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We're going to be

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in the state of America. Thank you for your comment.

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Okay, at this point, I need an nomination for Vice-Pleas.

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I'll nominate Amy Roe.

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I'll second that.

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All those in favor of any bites.

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Raise your right hand please.

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All those against.

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Now I need an nomination for secretariat.

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Correct, other.

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Executive secretariat.

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Third line.

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Okay.

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Any area both not here.

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Not all ones.

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Okay.

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Thanks, Thompson.

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That's it.

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Okay.

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I'll fair.

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Two times them.

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Just take a second.

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Please raise your right hand.

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All those against.

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same side. Thank you. And then now I need a most of our attorneys in

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Perkins. All those in favor. Same thing right hand please. All those

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gifts. Awesome. And finally, I apologize to you. Administrator.

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Administrator

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please raise your right hand. All those against.

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Awesome. Okay, first

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adoption of meeting

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resolution. We're going to start with air plan times. We typically meet on the

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fourth Monday of each month and seven o'clock. Would anybody like to look at a

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different time different dates? I'm going to go with it. I'm not against six o'clock

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but that's up to you guys.

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You're not here to six.

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I'm okay.

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I'm okay.

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I'm okay.

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I'm okay.

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I'm okay.

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I'm okay.

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Yeah, so the motion's been made to start the meeting

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or have the meeting the fourth Monday of every month starting at

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6 p.m.

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and our normal room unless otherwise notice.

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Second.

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Correct.

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Because we already have this get the meeting for the 23rd.

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That one will be at 7 o'clock.

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in the Yacht Commissioner's room.

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So I need a second for that please.

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Okay.

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All those in favor?

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16.

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Fourth Monday?

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All those opposed?

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Anybody?

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Nope.

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Again, I'm going back for the March meeting.

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Not the February 23rd.

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Next, you need to be able to go over that one.

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Sure.

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You have to pack it.

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The resolution.

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I can't plan to move.

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You just want to be public comment.

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I can read this and it's entirely up to you like it says where it's full kind of

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plan commission has to turn the public comment and it's ready to read even public

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commission's commission's commission.

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A regular business policy, where it's full kind of plan commission has to turn

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the commission and it's ready to read the regulation and public comment.

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Public meetings is a corporate and committed by the law.

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Now there are four big results by the full kind of plan commission that the

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The following rules will govern half of the public comment will be received at the mission

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One purpose.

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The time of the public comment will provide the submission and they learn the public's

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views on various issues.

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The public comment is not designed for investigation and heritage in the fact that two, a

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day and a time of public comment shall be placed on the agenda for each ready to meet the

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public comment that faculty needs may be allowed to date in the sheets of seconds.

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Public hearings will also allow time for public comment pursuant in the law.

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or public hearing less otherwise permitted.

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from the letter and less otherwise provider.

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Five each speaker is to address common access to the members of the Commission of the staff,

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not the pitchers or applicants are other attendees.

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figures may comment on any topic relevant to the Commission's business.

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item common shutter limited to the issue.

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number seven, speaker shall not use obscene defamatory or threatened language, see your

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mask.

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And any time spent, answer your question, you will be able to do it by the

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And kind of suggest that the speaker is a lot of time.

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If I have questions for the attorney to

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be board members, we can't do it.

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We do public.

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Any board members?

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for the third.

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I need a motion if possible. You guys want to top this if not. I think a motion

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to approve. Okay, all those in favor, raise your right hand.

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All those against, raise your

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right hand. Okay, resolution is now carried through.

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Next up, I've got a paper trouble here,

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I apologize. Next up, minutes from our November meeting. They're going to get canceled through.

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We had a plan to review anybody have any comments anything needs to be corrected

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If not, I need motion to accept the minutes for the November 25 meeting

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So, motion, we change our correction of cats and mellow being present in the first one, not, and you know, motion to accept the minutes for, you know, member meeting.

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All those areas right here, all those opposed saying sign, okay

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moving on public comment not pertaining to the agenda items.

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Okay,

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that's it.

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Yes, yes, it's not pertaining to the petitioner.

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And this case would be, in general, that everybody will be allowed three minutes.

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Two minutes.

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Everyone will be allowed two minutes.

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No.

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We're talking to you.

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In general.

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We're talking to this room to be allowed.

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We're talking to somebody else.

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We're talking to somebody else.

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We're talking to somebody else.

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We're talking to somebody else.

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That is not addressed in here.

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That will be up to you.

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Generally, as long as it's the system.

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the poor the public hearing okay any other questions from the public on

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on.

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Okay, all business, do we have the old business?

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Board.

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Okay, new business. Um, everybody knows why, I believe, or you know, the

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why we are here tonight. Um, the commission is meeting on the 20th, there are

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certain people that came and talked about this topic. If you guys look in your

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I went through both the commitures meetings on the 20th and on the 2nd try to put down all your guys is confirmed and then try to convince them to

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What's your name 12 questions, maybe 12 topics to head on

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just to start maybe help speed across us up when it comes

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Again, I

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Spend a lot of time I hope it helps in this decision. That being said

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That has been brought to my attention by several people, including an attorney here, that

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I am all a director for R&C, and that is believed to be a conflict of interest.

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So I tell you right now, I do not get any other money handed to me or in the NDA, nothing

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on that.

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That being said, R&C,

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we do everything we can to try to help our customers and to try

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to do what's best for the community.

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We did never try anything malicious, but that being said right here. I do have

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From an attorney that's to me to refuse myself

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Which I was going to do anyways just so that it is not perceived in a negative way so at this time

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I'm going to reduce myself in a according to full town in our guidelines

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I am now disqualified from any vote and I must leave the public

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So with you guys all good evening before I do I apologize

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One thing I want to tell you guys, this board right here, we are all either appointed or volunteers.

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This is not paid board.

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We are here trying to do our best.

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We represent multiple entities of the county.

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The director, me, in this case, I am a non-boding member.

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The only time the director would vote is if there is a tie or forum.

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Also, Abby Answell, over here, she is our Purdue Extension.

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She is one of the appointed people.

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Abby is not a resident of Fulton County.

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So tonight and every other night, Abby will not be able to bow

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that's not being a resident of Fulton County.

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So, that being said, I am going to...

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This is my second question.

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Please your special report and thank you.

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He took the easy way out.

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He took the easy way out.

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Hey, I'm going to hand you the letter and thank you the other time.

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And thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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That was all.

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Thanks.

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I know that you probably don't like it.

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But I can't say anybody who's going to come and seek.

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And do you stay always in America is very important?

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I would remind you that the idea of the rules, because that is what we will be using at engagement.

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I do want to ask if any of the more members have a hearing issue, so that if an individual speaking

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if we need to ask them to come to the right, do I have any challenges with hearing?

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Okay, do we have a suggestion in which you would like an individual who was speaking to come and say this specific thought?

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Those jackets, so we are one of them seeing where they're at.

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I wouldn't mind seeing them.

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Yeah.

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They're in the back, right?

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What do you have to say?

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It's very soft and neat.

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It's neat.

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So like, for example, somebody in the back is seeking.

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We've got lots of things going on at the end of the day.

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We've got a lot of things going on at the end of the day.

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We've got lots of things going on at the end of the day.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Okay, so at any point you want to read at the rules and engagement one more time.

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And then we have going to take public comment from the board number first.

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Then we will take public comment from the elected officials in the room, and then we will open the public comment to individuals that are not elected officials.

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I've stated that everybody has two minutes and we will be here as long as each of you would like to.

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I have no kind of commentator here that we will not, we will allow each of you to have an opportunity to seek.

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Once I just completed it, if we feel that we need to take a break because we've put a lot of information, we may take a pot of break for a second and then come back to a delivery.

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I think this don't repeat everything anybody else is saying, so we can move it along, you know, you heard it five times.

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Rick, you have microphones up there too if you'd like to turn them on and pass them around to your members so the people in the back can

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hear.

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is from the resolution just past, if you didn't hear me.

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I will try

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and project.

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Purpose, times of public comment are provided, so that the commission may learn the public's views on various issues.

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Public comment is not designed for investigation, interrogation or fact-fighting.

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A designated time for public comment shall be placed on the agenda for each regular meeting.

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A time of public comment, at special meetings, may be allowed as a commission's discretion.

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Public hearings will also allow a time for public comment pursuant to Indian law.

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Members of the public shall limit discussion during meetings to time reserve for general public comment

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or public hearing, unless otherwise permitted.

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A speaker will have up to two minutes.

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To speak on any topic, each speaker will begin by stating the speaker's first and last name

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and county of residents and speak from a letter unless otherwise provided.

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Each speaker is to address comments to the members of the Commission or staff,

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not petitioner's applicants or attendees.

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In times of general comments, speakers may comment on any topic relevant to the Commission's business.

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Public hearings or if comments are allowed for a particular agenda item,

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comment shall be limited to the issue of hand.

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speaker's shall not use obscene defamatory or threatening language.

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Speakers may ask questions, but commission members are not required to provide answers

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to individual questions and any time spent answering questions will be considered time

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yielded by the speaker and counted against the speaker's allotted time.

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As a point of reference, our hope is that if

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somebody chooses not to be respectful,

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we will just remove that person for a moment so that they can cool off and then they are allowed

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come back in, our attention is not to this diminish any public comment, but we just like to

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have a respectful and productive and relevant conversation. So I wanted to say that as a point

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of reference. As well, Kim is taking minutes, correct? So just remember that she is going to be

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ferociously riding and trying to keep top of everything. So be respectful of her as we're trying

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to capture everything adequately. So with that said, do I have any board comment to start

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conversation.

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Do I have any elected officials that are in attendance that would like to speak?

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Casey.

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I don't know how to turn this on, and I don't want this to be against me.

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You're welcome to come and come here if you would like to.

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I think it's a good topic.

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I think it's a good topic.

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I don't know how to tell you about it.

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I don't know how to tell you about it.

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Is it on?

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All right.

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Hold it like this and hold it like the most well.

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Hold it like this.

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A lot of work pointed backwards and is after keeping time for us so that we don't have to pay

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to that.

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And you perkins be attorney, attorney, attorney, attorney, attorney, attorney, attorney.

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So, that we can be fair to everybody.

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Does that work?

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Oh,

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that works.

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They say that I need to say to the live streams in case you'll have two minutes.

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Okay.

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So, in 1989, 1985, the Northwest side of the county, they were devastated by toxic contaminants

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in the landfill.

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It damaged well water contributed to a blight and about a 607 acre development that we continued

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to see blighted today, with excessively low tax valuation and it's often on a tax sale.

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If we fast forward to 26,000 can per tax drawn on old 31 spent 40 years releasing VAC,

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which is volatile organic chloride gas that attached to water.

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It led to death, health issues, in children, we had to extend city water lines outside the city

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limits and years of federal testing in that region.

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It's 2026 and we're looking at the future with data centers.

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What I'm legitimately worried about is the potential of expansion of contamination through

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Fulton County.

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Data centers are teaming with what's called pre and polyfloor accolied substances are

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which that's a volatile substance that burns off at anywhere from 1,835 to 2,000 degrees.

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I do know from asking we do not have anyone on any fire department within our county that can even handle

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what a PFAS firewood attribute to the situation.

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That being said, what is a p-fox?

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It is a man-made carbon-based chemical that basically is wrapped all around cables, pipes, or

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track equipment.

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It's water resistant and heat tolerance, it's heat tolerable.

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So the reason they wrap it into the systems of the data centers is because the immense heat

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that goes through there.

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You often find that those chemicals are also present to prevent bacterial growth and water

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as well as prevent corrosion on piping, because of that, just so you know what I handed out to you,

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actually is all the fat-based references of what's happening here,

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so it'll actually lay everything out with references.

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I'm going to show you the answer.

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Well, please answer.

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How is the answer?

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Casey, the effort I should think of.

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Yes.

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Sure.

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Yes, answer.

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Any other elected officials who would like to seek out this summit?

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Yes.

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Yes, sir.

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Fritz Slot.

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I think Fritz Slot.

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I think Fritz Slot.

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I think Fritz Slot.

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I think Fritz Slot.

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I think Fritz Slot.

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thank you thank you so much

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They are all public seats.

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It's not like that.

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It's not like that, it's not like that.

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And it's like that.

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And it's like that.

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And they marry the decisions of the time, and the best of time.

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But we're looking at it trying to do what's best of time.

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What I see are going to be, I don't know.

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I made you be going.

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But I have had certain people laugh because I wouldn't need to hear what they have to say.

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There's a lot to be learned, there's a lot to be sent, they are safe, there will be a lot of those sent and there's so many ants.

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If you look closely, there's a lot to be heard of, there's a lot to be sent to them.

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I ask you, would you like to have a little more education for looking at the new and give this work to separation?

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I have my recommendations and I think that's a good incentive factor for me.

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As a point of reference, Josh, where are you hiding?

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Josh?

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It was noted that the public comments are not able to be heard

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on the live streaming, how can we reconcile that?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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We just want to make sure that we, that everybody can see here herself.

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I have a lot of officials in the room.

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Uh, yes, sir.

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Take your name and your position.

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I mean, you come back, you're the right to

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go ahead.

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My name is Jared Baldwin.

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I'm the Fulton County resident, I'm also a member of the Fulton County Council.

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And I just have a few statements to the current board.

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First of all, we're either elected or appointed or we volunteered.

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And if we're elected, I've always felt like we're elected to represent the people.

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And there are a lot of people here tonight, and I think most of us are on the same page

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where we are not wanting these data centers.

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And I just implore you to consider the wishes

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of your constituents.

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And we have done our research.

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We know what these things are about.

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And I don't think there's any changing our minds.

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But I would just like to remind you

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that you are elected or you're appointed by an elected official.

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And I think you should listen to what your constituents

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are saying.

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And that's really all I have to say.

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Okay,

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the officials in the room that would like to speak.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Please get a mic.

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Take your name and let this issue hold.

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Yep.

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They have to use a mic to be able to be picked up on the live feed.

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Yes.

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Is that work?

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First concert.

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I'm on the City Council.

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And I own a local bar in town.

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Okay.

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And this is to you guys here at the area plan, okay?

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We appreciate your plan committee for serving

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as stewards for our community and fiscal future

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because that is their job.

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It's to worry about that.

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Your role in developing a comprehensive plan

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provides the long-term vision that helps guide smart,

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sustainable growth.

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And we really appreciate all the extra time you put into it.

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And when we plan thoughtfully,

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a rising tide truly rises all boats, okay?

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data centers are a wave of the future. They just are. And the right planning and the foresight

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they can be integrated in a way that supports economic vitality, respecting the character

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and needs of our community. And I know each one of you will take that into consideration.

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When I saw the hand facility, and I want you to know I had no idea what a data center was and

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it consisted of. The building was specifically built for a data center, no noise, a

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escaped interior of that data center, even in the hallways was quiet. It was efficient

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and extremely clean. Now we didn't get to hear a whole lot of noise outside because it

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was summertime, so they didn't need any air conditioning or anything like that. And yes,

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They do have a lot of...

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Generators, and just like any other big business, like Kroger, like Walmart, they're going to run their generator once a week to make sure it works. So just in case, they need it. It's going to run. So there is some noise that this company is taking all that stuff in consideration. Okay, and it is code, it coexist up there with alongside a bird sanctuary. And they didn't know that when they very first thought it.

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got the okay to buy that land. They actually found that out later on. Okay. So, yes. So, they are clean. Thank you.

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Any other to speak?

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Here's your mic.

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I'll just hold this.

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Ethan Trotter, Rochester Community School Corporation, School Board Member and resident of Fulton County.

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I have several things to point to in concern for this, divided into two categories, contradictions

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within the zoning ordinance with regards to this, and contradictions with regard to

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the presentations that were given to the Planning Commission about data regarding data centers.

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I can hit that second one first because it's pretty plain and simple.

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I have done a lot of research on the topic.

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I've consulted with a lot of other people who have done a lot of research on the topic.

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Several of the statements expressed in the minutes, both from the public hearing and from

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the Exploratory Educational Session by Andrew, was an emholstering, RMC, Horseman, were

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either not correct either intentionally or otherwise, or simply misrepresenting information

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for example, one that I can point to, so you know I'm not low in smoke, is when he said

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that he has not ever heard of a data center needing to connect to sewage and water treatment

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with regards to concerns that might stress our systems, almost every data center in the United

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States is connected to some form of sewage and water treatment.

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The second point or the first point rather that I said I was going to hit the contradictions

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within the zoning ordinance, almost every district that was amended to include data centers

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or tier one battery storage systems as a permitted use, not special exception, has a clause

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in it stating that the Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals purpose with those districts

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is to protect them from conflicting land uses, non-agricultural oriented businesses, any uses

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that may inflict significant environmental impacts or the injurious to neighbors, as well

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as clause within the Plan Commission's rules and procedures, and within these owning

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ordinance itself that says that due consideration will be given during petitions and presentations

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with regards to how property values will be affected by major resonings and projects.

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And in no minutes, presentations or videos that I could find anywhere online was it said that that was considered.

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Thank you.

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Those that would like to make public comments.

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This is your last case.

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Hearing none, we will take comment from the public.

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As a reminder, the comments need to be respectful.

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We are neighbors.

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Some of us are friends.

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I count everyone a phrase.

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So we sort of remember that when someone makes the disagreeable or a different opinion than our own, we need to be respectful of that. That's just a point of reference.

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So who would be the first set with light to begin the public comments?

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Yes.

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I'm

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so all we're doing that is an individual able to yield their time to another individual.

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And the discussion that we just had was that as far as I understand the will of the board is that we would allow that.

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So if one individual would have two minutes,

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they would have to defer that time to someone else,

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that said individual would have four minutes.

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So, is that work?

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Okay, so who would like to be the first to seek?

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Okay, please state your name and anything like,

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where is the mic?

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Where is the mic?

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Or just one second.

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Wait a minute.

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My name is Archie Guston, and I would like to yield my time to the first lady elected official who's both because I feel like what you talked about as of grave concern to all residents and people who work in public county like I do.

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And sir, what was your name again, just to the record?

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Are she, Guston?

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OK.

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OK.

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Thank you, sir.

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OK, Casey, you've got two minutes.

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So basically, what I found out is that PFAS should be a huge concern

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to all of us.

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They're major contaminants happen through leaching, which

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happens at high temperatures, which

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is what these data centers are meant to cool off.

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Can we give you six minutes?

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Yeah.

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Can you give me six minutes?

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Anybody else want to yield a time,

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we don't have to cut it off and keep it there. Okay, I think it's a bit weird.

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I'm sorry.

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So, once again, you say you may, because this is for the individuals that are not in the room, and your position, sure.

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So, I am Casey Lee.

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I am, I live in Fulton County, I'm also your assessor.

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So, basically, what happens is these people are added into all data centers.

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It doesn't matter.

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It's one thing they can't get around, but what they can do is maybe mitigate how the water

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is basically contaminated.

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So in the closing system which I do know that they brought forward to all of us, that

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closing system actually uses what's called an F gas.

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Those F gases technically are toxic as well, but they aren't considered part of the PFAS community.

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Now, I will tell you, there is over 400, and it's all in my notes I gave you, so bear with me.

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There is over 400 new chemicals that are being fast tracked through the EPA.

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There are specific two data, and they're all being advised through what is a toxic board,

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essentially at the federal government level.

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So, as those get fast tracked, they're meant to possibly remove the option of using PFOS,

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in the water when it comes to corrosion and bacteria transfer, because their water does have to be clean.

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Now my concern is with PFAS, basically the health implications for that have to do with some severe

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versions of kidney, testicular cancer, reproductive infertility, low birth rates, and huge compromises

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on the underconsistent. I've cited for you things through Stanford Medical as well as various

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other entities, including the EPA. As we look at all this, it's really important to me.

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And I'm sure to everyone else. Agriculture's huge for me for many reasons. And obviously it's

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important to a lot of people in the room here. I am not anti-growing our tax base at all,

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But what concerns me is that it's important that we really, we really go forward with the

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moratorium, just for the whole purpose that we dive into the issues that aren't being presented

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to us. We're being presented with a perfect fix. That perfect fix has to come with some sort of

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downfall. Everything can't be 100% above board. So the fact whether they decide to take the water out

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and run it through, let's just, for example, Akron, there's a special filtration system that

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has to happen. Those PFAS don't just come out of the water. And the bad thing is, we're not

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going to know until it's 30 years down the road. It took over 40 years for camp cart to poison the

487
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:23,780
water to point that these people got severe cancer and died, where they had to have new wells

488
00:39:23,780 --> 00:39:29,920
with filtration systems put in specific to the issue of chlorine gases that were attached.

489
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,880
There was brand new homes purchased and tore down.

490
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:36,840
I would hate for that to happen in this community.

491
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,000
So all we're asking is for education.

492
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:44,440
And it's education beyond what anybody else tells you.

493
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:46,280
It's education beyond what I'm telling you.

494
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:50,020
I'm just asking you to look at other things.

495
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Look at other reference material.

496
00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:58,220
Everything I gave you was unbiased by universities,

497
00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:01,960
by chemical engineers, just giving facts.

498
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,560
And when you really look at good neighbors

499
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,200
that good neighbor payment, everything that I researched

500
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,900
that showed where there's a corporation,

501
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,540
giving good neighbor payments.

502
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,300
It was because they are basically giving you a gift

503
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:20,620
and hopes that you keep quiet for the noise, the pollution.

504
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,520
It takes away your right and the future to complain.

505
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:27,840
It takes away your right to be able to through them.

506
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:39,260
It has happened through, you punt, it has happened through, mohawk, it has happened through major corporations that have dumped PFAS in the water that has decimated areas all over the U.S.

507
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:42,220
Whether it's Virginia, whether it's Georgia, whether it's Alabama.

508
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:51,340
Now, granted, it's not the same levels as a huge facility, but when you start it, you can't stop it.

509
00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:59,400
So all I'm asking is that you just take a second to educate yourself beyond what one expert is trying to sell you on one facility is giving you

510
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:30,160
Thank you. I think everything she's talking about demands a moratorium. And if not, I think it would be

511
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,600
move the board to illicit why not.

512
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:34,700
Okay.

513
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:35,260
Thank you.

514
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:35,440
Thank you.

515
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,520
I'm going to move my phone.

516
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:46,160
I'm going to move my phone.

517
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,720
Okay.

518
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Okay.

519
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:56,020
Okay.

520
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,240
Okay.

521
00:41:58,260 --> 00:41:59,220
Okay.

522
00:41:59,580 --> 00:41:59,600
Okay.

523
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,260
My name is Lauren White.

524
00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:13,140
And I've been retained by Fulton County residents, I've actually attached a list to the document that I provided to the board earlier today, so you all have all of those names.

525
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:18,920
The letter that I provided to you is a support letter for a more TORM on Data Centers in Fulton County.

526
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,100
On January 20th, 2026, the Fulton County Commissioners requested that this Planning Commission

527
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:31,580
Hold a public hearing to discuss and make a recommendation regarding more TORM on data center development in full and county.

528
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:52,860
Today my clients request a more TORM on all data center development, which would allow full and county sufficient time to study and review all aspects of the siding and regulation of these data center projects, including all environmental issues, increased utility rates, high resource consumption, grid integration, supply chain issues and vulnerabilities,

529
00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:58,060
activities, temperature sensitivities, diminution and property value, thermal runaway incidents

530
00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:04,240
due to best, and the bonding required to keep your county safe in all phases of construction,

531
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:09,980
operation, and decommissioning. These industrial applications raise serious health and safety

532
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:15,080
concerns for Fulton County residents and should be properly studied. Currently, Fulton County

533
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,480
has no ordinance to address data center or the health and safety concerns outlined above.

534
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:34,840
According to the Michigan environmental justice coalition, the rapid growth of data centers with their enormous energy and water demands necessitates targeted policy intervention to mitigate environmental impacts and to protect communities.

535
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:47,000
To conduct a thorough, serious investigation of these will require input from experts across many disciplines, as well as the citizens of the county who will be affected by these data center installations.

536
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,520
This work will take time to accomplish.

537
00:43:54,020 --> 00:43:58,780
In addition, the commission and the county commissioners will need to consider the legal ramifications.

538
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:05,840
For example, a particular concern regarding the level and data centers is the rural landscape of the county,

539
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:13,040
is the visual impact to the county as a whole, and indeed the neighboring counties due to the size and location of the projects.

540
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:20,660
to consider this concern, both the Commission and the Commissioner should know that in

541
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:26,080
1926, and Euclid versus Amlorality, the United States Supreme Court found that zoning

542
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,520
is a valid exercise of police power, which local governments can use to protect the public

543
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,680
welfare. Subsequently, in a landmark in 1954 decision, Burman versus Parker, the United

544
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,160
State Supreme Court upheld the right of communities to use zoning for aesthetic purposes.

545
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,440
Finally, according to Daniel R. Mandacler and his book, Land You Slaw, a clear majority

546
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,740
of courts held that aesthetics alone is a legitimate government purpose in land use regulation.

547
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,980
As this commission is well aware, section...

548
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,560
1-1.4 of the Fulton County Zoning Ordnance States. The purpose of this ordinance is to promote health,

549
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,680
safety, comfort, convenience, morals, and the general welfare of the community. To this send it is

550
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:18,180
important that this commission ensure the development of data centers of the data center ordinance

551
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:23,860
reflects serious study and that all information regarding these findings is provided in public forums

552
00:45:23,860 --> 00:45:29,980
and for public comment. The Fulton County Comprehensive Plan is a community-driven process.

553
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:36,780
Page 14 of the Comprehensive Plan shows how important community input ends when moving forward with development.

554
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:43,360
It states the establishment of the vision began with the culmination of public input.

555
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Leadership identification of their community needs and wishes and the integration of each unique community

556
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:58,360
identity into one compelling brand that manages the perception of who we are and what we expect in the future.

557
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,400
To this end, and in preparation for the eventual writing and approval of the data center ordinance,

558
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,980
my clients are requesting the formation of a data center committee,

559
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:15,260
made up of at least 50% citizen members who can represent residents of the county with personal perspectives

560
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:17,980
and knowledge of the county that they live in.

561
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,720
My clients request that this commission instruct the data center committee to hold open meetings,

562
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:30,900
Where committee members will engage with the community to provide information to the public and to obtain recommendations from the citizens.

563
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:37,140
As a community, Fulton County does not have experience with data center operations.

564
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,960
Data center installations will impact your community for 30 plus years.

565
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:49,460
A time period that demands time now and for the next few years to ensure protection for the next generation of Fulton County residents.

566
00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:58,140
Under the Fulton County Unified Development Ordnance, this commission has the power to give a favorable recommendation to a more Toryem on data center development.

567
00:46:59,020 --> 00:47:14,440
Based on the information provided today, my clients request that this commission provide a favorable recommendation for a data center moratorium for one year and that they recommend the commissioners form a data center committee to study and draft a data center ordinance.

568
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,400
As shown above, this extension is necessary to protect the health, safety, and general welfare

569
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,340
of Fulton County citizens, and to ensure that the resulting ordinance regarding data

570
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:31,420
centers represents wise, land-use plannings that plans these industrial facilities and appropriate

571
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:34,860
locations that will not adversely impact the county.

572
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,980
And with that, I would like to ask any Fulton County residents that are in support of a

573
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:42,740
to stand up, please.

574
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,280
Well,

575
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,600
thank you so much for your public comment.

576
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:06,360
I just want to remind everybody that way individuals are speaking,

577
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,540
that we would not speak as well, so that we can all hear.

578
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,360
Our hearing isn't always as good as we, it needs to be.

579
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:15,700
So, who would like to go next?

580
00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:18,620
I will go with, we had somebody already over this way.

581
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,340
I'll go with just somebody to write it.

582
00:48:20,660 --> 00:48:21,800
Get a mic for front.

583
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:22,560
Wait a minute.

584
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:24,260
Where the phone is.

585
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,620
I'll help you with this.

586
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,060
I'm going to also on stage your name and your affiliation.

587
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:31,100
Thank you.

588
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:34,440
My affiliation as in.

589
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,960
I'm just a concerned citizen who lives here in Fulton County.

590
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:40,120
Just like the rest of you guys.

591
00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:41,160
My name is I.

592
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:41,620
Duncan.

593
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:48,620
Today, I want to shed light on the often overlooked consequences that data centers bring to rural communities.

594
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:57,700
While these tech giants promise progress and connectivity, their presence comes with a hefty environmental and economic price tag that cannot be ignored.

595
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,840
First, let's talk about air quality. Data centers require massive pooling systems to keep their servers from overheating.

596
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,680
and many rely on fossil fuel power generators or air conditioning units that emit pollutants.

597
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:22,340
This leads to increased greenhouse gas emissions and local air pollution, which can form the health of residents and contribute to climate change as we've heard from anybody who stopped about this so far.

598
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:28,360
Next is water usage, cooling these massive facilities demands a huge amounts of waters.

599
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Often source from local supplies, where are they going to get this water?

600
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:39,480
We only have a couple of fresh water sources nearby us, where is it going to come from?

601
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:46,980
I see something about decennial groups saying they were going to truck in water from

602
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:47,680
where?

603
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,640
Electricity consumption is another critical issue.

604
00:49:53,640 --> 00:50:15,320
Data centers are energy hogs running 24, 7, they could not shut off, they run all the time, they have to, they are computing overwhelming amounts of data, they have to be on, leading to higher energy costs for the community and increased reliance on non-religious renewable energy sources.

605
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Ugh, size them in don't, been done by Barclay Investment Group, citing that nuclear energy

606
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,360
would be the most promising energy source for these data centers.

607
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,780
I don't know about you guys.

608
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:31,400
I don't want to nuclear energy reactor anywhere near me.

609
00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:33,420
Now, money.

610
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:35,940
Data centers do not bring jobs.

611
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:40,940
You have to have extreme technological degrees to work at these places.

612
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:52,440
They will not bring money to us. It will not bring any economic boost to anywhere near like I'm not good. No money. My pocket. So no money in yours.

613
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,860
Sharon members of the Area Plan Commission. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

614
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:19,040
My name is Nicole Martin and I am a Fulton County resident where I live and work along the typical new river.

615
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,480
I operate a river recreation and camping business that depends directly on clean water, stable

616
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,520
river conditions, and responsible land stewardship.

617
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,780
I want to begin by stating clearly that I am not opposed to technology, innovation, or artificial

618
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:35,620
intelligence.

619
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,700
I recognize the value these industries can bring.

620
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:41,800
My concern is not about whether data centers exist.

621
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:47,360
It is about where they are cited, how they are permitted, and what safeguards are in place,

622
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,360
especially when agricultural zoning is involved.

623
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:58,900
Agricultural zoning exists to protect farmland, rural residences, drainage systems, and groundwater resources.

624
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,220
These lands are also part of a connected watershed that feeds the typical river.

625
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:13,040
Decisions made in agricultural areas do not stay isolated. They affect water systems, recreation, and the local economy.

626
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,020
I'd like to offer a brief perspective from my direct experience.

627
00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:25,280
In 2024, I came before this same body to obtain a special exception use permit for my family's

628
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,980
river-based recreation business.

629
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,680
We followed the process and it will operate under local oversight.

630
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,420
Our site ranked them on the top camping destinations in Indiana and was recognized in an outdoor

631
00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:38,080
publication.

632
00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,340
Our business depends on the health of the river.

633
00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:46,600
Each year, drought conditions and fire bans have affected portions of our season.

634
00:52:47,060 --> 00:52:52,180
In 2025, the blue-green algae bloom developed in the typical river.

635
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:59,960
Both the Indiana Department of Natural Resources and IDEM issued warnings related to river conditions

636
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:05,020
and our river activity operations were effectively shut down for the remainder of the season.

637
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:12,080
That experience demonstrated how sensitive this river system already is to low water levels

638
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,340
and environmental stress and how quickly local-

639
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:22,560
Can you make your-

640
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Can you make your-

641
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,840
Thank you.

642
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:34,750
That experience demonstrated how sensitive this river system already is to low water levels and environmental stress

643
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:39,950
and how quickly local businesses, recreation, and tourism are affected.

644
00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:44,670
Because of this, I am deeply concerned about allowing large-scale infrastructure

645
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:48,510
as a permitted use in agricultural zoning districts.

646
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:52,910
Permitted use status reduces meaningful public oversight.

647
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:56,650
Once granted, projects can move forward quickly,

648
00:53:57,050 --> 00:54:01,850
and it becomes much harder for residents and local officials to require safeguards.

649
00:54:01,850 --> 00:54:05,150
even though the long-term impacts are born locally.

650
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:08,190
This is not an anti-development position.

651
00:54:08,550 --> 00:54:14,190
It is a pro stewardship position and a pro-responsible planning position.

652
00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:24,230
It's important county is to consider infrastructure of this scale.

653
00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:30,590
It must be done with transparency and enforceable protections, including disclosure of average

654
00:54:30,590 --> 00:54:36,470
deep water consumption and water source, groundwater monitoring, and public reporting, storm

655
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:42,950
water and impervious surface controls, setbacks, noise, lighting, standing standards, appropriate

656
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:47,670
for rural areas, and emergency planning for fuel and chemical storage.

657
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:53,670
I respectfully ask that this commission take one of two actions today, either reverse the

658
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:59,350
ordinance change that made data centers a permitted use in agricultural zoning or adopt

659
00:54:59,350 --> 00:55:05,390
12 month moratorium, so the county can develop standards, study water and infrastructure impacts,

660
00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:11,190
and allow full public transportation before any project becomes inevitable.

661
00:55:12,030 --> 00:55:18,270
Folten counties should not make irreversible industrial zoning decisions affecting farmland

662
00:55:18,270 --> 00:55:23,790
and the typical river watershed without first-putting protections in place for the people

663
00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:25,890
and resources that are already here.

664
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:33,230
When state agencies issue river warnings and local businesses shut down, it tells us the system is already sensitive.

665
00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:38,570
We should not make zoning decisions of this scale without safeguards in place first.

666
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:40,470
Thank you for your time and consideration.

667
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:06,570
Well, I just want to know York and my I'm tired.

668
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:08,290
Boy, tough crowd.

669
00:56:09,790 --> 00:56:10,750
Okay, my name is John Bailey.

670
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:12,330
I live right across the street.

671
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:13,750
I walked here today.

672
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:18,450
And to make it short.

673
00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:25,670
In 1993, in 1993, I was an intern at the house.

674
00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:29,690
GOP, you know, down in, let me do with that.

675
00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:31,510
I have my badge here.

676
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:36,590
Caucus in Indianapolis, and here's my little badge.

677
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:39,950
If we were in the minority, we were in the minority at that time.

678
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:50,330
And the data center issue of that time was high tension wires.

679
00:56:50,330 --> 00:56:57,090
And we had crowds like this at our committee meetings all the time that came from South

680
00:56:57,090 --> 00:57:05,030
Bend, that came from Evansville, and this was before Facebook put out all this information.

681
00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:06,250
They were coming down.

682
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:14,770
And they said that high tension wires were going to cause tumors in your kids heads and

683
00:57:14,770 --> 00:57:16,010
make your cattle sterile.

684
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:20,810
Is anybody talking about high tension wires today?

685
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:22,250
No.

686
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:23,950
Yeah.

687
00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:31,410
That's one, right?

688
00:57:31,630 --> 00:57:32,190
One guy?

689
00:57:32,350 --> 00:57:33,110
Not necessarily.

690
00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:43,590
So, and if you want to go back even further, I don't know how much time I have.

691
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:49,390
Remember, in the 1970s, we were entering an Ice Age.

692
00:57:49,390 --> 00:58:00,050
I have, right here, in my go folder, Tom magazine, 1973, 1979, we're entering a nuclear

693
00:58:00,050 --> 00:58:08,250
ice age. It didn't happen. In the 1990s, it was global warming. Oh, it was global warming,

694
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:13,030
it didn't happen. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry Mr. Baldwin, because he does my taxes.

695
00:58:14,310 --> 00:58:17,210
All right, thank you,

696
00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:26,870
I'm

697
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:57,570
a resident of Forten County. And I'm going to address number four on the thing that Andy, no, was it Seth gave you at the beginning. I felt that I could my expertise and

698
00:58:57,570 --> 00:59:08,310
experience in this part of it, I have been testing hearing and had background and college experience in hearing and hearing loss.

699
00:59:09,130 --> 00:59:16,450
So what I did is I developed my time and my effort into looking for data because I'm a data person.

700
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:19,470
Out of feelings that feelings don't make decisions.

701
00:59:19,470 --> 00:59:32,650
So I had looked and looked and I found a data center noise study that was published December 31st, 2022, which is not 10 years old, it's not even four years old, it's three years old.

702
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:42,910
All the data centers that were in Northern Virginia at this time, and they went around and looked at all the levels that were completed, completed in all the data centers.

703
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:47,990
They looked at how close they were to schools, they looked at the sounds that are admitting.

704
00:59:49,330 --> 00:59:52,570
Not to give you a lesson and physics.

705
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:58,610
But when you look at sound, sound can be either a plain model or a spherical model.

706
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:59,850
data centers.

707
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:21,520
Now, the spherical model. You have to have account for attenuation, reflection, retraction. Those things take you have to take into consideration with noise. What they found out from doing every data center in that county was that they have far exceeded the expectation and the ordinance that were put in place.

708
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:43,160
So, what I would want to read to you real quick is just a brief summary, what came out of this is as Prince William County government is not fulfilling its obligations to residents by developing reliable noise protections for the data centers resounding proposals before approving any such thing.

709
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:49,480
Also, stated that in Virginia, though, there is very noise or ordinance specifications.

710
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:56,880
County governments, their staffs, their lackings, their significant excuse, may I have been talking all day in school.

711
01:00:57,420 --> 01:01:04,720
Seficient expertise for crafting thorough, going noise, noise ordinances without loopholes,

712
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:12,480
with which industrial and commercial activities can exploit and circumvent the intent of those ordinances.

713
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,340
Now, again, I'm all day to base.

714
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,340
I looked at numbers.

715
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,240
I wanted to find a research study that was current.

716
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,460
I think December 31st, 2022 is pretty current.

717
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:27,640
I have a 54 page report to everybody who would love to see it.

718
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:35,580
And what I saw was that those data centers were putting on noise like 75 decibels, 80 is damaging

719
01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:36,520
the hearing.

720
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,720
You know, when I do a lot of teenage kids too, and I'm like, get those AirPods out of

721
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:48,720
years. When you're hearing's gone, it's not going to come back. It's just something that I can't fix.

722
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:55,240
So some of the things that are health effects that are attributed to increased noise levels,

723
01:01:55,260 --> 01:02:01,240
that was also included in this report, chronic sleep deprivation, anxiety, depression,

724
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,900
do the combination of noise and lack of control when residents realize this noise even

725
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:08,780
permeates their homes.

726
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,400
Difficult with concentration increased stress-related conditions,

727
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,900
gastrointestinal autoimmune, hypertension, increased health risk

728
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:20,660
as residents avoid outdoor exercise.

729
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:24,560
With chronic sleep deprivation, affects your brain and body,

730
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,740
anxiety depression, mood swings, suicidal thoughts,

731
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,180
memory concentration, you know, where they were

732
01:02:31,180 --> 01:02:32,980
closing the site is near schools.

733
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:36,500
And one of the things that said is for children, it decreases growth

734
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:43,340
hormones. You have vehicular and workplace accidents and packs the insulin release and increases

735
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:48,620
risk of diabetes. If you guys don't know, diabetes is on the rise and especially in children.

736
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:56,040
Laws, less interest in exercise, hypertension, cardiovascular health stroke, June 2022,

737
01:02:56,420 --> 01:03:04,460
American Heart Association. So, persistent 24-7 noise, as well as sleep deprivation due to noise

738
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:06,520
can impact your mental and physical health

739
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,680
and dramatically lower your quality of life.

740
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:11,780
So when I looked at the study and looked at all the readings

741
01:03:11,780 --> 01:03:14,640
that were they were doing, it just forwarded me.

742
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,300
I was like, this is 20 decibels over an ordinance

743
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:19,480
that they put in place.

744
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,820
This is Dr. Mental, you're hearing it's gone.

745
01:03:21,820 --> 01:03:23,320
It's not going to come back.

746
01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:26,060
There's other things associated with it.

747
01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:29,640
These are the older systems with the air cold systems

748
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,060
that they're doing now.

749
01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:33,600
When I'm looking at data on it that's coming out,

750
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,080
there's not a huge 54 page study on this.

751
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,900
It's running the same decibels, 75 to 85 decibels.

752
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,920
80 is going to damage your hearing permanently.

753
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,820
So I'll come to you with just data.

754
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:49,560
I think knowledge is power when making decisions.

755
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,720
That's what I like to look for.

756
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:54,320
So that's what I have for you.

757
01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:05,720
We're going to be looking for it.

758
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,980
Right here, this is the one we've got.

759
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:08,600
We've got all of you.

760
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:08,980
Hello.

761
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:12,480
Hi, my name's Kale Raer.

762
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,300
I'm a homeowner here in Fulton County.

763
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,220
I've worked in the field of surveying and civil engineering for over 13 years.

764
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:22,300
I've worked on lithium plants, solar fields, wind farms, and multiple steel mills.

765
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,920
I've seen jobs created and destroyed.

766
01:04:24,460 --> 01:04:27,600
I've seen firsthand what different forms of infrastructure can do to the community.

767
01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:34,000
It's my opinion that we need to do what's best for the community and not do what's best for our data center.

768
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,480
There are growing hazards that are constantly being realized from environmental to flat out hazardous to humans.

769
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:45,160
different forms of air pollution with backup generators, potential, potentially powered by

770
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,760
heavy use of diesel. We don't have local companies that use that kind of power.

771
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,880
There are even potentials for low levels of radiation and with this new technology who

772
01:04:53,880 --> 01:05:00,580
is say that we don't find out that it is larger than speculated or the effects don't come

773
01:05:00,580 --> 01:05:05,720
around in 30 years like mentioned. We all know that the growing water concern and honestly

774
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,740
Fulton County, even though we're working on it,

775
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,900
and has a lot of, has had a lot of water issues.

776
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:15,520
We aren't creating jobs, but yet damaging our environment.

777
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:17,920
So the answer seems pretty clear to me.

778
01:05:25,850 --> 01:05:27,210
We don't lady, all my back,

779
01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:28,770
we make sure she gets a microphone.

780
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:29,930
I'm just very much here.

781
01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:31,090
I'm not talking about that.

782
01:05:31,110 --> 01:05:33,650
I would like to give Henry Smith my two minutes.

783
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:35,630
Tophany Adams also.

784
01:05:35,810 --> 01:05:37,150
OK, so that's six minutes.

785
01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:39,190
And I'm not giving up.

786
01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:40,550
Great enough here so we can figure it out.

787
01:05:40,550 --> 01:05:41,750
Yeah, I know that's your face.

788
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:43,830
Thank you.

789
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:47,130
And again, say you name your affiliation in your six months.

790
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:48,550
My name is Henry Smith.

791
01:05:49,070 --> 01:05:52,370
I've had an excavating business in Fulton County,

792
01:05:53,810 --> 01:05:57,270
and I've been a resident in Fulton County for over 50 years.

793
01:05:58,590 --> 01:06:01,870
I've actually got something that a lot of you don't have.

794
01:06:02,050 --> 01:06:04,470
I've got experience in it, I've had a sense of construction.

795
01:06:05,650 --> 01:06:09,830
All right, last year I put a 24 inch water main in the Google.

796
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:15,690
and they need a lot of water. I just stood in the front yards a lot of the

797
01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:22,270
residents out there along the road around the front and they are not happy

798
01:06:22,270 --> 01:06:26,990
because of everything, how Google just pushes and hustles everything through and

799
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:30,770
that's another thing that I see with this data center is they're just trying to

800
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:35,550
rush everything through and get green light and then they do what they want to

801
01:06:36,270 --> 01:06:42,310
they don't really care. They build 50 foot berms all around properties if you have a house and

802
01:06:42,790 --> 01:06:48,850
they can't buy a seat. They'll just build a 50 foot berm all over around your house. You'll see one

803
01:06:48,850 --> 01:06:52,230
the road and that's it. You won't see anything else.

804
01:06:54,370 --> 01:06:56,510
I think they have their place. I don't think

805
01:06:56,510 --> 01:07:02,670
that some of the areas they're looking for in this county is the ideal spot. And I think we should

806
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:05,570
take our time and look into it. Thank you.

807
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:14,700
I'd like to be next.

808
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:17,920
Yes, microphone.

809
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:51,970
Can everybody hear me?

810
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:52,510
Hi, yes.

811
01:07:52,850 --> 01:07:54,230
So my name is Lindsay Shambal.

812
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:55,750
I'm a homeowner in Akron.

813
01:07:56,270 --> 01:07:59,310
I'm actually reading for James Zimmerman who also is

814
01:08:00,010 --> 01:08:02,650
Akron resident and is unable to be here today.

815
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:05,570
So if anybody has any questions or follow up,

816
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:07,110
I can give you his contact information.

817
01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:08,790
Again, I'm just reading.

818
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:17,730
So James says first off, I would like to say I'm very disappointed I'm not able to attend such an important meeting regarding our community's future.

819
01:08:18,330 --> 01:08:22,790
I want to thank the community for their support and efforts as we try to do the right thing.

820
01:08:23,330 --> 01:08:32,750
I am aware that during the August 2025 area plan meeting there were only two speakers that presented and covered the topic of data centers and they only spoke on the positives.

821
01:08:32,750 --> 01:08:39,630
I have told many people in the community and some members of area-plion commissioners in council that

822
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:47,570
There was only one side that presented at the August meeting. I understand things might have looked great about a data center

823
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:54,190
But the best thing that could have been done for the community was to table the discussion and each member do their own research

824
01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:57,050
Engage the public opinion before any votes

825
01:08:57,050 --> 01:09:01,230
Where to take place regarding Zoting concerning data centers

826
01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:08,250
Unfortunately, that did not happen and emotion was made and voted on for area plan to suggest

827
01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:13,630
to the commissioners to rezone Aglion and how we commercial to allow data centers and

828
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:19,510
battery storage. I fully believe at this point you have all done for the research for yourselves

829
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:25,570
and come up with your own opinions. I also believe you have to be aware of the community's extreme

830
01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:30,970
concern on the topic. From all my research, I have done. I can tell you there is far more

831
01:09:30,970 --> 01:09:33,590
that will come with a data center than good.

832
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:36,770
The negatives outweigh the positives by a farm margin.

833
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:40,130
I tried to only find independent studies that way

834
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:42,790
I can say the research was not swayed by either side

835
01:09:42,790 --> 01:09:44,350
of lease on data centers.

836
01:09:45,190 --> 01:09:49,550
Without reading to you, the verbatim of each study I can tell you why I found it

837
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:52,310
and if you'd like, I can provide all research and links

838
01:09:52,310 --> 01:09:53,390
that back at my claims.

839
01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:58,830
30 to 100 permanent jobs after construction is best case scenario.

840
01:09:58,830 --> 01:10:05,130
construction jobs are temporary. Once the project is complete, the majority of jobs are

841
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:08,790
remote and will be specialized so the majority of local residents will not see

842
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:09,910
benefits from employment.

843
01:10:12,030 --> 01:10:15,410
Revenue can be offset by grid school and infrastructure

844
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:22,550
cost. I keep hearing 100 million in tax revenue. Actually, best case scenario that

845
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:30,610
is best case scenario is we will receive in 15 to 20, 20 years.

846
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:32,890
Don't be fooled and expect that yearly.

847
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:40,220
Next is a grid slash generation cost

848
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:41,760
are socialized through rates.

849
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:43,960
It's as simple as supply and demand.

850
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,620
The electricity is consumed in such large amounts.

851
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:49,860
All customers will bear the burden of paying for it.

852
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,240
Noise plus transmission plus industrialization

853
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,500
affect marketability beyond setbacks.

854
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,060
Long-term effects will lower property values,

855
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,520
but will raise property taxes due to land speculation.

856
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:06,500
Finally, tens of thousands, all the way to millions

857
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:10,240
of gallons of water used daily, even more harmful during peak

858
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:11,240
drought stress.

859
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:14,300
Even the closed loop argument has evaporation

860
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:17,160
where up to 80% can evaporate into the atmosphere.

861
01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:20,940
And non-closed loop systems, the water is contaminated

862
01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:26,800
in high amounts of chemical such as glycol, which could harm local groundwater in the atmosphere

863
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,440
causing medical concerns.

864
01:11:29,820 --> 01:11:35,180
The bottom line is, even without tax abatements, hyperscale data centers can impose major

865
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:41,260
hidden costs, such as higher electric bills, minimal permanent jobs, raising property taxes,

866
01:11:41,420 --> 01:11:48,040
but deflating property values, decrease quality of life, long-term infrastructure liabilities,

867
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:56,960
While life affected through habitat, destruction, water consumption, and noise and light pollution and unknown health concerns due to several factors.

868
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,900
This isn't anti-tech, it's pro-transparency and pro-community.

869
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,120
I am asking you to protect your citizens' health, safety, and property values.

870
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:14,000
Please do the right thing and make a motion for a favorable recommendation for a moratorium.

871
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:21,500
Allow us to have a year to further research and educate ourselves on this topic before we make permanent decisions.

872
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:31,410
I'd like to be next.

873
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:33,170
I don't know.

874
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:45,180
Okay, don't know.

875
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:46,660
I'll be.

876
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:47,280
Okay.

877
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,880
I'm layer molar and full count of resident.

878
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:54,300
And I'm not 5% of the speakers ability that has gone before me.

879
01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:55,860
So I just want.

880
01:12:56,980 --> 01:12:59,060
I want to thank you all for your time.

881
01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:01,840
And I want to thank you all for your time.

882
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:09,200
I'm not good with my, this is just, I'm just going to read a couple really short paragraphs

883
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,240
that are from our own zoning.

884
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:17,460
So these are the guidelines, the guidelines I talked with my hands, these are the guidelines

885
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,800
that you all are supposed to and hopefully do consider.

886
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:29,640
So this is our community building principles for citizens, continue to empower citizens to be in

887
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,760
control of the county's future.

888
01:13:32,220 --> 01:13:35,480
Encourage neighborhood citizen and business participation

889
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,880
in decision affecting neighborhood well-being.

890
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:41,440
Make a future that is ecologically,

891
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,300
economically and socially sustainable.

892
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,720
And then under their bullet point

893
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,060
for the natural environment, your bullet point

894
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:51,040
is says, protect and improve

895
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,180
molten county's natural environment

896
01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:56,440
for a better quality of life for all people.

897
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:58,880
Almost done.

898
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:07,720
So then specifically for the Ag District, this is 4.1, 4-1.1, the Ag District Intent,

899
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:12,940
permitted uses and special exceptions, and I understand you move data center to this,

900
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:17,200
but these are the guidelines of what you're supposed to be seeking for the Ag Center.

901
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:26,000
The District Intent, the Ag District is intended to provide a land use category for agricultural activities.

902
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:32,400
provisions that regulate this land use district should protect, promote, and maintain areas

903
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,040
in full-toned county for farming operations.

904
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:41,860
Last paragraph, the Plan Commission and boards of zoning appeals should strive to protect

905
01:14:41,860 --> 01:14:49,040
this district from conflicting land uses, non-agriculture or into business, and any use that

906
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:53,620
may inflict significant environmental impacts or be injurious to neighbors.

907
01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:55,020
I don't know, there we go.

908
01:15:05,620 --> 01:15:09,620
I've got a couple of people's time to take six minutes.

909
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:15,020
My name is Josh Shriver. I'm a member of

910
01:15:15,020 --> 01:15:25,660
Akron. I see a lot of friends, a lot of people that know me throughout my life, and a lot of them are family. And the

911
01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:32,180
one thing that I hear constantly from the pro-data center groups and the sales pitches is that

912
01:15:32,180 --> 01:15:40,680
crazy. I ask any of you standing before me on the board. Did you seriously do your research?

913
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:47,680
Did you spend your time fact-checking or did you listen to your legislation out of the state?

914
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:52,620
And did you listen to a sales pitch in the group that wants to perversely take advantage

915
01:15:52,620 --> 01:16:01,100
of our community? Because that is exactly what this is. So I'm going to ask you as members

916
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:02,220
of the board.

917
01:16:03,140 --> 01:16:10,300
I want to be very clear about what this decision you have is actually, actually as independent

918
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:15,280
of how this project is presented tonight by the decennial group or others.

919
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,960
Zoning decisions are not about optimism.

920
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,680
They are about what lasts and cannot be undone.

921
01:16:22,780 --> 01:16:30,500
The proposal places a 500-megawatt-hyper-sale data center on agricultural land with close proximity

922
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:33,000
to be established to an established community.

923
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:37,060
Once approved, that land does not return to agriculture,

924
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:39,860
and the county does not regain leverage.

925
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,400
This is industrial infrastructure that will be here for decades.

926
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,500
What I'm describing is not speculation, it's a pattern.

927
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,280
In other communities that approve facilities of this scale,

928
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:55,340
the same issues emerge years later.

929
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,240
It's been talked about within this group this evening.

930
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,100
Even when operators are main compliant.

931
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,520
Costs of low frequency noise that becomes part of daily life.

932
01:17:05,860 --> 01:17:09,980
Routine diesel generator testing and exhaust exposure over decades.

933
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,500
Groundwater questions a surface after approvals are final

934
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:15,340
and the responsibility saluted.

935
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,280
And nearby homes that become harder to sell.

936
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,460
Harder to finance and harder to value.

937
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,260
Not because rules are broken, but because of proximity.

938
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,000
When these impacts appear, the response is always the same.

939
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:38,480
The operator points to permits, regulators, point to compliance, and the community has

940
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:39,440
sold there is no remedy.

941
01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:42,440
That is not failure of enforcement.

942
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:44,960
That is the outcome of approval.

943
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:50,030
This project is being justified largely on revenue.

944
01:17:51,150 --> 01:17:53,370
Yet we have not seen any of hard numbers of revenue.

945
01:17:53,370 --> 01:17:57,490
We've heard promises, and boy, you promised this look good.

946
01:17:57,890 --> 01:18:03,150
I got kids that will sit there and say promises to me all day long, but I don't believe them.

947
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:07,490
But revenue projections are still projections, and they depend on tax structures

948
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:09,070
that the county does not fully control.

949
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:14,390
While the county may be not running in a bait mix, the state of Indiana provides tax treatment

950
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:18,630
for large data center investments that affects how the value is realized over time.

951
01:18:19,550 --> 01:18:22,370
At the same time, the county's obligations are immediate and ongoing.

952
01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:29,770
roads, utilities, emergency services, staffing, and regulatory oversight do not.

953
01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:36,410
Depreciate or rotate out, they remain the carrier's flexibility for as long as this facility operates.

954
01:18:37,390 --> 01:18:44,750
Revenue projections expire, operators change, equipment turns over, land use decisions do not.

955
01:18:45,810 --> 01:18:52,150
Once the decision is made, the community inherits the result, not the developer, and not the tenant.

956
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:58,330
And that brings me the only question that matters, and it not only matters to me because I'm

957
01:18:58,330 --> 01:19:02,130
ground zero, but it matters to everyone else here because they're ground zero as well.

958
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:08,970
Would you place something in this large, this intense, and this irreversible, if you've

959
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:14,150
heard yards from your own home or your own loved ones of your own community, based mainly

960
01:19:14,150 --> 01:19:15,670
on projections and promises,

961
01:19:17,770 --> 01:19:22,130
because that's true, the community carries the risk, not

962
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:24,590
the developer, not the tenant.

963
01:19:25,670 --> 01:19:27,410
And that decision cannot be undone.

964
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:48,680
Please refrain from doing anything

965
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,140
accusatory towards the board.

966
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,260
So we would like to take a conversation with data,

967
01:19:53,740 --> 01:19:54,860
or your personal opinion,

968
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:58,480
freely, so turn out, please refrain from any accusatory comment.

969
01:19:58,640 --> 01:19:59,040
Thank you.

970
01:19:59,180 --> 01:19:59,840
I appreciate that.

971
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:01,960
I'm just out the right.

972
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,340
We're just in case we go back to action.

973
01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:04,260
I just want to say that.

974
01:20:05,220 --> 01:20:06,320
Who is next?

975
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,640
And I just as a quote of reference, we have a young man who can take the rap out of the

976
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:14,940
stage.

977
01:20:16,460 --> 01:20:16,580
All right.

978
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,780
We hope you all are coming to take the five minutes.

979
01:20:18,940 --> 01:20:19,620
We're going to open back.

980
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:20,940
Thank you.

981
01:20:23,300 --> 01:20:24,100
I am.

982
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:25,500
I'm going to do the Baker.

983
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,960
I live in Casio, Scot County, where this is not a permitted use on farm land.

984
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,640
But I'm here on behalf of Bill and Nancy Crow and Plumber Family Farms.

985
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:34,620
I'm a part owner.

986
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,700
Our lens to the Baker.

987
01:20:36,940 --> 01:20:37,340
Yes.

988
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:43,520
Our farms have a total investment of $3 million in irrigation systems and wells in

989
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,660
Fulton County and Richland Wayne and Union Townships.

990
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,100
We have five wells and 12 center pivots and we've always been good neighbors and we've

991
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:56,900
never had any complaints from our neighbors about any well issues that they have experienced.

992
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:02,040
It currently costs about $50,000 to install a 12 inch well for irrigation.

993
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:06,940
The current ordinance making data centers a permitted use on farm ground leaves Fulton

994
01:21:06,940 --> 01:21:12,020
County farmers who have pay taxes to this county for generations without any protections

995
01:21:12,020 --> 01:21:17,560
or recourse should our wells go dry due to data centers in the area.

996
01:21:18,140 --> 01:21:21,320
All floating county residents on wells have the same problem.

997
01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:26,140
Data centers currently being built in Indiana are causing streams to dry up and wells

998
01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:26,780
to go dry.

999
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:31,340
Commissioner Day of Summer says that the project will be a closed loop system, but closed

1000
01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:33,200
loop systems still use water.

1001
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:39,700
Data centers also cause electricity costs to rise further impacting homeowners, businesses, and farmers.

1002
01:21:40,220 --> 01:21:43,800
Decennials said in a commissioners meeting that they will truck in water.

1003
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,880
When concerns were raised about their water usage, then at the community meeting in Akron,

1004
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:54,000
their first night decennials said they will not be trucking in water and will always be using our water.

1005
01:21:54,820 --> 01:22:00,400
When I asked decennials, David Pavlik details about the project in the first community meeting in Akron,

1006
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:08,380
He told me they did not have specs yet, no build plan yet, and would not answer technical questions regarding his project yet.

1007
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:12,220
We're able to tell the community it will be a 500 megawatt facility.

1008
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:19,960
They went 300, but ideally 400 to 500 acres, and will only use 20 to 25,000 gallons of water per day.

1009
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,280
I'd like to remind the plan commission members that during the August Plan Commission meeting,

1010
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:30,280
The discussion was that the data center was only going to be 140 to 160 acres in Fulton County.

1011
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:39,380
Decinials DX3 project in Hammond is only 25 acres. 180 megawatts and a 450,000 square foot building.

1012
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:47,440
Akrons will be a 300 to 500 acres, 500 megawatts, which will be over 1 million square foot building.

1013
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:50,340
This is considered a high-risk scale data center.

1014
01:22:50,780 --> 01:22:54,020
Their hemophacility is on a brownfield,

1015
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,040
and this is an area already zone for industrial use.

1016
01:22:57,420 --> 01:22:59,240
It is not around a residential area.

1017
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:01,980
These projects by decennial are not the same.

1018
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:05,220
Regardless of what any data center company says they will do,

1019
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:06,180
none of it is in writing.

1020
01:23:06,660 --> 01:23:08,420
There are no restrictions for data centers

1021
01:23:08,420 --> 01:23:11,040
and no protections in the full and county ordinance.

1022
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:12,800
The full and county zoning ordinance

1023
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,180
has left residents and landowners at the mercy

1024
01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:16,740
of data center companies.

1025
01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:20,480
I want to remind everyone, this is not just an acronym problem.

1026
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,020
This is an all of Fulton County problem because this is a Fulton County ordinance.

1027
01:23:25,620 --> 01:23:30,320
The acronym area should not be used as a sacrifice zone in this county to fill the county

1028
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:30,940
coffers.

1029
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,180
More projects will follow.

1030
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:38,240
According to the Fulton County Zoning ordinance, data centers can go on farm ground anywhere

1031
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:38,920
in this county.

1032
01:23:39,580 --> 01:23:42,340
Data centers are an industrial use, not agriculture.

1033
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,500
You have an existing industrial park for this reason.

1034
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:48,060
they should use it.

1035
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,980
Zoning ordinances exist to protect your residents, not to welcome predatory industries into

1036
01:23:52,980 --> 01:23:54,880
the county at the expense of your residents.

1037
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:59,340
The Fulton County Area Plan Commission needs to go back to the drawing board and do your

1038
01:23:59,340 --> 01:24:02,480
due diligence and truly look at the impacts of data centers.

1039
01:24:03,020 --> 01:24:06,920
You, until an ordinance, is in place that protects the health and well-being of Fulton County

1040
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,460
residents and landowners, a more term is needed.

1041
01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:11,200
Please vote yes to the moratorium.

1042
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:12,180
Thank you.

1043
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:27,140
at midnight break so you're a welcome to the restaurant. We will be back at 7 o'clock.

1044
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:03,420
Thank

1045
01:35:17,660 --> 01:35:44,240
you. So now working, it's not a lot. Okay, perfect. Okay, thank you so much. And a special thanks to Matt for recycling individuals in and out, so that others who have attending in the other areas are allowed to come in and make public comments as well. So we are now open for public comment again. You have two minutes. Please state your name and your affiliation. Who would like to begin?

1046
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:59,440
They're microphone has to be used so that those that are not in the room can hear, thank you.

1047
01:36:00,460 --> 01:36:06,420
My name is David Fox. My fiance is here and Bridget Bartlett. We're both residents of

1048
01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:15,740
Fulton County, mostly Lifetime. She's yielding her time to me to give her four minutes. I'm going to try to make it as quick as possible.

1049
01:36:15,740 --> 01:36:23,020
I don't have any prepared statements, but I would like to point out that the way that these things work,

1050
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:29,840
if you accept money from them, you have now entered into a contract with them.

1051
01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:34,880
And they'll give you the good neighbor, and then you're under arbitration.

1052
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:41,860
And if you have any future problems, any legal action you'd like to take, well, too bad,

1053
01:36:41,860 --> 01:36:47,080
enjoy the arbitration and you will be on the hook at that point for half of the

1054
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:53,600
costs because that's the way our arbitration works. They're not your friend. They're

1055
01:36:53,600 --> 01:37:00,760
not good neighbor. As far as noise that was brought up earlier from people who had

1056
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:06,620
been to the Hammond facility. That's a 20 megawatt facility and they're

1057
01:37:06,620 --> 01:37:14,900
in the build a 500. That's not the way that sounds scales. It will not get quieter or stay the

1058
01:37:14,900 --> 01:37:17,660
same. Don't let them lie to you.

1059
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:26,620
PFA's were brought up earlier. You may know them better as forever chemicals. They cause cancer,

1060
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:34,020
reproductive and endocrine harms. They do not go away. They are here forever.

1061
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:53,540
And if this is as has been presented to us, our area is a perfect area for it because of our power situation and everything, if you have something valuable to offer, you don't take the first offer.

1062
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,740
I mean, period, it's just bad business.

1063
01:37:59,460 --> 01:38:03,620
So if this is so good, let's get a moratorium on it.

1064
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,640
Let's get some time where we can study the consequences.

1065
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:13,860
And we can get more offers if we're going to sell our health wellness piece of mind.

1066
01:38:14,140 --> 01:38:16,260
Let's sell it at least at a premium.

1067
01:38:19,630 --> 01:38:24,170
And as far as the idea that they're going to be

1068
01:38:24,170 --> 01:38:33,670
up some kind of school-to-work pipeline for these facilities, sure, maybe, but they're not

1069
01:38:33,670 --> 01:38:40,130
in control of that. They build the facility and then they lease it to a tenant and the

1070
01:38:40,130 --> 01:38:45,910
tenant hires the people that will work there. They don't have anything to do with that.

1071
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:58,640
So, it's all puppies and rainbows and the best that they can present to you, but that's not how reality works.

1072
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:05,540
We need a moratorium at the very least to get a better offer.

1073
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,220
We do got a couple more chairs down here, but I once said down.

1074
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:23,960
Name and position, yes.

1075
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,500
We're now thinking, I'm a resident of Fulton County.

1076
01:39:28,300 --> 01:39:32,180
And those of you that know me have probably heard me say a time or two that data centers

1077
01:39:32,180 --> 01:39:36,120
are industrial and they belong in an industrial park or industrial complex.

1078
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,420
And I'm just going to give an example or two for you.

1079
01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:44,620
So a farmer decides to just go ahead and build a KFO, you know, a big factory farm.

1080
01:39:44,620 --> 01:39:47,020
on residential zoning right in town.

1081
01:39:47,180 --> 01:39:48,600
He decides it's a pretty good idea

1082
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,100
because you can hook up with a city water,

1083
01:39:51,340 --> 01:39:52,680
save himself drill and a well,

1084
01:39:52,980 --> 01:39:54,260
then have to worry about water quality.

1085
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,120
Same for city sewage,

1086
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:57,420
then have to home a newer,

1087
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,840
saves himself a lot of time and money, right?

1088
01:40:00,620 --> 01:40:02,840
And his workers shoot, they live right down the street.

1089
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,220
So, at weather, they can still walk to work.

1090
01:40:06,660 --> 01:40:08,160
He's got it made, right?

1091
01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:10,440
But what about his neighbors?

1092
01:40:11,180 --> 01:40:13,000
Do you think that they enjoy all the semis

1093
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,380
coming in and out, hall and feed, hall and livestock.

1094
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:19,600
Do you think that they enjoy the smell or the noise?

1095
01:40:20,980 --> 01:40:22,920
One person is winning, but several people

1096
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:24,160
are losing in that situation.

1097
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,780
Now let's look at a data center on agricultural land

1098
01:40:28,780 --> 01:40:29,500
out in the country.

1099
01:40:30,380 --> 01:40:32,360
The developers, they're looking for the advantage

1100
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:35,360
of lots of open acres right by power lines.

1101
01:40:35,740 --> 01:40:37,680
So they don't have to just mention that electric infrastructure.

1102
01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:40,460
They're looking at unmetered water usage.

1103
01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:42,660
So no one really quite knows how much water

1104
01:40:42,660 --> 01:40:47,300
they use. And they're looking for few neighbors, so they don't have to deal with those good

1105
01:40:47,300 --> 01:40:54,120
neighbor payments, more resistance, etc. Once again, they're winning, right? Sounds like a good

1106
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:59,120
deal for them. What about their neighbors? Do you think they want to listen and smell hundreds

1107
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:04,020
of diesel generators running? Do you think they want the real possibility of water issues?

1108
01:41:04,580 --> 01:41:10,350
And what about increased electric bills and decreased property values? Once again, one is

1109
01:41:10,350 --> 01:41:12,290
and several are losing in that situation.

1110
01:41:13,110 --> 01:41:15,290
Would it be convenient for the farmer if he did that,

1111
01:41:15,290 --> 01:41:16,290
or the data center developer?

1112
01:41:16,590 --> 01:41:17,170
Sure would.

1113
01:41:18,090 --> 01:41:21,310
We both know that the reality is these situations

1114
01:41:21,310 --> 01:41:22,770
don't make sense for the majority.

1115
01:41:23,630 --> 01:41:26,230
Purpose of zoning is to protect the residents.

1116
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:29,750
And when we have no protection with this current ordinance.

1117
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:31,210
That's fine.

1118
01:41:31,530 --> 01:41:32,010
Thank you.

1119
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:32,930
You give me two minutes.

1120
01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:33,310
Sure.

1121
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:34,090
Okay.

1122
01:41:34,230 --> 01:41:35,410
She gave me two minutes.

1123
01:41:36,490 --> 01:41:37,630
We shall go over.

1124
01:41:37,950 --> 01:41:38,210
Okay.

1125
01:41:38,370 --> 01:41:38,590
Thank you.

1126
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:44,650
The purpose of zoning is to protect the residents and we have no protection with this

1127
01:41:44,650 --> 01:41:49,710
curtain. That's why a moratorium would be a great step in the situation. It gives

1128
01:41:49,710 --> 01:41:54,450
time to research and to look at the corresponding and address this. Thank you for your time.

1129
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,460
and then gentlemen, what's your time to finish your meeting?

1130
01:42:09,740 --> 01:42:11,180
I'm taking much to you.

1131
01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:12,080
Oh, to you.

1132
01:42:13,060 --> 01:42:14,380
So I'm taking much to you.

1133
01:42:14,380 --> 01:42:15,280
I'm taking much to you.

1134
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:16,420
I'm taking much to you.

1135
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:16,920
I'm taking much to you.

1136
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:18,480
That's all.

1137
01:42:19,180 --> 01:42:19,820
Hi there.

1138
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:20,520
Thank you.

1139
01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:21,400
I'm Mary Gibson.

1140
01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:29,980
I am a potent-cannon resident and I am the democratic house representative candidate for District 17.

1141
01:42:31,780 --> 01:42:40,100
I live on the corner of Old U.S. 31 North and 450, where previously they spoke about the

1142
01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:41,040
water contamination.

1143
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:49,180
I moved here without knowing about the water contamination and the situation affects my neighbors.

1144
01:42:52,240 --> 01:43:01,820
I recently joined through my name in to run for the House of Representatives, partly in

1145
01:43:01,820 --> 01:43:07,760
because of this data center situation and what was being represented at the State House

1146
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:08,420
in the Senate.

1147
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:26,560
I would highly beg and plead that a moratorium be considered and approved to give time for research and understanding and allow for all the community members here.

1148
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:33,480
I would almost bet you have had this much of a showing before, or within recent years.

1149
01:43:35,340 --> 01:43:39,000
And that just shows how much it means that those here within our community.

1150
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:46,520
And then my next question, and I will stop is if there is someone here in support, because

1151
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:53,100
we've heard a lot of public comment for opposed, I would be interested in hearing what the

1152
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:55,480
public support is for the data center.

1153
01:44:12,590 --> 01:44:14,590
Thank you.

1154
01:44:16,610 --> 01:44:21,530
I believe Todd Trotier is also relinquishing his time.

1155
01:44:28,060 --> 01:44:33,320
I was a little rushed earlier, I tried to get most of my points out but I do have more to say, so I appreciate the time.

1156
01:44:33,580 --> 01:44:34,520
Thank you guys.

1157
01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:47,040
I wanted to stress the necessity of a moratorium, not just because it's a stoppage to something that we think was rushed, but because of the time it gives for research into the impact of situations such as this.

1158
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:52,740
I believe that the, what was a considered educational workshop in August that led to

1159
01:44:52,740 --> 01:44:56,780
consideration of this ordinance, although it had been discussed prior in certain circles,

1160
01:44:57,580 --> 01:44:59,080
that led to the public hearing in September.

1161
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,580
Was full of information from guest speaker Andrew Horstman that was either untrue, misrepresented or cherry-picked, which is not due diligence to take as the only major presentation before approving an ordinance such as this.

1162
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:27,560
The moratorium would allow us to correct some of this information. For example, Andrew Horstman presented that a facility that size, discussing a facility that would reasonably serve Fulton County, would take up about 14260 acres as somebody else had referenced tonight.

1163
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:34,940
The one discussed for this area has been sized at about 500 acres, at least to be preferred that way by the company.

1164
01:45:35,780 --> 01:45:45,700
And later in the same presentation, Andrew Horseman mentions that construction of 60 acres of building would bring a lot of construction jobs and inconsistency within only 30 minutes of presentation.

1165
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:52,840
Later on, it is referenced that the water problem is nothing compared to our field irrigation.

1166
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:57,560
When Andrew sites these numbers, he says that 3.2 million gallons can come out of one

1167
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,960
irrigator over the course of a season, and we serve over 250 field irrigations in Fulton

1168
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:02,860
and Plaski County.

1169
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:08,120
Now, Plaski County is not of relevance to our zoning ordinance, first and foremost.

1170
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:14,880
Secondly, while 750 to 800 million gallons of water is a large amount of usage, what anyone

1171
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,140
like to guess what number Andrew Horseman said that equaled.

1172
01:46:18,140 --> 01:46:24,740
not $800 million, but $8.1 billion, a 10-fold misrepresentation of the actual number.

1173
01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:30,020
You don't have to be good at math to know that's wrong. We've been told multiple times,

1174
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:35,020
including by Andrew Horstman at the meeting on January 20th, that the profit returned to the

1175
01:46:35,020 --> 01:46:39,440
members of RAMC would make a lot of this worthwhile from the excess energy and electricity,

1176
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:44,340
but in the presentation in August, he referenced that returned profits to the members

1177
01:46:44,340 --> 01:46:46,520
happen after about 30 years.

1178
01:46:47,780 --> 01:46:51,020
Now, a lot of people in a situation like a data center coming in,

1179
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:55,720
property valued devaluation, and other situations that might cause them to

1180
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:59,740
move, have significant health concerns, or not be an RAMC service area,

1181
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,360
are likely to not see returns that don't come for 30 years.

1182
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,540
Andrew Horstman also references that the average data center runs at about

1183
01:47:07,540 --> 01:47:09,220
55 to 58 decibels.

1184
01:47:09,620 --> 01:47:13,440
It is no secret that the average sound ordinance targets at 60 decibels,

1185
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:15,100
which is likely why he pulled this number.

1186
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,020
When in reality, we've heard from another presenter tonight

1187
01:47:18,020 --> 01:47:20,980
that from a study done in recent years,

1188
01:47:21,260 --> 01:47:24,080
not random data, not something 20 years old,

1189
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,760
that 80 decibels is more like the average.

1190
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,560
That is a representation that is 33% off

1191
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,640
of what Andrew Horstman told everybody

1192
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:33,860
at the August meeting.

1193
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,300
Later on, while representing the amount of jobs

1194
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:39,640
this would create Andrew Horstman references

1195
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,780
it could employ approximately 80 people,

1196
01:47:41,780 --> 01:47:46,440
while referencing the size of the data center in the acreage he gave, which is inconsistent already,

1197
01:47:47,340 --> 01:47:53,660
he says that it would employ 80 people. Data centers up to the largest size, maybe employ 100.

1198
01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:59,840
Later on, Suzanne, and pardon me for not representing her last name correctly,

1199
01:48:01,420 --> 01:48:06,440
Jawaharlowski, the Secretary of Energy for the State of Indiana, specifically mentions,

1200
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:08,800
pardon me I have to flip through these pages here.

1201
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:13,140
She specifically contradicts the claim

1202
01:48:13,140 --> 01:48:16,880
that it would create a lot of jobs by saying that rural Indiana is being targeted for data centers,

1203
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:20,280
because it is ideal land that does not require a big workforce.

1204
01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:24,440
There is no need for a lot of roads, schools are infrastructure, but you still get the benefit

1205
01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:26,300
of the tax base that comes with it.

1206
01:48:26,540 --> 01:48:30,120
That does not sound like the presentation of someone that expects a lot of jobs to be created

1207
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:31,680
nor cares much if they are.

1208
01:48:32,500 --> 01:48:37,840
In fact, the exact quote from the video of the presentation has a lot more in there than

1209
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:38,720
what's in the minutes.

1210
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:44,320
Later on, it is asked by Suzanne that if the state was looking for partners with Fulton County

1211
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:48,960
be willing to partner with Indiana, a prodding question from a higher government official,

1212
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:53,860
not a research-based inquiry during what was marketed as an educational workshop.

1213
01:48:56,090 --> 01:49:00,790
In several other situations, and I'll cut myself short here after this, Andrew Horstman and

1214
01:49:00,790 --> 01:49:05,750
Suzanne both mentioned that this was important to push through quickly because you really

1215
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:09,650
only get one shot if you turn them down once they are gone.

1216
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:13,030
That was not motivated by data.

1217
01:49:13,570 --> 01:49:14,710
Nor is it true.

1218
01:49:16,150 --> 01:49:17,150
Thank you for the extra time.

1219
01:49:43,930 --> 01:49:45,610
I'm Braxton, I can bury.

1220
01:49:45,810 --> 01:49:48,930
I've lived in this area for 52 years.

1221
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:54,530
And I feel like our local board has failed us.

1222
01:49:55,390 --> 01:49:58,590
They say that there were some announcements about this.

1223
01:49:58,590 --> 01:50:01,090
I haven't talked to anybody that saw any of them.

1224
01:50:01,310 --> 01:50:05,630
There was a protest at Kokomu Sunday about the same thing

1225
01:50:05,630 --> 01:50:06,550
around the courthouse.

1226
01:50:07,050 --> 01:50:07,810
Same problem.

1227
01:50:08,210 --> 01:50:09,750
Nobody knew anything about it.

1228
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:12,510
It's almost like the four county land fuels spirit

1229
01:50:12,510 --> 01:50:15,350
has come here to further itself.

1230
01:50:16,190 --> 01:50:17,450
That landfill come in.

1231
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:19,150
Nobody knew anything about it.

1232
01:50:19,310 --> 01:50:20,010
Fought it for years.

1233
01:50:20,110 --> 01:50:21,070
Finally got rid of it.

1234
01:50:21,210 --> 01:50:22,270
Now it's what it is.

1235
01:50:22,490 --> 01:50:24,710
Everybody knows it's just toxic over there.

1236
01:50:24,710 --> 01:50:28,370
I feel like we need more communication.

1237
01:50:29,490 --> 01:50:32,650
The newspaper doesn't really exist so much anymore.

1238
01:50:32,830 --> 01:50:37,290
It's one day a week, maybe we could find out stuff in a shopping guide, maybe we need

1239
01:50:37,290 --> 01:50:39,330
to set up phone trees or something.

1240
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:45,110
A big problem is the communication between the people and these boards that make these rules.

1241
01:50:45,630 --> 01:50:49,830
There's a lot of people came here tonight, wasted their day, nobody's happy.

1242
01:50:50,150 --> 01:50:53,390
You're planting the seeds of discontent in this community.

1243
01:50:53,390 --> 01:50:57,210
And it will go on forever if you build that thing over there.

1244
01:50:57,390 --> 01:51:03,410
It's like a cancerous tumor in your body, sucking you up and replacing it with poison.

1245
01:51:04,050 --> 01:51:05,670
That's how I feel about it.

1246
01:51:16,300 --> 01:51:18,420
If I could get just 30 seconds.

1247
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:19,860
You have to take a bite.

1248
01:51:20,140 --> 01:51:20,660
You have to take a bite.

1249
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,680
It's like a cancerous tumor in your body.

1250
01:51:23,820 --> 01:51:25,260
Sucking you up

1251
01:51:28,110 --> 01:51:29,610
and replacing it with poison.

1252
01:51:30,110 --> 01:51:31,670
That's how I feel about it.

1253
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:34,130
If I could get just 30 seconds.

1254
01:51:34,130 --> 01:51:43,310
about the noise. It's not just 33 percent higher. The way that sound works is a logarithmic

1255
01:51:43,310 --> 01:51:52,210
scale. Every one decibel is 10 times louder than the point below. So whenever you start

1256
01:51:52,210 --> 01:52:00,650
talking about from 58 to 78. Doesn't sound like that much on another 20 points. That is

1257
01:52:02,290 --> 01:52:11,310
2000. I forget it's 10 times than a hundred times than a thousand times for three points.

1258
01:52:12,150 --> 01:52:19,970
It is so much lighter. That's just the way the decadence works. Sorry, that's all I have to say.

1259
01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:58,400
I just wanted to speak to more personal aspect of this. We've been hearing a lot about the research that was done, but just speaking on behalf of my husband and I, which I've heard just talking to people a lot of the same feeling perhaps.

1260
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:08,200
But we made Fulton County our home, and we moved here because of the role landscape, the quiet nature, and the culture, the agriculture.

1261
01:53:09,260 --> 01:53:16,200
And we know that you may be considering the financial and development aspects of this project, but our question is what expense?

1262
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:26,760
We've heard a lot of different things today on the evening, and we believe my husband and our data centers are not a piece of economic growth for this community,

1263
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:29,600
that they utilize the land and they offer concessions.

1264
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:32,840
We attended the Desennial Group presentations,

1265
01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:35,040
and we walked away with little assurances

1266
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:39,440
to what we were looking for the answers we were looking for.

1267
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:41,420
And so we've heard about, you know,

1268
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,340
contribute to habitat loss,

1269
01:53:43,620 --> 01:53:45,720
reduce property values, the farm land.

1270
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:47,620
You know, there's public health,

1271
01:53:47,620 --> 01:53:51,240
limit recreation, and undermine the culture and economy

1272
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:52,520
of our communities.

1273
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,160
So at large, I believe that our communities contribute

1274
01:53:56,160 --> 01:54:03,520
to participation paying taxes, volunteering, creating local economies of interest and need

1275
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:08,460
looking after our neighbors and stewardship of our land. So please don't let this

1276
01:54:08,460 --> 01:54:12,720
reduction of limited assurances take away from generations of community investment

1277
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:13,580
and participation.

1278
01:54:26,780 --> 01:54:30,880
My name is Diana Bungart and I grew up in this community and I

1279
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:36,260
chose to stay in this community. Data centers are often located on flat, well-drained,

1280
01:54:36,260 --> 01:54:42,160
farmland. Once converted land is effectively removed from agricultural use permanently, farms

1281
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:48,000
and data centers may draw from that from the same aquifires or surface sources. During

1282
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:53,540
dry seasons, agricultural often loses priority. Heavy construction, ulcer soil structure,

1283
01:54:54,160 --> 01:55:00,380
increasing runoff and reducing neighborhood field drainage quality. Speculation in infrastructure

1284
01:55:00,380 --> 01:55:04,180
investment can raise property taxes, squeezing small and family farms.

1285
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,200
A short term financial gain is not worth the destruction of our land.

1286
01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:15,540
To me and my family and other people I've talked to, it ruins the water resources

1287
01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:20,720
that are for our children and generations to come, and we will pay the price in the end.

1288
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:24,060
Low frequency harm travels further at night.

1289
01:55:24,340 --> 01:55:28,480
So we will no longer hear the wonderful sounds of nature or see the night sky

1290
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,900
because of the pollution from the light.

1291
01:55:31,180 --> 01:55:33,800
Nearby residents may notice odors,

1292
01:55:34,140 --> 01:55:35,740
suit, or increase asthma risk.

1293
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,580
New transmission lines, clear-wide corridors,

1294
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:42,460
furthering, fragmenting ecosystems.

1295
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:44,900
That's all I've got.

1296
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:51,980
Hey, do you want to see the other hand?

1297
01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:53,300
The other individuals, okay.

1298
01:55:53,500 --> 01:55:54,880
I may see it up.

1299
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:57,340
Okay, thank you very much.

1300
01:55:57,940 --> 01:55:58,860
My name is Dave Bradden.

1301
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:02,860
I live down in Full Encounning and down by the North Creek.

1302
01:56:04,460 --> 01:56:07,480
Since June, we've not got much rainfall.

1303
01:56:07,940 --> 01:56:10,960
Now, we live right on the eastern side of the dam,

1304
01:56:11,300 --> 01:56:13,140
that if anyone's familiar with that area down there.

1305
01:56:13,860 --> 01:56:15,600
It's also back in behind our property.

1306
01:56:16,060 --> 01:56:19,000
Usually, two, three, four feet of water is not unusual.

1307
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,460
There's a very large muscratic den out there.

1308
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:25,900
You can see the runs of the muscrats

1309
01:56:25,900 --> 01:56:27,800
where they used to roam.

1310
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:29,600
You'll walk out there now.

1311
01:56:30,260 --> 01:56:32,200
The waterlet table has dropped tremendously.

1312
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:33,520
it's dry.

1313
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:39,680
I don't like seeing our farmland chewed up. I've been a farmland my entire life.

1314
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:44,960
I have sensed retired from it, but I don't like seeing our farm around chewed up by anything

1315
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:51,400
other than a tractor plowing the ground. They're talking 400 generators, 400 diesel generators,

1316
01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:57,160
a lot of noise. I've been around diesel engines in my entire life. You put 400 them together,

1317
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:58,960
It's a little hot and noise.

1318
01:57:01,660 --> 01:57:03,760
Okay, I got one of the things I can't think what it was.

1319
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,060
We were told at the second meeting.

1320
01:57:07,220 --> 01:57:10,940
The Akron meeting, that the gentleman states,

1321
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:12,840
we're the only game in town.

1322
01:57:13,340 --> 01:57:14,520
We're the only one who's going to save you.

1323
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:15,480
From what?

1324
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,140
Is Godzilla going to pop out of the ground?

1325
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:19,320
And is there going to save us?

1326
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:19,760
No.

1327
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:21,260
We don't need saved.

1328
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:22,780
We all love this community.

1329
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:24,420
The way that it is.

1330
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:26,180
We don't need this.

1331
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:28,560
I'm

1332
01:57:36,850 --> 01:57:37,490
coming.

1333
01:57:38,850 --> 01:57:41,270
You've got a separate, so we can see.

1334
01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:44,570
Somebody got a microphone for her name and affiliation.

1335
01:57:44,890 --> 01:57:47,790
Kenny Miller, live in Akron.

1336
01:57:48,450 --> 01:57:50,470
I just got a question for the commissioners.

1337
01:57:52,210 --> 01:57:54,930
The question is, what's your financial interest in this project?

1338
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:03,600
I'm sorry.

1339
01:58:04,860 --> 01:58:05,300
I'm coming.

1340
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:12,380
Yeah, my question is for the commissioning board.

1341
01:58:12,380 --> 01:58:16,200
So what is your financial interest in this project?

1342
01:58:28,130 --> 01:58:30,130
Well that's my question.

1343
01:58:35,230 --> 01:58:38,770
If somebody could relinquish, I don't even need two minutes.

1344
01:58:44,150 --> 01:58:47,810
I know one of the things that brought us all together

1345
01:58:48,170 --> 01:58:50,390
because there was a lack of communication

1346
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:52,450
into our county as to what was happening.

1347
01:58:53,070 --> 01:58:54,650
This may not be a popular idea,

1348
01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:57,050
but all the board represents for the most part

1349
01:58:57,050 --> 01:58:58,870
different districts in our county.

1350
01:59:00,010 --> 01:59:02,510
I know I attend at a certain time of year

1351
01:59:02,510 --> 01:59:04,850
to travel out amongst my constituents

1352
01:59:04,850 --> 01:59:07,910
and have conversations one on one with them.

1353
01:59:08,210 --> 01:59:11,570
I would almost recognize in the future, again,

1354
01:59:12,090 --> 01:59:12,110
recommendation.

1355
01:59:12,730 --> 01:59:15,070
If for some reason, we have a big topic issue,

1356
01:59:15,070 --> 01:59:23,930
Whether it's solar, wind, nuclear, small nuclear, or data, maybe we can have you guys break

1357
01:59:23,930 --> 01:59:29,810
off into teams that do not create a quorum and have forums in the district out at

1358
01:59:29,810 --> 01:59:30,190
Akron.

1359
01:59:30,290 --> 01:59:31,410
See what the feel is.

1360
01:59:31,430 --> 01:59:36,710
Hey, if we were talking about this, what you're feeling on it, only on these big ticket

1361
01:59:36,710 --> 01:59:37,390
issues.

1362
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:44,430
Go to Kiwana, head over to Aby, maybe ask some questions before it gets to the point that

1363
01:59:44,430 --> 01:59:48,210
these people are beside themselves and feel like they had no voice.

1364
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:50,370
That's all I have.

1365
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:46,220
Okay, can you hear me? All right. She doesn't know what's on that map, but if you look at this yellow area on the map that I've colored in, and then there's an orange area with a bull's eye on it.

1366
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:56,900
Everyone of those counties has had either a moratorium or they pulled the project and they're all around this folks turn it around so these people can see

1367
02:00:58,700 --> 02:01:06,580
Then there's some that aren't colored in. I know that a Franklin township and Indianapolis just passed another one stopping up project. So

1368
02:01:07,940 --> 02:01:13,120
What do those counties know that we don't know? Why are they saying no?

1369
02:01:13,220 --> 02:01:15,980
Why are they saying we're gonna put a stop to this?

1370
02:01:15,980 --> 02:01:23,780
They're putting in moratoriums and they're doing it for a reason and folks, we're not any smarter than the people in those counties.

1371
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:25,580
So we better listen.

1372
02:01:55,260 --> 02:02:03,960
Laura Bailey, I live in Fulton County, moved here in August of 23 from Plaski County.

1373
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:13,360
I sat and watched Blasky County be swallowed up by solar, because they knew how to approach it.

1374
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:18,520
They had two commissioners with lease contracts that were undisflosed.

1375
02:02:18,920 --> 02:02:25,480
They had two zoning people with lease contracts undisflosed, and it was also to the community.

1376
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:32,980
All this is one project, one developer, it's going to be 3,500 acres, it'll be great.

1377
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:41,380
Today, it's 24,000 acres, because once you open the door with no protections,

1378
02:02:44,270 --> 02:02:45,050
you're done.

1379
02:02:46,110 --> 02:02:50,350
It's that simple, and that has become a really terrible place to live over there.

1380
02:02:50,350 --> 02:03:02,030
There are multiple instances of generational farm homes surrounded literally on every side by solar panels.

1381
02:03:02,850 --> 02:03:04,550
They have no property value.

1382
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:09,430
They have no legal records, and they now have no quality of life.

1383
02:03:09,930 --> 02:03:11,410
We're opening that door here.

1384
02:03:11,890 --> 02:03:12,770
It's very important.

1385
02:03:30,060 --> 02:03:31,580
And I

1386
02:03:36,220 --> 02:03:44,820
have lived around here most of my life and stuff.

1387
02:03:45,620 --> 02:03:52,460
Now I try to come up well my husband used to always get involved in politics and I would

1388
02:03:52,460 --> 02:03:52,940
things.

1389
02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:02,180
When they said that a lot of times they go ahead and say what the agenda is, most of

1390
02:04:02,180 --> 02:04:09,060
the time your agenda is small stuff. It doesn't have anything pertaining to the huge group

1391
02:04:09,060 --> 02:04:22,440
of people. This did, and it should have had some kind of outlook to say, hey, you could put

1392
02:04:22,440 --> 02:04:29,100
I mean, diners or anything that said, okay, this is going to affect a lot of people and we should

1393
02:04:29,100 --> 02:04:30,300
let these people know.

1394
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:43,000
Now the company that's coming in, are they so willing to know the proposal that they would

1395
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:48,940
be willing to back up everything that they propose legally in documents?

1396
02:05:06,030 --> 02:05:10,830
Thanks, I am Joe Krieger, I'm a resident of Lake County, Illinois, and the general council

1397
02:05:10,830 --> 02:05:12,210
of the decennial group.

1398
02:05:12,830 --> 02:05:15,650
First, I just want to say we've been here for about 10 days, and I want to thank you for

1399
02:05:15,650 --> 02:05:16,270
your hospitality.

1400
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:20,230
We've had a lot of great conversations, a lot of great hospitality at your local restaurants,

1401
02:05:20,770 --> 02:05:25,230
and a lot of great ideas in building data centers and rural counties that have come from residents

1402
02:05:25,230 --> 02:05:29,450
here in our discussions. We met with over a hundred people and it's been very productive

1403
02:05:29,450 --> 02:05:34,050
regardless of where we build a data center. I just can also clarify where we are in the

1404
02:05:34,050 --> 02:05:38,470
process. We weren't involved in Fulton County when the change the ordinance got passed.

1405
02:05:39,150 --> 02:05:42,950
We don't have a site selected. We've actually never signed an agreement with anyone that

1406
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:49,550
lives or does business in Fulton County. We're simply here exploring at this point. We think

1407
02:05:49,550 --> 02:05:53,110
Fulton County has a lot of potential. As people have mentioned, there's an excess of power

1408
02:05:53,110 --> 02:05:53,990
running through your county.

1409
02:05:54,570 --> 02:05:57,550
You've got to develop a lands that we think won't be near any population

1410
02:05:57,550 --> 02:05:58,050
centers.

1411
02:05:58,850 --> 02:06:02,830
And we think we have a community that could benefit from economic development

1412
02:06:02,830 --> 02:06:06,730
that doesn't involve multiple factories, brain, a bunch of new subdivisions,

1413
02:06:07,230 --> 02:06:08,190
a bunch of new strip malls.

1414
02:06:08,330 --> 02:06:11,830
We think that there's going to be a very minimal impact and produce a lot of benefit.

1415
02:06:13,410 --> 02:06:14,370
Where do we go from here?

1416
02:06:14,530 --> 02:06:15,810
These projects take a lot of time.

1417
02:06:16,530 --> 02:06:20,290
I know a change in zoning is one part of the process, but for us to get to the point

1418
02:06:20,290 --> 02:06:21,330
where we're breaking ground.

1419
02:06:21,730 --> 02:06:24,330
We need to be in front of your various committees and boards,

1420
02:06:25,050 --> 02:06:27,850
half a dozen, a dozen times, to get to the finish line.

1421
02:06:28,370 --> 02:06:30,710
So at this point, we're just having the same conversation

1422
02:06:30,710 --> 02:06:33,230
that you all want to have to figure out

1423
02:06:33,230 --> 02:06:35,250
not what does any data center look like,

1424
02:06:35,290 --> 02:06:37,750
because there's a lot of bad versions of data centers,

1425
02:06:38,150 --> 02:06:40,390
but what would a good version of a data center look like

1426
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:41,930
and could it help this community?

1427
02:06:42,410 --> 02:06:43,870
So that's what we're here trying to listen,

1428
02:06:43,930 --> 02:06:46,110
trying to explore, not to figure out,

1429
02:06:46,110 --> 02:06:47,830
hey, this is exactly what this has to be,

1430
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:51,610
But can we do this and can the benefit outweigh the burden?

1431
02:06:52,070 --> 02:06:53,350
That's what we're trying to figure out.

1432
02:06:53,450 --> 02:06:55,990
And we want to thank you for your help in us answering

1433
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:57,070
that question so far.

1434
02:06:57,410 --> 02:06:58,910
And we hope to continue that process.

1435
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:05,230
Anybody else that has public comment yesterday?

1436
02:07:14,220 --> 02:07:16,180
I figured I'd come up front here.

1437
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:17,900
So people wouldn't have to strain their necks.

1438
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:21,300
Dave Pavlik, I'm the founder of Desenio Group.

1439
02:07:22,140 --> 02:07:24,680
See a bunch of faces in here that I've had the pleasure

1440
02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:27,240
to spend time with over the last week and a half.

1441
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:32,100
We've talked to, as Joe said, probably over 100 people, one on one, we've had about a half

1442
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:37,540
dozen group event forums, we rented the community center the entire time.

1443
02:07:37,880 --> 02:07:44,800
I'd say two dozen folks took advantage of the bus tour up to our data center and as the

1444
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:50,600
founder of the company and the owner of the company, I want to thank you. I know that this isn't

1445
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:56,880
easy, right? It's wrestling with what's best in the short medium and long term for your community.

1446
02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:06,160
And I'm not here to convince you to do anything here to present our ideas for what a data center could look like.

1447
02:08:06,820 --> 02:08:13,970
And I'd like to apologize if for some folks, it wasn't solidified enough or formalized enough.

1448
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:21,000
And to the folks that think that you've come with two strong ideas, I apologize to you as well.

1449
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:24,260
It's just kind of how this sausage gets made.

1450
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:27,240
So I appreciate you be impatient with our team

1451
02:08:27,240 --> 02:08:30,440
as we go through this process with you.

1452
02:08:31,300 --> 02:08:32,340
I will say this.

1453
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:37,560
Somebody had mentioned that I said something about being

1454
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:40,460
the savior of your town and I am so sorry

1455
02:08:40,460 --> 02:08:42,740
if anybody took that as the message.

1456
02:08:43,420 --> 02:08:44,980
It was not meant to be.

1457
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:45,860
We're not a savior.

1458
02:08:46,240 --> 02:08:49,660
I leave that to Jesus and my pastor to do it for me.

1459
02:08:49,660 --> 02:08:52,680
and he's having a rough goal of it as it stands, right?

1460
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:58,200
I'm just here to provide an education on how we would do it.

1461
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:01,800
What our data center experience has been like for Hammond County

1462
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:04,880
and to engage in dialogue with all of you,

1463
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:08,920
to see if there is in fact an opportunity to build something here.

1464
02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:13,120
As Joe had mentioned, we are about as early in the process as anybody could be.

1465
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:17,560
We don't even know if there is enough power for building a data center.

1466
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:37,400
We are committed to all of the resources that makes sense for the community to come to an educated decision on if this makes sense.

1467
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:46,900
We have offered to everyone that we would support the cost of legal for you to ensure that the documents are drafted to the level and

1468
02:09:46,900 --> 02:09:54,320
that you deserve if we, if and when we get to that part of the process, we offer to pay for

1469
02:09:54,320 --> 02:10:00,480
engineering services and design services to represent you through this process so that you have

1470
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:05,980
qualified folks that are certified and underwriting and examining all this, tell you if it is

1471
02:10:05,980 --> 02:10:12,260
in fact going to be 42 decibels or 72 decibels. A number of you have to ask me those questions

1472
02:10:12,260 --> 02:10:16,560
and we had to bring in our chief technical officer because I'm just not smart enough to know that

1473
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:23,280
But we heard you and we brought him in and he did his best to answer those questions for you

1474
02:10:25,780 --> 02:10:33,480
You don't have an easy decision in front of you because unfortunately these electrons are going to go to somebody

1475
02:10:33,480 --> 02:10:38,600
And I don't say that as any kind of scare tactic or as as as

1476
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:40,560
Create some false sense of urgency

1477
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:46,800
It is just the fact, those electrons aren't owned by anybody in Akran or Fulton County.

1478
02:10:47,340 --> 02:10:50,900
They flow on those tension lines that run over people's farms today.

1479
02:10:51,860 --> 02:10:57,900
And in this unprecedented race to build data centers, that's from the very top down.

1480
02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:02,540
This is probably the number one issue in the White House today, all the way to local communities.

1481
02:11:03,140 --> 02:11:06,460
People are clamoring to get these data centers built.

1482
02:11:06,460 --> 02:11:13,540
So, I just urge you as you go through this process of examination and building understanding

1483
02:11:13,540 --> 02:11:16,700
of data centers, keep that part of it in mind.

1484
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:23,200
The last thing I wanted to say was, you've got amazing folks in town.

1485
02:11:23,540 --> 02:11:28,280
Some of them despise me because of what I stand for, and I appreciate that.

1486
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:31,070
I know that you made it.

1487
02:11:31,190 --> 02:11:32,270
Thank you very much.

1488
02:11:36,330 --> 02:11:43,150
My last comment was, for the folks that have helped us along the way have facilitated

1489
02:11:43,150 --> 02:11:50,170
this, have invested their time in their energy for local businesses that have allowed

1490
02:11:50,170 --> 02:11:54,930
us to eat there or be patrons, please don't take this out on them.

1491
02:11:55,150 --> 02:12:00,230
We've heard stories of backlash and they're just trying to do right by their business or

1492
02:12:00,230 --> 02:12:00,890
their family.

1493
02:12:00,890 --> 02:12:03,970
I never wanted to bring any of that onto them.

1494
02:12:04,390 --> 02:12:10,730
They're your community and I apologize if you're upset with them

1495
02:12:10,730 --> 02:12:13,590
for wanting to support what we're trying to build.

1496
02:12:14,130 --> 02:12:17,110
Amol that at me, I'm happy with that.

1497
02:12:17,110 --> 02:12:19,850
Please don't take it out on them and thank you.

1498
02:12:19,970 --> 02:12:22,310
Honestly, thank you for the experience and the opportunity

1499
02:12:22,310 --> 02:12:25,170
to just be heard on this whole adventure.

1500
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:46,820
Yes, my name is Abigail Robbins and I am a full and county resident.

1501
02:12:48,140 --> 02:13:10,600
Thank you for those comments I was hoping to hear somebody who was into the other side and I was hoping to hear some of the benefits but really it just sounded like a sales pitch and that our land is perfect opportunity for this and lots of people want this and I think that we would all share in really wanting those communities that want it to get it.

1502
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:13,980
I, yes, no.

1503
02:13:14,340 --> 02:13:18,320
If there are communities that want it, then they should have it.

1504
02:13:18,780 --> 02:13:22,660
And if this community does not want one, it makes sense not to.

1505
02:13:22,820 --> 02:13:27,120
Now, I also represent the perspective of someone who's lived in a third world country, where

1506
02:13:27,120 --> 02:13:29,200
our water was rationed.

1507
02:13:29,260 --> 02:13:35,660
And we got it, flowed to our house from a large system to something above our house that

1508
02:13:35,660 --> 02:13:37,140
would flow just with gravity.

1509
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:38,940
And once that was gone, it was gone.

1510
02:13:38,940 --> 02:13:40,160
So we had to use it sparingly.

1511
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:45,300
And we return home to raise our kids to where I had them.

1512
02:13:45,740 --> 02:13:48,560
And the goal is to preserve the USA.

1513
02:13:49,500 --> 02:13:54,360
And then that is the grand scale, Indiana as a smaller scale.

1514
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:58,420
And then Fulton County as the smallest scale.

1515
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:00,940
But where we can actually make the biggest impact.

1516
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:04,700
And I really want to protect our water sources

1517
02:14:04,700 --> 02:14:06,060
for the next generation.

1518
02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:08,560
And I feel like that should be the highest priority.

1519
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:19,560
I've seen poverty and I know that big business can make a huge impact, but is this the business that we want, is this the biggest bang for the buck or why is the cost.

1520
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:28,280
And with almost having 14 each boys now, I really want to make sure that they want to live in this area.

1521
02:14:28,280 --> 02:14:38,580
And I appreciate everyone's comments and I hope that the people making the decisions make a good one.

1522
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:26,480
My name is Chad Hartzler. I live in the Fulton County Resident, my entire life. I am a mom and dad and moved where we live now.

1523
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:50,100
My old South, a friend, your guess, so that tells you that I am right, smack dab in the middle of this, and I've owned a business in Fulton County for 50 years, and I also just so everybody know, remember that I'm not presently, but I was the Fulton County Republican County Chairman for 15 years and still on the Central Committee.

1524
02:15:50,100 --> 02:15:59,180
So for good or bad and I think for good I had a part in electing help elect a lot of our Republican office holders

1525
02:15:59,180 --> 02:16:05,560
I know them personally. I know the type of people they are, they're good people, they're honest people

1526
02:16:05,560 --> 02:16:10,360
They want to do the right thing and a lot of conversations we've had over the years

1527
02:16:10,360 --> 02:16:15,420
How do we get the people involved? So I would say to you folks, the people are involved tonight

1528
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:20,200
And they're making their voices heard and you need to listen to that.

1529
02:16:20,500 --> 02:16:22,380
I've also met with a decennial group.

1530
02:16:22,460 --> 02:16:25,060
They've come out to the shop and introduce themselves.

1531
02:16:25,380 --> 02:16:26,340
They're fine people.

1532
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:28,600
I have no problem with them.

1533
02:16:28,600 --> 02:16:30,320
They've got a job to do.

1534
02:16:32,660 --> 02:16:34,980
They're here to sell their product.

1535
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:38,160
As all of us are in business, we have a product to sell.

1536
02:16:38,320 --> 02:16:39,360
They've got a product to sell.

1537
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:43,660
So we have a job to do to make sure that product is a good fit for Fulton County.

1538
02:16:43,660 --> 02:16:51,040
it might be, but as I set in my living room and look out my front window and fortunately

1539
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:54,740
our farm has the wires, well that's not fortunate.

1540
02:16:55,380 --> 02:16:59,280
The wires run across the back part of it, but as we own the ground right in front of the

1541
02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:06,580
house, it's all open and it's just beautiful no matter when we're seeing spring fall.

1542
02:17:06,580 --> 02:17:15,380
So, as we make this decision, we have to also realize if we do this, which folks don't understand a lot of things.

1543
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:25,220
They, the state sends a lot of things to the counties that they have to do.

1544
02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:27,780
They're required to do it, and they don't send the money.

1545
02:17:29,220 --> 02:17:37,320
So, a lot of you, when this is resolved, you need to turn around and take your fight to the state as well, that they stop doing that.

1546
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:44,660
But this is also a change of life, if they, you know, 400 acres, as I, my bedroom looks

1547
02:17:44,660 --> 02:17:51,060
out over one of the product farms that they are considering, and I think, wow, well,

1548
02:17:51,060 --> 02:17:57,180
I'm going to be 70, so I can't, I can't believe Henry Smith is 50, I remember what he

1549
02:17:57,180 --> 02:17:57,740
looked like.

1550
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:04,220
Now he's at 50, and so I can't believe I'm going to be 70.

1551
02:18:04,220 --> 02:18:10,200
So my time is shorter, we have to also consider the long-term effect.

1552
02:18:10,660 --> 02:18:14,200
I do think that some of the concerns can be addressed.

1553
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:17,200
It might be a good benefit for Fulton County,

1554
02:18:17,520 --> 02:18:21,000
but I do encourage you to take the time needed,

1555
02:18:21,860 --> 02:18:25,420
so that we can study it, and so that we can say this is what we want.

1556
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:28,220
And I think this is a good group to work with,

1557
02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:32,500
but I think we need the moratorium in place.

1558
02:18:50,770 --> 02:19:07,630
I'm just speaking for Henry Township. They're all volunteer fire department. I have not heard a thing about what a fire breaks out. And as soon as they have a structure fire, they call mutual aid right away.

1559
02:19:07,630 --> 02:19:11,690
Playing in support. We don't have enough manpower to put on a fire this size.

1560
02:19:28,730 --> 02:19:32,390
I yielded my minutes to Angie made a for a bit.

1561
02:19:35,850 --> 02:19:39,210
I just have a few things to say.

1562
02:19:39,770 --> 02:19:40,150
I would

1563
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:45,250
Our deal with you that you have 24 people.

1564
02:19:45,930 --> 02:19:49,950
This is not an argument between either your life,

1565
02:19:50,110 --> 02:19:50,990
say that's an argument.

1566
02:19:52,050 --> 02:19:52,070
Okay.

1567
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:53,050
So if you like to say that,

1568
02:19:53,150 --> 02:19:54,490
you just have to be exactly the same.

1569
02:19:55,730 --> 02:20:01,070
There were more like eight people that boarded the bus instead of 24.

1570
02:20:01,870 --> 02:20:04,330
I just want you to be aware of that.

1571
02:20:05,350 --> 02:20:05,990
Also,

1572
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:20,190
The town of Akron is 292 acres and you are proposing to build a monstrosity that is larger than our current town.

1573
02:20:20,190 --> 02:20:28,470
I want to ask Seth, so I have to start from there, so.

1574
02:20:30,450 --> 02:20:38,950
Okay, each of you when you maybe married or got your first home, you were very selective

1575
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:40,970
and where you picked.

1576
02:20:41,530 --> 02:20:49,190
My husband and I, when we were engaged, we, we prayed about it.

1577
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:54,370
We told God, we said, we want a two story farmhouse or a story and a half.

1578
02:20:55,230 --> 02:21:06,070
We want a fireplace, we want a attached garage, we want a couple acres.

1579
02:21:06,210 --> 02:21:10,410
We didn't need anything real big but a couple acres and we wanted a flagpole.

1580
02:21:10,770 --> 02:21:12,670
I know that's silly but we wanted a flagpole.

1581
02:21:13,370 --> 02:21:18,950
And God was gracious and answered that not just once but twice as we out grew our first

1582
02:21:18,950 --> 02:21:27,150
house. The great thing about that process, it was something that we got to dream about. It's

1583
02:21:27,150 --> 02:21:33,610
something that came to fruition. And what is being proposed here is not in the past.

1584
02:21:33,610 --> 02:21:39,050
I would like to do it because I guess we're right here. Thank you.

1585
02:21:39,470 --> 02:21:47,090
What's being proposed is not anything in the dream that I had. I'm just asking for you guys

1586
02:21:47,090 --> 02:21:52,110
to hear my heart, hear everybody else's heart here.

1587
02:21:52,370 --> 02:21:56,190
And I respectfully ask that you entertain

1588
02:21:56,810 --> 02:21:59,970
the process of doing a one year moratorium

1589
02:21:59,970 --> 02:22:01,270
starting from today.

1590
02:22:10,490 --> 02:22:12,960
Okay, I'm talking about

1591
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:14,900
and affiliation, two minutes.

1592
02:22:15,540 --> 02:22:16,280
Thank you.

1593
02:22:16,820 --> 02:22:19,700
Doug Burrova and Fulton County is right inside.

1594
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:22,040
Oh, put the button down here so they can hear that button here.

1595
02:22:22,540 --> 02:22:24,620
Doug Burrova and Fulton County is that better?

1596
02:22:24,940 --> 02:22:26,540
Yes, you're keeping it in the middle.

1597
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:34,320
I don't know, I live on the lake down near the dam, and I believe it's around a 225

1598
02:22:34,320 --> 02:22:37,300
day since water's flowed over the dam.

1599
02:22:37,580 --> 02:22:38,520
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1600
02:22:40,480 --> 02:22:46,600
The water level has been down probably 18 to 24 inches on Lake Manitau.

1601
02:22:47,340 --> 02:22:54,400
I believe it's affected anybody that's on the lake for their votes going in and out

1602
02:22:54,400 --> 02:23:01,780
meetings, supporting things on the lake, etc., the money that's brought in to the county

1603
02:23:01,780 --> 02:23:03,040
from Lake Manitau.

1604
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:08,080
It's a very large tax base from what I understand.

1605
02:23:08,140 --> 02:23:14,820
We fought a cap of several years ago and somebody told me it was in the 80 to 90 percent

1606
02:23:14,820 --> 02:23:19,880
of the revenues coming in from the tax base surrounding Lake Manitau.

1607
02:23:19,880 --> 02:23:33,560
My main thing tonight, I guess, is to try to preserve the natural resources that we are blessed with here in Portland County Lake Manitale and the typical new river.

1608
02:23:34,380 --> 02:23:42,200
I think farmers, or excuse me, are tax-paces of the farmers, is also very effective.

1609
02:23:42,540 --> 02:23:46,360
There's a lot of money that comes in from that, but I believe that the lake is a very

1610
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:47,160
important one.

1611
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:53,800
And I don't think it's really been mentioned, the asset that we have in town of Rochester.

1612
02:23:54,140 --> 02:23:54,620
Thank you.

1613
02:23:54,620 --> 02:23:55,540
So

1614
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:12,890
they have to, I saw some people walking and I wanted to make sure that they, if they intended to seek those with right there at the door, go back now.

1615
02:24:13,270 --> 02:24:17,270
Okay, so I'm just one more chance, one more chance, some people to keep talking.

1616
02:24:17,490 --> 02:24:20,370
John, I'm going, being ready to take on this.

1617
02:24:21,330 --> 02:24:24,930
Yeah, so I'm going to call this one.

1618
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:27,350
Last chance.

1619
02:24:27,350 --> 02:24:28,850
I don't want to miss anybody.

1620
02:24:29,570 --> 02:24:30,670
I don't want anybody with there.

1621
02:24:31,150 --> 02:24:32,490
I don't want to talk.

1622
02:24:32,830 --> 02:24:33,670
I want to miss you.

1623
02:24:34,510 --> 02:24:36,330
Anybody who's holding a Facebook account

1624
02:24:36,330 --> 02:24:39,910
or Facebook account for your chance?

1625
02:24:41,070 --> 02:24:41,730
Uh, yes.

1626
02:24:42,890 --> 02:24:43,870
Uh, may be there for the issue.

1627
02:24:44,130 --> 02:24:45,910
Luke Conner, Fulton County resident.

1628
02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:50,130
There's a lot of people that spoke tonight that seem like they had really educated.

1629
02:24:50,290 --> 02:24:53,230
A lot of people brought a lot of good comments to the meeting.

1630
02:24:53,270 --> 02:24:54,810
I appreciate all that.

1631
02:24:54,810 --> 02:24:59,790
One thing I really got caught up on was straight from the lawyer that's being represented

1632
02:24:59,790 --> 02:25:05,250
by the company tonight. He said there's a ton. There's a lot of bad data centers out there.

1633
02:25:05,970 --> 02:25:08,370
So let's think about that before we put one in our county.

1634
02:25:40,940 --> 02:25:48,860
Could somebody relinquish, sorry, two minutes, so I can make a state point, thank you.

1635
02:25:49,140 --> 02:25:54,840
Just so you know the state of Indiana is currently in a position starting last year where they

1636
02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:58,420
cut what the personal property taxes.

1637
02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:04,320
It went from a threshold of 86,000 to 2 million in a year.

1638
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:12,600
Going forward, the goal, well before the goal of eliminating property taxes, is eliminating personal property tax for all business.

1639
02:26:13,100 --> 02:26:16,180
Just know that is in the background. I imagine that will happen.

1640
02:26:16,920 --> 02:26:20,460
Well before we lose the ability to pay property taxes.

1641
02:26:21,100 --> 02:26:21,820
That's all I have.

1642
02:26:37,650 --> 02:26:42,170
Close to the public. You are welcome to stay. It's just close to public comments.

1643
02:26:42,330 --> 02:26:44,670
That's what came across. That's not what I intended.

1644
02:26:44,670 --> 02:26:53,990
So you are welcome to sit here and listen but public comment will be done after now. So five minutes that is actually let's give

1645
02:26:54,670 --> 02:26:55,470
Eight minutes

1646
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:51,040
Thank you very much.

1647
02:36:14,060 --> 02:36:21,120
Do you think I need a microphone? I guess, yeah, they probably can't. I know I made everybody else do it. Can you hear me? Okay. Can everybody in the crowd?

1648
02:36:21,940 --> 02:36:40,640
So I just wanted to say a special thank you to each and every person who came out and made public comment. Thank you for choosing to be respectful and for informing us because I learned a lot. My brain is a little bit blown right now. I knew some things, but I appreciate you make good decisions when you have lots of insight. So I appreciate that.

1649
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:58,840
I think I am actually very proud, I hate to say this but I am proud. I think Fulton County shows up when it's necessary and I do love that they always would say that we have the most well attended legislative breakfast. That's because we're smart and we have lots of opinions and everybody needs to know about it.

1650
02:36:59,980 --> 02:37:11,920
I'm going to start this really quickly, I am sorry, but you are a top of audience for a second, so I am going to ask Heather to share with us because there are ways in which you can keep updated on things.

1651
02:37:12,300 --> 02:37:16,260
I would like Heather to make that official. I did not tell her I was doing that, sorry Heather.

1652
02:37:16,940 --> 02:37:23,100
But I would like you and the public that are listening to know how you can say engaged because we'd like that. Do you have a microphone?

1653
02:37:24,060 --> 02:37:27,320
So, many ways that they can say they should know what type of thing.

1654
02:37:33,370 --> 02:37:36,170
Well, I know a lot of you were told about, um, can you hear?

1655
02:37:37,410 --> 02:37:40,170
Um, they notify me button, which I didn't know that either.

1656
02:37:40,610 --> 02:37:41,450
So, um, that is nice.

1657
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:43,070
So, when we publish something on the website,

1658
02:37:43,210 --> 02:37:46,070
if anyone has signed up for that or if you don't know about it,

1659
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:48,450
you can call the office and we can set it up with that.

1660
02:37:48,530 --> 02:37:51,270
Um, all of our agendas are always posted on the website.

1661
02:37:51,850 --> 02:37:54,450
Um, at least a week prior to better,

1662
02:37:55,150 --> 02:37:56,650
at least a week prior to our meetings.

1663
02:37:56,650 --> 02:37:59,450
We don't meet every month unless we have business.

1664
02:38:00,010 --> 02:38:05,450
I know that was a question, but if we don't have business or a petition, even our BCA boards don't meet every month.

1665
02:38:05,630 --> 02:38:11,510
But our agendas are on the website all the time, along with the minutes and the packets that all of our boards get.

1666
02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:17,330
It is published in the Rochester Sentinel and the shopping guide, the meeting date and time.

1667
02:38:17,330 --> 02:38:20,350
and the agenda, I believe the set-inals now change.

1668
02:38:20,570 --> 02:38:22,490
And I know everyone doesn't get the set-inals,

1669
02:38:22,590 --> 02:38:23,490
but that is state law.

1670
02:38:23,630 --> 02:38:26,750
We have to publish it in a paid subscription newspaper.

1671
02:38:27,230 --> 02:38:29,570
So that's why the public hearings are in the Rochester

1672
02:38:29,570 --> 02:38:31,430
Sentinel, not the shopping guide.

1673
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:33,490
So that's why that is.

1674
02:38:33,610 --> 02:38:34,690
That's a perfect case.

1675
02:38:34,990 --> 02:38:37,570
What section is Sean's eyes to make love?

1676
02:38:40,520 --> 02:38:45,520
I think it's the upcoming events, or I don't know.

1677
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:47,940
It's an upcoming updates and events,

1678
02:38:47,960 --> 02:38:48,380
or something.

1679
02:38:48,380 --> 02:38:49,240
I don't know what it's labeled,

1680
02:38:49,240 --> 02:38:52,580
but it's got like all the meetings around the community.

1681
02:38:52,840 --> 02:38:54,960
Those are all in that area, if you guys know what I'm talking about.

1682
02:38:55,060 --> 02:38:59,780
I see some head shaking, and then our public hearing notices, like for tonight,

1683
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:04,680
it is in the back of the sentinel under the public hearing notices.

1684
02:39:06,380 --> 02:39:08,960
So those are back there, but the agendas are always on the town talk.

1685
02:39:09,420 --> 02:39:12,540
And I know they have changed their ways a little bit with all of this happening.

1686
02:39:13,100 --> 02:39:17,900
They actually published everything on our agenda now and what's being asked for instead of just

1687
02:39:17,900 --> 02:39:22,820
meeting date and time. So we have tried to make a few changes, but it's always posted and

1688
02:39:22,820 --> 02:39:27,220
the website will probably be your best bet or give me a call and we'll let them know what we're

1689
02:39:27,220 --> 02:39:27,460
doing.

1690
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:31,380
Well, as I have this, do you have that rumor? I do not have that rumor. It's just a case.

1691
02:39:33,240 --> 02:39:35,900
CEO.com.ion.us.

1692
02:39:37,660 --> 02:39:43,400
So the notify, I actually saw that today. I learned that from Heather, so you can go and you can click

1693
02:39:43,400 --> 02:39:55,420
And I believe what happens then is if anything specifically associated with what you ask to be notified about, you will receive that notification, is that by email?

1694
02:39:56,380 --> 02:40:00,700
You can sign up for either one site, I actually signed up for the commissioners, and I noticed the

1695
02:40:00,700 --> 02:40:04,540
events were posted today, so I got an email and I'm not going to give you guys a sign for the commissioners,

1696
02:40:04,860 --> 02:40:07,040
but I didn't even know where it was up there and then it's going to be posted.

1697
02:40:07,700 --> 02:40:09,460
So there's a text or email, I'll leave it in the options.

1698
02:40:10,040 --> 02:40:15,820
So please take advantage of that so you can be at those receipt those notifications.

1699
02:40:16,140 --> 02:40:16,780
They are there.

1700
02:40:19,440 --> 02:40:21,620
So I address for one more time.

1701
02:40:21,620 --> 02:40:22,500
CEO.

1702
02:40:27,870 --> 02:40:36,710
Thank you. The other thing that I wanted you to go through this really something, if you may, um, and just kind of, uh, and this, I'm not, I'm sorry to put you on something.

1703
02:40:37,150 --> 02:40:50,070
I just thought quickly through, um, if you may, how we got to a position that we may, kind of the steps in which we, uh, then got there. I'm not trying to jump forward for the amendment for the amendment.

1704
02:40:50,070 --> 02:40:53,910
Yeah, like what the process is associated with that and how we got to that, and then we'll

1705
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:54,870
open up more topics.

1706
02:40:55,090 --> 02:40:55,850
That was pretty good.

1707
02:40:56,110 --> 02:41:03,310
And what we had, two meetings of discussion, two meetings of discussion, act or that, and it was

1708
02:41:03,310 --> 02:41:04,210
the public hearing.

1709
02:41:04,450 --> 02:41:09,070
And again, and the proposed amendments were posted on the website, and all the chart.

1710
02:41:09,290 --> 02:41:13,450
We don't list them separately, simply because we had almost two pages of proposed amendments.

1711
02:41:13,890 --> 02:41:18,830
So a strict amendment was proposed, but the chart was listed on the website along the agenda.

1712
02:41:21,670 --> 02:41:22,690
public and all.

1713
02:41:24,750 --> 02:41:33,930
The board decided what we're going to do. What amendments we wanted to look at and change. Then we had our public hearing. And then once they think they're recommendation, then I go to all the legislative bodies.

1714
02:41:34,550 --> 02:41:40,450
So I went to all this town town councils and missioners and everyone approved all the amendments and that's

1715
02:41:45,410 --> 02:41:45,970
public hearing.

1716
02:41:45,970 --> 02:41:46,270
And then

1717
02:41:50,460 --> 02:41:52,000
I'm going to grab this and have to go to the police.

1718
02:42:00,580 --> 02:42:02,480
Okay, could everybody hear okay still?

1719
02:42:02,860 --> 02:42:03,020
Yes.

1720
02:42:03,660 --> 02:42:03,860
Okay.

1721
02:42:04,740 --> 02:42:08,240
So at this moment, we will take board comments.

1722
02:42:09,380 --> 02:42:11,180
Would anybody like to start first?

1723
02:42:16,910 --> 02:42:19,850
First of all, I would like to put you on the spot again.

1724
02:42:20,630 --> 02:42:21,350
Can you explain?

1725
02:42:21,870 --> 02:42:23,710
We're trying to be discussing the more important.

1726
02:42:24,010 --> 02:42:25,910
I think the other part of this is guessing.

1727
02:42:27,210 --> 02:42:29,590
So explain how the more foreign works.

1728
02:42:29,790 --> 02:42:31,390
We know that the cities are not in blue.

1729
02:42:34,050 --> 02:42:34,530
This

1730
02:42:42,690 --> 02:42:46,710
is a particular board story that was proposed to be by the Commission, so the Commissioners,

1731
02:42:47,230 --> 02:42:51,490
any amendments to the ordinance were more important, but only be effective for the county.

1732
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:54,270
What's the decisions made tonight?

1733
02:42:54,430 --> 02:42:56,430
And I will then ask the legislature to bodies.

1734
02:42:57,150 --> 02:42:58,710
They would like the board for him as well.

1735
02:42:58,930 --> 02:43:01,690
I know I did talk to Akron yesterday, last night.

1736
02:43:01,910 --> 02:43:07,430
And they have a small bit of the zoning type lumber takes up mostly industrial and they don't have any A.

1737
02:43:07,430 --> 02:43:15,450
But if they want the moratorium, no, I can bring about a bunch of other bodies, but the biggest concern would be the county, which is especially the Ag Distorts.

1738
02:43:16,470 --> 02:43:17,910
So the moratorium goes through.

1739
02:43:55,900 --> 02:43:57,140
I didn't like you can hear me that good.

1740
02:43:57,440 --> 02:43:59,720
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1741
02:44:03,400 --> 02:44:06,420
So, I would make the recommendation that we do a moratorium.

1742
02:44:06,740 --> 02:44:09,920
So let's open it up for discussion and see what everybody else thinks.

1743
02:44:15,470 --> 02:44:15,610
Come in.

1744
02:44:15,610 --> 02:44:27,510
I mean, just to be able to make sure that everybody has just like all of you have an opportunity when to make sure that everybody will have an opportunity.

1745
02:44:28,590 --> 02:44:32,870
That's okay. Well, just like other people who need a second to take a breath.

1746
02:44:33,810 --> 02:44:35,210
So we just want to be respectful.

1747
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:45,870
So I just want to thank everybody that's coming here tonight.

1748
02:44:46,870 --> 02:44:50,470
I really appreciate all the comments, the concerns,

1749
02:44:50,470 --> 02:44:52,770
They're all valid concerns, I believe.

1750
02:44:55,830 --> 02:44:59,970
The urgency does scare me a little bit, just how quickly things have proved.

1751
02:45:00,420 --> 02:45:11,460
Pressing, and I just feel like we just need to take a step back and look at all options, look at everything, and make a very informed decision. Thank you.

1752
02:45:19,450 --> 02:45:20,410
Okay,

1753
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:35,470
interesting tool here and so I too am glad that y'all came and that we were able to hear your concerns.

1754
02:45:36,070 --> 02:45:47,010
You are the public. We serve the public. You've made it very clear about a lot of the dangers that are involved in this

1755
02:45:47,010 --> 02:45:52,150
And I too think that a moratorium, I'm particularly,

1756
02:45:52,450 --> 02:45:54,430
I'm agricultural based.

1757
02:45:55,290 --> 02:45:59,890
And so I am very concerned about the agricultural aspects.

1758
02:46:06,190 --> 02:46:08,250
I am here representing Akron.

1759
02:46:09,910 --> 02:46:11,530
I live in town.

1760
02:46:11,770 --> 02:46:13,850
I've lived there in my entire life.

1761
02:46:14,290 --> 02:46:16,630
I still live in the house that I grew up in.

1762
02:46:17,630 --> 02:46:19,290
It will be my home forever.

1763
02:46:20,330 --> 02:46:40,370
And I too think that we need to slow things down and take a closer look at what the benefits are and also what the negative aspects are so that we can make a good decision that will benefit

1764
02:46:41,010 --> 02:46:50,030
Akron and the county if we choose to move forward with this.

1765
02:46:52,250 --> 02:46:54,650
I didn't say I knew so.

1766
02:47:06,460 --> 02:47:07,340
Not yet.

1767
02:47:07,980 --> 02:47:09,460
No but I just want to thank everyone.

1768
02:47:10,260 --> 02:47:12,080
I definitely have learned a lot.

1769
02:47:12,940 --> 02:47:15,500
And obviously I feel like there's still a lot to learn.

1770
02:47:16,540 --> 02:47:20,360
So I do just want to keep learning and if this is what we know so far what else

1771
02:47:20,360 --> 02:47:21,060
there to know.

1772
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:29,130
I'm going to reiterate, thank you guys all for your comments. I did learn a lot,

1773
02:47:29,470 --> 02:47:33,910
so I am on this board because of my position with Purdue Extension, and I am the Ag and Natural

1774
02:47:33,910 --> 02:47:39,250
Resource Educator. And so I wouldn't be doing what my passion is about with Ag if I did not

1775
02:47:39,250 --> 02:47:42,750
recommend that we do a moratorium and keep Ag or culturally and Ag or culture.

1776
02:47:46,500 --> 02:47:49,600
Hi, I'm Michael Trig. I want to thank everybody for coming tonight,

1777
02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:57,620
and voice in your opinion and telling us how you feel about what is coming into our community and your concerns and everything else.

1778
02:47:57,720 --> 02:48:04,760
It helps to educate us and help us make an informed decision so I just want to thank everything that one of you.

1779
02:48:15,140 --> 02:48:16,340
Okay, now I guess I can talk.

1780
02:48:23,160 --> 02:48:26,040
Basically, like everybody else said, I mean, we got your message.

1781
02:48:26,820 --> 02:48:31,300
Even the people that I had had a couple of people text me and tell me, you know, they

1782
02:48:31,300 --> 02:48:32,500
was interested in it.

1783
02:48:32,740 --> 02:48:33,400
Let's slow down.

1784
02:48:33,580 --> 02:48:36,400
Make sure you have your facts first before you make any decision.

1785
02:48:37,240 --> 02:48:42,220
So I guess that's the main reason why I think without a doubt, we need some kind of a

1786
02:48:42,220 --> 02:48:43,700
moratorium, but no.

1787
02:48:44,240 --> 02:48:45,600
So thank you all for coming.

1788
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:49,620
We appreciate comment. Like you say, we usually have two or three people show up in a meeting.

1789
02:48:49,940 --> 02:48:57,700
So this is, you know, paper, paper well notes and but so thank you for coming. We appreciate it.

1790
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:12,180
I have been wanting to allow everybody else. So I've been doing my research on the term moratorium. Also on the term.

1791
02:49:12,700 --> 02:49:18,580
We'll just a full understanding of the area plan commission. I'm a big language girl. I do the set church all the time too.

1792
02:49:18,580 --> 02:49:22,440
The pastor says a big word, I like to look it up and understand what it means.

1793
02:49:23,560 --> 02:49:32,740
And everybody probably knows this, but as a reminder, the area of plan commission, we get to be the research and development, which is probably why I love it so much because I like to understand things.

1794
02:49:32,740 --> 02:49:39,940
I think it's really interesting on the lifelong learner, so each of you is like a Petri dish of like knowledge to me and it's great.

1795
02:49:39,940 --> 02:49:46,360
I appreciate that. The one thing at first, and I'm just going to be honest, and Rick and I

1796
02:49:46,360 --> 02:49:52,200
had this conversation, and he may laugh. I'm kind of telling on him, but at first, my understanding

1797
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:58,920
of a moratorium was that it was used as a punishing tool, which when you do the data, because

1798
02:49:58,920 --> 02:50:04,180
that's what I did, because I was trying to avoid like the information out of probably a super

1799
02:50:04,180 --> 02:50:09,600
abundance of caution to be fair. So I didn't get to do all the research that you guys did,

1800
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:12,180
because I wanted to make sure I got to listen to each of you first.

1801
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:18,680
But I did research a moratorium, and it has been used as a suppression economic suppression tool.

1802
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:20,300
And so I was worried about that.

1803
02:50:20,340 --> 02:50:26,340
But after great discussion for probably two hours with Rick about what that looks like in making

1804
02:50:26,340 --> 02:50:26,820
a story.

1805
02:50:27,300 --> 02:50:27,620
I do.

1806
02:50:28,480 --> 02:50:31,480
He was my pediatric dish of knowledge to ask him all the questions.

1807
02:50:31,620 --> 02:50:37,280
I just wanted to make sure I understood because I, as well, I don't take decisions lightly.

1808
02:50:37,280 --> 02:50:41,000
I think that we need to ensure that we make the best decision.

1809
02:50:41,540 --> 02:50:44,680
And I do have to admit that when we made the decision,

1810
02:50:45,080 --> 02:50:49,480
we understood that more information would be needed at certain times.

1811
02:50:49,800 --> 02:50:52,100
We also, in my opinion, just my beliefs,

1812
02:50:52,320 --> 02:50:55,460
we did not want to leave ourselves or I did not want to leave ourselves

1813
02:50:56,100 --> 02:50:59,220
to potential opportunity for someone to jump in.

1814
02:50:59,360 --> 02:51:02,320
Because, you know, if you don't have some protection, then you are not protected.

1815
02:51:02,540 --> 02:51:05,260
So in my mind, that's what I believe to be true.

1816
02:51:05,260 --> 02:51:08,440
So I do believe that there needs to be more data.

1817
02:51:09,020 --> 02:51:11,900
I love your idea, this young lady that's at the front

1818
02:51:11,900 --> 02:51:16,300
when I say that, Ms. White, I love the idea of a committee.

1819
02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:17,880
I do think that that's lovely.

1820
02:51:18,280 --> 02:51:21,840
I think that that's helpful because all of us are very busy people,

1821
02:51:22,080 --> 02:51:24,920
but some of us probably are very passionate about the subject,

1822
02:51:25,280 --> 02:51:29,700
and would be able to put time and effort into making that happen.

1823
02:51:29,960 --> 02:51:32,580
I love the idea of the citizen input,

1824
02:51:32,580 --> 02:51:37,960
because that then is additional because obviously there's very passionate people that have been

1825
02:51:37,960 --> 02:51:41,800
doing their research. I don't know that we can have every single one of you on there. I apologize,

1826
02:51:42,620 --> 02:51:49,540
but I don't know how that would work. So that's kind of where I'm at. I do think that like

1827
02:51:49,540 --> 02:51:58,750
Chase said, it does not hurt to take a pause. Pause is not a bad thing. Because we have had

1828
02:51:58,750 --> 02:52:05,350
a rush of activity, and I don't believe anybody can make effective, great decisions when

1829
02:52:05,350 --> 02:52:08,870
you are not able to take a deep breath and think.

1830
02:52:09,630 --> 02:52:13,670
So I do agree that we need to take a pause and that a committee might be great.

1831
02:52:14,150 --> 02:52:19,870
So Andy, from this perspective, I would like you to help us to understand what our options

1832
02:52:19,870 --> 02:52:20,730
are.

1833
02:52:21,090 --> 02:52:26,690
And then from that perspective, we can have additional more discussion and move forth.

1834
02:52:26,690 --> 02:52:28,090
So,

1835
02:52:33,240 --> 02:52:41,900
the Plan Commission has 60 days from this public hearing that we've had to vote on

1836
02:52:41,900 --> 02:52:42,440
the proposal.

1837
02:52:42,720 --> 02:52:47,860
The statute says you're to vote not later than 60 days after you've held the public

1838
02:52:47,860 --> 02:52:48,220
hearing.

1839
02:52:49,200 --> 02:52:55,280
That vote is couched in the statute in terms of favorable or unfavorable recommendations.

1840
02:52:55,280 --> 02:53:10,340
And then there's further procedure where depending on that vote that is certified and it goes back to the legislative body.

1841
02:53:11,180 --> 02:53:16,360
And so that's your kind of your timeline is within 60 days of tonight.

1842
02:53:16,540 --> 02:53:20,060
You are to make a favorable or unfavorable recommendation.

1843
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:26,140
there's actually the statute says you can make no recommendation, but it also says you have to vote.

1844
02:53:26,960 --> 02:53:32,180
So I don't know that we've ever had a non-recommendation vote, but that's possible as well.

1845
02:53:32,980 --> 02:53:35,280
And so that's what's on your agenda.

1846
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:47,960
Yes, I mean just as part of a body, you can certainly establish the committee.

1847
02:53:47,960 --> 02:53:55,220
I just mean that's optional, but what you have to do is within 60 days you have to make

1848
02:53:55,220 --> 02:53:58,960
a favorable or unfavorable or non-rightly, but you have to vote within 60 days.

1849
02:53:59,160 --> 02:54:00,300
So we should say something wrong.

1850
02:54:08,820 --> 02:54:14,760
Yes, just make sure it's clear to the legislative bodies how you are responding to this

1851
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:15,300
proposal.

1852
02:54:16,060 --> 02:54:16,680
So you can,

1853
02:54:20,780 --> 02:54:25,240
well, and Rick can expand on this, but the minutes of the commission's

1854
02:54:25,240 --> 02:54:32,000
meeting say that motion was made to amend the ordinance back to the area plan commission

1855
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:34,980
to revise the ordinance concerning data centers.

1856
02:54:41,830 --> 02:54:50,270
To revise, I, I Rick has represented that that was a request and you, it was presented

1857
02:54:50,270 --> 02:54:54,050
from Heather and Rick this morning as the proposal is for a moratorium.

1858
02:54:54,650 --> 02:54:55,450
Okay, so the additional,

1859
02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:01,460
now it's not an additional recommendation.

1860
02:55:01,460 --> 02:55:09,740
I see Rick is clarifying the vote and he can he can bring because the proposal can start in the legislative

1861
02:55:09,740 --> 02:55:17,420
It can start here and the proposal we heard before the public hearing was for a moratorium and and forgive me

1862
02:55:17,420 --> 02:55:23,060
It it then on meaning. I don't recall Rick if you put a particular time period on that recommendations

1863
02:55:35,610 --> 02:55:36,210
Okay

1864
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:38,590
Open to discussion again

1865
02:55:41,890 --> 02:55:43,730
My intention is

1866
02:55:43,730 --> 02:55:51,170
The fever's hot right now. Everybody's worried. Let's go on on. I think we need to make a decision tonight on a moratorium

1867
02:55:58,350 --> 02:56:00,650
I'll open that up to support discussion.

1868
02:56:03,570 --> 02:56:07,670
Oh, it's just gonna ask how long you thought we needed how long you thought we needed

1869
02:56:30,880 --> 02:56:33,120
you can turn your microphone off, your microphone on.

1870
02:56:42,450 --> 02:56:43,810
You can turn your microphone off.

1871
02:56:43,810 --> 02:56:45,030
You can turn your microphone off, your microphone off.

1872
02:56:46,670 --> 02:56:49,730
Come out, you're actually a little help with the problem I apologize.

1873
02:56:49,970 --> 02:56:52,810
I just want to make sure that you're calling on your office for a water and a face.

1874
02:56:53,950 --> 02:56:55,850
So you're saying, like I've got to decide.

1875
02:56:56,170 --> 02:56:56,950
I'm going to go right now.

1876
02:56:57,170 --> 02:56:57,670
It's up to things.

1877
02:56:57,790 --> 02:56:59,670
No, I'm asking you to close this.

1878
02:57:00,070 --> 02:57:00,530
Right now.

1879
02:57:53,620 --> 02:57:53,980
You

1880
02:57:58,400 --> 02:57:58,760
know,

1881
02:58:01,220 --> 02:58:02,260
when you send it back for change, you know, when you send it back for change,

1882
02:58:02,260 --> 02:58:07,260
we need to study the changes and get it right. So that's the reason why I thought we needed

1883
02:58:07,260 --> 02:58:13,300
a moratorium to slow everybody down, get their cash to the grass and figure out what we really

1884
02:58:13,300 --> 02:58:14,480
one to do.

1885
02:58:17,910 --> 02:58:18,250
So.

1886
02:58:23,090 --> 02:58:23,570
Okay.

1887
02:58:36,850 --> 02:58:39,490
Okay. Okay. So I need to make the proposal now.

1888
02:58:46,310 --> 02:58:46,690
Yeah.

1889
02:58:48,990 --> 02:58:52,090
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1890
02:58:52,130 --> 02:58:52,130
Yeah.

1891
02:58:55,650 --> 02:58:59,750
But my intent is probably a year. I mean, you're proposal to think things over.

1892
02:59:00,290 --> 02:59:05,210
Change your budget. Yeah. I don't think we can change it back right now. Yeah.

1893
02:59:05,210 --> 02:59:06,090
Yeah,

1894
02:59:08,570 --> 02:59:10,290
you go with that.

1895
02:59:11,190 --> 02:59:11,790
Yeah, yeah.

1896
02:59:11,790 --> 02:59:12,470
Okay.

1897
02:59:13,130 --> 02:59:13,330
Okay.

1898
02:59:14,390 --> 02:59:22,390
So then what I understand is that the proposal that is being stated is a one year moratorium

1899
02:59:22,890 --> 02:59:27,930
is that what you're saying that you were clarifying for what was given to Heather.

1900
02:59:29,490 --> 02:59:29,530
Okay.

1901
02:59:30,010 --> 02:59:35,770
So I would like to allow others to speak on that because that's the first time that we've heard that.

1902
02:59:35,770 --> 02:59:44,450
So, not that we haven't heard it from all you all, but from Brick and he is, you know, the legislative body. So anybody, okay.

1903
02:59:46,810 --> 02:59:55,510
Yeah, I would agree with a one-year moratorium in regards to the committee with Bobby separate if we wanted to establish that committee today.

1904
03:00:24,040 --> 03:00:30,100
I mean, I struggle a little bit with the year. I do, and that was what Rick and I had talked about.

1905
03:00:30,100 --> 03:00:56,780
And I don't think I should be punished for that, but I feel that we should, that that is not putting us in a position in which we feel that we would be able to have the respect to everyone because there are others in the community that I know are afraid to come here.

1906
03:00:56,780 --> 03:01:03,460
And I hate to say that because I know that's probably not going to be favorable to say, but I have to be fair to everybody and I hope that everybody understands that.

1907
03:01:04,860 --> 03:01:10,440
I know myself and I'm just stating facts. I have been threatened by individuals.

1908
03:01:11,400 --> 03:01:25,220
And so I know that individuals that have been and I'm not saying I agree with everybody. I just want to say that first. I do agree. We need to understand more information. Please hear me say that. I totally agree with that.

1909
03:01:25,220 --> 03:01:33,820
But I also want to make sure that we're being conscientious of others that may have been afraid to come into this room that did not speak their mind.

1910
03:01:34,040 --> 03:01:41,120
So that's just something I want to say because we represent everybody and we do have a large amount of people who are strongly minded in one direction.

1911
03:01:41,160 --> 03:01:45,420
But we also have some that are in the other direction. I just want to be fair. I like to be fair. That's what I do.

1912
03:01:46,480 --> 03:01:50,600
So, okay. Now, me and A is going to argue here, but wait, that's the side of the point.

1913
03:01:51,860 --> 03:01:57,700
if I understood everybody right at this because we put a year on it six months down the road,

1914
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:03,280
we got our policy in place and everybody's good with it. I think we can go or if it's

1915
03:02:03,280 --> 03:02:08,240
three months when we got our policy in place and everybody's good with it, we can still

1916
03:02:09,460 --> 03:02:11,060
it am I right, Andy?

1917
03:02:24,160 --> 03:02:30,240
Yes, if the if the moratorium is passed by the county commissioners

1918
03:02:30,240 --> 03:02:41,980
here. And it is then desired that that be shortened. It can be shortened. If it was an amendment

1919
03:02:42,960 --> 03:02:51,120
to those own ordinance, then it needs to evolve this process again. But yes, that can happen.

1920
03:02:51,120 --> 03:03:00,140
So, I mean, I don't see what you heard, like I said, at the three months or more done,

1921
03:03:00,160 --> 03:03:02,820
six months were done, everybody's good with it.

1922
03:03:03,060 --> 03:03:03,980
We roll with it.

1923
03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:06,060
So, that's my thoughts.

1924
03:03:06,620 --> 03:03:07,820
And, and.

1925
03:03:11,340 --> 03:03:16,240
So, my only issue with the year is that I don't think that we should wait the

1926
03:03:16,240 --> 03:03:23,020
three months and stop and then get moving when we get closer to the end of the

1927
03:03:23,020 --> 03:03:30,860
We need to keep the momentum going and not say, oh, we have a year so we'll just wait till November and then we'll freak out again

1928
03:03:31,920 --> 03:03:32,440
Okay,

1929
03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:39,440
to the devil's act that that is a little sad that get to Kathy's point

1930
03:03:39,980 --> 03:03:41,820
So, and this is just a thought

1931
03:03:43,360 --> 03:03:46,700
Andy and I crack a jackbuck a certain box of attorney

1932
03:03:47,280 --> 03:03:50,080
Let's say to Kathy's point we do a

1933
03:03:50,080 --> 03:03:54,580
six-month moratorium and we say dotted out just listen I know you're

1934
03:03:54,580 --> 03:03:59,460
discrete and discrete but just listen and we say we need more time. I guess

1935
03:03:59,460 --> 03:04:08,840
is it easier to do the year? Is it easier to do the year and then to short

1936
03:04:08,840 --> 03:04:14,560
nits or is it more students to do what Kathy was talking about or what we were

1937
03:04:14,560 --> 03:04:19,100
kind of thinking through is a six and then we can add another six at some point. I'm

1938
03:04:19,100 --> 03:04:23,860
asking for understanding clarity, perspective from the process of everything.

1939
03:04:24,620 --> 03:04:28,560
I think either way, that is another amendment to the zoning ordinance.

1940
03:04:29,320 --> 03:04:32,600
So process wise, I don't think it saves you anything.

1941
03:04:34,240 --> 03:04:36,140
I'm just from a process.

1942
03:04:36,180 --> 03:04:40,940
Obviously there are policy questions in that that are above my priority, but as a process

1943
03:04:40,940 --> 03:04:47,740
matter, it is always an amendment to the zoning ordinance to impose

1944
03:04:47,740 --> 03:04:58,620
to change or to lift a moratorium and so we've got some of this process built in, regardless of my view.

1945
03:05:07,070 --> 03:05:15,870
So then if the favorable recommendation to the commissioners would be the moratorium of whatever length,

1946
03:05:16,290 --> 03:05:22,970
a separate that we would like to have a committee, a study committee on this young ladies recommendation because I think that's a great idea.

1947
03:05:24,770 --> 03:05:29,190
And the third would be, or is it just the two that we would?

1948
03:05:29,190 --> 03:05:30,370
I haven't heard the third.

1949
03:05:30,850 --> 03:05:31,270
Okay.

1950
03:05:34,300 --> 03:05:37,220
I'm just making sure that we have set a lot of words.

1951
03:05:37,320 --> 03:05:40,460
I am starving and I'm making sure that we have it under control.

1952
03:05:41,860 --> 03:05:49,760
So any other board comments that would like to be made at this point for the,

1953
03:05:50,620 --> 03:06:00,060
I believe proposed one year, or if we did half of that, and then renewed it. Any other comments

1954
03:06:00,060 --> 03:06:01,280
at this point?

1955
03:06:03,460 --> 03:06:05,080
Not in regards to that, but the committee.

1956
03:06:05,820 --> 03:06:07,260
You have a comment on the committee?

1957
03:06:07,660 --> 03:06:08,100
Go ahead.

1958
03:06:08,600 --> 03:06:13,600
So I do feel like that it would be appropriate to have people that are for and against on

1959
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:15,480
the committee, just for it to be fair.

1960
03:06:15,480 --> 03:06:26,760
And so, and maybe it's even at our next meeting, so we have time to think about a good plan for the committee and so they just kind of have, you know, right now.

1961
03:06:27,060 --> 03:06:27,940
So that's my thoughts.

1962
03:06:28,640 --> 03:06:33,340
I will remind everybody you know what time that I've had our next meeting, don't

1963
03:06:37,820 --> 03:06:39,420
you?

1964
03:06:47,780 --> 03:06:56,700
So I mean it could be a lengthy meeting or it could be a, that's, I'm just warning you, I'm not saying it will be a won't be.

1965
03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:39,700
What I was stating is that we don't want to rush the committee, because we feel that that would be a really important step, and that was what Chase was stating is to ensure that we have adequate time to assess who would be the right individuals on the committee, because I think that's super important.

1966
03:07:39,700 --> 03:07:46,380
important because we don't want it to be heavily suited or heavily suited against because

1967
03:07:46,380 --> 03:07:51,640
that's not a fair committee, right? So and making sure that we have the adequate amount of

1968
03:07:51,640 --> 03:07:58,380
people for that, that was what the statement was. So any other comments at the moment or

1969
03:08:01,120 --> 03:08:14,540
I would like to make a motion that we have a moratorium for 12 months on this conference.

1970
03:08:30,440 --> 03:08:43,600
And the vote is a favorable vote, but we have to basically vote yes or no.

1971
03:08:44,860 --> 03:08:52,520
Okay, what Andy was saying is that they would have to be a yes or no vote and the motion

1972
03:08:52,520 --> 03:08:58,990
on the table is for a 12 month moratorium. I believe we'll take a second vote on the committee

1973
03:08:59,800 --> 03:09:04,830
at a separate time. So we will go starting at that end.

1974
03:09:14,090 --> 03:09:15,490
for

1975
03:09:19,740 --> 03:09:32,940
the proposed 12-month moratorium, Chase, Rick, Amy, Kathy,

1976
03:09:35,290 --> 03:09:35,690
Gloria,

1977
03:09:38,260 --> 03:09:42,940
Brooklyn, Mike, and this

1978
03:10:09,610 --> 03:10:16,330
I just want to let you know I am not against a moratorium I want that to be a hundred percent clear.

1979
03:10:17,110 --> 03:10:18,330
I believe in the moratorium.

1980
03:10:18,650 --> 03:10:20,610
I think the time link is a little bit long.

1981
03:10:21,190 --> 03:10:23,350
But we're also taking a motion on this.

1982
03:10:23,630 --> 03:10:26,770
Miss White comments about a committee.

1983
03:10:27,510 --> 03:10:32,730
So do I have a motion to recommend putting committee together?

1984
03:10:33,790 --> 03:10:39,850
motion, and now we're going to, uh, favorable motion, and we're going to do a roll call.

1985
03:10:40,790 --> 03:10:45,950
Second, I'm sorry. Okay, Rick's second it. Okay, so now the roll call.

1986
03:10:51,820 --> 03:10:53,240
Okay, roll call for the

1987
03:10:53,240 --> 03:11:07,780
committee, um, Chase. Yes. Rick? Yes. Amy? Yes. Kathy? Yes. Gloria? Yes. Brooklyn? Yes.

1988
03:11:07,780 --> 03:11:17,060
mic. Yes. And that passes seven to zero. I

1989
03:11:24,420 --> 03:11:26,240
just want to once again thank

1990
03:11:26,240 --> 03:11:32,320
everybody for your express patience. I tell you I you are road warriors for

1991
03:11:32,320 --> 03:11:37,060
saying here this long but also I do I am very proud of each and every one of you.

1992
03:11:37,220 --> 03:11:45,120
I do want to mention that I know that we have strong feelings but I just want to

1993
03:11:45,120 --> 03:11:51,360
friends, and we are allowed to disagree, which if we don't, then we're not making ourselves better people.

1994
03:11:52,000 --> 03:11:56,420
So, but let's do it respectfully, so we're going to say something.

1995
03:11:56,920 --> 03:12:00,360
Yeah, you know, we're going to take a talk right now, after a second.

1996
03:12:02,260 --> 03:12:04,920
Uh, when are we, when are we doing this, Rhiner?

1997
03:12:05,280 --> 03:12:08,140
Monday, Monday, commissioners, meeting, or what, what's going on?

1998
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:08,780
Do you know?

1999
03:12:11,820 --> 03:12:14,300
What's coming back to us in your sentence?

2000
03:12:15,280 --> 03:12:21,120
A resolution or a favorable recommendation for the proposal of the redness.

2001
03:12:21,420 --> 03:12:22,300
So can we do that?

2002
03:12:22,460 --> 03:12:23,360
Or do you know where you are?

2003
03:12:24,900 --> 03:12:25,380
I don't know.

2004
03:12:25,980 --> 03:12:27,320
I don't know about the commissioner.

2005
03:12:27,820 --> 03:12:28,840
You guys have to go.

2006
03:12:29,480 --> 03:12:29,780
You guys have to go.

2007
03:12:30,340 --> 03:12:34,460
I have to go.

2008
03:12:34,460 --> 03:12:35,480
I have to go.

2009
03:12:35,800 --> 03:12:36,060
I have to go.

2010
03:12:36,140 --> 03:12:36,360
I have to go.

2011
03:12:37,020 --> 03:12:38,080
I have to go.

2012
03:12:39,300 --> 03:12:40,260
I have to go.

2013
03:12:40,260 --> 03:12:40,420
I have to go.

2014
03:12:40,420 --> 03:12:44,980
sometimes Friday, so Monday, we got a meeting Monday already scheduled.

2015
03:12:47,020 --> 03:12:49,380
Is that just so

2016
03:12:49,380 --> 03:12:54,440
everybody knows is what I think that's good enough, Brian, you good with that or what?

2017
03:12:56,990 --> 03:12:58,750
Okay, okay,

2018
03:13:01,870 --> 03:13:03,590
okay, so stay tuned, I guess.