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Testing, one, two, three. Let me know if you can hear it over your cell phone.

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There's a 30-second delay.

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And then your volume on your phone. Okay. Perfect.

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We are going to start our closed session, Rockland City Council meetings. First, we'll do a call to order and roll call.

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Good evening. Councilmember Janda. President. Vice Mayor Holden. Councilmember Gallardo. Here. Councilmember Broadway. Here. Mayor Bass. Here. Thank you.

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All right. We are now going to enter into closed session.

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First, to CS1, pursuant to government code section 54956.95, liability claim, claimant, Jason Boyer, agency claimed against City of Rockland.

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Then CS2, pursuant to government code section 54956.9, sub-D sub-4, conference of legal counsel, anticipated litigation, initiation of litigation, two potential cases.

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All right, there

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is no one in the actual chambers, so I assume there's no public comment from the invisible gallery, but we have online, is there anyone there?

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No one on Zoom, Mayor Bassett.

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All right, thank you. I'll close public comment. Thank you for keeping us legal.

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All right, good evening.

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Good evening.

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Now is the time for our general session for the Rockland City Council. We did not have anything to report out of closed session, so we're now calling the general session to order. We'll begin with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Next, we'll move on to agenda review. I am going to be asking for us to move up D1. Right after the consent. Next, we'll have citizens addressing the city council. This is an opportunity for

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the public, to comment on matters that are not listed on the agenda.

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Public comment on items listed on the agenda will be taken as the agenda item is called.

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Do we have any non-agentized items to be discussed with the public?

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Mayor Bass, we do have two comment cards received.

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The first speaker is Mr. Mark Hoffman.

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All right.

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Mr. Mayor and Council, for this opportunity to address you as stated, my name is Mark Hoffman.

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I am a community outreach and civic engagement chairman for Placer Repertory Theatre, which is a 501C3 nonprofit professional educational theater company based here in Rockland.

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Placer Repertory Theatre is dedicated to bringing educational, cultural, and life-enhancing

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professional theatre experience to the schools, families, retirees, and general audiences

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throughout Placer County and the surrounding communities since its founding just before

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the COVID crisis struck.

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Although we have no home performance space, we take our shows to various venues, either

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rented or provided by various entities.

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We serve such as schools, libraries, senior centers, etc.

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Our 2026-27 season opening is next month.

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We have performances booked already for

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Rockland in October, Roseville, Lincoln, and Auburn, and

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seeking other venues to bring our performance.

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That show, the first show of the season, is an interactive melodrama based on the story of Dracula.

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Those shows are a lot of fun, they really are.

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As we expand our outreach and programming, we're seeking to connect with people who are interested in engaging as volunteers to support the arts in meaningful non-actual roles.

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We're looking for people to assist us with such things as front-of-house support, ushers,

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greeters, ticketing, event staffing for logistics, educational outreach assistance, technical

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support, backstage crew, set building, costumes, and administrative and marketing help.

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another thing that's coming right up soon is next Monday this month the 31st at

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7 p.m. we're having the kickoff meeting for our new works showcase

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And actors, directors, theater technicians, anybody who's interested, writers are invited to come to that 7pm. If they need to contact us for the location, it's placer rep at gmail.com. Thank you so much. All right.

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Next comment card is from Miss Betty Joe Smith.

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Betty

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Joe Smith.

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And I was attacked by the cartels and I almost died in when they got me to the hospital.

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And I had to stay there for three, two months.

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And when I came out, okay, cuz I have four retirements here cuz I was a worker all the time.

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I worked for the schools and everything.

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And then I decided to get a small travel trailer at Sousa's place and he, okay, and I don't have a cart glitch down my thing.

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And he told me from five to morning to about seven, I was to trench for everybody in the car, in the air, and then he told me,

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Oh, you smell, or you do this, or you do that.

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And I just wanted to go to sleep after being beat so much.

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And then, because, you know, in school,

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I got all A's on everything.

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And then afterwards, he would tell me,

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there was no water in my place.

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And I said, how come I don't get no water in here?

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And he said, just go do the dirt then.

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And I did it because I was scared.

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But then I said, I'm not scared anymore.

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You're not going to do that.

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And then I called the police.

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And the police came up there because I help put the cartel

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into bolsom prison.

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A lot.

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Most of them came from me because I told them exactly what they

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were doing and where they were doing it.

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And that's how I am.

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I tell it's truth and he's a bit of go out of here right now and they're going to even

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do worse.

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They didn't catch me because I just floored it out and then I hid, you know, and when

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I went into the, you know, I was very sick, they turned my fingers almost all off my hands

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and then they beat me so bad it wasn't bad.

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I just wanted to die, but you know what, thought was good.

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For a minute, he gave me one minute to run,

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and I had my clicker with my dogs in there,

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my little dogs that I didn't want him to kill.

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And so I got in it and just floored.

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I didn't care what I hit anybody over.

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I didn't care.

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I just wanted it out of there.

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And then I went to this place, Mr. Susa, his name,

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And he made me trench from 5 in the morning until about 7 every day to do his work and it was hard and I was sick.

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And I said, come on man, I'm kind of, you know, sometimes I didn't remember things but now I can remember.

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I remember everything he did to me.

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And it was, because I used to get A's in class, and okay, that's what it is.

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No, no, no, I just, I want to let you know that we have people that are going to be able to help you and get services for you.

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I've asked for some of our staff to help you.

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Definitely you have a story and I hear you.

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I'm sorry that what has happened to you, right now the best thing is the services and

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make sure that what you have, what's happened to you is getting reported.

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I understand and we have a full council meeting.

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The best professionals that we can get you in connection with aren't up here.

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They're going to be the people that we get you and connected with.

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Thank you for everything.

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We have to move on.

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Thank you.

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He should be in prison.

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Thank you.

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No additional comment cards, and I do not see any hands raised on Zoom.

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All right, thank you.

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At this point in time, we're going to move on to reports from City Council and City Manager.

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I'll start to my right with Councilmember John.

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The report tonight.

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Just to brief report, the Western Flashways Management Authority met earlier this month.

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We received a number of reports, including the results of our latest audits on diversion of materials. And we're exceeding the state's requirements for diversion of materials. So, they're not going into the landfill. And good numbers on composting. So, that's good for all the jurisdictions here in plastic County.

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Council Member Galdem. Thank you. A couple of things. On the 17th was the Placer mosquito vector.

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control board meeting. We did have our first case of West Nile virus in Lincoln on a horse.

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It's a new one for me, the things I learned doing this sometimes. It was unvaccinated,

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apparently most people vaccinate their horses, so they're being encouraged to do that. It is not

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transmitted from animal to animal, but from the mosquito bites, so they are doing some extra

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eradication out there in that area. I just want to make sure people are aware. On the 20th was our

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our Saigon board meeting, an interesting quirk in Saigon.

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You have to have a majority of the cities there and then you also have to have a majority

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of supervisors in there to be able to pass any of the items.

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They had, it was the same day as state of the city for Roswell so I think some of our supervisors

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and certainly some of the representatives from those areas were missing.

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We did have, the largest item on there is approving the federal transportation dollars.

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We were not able to do that because we were able to finally get enough supervisors through Zoom,

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but you actually physically have to have them a majority in the building and then you can have the Zoom people.

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So we were not able to pass that through.

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I am pleased to say that on the recommendation four of the five Placer County projects are on the list to be funded.

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I'm really excited that it's been a bit for that to happen, but there is still some

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conversation of following the parameters that were put in place with 35% going for repairs.

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There are two of the largest entities did not are not included in that list or did not

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make a funding list and so I believe there's some discussion about some dissent about that

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and if they want to try to increase the funding available which would then short change it

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for the next round, so we will see what happens, but it did get put on until the next meeting.

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It was honored to be able to adjourn the meeting in honor of our former, our longest-serving

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council member, Peter Hill, and who was also an employee of SACOG.

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I don't know if everybody realized that he worked for SACOG.

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Obviously served six years, or six terms as mayor, and served for nearly 30 years on the council

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after his many years serving on the school board.

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A great message that I had heard, Mark O'Sullivan, who was the lead chaplain for the Plaster County Law Enforcement Chaplaincy, I served voluntary on that board.

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And he shared a story that when he did a, he had invited Peter Hill to ride along with him and the city was not contributing to the chaplaincy.

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and he took him out in one day they had six callouts and he said that afternoon Peter Hill made sure that the next meeting there was a $5,000 check went to them and he was very appreciative.

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So it was just an honor to recognize Peter on some positives. On Saturday we had one of our residents Virginia had celebrated a 100 and second birthday.

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I got to either for her 100th birthday and this time they celebrated and Coca-Cola came

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because she has a Coca-Cola every day.

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And so an 18-wheeler truck pulled up and dropped off 102 models of Coke for her.

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It was very cool.

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And it was really nice to see some of our local electives were there.

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Kevin Kindley, representatives from Roger also, Nilo was also there.

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where our supervisor Anthony DiMate was there, so it was really great to see people step

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up to recognize her and she is sharp as attack.

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And then also on Saturday, our Rockland's finest, one of our officers, Guillermo, was representing

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Rockland as the Republic FC.

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He sang and played on the ukulele the National Anthem at the Republic FC soccer game in Sacramento.

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He made us very proud and I have a great video I'll share with you when you're ready.

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And then last was on Monday, I'm really, really excited to represent this group at the swearing

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in for four new firefighters for Rockland.

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They are all laterals, experienced folks that came here.

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We are, as you know, adding nine new firefighters this year, which is just a tremendous opportunity

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for us.

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And having experienced folks, I think, coming from Petaluma Forest Hill.

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will

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No, and I apologize, I don't know if you remember the other one, but one of the benefits in Rockland is you get a full-fledged paramedic if you need it here when you get a call. And that's something so they can do that advanced life savings. So having paramedics transferred to come here for us. Also, I think was a tremendous boom. That's all I have. Thank you, Councilmember Rodley. Nothing today, Mr. Mayor. I do not have anything today, however, I didn't speak because I'm going to make sure that D1 is

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going to be heard after P1 and P2.

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I think I said it happened to consent.

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City manager, I didn't forget you this time.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So the fourth new firefighter comes to us from Cal Fire.

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And we're very excited to welcome them all this week

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to join the city as the council knows,

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but just a reminder, this is because we were successful

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in receiving a very competitive federal safer grant,

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which is staffing for adequate fire emergency resources.

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I'm probably saying it wrong, but it's something like that.

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It has about a 93% fail rate, and we were successful in receiving that competitive grant earlier this year, or late last year, and so we've been doing our best to hire the firefighters that we can pay for with those.

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I just one thing to mention, which is city facilities will be closed on Monday, September 7th, and observance of the Labor Day, holiday, police and fire services will continue as 24-7 as usual, and that concludes my report.

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All right.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Next on the calendar is the consent calendar.

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All items listed.

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On the consent calendar are considered and acted upon by one motion.

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Anyone may request an item be removed for a separate consideration.

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Do I have any motions to move?

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All right.

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Then I'll look for a motion for the consent calendar.

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Mr. Mayor, I'll move approval of consent calendar items C1 through C11.

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Second.

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I'm having a first and a second.

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All in favor, aye.

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Aye.

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Noes.

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abstentions, the eyes have it, passes unanimously.

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Now move on to our presentations in the meeting.

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We have P1 Oats of Office for Incoming Commission members, and we have City Clerk of Vintessing.

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Take it away.

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If I can please invite our commissioners to be appointed and reappointed to the floor.

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Thank you.

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Okay, commissioners, I'm going to request that you please state your name one at a time, please state I.

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And then repeat your name, and if I can also have you raise your right hand.

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Okay, we'll start with Commissioner Barron, please state I and then state your name.

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Do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California.

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against all enemies foreign and domestic,

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that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of California,

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that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.

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Thank you very much and congratulations.

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I do just want to take a moment on behalf of the City Council to thank everyone that it's

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a job that is obviously volunteer.

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I know many of the people that were up there, they love this city as much as many of the

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people in this room and then they put a little extra.

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Sometimes every single night to be away from their families and so it's a great sacrifice

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and we're really blessed to have so many great leaders in this community.

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So thank you, everyone, for stepping up and doing another round of getting up here and for planning commission and arts commission, et cetera. It's been, we just really appreciate everything you do. So thank you. Moving on to presentation P2 summer civic career program presentation. We'll have administrative services manager Megan Bussley.

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Hi, good evening mayor and council members and thank you students for coming and parents.

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So, a quick recap of our summer civic career program, the program is also sponsored in partnership with

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Rockland Unified School District and the Rockland Educational Excellence Foundation.

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So, without that support, it would not be possible.

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So, big thank you to those two groups for helping get the students involved in this.

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Well, there we go, we're good.

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All right, so quick overview of the program.

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The goal of this program is to introduce students to the impacts of public service and build their understanding of how city operations work together to serve the community.

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So it's really just to give them a look into what we actually do and how all the departments work together to keep the city running and provide that service.

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This year we had interviewed 12 students and they were selected.

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We had the two week program from June 15th through June 25th.

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And each of the 12 students, we actually have 11 that ended up being able to participate.

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They were split into two groups and they rotated throughout the two weeks through the various departments at the city.

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Throughout the program, they were encouraged to take notes, they were provided a notebook to take notes on their experience with each department, the activities they did, what they learned about the city and public service.

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And at the conclusion of the program, they were asked to complete a final essay.

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And that was required to get the scholarship from Reef.

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The highlight, one of the highlights was the state of the city this year.

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So we had a unique opportunity where the timing of the program aligned with our state at the city.

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And we were actually able to, on that final week, coordinate an opportunity for

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the students to all come and attend, which was really cool experience.

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and we got a lot of positive feedback from the students on being able to attend that.

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So, hoping in future that maybe that will align so we can keep that tradition going.

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So, for the group, here's our group photo of the students that we had that participated.

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They really enjoyed the hands-on learning experience.

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They do complete a survey for us at the end, and they highlighted some of their favorite activities.

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A couple of their favorites were from fire and police, including the forceful entry demonstration.

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The fire apparatus, they actually got to climb the ladder, they got to climb up about 70 feet.

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And many students reported that fear of heights, but they did it and they were super proud of themselves, so that was really cool.

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They also did a canine demonstration, so those were the things they highlighted in their feedback.

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But they actually highlighted a lot of other positives of the program.

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like the Mox City Council meeting, going to the state of the city, and then just

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actually being surprised at what all the different departments do that they

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didn't realize. So these are just a couple highlights of the activities they did.

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You can see the fire they went to Parks and Rec and did some field work. They got

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to do the DUI driving with PD. Here's them at the city council, Mox meeting. So

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So, really good experience, here's a perfect example of the latter, there's one of the students on the latter.

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So, with that, as I mentioned the survey, overall satisfaction was the program, was 100% of the students were satisfied with the program.

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As you can see on our little scale, we tried to visually put it out for you, but 60% of the students were extremely satisfied and

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and 40% were on early satisfied.

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So overall, great feedback on the program.

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And then as far as the impacts on their future career or college plans,

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the program did achieve its goal of getting the information to the students

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and exposing them to what the city actually does.

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And 90% reported that the program actually made them think about their future career and

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college plans.

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So that's 100% what we were hoping for.

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10% indicated that the program reinforced their existing career plans.

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So, to announce our winners, so the survey also asked the students to rate their favorite departments.

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There was a tie, a tie for a first meeting from among my team.

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There's going to be a meeting among my team after this, but thank you, Megan.

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So, the tie was between fire department and police department, so congratulations on your shared victory.

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In third place, we had parks and rec, so overall, great experience, lots of good feedback.

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Maybe fire and police should have to do something to break that tie.

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That's a great suggestion, so that wraps up kind of an overview of the program.

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It was a really great experience looking forward to planning for next year.

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Just to shout out to some folks that really helped make this program possible.

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a lot of our department directors, the City Council, Allie.

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As I mentioned, Ken Broadway, he's on reef as a secretary, so he had a big piece in this.

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Rachel Lund from the school district was also a huge piece in coordinating this.

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So before we, I'm going to introduce the, call the students of one by one to receive their certificate and checks.

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But before I do that, I'm going to turn it over to Ken Broadway to say a few words.

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And then Roger Stock, the superintendent from the school district.

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Great, thank you.

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Sue, I want to thank the Rockland Unified School District.

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I want to thank the Rockland Educational Excellence Foundation.

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And I want to thank the City of Rockland for putting this program together.

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Those three groups came together back in 2014 and

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to begin the process of developing this program and then providing it to students to take time during what is normally their summer break to engage in learning more about civics, about how we run the city and potential opportunities for them in the future and opportunities for hopefully bring a new back to provide leadership for our city.

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And we have over the years had more than 150 students participate in the program and we've awarded over $75,000 in scholarships through the Rockland Educational Excellence Foundation.

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So I would like to recognize, first of all, Alex Wright, who is the president of the Rockland Educational Excellence Foundation if you'd please stand, Alex.

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And so we are going to hear from our superintendent of our school's Roger Stock, who's standing off in the wings, and then we also have, and I don't know if there's any other members of our school board or trust these here, but I know that Michelle Sutherland, who is also sworn in and serves in a capacity on helping us on the recognition commission for our city is here.

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And also Tiffany Statoff is in the back, and so I want to thank the school district, so we can just give them a quick round.

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You've already recognized the city staff, but you most importantly, I want to thank you for your leadership in putting this program together.

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But most importantly, I want to thank these young men and women sitting in the front of the room for taking time.

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For those of us who are a little older, if you remember your summers and how precious those were.

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they took time out of their summer to participate in this program.

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And if you want, please send me an email.

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I'll be happy to share with you their essays.

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They are absolutely amazing, and it reflects the time that they had, but

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the energy and effort they put into it.

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So I want to give these students a round of applause for their commitment to making our community better.

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And the last but not least, it certainly is a reflection of you parents who are here.

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You've done a great job raising these young men and women, so thank you and so with that I'm going to turn it over to our superintendent

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Thank you mayor bass councilmembers for recognizing our students in this program and also for

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sustaining this partnership which is as councilmember Broadway mentioned since 2014 and also thank you to our Board of Trustees and you can see the support tonight and two of them being available to attend

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Tonight's recognition as well and our board has made it a priority our district has of partnering with the city and

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and other organizations such as Rockland Educational Excellence Foundation to do whatever we can together, we know we're better together and so we take great pride in the way we work together and the way we support the youth in this community and so deeply appreciative of the city for this and we know it takes extra time out of staff to provide those opportunities for our youth and for the Rockland Educational Excellence.

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They do so many things to support public education in our community. We're grateful for this. And this has really been a legacy program of this. This program has been an existence almost as long as the foundation has. And this is something that we're thrilled they sustain. And then, of course, Mrs. Lund, who organizes and does all the actual work at the school district on this program. We are deeply appreciative of her and her commitment to this, because she's here in the summer helping make sure and lay us on in with our family, students and staff.

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So we again are just deeply appreciative students. We're proud of you. You really showcase what's best of our youth in our community our school district by your commitment and and again as Mr. Broadway said parents, we thank you for your great work that you've done raising them and

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being a part of our community, so we again are thankful for the recognition this evening.

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Okay, at this point, I am going to call each of the students up.

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One at a time, Rachel is going to give you your certificate and the check.

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Please take your certificate and check and stay up front, because we're going to do a group picture with council after.

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Do the council members want to come down now as well as any score board trustees?

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And anyone else from the school district to go-

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Okay, I'll wait until everybody gets up here and then I'll start calling the names.

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So we have Jude Alhindi,

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Leyla Beasley,

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Tatiana Brown.

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Her father is accepting on her behalf mandatory sports commitment.

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Samantha Fernandez,

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Anna Namgoong,

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Anika Nanapanani,

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Swakredi Narang,

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okay, also parent representative sports commitment,

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William, Provost,

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Warren Tucker,

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Ava Voov,

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and Luca Wright.

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All right, those are our participants.

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Haley is going to snap a group photo.

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All right, I know it's a school night so I'm just going to allow a couple of council

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members that do want to say

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I know, perhaps council member Gieldo wants to, and then we'll take a very, very brief break so that everyone can move on. Although, we've got a really cool discussion item coming up. I want to stick around.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you so much, I am just so excited that we are so ridiculously proud of our schools

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and having a partnership to be able to have them here.

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I think everybody knows people come here for our schools quite frankly because they're

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fantastic.

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And having this ability, and I know you do both double duty, I have to tell you when my mother

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And my mother and father-in-law grew up here in Rockland.

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They had to get the bus in front of the laundromat and ride to Roseville High to go to high school, because we didn't have one.

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And when I get to go out to the schools and talk sometimes, and I ask some, my husband went to Rockland Elementary, where did he go to middle school?

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And it's great to see the blank, and then I tell them, he went to Rockland Elementary, it was the only school we had.

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And then every kid, and I know, I've got some rookles and some long-time folks here that know you got on the bus, and you rode to Roseville.

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and when Rosa was full, then they went to Oakmont and that was full, they went to Deloro until we opened up Rockland High in 94, I believe it is.

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So this just fills us with pride.

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Thank you so much.

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I love the partnership.

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I love these kids.

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I'm hoping because nobody grows up, sorry, Ali, but no one grows up and says I want to be a city manager.

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Everybody wants to go fire and PD, I noticed.

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And you know, with our parks commissioners here and our planning folks, you see they do such great work and we're going to have a presentation on our parks.

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Hopefully some of you at lit a fire and said, you know, I could be a parks director.

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And somebody clearly has got to stand up for public works.

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Didn't anybody want to go dig in the dirt and do some road construction?

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But we're just ridiculously proud.

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So thank you and thank you to the parents.

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Spread the word kids.

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Get the group out next year because what a unique opportunity to see something that maybe sparks your interest.

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I don't know about you, but I was guaranteed I was going to be a high control man when I was growing up, so you might find you want to do something different.

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Thank you.

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All right, so we're going to take a five minute break. I'll allow our school kids and the parents to leave if you want, or you can stay, and then we'll reconvene in about five minutes.

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We're back from recess. We're going to take the next item. We'll be D1. Excuse me.

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Excuse me. We're going to start the next item. That'll be D1. This is a presentation for the Northwest Rockland Community Parks Master Plan. Parks and Recreation Director Veronica Tracey. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and council members. Tonight, I am pleased to bring forward the Northwest Community Parks Master Plan.

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covering three of our community's most heavily used facilities, Whitney Community Park,

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Kathy Lund Community Park, and Margaret Ezevedo Park.

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This has been a genuinely year-long effort, starting with community workshops in September of 2025,

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an online survey that ran throughout the process, a second round of both park specific and

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MOU leadership group only workshops that fall, and a draft plan brought back to the community this past spring.

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What you'll see tonight is the refined result of that full cycle of listening, drafting, and listening again.

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I want to be clear that there is no funding currently identified for the construction of these improvements.

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What this plan does instead is turn community input into a clear, phased, cost-estimated design for

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each park's undeveloped and underutilized space.

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Exactly the kind of shovel-ready plan that grant funders want to see before committing dollars.

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Today's discussion does not commit us to spending.

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It positions Rockland to compete for funding as opportunities arise.

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The plan also brings a real consolidation and efficiency for our sports families, grouping

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similar uses together so that parents deal with less scheduling guesswork.

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And every sport currently housed at these parks comes out with a net increase in available fields.

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This plan directly supports your strategic priorities.

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It's livable, vibrant, resilient, and sustainable, giving residents better amenities, stronger

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event, and tournament potential, minimal disruption during construction when we get to that

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point, and a real path to outside funding.

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With that, I'd like to introduce Sarah Crossley with Melton Design Group, our project manager,

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and she will walk you through the plan in detail.

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Thank you, Veronica.

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Hello, council members and community.

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Looking forward to presenting the master plans tonight.

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Like Veronica said, there is no funding identified, but what we'll go through tonight are master plans that then go with figures for what we may need for funding to go build out these parks.

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So, as you mentioned, it's Whitney Community Park, Margaret as a Vito Park and Kathy Lund Park.

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They're all about a mile and a half within each other.

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We did a couple different community outreach, so one in person, like she said, all the

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whole time we were doing a survey and we had 121 responses, which was very good feedback.

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and we also had really good turnouts at our in-person workshops.

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And also our virtual workshops. So we had three different opportunities for people to give feedback,

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and those went really well. The elements shown on the right are prioritized in order of demand that we heard. So functional improvements,

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just things like sight lighting, more storage, restrooms, ADA accessibility, those types of things, shade of course, trees, shade structures,

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the community wanted to see the balance of the use of a sport complex versus community

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park elements, just so if you're not there for sports and you wanted to use other elements

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like a playground or walking trails, things like that. There was a demand for wellness,

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walking in nature, more spaces to stay and gather, so picnic areas, more passive areas

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is like that.

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Identity and beauty, so art and just visibly aesthetic things and then recreational gaps like

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cricket or other types of sports to see where those types of things may fit.

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So the feedback for each park, this is what they wanted to see per park.

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So as Veronica was saying, our main goal was to see where we can fit different fields and

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and do the best we could on each of the master plans

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to get the max use.

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So for Whitney Community Park, it was soccer fields

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and multi-use open grass area.

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There's a whole developed side that

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lend itself to that.

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Kathy Lenn was to maximize softball fields

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for competitions and tournaments

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and Margaret Ezevedo was to maximize the soccer fields.

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community-driven elements, so sports and recreation, like mentioned, different things there,

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cricket, potential location elsewhere, grass volleyball, botchie court, football court,

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multi-use fitness.

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So these are things that were brought up that we heard the community for and we could

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consider if we can put those into these parks or where we could put them in the future

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at different locations around the city, so we just wanted to note we heard you and we're

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considering where those might go. Different nature, passive recreation elements like a

415
01:52:31,090 --> 01:52:37,390
labyrinth, meditation areas, play and family, more themed playground areas, which all these parks

416
01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:44,750
we have proposed, additional theming, gathering in social, picnic tables, gathering spaces,

417
01:52:44,750 --> 01:52:51,550
is dog amenities, so dog parks, and then like I mentioned before, the accessibility

418
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:56,190
and infrastructure for best accessibility there.

419
01:52:57,730 --> 01:52:59,450
All right, Whitney Community Park.

420
01:53:00,970 --> 01:53:06,830
So this is an existing condition, so on the right there you have undeveloped open space,

421
01:53:07,530 --> 01:53:12,790
you have the bike park that was recently put in parking lot down the middle, and then you

422
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:18,510
have four softball fields on the left and then another parking lot beyond that. Whitney

423
01:53:18,510 --> 01:53:24,830
High School is directly behind that. So it's kind of what we're looking at for existing

424
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:30,890
conditions. There's also playground, spray ground. That's a big area, restroom, all those

425
01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:40,990
types of amenities. So here is our overall proposed master plan. On the left there there's

426
01:53:40,990 --> 01:53:45,070
proposed to be a renovation as needed for the two softball fields,

427
01:53:45,250 --> 01:53:50,410
mainly like a new fencing as we develop behind there, a trail, trees,

428
01:53:51,110 --> 01:53:53,470
possible t-ball practice field.

429
01:53:54,810 --> 01:53:59,190
What we heard a lot from softball is oh well when we were playing we need warm-up space,

430
01:53:59,570 --> 01:54:02,490
we just want to maximize the place people can go if they're not playing.

431
01:54:03,010 --> 01:54:05,490
So we wanted to make the best use of that behind there.

432
01:54:05,490 --> 01:54:10,750
We added fish and stations behind there, and then just a nice connective trail at the back.

433
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:14,630
Here's just an enlarge so we can look at the right side.

434
01:54:15,370 --> 01:54:22,430
So the existing pump track, there's already been a future plan proposed plan for an expansion of that.

435
01:54:22,590 --> 01:54:25,630
So we just wanted to pencil out where that could potentially be.

436
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:33,750
We added a whole new parking lot that wrapped around on the south and east side.

437
01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:42,830
gaining about, I think, 217, quite a few spaces all along there.

438
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:48,830
Three soccer fields. It would also just be a nice big grass area for different events.

439
01:54:50,670 --> 01:54:55,330
Use for different things. I think you could fit a full size football field in there, so

440
01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:59,650
you could stripe it for different uses. We striped it for full size soccer.

441
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,320
To kind of show the size there and there was a need for more soccer so that's what we striped it for. It would also have a fencing around the pump track and potentially around the soccer fields just trying to contain the bikes to their area and the soccer to their area keeping the different uses in their own area. The parking lot has a nice drop off and where it says grass area in the center there.

442
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:30,680
I don't know if I have a laser.

443
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:33,280
I do but you can't see it.

444
01:55:34,100 --> 01:55:40,600
So there's an area where food trucks could potentially come and plug in for different

445
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:41,200
events.

446
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:45,120
There's a staging gathering area, shaded picnic.

447
01:55:45,380 --> 01:55:51,580
You can see in the center there a nice central restroom concession stand for all the areas

448
01:55:51,580 --> 01:55:54,240
around it to use, a nice little grass area.

449
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:58,620
not for sports, but for just regular recreation.

450
01:55:59,420 --> 01:56:01,480
We also have a proposed game area,

451
01:56:01,820 --> 01:56:05,440
so like Cornhole Botchy, those kind of yard games,

452
01:56:06,580 --> 01:56:09,120
and different picnic areas, seating,

453
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:10,940
all those kinds of things there.

454
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:16,600
Also the pink stars, those are proposed art locations.

455
01:56:17,620 --> 01:56:20,020
So just fitting all the different elements in there.

456
01:56:20,020 --> 01:56:25,940
And we would maintain the access from the park to the high school.

457
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:30,600
We know sometimes it's used for overflow parking for gains and those sorts of things.

458
01:56:31,180 --> 01:56:37,660
And then in the garden that's existing we would propose to do maybe some art and just add a couple things there.

459
01:56:40,450 --> 01:56:44,490
So when looking at costs we divided the park up into amenity areas.

460
01:56:45,010 --> 01:56:50,250
They're not phased, we weren't at the point of phasing the project.

461
01:56:50,250 --> 01:56:58,590
It's just grouping the amenities that would chunk kind of the cost down to start looking at the project per area.

462
01:56:59,650 --> 01:57:03,890
So in total, it's about 16 to 23 million for the whole renovation of the park.

463
01:57:04,970 --> 01:57:11,070
A amenity area one, so that would include the soccer fields and

464
01:57:11,070 --> 01:57:17,490
the new parking lot with renovation of the sidewalk or anything that would need to happen like that in that phase.

465
01:57:17,490 --> 01:57:29,910
and that one was, I believe, between 10 and 13 million for that phase, 10 to 15 for

466
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:35,830
that phase. So that's kind of what we chunked into that group and then commissioners, you

467
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:39,430
do have a breakdown of cost in the back of your packets to look at later.

468
01:57:40,270 --> 01:57:49,110
A amenity area two is that where there is a current parking lot and pump track.

469
01:57:49,490 --> 01:57:57,190
So for the extension and the gathering area with the games, the restroom, concession,

470
01:57:59,110 --> 01:58:04,130
all those types of things would include lighting, each of these phases includes lighting and

471
01:58:04,130 --> 01:58:07,570
in the infrastructure and all mobilization, all those types of things.

472
01:58:08,990 --> 01:58:13,750
Sarah, if I might interrupt you for a moment and we can just move through these pretty quickly.

473
01:58:14,710 --> 01:58:19,970
I wanted to note for counsel that the discrepancy in the price is that the contractor has priced

474
01:58:19,970 --> 01:58:24,770
out all the amenities using regular turf and artificial.

475
01:58:25,190 --> 01:58:29,610
So the high end of the price is artificial turf, low end of the price is regular turf.

476
01:58:29,610 --> 01:58:33,570
And if you would like to move through the amenity areas, which I don't feel free.

477
01:58:34,970 --> 01:58:41,130
All right, amenity area three, that's for the renovation of the fields, the fitness,

478
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:46,790
the trail, the T-ball, and any type of planting and that sort of thing there.

479
01:58:49,470 --> 01:58:50,810
Kathy Lung Community Park.

480
01:58:51,530 --> 01:58:56,830
So the existing condition on this one is there was five existing softball fields with two soccer

481
01:58:56,830 --> 01:58:57,270
fields.

482
01:58:57,270 --> 01:59:06,850
There are playground, spray ground, parking lot, paved parking lot, and then a gravel parking lot with the access path around the back.

483
01:59:07,410 --> 01:59:16,350
There's also storage for softball and plaza utility building for the spray ground and a concession restroom.

484
01:59:16,350 --> 01:59:16,530
room.

485
01:59:18,820 --> 01:59:24,920
So the master plan on this one is we wanted to maximize the softball fields so we would

486
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:30,760
renovate the four existing fields and then add four fields so eliminating two of the soccer fields

487
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:37,700
and then adding three warm-up fields or you could also use it for T-ball. It's mainly just to

488
01:59:37,700 --> 01:59:44,220
infield renovate the spray ground and then put new taught lot playground and two to five playground

489
01:59:44,220 --> 01:59:51,740
around as well as paving the current gravel parking lot into a paved parking lot.

490
01:59:52,700 --> 01:59:59,360
We would also add another parking lot on the south side that would wrap around to the west side parking.

491
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,120
Existing parking lot.

492
02:00:05,010 --> 02:00:12,610
A amenity area 1 would be the 4 new fields. A amenity area 2 is everything

493
02:00:12,610 --> 02:00:17,650
you see in blue on the left. So the renovation of the 3 fields, the parking lot, T-ball field.

494
02:00:18,230 --> 02:00:25,730
A amenity area 3 are the 2 warm up fields. The plaza renovation, restroom, and renovation

495
02:00:25,730 --> 02:00:28,570
of the, uh, another softball field.

496
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:37,120
Just highlights that on this graphic, four fields, parking lot,

497
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,120
and then the east side.

498
02:00:42,350 --> 02:00:47,070
All right, Margaret, as a Vito community park, this one, here's what's,

499
02:00:47,090 --> 02:00:52,650
what is there now? So there's a lot of topography to this site. Um, so we wanted to maximize what we

500
02:00:52,650 --> 02:00:58,630
could do for soccer here. Um, so as you come in, there's a nice existing parking lot. There is, uh,

501
02:00:58,630 --> 02:01:06,630
one softball field and then two full-size soccer fields with a playground, a

502
02:01:07,170 --> 02:01:10,690
restroom concession, and picnic areas.

503
02:01:12,820 --> 02:01:14,640
There's another view of it so you can see

504
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:15,860
the topography of the site.

505
02:01:20,740 --> 02:01:23,100
All right so in our master plan like I was saying we

506
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:28,940
wanted to consolidate into mainly soccer here so eliminated that one softball

507
02:01:28,940 --> 02:01:32,560
fields so we're able to fit for full-size soccer fields.

508
02:01:33,220 --> 02:01:36,060
They would be terrorists, the two remaining would be renovated.

509
02:01:36,540 --> 02:01:42,140
We'd add the two with plenty of access ramp stairs, all those types of things to easily

510
02:01:42,140 --> 02:01:44,540
access the soccer fields.

511
02:01:44,540 --> 02:01:51,200
We extended the parking lot to the south and then also extended it to the north.

512
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:56,640
So, it would have plenty of parking to support the extra fields.

513
02:01:56,840 --> 02:02:02,200
We would renovate the playground and add more shade elements, renovate the rest room,

514
02:02:02,380 --> 02:02:02,700
concession.

515
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:09,160
Since this site does have a lot of topography, we could potentially do on-grade play

516
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:12,760
elements, so like a slide in the hillside, some unique elements like that.

517
02:02:13,340 --> 02:02:18,440
And we would utilize the upper terrace, again with the parking, and then some multi-use

518
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:24,920
courts and volleyball, grass area, picnic, maybe some yard games, so just

519
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:30,180
maximizing what we can do here and taking advantage of the topography of the

520
02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:30,460
site.

521
02:02:33,220 --> 02:02:37,660
All right, here's the different amenity areas. So amenity area one, that

522
02:02:37,660 --> 02:02:42,920
would be all the soccer fields course because that would be our big renovation

523
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:52,040
here, adding two fields and renovating two fields, also adding the southern parking lot extension.

524
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:59,230
Area 2 would be the central hub area, so the playground, the picnic, restroom,

525
02:02:59,930 --> 02:03:05,050
shade elements, on-grade play swings, all those types of amenities there in that hub.

526
02:03:06,110 --> 02:03:12,150
And a amenity area 3, so that would be the parking, and then that upper terrace area with

527
02:03:12,150 --> 02:03:19,210
the additional parking, multi use courts, yard game elements, turf, picnic, those types

528
02:03:19,210 --> 02:03:19,570
of themes.

529
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:29,070
Okay, this is the consolidation at a glance. So Kathy Lung, like we said,

530
02:03:29,190 --> 02:03:36,430
we got a total of eight fields now for softball. Margaret Zavito has a total of four soccer

531
02:03:36,430 --> 02:03:43,330
fields, and then Whitney Park would maintain the four softball fields and then add an additional

532
02:03:43,330 --> 02:03:45,150
in all three full size soccer fields.

533
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:52,060
Priority in phasing, so as I said, we haven't phased within the parks, but

534
02:03:52,660 --> 02:03:57,000
we did look at the order to phase the renovations on the park.

535
02:03:57,140 --> 02:04:01,200
So phase one would be Whitney Park, because it has most flexibility.

536
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:03,560
It's just undeveloped open space right now.

537
02:04:04,180 --> 02:04:08,200
They can continue with the programming as is now with the sports.

538
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:17,720
But Kathy Lung Partt would be number two, and then Margaret Asavito would be third in

539
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:18,240
the phasing.

540
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:27,380
And, you know, mainly came up with this just to keep programming as is, and to work

541
02:04:27,380 --> 02:04:29,540
with the construction and phasing in the best way.

542
02:04:31,140 --> 02:04:37,980
And we just want to thank everyone for their conglub, can't speak today, collaboration and

543
02:04:37,980 --> 02:04:38,300
input.

544
02:04:38,300 --> 02:04:43,840
And it was really cool just to see how the community came out and supported and gave their opinion.

545
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:46,540
And we were really happy to be a part of it.

546
02:04:46,760 --> 02:04:49,080
Also working with the city, it's been wonderful.

547
02:04:50,060 --> 02:04:50,580
Thank you, guys.

548
02:04:50,900 --> 02:04:51,220
Thank you.

549
02:04:52,300 --> 02:04:52,940
All right.

550
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:57,360
All

551
02:04:59,470 --> 02:04:59,910
right.

552
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:07,120
So I'll just open this up for any questions by council members.

553
02:05:09,940 --> 02:05:21,360
So on Whitney Park in the existing layout, there are two fields that are shown as softball,

554
02:05:22,300 --> 02:05:25,200
and I thought they were all baseball fields today.

555
02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:25,240
Okay.

556
02:05:27,230 --> 02:05:34,650
So Whitney Park, I believe they are all softball with little league baseball.

557
02:05:34,910 --> 02:05:35,410
That is correct.

558
02:05:35,550 --> 02:05:36,650
That is little league baseball fields.

559
02:05:36,770 --> 02:05:36,810
Yes.

560
02:05:36,990 --> 02:05:37,110
Yes.

561
02:05:37,970 --> 02:05:38,410
He's right.

562
02:05:38,890 --> 02:05:39,190
Yes.

563
02:05:40,170 --> 02:05:41,650
So they're baseball.

564
02:05:42,210 --> 02:05:42,890
They are baseball.

565
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:44,470
They are labeled incorrectly here.

566
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:45,630
They're baseball fields.

567
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:46,130
All baseball.

568
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:46,590
Okay.

569
02:05:47,070 --> 02:05:49,450
And we're not proposing to make them softball, but we're not.

570
02:05:49,450 --> 02:05:49,990
No, we're not.

571
02:05:50,150 --> 02:05:50,810
Keeping as is.

572
02:05:51,250 --> 02:05:51,450
Okay.

573
02:05:52,210 --> 02:05:52,370
All right.

574
02:05:52,370 --> 02:06:12,550
And then, you know, I know there's a big interest in cricket, and I don't want that, you know, there's a mention of doing something at Twinox, I just don't want that to fall off the radar by not having anything in three parks any room for cricket.

575
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:23,590
So we absolutely agree, we are engaged with the local cricket players and we do want to prioritize finding them a home to play in town.

576
02:06:23,870 --> 02:06:24,230
Absolutely.

577
02:06:27,090 --> 02:06:27,810
Thank you.

578
02:06:27,970 --> 02:06:28,450
Anything else?

579
02:06:29,850 --> 02:06:30,010
All right.

580
02:06:30,350 --> 02:06:32,750
Well, I appreciate you know, I've gone to a couple of these.

581
02:06:33,530 --> 02:06:37,810
I just appreciate your outreach to everyone and giving us a vision obviously.

582
02:06:39,890 --> 02:06:43,770
I guess it's just to reiterate, there's no funding for this.

583
02:06:43,770 --> 02:06:45,850
And we're not proposing, we're going to be paying for it.

584
02:06:45,930 --> 02:06:53,730
This is really just to make it so that we have something in place in the event that we were just talking about with the firefighters.

585
02:06:53,830 --> 02:07:00,470
We go out, we get funding, and since we've got something already, is that kind of the thought process that we have something to show?

586
02:07:00,690 --> 02:07:01,570
That's exactly right.

587
02:07:01,770 --> 02:07:07,970
Most funders of amenities like this like to see an approved master plan before they fund something at this level.

588
02:07:08,170 --> 02:07:11,970
So that is the hope that this is preparing us to go after those funding opportunities.

589
02:07:11,970 --> 02:07:12,110
Please.

590
02:07:12,630 --> 02:07:12,870
All right.

591
02:07:13,090 --> 02:07:13,370
Thank you.

592
02:07:14,230 --> 02:07:14,730
All right.

593
02:07:14,930 --> 02:07:19,550
If there's nothing else from council members regarding questions, then I'm going to open

594
02:07:19,550 --> 02:07:22,590
this up for public comment first and foremost.

595
02:07:22,770 --> 02:07:23,090
Thank you.

596
02:07:23,410 --> 02:07:23,570
Yeah.

597
02:07:23,710 --> 02:07:24,090
Thank you.

598
02:07:25,930 --> 02:07:26,730
Mayor Basque.

599
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:26,970
We do.

600
02:07:27,650 --> 02:07:30,830
And just so you know, and I'll make it more known next time.

601
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:35,950
We're going to not do the clapping at this point, since we want to just be able to get through

602
02:07:35,950 --> 02:07:36,170
everything.

603
02:07:36,270 --> 02:07:37,770
But I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm.

604
02:07:38,290 --> 02:07:38,590
Thank you.

605
02:07:39,890 --> 02:07:42,130
We do have a couple comment cards.

606
02:07:42,290 --> 02:07:46,730
The first speaker is Ms. Liza McCork, followed by Mr. Travis Taylor.

607
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:52,020
Just a reminder, we do give three minutes.

608
02:07:52,200 --> 02:07:57,180
That's when the buzzer starts going off, and it starts to get yellow at 30 seconds in.

609
02:07:59,210 --> 02:08:00,530
Thank you, Mayor Basson.

610
02:08:00,950 --> 02:08:05,850
Council members, my name is Liza McGurk, and I proudly serve on the Rockland Parks Commission.

611
02:08:05,850 --> 02:08:11,430
And I'm here tonight to express my support for this Northwest Community Master Plan.

612
02:08:12,630 --> 02:08:16,490
And I'm a parks commissioner, but I'm also an active community member and

613
02:08:16,490 --> 02:08:23,850
a mom of three really active boys, two of which are teenagers who love to engage in the parks in our community.

614
02:08:23,850 --> 02:08:26,350
They're in lots of sports and so we use them regularly.

615
02:08:28,410 --> 02:08:35,830
And so from my perspective on the commission through this process, I think the department has done a really great job in terms of

616
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:41,070
thoughtfully planning this out and making community engagement foundation for the plan.

617
02:08:41,730 --> 02:08:47,810
They've done multiple public meetings, both virtually and in person, done directed outreach to stakeholders.

618
02:08:48,570 --> 02:08:52,810
And so the plan before you really represents community engagement as a basis and

619
02:08:52,810 --> 02:08:56,110
you see a lot of that reflected in the plan before you today.

620
02:08:57,470 --> 02:09:02,370
And so I do want to just thank the park's firm and you have a wonderful park's director and staff.

621
02:09:02,370 --> 02:09:05,130
They're amazing and they do such a great job for this city.

622
02:09:05,130 --> 02:09:06,970
So thank you to them for that.

623
02:09:07,770 --> 02:09:12,870
One of the things that I very much appreciate about living here in Rockland are parks and open spaces.

624
02:09:13,650 --> 02:09:18,470
And I think this plan gives the city the ability to continue to plan for the future.

625
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:22,870
And that foundation that will be there should funding become available.

626
02:09:23,070 --> 02:09:26,650
Often times when funding is available, it can be limited term.

627
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:33,570
And so now you have a plan before you that was based on community input that you can execute projects quickly if you choose to do so.

628
02:09:33,570 --> 02:09:37,450
So, again, I support the plan and appreciate your time today.

629
02:09:37,550 --> 02:09:38,210
Thank you very much.

630
02:09:38,510 --> 02:09:38,790
Thank you.

631
02:09:48,270 --> 02:09:49,010
Good evening.

632
02:09:49,330 --> 02:09:50,270
Mayor and council members.

633
02:09:51,070 --> 02:09:52,090
My name is Travis Taylor.

634
02:09:52,270 --> 02:09:54,870
I'm a Rockland resident and a youth sports parent.

635
02:09:55,610 --> 02:09:58,910
I grew up in the area and moved to Rockland over eight years ago.

636
02:09:58,910 --> 02:09:59,970
and that's it.

637
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:28,580
Short time, my family's had more experience with you sports than we had ever anticipated. Rockland FC, Tri-City Baseball, Rockland The Cross, next level Rockland, and now Rockland Junior Thunder Football. These programs are driven by volunteers, doing what they can, with the fields that they have. So our youth have the best experiences possible. The same issue comes up time again, more kids, more teams, and more demand for playing fields each season.

638
02:10:28,580 --> 02:10:34,100
It's been more pronounced as we've seen with the Junior Thunder, the more conversations

639
02:10:34,100 --> 02:10:40,380
that we've had with coaches, other parents, board members across both Junior Thunder and

640
02:10:40,380 --> 02:10:41,620
the Junior Wildcats.

641
02:10:42,780 --> 02:10:48,180
The more that we've learned that our youth football and cheer programs need additional space.

642
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:57,420
So today, the president of Rockland Junior Thunder and Whitney Junior Wildcats submitted a

643
02:10:57,420 --> 02:11:03,480
joint letter to you, together they serve nearly 600 kids, each fall of the overwhelming

644
02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:05,160
and majority of them, Rockland residents.

645
02:11:05,820 --> 02:11:09,800
Their request is simple, they support the park's master plan and

646
02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:14,080
the tremendous amount of work and collaboration and openness that's gone into it.

647
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:23,800
They ask that football be included as an intended use at Whitney Community Park with one of the multipurpose fields

648
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:29,720
sites and surfaced so football and sheer can use it alongside other sports.

649
02:11:30,740 --> 02:11:35,360
We understand the configuration is subject to change and welcome the opportunity to work

650
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:40,860
cooperatively to ensure the design can accommodate multiple sports including football.

651
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:47,540
And as you give direction to staff tonight, we respectfully ask that you include youth football

652
02:11:47,540 --> 02:11:50,900
as an intent to do so in the plan for Whitney Community Park.

653
02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:51,800
Thank you.

654
02:11:52,300 --> 02:11:52,840
Thank you.

655
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:53,660
I'm

656
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:59,780
Mayor Bass, we do have a hand raised on Zoom.

657
02:12:00,380 --> 02:12:00,480
Great.

658
02:12:12,670 --> 02:12:13,030
Hello.

659
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:21,870
My name is Brandon Mullins, and this doesn't directly relate to this particular park instances.

660
02:12:22,230 --> 02:12:26,390
I've been a resident here in Rockland for a little bit over 10 years.

661
02:12:26,610 --> 02:12:28,110
I've raised three kids here.

662
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:29,710
All adults now.

663
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:33,190
But I did want to put on kind of the radar.

664
02:12:33,190 --> 02:12:40,830
are there's some space between Rock Creek Elementary School and the Rock Creek development

665
02:12:40,830 --> 02:12:42,370
there that is open space.

666
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:50,110
And that particular space is supposed to be off limits, but there's a huge amount of

667
02:12:50,110 --> 02:12:58,690
traffic that walks down, rides their dirt bikes, rides their bikes along the fence path there,

668
02:12:58,690 --> 02:13:04,570
which has caused damage to a number of the neighbors. Fencing there has also

669
02:13:04,570 --> 02:13:09,390
created issues with I think with flooding during heavy rain seasons,

670
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:15,490
water flooding into the backyards along that strip there. And I was wondering is

671
02:13:15,490 --> 02:13:23,250
there any plans I know they have they've put up a post with very flimsy chain

672
02:13:23,250 --> 02:13:26,730
I mean that people continue to tear down to walk back there.

673
02:13:27,370 --> 02:13:37,230
Is there any other plan to, I guess, either deter that more, maybe offer those residents on that street a wall as opposed to fencing?

674
02:13:37,230 --> 02:13:40,210
I think that would be helpful as well.

675
02:13:40,810 --> 02:13:42,250
I just wanted to see if there's anything.

676
02:13:42,250 --> 02:13:53,090
I appreciate that and because it's not on the actual agenda what I'd like to do is just have staff reach out to you to be able to take the concern in what I'll do is direct.

677
02:13:54,970 --> 02:14:00,110
The parks director to be able to discuss that with you as well as maybe it might be a public's work as a issue.

678
02:14:00,310 --> 02:14:02,490
So we'll get your contact information and address it.

679
02:14:03,110 --> 02:14:05,250
Perfect. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

680
02:14:05,470 --> 02:14:05,770
Thank you.

681
02:14:05,770 --> 02:14:12,530
All right. Any other public comments? Yes, we do have.

682
02:14:18,760 --> 02:14:20,180
Good evening, Mayor. Council members.

683
02:14:20,620 --> 02:14:24,860
I'm Neil Bullock. I'm on Rockland's Parks and Recreation Commission. I was also on

684
02:14:24,860 --> 02:14:30,240
the subcommittee that was assigned to support staff in the process of the development of

685
02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:39,180
the master plan. And one of the things as a commission that we do is we hear on a regular

686
02:14:39,180 --> 02:14:44,300
basis from all the different sports programs that operate in our city and when you think

687
02:14:44,300 --> 02:14:50,340
cumulatively it's thousands of kids who are taking advantage of the facilities that

688
02:14:50,340 --> 02:14:55,700
we offer as a city. So, it's fantastic that we're trying to, I wouldn't say we're ahead

689
02:14:55,700 --> 02:14:59,660
of the curve because we're already under great pressure for the sports facilities.

690
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
We have, in the intensive use, but by putting in place plans like this, we have the opportunity to prepare for the future. And in due course, hopefully attract funding to support these developments. I just wanted to offer a few thoughts on sort of the process and so forth. But I think you probably appreciate that the consultant came to us already with a very well thought out initial plan that reflected really an enormous amount of work on

691
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:36,380
their part in terms of understanding what our needs are from the city, from a perspective

692
02:15:36,380 --> 02:15:43,340
certainly, but also the other users of our facilities. There were in a large number

693
02:15:43,340 --> 02:15:50,380
of public workshops. They were widely publicised, and we had pretty good attendance at all

694
02:15:50,380 --> 02:15:58,400
of those. They were well managed. And I think the plan that was presented tonight really reflects

695
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:02,760
the input that was received during the course of the process.

696
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:06,220
I had only two concerns, really, as we were going through,

697
02:16:06,460 --> 02:16:10,320
one was that the large number of ideas that were surfaced

698
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,900
during that process, whether they would actually be captured

699
02:16:13,900 --> 02:16:15,940
and with the opportunity of addressing them,

700
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:17,620
and I was pleased to see in the final presentation

701
02:16:18,100 --> 02:16:21,100
that a lot of attention was given to that,

702
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:25,300
that things weren't forgotten, they were identified and flagged

703
02:16:25,300 --> 02:16:27,560
as things that hopefully will be able to achieve

704
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:30,020
as we move forward.

705
02:16:31,320 --> 02:16:37,740
And then finally, participation by the general public in the workshops themselves seemed

706
02:16:37,740 --> 02:16:43,420
low, but we did receive a good number of written comments and so forth.

707
02:16:44,130 --> 02:16:49,980
And the consultant told us that actually the amount of feedback that we received was

708
02:16:49,980 --> 02:16:56,340
actually quite high compared to exercises that they've undertaken for other cities, which

709
02:16:56,340 --> 02:17:01,500
I think demonstrates that our residents are very interested in this process.

710
02:17:01,820 --> 02:17:07,280
So I'm very pleased with the culmination of all of this and I'm happy to support it and

711
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:09,500
I hope that you do too.

712
02:17:09,780 --> 02:17:10,240
And thank you.

713
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:10,800
Thank you.

714
02:17:12,300 --> 02:17:13,740
Any other public comments?

715
02:17:15,140 --> 02:17:15,420
No.

716
02:17:15,820 --> 02:17:16,120
All right.

717
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:21,340
I'll close the public comment period and bring it back to Council for any further discussions.

718
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:24,080
Any?

719
02:17:27,070 --> 02:17:27,310
All right.

720
02:17:27,310 --> 02:17:44,310
I do want to make just kind of a general comments for the maybe just the benefit of the record and for people here that one of the thoughts behind this also was, especially with sports complexes is that what people don't realize is that in

721
02:17:44,310 --> 02:17:49,990
It or in Plaster County are number one driver and tourism is actually youth sports.

722
02:17:50,930 --> 02:17:58,270
And so what that does, it allows for a stream of revenue of a tax base outside of our

723
02:17:58,270 --> 02:17:59,250
own tax base.

724
02:17:59,450 --> 02:18:05,270
And so the thought pattern is increasing the amount of opportunities for kids, but also being

725
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:09,710
able to bring in for say competitions and tournaments.

726
02:18:09,710 --> 02:18:20,350
And so you have to blend, you know, the everything that we needed for parks for our own people, but then also is there an opportunity to be able to bring people outside for those tournaments, et cetera.

727
02:18:20,490 --> 02:18:27,750
So I want to think that we're trying to be balanced in that approach and not just go full blown on, you know, tournaments and things like that.

728
02:18:28,890 --> 02:18:37,310
I do want to say that, you know, the direction that I do have is I did speak quite a bit with people that love cricket.

729
02:18:37,310 --> 02:19:07,290
and my mother-in-law's English and lives with us so I do know that there is definitely a contingent out there so I'd appreciate looking at that and then also and I think in the presentation we addressed it but the the football aspect and I know that could be a striping issue as well but I would say Travis also I'd like to get together with you and talk to you about another spot as well in an area that I'm looking to try and get renovation and working with Rockland Unified on a volunteer basis so I'm looking

730
02:19:07,290 --> 02:19:08,050
to talk to you about that.

731
02:19:09,290 --> 02:19:11,850
Is there any other direction for staff, all right?

732
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:14,010
Seeing none, I don't believe there's any vote.

733
02:19:14,490 --> 02:19:19,010
No, I want to say thank you to Sarah and the team

734
02:19:19,010 --> 02:19:21,410
at Milton Design Group and Veronica Tracey and her team.

735
02:19:21,410 --> 02:19:23,230
It has been a long process.

736
02:19:23,410 --> 02:19:25,610
And I think many of the Parks and Rex commissioners

737
02:19:25,610 --> 02:19:28,570
were also in attendance at every single meeting,

738
02:19:29,230 --> 02:19:31,190
providing feedback, listening to the residents.

739
02:19:31,390 --> 02:19:33,450
So really appreciate the collaborative approach we've taken.

740
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:35,030
The support from the city council,

741
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:41,770
This is part of your strategic plan as well and so seeing no major changes, what we'll

742
02:19:41,770 --> 02:19:49,070
do is we will kind of deem this the master plan and start working on a preliminary approach

743
02:19:49,070 --> 02:19:53,410
to work towards these other pieces and cricket has not been forgotten.

744
02:19:53,410 --> 02:19:59,350
It's just such a unique shape and need as well as that second dog park which may address

745
02:19:59,350 --> 02:19:59,890
some of the issues.

746
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,360
With the resident concerned, Rock Creek Elementary is adjacent to Sonora Park, so that's something that's been on our mind as well. Thank you. Thank you.

747
02:20:10,270 --> 02:20:18,430
All right. With that, I believe we are going to be moving on to our public hearing. Is there any request for a break? How is the staff doing?

748
02:20:20,760 --> 02:20:28,160
You're good? Good? All right. We will be opening now. Let me get to my agenda.

749
02:20:32,740 --> 02:20:37,320
So public hearings may be reordered by the mayor with the consented legislative body.

750
02:20:37,320 --> 02:20:41,880
we've done that. We are going to be opening this public hearing, this is

751
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:51,500
Midas Apartments, Design Review, DR2026-002, and Environmental ENV2026-008.

752
02:20:52,680 --> 02:20:57,300
I am, we are going to be hearing from Senior Planner, Ben and Smith Art, but first I'll just

753
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:02,580
let everyone know, lay a couple ground rules because we have had a couple of meetings so far,

754
02:21:02,580 --> 02:21:08,840
And it's been amazing that we've had a tremendous amount of support and engagement from the public.

755
02:21:09,420 --> 02:21:12,360
One of the things that makes that work is that we hear each other.

756
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:17,820
There's opponents, proponents, and some people I think are agnostic, but

757
02:21:17,820 --> 02:21:21,300
the most important thing is that obviously we stay respectful.

758
02:21:22,140 --> 02:21:25,200
Especially if someone else says something that we don't like, and

759
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:28,940
we've had some pretty serious hearings recently, and

760
02:21:28,940 --> 02:21:31,220
one of the great things is everyone's just been really respectful.

761
02:21:31,220 --> 02:21:36,420
So what I would ask is, this isn't to stop anyone's first amendment rights.

762
02:21:36,940 --> 02:21:40,520
Just for clapping, booing, hissing, we ask that nobody do that.

763
02:21:40,940 --> 02:21:44,060
Let's just get through the hearing to hear everybody, and there's two reasons for

764
02:21:44,060 --> 02:21:48,800
that. One is first to respect for the speaker and differing views in our democracy.

765
02:21:49,060 --> 02:21:52,920
And then the other one is, it helps us hear everyone.

766
02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:56,880
Because we have to make a decision and it makes a very clean record.

767
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:23,960
It doesn't discourage people from speaking and we want to be able to hear everyone that's going to speak so I'm not saying that you're not a lot to have opinions or shake your head and things like that because there might be times where you might not agree with something that said but in order for us to get through and be able to hear everybody I just ask that we not do that and so far we've had a really great council meetings on these types of issues so with that take it away.

768
02:22:23,960 --> 02:22:24,980
Good

769
02:22:27,160 --> 02:22:28,980
evening, Mayor and City Council.

770
02:22:29,240 --> 02:22:31,260
My name has been Smith Hart with the Planning Division.

771
02:22:31,520 --> 02:22:38,240
I'll be presenting the Midas Apartments Project, a design review for a multi-family residential community.

772
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:48,640
The project site is located northwest to the intersection of Midas Avenue and Pacific Street in the downtown Rockland area.

773
02:22:52,060 --> 02:22:59,020
The 7.1 acre site is currently undeveloped and primarily consists of annual grassland.

774
02:22:59,020 --> 02:23:03,660
Existing sidewalks run along Midas Avenue and Pacific Street.

775
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:20,190
The site is zoned high density residential in the Rockland general plan and is zoned planned development residential, 33 dwelling units per acre within the residential minimum density overlay mixed use zone.

776
02:23:21,350 --> 02:23:22,830
A residential zone.

777
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:33,680
The parcel was a part of the original 1893 town map historically uses of the site included the railroad yard and the lumber yard.

778
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:37,200
The site has been vacant since the early 1990s.

779
02:23:37,420 --> 02:23:50,940
Recent project approvals include the ZL Rockland Project, approved on June 24th, 2008, and the Rockland Gateway Project approved on June 13th, 2017, both approvals have since expired.

780
02:23:54,090 --> 02:24:04,690
The Rockland Gateway Project was a multi-family community approved in 2017, that included a reason in the adoption of a general development plan for the site.

781
02:24:04,690 --> 02:24:09,350
The project expired with the zoning and the general development plan remains.

782
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:27,520
A general biological assessment was completed for the site, the 7.1 acre project site is meaning annual grasslands with 23 native oaks and other trees.

783
02:24:33,580 --> 02:24:44,000
The project is a request for a design review to develop in our approximately 7.1 acreed undeveloped site with 100% affordable multi-family residential community called minus apartments.

784
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:54,260
The project includes construction of three multifamily buildings containing a total of 281 units along with the new parking lot,

785
02:24:54,460 --> 02:24:58,480
drive aisles, community facilities, playground and associate infrastructure.

786
02:24:58,980 --> 02:24:59,960
The project also includes-

787
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:03,780
There's a lot line adjustment to consolidate the existing parcels and to a single parcel.

788
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:32,590
The project consists of three residential buildings, building one in two, which are type A, each 64,740 square feet, while building three, which is type B, is 133,168 square feet, buildings one in two are located along Midas in Pacific Street, with building three being centrally located on the interior of the site, exterior materials,

789
02:25:32,590 --> 02:25:35,330
include board and baton sighting and cement plaster.

790
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:43,380
The elevations for the frontage buildings, these are the type A buildings.

791
02:25:43,820 --> 02:25:49,300
These are the buildings located along the frontage of the site, along minus Avenue in Pacific Street.

792
02:25:52,100 --> 02:25:57,560
The building type A floor plans are linear and run parallel to minus Avenue in Pacific Streets.

793
02:25:57,920 --> 02:25:59,020
Excuse me, is there someone?

794
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:02,320
You mentioned the elevations.

795
02:26:02,780 --> 02:26:07,560
Can you just go back to that slide because I don't think anybody could read anything that's on that slide.

796
02:26:07,560 --> 02:26:12,480
I mean, it was a point to show how-

797
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:13,440
Which slide right here?

798
02:26:14,060 --> 02:26:16,900
Yeah, I was thinking of that one just-

799
02:26:16,900 --> 02:26:20,860
A general visual of the buildings, just overall design.

800
02:26:21,540 --> 02:26:24,460
Just kind of doing an overview of the buildings proposed.

801
02:26:25,320 --> 02:26:28,360
So, yes, you cannot read it just looking at the buildings themselves.

802
02:26:30,060 --> 02:26:36,140
Okay, I just, I thought it'd be useful to hear like the heights when you were seeing that elevation.

803
02:26:36,460 --> 02:26:37,040
I can go into that.

804
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:45,420
Okay. Yes, so all the buildings are located, are four stories and are 48 feet high.

805
02:26:49,470 --> 02:26:52,220
Let's see how it proceeds with the floor plan.

806
02:26:54,360 --> 02:26:56,520
Then this is the type B building.

807
02:26:57,080 --> 02:27:03,220
So this is the building that's located more centrally on the side, also 48 feet.

808
02:27:03,220 --> 02:27:07,900
and it matches the architectural of the frontage buildings, the type 8 buildings.

809
02:27:11,720 --> 02:27:15,080
The project includes one, two, and three bedroom units.

810
02:27:15,620 --> 02:27:23,180
They range for 559 square feet for the one, and 1170 square feet for the three bedroom units.

811
02:27:24,700 --> 02:27:26,220
That's type A and type B.

812
02:27:29,340 --> 02:27:31,320
Exterior materials include a board and

813
02:27:31,320 --> 02:27:34,900
baton siding and cement plaster, per the project applicant.

814
02:27:34,900 --> 02:27:38,980
Again, there are three coordinated exterior color schemes that are proposed.

815
02:27:39,640 --> 02:27:45,360
An off-white and light gray palette is used on projecting building modules to emphasize

816
02:27:45,360 --> 02:27:48,580
particular architectural articulation.

817
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:55,060
An earthy sage green provides an organic accent color across portions of the building facade.

818
02:27:55,580 --> 02:27:59,400
And a dark charcoal slate gray is applied at the ground level.

819
02:27:59,400 --> 02:28:05,160
and on select recessed particle elements to establish a strong visual base.

820
02:28:09,780 --> 02:28:18,580
The conceptual landscape plan incorporates trees, shrubs, ground covers, granite boulders consistent with the citywide design guidelines.

821
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:22,440
The areas in green are the landscape areas and the shade trees.

822
02:28:25,260 --> 02:28:34,120
The project includes a corner monument at the intersection of minus Avenue and Pacific to provide a focal point at the entrance of the established downtown Rockland area.

823
02:28:34,120 --> 02:28:35,040
A

824
02:28:39,330 --> 02:28:44,630
PG&E transmission line easement is located at the west side of the project site.

825
02:28:44,910 --> 02:28:49,650
The project will be subject to the PG&E overhead power line planting guidelines.

826
02:28:50,030 --> 02:28:53,170
Essentially, the project will have to plant smaller trees in this area.

827
02:28:57,330 --> 02:28:59,650
Parking lot, lighting is reposed throughout the site.

828
02:29:00,290 --> 02:29:03,030
The light poles are proposed at 20 feet in height.

829
02:29:03,250 --> 02:29:07,310
The project submitted a photometric plan in support of the proposed lighting design.

830
02:29:07,310 --> 02:29:08,010
The

831
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:19,210
legal access to the project will be provided by two new driveways, one on Pacific and one on minus Avenue.

832
02:29:19,710 --> 02:29:25,570
Internal drive aisles would connect these interest to all proposed parking areas and buildings.

833
02:29:26,270 --> 02:29:29,410
On Pacific Street, a full access driveway is proposed.

834
02:29:30,010 --> 02:29:39,450
The existing opposing left turn pockets will be reconstructed as a continuous two way left turn lane within the center median area.

835
02:29:39,450 --> 02:29:40,490
On

836
02:29:42,730 --> 02:29:48,710
May the 7th, a right-in, right-out driveways proposed, conditions of approval include signage

837
02:29:48,710 --> 02:29:51,290
and an extended median to prevent unpermanent turns.

838
02:29:57,140 --> 02:29:59,960
The project includes the installation of various infrastructure-

839
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:22,060
Republicans to serve the development. The graphic illustrates some of the proposed utility systems. Blue represents water, green, or represents sewer, and red represents the underground stormwater detention system. The stormwater system consists of a series of 36-inch pipes designed to detain stormwater as a part of the overall drainage design.

840
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:33,860
Going into more general details about the project site, the site is served by multiple transportation options for future residents.

841
02:30:33,860 --> 02:30:43,960
Plus, our county transit has a stop by the property across the street next to the car wash and a couple blocks south of the site.

842
02:30:44,120 --> 02:30:53,400
There are bus stops, there are additionally bike lanes and sidewalks serving this general area that could be utilized by the residents.

843
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:07,860
So going into parking, the project proposes 381 parking spaces.

844
02:31:07,860 --> 02:31:19,180
It was originally proposed at 356 parking spaces, but in July, they revised the site to provide an extra 25 parking spaces.

845
02:31:19,700 --> 02:31:33,000
The project proposes to utilize the provisions of AB 2097, which prohibits the local agency from imposing minimum parking requirements on residential development located within one half mile of qualifying transit stop.

846
02:31:37,130 --> 02:31:57,590
Tyler Thompson with CalTLC conducted a site visit on February 2020-26, the Project Arporsd, a total of 31 trees were evaluated of which 23 are protected by size and species according to the City of Rockland Tree Preservation Origins, all of the trees are reposed for removal.

847
02:31:57,590 --> 02:31:58,470
The

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site is identified in the city's housing element, regional housing needs allocation inventory at site number 1-16 to help meet state mandated requirements for affordable housing.

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The project would provide 281 affordable units for households earning between 30 and 70% of the area median income with an overall average affordability of approximately 60% AMI.

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For reference, the current AMI in Plaster County,

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Rockland area is 124,000 for a family of four and 86,000 for a single person.

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According to 2026, California Department of Housing and Community Development, based figures.

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The Affordable Housing Development is subject to various housing laws adopted to streamline the development of affordable housing.

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The State Density Bonus Law allows for certain affordable housing developments to have waivers and

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concession to objective design standards that is requesting or has applied.

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I don't think it has one concession, but that's for the with the length of the parking stalls.

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So you won't be sure, then we typically allow and overhang into the landscape area to allow for

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or the feasibility of the project.

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The project was notified through publication in the newspaper,

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mailed notices to property owners within 600 feet of the site,

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and posting the public notices on the project site.

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The project applicant and form staff, they have completed the neighborhood outreach prior to the planning commission hearing.

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The project was evaluated using a CEQA guidelines section 15183 consistency analysis and checklists to confirm consistency

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with the applicable general plan and the viral impacts previously

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annifies the general plan EIR.

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Members of the public has expressed concerns, including but not limited to

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distribution of affordable housing throughout the city.

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Building density and neighborhood scale.

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Parking,

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Sequa,

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Noise,

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Utilities,

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this includes PG&E and

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Inter Morgan and Midasaph and you traffic in the railroad crossing.

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Staff has also prepared some of the historic and current estimated daily automobile trips

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have this in a larger format if you need me to come back to it but it's consistent.

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that essentially were in this...

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Around 1300 was the Al-Rachlan 1500.

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Therefore, the Planning Commission and staff recommends approval of the minus department's design review, subject to finding conditions outlined in the staff report. I'm available for any questions. The project applicant has prepared a presentation.

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The applicant can step on up and give a presentation.

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Good evening, mayor, vice mayor and council members.

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Thank you for the opportunity to present our affordable housing project here tonight.

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Before we begin, I just wanted to thank staff for all their efforts throughout this process.

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From the planning department, with Bennett, Arwin, and David, to Housing Department, Elizabeth Sorg, and the City Manager's office with Allie and Andrew.

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It's been great to work with staff, and we're excited to be here tonight.

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All right, you have our entire project team here today, I'm Orrin Hillel, senior director of development with Waterford Property Company.

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Our co-founder, Sean Rossin, is also in attendance.

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We are an affordable housing owner, operator, and developer throughout the state of California and in Texas.

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We have about 6,000 units in our portfolio, majority of which are rent restricted and a range of incomes.

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Our co-development partner is Cyprus equity with Laura.

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Good evening, everybody, good evening, community, good evening, mayor, council members.

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I'm Laura Kierstead, I'm a managing director with Cyprus equity.

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We are a multifamily developer since 2001.

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We have developed and invested in over 20,000 units across the country.

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And since 2015, have been an active affordable developer with over 2,500 units

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units that we've either acc rehabbed or developed, and we have an additional 2,000 units in our pipeline.

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Extremely excited to be bringing more affordable housing to California, which is our main focus.

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And I'll introduce Mary.

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Hi everyone, Mary, Waltering, I work for HRGA, which is the architecture firm on the project.

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So Mary is the lead architect with HRGA.

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We also have a local design team, TSD engineering with Chris Schultz.

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Kevin Leemy with Fremyn Leemy who's also here in attendance tonight.

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EPD solutions is our sequin environmental consultant.

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We have Connie and then we have a couple other people from the team on Zoom.

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And then not here tonight, but a big part of the project is specific housing.

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There are nonprofit partner on the project and also will be the service provider at the property in operation.

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So they will be in charge.

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This will be a large family project targeted towards families.

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There will be services ranging from all ages.

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is so children with after-school teen programs, tutoring teen programs with leadership skills, and then even adult programs with financial literacy and resume building.

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So Pacific housing is a big part of this project.

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There is a lot of history to this site, obviously has been it just outlined.

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This site was previously approved twice, most recently in 2017.

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The applicant in 2017, a portion of that applicant is still the owner today.

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We've been working with that owner for about two years now on this project.

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We really decided to move forward about a year and a half ago when discussions started with program 10 and

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the addendum for the housing element when this site was included and identified in the rena housing element.

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So since then, really kind of late summer of last year after this was adopted in August is when we started to work with city staff hand in hand.

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We came and presented a few site planning options, talked about feasibility, and ultimately went through the entitlement process starting late last year and early this year when we submitted RSP 330.

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Just to reiterate, I know Bennett gave a really good overview of the project already, but this site is, this project is a 281 unit project, is a family mix.

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This site was identified in the City of Rockland's housing element to be a large contributor to the RENA allocation.

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So this project will be contributing 278 affordable units with three manager units.

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As mentioned, they're ranging from 30% to 70% of the average.

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That is really workforce housing. That is $30,000 to $100,000 household incomes. So this is really focusing on much-needed workforce housing. The project has about 4,000 square feet of amenities and almost 2,000 square feet of that is the taught lot. And we'll go into more detail on the next slide here.

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So the amenities, you can see the taught lot in the center courtyard.

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There's also some turf areas, barbecues, there's a community space for residents to gather, hold parties, there is a resource room, as Orren was mentioning, Pacific Housing runs a lot of programming, so there's the space for that.

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The easements that were mentioned are, make this site a little bit unique to develop, there's the large PG&E easement.

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up along the railroad tracks on Midas Avenue, there is a drainage easement, and then on Pacific Street, there is an SP mud sewer easement as well.

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So we had to coordinate with all the utility providers in the city, obviously, to make sure that this project was built within those constraints.

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The corner monument we're really excited about, we've talked to Council about potentially engaging with the historic society.

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We'd love to do an ode to the past on that corner, if possible.

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We know they have some artifacts that are looking to be displayed one day, so we would love for that to happen here.

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I want to highlight the storm detention that was placed underground in that PG&E easement area.

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That is not the most cost effective way to build.

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We specifically did that to maximize parking count.

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I know that there's a lot of concern about traffic and having a parking on the site for people.

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We really tried to work with the city to maximize our parking on this site.

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And we've really, especially with that adjustment you heard, we added 25 stalls.

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That was that incentive we used to just make the parking stalls as efficient as possible.

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And we added as many stalls.

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Typically, we would do a above ground stormed attention system, but that would have taken 20 to 30 stalls away from this project.

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So with that, I'll hand it to Orrin to highlight some more parking history here.

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Yeah, on the parking, we knew that that was a big piece to this project.

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That would be a big piece to the community feedback.

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And although has been mentioned, this project is able to utilize AB 2097, that was not our intention.

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We've actually increased the parking every step of the way throughout this process.

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So we just wanted to kind of compare what was previously approved to today.

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So previously in 2017, there was 204 units approved with 268 spaces.

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That's a ratio of 1.3 per unit.

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Originally in our pre-application last year, we were at a lower ratio than that.

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But as Laura mentioned and Bennett mentioned, we've continued to increase parking.

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And today, the site plan in front of you has a ratio of 1.35 spaces per unit, which we thought was the best we could do, and hopefully that was appreciated that we continued to maximize it every chance we got.

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We wanted to highlight some of the architectural design, so Mary has a couple of things to say on that.

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Yeah, so I just wanted to explain our design to you.

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So our design approach for this project was to create a concept that aligned with the

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citywide guidelines while enhancing the surrounding neighborhood of streetscape.

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The project is not located within any of the architectural districts, but we are adjacent

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to the quarry district, so our design draws inspiration from the quarry district's design

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language and character.

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The buildings were strategically positioned along Pacific Amidus with the parking hidden behind them to create a sense of place and pedestrian safety by activating the street frontages with the visible building facades for the elevation.

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Our goal was to establish a strong visual rhythm through the use of materials, colors, and window patterns.

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The material palette consists primarily of cement plaster and vertical board and baton

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siding, which is complemented by a range of off-white, gray, and green tones.

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Through the use of the combination of materials and colors, the articulation help breaks down

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the massing of the four-story structure by reducing the perceived scale and creating

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a more pedestrian-friendly appearance.

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At the corner of each of the buildings, we've added the architectural feature of gable

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roofs.

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This element draws the inspiration from the Cory district, guidelines with the residential character being added to the overall building design.

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Group front forms along the elevation. We're designed at varying heights, which will also help further articulate the facade and reduce the visual scale of the project. Overall, our goal was to design a project that complements and enhances the neighborhood and creates a visual continuity with the surrounding contacts while also delivering a cohesive, attractive, and pedestrian friendly environment. I think one more piece I just wanted to touch on, because I know the roof height question came up during benign

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presentation. So as I mentioned we along the facade we have varying roof heights.

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Majority of the roof parapet is at 46 feet. In the center with the flat parapets it does

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vary between 46 and 48 but majority being at 46 and then we do have the corner gables.

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We just really want to create that architectural moment with the gable roofs at the corner.

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So those are slightly higher, but majority sits around 46.

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We thought it'd be helpful to outline a project timeline in next steps.

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And we know there's a lot of community speakers here tonight, so we'll go through this a little quickly.

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But we started due diligence, as I said, on the project about a year and a half ago.

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We submitted a pre-op to the city and worked with planning staff on that pre-application.

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In the end of summer of last year, we vested the project with SB 330 in January of this year and then formally submitted our entitlement application thereafter.

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We've been in the entitlement process since then, we did do community outreach.

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I know this was a topic that came up, we focused, I personally focused on the Pacific Street with the businesses while Garrett, who is my counterpart at Cyprus.

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went to about 500 feet on the residential side.

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Everything on the other side of the tracks is above that 600 feet.

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So it was all focused kind of on San Francisco and Midas, but

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we did go out there and pass out flyers.

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We received some really good feedback.

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I did especially from the small businesses that are there.

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Everybody from Lori's little shack to the liquor store, to the audio store.

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We door knocked and said hello and just show them the project and the flyer.

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So that was that process, then obviously we went to planning commission about a month ago to receive the recommendation to come here tonight.

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Our goal, if successful tonight, is to submit for a SIDLAC and T-CAC next month.

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It's the final round of this year for an allocation of funding.

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We believe the project will be extremely competitive if we do submit.

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If not, we are questioned to round one of next year, which is usually in February, but this timeline assumes that we can hopefully submit next month.

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and that would put us under some timelines

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as our construction by summer of next year

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with an opening projected in early 2029.

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That's our project timeline.

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We've also, I think one thing to mention too,

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are on our partnership and on the allocation funding.

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Just one thing I wanted to highlight

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is that site person Waterford are unique in the sense

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that we actually contribute,

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developer equity and affordable housing projects.

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So today, every affordable housing project has a big financing gap, where sources do not meet the uses.

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Construction costs, financing costs have increased, but the sources are not matching that.

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So there are big financing gaps to these projects.

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Our partnership is unique and rare for a developer to actually contribute developer equity into these projects.

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That's what allows us to actually move quickly through these processes and submit for

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funding sooner than other projects would that have to go through other funding sources.

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Just to end, this project is a project that delivers affordable housing at the location

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that it was designated for in the city's housing element.

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We have truly enjoyed working with staff up to this point.

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We're happy to answer any additional questions.

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We have a lot of exhibits prepared if there's anything specific to discuss, but look forward

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to answering additional questions.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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So we want to start with questions for the applicant, questions for staff.

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We'll do both.

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Do you want to start out?

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Sure.

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Go for it.

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So these are questions for, I'll start off with staff.

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So there's a lot of concern from residents about the traffic on Midas.

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That's a consistent theme that we hear.

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If we were to not have a right in, right out on Midas, and turn that into an emergency vehicle access point only, would that be okay?

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So, so the question is you want to, so we have the Pacific Midas, Midas, becoming an EVA for traffic purposes, just for

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for pleasure.

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Instead of having it be, you know, an entrance of the complex, just to have the one entrance on Pacific.

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Just then the EVA, so with, with the Midas, I mean traffic, if they're wanting to take drive, they might just go a different direction on there.

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We did, throughout the process, my colleagues in Fire and Public Safety did review it, and if it was an EVA, they would be able to serve the site as well.

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But likely traffic would funnel if they're going west down Midas, folks might take Pacific and go there as well.

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Well, okay, so it wouldn't likely change the trips, they would have to go around the site there.

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Okay,

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but what you're saying is, if we eliminated the public entrance on Midas, that would be okay.

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It would be okay with the fire department, and that's typically the baseline is life safety.

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Okay, the other thing I saw in the car trips, can you explain the gateway project

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I saw the number of 1356 and it had about 70 plus units less, but we're saying the car trips for this one would be about the same, even though it's got more units.

1041
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How does that work out?

1042
02:51:44,770 --> 02:51:53,710
Correct, so for the two, since this one is a 100% affordable housing development, there's a different category in the ITE.

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That's the traffic manual for this type of data for affordable housing.

1044
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It assumes less trips for affordable housing development.

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So in the traffic analysis, this project prepared,

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they gave the numbers in the affordable housing category, which is lower than the mid-rise market rate.

1047
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Okay, so it ends up being the same because of the type of units that are being built.

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Correct.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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Can I ask?

1052
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So because I tried to download the trip generation manual and obviously it comes with a price.

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My question is, do you know what the fundamental belief is or what was the mechanism that they or studies they used to say that affordable housing has less trips than market rate?

1054
02:52:49,590 --> 02:53:05,390
is it just maybe because the type of personal lives there is a maybe older or income limited so they just go less places does anybody have an answer to that I'll start with staff and then maybe I'll ask the applicant but do we have an answer for that?

1055
02:53:06,550 --> 02:53:09,950
I don't know exactly I'm looking at David did you want to?

1056
02:53:09,950 --> 02:53:10,810
So,

1057
02:53:14,970 --> 02:53:34,630
David Mollembrooke Community Development Director, so as Bennett mentioned the sort of the beginning point of traffic studies is using the Institute of Traffic Engineers Manual to determine the number of trips that a particular project is going to generate the manuals used by traffic professionals,

1058
02:53:34,630 --> 02:53:38,730
those CalTrans, others that do these traffic studies or traffic analyses.

1059
02:53:39,430 --> 02:53:45,730
The way they get their data is based upon surveys of actual existing locations.

1060
02:53:45,990 --> 02:53:48,770
So they go out and survey a market rate apartment,

1061
02:53:49,290 --> 02:53:53,810
they'll survey an affordable housing project and based on multiple surveys,

1062
02:53:53,810 --> 02:53:58,570
they came up with an average trip generation rate for the different types of land uses,

1063
02:53:58,810 --> 02:54:02,730
not just affordable housing but commercial projects, industrial projects,

1064
02:54:03,430 --> 02:54:04,930
projects, that type of thing.

1065
02:54:05,050 --> 02:54:08,870
It's all based on surveys that this group of engineers goes out and

1066
02:54:08,870 --> 02:54:11,470
conducts and then they come up with that average number.

1067
02:54:12,170 --> 02:54:12,290
Okay.

1068
02:54:12,630 --> 02:54:12,950
Thank you.

1069
02:54:13,570 --> 02:54:14,210
You're welcome.

1070
02:54:15,890 --> 02:54:19,770
Since we're on the topic of traffic, I did have a couple more questions.

1071
02:54:20,130 --> 02:54:27,010
And I think it maybe it's going to be helpful if we also understand what we're doing here, right today.

1072
02:54:27,010 --> 02:54:37,330
Okay, so we have the recommendation is to adopt resolution proving a notice of exemption and then the other is approving a design review, right?

1073
02:54:38,970 --> 02:54:55,690
But we obviously need to address the issues that we think we're going to be raised tonight and when it comes to traffic, what is the considerations that the council has before it versus maybe what people might think of?

1074
02:54:55,690 --> 02:54:59,110
and I'm asking specifically vehicle miles traveled.

1075
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,260
It's loss of service, because I did see many people asking about that, and I think it's good for us to explain what it is that the state has said we have to consider. So the vehicle miles travel that is a relatively new section in Sequa analyzing how far our project is from all the amenities you use and places you go. So for the Sequa review part of the analysis was VMT to make sure.

1076
02:55:29,260 --> 02:55:32,380
or the project meets those standards.

1077
02:55:33,160 --> 02:55:36,460
Being in Rockland, this site is fairly close to everything.

1078
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:42,020
So the traffic analysis did conclude that no significant

1079
02:55:42,020 --> 02:55:48,120
impacts with VMT for the design review.

1080
02:55:48,340 --> 02:55:49,860
There are findings to be made.

1081
02:55:50,680 --> 02:55:55,380
One between the relationship between the site design surrounding development,

1082
02:55:55,520 --> 02:55:58,080
natural features and constraints and traffic flows.

1083
02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:05,360
So there are some findings within the RMC design review relating to the traffic aspects as well.

1084
02:56:06,140 --> 02:56:11,240
But when it comes to loss of service, and maybe this is an attorney question,

1085
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:18,160
but is loss of service something that goes into our consideration as to whether or not we can deny a project?

1086
02:56:19,120 --> 02:56:21,960
So the level of service, do you want to take that one as well?

1087
02:56:21,960 --> 02:56:23,400
So from

1088
02:56:28,040 --> 02:56:36,000
a from a secret perspective, as Bennett was explaining, the vehicle miles traveled came into effect in about 2020.

1089
02:56:36,480 --> 02:56:44,080
And it used to be that level of service was the metric for measuring impacts from a development project.

1090
02:56:44,100 --> 02:56:50,720
It was based upon the amount of delay that a driver would experience at an intersection or on a roadway segment.

1091
02:56:50,720 --> 02:57:01,580
And the minds that be changed that to vehicles mile, vehicle miles traveled, and that's the new metric for looking at

1092
02:57:02,380 --> 02:57:04,660
vehicular impacts under SEQUA.

1093
02:57:04,960 --> 02:57:11,960
It would also note that the guidelines that have been put out by what formerly was the office of planning and

1094
02:57:11,960 --> 02:57:19,280
research allow for an affordable housing project to be considered exempt from a VMT analysis.

1095
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:27,300
So there's that consideration, too, for what went into the CEQA document in the VMT study that the applicant performed.

1096
02:57:29,020 --> 02:57:29,500
Thank you.

1097
02:57:30,320 --> 02:57:39,540
Just for purposes of the record, I just want to know that I believe it's public resources code 21099B2, CEQA guidelines 1506 4.3.

1098
02:57:39,940 --> 02:57:45,060
That automobile delay, LOS, shall not constitute a significant environmental impact.

1099
02:57:45,060 --> 02:57:50,020
That's from citizens for positive growth and preservation, the City of Sacramento 2019.

1100
02:57:50,480 --> 02:57:50,740
I

1101
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:55,460
have questions about traffic, we can keep going.

1102
02:57:59,600 --> 02:57:59,880
Mr. Mayor.

1103
02:58:00,500 --> 02:58:06,780
So, David, could you come back, sorry, I just wanted to kind of plain English there.

1104
02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:15,020
So basically, the state says that traffic impacts when it comes to affordable housing doesn't matter.

1105
02:58:15,440 --> 02:58:18,640
If it's 100% affordable housing project, you're correct.

1106
02:58:18,920 --> 02:58:19,560
It doesn't matter.

1107
02:58:19,740 --> 02:58:20,660
Yes, they don't care.

1108
02:58:20,660 --> 02:58:49,800
I guess there's other exemptions like if you have a local serving retail that's at 50,000 square feet or less cumulative that's considered to be exempt from SQL 2 because by placing a local serving retail project where there isn't one, you're now shortening trips where people are going farther away to get to the grocery store, but if you put something closer that reduces the trip.

1109
02:58:49,800 --> 02:59:06,340
I think the theory, our philosophy on affordable housing is similar to what we're just discussing about in IT trip generation manual is that generally speaking, you don't get as many trips coming from an affordable housing project site as you would a market rate site.

1110
02:59:10,280 --> 02:59:17,320
Okay, just on the question, how many guest spots are there in this parking scheme?

1111
02:59:23,280 --> 02:59:29,040
These stalls will not be assigned, so we don't have specific guest stalls labeled in the parking lot.

1112
02:59:29,820 --> 02:59:31,580
There will be no assigned parking?

1113
02:59:33,660 --> 02:59:34,140
No.

1114
02:59:35,260 --> 02:59:37,600
No assigned parking for anybody.

1115
02:59:37,800 --> 02:59:39,540
If I live there, there's no spot for me.

1116
02:59:40,280 --> 02:59:45,580
Yes, you will be rosy at stalls, so we don't have them labeled.

1117
02:59:46,320 --> 02:59:50,560
It's when you come home, you find an empty stall, so it's not that you can park.

1118
02:59:50,560 --> 02:59:56,200
Everyone will have parking passes so you can't bring six cars to the lot and park them there

1119
02:59:56,200 --> 02:59:59,380
It's that you'll have a parking pass and then when you

1120
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,920
You park in an available spot. So we don't assign specific guest stalls because we do it that way. If we had assigned stalls and you had a number painted on your stall, then we would have to allocate guest stalls, obviously, but it just doesn't make sense. We find that it works better to not have assigned parking stalls. Okay, and on your tandem spots are those. So this is where we start to kind of get back to where we want to be, which is we want to be able to hear the applicant and get through and then we can get to public comment.

1121
03:00:29,920 --> 03:00:30,500
Again, thank you.

1122
03:00:30,740 --> 03:00:32,040
Yeah, and this is not unusual.

1123
03:00:32,460 --> 03:00:33,760
This is what we do on all our buildings.

1124
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:35,600
This is very common for service parts projects.

1125
03:00:35,600 --> 03:00:36,320
I'm just trying to understand.

1126
03:00:36,500 --> 03:00:38,900
The tandem spots then are also not assigned.

1127
03:00:39,980 --> 03:00:40,620
That's correct.

1128
03:00:41,420 --> 03:00:48,240
Okay, so, I mean, how do the tandem spots get used?

1129
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:55,140
Because if you park in first and you're not going to do that because somebody could basically

1130
03:00:55,140 --> 03:00:57,300
block you in by parking behind you.

1131
03:00:58,400 --> 03:01:05,260
I do think we will need to assign the tandem spots, I swear, I'll definitely speak for two or three bedroom units.

1132
03:01:06,100 --> 03:01:06,340
Okay.

1133
03:01:06,780 --> 03:01:06,920
All right.

1134
03:01:07,360 --> 03:01:07,980
Thank you.

1135
03:01:08,220 --> 03:01:10,500
The problem is there's also an affordable housing regulation, right?

1136
03:01:10,580 --> 03:01:13,160
We can't assign the stalls to the units.

1137
03:01:13,580 --> 03:01:17,080
So that's not even, it's a regulated T-Caxid luck issue.

1138
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:17,740
Okay.

1139
03:01:18,900 --> 03:01:19,500
I'm sorry.

1140
03:01:19,720 --> 03:01:20,980
Well, it was a what issue?

1141
03:01:20,980 --> 03:01:28,240
We can't assign the stalls to the units, it's just part of the bonds, it's part of the rules.

1142
03:01:28,600 --> 03:01:30,160
So, it's not an artisan.

1143
03:01:30,280 --> 03:01:31,540
But you will for tandem.

1144
03:01:31,860 --> 03:01:35,920
We'll have to figure out some operation or requirement for that, but yeah, we typically don't.

1145
03:01:36,040 --> 03:01:36,320
Okay.

1146
03:01:38,620 --> 03:01:39,800
Thank you, Mr. Vice-President.

1147
03:01:41,680 --> 03:01:45,100
I absolutely, how many tandem parking spaces are there?

1148
03:01:45,500 --> 03:01:45,960
Exactly.

1149
03:01:49,340 --> 03:01:53,100
I think there's 30, so we'll just take 30.

1150
03:01:54,920 --> 03:02:08,060
The concern is, as the vice mayor has pointed out, and we don't have an answer, which I'm being asked to make a decision without an answer as it stands right now, which is hugely problematic for me.

1151
03:02:08,340 --> 03:02:22,680
So I need to understand if you're going to have tandem parking spaces, how are you going to manage that because if I live here and you're telling me that's open parking, and I need to go somewhere.

1152
03:02:22,680 --> 03:02:26,980
I'm certainly not going to pull far in with the risk of someone parking behind me.

1153
03:02:27,360 --> 03:02:34,780
So again, it would be very helpful for us to understand if there are 30 spaces, if they're not going to be used,

1154
03:02:35,020 --> 03:02:40,280
if there's no control and management of those, so it would certainly be helpful for me to understand.

1155
03:02:40,280 --> 03:02:43,960
I apologize, that's my mistake, that's my mistake, this hand I'm certain will be assigned.

1156
03:02:43,960 --> 03:02:54,320
So we do have, we do, we'll have a parking management plan, and our intention is to absolutely sign the TANM's Paces, so for the two and three-bedroom units.

1157
03:02:59,100 --> 03:03:03,020
Go ahead, Ms. Presbyter, I don't know, no, it's a free-for-all.

1158
03:03:03,620 --> 03:03:05,640
I've jumped in on the end of the song, keep going everybody.

1159
03:03:06,940 --> 03:03:10,720
Yeah, I had questions on parking as well, since we're talking about that.

1160
03:03:10,720 --> 03:03:11,580
So,

1161
03:03:14,080 --> 03:03:21,940
thank you for mentioning parking pass, so every tenet or at least every unit would have at least one parking pass.

1162
03:03:22,340 --> 03:03:28,600
And then how do you prioritize, how many three-bedroom units are there?

1163
03:03:31,530 --> 03:03:41,120
There is about, I would say, I think we have around 80 three-bedroom units, I think it's about 30% of the project.

1164
03:03:41,940 --> 03:03:44,660
35, 25 to 30% correct.

1165
03:03:45,240 --> 03:03:50,600
Okay, so you wouldn't have any problems filling up 30 tandem spots with 18 units.

1166
03:03:52,510 --> 03:03:59,640
So who is monitoring, and if there's a car park that doesn't have a pass, how does that get handled?

1167
03:04:00,100 --> 03:04:07,300
It will be staff, we would have to hire a parking operation staff member at the project at the site.

1168
03:04:07,300 --> 03:04:10,340
And do they tow or notify?

1169
03:04:11,720 --> 03:04:16,700
I think it's usually a notification process, and there's some time before they tow.

1170
03:04:17,600 --> 03:04:21,620
But I don't have the exact process, unfortunately.

1171
03:04:22,260 --> 03:04:26,140
And then what about managing parking off site?

1172
03:04:26,500 --> 03:04:34,600
Is there anything, any requirements for the tenants to not park off site or?

1173
03:04:34,600 --> 03:04:39,720
for no requirements and that's not part of the parking management on site.

1174
03:04:40,180 --> 03:04:45,260
So the complex is kind of silent on parking off site?

1175
03:04:45,540 --> 03:04:46,220
Yeah, correct.

1176
03:04:47,300 --> 03:04:52,700
I don't think that would be a, you know, part of the operation to be able to do that.

1177
03:04:53,080 --> 03:04:53,380
Okay.

1178
03:04:53,380 --> 03:04:59,340
If you reduced the buildings to three-storey, how many?

1179
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,920
What units would you lose? We would lose 25% of the project, so we would lose about 60, 75 units. And then how would that impact the parking ratio? Of course, that would greatly increase the parking ratio. If we kept the surface parking the same, that would absolutely demolish the financial feasibility of the project, but the parking ratio would be increased.

1180
03:05:30,580 --> 03:05:35,640
That's fine, I just wanted to understand kind of how it affected the parking ratio.

1181
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:44,920
We wouldn't meet the density minimums either, we would be down to about 29 units an acre, which can you please make sure you're speaking to the microphone just for the.

1182
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:50,960
I just did a quick math, we would be under the 33 units per acre required for this site, so we would have to redesign.

1183
03:05:50,960 --> 03:05:51,080
All right.

1184
03:05:51,560 --> 03:05:51,720
All right.

1185
03:05:53,160 --> 03:05:59,620
There was a mention and it could be either staff or the applicant about a PG&E line along

1186
03:05:59,620 --> 03:06:01,500
that back parking lot.

1187
03:06:02,100 --> 03:06:09,120
I think in your presentation or in on the overhead it showed a poll and I was looking at Google

1188
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:09,400
Map.

1189
03:06:10,040 --> 03:06:17,440
I don't know how new that is but it looks like the power lines end and I was wondering why that

1190
03:06:17,440 --> 03:06:18,760
wouldn't just be underground.

1191
03:06:22,170 --> 03:06:34,250
That is a transmission line, so it might be, you know, might be to PG&E, you know, might be simpler than just a standard one.

1192
03:06:34,250 --> 03:06:39,370
I mean, it's kind of in the middle of the party a lot, so I don't know what the plan is to move it.

1193
03:06:40,110 --> 03:06:49,330
Yeah, I think so Garrett might be on Zoom, who worked closely with PG&E on the easement area, if he's on there.

1194
03:06:49,330 --> 03:06:51,710
Maybe that's the back side of the project by phrasing his hand.

1195
03:06:52,250 --> 03:06:52,870
I'm here.

1196
03:06:53,130 --> 03:06:53,230
Yeah.

1197
03:06:53,490 --> 03:06:54,570
If I may.

1198
03:06:55,050 --> 03:06:55,870
Hello, everybody.

1199
03:06:56,890 --> 03:06:56,970
Yes.

1200
03:06:57,130 --> 03:07:02,810
So the PG&E has maintained and operated the transmission line for a long time out there.

1201
03:07:02,930 --> 03:07:08,910
It's been a staple and they have told us that they have no intentions of undergrounding this line

1202
03:07:08,910 --> 03:07:14,870
and asked us to work within their existing guidelines and design requirements

1203
03:07:14,870 --> 03:07:20,270
to construct our buildings in and around the existing transmission towers.

1204
03:07:20,470 --> 03:07:21,130
So those will remain.

1205
03:07:22,170 --> 03:07:26,290
We've all of our buildings are outside of the easement areas and

1206
03:07:26,290 --> 03:07:32,490
we've worked with PG&E to make sure that our planting meets their planting guidelines for the area as well.

1207
03:07:32,630 --> 03:07:37,650
So they have a large easement and we've worked within those easement restrictions.

1208
03:07:38,790 --> 03:07:42,810
Okay, so those poles are outside of the project?

1209
03:07:44,150 --> 03:07:58,630
They're within the project, but they are, right, they're within the project and we unfortunately don't have any authority to instruct or tell PG&E to underground those.

1210
03:07:59,190 --> 03:08:08,150
They're allowed to own and operate those at their discretion and they've told us they don't want to underground them and said that we need to build around them.

1211
03:08:08,930 --> 03:08:21,830
I can show you on this, I think yeah, so if you look at the Midas entry on the north side of the plan, on the south side of that entry, you come in, there's about three stalls and you'll see it blocked out, which just circles on it.

1212
03:08:22,050 --> 03:08:22,910
Gotcha, okay.

1213
03:08:25,550 --> 03:08:26,290
All right.

1214
03:08:26,530 --> 03:08:33,190
I just, I've seen all the TV commercials about undergrounding everything, so I'm a little puzzled why they couldn't underground this.

1215
03:08:33,190 --> 03:08:37,070
but can you,

1216
03:08:39,570 --> 03:08:59,130
does any, well, I just wanted to ask the question, we've got some resident commentary and questions about your proximity to a pipeline and what you're doing to protect your residents from any possible problems with the pipeline.

1217
03:08:59,130 --> 03:09:08,760
Sure, I could start and gear it, feel free to jump into, but we put together a couple slides on this topic.

1218
03:09:09,300 --> 03:09:13,700
This was something that we vetted during due diligence of the project.

1219
03:09:14,520 --> 03:09:18,220
So this is a pipeline operated by Kendra Morgan.

1220
03:09:18,760 --> 03:09:22,860
It runs thousands of miles throughout northern California and Nevada.

1221
03:09:23,720 --> 03:09:27,160
As you can see in this map here, it runs throughout Rockland,

1222
03:09:27,160 --> 03:09:31,440
a adjacent and nearby the tracks.

1223
03:09:32,420 --> 03:09:38,640
There is, as you could see here, multiple developments, housing, commercial, all around this pipeline.

1224
03:09:39,140 --> 03:09:45,260
It actually runs directly through a single family neighborhood right next to Sunset and Pacific.

1225
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:48,500
Next to the fuel tank facility for Kinder Morgan.

1226
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:55,740
We went through a process, and here just, you know, Vice Mayor Haldon, here are some of the setbacks to the project.

1227
03:09:55,740 --> 03:09:59,300
So, can your Morgan setbacks that they require?

1228
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:29,880
To nothing, for nothing to cross, the pipeline is actually two feet. We're about 21 feet, a little under 21 feet, from the pipeline to our property line, which is, you know, the start of kind of our project with some of the infrastructure. You are about 122 feet from the nearest corner of a residential building and then 188 feet from the central building three. Kendra Morgan, during our due diligence, came out, a field representative came out and marked.

1229
03:10:29,880 --> 03:10:34,860
to the pipeline, so we knew exactly where it was and was included in our plans.

1230
03:10:35,940 --> 03:10:39,240
They then reviewed our plans and issued us a no objection letter.

1231
03:10:40,340 --> 03:10:44,560
So Kendra Morgan reviewed our plans, they are obviously the owner operator.

1232
03:10:45,540 --> 03:10:51,120
They have been notified of this and had no objection to the project.

1233
03:10:52,820 --> 03:10:56,840
And then we also obviously have worked with the general contractor and

1234
03:10:56,840 --> 03:11:03,040
bridge ground construction on the pre-development who also reviewed the plans and the pipeline and had no issues as well or no concerns.

1235
03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:05,540
That was some of the work that we did.

1236
03:11:05,640 --> 03:11:11,200
I know this came up as an issue, but we thoroughly vetted it during due diligence.

1237
03:11:12,860 --> 03:11:14,140
Okay, keep asking a question.

1238
03:11:16,320 --> 03:11:20,220
So that pipeline, it doesn't, I know it was listed as gas on there.

1239
03:11:20,360 --> 03:11:24,200
It's not like liquefied natural gas or.

1240
03:11:24,200 --> 03:11:30,520
I think it's a hybrid pipeline that has aviation and fuel.

1241
03:11:31,660 --> 03:11:39,740
Yeah, it's a mixed petroleum line, so I think it goes to the plant and it's used for jet fuel, diesel and assortment of items.

1242
03:11:40,520 --> 03:11:41,560
And gasoline?

1243
03:11:41,960 --> 03:11:42,100
Yeah.

1244
03:11:46,910 --> 03:11:49,230
I did have questions on traffic and access.

1245
03:11:49,430 --> 03:11:54,090
I don't know if anyone else has questions on these other topics.

1246
03:11:54,090 --> 03:12:02,470
Okay, so it wasn't addressed how access is going to be modified from Pacific.

1247
03:12:02,850 --> 03:12:04,350
Do you have any diagram?

1248
03:12:04,670 --> 03:12:04,910
We do.

1249
03:12:05,290 --> 03:12:05,430
Yes.

1250
03:12:05,910 --> 03:12:07,830
We have for both Midas and Pacific.

1251
03:12:08,290 --> 03:12:13,370
This is a diagram that compares the previously approved project to our project.

1252
03:12:14,230 --> 03:12:17,930
As you can see, we are modifying, sorry, this is Midas.

1253
03:12:18,370 --> 03:12:23,370
We are modifying the two-way left-turn line that's currently there in the median, pulling

1254
03:12:23,370 --> 03:12:26,190
that back a little bit for the entrance into our project.

1255
03:12:30,170 --> 03:12:34,590
Okay, so how is left out of the project and it be handled?

1256
03:12:34,850 --> 03:12:37,430
So those kind of crisscross, it looks like.

1257
03:12:38,010 --> 03:12:39,790
It will be passed the left in.

1258
03:12:42,500 --> 03:12:48,060
Correct, the top diagram there shows the existing medians now that create two left turn pockets.

1259
03:12:48,940 --> 03:12:58,200
And the project will remove those and will have a right left dual turn function lane

1260
03:12:58,200 --> 03:13:04,940
installed. They basically have cars crossing over each other, those turning in from the left

1261
03:13:04,940 --> 03:13:10,860
and those turning out left kind of right. Correct. It will be a typical detail for that

1262
03:13:10,860 --> 03:13:15,880
that situation. And then what about access to the United Reynolds?

1263
03:13:17,980 --> 03:13:20,740
That will also be provided

1264
03:13:20,740 --> 03:13:25,720
via the new striping of the left and right turn lane.

1265
03:13:26,700 --> 03:13:32,260
Do you have another diagram that shows kind of that property?

1266
03:13:34,180 --> 03:13:39,680
This shows your 30-foot driveway, but the United Reynolds is a little further down to the right.

1267
03:13:41,300 --> 03:13:44,260
I don't see how folks can get in there based on this diagram.

1268
03:13:46,900 --> 03:13:55,300
If you can see that we're demoing on the top, there's an existing kind of left-turn pocket, I believe, that's created there.

1269
03:13:55,300 --> 03:14:02,640
So we'll be removing that limiting function, but we won't be revising the general scale or the

1270
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:10,040
functionality of that driveway. We'll just be providing more options to also service our new proposed driveway.

1271
03:14:11,830 --> 03:14:17,450
Okay, maybe I'm looking at the wrong one. So the lower image, the lower image removes all

1272
03:14:17,450 --> 03:14:25,290
islands, and it's just basically a wide open middle suicide lane for people to go whatever direction they want to go.

1273
03:14:27,510 --> 03:14:44,370
Yeah, I mean because I'm concerned about that, I don't know what else can be done, but because of that I can't imagine closing the minus side because now you're just pushing those folks, even more cars out onto minus or onto Pacific, they're going to end up making it right onto minus anyway.

1274
03:14:44,670 --> 03:14:52,150
So I don't know what else can be done about the access, but that looks a little dicey.

1275
03:14:55,650 --> 03:14:57,350
That's all I have for now, Mr. Mayor.

1276
03:14:57,350 --> 03:14:58,350
All right.

1277
03:14:59,230 --> 03:14:59,490
All right.

1278
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:28,800
Are we doing traffic, or are we having to tell me, open up any questions? How do you? Well, yeah, I mean, I've been letting, I mean, I can direct it. I mean, the way I was looking at is we could go over the issues as they've been raised both by the public before the public gets to speak. Traffic parking and access have been where we've been really heading. If there's other questions, the way I looked at it was project design, density, characters, one of the issues, infrastructure and safety, sequel, construction.

1279
03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:30,960
Those are the issues I saw raised.

1280
03:15:31,880 --> 03:15:37,140
I would say first, if there's any more questions on traffic, parking or access, let's ask those now.

1281
03:15:37,700 --> 03:15:38,780
And then we can move on to those.

1282
03:15:39,800 --> 03:15:42,200
I have some questions as well, but if you want to go first.

1283
03:15:42,580 --> 03:15:43,460
You got it, thank you.

1284
03:15:44,380 --> 03:15:49,460
At first, I do want to also mention that I had a phone conversation with the applicant, so thank you.

1285
03:15:49,640 --> 03:15:52,540
I always want to make sure that we have that open and out there.

1286
03:15:53,960 --> 03:15:56,360
I've got a list, traffic.

1287
03:15:56,740 --> 03:16:06,700
So certainly on, on minus, when we talk about is there a way we can eliminate that exit on minus and make it for emergency vehicles only.

1288
03:16:07,120 --> 03:16:15,740
Thinking about that minus exit, being honest, minus was never built to handle the amount of traffic that it has now.

1289
03:16:16,560 --> 03:16:20,280
It was, it just wasn't, it wasn't supposed to be this major collector street.

1290
03:16:20,280 --> 03:16:22,460
So that's why this is such an issue for our neighbors.

1291
03:16:24,680 --> 03:16:31,500
One of the things quite frankly that I would like to ask this council to do as part of this is reach out to the school district.

1292
03:16:31,900 --> 03:16:34,640
A big portion of our traffic is spring view of the middle school.

1293
03:16:35,300 --> 03:16:36,840
Again, there's a thousand students there.

1294
03:16:36,980 --> 03:16:39,900
It was never meant to be a school where parents drove their kids to school.

1295
03:16:41,020 --> 03:16:46,900
Probably gosh, eight, nine years ago the school district eliminated a lot of the bussaint that they had there.

1296
03:16:46,900 --> 03:16:54,100
I know that every, as I'm a school less professional, every bus is going to take 60 cars off the road.

1297
03:16:54,360 --> 03:16:57,320
So I am going to ask council if we could approach the school district.

1298
03:16:57,960 --> 03:17:05,300
We did in the industry, we were able to make some changes a few years ago to where they do get some reimbursement for the cost for transportation.

1299
03:17:05,880 --> 03:17:08,820
I'd like to see if we can get some busing back in to spring view.

1300
03:17:09,080 --> 03:17:11,860
I think it could make a huge difference for the neighbors if we could get.

1301
03:17:11,860 --> 03:17:19,820
And I know when Superintendent Stock was at Elk Grove where I was the director, we had

1302
03:17:19,820 --> 03:17:23,720
a school, because he was a very elementary, that had on Jackson Highway, it didn't have

1303
03:17:23,720 --> 03:17:28,760
any way for parents to park, so we did free busing, and it made a massive difference in

1304
03:17:28,760 --> 03:17:30,080
the traffic on Jackson Highway.

1305
03:17:30,380 --> 03:17:34,560
It's also the safest way for kids to get to school, so I'd like to see if we couldn't encourage

1306
03:17:34,560 --> 03:17:38,720
them to consider that and help us get some of the pressure off of Midas as a whole.

1307
03:17:39,600 --> 03:17:46,180
knowing Midas and that turn, the reason why I'm interested in not having an access on Midas

1308
03:17:46,180 --> 03:17:51,540
and making an emergency is simply because if you were in the back and you went to go right,

1309
03:17:52,040 --> 03:17:56,600
the temptation to flip around you, because not everybody's going down Midas,

1310
03:17:56,640 --> 03:18:02,600
most people are going to go out of the city on Pacific. I think that's a very strong

1311
03:18:03,860 --> 03:18:08,920
temptation there. So I think it's well worth our time to look into see what would be that

1312
03:18:08,920 --> 03:18:18,800
impact if we could do that. I think, in fact, you know, if you go, you have the site

1313
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:22,880
aerials on page three of the site aerials. Can I get you to go there?

1314
03:18:32,720 --> 03:18:34,060
So yeah, and it's

1315
03:18:34,060 --> 03:18:38,620
hard to see that, but because it's such a unique corner right there from where the tracks

1316
03:18:41,380 --> 03:18:44,920
And I say, if you're going to school, you may be going down Midas.

1317
03:18:45,220 --> 03:18:49,200
I think most people would be going out Pacific, so I want to keep people from coming out

1318
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:58,000
there out Midas and flipping around to get out to Pacific, because I don't know if there's

1319
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:01,100
going to be a block either, so you can't turn left, so it'd been a right turn only, so you

1320
03:19:01,100 --> 03:19:06,100
could go down there and make a U-turn, you shouldn't, but I can see that they would do that.

1321
03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:10,860
Because I see it all the day in time, I have to be honest with you, they do it now.

1322
03:19:11,220 --> 03:19:16,620
Or quite frankly, people pull in to where the mini-mart is, that little commercial center

1323
03:19:16,620 --> 03:19:21,300
right there, guilty is charged, I've done it myself, and pull in there and cut through

1324
03:19:21,300 --> 03:19:24,060
their parking lot to go out the other direction.

1325
03:19:24,540 --> 03:19:26,500
So I think that's really well worth looking at.

1326
03:19:28,880 --> 03:19:33,680
If you're looking at the slide on the top right, which is subject property, and you see

1327
03:19:33,680 --> 03:19:38,200
the little commercial center, and then right next to it on the left side, that little house,

1328
03:19:39,720 --> 03:19:43,680
that's where my husband grew up. I know this neighborhood. My mother lived in that house

1329
03:19:43,680 --> 03:19:47,720
70 years and died in that at 94 years old. So I know this neighborhood and I'm telling

1330
03:19:47,720 --> 03:19:52,920
you people will flip a UE because they do. They also will go around that back behind there,

1331
03:19:53,180 --> 03:19:58,040
the railroad access will turn around in there. So I think anything we could do to try and get people

1332
03:19:58,040 --> 03:19:59,280
a lot of pacific would be.

1333
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:28,980
Well worth our time to look at. On parking, and I know you said you don't have a parking management plan, but it's really important that we have a parking management plan because that was my thought, too. So somebody comes in and says I'm going to rent this spot and you go, well, I have 1.3 spots. So somebody says, well, they're all taken. I mean, how do you have a person come in and say, well, two of us work. I need two spots.

1334
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:30,580
What do you do with them?

1335
03:20:31,760 --> 03:20:33,800
Yeah, it's during operations.

1336
03:20:33,940 --> 03:20:38,160
It's usually so more than one spot is for the two or three bedrooms and it's first come first serve.

1337
03:20:38,900 --> 03:20:39,940
So it's for the one bedrooms.

1338
03:20:40,280 --> 03:20:44,340
They get one spot and for the two and three bedrooms that apply first come first serve.

1339
03:20:44,440 --> 03:20:47,240
They get the option to have two spots if they need it.

1340
03:20:48,900 --> 03:20:51,480
So what do you tell them to do if they have two cars?

1341
03:20:53,660 --> 03:20:55,800
That is a good question.

1342
03:20:55,800 --> 03:21:05,420
I don't know if we have an answer to that, usually what we found in our communities where we do have a lower parking ratios that are about one space per unit.

1343
03:21:05,960 --> 03:21:11,180
There is sufficient public transportation that they take versus cars.

1344
03:21:13,320 --> 03:21:16,920
I'm Sean Ross in the co-founder of Waterford, I wanted to just add to that.

1345
03:21:17,620 --> 03:21:20,260
So your point in parking is a really good question.

1346
03:21:20,260 --> 03:21:25,500
So we operate as Orrin began our presentation about 6,500 units.

1347
03:21:25,860 --> 03:21:27,740
We've never sold an affordable housing project.

1348
03:21:28,420 --> 03:21:32,460
So to your point, and I'd heard some questions about offsite parking.

1349
03:21:33,240 --> 03:21:37,720
So the tannins are assigned and then we work with our management team.

1350
03:21:37,880 --> 03:21:43,120
What's unique about affordable housing projects is if you look at market rate projects,

1351
03:21:43,380 --> 03:21:47,400
typically about 60% of the tenants turn over on an annual basis.

1352
03:21:47,400 --> 03:21:55,020
If you look at affordable housing projects on average about 5% to 7% of the tenants turnover.

1353
03:21:55,680 --> 03:22:00,760
So what you start to see is that unlike in being operators with affordable housing,

1354
03:22:01,550 --> 03:22:05,780
you see a really strong sense of community in affordable housing projects.

1355
03:22:05,980 --> 03:22:10,280
So if you go to a market rate community, typically tenants don't know each other.

1356
03:22:10,900 --> 03:22:15,920
But what happens is that the tenants all stay there a long term because you think about this, right?

1357
03:22:15,920 --> 03:22:20,620
You have incomes that are going to be ranging from $40 to about $100,000.

1358
03:22:21,060 --> 03:22:24,000
So our tenants are going to be people that are vested in the community.

1359
03:22:24,180 --> 03:22:29,440
We're going to have school teachers, we're going to have medical technicians who have nonprofit employees.

1360
03:22:29,680 --> 03:22:31,080
So people that serve your community.

1361
03:22:31,720 --> 03:22:39,420
So what you see is that people that have two cars that don't have the proper assigned spaces.

1362
03:22:39,420 --> 03:22:47,660
is that they will either not move in or they'll move out, but when it comes to households that have two cars,

1363
03:22:48,200 --> 03:22:51,840
if you look at our communities, typically they all have assigned parking stalls.

1364
03:22:52,300 --> 03:22:54,400
There was a question about off-site parking.

1365
03:22:55,140 --> 03:23:03,800
So we can't prevent off-site parking, however, what we typically do in our communities where off-site parking is an issue,

1366
03:23:03,800 --> 03:23:11,280
is we'll work with the local municipality to essentially you can prevent offsite parking.

1367
03:23:11,500 --> 03:23:16,940
You can make it an obligation that you have passes to park on site.

1368
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:26,640
Our management team will work to make sure and ensure that people aren't parking in places that they're not supposed to offsite.

1369
03:23:27,280 --> 03:23:28,640
We can't regulate that, though.

1370
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:43,020
We can regulate onsite, and if you look at parking, what's unique is Orrin began the presentation, is that we're parked at 1.35, so we've actually increased our parking relative to what it was previously approved.

1371
03:23:43,940 --> 03:23:58,200
The last thing I'll say is that when we're building affordable housing projects, as Orrin mentioned, you're essentially trying to jam units onto a site without using public subsidies.

1372
03:23:58,200 --> 03:24:17,380
And so we believe that at 1.35, if you look at our portfolio, and if you look at how we manage our projects, and like I said, we've never sold one of our affordable projects that this parking ratio is in line with how we would, how we manage our current affordable housing projects.

1373
03:24:17,380 --> 03:24:31,320
So, I don't know if I answered your question, but I'll just end by saying that at 1.35, the households with two cars, typically what we've seen in our portfolio, they'll all have assigned parking.

1374
03:24:32,720 --> 03:24:42,980
And those that don't will move out, but I think a big piece of this is because of the longevity of the people that are living there.

1375
03:24:42,980 --> 03:24:49,060
I mean, this will be a true sense of community, because as you can imagine at that income level,

1376
03:24:49,200 --> 03:24:54,480
call it, you know, 38 to 40,000 to 90,000, we're going to have a wait list.

1377
03:24:54,960 --> 03:24:59,460
Typically, our communities before we even get an lease up, we'll have three to four.

1378
03:24:59,460 --> 03:24:59,960
I'm sorry.

1379
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:29,840
And the time's the amount of people on the wait list trying to rent one of these units. So what you'll see is those people realize that they've won the lottery, and they are very good actors. They are working with our staff, our nonprofit service providers, and those are folks that can't only be bad members of the community because they realize that there's four other people that would love to have their spot in line to get a unit here. So I don't know if I answered your question.

1380
03:25:29,840 --> 03:25:31,540
but I wanted to make sure that we clarify that.

1381
03:25:31,720 --> 03:25:32,780
Well, I'm going to ask something real quick.

1382
03:25:33,100 --> 03:25:37,860
Let me just jump in here, because I do also think there's context that should be included.

1383
03:25:38,020 --> 03:25:39,300
And this is kind of a bitter and sweet.

1384
03:25:39,940 --> 03:25:45,680
So we'll start with the bitter, which is, let's just talk about 2097.

1385
03:25:48,120 --> 03:25:53,340
And the fact that the proximity to transit so that we can just get this part out of the way.

1386
03:25:54,300 --> 03:25:57,920
So can somebody tell me the significance of AV 2097?

1387
03:25:57,920 --> 03:26:01,930
So this project isn't required to have any parking.

1388
03:26:02,410 --> 03:26:06,570
So we could have zero parking on this site, and we obviously know that's not the right thing to do.

1389
03:26:06,970 --> 03:26:10,170
And we tried to do the most parking we could.

1390
03:26:11,010 --> 03:26:15,270
And you know, when we get asked the question, what would happen if you removed a fourth story?

1391
03:26:15,530 --> 03:26:21,030
We would actually lose parking because that density would be spread amongst the site and we would lose parking, right?

1392
03:26:21,470 --> 03:26:28,750
So that comes with that fourth story height is in order to open up the land mass to have the parking, right?

1393
03:26:29,890 --> 03:26:32,930
Okay, and I see staff, is there anything else?

1394
03:26:33,010 --> 03:26:40,630
So, one thing just on the past, with the general development plan, it does require parking enforcement study and they did submit that.

1395
03:26:41,230 --> 03:26:48,950
I have that here, but it does say with tando parking spaces will be marked and assigned to specific units upon residential requests,

1396
03:26:49,270 --> 03:26:51,050
no RVs, things like that.

1397
03:26:51,230 --> 03:26:57,350
So, we do have that parking enforcement plan, we do have conditions of approval connecting that back there.

1398
03:26:57,350 --> 03:27:13,270
So I don't want to say that, but AB, so AB 2097, so we have the Rockland transit station, which say COD designated as a major transit stop, which puts it under the no parking regulations.

1399
03:27:13,270 --> 03:27:29,230
The site is, I believe, approximately 0.389 miles, a little or a half a mile away from the transit station, so it would qualify for that.

1400
03:27:29,530 --> 03:27:36,090
Another thing I wanted to clarify, the Rocklin Amtrak stops twice a day.

1401
03:27:36,850 --> 03:27:43,590
HDD did produce some additional clarification that basically any, any train stops.

1402
03:27:43,930 --> 03:27:46,970
So there was no frequency on that as well.

1403
03:27:47,150 --> 03:27:50,370
So even if we have two, it still applies for the 20 minutes.

1404
03:27:50,390 --> 03:27:55,410
And in fact, the statute actually doesn't require there to be any stops, but it does require

1405
03:27:55,410 --> 03:27:56,510
stops if it's buses.

1406
03:27:57,010 --> 03:28:01,410
I'd love to know who got that carve out there, but the fact is that that, because it only

1407
03:28:01,410 --> 03:28:03,810
stops twice a day, I know, because I've taken the train.

1408
03:28:04,710 --> 03:28:10,370
And because of that, this project then falls within it.

1409
03:28:10,490 --> 03:28:16,010
And so AB 2097, this is assumed that all the worst things happen.

1410
03:28:16,910 --> 03:28:20,650
The legislator's wisdom that because of that Amtrak station,

1411
03:28:21,070 --> 03:28:24,250
a developer would not have to put a single parking space there.

1412
03:28:24,310 --> 03:28:25,110
Is that correct?

1413
03:28:25,670 --> 03:28:27,190
Yes, that's what I'm interested in.

1414
03:28:29,670 --> 03:28:54,230
So, one real quick, I just wanted to clarify though, because I appreciate the comments that were made about the, you know, the community and everything, but the legislature itself, I think we would admit, because they put it in their own, you know, legislative history, part of this is to reduce our dependency on cars and allegedly greenhouse gas emissions, it has nothing to do with quality of life, or what it means to impact our community.

1415
03:28:54,230 --> 03:28:58,150
this is a decision up on high to reduce our dependency on cars.

1416
03:28:58,310 --> 03:29:03,630
I just wanted to make sure that we were clear that those literally said so.

1417
03:29:04,350 --> 03:29:05,170
You want to have a quick, you have no one?

1418
03:29:05,190 --> 03:29:06,130
Thank you.

1419
03:29:06,510 --> 03:29:13,710
Back to the part, and I think one of the things just even for our public, because it's really, you're hearing all these terminology, it's kind of a little bit crazy.

1420
03:29:14,090 --> 03:29:20,890
But basically, if you were following the city standards for this project, you'd have 578 parking spots.

1421
03:29:20,890 --> 03:29:31,510
You guys are going to have 381 as crazy as this sounds because it is a workforce housing project that is within a half mile of a train station.

1422
03:29:31,830 --> 03:29:39,570
You're not required by law to have any, you get to skip our requirements is basically what the law is telling us.

1423
03:29:40,370 --> 03:29:47,710
Please understand, this is not about your project necessarily, it's the same thing we've had with another project recently.

1424
03:29:47,710 --> 03:29:50,950
The lack of local control is making us crazy.

1425
03:29:51,930 --> 03:29:56,730
The fact that we have a general plan, and we don't get to use it, is really, really

1426
03:29:57,810 --> 03:29:59,970
and I think even every one of you would know.

1427
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,920
I put a place this big and not have any parking. I mean, it makes no sense and I'm a certain legislator that used to sit on this body that I think I'm going to be burning up his phone tomorrow. We need some help with that. The challenge here is this isn't like a normal city block where you said, the parking is full, I'm going to park on the street. There is no parking on the streets around there. And I totally get you're going to have a parking plan and you're going to enforce it.

1428
03:30:29,920 --> 03:30:32,220
But in the meantime, where are they going to park?

1429
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:39,220
And so that's really, for me, the biggest frustration we have is just we're putting a project like this into a spot.

1430
03:30:39,800 --> 03:30:43,900
I know this was, this was approved long before any of us were sitting here for a project.

1431
03:30:44,020 --> 03:30:46,120
And I think that's important for the public to understand too.

1432
03:30:46,200 --> 03:30:47,320
We're talking about design review.

1433
03:30:47,420 --> 03:30:52,660
We're not here to approve the project, a multifamily housing project was done 20 years ago.

1434
03:30:53,020 --> 03:30:54,280
We're trying to make it work.

1435
03:30:54,840 --> 03:30:59,080
So I think even, I mean, I don't know if anything brought up.

1436
03:30:59,080 --> 03:31:00,880
But what about two-story parking?

1437
03:31:01,160 --> 03:31:02,580
I mean, the building is going to be that tall.

1438
03:31:02,700 --> 03:31:04,980
Is that completely impossible to do?

1439
03:31:05,420 --> 03:31:08,220
We've got to find a way to not impact the neighbors on this.

1440
03:31:09,260 --> 03:31:14,500
Yeah, so totally valid points and we understand the frustration on some of the bills.

1441
03:31:15,020 --> 03:31:17,540
I just wanted to, you know, to respond to a couple of those.

1442
03:31:17,660 --> 03:31:20,440
So, yes, we understand AB 2097.

1443
03:31:20,860 --> 03:31:24,680
There's also obviously California State Density Bonus Minimum Parking Requirements,

1444
03:31:24,760 --> 03:31:26,560
which we exceed for this project.

1445
03:31:26,560 --> 03:31:40,020
So even if we were not using AB 2097, there's minimum standards in California density bonus, which is one space for one bedroom and one and a half spaces probably two and three bedroom just wanted to kind of mention that as well.

1446
03:31:41,100 --> 03:31:52,120
And to some of the other comments regarding a two story potential parking garage, unfortunately with construction costs that's probably not feasible for this project.

1447
03:31:55,860 --> 03:32:01,460
It's definitely not feasible to do structure parking here.

1448
03:32:01,940 --> 03:32:02,900
Have you looked at it?

1449
03:32:03,180 --> 03:32:03,940
Have we considered?

1450
03:32:04,040 --> 03:32:07,780
We have projects with structure parking in other parts of California.

1451
03:32:07,980 --> 03:32:12,620
Unfortunately, there's already a significant financing gap to this project.

1452
03:32:13,220 --> 03:32:17,600
And adding construction costs would not be able to make it move forward.

1453
03:32:19,680 --> 03:32:30,800
One other question, I don't know if you're the right person to ask, but some of the letters that I got, I think people on occasion think that truly the city is building projects because we get income from this.

1454
03:32:32,240 --> 03:32:37,640
I'm going to assume you're going to file for a waiver and not pay any property taxes to the city. Am I correct?

1455
03:32:38,160 --> 03:32:43,740
There is a property tax exemption for some property taxes for affordable housing projects.

1456
03:32:44,520 --> 03:32:47,180
Excuse me, I definitely want to hear this part.

1457
03:32:47,720 --> 03:32:49,660
So, yeah, and Sean can speak on that.

1458
03:32:49,760 --> 03:32:51,960
I also just wanted to answer one other question.

1459
03:32:53,900 --> 03:32:57,580
Okay, Sean, go first, I'll go first, I'll go first, so I'll answer that.

1460
03:32:57,840 --> 03:33:02,900
There's no affordable housing project in the state of California that doesn't use what they call the welfare exemption.

1461
03:33:03,480 --> 03:33:05,760
So that's part of the financing package.

1462
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:11,200
So, it's not just our project, I'm saying literally an affordable housing project.

1463
03:33:11,480 --> 03:33:19,020
And so, the way that works is, as you know, when we discussed, we bring in a nonprofit partner.

1464
03:33:19,300 --> 03:33:21,700
So, Pacific Housing is our nonprofit partner.

1465
03:33:22,300 --> 03:33:27,420
And that's part of the financing sources, if you will, the property tax exemption.

1466
03:33:28,060 --> 03:33:35,120
So, I want to be clear, because I know the community, it sounds like I'm raised some concerns on that.

1467
03:33:35,120 --> 03:33:37,900
But that's not just, this isn't an outlier.

1468
03:33:38,140 --> 03:33:42,040
This is every single affordable housing project in California,

1469
03:33:42,680 --> 03:33:46,240
uses what they call the welfare exemption and that's property tax law.

1470
03:33:46,700 --> 03:33:48,980
That's part of the financing sources, so we use-

1471
03:33:48,980 --> 03:33:51,860
I see that was the case, I just wanted to be very public about it.

1472
03:33:52,080 --> 03:33:54,540
That there won't be any generating even any.

1473
03:33:54,900 --> 03:33:59,300
And you need to understand, I'm sure, I say none of us were sitting here when this was approved long ago.

1474
03:33:59,740 --> 03:34:04,500
But the intent was a market rate place, we're having the same battle with

1475
03:34:04,500 --> 03:34:06,780
another one over losing our commercial space.

1476
03:34:06,960 --> 03:34:09,260
We're fighting for our lives to keep our commercial space,

1477
03:34:09,500 --> 03:34:10,480
because that's what pays the bills.

1478
03:34:10,680 --> 03:34:14,280
We have the best fire in police and parks, as you saw tonight, that you could have.

1479
03:34:14,560 --> 03:34:16,720
But I got to make sure we can pay for those in the future.

1480
03:34:17,140 --> 03:34:19,980
And that is comes from property taxes and sales tax.

1481
03:34:20,280 --> 03:34:24,640
And it's really frightening for us to lose a project that loses the sales tax.

1482
03:34:24,860 --> 03:34:29,460
And then now I'll have another project with no property taxes, but you will get roads and police and fire.

1483
03:34:30,500 --> 03:34:37,400
So yeah, just to the point of this project, this project will pay significant city impact fees once built.

1484
03:34:37,900 --> 03:34:59,200
So, you know, projected on this project in total, including city impact fees, water insure connection fees, public work fees, it's about $40,000 per unit on this project, which is around $12 million, a little under $12 million in total impact fees is what it's projected to generate for different city departments and then council member on your point about.

1485
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:25,380
I really understand that this project was approved in 2017 and you guys were not a part of that approval. This site was also designated in the city's housing element last year and adopted in August where it was designated for this type of project. So we truly followed that vision that was adopted last year before submitting any pre-application. I just wanted to kind of, you know, mention that as well. Thank you. I know we got some other questions. Yes.

1486
03:35:25,380 --> 03:35:35,100
Just to clarify, we don't get most of the impact fees that you just mentioned, we don't operate water, we don't operate sewer, we don't operate transportation.

1487
03:35:35,620 --> 03:35:39,940
So I don't want people to think that the city is getting $40 million because we're not on that.

1488
03:35:40,140 --> 03:35:46,940
Okay, back to the parking, you said you give the two bedrooms, three bedrooms, two passes.

1489
03:35:47,960 --> 03:35:54,840
If you did that, that would be 342 passes, so you're not giving 342 passes to them.

1490
03:35:54,840 --> 03:36:00,540
Yeah, the one bedrooms will get one space each no, no, I'm sorry, but you have a hundred and seventy one

1491
03:36:01,020 --> 03:36:07,740
Two bedrooms and three bedrooms if you gave them each two that would be three hundred and forty two passes to those

1492
03:36:07,740 --> 03:36:11,420
Yeah, so the we'd start with the one bedrooms alley, you know making sure

1493
03:36:11,420 --> 03:36:15,400
That's a hundred and ten correct and and then the rest of the parking space is available

1494
03:36:15,400 --> 03:36:18,080
That would be first come first serve to the two and three bedroom units

1495
03:36:18,080 --> 03:36:20,540
Okay, so so they won't all I mean

1496
03:36:20,540 --> 03:36:30,080
And let's break it down, you get 110, I think you have with 378 park in spots, so you'll be left with 260 something.

1497
03:36:30,680 --> 03:36:35,180
So out of the 170, maybe not

1498
03:36:38,030 --> 03:36:40,130
too many are going to get the two passes.

1499
03:36:40,430 --> 03:36:40,810
All they have?

1500
03:36:40,890 --> 03:36:41,910
Yeah, correct, yeah, half.

1501
03:36:42,250 --> 03:36:44,990
Okay, all right, okay, all right.

1502
03:36:45,830 --> 03:36:51,530
And I wanted, I should have done this earlier, I did have a conversation with you folks back, I think in late June.

1503
03:36:51,530 --> 03:36:56,570
and early July, where I talked for 45 minutes, I think about parking.

1504
03:36:57,310 --> 03:37:05,610
I also had conversations with many residents over the last 10 days on this project as well.

1505
03:37:06,430 --> 03:37:12,770
Just one quick thing I'm parking, and I know Councillor Broudaway's eager to jump in.

1506
03:37:13,490 --> 03:37:19,550
And I also did have exportate communications met with the applicants for

1507
03:37:19,550 --> 03:37:22,250
information purposes only along with our city manager.

1508
03:37:24,190 --> 03:37:32,250
Is there a possibility as part of the rental agreement to require just have the tenant

1509
03:37:32,250 --> 03:37:37,210
sign that they only have one vehicle or two vehicles based on the parking passes?

1510
03:37:42,450 --> 03:37:51,570
So is part of the, so when we income qualify and qualify tenants, we can't mandate the number

1511
03:37:51,570 --> 03:38:01,630
of cars that they own so we'll have a parking plan but it will have assigned parking spaces

1512
03:38:01,630 --> 03:38:08,670
but we can't regulate. For instance if a tenant goes and buys a car after the fact, we

1513
03:38:08,670 --> 03:38:16,870
have no ability to regulate that. Right but can they attest that at the time that they

1514
03:38:16,870 --> 03:38:23,990
They've signed the lease, they only have one or two vehicles based on the parking passes that they'll reach.

1515
03:38:24,050 --> 03:38:27,090
At the time of the lease, they can, and that's all I'm looking for.

1516
03:38:27,170 --> 03:38:37,310
Yeah, and the only caveat to that is, as long as I believe that's within fair housing, because all of our leases have to be governed by fair housing.

1517
03:38:37,690 --> 03:38:40,930
But to answer a question, as long as it's within the guidelines of fair housing.

1518
03:38:41,250 --> 03:38:43,230
Then yeah, okay, great, thank you.

1519
03:38:43,230 --> 03:38:43,870
Okay.

1520
03:38:44,390 --> 03:38:45,610
I'm sorry, it caused my problem.

1521
03:38:46,130 --> 03:38:48,030
I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor.

1522
03:38:49,550 --> 03:38:58,310
So again, we've talked all about the parking and AB 2097, where our legislators in their

1523
03:38:58,310 --> 03:39:02,390
infinite wisdom have said you can build all of these without any parking.

1524
03:39:02,910 --> 03:39:11,190
So my question is when the 381 spaces are full, where are the residents and visitors park?

1525
03:39:11,190 --> 03:39:15,070
Park, these are your residents and visitors, where do they park?

1526
03:39:17,040 --> 03:39:26,180
Because there's no parking on Pacific Street, there's no parking on Midas adjacent to this housing.

1527
03:39:26,920 --> 03:39:28,040
So where do they park?

1528
03:39:29,520 --> 03:39:35,500
So we're providing housing, but there's no parking, so where do they park?

1529
03:39:35,500 --> 03:39:48,620
So in practical terms, and I'm just going to, I'm going to answer that question within the context of our portfolio, and then, and then try and answer specifically to your question.

1530
03:39:49,020 --> 03:39:58,180
So the demographic and the tenant base will be families, will be largely families at this location.

1531
03:39:58,180 --> 03:39:59,380
That's the...

1532
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:29,540
And then when you look at those tenets, a lot of those tenets will be people that serve this community. Because if you look at income bands between that, like we discussed, the 40 to 90,000, upwards of 100,000, most of those families are people that are priced out of this community. So you have a number of people that serve this community now that are priced out of this because the high quality of life in schools here. So typically,

1533
03:40:30,100 --> 03:40:36,180
what you'll see is that those families will self-regulate themselves, especially families that have children.

1534
03:40:36,760 --> 03:40:44,440
They're going to know that if they don't have a sign parking, they're not going to want to walk upwards of whatever it is.

1535
03:40:44,760 --> 03:40:48,480
Quarter a mile, half a mile to park their car.

1536
03:40:49,000 --> 03:40:56,340
To answer your question specifically, though, you're asking a theoretical question where can I tell you where,

1537
03:40:56,340 --> 03:41:02,620
Or if they have additional cars or if they don't have a parking stall where they're going to park, no, I can't answer that.

1538
03:41:02,960 --> 03:41:08,900
However, what I can say is that from a practical standpoint, if you look at the demographic of our tenants,

1539
03:41:09,660 --> 03:41:17,880
they are going to want to be able to park within the community because most of those tenants will have children.

1540
03:41:18,420 --> 03:41:21,160
And if they don't have a sign parking, they won't move in.

1541
03:41:21,720 --> 03:41:23,380
And we've seen that across our portfolio.

1542
03:41:24,480 --> 03:41:39,300
So a concern that I have is in staff if you could weigh in on this, if the numbers have changed, but we were somewhere in the area of 70% of our residents leave Rockland for employment.

1543
03:41:40,240 --> 03:41:46,800
So if those numbers changed, is it still, is that a close approximation to the number of residents who-

1544
03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:49,900
I have to look for the reference document, I can do that.

1545
03:41:49,900 --> 03:41:56,980
Okay, so we'll just use that number because they know it's an ever that's been referenced previously and used previously.

1546
03:41:57,300 --> 03:42:10,480
So if 70% of our residents are leaving, Rockland, they're not walking and they're not using transit because there's not a transit option that works, unfortunately.

1547
03:42:11,000 --> 03:42:19,240
If we were in downtown Sacramento or we were in Oakland or San Francisco, probably got a good transit solution.

1548
03:42:19,240 --> 03:42:21,020
We don't have that, unfortunately.

1549
03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:24,480
And so they're going to drive, and that means they're going to have a car.

1550
03:42:24,760 --> 03:42:33,720
So that's really concerning for me, and I would hope it's concerning for you because you want to provide a great residential opportunity for these people.

1551
03:42:33,920 --> 03:42:39,020
But along with that comes having the ability to get where you need to go.

1552
03:42:39,460 --> 03:42:43,780
And in 70%, let's just say, of those people are going to need to get there.

1553
03:42:43,780 --> 03:43:13,720
in these partners that are living in these two and specifically three bedroom but even the one bedroom are likely going to have two cars and so that's why normally it's 578 spaces and I know we don't necessarily see that any longer because again our legislators have decided we don't have to do that so it's a little concerning to me that we would have full spaces and we don't generally have a sense for where these people are going to park and I mean has any analysis

1554
03:43:13,720 --> 03:43:20,080
from staff's perspective, and done to kind of assess what would spell over potentially

1555
03:43:20,080 --> 03:43:22,360
look like from this facility?

1556
03:43:22,520 --> 03:43:23,340
What do we think they would go?

1557
03:43:26,200 --> 03:43:31,440
We have not done an analysis on that with AB, with, you know, unable to restrict

1558
03:43:31,440 --> 03:43:34,980
parking through AB 2097.

1559
03:43:35,620 --> 03:43:40,980
Okay, all right, so thank you for that, and I, I, so get it, because it's very hard,

1560
03:43:40,980 --> 03:43:44,060
and as you've stated, you're kind of guessing, right?

1561
03:43:44,060 --> 03:43:45,700
What direction are they going to flow?

1562
03:43:47,220 --> 03:43:53,380
What I can't speak to is just what we've seen in the context of our portfolio and

1563
03:43:53,380 --> 03:43:56,020
then other, instead of other four of housing projects.

1564
03:43:57,300 --> 03:44:01,240
But I can't speculate to where future tenants would park.

1565
03:44:01,880 --> 03:44:03,260
I don't want to make that assumption.

1566
03:44:03,960 --> 03:44:11,940
And I want to give credit where credit is due because work has been done on your part in adding 25 spaces

1567
03:44:11,940 --> 03:44:15,300
by looking at landscaping and making some modifications.

1568
03:44:15,760 --> 03:44:23,760
I guess my question would be, well, I don't like to see just huge parking lots.

1569
03:44:24,120 --> 03:44:27,700
This isn't coals where they're going to go shopping, this is where they live.

1570
03:44:27,960 --> 03:44:30,080
But they also want to have a parking space.

1571
03:44:30,540 --> 03:44:35,900
Are there other potential opportunities for us to reduce some of that landscaping and

1572
03:44:35,900 --> 03:44:40,420
separation between the vehicles and gain a few additional parking spaces?

1573
03:44:40,420 --> 03:44:53,280
because the more spaces we have, the less opportunity, there's going to be for these conflicts with the neighborhoods and with these residents because they're going to have to park away from this location.

1574
03:44:54,400 --> 03:44:59,340
It's something we can look into. I don't know a council member if it's going to.

1575
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,980
We're going to be a significant amount of spaces. It could be a couple spaces that we can potentially add, but I don't know if there's much space left, to be honest. Or, if I could jump into really quick, we still have a lot of development to do with the design, right? We still have to coordinate with PG&E, and they're going to have restrictions and requirements too. And so what we wanted to make sure we presented and said that we could do in this meeting is something

1576
03:45:29,980 --> 03:45:35,120
that we think we can actually achieve at the end of that full construction design process.

1577
03:45:35,920 --> 03:45:42,780
And what we have found much like the vehicle miles traveled analysis that showed that affordable

1578
03:45:42,780 --> 03:45:48,940
housing typically has less vehicle miles traveled than a multi-family project or market rate.

1579
03:45:49,660 --> 03:45:54,740
We have also found that these, the residents are more families.

1580
03:45:54,740 --> 03:46:00,200
they do have less cars than a market rate set up where you have two, three roommates and

1581
03:46:00,200 --> 03:46:06,720
a two bedrooms all having cars and so we've seen the parking needs for the affordable housing

1582
03:46:06,720 --> 03:46:16,420
being less than the market rate products as well and to your point about the 70% of people going

1583
03:46:16,420 --> 03:46:22,700
outside of Rockland is sometimes it is to get those higher paying jobs to afford this wonderful

1584
03:46:22,700 --> 03:46:36,800
community, a lot of times people do have to commute outside of rocking for that, and the true intention of this project is to service and provide housing for those within the community that quite can't quite afford to live there otherwise.

1585
03:46:36,800 --> 03:46:36,980
Yes.

1586
03:46:40,080 --> 03:46:45,800
That would be great in theory, I just think in reality that that's necessarily what we

1587
03:46:45,800 --> 03:46:46,000
see.

1588
03:46:46,080 --> 03:46:53,840
It's getively the parking for universities and colleges where my kids lived in apartments

1589
03:46:53,840 --> 03:46:59,340
and it was amazing how these universities and the planning in these cities, they reduced

1590
03:46:59,340 --> 03:47:00,600
all the parking there as well.

1591
03:47:01,140 --> 03:47:02,500
And what do I see?

1592
03:47:02,740 --> 03:47:08,080
I see cars parked up and down all the arterial roadways because there's just not enough.

1593
03:47:08,080 --> 03:47:15,340
So that that is a concern of one thing to your comment on the trips trip generation and parking

1594
03:47:15,340 --> 03:47:21,760
demand are not necessarily the same thing. So I think they're very different and while we have a

1595
03:47:21,760 --> 03:47:30,520
lower number on trips generated for the housing, I could see some of that. I don't necessarily agree

1596
03:47:30,520 --> 03:47:36,880
that there is generally the parking demand is not going to be what we see because again we know

1597
03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:42,000
So we have a certain percentage of our residents that absolutely are going to seek jobs outside of the city.

1598
03:47:42,220 --> 03:47:43,760
There are many factors that drive that.

1599
03:47:44,840 --> 03:47:49,960
And so I think there's a need for the parking and so I'm very concerned.

1600
03:47:50,160 --> 03:47:54,060
So I would ask that a hard luck be given, even if it's five.

1601
03:47:54,640 --> 03:47:58,660
That's five fewer issues that are created for residents potentially.

1602
03:47:58,660 --> 03:48:04,960
Should this project move forward that are not going to get pushed off into the neighborhoods and

1603
03:48:04,960 --> 03:48:08,180
And there's not going to inconvenience the individuals who are loving at this location.

1604
03:48:08,620 --> 03:48:11,480
Yeah, absolutely, we can commit to that, definitely.

1605
03:48:11,940 --> 03:48:12,320
Thank you.

1606
03:48:12,500 --> 03:48:20,060
So just as a master of ceremonies type of position, that being there is, how many cards do we have at this point?

1607
03:48:22,320 --> 03:48:25,600
Speaker cards, I'm just trying to get an idea of where we're going tonight on this.

1608
03:48:27,360 --> 03:48:29,800
15 common cards and a couple hands resumption.

1609
03:48:29,800 --> 03:48:35,760
Okay, and Mr. Mayor, I've not just, that was just the parking side.

1610
03:48:35,960 --> 03:48:40,900
I have other questions, but this has been a little different approach than we normally take on questions.

1611
03:48:41,340 --> 03:48:48,660
So yeah, well, I mean, so here's the way I, the way I look at it, there's broken down again.

1612
03:48:48,780 --> 03:48:53,760
Project design density character has been one grouping, traffic, parking, and

1613
03:48:53,760 --> 03:49:12,640
access, infrastructure and safety, we've sort of talked about Sequa, if there's, if there's other ways we can approach it we can, but my, what I'm going to suggest is we're going to go for a 10 minute break, I mean, so we can give staff a break, and I'll figure out a better way to eat this elephant.

1614
03:49:14,080 --> 03:49:15,120
Take a break, 10 minutes.

1615
04:01:24,300 --> 04:01:28,380
All right, so we're going to come back from recess.

1616
04:01:31,330 --> 04:01:57,800
I want to just let everyone I know that we've got a lot of people here. It's not my intention to be here all my long. It is my intention to get through these questions and then get to the public comment and get through that point and then to deliberations. So the way I'm going to start this off is I'm just going to go through with my questions. Some of these are going to be a little more pointed. My questions should not be interpreted.

1617
04:01:57,800 --> 04:02:08,380
It is how I feel about anything, however, because I am a lawyer, I look at things from statute and case law, and I think it's important to level set as to what we're dealing with here.

1618
04:02:08,560 --> 04:02:18,220
So I'm just going to go through my questions, and I'll let the council ask whatever the remaining questions they have, but I want to start, I'm just going to go down the list height.

1619
04:02:18,960 --> 04:02:24,820
And some of these questions are going to be yesterday knows because otherwise it's just going to be a stocratic method on this one, okay?

1620
04:02:24,820 --> 04:02:31,100
Okay, so I just want to ask you, so the approximate size is 48 feet, right?

1621
04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:36,040
It's below what I saw there as the 60 foot minimum.

1622
04:02:38,560 --> 04:02:39,460
I'm sorry, maximum.

1623
04:02:40,940 --> 04:02:47,820
Now, yeah, there's a case law out there, California renters, the city of San Mateo.

1624
04:02:48,000 --> 04:02:51,980
They held a design standard asking whether a builder's right height was, quote,

1625
04:02:51,980 --> 04:02:57,860
about in scale and harmonious with the surroundings, was not objective and could not support denial under the HAA.

1626
04:02:57,980 --> 04:03:05,920
Are you under agreement at least that denying anything based on the fact that it doesn't work with the rest of the community is violates the HAA?

1627
04:03:07,380 --> 04:03:13,240
Yes, that's correct, and we have our land use council as well, if you'd like to hear from them there on Zoom.

1628
04:03:14,140 --> 04:03:23,140
Before we get there, I also want to note that you haven't said things that would make it this thing works, which is like because we can.

1629
04:03:23,500 --> 04:03:32,320
And again, I know that you've been given credit because we have had people in the past that have just come up here and said, we don't have to do this, we're doing it, you should be happy about it.

1630
04:03:32,320 --> 04:03:37,440
So I appreciate that, and that's one of the reasons I'm just going to ask these questions very directly, and not to put words in your mouth.

1631
04:03:38,640 --> 04:03:48,400
So, overall, the height of this project is what would you consider HAA appropriate?

1632
04:03:48,800 --> 04:03:50,280
There's not really a challenge to it.

1633
04:03:50,900 --> 04:03:51,360
That's correct.

1634
04:03:51,900 --> 04:03:52,020
Yes.

1635
04:03:52,840 --> 04:04:00,640
Density, so we have a proposed density of 39.5 units per acre, falls within the general plan designation, would you agree with that?

1636
04:04:01,220 --> 04:04:06,700
Correct, yes, and potentially could have been significantly higher for the general plan and zoning.

1637
04:04:06,700 --> 04:04:14,560
Okay, and that's under the Housing and Accountability Act, and you had already previously mentioned the state density bonus law, government code 65915, is that correct?

1638
04:04:14,940 --> 04:04:15,680
Correct, yes.

1639
04:04:15,980 --> 04:04:20,820
So, it's already written into the code what a density for this project could be.

1640
04:04:22,760 --> 04:04:32,060
Yes, and you could technically use density bonus up to 80% of the minimum density or the base density, we are about 20% of a bonus.

1641
04:04:33,340 --> 04:04:59,960
The basis of my question is just so you know, this right here is comments I did try and read as many as possible and synthesize them into the questions that I'm asking you now, because a lot of people are making reasonable and logical requests to decrease the density of this, but I want to make clear that the legislator has already stated one, we can't get below a certain amount because then we're out of it.

1642
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:08,360
There's no compliance, but also that this, for better or worse, that this project is stat- statutorily

1643
04:05:08,360 --> 04:05:08,700
allowed.

1644
04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:13,980
Yeah, a legal full circle in the parking. We could technically add a fifth floor to this

1645
04:05:13,980 --> 04:05:17,680
project and make the parking ratio even worse than it is right now.

1646
04:05:17,860 --> 04:05:20,780
Right, and again, I don't want to put those words in your mouth because I don't want anyone

1647
04:05:20,780 --> 04:05:23,620
here to think that that's a flex, right?

1648
04:05:23,960 --> 04:05:27,900
Correct, which is why we haven't gone there, but just in this breath, right?

1649
04:05:27,900 --> 04:05:34,540
Right, the 60-foot would allow for a fifth floor and we obviously have density bonus room to add that density.

1650
04:05:34,880 --> 04:05:40,420
We chose to do what we thought was best and feasible parking ratio for this project.

1651
04:05:40,740 --> 04:05:43,940
I know some don't agree, but yes, right.

1652
04:05:44,680 --> 04:05:51,040
And I'm also asking these questions because when we're deciding what we're going to approve and not approve.

1653
04:05:51,680 --> 04:05:57,100
And we'll get into this one and we'll get into comments but it's because we've already, we're already going down our road.

1654
04:05:57,100 --> 04:06:02,320
We don't want to go and I want to make sure everyone understands why we're taking these things into consideration or what we are

1655
04:06:02,320 --> 04:06:04,460
Not allowed to take into consideration

1656
04:06:05,000 --> 04:06:11,780
Yeah, I guess in not a flex this is if if we weren't here today if for some reason we weren't to build this project

1657
04:06:11,780 --> 04:06:19,080
We get denied someone else could come along and build a five-story project with more density and they are out there

1658
04:06:21,460 --> 04:06:26,940
Public services water and sewer capacity and this might be a joint question also with staff because I do

1659
04:06:27,100 --> 04:06:33,060
So we did get questions about water capability as well as sewer.

1660
04:06:33,500 --> 04:06:39,400
There is mention of South Plaster Municipal Utility District, as well as Plaster County Water Agency.

1661
04:06:39,660 --> 04:06:45,120
Can you tell the gallery and the people that have raised concerns about those utilities?

1662
04:06:45,400 --> 04:06:48,080
How does that go about in this project?

1663
04:06:48,440 --> 04:06:53,320
So the process is when we get an initial application, we send all the plans to all the utilities.

1664
04:06:54,080 --> 04:07:06,320
So, SP mud who does the public sewer, then Plaster County Water Agency who does public water, they both reviewed the project and essentially, essentially issued will serval at her saying they will serve the property.

1665
04:07:07,140 --> 04:07:09,200
And that it had capacity, correct?

1666
04:07:09,580 --> 04:07:11,140
And they had capacity, okay.

1667
04:07:12,740 --> 04:07:21,360
And just so the gallery knows, there's only one county that's allowed to self-impose a drought, it's Marin County, and they did that, and then they got an exception from certain housing laws.

1668
04:07:21,360 --> 04:07:24,140
So, you have to go to the legislature if you want that.

1669
04:07:27,100 --> 04:07:35,700
Walkability, is there, does that fall within, would you agree the subjective judgment that we're not allowed to take into account when it comes to the HA.

1670
04:07:36,920 --> 04:07:37,620
That's correct.

1671
04:07:37,620 --> 04:07:37,780
In fact,

1672
04:07:41,340 --> 04:07:53,880
cumulative impacts, when it comes to the fact that there's multiple projects going on Pacific,

1673
04:07:55,820 --> 04:08:04,820
is there, and your understanding, is there any impact on vehicle miles traveled as it relates to anything that would involve SEQUA,

1674
04:08:06,920 --> 04:08:11,080
or even a decision that we could even evaluate?

1675
04:08:11,900 --> 04:08:14,520
Not for this project in specific, no.

1676
04:08:18,450 --> 04:08:26,370
For staff, construction period impacts, do those concerns fall within or without the Housing Accountability Act and Density Bonus Law?

1677
04:08:28,500 --> 04:08:30,060
Can you read yourself?

1678
04:08:30,660 --> 04:08:38,840
Construction period impacts, so the impacts of construction over the two-year period, do those fall inside the Housing Accountability Act and Density Bonus Law?

1679
04:08:39,520 --> 04:08:41,160
That would be a legal question,

1680
04:08:49,200 --> 04:08:49,660
it's a no.

1681
04:08:49,660 --> 04:08:50,480
Okay.

1682
04:08:54,470 --> 04:09:07,390
For this type of project, we can impose objective design review guidelines and standards, and it's only if there's an objective design guidelines standard that regulates the construction period.

1683
04:09:07,650 --> 04:09:15,370
The answer's no, but that we be based upon those objective standards related to a construction management plan in period.

1684
04:09:15,370 --> 04:09:16,550
Great, thank you.

1685
04:09:17,910 --> 04:09:24,430
This final thing is just going to be a statement, because I think it needs to be said, and I'm not going to put anybody on the spot.

1686
04:09:25,330 --> 04:09:32,790
I did see there was a number of comments that were made about crime and substance abuse, and I just want to address that directly.

1687
04:09:33,190 --> 04:09:43,830
Governor Code 12955, the Fairer Employment and Housing Act, as well as other case law, does not allow us to base our decisions.

1688
04:09:43,830 --> 04:09:53,910
on some of the things that have been raised might sound logical, it might sound like it makes sense, but there is

1689
04:09:53,910 --> 04:09:59,750
case law of the states that decision makers own hearing record statements, characterizing perspective residents.

1690
04:10:00,110 --> 04:10:26,230
Can be used as a direct evidence of discriminatory intent in later litigation. So I just want to make sure that I understand and people are free to make the comments about that issue. But this council will not weigh, and it will not engage with characterizations of future residents based on their income or housing type we cannot and will not do it. So with that, I'm done if we want to start it to the left. Council Member Broadway, and then we will work our way to the right.

1691
04:10:29,720 --> 04:10:32,220
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I greatly appreciate it.

1692
04:10:32,220 --> 04:10:37,800
And you must have stuck up and read my notes because what if my question was about what

1693
04:10:37,800 --> 04:10:38,620
is available?

1694
04:10:38,940 --> 04:10:43,840
Because I think it's important we all understand, you know, the additional height that

1695
04:10:43,840 --> 04:10:48,400
is available, how many units that reflects the fact that essentially, again, the state

1696
04:10:48,400 --> 04:10:49,900
says you can do no parking.

1697
04:10:50,800 --> 04:10:54,960
Certainly, even if you did that, you wouldn't have to add parking that we've had the conversation

1698
04:10:54,960 --> 04:10:57,000
you're going to look at things, so we appreciate that.

1699
04:10:57,160 --> 04:11:01,860
So thank you because you answered the question without me having to ask it, so that's great.

1700
04:11:02,640 --> 04:11:11,820
I do want to ask there's been a comment about the pipeline and so let me just get to that.

1701
04:11:11,900 --> 04:11:17,240
The kindergarten pipeline has been mentioned as a concern given the combination of the railroad,

1702
04:11:17,740 --> 04:11:23,360
the pipeline, the PG&E infrastructure above surrounding industrial uses,

1703
04:11:23,360 --> 04:11:32,120
is the two in our 81 residential units, has any consideration been given in relationship

1704
04:11:32,120 --> 04:11:41,840
to any type of reinforced wall or something cast in place between that pipeline and the

1705
04:11:41,840 --> 04:11:44,720
facility to help in the event there was an issue?

1706
04:11:45,640 --> 04:11:50,120
I know there's an existing, I believe there's an existing wall there but has there been any

1707
04:11:50,120 --> 04:11:57,400
review of that, how I would that wall be, the type of wall, if you could answer that.

1708
04:11:57,620 --> 04:12:03,600
We do have a retaining wall plan for the perimeter, I think it varies in height.

1709
04:12:04,640 --> 04:12:09,660
Yeah, I want to say it goes from like five feet up to nine feet because it's slope site.

1710
04:12:10,040 --> 04:12:19,880
We do have a cross, but we do have a senior wall across the entire length of that northern parcel line adjacent to the railroad tracks.

1711
04:12:19,880 --> 04:12:24,580
Do you have any sense for the height of that above where that we know it's a buried gasoline

1712
04:12:24,580 --> 04:12:30,520
So but the height above where the ground level is below it because they do it does slow from that area

1713
04:12:30,520 --> 04:12:33,860
Yeah, I think it is at three feet down right you can see in that picture, right?

1714
04:12:34,060 --> 04:12:38,940
It's like dip down then our personal line and then we're grading so then the wall will be even higher above that

1715
04:12:39,480 --> 04:12:46,220
Five to nine feet above grade five denied. Yeah, okay perfect. That's what I was looking for so yeah, thank you for that

1716
04:12:46,220 --> 04:12:47,900
I I appreciate it

1717
04:12:49,340 --> 04:13:12,260
Let's see here, so if I have any other question, I did want to mention I did have X Part A communications with a number of our residents regarding the project, it was informational only sharing their thoughts and concerns, no commitments were made, but I did meet with a number of residents relating to this project, I did not have a chance to meet with any of you or your team.

1718
04:13:14,500 --> 04:13:22,160
Let's see here, I think Mr. Mayor, that, well, let's see here, just on, oh, the traffic,

1719
04:13:22,320 --> 04:13:28,200
I did want to ask in relationship to the traffic, we did have a conversation about whether

1720
04:13:28,200 --> 04:13:37,380
there was a driveway entrance off of Midas, so in addition to consideration of this removal

1721
04:13:37,380 --> 04:13:44,780
of that, making it EVA only, I think another option could be making it right in only, no

1722
04:13:44,780 --> 04:13:50,100
right out. You could use kind of a bulb there to prevent people from trying to force their

1723
04:13:50,100 --> 04:13:56,500
way out to use it as an exit, but you eliminate that concern with the rail road crossing and

1724
04:13:56,500 --> 04:14:01,960
then pushing traffic into the neighborhood as well as those illegal U-turns by the rail

1725
04:14:01,960 --> 04:14:06,240
road track. So, I would like in addition to consideration of

1726
04:14:06,240 --> 04:14:10,440
of a potential EVA only there, a right and only to be considered.

1727
04:14:10,680 --> 04:14:17,080
I know staff and the fire department, there are some concerns there, but I think that deserves to consideration.

1728
04:14:18,180 --> 04:14:30,980
Just again, because if you do that, you're eliminating some of the cross traffic that Councilmember Janda spoke to coming down Pacific Street and trying to cut across to get into the complex.

1729
04:14:30,980 --> 04:14:38,800
Yes, so a couple of things on that might have a diagram to share if it gets pulled up.

1730
04:14:39,860 --> 04:14:48,300
And we also have Councilmember Brudway, our traffic engineer, on the line who can answer additional questions.

1731
04:14:48,720 --> 04:14:59,980
But on Midas, so currently as it's designed, so we have the deceleration right turn only lane on Midas for that.

1732
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,980
That right in, right? For the right out, if you see the location of it, I know a concern is, you know, the queuing before the stop, right? Where that location is, if there was any queuing that was from our project, they would actually be queuing internal to the site. So they wouldn't be able, if there's already a line there, they would not be able to exit to the right. So that is specific how we designed and how it was previously designed. And then to further restrict any left out of

1733
04:15:29,980 --> 04:15:31,900
there, which I know is also a previous concern.

1734
04:15:32,540 --> 04:15:37,100
We, after planning commission agree to extend the median that's currently on Midas by another

1735
04:15:37,100 --> 04:15:37,740
40 feet.

1736
04:15:38,500 --> 04:15:41,200
So it would fully restrict it to a right and right out.

1737
04:15:42,400 --> 04:15:45,560
And we've studied that with our engineers also on the line.

1738
04:15:46,080 --> 04:15:46,240
Okay.

1739
04:15:46,620 --> 04:15:53,320
Yeah, I think I'm more concerned about pushing additional traffic into the residential arterial

1740
04:15:53,320 --> 04:15:59,780
roads, as well as the potential for illegal U-turns, so you get just past the road tracks

1741
04:15:59,780 --> 04:16:01,400
and then you make that quick turn.

1742
04:16:02,180 --> 04:16:06,020
So that would be just a thought and just a consideration.

1743
04:16:06,380 --> 04:16:08,300
I think if they had to go up Midas,

1744
04:16:08,460 --> 04:16:11,220
they would come off with Pacific and come back to Midas.

1745
04:16:11,520 --> 04:16:14,580
So if they had to go up there first,

1746
04:16:14,700 --> 04:16:17,080
spring view of Morocco and high, but understood.

1747
04:16:17,340 --> 04:16:20,460
We just wanted to kind of tell the story behind the design.

1748
04:16:30,720 --> 04:16:32,060
My next questions are going to be for staff,

1749
04:16:32,060 --> 04:16:33,580
and then we're going to open it up for public comment.

1750
04:16:34,460 --> 04:16:34,880
Thank you.

1751
04:16:35,360 --> 04:16:35,800
Thank you.

1752
04:16:37,260 --> 04:16:56,600
And I had previously asked our City Attorney a couple of these questions, but can you, you know, just so we all are on the same page when it comes to this project potential if they're all things go wrong, obviously, I have to think about that.

1753
04:16:57,280 --> 04:16:58,000
We all do.

1754
04:16:58,000 --> 04:17:12,380
So, what is under the current law, the fees, both the baseline and total for any kind of penalties that the HCD and the Attorney General can wage?

1755
04:17:13,580 --> 04:17:23,260
There has been a new law that was enacted in effective in January of this year that gives HCD some additional enforcement authority.

1756
04:17:23,260 --> 04:17:32,880
If HCD has provided notice to specific notice to a jurisdiction, then based upon the new statute,

1757
04:17:33,580 --> 04:17:38,540
the Attorney General can bring an action against the entity and the minimum penalties for

1758
04:17:38,540 --> 04:17:43,800
violating the housing laws is $10,000 per unit.

1759
04:17:44,460 --> 04:17:51,820
So in the event, HCD brings an enforcement action for a jurisdiction improperly denying

1760
04:17:51,820 --> 04:17:59,340
an affordable housing unit, the minimum fee that would be imposed upon the city would be $10,000 per unit.

1761
04:17:59,680 --> 04:18:07,780
For this proposal, it's $2.78 million based upon the 278 units.

1762
04:18:08,240 --> 04:18:12,020
That's the minimum fee, in addition, of course, there's enforcement costs and attorneys.

1763
04:18:12,680 --> 04:18:19,840
So again, it's that the state legislature and the new laws incentivizing affordable housing and

1764
04:18:19,840 --> 04:18:26,660
housing, housing laws, and H.C.D. enforcing that.

1765
04:18:27,060 --> 04:18:27,680
Okay, thank you.

1766
04:18:29,940 --> 04:18:35,060
All right, well, at this point, I will be opening it up to public comment.

1767
04:18:35,100 --> 04:18:41,880
I believe that we will accept them in the order in which Madam Clerk has received them.

1768
04:18:42,720 --> 04:18:47,200
Again, just to remind everybody we're definitely want to get through these.

1769
04:18:47,300 --> 04:18:48,020
We want to hear you.

1770
04:18:48,740 --> 04:18:57,400
So we'll have the three-minute limit, I'd ask for all comments to be directed at the council

1771
04:18:57,400 --> 04:19:00,340
and not questions to the applicant.

1772
04:19:00,480 --> 04:19:03,260
If you do have questions, what we can do is we can write those down.

1773
04:19:03,740 --> 04:19:10,900
At the end of this, we can then ask those questions and again, please, it's remain respectful.

1774
04:19:11,200 --> 04:19:15,880
I think there's a lot of really good comments we're going to hear, so appreciate it.

1775
04:19:15,880 --> 04:19:18,160
With that, first one.

1776
04:19:19,220 --> 04:19:24,160
I'll go ahead and announce the first couple of speakers, beginning with Mr.

1777
04:19:24,380 --> 04:19:30,620
Jof McClennan, followed by Carolyn Hamilton and Bill Hamilton.

1778
04:19:34,700 --> 04:19:36,580
Good evening, Jeff McClennan.

1779
04:19:37,740 --> 04:19:42,440
I think you all know me, been here 40 years, served on the Planning Commission, I've served on

1780
04:19:42,440 --> 04:19:48,820
and other organizations and advisory groups in the cities and the counties nearby.

1781
04:19:51,120 --> 04:19:53,420
I want to begin by making one thing clear.

1782
04:19:54,020 --> 04:19:57,120
I support for two-provide affordable housing.

1783
04:19:57,840 --> 04:19:59,940
My concern is has this-

1784
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:09,060
It's been thoroughly evaluated, not just by the pipeline company, regarding the hazards surrounding this site.

1785
04:20:09,340 --> 04:20:19,120
Uniquely, the railroad high pressure petroleum pipeline, possibly inadequate emergency access if that becomes involved.

1786
04:20:20,820 --> 04:20:26,380
Emergency access, I asked questions and was given no answers.

1787
04:20:26,380 --> 04:20:28,740
that began last week.

1788
04:20:29,800 --> 04:20:34,880
The petroleum pipeline, my more serious concern is the pressurized pipeline.

1789
04:20:35,660 --> 04:20:40,280
I asked exactly what hazard or consequence analysis.

1790
04:20:40,620 --> 04:20:44,500
Now a consequence analysis is not a letter from the pipeline company.

1791
04:20:45,280 --> 04:20:50,960
Specifically, what is the pipeline diameter, the nearest apartment building from the pipeline.

1792
04:20:50,960 --> 04:21:04,580
The consequence of the hazardous distance analysis performed and has rock and fire evaluated a release and fire scenario, and now we have possibility with the PG&E overhead lines.

1793
04:21:05,800 --> 04:21:15,280
I received the Kinder Morgan email. Thank you from staff. The operator had revealed construction activities that they usually take.

1794
04:21:15,280 --> 04:21:20,760
The question is not simply whether the pipeline operator says the pipeline is safe.

1795
04:21:21,180 --> 04:21:25,560
The question is whether the city independently evaluated the consequences.

1796
04:21:26,180 --> 04:21:31,560
Any pipeline incident, the people who live there and the surrounding neighbors.

1797
04:21:32,200 --> 04:21:36,500
The railroad and the pipeline together, you can just imagine that would be very difficult.

1798
04:21:36,500 --> 04:21:47,220
A earlier environmental review, a phase two site, referred to a 2006 finding of aviation fuel on the site.

1799
04:21:48,460 --> 04:21:54,980
You can't get away from that and there's been, there was no analysis then and there hasn't been any analysis now.

1800
04:21:56,300 --> 04:22:03,920
Inclusion, you've got all of these people coming on their site and there has not been an adequate analysis now.

1801
04:22:03,920 --> 04:22:25,640
In further review in the Bay Area, involving a 2004 explosion, the Attorney General of the State required kindergarten Morgan that operates that pipeline to work with the local Bay Area counties and cities, and they came up with specific procedures that have been followed in the contra cost of study.

1802
04:22:25,640 --> 04:22:31,020
Okay, I'm not asking this city to assume that Kendra Morgan pipeline is unsafe.

1803
04:22:31,060 --> 04:22:37,080
I'm asking this city to form the type of site-specific pipeline risk and consequence analysis.

1804
04:22:37,760 --> 04:22:43,060
And you can refer to Connacosta's own Kendra Morgan for that information.

1805
04:22:43,280 --> 04:22:44,840
I'm going to provide this to staff.

1806
04:22:45,080 --> 04:22:45,420
Thank you.

1807
04:22:45,720 --> 04:22:45,940
Thank you.

1808
04:22:57,840 --> 04:22:58,540
Which one does that?

1809
04:23:00,910 --> 04:23:01,930
Caroline Hamilton?

1810
04:23:02,610 --> 04:23:03,730
Followed by Bill Hamilton.

1811
04:23:05,150 --> 04:23:31,670
Hi, my name is Carolyn Hamilton, and I live on Midas Avenue, and right now, the traffic for us getting in and of our driveways impossible during school time, during traffic time going to and from work, going for walks is dangerous for the elderly, for the children, it's just a hazard for us to be out on our street at all, and I recommend maybe if you guys could figure out a different site for this place to go instead of on our corner.

1812
04:23:31,670 --> 04:23:39,390
I'm also concerned about the other two areas that are for sale on Midas Avenue, on the other side of the railroad track, what's going to go there?

1813
04:23:40,550 --> 04:23:46,470
It's a concern for all of us on Midas, and we're frightened for our lives, I mean, we can't cross the street.

1814
04:23:47,090 --> 04:23:53,790
If we try to cross the street at the crosswalks, cars are coming around, they're missing the stop signs, they're just going.

1815
04:23:54,010 --> 04:24:00,670
If you put in this amount of people, and they're going to go up our street to get to the high school, and then they're going to go up by

1816
04:24:00,670 --> 04:24:05,170
By the fire department and Dan, we can't even get up that road any longer.

1817
04:24:05,650 --> 04:24:10,890
Anyways, that's my concern and I'm terrified and I think it's a terrible idea to build this apartment complex down there.

1818
04:24:11,150 --> 04:24:11,910
Thank you.

1819
04:24:12,170 --> 04:24:12,710
Thank you.

1820
04:24:20,620 --> 04:24:22,460
Mayor and council members, good evening.

1821
04:24:23,120 --> 04:24:33,080
My name is Reverend Virgil Nelson, I'm a retired pastor and the chairperson of the Affordable Housing Committee for placer people of faith together.

1822
04:24:33,080 --> 04:24:41,180
A neighbor of mine and I am in constant contact with people who are searching for affordable housing.

1823
04:24:41,920 --> 04:24:48,380
A neighbor of mine at Eskitan Roosevelt has an aide who comes to help him every day.

1824
04:24:49,140 --> 04:24:59,020
And that aide commutes over two hours one way each day and she is desperately looking for housing in this area that would accommodate.

1825
04:24:59,020 --> 04:24:59,320
Thank you very much.

1826
04:25:01,060 --> 04:25:29,820
A young couple in our church got married. They looked for an affordable housing in this area, including Auckland. She grew up in Loomis, a graduate of Syracology, works in construction. The only thing they could find was a bedroom that they rented for $875 a month, and that did not include kitchen privileges or any house privileges. Eventually,

1827
04:25:29,820 --> 04:25:33,900
I believe the only place I could find was in the Arden Arcade.

1828
04:25:34,500 --> 04:25:44,540
I volunteer at the 50-10th shelter in Auburn and met a 72-year-old woman who arrived there.

1829
04:25:45,140 --> 04:25:55,740
She had been living for five years in the same small duplex on an income of $1,175 a month.

1830
04:25:55,740 --> 04:26:01,260
She had been there five years, paid her rent on time all the time, the landlord raised

1831
04:26:01,260 --> 04:26:04,180
the rent $300 a month.

1832
04:26:05,020 --> 04:26:09,780
Who can live on $175 for the rest of life?

1833
04:26:10,000 --> 04:26:13,520
She was evicted and ended up at the 10th shelter.

1834
04:26:20,600 --> 04:26:27,480
Seven times a month, the nomadic shelter in the South County uses our church sanctuary

1835
04:26:27,480 --> 04:26:28,980
as a place to sleep.

1836
04:26:28,980 --> 04:26:36,240
and we provide an evening meal for the guests as well as breakfast.

1837
04:26:36,980 --> 04:26:44,520
This spring, a gentleman walked in in the evening and carrying a baby three months old

1838
04:26:44,520 --> 04:26:48,180
with three elementary school children behind him and his wife.

1839
04:26:49,840 --> 04:26:53,820
He, the landlord sold the house that they were living in.

1840
04:26:53,960 --> 04:26:55,580
They could not find another house.

1841
04:26:55,580 --> 04:27:03,680
And simultaneously, the company he worked with downsize and he lost his job.

1842
04:27:04,380 --> 04:27:07,100
There's an incredible need for affordable housing.

1843
04:27:07,900 --> 04:27:10,820
I hope you will approve this project.

1844
04:27:11,220 --> 04:27:15,800
The designs and safety issues, I'm sure you can work out with the developer.

1845
04:27:16,420 --> 04:27:16,740
Thank you.

1846
04:27:17,280 --> 04:27:17,540
Thank you.

1847
04:27:20,110 --> 04:27:24,930
Next couple speakers are Bill Hamilton, followed by Bud Davis, and

1848
04:27:24,930 --> 04:27:25,690
Kerry Hamilton.

1849
04:27:31,740 --> 04:27:41,240
Mr. Mayor and council at all, I'm Bill Hamilton, I've lived in might as seven years since 1977.

1850
04:27:43,520 --> 04:27:53,120
And the year for my wife a little while ago, the traffic's really bad as it is right now.

1851
04:27:53,120 --> 04:28:03,460
And he had these apartments and it's going to be just ten times as bad and the traffic

1852
04:28:03,460 --> 04:28:05,780
going by Springview School.

1853
04:28:06,840 --> 04:28:16,300
And so I'm absolutely clear I am 100% against those apartments being built at the corner

1854
04:28:16,300 --> 04:28:18,740
of Midas and Pacific Street.

1855
04:28:18,740 --> 04:28:31,420
And my experience is that they would do nothing but create bigger hazards than we have now

1856
04:28:32,020 --> 04:28:43,920
with traffic and parking and people and if it raises the crime rate and I think that's

1857
04:28:43,920 --> 04:28:52,820
All I can say right now, unless somebody has a specific question of me, but just as the punch line,

1858
04:28:53,420 --> 04:28:55,740
we're 100% against that project.

1859
04:28:56,540 --> 04:28:57,340
Thank you.

1860
04:29:10,370 --> 04:29:11,330
My name's Bud Davis.

1861
04:29:12,830 --> 04:29:14,790
I want to thank the council mayor.

1862
04:29:16,070 --> 04:29:19,950
I live on Third Street too, and I'm just a few blocks from that corner.

1863
04:29:20,850 --> 04:29:25,370
And it could be devastating for its traffic, just normal everyday people working.

1864
04:29:26,810 --> 04:29:28,910
Not affordable housing, that's great.

1865
04:29:30,130 --> 04:29:35,870
There's a liquor store across the street and a big dry lot next to it, so

1866
04:29:35,870 --> 04:29:38,150
over parking is going to happen.

1867
04:29:39,250 --> 04:29:45,110
But if the city is going to get railroad and no affordable housing mandated by the state.

1868
04:29:46,250 --> 04:29:48,510
And it sounds like that's what's happening here,

1869
04:29:51,140 --> 04:29:51,820
flip it.

1870
04:29:53,000 --> 04:29:57,100
Why have 50 feet up and down on Midas and Pacific?

1871
04:29:58,600 --> 04:29:59,640
Put it to the back.

1872
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:01,820
Make the entry look like a park.

1873
04:30:04,160 --> 04:30:07,400
That's my wife, because she does not know where I'm at.

1874
04:30:11,240 --> 04:30:29,160
Thank you for that. I got nothing again and affordable housing. It needs to happen. There are lots of open lots in Brooklyn. And my God, you guys are building up everywhere. And to the parks and rec, we need pools also.

1875
04:30:29,160 --> 04:30:37,020
So every below soccer, cricket, whatever, cricket, so anyway, that's my talk.

1876
04:30:37,940 --> 04:30:50,920
If you put up the thing and flip the buildings to the back and open it up to the street, it

1877
04:30:50,920 --> 04:30:58,940
It won't look so bad, I mean it won't look like you're walking next to a 50 foot wall on Midas and on Pacific.

1878
04:30:59,920 --> 04:31:02,260
Anyway, thank you, thank you.

1879
04:31:09,820 --> 04:31:11,260
Hello, I'm Carrie Hamilton.

1880
04:31:11,800 --> 04:31:18,620
I am a resident of Rockland, we've been here since 2011, we've been off of Midas on Clover Valley since 2018.

1881
04:31:19,320 --> 04:31:25,580
And I love that sunset Whitney area and the trails, but I will tell you, I'm a runner and

1882
04:31:25,580 --> 04:31:32,000
And I run all around there, the crosswalks are the most dangerous thing because there are so many cars.

1883
04:31:32,660 --> 04:31:39,600
Over the last several years, the ridge was allowed to be built on, which added a lot of traffic to our area.

1884
04:31:40,020 --> 04:31:42,460
It's like between, what is it off mountain?

1885
04:31:43,720 --> 04:31:44,320
Skyline.

1886
04:31:44,660 --> 04:31:45,300
Yes, Skyline.

1887
04:31:45,720 --> 04:31:51,860
That added a bunch of traffic with the amazing additions that are happening at the park, with the pickleball courts.

1888
04:31:51,860 --> 04:31:57,620
that's going to add traffic to Midas and Midas was never intended, Councilwoman Guyaldo said it,

1889
04:31:57,780 --> 04:32:02,220
there was never intended to be a thoroughfare. Adding something like this with a forced right

1890
04:32:02,220 --> 04:32:07,400
is going to push all those people down towards our homes, towards our neighborhoods where people are

1891
04:32:07,400 --> 04:32:14,480
trying to walk down the sidewalk, get into their driveways, get out of their house. Going up,

1892
04:32:15,080 --> 04:32:19,340
I think one of the other ladies said it, when you're trying to go up towards crest, you're,

1893
04:32:19,340 --> 04:32:23,980
I mean, it's even known the kids live on like the Sierra College area.

1894
04:32:24,340 --> 04:32:30,320
You put it in the maps in the mornings and the fastest way to get to Whitney cuz those kids are zone to Whitney is to go across Midas.

1895
04:32:30,720 --> 04:32:35,060
So you have all of those houses on that side of town all using that as their thoroughfare.

1896
04:32:35,540 --> 04:32:40,520
So getting up that hill towards Crest, if you have to go to that side of town, it's a disaster.

1897
04:32:40,800 --> 04:32:44,640
If you've ever been there around 8, 10 in the morning, it's all the way out.

1898
04:32:44,640 --> 04:32:49,020
So, adding this much traffic would just be a nightmare, not to mention the parking.

1899
04:32:50,480 --> 04:32:53,480
Like it's, I mean, you guys are very well aware I've heard you ask all the questions.

1900
04:32:54,080 --> 04:32:56,080
The arterial streets are the ones that are going to get it.

1901
04:32:56,240 --> 04:33:00,980
And then if you have to issue passes to the residents so that they're allowed to park in front

1902
04:33:00,980 --> 04:33:06,840
of their houses on the streets, your enforcement is bound to law enforcement to give them tickets,

1903
04:33:07,100 --> 04:33:09,620
parking tickets, so that adds a weight on them.

1904
04:33:12,840 --> 04:33:18,560
Lastly, they mentioned something about their different because they're an equity, they have

1905
04:33:18,560 --> 04:33:21,120
an equity stake in the project and that bridges the gap of the finance.

1906
04:33:21,380 --> 04:33:26,680
Well, maybe they can reduce their equity and build that two-story parking structure.

1907
04:33:27,900 --> 04:33:30,780
They're getting some skin in the game because that's how they're bridging that gap.

1908
04:33:31,000 --> 04:33:34,900
Maybe they get a little bit less and they put that towards the project to make it successful.

1909
04:33:35,660 --> 04:33:39,220
My other question that I don't know, and maybe this is just something somebody can get back

1910
04:33:40,080 --> 04:33:46,200
I realize that it was zoned as a high density facility years and years and years ago.

1911
04:33:46,400 --> 04:33:51,040
Does that necessarily mean it has to be this high density, where it's the low income.

1912
04:33:51,520 --> 04:33:55,760
And all the other requirements that come along with low income that gets them the federal funding or the state funding.

1913
04:33:56,320 --> 04:33:58,180
Does it have to be something like that?

1914
04:33:58,260 --> 04:34:05,180
Because I can see cute little town homes being still high density, but not where you're bringing in 400 plus cars to the area.

1915
04:34:05,720 --> 04:34:07,100
That's all I have to say about that.

1916
04:34:07,100 --> 04:34:07,940
Thank you so much.

1917
04:34:10,950 --> 04:34:15,410
John Suza, followed by James Barat and Kim Spear.

1918
04:34:19,540 --> 04:34:20,480
Thanks for your time.

1919
04:34:20,880 --> 04:34:27,920
By the way, I have nothing to do with the second lady to talk that she said she had a problem with a Mr. Suza.

1920
04:34:28,120 --> 04:34:29,120
I am not that person.

1921
04:34:29,740 --> 04:34:32,480
I do not know that person and I did not load that lady.

1922
04:34:33,040 --> 04:34:34,900
I had to bring that up, of course.

1923
04:34:36,100 --> 04:34:40,420
Anyhow, my wife said don't say it but I'm going to say I've been a resident here,

1924
04:34:40,420 --> 04:34:47,120
owner and a resident for 40 years living in the Mission Hills area in Mission Way, actually.

1925
04:34:48,040 --> 04:34:55,800
And I'm concerned you addressed it very nicely about asking a lot of questions about the traffic,

1926
04:34:56,620 --> 04:34:59,760
parking, and some of the other issues.

1927
04:35:00,180 --> 04:35:30,160
One of the things I have a question, I'm not sure it's been brought up and maybe it has nothing to do with the council here, is the possible extra impact on the schools, the Rockland Elementary School, Springview School, which is already very crowded, and probably Rockland High School. That may be some issues that somebody should bring up. Another concern I have is, might as and the cut-throughs

1928
04:35:30,160 --> 04:35:36,840
As it's mentioned, I call them cut-throughs on Argonaut, from what I call Old Stanford Ranch and

1929
04:35:36,840 --> 04:35:38,340
Whitney Oaks and so on.

1930
04:35:38,500 --> 04:35:44,380
They cut through Argonaut tremendously and then they go through on Midas to Pacific.

1931
04:35:44,860 --> 04:35:47,140
Well, this will just add to that problem.

1932
04:35:47,720 --> 04:35:51,400
Now, the last thing I want to talk about is the safety issue.

1933
04:35:51,980 --> 04:35:53,800
It's been mentioned about the railroad.

1934
04:35:54,440 --> 04:35:59,800
Well, the closest track is the number two track, which generally the current traffic

1935
04:35:59,800 --> 04:36:04,060
it goes eastbound, but sometimes they run against the current traffic, so you have a

1936
04:36:04,060 --> 04:36:10,780
train going westbound right near this project, which is a concern of not for me, but I'm

1937
04:36:10,780 --> 04:36:15,040
kind of concerned about the safety of the people that may be living in the project.

1938
04:36:16,020 --> 04:36:21,880
And also the other track, number one track, which normally is westbound, has a very steep

1939
04:36:21,880 --> 04:36:24,700
grade and a sharp curve there.

1940
04:36:25,140 --> 04:36:26,340
Why do I know this?

1941
04:36:26,780 --> 04:36:33,660
I'm a retired locomotive engineer out of Roosevelt, so also a retired auditor account.

1942
04:36:33,940 --> 04:36:39,080
So I was a little unique that way, but anyhow, that's all I'm concerned about the safety issues.

1943
04:36:39,800 --> 04:36:42,420
And I just wanted to address that with the council.

1944
04:36:43,100 --> 04:36:44,360
Thank you, thanks for your time.

1945
04:36:44,720 --> 04:36:45,360
Thank you, thank you.

1946
04:36:54,440 --> 04:36:55,240
Good evening, everyone.

1947
04:36:55,560 --> 04:37:02,000
My name is James, and I feel like my thunder was stolen because he mentioned two of my main points here.

1948
04:37:02,000 --> 04:37:05,540
The first one is as a father of two young girls.

1949
04:37:05,800 --> 04:37:17,880
I am definitely concerned about some information I learned here today, which was that the property, if I understood right, would not be paying property taxes, which is a large portion of what funds are great schools.

1950
04:37:18,520 --> 04:37:22,960
They are not school age yet, but I fully intend to make use of our great public schools.

1951
04:37:22,960 --> 04:37:31,180
and that is a huge blow, not only I was only thinking the impact to the school sizes and

1952
04:37:31,180 --> 04:37:36,160
teachers and the stress that is going to put them out of school district, and now I'm

1953
04:37:36,160 --> 04:37:44,080
learning that they are not going to be contributing in any way to help the issues that are going

1954
04:37:44,080 --> 04:37:45,400
to arise with that.

1955
04:37:45,540 --> 04:37:51,380
That is something that I do not know if can be taken into consideration at this time, but

1956
04:37:51,380 --> 04:37:54,360
something that needs to be focused on moving forward.

1957
04:37:55,460 --> 04:38:01,660
As I said, two young girls, I've been living on Midas between Argonaut and

1958
04:38:01,660 --> 04:38:03,500
Fifth Street for the past four years.

1959
04:38:04,600 --> 04:38:08,140
We moved there knowing the middle school was there, perfectly happy.

1960
04:38:08,280 --> 04:38:12,180
I know it's a very busy middle school, very nice school, I hope to send my girls there someday.

1961
04:38:13,580 --> 04:38:17,960
What I did not realize, which is only going to get worse with this development,

1962
04:38:17,960 --> 04:38:45,620
is the amount of traffic that has been mentioned, that as our city has grown in the north, the amount of traffic to and from the Whitney area, that utilizes the Argonaut and Midas pass through thoroughfare whatever we want to call it, not designed for that, and it is posing a very large safety risk, in my opinion, to anyone walking the trails or the streets.

1963
04:38:46,980 --> 04:38:52,420
that combined with the parking. I think going back a little bit, people are asking where

1964
04:38:52,420 --> 04:38:57,160
the parking is going to be. When they can't park in the lot, I can kind of tell you it's

1965
04:38:57,160 --> 04:39:01,360
going to be on Midas. I don't know how to rectify that, but it's going to be on the other side

1966
04:39:01,360 --> 04:39:07,120
of those tracks. So people are going to be walking over those tracks more and more as they're

1967
04:39:07,120 --> 04:39:13,460
parking on the north side and walking to the south side. I also think that is a big security

1968
04:39:13,460 --> 04:39:19,520
issue or safety issues, sorry. That should be addressed. I think that's all I have. Thank

1969
04:39:19,520 --> 04:39:19,960
you for your time.

1970
04:39:28,130 --> 04:39:32,870
Good evening, Mayor. Council, people, council members. I'm Kim Spirer.

1971
04:39:32,970 --> 04:39:38,110
I live at 4604, a district court. So I live off of minus, but I'm impacted by minus.

1972
04:39:38,450 --> 04:39:43,130
And I've learned a lot tonight from hearing all of you, and you've addressed a lot of my issues

1973
04:39:43,130 --> 04:39:52,130
with the parking and the zoning and I just want to stress that the traffic issues that

1974
04:39:52,130 --> 04:39:55,170
we have on minus, everyone's addressed is huge.

1975
04:39:56,110 --> 04:39:59,830
According to that TIE or that transfer

1976
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:29,980
Transportation report, you're going to add an extra 101 cars in the morning, and 129 at night, peak hours coming to and from. I don't know how they're going to get in and out of Midas. I don't know how we're going to get in and out of Midas at that time. If you can block that Midas side off, make it only for emergency vehicles, that certainly would help us residents farther up. We already have a large impact as a result of everyone who cuts through a Midas Argonaut and goes up south Whitney.

1977
04:40:31,620 --> 04:40:43,020
And also with respect to the number of units, it's 39.5 units, why not 33 units per acre?

1978
04:40:43,780 --> 04:40:50,040
I don't know why I went up to 39.5 unless that's what it takes to make work, the numbers work out.

1979
04:40:51,240 --> 04:40:57,740
So I would extremely stress that we look at what's going to happen with the traffic.

1980
04:40:57,740 --> 04:41:11,200
And furthermore, if we have the state mandated that we have to have the housing, what are the sites in Rosar in Rockland are designated for units like this?

1981
04:41:12,400 --> 04:41:19,600
And can they be put where places aren't quite as impacted as this is at this busy, busy corner already?

1982
04:41:20,540 --> 04:41:27,320
Pacific Street and Midas would have been the last place I would have designated for this type of housing unit.

1983
04:41:27,320 --> 04:41:32,980
But because it's already busy, put it out where it isn't quite as busy and

1984
04:41:32,980 --> 04:41:35,540
doesn't have quite as a large impact on the community.

1985
04:41:36,120 --> 04:41:40,140
But I think your staff has done a great job on their staff report.

1986
04:41:40,880 --> 04:41:45,880
Great presentation here, but it's really going to impact us that pay property tax.

1987
04:41:46,440 --> 04:41:51,680
I know you don't have any control over that, but I really appreciate you allowing me some time to speak.

1988
04:41:52,680 --> 04:41:53,340
Thank you.

1989
04:41:56,410 --> 04:42:00,530
Linda Killian, followed by Joyce Sanner and John Wall.

1990
04:42:03,400 --> 04:42:04,780
Good evening, everyone.

1991
04:42:05,280 --> 04:42:11,760
My name is Linda Killian and my husband Scott and I have lived at 4606.

1992
04:42:11,760 --> 04:42:13,440
I'm in Hill Drive since 1990.

1993
04:42:14,280 --> 04:42:20,860
We've raised our family here as well as not providing daycare for our two grandchildren in our home each weekday.

1994
04:42:21,660 --> 04:42:28,220
I understand the city of Rockland is under pressure from the state of California's Assembly Bill 712.

1995
04:42:28,220 --> 04:42:37,100
to requiring affordable housing, so we're probably stuck with building some type of housing on the corner of Midas and Pacific.

1996
04:42:37,820 --> 04:42:46,080
But I'm hoping we could try to compromise on the size of the apartment complex by decreasing the number of residents and cars.

1997
04:42:47,240 --> 04:42:55,640
Our neighbourhood's primary route from our homes to the northwest toward Loomis is from Argonaut down Midas and then to Pacific.

1998
04:42:55,640 --> 04:43:22,180
This proposed development at Midas and Pacific Streets with 281 apartments and 300 plus more cars will severely impact traffic patterns during work, rush hours of mornings and evenings, as everyone has already mentioned, as well as during busy school hours for mornings and afternoons, these traffic patterns would occur four times each weekday.

1999
04:43:23,360 --> 04:43:40,620
complicating the safety issue of both current and proposed residents is the fact of two sets of railroad tracks immediately adjacent to the development, the addition of two to 300 more cars to this corner is clearly a safety concern for everyone involved.

2000
04:43:43,220 --> 04:43:48,120
You guys have done a great job asking all the right questions so I really appreciate that.

2001
04:43:48,120 --> 04:43:55,020
That one other important safety issue to raise is for the children of the proposed development.

2002
04:43:55,700 --> 04:44:06,000
Great school aged children may be directed to the Rockland Elementary School, possibly having their young children needing to walk across Pacific Street.

2003
04:44:06,940 --> 04:44:14,900
If new apartment residents have slightly older children, they may need to walk across the rail tracks to our Springview Middle School.

2004
04:44:14,900 --> 04:44:22,080
They may also have bicycles or e-bikes going across railroad tracks, as our city considered

2005
04:44:22,080 --> 04:44:26,720
the safety issues surrounding additional pedestrian and bicycle traffic.

2006
04:44:27,740 --> 04:44:34,940
I request the City Council rethink the proposed development to try to downsize it, the impacts

2007
04:44:34,940 --> 04:44:41,160
to cars, pedestrians, and bicycle traffic due to high volume of adults and children, as well

2008
04:44:41,160 --> 04:44:43,580
as the safety issues for everyone involved.

2009
04:44:43,580 --> 04:44:44,620
Thank you.

2010
04:44:54,430 --> 04:44:55,590
I'm Joyce Satter.

2011
04:44:55,870 --> 04:44:59,970
I've been a resident here of Rockland for 35 years in my-

2012
04:45:00,400 --> 04:45:29,200
Two previous women just pretty much said everything that I need to say. I instead of living on Midas, I live at high in Pine, and I can probably guarantee that we would even still get spill over onto our neck of the woods. But it really does come down to a safety issue for the children. Has there been that impact into our school systems as well? And for the high density plan,

2013
04:45:29,200 --> 04:45:34,320
I mentioned, you know, we're at 39.5 and it was zoned for a 33.

2014
04:45:35,740 --> 04:45:38,380
Is there some other unit that we could do?

2015
04:45:38,640 --> 04:45:39,740
Is there a compromise?

2016
04:45:40,660 --> 04:45:45,780
Save some of the heritage oaks and instead of being a seven acre, maybe it's six acres

2017
04:45:45,780 --> 04:45:48,020
and that brings the high density ratio down.

2018
04:45:48,340 --> 04:45:54,840
I don't know what you can do with numbers but really I'm all for affordable housing because

2019
04:45:54,840 --> 04:45:57,700
my two grown children had to move outside of Rockland.

2020
04:45:57,700 --> 04:46:00,260
So it's not so much the affordable housing.

2021
04:46:00,260 --> 04:46:03,760
It's just the fact that we are building a fourth story here.

2022
04:46:04,400 --> 04:46:10,780
And the impact of traffic and child safety is a definite concern that I think you guys all need to consider.

2023
04:46:11,060 --> 04:46:11,340
Thank you.

2024
04:46:11,580 --> 04:46:11,980
Good

2025
04:46:22,640 --> 04:46:23,240
evening, everyone.

2026
04:46:24,340 --> 04:46:35,700
My name is John Wall, I live on Midas Avenue, I've been there for about 43 years, and I had so many notes, but this council did such a great job tonight.

2027
04:46:35,700 --> 04:46:47,580
right, and asking the questions that most of them were answered, and I just want to reiterate what Councilmember Jill Gaildo said because it just really stands out my mind is that

2028
04:46:49,880 --> 04:47:02,680
Midas Avenue was never meant to have as many cars as it has on it, and you know, I owned a cafe in Bakery where that record story is for over eight years

2029
04:47:03,440 --> 04:47:18,140
and that was way back when, but I looked at that site every single day, but I also saw all the traffic even back then at that corner of Midas and Pacific was a big problem.

2030
04:47:18,140 --> 04:47:29,780
So, and then also I don't know if anyone remembers that it was a, I don't know, a few years back when that bridge collapsed, that little, you know, on Midas Avenue there.

2031
04:47:31,100 --> 04:47:39,280
And it made us all realize that because we couldn't take Midas, everyone had to go out to sunset.

2032
04:47:40,160 --> 04:47:47,520
And I was like, wow, the only way to get to a freeway in Old Rockland,

2033
04:47:47,520 --> 04:47:51,520
And in all of that area, is you either take Midas, or you take Sunset.

2034
04:47:51,920 --> 04:47:53,940
That's the only way to get to Pacific Street.

2035
04:47:55,260 --> 04:48:02,200
And so I remember just in that happening, just with that bridge that they had to repair it.

2036
04:48:02,480 --> 04:48:07,620
It was a nightmare just trying to work around that just to get there.

2037
04:48:07,780 --> 04:48:13,540
So when you have this many more vehicles coming into Midas and

2038
04:48:13,540 --> 04:48:16,520
that, I just think it is going to create a real big problem.

2039
04:48:16,520 --> 04:48:19,580
But anyway, thank you, I appreciate it, thank you.

2040
04:48:20,880 --> 04:48:26,080
Next speaker is Alan Sanchez, followed by Mike Newman and Bruce Lendorf.

2041
04:48:32,320 --> 04:48:36,580
Good evening mayor, vice mayor and council members.

2042
04:48:38,540 --> 04:48:40,260
You guys will get to know me.

2043
04:48:40,960 --> 04:48:44,660
I've actually came before you maybe last month, I think.

2044
04:48:45,280 --> 04:48:49,560
Just in regards to me, I'm new to this, I'm actually new to Rockland.

2045
04:48:49,560 --> 04:48:51,520
And I live off of Jamerson.

2046
04:48:52,400 --> 04:49:00,300
And the reason why I'm up here is, I really appreciate the community kind of stating their concerns.

2047
04:49:00,300 --> 04:49:06,560
I think one for myself was as we pull out onto Pacific from Jamerson,

2048
04:49:07,220 --> 04:49:10,420
because of the development that they have a quarry role,

2049
04:49:11,360 --> 04:49:16,320
you don't really have that much opportunity to jump onto Pacific without

2050
04:49:16,320 --> 04:49:22,260
how being careful from both sides, as you either merge if you're going to be turning left from there.

2051
04:49:23,020 --> 04:49:31,840
And so my concern is really around my spouse, if she was to get T-bone, a lot of times I already think it's all busy as it is.

2052
04:49:32,160 --> 04:49:42,740
A lot of the community members have said this, but just the consideration of we don't have the infrastructure to handle the volume of units.

2053
04:49:42,740 --> 04:49:46,100
It's like I was actually looking at California law, right?

2054
04:49:46,680 --> 04:49:54,120
Each room, particularly like even around like apartment complexes is usually two people per bedroom.

2055
04:49:54,480 --> 04:49:59,960
So that means like if we have a three bedroom unit, that's two pur-

2056
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:29,900
Two people per, plus even an additional person. That means seven per. So, you know, just even the numbers that we were talking about to allow. One car, if that on parking, let alone. I come from a multi-generational household within apartment, like an apartment, you know, my family is from Los Angeles. 11 people, I know that sounds kind of crazy. 11 people to one, you know, to bedroom apartment. And so what I'm saying is there's definitely

2057
04:50:29,900 --> 04:50:32,060
going to be more than one car per apartment.

2058
04:50:32,600 --> 04:50:40,020
And so, you know, considering that we already have other developments, 110 units here.

2059
04:50:40,320 --> 04:50:44,320
Just, I forget the street, just right here in front of the laundromat.

2060
04:50:45,400 --> 04:50:53,060
A hundred and ten of those, 50% of them are two or two and three bedrooms per unit.

2061
04:50:53,320 --> 04:50:58,420
So, I don't know if, you know, we've even looked at, we don't even have those places filled.

2062
04:50:59,340 --> 04:51:00,860
Let alone quarry roll.

2063
04:51:02,000 --> 04:51:05,400
But we haven't even seen what the traffic looks like even with that.

2064
04:51:05,760 --> 04:51:14,500
So what do we expect from 400 plus, you know, almost 400 plus people, you know, that could be living there.

2065
04:51:14,700 --> 04:51:28,320
It's just, you know, my thought that, you know, maybe the question is, you know, alternatives kind of like the young lady here said, maybe something smaller, or even, you know, the possibility of rezoning or just being creative of, like,

2066
04:51:28,320 --> 04:51:36,920
Maybe we just pay half the fine, but in order to mean, no, I'm saying like, find a smaller project and pay half the fine to compromise, right?

2067
04:51:37,060 --> 04:51:39,200
Make it make sense, so thank you guys very much.

2068
04:51:39,460 --> 04:51:40,140
Thank you so much.

2069
04:51:44,980 --> 04:51:49,940
I'm Aaron Councilmembers, my name's Mike Newman, I'm on Third Streets, I've been there for 26 years,

2070
04:51:50,160 --> 04:51:52,420
spoke with a couple of you, I appreciate you reaching back out to me.

2071
04:51:53,260 --> 04:51:57,440
I'm up here today because I was at the planning commission meeting when I got pushed through to you,

2072
04:51:57,440 --> 04:52:02,140
And I heard the developers say that they'd done community outreach, which was absurd.

2073
04:52:03,000 --> 04:52:09,300
And that compelled me to have a flyer design and sent out 4,000 people and

2074
04:52:09,300 --> 04:52:11,500
walk my street to bring awareness to this.

2075
04:52:11,560 --> 04:52:13,460
Now, as you can tell, you're welcome.

2076
04:52:14,220 --> 04:52:18,360
There's a lot of folks against it, and I'm not even enough to think that this project is not going to be built.

2077
04:52:18,940 --> 04:52:24,240
That said, two or a million units, if you take one or three bedrooms, split that in half, that's 560 people.

2078
04:52:25,280 --> 04:52:31,860
More than likely they're going to have at least one car, probably two, where those extra 180 cars are going to go.

2079
04:52:32,140 --> 04:52:36,600
I know they're going to go into my neighborhood, they're going to go across the street, they're going to get pushed down the road.

2080
04:52:37,340 --> 04:52:42,840
If we can do the EVA access from minus perfect, that will eliminate some of the traffic, but we still got this monolith.

2081
04:52:43,320 --> 04:52:47,020
We've got a 50 foot tall building that's overpopulated.

2082
04:52:47,220 --> 04:52:50,980
You've got 560 people minimum, crammed into a square block.

2083
04:52:50,980 --> 04:52:56,280
And when you mentioned that, reducing it to three stories would, what do you say?

2084
04:52:56,680 --> 04:53:03,960
Destroy the financial feasibility of the project, I beg to differ, because it's been presented as an altruistic project.

2085
04:53:04,280 --> 04:53:09,520
Coming in, by all means, we need affordable housing, we need affordable housing here for sure.

2086
04:53:09,960 --> 04:53:14,940
That said, this is not an altruistic endeavor, this is an opportunity to endeavor.

2087
04:53:14,940 --> 04:53:24,740
And all of that, they're glad handing and saying, we're going to do it because it's going to work and we can have this many, but we're only doing this many.

2088
04:53:24,980 --> 04:53:33,160
It's kind of a slap in the face because I know that the city council has been beat up by one developer in particular, but I know there's more coming on the pike.

2089
04:53:34,500 --> 04:53:39,840
I'm not naive that this is a projects enough to think that projects are not going to be built.

2090
04:53:39,840 --> 04:53:44,960
What I'm saying is, three stories versus four stories is going to make an immense difference.

2091
04:53:45,440 --> 04:53:49,720
In regards to the impact it's going to have on our community, I'm sure the project will survive.

2092
04:53:49,940 --> 04:53:51,500
I'm sure they'll make more than enough money.

2093
04:53:52,040 --> 04:53:52,880
It'll be fine for them.

2094
04:53:53,160 --> 04:53:56,980
I'm saying that I'm going to be doing it myself.

2095
04:53:57,260 --> 04:54:01,640
Brothers in the turn, I'm going to be looking into that about what our options aren't saying, okay, look.

2096
04:54:02,100 --> 04:54:09,820
We appreciate the idea, but we do need to scale this down because all of our 99% of our constituents are looking for something.

2097
04:54:09,820 --> 04:54:15,120
smaller because a 50-foot building on the corner of that spot is going to destroy the

2098
04:54:15,120 --> 04:54:23,660
character of this part of town. And it's not fair to us to be beholden to some LA-based

2099
04:54:23,660 --> 04:54:29,360
developer wanting to come in and take full advantage of every aspect of a lot that

2100
04:54:29,360 --> 04:54:34,260
they can under the guise of, we could be doing more, but we're going to do this just for

2101
04:54:34,260 --> 04:54:38,640
you guys. So that's what I've got to say about that. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

2102
04:54:38,640 --> 04:54:39,580
Thank you.

2103
04:54:40,200 --> 04:54:42,200
If you're around later on, I'd like to talk to you.

2104
04:54:42,920 --> 04:54:43,400
Thank you.

2105
04:54:50,010 --> 04:54:50,770
Good evening.

2106
04:54:51,350 --> 04:54:54,790
I'm Bruce Lindorf, and everything he just said.

2107
04:54:57,950 --> 04:54:59,910
You get to pick the winner.

2108
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:16,020
Members and losers. That's what it comes down to. Are the people in that neighborhood going to continue to lose? If this goes forward, the way it's designed, they win. The city doesn't even win.

2109
04:55:19,090 --> 04:55:31,370
Everybody knows about the parking problem, we've laid it all out, we've all heard it. Okay, if it has to be built, it'd be nice if it was smarter property.

2110
04:55:32,250 --> 04:55:39,770
But if it had to be built, okay, make all the units one unit, you know, one bedroom.

2111
04:55:41,290 --> 04:55:45,730
Then the building could be smaller, then they can have more parking on it.

2112
04:55:45,850 --> 04:55:51,650
And then you would actually have a ratio where the cars wouldn't be spilling out all down Midas.

2113
04:55:53,130 --> 04:55:54,230
Why not do that?

2114
04:55:54,950 --> 04:55:59,290
If you have to approve this, if you have no choice to move it somewhere else,

2115
04:56:00,710 --> 04:56:01,670
Why not do that?

2116
04:56:02,370 --> 04:56:02,970
Thank you.

2117
04:56:03,730 --> 04:56:03,950
Thank you.

2118
04:56:06,870 --> 04:56:11,090
One comment card remaining and there were a couple hands raised on Zoom.

2119
04:56:11,490 --> 04:56:11,670
Okay.

2120
04:56:12,070 --> 04:56:17,250
The speaker is Mr. Jeff Stambeck but not certain if he's still here.

2121
04:56:18,690 --> 04:56:19,650
Jeff Stambeck.

2122
04:56:23,590 --> 04:56:25,630
I can go to the comment on Zoom.

2123
04:56:25,870 --> 04:56:26,170
Please.

2124
04:56:26,930 --> 04:56:27,410
Jamal.

2125
04:56:33,840 --> 04:56:34,600
Yeah, thank you.

2126
04:56:34,680 --> 04:56:35,360
Can you guys hear me okay?

2127
04:56:36,160 --> 04:56:36,640
We can.

2128
04:56:37,260 --> 04:56:37,920
Of course.

2129
04:56:38,300 --> 04:56:38,500
All right.

2130
04:56:38,600 --> 04:56:40,420
Well, thank you guys for letting me.

2131
04:56:40,420 --> 04:56:43,380
I wish I could be there, but I wasn't able to attend tonight.

2132
04:56:44,760 --> 04:56:47,360
I appreciate the pressure you folks are under.

2133
04:56:48,200 --> 04:56:49,620
It gets something like this approved.

2134
04:56:49,900 --> 04:56:52,340
I'm fairly new to the neighborhood, so I'm not up to speed on everything.

2135
04:56:52,800 --> 04:56:54,980
But you know what, I heard about this.

2136
04:56:55,200 --> 04:56:56,340
I was pretty bummed out.

2137
04:56:56,860 --> 04:56:57,980
I mean, I love living in this area.

2138
04:56:58,760 --> 04:56:59,940
It's a great community.

2139
04:56:59,940 --> 04:57:00,840
It's a great neighborhood.

2140
04:57:01,620 --> 04:57:04,760
But definitely have some concerns on this project.

2141
04:57:05,360 --> 04:57:07,960
But you know, I was reading through a few things

2142
04:57:07,960 --> 04:57:14,560
and know that on the city's general plan, you know, the design review board has to include the

2143
04:57:14,560 --> 04:57:19,960
compatibility of height and scale structures and their criteria for approval. It doesn't sound

2144
04:57:19,960 --> 04:57:25,600
like a four-story building is very, very compatible with the areas. There isn't really anything that

2145
04:57:25,600 --> 04:57:32,400
size around. Part of that same criteria is meant to include the preservation of oak trees and parking

2146
04:57:32,400 --> 04:57:38,440
guidelines sounds like those are going by the wayside two and it sounds like

2147
04:57:38,440 --> 04:57:42,580
you might be in some under some pressure to do that but you know I was reading

2148
04:57:42,580 --> 04:57:47,840
that in the general plan so it would be nice to see if we could kind of stand

2149
04:57:47,840 --> 04:57:50,760
pat on what we're trying to do in this community because it's such a great place to

2150
04:57:50,760 --> 04:57:57,960
live. There's 171 units planned to be two or three bedrooms you know a lot of

2151
04:57:57,960 --> 04:58:03,340
those are going to have two or three drivers, especially considering 70% of people are commuting

2152
04:58:03,340 --> 04:58:09,520
out of the city to different places. They're definitely going to have two to three cars per unit

2153
04:58:09,520 --> 04:58:15,160
and you just can't deny that. It's absolutely going to happen. You know, once that parking

2154
04:58:15,160 --> 04:58:20,480
on is full, people are going to start parking neighborhoods. It's going to be more congested,

2155
04:58:20,480 --> 04:58:28,860
on safe. You know I heard one of the guys from Waterford kind of hint that you know we put that

2156
04:58:28,860 --> 04:58:33,080
on the city to kind of manage right so now what since we live in the neighborhood we're going

2157
04:58:33,080 --> 04:58:38,180
to have to buy parking passes you know we're going to turn into the East Sacramento and I don't

2158
04:58:38,180 --> 04:58:44,160
want to buy a parking pass to park my neighborhood you know there was 36 tandem spots but that's

2159
04:58:44,160 --> 04:58:53,260
72 park vehicles, which means there's not a clear plan for almost 20% of a very scarce and very important resource for this

2160
04:58:54,540 --> 04:58:54,980
complex

2161
04:58:55,760 --> 04:59:02,260
Some of the comment that removing the four story would lower the parking spaces because you'd have to spread the ports for across the property

2162
04:59:02,260 --> 04:59:05,140
But you know, why do you need to build two under eight units?

2163
04:59:05,140 --> 04:59:10,600
Maybe there's reason I don't I don't understand right because I was so new to this, but do you really have to and

2164
04:59:11,540 --> 04:59:13,440
How can it not be financially feasible?

2165
04:59:14,160 --> 04:59:22,160
If you don't have to be property taxes on this and we property taxes are easily 25 to 30% of operating expenses for a property like this

2166
04:59:22,160 --> 04:59:27,780
So if you're not playing property taxes, you can't you can't tell me it's not going to be financially feasible

2167
04:59:28,960 --> 04:59:29,720
You know the

2168
04:59:31,000 --> 04:59:33,420
plan structure is a little bit too big for the infrastructure

2169
04:59:34,560 --> 04:59:41,280
Adding 21 units. Sorry over congested minus is pretty jammed up if you thank you if you can finish up

2170
04:59:41,780 --> 04:59:45,120
We have a three-minute time limit, but if you could finish your thought, I'd appreciate it.

2171
04:59:45,900 --> 04:59:48,840
Yeah, well the only thing I was going to add is just the

2172
04:59:50,000 --> 04:59:54,040
those two main intersections are already projected to be over the

2173
04:59:55,280 --> 04:59:59,960
level of the at the level of service of C. There can be level of service E and D-

2174
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:11,380
If you have no time in adding this, is this going to make that even worse? Is it going to be level service F and no time in those two intersections? So, anyways, appreciate the time, guys. Thank you. I know why I look up.

2175
05:00:13,550 --> 05:00:17,230
Are you there? Next. Mr. Jeff Stanbuck.

2176
05:00:20,320 --> 05:00:30,960
Hello, Mayor and councilmembers and staff. My name is Jeff Stanbuck. I live in the Culver Valley area, which is down by the old golf course.

2177
05:00:30,960 --> 05:00:46,820
First, the two things with infrastructure that I keep thinking about, that not mentioned, is you have 110 unit complex being built right now on Pacific about two blocks down from this proposed complexes, that's low income.

2178
05:00:47,560 --> 05:00:55,580
And you also have, I think, a proposal for low income over by the Kmart, old Kmart, which is a Walmart.

2179
05:00:57,500 --> 05:01:02,040
I'm all for low income housing in the right place.

2180
05:01:02,780 --> 05:01:09,520
I think by cramming this much low housing in an area on the side of the railroad tracks is a bad idea.

2181
05:01:10,420 --> 05:01:17,260
Where we're at, I've been in my house for, I've been in Rockland 45 years, I've been on one side of the railroad tracks and now I'm on the other side.

2182
05:01:18,100 --> 05:01:21,260
Traffic will never support what you're trying to build here, never.

2183
05:01:22,120 --> 05:01:26,220
five years from now, you'll look back at this and you'll go, wow, do we mess up?

2184
05:01:26,680 --> 05:01:34,660
You're ruining the whole culture of what Cory Park is, but you're trying to put a monster like this on this piece of property.

2185
05:01:35,480 --> 05:01:39,560
I worked for the railroad for 45 years, and I also was a general contractor.

2186
05:01:39,900 --> 05:01:47,560
And as a general contractor, I don't think you have to be an engineer or rocket scientist to look at this and go, wow, this doesn't fit, this doesn't work.

2187
05:01:48,520 --> 05:01:52,660
You're never going to be able to increase the infrastructure, period, I mean, the way it's built.

2188
05:01:54,720 --> 05:01:57,080
So I'm completely opposed to this.

2189
05:01:57,440 --> 05:02:01,180
The other thing that was one of my concerns as the other gentleman mentioned to work for the railroad.

2190
05:02:01,740 --> 05:02:06,140
I've been out there 45 years I've been with the railroad, I'm retired now.

2191
05:02:06,540 --> 05:02:14,420
I've been out there many times on the main line, on both those main lines, cleaning up derailments, hazardous spills, things like that.

2192
05:02:14,420 --> 05:02:20,140
But if you ever had a catastrophic spill in that area, everybody's gone.

2193
05:02:20,940 --> 05:02:30,520
We ship all the hazardous commodities they can't ship by truck, LPG gas, chemicals that will kill you if you breathe it.

2194
05:02:31,120 --> 05:02:37,020
So that's one of my concerns, you're putting a high density population near a railroad track.

2195
05:02:37,020 --> 05:02:40,800
If you look at all the other establishments that are around most railroad track,

2196
05:02:41,560 --> 05:02:46,520
right-a-ways, they're mostly commercial industrial because they have a low population.

2197
05:02:47,720 --> 05:02:52,700
So I'm just, my own piece of mind, and what I see Rockman turning into,

2198
05:02:52,920 --> 05:02:55,660
I don't want to see this happen to this, to the quarry park area.

2199
05:02:55,980 --> 05:02:57,280
I think there's lots of other areas.

2200
05:02:57,600 --> 05:03:03,340
You could put this out towards, you know, where you're talking about putting some of these parks or places.

2201
05:03:03,340 --> 05:03:10,420
And the other thing is, there is no infrastructure, no matter what anybody says about bus stops and the rail train.

2202
05:03:11,160 --> 05:03:16,160
People that are living in these units will not be using the train commuting back and forth and work.

2203
05:03:16,460 --> 05:03:19,260
So that's not even, that's a mute issue as far as I'm concerned.

2204
05:03:19,740 --> 05:03:25,160
Thank you for what you guys do, and I hope you look logically at this and

2205
05:03:25,160 --> 05:03:29,460
realize that this is a nice project, but it's just not gonna fit on this piece of property.

2206
05:03:29,880 --> 05:03:30,120
Thank you.

2207
05:03:30,120 --> 05:03:31,120
Thank you.

2208
05:03:35,600 --> 05:03:37,620
Is that okay?

2209
05:03:38,480 --> 05:03:40,080
Do we have any other comments?

2210
05:03:49,390 --> 05:03:51,810
Good evening, my name's Matt Weisenborn.

2211
05:03:52,250 --> 05:03:53,490
I live in Mission Hills.

2212
05:03:55,370 --> 05:03:57,470
And I think I wasn't going to say anything, but

2213
05:03:57,470 --> 05:04:00,550
I'm just listening to all the comments that were made today.

2214
05:04:00,670 --> 05:04:04,170
And it just seems to me that at the end of the day,

2215
05:04:05,930 --> 05:04:10,030
either the site itself isn't suitable for

2216
05:04:10,030 --> 05:04:15,130
or the proposed project or the economics just don't work out for the applicant.

2217
05:04:17,320 --> 05:04:25,890
To the extent that the council considers parking and traffic to be a health and safety issue,

2218
05:04:27,930 --> 05:04:36,490
councilmember Gallardo suggested, hey, why can't we have a two-story parking structure to accommodate the additional vehicles?

2219
05:04:36,490 --> 05:04:40,370
And the answer to that was, it's not financially feasible.

2220
05:04:41,270 --> 05:04:41,810
Okay,

2221
05:04:44,840 --> 05:04:49,020
as many people have said, those additional cars, they're going to end up in the neighborhoods.

2222
05:04:50,760 --> 05:04:59,780
It's going to end up with additional foot traffic, probably additional conflict with the residents.

2223
05:05:00,720 --> 05:05:30,020
And certainly additional enforcement action to the extent that people decide to park a commercial businesses, which is going to put a strain on police, and perhaps the most concerning safety issue is the new traffic patterns that are going to be established. So, you know, I heard it earlier, they call it a suicide lane for a reason.

2224
05:05:30,020 --> 05:05:45,580
And, you know, that's a legitimate safety concern, and it's going to draw both on the police force and the fire force to the extent that they're responding to medical.

2225
05:05:47,020 --> 05:05:57,140
And the additional foot traffic is another issue that, especially over those tracks that can create a safety issue that needs to be concerned, so it needs to be considered.

2226
05:05:57,140 --> 05:06:15,460
So, those issues, and then the one other thing, and this may have already been addressed, but to the extent that the construction is going to involve pile of driving, drilling into the ground, close to that pipeline, I would hope that that has been addressed and considered.

2227
05:06:15,960 --> 05:06:19,440
So, thank you guys for everything.

2228
05:06:19,440 --> 05:06:19,760
Thank you.

2229
05:06:20,000 --> 05:06:20,400
If

2230
05:06:29,040 --> 05:06:32,320
there's no further public comment, I will now close the public comment.

2231
05:06:32,680 --> 05:06:33,040
Yes.

2232
05:06:33,820 --> 05:06:34,340
We do.

2233
05:06:34,820 --> 05:06:35,260
All right.

2234
05:06:36,280 --> 05:06:37,200
We're here for it.

2235
05:06:49,520 --> 05:06:52,900
First, I want to say thank you, good evening, for all the thoughts that you put into

2236
05:06:52,900 --> 05:06:53,300
this.

2237
05:06:53,840 --> 05:06:58,800
And as far as the neighborhood notification, I don't know if I missed it or not, but I got

2238
05:06:58,800 --> 05:07:02,460
the fire that the gentleman sent out because I live north of this.

2239
05:07:03,000 --> 05:07:06,260
And it seems like the only people that were really surveyed were south of it.

2240
05:07:06,260 --> 05:07:09,780
And everybody that spoke before me has very good comments.

2241
05:07:10,540 --> 05:07:15,860
I tell you a little sense of fear, and I'll tell you why I worked with emergency management for 10 years with a state.

2242
05:07:17,860 --> 05:07:21,600
And I'm concerned about all the hazards that have been mentioned.

2243
05:07:22,140 --> 05:07:25,700
The pile driving those last comments were really kind of drove a place home.

2244
05:07:26,820 --> 05:07:32,220
The threat hazard, identifications and risk analysis has really been done thoroughly for this site.

2245
05:07:33,060 --> 05:07:38,100
They mention them, but I'm wondering on what level the state we could bring our concerns to too.

2246
05:07:38,180 --> 05:07:41,660
Because I realize you're pushed into having some low income housing.

2247
05:07:41,800 --> 05:07:44,760
I grew up low income, I think it's great to have some decent housing.

2248
05:07:45,640 --> 05:07:52,720
But the threats that are here by the railroad tracks, for and kindergarten, and for all the kids going to school.

2249
05:07:52,880 --> 05:07:55,720
I don't even see kids walking anymore, maybe two or three in the neighborhood.

2250
05:07:56,320 --> 05:08:02,200
Everybody else gets driven, and that's a bunch more kids getting driven to school in areas where they've already said it's a problem.

2251
05:08:02,200 --> 05:08:11,000
And I'm wondering what happened to the proposed project that was set up for, I believe you said it was K-Mart or Wal-Mart at sunset and I believe Woodside.

2252
05:08:11,920 --> 05:08:28,980
What happened to that? It seems like it's better, at least there's signals there, there's two lane streets out in the neighborhood would be impacted too, but there's not these serious possibilities with the railroad track, there hazards alone and the kindergarten track and people walking around there.

2253
05:08:28,980 --> 05:08:34,540
Everybody else has covered all the other comments, so that's all I had to say, it really concerns me.

2254
05:08:34,620 --> 05:08:38,620
And if there's an accident and a derailment, everybody is impacted.

2255
05:08:39,540 --> 05:08:47,200
North of their south of their east and west is just going to leave it there because it's terrifying, thank you.

2256
05:08:47,560 --> 05:08:47,960
Thank you,

2257
05:08:50,780 --> 05:08:52,640
is there anyone else?

2258
05:08:55,140 --> 05:09:01,320
All right, now I will close public comment, I'm going to bring it back to council at this point.

2259
05:09:01,320 --> 05:09:17,860
Further clarifications, or I can start asking, I just want to identify two issues that were raised that I think we could answer right now, specifically is there was the question of can the density of this be reduced.

2260
05:09:17,860 --> 05:09:18,880
The

2261
05:09:23,100 --> 05:09:32,240
zoning of the site is a minimum density of 33 units per acre, so they are over that, so they meet the minimum requirements.

2262
05:09:32,840 --> 05:09:34,700
So they objectively meet the requirements.

2263
05:09:35,060 --> 05:09:36,480
Objectively meet the requirements.

2264
05:09:37,020 --> 05:09:42,160
Is there a caveat at all to that in terms, I understand the feasibility aspect of it and

2265
05:09:42,160 --> 05:09:49,000
we can get into that if somebody wants to talk about when making determinations and

2266
05:09:49,000 --> 05:09:54,860
making requests, we technically can't make something that is financially unfeasible unless

2267
05:09:54,860 --> 05:09:59,820
there's a specific standard and it's ingridden and objectifiable and verifiable.

2268
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:17,060
But without sounding too much like a lawyer, like I just did, the, I get the 33, and obviously we're here at 39. So is there a plain language way to explain how that, how that plays out for us?

2269
05:10:21,300 --> 05:10:23,460
I need help with the turning on my mic.

2270
05:10:26,080 --> 05:10:49,460
There is a requirement for this application if the council wish to condition the project other than how the applicant has proposed it, certain findings must be made, and I'm going to read the statute because it deals with some of the mayor's questions, since for housing development project, which is this project.

2271
05:10:49,460 --> 05:11:00,080
The council shall not disapprove the housing development project, or condition approval in a manner that renders the housing development project

2272
05:11:03,080 --> 05:11:19,320
infeasible unless it makes written findings, and the infeasibility goes to the affordability, so when you continue to read the statute the requirements go to the affordability, so there is a concern that if the council's interested in

2273
05:11:19,320 --> 05:11:28,980
imposing conditions other than how the applicant has proposed it, that there must be findings that those conditions do not make the project invisible.

2274
05:11:30,120 --> 05:11:30,220
Okay.

2275
05:11:32,580 --> 05:11:38,540
And I can make some comments about that and I don't think we need to get into the case law and everything.

2276
05:11:38,800 --> 05:11:44,280
But as for the Kmart project, can there be some information given on that?

2277
05:11:44,280 --> 05:12:06,460
And I think that the reason it's relevant, as it relates to this hearing as well, is because of the questions that have been raised about where can you place other affordable projects, and there are a number of projects that just haven't been built, so can we get some information on the Kmart Project.

2278
05:12:06,460 --> 05:12:09,640
So that received its approvals from the City Council.

2279
05:12:09,840 --> 05:12:17,960
I believe in 2019, so it's been a long time before that project came before this

2280
05:12:17,960 --> 05:12:25,880
body, different composition to be approved, and it has never moved forward with its plans.

2281
05:12:26,260 --> 05:12:31,080
I know there was a lot of conflict for a while between the property owner and Wal-Mart over

2282
05:12:31,080 --> 05:12:31,800
the shared parking.

2283
05:12:32,000 --> 05:12:33,280
I don't know if that's ever been addressed.

2284
05:12:33,280 --> 05:12:46,430
So what part in the project is it got extended they got it yeah, it's still active yeah, it's still an active project

2285
05:12:46,430 --> 05:12:52,490
They the as far as they've gone as we've talked about is to go through the demolition of the former came our building

2286
05:12:53,150 --> 05:12:55,210
They still haven't come to the city to

2287
05:12:56,030 --> 05:13:00,530
Process the rest of the plans that would be required to move forward with like building permits and things like that

2288
05:13:00,530 --> 05:13:08,290
So that's been seven years, ish, since it was approved by the city, the city, city council at that time.

2289
05:13:09,270 --> 05:13:17,490
That parcel, I don't believe, is one of the parcels of the city was obligated to identify that could be potentially for

2290
05:13:18,810 --> 05:13:24,750
lower incomes under the area median income that was required as part of our current housing element.

2291
05:13:24,750 --> 05:13:41,550
the housing element required the city to find enough zoning to produce approximately 5,000 units of housing of which approximately 3,500 of those would be available to families making incomes lower than the area median income.

2292
05:13:42,130 --> 05:13:49,810
So the whole process and this is an obligation required by state law and multiple statutes and the regulations are very onerous if we don't comply.

2293
05:13:50,530 --> 05:14:00,010
So, this parcel, because it had already been residentally zoned, in the past was identified as one of those potential unit parcels that could be considered for higher density.

2294
05:14:00,790 --> 05:14:11,430
We established that minimum density, but if the project is meeting all the affordable criteria understay law, then they can ask for more, which is what we're talking about here.

2295
05:14:11,430 --> 05:14:22,150
But that's one of the reasons you see projects like this on some of the sites in downtown is because we are obligated to find space by state law for more than 3,500 units.

2296
05:14:22,730 --> 05:14:30,950
Some of those units are currently under construction and we're thrilled about that because we do need a mix of housing types in our community.

2297
05:14:30,950 --> 05:14:48,050
They are also dispersed throughout the community, they are not just, it's coincidental that we have two projects going right now along Pacific that are really close to each other, but the locations are dispersed throughout the community, it's just we're talking about those two in a kind of a short period of time.

2298
05:14:48,050 --> 05:14:53,170
Okay. Thank you. All right. Questions I will start on my right.

2299
05:14:56,160 --> 05:14:59,100
Questions, comments, comments. Okay. We'll get to those.

2300
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:29,920
Questions? Mr. Mayor, I don't know if staff wants to speak to this, but there were a couple of references to the impact on the school. And I know from the school reports that the school numbers, they've actually declined the past four years. So the impact on the schools actually would not be a negative with this given that the school attended this number.

2301
05:15:29,920 --> 05:15:38,540
of actual students in our schools that declined the past four years, I believe that was recently shared by the school district itself.

2302
05:15:38,960 --> 05:15:57,340
Your correct council member, Broadway, recently when the school district went through a process to surplus of property that they had identified for a potential third junior high site, a lot of the discussion and decisions around that were based on the fact that their projected enrollment was declining.

2303
05:15:57,340 --> 05:16:03,920
And so they believe they could accommodate the any future growth on the two existing junior

2304
05:16:03,920 --> 05:16:04,300
high sites.

2305
05:16:04,300 --> 05:16:08,000
I believe this happened maybe two or three, two years ago, something in that around.

2306
05:16:08,680 --> 05:16:16,060
I'm going to defer to either Bennett or perhaps David for specifics, but my understanding is

2307
05:16:16,060 --> 05:16:22,340
when our general plan is developed and properties are zoned, one of the impacts of the staking

2308
05:16:22,340 --> 05:16:25,140
into account at that time is school projections.

2309
05:16:26,200 --> 05:16:34,760
David is not in, so if you want more detail, I'm sure he can stand up, but it is taken into account when the project was originally zoned.

2310
05:16:39,960 --> 05:16:39,980
Right.

2311
05:16:42,640 --> 05:16:47,960
We don't speak for the schools, but just have enough knowledge to be dangerous about it.

2312
05:16:48,240 --> 05:16:51,400
As you mentioned, after COVID, our schools, we did lose some kids.

2313
05:16:51,580 --> 05:16:53,020
We had some declining enrollment.

2314
05:16:53,980 --> 05:16:59,620
before we built Whitney High Rock and High was a 2700 students, I think it's now about 1900.

2315
05:17:00,800 --> 05:17:06,540
So yes, they won't get the property tax, they still would get the attendance, the ADA from the state.

2316
05:17:06,900 --> 05:17:13,940
So I think as far as housing, I think the schools are likely fine, we'll certainly confirm with them.

2317
05:17:14,320 --> 05:17:22,860
But I believe they have an impact fee as well, so hopefully that will help resolve some of the worries about the school piece.

2318
05:17:22,860 --> 05:17:23,680
Okay.

2319
05:17:27,690 --> 05:17:29,030
Actually, Mr. Mayor, I do have one question.

2320
05:17:29,250 --> 05:17:35,930
So one of the speakers brought up kind of safety around the railroad and additional pedestrian

2321
05:17:35,930 --> 05:17:36,870
traffic.

2322
05:17:37,310 --> 05:17:46,690
Is there any requirement based on how many people within an intersection of a train, anything

2323
05:17:46,690 --> 05:17:52,450
that needs to be done, additional signage, striping, some lights.

2324
05:17:52,450 --> 05:17:56,250
You know, just to make pedestrians aware.

2325
05:17:58,050 --> 05:18:05,470
So you're saying the pedestrian infrastructure or near the railroads, making them aware of that this is a railroad?

2326
05:18:06,010 --> 05:18:06,870
Right, right.

2327
05:18:07,730 --> 05:18:08,810
I don't know if there's any.

2328
05:18:08,910 --> 05:18:19,850
I can't speak to that particular project and I don't believe we have anyone representing public works here anymore, but the City of Rocklands, you may know, has a quiet zone designation at all of our railroads.

2329
05:18:19,850 --> 05:18:23,130
so I do believe we have enhanced signage already

2330
05:18:23,130 --> 05:18:26,330
at each of the road crossings, the at-grade crossings,

2331
05:18:26,330 --> 05:18:27,830
so basically everything but sunset,

2332
05:18:28,630 --> 05:18:30,370
which is one of the reasons you don't hear

2333
05:18:30,370 --> 05:18:32,750
trained whistles nearly as prevalent through Rockland

2334
05:18:32,750 --> 05:18:34,070
because we've gone through the process,

2335
05:18:34,090 --> 05:18:35,850
we get certified on a regular basis

2336
05:18:36,470 --> 05:18:42,450
to ensure that we have the right signage and markings

2337
05:18:42,450 --> 05:18:46,210
on the crossbars and the lights,

2338
05:18:46,390 --> 05:18:48,130
the flashing red lights, and not an expert,

2339
05:18:48,130 --> 05:18:53,410
but I know enough to be dangerous. So I don't know if the project is required anything

2340
05:18:53,410 --> 05:18:55,890
but we do that as part of our designation.

2341
05:18:56,430 --> 05:19:00,830
Okay. Does the applicant have any input on anything that you're aware of that you're required

2342
05:19:00,830 --> 05:19:01,370
to do?

2343
05:19:09,250 --> 05:19:15,730
All right. Well, this is the point of where we give our final comments. So I will start to

2344
05:19:15,730 --> 05:19:18,330
In my left, Council Member Broadway.

2345
05:19:22,620 --> 05:19:36,860
Yeah, these projects are always challenging, and unfortunately, we're not given a lot of flexibility from the state.

2346
05:19:37,560 --> 05:19:48,780
And while we talk about parking, our legislature has decided to pass laws that basically say there's actually no parking requirement.

2347
05:19:48,780 --> 05:19:59,680
So, the applicant has made a concerted effort to find parking and is going to look at potentially additional as it relates.

2348
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:29,940
To the densities, they're meeting the densities that are part of this project. And as our city attorney has stated, we would have to have findings that essentially would not negatively impact the ability to construct this. Now, we could all have our personal opinions on whether we believe this would pencil out or would be able to be

2349
05:20:29,940 --> 05:20:38,300
built based on, you know, reduction in essentially what is being proposed, but we have an organization

2350
05:20:38,300 --> 05:20:46,400
that this is what they do. They're saying that it can't be done and what we're required

2351
05:20:46,400 --> 05:20:52,300
from the state is to demonstrate that if we make a change, that that change isn't going

2352
05:20:52,300 --> 05:20:59,000
to make that untenable. And so I don't know that we can say based on the

2353
05:20:59,000 --> 05:21:10,480
information that's been shared, that we have anything to, at least in my, from my chair, to say we are going to require a reduction in the number of units, and be able to stand by that.

2354
05:21:10,840 --> 05:21:24,160
And then for me to say, well, we'll take on the financial responsibility of the state applying fines to us, and basically having court action taken.

2355
05:21:24,160 --> 05:21:41,980
And then potentially even having our decision-making stripped away because those are tools that our legislature has given to the state and the housing to use against cities if they don't comply with the requirements for affordable housing.

2356
05:21:42,320 --> 05:21:47,600
So we find ourselves in a very difficult position relative to this project.

2357
05:21:48,640 --> 05:21:53,400
It's a very large project on a fairly small parcel.

2358
05:21:54,600 --> 05:22:04,940
Does it meet the requirements that have been set relative to densities in the density bonuses that are provided by the state, the parking?

2359
05:22:05,620 --> 05:22:06,780
It actually does.

2360
05:22:07,880 --> 05:22:20,560
I think if this project can address the concerns that I expressed relative to the ingress and egress on Midas, and I think it's either EVA only or

2361
05:22:20,560 --> 05:22:25,220
Right in only, no, right out from the property on the Midas.

2362
05:22:25,580 --> 05:22:31,040
I think that helps address a significant amount of the concern relative to traffic on the Midas.

2363
05:22:31,840 --> 05:22:37,540
I think if we can look at finding some additional parking spaces, it eases some of that.

2364
05:22:37,820 --> 05:22:39,560
I don't think we're going to be able to ease all of it.

2365
05:22:40,360 --> 05:22:48,820
So as it stands, I'm excited about a project of this size and this scope being built on the site.

2366
05:22:48,820 --> 05:23:00,080
No. Do I feel that I have the ability to present a defensible requirement to modify this project?

2367
05:23:00,080 --> 05:23:09,700
I also don't believe so, and therefore I believe that we've had a project presented to us that can be based on what's been approved or been presented approved.

2368
05:23:10,220 --> 05:23:15,700
And so at this point, I would say I will support as presented by staff.

2369
05:23:17,000 --> 05:23:17,740
Thank you.

2370
05:23:20,000 --> 05:23:21,120
Thank you.

2371
05:23:21,780 --> 05:23:29,920
I think part of me feels like there's a lot of detail in this and I know for even the

2372
05:23:29,920 --> 05:23:33,380
terminology sometimes there's probably somebody like what are you talking about, what's the

2373
05:23:33,380 --> 05:23:34,160
HD, what's it.

2374
05:23:34,540 --> 05:23:41,300
So just kind of simplify, Rockland and every jurisdiction, Roseville, Rockland, Lincoln,

2375
05:23:41,300 --> 05:23:50,280
Again, Loomis, everybody, the county got assigned numbers and it was based on where the size we were, and then they said, you've got to build this many units.

2376
05:23:51,140 --> 05:23:59,440
If we were Lincoln, or we were Roseville, I got acreage up the gazebo, I can build anywhere, it's not a big deal.

2377
05:24:00,160 --> 05:24:03,440
We don't have very much space, and it's a real challenge.

2378
05:24:03,440 --> 05:24:20,600
So we had a group set down for over a year and brought in all kinds of stakeholders that said where can we find the zoning and we don't have to build the units but we have to put the zoning that says if you want to you can you sell this it can be multifamily workforce housing.

2379
05:24:20,600 --> 05:24:34,420
So they came up with that list and then I mean it's some of you remember because on one of those was the the piece at the end of Argonaut that everybody's like yeah, don't do that one, okay, I mean a lot of people were here saying don't do that one, don't do that one.

2380
05:24:34,820 --> 05:24:44,140
So we got down to the numbers and while we were doing that for just a little bit of time, we didn't match the numbers that the state told us we had to have.

2381
05:24:44,140 --> 05:24:51,960
So we're considered non-compliant and we immediately got the NASTY Graham and we immediately got what is the fearful part for me

2382
05:24:51,960 --> 05:24:59,840
And I think probably the rest of us there is a term called billeters remedy and if we aren't compliant with the housing plan we lose

2383
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:27,840
We got our ability to zone and we got a project that came in an application in the three weeks that we were out of two weeks. We were out of compliance and they came in and put in a project that we wouldn't get to have any control over again. I've never backed down from a fight in my life. I'm not going to lie. But the risk is and please please don't take this personally because you guys have actually tried to work with this way better than I can say for others.

2384
05:25:28,640 --> 05:25:33,740
but the risk is if I'm non-compliant while I'm fighting this I don't get to

2385
05:25:33,740 --> 05:25:38,100
zone my city anymore they'll build it while we're battling it's not like

2386
05:25:38,100 --> 05:25:43,660
everything stops and we do that so that that's really is the the worrisome

2387
05:25:43,660 --> 05:25:49,600
piece for me as far as the projects overwhelmingly if you go out by Whitney High

2388
05:25:49,600 --> 05:25:53,140
and you look at the condos that's where most of the projects have been we've been

2389
05:25:53,140 --> 05:26:00,280
doing them. They're going. This is the first time down in this area. And I share it before

2390
05:26:00,280 --> 05:26:06,520
you. This is my area. This is important. When my mother-in-law build her house, minus

2391
05:26:06,520 --> 05:26:13,180
didn't exist. It wasn't there. If you go by her or her house, I came to this council

2392
05:26:13,180 --> 05:26:17,240
before I was serving to say, I can't let her get killed back and out of her driveway.

2393
05:26:17,620 --> 05:26:22,040
It's a single lane driveway, and everybody coming around minus is going a hundred miles

2394
05:26:22,040 --> 05:26:26,580
an hour and they don't expect a car to be back and out of her driveway and it was really scary

2395
05:26:26,580 --> 05:26:35,660
for me. I get your worries about this area. What I do know is something's going to in that lot.

2396
05:26:37,840 --> 05:26:44,340
Do I take the risk of not, because I'm not approving the project, it's the design of the project.

2397
05:26:44,580 --> 05:26:50,100
Do we take that risk and have builders remedy jump in more much worse project?

2398
05:26:51,260 --> 05:26:59,220
If you go out on a Rockland road right now, right across the Sierra College, we're building

2399
05:26:59,220 --> 05:27:06,380
our first, where I say we, they are building our first low income for seniors.

2400
05:27:07,240 --> 05:27:10,540
And there were some houses that weren't really excited about that vacant lot.

2401
05:27:10,900 --> 05:27:15,300
And I had to go out and talk to them and say, I get it, but we're doing seniors, they'll

2402
05:27:15,300 --> 05:27:20,620
less traffic, they're not likely going to be as noisy and as much of an impact.

2403
05:27:21,080 --> 05:27:27,400
And instead of a house right on your fence line, it's going to be back 100 yards or more than that, I think it is.

2404
05:27:27,960 --> 05:27:29,740
So I'm kind of doing the same thing.

2405
05:27:29,880 --> 05:27:32,040
What can we do to make it a better project?

2406
05:27:32,900 --> 05:27:35,260
I get it and a couple people said, you know, you wanted it.

2407
05:27:35,480 --> 05:27:37,700
I don't think anybody here wants to build this project, right?

2408
05:27:38,700 --> 05:27:44,840
I know that it was zoned to be a market rate, smaller apartments and it made sense when we were doing that.

2409
05:27:44,840 --> 05:27:49,480
The businesses would be happy because businesses won't come until we have some rooftops.

2410
05:27:50,680 --> 05:27:56,340
But, unfortunately, and there's not the infrastructure, or that legislature doesn't seem to care.

2411
05:27:56,880 --> 05:28:00,580
They're flat out don't care that the infrastructure is not there.

2412
05:28:00,800 --> 05:28:04,400
I mean, literally this is a group that said we could build this without any parking.

2413
05:28:05,040 --> 05:28:14,420
But I think it makes zero sense, but I've got to sit here and go, is it worth the risk?

2414
05:28:16,220 --> 05:28:44,320
We do, and as you probably know, we had just at our last meeting, another project that's next to a school that's not happy about a project getting there, and the same thing that was supposed to generate sales tax, just like our churches in our schools, these won't generate any property tax or sales tax, we're in that same conversation of what can we do to make it better, but meanwhile, the night before that hearing, we got a letter from HCD and the last line in it,

2415
05:28:44,320 --> 05:28:47,700
It basically says, if you don't comply, we refer you to the attorney general.

2416
05:28:49,080 --> 05:28:50,680
Are we willing to take that risk?

2417
05:28:51,060 --> 05:28:52,700
And that's where I'm sitting here.

2418
05:28:53,240 --> 05:28:54,260
Now, can we make it better?

2419
05:28:55,540 --> 05:29:00,420
I'm going to ask you a good look and see how much would it cost to make a two-story parking

2420
05:29:00,420 --> 05:29:00,900
garage?

2421
05:29:01,880 --> 05:29:03,020
Is it feasible?

2422
05:29:03,280 --> 05:29:04,260
Is it something you can do?

2423
05:29:04,780 --> 05:29:05,940
Definitely looking at minus.

2424
05:29:06,160 --> 05:29:08,420
I just don't think exiting on minus is a great idea.

2425
05:29:08,600 --> 05:29:10,320
So I think that's one to look at.

2426
05:29:11,340 --> 05:29:19,840
But I hope that people understand, we're earning our $623 a month right now, here we're your neighbors.

2427
05:29:20,360 --> 05:29:23,780
We want to have a good project too, this isn't what we were hoping to have there.

2428
05:29:24,120 --> 05:29:27,640
We've got to try and navigate this so that the city isn't at risk.

2429
05:29:28,900 --> 05:29:36,020
The fines, I say it's not the fines, and they're stupid fines, but it's the zoning and the loss of the local control.

2430
05:29:36,020 --> 05:29:44,440
You guys have been great about sending letters, I'm going to ask you to send those same letters to your legislators, they're the ones that make these rules that we're getting stuck with.

2431
05:29:44,840 --> 05:29:50,020
Let the people that live here make the decisions, let us have some local control for our own city.

2432
05:29:50,660 --> 05:29:52,780
I think that's all the comments I have.

2433
05:29:52,780 --> 05:29:55,830
I think that's what we're holding.

2434
05:29:56,150 --> 05:29:57,030
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2435
05:29:58,490 --> 05:29:59,950
I've got a lot of things.

2436
05:30:00,740 --> 05:30:29,980
First of all, I want to thank everybody for coming out tonight and probably learning more about what the state, the state jacket, the state tries to put us in. So, you know, today, I got 28 notes from residents yesterday, 31 in total, more than 100. And, you know, the residents are pretty clear. They don't want this in its current form. I appreciate those people who stood up tonight with maybe like a comment.

2437
05:30:29,980 --> 05:30:59,540
compromise idea and we sit here tonight, we're not approving something for three years, five years, it's for 40 or 50 years, this is going to be here, so I think we want to take it slow and I sit here and maybe piggyback a little bit on what council member guy, although said, I think these folks who want to build this want to be a decent neighbor.

2438
05:30:59,540 --> 05:31:08,800
in our community, but what I would ask them to consider is could they scale this back a bit?

2439
05:31:09,760 --> 05:31:16,740
I'm going to save you some money by not making you redo Midas, but maybe you could scale this back a bit.

2440
05:31:17,580 --> 05:31:28,320
It is 33 units to an acre, which would work out to roughly 231 or so at 7.1 acres so they could get a little extra there.

2441
05:31:29,000 --> 05:31:35,540
and consider whether you could work with the community to do that.

2442
05:31:36,340 --> 05:31:47,640
I know you did community outreach, but you certainly didn't tap into this feedback that you're now getting, and we're getting in a big way.

2443
05:31:48,380 --> 05:31:57,940
If you scaled it back a bit, it would have the added benefit of improving the parking situation.

2444
05:31:57,940 --> 05:32:08,500
And I speak for myself here, if the parking is as much of a mess as I fear, and your residents start parking in the neighborhoods.

2445
05:32:08,980 --> 05:32:19,500
I'll be very willing and quick to put parking by permit only, and it's just gonna force your residents farther and farther away from the department complex.

2446
05:32:19,900 --> 05:32:26,740
And I think that's fair to our residents, if people take up all the parking in front of their house, and they have no place to park.

2447
05:32:26,740 --> 05:32:31,820
for us to not make them go walk far away to the park.

2448
05:32:32,040 --> 05:32:37,640
So my view, and the last thing I just want to make sure people understand,

2449
05:32:38,300 --> 05:32:39,300
we're not building this.

2450
05:32:39,900 --> 05:32:43,320
We don't build any affordable housing in town.

2451
05:32:44,700 --> 05:32:49,340
And so people who own property have a right to do something with it, and

2452
05:32:49,340 --> 05:32:51,980
that's what is happening here tonight.

2453
05:32:52,360 --> 05:32:56,480
And so we can't move them to another piece of property because they don't own it.

2454
05:32:57,100 --> 05:32:59,660
if they, you know, if they wanted to do that.

2455
05:33:00,020 --> 05:33:04,620
But what I'd like to see is these folks, again,

2456
05:33:04,800 --> 05:33:08,520
we're talking about a 40, 50 year development for Rothman.

2457
05:33:08,820 --> 05:33:09,700
I'd like to see them.

2458
05:33:10,240 --> 05:33:11,840
They've heard all the feedback tonight.

2459
05:33:12,140 --> 05:33:13,980
They've heard all the feedback from the council

2460
05:33:14,400 --> 05:33:18,540
to just take a brief pause and see if they can improve

2461
05:33:18,540 --> 05:33:19,340
this project.

2462
05:33:19,700 --> 05:33:21,200
So it's better for the community.

2463
05:33:22,520 --> 05:33:24,320
You know, we've seen today,

2464
05:33:24,320 --> 05:33:32,460
Okay, we have under construction a 116 unit affordable housing complex and a 180 unit affordable complex.

2465
05:33:33,120 --> 05:33:41,620
I would think building a 130 or 240 unit apartment complex might be financially feasible.

2466
05:33:41,900 --> 05:33:45,580
That doesn't strike me as something that inherently wouldn't be feasible.

2467
05:33:45,980 --> 05:33:49,720
So, do you have to do this?

2468
05:33:49,720 --> 05:33:58,400
I'm going to say this, you don't have to make a single change, because the state has given you all kinds of power over Rockland.

2469
05:33:59,960 --> 05:34:10,640
So, do you make some change? I think you should, and I think you should work with us because you don't want to be the pariah in the neighborhood forever with all these people disrupted.

2470
05:34:10,640 --> 05:34:15,860
that when some modest changes could make a big difference.

2471
05:34:16,360 --> 05:34:23,880
And, you know, Councilmember Broadway and Guy Aldo, you know, I'm definitely on board of no out on Midas.

2472
05:34:24,280 --> 05:34:29,120
I'm indifferent whether we have a right in or don't have a right in, but I think that would.

2473
05:34:29,900 --> 05:34:37,560
My fear and Councilmember Guy Aldo did a great job of talking about what could happen with the right out on Midas, you know.

2474
05:34:37,560 --> 05:34:40,220
You turn, let's do this, let's do that.

2475
05:34:40,540 --> 05:34:44,140
There's just no reason to put people on a path down Midas.

2476
05:34:44,580 --> 05:34:51,020
Who might not need to be there, like for, if they're going to go to Springview they're going to go down Midas to get there.

2477
05:34:51,220 --> 05:34:59,720
But I just like to see us give the developer having received feedback from 100 residents in the council.

2478
05:34:59,720 --> 05:34:59,800
So,

2479
05:34:59,920 --> 05:34:59,960
you're

2480
05:35:00,020 --> 05:35:10,480
A little more opportunity to improve this and be a better project for our community. Thank you. Council Member John Donne. Thank you.

2481
05:35:13,080 --> 05:35:29,340
I want to start just by thanking everyone that not only sent letters, I did read them all. But even more so, it takes a lot more effort to drive down here, sit for five, six hours, listen to a lot of dry talk, and then get up and

2482
05:35:30,060 --> 05:35:34,220
And say, make your comments, but I really do appreciate that.

2483
05:35:35,060 --> 05:35:37,520
I think someone said, yeah, we're picking winners and losers.

2484
05:35:37,800 --> 05:35:40,900
Well, we don't want to pick winners and losers.

2485
05:35:41,080 --> 05:35:41,640
We want winners.

2486
05:35:42,560 --> 05:35:49,900
You know, we used to be able to work with developers and the community and design great projects

2487
05:35:49,900 --> 05:35:52,000
that are compatible that everyone could support.

2488
05:35:52,780 --> 05:35:57,940
But, you know, unfortunately, there's a super majority in the state of California that's

2489
05:35:57,940 --> 05:36:01,960
governing over this state, and they pretty much do whatever they want, whether we like it or not.

2490
05:36:02,600 --> 05:36:07,180
And this is a direct result of that one-party rule.

2491
05:36:09,000 --> 05:36:14,000
So we can no longer make decisions based on traffic, density, parking, size, scale,

2492
05:36:14,180 --> 05:36:15,740
compatibility, safety, or anything.

2493
05:36:16,060 --> 05:36:20,140
We really can't when it comes to an affordable type project.

2494
05:36:21,500 --> 05:36:25,100
I don't like it, and I know the rest of the folks up here don't like it.

2495
05:36:27,040 --> 05:36:41,920
You know, a denial you've heard could be several million dollars in fines, plus attorney's fees, and at the end of the day the project would still go through the state would take the decision away from us and they would allow to go through.

2496
05:36:42,120 --> 05:36:50,580
So we'd be going through that process, paying all that money which impacts the community and our services and the project would still be built.

2497
05:36:51,900 --> 05:36:57,420
You know, saying no to what we know about and have in front of us, if we say no to that,

2498
05:36:57,820 --> 05:37:04,700
you know, even outside of the fines and impact from the state, we're saying yes to something

2499
05:37:04,700 --> 05:37:06,400
down the road that we don't know about.

2500
05:37:06,860 --> 05:37:11,640
And you've heard they could design it without parking, they could design it with five stories.

2501
05:37:12,420 --> 05:37:17,800
There's other projects in the state where the community was against one project and another

2502
05:37:17,800 --> 05:37:26,760
Another project coming through that was way worse and way more impactful, but again, it fit the rules and the law that we need to follow.

2503
05:37:27,600 --> 05:37:29,720
So, I need to be a little bit careful of that.

2504
05:37:31,380 --> 05:37:40,840
Most of you probably don't agree, but the applicant has worked with staff to make concessions, and to make this less impactful.

2505
05:37:41,920 --> 05:37:44,840
They've had 379 partner spaces, they could have zero.

2506
05:37:46,300 --> 05:37:51,120
They decrease the density but below what they're able to do based on state law.

2507
05:37:52,000 --> 05:37:54,400
They could, like I said, go to five stories.

2508
05:37:56,680 --> 05:38:02,560
They're making off-site improvements on the roadways and that's not required by law either.

2509
05:38:03,940 --> 05:38:09,020
Again, the property is zoned for this type of product, it's in our housing element.

2510
05:38:09,340 --> 05:38:10,580
It's required by the state.

2511
05:38:13,820 --> 05:38:17,520
Again, you've heard the rest of the folks say up here, you know, it's not the perfect

2512
05:38:17,520 --> 05:38:22,460
project, it's not what we like, but there's really not a whole lot we can do about it.

2513
05:38:22,820 --> 05:38:28,500
We need to make decisions based on law and not emotion, and I know that's difficult for

2514
05:38:28,500 --> 05:38:32,880
a lot of you to hear, but unfortunately, that's the situation we're in.

2515
05:38:33,900 --> 05:38:34,340
Thank you.

2516
05:38:37,620 --> 05:38:41,800
So I forgot to do my disclosure, I did not speak with the applicant.

2517
05:38:41,800 --> 05:38:48,380
I have spoken with members of the public that said, just I want to address just a couple

2518
05:38:48,380 --> 05:38:56,820
of the things I think have been raised that I understand why someone would ask for example,

2519
05:38:57,720 --> 05:39:02,520
pick another place, right, just not this spot, and I understand that we can't require that.

2520
05:39:04,000 --> 05:39:15,960
And to the extent that anyone finds this interesting, so we've obviously been here a couple of times, and multiple times people have said, go put housing on the old golf course.

2521
05:39:16,980 --> 05:39:24,160
We've obviously resoundly rejected that, right? But that is a frequent place where people have asked us to go put something.

2522
05:39:24,160 --> 05:39:30,560
This is the same council that also threw money to make sure that Clover Valley was saved.

2523
05:39:30,720 --> 05:39:33,620
Obviously, that's important to a lot of people in this room as well.

2524
05:39:34,440 --> 05:39:40,100
So, there are times when we maybe pick winners and losers, but this is not that situation.

2525
05:39:40,780 --> 05:39:48,720
Those times we did, and it was the exact same neighborhood that's being affected by this now.

2526
05:39:50,400 --> 05:39:52,780
I want to thank everybody that's here.

2527
05:39:53,580 --> 05:39:56,820
I agree it's harder to come down here than to send an email,

2528
05:39:56,820 --> 05:39:59,960
though I appreciate the emails, and I appreciate some people just can't get down.

2529
05:40:00,620 --> 05:40:23,280
But everybody being here is important. I also actually want to thank KCRA for being here because I think getting as much media on these issues is extremely important. And so I'll ask for another copy because I want to take this home. But KCRA, if you want to see the public comments, I'll give this one to you. I think it's important to see what the council sees.

2530
05:40:26,720 --> 05:40:30,600
I just want to say that I've heard a lot about health and safety.

2531
05:40:30,600 --> 05:40:35,380
And I think it's important that people understand that I care about that greatly.

2532
05:40:37,880 --> 05:40:44,560
There is a subsection within the Housing Accountability Act that specifically addresses health and safety.

2533
05:40:45,220 --> 05:40:51,180
And the legislature stated in sub A3 that health and

2534
05:40:51,180 --> 05:40:53,440
safety conditions arise infrequently.

2535
05:40:54,060 --> 05:40:59,700
And regularly occurring planning issues do not rise to the level of a specific adverse impact.

2536
05:41:00,600 --> 05:41:08,980
And I say that because I think that a lot of the issues that have been raised that are very important about public safety have been minimized by our legislature.

2537
05:41:10,180 --> 05:41:12,580
That does not mean that we get to minimize them.

2538
05:41:13,620 --> 05:41:17,620
But it is important for people to understand that even within the legislative history,

2539
05:41:17,840 --> 05:41:24,840
the legislature mentioned its intent to establish a very high threshold for a local agency to justify denying or

2540
05:41:24,840 --> 05:41:29,220
conditioning a housing project for health or safety reasons.

2541
05:41:30,100 --> 05:41:34,880
And the main reason is because that was used to deny so many of these projects,

2542
05:41:34,880 --> 05:41:36,560
and the legislature wanted to stop that.

2543
05:41:39,130 --> 05:41:47,010
So the type of burden that we have to be able to say just flat out no is extremely high.

2544
05:41:47,230 --> 05:41:49,790
And I think that there are some people that just want a no.

2545
05:41:50,050 --> 05:41:55,670
There's others that would ask us to create so many boundaries that it become infeasible.

2546
05:41:55,670 --> 05:41:59,910
And then there's the other way, which is to ask for just these little tweaks.

2547
05:42:00,290 --> 05:42:05,710
But then of course, we ran into feasibility and I think the legislatures thought that through.

2548
05:42:06,990 --> 05:42:13,950
Because of how often this happens, but I don't think that that doesn't mean that we don't ask.

2549
05:42:14,170 --> 05:42:18,970
I think that these are the right questions to be asking and to have an honest conversation.

2550
05:42:18,970 --> 05:42:28,990
I, too, am going to join in and say that as an applicant, you know, I grew up kind of don't hate the player, hate the game, right?

2551
05:42:29,510 --> 05:42:37,970
But in this situation, I got to say, at least you've come, you know, trying to help in terms of giving parking spaces.

2552
05:42:38,070 --> 05:42:40,310
And I just want you to know, I really appreciate that.

2553
05:42:40,310 --> 05:42:46,570
If we're asking for more, I think that it's just our good faith effort to keep things going.

2554
05:42:46,730 --> 05:42:49,530
I don't know how everyone else is going to vote and what we're going to offer.

2555
05:42:49,730 --> 05:42:55,910
But I think it's important for everyone to consider the fact that this could be a lot worse.

2556
05:42:56,790 --> 05:42:59,010
So I appreciate that.

2557
05:43:01,490 --> 05:43:06,030
I know that the idea of a builder's remedy and

2558
05:43:06,030 --> 05:43:11,310
And understanding what that could look like is kind of hard to imagine.

2559
05:43:11,870 --> 05:43:17,170
You put seven stories, if anyone thinks that's not something that somebody would try,

2560
05:43:17,470 --> 05:43:18,450
you're probably wrong.

2561
05:43:19,450 --> 05:43:23,630
There's a lot of people that would love to come into Rockland and put as big a building

2562
05:43:23,630 --> 05:43:27,610
as they can and make as much money as they can in the minute that we give them the opportunity

2563
05:43:27,610 --> 05:43:28,210
they will.

2564
05:43:32,520 --> 05:43:35,580
I did just want to mention I understand the pipeline issue.

2565
05:43:35,580 --> 05:43:41,840
I was stationed in the military right next to that explosion around that time.

2566
05:43:42,120 --> 05:43:47,980
I understand that it's a very important issue, and I understand that drilling can cause that.

2567
05:43:48,200 --> 05:43:54,580
Obviously, that San Bruno explosion happened because PG&E was highly negligent in their weld.

2568
05:43:55,320 --> 05:44:05,560
There's a lot of ways to be able to make sure that that pipeline does not end up in the same exact situation where that tragedy is.

2569
05:44:05,560 --> 05:44:11,220
occurred. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm just saying that there's a lot of technology out there to make sure that the area is safe.

2570
05:44:12,880 --> 05:44:19,020
All that said doesn't mean that I like the project and it doesn't mean that I'm going to vote one way or the other.

2571
05:44:19,160 --> 05:44:26,180
But I do think it's important that everybody here understand what the law is, but just because we're bound by the law doesn't mean we're gagged by it.

2572
05:44:27,060 --> 05:44:34,520
So everyone here can say exactly what they want to their legislature to us and we can reply back and maybe our vote doesn't make sense.

2573
05:44:34,520 --> 05:44:46,780
But it's very important everyone here knows that regardless of four story building on the corner of Midas is a crappy project period.

2574
05:44:47,300 --> 05:44:51,600
And I didn't like it from the beginning, and it has nothing to do with the applicant at all.

2575
05:44:52,660 --> 05:44:57,280
That's just my own personal feeling, and obviously everything else that comes from the legislature.

2576
05:44:57,280 --> 05:44:59,940
I've talked enough, I think at this point I'm going to...

2577
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:29,140
I'm going to be asking for some level of a motion, or if there is going to be a further suggestion, I will take it. I've got five leaders up here. I'm going to see where everyone wants to go with this. If I just might offer, I've heard some feedback about desire for condition of an EVA on Midas or the right and right out based on the feedback we had received from individual council members about what they might want to see earlier.

2578
05:45:29,140 --> 05:45:36,000
we have prepared a condition that is specific to an EVA. If you'd like to hear it, we can

2579
05:45:36,000 --> 05:45:40,840
read it to the record so that you can hear it and the applicant can potentially have

2580
05:45:40,840 --> 05:45:42,260
a chance to respond to that as well.

2581
05:45:43,480 --> 05:45:44,300
Let's have it.

2582
05:45:48,070 --> 05:45:58,370
I think if I could jump in. I'd like to make a motion to move

2583
05:46:00,700 --> 05:46:01,280
this item

2584
05:46:01,280 --> 05:46:08,500
to a future council meeting and to ask the applicant to come back with any improvements

2585
05:46:08,500 --> 05:46:12,380
that they might be able to make to this project.

2586
05:46:16,130 --> 05:46:21,810
You made a good point when you talked about this is a 50-year project and I appreciate

2587
05:46:21,810 --> 05:46:27,230
that you guys have written up something but I'm going to second that motion because I don't

2588
05:46:27,230 --> 05:46:33,030
want to rush this, I don't want you to be writing this at the 11th hour in a few minutes

2589
05:46:33,030 --> 05:46:39,190
And it's time I want to make sure we have a time to look at it, and hopefully the applicant could also then respond on a couple of other items we brought up.

2590
05:46:42,670 --> 05:46:43,170
Yes.

2591
05:46:44,390 --> 05:47:04,370
I may, Mr. Mayor, do we want to, if we're going to move this motion forward, provide at least some direction to the applicant so they have an idea of what you're looking for, rather than just a broad change to the project.

2592
05:47:04,370 --> 05:47:09,830
So what I'd say is we have a first and a second and then we're asking to modify what the first is.

2593
05:47:10,330 --> 05:47:12,190
Right, further define the motion.

2594
05:47:12,530 --> 05:47:15,670
Okay, I'd

2595
05:47:18,330 --> 05:47:23,430
be happy to define it.

2596
05:47:23,530 --> 05:47:36,850
I mean, maybe what we should do is just a motion to continue and then we could have a discussion because I don't know that the five of us would agree on what changes could be made.

2597
05:47:36,850 --> 05:47:42,430
But I also don't want to be too prescriptive, less that get us into trouble.

2598
05:47:44,030 --> 05:47:44,710
I don't know.

2599
05:47:46,850 --> 05:47:53,310
I think the two that jump out to me that I have to look at that is, and I'm not saying that we don't,

2600
05:47:53,550 --> 05:47:59,230
but look at the option about an EV and emergency vehicle only on minus, tell us what that option is.

2601
05:47:59,570 --> 05:48:03,810
And then I would ask the applicant, and I know it's a ton of work, but if you can give us something

2602
05:48:03,810 --> 05:48:11,210
I mean to say, I know you're here and how important the parking piece is, I'm going to ask you to look again and

2603
05:48:11,210 --> 05:48:13,630
sharpen that pencil and then look and see, is it possible?

2604
05:48:13,970 --> 05:48:21,450
What is, what would make it feasible and not feasible if you had to do a multi-story way to, and I think from the city,

2605
05:48:22,090 --> 05:48:27,130
we need to look and see looking around the area, where are they going to go if we have that parking piece.

2606
05:48:27,270 --> 05:48:31,510
I'd like us to really look at that and see what we think.

2607
05:48:31,510 --> 05:48:34,410
I'll go park there and figure out where I'm going to walk, let's go look.

2608
05:48:36,940 --> 05:49:00,940
And, you know, from my point of view, after hearing from residents, you know, to me, if you took a look at maybe trimming back the number of units, maybe the street facing buildings came down to three instead of four, you know, again, it has the benefit of addressing the parking issue at the same time.

2609
05:49:03,000 --> 05:49:10,760
And I'm just asking you to take a look at it and I don't know that I'm not looking for an answer right now.

2610
05:49:11,320 --> 05:49:11,320
So,

2611
05:49:13,590 --> 05:49:14,370
yes, please,

2612
05:49:20,820 --> 05:49:25,240
no, no, we've closed public comment.

2613
05:49:25,480 --> 05:49:32,220
This is just specifically for the purpose of understanding what kind of direction that we can give based on the motion that's been brought forward.

2614
05:49:32,220 --> 05:49:42,600
If there's more substantive information, whether we can take that into consideration, it sounds to me like right now, we're not going to be making a decision tonight.

2615
05:49:43,420 --> 05:49:46,400
I don't know how that's going to end up handing out. Am I correct here?

2616
05:49:48,760 --> 05:49:56,700
You're correct about the public comment period. We do have a motion in a second on the table, so we'll just see where it ends up and if it moves forward.

2617
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:29,980
Mayor and council. First off, I want to say thank you for the comments tonight. You know, I do not want to pretend that we've not heard the comments, we've not heard the community. I wanted to give a little context, and then I want to let Orrin from our team kind of address some of the specific design comments. But one of the things I wanted to make clear is we don't enter into communities lately. We've done over

2618
05:50:29,980 --> 05:50:34,360
over 32 public-private partnerships throughout the state of California.

2619
05:50:34,680 --> 05:50:42,180
And I say that to say that it's not good business to enter into a community and not be open

2620
05:50:42,180 --> 05:50:49,880
to recommendations, to listening to the community, council member, Haledin, your comments.

2621
05:50:50,460 --> 05:50:52,380
I appreciate everything that you said.

2622
05:50:52,380 --> 05:50:59,780
So one of the things I wanted to do is say, look, we are committed to working with you.

2623
05:51:00,080 --> 05:51:05,980
There are certain things because I've been doing this for a long time, for over 20 years.

2624
05:51:06,400 --> 05:51:11,120
And so when you have a continuance, if you don't book end and just can only say what's

2625
05:51:11,120 --> 05:51:17,540
feasible, what's not, then you enter into can only, I think, a zone that just isn't good

2626
05:51:17,540 --> 05:51:18,220
for either side.

2627
05:51:18,220 --> 05:51:25,620
And so what I want to do is say that are there things that we can work with you on to improve the the project and

2628
05:51:25,620 --> 05:51:33,180
Orren can speak to that. Yes, we absolutely can are there just certain items and this isn't me flexing we like I said

2629
05:51:33,760 --> 05:51:36,940
We don't enter into communities flexing. That's not how we do business

2630
05:51:36,940 --> 05:51:39,360
We have never sold in a portal biasing project

2631
05:51:39,360 --> 05:51:45,440
You know what we like to say is that when you get us hopefully you get us for life because we want to be good stewards of

2632
05:51:45,440 --> 05:51:47,420
the community, the project, and the community.

2633
05:51:48,100 --> 05:51:51,920
And we have a reference list a mile long that speaks to that.

2634
05:51:52,400 --> 05:51:56,140
That said, I've heard a couple comments.

2635
05:51:57,220 --> 05:51:59,760
So there was a comment about structured parking.

2636
05:52:01,300 --> 05:52:05,760
I will to say that when you start talking about structured parking,

2637
05:52:06,240 --> 05:52:13,400
now all of a sudden you enter into an element where your costs go up at least 10% to 12%.

2638
05:52:13,400 --> 05:52:19,560
There was a comment of, well, if you're making more profit, can't you just underwrite that

2639
05:52:19,560 --> 05:52:20,140
into the deal?

2640
05:52:20,380 --> 05:52:24,060
Well, the reality is we're lowering rents.

2641
05:52:24,340 --> 05:52:29,300
And so when you start to look at the economic feasibility of a project like this, where you're

2642
05:52:29,300 --> 05:52:34,000
lowering rents and your construction costs are going up, you're out at equilibrium.

2643
05:52:34,980 --> 05:52:36,960
You can't make that math work.

2644
05:52:37,480 --> 05:52:39,420
It's just, it's not feasible.

2645
05:52:40,460 --> 05:52:49,160
There was a comment about density is that when we, this piece of land was on the market.

2646
05:52:49,460 --> 05:52:52,580
So you have a seller that is trying to sell this.

2647
05:52:53,420 --> 05:52:57,220
We just happen to have a long-term, long-standing relationship with the seller.

2648
05:52:57,820 --> 05:53:00,940
There were other multi-family housing groups at the table.

2649
05:53:01,600 --> 05:53:08,000
I'm not going to speak for them but knowing who was at the table, they're not here listening to the community.

2650
05:53:08,000 --> 05:53:13,020
They're saying we're going to build higher density and again, this isn't me flexing.

2651
05:53:13,640 --> 05:53:16,120
So what I'm telling you is we have certain constraints.

2652
05:53:16,820 --> 05:53:25,540
We have a seller that is selling the land and so we've underwritten this project in a way that is feasible.

2653
05:53:26,320 --> 05:53:31,400
In terms of looking at ingress, egress, parking, I think that's all on the table.

2654
05:53:32,340 --> 05:53:36,540
But what I want to do is book and tell you what we can and can't do.

2655
05:53:36,540 --> 05:53:39,740
So structured parking, it's just not going to work.

2656
05:53:40,320 --> 05:53:48,580
When it comes to lower density, again, what's making this project work is that the size

2657
05:53:48,580 --> 05:53:56,700
of it, it's allowing us to spread the cost of it amongst larger, excuse me, more units,

2658
05:53:56,860 --> 05:53:58,400
and that's what's making this feasible.

2659
05:53:58,400 --> 05:54:07,520
Now, we've looked at all the different ways that we can less lessen the community impact,

2660
05:54:07,840 --> 05:54:13,860
so traffic density, all that, so I'm hearing this, and I'm a pragmatist, I'm always

2661
05:54:13,860 --> 05:54:18,020
looked for ways that we can meet in the middle, so I'm hearing your comments saying, what

2662
05:54:18,020 --> 05:54:18,660
can we do?

2663
05:54:19,480 --> 05:54:24,580
But I also want to be realistic and tell you what we can do is I don't think that we can

2664
05:54:24,580 --> 05:54:27,760
We go to less density, it's just that the math doesn't work.

2665
05:54:28,420 --> 05:54:30,020
Can we build structured parking?

2666
05:54:30,340 --> 05:54:31,840
The math doesn't work.

2667
05:54:32,240 --> 05:54:34,320
That said, when it comes to ingress egress,

2668
05:54:34,820 --> 05:54:37,120
Orrin, I know you've got some ideas, so you can speak to that.

2669
05:54:37,460 --> 05:54:41,680
Well, so there's two things going on right now, because we're hitting the witching hour order.

2670
05:54:42,560 --> 05:54:44,380
If I know how to read a clock, right?

2671
05:54:46,580 --> 05:54:51,240
So, I need a motion to be able to go beyond 11 o'clock, do I have a first?

2672
05:54:51,240 --> 05:54:51,380
First.

2673
05:54:58,310 --> 05:54:59,170
If you

2674
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:07,660
I would recommend withdrawing the current motion on the table so that you can. I'll withdraw my motion. Can we go to 1115?

2675
05:55:08,920 --> 05:55:15,420
We'll make a motion that we extend our time to 1115. Okay. All second motion. All in favor, aye.

2676
05:55:15,420 --> 05:55:19,320
I know, extensions, I have it pass unanimously.

2677
05:55:19,740 --> 05:55:20,920
We'll go to 11-15.

2678
05:55:22,280 --> 05:55:29,360
I appreciate what's being said, but I want to return first to Council.

2679
05:55:32,420 --> 05:55:40,200
My fear right now is we're going to start re-entering a public comment issue or just comment in general.

2680
05:55:40,200 --> 05:55:50,360
And I'm not taking into consideration anything that's just been said other than to understand that there's a likely no on

2681
05:55:51,060 --> 05:55:54,440
can units be trimmed down and parking with a two-story structure.

2682
05:55:55,260 --> 05:55:57,380
And then we're asking about EV access.

2683
05:55:57,680 --> 05:56:05,620
Is it my understanding that if there was a motion to be brought, it would be can the units be trimmed down, parking whether there's a two-story?

2684
05:56:05,620 --> 05:56:09,460
regardless of whether we know the answer is most likely no.

2685
05:56:10,100 --> 05:56:15,160
And then for the EV access, are those the three main things?

2686
05:56:15,560 --> 05:56:23,200
Yeah, so I think for a motion, and I'll make a motion again, just that we continue this item to a future meeting.

2687
05:56:24,420 --> 05:56:33,060
I think we want these folks to hear the things that we're talking about, but I don't know that we want to make that part of a motion.

2688
05:56:44,140 --> 05:56:50,360
So it is feasible to do a motion to continue and then for the council to deliberate on the

2689
05:56:50,360 --> 05:56:53,100
items that you're interested in hearing back.

2690
05:56:53,320 --> 05:56:58,320
If you wanted to do it that way in order to make it a manageable motion is what I am

2691
05:56:58,320 --> 05:57:00,500
very in council member Halden suggesting.

2692
05:57:01,360 --> 05:57:02,100
Make a motion?

2693
05:57:02,460 --> 05:57:04,360
Someone can second and so

2694
05:57:07,880 --> 05:57:13,300
my motion is to continue this item.

2695
05:57:13,300 --> 05:57:14,600
to a future meeting.

2696
05:57:24,390 --> 05:57:25,150
We need a second.

2697
05:57:25,950 --> 05:57:28,530
I have a second. Yeah. I will second that motion.

2698
05:57:29,250 --> 05:57:32,830
Okay. On favor aye. Aye.

2699
05:57:34,370 --> 05:57:41,270
No. No. There's three ayes, two noes. The motion passes. This will be continued as I

2700
05:57:41,270 --> 05:57:45,150
to a date certain. There's no date uncertain since we didn't give a date.

2701
05:57:47,620 --> 05:57:54,040
Yeah. It's, you know, at the option. It's been continued if the council wishes to

2702
05:57:54,040 --> 05:58:00,940
sit a date, certain you may with second motion, I don't know if that's feasible, and I don't know your concerns are.

2703
05:58:16,180 --> 05:58:29,840
The next possible meetings dates are, well, at this point we didn't have any items on September 8th, and I don't know if that would give anyone enough time to do the research.

2704
05:58:29,840 --> 05:58:38,340
The next meeting would be September 22nd, October 13th, or October, whatever, 4th, 27th.

2705
05:58:39,940 --> 05:58:42,500
I'd recommend October 13th.

2706
05:58:45,560 --> 05:58:47,380
I want to do that with Diemotion.

2707
05:58:48,620 --> 05:58:53,180
I move that we continue date certain October 13th.

2708
05:58:53,340 --> 05:58:53,460
All right.

2709
05:58:53,540 --> 05:58:53,980
I'll have a second.

2710
05:58:55,900 --> 05:58:56,980
I'll second the motion.

2711
05:58:57,480 --> 05:58:57,600
All right.

2712
05:58:57,800 --> 05:58:58,460
All in favor, aye?

2713
05:58:59,020 --> 05:58:59,420
Aye.

2714
05:59:00,020 --> 05:59:00,460
Noes?

2715
05:59:00,800 --> 05:59:00,920
No.

2716
05:59:01,460 --> 05:59:01,940
Okay.

2717
05:59:03,060 --> 05:59:08,320
We have four eyes, one no, motion passes,

2718
05:59:11,540 --> 05:59:14,680
having no other further items, is there anything

2719
05:59:14,680 --> 05:59:18,560
else for a future agenda item that the council would like?

2720
05:59:20,400 --> 05:59:24,580
I don't know if it needs to be agenda, but I would like to see if we can send a letter

2721
05:59:24,580 --> 05:59:30,280
to the school district and ask about considering reinstating some transportation in that area.

2722
05:59:30,640 --> 05:59:30,780
Okay.

2723
05:59:31,300 --> 05:59:34,900
And then I want to thank everybody for being here.

2724
05:59:35,260 --> 05:59:40,880
We will adjourn a moment of silence for our long time Council Member Peter Hill.

2725
05:59:48,500 --> 05:59:48,900
Thank you.

2726
05:59:49,760 --> 05:59:50,940
The meeting is adjourned.

2727
05:59:57,290 --> 05:59:58,050
Okay, sir, I left.