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They are good 3 to 5 weeks after the so-by dates. Certainly, those can be in milk, yogurt, dairy products as well.

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Well, what are some other ways to tell? I know Doug Roush, a former president of Fader Joe's is something of a mentor to you. What are some other ways that people like you and he might look at a can or a box and determine that something's wrong?

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I was always told that if the top of a can is like puffed up, beware.

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So for cans, if they are dented or if they're puffed, they are probably no longer safe.

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But aside from that, if your can is in perfect condition, canned foods can last years and

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years and years, well past the dates on them.

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are literally boxed foods, any dry foods in your pantry are really good, almost indefinitely.

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And I think one place where people get confused is when they open a product from their pantry,

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let's say a curtain of soup, and they're not sure once it's opened, how long it's good for.

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And so oftentimes it will stay on the package, but if not, you can sort of put that leftover, you know,

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four to seven days or typically about how long those products are good for.

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Well, Dana Gunders, what do you think is going to happen here in the US?

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We know the EU is reconsidering food labels, some major food chains in the UK got rid of

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their best before labels.

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What's going to happen here?

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Well, what we have seen happen here is in the private sector is moving towards voluntary guidelines

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towards just two dates on food.

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one that would indicate quality or freshness and with a phrase like best of used by

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and a separate phrase like used by that would indicate there is a safety concern and that product really should be thrown out after that date.

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There has been more and more support from the corporate community actually to have the state-level standardization

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because for one it would lead to less confusion among consumers.

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It would also supersede the state laws and there's so many different state laws out there

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that companies are having a follow.

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So it really would simplify things as well as reduce waste.

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That's Dana Gunders, executive director at ReFed and on profit that works with corporations

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and others to try to reduce waste and food.

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She's also author of the waste-free kitchen handbook a guide to eating well

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and saving money by wasting less food.

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Dana, thanks so much.

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I really appreciate it, thank you, Robin.

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The tiny Pacific island nation of Vanuatu is still struggling to recover

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one month after a cyber attack. The government isn't sharing many details about what happened,

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and that's added to the confusion. As NPR's Genomegloffland reports, the breach raises

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questions about the global costs of cyber crime and the future of geopolitical relations in

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region. In Venezuela too, in archipelago off the coast of Australia, newly elected government

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officials got off to a rough start. On November 6, new members of Parliament, led by Prime Minister

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Alitoy, Ishmael, Calsakao, couldn't send any emails. Something was wrong. Communication is vital

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in Venezuela too. It's 320,000 citizens live across the chain of islands. Plus, the UNDM the country

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most vulnerable to natural disaster. After first detecting a breach, things only got worse.

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They turned out all government programs were down from medical data to emergency systems.

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We had first country in the world, and we're not proud to say that. First country in the world

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that this is hair contone. Glenn Craig is with Pacific Advisory, and he serves as the chairman

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of the Vanuatu Business Resilience Council. It's not a bit time and Vanuatu, I can assure you.

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There's still very little information out there about what happened.

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Those sources who spoke to NPR suggested Vanuatu had been hit by ransomware.

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The U.S. has had its fair share of damage inflicted by cyber criminals.

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But recently, the Pacific region has been getting hammered.

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Just last month, two major Australian companies were breached,

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prompting a strong response from home affairs minister Clare O'Neill.

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A number of people have said,

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this is a big wake-up hole for our country.

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We cannot allow this to continue.

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In a cold of reporters, O'Neill said that the Australian government would pursue the Russian

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Thugs, her words, who stole people's healthcare information.

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Australian officials are on the ground helping get Venowatu back on mine.

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Part of the urgency may be fierce that China could take advantage of the situation to

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deepen ties to the tiny island nation by offering assistance or technology.

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Venowatu is officially neutral and maintains friendships with both Beijing and Washington.

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In his last update, the Vanuatu Prime Minister said 70% of systems have been restored.

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The questions remain about the impact of the month-long outage.

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Gentlemen, Gothlin and Pyrenees.

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This afternoon, on all things, considered the government's charges of fraud and conspiracy

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against Sam Bankman Free, the former CEO of the Cryptocurrency Exchange FTX, who is now under

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local devastation by name. It's here and now.

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It's here and now.

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The holiday season often means family recipes and they don't have to be fancy.

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One of my favorites is a family recipe for a South Indian prawn curry.

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All the women in my family make it masterfully.

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And in fact, it's pretty close to a recipe that we received from a listener from Yuma, Arizona,

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Sojata Halankar.

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It's part of a month of sharing your family recipes.

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Sojata's recipe is for fish curry.

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Welcome, Sajata. Hi, so I have to tell you that my family comes from the same coastal region of India,

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your family is from, Compton, and my producer, Kalyani is also a company. So between you, me and Kalyani,

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we've got a lot of fish currys in our family. Yes, and it's really nice to know that you are from the same region.

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Yes, and to tell us about the women in your family and this recipe. Yes, so this recipe is a

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of it, generational facility, my grandmother started cooking, my mom's mother started cooking it.

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and it's a, it's nothing very fancy, the ingredients are very basic locally available ingredients,

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like coconut, garlic, green chilies, onions, and chilli powder, coriander powder, and that's about it.

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And we are from the region where we grow a lot of coconut so, coconut has got,

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Let's begin our meeting. I would like to introduce Pastor Daniel Palmer of North Rono Baptist Church. I would ask Pastor Cmonup, tell us a little bit about his church and his congregation.

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And then after he's finished with that, he let us know when he's ready to give the invocation. I would then ask everyone if you so desire.

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You don't have to, but if you so desire, you can stand up and join us in the invitation.

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And please remain standing, because after that, we will do the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I'd like to be here today, a little bit about our church. Again, our church is North Rowan Oak Baptist Church.

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And we are people. We are people who have been rescued by Jesus to worship and proclaim His glory.

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And we are unapologetically committed to living that out in our daily lives.

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We believe the gospel is this that God has a son and he sent him to rescue us.

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He was crucified in our place, risen on the third day as promised.

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And he is now ascended at the right hand of the Father, ruling and reigning and righteousness.

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And we are committed to following him.

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If you'd like to know more about this Jesus, we'd love to see you on Sundays.

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It's 6402 Peter Street Road at 9.15 for Bible study and at 10.30 for worship, but more to what might be of interest to you is the impact we are making because we've been changed by the gospel in the Roanoke Valley.

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We exist to be Christ church, which is why we worship. We also exist to impact the Roanoke Valley. We want to make a positive difference in lives in the Roanoke Valley.

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We have a partnership with the League of Old Americans with their Let's Do Launch Program.

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We'd encourage you to come out and support them.

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We offer free ESL classes every Wednesday night to people who are learning English as a second

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language.

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We are the evacuation site for Burlington Elementary School and also for Runa County Schools

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if there's a more significant event for which we were our services and facility would be

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needed.

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We provide meals on a regular basis for the faculty and staff at Burlington Elementary Schools

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and Mountain View Elementary School.

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We provide open gyms to address teens in the Rona Valley,

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and we are a meeting site for various community events

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and organizations, everything from the sewing

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guild to the local fire department.

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So it's a blessing to be able to serve here

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in the Rona Valley and to be able to pray for you today.

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Let's pray.

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Our Father and our God, I give you praise for this board

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and for the people gathered in this room

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and their various roles and responsibilities

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to the residents of the county of Rona, Virginia.

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Guy, we thank you for a beautiful place to live,

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just driving down the inner state, the sun,

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and the clouds, and the mountains,

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it's a beautiful place to be, to work, and to live,

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and to have the opportunity to be a blessing to others.

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Guy, I pray that every member of the board this day

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And for as long as they serve, would see this as an opportunity that they would see it as a stewardship.

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God, that you would give them wisdom and the decisions that they make and the decisions that they make would be unto the end of human flourishing.

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God, that men and women and boys and girls throughout Rona County would have better lives because of the decisions that are made here.

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And God, I thank you for the liberty that we have at North Rona Baptist Church to gather freely, to worship freely, to conduct our lives under the lordship of Jesus Christ.

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without persecution or fear or interference from this governing body.

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God, I probably would always be that way

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that we would cherish the free exercise of religion here in

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Rono County.

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We thank you for the gospel in Jesus' name. Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

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pastor, that is an impressive list of activities that most run-of practice is involved in it.

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I think you're real.

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You and your church are real gem in our community.

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Very impressive.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon and welcome to our meeting on December 13th, 2022.

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Regular meetings are held on the second and fourth Tuesdays at 3 o'clock PM.

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Public hearings are 7 o'clock PM on 4th Tuesday of each month, deviations from the schedule will be announced.

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As you can all see, we have deviated from that schedule for our November and December meetings.

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Meetings are broadcast live on our VTV channel 3, and will be rebroadcast on 3rd day at 7 o'clock PM and on Sunday 10 a.m. until 5 p.m.

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Board of Supervisors meetings can also be viewed online through Runup County's website at www.Runup CountyB8.gov.

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Our meetings are close captions, so it is important for everyone to speak directly into the microphone's at the podium.

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Individuals who require assistance or special arrangements to participate in,

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or to attend Board of Supervisors meetings should contact the Clerk of the Board at 54077-72005

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at least 48 hours and finally, please turn off your cell phones or place them on site.

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Opening ceremonies item one roll call, Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll.

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Mr. Peters, here. This is a snowboard, Mr. Radford.

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Here. This is my home.

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There. I'd be request to postpone, add or to change the order of our agenda items.

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Are there any requests to postpone, add or change in the items on such evidence?

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Mr. Kaywood?

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No changes.

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Mr. Lou Beck.

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No, sir.

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Thank you, sir.

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That's a point of privilege on the part of the chairman.

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I've before we go into item C.

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Our proclamations, resolutions,

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recognitions and awards.

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I would ask the clerk to show the video

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from the state of the county meeting that we had last week.

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I had the opportunity, and I thank Amy and Greg Craig and all the folks at RVTV.

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I had the opportunity to see this video several times, and I think for many board members,

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the first time you saw it was Wednesday morning, I just think it is a fantastic video.

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Madam Clerk, would you please show it?

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awards.

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See, one is a resolution recognizing making

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pro-nice, a system director planning, for exemplary service.

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Mr. Chairman, I'm members of the board, as you all know, I think this is my favorite thing to do is to come up with a very deserving employee to recognize, and this would represent that recognition for the fourth quarter of this year, and today I'm recommending that you recognize making pro-nice.

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And I think as I got to hear at your state of the county address,

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transportation has really become kind of the cornerstone of many of our economic

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developments and making this the cornerstone of that effort.

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And I was trying to think of what to say about Megan because the accolades could go on for

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a really long time, but I thought I might go briefly back into history when I first came to

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the county. And as you know, I had a 20-year career at the highway department before coming here.

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But one of the first things I was told is the minimum floor is,

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Richard, we hired you because you were good at capital projects.

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We let you to work on that.

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But forget about all that transportation stuff, the board,

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you don't know what I'd ever asked it in that.

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We're not doing anything with that.

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And just forget that that ever happened and work on these buildings.

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That's not okay. That was fun. I'll do that.

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But then after a year or so I was looking around

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about what we really could benefit from some more investment

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and transportation and engagement there.

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And I was looking for someone who could really carry that torch.

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And like in my role in this process,

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do Michael Jordan's Haskell basketball coach?

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Because he did have a coach and he's most known for not letting Michael Jordan on the team

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have sophomore year.

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So Michael Jordan went and became the star of the JV team.

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And then, of course, he had a very successful hospital career that led to the Michael Jordan we know today.

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But the analogy there is very apt.

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I did work with Megan and tried to teach her what I knew, but just as Michael Jordan's

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high school basketball coach could not play basketball nearly as well as he could.

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I certainly came to hardly any of the things that Megan does for us today, so she has

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been instrumental in many, many, many, many application for funding, I think, for accounting

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our size.

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We have had phenomenal success, and the one thing that I think will really blast is I know

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I go to meetings around the state with Megan to talk about transportation or to see folks

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at VDOT.

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To just about everybody that we see would love to have Megan be a part of their team.

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And we're so fortunate to have her as a part of our team.

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So with that, I know the clerk will read the resolution here shortly, but that just can't

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think or enough for all of her efforts.

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And it really has been, I think, the background of that success we've seen in the

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cannot be development.

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Madam Clerk, please read the resolution.

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Resolution, organizing, make-and-cornerized assistant director planning for exemplary service to run a county.

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Bray as in May 2006, make-and-cornerized was hired by Wannock County as a planner too.

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And during her tenure has been provided to principal planner, transportation planning manager, and assistant director of planning.

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And we're as Megan has led and managed the transportation division of the planning department for the last four years.

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And whereas Megan has developed strong, effective, working relationships and partnerships with

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local, regional and state transportation groups and agencies.

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And whereas Megan has coordinated and submitted many successful transportation grant

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applications over the years, including a hundred million of funded transportation projects

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in the rip 419 and rip 460 corridors, multimodal improvements along Plantation Road, Williamson Road

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and West Main Street, and Greenway projects, such as the Great Creek Greenway, and the

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Vineyard Park West.

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And whereas in 2022, Megan has coordinated an assisted in submission of 18 grant applications

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to a non-agmanium in transportation projects and studies, which included the successful funding

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of Cortrain and the McFingnaug Trailhead Shuttle.

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And whereas Megan continues to plan for transportation improvements to the county's transportation

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system by coordinating recommendations in the Brown County to Wunderclam in the work for 60

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land use and connectivity study. And we're as making keep citizens, county departments,

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and the Board of Supervisors informed by the variety of transportation issues, including

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changes, traffic operations, traffic safety issues, funding opportunities, and current studies.

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And we're as making continues to be a strong and passionate advocate for the counties and

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transportation system and its improvement. And whereas Megan's positive attitude and commitment to

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our programs, it could difference every day in many of our accounting citizens lives.

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Now, therefore, be...

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It resolved that the Board of Supervisors of R&T County expresses its deepest appreciation and the appreciation

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of the citizens of R&T County to make incolonized for her dedicated service to R&T County, and

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further the Board of Supervisors does express its best wishes for continued success in the

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future. Do we have a motion to approve the resolution? Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve

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the resolution. Do we have a session? Second.

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that court. Mr. Peters? Yes. Mr. Noor? Yes. Mr. Radford? Yes.

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Mr. Mahoney? Yes.

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Do you want to say anything or do you want to wait?

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So today's side of Monday or it's just...

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I'll have something briefly.

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I would like to thank you very much for your remarks.

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I want to thank our team and transportation and planning because nothing I do I do alone.

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We have a fantastic team here at the county, not only in our department, but also across the county

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it's work with a number of people across departments.

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Some of them in the very back of the room, and I really do enjoy that.

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We also can't do what we do without the support of you, or be not safe with residency staff,

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where I'm 11th in his folks are outstanding, as well as the same district,

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I'm a be not.

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So, and lastly, I wanted to to thank Philip and Doug and Richard for when I come to them with an idea.

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They rarely talk me out of it, so being able to move forward on some really new and innovative projects for the county is really exciting and it makes it fun to come to work every day to take on some videos.

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I really appreciate that.

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Any comment?

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Yeah, I'll go first.

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Well, I can understand them agreeing with you because you really do bring fresh and innovative ideas.

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And so it would be hard to say no to thoughts.

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So you're a great strategic anchor,

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and you kind of think about those moves,

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like the chess match.

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You think of those moves ahead of time.

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So when we get here, it's like, oh, we have got that figured out.

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So Megan, great.

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Thank you for recognizing her and we'll see you around.

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Just want to end to this.

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There's nobody that I'd really go to Richmond about to be.

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we did, but absolutely amazed me in a span of four days, government moves so swiftly to go before

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our state committee and succeed in living our message. I'm astounding that in five years of

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this board, we did that so quickly. It just goes to show me that we can do it in a large part,

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the message is crafted by you. You make the PowerPoint saying and you make the words that we deliver

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And I want to thank you for the bottom of my heart.

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So we treasure you.

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I mean, it's obvious we all just really appreciate your ongoing...

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I mean, you've been doing this kind of work for a long time now.

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And from the planning department and even before transportation,

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you've excelled everywhere you've been.

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And this is just your latest victory lap.

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And we're not surprised we appreciate you.

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I really don't know what else I'm saying.

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I mean, did it all of that, but I again, like Martha, I've worked with Megan for just a few years,

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but we're not very old.

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And you've always been great to work with, helped me understand a lot of things when I

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questioned it.

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I don't think you're a huge asset to be here.

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Thank you.

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Just one last thing, Mr. Chair.

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No good deed goes on punishment, so it would have a raise a bar, so we can do it more.

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I know we'll succeed.

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This is what a girl would like to take a picture.

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Next item on our agenda.

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Next item on our agenda is item D.

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D. One is a briefing.

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Briefing to introduce Danny Poe,

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Assistant Director of Economic Development.

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Megan Baker.

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Hi, good afternoon.

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Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

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First, I would like to say,

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In my short time here, Director of Economic Development,

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I would reiterate the comments, all of Megan's work.

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It makes it great to be Director of Economic Development

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because transportation is huge.

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I am also grateful to introduce our new Assistant Director

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of Economic Development, Dianni Poe.

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Dianni brings over 15 years of experience

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in community and economic development.

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Most recently, she managed operations

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and risk management strategies for the RONOC regional airport commission.

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Prior to that, Danny was the economic development specialist for downtown RONOC.

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Danny is already a great addition to our team contributing her knowledge on the RONOC region,

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which is key for me and real estate. She's also a community leader,

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must notably serving as the chair of leadership,

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Bronex Ali, and she's also involved with the

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Ronex Buster's Club and Wastina Elementary PTA.

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I very much look forward to continuing to work with Danny to

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attract and retain business in Ronex, OK Ali.

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Danny, what would you like to say?

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Thank you.

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I really enjoyed my almost three two and a half weeks here.

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And I've enjoyed joining the team, Megan and Doug have been great in

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and I look forward to working with you as we get forward.

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I think I met Danny, I think it was last week.

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I think she had escaped from the HR and Dr. Nation.

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Was that a two day, is that a two day event that we go through now?

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And I think she's been here that long, and she already has dragged me into a leadership

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Rono Valley event tomorrow, so she's sitting the ground running.

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That's great.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Next slide, Monarch Indus.

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Item E1.

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New Business E1 is a resolution requesting the Commonwealth Transportation Board to fund a smart

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scale application for Interstate 81 southbound widening between exits 137 and exit 128

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to top of the Manchester Old District.

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It's grown nice.

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Thank you very much.

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Here we go again.

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Interstate 81 is critical to the economic vitality of the Commonwealth with highest per capita

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truck volume in the state carrying nearly 50% of the state's value of goods.

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Interstate 81 also experiences the highest degree of congestion and crash density in the

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state, and when these factors are combined, it result in the highest proportion of incident

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delay compared to all other Virginia interstates.

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Interstate 81 is the artery connecting the run of valley to the new river valley, and two

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Virginia tech.

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In addition to serving as a preferred route for commuters and travelers, the interstate provides

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a connection to place in and out of the run of Blacksburg Regional Airport to two Amtrak

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transit each day to Virginia Tech's,

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Blacksburg campus to the Virginia Tech

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Curilian School of Medicine and to Radford University

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Curilian.

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This heart-wave bus travels in her state 81

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daily to provide service between Bernard and Blacksburg,

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and the Virginia Breeze bus line also travels

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in her state 81 daily between Washington DC and Bristol,

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with stops at the exit 140 park and ride

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in the falling branch, parking riding Christiansburg.

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The segment of interstate southbound between

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exit 137 at Wildwood Road in exit 128 at Ibronto,

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is the only segment of the 32 mile long interstate

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and Christians working in Trapville that is not currently funded for lightning.

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While vitally important, this project was the first Interstate 81 corridor plan project

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to miss being funded through the original Interstate 81 project programming in 2020.

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The northbound segment between Exit 1-18 and Christiansburg and Exit 1-37 at Wildwood Road

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is currently in design.

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The crash history along the 7 mile long southbound segment of the Interstate is also significant.

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There have been 251 crashes since 2018 for an average of 50 crashes per year or about 1 crash per week and 5 deaths that have occurred in 4 crashes since February 2020

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When combined with already high traffic volumes, these frequent crashes gridlocked not only in the interstate 81 Southland but also around 1140 and of any other east west route in the region

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On December 6 2022 the Commonwealth Transportation Board voted to submit a smart scale application for this segment of interstate

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The Commonwealth Transportation Board understands that there are great efficiencies and cost

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savings in designing and widening both directions of interstate at the same time.

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Delaying widening of the Southbound segment for several years will only cause redesign,

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reconstruction, additional cost, and increased driver disruption when this project

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is eventually programmed.

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Rona County staff have been collaborating with E.D.

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Salem District staff to compile smart scale application components.

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If adopted, the proposed resolution of support will be submitted as part of the

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the other Smart Scale Rine Round 5 applications and Runa County did submit eight with the help

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of the Transportation Planning Organization.

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The town event in Montgomery County had passed resolutions of support for this project

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and the Runa Regional Chamber of Commerce has written a letter of support.

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Later this week, the Runa Valley Transportation Planning Organization and the Runa Valley

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Allegheny Regional Commission will consider resolutions of support.

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And next week, the City of Runa and Botatop County will consider resolutions of support.

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The City of Salem is also considering a letter or resolution of support for the project.

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There's no fiscal impact, as this SmartScale program provides 100% funding for selected

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projects and staff recommends approval of a resolution.

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I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

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Thank you.

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This is the great example of regional partnerships and relationships.

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In the span of four to five days, we contacted Tony Administrator from Saturday Morning.

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We talked Megan, Commonwealth Transportation, delegate Austin, V dot, reached out to the local governments to make them aware of this.

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And then was the first one to adopt the resolution, calling us just before six o'clock on December the six,

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As we drove through the fog of that evening, I think Mayan was worried about me driving

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through the fog and talking on the phone, which kind of scary, you know what I mean.

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But they said, what do we do?

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You pass the resolution.

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We haven't heard back from the member of the Commonwealth Transportation Board.

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They went ahead with the resolution and were the first ones to do so.

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and to a long litany of 1st prevent, that Mr. Peters always tells us about.

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But at the end of the day, we got a phone call moments later from the transportation

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representative, Dr. Rays Moon. This past 15 to nothing with one extension.

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And I encourage you, if you have more ready, to listen to the remarks that we made.

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And then wait towards the end of the meeting in the last seven minutes to hear the

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Secretary of Transportation, the Commissioner,

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Birch, and others speak of the support of this project.

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It was absolutely overwhelming.

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And I want to tell you, Megan, that it was teamwork

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that did this in more ways and more.

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And it just goes to show you what we can do

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when we all work together.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Any questions to the Miss Crimes?

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I don't have any questions, but I'm so appreciative

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of this effort, living in the Western side of Burnup County, we are impacted, frequently with

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the impacts of the interstate construction, and it's been over capacity for a really long

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time, so greatly appreciate this effort and thank you, Mayor. Mr. Bradford.

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Mr. Bradford.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to make a motion that will make a real quick comment, and you can hear the

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passion and Mr. Norse voice. He is so excited that we can, we can get these, this funding

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approved. If we didn't have somebody like him on board pushing this, who knows what would have

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happened. So I thank Mr. Norther for his enthusiasm, his passion. He really drives us for us

450
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:51,570
of transportation.

451
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:52,570
I'll drive the train.

452
00:42:57,130 --> 00:43:02,890
Anyway, I'd like one sort of minor point.

453
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:09,090
On the resolution under paragraph 2, we say that the clerk of the board will send a certified

454
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:12,470
copy of this resolution to Dr. Ray Smooth.

455
00:43:13,210 --> 00:43:19,230
And I was wondering, should that be modified or amended that we send a copy of this resolution

456
00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:26,410
to all the members of the Commonwealth Transportation Board, including race mode. Is that

457
00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:29,490
or feel you know a little bit more about this?

458
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:31,490
It's definitely comfortable with the transportation board.

459
00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:33,510
Should go to all the members and not just doctors.

460
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:34,930
We'll have to search for those members.

461
00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:37,010
I would recommend it.

462
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:40,230
I would recommend that that be followed up first with the phone call.

463
00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:44,170
Richard Knox moved to make sure that's in the program.

464
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:46,290
That's the appropriate manner to do it.

465
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,430
I don't know that we've done it before, but we certainly can't consider it.

466
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:54,150
I'd just like to weigh in with the doctor to give his endorsement of that protocol.

467
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:55,890
Mr. Raff.

468
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:57,390
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

469
00:43:57,870 --> 00:44:07,410
I'd like to make a motion to approve the resolution requesting the Commonwealth Transportation Board Fund's Smart Scale Application for Interstate 81.

470
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:13,150
Southbound Lodding between exit 137 and exit 128.

471
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:15,770
We have a motion, do we have a second?

472
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:16,430
Second.

473
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:18,130
No, of course.

474
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:18,910
Mr. Pader.

475
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:19,610
Yes.

476
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:21,390
Mr. Soko? Yes. Mr. Nor?

477
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:21,890
Yes.

478
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:23,310
Mr. Bradford? Yes.

479
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:24,010
Mr. Mohamedi.

480
00:44:26,810 --> 00:44:35,390
Next item item 2 is request to approve the strategic target outcome areas into endorse the strategic planning

481
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:36,650
work plan.

482
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:37,990
That's what happens.

483
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,100
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.

484
00:44:59,100 --> 00:44:59,980
and members of the book.

485
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,380
I am here today to ask for your approval of the strategic target outcome areas and for your endorsement of the three-year work plan for Rona County.

486
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:25,750
Just as a brief history, in May of this year, the board met for a two-day strategic planning retreat to discuss the current landscape of Ronaoke and work together to envision the future for the county.

487
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:31,170
Following these days, seven strategic outcome areas emerged.

488
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:37,370
For each of these strategic outcome areas, the board also developed a vision statement,

489
00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:43,050
which describes the outcomes of successfully accomplishing each of these target areas.

490
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:50,530
Continuing the work of the board, staff met to discuss ways to implement the vision of the board.

491
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:59,470
Staff worked throughout the summer and into this fall to create a detailed work plan for each of these target outcomes.

492
00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:03,990
This plan was shared with the board at a September work session.

493
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:11,110
During that September work session, staff reviewed the three-year work plan and received feedback.

494
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:16,130
Following the work session, revisions were made based on that feedback.

495
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:23,670
As we look through the PowerPoint, the seven strategic target outcome areas are displayed on the board.

496
00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:27,550
We will go a little more into detail in the next few slides.

497
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:32,590
Economic development, Rowano County is open for business.

498
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:37,770
We proactively work with prospects and partners to seek new business.

499
00:46:37,770 --> 00:46:46,050
Our prime locations assist in the expansion of existing businesses in the attraction of new industries.

500
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:54,090
Our prime locations cope to collaborate in foster connectivity to the world.

501
00:46:54,970 --> 00:47:02,330
We offer and continue to expand a skilled workforce to meet the changing needs of businesses and industries.

502
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:09,510
our county's strong financial stability and enable us to partner with businesses to

503
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:13,170
assist them in expansion or locating to Rona.

504
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:18,950
Community development Rona County

505
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:24,970
is a well-planned and vibrant community. Our innovative strategies develop communities

506
00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:32,350
that offer housing and services to all of our citizens. We facilitate growth by reducing

507
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:39,810
barriers to development and redevelopment, and by adhering to standards that protect our resources

508
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:47,070
for future generations. We seek opportunities to responsibly develop our undeveloped

509
00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:53,430
land through zoning enhancements, reduce regulation, and infrastructure expansion.

510
00:47:56,180 --> 00:48:01,420
Outdoor recreation, Rowano County is a scenic community in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

511
00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:05,600
It is a premier national destination for outdoor recreation.

512
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,480
We have an accessible connected system of local, regional, and national parks.

513
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:23,720
Our innovative programs ensure that we meet the needs in the interests within the changing landscape of recreational trends and a desire for healthy lifestyle.

514
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:32,140
We offer a robust community park system that provides a variety of amenities for all ages and all abilities.

515
00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:38,200
As we look at the education slide, you will note there is red font.

516
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:44,780
This is to show the incorporated change based on the discussions ahead of the September work session.

517
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:51,200
Education, Rowano County Schools are nationally recognized and accredited.

518
00:48:51,840 --> 00:49:01,500
We have an excellent and efficient school system that develops K through 12 education, preparing students to excel at the collegiate level.

519
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,880
And thrive in our local workforce.

520
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:14,180
Rowano County Economic Development and Rowano County Public Schools will partner with local businesses and industries to train students.

521
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:19,500
thus ensuring alignment with current and future workforce needs.

522
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:28,860
Our educational facilities provide efficiently scaled, safe, and technologically advanced learning environments.

523
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:39,780
We recognize that changes in demographics and other educational options require public education to adapt with innovative approaches.

524
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:42,460
Housing.

525
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:45,120
Rowano County is a great place to live.

526
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,700
We have well-planned, appropriately placed housing

527
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:51,540
that meets the needs of our changing demographics.

528
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,140
We have neighborhoods with a wide variety of densities,

529
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,200
styles, amenities, and price plants.

530
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,560
In order to provide diverse housing options

531
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,740
for our growing workforce, we provide robust housing choices

532
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:14,700
that meet the needs of our residents of all income levels, life stages and abilities.

533
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:22,540
Our denser neighborhoods are interconnected and are served by a wide variety of public and

534
00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:27,020
private conveniences that contribute to a high quality of life.

535
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:33,590
Public safety, Rowano County is a safe community.

536
00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:40,330
We recruit and we retain dedicated and compassionate public safety employees who are prepared

537
00:50:40,330 --> 00:50:47,730
to respond to a myriad of public safety issues that may arise. We support our local law enforcement

538
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:53,630
professionals in their work to protect the lives and the properties of the citizens of

539
00:50:53,630 --> 00:51:02,310
Rona. And lastly, organizational effectiveness. Rona County is the important choice in the

540
00:51:02,310 --> 00:51:09,290
Rona region. We are financially strong, trusted by our citizens and regional partners and

541
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:14,930
Innovate it in our approach to our work, as we continually evaluate our organizational

542
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:17,970
structure, our staffing, and our programs.

543
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:25,390
We are widely recognized across the region, state, and nationally for our business practices.

544
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:32,250
Our citizens are well informed and understand our decisions and the issues facing the

545
00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:32,450
county.

546
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:41,840
As we look at our next steps, staff is working towards developing a system to track and to

547
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,600
report the progress of these plans to the board.

548
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,340
We plan to re-valuate this three-year work plan as necessary.

549
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,340
At this time, staff recommends a approval of the Rowano County strategic target outcome areas

550
00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,560
and endorsement of the three-year work plan.

551
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,520
I would be happy to take any questions.

552
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:05,640
Any questions?

553
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,140
Thank you.

554
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,940
Thank you for that presentation.

555
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,900
Are you going to consider looking at laying this out in a linear format like a gap

556
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:25,120
chart so we can see the movement of all parts and pieces that we thought about that?

557
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,120
We have had brief discussions on ways to track.

558
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:33,600
At the moment, we have not settled on one particular outcome.

559
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:36,140
Since there are so many areas that we are working through,

560
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:41,520
So we are going to work on something that's visually aesthetically pleasing and that will track

561
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,580
timing was.

562
00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:43,600
Yes, sir.

563
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Thank you.

564
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:55,300
Mr. Chair, comment, it would be in industry there's a morning report that you can click

565
00:52:55,300 --> 00:53:01,380
on and it shows the updates as it moves through time and it's nothing that we can change just

566
00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:08,800
So, you might consider putting something on the web page that can be shared and be transparent.

567
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:12,940
So, not only we can check it, but you know, citizens can check it too.

568
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,380
Instead it's something not confidential, of course, that would negotiate.

569
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:24,460
But that would be a modern way of doing that, and you can incorporate the GAN charts or whatever you choose to do,

570
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,340
or whatever software package, project manager, package, anything that you might want.

571
00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:32,640
But it would give you a high level by each category

572
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,060
what's going on in the three times.

573
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,000
So it might be some software package

574
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,940
you can purchase and do that with.

575
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,760
Yes, sir.

576
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:41,940
Good job.

577
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,280
Thank you.

578
00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:45,060
Just a quick note, Madeline.

579
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:48,740
But this really, I think, encapsulated our discussions

580
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,560
and our desires for going forward.

581
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:55,040
Thank you for your work on this, thank you.

582
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,680
And all of staff, I know this was a huge effort.

583
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:58,700
Thank you.

584
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,100
We're reading this over the weekend. It truly is a lot of work.

585
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:16,980
I had to go back and revisit what we did back in the spring and then what we had to work session in September.

586
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:24,000
Or, I guess, the one aspect that jumped out of me is it looks like we're hiring, we're

587
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,920
going to be hiring an awful lot of consultants.

588
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,160
And I guess that's the one aspect that worries me is that the one impact that has on

589
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,080
the operational budget, because it's seen like in any of those categories, we're looking

590
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,540
at hiring a consultant for a variety of these different initiatives.

591
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:49,760
And I know we have a fairly narrow and tight staff.

592
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,240
We don't have a lot of 15 years.

593
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,920
So I don't know how we would accomplish all of these strategic goals.

594
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,400
But at the same time, I guess I worry about firing consultants.

595
00:55:03,460 --> 00:55:04,640
What's the old joke?

596
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,900
You hire a consultant to come in with a briefcase, and a watch,

597
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:10,840
and the consultant tells you what time it is.

598
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,520
It could solve the brain, only the brain, it could solve the brain as a build of the data.

599
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:17,540
And any event?

600
00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:24,240
With that, I would ask for emotion to approve the staff recommendations for this item.

601
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:24,900
Those are two.

602
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,100
We have a second.

603
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,660
Second.

604
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:27,900
Encore.

605
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:29,240
Dispaders?

606
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:30,020
Yes.

607
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:31,200
This is hook or yes.

608
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,200
There's no more.

609
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:32,800
Yes.

610
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:33,620
Mr. Randford.

611
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:34,240
Yes.

612
00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:35,020
Yes.

613
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:36,280
Thank you, Anna.

614
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,880
Item 3 is presentation of the year-end financial result results for June 30, 2022.

615
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:49,040
We have the acceptance of the audit report and allocation of year-end revenues, Jessica

616
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Beamer, the Assistant Director of Finance and Management Services, and together Mr.

617
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,880
John Aldridge, from partner Brown Edwards.

618
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,660
Good afternoon, Chairman and members of the board.

619
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,980
I would first like to introduce John Aldridge, who is partner at Brown Edwards and

620
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:05,340
company.

621
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:11,520
He's here to provide you with a brief update of our fiscal year 2022 external audit result.

622
00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:14,660
Thank you.

623
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,940
Thank you all for having us.

624
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:21,260
About 28 plus years with the firm, this is the shortest meeting I've ever got to come to,

625
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:23,420
because our office is right across the street now.

626
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,040
So this is nice.

627
00:56:25,740 --> 00:56:29,560
So it actually kind of dodge cars and walk across the road to come here today,

628
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:31,640
but it's good to be in the neighborhood.

629
00:56:32,540 --> 00:56:35,080
As you know, each year you all had to have an audit.

630
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,800
And that is required by state code.

631
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,180
And as part of that audit, this also includes the school board and economic development

632
00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:43,760
of authority.

633
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:50,020
This process begins all the way back in April, and we start planning it and meeting with

634
00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:55,180
your staff and start looking at things at that point in time, and it progresses all through

635
00:56:55,180 --> 00:57:00,520
the summer until finally, there's a meeting with the audit committee and you go over the details

636
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,040
of the audit, and that meeting is already taking place, and then finally the last thing

637
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,740
do is put the bow on the audit, and that's what I'm here for today to put the bow on it.

638
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:16,060
So at the end, your audit was issued and you got an unmodified opinion, okay.

639
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:20,520
That's the highest level of assurance we will put on a financial report, so it's a clean

640
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:20,920
opinion.

641
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:24,300
So you all got a clean opinion on the financial report.

642
00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:29,440
Everything was done and completed and signed off on on December 1st.

643
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,720
It's not due with the commonwealth until December 15th, so you guys were two weeks ahead

644
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:40,540
time on that with the filing. And what I will mention to you and you all know this, your

645
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:47,080
finance department has worked very hard, okay? Oftentimes short steps. And they were able

646
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,180
to pull this together, provide us with a document to audit, and again, get this done

647
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:57,000
on top. So I wanted to just make sure I committed them for that. A couple other things

648
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,060
I will mention to you all, as part of the audit, we have to task compliance with federal

649
00:58:02,060 --> 00:58:08,440
money that comes through the county. You all had approximately 33 million dollars of federal expenditures

650
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:14,080
this year. Okay, we have to test to percentage of that. I'm pleased to let you know and doing

651
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,880
those tests with compliance with the federal rules. There were no findings at all. So no instances

652
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:25,780
were federal dollars were spent inappropriately on the programs. We looked at things like that. So once

653
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:31,760
again, you got an unmodified opinion on the federal expenditures. And then lastly, we have to look

654
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,800
at the state compliance requirements, and anybody that's looked at the state code and state

655
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,580
guide, it's pages upon pages of things we have to look at and compliance. And again, there

656
00:58:43,580 --> 00:58:48,840
I'm pleased to let you know there were no findings at all as far as that goes. And then the

657
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:54,320
last item I'll mention to you that I like to look at for governments is look at your fund balance,

658
00:58:54,900 --> 00:59:00,760
in particular in the general fund, because that's the operating fund of the county. And what I did

659
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,100
It was just kind of go back over the last 10 years

660
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:04,320
and look at fun balance.

661
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,540
And if you go through that exercise,

662
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,280
what you will find is, you all had been steady right

663
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,420
at about one and a half to 1.4 months

664
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:16,260
of reserve sitting in on a sign fun balance.

665
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,420
The reason I tell you that is,

666
00:59:18,740 --> 00:59:21,100
you're just showing a model of consistency,

667
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,220
even though the economy might do this,

668
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:24,680
you all have been steady.

669
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,380
You've made the right choices when it comes to expenditures.

670
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:30,300
When you needed to cut things back, you have,

671
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:36,160
But again, it's very steady as an auditor, we like to see that, you know, I don't like the fluctuations.

672
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,500
So you guys have done a very good job of keeping things steady and keeping that fun balance for you to have.

673
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:48,420
So with that being said, I'm happy to answer any questions about the process or anything you'll want to have.

674
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,200
I guess I'd turn initially to our audit committee, Mr. Peters and Mr. North.

675
00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:55,460
Any questions?

676
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,580
There are questions, but I think I don't speak far from both of us that.

677
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:12,460
And he said it, our finance department does a fabulous job, and this just shows us once again what the people we have in the third floor who take the carabers.

678
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,460
It keeps us in line.

679
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,040
And they've been so kind to give us a little light reading.

680
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:26,360
It's a good story, too. Just to ask one question, don't without getting into specifics.

681
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:36,820
We compare pretty strongly against anyone else in the state or we're, you know, we're in the top 10% or even comment on that.

682
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:48,820
I mean, I'm hearing good vibes there and I'm assuming we're probably, we don't have this flexibility up and down compared to other localities in the commonwealth, county wise.

683
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,900
Are we pretty pretty strong?

684
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:57,520
you're very conservatively managed. I'll tell you that. I've got some clients where that number

685
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:02,800
where I told you your months and fun balance of 1.24, they're considerably less than that.

686
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:08,160
I've got other clients that are much higher. And there's really no magic number. What I will tell you

687
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,440
is if you're a locality, the size of run accounting, and you know you've got a diverse tax space.

688
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,120
So it's not like all your tax revenues coming in from one business. You know, if you were a small

689
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:32,020
You had one factory, then you probably need two years of reserve sitting there in case they do layoffs or not, but being your size and having all these different taxpayers and consistency, I think you all are doing a good job.

690
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,120
Thank you.

691
01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:34,960
Thank you.

692
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:44,580
With that, I would ask for a motion to accept the report and also to re-allocate the funds.

693
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,180
Make a motion to approve.

694
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:47,300
Yes.

695
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:48,760
That court.

696
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:49,820
Mr. Peters.

697
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:50,620
Yes.

698
01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:52,560
Mr. McCown.

699
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:52,860
Yes.

700
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,260
Mr. Radford.

701
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,380
Mr. McCown.

702
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:55,860
Yes.

703
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:56,500
Thank you.

704
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:57,900
Thank you.

705
01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:58,300
I

706
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:08,920
mean, for as a resolution directing the county attorney file a petition for no special election

707
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,460
upon the retirement of Stephen Amigra as the run-up county circuit court clerk.

708
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:19,240
And that Ronda D. Prado be vested with the powers and duties of such office for the remainder of the

709
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,040
expired term of office. Mr. Lubak and Mr. McGraw.

710
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:23,740
I have to.

711
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,540
You go for it.

712
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:28,840
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

713
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,780
At first, it is my pleasure to recognize and welcome Mr. McGraw and

714
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:34,520
this Purdue who are here with us today.

715
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,140
And as you know, Mr. McGraw is a former member of this board in a long time

716
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:44,000
servant to Rona County. He has served as the clerk of the Rona County

717
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,500
circuit court for many years.

718
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:57,840
Most recently, he was elected by the citizens of Rono County to service the Clark record for a term commencing January 1st, 2016, and ending December of 2023.

719
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:07,100
Mr. McGraw has recently submitted his notice to retire, effective on February 1st, 2023, and we congratulate him.

720
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:20,640
Section 24.2, 228.1B of the Code of Virginia, provides that census vacancy, which is occurring within the 12 months immediately preceding the end of Mr. and Ross terms.

721
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:33,680
The governing body, the board, may petition the circuit court to request that no special election be ordered and the court by code will grant such a request.

722
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:42,620
So it is proposed at the Board at Dr. Resolution, directing the county attorney to file a petition, requesting that no special election be ordered.

723
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:51,100
And that pursuant to the Court of Virginia, Ronda D. Perdue, the highest ranking deputy officer from the Court of Court,

724
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:58,480
be vested with the powers and perform all of the duties of this office for the remainder of the unexpired term.

725
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,220
And, therefore, the election to fill the vacancy would be held at the general election

726
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:08,540
of which is would be scheduled for November 7th of 2023.

727
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,020
I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

728
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:16,140
Do we have any questions in this resolution lecture so we allow Mr. Dorado to speak?

729
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,520
Thank you, Dr. Rowling.

730
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:21,220
Thank you.

731
01:04:21,260 --> 01:04:21,880
Mr. McGraw.

732
01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:23,240
Flor is here.

733
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,360
Thank you.

734
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:26,180
Ms. Perdue, would you want to come up enough?

735
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:27,100
Yes she does.

736
01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:34,810
Mr. Chairman, members of Board Staff, thank you so much for this opportunity.

737
01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:36,530
I'll stay within my three minutes.

738
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:43,510
In May of 1985 at age 34, I was serving the first to two stances Chairman of this board

739
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:46,550
when we suddenly found ourselves without a county administrator.

740
01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:52,610
Fortunately, a year earlier, we had hired a way from a government county, a young lawyer

741
01:04:52,610 --> 01:04:54,170
as our county attorney.

742
01:04:54,170 --> 01:05:00,770
So, for the next six months, Paul Mahoney spent untold hours serving as both attorney and

743
01:05:00,770 --> 01:05:05,630
administrator for Ronald County from that time forward, Paul can do no wrong.

744
01:05:07,330 --> 01:05:11,610
In January of 1992, I became Ronald County Circuit Court Clerk in soon realized

745
01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:15,390
that halfway through the budget year that I had inherited it.

746
01:05:15,390 --> 01:05:17,230
It was short $60,000.

747
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:20,130
I requested those funds from this board.

748
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:25,330
they were granted without contests and that never happened, again, I can assure you, though

749
01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:26,670
the next 31 years.

750
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:31,850
In fact, we've proud ourselves annually in producing more revenue than is required to operate

751
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:33,010
our office.

752
01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:39,050
Then in September of 2005, we learned that an additional circuit court judge had then added to

753
01:05:39,050 --> 01:05:44,330
our 23rd judicial circuit, and that we needed another deputy clerk in our office's criminal

754
01:05:44,330 --> 01:05:44,910
division.

755
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:54,990
Once again, this board, granted us the additional position without hesitation, and for the past 17 years we have had no further staff increases.

756
01:05:55,990 --> 01:06:03,270
Which brings us up to today, my retirement on February 1st, and my recommendation that this board authorized the appointment,

757
01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:09,210
achieved Deputy Clerk Rhonda Perdue, to finish out the final 11 months of this my fourth term of office.

758
01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:19,370
Ronda has been employed in our office for 26 years, and most of our accomplishments, I can assure you she was involved with very instrumental in our office.

759
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:26,050
There's no one better suited nor more qualified for this position than Ronda predicted.

760
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:29,370
Thank you for your time words.

761
01:06:31,050 --> 01:06:42,470
I've been with the county for 26 years and I've enjoyed it from day one and I look forward to finishing out in this capacity and looking forward to everyone.

762
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:44,130
Thank you.

763
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:45,850
Any questions?

764
01:06:46,550 --> 01:06:47,750
Mr. Bernard, Mr. Curtis.

765
01:06:48,810 --> 01:06:54,030
I have to put that on my economic development disclosure form.

766
01:06:55,070 --> 01:06:55,750
Thank you.

767
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:00,110
Thank you.

768
01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:07,970
I've worked with Steve, obviously, as he said for many years, he was on the board when I was

769
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:10,570
hired as County Attorney in 1984.

770
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:19,010
We went through some difficult issues with the County Administrator vacancy.

771
01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:23,950
There happened to be a thing called the Flood, if I recall in November of 85.

772
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:34,910
that was somewhat exciting, and I want to say that when I was county administrator, I was

773
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:39,190
just scrambling and we had some really good people in our fire and rescue department,

774
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:45,690
really good volunteers. Steve came out, I remember, gee, Steve, you went to what Walmart

775
01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:50,730
and bought a whole bunch of blankets on a emergency basis so that we had a lot of people who were

776
01:07:50,730 --> 01:08:00,210
shelters. So, Stephen, I go back a long time. I wish you well in your retirement. I've

777
01:08:00,210 --> 01:08:06,670
known Ronda for many years in the Eclipse office. I've always been very helpful, so thank

778
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:13,130
you for your service. Do we have a motion to approve the resolution so that our county attorney

779
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:19,210
can file the appropriate paperwork and make the judges happy? Motion to approve, but I'd like

780
01:08:19,210 --> 01:08:23,490
make just one quick comment. And that is, see, thank you for all your years of service.

781
01:08:24,310 --> 01:08:29,210
We've, uh, genuinely appreciate all you've done for Rotter County and, uh, have been faithful

782
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:30,870
in that service and run to welcome.

783
01:08:32,610 --> 01:08:36,850
Just a comment as well. Thank you, Steve, for welcome me on the board five years ago.

784
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:43,970
Um, you know, doing lunch one day in town and visiting in your office. It's, uh, the office

785
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:47,930
over there's very well organized and, you know, you'll be missed personally, but I believe

786
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:53,110
They were well-known machines, so I'm going to go on without you, and best of wishes to

787
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:54,010
a great retirement.

788
01:08:56,980 --> 01:08:57,280
Second.

789
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:58,940
Thank you.

790
01:08:59,420 --> 01:08:59,760
The motion.

791
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:00,640
Let me in.

792
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:01,620
That'll start.

793
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,260
Mr. Peters.

794
01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:03,980
Yes.

795
01:09:03,980 --> 01:09:04,500
Mr. Zucker?

796
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:04,940
Yes.

797
01:09:05,060 --> 01:09:05,800
Mr. North?

798
01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:06,300
Yes.

799
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:07,300
Mr. Bradford?

800
01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:07,720
Yes.

801
01:09:07,900 --> 01:09:08,260
Yes.

802
01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:09,660
Thank you.

803
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:17,860
Item E5.

804
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,240
This is a resolution of proving a memorandum of understanding between the

805
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:27,880
County Board of Supervisors and Runup County School Board regarding joint capital funding.

806
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,220
Is it a blueback to this all?

807
01:09:31,460 --> 01:09:32,360
Thank you.

808
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:32,700
Thank you.

809
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:33,700
Good afternoon again.

810
01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:35,460
Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

811
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:42,020
And as the Board is well aware, this memorandum of understanding was presented to the school board

812
01:09:42,020 --> 01:09:46,480
at your recent meeting on December 7 following the state of the county address.

813
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:53,460
And the purpose of the memorandum of understanding was to update the policy for the financing of necessary

814
01:09:53,460 --> 01:10:02,500
County and school capital projects and a fiscal responsible manner and to thereby avoid unnecessary budgetary conflict.

815
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:11,320
And for our public who will be viewing this for the first time, it would be helpful and I believe to review some of the background

816
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:20,640
is to how we got here. Between 1997 and 2001, the Board of Supervisors appropriated funds to the

817
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:28,080
school board for what was then phase one of the school capital improvement program, totaling

818
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:38,220
$47.7 million between 2001 and 2004, the Board of Supervisors funded phase two of the school

819
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:41,460
CIP at a total cost of $23 million.

820
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:48,000
Because of this, the large capital amount of school capital needs,

821
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,060
the county needs were largely put on hold.

822
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,160
But in 2004, the county committed to building much needed,

823
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,460
public safety building, to house police, fire, dispatch,

824
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,800
and information technology services at a cost of $28 million.

825
01:11:05,340 --> 01:11:07,100
That brings us to 2005.

826
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:13,460
In 2005, the county's budgetary funding for debt payments within the county's current tax

827
01:11:13,460 --> 01:11:19,160
and structure were depleted. However, many capital needs remained for both the schools

828
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:24,840
and the general county government. Because the ability to fund the needed future capital

829
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:30,320
projects was uncertain, the Board of Supervisors and the School Board worked together. They

830
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:36,600
worked collaboratively on a long range financial plan that would enable both boards to plan

831
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,160
and fund future capital needs.

832
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,380
Accordingly, the Board of Supervisors adopted a policy, which established a variety of reserve

833
01:11:45,380 --> 01:11:51,440
policies and funds, and a combined debt payment reserve fund.

834
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:57,900
For today's purposes, I will highlight only that single fund, the combined debt payment reserve

835
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:58,560
fund.

836
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:05,120
It is important to note that the policy pertaining to this combined debt payment reserve fund,

837
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:10,200
included first a contribution schedule that was used to fund debt service.

838
01:12:10,900 --> 01:12:16,820
The boards each committed to annually adding an additional $300,000 to the fund.

839
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:26,880
For example, in the 2005-2006 budget, the boards jointly contributed an additional $600,000

840
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:35,540
to the fund. And 20, 2006 to 7 budget, the boards joined the contributed in additional 1,200,000

841
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:43,140
to the fund, etc. Additionally, the policy pertaining to this combined debt payment reserve fund

842
01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:49,420
also set forth a borrowing schedule for the acquisition of new debt as these prior debts were

843
01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:56,440
paid off. After the first several years, a three-year cycle of borrowing was established, which

844
01:12:56,440 --> 01:13:02,400
authorized the acquisition of new debt and an amount not to exceed $10 million each year.

845
01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:09,620
For two consecutive years of each three-year cycle, the funds, $20 million, were devoted

846
01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:15,580
to school capital needs, and the third year, the funds, $10 million, were devoted to

847
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:17,580
general county capital needs.

848
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:25,300
As Paul's who was updated in fiscal year 2021, and again in 2023, to increase the borrowing

849
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:30,180
amount to $12 million and subsequently to $17 million.

850
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:36,760
Further, incremental annual debt service contributions, as required, were included in the

851
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,620
annual budgets for both boards.

852
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:45,120
As we suddenly shared by a letter from the school board on November 10th of 2022, the board

853
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,500
has designated three capital projects that merit-timely attention.

854
01:13:49,500 --> 01:14:00,140
First, the construction of a new career and technology center, which we have been discussing extensively and referred to as a CTE facility.

855
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:08,480
Second, and third, are the renovation of Glencove and WAE Country Elementary Schools.

856
01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:17,960
These schools were built with an open concept design and teachers have found it very challenging to teach the students effectively in such environments.

857
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:24,240
The School Board has requested clarification from the Board of Supervisors, regarding a time frame

858
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:29,720
in which all three of these projects can be completed, and is noted previously the purpose

859
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:37,060
of this memorandum, which is before you today, is to adopt some updates to the Board

860
01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:43,440
of Supervisors' joint capital funding plan in order to provide additional funds to the School

861
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:49,440
board, and to also reconfirm that while the Board of Supervisors will continue providing funds

862
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:54,520
to the school board in a fiscally responsible manner, the school board was prioritized

863
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,960
the timing of its capital projects and going forward will not ask the Board of Supervisors

864
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:05,490
To deviate from responsible financial practices in order to address capital needs.

865
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:18,230
So, at this point in time, I will review seven provisions of the memorandum that update the combined debt payment reserve fund policy, which I have outlined a moment ago.

866
01:15:18,230 --> 01:15:31,370
So first out of the seven, the annual allowed borrowing amount is $17,000,000,000 per year in fiscal year's 2024 and fiscal year 2026.

867
01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:37,330
This bond issuance may be banked if so desired and saved for a future year.

868
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:46,910
However, in fiscal year 2025, the schools would be authorized a one-time borrowing amount of up to $80 million.

869
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:55,570
Third, beginning in fiscal year 2027, an increase in the annual barring amount will be authorized

870
01:15:55,570 --> 01:15:57,610
up to $20 million.

871
01:15:58,950 --> 01:16:04,950
Fourth, the school board agrees that it will continue to annually contribute $1.8 million

872
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:11,110
to the combined debt payment reserve fund once the 2009 Virginia Public School Authority

873
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:14,730
or VPSA bonds are paid off.

874
01:16:15,310 --> 01:16:21,310
Fifth, the Board of Supervisors agrees that it will continue to annually contribute $1.2 million

875
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:27,990
to the combined debt payment reserve fund once the 2008 lease revenue bonds are paid off.

876
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:34,990
Six, both boards will budget for and include in their annual budget and amount required

877
01:16:34,990 --> 01:16:37,970
to maintain the future capital projects fund.

878
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:42,910
In other words, the whole of positive cash balance while planning for future debt service

879
01:16:42,910 --> 01:16:43,750
per payments.

880
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:54,330
This amount is estimated to be $300,000 in fiscal years, $24,525,000 in fiscal year, $25,000

881
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:56,430
and thereafter for each board.

882
01:16:57,330 --> 01:17:02,510
And that seventh, both boards confirm their commitment to continue the incremental increases

883
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:08,510
and the future capital projects fund, even in future economic downturns.

884
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:14,330
There are several other provisions, and I will highlight several of these other provisions as well.

885
01:17:15,490 --> 01:17:21,370
The county will provide up to up to $2 million from fiscal year 2022 year on funds

886
01:17:21,370 --> 01:17:26,670
towards the elimination of the open-class from concept and Glen Coe,

887
01:17:26,670 --> 01:17:29,210
and W e-cuntive elementary schools.

888
01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:33,730
Second, a bond for the proposed CTE facility

889
01:17:33,730 --> 01:17:36,090
will be issued and financed for up to 30 years

890
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:38,210
with a traditional financing vehicle

891
01:17:38,210 --> 01:17:41,710
and bond structure, which would be determined in the future.

892
01:17:42,850 --> 01:17:44,970
Third, the school board would agree that it would

893
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:48,090
diligently apply for all potential state and federal grants

894
01:17:48,090 --> 01:17:51,230
that may become available for school capital projects.

895
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:54,850
Fourth, in the process of designating,

896
01:17:54,850 --> 01:18:01,570
designing the proposed new CTE facility, the school board will retain an independent energy

897
01:18:01,570 --> 01:18:06,690
consultant to share recommendations on the benefits of incorporating solar energy technologies.

898
01:18:07,410 --> 01:18:12,850
And this is consistent with the recommendation of the CTE committee which has recently completed

899
01:18:12,850 --> 01:18:18,450
its work and made recommendations to both boards. Additionally, the school board is encouraged

900
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:24,150
to reevaluate the size and scope of the CTE facility to ensure it is meeting the needs of

901
01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:25,390
in Oak Area businesses.

902
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:29,110
Next to the school board agrees that it would participate

903
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:34,210
in a county funded, county managed, demographic study,

904
01:18:34,730 --> 01:18:37,070
to analyze a wide variety of demographic trends

905
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:40,450
within the county to include future school enrollment

906
01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:41,150
projections.

907
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:43,830
Data from this effort would be utilized

908
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:46,150
in the planning of future capital projects

909
01:18:46,150 --> 01:18:47,490
through both boards.

910
01:18:50,150 --> 01:18:53,410
And lastly, I would emphasize that the final provision

911
01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:58,170
of the memorandum, is that the timing and priority of the school board's capital projects

912
01:18:58,170 --> 01:19:00,630
would be left to the discretion of the school board.

913
01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:06,730
In the school board would agree to address such capital needs and accordance with this updated

914
01:19:06,730 --> 01:19:15,050
debt payment reserve fund policy. So it is proposed today that the board authorized Chairman Mahoney

915
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:23,130
and Mr. Kay Wood to sign this memorandum of understanding on behalf of the board, and it is

916
01:19:23,130 --> 01:19:28,770
hoped and desired that the school board would take a similar action at their future convenience.

917
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:30,990
I would be happy to answer any questions.

918
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:35,930
And if I cannot answer them, Ms. Owens is here, and I am sure that she can answer your questions.

919
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:42,270
Let me add to Mr. Lubick's presentation,

920
01:19:43,390 --> 01:19:47,150
because things have been moving over the past week.

921
01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:53,270
I've had the opportunity to have several conversations with Chairman of the School Board, David

922
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:59,970
Lyndon, and Mr. Lyndon is in the audience this afternoon. Mr. Lyndon has indicated

923
01:19:59,970 --> 01:20:05,210
to me that the school board is not able to make any representations or presentations to

924
01:20:05,210 --> 01:20:10,630
us because they have not yet had a formal meeting and they have not been able to discuss the

925
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:18,150
proposed M.O.U. in a regular school board meeting, I believe the school board is scheduled

926
01:20:18,150 --> 01:20:19,810
to meet Thursday,

927
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:28,210
but he did indicate to me that he had an opportunity to transmit the draft

928
01:20:28,210 --> 01:20:33,950
memorandum of understanding to the attorney for the school board, Stacey Haney, excellent

929
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:34,430
attorney.

930
01:20:36,730 --> 01:20:43,190
Mr. Lyndon has reported to me that she has recommended or suggested a minor

931
01:20:43,190 --> 01:20:49,550
modification or change to, and I suggest to the board if you look at the last page

932
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:57,530
of the memorandum of understanding, and it is at page 92 of our agenda. It's at subsection,

933
01:20:57,530 --> 01:21:00,290
That's Roman numeral for a subsection.

934
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:01,130
Aft,

935
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:11,880
this section talks about how the President Board of Supervisors cannot bind the actions

936
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:20,320
of a future board, and the recommendation or suggestion from Mr. Lyndon and Council for

937
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:25,220
the School Board is that sentence be expanded to also include the school board.

938
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:34,220
So that a current or a present board of supervisors or a current and present school board can't find a future school board.

939
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:40,240
And I think that David is that essentially what we spoke about earlier today.

940
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:46,260
And so if the pleasure of the board, if you'd be comfortable with amending subsection,

941
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:50,020
have, and I have to move back to also handle that.

942
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,840
Again, I think there's an opportunity that we may hear some additional recommendations or

943
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:03,720
suggestions from the school board after they're meeting this Thursday, but I would also

944
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:10,680
suggest, unless the board has any additional questions in Mr. Lubak, I would move the adoption

945
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:18,000
of the resolution and authorizing Mr. Kay Wood and I to execute this MOU and to forward it to

946
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,680
to the school board.

947
01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:19,120
Thank you.

948
01:22:19,940 --> 01:22:21,200
Is it too late to answer that?

949
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,180
Oh, I'm sorry.

950
01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:22,940
I cut you off.

951
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:23,440
Go ahead.

952
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:30,880
Just a quick question with the clarification of including the school board also that the future

953
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,760
boards cannot be bound to this agreement.

954
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:41,820
But my question comes in with the ongoing escalation of amounts of debt that we are taking

955
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:48,920
on and the plan for the repayment, would that be a question if we made this amendment?

956
01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:51,760
That's my only question regarding the whole.

957
01:22:52,940 --> 01:22:53,340
I don't know.

958
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:53,480
I don't know.

959
01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:54,880
I don't know.

960
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:55,440
I don't know.

961
01:22:56,660 --> 01:22:59,560
I don't know.

962
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,720
I don't know.

963
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:10,240
towards as of today and the amounts that we know where they are and I believe that those

964
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,920
amounts where it would not change, it's just simply a principle of law that this board

965
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,460
or the school board cannot bind a future of what's it's actions.

966
01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:29,380
Just to have a public, the sucker was to chair, this sum of this language will be embedded

967
01:23:29,380 --> 01:23:35,300
in the Rono County Financial Policy in January sometime whenever we have been that usually

968
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:36,160
on a yearly basis.

969
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:37,000
Is that correct?

970
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:38,140
Is that correct?

971
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:38,860
Yes.

972
01:23:41,780 --> 01:23:47,300
Mr. Chairman, if I could offer just a brief comment, the supervisor of our first question,

973
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:52,600
if I understood what she was asking Peter could speak to this as well, while the MOU

974
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:58,120
does not find future boards the issuance of debt does, because that is a contractual obligation

975
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:04,360
when we issue debt, so future plans for debt that we might issue in the future wouldn't be binding.

976
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:11,760
But the payments that we have to make on debt that we've issued in the past is binding on us as a county,

977
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,140
because we pull down that note.

978
01:24:14,780 --> 01:24:14,940
Thank you.

979
01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:18,140
Well, again, I think this is our statement of intent.

980
01:24:18,140 --> 01:24:31,620
But I would pace it to add that as a school board goes forward through 2023 with whether it's

981
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:36,200
design, whether it's build, whether it's a design build, construction, contract, whatever.

982
01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:42,700
At some point in time, maybe a year from now, the school board will confront having to deal

983
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:50,440
with a bid price, and if things are great, and the bid price is such that it's less

984
01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:54,880
than what we estimated, I think that provides some flexibility for the schools to do some

985
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,700
other capital projects. On the other hand, if the bid price is significantly higher, then

986
01:25:00,700 --> 01:25:05,400
what we are estimating today, I think we get back together with the school board and try to figure

987
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:11,680
out how do we go forward? And so we're trying to give a statement of intent today realizing

988
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:19,280
that we may not know what the actual dollar amount is until maybe a year from now.

989
01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:25,300
I hope it could go quicker, but I think our experience in terms of major capital projects,

990
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:31,440
it's going to be anywhere from 10 months to 12 months as you go through this process.

991
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:38,800
Sorry, as a school board goes through the process and we would hope that we'll have a good

992
01:25:39,780 --> 01:25:45,120
you're from now. And it'll be less than what we have to anticipate it.

993
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:47,300
So that's second.

994
01:25:48,220 --> 01:25:48,680
Excuse me.

995
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,200
Mr. Peter.

996
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:58,240
So I will go and record a shared my concerns about this last Wednesday and for the record

997
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,180
I'll share them again.

998
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:05,620
The first, as I expressed, I've been involved with grant processes before.

999
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:15,040
So, my first concern with this is that we are allocating 17 million in 2024 and 80 million

1000
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:21,740
in 2025 total in 97 million in the project's estimate of 93 million.

1001
01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:27,580
So I have a hard time understanding what we're going to allocate 97 million and appropriate

1002
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:32,960
through debt funding that then we turn around and ask the school board to apply for grants.

1003
01:26:32,960 --> 01:27:02,720
It's been my experience that you have to be able to show a need one of the things that I have a lot of questions about the MSU, one of the things that I could spoke about with a couple of my colleagues was, why do we not just amend the financial policy and we can put the number wherever you want to put it, but we want to borrow a 40 million and 24 million and 24 million and 24 million and 25, telling 80 million and debt servicing, allowing them the opportunity to show a need,

1004
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:08,900
going forward with the grants that we are asking them to look at.

1005
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:19,260
We have already determined it seems to me in the information that I've received from the

1006
01:27:19,260 --> 01:27:27,180
administration that it doesn't look like the solar option is an option that is in our

1007
01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:31,500
best interest and our financial folks have analyzed it as well.

1008
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:34,600
I have a hard time with the section here.

1009
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,280
We're going to ask them to get an energy consultant.

1010
01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:39,620
Mr. North just commented.

1011
01:27:39,940 --> 01:27:42,820
It will probably cost us a couple hundred thousand dollars to tell us

1012
01:27:42,820 --> 01:27:44,840
what we've already found out.

1013
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,380
And the other part that I have is this is,

1014
01:27:50,660 --> 01:27:53,440
and I said this on Wednesday is that

1015
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,900
not only is more in support of CTE than I am.

1016
01:27:57,540 --> 01:28:00,360
I've made that clear for over the last year, 18 months.

1017
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:22,720
He even sat down with Mr. Linden and Mr. Greenway back in the spring and called a called a little bit of a firestorm there that I was trying to get a deal to work out, but I thought the purpose of this was to solidify the CTE to take the recommendations of our CTE committee and to move that forward in this agreement.

1018
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:31,380
I don't think we've adequately addressed the elementary schools, but I also, I think the

1019
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:38,620
conference was made in our meeting last Wednesday, that we do need to understand our children.

1020
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:45,200
We need our ADM in our schools because it is going down, and as I've shared with some

1021
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:51,660
my colleagues earlier, we do live in a different world and I'll go back 50 years and I'll

1022
01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:57,480
And if Norfolk Southern were coming to town 50 years ago and had a thousand jobs, you know,

1023
01:28:57,740 --> 01:29:03,280
in most of the cases, the spouse was a homemaker, and they had two or three children, and

1024
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:08,860
they had a private pump, two or three thousand kids in our schools, but that's not the case

1025
01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:09,500
of 2022.

1026
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:16,300
As I do it, people daily, people aren't having kids, they're wanting to travel, they're

1027
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:23,160
go here and do this and they're not having the children that our past generations have.

1028
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,080
So I do think we need to look at our school structure.

1029
01:29:26,740 --> 01:29:30,880
I'm not a Mr. Rath could mention the Wednesday that there are some localities that are

1030
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:37,660
doing K-3A. And again, I don't have that answer. I don't think we have that answer.

1031
01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:42,900
I don't think we truly know how to address the elementary schools. I think that we need to

1032
01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:51,760
That's the school board to work in a holistic manner with us because I think the Democrats are going to change completely.

1033
01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:59,180
I don't think the comment was made with it's the school board is not in charge of economic development or economic growth.

1034
01:29:59,180 --> 01:29:59,980
That's damn it

1035
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,380
It's absolutely true. But as Chairman Mahoney mentioned at the State of the County on Wednesday, we had

1036
01:30:06,380 --> 01:30:16,000
a 5 or 50 jobs. Our unemployment number is under 2% or close to it. Even if we were to bring

1037
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,220
a thousand more people to the valley, that doesn't guarantee their own half-kids. So, again,

1038
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:28,260
I think that we need to take a holistic look at this. I feel like that the MOU should address

1039
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:35,100
just the CTE that all 10 members of both boards agree this needs be done.

1040
01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:37,900
We don't want to jeopardize our ability to have grants.

1041
01:30:38,660 --> 01:30:39,680
I think this does.

1042
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:45,720
And then we need to move into a conversation to address the elementary schools

1043
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,020
in a different way.

1044
01:30:47,380 --> 01:30:48,180
Let's turn on that.

1045
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,200
I was just going to ask a quick question.

1046
01:30:52,200 --> 01:31:03,560
Maybe that Ms. Owens can respond to this, but doesn't MOU in setting forth funding for future projects.

1047
01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:11,620
Is that the same as allocation, and would it be seen that way in a grant process to the best of your knowledge?

1048
01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:19,720
Let me just take a peek at how we have that word in the MOU here.

1049
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:32,670
If I look at my interpretation of this and have made a couple of other contacts, is that we don't have to actually physically allocate the money.

1050
01:31:33,010 --> 01:31:46,750
That doesn't take place until which time we borrow the money. However, this does outline 17 million, 17 million and 24, 18 million and 25, which does make it available for projects.

1051
01:31:46,750 --> 01:31:53,690
So, I'm just asking if that's the same thing and would that have to be declared in the grant process.

1052
01:31:54,750 --> 01:32:10,030
So, my understanding is in the grant process that what would be required is for the actual documentation and full explanation of the project itself.

1053
01:32:10,030 --> 01:32:15,590
I think what we have in our financial policy and what we've tried to just kind of reiterate

1054
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:22,610
here in the MOU would just be changes that this board would be authorizing in terms of the amount

1055
01:32:22,610 --> 01:32:30,530
of the borrowing that sport would authorize on an annual basis. So, for example, on page 3

1056
01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:41,030
of the MOU in Section 3, where it has updates to the policy, we would essentially continue

1057
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:48,810
the allowance of the 17 million in fiscal year 24, which are current policy already outlines

1058
01:32:48,810 --> 01:32:58,910
for the schools. Then we in fiscal year 25 would essentially just be authorizing and amount

1059
01:32:58,910 --> 01:33:05,730
up to 80 million. So I think all we're doing there is continuing with that 17 and then author

1060
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:13,110
authorizing an additional 63 million in the MOU. You know we've documented that we understand

1061
01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:21,030
that there are the needs of the CTE as well as two elementary schools with the thought being that

1062
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:25,990
if the school's did apply for and receive grants, that that would be great and those would go

1063
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:30,530
towards the project and just minimize the amount of the actual borrowing.

1064
01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:43,210
So I think that all we were trying to do here was just really kind of expand upon what we have in the current policy and just update it.

1065
01:33:43,210 --> 01:33:49,490
And then we would update the policy at a later time to this approved actually mirror that.

1066
01:33:49,490 --> 01:34:01,490
Then we continue on to say that beginning in fiscal year 27, so we just kind of continue and indicate that we would actually authorize an increase that amount from 17 to 20 million.

1067
01:34:02,050 --> 01:34:04,490
So if I can give you a good point of view of the patient.

1068
01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:10,350
So I guess what is the difference in if you're applying for an SRO grant or an ambulance

1069
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:16,890
or a fire truck and most of all those grants have in there is their sources of fund sources

1070
01:34:16,890 --> 01:34:20,070
for whatever this is.

1071
01:34:20,710 --> 01:34:22,290
Why would that be any different in this case?

1072
01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:29,650
Because there is a funding source for this and we are in this MOU it's hearing to be approved.

1073
01:34:29,650 --> 01:34:34,890
And this would also then be adopted into our financial policy.

1074
01:34:35,970 --> 01:34:36,470
Correct.

1075
01:34:37,310 --> 01:34:42,130
So for this, just to, um, it is just the intent to,

1076
01:34:42,370 --> 01:34:44,410
we haven't actually appropriated any of the funds.

1077
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:46,590
We would do that like during the budget process.

1078
01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:51,030
We would appropriate the bond money each and every year.

1079
01:34:51,530 --> 01:34:55,650
So we, I would look at this as, this is the plan for long term.

1080
01:34:55,650 --> 01:35:02,030
and then each year it would be in a preparation in the particular grant that you're referring

1081
01:35:02,030 --> 01:35:08,070
to for the school resource officer. That one was an actual appropriation of funds. And so

1082
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:13,910
that's why we couldn't on the county side actually apply for the grant because the funds had

1083
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:21,450
already been appropriated. But I can also address the grants for an ambulance. The questions asked

1084
01:35:21,450 --> 01:35:29,070
is there money been, it's not only use allocated, but are there a funding source available?

1085
01:35:30,210 --> 01:35:34,650
Because they're not going to give money to a fire rescue department that's sitting on a million

1086
01:35:34,650 --> 01:35:39,930
dollars and they're asking for a $300,000 truck, they're going to go, well, you've got the money

1087
01:35:39,930 --> 01:35:41,070
why you here.

1088
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:44,810
And I guess it's kind of a cautious approach.

1089
01:35:44,810 --> 01:35:51,110
I'm trying to take to this that I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. North, who has been pushing

1090
01:35:51,110 --> 01:35:55,830
these grants and there may be some changes to the grants to panel how the scoring comes out

1091
01:35:55,830 --> 01:36:03,470
for all localities. I just do not want to put us in the position that we're going to make

1092
01:36:03,470 --> 01:36:09,970
this move and then we're going to be kicked away from one of these grants that I would like

1093
01:36:09,970 --> 01:36:15,130
to see it's not only give us CTE but I'd like to see it feel to apply for the elementary schools

1094
01:36:15,130 --> 01:36:17,410
And I don't want to do anything jeopardize this.

1095
01:36:18,050 --> 01:36:19,070
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1096
01:36:19,450 --> 01:36:20,390
Just a few comments.

1097
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:26,230
Primarily on the theme of Will Thus, on this demo,

1098
01:36:26,450 --> 01:36:29,850
you was 17 million and 80 million jeopardized grants.

1099
01:36:30,030 --> 01:36:33,530
And my personal opinion faced on everything I've ran.

1100
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:38,550
And this is, by the way, a summary of competitive grant process for this bucket of grants

1101
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:42,190
for going after provided by Superintendent Nicely.

1102
01:36:42,190 --> 01:36:54,670
I don't know if he typed this up, or if he was something he got down to Richmond, but it was well summarized of the larger document that the legislature passed, which is a much larger document.

1103
01:36:54,730 --> 01:37:10,690
I cannot see anything in here, because this is taxpayers and money's, and by the way, the $1.2 billion pot will be expanded to 2.5 billion if the general assembly seems to explain to pass it, is it a buy any amendment to the two-year budget?

1104
01:37:10,690 --> 01:37:16,670
I can't see anything in here that says that it will be jeopardized, or it says if you've

1105
01:37:16,670 --> 01:37:18,450
got the funds, don't apply for the grants.

1106
01:37:19,230 --> 01:37:27,630
We have qualified, in Rono County, based upon this information to a 20% grant, and it's

1107
01:37:27,630 --> 01:37:34,890
based on skilled images with composite index value at a above 0.300 and below 0.400, or contained

1108
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:38,310
and locally designated with above average physical stress.

1109
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:47,090
We score 70% in both those categories, where this could get dicey is in the 11 questions that somebody came on foot to say,

1110
01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:50,530
Oh, and by the way, you got to take this test and pass the 11 questions,

1111
01:37:51,230 --> 01:37:57,410
when she's already getting conversations among many people and kind of well, and they don't really know that that's the right approach.

1112
01:37:58,110 --> 01:38:03,130
But we're pressing forward with the grants at least according to the folks over to school boards, because

1113
01:38:03,130 --> 01:38:13,010
This is not only going to be discussed then as it was two weeks ago, it's going to be discussed among several representatives of the Commonwealth from this area.

1114
01:38:13,690 --> 01:38:21,190
Bottom line is this is working progress and they're going to have to review the scope and impact of all this from the people who apply for the grants.

1115
01:38:21,190 --> 01:38:51,170
So, no, this is not why I supported the MOU, why I supported the MOU, and I think I can speak for a few others that perhaps feel the same way, is they get 17 million, that was my idea, that that 17, the schools have a choice, use it for CTE, or put it towards elementary schools, that was my idea of building the base to support the elementary schools, they get 20 million, and 27, they will have 37, they can start.

1116
01:38:51,190 --> 01:39:00,270
And elementary schools, if they wish to, and then of course 20 million in the future years will set up nicely to get the schools done sooner than later.

1117
01:39:00,790 --> 01:39:17,790
But at the end of the day, this $80 million, that we can afford today, based on all the analysis I staff's done, is simply saying to the schools, let's go after those grants, because it's 20 million dollars, it's not 2 million, it's a significant amount of money.

1118
01:39:17,790 --> 01:39:23,310
And if that don't work, we got another card up our sleeves and we're going to work on, and

1119
01:39:23,310 --> 01:39:29,010
I'm going to go to Assembly Representatives and discuss the fact that this is concerning

1120
01:39:29,010 --> 01:39:37,710
the score card 11 questions and be ready because this is CTE and it aligns with the governor's

1121
01:39:37,710 --> 01:39:42,170
workforce development improvement efforts all over the Commonwealth and grant program.

1122
01:39:42,170 --> 01:40:00,210
And if one delegate in this area, you get $6 million for history music and my gosh, all we're asking for is $18 to $20 million to be put in the buying any budget to help develop this region's workforce through these programs offerings at the Rono County CTE school.

1123
01:40:00,550 --> 01:40:11,490
So I respectfully don't, I'm not worrying about that. I can't find any language that knocks out this grant consideration because we've ponyed up $80 million so far.

1124
01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:16,410
Well, if you want to say 97 million, but my interpretation is it's 80.

1125
01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:21,470
It's not going to affect us because in here, it simply says, in part two,

1126
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,030
ran awards, you'll be based on project cost.

1127
01:40:24,650 --> 01:40:27,630
The project costs are about 90 right now.

1128
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:32,810
Escalated to about 93, and they're still a million short because there wasn't any concern for

1129
01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:37,290
curb and gutter that you have to enter the complex over there once it's built.

1130
01:40:37,290 --> 01:40:38,850
nor is there a stoplight.

1131
01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:44,710
And so a million dollars is already needs to be added to the 90.3 an escalated, which takes

1132
01:40:44,710 --> 01:40:45,990
it in 94.1 more.

1133
01:40:46,490 --> 01:40:51,510
And it says it's based on project costs, including planning, design, sign acquisition,

1134
01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:52,850
and construction.

1135
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:57,910
The school divisions can pause the index, and the fiscal stress category is designated

1136
01:40:57,910 --> 01:41:00,710
by the Virginia Local Government, et cetera, et cetera.

1137
01:41:01,250 --> 01:41:05,730
I don't see if this is a separate buck in a money, and if it's different than what

1138
01:41:05,730 --> 01:41:11,510
to apply for in other grants, so be it. I can't find anything, it knocks it out. And if there

1139
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:15,890
is something, I've missed this and shame on me, but I've read this, be it like Ms. fairly carefully.

1140
01:41:16,410 --> 01:41:20,450
And I know that Dr. Nicely has done the same thing, or he wouldn't have gone to Richmond

1141
01:41:20,450 --> 01:41:27,050
and spent six hours riding over there and back, and the times to speak on behalf of Rowan O'Countie

1142
01:41:27,050 --> 01:41:33,150
and what we're planning on doing. So, and I applaud that effort. And I hope that it will continue.

1143
01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:40,750
And yes, the laws say the schools have to be the one to file for this, not row an old county government, or administration.

1144
01:41:41,330 --> 01:41:43,570
We will have to be glad to help me way we can.

1145
01:41:44,170 --> 01:41:48,010
So that's all I have to say on the subject, and I respectfully will support the MOU.

1146
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:48,910
Thank you.

1147
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:49,670
Mr. Chairman.

1148
01:41:50,290 --> 01:41:50,650
Yes, sir.

1149
01:41:50,990 --> 01:41:57,170
So I guess everything my concerns got reiterated there.

1150
01:41:58,290 --> 01:42:01,890
Again, I don't want anybody to take away from this, and I'm not supportive of this.

1151
01:42:01,890 --> 01:42:03,190
that's not purpose.

1152
01:42:04,370 --> 01:42:09,730
I'm concerned that Mr. North just spoke that this is a work in progress.

1153
01:42:10,110 --> 01:42:13,150
So we don't know where the planes come in for the land.

1154
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:16,790
So we don't know what the final request will be,

1155
01:42:16,910 --> 01:42:19,390
what that final document will look for a look like.

1156
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:23,870
We have been led to a belief over the last year

1157
01:42:23,870 --> 01:42:26,370
that there was going to be 20% of this available.

1158
01:42:27,070 --> 01:42:29,110
Now we found out that that's not the case.

1159
01:42:29,730 --> 01:42:34,790
There's already been to me moving parts that has given me a time to say, well, it was

1160
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:35,550
pause for a minute.

1161
01:42:36,090 --> 01:42:39,950
Let's let this thing land and know exactly how we need to play it out.

1162
01:42:40,210 --> 01:42:42,610
Meanwhile, knowing that we're all committed to this.

1163
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:52,030
And then the other point that I brought up on Wednesday that Mr. North is reiterated was, let's

1164
01:42:52,030 --> 01:42:56,730
say everything is perfect, we get the grants, they get 17 million and they get 20 million

1165
01:42:57,430 --> 01:43:01,730
2027, which I will introduce to Lukumi Dunn.

1166
01:43:02,450 --> 01:43:05,430
I'm really not in a position that I want to hit the

1167
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:08,410
Kakaoba versus Benton Districts against each other.

1168
01:43:08,730 --> 01:43:11,130
Again, because I don't think we've had a holistic look

1169
01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:14,050
of how this needs to be played out, especially at the

1170
01:43:14,050 --> 01:43:14,990
elementary level.

1171
01:43:15,670 --> 01:43:17,490
So anyway, thank you, Chairman.

1172
01:43:19,290 --> 01:43:19,910
Mr. Raptor.

1173
01:43:20,370 --> 01:43:21,190
Yeah, thank you.

1174
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:26,710
Jason, I thank you for the information that you share with us.

1175
01:43:26,710 --> 01:43:34,330
if it's on the M of U. The one thing I want to tweak and that is item item D that talks about

1176
01:43:34,330 --> 01:43:40,190
the school board retaining and independent energy consultant. I see that a little different.

1177
01:43:40,250 --> 01:43:46,790
I don't see it costing 100 or 200,000 per staff person. Those people you can hire as a

1178
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:52,350
constructive through the architectural firm and they can actually evaluate and make a recommendation.

1179
01:43:52,350 --> 01:44:01,950
So, my whole thought about Dave was going to be more cost effective and not to hire somebody full-time.

1180
01:44:02,290 --> 01:44:04,710
They can do what they want to do with it.

1181
01:44:05,930 --> 01:44:12,770
To me, I'm not reading that they have to do solar, but it's a recommendation to look at it and consider it.

1182
01:44:12,850 --> 01:44:20,810
Because we might want to do the same thing with some of our architectural services that we do a library.

1183
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:27,010
we do a fire station, so I don't see that as, you know, a big expense.

1184
01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:29,610
Well, in all honesty, it's at least my concerns was-

1185
01:44:29,610 --> 01:44:30,050
I got you.

1186
01:44:30,330 --> 01:44:30,990
I don't think I know you.

1187
01:44:31,330 --> 01:44:31,530
I don't.

1188
01:44:31,810 --> 01:44:37,290
But I've tagged along with the solar energy, I just wanted to, you know, that you know, I thought

1189
01:44:37,290 --> 01:44:40,350
it was all lower, low-hanging fruit to take into account.

1190
01:44:40,690 --> 01:44:43,250
Mr. Chairman, there's to come to Mr. Mr. Raffer's comments.

1191
01:44:43,870 --> 01:44:48,650
In this, in this agreement, this was what the citizens committee that worked for almost a year

1192
01:44:48,650 --> 01:44:53,990
more recommended be done. So I think that we're following the direction of our sense of

1193
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:57,450
committee when this was included. So we're going to write a thank you, Mr. Chair.

1194
01:45:01,420 --> 01:45:06,740
Madam Court, I think we had a motion in a second in my correct.

1195
01:45:06,740 --> 01:45:07,720
You are correct.

1196
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:08,240
Thank you.

1197
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:09,920
I just want to fire a phone.

1198
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,900
That does include change.

1199
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:13,920
Please.

1200
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:16,080
Yes.

1201
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:17,700
I don't know.

1202
01:45:18,980 --> 01:45:19,380
Is that correct?

1203
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:21,320
Is that correct?

1204
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:22,400
Is that correct?

1205
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:23,840
Yes.

1206
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:25,800
Yes.

1207
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:26,140
Is that correct?

1208
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:26,840
Yes.

1209
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:27,500
Yes.

1210
01:45:29,860 --> 01:45:30,480
Thank you.

1211
01:45:30,480 --> 01:46:00,460
Item F1, F1 is first reading of an ordinance of appropriating $61,460,835 in 43 cents from the

1212
01:46:00,460 --> 01:46:02,100
Chairman, members of the board.

1213
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:04,200
At the November 10th, School of War Meeting,

1214
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:06,920
I present in 2022, to school in your audit,

1215
01:46:07,100 --> 01:46:08,560
comprehensive annual finisher report,

1216
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,980
and your entire evaluation request.

1217
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:12,820
These were approved by the school board.

1218
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,440
By law, any year in balances of the school division

1219
01:46:16,440 --> 01:46:17,760
in the Commonwealth of Virginia,

1220
01:46:18,260 --> 01:46:20,020
there is a report back to the government from which it came.

1221
01:46:20,580 --> 01:46:22,500
The county's comprehensive financial policy

1222
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:25,200
allows the school board to re-appropriate year in funds

1223
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:27,100
upon approval by the board of supervisors.

1224
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:29,080
And here on behalf of the school board,

1225
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:35,240
to request the group re-appropriation of 6,000, 4,000, 6,000, 8,000, 85,000, 40,000, 40,000,

1226
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,780
since for all funds to share an encouragement aid to your board report.

1227
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:44,600
This re-appropriation request complies with the county's company's definition of policy, and

1228
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,120
a school board year in carry of a policy.

1229
01:46:46,660 --> 01:46:50,420
I thank you for the opportunity to present the re-appropriation request of the school board

1230
01:46:50,420 --> 01:46:50,680
today.

1231
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:52,300
It can answer any questions that you may have.

1232
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:53,520
Any questions?

1233
01:46:53,860 --> 01:46:54,060
Excuse me.

1234
01:46:54,060 --> 01:46:56,340
So, here are any problems?

1235
01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:58,840
Mr. Peterson,

1236
01:47:01,140 --> 01:47:06,620
first citizens watching at home, 61 million dollars sounds like a lot.

1237
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:14,860
Could you kind of walk through, I mean, what I would call the real carryover is a much smaller

1238
01:47:14,860 --> 01:47:24,040
number, and the larger number is really very as grant funds, reserve funds,

1239
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:39,420
like health insurance fund, risk management, things like that that both the county has in the school board has in terms of establishing some reserves for future eventualities.

1240
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:45,040
So, for purposes of the citizens walking home, if they say, oh, do you have 61 million?

1241
01:47:46,500 --> 01:47:49,340
And that's not really the case.

1242
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:54,940
You start kind of clarify that the real carryover is, what is it?

1243
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:56,040
Report minutes seven.

1244
01:47:57,300 --> 01:47:58,720
It's much more amount.

1245
01:47:59,980 --> 01:48:04,100
As part of the agreement, of course, we have a two million dollar emergency contingency

1246
01:48:04,100 --> 01:48:07,740
and the general fund that is required to be carried over in the year after year.

1247
01:48:08,260 --> 01:48:12,980
And so our total general fund carryover includes the two million contingency

1248
01:48:12,980 --> 01:48:16,420
and conferences which are carry over purchase orders.

1249
01:48:16,940 --> 01:48:20,000
57,000, 3,000, 7,000, 7,000 dollars in 72 cents.

1250
01:48:21,020 --> 01:48:25,920
And then the remaining carry over, we have 827,000, 2,000,

1251
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:26,600
and 5 dollars.

1252
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,900
And 51 cents that is allocated to major capital

1253
01:48:29,900 --> 01:48:32,300
and the same amount is allocated to minor capital.

1254
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:35,820
So that makes a total amount of 3.7 million.

1255
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:39,380
That we're surplus in the general fund, our operating fund,

1256
01:48:39,380 --> 01:48:43,200
that is allocated according to this theorem policy.

1257
01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:47,260
The remaining funds are 57.7 million.

1258
01:48:47,860 --> 01:48:51,320
These include our fleet fund, just under a million dollars,

1259
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:52,940
our instructional resources fund,

1260
01:48:53,700 --> 01:48:55,500
which is money that we gave up for textbooks

1261
01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:59,140
and online resources and other instructional resources.

1262
01:48:59,620 --> 01:49:01,740
We have a technology replacement fund,

1263
01:49:01,820 --> 01:49:06,760
just under a million, our total grant fund is one of our largest,

1264
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:12,480
That's $10.2 million and these are federal grants and state grants that are set aside for

1265
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:15,280
very specific purpose and cannot be used for anything else.

1266
01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:21,480
Our nutrition fund has a excess balance of $7.3 million in the commonwealth of Virginia.

1267
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:28,200
The nutrition fund is required to attain all earnings and they may not share with the other funds

1268
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,480
and so we keep that separate.

1269
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:44,260
We have minor capital fund carrier of our old five million, major capital amounts of 10 million total bond fund, including the Windbird High Project of 11.8 million.

1270
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:55,320
Our health insurance fund is we are self-insured just like the county and so we build up reserves to cover our claims we are paid out, the reserve balance and this is 6.4 million.

1271
01:49:55,320 --> 01:50:01,520
We have a team about and into insurance, just under a million in our risk management, which helps us cover

1272
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:07,160
a lot of this compensation, planes, and our European trust fund to help with retirement and health insurance.

1273
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,400
So our total other funds are 57.7 million.

1274
01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:12,020
Thank you.

1275
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,860
Any other questions for this Peter Smith?

1276
01:50:15,220 --> 01:50:17,460
So why government, they always got little stashes everywhere.

1277
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:19,700
Just want to clarify.

1278
01:50:20,140 --> 01:50:20,620
Just to say.

1279
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:22,380
Just be a thing.

1280
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:30,240
I would ask for a motion to approve the first reading of this ordinance into Schedule A Second Reading for January 10,

1281
01:50:30,900 --> 01:50:32,760
20, 20, 3, it's already next.

1282
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:33,520
I'm going to approve.

1283
01:50:35,020 --> 01:50:35,420
I'm out of flavor.

1284
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,040
It's a painter's.

1285
01:50:37,580 --> 01:50:38,200
This is a soccer.

1286
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:38,800
Yes.

1287
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:39,280
Yes.

1288
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:39,860
Yes.

1289
01:50:40,540 --> 01:50:41,300
Mr. Rafferd.

1290
01:50:41,420 --> 01:50:41,680
Yes.

1291
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:42,500
Mr. Mohandy.

1292
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:44,220
Thank you, Mr. Mohandy.

1293
01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:48,400
Let's see.

1294
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:49,380
Item F2.

1295
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,100
This is an ordinance of ending article two.

1296
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,440
Definitions and use types.

1297
01:50:53,440 --> 01:51:00,540
Article 3, District Regulations, and Article 4, use and design standards to the Rono County

1298
01:51:00,540 --> 01:51:03,940
sounding ordinance regarding halfway houses.

1299
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:04,620
Mr. Fauss.

1300
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:06,500
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1301
01:51:06,620 --> 01:51:07,660
Members of the board.

1302
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:14,680
Back in July, the board requested the planning commission to look at the regulations for

1303
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:15,540
halfway houses.

1304
01:51:16,460 --> 01:51:21,940
And so staff has been working with the planning commission and are suggesting the proposed amendments.

1305
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:30,160
So, three areas, we'll go through, first one, definitions, if you remember, the issue of light

1306
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:35,880
Pelican, one of the issues that we had with the current definition, talks about accommodations,

1307
01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:38,440
rehabilitation, counseling, and supervision.

1308
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,780
And all four had to be present to the designated as a half-way house.

1309
01:51:43,220 --> 01:51:48,920
So we tweaked the definition of concern now reads, an establishment providing residential

1310
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:54,060
accommodations and supervisions, persons suffering from alcohol or drug addiction, or other

1311
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:58,780
similar disorders, or to persons re-embering society after being released from a

1312
01:51:58,780 --> 01:52:01,000
correctional facility, or other institution.

1313
01:52:01,860 --> 01:52:05,980
This use may also provide rehabilitation, counseling, or other similar services to such

1314
01:52:05,980 --> 01:52:06,500
persons.

1315
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:07,920
So it kind of makes it a little broader.

1316
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:16,180
Second item is, you know, we currently own a lab, a half-way house, and the AV district,

1317
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:21,520
by special use permit and in the C2 district with special use permit. So as being proposed

1318
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:28,180
to allow it by right in the AV, our Cultural Village Center District, the C1, C2,

1319
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:32,880
zoning districts, which is the low intensity and high intensity commercial districts and in the

1320
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:39,360
I1 and I2, the low intensity and high intensity and industrial districts. It would be allowed in

1321
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,980
are 1, R, 2, R, 3, and R, 4, as a special use permit.

1322
01:52:44,300 --> 01:52:47,680
And then all of those are subject to use in the Zion standards.

1323
01:52:48,580 --> 01:52:51,140
So the use in the Zion standards that we developed,

1324
01:52:52,580 --> 01:52:55,580
the Planion Commission of Staff developed, there are two sets.

1325
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,800
There's General Standards, which we'd apply to all zoning districts.

1326
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,100
And so there's two standards.

1327
01:53:01,820 --> 01:53:04,200
One is a distance requirement that no halfway house

1328
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:06,760
will be located with a 500 feet of another halfway house.

1329
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:14,000
The second one is kind of taking from our short term rental use, and we added to it is that the

1330
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:19,800
Alpscure Shelter can is any permit for our document occupation of the Halfway House,

1331
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:22,440
so it deals

1332
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:27,460
with that they have to provide all relevant parcel information, the applicant's name, and address

1333
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:34,980
contact of who you would contact for resolving complaints, the structure layout of each floor of the Halfway

1334
01:53:34,980 --> 01:53:40,200
house, but also listing of how many residents there would be and also the number of staff members

1335
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,060
that would be in that facility.

1336
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:47,780
The second set of use and as I stated, are just applied to the A.B. District, it all

1337
01:53:47,780 --> 01:53:48,740
residential districts.

1338
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,640
And so there's a massive number of people residing the half-way house shall be five persons

1339
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,580
and that would include any overnight staff.

1340
01:53:57,300 --> 01:54:01,440
The second standard is that the half-way house shall be located on a parcel of land that

1341
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:02,920
is five acres of greater size.

1342
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:08,740
So, for AV district, while it's allowed by right, it would have to be on a parcel that's five acres for greater.

1343
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:15,480
And the R1, R2, R3, R4 is especially used with that parcel, also has to be five acres in the size.

1344
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:17,280
And it has to go through the process to get a discussion.

1345
01:54:18,140 --> 01:54:20,920
So, with that, I'll take any questions that you may have.

1346
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:23,100
Well, let me go back.

1347
01:54:23,300 --> 01:54:24,560
Thank you for this whole public hearing.

1348
01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:30,480
Last week, we just had one speaker, a gentleman, he ran an on-profit.

1349
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:55,720
And they're looking at, he was questioning the limitations in R1 in the Ag Districts, and their program is more of a broader program, and so what we worked off with the planning commission was inviting him back to a future work session to talk about their program and how they do in their faith-based ministry to his program and then try to work on the solution for that.

1350
01:54:55,720 --> 01:55:02,100
But the Plankers did recommend approval of these amendments now to get any questions.

1351
01:55:02,900 --> 01:55:04,480
Any questions, Mr. Combs?

1352
01:55:08,110 --> 01:55:09,710
Well, let me point to say one thing.

1353
01:55:10,610 --> 01:55:14,630
I feel if I want to thank staff and the Planning Commission for working through this.

1354
01:55:14,630 --> 01:55:16,250
I think this is a good step.

1355
01:55:17,090 --> 01:55:25,930
I think that in one respect we have opened up opportunities to address this problem.

1356
01:55:25,930 --> 01:55:32,050
the serious problem that affects all our citizens and particularly in the commercial and

1357
01:55:32,050 --> 01:55:38,330
industrial other areas. I think we place some structure through the use and design standards.

1358
01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:47,610
I see this as a positive step. I think the board for initiate helping to initiate this process.

1359
01:55:47,610 --> 01:55:58,110
So with that, I'm making motion for approval with the second reading for January 10th in 2023.

1360
01:55:58,730 --> 01:55:59,530
We have a second.

1361
01:56:00,610 --> 01:56:01,150
Is that a quarter?

1362
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:05,190
Yes.

1363
01:56:05,570 --> 01:56:05,770
Yes.

1364
01:56:05,770 --> 01:56:06,350
Is it so cold?

1365
01:56:07,050 --> 01:56:07,170
Yes.

1366
01:56:07,470 --> 01:56:07,730
Yes.

1367
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:08,710
Yes.

1368
01:56:11,630 --> 01:56:12,150
Thank you, sir.

1369
01:56:12,430 --> 01:56:12,830
Thank you.

1370
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:14,010
Item G is appointments.

1371
01:56:14,950 --> 01:56:16,410
Does any board members have an appointment?

1372
01:56:16,410 --> 01:56:18,750
that there's not otherwise been given for the clerk.

1373
01:56:20,490 --> 01:56:22,530
Item H is our consent agenda.

1374
01:56:23,890 --> 01:56:26,850
We have seven items on our consent agenda.

1375
01:56:27,310 --> 01:56:31,310
All matters listed under the consent agenda are considered by the board to be routine.

1376
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:36,570
And we'll be enacted by one resolution in the former form,

1377
01:56:36,570 --> 01:56:37,570
listed below.

1378
01:56:37,970 --> 01:56:41,790
And if discussion is desires that out of handy removed from the consent agenda,

1379
01:56:42,310 --> 01:56:43,730
and we'll be considered separately.

1380
01:56:43,730 --> 01:56:48,190
Does any board member want to remove an item from the consent agenda?

1381
01:56:50,650 --> 01:56:59,150
I don't want to necessarily remove it, but I'd like to ask the board under item 5 with respect to our calendar.

1382
01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:11,810
Any interest in moving, moving our meeting next November, back a week, or would you want to keep it as it is?

1383
01:57:11,810 --> 01:57:18,970
My thought was, if we moved it back a week, since we only have one meeting in November of December,

1384
01:57:20,450 --> 01:57:25,370
it gives a little more distance between the last meeting in October and the meeting in November.

1385
01:57:26,150 --> 01:57:35,690
It also gives a little bit greater time for the Planning Commission and Planning staff to transmit materials to us for a public hearing.

1386
01:57:35,690 --> 01:57:51,090
The downside with that is the Virginia Association of Counties Annual Meeting would probably be the weekend before the Tuesday.

1387
01:57:52,170 --> 01:57:58,170
And so I'm kind of wondering, is there any interest in altering that calendar?

1388
01:57:58,630 --> 01:58:03,310
And if not, just keep it as it'll show.

1389
01:58:03,310 --> 01:58:11,030
We know they could be that following week that then you'd likely have moved it up to Wednesday as well.

1390
01:58:11,290 --> 01:58:11,450
Yes, sir.

1391
01:58:11,570 --> 01:58:12,370
And with the uncertainty,

1392
01:58:16,580 --> 01:58:17,880
I think that's funny.

1393
01:58:18,460 --> 01:58:18,580
Yeah.

1394
01:58:18,580 --> 01:58:20,360
I'm looking at the calendar.

1395
01:58:20,740 --> 01:58:22,720
I think I'm having a hard time understanding it.

1396
01:58:22,740 --> 01:58:27,300
It's currently proposed for the eighth, which is the day after election day.

1397
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:30,900
And so you're proposing the 15th, the following Wednesday.

1398
01:58:30,980 --> 01:58:31,840
Yeah, that's right.

1399
01:58:32,580 --> 01:58:40,400
That assuming that the vehicle and your conference, and I was hoping that several board members

1400
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:45,180
have not all of us could attend, because I think the vehicle conference is a valuable

1401
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:46,600
initiative.

1402
01:58:47,740 --> 01:58:57,020
It's that weekend, it's the 12 13th and 14th of our call, that best best design, understand

1403
01:58:57,020 --> 01:58:58,100
from what the vehicle does.

1404
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:00,620
And you think it would be better to have the meeting after the vehicle?

1405
01:59:00,620 --> 01:59:07,000
Well, Wednesday, you know, the 15th is ever, you know, that makes sense to me.

1406
01:59:07,820 --> 01:59:11,500
But it was the clerk has pointed out that I think it would have to be Wednesday.

1407
01:59:11,740 --> 01:59:12,900
It would have to be the 15th.

1408
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:19,200
And the negative to that is our board, all our citizens are used to meeting us meeting on Tuesday.

1409
01:59:20,260 --> 01:59:23,900
Well, it's not to meet on a Wednesday because of a election day most likely.

1410
01:59:26,410 --> 01:59:28,310
I don't have a profit here.

1411
01:59:28,890 --> 01:59:30,310
Yeah, I'll make good to see your date.

1412
01:59:30,310 --> 01:59:32,730
I'm good with either an A.

1413
01:59:33,050 --> 01:59:34,370
I'm good with fifth gate.

1414
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:37,010
The board is comfortable with the fifteenth.

1415
01:59:37,190 --> 01:59:40,510
Could we amend the app part and still adopt the consent agenda.

1416
01:59:40,630 --> 01:59:42,210
We're going to remove item five.

1417
01:59:42,570 --> 01:59:44,710
Wouldn't it be better than step away?

1418
01:59:45,170 --> 01:59:46,310
We can do that.

1419
01:59:47,470 --> 01:59:48,370
Probably yes.

1420
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:54,030
So if I could have a motion to approve the consent agenda,

1421
01:59:54,430 --> 01:59:57,950
item 223-4-6-7.

1422
01:59:57,970 --> 01:59:58,390
Motion.

1423
01:59:59,070 --> 01:59:59,490
Second.

1424
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:22,720
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, yes, Mr. Noorford, yes, Mr. Randford, yes, Mr. Hanger. Yes, I would move approval of item H5 as amended so that instead of meeting in November on November 8th, we meet on November 15th.

1425
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:28,120
I'm just asking for a case of we do have the dates for forebacon next year.

1426
02:00:29,020 --> 02:00:30,180
I think so.

1427
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:32,720
Well, then I'm going to be the A because of the election.

1428
02:00:34,820 --> 02:00:38,880
So the reason I was asking because that would happen over the elections won't be the middle

1429
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:39,200
week.

1430
02:00:39,340 --> 02:00:39,660
Well, I understand.

1431
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:44,040
I'm saying Saturday that Saturday that fall a week will be a veterans day.

1432
02:00:44,460 --> 02:00:45,560
So I didn't know if that would.

1433
02:00:46,780 --> 02:00:47,040
Okay.

1434
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:48,020
I mean, I don't know.

1435
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:51,540
I'm usually starts with Saturday, but for most people arrive on Saturday.

1436
02:00:51,540 --> 02:00:59,740
I've got morning to the usually historically fake-o as met after the election, but the weekend after the election.

1437
02:01:00,020 --> 02:01:02,520
I just saw the holiday there that's always nice.

1438
02:01:05,370 --> 02:01:06,570
So it's a motion for presentation.

1439
02:01:06,770 --> 02:01:07,450
I made a motion.

1440
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:09,570
So I can.

1441
02:01:10,030 --> 02:01:10,870
Mr. Faders.

1442
02:01:11,470 --> 02:01:11,490
Yes.

1443
02:01:11,490 --> 02:01:12,550
Mr. Huckle. Yes.

1444
02:01:12,710 --> 02:01:13,230
Mr. Noah.

1445
02:01:13,410 --> 02:01:14,710
Mr. Bradford.

1446
02:01:14,930 --> 02:01:16,150
For November 15th.

1447
02:01:16,270 --> 02:01:16,830
Yes.

1448
02:01:18,030 --> 02:01:18,230
Mr. Mohan.

1449
02:01:19,070 --> 02:01:26,790
item I is citizen comments and communications. I do not have any all the citizen communications

1450
02:01:26,790 --> 02:01:38,090
I have or for deceiving. I am Jay reports. I move that we receive and file the seven reports

1451
02:01:38,090 --> 02:01:41,290
that are listed in our agenda. Do I have a second?

1452
02:01:41,970 --> 02:01:43,350
I have Clark.

1453
02:01:44,250 --> 02:01:44,510
Yes.

1454
02:01:44,510 --> 02:01:44,890
Mr. Paterson.

1455
02:01:46,710 --> 02:01:47,070
Mr. North.

1456
02:01:47,310 --> 02:01:47,870
Yes.

1457
02:01:47,870 --> 02:01:48,550
Mr. Bradford.

1458
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:48,910
Yes.

1459
02:01:49,250 --> 02:01:49,690
Mr. Mahoney.

1460
02:01:50,250 --> 02:01:50,290
Yes.

1461
02:01:50,710 --> 02:01:52,110
I am pay as work sessions.

1462
02:01:52,390 --> 02:01:56,390
Now we have a work session schedule to discuss department of social services.

1463
02:01:57,110 --> 02:01:58,890
Staffing with board.

1464
02:01:59,610 --> 02:02:02,770
Susan Gold, director of social services Rebecca Owens.

1465
02:02:03,270 --> 02:02:05,610
Mr. Elliott will be handling that.

1466
02:02:05,610 --> 02:02:16,510
We will now recess and go up to the third floor for this work session, and we will return at 7 o'clock for our evening session, public hearings.

1467
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:19,700
Among them, people carrying flags of the German Reich, a symbol that is now associated with Germany's far right.

1468
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:25,580
And you have QAnon spilling across from the other side of the Atlantic.

1469
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:31,780
What do you think about Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel? Because internationally she's been praised for the way she's dealt with the coronavirus crisis.

1470
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:59,120
And finding a very neat overlap in terms of the conspiracy theory with the citizens of the

1471
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:06,240
that basically governments are not real, that they run the people, that they're sort of, you

1472
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:10,420
know, these elites that basically enrich themselves, that are decadent, and that don't look

1473
02:04:10,420 --> 02:04:16,680
after the people, and that there is a need for some kind of revolutionary moment, right?

1474
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:18,500
Some kind of cleansing.

1475
02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:29,320
And so in the spring of 2020, there was a big NATO exercise that was

1476
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:36,640
in Germany. It was called Defender Europe 20, which was scaled back because of the pandemic.

1477
02:04:37,420 --> 02:04:43,720
This was a moment when conspiracy theory circles, in particular Q&A followers, then started saying

1478
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:50,460
that this was actually the government in Germany using a fake pandemic to support this secret land

1479
02:04:50,460 --> 02:04:57,220
by President Donald Trump, who was coming to liberate Germany, and finally turn it into a sovereign

1480
02:04:57,220 --> 02:05:03,200
country. So this was a gift to the conspiracy theory world. And it was also the moment

1481
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:09,580
where this rice burger or citizens of the right movement just jumped on QAnon traffic

1482
02:05:09,580 --> 02:05:16,040
online because this just worked for them. I mean QAnon spread in various European countries

1483
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:22,940
but in the non-English speaking world, no country was as receptive towards the QAnon Conspiracy Theory.

1484
02:05:22,940 --> 02:05:28,960
Germany had some 200,000 followers of QAnon at the time, and you have these Facebook groups

1485
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:34,160
and these telegram channels that actually are now shared by these riceburger, by these

1486
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:36,760
citizens of the Reich, and the QAnon followers.

1487
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:44,400
So these two conspiracy theories basically become one, and that kind of supercharges QAnon

1488
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:47,900
and Germany, and it definitely supercharges the Reich's burger.

1489
02:05:47,900 --> 02:05:55,660
It's fascinating that just the moment when Q&A is taking off in the US because people are stuck

1490
02:05:55,660 --> 02:06:00,220
at home and locked down and on the internet and very aggrieved about the role of government,

1491
02:06:00,740 --> 02:06:06,860
the same thing's happening in Germany and so the Riceberger movement is being joined by

1492
02:06:06,860 --> 02:06:11,800
its American counterpart and the two seems like our feeding and amplifying each other, especially

1493
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:13,060
in Germany.

1494
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:14,040
Absolutely.

1495
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:29,220
And it's curious, so you have this incredibly, you know, Germany's specific movement, rooted in German history, you know, kind of German grievances, linking up with this incredibly American inspired conspiracy theory and they find each other.

1496
02:06:29,620 --> 02:06:34,200
And of course, what's especially ironic about that is that isn't the center of the rights worker plot.

1497
02:06:34,700 --> 02:06:41,480
And Timothy for America as an occupying force, and yet suddenly an American conspiracy theory is feeding that. It's all very tricky.

1498
02:06:41,480 --> 02:06:46,420
Well, and they overcome that, of course, by seeing an ally in Donald Trump.

1499
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:50,180
I mean, one of the incredible things I remember from one of these marches is when, you

1500
02:06:50,180 --> 02:06:55,860
know, these people marched with Trump posters, with Q posters, sometimes even with Putin

1501
02:06:55,860 --> 02:06:56,360
posters.

1502
02:06:56,520 --> 02:07:01,200
I mean, basically, Putin Trump, they're all heroes for these people.

1503
02:07:01,700 --> 02:07:05,840
And for them, it only makes sense, because Donald Trump was fighting the deep state, remember

1504
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:12,000
that was QAnon's assertion and of course Donald Trump was considered the savior in Germany

1505
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:17,780
by those who hoped that he was finally the guy who would negotiate that peace treaty and

1506
02:07:17,780 --> 02:07:19,380
give Germany its independence again.

1507
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:30,880
Anyways, it is sort of these multiple crisis that build on each other and give these people

1508
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:38,360
the kind of sense of urgency. Now it seems that several of them felt compelled to actually act.

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Beeridge, if Cantron Benhold, on the story behind a highly organized plot, to overthrow

1531
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Germany's government.

1532
02:09:39,850 --> 02:09:47,630
So, Captain, how do all of those forces that you just described connect back to this plot that was just disrupted in Germany?

1533
02:09:48,570 --> 02:09:56,910
I mean in many ways, this group is kind of a perfect cross-section of the super-aclective mix of people that we saw on the streets during the pandemic,

1534
02:09:56,990 --> 02:10:02,690
and that often connected online and in the internet and these rabbit holes over conspiracy theories, right?

1535
02:10:02,690 --> 02:10:10,310
So you have an esoteric, kind of alternative medical doctor, you've got a pilot, you've

1536
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:15,530
got a classical tenor, and then there was this former lawmaker from the AFD, this far-right

1537
02:10:15,530 --> 02:10:17,790
party, who saw that access to parliament.

1538
02:10:18,830 --> 02:10:22,850
And the ringleader was someone who considers himself a prince.

1539
02:10:25,900 --> 02:10:33,640
Heinrich, the 13th, basically ran this separation from this tiny little village in the state of

1540
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:39,180
Thurinja, which is kind of known for having quite a lot of far-right sympathies in the hunting

1541
02:10:39,180 --> 02:10:39,640
lot.

1542
02:10:40,620 --> 02:10:41,640
And it kind of fits.

1543
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:50,180
This is a guy who was the descendant of this 700-year-old minor German noble family, which

1544
02:10:50,180 --> 02:10:57,780
before World War I did rule over this tiny state in Eastern Germany, and so, because of the

1545
02:10:57,780 --> 02:11:04,480
noble background of his family, he is incredibly nostalgic for this pre-1918 German empire when

1546
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:11,260
his own ancestors ruled over this piece of land. So he had embraced this conspiracy theory and was

1547
02:11:11,260 --> 02:11:16,120
now involved with this group and hoping to become the post-cooled leader of Germany.

1548
02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:23,680
So, he has a very personal stake in this movement, and it sounds like he very much wishes

1549
02:11:23,680 --> 02:11:29,660
for the restoration of his own nobility and power in a Germany that longer exists.

1550
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:30,840
Absolutely.

1551
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:36,000
And it was in his hunting lodge that many of these meetings took place, where the political

1552
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,240
wing of this group plotted what the future government would look like, who would take which

1553
02:11:40,240 --> 02:11:44,640
brief the classical tenor would be the culture minister, you know, the former lawmaker,

1554
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:49,920
who's also a judge, in fact, an acting judge, until she was arrested, would become the Justice

1555
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:56,240
Minister and would heat this national purge in Germany, a kind of Nuremberg 2.0 in

1556
02:11:56,240 --> 02:12:00,180
reference to the post-Nazi trials that by the Allies in Germany.

1557
02:12:00,940 --> 02:12:05,540
But there was also this military wing consisting of these former soldiers and current soldiers

1558
02:12:05,540 --> 02:12:09,660
and police officers, people who knew how to deal with weapons, and they would occasionally

1559
02:12:09,660 --> 02:12:16,900
do target practice in the forest behind we hear from a talton sources and store weapons and ammunition in the basement.

1560
02:12:17,540 --> 02:12:30,840
So, how close did this ever really come to being a plausible revolution, an actual overthrowing of the government?

1561
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:38,520
So nobody really believes that they had the capability to actually take down the government.

1562
02:12:39,660 --> 02:12:44,820
They had fantasies that all the kind of security stuff of the Bundestag, the German Parliament,

1563
02:12:44,920 --> 02:12:50,060
which has joined them, that ultimately, like a lot of these conspiracy theorists, they were

1564
02:12:50,060 --> 02:12:55,760
representing this majority, and as soon as they would kick off this war or this coup that

1565
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,060
the majority of the people would be grateful and join them.

1566
02:12:58,060 --> 02:13:02,000
But nobody I spoke to believes that this is the case, they would have eventually been

1567
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:09,460
subdued. What they did have the capability to do, given how many of their members were well-armed

1568
02:13:09,460 --> 02:13:16,060
and well-trained and given that they had the access because of this formalmaker inside their group

1569
02:13:16,060 --> 02:13:22,260
was to enter Parliament, do a lot of damage, potentially kill a lot of people. So what we're talking

1570
02:13:22,260 --> 02:13:29,040
about here is a very serious terrorist threat. And this is what security services are ultimately

1571
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:30,260
very concerned about.

1572
02:13:30,580 --> 02:13:35,080
Right, a January 6th style event. In this case, it seems perhaps even

1573
02:20:47,500 --> 02:20:58,040
We are returning to our evening session for December 13th, 2022. The board held its regular open session

1574
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:04,800
beginning at 3 o'clock today and after 3 o'clock, we have a lengthy work session trying to address

1575
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:11,860
some issues and some problems and some staffing problems for our Department of Social Services. But we

1576
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:15,660
are resuming our meeting tonight at 7 o'clock.

1577
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:20,960
The next item on our agenda item L-1,

1578
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:24,680
that was a petition of Pandistore Grentals and Sales,

1579
02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:27,760
so obtain a special use permit for equipment sales

1580
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:30,600
and rentals and a special use permit

1581
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:34,060
for many warehouses on approximately 4.82 acres

1582
02:21:34,060 --> 02:21:38,420
of land zone C2, high-intensity commercial district,

1583
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:46,780
located at the 5,300 block of West Main Street and the 5,400 block of Pleasant Rune, Run, Drive, and Catava.

1584
02:21:47,900 --> 02:21:53,060
That public hearing has been postponed until January 10th, 2023.

1585
02:21:54,200 --> 02:22:00,240
The second item on our agenda item L2, that is a petition of Barnett Properties LLC,

1586
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:09,400
to reason approximately 9.38 acres from our 3C medium density multi-family residential district with

1587
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:19,360
conditions, our one low-density residential district, I1C low-intensity industrial district with conditions,

1588
02:22:20,500 --> 02:22:27,400
C2C, high-intensity commercial district with conditions, and C1, low-intensity commercial district,

1589
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:34,780
two C2C, high-intensity commercial district with conditions for retail sales, located

1590
02:22:34,780 --> 02:22:45,680
in the 4400 block of Brambleton Avenue, including 4449 and 4457 Brambleton Avenue, and the 4500

1591
02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:55,540
in 4,600 blocks of old case spring road. All of this is located in the Windsor Hills Magisterial District, Mr. Thompson.

1592
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:59,000
Good evening. Mr. Chairman, the members of the board.

1593
02:23:00,300 --> 02:23:08,160
So the rezoning at the 40, 11 parcels, five different zoning conditions on seven parcels,

1594
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:11,760
for previous rezoning shown in 1980 and 1985.

1595
02:23:12,740 --> 02:23:16,260
So the intent is to rezoning all to C2 for retail sales.

1596
02:23:17,740 --> 02:23:19,920
Quick location. Here are the parcels.

1597
02:23:20,220 --> 02:23:24,460
Located on the Bremels in Avenue and Old Case Spring Road.

1598
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:27,360
Across the street from Cotton Hill Road.

1599
02:23:28,060 --> 02:23:28,960
A close-up of the road.

1600
02:23:29,100 --> 02:23:29,760
A couple of avenues.

1601
02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:34,000
Across from Proger and Bojangles.

1602
02:23:35,500 --> 02:23:42,920
Again, as you mentioned, it's the 4400 block of Brownman Avenue, and the 4500, and 4600 blocks of old piece, spring and road.

1603
02:23:44,140 --> 02:23:54,200
9.38 acres, currently on the property, there are two single family residences, and nine of the parcels are vacant, and they are proposing to each other sales use.

1604
02:23:54,200 --> 02:24:02,300
little photos. So there are two existing entrances to the property. This entrance gives

1605
02:24:02,300 --> 02:24:08,380
access to the residential houses. And this is one of the entrances that will be modified

1606
02:24:08,380 --> 02:24:14,600
for the proposed retail sales. So let's look at the back, going up the driveway from Browl

1607
02:24:14,600 --> 02:24:20,540
to the Avenue. This is a vantage point. Up the driveway looking back towards Browl and the

1608
02:24:20,540 --> 02:24:23,480
I think you can see the Bojangles across the street.

1609
02:24:24,920 --> 02:24:28,500
Property is generally open and what it has,

1610
02:24:28,500 --> 02:24:32,340
what it buffers along the property lines as well.

1611
02:24:32,940 --> 02:24:34,640
As you can see, some of this, where it's open,

1612
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:37,420
and a lot of the property lines you do have.

1613
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:39,520
Visitation.

1614
02:24:40,980 --> 02:24:43,740
The other entrances, which I think I'll review our familiar with,

1615
02:24:43,740 --> 02:24:46,760
was used by Vietnam for many years, for their maintenance operations.

1616
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:54,160
and several mobile, and the other operations they would do for maintaining a roadways.

1617
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:56,620
So that's just that lot.

1618
02:24:56,860 --> 02:25:01,520
And again, looking back across the street, we could see the fuel station, and also a

1619
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:07,520
program that backgrounds, and an intersection at an old key spring road.

1620
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:13,940
One of the things you'll see on the concept plan is they aren't lengthening both the

1621
02:25:13,940 --> 02:25:17,820
through, and the turn lane, they're at old queues ring lane,

1622
02:25:18,340 --> 02:25:20,440
so I'm more storage, but let's talk about that.

1623
02:25:20,620 --> 02:25:22,400
I'm also a little bit later.

1624
02:25:23,780 --> 02:25:27,900
So, Regal sales, the sale of rental, the sale of rental

1625
02:25:27,900 --> 02:25:30,220
with its sale service of commonly used goods,

1626
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,640
and merchandise is for personal or household use,

1627
02:25:32,900 --> 02:25:35,480
but those things are more specifically listed

1628
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:36,680
in our zoning ordinance.

1629
02:25:37,720 --> 02:25:41,600
Obviously it's not permitted in the R3 or R1.

1630
02:25:43,020 --> 02:25:46,880
It's a special use in the C1 and is allowed at I1 and C2.

1631
02:25:47,260 --> 02:25:51,240
So the intent is to clean up the entire site, zone at the C2, where it'd be a permitted

1632
02:25:51,240 --> 02:25:52,120
use.

1633
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:59,280
Existing profit conditions, again, from 1980, 1985, would remove this part of the zoning action.

1634
02:26:01,480 --> 02:26:05,580
Concept plan, the original concept plan will talk about the revised one here in a second.

1635
02:26:06,620 --> 02:26:17,260
Retail sales building, 48,841 square feet, shows the proposed drive through on the eastern side

1636
02:26:17,260 --> 02:26:23,920
of the building, 244 park in spaces, they will provide access both from Old Peace Green

1637
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:28,920
Road and Bramletin, modifying those existing entrances that exist today.

1638
02:26:28,920 --> 02:26:36,000
They show them a full water management facility on the old key spring roadside near the property

1639
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:39,060
nearest old key spring road.

1640
02:26:40,100 --> 02:26:43,040
They are showing landscape buffers, which are required.

1641
02:26:43,180 --> 02:26:45,260
We have C2 next to R1.

1642
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:53,080
They also have sidewalks proposed along the access roads, but also along old key spring road.

1643
02:26:54,180 --> 02:26:57,740
Obviously, they need some rectangular walls to balance the site as well.

1644
02:26:57,740 --> 02:27:04,400
I'm going to show this is also in your packet part of the concept plan.

1645
02:27:04,920 --> 02:27:05,920
I'm going to go back here.

1646
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:09,760
On this diagram there is two cross section lines.

1647
02:27:10,640 --> 02:27:13,300
Section A goes from old case ring.

1648
02:27:14,200 --> 02:27:18,080
Road to the residential subdivision on the eastern side of the property.

1649
02:27:18,900 --> 02:27:26,640
And then section B goes from Brampton Avenue through the building to the back property to the northern property.

1650
02:27:27,300 --> 02:27:36,580
So with those, the first one, the top diagram shows what the cut and fill, the dash line is the existing grade,

1651
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:42,400
what they're shown is the proposed cut and fill on the site.

1652
02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:47,460
Again, so you have on the top photo, all kinds of ring rotors through the right hand side of the diagram,

1653
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:54,320
as you go up to see the access drive and then that you will cut a notch in the topography for the building,

1654
02:27:54,320 --> 02:28:00,280
pad and the parking retaining wall beyond that, and then as you notice, the residential

1655
02:28:00,280 --> 02:28:06,140
subdivision to the eastern side sits higher than where the building is. The bottom

1656
02:28:06,140 --> 02:28:11,020
diagram ramps and avenues on the left-hand side, going back towards the back of the

1657
02:28:11,020 --> 02:28:16,580
property line, you can see where again they're still cutting to put in the building, so

1658
02:28:16,580 --> 02:28:22,840
it will sit a little lower than the current elevations that are on the side. This was also

1659
02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:31,340
in your packet, this is kind of showing the improvements, both to Brampton Avenue and to O.K.

1660
02:28:31,400 --> 02:28:32,440
Spring Road.

1661
02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:38,600
So the entrance off of Brampton Avenue is right in right out.

1662
02:28:38,840 --> 02:28:44,240
They also have a little bit of a turn lane on the property to go into that right in right

1663
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:52,400
out on O.K. Spring Road, like I mentioned earlier, they're lengthening the left turn lane

1664
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:58,240
And the through, you can see where the entrance is lining up with the probe of fuel station,

1665
02:28:59,140 --> 02:29:03,340
the tapered back, having a turn lane that would turn into the site.

1666
02:29:03,820 --> 02:29:10,400
The other thing they show is a 75-foot left turn lane into that entrance as well.

1667
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:15,640
So, a reconfiguration and extension of those roadway of that roadway to make those improvements.

1668
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:24,260
It's just an examining, as I mentioned, five different toning categories with different conditions.

1669
02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:32,100
Surrounding zoning to the north as R1, to the east as C2, to the west as R1 and to the south as R1 and C2.

1670
02:29:32,740 --> 02:29:38,960
So, some commercial development adjacent to it, but also as well, R1.

1671
02:29:39,960 --> 02:29:46,280
The future land is planned, both is transition and neighborhood conservation.

1672
02:29:47,260 --> 02:29:52,220
So transition is a, what future land is area that incurses the Orley Development Highway

1673
02:29:52,220 --> 02:29:57,360
from its parcels, generally serves as the offer between highways and nearby adjacent lower

1674
02:29:57,360 --> 02:29:59,920
as development, reach intense.

1675
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,820
Three tail and highway warning, commercial uses more discouraged. So, again, this proposal is not consistent with that transition, future land use designation.

1676
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:16,740
Name of conservation has been anywhere. It is a future land use where you try to maintain the existing development pattern, it is established single-family neighborhoods.

1677
02:30:18,340 --> 02:30:28,080
And so, to try and encourage that existing development pattern, again, the proposed reasoning is not consistent with that neighborhood conservation, future land use designation.

1678
02:30:30,170 --> 02:30:30,950
Thank you, commission.

1679
02:30:31,450 --> 02:30:36,950
They held a public hearing, November 1st, so a little more than a month ago.

1680
02:30:37,690 --> 02:30:41,890
Had a level of sense of speed during the public hearing, raised a lot of different concerns.

1681
02:30:43,350 --> 02:30:48,430
A lot of concerns were buffers, both of the buffer width, the height of the fencing, lighting,

1682
02:30:48,830 --> 02:30:54,210
was an issue raised traffic, traffic safety, you know, a lot of comments about traffic,

1683
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:59,250
stormwater management, the proximity to the development to neighboring residences.

1684
02:31:00,530 --> 02:31:06,210
At that point, there were no proper submitted with the application, concerns about noise and the

1685
02:31:06,210 --> 02:31:12,590
operation of that retail use, amount of parking for this use type.

1686
02:31:12,850 --> 02:31:15,230
In fact, there was a more parking than was needed.

1687
02:31:16,430 --> 02:31:24,350
Question about property values, the height of the proposed building, and comments about the close proximity

1688
02:31:24,350 --> 02:31:29,370
to it's a grocery store and the need is a need for another grocery store.

1689
02:31:31,350 --> 02:31:36,870
So, the Plan Commissioners closed the public hearing, discussed those issues that were raised.

1690
02:31:37,850 --> 02:31:40,370
They had certain concerns that you wanted to address.

1691
02:31:42,130 --> 02:31:46,030
And one to see if the applicant was willing to go back and address those issues.

1692
02:31:46,410 --> 02:31:51,530
One dealt with, you know, there was no proper dealing with conformers to the concept plan.

1693
02:31:52,270 --> 02:31:59,790
There was concerns about the location of the retail use building, especially on the northern

1694
02:31:59,790 --> 02:32:00,890
property line.

1695
02:32:01,570 --> 02:32:03,830
I'm going to see if there was a way they could increase that buffer.

1696
02:32:04,350 --> 02:32:09,870
Then they talked also to request the conversation about hours of operation and if there

1697
02:32:09,870 --> 02:32:11,650
would be a profit, so should that.

1698
02:32:12,110 --> 02:32:15,150
They postponed action until they're December 6 meeting.

1699
02:32:15,150 --> 02:32:20,890
The applicant has submitted a revised concept plan and signed a proper statement.

1700
02:32:22,110 --> 02:32:24,070
So the revised concept plan,

1701
02:32:26,430 --> 02:32:28,370
what they did was they increased the buffer.

1702
02:32:29,230 --> 02:32:35,590
So the access points generally located, same place, parking, some of the parking got rearranged.

1703
02:32:36,290 --> 02:32:39,830
But they have a 40-foot buffer instead of a 30-foot buffer.

1704
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:43,690
And they also increased the screening.

1705
02:32:44,030 --> 02:32:47,510
As you hard have a six-foot fence, screened fence,

1706
02:32:48,090 --> 02:32:49,910
and they have on their concept plan,

1707
02:32:50,030 --> 02:32:51,630
show what eight-foot screening and long,

1708
02:32:52,070 --> 02:32:53,890
not only the northern property line,

1709
02:32:54,390 --> 02:32:57,370
but also the eastern and the little bit of the southern.

1710
02:32:57,570 --> 02:32:59,990
Wherever are one of buts the property,

1711
02:33:00,730 --> 02:33:02,970
they're showing a 40-foot buffer,

1712
02:33:02,970 --> 02:33:03,790
a landscape buffer,

1713
02:33:04,270 --> 02:33:07,670
and we'll have an eight-foot fence

1714
02:33:09,050 --> 02:33:11,530
on that as part of that buffer.

1715
02:33:14,940 --> 02:33:16,960
Really, it has changed the dynamics issues.

1716
02:33:17,240 --> 02:33:20,860
It has increased buffer with all of these

1717
02:33:20,860 --> 02:33:22,780
processes and wrongs.

1718
02:33:24,060 --> 02:33:27,560
Some of the profits that went along with that revised

1719
02:33:27,560 --> 02:33:30,740
concept plan, is that the site will be developed

1720
02:33:30,740 --> 02:33:32,700
in substantial performance of the concept plan,

1721
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:36,020
prepared by Lemston Associates, data in August 30th,

1722
02:33:36,700 --> 02:33:39,500
2022, and revised November 30th, 2022.

1723
02:33:39,500 --> 02:33:45,100
suggesting change required during the conference of site plan, review process, and then

1724
02:33:45,100 --> 02:33:50,000
hours of operation, hoping the public shall be in the earlier than 6am and earlier than 12am

1725
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:50,940
each day.

1726
02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:57,500
So, on December 6th, the Plan and Commission voted to recommend approval of the Resonatory

1727
02:33:57,500 --> 02:33:59,920
request with those two proper conditions.

1728
02:34:01,900 --> 02:34:04,020
Then, take any questions in the afternoon.

1729
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:07,440
Board member, have any questions, Mr. Bradford?

1730
02:34:11,060 --> 02:34:13,640
Bill, what's hours off operation mean?

1731
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:17,640
So, it's just when they're open to the public.

1732
02:34:19,140 --> 02:34:25,080
There's some conversation about, you know, that involve, you know, some stores will restock at night,

1733
02:34:25,340 --> 02:34:29,920
so it wouldn't prohibit that amount into the store would not be open to the public.

1734
02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:39,280
Okay, so how about dumpsters coming at 3, 3am and a moron and dumps and stuff, how was that to me and handle?

1735
02:34:40,260 --> 02:34:42,200
I will let the applicant address that.

1736
02:34:42,220 --> 02:34:47,080
I think they can speak about the operations of the intended user of property.

1737
02:34:47,940 --> 02:34:49,200
Okay, I think they'll address that.

1738
02:34:49,420 --> 02:34:55,760
Okay, I think it's not, I think what they're going to say is I thought they'll work around that and do it during the hours of operation,

1739
02:34:56,460 --> 02:34:57,520
but I'll let them speak to that.

1740
02:34:57,520 --> 02:35:01,920
Okay, and you talked about the parking, there's a lot.

1741
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:03,940
There's more parking than the most required.

1742
02:35:04,300 --> 02:35:07,260
Did we require that, or did the applicant do that?

1743
02:35:07,620 --> 02:35:08,220
Absolutely, typically.

1744
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:11,460
So there's certain, and this is good.

1745
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:13,400
There was then, for example, Tagwood Mall.

1746
02:35:13,700 --> 02:35:16,900
Our requirement is a lot less than what a retailer

1747
02:35:16,900 --> 02:35:22,980
we want to have for their lease or for what they require

1748
02:35:22,980 --> 02:35:24,980
as part of them to be able to develop.

1749
02:35:24,980 --> 02:35:31,020
They have a certain criteria, so much part spaces for values for feet, typically it's higher

1750
02:35:31,020 --> 02:35:32,000
than the counter-fars.

1751
02:35:33,780 --> 02:35:39,340
And then where they added the additional storage, how many vehicles does that add?

1752
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:40,540
I'll let them speak for that.

1753
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:45,120
They have a better length of what that does, as far as they have their traffic engineer

1754
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:46,040
who's here as well.

1755
02:35:46,180 --> 02:35:46,540
Okay.

1756
02:35:46,540 --> 02:35:49,840
Well, as Lumpston associate, if you have any questions about the concept plain.

1757
02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:50,740
Okay.

1758
02:35:51,860 --> 02:35:52,560
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1759
02:35:55,260 --> 02:36:00,980
Do we have a representative of the petitioner here, and would you or she like to speak?

1760
02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:06,540
Also, if you have other questions for V dot, we do have a V dot representative here as well.

1761
02:36:17,970 --> 02:36:18,670
Excuse me.

1762
02:36:18,670 --> 02:36:20,330
Excuse me.

1763
02:36:20,410 --> 02:36:20,550
There.

1764
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:21,810
I got it.

1765
02:36:47,490 --> 02:36:47,510
Sir.

1766
02:36:48,390 --> 02:36:49,330
Thank you.

1767
02:36:51,710 --> 02:36:52,470
Good evening.

1768
02:36:53,230 --> 02:36:55,490
I'm Alan Maynuss with Barnett Properties.

1769
02:36:55,490 --> 02:37:03,390
We're based in Henderson, North Carolina with offices in Raleigh, North Carolina also, with me here tonight is Hall of Barnet, President of our company.

1770
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:12,170
Our traffic engineer Larry Green, with weather-relangeneering, and Andrew Lampton with Lums and Associates here in Rona.

1771
02:37:16,200 --> 02:37:26,980
This is a look at the properties subject to this petition. We have 11 parcels, totaling 9.38 acres, and as you can tell by the way you read that into the record,

1772
02:37:26,980 --> 02:37:29,060
that's a mix bag of zoning currently.

1773
02:37:31,020 --> 02:37:34,940
There are two existing residents that have lived on the property for more than 40 years

1774
02:37:34,940 --> 02:37:39,180
and you can see that the two houses at the top of the driveway there.

1775
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:44,200
And then also the DOT property is, as I was mentioned, Mr. Thompson.

1776
02:37:46,620 --> 02:37:52,240
There are the site drains generally, this plan is oriented with north to the right of the

1777
02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:58,400
So the site drains generally from West East was run off in entering

1778
02:37:58,400 --> 02:38:01,720
Medley Creek at the Northeast corner of the site.

1779
02:38:02,100 --> 02:38:04,520
Around 90 feet of fall across the site.

1780
02:38:06,850 --> 02:38:10,410
This is the revised concept plan that was a result of the planning

1781
02:38:10,410 --> 02:38:11,370
Commission hearing.

1782
02:38:12,250 --> 02:38:16,770
We went back and worked with the tenant to arrive at the 40 foot buffer.

1783
02:38:17,610 --> 02:38:20,870
It took some of the sizing in the site, but we think we can make that work.

1784
02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:26,930
As you will see, there are the full access driveway, will be on the old case where he rode.

1785
02:38:27,610 --> 02:38:30,290
The right-and-right out driveway, the Bramble and the Avenue,

1786
02:38:33,390 --> 02:38:39,630
the grading will require some significant retaining walls to accommodate this, both in the gut side and the fill side.

1787
02:38:41,710 --> 02:38:46,870
And as we said, a fairly steep topography is fairly typical of this area.

1788
02:38:49,010 --> 02:38:53,410
In addition to the 40 foot landscape properties, which exceed the 30 feet required by ordinance,

1789
02:38:53,650 --> 02:38:59,170
we are offering the eight foot screen fence against all residential properties, which exceeds

1790
02:38:59,170 --> 02:39:00,370
the six foot requirement.

1791
02:39:02,090 --> 02:39:06,450
Site lighting will meet your ordinance as well and use cut off site fixtures to eliminate

1792
02:39:06,450 --> 02:39:12,010
glare to the besides to really force the light down on to the parking area, which is

1793
02:39:12,010 --> 02:39:12,570
the intent.

1794
02:39:14,140 --> 02:39:28,600
The two cross sections, which you've already seen once again, go too long on these, other than say really from the West, coming down to the store, it sits well below those neighboring properties in that direction.

1795
02:39:29,700 --> 02:39:35,600
And any light poles would be of the type that would cast that light down, not upper sideways.

1796
02:39:39,050 --> 02:39:42,730
Let Larry talk about some of the findings from the traffic, his traffic study.

1797
02:39:44,850 --> 02:39:45,750
Thank you, Alan.

1798
02:39:46,450 --> 02:39:53,230
Again, prior to our study, we consulted V dot and wrote out county to determine what intersections

1799
02:39:53,230 --> 02:39:57,450
we might study to analyze the impact of the proposed development.

1800
02:39:58,870 --> 02:40:02,730
And we came up with V dot and consultation with V dot.

1801
02:40:02,850 --> 02:40:05,930
We came up with six intersections that we would study.

1802
02:40:05,930 --> 02:40:14,190
One particular finding that we noted that at the U.S. 221 at Old Cave Spring Road, we did

1803
02:40:15,150 --> 02:40:25,030
find a poor level of service during the Saturday peak hour, a level of service, but when

1804
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:26,070
we

1805
02:40:28,920 --> 02:40:33,840
analyzed that intersection, we came up with an improvement to basically lengthen the right

1806
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:42,960
from Bramleton Avenue all the way back to our site, which help the Q&A significantly and

1807
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:48,640
actually improve the level of service down to an acceptable level of service D operations.

1808
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:58,040
In addition, we strike day 75 foot inbound left turn lane, one over cave spring,

1809
02:40:58,380 --> 02:41:01,760
row two comedy traffic coming from that direction.

1810
02:41:12,480 --> 02:41:19,540
The next thing I want to show you is conceptual elevations of what the building might look like.

1811
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:24,500
Let's say these are conceptual and subject to be modified as we move to the process,

1812
02:41:25,340 --> 02:41:29,300
but important features will be it's predominantly brick building on our sides,

1813
02:41:30,120 --> 02:41:36,680
and using mixture of materials and some articulation of the building to give it some relief

1814
02:41:36,680 --> 02:41:39,180
and some architectural interest as well.

1815
02:41:40,620 --> 02:41:47,660
So, in conclusion, few things to note, further ordinance C2 is intended for the major arterial

1816
02:41:47,660 --> 02:41:51,620
roads and anyone that's driven and ramble to and I think would agree that it would meet

1817
02:41:51,620 --> 02:41:52,520
that test.

1818
02:41:54,160 --> 02:41:59,000
We are, by the request, down zoning of portion of the property from industrial to commercial,

1819
02:42:00,220 --> 02:42:04,760
not to mention that current residents have lived beside an industrial, he's on site

1820
02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:09,260
from decades now this would clean up some of that incongruity.

1821
02:42:11,440 --> 02:42:17,440
One measure of the intensity of development is floor area ratios, the ratio of your square

1822
02:42:17,440 --> 02:42:19,880
footers of floor two, the square footer of your property.

1823
02:42:20,740 --> 02:42:28,440
Our proposal would be a low FAR of only 0.12 or 12 percent, that's half or less of many

1824
02:42:28,440 --> 02:42:36,320
the other commercial properties long-brampton that have significantly higher FALs, that's

1825
02:42:36,320 --> 02:42:41,120
more consistent with the small scale planned and clustered retail that's discussed in

1826
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:47,720
transition area. There'd be minimal impact above the infrastructure and less than a

1827
02:42:47,720 --> 02:42:53,420
multifamily proposal would have on this site, minimal impact above exactly and once again less

1828
02:42:53,420 --> 02:42:56,500
and the multi-family proposal would have.

1829
02:42:56,840 --> 02:42:59,820
The roadway improvements will fully mitigate the traffic

1830
02:42:59,820 --> 02:43:01,780
and his own respects, as I mentioned,

1831
02:43:01,980 --> 02:43:03,560
improve it or what it is today.

1832
02:43:04,740 --> 02:43:06,460
Would that we appreciate your consideration

1833
02:43:06,460 --> 02:43:08,340
and have it in taking questions?

1834
02:43:11,490 --> 02:43:12,070
Mr. Raffer?

1835
02:43:12,370 --> 02:43:13,170
Yeah, thank you.

1836
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:16,970
So I asked the questions that Mr. Thompson answered.

1837
02:43:18,550 --> 02:43:22,890
So why so much more parking than a bug of the standard?

1838
02:43:23,550 --> 02:43:25,910
Absolutely a requirement of the tenant.

1839
02:43:26,770 --> 02:43:32,330
But we would not necessarily want that much, but it's the question has been asked in

1840
02:43:32,330 --> 02:43:38,090
a answered they must have a, especially with a standalone store where there is no other

1841
02:43:38,090 --> 02:43:43,190
businesses to share parking with that ratio is important to them.

1842
02:43:43,490 --> 02:43:47,850
Are they planning that code lease in that building or are they going to be the only kind of?

1843
02:43:47,890 --> 02:43:49,310
No, it'll be a single tenant.

1844
02:43:49,450 --> 02:43:49,850
Thank you.

1845
02:43:50,310 --> 02:43:50,630
All right.

1846
02:43:52,170 --> 02:44:03,690
So back to the traffic gap, you put in the extra length, how much stacking do we pick up on that intersection, how many cars, number of cars, the old.

1847
02:44:07,450 --> 02:44:10,630
You're talking about from 221 back to our driveway.

1848
02:44:10,870 --> 02:44:11,470
Correct.

1849
02:44:12,990 --> 02:44:14,710
On old case for anyway.

1850
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:20,830
I think we can accommodate about 20 vehicles in that, which is significantly longer than what we can do.

1851
02:44:21,070 --> 02:44:22,970
20 more or a total of that.

1852
02:44:22,970 --> 02:44:23,970
About 20 total?

1853
02:44:24,830 --> 02:44:25,070
Okay.

1854
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:27,430
That's just in that right, turnally.

1855
02:44:27,790 --> 02:44:28,650
The right turnally.

1856
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:29,870
All right.

1857
02:44:30,130 --> 02:44:32,170
So we've got three lanes there.

1858
02:44:32,590 --> 02:44:32,690
Yes.

1859
02:44:33,150 --> 02:44:33,370
Okay.

1860
02:44:33,390 --> 02:44:34,410
You got the turn-lapse.

1861
02:44:34,410 --> 02:44:36,570
You got the straight going through and the right.

1862
02:44:36,770 --> 02:44:37,110
Yes.

1863
02:44:38,250 --> 02:44:38,470
Yes.

1864
02:44:38,530 --> 02:44:40,370
And that was really the problem.

1865
02:44:40,370 --> 02:44:49,210
currently is that the right-turn demand to go south on to 21 is great and what happens is

1866
02:44:49,210 --> 02:44:53,790
because of that short-right-turnway now it stills into the thrilling and actually attempts

1867
02:44:53,790 --> 02:44:59,590
it's certain times Q's back, which would be beyond our driveway now, but will we?

1868
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,720
Even with building our project, when we lengthen that right turn lane all the way back to our driveway, that

1869
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:12,300
cleans up the queue and the queue actually doesn't reach the driveway, wherever we're imposing.

1870
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:17,300
So, and that's why the level of service dropped from it to acceptable level of service.

1871
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:23,420
Okay. So, then the right-in right-out driveway to Brimmelton will, you know, drive traffic, right?

1872
02:45:23,420 --> 02:45:25,340
I mean, it's not even good for that intersection.

1873
02:45:26,700 --> 02:45:40,080
I'm reading some notes that I got from some citizens, one says that the traffic study, but there was no traffic study between the intersection of K-Spring Lane and an old K-Spring Road.

1874
02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:44,060
Is that information you got from VDOT or...

1875
02:45:46,450 --> 02:45:49,970
So you back up, you got to back up to get to that intersection?

1876
02:45:49,970 --> 02:45:59,290
So, yes, when we stoked our study, B.D. did not demate as a critical intersection to analyze, so we did not analyze that particular discussion.

1877
02:46:00,110 --> 02:46:01,790
So, B.D. was, yes.

1878
02:46:03,190 --> 02:46:03,850
We're ready.

1879
02:46:08,330 --> 02:46:09,430
That's all I've got to track with.

1880
02:46:09,430 --> 02:46:11,150
Just a couple more questions.

1881
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:15,370
The fence, you're going to,

1882
02:46:15,370 --> 02:46:18,570
8-foot fence, what's your material going to be on that?

1883
02:46:19,710 --> 02:46:21,290
It's looking for maintenance.

1884
02:46:22,030 --> 02:46:25,610
Yeah, I mean, that comes into a wheel on it and maintain it.

1885
02:46:25,970 --> 02:46:29,410
The intention is a privacy fence, a bank,

1886
02:46:29,410 --> 02:46:32,990
that you, a physical and a visual barrier.

1887
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:37,730
So the 100% of the bank, whether that's water vinyl or...

1888
02:46:39,750 --> 02:46:42,530
So I'll also ask earlier.

1889
02:46:47,570 --> 02:46:51,630
What's the tenets policy of the old dumping dumpsters?

1890
02:46:52,770 --> 02:46:56,510
The tenets will contract with waste management just like every other business here.

1891
02:46:56,890 --> 02:47:01,350
It's hard to control waste management or place a condition upon the waste management.

1892
02:47:01,910 --> 02:47:04,470
They would communicate to them that they would prefer it there in the day.

1893
02:47:04,690 --> 02:47:08,330
But I believe your noise ordinance would come into play there.

1894
02:47:08,690 --> 02:47:10,610
Also if they were doing it through all hours.

1895
02:47:10,610 --> 02:47:11,410
Okay.

1896
02:47:12,190 --> 02:47:12,390
Right.

1897
02:47:12,490 --> 02:47:13,150
The county ordinance.

1898
02:47:13,370 --> 02:47:13,890
What would it be?

1899
02:47:14,470 --> 02:47:15,750
That is anywhere else.

1900
02:47:17,110 --> 02:47:20,630
So, a question to my attorney, our theater.

1901
02:47:21,250 --> 02:47:22,150
Yes, sir.

1902
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:23,650
Noise ordinance.

1903
02:47:24,170 --> 02:47:24,810
7 a.m.

1904
02:47:24,930 --> 02:47:25,190
Correct?

1905
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:26,070
7 a.m.

1906
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:27,850
Till 10 p.m.

1907
02:47:28,650 --> 02:47:31,510
Generally, that is the hours for the noise ordinance.

1908
02:47:31,790 --> 02:47:35,810
I'll pull that up right now as we're speaking just to verify that that specifically applies

1909
02:47:35,810 --> 02:47:36,970
to this situation.

1910
02:47:37,550 --> 02:47:37,790
Okay.

1911
02:47:38,650 --> 02:47:39,050
Thank you.

1912
02:47:39,050 --> 02:47:44,090
And the Senate would communicate that to the hall or but I'm on your waste management's aware of that.

1913
02:47:44,390 --> 02:47:46,490
Probably since they're already serving area.

1914
02:47:46,730 --> 02:47:46,970
Gotcha.

1915
02:47:47,390 --> 02:47:47,530
Okay.

1916
02:47:47,770 --> 02:47:48,510
Very good.

1917
02:47:49,170 --> 02:47:50,590
That's all I have for right now.

1918
02:47:50,870 --> 02:47:51,250
Mr. Ron.

1919
02:47:51,370 --> 02:47:52,630
Question on the lighting.

1920
02:47:53,810 --> 02:48:01,250
In the neighborhood I live in there, some citizens can find about lighting on the Jason retail business.

1921
02:48:03,290 --> 02:48:04,870
And they change the lighting.

1922
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:12,510
and they put in, and just to take what you might want to add to this, they put in some lighting

1923
02:48:12,510 --> 02:48:13,830
that didn't show so much clarity.

1924
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:19,190
They put like the deflectors, so what I'm trying to say on the lights, two questions.

1925
02:48:19,330 --> 02:48:21,690
How high are these light poles going to be?

1926
02:48:21,890 --> 02:48:25,310
Are they going to be higher than the buffer fence?

1927
02:48:26,050 --> 02:48:29,870
And secondly, are they going to have deflectors on them?

1928
02:48:30,610 --> 02:48:36,890
The way we plan to use cut-off shields is the term, yes, with the way it helps to cast

1929
02:48:36,890 --> 02:48:37,810
that light down.

1930
02:48:38,330 --> 02:48:44,010
It'd be a shoe box type fixture that only shines down does not shine up.

1931
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:48,450
I mean, when you get into design pole heights, very important to that.

1932
02:48:48,450 --> 02:48:55,070
At 30 feet typically, it becomes, you're, you're, the shorter the poles, the more poles

1933
02:48:55,070 --> 02:48:57,150
you're going to have to get the adequate light level.

1934
02:48:57,150 --> 02:49:01,730
So 30 feet is a typical, so the fence is going to be like 40 feet.

1935
02:49:02,250 --> 02:49:04,670
Well, 40 foot wide buffer with an eight foot fence.

1936
02:49:05,130 --> 02:49:06,450
OK, so there's a cross section.

1937
02:49:06,630 --> 02:49:09,710
Cross section showed you,

1938
02:49:11,930 --> 02:49:13,070
they would not be taller than,

1939
02:49:13,690 --> 02:49:16,450
not yet to the level of the residences to the west.

1940
02:49:17,250 --> 02:49:19,610
So that's where the parking field really is.

1941
02:49:20,130 --> 02:49:23,990
At the back of the store, they wouldn't need to be as tall.

1942
02:49:24,570 --> 02:49:26,830
That's not the real parking field.

1943
02:49:28,890 --> 02:49:34,090
Mr. Chairman, I have found applicable provisions of the noise ordinance and to answer Mr.

1944
02:49:34,130 --> 02:49:37,250
Radford's question, there are two provisions of the noise ordinance that would be

1945
02:49:37,250 --> 02:49:38,350
used to lack a bowl plate.

1946
02:49:38,650 --> 02:49:39,190
Yes, of course.

1947
02:49:39,770 --> 02:49:44,030
There are the two provisions of the noise ordinance that would potentially apply the first

1948
02:49:44,030 --> 02:49:50,010
is the loading or unloading of trucks outdoors within 100 yards of a residential dwelling

1949
02:49:50,010 --> 02:49:56,350
between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. the following day that could be a violation

1950
02:49:56,350 --> 02:50:03,890
The second is the operation of a trash collection vehicle between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m.

1951
02:50:04,310 --> 02:50:11,270
and such a manner as to be plainly audible at any residence 100 or more yards away.

1952
02:50:14,600 --> 02:50:16,000
Sounds like waste management.

1953
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:18,340
It's got to listen to our ordinance.

1954
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:20,420
I'm sure they've been told that before.

1955
02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:20,980
I guess.

1956
02:50:21,300 --> 02:50:24,040
Invite me to remind them of that.

1957
02:50:25,560 --> 02:50:26,720
Any other questions?

1958
02:50:28,020 --> 02:50:29,560
Mr. Trafford person.

1959
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:38,500
I want to follow up, but maybe I didn't understand Mr. Radford's question about

1960
02:50:38,500 --> 02:50:49,720
Q. If I am driving from 221 from Bramilton, and I'm going to make the left hand turn,

1961
02:50:49,980 --> 02:50:52,520
I guess what I would call the main entrance in and out.

1962
02:50:52,520 --> 02:50:59,100
When I look at the concept plan, they had a 75-foot distance.

1963
02:51:00,660 --> 02:51:05,800
It is a 75-foot distance, the length of the left turn lane.

1964
02:51:06,120 --> 02:51:08,380
It is the length of the storage lane now.

1965
02:51:08,940 --> 02:51:14,520
So keep in mind, and again, that holds about 3-3 vehicles or so.

1966
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:19,340
We're anticipating that most of the traffic coming from 2-21,

1967
02:51:19,340 --> 02:51:25,260
but actually choose to use the right and right out access on 221 to access the site.

1968
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:33,360
There could be people coming in on okay spring road as well, but when we did our Q&A analysis,

1969
02:51:34,100 --> 02:51:35,700
75 feet was all that's required.

1970
02:51:36,060 --> 02:51:42,220
However, if more stacking is needed, it's going to be basically a back-to-back left-turn

1971
02:51:42,220 --> 02:51:46,740
lane so that some of those vehicles could spill into the opposing left-turn lane that

1972
02:51:46,740 --> 02:51:48,040
service to 21.

1973
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:52,320
So your hope is more people will use the right

1974
02:51:52,320 --> 02:51:55,040
in right out off of Brambleton.

1975
02:51:55,640 --> 02:51:58,820
And that the other traffic load will

1976
02:51:58,820 --> 02:52:01,680
be coming from the other direction on OK

1977
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:03,040
of spring to make the right turn.

1978
02:52:03,620 --> 02:52:05,680
But that's the hope.

1979
02:52:07,160 --> 02:52:09,840
But again, it's a queueing is not enough.

1980
02:52:10,380 --> 02:52:12,240
We're not going to prevent more than three of you.

1981
02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:13,700
I understand to do that.

1982
02:52:13,780 --> 02:52:15,080
Thank you.

1983
02:52:15,080 --> 02:52:18,020
I've got a very good question then.

1984
02:52:19,100 --> 02:52:25,640
So if you're coming east on Bramilton, and you're going to turn left on the open case

1985
02:52:25,640 --> 02:52:30,000
spring road, then you're going to go left, because that's where a lot of you traffic stand

1986
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:35,260
to come from, because everybody lives that direction, a lot of them do.

1987
02:52:38,380 --> 02:52:42,100
So there's not a separate left-handling to turn.

1988
02:52:42,940 --> 02:52:46,480
I'm sorry to turn left into the site, you're talking about that.

1989
02:52:47,020 --> 02:52:48,880
Oh, okay.

1990
02:52:52,200 --> 02:52:52,540
Excuse me.

1991
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:53,000
Come here.

1992
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:55,180
Are you talking about the turn line on Brambleton?

1993
02:52:55,360 --> 02:52:56,620
Or at our entrance from O.K.

1994
02:52:56,780 --> 02:52:58,580
The entrance at O.K.

1995
02:52:58,600 --> 02:53:00,080
Spring Road.

1996
02:53:02,190 --> 02:53:05,390
Your turn left into the site.

1997
02:53:05,570 --> 02:53:08,070
You're right there at the entrance of the Crogour gas.

1998
02:53:08,470 --> 02:53:08,990
Yes.

1999
02:53:09,130 --> 02:53:09,630
There's nothing.

2000
02:53:09,990 --> 02:53:11,270
Is there anything there to stack?

2001
02:53:11,430 --> 02:53:13,070
Or is that the 75 feet?

2002
02:53:13,070 --> 02:53:15,810
Yeah, there's a dedicated left turn.

2003
02:53:16,250 --> 02:53:16,670
Okay, yes.

2004
02:53:17,690 --> 02:53:19,670
That's hard to see on this.

2005
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:22,030
Here's your drawing here.

2006
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:23,110
I couldn't.

2007
02:53:26,430 --> 02:53:27,430
Could you?

2008
02:53:27,430 --> 02:53:33,950
Could you put whatever slide number it is that has the concept plan so that people can see it?

2009
02:53:34,110 --> 02:53:44,250
And I mean, I'm assuming that many of the citizens will probably want to refer to the concept plan, either that or

2010
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:55,390
I was, I was concerned because I was concerned because if I'm coming from where I live in

2011
02:53:55,390 --> 02:54:01,590
K-Spring I'm coming down colonial, I'm crossing over Brambleton and I probably keep on

2012
02:54:01,590 --> 02:54:16,790
going straight through the intersection and then I want to make a left turn, what like

2013
02:54:16,790 --> 02:54:21,950
in 75, I don't know, I guess they have a lot of charges, but my point is you're going to

2014
02:54:21,950 --> 02:54:26,070
back up and you might be blocking the through traffic.

2015
02:54:27,210 --> 02:54:34,710
Well, you could actually go into a little bit of the opposing left turn line, so you would be blocking

2016
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:35,630
the through traffic.

2017
02:54:35,930 --> 02:54:36,310
I understand.

2018
02:54:37,730 --> 02:54:41,570
But it's our hope that a fair amount of people would, if you're coming across colonial

2019
02:54:41,570 --> 02:54:44,910
would choose to turn left and then be right into the site.

2020
02:54:45,990 --> 02:54:51,110
And I'm sure I'll make many people mad in the audience, because since I live in K-Spring

2021
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:53,850
I tend to use that as a cut-through to get the 419.

2022
02:54:54,690 --> 02:54:58,630
I don't go to immediately up Shaperrell and make the left I use that as sort of the back

2023
02:54:58,630 --> 02:54:59,810
way around.

2024
02:55:01,150 --> 02:55:02,910
I don't think that's a secret call.

2025
02:55:02,910 --> 02:55:03,930
Oh no, I can see that.

2026
02:55:04,130 --> 02:55:09,270
I just, so I can see a lot of traffic coming, you know, as you're coming down colonial

2027
02:55:09,270 --> 02:55:13,750
when you cross over, that is a heavily trafficked intersection.

2028
02:55:15,010 --> 02:55:16,490
Any other questions for the applicant?

2029
02:55:18,290 --> 02:55:21,070
Mr. Radford, I know you had some,

2030
02:55:21,210 --> 02:55:24,630
VDOT question, would you want to ask the VDOT folks to speak,

2031
02:55:24,790 --> 02:55:27,590
or would you rather I go into the public hearing?

2032
02:55:27,810 --> 02:55:29,170
Yeah, no, in the public hearing.

2033
02:55:29,910 --> 02:55:31,470
I'm a hold on the need to go.

2034
02:55:31,630 --> 02:55:32,390
Thank you.

2035
02:55:32,510 --> 02:55:32,790
Thank you.

2036
02:55:32,870 --> 02:55:35,070
We may have some questions later.

2037
02:55:36,270 --> 02:55:38,810
I would like to open the public hearing.

2038
02:55:39,810 --> 02:55:43,750
I'd like to remind the speakers to please state your name and your address,

2039
02:55:44,450 --> 02:55:46,950
and try to speak into the microphones at the podium,

2040
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:49,450
and so you have to, if you have to pull them down a little bit,

2041
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:51,750
so that everybody can hear, that would be good.

2042
02:55:52,530 --> 02:55:53,470
You have three minutes.

2043
02:55:53,970 --> 02:55:54,750
We have

2044
02:55:57,530 --> 02:55:58,890
18 speakers.

2045
02:56:01,010 --> 02:56:04,450
So what will happen is, I'll probably take a break.

2046
02:56:04,450 --> 02:56:06,910
some time in the middle of that time.

2047
02:56:07,890 --> 02:56:10,350
So let's start with the first speaker.

2048
02:56:10,990 --> 02:56:16,090
Speaker number one is KC Hohog.

2049
02:56:16,850 --> 02:56:17,490
Is that close?

2050
02:56:18,170 --> 02:56:18,270
Yes.

2051
02:56:20,590 --> 02:56:21,270
Thank you, sir.

2052
02:56:21,710 --> 02:56:22,450
Thank you.

2053
02:56:25,460 --> 02:56:26,180
Please check.

2054
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:28,180
Can you put this on the screen?

2055
02:56:31,350 --> 02:56:32,490
This is the same thing.

2056
02:56:39,320 --> 02:56:39,440
Yes.

2057
02:56:49,710 --> 02:56:53,410
I think that's slide 19, Phillip.

2058
02:56:57,540 --> 02:56:57,920
I did.

2059
02:57:09,960 --> 02:57:12,060
You want to exist the original?

2060
02:57:14,600 --> 02:57:16,580
I just need to.

2061
02:57:17,880 --> 02:57:18,920
Thank you.

2062
02:57:35,320 --> 02:57:36,160
Thank you.

2063
02:57:38,830 --> 02:57:42,450
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Paul Limis.

2064
02:57:43,230 --> 02:57:45,050
My name is Casey Wong.

2065
02:57:45,050 --> 02:57:54,370
I'm the majority owner and H.O.A. manager of a competent comer, 45-15-45-25-25-bombaton

2066
02:57:54,370 --> 02:57:54,790
Avenue.

2067
02:57:55,630 --> 02:57:58,310
That was just one very

2068
02:58:07,300 --> 02:58:12,820
concerned about the 18 small business in a competent comer in

2069
02:58:12,820 --> 02:58:21,000
Co. 4 medical office. They take care more than 100 patient daily. They all depend on

2070
02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:28,060
one entry, only one entry. The new development proposed there's second entry and an

2071
02:58:28,060 --> 02:58:33,960
asset at a government in the avenue where we prevent the car asset from the government

2072
02:58:33,960 --> 02:58:41,460
and come and come. In no more traffic, car asset from the government and come and had to wait

2073
02:58:41,460 --> 02:58:50,860
for the traffic light break for other cars mercy. In the new development put second asset in

2074
02:58:50,860 --> 02:58:58,420
one more than ever. There will be first, get into the one more than ever. Carp from the

2075
02:58:58,420 --> 02:59:07,440
one more than common, will never get a chance to ask it. It will choke the 18 small business.

2076
02:59:09,220 --> 02:59:19,300
Even majority member feel need to pass the return request. I'm here respectfully asking all

2077
02:59:19,300 --> 02:59:27,220
a vulnerable member to make a small change on a resume request and give the 18 small business

2078
02:59:27,220 --> 02:59:34,400
in Bombay to come and a change to survive. By making the new development, second-end-rend

2079
02:59:34,400 --> 02:59:43,060
asset, and a longer-than-evident, inter-only, inter-only. Since there have been a men-entrant

2080
02:59:43,060 --> 02:59:46,840
And it is an all-case screen row already.

2081
02:59:48,140 --> 02:59:50,620
Also, if it is a grid of all.

2082
02:59:51,180 --> 02:59:54,180
The traffic like an all-case screen row

2083
02:59:54,180 --> 02:59:57,200
and a bump at an avenue, or irregularly,

2084
02:59:57,280 --> 02:59:59,980
the car is set for the new development to the bump.

2085
03:00:15,300 --> 03:00:29,980
The next speaker, we have a request of this speaker was unable to be here, but I believe she

2086
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:34,540
has asked the clerk to read her letter into the record.

2087
03:00:35,340 --> 03:00:36,800
And that's our next speaker.

2088
03:00:38,900 --> 03:00:46,120
Joe Ann, my one, Holly of 52-06, Bradford Circle, previously

2089
03:00:46,120 --> 03:00:49,020
of 76-52, one, Barry Terrell.

2090
03:00:50,080 --> 03:00:53,220
I have been a resident of Ronald Kelly from us 30 years.

2091
03:00:54,100 --> 03:00:57,100
For most of this time, I was working at the Veterans of Fair

2092
03:00:57,100 --> 03:00:58,520
Medical Center in Salem.

2093
03:00:59,220 --> 03:01:04,580
As such, I'll travel daily through the intersection at which this construction is proposed.

2094
03:01:05,340 --> 03:01:10,020
Over those 28 working years, I have watched at the congestion at that intersection

2095
03:01:10,500 --> 03:01:14,220
as steadily increased as more residential areas were developed.

2096
03:01:15,280 --> 03:01:20,040
In the evening commute time, the line of waiting cars can reach back quite away

2097
03:01:20,040 --> 03:01:22,440
on the whole case being road toward McDiddy Road.

2098
03:01:22,440 --> 03:01:31,140
In 2021, a year after my retirement, I moved off Mason's knob and now located only 0.5 miles

2099
03:01:31,140 --> 03:01:34,560
from the intersection of Old Cave Spring Browlton and Colonial Abonies.

2100
03:01:35,340 --> 03:01:40,620
Since my main egress is through the intersection being considered, I have found that area

2101
03:01:40,620 --> 03:01:42,220
is conjected.

2102
03:01:42,540 --> 03:01:47,960
Excuse me, is conjected often during the day in addition to working commute times.

2103
03:01:47,960 --> 03:01:54,580
I feel that the addition of another large grocery store in that particular location will contribute

2104
03:01:54,580 --> 03:02:00,140
to the probability of increased traffic accidents, and an already congested and highly

2105
03:02:00,140 --> 03:02:01,120
traveled intersection.

2106
03:02:02,040 --> 03:02:06,720
Secondly, I question the need for another supermarket across the street from a current

2107
03:02:06,720 --> 03:02:12,900
Quargrst store, 0.8 miles from another Quargrst store, and 2.4 miles from a futile on

2108
03:02:12,900 --> 03:02:18,060
I would like to quote, surely there are other areas of the county with a lesser density

2109
03:02:18,060 --> 03:02:22,400
of grocery shopping choices that might be a better location choice.

2110
03:02:23,660 --> 03:02:24,800
Thank you.

2111
03:02:25,320 --> 03:02:29,520
My next speaker is Mr. Scal, your next.

2112
03:02:44,470 --> 03:02:51,430
We will even scan member of Board of Directors for me to play some owners association LLC-41815.

2113
03:02:51,430 --> 03:02:55,470
For me, it's in place. Court run up for June 24, 0-18.

2114
03:02:56,410 --> 03:03:00,150
For me, it can place homeowner's association or all comment part 1,

2115
03:03:00,530 --> 03:03:03,110
zoning and future land use designations.

2116
03:03:03,790 --> 03:03:05,990
But evening Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

2117
03:03:06,990 --> 03:03:08,810
For me, it can place homeowner's association,

2118
03:03:09,130 --> 03:03:12,030
respectfully requested that the Ronald County Board of Supervisors

2119
03:03:12,030 --> 03:03:16,130
not approve the rezoning application submitted by Barnett Properties

2120
03:03:16,130 --> 03:03:19,230
for the construction of a grocery store at Brampton Avenue

2121
03:03:19,230 --> 03:03:20,890
and Old Castering Road.

2122
03:03:21,690 --> 03:03:27,430
The Barnett Properties grocery store project is forcing commercial development into a predominantly

2123
03:03:27,430 --> 03:03:31,330
residential area and onto residential land.

2124
03:03:31,910 --> 03:03:36,290
Over two-thirds of the proposed projects land is zoned residential.

2125
03:03:37,150 --> 03:03:43,130
Using a few small parcels, zoned commercial and industrial, as an excuse to rezone all

2126
03:03:43,130 --> 03:03:47,970
of this land commercial, simply compounds the original rezoning mistakes.

2127
03:03:47,970 --> 03:03:53,510
The Ronald County government has repeatedly said that the county very much needs more housing,

2128
03:03:54,150 --> 03:03:59,550
particularly along the 419 corridor, and that land zone residential is becoming increasingly

2129
03:03:59,550 --> 03:04:00,230
scarce.

2130
03:04:00,910 --> 03:04:06,910
Thus, the highest and best use for this land actually is residential, as most of it is currently

2131
03:04:06,910 --> 03:04:08,750
zone, not commercial.

2132
03:04:09,290 --> 03:04:14,070
This project runs counter to the county's development priorities, and will be taking away

2133
03:04:14,070 --> 03:04:16,390
land that could fulfill them.

2134
03:04:16,390 --> 03:04:22,710
In fact, according to the Ronald County Comprehensive Plan, future land use designations

2135
03:04:22,710 --> 03:04:28,010
about two-thirds of the land where the proposed grocery store will be located is designated

2136
03:04:28,010 --> 03:04:28,750
transition.

2137
03:04:29,490 --> 03:04:35,310
The remaining one-third is designated residential conservation, thus future development on

2138
03:04:35,310 --> 03:04:37,210
this land is supposed to be residential.

2139
03:04:38,030 --> 03:04:43,130
The planning department finds that, quote, the proposed retail sales use is not consistent

2140
03:04:43,130 --> 03:04:49,310
on quote, with either of these residential development designations. During the recent

2141
03:04:49,310 --> 03:04:54,030
state of residential building in Romano County due to high demand and well interest rates,

2142
03:04:54,550 --> 03:05:00,110
a residential development would likely have been built on the proposed grocery store land, too.

2143
03:05:00,390 --> 03:05:05,450
And probably long before that, but the Vida properties, including the depot,

2144
03:05:05,590 --> 03:05:10,650
active since the late 1980s, at the corner of Bramleton Avenue in Old Kastron Road,

2145
03:05:10,650 --> 03:05:14,610
were necessary for ingress an egress to any residential development.

2146
03:05:15,470 --> 03:05:20,110
Vito would not sell the land until February 2021 to Rona County,

2147
03:05:21,010 --> 03:05:24,510
when the land should have been resumed to residential

2148
03:05:24,510 --> 03:05:27,790
in order to conform with future land use designations

2149
03:05:27,790 --> 03:05:30,010
in the Rona County Conference of Plan.

2150
03:05:30,930 --> 03:05:33,910
Did the Rona County Government give residential developers

2151
03:05:33,910 --> 03:05:36,810
an opportunity to purchase this property?

2152
03:05:42,180 --> 03:05:45,360
More recently, the proposed grocery store land has been locked up

2153
03:05:45,360 --> 03:05:52,040
in 2016 through contingency sales contracts executed by Barnett and letters of agreement from

2154
03:05:52,040 --> 03:05:56,460
its predecessor representing the grocery store company with the owners.

2155
03:05:57,020 --> 03:06:02,280
All the while residential developments proceed in this area, one typical example of a single

2156
03:06:02,280 --> 03:06:05,800
family housing development is the preserve at Mason Law.

2157
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:12,640
Another grocery store in this area is not only disruptive to a residential area, but is

2158
03:06:12,640 --> 03:06:19,800
as well. Brambleton Croger is across the street, case-ring corners, Croger is three minutes away,

2159
03:06:20,360 --> 03:06:25,120
food line and a grand and road, eight minutes away is actually closer to the residential

2160
03:06:25,120 --> 03:06:31,060
neighborhoods of North and West that Barnett states her its primary customer base for the proposed

2161
03:06:31,060 --> 03:06:37,700
grocery store. Thus, the economic development department's formulaic assessment that the Barnett

2162
03:06:37,700 --> 03:06:43,640
project, quote, will enhance commercial diversity while providing new retail shopping opportunities

2163
03:06:44,140 --> 03:06:47,580
for residents, unquote, defies reality.

2164
03:06:48,200 --> 03:06:50,060
There is simply no need for it.

2165
03:06:50,580 --> 03:06:55,380
There are many areas elsewhere in the county that really do need a grocery store where

2166
03:06:55,380 --> 03:06:58,580
this kind of development would truly create value for the community.

2167
03:06:59,400 --> 03:07:02,400
But the Barnett Business Plan is unabashedly parasitic.

2168
03:07:02,400 --> 03:07:14,280
Locate across the street from an established grocery store and pilfer from their earned customer base in an already diverse, competitive, adequately served market.

2169
03:07:15,000 --> 03:07:16,660
Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

2170
03:07:18,580 --> 03:07:21,640
A next speaker is Gerald Beathers.

2171
03:07:31,930 --> 03:07:38,270
Gerald Beathers, President Farmington Place Homeowners Association, 4821 Farmington Place

2172
03:07:38,270 --> 03:07:44,790
Court, Rowan Oak, Farmington Place Homeowners Association, World Comment Part 2.

2173
03:07:45,090 --> 03:07:47,290
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and board members.

2174
03:07:48,070 --> 03:07:53,650
Old K Spring Road is a two-lane county road, appropriate for residential, neighborhood traffic,

2175
03:07:53,650 --> 03:07:56,430
but not designed for commercial traffic.

2176
03:07:56,830 --> 03:08:00,390
Traffic that will accumulate at the vicinity of the grocery store

2177
03:08:00,390 --> 03:08:04,090
cannot be accommodated by old cave spring road

2178
03:08:04,090 --> 03:08:06,450
and will block its immediate intersections.

2179
03:08:06,970 --> 03:08:09,750
Cues and stacking extend from Bramilton Avenue

2180
03:08:09,750 --> 03:08:13,270
to a McViddy road and port for 19 now.

2181
03:08:13,810 --> 03:08:15,570
They develop early in the morning,

2182
03:08:15,870 --> 03:08:18,690
subside then are at their worst late afternoon.

2183
03:08:19,110 --> 03:08:21,490
Precisely the times people grocery shop.

2184
03:08:21,490 --> 03:08:37,210
It is not credible that the remedial measures for elongating left and right turn lengths at Brambleton will alleviate the increase in congestion from the grocery store when it is unlikely to alleviate the traffic problem now.

2185
03:08:37,210 --> 03:08:45,370
The Weatherell Engineering Traffic Impact Analysis is inadequate and incomplete rendering its

2186
03:08:45,370 --> 03:08:51,750
projections inaccurate and proposed remedial measures improve first the Weatherell Analysis

2187
03:08:51,750 --> 03:08:57,350
omits the study intersection of Old Cave Spring Road and Cave Spring Lane.

2188
03:08:58,190 --> 03:09:04,390
This collector road will convey most of the customers' north and west designated by

2189
03:09:04,390 --> 03:09:07,970
as the grocery store's primary customer base.

2190
03:09:08,450 --> 03:09:11,310
Second, the Weather Hill Study was conducted in February.

2191
03:09:11,970 --> 03:09:15,790
The severe winter month when traffic volume would be less.

2192
03:09:16,270 --> 03:09:17,810
At the Planning Commission hearing,

2193
03:09:18,030 --> 03:09:21,570
Weather Hill said that it met with V dot and Rono County officials.

2194
03:09:22,270 --> 03:09:27,270
And they decided that the old caves being road and cave spring lane,

2195
03:09:27,610 --> 03:09:29,450
quotes, is not a major enough.

2196
03:09:29,450 --> 03:09:32,610
that is not deemed a critical intersection

2197
03:09:32,610 --> 03:09:34,890
for the fruition of this property.

2198
03:09:35,430 --> 03:09:39,330
Further V. said that we gave them our concurrence

2199
03:09:39,330 --> 03:09:40,890
in the traffic study.

2200
03:09:42,410 --> 03:09:44,510
These statements by whether or not V.

2201
03:09:44,970 --> 03:09:48,250
are contrary to the Ronald County Police Department's

2202
03:09:48,250 --> 03:09:50,450
Speed Study of Caves Spring Lane,

2203
03:09:51,130 --> 03:09:54,230
eastbound at the intersection of Old Caves Spring Road,

2204
03:09:54,590 --> 03:09:56,770
conducted in January 2020,

2205
03:09:56,770 --> 03:10:02,410
disease-nobly comparable. This study finds that cave-spring lane actually supplies

2206
03:10:02,410 --> 03:10:07,630
okay-spring road. The two and a half times as much traffic laid after them and

2207
03:10:07,630 --> 03:10:13,710
68 percent more traffic morning. So two things appeared to be true. The intersection

2208
03:10:13,710 --> 03:10:19,430
of cave-spring lane and okay-spring road is actually more critical to the traffic

2209
03:10:19,430 --> 03:10:27,910
impact analysis, then mid-Vidi Road, and two, the actual typical numbers are higher than

2210
03:10:27,910 --> 03:10:33,750
the numbers reported in the Whithrill study, that the actual traffic impacts are significantly

2211
03:10:33,750 --> 03:10:34,730
underrepresented.

2212
03:10:35,550 --> 03:10:43,890
Moreover, driver behavior is deteriorating dangerously on K-Spring Lane from 2020 to 2022.

2213
03:10:43,890 --> 03:10:51,650
to the county police studies, higher traffic volumes generated by grocery store, inevitably

2214
03:10:51,650 --> 03:10:54,250
resolved and significantly more violations.

2215
03:10:55,290 --> 03:10:59,830
In the end, police enforcement can only focus on speeding and stop sign observance.

2216
03:11:00,430 --> 03:11:03,630
Such enforcement is not designed to reduce traffic volume.

2217
03:11:04,170 --> 03:11:09,410
Thus, it will have no effect on the sheer number of cars traveling, old, spring, road.

2218
03:11:10,050 --> 03:11:11,830
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2219
03:11:11,830 --> 03:11:14,250
Next speaker is Jill Beverage.

2220
03:11:24,840 --> 03:11:25,780
I'm Jill Beverage.

2221
03:11:25,900 --> 03:11:28,900
Member of the Farmington Place Home Owners Association,

2222
03:11:29,700 --> 03:11:31,980
4821 Farmington Place Court,

2223
03:11:32,480 --> 03:11:33,060
Ronald Virginia,

2224
03:11:34,260 --> 03:11:36,740
oral comment part three from our association.

2225
03:11:38,240 --> 03:11:42,940
The Barnett grocery store will eliminate this rustic residential area

2226
03:11:42,940 --> 03:11:46,520
and have an adverse impact on the quality of life

2227
03:11:46,520 --> 03:11:48,960
for our surrounding residences.

2228
03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:52,720
in addition to the traffic congestion we've spoken of.

2229
03:11:53,020 --> 03:11:56,680
The grocery store itself will generate noise around the clock,

2230
03:11:57,200 --> 03:11:59,660
large after-hour delivery trucks,

2231
03:12:00,400 --> 03:12:04,040
the forklifts, the track collection, and compacting,

2232
03:12:04,460 --> 03:12:06,660
and some litter blown about.

2233
03:12:07,740 --> 03:12:10,340
At present, we at Farmington Place residents

2234
03:12:10,340 --> 03:12:14,280
see the bright lights from Croger, CBS, and the gas station now.

2235
03:12:15,340 --> 03:12:18,420
You want to enhance the county's tax space,

2236
03:12:18,420 --> 03:12:24,040
Zoning R1 would allow homes needed such as patio homes, which are in high demand.

2237
03:12:24,840 --> 03:12:27,920
Was this land even put out for residential contractors?

2238
03:12:29,140 --> 03:12:35,380
With this unneeded grocery store, the property values of the numerous homes surrounding it will decline,

2239
03:12:36,240 --> 03:12:38,800
which is a decline in your county revenue.

2240
03:12:39,980 --> 03:12:45,740
In Ronald County 70 to 85% of the real estate tax base is residential real estate,

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03:12:45,740 --> 03:12:49,780
which is then a primary source of income for the county.

2242
03:12:50,520 --> 03:12:53,620
What should be of ultimate value in our county

2243
03:12:53,620 --> 03:12:56,920
is its people and their quality of life.

2244
03:12:57,540 --> 03:12:59,740
We look to the county to protect us,

2245
03:12:59,860 --> 03:13:02,400
and we made the decision to purchase our homes

2246
03:13:02,400 --> 03:13:05,080
because the land was zoned residential,

2247
03:13:05,740 --> 03:13:09,940
and we assumed in good faith it would remain residential.

2248
03:13:10,820 --> 03:13:13,640
And we hope the county would honor that zoning.

2249
03:13:14,360 --> 03:13:16,820
Thank you for serving your constituents.

2250
03:13:18,040 --> 03:13:20,560
Next speaker is Rick Mild.

2251
03:13:27,520 --> 03:13:28,040
Rick Mild.

2252
03:13:28,040 --> 03:13:28,080
Rick Mild.

2253
03:13:28,580 --> 03:13:28,880
47.

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03:13:29,340 --> 03:13:29,620
34.

2255
03:13:31,120 --> 03:13:31,860
Oak Cliff, John.

2256
03:13:32,380 --> 03:13:33,560
I'm just in Ronald, Christian.

2257
03:13:34,740 --> 03:13:36,780
Farmington plays home under Association.

2258
03:13:37,060 --> 03:13:38,720
Or will come at Part 4.

2259
03:13:39,440 --> 03:13:40,320
Good evening Mr. Chairman.

2260
03:13:41,600 --> 03:13:43,320
We're going to.

2261
03:13:43,320 --> 03:13:45,880
Should the board approve the rezoning application?

2262
03:13:45,880 --> 03:13:48,940
And we respectfully ask that approval will be made

2263
03:13:48,940 --> 03:13:50,780
contention on the following conditions.

2264
03:13:51,760 --> 03:13:54,160
Enforce these conditions through the permitting process

2265
03:13:54,160 --> 03:13:57,440
by attaching these conditions to the various required permits.

2266
03:13:58,700 --> 03:14:01,460
Ensure compliance through inspection by county enforcement

2267
03:14:01,460 --> 03:14:04,100
inspectors during construction and wind construction

2268
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:04,840
is completed.

2269
03:14:06,200 --> 03:14:08,320
Use any other legal enforcement mechanisms

2270
03:14:08,320 --> 03:14:10,320
to ensure establishment and compliance.

2271
03:14:11,560 --> 03:14:14,080
Number one, building sighting.

2272
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:20,660
reverse the location of the grocery store building, such that the building is closest to

2273
03:14:20,660 --> 03:14:26,460
Bramilton Avenue, where other commercial buildings are located, and the back facing that

2274
03:14:26,460 --> 03:14:29,220
road rather than the residential area,

2275
03:14:31,260 --> 03:14:34,460
the front facing north rather than south. It's a building

2276
03:14:34,460 --> 03:14:40,480
is sighted at the southwest corner of the property, both access drives can remain the same. This

2277
03:14:40,480 --> 03:14:45,300
is the most effective way to mitigate the noise problem, the most intrusive noise being

2278
03:14:45,300 --> 03:14:49,680
generated at the back of the building, most likely around the clock.

2279
03:14:50,860 --> 03:14:52,660
Number two, lower elevation.

2280
03:14:53,500 --> 03:14:57,040
Drop the elevation of the building and parking lot another 30 feet.

2281
03:14:57,280 --> 03:14:59,980
That is, from 1,130 feet, down so.

2282
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,160
1,100 feet to provide a buffer for noise and light for the large number of residences adjacent to the project.

2283
03:15:08,120 --> 03:15:11,820
The store and its parking lot are already much higher than one case spring road.

2284
03:15:14,210 --> 03:15:21,610
Number three, buffers own to buffer from the adverse impacts and to maintain some semblance of this rustic residential area.

2285
03:15:22,550 --> 03:15:30,030
Install a 40-foot landscape buffer of the dense kind surrounding the grocery store building and parking lot bordering the residential areas.

2286
03:15:30,030 --> 03:15:38,730
In addition, an eight foot wooden fence, not chain length, should be installed between the grocery store building and parking lot in the buffer.

2287
03:15:40,210 --> 03:15:59,030
Number four, lighting restrictions, parking lot, light, pole, height, and fixture angle, and shielding should provide minimum ground illuminants, and be installed such that lighting emanating from the fixtures does not shine beyond the paved lot perimeter and be reflective downward from the atmosphere.

2288
03:16:00,030 --> 03:16:04,550
Lighting attached to the building should also conform to this geographic and illuminates limit.

2289
03:16:05,930 --> 03:16:08,170
Number five, turn off lights at night.

2290
03:16:09,650 --> 03:16:12,510
As many lights as possible should be turned off at night.

2291
03:16:13,350 --> 03:16:16,150
This would include most of the lighting in the parking lot.

2292
03:16:16,550 --> 03:16:19,850
Only those lights necessary to illuminate access to the store

2293
03:16:19,850 --> 03:16:21,890
at the rear should be operational.

2294
03:16:22,810 --> 03:16:24,370
Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

2295
03:16:25,430 --> 03:16:28,310
Next speaker is Susan Lewis.

2296
03:16:28,310 --> 03:16:28,990
Good

2297
03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:46,340
evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

2298
03:16:47,040 --> 03:16:50,160
Susan Lewis, member of Farmington Place Homeers Association,

2299
03:16:50,800 --> 03:16:55,060
4812 Case Frame Lane, Rona, Virginia, 24018.

2300
03:16:56,420 --> 03:17:00,080
Farmington Place Homeers Association requests for conditions continued.

2301
03:17:00,980 --> 03:17:02,880
Six, limit hours of operation.

2302
03:17:03,300 --> 03:17:06,600
The Planning Commission's recommendation to limit hours of operation

2303
03:17:06,600 --> 03:17:10,280
that is, the business hours when the store will be open to the public

2304
03:17:10,280 --> 03:17:12,820
will be helpful and is important to implement.

2305
03:17:12,820 --> 03:17:17,840
that this measure will only be partially effective in reducing noise and lighting at night.

2306
03:17:18,360 --> 03:17:24,060
Grocery stores routinely on low large trucks and restock the shells between 11pm and 7am.

2307
03:17:25,280 --> 03:17:27,160
Number 7, parking lot reduction.

2308
03:17:27,620 --> 03:17:31,240
If the building is not relocated to the southwest corner of the lot,

2309
03:17:31,540 --> 03:17:36,300
then eliminate one row of parking at the south and move the building further down south.

2310
03:17:36,620 --> 03:17:40,620
That is farther away from the adjacent residential area north.

2311
03:17:40,620 --> 03:17:47,580
Our net is already requesting more parking spaces than the county requires for this size and type of commercial development.

2312
03:17:48,620 --> 03:17:49,920
Number eight, traffic studies.

2313
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:56,500
Since neither V dot officials, more county officials, adequately guided and evaluated the weather-real traffic study,

2314
03:17:57,120 --> 03:18:05,120
establish a committee of effective individuals and organizations to identify and provide guidance to an objective third party,

2315
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:12,420
not burn it whether it will or will no county traffic to perform a more typical and inclusive traffic impact evaluation.

2316
03:18:13,160 --> 03:18:17,320
Conduct during months of typical traffic volume, October or April,

2317
03:18:17,820 --> 03:18:22,020
included the intersection of old case spring road and case spring lane,

2318
03:18:22,300 --> 03:18:25,430
as well as farmington place court and case spring lane.

2319
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:29,520
Consider school bus and emergency vehicle access.

2320
03:18:29,520 --> 03:18:36,000
Number nine, traffic management, apply to V dot for a traffic light at the intersection of

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03:18:36,000 --> 03:18:38,560
case swing lane and old case swing road.

2322
03:18:39,260 --> 03:18:44,100
Otherwise entry on to old case swing road from case swing lane will be virtually impossible

2323
03:18:44,100 --> 03:18:46,300
without dangerous maneuvers.

2324
03:18:46,600 --> 03:18:49,420
This includes school buses and emergency vehicles.

2325
03:18:50,600 --> 03:18:52,680
Number 10, storm water management facility.

2326
03:18:53,120 --> 03:18:56,220
An underground storm water management facility should be specified.

2327
03:18:56,220 --> 03:19:04,040
large enough to prevent an increase in unmanaged stormwater flow into Mudlic Creek, exacerbating flooding on

2328
03:19:04,040 --> 03:19:10,680
farmington place and adjacent properties down and upstream. According to the Rowan of County report,

2329
03:19:11,240 --> 03:19:16,360
evaluation of drainage concerns fromington place. This land's vicinity is at the bottom of a

2330
03:19:16,360 --> 03:19:20,940
sizeable drainage area of quote 70 to 80 acres on quote.

2331
03:19:20,940 --> 03:19:23,720
At present, even without the grocery store,

2332
03:19:24,100 --> 03:19:26,980
MudLick Creek floods onto farmage and place property

2333
03:19:26,980 --> 03:19:30,860
up to 30 feet at the east end, as quote,

2334
03:19:31,080 --> 03:19:33,840
can be expected during heavy storms on quote,

2335
03:19:34,120 --> 03:19:35,340
with current storm activity.

2336
03:19:36,020 --> 03:19:38,580
After approving the design, the county agrees

2337
03:19:38,580 --> 03:19:40,800
to inspect the facility during construction,

2338
03:19:41,380 --> 03:19:42,840
and when construction is completed,

2339
03:19:43,200 --> 03:19:45,020
to ensure that the facility conforms

2340
03:19:45,020 --> 03:19:46,160
to approve specifications.

2341
03:19:47,080 --> 03:19:49,920
We respectfully refer the board to our written comment.

2342
03:19:49,920 --> 03:19:55,300
Senate directly to the board that provides our complete reasoning, evidence, and specific details.

2343
03:19:56,020 --> 03:20:04,140
This written comments submitted to the board supersedes and replaces the comment appearing in the Planning Commission's packet previously conveyed to the board.

2344
03:20:05,100 --> 03:20:06,740
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2345
03:20:07,800 --> 03:20:10,060
Next speaker is Carol Mickey.

2346
03:20:22,930 --> 03:20:23,390
Good evening.

2347
03:20:23,830 --> 03:20:24,830
This I'm Carol Mickey.

2348
03:20:24,830 --> 03:20:28,250
Member of the Board of Directors of Farmington Plyse,

2349
03:20:28,550 --> 03:20:29,710
a Member of Association,

2350
03:20:30,890 --> 03:20:32,650
4904 Caves, BrainLine,

2351
03:20:32,990 --> 03:20:36,130
Rona of Virginia, 2401, 8.

2352
03:20:36,610 --> 03:20:39,710
Good evening, Mr. Chairman, and members of the Board.

2353
03:20:40,570 --> 03:20:42,930
Farmington Plyse, a Member of the Association,

2354
03:20:43,230 --> 03:20:47,070
respectfully request that the Rona County Board of Supervisors

2355
03:20:47,070 --> 03:20:49,410
to not approve the grocery store,

2356
03:20:49,450 --> 03:20:50,770
is on an application.

2357
03:20:51,810 --> 03:20:53,970
The grocery store commercial property

2358
03:20:53,970 --> 03:21:01,190
to mobilize the future land desinations of this land, which specifically residential development

2359
03:21:01,190 --> 03:21:07,110
is defined by our own account county comprehensive plan. The grocery store project required

2360
03:21:07,110 --> 03:21:14,290
rezoning the forces commercial into otherwise long-standing residential zone area, and would

2361
03:21:14,290 --> 03:21:20,370
betray residents who purchased their property, assume and they could rely on the county to honor

2362
03:21:20,370 --> 03:21:22,090
and protect the zoning.

2363
03:21:23,110 --> 03:21:28,250
A residential property would have been built on a proposed grocery store property, long ago,

2364
03:21:28,730 --> 03:21:36,610
but for V-DOT properties at Brampton Road in Ocav Spring Lane, needed for ingress, ingress,

2365
03:21:36,770 --> 03:21:37,370
and egress.

2366
03:21:37,950 --> 03:21:43,850
V-DOT refused to sell the land since 1980 until it was purchased by Ronald County in February

2367
03:21:44,990 --> 03:21:45,670
2021.

2368
03:21:45,670 --> 03:21:49,750
one. If the county on for the land for sale for residential

2369
03:21:49,750 --> 03:21:55,170
developers, the grocery store will increase traffic congestion on

2370
03:21:55,170 --> 03:21:59,590
every cave spring lane. Okay, road. Despite the proposed

2371
03:21:59,590 --> 03:22:05,610
remedy measures which is already at an untenable level, further the grocery

2372
03:22:05,610 --> 03:22:10,310
store will increase already excessive congestion and speeding problems

2373
03:22:10,310 --> 03:22:14,210
on cave spring lane. The collector road then will carry months of the

2374
03:22:14,210 --> 03:22:18,530
from the target customer based north and west that

2375
03:22:18,530 --> 03:22:22,450
designated by Barnett. Traffic studies conducted by

2376
03:22:22,450 --> 03:22:26,450
Ronald County Police Department invalidates the weather

2377
03:22:26,450 --> 03:22:29,510
real traffic study because it did not study the

2378
03:22:29,510 --> 03:22:33,190
intersection of Cape Spring Lane and O Cape Spring Road.

2379
03:22:33,710 --> 03:22:37,470
In fact, the police study of January 2020 indicates

2380
03:22:37,470 --> 03:22:41,610
that Cape Spring Lane actually supplied O Cape Spring

2381
03:22:41,610 --> 03:22:50,170
with two and a half times as much a traffic late afternoon and 68% more traffic overall as the

2382
03:22:50,170 --> 03:22:57,330
city road. The proposed grocery store will acetylate the substantial congestion in the Cape

2383
03:22:57,330 --> 03:23:04,470
Springland in a section now. Moreover, the weather rail study was conducted in February. There

2384
03:23:04,470 --> 03:23:10,770
the various winter months, a period of at least traffic, again, calling into question the effect

2385
03:23:10,770 --> 03:23:13,830
that this of the lemonade measures.

2386
03:23:14,530 --> 03:23:20,910
There's no need for this grocery store, being this commercial diversity, retail opportunities

2387
03:23:20,910 --> 03:23:24,530
or otherwise, because there's already grocery store across the street.

2388
03:23:24,830 --> 03:23:30,190
Now, the three minutes, another eight minutes away, which is actually closer to the designated

2389
03:23:30,190 --> 03:23:31,310
customer base.

2390
03:23:31,310 --> 03:23:37,390
This grocery store will substantially reduce the quality of life and therefore the desirable

2391
03:23:37,390 --> 03:23:43,490
of this surrounding residential properties due to the perpetual noise-lighting traffic

2392
03:23:43,490 --> 03:23:45,030
congestion and so on.

2393
03:23:45,210 --> 03:23:50,210
Reduce in the real estate monetary value of these properties.

2394
03:23:50,850 --> 03:23:56,390
This presumes increase the tax revenue from a commercial property, we will offset the reduced

2395
03:23:56,390 --> 03:24:00,390
of the numerous surrounding residential properties.

2396
03:24:04,590 --> 03:24:06,690
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2397
03:24:08,070 --> 03:24:10,950
Next speaker is Wayne Weaver.

2398
03:24:21,040 --> 03:24:24,540
First off, let me say I'm not weak in that you had I surgery today, sir.

2399
03:24:24,880 --> 03:24:25,420
I had a flu.

2400
03:24:26,180 --> 03:24:27,960
I'm not weak in that, sir.

2401
03:24:28,280 --> 03:24:31,360
But anyway, I'm Wayne Weaver, Board of Directors of Farmington,

2402
03:24:31,360 --> 03:24:33,580
place the case, Frank 4818.

2403
03:24:34,040 --> 03:24:37,340
Lane, I wasn't the material handling business for 40 years.

2404
03:24:37,340 --> 03:24:42,660
three years, as being a part of the material handling business, I was a sales engineer.

2405
03:24:43,540 --> 03:24:49,620
What we did in that part of what I would bring to the table is what I did.

2406
03:24:50,360 --> 03:24:56,240
Forklifts, backup alarms, requirements by OSHA, and by those with that is a federal offer,

2407
03:24:56,300 --> 03:25:01,060
every four truck to have some kind of noise beeper when that truck is going in reverse.

2408
03:25:02,040 --> 03:25:08,180
These trucks have flashing lights, they have horns and drivers are required to blow the

2409
03:25:08,180 --> 03:25:12,660
horns when they're leaving the intersection of an aisle.

2410
03:25:13,460 --> 03:25:14,900
The lift-ups horn are seasoning.

2411
03:25:15,400 --> 03:25:19,700
Back equipment sold a number of these to corroborate distribution.

2412
03:25:20,340 --> 03:25:21,880
What they do is a metal board.

2413
03:25:23,100 --> 03:25:28,460
It secures the board to the truck, and as the fork truck goes along with the static load,

2414
03:25:28,460 --> 03:25:30,460
It makes a tremendous noise.

2415
03:25:31,240 --> 03:25:32,860
Lift trucks will know these words cause

2416
03:25:32,860 --> 03:25:34,720
going to a huge amount of noise.

2417
03:25:37,700 --> 03:25:40,840
Most tractor trailers, and this is a study we

2418
03:25:40,840 --> 03:25:42,260
done when they get all warehouse,

2419
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:45,440
have at least 30 pallet loads on a truck.

2420
03:25:46,440 --> 03:25:50,320
So with that being said, it takes 30 trips into a truck

2421
03:25:50,320 --> 03:25:53,900
to the rack and back into that truck to offload that truck.

2422
03:25:54,320 --> 03:25:56,360
It's at any given time of the day.

2423
03:25:59,520 --> 03:26:01,120
Comveyors constantly running.

2424
03:26:01,500 --> 03:26:05,800
There's conveyors are stacking product from the warehouse down on a pallet.

2425
03:26:06,180 --> 03:26:10,080
These are hardly ever stopped, and they're running almost the whole time the warehouse

2426
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:10,760
is opening.

2427
03:26:12,240 --> 03:26:16,520
My last point of what I would like to say here is that most, and I think it's already been

2428
03:26:16,520 --> 03:26:19,500
most of the loading, is done after hours.

2429
03:26:19,940 --> 03:26:25,340
What that means is there's nobody in the store that can get back the trucks in, offload

2430
03:26:25,340 --> 03:26:33,540
And that's when you have the most noise and that noise generates way beyond word its own premises.

2431
03:26:34,500 --> 03:26:40,000
So with my point being said, I would like for the county to re-think about where

2432
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:43,400
they would do something with this store and another location.

2433
03:26:44,140 --> 03:26:48,440
Again, I thank you for listening to each and every one of us, and I'll appreciate the time.

2434
03:26:49,240 --> 03:26:54,920
Next speaker is Sharon Moranik, Sharon Moranik,

2435
03:26:58,680 --> 03:27:02,040
Sharon Moranik, 4916K Spring Lane,

2436
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:09,000
Barbara Miller.

2437
03:27:18,010 --> 03:27:22,990
Barbara Miller, 4940K Spring Lane, good evening.

2438
03:27:24,290 --> 03:27:29,710
My husband and I bought our house in K Spring Lane at 27 years ago.

2439
03:27:29,710 --> 03:27:40,550
We fell in love with the area, our backyard backs up to what, but the lighting and everything

2440
03:27:40,550 --> 03:27:43,650
that this is going to create, the noise, the lighting,

2441
03:27:46,070 --> 03:27:48,630
and that's going to be, we just

2442
03:27:48,630 --> 03:27:59,690
love the area because of the wildlife, the wonderful view, and to know that we're not

2443
03:28:01,050 --> 03:28:11,310
My next concern is the traffic I have on one side of me for children and on the other side

2444
03:28:11,310 --> 03:28:12,930
three.

2445
03:28:13,810 --> 03:28:21,910
The traffic on K-Spring Lane is absolutely horrible and I've cranged when those children

2446
03:28:21,910 --> 03:28:24,710
across that road to get to the bus stop.

2447
03:28:25,850 --> 03:28:29,810
There was one morning, I saw a car pass the school bus

2448
03:28:29,810 --> 03:28:31,990
even with the stops I'd out.

2449
03:28:33,390 --> 03:28:36,690
And of course, I didn't get the license plate of the car.

2450
03:28:37,310 --> 03:28:41,190
But I did call and report it.

2451
03:28:41,210 --> 03:28:43,110
This has been some time ago.

2452
03:28:44,430 --> 03:28:48,230
But it seems like when they come around the curve

2453
03:28:48,230 --> 03:28:56,050
At Farmington Road, the house on my left is Farmington.

2454
03:28:56,510 --> 03:28:59,250
All my right is still Cape Spring Lane.

2455
03:28:59,810 --> 03:29:02,250
And it seems like when they come around that curb,

2456
03:29:02,710 --> 03:29:08,090
they pick up speed to go down to the Cape Spring Road.

2457
03:29:08,610 --> 03:29:13,330
I mean, it's just like for some reason they like to speed up.

2458
03:29:14,170 --> 03:29:15,790
So that concerns me.

2459
03:29:19,550 --> 03:29:20,290
Thank you.

2460
03:29:20,290 --> 03:29:21,650
Thank you.

2461
03:29:21,850 --> 03:29:23,990
Ruby, Ruby, weaver.

2462
03:29:30,900 --> 03:29:31,800
Members of the floor.

2463
03:29:32,560 --> 03:29:33,660
My name is Ruby Weaver.

2464
03:29:33,680 --> 03:29:35,860
I live at 4818 Cave Spring Lane.

2465
03:29:36,200 --> 03:29:39,100
I remember the forming done plays on my resuscitation.

2466
03:29:39,960 --> 03:29:40,900
Here are my issues.

2467
03:29:41,600 --> 03:29:46,480
The access to Cave Spring Lane for my driveway during the morning working hours, and evening

2468
03:29:46,480 --> 03:29:47,040
hours.

2469
03:29:47,660 --> 03:29:51,820
The road is heavily traveled, and the day, and during the day, and the evening.

2470
03:29:52,400 --> 03:29:56,660
There are many days when backing out of my driveway, I'll stay at the top of my driveway

2471
03:29:56,660 --> 03:29:59,980
to get clearance so that I can see clearance. I have a very pitch.

2472
03:30:01,390 --> 03:30:08,410
So, in order to get out on cash-free money, I stay at the top of my driveway and make sure that there's nothing

2473
03:30:08,410 --> 03:30:09,650
come in one way or the other.

2474
03:30:11,990 --> 03:30:16,990
There's no way of who are cars to go if there is an encounter,

2475
03:30:17,410 --> 03:30:24,650
you're going to go in a ditch or you're going to go into a framed fence across the street for

2476
03:30:24,650 --> 03:30:29,010
issue that I have is getting our mail and our trash cans.

2477
03:30:29,930 --> 03:30:36,810
You have to really risk your life at some point in time to just go to the mailbox or bring

2478
03:30:36,810 --> 03:30:38,570
a trash can up or down.

2479
03:30:39,590 --> 03:30:45,090
And there have been times when a neighbor might have used to live there actually had to jump

2480
03:30:45,090 --> 03:30:49,190
into the ditch to avoid a car breaking her leg.

2481
03:30:50,810 --> 03:30:56,890
We've had our mailbox destroyed twice and we've had several trans receptacles destroyed.

2482
03:30:58,230 --> 03:31:00,610
We've lived in this area for 23 years.

2483
03:31:00,950 --> 03:31:08,730
We love it, but to have enterprise come in and destroy what we have built and lived

2484
03:31:08,730 --> 03:31:11,530
there for is very disturbing to us.

2485
03:31:12,070 --> 03:31:13,250
So I appreciate your time.

2486
03:31:13,470 --> 03:31:14,350
Thank you so much.

2487
03:31:15,190 --> 03:31:18,850
The next speaker is Kirk Groen.

2488
03:31:25,630 --> 03:31:27,730
I think we'll get a conceptual plan again

2489
03:31:30,420 --> 03:31:31,700
for our start.

2490
03:31:36,680 --> 03:31:37,780
Is that the warrant one?

2491
03:31:38,240 --> 03:31:38,580
Yes.

2492
03:31:39,220 --> 03:31:39,420
Yes.

2493
03:31:39,480 --> 03:31:40,260
That's nice enough.

2494
03:31:41,360 --> 03:31:47,280
My name is Kirk Groen and my wife and I live at 43-46-43.

2495
03:31:47,480 --> 03:31:48,300
She was very cool.

2496
03:31:49,240 --> 03:31:53,320
Which is the joining property to this proposed facility.

2497
03:31:54,440 --> 03:31:57,120
I want to clear up one of this concept before I get to start here.

2498
03:31:57,120 --> 03:32:04,580
They talked about the cross section through that showed a large retaining wall.

2499
03:32:04,620 --> 03:32:11,200
That is at the highest peak of the land and this is very steep land and if you look closely

2500
03:32:11,200 --> 03:32:16,300
you'll see at the loading dock area and the address through and the downstairs that the

2501
03:32:16,300 --> 03:32:20,200
gray back there is roughly the same gray as my joining property.

2502
03:32:20,200 --> 03:32:28,900
So the really is very misleading that cut through that high spot on the whole site.

2503
03:32:29,260 --> 03:32:34,860
It is a steep space and all that noise that the noise ordered for the blood to

2504
03:32:34,860 --> 03:32:38,840
ride Jason to my property and that king's to court name.

2505
03:32:40,800 --> 03:32:46,760
But I would like to dress the site, you guys, the process and I must admit I'm a little

2506
03:32:46,760 --> 03:32:56,100
I even, the reason I request as being part of the public, do not know how much interaction

2507
03:32:56,100 --> 03:33:02,220
they cannot perform in a zoning department as had with the petitioner and the tenant

2508
03:33:02,220 --> 03:33:04,950
as to other options in the area.

2509
03:33:05,940 --> 03:33:11,900
My concern is they developed a payment and picked this pot and I have a lot of concerns

2510
03:33:11,900 --> 03:33:18,060
of that and they started with the Plan and Commission's public meeting in November. The

2511
03:33:18,060 --> 03:33:22,920
developer was unwilling to name his client. Seconds were questioned by the petitioner

2512
03:33:22,920 --> 03:33:27,600
for resigning denied to any proffers that showed their willingness to work in the surrounding

2513
03:33:27,600 --> 03:33:33,260
residential neighborhoods to address their concerns. Third, the request to resound it to

2514
03:33:33,260 --> 03:33:38,880
C2 does not meet any of the broader county comprehensive plans. And, finally, a comment

2515
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:43,500
I want to plan a commission board member stating that he likes the project because it

2516
03:33:43,500 --> 03:33:47,960
tings up the zoning on the existing parcels of land and development to the U.S.

2517
03:33:48,020 --> 03:33:48,980
Resonance Request.

2518
03:33:51,430 --> 03:33:55,830
It doesn't take a lot of research to determine that the developer's client is probably

2519
03:33:56,770 --> 03:33:57,330
publics.

2520
03:33:57,370 --> 03:34:01,470
And this is why I'm requesting the elected Board of Supervisors in Renner County's

2521
03:34:01,470 --> 03:34:06,430
Helpian request a thorough review of the big picture for publics.

2522
03:34:06,430 --> 03:34:08,450
and look beyond the present day,

2523
03:34:08,550 --> 03:34:13,470
we use any request before proven and offer the following to this request.

2524
03:34:14,310 --> 03:34:17,550
It refers to the Plain Department's executive summary,

2525
03:34:17,910 --> 03:34:21,890
the economic department, comments reflected by us as the county

2526
03:34:21,890 --> 03:34:23,950
as a property owner in the rezoning application.

2527
03:34:25,690 --> 03:34:27,650
In addition, the economic development states

2528
03:34:27,650 --> 03:34:29,270
that will enhance the tax base.

2529
03:34:29,690 --> 03:34:31,470
This tax base will be all set somewhat

2530
03:34:31,470 --> 03:34:34,550
due to decreased residential property values

2531
03:34:34,550 --> 03:34:39,550
and revenue income taxes will be all set by law for revenue at nearby grocery stores.

2532
03:34:40,290 --> 03:34:44,450
They also state it creates desirable retail shopping opportunities.

2533
03:34:45,190 --> 03:34:48,150
This is misleading as it does not create any new opportunities.

2534
03:34:49,150 --> 03:34:49,910
Just competition.

2535
03:34:51,410 --> 03:34:54,650
The developer is from North Carolina and the tenant,

2536
03:34:54,930 --> 03:34:57,410
which is probably the public, the secretary of the Florida.

2537
03:34:58,050 --> 03:35:00,470
So all the revenue from this project is leaving here.

2538
03:35:01,670 --> 03:35:08,510
The use of these parcels per the existing comprehensive plan, but encouraged local business

2539
03:35:08,510 --> 03:35:14,570
to build in the transition zones and keep the money in the neighborhood and in the county.

2540
03:35:15,290 --> 03:35:21,650
The second summary also states notes the statement from the county chief police that it will

2541
03:35:21,650 --> 03:35:25,030
result in an increased demand for police services.

2542
03:35:25,990 --> 03:35:32,070
So, however, however, the big concern I have is for the future of this area, and all of

2543
03:35:32,070 --> 03:35:35,030
Southwest County, Southwest and Virginia.

2544
03:35:35,990 --> 03:35:39,310
The decisions that I have, is most likely to prop, publics, and they are looking to expand

2545
03:35:39,310 --> 03:35:39,910
into Virginia.

2546
03:35:41,570 --> 03:35:47,550
My question to the board is, has it economic development planning, departments, visited other

2547
03:35:47,550 --> 03:35:48,470
sites and options?

2548
03:35:48,850 --> 03:35:54,490
I'm sure politics is committed to moving into this area, but they have no other facilities

2549
03:35:54,490 --> 03:36:01,490
in this area. The closest would be in Green'sboro and Winston Salem, which is five

2550
03:36:01,490 --> 03:36:06,370
stores. While they were building a refrigerated frozen distribution center in

2551
03:36:06,370 --> 03:36:10,070
Green'sboro, it's slated to be opened in operation by 2025.

2552
03:36:12,310 --> 03:36:13,030
They are competing

2553
03:36:13,030 --> 03:36:19,050
against Grover, which has a distribution center here in Salem, and has at least a

2554
03:36:19,050 --> 03:36:21,290
dozen stores in the immediate area.

2555
03:36:25,330 --> 03:36:27,250
And my question to you guys, and you are

2556
03:36:27,250 --> 03:36:29,470
have to be our advocates because we better for you guys

2557
03:36:29,470 --> 03:36:31,910
put you in your business positions and you are my advocates

2558
03:36:31,910 --> 03:36:32,770
and representatives.

2559
03:36:34,710 --> 03:36:37,890
So I question, they have chosen this site that has two

2560
03:36:37,890 --> 03:36:41,990
progress towards the pharmacy and pharmacy to CVS and Walgreens

2561
03:36:41,990 --> 03:36:43,670
all within a mile and a few minutes.

2562
03:36:44,570 --> 03:36:46,650
We hope public provide enough of a difference

2563
03:36:46,650 --> 03:36:50,570
in services to compete with COVID, with their distribution

2564
03:36:50,570 --> 03:36:52,350
center in this area.

2565
03:36:52,930 --> 03:36:55,010
And until recently, actually, it was headquartered,

2566
03:36:55,010 --> 03:37:01,450
regional headquarter year. The runner county is due to his terrain to range is not a half

2567
03:37:01,450 --> 03:37:07,010
of capacity for future growth of clientele, especially in Southwest County. This is an

2568
03:37:07,010 --> 03:37:12,850
issue that this area is dealt with for years and years. So my questions are, what if the

2569
03:37:12,850 --> 03:37:24,990
bestest model fails in the abandoned moving in the Southwest Virginia? The Southwest County

2570
03:37:28,790 --> 03:37:35,010
came from a propote, they bought from Harris Theatre because Harris Theatre model in this area

2571
03:37:35,010 --> 03:37:36,450
did not work.

2572
03:37:37,630 --> 03:37:41,370
So, you crops as another example of a failed business model in this area.

2573
03:37:41,950 --> 03:37:46,550
So, have lots of concerns about I'm hoping that you guys are looking toward the future

2574
03:37:46,550 --> 03:37:52,070
and will work with publics, whether it's this side or smaller side, but take your time

2575
03:37:52,070 --> 03:38:00,530
And this don't rush it. This process has been rushed through on the public. Now, I hope that you guys have spent the time with the petitioner to look at all options to run our county.

2576
03:38:01,350 --> 03:38:04,030
The other thing is if this is a route of success, Mr.

2577
03:38:04,390 --> 03:38:05,970
Please wrap it up. Yes, I will.

2578
03:38:06,150 --> 03:38:07,970
Three and a half minutes over. Okay.

2579
03:38:08,350 --> 03:38:10,370
Progress is also. There's three

2580
03:38:11,030 --> 03:38:17,270
grocery stores in the area. Something's going to get. So you may have an empty public in the future or an empty

2581
03:38:17,850 --> 03:38:28,950
So, our other options, please make sure that you guys spend the time and don't rush to this process, you know, hope that you do not take it.

2582
03:38:29,230 --> 03:38:33,190
Next speaker is Dr. Kenneth Lutt-Lutt-Pay. Okay.

2583
03:38:34,730 --> 03:38:34,930
Bye.

2584
03:38:35,830 --> 03:38:36,590
Hello, Mr. President.

2585
03:38:38,930 --> 03:38:41,670
Chairman and members of the Board. Thank you very much.

2586
03:38:41,670 --> 03:38:47,550
I have had my private, private practice, not really, not loose-gave it an independent practice,

2587
03:38:47,690 --> 03:38:53,530
something very rare and I think somewhat valuable for the area in Bramford and Commons for the last 11 years.

2588
03:38:54,270 --> 03:38:58,390
In that time I've seen the traffic come to a point where I have lost patients.

2589
03:38:58,910 --> 03:39:02,730
So my seniors will no longer come to see me because of trying to get out.

2590
03:39:03,650 --> 03:39:07,710
And with the current proposed model with the right end, right out on Bramford,

2591
03:39:07,710 --> 03:39:18,490
That will make it even harder for us to see our patients and I'm not alone. I'm one of 18 different businesses in that development and this will not be helpful for us

2592
03:39:18,490 --> 03:39:33,290
It may force me to have to leave the area as well as others in that development because we will not be able to access as KC said our businesses in the road. Thank you

2593
03:39:33,290 --> 03:39:35,810
Next speaker is Paul of Powell

2594
03:39:36,430 --> 03:39:37,910
All up, owl.

2595
03:39:44,040 --> 03:39:46,200
Thank you Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board.

2596
03:39:46,760 --> 03:39:51,320
My name is Paula Powell and I live at 5455 Lake Dale Road.

2597
03:39:52,560 --> 03:39:54,420
My business is in Brambleton comments.

2598
03:39:57,560 --> 03:40:01,140
The entrance and exit is directly, oh, it's gone.

2599
03:40:01,620 --> 03:40:02,480
Directly adjacent.

2600
03:40:03,600 --> 03:40:06,320
Directly below the driveway that exists there now.

2601
03:40:07,140 --> 03:40:09,940
Comes right up against the exit and entrance to our,

2602
03:40:11,680 --> 03:40:13,040
to Brambleton comments.

2603
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:15,780
I have on this business for 23 years.

2604
03:40:16,180 --> 03:40:20,040
I've watched the community south of 419 on Ramleton Avenue

2605
03:40:20,040 --> 03:40:21,460
grow exponentially.

2606
03:40:22,200 --> 03:40:24,980
Residential business and even in New High School.

2607
03:40:25,880 --> 03:40:28,340
All the while making the intersection of Bramleton Avenue

2608
03:40:28,340 --> 03:40:30,840
and Colonial Avenue and Old Cave Spring Road

2609
03:40:30,840 --> 03:40:33,600
become more dangerous and difficult to navigate.

2610
03:40:34,240 --> 03:40:34,740
Excuse me.

2611
03:40:36,660 --> 03:40:40,020
It is near impossible to make a left-hand turn out

2612
03:40:40,020 --> 03:40:42,640
of Bramleton Commons and exiting to the right

2613
03:40:42,640 --> 03:40:45,660
depends solely on the mercy of oncoming traffic.

2614
03:40:46,360 --> 03:40:48,400
With the right on Reddit, Old Cave Spring Road,

2615
03:40:48,920 --> 03:40:51,960
there is never a break in Southbound traffic

2616
03:40:51,960 --> 03:40:53,400
on Brampton Avenue.

2617
03:41:01,890 --> 03:41:05,290
Adding exit traffic from a much-adored grocery chain

2618
03:41:05,890 --> 03:41:09,370
with 200 plus parking spaces will prevent customers

2619
03:41:09,370 --> 03:41:12,130
that frequent the 18 businesses at Brampton Commons

2620
03:41:12,130 --> 03:41:14,210
and beyond ingress and egress.

2621
03:41:14,890 --> 03:41:18,370
It seems a more thoughtful plan would only allow entrance

2622
03:41:18,370 --> 03:41:20,270
from Brampton Avenue and no right

2623
03:41:20,270 --> 03:41:25,870
on red, it all gives spring road to stop it already overloaded intersection from becoming more

2624
03:41:25,870 --> 03:41:28,310
dangerous and protecting existing businesses.

2625
03:41:29,210 --> 03:41:29,910
Thank you very much.

2626
03:41:31,110 --> 03:41:33,830
Next speaker is Alita Kippman.

2627
03:41:43,290 --> 03:41:47,030
Chairman Mahoney, members of the Board of Supervisors, thank you for the opportunity to speak

2628
03:41:47,030 --> 03:41:47,410
tonight.

2629
03:41:47,910 --> 03:41:53,270
My name is Alita Kippman and although I have a running city address, I've been a property

2630
03:41:53,270 --> 03:42:01,490
at Brampton Commons since 1990 and have been business owner in the county since 1985.

2631
03:42:03,310 --> 03:42:14,730
Those of us who work there at Brampton Commons on a daily basis understand that this is a very hazardous situation, leaving the property as polar nails.

2632
03:42:15,230 --> 03:42:22,050
My remarks are not based on a V dot study they come from daily observation of being there and trying to maneuver outside.

2633
03:42:22,050 --> 03:42:28,930
leave the property and making a left-hand turn, especially late afternoon, well, I'd say from

2634
03:42:28,930 --> 03:42:34,570
three o'clock on when the schools let out a hidden valley hospital case-spring middle school.

2635
03:42:35,250 --> 03:42:40,830
What we have found to be a remedy instead of sitting there through at least two cycles of traffic

2636
03:42:40,830 --> 03:42:47,530
lights at the intersection of Caves Spring, I mean, okay Spring Road and Brownleton Avenue

2637
03:42:47,530 --> 03:42:53,730
is that we will take a right-hand turn and then make a UE to come back.

2638
03:42:55,290 --> 03:42:59,150
So, you know, that is not the best traffic-low situation.

2639
03:42:59,970 --> 03:43:06,530
So, I'm thinking that with our entrance and exit, we have one.

2640
03:43:07,010 --> 03:43:14,810
The property that's being under consideration is within 30 yards of where our entrance and exit is,

2641
03:43:14,810 --> 03:43:17,230
which is basically the width of this room.

2642
03:43:17,870 --> 03:43:21,670
So if I'm having to make a UE to get out of my property,

2643
03:43:22,270 --> 03:43:25,450
how about the people that are coming out of the grocery store?

2644
03:43:25,590 --> 03:43:29,530
Are they going to be making UE to get back to the right?

2645
03:43:30,890 --> 03:43:33,930
I don't know, it seems like it's just a recipe for disaster.

2646
03:43:35,610 --> 03:43:38,430
I just don't know what to expect when, if that happens,

2647
03:43:39,710 --> 03:43:43,050
critical to the success of a bricks and mortar business

2648
03:43:43,050 --> 03:43:52,310
is the ability of customers to access it, even a single or slight inconvenience could lead to a decline in sales.

2649
03:43:53,370 --> 03:43:59,510
Customers will shy away from a business that is just too difficult for them to get into and lead.

2650
03:44:00,050 --> 03:44:01,770
Please take that into your consideration.

2651
03:44:02,070 --> 03:44:04,650
I don't know what the remedy is, I don't have one.

2652
03:44:04,650 --> 03:44:16,370
short of not improving the rezoning request, but if you do approve the rezoning request, please give some support and protection to your small business owners in the county.

2653
03:44:17,030 --> 03:44:17,770
Thank you.

2654
03:44:18,090 --> 03:44:20,650
Next speaker is Whitney Smith.

2655
03:44:21,930 --> 03:44:22,930
Whitney Smith.

2656
03:44:25,660 --> 03:44:26,440
Thank you.

2657
03:44:27,360 --> 03:44:30,360
I'm here tonight working late for us.

2658
03:44:30,380 --> 03:44:34,500
I want to reiterate what Ms. Kitten had just said about the you turn.

2659
03:44:34,700 --> 03:44:35,260
Oh my gosh.

2660
03:44:35,260 --> 03:44:41,600
You know, I'm not as just, where you just had a phrase with lies, dang lies, statistics, and they're talking about the traffic.

2661
03:44:42,380 --> 03:44:46,020
The study seems like skylight falls in because I did just a human test.

2662
03:44:46,220 --> 03:44:49,280
Went and stitched it down there for about 20 minutes at the bottom of the hill.

2663
03:44:49,920 --> 03:44:56,800
And there's three car links between when you make coming from Bojangles to make a left-hand turn.

2664
03:44:57,720 --> 03:44:59,740
How in the world there's a lot of traffic going to be going.

2665
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:25,000
Right there. And then when they're not going like she was just saying, you have right on red, come now, okay, spring. And they mentioned that at some point, you could take a left off to 21 into the grocery store. Now, in real life, forget all the statistics. I can't wait to see that happen, especially at certain times of the day. So, I want to reiterate what she just said there.

2666
03:45:25,660 --> 03:45:32,500
Of course, on the traffic, everything that they had brought up in the planning commission by our neighborhood,

2667
03:45:32,600 --> 03:45:39,740
and I forgot to mention, I witnessed that I'm living on the north side in Kingston Court at 46-86.

2668
03:45:40,720 --> 03:45:46,280
So I traveled that road earlier, I had probably taken that route 10,000 times.

2669
03:45:46,620 --> 03:45:49,060
I just don't see how that traffic is going to work.

2670
03:45:49,300 --> 03:45:53,780
And from 18 Willer has to leave there, and they can't get out at okay spring, certain times a day.

2671
03:45:53,780 --> 03:45:58,020
And then they have to leave the main entrance, and they can't do a U-turn through the church.

2672
03:45:58,220 --> 03:46:03,680
I guess they're going to have to drive all the way around through pin-forced and cut through the hospitals.

2673
03:46:04,180 --> 03:46:05,260
Somehow get back to 419.

2674
03:46:06,100 --> 03:46:07,740
So I don't think that's going to work very well either.

2675
03:46:08,160 --> 03:46:14,020
I know everybody's thinking it could be publics and different stores, but I think the secrecy of not knowing who it is.

2676
03:46:14,280 --> 03:46:18,660
It's very important because it could be food line for all on that.

2677
03:46:18,660 --> 03:46:20,800
And if it's food line, we all have two.

2678
03:46:20,800 --> 03:46:25,580
I hate for them to be a third unless it came back close and one, you know, they are.

2679
03:46:25,660 --> 03:46:29,160
So I really think that should be disclosed to the public to begin with.

2680
03:46:30,540 --> 03:46:32,800
And a few things, I do think this should be tabled a little bit.

2681
03:46:33,180 --> 03:46:35,440
I'm so happy that Formatians showed up.

2682
03:46:35,540 --> 03:46:39,260
We have a lot of kids in our neighborhood and parents, it's hard for them to get out tonight.

2683
03:46:40,520 --> 03:46:45,820
But Director of Planning, Mr. Thompson did say after the December 6 meeting that a letter

2684
03:46:45,820 --> 03:46:49,720
would be sent out to the neighborhood to talk about the meeting for tonight.

2685
03:46:49,720 --> 03:46:55,060
It never went out in the minutes from the November first meeting and not in posted on the website.

2686
03:46:55,700 --> 03:46:59,140
So I think it's also had a hard time reading about what happened to have that.

2687
03:46:59,320 --> 03:47:00,600
I mean, I think that's very important.

2688
03:47:02,960 --> 03:47:05,620
And I'd like to reiterate the kind of visualization of sales.

2689
03:47:05,620 --> 03:47:11,180
You know, if you're looking to increase revenue, I just don't see a lot of the south,

2690
03:47:12,100 --> 03:47:15,280
less counting people who go to progure, get their fuel points.

2691
03:47:15,920 --> 03:47:19,480
If they start going to there and go across the street,

2692
03:47:19,920 --> 03:47:23,480
or we really benefiting sales in our area.

2693
03:47:23,900 --> 03:47:25,280
I think you really have to weigh that,

2694
03:47:27,140 --> 03:47:30,340
whereas we do have the new development out there.

2695
03:47:30,460 --> 03:47:31,460
We're not new development.

2696
03:47:34,680 --> 03:47:36,280
I came to think the name of our time ahead.

2697
03:47:36,720 --> 03:47:38,420
When we were, I've never been down nuts and all that is.

2698
03:47:39,160 --> 03:47:40,420
But when we started years ago,

2699
03:47:41,640 --> 03:47:43,480
because of the economy and different things that happened.

2700
03:47:43,960 --> 03:47:46,640
Obviously, it's had to lay that piece of property right there.

2701
03:47:46,640 --> 03:47:51,980
It almost seems like a better fit for a new grocery store and I believe they might have looked at it.

2702
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:52,700
Anyway, thank you.

2703
03:47:53,460 --> 03:47:55,920
I'm hoping to take an opportunity for the store.

2704
03:47:56,960 --> 03:47:59,240
The next speaker is Michelle Davis.

2705
03:48:07,310 --> 03:48:08,090
I will tell you.

2706
03:48:08,530 --> 03:48:10,950
Michelle Davis, 49-09, Kate Spring.

2707
03:48:13,130 --> 03:48:16,690
I have moved to the county, having formally served on Renex City Council.

2708
03:48:16,970 --> 03:48:18,070
It is so good to see you all.

2709
03:48:18,330 --> 03:48:20,630
It's much more nerve-wracking being on this side of the desk.

2710
03:48:20,810 --> 03:48:21,570
I'm being on that side.

2711
03:48:22,630 --> 03:48:26,850
So, recognizing that you all have a very difficult job.

2712
03:48:27,250 --> 03:48:27,990
You will familiar.

2713
03:48:28,310 --> 03:48:28,490
You will familiar.

2714
03:48:28,490 --> 03:48:30,050
I guess that was an easier answer.

2715
03:48:31,350 --> 03:48:35,490
But recognizing, I know a resounding is always a difficult request, especially when you

2716
03:48:35,490 --> 03:48:37,950
have public that are coming out to seek against it.

2717
03:48:38,150 --> 03:48:39,890
And I'm here with my family this evening.

2718
03:48:40,210 --> 03:48:41,510
We all live on the property together.

2719
03:48:41,690 --> 03:48:43,110
We're so thrilled to be in the county.

2720
03:48:43,510 --> 03:48:44,410
I'll tell the people in the city.

2721
03:48:44,490 --> 03:48:44,970
I said that.

2722
03:48:45,210 --> 03:48:46,450
But it is a lovely place.

2723
03:48:46,450 --> 03:48:53,050
And we are on Caves Spring Lane and are directly impacted by the traffic backup on Old Caves

2724
03:48:53,050 --> 03:48:53,630
Spring Road.

2725
03:48:53,810 --> 03:48:54,190
Daily.

2726
03:48:54,690 --> 03:48:58,470
My daughter actually dances at our bell stone right around the corner and getting her to

2727
03:48:58,470 --> 03:49:02,030
dance class and the evenings is a very difficult proposition as it is.

2728
03:49:02,690 --> 03:49:04,190
You've already heard the traffic concerns.

2729
03:49:04,430 --> 03:49:06,030
I don't need to reiterate them for you.

2730
03:49:06,330 --> 03:49:10,630
I think the fatal flaw of the proposal that you all have received is the fact that Old

2731
03:49:10,630 --> 03:49:15,790
Caves Spring Road and Caves Spring Lane intersection have not been studied.

2732
03:49:15,790 --> 03:49:21,590
the traffic already backs up past that intersection on the regular basis. Looking at the

2733
03:49:21,590 --> 03:49:28,830
site plan as it was designed, it seems to me that anyone who was going anywhere, leaving the

2734
03:49:28,830 --> 03:49:34,550
parking lot of the proposed grocery store, anywhere, but up the mountain, is going to have to use

2735
03:49:34,550 --> 03:49:40,110
old cave spring road in order to exit that parking lot. The amount of traffic that that puts on an

2736
03:49:40,110 --> 03:49:46,090
already over traffic road, that I know you all have been working for decades to try and fix

2737
03:49:46,090 --> 03:49:51,290
and have not had the support from the state in order to try and fix that and the funding

2738
03:49:51,290 --> 03:49:55,630
from the state to fix that intersection. But the impact that this measures are will have on

2739
03:49:55,630 --> 03:50:03,310
that already poorly designed intersection is going to be tremendous to the many residents who

2740
03:50:03,310 --> 03:50:08,630
already live back in that area. I think to speak to the bottom line, many people have brought

2741
03:50:08,630 --> 03:50:14,230
the fact that the density of British stores in our area is already significant. I understand

2742
03:50:14,230 --> 03:50:18,850
competition, competition is great, but what happens, you know, the sales tax increase,

2743
03:50:18,970 --> 03:50:23,810
looks really nice on paper and I love the idea, but what happens when it drives one of the other

2744
03:50:23,810 --> 03:50:29,570
grocery stores out of business. And that sales tax base decreases and then you're left at a

2745
03:50:29,570 --> 03:50:34,810
net zero with an empty building that nobody can lease out for many years. I know a lot of money

2746
03:50:34,810 --> 03:50:37,110
and work has already gone into this proposal.

2747
03:50:37,930 --> 03:50:41,250
I see a lot of familiar faces in the room who have worked on this proposal already,

2748
03:50:41,870 --> 03:50:46,910
but I would ask that a minimum that the traffic be studied at Old Cavespring Road

2749
03:50:46,910 --> 03:50:50,610
and Cavespring Lane, based on the Shurne number of residents that live back there

2750
03:50:50,610 --> 03:50:52,790
and have to use that intersection every single day.

2751
03:50:53,410 --> 03:50:55,050
So thank you all. I appreciate your time.

2752
03:50:56,730 --> 03:51:01,030
The final speaker is Shane Dwyer, Shane Dwyer.

2753
03:51:06,720 --> 03:51:10,080
Good evening, Shane Dwyer, 134 keen to be now drive.

2754
03:51:10,240 --> 03:51:14,280
My address is in Rona City, but I do live about 100 yards away from the county line, they're

2755
03:51:14,280 --> 03:51:14,380
out.

2756
03:51:14,680 --> 03:51:18,600
So I don't really have a dog in this fight, but you can tell from that concept proposal,

2757
03:51:18,820 --> 03:51:21,700
there's some unique hints that this is a public, so I just want to voice my support for

2758
03:51:21,700 --> 03:51:25,480
public, so I think it's a great company, and I think it would be a great get to have here

2759
03:51:25,480 --> 03:51:26,360
in the Rona Valley.

2760
03:51:26,460 --> 03:51:27,340
I know myself.

2761
03:51:27,720 --> 03:51:28,500
I work in Salem.

2762
03:51:28,660 --> 03:51:32,360
I would go out of the way to stop the public on my way home and visit that grocery store

2763
03:51:32,360 --> 03:51:36,080
because I do appreciate what they have to offer as compared to Crober and Food Line.

2764
03:51:36,080 --> 03:51:41,280
And some of the other options so a lot of folks here do have very valid points. Again, I don't live on that side of town

2765
03:51:41,280 --> 03:51:50,520
So I wouldn't have to deal with that traffic. So I understand where they are coming from but I hope that if this plan is not work that the county works with the developer to find something else

2766
03:51:50,520 --> 03:51:56,840
The little site over next program at Bonsack. I would welcome very much to be over there put me a little bit closer with there as well

2767
03:51:56,840 --> 03:52:00,380
But hopefully we can come to a conclusion that makes it work for everybody. Thanks.

2768
03:52:00,380 --> 03:52:08,100
I had a speaker that I called out and the speaker didn't show up, so I'll call out again

2769
03:52:08,100 --> 03:52:09,740
a Sharon Maronic

2770
03:52:13,200 --> 03:52:17,020
going once, going twice, and sit.

2771
03:52:17,960 --> 03:52:23,200
Those are all the speakers I have signed up, there's the board, want to take a break, do you

2772
03:52:23,200 --> 03:52:29,750
want to question anybody, I will close the public hearing,

2773
03:52:32,150 --> 03:52:33,230
what's the pleasure of the board?

2774
03:52:35,430 --> 03:52:39,490
It's 833, full speed ahead or you want to break.

2775
03:52:39,770 --> 03:52:41,290
I'm going to keep going.

2776
03:52:41,550 --> 03:52:41,790
Keep going.

2777
03:52:42,190 --> 03:52:43,130
All right.

2778
03:52:43,950 --> 03:52:45,470
Once the pleasure of the board,

2779
03:52:45,690 --> 03:52:48,850
we want to talk to a veto to we want that.

2780
03:52:49,290 --> 03:52:51,370
Yeah, I like to have.

2781
03:52:51,650 --> 03:52:54,430
Mr. Levins, you are up.

2782
03:52:55,010 --> 03:52:56,650
He was thrown behind by a human.

2783
03:52:56,650 --> 03:52:57,590
I saw him duck down.

2784
03:53:02,780 --> 03:53:03,620
Good evening.

2785
03:53:03,620 --> 03:53:15,800
Bromble Evans on the Salem Resident Engineer V dot, our office was the one that received this concept plan in the study provided comments and provided our concurrence.

2786
03:53:15,980 --> 03:53:17,400
Any questions for me?

2787
03:53:18,280 --> 03:53:18,440
Yes.

2788
03:53:19,520 --> 03:53:30,680
So you heard comments from the people that were speaking about case-praying, laying, and all case-praying in the intersection,

2789
03:53:30,680 --> 03:53:38,460
wasn't studied and asked the traffic guy with an additional, but young and recommended that

2790
03:53:38,460 --> 03:53:45,240
would be impacted. So, it's impacted now from what we hear, by the way, I dropped through

2791
03:53:45,240 --> 03:53:51,820
there all the time. So, sometimes it's backed up, sometimes it's not. I actually had an accident

2792
03:53:51,820 --> 03:54:00,380
that they're back in the late, in the late 90s, a snowy day, calls that.

2793
03:54:00,960 --> 03:54:08,180
But give me some insight on, and also, I know we had, we were going to take an old

2794
03:54:08,180 --> 03:54:11,180
McVidey road one day and expand that to four lanes.

2795
03:54:11,720 --> 03:54:16,860
So maybe you can kind of tell us about that, or whatever, why not, okay, not four lanes.

2796
03:54:19,220 --> 03:54:24,860
Yeah, I'll talk about the study and the recommendations for the number of intersections first.

2797
03:54:25,140 --> 03:54:30,300
I think one thing to explain and maybe the petitioner wouldn't be able to explain that is that,

2798
03:54:30,300 --> 03:54:34,220
at least with a study of this size for what they are anticipating for trips,

2799
03:54:34,520 --> 03:54:37,700
we not really can only require improvements on the front edge of the property.

2800
03:54:38,480 --> 03:54:41,960
The front edge of the property only includes a small portion of all case freeing lane

2801
03:54:41,960 --> 03:54:44,200
and a small portion of Bramleton Avenue.

2802
03:54:45,300 --> 03:54:49,320
The number of studies that they did, the number of intersections that they actually studied

2803
03:54:49,820 --> 03:54:54,620
really was only to look at major impacts and major intersections and for the flow of traffic

2804
03:54:54,620 --> 03:54:59,540
along with three signals, because as they stated, there are some operation when she was there

2805
03:54:59,540 --> 03:55:02,200
during the peak hours and on Saturdays.

2806
03:55:03,420 --> 03:55:08,500
The only reason why the intersection of McViddy in all case-free lane was included was simply

2807
03:55:08,500 --> 03:55:10,480
because the fact that for most the cut true traffic

2808
03:55:10,480 --> 03:55:13,240
from 118 to 118 to 118 come from,

2809
03:55:14,440 --> 03:55:16,240
it was being the okay spring lane,

2810
03:55:16,460 --> 03:55:17,740
while it could have been included,

2811
03:55:18,940 --> 03:55:23,240
might see a sliding tree sin traffic from this grocery store,

2812
03:55:23,480 --> 03:55:25,040
but the change is there would be minimal,

2813
03:55:25,480 --> 03:55:27,860
at least for what's coming out, and going in,

2814
03:55:28,160 --> 03:55:29,620
because there's other ways out of that neighborhood,

2815
03:55:29,840 --> 03:55:31,380
they don't really have to come out that way

2816
03:55:31,380 --> 03:55:32,500
unless they're going to this area

2817
03:55:32,500 --> 03:55:34,720
to shop or go to work or something like that.

2818
03:55:35,840 --> 03:55:37,740
So there was really no reason to include it,

2819
03:55:37,740 --> 03:55:42,680
Plus, we couldn't in front of a pretty improvements there anyway, and it may have just identified

2820
03:55:42,680 --> 03:55:48,200
an issue that already exists and may not have actually identified anything new.

2821
03:55:49,180 --> 03:55:51,160
As for the project, they are correct.

2822
03:55:51,280 --> 03:55:55,020
We have been working on a project for, we had a project on the books for a number of years,

2823
03:55:55,260 --> 03:56:00,700
decades, I think they said, but, unfortunately, after preliminary engineering and right

2824
03:56:00,700 --> 03:56:05,280
of way, which we do already own right of way through there, we could not obtain the funding

2825
03:56:05,280 --> 03:56:09,240
and including partner with the county and multiple different applications in all

2826
03:56:09,240 --> 03:56:14,520
different ways to actually expand and straighten the city slightly and it would have

2827
03:56:14,520 --> 03:56:17,300
included some of the improvements that the developers do in the day which includes

2828
03:56:17,300 --> 03:56:22,160
extend in that right turn. That will improve the operations at the intersection including

2829
03:56:22,160 --> 03:56:25,920
the restriping that are doing some minor restriping on the opposite side of the

2830
03:56:25,920 --> 03:56:31,460
intersection which will also improve some of the operations, the intersection, kind of decreasing

2831
03:56:31,460 --> 03:56:32,860
the lay it overall.

2832
03:56:35,140 --> 03:56:43,820
I'd like to know your opinion of their access and the egress on the

2833
03:56:43,820 --> 03:56:49,580
Bramleton Avenue, real close to an existing business and close to your traffic light.

2834
03:56:54,100 --> 03:56:55,900
The apparently

2835
03:56:55,900 --> 03:57:00,960
being the acceptable and acceptable we can care what the study there will be some folks using

2836
03:57:00,960 --> 03:57:06,100
that to drop back on the ramletons in the go south on to 21 towards BET Mound.

2837
03:57:06,680 --> 03:57:10,780
In general, we do have some access management requirements that they're supposed to follow,

2838
03:57:11,400 --> 03:57:18,500
but within this situation, the pressure that it relieved off of the full access off of all case

2839
03:57:18,500 --> 03:57:25,620
ring lane made it to where it was beneficial for us to approve this and allow it to stay

2840
03:57:26,900 --> 03:57:33,040
The other intersections, while I understand they likely do have operational issues during the

2841
03:57:33,040 --> 03:57:37,980
peak hours, if that development were to construct it today, it likely wouldn't get anything

2842
03:57:37,980 --> 03:57:42,640
more than a right-and-right out similar to what the grocery store is proposing.

2843
03:57:44,360 --> 03:57:50,980
So the neighborhood is just west, Brampton Commons, very familiar with that area, that complex

2844
03:57:50,980 --> 03:57:54,600
I've been in and out of it myself personally.

2845
03:57:56,080 --> 03:58:01,520
I always go right and never go left because I don't want to wait there for 20 minutes.

2846
03:58:02,380 --> 03:58:04,540
So I'll fill their pain.

2847
03:58:06,160 --> 03:58:14,300
I'm just wondering, I'll ask the petitioner that about that access out with being so close

2848
03:58:14,300 --> 03:58:15,260
to right there.

2849
03:58:21,770 --> 03:58:26,330
But in there was a question about, well, you're not going to have anything to do.

2850
03:58:26,330 --> 03:58:28,530
with the police report. That's another question.

2851
03:58:30,270 --> 03:58:31,230
That's all I have.

2852
03:58:31,650 --> 03:58:33,010
Any other questions, Mr. Blubbins?

2853
03:58:34,350 --> 03:58:34,650
A couple.

2854
03:58:38,340 --> 03:58:45,740
One of the speakers talked about, from Bramilton Commons, talked about the difficulties

2855
03:58:45,740 --> 03:58:53,120
of the exiting Bramilton Commons, and then the impacts of the right turnout from the proposed development.

2856
03:58:53,120 --> 03:59:03,300
And a concern that have been expressed with the right turn on red from the existing intersection.

2857
03:59:05,200 --> 03:59:13,120
Due to the possible substantial increase in traffic if this development were,

2858
03:59:15,140 --> 03:59:25,220
We'd veto perhaps go back and look at not allowing right turn on red, or would you think

2859
03:59:25,220 --> 03:59:31,340
that that would cause more problems in terms of stacking, coming out of what I would

2860
03:59:31,340 --> 03:59:35,160
call the main entrance and exit for the proposed development.

2861
03:59:36,100 --> 03:59:37,300
You follow where I'm going?

2862
03:59:38,260 --> 03:59:43,120
I would have to leave a little bit on the traffic engineer for the developer to see what they would

2863
03:59:43,120 --> 03:59:50,600
for sure, but I can tell you that right turn on reds reduce cues throughout the cycle of the signal.

2864
03:59:51,060 --> 03:59:56,420
If you were to stop all of the traffic there and not allow that right turn on red, especially if you have

2865
03:59:56,420 --> 03:59:59,980
plant-upal sight distance and no other reason to stop it, you know, because...

2866
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,820
Generally, that's the only reason why we would not allow right turn on red is because of the site distance issue, which you don't have there.

2867
04:00:07,060 --> 04:00:15,120
It would likely cause the signal to go, like, cause at least that leg to go into operational issue of AF or worse.

2868
04:00:16,160 --> 04:00:23,520
And I don't think it would operate exceptably, and likely the right turnling would not function the way they anticipate in their study.

2869
04:00:23,520 --> 04:00:30,440
And if you put all the traffic from the development to go right out there only, it definitely

2870
04:00:30,440 --> 04:00:31,180
wouldn't work.

2871
04:00:31,580 --> 04:00:34,620
You know, because right now they have the option to go right out on Bramontiner right

2872
04:00:34,620 --> 04:00:38,740
out there, if you were to stop it, it would queue back.

2873
04:00:38,840 --> 04:00:40,800
I'm almost positive during the peak hours.

2874
04:00:41,660 --> 04:00:47,480
The second question, feelings that the stacking were a five on colonial and a

2875
04:00:47,480 --> 04:00:53,180
crossing over Brambleton, and then I want to make a left turn into the project.

2876
04:00:53,820 --> 04:00:59,240
And we were talking about a 75 foot distance, stacking lane.

2877
04:01:01,400 --> 04:01:03,640
How many cars can I put in 75 feet?

2878
04:01:05,140 --> 04:01:10,540
In general, at least as far as engineers look at it, we think about 25 feet per car, cars not

2879
04:01:10,540 --> 04:01:17,460
25 feet long, but you have to think about buffer distances and shot distances and a lot of

2880
04:01:17,460 --> 04:01:24,400
So they can look at their cell phone and their stuff, but that's about three to four cars.

2881
04:01:24,480 --> 04:01:29,260
Plus as they stated, it is a back-to-back termling with the left-termling from Old Case Ringland

2882
04:01:29,260 --> 04:01:30,980
in Northbound on to 21.

2883
04:01:31,960 --> 04:01:36,120
So again, if there was, if there happened to be some reason why they couldn't get out,

2884
04:01:36,340 --> 04:01:42,260
why they couldn't make that left-turn across, they could stack further into that left-termling,

2885
04:01:42,520 --> 04:01:46,460
which it does get some traffic there, but most of the time they're going to do the intersection

2886
04:01:46,460 --> 04:01:50,560
need to want to go straight, or they want to go south, most of those that would not

2887
04:01:50,560 --> 04:01:54,840
go left there, unless they're going to the Crowger or the Four Nineteen, which means

2888
04:01:54,840 --> 04:01:56,420
they did the cut there for no reason.

2889
04:01:58,140 --> 04:02:03,480
Final question, if I'm at the development, and I'm exiting on okay, spring,

2890
04:02:06,500 --> 04:02:06,580
I'm

2891
04:02:06,580 --> 04:02:08,200
going to make a left turn there.

2892
04:02:08,740 --> 04:02:14,160
I would think that that would be fairly dangerous because I have all the traffic coming

2893
04:02:14,160 --> 04:02:17,020
towards Brambleton, and I've all this other traffic

2894
04:02:17,020 --> 04:02:20,560
queuing up to make a left turn in.

2895
04:02:21,260 --> 04:02:26,200
Would you see a realistic option of making a left turn there

2896
04:02:26,680 --> 04:02:28,940
because there's one of the speakers said,

2897
04:02:29,220 --> 04:02:32,940
if I'm making a right turn out only on the Brambleton,

2898
04:02:33,440 --> 04:02:34,960
at some point in time, I'm going to go

2899
04:02:34,960 --> 04:02:37,020
with short distance sound Brambleton and do a U-turn,

2900
04:02:37,240 --> 04:02:38,640
which is probably just as dangerous.

2901
04:02:40,880 --> 04:02:44,360
It almost seems like if

2902
04:02:46,470 --> 04:02:49,730
I live further back in Windsor Hills, I'd be making a left turn

2903
04:02:49,730 --> 04:02:53,870
out of that development, I'm not going to be making a right turn out on the Brambleton,

2904
04:02:54,030 --> 04:02:56,150
and I'm going to be going out on those case-grain laying.

2905
04:02:57,430 --> 04:03:01,530
I just question whether that is a realistic opportunity.

2906
04:03:03,290 --> 04:03:05,030
It will be just as much as anything else.

2907
04:03:05,230 --> 04:03:10,170
I mean, I think you'd have a better distance here that's from where this entrance exists

2908
04:03:10,170 --> 04:03:12,490
than from where the credit rate prints exist on colonial.

2909
04:03:13,210 --> 04:03:14,070
And it's pretty short.

2910
04:03:14,330 --> 04:03:16,650
You've got four or five lanes you have to cross.

2911
04:03:17,050 --> 04:03:19,550
In this situation, you're probably only going to have two.

2912
04:03:19,690 --> 04:03:20,850
Plus, you're looking up great.

2913
04:03:21,170 --> 04:03:24,330
Instead of downgrade, you should be able to see cars

2914
04:03:24,330 --> 04:03:25,790
making turning movements in there

2915
04:03:25,790 --> 04:03:27,130
to anticipate what they're doing.

2916
04:03:27,730 --> 04:03:29,390
If a large enough vehicle of bus

2917
04:03:29,390 --> 04:03:32,310
or a truck, you could have limited instances where sight

2918
04:03:32,310 --> 04:03:33,390
distance could be blocked.

2919
04:03:33,870 --> 04:03:36,090
In which case, they really should wait until they can see

2920
04:03:36,090 --> 04:03:39,070
or make a right turn out and go back to four or 19

2921
04:03:39,070 --> 04:03:40,270
and go around the other one.

2922
04:03:40,330 --> 04:03:43,070
It's a good example because I've made the left turn coming out

2923
04:03:43,070 --> 04:03:45,610
of Croger back on the colonial bone, the other way.

2924
04:03:46,810 --> 04:03:47,510
It's very exciting.

2925
04:03:49,190 --> 04:03:51,070
That's a well-known intersection, yes sir.

2926
04:03:51,370 --> 04:03:53,130
Well, thank you, Mr. North.

2927
04:03:53,270 --> 04:03:54,350
Two questions for you.

2928
04:03:54,370 --> 04:03:57,150
One unrelated to the transportation issue.

2929
04:03:57,270 --> 04:04:01,690
But the first one, the transportation issue, I heard about all this tack,

2930
04:04:02,250 --> 04:04:04,610
and we've got some stack of issues over the island of District.

2931
04:04:04,650 --> 04:04:05,910
I'm not going to get into them.

2932
04:04:05,910 --> 04:04:07,730
You know exactly what I'm talking about.

2933
04:04:08,110 --> 04:04:08,170
Yes.

2934
04:04:08,170 --> 04:04:11,310
And now that that's property is in Mr. Peters' side of the road,

2935
04:04:11,530 --> 04:04:13,510
he's only looking at the few phone calls in the future.

2936
04:04:14,150 --> 04:04:15,230
So I got a red press to see.

2937
04:04:15,230 --> 04:04:15,990
Bring him away, bring him away.

2938
04:04:15,990 --> 04:04:16,430
Bring him away, bring him away.

2939
04:04:16,690 --> 04:04:19,250
And he says, bring it all in, and those people already

2940
04:04:19,770 --> 04:04:23,430
really enchanted by the experience of putting that in,

2941
04:04:23,750 --> 04:04:25,270
but still is a problem.

2942
04:04:25,870 --> 04:04:27,310
Never going to go away.

2943
04:04:27,830 --> 04:04:29,250
That's my story on that.

2944
04:04:29,590 --> 04:04:32,610
The second question I'm related to transportation is,

2945
04:04:32,630 --> 04:04:34,010
would be not owned this property.

2946
04:04:35,150 --> 04:04:37,290
Then you'll ever have anybody approaching them

2947
04:04:37,290 --> 04:04:44,210
behind the property. I'm sure, yeah, I believe we did. Yeah, it occasionally comes up.

2948
04:04:44,430 --> 04:04:46,190
Okay, thank you. All I have.

2949
04:04:48,430 --> 04:04:50,770
Any further questions? Yeah, I have a question for the

2950
04:04:51,530 --> 04:04:52,210
petitioner.

2951
04:04:56,370 --> 04:04:58,130
You're going to be full.

2952
04:05:07,310 --> 04:05:14,910
Yeah, so I appreciate the Department to place someone in association coming up and

2953
04:05:14,910 --> 04:05:17,790
making their oral comments and written comments.

2954
04:05:19,810 --> 04:05:23,450
Part four, did they send you any of their comments?

2955
04:05:24,570 --> 04:05:27,770
We did receive a letter from the HLA,

2956
04:05:28,070 --> 04:05:30,030
from the planning department.

2957
04:05:31,590 --> 04:05:33,670
So they listed the gosh.

2958
04:05:34,150 --> 04:05:40,570
Let's see, six, ten recommendations.

2959
04:05:41,750 --> 04:05:44,010
Looks like you did a couple of them.

2960
04:05:45,170 --> 04:05:50,350
from that recommendation, but it's like it's a big more expanded list.

2961
04:05:50,370 --> 04:05:58,610
I'm not going to go through all of them, but you went from one meeting, you went to a

2962
04:05:58,610 --> 04:06:08,830
30-foot buffer to a 40-foot buffer, so I mean that's quite a bit more shrubbery or trees

2963
04:06:08,830 --> 04:06:10,850
So whatever that you're putting in there, correct?

2964
04:06:11,950 --> 04:06:12,430
Sorry.

2965
04:06:14,310 --> 04:06:17,410
And the fence, I'd ask you early about the material.

2966
04:06:18,350 --> 04:06:22,910
And I figured I heard a couple of speakers say they prefer wood, because the vinyl

2967
04:06:22,910 --> 04:06:26,830
is going to look like not to attractive.

2968
04:06:26,910 --> 04:06:29,610
Wood will look pretty good.

2969
04:06:29,670 --> 04:06:32,630
I know it has a little more higher maintenance on it.

2970
04:06:32,650 --> 04:06:37,470
I'm not asking you to offer that, but I'm just un-suggesting that might be something.

2971
04:06:37,470 --> 04:06:43,330
At eight to eight, it's more than likely it will be with file fences, get a little flimsy at eight feet.

2972
04:06:46,230 --> 04:06:47,450
Talk about lighting.

2973
04:06:47,730 --> 04:06:49,130
I'm certain I haven't talked about lighting.

2974
04:06:49,470 --> 04:06:50,890
Mr. Northboard up lighting.

2975
04:06:53,530 --> 04:06:54,910
I'm in development myself.

2976
04:06:55,490 --> 04:06:57,350
So, and I want to cut off shield is.

2977
04:06:58,250 --> 04:07:01,590
But you're at a higher elevation than the Farmington people.

2978
04:07:02,590 --> 04:07:04,490
So, you might have it cut down.

2979
04:07:04,490 --> 04:07:17,490
But, if they're below, they can see under that shield, so you've got to do an extended shield, if so they don't get that glare back from it, because you're up here, and they're down there.

2980
04:07:23,900 --> 04:07:26,620
Recommendation of turning lights off at night.

2981
04:07:27,080 --> 04:07:30,040
I'm sure you guys want to conserve energy,

2982
04:07:32,520 --> 04:07:35,200
and I don't know what your tenant, what the tenants,

2983
04:07:36,400 --> 04:07:42,600
protocols for turning off. I mean, if they had 50 lights, would they turn off 25 lights?

2984
04:07:43,960 --> 04:07:45,400
Do you have any experience with that?

2985
04:07:46,160 --> 04:07:51,100
Some sinners do that. A lot will keep them on if attempt is an issue of public safety overnight.

2986
04:07:51,840 --> 04:07:54,440
You don't want to make it a convenient spot to order.

2987
04:07:54,820 --> 04:07:55,140
Okay.

2988
04:07:56,220 --> 04:07:57,040
All right.

2989
04:08:00,910 --> 04:08:04,010
The storm water management facility

2990
04:08:05,170 --> 04:08:11,310
Does the engineer detail that any on the concept plan is that a bug brown is just a ditch, is it underground?

2991
04:08:12,410 --> 04:08:18,150
There's no detail for the concept plan, but our preliminary studies are leading us to an underground facility.

2992
04:08:18,230 --> 04:08:19,730
That's from a great standpoint.

2993
04:08:20,550 --> 04:08:21,290
Okay, to get them all in.

2994
04:08:22,090 --> 04:08:22,670
All right.

2995
04:08:35,440 --> 04:08:45,080
There was a mention quite a few times about the adjoining neighbor to the west of you of that property called Bramilton Commons.

2996
04:08:45,080 --> 04:08:53,380
Commons, how would the tenant feel if we only had an entrance in and out an exit door now,

2997
04:08:53,880 --> 04:08:54,720
all of that impact?

2998
04:08:55,500 --> 04:08:59,360
I don't think our traffic would function without that right out.

2999
04:08:59,500 --> 04:09:02,340
They don't cut too much pressure on the intersection that okay, spring.

3000
04:09:12,530 --> 04:09:13,850
That's all I have Mr. Chairman.

3001
04:09:14,870 --> 04:09:15,050
Thank you.

3002
04:09:15,490 --> 04:09:16,690
Any other questions for the applicant?

3003
04:09:18,370 --> 04:09:18,890
Thank you.

3004
04:09:23,490 --> 04:09:27,570
What's the pleasure to board discussion, debate, motion?

3005
04:09:28,850 --> 04:09:34,730
Well, I did my district, so I'll start off.

3006
04:09:35,970 --> 04:09:40,210
I want to kind of relate a story,

3007
04:09:42,330 --> 04:09:45,770
and I'm so grateful for all the residents coming out

3008
04:09:45,770 --> 04:09:49,350
here and giving us their information.

3009
04:09:49,350 --> 04:10:01,170
I do want to try to alleviate some fears, so in the early 90s, my wife and I moved back to

3010
04:10:01,170 --> 04:10:05,970
Runok and we moved on Colonial Avenue right behind the Mechermack.

3011
04:10:07,110 --> 04:10:15,010
And while we were living there, Harris Keeter petitioned to get a special use permit get there.

3012
04:10:15,010 --> 04:10:23,210
So I, along with all my neighbors that were behind that vacant building went through the

3013
04:10:23,210 --> 04:10:29,590
same rezoning planning commission process that all of you have, you've been telling me.

3014
04:10:31,570 --> 04:10:33,930
And we said the same things.

3015
04:10:34,150 --> 04:10:41,370
We talked about the same items, about traffic backing up to where we live and all our

3016
04:10:41,370 --> 04:10:44,050
driveways that back up off of the Colonial Avenue.

3017
04:10:47,090 --> 04:10:52,490
Yeah, we had a little more traffic, but they improved the intersection for us.

3018
04:10:52,990 --> 04:10:58,770
And we were able to get, I mean, we were able to turn out of our driveways left to right.

3019
04:10:58,890 --> 04:11:05,110
They also improved the Colonial Avenue because it had a hill that we had to maneuver going

3020
04:11:05,110 --> 04:11:06,550
over to that roundabout.

3021
04:11:06,550 --> 04:11:12,190
So, traffic seemed to work itself out in that scenario.

3022
04:11:13,290 --> 04:11:18,750
After the approval of the Harris Teter in the O'Mickermack,

3023
04:11:21,590 --> 04:11:24,370
my family got large and the house got too small.

3024
04:11:25,130 --> 04:11:27,810
And we sold a house about three years after that.

3025
04:11:28,130 --> 04:11:29,310
We didn't lose any value.

3026
04:11:29,470 --> 04:11:33,130
There was no drop in valuation in the real estate.

3027
04:11:33,130 --> 04:11:36,850
So I don't think that's going to hurt the devaluation.

3028
04:11:37,690 --> 04:11:43,790
I have residents up in Bent Mountain that have a pipeline going through their properties

3029
04:11:43,790 --> 04:11:45,390
and they're still selling their houses.

3030
04:11:46,970 --> 04:11:52,850
So across America and our nation, we have homes, residents,

3031
04:11:53,250 --> 04:11:57,190
residential areas that back up to grocery stores,

3032
04:11:57,190 --> 04:12:06,950
my own children live in Austin, Texas, and Denver, and both of them are very close to it.

3033
04:12:07,090 --> 04:12:09,290
Their houses weren't backed up to it.

3034
04:12:09,870 --> 04:12:16,690
But several times when I was able to walk from their house to those grocery stores, that was sort of convenient.

3035
04:12:16,890 --> 04:12:23,650
And I know Austin, Texas, and Denver, Colorado, we're talking cities, and that's urban living.

3036
04:12:23,650 --> 04:12:27,570
But it was available and it did hurt the value of those homes.

3037
04:12:27,950 --> 04:12:32,570
I thought my kids paid too much for those homes where they were, but that's, that's

3038
04:12:32,570 --> 04:12:33,370
their dad's speaking.

3039
04:12:35,230 --> 04:12:42,850
So, you know, I cannot alleviate these fears and concerns about traffic.

3040
04:12:43,930 --> 04:12:46,890
We have that with all the resumes that we go through.

3041
04:12:46,890 --> 04:13:04,490
It comes up and I don't know what we can do through the development review process, but I would hope that we can look at that and get some data or get some information as we go through that process.

3042
04:13:05,750 --> 04:13:10,470
With that said, Mr. Chairman, I'm very...

3043
04:13:10,470 --> 04:13:11,470
I'm so cognizant.

3044
04:13:12,230 --> 04:13:12,810
I'm sorry.

3045
04:13:14,210 --> 04:13:14,770
Mr. North?

3046
04:13:15,230 --> 04:13:16,590
Thank you.

3047
04:13:17,450 --> 04:13:19,330
Well, I live in the houses district today.

3048
04:13:19,590 --> 04:13:21,450
I'm lived over here in Southwest County.

3049
04:13:22,010 --> 04:13:23,670
I'll book them out in the room.

3050
04:13:24,910 --> 04:13:26,970
I lived in two houses there.

3051
04:13:27,210 --> 04:13:30,490
Many years ago when I was a much younger fellow.

3052
04:13:30,490 --> 04:13:35,370
used to drive that road. When I had an RXM sports car, I really loved going around

3053
04:13:35,370 --> 04:13:40,430
phase frame. That car was tight on that road. Unlike maybe a truck like

3054
04:13:40,430 --> 04:13:46,270
Mr. Bradford drive today. But you know, I've saw some accidents as the

3055
04:13:46,270 --> 04:13:56,230
end of both intersections. And that was back in 1993, actually, in 1983 to

3056
04:13:56,230 --> 04:13:56,830
93.

3057
04:13:59,140 --> 04:14:05,340
There's the same real estate that location, location, location, and there's a lot of truth

3058
04:14:05,340 --> 04:14:06,060
of that.

3059
04:14:09,560 --> 04:14:15,000
I'm usually very supportive of these type of applicants, because I know that the revenue

3060
04:14:15,000 --> 04:14:22,320
generated from the taxes of the land coupled with the sales revenue taxes, generates revenue

3061
04:14:22,320 --> 04:14:27,840
so that we can provide and continue to provide services that are second to none and road

3062
04:14:27,840 --> 04:14:30,160
County compared to other parts of the state.

3063
04:14:31,380 --> 04:14:38,360
However, in my personal opinion from listening to everyone today, this is just two intense

3064
04:14:39,200 --> 04:14:46,700
of a area for this surrounding residential community, as well as a runway infrastructure.

3065
04:14:47,000 --> 04:14:53,320
I think we're trying to put something there that's complex, challenging, and it's going to

3066
04:14:53,320 --> 04:14:59,900
create a lot of complaints from citizens in the future, our department's going to get many

3067
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:25,480
I have to take a lot of time to address them over and over again. I think though that we have other better county locations and our economic development people are here. I would like to the applicant to consider those other locations for this grocery store. I also believe that it's in a tense area with a lot of commercial grocery stores already.

3068
04:15:26,980 --> 04:15:32,820
There has been others in the Roanoke County area in the city that did make it very long.

3069
04:15:33,100 --> 04:15:39,440
After they put thousands of millions of dollars into their site improvements and now they're closed.

3070
04:15:40,860 --> 04:15:43,760
So I would like to see more housing on this development.

3071
04:15:44,440 --> 04:15:52,900
And I believe that this community in the county at large has a growing need for more starter homes for young people,

3072
04:15:52,900 --> 04:16:00,300
but also for retirees and people in one of downsides to patio homes, they're in high demand

3073
04:16:00,300 --> 04:16:02,100
all over the county and all areas.

3074
04:16:03,420 --> 04:16:07,960
So put simply for these reasons, I probably cannot support this project.

3075
04:16:14,070 --> 04:16:14,210
Thank you.

3076
04:16:15,090 --> 04:16:25,270
I just have a few comments and I too really wanted to support this project, but after hearing

3077
04:16:25,270 --> 04:16:33,030
to the citizens make a difference and I appreciate you coming tonight and even at the late

3078
04:16:33,030 --> 04:16:39,990
hour hanging with us while we really, we really process all this information and try to

3079
04:16:39,990 --> 04:16:46,470
make the right decisions because it's tough, it's a tough process but I'm concerned about

3080
04:16:46,470 --> 04:16:54,370
with incumbents. I'm concerned about those small businesses. We're, you know, we're potentially

3081
04:16:54,370 --> 04:17:02,350
sacrificing one area for another, and I don't like that. I really, I struggle with that.

3082
04:17:02,890 --> 04:17:08,510
And there was a, there was a comment about, we don't need another grocery store, and I don't,

3083
04:17:08,710 --> 04:17:13,110
I understand what you're saying because there are several in that area, competitions always

3084
04:17:13,810 --> 04:17:19,930
I would say that right there in between, you know, with point three miles in between all of them might be a little

3085
04:17:19,930 --> 04:17:22,950
a little close for all of them, but competition is a good thing.

3086
04:17:24,630 --> 04:17:33,370
My third comment was, Ms. Davis, I thought your commentary as others mentioned it too about old case-bring road and case-bring lane.

3087
04:17:33,370 --> 04:17:41,130
I think you were right on with some of that commentary. It has impacted this whether or not it's, you know, on paper,

3088
04:17:41,130 --> 04:17:47,430
supposed to be impacting that I believe that it truly is, the right in and the right out on

3089
04:17:47,430 --> 04:17:55,990
Brambleton for this new development potentially I think is just difficult at best and for the

3090
04:17:55,990 --> 04:18:01,850
amount of money that would be invested into this property and to we want it to be the right thing.

3091
04:18:02,190 --> 04:18:08,870
We want it to be the right thing with the right infrastructure is what we're as what we're really

3092
04:18:08,870 --> 04:18:09,910
looking for, I believe.

3093
04:18:10,970 --> 04:18:14,590
I don't think that the residents would drop in value.

3094
04:18:14,730 --> 04:18:16,650
I don't think that the homes would drop in value.

3095
04:18:16,650 --> 04:18:18,590
I really don't have seen too many times

3096
04:18:18,590 --> 04:18:21,570
where I was concerned about these kinds of situations.

3097
04:18:23,110 --> 04:18:24,470
And we haven't seen it.

3098
04:18:24,630 --> 04:18:28,550
But that being said, I'm on this bend right now,

3099
04:18:28,570 --> 04:18:31,770
where we have got to be protecting our R1.

3100
04:18:32,230 --> 04:18:34,150
We have got to be protecting it.

3101
04:18:34,150 --> 04:18:39,150
We have too much encouragement, too much coming in on them.

3102
04:18:40,370 --> 04:18:43,770
And so I will not be supporting the petition.

3103
04:18:44,170 --> 04:18:44,970
Thank you.

3104
04:18:50,440 --> 04:18:51,780
Let me make a couple comments.

3105
04:18:51,880 --> 04:18:57,120
Comment number one is, I try to follow what we have,

3106
04:18:57,120 --> 04:19:01,600
what we as a county have adopted in our comprehensive plan

3107
04:19:01,600 --> 04:19:04,780
in terms of neighborhood conservation and transition.

3108
04:19:06,540 --> 04:19:11,140
Again, that is a guide, it's not an ordinance, it's not a mandated requirement, but I try

3109
04:19:11,140 --> 04:19:12,820
to follow that a lot.

3110
04:19:13,800 --> 04:19:17,020
My concern about this site is it's a very challenging site.

3111
04:19:18,280 --> 04:19:23,760
But what we have left in Rono County are only challenging sites.

3112
04:19:24,180 --> 04:19:26,220
All of the easy sites have been developed.

3113
04:19:27,060 --> 04:19:32,980
We are not like Rono City where we have a central business or industrial or commercial

3114
04:19:32,980 --> 04:19:40,900
core. I use the example of Bruno County's development or like wagon wheels. If you think

3115
04:19:40,900 --> 04:19:47,260
of the spokes on the wagon wheel, the spokes are our primary highways, whether they are

3116
04:19:48,040 --> 04:19:56,620
460, or 60 West, or 60 East, whether they're 419, whether they're around 24, our development

3117
04:19:56,620 --> 04:20:02,720
runs along those primary roads. And so we have commercial and industrial

3118
04:20:02,720 --> 04:20:09,260
development along those primary roads, but you go one block off that primary road and we have

3119
04:20:09,260 --> 04:20:15,160
residential neighborhoods. And so every time we have a commercial development, that commercial

3120
04:20:15,160 --> 04:20:24,900
development could have an impact on that residential development. In my mind, if we can't put

3121
04:20:24,900 --> 04:20:31,360
a major commercial development on a four lane divided highway where we have a traffic signal,

3122
04:20:31,360 --> 04:20:35,120
We can't put commercial development in any place in rural life.

3123
04:20:36,160 --> 04:20:45,980
We're not talking about putting a large commercial development back off, you know, in a rural farming area where you don't have access to the road.

3124
04:20:47,160 --> 04:20:50,320
This is a four lane divided highway. That's what Brambleton is.

3125
04:20:51,360 --> 04:20:56,660
And yes, we have residential neighborhood that's blocked off, and I understand that.

3126
04:20:56,660 --> 04:21:01,480
but I think that's true of almost every one of our developments throughout the county.

3127
04:21:03,320 --> 04:21:11,840
I understand the argument of, do we need a grocery store assuming this is public? I don't know if it's

3128
04:21:11,840 --> 04:21:20,520
public or not. I've heard the rumors also. I'm not here to discriminate between

3129
04:21:21,580 --> 04:21:28,160
publics, encroager, or Harris, teeter, or food lion, if you look at our, if you look at

3130
04:21:28,160 --> 04:21:33,080
our rezonings in Ronald County over the last couple of years, we have been inundated

3131
04:21:33,660 --> 04:21:39,780
with car washes up and down for 19. We must have the cleanest cars in the whole world.

3132
04:21:39,920 --> 04:21:47,440
We got so many car washes here. I can't deny a rezoning for a car wash. If some fool wants

3133
04:21:47,440 --> 04:21:50,600
to build another car wash and lose his investment.

3134
04:21:51,280 --> 04:21:52,660
That's his problem, not mine.

3135
04:21:53,660 --> 04:21:55,440
Likewise, with many warehouses.

3136
04:21:56,080 --> 04:21:57,500
We got many warehouses everywhere.

3137
04:21:59,380 --> 04:22:03,320
So if another grocery store wants to come in,

3138
04:22:03,500 --> 04:22:04,600
I wish him luck.

3139
04:22:05,600 --> 04:22:06,980
You crops went down the tubes.

3140
04:22:07,060 --> 04:22:09,220
Harris Teder got bought out.

3141
04:22:09,400 --> 04:22:10,360
That's competition.

3142
04:22:10,600 --> 04:22:11,320
That's capitalism.

3143
04:22:11,660 --> 04:22:12,640
That's the free market.

3144
04:22:12,740 --> 04:22:13,820
That's what we live by.

3145
04:22:13,940 --> 04:22:15,520
That's what we claim we live by.

3146
04:22:16,300 --> 04:22:18,220
I'm okay with that.

3147
04:22:20,060 --> 04:22:29,250
I liked what Mr. Scaff and the other members of the Homeowner's Association put together

3148
04:22:29,250 --> 04:22:30,370
for us.

3149
04:22:30,570 --> 04:22:40,150
It was excellent and I think as Mr. Radford point out, some, not all, some of the requests,

3150
04:22:40,970 --> 04:22:41,710
have been addressed.

3151
04:22:42,390 --> 04:22:46,290
Whether it's lighting, whether it's buffer, whether it's opaque, fencing, whether it's

3152
04:22:46,290 --> 04:22:53,750
of operation, I think the applicant has attempted to address many of those concerns.

3153
04:22:58,210 --> 04:23:02,470
If there is a motion to approve, I'm comfortable supporting it.

3154
04:23:02,670 --> 04:23:04,510
I don't know if there is a motion to approve.

3155
04:23:04,510 --> 04:23:19,370
We've that up to Mr. Bradford, but my final concern is, we the Board of Supervisors have some responsibility in this.

3156
04:23:20,070 --> 04:23:24,170
We decided a couple of years ago to acquire the property from Vietnam.

3157
04:23:24,170 --> 04:23:33,730
We knew what that site was like, and we did it intentionally because we hoped, or assumed, or thought,

3158
04:23:34,130 --> 04:23:40,250
that there would be some kind of new commercial development, whatever it was.

3159
04:23:40,810 --> 04:23:47,750
And if we decide not to go forward, then we never should have made the decision whatever it was.

3160
04:23:48,150 --> 04:23:50,190
Two years ago, when we bought the property.

3161
04:23:50,190 --> 04:23:59,450
If there is a mistake, then it was the mistake that this board made when we initially acquired the property from the Commonwealth of Virginia.

3162
04:24:02,130 --> 04:24:04,910
And last there were improvements made.

3163
04:24:04,910 --> 04:24:05,370
That's true.

3164
04:24:06,150 --> 04:24:10,410
Anyway, that's, I'll shut up.

3165
04:24:10,870 --> 04:24:13,550
I would like to make one comment if I make Mr. Chairman.

3166
04:24:14,270 --> 04:24:20,810
I've listened to the motherboard members, and I guess I have to err on the side of what

3167
04:24:20,810 --> 04:24:21,330
you just said.

3168
04:24:21,630 --> 04:24:27,390
We've seen this all across the county, Mr. North, I'll listen to the comments about West

3169
04:24:27,390 --> 04:24:28,610
Rouge in it for 60.

3170
04:24:29,470 --> 04:24:33,890
But I also see the side of it that the improvements to those intersections would have never taken

3171
04:24:33,890 --> 04:24:39,550
place, and the improvements we're seeing today would not have taken place if those developments

3172
04:24:39,550 --> 04:24:40,350
had not.

3173
04:24:43,520 --> 04:24:44,180
We're not adding.

3174
04:24:44,840 --> 04:24:47,340
I wonder the same question here.

3175
04:24:47,800 --> 04:24:50,880
We've heard about the intersection, all the problems are there.

3176
04:24:52,140 --> 04:24:57,740
Well, once it is developed and you're right, we did this land swap or whatever we did

3177
04:24:57,740 --> 04:25:02,520
through the EDA in hopes that a commercial development would take place there.

3178
04:25:04,290 --> 04:25:10,070
My thought process is to help that intersection because it will force us to make improvements

3179
04:25:10,070 --> 04:25:15,450
there, as we have many other intersections, all across the county.

3180
04:25:17,030 --> 04:25:25,470
So, well, and if we go back and look at history, the 1985 rezoning for Finney, Finney

3181
04:25:25,470 --> 04:25:30,270
construction, to build 27 townhouses.

3182
04:25:31,470 --> 04:25:39,490
That was 1985, and for whatever reason, the market never supported that, and that has

3183
04:25:39,490 --> 04:25:43,210
in 37 years, and I

3184
04:25:47,660 --> 04:25:49,400
have to say this politically correct.

3185
04:25:51,380 --> 04:25:55,400
Mr. Finney did not build high-end residential developments.

3186
04:25:56,180 --> 04:26:03,700
He built low-to-moderant entry-level development, and for whatever reason, Fred Finney was

3187
04:26:03,700 --> 04:26:06,640
never able to build those downhouses, that's why.

3188
04:26:06,640 --> 04:26:07,040
Why?

3189
04:26:11,360 --> 04:26:18,800
This one last time is, the answer is to be, to state that there have never

3190
04:26:18,800 --> 04:26:23,100
been an improvement one and doesn't plan to be any west room at the road.

3191
04:26:23,380 --> 04:26:23,900
There you go.

3192
04:26:24,120 --> 04:26:26,240
There's a feet-off study from the fourth feet-off.

3193
04:26:26,240 --> 04:26:27,140
Four, sixty stuff.

3194
04:26:27,280 --> 04:26:31,060
Where do you think that don't have a thing to do with west room at the road?

3195
04:26:31,720 --> 04:26:35,300
It has to do with, for essentially, the fluidity and the fourth thing to do with just

3196
04:26:35,960 --> 04:26:37,580
just to point that out there.

3197
04:26:37,580 --> 04:26:44,900
And this situation, in my mind, lends itself to the same circumstances, some five or seven years later down the road.

3198
04:26:45,880 --> 04:26:51,160
Well, we'll have that debate though. Every zoning comes and it is coming next year, I know.

3199
04:26:53,800 --> 04:26:58,680
Mr. Bradford, what's the pleasure of the board?

3200
04:26:59,660 --> 04:27:06,120
Well, I thank you all for all your comments. It looks like we're going to have a split vote.

3201
04:27:08,180 --> 04:27:09,920
So, we'll see what happens.

3202
04:27:11,900 --> 04:27:18,080
I find that the proposed resounding request, while not consistent with the transition or

3203
04:27:18,080 --> 04:27:24,640
neighborhood conservation, future land use designation, it is in performance with the C-2 zone

3204
04:27:24,640 --> 04:27:29,740
properties along the OPE, all case spring road and along the corridor of Brahlanton Avenue.

3205
04:27:31,660 --> 04:27:37,920
It's good zoning practice, I don't think it'll result in substantial detriment to the community.

3206
04:27:37,920 --> 04:27:42,940
We've kind of talked about the Farmington community.

3207
04:27:46,860 --> 04:27:50,440
Out there for, move that we approve the rezoning request

3208
04:27:50,440 --> 04:27:53,560
as it has been requested, removing any existing conditions

3209
04:27:53,560 --> 04:27:58,020
on each of the 11 parcels, which make up the subject property

3210
04:27:58,020 --> 04:28:00,800
of the rezoning, the subject of following proper conditions

3211
04:28:00,800 --> 04:28:04,240
1. The site shall be developed in substantial

3212
04:28:04,240 --> 04:28:08,680
conformance with the concept plan prepared by Lumps and Associates

3213
04:28:09,360 --> 04:28:17,380
Associates, dated August 30, 2022, and revised November 30, 2022 subject, any changes required

3214
04:28:17,380 --> 04:28:20,380
during the comprehensive site-playing review process.

3215
04:28:21,100 --> 04:28:27,760
The number two, ours-off operation shall be no earlier than six AM and no later than

3216
04:28:27,760 --> 04:28:29,740
12 AM each day.

3217
04:28:33,340 --> 04:28:34,880
We have motion to approve the ordinance.

3218
04:28:35,000 --> 04:28:36,180
Do we have a second?

3219
04:28:37,380 --> 04:28:37,960
Mr. Peters.

3220
04:28:38,320 --> 04:28:39,200
Motion second.

3221
04:28:39,760 --> 04:28:41,000
Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

3222
04:28:41,000 --> 04:28:49,920
Mr. Peters. Mr. Hooker? No. Mr. North? No. Mr. Bradford? Yes. Mr. Mahoney? Yes.

3223
04:28:50,840 --> 04:28:51,580
Thank you.

3224
04:28:57,430 --> 04:29:01,690
Next item on our agenda. Citizen comments and communications. I have none.

3225
04:29:02,670 --> 04:29:09,650
Next item on the agenda is reports and inquiries, report members. Mr. Bradford is up first.

3226
04:29:18,590 --> 04:29:20,170
Thank you, Mr. Skaff.

3227
04:29:50,500 --> 04:29:53,040
Good evening, again Mr. Chairman and the members of the Board.

3228
04:29:53,940 --> 04:29:56,720
Because two thirds of the grocery store land is zone residential,

3229
04:29:57,760 --> 04:29:59,980
two thirds of this land has a future land used to.

3230
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:12,600
Resignation of transition, and one-third residential conservation, both designation's residential, making the grocery store inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the county's adopted comprehensive plan.

3231
04:30:13,360 --> 04:30:29,920
Three of the surrounding properties are zone residential for residents, both their homes, assuming that the county would honor the zoning and future land use designations, and five of the grocery store will result in substantial deployment to the community, including perpetual noise, nighttime light.

3232
04:30:29,920 --> 04:30:36,660
traffic congestion and endangerment, reducing quality of life, and causing property values

3233
04:30:36,660 --> 04:30:37,380
to decline.

3234
04:30:38,040 --> 04:30:43,840
Therefore, rezoning is tantamount to a taking that is confiscation of real value by the

3235
04:30:43,840 --> 04:30:44,820
Ronald County Government.

3236
04:30:45,240 --> 04:30:50,680
Accordingly, I respectfully propose that the board moved to reduce my half the real estate

3237
04:30:50,680 --> 04:30:57,200
evaluation that is assessment or taxable value of housing and buildings located in

3238
04:30:57,200 --> 04:31:02,800
can place Kingston court and in the vicinity of long-casturing lane and old-casturing road,

3239
04:31:03,160 --> 04:31:08,720
the Jeff Moronic property and localities beyond that that will be detrimental effected

3240
04:31:08,720 --> 04:31:13,500
by the grocery store. Freeze these taxable values for as long as the grocery store is

3241
04:31:13,500 --> 04:31:19,220
an operation and the land on which it is located to zone C2 and three places are charged on

3242
04:31:19,220 --> 04:31:24,620
the grocery store's tax bill to compensate for this loss of revenue to the county equal to the

3243
04:31:24,620 --> 04:31:25,360
I don't even want to.

3244
04:31:26,060 --> 04:31:26,740
Thank you.

3245
04:31:28,320 --> 04:31:28,440
All right.

3246
04:31:29,840 --> 04:31:33,260
Item Anna and our agenda reports and inquiries, the board members.

3247
04:31:33,760 --> 04:31:34,840
The first speaker.

3248
04:31:35,080 --> 04:31:37,960
The first board members up is Mr. Raffer.

3249
04:31:38,820 --> 04:31:39,340
Delph comments.

3250
04:31:40,420 --> 04:31:40,940
Mr. Peters.

3251
04:31:42,880 --> 04:31:43,500
Just a couple.

3252
04:31:43,980 --> 04:31:48,180
First one I would remember to invite everyone to the alumni event.

3253
04:31:49,120 --> 04:31:50,500
I know we went out there a few weeks ago.

3254
04:31:50,680 --> 04:31:51,920
It was a great time.

3255
04:31:57,950 --> 04:31:59,130
I had something else.

3256
04:31:59,130 --> 04:32:05,010
You know, whatever that was, moveable, the last thing I'd like to tell everybody I have

3257
04:32:05,010 --> 04:32:06,050
about, everybody has a great Christmas.

3258
04:32:06,710 --> 04:32:12,550
I want to thank our board for a great year, I want to thank you Chairman Mahoney for a great

3259
04:32:12,550 --> 04:32:13,030
year.

3260
04:32:13,610 --> 04:32:15,210
You did a great job hurting the cats.

3261
04:32:16,190 --> 04:32:21,330
I want to thank the staff for everything they do for us and all the employees of our own

3262
04:32:21,330 --> 04:32:21,610
county.

3263
04:32:21,970 --> 04:32:27,750
What they do keep us moving daily in the citizens for allowing us to stop, thank you.

3264
04:32:28,070 --> 04:32:28,390
Thank you.

3265
04:32:28,390 --> 04:32:33,170
really quickly. I've got a couple of items. I really appreciate it to visit that we were

3266
04:32:33,730 --> 04:32:40,010
able to have delegate Joe McNamara, Mr. Brent Hudson, Dr. Ken Nicely, Chairman of Home

3267
04:32:40,010 --> 04:32:45,230
Honey and I were able to visit Glencove Elementary School recently, and I want to thank them

3268
04:32:45,230 --> 04:32:51,890
for arranging this tour. I've toured it many times before, but it's always good to go and be reminded

3269
04:32:51,890 --> 04:32:54,810
of the needs there, and that certainly happened.

3270
04:32:55,810 --> 04:33:01,130
Number two, I'm pleased with the work this board has done and with the memorandum of understanding

3271
04:33:02,050 --> 04:33:09,390
that was discussed and voted on today in coming up with a solution for the school board's

3272
04:33:09,390 --> 04:33:11,390
priority of a CTE center.

3273
04:33:11,890 --> 04:33:18,370
We were able to stay inside our current tax base with this funding plan, and that's very

3274
04:33:18,370 --> 04:33:23,050
important. I'm especially pleased that we're able to think outside the box and put together

3275
04:33:23,050 --> 04:33:27,650
a package that helps to mitigate the concerns of the elementary schools.

3276
04:33:28,290 --> 04:33:32,330
Number three, our volunteer fire department. I just want to say thank you to them. They've

3277
04:33:32,330 --> 04:33:38,790
been driving around a lot of neighborhoods recently with Santa and the kids of all ages have

3278
04:33:38,790 --> 04:33:45,670
been enjoying that. I also enjoyed our illuminates visit and plan to go back again with a different

3279
04:33:45,670 --> 04:33:54,810
set of grandkids. And it's just a great thing that our county is providing. And then the last thing is you all

3280
04:33:54,810 --> 04:34:05,330
have more champions and bring in Liverpool high school volleyball team. St. champions. I've already talked to them and we're making arrangements for them to come and be congratulated.

3281
04:34:05,330 --> 04:34:07,430
We have not met our maximum.

3282
04:34:07,750 --> 04:34:08,370
We have exceeded.

3283
04:34:08,710 --> 04:34:10,030
We have not.

3284
04:34:10,250 --> 04:34:10,430
We have not.

3285
04:34:10,430 --> 04:34:11,130
Thank you very much.

3286
04:34:11,310 --> 04:34:11,850
Mr. Chairman.

3287
04:34:12,950 --> 04:34:13,710
Mr. Norr.

3288
04:34:14,310 --> 04:34:15,230
See what we've started.

3289
04:34:18,350 --> 04:34:20,370
No, it's a good thing.

3290
04:34:20,770 --> 04:34:22,050
There's this very successful.

3291
04:34:22,490 --> 04:34:24,730
There are good things.

3292
04:34:24,730 --> 04:34:29,450
Tend it to Virginia County's conference with several other board members in November 13th

3293
04:34:29,450 --> 04:34:30,790
through the 15th.

3294
04:34:30,790 --> 04:34:35,050
Also served as a moderator of the Transportation Forum with Virginia

3295
04:34:35,050 --> 04:34:40,050
Secretary of Transportation, Chef Miller, the panel discusses a variety of topics such

3296
04:34:40,050 --> 04:34:45,370
as smart scale, airport, federal and state funding, and rural runs and improvements.

3297
04:34:46,210 --> 04:34:51,510
So, November the 17th, the 10th of the regional partnership and investor update, Tom Talons,

3298
04:34:51,690 --> 04:34:58,730
has been the best years since the 2017, regarding $234 million of an economic impact as business

3299
04:34:58,730 --> 04:35:00,850
attraction has been higher than pre-pandemic.

3300
04:35:01,830 --> 04:35:07,470
Just this year alone, we've had 234 economic contemporaries in the region, and remote workers

3301
04:35:07,470 --> 04:35:14,170
have decreased 9% in large part, excuse me, have increased 9% in large part because workers

3302
04:35:14,170 --> 04:35:19,910
are moving here from Georgia, Virginia, D.C. and the Maryland area, relocating to our region.

3303
04:35:20,550 --> 04:35:25,690
Meanwhile, we've been named in the top 24 mountain towns in the United States, something

3304
04:35:25,690 --> 04:35:31,870
be very proud of. Also, November 21st, I chaired the Ronald Valley Alligating Regional Commission

3305
04:35:31,870 --> 04:35:38,790
Legislative agenda for 2023 general assembly representatives in our area. Among the many items we

3306
04:35:38,790 --> 04:35:45,110
shared in our priorities was an airport expansion. Alligate Austin, who chaired the Transportation

3307
04:35:45,110 --> 04:35:49,350
Committee in the House of delegates and serves as a Vice Chair of the Appropriations Committee,

3308
04:35:49,950 --> 04:35:54,970
has had discussions with the governor and has asked for a 10-year strategic benefit analysis

3309
04:35:54,970 --> 04:36:00,070
for the airport expansion, for Governor Yunkins' review and support.

3310
04:36:00,630 --> 04:36:02,850
The governor stopped after visiting this area.

3311
04:36:03,050 --> 04:36:06,170
When his way back and asked for that request when meeting one-on-one

3312
04:36:06,170 --> 04:36:07,310
hotel against Austin.

3313
04:36:07,990 --> 04:36:12,190
So far as I know the Rona Valley Alligator Regional Commission is working with other

3314
04:36:12,570 --> 04:36:14,870
entities here in the valley to put that together.

3315
04:36:16,370 --> 04:36:21,110
On December 6th, we spoke to the CTV and Richmond at B.I.T.

3316
04:36:21,110 --> 04:36:25,270
on the IN and one widening project between next 137 and 128.

3317
04:36:26,010 --> 04:36:28,470
This is supported by the Secretary of Transportation,

3318
04:36:29,130 --> 04:36:31,710
both this area and the I-64 expansion.

3319
04:36:32,450 --> 04:36:35,970
The project resolution passed 15 to 0 of,

3320
04:36:35,970 --> 04:36:38,950
and one abstention for Spark scale V.0 application

3321
04:36:38,950 --> 04:36:42,590
estimated Spark scale cost is around $300 million.

3322
04:36:43,070 --> 04:36:47,090
This was the first project on the unfunded list of about six projects

3323
04:36:47,090 --> 04:36:52,330
that were unable to be funded in 20, 20, 20, and the original I-81 plan.

3324
04:36:53,230 --> 04:36:58,090
And I will tell you this, this was a total team effort, and the doctor smoothed.

3325
04:36:59,250 --> 04:37:07,010
Telling it off, Stin, the VDOT folks here at Ken King, Brian Blavins, all the regional governments

3326
04:37:07,010 --> 04:37:12,110
that are putting together resolutions of support, so the application can be bolstered

3327
04:37:12,110 --> 04:37:13,670
from everyone in this area.

3328
04:37:13,670 --> 04:37:18,610
This was a great accomplishment, and I hope that it doesn't have any bumps in the road

3329
04:37:18,610 --> 04:37:24,010
part of the pun, as it goes forward to improve safety and fluidity along I-81.

3330
04:37:24,950 --> 04:37:29,790
Interesting enough, the reason this project can't be pursued, is it's going to take the south.

3331
04:37:30,070 --> 04:37:34,690
It's going to take the northbound funding and use that to leverage the southbound widening,

3332
04:37:34,970 --> 04:37:38,450
which is using money wisely to get things done.

3333
04:37:38,810 --> 04:37:41,150
That's all I have Mr. Chair. Thank you.

3334
04:37:41,690 --> 04:37:42,630
Several things,

3335
04:37:45,710 --> 04:37:47,450
I think we,

3336
04:37:48,150 --> 04:37:51,930
Supervisor North did you mention the legislative breakfast we had on November 30th?

3337
04:37:52,110 --> 04:37:52,830
I did not.

3338
04:37:53,610 --> 04:37:58,190
We had a legislative breakfast that was put on by the Salem Rono Chamber of Commerce,

3339
04:37:58,650 --> 04:38:01,610
also the realtors and the home builders, which I thought was great,

3340
04:38:02,230 --> 04:38:03,670
bringing those private groups together,

3341
04:38:04,130 --> 04:38:08,470
but we also had Secretary Slater here who was talking about workforce development.

3342
04:38:09,070 --> 04:38:10,750
But I think all of us believe

3343
04:38:10,750 --> 04:38:17,210
Mesh is in with workforce development through the career and technical education facility in

3344
04:38:17,210 --> 04:38:17,830
Rono County.

3345
04:38:17,870 --> 04:38:21,930
I think that was important, and it was great to be living a turning general way I was here.

3346
04:38:23,610 --> 04:38:33,050
On November 18th, I was invited to attend a meeting that Rabbi Cathy Cohen, the Temple

3347
04:38:33,050 --> 04:38:34,490
of Mania, was put together.

3348
04:38:34,490 --> 04:38:42,410
She's concerned about the increase in anti-Semitism and prejudice and eight crimes going

3349
04:38:42,410 --> 04:38:48,890
on around the country, and she wanted to put together a community group to try to anticipate

3350
04:38:48,890 --> 04:38:54,790
and proactively address those issues, and so I'll be looking forward to attending some of

3351
04:38:54,790 --> 04:39:04,470
those meetings with her members of the city council, where there are other members of the local

3352
04:39:04,470 --> 04:39:12,610
Rabbi Cohen, beginning that initiative, and I'll try to represent the county wells in those endeavours.

3353
04:39:15,390 --> 04:39:21,270
I read it in the Rono Times the other day about how the city of Rono is part of their

3354
04:39:21,270 --> 04:39:22,530
legislative program.

3355
04:39:23,050 --> 04:39:33,330
I thought took a fairly courageous action to try to rescind some of the criminal justice legislation

3356
04:39:33,330 --> 04:39:41,630
that have been adopted in the previous General Assembly, and it came in late today, but

3357
04:39:41,630 --> 04:39:47,850
Chief Hall, before he retires and gets out of town, Chief Hall was asking that we might include

3358
04:39:47,850 --> 04:39:50,030
that as part of our legislative program.

3359
04:39:50,670 --> 04:39:56,550
So, I'd like to find out from the board, is that would we want to support what Ronald

3360
04:39:56,550 --> 04:39:57,810
City was supporting?

3361
04:39:58,510 --> 04:40:01,190
Would we want to tell Feldon to do that?

3362
04:40:01,850 --> 04:40:09,350
I'm planning on having a lunch with Mayor Lee sometime this week to try to talk about different areas where

3363
04:40:09,350 --> 04:40:17,030
Rono County and Rono City can cooperate together and I'd like to tell him that we would like to add that to our legislative program.

3364
04:40:17,650 --> 04:40:18,750
That's true.

3365
04:40:19,590 --> 04:40:25,290
I want to echo what Supervisor Peter said.

3366
04:40:25,770 --> 04:40:27,250
Folks, you got to go to illuminates.

3367
04:40:27,250 --> 04:40:28,270
It is fantastic.

3368
04:40:30,050 --> 04:40:32,790
We're running out of time, it ends fairly quickly.

3369
04:40:34,050 --> 04:40:35,510
My family enjoyed it.

3370
04:40:35,830 --> 04:40:38,530
We are going to go out again with all sorts of grandchildren.

3371
04:40:39,510 --> 04:40:43,090
And so it is just a wonderful event.

3372
04:40:43,530 --> 04:40:46,870
And then it's, it has worked out so great with our partnership

3373
04:40:46,870 --> 04:40:50,330
with Center and the Square with respect to the luminality

3374
04:40:50,330 --> 04:40:52,390
event that explore part.

3375
04:40:52,910 --> 04:40:55,550
Finally, happy holidays, everybody.

3376
04:40:56,350 --> 04:41:02,150
be safe, have hope everybody has a happy and joyous holiday season and with that.

3377
04:41:02,370 --> 04:41:11,070
Mr. Chair, one comment for you. I'd like to see a resolution for these items you mentioned in January,

3378
04:41:11,710 --> 04:41:16,850
but between now and then I don't see anything wrong with your writing a letter, since the Board seems to be in agreement

3379
04:41:17,450 --> 04:41:22,150
of support and get that out to all our local legislators before they go off to Richmond.

3380
04:41:22,150 --> 04:41:24,450
I know they would appreciate getting that a little early.

3381
04:41:24,770 --> 04:41:28,570
We can follow up with the resolution later, of course, but I have no objections.

3382
04:41:28,730 --> 04:41:31,310
I don't think anyone else in the board would have do a Friday or a letter of support.

3383
04:41:31,590 --> 04:41:32,330
This will be good.

3384
04:41:32,450 --> 04:41:33,270
Thank you.

3385
04:41:33,570 --> 04:41:35,930
With that, we're adjourned.

3386
04:41:36,210 --> 04:41:37,150
And I will hand this.

3387
04:41:38,190 --> 04:41:38,830
No, yes.

3388
04:41:40,470 --> 04:41:40,810
No, yes.

3389
04:41:40,810 --> 04:41:40,990
No, no, no, no.

3390
04:41:40,990 --> 04:41:42,930
I don't believe you.

3391
04:41:43,270 --> 04:41:44,710
Let me see.

3392
04:41:45,350 --> 04:41:46,030
Let me see.

3393
04:41:46,030 --> 04:41:47,290
Let's see if how hard it is.

3394
04:41:48,330 --> 04:41:49,270
That's a little bit different.

3395
04:41:49,310 --> 04:41:49,890
That's a little bit different.

3396
04:41:51,910 --> 04:41:59,410
serious form of skin cancer. Dr Paul Burton, chief medical officer of Moderna said the results

3397
04:41:59,410 --> 04:42:06,570
were promising. It's the first randomized trial testing an mRNA therapeutic in cancer patients.

3398
04:42:07,050 --> 04:42:13,250
It's shown a 44% reduction in the risk of dying a cancer or having your cancer progressed.

3399
04:42:13,850 --> 04:42:19,250
That's an important finding and I think it has the potential to be a new paradigm in the