders in the Riverton Heritage Group,

1046
01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:46,840
which most of you are aware of.

1047
01:35:46,940 --> 01:35:51,200
You've received letters as well as from TU,

1048
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,460
as well as the plan of zoning outlined in our opposition

1049
01:35:54,460 --> 01:35:55,900
to this proposed plan.

1050
01:35:55,960 --> 01:36:00,340
We've done two before since December when this project came up.

1051
01:36:00,340 --> 01:36:05,340
we trust that you have reviewed those comments because they're applicable to this meeting and we

1052
01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:09,760
hope that that weighs in on your decision as we discuss this development.

1053
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:16,900
We didn't the ripped and heritage group continues to oppose this development

1054
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:30,320
and we continue to oppose the state's legislature's pressure that they put on our

1055
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:31,780
We reject that.

1056
01:36:33,940 --> 01:36:40,740
We also have been aware and grateful for town days, Riverton Town

1057
01:36:40,740 --> 01:36:46,060
Days. And you guys all did a great job and were grateful for all that. But the reason that

1058
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:52,780
this part of Riverton still looks like somewhat of a town is because the citizens in the

1059
01:36:52,780 --> 01:36:57,460
Riverton Heritage Group and surrounding neighborhoods, we have all been anxiously engaged

1060
01:36:57,460 --> 01:37:13,000
in the master plan for 25, 30 years to help maintain this part of Riverton to have somewhat of a heritage that is consistent with more of a rural type of a look.

1061
01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:23,260
If we continue like the other quadrants, we'll be having Metro days instead of town days, and we want to keep our Riverton town days,

1062
01:37:23,260 --> 01:37:26,960
And our part of the city that helps maintain that.

1063
01:37:27,620 --> 01:37:32,300
Now, the other thing I just mentioned is that besides being

1064
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:35,780
involved in this, we've had,

1065
01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:41,580
oh, what, Jason did a great job

1066
01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:44,380
in reducing this and brought up the fact that this is

1067
01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:46,200
Zollin for neighborhood commercial.

1068
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,020
The reason it was approved, in part, is because the

1069
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:53,600
Riverton Heritage Group supported that, because we believe

1070
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:58,920
the large animal clinic would be very beneficial to the type of community that we have in this

1071
01:37:58,920 --> 01:37:59,920
quadrant of the city.

1072
01:38:00,420 --> 01:38:01,840
So that's why we proposed it.

1073
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:07,400
If the developer came forward with something compliant with that zoning, we would not

1074
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:08,360
likely be here today.

1075
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:17,220
So in short, we think that this is truly trying to shoe hornion a non-consistent proposal

1076
01:38:17,220 --> 01:38:23,420
into a quadrant in Riverton that is trying to maintain some Riverton heritage.

1077
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:28,620
So we oppose it, and I'm speaking in behalf of not just me, but the leaders of every

1078
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:34,340
neighborhood and every citizen in that area that supports this R-22 zoning.

1079
01:38:34,980 --> 01:38:37,700
This should not fly.

1080
01:38:38,060 --> 01:38:38,620
Thank you.

1081
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:39,540
Thank you.

1082
01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:49,040
if you clap I will close public comments. It's a meeting. Okay, Mr. Clayton.

1083
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:54,680
Following Mr. Clayton, we will hear from Simon Rubenheimer.

1084
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:55,980
I hope we said that correctly.

1085
01:38:56,380 --> 01:38:56,860
Robin Heimer.

1086
01:38:57,060 --> 01:38:59,000
Robin Heimer. Thank you.

1087
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:03,040
Mayor and council members, thank you for allowing me to speak and thank you for being here tonight.

1088
01:39:04,420 --> 01:39:12,080
First of all, we support appropriate development of the property at 1, 3, 5, 1, 8 south.

1089
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:18,280
However, our concern is whether the requested density fits the surrounding neighborhood

1090
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,240
and the infrastructure that it will serve.

1091
01:39:20,900 --> 01:39:26,580
And with all the respect to Mr. Smith and to the Council, this is not daybreak,

1092
01:39:26,580 --> 01:39:33,300
and we do not want to date break in the report and we are not asking the city to take away

1093
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:41,580
someone's existing development rights. We are asking the city council not to grant new

1094
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:46,400
development intensity that is incompatible with the surrounding neighborhood infrastructure.

1095
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:54,500
The staff report identifies the surrounding zoning as RR-22. The existing general plan

1096
01:39:54,500 --> 01:39:59,960
calls for medium density and a state density residential. With minimum lot of sizes.

1097
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:09,160
Members of 1-4 and 1-2 acre. This application asks you to change the general plan and approve RM-8 with

1098
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:17,060
lots, as small as 2,900 square feet. Your planning commission, the River Ten City Planning Commission, unanimously

1099
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:23,020
recommended RM-6 instead, which the developer has continued to ignore.

1100
01:40:26,460 --> 01:40:32,640
Commissioner Clef said that

1101
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:36,480
The densities should make sense for the area of the city that it is in.

1102
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:42,580
She also said quarter-acre lots would be much more appropriate because such high contrast

1103
01:40:42,580 --> 01:40:45,320
in density would disjoint the community.

1104
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:51,540
The access changes, the access changes raises another fundamental question.

1105
01:40:51,740 --> 01:41:02,620
If you would out is determined that Redwood Road access could not be approved and could not

1106
01:41:02,620 --> 01:41:07,420
the founding residential network, a suitable alternative for increased traffic.

1107
01:41:09,580 --> 01:41:14,000
These streets serve families, children, and school bus activity.

1108
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:19,980
The city's staff reports states that both 1775 and 13550s

1109
01:41:19,980 --> 01:41:24,440
do not currently have the infrastructure, which raises concerns about

1110
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:27,740
pedestrian access and parking on those adjacent roadways.

1111
01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:35,280
Whereas the traffic analysis demonstrating that the affected streets can safely accommodate

1112
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:42,360
additional traffic, we recognize that 17550 is proposed as emergency only access, and

1113
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:46,360
that future 13550 connection is distinct from the new roadway to redwood.

1114
01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:50,660
Those distinctions must remain clear and enforceable.

1115
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:56,500
The question is whether this proposal justifies changing the city's plan, increasing

1116
01:41:56,500 --> 01:42:00,700
of density and placing additional infrastructure demands on the existing neighborhood.

1117
01:42:01,220 --> 01:42:03,120
Please do not approve our Amate tonight.

1118
01:42:03,460 --> 01:42:10,100
Continue the application until the revised access impacts are publicly evaluated, and the

1119
01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:15,320
agreement is corrected at minimum, retained the planning commissions unanimous RM6.

1120
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:20,460
We are asking river intensity to grow thoughtfully and not cave to the demands of the developer.

1121
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:22,000
Thank you very much.

1122
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:22,660
Sure.

1123
01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:25,620
Is that right? Sorry.

1124
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,080
I didn't want to say your last name.

1125
01:42:28,420 --> 01:42:29,860
Scared me the first time.

1126
01:42:31,780 --> 01:42:32,940
Simon Robenheimer.

1127
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:34,240
I live.

1128
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:36,740
And while we're Simon, sorry, I'll just

1129
01:42:36,740 --> 01:42:37,800
We'll hear from Kelsey.

1130
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:39,980
Okay, please, Simon.

1131
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:42,740
I live on 1775 West.

1132
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:46,400
Just literally next to the property

1133
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,120
the development that has been proposed

1134
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:55,500
during the course of the planning commission, the whole process. One of the arguments from

1135
01:42:55,500 --> 01:43:00,760
some of the commissioners and the developers was that housing supply short and that we need

1136
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:06,100
more affordable housing. During the commission planning commission process, the developers said

1137
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:13,160
that the houses were expected to sell for at least $500,000. Probably a little bit more than that.

1138
01:43:13,980 --> 01:43:18,520
That was a state of expectation at the time, not a guaranteed future price.

1139
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,500
The price alone does not tell us whether at home is affordable to a particular household.

1140
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:28,640
Smaller homes and additional supply may provide meaningful options, but those potential

1141
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,860
benefits are different from an enforceable commitment to affordable housing.

1142
01:43:33,740 --> 01:43:37,600
If affordability is part of the reason for changing this general plan and approving

1143
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,780
our amate, what provision of the agreement to secure that benefit.

1144
01:43:41,780 --> 01:43:47,240
does it require income-restricted homes, a defined affordability period, or any other measurable

1145
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:52,200
affordability commitment? If there is no such requirement, please describe the proposal

1146
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:58,400
as market rate housing and evaluate its benefits and impact on that basis, and just be

1147
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:04,220
open and transparent about it. The developer also explained that theory units would increase

1148
01:44:04,220 --> 01:44:10,180
the land and infrastructure costs allocated to each home. Project feasibility is relevant

1149
01:44:10,180 --> 01:44:16,100
but it is one consideration amongst several. We asked the Council to consider compatibility

1150
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:20,820
with neighboring properties. I think that's probably going to be a theme from everybody that stands

1151
01:44:20,820 --> 01:44:27,420
up here. Street capacity, pedestrian safely and long-term effects of the request to develop and

1152
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:33,480
standard. Surrounding zoning is identified once again as RR22, the plan commissioning recommended

1153
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:40,040
RR25 instead of RR25, which apparently the developers haven't understood. Please explain what

1154
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:45,600
specific public benefit justifies going beyond that recommendation and how many

1155
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:51,480
proposed, how any promised benefit will be reflected in that proposal or that approval.

1156
01:44:51,780 --> 01:44:54,540
We support expanding housing opportunities through development.

1157
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,200
I mean, I would be saying, people can't develop their land, right?

1158
01:44:58,540 --> 01:44:59,960
That's one of the things that we love.

1159
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,640
We will talk about this great country. However, we ask that you think clearly, use evidence-based

1160
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:15,140
explanations and be transparent and share with us what the argument is for approving. If it

1161
01:45:15,140 --> 01:45:19,060
was to be approved, we will ask you not to approve it this evening. Thank you.

1162
01:45:19,060 --> 01:45:27,270
Thank you very much. Kelsey. Following Kelsey, we will hear from Christopher Dodson.

1163
01:45:31,650 --> 01:45:32,770
Mayor and council members,

1164
01:45:32,770 --> 01:45:37,210
My name is Kelsey Dobson and I live on 13550 South.

1165
01:45:37,570 --> 01:45:43,270
My concern is how the revised access plan will affect traffic and pedestrian safety in the existing

1166
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:43,790
neighborhood.

1167
01:45:45,070 --> 01:45:49,090
During the planning commission process, fields don't estimate it approximately 300 vehicle

1168
01:45:49,090 --> 01:45:53,530
trips per day for the project and send most would enter an exit from Redwood Road.

1169
01:45:53,930 --> 01:45:59,030
If UDOT has determined that Redwood Road cannot safely or economically accommodate direct access

1170
01:45:59,030 --> 01:46:02,570
to this development, why does that make 1775 West?

1171
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:05,710
Hamilton Lane and 13550 South.

1172
01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:11,550
Mind you, roads with no sidewalks, children, school bus stops, and existing rural residential

1173
01:46:11,550 --> 01:46:13,250
properties a suitable alternative.

1174
01:46:14,250 --> 01:46:18,250
But the circulation proposal has changed so the earlier description does not answer the question

1175
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:19,310
residents face now.

1176
01:46:19,810 --> 01:46:23,550
How much traffic will reach our streets, both when the development opens, and in the future

1177
01:46:23,550 --> 01:46:24,750
connection is completed.

1178
01:46:25,570 --> 01:46:33,190
The City staff report acknowledges that 135-50 south and 1775 west-slat curb gutter and sidewalks,

1179
01:46:33,330 --> 01:46:38,710
raising concerns about pedestrian access and parking. Residents also have concerns about children walking,

1180
01:46:39,010 --> 01:46:43,770
school bus stops, and nearby school routes. Before Council grants additional density, please

1181
01:46:43,770 --> 01:46:47,490
require an updated analysis that separates the initial access arrangement.

1182
01:46:47,490 --> 01:46:50,090
from the future-connected network.

1183
01:46:50,530 --> 01:46:52,530
It should identify expected traffic volumes,

1184
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:55,330
turning movements, speeds, pedestrian routes,

1185
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:59,250
and effects on the intersections used to reach 134 south.

1186
01:46:59,770 --> 01:47:01,690
It should also distinguish project traffic

1187
01:47:01,690 --> 01:47:03,530
from any additional through traffic

1188
01:47:03,530 --> 01:47:05,430
that a new connection might attract.

1189
01:47:05,890 --> 01:47:08,170
We are asking for an analysis of those possibilities

1190
01:47:08,170 --> 01:47:10,410
rather than assuming their size and advance.

1191
01:47:11,550 --> 01:47:13,230
What improvements would be required

1192
01:47:13,230 --> 01:47:15,350
where would pedestrians walk safely

1193
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:20,290
who would fund those improvements and what must be completed before the relevant roadway opens.

1194
01:47:20,890 --> 01:47:26,170
Emergency only access 1775 Shrume in a separate matter with a gate restriction stated clearly

1195
01:47:26,170 --> 01:47:30,970
in the final documents. Please continue this application until Council and residents can review

1196
01:47:30,970 --> 01:47:36,950
the traffic findings and the proposed safety measures. A future connection should not become an open

1197
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:43,930
ended commitment without clear conditions. The neighborhood deserves answers about safety before approval

1198
01:47:43,930 --> 01:47:47,670
along with a concrete plan to address the impacts the analysis identified.

1199
01:47:48,670 --> 01:47:49,350
Thank you.

1200
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:49,670
Thank you.

1201
01:47:49,790 --> 01:47:50,950
Thank you for your time.

1202
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:58,750
He will be followed by Brighton Flynn.

1203
01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:03,780
Hello Mayor and City Council members.

1204
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:08,960
Over the course of this process, my neighbors and I have repeatedly raised concerns about density,

1205
01:48:09,700 --> 01:48:12,820
traffic, safety, and opening of 13550.

1206
01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:18,940
What I find frustrating is that these aren't principles that are formed to this council.

1207
01:48:18,940 --> 01:48:24,660
Members of this council have publicly expressed serious reservations about increasing residential

1208
01:48:24,660 --> 01:48:26,160
density in Reverton.

1209
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:34,220
Council member McDougall previously said he was very lary of approving higher density housing

1210
01:48:34,220 --> 01:48:39,140
while Reverton was struggling with traffic flow and that he did not want to add more congestion

1211
01:48:39,140 --> 01:48:41,160
to an existing problem.

1212
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:48,640
Mayor Baroko Baroker has publicly stated that she does not believe high density housing

1213
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:52,500
is the answer. She has also acknowledged something directly relevant to our neighborhood.

1214
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:58,840
When Rosa connected, traffic increases in areas that previously did not have much traffic,

1215
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:05,620
and those connections bring their own problems. Even Riverton's own ordinance says,

1216
01:49:06,460 --> 01:49:13,440
the purpose of low density RR-22 neighborhoods is to provide a minimum of vehicular traffic

1217
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:18,060
and quiet neighborhoods favorable for family life, unquipped.

1218
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,880
Those are exactly the things we're asking you to protect.

1219
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,980
We choose to live in a low density, low traffic neighborhood.

1220
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,340
The proposed development is approximately equal to the number of homes currently on our street,

1221
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:36,300
and proposes density dramatically greater than the surrounding neighborhood.

1222
01:49:37,460 --> 01:49:42,080
And now after months of meetings, the proposal has gotten worse for the existing residents

1223
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:46,460
by accommodating a future connection for 13550 South.

1224
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:50,560
I'm not asking this Council to adopt a new philosophy tonight.

1225
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:55,520
I'm asking you to apply the same principles regarding density, traffic, neighborhood protection,

1226
01:49:56,060 --> 01:49:59,680
and responsible growth that members of this Council have publicly advocated.

1227
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:00,980
In the past.

1228
01:50:03,370 --> 01:50:13,910
And before you approve this agreement, I ask you to answer one simple question. If this isn't the situation, those principles were intended to protect against what situation is.

1229
01:50:14,530 --> 01:50:17,530
Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Flynn.

1230
01:50:18,810 --> 01:50:20,470
Oh, sorry, excuse me.

1231
01:50:20,610 --> 01:50:21,630
That's okay, may I?

1232
01:50:21,630 --> 01:50:23,290
Three of you at the same time, okay?

1233
01:50:23,670 --> 01:50:24,290
Nope, you're leaving.

1234
01:50:26,610 --> 01:50:26,630
Okay.

1235
01:50:27,130 --> 01:50:28,310
Mayor and council members.

1236
01:50:28,530 --> 01:50:31,270
My name is Braden Flynn, and I live on 135.

1237
01:50:32,110 --> 01:50:34,570
Excuse me, 50 South right here in this lot.

1238
01:50:34,770 --> 01:50:35,770
The end of the closest act.

1239
01:50:36,490 --> 01:50:40,010
I want to bring these concerns together around a particular request.

1240
01:50:40,410 --> 01:50:42,770
Per suit development that fits this site

1241
01:50:42,770 --> 01:50:46,390
and resolve the access and safety questions before granting approval.

1242
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:50,390
There's already an alternative in the record.

1243
01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:59,130
The Planning Commission unanimously recommended RM6 rather than RM8, with 5,000 square foot minimum

1244
01:50:59,130 --> 01:50:59,690
lots.

1245
01:51:00,150 --> 01:51:04,010
Larger setbacks and road standards consistent with the recommendation.

1246
01:51:05,230 --> 01:51:12,970
City staff also identified Riverton Cove as an RM6 example, with lots between 5,000 and

1247
01:51:12,970 --> 01:51:17,690
and square feet, a 28 foot roadway, and a sidewalk on one side.

1248
01:51:18,930 --> 01:51:23,450
That example does not prove that the same design or economics will work on this property.

1249
01:51:23,870 --> 01:51:29,850
It does provide a local starting point for evaluating a less intense alternative to the requested

1250
01:51:29,850 --> 01:51:32,370
3,000 square foot minimum lots.

1251
01:51:33,570 --> 01:51:40,890
Please ask the applicant to explain what a workable RM6 plan will look like here, including circulation,

1252
01:51:40,890 --> 01:51:46,230
pedestrian access and transitions to adjacent properties.

1253
01:51:47,450 --> 01:51:51,310
Developer, the developer has explained that fewer units increase the

1254
01:51:51,310 --> 01:51:54,830
land and infrastructure cost per home.

1255
01:51:55,770 --> 01:52:00,250
Excuse me, we understand the importance of feasibility, Council's decision

1256
01:52:00,250 --> 01:52:04,290
must also account for the suitability of the density and the infrastructure

1257
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:05,890
needed to support it.

1258
01:52:06,250 --> 01:52:10,730
Please also document the access alternatives considered, including any shared

1259
01:52:10,730 --> 01:52:17,290
redwood access, discuss during the planning commission process. Residents need to understand

1260
01:52:19,070 --> 01:52:21,890
apologize, I'll ask my place.

1261
01:52:26,900 --> 01:52:29,940
I'm going to start right over here. That's why you take your time.

1262
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:35,700
Okay. The developer has explained that fewer units increase the land and infrastructure costs per

1263
01:52:35,700 --> 01:52:40,320
home. We understand the importance and feasibility. Council's decision must also account for the

1264
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:46,640
ability of density of the infrastructure needed to support it. Please also document the access alternatives

1265
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:51,500
considered in any shared redwood access discussed during the planning commission process.

1266
01:52:51,940 --> 01:52:56,580
Residents need to understand which options were explored. What you dot required and why the

1267
01:52:56,580 --> 01:53:02,800
proposal arrangement was selected, our shared request is to decline RMA as presented and continue

1268
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:09,080
the application for a corrected agreement. Public reviews of you dots, requirements and an

1269
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,480
state traffic and pedestrian safety evaluation.

1270
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:17,300
We support thoughtful development, but please make sure the final plan provides new housing

1271
01:53:17,300 --> 01:53:23,260
while respecting the safety and character of the community already surrounding it.

1272
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:24,180
Thank you.

1273
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,080
Thank you very much.

1274
01:53:27,420 --> 01:53:28,220
Sky Flynn.

1275
01:53:28,740 --> 01:53:30,740
It will be followed by Michelle Dobson.

1276
01:53:37,260 --> 01:53:39,980
Well, he's coming up by Sky followed by Michelle.

1277
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:41,260
Yeah.

1278
01:53:43,890 --> 01:53:44,870
I'll let you come up with that.

1279
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:46,230
No, you're doing great.

1280
01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:47,190
And you're all doing great.

1281
01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:50,070
Thank you very much for keeping your comments to three minutes or less.

1282
01:53:50,190 --> 01:53:50,770
It's appreciated.

1283
01:53:51,130 --> 01:53:51,670
Please, sir.

1284
01:53:51,810 --> 01:53:52,230
Go ahead.

1285
01:53:53,050 --> 01:53:53,770
My name is Guy Flynn.

1286
01:53:53,930 --> 01:53:56,470
I live on 135, 50 South.

1287
01:53:57,510 --> 01:54:00,110
My comment would be really short, because I thought I wasn't going to get a chance

1288
01:54:00,110 --> 01:54:00,990
so I gave it to her.

1289
01:54:01,310 --> 01:54:08,850
But I support all these that are coming up and speaking out on what we actually need for

1290
01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:09,950
where we're living at.

1291
01:54:10,010 --> 01:54:11,370
We're living right next to these people.

1292
01:54:12,010 --> 01:54:27,890
This house is going in and we'd like them to fit in with the surrounding area and we would like to have it match what the heritage people have held

1293
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:35,810
Riverton to or tried to hold us to for the city to for, you know, the last 20 plus years that he talked about.

1294
01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:44,550
I grew up here, I love this town, and I don't want to see it change too much, so that's my emotional remarks, so I'll sit back down.

1295
01:54:44,750 --> 01:54:50,370
Thank you very much. Okay, Michelle Thompson. She will be followed by

1296
01:54:52,650 --> 01:54:57,310
Shane Johnson and Shane will be followed by Alicia Clayton, and that will be the end of the

1297
01:54:57,310 --> 01:54:59,790
comment. Okay Michelle. Thanks.

1298
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,980
Thank you. Mayor and council members, my name is Michelle Dobson. I live on 135-50 South. I respectfully ask you to continue ordinance 26-06. So the revised proposal can receive meaningful public review before a final decision. The February planning commission recommendation was for RM6 with no vehicular access to 135-50 South or 1775 West. The proposal now

1299
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:40,340
President includes RM8 emergency access at 1775 and accommodation for a future connection at 13550.

1300
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:44,060
Those are consequential differences in both density and circulation.

1301
01:55:44,740 --> 01:55:52,600
The public notice itself explains that the access changes arise from U. requirements and

1302
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:55,800
says additional information will be presented at this hearing.

1303
01:55:55,800 --> 01:56:06,260
Residents should have a reasonable opportunity to understand that information, review the revised plans and ask informed questions before Council acts.

1304
01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:10,040
Please make U.S. written determination available to the public.

1305
01:56:10,820 --> 01:56:13,660
What specifies access configuration was denied?

1306
01:56:14,380 --> 01:56:16,420
What connections are required and when?

1307
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:18,580
What alternatives were evaluated?

1308
01:56:18,580 --> 01:56:23,900
did, does U.R. require an immediate neighborhood connection, a reserve future connection,

1309
01:56:24,420 --> 01:56:30,540
or something else? And when will that future connection be happening?

1310
01:56:31,260 --> 01:56:35,820
These questions should be answered through the actual correspondence and plans rather than

1311
01:56:35,820 --> 01:56:41,600
completing summaries of what U.R. wants. Please also identify exactly which concept plan

1312
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:46,100
development standards and conditions would be incorporated into any final approval.

1313
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:51,760
The South recommendation agreement and exhibit should all describe the same project.

1314
01:56:52,420 --> 01:56:58,180
The proposed agreement contains vesting provisions that is intended to run with the land.

1315
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:01,380
That makes clarity before approval, especially important.

1316
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:08,400
Residents should not have to rely on an informal explanation that never reaches the final documents.

1317
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:14,840
A continuing should allow the city to publish a reconciled proposal, evaluate transportation

1318
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,480
impacts and provide a clear opportunity for public response.

1319
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:25,040
Council could also consider whether a revised plan should return to the planning commission.

1320
01:57:25,740 --> 01:57:31,860
We're asking for a complete and transparent review of the project that Council is actually

1321
01:57:31,860 --> 01:57:36,980
considering before allowing that review before approving the agreement.

1322
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:38,740
Thank you.

1323
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:40,320
Shane Johnson.

1324
01:57:42,740 --> 01:57:44,280
Thank you, Mayor and City Council.

1325
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:50,200
my name's Shane Johnson. I live on 135, 50 South. I've lived there for 44 years. So I've

1326
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:55,220
seen a lot of changes in Riverton. Okay? I'm not that old, but I've seen a lot of changes

1327
01:57:55,220 --> 01:58:02,920
and a lot of growth. But I think number one, you know, you don't putting that, putting it out

1328
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:07,620
there that, you know, when South Valley Aquinas was going to go in there, which we're, I think most

1329
01:58:07,620 --> 01:58:12,660
of the neighbors were pretty excited about that, right? You know, they shot it down because you

1330
01:58:12,660 --> 01:58:17,340
I wouldn't fix the road off redwood so they could turn in and make a left-hand turn, right,

1331
01:58:17,540 --> 01:58:24,630
heading north and so south alley headed south. Good for them. But now we're stuck with

1332
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:31,900
daybreak and daybreak doesn't excite any of us. I don't believe in this room. Maybe there's a few,

1333
01:58:32,140 --> 01:58:39,060
but I don't think the majority of us did excites. So, you know, as far as what we'd like to see,

1334
01:58:39,060 --> 01:58:44,000
I oppose this plan right now as it stands if you want to make the neighborhood similar to

1335
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:44,940
what we have.

1336
01:58:45,420 --> 01:58:54,520
That's great with lot sizes that are made for families, not single parents or husband and

1337
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:54,880
wife.

1338
01:58:55,420 --> 01:58:56,740
We have families that are neighborhood.

1339
01:58:57,140 --> 01:59:02,240
We have lots of kids and the last thing we want is people racing up in our street.

1340
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:04,980
We have no sidewalks right now.

1341
01:59:04,980 --> 01:59:07,440
I see that we're going to put one little one in there.

1342
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:10,200
You back out of your driveway, you're going to hit your neighbor's car.

1343
01:59:11,140 --> 01:59:14,640
So, I mean, this doesn't make any sense for people in the river, too.

1344
01:59:16,020 --> 01:59:17,560
I don't know if it makes sense to you guys.

1345
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:21,880
But our concerns include absence of sidewalks,

1346
01:59:22,020 --> 01:59:24,180
children walking to school activity parking.

1347
01:59:25,020 --> 01:59:26,500
There's no parking available there.

1348
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:30,360
Besides a few around this park that's proposed or this green space.

1349
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:37,320
I don't know what kind of people live in houses that size, I'm not sure, but can't be much fun.

1350
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:44,340
So I don't think it represents Riverton and the residents that surround this neighborhood

1351
01:59:44,340 --> 01:59:48,520
and Redwood Road, the other side, it doesn't represent us.

1352
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:53,460
And I hope that Phil Stone doesn't sound like they did their homework

1353
01:59:53,460 --> 01:59:57,060
on this property before they bought it because they're trying to cram 31 homes

1354
01:59:57,060 --> 01:59:59,960
and for our fakers, so they can make much...

1355
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:28,040
I understand they've got to make money, but make money a different way or do your homework. And I'll think they did. So I oppose what we have here if they want to change it, to where it represents Riverton and what I grew up in as Riverton and a lot of these folks here that are in this neighborhood. They represent, they're all here, okay? All of them are here. So I hope you guys listen and put some thought into this before this goes through. Thank you.

1356
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:36,040
Thank you, Alicia Clayton, okay, the pressure's on, you're the final concluding.

1357
02:00:38,140 --> 02:00:41,800
I'll just say I am in agreement with the concerns.

1358
02:00:42,780 --> 02:00:49,400
I am Alicia Clayton, I live on one, three, five, two, five, south, 1930 West.

1359
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:53,440
I'm glad to be here with Mayor.

1360
02:00:54,400 --> 02:01:00,320
My concern is whether the development agreement and consent plan and policy approval

1361
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:03,080
conditions are consistent and ready for adoption.

1362
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:08,000
The agreement includes investing provision in the states that it runs with the land.

1363
02:01:08,220 --> 02:01:12,280
It also contains language addressing conflicts with city ordinances.

1364
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:18,320
Those provisions make an important to resolve these discrepancies before approval.

1365
02:01:20,500 --> 02:01:25,920
And I would just say, one example, the agreement also appears to direct recording and

1366
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:30,280
weaver county and not in Salt Lake County as it should.

1367
02:01:31,020 --> 02:01:35,800
So please correct the recording provision and any outdated dates before adoption.

1368
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:44,660
And these are specific grafting issues, not a claim that a typographical error alone determines

1369
02:01:44,660 --> 02:01:46,480
whether development should proceed.

1370
02:01:47,180 --> 02:01:50,580
They show why residents need a final reconciled document.

1371
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:57,920
The access provisions deserve the same attention, the agreement should clearly distinguish

1372
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:07,200
the new roadway to Redwood, the dedicated, but unconstructed future, 135, 50 segment, and the

1373
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:16,740
emergency only gate at 1775. Who controls the gate when made open? What review is required

1374
02:02:16,740 --> 02:02:24,320
before any ordinary vehicular access is allowed? What safety improvements must precede a future

1375
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:30,540
street opening, those answers should be incorporated into the final approval documents.

1376
02:02:32,180 --> 02:02:37,560
Rather than left solely in oral statements at the hearing, please also reconcile the

1377
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:46,620
approved density, law count, minimum, minimum, lot sizes, setbacks, and road widths

1378
02:02:46,620 --> 02:02:48,600
across the agreements and plans.

1379
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:58,300
I respectfully request a continuance until council and the public can review the corrected agreement with all the conditions incorporated.

1380
02:02:59,060 --> 02:03:04,960
A document intended to guide future development deserves that level of care before it is approved.

1381
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:06,620
Thank you very much.

1382
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:07,840
Thank you very much.

1383
02:03:08,620 --> 02:03:14,940
Okay, that concludes the public comment portion of the hearing for ordinance number 26-06.

1384
02:03:14,940 --> 02:03:19,960
I will turn it back over to Council members for questions and comments.

1385
02:03:20,220 --> 02:03:20,420
Mayor.

1386
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:21,840
Excuse me.

1387
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:22,320
I'm sorry.

1388
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:26,000
If I could, there were several questions brought up in the public.

1389
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:27,440
We'd like to address those correctly.

1390
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:28,380
It may address.

1391
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:28,880
Sure.

1392
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:29,740
Please do that.

1393
02:03:29,740 --> 02:03:29,860
Please do that.

1394
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:31,340
I'll be brief.

1395
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:36,180
The fencing question that was brought up.

1396
02:03:36,460 --> 02:03:41,100
The planning commission's motion was for fencing along the north side of the gentleman's

1397
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:45,000
lot as the applicant pointed out the road has changed.

1398
02:03:46,460 --> 02:03:51,160
I only made modifications to the Planning Commission's recommended motion where they clearly

1399
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:52,920
reflected previous conversations.

1400
02:03:53,700 --> 02:03:59,060
That could be modified by the City Council, but that's why that north and south were referenced

1401
02:03:59,060 --> 02:03:59,460
differently.

1402
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:04,340
I believe the same gentleman brought up the question of property lines and surveys.

1403
02:04:04,340 --> 02:04:12,480
That would all need to be surveyed and established by the applicant prior to moving to the next step.

1404
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:18,960
The Council's decision or action tonight doesn't in any way make determinations as to property line in placement.

1405
02:04:19,580 --> 02:04:29,380
But the city will and does require full surveys and mitigation of any issues that come up before the actual development occurs.

1406
02:04:29,380 --> 02:04:34,540
So we can't speak to that tonight, but the Council's action doesn't make any judgment on

1407
02:04:34,540 --> 02:04:35,180
property lines.

1408
02:04:36,100 --> 02:04:41,380
There was a question on affordable housing that has certainly been part of the discussion

1409
02:04:41,380 --> 02:04:42,520
in the various meetings.

1410
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:50,820
The city is not designating this or in any way making this an affordable housing project in the

1411
02:04:50,820 --> 02:04:55,260
sense that there are certain thresholds that need to be met to participate in the city

1412
02:04:55,260 --> 02:04:55,820
or state.

1413
02:04:56,380 --> 02:04:59,960
I just want to be clear, so that's why there is no language to-

1414
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:19,060
Do that affect in the agreement. Several questions on you dot and what they considered. You dot considered the previous iterations of this plan, both the initial, and then this, which was the one that went to the planning commission.

1415
02:05:19,060 --> 02:05:24,840
So you dot looked at the proposed access and closure of those roadways.

1416
02:05:25,700 --> 02:05:31,940
Their decision was based not, and I'm going to paraphrase a lot of conversations with

1417
02:05:31,940 --> 02:05:32,180
you dot.

1418
02:05:32,300 --> 02:05:38,040
It was not simply a capacity issue or a traffic count or safety issue on Redwood Road.

1419
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:43,340
Part of you dot's concern was maintaining connections into surrounding neighborhoods.

1420
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:44,880
This is not unique to Riverton.

1421
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:50,200
Utah is taking this position in a lot of other communities to preserve the ability for that

1422
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:56,820
traffic in the future, not just for this property, but for the adjacent, to have access

1423
02:05:56,820 --> 02:05:57,920
to other road networks.

1424
02:05:58,300 --> 02:06:05,040
So, Utah's decision was, and I've simplified that, but was for this, that is, before you

1425
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:10,600
tonight for this public roadway portion, but it was not simply a question of traffic counts

1426
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:16,200
or connection it was looking at maintaining the option in the future for that connection to

1427
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:16,720
be made.

1428
02:06:19,500 --> 02:06:26,820
The question of a traffic study on 13550, that has not been done yet because that road is

1429
02:06:26,820 --> 02:06:27,980
not opening up.

1430
02:06:28,260 --> 02:06:36,220
So the only portion of what is 13550 that will be constructed new is this portion here to

1431
02:06:36,220 --> 02:06:38,980
provide access into the project.

1432
02:06:38,980 --> 02:06:45,920
that future right of way is future and is dependent on the property to the

1433
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:50,930
south developing to bring that additional portion of roadway. The density and

1434
02:06:51,560 --> 02:06:56,680
development type of that property and this would contribute to any future

1435
02:06:56,680 --> 02:07:02,040
traffic study but that this project would not be contributing any traffic at

1436
02:07:02,040 --> 02:07:07,340
this point 213550 so there would not be anything to measure if I'm not

1437
02:07:07,340 --> 02:07:13,980
simplifying but in the future at whatever points the roadway is connected there would need

1438
02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:20,920
to at that point be more comprehensive traffic studies a U. permit and I will carefully say

1439
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:29,200
this while the space is being preserved for that future public right away. There are many decisions

1440
02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:35,680
that remain to be made both by the city and by U. before that connection can or would be made

1441
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:41,520
in the future. As far as timing, it is dependent wholly on future development of that property.

1442
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:47,380
We acknowledge there would be more conversation at that time about both the traffic study

1443
02:07:47,380 --> 02:07:53,260
and the configuration of the roadway. The only portion that is being built now is that what

1444
02:07:53,260 --> 02:07:59,600
is label on that map is the little blue public right away. But it is not in disregard of the concerns

1445
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:04,440
or issues that are brought up tonight. We had that conversation with you dot that while we are

1446
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:06,700
preserving this portion of the right of way,

1447
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:09,440
there would be additional data, studies, and information

1448
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:13,460
coming to U.N. to the city in the future at whatever point

1449
02:08:13,460 --> 02:08:17,180
that roadway is proposed to be connected.

1450
02:08:18,140 --> 02:08:19,240
It could be 20 years.

1451
02:08:19,460 --> 02:08:20,020
It could be never.

1452
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:23,820
That is wholly dependent on future decisions by landowners

1453
02:08:23,820 --> 02:08:24,620
and by U.N.

1454
02:08:25,060 --> 02:08:27,240
If I understood the question correctly,

1455
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:29,720
someone asked about shared access on Redwood Road,

1456
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:31,660
because this is a public right of way.

1457
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:34,200
This would be, and part of the reason that it

1458
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:39,640
is placed where it is, this roadway, both this front portion and in the future portion built,

1459
02:08:40,060 --> 02:08:44,200
would be accessed both for the property to the south and to the north.

1460
02:08:44,300 --> 02:08:48,380
So that is being approved as a shared access point onto Redwood Road.

1461
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:58,120
To the question is, two standards and what exhibit will exhibit be that you see on the screen

1462
02:08:58,120 --> 02:09:05,260
is the exhibit that was submitted by the applicant with the visual version of their standards,

1463
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:11,580
the road width, the setbacks, the general layout and configuration of the property and access.

1464
02:09:12,020 --> 02:09:18,160
As I indicated at the beginning, should the council approve this at whatever density they will

1465
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:24,060
proceed based on this general information into the subdivision portion at which time more

1466
02:09:24,060 --> 02:09:30,160
engineering data will come as part of that approval, but this would establish the standards

1467
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:36,340
for that in addition to the development agreement, which, as we indicated with that condition

1468
02:09:36,340 --> 02:09:40,840
seven in the motion, would need to be updated to reflect the council's decisions.

1469
02:09:41,220 --> 02:09:47,460
Certainly, if the council's preference is to see that in place prior to a decision, what

1470
02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:53,480
we would need, then, is an indication of what version of this, you know, planning commissions

1471
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:58,560
recommendation or otherwise, the council is willing to approve and we can make those

1472
02:09:58,560 --> 02:09:58,880
edits.

1473
02:09:59,240 --> 02:09:59,980
But it is certainly not-

1474
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:06,020
Not with any intent to keep information back or to have something currently in the draft of the

1475
02:10:06,020 --> 02:10:12,660
development agreement become law. As that condition stated, the development agreement will not be executed until it is clear,

1476
02:10:13,500 --> 02:10:18,400
and not just to staff, but to the city attorney satisfaction that it reflects the council's motion.

1477
02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:28,120
And so at the last point to the emergency gate, that has been reviewed by representatives of unified fire and our emergency services.

1478
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:32,200
The key system to that is what's called a noxbox.

1479
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:35,680
It is a technical standard that is universal,

1480
02:10:35,980 --> 02:10:39,440
meaning the only access to that type of system is

1481
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:40,680
by emergency services.

1482
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,960
It's in use throughout the state and Riverton City.

1483
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:47,220
That's not reflected in the motion or in the standard

1484
02:10:47,220 --> 02:10:50,200
because the requirement to close that for emergency vehicles.

1485
02:10:50,660 --> 02:10:54,240
Only means that the technical portion would be handled

1486
02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:56,480
with the cooperation of our emergency services.

1487
02:10:56,480 --> 02:11:05,340
There would not be any situation or allowance for other traffic to open that gate or to use that roadway.

1488
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:09,080
I believe that was all of the questions that came up during the public room.

1489
02:11:09,500 --> 02:11:12,940
I don't know if you can answer this one or not, but there was one question about trees.

1490
02:11:13,640 --> 02:11:14,620
Whether they would be.

1491
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:15,820
Oh, trees, I'm sorry.

1492
02:11:16,340 --> 02:11:24,800
At this point, we consider these lines general, so we are always looking to preserve trees as much as possible.

1493
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:29,920
It is very dependent on where the tree or trees are relative to the property lines.

1494
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:37,840
So we couldn't determine tonight, but that would be part of the future engineering review

1495
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:42,320
of the subdivision and that conversation between the applicant and the property owner.

1496
02:11:43,340 --> 02:11:44,460
Thank you very much.

1497
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:47,300
Okay, Council, we'll start with Council Member Peruti.

1498
02:11:47,980 --> 02:11:48,700
Thank you.

1499
02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:49,880
I have a couple of questions.

1500
02:11:50,440 --> 02:11:52,440
First off, I wanted to thank everybody for coming tonight.

1501
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:57,940
this is honestly really cool to see this much engagement and I know it may bring some level of

1502
02:11:57,940 --> 02:12:02,460
angst or frustration that you have to come to share your views, but I also think it's a beautiful

1503
02:12:02,460 --> 02:12:06,320
thing that this is what our country's made of. So thank you for coming and sharing your views.

1504
02:12:07,820 --> 02:12:12,720
Jason, can you talk about what the traffic city that was conducted, what did that find?

1505
02:12:15,500 --> 02:12:22,420
Can you

1506
02:12:22,420 --> 02:12:27,200
capacity of Redwood Road was sufficient to accommodate that traffic.

1507
02:12:27,660 --> 02:12:32,140
Because in this proposal 1775 is not being opened,

1508
02:12:32,660 --> 02:12:36,340
and 1-3550 is a future right-of-way connection.

1509
02:12:36,740 --> 02:12:41,140
It did not consider those access points, but both for you dot,

1510
02:12:41,300 --> 02:12:45,320
who makes the ultimate decision on access to Redwood Road and to the city,

1511
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:51,700
that access point on Redwood is sufficient to account for the traffic of this.

1512
02:12:51,700 --> 02:12:58,960
the assumption in that is that if the Council modifies the density, it would only be reduced.

1513
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:04,380
So the traffic volumes were considered at the proposed level of density, that would indicate

1514
02:13:04,380 --> 02:13:06,180
that there would not be concerns.

1515
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:12,320
And as I said, future connection to 13550 would be accompanied by updated traffic studies,

1516
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:14,440
including the additional properties developed.

1517
02:13:14,500 --> 02:13:19,980
Yeah, I was reviewing the traffic study data that's on page 18 of our packet for this.

1518
02:13:19,980 --> 02:13:22,920
And I think it was insightful for me to review it

1519
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:25,600
because the existing zoning is commercial neighborhood,

1520
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,500
which would, according to the traffic studies

1521
02:13:28,500 --> 02:13:32,420
that have been conducted, could lead to up to,

1522
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:35,720
well, 3,400 trips per day,

1523
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:38,040
depending on the type of commercial development.

1524
02:13:38,300 --> 02:13:39,040
That's depending.

1525
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:40,800
I know that if we had South Valley equine,

1526
02:13:40,860 --> 02:13:42,300
it would not be that.

1527
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:45,140
But because it's commercial neighborhood,

1528
02:13:45,160 --> 02:13:48,960
that opens up a whole host of development options currently.

1529
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:53,860
I'm not saying that that's what we would have, but that was insightful for me to recognize

1530
02:13:53,860 --> 02:13:57,500
that the existing zoning could actually mean a larger impact from a traffic standpoint

1531
02:13:57,500 --> 02:14:00,960
on roadwood road than residential options.

1532
02:14:01,780 --> 02:14:08,100
The residential options that are in this traffic study right now is up to 300 trips per day.

1533
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:13,860
I recognize that that does not include the right of way, the public road that would extend

1534
02:14:13,860 --> 02:14:18,480
on 13, 50, 50 South or 135, 50 South.

1535
02:14:19,780 --> 02:14:21,740
But the editing that's something that's helpful to understand

1536
02:14:21,740 --> 02:14:23,740
is that as the current zoning stands,

1537
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:27,100
that we could see far more traffic than with residential.

1538
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:30,520
I'm not necessarily saying that advocate for the existing

1539
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:35,740
proposal, but it's a recognition that zoning can impact traffic.

1540
02:14:36,900 --> 02:14:38,880
And if I could interject, I don't mean to interrupt you.

1541
02:14:39,420 --> 02:14:41,880
But part of the reason I think maybe this speaks to some

1542
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:48,400
the questions that we had the conversations with you that that we did is you that absolutely

1543
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:50,600
controls access on to redwood road.

1544
02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:55,880
So you dots response to those initial plans where they would not allow an access point on

1545
02:14:55,880 --> 02:14:56,820
to redwood road.

1546
02:14:56,820 --> 02:14:59,960
In that scenario, if access to Redwood Road went to...

1547
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:14,060
The only option for connection to this property and the property to the south would be the connections to 13550 and 1775, meaning all of the traffic could only flow through those roadways.

1548
02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:19,860
That was not an acceptable situation certainly to staff as we reviewed and discussed it with the council.

1549
02:15:20,540 --> 02:15:26,360
So this is absolutely the nature of a compromise, but it was one looking to preserve as best we could.

1550
02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:30,960
the ability for as much of the traffic to flow on to redwood and not into the neighborhoods

1551
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:35,140
to help preserve and protect those areas.

1552
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:43,840
But you dot put us in what I will say, an impossible position of either not acknowledging

1553
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:48,460
that authority and being left with only connections to the neighborhood or seeking a compromise

1554
02:15:48,460 --> 02:15:53,660
between you dot the applicant and the city that would at least preserve that access point

1555
02:15:53,660 --> 02:15:54,180
on to redwood.

1556
02:15:54,180 --> 02:15:55,860
And I apologize, I interrupted you as well.

1557
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:56,600
So you're totally good.

1558
02:15:56,840 --> 02:15:58,540
The other question to how do I apologize for these questions,

1559
02:15:58,760 --> 02:16:01,520
but just actually for the applicant, more in particular,

1560
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:05,780
how many more parking stalls are in this plan

1561
02:16:05,780 --> 02:16:07,220
in the last time we saw it?

1562
02:16:07,300 --> 02:16:10,200
And what is the total number of parking spaces proposed

1563
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:11,920
in this application?

1564
02:16:13,480 --> 02:16:14,860
I'd have to count them.

1565
02:16:14,980 --> 02:16:17,420
But 31 units with four parking spaces per unit,

1566
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:20,200
two car garage, two cars on the driveway.

1567
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:25,000
Okay, so what's that 124 on top of these?

1568
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:29,380
And then what you see there, there's also a few opportunities

1569
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:34,460
for parallel parking on the streets, which are not drawn on here,

1570
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:36,540
but on some of the sidewalk conditions,

1571
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:41,040
there's actually room to parallel park on the streets as well.

1572
02:16:41,780 --> 02:16:47,100
Yeah, with a 28-foot wide section, you can park on one side of the street.

1573
02:16:49,660 --> 02:17:08,020
So just for context, if it's all right, part of why, part of our discussion last time what we had this meeting, we talked about this application, is the recognition that parking, whenever something is approved, there is a spillover effect from parking that impacts neighborhoods.

1574
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:18,080
And the way that I go about approving or my vote on resones is I have a try to have a logical process.

1575
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:22,340
I appreciate that somebody asks, can you lay out your process of why you do things or why you don't do things?

1576
02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:25,960
And for me, it's is it consistent or compatible with the general plan?

1577
02:17:26,980 --> 02:17:32,940
If not, is it consistent or compatible with neighboring properties or other projects that are along this road?

1578
02:17:32,940 --> 02:17:39,040
And neighboring properties know, but we have approved RM6 along Redwood Road.

1579
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:47,760
We haven't pushed for additional parking accommodations when improving that.

1580
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:53,660
This one, in particular, because we've been able to get approval for access on Redwood Road

1581
02:17:53,660 --> 02:17:55,740
without making the connection within neighborhoods.

1582
02:17:56,500 --> 02:18:01,820
Because you dot has an allowed us to do that, we were really concerned as a council,

1583
02:18:01,820 --> 02:18:06,180
I mean, I'll speak for myself. I was concerned about approving this without having additional

1584
02:18:06,180 --> 02:18:10,860
parking accommodations so that there would be less of an impact to the neighborhoods when

1585
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,740
135 or 50 South is fully connected.

1586
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:19,480
That's why we said, hey, we'd like to see more parking

1587
02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:31,800
options here as this is being discussed. Now RM6 is consistent with what we've seen in other parts of

1588
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:34,560
more sheep parking with RM6, or could be more garage parking.

1589
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:36,700
But that's at least the logic or the discussions

1590
02:18:36,700 --> 02:18:37,940
that we've been having up to this point

1591
02:18:37,940 --> 02:18:40,360
is we've been talking about these impacts to the neighborhoods

1592
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:42,940
of what does parking look like, and how does this

1593
02:18:42,940 --> 02:18:45,500
bill over affect, what does this bill over affect look

1594
02:18:45,500 --> 02:18:46,380
like in the community?

1595
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:53,420
I did have a question, Jason, in the traffic study,

1596
02:18:54,160 --> 02:18:59,020
it said that it was assumed that a much of the traffic

1597
02:18:59,020 --> 02:19:00,360
would go on redwood road.

1598
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:02,060
Can you just talk about that?

1599
02:19:02,260 --> 02:19:04,960
Because when I look at this, realistically,

1600
02:19:05,380 --> 02:19:08,660
I see a lot of, like the neighborhoods that exist,

1601
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:12,280
most people have to flow to 134th South,

1602
02:19:12,660 --> 02:19:15,960
and then go either towards Redwood Road,

1603
02:19:16,020 --> 02:19:20,460
or towards Bangerter, with the neighborhood going in here,

1604
02:19:20,460 --> 02:19:24,800
I see more traffic flowing from the neighborhood

1605
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:28,060
to Redwood Road, using this as next point to Redwood Road,

1606
02:19:28,060 --> 02:19:32,620
which could potentially reduce the traffic flows within the neighborhood for those residents

1607
02:19:32,620 --> 02:19:38,520
that live closer to a proposed development going to one-thirty fourth and then turning

1608
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:39,880
under one-thirty-fourth-thirty red red red red red.

1609
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,780
So, can you talk about what that traffic study looked at?

1610
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:48,900
Yeah, the assumption that was made as part of that traffic study and this is when it says

1611
02:19:48,900 --> 02:19:51,340
in assumption it doesn't mean someone just kind of flipped a coin.

1612
02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:57,000
It means the traffic engineers that prepared this study did so in consideration of those

1613
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,960
that for this, the project area heat.

1614
02:20:01,300 --> 02:20:24,580
The route to either one thirty-fourth or redwood through a future connection of one thirty-five fifty would be torturous, as maybe that's my own word, meaning it's not a direct route, and there isn't either time or convenience to be gained by going through the neighborhood and making their way down to one thirty-fourth or redwood.

1615
02:20:24,580 --> 02:20:32,820
So, based on the future idea that 13550 is connected, the assumption and the modeling is that most

1616
02:20:32,820 --> 02:20:35,720
of the traffic would just get directly on to Redwood Road.

1617
02:20:36,520 --> 02:20:42,900
Even if they were looking to go west, even if the left turn were, they would look at that

1618
02:20:42,900 --> 02:20:44,900
southbound movement on to Redwood Road.

1619
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:52,680
To your point about there being more advantage to this neighborhood to have an alternative

1620
02:20:52,680 --> 02:20:58,040
point of access to Redwood is very much correct. That was why I will say we were somewhat

1621
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:04,300
surprised by U.S. requirement because their mandate to make that connection actually

1622
02:21:04,300 --> 02:21:13,560
increases the volume of traffic on to Redwood Road. So that, when I say surprise, our expectation

1623
02:21:13,560 --> 02:21:19,880
was not that they would do that. But yes, a future connection to 13550 would at least for kind

1624
02:21:19,880 --> 02:21:26,380
the eastern portion of that roadway be a much more direct exit and would to your point

1625
02:21:26,380 --> 02:21:27,760
serve to reduce traffic.

1626
02:21:28,100 --> 02:21:28,500
Okay.

1627
02:21:28,820 --> 02:21:29,220
Thank you.

1628
02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:36,340
My last question is, and maybe we don't have a good answer for this, but why the delay on

1629
02:21:36,340 --> 02:21:42,180
curbing gutter for these neighbourhoods is it an acquisition problem?

1630
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:49,020
We'd have to purchase easements, is there a concern with having to do on the note domain

1631
02:21:49,020 --> 02:21:53,320
to acquire the land to do that, or what's been the challenge that's delayed this, because

1632
02:21:53,320 --> 02:21:57,000
they know that there are portions of the city where that's been the case. Is that the

1633
02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:02,200
case here? I'm listening very carefully to see if our public works director behind me is

1634
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:08,160
leaning towards the microphone. There you go. Exactly. That would be my guess. I have not done

1635
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:12,780
a property search to see where their property lines and the in the majority of these older

1636
02:22:12,780 --> 02:22:17,240
neighborhoods they go to the edge of the roadway or even sometimes even into the roadway.

1637
02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:23,720
So that point, yes, it'd be property acquisition to get the streets and drainage and everything like that to accommodate all that.

1638
02:22:24,140 --> 02:22:27,140
And now that he stepped up, I'll give my portion on the answers.

1639
02:22:27,820 --> 02:22:37,060
Well, those roadways typically, because this predates everyone in the, typically weren't developed with the idea that in the future,

1640
02:22:37,060 --> 02:22:42,400
Kerb gutter and sidewalk would be installed. In many cases, the city back then had what's called

1641
02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:47,140
the rural road standard where they made the conscious decision to leave Kerb gutter and sidewalk

1642
02:22:47,140 --> 02:22:54,480
out of the design. So retrofitting those always proves to be challenging with utility placement

1643
02:22:54,480 --> 02:23:00,520
and property lines. But I'm not specifically aware of how that decision was made, but for most

1644
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:05,720
of these subdivisions, it was a conscious design choice not to install it, not to preserve

1645
02:23:05,720 --> 02:23:12,300
that space in the future and with very few exceptions we haven't moved in to

1646
02:23:12,300 --> 02:23:15,480
to rectify that there's no more I don't have any more questions about a mirror

1647
02:23:15,480 --> 02:23:20,940
but I do share the residents concern from a safety standpoint for having that

1648
02:23:20,940 --> 02:23:26,920
public road go through the neighborhood without those improvements like I would

1649
02:23:26,920 --> 02:23:32,440
be concerned with having the level of traffic volume increase transitioning from

1650
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:37,860
would road to this public right away without the safety improvements of curb and gut her

1651
02:23:37,860 --> 02:23:43,880
inside of walk. And I think that in the long run eventually there's going to need to be that,

1652
02:23:43,880 --> 02:23:50,920
but that would require a relationship and a process with the public and the city to go into

1653
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:56,700
purchasing the right away to make that happen. So I just acknowledging that that's a challenge that

1654
02:23:56,700 --> 02:23:58,800
we would have to overcome at some point in the future.

1655
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:03,820
And it's not, I mean, as part of our strategic plan,

1656
02:24:04,020 --> 02:24:05,140
that's one of the things I've asked

1657
02:24:05,140 --> 02:24:07,640
is that we identify those areas of the cities

1658
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:11,120
that do not have curb and gutter, or not curb and gutter,

1659
02:24:11,300 --> 02:24:12,600
but have sidewalks.

1660
02:24:12,660 --> 02:24:16,340
Did determine whether we want to start spending money

1661
02:24:16,340 --> 02:24:18,000
to make those improvements or not?

1662
02:24:18,140 --> 02:24:21,060
I know there are some neighborhoods that would prefer not.

1663
02:24:21,540 --> 02:24:22,960
So we need to, exactly.

1664
02:24:23,500 --> 02:24:25,720
So we'll need to figure that out going forward.

1665
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:30,580
And it appeared that Councilmember Johnson, no, Councilmember Hayman, please.

1666
02:24:31,340 --> 02:24:32,040
Thank you, Mayor.

1667
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:36,400
So I myself don't have so many, so much as a lot of questions,

1668
02:24:36,860 --> 02:24:41,460
with all respect to fields don't I know they've been working on this now for a lot of time,

1669
02:24:41,460 --> 02:24:44,060
just over a year I believe they've been working on this.

1670
02:24:44,220 --> 02:24:49,300
My main concern is with the project in general and the fit into the existing neighborhood.

1671
02:24:49,900 --> 02:24:53,040
It just doesn't fit, of course, we've seen that from the residents.

1672
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:59,580
This doesn't fit. What I'd love to see myself is just across the street. We have a great example.

1673
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:27,440
Of half-acre lots, the developed out beautifully right on redwood road. And I would love to see that. If not half-acre, I know third acre, or quarter acre, I know you can still make great money doing quarter acres there. I ran through a bunch of the numbers with the developer myself on what we could do there. And found to be very profitable, even with the expense of land right now. But I would love to see something that matches the existing.

1674
02:25:30,220 --> 02:25:31,540
I'd love to see half acre.

1675
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:34,320
I'd like to see that there, maybe third.

1676
02:25:35,080 --> 02:25:36,060
I think it'd be a great development.

1677
02:25:36,380 --> 02:25:37,580
I know south of it.

1678
02:25:37,740 --> 02:25:39,280
They're looking for larger lots as well.

1679
02:25:39,940 --> 02:25:43,540
And it could become a beautiful new neighborhood there,

1680
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:45,280
that matches as much as existing.

1681
02:25:45,400 --> 02:25:51,220
Versus trying to shoehorn in is something that

1682
02:25:51,220 --> 02:25:52,460
yeah, it looks like Dave Raker.

1683
02:25:52,600 --> 02:25:55,880
I call it communist break, but that's my own state.

1684
02:25:57,420 --> 02:25:58,460
KELTSA membersmith.

1685
02:25:59,060 --> 02:26:00,280
Thank you, Mayor.

1686
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:01,860
No clapping.

1687
02:26:03,420 --> 02:26:04,340
Mr. Kennedy.

1688
02:26:04,780 --> 02:26:05,620
Nope, you're not this kid.

1689
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:07,120
I apologize, but no clapping.

1690
02:26:07,880 --> 02:26:09,940
I just wanted to question Jason.

1691
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:12,100
Let's see what was my question.

1692
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:14,180
Most of the areas around there are,

1693
02:26:14,380 --> 02:26:15,040
Arves on Hapaker.

1694
02:26:15,180 --> 02:26:15,740
Is that correct?

1695
02:26:16,060 --> 02:26:18,100
That looks yellow on my map to me?

1696
02:26:18,300 --> 02:26:18,640
Yes.

1697
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:19,140
Okay.

1698
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:20,160
That was my one question.

1699
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:22,240
We talked earlier in the works session.

1700
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:25,660
Oh, thank you for saying that.

1701
02:26:26,440 --> 02:26:34,260
my family will be surprised. Okay, so what I had asked was most of the areas around it

1702
02:26:34,260 --> 02:26:39,940
zone half acre and he said yes. So currently earlier in our work session we were talking

1703
02:26:39,940 --> 02:26:45,740
about blended communities how you can kind of step down from R3 to R4 to R3 things like that.

1704
02:26:46,420 --> 02:26:55,160
To me, it doesn't seem, it's more of a larger step and I echo what Councilmember Hayman says

1705
02:26:55,160 --> 02:26:58,940
about maybe seeing if we can do something similar to that.

1706
02:26:59,440 --> 02:27:02,460
My other question would be to the applicant.

1707
02:27:03,260 --> 02:27:05,480
I think we asked for an RM6 map.

1708
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:07,220
Had did you draw that up?

1709
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:10,400
Would you have any examples of that?

1710
02:27:13,620 --> 02:27:15,940
I don't have an example of that to show you.

1711
02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:19,460
And that's only because we know that it doesn't work.

1712
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:26,040
It just doesn't pencil to put in the roads that the planning commission put in the road

1713
02:27:32,340 --> 02:27:34,880
So it doesn't work.

1714
02:27:35,000 --> 02:27:39,860
The properties better valued at a commercial use than it is in RM6.

1715
02:27:40,660 --> 02:27:49,400
And while we are requesting an RM8, we, with the conditions we're asking for in that it's single family detached only.

1716
02:27:49,960 --> 02:27:54,300
As you recall, I mean, like you said, we started this about a year ago, and it started with townhomes, right?

1717
02:27:54,300 --> 02:28:06,120
And it's been worked to this single-family detached, and the density is actually falling just a little bit over seven units per acre, not counting the public street improvements off the property, right?

1718
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:18,040
So we're falling between those two densities, but we do recognize they were asking for different lots of standards and a private drive, private road section, right?

1719
02:28:18,460 --> 02:28:19,880
So, you have questions about that?

1720
02:28:20,200 --> 02:28:26,000
So, you're saying it's not an R.M. is not a, it maps out to be more like an R.7, even though

1721
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:26,520
it's your answer.

1722
02:28:26,680 --> 02:28:27,880
Yeah, I mean, that doesn't exist.

1723
02:28:28,140 --> 02:28:31,040
So, the development agreement is what handles that.

1724
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:36,040
And Jason could speak to that too, but the development agreement sets those standards and

1725
02:28:36,040 --> 02:28:38,580
sets that, like you said, 31 lots of max.

1726
02:28:39,400 --> 02:28:40,620
And for some reason, we have a problem.

1727
02:28:40,760 --> 02:28:43,080
We can't fit it, then it becomes 30.

1728
02:28:43,180 --> 02:28:45,780
Or whatever it becomes right when you get to final engineering.

1729
02:28:46,300 --> 02:28:50,520
But yeah, so it's fixed by the development agreement to that density.

1730
02:28:50,780 --> 02:28:58,560
And am I right or am I wrong Jason when it comes to RM's an idea of an RM's seven that maybe the silos is similar to an RM's seven?

1731
02:28:58,860 --> 02:29:00,000
Or am I just making that out?

1732
02:29:00,180 --> 02:29:02,320
No, that's correct.

1733
02:29:03,100 --> 02:29:05,240
It's a little difficult to say because...

1734
02:29:05,240 --> 02:29:06,540
It's not an exact match.

1735
02:29:06,620 --> 02:29:07,740
It's not an exact match.

1736
02:29:07,820 --> 02:29:08,760
Just trying to visualize it.

1737
02:29:08,980 --> 02:29:09,980
Okay, that's all my questions.

1738
02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:10,760
Thank you.

1739
02:29:10,760 --> 02:29:11,000
Thank you.

1740
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:12,540
Thank you.

1741
02:29:12,540 --> 02:29:12,560
Yes.

1742
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:16,960
Yes, so I'll be voting no on this. I don't like the density

1743
02:29:19,140 --> 02:29:24,780
We've worked very hard and diligently whenever we have approved the 5,000 square foot lots

1744
02:29:25,300 --> 02:29:32,460
Our development agreements have also been incredibly robust in what will be built on those lots the types of homes and the styles

1745
02:29:33,500 --> 02:29:38,640
I am not advocating at all dropping down to a 3,000 square foot lot of zoning

1746
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:42,440
I don't like it and just don't think it belongs in our city

1747
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:48,240
a couple things all in and I want to be fair and communicate to everyone,

1748
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:51,760
all of these properties

1749
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:54,380
on Redwood Road to a degree are on the time clock.

1750
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:58,980
I'm going to be honest with you and I want the residents to be aware of that because there's

1751
02:29:58,980 --> 02:29:59,800
so many access.

1752
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:28,880
Point, the U.S. is going to grant. And if those access points are used by other parcels of property and Jason can correct me if I'm wrong, up and down U.S., I mean, up and down road road, then it will eventually force them to these roads when they were approved. The expectation was that they would connect to these vacant properties. So I just, I always like to be fair enough, front and honest, the residents understand the battle we're fighting. And so, to a degree, that's just something.

1753
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:33,540
you're mind around because eventually if we don't access the rugby road as

1754
02:30:33,540 --> 02:30:37,880
Councilman or Prutis talking about that traffic will be pushed into the

1755
02:30:37,880 --> 02:30:44,840
interior streets because we can't control what they do. This is a perfect

1756
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:51,320
example to me is why I want Sunset Laws. When we approve this so again to be

1757
02:30:51,320 --> 02:30:54,400
straight off the developer I do not consider this a commercial zone and I will

1758
02:30:54,400 --> 02:30:58,400
do everything I can in the master plan to take it out of commercial zone when

1759
02:30:58,400 --> 02:31:02,440
it achieved a commercial zoning, it was for a specific purpose.

1760
02:31:03,260 --> 02:31:07,920
And because that purpose was not met, doesn't mean that the commercial zoning should

1761
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:08,480
stay in place.

1762
02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:14,040
If we approve a specific need and that need doesn't take place, it's not fair to the residents

1763
02:31:14,040 --> 02:31:17,880
who expected, hey, we were fine with that commercial zoning because we thought this would

1764
02:31:17,880 --> 02:31:18,820
be what we were going to get.

1765
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:22,960
To have it now go something else, I think it's a bit disingenuous.

1766
02:31:23,260 --> 02:31:28,040
And so that's why I'm a big fan of sunset laws counsel because we don't have these things

1767
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:34,580
over from 10, 15, 20 years ago approvals, this suddenly today, people are operating on in their decision-making.

1768
02:31:36,680 --> 02:31:41,060
And so, yeah, just for me, it's two dance, and if we're going to go dance,

1769
02:31:41,260 --> 02:31:43,560
I'm going to a very robust development agreement.

1770
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,040
I don't like generalities.

1771
02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:47,160
I've been very clear on that.

1772
02:31:47,480 --> 02:31:50,140
Another fairer to our city, where I think that's burned us.

1773
02:31:51,300 --> 02:31:52,180
Councilmember Johnson.

1774
02:31:53,660 --> 02:31:54,120
Yeah, thanks, Mayor.

1775
02:31:54,120 --> 02:31:59,100
I think I'll probably be one of the more minority voice in this argument and that's okay.

1776
02:31:59,880 --> 02:32:04,400
I think it's worth mentioning as I do believe the Timberline folks have had a lot of concessions,

1777
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:09,020
especially when we were just talking about parking and talking about the type of access.

1778
02:32:09,880 --> 02:32:14,800
In previous council meetings, I've mentioned that this is an opportunity to build nice single family homes.

1779
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:19,040
I know the density is uncomfortable, I understand it.

1780
02:32:19,060 --> 02:32:22,120
I also know that condos and town homes would be even more uncomfortable.

1781
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:29,280
I truly believe that, and I see this as an opportunity for Utahns to purchase single-family

1782
02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:35,300
homes. I think we have to understand the more we fight this, the more opportunities where

1783
02:32:35,300 --> 02:32:40,120
people are pushing people out of the American dream. I think it's the American dream is the

1784
02:32:40,120 --> 02:32:44,560
pursuit of home ownership. And I think I can talk about it. I'm a seven-generation Riverton resident.

1785
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:50,500
I'll never be able to afford most of the houses in our city, which is okay. But I think my kids

1786
02:32:50,500 --> 02:32:53,400
and most of my generation will never be able to afford a house.

1787
02:32:53,540 --> 02:32:55,620
I think if you own a house, you plant your roots.

1788
02:32:56,020 --> 02:32:57,100
You care about your community.

1789
02:32:57,280 --> 02:33:01,160
You're not just renting to be in a cheap house and then move on to somewhere else.

1790
02:33:01,180 --> 02:33:02,420
You're being part of the community.

1791
02:33:03,160 --> 02:33:05,520
So again, I agree with Councilman McDougall.

1792
02:33:05,620 --> 02:33:10,820
I think this is an idea where sunset was, where we have a framework

1793
02:33:10,820 --> 02:33:12,700
of what our general plan actually looks like.

1794
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:14,360
So it's not this patchwork plan.

1795
02:33:14,820 --> 02:33:17,140
And we actually decide what we want Redwood Road to look like

1796
02:33:17,140 --> 02:33:18,140
for the future of our city.

1797
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:25,120
Thank you very much. Councilmember Poverty and then hopefully we can have somebody make a motion.

1798
02:33:26,060 --> 02:33:30,700
Yeah, I miss been a lot of my time previously asking questions since I just thought I'd share a few thoughts.

1799
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:34,800
I've already laid out how I like to go about with resumes is looking at consistent use.

1800
02:33:35,340 --> 02:33:37,620
This isn't consistent with the neighboring property.

1801
02:33:38,720 --> 02:33:40,580
Oh, that's my fault, I believe.

1802
02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:43,960
I'm eating it a little more. Okay.

1803
02:33:43,960 --> 02:33:48,100
We don't usually have all the way to the back.

1804
02:33:50,460 --> 02:33:59,460
But to count some of our McDougall's point, the existing zoning here is not going to be the long-term future for this property.

1805
02:34:00,420 --> 02:34:08,520
Nor is a state density for this undeveloped plan because of the way that it's shaped.

1806
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:14,240
And the road requirements that we have for that level of zoning as well.

1807
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:17,960
And because of the U.Control of Redwood Road.

1808
02:34:18,840 --> 02:34:24,700
If you look at the layout here, it's just not going to be feasible to put half-acre lots.

1809
02:34:25,420 --> 02:34:28,060
Because you can't put enough half-acre lots facing Redwood Road.

1810
02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:32,500
And then you have to expand 1775 West and expand 1350.

1811
02:34:32,500 --> 02:34:35,560
There's one, 35, 55, 50 South.

1812
02:34:35,700 --> 02:34:37,140
Gosh, I hate our numbers sometimes.

1813
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:42,580
And the feasibility of doing that is just not there.

1814
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:44,900
And so to Councilmember McDougall's point,

1815
02:34:45,380 --> 02:34:47,440
we as a community need to figure out

1816
02:34:47,440 --> 02:34:49,640
what work comfortable with on Redwood Road.

1817
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:52,300
Up to this point, other neighborhoods on Redwood Road

1818
02:34:52,300 --> 02:34:57,320
have said that happy median is a buffer of RM6

1819
02:34:57,320 --> 02:34:58,640
on Redwood Road.

1820
02:34:58,640 --> 02:34:59,980
They create a buffer for...

1821
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:08,920
The community's further in off of redwood road. That's what we've seen within the last few years of approvals.

1822
02:35:09,320 --> 02:35:13,560
And so I just encourage the neighborhood to think about that.

1823
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:18,020
And I always say, I really want to mention that in your comments that that's what the Planning Commission recommended.

1824
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:27,520
I recognize the applicant says that that may not be feasible from their businesses perspective, but some others have made it feasible.

1825
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:34,300
So for me, it's I agree that we need to have more housing and I've been very supportive of most

1826
02:35:34,300 --> 02:35:35,580
reason applications.

1827
02:35:35,580 --> 02:35:39,820
I appreciate the concessions that have been made to get this to more parking.

1828
02:35:41,140 --> 02:35:46,360
I am honestly concerned that if this becomes NARM 6, there's still not going to be enough parking.

1829
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:48,940
And you're still going to see an impact in your neighborhoods.

1830
02:35:51,880 --> 02:35:56,980
And that's that's that's reality that I think we're going to have to be dealing with is how how this is going to grow in the long term.

1831
02:35:56,980 --> 02:36:04,880
But I also don't think that we have to make every single decision tonight or whenever an application is approved.

1832
02:36:05,380 --> 02:36:12,780
In this development process, we take what's before us and have overarching general plans to prepare for the future.

1833
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:16,680
As was stated by staff, we don't know what's going to happen with the land south of here.

1834
02:36:17,620 --> 02:36:23,360
It may never be sold or it may never be developed. It will likely be sold. I recognize that it's not likely.

1835
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:28,740
but we don't know, and we can't make decisions fully based upon unknowns.

1836
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:33,100
Likewise, this is a balancing act, guys.

1837
02:36:33,220 --> 02:36:34,760
I mean, we don't own this land.

1838
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:38,920
We own our own personal land, but we don't own every single piece of property.

1839
02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:42,220
And we have, as a community, to give, do some give and take.

1840
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:52,120
And it's a tricky balance, balancing personal property rights of the owners that are applying for changes versus the personal property rights of existing owners in surrounding communities.

1841
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:59,700
And so just I want to throw that out there that that's something that we're trying to balance and it's it. We're not perfect at it, but it's something we grapple with.

1842
02:36:59,900 --> 02:37:01,980
Mayor, if I could.

1843
02:37:02,460 --> 02:37:08,100
As I indicated earlier, the planning commissions recommended motion because it.

1844
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:16,520
Proceeded you dot decision that language does not work. I prepared an alternative motion based on the proposal by the applicant. I very quickly.

1845
02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:23,320
If and only if the Council were wanting to move forward with the RM-6, it made some modifications

1846
02:37:23,320 --> 02:37:28,920
to create an alternative motion number two, which would resume the property to RM-6, set

1847
02:37:28,920 --> 02:37:30,800
lot, size, and setbacks at RM-6.

1848
02:37:31,300 --> 02:37:36,440
The remaining issues would need to be addressed regardless of the density, meaning the gate.

1849
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:46,500
The connection is required by U-DOT and then perimeter fencing and modifications to the

1850
02:37:46,500 --> 02:37:54,460
to make a motion for RM6. This would address the issues there. And with the motion of that type,

1851
02:37:55,200 --> 02:38:00,360
the form of this would remain the same, meaning the access would still be off of this point of

1852
02:38:00,360 --> 02:38:07,560
Redwood Road with a gated access point on 1775. But I did just quickly put that together for the council's

1853
02:38:07,560 --> 02:38:13,860
convenience if needed. Okay, I think we've had plenty of discussion. I think the rest is very

1854
02:38:13,860 --> 02:38:18,640
for coming in for your thoughtful feedback and comments and I'm

1855
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:21,820
looking for a council member to make a motion of some sort.

1856
02:38:24,180 --> 02:38:27,700
And if someone will just direct me to which motion you'd like on the screen, I'm happy to.

1857
02:38:28,920 --> 02:38:30,200
Okay, council member Hayman.

1858
02:38:31,060 --> 02:38:32,420
Thank you, Mayor.

1859
02:38:33,140 --> 02:38:38,040
Mayor as we've seen tonight, there's a definite push back against what has been proposed here.

1860
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:48,140
And so I'm going to make a motion to nigh the ordinance number 26-06 and get something new down the road.

1861
02:38:48,360 --> 02:38:49,540
So my motion is to deny.

1862
02:38:51,380 --> 02:38:56,260
Okay, we have a motion to deny in a second, so we'll take a roll call vote.

1863
02:38:59,740 --> 02:39:01,140
Count some members Smith.

1864
02:39:03,250 --> 02:39:04,290
We're to deny, right?

1865
02:39:04,970 --> 02:39:05,230
Yes.

1866
02:39:06,490 --> 02:39:07,050
McDougle.

1867
02:39:08,110 --> 02:39:08,610
Roachie?

1868
02:39:09,050 --> 02:39:09,190
Yes.

1869
02:39:09,890 --> 02:39:10,270
Jopson?

1870
02:39:10,570 --> 02:39:10,930
No.

1871
02:39:11,790 --> 02:39:12,570
Hey, man.

1872
02:39:13,690 --> 02:39:13,950
Yes.

1873
02:39:14,570 --> 02:39:15,410
Thank you, sir.

1874
02:39:16,210 --> 02:39:16,470
Okay.

1875
02:39:16,570 --> 02:39:20,890
That motion does not pass and ordinance number 26-06.

1876
02:39:21,410 --> 02:39:22,230
The motion passes.

1877
02:39:22,470 --> 02:39:23,430
The motion passes.

1878
02:39:23,450 --> 02:39:24,330
The project was denied.

1879
02:39:24,330 --> 02:39:24,850
Thank you.

1880
02:39:24,970 --> 02:39:26,190
The application was denied.

1881
02:39:26,690 --> 02:39:27,050
Okay.

1882
02:39:27,390 --> 02:39:28,390
Very good.

1883
02:39:28,690 --> 02:39:29,630
Does not pass.

1884
02:39:30,010 --> 02:39:31,450
Thank you all very much.

1885
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:34,930
We'll move to ordinance number 26-16.

1886
02:39:41,610 --> 02:39:41,990
Sorry.

1887
02:39:42,050 --> 02:39:43,630
I didn't know if you'd turn the time over to me.

1888
02:39:44,130 --> 02:39:45,310
No, I'm going to wait just a minute.

1889
02:39:45,310 --> 02:39:48,630
I'm assuming some races would like to

1890
02:39:49,980 --> 02:39:53,120
don't have to, you're welcome to stay for the second one, absolutely.

1891
02:40:12,620 --> 02:40:18,920
Well, I apologize to you, I didn't see your card, you know, he doesn't need me, what I'm going to do. You're afraid.

1892
02:40:20,820 --> 02:40:27,220
I apologize. I think I took your card and laid it out. I apologize. Do

1893
02:40:52,950 --> 02:40:54,410
you

1894
02:40:59,600 --> 02:41:01,060
want to stay and make your comment?

1895
02:41:01,580 --> 02:41:04,340
I'm certain that I'm going to take your attention for you, because it's my fault.

1896
02:41:08,520 --> 02:41:34,880
That's fine. I deserve it. Yes, sir. I'm saying that was driving. I usually use my, I don't like to spend. I know. I know it's not just me. I don't like to have a car because he's being here in my in-laws. No, I'm so excited. So I just fit in my house. You know that's a poison. That's okay. But he's like driving a work truck.

1897
02:41:35,620 --> 02:41:39,580
Unless you get 70% of our $165 to 80% rate, let's take a turn.

1898
02:41:40,280 --> 02:41:41,540
And let's delay two parodly.

1899
02:41:43,700 --> 02:41:45,140
So sorry about that.

1900
02:41:49,360 --> 02:41:52,540
Your contacts are working well, look, I got you four.

1901
02:41:53,980 --> 02:41:54,920
I wanted to, I know.

1902
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:57,580
I was trying to take you but I know there was a different number.

1903
02:41:57,860 --> 02:41:58,960
But I was just saying, hi.

1904
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:00,280
Congratulations, Wendy.

1905
02:42:00,540 --> 02:42:02,320
I gave you your number a while ago.

1906
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:11,380
Let's see if we can pull this meeting back together and let's move on to ordinance number 26-16.

1907
02:42:11,900 --> 02:42:13,800
Majestic homes rezone.

1908
02:42:15,180 --> 02:42:17,400
We will once again go with the order we did before.

1909
02:42:17,720 --> 02:42:23,000
Mr. Lethbridge then we'll have the developer and then we'll move to public comments.

1910
02:42:27,350 --> 02:42:29,030
I suppose we'll wait for a quorum.

1911
02:42:29,390 --> 02:42:29,930
We do not.

1912
02:42:29,930 --> 02:42:31,910
Well, okay.

1913
02:42:32,050 --> 02:42:32,510
Good call.

1914
02:42:32,670 --> 02:42:33,930
Carry on.

1915
02:43:04,390 --> 02:43:05,550
Councilmember Perruti.

1916
02:43:09,350 --> 02:43:10,830
Thank you.

1917
02:43:11,410 --> 02:43:11,870
All right.

1918
02:43:12,430 --> 02:43:13,510
Let's move on.

1919
02:43:13,670 --> 02:43:15,690
Horton is number 26-16.

1920
02:43:16,130 --> 02:43:17,210
Mr. Lethbridge, please.

1921
02:43:17,930 --> 02:43:21,290
This application was heard previously by the city council.

1922
02:43:29,230 --> 02:43:31,110
This was heard previously by the council.

1923
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:32,910
It was tabled in that previous meeting.

1924
02:43:33,310 --> 02:43:37,070
So I will just quickly go through the information on the property.

1925
02:43:37,070 --> 02:43:43,690
It is located, and this is looking south on Redwood Road at 135-50 south and Redwood Road.

1926
02:43:43,810 --> 02:43:47,390
It is 3.1, I'm sorry, 131-50.

1927
02:43:47,630 --> 02:43:49,030
I'm going back to the previous application.

1928
02:43:49,710 --> 02:43:51,150
Sorry, 131-50.

1929
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:53,350
Just over three acres of ground.

1930
02:43:53,430 --> 02:43:54,870
You can see it's not quite rectangular.

1931
02:43:55,070 --> 02:43:59,290
There's two homes that you can see that aren't part of that outland area that are not part of the project area.

1932
02:43:59,290 --> 02:44:01,470
And it does extend back to 1830 West.

1933
02:44:02,150 --> 02:44:05,730
The general plan for the property is medium density residential.

1934
02:44:05,730 --> 02:44:10,850
So this application is to amend both the general plan and the zoning for the property.

1935
02:44:11,690 --> 02:44:19,050
Oddly similar to the previous application, the current zoning is a mix of commercial neighborhood and our 22.

1936
02:44:20,510 --> 02:44:30,610
Similarly that commercial neighborhood designation was put in place quite some time ago in response to an application to the then owner of the Barrett's blossoms, which was on the east side of the road.

1937
02:44:30,610 --> 02:44:36,610
his intent was to move that over if that was why the zoning is put in place they did not follow through with that.

1938
02:44:37,330 --> 02:44:38,390
I'm going to skip through that.

1939
02:44:38,810 --> 02:44:46,130
The application is for RM14, but as we have discussed previously that is because they are looking at

1940
02:44:46,130 --> 02:44:48,410
a density between 9 and 10 units per acre.

1941
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:53,790
We do not have a zone that accommodates that directly so they're asking for.

1942
02:44:53,810 --> 02:44:56,130
The applicant is asking for the RM14 zone.

1943
02:44:56,350 --> 02:44:57,950
I'll show the numbers in just a sec.

1944
02:44:58,210 --> 02:44:59,950
I'm going to very quickly go through iterate.

1945
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:22,360
So, the original concept plan was for predominantly five plexus with some three plexus attached units based on conversations and feedback from the planning commission in council that was modified and then modified a final time for what is being presented for approval by the applicant which is twin homes and I'm going to zoom in here.

1946
02:45:22,360 --> 02:45:31,440
So, while the zone would be RM-14, the density and unit count that is being requested

1947
02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:41,000
is, as you see, summarized there, this design is 30 units on that 3.1 for acres is 9.5 units per acre.

1948
02:45:42,180 --> 02:45:48,300
As with the previous application, but in a more simplified form, if the council were to approve this,

1949
02:45:48,300 --> 02:45:51,740
It would be with those stipulations of 30 units.

1950
02:45:52,420 --> 02:45:54,820
So whether the applicant or any future developer

1951
02:45:55,420 --> 02:45:57,400
developed, it would be done so with that.

1952
02:45:57,500 --> 02:46:02,040
That is true of any form of zone or zoning that would be put

1953
02:46:02,040 --> 02:46:02,380
on this.

1954
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:06,080
It would run with the land, not with the applicant themselves.

1955
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:09,580
And I'll let the applicant speak to these.

1956
02:46:09,620 --> 02:46:12,380
These are some images that he asked to be displayed tonight.

1957
02:46:12,760 --> 02:46:16,200
The planning commission forwarded this with an application

1958
02:46:16,200 --> 02:46:23,020
to deny, which would leave the zoning at R-22 and C-N, a sample motion for the Council's

1959
02:46:23,020 --> 02:46:25,440
convenience if necessary is prepared.

1960
02:46:26,020 --> 02:46:33,220
It does stipulate, as I indicated, that while the zoning is R-14 SD, those SD designations

1961
02:46:33,220 --> 02:46:39,840
would limit it to the 30 units as proposed, asphalt width of 27 feet, things of that

1962
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:40,120
nature.

1963
02:46:40,260 --> 02:46:45,380
The Council can certainly modify these numbers or conditions as necessary, but again, the

1964
02:46:45,380 --> 02:46:47,420
and commission's recommendation was for denial.

1965
02:46:50,150 --> 02:46:51,370
Thank you very much.

1966
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:53,010
The developer, please.

1967
02:46:56,630 --> 02:46:57,690
Thank you, Mr. Guest.

1968
02:47:04,140 --> 02:47:04,920
I'm Kevin Guest.

1969
02:47:05,240 --> 02:47:05,560
Mr. Guest.

1970
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:06,240
David Larson.

1971
02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:07,820
Thanks, Mayor and Council.

1972
02:47:08,460 --> 02:47:09,100
Men and women.

1973
02:47:09,700 --> 02:47:10,940
Nice to see you all again.

1974
02:47:11,960 --> 02:47:14,900
Well, we've come before you today with another iteration.

1975
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:19,280
And we've talked with many, many people.

1976
02:47:19,440 --> 02:47:20,520
We've actually even had our neighbors.

1977
02:47:21,540 --> 02:47:24,040
And some of them don't even care for this.

1978
02:47:24,040 --> 02:47:29,080
I guess most of them didn't even care for this iteration as far as what we presented.

1979
02:47:29,740 --> 02:47:34,620
We have spent some time driving around Riverton to see where some twin homes have been built

1980
02:47:34,620 --> 02:47:38,780
in the city and that was the pictures that we showed you earlier.

1981
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:46,980
The thing that we really want to highlight here is this one on the left is on 118th and

1982
02:47:46,980 --> 02:47:54,280
just not the 36. The one on the right is in the business. And the one below you is directly

1983
02:47:54,280 --> 02:48:01,480
behind the sinclair. They have a good look. They have a good, you know, these are all low-level

1984
02:48:01,480 --> 02:48:02,400
type properties.

1985
02:48:04,740 --> 02:48:10,220
It keeps, you know, it keeps kind of a common Ramler per se look with lots of

1986
02:48:10,220 --> 02:48:14,900
landscape and green space around it. One thing that, if I can help Jason, one thing that wasn't

1987
02:48:14,900 --> 02:48:25,440
said our project remained about 42% green space, I believe, with this new concept. So it's

1988
02:48:25,440 --> 02:48:30,460
very open. There's a lot of open space, a lot of green, a lot of trees, and those

1989
02:48:30,460 --> 02:48:35,280
things which, now this is our point of view and please if we offend somebody, we don't

1990
02:48:35,280 --> 02:48:41,600
mean to. We really think this could clean up this area and give it a whole new look and

1991
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:49,980
generate and rejuvenate this particular area, as well as put some really nice buildings

1992
02:48:49,980 --> 02:48:57,760
in homes for people that would want to move into the river to an area. As far as Jason mentioned,

1993
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:04,180
we've gone down from many units to these units with the understanding that we've tried to meet

1994
02:49:04,180 --> 02:49:10,260
the river to encode the whole way through. As far as density, as far as what the density would

1995
02:49:10,260 --> 02:49:20,300
for road sizes. Parking spaces, a little park, extra parking, driveway, lengths, and a wide garage

1996
02:49:20,300 --> 02:49:23,760
that was recommended by Councilman Hamon.

1997
02:49:25,780 --> 02:49:29,340
So we're hopeful. We think it's a really nice product.

1998
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:36,680
We're hoping, you know, your eyes can look at it and see what we've seen it and the time we

1999
02:49:36,680 --> 02:49:45,780
on it, but I really have only one suggestion. In our meeting with the neighbors, there was

2000
02:49:45,780 --> 02:49:53,940
a lot of talk about the RM6. And quite frankly, we don't look at RM6 or this, as the

2001
02:49:53,940 --> 02:49:59,820
density we look at what fits and how it functions and how it works. This really performs

2002
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:09,760
Well, with traffic, with the access is in and out, and the livability, it's really, it works with this

2003
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:16,800
type of housing product. Understanding that there's, you know, there's not this particular zoning

2004
02:50:17,460 --> 02:50:29,980
within this particular area, but it's not far from the town center, and there's other

2005
02:50:30,980 --> 02:50:36,100
We appreciate your time and your considerations and the conversations that we've had with

2006
02:50:36,100 --> 02:50:36,640
you all.

2007
02:50:37,360 --> 02:50:39,020
And honestly, we appreciate our neighbor meeting.

2008
02:50:40,400 --> 02:50:43,600
There was a lot of questions answered that night, a lot of concerns.

2009
02:50:45,180 --> 02:50:47,840
We hope to address even more tonight.

2010
02:50:48,900 --> 02:50:56,180
But we also have an open mind to what our neighbors and our residents in the area,

2011
02:50:57,040 --> 02:50:59,740
you know, have their concerns as well, Dave.

2012
02:51:01,400 --> 02:51:03,940
Yeah, I appreciate you guys listen to us again.

2013
02:51:04,380 --> 02:51:06,960
And I do appreciate the time we got to spend with the neighbors

2014
02:51:06,960 --> 02:51:08,140
and hear what they had to say.

2015
02:51:08,600 --> 02:51:11,200
And just so they know that, you know, they've seen this.

2016
02:51:13,640 --> 02:51:16,580
You know, and so just so they know that this is what you guys

2017
02:51:16,580 --> 02:51:18,920
had seen prior to, we can change anything

2018
02:51:19,460 --> 02:51:23,340
because this is already, I think, approved to be set to this date.

2019
02:51:23,340 --> 02:51:26,220
So we're just sticking with this.

2020
02:51:26,380 --> 02:51:29,360
We do think it works great as far as the internet outs.

2021
02:51:29,580 --> 02:51:32,100
I know that a lot of concern was as traffic,

2022
02:51:34,160 --> 02:51:34,800
extra parking.

2023
02:51:35,180 --> 02:51:38,180
They do all have two car garages,

2024
02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:43,180
extra parking spaces.

2025
02:51:44,380 --> 02:51:47,380
One concern was, which I totally understand,

2026
02:51:47,480 --> 02:51:52,660
going out on 1830, drain school time.

2027
02:51:52,660 --> 02:51:54,020
That's always been a nightmare.

2028
02:51:54,120 --> 02:51:56,320
That's from my kids went to school and it was a nightmare.

2029
02:51:57,660 --> 02:52:01,220
But I think with the options they have here,

2030
02:52:01,900 --> 02:52:05,440
I don't think most people are going to go down that way

2031
02:52:05,440 --> 02:52:09,040
and turn and go if they're leaving at that time

2032
02:52:09,040 --> 02:52:13,140
that schools coming, I don't think they're going to,

2033
02:52:13,260 --> 02:52:15,020
either whether they're coming to school or leaving,

2034
02:52:15,560 --> 02:52:17,320
that they're going to go out and turn and go south.

2035
02:52:17,960 --> 02:52:21,180
I think they're going to go one of the two or three other options

2036
02:52:21,180 --> 02:52:25,860
they could go out, they could go out that road and turn north or they could go out, you

2037
02:52:25,860 --> 02:52:33,760
know, on to 1, 3, 1, and 50, and then go either back to the western or back to Redwood

2038
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:34,060
Road.

2039
02:52:35,180 --> 02:52:42,320
So, there's several options for that, so I don't, I don't, I wouldn't want to be caught up in that,

2040
02:52:42,320 --> 02:52:48,100
in that parking, you know, mess with the school how it is, because I know how it is.

2041
02:52:48,100 --> 02:52:57,660
And that was a good concern and we care about the kids and the well-being of them as well and want to make sure they're safe as possible.

2042
02:52:59,340 --> 02:53:04,560
But anyway, just so the people that are here that we're in that meeting understand that this is what we had submitted.

2043
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:11,100
And so this is kind of what we had to go by and we'll go from there.

2044
02:53:12,520 --> 02:53:16,000
Thank you both very much for being here for your comments.

2045
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:22,020
Okay, we will open the public comment portion of this meeting and we'll first hear from Ashley

2046
02:53:22,020 --> 02:53:28,520
Mobley and I had some expectation that she may be able to speak for several of you and so if that's true

2047
02:53:28,520 --> 02:53:32,400
that would that would be excellent and just let us know. Ashley.

2048
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:36,980
Mayor would you like me to allocate additional time?

2049
02:53:37,580 --> 02:53:37,600
There?

2050
02:53:38,280 --> 02:53:39,840
Are you speaking for a group?

2051
02:53:40,380 --> 02:53:42,740
Well I'm not sure because I'm not right.

2052
02:53:43,180 --> 02:53:44,900
I'm not sure either because I'm confused.

2053
02:53:44,900 --> 02:53:51,180
I feel like we weren't at the same meeting last week, so I'll say what I have to say three minutes.

2054
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:52,040
Thank you.

2055
02:53:52,460 --> 02:53:55,880
So I'm just baffled to be really honest.

2056
02:53:56,060 --> 02:53:57,260
We had a meeting on the 26th.

2057
02:53:57,320 --> 02:53:58,700
We had about 34 people show up.

2058
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:00,060
I feel like we had a really good turnout.

2059
02:54:00,180 --> 02:54:00,920
Spencer was there.

2060
02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:01,640
Jason was there.

2061
02:54:01,960 --> 02:54:05,280
And I want to thank Kevin and Dave for being willing to meet with us.

2062
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:07,720
It took us a minute to get there, but we got there.

2063
02:54:07,940 --> 02:54:10,340
I guess I'm just frustrated because the original plan,

2064
02:54:10,600 --> 02:54:14,880
if I'm remembering, was 38 houses and there's only 8 taken away from this.

2065
02:54:14,880 --> 02:54:21,640
We were very, from what I gleaned from the meeting and talking to my neighbors.

2066
02:54:22,060 --> 02:54:27,400
People are wanting the RM6 single-family homes, not the twin homes.

2067
02:54:27,960 --> 02:54:31,220
They feel like they want a single-family home in this area.

2068
02:54:31,900 --> 02:54:34,000
A lot of the concerns were brought up to be honest.

2069
02:54:34,120 --> 02:54:36,240
It's just feels like the meeting.

2070
02:54:36,520 --> 02:54:38,540
I mean, it's fine to have the meeting and be hurt.

2071
02:54:38,900 --> 02:54:40,020
There's no problem with that.

2072
02:54:40,040 --> 02:54:43,780
And listening to people's concerns, but I left the meeting feeling hopeful.

2073
02:54:43,780 --> 02:54:47,680
And I just feel like quite frankly, we're back to square one with this whole thing.

2074
02:54:48,060 --> 02:54:52,640
I've spoken with every person on this council individually and voiced my concerns.

2075
02:54:54,680 --> 02:54:59,900
And if it stands where the conversations were, then it was going to be voted down, that's up to you.

2076
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:07,320
Tonight, I understand minds can change with information. I'm just a little frustrated, I guess. I, again, I appreciate having the

2077
02:55:07,320 --> 02:55:12,380
neighbor meeting in the time. I feel like it's important to do those things with the developers. I feel like it gets

2078
02:55:12,380 --> 02:55:18,060
frustrated as you concerns out. I just don't even feel like we made any headway now, based on what

2079
02:55:18,060 --> 02:55:23,640
it's presented here tonight. So I would ask for this to be denied. I was hoping to come and have some kind

2080
02:55:23,640 --> 02:55:24,900
of compromise.

2081
02:55:25,280 --> 02:55:28,360
I don't love the idea of even RM6 to be really honest.

2082
02:55:28,480 --> 02:55:29,800
I do think we need progress.

2083
02:55:30,440 --> 02:55:31,540
I'm kind of with Spencer.

2084
02:55:31,720 --> 02:55:34,260
I don't think there's any reason why these couldn't be

2085
02:55:34,260 --> 02:55:35,020
quarter acres.

2086
02:55:35,660 --> 02:55:37,120
There's no reason at all.

2087
02:55:37,740 --> 02:55:39,700
I'm not going to get into all of the financial,

2088
02:55:40,020 --> 02:55:40,660
all of that.

2089
02:55:40,660 --> 02:55:41,820
It doesn't matter right now.

2090
02:55:42,340 --> 02:55:44,560
But the compromise, I feel like all the neighbors

2091
02:55:44,560 --> 02:55:48,280
were willing to do RM6 and feel like that would be a great

2092
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:48,780
addition.

2093
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:50,460
I do think this needs to be developed.

2094
02:55:50,600 --> 02:55:52,800
I think it could be, they build beautiful homes.

2095
02:55:53,700 --> 02:55:57,160
but I feel like RM6 would be that compromise.

2096
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:01,120
So I would ask for it to be not even table but denied tonight.

2097
02:56:01,720 --> 02:56:02,440
Thank you.

2098
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:03,620
Thank you.

2099
02:56:03,900 --> 02:56:04,120
Dave?

2100
02:56:04,380 --> 02:56:04,580
Hopefully.

2101
02:56:11,710 --> 02:56:12,990
Good evening Mayor Council.

2102
02:56:13,930 --> 02:56:19,150
Just like Ash said, I really appreciate Kevin and Dave having a meeting with us and talking through the plan.

2103
02:56:19,270 --> 02:56:21,130
I thought that was really great.

2104
02:56:21,130 --> 02:56:26,370
To echo what I said, I think the best use of this would obviously be in R6.

2105
02:56:26,490 --> 02:56:30,370
I don't really think the density needs to go much lower than that.

2106
02:56:31,210 --> 02:56:37,130
We have had good success talking with other developers and I think, you know, really this

2107
02:56:37,130 --> 02:56:45,570
should be denied and let the developer reapply as in R6 and go through that process and

2108
02:56:45,570 --> 02:56:46,350
get this done.

2109
02:56:46,350 --> 02:56:51,650
I know Kevin and Dave build beautiful home, so whatever they put there, I think would be great,

2110
02:56:52,110 --> 02:56:56,090
but making sure that this fits within the area, it dresses the concerns of the neighbors,

2111
02:56:56,190 --> 02:56:58,410
I think would go a long way.

2112
02:56:58,870 --> 02:57:01,330
So my request is that you tonight, this, thank you.

2113
02:57:01,470 --> 02:57:02,390
Awesome, thanks Dave.

2114
02:57:03,910 --> 02:57:05,790
Tana Hill, or Tana Hill.

2115
02:57:07,230 --> 02:57:07,710
Tana,

2116
02:57:12,500 --> 02:57:13,040
after who?

2117
02:57:18,460 --> 02:57:19,120
Brooke Hill.

2118
02:57:19,740 --> 02:57:20,520
Okay, thank you.

2119
02:57:26,250 --> 02:57:28,490
Thanks Council for listening to me tonight.

2120
02:57:28,490 --> 02:57:33,510
I am the Brook Hills on the corner that's been surrounded by this, this is a atrocity that

2121
02:57:33,510 --> 02:57:34,490
has got on the screen.

2122
02:57:36,130 --> 02:57:41,630
When I, before I bought my home, when I was searching the river to an area, I was looking

2123
02:57:41,630 --> 02:57:44,030
for why open space.

2124
02:57:44,510 --> 02:57:45,910
That's why I chose this area.

2125
02:57:46,890 --> 02:57:51,470
When I, before I bought my house, I was asked what's going to happen behind me.

2126
02:57:51,790 --> 02:57:55,810
I was told a house to either side and a flower shop on the road.

2127
02:57:55,810 --> 02:57:58,410
So that's not what this is.

2128
02:57:59,150 --> 02:58:01,290
I'm fine with the house, either side and the flower shop on the road.

2129
02:58:01,690 --> 02:58:02,810
I'm not fine with this.

2130
02:58:06,550 --> 02:58:08,510
I don't know, I mean, we look at the traffic flow.

2131
02:58:09,370 --> 02:58:11,030
Every vehicle that goes north down,

2132
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:12,810
will have to impact my house.

2133
02:58:13,510 --> 02:58:16,330
Every vehicle, you can't make a left turn on redwood.

2134
02:58:18,130 --> 02:58:21,170
This is not what is good for the area.

2135
02:58:21,350 --> 02:58:22,410
It doesn't fit the area.

2136
02:58:23,090 --> 02:58:25,610
My request would be to kick everything back to our 22.

2137
02:58:25,810 --> 02:58:28,030
That fits the area.

2138
02:58:29,950 --> 02:58:30,710
That's it.

2139
02:58:30,750 --> 02:58:31,010
Awesome.

2140
02:58:31,490 --> 02:58:32,310
Thank you.

2141
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:33,210
Ta-ta.

2142
02:58:34,670 --> 02:58:34,810
Okay.

2143
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:39,200
Dean Orkinton.

2144
02:58:45,020 --> 02:58:47,280
I would also add my voice.

2145
02:58:48,040 --> 02:58:50,560
And thank you for hearing us.

2146
02:58:51,080 --> 02:58:55,200
We came to the meeting last week, and we expected that the developers would give us

2147
02:58:55,200 --> 02:59:05,780
Some form of a drawing look so that it might look like an RM6 so that we could have some

2148
02:59:05,780 --> 02:59:06,140
idea.

2149
02:59:06,860 --> 02:59:14,920
When we talked about it, we expressed that we talked back and forth and we were told that

2150
02:59:14,920 --> 02:59:18,220
if we went RM6 we might get about 20 homes.

2151
02:59:19,040 --> 02:59:25,100
And even that's more than what we would like to have, but at least that would be single family

2152
02:59:25,100 --> 02:59:31,640
homes. It wouldn't be somebody else right in your wall. And you're not, you're not having

2153
02:59:31,640 --> 02:59:38,960
the argument that can go with that. I have a son who lives in a town home. He's got, it's

2154
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:44,640
either four or five. He has only the house itself. He doesn't have a property. He has nothing

2155
02:59:44,640 --> 02:59:51,500
because it's in our way. So he has no say over anything except what's inside. And he's got

2156
02:59:51,500 --> 02:59:58,780
three bedrooms, but what can he do? He can't have a family there and he's about to get married.

2157
03:00:00,370 --> 03:00:07,270
Ultimately, he's going to have to find a place. He'd love to be able to move back here, but he doesn't want to live in that kind of a place either.

2158
03:00:08,590 --> 03:00:16,170
We have a grave concern about the roads that lead out onto 1830 West, right there where the school is at.

2159
03:00:16,690 --> 03:00:28,570
It's not just that it's going back and forth there. When children are being picked up, the cars already are part of bumper to bumper, while they're waiting to get children.

2160
03:00:28,570 --> 03:00:32,270
It's not safe because it turns it into a one-lane road.

2161
03:00:33,070 --> 03:00:34,550
There's not enough space.

2162
03:00:35,910 --> 03:00:41,850
With 20 homes, you would still have at least 30 to 50 cars,

2163
03:00:42,710 --> 03:00:43,750
adding traffic.

2164
03:00:44,990 --> 03:00:47,730
As they have children, the children will grow.

2165
03:00:47,830 --> 03:00:48,570
You'll get teenagers.

2166
03:00:48,970 --> 03:00:50,910
You'll have somebody coming to visit.

2167
03:00:51,350 --> 03:00:55,870
It's not really a feasible way to keep our city

2168
03:00:55,870 --> 03:00:58,810
the rural place that we moved here for.

2169
03:00:59,110 --> 03:01:01,450
It doesn't fit what we moved here for.

2170
03:01:01,910 --> 03:01:04,510
And I would encourage you either, too,

2171
03:01:04,630 --> 03:01:07,610
as expressed, deny the application,

2172
03:01:08,350 --> 03:01:11,350
or if you are going to do something

2173
03:01:11,770 --> 03:01:13,610
no more than an RM6.

2174
03:01:13,770 --> 03:01:14,630
Thank you.

2175
03:01:20,320 --> 03:01:21,660
We'll hear from Louise Jones,

2176
03:01:21,940 --> 03:01:23,980
and she'll be followed by Travis Christensen.

2177
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:30,040
Hello.

2178
03:01:30,920 --> 03:01:32,760
So my name is Louise Jones,

2179
03:01:32,760 --> 03:01:47,660
And I personally think that well, my dad used to love driving on like a specific road because it always made him feel like you lived in the country.

2180
03:01:48,620 --> 03:01:54,940
In our last neighborhood, my mom would always complain because she woke up to like speeding cars and washing and stuff.

2181
03:01:54,940 --> 03:02:04,120
And then when we moved here, suddenly like there's horses and chickens and cats and dogs and it's really amazing.

2182
03:02:06,220 --> 03:02:11,100
I don't know if any of you have ever seen the movie, Liberty, Prulse, or Little Prince.

2183
03:02:11,720 --> 03:02:15,220
It's based off of a very famous children's book.

2184
03:02:16,600 --> 03:02:21,000
And in the movie, this little girl moves into a neighborhood with her mother.

2185
03:02:21,000 --> 03:02:49,000
But the neighborhood, all of the houses are black and white and every single one is identical for blocks and blocks and there are just cars going out long in a specific grid pattern and everything is going like boring and I don't want our town to be like that we love this town because of the happy feeling that comes along here without the

2186
03:02:49,000 --> 03:02:54,720
Like, Cityfield has a nice, really happy suburban community,

2187
03:02:57,100 --> 03:03:14,410
and please don't ruin it, and I think that having just little family homes where they can have their plot of land and feel like someone who's grown up.

2188
03:03:15,250 --> 03:03:22,610
I personally feel like every time that I go into something they always change it to try to

2189
03:03:22,610 --> 03:03:29,430
benefit everyone. But really I just want to be like my parents. And I feel like that might

2190
03:03:29,430 --> 03:03:33,590
be what our young people want as well. And so when they move here they want a house with

2191
03:03:33,590 --> 03:03:39,770
a little plot of land where they can garden. And if they can save up for it by a trampoline

2192
03:03:39,770 --> 03:03:48,210
and raise a family. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, next. Travis

2193
03:03:48,750 --> 03:03:55,630
Christianson and he will be followed by David Cuff. Thank you. So I just had two

2194
03:03:55,630 --> 03:03:59,610
two comments that I wanted to make tonight. As so one of them is, I

2195
03:03:59,610 --> 03:04:04,150
occurred to me as I was thinking about this development that we are currently

2196
03:04:04,150 --> 03:04:14,030
are our dash 2 to 2, which is the second lowest zoning in the city of Riverton. And we're

2197
03:04:14,030 --> 03:04:22,430
making a move to RM14, which is the second highest density in Riverton. And so we're skipping

2198
03:04:22,430 --> 03:04:28,930
over five different zones that are in between that. And just skip over those five zones and

2199
03:04:28,930 --> 03:04:37,490
jump straight to RM14. It seems like too big of a jump. And I think it's incompatible with

2200
03:04:37,490 --> 03:04:44,710
the surrounding areas. That's my first point. And my second point is one of the big drivers

2201
03:04:44,710 --> 03:04:50,190
for my family when we came to here, where they've just outside of this boundary, is the proximity

2202
03:04:50,190 --> 03:04:58,450
to the school. And I think the lack of sidewalks in this area, that's a little bit concerned to

2203
03:04:58,450 --> 03:04:59,970
is as a father with me.

2204
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:06,120
Many children that I'll walk to school. I would not feel comfortable having my children walk just on the road.

2205
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:14,240
And so, I think that if we continue to look at a development like this, I would encourage looking at sidewalks more,

2206
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:19,660
because I think that there would be these families, there would be this area would be appealing to families with children.

2207
03:05:20,280 --> 03:05:23,940
And we just want to keep them safe. Thank you. Thank you very much.

2208
03:05:24,560 --> 03:05:27,200
David Cuff followed by Darlin Relland.

2209
03:05:30,590 --> 03:05:32,130
Good to see everyone again.

2210
03:05:33,750 --> 03:05:35,450
I went to the neighborhood meeting last week.

2211
03:05:35,630 --> 03:05:37,410
I was hoping for some brainstorming.

2212
03:05:37,590 --> 03:05:39,470
We really didn't get that.

2213
03:05:39,550 --> 03:05:43,550
One thing I'd like to suggest would be the lot between my house

2214
03:05:43,550 --> 03:05:47,110
and the Hill Household that it's day RR-22.

2215
03:05:47,650 --> 03:05:50,290
That would solve one of the big concerns about the four-way stop

2216
03:05:50,290 --> 03:05:51,330
leading into the school.

2217
03:05:51,850 --> 03:05:55,150
It would preserve what I bought into and what they bought into.

2218
03:05:56,390 --> 03:06:00,670
And then we could have a conversation more focused on the rest of the lot.

2219
03:06:03,150 --> 03:06:05,990
And I would like to say this way, I would just does not work.

2220
03:06:07,830 --> 03:06:09,370
It doesn't tie into the neighborhood.

2221
03:06:10,690 --> 03:06:13,570
The photos that were presented don't match what's on the screen here.

2222
03:06:13,970 --> 03:06:16,810
This is a single sidewalk going down the side of a garage.

2223
03:06:16,930 --> 03:06:20,750
Those photos had actual housing frontage.

2224
03:06:23,250 --> 03:06:24,630
What else do I have?

2225
03:06:24,850 --> 03:06:28,230
I mean, you have extensive emails from me going back for a while.

2226
03:06:28,390 --> 03:06:31,210
I haven't seen any of my concerns truly addressed.

2227
03:06:31,910 --> 03:06:35,170
So I won't rehash all of that right now.

2228
03:06:35,810 --> 03:06:39,030
As far as Fencing goes, once this does get approved,

2229
03:06:39,610 --> 03:06:42,770
we need large animal barrier on the south side,

2230
03:06:43,490 --> 03:06:45,890
either precast concrete or block,

2231
03:06:45,970 --> 03:06:47,830
masonry, something like that.

2232
03:06:48,150 --> 03:06:50,330
I thought we might talk about that at the neighborhood meeting,

2233
03:06:50,330 --> 03:06:55,330
but we're focused on other stuff until I had to leave.

2234
03:06:56,810 --> 03:06:58,690
That's basically it.

2235
03:06:59,050 --> 03:06:59,470
Thank you.

2236
03:06:59,470 --> 03:06:59,530
Thank you.

2237
03:07:00,150 --> 03:07:01,630
Thank you very much.

2238
03:07:02,250 --> 03:07:02,990
Darlin Roland.

2239
03:07:04,090 --> 03:07:06,230
And then he will be followed by Jenny Roland.

2240
03:07:06,950 --> 03:07:09,090
And she will be followed by James Kidman.

2241
03:07:09,430 --> 03:07:11,170
That's the end of the comments for this one.

2242
03:07:11,170 --> 03:07:12,190
Please come forward.

2243
03:07:15,670 --> 03:07:15,950
Uh-huh.

2244
03:07:19,410 --> 03:07:20,370
My apologies.

2245
03:07:21,330 --> 03:07:22,330
I read that incorrectly.

2246
03:07:22,550 --> 03:07:24,330
Would you like to come up and still speak?

2247
03:07:35,820 --> 03:07:45,000
I'm sorry. I got misinformation on that one. So I apologize to you. Okay, so Jenny, Rowan, is she gone?

2248
03:07:45,600 --> 03:07:51,640
It's Jerry. Jerry? Okay. Very good. And Jane's Kidman.

2249
03:07:56,870 --> 03:08:06,470
Thank you. I sure many of the same comments. I live just outside of this area. This puts 60 plus cars into a school area.

2250
03:08:06,470 --> 03:08:11,190
I think they've mentioned the left turns on or off of Redwood Road.

2251
03:08:12,310 --> 03:08:13,430
I think it's 131.50.

2252
03:08:13,590 --> 03:08:16,070
Wanted to be able to make left hand turns out on the Redwood.

2253
03:08:16,430 --> 03:08:18,210
People are traveling northbound on Redwood.

2254
03:08:18,590 --> 03:08:21,090
Wanted to be able to turn left into this neighborhood.

2255
03:08:23,090 --> 03:08:25,850
The stop signs that are currently on.

2256
03:08:26,190 --> 03:08:27,470
Once they're on 1830.

2257
03:08:28,430 --> 03:08:29,910
People already roll through that.

2258
03:08:29,930 --> 03:08:32,890
There's already lots of complaints to the police about people

2259
03:08:32,890 --> 03:08:36,790
rolling through that during school drop off and pick up.

2260
03:08:37,150 --> 03:08:39,530
I personally live on one of those roads to kids.

2261
03:08:39,830 --> 03:08:41,130
Don't watch traffic.

2262
03:08:41,450 --> 03:08:43,350
They just run straight through those intersections.

2263
03:08:44,030 --> 03:08:46,050
And if you're not watching them,

2264
03:08:46,610 --> 03:08:48,950
there's going to be more kids hit with more cars.

2265
03:08:49,750 --> 03:08:52,410
I know last school year there was a child hit

2266
03:08:52,410 --> 03:08:55,210
around this time of year at school pickup.

2267
03:08:55,430 --> 03:08:57,150
And then Robert and police came and assisted

2268
03:08:57,150 --> 03:08:59,310
for an entire week of school pickup.

2269
03:09:00,430 --> 03:09:01,910
During the recent bomb threat,

2270
03:09:01,910 --> 03:09:07,270
But please, and firefighters couldn't even get to the school because of the gridlock in front

2271
03:09:07,270 --> 03:09:08,470
of the school.

2272
03:09:10,030 --> 03:09:15,250
Honestly, from my perspective, I think it's been said, it shouldn't be even RM6.

2273
03:09:15,330 --> 03:09:17,170
It should be R4 or lower.

2274
03:09:17,790 --> 03:09:19,750
Most of the homes, my home is a quarter acre.

2275
03:09:19,910 --> 03:09:23,110
The other homes in the neighborhood are third or quarter acre.

2276
03:09:23,830 --> 03:09:26,450
I think you've heard enough comments from everyone.

2277
03:09:26,470 --> 03:09:30,010
Please reject it or limit down the number of homes for safety.

2278
03:09:31,530 --> 03:09:39,830
Thank you very much. Thank you all for being so respectful. Is there anyone that hasn't had an opportunity to speak to this reason that wants to?

2279
03:09:39,830 --> 03:09:42,030
Okay, I missed anyone else.

2280
03:09:42,990 --> 03:09:49,250
Okay. We will close public comments and turn it back to the council for comments, questions and motion.

2281
03:09:52,410 --> 03:09:55,530
Mayor, could I just make a brief comment? Please do.

2282
03:09:55,710 --> 03:09:59,610
Just because of the complexity of the previous application.

2283
03:10:00,620 --> 03:10:05,380
And the development agreement that was accompanied that, the way a motion would be couched was given.

2284
03:10:05,440 --> 03:10:12,700
If the council were desirous to make a motion to approve this at a zoning other than what was asked.

2285
03:10:13,200 --> 03:10:18,800
It can just be a reason to, and I'll just use an example of RM6. If the council desired to do that,

2286
03:10:19,240 --> 03:10:23,960
you could just make the motion to approve it RM6. Those standards would stand,

2287
03:10:23,960 --> 03:10:27,120
meaning the fact that we don't have a drawing to illustrate that.

2288
03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:34,220
any development of the property would just be subject to the requirements of the RM60 and that

2289
03:10:34,220 --> 03:10:40,960
would include in a subdivision fencing and other things, that certainly isn't how that

2290
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:41,580
has to occur.

2291
03:10:41,800 --> 03:10:46,300
But in this case, different from the previous one, if there's a different zone that the Council

2292
03:10:46,300 --> 03:10:49,460
would wish to apply the motion to approve good just before that zone.

2293
03:10:50,320 --> 03:10:51,520
Thank you for that clarification.

2294
03:10:52,840 --> 03:10:53,880
Councilmember Proudtee.

2295
03:10:54,400 --> 03:10:55,120
Thank you.

2296
03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:57,320
I don't have a ton of questions.

2297
03:10:57,400 --> 03:11:03,260
I'm just going to say a couple of things that I said last time to what I shared in the last

2298
03:11:03,260 --> 03:11:04,980
reason on discussion stands.

2299
03:11:05,640 --> 03:11:07,800
This area is going to change.

2300
03:11:08,300 --> 03:11:13,960
If it doesn't necessarily have to change this drastically, but there is going to be some

2301
03:11:13,960 --> 03:11:17,960
change, especially for the properties facing redwood road just given the traffic volumes

2302
03:11:17,960 --> 03:11:18,900
for staying on redwood road.

2303
03:11:19,340 --> 03:11:23,180
So I think most people recognize that, that's likely the future here.

2304
03:11:23,180 --> 03:11:28,360
That being said, I mean, this is, I've already shared my logic on how I go about with

2305
03:11:28,360 --> 03:11:28,660
three zones.

2306
03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:32,600
This is incompatible with existing zoning, this is incompatible with neighboring properties.

2307
03:11:33,060 --> 03:11:34,520
This is incompatible with our precedent.

2308
03:11:34,740 --> 03:11:38,820
We have only approved RM14 on two locations on Redwood Road.

2309
03:11:38,920 --> 03:11:41,400
One is closer to Vangeter because it's Vangeter Highway.

2310
03:11:42,000 --> 03:11:48,160
The other is on the border of Riverton and South Jordan, which was a continuation of a development

2311
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:51,360
in South Jordan that was at the exact same zoning level.

2312
03:11:51,360 --> 03:11:55,240
So, for that, I make a motion to deny the application.

2313
03:11:56,340 --> 03:11:57,640
Okay, are you making a-

2314
03:11:57,640 --> 03:12:01,100
I move the City Council deny ordinance 26-16.

2315
03:12:03,380 --> 03:12:04,120
Is there a second?

2316
03:12:04,300 --> 03:12:06,500
We do have other council members that would like to comment.

2317
03:12:08,770 --> 03:12:11,370
Okay, we have a motion and we have a second.

2318
03:12:12,230 --> 03:12:13,390
Roll call vote, please.

2319
03:12:13,930 --> 03:12:14,850
Just one second.

2320
03:12:17,000 --> 03:12:17,300
All right.

2321
03:12:17,440 --> 03:12:18,420
Council member Prucci.

2322
03:12:19,120 --> 03:12:19,220
Yes.

2323
03:12:19,620 --> 03:12:20,100
McDougle?

2324
03:12:20,960 --> 03:12:21,200
Yes.

2325
03:12:21,680 --> 03:12:21,980
Johnson?

2326
03:12:22,460 --> 03:12:22,680
Yes.

2327
03:12:23,100 --> 03:12:23,400
Smith?

2328
03:12:24,100 --> 03:12:36,500
Amen. Yes. Okay. Thank you. The motion is denied. You all. Yes. Councilmember Johnson would like to make comment. Please.

2329
03:12:36,920 --> 03:12:45,680
I do want to explain my rationale behind this one. I might comment on principal remain the same, but I think the difference between this project and the previous project.

2330
03:12:45,680 --> 03:12:52,440
This is a smaller acre project with higher density and that other project led into Redwood Road.

2331
03:12:52,440 --> 03:12:54,540
This one leads into a school, right?

2332
03:12:54,700 --> 03:12:58,900
And so if you have that density, I think that outlet made a difference in the previous one.

2333
03:12:59,260 --> 03:13:01,220
What I'm uncomfortable with is that zoning.

2334
03:13:01,720 --> 03:13:07,640
And I do think to reiterate kind of the previous points that Councilman Prucci made in our work session,

2335
03:13:08,400 --> 03:13:13,460
Utah Realtors Association came out with new numbers that in order to buy a single family home.

2336
03:13:13,460 --> 03:13:15,620
the household income needs to be $200,000.

2337
03:13:17,160 --> 03:13:18,940
So I mean, I don't know many people

2338
03:13:18,940 --> 03:13:20,420
that make that much money in their household.

2339
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:23,680
And so I think, of course, this to me just doesn't fit,

2340
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:25,460
exactly what Councilman Purchy said,

2341
03:13:25,680 --> 03:13:28,980
what we think for this area, knowing that there needs to be

2342
03:13:28,980 --> 03:13:32,460
a change, and there needs to be some given go with us.

2343
03:13:32,760 --> 03:13:34,300
To my point, I think that R6

2344
03:13:34,300 --> 03:13:35,860
or R8 would have been a better solution.

2345
03:13:36,780 --> 03:13:38,980
I do think though, looking into the future,

2346
03:13:39,140 --> 03:13:41,280
we need to get better general plans, so you know what,

2347
03:13:41,280 --> 03:13:45,160
to expect and what residents can expect in the future.

2348
03:13:45,220 --> 03:13:47,480
Along Redwood Road but also throughout our city.

2349
03:13:50,290 --> 03:13:51,430
Okay, thank you very much.

2350
03:13:51,850 --> 03:13:56,170
All right, we will move to the general citizen comment portion of the meeting.

2351
03:13:56,970 --> 03:14:01,070
We do have a close session tonight which is expected to be rather extensive.

2352
03:14:01,910 --> 03:14:07,950
So for that reason, we will make general public comments until probably about 20 till.

2353
03:14:08,930 --> 03:14:12,170
And then we will close this meeting.

2354
03:14:12,170 --> 03:14:15,190
So we will start with Dina Long, please.

2355
03:14:21,000 --> 03:14:24,520
Dina, you'll be followed by Todd, Chris Jinsson.

2356
03:14:25,120 --> 03:14:27,480
Mayor Dina Long, I believe, left.

2357
03:14:27,800 --> 03:14:29,300
She was here for a different reason.

2358
03:14:29,580 --> 03:14:30,780
She came and talked with us on that.

2359
03:14:30,800 --> 03:14:31,820
Yes, she's just here for general.

2360
03:14:33,300 --> 03:14:34,880
Hey, Todd, Chris Jinsson.

2361
03:14:37,680 --> 03:14:38,020
All right.

2362
03:14:40,740 --> 03:14:44,240
How about Simon?

2363
03:14:44,900 --> 03:14:46,560
I'm not even trying her last name.

2364
03:14:46,840 --> 03:14:49,100
But I should have spoken before.

2365
03:14:52,320 --> 03:14:53,420
Please come forward.

2366
03:14:54,060 --> 03:14:55,720
Thank you Simon Robyn on it.

2367
03:14:56,480 --> 03:14:57,980
I'll give you a spending test later.

2368
03:14:58,080 --> 03:14:59,220
I would appreciate it.

2369
03:14:59,320 --> 03:14:59,960
Thank you. I'll come down.

2370
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:03,740
I'r hyn al Dairll. I'r panos, i'r panos?

2371
03:15:04,220 --> 03:15:11,480
I just want to say that as a legal immigrant from South Africa, we'r been in this country from

2372
03:15:11,480 --> 03:15:17,820
19 years. We moved year with 4 young children, and they had a bunch more, they'r summing in the

2373
03:15:17,820 --> 03:15:25,340
water in River Tinnice and every step of the way, we followed the law, and followed the immigration

2374
03:15:25,340 --> 03:15:34,320
yn ymd ymfriedio bydd yr fwyfyskydd i dnesios, gwneuddd, gwneud, yma yna cos, gennio ydyond, oddwysu,

2375
03:15:34,320 --> 03:15:39,680
ddim, phyta wedi yw'n hydwchwalu sydd. Yw'n neu defa yw'r defaedd ydfrwyfysu,

2376
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:40,820
yw'n niferwdydd i dynau fofer?

2377
03:15:41,960 --> 03:15:43,360
Gaen oedd ddim, ydyd yn yd convwyd.

2378
03:15:43,360 --> 03:15:54,180
Y mwyfysu a dddwl ywod fwyd yn ywydun, ydyn i ddiolsylaf bod yn ydyn nhw.

2379
03:15:54,180 --> 03:16:02,260
yn, Dealu iawn farewell, a Leif yn y P leadingu cyfnyn o ei boflinu rhoi gall, mae'n

2380
03:16:02,260 --> 03:16:05,780
gofnyn o o'n pfl i leadsoreth y dyssfylsu auf Unfinuno cyfnyn?

2381
03:16:05,780 --> 03:16:11,980
au y ddeodd o fam time o ddeodd oedd yn deir y cwrn y trafs i'n paedwodd eithyn wr條, addenbyn.

2382
03:16:13,780 --> 03:16:14,900
Dddd y enthdan.

2383
03:16:20,540 --> 03:16:21,760
Ddddodddddddd, mae yn phs.

2384
03:16:21,760 --> 03:16:22,560
o'r similar.

2385
03:16:23,080 --> 03:16:24,280
I support law enforcement,

2386
03:16:24,700 --> 03:16:27,100
and I'm so grateful that we move to a city

2387
03:16:27,100 --> 03:16:30,680
that provides good law enforcement.

2388
03:16:31,180 --> 03:16:34,800
We've gone from the unifide to our city's police.

2389
03:16:35,500 --> 03:16:40,820
We've support the efforts of our nation

2390
03:16:40,820 --> 03:16:44,440
as well as our state at large,

2391
03:16:44,720 --> 03:16:47,640
and our city is an important part of that.

2392
03:16:47,640 --> 03:16:54,800
a'r informt o'r gwynau yn phweraw i'r paenus ddagonololau...

2393
03:16:58,260 --> 03:17:04,860
Cho'n constituency lo i rhan i dda'r sefys, i bo'r schrefo'r mew'r ybaid,

2394
03:17:05,440 --> 03:17:07,020
a'r reen, a'r marr i'r edaf yr ardiol, a'r gwynnyd o'r rhan fwyd yn ddahan.

2395
03:17:07,020 --> 03:17:10,220
A'r gwawn y am fwyd yn y j yn fwyd'n fel o'r rhan y marr i'r i'r rhan fwyd y rhynl.

2396
03:17:21,440 --> 03:17:22,840
gwybe i'n i'r gweith ymi mwyd.

2397
03:17:22,840 --> 03:17:25,200
una hyn gyfer gwneud i'n rhai o'r hynnydd drwyn o'n cael y cydryn i'r dewdre sonm �icew ar ar gallu.

2398
03:17:38,390 --> 03:17:44,110
Eilwn gdan yda'w hynnydd parod, o yw nwndd, o'n hynnydd, a'r eu dda'r hynnydd i'n rhai, a'r i'r hollu warlywn i'r

2399
03:17:44,110 --> 03:17:45,130
o'r gwneud i'r hynnydd.

2400
03:17:45,210 --> 03:17:45,870
Ydiol dysgol i'n ar hynnydd, a'r rhai yw'r fydd yn cydryn rhai.

2401
03:17:47,550 --> 03:17:57,150
Ydd gda'r dda'r hynnyddau cydd gyde yw'r i'r dda'r hollu dda'r

2402
03:17:57,150 --> 03:17:58,090
mae'n gael i'n rheud i'n rheud.

2403
03:17:58,670 --> 03:18:04,010
Ae,wei,dorly,fach ymaidau'n rheudau'n furaithia,gmerod trafch i'n rheud am aadrichu.

2404
03:18:04,650 --> 03:18:07,590
Mae'n rheud aadrichu'n rheud ffrwis,dorac chi'n rhwn.

2405
03:18:09,250 --> 03:18:10,570
Mae'n rheud am ffrwis.

2406
03:18:10,570 --> 03:18:17,350
Mae'n rheud am ffrwis roedd i mwydol ydatau'n rheud bod'n rheudallid.

2407
03:18:17,350 --> 03:18:18,470
Oedd ywau ydyffle.

2408
03:18:19,270 --> 03:18:20,390
Aadrichu'n rheud am ydrych maelw.

2409
03:18:20,390 --> 03:18:22,070
Ydhych maelwodau'n rheud ythnyddio aadrichu.

2410
03:18:22,070 --> 03:18:27,970
am y sc shut a fysu'n a'r pos siorn. Mae'n ar ydyn hewn yda yn ydym'n fysu'r ar ymthesai gan rweithio.

2411
03:18:28,010 --> 03:18:30,850
Mae ydym'n wasrym ni'n mae'n gyfer i'n mae whfordd o'r am gallrwneau'r am gallrwneau gan gwas eich.

2412
03:18:30,850 --> 03:18:37,970
Roedd gwsng eithel, yr caed zwrf yd, ydym calledwn ydym'n gallrwneau ar gyfer i yn dewn roedd eich o'r yn ddrwneau,

2413
03:18:39,690 --> 03:18:43,230
pru'r am ydym'r aich cywneau o'r aich yn thwneau yn fydwrn ywneau.

2414
03:18:43,230 --> 03:18:53,890
I mot Oaf I o ymair, Weddwy'n i'r wel mwy'r i'r hynna amlu, i'n rdu, i'n mewn i'r gallu ystyf, i'n ma'r gallell yma'r afer.ив

2415
03:18:53,890 --> 03:18:54,910
yna o'r gallell r yd yna yma'r gallell, i'r gallell drwybyddw. Gwyd

2416
03:18:54,910 --> 03:19:02,430
ynch weith o'r gallell, yna'r gallell ar ydeel a feu'r gallell, yna'r gallell ar ystyf, i'n gallell ar ymawn yma yna'r gallell. S yn yna

2417
03:19:02,430 --> 03:19:13,210
'r gallell a fwre faithful o'r gallell ar yna'r gallell ar yna'r gallell, a fwre relio, a fwrell.

2418
03:19:13,210 --> 03:19:20,670
yn ymfrid, yn ymfrid ymfrid, yn의 o'r gwirbaineth, yn ymfrid, yn ymfrid, yn ymfrid, yn i'r ych'n i'r ymfrid.

2419
03:19:22,050 --> 03:19:25,490
Ydymd beth ydyn ymfrid. Ydyd ymfrid eich o'r amgymra, yn ymfrid i'n bod yn gydwryd.

2420
03:19:25,790 --> 03:19:31,650
Ydymd beth ymfrid felloedd, ymfrid i'n minu i'r amd o'r amthirshad roedd, ydr ymfrid...

2421
03:19:33,730 --> 03:19:37,310
Ydr ymfrid i'n amgymraeth i'n i'r mynd.

2422
03:19:37,310 --> 03:19:40,510
Ydymd beth ymfrid i'n i'r mynd.

2423
03:19:41,270 --> 03:19:42,910
What this job was never easy

2424
03:19:42,910 --> 03:19:44,450
as I'm sure you all understand.

2425
03:19:45,650 --> 03:19:47,490
I want to say, I am not afread.

2426
03:19:48,910 --> 03:19:50,730
I will stand up again and again

2427
03:19:50,730 --> 03:19:51,590
and again.

2428
03:19:52,370 --> 03:19:53,830
My friends here with me are not afread.

2429
03:19:54,230 --> 03:19:57,270
We wale y kifch o en hora whom se cafes si'r me ap annoyed.

2430
03:19:58,630 --> 03:19:59,370
Wale ykal, y t 관, y y e Gymgu'u a nefload blu e looking,

2431
03:19:59,370 --> 03:19:59,810
yAing llgu'u boeli mae'u yna' shall.

2432
03:20:00,400 --> 03:20:10,180
Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you. Brian, as our attorney, I've had a thought, can we identify where

2433
03:20:10,180 --> 03:20:19,020
they're from or do we just move on? Pardon? Okay. Okay. If you let us know where you live, it would

2434
03:20:19,020 --> 03:20:22,240
be appreciated. Mr. Clayton, Robert Clayton.

2435
03:20:25,480 --> 03:20:29,840
Thank you, Mayor Council. I am a long time resident

2436
03:20:29,840 --> 03:20:36,840
of Riverton, and I am 100% in support of Riverton police departments cooperation with ICE

2437
03:20:36,840 --> 03:20:43,720
through 287G. With clear expectations for law enforcement, accountability, and respect

2438
03:20:43,720 --> 03:20:50,960
for every person. I believe our local law officers should have appropriate training and tools

2439
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:56,300
to work with federal authorities. I support enforcing immigration laws through an orderly

2440
03:20:56,300 --> 03:21:01,560
process, as made evident by my good friend Simon Robenheimer.

2441
03:21:03,540 --> 03:21:08,360
That respects constitutional protections and do process.

2442
03:21:08,960 --> 03:21:13,940
The city describes this agreement as allowing specially trained officers to perform

2443
03:21:13,940 --> 03:21:19,480
certain limited federal immigration enforcement duties in cooperation with ICE.

2444
03:21:19,560 --> 03:21:24,980
I support that coordination when it is carried out professionally and within the limits

2445
03:21:24,980 --> 03:21:30,780
of the agreement. My support also comes with a firm conviction. Every person deserves

2446
03:21:30,780 --> 03:21:37,460
humane treatment, regardless of race, national origin, language, or immigration status. Immigrants

2447
03:21:37,460 --> 03:21:44,300
are part of our community. They are our neighbors, co-workers, business owners, friends, and

2448
03:21:44,300 --> 03:21:49,960
family members. A person's appearance, accent or last name should never be treated as evidence

2449
03:21:49,960 --> 03:21:54,840
of wrongdoing. Immigration status should not be confused with the person's character or

2450
03:21:54,840 --> 03:22:00,720
presumed dangerousness. I recognize that this partnership raises real concern for some families.

2451
03:22:01,280 --> 03:22:06,420
Those concerns deserve respectful answers. Supporting our police, includes expecting clear

2452
03:22:06,420 --> 03:22:12,000
policies, proper supervision, and a meaningful process for addressing complaints. I would

2453
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:21,840
encourage the city to continue to have transparency within this plan. And how residents

2454
03:22:21,840 --> 03:22:28,520
can continue to support our police officers through this collaboration. I want this partnership

2455
03:22:28,520 --> 03:22:36,520
to focus resources on genuine public safety with decisions based on evidence and individual

2456
03:22:36,520 --> 03:22:41,900
circumstances. We can support immigration enforcement while insisting on fairness, we can

2457
03:22:41,900 --> 03:22:47,300
support our officers while expecting accountability. We can disagree about policy while treating

2458
03:22:47,300 --> 03:22:48,880
and one another with dignity.

2459
03:22:49,240 --> 03:22:52,560
I support 100% river transport participation

2460
03:22:52,560 --> 03:22:56,480
in this partnership within those communities

2461
03:22:56,480 --> 03:22:57,540
and its foundation.

2462
03:22:58,300 --> 03:23:00,840
Public safety, lawful enforcement, transparency,

2463
03:23:01,720 --> 03:23:03,700
and respect for everyone who lives in our community.

2464
03:23:04,100 --> 03:23:04,560
Thank you.

2465
03:23:04,940 --> 03:23:05,860
Thank you.

2466
03:23:06,140 --> 03:23:07,340
Brandon, work, and ten.

2467
03:23:14,960 --> 03:23:16,100
Hello, my name is Brandon.

2468
03:23:16,680 --> 03:23:18,280
I'm here with I, Salt Lake, DSA.

2469
03:23:20,180 --> 03:23:22,620
I grew up in the river, and I graduated from

2470
03:23:22,620 --> 03:23:29,200
moved to high school. I've family and friends in the area, both in the city and in the

2471
03:23:29,200 --> 03:23:37,440
surrounding area. I'm here to oppose the 87-G agreement. The agreement was sent

2472
03:23:37,440 --> 03:23:40,080
unilaterally, and I'm awfully undemocratic.

2473
03:23:42,900 --> 03:23:45,180
City residents, your constituents,

2474
03:23:51,280 --> 03:23:52,600
they weren't

2475
03:23:52,600 --> 03:23:59,180
So they counsel, they're not about the agreement, that they're the fact.

2476
03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:09,300
You have the opportunity to choose a better way to show your constituents and those who

2477
03:24:09,300 --> 03:24:17,540
have a stake in the city, that you value their input, that you value these concerns and

2478
03:24:18,520 --> 03:24:20,240
to demonstrate democracy.

2479
03:24:22,540 --> 03:24:30,920
I would urge you to put this agreement to a bow and to wholeheartedly reject the agreement.

2480
03:24:31,760 --> 03:24:32,740
Thank you.

2481
03:24:32,780 --> 03:24:33,540
Thank you.

2482
03:24:34,900 --> 03:24:35,620
Matt Soper.

2483
03:24:40,540 --> 03:24:40,740
Okay.

2484
03:24:41,320 --> 03:24:42,280
I live in South Jordan.

2485
03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:47,860
I live in South Jordan, but that's not even remotely relevant to anything I'm about to say.

2486
03:24:48,980 --> 03:24:58,180
As people have already gone over the decision to go ahead with a 287G agreement was totally unilateral and a direct violation of Riverton City Code.

2487
03:24:59,360 --> 03:24:59,960
Do you, I know.

2488
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:29,280
So that you guys are all aware of this because this has been pointed out to you multiple times, both in this meeting, previous meetings and in private correspondence with people. So I have to ask you, what do you stand for exactly? What do you stand for democracy? The most sacred value, the most sacred and esteemed value that you pledged allegiance to at the beginning of this meeting. Does that mean anything to you? Because I mean the truth of the matter is that

2489
03:25:31,560 --> 03:25:44,580
Letting this violation of city code that means that this motion cannot be voted on by city council that council amount that yeah, camp, sorry,

2490
03:25:47,290 --> 03:25:58,610
that is the opposite of democracy is what I'm saying, if you care about democracy at all, it makes no sense to not rectify this violation of city code.

2491
03:26:00,510 --> 03:26:06,730
And the fact that you haven't done anything about that, that suggests to me that, well,

2492
03:26:06,730 --> 03:26:12,710
matters more to you, because we all know that cooperating with ICE, that this is a controversial

2493
03:26:12,710 --> 03:26:13,990
contentious issue.

2494
03:26:14,790 --> 03:26:21,570
And so therefore, I strongly suspect that the reason why this hasn't been rectified and

2495
03:26:21,570 --> 03:26:33,710
No council members have had to take a stance on this as we for the simple fact that it's easier and more convenient for you to just sweep it under the rug and ignore it.

2496
03:26:35,770 --> 03:26:44,510
And so I asked if you please prove me wrong and actually put this to a vote and obey the city code. Thank you.

2497
03:26:44,510 --> 03:26:46,210
Thank you Bob Ford.

2498
03:26:47,810 --> 03:26:54,690
Mayor, he came over to me and left. He did ask me to say he is in support of the

2499
03:26:54,690 --> 03:26:55,270
ice agreement.

2500
03:26:56,270 --> 03:26:58,210
Okay, thank you very much.

2501
03:26:59,130 --> 03:27:00,050
Alyssa Ferris,

2502
03:27:11,940 --> 03:27:17,420
hello everyone. My name is Alyssa. I'm here today with a DSA to

2503
03:27:17,420 --> 03:27:20,820
express my deep concerns for the safety and the civil rights of the people in

2504
03:27:21,360 --> 03:27:26,620
Riverton. As an individual, I want ice abolished completely yesterday, short of that

2505
03:27:26,620 --> 03:27:31,380
want ice out of Utah out of my state and that I want the people responsible for all the

2506
03:27:31,380 --> 03:27:35,660
numerous abuses and violations and murders committed by this mass-men held to accountability.

2507
03:27:37,080 --> 03:27:42,180
I work in the field of home health. I travel all over the state. I come to River 10 multiple times

2508
03:27:42,180 --> 03:27:47,240
a week for years. I go into the homes of some of the most vulnerable homebound and sometimes even

2509
03:27:47,240 --> 03:27:51,860
bedbound people. I take care of people from all different walks of life, different faiths,

2510
03:27:52,000 --> 03:27:56,600
different religions who speak a variety of different languages. I take care of them. I feed them.

2511
03:27:56,600 --> 03:28:01,040
I'd obey them. I do whatever needs doing. I help their families too, and I listen to people.

2512
03:28:01,640 --> 03:28:05,100
People are terrified of the future. They're worried for their children, their neighbors.

2513
03:28:05,720 --> 03:28:10,960
People shouldn't have to live in fear because the people in this room refuse to stand up and take accountability for their jobs.

2514
03:28:11,560 --> 03:28:17,760
I would ask a name of common decency that the members of the City Council force the 287G agreement into a formal vote,

2515
03:28:17,920 --> 03:28:24,380
vote no on the 287G agreement, and further more to vocally and firmly oppose ICE and River 10. Thank you.

2516
03:28:24,660 --> 03:28:25,480
Thank you.

2517
03:28:25,480 --> 03:28:29,020
And thank you for caring for some of our most vulnerable residents.

2518
03:28:29,660 --> 03:28:30,520
Dave Mowley?

2519
03:28:38,870 --> 03:28:39,450
Good evening, Mayor.

2520
03:28:40,070 --> 03:28:40,550
City Council.

2521
03:28:41,050 --> 03:28:41,950
My name is Dave.

2522
03:28:42,630 --> 03:28:43,030
I live here.

2523
03:28:43,850 --> 03:28:44,590
I'm not from Salt Lake.

2524
03:28:45,370 --> 03:28:46,730
And I didn't drive in for a hobby.

2525
03:28:47,750 --> 03:28:50,890
It's clear that the Salt Lake DSA has made Riverton their project.

2526
03:28:51,290 --> 03:28:52,230
They've said it in public.

2527
03:28:52,690 --> 03:28:55,490
And after they claimed to win on the west side warehouse fight,

2528
03:28:55,990 --> 03:28:58,110
their immigrant solidarity working group named our agreement

2529
03:28:58,110 --> 03:28:59,170
does the next campaign.

2530
03:28:59,170 --> 03:29:03,150
They're recruiting, running classes downtown, and packing this chamber.

2531
03:29:04,230 --> 03:29:06,630
I used to be one resident against one activist.

2532
03:29:07,030 --> 03:29:10,330
Now it's one resident against a stacked room, though I seem to have some,

2533
03:29:10,850 --> 03:29:12,350
though I seem to have some backup tonight.

2534
03:29:13,230 --> 03:29:14,510
Their movement is not organic.

2535
03:29:14,930 --> 03:29:15,710
It is not grassroots.

2536
03:29:16,190 --> 03:29:18,950
It does not represent the will of our citizens.

2537
03:29:19,610 --> 03:29:22,770
It is coordinated pressure campaign designed to bully us into submission.

2538
03:29:23,730 --> 03:29:27,370
The biggest mistake we can make about their so-called color revolution is

2539
03:29:27,370 --> 03:29:28,770
thinking they're just protests.

2540
03:29:29,330 --> 03:29:31,450
So far, what you see is rallies in public comment.

2541
03:29:32,070 --> 03:29:33,990
That is the early phase, and we must treat it

2542
03:29:33,990 --> 03:29:36,850
for what it is, a regular warfare by other means.

2543
03:29:37,350 --> 03:29:39,630
A domestic movement using the street, the media,

2544
03:29:40,150 --> 03:29:42,130
and more panic to break institutions well.

2545
03:29:43,230 --> 03:29:44,370
I've talked about this before.

2546
03:29:44,950 --> 03:29:46,450
They follow Gene Sharpe's playbook.

2547
03:29:46,730 --> 03:29:48,470
They turn a packed room and meet a narrative

2548
03:29:48,470 --> 03:29:50,470
into permanent veto over local government.

2549
03:29:51,230 --> 03:29:52,430
They don't need to scale you today.

2550
03:29:52,850 --> 03:29:56,390
They need repetition, same faces, same script, same war pressure,

2551
03:29:56,390 --> 03:29:59,370
And the same claim that the agreement is illegitimate.

2552
03:29:59,830 --> 03:29:59,950
It is just...

2553
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,780
Designed to isolate anyone that holds the line to make it easy to just give them what they want. So, when their

2554
03:30:05,780 --> 03:30:10,220
ring leaders come in here and throw a corrupted reading of city policy in your face, treat them accordingly.

2555
03:30:11,160 --> 03:30:15,920
Not as confused locals, but as organizers running a campaign against a city that actually lives with consequences.

2556
03:30:16,920 --> 03:30:23,780
They targeted us because we're the only city that has this agreement. If they break us or it travels, toxic empathy, disagree better,

2557
03:30:23,780 --> 03:30:31,140
enforcement is a illegitimate, the effect cascades. They claim the agreement was done improperly.

2558
03:30:36,460 --> 03:30:43,200
That's what's thought. Anyway, it has tools and information and it allows our officers to work with ICE.

2559
03:30:43,480 --> 03:30:51,340
It does not turn the river to MPD into a border patrol. Our chief has said that strategic enforcement is part of why crime is so low here.

2560
03:30:51,340 --> 03:30:53,180
as low as it has been in years.

2561
03:30:53,800 --> 03:30:54,900
Don't throw away a working tool

2562
03:30:54,900 --> 03:30:57,000
because the Salt Lake Activist needs a scalp.

2563
03:30:58,120 --> 03:30:59,480
You'll hear the raised card,

2564
03:30:59,680 --> 03:31:00,880
you'll hear about the pay-trarchy,

2565
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:03,680
you'll hear that you are bad people, you're not.

2566
03:31:04,520 --> 03:31:06,120
Status under the law does not color,

2567
03:31:06,120 --> 03:31:07,500
care what color your skin is.

2568
03:31:07,940 --> 03:31:10,480
Someone can sit in this room, look however they want,

2569
03:31:10,920 --> 03:31:12,200
and not be disappeared by eyes

2570
03:31:12,200 --> 03:31:14,040
because residency status is the issue.

2571
03:31:14,500 --> 03:31:16,760
Sure, our immigration system is flawed in needs work,

2572
03:31:17,080 --> 03:31:18,280
but it is still the most generous,

2573
03:31:18,320 --> 03:31:19,980
legal entry system on Earth,

2574
03:31:19,980 --> 03:31:22,440
And if the United States were the cartoon that they sell,

2575
03:31:22,520 --> 03:31:24,180
people would not be fighting to get in.

2576
03:31:24,600 --> 03:31:25,540
My request is simple.

2577
03:31:25,840 --> 03:31:26,460
Keep the agreement.

2578
03:31:27,040 --> 03:31:28,860
Do not reward them for throwing a timber tantrum.

2579
03:31:29,600 --> 03:31:30,940
Respect the people who live here,

2580
03:31:31,000 --> 03:31:33,340
not the parasites that treat our city like a field exercise.

2581
03:31:33,740 --> 03:31:34,920
Thank you.

2582
03:31:35,180 --> 03:31:35,720
Thank you.

2583
03:31:35,780 --> 03:31:36,760
We will hear from Peter.

2584
03:31:36,880 --> 03:31:38,860
This is a no-drug.

2585
03:31:39,520 --> 03:31:42,780
And he will be our last public comment of the evening.

2586
03:31:43,280 --> 03:31:45,000
And then I will ask the council.

2587
03:31:45,300 --> 03:31:48,340
And I will look for a motion to adjourn and to move into a close session.

2588
03:31:48,340 --> 03:31:53,060
Those of you that do not have an opportunity to speak tonight, I have your cards.

2589
03:31:53,260 --> 03:31:57,360
You'd be welcome to come to our next meeting and be the first to speak in our public

2590
03:31:57,360 --> 03:31:58,600
course portion card.

2591
03:31:59,120 --> 03:32:00,320
Please, sir, go ahead.

2592
03:32:01,680 --> 03:32:02,600
Thank you.

2593
03:32:03,120 --> 03:32:08,980
On August 25th, an object on police officer responded to an angel, the sought has helped in understanding

2594
03:32:08,980 --> 03:32:11,480
why a black guy's city was following him around his neighborhood.

2595
03:32:12,680 --> 03:32:16,620
The fear on uncertainty was clear in his voice as we can see on the officer's body cam.

2596
03:32:17,840 --> 03:32:23,600
As was the fact that he trusted this uniformed officer, perhaps he had heard the statement by

2597
03:32:23,600 --> 03:32:28,800
I've been police department on September 23rd of last year where they insist victims and

2598
03:32:28,800 --> 03:32:31,360
witnesses are safe to call OPD.

2599
03:32:32,380 --> 03:32:35,860
Your immigration status will not be asked for or shared when you see help.

2600
03:32:36,780 --> 03:32:41,560
We'll never know what he thought because as documented on this same body camp, this individual

2601
03:32:41,560 --> 03:32:44,420
was arrested and it's likely already been deported.

2602
03:32:46,210 --> 03:32:51,030
say what you will about undocumented individuals in this country. I don't know many people have.

2603
03:32:51,990 --> 03:32:56,190
But when this interaction ends with an ice officer, snatching someone from their day job,

2604
03:32:56,690 --> 03:32:58,330
do you really think their community is safer?

2605
03:33:00,410 --> 03:33:05,850
Do you think the next victim, the next witness, is going to call the police, or will they avoid them at all costs?

2606
03:33:07,930 --> 03:33:12,310
This is what one comment here is for it to is jumping over dollars to chase dimes.

2607
03:33:12,310 --> 03:33:18,670
He describes that when immigrant communities see police as extensions of immigration enforcement rightfully

2608
03:33:18,670 --> 03:33:22,430
They don't act as witnesses. They do not report crimes

2609
03:33:24,440 --> 03:33:30,020
Studies have found nearly half of all his fanics are less likely to contact police

2610
03:33:30,020 --> 03:33:38,080
If they fear they will face questions about immigration status and this includes individuals with citizenship

2611
03:33:39,440 --> 03:33:42,560
This commentator the infamous radical and

2612
03:33:42,560 --> 03:33:46,780
and agitator, Salt Lake County Sheriff Jim Winder.

2613
03:33:47,680 --> 03:33:51,320
He warns against the creation of silent victims, his words,

2614
03:33:52,840 --> 03:33:56,220
driving up crime rights, undermining trust and vulnerable communities.

2615
03:33:57,280 --> 03:34:01,460
And it is specifically aimed at 287G task force that you have

2616
03:34:01,460 --> 03:34:03,300
in force in this city right now.

2617
03:34:04,440 --> 03:34:09,340
As of almost one year ago, one year ago, nearly 200 U.S.

2618
03:34:09,340 --> 03:34:12,780
have already been deported. These are U.S. citizens.

2619
03:34:14,820 --> 03:34:16,660
They have fully legal status and they have

2620
03:34:16,660 --> 03:34:18,700
been caught up in this inhumane machinery.

2621
03:34:21,070 --> 03:34:23,310
This is the calculus that our neighbors and our friends

2622
03:34:23,310 --> 03:34:30,570
must live under. So I ask you, why do only some residents of Eritain get safety get to feel at home in

2623
03:34:30,570 --> 03:34:36,710
the community? Doesn't anyone present and invest it in this community deserve the right to feel

2624
03:34:36,710 --> 03:34:43,210
safety. Do you think that they do? They don't. They will not. It will, however, make

2625
03:34:43,210 --> 03:34:49,710
River Tinnon community driven by division. And mistrust. And if you insist on this path,

2626
03:34:50,010 --> 03:34:56,310
we will all be forced to reckon with it. A number of people asked to have a vote. I'd like

2627
03:34:56,310 --> 03:34:59,970
to go one step further. I feel that this is a shambling zone.

2628
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:07,440
We have an agreement. They have signed by your predecessor. It is doing no one any good. It should be cancelled immediately. Thank you.

2629
03:35:07,720 --> 03:35:10,160
Thank you. Looking for a motion.

2630
03:35:13,140 --> 03:35:14,300
Council member McDougall.

2631
03:35:16,960 --> 03:35:18,580
And move into closed door session.

2632
03:35:19,440 --> 03:35:20,720
Second, council member Hayman.

2633
03:35:21,220 --> 03:35:21,980
I'll second that.

2634
03:35:25,060 --> 03:35:27,820
I apologize. Do have to close the public comments.

2635
03:35:28,560 --> 03:35:36,580
And then, right. Yes. Well, actually we're just going to, if you look on your last page.

2636
03:35:39,620 --> 03:35:44,300
Thank you, I am going to do it exactly, if you would like me to share it.

2637
03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:44,880
Thank you.

2638
03:35:44,880 --> 03:35:49,260
I'm moving to convene in a closed door session to discuss pending or reasonable immunolidication.

2639
03:35:49,540 --> 03:35:53,200
I also motion that we close the city council meeting in the closed session.

2640
03:35:53,500 --> 03:35:57,620
The closed session will be held in the conference room right outside the council chambers.

2641
03:35:58,180 --> 03:35:59,020
Thank you, council member.

2642
03:35:59,280 --> 03:36:00,580
Now I'm looking for that second.

2643
03:36:01,540 --> 03:36:01,800
Council member.

2644
03:36:02,200 --> 03:36:03,400
I'll second that.

2645
03:36:03,740 --> 03:36:03,760
Okay.

2646
03:36:03,760 --> 03:36:09,000
Now, roll couple, or all in favor, okay.

2647
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:10,320
Yes.

2648
03:36:11,240 --> 03:36:11,480
Yes.

2649
03:36:19,250 --> 03:36:23,390
Thank you all very much for coming and for your respectful behavior.

2650
03:36:23,810 --> 03:36:24,550
Appreciate it.