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They are good 3 to 5 weeks after the so-by dates. Certainly, those can be in milk, yogurt, dairy products as well.

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Well, what are some other ways to tell? I know Doug Roush, a former president of Fader Joe's is something of a mentor to you. What are some other ways that people like you and he might look at a can or a box and determine that something's wrong?

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I was always told that if the top of a can is like puffed up, beware.

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So, for cans, if they're dented or if they're puffed, they are probably no longer safe.

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years and years, well past the dates on them, similarly box foods, any dry foods in your

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country are really good, almost indefinitely. And I think one place where people get confused

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not sure once it's opened, how long it's good for. And so oftentimes it will say on the package,

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but if not, you can sort of put that leftover, you know, four to seven days or typically about how long

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those products are good for. Well, Dana Gunders, what are things going to happen here in the US?

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We know the EU is reconsidering food labels.

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What's going to happen here?

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two dates on food.

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and with a phrase like best of used by and a separate phrase,

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like used by that would indicate there is a safety concern and that product really should be thrown out after that date.

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There has been more and more support from the corporate community actually to have the state label standardization because for

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why it would lead to less confusion among consumers, it would also

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supersede the state laws and there's so many different state laws out there that companies are having a follow.

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and others to try to reduce waste and food. She's also author of the Waste Free Kitchen

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Handbook, a guide to eating well and saving money by wasting less food. Dana, thanks so much.

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The tiny Pacific Island nation of Vanuatu is still struggling to recover one month after

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cyber-attack. The government isn't sharing many details about what happened, and that's

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added to the confusion. As NPR's Genomegloffland reports, the breach raises questions

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about the global costs of cyber crime and the future of geopolitical relations in the region.

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In Venezuela, too, in archipelago off the coast of Australia, newly elected government officials

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got off to a rough start. On November 6, new members of Parliament led by Prime Minister

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Anyway, if my alcohols account couldn't send any emails, something was wrong.

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Communication is vital in fenawatu.

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It's 320,000 citizens live across the chain of islands.

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Plus, the UN's the country most vulnerable to natural disaster.

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After first detecting a breach, things only got worse.

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They turned out all government programs were down from medical data to emergency systems.

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In weird, first country in the world, and we're not proud to say that, first country in the world that this has taken to.

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Glenn Craig is with Pacific Advisory, and he serves as the Chairman of the Vanuatu Business Resilience Council.

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It's not a bit time, and Vanuatu, I can assure you.

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There's still very little information out there about what happened. Those sources who spoke to NPR

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suggested Vanuatu had been hit by ransomware. The U.S. has had its fair share of damage inflicted by cyber criminals.

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But recently, the Pacific region has been getting hammered.

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Just last month, two major Australian companies were breached, prompting a strong response

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In a call that reporters, O'Neill said that the Australian government would pursue the

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Russian dogs, her words, who stole people's healthcare information.

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Australian officials are on the ground helping get Vanuatu back on mine. Part of the urgency

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may be fears that China could take advantage of the situation to deepen ties to the tiny

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island nation by offering assistance or technology. Vanuatu is officially neutral and maintains

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friendships with both phasing and Washington. In his last update, the Vanuatu Prime Minister said

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70% of systems have been restored. The questions remain about the impact of the month-long

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This afternoon on all things considered the government's charges of fraud and conspiracy against Sam Bankman Free, the former CEO of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX, who is now under arrest.

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You can hear that story on your radio or your phone or tell your smart speaker to play your local manifestation by name.

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Team 51, the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury, came to an agreement.

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Henceforth, the Fed will be in charge of monetary policy, and the U.S. Treasury will be in charge of debt.

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It's here and now.

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The holiday season often means family recipes and they don't have to be fancy.

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One of my favorites is a family recipe for a South Indian prawn curry.

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All the women in my family make it most of the way.

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And in fact it's pretty close.

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Please to a recipe that we received from a listener from Yuma, Arizona, Sujata, Halankar. It's part of our

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month of sharing your family recipes. Sujata's recipe is for fish curry. Welcome, Sujata.

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Hi. So, I have to tell you that my family comes from the same coastal region of India, your family is from

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and my producer Kaliyani is also a company.

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So, between you and Kaliyani,

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we've got a lot of fish currys in our family.

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Yes, and it's really nice to know that you are from the same region.

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Yes, and to tell us about the women in your family and this recipe.

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Yes, so this recipe is a, I call it,

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the generation of the recipe.

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My grandmother started cooking it.

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My mom's mother started cooking it.

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And it's nothing very fancy, the ingredients are very basic, locally available ingredients like coconut, garlic, green chillies, onions, and chili powder, coriander powder, and that's about it, you know.

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And we are from the region where we grow a lot of coconut.

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Let's begin our meeting. I would like to introduce Pastor Daniel Palmer of North Rono Baptist Church. I would ask Pastor Cmonup, tell us a little bit about his church and his congregation.

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And then after he's finished with that, he let us know when he's ready to give the invocation. I would then ask everyone if you so desire.

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You don't have to, but if you so desire, you can stand up and join us in the invitation.

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And please remain standing, because after that we will do the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I'd like to be here today, a little bit about our church.

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Again, our church is North Rono Baptist Church, and we are people.

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We are people who have been rescued by Jesus to worship and proclaim His glory.

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And we are unapologetically committed to living that out in our daily lives.

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We believe the gospel is this that God has a son and he sent him to rescue us.

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He was crucified in our place risen on the third day as promised.

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And he is now ascended at the right hand of the Father, ruling and reigning and righteousness.

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And we are committed to following him.

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If you'd like to know more about this Jesus, we'd love to see you on Sundays.

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It's 6402 Peter Street Road at 9.15 for Bible study, and it's 10.30 for worship, but more to what might be of interest to you is the impact we are making because we've been changed by the gospel in the Roanoke Valley.

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We exist to be Christ Church, which is why we worship. We also exist to impact the Roanoke Valley. We want to make a positive difference in lives in the Roanoke Valley.

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We have a partnership with the League of Old Americans with their Let's Do Launch Program.

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We'd encourage you to come out and support them.

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We offer free ESL classes every Wednesday night to people who are learning English as a second

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language.

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We are the evacuation site for Burlington Elementary School and also for Runa County Schools

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if there's a more significant event for which we were our services and facility would be

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needed.

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We provide meals on a regular basis for the faculty and staff at Burlington Elementary Schools

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and Mountain View Elementary School.

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We provide open gyms to address teens in the Rona Valley,

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and we are a meeting site for various community events

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and organizations, everything from the sewing

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guild to the local fire department.

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So it's a blessing to be able to serve here

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in the Rona Valley and to be able to pray for you today.

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Let's pray.

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Our Father and our God, I give you praise for this board

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and for the people gathered in this room

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and their various roles and responsibilities

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to the residents of the county of Rona, Virginia.

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Guy, we thank you for a beautiful place to live,

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just driving down the inner state, the sun,

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and the clouds, and the mountains,

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it's a beautiful place to be, to work, and to live,

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and to have the opportunity to be a blessing to others.

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Guy, I pray that every member of the board this day

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And for as long as they serve, would see this as an opportunity that they would see it as a stewardship.

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God, that you would give them wisdom and the decisions that they make and the decisions that they make would be unto the end of human flourishing.

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God, that men and women and boys and girls throughout Rona County would have better lives because of the decisions that are made here.

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And God, I thank you for the liberty that we have at North Rona Baptist Church to gather freely, to worship freely, to conduct our lives under the lordship of Jesus Christ.

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without persecution or fear or interference from this governing body.

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God, I probably would always be that way

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that we would cherish the free exercise of religion here in

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Rono County.

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We thank you for the gospel in Jesus' name. Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

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pastor, that is an impressive list of activities that most run-of practice is involved in it.

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I think you're real.

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You and your church are real gem in our community.

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Very impressive.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon and welcome to our meeting on December 13th, 2022.

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Regular meetings are held on the second and fourth Tuesdays at 3 o'clock PM.

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Public hearings are 7 o'clock PM on 4th Tuesday of each month, deviations from the schedule will be announced.

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As you can all see, we have deviated from that schedule for our November and December meetings.

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Meetings are broadcast live on our VTV channel 3, and will be rebroadcast on 3rd day at 7 o'clock PM and on Sunday 10 a.m. until 5 p.m.

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Board of Supervisors meetings can also be viewed online through Runup County's website at www.Runup CountyB8.gov.

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Our meetings are close captions, so it is important for everyone to speak directly into the microphone's at the podium.

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Individuals who require assistance or special arrangements to participate in,

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or to attend Board of Supervisors meetings should contact the Clerk of the Board at 54077-72005

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at least 48 hours and finally, please turn off your cell phones or place them on site.

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Opening ceremonies item one roll call, Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll.

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Mr. Peters, here. This is a snowboard, Mr. Radford.

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Here. This is my home.

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There. I'd be request to postpone, add or to change the order of our agenda items.

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Are there any requests to postpone, add or change in the items on such evidence?

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Mr. Kaywood?

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No changes.

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Mr. Lou Beck.

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No, sir.

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Thank you, sir.

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That's a point of privilege on the part of the chairman.

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I've before we go into item C.

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Our proclamations, resolutions,

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recognitions and awards.

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I would ask the clerk to show the video

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from the state of the county meeting that we had last week.

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I had the opportunity and I thank Amy and Greg Craig and all the folks at RVTV.

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I had the opportunity to see this video several times and I think for many board members.

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The first time you saw it was Wednesday morning.

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I just think it is a fantastic video.

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Madam Clerk, would you please show it?

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Resolutions, recognitions and awards. See, one is a resolution, recognising, making pro-nice,

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assistant director of planning, for exemplary service, Toronto County. Mr. K. Wood and his pro-nice.

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Mr. Chairman, members of the board, as you all know, I think this is my favorite thing to do,

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is to come up with a very deserving employee to recognize, and this would represent that recognition for the

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was a quarter of this year, and today I'm recommending that you recognize Megan Cronis and

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I think is I got to hear at your state of the county address. Transportation has really

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become kind of the cornerstone and many of our economic developments and Megan is the cornerstone

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of that effort. And I was trying to think of what to say about Megan, because the accolades could

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go on for a really long time, but I thought it might go briefly back into history when I first came

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to the county, and as you know, I had a 20-year career

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at the highway department before coming here.

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But one of the first things I was told

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is the minimum floor is, or which we hired you,

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because if you were good at capital projects,

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we would want you to work on this.

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But forget about all the transportation stuff, the board.

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You don't know what I'd ever asked it in that.

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We're not doing anything with that.

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And just forget that that ever happened

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and work on these buildings.

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That's not OK.

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That was fine.

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I'll do that.

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But then after a year or so, I was looking around

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and thought what we really could benefit

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for some more investment and transportation and engagement there and I was looking for someone

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who could really carry that torch. And I like in my role in this process to Michael Jordan's

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Huskell basketball coach because you think he did have a coach and he's Westman for not letting

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Michael Jordan on the team have sophomore year. So Michael Jordan went and became the star of the

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JV team and then of course he had a very successful hospital career that led to the Michael Jordan

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know today. But the analogy there is very apt. I did work with Megan and tried to

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teach her what I knew, but just as Michael Jordan's Huskwood basketball coach

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could not play basketball nearly as well as he could. I certainly came to hardly any

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of the things that Megan does for us today. She has been instrumental in many, many,

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many, many applications for funding. I think for a county, our size, we have had

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phenomenal success. And the one thing that I think will really blast is I know as I

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to meeting around the state with Megan to talk about transportation or to see folks at V.D.

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To just about everybody that we see would love to have Megan be a part of their team and we're

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so fortunate to have her as a part of our team. So with that, I know the clerk will read the

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resolution here shortly, but I just can't thank her enough for all of her efforts and it really

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has been, I think, the background of that success we've seen and need to not be development.

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Madam Clerk, please read the resolution.

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Resolution organizing, Megan Kornnide, assistant director of planning for exemplary service

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to run a county.

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Bray as in May 2006, Megan Kornnide was hired by Wannock County as a planner too, and during

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her tenure has been promoted to principal planner, transportation planning manager, and assistant

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director of planning.

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And whereas Megan has led and managed transportation division of the planning department for

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last four years. And whereas Megan has developed strong, effective, working relationships

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and partnerships with local, regional and state transportation groups and agencies. And

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whereas Megan has coordinated and submitted many successful transportation grant applications

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over the years, including a hundred million of funded transportation projects in the rate of

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in 1960 corridors, multi-modal improvements along Plantation Road, Williamson Road, and West Main Street and Greenway projects,

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such as the Glade Creek Windway at the near Park West.

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And whereas in 2022, Megan has coordinated and assisted in the submission of 18 Grand Applications,

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Tolling non-Egming and transportation projects in studies, which included the successful funding

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of the court ran in the McAfee Nog Trail Head Shuttle, and we're as making continues

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to plan for transportation improvements to the county's transportation system,

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by coordinating recommendations in the Werner County, 200 Planyon, and the workforce

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60 land use and connectivity study.

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And we're as making keep citizens, county departments, and the Board of Supervisors informed by the variety of transportation issues, including changes, traffic operations, traffic safety issues, funding opportunities, and current studies.

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And we're as making continues to be a strong and passionate advocate for the counties and regions transportation system.

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It resolved that the Board of Supervisors of R&T County expresses its deepest appreciation and the appreciation

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of the citizens of R&T County to make incolonized for her dedicated service to R&T County, and

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further the Board of Supervisors does express its best wishes for continued success in the

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future. Do we have a motion to approve the resolution? Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve

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the resolution. Do we have a session? Second.

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that court. Mr. Peters? Yes. Mr. Noor? Yes. Mr. Radford? Yes.

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Mr. Mahoney? Yes.

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Do you want to say anything or do you want to wait?

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So, today's side of Monday or it's end.

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I'll have something briefly.

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I would like to thank you very much for your remarks.

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I want to thank our team and transportation and planning because nothing I do I do alone.

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We have a fantastic team here at the county, not only in our department, but also across the county

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it's work with a number of people across departments.

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Some of them in the very back of the room, and I really do enjoy that.

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We also can't do what we do without the support of you, or be not safe with residency staff,

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where I'm 11th in his folks are outstanding, as well as the same district,

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I'm a be not.

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So, and lastly, I wanted to to thank Philip and Doug and Richard for when I come to them with an idea.

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They rarely talk me out of it, so we'll be able to move forward on some really new and innovative projects for the county is really exciting and it makes it fun to come to work every day to take on some videos.

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I really appreciate that.

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Any comment?

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Yeah, I'll go first.

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Well, I can understand them agreeing with you because you really do bring fresh and innovative ideas.

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And so it would be hard to say no to thoughts.

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So you're a great strategic anchor,

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and you kind of think about those moves,

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like the chess match.

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You think of those moves ahead of time.

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So when we get here, it's like, oh,

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we have got that figured out.

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So Megan, great.

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Thank you for recognizing her and we'll see you around.

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Just want to end to this.

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There's nobody that I'd really go to Richmond about to be.

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We did, but absolutely amazed me, you know, span of four days, government moves so swiftly

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to go before our state committee and succeed in living our message.

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I'm astounded in five years on this board that we did that so quickly, and just goes to show

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me that we can do it in a large part, the message is crafted by you.

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You make the PowerPoint saying, and you make the words that we deliver, and I want to thank

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in the bottom of my heart.

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So we treasure you.

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I mean, it's obvious we all just really appreciate your ongoing,

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I mean, you've been doing this kind of work

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for a long time now and from the planning department

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and even before transportation,

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you've excelled everywhere you've been.

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And this is just your latest victory lap

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and we're not surprised we appreciate you.

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I really don't know what else I'm saying.

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I mean, didn't all of that, but I again, like Martha, I've worked with Megan for just a few years,

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but we're not very old.

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And you've always been great to work with.

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Help me understand a lot of things when I question it.

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I don't think you're a huge asset to hear me.

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So thank you.

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Just one last thing was to chair.

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No good deed goes on punishment.

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So whatever, raise the bar so we can do it more.

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I know we'll succeed.

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This is what a girl would like to take a picture.

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Next item on our agenda.

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Next item on our agenda is item D.

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D. One is a briefing.

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Briefing to introduce Danny Poe,

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Assistant Director of Economic Development.

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Megan Baker.

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Hi, good afternoon.

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Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

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First, I would like to say,

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In my short time here, Director of Economic Development,

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I would reiterate the comments, all of Megan's work.

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It makes it great to be Director of Economic Development

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because transportation is huge.

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I am also grateful to introduce our new Assistant Director

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of Economic Development, Dianni Poe.

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Dianni brings over 15 years of experience

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in community and economic development.

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Most recently, she managed operations

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and risk management strategies for the RONOC regional airport commission.

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Prior to that, Danny was the economic development specialist for downtown RONOC.

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Danny is already a great addition to our team contributing her knowledge on the RONOC region,

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which is key for me and real estate. She's also a community leader,

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must notably serving as the chair of leadership,

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Bronex Ali, and she's also involved with the

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Ronex Buster's Club and Wastina Elementary PTA.

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I very much look forward to continuing to work with Danny to

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attract and retain business in Ronex, OK Ali.

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Danny, what would you like to say?

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Thank you.

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I really enjoyed my almost three two and a half weeks here.

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And I've enjoyed joining the team, Megan and Doug have been great in

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and I look forward to working with you as we get forward.

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I think I met Danny, I think it was last week.

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I think she had escaped from the HR and Dr. Nation.

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Was that a two day, is that a two day event that we go through now?

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And I think she's been here that long, and she already has dragged me into a leadership

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Rono Valley event tomorrow, so she's sitting the ground running.

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That's great.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Next slide, Monarch Indus.

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Item E1.

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New Business E1 is a resolution requesting the Commonwealth Transportation Board to fund a smart

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scale application for Interstate 81 southbound widening between exits 137 and exit 128

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to top of the Manchester Old District.

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It's grown nice.

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Thank you very much.

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Here we go again.

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Interstate 81 is critical to the economic vitality of the Commonwealth with highest per capita

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truck volume in the state, carrying nearly 50% of the state's value of goods.

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Interstate 81 also experiences the highest degree of congestion and crash density in

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the state, and when these factors are combined, it result in the highest proportion of

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incident delay compared to all other Virginia interstates.

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Interstate 81 is the artery connecting the run of valley to the new River Valley, and

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two Virginia Tech, in addition to serving as a preferred route for commuters and travelers

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the interstate.

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It provides a connection to place in and out of the run of Blacksburg Regional Airport, to two Amtrak trains each day to Virginia Tech's. Blacksburg campus to the Virginia Tech Courilion School of Medicine and to Redford University Courilion. The Smartway Bus Travels Interstate 81 daily to provide service between Bernard and Blacksburg, and the Virginia Breeze Bus Line also travels interstate 81 daily between Washington DC and Bristol, with stops at the exit 140 park and ride in the following branch, parking riding, Christiansburg.

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The segment of interstate southbound between exit 137 at Wildwood Road and exit 128 at

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Ironto is the only segment of the 32 mile long interstate between Christiansburg and

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Troutville that is not currently funded for widening. While vitally important this project

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was the first interstate 81 corridor plan project to miss being funded through the original

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interstate 81 project programming in 2020. The northbound segment between exit 18 and Christiansburg

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and exit 137 at Wildwood Road is currently in design.

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The crash history along the 7 mile long South Island segment

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of the interstate is also significant.

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There have been 251 crashes since 2018

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for an average of 50 crashes per year or about one crash per week.

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And five deaths that have occurred in four crashes

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since February 2020.

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We combined with already high traffic volumes,

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these frequent crashes gridlocked not only

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interstate 81 South Island, but also around 11460

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and of any other east west route in the region.

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On December 6, 2022, the Commonwealth Transportation Board voted to submit a SmartScale application for this segment of interstate.

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The Commonwealth Transportation Board understands that there are great efficiencies in cost savings and designing and widening both directions of interstate at the same time.

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Delane widening of the Southbound segment for several years will only cause redesign, reconstruction, additional cost, and increased driver disruption when this project is eventually programmed.

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Rona County staff have been collaborating with VDOT, Salem District staff to compile smart

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scale application components.

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If adopted, the proposed resolution of support will be submitted as part of the application

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and mid-December.

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The application would then be scored with all of the other smart scale-dryne round five applications

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and Rona County did submit eight with the help of the Transportation Planning Organization.

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The town event in Montgomery County has passed resolutions of support for this project

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and the Rona Regional Chamber of Commerce has written a letter of support.

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Later this week, the Ronit Valley Transportation Planning Organization and the Ronit Valley Allegheny Regional Commission will consider resolutions at support.

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And next week, the City of Ronit and Botatop County will consider resolutions at support.

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The City of Salem is also considering a letter or resolution of support for the project.

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There's no fiscal impact as this SmartScale program provides 100% funding for selected projects and staff recommends approval of the resolution.

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I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

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Chairman, let me come.

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Mr. No. Thank you.

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This is the great example of regional partnerships and relationships.

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In a span of four or five days, we contacted

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the County Administrative Society morning and we talked

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Megan, Commonwealth Transportation,

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rotation, Delling at Austin, B.D. reached out to the local governments to make them aware

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of this, and B.D. was the first one to adopt the resolution calling us just before six

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of clock.

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On December 6th, as we drove through the following of that evening, I think that Mayan was

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worried about me driving through the fog and talking on the phone, which kind of scary,

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you know what I mean.

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But they said, what do we do?

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You passed the resolution.

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We haven't heard back from the Comwell Transportation Board.

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They went ahead with the resolution,

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and were the first ones to do so.

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And until long, letting the year 1st forbidden,

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that Mr. Peters always tells us about.

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But at the end of the day, we got a phone call

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a moment later from the Transportation Representative

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their doctorate smooth. This passed 15th and nothing with one extension. And I encourage you

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if you have more ready to listen to the remarks that we made. And then wait towards

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end of the meeting in the last seven minutes to hear the Secretary of Transportation, the

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Commissioner, Birch and others speak of the support for this project. It was absolutely

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overwhelming. And I want to tell you, Megan, that it was teamwork that did this in more

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And it just goes to show you what we can do when we all work together.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Any questions?

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Ms. Cronex.

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I don't have any questions, but I'm so appreciative of this effort

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living in the Western side of Burnup County.

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We are impacted frequently with the impacts of the interstate construction.

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And it's been over capacity for a really long time.

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So greatly appreciate this effort.

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to make a motion that will make a real quick comment and you can hear the compassion Mr.

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Norris voice.

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He is so excited that we can get this funding approved.

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If we didn't have somebody like him on board pushing this, who knows what would have happened.

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So I thank Mr. Norris for his enthusiasm, his passion,

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He really drives us for us in transportation.

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I don't want to drive the train.

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Okay.

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Correct.

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To train us.

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Anyway, I'd like to...

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One sort of minor point.

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00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,860
On the resolution, under paragraph two,

450
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:10,560
we say that the clerk of the board will send a certified copy of this resolution

451
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,480
to Dr. Race Mode.

452
00:43:13,220 --> 00:43:16,980
And I was wondering, should that be modified or amended

453
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:23,060
that we send a copy of this resolution to all the members of the Commonwealth Transportation Board,

454
00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:29,480
including race mode. Is that, or, Phil, you know a little bit more about this?

455
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,240
Exactly, the Commonwealth Transportation Board should go to all the members, and not just,

456
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,600
but we'll have to search for those members on that.

457
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:43,680
I would recommend that that be followed up first with the phone call Richard Knox move to make sure that's in the

458
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:49,420
I don't know that we've done it in a form where we certainly can't consider it.

459
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,180
I'd just like to weigh in with a doctor to give his endorsement of that protocol.

460
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,920
Mr. Eiff.

461
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,400
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

462
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:04,980
I'd like to make a motion to approve the resolution requesting the Commonwealth Transportation Board

463
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:13,720
on the SmartScale application for Interstate 81, Southbound Lodding between Exit 137 and Exit 128.

464
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,960
We have a motion. Do we have a second?

465
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,980
Second, of course.

466
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,580
Mr. Bader, this is so court. Yes. Mr. Norther.

467
00:44:22,180 --> 00:44:22,920
Yes. Mr. Bradford.

468
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:23,980
Yes. Mr. Mohan.

469
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:24,520
Yes.

470
00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:35,420
Next item item 2 is request to approve the strategic target outcome areas and to endorse the strategic planning

471
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:36,580
work plan.

472
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Amen.

473
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:59,070
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.

474
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:59,970
And members of the book.

475
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,400
I am here today to ask for your approval of the strategic target outcome areas and for your endorsement of the three-year work plan for Rona County.

476
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:25,770
Just as a brief history, in May of the year, the board met for a two-day strategic planning retreat to discuss the current landscape of Ronaoke and work together to envision the future for the county.

477
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:31,170
Following these days, seven strategic outcome areas emerged.

478
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:34,530
For each of these strategic outcome areas,

479
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:37,370
the board also developed a vision statement,

480
00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:40,770
which describes the outcomes of successfully accomplishing

481
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:43,050
each of these target areas.

482
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:45,790
Continuing the work of the board,

483
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:50,510
staff met to discuss ways to implement the vision of the board.

484
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:59,470
Staff worked throughout the summer and into this fall to create a detailed work plan for each of these target outcomes.

485
00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:03,990
This plan was shared with the board at a September work session.

486
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:11,090
During that September work session, staff reviewed the three-year work plan and received feedback.

487
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:16,130
Following the work session, revisions were made based on that feedback.

488
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:23,670
As we look through the PowerPoint, the 7th strategic target outcome areas are displayed on the board.

489
00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:27,570
We will go a little more into detail in the next few slides.

490
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:32,570
Economic development, Rowano County is open for business.

491
00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:37,770
We proactively work with prospects and partners to seek new business.

492
00:46:37,770 --> 00:46:46,050
Our prime locations assist in the expansion of existing businesses in the attraction of new industries.

493
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:54,090
Our prime locations cope to collaborate in foster connectivity to the world.

494
00:46:54,990 --> 00:47:02,370
We offer and continue to expand a skilled workforce to meet the changing needs of businesses in industries.

495
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:13,490
Our county's strong financial stability enable us to partner with businesses to assist them in expansion or locating to Roanoke.

496
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:21,430
Community development Roanoke County is a well-planned and vibrant community.

497
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:29,170
Our innovative strategies develop communities that offer housing and services to all of our citizens.

498
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:37,370
We facilitate growth by reducing barriers to development and redevelopment, and by adhering

499
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:41,370
to standards that protect our resources for future generations.

500
00:47:42,510 --> 00:47:49,410
We seek opportunities to responsibly develop our undeveloped land through zoning enhancements,

501
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:53,430
reduce regulation, and infrastructure expansion.

502
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,420
Outdoor Recreation.

503
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,420
Rowano County is a scenic community in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

504
00:48:02,020 --> 00:48:05,620
It is a premier national destination for outdoor recreation.

505
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:12,460
We have an accessible, connected system of local, regional, and national parks.

506
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:17,540
Our innovative programs ensure that we meet the needs in the interests

507
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:21,580
within the changing landscape of recreational trends

508
00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:23,700
and a desire for healthy lifestyle.

509
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:32,140
We offer a robust community park system that provides a variety of amenities for all ages and all abilities.

510
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,200
As we look at the education slide, you will note there is red font.

511
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:44,780
This is to show the incorporated change based on the discussions ahead of the September work session.

512
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:51,200
Education, Rowano County Schools are nationally recognized and accredited.

513
00:48:51,840 --> 00:49:01,500
We have an excellent and efficient school system that develops K through 12 education, preparing students to excel at the collegiate level.

514
00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:03,880
And thrive in our local workforce.

515
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:14,180
Rowano County Economic Development and Rowano County Public Schools will partner with local businesses and industries to train students.

516
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:19,480
thus ensuring alignment with current and future workforce needs.

517
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Our educational facilities provide efficiently scaled, safe,

518
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,880
and technologically advanced learning environments.

519
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,760
We recognize that changes in demographics

520
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,760
and other educational options require public education

521
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,760
to adapt with innovative approaches.

522
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Housing, Rowano County is a great place to live.

523
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:51,560
We have well-planned appropriately placed housing that meets the needs of our changing demographics.

524
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:59,340
We have neighborhoods with a wide variety of densities, styles, amenities and price plants.

525
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,320
In order to provide diverse housing options for our growing workforce,

526
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:11,980
we provide robust housing choices that meet the needs of our residents of all income levels,

527
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:20,240
Life stages and abilities. Our dancer neighborhoods are interconnected and are served by a

528
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:27,080
wide variety of public and private conveniences that contribute to a high quality of life.

529
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:39,190
Public safety. Rowano County is a safe community. We recruit and retain dedicated and compassionate public safety employees

530
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:45,170
who are prepared to respond to a myriad of public safety issues that may arise.

531
00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:53,850
We support our local law enforcement professionals in their work to protect the lives and the properties of the citizens of Rona.

532
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:58,550
And lastly, organizational effectiveness.

533
00:50:59,270 --> 00:51:03,030
Rona County is the important choice in the Rona region.

534
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:09,670
We are financially strong, trusted by our citizens, and regional partners, and innovative

535
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:11,710
in our approach to our work.

536
00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:18,010
As we continually evaluate our organizational structure, our staffing, and our programs.

537
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:24,810
We are widely recognized across the region, state, and nationally for our business of

538
00:51:24,810 --> 00:51:25,410
practices.

539
00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:32,490
Our citizens are well informed and understand our decisions and the issues facing the county.

540
00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:44,640
As we look at our next steps, staff is working towards developing a system to track and to report the progress of these plans to the board.

541
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:49,240
We plan to re-valuate this three-year work plan as necessary.

542
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:56,760
At this time, staff recommends a approval of the Rowano County Strategic Target Outcome

543
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,440
Areas in endorsement of the three-year work plan.

544
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:02,620
I would be happy to take any questions.

545
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:05,640
Any questions?

546
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,060
Thank you.

547
00:52:11,780 --> 00:52:12,920
Thank you for that presentation.

548
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:19,260
Are you going to consider looking at laying this out in a linear format like a gap chart

549
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:24,600
so we can see the movement of all parts and pieces that we've thought about

550
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,980
We have had brief discussions on ways to track, at the moment.

551
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:42,560
At that moment, we have not settled on one particular outcome. Since there are so many areas that we are working through, we are going to work on something that's visually aesthetically pleasing. And that will track timing was.

552
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:55,040
Mr. Norse Chair, comment, it would be in industry there's a morning report that you

553
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,440
can click on and it shows the updates as it moves through time.

554
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,140
And it's nothing that we can change just look at, so you might consider putting something

555
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:08,820
on the web page that can be shared and be transparent.

556
00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:12,940
So not only we can check it, but, you know, citizens can check it too,

557
00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:15,580
to the extent it's something not confidential, of course,

558
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:16,820
that we negotiate it.

559
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:20,820
But that would be a modern way of doing that.

560
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,480
And you can incorporate the dance charts or whatever you choose to do,

561
00:53:24,580 --> 00:53:28,600
or whatever, software package, project manager, package, anything.

562
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,600
It's the might more, but if we give you a high level,

563
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:35,040
by each category, what's going on through time.

564
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:36,180
So just a thought.

565
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:39,960
It might be some software package you can purchase and do that with.

566
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:41,200
Yes, sir.

567
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:41,920
Good job.

568
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,400
Thank you.

569
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,060
Just a quick note, Madeline.

570
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:52,620
This really, I think, encapsulated our discussions and our desires for going forward.

571
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,740
Thank you for your work on this thinking.

572
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,160
And all of staff.

573
00:53:56,180 --> 00:53:57,660
I know this was a huge effort.

574
00:53:58,180 --> 00:54:00,180
Thank you.

575
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:09,060
We're reading this over the weekend, it truly is a lot of work,

576
00:54:11,140 --> 00:54:16,980
we got to go back and revisit what we did back in the spring, and then what we had to work session in September.

577
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:25,980
But just the one aspect that jumped out of me is it looks like we're hiring, we're going to be hiring an awful lot of consultants.

578
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:33,340
And I guess that's the one aspect that worries me is that the wedding impact that has on the operational budget,

579
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,340
because it's seemed like in any of those categories.

580
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:42,580
We're looking at hiring a consultant for a variety of these different initiatives.

581
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:49,780
And I know we have a fairly narrow and tight staff.

582
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:56,760
We don't have a lot of 15 years, so I don't know how we would accomplish all of these strategic

583
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:57,920
goals.

584
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:04,640
But at the same time, I guess I worry about hiring consultants, what's the old joke?

585
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,440
You hire a consultant to come in with a briefcase and a watch and they consult and tell

586
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,420
you what time it is.

587
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:15,220
I could consult and ring, the only thing I could consult and ring is the build of the day.

588
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:17,540
And any event?

589
00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:24,240
With that, I would ask for emotion to approve the staff recommendation for this item.

590
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,260
Those are two approved.

591
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,100
We have a second.

592
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:26,640
Second.

593
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:27,900
Encore.

594
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:29,220
Dispaders?

595
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:30,020
Yes.

596
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:31,200
This is hook or yes.

597
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,200
There's no word.

598
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:32,840
Yes.

599
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,640
Mr. Randford.

600
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:34,260
Yes.

601
00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:35,020
Yes.

602
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,280
Thank you, Anna.

603
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,880
Item 3 is presentation of the year-end financial result results for June 30, 2022.

604
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:49,040
We have the acceptance of the audit report and allocation of year-end revenues, Jessica

605
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Beemer, the Assistant Director of Finance and the Management Services, and together Mr.

606
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,140
John Aldridge from Partner, Brown Edwards, floor's yours.

607
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,680
Good afternoon, Chairman and members of the board.

608
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:05,300
I would first like to introduce John Aldridge, who is partner at Brown Edwards and company.

609
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:11,520
He's here to provide you with a brief update of our fiscal year 2022 external audit result.

610
00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:14,650
Thank you.

611
00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:15,990
Thank you all for having us.

612
00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,270
And by 28 plus years with the firm, this is the shortest meeting I've ever got to come to.

613
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:23,450
Because our office is right across the street now.

614
00:56:24,090 --> 00:56:25,030
So this is nice.

615
00:56:25,690 --> 00:56:29,550
So it actually kind of dodge cars and walk across the road to come here today.

616
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:31,630
But it's good to be in the neighborhood.

617
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:35,090
As you know, each year you all have to have an audit.

618
00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:37,790
And that is required by state code.

619
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:43,450
And as part of that audit, this also includes the school board and economic development of

620
00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:43,770
authority.

621
00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:50,030
This process begins all the way back in April, and we start planning it and meeting with

622
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:55,190
your staff and start looking at things at that point in time, and it progresses all through

623
00:56:55,190 --> 00:57:00,490
the summer until finally there's a meeting with the audit committee and you go over the details

624
00:57:00,490 --> 00:57:05,050
of the audit, and that meeting is already taking place, and then finally the last thing

625
00:57:05,050 --> 00:57:09,790
do is put the bow on the audit and that's what I'm here for the day to put the bow on it.

626
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:16,070
So at the end, your audit was issued and you got an unmodified opinion, okay.

627
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:20,510
That's the highest level of assurance we will put on a financial report, so it's a clean

628
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:20,930
opinion.

629
00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:24,330
So you all got a clean opinion on the financial report.

630
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:29,490
Everything was done and completed and signed off on on December 1st.

631
00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:34,730
It's not due with the commonwealth until December 15th, so you guys were two weeks ahead

632
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:40,570
time on that with the filing. And what I will mention to you, and you all know this, your

633
00:57:40,570 --> 00:57:47,090
finance department has worked very hard. Okay, oftentimes short staff. And they were able

634
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:52,450
to pull this together, provide us with a document to audit, and again, get this done on

635
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:57,310
time. So I wanted to just make sure I commend it for that. A couple other things I will

636
00:57:57,310 --> 00:58:02,490
mention to you all, as part of the audit, we have to task compliance with federal money

637
00:58:02,490 --> 00:58:09,310
come to the county. You all had approximately $33 million of federal expenditures this year.

638
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:14,770
Okay, we have to test to percentage of that. I'm pleased to let you know in doing those tests

639
00:58:14,770 --> 00:58:20,610
with compliance to the federal rules. There were no findings at all. So no instances where federal

640
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:26,030
dollars were spent inappropriately on the programs we looked at or things like that. So once again,

641
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:31,870
you've got an unmodified opinion on the federal expenditures. And then lastly, we have to look

642
00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:34,230
at the state compliance requirements.

643
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:37,790
And anybody that's looked at the state code and state

644
00:58:37,790 --> 00:58:41,490
guide, it's pages upon pages of things we have to look at

645
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:42,130
and compliance.

646
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:45,390
And again, there I'm pleased to let you know there were no

647
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:47,790
findings at all as far as that goes.

648
00:58:48,510 --> 00:58:50,810
And then the last item I'll mention to you that I like to

649
00:58:50,810 --> 00:58:54,350
look at for governments is look at your fund balance,

650
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:57,070
in particular in the general fund, because that's

651
00:58:57,070 --> 00:58:59,390
the operating fund of the county.

652
00:58:59,390 --> 00:59:04,330
And what I did was just kind of go back over the last 10 years and look at fund balance.

653
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:08,510
And if you go through that exercise, what you will find is,

654
00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:13,430
do you all have been steady right out about one and a half to 1.4 months

655
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:16,270
of reserve sitting in Tonson fund balance?

656
00:59:16,850 --> 00:59:21,110
The reason I tell you that is, you're just showing a model of consistency.

657
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:24,650
Even though the economy might be this, you all have been steady.

658
00:59:24,990 --> 00:59:27,450
You've made the right choices when it comes to expenditures.

659
00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:33,910
When you needed to cut things back, you have, but again, it's very steady as an auditor, we

660
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:34,810
like to see that.

661
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:39,030
You know, I don't like the fluctuations, so you guys have done a very good job of keeping

662
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:42,410
things steady and keeping that fun balance where you have.

663
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:47,930
So with that being said, I'm happy to answer any questions about the process or anything you'll

664
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:49,070
might have.

665
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:54,230
I guess I'd turn initially to our audit committee, Mr. Peters and Mr. North.

666
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:55,450
Any questions?

667
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:59,550
There are questions, but I think I don't speak far from both of us that.

668
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:12,000
And he said it, our finance department does a fabulous job, and this just shows us once again what the people we have in the third floor who take the cabs.

669
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,460
It keeps us in line.

670
01:00:13,580 --> 01:00:16,040
And they've been so kind to give us a little light reading.

671
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:26,360
That's a good story, too. Just to ask one question, don't without getting into specifics.

672
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:36,820
We can pair pretty strongly against anyone else in the state or we're, you know, we're in the top 10% or even comment on that.

673
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:44,460
I mean, I'm hearing good vibes there and I'm assuming we're probably, we don't have this flexibility up and down compared to other

674
01:00:46,220 --> 01:00:50,900
localities in the commonwealth, county wise, are we pretty pretty strong?

675
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,080
You're very conservatively managed, I will tell you that.

676
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:59,560
I've got some clients where that number where I told you your months and fun balance

677
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,780
of $1.24, they're considerably less than that.

678
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:04,820
I've got other clients that are much higher.

679
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,100
And there's really no magic number.

680
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:12,300
What I will tell you is if you're a locality, the size of run accounting, and you know you've

681
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:16,780
got a diverse tax base, so it's not like all your tax revenues coming in from one business.

682
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:25,460
You know, if you were a small town, you had one factory, then you probably need two years of reserve sitting there in case they do layoffs or not.

683
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:32,000
But being your size and having all these different taxpayers and consistency, I think you all are doing a good job.

684
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:32,780
Thank you.

685
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:34,960
Thank you.

686
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:44,540
With that, I would ask for a motion to accept the report and also to re-allocate the funds.

687
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:46,480
Make a motion to approve.

688
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:47,100
Yeah, motion.

689
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:48,700
Not court.

690
01:01:49,220 --> 01:01:49,880
Mr. Peters.

691
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:50,620
Yes.

692
01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:51,820
Mr. Hook court. Yes.

693
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:52,560
Mr. North.

694
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:53,400
Yes.

695
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,600
Mr. Radford. Yes.

696
01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:55,400
Mr. Mahoney.

697
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:56,920
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Roller.

698
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:57,480
Thank you.

699
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:57,900
Thank you.

700
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,860
I mean, for as a resolution directing the county attorney to file a petition for no special election

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,400
upon the retirement of Stephen Amigra as the run-up county circuit court clerk.

702
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:17,820
And that Ronda D. Perdue be vested with the powers and duties of such office

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01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:21,200
for the remainder of the odd expired term of office.

704
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:23,060
Mr. Lubak and Mr. McGraw.

705
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:24,080
I ask you.

706
01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:24,980
That's a little bit.

707
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:25,520
You go for it.

708
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:28,840
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

709
01:02:29,260 --> 01:02:31,960
At first, it is my pleasure to recognize and welcome

710
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,480
Mr. McGraw and this Purdue who are here with us today.

711
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,960
And as you know, Mr. McGraw is a former member of this board

712
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,700
in a long time serving Toronto County.

713
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,580
He has served as the clerk of Toronto County Circuit Court

714
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:45,540
for many years.

715
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:57,840
Most recently he was elected by the citizens of Ronald County to service the clerk of court for a term commencing January 1st, 2016, and ending December of 2023.

716
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:07,200
Mr. McGraw has recently submitted his notice to retire, effective on February 1st, 2023, and we congratulate him.

717
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:19,820
Section 24.2, 228.1B of the Code of Virginia, provides that census vacancy, which is occurring within the 12 months immediately proceeding the end of Mr.

718
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:33,680
Rose terms. The governing body, the board, may petition the circuit court to request that no special election be ordered and the court by code will grant such a request.

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:42,640
So it is proposed at the Board at Dr. Resolution, directing the county attorney to file a petition, requesting that no special election be ordered.

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01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:51,140
And that pursuant to the Court of Virginia, Ronda D. Perdue, the highest ranking deputy officer for the Court of Court,

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01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:58,480
be vested with the powers and perform all of the duties of this office for the remainder of the unexpired term.

722
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,220
And, therefore, the election to fill the vacancy would be held at the general election

723
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:08,540
of which is would be scheduled for November 7th of 2023.

724
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:12,020
I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

725
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:16,120
Do we have any questions in this resolution lecture so we allow Mr. Dorado to speak?

726
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,520
Thank you, Dr. Rowling.

727
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:20,300
Mr. Dorado.

728
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:21,900
Mr. Dorado.

729
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Mr. Dorado.

730
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:23,540
Dorado.

731
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:24,880
Dorado.

732
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,000
Dorado.

733
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:26,760
Dorado.

734
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:34,830
Mr. Chairman, the members of Board staff, thank you so much for this opportunity.

735
01:04:34,850 --> 01:04:36,530
I'll stay within my three minutes.

736
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:43,510
In May of 1985 at age 34, I was serving the first two stances chairman of this board

737
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:46,630
when we suddenly found ourselves without a county administrator.

738
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:52,590
Fortunately, a year earlier, we had hired away from a government county, a young lawyer

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01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:54,170
as our county attorney.

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01:04:54,170 --> 01:05:00,770
So, for the next six months, Paul Mahoney spent untold hours serving as both attorney and

741
01:05:00,770 --> 01:05:05,630
administrator for Ronald County. From that time forward, Paul can do no wrong.

742
01:05:07,330 --> 01:05:12,050
In January of 1992, I became Ronald County Circuit Court Clerk and soon realized that

743
01:05:12,050 --> 01:05:18,770
halfway through the budget year that I had inherited it. It was short $60,000. I requested

744
01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:23,550
those funds from this board. They were granted without contest and that never happened. Again,

745
01:05:23,550 --> 01:05:33,010
I can assure you that within the next 31 years, in fact, we've proud ourselves annually in producing more revenue than is required to operate our office.

746
01:05:33,850 --> 01:05:44,930
Then in September of 2005, we learned that an additional circuit court judge had then added to our 23rd judicial circuit, and that we needed another deputy clerk in our office's criminal division.

747
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:55,170
Once again, this board granted us the additional position without hesitation and for the past 17 years we have had no further staff increases.

748
01:05:56,070 --> 01:06:09,210
Which brings us up to today, my retirement on February 1st, and my recommendation that this board authorized the appointment of Chief Deputy Clerk Rhonda Perdue to finish out the final 11 months of this my fourth term of office.

749
01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:19,370
Ronda has been employed in our office for 26 years, and most of our accomplishments, I can assure you she was involved with very instrumental in our office.

750
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:26,130
There's no one better suited nor more qualified for this position than Ronda predicted.

751
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:29,370
Thank you for your fine words.

752
01:06:30,330 --> 01:06:37,470
Mr. McGraw said I've been with the county for 26 years and I've enjoyed it from day one and

753
01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:42,490
I'll look forward to finishing out in this capacity and looking forward to working with everyone.

754
01:06:43,530 --> 01:06:44,290
Thank you.

755
01:06:45,250 --> 01:06:45,830
Any questions?

756
01:06:46,550 --> 01:06:47,730
Mr. Bazar, Mr. Chair.

757
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:48,550
Thank you.

758
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:54,050
Do I have to put that on my economic development disclosure form?

759
01:06:55,070 --> 01:06:55,750
Thank you.

760
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:00,110
Thank you.

761
01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:05,430
I've worked with Steve, obviously, as he said, for many years.

762
01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:10,550
He was on the board when I was hired as County Attorney in 1984.

763
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:19,010
We went through some difficult issues with the County Administrator vacancy.

764
01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:23,950
There happened to be a thing called the Flood, if I recall in November of 85.

765
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:29,970
that was somewhat exciting and I want to say...

766
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:59,350
When I was County Administrator, I was a scrambling and we had some really good people in our fire and rescue department, really good volunteers. Steve came out. I remember, gee, Steve, you went to what Walmart, but a whole bunch of blankets on a emergency basis, so that we had a lot of people who were in shelters. So Steve and I go back a long time. I wish you well in your retirement.

767
01:07:59,350 --> 01:08:07,670
I've known Ronda for many years in the Clare's office, I've always been very helpful, so thank you for your service.

768
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:17,010
Do we have a motion to approve the resolution so that our county attorney can file the appropriate paperwork and make the judges happy?

769
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:23,510
Motion to approve, but I'd like to make just one quick comment, and that is, see, thank you for all your years of service.

770
01:08:24,250 --> 01:08:30,830
We've genuinely appreciate all you've done for Rotten County and have been faithful in that service and want to welcome.

771
01:08:32,650 --> 01:08:34,030
Just a comment as well.

772
01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:37,790
Thank you, Steve, for welcome being on the board five years ago.

773
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:42,570
You know, doing lunch one day in downtown and visiting in your office.

774
01:08:43,330 --> 01:08:47,350
The office over there is very well organized and you'll be missed personally,

775
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:50,670
but I believe they're well the one machine so they can go on without you.

776
01:08:50,670 --> 01:08:54,110
And that's the pushes to a great retirement.

777
01:08:56,810 --> 01:08:57,350
Second.

778
01:08:58,190 --> 01:08:59,170
Thank you.

779
01:08:59,470 --> 01:08:59,810
The motion.

780
01:08:59,930 --> 01:09:00,630
Let me head.

781
01:09:01,030 --> 01:09:01,730
That'll start.

782
01:09:02,530 --> 01:09:03,290
Mr. Peters.

783
01:09:03,570 --> 01:09:04,110
Yes.

784
01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:04,530
Mr. Zucker?

785
01:09:04,810 --> 01:09:05,030
Yes.

786
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:05,830
Mr. North?

787
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:06,330
Yes.

788
01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:07,310
Mr. Radford?

789
01:09:07,530 --> 01:09:07,730
Yes.

790
01:09:09,230 --> 01:09:10,310
Thank you.

791
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:17,900
Item E5.

792
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,000
This is a resolution of proving a memorandum

793
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,920
of understanding between the Rono County Board of Supervisors

794
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,680
and the Rono County School Board regarding

795
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,900
enjoying capital funding.

796
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:29,900
Is it a little back?

797
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:31,120
This all.

798
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:32,360
Thank you.

799
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:32,720
Thank you.

800
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:33,700
Good afternoon again.

801
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,420
Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

802
01:09:36,220 --> 01:09:46,480
And as the board is well aware, this memorandum of understanding was presented to the school board at your recent meeting on December 7 following the state of the county address.

803
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:53,460
And the purpose of the memorandum of understanding was to update the policy for the financing of necessary

804
01:09:53,460 --> 01:10:02,540
County and school capital projects and a fiscally responsible manner and to thereby avoid unnecessary budgetary conflict.

805
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:13,360
And for our public who will be viewing this for the first time, it would be helpful and I believe to review some of the background as to how we got here.

806
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:42,140
Between 1997 and 2001 the Board of Supervisors appropriated funds to the school board for what was then phase one of the school capital improvement program totaling 47.7 million dollars between 2001 and 2004 the Board of Supervisors funded phase two of the school CIP at a total cost of 23 million dollars.

807
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:51,080
Because of this, the large capital amount of school capital needs, the county needs were largely put on hold.

808
01:10:51,980 --> 01:11:03,800
But in 2004, the county committed to building much needed public safety building to house police, fire, dispatch, and information technology services at a cost of $28 million.

809
01:11:04,940 --> 01:11:14,780
That brings us to 2005, and 2005 the county's budgetary funding for debt payments within the county's current tax and structure were depleted.

810
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:21,100
However, many capital needs remained for both the schools and the general county government.

811
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:29,900
Because the ability to fund the needed future capital projects was uncertain, the Board of Supervisors and the school board worked together.

812
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:39,000
They worked collaboratively on a long range financial plan that would enable both boards to plan and fund future capital needs.

813
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:51,240
Accordingly, the Board of Supervisors adopted a policy, which established a variety of reserve policies and funds, and a combined debt payment reserve fund.

814
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:58,420
And for today's purposes I will highlight only that single fund, the combined debt payment reserve fund.

815
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:10,080
It is important to note that the policy pertaining to this combined debt payment reserve fund included first a contribution schedule that was used to fund debt service.

816
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:16,630
The boards each committed to annually adding an additional $300,000 to the fund.

817
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:27,590
For example, in the 2005-2006 budget, the Board's jointly contributed an additional 600,000 to the fund.

818
01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:37,070
In 2006-07 budget, the Board's jointly contributed an additional 1,200,200,000 to the fund, et cetera.

819
01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:50,150
Additionally, the policy pertaining to this combined debt payment reserve fund also set forth a borrowing schedule for the acquisition of new debt as these prior debts were paid off.

820
01:12:51,050 --> 01:13:02,350
After the first several years, a three-year cycle of borrowing was established, which authorized the acquisition of new debt in an amount not to exceed ten million dollars each year.

821
01:13:02,350 --> 01:13:11,070
For two consecutive years of each three-year cycle, the funds, 20 million, were devoted to school capital needs,

822
01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:17,610
and the third year, the funds, 10 million, were devoted to general county capital needs.

823
01:13:18,450 --> 01:13:27,330
As policy was updated in fiscal year 2021 and again in 2023 to increase the borrowing amount to 12 million

824
01:13:27,330 --> 01:13:29,890
and subsequently to 17 million.

825
01:13:30,810 --> 01:13:34,210
Further, incremental annual debt service contributions,

826
01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:38,630
as required, were included in the annual budgets for both boards.

827
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:44,070
As recently shared by a letter from the school board on November 10th of 2022,

828
01:13:44,890 --> 01:13:49,470
the board has designated three capital projects that merit timely attention.

829
01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:54,190
First, the construction of a new career and technology center,

830
01:13:54,190 --> 01:14:00,090
which we have been discussing extensively and referred to as a CTE facility.

831
01:14:01,790 --> 01:14:08,510
Second and third are the renovation of Glencove and W.E. Kunderth Elementary Schools.

832
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:14,830
These schools were built with an open concept design and teachers have found it very challenging

833
01:14:14,830 --> 01:14:17,950
to teach the students effectively in such environments.

834
01:14:18,650 --> 01:14:24,250
The School Board has requested clarification from the Board of Supervisors regarding a time frame

835
01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:27,150
in which all three of these projects can be completed.

836
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:33,970
And as noted previously, the purpose of this memorandum, which is before you today, is to

837
01:14:33,970 --> 01:14:41,490
adopt some updates to the Board of Supervisors' joint capital funding plan in order to provide

838
01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:47,630
additional funds to the School Board and to also reconfirm that while the Board of Supervisors

839
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:52,610
will continue providing funds to the school board in a fiscally responsible manner.

840
01:14:53,150 --> 01:14:56,870
The school board was prioritized the timing of its capital projects.

841
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:59,790
And going forward, we'll not ask the board of supervisors.

842
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:05,490
To deviate from responsible financial practices in order to address capital needs.

843
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:18,230
So, at this point in time, I will review seven provisions of the memorandum that update the combined debt payment reserve fund policy, which I have outlined a moment ago.

844
01:15:18,230 --> 01:15:31,370
So first out of the seven, the annual allowed borrowing amount is $17,000,000,000 per year in fiscal year's 2024 and fiscal year 2026.

845
01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:37,330
This bond issuance may be banked if so desired and saved for a future year.

846
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:46,910
However, in fiscal year 2025, the schools would be authorized a one-time borrowing amount of up to $80 million.

847
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:55,570
Third, beginning in fiscal year 2027, an increase in the annual barring amount will be authorized

848
01:15:55,570 --> 01:15:57,610
up to $20 million.

849
01:15:58,950 --> 01:16:04,950
Fourth, the school board agrees that it will continue to annually contribute $1.8 million

850
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:11,110
to the combined debt payment reserve fund once the 2009 Virginia Public School Authority

851
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:14,730
or VPSA bonds are paid off.

852
01:16:15,310 --> 01:16:21,310
Fifth, the Board of Supervisors agrees that it will continue to annually contribute $1.2 million

853
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:27,990
to the combined debt payment reserve fund once the 2008 lease revenue bonds are paid off.

854
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:34,990
Six, both boards will budget for and include in their annual budget and amount required

855
01:16:34,990 --> 01:16:37,970
to maintain the future capital projects fund.

856
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:42,910
In other words, the whole of positive cash balance while planning for future debt service

857
01:16:42,910 --> 01:16:43,750
per payments.

858
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:54,330
This amount is estimated to be $300,000 in fiscal years, $24,525,000 in fiscal year, $25,000

859
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:56,650
and thereafter for each board.

860
01:16:57,330 --> 01:17:02,510
And that seventh, both boards confirm their commitment to continue the incremental increases

861
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:08,510
and the future capital projects fund, even in future economic downturns.

862
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:14,330
There are several other provisions, and I will highlight several of these other provisions as well.

863
01:17:15,490 --> 01:17:21,370
The county will provide up to up to $2 million from fiscal year 2022 year on funds

864
01:17:21,370 --> 01:17:26,670
towards the elimination of the open-class from concept and Glen Coe,

865
01:17:26,670 --> 01:17:29,210
and W e-cuntive elementary schools.

866
01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:33,730
Second, a bond for the proposed CTE facility

867
01:17:33,730 --> 01:17:36,090
will be issued and financed for up to 30 years

868
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:38,210
with a traditional financing vehicle

869
01:17:38,210 --> 01:17:41,710
and bond structure, which would be determined in the future.

870
01:17:42,850 --> 01:17:44,970
Third, the school board would agree that it would

871
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:48,090
diligently apply for all potential state and federal grants

872
01:17:48,090 --> 01:17:51,230
that may become available for school capital projects.

873
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:54,850
Fourth, in the process of designating,

874
01:17:54,850 --> 01:18:01,570
designing the proposed new CTE facility, the school board will retain an independent energy

875
01:18:01,570 --> 01:18:06,690
consultant to share recommendations on the benefits of incorporating solar energy technologies.

876
01:18:07,410 --> 01:18:12,850
And this is consistent with the recommendation of the CTE committee which has recently completed

877
01:18:12,850 --> 01:18:18,450
its work and made recommendations to both boards. Additionally, the school board is encouraged

878
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:24,150
to reevaluate the size and scope of the CTE facility to ensure it is meeting the needs of

879
01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:25,390
in Oak Area businesses.

880
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:29,110
Next to the school board agrees that it would participate

881
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:34,210
in a county funded, county managed, demographic study,

882
01:18:34,730 --> 01:18:37,070
to analyze a wide variety of demographic trends

883
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:40,450
within the county to include future school enrollment

884
01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:41,150
projections.

885
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:43,830
Data from this effort would be utilized

886
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:46,150
in the planning of future capital projects

887
01:18:46,150 --> 01:18:47,490
through both boards.

888
01:18:50,150 --> 01:18:53,410
And lastly, I would emphasize that the final provision

889
01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:58,170
of the memorandum, is that the timing and priority of the school board's capital projects

890
01:18:58,170 --> 01:19:00,630
would be left to the discretion of the school board.

891
01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:06,730
In the school board would agree to address such capital needs and accordance with this updated

892
01:19:06,730 --> 01:19:15,050
debt payment reserve fund policy. So it is proposed today that the board authorized Chairman Mahoney

893
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:23,130
and Mr. Kay Wood to sign this memorandum of understanding on behalf of the board, and it is

894
01:19:23,130 --> 01:19:28,770
hoped and desired that the school board would take a similar action at their future convenience.

895
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:30,990
I would be happy to answer any questions.

896
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:35,930
And if I cannot answer them, Ms. Owens is here, and I am sure that she can answer your questions.

897
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:42,270
Let me add to Mr. Lubick's presentation,

898
01:19:43,390 --> 01:19:47,150
because things have been moving over the past week.

899
01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:53,270
I've had the opportunity to have several conversations with Chairman of the School Board, David

900
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:59,970
Lyndon, and Mr. Lyndon is in the audience this afternoon. Mr. Lyndon has indicated

901
01:19:59,970 --> 01:20:05,210
to me that the school board is not able to make any representations or presentations to

902
01:20:05,210 --> 01:20:10,630
us because they have not yet had a formal meeting and they have not been able to discuss the

903
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:18,150
proposed M.O.U. in a regular school board meeting, I believe the school board is scheduled

904
01:20:18,150 --> 01:20:19,810
to meet Thursday,

905
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:28,210
but he did indicate to me that he had an opportunity to transmit the draft

906
01:20:28,210 --> 01:20:33,950
memorandum of understanding to the attorney for the school board, Stacey Haney, excellent

907
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:34,430
attorney.

908
01:20:36,730 --> 01:20:43,190
Mr. Lyndon has reported to me that she has recommended or suggested a minor

909
01:20:43,190 --> 01:20:49,550
modification or change to, and I suggest to the board if you look at the last page

910
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:57,530
of the memorandum of understanding, and it is at page 92 of our agenda. It's at subsection,

911
01:20:57,530 --> 01:21:00,290
That's Roman numeral for a subsection.

912
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:01,130
Aft,

913
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:11,880
this section talks about how the President Board of Supervisors cannot bind the actions

914
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:20,320
of a future board, and the recommendation or suggestion from Mr. Lyndon and Council for

915
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:25,220
the School Board is that sentence be expanded to also include the school board.

916
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:34,220
So that a current or a present board of supervisors or a current and present school board can't find a future school board.

917
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:40,240
And I think that David is that essentially what we spoke about earlier today.

918
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:46,260
And so if the pleasure of the board, if you'd be comfortable with amending subsection,

919
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:50,020
have, and I have to move back to also handle that.

920
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,840
Again, I think there's an opportunity that we may hear some additional recommendations or

921
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:03,720
suggestions from the school board after they're meeting this Thursday, but I would also

922
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:10,680
suggest, unless the board has any additional questions in Mr. Lubak, I would move the adoption

923
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:18,000
of the resolution and authorizing Mr. K Wood and I to execute this MOU and to forward it to

924
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,680
to the school board.

925
01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:19,120
Thank you.

926
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,180
Is it too late to answer the question?

927
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,180
Oh, I'm sorry.

928
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:22,940
I cut you off.

929
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:23,460
Go ahead.

930
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:29,980
Just a quick question with the clarification of including the school board also, the data.

931
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:38,580
The future boards cannot be bound to this agreement. But my question comes in with the ongoing escalation

932
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:46,200
of amounts of debt that we are taking on and the plan for the repayment. Would that be a question

933
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:52,000
if we made this amendment? That's my only question regarding the whole.

934
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:59,040
I don't think I believe that this will occur that the amounts would be compromised.

935
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:04,420
Certainly, this is a document that expresses the intent of the words as of today.

936
01:23:05,140 --> 01:23:07,340
And the amounts, we know what they are.

937
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:11,580
And I believe that those amounts would not change.

938
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,900
It's just simply a principle of law that this board or the school board cannot bind

939
01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:18,340
a future board's actions.

940
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:19,080
It's interesting.

941
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,060
Just to add a comment,

942
01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:25,180
the sugar was prepared.

943
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:33,320
This, some of this language will be embedded in the Rono County financial policy in January

944
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:33,900
sometime.

945
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,000
Whenever we have been that usually on a yearly basis, as I correct this, I would say.

946
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:44,700
Mr. Chairman, if I could offer just a brief comment,

947
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:51,120
So the supervisor of our first question, if I understood what she was asking, Peter, can speak to this as well.

948
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:59,640
While the MOU doesn't find future boards, the issuance of debt does, because that's a contractual obligation when we issue debt.

949
01:24:01,140 --> 01:24:14,000
So future plans for debt that we might issue in the future wouldn't be binding, but the payments that we have to make on debt that we've issued in the past is binding on us as a county because we pull down that debt.

950
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:14,960
Thank you.

951
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:24,480
Well again, I think this is our statement of intent, but I would pace it to add that

952
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:32,820
as the school board goes forward through 2023 with whether it's design, whether it's

953
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:36,220
bill, whether it's design bill, construction, contract, whatever.

954
01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:42,680
At some point in time, maybe a year from now, the school board will confront having to deal

955
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:50,440
with a bid price, and if things are great, and the bid price is such that it's less

956
01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:54,880
than what we estimated, I think that provides some flexibility for the schools to do some

957
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,700
other capital projects. On the other hand, if the bid price is significantly higher, then

958
01:25:00,700 --> 01:25:05,400
what we are estimating today, I think we get back together with the school board and try to figure

959
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:11,680
out how do we go forward? And so we're trying to give a statement of intent today realizing

960
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:19,280
that we may not know what the actual dollar amount is until maybe a year from now.

961
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:25,300
I hope it could go quicker, but I think our experience in terms of major capital projects,

962
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:31,440
it's going to be anywhere from 10 months to 12 months as you go through this process.

963
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:38,800
Sorry, as a school board goes through the process and we would hope that we'll have a good

964
01:25:40,540 --> 01:25:44,120
and it'll be less than what we have to anticipated.

965
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:47,510
So that's second.

966
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:49,010
Excuse me, Chair.

967
01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:50,230
Mr. Peter.

968
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:56,330
So I will go and record a share of my concerns about this last Wednesday

969
01:25:57,150 --> 01:25:59,170
and for the record I'll share them again.

970
01:26:00,290 --> 01:26:05,610
The first, as I expressed, I've been involved in grant processes before.

971
01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:22,030
Our first concern with this is that we are allocating 17 million in 2024 and 80 million in 2025, total in 97 million in the project estimate of 93 million.

972
01:26:22,030 --> 01:26:27,250
So, I have a hard time understanding what we're going to allocate 97 million and

973
01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:31,590
appropriate through debt funding that then we turn around and ask the school board to apply

974
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:32,970
for grants.

975
01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:38,990
It's been my experience that you have to be able to show a need one of the things that I have

976
01:26:38,990 --> 01:26:44,190
a lot of questions about the MOU, one of the things that I could spoke about with a couple

977
01:26:44,190 --> 01:26:50,290
of my colleagues was why do we not just amend the financial policy and we can put the number

978
01:26:50,290 --> 01:26:55,150
wherever you want to put it. But we want to borrow 40 million in 24, 20 million. Our excuse

979
01:26:55,150 --> 01:27:01,050
would be 40 million in 24, 40 million in 25, telling 80 million in debt servicing, allowing

980
01:27:01,050 --> 01:27:06,770
them the opportunity to show a need going forward with the grants that we are asking them

981
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:08,930
to look at.

982
01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:17,970
We have already determined it seems to me in the information that I've received

983
01:27:17,970 --> 01:27:27,170
from the administration that it doesn't look like the solar option is an option that is in our

984
01:27:27,170 --> 01:27:33,670
best interest. And our financial folks have analyzed it as well. I have a hard time with the

985
01:27:33,670 --> 01:27:39,610
section here. We're going to ask them to get an energy consultant, Mr. North just commented,

986
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:44,750
it will probably cost us a couple hundred thousand dollars to tell us what we've already found out.

987
01:27:46,630 --> 01:27:53,390
And the other part that I have this is, you know, and I said this on Wednesday is that

988
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:59,310
not only is more in support of CTE than I am, I've made that clear for that over the last

989
01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:05,610
year 18 months, even sat down with Mr. Lyndon and Mr. Greenway back in the spring and called

990
01:28:05,610 --> 01:28:12,690
a little bit of a firestorm there that I was trying to get a deal to work out. But I thought

991
01:28:12,690 --> 01:28:18,710
the purpose of this was to solidify the CTE to take the recommendations of our CTE committee

992
01:28:18,710 --> 01:28:22,710
and to move that forward in this agreement.

993
01:28:24,910 --> 01:28:28,030
I don't think we've adequately addressed the

994
01:28:28,030 --> 01:28:35,070
elementary schools, but I also think the conference was made in our meeting last Wednesday that

995
01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:42,490
we do need to understand our children and we need to know our ADM and our schools because

996
01:28:42,490 --> 01:28:48,150
It is going down, and as I shared with some my colleagues earlier, we do live in a different

997
01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:48,570
world.

998
01:28:48,910 --> 01:28:54,630
I'll go back 50 years, and I was, you know, at Norfolk Southern, we're coming to town 50 years

999
01:28:54,630 --> 01:29:01,190
ago and had a thousand jobs, you know, in most of the cases, the spouse was a hunter-maker,

1000
01:29:01,310 --> 01:29:06,210
and they had two or three children and they had a private month, two or three thousand kids

1001
01:29:06,210 --> 01:29:07,130
in our schools.

1002
01:29:07,130 --> 01:29:13,530
But that's not the case of 2022, as I do with people daily, people aren't having kids.

1003
01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:18,770
They're wanting to travel, they're wanting to go here and do this, and they're not having

1004
01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:23,010
the children that our past generations have.

1005
01:29:23,690 --> 01:29:26,110
So I do think we need to look at our school structure.

1006
01:29:26,690 --> 01:29:30,890
I'm going to Mr. Raff mentioned the Wednesday that there are some localities that are

1007
01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:35,450
doing a K-3A. And again, I don't have that answer.

1008
01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:37,670
I don't think we have that answer.

1009
01:29:37,930 --> 01:29:41,450
I don't think we truly know how to address the elementary schools.

1010
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:49,530
I think that we need to ask the school board to work in a holistic manner with us, because

1011
01:29:49,530 --> 01:29:51,710
I think the demographics are going to change completely.

1012
01:29:52,410 --> 01:29:56,570
I don't think the comment was made when it's the that the school board is not in charge

1013
01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:59,130
of economic development or economic growth.

1014
01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:59,970
And that's the state.

1015
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,400
It's absolutely true. But as Chairman Mahoney mentioned at the State of the County on Wednesday, we had

1016
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:16,000
a 5 or 50 jobs. Our unemployment number is under 2% or close to it. Even if we were to bring

1017
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,220
a thousand more people to the valley, that doesn't guarantee their own half kids. So again,

1018
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:29,700
I think that we need to take a holistic look at this. I feel like the MOU should address just the

1019
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:34,960
that all 10 members of both boards agree this needs be done.

1020
01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:37,880
We don't want to jeopardize our ability to have grants.

1021
01:30:38,660 --> 01:30:39,600
I think this does.

1022
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:45,720
And then we need to move into a conversation to address the elementary schools

1023
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:46,920
in a different way.

1024
01:30:47,380 --> 01:30:47,580
Let's try.

1025
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,180
I was just going to ask a quick question.

1026
01:30:52,660 --> 01:30:55,600
Maybe that Miss Owens can respond to this.

1027
01:30:55,600 --> 01:31:05,660
But doesn't MOU in setting forth funding for future projects, is that the same as allocation

1028
01:31:05,660 --> 01:31:11,680
and would it be seen that way in a grant to process to the best of your knowledge?

1029
01:31:15,980 --> 01:31:19,960
Let me just take a peek at how we have that word in the MOU here.

1030
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:29,230
I invite you to look at my interpretation of this and have made a couple of other contacts

1031
01:31:29,230 --> 01:31:32,790
is that we don't have to actually physically allocate the money.

1032
01:31:33,210 --> 01:31:36,530
That doesn't take place until which time we borrow the money.

1033
01:31:36,810 --> 01:31:45,590
However, this does outline 17 million, 17 million and 24, 18 million and 25, which does

1034
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:46,770
make it available for projects.

1035
01:31:46,770 --> 01:31:53,710
So, I'm just asking if that's the same thing and would that have to be declared in the grant process.

1036
01:31:54,790 --> 01:32:10,030
So, my understanding is in the grant process that what would be required is for the actual documentation and full explanation of the project itself.

1037
01:32:10,030 --> 01:32:15,590
I think what we have in our financial policy and what we've tried to just kind of reiterate

1038
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:22,090
here in the MOU would just be changes that this board would be authorizing in terms of the

1039
01:32:22,090 --> 01:32:30,530
amount of the borrowing that sport would authorize on an annual basis. So, for example, on page 3

1040
01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:42,230
of the MOU in Section 3 where it has updates to the policy, we would essentially continue the allowance

1041
01:32:42,230 --> 01:32:50,130
of the 17 million in fiscal year 24, which are current policy already outlines for the schools.

1042
01:32:51,290 --> 01:33:00,290
Then we, in fiscal year 25, would essentially just be authorizing and amount up to 80 million.

1043
01:33:00,850 --> 01:33:08,130
So I think all we're doing there is continuing with that 17 and then authorizing an additional 63 million.

1044
01:33:10,290 --> 01:33:18,250
In the MOU, we've documented that we understand that there are the needs of the CTE as well as two elementary schools,

1045
01:33:18,250 --> 01:33:24,770
schools with the thought being that if the schools did apply for and receive grants, that

1046
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:29,250
would be great and those would go towards the project and just minimize the amount of the

1047
01:33:29,250 --> 01:33:30,550
actual borrowing.

1048
01:33:31,450 --> 01:33:39,950
So I think that all we were trying to do here was just really kind of expand upon what we

1049
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:45,150
have in the current policy and just update it and then we would update the policy at a later

1050
01:33:45,150 --> 01:33:52,850
time to, if this is approved, actually mirror that, then we continue on to say that, beginning

1051
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:58,550
in fiscal year 27, so we just kind of continue and indicate that we would actually authorize

1052
01:33:58,550 --> 01:34:01,250
an increase that amount from 17 to 20 million.

1053
01:34:02,430 --> 01:34:08,010
So, if I can just give point to the location, so I guess what is the difference in, if you're

1054
01:34:08,010 --> 01:34:13,310
applying for an SRO grant or an ambulance or a fire truck, and most of all those grants

1055
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:19,830
have in there is their sources of fund sources for whatever this is.

1056
01:34:20,650 --> 01:34:22,290
Why would that be any different in this case?

1057
01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:27,630
Because there is a funding source for this and we are in this MOU.

1058
01:34:28,150 --> 01:34:29,650
It's here to be approved.

1059
01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:34,890
And this would also then be adopted into our financial policy.

1060
01:34:35,970 --> 01:34:36,510
Correct.

1061
01:34:36,970 --> 01:34:42,950
So for this, is just the intent to, we haven't actually

1062
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:44,410
appropriated any of the funds.

1063
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:46,610
We would do that like during the budget process.

1064
01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:51,070
We would appropriate the bond money each and every year.

1065
01:34:51,670 --> 01:34:55,690
So I would look at this as this is the plan for long term.

1066
01:34:55,910 --> 01:35:01,470
And then each year, it would be an appropriation in the particular grant

1067
01:35:01,470 --> 01:35:03,690
that you're referring to for the school resource officer.

1068
01:35:03,690 --> 01:35:10,450
that one was an actual appropriation of funds, and so that's why we couldn't on the county

1069
01:35:10,450 --> 01:35:14,990
side actually apply for the grant, because the funds had already been appropriated.

1070
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:22,810
But I can also address the grants for unenambulance, the questions asked, is there, is there

1071
01:35:22,810 --> 01:35:29,030
money been, it's been only use allocated, but are there, is there a funding source available

1072
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:38,430
You know, because they're not going to give money to a fire rescue department that's sitting on a million dollars and they're asking for, you know, a $300,000 truck.

1073
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:41,310
They're going to go, well, you've got the money while you're here.

1074
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:44,790
And I guess it's kind of, say, cautious approach.

1075
01:35:44,910 --> 01:35:49,450
I'm trying to take to this that, you know, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. North,

1076
01:35:49,870 --> 01:35:54,190
who has been pushing these grants and there may be some changes to the grants

1077
01:35:54,190 --> 01:35:57,090
depend on how the scoring comes out for all localities.

1078
01:35:58,270 --> 01:36:04,910
I just do not want to put us in the position that we're going to make this move, and

1079
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:10,330
then we're going to be kicked away from one of these grants that I would like to see it's

1080
01:36:10,330 --> 01:36:15,350
not only give us CTE, but I'd like to see it feel to apply for the elementary schools, and

1081
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:16,890
I don't want to do anything to jeopardize that.

1082
01:36:17,950 --> 01:36:18,450
Thank you.

1083
01:36:18,450 --> 01:36:27,130
Just a few comments, primarily on the theme of Will Thus, on this M.O.U. with 17,

1084
01:36:27,490 --> 01:36:29,810
in an 80 million jeopardized grants.

1085
01:36:30,090 --> 01:36:33,530
And my personal opinion faced on everything I've ran.

1086
01:36:33,550 --> 01:36:38,570
And this is, by the way, a summary of competitive grant process for this bucket of grants

1087
01:36:38,570 --> 01:36:41,530
for going after provided by Superintendent Nicely.

1088
01:36:42,190 --> 01:36:45,770
I don't know if he typed this up or something he got down to Richmond,

1089
01:36:45,770 --> 01:36:54,670
But it was well summarized of the larger document that the legislature passed, which is a much larger document.

1090
01:36:54,730 --> 01:36:59,430
I cannot see anything in here because this is taxpayers' money.

1091
01:37:00,330 --> 01:37:04,470
And by the way, the $1.2 billion pot will be expanded to 2.5 billion.

1092
01:37:04,710 --> 01:37:10,690
If the general assembly seems to be explained to pass it, it is an unbihanium amendment to the two-year budget.

1093
01:37:10,690 --> 01:37:18,510
I can't see anything in here that says that it will be jeopardized or it says if you've got the funds it won't apply for the grants.

1094
01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:26,770
We have qualified in Rono County based upon this information to a 20% grant.

1095
01:37:27,390 --> 01:37:29,910
And it's based on school division with composite index.

1096
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:41,320
Now, you add a rub of 0.300 and below 0.400 or contained in locally designated with above average physical stress. We score 70% in both those categories.

1097
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:57,400
Where this could get dicey is in the 11 questions that somebody came up with just as, oh, and by the way, you got to take this test and pass 11 questions, which is already getting conversations among many people in common. Well, they don't really know if that's the right approach.

1098
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:12,940
But we're pressing forward with the grants, at least according to the folks over to school boards because this is not only going to be discussed then, as it was two weeks ago, it's going to be discussed among several representatives of the Commonwealth from this area.

1099
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:21,220
Bottom line is this is working progress, and they're going to have to review the scope and impact of all this from the people who apply to the grants.

1100
01:38:21,220 --> 01:38:39,300
So, no, this is not why I supported the MOU, why I supported the MOU, and I think I can speak for a few others that perhaps feel the same way is they get 17 million, that was my idea that that's 17, the schools have a choice.

1101
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:42,560
use it for CTE or put it towards elementary schools.

1102
01:38:42,780 --> 01:38:47,280
That was my idea of building the base to support the elementary schools.

1103
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:54,240
They get 20 million and 27, they'll have 37, they can start an elementary school if they wish to.

1104
01:38:54,320 --> 01:39:00,260
And then of course, 20 million in the future years will set up nicely to get the school's done sooner than later.

1105
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:08,760
But at the end of the day, this $80 million that we can afford today based on all the analysis I staffs done

1106
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:14,240
is simply saying to the schools let's go after those grants because it's $20 million.

1107
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:15,740
It's not $2 million.

1108
01:39:16,020 --> 01:39:17,800
It's a significant amount of money.

1109
01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:22,660
And if that doesn't work, we got another card up our sleeves and we're going to work on.

1110
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:28,640
And I'm going to go to any assembly representatives and discuss the fact that this is

1111
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,100
concerning the score card 11 questions.

1112
01:39:31,940 --> 01:39:34,840
And be ready because this is CTE.

1113
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:40,700
And it aligns with the governor's workforce development improvement efforts all over the

1114
01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:42,180
Commonwealth and grant program.

1115
01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:47,740
And if one delegate in this area, you get six million for history music, and my gosh,

1116
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:53,960
all we're asking for is $18 to $20 million to be put in the buying any budget to help

1117
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:58,940
develop this region's workforce through these programs, offerings that's a Rono County

1118
01:39:58,940 --> 01:40:00,180
CTE school.

1119
01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:03,960
So I respectfully don't, I'm not worrying about that.

1120
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:09,980
I can't find any language that knocks out this grant consideration because we've ponyed up

1121
01:40:09,980 --> 01:40:15,380
80 million dollars so far, or if you want to say 97 million, but my interpretation

1122
01:40:15,380 --> 01:40:16,400
is it's 80.

1123
01:40:16,780 --> 01:40:22,420
It's not going to affect us because in here, it simply says, in part two, ran awards, you'll

1124
01:40:22,420 --> 01:40:24,020
be based on project cost.

1125
01:40:24,620 --> 01:40:30,800
The project costs are about 90 right now, escalators to about 93, and they're still a million

1126
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:36,040
short because there wasn't any concern for curb and gutter that you have to enter the complex

1127
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,780
over there once it's built, nor is there a stoplight.

1128
01:40:39,420 --> 01:40:44,720
And so a million dollars is already needs to be added to the 90.3 and escalated, which takes

1129
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:45,880
it to 94.1.

1130
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:52,400
And it says it's based on project costs, including planning, design, site acquisition, and

1131
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:52,860
construction.

1132
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:59,040
The school divisions composite index and the fiscal stress category is designated by the Virginia

1133
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,760
and local government, et cetera, et cetera.

1134
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,220
I don't see if this is a separate buck in a money,

1135
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,660
and if it's different than what it's planned for,

1136
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,440
and other grants, so be it.

1137
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,780
I can't find anything at knocks it out.

1138
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,400
And if there is something that I missed,

1139
01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:13,420
it's in shame on me.

1140
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,540
But I've read this.

1141
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:15,880
These documents fairly carefully.

1142
01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:19,220
And I know that Dr. Lysley has done the same thing,

1143
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:20,440
or he went to go under Richmond,

1144
01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:23,940
and spent six hours riding over there and back,

1145
01:41:24,260 --> 01:41:27,020
and the times to speak on behalf of Rowan O. County,

1146
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:28,120
and what we're planning on doing.

1147
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:35,160
So, and I applaud that effort, and I hope that it will continue, and yes, the laws say

1148
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:40,220
the schools have to be the one to file for this, not row an oak county government, or

1149
01:41:40,220 --> 01:41:40,800
administration.

1150
01:41:41,460 --> 01:41:45,580
We will have been glad to help me, way we can, so that's all I have to say on the subject,

1151
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:49,700
and I respectfully will support the MOU, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1152
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:50,740
Yes, sir.

1153
01:41:50,740 --> 01:42:01,860
So I guess everything my concerns got reiterated there, again, I don't want anybody to take away from this that I'm not supportive of this.

1154
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:03,180
That's not purpose.

1155
01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:09,740
I'm concerned that Mr. North just spoke that this is a working progress.

1156
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,160
So we don't know where the planes come in for the land.

1157
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:19,400
So we don't know what the final request will be, what that final document will look for, a look like.

1158
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:26,400
We have been led to a belief over the last year that there was going to be 20% of this available.

1159
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,140
Now we found out that that's not the case.

1160
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,340
There's already been to me moving parts that has given me a time to say,

1161
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:40,000
it was pause for a minute, let's let this thing land and know exactly how we need to play it out.

1162
01:42:40,220 --> 01:42:42,700
Meanwhile, knowing that we're all committed to this.

1163
01:42:42,700 --> 01:42:53,060
And then the other point that I bought up on Wednesday that Mr. North is reiterated was let's say everything is perfect.

1164
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,660
We get the grants, they get 17 million and they get 20 million and 20.27.

1165
01:42:59,340 --> 01:43:01,220
Which I will make sure school is going to be done.

1166
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:08,320
I'm really not in a position that I want to hit the Kakaoba versus Ventend Districts against each other.

1167
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,120
Again, because I don't think we've had a holistic look

1168
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,380
of how this needs to be played out,

1169
01:43:13,540 --> 01:43:15,060
especially at the elementary level.

1170
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,480
So anyway, thank you, Chairman.

1171
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:19,920
Mr. Raptor.

1172
01:43:20,420 --> 01:43:22,500
Yeah, thank you.

1173
01:43:22,580 --> 01:43:26,660
Jason, I thank you for the information that you share

1174
01:43:26,660 --> 01:43:30,320
with us on the M of U. The one thing I want to tweak.

1175
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:35,080
And that is item item D that talks about the school board

1176
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,180
retaining and independent energy consultant.

1177
01:43:38,860 --> 01:43:40,200
I see that a little different.

1178
01:43:40,260 --> 01:43:43,860
I don't see it costing 100 or 200,000 per staff person.

1179
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:49,440
Those people you can hire as a consultant through the architectural firm.

1180
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,100
And they can actually evaluate and make a recommendation.

1181
01:43:53,140 --> 01:43:59,640
So my whole thought about D was going to be more cost effective

1182
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,920
and not to hire somebody full-time.

1183
01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:04,660
They can do what they want to do with it.

1184
01:44:04,660 --> 01:44:22,500
They can, to me, I'm not reading that they have to do solar, but it's a recommendation to look at it and consider it because, you know, we might want to do the same thing with some of our architectural services that we do a library or we do a fire station.

1185
01:44:23,340 --> 01:44:27,000
So I don't see that as, you know, a big expense.

1186
01:44:27,620 --> 01:44:29,380
Well, I know, honestly, it's at least my concerns.

1187
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:30,060
I got you.

1188
01:44:30,060 --> 01:44:31,100
I don't think I can hear you.

1189
01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:31,540
I don't.

1190
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,240
But I've tagged along with the solar energy.

1191
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:35,160
I just wanted to.

1192
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,960
You know, that you know, I thought it was all lower, low-hanging proteins.

1193
01:44:40,540 --> 01:44:43,240
I mean, Mr. Chairman, there's to come to Mr. Raffer's comments.

1194
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:50,180
This, in a spirit of this agreement, this is what the citizens committee that worked for almost a year or more recommended

1195
01:44:50,180 --> 01:44:50,860
be done.

1196
01:44:50,900 --> 01:44:55,200
So I think that we're following the direction of our citizens committee when this was included.

1197
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:57,460
So we're going to write a thank you, Mr. Chair.

1198
01:45:01,420 --> 01:45:06,720
Madam Court, I think we had a motion in a second in my correct.

1199
01:45:06,740 --> 01:45:07,720
You are correct.

1200
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:12,980
I just want to fire a phone that does include change.

1201
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:13,940
Please.

1202
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:15,420
Yes.

1203
01:45:15,860 --> 01:45:16,080
Yes.

1204
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,500
I don't remember before.

1205
01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:19,540
Is that correct?

1206
01:45:20,780 --> 01:45:21,320
Is that correct?

1207
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:22,100
No.

1208
01:45:23,140 --> 01:45:23,840
Yes.

1209
01:45:24,980 --> 01:45:25,260
Yes.

1210
01:45:25,780 --> 01:45:26,140
Yes.

1211
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:27,460
Yes.

1212
01:45:27,460 --> 01:45:27,620
Yes.

1213
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:28,840
Yes.

1214
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:30,480
Thank you.

1215
01:45:31,420 --> 01:45:44,220
Item F1, F1 is first reading of an ordinance of appropriating $61,460,835 and 43 cents from the

1216
01:45:44,220 --> 01:45:54,380
County Public Schools, fiscal year 2022 year and funds to the fiscal year 2022 2023 run up

1217
01:45:54,380 --> 01:45:56,420
County Public Schools budget.

1218
01:45:57,020 --> 01:45:57,640
This bears.

1219
01:45:58,440 --> 01:45:59,060
Good afternoon.

1220
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,100
Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

1221
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,880
At the November 10th, School of War Meeting, I present in 2022 to ensure your audit

1222
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:11,020
comprehensive annual financial report and your area of information request.

1223
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:12,680
These were approved by this award.

1224
01:46:13,700 --> 01:46:17,740
By law, any hearing balances of the school division in the Commonwealth of Virginia

1225
01:46:17,740 --> 01:46:20,140
deserve to be brought back to the government from which it came.

1226
01:46:20,700 --> 01:46:23,680
The county's comprehensive financial policy allows the school board to

1227
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,280
re-appropriate hearing funds upon approval by the Board of Supervisors.

1228
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:32,440
I am here on behalf of the school board to request a Greek re-appropriation of 65 million

1229
01:46:32,440 --> 01:46:37,500
to 68,000 and 85,000 and $85,444 since for all funds Assistant and attachment

1230
01:46:37,500 --> 01:46:38,840
aid to your board report.

1231
01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:44,600
This re-appropriation requests complies with the catalyst company's signature policy and

1232
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,100
the school board year in care of your policy.

1233
01:46:46,660 --> 01:46:50,680
Thank you for the opportunity to present to a appropriation request of the school board today.

1234
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,340
It can answer any questions that you may have.

1235
01:46:52,340 --> 01:46:53,820
Any questions, please?

1236
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:56,280
So, do you hear any questions?

1237
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:03,660
Mr. Petersen, first citizens watching at home.

1238
01:47:04,580 --> 01:47:06,660
61 million dollars sounds like a lot.

1239
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:08,380
Could you kind of walk through?

1240
01:47:09,260 --> 01:47:15,540
I mean, what I would call the real carryover is a much smaller number.

1241
01:47:15,540 --> 01:47:27,800
And the larger number is really very as grant funds, reserve funds, like health insurance fund,

1242
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:35,120
risk management, things like that that both the county has and the school board has in terms of establishing

1243
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:39,420
some reserves for future eventualities.

1244
01:47:39,420 --> 01:47:43,740
So if you kind of, for purposes of the citizens walking home, if they say, oh,

1245
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:45,220
gee, we're 61 million.

1246
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:45,920
There's your own.

1247
01:47:46,180 --> 01:47:48,720
And that's not really the case.

1248
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:54,920
You just don't kind of clarify that the real carryover is, what does it?

1249
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:55,980
Report millions of seven.

1250
01:47:57,380 --> 01:47:58,800
It's much, much to our amount.

1251
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:04,080
As part of the agreement, of course we have a $2 million emergency contingency

1252
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,920
and the general fund that is required to be carried away in the year after year.

1253
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,080
And so our total general fund carrier

1254
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,920
were included in the T-Lion contingency.

1255
01:48:13,140 --> 01:48:16,360
Incombrates things, which are carrier repurchase orders,

1256
01:48:16,940 --> 01:48:19,900
57,000, 377,000, $7,000 in 72 cents.

1257
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:27,040
And then the remaining carrier, we have $827,000, $2,000, $5,000,

1258
01:48:27,060 --> 01:48:29,900
and 51 cents that is allocated to major capital

1259
01:48:29,900 --> 01:48:32,360
and the same amount is allocated to minor capital.

1260
01:48:33,140 --> 01:48:35,920
So that makes a total amount of $3,7 million.

1261
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:39,380
that we surplus in the general fund, our operating fund,

1262
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,180
that is allocated according to this interim policy.

1263
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:47,260
The remaining funds are 57.7 million.

1264
01:48:47,860 --> 01:48:49,500
These include our fleet fund,

1265
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,940
just under a million dollars, our instructional resources fund,

1266
01:48:53,540 --> 01:48:55,520
which is money that we gave up for textbooks

1267
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,160
and online resources and other instructional resources.

1268
01:48:59,460 --> 01:49:03,560
We have a technology replacement fund, just under a million,

1269
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:15,140
Our total grant fund is one of our largest $10.2 million, and there's our federal grants and state grants that are set aside for a very specific purpose and cannot be used for anything else.

1270
01:49:15,740 --> 01:49:21,480
Our nutrition fund has a excess balance of $7.3 million in the commonwealth of Virginia.

1271
01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:29,460
The nutrition fund is required to attain all earnings, and they may not share with the other funds and zooity theft separate.

1272
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:36,680
We have minor capital fund carrier of our old five million, major capital amounts of

1273
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:44,240
10 million total bond fund, including the Windbird High Project of 11.8 million.

1274
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:49,060
Our health insurance fund is we are self-insured just like the county and so we build

1275
01:49:49,060 --> 01:49:55,320
up reserves to cover our claims we are paid out, the reserve balance and this is 6.4 million.

1276
01:49:55,320 --> 01:50:00,640
We have a team about into insurance, just under a million in our risk management, which helps

1277
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:05,540
us cover a lot of this compensation planes and our repair and trust funds to help with

1278
01:50:05,540 --> 01:50:07,240
the returnary and health insurance.

1279
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,460
So our total other funds are 57.7 million.

1280
01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:12,060
Thank you.

1281
01:50:12,580 --> 01:50:14,880
Any other questions for this Peter Smith?

1282
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,460
So why government, they always got little stashes everywhere.

1283
01:50:18,740 --> 01:50:19,700
Just want to clarify.

1284
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,380
Just to say, just be a thing.

1285
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:30,240
I would ask for a motion to approve the first reading of this ordinance and to schedule a second reading for January 10

1286
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:31,840
2023.

1287
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:32,420
It's already.

1288
01:50:32,740 --> 01:50:33,780
Motion to approve.

1289
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:35,240
I'm sorry.

1290
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:35,380
I'm sorry.

1291
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:36,580
Mr. Peters.

1292
01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:37,760
Yes.

1293
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:38,220
Mr. Zucker.

1294
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:39,320
Yes.

1295
01:50:40,500 --> 01:50:41,320
Mr. Radford.

1296
01:50:41,580 --> 01:50:41,700
Yes.

1297
01:50:42,220 --> 01:50:42,540
Mr. Mohandy.

1298
01:50:42,740 --> 01:50:42,960
Yes.

1299
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:43,820
Thank you.

1300
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:44,220
Thank you.

1301
01:50:44,220 --> 01:50:44,440
Thank you.

1302
01:50:53,860 --> 01:50:54,900
Thank you.

1303
01:50:54,900 --> 01:50:59,440
district regulations, and article four, use and design standards

1304
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:03,440
of the Rono County Sowning Wardens, regarding halfway houses.

1305
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,560
Mr. Fauss, thank you, Mr. Chairman, from members of the board.

1306
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:14,260
Back in July, the board requested the planning commission to look at the regulations

1307
01:51:14,260 --> 01:51:18,900
for halfway houses, and so the staff has been working with the planning commission

1308
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,940
and then are suggesting the proposed amendments.

1309
01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:30,160
So, three areas, we'll go through, first one, definitions, if you remember, the issue of light

1310
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:35,880
pelican, one of the issues that we had with the current definition, talks about accommodations,

1311
01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:41,400
rehabilitation, counseling, and supervision, and all four had to be present to the designated

1312
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:42,780
as a half-way house.

1313
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:48,920
So, we tweaked the definition of concern now reads, and the establishment providing residential

1314
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:54,080
accommodations and supervisions, persons suffering from alcohol or drug addiction or other

1315
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:58,780
similar disorders, or to persons re-emergence society after being released from a

1316
01:51:58,780 --> 01:52:03,580
correctional facility, or other institution. This used to be also provided rehabilitation,

1317
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,920
cows, and other similar services to such persons. So it kind of makes it a little broader.

1318
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:16,180
Second item is, you know, we currently own a lal, half-way house, and the AV district,

1319
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:21,520
by special use permit and in the C2 district with special use permit. So as being proposed

1320
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:28,240
to allow it by right in the AV, our Cultural Village Center District, the C1, the C2,

1321
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,880
learning districts, which is the...

1322
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:37,340
One tends to be a non-tastic commercial districts, and in the I1 and I2, the low-intensity and high-intensity industrial districts.

1323
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:42,960
It would be allowed in R1, R2, R3, and R4, as a special use permit.

1324
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:51,140
And then all of those are subject to use in a Zionist standards. So, the use in a Zionist standards that we developed.

1325
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:59,780
There are two sets, there's general standards, which would apply to all zoning districts.

1326
01:53:00,100 --> 01:53:01,080
And so there's two standards.

1327
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:06,820
One is a distance requirement that no halfway house will be located with a 500 feet of another halfway house.

1328
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:12,160
The second one is kind of taken from our short term rental use.

1329
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:16,040
And we added to it is that the applicant shall obtain a zoning permit for our document.

1330
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:24,000
occupation of the Halfway House. So it deals with that they have to provide all relevant.

1331
01:53:24,180 --> 01:53:30,920
The parcel information, the applicant's name, address, contact of who you would contact for.

1332
01:53:30,940 --> 01:53:37,940
I was all in complaints. The structure laid out of each floor, the Halfway House, but also listing of how many

1333
01:53:37,940 --> 01:53:42,060
residents there would be and also the number of staff members that would be in that facility.

1334
01:53:42,940 --> 01:53:48,800
The second set of use in the Zassandar are just applied to the A.V. District at all residential districts.

1335
01:53:49,620 --> 01:53:53,680
And so there's a massive number of people residing in the half-way house shall be five persons,

1336
01:53:54,260 --> 01:53:56,500
and that would include any overnight staff.

1337
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:02,920
The second standard is that the half-way house shall be located on a parcel of land that is five acres of greater insides.

1338
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:08,700
So for A.V. District, wilds allowed by right, it would have to be on a parcel that is five acres of greater.

1339
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:15,500
in the R1, R2, R3, R4, and the special use of that parcel also has to be five years in the size.

1340
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,680
It has to go through the process to give this question to spring.

1341
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,960
So with that, I'll take any questions that you may have.

1342
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:23,120
Well, I'll do that.

1343
01:54:23,260 --> 01:54:24,580
Thank you for this whole public hearing.

1344
01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:30,480
Last week, we just have one speaker, a gentleman, he ran an on-profit.

1345
01:54:31,980 --> 01:54:36,620
And they're looking at, he's questioning the limitations in R1 and the Ag districts.

1346
01:54:36,620 --> 01:54:39,860
And their program is more of a broader program.

1347
01:54:40,180 --> 01:54:46,120
And so what we worked off with the planning commission about as inviting him back to a future work session,

1348
01:54:46,540 --> 01:54:53,340
to talk about their program and how they do in their faith-based ministry to this program,

1349
01:54:53,980 --> 01:54:56,000
and then try to work on the solution for that.

1350
01:54:56,660 --> 01:55:02,480
But the plankers did recommend approval of these amendments now to get any questions that you may.

1351
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,680
Any questions Mr. Combs?

1352
01:55:08,150 --> 01:55:09,730
Well, let me point to say one thing.

1353
01:55:10,510 --> 01:55:14,330
I feel if I want to thank staff and the planning commission for working through this.

1354
01:55:14,610 --> 01:55:16,270
I think this is a good step.

1355
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:25,970
I think that in one respect we have opened up opportunities to address this problem,

1356
01:55:26,170 --> 01:55:28,970
the serious problem that affects all our citizens,

1357
01:55:30,690 --> 01:55:33,230
and particularly in the commercial and industrial other areas.

1358
01:55:33,230 --> 01:55:38,250
I think we place some structure through the use and design standards.

1359
01:55:39,670 --> 01:55:41,490
I see this as a positive step.

1360
01:55:42,290 --> 01:55:47,890
I think the board for initiated helping to initiate this process.

1361
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:50,110
So with that, I'm sorry.

1362
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:52,550
I'm making motion for approval.

1363
01:55:53,470 --> 01:55:58,050
With the second reading for January 2, 2021.

1364
01:55:58,650 --> 01:55:59,390
We have a second.

1365
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:05,560
Yes.

1366
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:07,020
Yes.

1367
01:56:08,260 --> 01:56:08,760
Yes.

1368
01:56:10,580 --> 01:56:10,700
Yes.

1369
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:12,100
Thank you, sir.

1370
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,000
Item G's appointments.

1371
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:16,460
Does any board members have an appointment?

1372
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:18,820
That's not otherwise been given to the clerk.

1373
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:22,640
Item H is our consent agenda.

1374
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,860
We have seven items on our consent agenda.

1375
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:31,080
All matters listed under the consent agenda are considered by the board to be routine.

1376
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:38,640
and will be enacted by one resolution in the form or form to list it below, and if discussion

1377
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:43,100
is desires that, I would have can be removed from the consent agenda and will be considered

1378
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:43,700
separately.

1379
01:56:44,460 --> 01:56:48,160
Does any board member want to remove an item from the consent agenda?

1380
01:56:49,060 --> 01:56:49,740
Question to a person.

1381
01:56:50,220 --> 01:56:50,580
Second.

1382
01:56:51,460 --> 01:56:58,240
I don't want to necessarily remove it, but I'd like to ask the board under item 5 with respect

1383
01:56:58,240 --> 01:56:59,220
to our calendar,

1384
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:03,740
any interest in moving

1385
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:10,340
our meeting next November back a week, or would you

1386
01:57:10,340 --> 01:57:11,800
want to keep it as it is?

1387
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:19,060
My thought was, if we moved it back a week since we only have one meeting in November and December,

1388
01:57:20,500 --> 01:57:25,400
it gives a little more distance between the last meeting in October and the meeting in November.

1389
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:35,700
It also gives a little bit greater time for the Planning Commission and Planning staff to transmit materials to us for our public hearing.

1390
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:51,060
The downside with that is the Virginia Association of Counties Annual Meeting would probably be the weekend before the Tuesday.

1391
01:57:51,060 --> 01:57:59,140
And so I'm kind of wondering is there any is there any interest in altering that calendar and if not

1392
01:58:01,100 --> 01:58:03,360
Just keep it as it'll show

1393
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:11,020
No, it would certainly be if if we know if I could be that following week that then you'd likely have moved it up to Wednesday as well

1394
01:58:11,020 --> 01:58:12,500
Yes, sir. And with the uncertainty

1395
01:58:16,500 --> 01:58:18,200
I think that's fine

1396
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:18,600
Yeah

1397
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:27,320
I'm looking at the calendar, and I think I'm having a hard time understanding that it's currently proposed for the eight, which is the day after election day.

1398
01:58:28,060 --> 01:58:30,940
And so you're proposing the 15, the following Wednesday.

1399
01:58:30,980 --> 01:58:32,760
Yeah, that's right.

1400
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:46,480
That assuming that the vehicle annual conference, and I was hoping that several board members have not all of us could attend, because I think the vehicle conference is a valuable initiative.

1401
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:47,900
It's at the home state.

1402
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:49,580
It's that weekend.

1403
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:54,360
It's the 12 13 14th of our call.

1404
01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:56,140
That best best design.

1405
01:58:56,580 --> 01:58:58,120
Understand from what they go does.

1406
01:58:58,140 --> 01:59:00,920
And you think it would be better to have the meeting after a vaco?

1407
01:59:01,140 --> 01:59:01,600
Well, Wednesday.

1408
01:59:02,780 --> 01:59:04,720
Yeah, to 15th is ever.

1409
01:59:05,340 --> 01:59:05,580
Yeah.

1410
01:59:05,580 --> 01:59:06,980
That makes sense to me.

1411
01:59:07,780 --> 01:59:11,520
But the clerk has pointed out that I think it would have to be Wednesday.

1412
01:59:11,740 --> 01:59:12,900
It would have to be the 15th.

1413
01:59:13,020 --> 01:59:14,540
And the negative to that is.

1414
01:59:14,540 --> 01:59:19,480
is our board, all our citizens are used to meeting us, meeting us, meeting our two states.

1415
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:20,200
And stuff.

1416
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,900
Well, we'd stop to meet on a Wednesday because of the election day most likely.

1417
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:24,740
It's true.

1418
01:59:26,500 --> 01:59:27,060
I don't want to come in.

1419
01:59:27,420 --> 01:59:30,340
Yeah, I'm going to take your day.

1420
01:59:30,380 --> 01:59:31,160
I'm going to take your day.

1421
01:59:31,260 --> 01:59:32,280
I'm going to take your day.

1422
01:59:32,900 --> 01:59:32,940
I'm going to take your day.

1423
01:59:32,940 --> 01:59:34,800
I'm going to take your day.

1424
01:59:35,340 --> 01:59:37,080
The board is comfortable with the 15th.

1425
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:40,500
Could we amend that part and still adopt the consent agenda?

1426
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:43,200
We're going to remove item five, wouldn't we?

1427
01:59:49,820 --> 01:59:57,940
So if I could have a motion to approve the consent agenda, item 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7.

1428
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:22,720
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, yes, Mr. Noorford, yes, Mr. Randford, yes, Mr. Hanger. Yes, I would move approval of item H5 as amended so that instead of meeting in November on November 8th, we meet on November 15th.

1429
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:29,000
I'm just asking for a case of, we do have the dates for forebacon next year.

1430
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,080
I think so.

1431
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:33,420
Well, then I'm not going to be the eighth because of the election.

1432
02:00:34,860 --> 02:00:38,080
So the reason I was asking, because that would happen over the election,

1433
02:00:38,300 --> 02:00:39,180
it's going to be the middle of the election.

1434
02:00:39,180 --> 02:00:39,660
Well, I understand.

1435
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:42,420
I'm saying Saturday that Saturday that fall,

1436
02:00:42,420 --> 02:00:44,040
we can be a veterans day.

1437
02:00:44,460 --> 02:00:45,560
So I didn't know if that would.

1438
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:47,000
Okay.

1439
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:47,900
I mean, I don't know.

1440
02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:50,600
I'm usually starts with Saturday, but for most people,

1441
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:55,260
or I will Sunday, 40th of July, usually historically

1442
02:00:55,260 --> 02:00:57,900
fake oath as met after the election,

1443
02:00:58,200 --> 02:00:59,700
but the weekend after the election.

1444
02:01:00,020 --> 02:01:02,500
I just saw the holiday there, that's always nice.

1445
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:06,550
So is your motion for presentation?

1446
02:01:06,750 --> 02:01:07,450
I made a motion.

1447
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:08,330
So I can.

1448
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:10,890
I'm Mr. Faders.

1449
02:01:11,390 --> 02:01:12,110
Yes, Mrs. Hookle?

1450
02:01:12,690 --> 02:01:13,230
Mr. Noah.

1451
02:01:13,330 --> 02:01:13,850
Yes.

1452
02:01:13,850 --> 02:01:14,630
Mr. Radford.

1453
02:01:14,990 --> 02:01:16,130
For November 15th.

1454
02:01:16,270 --> 02:01:17,150
For November 15th.

1455
02:01:17,230 --> 02:01:17,310
Yes.

1456
02:01:18,030 --> 02:01:18,330
Mr. Mahindra.

1457
02:01:19,450 --> 02:01:22,630
Item I is citizen comments and communications.

1458
02:01:23,810 --> 02:01:28,650
I do not have any all the citizen communications I have or for deceiving.

1459
02:01:28,910 --> 02:01:30,670
Madam Clerk, do you have any?

1460
02:01:31,190 --> 02:01:32,870
I am Jay reports.

1461
02:01:33,590 --> 02:01:39,790
I move that we receive and file the seven reports that are listed in our agenda.

1462
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:41,150
Do I have a second?

1463
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:43,290
Madam Clerk.

1464
02:01:44,230 --> 02:01:44,790
Mr. Peters.

1465
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:45,390
Yes.

1466
02:01:46,670 --> 02:01:47,190
Mr. Noorth.

1467
02:01:47,230 --> 02:01:47,870
Yes.

1468
02:01:47,870 --> 02:01:53,370
to Bradford's. Yes, it's my honey. Yes, I am pay as work sessions. Now we have a work session

1469
02:01:53,370 --> 02:02:00,910
scheduled to discuss Department of Social Services staffing with Board, Susan Gold, the Director

1470
02:02:00,910 --> 02:02:07,290
of Social Services Rebecca Owens and Mr. Elliott will be handling that. We will now

1471
02:02:07,290 --> 02:02:13,570
recess and go up to the third floor for this work session and we will return at 7 o'clock

1472
02:02:13,570 --> 02:02:16,650
for our evening session, public hearings.

1473
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:16,460
Among them, people carrying flags of the German Reich.

1474
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:19,700
A symbol that is now associated with Germany's far-right.

1475
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:25,620
And you have QAnon spilling across from the other side of the Atlantic.

1476
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:28,220
What do you think about Germany's chancellor, Angola Merkel?

1477
02:03:28,500 --> 02:03:32,020
Because internationally, she's been praised for the way she's dealt with the coronavirus crisis.

1478
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:34,640
I think she's hit in a stolt of...

1479
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:37,480
...and she's hitler's no heir to this, I think.

1480
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:46,400
And finding a very neat overlap in terms of the conspiracy theory with the citizens of the right.

1481
02:03:55,270 --> 02:04:03,500
Both belief that there's a deep state, both belief that basically governments are not real,

1482
02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:08,360
that they run the people, that there's sort of, you know, these elites that basically enrich

1483
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:13,440
themselves that are decadent and that don't look after the people and that there is a need

1484
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:18,500
for some kind of revolutionary moment, right? Some kind of cleansing.

1485
02:04:22,380 --> 02:04:26,120
And so in the spring of 2020,

1486
02:04:26,540 --> 02:04:34,220
there was a big NATO exercise that was planned in Germany. It was called Defender Europe 20,

1487
02:04:34,220 --> 02:04:36,660
which was scaled back because of the pandemic.

1488
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,480
This was a moment when conspiracy theory circles,

1489
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:43,700
in particular, Kianan, followers, then started saying

1490
02:04:43,700 --> 02:04:46,300
that this was actually the government in Germany

1491
02:04:46,300 --> 02:04:50,440
using a fake pandemic to support this secret plan

1492
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:55,120
by President Donald Trump, who was coming to liberate Germany

1493
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:57,600
and finally turn its into a sovereign country.

1494
02:04:58,420 --> 02:05:01,680
So this was a gift to the conspiracy theory world

1495
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:07,920
And it was also the moment where this rice burger or citizens of the right movement just jumped

1496
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:12,500
on QAnon traffic online, because this just worked for them.

1497
02:05:12,740 --> 02:05:18,260
Well, I mean QAnon spread in various European countries, but in the non-English-speaking world,

1498
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:26,000
no country was as receptive towards the QAnon Conspiracy Theory. Germany had some 200,000 followers

1499
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:31,020
of QAnon at the time. And you have these Facebook groups and these telegram channels that actually

1500
02:05:31,020 --> 02:05:36,760
are now shared by these rice burger, by these citizens of the Reich, and the QAnon followers.

1501
02:05:37,580 --> 02:05:44,600
So these two conspiracy theories basically become one. And that kind of supercharges, QAnon and

1502
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:47,860
Germany, and it definitely supercharges the Reich's burger.

1503
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:55,200
The fascinating thing, just the moment when QAnon is taking off in the U.S. because people

1504
02:05:55,200 --> 02:06:00,220
are stuck at home and locked down and on the internet and very aggrieved about the role of government,

1505
02:06:00,220 --> 02:06:06,440
And the same thing's happening in Germany, and so the Riceberger movement is being joined

1506
02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:11,160
by its American counterpart, and the two, it seems like are feeding and amplifying each

1507
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:13,060
other, especially in Germany.

1508
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:15,160
And it's curious.

1509
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:20,260
So you have this incredibly, you know, Germany's specific movement rooted in German history,

1510
02:06:20,260 --> 02:06:26,740
you know, kind of German grievances, linking up with this incredibly American inspired

1511
02:06:26,740 --> 02:06:29,120
conspiracy theory, and they find each other.

1512
02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:34,220
And, of course, what's especially ironic about that is that isn't the center of the right-spirger plot.

1513
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:39,860
Antipathy for America as an occupying force and yet suddenly an American conspiracy theory is feeding that.

1514
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:41,480
It's all very tricky.

1515
02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:46,480
Well, and they overcome that, of course, by seeing an ally in Donald Trump.

1516
02:06:46,940 --> 02:06:54,220
I mean, one of the incredible things I remember from one of these marches is when, you know, these people marched with Trump posters, with Q posters.

1517
02:06:54,220 --> 02:07:00,780
Sometimes even with Putin posters, I mean basically Putin Trump, they're all heroes for these

1518
02:07:00,780 --> 02:07:01,220
people.

1519
02:07:01,900 --> 02:07:05,800
And for them it all makes sense, because Donald Trump was fighting the deep state, remember,

1520
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,060
that was QAnon's assertion.

1521
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:13,640
And of course, Donald Trump was considered the savior in Germany, by those who hoped

1522
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:18,720
that he was finally the guy who would negotiate that peace treaty and give Germany its independence

1523
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:19,200
again.

1524
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:29,880
Anyways, it is sort of these multiple crisis that build on each other and give.

1525
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:38,020
These people, the kind of sense of urgency, now it seems that several of them felt compelled to act,

1526
02:07:41,220 --> 02:07:42,060
will be right back.

1527
02:08:07,710 --> 02:08:11,890
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1528
02:08:12,610 --> 02:08:18,490
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02:08:32,070 --> 02:08:35,550
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Berlin, Bureau Chief, Catherine Benhold, on the story behind a highly organized plot to overthrow

1546
02:09:39,180 --> 02:09:44,040
Germany's government. So, Captain, how do all of those forces that you just described connect

1547
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:47,620
back to this plot that was just disrupted in Germany?

1548
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:54,240
I mean, in many ways, this group is kind of a perfect cross-section of the super-aclective

1549
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:58,580
mix of people that we saw on the streets during the pandemic and that often connected online

1550
02:09:58,580 --> 02:10:04,620
and in the internet and these rabbit holes over conspiracy theories, right? So, you have an

1551
02:10:04,620 --> 02:10:11,020
And as a heretic, kind of alternative medical doctor, you've got a pilot, you've got a classical

1552
02:10:11,020 --> 02:10:11,680
tenor.

1553
02:10:12,200 --> 02:10:17,120
And then there was this former lawmaker from the AFD, as far-right party, who still had access

1554
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:17,720
to parliament.

1555
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:22,880
And the ringleader was someone who considers himself a prince.

1556
02:10:26,050 --> 02:10:33,250
Heinrich, the 13th, basically ran this separation from this tiny little village in the state

1557
02:10:33,250 --> 02:10:39,190
of the syringe, which is known for having quite a lot of far-right sympathies in the hunting

1558
02:10:39,190 --> 02:10:39,690
lodge.

1559
02:10:40,630 --> 02:10:41,590
And it kind of fits.

1560
02:10:42,070 --> 02:10:49,250
This is a guy who was the descendant of this 700-year-old minor German noble family,

1561
02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:55,110
which, before World War I, did rule over this tiny state in Eastern Germany.

1562
02:10:55,950 --> 02:11:01,050
And so, because of the noble background of his family, he is incredibly nostalgic

1563
02:11:01,050 --> 02:11:07,390
for this pre-1918 German Empire when his own ancestors ruled over this piece of land.

1564
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:13,710
So he had embraced this conspiracy theory and was now involved with this group and hoping to become

1565
02:11:13,710 --> 02:11:16,090
the post-cooled leader of Germany.

1566
02:11:19,230 --> 02:11:21,830
So he has a very personal stake in this movement

1567
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:27,790
and it sounds like he very much wishes for the restoration of his own nobility and power

1568
02:11:27,790 --> 02:11:32,770
in Germany that long exists. Absolutely. And it was in his hunting lodge

1569
02:11:32,770 --> 02:11:37,090
that many of these meetings took place where, you know, the political wing of this group

1570
02:11:37,090 --> 02:11:41,450
plotted what the future government would look like who would take which brief the classical

1571
02:11:41,450 --> 02:11:46,330
tenor would be the culture minister, you know, the former lawmaker, who's also a judge

1572
02:11:46,330 --> 02:11:50,870
in fact an acting judge until she was arrested, would become the Justice Minister and would

1573
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:57,910
repeat this national purge in Germany, a kind of Nuremberg 2.0 in reference to the post-Nazi

1574
02:11:57,910 --> 02:12:03,810
trials led by the Allies and Germany. But there was also this military wing consisting of these

1575
02:12:03,810 --> 02:12:08,330
former soldiers and current soldiers and police officers, people who knew how to deal with weapons

1576
02:12:08,330 --> 02:12:13,630
and they would occasionally do target practice in the forest behind we hear from a television

1577
02:12:13,630 --> 02:12:23,110
sources and store weapons and ammunition in the basement. How close did this ever really come to

1578
02:12:23,110 --> 02:12:30,930
being a plausible revolution, an actual overthrowing of the government.

1579
02:12:32,610 --> 02:12:38,530
So nobody really believes that they had the capability to actually take down the government.

1580
02:12:39,690 --> 02:12:44,790
They had fantasies that all the kind of security staff of the Bundestag, the German Parliament,

1581
02:12:44,930 --> 02:12:49,850
which has joined them, that ultimately, like a lot of these conspiracy theorists, they

1582
02:12:49,850 --> 02:12:55,750
were presenting this majority and as soon as they would kick off this war or this coup that

1583
02:12:55,750 --> 02:12:58,090
the majority of the people would be grateful and join them.

1584
02:12:58,350 --> 02:13:00,570
But nobody I spoke to believes that this is the case.

1585
02:13:00,830 --> 02:13:06,590
They would have eventually been subdued what they did have the capability to do given

1586
02:13:06,590 --> 02:13:12,590
how many of their members were well-armed and well-trained and given that they had the access

1587
02:13:12,590 --> 02:13:17,210
because of this formal lawmaker inside their group was to enter

1588
02:13:17,210 --> 02:13:21,930
parliament do a lot of damage potentially kill a lot of people so what we're

1589
02:13:21,930 --> 02:13:27,730
talking about here is a very serious terrorist threat and this is what security

1590
02:13:27,730 --> 02:13:33,670
services are ultimately very concerned about right a January 6th style event in this

1591
02:13:33,670 --> 02:13:35,110
case it seems perhaps even

1592
02:20:47,500 --> 02:20:58,020
We are returning to our evening session for December 13th, 2022. The board held its regular open session

1593
02:20:58,020 --> 02:21:04,380
beginning at 3 o'clock today and after 3 o'clock, we have a lengthy work session trying

1594
02:21:04,380 --> 02:21:10,940
to address some issues and some problems and some staffing problems for our department social services,

1595
02:21:11,700 --> 02:21:15,620
but we are resuming our meeting tonight at 7 o'clock.

1596
02:21:15,620 --> 02:21:24,700
The next item on our agenda item L-1, that was a petition of pan-to-storeed rentals and sales.

1597
02:21:25,020 --> 02:21:31,740
So obtain a special use permit for equipment sales and rentals and a special use permit for many warehouses.

1598
02:21:32,180 --> 02:21:38,420
On approximately 4.82 acres of land zone C2, high-intensity commercial district,

1599
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:46,780
Located at the 5,300 block of West Main Street and the 5,400 block of Pleasant-Rune, Run, Drive, and Ketava.

1600
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:53,080
That public hearing has been postponed until January 10th, 2023.

1601
02:21:54,160 --> 02:22:00,240
The second item on our agenda item L2, that is a petition of Barnett Properties LLC,

1602
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:09,400
to reason approximately 9.38 acres from our 3C medium density multi-family residential district with

1603
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:19,480
conditions, our one low density residential district, I1C low intensity industrial district with conditions,

1604
02:22:20,540 --> 02:22:29,960
C2C, high-intensity commercial district with conditions, and C1, low-intensity commercial district, two C2C high-

1605
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:55,680
Anfensity commercial district with conditions for retail sales located in the 4400 block of Bramleton Avenue, including 4449 and 4457 Bramleton Avenue and the 4500 and 4600 blocks of Old Cave Spring Road. All of this is located in the Windsor Hills Magisterial District. Mr. Thompson.

1606
02:22:56,580 --> 02:22:58,940
Good evening, Mr. Chairman, the numbers of the board.

1607
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:01,760
So the rezoning you have before you.

1608
02:23:01,880 --> 02:23:08,100
11 parcels, five different zoning conditions on seven parcels.

1609
02:23:08,940 --> 02:23:11,700
For previous rezoning, I'm 1980 and 1985.

1610
02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:16,040
So the intent is to rezoning all to C2 for retail sales.

1611
02:23:17,780 --> 02:23:19,920
Quick location, here are the parcels.

1612
02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:24,520
Located on the Brables in Avenue and Old Case Spring Road.

1613
02:23:24,520 --> 02:23:27,840
across the street from Cotton Hill Road,

1614
02:23:28,060 --> 02:23:28,940
a close-up of the road,

1615
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:32,660
a couple of avenues could be across from Proger

1616
02:23:32,660 --> 02:23:34,040
and Boe Jambles.

1617
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:36,580
Again, as you mentioned,

1618
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:38,700
it's the 4400 block of Brown and Avenue,

1619
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:42,240
and the 4500 and 4600 blocks of gold piece,

1620
02:23:42,400 --> 02:23:45,540
bring the road, 9.38 acres,

1621
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:46,960
currently on the property,

1622
02:23:47,220 --> 02:23:48,920
there are two single family residences,

1623
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:50,560
and then nine of the parcels are vacant,

1624
02:23:51,460 --> 02:23:53,720
and they are proposing retail sales use.

1625
02:23:56,240 --> 02:24:03,920
There are two existing entrances to the property, this entrance gives access to the

1626
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:10,220
residential houses, and one of the entrances that will be modified for the proposed retail

1627
02:24:10,220 --> 02:24:10,820
sales.

1628
02:24:11,080 --> 02:24:17,620
So looking back, going up the driveway from Browlton Avenue, this is a vantage point.

1629
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:23,340
Up the driveway looking back towards Browlton Avenue, you can see Bojangles across the street.

1630
02:24:24,820 --> 02:24:30,280
property is generally, it's open and what it has, what it buffers along the

1631
02:24:30,280 --> 02:24:35,340
property lines as well. As you can see, some of this is where it's open and a

1632
02:24:35,340 --> 02:24:42,820
lot of the property lines you do have. The other entrance, which I think I'll

1633
02:24:42,820 --> 02:24:46,100
we'll be going familiar with, was used by VEDOT for many years, for their maintenance

1634
02:24:46,100 --> 02:24:53,320
operations. It's now removal and other operations that we do for maintaining our

1635
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:56,660
roadways, so that's just that lot.

1636
02:24:56,860 --> 02:24:58,460
And again, looking back across the street,

1637
02:24:58,660 --> 02:25:01,140
we can see the fuel station, and also

1638
02:25:01,140 --> 02:25:05,280
program the background and the intersection

1639
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:07,440
at an old-team road.

1640
02:25:09,380 --> 02:25:12,060
One thing you'll see on the concept plan is they

1641
02:25:12,060 --> 02:25:15,600
are lengthening both the through and the turn lanes,

1642
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:19,220
they're at old-team, lane, more storage.

1643
02:25:19,860 --> 02:25:22,360
But it's not about that, I'm also a little bit later.

1644
02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:29,640
So, regal sales, the sale of rental, the sale of rental with its sell service of commonly

1645
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:34,660
used goods, the merchandise is for personal or household use, those things are more

1646
02:25:34,660 --> 02:25:36,720
specifically listed in our zoning ordinance.

1647
02:25:37,740 --> 02:25:45,840
Obviously, it's not permitted in the R3 or R1, it's a special use of the C1 and is allowed

1648
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:46,880
at I1 and C2.

1649
02:25:47,300 --> 02:25:51,680
So, the intent is to clean up the entire site, zone it the C2 or be a permitted use.

1650
02:25:52,360 --> 02:25:56,180
existing profit conditions, again, from 1980, 1985,

1651
02:25:56,200 --> 02:25:59,260
would remove this part of the zoning action.

1652
02:26:01,480 --> 02:26:04,220
Concept plan, the original concept plan, we'll talk about the rise

1653
02:26:04,220 --> 02:26:05,540
one here in a second.

1654
02:26:07,180 --> 02:26:11,380
Retest else building, 48,841 square feet,

1655
02:26:12,220 --> 02:26:17,900
shows the proposed drive through on the eastern side of the building,

1656
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:20,360
244 parking spaces.

1657
02:26:20,360 --> 02:26:27,260
They will provide access, both from Old Peace Green Road and Bramletin, modifying those existing

1658
02:26:27,260 --> 02:26:28,940
entrances that exist today.

1659
02:26:29,900 --> 02:26:35,700
They show them stormwater management facility on the Old Peace Green Road side, near

1660
02:26:35,700 --> 02:26:39,500
the property nearest Old Peace Green Road.

1661
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:45,240
They are showing landscape buffers, which are required, and you have C2 next to R1.

1662
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:51,860
They also have sidewalks proposed along the access roads, but also along the old piece

1663
02:26:51,860 --> 02:26:58,360
bringing road, and obviously they need some retaining walls to balance the site as well.

1664
02:26:59,500 --> 02:27:05,660
I'm going to show this is also pushed in your packet part of the concept plan, I'll go back

1665
02:27:05,660 --> 02:27:05,920
here.

1666
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:14,960
So on this diagram there is two cross section lines, section A goes from old piece ring road to

1667
02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:20,820
the residential subdivision on the eastern side of the property, and then section B goes

1668
02:27:20,820 --> 02:27:26,720
from Brampton Avenue through the building to the back property to the northern property.

1669
02:27:27,780 --> 02:27:35,400
So with those, the first one, the top diagram shows what the cut and fill, the dash lines,

1670
02:27:35,540 --> 02:27:42,780
the existing grade, what they're showing is the proposed cut and fill on the site, again,

1671
02:27:42,780 --> 02:27:45,780
So you have on the top photo, all kinds of ring rotors

1672
02:27:45,780 --> 02:27:49,080
to the right-hand side of the diagram as you go up

1673
02:27:49,080 --> 02:27:52,120
to see the access drive, and then that you will cut a notch.

1674
02:27:52,420 --> 02:27:56,240
In the topography for the building, pad and the parking,

1675
02:27:57,500 --> 02:27:59,400
retaining wall beyond that, and then as you notice,

1676
02:28:00,020 --> 02:28:02,260
the residential subdivision to the eastern side

1677
02:28:02,260 --> 02:28:04,980
sits higher than where the building is.

1678
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:09,420
The bottom diagram, ground from the avenues on the left-hand side,

1679
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:11,540
going back towards the back of the property line,

1680
02:28:11,540 --> 02:28:17,720
you can see where again, they're still cutting to put in the building so it'll sit a little lower

1681
02:28:17,720 --> 02:28:25,000
than the current elevations that are on the site. This was also in your packet. This is kind

1682
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:34,960
of showing the improvements both to Ramoton Avenue and to Old Case Brain Road. So the entrance

1683
02:28:34,960 --> 02:28:41,520
off of Ramoton Avenue is right in right out. They also have a little bit of a turn lane on

1684
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:49,020
property to go into that right in right out. On OP spring road, I got mentioned earlier,

1685
02:28:49,220 --> 02:28:55,100
they're lengthening, the left turn, lane, and the through, you can see where their entrance

1686
02:28:55,100 --> 02:29:01,840
is lining up with the probe of fuel station, the tapers back, having a turn lane that would

1687
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:09,380
turn into the site. The other thing they show is a 75-foot left turn lane into that entrance

1688
02:29:09,380 --> 02:29:09,960
as well.

1689
02:29:10,780 --> 02:29:15,620
It's a reconfiguration and extension of those roadway of that roadway to make those improvements.

1690
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:24,260
It's just a zoning, as I mentioned, five different zoning categories with different conditions.

1691
02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:32,520
Surrounding zoning to the north as R1 to the east of the C2 to the west as R1 and to the south as R1 and C2C.

1692
02:29:33,500 --> 02:29:38,800
So some commercial development adjacent to it, but also as well as R1.

1693
02:29:40,040 --> 02:29:46,260
The future land use plan, both is transition and neighborhood conservation.

1694
02:29:47,260 --> 02:29:53,160
So transition is a, what future land use area that incurses the orderly development of highway-frontage parcels.

1695
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:58,240
Generally serves as a developed offer between highways and nearby adjacent lower and dense development.

1696
02:29:58,240 --> 02:29:59,980
reach intense.

1697
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,780
Three tail and highway, we're in terms of using some more discouraged. So, again, this proposal is not consistent with that transition, future land use designation.

1698
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:16,800
Name of conservation has been anywhere. It is a future land use where you try to maintain the existing development pattern. It's a established single-family neighborhoods.

1699
02:30:18,340 --> 02:30:28,080
And so, to try and encourage that existing development pattern, again, the proposed reasoning is not consistent with that neighborhood conservation, future land use designation.

1700
02:30:30,170 --> 02:30:30,950
Thank you, commission.

1701
02:30:31,430 --> 02:30:38,090
They held a public hearing, November 1st, so a little more than a month ago, had levitates

1702
02:30:38,090 --> 02:30:43,610
in the speak during the public hearing, raised a lot of different concerns, a lot of

1703
02:30:43,610 --> 02:30:49,030
concerns with buffers, both with the buffer width, the high-deefencing, lighting, was an

1704
02:30:49,030 --> 02:30:55,030
issue raised traffic, traffic safety, you know, a lot of comments about traffic, storm

1705
02:30:55,030 --> 02:31:01,910
management, the proximity of the development to neighboring residences. At that point, there

1706
02:31:01,910 --> 02:31:06,990
were no proper submitted with the application concerns about noise and the operation of

1707
02:31:07,690 --> 02:31:13,790
that retail use, amount of parking for this use type. In fact, there was a little more

1708
02:31:13,790 --> 02:31:19,750
parking than it was needed. The question about property values, the height of the proposed

1709
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:26,730
building and comments about the close proximity to its grossest store in the need, is there

1710
02:31:26,730 --> 02:31:29,410
need for another grocery store.

1711
02:31:31,610 --> 02:31:34,150
So, the Plan Commissioners closed the public hearing

1712
02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:40,410
discussed those issues that were raised. They had certain concerns that you wanted to address.

1713
02:31:42,090 --> 02:31:47,350
And one to see that advocate was going to go back and address those issues. One dealt with,

1714
02:31:47,350 --> 02:31:51,470
And there was no proper dealing with conformers to the concept plan.

1715
02:31:52,670 --> 02:31:59,790
There was concerns about the location of the retail use building, especially on the northern

1716
02:31:59,790 --> 02:32:00,750
property line.

1717
02:32:01,270 --> 02:32:03,850
And see if there was a way they could increase that buffer.

1718
02:32:04,350 --> 02:32:09,870
Then they talked also to request the conversation about hours of operation and if there

1719
02:32:09,870 --> 02:32:10,470
would be profits.

1720
02:32:10,670 --> 02:32:15,130
So, I should bet they postponed action until they're December 6 meeting.

1721
02:32:15,130 --> 02:32:20,970
The applicant has submitted a revised concept plan and signed a proper statement.

1722
02:32:22,110 --> 02:32:24,070
So the revised concept plan,

1723
02:32:26,430 --> 02:32:28,370
what they did was they increased the buffer.

1724
02:32:29,230 --> 02:32:35,590
So the access points generally located, same place, parking, some of the parking got rearranged.

1725
02:32:36,270 --> 02:32:43,690
But they have a 40-foot buffer instead of a 30-foot buffer, and they also increased the screening.

1726
02:32:43,690 --> 02:32:49,910
So you're hard to have a six foot fence, screened fence, and they have on their concept plan

1727
02:32:49,910 --> 02:32:54,970
show what eight foot screening and long, not only the northern property line, but also the

1728
02:32:54,970 --> 02:32:57,370
eastern and the little bit of the southern.

1729
02:32:57,570 --> 02:33:02,950
So wherever are one of the butts, the property, the Haitians, they are showing a 40 foot buffer

1730
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:11,530
landscape buffer, and we'll have an eight foot fence on that part of that buffer.

1731
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:20,900
It's really then changed that dynamic issues, the crease buffer, with all these

1732
02:33:20,900 --> 02:33:27,560
cross-section drawings, submit the process when along with that revised

1733
02:33:27,560 --> 02:33:32,700
concept plan, is that the site will be developed in substantial performance of the concept plan,

1734
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:39,580
prepared by Lemson Associates, dated August 30, 2022, and revised November 30, 2022,

1735
02:33:39,580 --> 02:33:45,380
suggesting change required during the conference of site plan review process and then hours of

1736
02:33:45,380 --> 02:33:51,080
operation, hoping the public shall be no earlier than 6 a.m. in the earlier than 12 a.m. each day.

1737
02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:57,520
So, on December 6th, the planning commission voted to recommend approval of the Resonatory

1738
02:33:57,520 --> 02:33:59,980
request with those two proper conditions.

1739
02:34:01,900 --> 02:34:04,260
Then, take any questions in the afternoon.

1740
02:34:04,260 --> 02:34:07,440
Board member, have any questions, Mr. Bradford?

1741
02:34:11,060 --> 02:34:13,620
Bill, what's our resolve operation mean?

1742
02:34:15,420 --> 02:34:17,680
So, it's just when they're open to the public.

1743
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:22,280
There's some conversation about, you know, with that involved.

1744
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:25,040
You know, some stores will restock at night.

1745
02:34:25,380 --> 02:34:29,920
So, it wouldn't prohibit that amount into the store would not be open to the public.

1746
02:34:32,580 --> 02:34:39,280
So, how about dumpsters coming at 3, 3 AM in a morning and dumps and stuff, how is that to me and handle?

1747
02:34:40,180 --> 02:34:42,200
I will let the applicant address that.

1748
02:34:42,220 --> 02:34:47,080
I think they can speak about the operations of the intended user of property.

1749
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:49,160
I think they'll address that.

1750
02:34:49,440 --> 02:34:49,560
Okay.

1751
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:51,860
I think it's not, I think with their going to say,

1752
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:55,780
they'll work around that and do it during the hours of operation,

1753
02:34:56,460 --> 02:34:57,500
but I'll let them speak to that.

1754
02:34:57,560 --> 02:34:57,840
Okay.

1755
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:03,940
And you talked about the parking, there's a lot, there's more parking, and most required.

1756
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:07,260
Did we require that or did the applicant do that?

1757
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:08,120
Applicant typically.

1758
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:11,460
So there's certain, and this is good.

1759
02:35:11,460 --> 02:35:13,400
There was then, for example, Tagwood Mall.

1760
02:35:13,700 --> 02:35:13,820
Right?

1761
02:35:13,820 --> 02:35:18,340
Our requirement is a lot less than what a retailer we want to have.

1762
02:35:19,700 --> 02:35:22,980
For there, for their lease or for what they require,

1763
02:35:23,100 --> 02:35:24,980
the part of them to be able to develop.

1764
02:35:24,980 --> 02:35:31,020
They have a certain criteria of so much part spaces for values where feet typically is higher

1765
02:35:31,020 --> 02:35:32,020
than the counter-fars.

1766
02:35:33,780 --> 02:35:39,340
And then, where they added the additional storage, how many vehicles does that add?

1767
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:40,540
I'll let them speak for that.

1768
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:46,080
They have a better length of what that does as far as the other traffic engineer who's here as well.

1769
02:35:46,180 --> 02:35:50,000
Well, as Lumpston associate, if you have any questions about the concept plane.

1770
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:50,740
Okay.

1771
02:35:51,860 --> 02:35:52,540
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1772
02:35:55,260 --> 02:35:58,660
Do we have a representative of the petitioner here?

1773
02:35:59,140 --> 02:35:59,240
Yes.

1774
02:35:59,780 --> 02:36:00,960
Would you like to speak?

1775
02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:03,800
Also, if you have other questions for V dot,

1776
02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:06,520
we do have a V dot representative here as well.

1777
02:36:18,030 --> 02:36:18,350
You see?

1778
02:36:20,390 --> 02:36:20,550
Yes.

1779
02:36:20,810 --> 02:36:21,830
I got

1780
02:36:25,380 --> 02:36:25,880
it.

1781
02:36:47,490 --> 02:36:47,510
Sir.

1782
02:36:47,990 --> 02:36:49,450
There you go.

1783
02:36:49,710 --> 02:36:50,010
Thank you.

1784
02:36:51,810 --> 02:36:52,470
Good evening.

1785
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:55,910
I'm Alan Mainis with Barnett Properties.

1786
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:58,830
We're based in Henderson North Carolina with offices in Raleigh,

1787
02:36:59,050 --> 02:36:59,850
North Carolina also.

1788
02:36:59,850 --> 02:37:03,370
with me here tonight is Halle Barnett, president of our company.

1789
02:37:04,770 --> 02:37:12,350
Our traffic engineer Larry Green, with Weatherrill Engineering, and Andrew Lumpton with Lumpton Associates here in Roenwick.

1790
02:37:16,500 --> 02:37:19,580
This is a look at the properties subject to this petition.

1791
02:37:19,860 --> 02:37:23,880
We have 11 parcels to her and totally 9.38 acres.

1792
02:37:24,620 --> 02:37:26,980
And as you can tell by the way you read that into the record,

1793
02:37:27,180 --> 02:37:28,900
it's a mixed bag of zoning currently.

1794
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:34,940
There are two existing residents that live on the property for more than 40 years.

1795
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:39,240
We can see the two houses at the top of the driveway there.

1796
02:37:39,800 --> 02:37:44,300
And then also the DOT property, as I was mentioned, Mr. Thompson.

1797
02:37:46,620 --> 02:37:52,540
There are the site drains generally, this plan is oriented with north to the right of the chief.

1798
02:37:52,540 --> 02:37:58,440
So the site drains generally from West East was one of the entering

1799
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:03,000
Ludwig Creek at the Northeast corner of the site with around 90

1800
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:04,500
feet of fall across the site.

1801
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:10,420
This is the revised concept plan that was a result of the planning

1802
02:38:10,420 --> 02:38:11,460
commission hearing.

1803
02:38:12,280 --> 02:38:16,820
We went back and worked with the tenant to arrive at the 40 foot buffer.

1804
02:38:17,620 --> 02:38:21,420
It took some of the sizing in the site, but we think we can make that work.

1805
02:38:21,420 --> 02:38:26,960
As you'll see, there are the full access driveway, we'll be on the overcase marine road.

1806
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:30,240
We'll be right in right out driveway to Bramwell, and at Avenue,

1807
02:38:33,420 --> 02:38:39,660
the grading will required some significant retaining walls to accommodate this, both in the cut side and the fill side.

1808
02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:47,720
And as we said, a fairly steep topography is fairly typical of this area.

1809
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:53,400
In addition to the 40 foot landscape buffers, which exceed the 30-state required by ordinance,

1810
02:38:53,660 --> 02:39:00,420
we are offering the eight foot screen fence against all residential properties, which exceeds the six foot requirement.

1811
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:12,580
Site lighting will meet your ordinance as well and use cut off site fixtures to eliminate the layer to the besides to really force the light down onto the parking area, which is the intent.

1812
02:39:14,150 --> 02:39:35,150
The two cross sections which you've already seen once again go to all of these, other than say really from the West, coming down to the store, it sits well below those neighboring properties in that direction, and any light poles would be of the type that would cast that light down on that upper sideways.

1813
02:39:39,020 --> 02:39:42,680
Let Larry talk about some of the findings from the traffic, his traffic study.

1814
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:52,400
Okay, Alan, again, prior to our study, we consulted V dot and wrote out county to determine

1815
02:39:52,400 --> 02:39:57,460
what intersections we might study to analyze the impact of the proposed development.

1816
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:02,720
And we came up with V dot and consultation with V dot.

1817
02:40:02,860 --> 02:40:12,660
We came up with the six intersections that we would study, one particular finding that we

1818
02:40:12,660 --> 02:40:23,560
road, we did find a poor level of service during the Saturday peak hour, a level of service

1819
02:40:23,560 --> 02:40:26,100
but would we

1820
02:40:28,910 --> 02:40:33,450
analyze that intersection we came up with an improvement to basically lengthen

1821
02:40:33,450 --> 02:40:41,190
the right turn lane from Bramilton Avenue all the way back to our site, which helped the

1822
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:46,370
significantly and actually improve the level of service down to an acceptable level of service

1823
02:40:47,230 --> 02:40:48,550
D. Operations.

1824
02:40:50,790 --> 02:40:57,350
In addition, we strike D-75 foot inbound left turn lane, one overcase

1825
02:40:57,350 --> 02:41:01,850
green road to accommodate traffic coming from that direction.

1826
02:41:13,460 --> 02:41:18,100
The next thing I would show you is conceptual elevations of what the building might

1827
02:41:18,100 --> 02:41:24,520
like, let's say these are consensual and insurgic to be modified as we move through the process,

1828
02:41:25,360 --> 02:41:31,120
but important features will be its predominantly brick building on my sides and use a mixture

1829
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:37,900
of materials and some articulation of the building to give it some relief and some architectural

1830
02:41:37,900 --> 02:41:39,260
interest as well.

1831
02:41:41,410 --> 02:41:46,690
So in conclusion few things to note, per your ordinance C2 is intended for

1832
02:41:46,690 --> 02:41:51,350
major arterial roads, and anyone that's driven Brambleton, I think, would agree that it

1833
02:41:51,350 --> 02:41:52,530
would meet that test.

1834
02:41:54,130 --> 02:41:58,930
We are, by the request, down zoning, a portion of the property from industrial to commercial,

1835
02:42:00,230 --> 02:42:06,350
not to mention that current residents have lived aside and industrialize on site for decades

1836
02:42:06,350 --> 02:42:09,330
now this would clean up some of that incongruity.

1837
02:42:11,210 --> 02:42:17,450
One measure of the intensity of development is floor area ratios, the ratio of your square

1838
02:42:17,450 --> 02:42:22,190
footers of floor two, the square footer jitter property. Our proposal would be a low

1839
02:42:22,190 --> 02:42:30,530
FAR of only 0.12 or 12 percent. That's half or less of many of the other commercial properties

1840
02:42:30,530 --> 02:42:38,590
long rambleton that has significantly higher FALs. It's a more consistent with the small scale

1841
02:42:38,590 --> 02:42:44,490
planned and cluster's retail that's discussed in transition area. There'd be minimal impact

1842
02:42:44,490 --> 02:42:51,170
above the infrastructure and less than a multi-family proposal would have on this site, minimal

1843
02:42:51,170 --> 02:42:57,950
impact above the X-HD and once again less than a multi-family proposal would have. The roadway improvements

1844
02:42:57,950 --> 02:43:02,450
And so we'll fully mitigate the traffic and his own respects, as I imagine improved it

1845
02:43:02,450 --> 02:43:03,590
over what it is today.

1846
02:43:04,750 --> 02:43:08,550
Would that we appreciate your consideration and happy to take any questions?

1847
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:12,030
Mr. Raffer?

1848
02:43:12,370 --> 02:43:13,170
Yeah, thank you.

1849
02:43:13,970 --> 02:43:16,950
So I asked the questions that Mr. Thompson answered.

1850
02:43:18,530 --> 02:43:22,850
So why so much more parking than above the standard?

1851
02:43:23,750 --> 02:43:25,630
Absolutely a requirement of the tenant.

1852
02:43:26,210 --> 02:43:32,670
But we would not necessarily want that much, but it's the question has been asked and answered

1853
02:43:32,670 --> 02:43:38,530
they must have it, especially with a standalone store where there's no other businesses

1854
02:43:38,530 --> 02:43:40,450
to share parking with.

1855
02:43:40,830 --> 02:43:42,330
That ratio isn't bored at all.

1856
02:43:43,810 --> 02:43:47,850
Are they planning that code lease in that building or are they going to be the only kind of?

1857
02:43:47,870 --> 02:43:49,350
No, it'll be a single tenant.

1858
02:43:49,350 --> 02:43:51,350
thing going through.

1859
02:43:51,890 --> 02:44:00,250
So back to the traffic gap, you put in the extra length, how much stacking do we pick

1860
02:44:00,250 --> 02:44:01,250
up on that intersection?

1861
02:44:01,450 --> 02:44:04,810
How many cars, number of cars, the y'all?

1862
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:10,630
You're talking about from 221 back to our driveway?

1863
02:44:10,830 --> 02:44:11,390
Correct.

1864
02:44:11,890 --> 02:44:12,350
Your engines?

1865
02:44:13,030 --> 02:44:13,050
Yeah.

1866
02:44:13,050 --> 02:44:14,710
On old case for anyway.

1867
02:44:14,810 --> 02:44:19,310
I think we can accommodate about 20 vehicles in that, which is significant

1868
02:44:19,310 --> 02:44:22,990
we longer than we can 20 more or a total of that.

1869
02:44:23,050 --> 02:44:23,970
That's 20 total.

1870
02:44:24,810 --> 02:44:25,090
Okay.

1871
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:27,530
That's just in that right turn lane.

1872
02:44:27,870 --> 02:44:28,710
The right turn lane.

1873
02:44:29,730 --> 02:44:29,890
All right.

1874
02:44:30,130 --> 02:44:32,170
So we've got three lanes there.

1875
02:44:32,570 --> 02:44:32,690
Yes.

1876
02:44:33,150 --> 02:44:33,370
Okay.

1877
02:44:33,370 --> 02:44:34,390
You got the turn laps.

1878
02:44:34,450 --> 02:44:36,510
You got the straight going through and the right.

1879
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:37,110
Yes.

1880
02:44:37,270 --> 02:44:37,730
Okay.

1881
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:38,470
Yes.

1882
02:44:38,510 --> 02:44:43,450
And that was that's really the problem currently is that the right turn

1883
02:44:43,450 --> 02:44:50,210
man to go south on to 21 is great and what happens is because of that short right

1884
02:44:50,210 --> 02:44:55,030
turnway now it stills into the thrilling and it actually attempts at certain times

1885
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:59,490
queues back which would be beyond our driveway now but will be.

1886
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,720
Even with building our project, when we lengthen that right turn lane all the way back to our driveway, that

1887
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:12,300
cleans up the queue and the queue actually doesn't reach the driveway, wherever we're imposing.

1888
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:17,300
So, and that's why the level of service dropped from it to acceptable level of service.

1889
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:23,420
Okay. So, then the right-in right-out driveway to Brimmelton will, you know, drive traffic, right?

1890
02:45:23,420 --> 02:45:25,340
I mean, it's not even good for that intersection.

1891
02:45:26,700 --> 02:45:34,040
I'm reading some notes that I got from some citizens, one says that the traffic study,

1892
02:45:34,320 --> 02:45:40,080
but there was no traffic study between the intersection of K Spring Lane and an old K Spring Road.

1893
02:45:40,780 --> 02:45:44,060
Is that information you got from VDOT or...

1894
02:45:46,450 --> 02:45:49,990
So you back up, you got to back up to get to that intersection?

1895
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:57,130
So, yes, when we stoked our study, B.D. did not demate as a critical intersection to analyze,

1896
02:45:57,350 --> 02:45:59,270
so we did not analyze that particular intersection.

1897
02:45:59,770 --> 02:46:01,930
So, B.D. was a...

1898
02:46:02,410 --> 02:46:02,570
Okay.

1899
02:46:03,070 --> 02:46:03,830
We're ready.

1900
02:46:08,330 --> 02:46:09,230
That's all I've got to track.

1901
02:46:09,430 --> 02:46:11,150
Just a couple more questions.

1902
02:46:12,730 --> 02:46:15,370
The fence, you're going to...

1903
02:46:15,370 --> 02:46:16,210
8-foot fence.

1904
02:46:16,250 --> 02:46:17,030
What's your material?

1905
02:46:17,370 --> 02:46:18,450
I'm going to be on that.

1906
02:46:19,710 --> 02:46:21,290
It's looking for maintenance.

1907
02:46:22,030 --> 02:46:25,630
Yeah, I mean, that comes into a wheel on it and maintain it.

1908
02:46:25,950 --> 02:46:32,990
The intention is a privacy fence, opaque, that you, a physical and a visual barrier.

1909
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:37,810
So the 100% opaque, whether that's wood or vinyl, or...

1910
02:46:38,810 --> 02:46:38,950
Right.

1911
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:42,510
So I'll also ask earlier,

1912
02:46:46,190 --> 02:46:48,410
what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your,

1913
02:46:48,410 --> 02:46:51,730
the tenants policy of the old dumping dumpsters.

1914
02:46:52,770 --> 02:46:54,330
The tenant will contract with waste management

1915
02:46:54,330 --> 02:46:56,450
just like every other business here.

1916
02:46:57,090 --> 02:46:58,890
It's hard to control waste management

1917
02:46:58,890 --> 02:47:01,330
or place a condition upon the waste management.

1918
02:47:02,010 --> 02:47:03,030
They would communicate to them

1919
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:04,470
that they would prefer it here in the day,

1920
02:47:04,670 --> 02:47:08,310
but I believe your noise ordinance would come in to play there.

1921
02:47:08,690 --> 02:47:10,650
Also, if they were doing it through all hours,

1922
02:47:11,750 --> 02:47:13,170
that would make the county ordinance

1923
02:47:13,170 --> 02:47:15,570
equivalent to a lot of them as anywhere else.

1924
02:47:15,570 --> 02:47:20,810
Okay. So a question to my attorney, our theater.

1925
02:47:21,250 --> 02:47:22,150
Yes, sir.

1926
02:47:23,070 --> 02:47:27,850
Noise ordinance, 7 a.m. correct? 7 a.m. till 10 p.m.

1927
02:47:28,670 --> 02:47:31,490
General, that is the hours for the noise ordinance.

1928
02:47:31,790 --> 02:47:36,970
I'll pull that up right now as we're speaking just to verify that that's specifically applies to this situation.

1929
02:47:37,550 --> 02:47:37,830
Okay.

1930
02:47:38,010 --> 02:47:39,250
Thank you very much.

1931
02:47:39,250 --> 02:47:44,090
And it's in and would communicate that to the hall or but I'm on sure waste management's aware of that

1932
02:47:44,090 --> 02:47:50,910
Probably since they're already serving area. Gotcha. Okay. Very good. That's all I have for right now. Mr.

1933
02:47:50,990 --> 02:47:56,070
question on the lighting in the neighborhood I live in. There are some citizens

1934
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:58,850
complain about lighting

1935
02:47:58,850 --> 02:48:02,170
on the Jason retail business and

1936
02:48:03,510 --> 02:48:05,600
they change the lighting they put in

1937
02:48:06,280 --> 02:48:09,180
And this thing would be might want to add to this.

1938
02:48:09,320 --> 02:48:13,840
They put in some lighting that didn't show so much clarity.

1939
02:48:13,980 --> 02:48:17,280
They put like a deflectors, what I'm trying to say on the lights.

1940
02:48:18,780 --> 02:48:21,520
Two questions, how high are these light poles going to be?

1941
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:25,080
Are they going to be higher than the buffer fence?

1942
02:48:26,040 --> 02:48:29,920
And secondly, are they going to have deflectors on them?

1943
02:48:30,680 --> 02:48:37,800
The way we plan to use cut-off shields is the term, yes, with the way it helps to cast that light down.

1944
02:48:38,380 --> 02:48:44,340
It'd be a shoe box type fixture that only shines down does not shine up.

1945
02:48:45,080 --> 02:48:48,300
When you get into design pole heights, very important to you.

1946
02:48:48,460 --> 02:48:56,380
At 30 feet typically it becomes, you're the shorter the poles, the more poles you're going to have to get the added.

1947
02:48:56,380 --> 02:49:06,500
So 30 feet is a typical, so the fence has got to be like 40 feet or 40 foot wide buffer with an eight foot fence, okay, so there's a cross section.

1948
02:49:06,500 --> 02:49:09,560
Yes, cross section shared you,

1949
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:19,520
they would not be taller than not yet to the level of the residences to the west, so that's where the parking field really is.

1950
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:24,340
at the back of the store that wouldn't need to be as tall.

1951
02:49:24,480 --> 02:49:26,960
That's not the real parking fee.

1952
02:49:27,300 --> 02:49:28,740
I'll put you.

1953
02:49:29,260 --> 02:49:31,480
Sir Chairman, I have found applicable provisions

1954
02:49:31,480 --> 02:49:32,680
of the noise ordinance.

1955
02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:34,980
And to answer Mr. Radford's question,

1956
02:49:35,160 --> 02:49:36,840
there are two provisions of the noise ordinance

1957
02:49:36,840 --> 02:49:38,080
that would be used to likely build.

1958
02:49:38,380 --> 02:49:39,180
Yes, of course.

1959
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:41,520
There are the two provisions of the noise ordinance

1960
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:43,020
that would potentially apply.

1961
02:49:43,540 --> 02:49:46,100
The first is the loading or unloading of trucks

1962
02:49:46,100 --> 02:49:48,660
outdoors within 100 yards

1963
02:49:48,660 --> 02:49:54,800
of a residential dwelling between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. the following day that

1964
02:49:54,800 --> 02:49:59,860
could be a that would be a violation. The second is the operation of a trash collection

1965
02:49:59,860 --> 02:50:06,540
vehicle between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. and such a manner as to be plainly audible

1966
02:50:06,540 --> 02:50:11,200
at any residents 100 or more yards away.

1967
02:50:14,970 --> 02:50:17,970
It sounds like waste management has got to listen to our

1968
02:50:17,970 --> 02:50:20,190
I'm sure they've been told that before.

1969
02:50:20,490 --> 02:50:20,970
I guess.

1970
02:50:21,090 --> 02:50:23,970
Invite me to remind them of that.

1971
02:50:25,650 --> 02:50:26,770
Any other questions?

1972
02:50:28,510 --> 02:50:29,490
Mr. Traffic Person.

1973
02:50:33,190 --> 02:50:33,950
Talk.

1974
02:50:34,530 --> 02:50:35,630
I want to follow up.

1975
02:50:35,710 --> 02:50:39,050
Maybe I didn't understand Mr. Radford's question about queuing.

1976
02:50:39,690 --> 02:50:45,590
If I am driving from 221 from Brambleton.

1977
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:52,830
And I'm going to make the left hand turn that I guess what I would call the main entrance in and out.

1978
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:59,130
When I look at the concept plan, it had a 75 foot distance.

1979
02:51:00,430 --> 02:51:05,890
It is a 75 foot distance, the length of the left turn lane.

1980
02:51:06,110 --> 02:51:08,390
It is the length of the storage lane now.

1981
02:51:08,390 --> 02:51:16,850
So keep in mind, and again that holds about three, three vehicles or so, we're anticipating

1982
02:51:16,850 --> 02:51:21,290
that most of the traffic coming from 2201, but actually choose to use the right and right

1983
02:51:21,290 --> 02:51:25,210
out access on 2201 to access the site.

1984
02:51:26,030 --> 02:51:29,890
There could be people coming in on okay spring road as well.

1985
02:51:31,050 --> 02:51:38,290
But when we did our Q&A analysis, 75 feet was all that's required, however, if more stacking

1986
02:51:38,290 --> 02:51:43,570
Because it's needed, it's going to be basically a back-to-back left-turn lane so that some

1987
02:51:43,570 --> 02:51:47,930
of those vehicles could spill into the opposing left-turn lane that the service to 21.

1988
02:51:49,090 --> 02:51:56,350
So your hope is more people will use the right-in right-out off of Bramilton, and that

1989
02:51:56,350 --> 02:52:02,410
the other traffic load will be coming from the other direction on Old Cave Spring to make

1990
02:52:02,410 --> 02:52:03,030
the right-turn.

1991
02:52:04,670 --> 02:52:05,670
That's the hope.

1992
02:52:06,170 --> 02:52:06,450
Yes.

1993
02:52:06,450 --> 02:52:13,690
But again, if the queueing is not enough, we're not going to prevent more than three of you to do that.

1994
02:52:15,830 --> 02:52:17,890
I've got a very little question then.

1995
02:52:19,030 --> 02:52:26,650
So if you're coming east on Bramilton and you're going to turn left on the old case spring road,

1996
02:52:27,370 --> 02:52:29,970
then you're going to go left because that's where a lot of traffic's in it.

1997
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:35,680
Come from, because everybody lives that direction. A lot of them do.

1998
02:52:38,680 --> 02:52:43,160
So there's not a separate left-handling to turn.

1999
02:52:43,180 --> 02:52:45,600
I'm sorry, to turn left into the site you're talking to.

2000
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:49,860
Correct. There's, oh, okay. No.

2001
02:52:52,160 --> 02:52:54,420
Excuse me, are you talking to another term line?

2002
02:52:54,560 --> 02:52:56,060
Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

2003
02:52:56,060 --> 02:52:57,300
I don't know. I don't know.

2004
02:52:57,300 --> 02:53:04,650
I don't know.

2005
02:53:05,270 --> 02:53:08,150
You're right there at the entrance of the Crogour gas.

2006
02:53:08,870 --> 02:53:09,630
There's nothing.

2007
02:53:09,970 --> 02:53:11,270
Is there anything there at a stack?

2008
02:53:11,450 --> 02:53:12,630
Or is that the 75 feet?

2009
02:53:12,850 --> 02:53:13,630
That's 75 feet.

2010
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:14,110
Yeah.

2011
02:53:14,310 --> 02:53:15,770
There's a dedicated left turn.

2012
02:53:15,890 --> 02:53:16,130
Okay.

2013
02:53:16,750 --> 02:53:16,910
Larry.

2014
02:53:17,770 --> 02:53:19,650
That's hard to see on this.

2015
02:53:20,650 --> 02:53:21,910
There's a drawing here.

2016
02:53:22,830 --> 02:53:23,870
I couldn't.

2017
02:53:26,450 --> 02:53:27,410
Could you.

2018
02:53:27,430 --> 02:53:31,710
Could you put whatever slide number it is that has the concept plan.

2019
02:53:32,210 --> 02:53:33,950
So that people can see it.

2020
02:53:34,110 --> 02:53:36,870
And I mean, I'm assuming that many of the citizens

2021
02:53:37,890 --> 02:53:45,190
We'll probably want to refer to the concept plan, either that, or...

2022
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:45,410
Yeah.

2023
02:53:45,610 --> 02:53:47,210
There's a presentation of folks.

2024
02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:51,780
You were, I was fucking David.

2025
02:53:51,800 --> 02:53:52,340
That's it.

2026
02:53:52,340 --> 02:53:56,080
I guess I was concerned because if I'm coming from where I live in K-Spring...

2027
02:53:56,080 --> 02:53:56,320
Right.

2028
02:53:56,440 --> 02:53:57,520
I'm coming down Colonial.

2029
02:53:57,680 --> 02:53:58,920
I'm crossing over Brambleton.

2030
02:54:00,140 --> 02:54:03,120
And I probably keep on going straight through the intersection.

2031
02:54:03,460 --> 02:54:04,780
And then I want to make the left turn.

2032
02:54:05,760 --> 02:54:07,660
What like you're crossing the Crowger fueling station.

2033
02:54:07,660 --> 02:54:17,760
And if you have 75 feet, I was figuring, you might fit five cars in 75.

2034
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:19,700
I don't know, I'm just guessing how long the car is.

2035
02:54:20,500 --> 02:54:25,980
My point is you're going to back up and you might be blocking the through traffic.

2036
02:54:27,240 --> 02:54:33,980
Well, you could actually go into a little bit of the opposing left turn line.

2037
02:54:34,080 --> 02:54:35,540
So you would be blocking the through traffic.

2038
02:54:35,540 --> 02:54:36,300
I understand.

2039
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:41,220
But it's our hope that a fair amount of people would, if you're coming across

2040
02:54:41,220 --> 02:54:44,860
Cologne, you would choose to turn left and then they're waiting to the site.

2041
02:54:45,880 --> 02:54:50,720
And I'm sure I'll make many people mad in the audience because since I live in

2042
02:54:50,720 --> 02:54:53,840
K-Spring, I tend to use that as a cut-through to get the 419.

2043
02:54:54,660 --> 02:54:57,020
I don't go immediately up Shaperrell and make the left.

2044
02:54:57,360 --> 02:54:59,440
I use that as sort of the back way around.

2045
02:55:01,100 --> 02:55:02,900
I don't think that's a secret call.

2046
02:55:02,900 --> 02:55:11,380
Well, now I can see a lot of traffic coming as you're coming down colonial when you cross over.

2047
02:55:11,700 --> 02:55:13,800
That is a heavily trafficked intersection.

2048
02:55:15,100 --> 02:55:16,640
Any other questions for the applicant?

2049
02:55:18,320 --> 02:55:21,720
Mr. Radford, I know you had some V-dock question.

2050
02:55:21,840 --> 02:55:27,600
Would you want to ask the V-dock folks to speak or would you rather I go into the public hearing?

2051
02:55:27,680 --> 02:55:29,180
Yeah, no one in the public hearing.

2052
02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:31,640
I'm a hold on the need for questions.

2053
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:32,420
Thank you.

2054
02:55:32,420 --> 02:55:32,800
Thank you.

2055
02:55:32,880 --> 02:55:35,140
We may call you back up because we may have some questions later.

2056
02:55:36,340 --> 02:55:38,680
I would like to open the public hearing.

2057
02:55:39,740 --> 02:55:45,300
I'd like to remind the speakers to please state your name and your address and try to speak

2058
02:55:45,300 --> 02:55:49,200
into the microphones at the podium and so you have to, if you have to pull them down a little

2059
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:51,840
bit so that everybody can hear, that would be good.

2060
02:55:52,640 --> 02:55:53,480
You have three minutes.

2061
02:55:53,980 --> 02:55:54,580
We have

2062
02:55:57,330 --> 02:56:04,450
18 speakers, so what will happen is, I'll probably take a break.

2063
02:56:04,450 --> 02:56:06,930
sometime in the middle of that time.

2064
02:56:07,690 --> 02:56:10,330
So let's start with the first speaker.

2065
02:56:11,050 --> 02:56:17,510
Speaker number one is KC Hwag, is that close?

2066
02:56:18,050 --> 02:56:19,030
Yes, yes, yes, right.

2067
02:56:19,730 --> 02:56:21,150
Thank you, sir.

2068
02:56:21,710 --> 02:56:22,930
Thank you, sir.

2069
02:56:23,150 --> 02:56:23,790
Thank you.

2070
02:56:25,450 --> 02:56:28,130
Do you put this on the screen?

2071
02:56:31,350 --> 02:56:31,650
It's the same.

2072
02:56:39,200 --> 02:56:40,440
Tell us more, Stella.

2073
02:56:47,810 --> 02:56:49,730
Is that in your presentation?

2074
02:56:50,310 --> 02:56:53,250
I think that's slide 19, Phillip.

2075
02:56:57,490 --> 02:56:57,950
I did.

2076
02:57:09,940 --> 02:57:12,060
You want to exist the original?

2077
02:57:14,500 --> 02:57:17,120
I just need a few words.

2078
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:19,120
Thank you.

2079
02:57:38,900 --> 02:57:42,360
Mr. Chairman and Paul Limis.

2080
02:57:43,300 --> 02:57:45,080
My name is Casey Wong.

2081
02:57:45,080 --> 02:57:54,040
I'm the majority owner and HOA manager of a bombadent coming, 45-15-45-25-1.

2082
02:57:54,820 --> 02:57:56,860
That was just one

2083
02:58:06,620 --> 02:58:12,820
very constant about 18 small businesses in a bombadent coming, in

2084
02:58:12,820 --> 02:58:14,340
Co-4 medical office.

2085
02:58:15,180 --> 02:58:18,420
They take care more than 100 patient daily.

2086
02:58:19,100 --> 02:58:23,100
They all depend on only one intern, only one intern.

2087
02:58:23,100 --> 02:58:29,680
The new development proposed their second-engine and asset at a government in the

2088
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:34,740
Avenue where a prevent the car asset from the government and come and come

2089
02:58:34,740 --> 02:58:35,040
and come.

2090
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:42,120
In no more traffic, car asset from the government and come and had to wait for the

2091
02:58:42,120 --> 02:58:45,880
traffic light break for other cars mercy.

2092
02:58:45,880 --> 02:58:54,500
In a new development book, second asset in a longer than ever, there will be first

2093
02:58:54,500 --> 02:58:56,460
get into the longer than ever.

2094
02:58:57,460 --> 02:59:02,980
Carp from the longer than ever, will never get a chance to asset.

2095
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:07,440
It will choke the 18 small business.

2096
02:59:09,180 --> 02:59:14,280
Even majority member feel need to pass the return request.

2097
02:59:14,280 --> 02:59:23,540
I'm here, respectfully, asking all honorable members to make a small change on a

2098
02:59:23,540 --> 02:59:28,740
rezoning request and give the eighteenth small business in one of the comments

2099
02:59:28,740 --> 02:59:30,180
a chance to survive.

2100
02:59:31,500 --> 02:59:36,960
By making the new development, second-end interest and asset, and a one-but-and-aven

2101
02:59:38,080 --> 02:59:45,520
enter only, enter only. Since they have the main entrance in an asset, an all-case

2102
02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:54,060
we enroll already. Also, if it is agreeable, the traffic like an all-case we enroll

2103
02:59:54,060 --> 02:59:59,840
an apartment in Avenue or irregularly the car asset for the new development to the

2104
03:00:15,300 --> 03:00:29,980
The next speaker, we have a request of this speaker was unable to be here, but I believe she

2105
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:34,540
has asked the clerk to read her letter into the record.

2106
03:00:35,340 --> 03:00:36,800
And that's our next speaker.

2107
03:00:38,860 --> 03:00:48,420
Um, Joanne, my one, Holly of 52-06, Bradford Circle, previously of 76-52-1, Barry

2108
03:00:48,420 --> 03:00:49,020
Terrell.

2109
03:00:50,420 --> 03:00:53,280
I have been a resident of front of County from us 30 years.

2110
03:00:54,100 --> 03:00:58,520
For most of this time, I was working at the Veterans of Fair Medical Center in Salem.

2111
03:00:59,220 --> 03:01:04,580
As such, I'll travel daily through the intersection at which this construction is proposed.

2112
03:01:05,340 --> 03:01:10,020
Over those 28 working years, I have watched at the congestion at that intersection

2113
03:01:10,500 --> 03:01:14,220
as steadily increased as more residential areas were developed.

2114
03:01:15,280 --> 03:01:20,040
In the evening commute time, the line of waiting cars can reach back quite away

2115
03:01:20,040 --> 03:01:22,440
on the whole case being road toward McDiddy Road.

2116
03:01:22,440 --> 03:01:31,140
In 2021, a year after my retirement, I moved off Mason's knob and now located only 0.5 miles

2117
03:01:31,140 --> 03:01:34,560
from the intersection of Old Cave Spring Browlton and Colonial Abonies.

2118
03:01:35,340 --> 03:01:40,620
Since my main egress is through the intersection being considered, I have found that area

2119
03:01:40,620 --> 03:01:47,360
is conjected, excuse me, is conjected often during the day in addition to working commute

2120
03:01:48,080 --> 03:01:58,420
I fill with the addition of another large grocery store and that particular location will contribute to the probability of increased traffic accidents and

2121
03:01:58,420 --> 03:02:01,220
an already congested and highly traveled intersection.

2122
03:02:02,060 --> 03:02:04,680
Secondly, I question the need for another supermarket.

2123
03:02:05,280 --> 03:02:13,660
Across the street from a current coragos store, 0.8 miles from another coragos store, and 2.4 miles from a feed line on an electric road.

2124
03:02:13,660 --> 03:02:19,080
Sure, right there are other areas of the county with a lesser density of grocery shopping

2125
03:02:19,080 --> 03:02:21,970
choices that might be a better location choice.

2126
03:02:23,900 --> 03:02:25,060
Thank you.

2127
03:02:25,160 --> 03:02:29,520
My next speaker is Mr. Scal, your next.

2128
03:02:44,470 --> 03:02:49,090
We'll even scan a member of Board of Directors for me to play some owners of association

2129
03:02:49,090 --> 03:02:57,510
LLC for 815, for me to place court and run up for GNN24018, for me to place home owners

2130
03:02:57,510 --> 03:03:04,090
Association oral comment part one, zoning and future land use designations, but evening

2131
03:03:04,090 --> 03:03:06,030
Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

2132
03:03:06,950 --> 03:03:10,670
Department can place home owners association, respectively requested that the Ronald

2133
03:03:10,670 --> 03:03:15,450
County Board of Supervisors not approve the rezoning applications submitted by Barnett

2134
03:03:15,450 --> 03:03:20,510
Properties for the construction of a grocery store at Brampton Avenue and Old Castering

2135
03:03:20,510 --> 03:03:20,850
Road.

2136
03:03:21,690 --> 03:03:27,370
The Barnett Properties grocery store project is forcing commercial development into a predominantly

2137
03:03:27,370 --> 03:03:35,090
residential area, and onto residential land, over two-thirds of the proposed projects land

2138
03:03:35,090 --> 03:03:41,510
is zoned residential. Using a few small parcels, zoned commercial and industrial, as

2139
03:03:41,510 --> 03:03:47,230
an excuse to rezone all of this land commercial, simply compounds the original rezoning

2140
03:03:47,230 --> 03:03:52,570
mistakes. The Ronald County Government has repeatedly said that the county very much needs

2141
03:03:52,570 --> 03:03:58,950
more housing, particularly along the 419 corridor, and that land zone residential is becoming

2142
03:03:58,950 --> 03:04:04,830
increasingly scarce. Thus, the highest and best use for this land actually is residential,

2143
03:04:05,530 --> 03:04:11,510
as most of it is currently zoned, not commercial. This project runs counter to the county's

2144
03:04:11,510 --> 03:04:17,450
development priorities, and will be taking away land that could fulfill them. In fact,

2145
03:04:17,450 --> 03:04:20,410
According to the Ronald County Comprehensive Plan,

2146
03:04:20,730 --> 03:04:24,570
future land use designations about two thirds of the land

2147
03:04:24,570 --> 03:04:26,870
where the proposed grocery store will be located

2148
03:04:26,870 --> 03:04:28,750
is designated transition.

2149
03:04:29,510 --> 03:04:33,210
The remaining one third is designated residential conservation.

2150
03:04:34,010 --> 03:04:35,710
Thus, future development on this land

2151
03:04:35,710 --> 03:04:37,170
is supposed to be residential.

2152
03:04:38,030 --> 03:04:40,030
The planning department finds that, quote,

2153
03:04:40,390 --> 03:04:43,130
the proposed retail sales use is not consistent,

2154
03:04:43,570 --> 03:04:46,650
unquote, either of these residential development

2155
03:04:46,650 --> 03:04:52,970
designations. During the recent state of residential building in Rona County due to high demand

2156
03:04:52,970 --> 03:04:58,110
and low interest rates, a residential development would likely have been built on the proposed

2157
03:04:58,110 --> 03:05:04,450
grocery store land, too. And probably long before that, but the Vida properties, including

2158
03:05:04,450 --> 03:05:10,030
the depot, active since the late 1980s, at the corner of Bramilton Avenue, an old case

2159
03:05:10,030 --> 03:05:15,850
ring road, were necessary for ingress an egress to any residential development. Vida would

2160
03:05:15,850 --> 03:05:20,110
not sell the land until February 2021 to Rona County,

2161
03:05:21,010 --> 03:05:24,490
when the land should have been resowned to residential

2162
03:05:24,490 --> 03:05:27,810
in order to conform with future land use designations

2163
03:05:27,810 --> 03:05:30,090
in the Rona County Conference of Plan.

2164
03:05:30,950 --> 03:05:33,930
Did the Rona County Government give residential developers

2165
03:05:33,930 --> 03:05:36,830
an opportunity to purchase this property?

2166
03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:45,360
More recently, the proposed grocery store land has been locked up

2167
03:05:45,360 --> 03:05:49,580
since 2016 through contingency sales contracts executed

2168
03:05:49,580 --> 03:05:55,240
by Barnett and letters of agreement from its predecessor representing the grocery store company

2169
03:05:55,240 --> 03:06:00,280
with the owners. All the while residential developments proceed in this area.

2170
03:06:00,860 --> 03:06:05,800
One typical example of a single family housing development is the preserve at Mason Law.

2171
03:06:06,660 --> 03:06:11,740
Another grocery store in this area is not only disruptive to a residential area,

2172
03:06:12,200 --> 03:06:16,620
but is redundant as well. Brambleton Croger is across the street,

2173
03:06:16,620 --> 03:06:22,340
case-ring coroner's progress three minutes away, food line and a grand-in-road, eight minutes

2174
03:06:22,340 --> 03:06:27,920
away is actually closer to the residential neighborhoods of the North and West, the Barnett

2175
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:34,160
states are its primary customer base for the proposed grocery store. Thus, the economic

2176
03:06:34,160 --> 03:06:39,800
development department's formulaic assessment that the Barnett project, quote, will enhance

2177
03:06:39,800 --> 03:06:45,700
commercial diversity while providing new retail shopping opportunities for residents, unquote,

2178
03:06:45,700 --> 03:06:58,600
defies reality. There is simply no need for it. There are many areas elsewhere in the county that really do need a grocery store where this kind of development would truly create value for the community.

2179
03:06:59,460 --> 03:07:02,440
But the Barnett Business Plan is unabashedly parasitic.

2180
03:07:03,060 --> 03:07:14,160
Locate across the street from an established grocery store and pilfer from their earned customer base in an already diverse competitive adequately served market.

2181
03:07:14,160 --> 03:07:16,720
Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

2182
03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:21,540
The next speaker is Gerald Beathers.

2183
03:07:31,330 --> 03:07:44,550
Gerald Bedders, President Farmington, Place Homeowners Association, 4821, Farmington, Place Court, Rowan Oak, Farmington, Place Homeowners Association, World Comment, Part 2.

2184
03:07:45,110 --> 03:07:47,270
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Board members.

2185
03:07:47,270 --> 03:07:56,430
Old K Spring Road is a two-lane county road, appropriate for residential, neighborhood traffic but not designed for commercial traffic.

2186
03:07:56,750 --> 03:08:06,450
Traffic that will accumulate at the vicinity of the grocery store cannot be accommodated by old K Spring Road and will block its immediate intersections.

2187
03:08:06,450 --> 03:08:13,370
cues and stacking extend from Bramilton Avenue to McViddy Road and port 419 now.

2188
03:08:13,850 --> 03:08:19,570
They develop early in the morning, subside, then are at their worst late afternoon, precisely

2189
03:08:19,570 --> 03:08:21,510
the times people grocery shop.

2190
03:08:21,970 --> 03:08:27,570
It is not credible that the remedial measures for elongating left and right turn lanes

2191
03:08:27,570 --> 03:08:34,310
at Bramilton will alleviate the increase in congestion from the grocery store when it is unlikely

2192
03:08:34,310 --> 03:08:43,050
to alleviate the traffic problem now. The Weatherell Engineering Traffic Impact Analysis is inadequate

2193
03:08:43,050 --> 03:08:49,590
and incomplete rendering its projections inaccurate. And proposed remedial measures on

2194
03:08:49,590 --> 03:08:55,850
proven. First, the Weatherell Analysis omits the study intersection of old cave spring road

2195
03:08:55,850 --> 03:09:03,190
and cave spring lane. This collector road will convey most of the customers' north and west

2196
03:09:03,190 --> 03:09:07,990
designated by Barnett as the gross restores primary customer base.

2197
03:09:08,450 --> 03:09:11,290
Second, the weather-real study was conducted in February.

2198
03:09:11,970 --> 03:09:15,770
The severe winter month when traffic volume would be less.

2199
03:09:16,270 --> 03:09:19,550
At the Planning Commission hearing, weather-real said that it met with

2200
03:09:19,550 --> 03:09:21,570
V dot and Rono County officials.

2201
03:09:22,250 --> 03:09:27,310
And they decided that the old cave-spin road and cave-spring lane

2202
03:09:27,310 --> 03:09:33,630
quote is not a major enough, that is not deemed a critical intersection for the fruition

2203
03:09:33,630 --> 03:09:40,990
of this property. Further V dot said that we gave them our concurrence in the traffic study.

2204
03:09:42,390 --> 03:09:48,250
These statements by Witherale and V dot are contrary to the Rono County Police Department's

2205
03:09:48,250 --> 03:09:54,930
speed study of Cave Spring Lane eastbound at the intersection of Old Cave Spring Road conducted

2206
03:09:54,930 --> 03:09:58,630
in January 2020, seasonably comparable.

2207
03:09:59,250 --> 03:10:02,390
This study finds that cave spring lane actually supplies

2208
03:10:02,390 --> 03:10:03,650
ol caves spring road.

2209
03:10:04,170 --> 03:10:06,870
The two and a half times as much traffic late afternoon

2210
03:10:07,290 --> 03:10:09,910
and 68% more traffic morning.

2211
03:10:10,830 --> 03:10:12,790
So two things appear to be true.

2212
03:10:13,170 --> 03:10:17,090
The intersection of cave spring lane and ol caves spring road

2213
03:10:17,090 --> 03:10:21,150
is actually more critical to the traffic impract analysis

2214
03:10:21,150 --> 03:10:28,930
than mid-Middy road and two, the actual typical numbers are higher than the numbers reported

2215
03:10:28,930 --> 03:10:34,730
in the Whithrill study, that the actual traffic impacts are significantly underrepresented.

2216
03:10:35,570 --> 03:10:44,070
Moreover, driver behavior is deteriorating dangerously on K Spring Lane from 2020 to 2022,

2217
03:10:44,070 --> 03:10:51,630
The county police studies higher traffic volumes generated by grocery store inevitably

2218
03:10:51,630 --> 03:10:54,250
result and significantly more violations.

2219
03:10:55,310 --> 03:10:59,890
In the end, police enforcement can only focus on speeding and stop sign observance.

2220
03:11:00,470 --> 03:11:03,630
Such enforcement is not designed to reduce traffic volume.

2221
03:11:04,170 --> 03:11:09,410
Thus, it will have no effect on the sheer number of cars traveling, old, spring, road.

2222
03:11:10,070 --> 03:11:11,830
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2223
03:11:11,830 --> 03:11:14,250
Next speaker is Jill Beverage.

2224
03:11:24,190 --> 03:11:24,710
Good evening.

2225
03:11:24,790 --> 03:11:25,790
I'm Jill Beverage.

2226
03:11:25,930 --> 03:11:28,970
Member of the Farmington Place Home Owners Association.

2227
03:11:29,730 --> 03:11:31,970
4821 Farmington Place Court.

2228
03:11:32,450 --> 03:11:33,130
Ronald Virginia.

2229
03:11:34,270 --> 03:11:36,730
Oral comment part three from our association.

2230
03:11:38,270 --> 03:11:42,950
The Barnett grocery store will eliminate this rustic residential area.

2231
03:11:43,490 --> 03:11:49,090
And have an adverse impact on the quality of life for our surrounding residences.

2232
03:11:49,090 --> 03:11:52,750
in addition to the traffic congestion we've spoken of.

2233
03:11:53,070 --> 03:11:56,490
The grocery store itself will generate noise around the clock

2234
03:11:56,490 --> 03:11:59,670
large after hour delivery trucks

2235
03:11:59,670 --> 03:12:04,290
the forklifts the track collection and compacting

2236
03:12:04,290 --> 03:12:07,230
and some litter blown about.

2237
03:12:07,950 --> 03:12:11,350
At present, we at Farmington Place residents see the bright lights

2238
03:12:11,350 --> 03:12:14,390
from Croger CBS and the gas station now.

2239
03:12:15,450 --> 03:12:18,370
You want to enhance the county's tax base

2240
03:12:18,370 --> 03:12:23,990
Zoning R1 would allow homes needed such as patio homes, which are in high demand.

2241
03:12:24,870 --> 03:12:27,930
Was this land even put out for residential contractors?

2242
03:12:29,150 --> 03:12:35,290
With this unneeded grocery store, the property values of the numerous homes surrounding it will decline,

2243
03:12:36,230 --> 03:12:38,790
which is a decline in your county revenue.

2244
03:12:40,010 --> 03:12:45,710
In Ronald County 70 to 85% of the real estate tax base is residential real estate,

2245
03:12:45,710 --> 03:12:49,770
which is then a primary source of income for the county.

2246
03:12:50,490 --> 03:12:56,910
What should be of ultimate value in our county is its people and their quality of life.

2247
03:12:57,530 --> 03:13:03,210
We look to the county to protect us and we made the decision to purchase our homes because

2248
03:13:03,210 --> 03:13:09,990
the land was zoned residential and we assumed in good faith it would remain residential.

2249
03:13:10,930 --> 03:13:13,610
And we hope the county would honor that zoning.

2250
03:13:14,330 --> 03:13:16,830
Thank you for serving your constituents.

2251
03:13:18,010 --> 03:13:20,670
Next speaker is Rick Bibles.

2252
03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:28,120
Rick Bibles.

2253
03:13:29,360 --> 03:13:29,600
34.

2254
03:13:31,120 --> 03:13:31,860
Oak Cliff, John.

2255
03:13:32,480 --> 03:13:32,620
Airste.

2256
03:13:32,940 --> 03:13:33,640
In Ronald, Virginia.

2257
03:13:34,900 --> 03:13:36,740
Farmings in place, homeowners association.

2258
03:13:37,120 --> 03:13:38,740
Oralcoming, part 4.

2259
03:13:39,440 --> 03:13:40,320
Good evening Mr. Chairman.

2260
03:13:40,860 --> 03:13:40,980
Good evening Mr. Chairman.

2261
03:13:43,530 --> 03:13:45,860
Should the board approve the rezoning application?

2262
03:13:45,860 --> 03:13:48,940
And we respectfully ask that approval will be made

2263
03:13:48,940 --> 03:13:50,780
contention on the following conditions.

2264
03:13:51,800 --> 03:13:54,160
And force these conditions through the permitting process

2265
03:13:54,160 --> 03:13:56,740
by attaching these conditions to the various required

2266
03:13:56,740 --> 03:13:57,440
permits.

2267
03:13:58,600 --> 03:14:01,460
Ensure compliance through inspection by county enforcement

2268
03:14:01,460 --> 03:14:04,100
inspectors during construction and wind construction

2269
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:04,840
is completed.

2270
03:14:06,200 --> 03:14:08,320
Use any other legal enforcement mechanisms

2271
03:14:08,320 --> 03:14:10,320
to ensure establishment and compliance.

2272
03:14:11,540 --> 03:14:14,100
Number one, building sighting.

2273
03:14:14,100 --> 03:14:20,660
reverse the location of the grocery store building, such that the building is closest to

2274
03:14:20,660 --> 03:14:26,460
Bramilton Avenue, where other commercial buildings are located, and the back facing that

2275
03:14:26,460 --> 03:14:29,220
road rather than the residential area,

2276
03:14:31,260 --> 03:14:34,460
the front facing north rather than south. It's a building

2277
03:14:34,460 --> 03:14:40,480
is cited at the southwest corner of the property, both access drives can remain the same. This

2278
03:14:40,480 --> 03:14:45,300
is the most effective way to mitigate the noise problem, the most intrusive noise being

2279
03:14:45,300 --> 03:14:49,660
generated at the back of the building, most likely around the clock.

2280
03:14:50,860 --> 03:14:52,660
Number two, lower elevation.

2281
03:14:53,500 --> 03:14:57,020
Drop the elevation of the building and parking lot another 30 feet.

2282
03:14:57,280 --> 03:14:59,980
That is, from 1,130 feet, down so.

2283
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:11,840
1,100 feet to provide a buffer for noise and light for the large number of residences adjacent to the project. The store and its parking lot are already much higher than on case spring road.

2284
03:15:14,230 --> 03:15:30,030
Number three, buffers own to buffer from the adverse impacts and to maintain some semblance of this rustic residential area, install a 40-foot landscape buffer of the dense kind surrounding the grocery store building and parking lot bordering the residential areas.

2285
03:15:30,030 --> 03:15:38,730
In addition, an eight foot wooden fence, not chain length, should be installed between the grocery store building and parking lot in the buffer.

2286
03:15:40,210 --> 03:15:59,030
Number four, lighting restrictions, parking lot, light, pole, height, and fixture angle, and shielding should provide minimum ground illuminants, and be installed such that lighting emanating from the fixtures does not shine beyond the paved lot perimeter, and be reflective downward from the atmosphere.

2287
03:16:00,030 --> 03:16:04,550
Lighting attached to the building should also conform to this geographic and illuminates limit.

2288
03:16:05,930 --> 03:16:08,110
Number five, turn off lights at night.

2289
03:16:09,670 --> 03:16:12,530
As many lights as possible should be turned off at night.

2290
03:16:13,350 --> 03:16:16,150
This would include most of the lighting in the parking lot.

2291
03:16:16,550 --> 03:16:19,890
Only those lights necessary to illuminate access to the store

2292
03:16:19,890 --> 03:16:21,890
at the rear should be operational.

2293
03:16:22,810 --> 03:16:24,370
Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

2294
03:16:25,430 --> 03:16:28,310
Next speaker is Susan Lewis.

2295
03:16:28,310 --> 03:16:28,990
Good

2296
03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:46,340
evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

2297
03:16:47,040 --> 03:16:50,160
Susan Lewis, member of Farmington Place Homeers Association,

2298
03:16:50,780 --> 03:16:55,060
4812 Case Frame Lane, Roanoke, Virginia 24018.

2299
03:16:56,440 --> 03:17:00,080
Farmington Place Homeers Association requests for conditions continued.

2300
03:17:00,940 --> 03:17:02,880
Six, limit hours of operation.

2301
03:17:03,280 --> 03:17:06,580
The Planning Commission's recommendation to limit hours of operation

2302
03:17:06,580 --> 03:17:10,280
that is, the business hours when the store will be open to the public

2303
03:17:10,280 --> 03:17:12,840
will be helpful and is important to implement.

2304
03:17:12,840 --> 03:17:17,880
But this measure will only be partially effective in reducing noise and lighting at night.

2305
03:17:18,400 --> 03:17:24,060
Grocery stores routinely on low large trucks and restock the shells between 11pm and 7am.

2306
03:17:25,280 --> 03:17:27,160
Number seven, parking lot reduction.

2307
03:17:27,620 --> 03:17:31,240
If the building is not relocated to the southwest corner of the lot,

2308
03:17:31,540 --> 03:17:36,280
then eliminate one row of parking at the south and move the building further down south.

2309
03:17:36,620 --> 03:17:40,620
That is farther away from the adjacent residential area north.

2310
03:17:40,620 --> 03:17:47,600
Our net is already requesting more parking spaces than the county requires for this size and type of commercial development.

2311
03:17:48,660 --> 03:17:49,920
Number eight, traffic studies.

2312
03:17:50,040 --> 03:17:56,500
Since neither VDOT officials, more county officials, adequately guided and evaluated the weather-real traffic study,

2313
03:17:57,080 --> 03:18:05,100
establish a committee of effective individuals and organizations to identify and provide guidance to an objective third party,

2314
03:18:05,100 --> 03:18:12,400
not our net whether it will or will no county traffic to perform a more typical and inclusive traffic impact evaluation.

2315
03:18:13,180 --> 03:18:17,320
Conduct during months of typical traffic volume, October or April,

2316
03:18:17,820 --> 03:18:21,960
included the intersection of old case spring road and case spring lane,

2317
03:18:22,300 --> 03:18:25,680
as well as farmington place court and case spring lane.

2318
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:29,500
Consider school bus and emergency vehicle access.

2319
03:18:29,500 --> 03:18:36,000
Number nine, traffic management, apply to V dot for a traffic light at the intersection of

2320
03:18:36,000 --> 03:18:38,520
case swing lane and old-case swing road.

2321
03:18:39,260 --> 03:18:44,100
Otherwise entry on to old-case swing road from case swing lane will be virtually impossible

2322
03:18:44,100 --> 03:18:46,260
without dangerous maneuvers.

2323
03:18:46,600 --> 03:18:49,400
This includes school buses and emergency vehicles.

2324
03:18:50,600 --> 03:18:52,680
Number 10, stormwater management facility.

2325
03:18:53,120 --> 03:18:56,260
An underground stormwater management facility should be specified.

2326
03:18:56,260 --> 03:19:04,040
large enough to prevent an increase in unmanaged stormwater flow into Mudlic Creek, exacerbating flooding on

2327
03:19:04,040 --> 03:19:07,700
farmington place in adjacent properties, down and upstream.

2328
03:19:08,340 --> 03:19:13,180
According to the Rowan of County Report, evaluation of drainage concerns of farmington

2329
03:19:13,180 --> 03:19:19,980
place, this land's vicinity is at the bottom of a sizeable drainage area of, quote, 70 to 80 acres

2330
03:19:19,980 --> 03:19:23,720
on quote. At present, even without the grocery store,

2331
03:19:24,100 --> 03:19:26,980
Mudley Creek floods on to farmage and place property,

2332
03:19:27,620 --> 03:19:31,760
up to 30 feet at the east end, as quote can be expected

2333
03:19:31,760 --> 03:19:35,360
during heavy storms on quote with current storm activity.

2334
03:19:36,020 --> 03:19:39,240
After approving the design, the county agrees to inspect

2335
03:19:39,240 --> 03:19:42,100
the facility during construction, and when construction

2336
03:19:42,100 --> 03:19:44,320
is completed, to ensure that the facility

2337
03:19:44,320 --> 03:19:46,160
conforms to approved specifications.

2338
03:19:46,160 --> 03:19:50,000
We respectfully refer the board to our written comment,

2339
03:19:50,640 --> 03:19:53,600
Senate and directly to the board that provides our complete reasoning

2340
03:19:53,600 --> 03:19:55,320
evidence and specific details.

2341
03:19:56,020 --> 03:19:59,200
This written comments submitted to the board supersedes and replaces

2342
03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:02,240
the comment appearing in the Planning Commission's packet

2343
03:20:02,240 --> 03:20:04,180
previously conveyed to the board.

2344
03:20:05,100 --> 03:20:06,780
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2345
03:20:07,780 --> 03:20:10,040
Next speaker is Carol Mickey.

2346
03:20:22,910 --> 03:20:23,350
Good evening.

2347
03:20:23,750 --> 03:20:24,830
This I'm Carol Mickey.

2348
03:20:24,830 --> 03:20:28,250
Member of the Board of Directors of Farmington Plyse,

2349
03:20:28,550 --> 03:20:29,710
a Member of Association,

2350
03:20:30,850 --> 03:20:32,670
4904 Caves, BrainLine,

2351
03:20:32,990 --> 03:20:35,230
Rona of Virginia, 2401, 8.

2352
03:20:36,610 --> 03:20:39,750
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board.

2353
03:20:40,590 --> 03:20:41,510
Farmington Plyse,

2354
03:20:41,830 --> 03:20:42,910
Homeowners of Association,

2355
03:20:43,350 --> 03:20:46,250
respectfully request that the Rona County Board of

2356
03:20:46,250 --> 03:20:47,210
State Provisors,

2357
03:20:47,470 --> 03:20:49,310
do not approve the grocery store,

2358
03:20:49,410 --> 03:20:50,830
rezoning application.

2359
03:20:51,830 --> 03:20:53,990
The grocery store commercial property

2360
03:20:53,990 --> 03:21:00,110
property violates the future land desinations of this land, which specifically residential

2361
03:21:00,630 --> 03:21:04,890
development is defined by a kind of county comprehensive plan.

2362
03:21:05,230 --> 03:21:11,730
The grocery store project required rezoning the forces commercial into otherwise long-standing

2363
03:21:11,730 --> 03:21:17,690
residential zone area, and would betray residents who purchased their property, assume

2364
03:21:17,690 --> 03:21:22,030
and they could rely on the county to honor and protect the zoning.

2365
03:21:22,030 --> 03:21:27,810
A residential property would have been built on a proposed grocery store property, a long

2366
03:21:27,810 --> 03:21:28,310
ago.

2367
03:21:28,830 --> 03:21:35,650
But for V.D. properties at Brampton Road in Old Cave, Spring Lane, needed for ingress,

2368
03:21:35,650 --> 03:21:37,430
ingress, and egress.

2369
03:21:37,950 --> 03:21:43,850
V.D. refused to sell the land since 1980 until it was purchased by Ronald County in February

2370
03:21:44,830 --> 03:21:45,470
2021.

2371
03:21:46,410 --> 03:21:50,630
They're the county on for the land for sell for residential developers.

2372
03:21:50,630 --> 03:21:57,290
The grocery store will increase traffic congestion on every cave spring lane.

2373
03:21:57,770 --> 03:21:58,250
Okay, road.

2374
03:21:58,610 --> 03:22:05,590
Despite the proposed remedy measures which is already at an untenable level, further the grocery

2375
03:22:05,590 --> 03:22:11,650
store will increase already excessive congestion and speeding problems on cave spring lane.

2376
03:22:12,130 --> 03:22:17,510
The collector road then will carry most of the traffic from the target customer base north

2377
03:22:17,510 --> 03:22:20,130
and was designated by Barnett.

2378
03:22:20,690 --> 03:22:24,790
Traffic studies conducted by Ronald County Police Department

2379
03:22:24,790 --> 03:22:27,810
invalidates the weather-real traffic study

2380
03:22:27,810 --> 03:22:29,870
because it did not study the intersection.

2381
03:22:32,320 --> 03:22:40,390
In fact, the police study of January 2020 indicates that cave spring lane actually supplied

2382
03:22:40,600 --> 03:22:48,700
all cave spring road with two and a half times as much traffic late afternoon and 68% more traffic

2383
03:22:48,700 --> 03:22:51,080
of the wrong as the gritty road.

2384
03:22:52,040 --> 03:22:58,860
The proposed grocery store will ask the substantial congestion in Cape Springland in a section

2385
03:22:58,860 --> 03:22:59,520
now.

2386
03:22:59,860 --> 03:23:03,400
Moreover, the weather-real study was conducted in February.

2387
03:23:04,400 --> 03:23:10,220
There's a various winter month, a period of at least traffic, again, calling into question

2388
03:23:10,220 --> 03:23:13,900
the effectiveness of the remanete measures.

2389
03:23:14,440 --> 03:23:16,500
There's no need for this grocery store.

2390
03:23:16,500 --> 03:23:22,720
Being in this commercial diversity retail opportunities or otherwise, because there's already

2391
03:23:22,720 --> 03:23:27,400
grocery store across the street, now the three minutes and another eight minutes away,

2392
03:23:27,460 --> 03:23:33,840
which is actually closer to the designated customer base. This grocery store will substantially

2393
03:23:33,840 --> 03:23:39,740
reduce the quality of life, and therefore the desirable of this surrounding residential properties

2394
03:23:39,740 --> 03:23:47,480
do the to the perpetual noise lighting traffic congestion and so on, reducing the real estate

2395
03:23:47,480 --> 03:23:54,280
monetary value of these properties. This presumes increase the tax revenue from a commercial

2396
03:23:54,280 --> 03:24:00,060
property, we will offset the reduced property values of the numerous surrounding residential

2397
03:24:00,060 --> 03:24:00,920
properties.

2398
03:24:04,920 --> 03:24:07,000
Thank you for the opportunity, Ms. Bain.

2399
03:24:07,740 --> 03:24:10,940
Next speaker is Wayne Weaver.

2400
03:24:21,140 --> 03:24:24,540
First off, let me say I'm not weak in that you had high surgery today, sir.

2401
03:24:24,900 --> 03:24:25,640
I had a flu.

2402
03:24:26,200 --> 03:24:27,260
I'm not weak in that.

2403
03:24:28,200 --> 03:24:31,340
But anyway, I'm Wayne Weaver Board of Directors of Farmington,

2404
03:24:31,340 --> 03:24:34,080
placed a cage spring 4818 plane.

2405
03:24:34,760 --> 03:24:37,760
I was in the material handling business for 43 years.

2406
03:24:38,860 --> 03:24:41,280
As being a part of the material handling business,

2407
03:24:41,280 --> 03:24:42,740
I was a sales engineer.

2408
03:24:43,560 --> 03:24:46,480
What we did in that part of what I was...

2409
03:24:46,480 --> 03:24:52,020
What I want to bring to the table is what I did, forklifts, back up alarms,

2410
03:24:52,500 --> 03:24:56,580
requirements by OSHA, and by those with that is a federal law for every

2411
03:24:56,580 --> 03:25:01,140
pork truck to have some kind of noise beeper when that truck is going in reverse.

2412
03:25:02,520 --> 03:25:07,940
These trucks have flashing lights, they have horns and drivers are required to blow

2413
03:25:07,940 --> 03:25:12,140
the horns when they're leaving the intersection of an aisle.

2414
03:25:12,840 --> 03:25:19,680
The liftrucks horn, excuse me, back equipment, so the number of these to corroborate distribution.

2415
03:25:20,340 --> 03:25:21,900
What they do is a metal board.

2416
03:25:23,120 --> 03:25:25,440
It secures the board to the truck.

2417
03:25:25,900 --> 03:25:28,480
And the support truck goes along with the static load.

2418
03:25:28,620 --> 03:25:30,160
It makes a tremendous noise.

2419
03:25:31,300 --> 03:25:34,720
Liftrucks will know these words cause a huge amount of noise.

2420
03:25:37,940 --> 03:25:42,360
Most tractor trailers, and this is a study we done when they get all warehouse,

2421
03:25:42,360 --> 03:25:45,440
have at least 30 pallet loads on a truck.

2422
03:25:46,460 --> 03:25:52,320
So if that being said, it takes 30 trips into a truck to the rack and back into that truck

2423
03:25:52,320 --> 03:25:57,240
to offload that truck at any given time of the day.

2424
03:25:59,460 --> 03:26:01,140
Cavayers constantly running.

2425
03:26:01,500 --> 03:26:05,680
There's conveyors are stacking product from the warehouse down on a pallet.

2426
03:26:06,040 --> 03:26:10,760
These hardly ever stop and they're running almost the whole time the warehouse is opening.

2427
03:26:10,760 --> 03:26:16,160
of it. My last point of what I would like to say here is that most, and I think it's already

2428
03:26:16,160 --> 03:26:22,420
been most of the loading, is done after hours. What that means is there's nobody in

2429
03:26:22,420 --> 03:26:27,240
the store, they can get back the trucks in, offload at night, and that's when you have

2430
03:26:27,240 --> 03:26:35,760
the most noise and that noise generates way beyond word its own premises. So with my point

2431
03:26:35,760 --> 03:26:43,460
I would like to the county to re-think about where they would do something with this store and another location.

2432
03:26:44,200 --> 03:26:48,500
Again, I thank you for listening to each and every one of us, and I'll appreciate the time.

2433
03:26:49,760 --> 03:26:52,860
Next speaker is Sharon Merronick.

2434
03:26:53,520 --> 03:26:54,700
Sharon Merronick.

2435
03:26:58,380 --> 03:26:59,560
Sharon Merronick.

2436
03:26:59,780 --> 03:27:02,200
4 9 1 6 case ring lane.

2437
03:27:07,930 --> 03:27:09,050
Barbara Miller.

2438
03:27:17,960 --> 03:27:18,720
Barbara Miller.

2439
03:27:18,720 --> 03:27:21,340
I'm 49, 49, 40, Kate Springline.

2440
03:27:22,480 --> 03:27:22,980
Good evening.

2441
03:27:24,340 --> 03:27:29,820
My husband and I bought our house in Kate Springline 27 years ago.

2442
03:27:30,440 --> 03:27:32,180
We fell in love with the area.

2443
03:27:33,740 --> 03:27:40,540
Our bath yard backs up to what the lighting and everything

2444
03:27:40,540 --> 03:27:42,080
that this is going to create.

2445
03:27:42,180 --> 03:27:43,560
The noise, the lighting,

2446
03:27:46,020 --> 03:27:47,880
and that's going to be,

2447
03:27:47,880 --> 03:27:56,420
We just love the area because of the wildlife, the wonderful view, and to know that we're

2448
03:27:56,420 --> 03:27:59,700
not going to have that, it's very disappointing.

2449
03:28:01,580 --> 03:28:04,500
My next concern is the traffic.

2450
03:28:05,940 --> 03:28:12,120
I have on one side of me, four children, and on the other side, three.

2451
03:28:13,100 --> 03:28:21,920
The traffic on K-Skrain Lane is absolutely horrible, and I've cramped when those children

2452
03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:24,720
crossed that road to get to the bus stop.

2453
03:28:25,840 --> 03:28:31,980
There was one morning I saw a car pass the school bus even with the stops I announced.

2454
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:41,080
And of course I didn't get the license plate out of the car, but I did call and report it.

2455
03:28:41,080 --> 03:28:50,320
This has been some time ago, but it seems like when they come around the curve at Farmington Road.

2456
03:28:52,120 --> 03:28:56,060
The house on my left is Farmington.

2457
03:28:56,580 --> 03:28:59,280
All my right is still Cape Spring Lane.

2458
03:28:59,820 --> 03:29:07,920
And it seems like when they come around that curve, they pick up speed to go down to the Cape Spring Road.

2459
03:29:07,920 --> 03:29:16,080
I mean, it is just like for some reason they'd like to speed up so that concerns me.

2460
03:29:19,890 --> 03:29:20,190
Thank you.

2461
03:29:20,710 --> 03:29:21,150
Thank you.

2462
03:29:22,690 --> 03:29:24,030
Ruby, weaver.

2463
03:29:30,140 --> 03:29:30,740
Good evening, Chairman.

2464
03:29:30,960 --> 03:29:31,960
Members of the Board.

2465
03:29:32,600 --> 03:29:33,620
My name is Ruby Weaver.

2466
03:29:33,640 --> 03:29:35,880
I live at 4818 Cave Spring Lane.

2467
03:29:36,140 --> 03:29:39,140
I'm a member of the Formington Place Home Services Association.

2468
03:29:39,960 --> 03:29:40,820
Here are my issues.

2469
03:29:41,520 --> 03:29:46,920
The access to Cave Spring Lane for my driveway during the morning working hours and evening hours.

2470
03:29:47,320 --> 03:29:51,880
the road is heavily traveled, and the day, and during the day, and the evening.

2471
03:29:52,400 --> 03:29:54,760
There are many days when backing out of my driveway,

2472
03:29:55,320 --> 03:29:59,000
I'll stay at the top of my driveway to get clearance so that I can see clearance.

2473
03:29:59,120 --> 03:29:59,960
I have a very pitch.

2474
03:30:01,390 --> 03:30:09,650
So, in order to get out on cash-free money, I stay at the top of my driveway and make sure that there's nothing coming one way or the other.

2475
03:30:11,990 --> 03:30:23,690
There's no way of who are cars to go if there is an encounter, you're going to go in a ditch or you're going to go into a framed offense across the street for us.

2476
03:30:23,690 --> 03:30:28,790
The other issue that I have is getting our mail and our trash cans.

2477
03:30:29,970 --> 03:30:36,810
You have to really risk your life at some point in time to just go to the mailbox or bring

2478
03:30:36,810 --> 03:30:43,690
a trash can up or down, and there have been times when a neighbor might use to live there

2479
03:30:43,690 --> 03:30:49,190
actually had to jump into the ditch to avoid a car breaking her leg.

2480
03:30:50,830 --> 03:30:56,890
We've had our mailbox destroyed twice and we've had several trans receptacles destroyed.

2481
03:30:58,230 --> 03:31:06,010
We've lived in this area for 23 years, we love it, but to have enterprise come in and destroy

2482
03:31:06,010 --> 03:31:11,510
what we have built and lived there for is very disturbing to us.

2483
03:31:12,070 --> 03:31:13,250
So I appreciate your time.

2484
03:31:13,470 --> 03:31:14,350
Thank you so much.

2485
03:31:15,170 --> 03:31:18,850
The next speaker is Kirk Rowling.

2486
03:31:25,850 --> 03:31:27,730
I think we'll be a conceptual plan again

2487
03:31:30,420 --> 03:31:31,680
for our start.

2488
03:31:36,600 --> 03:31:37,780
Is that the part one?

2489
03:31:38,280 --> 03:31:38,560
Yes.

2490
03:31:39,200 --> 03:31:39,420
Yes.

2491
03:31:39,480 --> 03:31:40,260
That's nice enough.

2492
03:31:41,360 --> 03:31:43,100
My name is Kirk Rowland.

2493
03:31:43,320 --> 03:31:47,280
My wife and I live at 43-46-43.

2494
03:31:47,480 --> 03:31:48,300
She was very cool.

2495
03:31:49,240 --> 03:31:53,340
Which is the joining property to this proposed facility.

2496
03:31:54,420 --> 03:31:57,080
I want to clear up one list because that's before I get to start here.

2497
03:31:57,080 --> 03:32:04,600
They talked about the cross section through that showed a large retaining wall.

2498
03:32:04,620 --> 03:32:09,500
That is at the highest peak of the land and this is very steep land.

2499
03:32:10,180 --> 03:32:15,260
And if you look closely you'll see at the loading dock area and the address through and

2500
03:32:15,260 --> 03:32:20,120
the downstairs that the gray back there is roughly the same gray as my joining property.

2501
03:32:20,120 --> 03:32:38,480
So the really is very misleading that cut through that high spot on the whole site, it is a steep space, and all that noise, the noise ordered for the blood to ride Jason to my property, and that Kingston court name.

2502
03:32:40,680 --> 03:32:46,760
But I would like to stress the thought you guys the process and I must admit I'm a little

2503
03:32:46,760 --> 03:32:56,100
naive and the reason I request as being part of the public, I do not know how much interaction

2504
03:32:56,100 --> 03:33:02,880
they cannot perform in a zoning department as had with the petitioner and the tenant as

2505
03:33:02,880 --> 03:33:10,980
other options in the area. My concern is they developed, came in and picked this spot, and

2506
03:33:10,980 --> 03:33:15,860
I have a lot of concerns with that, and they started with the Plan and Commission's public

2507
03:33:15,860 --> 03:33:22,000
meeting in November. The developer was unwilling to name his client. Seconds were questioned

2508
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:32,860
by the petitioner for resigning denied to any proffers that showed their willingness to work

2509
03:33:32,860 --> 03:33:38,880
to C2 does not meet any of the voter county comprehensive plans, and finally, a comment

2510
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:43,340
by one of the planning commission board members stating that he likes the project because

2511
03:33:43,340 --> 03:33:47,960
it cleans up the zoning on the existing parcels of land and development to the office

2512
03:33:47,960 --> 03:33:48,780
reason and request.

2513
03:33:51,350 --> 03:33:55,210
It doesn't take a lot of research to determine that the developer's client

2514
03:33:55,210 --> 03:34:00,330
is probably a public's, and this is why I'm requesting the elected Board of Supervisors

2515
03:34:00,330 --> 03:34:07,110
and Brena County's help in a quest of thorough review of the big picture for publics.

2516
03:34:07,110 --> 03:34:12,610
And beyond the present day, we use any request before proven and offer the following

2517
03:34:12,610 --> 03:34:13,430
to this request.

2518
03:34:14,290 --> 03:34:18,190
It refers to the planning, the Department of the Executive, the summary, the economic

2519
03:34:18,190 --> 03:34:23,950
department, comments, reflect bias as the county is a property in the rezoning application.

2520
03:34:25,710 --> 03:34:30,190
In addition, the economic development states that will enhance the tax base, this tax

2521
03:34:30,190 --> 03:34:39,790
We all set somewhat due to decreased residential property values and revenue income taxes will be all set by loss of revenue and your vibration stores

2522
03:34:39,790 --> 03:34:48,150
They also state it creates desirable retail shopping opportunities. This is misleading as it does not create any new opportunities

2523
03:34:49,010 --> 03:34:50,330
Just competition

2524
03:34:51,150 --> 03:34:53,150
The developer is from North Carolina

2525
03:34:53,150 --> 03:34:58,330
And the tenant, which is probably the public, is the headquarters of the Florida, so all

2526
03:34:58,330 --> 03:35:00,470
the revenue from this project is leaving here.

2527
03:35:01,950 --> 03:35:08,510
The use of these parcels per the existing comprehensive plan, but encouraged local business

2528
03:35:08,510 --> 03:35:14,330
to build in the transition zones and keep the money in the neighborhood and in the county.

2529
03:35:15,510 --> 03:35:21,610
The second summary also states, notes the statement from the county chief police that it will

2530
03:35:21,610 --> 03:35:25,170
result in an increased demand for police services.

2531
03:35:26,590 --> 03:35:31,730
So, however, however, the big concern I have is for the future of this area, and all

2532
03:35:31,730 --> 03:35:35,090
of Southwest County, of Southwestern Virginia.

2533
03:35:35,990 --> 03:35:39,930
The conditions, clients, as most likely, products and they are looking to expand into Virginia.

2534
03:35:41,370 --> 03:35:47,570
My question to the board is, has it economic development planning departments visited other

2535
03:35:47,570 --> 03:35:54,090
and options. I'm sure politics is committed to moving into this area, but they have no other

2536
03:35:54,090 --> 03:36:01,490
facilities in this area. The closest would be Green'sboro and Winston Salem, which is five

2537
03:36:01,490 --> 03:36:07,010
stores. While they were building a refrigerator frozen distribution center in Green'sboro,

2538
03:36:07,370 --> 03:36:10,150
it's slated to be opened in operation by 2025,

2539
03:36:12,350 --> 03:36:14,930
they are competing against Groger, which has a distribution

2540
03:36:14,930 --> 03:36:21,350
consider here in Salem and has at least a dozen stores in the immediate area.

2541
03:36:25,410 --> 03:36:28,850
And my question to you guys, and you are happy to be our average, because we've been

2542
03:36:28,850 --> 03:36:32,790
for you guys, put you in your video positions, and you are my advocates and representatives.

2543
03:36:34,730 --> 03:36:40,330
So, I question, they have chosen this site that has two progress stores, a pharmacy, and

2544
03:36:40,330 --> 03:36:43,650
pharmacies, a CVS, and Walgreens, all within a mile and a few minutes.

2545
03:36:43,650 --> 03:36:50,170
We hope public provide enough of a difference in services to compete with Croker, with her

2546
03:36:50,170 --> 03:36:55,170
distribution center in this area, and until recently, actually, it was headquartered

2547
03:36:55,170 --> 03:36:56,370
regional headquarters here.

2548
03:36:57,550 --> 03:37:02,550
The runner-up County is due to his terrain, terrain does not have the capacity for future

2549
03:37:02,550 --> 03:37:05,430
growth of clientele, especially in Southwest County.

2550
03:37:06,390 --> 03:37:09,230
This is an issue that this area is dealt with for years and years.

2551
03:37:10,610 --> 03:37:17,110
So my questions are, what if the business model fails and the abandoned moving in the Southwest Virginia?

2552
03:37:18,770 --> 03:37:22,730
The Southwest County has stuck with the building that may not be able to feel.

2553
03:37:22,730 --> 03:37:29,970
The President Krueger across the street came from, is from.

2554
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:41,380
They bought from Harris Teter because Harris Teter model in this area did not work. So U-Crops is another example of a failed business model in this area.

2555
03:37:42,260 --> 03:37:48,780
So, have lots of concerns that I'm hoping that you guys are looking toward the future and will work with publics.

2556
03:37:48,840 --> 03:37:55,040
Whether it's this side or some other side, but take your time, and this don't rush it, this process has been rushed through on the public.

2557
03:37:55,040 --> 03:37:59,620
Now, I'll hope that you guys have spent the time with the petitioner to look at all options

2558
03:37:59,620 --> 03:38:00,580
to run our county.

2559
03:38:01,320 --> 03:38:05,820
The other thing is if this is a route of success, please wrap it up if you're sorry.

2560
03:38:05,820 --> 03:38:05,980
Yes, I will.

2561
03:38:06,080 --> 03:38:07,140
We're three and a half minutes over.

2562
03:38:08,360 --> 03:38:09,200
Corrovers is awesome.

2563
03:38:09,580 --> 03:38:12,400
There are three grocery stores in the area.

2564
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:13,460
Some have got to get.

2565
03:38:14,080 --> 03:38:17,740
So, you may have an empty public in the future or an empty crovers.

2566
03:38:18,900 --> 03:38:25,020
So, our other options, please make sure that you guys spend the time and don't rush

2567
03:38:25,020 --> 03:38:28,200
to this process, you know, hope that you do not.

2568
03:38:28,480 --> 03:38:28,960
Thank you.

2569
03:38:29,240 --> 03:38:32,320
Next speaker is Dr. Kenneth Lutt-Lutt-K.

2570
03:38:34,700 --> 03:38:34,880
Bye.

2571
03:38:35,860 --> 03:38:36,960
I'll close some pronunciation.

2572
03:38:37,980 --> 03:38:39,120
It's time to do that.

2573
03:38:39,320 --> 03:38:40,720
Chairman and members of the board.

2574
03:38:40,820 --> 03:38:41,800
Thank you very much.

2575
03:38:42,360 --> 03:38:46,020
I have had my private practice, not really, not loose.

2576
03:38:46,020 --> 03:38:48,780
Galvin, independent practice, something very rare.

2577
03:38:48,880 --> 03:38:52,180
And I think someone valuable for the area in Brampton Commons

2578
03:38:52,180 --> 03:38:53,460
for the last 11 years.

2579
03:38:53,460 --> 03:38:59,240
In that time, I've seen the traffic come to a point where I have lost patients, so my

2580
03:38:59,240 --> 03:39:02,740
seniors will no longer come to see me because of trying to get out.

2581
03:39:03,660 --> 03:39:08,800
And with the current proposed model with the right end, right out on Rambleton, that will

2582
03:39:08,800 --> 03:39:11,260
make it even harder for us to see our patients.

2583
03:39:11,460 --> 03:39:12,160
And I'm not alone.

2584
03:39:12,300 --> 03:39:18,160
I'm one of 18 different businesses in that development, and this will not be helpful for

2585
03:39:18,160 --> 03:39:18,480
us.

2586
03:39:18,720 --> 03:39:23,440
It may force me to have to leave the area as well as others in that.

2587
03:39:23,440 --> 03:39:30,500
development, because we will not be able to access as KC said our businesses in the

2588
03:39:30,500 --> 03:39:30,800
room.

2589
03:39:31,560 --> 03:39:32,660
Thank you.

2590
03:39:33,500 --> 03:39:38,140
The next speaker is Paul of Powell, Paul of Owl.

2591
03:39:43,980 --> 03:39:46,220
Thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

2592
03:39:46,820 --> 03:39:51,320
My name is Paul of Owl, and I live at 5455 Lakedale Road.

2593
03:39:52,540 --> 03:39:54,420
My business is in Brambleton comments.

2594
03:39:57,380 --> 03:40:01,120
The entrance in exit is directly, oh, it's gone.

2595
03:40:01,120 --> 03:40:12,100
Directly adjacent, directly below the driveway that exists there now, comes right up against the Exit and Entrance to our, um, to

2596
03:40:12,100 --> 03:40:24,980
Bramble to Commons. I have on this business for 23 years. I've watched the community south of 419 on Brambleton Avenue grow exponentially, residential business, and even in your high school.

2597
03:40:24,980 --> 03:40:30,140
All the while making the intersection of Brambleton Avenue and Colonial Avenue and Old Caves

2598
03:40:30,140 --> 03:40:34,760
Spring Road become more dangerous and difficult to navigate, excuse me.

2599
03:40:36,460 --> 03:40:42,420
It is near impossible to make a left-hand turn out of Brambleton Commons and exiting to the

2600
03:40:42,420 --> 03:40:45,680
right depends solely on the mercy of an oncoming traffic.

2601
03:40:46,340 --> 03:40:51,900
With the right on Reddit Old Caves Spring Road, there is never a break in Southbound traffic

2602
03:40:51,900 --> 03:40:53,460
on Brambleton Avenue.

2603
03:41:01,300 --> 03:41:08,920
Adding exit traffic from a much-adored grocery chain with 200 plus parking spaces will prevent

2604
03:41:08,920 --> 03:41:13,880
customers that frequent the 18 businesses at Ramilton Commons and beyond, ingress and

2605
03:41:13,880 --> 03:41:14,300
egress.

2606
03:41:15,100 --> 03:41:20,280
It seems a more thoughtful plan would only allow entrants from Ramilton Avenue and no right

2607
03:41:20,280 --> 03:41:25,860
on red at all cave spring road to stop an already overloaded intersection from becoming more

2608
03:41:25,860 --> 03:41:28,380
dangerous and protecting existing businesses.

2609
03:41:29,180 --> 03:41:29,880
Thank you very much.

2610
03:41:29,880 --> 03:41:30,940
Thank you.

2611
03:41:31,160 --> 03:41:33,720
Next speaker is Volita Kippman.

2612
03:41:43,240 --> 03:41:47,060
Chairman Mahoney, members of the Board of Supervisors, thank you for the opportunity to

2613
03:41:47,060 --> 03:41:47,420
speak tonight.

2614
03:41:47,920 --> 03:41:53,680
My name is Volita Kippman, and although I have a run-in-acidia dress, I've been a property owner

2615
03:41:53,680 --> 03:42:01,500
at Brampton Commons since 1990 and had been business owner in the county since 1985.

2616
03:42:02,740 --> 03:42:14,780
Those of us who work there at Ramon New Commons on a daily basis understand that this is a very hazardous situation leaving the property as Polar announced.

2617
03:42:15,240 --> 03:42:21,720
My remarks are not based on a V dot study they come from daily observation of being there and trying to maneuver outside.

2618
03:42:21,720 --> 03:42:28,740
I leave the property and making a left-hand turn, especially late afternoon, well I'd say

2619
03:42:28,740 --> 03:42:33,760
from three o'clock on when the schools let out the Hidden Valley High School case-spring

2620
03:42:33,760 --> 03:42:34,540
middle school.

2621
03:42:35,260 --> 03:42:40,820
What we have found to be a remedy instead of sitting there through at least two cycles of traffic

2622
03:42:40,820 --> 03:42:47,540
lights at the intersection of Caves Spring, I mean, okay Spring Road and Brownleton Avenue

2623
03:42:47,540 --> 03:42:53,760
is that we will take a right-hand turn and then make a u-e to come back.

2624
03:42:55,520 --> 03:42:59,140
So, you know, that is not the best traffic-low situation.

2625
03:42:59,980 --> 03:43:06,700
So, I'm thinking that with our entrance and exit, we have one.

2626
03:43:07,100 --> 03:43:14,800
The property that's being under consideration is within 30 yards of where our entrance and exit is,

2627
03:43:14,800 --> 03:43:17,240
which is basically the width of this room.

2628
03:43:17,880 --> 03:43:21,680
So if I'm having to make a UE to get out of my property,

2629
03:43:22,300 --> 03:43:25,460
how about the people that are coming out of the grocery store?

2630
03:43:25,620 --> 03:43:29,540
Are they going to be making UE to get back to the right?

2631
03:43:31,000 --> 03:43:31,400
I don't know.

2632
03:43:31,560 --> 03:43:33,940
It seems like it's just a recipe for disaster.

2633
03:43:35,660 --> 03:43:38,420
I just don't know what to expect when, if that happens,

2634
03:43:39,760 --> 03:43:43,060
critical to the success of a bricks and mortar business

2635
03:43:43,060 --> 03:43:52,320
is the ability of customers to access it, even a single or slight inconvenience could lead to a decline in sales.

2636
03:43:53,380 --> 03:43:59,460
Customers will shy away from a business that is just too difficult for them to get into and leave.

2637
03:44:00,040 --> 03:44:01,760
Please take that into your consideration.

2638
03:44:02,080 --> 03:44:04,660
I don't know what the remedy is, I don't have one.

2639
03:44:04,660 --> 03:44:10,000
short of not approving the rezoning request, but if you do approve the rezoning request,

2640
03:44:10,400 --> 03:44:16,380
please give some support and protection to your small business owners in the county.

2641
03:44:17,040 --> 03:44:17,560
Thank you.

2642
03:44:18,100 --> 03:44:21,020
Next speaker is Whitney Smith.

2643
03:44:21,960 --> 03:44:23,000
Whitney Smith.

2644
03:44:25,650 --> 03:44:26,450
Thank you.

2645
03:44:27,410 --> 03:44:29,370
I'm here tonight working late for us.

2646
03:44:30,310 --> 03:44:34,490
I want to reiterate what Ms. Pittman had just said about the U-turn.

2647
03:44:34,690 --> 03:44:35,250
Oh my gosh.

2648
03:44:35,250 --> 03:44:37,950
You know, I'm not just, we use that little phrase,

2649
03:44:38,410 --> 03:44:40,890
what lies, dang, lies, statistics, and they're talking

2650
03:44:40,890 --> 03:44:41,610
about the traffic.

2651
03:44:42,370 --> 03:44:44,590
The study seems like skylight falls in,

2652
03:44:44,610 --> 03:44:46,010
because I did just a human test.

2653
03:44:46,170 --> 03:44:48,230
I went and stitched it down there for about 20 minutes.

2654
03:44:48,450 --> 03:44:49,250
It's at the bottom of the hill.

2655
03:44:50,010 --> 03:44:53,790
And there's three car links between, when you make,

2656
03:44:53,830 --> 03:44:56,830
coming from Bojangles to make a left-hand term,

2657
03:44:57,670 --> 03:44:59,730
how in the world there's a lot of traffic going to be going.

2658
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:25,000
Right there. And then when they're not going like she was just saying, you have right on red, come now, okay, spring. And they mentioned that at some point, you could take a left off the 2021 into the grocery store. Now, in real life, forget all the statistics. I can't wait to see that happen, especially at certain times of the day. So, I want to reiterate what she just said there.

2659
03:45:25,700 --> 03:45:32,500
Of course, on the traffic, everything that they had brought up in the planning commission by our neighborhood,

2660
03:45:32,600 --> 03:45:40,220
not to get to mention on Whitley Smith, I'm living on the north side, in Kingston Court, at 46A6 category.

2661
03:45:41,080 --> 03:45:46,280
So I travel that road, literally, I added up, I had probably taken that route 10,000 times.

2662
03:45:46,620 --> 03:45:49,060
I just don't see how that traffic is going to work.

2663
03:45:49,300 --> 03:45:53,780
And from 18 willer has to leave there, and they can't get out at okay spring, certain times a day.

2664
03:45:53,780 --> 03:45:58,020
And then they have to leave the main entrance, and they can't do a U-turn through the church.

2665
03:45:58,220 --> 03:46:03,060
I guess they're going to have to drive all the way around through Penn Forest and cut through

2666
03:46:03,060 --> 03:46:03,680
the hospitals.

2667
03:46:04,220 --> 03:46:07,740
Somehow, get back to 419, so I don't think that's going to work very well either.

2668
03:46:08,160 --> 03:46:12,600
I know everybody's kind of thinking it could be publics and different stores, but I think the

2669
03:46:12,600 --> 03:46:18,120
secrecy of not knowing who it is is very important because it could be food line for all

2670
03:46:18,120 --> 03:46:18,820
on that.

2671
03:46:18,820 --> 03:46:23,600
food line, we are a half-two. I hate for them to be a third unless we think about closing

2672
03:46:24,200 --> 03:46:29,060
one. They are. So I really think that should be disclosed to the public to begin with.

2673
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:34,940
And the thing I do think this should be tabled a little bit, I'm so happy that Formatins

2674
03:46:34,940 --> 03:46:38,560
showed up. We have a lot of kids in our neighborhood and parents say it's hard for them to get

2675
03:46:38,560 --> 03:46:45,560
out tonight, but Director of Planning, Mr. Thompson did say after the December 6 meeting that

2676
03:46:45,560 --> 03:46:47,340
letter would be sent out to the neighborhood,

2677
03:46:47,440 --> 03:46:49,720
talk about the meeting for tonight.

2678
03:46:49,800 --> 03:46:50,860
It never went out.

2679
03:46:51,120 --> 03:46:53,220
And the minutes from the November 1st meeting

2680
03:46:53,220 --> 03:46:55,060
had not been posted on the website.

2681
03:46:55,640 --> 03:46:57,280
So our neighborhood has also had a hard time

2682
03:46:57,280 --> 03:46:59,160
reading about what happened to have that.

2683
03:46:59,320 --> 03:47:00,640
I mean, I think that's very important.

2684
03:47:02,940 --> 03:47:05,620
And I'd like to reiterate the conversation of sales.

2685
03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:08,360
If you're looking to increase revenue,

2686
03:47:09,140 --> 03:47:13,380
I just don't see a lot of the south, less counting people

2687
03:47:13,380 --> 03:47:19,480
go to progure, get their fuel points. If they stop going to there and go across the street,

2688
03:47:19,940 --> 03:47:27,780
we really benefiting sales in our area. I think you really have to weigh that, whereas we

2689
03:47:27,780 --> 03:47:31,460
do have the new development out there, when I'm new development,

2690
03:47:34,680 --> 03:47:35,500
I can't think the name

2691
03:47:35,500 --> 03:47:41,680
of all the time. I don't know what's not that is, but when we started years ago, because

2692
03:47:41,680 --> 03:47:43,720
of the economy and different things that happened.

2693
03:47:44,100 --> 03:47:46,660
Obviously, it's had to lay that piece of property right there.

2694
03:47:46,740 --> 03:47:50,160
Almost seems like a better fit for a new grocery store

2695
03:47:50,160 --> 03:47:51,900
and I believe they might have looked at it.

2696
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:53,300
Anyway, thank you.

2697
03:47:53,460 --> 03:47:55,900
I'll have to take an hour and I'll put it in the for the store.

2698
03:47:57,000 --> 03:47:59,240
The next speaker is Michelle Davis.

2699
03:48:07,290 --> 03:48:10,270
I will tell you, so Michelle Davis, 49-09,

2700
03:48:10,510 --> 03:48:11,870
Kate Spring, Maine.

2701
03:48:13,050 --> 03:48:15,570
I have moved to the county, having formally served

2702
03:48:15,570 --> 03:48:16,690
on Renex City Council.

2703
03:48:16,810 --> 03:48:18,210
It is so good to see you all.

2704
03:48:18,210 --> 03:48:21,570
It's much more nerve-wracking being on this side of the desk than being on that side.

2705
03:48:22,850 --> 03:48:26,210
So, recognizing that you all have a very difficult job.

2706
03:48:27,250 --> 03:48:28,310
You will have a familiar answer.

2707
03:48:28,310 --> 03:48:30,530
I guess that's a very serious answer.

2708
03:48:31,350 --> 03:48:34,870
But recognizing I know a resounding is always a difficult request.

2709
03:48:35,270 --> 03:48:37,290
Especially when you have public that are coming out to seek against it.

2710
03:48:38,170 --> 03:48:39,870
And I'm here with my family this evening.

2711
03:48:40,210 --> 03:48:41,510
We all live on the property together.

2712
03:48:41,670 --> 03:48:43,130
We're so thrilled to be in the county.

2713
03:48:43,510 --> 03:48:44,410
I'll tell the people in the city.

2714
03:48:44,490 --> 03:48:44,970
I said that.

2715
03:48:44,970 --> 03:48:51,990
But it does a lovely place and we are on Cave Spring Lane and are directly impacted by the traffic

2716
03:48:51,990 --> 03:48:53,670
backup on Old Cave Spring Road.

2717
03:48:54,750 --> 03:48:58,710
My daughter actually dances at our bell stone right around the corner and getting her to dance

2718
03:48:58,710 --> 03:49:02,110
class and the evenings is a very difficult proposition as it is.

2719
03:49:02,690 --> 03:49:04,190
You've already heard the traffic concerns.

2720
03:49:04,450 --> 03:49:06,050
I don't need to reiterate them for you.

2721
03:49:06,330 --> 03:49:10,950
I think the fatal flaw of the proposal that you all have received is the fact that Old Cave

2722
03:49:10,950 --> 03:49:15,790
spring road and case spring lane intersection have not been studied.

2723
03:49:16,450 --> 03:49:19,650
The traffic already backs up past that intersection on regular basis.

2724
03:49:20,190 --> 03:49:27,890
Looking at the site plan as it was designed, it seems to me that anyone who was going anywhere

2725
03:49:27,890 --> 03:49:33,650
leaving the parking lot of the proposed grocery store anywhere but up the mountain is going

2726
03:49:33,650 --> 03:49:37,250
to have to use old case spring road in order to exit that parking lot.

2727
03:49:37,250 --> 03:49:42,810
the amount of traffic that that puts on an already over traffic road that I know you all

2728
03:49:42,810 --> 03:49:49,510
have been working for decades to try and fix and have not had the support from the state

2729
03:49:49,510 --> 03:49:53,610
in order to try and fix that and the funding from the state to fix that intersection but the

2730
03:49:53,610 --> 03:50:01,070
impact that this measures are will have on that already poorly designed intersection is going

2731
03:50:01,070 --> 03:50:07,070
to be tremendous to the many residents who already live back in that area. I think to speak to

2732
03:50:07,070 --> 03:50:10,190
bottom line, many people have brought up the fact that the density of

2733
03:50:10,190 --> 03:50:14,890
grocery stores in our area is already significant. I understand competition,

2734
03:50:14,950 --> 03:50:18,850
competition is great, but what happens, you know, the sales tax increase,

2735
03:50:19,130 --> 03:50:23,130
looks really nice on paper and I love the idea, but what happens when it

2736
03:50:23,130 --> 03:50:26,190
drives one of the other grocery stores out of business and that sales tax

2737
03:50:27,090 --> 03:50:31,550
base decreases and then you're left at a net zero with an empty building

2738
03:50:31,550 --> 03:50:35,870
that nobody can lease out for many years. I know a lot of money and work has

2739
03:50:35,870 --> 03:50:40,430
going into this proposal. I see a lot of familiar faces in the room who have worked on this

2740
03:50:40,430 --> 03:50:45,810
proposal already, but I would ask that at a minimum that the traffic be studied at Old

2741
03:50:45,810 --> 03:50:50,370
Cavespring Road and Cavespring Lane based on the Scherner number of residents that live back

2742
03:50:50,370 --> 03:50:54,450
there and have to use that intersection every single day. So thank you all. I appreciate

2743
03:50:54,860 --> 03:50:55,090
them.

2744
03:50:56,830 --> 03:51:01,050
The final speaker is Shane Dwyer, Shane Dwyer.

2745
03:51:07,320 --> 03:51:07,640
Good evening.

2746
03:51:07,840 --> 03:51:10,100
Shane Dwyer, 134 keen to be now drive.

2747
03:51:10,280 --> 03:51:14,220
My address is in Rona City, but I do live about 100 yards away from the county line there

2748
03:51:14,220 --> 03:51:14,440
at Allen.

2749
03:51:14,680 --> 03:51:18,620
So I don't really have a dog in this fight, but you can tell from that concept proposal,

2750
03:51:18,820 --> 03:51:20,420
there's some unique hints that this is a public.

2751
03:51:20,480 --> 03:51:23,000
So I just want to voice my support for public, something that's a great company.

2752
03:51:23,140 --> 03:51:26,360
And I think it would be a great get to have here in the Rowan of Valley.

2753
03:51:26,420 --> 03:51:28,500
I know myself, I work in Salem.

2754
03:51:28,500 --> 03:51:32,360
I would go out of the way to stop the public some of my way home and visit that grocery store

2755
03:51:32,360 --> 03:51:36,760
because I do appreciate what they have to offer as compared to Crober and Food Line and

2756
03:51:36,760 --> 03:51:37,640
some of the other options.

2757
03:51:38,020 --> 03:51:39,780
So a lot of folks here do have very valid points.

2758
03:51:39,860 --> 03:51:42,740
Again, I don't live on that side of town, so I wouldn't have to deal with that traffic,

2759
03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:47,900
so I understand where they are coming from, but I hope that if this plan does not work that

2760
03:51:47,900 --> 03:51:51,820
the county works with the developer to find something else, the little site over next

2761
03:51:51,820 --> 03:51:56,260
Crober at Bonzack, I would welcome very much to be over there, put me a little bit closer

2762
03:51:56,260 --> 03:51:59,340
there as well, but hopefully we can come to the conclusion that makes it work for everybody.

2763
03:52:00,380 --> 03:52:00,680
Thank you.

2764
03:52:01,140 --> 03:52:08,080
I had a speaker that I called out and the speaker didn't show up, so I'll call out again

2765
03:52:08,080 --> 03:52:09,740
a Sharon Moronic

2766
03:52:13,200 --> 03:52:16,240
going once, going twice, and sit.

2767
03:52:17,920 --> 03:52:22,680
Those are all the speakers I have signed up, there's the board wants to take a break.

2768
03:52:23,040 --> 03:52:24,400
Do you want to question anybody?

2769
03:52:24,860 --> 03:52:25,320
I will close the panel.

2770
03:52:27,990 --> 03:52:29,670
I will close the public hearing.

2771
03:52:29,670 --> 03:52:29,970
Thank you.

2772
03:52:31,620 --> 03:52:39,560
What's the pleasure of the board? It's 833. Full speed ahead or you want to break?

2773
03:52:39,760 --> 03:52:41,340
I'm going to keep going.

2774
03:52:42,140 --> 03:52:49,040
All right. Once the pleasure of the board, we want to talk to Evita to, we want to act.

2775
03:52:49,600 --> 03:52:54,180
Yeah, I'd like to have. Mr. Levin, you are up.

2776
03:52:54,180 --> 03:52:56,420
He was thrown behind by me.

2777
03:52:56,800 --> 03:52:57,640
I saw him ducked out.

2778
03:52:58,080 --> 03:52:58,300
I saw him ducked out.

2779
03:52:58,300 --> 03:52:58,660
I saw him ducked out.

2780
03:53:02,960 --> 03:53:03,620
Good evening.

2781
03:53:04,140 --> 03:53:07,020
Brian Belevens on the Salem Resident Engineer of V dot.

2782
03:53:07,420 --> 03:53:12,060
Our office was the one that received this concept plan, the study.

2783
03:53:12,780 --> 03:53:15,060
Provided comments and provided our concurrence.

2784
03:53:16,440 --> 03:53:17,360
Any questions for me?

2785
03:53:17,540 --> 03:53:17,940
Mr. Rep.

2786
03:53:18,300 --> 03:53:18,560
Yep.

2787
03:53:19,240 --> 03:53:25,800
So you heard comments from the people that were speaking about.

2788
03:53:25,800 --> 03:53:29,820
about K-Spring, Lane, and O-K-Spring,

2789
03:53:30,060 --> 03:53:35,260
and the intersection wasn't studied and asked the traffic

2790
03:53:35,260 --> 03:53:38,100
guy with an additional, but y'all didn't recommend

2791
03:53:38,100 --> 03:53:39,440
that that would be impacted.

2792
03:53:40,760 --> 03:53:43,940
So it's impacted now from what we hear,

2793
03:53:44,200 --> 03:53:46,780
by the way, I dropped through there all the time.

2794
03:53:48,120 --> 03:53:50,580
So sometimes it's backed up to sometimes it's not.

2795
03:53:50,880 --> 03:53:52,400
I actually had an accident there.

2796
03:53:52,400 --> 03:54:00,420
back in the late, in the late 90s, a snowy day calls out.

2797
03:54:00,900 --> 03:54:06,680
But give me some insight on, and also, I know we had,

2798
03:54:07,400 --> 03:54:10,360
we were going to take all McViddy Road one day and expand that

2799
03:54:10,360 --> 03:54:13,800
to four lanes, so maybe you can kind of tell us about that,

2800
03:54:14,380 --> 03:54:16,880
or whatever, widen it, okay, not four lanes.

2801
03:54:19,280 --> 03:54:24,860
Yeah, I'll talk about the study and the recommendations for the number of intersections first.

2802
03:54:25,140 --> 03:54:29,560
I think one thing to explain, and maybe the petitioner wouldn't have been able to explain that,

2803
03:54:29,920 --> 03:54:34,040
is that at least with the study of this size for what they are anticipating for trips,

2804
03:54:34,520 --> 03:54:37,680
we not really can only require improvements along the front edge of the property,

2805
03:54:38,460 --> 03:54:41,960
which the front edge of the property only includes a small portion of all case ring lane

2806
03:54:41,960 --> 03:54:44,160
in a small portion of Bramilton Avenue.

2807
03:54:45,720 --> 03:54:50,760
The number of studies that the number of intersections that they actually studied really was only

2808
03:54:50,760 --> 03:54:55,320
to look at major impacts and major intersections and for the flow of traffic along the three

2809
03:54:55,320 --> 03:54:55,780
signals.

2810
03:54:56,700 --> 03:55:00,720
Because as they stated, there are some operations when she was there during the peak hours and

2811
03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:03,180
on Saturdays.

2812
03:55:03,420 --> 03:55:08,500
The only reason why the intersection of McViddy in all case-free lane was included was simply

2813
03:55:08,500 --> 03:55:10,480
because the fact that for most of the cut true traffic

2814
03:55:10,480 --> 03:55:13,360
from 118 to 119 to 119 come from,

2815
03:55:14,380 --> 03:55:16,220
it was deemed that okay spring laying,

2816
03:55:16,300 --> 03:55:17,740
while it could have been included,

2817
03:55:18,940 --> 03:55:23,260
might see a sliding trace in traffic from this grocery store,

2818
03:55:23,460 --> 03:55:25,040
but the changes there would be minimal,

2819
03:55:25,500 --> 03:55:27,840
at least for what's coming out, anguoying in,

2820
03:55:28,120 --> 03:55:29,640
because there's other ways out of that neighborhood,

2821
03:55:29,840 --> 03:55:31,380
they don't really have to come out that way

2822
03:55:31,380 --> 03:55:32,500
unless they're going to this area

2823
03:55:32,500 --> 03:55:34,720
to shop or go to work or something like that.

2824
03:55:35,820 --> 03:55:37,740
So there was really no reason to include it,

2825
03:55:37,740 --> 03:55:42,280
Plus, we couldn't, from a part, we're pretty improvements there anyway, it may have just

2826
03:55:42,280 --> 03:55:48,260
identified an issue that already exists and may not have actually identified anything new.

2827
03:55:49,200 --> 03:55:51,140
As for the project, they are correct.

2828
03:55:51,280 --> 03:55:54,700
We have been working on a project for, at least we had a project on the books for a number of

2829
03:55:54,700 --> 03:55:56,880
years decades, I think they said.

2830
03:55:58,000 --> 03:56:01,640
But, unfortunately, after preliminary engineering and right of way, if we do already

2831
03:56:01,640 --> 03:56:06,560
on right of way for you there, we could not obtain the funding and including partner with

2832
03:56:06,560 --> 03:56:11,640
county and multiple different applications and multiple different ways to actually expand and

2833
03:56:11,640 --> 03:56:15,540
straighten like many slightly and it would have included some of the improvements

2834
03:56:15,540 --> 03:56:18,600
that the developers do in the day, which includes extend in that right turnling.

2835
03:56:19,360 --> 03:56:22,900
That will improve the operations that the intersection, including the restriping,

2836
03:56:23,060 --> 03:56:26,260
they're doing some minor restriping on the opposite side of the intersection,

2837
03:56:27,440 --> 03:56:30,540
which will also improve some of the operations that intersection,

2838
03:56:30,700 --> 03:56:32,780
kind of decreasing the layout overall.

2839
03:56:35,020 --> 03:56:49,580
I'd like to know your opinion of their access and the egress on the Bramleton Avenue real close to an existing business and close to your traffic light.

2840
03:56:51,220 --> 03:56:53,720
Apparently you guys are okay with that?

2841
03:56:53,720 --> 03:56:58,640
We are, we being that acceptable and acceptable, we can care what the study.

2842
03:56:59,300 --> 03:57:04,400
There will be some folks using that to drop back on the ramletons in the go south on

2843
03:57:04,400 --> 03:57:05,760
2021 towards Benton Mountain.

2844
03:57:06,600 --> 03:57:10,780
In general, we do have some access management requirements that they're supposed to follow,

2845
03:57:11,380 --> 03:57:23,700
but within this situation, the pressure that it relieved off of the full access off of

2846
03:57:23,700 --> 03:57:26,200
this and allow it to stay where it is.

2847
03:57:27,600 --> 03:57:29,680
The other intersections, while I understand,

2848
03:57:30,000 --> 03:57:33,560
they likely do have operational issues during the peak hours.

2849
03:57:34,480 --> 03:57:36,440
If that development were constructed today,

2850
03:57:36,780 --> 03:57:38,560
likely wouldn't get anything more than the right

2851
03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:42,640
in right out similar to what the grocery store is proposing.

2852
03:57:44,340 --> 03:57:47,040
So the neighborhood is just west,

2853
03:57:47,300 --> 03:57:49,940
Brownington Commons, very familiar with that area.

2854
03:57:49,940 --> 03:57:57,720
to that complex. I've been in and out of it myself personally. I always go right and never go

2855
03:57:57,720 --> 03:58:07,260
left because I don't want to wait there for 20 minutes. So I'll fill their pain. I'm just wondering,

2856
03:58:08,160 --> 03:58:15,220
I'll ask the petitioner of that about that access out with being so close to right there.

2857
03:58:15,220 --> 03:58:18,800
But there

2858
03:58:22,190 --> 03:58:27,350
was a question about, well, you're not going to have anything to do with the police report.

2859
03:58:27,610 --> 03:58:28,650
That's another question.

2860
03:58:30,290 --> 03:58:31,210
That's all I have.

2861
03:58:31,590 --> 03:58:32,990
Any other questions, Mr. Blubbins?

2862
03:58:34,350 --> 03:58:34,650
A couple.

2863
03:58:38,320 --> 03:58:43,820
One of the speakers talked about, from Bramulton Commons,

2864
03:58:43,820 --> 03:58:51,320
talked about the difficulties of exiting Brambleton Commons, and then the impacts of the right

2865
03:58:51,320 --> 03:58:59,980
turnout from the proposed development, and a concern that have been expressed with the right

2866
03:58:59,980 --> 03:59:03,300
turn on red from the existing intersection.

2867
03:59:04,320 --> 03:59:13,500
Do you, too, the possible substantial increase in traffic if this development were,

2868
03:59:15,780 --> 03:59:15,820
would

2869
03:59:15,820 --> 03:59:25,210
veto perhaps go back and look at not allowing right turn on red, or would you think

2870
03:59:25,210 --> 03:59:31,470
that that would cause more problems in terms of stacking, coming out of what I would call

2871
03:59:31,470 --> 03:59:35,110
the main entrance and exit for the proposed development?

2872
03:59:35,790 --> 03:59:37,290
You follow where I'm going.

2873
03:59:38,310 --> 03:59:43,110
I would have to lean a little bit on the traffic engineer for the developer to see what they would

2874
03:59:43,110 --> 03:59:49,970
think for sure, but I can tell you that right turn on reds reduce cues throughout the cycle

2875
03:59:49,970 --> 03:59:50,610
of the signal.

2876
03:59:51,310 --> 03:59:55,590
If you were to stop all of the traffic there and not allow that right turn on red, especially

2877
03:59:55,590 --> 03:59:59,970
if you have plantable sight distance and no other reason to stop it, you know, because

2878
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,820
Generally, that's the only reason why we would not allow right turn on red is because of the site distance issue, which you don't have there.

2879
04:00:07,060 --> 04:00:15,120
It would likely cause the signal to go, like, cause at least that leg to go into operational issue of AF or worse.

2880
04:00:16,160 --> 04:00:23,520
And I don't think it would operate exceptably, and likely the right turnling would not function the way they anticipate in their study.

2881
04:00:23,520 --> 04:00:30,440
And if you put all the traffic from the development to go right out there only, it definitely

2882
04:00:30,440 --> 04:00:31,180
wouldn't work.

2883
04:00:31,580 --> 04:00:34,620
You know, because right now they have the option to go right out on Bramontiner right

2884
04:00:34,620 --> 04:00:38,740
out there, if you were to stop it, it would queue back.

2885
04:00:38,840 --> 04:00:40,800
I'm almost positive during the peak hours.

2886
04:00:41,660 --> 04:00:47,480
The second question, feelings that the stacking were a five on colonial and a

2887
04:00:47,480 --> 04:00:53,200
crossing over Brambleton, and then I want to make a left turn into the project.

2888
04:00:53,800 --> 04:00:59,240
And we were talking about a 75-foot distance, stacking lane.

2889
04:01:01,400 --> 04:01:03,580
How many cars can I put in 75 feet?

2890
04:01:05,120 --> 04:01:10,540
In general, at least as far as engineers look at it, we think about 25 feet per car, cars not

2891
04:01:10,540 --> 04:01:16,180
25 feet long, but you have to think about buffer distances, and shot, shot distances, and a lot

2892
04:01:16,180 --> 04:01:19,940
folks like to get extra space, so they can look at their cell phone and their stuff.

2893
04:01:22,120 --> 04:01:26,840
But it's about three to four cars, plus as they stated, it is a back-to-back

2894
04:01:26,840 --> 04:01:31,020
termling with the left-termling from Old Case Ringling to Northbound on to 21.

2895
04:01:31,960 --> 04:01:36,120
So again, if there was, if there happened to be some reason why they couldn't get out,

2896
04:01:36,320 --> 04:01:42,260
why they couldn't make that left-turn across, they could stack further into that left-termling,

2897
04:01:42,520 --> 04:01:44,300
which it does get some traffic there.

2898
04:01:44,300 --> 04:01:47,820
But most of the time, if they're going to do the intersex need to want to go straight, or they

2899
04:01:47,820 --> 04:01:53,020
want to go south, most of the folks that would not go left there unless they're going to

2900
04:01:53,020 --> 04:01:56,460
the Crowger or the Four Nineteen, which means that they did the cut through for no reason.

2901
04:01:58,140 --> 04:02:03,640
Final question, if I'm at the development and I'm exiting on okay spring,

2902
04:02:06,500 --> 04:02:06,840
I'm going to

2903
04:02:06,840 --> 04:02:08,240
make a left turn there.

2904
04:02:08,700 --> 04:02:14,160
I would think that that would be fairly dangerous because I have all the traffic coming

2905
04:02:14,160 --> 04:02:17,020
towards Brambleton, and I've all this other traffic

2906
04:02:17,020 --> 04:02:20,560
queuing up to make a left turn in.

2907
04:02:21,260 --> 04:02:26,200
Would you see a realistic option of making a left turn there

2908
04:02:26,680 --> 04:02:28,940
because there's one of the speakers said,

2909
04:02:29,220 --> 04:02:32,940
if I'm making a right turn out only on the Brambleton,

2910
04:02:33,440 --> 04:02:34,960
at some point in time, I'm going to go

2911
04:02:34,960 --> 04:02:37,020
with short distance sound Brambleton and do a U-turn,

2912
04:02:37,240 --> 04:02:38,640
which is probably just as dangerous.

2913
04:02:40,880 --> 04:02:44,360
It almost seems like if

2914
04:02:46,470 --> 04:02:49,730
I live further back in Windsor Hills, I'd be making a left turn

2915
04:02:49,730 --> 04:02:53,870
out of that development, I'm not going to be making a right turn out on the Brambleton,

2916
04:02:54,030 --> 04:02:56,150
and I'm going to be going out on those case-grain laying.

2917
04:02:57,430 --> 04:03:01,530
I just question whether that is a realistic opportunity.

2918
04:03:03,290 --> 04:03:05,030
It will be just as much as anything else.

2919
04:03:05,230 --> 04:03:10,170
I mean, I think you'd have a better distance here that's from where this entrance exists

2920
04:03:10,170 --> 04:03:12,490
than from where the credit rate prints exist on colonial.

2921
04:03:13,210 --> 04:03:14,070
And it's pretty short.

2922
04:03:14,330 --> 04:03:16,650
You've got four or five lanes you have to cross.

2923
04:03:17,050 --> 04:03:19,550
In this situation, you're probably only going to have two.

2924
04:03:19,690 --> 04:03:20,850
Plus, you're looking up great.

2925
04:03:21,170 --> 04:03:24,330
Instead of downgrade, you should be able to see cars

2926
04:03:24,330 --> 04:03:25,790
making turning movements in there

2927
04:03:25,790 --> 04:03:27,130
to anticipate what they're doing.

2928
04:03:27,730 --> 04:03:29,390
If a large enough vehicle of bus

2929
04:03:29,390 --> 04:03:32,310
or a truck, you could have limited instances where sight

2930
04:03:32,310 --> 04:03:33,390
distance could be blocked.

2931
04:03:33,870 --> 04:03:36,090
In which case, they really should wait until they can see

2932
04:03:36,090 --> 04:03:39,070
or make a right turn out and go back to four or 19

2933
04:03:39,070 --> 04:03:40,270
and go around the other one.

2934
04:03:40,330 --> 04:03:43,070
It's a good example because I've made the left turn coming out

2935
04:03:43,070 --> 04:03:45,610
of Croger back on the colonial bone, the other way.

2936
04:03:46,810 --> 04:03:47,510
It's very exciting.

2937
04:03:49,190 --> 04:03:51,070
That's a well-known intersection, yes sir.

2938
04:03:51,370 --> 04:03:53,130
Well, thank you, Mr. North.

2939
04:03:53,270 --> 04:03:54,350
Two questions for you.

2940
04:03:54,370 --> 04:03:57,150
One unrelated to the transportation issue.

2941
04:03:57,270 --> 04:04:01,690
But the first one, the transportation issue, I heard about all this tack,

2942
04:04:02,250 --> 04:04:04,610
and we've got some stack of issues over the island of District.

2943
04:04:04,650 --> 04:04:05,910
I'm not going to get into them.

2944
04:04:05,910 --> 04:04:07,730
You know exactly what I'm talking about.

2945
04:04:08,110 --> 04:04:08,170
Yes.

2946
04:04:08,170 --> 04:04:11,310
And now that that's property is in Mr. Peters' side of the road,

2947
04:04:11,530 --> 04:04:13,510
he's only looking at the few phone calls in the future.

2948
04:04:14,150 --> 04:04:15,230
So I got a red press to see.

2949
04:04:15,230 --> 04:04:15,990
Bring him away, bring him away.

2950
04:04:15,990 --> 04:04:16,430
Bring him away, bring him away.

2951
04:04:16,690 --> 04:04:19,250
And he says, bring it all in, and those people already

2952
04:04:19,770 --> 04:04:23,430
really enchanted by the experience of putting that in,

2953
04:04:23,750 --> 04:04:25,270
but still is a problem.

2954
04:04:25,870 --> 04:04:27,310
Never going to go away.

2955
04:04:27,830 --> 04:04:29,250
That's my story on that.

2956
04:04:29,590 --> 04:04:32,610
The second question I'm related to transportation is,

2957
04:04:32,630 --> 04:04:34,010
would be not owned this property.

2958
04:04:35,150 --> 04:04:37,290
Then you'll ever have anybody approaching them

2959
04:04:37,290 --> 04:04:44,210
behind the property. I'm sure, yeah, I believe we did. Yeah, it occasionally comes up.

2960
04:04:44,430 --> 04:04:46,190
Okay, thank you. All I have.

2961
04:04:48,430 --> 04:04:50,770
Any further questions? Yeah, I have a question for the

2962
04:04:51,530 --> 04:04:52,210
petitioner.

2963
04:04:56,370 --> 04:04:58,130
You're going to be full.

2964
04:05:07,310 --> 04:05:14,910
Yeah, so I appreciate the Department to place someone in association coming up and

2965
04:05:14,910 --> 04:05:17,790
making their oral comments and written comments.

2966
04:05:19,810 --> 04:05:23,450
Part four, did they send you any of their comments?

2967
04:05:24,570 --> 04:05:27,770
We did receive a letter from the HLA,

2968
04:05:28,070 --> 04:05:30,030
from the planning department.

2969
04:05:31,590 --> 04:05:33,670
So they listed the gosh.

2970
04:05:34,150 --> 04:05:40,570
Let's see, six, ten recommendations.

2971
04:05:41,750 --> 04:05:44,010
Looks like you did a couple of them.

2972
04:05:45,170 --> 04:05:50,350
from that recommendation, but it's like it's a big more expanded list.

2973
04:05:50,370 --> 04:05:58,610
I'm not going to go through all of them, but you went from one meeting, you went to a

2974
04:05:58,610 --> 04:06:08,830
30-foot buffer to a 40-foot buffer, so I mean that's quite a bit more shrubbery or trees

2975
04:06:08,830 --> 04:06:10,850
So whatever that you're putting in there, correct?

2976
04:06:11,950 --> 04:06:12,430
Sorry.

2977
04:06:14,310 --> 04:06:17,410
And the fence, I'd ask you early about the material.

2978
04:06:18,350 --> 04:06:22,910
And I figured I heard a couple of speakers say they prefer wood, because the vinyl

2979
04:06:22,910 --> 04:06:26,830
is going to look like not to attractive.

2980
04:06:26,910 --> 04:06:29,610
Wood will look pretty good.

2981
04:06:29,670 --> 04:06:32,630
I know it has a little more higher maintenance on it.

2982
04:06:32,650 --> 04:06:37,470
I'm not asking you to offer that, but I'm just un-suggesting that might be something.

2983
04:06:37,470 --> 04:06:43,330
At eight to eight, it's more than likely it will be with file fences, get a little flimsy at eight feet.

2984
04:06:46,230 --> 04:06:47,450
Talk about lighting.

2985
04:06:47,730 --> 04:06:49,130
I'm certain I haven't talked about lighting.

2986
04:06:49,470 --> 04:06:50,890
Mr. Northboard up lighting.

2987
04:06:53,530 --> 04:06:54,910
I'm in development myself.

2988
04:06:55,490 --> 04:06:57,350
So, and I want to cut off shield is.

2989
04:06:58,250 --> 04:07:01,590
But you're at a higher elevation than the Farmington people.

2990
04:07:02,590 --> 04:07:04,490
So, you might have it cut down.

2991
04:07:04,490 --> 04:07:13,950
But they're below, they can see under that shield, so you've got to do an extended shield if so they don't they don't get that glare

2992
04:07:13,950 --> 04:07:17,490
fact from it because you're up here and they're there down there

2993
04:07:23,940 --> 04:07:29,920
Recommendation of turning lights off at night, you know, I'm sure you guys want to conserve energy

2994
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:45,340
And I don't know what your tenant, what the tenant's protocol is for turning off. I mean, if they had 50 lights, would they turn off 25 lights? Do you have any experience with that?

2995
04:07:46,040 --> 04:07:51,100
Some sinners do that. A lot will keep them on if the tenant is an issue of public safety overnight.

2996
04:07:51,200 --> 04:07:54,360
Okay. You don't want to make it a convenient spot to avoid.

2997
04:07:54,800 --> 04:07:56,240
Okay. All right.

2998
04:08:00,910 --> 04:08:08,270
The storm water management facility is the engineer detail that any on the concept plan

2999
04:08:08,270 --> 04:08:11,350
is that a bug ground is just a ditch, is it underground?

3000
04:08:12,410 --> 04:08:17,150
There's no detail for the concept plan, but our preliminary studies are leading us to an underground

3001
04:08:17,150 --> 04:08:18,170
facility.

3002
04:08:18,250 --> 04:08:19,730
That's from a great standpoint.

3003
04:08:20,590 --> 04:08:21,390
To get them all in.

3004
04:08:34,560 --> 04:08:42,560
There was a mention quite a few times about the adjoining neighbor to the west of Europe

3005
04:08:42,560 --> 04:08:45,880
of that property called Bramilton Commons.

3006
04:08:47,400 --> 04:08:54,240
How would the tenant fill if we only had an entrance in and out an exit door now of that

3007
04:08:54,240 --> 04:08:54,720
impact?

3008
04:08:55,560 --> 04:08:59,360
I don't think our traffic would function without that right out.

3009
04:08:59,520 --> 04:09:02,420
They wouldn't cut too much pressure on the intersection they'd okay to bring.

3010
04:09:11,890 --> 04:09:13,930
That's how I want to have Mr. Chairman.

3011
04:09:14,830 --> 04:09:15,050
Thank you.

3012
04:09:15,490 --> 04:09:16,750
Any other questions for the applicant?

3013
04:09:18,390 --> 04:09:18,950
Thank you.

3014
04:09:23,520 --> 04:09:24,580
What's the pleasure of the board?

3015
04:09:24,820 --> 04:09:27,560
Discussion, debate, motion?

3016
04:09:30,440 --> 04:09:34,700
Well, it's in my district, so I'll start off.

3017
04:09:35,940 --> 04:09:39,660
I want to kind of relate a story,

3018
04:09:42,320 --> 04:09:46,160
and I'm so grateful for all the residents coming out here.

3019
04:09:46,160 --> 04:09:53,240
And given us their information, I do want to try to alleviate some fears.

3020
04:09:53,960 --> 04:10:04,020
So in the early 90s, my wife and I moved back to Rhonuk, and we moved on Colonial Avenue

3021
04:10:04,020 --> 04:10:05,960
right behind the Mechermack.

3022
04:10:07,000 --> 04:10:14,880
And while we were living there, Eris Keeter petitioned to get a special use permit, get there.

3023
04:10:14,880 --> 04:10:23,140
So I, along with all my neighbors that were behind that vacant building, went through the

3024
04:10:23,140 --> 04:10:29,580
same rezoning planning commission process that all of you have, you've been telling me.

3025
04:10:31,640 --> 04:10:33,920
And we, we said the same things.

3026
04:10:34,000 --> 04:10:41,320
We talked about the same items about traffic backing up to where we live and all our

3027
04:10:41,320 --> 04:10:44,420
driveways that back up off of the colonial avenue.

3028
04:10:47,340 --> 04:10:53,420
Yeah, we had a little more traffic, but they improved the intersection for us, and we

3029
04:10:53,420 --> 04:10:58,760
were able to get, I mean, we were able to turn out of our driveways left to right.

3030
04:10:58,900 --> 04:11:05,320
They also improved colonial avenue because it had a hill that we had to maneuver going over

3031
04:11:05,320 --> 04:11:06,560
to that roundabout.

3032
04:11:06,560 --> 04:11:12,160
So, traffic seemed to work itself out in that scenario.

3033
04:11:13,320 --> 04:11:18,720
After the approval of the Harris Teter in the O'Mickermack,

3034
04:11:21,700 --> 04:11:24,400
my family got large and the house got too small,

3035
04:11:25,180 --> 04:11:27,820
and we stole the house about three years after that.

3036
04:11:28,100 --> 04:11:29,280
We didn't lose any value.

3037
04:11:29,460 --> 04:11:33,140
There was no drop in valuation in the real estate.

3038
04:11:33,140 --> 04:11:36,840
So I don't think that's going to hurt the devaluation.

3039
04:11:37,560 --> 04:11:43,820
I have residents up in the mountain that have a pipeline going through their properties

3040
04:11:43,820 --> 04:11:45,400
and they're still selling their houses.

3041
04:11:46,940 --> 04:11:52,880
So across America and our nation, we have homes, residents,

3042
04:11:53,280 --> 04:11:57,180
residential areas that back up to grocery stores,

3043
04:11:57,180 --> 04:12:02,420
my own children live in Austin, Texas, and Denver.

3044
04:12:03,620 --> 04:12:06,940
And both of them are very close to us.

3045
04:12:07,140 --> 04:12:09,360
Their houses weren't backed up to it.

3046
04:12:09,820 --> 04:12:13,560
But several times when I was able to walk from their house

3047
04:12:13,560 --> 04:12:16,680
to those grocery stores, that was sort of convenient.

3048
04:12:16,880 --> 04:12:19,600
And I know Austin, Texas, and Denver, Colorado,

3049
04:12:20,800 --> 04:12:23,640
we're talking cities, and that's urban living.

3050
04:12:23,640 --> 04:12:27,780
But it was available and it had to hurt the value of those homes.

3051
04:12:27,980 --> 04:12:33,400
I thought my kids paid too much for those homes where they were, but that's their dad speaking.

3052
04:12:35,840 --> 04:12:42,860
So, you know, I cannot alleviate these fears and concerns about traffic.

3053
04:12:43,920 --> 04:12:46,960
We have that with all the resumes that we go through.

3054
04:12:47,240 --> 04:12:53,440
It comes up and I don't know what we can do through

3055
04:12:53,440 --> 04:13:00,900
The development review process, but I would hope that we can look at that and get some data

3056
04:13:00,900 --> 04:13:04,420
or get some information as we go through that process.

3057
04:13:06,020 --> 04:13:11,180
With that said, Mr. Chairman, I'm very excited to have some comments.

3058
04:13:12,160 --> 04:13:13,040
Yeah, I'm sorry.

3059
04:13:14,280 --> 04:13:14,760
Mr. North?

3060
04:13:15,340 --> 04:13:16,820
Thank you.

3061
04:13:16,820 --> 04:13:19,320
Well, I live in the house district today.

3062
04:13:19,480 --> 04:13:21,440
I've lived over against Southwest County,

3063
04:13:21,480 --> 04:13:23,920
a book about the road.

3064
04:13:24,000 --> 04:13:26,980
I lived in two houses there.

3065
04:13:27,220 --> 04:13:30,540
Many years ago, when I was a much younger fellow,

3066
04:13:31,380 --> 04:13:32,440
used to drive that road.

3067
04:13:32,720 --> 04:13:36,240
When I had an RXM sports car, really loved going around face frame.

3068
04:13:36,640 --> 04:13:38,540
That's always tight on that road.

3069
04:13:39,320 --> 04:13:42,340
Unlike maybe a truck like Mr. Bradford drives today.

3070
04:13:42,340 --> 04:13:47,340
But, you know, I've saw some accidents at the end of both intersections.

3071
04:13:48,620 --> 04:13:56,840
And that was back in 1983, actually, 1983, to about 93.

3072
04:13:59,050 --> 04:14:05,330
Then it's the same real estate that location, location, and there's a lot of truth

3073
04:14:05,330 --> 04:14:06,130
of that.

3074
04:14:09,540 --> 04:14:15,020
I'm usually very supportive of these type of applicants, because I know that the revenue

3075
04:14:15,020 --> 04:14:22,340
generated from the taxes of the land, coupled with the sales revenue taxes, generates revenues

3076
04:14:22,340 --> 04:14:27,700
so that we can provide and continue to provide services that are second to none and

3077
04:14:27,700 --> 04:14:29,960
road-out county compared to other parts of the state.

3078
04:14:31,300 --> 04:14:37,900
However, in my personal opinion, from listening to everyone today, this is just two in

3079
04:14:37,900 --> 04:14:45,760
since of a area for this surrounding residential community, as well as a

3080
04:14:45,760 --> 04:14:46,660
roadway infrastructure.

3081
04:14:47,020 --> 04:14:52,700
I think we're trying to put something there that's complex, challenging, and

3082
04:14:52,700 --> 04:14:58,040
it's going to create a lot of complaints from citizens in the future, our

3083
04:14:58,040 --> 04:14:59,960
department's going to get many.

3084
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:25,520
I have to take a lot of time to address them over and over again. I think though that we have other better county locations and our economic development people are here. I would like to the applicant to consider those other locations for this grocery store. I also believe that it's in a tense area with a lot of commercial grocery stores already.

3085
04:15:26,960 --> 04:15:32,780
There has been others in the Roanoke County area in the city that did make it very long.

3086
04:15:33,020 --> 04:15:39,440
After they put thousands of millions of dollars into their site improvements and now they're closed.

3087
04:15:40,860 --> 04:15:43,760
So I would like to see more housing on this development.

3088
04:15:44,440 --> 04:15:52,900
And I believe that this community in the county at large has a growing need for more starter homes for young people,

3089
04:15:52,900 --> 04:16:00,300
but also for retirees and people in one of downsides to patio homes, they're in high demand

3090
04:16:00,300 --> 04:16:02,100
all over the county and all areas.

3091
04:16:03,420 --> 04:16:07,960
So put simply for these reasons, I probably cannot support this project.

3092
04:16:14,090 --> 04:16:14,410
Thank you, sir.

3093
04:16:14,690 --> 04:16:15,010
Hooker.

3094
04:16:15,770 --> 04:16:25,250
I just have a few comments and I too really wanted to support this project, but after hearing

3095
04:16:25,250 --> 04:16:27,010
to the citizens make a difference.

3096
04:16:27,010 --> 04:16:35,910
And I appreciate you coming tonight and even at the late hour, hangin with us while we really,

3097
04:16:35,910 --> 04:16:42,630
we really process all this information and try to make the right decisions because it's tough.

3098
04:16:43,010 --> 04:16:44,770
It's a tough process.

3099
04:16:45,350 --> 04:16:47,130
But I'm concerned about rampal components.

3100
04:16:47,130 --> 04:16:59,630
I'm concerned about the small businesses where, you know, we're potentially sacrificing one area for another, and I don't like that.

3101
04:17:00,190 --> 04:17:07,750
I really, I struggle with that. And there was a comment about we don't need another grocery store,

3102
04:17:07,830 --> 04:17:13,430
and I don't understand what you're saying because there are several in that area, competitions always good.

3103
04:17:13,430 --> 04:17:18,770
I would say that right there in between, you know, with 0.3 miles in between all of them

3104
04:17:18,770 --> 04:17:22,910
might be a little close for all of them, but competition is a good thing.

3105
04:17:24,590 --> 04:17:30,050
My third comment was, Ms. Davis, I thought your commentary as others mentioned it too

3106
04:17:30,050 --> 04:17:35,750
about old case-bring road and case-bring lane, I think you were right on with some of that

3107
04:17:35,750 --> 04:17:36,190
commentary.

3108
04:17:36,610 --> 04:17:42,310
It has impacted this whether or not it's, you know, on paper, supposed to be impacting

3109
04:17:42,310 --> 04:17:50,330
and I believe that it truly is the right in and the right out on Brambleton for this new

3110
04:17:50,330 --> 04:17:56,770
development potentially I think is just difficult at best and for the amount of money that

3111
04:17:56,770 --> 04:18:02,590
would be invested into this property and to we want it to be the right thing we want it to be

3112
04:18:02,590 --> 04:18:09,970
the right thing with the right infrastructure is what we're as what we're really looking for I believe.

3113
04:18:09,970 --> 04:18:14,590
I don't think that the residents would drop in value.

3114
04:18:14,710 --> 04:18:16,650
I don't think that the homes would drop in value.

3115
04:18:16,670 --> 04:18:21,570
I really don't have seen too many times where I was concerned about these kinds of situations.

3116
04:18:23,130 --> 04:18:24,470
And we haven't seen it.

3117
04:18:24,630 --> 04:18:31,710
But that being said, I'm on this bend right now, where we have got to be protecting our one.

3118
04:18:32,530 --> 04:18:33,970
We have got to be protecting it.

3119
04:18:33,970 --> 04:18:39,150
We have too much encouragement, too much coming in on them.

3120
04:18:40,370 --> 04:18:43,770
And so I will not be supporting the petition.

3121
04:18:44,190 --> 04:18:44,990
Thank you.

3122
04:18:50,320 --> 04:18:51,780
Let me make a couple comments.

3123
04:18:51,880 --> 04:18:57,120
Comment number one is, I try to follow what we have,

3124
04:18:57,120 --> 04:19:01,560
what we as a county have adopted in our comprehensive plan

3125
04:19:01,560 --> 04:19:04,800
in terms of neighborhood conservation and transition.

3126
04:19:06,740 --> 04:19:12,860
Again, that is a guide, it's not an ordinance, it's not a mandated requirement, but I try to follow that a lot.

3127
04:19:13,800 --> 04:19:17,040
My concern about this site is it's a very challenging site.

3128
04:19:18,340 --> 04:19:23,740
But what we have left in Rono County are only challenging sites.

3129
04:19:24,160 --> 04:19:26,220
All of the easy sites have been developed.

3130
04:19:26,220 --> 04:19:32,940
We are not like Roanoke City where we have a central business or industrial or commercial

3131
04:19:32,940 --> 04:19:33,780
core.

3132
04:19:34,720 --> 04:19:40,900
I use the example of Roanoke County's development or like wagon wheels, and if you think

3133
04:19:40,900 --> 04:19:47,320
of the spokes on the wagon wheel, the spokes are our primary highways, whether they are

3134
04:19:47,320 --> 04:19:51,100
for 60, for 60 West, for 60 East,

3135
04:19:51,460 --> 04:19:52,520
whether they're for 19,

3136
04:19:53,320 --> 04:19:54,580
whether they're up 24,

3137
04:19:55,960 --> 04:19:59,760
our development runs along those primary roads.

3138
04:20:00,800 --> 04:20:03,260
And so we have commercial and industrial development

3139
04:20:03,260 --> 04:20:05,120
along those primary roads,

3140
04:20:05,680 --> 04:20:08,300
but you go one block off that primary road,

3141
04:20:08,840 --> 04:20:10,160
and we have residential neighborhoods.

3142
04:20:11,100 --> 04:20:13,780
And so every time we have a commercial development,

3143
04:20:13,780 --> 04:20:19,320
that commercial development could have an impact on their residential development.

3144
04:20:21,280 --> 04:20:29,060
In my mind, if we can't put a major commercial development on a four-lane divided

3145
04:20:29,060 --> 04:20:34,320
highway where we have a traffic signal, we can't put commercial development any place in

3146
04:20:35,660 --> 04:20:42,180
We're not talking about putting a large commercial development back off, you know, in a rural

3147
04:20:42,900 --> 04:20:45,960
farming area where you don't have access to the road.

3148
04:20:47,180 --> 04:20:48,960
This is a four lane divided highway.

3149
04:20:49,060 --> 04:20:50,320
That's what Brambleton is.

3150
04:20:51,340 --> 04:20:51,620
Yes.

3151
04:20:52,360 --> 04:20:55,480
We have residential neighborhoods to block off.

3152
04:20:55,620 --> 04:20:56,660
And I understand that.

3153
04:20:56,880 --> 04:21:01,240
But I think that's true of almost every one of our developments throughout the county.

3154
04:21:03,340 --> 04:21:13,840
I understand the argument of, do we need a grocery store, assuming this is public, I don't know if it's public or not, I've heard the rumors also.

3155
04:21:15,600 --> 04:21:24,840
I'm not here to discriminate between publics and croaker, or Harris Teter, or Food Lion.

3156
04:21:26,000 --> 04:21:32,440
If you look at our rezoneings in Rono County over the last couple years, we have been

3157
04:21:32,440 --> 04:21:36,400
inundated with car washes up and down for 19.

3158
04:21:37,280 --> 04:21:39,800
We must have the cleanest cars in the whole world.

3159
04:21:40,020 --> 04:21:41,640
We've got so many car washes here.

3160
04:21:41,640 --> 04:21:45,480
I can't deny a rezoning for a car wash.

3161
04:21:46,140 --> 04:21:50,640
If some fool wants to build another car wash and lose his investment,

3162
04:21:50,940 --> 04:21:52,700
that's his problem, not mine.

3163
04:21:53,680 --> 04:21:55,460
Likewise with many warehouses.

3164
04:21:56,080 --> 04:21:57,540
We've got many warehouses everywhere.

3165
04:21:59,400 --> 04:22:04,600
So, if another grocery store wants to come in, I wish him luck.

3166
04:22:05,560 --> 04:22:06,980
You crops went down the tubes.

3167
04:22:07,060 --> 04:22:08,980
Harris Teeter got bought out.

3168
04:22:09,400 --> 04:22:10,380
That's competition.

3169
04:22:10,380 --> 04:22:18,140
That's capitalism. That's the free market. That's what we live by. That's what we claim we live by. I'm okay with that.

3170
04:22:20,000 --> 04:22:29,970
I like what Mr. Scaff and the other members of the Homeowner's Association put together for

3171
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:41,720
It was excellent. And I think, as Mr. Radford point out, some, not all, some of the requests, have been addressed.

3172
04:22:42,380 --> 04:22:47,360
Whether it's lighting, whether it's buffer, whether it's opaque fencing, whether it's hours of operation.

3173
04:22:48,040 --> 04:22:53,820
I think the applicant has attempted to address many of those concerns.

3174
04:22:57,100 --> 04:23:02,480
I'm comfortable, if there is a motion to approve, I'm comfortable supporting it.

3175
04:23:02,660 --> 04:23:07,820
I don't know if there is a motion to approve, we'll be that up to Mr. Bradford.

3176
04:23:10,140 --> 04:23:19,100
But my final concern is, we the Board of Supervisors have some responsibility in this.

3177
04:23:19,100 --> 04:23:24,080
We decided a couple of years ago to acquire the property from Vita.

3178
04:23:24,780 --> 04:23:32,620
We knew what that site was like, and we did it intentionally because we hoped, or assumed,

3179
04:23:33,040 --> 04:23:40,260
or thought, that there would be some kind of new commercial development, whatever it was.

3180
04:23:40,780 --> 04:23:47,760
And if we decide not to go forward, then we never should have made the decision whatever it was.

3181
04:23:47,760 --> 04:23:59,460
Two years ago, when we bought the property, if there's a mistake, then it was the mistake that this board made when we initially acquired the property from the Commonwealth of Virginia.

3182
04:24:02,280 --> 04:24:04,900
And last, there were improvements made.

3183
04:24:04,920 --> 04:24:05,420
That's for.

3184
04:24:06,160 --> 04:24:07,760
Anyway, that's.

3185
04:24:08,800 --> 04:24:09,760
I'll shut up.

3186
04:24:11,040 --> 04:24:13,560
I would like to make one comment if I made Mr. Chairman.

3187
04:24:14,320 --> 04:24:21,340
I've listened to the mother board members, and I guess I have to err on the side of what you just said.

3188
04:24:21,620 --> 04:24:28,600
We've seen this all across the county, Mr. North, I'll listen to the comments about West Roach in it for 60.

3189
04:24:29,500 --> 04:24:34,460
But I also see the side of it that the improvements to those intersections would have never taken place.

3190
04:24:34,860 --> 04:24:40,400
And the improvements we're seeing today would not have taken place if those developments had not.

3191
04:24:44,450 --> 04:24:47,330
I wonder the same question here.

3192
04:24:47,810 --> 04:24:49,110
We've heard about the intersection.

3193
04:24:49,750 --> 04:24:50,890
All the problems are there.

3194
04:24:52,270 --> 04:24:54,250
Well, once that is developed and you're right,

3195
04:24:54,870 --> 04:24:58,650
we did this land swap or whatever we did through the EDA

3196
04:24:58,650 --> 04:25:02,590
in hopes that commercial development would take place there.

3197
04:25:04,310 --> 04:25:07,190
My thought process is it will help that intersection

3198
04:25:07,190 --> 04:25:10,650
because it will force us to make improvements there

3199
04:25:10,650 --> 04:25:15,430
as we have in many other intersections, all across the county.

3200
04:25:17,050 --> 04:25:21,290
So, well, and if we go back and look at history,

3201
04:25:22,650 --> 04:25:25,930
the 1985 rezoning for Finney Finney construction

3202
04:25:25,930 --> 04:25:30,310
to build 27 townhouses.

3203
04:25:31,310 --> 04:25:32,750
That was 1985.

3204
04:25:33,790 --> 04:25:38,550
And for whatever reason, the market never supported that.

3205
04:25:38,550 --> 04:25:43,210
And that has been 37 years and

3206
04:25:47,630 --> 04:25:50,130
I have to say this politically correct.

3207
04:25:51,430 --> 04:25:55,430
Mr. Finney did not build high-end risk-financial developments.

3208
04:25:56,110 --> 04:26:03,710
He built low-to-moderant entry-level development and for whatever reason Fred Finney was

3209
04:26:03,710 --> 04:26:06,290
never able to build those downhouses at that site.

3210
04:26:06,770 --> 04:26:06,970
Why?

3211
04:26:06,970 --> 04:26:07,750
And

3212
04:26:11,080 --> 04:26:19,720
this one last time, if the answer is to be the state that never has been an improvement

3213
04:26:19,720 --> 04:26:23,560
one, and doesn't plan to be any less fluid from road, period.

3214
04:26:24,120 --> 04:26:26,200
There's a beat-off study for the fourth beat-off.

3215
04:26:26,240 --> 04:26:27,420
Four, sixty stuff in the world.

3216
04:26:27,600 --> 04:26:30,840
That don't have a thing to do with less fluid from road.

3217
04:26:31,700 --> 04:26:34,420
It has to do with, for seizing the fluid and the fourth things.

3218
04:26:34,600 --> 04:26:37,860
Right moving just to point that out there.

3219
04:26:37,860 --> 04:26:43,480
And this situation in my mind, limits itself to the same circumstances, some five or

3220
04:26:43,480 --> 04:26:44,880
seven years later down the road.

3221
04:26:45,860 --> 04:26:50,080
Well, we'll have that debate though every zoning comes and it is coming next year, I

3222
04:26:50,080 --> 04:26:50,660
know.

3223
04:26:54,080 --> 04:26:58,760
Mr. Bradford, what's the pleasure of, what's the pleasure of the board?

3224
04:26:59,660 --> 04:27:05,560
Well, I thank y'all for all your comments and it looks like we're going to have a split

3225
04:27:05,560 --> 04:27:06,220
vote.

3226
04:27:08,780 --> 04:27:16,800
So we'll see what happens. I find that the proposed Resonary request, while not consistent

3227
04:27:16,800 --> 04:27:23,040
with the transition or neighborhood conservation, future land use designation, it is in

3228
04:27:23,040 --> 04:27:28,600
performance with the C2 zone properties along the old case spring road and along the corridor

3229
04:27:28,600 --> 04:27:36,190
or Brains and Avenue. It's good zoning practice. I don't think it will result in substantial

3230
04:27:36,190 --> 04:27:43,070
detrimental to the community. We've kind of talked about the Farmington community.

3231
04:27:46,270 --> 04:27:51,630
Out there for, move that we approve the rezoning request, as it has been requested,

3232
04:27:51,890 --> 04:27:58,750
removing any existing conditions on each of the 11 parcels, which make up the subject property of the rezoning,

3233
04:27:58,910 --> 04:28:04,230
the subject of following proper conditions, one. The site shall be developed in substantial

3234
04:28:04,230 --> 04:28:11,130
performance with the concept plan prepared by Lumston Associates Associates, dated August 30,

3235
04:28:11,530 --> 04:28:18,530
22, 22, and revised November 30, 22 subject to any changes required during the comprehensive

3236
04:28:18,530 --> 04:28:20,390
site plan review process.

3237
04:28:21,110 --> 04:28:28,910
The number two hours off operation shall be no earlier than 6 a.m. and no later than 12 a.m.

3238
04:28:29,070 --> 04:28:29,750
each day.

3239
04:28:33,540 --> 04:28:34,900
We have motion to improve the ordinance.

3240
04:28:35,020 --> 04:28:35,780
Do we have a second?

3241
04:28:35,780 --> 04:28:39,520
Mr. Peters, most of the second.

3242
04:28:39,700 --> 04:28:41,180
Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

3243
04:28:41,760 --> 04:28:42,320
Mr. Peters?

3244
04:28:42,500 --> 04:28:42,760
Yes.

3245
04:28:43,340 --> 04:28:44,260
Mrs. Hooker?

3246
04:28:44,580 --> 04:28:46,020
No. Mr. North?

3247
04:28:46,180 --> 04:28:46,520
No.

3248
04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:47,760
Mr. Radford?

3249
04:28:48,000 --> 04:28:49,320
Yes. Mr. Mahoney?

3250
04:28:49,660 --> 04:28:49,940
Yes.

3251
04:28:50,820 --> 04:28:51,440
Thank you.

3252
04:28:57,420 --> 04:28:58,760
Next item on our agenda.

3253
04:28:58,960 --> 04:29:00,460
Citizen comments and communications.

3254
04:29:00,860 --> 04:29:01,600
I have none.

3255
04:29:02,660 --> 04:29:06,900
Next item on the agenda is reports and inquiry support members.

3256
04:29:07,480 --> 04:29:09,660
Mr. Radford is up first.

3257
04:29:16,980 --> 04:29:20,160
Thank you, Mr. Scott.

3258
04:29:20,580 --> 04:29:23,520
Good evening,

3259
04:29:50,880 --> 04:29:53,180
again Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

3260
04:29:53,960 --> 04:29:58,420
Because two thirds of the grocery store land is zone residential, two thirds of

3261
04:29:58,420 --> 04:29:59,980
This land has a future land used to...

3262
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:12,600
Resignation of transition, and one-third residential conservation, both designation's residential, making the grocery store inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the county's adopted comprehensive plan.

3263
04:30:13,360 --> 04:30:22,540
Three of the surrounding properties are zone residential, four residents, both their homes assuming the county would honor the zoning and future land use designations.

3264
04:30:22,540 --> 04:30:25,840
And five, and grocery store, rural consultants of substantial

3265
04:30:25,840 --> 04:30:28,700
decrement to the community, including perpetual noise,

3266
04:30:29,300 --> 04:30:32,980
nighttime light, traffic congestion, and endangerment,

3267
04:30:33,200 --> 04:30:36,660
reducing quality of life, and causing property values

3268
04:30:36,660 --> 04:30:37,340
to decline.

3269
04:30:38,060 --> 04:30:41,620
Therefore, rezoning is tantamount to a taking that is

3270
04:30:41,620 --> 04:30:44,380
confiscation of real value by the Ronald County

3271
04:30:44,380 --> 04:30:44,820
government.

3272
04:30:45,380 --> 04:30:47,760
Accordingly, I respectfully propose that the board

3273
04:30:47,760 --> 04:30:51,360
moved to reduce my half the real estate evaluation

3274
04:30:51,360 --> 04:30:57,720
that is assessment or taxable value of housing and buildings located in farming and

3275
04:30:57,720 --> 04:31:02,800
place, Kingston, court, and in the vicinity of long-cashling lane and old-cashling road,

3276
04:31:03,160 --> 04:31:07,900
the Jeff Moronic property, and localities beyond that, that will be detrimental

3277
04:31:07,900 --> 04:31:09,940
affected by the grocery store.

3278
04:31:10,260 --> 04:31:14,440
Freeze these taxable values for as long as the grocery store is an operation and the

3279
04:31:14,440 --> 04:31:19,640
land on which it is located to zone C2, and three places are charged on the grocery

3280
04:31:19,640 --> 04:31:24,860
stores tax bill to compensate for this loss of revenue to the county equal to the revenue

3281
04:31:24,860 --> 04:31:25,320
loss.

3282
04:31:25,740 --> 04:31:26,800
Thank you.

3283
04:31:28,200 --> 04:31:28,480
All right.

3284
04:31:29,880 --> 04:31:35,380
Item Ann and our agenda reports and inquiries, the board members, the first speaker, the first

3285
04:31:35,380 --> 04:31:40,920
board members, up is Mr. Raffer, health comments, Mr. Peters.

3286
04:31:42,660 --> 04:31:47,920
Just a couple, first one I would remember to invite everyone to the Illinois Senate.

3287
04:31:48,640 --> 04:31:52,100
I know we went out there a few weeks ago, it was a great time.

3288
04:31:57,950 --> 04:32:00,230
I had something else.

3289
04:32:00,510 --> 04:32:02,210
You know, whatever that was, moveable.

3290
04:32:03,550 --> 04:32:06,050
The last thing I'd like to tell everybody about, everybody has a great Christmas.

3291
04:32:06,670 --> 04:32:09,510
I want to thank our board for a great year.

3292
04:32:09,610 --> 04:32:13,050
I want to thank you for my honey for a great year.

3293
04:32:13,550 --> 04:32:15,230
You did a great job hurting the cats.

3294
04:32:15,910 --> 04:32:18,530
I want to thank staff for everything they do for us.

3295
04:32:18,530 --> 04:32:24,950
all the employees of our county, what they do to keep us moving daily, and the citizens

3296
04:32:24,950 --> 04:32:28,290
for allowing us to stop, thank you, Mr. Tucker.

3297
04:32:28,650 --> 04:32:29,130
Real quickly.

3298
04:32:29,250 --> 04:32:30,370
I've got a couple of items.

3299
04:32:30,910 --> 04:32:36,690
I really appreciate it to visit that we were able to have delegate Joe McNamara, Mr.

3300
04:32:36,770 --> 04:32:42,770
Brent Hudson, Dr. Ken Nicely, Chairman Homehoney, and I were able to visit Glencove Elementary

3301
04:32:42,770 --> 04:32:47,330
School recently, and I want to thank them for arranging this tour.

3302
04:32:47,330 --> 04:32:54,810
I've toured it many times before, but it's always good to go and be reminded of the needs there and that certainly happened.

3303
04:32:55,790 --> 04:33:11,310
Number two, I'm pleased with the work this board has done and with the memorandum of understanding that was discussed and voted on today in coming up with a solution for the school board's priority of the CTE Center.

3304
04:33:11,310 --> 04:33:19,170
We were able to stay inside our current tax base with this funding plan and that's very important.

3305
04:33:19,430 --> 04:33:27,690
I'm especially pleased that we're able to think outside the box and put together a package that helps mitigate the concerns of the elementary schools.

3306
04:33:28,310 --> 04:33:30,350
Number three, our volunteer fire department.

3307
04:33:30,690 --> 04:33:39,910
I just want to say thank you to them. They've been driving around a lot of neighborhoods recently with Santa and the kids of all ages have been enjoying that.

3308
04:33:39,910 --> 04:33:46,010
I also enjoyed our illuminates visit and plan to go back again with a different set of

3309
04:33:46,010 --> 04:33:51,470
grandkids and it's just a great thing that our county is providing.

3310
04:33:52,150 --> 04:33:57,650
And then the last thing is you all have more champions and bring in a number of high school

3311
04:33:57,650 --> 04:34:03,310
volleyball team, state champions, I've already talked to them and we're making arrangements

3312
04:34:03,310 --> 04:34:05,330
for them to come and be congratulated.

3313
04:34:05,330 --> 04:34:07,430
You have not met our maximum.

3314
04:34:07,730 --> 04:34:08,370
You have exceeded.

3315
04:34:08,650 --> 04:34:09,870
No, we have not.

3316
04:34:10,210 --> 04:34:10,390
Good.

3317
04:34:10,390 --> 04:34:11,130
Thank you very much.

3318
04:34:11,290 --> 04:34:11,850
Mr. Chairman.

3319
04:34:12,930 --> 04:34:13,670
Mr. Norr.

3320
04:34:14,310 --> 04:34:15,230
See what we've started.

3321
04:34:18,350 --> 04:34:20,370
No, it's a good thing.

3322
04:34:20,830 --> 04:34:22,050
There's this very successful.

3323
04:34:23,590 --> 04:34:24,190
There's a good thing.

3324
04:34:24,750 --> 04:34:29,450
Tend it to Virginia County's conference with several other board members in November 13th

3325
04:34:29,450 --> 04:34:30,110
through the 50.

3326
04:34:30,790 --> 04:34:35,050
Also served as a moderator of the Transportation Forum with Virginia

3327
04:34:35,050 --> 04:34:40,050
Secretary of Transportation, Chef Miller, the panel discussed in a variety of topics such

3328
04:34:40,050 --> 04:34:45,470
as smart-scale airport federal and state funding and rural runs improvements.

3329
04:34:46,210 --> 04:34:51,750
So, November the 17th attended the Regional Partnership Investor Update, the town has been

3330
04:34:51,750 --> 04:34:58,750
the best year since the 2017, regarding $234 million of the economic impact as business

3331
04:34:58,750 --> 04:35:00,990
attraction has been higher than pre-pandemic.

3332
04:35:02,330 --> 04:35:04,850
Just this year alone, we've had 234 economic

3333
04:35:04,850 --> 04:35:07,710
conquiries in the region, and remote workers have

3334
04:35:07,710 --> 04:35:11,150
decreased 9% in large part.

3335
04:35:11,170 --> 04:35:14,170
She's we have increased 9% in large part because workers

3336
04:35:14,170 --> 04:35:16,890
are moving here from Georgia, Virginia, D.C.

3337
04:35:16,950 --> 04:35:19,910
and the Maryland area, relocating to our region.

3338
04:35:20,550 --> 04:35:22,590
Meanwhile, we've been named in the top 24

3339
04:35:22,590 --> 04:35:26,990
mountain towns in the United States, something to be very proud of.

3340
04:35:26,990 --> 04:35:32,530
Also, November 21st, I chaired the Ronald Valley Alligating Regional Commission Legislative

3341
04:35:32,530 --> 04:35:37,050
agenda for 2023 general assembly representatives in our area.

3342
04:35:37,690 --> 04:35:42,570
Among the many items we shared in our priorities was an airport expansion, delegate

3343
04:35:42,570 --> 04:35:47,150
Austin, who chaired the Transportation Committee in the House and delegates, and serves

3344
04:35:47,150 --> 04:35:51,450
as the Vice Chair of the Appropriations Committee, has had discussions with the governor

3345
04:35:51,450 --> 04:35:58,350
and is asked for a 10-year strategic benefit analysis for the airport expansion for Governor

3346
04:35:58,350 --> 04:36:00,070
Yunkins' review and support.

3347
04:36:00,630 --> 04:36:04,350
The governor stopped after visiting this area and was waiting back and asked for that

3348
04:36:04,350 --> 04:36:07,210
request when meeting one-on-one with delegate Austin.

3349
04:36:07,970 --> 04:36:12,910
So far as I know the Rona Valley Alligator Regional Commission is working with other entities

3350
04:36:12,910 --> 04:36:14,870
here in the valley to put that together.

3351
04:36:15,830 --> 04:36:22,470
On December 6th, we spoke to the CTV enrichment at Vita headquarters on the I-8 and one widening

3352
04:36:22,470 --> 04:36:25,330
project between X and 137 and 128.

3353
04:36:25,970 --> 04:36:31,710
This is supported by the Secretary of Transportation, both this area and the I-64 expansion.

3354
04:36:32,450 --> 04:36:38,910
The project resolution passed 15 to O and one abstention for spark scale V9 application

3355
04:36:38,910 --> 04:36:42,570
estimated spark scale cost is around $300 million.

3356
04:36:43,070 --> 04:36:46,890
This was the first project on the unfunded list of about six projects

3357
04:36:46,890 --> 04:36:50,190
that were unable to be funded in 20, 20, 20, and the reasonable

3358
04:36:50,790 --> 04:36:52,650
I-81 plan.

3359
04:36:53,250 --> 04:36:54,630
And I will tell you this.

3360
04:36:54,710 --> 04:36:56,230
This was a total team effort.

3361
04:36:56,990 --> 04:36:59,250
And the doctor smoothed.

3362
04:36:59,250 --> 04:37:00,170
Delegate Alston.

3363
04:37:00,590 --> 04:37:02,890
The V-Doc folks here in King.

3364
04:37:03,510 --> 04:37:04,450
Brian Blavins.

3365
04:37:05,870 --> 04:37:08,030
All the regional governments that are putting together

3366
04:37:08,030 --> 04:37:13,710
resolutions of support, so the application can be bolstered from everyone in this area.

3367
04:37:14,110 --> 04:37:18,670
This was a great accomplishment, and I hope that it doesn't have any bumps in the road,

3368
04:37:18,930 --> 04:37:23,930
part of the pun, as it goes forward, to improve safety and fluidity in a long I-81.

3369
04:37:24,810 --> 04:37:29,970
Interesting enough, the reason this project can't be pursued, is it's going to take the south path.

3370
04:37:30,000 --> 04:37:39,860
I'm going to take the northbound funding and use that to leverage the southbound widening, which is using lighting wisely to get things not. That's all I have, Mr. Chair.

3371
04:37:40,280 --> 04:37:40,980
Thank you.

3372
04:37:41,940 --> 04:37:42,600
Several things.

3373
04:37:45,720 --> 04:37:51,940
I think we, supervisor, north, did you mention the legislative breakfast we had on November 30th?

3374
04:37:52,080 --> 04:37:52,840
I did not.

3375
04:37:53,580 --> 04:38:01,100
We had a legislative breakfast that was put on by the Salem Rono Chamber of Commerce, also the realtors in the home

3376
04:38:01,680 --> 04:38:07,300
bringing those private groups together, but we also had Secretary Slater here, who was talking

3377
04:38:07,300 --> 04:38:13,380
about workforce development, but I think all of us believe, meshes in with workforce

3378
04:38:13,380 --> 04:38:17,820
development through the career and technical education facility in Rona County.

3379
04:38:17,880 --> 04:38:22,340
I think that was important, and it was great to be meeting Attorney General Mayaris here.

3380
04:38:22,340 --> 04:38:34,540
On November 18th, I was invited to attend a meeting that Rabbi Kathy Cohen, the Temple of Mania, was putting together.

3381
04:38:35,300 --> 04:38:43,500
She's concerned about the increase in anti-Semitism and prejudice and hate crimes going on around the country.

3382
04:38:43,920 --> 04:38:51,860
And she wanted to put together a community group to try to anticipate and proactively address those issues.

3383
04:38:51,860 --> 04:38:57,180
And so I'll be looking forward to attending some of those meetings with her members of

3384
04:38:57,180 --> 04:39:01,920
Toronto City Council, where there are other members of the local community, where there.

3385
04:39:02,560 --> 04:39:09,180
And I think I give a lot of credit to Rabbi Cohen beginning that initiative and that I'll

3386
04:39:09,180 --> 04:39:12,680
try to represent the county wells in those endeavors.

3387
04:39:15,280 --> 04:39:21,280
I read in the Toronto Times the other day about how the City of Toronto is part of their

3388
04:39:21,280 --> 04:39:30,780
legislative program, I thought took a fairly courageous action to try to rescind some of the

3389
04:39:30,780 --> 04:39:37,100
criminal justice legislation that had been adopted in the previous General Assembly.

3390
04:39:38,100 --> 04:39:45,100
And it came in late today, but Chief Hall, before he retires, it gets out of town.

3391
04:39:45,700 --> 04:39:50,060
Chief Hall was asking that we might include that as part of our legislative program.

3392
04:39:50,060 --> 04:39:56,360
So I'd like to find out from the board, is that would we want to support what

3393
04:39:56,360 --> 04:39:57,800
Bruno of City was supporting?

3394
04:39:58,700 --> 04:40:01,180
Would we want to tell Felden to do that?

3395
04:40:01,500 --> 04:40:01,740
Yes.

3396
04:40:02,140 --> 04:40:08,280
I'm planning on having lunch with Mayor Lee sometime this week to try to talk about

3397
04:40:08,280 --> 04:40:12,220
different areas where Bruno County and Bruno of City can cooperate together.

3398
04:40:12,220 --> 04:40:16,420
And I'd like to tell him that we would like to add that to our legislative

3399
04:40:16,420 --> 04:40:17,020
program.

3400
04:40:20,540 --> 04:40:28,300
I want to echo what Supervisor Peter said, folks, you got to go to illuminates, it is fantastic.

3401
04:40:29,860 --> 04:40:32,820
We're running out of time, it ends fairly quickly.

3402
04:40:34,020 --> 04:40:35,740
My family enjoyed it.

3403
04:40:35,820 --> 04:40:41,920
We are going to go out again with all sorts of grandchildren, and so it is just a wonderful

3404
04:40:41,920 --> 04:40:47,600
the whole event and then it has worked out so great with our partnership with Center in

3405
04:40:47,600 --> 04:40:52,500
the Square with respect to the Illuminati event that explore part.

3406
04:40:53,400 --> 04:40:55,600
Finally, happy holidays, everybody.

3407
04:40:56,660 --> 04:40:57,460
Be safe.

3408
04:40:58,260 --> 04:41:00,960
Hope everybody has a happy and joyous holiday season.

3409
04:41:01,760 --> 04:41:02,180
And with that.

3410
04:41:02,240 --> 04:41:04,560
Mr. Chair, one comment for you.

3411
04:41:05,180 --> 04:41:11,900
I'd like to see a resolution for these items you mentioned in January, but you can

3412
04:41:11,900 --> 04:41:16,880
now and then I don't see anything wrong with you running a letter since the board seems to be in agreement

3413
04:41:17,520 --> 04:41:22,140
of support and get that out to all our local legislators before they go off to Richmond.

3414
04:41:22,180 --> 04:41:24,520
I know they would appreciate getting that a little early.

3415
04:41:24,780 --> 04:41:28,580
We can follow up with the resolution later of course, but I have no objections.

3416
04:41:28,740 --> 04:41:31,380
I don't think anyone else in the board would have been able to do a running a letter of support.

3417
04:41:31,740 --> 04:41:33,240
Thank you.

3418
04:41:33,240 --> 04:41:37,240
With that, we're adjourned and now we're in this.

3419
04:41:38,200 --> 04:41:38,940
No, you are.

3420
04:41:42,440 --> 04:41:44,160
No, no, no, no, no.

3421
04:41:44,860 --> 04:41:47,280
Let me see. Let me see. Let's see if how hard it is.

3422
04:41:48,380 --> 04:41:49,300
Let's see if we can.

3423
04:41:49,300 --> 04:41:50,040
Am I rich?

3424
04:41:52,630 --> 04:41:59,430
Sirius Form of Skin Cancer, Dr. Paul Burton, chief medical officer of Moderna, said the results,

3425
04:41:59,650 --> 04:42:00,290
what promising?

3426
04:42:00,850 --> 04:42:05,010
It's the first randomized trial, testing an mRNA therapeutic

3427
04:42:05,010 --> 04:42:12,070
in cancer patients, it's shown a 44% reduction in the risk of dying a cancer or having

3428
04:42:12,070 --> 04:42:17,250
your cancer progressed. That's an important finding, and I think it has the potential

3429
04:42:17,250 --> 04:42:18,970
to be a new paradigm.