[0:09] Good. Thank you. And and just for
clarification, after this is done, does
[0:14] it go onto
the doesn't go to the YouTube, does it?
[0:19] Goes on to where would where would
>> we use it? You've been you've mainly
[0:22] been using these to transcribe for your
minutes. So, did y'all take minutes at
[0:26] your last meeting in March? So I don't
>> Yes.
[0:30] » I don't see it in SharePoint.
>> Well, I sent them to
[0:33] » Who did you send them to?
>> No. Rene Ronald, she has both sets in
[0:40] February and March.
[0:44] » But
if somebody wanted to listen to the
[0:48] meeting,
>> um,
[0:51] » this does not
>> I don't think we have like a
[0:54] [clears throat] a YouTube channel. I
don't think that's the limit. And I
[0:57] think y'all have a channel we can upload
anything that's recorded.
[1:04] » Um, yeah, because I was just if people
are interested, I'm glad people are
[1:09] interested and if they want access to
what we talk about and we're not
[1:14] » whatever y'all want to do, just say and
then
[1:18] » because I know it's too expensive to
have Jeff do the YouTube. I understand.
[1:20] » Well, we're not we're not going to
operate that for committees,
[1:23] » right?
>> That that is expensive.
[1:26] But to have the recording, how do we get
the recording then?
[1:29] » What's here? And then it just gets
uploaded.
[1:33] » Uploaded where?
>> To YouTube.
[1:36] » To your YouTube channel, I think is what
you're asking.
[1:39] » Boom. I I guess who? Right now, it is on
my device. So, I will be uploading it.
[1:45] If I'm not able to be here and y'all
operate the get downloaded onto your
[1:49] device, you can just put it into
SharePoint.
[1:51] » Okay. Okay.
>> And then we'll get it up to YouTube.
[1:54] » And then the It would go to the town's
YouTube.
[1:57] » Yeah.
>> Well, the town's YouTube with y'all's
[2:00] channel.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[2:04] » All right.
>> Sorry, I clicked an exit button.
[2:23] Yeah. No. Um, Ramada said January and
February minutes have been added.
[2:27] February minutes were approved March
17th. Oh, March 17th.
[2:32] » No, because we have not approved them
because
[2:36] » Right. Okay. Did you send them to her?
>> The March [clears throat] the Marches
[2:41] amendments.
I'll follow up with her to see what
[2:45] she's got.
If you haven't
[2:48] » Well,
[2:51] let me see.
>> Yeah, I haven't posted them yet because
[2:56] typically we post them once they've been
approved.
[2:59] So,
[3:14] but
[3:17] those March 17th minutes
will then
[3:24] draft form will go to SharePoint
and then from SharePoint then we approve
[3:29] them And then they go on to
the page pathways page. Okay, perfect.
[3:36] The system. Yep.
[3:51] [clears throat] Okay.
[4:07] Okay.
[4:18] » So, want to talk about Warrington
Street?
[4:21] » Yeah. Give us an update. Did the letter
go out?
[4:24] » Letter went out. Uh, everybody down
there received it. We've had some
[4:27] feedback from a few of the land owners.
Um, Mike and his department of public
[4:32] works has field in a few phone calls.
Uh, and then Farley is starting
[4:40] this month, middle of this month to late
this month.
[4:44] So, in the next few weeks, they should
be starting. They're already dropping
[4:47] some stuff off down there
for a landing for their project.
[4:54] And then Mike Mike uh Mike and I had a
quick chat. He couldn't be here today.
[4:59] He's he's been running too hard, but
he's uh estimating the painting that you
[5:06] all wanted to know would cost to be
around 7 to 10,000. That's based on
[5:09] prior numbers. And then the stenciling,
he's put a request out to get it to
[5:15] have an idea for that. And signage is
its own separate thing that y'all are
[5:20] concerned with. Were the calls that came
in um just general questions? Were they
[5:26] positive? Were they negative?
>> I didn't feel any of them. Uh
[5:30] couple people called in concerned with
the uh storm water and where that's
[5:36] going to be going. Concerned that's
going to increase some damage on their
[5:40] end. So, we're looking at that.
[5:44] I noticed that the letter also had the
word widening in there and I thought
[5:49] like that said it wasn't the road wasn't
getting widened
[5:53] getting widened
to my to my knowledge where this is from
[5:58] where the sidewalk currently is. It's
not supposed to be any wider. They do
[6:02] have the right way. They can go wider
but to my knowledge that's where they're
[6:06] staying.
>> So they eat it into people's lawns is
[6:09] not
>> what the project is going to entail. I
[6:11] don't know if it's part of the grading
aspect of it. That's a question from
[6:16] like himself.
I would
[6:19] » the sidewalk doesn't go all the way to
the pump station,
[6:23] » but beyond that might be beyond the
sidewalk might be somewhat
[6:27] » maybe.
Um mean that they would be
[6:30] » Did y'all Did y'all read the design?
>> Yeah. Did he mention it in it or did
[6:35] y'all read the uh
>> we saw the the the drawing doesn't say
[6:40] this is getting widened? You know what I
mean? It it gives a graphic but doesn't
[6:44] say, you know, widened by 3 ft or I just
know if I were a homeowner down there,
[6:50] I' I would want to know if somebody's
eating into where I planted daffodils or
[6:57] whatever.
[7:01] not to
there. There's a tree that I love in my
[7:04] yard and it's not in Rockport and I
don't want the town to cut it down, but
[7:07] they have every right to if they choose
to because it's within me. That's just
[7:11] the thing that I have to deal with
whenever that comes.
[7:14] » Yeah, I get that. I mean, we we had a
major fight on Route One and Warren
[7:18] years ago
and that, you know, all of that stuff,
[7:23] it all matters.
>> So, does the pink represent
[7:37] Sure.
[7:45] Sometimes they do like a silhouette
underneath of where the existing is.
[7:51] Sometimes they don't.
Sewer line.
[7:55] » So where it says paved walk, that's the
existing sidewalk.
[7:58] » That's the existing sidewalk. Yeah.
>> And how far?
[8:02] » Well, I I believe so.
This is the proposed
[8:06] » Yeah. Can we go up beyond
[8:12] this?
[8:29] I don't I don't have that on here.
[clears throat and cough] Do you want to
[8:33] go down this way?
[8:44] And that's the big project area right
there.
[8:47] » The whole thing's a big project area.
>> The drainage right there. That's
[8:52] » Well, this dotted line.
>> Yeah.
[8:55] » Is the drainage plan
all the way up
[9:01] to here.
>> Yeah.
[9:04] So then that that is going to I mean
whether they regrade or not they do have
[9:08] to dig up into
people's
[9:14] » in the down right of way. Yes,
>> I understand. But
[9:24] oh [clears throat] this is saying sorry.
>> So we don't know if people down there
[9:30] have concerns or not but
>> [clears throat]
[9:33] » You guys have the town has received
several phone calls.
[9:36] » Yes. Uh there have been a couple in in
this vicinity where the storm drainage
[9:41] area is
>> that have called with concerns of wash
[9:45] out. So they are looking at that area a
little better. So [clears throat] to
[9:50] kind of drive the point home with like
the complete streets policy and like
[9:53] future projects like hopefully we'll be
at the front end of this like hey we're
[9:57] going to be coming in the area. We need
to know all the concerns we're going to
[9:59] look at long laundry list of stuff.
>> [clears throat]
[10:03] » I can guarantee you until we have
something on paper and drawing, no one's
[10:07] good. So there's an issue. So we'll try
to, you know, move that project forward
[10:13] a little bit with future projects.
[clears throat and cough]
[10:18] » You have any help if I read out
something from the Carly Dorski
[10:24] contract thing that's put out there.
>> Yeah.
[10:28] » Manual.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
[10:30] » Go for it. Um,
this includes
[10:35] not limited to replacement of existing
storm drains and catch basins, drainage
[10:40] improvements, removal of the sidewalk,
installation of back curb, grading
[10:45] lawns, driveway and walkways as needed,
and repaving the disturbed areas and
[10:50] driveway aprons in addition to all other
project specifics.
[10:55] box uh base shoulder construction all
components associated with widening the
[11:01] shoulder from approximately station 615
to so that's the length but this work
[11:08] includes box cutting the existing
shoulder and lawn area relocation of
[11:14] mailboxes for USPS requirements and
adjusting the grades of lawn areas
[11:20] walkways and driveways to accommodate
the shoulder widening and applying fog
[11:24] lines as needed and specific plans in
addition project specific.
[11:30] That's as far as that.
>> Yeah,
[11:33] » at least
>> that didn't include any of the complete
[11:36] streets kind of pieces, but that's
coming from the department of the
[11:39] rescue.
>> No, that was a part of the bid process.
[11:46] » That was that was that was all started
before we kind of got where we needed to
[11:51] be with the policy. So again, we're
coming into this project way late, but
[11:57] we're applying it to the best we can
just to kind of understand a little
[12:01] better.
>> I am curious to know if anybody's
[12:03] opposed to removing the sidewalk is
opposed to it removing the sidewalk.
[12:10] » There's a budget committee meeting.
>> Somebody
[12:15] like why why tear it up all that? But
then it was explained the needs drainage
[12:20] and all that stuff and like
>> Oh, with my Yeah.
[12:25] » Well, the sidewalk so deteriorated.
>> Yeah.
[12:28] » It's also sidewalk to nowhere.
>> Yeah.
[12:32] » Yeah.
>> Do Do you live on street?
[12:34] » Yes, I do.
[12:38] » What's that? Do you want to come to the
table and talk about it or
[12:44] » excuse Michael
and just introduce yourself for the My
[12:50] name is Ethan Jones 39
and I'm very concerned about this
[12:55] project many
[13:02] » our focus is on the sidewalk parts of
the path.
[13:05] » Okay. Yeah, that's an art. That's the
only thing we have any Well, okay. We
[13:10] don't do anything. We just recommend.
>> All right.
[13:13] So, with respect to what you mentioned,
sidewalk,
[13:17] um, well, the back trace once I heard
about the project or actually read about
[13:23] it, I began inquiring.
That's been very difficult to ascertain
[13:28] information. And the sidewalk has been
referred to as a sidewalk repair.
[13:35] That's not accurate. There is the
sidewalk is going to be destroyed.
[13:40] [clears throat] It's going to be removed
>> and will not be replaced.
[13:47] And in its place, from what I
understand, do a lot of diligent work on
[13:50] my part, there'll be a five- foot wide
pathway
[13:55] from Warrington Street and Highway One
to the pump station.
[14:00] There will be no
curbing
[14:05] as in a typical sidewalk. So in other
words, pedestrians,
[14:10] people pushing strollers, bicyclists
will be at the same level as vehicles
[14:18] traversing or in the street and 70,000
lb trucks headed to war uh Samet where
[14:27] the speed limit is 35 miles an hour and
vehicles often exceed that.
[14:33] Have you been to Warrington Street? Oh
yes. So, you may recall the sightelines
[14:38] are limited
and there are hills and valleys
[14:43] where there's no
line of sight beyond maybe 100 100 ft.
[14:50] You can't tell if a vehicle is headed
your way or not.
[14:53] There's often
little groups of uh kitties from the
[14:58] Riley school who walk down to
the lack of better way the beach access
[15:06] point and they're walking along Martin
vehicles going 35 miles an hour each way
[15:11] and from what I understand
[15:15] this is supposed to enhance safety
and access to an inherently unsafe
[15:21] street
[15:24] the same level the pathway the street I
think is pretty much insane you know
[15:32] that vehicles slipping by
I'm very concerned about that
[15:38] and I think the city's going to be
exposed to extreme liability when not it
[15:42] but when there's a very tragic accident
particularly since every day spring
[15:49] summer and most of the
There are people that park in the white
[15:53] out next to the pump station. They cross
the street and go down into code.
[15:59] According to the information that I've
been able to ascertain,
[16:03] including my u conversation with Mike
Young yesterday,
[16:09] where they park now
is going to be a pathway with no
[16:13] parking. Right.
Well, the goal of the Pathways Committee
[16:18] charter is to facilitate and deal with
parking issues. So, for all these people
[16:25] that have been parking there for the
last 20 or 30 years,
[16:30] who go to the beach every day, like I
said, where are they supposed to park?
[16:37] Mr. Young had no idea.
I think that's shortsighted. that part
[16:42] of our original discussion. We never I
never knew that people parked there and
[16:47] go down to the and so or what I'm going
to be doing is I'm going to be video
[16:52] videoing from my lawn the trucks and the
cars and the people that are crossing
[16:58] Warrington Street to go down and they're
families little kitties
[17:04] little buckets you know to go like
>> is there a public access right there
[17:09] » uh unofficially and this is I'm not on
that land But from what I understand,
[17:15] it's not public access. It's privately
owned by the
[17:19] by the resident. [clears throat]
Uh, let me It's privately owned and I'm
[17:25] not sure if it's a certain resident or
the other one, but it's one of the other
[17:29] addresses memorized, but from what I
know, that's been used as a public
[17:35] access for ever. you talk to the people
that live there and there's several that
[17:41] that have been there for a long time,
you know, like decades.
[17:45] Um, and no one seems to have any problem
with it. And in fact, on that point
[17:52] where the roaded
[17:56] intersects the slope to claim Cove where
the people traverse down the beach, it's
[18:03] eroded.
It constantly erodess. And right now,
[18:06] it's present condition. It's eroded to
the roaded itself. And there's a drop
[18:11] down of about maybe 18 inches.
To me, that says instability.
[18:21] And I talked to M about that and he said
that they may have to rip wrap it or
[18:26] something like this. But that's what
they're fixing, right? Is what you're
[18:30] talking about is the drainage where it's
eroding. The point is to fix right there
[18:36] because that's where the drain it's it's
near
[18:39] » it's not right there.
>> That's right. The drainage uh
[18:44] it's um adjacent to it's at the lowest
level adjacent to the pump station.
[18:50] That's the culvert. I don't know if
that's what you meant. The culvert
[18:53] that's where it's getting fixed. So
right there.
[18:55] » Yeah. Okay.
>> This is the cover. There's the pump
[18:57] station here. Oh,
>> okay. So where the blue is the covert?
[19:00] Mhm.
>> So they go between the Dixon and the
[19:02] Person. People go between the Person and
Dixon properties.
[19:06] » Zoom in a little bit.
>> See
[19:12] moved residence. I'm not sure.
>> This is a cover. I think you're
[19:18] » Oh, yeah. That that's the covert. And
then right to the left of the culvert,
[19:22] there's a wide out on the land side
where that's where the people park and
[19:28] that's going to be eliminated.
And
[19:32] » on the water side or on the pump station
side?
[19:34] » Pump station side.
>> Okay. That's up here.
[19:37] » Oh, okay. Pump st. Okay. It's hard for
me to determine what where it is.
[19:42] » Well, there's the cove at the top of the
page,
[19:46] right? Route one is to the left,
>> right? And so that blue dotted line, is
[19:50] that the culvert? The big
>> this right here,
[19:52] » the puck thing.
>> This is the big culvert.
[19:54] » Okay. So right to the left of that
down uh down further down.
[20:01] » Yeah. Right over there. That's sort of
the wide out [clears throat]
[20:04] » where people park. And then to the left
uh sort of in that vicinity on the other
[20:11] side that sort of on the other side of
the warrant and toward the cove.
[20:14] » Mhm.
>> That's where the people walk down.
[20:16] » Mhm. Yeah.
said there was going to be some parking
[20:20] by the pump station.
>> Did we talk about that? I don't
[20:23] remember.
>> That's where it is now. According to
[20:26] this information, that's where the
that's where the pathway is going to be
[20:30] as specific.
>> Well, the pathway will go across, but
[20:32] that there was going to be parking by
the pump station. So, you could go in
[20:36] and you wouldn't park on the path. You
would park sort of I thought you'd have
[20:40] to I mean, the people have to go do work
at the pump station, right?
[20:43] » Well, there's going to be
>> Yeah. So that will be an a pump state a
[20:48] parking space
>> one.
[20:50] » Well do the
>> but I don't know just the quantity.
[20:56] » So Ethan are you in favor then of of the
sidewalk continuing the sidewalk? I
[21:01] would rather have a sidewalk instead of
as well.
[21:05] » Yeah. Another sort of area of concern.
But before if I may if we get to that
[21:09] just sort of finish up this little mini
topic. So here's the covert if I
[21:13] understand correct. Right.
>> Yes. Mhm.
[21:15] » All right. So,
uh, can you, uh, raise it up a little
[21:19] bit this way,
the whole graphic up a little bit? Other
[21:24] way.
>> To this one. [clears throat]
[21:26] » Let's see.
>> Oh, yeah. All right. So,
[21:32] [clears throat]
looking for basically my house. So, it's
[21:35] » Oh, your house.
>> It's uh, okay. 39.
[21:41] All right. So the pathway that people go
down to the cob it's pretty much
[21:48] right here.
>> Okay.
[21:52] » People park and Okay. So the covert is
here and and the pump if that's the then
[21:58] the pump station is sort of right here
>> and then
[22:02] » this is a pretty big drawing.
>> Okay.
[22:04] » Looks like the gravel.
So
[22:08] to the right over there somewhere is the
pump station and the warrant and soda
[22:11] goes down and at the lowest level of
course that's that's where the um
[22:16] culvert is and then above the culvert
here is a wide out where people park.
[22:22] It's sort of eroding but that's just the
way it's been for you know that's the
[22:25] way it is. And then but right next to
the pump station there is a gravel area
[22:29] that is for the technicians who service
the pump station. It's not public. I'm
[22:35] gonna pull up a Google Earth image for
you. Offshore.
[22:45] » Oh, there's the spacecraft. [laughter]
[22:50] It's a good one.
[snorts]
[22:53] Coming home.
[23:00] Oh, no. Sorry.
[23:07] Yeah, it's getting it's pretty cool.
[23:11] So, okay, this pump
>> station's right here. This is that white
[23:15] out that you're talking about.
>> Okay. Where's the pump station? Here.
[23:18] » It's right here.
>> Okay. So, right here is the gravel for
[23:21] the technicians for the pump station.
It's not public parking.
[23:25] » And then the wide out is sort of here.
It's not It's not like an official wide
[23:29] out. It's just sort of, you know, just
the way it is. just and then the pathway
[23:34] to the beach is sort of right Yeah.
right in that vicinity. So people bark
[23:40] and they take the little kiddies and
there's some seniors by the way too and
[23:43] they'll walk across and do the stuff in
the cove
[23:48] and it's here just
>> Oh sure they can.
[23:52] » Oh that's great.
So there he there's his pathway
[23:56] » and presently I mean like literally
right now
[24:01] » um
>> yeah this is all the way to the road
[24:05] bit. See this initation it's washed out
>> and they they filled it in the past but
[24:10] it washed it out again.
>> That's the
[24:13] » Oh yeah. So oh boy a lot of folc
encourage people to go over to the park
[24:17] instead of parking there and get some
steps down to beach.
[24:21] » But the uh that is private property. No,
the park over around the corner
[24:26] » she's talking about over here.
>> Oh, the uh
[24:31] » street.
>> So, I don't know.
[24:35] » So, that would eliminate that.
>> Yeah, if they're it's a little, you
[24:39] know,
I don't know. A lot of people are
[24:43] probably not really going to walk want
to walk that, but I guess if that's the
[24:46] only choice, right? To give you some
background, the pathways committee's
[24:49] focus is to look at alternatives to
roads. It's not about parking. It's
[24:54] about safe walking bicycling pathways.
And so part of this project started
[25:01] because we know a lot of people walk the
route and it's not just, you know, going
[25:06] to the beach. We know people will walk
more intentionally. they'll go, you
[25:10] know, um and in fact that whole circle
and knowing um and there have been
[25:16] conversations years in the past that
Samet also had some interest. So we're
[25:20] really looking at this is kind of phase
one and we would bring it all the way
[25:25] around to Samet and then hoping that
Rockland would pick up and do their part
[25:30] over on the other road.
>> Yeah. and and you know, parking is
[25:36] definitely an issue, but thinking about
how do we do pathways
[25:42] that can be maintained and upkeep and
maint and made safe and you know, your
[25:49] concerns are, you know, are the same
ones that we've been airing. Um
[25:55] but then we're at the point of like
we we've been looking all over the
[26:01] country to see how they are doing this
and and so there is not precedent in the
[26:07] Mid Coast but there's definitely
precedent across the country that having
[26:13] pathways that are the same level as
roads um is very typical and and they
[26:19] can be safe. Um I'm more you know some
of the things you said is like you know
[26:24] can we lower the speed limit? Can we do
you know some other things you know to
[26:29] that kind of work into that as well. We
also know when roads are a little
[26:34] narrower people go slower. Um, so
there's a lot of things like we need to
[26:41] talk about, but I think at the end of
the day, if if there was a way to
[26:46] think about
our understanding that safety is key and
[26:51] if we can think about, you know, is
there a way to put a few parking spots
[26:55] over by the pump station and some of
those, would that alleviate some of your
[27:00] concerns or
>> Well, I understand everything that you
[27:03] said and I value it and you know,
Parking is not a concern for me because
[27:08] I live there, but I observe it.
>> Sure. [clears throat]
[27:11] » And I'm talking human behavior here. And
they do this literally every day,
[27:15] spring, summer, and most of the fall.
And sometimes there's up to four
[27:19] vehicles that hold little wide out
>> and they cross warrant, which is itself
[27:24] dangerous because there's no crosswalk.
And like I said, uh if you go to the
[27:29] Google map thing, the road sort of goes
like this. So at the that at the bottom
[27:33] point is where the people cross and
that's where neither the approaching
[27:38] driver from highway one or the people on
warranton they they can't see each other
[27:44] because there's a valve.
So that's to me is inherently unsafe.
[27:49] Now as you brought up and as you brought
up what right [laughter] now phase one
[27:55] is a pathway to nowhere. It's a pathway
to the pump station.
[28:00] I talked to Mr. Young about that
and as you indicated, you know, it's
[28:06] sort of a
[28:09] a faroff dream or project, however you
want to call it, to connect that to
[28:15] Samet.
Now, the
[28:18] pathway presently
is on the
[28:23] I don't know like the land side of war.
The pump station's
[28:27] got a cross. The Samets's on the other
side is straight.
[28:31] » M. Young didn't really know where that
was going to be. He did s say that
[28:36] they're going to perhaps try to get an
an ease
[28:40] from the
>> this one
[28:43] » from the people who own that huge plot
of land. So that pathways on the other
[28:48] side of their
>> on the other side of the trees.
[28:52] » Yes. The trees.
>> So I don't know. I mean, how easy that's
[28:56] going to be. Land owners may not want to
be doing that.
[28:59] » That corner is, as you know, dangerous.
Walking on it constantly.
[29:02] » Yeah, that corner right right in the
middle of the road.
[29:05] » I think is that
>> my truck drivers are always keeping a
[29:07] lap out when they go because it's
there's always somebody standing in the
[29:10] middle road.
>> Yeah. Well, like you said, it's a lot of
[29:12] walkers and stuff including me.
>> Yeah.
[29:14] » Now, that's east eastward is a Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, that corner is like
[29:18] essentially one corner, too. And we had,
you know, we've looked at that and of
[29:22] course we would like push forward to
raise a sidewalk as well, but as our
[29:26] meeting earlier in the winter was just
no money for,
[29:29] » well, that's what Mike Young said, you
know, and you just said the cost of
[29:33] putting a traditional
>> unfortunately, you know, we haven't we
[29:36] haven't identified any grants,
>> right,
[29:39] » do those.
>> Well, you know, so
[29:40] » yeah, some of our other projects will be
able to get grant money to make this.
[29:45] » Unfortunately, this one we haven't been
able to identify.
[29:48] » I don't know that we've had any. I don't
I don't there's no grants for sidewalks.
[29:53] » Not in this case, but
>> yeah.
[29:55] » And along this stretch, if there were to
be the raised sidewalk,
[29:59] » then we would also need space for
bicycle riders cuz bike riders won't be
[30:03] on the sidewalks.
>> Well, so that would mean widening
[30:08] the road even further into people's
land. So, the mixed use pathway is a
[30:14] good solution.
>> Yeah. Well, and then my property is
[30:18] affected.
>> Oh, as well as every one of my
[30:21] neighbors. I talked to them yesterday.
They were furious.
[30:23] » They had no knowledge that the land was
going to be taken. Okay.
[30:28] Which part are they upset about?
>> Yeah. What are they
[30:31] the old sideway?
>> No one has informed them of anything.
[30:34] Okay. And
no one is disputing the town's authority
[30:39] to go ahead and take their land. Okay.
But have a little courtesy. Maybe maybe
[30:44] inform the people that pay the taxes of
this town. Let them know that you're
[30:48] going to be moving their sidewalk.
You'll be cutting into their lawn. And
[30:51] there's no indication of the schedule
because they're going to be doing a lot
[30:54] of work on storm. Nothing. No
communication except a letter that I got
[30:58] yesterday
from public works and a visit. I'm sure
[31:02] the town spatched him to my residents to
try to modify me.
[31:06] » So there is a concern by the residents
that of ripping up the sidewalk itself.
[31:11] Would
[31:15] the Do people want it repaired? Is that
>> Well, I think most people haven't even
[31:20] haven't even had a chance to think about
it
[31:21] » to digest it. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?
[31:23] » Yeah, I do.
>> I mean, I've been trying to figure this
[31:25] out for weeks. Yeah.
>> And they just found out about it
[31:28] yesterday
>> and they weren't too happy, I have to
[31:31] say.
>> And and and the plans aren't all aren't
[31:34] [clears throat] finalized yet. So, we're
spell
[31:40] that's different. Well, that's a part of
the confusion. I'm
[31:44] the uh this Okay. So, last summer the
survey people um I don't know company
[31:51] that they were out there surveying
warrant
[31:53] » probably.
Yeah, probably. So, and so myself, other
[31:57] neighbors asked him, you know, what's
going on? And they said, well, they said
[32:01] some maybe something with a sidewalk.
And that's pretty much all they said.
[32:03] And that's fine. I mean, it's like their
job to eat. Actually, they don't even
[32:07] probably nothing. They just jobs to
service that one. That was last summer.
[32:11] Okay. I called public works last summer
after I talked to the survey people and
[32:16] asked them. They said that, you know,
just something out into the future and I
[32:20] requested that they call me when they
found out. Never got a call. My
[32:24] neighbor, same thing. Found out doctor
yesterday. She called. They never They
[32:28] said they call her back. They never
called her back.
[32:29] » Who was that? Felicia.
>> Was that your neighbor?
[32:33] » I No, it was Linda. U 4143.
>> Yeah. case
[32:40] » and um you know she's been there I don't
know how long but probably you know
[32:45] decades and decades you know and anyway
so
[32:52] my question is sort of
so you know uh Mr. Young referred to the
[32:58] he said they haven't you y'all haven't
really decided on the there might be
[33:04] sheros or you know or and he said
there's going to be probably no parking
[33:10] signs at the pathway that we've been
talking about. So
[33:17] but the back of my you know this been in
the works since last summer you know
[33:22] because they have survey people out
there. They don't send survey people out
[33:25] there for no reason.
And the pathways committee, y'all in one
[33:30] form or another have been mentioning
Warrington Street for months
[33:36] and um why you why are you doing this? I
mean, aren't there other streets that
[33:40] are better suited?
>> That's not how it works for us. I take
[33:46] advantage of they're be working on the
street. We take advantage of the
[33:49] opportunity while they're
>> Yeah.
[33:51] » working that we don't have to come in
later and redo work. That's
[33:54] » Well, that's what you know, Mr. young
sort of, you know, obviously everyone
[33:57] wants things to be done efficiently as
possible,
[34:00] » you know, but if if the goal doesn't
make sense, it's
[34:02] » so to give you a little history, you
know, when they redid Park Street, you
[34:07] know, by go um Goose River Golf
and they repaint they they kind of
[34:12] rebuilt everything
>> between Rockport and Camden
[34:15] » between Rockport and Camden.
>> You know, Simon Corner, Cart Street goes
[34:19] over to Camden.
It's probably going to matter. It's the
[34:24] back way to get into Camden. Oh. Uh,
okay.
[34:27] » And you go by the golf course.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
[34:30] » So, I
>> So, that road when they redid it, it was
[34:35] done without thinking at all about the
people that walk it and bike it. And so,
[34:41] it's still a narrow road with no
shoulders and kind of dangerous. And so
[34:46] out of that came our focus on creating a
complete streets kind of policy which is
[34:54] where anytime the town is going to redo
roads that there would be this chance
[35:04] for us to think about how that road can
better be um you know m uh
[35:13] » designed and utilized will accommodate
pedestrians and bikers as opposed to
[35:17] just trucks and cars.
>> Well, that's great because I've done a I
[35:20] bike and I have walked a lot and I I
know [laughter] pretty much you think.
[35:25] » So, this came up because of the fact
that they're redoing the drainage and so
[35:31] now it's becoming like a chance for us
to rethink how is that knowing that it's
[35:37] a heavily used road for pedestrians and
bikers. Like, how do we do this? And we
[35:43] know we can't do it all in one shot and
we can do it, you know, do we start with
[35:48] this piece and we kind of use this as
our um
[35:52] » to test
>> to test both the policy
[35:56] as well as um you know a lot of things.
And so it's creating a whole another
[36:02] layer of communication for Mike to have
to communicate with us. And and this is
[36:08] all new because we're still ironing out
the policy. And so we had a work plan
[36:14] that we would have been talking to all
the neighbors back in January. It just
[36:18] went slower than and it was a very snowy
winter and you know
[36:24] » was still waiting for information.
>> We were still waiting for information.
[36:28] Well, I I understand, you know, it was
just it takes time,
[36:31] » but to like I could have anticipated
knowing that if you guys are only
[36:36] finding out about this in April and you
know Brown's going to that there'd be
[36:41] emotions.
>> Well, they have the I don't know what
[36:44] they're called. Maybe I'll do the
concrete deals that have to do with the
[36:49] storm water. You know, they're like six
feet tall by four feet wide.
[36:52] » Oh, the jersey things.
>> No, they weigh about probably five tons
[36:55] each, you know.
>> Oh, those things. Wow. You know, they're
[36:58] right next to right for my neighbors
earlier in the White House. They brought
[37:02] some stuff over.
>> Yeah.
[37:05] » The catch basins.
>> Sorry.
[37:06] » The catch basins.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[37:08] » They've been delivered.
>> So, that indicate that's a good
[37:10] indication of Mike's focus, which is to
fix that thing.
[37:13] » Yeah.
>> That's what he's concentrating on. And
[37:16] the road is secondary. If it's, you
know, there's markers on my property.
[37:21] All my neighbors have markers on our
property. Okay. and the dig state people
[37:25] spray painted our property where the
utilities are. Okay. I mean, so this is
[37:29] happening. He says it's going to be uh
well the letter said mid that is April
[37:34] 7th. So I you know it's going to the uh
trucks are going to be there next week I
[37:39] guess you know and like I said we're
just finding out. But I understand your
[37:44] point and I appreciate it because I'
I've been a walker [clears throat] and a
[37:46] biker, you know, for years, you know,
and
[37:50] [clears throat] it really is um and I I
know I got lights on the bike and
[37:54] helmets and I really don't want to get
whacked.
[37:57] » And what I'm hearing from you,
>> just real quick in regards to that
[37:59] notice, you got that notice as fast as
we could actually get it because like we
[38:03] literally got the information from
Farley on when they're going to do this
[38:07] like mid April. It's like, okay, we got
to put that in line and then get that
[38:10] out. Then John was wanting to actually
do one last edit on. I said, "John, I
[38:14] got to get this in the mail Friday so
that it gets delivered in time." So I
[38:17] mean, I had to kind of go around him.
>> Right. So
[38:22] » that that's one of the pieces here. And
one of the issues that we're trying to
[38:25] work out is this one. We have Warrington
Street project. There's a box that we
[38:30] got to deal with in. So for the future
projects, we're ahead of the game before
[38:34] we actually have a bid out. That's where
we want to be. So this is sort of like
[38:38] the genesis of the deal. So
>> I totally understand the logic and the
[38:46] sense of you know of the complete street
Pauls as you laid it out to only make
[38:50] sense for [clears throat] all sorts of
safety improvement for bikes and that
[38:56] the economy of doing things together
rather than separately and we all know
[39:00] that you know paving and excavation work
is extremely expensive. So, we can't
[39:06] just do a peace meal. I mean, we all
know we're getting taxed like crazy,
[39:11] but
so what, and correct me if I'm wrong,
[39:15] but what I'm hearing from you is is
safety is probably even more important
[39:22] to you at this point than the thought
of, you know, and I don't think it would
[39:25] affect you because you have sidewalk in
front, but if the properties, you know,
[39:30] cut into their wall your their yards a
little closer to the pump station, like
[39:35] that's not your bigger concern. your
bigger concern is like the parking and
[39:39] the safety.
>> Safety has been my concern since I lived
[39:43] here and ask any of my neighbors. And uh
with respect to the comment about the
[39:48] sidewalk, the sidewalk only goes 150 ft
from
[39:51] » and I'm I'm way past the sidewalk.
>> Oh, you are okay.
[39:54] » There's no there's no
>> except in the street and uh same with
[39:59] several neighbors down. But
I've been talking to my neighbor for uh
[40:06] nextdoor neighbor who's been on the
planning board in the past about this
[40:11] subject and uh we both agree this you
know it's just an accident waiting to
[40:15] happen and I think more so now because
the project let's let's assume it's all
[40:22] done. It's designed to entice people to
go there. You know, it's all, you know,
[40:27] all redone for pathway. Looks good. It
goes to the pump station ends. Okay.
[40:33] Where do you know where people go then?
>> Well, that Yeah, that's not the goal.
[40:36] [laughter]
>> But that is the reality.
[40:40] » Well, that's phase one. Yeah.
>> Absolutely.
[40:42] » And no one knows a
[laughter] who knows when stage. So,
[40:46] you're going to have people going like,
okay, now what? And with respect to the
[40:51] wide out,
um, he says, my Mr. Young says he wants
[40:56] the the police department to ticket
people to park there. Okay. Well, I
[41:00] haven't seen anyone even given a
speeding ticket, let alone a parking
[41:03] ticket.
>> You just got to look at human nature
[41:06] here. In regards to what you're saying
about that, we had the opportunity up
[41:11] here at the intersection of Route 91 a
few years ago for at the cross where
[41:18] markets used to be.
>> Yeah.
[41:20] » There was no crossing.
>> No crossing.
[41:23] » No crossing. Wow.
>> And they were redoing the intersection.
[41:27] » Yeah.
>> And that sidewalk comes up and ended
[41:30] right there. But and on the other side
there's no sidewalk. So we had to but
[41:35] they were redoing all the wiring. They
doing all the grading. They were doing
[41:39] everything. And we were able to put a
landing spot on the other side and put a
[41:42] crossing signal in there. And now we're
going to be able to connect to the next
[41:46] phase when that comes up which is
connecting for the high school.
[41:49] » Okay. As well as the new park that will
be soon the park.
[41:52] » But to go back now to try and put that
crosswalk in after we've already done
[41:57] » Yeah.
>> would have been hundreds of thousands.
[42:00] » Yeah. It's amazing. And it just
>> Yeah. So we try to take advantage of the
[42:05] when these opportunities present
themselves.
[42:07] » Well, I hear that and if I was in your
position, I would definitely consider
[42:11] it. But I I exists.
I think it creates I think it creates
[42:17] more problems than solves.
>> Do you object to a pathways there? Would
[42:24] you would you just rather have the road
there like just just lines fog lines on
[42:30] the road? Is that
>> well
[42:31] » ideally what you'd rather see? you know,
since I well, I've been contemplating
[42:36] that very, you know, imagining the
pathway versus not.
[42:41] » And I've been trying to get to the point
where the pathway is acceptable in my
[42:46] own rationale.
>> And um
[42:52] I think it I've made the determination
in my own analysis that it would make it
[42:58] less safe.
It's the same level. There's no curb. It
[43:04] it ends. Where are people going to go?
>> Can I can we show you a couple of the
[43:07] things that we've been looking at that
um
[43:11] you know, so this is an example of
something along the lines
[43:18] » the green is the pathway.
>> The green is the pathway.
[43:20] » Now I've also done research like there's
a there's a space between the pathway
[43:25] and the roadway,
>> right?
[43:26] » There's no space on warranty.
>> Well, that's what we're hoping to do
[43:29] though. That no but that be the pathway
is going to go right to the rope bed.
[43:33] » So So this this is all level, right?
>> This is just sort of a like a 4ft with a
[43:41] 1 and 1/2t or something.
>> So the one and what does that designate?
[43:44] » That's just paint. And
>> what's it supposed to be?
[43:47] » It's just to designate like when you're
a walker or a biker, you stay on the
[43:52] pathway. This is kind of that little
safety shoulder and then if you're
[43:55] driving, you're not driving onto the
pathway.
[43:58] » Right. Well, there there's no safety
shoulder in this plan on but but this is
[44:03] what our goal is.
>> Oh, the goal.
[44:05] » Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, exactly. And I
like I said, I've sort of done a little
[44:09] M dot research on pathways. Yeah, that
all makes sense, but it doesn't that's
[44:14] not happening on war.
>> No, no, it would happen. So, we don't
[44:17] know the painting plan yet
>> exactly what colors. just know how much
[44:21] space we have to work with and what's
going to be, you know, the pathway and
[44:25] what's going to be
>> Well, Mike, okay, we were standing on
[44:28] the street again. Now, this is the
street. This is my yard. Here's the edge
[44:32] of the street. He says the pathway is
going to go from right here and it's
[44:36] going to go 5t in.
There's no separation there.
[44:42] » There's not going to be a grass
separation. No, it's just going to be a
[44:45] paint separation like you have shown on
that screen. Well, he indicated here's
[44:49] [clears throat] the here's the edge of
the street and the pathway is going to
[44:52] be 5 ft in. Now, you made no indication
to me that there's going to be
[44:58] » so from from the edge of the inward. So,
that the second line over all the way to
[45:03] that curb, that is that section that
Mike is referring to. So, within that
[45:08] 5T, there's going to be the breakaway
bit that the rest is going to be that
[45:13] way. We got to discuss the the
lanes because that's not enough space on
[45:18] the in the pathway
for two bikes to kind of go against each
[45:22] other.
>> So, you're saying that the five feet I
[45:24] think we agree on that, right?
>> Uh
[45:27] » is going to be Oh,
>> touch the mouse. Touch the mouse.
[45:33] » So, the five feet is going to be sort of
subdivided into having
[45:37] » Yeah. So, so for example, right there,
the the green is three and then that
[45:41] white that that white line there will be
two in this example right there. And
[45:45] what we're trying to work with on Mike
is to get the lanes narrowed. So, we can
[45:49] take that three and two and be more of
like a four or five and then two,
[45:54] [clears throat] something of that
nature.
[45:55] » So, narrow the the vehicular lanes.
>> So, that helps explode the traffic as
[46:00] well. At least in theory.
>> It's actually proven.
[46:04] » Well, tell that that the people get
killed. And theoretically, it should
[46:08] have been safe. Hey, you know.
>> Well, no, but it is
[46:11] » you can't see the traffic.
>> The vehicles can't see the pedestrians.
[46:15] The pedestrians can't see. Well, we've
got we've got a history in this town of
[46:19] non- enforcement.
>> Right. So that's what I would I would
[46:23] ask that now that we have a fully
staffed well we will have a fully st
[46:27] that you know we do insist on a little
bit more enforcement or a lot more
[46:30] enforcement to go along with what we're
trying to do because you know Park
[46:34] Street that's first and foremost in
terms of the safety. I understand
[46:39] Warrington too but we just have people
crazy drivers. Pasco is 30 m an hour and
[46:45] that's like totally straight compared to
warrant and you can see down here this
[46:49] is 35 miles an hour and there is no
sight line
[46:53] » maybe with a narrow road it's going to
it would um go hand in hand with a
[46:59] slower
>> well that's the theory I've read about
[47:00] the slowing effect whatever um I've also
seen I mean there's 18 legos coming down
[47:06] here
>> but this is a town road like Orion can
[47:10] maybe we
>> I'm trying to remember right now on how
[47:12] we can reduce the speed limit right now.
>> There's a way we can look at
[47:17] » my town wants to reduce the speed limit
on my rural road. What action do I have
[47:20] to undertake to reduce the speed limit
on my main non-main designated speed
[47:25] limit road?
>> We we've got an internal procedure on
[47:29] how that's done and I think it's done
with the police department, but we have
[47:32] to dig into that. I don't have that
information off the top of my head,
[47:36] » but you know, I did look into that.
somewhere in the plan said specifically,
[47:39] you know, they're gonna Oh, traffic
calming, right?
[47:42] » So, they're gonna rely on that and
they're not gonna reduce speed. That's
[47:45] what it said.
>> Yeah.
[47:46] » So,
>> I think the other piece to think about
[47:49] is like um you know that little pathway
that people have typically gone down and
[47:55] and is there a way maybe out of Glen
Cove that a path down to the beach could
[48:02] be had as a
>> that's public access over there,
[48:05] » right? be way more parking, way more
safer parking over there.
[48:09] » So, access Gleno from that little strip,
the parking area. Yeah, that I mean, if
[48:14] that's public property, you know, it's
town own property.
[48:17] » Sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
>> Yeah.
[48:19] » I mean, they got the park in there. I
mean, people already,
[48:21] » you know, might need to a stairway and
definitely through some shrubbery.
[48:27] » Then you get shoreland zoning perhaps
issues and disturbing vegetation.
[48:31] » They can get in there with a staircase.
and it's been talked about. We just
[48:36] haven't had the the um we haven't come
to the select board and said, "Let's do
[48:40] it."
>> Make a mental note of it because we
[48:42] actually have a plan that the town paid
for a long time ago for that.
[48:46] » Oh, do we?
>> Yeah. ever came home.
[48:50] » And I'm sort of surprised that the
people that own that strip of land where
[48:55] people um access where
>> I would be surprised they could even buy
[49:02] homeowners insurance because man once
you know it's not a it's not stairways
[49:06] it's sort of craggly little deal someone
falls and you know hurts themselves. Oh
[49:11] my god.
>> Help eliminate the parking there so
[49:13] people won't be as inclined to do it.
And if we something in Glen Co that just
[49:18] relocates the people to a much more
suitable location
[49:21] » and safer as we know they're trying to
get people to relocate this place.
[49:25] » But if there's there's four or five
shoot them alone,
[49:29] » but the thing is if it's easy easier
access.
[49:32] » Well, if there's an alternative. Yeah.
Yeah.
[49:34] » Because like I said, people can go there
for decades, you know. That's what they
[49:37] do. They bring their family
>> there facilities there. There's
[49:41] » tables and stuff. Yeah.
So in in the sake of time I do want to
[49:45] go over the capital program projects but
I also don't want to diminish anything
[49:49] else you know.
>> Well first of all thank you very much
[49:51] for the opportunity
>> the feedback and hope it has some sort
[49:54] of uh activity for you reinforce our own
beliefs.
[49:59] » Yeah and and it it we do appreciate your
you know you coming and talking about it
[50:03] because
>> we did want to have a meeting and um we
[50:07] just couldn't go we didn't have enough
information and here we are in April.
[50:11] So,
>> well, the homeowners
[50:12] » sorry that that it happened this way.
>> Well, the neighbors that I talked to one
[50:16] that's here, you know, and but the ones
that I talked to, uh, you know, they're
[50:20] not very happy, you know. So, if you're
interested in try to keep good relations
[50:24] with the residents of this town, you
might consider putting something in the
[50:27] mail beyond the beyond this is what
we're going to do.
[50:32] » Explain what you did.
>> Does this feel different than when you
[50:36] came in?
[50:40] It does have to have any feedback.
>> Yeah, sure. And uh if you haven't been
[50:45] to Warren in a while, see, you know, now
it's not really represented. It's winter
[50:49] time, so you know, the pedestrian
traffic's down. The vehicular traffic is
[50:53] down. Soon as you get the warmer
weather, you know, they can walk down.
[50:57] You'll see what I mean.
And uh I think I I think you will agree
[51:02] that
the complete street policy
[51:07] is not a very good fit as it exists
for or warranted street per se
[51:14] » the way it's perceived maybe.
>> Well, it is. I just think I think it's
[51:19] going to be less safe. I mean,
>> okay. So I I don't want you to have the
[51:23] takeaway that the complete streets
policy is
[51:27] um I guess that this warranted street is
the product of the complete streets
[51:31] policy because it was not the warranted
street is pretty much already done
[51:36] included in the budget process was on
its way and in that process the complete
[51:39] streets policy was formed you know it
was being tried to be applied so it it's
[51:44] not a true reflection of it
>> but aspects of it are
[51:47] » aspects of it are and pretty much is the
paint of what we can operate with within
[51:51] balance. So,
>> you know, [clears throat] taking 5T of
[51:54] people's property, that's not repaving.
>> I would say we're we're not taking
[51:58] anybody's property or operating within
the right of way.
[52:01] » Okay. Well, using whatever verb you wish
that people are going to lose their
[52:05] access to what they have been perceiving
to be their property for, you know, 50
[52:09] years, what they've been mowing, you
know.
[52:11] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[52:12] » So, yeah, no one's arguing the you know,
the city has the absolute authority to
[52:16] come in there with a bulldozer. Okay. No
one's arguing that. But have a little
[52:19] courtesy, a little respect. Yeah. You
know, explain the situation that's going
[52:23] on. Why their mailbox is getting moved?
You know, you know, what's with this
[52:26] pathway? No one knows anything about
this. How come the sidewalks getting
[52:29] removed? You know, Dr. Guy yesterday
said, "No, no, I'm not going to take out
[52:32] the sidewalk." I said, "Yes, they are."
>> You know, and he's been there for he's
[52:36] been on every committee in this town
over the years.
[52:39] » Who is that?
>> I'd rather not say cuz I have a feeling
[52:41] you wouldn't want me to say cuz he's had
enough.
[52:45] » He's been there, done that. But he has a
piece of sidewalk in front of him. It's
[52:48] not. No, he does not. But he's on the
other side of the street.
[52:51] » Oh, he's on the other side. Okay.
>> But he's you know, he knows all about
[52:54] » Yeah. I didn't think that it was getting
widening widened on the other side.
[52:58] » It's not not It's not getting Well,
according to Mr. Young, um it's not
[53:05] getting widened on the cove side.
>> It's the other side
[53:10] » where the where the sidewalk
>> Yes.
[53:13] » would [clears throat] continue.
>> The drainage is going.
[53:16] » Yeah. uh where the drainage is going.
Okay, that's so all that's you know
[53:20] that's not that's not routine paving.
That's a new project. It is it isn't and
[53:25] it's not on the project page and an
informed
[53:31] uh planning commission or department
that I think it should and it's never
[53:35] been I've checked a thousand times and
it's never been trying to get
[53:39] information about this has been like
nearly impossible
[53:41] » on the on the project page
>> on the town project.
[53:44] » Yeah. And
just just for clarity, I want to look at
[53:49] this just so I'm understanding you're
talking about here this project page.
[53:57] » Yeah, that's it, right?
>> Yeah. So, these are all like planning
[54:00] projects that that's what this has been
used for. This is the thing that I
[54:05] started with the commentator. I don't
disagree with you. If there's a new
[54:07] project, we should probably have it on
project page. But when it comes to
[54:10] capital improvement stuff, I don't know
how that translates to the website,
[54:15] especially when it's public works,
that's like a public work domain within.
[54:19] » Well, that sort of gets into the weeds,
you know, beyond my kids.
[54:22] » To your point though, of neighbors being
notified like like I think any projects
[54:26] going on within the area, the neighbor
should be notified so they're aware and
[54:29] informed
>> and and I think they should be formed
[54:33] just if it was just the storm drainage.
this going to, you know, I don't know
[54:37] how long this project's going to take.
This tree's got to be ripped up.
[54:40] [clears throat]
>> You know, we know it's a schedule, blah,
[54:42] blah, blah.
>> Which you would think would be a routine
[54:45] thing, right? But the pathway part, you
know, that we've all been talking about
[54:50] it's not that's not routine. That's
that's an that's a new project.
[54:53] » And again, you know, people, you know,
they lived here and, you know, they're a
[54:57] little they feel like they're getting a
little bit short shift here to be polite
[55:02] about.
>> Yeah. It's a shock. I get it. It's Yeah.
[55:05] So,
>> I'm sorry. Thank you,
[55:07] » but I understand all your points and I,
you know, support the whole complete
[55:11] streets thing because if it's if it's
affordable because of there's no
[55:16] » The hope is in [clears throat] a couple
years we see this nice pathway that goes
[55:20] all the way around. There'll be a
crossing in some visible area. They're
[55:25] no longer needing to go to the beach
there. they go from Glen Cove and and
[55:30] it's safer,
>> you know, that people are walking in a
[55:33] designated place rather than on the side
of the road and maybe the the speed
[55:37] limits reduced and I'd suggest maybe
reaching out to the property owner of
[55:42] that path.
>> Yeah.
[55:44] » You know, he might or she might be
immunable to having some sort of little
[55:50] fence barrier just, you know, to say,
"Hey, you know, it's down here now." I
[55:53] mean, I would if I own I wouldn't want
people walking across my land. They trip
[55:57] and falls. That's You know what?
It's sort of crazy.
[56:02] » Yeah.
>> Well, um, thanks everybody.
[56:06] » Well, don't go and join the committee.
>> Oh, [laughter]
[56:10] » it's good to have your perspective.
>> Oh, sure. And we appreciate that.
[56:16] » But it sounds like it's going to go all
go ahead.
[56:19] Sign, seal, and delivered. the street
the road project is going our pathways
[56:26] we don't even have it fully developed
yet.
[56:28] » Yeah.
>> And and what she was talking earlier
[56:30] about we were going to be meeting with
the task people. We had numerous
[56:34] discussions. Okay. Well, where do you
think we need? We really should do
[56:37] something well in advance to complete
for the street pathways project, but
[56:42] we're still on that planning part
>> for Warrington specifically. Well, as
[56:46] far as what we were doing, cuz we came
in late, you know, the the highway crew
[56:51] and all that stuff that public works,
that part they're doing, whether we
[56:56] wanted to do a pathway or not, we're
trying to improve it [clears throat] and
[57:00] we're coming in late to the game. Yeah.
>> But we had we talked about when can we
[57:05] get notices out to public because we
want to get their comments and we want
[57:08] to talk to them and actually have
physical inerson meeting possibly the
[57:12] site. that we were working on all that
kind of stuff, but things just got
[57:16] backed up to the point where this is
going ahead of us.
[57:21] » Well,
>> otherwise there would have been a lot of
[57:23] good
>> Well, it sounds like the infrastructure
[57:25] part of it the police policy, you know,
it's signs he'll deliver. It's part of
[57:30] the project.
>> Well, that's not
[57:34] you know, he's going to put in the path.
>> Well,
[57:38] » I know that's not
>> whatever they're doing.
[57:40] » That's not the entire complete street
statement. Not at all.
[57:43] » So Mike was at one meeting, so he's
missed all of our conversations about
[57:48] what potential pathways could be, you
know, like and all that. So I think he's
[57:55] his filter right now is about getting
Metro
[57:58] and
we need to do better at communicating.
[58:03] That's just the bottom line.
>> I think that's always a good idea. But
[58:06] from my conversation with him yesterday,
he he's certain what he's he's going to
[58:10] be putting in he's going to cutting
cutting five feet into the property.
[58:14] He's going to be putting the path and
you know uh he's not cutting 5t into
[58:19] propert.
>> He's cutting 5t in in from from the road
[58:25] into
>> so where the
[58:26] » into the ride of way
>> where the existing sidewalk goes. He's
[58:30] not cutting any more
into where the existing sidewalk.
[58:35] » Yeah. But so Ethan who doesn't have
sidewalk is potentially getting 5 ft.
[58:41] » Yeah. And sever most of my neighbors
because the sidewalk only goes like oh I
[58:45] said 150 ft and pump station is 1500 ft.
>> So this would continue that roughly the
[58:53] width of sidewalk would be continued
down to where there is no sidewalk is
[58:57] what I'm hearing. Well, I think the
sidewalk is not quite five feet, but a
[59:01] new ballpark.
>> Yeah. And
[59:04] » make it more uniform.
>> It would be uniform. I could flag it.
[59:07] » So, he's going to grade it.
>> Before you head out real quick. So, the
[59:10] capital improvement plan, we got a link
in the in the SharePoint, but it's also
[59:14] on the town website. If you go to
finance, click on finance, you'll go to
[59:19] capital improvement plan, and then it'll
list all the capital improvement plans.
[59:23] 2027 is the capital improvement plan
that I have up. And if we go to page 44,
[59:29] this has our paving schedule. So,
>> year one, that's this upcoming fiscal
[59:34] year. This is the streets that is going
to be looked at. Now, [clears throat]
[59:39] » what I discussed with Mike, it'd be good
for you all to look at them, but these
[59:43] are already budgeted for already in that
cycle. So, it's kind of like the
[59:46] Warrington Street here. That's it. We
can kind of put a gloss over to look at
[59:50] them, give some input. But the big one
that we're really going to be lifting up
[59:54] is this year 2 paving schedule. This is
the one where we really get to apply
[59:57] that. So we can reach out to the
butters, have those meetings with them,
[1:00:01] talk about all the stakeholders that are
involved, who got the time to do it,
[1:00:05] » and we can have those appropriate
meetings. Um, and really thinking about
[1:00:09] it the way it should be thought about.
So now within this, these are just in
[1:00:14] alphabetical order by the way. No line
of importance, but if you want to look
[1:00:18] at importance, probably go with the
number figure. So the Rockville Street,
[1:00:24] that one is the most expensive, and then
kind of work backwards from there. Um,
[1:00:28] and then from that specific one, we got
a mileage bit, but I don't have a start
[1:00:31] and end. So I was just thinking of that.
>> So at some point, we need like a start
[1:00:37] and end of what that mile point is for
Mike. So then we'll know that stretch,
[1:00:43] how does that look, how does that play
into the other areas and what can be
[1:00:47] done.
>> Well, but I I guess I don't understand
[1:00:50] where do we start? What's next on what
what
[1:00:53] » next would be next would be looking at
the year one. Okay. Well, identify
[1:00:57] those.
>> We won't be doing any one of these, but
[1:01:01] I I would like every one of them to be
looked at and just to say because it's
[1:01:04] like from a painting standpoint or hey,
there's another concern here that we
[1:01:08] just know that exists. Make sure you put
that into consideration.
[1:01:11] » So is this just to [clears throat] ask
this warranton street on here which is
[1:01:15] for fiscal year 27.
>> That's this project.
[1:01:18] » Oh that is this project.
>> So this is similar warranty street.
[1:01:21] These are already budgeted for. They're
going to happen. A lot of them have
[1:01:25] already been in the queue for bids. So
we're really just kind of looking at
[1:01:28] them from is there a major issue? Is
there something else? Is it just
[1:01:31] painting? Is it just some concern we
need to just keep in the back of our
[1:01:34] minds? What's that Main Street Canon
>> that this is this is the thing that I
[1:01:38] was alluding to. I don't know the exact
point to point. I just know Main Street
[1:01:44] came street to South Corner.52
miles. That's all I know. There's more
[1:01:50] to it. We can find it.
>> Oh, I bet that's Cam Rock to Simon
[1:01:54] Corner or something. Um Well, okay. So,
that's we need we need clarification
[1:01:58] from public works about exactly where
and when.
[1:02:02] » Yes.
>> Because Okay. So this is our chance then
[1:02:05] to make the road safer on that first
one.
[1:02:09] » On the first one, these are already
budgeted for. We can look at them
[1:02:12] similar to how we looked at Warrington
Street,
[1:02:14] » right?
>> Year two is really applying the complete
[1:02:17] streets where we kind of have those
stakeholder meetings with the budding
[1:02:20] land owners and anybody interested. So
we have everything that's of concern
[1:02:25] addressed.
>> Okay.
[1:02:27] » So field trips. [laughter]
>> Definitely. Definitely. I mean I think
[1:02:32] it's year two bit y'all really need to
put your put
[1:02:36] » so Lenny with the budget cycle coming up
year two if there's anything y'all need
[1:02:42] » we really need to think about it and
then that year one is really going to
[1:02:45] lean into that so that year one one
we're really going to be taking a lot of
[1:02:49] notes on these thinking about how could
we make this better and that's going to
[1:02:53] lead into the budgeting process for year
two
[1:02:55] » well you know looking back at what's
already happened yeah and saying what
[1:02:59] but we just the opportunity on well
Seeing as how communication's the
[1:03:04] primary thing, how do we get
communication from public works?
[1:03:09] » Yeah.
>> All out Warrington Street all of a
[1:03:11] sudden, boom. Like,
>> well,
[1:03:13] » going back up to fiscal year 27.
>> Um,
[1:03:18] who at public works is going to say,
"Here's what we've got planned for
[1:03:22] these."
>> That's that's where we're going to have
[1:03:24] meetings with Mike because it's Mike
right now. And then I don't know what
[1:03:27] engineering firm we're going to hire. I
don't understand that process right now,
[1:03:31] but there there's a process that exists
that we need to better understand which
[1:03:35] we'll understand with the year one
projects and then bleed that into year
[1:03:39] two and then we'll understand what is
needed.
[1:03:41] » Okay.
>> From a budgeting process that's going to
[1:03:44] be your mailers, your notifications
that's got a cost to it. So, it's going
[1:03:48] to be primarily that and then some
outside services just to kind of help
[1:03:52] with some opinions.
>> Outside services for what? If y'all
[1:03:56] think of a service that you might need,
you know, that could be a professional
[1:04:02] biking company, that could be another
planning service, that could be
[1:04:05] something
of an engineer, I don't know, [snorts]
[1:04:11] consultant.
>> Yeah.
[1:04:13] » And well, a lot of these roads are
smaller roads. I see that. Um, but
[1:04:18] nonetheless, they have people who live
on them and care about them.
[1:04:21] » Exactly. Um, one question
[clears throat] I didn't ask. I want to
[1:04:24] has there been a uh independent um like
safety survey regarding Warrington
[1:04:30] Street and the
>> uh like what we were talking about like
[1:04:34] the police safety reports that they do
>> uh not I don't know if it would fall
[1:04:39] into their purview but you know just uh
someone that would given what is
[1:04:45] apparently going to happen and the
effects if that is that going to be
[1:04:50] improving safety or not improving
safety. I see what you're asking. No. Um
[1:04:55] I don't think they do that. So that's an
item to keep on your mind.
[1:04:59] » An assessment basically a
>> existing conditions and then any
[1:05:04] proposed changes what that might likely
entail.
[1:05:07] » Yeah, maybe you know working with
Camden.
[1:05:11] » Um Camden, what's that? Mechanic Street.
You know where they put the sheriffs.
[1:05:17] » Oh great. Yes. and um and Norwood which
um they put fog lines so it's really
[1:05:22] like one width of a thing
>> right and so so you've done some
[1:05:29] experiments to kind of see how behaviors
changing
[1:05:33] » and there's no question that we see you
know everywhere where you narrow streets
[1:05:39] speed's going down
>> and we also know that when they're
[1:05:43] shared there is an increased awareness
and and so one of The things we know is
[1:05:49] there'll be signage. There will be
different colors so that it's when
[1:05:54] people see it, it's not going to seem
like it's just a wide shoulder, you
[1:06:01] know, but like so the idea is we're
looking at what the research around the
[1:06:05] country has shown for positive because
our main goal here is safety. Um and so
[1:06:12] I think um we know it's already heavily
used by pedestrians and it's not safe.
[1:06:19] So how do we make it safer
um given you know the situation that's
[1:06:25] there and so you know I think every
single thing you have brought to us
[1:06:30] today is going in and you know I'd say
the beach we have a I mean if we can get
[1:06:36] a better place to park and a better
access it takes care of that and then
[1:06:42] you know narrowing it reducing the speed
wider path that's going all the way
[1:06:48] around as Sam
those things. Well, maybe might just
[1:06:51] narrow the whole road. Yeah, I guess.
Why does it have to be wider?
[1:06:56] Yeah.
>> All right, everybody. Anything else?
[1:07:02] » Are we meeting next week?
>> Well, we're meeting with Camden. We have
[1:07:06] our quarterly Camdom meeting.
>> And I So, that survey that y'all are
[1:07:10] working on,
>> college survey. Yeah.
[1:07:13] » I looked over it. Looks fine. She made a
comment today. is it kind of made me
[1:07:18] wonder if she understands the structure
of like how committees work. So maybe
[1:07:21] just understand like committee works for
the select board. She just made a
[1:07:25] comment there but she'll be fine with
that. I'm sure um I think she just
[1:07:29] wanted to understand.
>> Okay.
[1:07:30] » Uh the survey and how it's structured. I
don't know if I like it. Fine with it. I
[1:07:33] think I'm on a good track. So keep it
up.
[1:07:36] » So yeah. So we should um get that out to
the
[1:07:39] » So we're saying on the 16th that's Yeah.
>> Now am I understanding that that survey
[1:07:43] is going to be used in the complete
street process whenever we got get a
[1:07:46] project reaching out?
>> No, I think it's a Isn't it a general
[1:07:50] survey?
>> It's a general survey. What the send out
[1:07:52] to the community to try to target areas
that people have concerns.
[1:07:56] » Okay.
>> No, that's you know
[1:07:59] » exactly what we perceive may be
different than the public. Well, that's
[1:08:03] sort of why I ask about the tribute
because that would be uh unbiased and
[1:08:09] done by, you know, people that have no
vested interest, you know, and it'd be
[1:08:13] an objective result and um I would be
surprised if they said it's going to
[1:08:17] make the safer. That's just that's my
opinion. You know, I think it'd be uh
[1:08:22] very helpful for the city to get an
independent opinion because like I said,
[1:08:27] when someone is mowed down,
there's going to be defense lawyers that
[1:08:31] are going to be asking all these
questions and when you have they don't
[1:08:34] have good answers, you know, we're all
going to be on the hook.
[1:08:38] » That's not a place we want. And we don't
I don't see anyone injured. That's long
[1:08:43] before the police streets I even heard
of it. You know, I see these people and
[1:08:49] they're attending their little toddlers,
you know, their little buckets and
[1:08:52] they're crossing more street and he's
like, "Yeah, these cars coming down.
[1:08:55] They can't even see him until they're
on."
[1:08:57] » Mhm.
>> And I just think it's a miracle that no
[1:08:59] one's been whacked yet.
That's um you know, my neighbor who's
[1:09:04] been on the plane board
uh shares that opinion, but I I don't
[1:09:09] really think
>> so. The traffic has picked up over the
[1:09:11] past decade, you'd say, and it's
growing. It's going faster along that
[1:09:16] road.
>> Uh I can't I don't I don't know. I don't
[1:09:19] know. I just there most people drive
it's 35. I go in that stretch about
[1:09:25] maybe if 30 you know because I'm just a
conservative driver like to be safe but
[1:09:31] you know vehicles you know speed limits
35 that means I can do 40 and never get
[1:09:35] a ticket. That's a fact. And
[clears throat] I can see how they come
[1:09:39] down that little hill
>> and and in the other direction when if
[1:09:43] there's an 18-wheeler and a speeding car
coming over that hill at the same time
[1:09:46] and there's people they don't
intermingle
[1:09:50] and
um I as much as I you know like I said
[1:09:55] I've been trying to get to the point
where I think oh this is great
[1:09:59] uh because it is inherently dangerous my
view and I just don't think this makes
[1:10:05] it staper you It's entire supposed to be
nor cars as nor bikes, pedestrians
[1:10:13] on a street with no distinction in the
level between the roadway and these
[1:10:18] pedestrians
and limited sight lines. And that's
[1:10:22] something that you know I don't think
it's overcomeable. That's the geography,
[1:10:27] you know, the that curve and that's just
that's just that part of war to that
[1:10:32] curve down the street. It's a almost
it's like a 70deree turn. Well, there
[1:10:36] was a you know there years ago it was
the standard that all roads in Rockport
[1:10:41] at least would be 18 ft wide for fire
trucks, right? So that's that's our
[1:10:46] emergency response
public safety why we have the roads that
[1:10:52] we do.
>> What's
[1:10:57] that April 16th was going to be our
meeting until we switched it to here.
[1:11:01] That's the one really the joint meeting
is the 16th.
[1:11:05] » But this one came from Orion.
>> Mhm.
[1:11:07] » Yeah.
>> He set it up first.
[1:11:08] » Oh, so that's okay. So we're hosting.
>> Yes. Okay.
[1:11:12] » Yeah. Are you able to be here then?
>> Yeah.
[1:11:14] » Okay.
>> I'd like I'd like to ask as you as you
[1:11:20] progress with your initiatives and the
comp plan that you keep us informed or
[1:11:24] if there's questions, raise that
question, especially through your select
[1:11:29] board member.
question.
[1:11:31] » If there's a question on the on the
eight topics that you're dealing with as
[1:11:37] a as a uh committee for the comp plan,
if please keep us informed if there's
[1:11:43] changes, okay,
>> things that need to be addressed. I want
[1:11:45] to make sure that we keep we're going to
go through the select board, keep them
[1:11:49] updated.
>> Yeah. And plus, I think we want to go to
[1:11:53] the select board in June. Um has anybody
made that request? Oh, Michael, remember
[1:11:58] we said we wanted to go talk
for the SLboard. We wanted to have our
[1:12:02] committee
and that would be after
[1:12:09] it would be June 10th. Remember
[1:12:16] » see could be
[1:12:23] » take my garbage pack.
>> Thank you. Appcate. Thank you, Orion.
[1:12:29] » I don't know who brought the chocolate,
but it was um
[1:12:32] » it was consumed. [laughter]