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Good. Thank you. And and just for
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it go onto
the doesn't go to the YouTube, does it?

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Goes on to where would where would
>> we use it? You've been you've mainly

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been using these to transcribe for your
minutes. So, did y'all take minutes at

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your last meeting in March? So I don't
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» I don't see it in SharePoint.
>> Well, I sent them to

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» Who did you send them to?
>> No. Rene Ronald, she has both sets in

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February and March.

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» But
if somebody wanted to listen to the

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meeting,
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» this does not
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[clears throat] a YouTube channel. I
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think y'all have a channel we can upload
anything that's recorded.

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» Um, yeah, because I was just if people
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interested and if they want access to
what we talk about and we're not

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» whatever y'all want to do, just say and
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» because I know it's too expensive to
have Jeff do the YouTube. I understand.

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» Well, we're not we're not going to
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» right?
>> That that is expensive.

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But to have the recording, how do we get
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» What's here? And then it just gets
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» Uploaded where?
>> To YouTube.

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» To your YouTube channel, I think is what
you're asking.

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» Boom. I I guess who? Right now, it is on
my device. So, I will be uploading it.

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If I'm not able to be here and y'all
operate the get downloaded onto your

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device, you can just put it into
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» Okay. Okay.
>> And then we'll get it up to YouTube.

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» And then the It would go to the town's
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» Yeah.
>> Well, the town's YouTube with y'all's

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channel.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» All right.
>> Sorry, I clicked an exit button.

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Yeah. No. Um, Ramada said January and
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February minutes were approved March
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» No, because we have not approved them
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» Right. Okay. Did you send them to her?
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amendments.
I'll follow up with her to see what

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let me see.
>> Yeah, I haven't posted them yet because

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typically we post them once they've been
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those March 17th minutes
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draft form will go to SharePoint
and then from SharePoint then we approve

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them And then they go on to
the page pathways page. Okay, perfect.

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The system. Yep.

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[clears throat] Okay.

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» So, want to talk about Warrington
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» Yeah. Give us an update. Did the letter
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» Letter went out. Uh, everybody down
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feedback from a few of the land owners.
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works has field in a few phone calls.
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this month, middle of this month to late
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So, in the next few weeks, they should
be starting. They're already dropping

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some stuff off down there
for a landing for their project.

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And then Mike Mike uh Mike and I had a
quick chat. He couldn't be here today.

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He's he's been running too hard, but
he's uh estimating the painting that you

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all wanted to know would cost to be
around 7 to 10,000. That's based on

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prior numbers. And then the stenciling,
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have an idea for that. And signage is
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concerned with. Were the calls that came
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positive? Were they negative?
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couple people called in concerned with
the uh storm water and where that's

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going to be going. Concerned that's
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end. So, we're looking at that.

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I noticed that the letter also had the
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like that said it wasn't the road wasn't
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getting widened
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where the sidewalk currently is. It's
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have the right way. They can go wider
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staying.
>> So they eat it into people's lawns is

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not
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don't know if it's part of the grading
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like himself.
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» the sidewalk doesn't go all the way to
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» but beyond that might be beyond the
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» maybe.
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» Did y'all Did y'all read the design?
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y'all read the uh
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this is getting widened? You know what I
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say, you know, widened by 3 ft or I just
know if I were a homeowner down there,

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I' I would want to know if somebody's
eating into where I planted daffodils or

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whatever.

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not to
there. There's a tree that I love in my

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yard and it's not in Rockport and I
don't want the town to cut it down, but

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they have every right to if they choose
to because it's within me. That's just

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the thing that I have to deal with
whenever that comes.

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» Yeah, I get that. I mean, we we had a
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years ago
and that, you know, all of that stuff,

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it all matters.
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Sometimes they do like a silhouette
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» So where it says paved walk, that's the
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» That's the existing sidewalk. Yeah.
>> And how far?

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I don't I don't have that on here.
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go down this way?

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And that's the big project area right
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» The whole thing's a big project area.
>> The drainage right there. That's

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» Well, this dotted line.
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» Is the drainage plan
all the way up

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to here.
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So then that that is going to I mean
whether they regrade or not they do have

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to dig up into
people's

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» in the down right of way. Yes,
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oh [clears throat] this is saying sorry.
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have concerns or not but
>> [clears throat]

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» You guys have the town has received
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» Yes. Uh there have been a couple in in
this vicinity where the storm drainage

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area is
>> that have called with concerns of wash

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out. So they are looking at that area a
little better. So [clears throat] to

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kind of drive the point home with like
the complete streets policy and like

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future projects like hopefully we'll be
at the front end of this like hey we're

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going to be coming in the area. We need
to know all the concerns we're going to

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look at long laundry list of stuff.
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» I can guarantee you until we have
something on paper and drawing, no one's

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good. So there's an issue. So we'll try
to, you know, move that project forward

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a little bit with future projects.
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» You have any help if I read out
something from the Carly Dorski

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contract thing that's put out there.
>> Yeah.

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» Manual.
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» Go for it. Um,
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not limited to replacement of existing
storm drains and catch basins, drainage

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improvements, removal of the sidewalk,
installation of back curb, grading

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lawns, driveway and walkways as needed,
and repaving the disturbed areas and

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driveway aprons in addition to all other
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box uh base shoulder construction all
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shoulder from approximately station 615
to so that's the length but this work

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includes box cutting the existing
shoulder and lawn area relocation of

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mailboxes for USPS requirements and
adjusting the grades of lawn areas

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walkways and driveways to accommodate
the shoulder widening and applying fog

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lines as needed and specific plans in
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That's as far as that.
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» at least
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streets kind of pieces, but that's
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rescue.
>> No, that was a part of the bid process.

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» That was that was that was all started
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be with the policy. So again, we're
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we're applying it to the best we can
just to kind of understand a little

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better.
>> I am curious to know if anybody's

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opposed to removing the sidewalk is
opposed to it removing the sidewalk.

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» There's a budget committee meeting.
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like why why tear it up all that? But
then it was explained the needs drainage

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and all that stuff and like
>> Oh, with my Yeah.

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» Well, the sidewalk so deteriorated.
>> Yeah.

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» It's also sidewalk to nowhere.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Do Do you live on street?

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» Yes, I do.

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» What's that? Do you want to come to the
table and talk about it or

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» excuse Michael
and just introduce yourself for the My

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name is Ethan Jones 39
and I'm very concerned about this

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project many

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» our focus is on the sidewalk parts of
the path.

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» Okay. Yeah, that's an art. That's the
only thing we have any Well, okay. We

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don't do anything. We just recommend.
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So, with respect to what you mentioned,
sidewalk,

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um, well, the back trace once I heard
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it, I began inquiring.
That's been very difficult to ascertain

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information. And the sidewalk has been
referred to as a sidewalk repair.

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That's not accurate. There is the
sidewalk is going to be destroyed.

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[clears throat] It's going to be removed
>> and will not be replaced.

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And in its place, from what I
understand, do a lot of diligent work on

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my part, there'll be a five- foot wide
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from Warrington Street and Highway One
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There will be no
curbing

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as in a typical sidewalk. So in other
words, pedestrians,

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people pushing strollers, bicyclists
will be at the same level as vehicles

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traversing or in the street and 70,000
lb trucks headed to war uh Samet where

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the speed limit is 35 miles an hour and
vehicles often exceed that.

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Have you been to Warrington Street? Oh
yes. So, you may recall the sightelines

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are limited
and there are hills and valleys

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where there's no
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You can't tell if a vehicle is headed
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There's often
little groups of uh kitties from the

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Riley school who walk down to
the lack of better way the beach access

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point and they're walking along Martin
vehicles going 35 miles an hour each way

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and from what I understand

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this is supposed to enhance safety
and access to an inherently unsafe

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the same level the pathway the street I
think is pretty much insane you know

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that vehicles slipping by
I'm very concerned about that

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and I think the city's going to be
exposed to extreme liability when not it

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but when there's a very tragic accident
particularly since every day spring

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summer and most of the
There are people that park in the white

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out next to the pump station. They cross
the street and go down into code.

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According to the information that I've
been able to ascertain,

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including my u conversation with Mike
Young yesterday,

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where they park now
is going to be a pathway with no

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parking. Right.
Well, the goal of the Pathways Committee

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charter is to facilitate and deal with
parking issues. So, for all these people

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that have been parking there for the
last 20 or 30 years,

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who go to the beach every day, like I
said, where are they supposed to park?

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Mr. Young had no idea.
I think that's shortsighted. that part

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of our original discussion. We never I
never knew that people parked there and

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go down to the and so or what I'm going
to be doing is I'm going to be video

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videoing from my lawn the trucks and the
cars and the people that are crossing

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Warrington Street to go down and they're
families little kitties

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little buckets you know to go like
>> is there a public access right there

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» uh unofficially and this is I'm not on
that land But from what I understand,

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it's not public access. It's privately
owned by the

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by the resident. [clears throat]
Uh, let me It's privately owned and I'm

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not sure if it's a certain resident or
the other one, but it's one of the other

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addresses memorized, but from what I
know, that's been used as a public

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access for ever. you talk to the people
that live there and there's several that

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that have been there for a long time,
you know, like decades.

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Um, and no one seems to have any problem
with it. And in fact, on that point

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where the roaded

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intersects the slope to claim Cove where
the people traverse down the beach, it's

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eroded.
It constantly erodess. And right now,

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it's present condition. It's eroded to
the roaded itself. And there's a drop

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down of about maybe 18 inches.
To me, that says instability.

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And I talked to M about that and he said
that they may have to rip wrap it or

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something like this. But that's what
they're fixing, right? Is what you're

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talking about is the drainage where it's
eroding. The point is to fix right there

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because that's where the drain it's it's
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» it's not right there.
>> That's right. The drainage uh

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it's um adjacent to it's at the lowest
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That's the culvert. I don't know if
that's what you meant. The culvert

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that's where it's getting fixed. So
right there.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> This is the cover. There's the pump

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station here. Oh,
>> okay. So where the blue is the covert?

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Mhm.
>> So they go between the Dixon and the

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Person. People go between the Person and
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» Zoom in a little bit.
>> See

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moved residence. I'm not sure.
>> This is a cover. I think you're

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» Oh, yeah. That that's the covert. And
then right to the left of the culvert,

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there's a wide out on the land side
where that's where the people park and

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that's going to be eliminated.
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» on the water side or on the pump station
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» Pump station side.
>> Okay. That's up here.

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» Oh, okay. Pump st. Okay. It's hard for
me to determine what where it is.

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» Well, there's the cove at the top of the
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right? Route one is to the left,
>> right? And so that blue dotted line, is

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that the culvert? The big
>> this right here,

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» the puck thing.
>> This is the big culvert.

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» Okay. So right to the left of that
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» Yeah. Right over there. That's sort of
the wide out [clears throat]

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» where people park. And then to the left
uh sort of in that vicinity on the other

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side that sort of on the other side of
the warrant and toward the cove.

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» Mhm.
>> That's where the people walk down.

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» Mhm. Yeah.
said there was going to be some parking

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by the pump station.
>> Did we talk about that? I don't

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remember.
>> That's where it is now. According to

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this information, that's where the
that's where the pathway is going to be

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as specific.
>> Well, the pathway will go across, but

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that there was going to be parking by
the pump station. So, you could go in

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and you wouldn't park on the path. You
would park sort of I thought you'd have

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to I mean, the people have to go do work
at the pump station, right?

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» Well, there's going to be
>> Yeah. So that will be an a pump state a

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parking space
>> one.

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» Well do the
>> but I don't know just the quantity.

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» So Ethan are you in favor then of of the
sidewalk continuing the sidewalk? I

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would rather have a sidewalk instead of
as well.

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» Yeah. Another sort of area of concern.
But before if I may if we get to that

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just sort of finish up this little mini
topic. So here's the covert if I

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understand correct. Right.
>> Yes. Mhm.

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» All right. So,
uh, can you, uh, raise it up a little

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bit this way,
the whole graphic up a little bit? Other

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way.
>> To this one. [clears throat]

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» Let's see.
>> Oh, yeah. All right. So,

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[clears throat]
looking for basically my house. So, it's

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» Oh, your house.
>> It's uh, okay. 39.

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All right. So the pathway that people go
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right here.
>> Okay.

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» People park and Okay. So the covert is
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the pump station is sort of right here
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» this is a pretty big drawing.
>> Okay.

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» Looks like the gravel.
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to the right over there somewhere is the
pump station and the warrant and soda

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goes down and at the lowest level of
course that's that's where the um

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culvert is and then above the culvert
here is a wide out where people park.

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It's sort of eroding but that's just the
way it's been for you know that's the

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way it is. And then but right next to
the pump station there is a gravel area

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that is for the technicians who service
the pump station. It's not public. I'm

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gonna pull up a Google Earth image for
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» Oh, there's the spacecraft. [laughter]

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It's a good one.
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Coming home.

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Oh, no. Sorry.

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Yeah, it's getting it's pretty cool.

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So, okay, this pump
>> station's right here. This is that white

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out that you're talking about.
>> Okay. Where's the pump station? Here.

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» It's right here.
>> Okay. So, right here is the gravel for

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the technicians for the pump station.
It's not public parking.

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» And then the wide out is sort of here.
It's not It's not like an official wide

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out. It's just sort of, you know, just
the way it is. just and then the pathway

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to the beach is sort of right Yeah.
right in that vicinity. So people bark

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and they take the little kiddies and
there's some seniors by the way too and

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they'll walk across and do the stuff in
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and it's here just
>> Oh sure they can.

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» Oh that's great.
So there he there's his pathway

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» and presently I mean like literally
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» um
>> yeah this is all the way to the road

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bit. See this initation it's washed out
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it washed it out again.
>> That's the

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» Oh yeah. So oh boy a lot of folc
encourage people to go over to the park

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instead of parking there and get some
steps down to beach.

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» But the uh that is private property. No,
the park over around the corner

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» she's talking about over here.
>> Oh, the uh

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» street.
>> So, I don't know.

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» So, that would eliminate that.
>> Yeah, if they're it's a little, you

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know,
I don't know. A lot of people are

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probably not really going to walk want
to walk that, but I guess if that's the

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only choice, right? To give you some
background, the pathways committee's

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focus is to look at alternatives to
roads. It's not about parking. It's

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about safe walking bicycling pathways.
And so part of this project started

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because we know a lot of people walk the
route and it's not just, you know, going

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to the beach. We know people will walk
more intentionally. they'll go, you

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know, um and in fact that whole circle
and knowing um and there have been

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conversations years in the past that
Samet also had some interest. So we're

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really looking at this is kind of phase
one and we would bring it all the way

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around to Samet and then hoping that
Rockland would pick up and do their part

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over on the other road.
>> Yeah. and and you know, parking is

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definitely an issue, but thinking about
how do we do pathways

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that can be maintained and upkeep and
maint and made safe and you know, your

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concerns are, you know, are the same
ones that we've been airing. Um

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but then we're at the point of like
we we've been looking all over the

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country to see how they are doing this
and and so there is not precedent in the

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Mid Coast but there's definitely
precedent across the country that having

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pathways that are the same level as
roads um is very typical and and they

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can be safe. Um I'm more you know some
of the things you said is like you know

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can we lower the speed limit? Can we do
you know some other things you know to

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that kind of work into that as well. We
also know when roads are a little

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narrower people go slower. Um, so
there's a lot of things like we need to

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talk about, but I think at the end of
the day, if if there was a way to

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think about
our understanding that safety is key and

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if we can think about, you know, is
there a way to put a few parking spots

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over by the pump station and some of
those, would that alleviate some of your

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concerns or
>> Well, I understand everything that you

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said and I value it and you know,
Parking is not a concern for me because

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I live there, but I observe it.
>> Sure. [clears throat]

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» And I'm talking human behavior here. And
they do this literally every day,

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spring, summer, and most of the fall.
And sometimes there's up to four

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vehicles that hold little wide out
>> and they cross warrant, which is itself

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dangerous because there's no crosswalk.
And like I said, uh if you go to the

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Google map thing, the road sort of goes
like this. So at the that at the bottom

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point is where the people cross and
that's where neither the approaching

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driver from highway one or the people on
warranton they they can't see each other

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because there's a valve.
So that's to me is inherently unsafe.

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Now as you brought up and as you brought
up what right [laughter] now phase one

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is a pathway to nowhere. It's a pathway
to the pump station.

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I talked to Mr. Young about that
and as you indicated, you know, it's

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sort of a

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a faroff dream or project, however you
want to call it, to connect that to

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Samet.
Now, the

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pathway presently
is on the

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I don't know like the land side of war.
The pump station's

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got a cross. The Samets's on the other
side is straight.

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» M. Young didn't really know where that
was going to be. He did s say that

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they're going to perhaps try to get an
an ease

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from the
>> this one

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» from the people who own that huge plot
of land. So that pathways on the other

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side of their
>> on the other side of the trees.

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» Yes. The trees.
>> So I don't know. I mean, how easy that's

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going to be. Land owners may not want to
be doing that.

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» That corner is, as you know, dangerous.
Walking on it constantly.

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» Yeah, that corner right right in the
middle of the road.

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» I think is that
>> my truck drivers are always keeping a

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lap out when they go because it's
there's always somebody standing in the

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middle road.
>> Yeah. Well, like you said, it's a lot of

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walkers and stuff including me.
>> Yeah.

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» Now, that's east eastward is a Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, that corner is like

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essentially one corner, too. And we had,
you know, we've looked at that and of

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course we would like push forward to
raise a sidewalk as well, but as our

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meeting earlier in the winter was just
no money for,

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» well, that's what Mike Young said, you
know, and you just said the cost of

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putting a traditional
>> unfortunately, you know, we haven't we

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haven't identified any grants,
>> right,

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» do those.
>> Well, you know, so

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» yeah, some of our other projects will be
able to get grant money to make this.

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» Unfortunately, this one we haven't been
able to identify.

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» I don't know that we've had any. I don't
I don't there's no grants for sidewalks.

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» Not in this case, but
>> yeah.

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» And along this stretch, if there were to
be the raised sidewalk,

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» then we would also need space for
bicycle riders cuz bike riders won't be

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on the sidewalks.
>> Well, so that would mean widening

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the road even further into people's
land. So, the mixed use pathway is a

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good solution.
>> Yeah. Well, and then my property is

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affected.
>> Oh, as well as every one of my

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neighbors. I talked to them yesterday.
They were furious.

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» They had no knowledge that the land was
going to be taken. Okay.

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Which part are they upset about?
>> Yeah. What are they

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the old sideway?
>> No one has informed them of anything.

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Okay. And
no one is disputing the town's authority

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to go ahead and take their land. Okay.
But have a little courtesy. Maybe maybe

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inform the people that pay the taxes of
this town. Let them know that you're

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going to be moving their sidewalk.
You'll be cutting into their lawn. And

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there's no indication of the schedule
because they're going to be doing a lot

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of work on storm. Nothing. No
communication except a letter that I got

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yesterday
from public works and a visit. I'm sure

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the town spatched him to my residents to
try to modify me.

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» So there is a concern by the residents
that of ripping up the sidewalk itself.

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Would

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the Do people want it repaired? Is that
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haven't even had a chance to think about
it

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» to digest it. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?

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» Yeah, I do.
>> I mean, I've been trying to figure this

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out for weeks. Yeah.
>> And they just found out about it

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yesterday
>> and they weren't too happy, I have to

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say.
>> And and and the plans aren't all aren't

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[clears throat] finalized yet. So, we're
spell

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that's different. Well, that's a part of
the confusion. I'm

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the uh this Okay. So, last summer the
survey people um I don't know company

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that they were out there surveying
warrant

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» probably.
Yeah, probably. So, and so myself, other

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neighbors asked him, you know, what's
going on? And they said, well, they said

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some maybe something with a sidewalk.
And that's pretty much all they said.

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And that's fine. I mean, it's like their
job to eat. Actually, they don't even

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probably nothing. They just jobs to
service that one. That was last summer.

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Okay. I called public works last summer
after I talked to the survey people and

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asked them. They said that, you know,
just something out into the future and I

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requested that they call me when they
found out. Never got a call. My

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neighbor, same thing. Found out doctor
yesterday. She called. They never They

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said they call her back. They never
called her back.

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» Who was that? Felicia.
>> Was that your neighbor?

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» I No, it was Linda. U 4143.
>> Yeah. case

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» and um you know she's been there I don't
know how long but probably you know

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decades and decades you know and anyway
so

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my question is sort of
so you know uh Mr. Young referred to the

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he said they haven't you y'all haven't
really decided on the there might be

425
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:12,480
sheros or you know or and he said
there's going to be probably no parking

426
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:16,360
signs at the pathway that we've been
talking about. So

427
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,679
but the back of my you know this been in
the works since last summer you know

428
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:27,840
because they have survey people out
there. They don't send survey people out

429
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:33,279
there for no reason.
And the pathways committee, y'all in one

430
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:39,039
form or another have been mentioning
Warrington Street for months

431
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:43,519
and um why you why are you doing this? I
mean, aren't there other streets that

432
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:47,840
are better suited?
>> That's not how it works for us. I take

433
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,640
advantage of they're be working on the
street. We take advantage of the

434
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,320
opportunity while they're
>> Yeah.

435
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,360
» working that we don't have to come in
later and redo work. That's

436
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,360
» Well, that's what you know, Mr. young
sort of, you know, obviously everyone

437
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,080
wants things to be done efficiently as
possible,

438
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,480
» you know, but if if the goal doesn't
make sense, it's

439
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:11,119
» so to give you a little history, you
know, when they redid Park Street, you

440
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,079
know, by go um Goose River Golf
and they repaint they they kind of

441
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:17,760
rebuilt everything
>> between Rockport and Camden

442
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:21,760
» between Rockport and Camden.
>> You know, Simon Corner, Cart Street goes

443
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:26,960
over to Camden.
It's probably going to matter. It's the

444
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,960
back way to get into Camden. Oh. Uh,
okay.

445
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:31,679
» And you go by the golf course.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

446
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:38,320
» So, I
>> So, that road when they redid it, it was

447
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:44,079
done without thinking at all about the
people that walk it and bike it. And so,

448
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:51,280
it's still a narrow road with no
shoulders and kind of dangerous. And so

449
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:59,359
out of that came our focus on creating a
complete streets kind of policy which is

450
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:08,720
where anytime the town is going to redo
roads that there would be this chance

451
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:15,359
for us to think about how that road can
better be um you know m uh

452
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:19,040
» designed and utilized will accommodate
pedestrians and bikers as opposed to

453
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:24,000
just trucks and cars.
>> Well, that's great because I've done a I

454
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,440
bike and I have walked a lot and I I
know [laughter] pretty much you think.

455
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:34,640
» So, this came up because of the fact
that they're redoing the drainage and so

456
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:41,280
now it's becoming like a chance for us
to rethink how is that knowing that it's

457
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:45,680
a heavily used road for pedestrians and
bikers. Like, how do we do this? And we

458
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:50,880
know we can't do it all in one shot and
we can do it, you know, do we start with

459
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:53,599
this piece and we kind of use this as
our um

460
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:59,839
» to test
>> to test both the policy

461
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:05,119
as well as um you know a lot of things.
And so it's creating a whole another

462
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:10,400
layer of communication for Mike to have
to communicate with us. And and this is

463
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:15,920
all new because we're still ironing out
the policy. And so we had a work plan

464
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:22,320
that we would have been talking to all
the neighbors back in January. It just

465
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:26,160
went slower than and it was a very snowy
winter and you know

466
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:30,640
» was still waiting for information.
>> We were still waiting for information.

467
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,800
Well, I I understand, you know, it was
just it takes time,

468
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:38,560
» but to like I could have anticipated
knowing that if you guys are only

469
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,160
finding out about this in April and you
know Brown's going to that there'd be

470
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:47,200
emotions.
>> Well, they have the I don't know what

471
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,640
they're called. Maybe I'll do the
concrete deals that have to do with the

472
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,160
storm water. You know, they're like six
feet tall by four feet wide.

473
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,640
» Oh, the jersey things.
>> No, they weigh about probably five tons

474
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,200
each, you know.
>> Oh, those things. Wow. You know, they're

475
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,280
right next to right for my neighbors
earlier in the White House. They brought

476
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,079
some stuff over.
>> Yeah.

477
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,440
» The catch basins.
>> Sorry.

478
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,880
» The catch basins.
>> Yeah. Okay.

479
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,800
» They've been delivered.
>> So, that indicate that's a good

480
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,320
indication of Mike's focus, which is to
fix that thing.

481
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,720
» Yeah.
>> That's what he's concentrating on. And

482
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:23,280
the road is secondary. If it's, you
know, there's markers on my property.

483
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,200
All my neighbors have markers on our
property. Okay. and the dig state people

484
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:32,079
spray painted our property where the
utilities are. Okay. I mean, so this is

485
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:37,520
happening. He says it's going to be uh
well the letter said mid that is April

486
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:41,839
7th. So I you know it's going to the uh
trucks are going to be there next week I

487
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:45,440
guess you know and like I said we're
just finding out. But I understand your

488
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:49,280
point and I appreciate it because I'
I've been a walker [clears throat] and a

489
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:53,280
biker, you know, for years, you know,
and

490
00:37:50,911 --> 00:37:56,400
[clears throat] it really is um and I I
know I got lights on the bike and

491
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,720
helmets and I really don't want to get
whacked.

492
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,920
» And what I'm hearing from you,
>> just real quick in regards to that

493
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:05,440
notice, you got that notice as fast as
we could actually get it because like we

494
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,960
literally got the information from
Farley on when they're going to do this

495
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,480
like mid April. It's like, okay, we got
to put that in line and then get that

496
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,240
out. Then John was wanting to actually
do one last edit on. I said, "John, I

497
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,640
got to get this in the mail Friday so
that it gets delivered in time." So I

498
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:24,400
mean, I had to kind of go around him.
>> Right. So

499
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:28,800
» that that's one of the pieces here. And
one of the issues that we're trying to

500
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:33,200
work out is this one. We have Warrington
Street project. There's a box that we

501
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:37,280
got to deal with in. So for the future
projects, we're ahead of the game before

502
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:42,720
we actually have a bid out. That's where
we want to be. So this is sort of like

503
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:48,240
the genesis of the deal. So
>> I totally understand the logic and the

504
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:54,000
sense of you know of the complete street
Pauls as you laid it out to only make

505
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:58,640
sense for [clears throat] all sorts of
safety improvement for bikes and that

506
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:03,440
the economy of doing things together
rather than separately and we all know

507
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:08,240
that you know paving and excavation work
is extremely expensive. So, we can't

508
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,359
just do a peace meal. I mean, we all
know we're getting taxed like crazy,

509
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:19,760
but
so what, and correct me if I'm wrong,

510
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:24,079
but what I'm hearing from you is is
safety is probably even more important

511
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,440
to you at this point than the thought
of, you know, and I don't think it would

512
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:32,960
affect you because you have sidewalk in
front, but if the properties, you know,

513
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,960
cut into their wall your their yards a
little closer to the pump station, like

514
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:40,640
that's not your bigger concern. your
bigger concern is like the parking and

515
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:46,720
the safety.
>> Safety has been my concern since I lived

516
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,800
here and ask any of my neighbors. And uh
with respect to the comment about the

517
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:53,359
sidewalk, the sidewalk only goes 150 ft
from

518
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,320
» and I'm I'm way past the sidewalk.
>> Oh, you are okay.

519
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:03,599
» There's no there's no
>> except in the street and uh same with

520
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:08,000
several neighbors down. But
I've been talking to my neighbor for uh

521
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:14,000
nextdoor neighbor who's been on the
planning board in the past about this

522
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:20,240
subject and uh we both agree this you
know it's just an accident waiting to

523
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:26,000
happen and I think more so now because
the project let's let's assume it's all

524
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:31,280
done. It's designed to entice people to
go there. You know, it's all, you know,

525
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:35,359
all redone for pathway. Looks good. It
goes to the pump station ends. Okay.

526
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:38,640
Where do you know where people go then?
>> Well, that Yeah, that's not the goal.

527
00:40:36,628 --> 00:40:41,760
[laughter]
>> But that is the reality.

528
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,143
» Well, that's phase one. Yeah.
>> Absolutely.

529
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:48,160
» And no one knows a
[laughter] who knows when stage. So,

530
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,359
you're going to have people going like,
okay, now what? And with respect to the

531
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:58,880
wide out,
um, he says, my Mr. Young says he wants

532
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,680
the the police department to ticket
people to park there. Okay. Well, I

533
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,599
haven't seen anyone even given a
speeding ticket, let alone a parking

534
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,960
ticket.
>> You just got to look at human nature

535
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:15,119
here. In regards to what you're saying
about that, we had the opportunity up

536
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:19,599
here at the intersection of Route 91 a
few years ago for at the cross where

537
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:22,720
markets used to be.
>> Yeah.

538
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:25,040
» There was no crossing.
>> No crossing.

539
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:27,920
» No crossing. Wow.
>> And they were redoing the intersection.

540
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:32,640
» Yeah.
>> And that sidewalk comes up and ended

541
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:37,440
right there. But and on the other side
there's no sidewalk. So we had to but

542
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,800
they were redoing all the wiring. They
doing all the grading. They were doing

543
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,280
everything. And we were able to put a
landing spot on the other side and put a

544
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,240
crossing signal in there. And now we're
going to be able to connect to the next

545
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,599
phase when that comes up which is
connecting for the high school.

546
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,880
» Okay. As well as the new park that will
be soon the park.

547
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:58,079
» But to go back now to try and put that
crosswalk in after we've already done

548
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,640
» Yeah.
>> would have been hundreds of thousands.

549
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,119
» Yeah. It's amazing. And it just
>> Yeah. So we try to take advantage of the

550
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,440
when these opportunities present
themselves.

551
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:15,760
» Well, I hear that and if I was in your
position, I would definitely consider

552
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:19,839
it. But I I exists.
I think it creates I think it creates

553
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:26,960
more problems than solves.
>> Do you object to a pathways there? Would

554
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,440
you would you just rather have the road
there like just just lines fog lines on

555
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:33,760
the road? Is that
>> well

556
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:39,040
» ideally what you'd rather see? you know,
since I well, I've been contemplating

557
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:43,839
that very, you know, imagining the
pathway versus not.

558
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:48,800
» And I've been trying to get to the point
where the pathway is acceptable in my

559
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:55,280
own rationale.
>> And um

560
00:42:52,640 --> 00:43:01,680
I think it I've made the determination
in my own analysis that it would make it

561
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:06,079
less safe.
It's the same level. There's no curb. It

562
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:09,599
it ends. Where are people going to go?
>> Can I can we show you a couple of the

563
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:16,240
things that we've been looking at that
um

564
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:19,280
you know, so this is an example of
something along the lines

565
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,440
» the green is the pathway.
>> The green is the pathway.

566
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,319
» Now I've also done research like there's
a there's a space between the pathway

567
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160
and the roadway,
>> right?

568
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,200
» There's no space on warranty.
>> Well, that's what we're hoping to do

569
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:37,599
though. That no but that be the pathway
is going to go right to the rope bed.

570
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:42,640
» So So this this is all level, right?
>> This is just sort of a like a 4ft with a

571
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:46,319
1 and 1/2t or something.
>> So the one and what does that designate?

572
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:50,000
» That's just paint. And
>> what's it supposed to be?

573
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:54,000
» It's just to designate like when you're
a walker or a biker, you stay on the

574
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:58,000
pathway. This is kind of that little
safety shoulder and then if you're

575
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,079
driving, you're not driving onto the
pathway.

576
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:04,240
» Right. Well, there there's no safety
shoulder in this plan on but but this is

577
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,079
what our goal is.
>> Oh, the goal.

578
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,000
» Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, exactly. And I
like I said, I've sort of done a little

579
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:15,119
M dot research on pathways. Yeah, that
all makes sense, but it doesn't that's

580
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:19,200
not happening on war.
>> No, no, it would happen. So, we don't

581
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:23,359
know the painting plan yet
>> exactly what colors. just know how much

582
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,000
space we have to work with and what's
going to be, you know, the pathway and

583
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,400
what's going to be
>> Well, Mike, okay, we were standing on

584
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:35,200
the street again. Now, this is the
street. This is my yard. Here's the edge

585
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:39,280
of the street. He says the pathway is
going to go from right here and it's

586
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:43,599
going to go 5t in.
There's no separation there.

587
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,280
» There's not going to be a grass
separation. No, it's just going to be a

588
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,640
paint separation like you have shown on
that screen. Well, he indicated here's

589
00:44:49,461 --> 00:44:54,880
[clears throat] the here's the edge of
the street and the pathway is going to

590
00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:01,359
be 5 ft in. Now, you made no indication
to me that there's going to be

591
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:06,000
» so from from the edge of the inward. So,
that the second line over all the way to

592
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:10,880
that curb, that is that section that
Mike is referring to. So, within that

593
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:16,319
5T, there's going to be the breakaway
bit that the rest is going to be that

594
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,400
way. We got to discuss the the
lanes because that's not enough space on

595
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,640
the in the pathway
for two bikes to kind of go against each

596
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:26,800
other.
>> So, you're saying that the five feet I

597
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,880
think we agree on that, right?
>> Uh

598
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:35,520
» is going to be Oh,
>> touch the mouse. Touch the mouse.

599
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:39,440
» So, the five feet is going to be sort of
subdivided into having

600
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:43,119
» Yeah. So, so for example, right there,
the the green is three and then that

601
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:47,119
white that that white line there will be
two in this example right there. And

602
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,680
what we're trying to work with on Mike
is to get the lanes narrowed. So, we can

603
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,040
take that three and two and be more of
like a four or five and then two,

604
00:45:54,306 --> 00:45:58,079
[clears throat] something of that
nature.

605
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:03,119
» So, narrow the the vehicular lanes.
>> So, that helps explode the traffic as

606
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,079
well. At least in theory.
>> It's actually proven.

607
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,280
» Well, tell that that the people get
killed. And theoretically, it should

608
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:13,280
have been safe. Hey, you know.
>> Well, no, but it is

609
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:17,440
» you can't see the traffic.
>> The vehicles can't see the pedestrians.

610
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:21,280
The pedestrians can't see. Well, we've
got we've got a history in this town of

611
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,040
non- enforcement.
>> Right. So that's what I would I would

612
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:29,119
ask that now that we have a fully
staffed well we will have a fully st

613
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:33,280
that you know we do insist on a little
bit more enforcement or a lot more

614
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,680
enforcement to go along with what we're
trying to do because you know Park

615
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Street that's first and foremost in
terms of the safety. I understand

616
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:47,520
Warrington too but we just have people
crazy drivers. Pasco is 30 m an hour and

617
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,680
that's like totally straight compared to
warrant and you can see down here this

618
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,599
is 35 miles an hour and there is no
sight line

619
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,680
» maybe with a narrow road it's going to
it would um go hand in hand with a

620
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,480
slower
>> well that's the theory I've read about

621
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,520
the slowing effect whatever um I've also
seen I mean there's 18 legos coming down

622
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,720
here
>> but this is a town road like Orion can

623
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,599
maybe we
>> I'm trying to remember right now on how

624
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,560
we can reduce the speed limit right now.
>> There's a way we can look at

625
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,160
» my town wants to reduce the speed limit
on my rural road. What action do I have

626
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:26,079
to undertake to reduce the speed limit
on my main non-main designated speed

627
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,640
limit road?
>> We we've got an internal procedure on

628
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,160
how that's done and I think it's done
with the police department, but we have

629
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,839
to dig into that. I don't have that
information off the top of my head,

630
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,720
» but you know, I did look into that.
somewhere in the plan said specifically,

631
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:43,680
you know, they're gonna Oh, traffic
calming, right?

632
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,160
» So, they're gonna rely on that and
they're not gonna reduce speed. That's

633
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,599
what it said.
>> Yeah.

634
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:52,800
» So,
>> I think the other piece to think about

635
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:57,359
is like um you know that little pathway
that people have typically gone down and

636
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:04,079
and is there a way maybe out of Glen
Cove that a path down to the beach could

637
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:08,000
be had as a
>> that's public access over there,

638
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:11,760
» right? be way more parking, way more
safer parking over there.

639
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:16,640
» So, access Gleno from that little strip,
the parking area. Yeah, that I mean, if

640
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,119
that's public property, you know, it's
town own property.

641
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,040
» Sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
>> Yeah.

642
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:23,839
» I mean, they got the park in there. I
mean, people already,

643
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,960
» you know, might need to a stairway and
definitely through some shrubbery.

644
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:33,920
» Then you get shoreland zoning perhaps
issues and disturbing vegetation.

645
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:38,720
» They can get in there with a staircase.
and it's been talked about. We just

646
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:40,880
haven't had the the um we haven't come
to the select board and said, "Let's do

647
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,400
it."
>> Make a mental note of it because we

648
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:47,280
actually have a plan that the town paid
for a long time ago for that.

649
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:53,440
» Oh, do we?
>> Yeah. ever came home.

650
00:48:50,319 --> 00:49:01,040
» And I'm sort of surprised that the
people that own that strip of land where

651
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:04,640
people um access where
>> I would be surprised they could even buy

652
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:09,599
homeowners insurance because man once
you know it's not a it's not stairways

653
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,319
it's sort of craggly little deal someone
falls and you know hurts themselves. Oh

654
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,079
my god.
>> Help eliminate the parking there so

655
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:20,800
people won't be as inclined to do it.
And if we something in Glen Co that just

656
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,680
relocates the people to a much more
suitable location

657
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:28,880
» and safer as we know they're trying to
get people to relocate this place.

658
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:31,920
» But if there's there's four or five
shoot them alone,

659
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:34,559
» but the thing is if it's easy easier
access.

660
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,920
» Well, if there's an alternative. Yeah.
Yeah.

661
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,480
» Because like I said, people can go there
for decades, you know. That's what they

662
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:43,520
do. They bring their family
>> there facilities there. There's

663
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,280
» tables and stuff. Yeah.
So in in the sake of time I do want to

664
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,240
go over the capital program projects but
I also don't want to diminish anything

665
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,960
else you know.
>> Well first of all thank you very much

666
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:58,640
for the opportunity
>> the feedback and hope it has some sort

667
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:01,760
of uh activity for you reinforce our own
beliefs.

668
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,400
» Yeah and and it it we do appreciate your
you know you coming and talking about it

669
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,880
because
>> we did want to have a meeting and um we

670
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:11,680
just couldn't go we didn't have enough
information and here we are in April.

671
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,319
So,
>> well, the homeowners

672
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:19,200
» sorry that that it happened this way.
>> Well, the neighbors that I talked to one

673
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:22,480
that's here, you know, and but the ones
that I talked to, uh, you know, they're

674
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,079
not very happy, you know. So, if you're
interested in try to keep good relations

675
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:30,480
with the residents of this town, you
might consider putting something in the

676
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:33,680
mail beyond the beyond this is what
we're going to do.

677
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:39,720
» Explain what you did.
>> Does this feel different than when you

678
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,720
came in?

679
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:48,000
It does have to have any feedback.
>> Yeah, sure. And uh if you haven't been

680
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,040
to Warren in a while, see, you know, now
it's not really represented. It's winter

681
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,720
time, so you know, the pedestrian
traffic's down. The vehicular traffic is

682
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:59,040
down. Soon as you get the warmer
weather, you know, they can walk down.

683
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:04,079
You'll see what I mean.
And uh I think I I think you will agree

684
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:11,359
that
the complete street policy

685
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:17,440
is not a very good fit as it exists
for or warranted street per se

686
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:21,200
» the way it's perceived maybe.
>> Well, it is. I just think I think it's

687
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:25,280
going to be less safe. I mean,
>> okay. So I I don't want you to have the

688
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:30,160
takeaway that the complete streets
policy is

689
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,760
um I guess that this warranted street is
the product of the complete streets

690
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:37,599
policy because it was not the warranted
street is pretty much already done

691
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,359
included in the budget process was on
its way and in that process the complete

692
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:46,240
streets policy was formed you know it
was being tried to be applied so it it's

693
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,359
not a true reflection of it
>> but aspects of it are

694
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,160
» aspects of it are and pretty much is the
paint of what we can operate with within

695
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,480
balance. So,
>> you know, [clears throat] taking 5T of

696
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,480
people's property, that's not repaving.
>> I would say we're we're not taking

697
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,920
anybody's property or operating within
the right of way.

698
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:07,599
» Okay. Well, using whatever verb you wish
that people are going to lose their

699
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:11,359
access to what they have been perceiving
to be their property for, you know, 50

700
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,079
years, what they've been mowing, you
know.

701
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,720
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

702
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:18,079
» So, yeah, no one's arguing the you know,
the city has the absolute authority to

703
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,440
come in there with a bulldozer. Okay. No
one's arguing that. But have a little

704
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:25,359
courtesy, a little respect. Yeah. You
know, explain the situation that's going

705
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,160
on. Why their mailbox is getting moved?
You know, you know, what's with this

706
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:31,200
pathway? No one knows anything about
this. How come the sidewalks getting

707
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:35,359
removed? You know, Dr. Guy yesterday
said, "No, no, I'm not going to take out

708
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:38,319
the sidewalk." I said, "Yes, they are."
>> You know, and he's been there for he's

709
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,160
been on every committee in this town
over the years.

710
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,160
» Who is that?
>> I'd rather not say cuz I have a feeling

711
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:47,040
you wouldn't want me to say cuz he's had
enough.

712
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:50,480
» He's been there, done that. But he has a
piece of sidewalk in front of him. It's

713
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,800
not. No, he does not. But he's on the
other side of the street.

714
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,400
» Oh, he's on the other side. Okay.
>> But he's you know, he knows all about

715
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,200
» Yeah. I didn't think that it was getting
widening widened on the other side.

716
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:08,240
» It's not not It's not getting Well,
according to Mr. Young, um it's not

717
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:12,319
getting widened on the cove side.
>> It's the other side

718
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:15,200
» where the where the sidewalk
>> Yes.

719
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,240
» would [clears throat] continue.
>> The drainage is going.

720
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:22,880
» Yeah. uh where the drainage is going.
Okay, that's so all that's you know

721
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:29,440
that's not that's not routine paving.
That's a new project. It is it isn't and

722
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:33,520
it's not on the project page and an
informed

723
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,520
uh planning commission or department
that I think it should and it's never

724
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:40,480
been I've checked a thousand times and
it's never been trying to get

725
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,599
information about this has been like
nearly impossible

726
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,920
» on the on the project page
>> on the town project.

727
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:51,760
» Yeah. And
just just for clarity, I want to look at

728
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:56,119
this just so I'm understanding you're
talking about here this project page.

729
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:02,960
» Yeah, that's it, right?
>> Yeah. So, these are all like planning

730
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,240
projects that that's what this has been
used for. This is the thing that I

731
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,240
started with the commentator. I don't
disagree with you. If there's a new

732
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,760
project, we should probably have it on
project page. But when it comes to

733
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,880
capital improvement stuff, I don't know
how that translates to the website,

734
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,720
especially when it's public works,
that's like a public work domain within.

735
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,000
» Well, that sort of gets into the weeds,
you know, beyond my kids.

736
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,920
» To your point though, of neighbors being
notified like like I think any projects

737
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,640
going on within the area, the neighbor
should be notified so they're aware and

738
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:35,920
informed
>> and and I think they should be formed

739
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:38,720
just if it was just the storm drainage.
this going to, you know, I don't know

740
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,559
how long this project's going to take.
This tree's got to be ripped up.

741
00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:43,680
[clears throat]
>> You know, we know it's a schedule, blah,

742
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:48,000
blah, blah.
>> Which you would think would be a routine

743
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,599
thing, right? But the pathway part, you
know, that we've all been talking about

744
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,839
it's not that's not routine. That's
that's an that's a new project.

745
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:59,680
» And again, you know, people, you know,
they lived here and, you know, they're a

746
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,559
little they feel like they're getting a
little bit short shift here to be polite

747
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:05,920
about.
>> Yeah. It's a shock. I get it. It's Yeah.

748
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,839
So,
>> I'm sorry. Thank you,

749
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,240
» but I understand all your points and I,
you know, support the whole complete

750
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:18,160
streets thing because if it's if it's
affordable because of there's no

751
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,240
» The hope is in [clears throat] a couple
years we see this nice pathway that goes

752
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:27,040
all the way around. There'll be a
crossing in some visible area. They're

753
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:31,599
no longer needing to go to the beach
there. they go from Glen Cove and and

754
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:35,440
it's safer,
>> you know, that people are walking in a

755
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:41,280
designated place rather than on the side
of the road and maybe the the speed

756
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:43,920
limits reduced and I'd suggest maybe
reaching out to the property owner of

757
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,520
that path.
>> Yeah.

758
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:51,520
» You know, he might or she might be
immunable to having some sort of little

759
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:55,839
fence barrier just, you know, to say,
"Hey, you know, it's down here now." I

760
00:55:53,760 --> 00:56:01,599
mean, I would if I own I wouldn't want
people walking across my land. They trip

761
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:03,599
and falls. That's You know what?
It's sort of crazy.

762
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:07,839
» Yeah.
>> Well, um, thanks everybody.

763
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:11,599
» Well, don't go and join the committee.
>> Oh, [laughter]

764
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:15,960
» it's good to have your perspective.
>> Oh, sure. And we appreciate that.

765
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:22,160
» But it sounds like it's going to go all
go ahead.

766
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:27,920
Sign, seal, and delivered. the street
the road project is going our pathways

767
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,880
we don't even have it fully developed
yet.

768
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,000
» Yeah.
>> And and what she was talking earlier

769
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:35,520
about we were going to be meeting with
the task people. We had numerous

770
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:39,359
discussions. Okay. Well, where do you
think we need? We really should do

771
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:44,640
something well in advance to complete
for the street pathways project, but

772
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:48,400
we're still on that planning part
>> for Warrington specifically. Well, as

773
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:53,520
far as what we were doing, cuz we came
in late, you know, the the highway crew

774
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:58,960
and all that stuff that public works,
that part they're doing, whether we

775
00:56:56,079 --> 00:57:02,720
wanted to do a pathway or not, we're
trying to improve it [clears throat] and

776
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:07,200
we're coming in late to the game. Yeah.
>> But we had we talked about when can we

777
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,480
get notices out to public because we
want to get their comments and we want

778
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:15,200
to talk to them and actually have
physical inerson meeting possibly the

779
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:19,920
site. that we were working on all that
kind of stuff, but things just got

780
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,400
backed up to the point where this is
going ahead of us.

781
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,240
» Well,
>> otherwise there would have been a lot of

782
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:28,880
good
>> Well, it sounds like the infrastructure

783
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,280
part of it the police policy, you know,
it's signs he'll deliver. It's part of

784
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,760
the project.
>> Well, that's not

785
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,520
you know, he's going to put in the path.
>> Well,

786
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:42,240
» I know that's not
>> whatever they're doing.

787
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,599
» That's not the entire complete street
statement. Not at all.

788
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:51,119
» So Mike was at one meeting, so he's
missed all of our conversations about

789
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:57,040
what potential pathways could be, you
know, like and all that. So I think he's

790
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:01,280
his filter right now is about getting
Metro

791
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:04,799
and
we need to do better at communicating.

792
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,240
That's just the bottom line.
>> I think that's always a good idea. But

793
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:12,640
from my conversation with him yesterday,
he he's certain what he's he's going to

794
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:16,240
be putting in he's going to cutting
cutting five feet into the property.

795
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:21,359
He's going to be putting the path and
you know uh he's not cutting 5t into

796
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,760
propert.
>> He's cutting 5t in in from from the road

797
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:27,520
into
>> so where the

798
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:32,640
» into the ride of way
>> where the existing sidewalk goes. He's

799
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:37,599
not cutting any more
into where the existing sidewalk.

800
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:42,799
» Yeah. But so Ethan who doesn't have
sidewalk is potentially getting 5 ft.

801
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:49,920
» Yeah. And sever most of my neighbors
because the sidewalk only goes like oh I

802
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:55,839
said 150 ft and pump station is 1500 ft.
>> So this would continue that roughly the

803
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:58,880
width of sidewalk would be continued
down to where there is no sidewalk is

804
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,480
what I'm hearing. Well, I think the
sidewalk is not quite five feet, but a

805
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,520
new ballpark.
>> Yeah. And

806
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,040
» make it more uniform.
>> It would be uniform. I could flag it.

807
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,319
» So, he's going to grade it.
>> Before you head out real quick. So, the

808
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,400
capital improvement plan, we got a link
in the in the SharePoint, but it's also

809
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:21,520
on the town website. If you go to
finance, click on finance, you'll go to

810
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,119
capital improvement plan, and then it'll
list all the capital improvement plans.

811
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:32,240
2027 is the capital improvement plan
that I have up. And if we go to page 44,

812
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:37,520
this has our paving schedule. So,
>> year one, that's this upcoming fiscal

813
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:41,920
year. This is the streets that is going
to be looked at. Now, [clears throat]

814
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,119
» what I discussed with Mike, it'd be good
for you all to look at them, but these

815
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,640
are already budgeted for already in that
cycle. So, it's kind of like the

816
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,040
Warrington Street here. That's it. We
can kind of put a gloss over to look at

817
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:56,480
them, give some input. But the big one
that we're really going to be lifting up

818
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,760
is this year 2 paving schedule. This is
the one where we really get to apply

819
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:03,280
that. So we can reach out to the
butters, have those meetings with them,

820
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,720
talk about all the stakeholders that are
involved, who got the time to do it,

821
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:12,240
» and we can have those appropriate
meetings. Um, and really thinking about

822
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:17,920
it the way it should be thought about.
So now within this, these are just in

823
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:21,280
alphabetical order by the way. No line
of importance, but if you want to look

824
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:26,079
at importance, probably go with the
number figure. So the Rockville Street,

825
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:30,240
that one is the most expensive, and then
kind of work backwards from there. Um,

826
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:35,599
and then from that specific one, we got
a mileage bit, but I don't have a start

827
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:40,400
and end. So I was just thinking of that.
>> So at some point, we need like a start

828
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:44,960
and end of what that mile point is for
Mike. So then we'll know that stretch,

829
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,160
how does that look, how does that play
into the other areas and what can be

830
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,040
done.
>> Well, but I I guess I don't understand

831
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:55,520
where do we start? What's next on what
what

832
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,559
» next would be next would be looking at
the year one. Okay. Well, identify

833
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:03,119
those.
>> We won't be doing any one of these, but

834
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:06,880
I I would like every one of them to be
looked at and just to say because it's

835
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,920
like from a painting standpoint or hey,
there's another concern here that we

836
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:13,119
just know that exists. Make sure you put
that into consideration.

837
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:17,359
» So is this just to [clears throat] ask
this warranton street on here which is

838
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:19,440
for fiscal year 27.
>> That's this project.

839
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,520
» Oh that is this project.
>> So this is similar warranty street.

840
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:27,040
These are already budgeted for. They're
going to happen. A lot of them have

841
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,240
already been in the queue for bids. So
we're really just kind of looking at

842
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,960
them from is there a major issue? Is
there something else? Is it just

843
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:37,119
painting? Is it just some concern we
need to just keep in the back of our

844
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:40,960
minds? What's that Main Street Canon
>> that this is this is the thing that I

845
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:47,359
was alluding to. I don't know the exact
point to point. I just know Main Street

846
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:51,839
came street to South Corner.52
miles. That's all I know. There's more

847
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,559
to it. We can find it.
>> Oh, I bet that's Cam Rock to Simon

848
01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:01,119
Corner or something. Um Well, okay. So,
that's we need we need clarification

849
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,799
from public works about exactly where
and when.

850
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:08,319
» Yes.
>> Because Okay. So this is our chance then

851
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:10,799
to make the road safer on that first
one.

852
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,760
» On the first one, these are already
budgeted for. We can look at them

853
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,960
similar to how we looked at Warrington
Street,

854
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:19,119
» right?
>> Year two is really applying the complete

855
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,880
streets where we kind of have those
stakeholder meetings with the budding

856
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:26,319
land owners and anybody interested. So
we have everything that's of concern

857
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:30,000
addressed.
>> Okay.

858
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:34,799
» So field trips. [laughter]
>> Definitely. Definitely. I mean I think

859
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:39,119
it's year two bit y'all really need to
put your put

860
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:43,680
» so Lenny with the budget cycle coming up
year two if there's anything y'all need

861
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,839
» we really need to think about it and
then that year one is really going to

862
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:52,000
lean into that so that year one one
we're really going to be taking a lot of

863
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:54,960
notes on these thinking about how could
we make this better and that's going to

864
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,520
lead into the budgeting process for year
two

865
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:02,160
» well you know looking back at what's
already happened yeah and saying what

866
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:06,799
but we just the opportunity on well
Seeing as how communication's the

867
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,599
primary thing, how do we get
communication from public works?

868
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,440
» Yeah.
>> All out Warrington Street all of a

869
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,640
sudden, boom. Like,
>> well,

870
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:20,960
» going back up to fiscal year 27.
>> Um,

871
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:23,039
who at public works is going to say,
"Here's what we've got planned for

872
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,000
these."
>> That's that's where we're going to have

873
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,520
meetings with Mike because it's Mike
right now. And then I don't know what

874
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:33,599
engineering firm we're going to hire. I
don't understand that process right now,

875
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:36,640
but there there's a process that exists
that we need to better understand which

876
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:41,359
we'll understand with the year one
projects and then bleed that into year

877
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,319
two and then we'll understand what is
needed.

878
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,400
» Okay.
>> From a budgeting process that's going to

879
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:50,480
be your mailers, your notifications
that's got a cost to it. So, it's going

880
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,400
to be primarily that and then some
outside services just to kind of help

881
01:03:52,400 --> 01:04:00,240
with some opinions.
>> Outside services for what? If y'all

882
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:04,079
think of a service that you might need,
you know, that could be a professional

883
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:07,440
biking company, that could be another
planning service, that could be

884
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:12,880
something
of an engineer, I don't know, [snorts]

885
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,280
consultant.
>> Yeah.

886
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,599
» And well, a lot of these roads are
smaller roads. I see that. Um, but

887
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:23,234
nonetheless, they have people who live
on them and care about them.

888
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:28,000
» Exactly. Um, one question
[clears throat] I didn't ask. I want to

889
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:32,160
has there been a uh independent um like
safety survey regarding Warrington

890
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:37,039
Street and the
>> uh like what we were talking about like

891
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:42,559
the police safety reports that they do
>> uh not I don't know if it would fall

892
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:48,000
into their purview but you know just uh
someone that would given what is

893
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:51,760
apparently going to happen and the
effects if that is that going to be

894
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:56,960
improving safety or not improving
safety. I see what you're asking. No. Um

895
01:04:55,359 --> 01:05:03,440
I don't think they do that. So that's an
item to keep on your mind.

896
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:06,720
» An assessment basically a
>> existing conditions and then any

897
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,480
proposed changes what that might likely
entail.

898
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:15,200
» Yeah, maybe you know working with
Camden.

899
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:20,720
» Um Camden, what's that? Mechanic Street.
You know where they put the sheriffs.

900
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:26,160
» Oh great. Yes. and um and Norwood which
um they put fog lines so it's really

901
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:32,079
like one width of a thing
>> right and so so you've done some

902
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:36,799
experiments to kind of see how behaviors
changing

903
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:41,119
» and there's no question that we see you
know everywhere where you narrow streets

904
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:46,240
speed's going down
>> and we also know that when they're

905
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:51,920
shared there is an increased awareness
and and so one of The things we know is

906
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:57,440
there'll be signage. There will be
different colors so that it's when

907
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:03,440
people see it, it's not going to seem
like it's just a wide shoulder, you

908
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:08,400
know, but like so the idea is we're
looking at what the research around the

909
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:16,319
country has shown for positive because
our main goal here is safety. Um and so

910
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:23,039
I think um we know it's already heavily
used by pedestrians and it's not safe.

911
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:29,039
So how do we make it safer
um given you know the situation that's

912
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:33,680
there and so you know I think every
single thing you have brought to us

913
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:38,640
today is going in and you know I'd say
the beach we have a I mean if we can get

914
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:45,599
a better place to park and a better
access it takes care of that and then

915
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:50,160
you know narrowing it reducing the speed
wider path that's going all the way

916
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:54,400
around as Sam
those things. Well, maybe might just

917
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:58,799
narrow the whole road. Yeah, I guess.
Why does it have to be wider?

918
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:04,640
Yeah.
>> All right, everybody. Anything else?

919
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:08,480
» Are we meeting next week?
>> Well, we're meeting with Camden. We have

920
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:11,839
our quarterly Camdom meeting.
>> And I So, that survey that y'all are

921
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,119
working on,
>> college survey. Yeah.

922
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:19,280
» I looked over it. Looks fine. She made a
comment today. is it kind of made me

923
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:24,240
wonder if she understands the structure
of like how committees work. So maybe

924
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:27,359
just understand like committee works for
the select board. She just made a

925
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,240
comment there but she'll be fine with
that. I'm sure um I think she just

926
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,640
wanted to understand.
>> Okay.

927
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,599
» Uh the survey and how it's structured. I
don't know if I like it. Fine with it. I

928
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,280
think I'm on a good track. So keep it
up.

929
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:42,240
» So yeah. So we should um get that out to
the

930
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,720
» So we're saying on the 16th that's Yeah.
>> Now am I understanding that that survey

931
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:48,400
is going to be used in the complete
street process whenever we got get a

932
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,240
project reaching out?
>> No, I think it's a Isn't it a general

933
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,400
survey?
>> It's a general survey. What the send out

934
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:56,880
to the community to try to target areas
that people have concerns.

935
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,520
» Okay.
>> No, that's you know

936
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:05,119
» exactly what we perceive may be
different than the public. Well, that's

937
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:10,880
sort of why I ask about the tribute
because that would be uh unbiased and

938
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:16,319
done by, you know, people that have no
vested interest, you know, and it'd be

939
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:19,440
an objective result and um I would be
surprised if they said it's going to

940
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:25,120
make the safer. That's just that's my
opinion. You know, I think it'd be uh

941
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,920
very helpful for the city to get an
independent opinion because like I said,

942
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:32,319
when someone is mowed down,
there's going to be defense lawyers that

943
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,480
are going to be asking all these
questions and when you have they don't

944
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:41,359
have good answers, you know, we're all
going to be on the hook.

945
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:45,600
» That's not a place we want. And we don't
I don't see anyone injured. That's long

946
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:51,359
before the police streets I even heard
of it. You know, I see these people and

947
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,839
they're attending their little toddlers,
you know, their little buckets and

948
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,799
they're crossing more street and he's
like, "Yeah, these cars coming down.

949
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:57,920
They can't even see him until they're
on."

950
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:01,839
» Mhm.
>> And I just think it's a miracle that no

951
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:06,640
one's been whacked yet.
That's um you know, my neighbor who's

952
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,920
been on the plane board
uh shares that opinion, but I I don't

953
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:14,239
really think
>> so. The traffic has picked up over the

954
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:16,400
past decade, you'd say, and it's
growing. It's going faster along that

955
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:22,239
road.
>> Uh I can't I don't I don't know. I don't

956
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:28,319
know. I just there most people drive
it's 35. I go in that stretch about

957
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:33,759
maybe if 30 you know because I'm just a
conservative driver like to be safe but

958
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:38,293
you know vehicles you know speed limits
35 that means I can do 40 and never get

959
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:40,640
a ticket. That's a fact. And
[clears throat] I can see how they come

960
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:45,279
down that little hill
>> and and in the other direction when if

961
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:49,120
there's an 18-wheeler and a speeding car
coming over that hill at the same time

962
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:52,560
and there's people they don't
intermingle

963
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:56,960
and
um I as much as I you know like I said

964
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:03,360
I've been trying to get to the point
where I think oh this is great

965
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:09,040
uh because it is inherently dangerous my
view and I just don't think this makes

966
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:16,239
it staper you It's entire supposed to be
nor cars as nor bikes, pedestrians

967
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:20,640
on a street with no distinction in the
level between the roadway and these

968
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:24,320
pedestrians
and limited sight lines. And that's

969
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:29,920
something that you know I don't think
it's overcomeable. That's the geography,

970
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:34,320
you know, the that curve and that's just
that's just that part of war to that

971
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:39,280
curve down the street. It's a almost
it's like a 70deree turn. Well, there

972
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:44,880
was a you know there years ago it was
the standard that all roads in Rockport

973
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:50,239
at least would be 18 ft wide for fire
trucks, right? So that's that's our

974
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:54,480
emergency response
public safety why we have the roads that

975
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,480
we do.
>> What's

976
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:03,840
that April 16th was going to be our
meeting until we switched it to here.

977
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,719
That's the one really the joint meeting
is the 16th.

978
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,600
» But this one came from Orion.
>> Mhm.

979
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:11,440
» Yeah.
>> He set it up first.

980
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:14,320
» Oh, so that's okay. So we're hosting.
>> Yes. Okay.

981
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:17,760
» Yeah. Are you able to be here then?
>> Yeah.

982
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:22,239
» Okay.
>> I'd like I'd like to ask as you as you

983
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:26,560
progress with your initiatives and the
comp plan that you keep us informed or

984
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:30,880
if there's questions, raise that
question, especially through your select

985
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:34,560
board member.
question.

986
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:40,880
» If there's a question on the on the
eight topics that you're dealing with as

987
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:44,560
a as a uh committee for the comp plan,
if please keep us informed if there's

988
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,159
changes, okay,
>> things that need to be addressed. I want

989
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:51,040
to make sure that we keep we're going to
go through the select board, keep them

990
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:55,760
updated.
>> Yeah. And plus, I think we want to go to

991
01:11:53,120 --> 01:12:01,040
the select board in June. Um has anybody
made that request? Oh, Michael, remember

992
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:04,880
we said we wanted to go talk
for the SLboard. We wanted to have our

993
01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:08,920
committee
and that would be after

994
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:14,040
it would be June 10th. Remember

995
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:20,120
» see could be

996
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:31,040
» take my garbage pack.
>> Thank you. Appcate. Thank you, Orion.

997
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:35,855
» I don't know who brought the chocolate,
but it was um

998
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,855
» it was consumed. [laughter]