1 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Well, good evening, everyone. I hope you all have a good evening. 2 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Good evening, everyone. I humbly acknowledge that the land on which we live, learn, work, and play is treaty eight territory, the traditional lands of the Cree, Denny, an unceded territory of the May tea. 3 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,000 For the record, we have Councillor Vardy participating via teams. 4 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Councillors, please have your video turned on. 5 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:27,000 If anyone is in attendance, wishes to address council on any of the agenda items, please register now with legislative services, desk located to my right. 6 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,000 As I will only be calling upon those who have registered to speak. 7 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Following your submission, please remain available for questions for council. 8 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,000 You must register prior to the start of the agenda item to which you are speaking, registered delegations, 9 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 are permitted up to five minutes to speak and must remain on topic. 10 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Can I have someone make the motion to adopt the agenda as presented, please? 11 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Oh, there we go. 12 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Councillor Allen. 13 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Thank you through the chair. I would move that the agenda be adopted as presented. 14 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Thank you, Councillor Allen. 15 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,000 I was seconded by Councillor Ancassian. I'll call for vote. 16 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Thank you and that was passed unanimously. 17 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Moving on to the consent agenda. Does anybody wish to remove any items from the consent agenda? 18 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Hearing none, can I have someone make the motion? 19 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Councillor Scott. 20 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 So moved. 21 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. 22 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Insected by Councillor Brent. I'll call for vote. 23 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:08,000 And that was passed unanimously. 24 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Thank you. 25 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Next, we have a report on Highway 686 alignment. 26 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Support. 27 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:30,000 I'd like to call the Office of the Chief of Staff to introduce the report. 28 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Please introduce yourself and go ahead when you're ready. 29 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Thank you. 30 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Thank you, Deputy Mayor Wawgel. 31 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Good evening members of Council. 32 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:13,000 For the record, my name is Matthew Harrison and I'm the Chief of Staff. 33 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:22,000 I'm here before you to request a letter of support for the proposed route alignment for Highway 686. 34 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:30,000 In 2023, the government of Alberta entered into an agreement with United Northern Development's limited partnership 35 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,000 to support the planning of Highway 686. 36 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:45,000 In September 2025, the RMWB shared with the partnerships engagement consultant that we prefer the southern route alignment of Highway 686. 37 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,000 On the map on in the map on your screen, that's the the future line there. 38 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 The 2011 Stantex Seltalignment. 39 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Since at least 2012, the widely held understanding was that Highway 686 would connect to Highway 6 to Highway 63 via the Parsons Creek interchange. 40 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:15,000 The interchange was completed in 2016 and various planning documents have been approved to reflect its use. 41 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:23,000 In December 2025, the engagement consultant met with administration to provide an update on their progress. 42 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:32,000 The consultant informed us that after reviewing the possible options, the Seltalignment is the preferred route to be brought forward to the province. 43 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Administration has been advised that a letter from Council supporting the preferred southern alignment would be welcome and would be included in the recommendation to the government of Alberta. 44 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:52,000 And so I would ask that you approve our request to provide a letter of support for the Highway 686 Southern route alignment. 45 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,000 That concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to take any questions. Thank you. 46 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Thank you for the presentation. Are there any questions from Council? Councillor Scott? 47 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,640 Just a few quick ones. Does this impact, I know that the province is discussing or certainly the 48 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:21,000 MLAs are discussing a bridge across the river? Will this impact that in any way as far as you were? 49 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Through the chair to Councillor Scott? No, this would be something separate. This is focused on the project that the 50 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:39,480 GLA originally announced in 2023. As far as we know, the GLA is in support of the step that we would be taking, or would we be running counter to that? 51 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:50,480 I suppose southern route. Through the chair to Councillor Scott, the GLA empowered this partnership to work and engage with the different parties to find out the preferred route. 52 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:59,480 And so we learned from the partnerships engagement consultant that they do prefer the southern route, and that they would be recommending that to the GLA. 53 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:07,480 So whatever the GLA is more comfortable with what their engagement finds, so we are aligning with the partnership, which is a good news story for all partners involved. 54 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,480 And that's essentially administration's recommendation as well. 55 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:19,480 That is correct. Yes, that would be our preferred route through the chair to Councillor Scott, as it does work with the existing infrastructure that we have, namely the Parsons Interchange. 56 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Thanks for that. Thank you. Thanks, Councillor Scott. Councillor Cardinal. 57 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:46,480 Next up, we may make a report. Why go? Thanks for the presentation there, Matthew. I guess my question would be what will be the definitions in the support matter, because do we are going to bring it back to us to a further draft, or are you going to send it? 58 00:16:47,480 --> 00:17:01,480 So through the chair to Councillor Cardinal. So in cases like this, the mayor would send a letter to this engagement consultant, saying our support, same council support for this project for the southern alignment. 59 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:14,480 And we would include within that letter, the minutes from this meeting to show that it's official and on the record that we are supportive of this southern route, as identified in the map, the 2011 stand tech southern route. 60 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:26,480 So it's pretty, it's, I would say it's a standard paperwork exercise, but it's something that's very important to just vouch for our support for this route to align with the other partners. 61 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:37,480 I guess in alignment with the physical responsibility, I guess discussions about us not having to pay for it at all, but it's just be solely on the open agreement. 62 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:48,480 Through the chair to Councillor Cardinal. Yes, this is a project that the government of Alberta has identified as a priority to have a route connecting the east west of the northern part of the province. 63 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:58,480 They see it as an important economic corridor as well. It's a great opportunity for us to have another egress route. So this is a provincial project. Yes. 64 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:07,480 Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Cardinal. Do we have any delegates for that item? 65 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,480 We have a registered delegates. 66 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Councillor Allen. 67 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Thank you, worship. I guess I'm just curious, because I mean, this the original alignment is going back 22 years now. 68 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,480 And I remember being excited when they first announced it in their budget in 2023. 69 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:38,480 Do we see any money or any plans for shovels in the ground by 2027 perhaps, or have they has the government given any expectations on that? 70 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:52,480 Because it's something we've been waiting for for a very long time and Highway 6 here. Well, the part of the Creek interchange was originally designed to accommodate this and it was always the beginning of 686. 71 00:18:52,480 --> 00:19:07,480 We've changed the line or would we change the interchange design specifically to to accommodate this. So just wanted if there if the government is giving any hint to a plan as to when they may even start. 72 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Through the chair to Councillor Allen, that's an excellent question and that's one that that we've asked as part of the engagements and no one has quite been able to pinpoint a time for us though they have referred to it as a very it's more of a longer term project. 73 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:36,480 There's still some engagement to go on there will be some environmental studies that will have to happen there'll be design and then of course construction so there's still a ways to go but I think the positive thing is that first the government of Alberta has committed to it publicly. 74 00:19:36,480 --> 00:20:05,480 And also I think establishing this agreement on a route with with key partners is a great step forward. So no time line yet in our conversations with the Ministry of Transportation Economic Corridors back in December, they were hinting at there could be some some more public statements made in the first part of the year so whether or not that's money in the budget or information about the route alignment more publicly. 75 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:11,480 That's to be seen but there's there's no timeline at this point yet unfortunately but well we'll have to wait and see. 76 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:32,480 Yeah well I certainly support anything that is the has the few as water crossings because from past experience I know of the issues we had getting permits in place with the department of fisheries and oceans federally and that was a huge delay so hopefully we can see shovels in the ground sometime during my lifetime. 77 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,480 I guess that's more of just a comment. Thank you. 78 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Awesome thank you Councillor Allen any other questions a council. 79 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Seeing done just to repeat there is no delegates for the set. 80 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,480 So it's going to be good then. 81 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,480 Can I have someone make the motion please. 82 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Councillor Scott. 83 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,480 So moved. 84 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:08,480 Thank you Councillor Scott. 85 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,480 And second thank you. 86 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,480 Thank you. 87 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Councillor Lance. 88 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Can I call for a vote. 89 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:27,480 Thank you. 90 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,480 Thank you. 91 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:41,480 Next we have a report on council rules and relations council policy I'd like to invite the office of the chief of staff to introduce the report. 92 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,480 I don't think you need to re-induce yourself you're already there. 93 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,480 I'll re-induce myself for the record. 94 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,480 How about that. 95 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,480 Sure. 96 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,480 Good evening once again council again for the record. 97 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:57,480 My name is Matthew Harrison. I'm the chief of staff. I'm joined by the manager of council relations Nadia McCrone. 98 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Whose team is a key lays on for council supporting the interim chief administrative officer in his support of your work and priorities. 99 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,480 We're here to speak to the council rules and relations council policy. 100 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:26,480 The bill V030 has noted in the council report the proposed policy and procedure before you provides clear definitions and distinctions between the respective rules of council and administration. 101 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:35,480 Combined these two governance documents distinguished council's governance responsibilities from administration's operational duties. 102 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:45,480 And sure as that strategic decision making remains focused at the council level well enabling administration to manage day to day operations efficiently and effectively. 103 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:53,480 These governance documents include key foundational governance elements like administration having the responsibility for public service delivery. 104 00:22:53,480 --> 00:23:02,480 Administrations commitment to sharing information with members of council in the flow of direction from council to administration through the CAO. 105 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:12,480 The policy and its accompanying procedure promote a culture of respectful transparent clear consistent collaborative communication between both bodies. 106 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:22,480 And to ensure legislative compliance all components of this policy and procedure align with the municipal government act and the chief administrative officer by law. 107 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:29,480 That concludes my presentation myself and Nadia would be happy to take any questions. 108 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,480 Thank you for the presentation. Are there any questions? 109 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Council. 110 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,480 Awesome. Seeing none. Thank you so much. Can I have somebody make the motion. 111 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,480 Councillor Allen. 112 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Thank you through the chair. I would move that the council rules and relations council policy. 113 00:23:53,480 --> 00:24:01,480 Gov-030 as outlined in attachment one and the council rules and relations council policy procedure. 114 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:08,480 Gov-030 as outlined in attachment to be approved. 115 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Thank you so much and thank you for the second council grant. 116 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Any debate points discussion for council. 117 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Councillor Vardy. 118 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:39,480 Thank you. I have a concern. I'm just getting my page here specifically with the procedures. 119 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,480 On attachment three so. 120 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:56,480 So understanding that we are not able to to direct staff and to provide staff and provide direction outside of policy. 121 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:07,480 We have a lot of members of our council who are experts in their field and I feel that it's this procedure leaves very little room for collaboration. 122 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:19,480 We have a lot of members of the committee and we bring a lot of knowledge and resources that we're hearing from the lived experience or members of the. 123 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,480 From residents and I. 124 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:33,480 This is so prescriptive that I don't see a place of where we can support and inform without directing. 125 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:41,480 I don't know if we can answer to my question or maybe administration can kind of help me in that gray area again understanding that we are not able. 126 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,480 And we must not give direction to staff when we're talking about collaboration. 127 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 I don't see that piece I don't see that piece there so that's my first. 128 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,480 I'm going to do have a second one. 129 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Through the chair to Councillor Vardy all start and then maybe not able to step in but. 130 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:11,480 It's certainly not intended to limit councils insight or certainly bringing for the questions or concerns or priorities of residents. 131 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:22,480 The distinction is that the conversations with the information or the feedback should be brought in to the CIO so that he can take this information he can take the work. 132 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:35,480 And then working with his team he can distribute it out to the necessary parties so certainly not intended to limit any kind of input from council that's that's certainly your role to share your thoughts and. 133 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,480 And feedback from residents with the CIO and then he can further direct it. 134 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,480 Nadia I'm not sure if you have anything to add to that. 135 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,480 I would just thank you Matthew if I could. 136 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,480 Through the chair to Councillor Vardy. 137 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:57,480 I just wanted to add as well the what you're seeing in front of you is council's policy and council's administrative procedure and recognizing that you know we certainly don't want to at all. 138 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Restrict councillors providing input especially when this is coming from the community. 139 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:12,480 So while Matthew did talk about any feedback coming in through the CIO certainly we recognize that sometimes councillors are talking to senior leaders in the organization. 140 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:24,480 So what you would see complementary to this council policy coming forward will be administrations on procedures and that is where you would see things like senior leaders ensuring that they are providing. 141 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,480 Awareness to the office of the CIO but any conversations information that's been shared or feedback that has come in from. 142 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:41,480 members of council so it is not just that you only talk to the CIO I just wanted to make sure that that distinction is not there and it's not that restrictive does that help you at all council are ready. 143 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,480 Yes yes it does because I was reading it as exactly that very very prescriptive. 144 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,480 And I do have a second a second point. 145 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Apologies it was specifically regarding. 146 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,480 I'm so sorry. 147 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Resident inquiries and members of council section 12 so there is a recommendation that. 148 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Should residents put in a request or inquiry to council it'd be recommended that we request them to send. 149 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,480 to to pulse and put an official complaint forward. 150 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:34,480 I do agree with this this is good practice however not every inquiry is going to be an appropriate response to to pulse. 151 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,480 So my my question is within this procedure if. 152 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:48,480 I choose to not recommend someone put a pulse request forward instead I forward it or or handle it myself. 153 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:55,480 How are we going to be held accountable is is there if that going to be an issue that I didn't request them put a. 154 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:08,480 A pulse ticket forward is this is just a guideline is what I'm hearing is is more these are best practices I just want to make sure that I'm clear on the intent and is this prescriptive again or is this more a guideline of best practices. 155 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,480 Through the chair to Councillor Vardy. 156 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,480 It would be fine if you took the inquiry yourself and forward it along to administration. 157 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:28,480 It is certainly a preferred route for a number of reasons to go through pulse so we can track things and sure things have been followed up on and so on and so forth but we do recognize as you do as you did state. 158 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,480 That not all things maybe appropriate somethings. 159 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:44,480 Maybe more sensitive and require a bit more hands on or direct dealing with through say the CCO's office so that would certainly be fine if you were to submit something through. 160 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:54,480 Through the CCO's office rather than pulse but of course we do recommend and the usage of pulse and I'm not sure if you have anything to add to that as well but. 161 00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:00,480 I usually do Matthew have so through the chair to Councillor Vardy I would add as well because I remember that. 162 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,000 It's being a conversation amongst administration, when we were looking at it, especially at this point. 163 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:22,000 We recognize too that Councillors, because of how close you work with members of administration, you might be able to find that information that we might think is readily available, whether it's on the website or information that has already been shared publicly in council meetings. 164 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:29,000 So while this does specifically say, when residents request information that is not readily available to the public, for you to direct that through pulse, 165 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:39,000 we also recognize that you might know exactly where to find that answer. And we certainly wouldn't restrict you from directing any member or any residents that might be looking for information. 166 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,000 If you already know where to find it, online or referring to a council meeting by all means, do that. 167 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Thank you. 168 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Thank you for those of my questions. 169 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Thanks, Councillor Varty. Councillor Loana, can you see? 170 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Thank you, Deputy Mayor and through the chair to administration. 171 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Further to Councillor Varty's comments, I would like to see number 12 amended. 172 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000 There's times where, like she said, that won't go to pulse. 173 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,000 And I don't want this to be so prescriptive that it doesn't allow for me to speak directly. 174 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:31,000 We've been encouraged to speak directly with department heads and this policy has written certainly doesn't reflect that. 175 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:37,000 And that's been a very strong message from the CAO, like pick up the phone and call. 176 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Whatever department head in this doesn't read that way. 177 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:53,000 To me, so that one and just the whole intent of essentially telling us we don't go directly to administration. 178 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,000 It's contrary to what we've been verbally told. 179 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Through the chair to Councillor Loana, Boose. Sorry, is that that's number six or number 12? 180 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Well, 12, but also number six, as well, request to meet with administration to be submitted to the CAO, that's contradictory to what we've verbally been told. 181 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000 And encourage to do. 182 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Through the chair to the Councillor, if it's, if you'd like to change it, we can certainly, we can certainly be amended. 183 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:42,000 Well, I guess that, like, some clarity, what, what you really want. Part of me. 184 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Councillor Conda, we could actually take it back, right. 185 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Through the chair to the Councillors. 186 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000 You could, yes. 187 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:59,000 The intent, certainly, behind that number six is again, it's, it's more of. 188 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Ensuring that if there's information that's being shared from administration that all of council is receiving the same information. 189 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:22,000 So, if we're able to coordinate it through a central body, the CAO's office, or council relations, then we're able to also follow up and ensure that if there's been a discussion on particular topic, that that information can be shared with everyone. 190 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:28,000 It's not intended to be restrictive, it's more intended so that we're able to. 191 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:34,000 To, to track and to share that information. 192 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000 In terms of a change of language. 193 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:48,000 If not a suggesting perhaps a shall be coordinated through the CAO, any kind of meeting or a class, the office of the CAO, would that be more preferable in terms of language? 194 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:58,000 That is, that what you just said is contradictory to what I see aO buts. 195 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Has told us and shared with us. 196 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:07,000 So, Jody has said, oh, I got the phone and call, Elliot. 197 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000 You don't have to go through me. 198 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000 That's not how this reads. 199 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:18,000 It reads opposite that if I want to talk to Lori or anybody. 200 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,000 I got to say to Jody, hey, I want to talk to Lori. 201 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000 But Jody has said to us, you don't need to go through me. 202 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Just come phone and call her. 203 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,000 And I get the piece about if it's an inquired, we put it to an audience so she can track it. 204 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000 I understand all that. 205 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:46,000 But what you have in number six is directly contradictory to what I see, buts has told us in meetings. 206 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 So I don't know what you want. 207 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,000 I don't know what, like what's the real wish, Jody. 208 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:59,000 Yeah, through the chair to Council of the Water and to all of Council will be happy to take this back. 209 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000 And we look at it and consider those comments. 210 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000 For sure. 211 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000 We certainly want to be on the same page on this. 212 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000 Yeah. 213 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000 We will be happy to take it back. 214 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,000 Okay. 215 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Thank you. 216 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,000 Thanks. 217 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Thank you. 218 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,000 Thank you. 219 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 The Council of the Water. 220 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 Thank you. 221 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Thank you. 222 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000 I guess just continuing on. 223 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:37,000 I think the issue was there have been CEOs in the past that have instructed people not to talk to Council, especially lands. 224 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:46,000 So I've had directors tell me that a certain CAO or CEOs have been instructed them not to speak to me. 225 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,000 And I'm not sure if I'm the only one. 226 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 But I think that's why it might be in there. 227 00:35:52,000 --> 00:36:02,000 So, ICO, but has been very clear that we can communicate directly with Director Farkis in or Smith. 228 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:12,000 So, I don't know how you fix this because the next CAO may come in and change it back. 229 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:21,000 If I may through the chair to Councilor Lance Busier, I think that's the point of the intent of this policy and through good policy governance. 230 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Those changes would be limited. 231 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:36,000 It would take a decision of Council to make those changes versus the CAO unless this is really just speaking towards the role and the interaction between through the CAO but between Council and administration. 232 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000 So, we'll happy to take this back. 233 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Dad, it was not expecting to hit the mark right off the bat. 234 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,000 We'll keep going at this and we'll work at it. 235 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000 Thank you, ICO, what's in Councilor Busier. 236 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,000 Councillor Allen. 237 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Thank you through the chair. 238 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:07,000 I just actually comment that I'm a wee bit disappointed that we actually have to come up with a policy like this and a procedure for something that is clearly written and defined in the municipal government act. 239 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:17,000 But I do understand that there's previous councils and where there were issues around this so having defined as our own policy is. 240 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:23,000 It's probably not a bad step and I support it from that perspective. 241 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:41,000 I guess from what the ICO set just indicated is your preference then that we were to refer this back to administration until future meeting to review those points or do we still want to debate for approval tonight. 242 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000 Through the chair to Councilor Allen. 243 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:49,000 I would be happy to take this back directed by Council to take this back and for future meeting. 244 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Okay, well based on the couple of points that were made. 245 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:02,000 I don't want to get into a huge debate on that now about amending the policy in this meeting because really this is something we should all be doing anyhow. 246 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000 I know from past history I've always been told. 247 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Yes, no harm in speaking with department heads and getting that information directly. 248 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Just don't direct them you know that's not our role our role is to as a group to come up with a resolution. 249 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Refer that give that back to the CAO and he's the one who is going to act on that resolution. 250 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,000 So no individual councilor has has the authority or the right to direct anybody including the CAO. 251 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:43,000 So certainly I don't know if anyone has anything else to say I don't see anyone else in the list, but I'm prepared to make a motion to refer this back to administration to come back to future date. 252 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:53,000 I would say no later than four weeks from now if that gives you enough time and and then bring it back again for Council's review. 253 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Thank you, Councillor Allen, do we have a second for that. 254 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:11,000 We'll just put the motion up on the board. 255 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Councillor Scott. 256 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Yeah, that was a second. 257 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. 258 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:30,000 Any discussion debate of council on this motion? 259 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,000 I think like, I mean, just council. 260 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:48,000 I did want to say a couple things about the importance of the connection with the community and not getting a slap on the hand when you want to talk to a director when it comes to request just some information sharing. 261 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:58,000 And also, you know, how much we could utilize each other and move things forward for the residents and thanks for bringing the motion forward. 262 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Councillor Allen and I'll support it. Thanks, as it is. 263 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Thank you, Councillor Cardinal. Just something for clarification for myself. I'll be supporting this motion. 264 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:19,000 When we're talking about the numbers and the points, the point six was that just a reiteration of the MGA stating that the CAO is there's one employee and it's the CAO. 265 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Because it would be my understanding that the CAO would then, as we've talked about, ICO, but it's giving us lineage to actually to leading needs to talk to the directors. 266 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,000 It would be under their advisement how we were directed to handle or talk to staff. 267 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Is that kind of what we're trying to prescribe here? 268 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000 To the chair, yes, that's correct. 269 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:47,000 I think as Councillor Allen put it quite perfectly. It's the intent is that you can have those conversations, but it's not for directing staff. 270 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:57,000 Okay. So, in terms of just, again, trying to work through the CAO's office in coordination of the meetings or the inquiries and things like that. 271 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,000 We just want to ensure that when there's these conversations happening, that all of the same information is being shared with all members of council. 272 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,000 As we are obliged, none of the MGA to do so, and it allows us to track the inquiries. 273 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:22,000 And it also just gives the CAO's office just an additional organizational, we're able to interject with other information as well that other departments may not be aware of. 274 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:35,000 So, the intent is not to musl or stifle the conversation, the intent is to make sure that the information is being shared and that it is more collaborative. 275 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:41,000 So, we can certainly refine the language, so that's clear to address the concerns of Councillor of the council. 276 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:49,000 Awesome. Thank you. And just going away, I do support also Councillor the one is messaging number 12 and so. 277 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,000 Thank you. Any other questions or debate points from council? 278 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:01,000 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. 279 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:27,000 Councillor Scott, thank you. And that was passed unanimously. 280 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000 Awesome. 281 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:42,000 We now have by law number 26 slash is zero zero two amendment to assessment review board by law number 18 slash is zero one seven, which is being presented for the first second and third readings tonight. 282 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,000 I'd like to invite legislative services to introduce the report, please introduce yourself and go ahead whenever you're ready. 283 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:54,000 Thank you. 284 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:14,000 Good afternoon, council. I'm Jade Brown chief legislative officer here to provide a brief overview of the proposed amendment to the assessment review board by law by law number 26 zero zero two as well as touch on item seven point four regarding appointments to the local assessment review board. 285 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,000 The by law amendment before council this evening is presented for consideration of all three readings. 286 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:30,000 If approved, the amendment would enable council to appoint assessment review board members for a specified term or a specific purpose. 287 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:41,000 As a note assessment review boards in Alberta are independent quasi judicial bodies established under the municipal government act to hear and decide property assessment complaints. 288 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:48,000 August 15, the local assessment review board conducted three hearings after these decisions were issued by the board. 289 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,000 The complainant sought judicial review of them. 290 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000 The court subsequently. 291 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Quashed all three decisions and directed that the matters be reheard by the board. 292 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,000 At the December nice council meeting, new members were appointed to the assessment review board. 293 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:15,000 These individuals are not yet certified under provincial legislation to participate in these hearings as a required training has not yet been delivered by the government of Alberta. 294 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:22,000 External legal council has reviewed the situation and recommends that the by law amendment before you this evening be approved. 295 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:30,000 The amendment would allow council to appoint qualified members from the Edmonton assessment review board to re hear these three files. 296 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000 This is a common practice amongst other jurisdictions. 297 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:41,000 It's important to note that the members who participated in the original hearings are not eligible to take part in the re hearing process. 298 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:56,000 Should council approve the by law amendment tonight item 7.4 proposes the formal appointment of two members from the Edmonton assessment review board specific to hear those files as recommended by the board's external legal council. 299 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000 Thank you. 300 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Thank you. 301 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,000 Thank you, Seal of Brown. Members of Council, as his bylaw, is proposed for all three readings tonight. It's important to note that the bylaw must receive unanimous consent for consideration on the third reading in order to proceed to the third reading. 302 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:29,000 We will begin with the first reading, following the first reading and before considering the second reading, we'll hear from delegates and the council have an opportunity at that point to ask questions. 303 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:39,000 Can I have someone make the motion for the first reading, following the first reading, and before consideration of the second reading, we'll hear from any delegates and questions they may have from council. 304 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000 We'll also have someone make the motion for the first reading. Councilor Scott. 305 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000 Yeah, so moved for first reading. 306 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. 307 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000 Thank you for the second Councillor Lanzbusier. 308 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000 After the second reading. 309 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,000 As is the first reading, there's no opportunity for delegates or questions at this point, so I'll call for a vote. 310 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000 And that's past unanimously. 311 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Thank you. 312 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,000 Someone make the motion for the second reading of bylaw number 26 slash 002, please. 313 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000 Councillor Scott. 314 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Yeah, I moved for second reading. 315 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. 316 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000 Thank you for the second Councillor Luanobusier. 317 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Do you have any delegates for this item? 318 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000 There are no registered delegates for this item. Thank you. 319 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,000 Thank you. 320 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,000 Are there any discussion debate points or comments from members of council? Council cardinal. 321 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000 I have more of a question. 322 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:03,000 I guess today about the committee policy term review that we're doing. 323 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,000 Is there going to go align with any of that stuff for term wise? 324 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,000 Through the chair to Councillor Allen, the committee's reviews that we've undertaken. 325 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000 Council cardinal. 326 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,000 Council cardinal, sorry, my apologies. 327 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,000 The committee's review does not cover any of the quasi judicial tribunals. 328 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:27,000 These tribunals are set up by the municipal government act, so they're dictated by legislation. 329 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000 The terms of appointments. 330 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000 I think that can be reviewed. 331 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:38,000 However, in this case, it's not a matter of the terms of appointment. 332 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,000 I think the matter is specific to the timing of when the court decision came out. 333 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,000 And when the reherings need to occur. 334 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000 So the court decision came out early December and the hearings are happening. 335 00:47:50,000 --> 00:48:01,000 Or to be happening the end of January, which gives us a very limited timeframe to find qualified members under the provincial certification. 336 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000 Our provincial certification is begin in March as the earliest date. 337 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,000 So we have this finite time period in between because the assessment review board. 338 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000 Process usually kicks off annually in April. 339 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,000 So there's no hearings to the same committee members. 340 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,000 I mean assessment board members, Dale. 341 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,000 They would go through the process, so they would be appointed for two year terms by council. 342 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,000 Yeah, that's all thanks for these specific appointments for clarity. 343 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:40,000 These members would be appointed for the specified specific terms to fill those files to re-here those files only. 344 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,000 So they may only be appointed for a very finite period of time. 345 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,000 Rather than two years. 346 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,000 Thank you. 347 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000 Thanks, Councillor Carter. 348 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000 Councillor Allen. 349 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000 Thank you. 350 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000 I just I get more just for the record. 351 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:04,000 I'm assuming that there'll be some cost implication or some budgetary. 352 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,000 And would just come out of emerging issues or would it be coming out of an existing fund for boards and committees. 353 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,000 Because obviously, we would have some expenses for these individuals from evidence. 354 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000 Through the chair. Thank you for the question, Councillor Allen. 355 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,000 We have budget to cover this. 356 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000 We do have some costs associated for reimbursing members. 357 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000 The sit to here and decide appeals. 358 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:35,000 It's my understanding that most of the tribunals across Alberta use the same modeling, which is set out by the province. 359 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,000 So it should be much in line with how we pay our local members. 360 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:46,000 And with respect to the hearing itself, it is virtual. 361 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000 Okay. 362 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000 Well, perfect. 363 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,000 And no issues with the previous mistake. 364 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,000 He's also young and good looking. 365 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000 So I accept that. 366 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,000 Thank you. 367 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,000 Thank you for the answer. 368 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,000 Any other comments, questions or debate points by council. 369 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:20,000 Seeing that, I'll call for a vote for the second reading. 370 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000 And that was passed unanimously. Thank you. 371 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:31,000 As a reminder, consideration of third and final reading of the Bala must receive unanimous consent in order to proceed. 372 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,000 Can I have someone make the motion for consideration of the third reading? 373 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000 Councillor Scott. 374 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000 Yeah, I move the third reading be considered. 375 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. 376 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:51,000 And thank you for a second, Councillor Brent. 377 00:50:51,000 --> 00:51:00,000 Is there any debate, discussion or comments of council? 378 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:15,000 Seeing that, I'll call for a vote. 379 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000 Council party, in favor. 380 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000 Thank you. 381 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000 And that was passed unanimously. 382 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,000 Thank you. 383 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,000 We did. 384 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,000 Can I have someone make the motion for the third reading? 385 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000 Please. 386 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000 Councillor Allen. 387 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000 Thank you. 388 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000 I've moved it by law number twenty-slick at twenty six slash zero zero two. 389 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,000 Be read at the third and final time. 390 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,000 Thank you, Councillor Allen. 391 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,000 Thanks for the second. 392 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,000 Councillor the want to boost you. 393 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:54,000 Is there any debate, discussion or comments from council? 394 00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:06,000 Seeing none, I'll call for the vote. 395 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,000 Council. 396 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,000 Thank you. 397 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000 You're in favor. 398 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000 And that was passed unanimously. 399 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000 Thank you. 400 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,000 Next we have a report on local assessment review board. 401 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000 I'd like to invite legislators to introduce the report. 402 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000 Please introduce yourself and go ahead when you're ready. 403 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000 Thank you. 404 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000 Thank you. 405 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000 Through the chair and if council would indulge me by staying here would be helpful. 406 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000 Thank you so much. 407 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000 So this is in line with the report. 408 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,000 That was just presented to council as noted. 409 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,000 There are two members from the Edmonton assessment review boards who are available and willing 410 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,000 to sit to re-here these three specific files. 411 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000 The hearings are set for the end of January so that we can conclude the matter prior 412 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000 to entering into the twenty twenty six assessments. 413 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000 Thank you. 414 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000 Thanks, Yellow Brown. 415 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:01,000 Any questions of council for the presenter? 416 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000 Any delegates for the sign? 417 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000 There are no registered delegates. 418 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000 Thank you. 419 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000 Thanks so much. 420 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000 Can I have someone make the motion please? 421 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000 Councillor Scott. 422 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,000 I make the motion. 423 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. 424 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,000 Seconded by Luana Councillor Luana Boose. 425 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,000 Thank you so much. 426 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,000 Any discussion? 427 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000 Did pay points or comments from council? 428 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,000 Not seeing any. 429 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000 I'll call for vote. 430 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,000 Thank you, Councillor Vardy. 431 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000 And that's passing unanimously. 432 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000 Thank you so much. 433 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,000 All right. 434 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000 Moving on to Councillor's motions. 435 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,000 Moving on to item eight point one. 436 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,000 Councillor's motions. 437 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,000 I'll ask Councillor Kendrick Cardinal to read out your motion please. 438 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000 Just one moment please. 439 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000 Councillor Allen. 440 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000 Thank you. 441 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000 We're open through the chair at this point. 442 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,000 Thank you. 443 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000 Thank you. 444 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000 Thank you. 445 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000 Thank you. 446 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,000 Thank you. 447 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,000 Thank you. 448 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000 Okay. 449 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:38,000 Thank you. 450 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,000 Are we ready? 451 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,000 One, two seconds. 452 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,000 Thank you. 453 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,000 I'm just looking at it. 454 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,000 Thank you. 455 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000 Thank you. 456 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000 I'm just looking at that. 457 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000 Good. 458 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,000 I can't count the cardinal. 459 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,000 Thank you, Mayor. 460 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:05,000 Deputy Mayor Wigel. 461 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000 Okay. 462 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,000 Transportation and shuttle services in Fort Chip, Fort McIe. 463 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000 We're as a community, a Fort Chip one. 464 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,000 We lack transportation services for residents to travel within the community. 465 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,360 And there are limited transportation options available for travel between Fort McIe and Fort 466 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,640 McMurray. 467 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,280 Therefore, be it resolved that administration be directed to explore and provide recommendations 468 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,680 on the establishment of community transit system in Fort Chip one. 469 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:39,440 Be it further resolved that administration be directed to explore and provide recommendations 470 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,440 regarding the provisions of shuttle services between Fort McIe and Fort McMurray. 471 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,440 And that administration present its findings and recommendations to council in later 472 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:55,440 than March 31st, 2026. 473 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,440 Thank you, Councillor Cardinal. 474 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:02,440 Can you get a second? 475 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,440 Thank you. 476 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,440 Councillor Marcel. 477 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,440 Councillor Cardinal. 478 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,440 Would you like to speak to your motion? 479 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,440 Well, certainly. 480 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,440 Thank you. 481 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:22,440 I just wanted to reiterate some of the important requests that came to me as a council member for my ward. 482 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:28,440 And how important it is to hear the residents out and provide some servicing for transportation. 483 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:35,440 I know that there hasn't been any services at all in the community of Fort Chip one. 484 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,440 And it's maybe slightly somewhat in the Fort McIe. 485 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,440 I think it's important that we hear it provides some transportation to the residents. 486 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,440 I did reach out to some residents and they're here to delegate tonight. 487 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,440 So I think that I'd like to hear from them. 488 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,440 Hopefully we can have a motion pass. 489 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,440 So that's all I've got to say. 490 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,440 Thanks. 491 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,440 Thank you, Councillor Cardinal. 492 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,440 We have a couple of delegates for this item. 493 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,440 Yeah. 494 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,440 Kind of. 495 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,440 Bar of harm. 496 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,440 Hermanson. 497 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,440 Sorry. 498 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,440 Vite. 499 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,440 MS teams. 500 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,440 Hello, Miss Hermison. 501 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,440 Please state your name for the record. 502 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,440 And just a reminder of five minutes to make your submission. 503 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,440 And please just stay on the line afterwards. 504 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,440 Remain for questions of council. 505 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,440 Thank you. 506 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,440 I'm Barbara. 507 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,440 Can you please. 508 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,440 Yes. 509 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,440 We. 510 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,440 The big demand to have this shuttle in this community. 511 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:47,440 Because there's a lot of people going out and doing their appointments and even for some of the younger people. 512 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,440 But for elders we are very. 513 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,440 We need this. 514 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,440 And big demand. 515 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,440 Thank you, Miss Hermison. 516 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,440 Are there any questions for the presenter? 517 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,440 Yeah, I do. 518 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,440 Yeah. 519 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,440 Go ahead, can't. 520 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,440 That's a hurdle. 521 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,440 Good. 522 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,440 Thanks. 523 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,440 Thanks. 524 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,440 Bar for your presentation. 525 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,440 I guess my first question is. 526 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,440 Do we have any. 527 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:23,440 Taxi services in for chip and how do you get around the community along with some of the elders that are. 528 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,440 Also struggling and disabled. 529 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,440 If we have no taxi services in for chip at all. 530 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,440 And I will I'll just use myself. 531 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,440 I haven't been out of the house since December that can't I finally went out today. 532 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,440 Because there's no way if you don't have a vehicle for second home. 533 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,440 And I think that's very hard on. 534 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,440 Mental for you know people. 535 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,440 We need to socialize. 536 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,440 There was a meeting yesterday. 537 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,440 It was a meeting at Ken and with a very important meeting at the hall. 538 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,440 I couldn't go. 539 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,440 That was drug and alcohol. 540 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,440 Abuse and stuff and I couldn't go. 541 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,440 And as being a native director. 542 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,440 Leadership. 543 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,440 I couldn't be there. 544 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,440 So this is really big demand. 545 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,440 And it's for people that, you know, we can't go to the pool. 546 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,440 The gym. 547 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,440 You know, we can't so. 548 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,440 It's it's very frustrating. 549 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,440 And we just got to try to. 550 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:32,440 We need that shuttle services and for the community for the whole community. 551 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,440 You know, I. 552 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,440 Yes. 553 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,440 No, that's that's my question. 554 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,440 I guess so. 555 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,440 Another thing would be, you know, I know that there's a barrier to get to the airport. 556 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,440 There are places like the grocery store and. 557 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,440 To the hospital. 558 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,440 So. 559 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,440 I just want to mention that as well. 560 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,440 Thanks. 561 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,440 Thanks. 562 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,440 Thanks. 563 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,440 Uh. 564 00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,440 Oh, can't. 565 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:14,800 No. Thank you, Mr. Winston. No other questions? Next up is Shane Bushain. Reminder Shane to please take your name 566 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,160 before the record and reminder you have five minutes to make your submission. Following your 567 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,840 submission, please remain available for questions to council. Next, Shane. I'm Shane 568 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:30,280 Bushain. I'm a local here from Fort McReel, Bertha. Good evening, council. I'm here in 569 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:40,520 sports of Councillor Cardnell's motion to final motion to pass. Okay, where am I? Two established 570 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:46,320 transit in Fort McReel. My testimony here from Fort McReel serves as crucial warning without 571 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:52,400 the right design or new transit services, rule of treat dangerous failures that we are currently facing 572 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,880 through. I personally face retaliation for reporting these failures and I'm here to ensure 573 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:04,800 that no other residents receive in our region faces the same neglect. The current transit system in 574 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:12,400 on demand module is a blueprint to avoid non-dissemory nights in minus 33 Celsius with windshield. 575 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:19,840 Bus refused to open the doors and leave me stranded after a 30 minute wait. This is direct. This 576 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:29,440 is a direct life threats in safety failure. The system reports. The system response was not 577 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,360 in apology or effects. It was a trespassing warning effect. It was trying to silence the 578 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,980 citizen instead of addressing the hazard. The technology is unreliable. Schedule in as 579 01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:48,700 meaningless and serves and service excludes anyone without that cannot wait and definitely outdoors 580 01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:53,500 in weather conditions or navigator broken out. This model is what we must avoid when 581 01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:58,780 expanding to our region on the neighbors. My experience is that here in Fort McReel are directly 582 01:01:58,780 --> 01:02:03,980 applicable to the residents in Fort McReel and Fort McRoy. A non-reliable transit system 583 01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:12,380 or lack of one entirely, it does three things that I say are most vulnerable. Populations, seniors, 584 01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:17,740 peoples with disabilities and single parent families are those without means, turns our minus 30 585 01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:23,340 weather into a life falter and third and end barriers for groceries, medications, schools, 586 01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:29,740 and that of work. We cannot claim to support regional equality while maintaining a broken system 587 01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:34,380 in the center of our municipality. I urge council to pass Councillor Cardinals' motion, 588 01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:39,100 but I ask that you amend it with a crucial lesson from current failures. 589 01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:43,260 Expand the motions to direct to include the independent safety and quality of review of 590 01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:47,900 an existing non-abans services to ensure recommendations for Fort McRoy and Fort McRoy and 591 01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:55,100 prior to rise reliable, scheduled and accessible services from day one, not a flawed experiment. 592 01:02:55,100 --> 01:03:00,380 We have a chance to make this right for all communities around and let Fort McRoy's painful experience 593 01:03:00,380 --> 01:03:05,980 be a lesson and guide us to better standards. Pass the motion that not only explores any services, 594 01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:17,740 but flicks the flawed failers. That's not only explorers to new services, but flicks the fundamental 595 01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:22,380 flawed harm and citizens right now. Let's build our transit that connects and protects everyone in 596 01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:27,340 Woodbufflow. Thank you. Thank you, Shane. That was an overracking. 597 01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:32,300 Are there any questions for the presenter? 598 01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:40,060 Good afternoon, Councillor Cardinals. I guess I just want to question your experience with 599 01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:44,620 current system that we have, I guess I know that you're speaking. 600 01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:49,900 Well, the current system that we have, I agree with everything that it has, and I do agree that 601 01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:54,140 to have an extended to other communities, not only to Fort McRoy and Fort McRoy and Fort McRoy and Fort McRoy, 602 01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:58,140 but what about adds to a concle and injury and self-reg that as well, right? There's still 603 01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:04,220 people out there that need to come into from town to work. So, it just needs adjustments to 604 01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:11,420 re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-fix, I think, and we can probably make that happen to the outer regions and 605 01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:17,340 awesome. Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions of Council? 606 01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:27,020 Yes, for some sort of an amendment, can we have administration follow up with that 607 01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:30,700 suggestion that you've been talking about the transit system? And what was the amendment you were 608 01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:38,460 looking for? Well, it may be not an amendment at this time, but specifically to reach out to chain to 609 01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:44,540 see some of his input because I know that it's valuable and there's always been some barriers with 610 01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:50,620 the transit system locally as well. So, I'll reach out to them and then we can coordinate with the 611 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:55,260 administration. Sounds great. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you. Any other questions for the 612 01:04:55,260 --> 01:05:01,500 presenter? I'll see you now. Thanks so much, Shane. You appreciate the presentation. Thank you. 613 01:05:10,060 --> 01:05:13,580 I don't see any more delegates. Any other questions, comments or debate points by Council? 614 01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:25,420 No, I got a quick question about the date. If it's specific to Fort Chippon and 615 01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:36,220 Northward McCoy at this point, can I ask whether or not the other communities are actually 616 01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:42,780 getting them? Like, as a John B. and Conflon? That question to administration? Yeah. 617 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:59,260 Great question. Sorry. Through the chair to Council Cardinal, a great question and absolutely 618 01:05:59,260 --> 01:06:05,580 Anzac Gilly, John B. and Conflon is indeed receiving real transit, not within the community, 619 01:06:05,580 --> 01:06:13,500 but from, say, John B. A to Fort McCoy. What's the whole often, is that happening? 620 01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:21,180 So, what are the real transit chooses in the 30s? We hit John B. A and on the way there and on the way back, 621 01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:26,700 obviously Anzac and Gilly. And as well, when's these approaches? We go as far as Conflon and again, 622 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:32,220 on the way there and the way back, we at Anzac and Gilly. So, we do have those routes. We transport 623 01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:37,740 around 1900. We do around 1900 rides per year. So, we do have a real transit that's the in place, 624 01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:44,940 absolutely, as it is today. Okay. Now, I think it's important to note that as phase two of the 625 01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:51,660 transit master plan, we're going to do further engagement with rural. So, when we do that engagement with rural, 626 01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:57,580 we'll take that feedback and we'll prove it as part of the transit master plan. So, that's in the 627 01:06:57,580 --> 01:07:05,340 works to do further engagement with our rural communities. At this point, how many times does the 628 01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:12,380 transit system even go to Fort McCoy? Because I'm hearing it does and then I'm hearing it doesn't. 629 01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:17,660 Through a shared council cardinal, an absolute does. Every Thursday, every week of the year. 630 01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:25,260 Okay. So, if there's feedback, I guess it's a good school of policy because, uh, 631 01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:31,900 yeah, there's a good policy if you have any feedback right now. Through the shared council cardinal, 632 01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:36,860 if there is any feedback, you definitely can go to policy policy, the main contact for the municipality. 633 01:07:36,860 --> 01:07:41,580 There's also ways that you can reach out to transit. You can reach out to IRR or to Anzac. 634 01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:45,900 Or any feedback that you have, you can let us know, and we can take that and again, 635 01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:51,420 as a part of the master plan, we can readjust or take a look at what makes sense to 636 01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:59,340 prefer to do better service in those areas, absolutely. I know what we had discussions before. 637 01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:10,220 What was your guys' considerations around transportation in our own Fort Chip and the frequency of it? 638 01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:16,860 Through a shared council cardinal to my experience, we've never had transit within 639 01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:23,980 Fort Chip on itself. In 2017, we did do a pilot, which began, which I believe was in June. 640 01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:29,180 We implemented a pilot bringing people from Fort Chip on the Fort Smith and ran for two months, 641 01:08:29,180 --> 01:08:33,020 very, very low ridership. I think it was only 15 people in those three four months. 642 01:08:33,020 --> 01:08:39,180 So, it was decided not to continue. It was my understanding that up until recently, 643 01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:48,140 the traffic, the taxi service provided that in within the community, however, is no longer there. 644 01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:52,860 So, we never ever did it in Fort Chip on itself. At one point in time, many years ago, we looked at 645 01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:58,060 from Fort McMurge, Fort Chip 1. However, over the winter road, or as you can appreciate, 646 01:08:58,060 --> 01:09:03,580 there's a slew of risk and insurance issues as well. So, that didn't really take off the ground either. 647 01:09:03,580 --> 01:09:08,780 So, it's been looked in the past, in 2021, when we did the initial engagement with TNP. 648 01:09:08,780 --> 01:09:15,660 We did contact rural outlets, and again, phase two, we'll do more engagement and get that feedback. 649 01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:22,780 Thank you, Councillor Carynell. Councillor Vardy. 650 01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:29,500 Thank you. I have a question for Councillor Carynell and a question for administration. First, I'd like to 651 01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:35,180 thank Councillor Carynell for bringing this forward. Rural transportation is a huge issue and it's 652 01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:45,020 something that we have to bring forward. So, first, Councillor Carynell, why are you looking at 653 01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:52,620 transit first and not something like a shuttle service or as providing subsidy for another taxi company? 654 01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:53,980 Why jumping to transit first? 655 01:09:54,460 --> 01:10:03,340 Well, just being the local in the community, I see where that ticket possibly, it's a good work there. 656 01:10:03,340 --> 01:10:11,900 So, the shuttle service, I believe, is more feasible for Fort Chip 1. I have never out through the community 657 01:10:11,900 --> 01:10:19,100 from the airport to the medical center and then to the grocery store, right? And then, or I could be on demand 658 01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:24,780 one or the other, but as long as we could find the answers and talk to the residents and see what 659 01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:27,420 they would like. Hopefully, we could make it happen. 660 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:34,860 Okay, I'm happy. I'm happy to hear that because what I don't want is I don't want us to 661 01:10:35,660 --> 01:10:42,220 have a solution for a problem that we don't fully understand. And so my next question actually is for 662 01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:47,180 administration. So, director Smith, you know, I have had conversations about rural transit and you 663 01:10:47,180 --> 01:10:52,300 talked about phase two of transit master plan will be focused on improving our rural. 664 01:10:54,300 --> 01:11:03,180 Are we able to expand those conversations during our engagement to include options like subsidized 665 01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:10,700 taxis, shuttle service or do we explicitly have to keep it transit or can we expand it to see what 666 01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:13,820 the community actually wants in terms of improving transportation? 667 01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:24,140 Through the Chair of Council of Rarity, absolutely, and I enjoyed those conversations. We've 668 01:11:24,140 --> 01:11:30,220 had regarding transit. When we go to the community, we get that feedback and absolutely, when we come 669 01:11:30,220 --> 01:11:34,620 back to Council of recommendations, it may not be a fixed transit route, it may not be 670 01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:38,700 transit operators that's providing that service. Our recommendation, we could have two or three 671 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:43,980 recommendations, and indeed, in a smaller community such as this, it might be more advantageous 672 01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:49,260 and economical feasible to provide some type of subsidy, under percent. And when we look through 673 01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:53,420 to Canada coast to coast, that's typically what happens in smaller communities. 674 01:11:55,340 --> 01:12:01,340 Thank you, director Smith. When are you hoping to do phase two of this engagement with our rural communities 675 01:12:01,420 --> 01:12:08,380 which has a massive impact? Through the Chair of Council of Rarity, we don't have a specific date yet 676 01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:14,540 that I can inform you. Our intention currently is to come back to Council in March with a six-month, 677 01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:21,100 essentially, update of our phase one went. We're going to get to provide you how the successes, 678 01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:26,060 how we're going to improve what it looks like in the future. It takes some feedback and the phase two, 679 01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:31,580 then, would include our rural. So don't have a specific date, but it will, it will be 100 percent 680 01:12:31,580 --> 01:12:40,860 when in 2026. Thank you. With this comment, I guess, is more towards Kendrick with respect to the 681 01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:46,620 timeline that director Smith just gave us. And you're willing to be a little bit open about what it is. 682 01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:51,340 It doesn't have to be transit. It could be a shuttle, it could be a cab, depending on what it is 683 01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:59,420 that the community wants. Would you be open to, if this motion fails, bringing another motion forward 684 01:12:59,420 --> 01:13:07,420 to ask administration to do a community engagement within the next couple of months, not the late of 685 01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:14,060 26, like director Smith said, but something a little bit sooner, so we can get this fall this fall rolling. 686 01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:19,340 Again, I'm not comfortable supporting this motion as it stands, not because I don't believe the 687 01:13:19,340 --> 01:13:24,380 transportation is important. In our role, I absolutely believe that. The reason I can't support it 688 01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:29,340 is I feel like we're putting a solution first before we understand the problem itself. I'd like to take 689 01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:35,740 it back, talk to community, figure out what they want first, and then use that information to build 690 01:13:35,820 --> 01:13:48,780 the best plan forward. No, I won't be for that. No, I, you could, I'm okay with not having 691 01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:54,540 support at some point, but I mean, we'll be debatable, but I think that the importance of having 692 01:13:56,540 --> 01:14:02,540 this as it stands is because I know the issue that's that's in the community, and 693 01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:09,980 I, whether it's a shuttle van that goes to the community, that the residents are the ones that 694 01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:15,900 ask me to do this, and I think having a motion in place and having a direction for the 695 01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:22,780 administration to follow. I think that's the important part, and I sometimes, you know, we need to 696 01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:29,900 have the accountability aspect of everything in the council chambers, so I just feel that 697 01:14:30,620 --> 01:14:39,260 we could, we've had discussions, you and I, we both had discussions with administration, 698 01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:45,900 and I'm given the direction to administration to find the answers, and hopefully they can come 699 01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:50,300 every church community like they do with every other motion that's brought to the table. You have the 700 01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:57,020 motion, give direction, find the answer, and if it's not, if it's not found, then they bring back 701 01:14:57,020 --> 01:15:00,140 the feasibility study, and they'll, yeah. 702 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:26,000 Okay, I have one more, thank you, Councillor Carter. Cardinal, I will actually respect that. My question is for administration. So, as this motion is, I'm reading it as if this is approved that you will only be looking at the option for a transit service in courtship. 703 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:42,000 We would not be looking at a shuttle service or a subsidized taxi in courtship, and that you would only be looking at exploring a shuttle service in Fort McCoy, and you wouldn't be exploring any other recommendations. It would just be those avenues. 704 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:50,000 Am I correct in saying that or would this motion, would you provide a whole level of recommendations across the board? 705 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,000 Through the chair of Councillor Vardy, yeah, we would be restricted to the wording of the motion. 706 01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:18,000 So, your description there is accurate. I would just remind that we currently have a shuttle system within Fort McCoy, and so I would suggest that we're already accomplishing that part of this motion. 707 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:30,000 It's, it's too political. Okay, I'll wait for our debate to go back and forth. Thank you very much for answering my questions. 708 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,000 Thank you, Councillor Vardy. Council, I want to be safe. 709 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:40,000 Thank you, Deputy Mayor. 710 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:48,000 I see, but you just said within McCoy, we don't have one within McCoy, we have one back and forth. 711 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,000 Is that not, do we have one within? 712 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,000 Through the chair of the Council of the Law on a Boose, no, we don't have one within. 713 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,000 Thank you. 714 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,000 It's back and forth. 715 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,000 Okay. So, this is to direct or smith. 716 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:14,000 It's my understanding that in 2025 for McCoy riders on the shuttle, number eight riders total. 717 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,000 Through the chair of the Council, yes, eight for a year. 718 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,000 Eight riders and 68,000 dollars. 719 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,000 Is that correct? 720 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,000 Through the chair, you are correct. 721 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:27,000 Can you help me understand how it works? 722 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:33,000 It's every Friday, the shuttle in McCoy or back and forth, not within two. 723 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,000 McCoy is Friday's. 724 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000 Through the chair to Council of the Boose, it's Friday's. 725 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:47,000 So, absolutely, we leave Fort McCoy in the afternoon, I do believe we're in three o'clock. 726 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,000 If there's past years, we come, obviously we come back. 727 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000 If there's past year, it comes back with us. 728 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:57,000 And then using around six on the clock, we'll do another trip out Fort McCoy and back to Fort McMurray again. 729 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,000 And that's every week. 730 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,000 That's every week, yes. 731 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:07,000 It's not to be critical, but is there a reason that there wouldn't be like a required booking. 732 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,000 So, it's not just like eight people in a year. 733 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:15,000 That bus goes back and forth empty on a regular basis. 734 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,000 Is there a reason? 735 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:22,000 It wouldn't be that they have to call by Wednesday to schedule. 736 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:28,000 And that we don't go out there the other 48 weeks that nobody gets talking. 737 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,000 Through the chair to Council of the C.A. 738 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,000 Absolutely. 739 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:36,000 What you're looking at, what you're kind of asking is more of a non-demand. 740 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,000 And in the future in phase two, that's why we would go more towards. 741 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:47,000 However, what we did was this route was inherited from when all of transit used to be contracted out. 742 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,000 And this is a part of a contract. 743 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,000 So we do not provide the service. 744 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,000 This is a service that we use the municipality contract out. 745 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,000 So the contract is already in place for this amount of service. 746 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000 We do specialize to the world as well. 747 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:05,000 And that's where we would do more of the bookings than we do that internally. 748 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,000 So we're at a place now where we're at a world contract. 749 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,000 It's a world with three plus one plus one. 750 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,000 And we're in the second year of the plus one. 751 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:18,000 And this is an opportunity now to get that engagement, to get that targeting engagement, 752 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,000 to get the feedback and make it more efficient. 753 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,000 I understood. 754 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,000 Thank you very much. 755 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:30,000 To direct or freezer, I guess. 756 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:36,000 My one issue with this motion is it needs to be to for me. 757 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:43,000 I'm just wondering director Fraser in your experience. 758 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,000 And relationships with these communities. 759 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:59,000 If this is just explored for for Chippewon and not explored for other hamlets for the in town in Hamlet service. 760 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:03,000 Is that going to raise issues in your opinion. 761 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:13,000 So my question I guess to you is should we be well administration is exploring the value of a shuttle service in for Chippewon. 762 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:21,000 Should it not be engaging in all of the other hamlets as well? 763 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,000 Through the chair to the question. 764 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:30,000 Based on the transit master plan, there will be engagements coming up. 765 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,000 So we will be involved in that. 766 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:41,000 But as far as for Chippewon, there never has been a transit system there. 767 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000 The war the gap has been realized more. 768 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,000 And I lost a while there used to be a taxi cap there. 769 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,000 And probably a year and a half ago that that no longer existed. 770 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:57,000 And so there was a flat fee for within the means within the Hamlet. 771 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,000 And then another flat fee out to the airport. 772 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,000 But that has since the cease to exist. 773 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,000 There was there's another cabin there recently. 774 01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,000 But it lacks a driver here. 775 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,000 Class 4 for a driver. 776 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,000 And the guys son no longer wanted to live there. 777 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:20,000 So there is no driver for that for that taxi. 778 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:26,000 So the other hamlets have those resources like an elder in John Vaking. 779 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,000 Get around within community. 780 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,000 But in Fort Chippewon cannot. 781 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,000 Several of these communities. 782 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,000 They have medical drivers down south. 783 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,000 And I'll just. 784 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:45,000 Just recently some of the advisors reached out to Fort Chippewon in particular. 785 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:50,000 And make a sucre first nation have a bus. 786 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,000 That goes to Theresa Tuckerl School. 787 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,000 As well as accessible van for long-term care. 788 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,000 Center and noone hell. 789 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:04,000 Has two 15 passenger vans that are wheelchair accessible. 790 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,000 At the basketchippewon first nation does not provide any official. 791 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:14,000 Transportation for their members whether they depend on noone for transportation. 792 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,000 And there's also a drama taxi. 793 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:22,000 But that's the one that does not have a driver for a class war. 794 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:29,000 And Fort Chippewon may also have a van that they've had for some time. 795 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,000 But once again, a lax driver with a class 4. 796 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:40,000 And that's just some recent research done by the advisors on the situation in Fort Chippewon. 797 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:46,000 So in your opinion, your professional opinion then director Fraser. 798 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,000 As council card knows motion reads, if we were to approve. 799 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,000 Just exploring in Hamlet transportation option in Fort Chippewon. 800 01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:06,000 Or not creating issues of being exclusive and not being inclusive of the needs of other hamlets. 801 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,000 You're asking for my opinion. 802 01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,000 Yes, sir. 803 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:15,000 Could you reword the question? 804 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,000 I will certainly try. 805 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:27,000 If we just look at Fort Chippewon right now. 806 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,000 Do we have. 807 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:36,000 Are we leaving members of the other hamlets without their needs being met? 808 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,000 If they're excluded. 809 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,000 In my humble opinion, no. 810 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,000 Because there is a trend. 811 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,000 There is a transportation system going south to January a conclin. 812 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,000 As well as stops into as I can daily. 813 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,000 And there is a transportation method for Fort Macay. 814 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,000 Presently now. 815 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,000 I mean within the hamlets. 816 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,000 Like you're talking about taking. 817 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,000 An elder from the airport to. 818 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,000 The arena. 819 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000 The home. 820 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,000 And that's lacking. 821 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,000 But. 822 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000 Is it not lacking in the other hamlets? 823 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000 Or like Azac has a taxi. 824 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,000 They have. 825 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,000 A senior an elder in. 826 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,000 An elder in John VA. 827 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,000 Yeah. 828 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,000 Are there needs met in that regard? 829 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,000 Well, I'll speak for. 830 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000 I shouldn't need to speak for. 831 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,000 But I guess I just know that they. 832 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,000 The higher the taxis. 833 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,000 The taxis. 834 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,000 They got contracts with the taxis. 835 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,000 That's what the taxis going pick them up. 836 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,000 There is. 837 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,000 Okay. 838 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,000 So there needs our met in Hamlet right now. 839 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,000 Yeah. 840 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,000 So it immediately on the spot. 841 01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,000 I just want to be exclusive. 842 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,000 So. 843 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,000 That's fine. 844 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,000 Okay. 845 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,000 Then the motion doesn't need to be split in my mind. 846 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,000 Then I could thank you, Kevin. 847 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,000 Thank you. 848 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,000 Director Frazer and Smith. 849 01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,000 I guess. 850 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,000 One of the things they want to ask. 851 01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,000 Maybe. 852 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,000 Keith again. 853 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,000 Director Smith is. 854 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,000 Uh. 855 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,000 Uh. 856 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,000 Since there's. 857 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,000 That's a little writer experience or. 858 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,000 Writer ship in. 859 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,000 Uh. 860 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,000 The. 861 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,000 The rural communities. 862 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,000 I can. 863 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,000 I can. 864 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000 Maybe ask if. 865 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,000 I are in yourselves. 866 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,000 Maybe coordinate with each other to. 867 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,000 Provide some sort of a correspondence to the community. 868 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,000 Just to remind them that the services there and now to. 869 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000 Maybe. 870 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000 Uh. 871 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,000 Advancet a little bit or revamp it some something like that in all rural. 872 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,000 Is that a part of. 873 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,000 Uh. 874 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,000 Uh. 875 01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,000 T. 876 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,000 M. 877 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,000 Uh. 878 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,000 Uh. 879 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000 Through chair counts card now. 880 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000 Absolutely. 881 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000 Any any any type of. 882 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000 Engagement or consultation or any type of. 883 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,000 Awareness type. 884 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000 We can bring to communities. 885 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000 Uh. 886 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,000 Let's do so. 887 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,000 Uh. 888 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,000 Uh. 889 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,000 Absolutely. 890 01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,000 But the. 891 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,000 Jami and Conchland runs. 892 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000 You know, like I said before, there's. 893 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000 1900. 894 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000 Uh, rise that we do. 895 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000 Uh, per year. 896 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,000 So if you take away any eight. 897 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,000 Uh, for from my former guy, we're still doing close to. 898 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000 1900 rides in the other community. 899 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,000 So it it is used. 900 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,000 It is well used. 901 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,000 If there is more. 902 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,000 Uh, marketing or more engagement that can be done. 903 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,000 And we can increase ridership. 904 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,000 Absolutely. 905 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,000 Thank you. 906 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000 Dr Smith. 907 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,000 Uh. 908 01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,000 Great answer. 909 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,000 Uh. 910 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,000 So I want to ask another thing. 911 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,000 What which was. 912 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,000 It is since contract. 913 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,000 It. 914 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,000 It's important. 915 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,000 Guys is contracted out. 916 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,000 Which is not. 917 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,000 Not. 918 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,000 Not. 919 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,000 Not. 920 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000 Not. 921 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,000 Not. 922 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,000 Not. 923 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,000 Not. 924 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,000 Not. 925 01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,000 Not. 926 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,000 Not. 927 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,000 Not. 928 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,000 Not. 929 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,000 Not. 930 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,000 Not. 931 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,000 Not. 932 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,000 Not. 933 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,000 Not. 934 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,000 Not. 935 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,000 Not. 936 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,000 Not. 937 01:26:54,000 --> 01:27:13,000 Not. 938 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,000 Not. 939 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,000 Not. 940 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,000 Not. 941 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000 No one. 942 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,000 All. 943 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,000 All. 944 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:25,000 to Councilor Cardinal, I believe, the area. Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. Smith. 945 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:29,000 Thanks, Councilor Cardinal. Councilor Lance, please. 946 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:39,760 Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Through the chair to Director Smith. Did you say 1900 rides to the 947 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:48,320 world or 1900 riders? Through the chair to Councilor Busy, a 1900 rides. So basically, it's 948 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:55,320 started to determine, you only pay one way. So it's 13, 51 way from the adult, 675 for a kid that's 949 01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:01,320 5 to 12. And if you're less than 5 is free and if you're older than 65 is free, so that's 950 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:08,320 rides, one way rides. It's very hard to determine if it was riders itself. It could be someone 951 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:13,320 being picked up and forth and we're going to be in dropped off an insect, vice versa. So it would be rides. 952 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:20,320 Okay. And there's a, you said it's a contract as well? 953 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:26,320 Yes, sir. And it's not, it's not an on demand system. 954 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:33,320 Through the chair to Councilor Busy at this time, it is not, it's still part of the transit 955 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:38,320 management plan to be updated, but it follows the old fixed routing system. 956 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:45,320 The, the format mechanic. Well, the conflict in the Fort McMurray trip, does it stop 957 01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:52,320 in John Vee and Zach GLE and the Fort McMurray or is it bypassed John Vee? 958 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:58,320 Through the chair to Councilor Busy, the Conclone Run does bypass John Vee and then the 959 01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:05,320 Councilor Busy. 960 01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:12,320 Thank you, Councillor Busy. A couple of questions. It seems like in the conversation and I know we 961 01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:16,320 talked a little bit with the Master Chancellor plan and engagements, but we're, we are 962 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:21,320 currently doing engagement and all the real areas on transit. It's coming up and all of that. 963 01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,320 Is that correct, Director Smith? 964 01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,320 The chair to deputy mayor, why go absolutely? 965 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,320 And so during this time, Councillor Vary was talking about engaging with the community and asking 966 01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,320 about what they want, during that, that would happen at all of these engagements and we would 967 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:40,320 see a lot of the gaps there and then that information would come back with recommendations. 968 01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:46,320 Through the chair to the deputy mayor, why go absolutely so in 2021, 2022 when we did the initial 969 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,320 transport to our TNP engagement, we did include a rural, but it was more focused on the urban. 970 01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:56,320 We have some input and some recommendations from the rural. However, if you can appreciate 971 01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,320 that four or five years old, so we would definitely do more up. 972 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,480 Aided targeted approach to our roll transit, absolutely. 973 01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:08,160 Do we have engagement dates for the rule right now? 974 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,960 Through the chair council, we'll go as of right now, no. 975 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:15,680 So we don't have specific dates, it will be in the very near future, but I don't have 976 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:16,840 the dates. 977 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:21,920 In March, the plan is for administration for myself and our transit folks to come back and 978 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:26,440 give council an update on phase one, and at that point in time we will be in a better situation 979 01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:29,120 to say, okay, this is what phase two looks like. 980 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:33,120 This is what we've learned, this is our continued improvement, and this is what we're going 981 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,120 to do in the rural absolutely. 982 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,120 And so are you looking at the engagement before you present on phase one or after? 983 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:47,120 Through the chair council, we'll be afterwards, however, phase one will have our survey responses, 984 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,120 which is for the entire municipality. 985 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,120 Okay. 986 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,120 Thank you. 987 01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:53,120 Councillor the want to go say. 988 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:59,920 Thank you, Deputy Mayor Wigel. 989 01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:08,960 I just wanted to propose an amendment to Councillor Cardinals motion, that at the end it 990 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:18,960 be it for the resolve that administration be directed to explore a community aid you can work 991 01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:28,960 in a community community community awareness about the availability of the existing 992 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,960 shuttle service versus administration, it's already there so we don't need to explore anything, 993 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,960 but it doesn't need to your point to be communicated, maybe better. 994 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:45,240 I don't know that they don't know, but let's just let them know, put out something communication 995 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,240 noise. 996 01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,240 Can you do that, Jay? 997 01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:50,240 Like can you? 998 01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:51,240 Yeah. 999 01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,240 You got what I'm saying? 1000 01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,240 Yeah. 1001 01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:54,240 Is that okay? 1002 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:55,240 Okay. 1003 01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,240 With that, you're open to that, yeah. 1004 01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:02,240 So communication is to all rural. 1005 01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:06,240 Communication to form a chi about the existing. 1006 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:12,240 Okay, to form a chi and all, okay, to all rural outlets. 1007 01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:17,240 It was the with the to shuttle services, to the future ones. 1008 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:26,240 And then communications to all rural, about the existence of transit services. 1009 01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,240 Existing transit services. 1010 01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,240 Period. 1011 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,240 Well, we're waiting for your seal of round to do that. 1012 01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:39,240 Dr. Smith, before minus the amendment. 1013 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,240 Do you feel? 1014 01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,240 This is a great awareness, but you feel this is happening. 1015 01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,240 Obviously minus the date of March 31st. 1016 01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:55,240 Do you feel like this is being accomplished within those engagements and the master transit plan? 1017 01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:56,240 Sorry. 1018 01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,240 Through to cheer to Deputy Mayor Wigel. 1019 01:32:58,240 --> 01:32:59,240 It will be. 1020 01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,240 When we do these engagement, we'll get that feedback. 1021 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:07,240 And a lot that we'll talk about timing more frequency. 1022 01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,240 And when we do come back, we will discuss. 1023 01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,240 Okay, this is what it will look like if we do it fixed. 1024 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,240 This is what it will look like if we do it in house. 1025 01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,240 This is what it would look like if we do it subsidized. 1026 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,240 And do those other options that council have already discussed. 1027 01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,240 So we've already kind of at a higher level looked at that. 1028 01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:30,240 And when we do come back after the engagement, we'll bring forward those options. 1029 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,240 So do you believe that March 31st, 1030 01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:37,240 2022 is achievable for if this motion was for it? 1031 01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:41,240 Through to cheer to Deputy Mayor Wigel. 1032 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:42,240 That's a tough call. 1033 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,240 If I was directed by council to do this engagement, 1034 01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,240 I would have to work with Dennis to get this engagement done. 1035 01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:53,240 And any type of analysis, especially flesh and any other options, 1036 01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,240 it would be a tight time for him to do so. 1037 01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:00,240 However, if that's the direction of council, then we'll make an happen. 1038 01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:05,240 Would there be something important that would fall off of what you're doing now to accomplish it? 1039 01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,240 Through the cheer to Deputy Mayor Wigel. 1040 01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:13,240 I would have to reall allocate resources. 1041 01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,240 We only have so much capacity in house. 1042 01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:20,240 So we would take a little bit from the phase one implementation and redirect it this way. 1043 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:28,240 We would rely heavily on director Fraser and kind of re route our resources to get this information back. 1044 01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:32,240 Okay. Thank you. 1045 01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:36,240 Jay, do we have an amendment? 1046 01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,240 So up on the screen is the amendment. 1047 01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,240 Are you good with that Councillor Loanibusie? 1048 01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:08,240 Yeah. 1049 01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,240 No. 1050 01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:14,240 I almost want to go back to the one. 1051 01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,240 I just want to go back to the next one. 1052 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,240 Do you want to give them the next one? 1053 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,240 Yeah, I think that if we ask, 1054 01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,240 Director, I think that's your time. 1055 01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,240 Thank you. 1056 01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,240 Thank you. 1057 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,240 Would an extra month? 1058 01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:35,240 Director Smith, give you enough time to be able to come back with these findings with that. 1059 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,240 I believe the pressure at all or would you need more time than that? 1060 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,240 What's your thoughts? 1061 01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,240 Now, I'll let you speak. 1062 01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:45,240 Through the cheer to Deputy Mayor Wigel. 1063 01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:52,240 Next month, would absolutely give us more time to do than analysis and work with our work with director Fraser to do. 1064 01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:56,240 However, I think it's important to note that in the motion going forward, 1065 01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,240 I think it's important to note that we should bring back options as well. 1066 01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,240 So not just a narrow scope at transit. 1067 01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,240 This is absolutely, this looks at transit. 1068 01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,240 Montefix would look like in what on demand would look like in that. 1069 01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,240 What would look like if we delivered it? 1070 01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:14,240 However, we need to flesh out the other options of high level subsidized 1071 01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:18,240 what other taxiservice, what other areas we could look at. 1072 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:20,240 Absolutely. 1073 01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:22,240 I guess it's a user rate. 1074 01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:32,240 I'm just beginning to get a bit long, but it's also doable and important to also have the user rates in there as well. 1075 01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,240 Yeah. 1076 01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:42,240 So director Smith, would you in the middle part where it says recommendations on establishment of community transit services or equivalent or services of equivalency? 1077 01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,240 Is that what we're looking at? 1078 01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:48,240 Through the cheer to Deputy Mayor, it's something along those lines just so that we can come back and say, 1079 01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:52,240 here's high level what other options there are, 1080 01:36:52,240 --> 01:37:00,240 and this is kind of what other communities of similar sizes are doing elsewhere within Canada. 1081 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,240 Okay. 1082 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,240 Councillor Varney. 1083 01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,240 Thank you. 1084 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,240 Deputy Mayor, this is. 1085 01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:16,240 Just like director Smith had said, we're coming away from the original motion and I did indicate that I had. 1086 01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:20,240 Another motion to bring forward, and now we've actually completely circled back. 1087 01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,240 So I do have something drafted. 1088 01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:26,240 Would I be able to share it as Jade is making this in real time? 1089 01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,240 That's a card now. 1090 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,240 Oh, this is your motion. 1091 01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,240 Yes, you can share it. 1092 01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:34,240 I mean, with more options, better. 1093 01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:35,240 I think. 1094 01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:36,240 Yes. 1095 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:37,240 Yeah. 1096 01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:38,240 That was not. 1097 01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,240 Yes. 1098 01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:44,240 I'm okay with that because we're trying to find better answers and try to make it work. 1099 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:45,240 Good. 1100 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:46,240 I'm happy. 1101 01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:52,240 So my draft was that administration be directed to conduct community engagement with residents 1102 01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:59,240 of courtship 1 and Fort McCoy to assess transportation needs and provide recommendations for improvements, 1103 01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:10,240 including but not limited to adding transit on demand services and or subsidized taxi services. 1104 01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,240 We added on the communication piece to the end of that. 1105 01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:14,240 The amendment by. 1106 01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,240 The Councillor. 1107 01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,240 Laura. 1108 01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:20,240 What do you think? 1109 01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:21,240 Councillor. 1110 01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,240 Can you just repeat one more time. 1111 01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:24,240 Sure. 1112 01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:30,240 That administration be directed to conduct community engagement with residents of Fort 1113 01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:39,240 Chippelon and Fort McCoy to assess transportation needs and provide recommendations 1114 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:49,240 for improvement including but not limited to adding transit on demand service and or subsidized 1115 01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,240 taxi services. 1116 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:55,240 What do you think? 1117 01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:56,240 What do you think? 1118 01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,240 Councillor Lucy. 1119 01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:08,240 So here's my issue. 1120 01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:14,240 It's having watched council for years and the next thing you know we're doing a budget amendment 1121 01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:18,240 to hire a consultant to study something and it's 2028. 1122 01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:23,240 Can we not just put in a pilot. 1123 01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:28,240 Gather the data after that without having a community engagement. 1124 01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,240 We have experts. 1125 01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,240 We have some data. 1126 01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,240 Eight people in Fort McCoy. 1127 01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:40,240 So we have some data already and so can we just move ahead with putting something in place 1128 01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,240 like Councillor Cardinal has suggested. 1129 01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:44,240 See what happens. 1130 01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:45,240 Reassess. 1131 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:51,240 Gather the data and let the data drive future decision making versus taking a year and eight consultants 1132 01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,240 and studies that are this big. 1133 01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:56,240 Let's just move or vote on it. 1134 01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,240 Whatever the case may be. 1135 01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:06,240 But director Smith has talked about the engagement is coming in the second phase of transit 1136 01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,240 master plan, director Smith. 1137 01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:11,240 So that's already planned for phase two. 1138 01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:17,240 So my recommendation or my vote is going to be to move ahead with something and let the data drive future 1139 01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:24,240 decision making and consecutively have the concurrently have the plan for engagement. 1140 01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:28,240 Now I know Councillor Varty you would like that sooner rather than later. 1141 01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:33,240 So I don't know if that's something that can be worked out with administration to move up 1142 01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,240 the date of the rural engagements. 1143 01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:39,240 But is it relates to Councillor Cardinal's motion. 1144 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:45,240 I would prefer to just get moving implemented and let the data drive future decision making. 1145 01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:53,240 I think the question would be to administration is that possible. 1146 01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:56,240 Is there budgetary issues with that? 1147 01:40:56,240 --> 01:41:02,240 How would we implement the plan? 1148 01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:08,240 I think the plan is there. 1149 01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,240 Through the chair to the deputy mayor, Michael. 1150 01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,240 What we could do in form of a guy. 1151 01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,240 The run is already there. 1152 01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:17,240 I think you need engagement. 1153 01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:18,240 Toronto community. 1154 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:23,240 Maybe there's an opportunity to make it more efficient timing wise. 1155 01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,240 Maybe even departure or arrival time. 1156 01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:32,240 In Fort Shipworn at current we do not have the infrastructure employees to do any type of actual pilot would 1157 01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:33,240 transit. 1158 01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,240 So what we need to do there is shuttle. 1159 01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,240 Sorry, shuttle. 1160 01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:46,240 We don't have the infrastructure or the operators in Fort Shipworn to do any type of actual real life pilot. 1161 01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:51,240 Until we get more information as better data driven. 1162 01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:59,240 If we came back in March 31st or even April 30th, we could come back and say if we're going to do a pilot in Fort Shipworn, 1163 01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:02,240 this is the dollar value associated with it. 1164 01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,240 We would need vehicle and we would need a couple drivers. 1165 01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,240 How are we going to maintain it? 1166 01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:08,240 How are we going to fuel it? 1167 01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:09,240 This is the dollar value. 1168 01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,240 That's what we can provide. 1169 01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:14,240 And then it's your decision then the move forward or not. 1170 01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,240 But that present we can initiate this. 1171 01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:18,240 Sorry, that's what I meant. 1172 01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:28,240 Like the motion is go find out by March 31st now April 30th, April 30th and go get gather information. 1173 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:37,240 Then we're adding adding adding and so now we're in September before we've even got the information brought to us to implement something. 1174 01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,240 Sorry, I didn't mean go put a transit up in Fort Ship next week. 1175 01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,240 I meant just move forward. 1176 01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:44,240 Get the options. 1177 01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:54,240 Come back with just that piece and allow the other piece of the transit master plan data collection and and engagements to drive future decisions. 1178 01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:55,240 Yes. 1179 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:57,240 Sorry. 1180 01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,240 So my understanding is just to keep them as separate pieces. 1181 01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,240 So we're not trying to amalgamate the two together. 1182 01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,240 The master plan and this motion. 1183 01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:14,240 Yeah, just go off and come back with the options and the costing by March 30th or April 30th. 1184 01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:17,240 Just that piece and give. 1185 01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:22,240 Kendrick and Council the information and then we'll make a decision from there. 1186 01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,240 Concurrently you're doing. 1187 01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:30,240 The transit master plan strategy and engagements that he already has laid out years ago. 1188 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,240 Okay, awesome. Just so I understand. Thank you. 1189 01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,240 Councillor Vardy. 1190 01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:41,240 Thank you. There's a lot of terminology being floated around here within the motion. 1191 01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:46,240 It says to recommend and establishments of a transit system and for chip. 1192 01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:51,240 However, now I'm hearing a shuttle system in Fort Ship can. 1193 01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:57,240 Councillor Cardinal, can you please provide some clarity? Are you looking for a transit system or a shuttle system? 1194 01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:59,240 What's the difference? 1195 01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,240 Set stops. 1196 01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,240 Like when I think. 1197 01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:09,240 Dr. Smith will be better to answer it. I'm going to give you like my layman's terms. 1198 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,240 I want to think of a shuttle service. I think of like a singular smaller bus. 1199 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,240 Like a vehicle that goes bump bump bump bump bump bump. 1200 01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:19,240 Versus transit is on a loop and it only stops in these specific areas. 1201 01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:23,240 Like when I think transit, I think this is going to be a huge cost. 1202 01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:28,240 Versus shuttle would be in my opinion more reasonable for a smaller community. 1203 01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,240 So I apologize for getting so hung up on language. 1204 01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:37,240 But that's the reason I'm opposed to the way that it's written is because one is astronomical when it comes to cost. 1205 01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:41,240 Is the whole transit service versus a shuttle would be more reasonable. 1206 01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:44,240 So what is it that you're looking for? 1207 01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:47,240 Well, in Fort Ship, why would be the shuttle service? 1208 01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:52,240 Okay. So Fort Ship the shuttle service and the Fort McI also the shuttle service. 1209 01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,240 So respectfully, that's not what your motion says. 1210 01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,240 Your motion says transit in Fort Ship. 1211 01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,240 Okay. 1212 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,000 I think that she, she just, draft in the previous amendment that law on us, I guess. 1213 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:16,000 Okay, I'll wait for those. 1214 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:25,000 I just want to make sure I'm supporting the right thing. 1215 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:38,000 So through the chair procedure, really, council cardinal, if council's in agreement, you can withdraw your motion and put a new motion on the floor to correct a couple of those. 1216 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:44,000 That language items within the motions, which are changing transit to shuttle services, 1217 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:49,000 adjourned the date, or we can go through a process where we're going to amend your motions. 1218 01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:55,000 I would recommend in this case for simplicity, you could withdraw and we can do a new motion. 1219 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:59,000 If council's okay with that under the procedure by the council must give consent. 1220 01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:07,000 Is there any objections to the rescinding of the current motion and then allowing council cardinal to redo a motion? 1221 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:13,000 Seeing no objections will be for it. 1222 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,000 Strong. 1223 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,000 Thanks. 1224 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,000 Just want to take a five minute break. 1225 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,000 You don't mind? 1226 01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,000 Please. 1227 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,000 Yep. 1228 01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:29,000 We'll take a recess for five minutes and we'll come back at, I'm going to go ten because we never stick to that. 1229 01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,000 So let's go back at six fifty five, please. 1230 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,000 Thank you. 1231 01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,000 Thank you. 1232 01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,000 Thank you. 1233 01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:08,000 Thank you. 1234 01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,000 Thank you. 1235 01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,000 Thank you. 1236 01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:38,000 Thank you. 1237 01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,000 Thank you. 1238 01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,000 Thank you. 1239 01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,000 Thank you. 1240 01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:38,000 Thank you. 1241 01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:08,000 Thank you. 1242 01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:38,000 Thank you. 1243 01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:08,000 Thank you. 1244 01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:38,000 Thank you. 1245 01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:08,000 Thank you. 1246 01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,000 Thank you. 1247 01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,000 Thank you. 1248 01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:38,000 Thank you. 1249 01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:08,000 Thank you. 1250 01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,000 Thank you. 1251 01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,000 Thank you. 1252 01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,000 Thank you. 1253 01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:08,000 Thank you. 1254 01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,000 Thank you. 1255 01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,000 Thank you. 1256 01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:38,000 Thank you. 1257 01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,000 Thank you. 1258 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:18,160 That's welcome back. We have a new motion to be put on the floor. Councillor Cardinal, can you 1259 02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:20,520 read your motion please. 1260 02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:27,640 Thanks, Deputy Mayor Wigel. I did want to say I appreciate everyone's patience and now working 1261 02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:35,160 together to find a result for this, I guess my new motion would read, whereas the community 1262 02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:41,560 of Fort Chipone currently lacks transportation services with residents to travel within 1263 02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:48,200 the community. Therefore, be the result that administration be directed to explore and provide 1264 02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:53,880 recommendations on the establishment of a community shuttle service in Fort Chipone. Be it 1265 02:00:53,880 --> 02:01:00,280 further resolved that administration be directed to communicate to all rural residents about the existing 1266 02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:06,040 transit services. And that administration present its findings and recommendations to council, 1267 02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:09,880 no later than April 30th, 2026. 1268 02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:18,760 Thank you, Councillor Cardinal. Can I get a second for that? Thank you, Councillor Marcel. 1269 02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:24,760 Comments, questions or debate points by council. 1270 02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,920 Councillor Cardinal, do you want to speak to the motion one more time? 1271 02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:33,960 I think we heard there's quite a bit there, so let's move on and hope we can get this past 1272 02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:36,280 reason. Thank you. Awesome, Councillor Vardy. 1273 02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:43,000 I just wanted to say thank you to Councillor Cardinal for being so open and 1274 02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:46,920 listening to the discussion. I think this motion is fantastic through collaboration. Great job, 1275 02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:54,280 Councillor. Thank you, Councillor Vardy. Any other questions, comments or debate points? 1276 02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:02,120 I did want to say that I'm happy that we all work together at this and it's important as a new 1277 02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:08,600 council to work on things like this together and appreciate everybody's support on this and 1278 02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:13,320 look forward to the votes. Awesome. Thanks, Councillor Cardinal. We'll call for a vote. 1279 02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:34,920 Councillor Vardy, sorry. Awesome, and it's carried you down. 1280 02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:36,920 Thank you. 1281 02:02:58,040 --> 02:03:02,040 Hey, that was a long one, hey, I like it. 1282 02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:30,840 I'm moving on to item number 8.2, Councillor's motion. I'll ask Councillor Scott to speak to 1283 02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:36,840 his motion, and then read it out. 1284 02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:45,560 There we are. Good evening everyone, so I've got a slightly revised motion, and I've talked to 1285 02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:52,840 Jay about that. Jay is going to put the slightly revised motion on the screen, and the reason 1286 02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:59,560 it's slightly revised is to comply with section 686 of the MGA, so there's a section of the MGA that 1287 02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:05,000 talks about timelines. We've got to make sure that we are consistent with timelines, but the 1288 02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:10,280 definitely the intent of the motion is maintained, so I'll read it out as slightly revised. 1289 02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:15,800 Whereas timely processing and improved efficiency and municipal planning procedures are in the 1290 02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:21,800 public interest. Therefore, be it resolved that council directed administration to implement within six 1291 02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:26,520 months, a standardized checklist system for all planning and development applications that clearly 1292 02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:33,640 defines itemized requirements. Applicants must meet. Thereby streamlining the submission and review 1293 02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:40,840 process. Now, here's the insertion. Planning and development to initiate an automation initiative 1294 02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:47,160 based on the principles of process improvement, and then the next paragraph is insurers that 1295 02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:53,000 or shorter timelines can be reasonably achieved. They shall be implemented. Be it further resolved 1296 02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:57,560 that this motion shall not apply where a conflicting processor timeline is acquired by 1297 02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:04,280 provincial legislation. Furthermore, administration shall identify steps to accelerate application 1298 02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:10,600 determinations and identify and remove any administrative barriers that have been paid timely 1299 02:05:10,600 --> 02:05:17,800 application processing. Municipal bylaws shall be amended, were permitted by provincial law to reflect this 1300 02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:28,920 new approach. And that's the motion. Can I get a second, please? 1301 02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:39,960 Councillor Allen, thank you for your second. Councillor Scott, which is like to speak to the 1302 02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:46,200 motion. Yeah, just briefly, everybody. So, I think during the campaign many of you heard 1303 02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:51,080 challenges with planning and development, at least perceived challenges. When we talk through 1304 02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:55,880 the planning and development folks, I think they talked to us about various efforts that are being made. 1305 02:05:56,920 --> 02:06:01,720 This really reinforces that. We want to have an efficient system at the municipality. 1306 02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:07,000 There are jurisdictions such as Edmonton, which I've discussed with planning and development, and they've 1307 02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:15,080 certainly reminded me of tonight, that have implemented processes that embrace a lot of the principles 1308 02:06:15,160 --> 02:06:21,160 that we are putting forward here tonight. So, I don't expect this to be the end of the story, 1309 02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:26,920 but what I do expect is that this will be the start of a further improvement going forward, 1310 02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:32,520 that ultimately will improve the service delivery to residents in this region and businesses. 1311 02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:38,200 And with that concludes my remarks. Thank you, Councillor Scott. We do have a couple of delegates 1312 02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:47,880 for this item. We will begin with Diana Disusa. Thanks, Diana. Please take your name again for the 1313 02:06:47,880 --> 02:06:52,200 record, and just remind you that five minutes to make your submission and following submission, please remain 1314 02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:58,200 around for any questions. Thanks so much. Thank you. Good evening and happy new year, Deputy Mayor 1315 02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:04,440 members of Council and Administration. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Diana Disusa, 1316 02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:08,360 CEO of the Fort McMurray Chamber of Commerce. We are the collective voice of business in 1317 02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:13,800 this region currently representing six hundred and eighty businesses of all sizes across with Buffalo. 1318 02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:19,240 From a business perspective, at the chamber, our guiding principle is simple. Create a 1319 02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:24,680 probe business environment that encourages investment growth and job creation. That means supporting 1320 02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:30,600 policies that help businesses move forward and pushing back on unnecessary red tape that slows them down. 1321 02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:37,000 When processes are unpredictable, projects stall, cost increase, and investment decisions get 1322 02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:43,080 delayed or redirected elsewhere. Now, why do we support this motion? We support Council's 1323 02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:47,720 caught motion because it addresses these challenges in a practical business-minded way. First, 1324 02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:53,480 predictable and transparent processes drive investment, second time matters, and delays costs 1325 02:07:53,480 --> 02:07:59,640 money, third accountability and fairness. And finally, it directly aligns with the recommendations 1326 02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:04,600 of the Wood Buffalo Pro Business Advisory Committee. Now, I want to acknowledge that planning and 1327 02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:10,600 development has made progress over the past two years, and that effort is recognized from my perspective 1328 02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:16,360 on the feedback that I get from business. We continue to hear ongoing concerns from a membership about 1329 02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:23,480 inconsistency. So, in some instances, their great experiences and in some instances, they're not 1330 02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:29,480 not trying to diagnose. That's not my job. My job here is to advocate for it to be improved. 1331 02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:34,360 So, I do agree with what Councilor said. It is the next step. To continue to keep our eye on something 1332 02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:41,880 that's super important. One of the challenges we also face is requiring permitting and having regulations 1333 02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:47,240 where they should not be. I think that is also a very low-hanging fruit and a low opportunity. I feel 1334 02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:52,120 like, in five years, if it comes again and there's another one, they'll continue to be the opportunity 1335 02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:59,400 to improve. The other piece that continues to plague businesses that's on ongoing issues is sometimes 1336 02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:06,280 a tendency to regulate beyond the requirements, as safety calls beyond what's required. 1337 02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:13,320 Treats something as a new build when it's not. So, really, I think it's an opportunity to bring it back 1338 02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:19,240 to the front and front of everybody's mind and to planning and development and to hopefully continue to 1339 02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:25,240 see improvements. And with that, I thank you for your consideration. And I'm here for any questions that 1340 02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:31,000 you may have. Awesome. Thanks so much, Diana. Thanks for everything you do. You are a huge advocate in the community. 1341 02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:34,280 Questions for the presenter? Councilor Letzboosee. 1342 02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:40,840 Yeah. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I'm not sure if this is for the presenter or our planning development. 1343 02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:47,240 I guess I'm just trying to understand what Councilor Scott's motion is. 1344 02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:52,440 It's going to change. Like, do you have an example, Diana, where there is a, 1345 02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:56,760 do you have an example where Councilor Scott's motion is going to improve something? 1346 02:09:57,640 --> 02:10:02,840 So, the reality is that there are streamlined, well, they have been working consistently on 1347 02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:09,720 streamlined processes, but they're having a clear clear checklist. So, for example, let's talk about 1348 02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:17,160 occupancy permits and safety calls. We have a situation where quite often you find situations where 1349 02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:22,440 more is being asked. So, if you have a clarity, for example, this is not a new build. 1350 02:10:23,160 --> 02:10:28,920 It doesn't need a development permit. It just needs a building permit. I know they've been working 1351 02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:34,760 on bringing that to clarity. I don't know for a long, but that clarity, those checklists will continue 1352 02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:43,240 to improve it. Brink it front and center. So, just as an example. Okay, I guess, through the chair, 1353 02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:51,240 to Amanda, I guess my question, Amanda, is the system that broke right now? Or is it just a few 1354 02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:58,520 little tweaks that we need to fix? Like, I'm just confused on what this motion is actually going to 1355 02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:11,800 achieve. There you go. Through the chair to the question, no, I wouldn't say, no, the system's 1356 02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:18,120 not broken. The challenge that we have is a planning department and probably most planning departments 1357 02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:26,520 have this challenge is that you're taking very structured and regulated rules and trying to 1358 02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:32,840 shift them into something that's easily understood by the applicants for interacting with us online. 1359 02:11:33,480 --> 02:11:40,600 And in the midst of all that, there's rules and ways in which permits are being processed that have 1360 02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:47,480 been created over many, many years. And the approach to try to break that down and create efficiency and 1361 02:11:47,480 --> 02:11:53,880 to the point that Diana made around sometimes we're regulating or creating regulations where maybe you're 1362 02:11:53,880 --> 02:12:00,520 not necessarily actually needing to do that by the building code or by the lunches by law as an 1363 02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:07,560 example and trying to adjust the structure on how we approach it. It's a constant, it's constant work. 1364 02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:12,040 I know the comment was made about five years, you're still going to have more work to do. And that's 1365 02:12:12,040 --> 02:12:19,400 very true. We have been putting concentrated effort into doing this alongside improving customer service 1366 02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:26,600 and we're tackling it from a lot of different angles. That includes even website and online 1367 02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:33,960 improvements that are happening right now. And the motion that's before you, I think when I look at it in 1368 02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:41,240 terms of how it will impact planning and development, it just reinstates that we are taking efficiencies 1369 02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:49,400 they're critical and that we are taking them seriously in the past few years when we brought 1370 02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:55,960 the process reviewed in front of Council back in 2022. You would be amazed even in the last six 1371 02:12:55,960 --> 02:13:04,120 months what has changed in terms of AI and automation and what's available to us. We don't fully 1372 02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:13,320 understand how we can implement those pieces and make our own processes easier quicker and more, 1373 02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:19,640 I would say, user friendly. We have been looking at what other cities are doing in the country and there's 1374 02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:28,040 only very, very few examples of automation or AI being implemented. But we need to understand what that means 1375 02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:33,640 and our team has to put our I and pay attention to it because whether we like it or not it's it's 1376 02:13:33,640 --> 02:13:40,920 coming in our direction. And this, in my opinion, this motion just gives us that nudge to take it seriously 1377 02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:47,320 and to be accountable and to come back to Council report on updates as to where we are in that process. 1378 02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:56,760 Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Boosey any other questions for the presenter? 1379 02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:05,960 I don't see any thanks to you. Next up we have Michael Ferra. Happy new year, Michael. 1380 02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:12,280 Just a reminder to state your name for the record and a reminder you've got five minutes to make your 1381 02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:15,560 submission and just remain seated for questions afterwards. Thank you. 1382 02:14:33,400 --> 02:14:36,360 Thank you and happy new year to you as well. 1383 02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:45,960 So I think Councilor Lance might have stole my thunder. They're a little bit 1384 02:14:47,480 --> 02:14:56,200 because I'm having a little bit of issue here too, but we're still getting settled here after the 1385 02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:58,920 recent election. I'm so happy to see that. 1386 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:13,000 We have so much in-person attendance. Normally, I don't think that I speak for the entire public, but I think I do hear that we appreciate that. 1387 02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:27,000 In that election, we hear a lot of things about the RM and working in silos and how we need to move towards better collaboration and transparency and accountability. 1388 02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:31,000 And so I'm going to mention something from the last meeting that's going to tie into this. 1389 02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:44,000 So, you know, the last council meeting, there was a vote where, you know, in my eyes, we kind of ignored the CIP and handed out money. 1390 02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:53,000 And I can't imagine anyone working in the CIP would feel much like opening up any silos after their work was publicly ignored. 1391 02:15:54,000 --> 02:16:01,000 So now we get to this motion that I don't know that it doesn't anything. 1392 02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:09,000 But it kind of seems to me like it's something that's known as the work that planning and development does. 1393 02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:17,000 And so I would kind of like a little breakdown. Maybe it's a good thing that we have a checklist, I guess. 1394 02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:25,000 But is another public sector checklist what is going to help the RM? Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I don't know. 1395 02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:31,000 But do we not think that we already have checklists inside planning and development? 1396 02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:36,000 By how do they get anything done if they're not checking boxes all the time? 1397 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:42,000 And I don't know that a governance council should be mandate in that. 1398 02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:45,000 But, you know, who am I. 1399 02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:49,000 But the second part I have a real problem with. 1400 02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:54,000 Well, we're talking about if an application is not formally responded to within 30 days. 1401 02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:59,000 It's deemed automatically approved as submitted. 1402 02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:04,000 What will guarantee that something in front of planning and development is not purposely or otherwise delayed. 1403 02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:09,000 So you essentially have an approval was zero oversight. 1404 02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:12,000 Now, much money of the RM. 1405 02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:19,000 His council collectively and personally willing to live with spending on something that could be approved with all oversight. 1406 02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:24,000 And make no mistake, that's what this is. 1407 02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:29,000 And if something's approved with no oversight and now there's a problem, what's the consequence? 1408 02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:35,000 We're talking about doing this and we haven't talked about the bad side. 1409 02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:39,000 All right, so maybe I'm a glass is half full. Maybe I'm a glass is half empty. 1410 02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:46,000 But I'd rather look at the glass half empty and get that stuff out of the way. 1411 02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:51,000 And then the last one where we're ensuring a shorter time lines can be easily achieved. 1412 02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:53,000 I don't even know why we're talking about that. 1413 02:17:53,000 --> 02:18:03,000 I mean, it's, you know, if I was at a planning development, I'd be insulted by the insinuation that my department's not trying to do that all the time. 1414 02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:09,000 So in light of these things, I guess I don't know how this helps the RM. 1415 02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:13,000 I don't know how it helps council break down work in silos. 1416 02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:19,000 And I don't know that we can even remotely consider this accountable to transfer. 1417 02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:22,000 Especially the 30 day thing. 1418 02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:25,000 Thank you. 1419 02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:29,000 Thank you, Michael. Are there any questions for the presenter? 1420 02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,000 I can't say we want to go ahead. 1421 02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:35,000 Oh, I lost you there. 1422 02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:37,000 Go ahead. 1423 02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:39,000 Through the chair to the presenter. 1424 02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:44,000 Your glass is half full or empty, but yours are closed because we've removed that. 1425 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,000 I mean, you probably couldn't see it. 1426 02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:48,000 The 30 days has been removed. 1427 02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:49,000 Correct. 1428 02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:51,000 Well, I mean. 1429 02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:54,000 It, well, the amended thing would have been behind you. 1430 02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:56,000 That's been removed just so. 1431 02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:59,000 You know, when we vote, that's not part of it anymore. 1432 02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:02,000 Just, it was taken out and replaced by. 1433 02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:04,000 Can you share that with him? 1434 02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:05,000 Somebody? 1435 02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:06,000 What? 1436 02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,000 I don't have it in front of me. 1437 02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:11,000 But can you just share with the presenter? 1438 02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:12,000 Yeah. 1439 02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,000 I'll try to put up on the screen. 1440 02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:14,000 Yeah. 1441 02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,000 Can you see it, Michael? 1442 02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:17,000 Oh. 1443 02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:18,000 There we go now. 1444 02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:20,000 It melts up on the main screen. 1445 02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:25,000 Okay, that's not what was up on the main screen. 1446 02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:28,000 Yeah, that was the amendment that was put up, but it would have been behind you. 1447 02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:29,000 So you probably didn't see it. 1448 02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:31,000 So I just want to point it out to you. 1449 02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:32,000 That's the 30 day. 1450 02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:33,000 Yeah. 1451 02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:36,000 So, because we both also had a problem in the 30 days. 1452 02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:42,000 So, and the checklist, or I'm not supposed to ask you. 1453 02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:53,000 But is your understanding that the checklist is for planning and development or citizens making application? 1454 02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,000 I would assume it's for both. 1455 02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,000 Okay. 1456 02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:02,000 I assumed it was for citizens, but maybe I'm wrong. 1457 02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:06,000 Who's the checklist for? 1458 02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:08,000 Question for Councillor Scott? 1459 02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:09,000 Anybody? 1460 02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:10,000 I don't. 1461 02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:12,000 Who's the checklist for? 1462 02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:13,000 Yeah. 1463 02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:15,000 Since when they're filling out applications. 1464 02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:16,000 Okay. 1465 02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,000 Not for planning and development. 1466 02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000 Yeah. 1467 02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:20,000 Okay. 1468 02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:22,000 Perfect. 1469 02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:24,000 Thank you. 1470 02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:25,000 Councillor Delana. 1471 02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:26,000 Any other questions? 1472 02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:28,000 For the presenter? 1473 02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:32,000 Yes. 1474 02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:34,000 Councillor Carter? 1475 02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:39,000 Well, maybe this is for administration, but I'm curious about. 1476 02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:41,000 What? 1477 02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:44,000 Who would create the checklist? 1478 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,000 Can we say that for debate? 1479 02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:47,000 Or any questions? 1480 02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:50,000 This is just for questions for the presenter. 1481 02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:53,000 Not for any other questions for the presenter? 1482 02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:54,000 Not for any. 1483 02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,000 Thank you, Michael. 1484 02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:58,000 All right. 1485 02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:04,000 Now, is there any other questions of council followed by debate points? 1486 02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:05,000 Go ahead. 1487 02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:06,000 Councillor Carter? 1488 02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,000 Thanks, Deputy Mayor. 1489 02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:19,000 I just curious as to who would create the checklist and would the residents have any input on it? 1490 02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:28,000 Through the chair to the question. 1491 02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:34,000 For each permit that is applied for, there is a checklist that exists. 1492 02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,000 These checklist are in place. 1493 02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:42,000 Some of them though might be a little bit confusing or not clear. 1494 02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:47,000 So from this motion, if it does get approved tonight, we will continue to review those 1495 02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:48,000 checklists. 1496 02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:57,000 And we are in the midst of looking at providing an online functional tool whereby when people or businesses 1497 02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:03,000 are applying for a permit rather than scouring through the land use bylaw and the existing checklist 1498 02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:07,000 that are uploaded in PDF or embedded into the e-permanent system. 1499 02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:13,000 That there is a more user-friendly interactive pop-up that essentially tells the applicant, 1500 02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:17,000 this is what you are going to need for your application. 1501 02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:26,000 This is what is going to cost you and hear the estimated timelines based on our own approvals that we process. 1502 02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:33,000 So the checklist are created by administration and will be continued to be reviewed by administration. 1503 02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:37,000 How often do you advise them? 1504 02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:40,000 Through the chair to the question. 1505 02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:42,000 They are advised as needed. 1506 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:48,000 A lot of it is foundational requirements as part of a permit application. 1507 02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:58,000 Over the last few years, we have been trying to become more flexible in terms of not not over requiring reports. 1508 02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:05,000 For example, we understand that certain studies do cost money and take time for applicants. 1509 02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:09,000 And we are requiring what we need only when we need it. 1510 02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:13,000 Not requiring it for all applications. 1511 02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:20,000 So if passed the night, what's in jeopardy within the land use bylaw? 1512 02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:22,000 Can you repeat that? 1513 02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:27,000 If this is passed, does it jeopardize any of the land use bylaw? 1514 02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:29,000 Through the chair to the question. 1515 02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:30,000 No. 1516 02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:36,000 We would ensure that anything that is in the checklist is in alignment with the land use bylaw. 1517 02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:38,000 Perfect. 1518 02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:40,000 Thank you. 1519 02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:41,000 Councillor Cardinal. 1520 02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:42,000 Councillor. 1521 02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:43,000 Let's go. 1522 02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:44,000 Thank you. 1523 02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:45,000 Thank you, Debbie. 1524 02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:48,000 And again, I'm confused by this. 1525 02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:53,000 Although I like to see improvements and efficiencies improved. 1526 02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:56,000 I guess the man is your your word. 1527 02:23:56,000 --> 02:24:02,000 Not kind of just like this is something you guys can do on your own. 1528 02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:03,000 You don't need us. 1529 02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:04,000 Not you. 1530 02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:05,000 Do you? 1531 02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:17,000 Like, like, for my fair said, it's like kind of under in a way and no disrespect to Councillor 1532 02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:18,000 Scott. 1533 02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:23,000 But it's kind of, is it telling you to do a better job or improve it? 1534 02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:28,000 Like, I just think this is something you're doing on your own in your own department. 1535 02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:32,000 Like, that checklist has been there for a long time. 1536 02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:36,000 When we build houses, there's a checklist that we have to fill out correct. 1537 02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:39,000 Through the chair to the question, that's correct. 1538 02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:41,000 That that checklist exists. 1539 02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:42,000 Okay. 1540 02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:45,000 So, what's the standard right? 1541 02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:49,000 What's going to be there to be resolved to counter direct administration plan within six months, 1542 02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:52,000 a standard standardized checklist? 1543 02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:55,000 So, what's going to, so I guess what's going to change? 1544 02:24:55,000 --> 02:25:01,000 What what what difference is that checklist going to look like in six months, then the one today? 1545 02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:06,000 Through the chair to the question, we, so we have as part of our process review. 1546 02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:10,000 We did a couple of years back and as part of our business plan. 1547 02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:16,000 We have the checklist cleaning up processes is always part of what we're doing. 1548 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:21,000 I think what the difference would be if this was to get approved tonight. 1549 02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:24,000 It's just, it's just that. 1550 02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:29,000 Like, it's, it's a reminder that this is important and that we need to continue doing what we're doing. 1551 02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:35,000 Personally, I find that the accountability piece is always good to have. 1552 02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:41,000 I think that the public needs to know what planning and development is up to and where, where our focus is. 1553 02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:50,000 And we would be using tonight's motion to just further underscore the importance of increased and continued efficiency. 1554 02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:53,000 Okay. Thank you. 1555 02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:55,000 Catherine. 1556 02:25:55,000 --> 02:26:03,000 Thank you, Deputy Mayor, I guess for me, when I read the motion, the, the, the new motion. 1557 02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:13,000 We've identified that we do have checklists, but it really, I think with the key to this motion is is to identify where timelines can reasonably be improved. 1558 02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:20,000 And and and speed them up. There's a lot of time cases and we've saw one earlier this year several meetings go. 1559 02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:26,000 Where long timelines trying to get something through. 1560 02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:32,000 With planning and development, whether that's based on the department or whether it's to based on the applicant. 1561 02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:44,000 Really doesn't matter, but if we have the ability to improve our timelines as a municipality and it can be reasonably achieved, then I support implementing that. 1562 02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:57,000 And because, well, going back to the years and years that the business community has been identifying places where it's been frustrating to get a development permit through. 1563 02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:07,000 Whether it was a building permit or not, but as a municipality, I know our department, they've done great strides improving that, but we can always do better. 1564 02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:13,000 So really that motion is this motion is telling me that let's just look at ways that we can do better. 1565 02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:17,000 Thank you, Councillor Allen. 1566 02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:23,000 Yeah, I think the planning and development does an unbelievable job and. 1567 02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:34,000 They've they've done they've made great strides since four years ago from where we were then and implementing new ways and to move forward to help the business community. 1568 02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:40,000 I think this motion is in line with that and just continues to clean up the process and and move it forward. 1569 02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:44,000 And especially seeing the support of the business community and. 1570 02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:48,000 And planning and development, I'll be supporting this motion. 1571 02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:52,000 Are there any other questions or to be points of counsel. 1572 02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:57,000 Seeing none, Councillor Scott, would you like any close in comments. 1573 02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:06,000 Everyone to support the motion, even though I realize folks are kind of wondering if it's. 1574 02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:11,000 It's something important. You've heard from the business community that it's important. 1575 02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:16,000 I don't know if anybody was out in the campaign talking to the business community. 1576 02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:20,000 I certainly was and I heard time after time that things can be improved. 1577 02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:23,000 This is part of that process will it make things perfect. 1578 02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:30,000 No, is it part of our role in responsibility to improve this region and improve the processes that are implemented by this region. 1579 02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:36,000 Absolutely. That is one of our founding goals I believe in this region. 1580 02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:41,000 Much like people could say that still clearing should be improved. 1581 02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:44,000 I'm sure lots of people think that today, I certainly do. 1582 02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:49,000 It's not a criticism of administration. It's saying, you know, we need to do better. 1583 02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:56,000 And every time a motion is brought, we're saying that yes, things can be done better and I truly believe things can be done better. 1584 02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:59,000 And that's why I would encourage everyone to support this motion. 1585 02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:04,000 Thank you, Councillor Scott. I'll call for a vote. 1586 02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:19,000 That was passed with one opposed. 1587 02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:23,000 Thank you everyone for participating in today's meeting. Marcie Cho. Thank you very much. 1588 02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:24,000 God bless and good night. 1589 02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:31,000 Thank you. 1590 02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:01,000 Thank you. 1591 02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:37,000 Thank you for joining us.