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Still making their way in. I remind everyone, both up here and down there, please silence your cell phones.

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And, reminder to commissioners that this meeting is audio recorded, so please speak into the microphones when you speak.

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So, do we have anyone willing to set the order of agenda?

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So moved. Second.

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All right, commissioner, Sam. This is made a motion commissioner good murder seconded.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed, say no.

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The motion carries unanimously.

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Consent agenda item.

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Meeting minutes from the February 10, 2016.

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Meeting any discussion commissioners.

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One edit on the Singatory line.

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My name is listed when it should be Mr. Walter's name. Who is the current chair?

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Anything else?

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Move approval with correction.

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We have a motion and a second any further discussion.

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Hearing none, all those in favor please say aye.

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Aye. All those opposed please say no.

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The motion carries unanimously.

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Moving on to item D reports and recommendations.

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Type 2 design modification number R-2016-002-DM to be known as Candlewood Suites by Rochester

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lodging ventures.

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The applicant is requesting to increase the allowable height for the building, from

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proposed building, from 40 feet to 41 feet and 34007 inch.

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The property is located in the B4 General Commercial Zoning District and is located at 1630

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Broadway staff.

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Hello, Commission. The applicant for this request is

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Rochester lodging ventures. They're located in Aberdeen, South Dakota. Their

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consultant is Dacey Holmes with LSA and she's located in Fargo, North Dakota.

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The property is located south of County Road 25. I'm also sorry that was not

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corrected. It's located south of 16th Street, Southeast and East of Broadway

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Avenue.

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The property is zoned before. It is surrounded with M1 zoning district and some R1 zoning district as well.

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The request is actually for a height of a maximum of 55 and a half feet. The tallest point of the

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a pair of pit would be about 44 and a half, 44 feet and 3 quarters or so inches.

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The east-west elevations of the proposed hotel are similar, they've mock each other.

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The north-south elevations also mock each other and that just gives you the elevations

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of the north-south.

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So as you can see, the parapets are on either side and the mechanical units would be located in the middle.

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This is just the aerial view coming from the south of the existing property.

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You can see to the north, there's a mixture of uses.

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There's a forest story, a three story building in the corner.

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There is a two-story building here, and then there's some single-family dwelling units here.

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There's also some single-family dwelling units to the south here, and then another business right on the corner.

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And this is just another view of the current hotel, and this hard-ealer ship will also go away as part of the project.

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This is a street view of the existing hotel,

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and a street view of that three-story building that was down the street.

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And then this is the street view of the north of the south side of the building.

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On the top of the roof trepses are 41 and 3 quarters inch, the parapets as I said range from 44 and 6 to 7 eighths inch to 55 and a half feet.

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Since the portion of the adjacent east property is on R1, the height may increase by 50%.

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And the maximum height proposed would be an increase of 39%.

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Your action is a type 2 application and the planning commission is the decision-making body.

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A public hearing has not been paid for, therefore if a public hearing is requested,

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this item must be table. As of yet, we did not receive any written requests for a public hearing,

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so therefore you can make a motion to approve, approve with conditions, deny, or table the request.

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And you must also make findings to support your decision.

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The staff recommends to approve the application.

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We did notify you of a change of a finding for number three.

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We had apparently stated that the shadow effect would be in the summer.

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There would be some increase in shadow effect made occur on adjacent properties, primarily

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with the settings on in the winter months.

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And with that, I'll take any questions.

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Missionaries any questions?

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This is not a public hearing, so commissioners any discussion.

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I'm move approval staff staff's revised findings.

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Missionary Sims is made a motion.

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Commissioner Meek has made a second.

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We have a motion on the table.

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Is there any further discussion?

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Hearing none. All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye. All those opposed? Please say no.

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That brings us to continued items. Type 3 Phase 2 Incentive Development Preliminary Plan

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R-2015-034CUP and Design Modification R-2015-014 by I-Red Properties. The applicant is proposing to construct

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a two-four-story 404 unit total apartment buildings

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along the ground parking.

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The property is within the R3 medium density residential

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and B1 restrictive commercial zoning districts,

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and is located at the northwest corner of Superior Drive, Northwest,

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and Badger Hills Drive, Northwest.

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So in the packet, we included two items for this.

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The first item is a memo.

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The second item is an email we received from the applicant.

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I don't know if they really know where they're at on this project yet,

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and they are requesting that the item be table,

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then they have agreed to weigh in the 60-day rule.

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Our department occurs.

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We would recommend tabling it as well.

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Mr. is any questions?

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Do you need a motion for that?

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Correct.

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For legal counsel, is it unusual or is it problematic in any way to just table something

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indefinitely so that they can bring it back up years from now if they wanted to?

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Well, there are still timeframes that I'm sure the point part of the advice them, but typically

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they just want to better product to bring before you, and you're not sure how soon that

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I'll have to.

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Okay.

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Commissioner, is there any further to table?

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Commissioner Meek has made a motion. Commissioner Wilson is seconded. There's a motion on the table. Any further discussion.

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Hearing none. All those in favor. Please say aye. All those opposed. Please say no.

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Motion carries unanimously.

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So now moving on to public hearings.

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We will begin with items F1, F2, and F3 will all be considered together because they

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concern the same piece of land.

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We're talking about special district R-2016-001 SD, general development plan R-00335GDP,

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and preliminary plaid R-2016-003 PLAT.

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To be known as Windermere Woods by Windermere Woods, LLC.

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The applicant proposes to rezone from the applicant proposes to rezone from interim zone to a special district.

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The general development plan designates the location of the proposed single-family dwelling lots and street layout.

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The preliminary plat proposes to subdivide 34 lots on 48.38 acres.

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There is located east of 18th Avenue southwest south of 28th Street southwest and west of 15th Avenue southwest.

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Staff.

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Thank you.

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The applicant for this three applications is winter mirror woods, LLC, the owner is winter mirror woods, LLP.

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You stated the location that is an aerial map.

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That shows roughly where it's outlined the subject side area.

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The applicant has submitted three applications.

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As you stated the special district proposal, general development plan and a preliminary plan.

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It's currently zone in the interim zone, it's been that way ever since it was annexed into the city.

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The land use plan designation is low density residential and I have some maps to show that very quickly.

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This is the land use plan map, as you can see, such as the entire area, the subject site, the neighboring neighborhoods are low density residential, this is the land use plan map.

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This is the zoning map and zoned eye for interim.

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You can see the zoning into the south is R1 and then the zoning across the streets on the west and the east are RSA.

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This is a general development plan that was submitted by the applicant, also included in the packet with our analysis of the findings.

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This is tilted, the left side would be north, so you can see that we're posing a connection there would be the east side and then on the south side essentially a extension of Sherburn to the north, anything in the cul-de-sac.

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This is the preliminary plat that's basically slightly more detailed than what I just showed you.

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The show's a lot of acreageers. This also shows slopes and tree lines on it.

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These are photos I took. I visited the site. The left photo is looking south.

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This would be along 15th Avenue southwest, looking south.

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The photo on the right is looking north. This is from what currently is a dead end or called a sack on that Sherburn.

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And then the photo on the left, that's actually the same place.

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I was at that dead end called the sack on Shurber, and I just took a photo of South

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just because that's roughly a rural cross section street.

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And then that photo on the right, that's on the northwest corner, where 28th street means

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the county road, 147, which is also 18th, Avenue Southwest.

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And so their property would be on the left on that photo.

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Planning Commission action required.

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The Planning Commission must make a motion to recommend approval approval with conditions

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or denial of the requests.

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Three separate motions should be made, starting with the special district and the general development

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plan and funding the preliminary plan.

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Planning Commission must also make findings to support the recommendations.

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The recommendation will be for the city council and her to the later public hearing.

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On the special district, findings are listed in the report.

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The staff recommends approvals, the special district of one condition.

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The easement subsection shall be struck from the proposed language.

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I've talked to the applicant about that.

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I think they're in agreement.

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I think they'll get a chance to discuss that later in the meeting.

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And then the applicant just recently submitted some language.

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I had a language in my report that analyzed the project as it

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It was in relation to physical features on the site.

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Slopes, tree line, decorant, and the applicant

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did submit some additional language.

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I have several copies.

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I'll press them all very quickly.

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I was going to read it instead of a, I was actually going to read it.

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So this is available at the planning department.

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If anyone wants to look at it, but I will read it very quick.

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This is an addition to, so this is the proposed

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or an ensling which, and this is in, I believe in response to my report comment that discussed

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regulations concerning protecting environmental and physical features.

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So Section 64W.210, Sublimision 3E, we propose the following state.

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This first sentence is existing right now.

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It says the location of Windermere Woods is unique, and that it is surrounded by developed

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lands with difficult terrain on the west and north sides, in addition, the applicant proposes

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the following. The terrain is a mixture of steep slopes, drainage channels, the core edge

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soils, the core edge features and mature woods. The design of the street, sanitary

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sewer facilities and water distribution lines, avoid disturbance of the steep slopes in

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the core edge, as well as minimizes deforestation and mass creating. It's from water treatment

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will focus on low-impact development design to enhance unsight infiltration, up slope of

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the core edge features. That is what they've added. Again, this is available this is

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and yesterday by email from the applicant, anyone wants to see it's available at the planning

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department.

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Recommendation on the general development plan.

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Again, staff's findings are in the report, staff recommends approval subject to the conditions

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listed in the report, as well as the preliminary.

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The staff recommends approval subject to the conditions that we have in the report.

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Can I take any questions?

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Mr. Chairman, any questions?

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I had one, and I'm trying to find the page in our report where it was, but I seem to recall, unless I'm

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mistaken, something about like 13 years ago, a special district was requested in the same area.

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I was considered inappropriate then or something to that effect.

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I don't know if it was necessarily considered inappropriate.

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So I don't know all the history for the site, but just very briefly.

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So this was annexed and forgive me.

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I might be off a year or two.

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It was either in 2000 or 2001, I believe.

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And at the time, they debated what it should be zone.

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Normally when properties come into the city,

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the default is the R1X, though I can't say for sure

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if that's what it was in 2001.

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I don't know if R1X would have been amended since then.

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But at the time, they just got several options, RSA, R1, R1, R1x, special district.

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I don't know if at the time they were opposed to it, I don't think the applicant was ready to move forward with that, though.

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Because it does take some time and thought to propose a special district. Does that respond to your question?

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It does, I might just be remembering the comments.

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I don't believe though. I don't believe that that was recommended against. In fact, I think at the time the memo said that

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they were thinking some type of underlying R1 that the special district would be desirable.

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Page 9 of this report page 31 of the packet overall.

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R-sa was already found unacceptable when annexed in 2001 due to the land use plans goal of encouraging compact and smart development that officially uses

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efficiently uses city utilities such as sewer and water.

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So maybe it wasn't that it was applied for.

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It was just one of many, many options.

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Correct.

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And we wound up with the zone that it is.

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Correct.

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I think they, right, putting it in the interim, the idea was,

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it has to be revisited as it is right now.

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It has to come back for public hearing and be revisited.

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Commissioner, any other questions?

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All right.

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So hearing none, let's go ahead and open the public hearing.

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the public hearing is now open, traditionally an applicant or applicants representative is the

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first to come forward, so if there's anyone who fits that description.

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Good evening Gordon.

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I'm Chef Griffin with GQ Delta Chapefield, name represent an applicant, the C.V.

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Plunk and family have owned this property for over 50 years and back when we're talking

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in 2000 when it came in, extend, they just weren't ready for development at that time, and

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So as Carl pointed to, it was just kind of put into a holding panel, pattern, however correctly

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and is report on page 26 of your packet, you can note that it was suggested in the memo

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at that time that they suggested a special district zoning with underlying R1 zoning underneath

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the special district.

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When we met with the Plutton family early on, we did a typical R1 development for this.

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And it was almost twice a loss that we're proposing.

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They indicated, you know, it's been in our family for 50 years.

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We know a lot of these neighbors.

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We're not comfortable with that.

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We want something that blends in better with the neighborhood.

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And we want to share the neighborhoods what we're getting.

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And so, through about four or five iterations you have what you see here now.

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and really the special district what we're applying for is to assure the neighborhood what you see is what you get.

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That's really what we're doing here. We're saying we're telling you we're going to have 34

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lives max and that's it if we're going to have more than 34 we're going to have to come back into the whole process over.

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We're talking about having you know our one has 6,000 square foot minimum we're talking about half acres.

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You know, that's over 20,000 square foot, and so really that that's important to the

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pump and family to assure the neighbors what they come forward here is what they're going

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to get.

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We went through the staff report and in all honesty, we agree with almost the entire staff report.

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On the special district, I'd like the one change that Carl brought forward the language

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that we did to further clarify his concerns on the on the trees and the slopes regarding the

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general development plan. There's one condition that I'd like to address and that is

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page.

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It looks like 37 of your packet. In addition, nine, the last sentence of condition nine

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is North West's most parcel appears to be non-buildable and shall be combined with existing

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single family dwelling on the lot.

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I would rather not have it forced to be combined with that lot.

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The lot they're talking about combined with this large lot that Mr. Plunkets lives on.

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The reason why I'd like to have greater flexibility is there's a chance that we may

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come back and plant that as an outlot and keep that open space for the whole development.

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There's also a chance we're finalizing the wetland delineation right now.

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There's a chance that there might be a stormwater feature on it.

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And so all I'm saying is it might be a little premature to say

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the only option for that is to combine it with that existing parcel.

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And so I'd appreciate it if we could address that last sentence.

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But other than that, we agree with staff's report and we agree.

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We went through the traffic portion.

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We agree with that also.

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That I'm here to answer any questions that anyone may have.

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Okay, commissioners, does anybody have any questions?

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Um, I was wondering, I noticed in the neighborhood meeting, um, some complaints about the,

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a joining neighborhood having a six foot walking path, like you're proposing, and all the markings had,

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died off.

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Uh-huh.

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Um, would you be supportive of any kind of added condition, something just to the effect of,

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you know, saying something like minimum standards, I guess, for making sure that it's painted.

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And I know eventually it becomes public works is not to keep it that way, but would you be okay with something like that?

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We would.

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The mission is any other questions?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And people are always welcome to make.

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In your own words, if you can, why is special district?

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Really, the special district is, we felt, and we discussed this in detail at the neighborhood meeting.

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If we came in and went with R1 or R1X like typically done when properties brought into the city

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Right now the plunk of family plans. I'm being the ultimate developer and they feel like they know the neighborhood

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They know their neighbors and they want to treat their neighbors. Very late. They felt that they wanted to share their neighbors that if if we went for our one zoning

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We go through a general development plan

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We go through the, or we go through the reason to our one, very light, there's a chance that another developer could come and buy the property from them and end up coming in with something at two or three times the density.

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And the plugins didn't want that. They wanted to share the neighborhood that 34 lots is what they're going to get, and not, and not anymore.

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I

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want to certainly welcome to make multiple trips to the podium or something else comes up.

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So, this is a public hearing.

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If there's anyone who wishes to be heard on this topic, please come forward.

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Could you please state name and address for the record?

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Kathy Coleman, which of these guys?

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Okay. Okay.

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I'm Kathy Coleman, 1429, 2023 Southwest.

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I'm a member of Bamberwood, neighborhood.

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And I'm speaking tonight, and behalf of the Bambroid and Lamar, Nikolay, and I'd like to just

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before we start just acknowledge the people who are in audience from Bambroid and Lamar.

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He has put hands up.

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I just want to acknowledge them.

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And I don't know if this matters, but this was a little bit of the topic.

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But you talked about the Special District for the 2002 Craft Hill, and that was denied.

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And 2002, the council denied it because of, and it's he has much more expertise than the reasons, but that was denied and then the GDP was denied.

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So it was a whole different, whole different reason than this. It was different town homes and things like that.

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So anyway, we are not taking addressing that, but I just thought I'd add that.

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So, thanks for, as being able to speak with you guys tonight.

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And you'll see in the agenda packet that we submitted, we have documents that we have shown

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to the city and to the developer.

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It's a letter to the developer as well as our the Bamboo Wood will more comments about

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this property.

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So sorry there I'm sure you guys have looked at it.

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So I will just give you a brief summary.

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And so, in BambarWids, Lamar, we prefer no roadway connection to BambarWids, or we

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prefer an 18th Avenue only connection, serving all of the wind a mere traffic, or limited

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roadway connection to BambarWids for emergency vehicle use only.

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But we also understand that those options are unlikely ones, and that a roadway connection

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at 30th Street and 15th Avenue will be favored. And then we will expect that the city of Rochester

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makes certain that improvements are made to our roadways, improvements stipulated in past findings

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on this very same issue. All those are spelled out in your pocket. We also request a condition in the

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away access from any of the abutting properties onto 15th Avenue into Bamboyad and that per

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earlier assessments by the city of Rochester are roads not used for any halt traffic.

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The city's traffic engineers cemented a traffic analysis in their review of the Windermary

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GDP, estimating the amount of traffic generated and how that traffic would be distributed

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and traffic patterns in an out-of-winter mirror.

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Since that analysis is in your packet also,

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from the Rochester instead planning transportation group,

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I don't need to cite specific details,

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but I want to point out a couple of conclusions

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made by the ROPD Transportation staff that

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retained directly to this 2016 GDP in front of you.

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And I quote,

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The key finding in this assessment is to note that 20A street, West of 15th Avenue, both streets in Bamberwood, is not currently constructed to the recommended standard for rural residential street, in terms of actual roadway width.

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Under future traffic volumes both 28th Street and 15th Avenue would be substandard in terms of actual roadway with when compared to guidance from the comprehensive plan.

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They go on to say, in their summary, the information brings us back to the same debate that was conducted when the Stonewood development was before the city for consideration in 2007-2008.

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With no changes having been made to the streets in Bambarwood, in the Bambarwood area, the same

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sub-standard street conditions exist as existed at that time, again, based on guidance found in the Comprehensive Plan.

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The recommendations made and adopted at the time of Stonewood development are still valid,

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I end quote. Again, those are the summary statements of the Rochester-Omsted client

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department traffic engineers for this GDP. I just want to conclude that as residents

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of Rochester and neighborhoods that will be directly impacted by a wind and wind development.

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I think you guys are going to review all the aspects of this and the impacts both on and off

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Miss Coleman.

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Thank you.

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Good question.

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Stepping back a little bit to your statement.

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You said that the neighborhood would ask for no driveways to enter in a 15th Avenue

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is that correct?

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Looking at the map, it does appear that the properties to the east of 15th do have driveways

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onto that road is that correct?

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Right.

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And so your reasoning is the extra volume?

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Right.

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Okay.

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Do you know what's the postage speed on 15th?

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you know. That's probably what it would be, Tony. I think. Okay. But just that, I think

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just the fact that it's, it is a development that is in wind and air, so it makes sense

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to have those driveways access the streets within that development and not access the streets

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and backward. I think having a connection on 30th is in and of itself is something, but if

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You add traffic coming out from, I believe, it's six homes, six potential, lots on 15th.

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Already subsandered 22 foot wide roadways, and even if it was increased,

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we would prefer

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that not happen.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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So in that sense, you don't, so I'm a little bit busy subsandered in that it's too narrow,

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But you don't want it widened?

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No, no, we do.

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All of that is in.

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But I think you're open, I understand what the staff was saying.

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No, our opinion is all in your pocket.

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That, yes, if anything, if the connection is going to be made,

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that, yes, the...

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So if the streets were wide and you'd be okay with the driveways?

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Absolutely. Well, maybe the driveways. But definitely any traffic that comes through on to 15th.

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And as you can see in what we've submitted before and what the city has studied before,

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there's piles of paperwork,

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that you can probably look at assessments and matrixes and stuff like that.

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Anything that would increase traffic on that street and 28th would need to result in widened roads

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Right now, that's 22 feet right the 15th

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Connection and

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28th street where all pores down the hill is 20 to 21 feet wide going down the hill with no walkways

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Nothing on the side

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So it's it's a little outside of our purview because we don't have the power

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to change 15th Avenue, the powers higher than us can do that. But when you say that you

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want 15th Avenue improved and made bigger, are you saying that you want sidewalks

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at or are you saying you want a four lane road there?

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No, we're talking, we have a 22 foot wide section right now period, right? So the past studies

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that have been done in our neighborhood have said the road wide ways should be widened to

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24 feet with two-foot walking sections on each side.

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So it needs shoulders.

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You saw it?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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As I said, everyone is welcome to make a second trip to the podium

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of something that comes up.

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This is a public hearing.

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Anyone wishing to be heard on this topic, please come forward.

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My name is Vega.

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My address is 3-1-0-sharbon place.

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So we are right in the Cardi-Sec,

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where the Sherbon place is going to join this development.

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We have been living there for about 12 years and over the 12 years there are three problems

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that we have seen which are gradually becoming really difficult to drive on a daily basis.

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Getting out of this subdivision from grace stone to 18th Avenue, or when you are coming to turn left into grace stone.

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Over the last three years particularly has become very difficult and accident prone and I will tell you why.

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The 18th Avenue when it comes from the other side, it is a pretty downhill slope and when the traffic comes which usually at about 55 miles they come.

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They suddenly appear for people who are going to turn left into the subdivision.

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So, when you think there is nothing and when you think it is safe and you make it turn

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suddenly a car comes at 50, 55 miles and this one has become particularly a big problem

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in the last two years once the accourage has completely filled up and we found it a problem

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and barren words is getting occupied but once the accourage has come which is about three years

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this is getting very difficult to go in and out with more traffic that is going to get even

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words and certainly accidents are going to happen there and the second thing is once you enter into

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graystone

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we are the 30 seconds straight

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then the lane curves

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before it comes to Sherbourne and that's the main becoming a very difficult area for people

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I don't know how many people are here from graystone and I encourage so you would probably

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to realize that. And just where Sherber enjoys the Greystone is the Park, which serves a

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courage, Greystone, and Barrenworks. And even some kids from outside come there too. Because

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Sherber directly goes into it, and in the 6, 5, 6 months that the families and kids come,

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The traffic is getting very dangerous and in the last two, three years, there have been

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some near misses there.

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So these are the three things that we are already having problems and if the Shurban joins

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into this, we have serious concerns that these problems may become even more and even at

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this stage, we are very much worried about turning into it and out of it.

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So, that is the biggest concern and I have a second question, maybe I think come.

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Maybe you can, you just want to also know where the stormwater, you know, the this whole thing goes.

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And is there any problem and there's too much water and where is that problem going to be?

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This is a public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to these topics? Please come forward.

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My name is Amit Gosh. I'm from 312 to 412.

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I'm a neighbor of Shanti Wage. The way the whole thing is set up right now.

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I know one thing, being in this country for 23 years, citizen for the last 16 years, Americans

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don't want to be told what to do.

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They have choices about food, clothing, shelter, everything, but there is one thing they always

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show up for, they show up for work, and if you give them one road, they will use that work.

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They get divorced, they parents die, but they still show up for work.

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Right now, the way the map is lined up.

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There is only one road which I see, which is connected to the Sherbourne place, which shows us a direct traffic with 34 houses there.

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If we say, we can't go to the 15, 3, 20, 3, they are too small, too ill-developed.

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This road is going to be taken day in day out.

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911 ambulances will be flying.

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We cannot assure that people won't get pregnant, and they won't get dead, and they won't die in that area.

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that will happen, that what happens in every house. There is no other way out right now

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which I see, which is going during the winter time or the summer time. So the traffic

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as my neighbor said, Shanti Wage, you have to live there to see how some of the neighbors

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right in the corner of Grace Stone, they park their car here, so we have to negotiate our way

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in, around the car. There are some high school kids there who park their houses there.

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So my main thing is, if you go ahead with this plan, without developing what our other

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neighbours have said, the other roads, the entire traffic will be flowing through our street.

447
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Our street is used by elderly couples who walk with their dogs and walk with everything else.

448
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:13,610
I just dread to think what can happen if there are no other avenues given to the fine people

449
00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:19,430
who are going to use all their mortgages and going to use all the savings to move to the

450
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:19,970
locality.

451
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:24,530
We don't want to pitch one group of neighbors against the others, but this has to be thought

452
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:24,930
far.

453
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:25,890
Thank you very much.

454
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,900
This is a public hearing.

455
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,640
Anyone wishing to speak to these topics?

456
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Please come forward.

457
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:38,630
Good evening.

458
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:45,490
I also have traffic concerns in addition to the ones just my trust first please.

459
00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:47,350
Oh, my name is Dan Levich.

460
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:52,950
I love that 1315 with Lowell Lane, which is in Gristown.

461
00:37:53,990 --> 00:38:00,090
In addition to the traffic concerns that my neighbors just brought up, I also have some

462
00:38:00,090 --> 00:38:11,390
concerns about the additional traffic that's going to be in Pozdaan 18th Avenue and heading

463
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:21,790
down towards the mail would road intersection and also for mail would road to 16th street.

464
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:29,630
Both those intersections seem to be growing in congestion and adding more density to the

465
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:33,170
neighborhood areas just going to exacerbate that problem.

466
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:34,770
So that's it.

467
00:38:34,850 --> 00:38:35,330
Thank you.

468
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,800
Thank you.

469
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,460
come forward.

470
00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:53,830
I am the Kaviki. I live in Patuantan Sharban place. And as my name everybody

471
00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:58,810
has pointed out from my place. I just want to say that place is not right now. It takes

472
00:38:58,810 --> 00:39:06,670
more than approximately 100 homes which have the same exit entry point into 18th Avenue where

473
00:39:06,670 --> 00:39:13,010
that dip my husband was telling. And now with addition of 34 homes and making Sharban place

474
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:21,010
as a continuous road would increase the traffic, there is a single road at 30 seconds

475
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:25,450
to it, which joins 18th Avenue. That's one thing. And I was just going on,

476
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:31,050
Chris may have a road near Bamber Valley School. And there is this Mayor Wood Lane, which

477
00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:36,470
has got 30 homes there. And they have two exit points in that neighborhood. And then there

478
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:41,750
is this Abigail Lane. And then Bamber Lane and Mayor Wood Common Court, they're all within

479
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:50,490
A mile or two of Bambarwal School, I think a mile of Bambarwal School and they all have different exits into

480
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:53,670
Mayabudraud, Mayabudraud is flat and straight.

481
00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:58,510
Whereas 18th Avenue is winding road with Hili and Slope Road.

482
00:39:59,190 --> 00:40:05,690
So there to have 32nd street, which is a common entrance of gracestone to all the three neighborhoods,

483
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:10,410
which is happening now and which my neighbors also have described.

484
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:17,850
It would be very dangerous in the future, and so in order to do that, the development looks fine.

485
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:20,070
The only thing is on the left side.

486
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:27,770
If you have another road to the road which is facing the east side, I think it would cut down the sharpest place

487
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:30,970
and the base stone having a common exit for four neighborhoods.

488
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:35,110
And this windmill neighborhood can have its own.

489
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:40,390
But two ways where ambulances like, or any vehicles,

490
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:42,570
can 9-11's enter install.

491
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:45,290
And then also, develop the 28th Street,

492
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:48,410
which can become bigger now, make it wider.

493
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:52,270
So that with 18-thav ainu, will not have just one place

494
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:54,090
where all the neighborhoods are staggering

495
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:55,910
to enter the 18-thav ainu.

496
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:57,670
So that it is based out.

497
00:40:57,730 --> 00:40:58,710
There is hot farms.

498
00:40:58,870 --> 00:41:00,470
And there is a stone, which development.

499
00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:03,150
And there is one more development, which I think

500
00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:10,130
in the works, just opposite the grace stone. So I just think the entrances or exits into

501
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:16,090
18th Avenue need to be staggered because of the nature of the road and just went on May

502
00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:22,570
of a road and it's so well planned which each neighborhood has having its own exit. So that's

503
00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:25,170
what I'd like to submit to the book. Thank you.

504
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:32,150
This is a public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak

505
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:33,930
to these topics please come forward.

506
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,120
Anyone including anyone who's spoken already is certainly

507
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,580
You can have double speakers, that's no problem.

508
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:50,800
Once again, Jeff Griffin, with GQ, got a chat field representing the applicant.

509
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:53,340
I just wanted to address a couple of comments.

510
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,000
As you heard, there's conflicting things between what the graystone folks want,

511
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,420
and what the BAM River folks want.

512
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,820
Staffs report on page 29 pretty much makes it clear the second paragraph.

513
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:15,040
They talk about the secondary access as identified in the proposed GDP and pre-liminary

514
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,440
plat.

515
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:21,720
It's both required by ordinance standard and as high a desired promote public safety and welfare.

516
00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:28,900
Like some of the graceful people said, you know, having that second way out really solves

517
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:30,620
a lot of problems for those folks.

518
00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:34,020
And so that's why we put it there.

519
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,320
Regarding the construction traffic, we have no problem with that at a night condition that

520
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,480
our construction, none of our construction traffic will go out to these. We don't have a

521
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,040
problem at all with that.

522
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,860
Guiding the storm water, a gentleman talked about storm water, we're actually going to

523
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:54,600
divert probably 90% of our storm water. It's all going to run to the north. We're going to

524
00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:00,240
build a storm water pond at the northern end of the property and so there's going to be no

525
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:06,100
location where our off-site storm water is going to be greater than pre-existing conditions.

526
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:09,360
So we're going to make it better for everyone around us.

527
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,100
The last thing I wanted to touch base was to control access on 15th.

528
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:22,320
The neighbors, we already eliminated a whole row of housing along 15th.

529
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:29,800
Our previous layout had, you know, a whole, another row of lots that all those lots about it,

530
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,100
15th only. And so every one of them were taken access off of 15th.

531
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:43,380
To make the lots next to the neighbors a little bigger and to not have nearest many on to 15th, we did it this way.

532
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:52,200
We feel that most of them are going to come off of our new call to second there, but to dictate that they can have no access, we think that that's a hardship.

533
00:43:52,200 --> 00:44:09,390
I mean, I can and a lot this size we I can barely see that someone would maybe put garage in the back and to tell them that they have a garage in the back, and they they can't go in there to access it, it just seems to be a burden other than that to any other questions for us.

534
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,540
Is it this may have been included, but is it the geography and topography?

535
00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:21,800
on the US Senate's property, they would make it not feasible to connect directly to 18th.

536
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:27,580
That's exactly correct. It's very steep. If you look at it, there's no way that we can meet

537
00:44:27,580 --> 00:44:32,160
design standards going up there. And we also run through a decor, share, share,

538
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,260
lens also.

539
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,540
Thank you.

540
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:40,970
Our sewer route is coming from the south, right on Grace Stone, our connection there.

541
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:46,130
and our sewer is all going to drain towards it. If you see on the northerly called a sack,

542
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:49,930
you see a large ball with an island in the middle of it. We're going to put a

543
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:54,070
sanitary lift station in that island in the middle. So it's all going to drain there and then

544
00:44:54,070 --> 00:44:55,190
be pumped back to Graceville.

545
00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:59,570
Exactly, correct. Nope.

546
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,020
We're going right through the connecting right on the road system.

547
00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:16,700
We're looking at right now and we're still finalizing with public works.

548
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:24,840
But right now, we're looking at the connection coming off of a graystone all the way up to the northern

549
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,500
called a sack with the island and that all to be a rural section. And then also the east leg

550
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:35,680
going over and connecting to the subdivision to the east, that also is going to be rural section.

551
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,120
The only thing we're looking at have an urban section would be the two called the sex to the west.

552
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:48,530
No, it's mostly because there's some really nice trees in there. And if you go to a rural section

553
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:53,970
by the time you put an in slope, a ditch bottom and a back slope, we're taking out another 30 feet

554
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:56,850
trees, and we really want to preserve those nice trees in there.

555
00:45:56,890 --> 00:45:58,550
So how, approximately, how wide?

556
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,100
29 foot.

557
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,380
And so public, how we understand the policy, public works, doesn't require an urban

558
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:11,500
section for a development like this.

559
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:13,160
They still have a rural section of the mix.

560
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:13,860
Absolutely.

561
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Absolutely.

562
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,820
Negotiating between the two of you, what works best?

563
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:18,300
Exactly.

564
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Exactly.

565
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:23,520
And you're not proposing any of these to be private in the streets.

566
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:42,500
Um, it would have been our preference to have them all be public, but public works is indicating if we don't put sidewalks on both sides and it has to be private and we're looking at, we really don't want the sidewalks because we, we like the rural setting, we like what Grace don't set for a theme and we don't want the sidewalks.

567
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:51,640
It's also another thing to work around with removing some more oak trees and so we may end up those two call the sex of the West may end up being private so we can save the trees.

568
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:55,240
Thank you.

569
00:46:56,420 --> 00:47:08,420
very similar to what Commissioner Goodberg asked about the topography and the decor on the west side, similar considerations went into the north side, they need to accept that both the topography, yeah exactly correct.

570
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:10,720
Any other questions?

571
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,280
Thank you.

572
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,400
This is a public hearing. Anyone wishing to be heard on these topics? Please come forward and state name and address for the record.

573
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:27,040
I have a call in 1429-203 Southwest, remember what they want to say is that

574
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,860
Jeff does our friend something about grace, don't, and remember what having

575
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:37,060
incompatible goals, that is not true. We're not saying, don't come through

576
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:43,300
remember word, we're just saying, if you make a connection, widen the roads, bring them

577
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:51,380
up to what every study has said since 2002 in our neighborhood. So I just want to

578
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:53,240
the third saying or vice versa.

579
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,560
Just out of curiosity, have you approached your city councilman about maybe talking with public

580
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,580
works or trying to orchestrate some kind of meeting other minds there?

581
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,800
I've been in touch with I was at a councilperson and we have talked to the developer in this

582
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,400
case and since 2002.

583
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,360
If you guys look back, I mean I know there's a lot to go through, but there is stuff from

584
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:24,020
Council hearings from 2002 and studies that have been done and finding saying what needs

585
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:31,060
to happen on our streets to add any more vehicles. That's how we're asking. So I just want

586
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:36,380
to make that clear that we're not at opposition with Grace Stone, we're totally open for access,

587
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,820
but we want our roads to be preserved and safety in the neighborhood. Maybe to follow up on

588
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:50,700
have you spoken to your city council representative in particular on this project this year not

589
00:48:50,700 --> 00:49:00,500
1,000 and 1,000 do project and the response you've got regarding you know potential work public

590
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:07,180
works is it we've also on that with public planning and public I mean in quite a public work so

591
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,760
Everybody knows where we're at with this.

592
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,160
So we've been very open.

593
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:14,460
We've talked to this young man right here.

594
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:15,740
And many people.

595
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:18,280
So yeah, we've been a real open in the developer, too.

596
00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:22,160
So yeah, we'd love to get this connect, you know,

597
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,740
worked out before it goes in further.

598
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,140
It certainly, and it seems like you have a fair concern.

599
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,080
And unfortunately, the road widths outside of this development

600
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,040
are outside of also the purview of this body, too.

601
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,640
But keep in some way, so I mean we can't.

602
00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:41,780
I'm pinched pointing to the plate, though.

603
00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:44,260
It's just that the road is half and half.

604
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,820
I mean it's half in this development and half in your development.

605
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:59,180
I mean, just so that ultimately saved roadway improvement is petitioned for and accepted assessments

606
00:49:59,180 --> 00:50:02,600
would likely crumble sides of the road for lots that are on both sides.

607
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:31,560
So, and what was found before, which we chose not to get into tonight to not give you guys a two hour review of what we've been through, but is the 2007 Stonewood development that was coming through, and the month of traffic that they added, the city has well documented the upgrades that would need to be made on our streets, so it's already there.

608
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,300
that has not changed. The Bambarwood Street has not changed. The one thing that's different

609
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:37,960
is the name of this development.

610
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:44,320
So I guess what I'm saying and what our comments have said

611
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:52,680
in our letter to Mr. Plankett, which is in your pocket, is that we would expect the same thing

612
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,100
that the city's out is found to apply here.

613
00:50:56,740 --> 00:51:00,200
And I appreciate you sharing that historical information with some of us.

614
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:01,080
Okay, yeah.

615
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,420
You don't mind taking back, actually.

616
00:51:02,740 --> 00:51:02,820
Yeah.

617
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:04,220
I'm not in question.

618
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,140
And I'm sorry.

619
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:09,400
Could you remind me, I know you already said it.

620
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:11,240
Do you live on 15th or do you live on 30th?

621
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:12,320
I don't know.

622
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:12,820
20th.

623
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:14,580
Do you live further back into the road?

624
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:24,100
The reason I ask is because I'd be curious to hear either you or someone who lives on 15th.

625
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,920
These road issues are definitely very, very real and they've existed for a while.

626
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:35,660
But when we talk about widening roads, we all know that people don't obey signs, speed limit signs.

627
00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:45,620
You widen a road, people start driving faster and I'd be curious to hear if there'd be objections from within your neighborhood of people who have to watch the cars go whizzing by their front doors if that road does get widened.

628
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:50,060
We've met several times as an neighborhood and we are all, you know, I did on what we're asking.

629
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:53,040
We've been, again, we've had these meetings since 2002.

630
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,160
And we've talked about it again. We know what is entailed. We know what widening entails.

631
00:51:58,380 --> 00:52:02,020
It means taking out some people's mailboxes. It means moving some trees.

632
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,800
It means moving power lines. We know what it means.

633
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:11,580
But it's a very well-traveled traffic-wise and pedestrian-wise neighborhood.

634
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:12,900
It's a rural neighborhood.

635
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,500
And there's always people walking dogs, walking, running bikes.

636
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:21,180
So all we ask, I guess, is that, I don't guess.

637
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:31,240
All we ask is that our neighborhood is not left, last safe, then it is not because of another

638
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:39,020
development going in. My main point was just saying that as a grace tone we're that we don't want

639
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:44,900
to be at odds and we're fine with the connection but we want to make sure safety is considered.

640
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:52,740
So I'll just add I'm kind of continuing on this Mr. Walters said it looks like and any staff other can correct me if I'm wrong

641
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:56,080
But any roads really outside of this development

642
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,140
And things that said just a little bit outside of a purview have or it does appear that if this development were

643
00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:05,740
Approved tonight that that would trigger some

644
00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:14,460
Studies on different roads. I know in public words comments they would say that I

645
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:25,680
Can you read 147 I would assume that once again if this is approved that would trigger some review of surrounding roads to make sure everything is functioning properly

646
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:43,980
Is that I don't know what all your body has to consider for the offsite transportation issues, but it's all been studied really in detail before so I think you can go back and and see I guess my point is that the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented

647
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:48,980
because these same roads have been studied and have been proposed to have access to other

648
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:54,000
development in the past and they've been studied geometric speed assessments, traffic analysis,

649
00:53:55,060 --> 00:53:59,580
and the conclusions have been, our roads are subsandered and need widening.

650
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:01,360
At least.

651
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:06,160
Any other questions?

652
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Thank you.

653
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,480
Thank you.

654
00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:14,550
This is a public hearing.

655
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,340
What do you think?

656
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Hello, my name is Xigot.

657
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,160
I live 27.05 bar record.

658
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,020
It's just a little bit off the corner of 15 and 28.

659
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:28,880
Next to Katty.

660
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,040
And I use 15 a lot.

661
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,300
My 9 year old son and I do sprint laps around that track.

662
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:39,440
So we use it a lot in summer.

663
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:48,260
And so, the position safety is a concern, but I think I've been through a couple of those development.

664
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,180
Not as many as Kathy, but so I'm familiar with a little something that I want to mention,

665
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:01,440
is we're talking about developing the street and I heard the word assessment, and that's why I got up.

666
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:11,700
Because I don't want to be assessed, or I don't think anyone on 15 wants to be assessed, for something that does not improve their property value.

667
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,900
Remember, what is a little different than the, about in property, we're on, we're on

668
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:21,380
setting and well. So, so our value proposition to the potential buyers are a little

669
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:25,460
different. So, we're, we're saying, you know, you kind of, in a country side, you've got

670
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:30,880
property, you have, well, in water, but you have quiet streets. Now, we're talking about

671
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,260
adding traffic. It does not input a property value. So, we just don't want to be assessed

672
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:41,220
on any kind of real constructions. And I was looking into plan, and I heard you guys mention

673
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:48,340
that you can't be talking about anything else of the development. Well, 15 and 28 and vote

674
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:55,080
about the properties. So I think it's well-winner purview to consider the impact and the changes

675
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:03,040
to be made to those roadways. Is that fair assessment? Okay, thank you.

676
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,820
Okay, this is a public

677
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:14,520
hearing. Anyone wishing to speak to these topics? Please come forward.

678
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:17,550
One more question.

679
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:25,790
If you don't mind, I'd like to just address a couple of things to help move your conversation

680
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:26,470
along.

681
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:33,430
One is there was a question about whether urban or rural section streets are kind of by choice

682
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:38,690
within the city, the urban section street with public sidewalk on both sides of each side

683
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:45,390
of the right away is the standard design, not rural, rural is an exception, so consideration

684
00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:52,250
of role design in this location, and this geographies a unique exception, okay, and

685
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:54,670
grace on to the south was an exception to the standard.

686
00:56:56,010 --> 00:56:57,390
So I just want to put that on record.

687
00:56:57,630 --> 00:57:04,690
The other topic of discussion that came up was whether or not improvements off-site are

688
00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:11,950
really within the purview of consideration within GDP, and they are because we have to evaluate

689
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:18,610
adequacy of the public facilities to serve a development. Those facilities may be on or off site

690
00:57:18,610 --> 00:57:26,450
the development. So potential improvements needed to maybe widen the road or correct site

691
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:33,990
distances on property outside the development are with them for you. If you look at page 37 of your

692
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:41,550
packet, recommend a condition number 16, identifies that there are some inadequacies with the

693
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:48,470
an off-site public facilities that the prescribed solutions and the negotiated cost sharing

694
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:52,950
for that need to be worked out and that will have to happen before the final plot.

695
00:57:53,410 --> 00:57:57,190
But that is their acknowledging that those are some issues that so many of you resolve.

696
00:57:58,830 --> 00:57:59,530
That's all I have.

697
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:00,230
Thank you.

698
00:58:00,310 --> 00:58:00,950
Thank you.

699
00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:04,010
Thank you.

700
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:06,170
This is a public hearing.

701
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:09,310
Anyone wishing to speak to these topics please come forward.

702
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,220
Before I consider closing the public hearing commissioners,

703
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:19,260
do you wish to voice any good evening, name and attitude?

704
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:21,200
My name is Randall Goss.

705
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,660
I live at 3-1-1-5.

706
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,380
We're a more lane-south west in the grace of development.

707
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:36,160
Two items at the topic that I have for you to consider being it on the public safety issue.

708
00:58:36,160 --> 00:59:03,980
A concern in our houses with the only access, major access coming through graystone off of the 30th street and 18th Avenue, and with the might I'll put through the Beringwood, has the police and public police and fire public safety, will they be weighing in on this in case there is a drastic emergency in the neighborhood, where you're trying to get the emergency vehicles into the neighborhood.

709
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:12,160
I can tell you that we receive referral agency comments, and I'm looking at page 68 of our packet,

710
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:17,520
where it says, fire department February of 2016, there are no comments from this agency at this time.

711
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,400
So, they were, in my...

712
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:20,700
They held.

713
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:21,900
They held.

714
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:36,140
The consideration of access for emergency vehicles is already integrated into the standard requirements for

715
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:40,940
to have an access that would stop at the North property line for the continuation into the

716
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:46,880
pocket property. So that the area as a whole would meet those minimum access,

717
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:53,320
in circulation standards. So the area is not left with one single access to 18 back then.

718
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,600
I understand that we're talking about adding with the proof of construction companies.

719
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,000
Information about additional 320 vehicle transit through the neighborhoods,

720
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:29,180
and I'm wondering when Sherburn was put into place, since that time, 18th Avenue has been completed to connect with 40th, and the traffic north south on that has been drastic, and the exit out of the Great Stone Echo Ridge Baronwood communities is at the top of the hill.

721
01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:35,840
And traffic, as said by one of Council members, people don't abide by the speed limits.

722
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,900
You come up in their blind spots to where people are flying up over that hill.

723
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,720
And we're adding that many additional egresses and egresses into the community.

724
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:57,340
And with the addition since this Sherburn was in place, the opening of 40th Avenue to 18th,

725
01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:02,360
development self with target in that center and the access to that commercial

726
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:12,180
area. Adding these additional 320 potential traffic variations for the safety

727
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:16,380
of getting on and off 18th and through our neighborhood is that going to be

728
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:21,940
addressed because that is a big concern right now even as it is it's very

729
01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:27,760
getting very difficult with all the other developments that are going in and not a traffic that

730
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:36,780
has increased on 18th regardless. And I think having an additional egress into the new community

731
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:51,920
off of 18th would probably benefit everybody in the long run. I guess the comments from the

732
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:59,700
of 30 seconds or dangerous, because of sight lines, and so they have looked at that certainly

733
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:07,100
and excited from an endurance standpoint that there's no safe access to anything.

734
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:14,180
Okay, then are they going to consider a stop or something at the top of that hill to allow

735
01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:17,120
safe ingress in Agra, egress into our place?

736
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:26,000
I mean, I mean, since I've moved into the community over 10 years ago, 16th Avenue, and

737
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:31,960
Mayowwood has been talked about getting a traffic light put in, and that's been kicked around

738
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,740
for a decade now.

739
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:37,040
And now we're, you know, the traffic's increased there.

740
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,040
It's very difficult.

741
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:42,080
I'm going to say if there you put in that elderly community, not to digress.

742
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,060
But since that time, you've opened the 18th all the way down to 40th, the communities in

743
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:52,400
that area have drastic, I don't know if anybody have it's driven there, the council

744
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,960
has driven up and down 18th in the last six, seven months or so.

745
01:02:57,380 --> 01:03:04,080
But it is pretty much very high flow traffic on that street, and then you're adding these

746
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:11,620
this number of many of homes and you're getting to the point where traffic on 18th is getting

747
01:03:11,620 --> 01:03:18,420
pretty fluid and you know the safety of getting in and out of our own community with the

748
01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:22,940
addition of the new community is certain be a big concern.

749
01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:31,350
Thank you. This is a public hearing.

750
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:45,440
very quickly Santi Vega 310 along the same lines of discussion that has been flowing for the last one year.

751
01:03:45,980 --> 01:03:52,860
Some of us have been talking about this problem of getting in and out which is becoming very troubled some dangerous.

752
01:03:54,020 --> 01:04:03,240
Of course, we haven't done anything besides talking we have been talking about going to the city and you know talking to the traffic people to stop like it, taste that and all that.

753
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:09,360
So that's much before even we got to know about this, so I just wanted to say it has been a real problem.

754
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:37,720
Thank you, Jeff Griffin with GQB to represent an applicant one more time. I just wanted to bring your attention similar to what Missy did.

755
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:43,980
condition number 16 on page 37, which we've agreed to, which acknowledges that there's some

756
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:48,040
substandard problems and that we're going to be working with public works to address those.

757
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,940
I think it's important that you know that that conditions already present and we have agreed to

758
01:04:52,940 --> 01:04:58,280
it. The other thing is I want to remind you one more time that add in the second access

759
01:04:59,540 --> 01:05:04,300
gives another option both for emergency vehicles and to alleviate that pressure that these folks

760
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:06,580
we're talking about on a grace note. Thank you.

761
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:13,940
Before you step down, I wanted to ask about, it's a little bit addressed in your email.

762
01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:20,520
So, when we consider a special district, we can only grant it if we find substantial public interest

763
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:27,180
in protecting either the existing physical character or unique geological, ecological characteristics.

764
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,840
And I appreciate this email that came in today that spells it out a little bit more what your position is on that.

765
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:44,140
But how do you respond to the criticism that when you look in the Southwest Rochester, South, you know, that whole area is a whole.

766
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:49,200
There's a lot of these really beautiful, pristine pieces of land that have to core at edge that have old forest.

767
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:56,780
Why should we find that this piece of land is special for a special district, as opposed to just it could,

768
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:58,100
passes in R1.

769
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:02,760
Well, this is a, it's kind of the last piece out there.

770
01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:04,940
I mean, if you look at it, it's a donut hole out there.

771
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:11,680
Everything else is developed around it, and in this particular case, I mean, we have, it's

772
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:16,400
not like a small portion of this property that we have this decorous shell.

773
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:22,400
I mean, this, this property, it's run on the west side, on the north side, and a large

774
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:29,140
portion of that bottom area is all there and we just felt it's important with our layout

775
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:34,280
and put in special district language that we're going to work to do everything in our

776
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,240
power to avoid it. I mean there's different ways to skin the cat that would have been cheaper.

777
01:06:39,460 --> 01:06:44,700
You know we could have didn't like Lindsay talked about sewer. There's other options but we're

778
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:49,080
going to put a pump and we're going to send it all back up hills so we don't have to go in and

779
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,460
to drop that. And we just thought it was important that I had that language.

780
01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:01,100
Thank you.

781
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:40,010
the condition, noted regarding offset transportation improvements will be

782
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:46,950
just through development agreement and the improvements of the 15th Avenue will be made in that

783
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:52,810
during that phase. The connectivity is addressed through the two entrances and

784
01:07:52,810 --> 01:07:54,910
splitting up traffic as best can be.

785
01:08:00,430 --> 01:08:07,270
I would agree as well as I think two entrances are crucial based on how the surrounding

786
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:14,750
properties are set up. It's very important that the graystone area only has one entrance

787
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:18,700
into it. It doesn't seem to follow our comprehensive plan, so I think it's critical that

788
01:08:19,390 --> 01:08:25,330
this development has the two entrances. I'm typically a little dubious of special districts,

789
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:33,130
but I think this one, because of the social characteristics, which is, which is, I believe one

790
01:08:33,130 --> 01:08:39,630
task findings, this idea of keeping large lots that's fit in with the other developments

791
01:08:40,170 --> 01:08:45,010
and I think that limiting to 34 lots would also be reassuring to this rounding area, is

792
01:08:45,010 --> 01:08:51,530
that you're not going to see any higher traffic volume on these roads than what do you see

793
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:52,270
before you today?

794
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:55,490
I'd like to agree with that.

795
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:57,810
I think the special district zoning is most appropriate.

796
01:08:57,810 --> 01:09:04,430
Yeah, I agree. So I am personally in favor of this, the all aspects of this proposal.

797
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:08,890
I agree the only difference I would have is I think it's the ecological or geological characteristics

798
01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:13,810
that's justified. This is more than the social characteristics, but thank you.

799
01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:15,110
Sure. Thank you.

800
01:09:16,570 --> 01:09:21,550
You know, a great stone, it looks like down towards the east end, that thatiest road southwest

801
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:26,250
is a dead end that would have a potential to connect. Some day down to the front and

802
01:09:26,250 --> 01:09:29,030
And the road, I suppose, is that where do we even off the road?

803
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:29,270
Right.

804
01:09:29,370 --> 01:09:30,290
Forward in the center.

805
01:09:30,790 --> 01:09:33,070
That is a road to down towards east,

806
01:09:33,270 --> 01:09:35,890
really end of the grace and development of wick lowland.

807
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:37,470
It would be taken down toward valley wood.

808
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:39,470
It's not like there is a potential plan.

809
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:40,170
I mean nice.

810
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:43,170
Right, there's no ball of built out of the end of that.

811
01:09:43,390 --> 01:09:44,790
You can see that if you've seen here.

812
01:09:44,910 --> 01:09:46,610
Somebody there may be a second maybe.

813
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:47,770
Great, don't I guess.

814
01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:52,330
There's just a surprising amount of properties there now for one access point.

815
01:09:52,330 --> 01:10:19,070
So I agree with the previous comments, and I want to say I think this was a very good and respectful discussion on the part of everyone who was here, and I definitely appreciate and agree with Commissioner Meek when she talks about how it says it's as connected as it can be in the cul-de-sax or put in there only because they have to dead and keep going. We can talk about that, but they can't. It's just not topographically possible.

816
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:28,280
I will make a motion to recommend approval of the special district with our one underlying zoning

817
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:50,020
district concept with two modifications proposed by staff as well as I'll also thank

818
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:52,020
Yesterday February 23rd.

819
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:53,320
No second.

820
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,960
Commissioner Meek has made a motion.

821
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,920
Commissioner Sims has seconded.

822
01:10:58,340 --> 01:11:02,120
I would note that the applicant did say they were also

823
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,600
an animal to two extra conditions.

824
01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:06,020
One of which would say,

825
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,780
avoid taking a construction traffic through the east on the road that's too small for it.

826
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:12,020
And another one,

827
01:11:13,660 --> 01:11:18,780
saying something to the effect that the six-foot pedestrian walkway

828
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:21,800
will be adequately marked to the note that it is for pedestrians.

829
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:27,700
I'm just not sure that fits under special district language, however, if it does,

830
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:34,400
I feel like I would just pass that along perhaps to the council as more of a, I just would

831
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,900
kind of, I'll just leave my motion as it is.

832
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:36,180
You're right.

833
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:37,400
That's better for others.

834
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:37,640
Yeah.

835
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:38,980
Okay.

836
01:11:39,340 --> 01:11:42,860
So commissioner, me, because made a motion commissioner seems to second live.

837
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:43,880
Is there any further discussion?

838
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:44,980
Excuse me, Chair.

839
01:11:44,980 --> 01:11:47,740
I'm just making a quick clarification, please.

840
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:55,880
So the motion was for, with staff findings, and then the staff recommended modifications

841
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:01,140
one and two, and then in addition to the proposed text from the applicant for February 23rd.

842
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,800
Okay, I just wanted to make sure, thank you.

843
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:07,950
I'm going to say, what was there any further discussion?

844
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:11,600
Hearing none.

845
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,640
All those in favor, please say aye.

846
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,260
All those in most please say no.

847
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,000
Motion carries unanimously.

848
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,180
We still have to address general development plan.

849
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:25,000
I think we'll be next on our plate.

850
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,860
And in the conditions I was about 30.

851
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:28,580
30.

852
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,220
And in the 30.

853
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:31,740
20.

854
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:36,120
We don't have any proposed modifications.

855
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:37,340
We don't have any proposed modifications.

856
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:38,480
No.

857
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:39,480
Wow.

858
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:41,040
That was the applicant I suggested.

859
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:42,500
Mission 9.

860
01:12:44,380 --> 01:12:46,300
The one that was where I made the applicant.

861
01:12:57,710 --> 01:13:08,780
So the reason why I added that there are two reasons, one, if you look at the GDP in the preliminary

862
01:13:08,780 --> 01:13:12,960
plat, they both call out 34 lots, but if you actually look at their counting, there's only 33.

863
01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:15,060
So it's going to be some type of discrepancy.

864
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,040
And that was the only place I could find where there was a discrepancy.

865
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,520
and we weren't sure if that line going through the middle

866
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,780
from east to west was a,

867
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,820
oh, I apologize, I apologize.

868
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,380
So what we're talking about,

869
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:29,580
we're talking about this right here.

870
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,600
And on the preliminary plat and on the GDP,

871
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,060
the O's only one number for both of these.

872
01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:40,080
And this line right here, that runs east to west.

873
01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:41,520
We're not really sure what that is.

874
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,680
That's not a section line.

875
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:47,820
So one reason for that condition is that

876
01:13:47,820 --> 01:13:54,740
more clarification. So such a 34 last, but we're only number 33. The other thing is, and this is

877
01:13:54,740 --> 01:14:01,220
John Hartford, who's kind of the wetland and that Accora Edge expert at our office. He pointed

878
01:14:01,220 --> 01:14:09,780
out to me that this green here, all of this is the Accora Edge feature. Therefore, he suggested,

879
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:15,440
and I don't think he suggested this with them definitively, but that it appears to be non-villable

880
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:18,180
because of that fact that it was all to encourage,

881
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,260
wasn't that therefore he recommended that I write a condition

882
01:14:21,260 --> 01:14:22,640
that that should be combined with one property.

883
01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:26,060
So I'm gonna assume, that was the one

884
01:14:26,060 --> 01:14:28,080
he mentioned as a possible outlier, wasn't it?

885
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,920
I believe that the one, the one you're pointing at

886
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,620
is the 33rd line, and then the one directly to the

887
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:37,000
South is the 34th line.

888
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,520
I don't believe that label was in that line.

889
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,440
So this is the 300-metered plight.

890
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:59,980
So number is right here on the plat I believe it's kind of, it's kind of hard to, yeah, I mean I'm looking at the GDP, there's a number on the far northernly lots, no number on the southern one directly south.

891
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,560
To have the existing property.

892
01:15:02,620 --> 01:15:07,180
But the reason I included the condition was that John Hartford had recommended it, and I think that

893
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:10,800
just if it was because the entire parcel is mostly to quorum each week.

894
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,900
But the applicant is suggesting that the decor and the union is not complete.

895
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:25,790
So, and I'll turn it for the commission to consider, would be to leave that sentence, but just simply add it to the end of that, or to label.

896
01:15:25,790 --> 01:15:32,950
The residual is an outlaw acknowledging that it's not intended for the building line.

897
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:57,880
We're going to make a motion to recommend approval of the gentlemen's development plan with the staff, conditions 1 through 24 with the added to number 9 indicating that the North's parcel should either be labeled as two separate lots with one being and a lot.

898
01:16:07,180 --> 01:16:08,080
Oh, that was interesting.

899
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:23,520
And I offer a friendly amendment to include two additional conditions, one, per the applicant,

900
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:34,120
stating no construction traffic, will be translating the site to the east, and a second

901
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:40,960
condition regarding the application of road striping,

902
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:47,420
delineating the walkway on the road on the adjacent streets

903
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:49,500
as agreed to by the applicant.

904
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:53,860
You know, I certainly don't argue with those ideas in the concept,

905
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:55,680
but I'm just not sure it's fitting with energy.

906
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,860
He's danger and will come from that would be taking care of in the development

907
01:16:58,860 --> 01:16:59,380
of your moves.

908
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,920
So I will withdraw that.

909
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:15,400
Commissioner Meak has made a motion. We have the Canadian. It has been seconded. There is a motion on the cable to approve the general development plan with these staffs

910
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:26,040
Conditions with a minor amendment to condition number nine any further discussion. We're dealing with the sidewalks in this. Here

911
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,280
The bro versus urban

912
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,740
Well, I think that was more interesting

913
01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:41,680
It looks like on one of the conditions 19,

914
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,220
we've got still of a GDP finally.

915
01:17:46,420 --> 01:17:48,260
Yeah, I don't know if the streets must start with a server site.

916
01:17:48,340 --> 01:17:55,120
But it sounds like they're hearing for the building of this rural section anyway, so this is just the guessing and thing to do,

917
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,360
select urban section for some of them, that would include a sign block.

918
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,140
And I believe that they were African was okay with that condition.

919
01:18:02,460 --> 01:18:03,700
Oh, I just wanted to make sure.

920
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:12,080
And just for the audience awareness development agreement does go through the city council group process.

921
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,780
Yes, it does take a consolation.

922
01:18:15,780 --> 01:18:17,400
So there's opportunity to provide input.

923
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:22,400
When I talk about this development agreement and things like traffic and the right thing,

924
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,820
there's other opportunities for those things to come up with different phases such as the development agreement,

925
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,940
which it comes forward back to the city council at a later time.

926
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:35,780
There is a motion on the table to approve the general development plan.

927
01:18:36,380 --> 01:18:37,020
Any further discussion?

928
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:42,100
Was it seconded?

929
01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:42,480
Sure.

930
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,060
And the second.

931
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,220
The motion is properly before us to approve the general development plan.

932
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:50,940
Any further discussion?

933
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:53,720
Hearing none.

934
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:55,940
All those in favour please say aye.

935
01:18:57,020 --> 01:18:58,620
All those opposed please say no.

936
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,560
The motion carries unanimously.

937
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:18,820
move approval of the Plumberaire plat with the same 24 conditions and the aforementioned

938
01:19:18,820 --> 01:19:21,260
modification of the condition number 9.

939
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,480
I believe there are findings that need

940
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:32,730
to be done at the age of 301.

941
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:35,370
That's

942
01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:43,700
kind of as a hand.

943
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:48,650
The findings are on page 36.

944
01:19:48,710 --> 01:19:53,390
Those are the findings that are not satisfied but are satisfied through the conditions.

945
01:19:53,390 --> 01:20:00,930
that are recommended. The criteria themselves are conditions for approval, which are behind

946
01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:06,950
our after the report in conditions. So Commissioner Goodberg has made a motion. Commissioner

947
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:13,330
Simis has seconded. There's a motion on the table to approve the preliminary

948
01:20:13,330 --> 01:20:15,970
plan with staff's conditions. Any discussion?

949
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:20,860
Hearing none. All those in favor, please say aye.

950
01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:25,240
Hi, I'm all those opposed, please say no, the motion carries unanimously.

951
01:20:28,530 --> 01:20:33,510
So, do we make a general

952
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:38,730
development plan?

953
01:20:41,150 --> 01:20:44,090
R00334GP and preliminary platform R26GP.

954
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:45,990
Guys, it's 0202 PLAZ.

955
01:20:46,210 --> 01:20:49,750
To be known as Stonebrook, third edition is by Stonebrook, a Rochester LLC.

956
01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:54,510
The general development plan designates a location of single-family detached dwelling lots,

957
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:57,250
town hall lots, public streets, and open space.

958
01:20:57,250 --> 01:21:03,510
The preliminary platform is to subdivide approximately 95 acres into 20 single family lots and 2 outlots.

959
01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:09,150
The property is located south of county-stated highway 9, also known as college U-rodees.

960
01:21:09,650 --> 01:21:13,170
East of Sunnydale Lane, southeast, and adjacent to Stonebrook's second division.

961
01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:20,410
The applicant is also requesting a substantial land alteration permit to allow for grading more than 10 feet of cut and fill on the property.

962
01:21:20,410 --> 01:21:25,190
The property is located south of County State Aid Highway 9, also known as College View Road.

963
01:21:25,490 --> 01:21:28,730
East of Sanidel Lake, and adjacent to Stonebrook's second division.

964
01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:37,650
Okay, so yep, the applicant is Stonebrook for our Chester, and the consultant is GQed.

965
01:21:38,290 --> 01:21:46,150
And everything you said about the property, the located south of State Aid Highway 9, east of

966
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:49,310
Sanidel Lane, and adjacent to Stonebrook's second subdivision.

967
01:21:50,690 --> 01:21:55,170
The property is on a mixture of R1 and R2.

968
01:21:55,890 --> 01:21:59,190
It is right at the edge of the city limits,

969
01:21:59,950 --> 01:22:04,110
and so it is also adjacent to agricultural zoning district

970
01:22:04,110 --> 01:22:05,290
to the cell.

971
01:22:05,470 --> 01:22:12,470
There is some M1, and then to the cell's west is MRD,

972
01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:17,930
which is a mixed redevelopment designation

973
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:22,590
for public services and schools.

974
01:22:24,610 --> 01:22:27,230
This is the GDP that they are proposing.

975
01:22:28,030 --> 01:22:33,710
It was originally approved in 2002 and amended in 2005.

976
01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:37,650
It has not been enacted on in the last two years.

977
01:22:38,490 --> 01:22:43,670
And so in order for them to go forward with their preliminary plan, they needed to reaffirm

978
01:22:43,670 --> 01:22:44,430
the GDP.

979
01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:50,590
There's a mixture of single-family dwellings and town homes.

980
01:22:51,850 --> 01:22:53,910
There's a proposed park area.

981
01:22:54,290 --> 01:22:58,430
There is trails throughout the proposed GDP.

982
01:22:59,310 --> 01:23:00,350
There's some wetlands.

983
01:23:00,490 --> 01:23:03,370
Primarily to the west side.

984
01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:05,270
Sorry.

985
01:23:05,490 --> 01:23:06,190
North East Southwest.

986
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:06,950
I have to go.

987
01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:08,370
I have some mine.

988
01:23:10,150 --> 01:23:12,070
This is the preliminary plat.

989
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:18,750
So as you can see right now, the majority of the property of the property is an outlot bead.

990
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:26,470
The reason that they wanted to plat the whole thing is because of the complicated legal descriptions throughout the parcels

991
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:34,330
and allowing it to be an outlot but just simplify those legal descriptions and they wouldn't develop it until later.

992
01:23:34,330 --> 01:23:45,870
The main focus for the preliminary plat is along Sunnydale to complete the lots out to Connie Road 9.

993
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,700
This is just the rest of that out lobby.

994
01:23:53,580 --> 01:23:58,500
And this is just a rendition showing the proposed preliminary plat over the aerial photo.

995
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,480
This is the showing the substantial land alteration.

996
01:24:05,060 --> 01:24:16,580
They would be removing 10 plus feet of fill in the store that only portion and fill in up to 10 or more feet across these few locks to even amount.

997
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:22,950
As I said, the GDP was originally proved in 2002.

998
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:25,710
All proposed roadways would be local.

999
01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:31,450
The proposed rows contain sidewalks, and the proposed GDP shows mid-block connections.

1000
01:24:32,210 --> 01:24:34,530
And there are wetlands and the property.

1001
01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:39,710
Primarily, excuse me, that should say E-side and updated wetlands,

1002
01:24:39,730 --> 01:24:41,210
the lineations would be required.

1003
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:45,570
Your action is required.

1004
01:24:45,930 --> 01:24:49,190
We must make a motion to recommend approval or denial of the request.

1005
01:24:49,450 --> 01:24:53,650
Three separate motions should be made, starting with the general development plan,

1006
01:24:53,650 --> 01:24:58,470
then the preliminary plot and the substantial land alteration. Staff recommended

1007
01:24:58,470 --> 01:25:04,370
bindings and conditions can be found in your staff report. We did recommend approval

1008
01:25:04,370 --> 01:25:10,510
of all three requests. There was five conditions tied to the general development plan seven

1009
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:16,770
conditions with the preliminary plot and no additional conditions with the substantial land alteration.

1010
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:19,390
Are there any questions?

1011
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:29,180
All right.

1012
01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:32,060
So with that, we will open the public hearing.

1013
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:33,780
This is a public hearing.

1014
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:36,120
Traditionally an African representative speaks first.

1015
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:37,560
Name an address please.

1016
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:38,020
Thank you.

1017
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:40,120
Mark Welch, GQ Engineering, 1407.

1018
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:42,420
Highway 52 Southeast, Chapfield, Minnesota.

1019
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:43,940
Representative developer.

1020
01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:46,940
Yes, this project's been out there for quite a while.

1021
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,040
And finally get to get back to working on it.

1022
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:58,000
The night there are corny lots that are shown along the sunny deal actually had services put in that street was reconstructed back in like 2002

1023
01:25:58,820 --> 01:26:02,460
In the services were put in so this is a pretty straight forward project

1024
01:26:03,340 --> 01:26:04,300
Since then

1025
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:12,740
The county is now looking at redo in that road so we're actually only getting on up with 19 lots not 20 lots because we're gonna lose one up at the intersection of college view drive

1026
01:26:12,740 --> 01:26:16,660
And we will continue working with Elm said county public works to

1027
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:22,480
We're going through the details because there was some assessments that were previously paid for the services that were brought in.

1028
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:23,980
What's shown on that one up there?

1029
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:29,720
So, essentially the conditions, other than noting that we'll be working with Amsterdam City County in public works.

1030
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:35,020
We're able to reable to the five conditions in GDP, seven conditions of an employment plat,

1031
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:44,160
and they substantial end alteration on the southerly side that one is because of the topso stockpile that was left there from prior development.

1032
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:50,640
And because of the development up on the north side, it was never graded anywhere along that stretch of sunny delo at Lane.

1033
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:56,420
We now have to grade that and there's going to need to be filled to bring it up to a buildable lot.

1034
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,780
So, really here to answer any other questions you have.

1035
01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:01,820
No objections to the conditions.

1036
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,500
The 40th is on far east side and going south.

1037
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:18,760
That would be a future phase.

1038
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:24,640
Sometime in the future of development, not this phase.

1039
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:32,980
Well, there's no actually, so I'll let B have the remaining 80 sum acres.

1040
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:41,980
The reason we're going to plant a lot B as one large outlot is because it's torn property and is a night mirror legal description.

1041
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:48,380
And so next time we come in with a subdivision, we'll be subdivising outlot B into X number of lots.

1042
01:27:49,540 --> 01:27:53,640
and kind of start whittling that a lot me down as we do each phase.

1043
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:59,450
So at a later date 40

1044
01:27:59,450 --> 01:28:02,790
is on the very far south kind of south

1045
01:28:07,940 --> 01:28:09,960
that will be dealt with at a later date.

1046
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,380
The one is always welcome to make multiple trips to the podium that's necessary. This is a public hearing.

1047
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,380
Anyone wishing to speak to this topic? Please come forward.

1048
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:42,020
My name is Larry Kerr and I live at 3-6-2 Brookstone Rives Southeast and some of the areas that we're talking about.

1049
01:28:42,140 --> 01:28:46,920
I have no objection to because it's been in place for a long time.

1050
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,900
I've got the original plan here.

1051
01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:57,540
My question and concern is about the drainage area that is in the older one because of flooding.

1052
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:04,320
I've lived out there six years now, and two years out of that, this whole area has been flooded.

1053
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:12,200
So whatever they do above us, around us, I want to make sure it's noted now that we have

1054
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,100
rejection to something in a later.

1055
01:29:14,460 --> 01:29:19,580
Reason is, I was chairman of Plains Only in our Norko for 10 years, so I understand if you don't

1056
01:29:19,580 --> 01:29:22,940
know it, do it now, or do it earlier, it comes back to Hotsham.

1057
01:29:23,780 --> 01:29:28,880
So otherwise, I have no objection, because as long as we keep this wet area back down through

1058
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,020
a year and get the park.

1059
01:29:32,020 --> 01:29:37,080
And if they do have trucks and so on, that they not come through our area but go out

1060
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,520
on the count of nine,

1061
01:29:41,380 --> 01:29:44,900
is it just sunny bail or through the road they have already in their

1062
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:45,720
proud previously?

1063
01:29:50,900 --> 01:29:51,700
I'm on Brookstone.

1064
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,260
Oh, the first house in the corner of the Brookstone.

1065
01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:59,420
The other thing is...

1066
01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:01,870
I'm going to get my thoughts back here.

1067
01:30:04,110 --> 01:30:31,820
Is that they'd like to say to go out to either through the gravel road, they've provided some data. I miss the meeting, I'm kind of denying. So I don't know what the improvements are going to be at college or road. He said there's going to be some red doing of that corner, the college or roads on. And then I don't know about the road comes through there on books, tone, drive. When it comes back up through the top, they're going to

1068
01:30:31,820 --> 01:30:36,540
some revamping of that. That's something we should be looked at down the road. How's the

1069
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:39,880
copper number of years? And I know sometimes in your nearest normal collect. Same with the

1070
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:44,680
copdes. Because we don't pick up the pieces. So that's my concerns.

1071
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:48,490
Any questions from you all?

1072
01:30:52,740 --> 01:31:00,940
Thank you. Thank you. As I said, something else. This is a public hearing. Anyone wishing to

1073
01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:02,940
speak to this topic? Please come forward.

1074
01:31:09,210 --> 01:31:10,690
It's like this will be a quick one. Mark Wellz,

1075
01:31:10,690 --> 01:31:16,410
GQD engineering again to address his concerns traffic for construction will actually be

1076
01:31:16,410 --> 01:31:21,010
it's on a gradient plan that has to come off of the gravel entrance which is further

1077
01:31:21,010 --> 01:31:28,350
to the east off kind of road 9 and so there won't be traffic running through the streets

1078
01:31:28,350 --> 01:31:35,150
so Brooks known that he mentioned so he can kind of see it there it's the right along

1079
01:31:35,150 --> 01:31:38,790
that stretch there that equipment will be coming in there plus there's very little equipment

1080
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:43,370
going to be coming in for the grading, a couple of excavators, and there's really nothing else

1081
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:44,070
that has to be held in.

1082
01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:48,430
It'll be more when they're coming in to build houses, but, and then the hydrology lady, if

1083
01:31:48,430 --> 01:31:51,910
I can get five minutes your time, after this meeting, I just want to make sure that there's

1084
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:52,610
an a problem out there.

1085
01:31:52,770 --> 01:31:53,590
We're not aware of so.

1086
01:31:54,850 --> 01:31:55,130
Excellent.

1087
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:56,190
Any questions?

1088
01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:58,310
Thanks.

1089
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:58,770
Thank you.

1090
01:31:59,630 --> 01:32:00,590
This is a public hearing.

1091
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:03,920
Good evening.

1092
01:32:05,220 --> 01:32:06,200
Name an address, please.

1093
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,380
I don't know, but at least I'm 14,

1094
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:13,380
sheffield lanes of east, and I didn't get to know it's about your means.

1095
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:16,960
But anyway, does happen.

1096
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:18,820
A couple of questions.

1097
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,880
Number one, they're supposed to be walking past,

1098
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,440
put in, and I don't see that up there.

1099
01:32:23,620 --> 01:32:25,360
Can you point that out to me?

1100
01:32:28,180 --> 01:32:29,660
Right, I have to go to the gym.

1101
01:32:29,900 --> 01:32:31,640
You have one person at the podium at a time,

1102
01:32:31,700 --> 01:32:33,540
perhaps you're asking to help you to leave us.

1103
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:38,640
In the GDP, it shows proposed walking path.

1104
01:32:38,820 --> 01:32:41,320
It's in the portion that's not developed yet.

1105
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,300
It's just getting a little line, you know, roping around.

1106
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,200
It's this new development family.

1107
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:54,320
The proposed, the proposed finished lots are this line right here.

1108
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:54,960
It's right here.

1109
01:32:56,240 --> 01:33:00,960
Okay, so that should be connected up there.

1110
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,980
Yeah, this road, Sunnydale Lane, exists all the way up to county nine.

1111
01:33:04,980 --> 01:33:07,460
I mean, I was talking about the walking path.

1112
01:33:10,430 --> 01:33:13,170
Do those mid-block connections just above where the mouse is now,

1113
01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:14,830
or those part of the walking, or are those?

1114
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:17,870
Well, that's what I was asking, because it was,

1115
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:19,430
it was supposed to be connected up so that people

1116
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:21,730
from there all the way down to the bottom,

1117
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:23,810
where it was swamped, basically.

1118
01:33:25,790 --> 01:33:26,390
That was like,

1119
01:33:29,010 --> 01:33:30,250
on the original planet,

1120
01:33:30,970 --> 01:33:33,030
it was a matter of fact, you look back in a minute to the meeting.

1121
01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:35,150
That was definitely included.

1122
01:33:35,950 --> 01:33:36,490
It's not a board.

1123
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:39,250
But I don't believe it's set up on the board.

1124
01:33:39,250 --> 01:33:40,030
It's included.

1125
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:40,930
It's a time limit.

1126
01:33:41,410 --> 01:33:41,650
Yeah.

1127
01:33:42,030 --> 01:33:44,070
There's a right in here.

1128
01:33:44,490 --> 01:33:47,370
There's an outlet for that interconnectionness.

1129
01:33:48,610 --> 01:33:50,070
So it is included in the plan.

1130
01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:51,110
Right?

1131
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:52,730
I'd make sure that.

1132
01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:54,970
One other thing, I think it was mentioned very well in this regard.

1133
01:33:56,010 --> 01:34:00,970
That is the entryway for construction vehicles to that area.

1134
01:34:01,510 --> 01:34:06,010
Right now that road is a complete disaster and the trucks don't come up there,

1135
01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:07,790
they come up my street.

1136
01:34:07,790 --> 01:34:14,150
On the black top road, which is getting pounded, that's got to be changed somehow.

1137
01:34:14,930 --> 01:34:17,950
And number nine, I think they're going to do a lot of revamping on that, and I don't know

1138
01:34:17,950 --> 01:34:18,730
when that's going to occur.

1139
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:19,930
Anybody know?

1140
01:34:21,940 --> 01:34:24,020
They're supposed to cut down it over the hill.

1141
01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:26,980
But I'm sure that will affect it.

1142
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:35,320
But that road definitely's got to be upgraded, and then somehow direct the construction traffic

1143
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:36,420
They're coming up.

1144
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,320
Not up our public streets and pulling them in the pieces.

1145
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:41,820
I mean, we're playing enough taxes already.

1146
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,580
You don't need a roof, surface of streets right away.

1147
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:46,480
And that's the only two points I have to make.

1148
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:47,560
Thank you.

1149
01:34:47,620 --> 01:34:48,860
Thank you.

1150
01:34:49,940 --> 01:34:51,300
This is a public hearing.

1151
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:53,300
Anyone wishing to speak to these topics?

1152
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:54,240
Please come forward.

1153
01:34:59,660 --> 01:35:05,200
I'm Jim Bock, and I live 242 Brookstone Drive for Southeast, right next to the

1154
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,320
gravel road, the excess road.

1155
01:35:09,860 --> 01:35:18,720
And the problem I'm having is a gravel road they do not plow it, so you can't use it.

1156
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:24,520
Maybe six months out of the year, went slowly and then they plow kind of road dying.

1157
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:31,480
And they block the other ends so you can't get on or off the kind of road dying to the gravel road.

1158
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:36,640
So the construction equipment cannot even use that road in the winter time.

1159
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:41,900
So somebody's going to have to start maintaining it and plowing it.

1160
01:35:42,420 --> 01:35:44,200
Because like you said, the road is a disaster.

1161
01:35:44,540 --> 01:35:46,840
They haven't done anything with it.

1162
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,620
And when it rains out, the mud runs down off the hill and down the street.

1163
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,120
And it is a concern.

1164
01:36:00,930 --> 01:36:02,130
This is a public hearing.

1165
01:36:02,610 --> 01:36:04,090
Anyone wishing to speak to these topics?

1166
01:36:04,110 --> 01:36:04,990
Please come forward.

1167
01:36:06,910 --> 01:36:13,370
The commissioners wish to voice any thoughts or issues that might be helpful for the public to speak to,

1168
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:25,180
public hearing going once, public hearing going twice, and the public hearing is now closed.

1169
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:26,580
Commissioners, any discussion?

1170
01:36:26,580 --> 01:36:27,400
And

1171
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:46,990
we'll make a motion to recommend a table on the gentleman's development plan for some of their initiatives.

1172
01:36:48,590 --> 01:36:51,750
Mr. Eek is made a motion.

1173
01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:57,110
Mr. Wilson has seconded. There's a motion in the second down the table. Any discussion?

1174
01:37:02,430 --> 01:37:10,910
No discussion. Hearing none then, all those in favor, please say aye. All those opposed, please say no.

1175
01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:13,230
The motion carries unanimously.

1176
01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:17,490
believe we must still address the plats.

1177
01:37:22,420 --> 01:37:27,880
The approval of the plenary plats with the seven

1178
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,940
conditions outlined by staff. Mr. Goodberg's made a motion. Mr. Meek has seconded.

1179
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:40,080
Sir, any further discussion commissioners? Just a clarification. So with the approval

1180
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,500
of these conditions any kind of flooding concern would be addressed.

1181
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,620
The applicants going to

1182
01:37:48,620 --> 01:37:52,780
to have show that they're going to be able to handle any of the water on sites.

1183
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:58,460
And I'll have to get reviewed by the appropriate city office to make sure.

1184
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:07,930
There's a motion on the table to approve the preliminary class.

1185
01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:09,210
Any further discussion?

1186
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:14,950
Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

1187
01:38:15,730 --> 01:38:17,490
I was opposed, please say no.

1188
01:38:18,130 --> 01:38:19,610
The motion carries unanimously.

1189
01:38:20,590 --> 01:38:24,230
We need to address the alterate of the land alteration permit.

1190
01:38:35,230 --> 01:38:35,810
It

1191
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:41,820
is just that one location that you outlined.

1192
01:38:56,620 --> 01:38:58,320
Commissioner Meek has made a motion.

1193
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,480
Commissioner See what was seconded.

1194
01:39:00,740 --> 01:39:01,560
Any further discussion?

1195
01:39:04,450 --> 01:39:05,110
Hearing none.

1196
01:39:05,790 --> 01:39:07,570
All those in favor, please say aye.

1197
01:39:08,630 --> 01:39:10,270
All those opposed, please say no.

1198
01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:12,310
The motion carries unanimously.

1199
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:24,070
Yeah, let's do that, we'll take five minutes right now.

1200
01:39:58,270 --> 01:40:23,690
You know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about.

1201
01:40:56,410 --> 01:41:05,970
I don't know if you can just cover this, but I don't know if you can just cover this, but I don't know if you can just cover this.

1202
01:42:46,690 --> 01:42:49,750
So let's reconvene here from our recess.

1203
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:57,830
I will begin by saying, while we were out, for the record, a email written by Brian Law,

1204
01:42:58,930 --> 01:43:03,910
concerning transit planning and transit services at the Canotia Drive and Valley High Road

1205
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:05,690
site that we're going to be discussing later.

1206
01:43:05,970 --> 01:43:06,650
That was distributed.

1207
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:10,010
Can I get confirmation from the commission that everybody got and received that memo?

1208
01:43:10,830 --> 01:43:10,910
Yep.

1209
01:43:11,410 --> 01:43:11,890
All right.

1210
01:43:11,930 --> 01:43:13,950
So everybody's responded in the affirmative to that.

1211
01:43:14,190 --> 01:43:15,910
So with that, let's call the next hearing.

1212
01:43:16,850 --> 01:43:34,110
Land use plan R-2016-001 LUPA zoning district amendments R-2016-001 ZC and Type III Phase II General Development Plan R-00333GDP by Joseph Development to be known as Valley Hype.

1213
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:41,770
The applicant is proposed to change the land to use designation on approximately 2.6 acres from low density residential to medium density residential.

1214
01:43:41,770 --> 01:43:50,650
The applicants has proposed demanding the zoning district on the property from the R2 low density residential to the R3 medium density residential.

1215
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:56,250
The proposal includes 2.6 acres to be developed for one multi-family residential lot.

1216
01:43:56,370 --> 01:44:09,350
The property is located at the northwest corner of Valley High Road, Northwest and Kenosha Drive, Northwest and this item covers F1 Agenda items F6 F7 and F8 because they all describe the same land.

1217
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:09,990
staff.

1218
01:44:10,570 --> 01:44:10,910
Thank you.

1219
01:44:11,050 --> 01:44:14,870
First of all, I'll just restake with the chair, I'll restate it.

1220
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:20,650
I believe that the transit comments somehow do not get included in the report.

1221
01:44:21,690 --> 01:44:25,630
Therefore, I printed them off and distributed one copy to each of you.

1222
01:44:25,710 --> 01:44:26,870
It is from Brian Law.

1223
01:44:27,490 --> 01:44:31,670
They are comments related to available transit with the development.

1224
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:37,430
If anyone in the audience or anyone wants to review this, this is available at the planning

1225
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:44,490
department. I guess I will ask is anyone here in the audience for this development that's

1226
01:44:44,490 --> 01:44:48,930
not related to the development team, are there any neighbors here? Okay, I'll just have the

1227
01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:52,050
record reflect that there's no one here. I would ask the commission, do you want me to

1228
01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:56,510
proceed with my presentation? Real quick, can we make sure the door isn't locked, sometimes you

1229
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:58,050
can't open it if it's closed.

1230
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:29,580
We can maybe ask you to do it in a little bit if we find it's necessary after hearing after opening the public hearing.

1231
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,920
So, with that, let's go ahead and...

1232
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:35,400
Okay, it's on some questions.

1233
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:37,040
All right.

1234
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:39,620
Yes, let's go ahead and let's do that first.

1235
01:45:39,780 --> 01:45:43,560
There's similar requests for the properties that, you know,

1236
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,360
so the properties are three.

1237
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:48,680
So the property...

1238
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,260
So the property...

1239
01:45:50,260 --> 01:45:51,860
The property to the east...

1240
01:45:51,860 --> 01:45:52,520
I don't know exactly.

1241
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:53,580
It was very recent.

1242
01:45:53,700 --> 01:45:55,560
I mean, I'm thinking within the last six months, maybe.

1243
01:45:56,260 --> 01:45:59,020
It was the same applicant, I believe, as a Joe Biden project as well.

1244
01:45:59,020 --> 01:46:03,340
The only difference is that this proposal, eventually, they say they're going to do some of

1245
01:46:03,340 --> 01:46:07,480
a multi-family development. Of course, that goes through a type one, staff approved site development

1246
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:13,440
plan. One of the east is going to be some type of senior citizen or a congregate style housing.

1247
01:46:13,780 --> 01:46:17,660
But they both went through, they both had to go to the medium density, manages plan amendment,

1248
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:28,980
they both had to be rezoned to R3, and there was both the GDP that's triggered as a result of

1249
01:46:31,480 --> 01:46:31,500
those

1250
01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:33,020
are we open the public hearing?

1251
01:46:35,140 --> 01:46:38,060
Hearing none, the public hearing is now open. Anyone wishing

1252
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:41,380
to speak to this topic may come forward, traditionally an applicant's representative

1253
01:46:41,380 --> 01:46:43,720
comes forward first.

1254
01:46:45,380 --> 01:46:50,540
Good evening, Chris Soka, a 21 Douglas Avenue Minneapolis. Here on behalf of Joe's

1255
01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:59,700
development, I guess it's a pretty straightforward request. Like Carl said, I'm super

1256
01:46:59,700 --> 01:47:09,280
I've said it's very similar to the request across the street, so at this time, I'd just be happy to answer any questions you guys have specific to the project.

1257
01:47:17,230 --> 01:47:31,470
Yes, and I will tell you we actually sent out the requirement is 50 letters and we sent out 90 because we included the same neighborhood attendees.

1258
01:47:31,470 --> 01:47:38,190
or we included the neighbors that were distributed for the east parcel to ensure that they were

1259
01:47:38,190 --> 01:47:50,960
also notified it is seen your house and yep it actually goes to the owner of the building

1260
01:48:01,730 --> 01:48:13,270
I think I'm speculating, but I think that a general who wrote the report for this did get a call from someone in that building that was a tenant, but I don't know that for sure.

1261
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:18,130
But you are correct, I wish you remember, week that the individual tenants or the individual

1262
01:48:18,130 --> 01:48:21,650
people who live in the units there, do not actually receive a notice that just goes to the

1263
01:48:21,650 --> 01:48:29,270
property. No, we could put sign up. I visited the site, the signs were up. They were for sure

1264
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:37,530
up, I visited the site. And we have kept them pretty good contact with ASI, they're the group

1265
01:48:37,530 --> 01:48:39,590
that runs that property,

1266
01:48:42,410 --> 01:48:45,130
yeah, we figured between the sign and the notices that was adequate.

1267
01:48:50,350 --> 01:48:52,710
Mr. President, do you have any other questions for Mr. Stolen?

1268
01:48:54,980 --> 01:48:57,880
I assume you're in agreement with the 12 conditions on the GDP?

1269
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:00,100
Yes, those were pretty straightforward.

1270
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,380
Okay, thank you for your time.

1271
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:07,500
This is a public hearing.

1272
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:11,000
Anyone who shouldn't speak to these topics, please come forward

1273
01:49:16,210 --> 01:49:17,930
and announce any other concerns.

1274
01:49:17,930 --> 01:49:28,930
So public hearing, going once, public hearing, going twice, and the public hearing is now closed discussing commissioners.

1275
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:40,020
I'd like to make a motion to approve the land use plan based upon staff listed findings.

1276
01:49:40,580 --> 01:49:46,480
Second, Commissioner Wilson has made a motion. Commissioner Goodenberger seconded at first.

1277
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,300
We have a motion in a second now on the table.

1278
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:53,480
Any further discussion?

1279
01:49:54,940 --> 01:49:55,820
Hearing none.

1280
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,840
All those in favor, please say aye.

1281
01:50:00,020 --> 01:50:01,600
All those opposed, please say no.

1282
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:03,640
The motion carries unanimously.

1283
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:09,670
I believe we need to address the zoning, now that we've addressed the land use plan.

1284
01:50:10,630 --> 01:50:16,050
I will also make a motion based off of the staff findings.

1285
01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:26,630
to approve the zone change requests to zone the 2.6 acres of the R3 medium density.

1286
01:50:27,250 --> 01:50:29,070
I'll just do it.

1287
01:50:29,650 --> 01:50:29,690
Okay.

1288
01:50:31,070 --> 01:50:36,330
And I'll second that with just the note that we're recommending and promoting that.

1289
01:50:42,430 --> 01:50:46,330
Commissioner Wilson has made a motion, Commissioner Meet has seconded it.

1290
01:50:47,210 --> 01:50:49,130
Thank you for the discussion on this motion.

1291
01:50:50,650 --> 01:50:53,030
Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

1292
01:50:54,570 --> 01:50:56,070
All those opposed, please say no.

1293
01:50:56,830 --> 01:50:58,330
The motion carries unanimously.

1294
01:50:59,610 --> 01:51:02,990
And I believe we still have a GDP to address.

1295
01:51:07,250 --> 01:51:17,780
The motion

1296
01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:35,290
to approve the general development plan based off staff's findings and conditions.

1297
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:41,810
Commissioner Wilson has made a motion, Commissioner Meet has seconded it.

1298
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:45,290
There's a motion in a second on the table, there's any further discussion on this motion.

1299
01:51:47,070 --> 01:51:49,470
Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

1300
01:51:50,530 --> 01:51:52,170
All those opposed, please say no.

1301
01:51:52,830 --> 01:51:54,290
The motion carries unanimously.

1302
01:51:57,010 --> 01:52:02,870
For my two cents, I'd like to say the lack of discussion just meant that the applicant followed the rules.

1303
01:52:03,330 --> 01:52:04,610
And that's just to be commended.

1304
01:52:06,370 --> 01:52:09,730
So, on to other business, do we have a city council recap?

1305
01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:15,440
We have very little city council recap in front of the coast.

1306
01:52:15,820 --> 01:52:17,560
I'm covering up for you and I was never meeting.

1307
01:52:21,540 --> 01:52:25,560
I don't know what your protocol and expectations are over the recap.

1308
01:52:27,580 --> 01:52:32,320
Usually the day after the council meeting, the actions are all listed online.

1309
01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:34,080
And I don't know if you've got to look at that.

1310
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:40,780
to see what actions were taken, in terms of discussion, the one thing that John called

1311
01:52:40,780 --> 01:52:49,940
out to my attention was that there was an incentive development. It was in 2015-15

1312
01:52:50,620 --> 01:53:01,760
by the 501 first. It's an outstanding project that was, and that failed 33 under both the

1313
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:07,760
should approve him sit and I so that'll go back to council and they have four men, seven

1314
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:12,260
members of President, so they'll be a type rate. So that's the one piece that I have

1315
01:53:12,260 --> 01:53:14,380
to report to you and I'm sorry, I don't have one more.

1316
01:53:14,460 --> 01:53:24,260
I did approve one, I mean there was a, I meant to approve CUP and send it on it for the

1317
01:53:24,260 --> 01:53:25,760
all of our LSA that was approved.

1318
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,860
They approve the, yes,

1319
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:34,370
thank you, that's great, thank you.

1320
01:53:37,370 --> 01:53:38,850
You're okay with that.

1321
01:53:39,050 --> 01:53:41,530
Yep, that's so I thought we usually see it.

1322
01:53:42,430 --> 01:53:43,410
Any other business members?

1323
01:53:43,650 --> 01:53:44,350
I got something.

1324
01:53:45,290 --> 01:53:47,790
I bring a little interest in here.

1325
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:51,370
So I would like to discuss our zoning ordinance a little bit

1326
01:53:52,710 --> 01:53:56,110
with the updates of the comprehensive plan coming this year.

1327
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:57,570
I've mentioned this before.

1328
01:53:57,570 --> 01:54:04,710
I do think it's very important that we begin discussion of updating our current zoning

1329
01:54:04,710 --> 01:54:10,970
ordinance once that comes into play and I would like to use the minimal but still advisory

1330
01:54:10,970 --> 01:54:16,290
powers of this body to try to move the conversation on that forward so I wrote this

1331
01:54:16,290 --> 01:54:21,710
dance so it's it's clearing it cover everything and so I'm making this as a motion with the

1332
01:54:21,710 --> 01:54:26,070
recognition of the planning and zoning commissions advisory role in formulating preparing and

1333
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:31,490
proposing for adoption plans, programs, and policies relative to the present or future

1334
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:35,470
physical development in planning of the city and in light of the upcoming completion

1335
01:54:35,470 --> 01:54:39,770
of the update to the conference of plan, I move to request the plans that have begun a

1336
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:44,670
similar process to analyze the necessary steps involved in preparing and update to the zoning

1337
01:54:44,670 --> 01:54:48,970
ordinance that would better reflect the forthcoming conference of plan and all other planning

1338
01:54:48,970 --> 01:54:54,390
related documents adopted by the city since the January 1 1992 implementation of the current

1339
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:59,430
ordinance and for staff report back its findings to the plan commission at the March 24th

1340
01:55:01,270 --> 01:55:05,470
And the session's at a little bit, I'm not looking for the like put together an entire plan

1341
01:55:05,470 --> 01:55:06,450
for redoing things.

1342
01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:10,270
I'd like to begin the, I'd like to look at those steps I would take in to update the

1343
01:55:10,270 --> 01:55:16,010
conference of plan and apply those to an update for the zoning ordinance and hear back

1344
01:55:16,690 --> 01:55:22,170
from the plan department if it's feasible to follow a similar plan action to begin updating

1345
01:55:22,170 --> 01:55:23,010
the zoning ordinance.

1346
01:55:23,470 --> 01:55:25,090
I can address that right now.

1347
01:55:25,570 --> 01:55:25,950
Okay.

1348
01:55:25,950 --> 01:55:26,670
Is there already a plan?

1349
01:55:26,910 --> 01:55:27,270
We have to.

1350
01:55:27,370 --> 01:55:27,810
Wonderful.

1351
01:55:30,210 --> 01:55:32,290
So I'm going to leave the motion on the table.

1352
01:55:33,290 --> 01:55:34,970
And if it is already planned, that's great.

1353
01:55:35,070 --> 01:55:37,670
And I'd love to get an update on at the next.

1354
01:55:38,650 --> 01:55:40,230
We have a motion on the table.

1355
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:42,210
Does anyone wish to second it?

1356
01:55:42,250 --> 01:55:42,510
Okay.

1357
01:55:43,890 --> 01:55:45,250
So commissioner Goodberg has made a motion.

1358
01:55:45,390 --> 01:55:47,090
Commissioner Meek has seconded.

1359
01:55:47,210 --> 01:55:48,770
But before we discuss it further, let's hear.

1360
01:55:49,330 --> 01:55:49,650
Yep.

1361
01:55:50,090 --> 01:55:52,990
And I will tell you, I'm not planning to spend a lot of time.

1362
01:55:52,990 --> 01:55:58,390
developing a document to formalize this to share with the planning commission. I'll tell you

1363
01:55:58,390 --> 01:56:03,930
exactly what we're doing. We already have the full intention of asking for council to

1364
01:56:06,910 --> 01:56:12,390
allocate dollars for consulting services so that we can get through that process as quickly as

1365
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:18,510
possible. My intent is to approach the council this spring. We have to get further with the

1366
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:26,930
of plans first, but my hope is to have a budget approved and to have RFPs out before the

1367
01:56:26,930 --> 01:56:31,190
COT plan is approved so that we're ready to move on to that next step very quickly and

1368
01:56:31,190 --> 01:56:34,990
I've been in conversations with city administration about this and this last fall and we're

1369
01:56:34,990 --> 01:56:39,010
just strategizing our time around that so that we have enough work done on the COT plan

1370
01:56:39,010 --> 01:56:39,590
first.

1371
01:56:40,190 --> 01:56:44,950
You know that the COT plan sets the stage for what your policies from the Minister, we need

1372
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:50,990
get a cop plan approves that we can have a zoning in land development strategy that aligns

1373
01:56:50,990 --> 01:56:54,570
better with that so that has to we have to do some sequencing.

1374
01:56:54,830 --> 01:57:01,410
Can't the discussion of budget allocation and any potential consultants begin right away?

1375
01:57:01,710 --> 01:57:05,750
Do those that need the conference and plan to be fully approved to move forward?

1376
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:10,470
No, I said that I'd like to pursue that before the comp plans approved.

1377
01:57:10,510 --> 01:57:10,750
Sure.

1378
01:57:10,750 --> 01:57:16,430
You said this spring and why not next council meeting happy to discuss that with you offline

1379
01:57:16,430 --> 01:57:19,310
Okay, just trust that there's a strategy. Okay

1380
01:57:19,310 --> 01:57:25,670
My I know only reason I say that is my biggest concern all this is that it's gonna draw on and

1381
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:27,590
There'll be

1382
01:57:27,590 --> 01:57:34,570
Discussion and it'll get continued or table for a couple months where I think it's we're already behind the app all what comes as an ordinance

1383
01:57:35,550 --> 01:57:39,670
So it needs to in my opinion it needs me move forward as soon as possible

1384
01:57:39,670 --> 01:57:47,650
But I guess, Mitzi, a lot of trust that you have a plan in place, and that hopefully we can see something move forward here very soon.

1385
01:57:48,430 --> 01:57:50,010
I guess with that in mind,

1386
01:57:55,730 --> 01:57:56,530
I

1387
01:57:59,630 --> 01:58:17,510
guess I would just amend my motion to include recognition that the plan director has a plan in place, but that we are still endorsing as a body moving forward with an update to the zone where it's as soon as possible.

1388
01:58:45,110 --> 01:58:45,730
Yes,

1389
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:57,580
since I'm not privy to the back story on all this can I vote present or recuse myself in the vote

1390
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:09,890
I

1391
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,260
So we've been

1392
01:59:25,820 --> 01:59:30,260
conversations with the group to come in and do some training around the planning commissions

1393
01:59:30,260 --> 01:59:34,440
role and this is something that the group does in different parts of Minnesota so we're

1394
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:39,440
hoping that they can capture some of the uniqueness of Minnesota statutes and planning

1395
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:44,140
expectations by using BAM instead of somebody who's more on a national scale and

1396
01:59:44,140 --> 01:59:49,440
talking more generically. It looks like we're targeting Thursday, April 14th at 5 p.m.

1397
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:53,140
We will be providing dinner to the commission members who are able to attend.

1398
01:59:53,980 --> 01:59:59,500
And I will let you know there's been interest from some others in coming and in listening in on that session.

1399
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,220
I'm learning from it as well. So, the probably folks who represent some other interest in the community who will be part of that too.

1400
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,920
Just a 14.5. Yes.

1401
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:16,080
Can we get just like an email? Just for confirmation on that?

1402
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:20,740
Yes. I believe Dave or someone he did.

1403
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:23,900
We didn't give any final confirmation until now.

1404
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:25,560
We can do that via email.

1405
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:30,320
And then, just a question of procedure, how does that work for, since if all of us are going to be,

1406
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:34,240
if a quorum of us are going to be there, does that to be like advertise as a public meeting or anything?

1407
02:00:34,380 --> 02:00:36,080
To be advertising as a special meeting.

1408
02:00:37,420 --> 02:00:37,440
Okay.

1409
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:38,060
Right, no big pause.

1410
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:38,620
Just curious.

1411
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:42,060
I appreciate that, you know, we've, I know we're at the end of the talk,

1412
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:44,800
but we're trying to get to a class that doesn't come into the city,

1413
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:47,660
and it's just taking time off for us to do something like that,

1414
02:00:47,740 --> 02:00:49,840
and then, you know, it's just a use of our resources,

1415
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,400
to raise a window here to capture all of us at one time.

1416
02:00:52,460 --> 02:00:52,720
Yeah.

1417
02:00:57,340 --> 02:01:01,880
The other thing that we can look at doing, and I think it would be helpful if we can

1418
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:07,580
do it kind of stagger throughout the year, is the American Planning Association offers

1419
02:01:07,580 --> 02:01:14,620
some webinars and some DVD-based sessions that might be informative enough that we could take

1420
02:01:14,620 --> 02:01:21,120
even, whether it's an hour or 45 minutes even on a light agenda night, that we can sprinkle those in.

1421
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:24,080
So we'll be looking at opportunities for that too.

1422
02:01:24,100 --> 02:01:24,320
Okay.

1423
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:25,520
Can you get those for free?

1424
02:01:26,860 --> 02:01:27,820
There's a charge.

1425
02:01:31,340 --> 02:01:31,600
Okay.

1426
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:34,360
Appreciate that.

1427
02:01:34,540 --> 02:01:35,440
Any other business owners?

1428
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:39,440
I have two items that I can state very quickly, Chair Mayer.

1429
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:45,740
Firstly, Commissioner Meek had asked that we follow up with getting more comments

1430
02:01:45,740 --> 02:01:46,700
from Brian Law.

1431
02:01:46,940 --> 02:01:50,180
I did relay that to him with Rochester Public Transit.

1432
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:55,240
I didn't print off, I should have printed off what he told me, I have to paraphrase it.

1433
02:01:55,380 --> 02:01:58,800
Basically, he said, I'll try to add more, because he has to be a little careful about predicting

1434
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,200
where bus stations will go.

1435
02:02:00,340 --> 02:02:03,340
I think he said there in the middle of updating the plan, and I think he also said partially

1436
02:02:03,340 --> 02:02:08,340
that there are some extent reactive to development, to some extent the proactive, to some extent

1437
02:02:08,340 --> 02:02:09,060
they're reactive.

1438
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:14,720
But I thought as work I did for those comments to Mr. Law, and then the only other thing

1439
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:21,280
I'll say it's just in regards to just feedback on some of the text members that we approve.

1440
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:26,520
This commission reviewed a text amendment regarding post on site signage.

1441
02:02:26,620 --> 02:02:29,600
There's little yellow signs that pop up around the city now.

1442
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:35,880
I don't have quantitative proof, but just anecdotally I think they're having an impact

1443
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:40,600
because we get a lot of calls from people before notifications even go out saying, hey,

1444
02:02:40,740 --> 02:02:42,460
this sign would up what's going on.

1445
02:02:42,460 --> 02:02:47,040
Because I know questions already came up tonight about, you know, if people were seeing a notification or not

1446
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:52,760
So I just forward as far as I think the signs are having somewhat of an impact. That's all. Thank you

1447
02:02:54,280 --> 02:03:01,060
We do not normally normally it's the way it was approved the applicant is responsible to installing them and maintaining them

1448
02:03:02,860 --> 02:03:03,300
You

1449
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,640
know, we've I've

1450
02:03:12,620 --> 02:03:16,920
I've tried to get them back because we're supposed to reuse them so we don't have to pay for new ones

1451
02:03:18,860 --> 02:03:19,300
Correct

1452
02:03:21,500 --> 02:03:23,440
That's all I had. Thank you.

1453
02:03:23,580 --> 02:03:24,180
Any other business?

1454
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:34,260
I'll just say thanks to the commission for bringing up the notion of moving as quickly as we can on the zoning and development policy updates.

1455
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:36,900
Do you think that's a very important priority for us?

1456
02:03:52,580 --> 02:04:00,000
And I'll tell you what I've told you when I've told Council over the last year is the way of a limited capacity to respond to them, right now.

1457
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:04,760
And if we delay the priorities we're focused on right now, it'll take longer to get

1458
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:05,800
a compliment on them.

1459
02:04:05,860 --> 02:04:09,960
It'll take longer for us to resolve some of the transportation solutions we're really trying

1460
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:10,220
to do.

1461
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:15,980
We had to wait about the council needs to offer us the money for you guys.

1462
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:16,660
I know.

1463
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:21,260
We had this discussion last year about adding staff and what kind of role that my

1464
02:04:21,260 --> 02:04:23,740
and Christian might have in making those kind of advisory things.

1465
02:04:24,460 --> 02:04:26,240
And basically it's not much.

1466
02:04:26,360 --> 02:04:27,360
That was pretty limited.

1467
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:41,980
I would say there are constant, we've done fairly well, we were able to add three more

1468
02:04:41,980 --> 02:04:45,640
staff, three more planners and staff in the last three years.

1469
02:04:46,140 --> 02:04:48,100
That's a pretty big deal.

1470
02:04:48,620 --> 02:04:55,120
The problem is that we have vacancies, because we have not been up to our court staffing levels that

1471
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:57,840
The case of the vacancies we have.

1472
02:04:58,100 --> 02:04:59,220
Don't get me ideas, guys.

1473
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:03,740
There's a few months we will get back from the office and people will stop her

1474
02:05:03,740 --> 02:05:05,440
and we'll stop her.

1475
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:06,460
We'll move the gun.

1476
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:09,700
We'll move the gun.

1477
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:11,000
Do you have a home attack tonight?

1478
02:05:12,540 --> 02:05:15,200
We've been on a side of the bus for about a year, but we've been on a side of the bus.

1479
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,920
We've been on a side of the bus for about seven or eight years.

1480
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:18,980
That's a side of the bus.

1481
02:05:19,540 --> 02:05:20,020
We've been on a side of the bus for about ten years.

1482
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:24,800
Yeah, we've been on a side of the bus for a long time.

1483
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:32,340
time when we really didn't have capacity to take on text amendments, but I don't know if

1484
02:05:32,340 --> 02:05:37,540
there's any typical thing, we really need to take a bigger approach to looking at other

1485
02:05:37,540 --> 02:05:42,940
stuff that we can have together. So I think we've got the first close opportunity to do something.

1486
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:50,360
Now I think what we have to do is we can initiate them. We want to have the ability to respond to them.

1487
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:57,060
We focused on the last year our corrections and things that are clarification to help remove

1488
02:05:57,060 --> 02:06:02,800
conflict and friction in the process and hopefully we have done enough of those now

1489
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:07,420
where it starts to see some litigation from the friction that those were causing.

1490
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,120
I think that those were really good news,

1491
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:14,320
but we will acknowledge just more we can.

1492
02:06:15,950 --> 02:06:17,790
Any other business?

1493
02:06:19,310 --> 02:06:19,850
No children.

1494
02:06:20,730 --> 02:06:21,010
Second.

1495
02:06:21,390 --> 02:06:23,570
You have a motion and a second to adjourn.

1496
02:06:24,590 --> 02:06:25,170
Any discussion?

1497
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:27,130
All those in favor please say hi.

1498
02:06:27,170 --> 02:06:27,710
Hi.

1499
02:06:28,370 --> 02:06:29,590
I was both please say no.

1500
02:06:29,990 --> 02:06:31,090
The motion carries unanimously.