1 00:00:00,359 --> 00:00:03,080 so all in favor of approve well first I 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,759 think we need to make an a 3 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:09,719 uh change to the minutes okay so I'd 4 00:00:09,719 --> 00:00:13,559 like to amend the minutes because um 5 00:00:13,559 --> 00:00:17,960 listed uh in attendance is director uh L 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,960 Blan and actually we had director 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,880 assistant director um Aaron shuo so I'd 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,039 like to amend the minutes to reflect 9 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:30,199 that attendance 10 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:33,360 I'll second that okay okay all in favor 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,719 um I I 12 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:38,440 now all in favor of the 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,480 motion I I okay motion 14 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,840 passes uh we have a uh public discussion 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,520 period now if anyone has anything they 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,559 would like to discuss with us other than 17 00:00:50,559 --> 00:00:52,800 what the topic will be for the rest of 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,079 the uh meeting Toby yes 19 00:00:57,079 --> 00:00:59,320 Toby can you go to the microphone pleas 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:19,830 could you go yeah thank 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:25,910 you I got 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,560 it I'm cursed in case you don't know we 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,880 always do that okay any gadgetry it will 24 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,520 explode um Toby areni in 95 Granite 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,600 Street uh you remember and probably 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,920 didn't care for my remarks at the town 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,600 meeting about the accounting for the uh 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,840 sewer Enterprise fund uh and I indeed 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,640 copied you on my Discovery uh the letter 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,799 I wrote to the finance committee copied 31 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:54,159 to the majesties and you the 32 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:57,520 Commissioners about uh the 2000 annual 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,000 report and the uh town meeting articles 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,840 I found there uh one of which authorized 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,439 the payment uh appropriated the money 36 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,560 for the uh Long Beach sewer and the 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,000 second article uh you know ordered the 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,400 uh the uh creation of a Long Beach Sewer 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,280 District and uh there was no response at 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,560 the town meeting and um I think you need 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,959 to put it on the agenda uh I've looked 42 00:02:22,959 --> 00:02:26,959 in the bylaws and there in uh chapter 2 43 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:29,200 uh powers and duties of the selectman 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 under addition duties um I can't give 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,360 you the citation out of my head but it's 46 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,519 number 19 with the small Roman numerals 47 00:02:37,519 --> 00:02:41,239 um in a long list um uh is you know the 48 00:02:41,239 --> 00:02:43,680 requirement that they uh bring into 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,239 effect votes of of a town meeting not 50 00:02:46,239 --> 00:02:49,159 phrased that way so it's it's uh on 51 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:51,159 their shoulders but it's very definitely 52 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:53,720 your Bailey week also uh because you're 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,760 responsible for the sewer Enterprise 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,040 fund and the fact that you know that 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,159 town meeting vote has been ignored for 56 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:03,280 24 and A2 years uh doesn't make it any 57 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,799 better and doesn't make it go away and I 58 00:03:05,799 --> 00:03:07,879 would ask that uh you get on to the 59 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:10,080 board of Selectmen and perhaps Town 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,680 Council as well and put it on an agenda 61 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,920 for a later 62 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:17,239 meeting uh could I have a response sure 63 00:03:17,239 --> 00:03:21,040 duly noted and we will talk to the board 64 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,599 to the selectman yes I would suggest 65 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:28,000 Town Council as well thank 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,990 you anyone else 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,840 okay so what I'd like to do is the 68 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,599 meeting today is really uh all about 69 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,480 water and sore and we've got our 70 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,319 consulting firm that's working with us 71 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,519 to handle the situation here and I'd 72 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:47,599 like to introduce Bob Parsons who's 73 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:51,640 sitting over there and uh Bob is a 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,120 senior project manager with uh 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,879 approximately 30 years of experience in 76 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:01,910 civil infrastructure projects 77 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,360 and he works for the firm is tetr Tech 78 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,840 which is a worldwide multi-discipline 79 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,879 civil engineering firm with over 27,000 80 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:17,000 employees worldwide and if you read 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 their uh go out and look at their 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,560 website it's pretty impressive what they 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,520 do in the area of water so with that I'm 84 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,880 going to turn it over to Bob and let him 85 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,880 lead us in this and um we're not a big 86 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,479 crowd so I think we can ask questions as 87 00:04:33,479 --> 00:04:37,000 we go along so let's let's try and get 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,520 this all on the table i' I'd also like 89 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,759 to say this isn't complete yet this is 90 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:46,440 an interim report and I should let me 91 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,479 say a couple few other words so not this 92 00:04:49,479 --> 00:04:51,360 past town meeting but the prior town 93 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,120 meeting annual town meeting we we got 94 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,080 money for two different studies one 95 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,710 being looking at our water in 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,360 capacities and then also we had another 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,680 study that's ongoing about water rates 98 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,280 or sore rates and we will be dealing 99 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:16,039 with that one at a later date but for 100 00:05:16,039 --> 00:05:19,280 now we're we're dealing with the water 101 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,510 and uh sore capacity 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,720 issues well thank you very much I 103 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,800 appreciate you guys having me here 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,800 tonight um just for the purposes of this 105 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,080 is a presentation but it's only three 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,880 slides and and it's intended to be that 107 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,120 way it's concise 108 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,919 um what we did with the support of DPW 109 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:42,160 is collect a lot of data data relative 110 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,080 to your water and sewer systems um 111 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,360 review the data made some conclusions um 112 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,560 about status of um both water and sewer 113 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,960 systems um we tried to summarize the 114 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,319 results the best we could in three 115 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:57,680 slides there's two water slides one 116 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,560 sewer slide um but but know that a fair 117 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,199 amount of information and data and 118 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,120 review was performed as part of this and 119 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,840 there's draft memos and reports that 120 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,120 we've prepared that um we would love to 121 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,080 get some comments back on and finalize 122 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,800 um so with that let me Jump Right In 123 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,440 Here 124 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,479 um this this slide represents so the way 125 00:06:19,479 --> 00:06:21,240 that the water system at least the way 126 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,000 we we approached it you've got your raw 127 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,479 water supply sources that feed your 128 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:29,599 water treatment plant treats the water 129 00:06:29,599 --> 00:06:31,199 distributes it to your distribution 130 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:32,840 system your piping your homes your 131 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,599 businesses your uh commercial 132 00:06:35,599 --> 00:06:38,639 establishments this slide's focused 133 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,199 completely on the raw water the the 134 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:47,919 water you pull from your reservoirs and it's a sample size of since 2013 to 135 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:50,319 2023 um what you've pulled from your 136 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:52,639 reservoirs and what is measured 137 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:54,560 physically at the water treatment plant 138 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,759 and remote locations like Carlson's 139 00:06:56,759 --> 00:07:00,360 Quarry um and what is reported in ually 140 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,960 to D Mass D um and Aaron spearheads that 141 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,639 for the town you prepare annual 142 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:10,160 statistical reports which asks you to 143 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,039 report on your raw water um Supply or 144 00:07:15,039 --> 00:07:17,720 quantity and then what's distributed out 145 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,680 into the the distribution system so this 146 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,639 is data that's been provided to us you 147 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,520 have um fair amount of meters that are 148 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,639 capturing this data um and the reason 149 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:29,080 why we wanted to take a look at this is 150 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,400 just to see see what you've pulled from 151 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,840 your raw water just to kind of measure 152 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,639 it against different metrics the two 153 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:38,720 that you see here is that Top Line is 154 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,840 the Water Management act perm withdrawal 155 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,000 limit um and the line below that is a 156 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,720 90% marker which is not a formal marker 157 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,039 it's just something that I typically 158 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:50,199 look at when we're looking at these 159 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:53,599 types of things um and just to see how 160 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:55,560 you know it it undulates a little bit 161 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,840 but it's generally been increasing over 162 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,759 time 163 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:02,599 um so again just is one part of it 164 00:08:02,599 --> 00:08:03,879 there's a lot of data to support this 165 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:05,159 and again all the data that you'll see 166 00:08:05,159 --> 00:08:06,720 reflected on these slides is data we've 167 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,560 pulled from the town town does a lot of 168 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,720 measuring of water Wastewater um and and 169 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,520 we we were able to take take this data 170 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,960 and turn it into some summaries so again 171 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,360 this is important because you want to 172 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,680 see where you are relative to your 173 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,599 withdrawal limit um this is you're not 174 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:25,280 the only community that is in this range 175 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,039 it's fairly common so um again just kind 176 00:08:28,039 --> 00:08:30,440 of track it and see where you are 177 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,959 um the next next piece of the puzzle is 178 00:08:32,959 --> 00:08:35,479 sort of what happens once it goes to 179 00:08:35,479 --> 00:08:39,080 your plant so these bars and this 180 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,719 presentation is bars and graphs and all 181 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:42,240 types so I hope you you like bars and 182 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,320 graphs um but um from 2017 to 183 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,000 2023 we were able to pull this data and 184 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,080 again this is all included in reports 185 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,920 that are distributed to mass d as part 186 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,880 of a regulatory 187 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,040 requirement um the I'll go through the 188 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,519 colors so the blue is what's metered so 189 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:04,800 all your homes and businesses and all 190 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,800 these establishments have meters that 191 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,800 read the amount of water that's being 192 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,839 pulled and that is obviously build 193 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:14,040 through your your water build this is 194 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,399 what's captured this is how we capture 195 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:16,240 this 196 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,519 data um the the orange piece and and all 197 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:23,360 of these sections are telling us what 198 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,519 happens through the plant and when it 199 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:26,720 leaves the plant so we can kind of 200 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,519 monitor it see what what what's 201 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:30,440 happening it's a require from the state 202 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,959 but we like to watch this and and I'll 203 00:09:31,959 --> 00:09:34,040 get into some details um the Orange is 204 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,600 what your estimated usage is from 205 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,480 Municipal usage and that's something 206 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,600 again that Aaron um monitors with folks 207 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,200 from DPW in the water department um and 208 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,480 it it can be anything from um flushing 209 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,839 programs um when the town there a 210 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:52,000 requirement to flush your water Ms keep 211 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,240 things moving keep them fresh um that 212 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,800 water's lost somehow some way so it's 213 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,040 captured here they they monitor it and 214 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,160 we quantify it um the I'm going to jump 215 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,160 to the top because uh um it it's kind of 216 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,440 leading up to the green Green's probably 217 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,360 the more important of these but the the 218 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 gray top there is what you lose through 219 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,360 your process so you'll let's say you 220 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,440 drew in 10 gallons from your water raw 221 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,000 water supply through your water 222 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 treatment process you inherently lose 223 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,680 water meaning it's lost through a a 224 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,480 backwash cycle it doesn't get lost Into 225 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 The Ether it it actually goes back into 226 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,240 your um through your lagoons back into 227 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,839 your water supply but that's water 228 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:33,279 that's LW so if 10 gallons enter and 229 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,600 eight leave you're losing two gallons um 230 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,079 in this particular case um you're losing 231 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:41,440 thousands and thousands of gallons that 232 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,560 way because that's just part of the 233 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:43,800 process it's not 234 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,639 uncommon um and and the balance that you 235 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:49,680 see in green is what we consider 236 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,680 unaccounted for water which is water 237 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,760 that you have no way of quantifying and 238 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,440 it falls into that sort of category of 239 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,440 where does it go this this places it 240 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,240 goes and we have obviously we've talked 241 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,399 a lot about this um Mass's requirement 242 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:10,320 to meet compliance is 10% um if you look 243 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:11,839 at the published data there's there's 244 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:13,200 probably not a lot of communities that 245 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,000 do meet the 10% but it's a it's a an 246 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,200 objective that everybody's trying to 247 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,720 meet um obviously the less you're 248 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,600 unaccounted for the more you have for 249 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,040 Supply the less use you're having right 250 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,639 so um we also wanted to see and follow 251 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:32,920 how you guys have the town has monitored 252 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,760 water usage um that green area can be 253 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,279 attributed to a lot of different things 254 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:43,040 um one is um your meters that you guys 255 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,639 utilize in town are generally old older 256 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,440 than um recommend you know recommended 257 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,760 uh life cycle so you could be measuring 258 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,000 you know a little bit different than 259 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,240 what the actual usage is um part of it 260 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,839 could be through leaks and pipes 261 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:01,880 um which I know the town has an active 262 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,600 or I think they're trying to put forward 263 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,079 a leak detection program and again these 264 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:07,680 numbers are you know i' seen these 265 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:12,760 numbers quite a bit in this range um and the objective really is to try to 266 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,720 reduce that green because that's water 267 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,199 that that you're not there's there's no 268 00:12:17,199 --> 00:12:19,160 revenue for for one that you're pulling 269 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,320 from your raw water supply and that you 270 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,240 know over time um I like to kind of say 271 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,639 you get that number like death by a 272 00:12:25,639 --> 00:12:27,760 Thousand Cuts it's not it's very rare 273 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,480 it's one large break or anything like 274 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,399 that it's stuff that every city in town 275 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:34,000 is trying to 276 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,560 manage so um you know I I guess given 277 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,120 the the numbers that we're seeing I 278 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,079 think there's opportunities to improve 279 00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:47,680 and again every Community can improve um 280 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,800 in the document we prepared we have 281 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,399 recommendations and some of it is just 282 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:52,720 to make sure you have a robust Leak 283 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,079 Detection program um check your meters 284 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:57,639 which we have done as part of our 285 00:12:57,639 --> 00:12:59,760 program we've tested meters 286 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,440 um and we try to focus on the larger 287 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,800 water users um the town small there's 288 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,480 not a lot of Industry so it's it's you 289 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,920 know I think you're biggest water user 290 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,360 is the water treatment plan a wastewater 291 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,680 treatment plan as a matter of fact so um 292 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,199 we did focus on that and um American 293 00:13:14,199 --> 00:13:15,880 Waterworks has a very stringent standard 294 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,760 for meter testing they allow you a 3% 295 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,360 variance so if you're not 100% you have 296 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,240 to be 98.5 low or 1015 high so there's a 297 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,720 very narrow range that's a very 298 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,680 difficult metric to hit but 299 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,920 um that is the metric so um I can say 300 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,600 that the meters we did test were a bit 301 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,160 off but um I think it's sort of when we 302 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,040 look at this data and 303 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,680 um I I have the benefit of having some 304 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:43,800 senior staff that work with me I have uh 305 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,760 colleagues that worked at Mast who are 306 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,279 specialists in water supply who did 307 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:51,000 review this with me and Aaron and uh and 308 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,320 you know what it appears is that it's 309 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,519 likely a meter issue just early 310 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:57,320 recommendations perhaps meters need to 311 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,040 be um replaced or you checked or you 312 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,040 know over time I think that would be a 313 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,040 benefit and you know there there's other 314 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,360 recommendations that came out of there 315 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:12,910 so um 316 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:22,350 sure excuse me the M thank you your 317 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,199 name John sou 33 Strait Smith um the 318 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:29,199 absolute number is 28% is that is that 319 00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:32,440 right I I can I can't yeah 28% by 2023 320 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,279 okay that's a big number but the more 321 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:35,519 important question is how did it get 322 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:39,079 from 12 to 28 in it's 12 months I mean 323 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:40,839 that's hard to believe it's meters yeah 324 00:14:40,839 --> 00:14:43,680 no I agree I think um every Year's 325 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,920 different and I think sometimes um 326 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,560 meters could read differently it's it's 327 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,959 tough to understand why things move in 328 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,680 that bit of a range we noticed that as 329 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,120 well um but I don't know did you oh I 330 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,600 thought you said something 331 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,040 about it's the way the reporting is set 332 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,320 up so 333 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:13,240 um prime example 2022 we had the forest 334 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,680 fires and the tracking of the luckily 335 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,079 they track the forest fire water 336 00:15:19,079 --> 00:15:21,600 usage I can't make the fire department 337 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,320 track water 338 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,440 usage so in my opinion based on my years 339 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,360 of doing this we were able to 340 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,839 extrapolate the amount of water that was 341 00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:34,040 used during the forest fires which 342 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,880 therefore had us account for more water 343 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,040 therefore reducing our unaccounted for 344 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,000 water it's all a shell I'm I know what I 345 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,440 shouldn't say it this way it's kind of a 346 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,959 shell game with this reporting because 347 00:15:47,959 --> 00:15:51,040 it's on how good your records are and 348 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,079 how it gets reported does that make 349 00:15:53,079 --> 00:16:01,269 sense 350 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,000 yeah I don't think I need the microphone 351 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,040 but I'll use it anyway there a courtesy 352 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,030 to 353 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,399 the yeah zle a 92 gr Street uh we've 354 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,360 been dealing with these water meter 355 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,720 issues at least for 10 years or so that 356 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,600 I've been going to DPW meetings and 357 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,440 there's one thing I would like to know 358 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,920 because obviously you're addressing 359 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,560 these issues on macro level you're 360 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,279 seeing what the total level of water 361 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:35,240 going out of the plant is and what's 362 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,959 being measured um as opposed to uh what 363 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:42,360 the meters are telling you but I'd like 364 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,000 to know one thing like do they if you 365 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,199 have to buy a new meter does your meter 366 00:16:48,199 --> 00:16:51,160 go back to the town and be tested for 367 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,160 accuracy so that you can say that your 368 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,720 meter was good you're paying for a new 369 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,519 one even though you had an old one that 370 00:16:58,519 --> 00:17:01,319 was good good I mean is there any 371 00:17:01,319 --> 00:17:05,520 individualized uh uh recording of who's 372 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,720 got good meters and who's got lousy ones 373 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,160 and who's paying for something they 374 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,039 don't need as opposed to who should be 375 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:14,679 paying for something that they do 376 00:17:14,679 --> 00:17:16,760 need I I mean I 377 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,240 can usually when a city or town decides 378 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,439 to do a meter replacement program it's 379 00:17:22,439 --> 00:17:25,959 City or townwide um and that's because 380 00:17:25,959 --> 00:17:28,559 you want like parts and and materials 381 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:31,799 and reading systems um my town just went 382 00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:33,840 to an AMR system so everything's 383 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,039 automatic um I think in some cases 384 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,880 meters that are known to be broken are 385 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,799 replaced and there's different ways when 386 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,720 you look at so we sometimes this is a 387 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,280 desktop analysis where you look at all 388 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,440 the more of the billing information and 389 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,919 you can see well this home didn't use 390 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:51,880 water for three or four months or six 391 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,240 months it's like it's a bit of a red 392 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,520 flag so you can kind of pick some things 393 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,600 out that way um and so some meters are 394 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,520 replaced individually but generally when 395 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,960 you start to go to a system I don't know 396 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,799 how old your meters are 15 20 years Aon 397 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,799 old um most a lot of them now at this 398 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:12,039 point now are um from the 1990s okay so 399 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:14,559 30 years old and that's that's an that's 400 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:16,600 an older meter and so what happens over 401 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,400 time meters lose their efficiency and 402 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,640 Effectiveness to read flows you know 403 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,640 some do some don't but it over time when 404 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,480 you have thousands of meters within a 405 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,960 system your system's relatively small so 406 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,919 to Aaron's Point earlier if if you 407 00:18:30,919 --> 00:18:33,320 measured fire flows or you measured 408 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,760 something differently one year it could 409 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,120 have an impact on what you see on the 410 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,960 screen now so relatively small system um 411 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,559 but generally when when a city or town 412 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:43,240 decides they're going to upgrade their 413 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,960 meters it's typically City or townwide 414 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 so unless a of course there's a known 415 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,559 broken meter and there's extra spares 416 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:53,400 I'm sure you guys carry them they'll be 417 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,360 replaced so maybe time just flies faster 418 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:04,990 than I thought I don't know 419 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,120 yeah Tom Meer 73 Maran way uh as a 420 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:10,520 member of the planning board I took a 421 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,919 pretty deep dive into your report from 422 00:19:12,919 --> 00:19:15,039 2022 and the data you're presenting 423 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,320 today does not exactly agree on on 424 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,679 accounted for water specific well 425 00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:21,159 several of the ones are off maybe 426 00:19:21,159 --> 00:19:24,200 rounding error maybe other things but 427 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,360 2021 is a big difference it was 25% now 428 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,720 you're showing 13 what happened well so 429 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,039 Aon and I had talked about this we had 430 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:34,039 read it was a con I can get into some of 431 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:35,600 the details it was a consumption number 432 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,360 versus a qualitative number that was 433 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,400 used so it did sway that number um and I 434 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,440 can show you we what we do is we take 435 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,720 this we put in a spreadsheet and we look 436 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,200 at all the numbers so we're calculating 437 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,120 it as we go but that's what happened for 438 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,720 that one year the other ones that are 439 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,039 off percentage of two probably a 440 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,600 rounding thing but yeah the 2021 does 441 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,919 show a large difference there yeah so 442 00:19:55,919 --> 00:19:58,400 the sudden Sudden Change was not in 2022 443 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,640 the Sudden Change was earlier it was I 444 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,240 think it was identified as in the 20s 445 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,240 for 2021 and now went the 13 or 446 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,799 something like that yeah yes yeah that was a change that so what we wanted 447 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:11,559 to do is be consistent with what was 448 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:13,520 reported in the asrs here but that was 449 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,440 the one that had a a fairly sizable 450 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,000 swing yeah and Aaron and I have gone 451 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,880 over that as well 452 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,720 so thank you lent Med 98 Main Street two 453 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,919 questions sir if we had to replace all 454 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:28,120 of our meters what would the cost be 455 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,159 even in a General 456 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:32,600 sense so I think have you gone through a 457 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,280 meter replacement program in previous 458 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,880 communities I mean it's a hard thing to 459 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,559 say because I don't exactly how many Ser 460 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,120 Services yeah so I mean i' I've done it 461 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,000 in previous communities but but I mean 462 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,760 there were larger communities yeah 463 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,240 um my my get rough number off the top of 464 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,120 my head um you're looking to to for the 465 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,520 cost in the labor you're looking around 466 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,789 a million dollars probably 467 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:04,080 thank you as you know Rockport is a NBTA 468 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,799 Community town so it says the state 469 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,200 should we authorize resoning that brings 470 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,720 in hundreds of new construction units 471 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,559 would new meters have to be synced with 472 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:19,279 old ones would that process require 473 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:21,919 replacement of all meters if there was a 474 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:24,000 burst of new 475 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,480 construction I I mean I I don't want to 476 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,640 comment on the MTA piece but but it 477 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,039 would any development or any new larger 478 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:32,679 developments would be coordinated at the 479 00:21:32,679 --> 00:21:34,440 time where the town is physically with 480 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,159 any meter program yeah I I can answer 481 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:40,799 that too I'm not going to get into the MBA portion of it but any any any 482 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,679 home right now that's being built gets a 483 00:21:42,679 --> 00:21:45,679 new a style meter um our our existing 484 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:48,120 system is integrated so that some meters 485 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,039 are driveby and some meters are cellular 486 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:54,440 we use the same meter company um it's 487 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,720 Badger meter company uh the town's used 488 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,200 them for um Maya standing is uh for at 489 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,760 least the last 50 or more years uh 490 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,559 so The Meters from the 1990s or what we 491 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:12,840 call um driveby or uh 492 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840 AMR and then the newer meters are 493 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,520 cellular and those are 494 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,440 Ami um 495 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,120 so as new development happens or a 496 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,919 single family home is built or a meter 497 00:22:26,919 --> 00:22:29,480 breaks we replace it with the newer 498 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:42,430 technology okay thank you very 499 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080 much kobby 500 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720 wait all right I'm Ron labar 83r 501 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,159 Phillips Avenue uh look at the trend 502 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:51,880 lines there there's couple of things are 503 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,720 kind of striking uh one is the is the is 504 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,880 the metered consumption it's it's 505 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,480 remarkable how it kind of goes down and 506 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,080 goes up and goes down could that be 507 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,960 weather related drought related where we run in more water because 508 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,360 people were watering Lawns and things is 509 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:07,760 that does that does that make sense I 510 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,520 mean I didn't think back on which years 511 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,799 were drought but does that drive it 512 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:17,480 could it could it could be one of the 513 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,799 factor it could be one of the factors um 514 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,600 the other Factor I'm we're not 100% sure 515 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,760 but the other Factor was you can see the 516 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,760 trend line in 21 how it went up was that 517 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,360 Co related with people working from home 518 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,480 not sure I can't answer the the the it 519 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,279 directly but um 2023 was a very wet year 520 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,600 for the summer if you remember our 521 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,159 biggest consumption day on 2023 was 522 00:23:43,159 --> 00:23:45,360 actually Memorial Day usually it's 523 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,080 Fourth of July so that was to me an 524 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,880 indicator that we had a very wet we had 525 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,480 a very wet summer yeah because otherwise 526 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,960 it really doesn't make sense to see that 527 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,520 kind of a dive in in 2023 no it actually 528 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,000 con it actually concerns me well 529 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,799 the The Regulators The Regulators like 530 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,679 that from a conservation standpoint but 531 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:05,159 we're in the only industry that is a 532 00:24:05,159 --> 00:24:08,240 double-edged sword where we're told to 533 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,559 tell our consumers to use less but we 534 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,760 still have to run a business so to speak 535 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,640 so it's not an easy industry to deal 536 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,279 with yeah I get it but that is pretty 537 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,080 remarkable so that's not meters diving 538 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,120 like that it's it's not meters no they 539 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,880 don't they're much too slow they move 540 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,480 slower than that and there's so many of 541 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,600 them it can't be yeah and and I think 542 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,559 Terence pointed you you will see affects 543 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:31,360 some drought conditions and and other 544 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,880 factors yeah and Co happened to change 545 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,480 water consumption quite a bit and then 546 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,880 do we understand why the the white the 547 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,919 raw to fresh water doubled over the last 548 00:24:42,919 --> 00:24:44,960 three years is do we have a technology 549 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,240 change do we are we doing something 550 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,760 different in the in the Water Treatment 551 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,640 Plant than we were a couple years ago 552 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,080 and can can you explain that because 553 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,240 that just jumps out at me yeah so that 554 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,960 number purely is based on it's pure 555 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,120 meter data I I know that your process 556 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,000 hasn't changed at least in terms of your 557 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,880 grit tanks right that hasn't changed in 558 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,600 terms of what the the process I it's I 559 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,840 guess you don't necessarily backwash the 560 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,200 same amount every year either right so 561 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,880 there's there's there's variations with 562 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,880 it can be they can be seasonal 563 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:24,360 conditions that require more backwashing yeah and it could vary 564 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,320 based on not technically weather but 565 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,919 there could be conditions 566 00:25:28,919 --> 00:25:30,600 for whatever reason that are that 567 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:37,590 trigger the raw water 568 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,559 for yeah yeah no I I I don't have enough 569 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:45,799 B again I don't I agree with you yeah I 570 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:47,399 think one of the interesting pieces 571 00:25:47,399 --> 00:25:50,039 after listening uh to some of this 572 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,440 explanation was the different programs 573 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,360 that the town has in place right now and 574 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,120 all the little places you can think of 575 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:59,480 that these little that these little uh 576 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,080 knife Cuts if you will happen one of 577 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,480 them is the replacement of the lateral 578 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,159 connections I think you said there were 579 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:10,200 17 uh found water main issues so so we 580 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,120 had we had we had we had 16 service 581 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,799 leaks that we found in 2023 calendar 582 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,480 year 2023 and what was the year before 583 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,520 that um it was like four so the 584 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,039 difference there uh the connection of 585 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:25,919 all of a sudden now we have captured 586 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:29,000 usage versus non-captured usage uh all 587 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,559 these little things and so the movement 588 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,159 in the direction of the replacing of the 589 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:35,600 lateral lines that's to me huge that's 590 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,679 all of a sudden there's water that we've 591 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,640 captured um and I think the next 592 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,640 conversation is what else can we do and 593 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,279 I think as the Commissioners make 594 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,159 recommendations uh given uh talk to the 595 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:54,720 DPW about implementing a better or more robust meter replacement program uh 596 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,279 that's on us to do mhm yeah so iess I 597 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,360 guess just to follow up with Patrick um 598 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,360 those 16 Water Service leaks that we 599 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,720 found we're not allowed under the 600 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,200 regulations for the annual statistical 601 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,320 report because we can't quantify it even 602 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,000 though we know it happened we're not 603 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600 allowed to quantify and count for it so 604 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,640 there's another reason unaccounted for 605 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,760 water can be higher because of the way 606 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,950 the regulations are set 607 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,840 up I only I got to follow the rules 608 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,399 that's what it comes down to to be clear 609 00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:31,200 by the state by the state okay yeah so I 610 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,480 can I can I can tell them that we found 611 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,799 the leak right and we repaired it but I 612 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,240 can't account for that water because I 613 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,840 have no way to I don't know how long it 614 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,679 occurred for and I don't know how to 615 00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:44,480 quantify it I estimated a quantity but 616 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,679 I'm not allowed to count the quantity 617 00:27:46,679 --> 00:27:48,559 it's still great information to have 618 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,480 correct but yeah okay one other piece of 619 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,519 this too on water usage getting back to 620 00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:58,960 your question is that um since Co we've 621 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,039 also had a lot of uh airbnbs in Rockport 622 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,120 and we don't really have a mechanism to 623 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,080 track 624 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,120 those and think about an Airbnb you're 625 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,120 on vacation there could be six people 626 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,320 eight people in a house how many showers 627 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,399 a day are they taking so the water 628 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:18,919 consumption for those types of buildings 629 00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:21,840 or dwellings is increasing our water 630 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,720 usage as well so that's another piece of 631 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,360 the uh puzzle here that that really 632 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,279 doesn't have a good the 633 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,120 answer not not yet to be deed uh Laura 634 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,679 Evans 77 High Street I wonder if you 635 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,640 could give us some more specifics on the 636 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,600 leak detection program what's what's 637 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,279 being done and where what what the 638 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,000 status is with 639 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,880 that so um we we've done an internal 640 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,399 Leak Detection program um we have 641 00:28:51,399 --> 00:28:55,360 equipment that we use um we go out and 642 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,799 uh we isolate areas so 643 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,440 again I've I've I've been here for two 644 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,080 years but I'm still learning the system 645 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,200 obviously it takes a number of years to 646 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,000 really get uh integrated into the system 647 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,399 um I have depended 648 00:29:11,399 --> 00:29:21,679 on uh previous operators um they're their their I guess institutional 649 00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:23,519 knowledge to know when they feel that 650 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,840 there's an issue um so when we feel we 651 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,640 we're losing water at night um you know 652 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,399 we mon we obviously we we have three 653 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:37,679 water tanks we have South End pool's 654 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:43,000 Hill and pigeon um Landmark Lane 655 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,720 um if we see a noticeable loss in a tank 656 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,559 overnight that that they felt is UN un 657 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,080 not normal then we would try to go to 658 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,440 that area and perform leak detection um 659 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,880 they haven't had an official uh yearly 660 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080 program here the last time they they 661 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,840 hired 662 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,360 um a a company outside of the town was 663 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,880 2019 I do want to get back to try to 664 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 building into the budget to be able to 665 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,559 have that type of company come in and 666 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,440 look at it and that's something I'm I'm 667 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,200 moving towards but we do do an internal 668 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,200 program and like I said like I said we 669 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:32,200 found we found 16 leaks um last year in 23 um so it's not like they they 670 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600 can't find them but I still would like 671 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,120 to get another outside set of eyes on 672 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,880 the system I follow up on something just 673 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,760 to clarify if you meant mechanically how 674 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,399 do they do it is that some somewhat of 675 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:50,110 what you were 676 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,640 asking Toby in 95 Granite Street uh two 677 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,200 things um is the um use of water for 678 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,880 putting out fires or uh spraying down 679 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,679 the bonfire on the fourth uh is that 680 00:31:04,679 --> 00:31:08,590 included in municipal 681 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,240 use that would be fire use it would be 682 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,240 part of the estimated municipal use yeah 683 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,320 Municipal yes okay okay that's legit uh 684 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,600 anything anything that's consumed in the 685 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,200 community okay um that's legit uh the 686 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,919 billing of it as I've said before is not 687 00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:31,960 no one would uh conceivably begrudge an 688 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,559 ounce or a gallon of it to the fire 689 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,559 department you know for putting out 690 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,960 fires or for the fourth which is you 691 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960 know bread and roses and and a festival 692 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,559 but you know that should not be built to 693 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,559 the water Enterprise fund that should 694 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,440 all be build to the town of Rockport you 695 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,880 know it's for everyone's benefit not for 696 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,200 the benefit of you know particular 697 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,320 people as your water use or my water use 698 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,559 and maybe this is relevant and maybe 699 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,360 it's not although uh Dawn was speaking 700 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,440 about drought years and how those 701 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,399 affected the overall performance uh do 702 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,600 we have any sense of how much of the 703 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,480 water is used outside for uh watering 704 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,279 Lawns Gardens plants as opposed to 705 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,549 inside and does that 706 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,279 matter no um it we don't look at that way but um it would be very 707 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,760 difficult not everybody has an 708 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,200 irrigation meter so we wouldn't be able 709 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,320 to separate that use some people choose 710 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,279 to have an irrigation meter some people 711 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,080 don't so therefore to estimate the exact 712 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,399 amount of water that use outside would 713 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:41,760 be very difficult um Don can I just um 714 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,240 follow up on or or stay with the subject 715 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,559 for a moment of um Leak Detection um 716 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:51,399 because there's um at one point I know 717 00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:54,720 as a property owner we received a letter 718 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,159 indicating that you may have a leak on a 719 00:32:57,159 --> 00:32:58,279 piece of property that that had more 720 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,880 than one unit and so there's a piece um 721 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,919 you know there's a responsibility on 722 00:33:04,919 --> 00:33:07,840 homeowners if we receive information 723 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,000 from the town that indicates that we 724 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360 have leaks there's ways to try to 725 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,159 address that and of course then we 726 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:17,039 benefit as homeowners because if we find 727 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,240 where those leaks are and these leaking 728 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240 toilets and and faucets and such um it's 729 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,080 amazing how much water can be wasted in 730 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,760 one year um for those types of so if you 731 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,559 want to comment I don't know much about 732 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,440 that program I know I received a letter 733 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,960 a number of years ago and um maybe 734 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880 that's could be part of the whole effort 735 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,360 so I should clarify when I when we 736 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,279 there's two types of leaks there's a type of leak that happens that 737 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:44,080 your 738 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,960 meter is seeing it right and we're we're 739 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,679 notifying you the leaks that I have been 740 00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:51,519 speaking about are the leaks that don't 741 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,679 go through a meter that were that aren't 742 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:56,399 being tracked so I should clarify that 743 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:59,960 so okay and and but while while we're 744 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,200 talking about it um I know that people 745 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,159 get busy and you may receive those 746 00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:06,360 letters and you do have an incentive to 747 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,040 do something to address them but I'd be 748 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,599 curious and no answer required here but 749 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,240 you know how many of us fail to sort of 750 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,000 follow up on that and maybe that could 751 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520 be something that we could work on and 752 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,679 encourage people to do yeah as we as and 753 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,359 the other thing is as we update or or as 754 00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:27,159 we improve our meters or replace our 755 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,079 meters the newer metor technology has 756 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,760 what they call better Leak Detection um 757 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,720 because it's tracking it on a on a daily 758 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:39,200 basis versus US driving by once a month 759 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,919 and and getting a uh see not yet and 760 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:45,119 getting that that notification don don 761 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,200 SED 33 Strait Smith um I I guess there's 762 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,159 this looks like a sort of a 763 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,359 multi- u quantification of of of errors 764 00:34:54,359 --> 00:34:57,760 here I was wondering if it's possible um 765 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,520 to pick you know a sampling of say 10 10 766 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,000 meters that are various ages run a uh 767 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,240 you know 55 gallon drum of water through 768 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,599 them each and find out whether there's 769 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,800 any leakage or not is that something is 770 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,800 that feasible or is that a bad 771 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,839 idea you you know what I'm saying so you 772 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,200 sort of sample a few and then you throw 773 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,000 some water through it you know the 774 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,160 number and um you see if the meter works 775 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,150 or 776 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,160 not we we did some of that as well so 777 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,200 yeah there there are ways to do that um 778 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,119 to test the meters and we did we did 779 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,040 test probably a dozen we focused on the 780 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,599 larger water uses because there's your 781 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,000 chance for greater loss I guess um 782 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,079 typically use what they call an 783 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,000 ultrasonic meter where they strap it on 784 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,800 and it's a fairly accurate meter so um 785 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680 and we'll continue I think we we we've 786 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,119 talked about continuing to do that 787 00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:51,480 specifically at the water plant to try 788 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,400 to get some better numbers 789 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,200 so yeah we do we have 790 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,599 reports well so that's that's where the 791 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,119 American Waterworks has a a passing 792 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,319 threshold that is 3% wide so 100% 793 00:36:06,319 --> 00:36:09,440 obviously is your meters perfect um 794 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,079 anything less than 98.5% accurate or 795 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:13,839 reading greater than 796 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:17,480 101.5 accurate fails technically we saw 797 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,160 some that were close to that and some 798 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,400 that weren't close to that um so the 799 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,520 idea being you know is there any major 800 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,319 Flags here with some of the larger water 801 00:36:28,319 --> 00:36:30,920 users and and I think it's part of the 802 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,319 problem um but I I also don't know if 803 00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:35,920 the particular users we we looked at you 804 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040 know would move the needle so to speak 805 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,079 so much so yeah you can test meters it's 806 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,800 a common practice um and we did that um 807 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,520 to some scale just to get a sense so 808 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,960 yeah yeah uh Z supp Ain you just brought 809 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,000 up something that fascinated me um and 810 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,359 that was that you said you've been here 811 00:36:58,359 --> 00:37:01,599 about 2 years uh I can tell you maybe 812 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,800 about 15 or 20 years ago we had a 813 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,079 townwide water band and no hoses at all 814 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,599 um the flat ledge Quarry I think was 815 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,839 down around 45 ft or something like that 816 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:18,319 and the soil in in my yard was just like 817 00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,800 a dust bowl a new a Nebraska dust bowl 818 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,760 of the 819 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,440 1930s you you were only allowed to take 820 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,680 like five gallon buckets fill them up at 821 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,599 your hose and take them out to your 822 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,240 tomato plants and the soil was so dry it 823 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,480 just you know shed right off so that 824 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,800 brought me to a an idea a thought that 825 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,520 do you have records going back or would 826 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,480 you could you have records going forward 827 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,800 in the event of these dust bow years 828 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,240 that you can actually make a guess as to 829 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,000 how much goes towards Landscaping in 830 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,520 purposes as opposed to you know normal 831 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520 human consumption for drinking and 832 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,640 bathing and stuff like that other words 833 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,920 there would be a clear definition when 834 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,400 you had a total outside Water band and 835 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,440 that would give you an idea of of who is 836 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,560 using water for you know grass and that 837 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,359 type of thing so I'm not saying that we 838 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,599 need a big brother but it might not be a 839 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,839 bad idea 840 00:38:28,839 --> 00:38:31,000 well I mean I know from working in other 841 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,920 communities um and I've come from other 842 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,800 communities that had had bands every 843 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,720 year because they were in a stress water 844 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,560 system uh it's again it's it's without 845 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,640 having the the every home 846 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,079 metered so that you can track outside 847 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,560 water people do what they do uh just 848 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,839 because it's a band doesn't mean people 849 00:38:48,839 --> 00:38:51,480 follow the rules I I just know from my 850 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,400 years of experience that it just doesn't 851 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,280 work that way no I I don't think you can 852 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,119 thanks Kobe then we're going to move on 853 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,800 to the swor system next 854 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,960 Al nope it's 855 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,680 fine Toby renan rates aren't uh the 856 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,720 consultant's concern but they're very 857 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,480 much your concern and you Bruce at one 858 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,880 point said that you were interested in 859 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040 uh considering uh variable rates for 860 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,640 those uh charging those who used very 861 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,079 large amounts more uh could the 862 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,480 consultant having experience of many 863 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,400 communities tell us uh how common is 864 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,200 such a system do other communities do 865 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,359 that how many um and what effect do they 866 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:39,640 get out of it if you have any uh 867 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,720 thoughts on the subject well before you start I would say this that 868 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,640 we have another study ongoing now that 869 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200 um we will be 870 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,359 getting some results back from in the 871 00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:57,960 not too distant future 872 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,160 and uh it will be something we'll look 873 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,440 at before we implement the rates for the 874 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,880 following year so it's coming yeah I 875 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,359 I've seen communities have teed rates um 876 00:40:10,359 --> 00:40:12,839 usually they're they have a a more 877 00:40:12,839 --> 00:40:15,640 variable water user system so there's 878 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,560 larger water users commercial industrial 879 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,800 um that's typically when I'd see that a 880 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,280 community like Rockport I think is 881 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,079 fairly homogeneous I guess in terms of 882 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,560 water usage but Manchester so I'm going 883 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,960 to use Manchester Manchester has a 884 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,160 teared system they have an extreme an 885 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,240 extreme teared system um uh they have 886 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,920 three or four tiers and uh people that 887 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,760 use a lot of water that fourth tier 888 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,040 that's a that's an expensive tier um is 889 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,359 that advantageous to them to your 890 00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:54,280 knowledge um based on again uh to me it 891 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,920 is advantageous because it allows people 892 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,000 that want to be conserve that conser 893 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,079 want to conserve water to control their 894 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,319 Destiny for their for their bills a 895 00:41:03,319 --> 00:41:06,680 little better uh and then people that 896 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,040 have the disposable income can consume 897 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,160 what they want it it reminds me of the 898 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,400 pay as you go system with trust really 899 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200 it's very similar similar 900 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,599 yeah sorry one more question um Denise 901 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,440 Donley 72 Pigeon Hill Street um is there 902 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,760 a process for appealing to the D to 903 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,240 increase the WMA maximum withdrawal 904 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,160 amount yes and 905 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,400 no so so yes and no um what they're 906 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,520 going to tell us first um is it going to 907 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,760 tell us to look 908 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040 at like Bob has already said they're 909 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,560 going to tell us to look 910 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,720 at try to look at your leaks try to look 911 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,079 at your meters do all that first and 912 00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:53,599 then if things don't 913 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,000 improve then they would look to say Okay 914 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,319 um 915 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:03,040 you would be proposing to increase your withdrawal right or look for a new 916 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,839 source right yeah it's if you correct me 917 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,240 if you think no I think you're 100% 918 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:08,319 correct and they look at your water 919 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:10,520 supply and whether your water supply 920 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,319 there's certain Aaron said there's 921 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:14,359 stress Watershed zip River Watershed is 922 00:42:14,359 --> 00:42:17,319 a stress so um they would look at all 923 00:42:17,319 --> 00:42:20,040 facets of it before they in my opinion 924 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,559 would agree and it's a it can be a 925 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,800 tedious process so um yes and no I think 926 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,640 is the answer sorry that's good question 927 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,760 um so how are the um what do we call 928 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,640 them the um the no on the first graph 929 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,960 how are those arrived at by 930 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,880 D the permit Max that was just that was 931 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,960 established through our through our uh 932 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,520 safe yield I assume yeah uh years and 933 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,720 years ago um yeah and then on top of 934 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,400 that so we have a permit that goes for 935 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,000 so many years right and then that permit 936 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,559 is establishes that that allowable Max 937 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,880 okay so at the end of that term for that 938 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,119 particular permit do they re-evaluate 939 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:07,599 things or do they just stick with the 940 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,720 same they reevaluate usually it stays 941 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,480 the same but what's happening now is 942 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,680 they're trying to reduce you not 943 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,240 increase you okay because what I was 944 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,760 going to ask is what is that based on 945 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,520 what's the permit you know like if they 946 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,680 if if you're say you had a 5-year permit 947 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,000 or something and then D you come to the 948 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,760 end of that um what are the factors in a 949 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,720 community that they're looking at to say 950 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,000 well this one should well like you said 951 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,480 they're looking all across the board to 952 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,599 decrease it's usually there's there's a 953 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:36,880 lot of factors I don't have them off the 954 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,040 top of my head but there you know how 955 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,240 much growth potential growth that's what 956 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,920 I'm assuming yeah okay increase in 957 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,640 population increas but then they're also 958 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,240 looking at Water efficiency because the 959 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,359 industry's gotten more efficient than 960 00:43:50,359 --> 00:43:53,040 you know okay all all the the appliances 961 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,720 and the fixtures have gotten all more 962 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,559 efficient so there's a mass balance so 963 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,200 to speak um there's there's a number of 964 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,760 factors that I don't know them all sure 965 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000 yeah I just I'm just trying to educate 966 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,920 myself so we did try to I think as a 967 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,000 matter of fact I think Rockport and 968 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,240 Manchester have the same Water 969 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,559 Management act withdraw number um and it 970 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,359 sounds odd because it's like how could 971 00:44:12,359 --> 00:44:14,599 it be that exact but um it was 972 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,480 established a while ago when the town 973 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,079 probably looked a little different um 974 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,400 but as Aaron said you know conservation 975 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,079 methods and it seem to be more of a 976 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,599 practice now and so it is a bit of a 977 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,839 balance here so you have to demonstrate 978 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,359 likely through increased population or 979 00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:31,480 something like that to try to change and 980 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,760 your Watershed would have to be able to 981 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,240 Bear it as well yes so because it's one 982 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:36,599 thing to say we just going to up it but 983 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,920 do you have it right so yeah and some 984 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,200 don't and that's the that's the 985 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,680 challenge 986 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,720 so I know that like MW spills water 987 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,839 annually they have such a large 988 00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:47,559 Watershed it's just you know so they're 989 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,200 looking for customers but that's true 990 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,000 it's different yeah I know I said we 991 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,119 were going to move on to on to the uh 992 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,520 store system now but one thing I've 993 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,599 learned through this process which I 994 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,040 found 995 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,640 interesting and uh especially with the 996 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,040 zoning that's that's in front of us is 997 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,640 that both Aaron and Bob have said the 998 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,240 same number that the state looks at 999 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:16,599 about 65 gallons per person per day for 1000 00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,160 water so you can kind of do the math and 1001 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,839 figure this out so if you get a 100 1002 00:45:22,839 --> 00:45:25,640 units with two people in them you can 1003 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,079 kind of determine what the water usage 1004 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,960 would be going 1005 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,480 forward and uh it's it's interesting so 1006 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,359 y 65 gallons per person per day yeah all 1007 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:41,319 right Bob why don't we uh go to the next 1008 00:45:41,319 --> 00:45:44,200 subject okay all right 1009 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,760 so so the next slide is sort of a 1010 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,160 there's a lot of things going on there 1011 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,319 we tried to tried to make it as 1012 00:45:51,319 --> 00:45:52,480 straightforward as possible but there 1013 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,240 was a lot of information 1014 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,119 um is uh summary of of your Wastewater 1015 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,880 collection system and things happening 1016 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,079 at the plant so I'm going to need to 1017 00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,520 lean in here cuz my glasses are 1018 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,119 home so um it's probably better if I 1019 00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:12,640 look at this one actually 1020 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,520 um so we um we have a fair much like the 1021 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,480 water system the the town collects 1022 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,119 Wastewater flow data um really at the 1023 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,760 Wastewater Plant um and so a lot of our 1024 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,720 analyses was revolved around that data 1025 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,640 that's available and um we've been to 1026 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,200 the plant a bunch of times and gotten 1027 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,880 intimate with the plant and know know 1028 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,800 the process fairly well um and so in a 1029 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,920 collection system so when a water system 1030 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,960 water leaves the water system you don't 1031 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,599 want it to right in a drinking water 1032 00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:47,680 system you want to keep the water in the 1033 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,280 pipe so it can serve the customers in a 1034 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,599 Wastewater system as it ages it starts 1035 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,319 to accept water through cracks and old 1036 00:46:55,319 --> 00:46:56,440 infrastructure so it's kind of working 1037 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,200 in the opposite and for the same reasons 1038 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,760 it's it's a bad thing because um 1039 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,960 groundwater or flow that isn't pure 1040 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:12,599 waste water gets into it so um so that's the other side of the table 1041 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,760 um we let's see so just to kind of run 1042 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,720 through what's what's established there 1043 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,640 um much like your water system you have 1044 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,079 a a permit limit on what you can 1045 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,000 discharge for waste 1046 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,880 water oh thank you 1047 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,960 well these are great all right watch 1048 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,160 out I might go home with these I know um 1049 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,880 so the D sets your discharge permit as 1050 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,880 well so they only allow you to discharge 1051 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,200 so much um again it's permit driven and 1052 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000 it has a lot to do with similar factors 1053 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,760 population treatment plant capacity all 1054 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,240 that's established based on very 1055 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,000 specifics of the Town um so your 1056 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,800 discharge permit is8 MGD or 800,000 1057 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,960 gallons a year okay um when you start to 1058 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,960 get to 80% of that which is in the 1059 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,960 6465 um The Regulators get a little um 1060 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,400 curious I guess and as as you would as a 1061 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,400 an owner of a collection system um about 1062 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,720 why we're getting that to that level of 1063 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,280 our discharge permit and nine and a half 1064 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,839 times out of 10 it's it's infiltration 1065 00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:21,440 and inflow which maybe you've heard of 1066 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,720 maybe you haven't um so Rockport is an 1067 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,440 older system much like many communities 1068 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,319 in m Massachusetts and over time it 1069 00:48:29,319 --> 00:48:32,079 degrades and water gets in um you guys 1070 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,000 know better than I do there's probably a 1071 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,720 lot of some pumps is it's Rockport for a 1072 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,160 reason it's not it's much rock rock 1073 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,880 doesn't allow water to infiltrate so it 1074 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,880 kind of follows in many cases pipe 1075 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,359 trenches they probably blasted Rock to 1076 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:48,079 put sewers in at one point water loves 1077 00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,280 to just migrate there and unfortunately 1078 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,440 it can get into sewer pipes so um so the 1079 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,480 regulatory side is very consistent um we 1080 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,920 tried to break this out um the best we 1081 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,880 could to sort of track track the what's 1082 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,359 been happening in the collection system 1083 00:49:04,359 --> 00:49:07,839 so um the just to follow left to right 1084 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,040 here the acop line is an administrative 1085 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,319 consent order that the town has meaning 1086 00:49:13,319 --> 00:49:16,359 Mast D stepped in and said you're likely 1087 00:49:16,359 --> 00:49:18,040 experiencing too much inii infiltration 1088 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,400 and inflow you need to do something 1089 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,720 about it and that's a regulatory 1090 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,240 requirement to do it so now it's an 1091 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,200 action um and so that period between the 1092 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,400 two pink lines was when you had um the 1093 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,880 administrative order and specifically 1094 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,319 when new connections to the source 1095 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:36,280 system were not allowed because they're 1096 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,599 saying you can't handle it you can't 1097 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,920 accommodate it you can't do it it was 1098 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,160 lifted 1099 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,480 in it looks like January of 2011 um and 1100 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,359 so um so so we wanted to just capture 1101 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,880 that to see what the impacts were um did 1102 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,359 it help did it not the other thing that 1103 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:56,200 we tried to capture here is the town has 1104 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,720 performed Rehabilitation of its sewer 1105 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:00,680 system um and that's what those gray 1106 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,799 bars are so wherever you see those gray 1107 00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:05,960 bars this the town has invested in 1108 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,799 usually it's lining sewer pipes so that 1109 00:50:08,799 --> 00:50:12,319 you keep things from getting in um so 1110 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,280 you've done work and we also wanted to 1111 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,880 see how that impacted the performance 1112 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,400 and to really the 1113 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:24,880 flows um and um the orange well let me 1114 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,319 start with the green line the green line 1115 00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:28,240 is the 12-month rolling average and 1116 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,200 that's what the town reports to D and 1117 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,440 what d watches quite heavily um so they 1118 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,720 want to make sure that you're staying 1119 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:43,040 below that that threshold there what on a 12-month rolling average so you can 1120 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,680 see your discharge limit you can see 1121 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,040 where the green was above that and then 1122 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,240 it sort of started to dive a little bit 1123 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,040 and much like the water system seasonal 1124 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,920 conditions have a big factor here so if 1125 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160 you get a really wet season you're 1126 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,200 likely to see more flow in your 1127 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,480 Wastewater system which lines up very 1128 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,480 well in Rockport unfortunately when you 1129 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,680 have a lot of rain you see a lot of flow 1130 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,079 so we we're comfortable with 1131 00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,880 that the largest issue you you're facing 1132 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,359 on your Wastewater collection system is 1133 00:51:16,359 --> 00:51:20,200 the quantity of infiltration and inflow 1134 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,640 within it and and that's storm water 1135 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,400 essentially doesn't need to be treated 1136 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,920 uh to that degree anyway um and it does 1137 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,040 is it chews up capacity at your at your 1138 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,480 plant and your pump stations and all 1139 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,680 that um when that happens if you've 1140 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,520 exceeded capacity of your collection 1141 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,000 system it starts to leave the system and 1142 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,000 it could leave through manholes into the 1143 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,079 streets it could be into basements and 1144 00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:44,839 that's a violation it's called a 1145 00:51:44,839 --> 00:51:47,240 sanitary sore overflow it's a 1146 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,119 violation um and you're supposed to 1147 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,880 report those every time that happens you 1148 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,160 have to report it to the state and then 1149 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,880 there's a notification process and 1150 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,359 you're a Coastal Community so you're 1151 00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:56,920 trying to protect your receiving Waters 1152 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,280 and beautiful 1153 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,119 beaches um the last line on there is 1154 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,200 sort of a trend line and that was 1155 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,559 something that the The Advisory Board uh 1156 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,319 asked us to add on there just to kind of 1157 00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:10,319 get a general sense as to what what is 1158 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:17,040 the trends so it had dropped and it's kind of going back up again um it 1159 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,799 really does strain not only your 1160 00:52:18,799 --> 00:52:20,280 collection system your pump stations 1161 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,119 because everything's working more it's 1162 00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:27,079 wearing more it's using more energy to can to power these systems but it's 1163 00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,160 also potentially creating overflow 1164 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,200 situations that you you're you'd be 1165 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,720 violating um certainly health code but um Mass the EP standards you can't 1166 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,559 have those um you know 1167 00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,599 Rockport has a very significant amount 1168 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,079 of inii that enters its Wastewater 1169 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,040 collection system um 1170 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,319 so out of the water and the Wastewater 1171 00:52:49,319 --> 00:52:51,040 side it the Wastewater side is fairly 1172 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,440 straightforward and easy because all you 1173 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,839 have to do is look at some meter data 1174 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:55,160 you don't need to be an engineer 1175 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,599 certainly to look at that and be like 1176 00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:58,079 okay yeah this it's raining and we've 1177 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,040 looked at it three ways from Sunday it's it's rainfall getting into your 1178 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,079 system um could be from some pumps um I 1179 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:07,480 have some pumps at my house I don't put 1180 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,079 them in the sewer system but I have them 1181 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:10,480 I know what it's like to have water in 1182 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,000 the basement and it can be stressful so 1183 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440 I have them um it's tough to keep those 1184 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,280 separated although masty EP actually um 1185 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,119 thought that your your ordinance was 1186 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,280 quite impressive and they were very 1187 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,680 pleased with that so I think that was an 1188 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,240 outcome of one of the administrative 1189 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,839 orders that you had so I think you know 1190 00:53:26,839 --> 00:53:29,119 Town's done a nice job with enforcement 1191 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,400 it's hard to keep keep those out the 1192 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,119 other part is when it rains you know 1193 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,040 better than I do it it really doesn't 1194 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,240 have anywhere to go but again into a 1195 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:39,839 rock and it follows the path of lease 1196 00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:41,440 resistance which is sometimes these 1197 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,160 seore trenches that have been cut into 1198 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,559 rock and that have stone trenches that 1199 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,400 just make a really nice place for water 1200 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,920 to migrate and it's you know we we broke 1201 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,240 this out because we had a fair amount of 1202 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:52,559 data I know the city that the town's 1203 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,520 been working very hard or have has been 1204 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,079 working to try to m mitigate some of 1205 00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,119 that and it's tough to do um we've had a 1206 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:01,760 lot of data to support it but you know 1207 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,319 there's some instances where the 1208 00:54:03,319 --> 00:54:05,280 majority of the water and the sore pipe 1209 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,960 is infiltration or it's not Wastewater 1210 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,680 so um I think the easy recommendation 1211 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,839 here is and unfortunately all these 1212 00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,319 older systems and it's everywhere 1213 00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:21,000 require maintenance um and it requires 1214 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,000 funding to mitigate it and so um I you 1215 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,240 know the recommendation here is 1216 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,760 before um before you would consider 1217 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,520 whether it be increasing your discharge 1218 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,839 limit or trying to increase capacity or 1219 00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:37,040 your Wastewater Plant it would be try to 1220 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,680 mitigate the infiltration and inflow 1221 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,480 which again um is something that you've 1222 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,400 done sparingly but I think a 1223 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,359 concentrated effort in doing that is 1224 00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:48,319 necessary to to get this under ws and 1225 00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:50,240 it's you're never going to get all of it 1226 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,760 it's just not if anybody gets all of it 1227 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,319 it'd be the first time ever I think 1228 00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:55,760 you're trying to stay ahead of it as 1229 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,760 much as you can 1230 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,920 um and manage it enough where um you're 1231 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,880 staying 1232 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,520 compliant you are um you know in doing 1233 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,040 so you're preserving your infrastructure 1234 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,440 very expensive 1235 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,240 infrastructure um and it it it's just a 1236 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,079 it's it's something that most cities and 1237 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,480 towns in the Commonwealth are dealing 1238 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,680 with um having an ongoing robust program 1239 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,400 is important so um I'm not sure if you 1240 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,000 know this particular figure demonstrates 1241 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000 it I you we we've looked at this aund 1242 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,480 ways um but and seeing what worked what 1243 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,720 didn't work um but it's clear that you 1244 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,440 know this year and Aaron and I have been 1245 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,720 throughout the system we've seen 1246 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,480 situations where it's very obvious that 1247 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,359 there's um 1248 00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:42,599 excessive ini I getting into the system 1249 00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,760 and D EPS standards 4,000 GPD IM which 1250 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,599 is kind of an old metric but it's 1251 00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:52,760 something that they use um again um a 1252 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,520 lot of that data is included in the in 1253 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,880 the memo as well it just even specific 1254 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,200 parts of the town that have been broken 1255 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,559 out in previous studies and how you know 1256 00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,240 how much they have typically it's older 1257 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,680 sections of towns that suffer from it 1258 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,520 sometimes 1259 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,319 Coastal 1260 00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:11,720 um but the the Wastewater side's 1261 00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:13,880 certainly more straightforward for us 1262 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,039 looking at this I think you know there's 1263 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:16,359 still some unknowns on how you're losing 1264 00:56:16,359 --> 00:56:17,760 water and I think that's something that 1265 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,680 aons and and the town's committed to 1266 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,359 looking at but Wastewater is pretty 1267 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:26,000 obvious really um can you before we open 1268 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,280 up questions um could you just remind us 1269 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,079 so our our capacity or our limit is 1270 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:35,599 800,000 gallons yeah your your discharge 1271 00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,720 permit is for 800,000 gallons a year 1272 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,839 your Wastewater Plant has a capacity for 1273 00:56:40,839 --> 00:56:43,280 1.2 million gallons and on the busiest 1274 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,680 day of July 4th or Memorial Day what are 1275 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,119 we running at you're probably running in 1276 00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,829 the four to five 400,000 1277 00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:54,280 $500,000 gallons a day range yeah 1278 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,799 without without you saying Without Rain 1279 00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:59,839 so without rain so assuming that those 1280 00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:01,160 people are here in the summer it's 1281 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,880 really not raining hard I think I'm just 1282 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,799 trying to make it clear that our system 1283 00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:10,240 is robust enough to support Wastewater 1284 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,520 our system is not robust enough to 1285 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,960 support the rainfall through 1286 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,440 infiltration pipes right corre okay your 1287 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,160 dry weather flows are very typical and 1288 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,319 great it's when you have the rainfall 1289 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:24,200 and again you're right I mean it's it's 1290 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,680 interesting because when your population 1291 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,440 seemingly goes up twofold in the 1292 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,359 summertime is when your Wastewater flows 1293 00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:32,319 are generally the lowest cuz you're not 1294 00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:37,640 in the wet weather Seasons um so if you could and and you know obviously 1295 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,200 this year has been it's been wet and 1296 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,880 it's shows um it affects the process at 1297 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:47,119 the plant it it has issues it has it can cause problems 1298 00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,319 so thanks thanks Bruce Denise Donley uh 1299 00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:54,720 72 Pigeon Hill Street a couple things um 1300 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,880 the town is going to Alex almost a 1301 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,599 million dollars from the arpa money 1302 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,760 toward I I um this coming year so that's 1303 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,200 good news and it's already going to be 1304 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,200 awarded what's that we've already bid 1305 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,400 the project it's going to be awarded oh 1306 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,480 fantastic excellent I'm just trying to 1307 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,559 get the you know the the recommendations 1308 00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:20,799 through so sorry sorry to interrupt no good and then I know we got um 1309 00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:22,319 950,000 1310 00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:26,359 from uh Congressman Molt's office is 1311 00:58:26,359 --> 00:58:29,280 that also going to be going toward inii 1312 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,520 or what's we have so many priority needs 1313 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,039 um it may but my guts telling me I I'm 1314 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,319 going to need to put some money into the 1315 00:58:37,319 --> 00:58:40,400 actual treatment plant we our 1316 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,559 infrastructure has so many needs y uh um 1317 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,200 y you have you it's you have the 1318 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,480 treatment plant then you have your 1319 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,640 collection system pipes they both need 1320 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,760 needs they both have needs and then same 1321 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,640 thing on the water side our our 1322 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,000 treatment plant one of them was built in 1323 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,200 1938 yeah um the other one was built the 1324 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,760 other one that we call the other one 1325 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,799 that we call new was built in 1996 or 1326 00:59:05,799 --> 00:59:08,720 1998 it's not new anymore yeah and then 1327 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,119 obviously and obviously our water pipes 1328 00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,160 um we have major needs for water main 1329 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,359 replacement so this it's it's actually 1330 00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:21,760 kind of can be overwhelming sometimes 1331 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,520 the amount of the amount of needs that 1332 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,960 we have to try to bring our 1333 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,960 infrastructure back to somewhat uh more 1334 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,280 manageable mhm I had um just one last 1335 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,359 question if I might there's an untapped 1336 00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:37,880 well head um over by the train station 1337 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,720 and I'm just wondering thinking about um 1338 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,799 making Supply available would it be 1339 00:59:43,799 --> 00:59:46,480 possible to tap that well head and 1340 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,599 direct that Supply toward the wastewater 1341 00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:51,200 treatment plant and free up 1342 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,440 Supply um for for residences and 1343 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,480 businesses when you say well head you 1344 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,200 mean we have a we have we you mean 1345 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,640 drinking water correct well I I 1346 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,880 understand the quality isn't great yes 1347 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,760 we don't we that we have we have a 1348 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,799 permited we have a we have a permanent 1349 01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:11,520 Wellhead there we we would use it if we 1350 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,400 had to um it does have high iron content 1351 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,160 so we we don't use it um normally yeah 1352 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,079 because it it degrades the quality of 1353 01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:24,079 water that we put out of the plant um 1354 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,559 but I don't know how that would affect 1355 01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,480 help the Wastewater plan I wasn't 1356 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,559 following you well just because there's 1357 01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,599 the backwash that you talked about that 1358 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,160 goes that that comes as a result of 1359 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,039 processing the 1360 01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:39,720 Wastewater um wouldn't it would it it's 1361 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,880 a theoretical question probably the back 1362 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,240 wash that he was talking about is part 1363 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,720 of the plant the water treatment plant 1364 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,760 process so there's really no way to 1365 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,480 separate that so to speak okay y thank 1366 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,280 you quick question Don s the 33 Strait 1367 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,559 Smith um this I assume also includes 1368 01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,160 Wastewater from residents and businesses 1369 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,039 correct yes um is there any analysis or 1370 01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:04,960 can we derive anything from how many 1371 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,960 more houses we could build or how many 1372 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,400 more residents we could have based upon 1373 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,440 right 1374 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,359 now based upon this data uh does that 1375 01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:19,480 tell us anything about uh how many more 1376 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,960 I don't know units what what well 1377 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,000 unfortunately the way I look at it is I 1378 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,240 have to look at it at worst case 1379 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,680 scenario 1380 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,839 under what weather conditions so under 1381 01:01:28,839 --> 01:01:31,039 what weather conditions we have zero 1382 01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:35,680 capacity right that's under dry 1383 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,720 conditions well I would agree with Aon 1384 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,880 in certain rain events you you you have 1385 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,200 zero capacity in your system it's 1386 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,720 completely inundated with water and so 1387 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,440 we solve for the worst case is that what 1388 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,720 we're doing here well I 1389 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,640 mean I know it's not going to rain all 1390 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520 the time but how do you how do you I'm 1391 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,279 asking you how do we keep on adding how 1392 01:01:57,279 --> 01:01:59,200 do we keep on adding to the system when 1393 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,319 we have conditions that don't that that 1394 01:02:01,319 --> 01:02:03,599 we can't handle now so until we get II 1395 01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,960 under control how do we add to the 1396 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,029 system 1397 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:19,549 yeah okay yeah I got 1398 01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:23,200 a this one at one of our pump stations 1399 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,680 in town here uh way stations um Aaron 1400 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,039 and I were called down to one of our 1401 01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,079 pump stations we had a leak in a wall 1402 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:33,319 which was dividing the uh wet well with 1403 01:02:33,319 --> 01:02:37,440 the pump pump side of the the water um I 1404 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,160 stood under this water for a portion of 1405 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,079 time during a heavy heavy rainstorm this 1406 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:48,200 was clear crystal clear water um coming 1407 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,200 from our wet well which was our sanitary 1408 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,760 well flowing through a crack in the wall 1409 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,200 into our dryw this was crystal clear but 1410 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,079 the funny part of this is that one of 1411 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,760 our Wastewater guys went and tasted 1412 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,240 it we didn't realize this was coming 1413 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,520 from the the the the sanitary side of 1414 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,319 the well until we put two and two 1415 01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:13,680 together he said it tasted like clear 1416 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,599 perfect water that's how much water was 1417 01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,799 in that waist side of the the well 1418 01:03:19,799 --> 01:03:21,359 during that recent 1419 01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:24,680 rainstorm wow it was crystal clear and 1420 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,880 he tasted it and taste it like water so 1421 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,039 oh my gosh bold just to put a little 1422 01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:33,319 don't recommend that yeah yeah 1423 01:03:33,319 --> 01:03:36,799 it's wow comical but but horrifying at 1424 01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:40,480 the same time right it was crystal 1425 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,839 CLE yeah um Z sepper 1426 01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:47,160 again uh as many times as I've gone to 1427 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,880 those DPW Commissioners and heard about 1428 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,039 I I I've still got a guess as to what is 1429 01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:57,279 inflow and what is infil rtion 1430 01:03:57,279 --> 01:03:59,359 infiltration is stuff that's coming 1431 01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:02,440 through the pipes by natural causes and 1432 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,880 inflow is stuff that people illegally 1433 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,680 have hooked up rain gutters and stuff 1434 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,920 into their sewage system is that correct 1435 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,920 pretty much pretty much okay thanks so 1436 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,039 the town continuously over the course of 1437 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:22,440 CP sakes I think it's 50 years has been 1438 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,240 putting forth money to do uh repairs to 1439 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,680 the public part of the system the pipes 1440 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,839 so dark square and all of those other 1441 01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:34,559 places are the pipes are patched up and 1442 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,279 presumably are you know made League 1443 01:04:37,279 --> 01:04:39,920 proof but as far as I can remember 1444 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,559 you've always said that one of the 1445 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,319 problems you have is that you can't do 1446 01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:47,039 anything about the pipes that are on 1447 01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,760 private property so that if they're 1448 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,960 putting in 2,000 gallons of rain water 1449 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,200 it just goes down inside their pipe and 1450 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,640 comes in yours and the question I have 1451 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,279 about all of the studies and stuff being 1452 01:05:03,279 --> 01:05:07,520 done is have you ever tried to make an 1453 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,440 estimate or could you make an estimate 1454 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,119 of of what is actually attributable to 1455 01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:16,039 the inflow that you 1456 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,559 can can't do anything about 1457 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:22,160 presently and the infiltration which 1458 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,640 you've been working on diligently for 50 1459 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,799 years so that the more and more what I'm 1460 01:05:27,799 --> 01:05:31,599 driving at is that more and more and more we keep paying 1461 01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:33,920 for the inflow and stuff but the 1462 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,000 infiltration might be getting worse all 1463 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,559 the time for all we know and there's not 1464 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,119 much you can do about so I'm just 1465 01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:42,440 questioning if if there's any kind of 1466 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,799 analysis that you can do in that regard 1467 01:05:45,799 --> 01:05:47,079 yeah I mean I know that you guys 1468 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,240 recently completed a smoke testing 1469 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,920 program correct yes so smoke testing 1470 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,279 programs will intend to identify those 1471 01:05:56,279 --> 01:05:59,880 inflow sources so what you do is you 1472 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,160 actually in interject smoke into um a 1473 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,279 sewer system and you see where it 1474 01:06:05,279 --> 01:06:07,039 migrates sometimes it comes out of a 1475 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:08,359 catch Basin you know the catch Basin is 1476 01:06:08,359 --> 01:06:10,880 connected so that is a fairly typical 1477 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,119 process and the town just did that not 1478 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,880 that long ago right to try to identify 1479 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,839 the inflow sources which when you when 1480 01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:20,279 you look at flow rates and if it's here 1481 01:06:20,279 --> 01:06:22,319 and then it climbs quickly it's you can 1482 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:23,880 usually attribute it to inflow because 1483 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,240 it's a direct hit in filtration usually 1484 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,799 takes a little bit longer to kind of get 1485 01:06:27,799 --> 01:06:29,799 into the system and then it starts to go 1486 01:06:29,799 --> 01:06:31,359 up so you can see it on a graph and you 1487 01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:33,359 can see it uh or you can identify it 1488 01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:34,839 through a smoke testing program say and 1489 01:06:34,839 --> 01:06:36,559 there's other ways to do it so the town 1490 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,680 has done taken measures to try to 1491 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,279 identify those yeah and and we based on 1492 01:06:41,279 --> 01:06:43,359 the that report where we've got to find 1493 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:46,240 the funding mechanism to then now Chase 1494 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,559 those issues down because it's great 1495 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,039 that you have the information but you 1496 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:52,640 have now you have to figure out how it's 1497 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,720 connected and you need move time you 1498 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,440 need the funding source to be able to to 1499 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,670 be able to rectify those 1500 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:06,319 issues Toby Toby AR senian 95 Granite uh 1501 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:10,400 Mr Parson spoke about uh checking out um 1502 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,720 the uh older portions of the Town sewer 1503 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,160 system it's divided into districts which 1504 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,359 the Commissioners are probably familiar 1505 01:07:18,359 --> 01:07:21,720 with and nobody else those are are just 1506 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,000 for mapping purposes and for the testing 1507 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,119 but um 1508 01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:28,200 you know one of the districts that has 1509 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,839 been repeatedly uh fixed fixed in quotes 1510 01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:34,720 and I'm not sneering at you guys is over 1511 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,119 there towards uh old Garden Beach that 1512 01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,960 was fixed once I believe it's been fixed 1513 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,279 in the process no okay that's good and 1514 01:07:43,279 --> 01:07:44,960 one of the ones that is currently 1515 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,760 defective at my understanding is marmy 1516 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,000 and way and that was one that was built 1517 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,079 uh privately uh the Commissioners had I 1518 01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,240 was told to say yes to it it was not 1519 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,839 built by the town of Rockport or rather 1520 01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:01,799 it was not financed by the town of 1521 01:08:01,799 --> 01:08:04,480 Rockport that was done at the behest of 1522 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,880 the people who lived in that 1523 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,359 neighborhood and at the time being the 1524 01:08:08,359 --> 01:08:11,079 one person who vly objected to the whole 1525 01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,599 scheme I was told that the Commissioners 1526 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,199 had no right to say no if they met the 1527 01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,799 uh the technical physical standards for 1528 01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:21,040 the construction of the system that the 1529 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,719 Commissioners had to sign off on it uh 1530 01:08:23,719 --> 01:08:26,040 to your knowledge is that correct is it 1531 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,359 still correct because you're dealing 1532 01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,920 with all of the U the logistical 1533 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,159 technical parts of it but there is also 1534 01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:35,199 out there like all of the bureaucratic 1535 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:38,319 horrors of the permits uh there are the 1536 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,719 legalities of it you know who can 1537 01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:43,560 connect under what circumstances and if 1538 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,719 you can tie in a whole uh long road half 1539 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:49,679 a mile or more uh without the town being 1540 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:53,359 able to say no uh then you know you're 1541 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,719 in um it's very hard let's put it um 1542 01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:58,839 mildly it's very hard to make any sorts 1543 01:08:58,839 --> 01:09:01,960 of plans if for instance with the zoning 1544 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,839 that nobody wants to talk about uh up 1545 01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:07,440 there on great Hill somebody came in and 1546 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:10,120 launched a great development and decided 1547 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,880 they would do the sewer at their expense 1548 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,839 could the town uh say no to it I've been 1549 01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:17,520 trying to get answers out of the 1550 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,520 majesties that's the selectman with no 1551 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,480 success uh and troubled you with my 1552 01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:26,480 concerns also uh all of it needs to be 1553 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:29,040 spelled out you know the legalities of 1554 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,199 who can say no under what circumstances 1555 01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,359 you know it's part as much part of the 1556 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:39,319 picture as the logistics and and the 1557 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,600 permitting well I'll do the best I can 1558 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,960 to answer some of that is uh I think the 1559 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,600 DPW has a lot of control in the 1560 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,799 development of 1561 01:09:51,799 --> 01:09:54,120 a housing 1562 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,550 project uh 1563 01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:58,920 there are some change there's some 1564 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,560 differences if they're already on a sore 1565 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,280 line versus if they're outside of the 1566 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,520 Zone but if they're outside of the Zone 1567 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,159 we can say no to it if it's in the zone 1568 01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:12,960 then I think we have some other ways 1569 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,080 that we can regul regulate the uh growth 1570 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,520 so that it matches the growth of our 1571 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:25,440 capacities within our systems so um 1572 01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:29,800 I think we as a body do have controls 1573 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,110 over the growth of these 1574 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,280 developments I hope you're right I'm 1575 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,280 skeptical 1576 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,600 no Tom so Tom mik 73 marmian way and 1577 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,840 vice chair of planning board um I 1578 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,440 mentioned a deep dive that I took into 1579 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,480 the 2022 report from tetr and I prepared 1580 01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,480 a presentation that I gave to the plan 1581 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,360 board and to the ad hoc water committee 1582 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,040 uh concluding with some possible 1583 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,520 solutions to the limitations on water 1584 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,719 and and Wastewater capacity and uh DPW 1585 01:11:07,719 --> 01:11:09,719 is pursuing some of those Solutions but 1586 01:11:09,719 --> 01:11:11,600 there are others that are kind of not 1587 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,440 yet in the cards and I think there's a 1588 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,560 lot that could be done to allow growth 1589 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,960 in capacity some of which relates to 1590 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,760 even the planning uh for for high 1591 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,199 density developments can be done to be 1592 01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:26,239 much more efficient ient on the use of 1593 01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:28,960 water and waste waterer uh so if you 1594 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,120 want to see some of those Solutions I've 1595 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,040 got my presentation posted on the 1596 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,360 planning board web page and Rob has a 1597 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,280 copy of it and it looks like this but I 1598 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,239 do want to take issue to one thing that 1599 01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,639 Bob said as a solution he mentioned 1600 01:11:44,639 --> 01:11:46,679 increasing the capacity of the treatment 1601 01:11:46,679 --> 01:11:49,520 plant the wastewater treatment plant I 1602 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,400 think that is totally unnecessary 1603 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,159 because if you look at the monthly 1604 01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:56,560 average data I I said not to I said they 1605 01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,000 never allow yeah I said not yeah yeah I 1606 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,440 agree with you I I would never the he 1607 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:04,440 would never allow us yeah to increase 1608 01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,800 the capacity yeah ever yeah it would 1609 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,239 laugh at us it has a much cap higher 1610 01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:12,639 capacity than it required right now it's 1611 01:12:12,639 --> 01:12:14,920 on a monthly average basis is it handles 1612 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,560 about twice the discharge permit so 1613 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,639 everybody who's gone around saying we 1614 01:12:20,639 --> 01:12:21,960 might need to build a new plant or 1615 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,800 increase the plant forget about it agreed yeah I agree we 1616 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,679 agree 1617 01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:30,120 yeah 1618 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,440 Paul Paul set 41 Granite Street I got 1619 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,840 two questions waste water and clean 1620 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,280 water um clean water the water from the 1621 01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,760 plant how does it get to the towers is 1622 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,199 it a dedicated service or a dedicated 1623 01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,320 line or through town distribution lines 1624 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,880 so I don't know exactly how from the 1625 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,080 plant to the towers I it's all it's all 1626 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,880 the same lines yeah no at line to the 1627 01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,760 towers so it's just because we we we we 1628 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,280 pump during the day we shut off at night 1629 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,719 and we we run off our Towers at night uh 1630 01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:07,800 Wastewater is it possible to 1631 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:15,239 test the pump station for salt water yes because if saltwater the main if you 1632 01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:17,159 could isolate that that would be back 1633 01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:20,400 Beach or dark square but Back Beach 1634 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,239 there's potential salinity issues and 1635 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:24,840 we're going to be looking at that right 1636 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,480 yeah Y and just just to give you a 1637 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:29,239 caveat to that one thing I did look at 1638 01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:31,719 is Tides but the one thing I did look at 1639 01:13:31,719 --> 01:13:34,159 is that you get very extreme high tides 1640 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:36,800 in the summer when you don't get rain 1641 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:44,480 and we don't see the amount of flow at the plant at the Summers 1642 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,040 granted we don't get we get we make it 1643 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,440 the rain in the 1644 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,040 summer but we don't get the storm surges 1645 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,480 but so there may be a connection 1646 01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:55,320 solinity connection but we have to 1647 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,950 research that 1648 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,800 further yes ma yes thank you again Linda 1649 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,480 medit 98 Main Street bear with me in my 1650 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,040 ignorance 1651 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:10,040 um the resoning question via the MBTA it 1652 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:16,400 has to be discussed it's being voted on Monday night and so one plank of this 1653 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,800 program is by right 1654 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,159 construction and so we've also heard 1655 01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,120 that the town is not categorically 1656 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,639 required to provide answers on water 1657 01:14:27,639 --> 01:14:30,840 sewer before this vote on Monday night 1658 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,320 has many of us very concerned and so Mr 1659 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,280 Reed when you say that new development 1660 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,080 can be declined if the sewer system is 1661 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,239 outside of our main body how would that 1662 01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:46,080 interface with byright construction if 1663 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,440 we pass this act thank 1664 01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,320 you 1665 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,239 if 1666 01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:56,520 so the code say say that if if someone 1667 01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,120 builds and they're on the sorage system 1668 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,280 then by rights they have the ability to 1669 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,960 tie into the sorage system however if 1670 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,360 they buy a build on a property that is 1671 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,360 not adjacent to Source system then they 1672 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,560 have no rights 1673 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,400 to tie into the sour system so we would 1674 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,800 just not issue a permit for that to 1675 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,600 happen Okay that part's simple the part 1676 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,560 that is not as simple is if they are on 1677 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,360 the Sor line yes and they wanted to 1678 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,880 build a big we would have to work at 1679 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,080 controlling that growth and that's when 1680 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,719 I would say you know maybe it would be 1681 01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:41,199 through you can do 10 units a year or so 1682 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:42,480 and that would be something that we need 1683 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,199 to work with and Toby's right that is 1684 01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:45,639 something that we would need to work 1685 01:15:45,639 --> 01:15:47,639 with our attorneys on but I've done some 1686 01:15:47,639 --> 01:15:50,560 work on this already and it appears that 1687 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,120 we have 1688 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,199 controls to do some of that work so that 1689 01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:57,679 we can you we can't just say no you 1690 01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:00,120 can't develop but we can control the 1691 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,920 development to make it fit with our 1692 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,199 capacities of water and 1693 01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:09,629 sore Thank 1694 01:16:09,639 --> 01:16:13,880 You Toby AR senan um thank you Bruce for 1695 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,480 doing that um I that's a good start I 1696 01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:19,760 think it all needs to be spelled out it 1697 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,520 needs to be um you know for each 1698 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,560 possible scenario with connections uh 1699 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,520 who you know is entitled to say yes or 1700 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,760 to say no under what circumstances and 1701 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,280 it's a sufficient importance you know 1702 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,560 that you the Commissioners should twist 1703 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,199 arms with the Town Administrator and 1704 01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,960 their majesties and get it spelled out 1705 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,560 in writing uh by Town Council yeah with 1706 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,199 citations out of law so it isn't a 1707 01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:50,400 matter of you know what Mitch Vieira 1708 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,520 told you or um you know what you heard 1709 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,600 from s some state of official over the uh telephone or anything of that 1710 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,239 sort so that it's there for reference 1711 01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:04,440 purposes and we all know exactly you 1712 01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:06,679 know what might happen in different 1713 01:17:06,679 --> 01:17:09,960 circumstances and I I you know I'm half 1714 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,639 lined and have trouble reading that but 1715 01:17:12,639 --> 01:17:14,520 one thing I think would be helpful to 1716 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,040 have on it which are I believe or not 1717 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,280 there are the cases in which there have 1718 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,880 been bypasses I believe there have been 1719 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,480 over the years Mr Parson referred to 1720 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,239 cases where um you know sewage came 1721 01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:30,400 welling up out of um manholes I was 1722 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,000 unaware of such I don't know if such 1723 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,000 things happen but there have been 1724 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,320 bypasses and certainly those are 1725 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,880 violations of state law have to be 1726 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,440 reported and would lead you to believe 1727 01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,440 that the capacity is not as as uh 1728 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:49,360 favorable as um some people um the 1729 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,199 planning board would lead you to believe 1730 01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:54,880 so could we have those and also I I 1731 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,639 think it would be really helpful and 1732 01:17:56,639 --> 01:17:59,280 instructive to know what the physical 1733 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,320 circumstances the weather uh were that 1734 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,840 led to those uh those bypasses because 1735 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,880 those are the worst case uh scenarios 1736 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,800 and you know whether or not you would 1737 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,199 include the disaster at dark Square I 1738 01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,800 don't know was that triggered by weather 1739 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,159 or did that just you know a bolt from 1740 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:21,560 the blue occurs I don't know but 1741 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,719 definitely those should be on the charts 1742 01:18:23,719 --> 01:18:26,239 and are definitely Al part of any 1743 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,920 calculations you 1744 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,920 make thank 1745 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,639 you well I think we've 1746 01:18:34,639 --> 01:18:37,199 been let me get back to my mic here 1747 01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:38,840 we've been talking about this for a 1748 01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,920 couple of hours now we're close 1749 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,000 to hour and a 1750 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,880 half um so I think pretty much you know 1751 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,400 what we know 1752 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,320 now and I hope this is helpful to those 1753 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:52,880 of you who have come 1754 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,600 today and uh thank you appreciate you my 1755 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,840 pleasure thank you thank you for having 1756 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,080 me that so 1757 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,639 um what so no um the next step with with 1758 01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:06,120 this 1759 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,719 um well I think we've got a couple of 1760 01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,760 steps coming up I mean you know there's 1761 01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,360 still work being done um so there 1762 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,239 ultimately it'll be some point when 1763 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,639 we're uh get a finished report okay I 1764 01:19:18,639 --> 01:19:20,239 think the next big thing that everyone 1765 01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:22,280 should be interested in is what's 1766 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,679 happening with the water rate study 1767 01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:30,120 and um that it'll be in May that we'll 1768 01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,159 be should should be May yes we'll have 1769 01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,040 that in May and we'll we'll be able to 1770 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,400 talk about that and looking at what that 1771 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,440 would do rates yeah we have to set rates 1772 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,480 for next fiscal year so we would like to 1773 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:49,280 if it makes sense to this group to 1774 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:54,080 uh possibly do that and make it a tiered 1775 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,000 rate 1776 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,000 and what that would do from my 1777 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,080 estimation is is 1778 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,040 that it would make life easier for those 1779 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,560 of us that don't use a lot of 1780 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,639 water and for those that use a lot of 1781 01:20:08,639 --> 01:20:11,440 water they'll pay more than we do so the 1782 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:14,679 rates would vary depending on the usage 1783 01:20:14,679 --> 01:20:18,560 of water with high water usage would pay 1784 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:19,719 a higher 1785 01:20:19,719 --> 01:20:23,960 price so that when we haven't seen it 1786 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,639 yet 1787 01:20:25,639 --> 01:20:28,440 completed so 1788 01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:30,800 um when we get it we'll have another 1789 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,840 meeting like this so that people can see 1790 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,360 how this new water rate would 1791 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,840 work Bruce Will Will these three slides 1792 01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,239 be posted to the 1793 01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:46,440 site sure we can do that the DPW site 1794 01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:49,159 yes we can certainly do 1795 01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:52,639 that so Bruce you did mention that 1796 01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:55,600 Manchester by the Sea does have a tiered 1797 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,480 water rate system so you could go up to 1798 01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,600 that town hall and get some information 1799 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,800 from their their DPW or something to see 1800 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,679 essentially what the system does we have 1801 01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:10,239 a wise and stuff right we have a 1802 01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:13,960 consulting firm that is uh the largest 1803 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,159 in the country at doing rates working 1804 01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:20,400 with us on this so the proposal that 1805 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,800 they will present to us would 1806 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,600 be uh similar to a lot 1807 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,360 of systems so you can but we'll have it 1808 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,280 for 1809 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,440 you will they also be looking into the 1810 01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:38,840 uh connection fees I think that's yes 1811 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,510 they will thank 1812 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,360 you so one thing I don't know if we've 1813 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,920 mentioned this or not but if uh if there 1814 01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,480 was a 100 1815 01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:55,639 unit development in town and they had 1816 01:21:55,639 --> 01:22:00,000 two bedrooms that would be about 1817 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,120 $550,000 that they would owe the town 1818 01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,920 for licensing for Ry and 1819 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,110 I is the way it works 1820 01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,199 now because the number I believe is 1821 01:22:12,199 --> 01:22:17,000 2750 per inii connection correct I got 1822 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,280 it right here yes it is granite Crossing 1823 01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,239 paid just over 90,000 I know that's 1824 01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:25,159 right correct 1825 01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:29,360 was per bedroom uh yes and they had uh I 1826 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,199 think it was I'm going off the top had I 1827 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:34,000 think they had 31 or 33 bedrooms total 1828 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,760 for the entire Pro sounds about right 1829 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,239 yeah 23 1830 01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,120 units that's some l in the day but I 1831 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,840 think what I have here is that it be for 1832 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,080 I I for you know 200 unit or 100 unit 1833 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,189 with 200 bedrooms would be 1834 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,840 $550,000 well to set it in perspective 1835 01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,280 you need to look at that uh against what 1836 01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,320 we have been spending for ini I you know 1837 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,800 over the past 5 years and up the next 1838 01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:04,679 five 1839 01:23:04,679 --> 01:23:07,990 years 1840 01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,120 correct but we are having that that we 1841 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,040 will have some information on what the 1842 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,870 rate should 1843 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,440 be so here nothing else um did we want 1844 01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:22,520 to look at our schedule and figure out 1845 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,199 what we're going to do um 1846 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,280 because so we'll have a public hearing 1847 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,360 about the rates is that June or it's 1848 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,480 usually um I'd have to double check but 1849 01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:35,280 I think it's late May usually late may 1850 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,040 we have to set it you guys need to set 1851 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,719 the rate prior to July 1 obviously all 1852 01:23:39,719 --> 01:23:43,239 right so that's the billing can go up 1853 01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:46,800 okay so we should probably meet in May 1854 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,199 yeah how about May 7th what have I got 1855 01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,750 something there what have I 1856 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,199 got how about you 1857 01:23:56,199 --> 01:23:58,840 what how about if we I've got a doctor's 1858 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,520 appointment and I'm not sure what that 1859 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,000 means right now okay how about how about 1860 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,360 uh May 14th that's okay with me how 1861 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,320 about you pass May 14th 1862 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,360 yeah yeah you okay okay so May 1863 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,000 14 1864 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,990 yeah 1865 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,239 great okay okay so we'll get that same 1866 01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,199 time same channel yes same time same 1867 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,880 channel yep and you're all welcome right 1868 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,480 and we might bring chocolates next 1869 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:35,320 time yeah okay oh um yes um I'd like to 1870 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,400 make a motion to adjourn I second that 1871 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,639 okay all in favor I again thank you all 1872 01:24:41,639 --> 01:24:44,000 thank you