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We could all stand for
the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag
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and to the Republic
for which it stands.

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One nation under
God, indivisible,

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with liberty and
justice for all.

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All right welcome, everybody.

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Thank you.

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Here next item on our
agenda is public comment.

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This portion of the meeting
is specifically set aside

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for comments from the public,
who are asked to limit

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their comments to two minutes.

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Any person interested in
providing public comment via

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email should email public
meetings at Rocky Hill, ct.gov,

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prior to 4:00 PM on the day of
the meeting to have their public

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comment read into the record.

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Do we have anybody present
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a comment this evening.

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With number.

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Go, Charlie.

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Go right ahead.

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Go, Charlie.

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Step right up.

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Oh go ahead.

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Oh, OK.

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Sure somebody take a step.

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It's dreary outside.

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Let's get this going.

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This is dreary.

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Also, I have two pages to read.

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That's all very short, Charlie.

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Thank you, Mayor Smith
and the town council.

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Charlie sorry, but can you just.

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We know who you are, but
can you just say your name

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and address for the record.

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Thank you.

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Yes Charlie Wisniewski,
670 old Main Street.

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I thank you, Mayor Smith
and the town council

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for permitting me
to speak on March 2.

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I have public comments on the
public property, the veterans

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green and adjacent streets
without an opportunity

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to participate in an unfolding
process, to spend my tax money,

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to alter my neighborhood.

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I shout out the following.

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The bids are due tomorrow.

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Next, a winner
will be announced.

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Apparently there is
a selection committee

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required by the state SLR.

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Kelson rose, engineer,
was invited to bid.

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In my opinion, some of the
bid materials sent to them

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was created by them, including
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or concept sketch.

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Some language in
the bid package is

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similar to what was presented to
the town by SLR in March 2025.

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In my opinion, it
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that favoritism is present.

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This is borne out by the
difference in the cover emails

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to SLR versus the other
three targeted firms.

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In my opinion, there
has been unequal access

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to project information.

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SLR has worked with
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on the elements of the bid
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In my opinion, SLR had advanced
knowledge of the project's

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scope, as evidenced by multiple
proposals sent to the town,

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with adjustments based
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discussed with the town.

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Next issue is the
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welfare and public policy.

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In my opinion, the bid request
and the vision of the Veterans

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Memorial green, developed by
SLR and the town's engineer,

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does not incorporate the
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of the town.

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Why do I say that.

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Rocky Hill zoning
regulations and map establish

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the town center district.

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The 2025 plan of conservation
and development of rocky Hill

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significantly focuses
on the town center

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and the public policies of
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and slow speed streets.

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The town council passed a
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adopting a complete
streets policy,

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including language that
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including pedestrians
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So what is wrong with the
town SLR plan and narrative.

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It was created in 2024
without public input.

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It was created before the
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of conservation and
development, which states

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pedestrians, not vehicles.

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A high quality pedestrian
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pedestrian considerations
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vehicular considerations.

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The town SLR effort does not
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Assembly, Connecticut
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and Connecticut dot
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that a pedestrian safety
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in a town center zone.

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You, the town council,
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to lower the speed below 25.

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The town plan does not consider
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public safety subcommittee.

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On March 2, 2026 data were
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a daily average number
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at Main Street in
Garden Street of 2856.

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This is at the Northern tip
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There is no reason to believe
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is different on dividend road.

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What do I want.

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Do not jeopardize or
delay the $500,000

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for issues related to the
selection of a consultant.

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Express to the public
a means to participate

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in the process of the
evolution of our neighborhood

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in this specific
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for future similar situations.

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Do we need all this
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signs in traffic speed signs.

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Thank you Charlie.

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Thank you.

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Charlie do we have
somebody else.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you sir.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Chair Charlie.

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Glasses oh.

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Your glasses.

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Thank you.

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Hi, I'm Heather Taylor.

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I live at 50 Elm Street.

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I'm also right now the
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Congregational Church.

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Moderator means I
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as chairperson of the church.

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And it's in that capacity
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We are celebrating our
300th anniversary next year.

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So we're preparing for that.

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So we increasingly strive
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as a community center and
a resource for people,

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all residents of rocky
Hill, not just members

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of our own congregation.

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So we've had several
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and other educational events and
things which have been great.

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We love the fact that
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center is a place of vibrancy.

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Walkability has improved.

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We have bike racks now at
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So our church is in favor of
things that bring vibrancy

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and a sense of community to this
area of town, the town center.

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And to that end, I would
love to see the town amend

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its public arts policy to
consider proposed art projects

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that could take place not
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but also in this area of town.

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We would love the increased
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and sense of community that
could be possible if art

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like that was considered.

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Thank you, thank you.

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Hey, check 40 Riverview road.

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Excuse me.

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Pencil Casino.

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Casino oh, sorry.

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Wrong wrong paper.

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Wrong that was.

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I'm speaking for
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Alexis ciccarello.

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She wrote a statement,
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her statement into the record.

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So, Alexis ciccarello,
40 Riverview road.

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I'm here today as a
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now as the program director
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Society and as a member
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group, the Hillside players.

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I have lived in Rocky Hill for
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there has been little
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and public art policy.

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I believe it's about time that
we champion the arts in Rock

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Hill and commit ourselves to
supporting Arts Initiatives

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such as the pride crosswalk.

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Also, we must push for
development that centers

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on the needs of rocky Hill.

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The Rock Hill community
in regards to designing

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shared public space.

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I believe rocky Hill
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I would like to encourage you
today to consider and adopt

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the revisions to the
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arts policy as it stands today.

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It is really a crosswalk
policy and not an arts policy.

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By expanding it to include
additional locations in town

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and including works of
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it will truly be a
public arts policy.

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No doubt public art is crucial
to the vitality of a town.

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As it is a means to
enlivening its streetscapes,

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to developing a
distinctive sense of place

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to stimulating economic
growth and to increasing

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the visual quality of the
environment for its townspeople

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and visitors alike.

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It is a proven fact
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of public art to the well-being
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Therefore, I urge you to
please pass the revisions

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to the Rocky Hill arts policy.

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Thank you for your
consideration and support

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of the arts in Rocky Hill.

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And if I just may go
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I do support everything.

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Charlie was is talking about
and I remember I came here,

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I don't a couple of months ago
perhaps complaining a little bit

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about the communication
in regards

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to people from the council
and staff getting in touch

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with people from the podium.

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And I just want to say over
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I really appreciated the folks
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Who you are, and I look forward
to communicating with all of you

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in the future.

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Thanks Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Do we have anybody else.

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Anybody else.

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Step up to the podium.

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Hi, my name is Frank shank.

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I live at 121 Pebblebrook
drive and that's in Rocky Hill.

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Hi, Alan.

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How you doing today.

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Hello anyway, I wanted
to talk about the Rocky

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Hill arts policy.

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Art is really good
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and it has to be
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I think what people could
see it and stuff like that.

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But what I think is not good to
be on public buildings or school

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buildings and stuff like that.

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But in the buildings I
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The hallways, the
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you walk into school,
something like that,

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but not on the building.

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So I think everyone that lives
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house, I don't think they're
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aren't made to be painted.

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But anyway, that's
what I want to say.

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Thank you for my consideration.

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All right.

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Hello Mary Beth for
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I'm here tonight to share some
thoughts on the public art

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in Rocky Hill.

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I read the four page artwork
policy adopted on November 1,

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2024, and from
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struggled to find any language
that described art and a process

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to inspire people in town
to create something that

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defines us and inspires us.

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As members of rocky
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the definition of artistic
having or revealing

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natural creative skill.

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Aesthetically pleasing
art is the result

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of people who create,
imagine, invent,

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and express feelings emotions.

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Art is an aesthetic.

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It can be beautiful.

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It can be inspirational.

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The policy.

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As I read it, the statement
in the first paragraph

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says that public art is a
catalyst for social interaction

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and education, and I agree.

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But what about
imagination, inspiration,

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creativity and beauty.

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We need our residents to help us
define who we are with our art,

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and then have people think
about who we aspire to be.

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The policy says our
public art can only

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be painted on crosswalks,
sidewalks, and parking lots

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located in public parks.

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Why is this the only idea that
the writers believe is art.

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I imagine that public art can
be a beautiful sign that is seen

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in the location where it
stands in a park or a garden,

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or planters of
beautiful flowers.

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Public art can also be
inside town buildings,

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as the gentleman said.

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Pictures painted by
residents of all ages.

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I'm sure that our town
school buildings display

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art on the walls,
on bulletin boards,

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and maybe outside as well.

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The second paragraph under
this policy under purposes,

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says the policy talks about
procedures and guidelines.

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It says that the
purpose of this policy

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is to establish
rules and regulations

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as an expression of the town's
official government speech.

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Is that all we are.

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Is that how we want our elected
leaders to invite our residents

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to open their imaginations
and to reflect

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on who we are in Rocky Hill
and who we aspire to be.

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How do we inspire our neighbors,
friends, and elected officials

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to be inventive, to
think out of the box,

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to bring beauty and
inspiration to our her home.

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How can our community
members step

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forward to engage in creative
and imaginative ideas.

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The policy.

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Policy does not say.

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Instead, it repeats that
art can only be considered

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on crosswalks, sidewalks
and parking lots,

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and that the town
may reject proposed

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artworks for any reason.

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Is that really what we
want to tell our residents.

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The next part of the policy,
under preliminary review

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of requests and suggestions,
says that the town staff will

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review the requests
or suggestions,

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and once it is
approved by the staff,

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the town council can weigh in.

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I suggest that the town council
should look at the ideas brought

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forward from townspeople first,
or maybe an ad hoc committee

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of townspeople to enable a
safe and encouraging group

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of residents to share the
thoughts and ideas from artists

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who come forward with an idea.

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It is not easy for creative
people to share their ideas.

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There should be a group of
people who will hear and see

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their neighbor's
artwork, and come

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to a polite and heartfelt
response to someone's art.

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A collaborative
group of neighbors

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may help to inspire each other
to produce the final product,

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or simply to enable
those who are

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interested in putting their
ideas forward without the fear

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or pain of rejection.

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The last sentence in
the policy is the town

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may order the removal of or
may remove the public artwork

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after providing written notice
to the requester at any time,

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in its sole discretion.

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This is, I don't know what they
mean by town if it's the staff.

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Again, is this the kind
of language that reflects

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who we are in our
town, our leaders,

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our staff, and our neighbors.

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I hope that you will consider
replacing this policy

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in this town council, perhaps by
recruiting residents for an ad

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hoc public art committee
to hear and share ideas,

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to invite residents to
participate in this effort.

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People who will
encourage and inspire us

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all on how to beautify and
inspire our town as a reflection

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of who we are and who we aspire
to be as neighbors and friends

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in Rocky Hill.

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And I just wanted to
mention here about enhancing

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our parks and public spaces.

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When I visited the
town's website,

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I found it challenging to locate
a comprehensive list of all

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the parks and our public farm.

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This highlights
the need for better

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visibility and recognition
of these valuable community

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resources.

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In addition, incorporating
historic markers

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throughout our parks would not
only provide useful information

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but also add an attractive
element to these spaces.

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Beyond markers, there
are other ways to make

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our parks more inviting.

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And engaging.

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For example, adding flowers,
benches or picnic tables,

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especially if they are painted
in bright, Cheerful Colors,

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could significantly enhance
the beauty and appeal

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of our public spaces.

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These improvements would
encourage more residents

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to enjoy our parks
and foster a greater

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sense of community pride.

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I also think some
residents would

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appreciate having the chance
to help with the beautification

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efforts.

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I know that in other
towns like Wethersfield,

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they have garden clubs who
volunteer in different areas

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of the town to maintain
and clean up gardens that

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are near the road or whatever.

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So anyway, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else.

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OK thank you.

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Yeah Allen Bagley,
12 Esther road.

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I'm speaking in front
of the town council

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for the second time
on the same topic.

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It's an important topic to me.

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I was an art history major for
reasons I can't fully explain,

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but I was.

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And my neighbor at Florida
State in Tallahassee

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was a philosophy major,
and we shared a terrace,

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and he taught me about
Maslow's hammer, otherwise

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known as the golden hammer.

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If all you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail.

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This means you're
only using one tool.

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You need more tools.

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Or it's a cognitive bias to
think that you only need one

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hammer to cultivate diverse
skills would be a better

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solution to encourage
teamwork is a better way,

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and to question whether the
current approach is the best.

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And I'm here to ask if
the policy for Rocky

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Hill Public arts is the best.

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On March 2, at the last
town council meeting,

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it was asked, has anyone asked
for a change in this policy.

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It's like Groundhog Day.

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Last time I was here, I asked
for a change in this policy.

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People came up and asked
for a change in this policy,

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and it was maybe
people weren't fully

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listening to public comment.

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It's on the minutes recorded
by Ray's new robot machine

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that every verbatim,
word is stated.

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And you could read back
that yes, people have asked.

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I'm going to go through fairly
quick speed round of what Rocky

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Hill arts now is, through some
touchstones and highlights

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of a group of residents
that's founded in January

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2, 2025, not yet named.

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That was about 60 weeks ago that
we've been meeting once a month.

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Mission statement to promote,
enhance and support art

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in the rock in Rocky Hill to
the benefit of the community

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by creating access to art
and meaningful public spaces,

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bases, I emphasize
plural spaces.

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April 27, we had a
publicly announced launch.

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I saw some of you here.

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Thank you for attending.

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Rocky, let's now meet
the artist and announce

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that we are fully formed, LLC.

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We raised $180.

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Mona every dollar helps.

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On June 24, a publicly
announced presentation

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by Connecticut Department
of Transportation

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on I-91 exit realignments.

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Everyone knows I call
that the Taco Bell exit.

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The project manager
is David Santini.

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Present at that
meeting was mayor

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Lisa Marotta, town
engineer Steve ray,

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town manager ray Carpenter.

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It's where the greetings
from Rocky Hill Public art

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was proposed by Mr. ciccarello
in a public setting.

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It's a project that I support.

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On the 11th of September, 2025.

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In a publicly
announced meeting, we

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were asked by the
Friends of the Library

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to talk about who we are.

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What is Wrike arts.

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Now who are we and what
are our objectives.

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30 people attended that meeting.

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We spoke about our
objectives being

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public art in public spaces.

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December 20 of 2025 at a
publicly announced meeting.

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Excuse me and the
community center,

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we hosted a feedback
on the design

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and location possibilities.

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Plural on January
20, 2026, here I

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stood before you
in public comment

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supporting changes
to the policy.

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On March 2, 2026.

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Discussion possible action
about public art policy when

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again, it was asked
has anyone asked

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for a change in this policy.

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March 9, 2029 and winding
down rocky arts now last met.

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We met again with our artist
and his representation

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business manager.

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We talked about costs.

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We talked about multiple
options on locations.

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Here a little dovetail to the
I'm a proof of concept person.

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I understand you want to try
something before it works.

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It's upwards of $9,000
to paint a crosswalk.

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We're not going to
do it flippantly.

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So proof of concept throw $9,000
into a project to say if it

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works, we're going to do a
project that we believe in fully

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on March 16 today at this
town council meeting,

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I ask you to please
accept the changes

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to the public arts policy.

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And with that, I bid you adieu.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else.

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All right.

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Good evening.

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Good evening, Sean Boyle,
eight Woodhaven road.

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My comments tonight are
specifically around the debate

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within this council
on whether or not

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to allow painting,
decorating of murals,

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street art or the
themed messages

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on publicly owned assets.

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I want to start
by making it clear

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that my position in
forthcoming comments

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are not about opposing any group
or individuals in our community,

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as I believe every
resident deserves

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the respect and
freedom to express

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their views and their opinions.

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The question before
you, however,

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is about the proper use of
publicly funded property

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and the role of you all
as our local government.

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Our towns, buildings,
roads and public spaces

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are paid for and maintained
by all taxpayers.

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They belong equally
to every resident,

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regardless of their political
views, social causes, beliefs,

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or religious convictions.

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Because these spaces
belong to everyone,

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they shall remain neutral.

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Civic spaces no, not platforms
for groups or the government.

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Endorsement of particular
causes or ideology.

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The Rocky Hill
Community is made up

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of people with many different
backgrounds and beliefs.

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While some residents
may strongly

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support a particular proposed
image, message, logo, or flag,

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others will certainly
disagree with it.

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Maintaining neutrality in
our public infrastructure

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ensures that all residents
feel equally represented

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by their local government.

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Of course, any social
group or private individual

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has the right to solicit private
residence and private businesses

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to promote their cause.

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Those individuals or
businesses, of course,

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have their right to display
any colors or logos or symbols

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that they deem
appropriate or they

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support on their private home
or their private business.

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That is entirely the appropriate
place for such expression

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of their support.

519
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:44,770
However, publicly
funded property

520
00:25:44,770 --> 00:25:48,850
should be treated differently
once government in this council

521
00:25:48,850 --> 00:25:52,530
may move forward by allowing
public spaces and assets

522
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:55,290
to promote a cause
are actually creating

523
00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:59,730
a precedent for future
councils to allow other causes

524
00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:02,010
as well to follow
suit, which may be more

525
00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:04,890
in line with their base and
their support, some of which

526
00:26:04,890 --> 00:26:08,330
may be far more
controversial or diverse.

527
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:09,610
For these reasons,
I respectfully

528
00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:11,130
believe that our
public buildings, roads

529
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:13,770
and infrastructure should
remain neutral spaces

530
00:26:13,770 --> 00:26:17,400
and that belong equally
to everyone in this town.

531
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,460
Thank you.

532
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:21,060
Thank you.

533
00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:22,940
Do we have anything else.

534
00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:23,720
Anyone else.

535
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,400
I mean, Daniel, you have some.

536
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,700
Yeah, I have a few to read.

537
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:32,660
First, Lisa Gilbert,
7:30 Elm Street.

538
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:35,020
Dear members of the
Rocky Hill town council.

539
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:36,860
I am writing to
express my opposition

540
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:39,540
to the proposal allowing
murals on public buildings

541
00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:41,260
in the town of rocky Hill.

542
00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:44,420
Public buildings are owned
collectively by all residents

543
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:45,640
and should remain neutral.

544
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,780
Civic spaces.

545
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:49,260
Unlike private property,
municipal buildings

546
00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:51,260
represent the entire
community and should not

547
00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:54,740
be used to display permanent
artistic or expressive works

548
00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:58,740
that may reflect particular
viewpoints, styles, or messages

549
00:26:58,740 --> 00:27:01,220
that not all residents support.

550
00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:03,420
Establishing a policy
that permits murals

551
00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:08,340
on public buildings also creates
long term governance challenges.

552
00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:12,120
Decisions about which artwork
is appropriate, who selects it,

553
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,790
and how disagreements
are handled

554
00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:17,390
can quickly place town officials
in the position of arbitrating

555
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:19,110
artistic expression.

556
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:21,350
Once murals are
permitted, it becomes

557
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:23,510
difficult to apply
standards consistently

558
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:28,390
or avoid claims of favoritism
or viewpoint discrimination.

559
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:31,390
There are also practical
considerations.

560
00:27:31,390 --> 00:27:34,850
Murals require ongoing
maintenance, restoration,

561
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:37,110
and in some cases, removal.

562
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:40,110
These costs ultimately
fall on taxpayers

563
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:43,710
and create obligations for
future town administrations.

564
00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:45,950
Public facilities
should primarily

565
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:48,210
serve their intended
civic functions,

566
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:51,310
rather than becoming canvases
that require continuing

567
00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:53,390
oversight and funding.

568
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:56,950
Rocky Hill can support local
artists and cultural expression

569
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:58,990
in ways that do not
place permanent artwork

570
00:27:58,990 --> 00:28:01,670
on municipal buildings,
encouraging murals

571
00:28:01,670 --> 00:28:05,210
on private property,
supporting local arts programs,

572
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:10,270
or designating voluntary,
voluntarily community art

573
00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:14,720
spaces bases would allow
artistic expression to flourish

574
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,200
while preserving the
neutrality and purpose

575
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,120
of public infrastructure.

576
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,840
For these reasons,
I respectfully

577
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,040
urge the town council to
reject policies allowing murals

578
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,960
on public buildings and to
instead pursue Arts Initiatives

579
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,920
that do not place
the town government

580
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,360
in the position of
selecting or endorsing

581
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,400
permanent artistic displays.

582
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Thank you for your
consideration and your service

583
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,480
to the residents of rocky Hill.

584
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,840
Next is Valerie tribelets
of two Belden lane.

585
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,760
Dear council members, I am
contacting you to support

586
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,240
the proposed changes to
the public artwork display

587
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,560
policy allowing art to
be displayed and created

588
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,560
outside of our public parks.

589
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,200
Art by nature is meant to
be displayed and accessible

590
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,400
to everyone and by everyone.

591
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,760
When you think of the
most vibrant and connected

592
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960
communities in the
world, art is always

593
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,170
part of that equation of shared
humanity, meaningful messaging

594
00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:14,010
and appreciation for beauty.

595
00:29:14,010 --> 00:29:16,490
Those communities draw
people to them with a sense

596
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:18,410
of openness and creativity.

597
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:20,230
When I walk through
our town center,

598
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:23,170
I want to feel the
vibrancy of life.

599
00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:26,130
Please approve the changes
to the public artwork

600
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:27,870
policy for our community.

601
00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:30,570


602
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,690
Next is Tony Socolow.

603
00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:36,530
My name is Tony Socolow
and I reside at 58

604
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:38,950
Jennifer's way in Rocky Hill.

605
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:41,370
I'm sorry that I will be
unable to attend the March

606
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:42,950
16 town council meeting.

607
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:45,690
However, I would like
to provide my support

608
00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:48,610
for a change in the
town's public art policy

609
00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:50,090
with this email.

610
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:53,890
I feel previous administration
was not really on board

611
00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:57,490
with the spirit of this
policy, and as a result,

612
00:29:57,490 --> 00:30:00,050
they produced a policy that
was too constrictive in how

613
00:30:00,050 --> 00:30:04,490
we could incorporate and enjoy
public art within our community.

614
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:07,050
My interpretation of
the current policy

615
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:12,580
seems to restrict art to just
parking spots and public parks.

616
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:16,860
That's just so draconian
and unfortunately typical

617
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:19,660
of the current
Republican philosophy.

618
00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:21,660
I am fully supportive
of the public art

619
00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:26,740
policy that would expand where
public art would be permitted.

620
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:30,200
That would encompass not
only any crosswalks in town,

621
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,020
but also allow sculptures
and murals to add

622
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:34,740
to the beauty of rocky Hill.

623
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:36,920
Towns such as West
Hartford and Middletown.

624
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,340
Enjoy public art, and it
brightens up the community.

625
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:42,160
I'd like to see that here, too.

626
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,220
I trust our current
administration

627
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:47,680
and its appropriate committees
to provide the needed checks,

628
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,460
balances and
criterion to provide

629
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:52,740
for responsible
public art that will

630
00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:54,860
enhance and beautify
our community

631
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:58,020
and make it more
fun place to be.

632
00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,780
Thanks, Tony.

633
00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:04,740
Next is Laurie boskey
of 18 Highland street.

634
00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:07,230
I am writing in support
of the recommended changes

635
00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:09,430
in the public arts policy.

636
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:12,150
The current policy as
written, is restrictive.

637
00:31:12,150 --> 00:31:16,330
Public art is accessible to
all, stimulates conversation,

638
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:19,430
connects communities, and
can turn concrete spaces

639
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:21,350
into inviting locations.

640
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:23,150
The proposed
changes would expand

641
00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:26,310
locations and provide
opportunities for many members

642
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:27,410
of our community.

643
00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:29,990


644
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:34,710
Next is Susan Lennon.

645
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:38,390
Dear members of the Rocky Hill
town council, I am writing you.

646
00:31:38,390 --> 00:31:40,110
In writing as a
rocky Hill resident

647
00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:43,670
to support expanding the
town's public art policy so

648
00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:45,870
that community art
projects can be proposed

649
00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:48,310
in more locations and forms.

650
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:52,170
Public art contributes to
a community's identity,

651
00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:56,790
encourages civic pride, and
creates spaces that invite

652
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:58,830
connection and creativity.

653
00:31:58,830 --> 00:32:01,710
As the policy itself
recognizes, public artwork

654
00:32:01,710 --> 00:32:04,600
can serve as a catalyst
for social interaction,

655
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,800
education, and cultural
enrichment for residents

656
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,280
and visitors alike.

657
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,400
However, the current policy,
adopted in November 2024,

658
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,400
is so narrowly structured
that it effectively

659
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
limits public art to painted
crosswalks and parking

660
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120
spaces within parks.

661
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,860
Within those are
interesting ideas.

662
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:26,440
They represent only
a very small slice

663
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,400
of what the public art can be.

664
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Some have suggested that
the lack of applications

665
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,760
under the current policy
means there is little interest

666
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,520
in public art projects.

667
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080
In reality, the
opposite may be true.

668
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520
When a policy allows only a
very narrow type of project

669
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,120
in limited locations, it
signals that creative proposals

670
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
are unlikely to fit
within the framework.

671
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Community groups,
artists and organizations

672
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,280
are understandably
reluctant to invest

673
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,960
time developing ideas
when the possibilities are

674
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,480
so constrained.

675
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Expanding the policy
does not require the town

676
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,960
to approve every proposal,
nor does it remove

677
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,870
the town council's oversight.

678
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:06,010
It simply allows
ideas to come forward

679
00:33:06,010 --> 00:33:07,610
and be thoughtfully reviewed.

680
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:09,490
In other words,
Rocky Hill should

681
00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:13,450
not limit creativity before it
even has the chance to appear.

682
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:16,690
A more flexible policy would
show that the town welcomes

683
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:19,450
community participation
while still maintaining

684
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:21,810
appropriate review,
safety standards

685
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:23,970
and final approval authority.

686
00:33:23,970 --> 00:33:26,310
If we want public
arts in Rocky Hill,

687
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:27,990
we have to make space for it.

688
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:30,010
Thank you for your time
and for your continued

689
00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:31,270
service to the community.

690
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:34,610


691
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:39,290
Two more Lynn Tracy,
48 Church Street.

692
00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:41,610
Hello I am a local
artist and would

693
00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:46,030
be thrilled to see the arts
expanded within the community.

694
00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:48,810
There are many local
artists and musicians.

695
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:52,410
It would be great to have a
visual connection and a presence

696
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,210
in an active area of town,
where residents and visitors

697
00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:58,970
alike can appreciate and enjoy
displays of beautiful creations.

698
00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:00,620
Live acoustic music.

699
00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:04,520
Murals, decorative
and themed contests,

700
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,460
et cetera could offer
uplifting energy for the senses

701
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:10,120
and inspiration for our youth.

702
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,300
Thank you for consideration
of expanding the arts policy.

703
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:22,420
Lastly John Beatty
of 698 Maple Street.

704
00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:25,179
Dear rocky Hill
town council, I have

705
00:34:25,179 --> 00:34:27,920
been watching the town council
meetings on YouTube recently.

706
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,860
There have been
discussions about creating

707
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:32,540
beautiful artistic
portraits around our town.

708
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:34,540
On the surface, this
sounds wonderful

709
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:37,100
until one starts
asking adult questions

710
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,179
one what will this cost.

711
00:34:39,179 --> 00:34:40,860
The proponents say it's free.

712
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:43,739
Total costs include
administrative costs.

713
00:34:43,739 --> 00:34:45,480
Two where will they go.

714
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,280
It sounds like this
needs to be determined.

715
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,820
However, it sounds
like proponents

716
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:50,880
are eyeing
crosswalks, buildings,

717
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,139
and bridges so far three.

718
00:34:53,139 --> 00:34:54,560
Who will create this art.

719
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,460
Four who decides who
creates this art 5 who

720
00:34:58,460 --> 00:35:00,540
will decide the
specs of the material

721
00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:02,520
used on the artistic project.

722
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Six who will decide
content 7 who approves the.

723
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,540
Who approves the
concept among all

724
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:12,120
the competitive concepts eight.

725
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,280
Who will regulate
quality of content.

726
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,700
The quality of the artist nine.

727
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:20,260
Who will decide approved
locations of proposed artwork

728
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:20,900
10.

729
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,780
If applied content does
not match what was approved

730
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:26,380
or doesn't age well
due to material used.

731
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:29,620
Who is responsible
for removing it.

732
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:31,300
If I recall correctly,
the town council

733
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,180
spent months in the
previous year determining

734
00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:34,740
a policy for this artwork.

735
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:37,340
And to date, not one
project has appeared.

736
00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:39,100
Why are we doing this again.

737
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,660
Crosswalk safety.

738
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:43,220
During the debate last year,
I recall that some proponents

739
00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:46,500
suggested we artistically
paint the crosswalks

740
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:48,740
on one of the
numerous state roads

741
00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:50,980
that criss cross rocky Hill.

742
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:53,640
The state would not allow
this due to safety concerns.

743
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,540
My experience is that
paint on roadways

744
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:59,290
creates a very slippery
surface when it gets wet.

745
00:35:59,290 --> 00:36:01,410
This was best exemplified
in Middletown,

746
00:36:01,410 --> 00:36:03,110
when someone with
permission artistically

747
00:36:03,110 --> 00:36:06,070
painted an entire
intersection within Wesleyan

748
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:09,390
Wesleyan University
footprint several years ago.

749
00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:12,210
This happened to be one
of our bicycle routes,

750
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:14,430
and over the summer,
the road portrait

751
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:18,510
went from paint to covered
with sand to being milled up

752
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:19,650
and repaved.

753
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:22,870
By now, painting
crosswalks anywhere

754
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:25,090
is a valid safety concern.

755
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:27,950
Please note that any
official crosswalk

756
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:30,070
is painted in stripes,
leaving exposed

757
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:31,970
road using special paint.

758
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:34,430
Even artistically painting
a crosswalk in a town park

759
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:35,330
is dangerous.

760
00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:38,350
One may think the cars
are going to go slower

761
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:41,470
and there is less risk,
but imagine the young child

762
00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:43,330
that wipes out breaks an arm.

763
00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:46,510
Parents sue the town, citing
state crosswalk guidelines

764
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:48,370
and these exact conversations.

765
00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:50,950


766
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:54,070
Community artwork is our
town inadvertently stepping

767
00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:57,060
into a constitutional freedom of
speech, freedom of expression.

768
00:36:57,060 --> 00:37:00,900
Minefield art is certainly a
method of expressing oneself,

769
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,260
and someone in town Hall will
be regulating that message.

770
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:05,000
Do we really want
to be in that game.

771
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Hypothetically,
what happens when

772
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,220
the concept of the pro-hamas
message is not selected.

773
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:14,040
Personally, I am thinking about
the lawsuits that could follow

774
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,080
other negative consequences the
ill will for the person or group

775
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,000
not selected to be the artist.

776
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,340
Would we be inadvertently
be creating graffiti zones.

777
00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:25,120
This unwanted
artwork could either

778
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,320
be applied over the
approved artwork of adjacent

779
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,920
to the project.

780
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,360
When paint is applied
to textured surfaces,

781
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,040
it is there for good.

782
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,460
It is absorbed into all
the nooks and cracks.

783
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:39,400
Go to any city and
see the 100-year-old

784
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,800
advertisements on the side
of the brick building.

785
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Will the artist be responsible
for returning the Canvas

786
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,720
to its original condition,
if the project does not

787
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,100
meet the original plan cost.

788
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,160
Is the town going to pay
someone to manage all of this

789
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,760
and legal fees, of course.

790
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,770
In conclusion superficially,
community artwork.

791
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:59,410
Seems like a great idea.

792
00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:01,010
Unfortunately,
painting on the road

793
00:38:01,010 --> 00:38:04,170
creates a public safety concern
and potential liability.

794
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:05,930
Painting on
buildings could range

795
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:09,490
from downright ugly to expensive
constitutional lawsuits.

796
00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:12,410
Don't we already have a very
beautiful welcome to Rocky Hill

797
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:14,930
sign on all the
entrances of our town.

798
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:17,890
The previous administration
passed a well thought out

799
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:21,010
compromise policy last year.

800
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:22,970
I do not think we
need to spend any more

801
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:26,650
time debating a concept that to
date, no one took advantage of.

802
00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:29,010
Lastly, I was pretty
excited when Mayor Smith

803
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:32,130
won because he campaigned
on lowering taxes

804
00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:34,350
and growing the grand list.

805
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:36,730
According to budget workshops
and board of education

806
00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:39,930
estimates, it appears the budget
could grow between 5% and 10%

807
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:40,670
this year.

808
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:43,490
This is not what
we were promised.

809
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:47,150
My last point if this 5% to
10% estimate is accurate,

810
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:50,050
the town council should not
be wasting any resources

811
00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:52,740
on non-value added
liabilities and spend

812
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:54,940
that time trimming the budget.

813
00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:55,560
Thank you.

814
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,300


815
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:00,140
All right.

816
00:39:00,140 --> 00:39:03,340
Anybody else.

817
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:04,680
OK thank you.

818
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,100
And thank you, Daniel.

819
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,040
Moving on to item number three.

820
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Appointments and resignations.

821
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,500
I believe we do have
a couple appointments.

822
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,860
Councilor Prakash and I have
reviewed a couple of names

823
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:22,060
for alternate position for the
Affordable housing committee,

824
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:27,300
and we approved Ryan
jangle Ryan capital

825
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:31,120
Jang Le and Neha Thacker.

826
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:36,640
Any H, capital thak
ER as alternates.

827
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,580


828
00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:40,680
They're both alternates.

829
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,900
Yes per Kim Richey.

830
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:45,520
Yep anything.

831
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,500
Do you guys have anything.

832
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,820
We do not.

833
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,860
All right.

834
00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:51,550
Item number four.

835
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:57,990
Approval of Min of
approval of the minutes.

836
00:39:57,990 --> 00:40:00,030
I wasn't at that meeting.

837
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:00,850
Anybody else.

838
00:40:00,850 --> 00:40:01,890
Literally anybody else.

839
00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:06,310
Then minutes of the meeting.

840
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:09,630
Any discussion.

841
00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:10,590
All in favor.

842
00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:14,150
Aye abstention.

843
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:15,010
All right.

844
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:16,710
Any opposed.

845
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:18,670
And one abstention.

846
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:19,630
All right.

847
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:21,190
Subcommittee reports.

848
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:23,910
Finance and capital
improvements.

849
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:27,670
Councilor Emanuel, finance.

850
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:29,090
Terms of high level summary.

851
00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:30,950
Overall status on revenue.

852
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:33,230
Revenues are on target.

853
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:37,030
Tax revenues in line
with benchmark tracking.

854
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:38,430
We received the
second installment

855
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:43,230
of x money and town
aid road and pilot

856
00:40:43,230 --> 00:40:45,970
received a scheduled interest.

857
00:40:45,970 --> 00:40:51,240
Revenue is exceeding target,
but building permit fees

858
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,200
are a little behind
target, but the staff

859
00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:00,520
is continuing to monitor
expenditures are on target.

860
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,720
The only outlier is overtime
with the highway department

861
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,400
because of the storms.

862
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,440
They're doing so well on
that for a while, too.

863
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,240
Yes slid right in
tonight's agenda.

864
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,240
Consent agenda has two things.

865
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,280
One, the suspense list, which
we do pretty much every year.

866
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,480
This is.

867
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Uncollected taxes that
the collector must furnish

868
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,520
to the governing body
of the municipality

869
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520
for approval each year.

870
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:48,370
And so this year it
comes to $207,515.

871
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:54,570
The second item is a tax
refund and that's for Cisco.

872
00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:57,210
They actually paid
their tax bill twice

873
00:41:57,210 --> 00:42:00,410
so they're being refunded.

874
00:42:00,410 --> 00:42:02,810
One of their payments.

875
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:08,530
And that's finance
government ops.

876
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:11,090
We have a meeting on March 16.

877
00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:14,530
Schools they do not have
major project at this time.

878
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:17,770
Still waiting to hear back from
the state about Westfield roof

879
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:19,370
that they submitted.

880
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,810
Facility police
department generated

881
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:24,770
project is 100% completed.

882
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:28,850
Fire department fob system
projected is still ongoing.

883
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:30,170
Parks and rec.

884
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:31,110
Indoor pool.

885
00:42:31,110 --> 00:42:34,130
Boiler replacement will be
done in two to three weeks.

886
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:36,790
Dog park is open and
this is important.

887
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:40,050
They like to make this service
announcement that when you are

888
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:43,730
done using a field, please
pull your empty water bottle

889
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:45,940
and trash off the field.

890
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:48,820
Highway there is a
quick announcement

891
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:51,580
was put on town website
regarding the trash

892
00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:54,100
barrels and last
one is community

893
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:58,380
development about the industrial
park culvert replacement design.

894
00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:01,820
The consultant is preparing
to host a public information

895
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:04,260
meeting may be in March.

896
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:05,820
That's all for me.

897
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:07,460
Can I add.

898
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:12,420
Yeah they also said they
wanted everyone to please

899
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:16,040
stay off the fields until
April 1 because of the weather.

900
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,060
They want to give the chance
to grasp the chance for them

901
00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:20,940
to dry out and
the grass to grow,

902
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:23,680
because we want to have
nice fields for athletics.

903
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,440
So they also ask that
we stay off the fields.

904
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,940
I think you said trash,
but we want to make

905
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:29,500
sure everybody stays off.

906
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:32,540
Yeah did you mention
about the generator.

907
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:33,100
I did.

908
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:33,600
Oh, OK.

909
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,820
Sorry I missed that part.

910
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:36,800
I just leave it
up to you to say.

911
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,480
Yeah, right.

912
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,280
That's it.

913
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,060
Public safety.

914
00:43:41,060 --> 00:43:44,710
Public safety met
prior to this meeting.

915
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:48,190
And the fire department
for the fire department

916
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:49,930
they had for I 91.

917
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:53,470
They have 11 calls
so far this year,

918
00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:56,110
which is substantially
down from last year.

919
00:43:56,110 --> 00:44:00,350
And the chief attributes that
to a higher presence from state

920
00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:06,730
police They had 85 for total.

921
00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:09,990
They had 85 incidents
for the whole department.

922
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:16,230
In February they filled
the head mechanic position.

923
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:19,030
And they are in the
process of filling

924
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:22,750
the assistant mechanic position.

925
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:24,690
And I found this
pretty interesting.

926
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:32,270
They had three drone calls
for February and three calls

927
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:35,110
for their drone to
go somewhere else.

928
00:44:35,110 --> 00:44:43,000
I think it was I think it was
town three calls for our drone

929
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,100
to be used in town.

930
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:49,480
I know they bring it
to all kinds of stuff.

931
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,840
Yeah, it was just three.

932
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,160
It was just three
drone activations.

933
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,340
It was our drones, not
other drones coming in.

934
00:44:57,340 --> 00:45:00,360
Yeah three drone
calls is in UFOs.

935
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,440
No, no.

936
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,580
Yeah, right.

937
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:04,020
They would have said UFOs.

938
00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:04,900
They would have said UFO.

939
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:12,400
And then for the police
department, actually ambulance.

940
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,760
In total, they had
332 calls last month

941
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,060
between the VA and Aetna.

942
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:21,720


943
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:26,480
Our Aetna colleague wanted
to point out he appreciated

944
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,120
during the snowstorm that
station two was open for them

945
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,920
and they were provided food.

946
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,200
And they were very, very
appreciative of that.

947
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,050
For the police
department, they have

948
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:43,610
basically two open
positions are for patrol

949
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:45,730
that they're going
through there.

950
00:45:45,730 --> 00:45:49,330
Some applicant
backgrounds and they

951
00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:52,970
have a communications
position open that they're

952
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:55,230
going through interviewing.

953
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:58,930


954
00:45:58,930 --> 00:46:02,170
Health district Charlie
wasn't able to make it

955
00:46:02,170 --> 00:46:08,850
but forwarded some items
that I just wanted to share.

956
00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:13,610
So as of March 9, the
Northeast continues

957
00:46:13,610 --> 00:46:18,690
to detect high levels of COVID.

958
00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:27,170
But overall between in our area
between COVID, the flu and RSV,

959
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:32,450
it's substantially
down since January.

960
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:34,990
So that's a positive,
obvious trend.

961
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:45,260


962
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:49,820
We had a discussion on the
speed cameras and the vendor.

963
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:53,480
Which will be coming up on our.

964
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,780


965
00:46:57,780 --> 00:46:58,920
I think that will be next month.

966
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,420
It'll come up next month for
the Council for a vendor.

967
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:08,980
And then we also discussed on
scene media relations policy.

968
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:11,440
There's a few amendments
that are going to take place.

969
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,260
We'll finalize that next
at our next meeting.

970
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:19,380
And then that will come
to the council too.

971
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:20,780
That's it.

972
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:25,600
Thanks so where are
we at with the vendor.

973
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,620
With the traffic camera we
have that's going to go on.

974
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:31,020
Yeah, we have the vendor.

975
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:33,080
Well, it's going to
come to the council.

976
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,200
A vendor is going to come to the
council and present something.

977
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:35,960
Yeah next month.

978
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,720
Next month.

979
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:42,750
Next month, the subcommittee
forwarded the recommendation

980
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:44,590
to the town council.

981
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:48,630
So now is the town
council's turn.

982
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:51,350
OK, quick, can I just.

983
00:47:51,350 --> 00:47:54,250
You mentioned two patrolmen.

984
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:56,750
Is that the replacement.

985
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:58,990
One was promoted.

986
00:47:58,990 --> 00:48:00,210
Yeah OK.

987
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:03,330
And I think one was retiring.

988
00:48:03,330 --> 00:48:04,130
One retired.

989
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:04,890
One resigned.

990
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:05,890
Resigned resigned.

991
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:07,370
So it's replaced
its replacement.

992
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:08,290
It's not new.

993
00:48:08,290 --> 00:48:09,010
OK thank you.

994
00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:10,110
They're not added.

995
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:12,190
Good yeah.

996
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,990
Thank you.

997
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:16,510
Senior liaison.

998
00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:18,810
I reached out to
the two directors,

999
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:22,270
and they have nothing to
report for this meeting.

1000
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:26,750
Land acquisition and
farmland preservation.

1001
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:27,610
No report.

1002
00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:33,190
Our next meeting is
Tuesday, March 24.

1003
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:34,830
Liaison to the
state representative

1004
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:36,400
and State Senator.

1005
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:36,900
Thank you.

1006
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:38,820
Mayor I apologize in advance.

1007
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:40,200
It's a busy time of year.

1008
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,220
Representative would want
to share a few updates.

1009
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:44,100
She's been working on a lot
of different legislation,

1010
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,880
including stuff to expand
on felony protections

1011
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,760
around animal abuse.

1012
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,600
She's working on a bill aimed
at requiring affordable housing

1013
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,000
projects, using certain
construction methods to submit

1014
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,920
fire and life safety plans in
advance to local fire Marshals,

1015
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,200
and another that would expand
more affordable health coverage.

1016
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,800
Finally, she's actively
supporting the legislation that

1017
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080
would create a Connecticut,
India and Connecticut

1018
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,840
Germany Trade Commission.

1019
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,540
Our councilors testified
on those Bills last month,

1020
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:14,560
and they both were voted
out of committee favorably

1021
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,600
and are moving
through the process.

1022
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Senator lesser's recent activity
has reflected a broad focus

1023
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,600
on resident protection,
both here in Rocky Hill

1024
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,080
and across his broader district.

1025
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,920
For rocky Hill, that's
included continuing

1026
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,280
the public attention on
the concierge situation

1027
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,360
and tenant related concerns.

1028
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,400
But more broadly, his
recent public work

1029
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,390
has emphasized health
care, affordability,

1030
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:36,690
disability related
issues, and district

1031
00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:38,490
level community engagement.

1032
00:49:38,490 --> 00:49:42,130
As for us, I wanted to first
mention Minority Leader Whalen

1033
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:46,850
and councilor Emanuel and their
work on the Pa 490 working group

1034
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:47,870
at the state level.

1035
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:51,130
That work is critical to
farmland across the state

1036
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:53,090
and here in our town.

1037
00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:55,243
Since our last meeting,
several members of the Council,

1038
00:49:55,243 --> 00:49:56,510
along with the mayor
and deputy mayor,

1039
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:58,090
have continued our active
work at the Capitol

1040
00:49:58,090 --> 00:49:59,770
on bills that directly
affect rocky Hill

1041
00:49:59,770 --> 00:50:01,530
and municipalities like ours.

1042
00:50:01,530 --> 00:50:03,670
I want to highlight a couple
of testimonies that we did.

1043
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:06,090
One on Senate Bill 408,
which is about fire

1044
00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:08,130
safety inspections and
non-resident landlord

1045
00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:09,450
registration.

1046
00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:11,890
Mayor Smith, deputy
Thoreau and I submitted

1047
00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:14,230
written testimony on behalf.

1048
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:16,530
Well, at the request of the
Connecticut Fire Marshals

1049
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:18,850
association, because
one section of that bill

1050
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:20,530
closely tracked the
concerns we had already

1051
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:23,490
raised on other legislation.

1052
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:26,530
I'm also proud to report that
Mayor Smith and the entire town

1053
00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:29,450
council submitted bipartisan
testimony in support of House

1054
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:32,340
Bill 5501, and I
testify in person

1055
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:34,220
before the planning and
development committee on behalf

1056
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:35,980
of rocky Hill on that one.

1057
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:38,300
That bill would give towns
more practical flexibility

1058
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,420
in how we use our existing town
aid road funding for things

1059
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:44,180
like drainage, resiliency
work, vegetation management

1060
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:47,260
equipment and other preventative
infrastructure needs.

1061
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:49,880
I really want to thank Mayor
Smith, deputy mayor Thoreau,

1062
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,060
Minority Leader Whalen
and the entire council

1063
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:54,340
for speaking with one
voice on that issue.

1064
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:56,300
That kind of unity
does matter, and it

1065
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:59,280
shows that when we all
have common interests,

1066
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,060
we can lead with a big voice.

1067
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:03,540
So thank you for that.

1068
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:05,620
Lastly, committees
at the legislature

1069
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:07,680
are wrapping up their work
over the next couple of weeks.

1070
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,940
So the process is now
shifting from public hearings

1071
00:51:09,940 --> 00:51:14,860
to more complicated stuff on
how Bills end up on the floor.

1072
00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:16,620
Once a bill clears
committee, the process

1073
00:51:16,620 --> 00:51:19,980
becomes more structured, but not
necessarily more straightforward

1074
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:21,460
because leadership
decisions, timing

1075
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:24,620
and negotiations all start to
play a great deal of matter

1076
00:51:24,620 --> 00:51:25,500
in it.

1077
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,600
I'm monitoring dozens of bills
that could affect rocky Hill,

1078
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,170
including a lot of ones that
we haven't commented on.

1079
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:32,870
There's one before the
legislature right now

1080
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:35,870
that would restrict the kind of
data use around speed cameras

1081
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:37,370
and the types of stuff
we're talking about,

1082
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:40,430
so definitely keeping
a close eye on that.

1083
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:42,137
But I will keep working
with the mayor and others

1084
00:51:42,137 --> 00:51:43,770
to make sure that our
voice is heard in Hartford,

1085
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:45,830
and that the Bills that are
most important to our residents

1086
00:51:45,830 --> 00:51:48,110
keep at the front
of the discussion.

1087
00:51:48,110 --> 00:51:50,590
Thanks, thanks.

1088
00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:52,290
Can I just one thing.

1089
00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:53,830
Thanks, Zach.

1090
00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:59,430
Thorough report on when
Senator lesser mentioned

1091
00:51:59,430 --> 00:52:01,350
the concierge tenants.

1092
00:52:01,350 --> 00:52:03,110
I said it every time.

1093
00:52:03,110 --> 00:52:04,750
Let's not forget about the town.

1094
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:07,350
There's an expense to
the town that we are.

1095
00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:11,650
We are going to feel, so the
tenants get taken care of first.

1096
00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:14,730
But let's not end on that note.

1097
00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:17,090
I'm sure the mayor can speak
more directly about this,

1098
00:52:17,090 --> 00:52:18,410
but I know that
in the background,

1099
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:20,110
the attorney general's
office is continuing

1100
00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:23,350
to work on that second
element of the deal with them,

1101
00:52:23,350 --> 00:52:25,750
and that the conversations
have been ongoing.

1102
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:27,570
Our entire state delegation
has been on that.

1103
00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:28,330
Yep excellent.

1104
00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:30,620
I can and I can touch on
that later where we're at.

1105
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:34,720
Sure school liaison.

1106
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,220
The board of Ed did
adopt their budget,

1107
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:40,480
but they have not filed the
official budget with the council

1108
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:40,980
yet.

1109
00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:43,460
So I'm going to wait till we
get it so we can review it,

1110
00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:48,120
and then we'll give a full
report, hopefully next meeting.

1111
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:48,620
All right.

1112
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:50,040
Thank you.

1113
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,200
Consent agenda item number six.

1114
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,820
I'll entertain a
motion to approve.

1115
00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:59,560
I move approval of
the consent agenda.

1116
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,080
Second Any discussion.

1117
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,360
No discussion.

1118
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,240
Oh, yeah.

1119
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:06,360
OK OK.

1120
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,120
That's why you're here.

1121
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,280
All in favor.

1122
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,600
Aye Any opposed.

1123
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,040
Great thank you.

1124
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,320
All right, old
business, item number 7.

1125
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,780
Discussion possible action.

1126
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:25,920
Public arts policy,
proposed revisions.

1127
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,430
We tabled at the last minute.

1128
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:29,330
Do we need to take
it off the table

1129
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:31,470
or were we just
in the discussion.

1130
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:33,710
No, you were just we were just
in discussion phase anyway.

1131
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:34,750
There wasn't a motion.

1132
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:35,950
There wasn't a
motion on the table.

1133
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:37,370
Just want to check.

1134
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:42,330
So where are we at with this.

1135
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:45,450
Well, sounds to me
like we've gotten a lot

1136
00:53:45,450 --> 00:53:47,410
of good public input tonight.

1137
00:53:47,410 --> 00:53:50,330
I was happy to hear from
folks on both sides of this.

1138
00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:54,890
It seems like there might be a
happy medium in here somewhere.

1139
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:57,970
I see the policy that we
put forth a couple of weeks

1140
00:53:57,970 --> 00:54:02,330
ago as really mostly just
focused on expanding flexibility

1141
00:54:02,330 --> 00:54:04,370
and not taking anything
away from the decision

1142
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:06,250
making process
that is very strict

1143
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:10,770
and runs right through
this room in every case.

1144
00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:15,210
I'm certainly open to the idea
that there might be a specific

1145
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:19,250
carve out that we want to
make of spaces that are not

1146
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:21,350
necessarily where we want
to allow for public art,

1147
00:54:21,350 --> 00:54:25,540
but I am very much in favor
of making this policy change

1148
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:28,980
in terms of flexibility,
I think and I

1149
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:30,900
think we heard from
a couple people,

1150
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:35,780
tonight with
specific reservations

1151
00:54:35,780 --> 00:54:39,300
around public buildings.

1152
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:45,700
And we've heard a little bit
from safety concerns as well.

1153
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:51,280
I shared the I believe
with councilor Whalen,

1154
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,140
I shared with you the safety
study that was done regarding

1155
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:59,780
road roadway art specifically.

1156
00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:04,220
Hopefully you were able to share
it with everybody else as well.

1157
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:09,500
And I think that addresses
some of the safety concerns

1158
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:10,720
there, hopefully, as well.

1159
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,700
And hopefully everybody
has had a chance to read

1160
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:15,980
the redlined version now.

1161
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:20,660
And the line with the version
without red lines or blue lines

1162
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:24,130
or Brown lines or whatever, the
whatever color the lines were.

1163
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:28,430
Hopefully everybody's been
able to see that by now.

1164
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:32,710
So yeah, I mean, can you expand
for those that haven't seen

1165
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:37,710
the safety, can you just explain
what that is a little bit more.

1166
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:39,270
I know that we as
a council, I didn't

1167
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:42,410
know if we wanted to elaborate
to say that there was a.

1168
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:46,790
Yeah so study done in more
recent than some of the others

1169
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:48,210
that were identified that show.

1170
00:55:48,210 --> 00:55:53,310
Yeah so the most comprehensive
study of roadway art

1171
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:53,930
specifically.

1172
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:55,830
And once again, this is
talking about roadway art.

1173
00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:59,350
This is crosswalks and painting
streets and stuff like that.

1174
00:55:59,350 --> 00:56:00,910
The most comprehensive
study of that

1175
00:56:00,910 --> 00:56:07,030
was done by Bloomberg
related organization in 2022.

1176
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:12,150
And it found in it was
across multiple states, 17

1177
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:17,350
different locations
that roadway art

1178
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:20,390
or aesthetic crosswalks
and things like

1179
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:23,140
that actually we're better.

1180
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:26,640
We're more safe for
pedestrians, less

1181
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,780
traffic, conflicts between
pedestrians and vehicles,

1182
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:33,200
less accidents.

1183
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,400
And it's really the most
comprehensive study of that.

1184
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,200
And there's really
not any other evidence

1185
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,900
that shows to the contrary
that I've been able to find.

1186
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:46,480


1187
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,120
And I also shared
the state's opinion

1188
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,920
on this, the DOT's opinion
on this, the federal statutes

1189
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,240
related to.

1190
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,360
You mean.

1191
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:07,440
I forget what it all
stands for again, but mutd

1192
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,160
and so the federal standing
on aesthetic crosswalks

1193
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,600
and how that relates to
moving traffic and safety.

1194
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,350
But I mean, number one thing.

1195
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:24,930
I don't want to spend four
months talking about this.

1196
00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:29,650
Well, Mr. mayor, I think that
the policy in place right

1197
00:57:29,650 --> 00:57:36,530
now was voted on by 9
members of our council

1198
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:37,930
when it was all approved.

1199
00:57:37,930 --> 00:57:42,210
So I think it's very important
that we go through every change

1200
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:44,910
and have a discussion about
every change that's in here.

1201
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:46,470
So that may take some time.

1202
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:51,250


1203
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,770
And we could have,
you're changing

1204
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:57,450
the big bulk of this policy.

1205
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:58,890
And I think it has
to be opened up

1206
00:57:58,890 --> 00:58:01,850
for us all to communicate
on each step of the way

1207
00:58:01,850 --> 00:58:04,810
where you want to change.

1208
00:58:04,810 --> 00:58:07,550
So that's what I mean.

1209
00:58:07,550 --> 00:58:12,130
We've had this for over
almost a month now to review,

1210
00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:15,010
but we have not talked
about each change.

1211
00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:17,690
If you want, I'll
start and start

1212
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:22,210
reading what changes to policy
are in place here tonight.

1213
00:58:22,210 --> 00:58:26,330
And the first one
here is common space.

1214
00:58:26,330 --> 00:58:28,050
Community space.

1215
00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:35,010
What's the definition of
community space for this change.

1216
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:36,670
What do we consider
community space.

1217
00:58:36,670 --> 00:58:38,670
I'm at a loss for that.

1218
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:41,490


1219
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:42,930
Google's going to
tell us apparently.

1220
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:44,510
Good to know that
the sky is falling.

1221
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:47,890
Yes Siri has some input on that.

1222
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:51,370
Yeah OK.

1223
00:58:51,370 --> 00:58:54,150
Oops I said now that was mine.

1224
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:57,090
Now that's yours.

1225
00:58:57,090 --> 00:59:00,050
So we did have it,
if you want to call

1226
00:59:00,050 --> 00:59:03,690
it limited into the parks
where the crosswalks

1227
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:09,730
or sidewalks and walkways
could be used for public art.

1228
00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:12,870
But I don't understand what
the term community space means.

1229
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:15,330
Where are we expanding
to or is there

1230
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:19,480
no limit to community space.

1231
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,340
Any town building facility.

1232
00:59:22,340 --> 00:59:23,860
Is it all open.

1233
00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:25,420
I guess that's my question.

1234
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:26,840
Yeah so start it with.

1235
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,900
So yeah, in the section,
the initial section there

1236
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:35,740
with edits, removing
the section that

1237
00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:39,040
says it's defined as
crosswalks, sidewalks,

1238
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,780
walkways, park
spaces and replaces

1239
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:44,760
that with community spaces.

1240
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,660
Just the initial statement.

1241
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:54,100
It's just changing the.

1242
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:58,660
The underlying statement of
this that it is the original one

1243
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:04,180
was just saying these only these
things versus this is saying

1244
01:00:04,180 --> 01:00:06,360
the statement relates
to all community spaces,

1245
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:12,140
not just crosswalks for
the purposes of this.

1246
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:13,280
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1247
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,510
We're basically
saying yes, municipal

1248
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:19,890
owned or controlled spaces as
written would be very general.

1249
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:21,510
Based on this definition.

1250
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:23,490
So basically we're saying
there is no restriction.

1251
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:27,590
I'm saying that as written
right now that it suggests

1252
01:00:27,590 --> 01:00:30,110
as written right now
municipality controls as revised

1253
01:00:30,110 --> 01:00:32,310
right now as revised right now.

1254
01:00:32,310 --> 01:00:33,810
So there is no restriction.

1255
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:36,030
It's not defined
essentially which

1256
01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:37,710
is why my initial
comment on the subject

1257
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:42,030
was very open to the concept
of finding a way to carve

1258
01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:43,290
into that a little bit.

1259
01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:46,910
But the general idea being
that instead of a very small

1260
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:51,550
prescriptive list of what the
spaces are, very, very narrow,

1261
01:00:51,550 --> 01:00:56,230
this is a flexible, broad term
that we can now in this process

1262
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:57,470
come to some agreement about.

1263
01:00:57,470 --> 01:01:00,070
So, Zach, what are
you proposing exactly.

1264
01:01:00,070 --> 01:01:05,870
Yes well I mean,
honestly, I and we

1265
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:07,610
heard tonight from some folks.

1266
01:01:07,610 --> 01:01:08,870
And we've heard
your reservations

1267
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:11,590
around municipal
buildings not wanting

1268
01:01:11,590 --> 01:01:14,780
on the side of building
brick buildings, et cetera.

1269
01:01:14,780 --> 01:01:16,740
Or schools or
something like that.

1270
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:19,980
I mean, no, but what I'm saying
is it has to be specific.

1271
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:22,100
We are discussing a
public policy here.

1272
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:24,440
Let's get specific about
so and I like the idea

1273
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,880
of going through that
revision, each one with regard

1274
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,100
to answer your question,
from my perspective,

1275
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:34,620
yeah, this is about saying that
it's widely any municipal space,

1276
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:36,720
but I would offer
an Amendment myself

1277
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,340
that would constrain it by
saying that it would not apply.

1278
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:42,360
It would exclude
municipal buildings

1279
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,320
exteriors and would exclude
schools and school grounds.

1280
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,640
So basically, frankly,
we could even frame it

1281
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,520
as any property controlled
by the Board of Education

1282
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,760
to make that a little
bit more broad as well.

1283
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,560
On the outside, the outside
being where there was discussion

1284
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,667
here before about how
the inside of buildings

1285
01:02:01,667 --> 01:02:03,400
is a whole different story,
especially they actually

1286
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,940
have some murals on the inside.

1287
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:07,600
But I did want to make
sure that in all of this

1288
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,880
is all within a framework
that you all agreed on

1289
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,890
before about how the
town council would

1290
01:02:11,890 --> 01:02:14,210
review and decide on these.

1291
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:15,830
And so any decision about this.

1292
01:02:15,830 --> 01:02:18,570
I heard some of the commenters
worrying about causes

1293
01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,930
and things being put up there.

1294
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:24,910
The current policy that parts
of it that aren't being changed.

1295
01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:26,050
No text.

1296
01:02:26,050 --> 01:02:26,950
There's no text.

1297
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:28,470
So getting across messages.

1298
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:30,590
Yes, you can get across
messages without text,

1299
01:02:30,590 --> 01:02:34,010
but we will have broad
discretion as a council

1300
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:35,590
to say no to just
about anything.

1301
01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:38,890
And I think,
frankly, we're pretty

1302
01:02:38,890 --> 01:02:41,877
reflective and nostalgic about
our identity in this town.

1303
01:02:41,877 --> 01:02:43,610
So I think that we're all
going to have a little bit

1304
01:02:43,610 --> 01:02:45,130
of a high bar there.

1305
01:02:45,130 --> 01:02:47,490
Yeah respectfully,
though, we can get to that

1306
01:02:47,490 --> 01:02:50,010
if we get to that one by one.

1307
01:02:50,010 --> 01:02:52,010
I think the first
point is like if we

1308
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:53,830
need to define things right.

1309
01:02:53,830 --> 01:02:55,150
So what do you propose.

1310
01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:59,530
Let's put it on the page
and put it in the revision.

1311
01:02:59,530 --> 01:03:01,570
Yeah My proposal
is let's put it in

1312
01:03:01,570 --> 01:03:02,670
and then move to the next one.

1313
01:03:02,670 --> 01:03:03,390
Well my proposal.

1314
01:03:03,390 --> 01:03:03,990
And that's fine.

1315
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:04,490
That's fine.

1316
01:03:04,490 --> 01:03:06,670
And then we'll get
to who decides what.

1317
01:03:06,670 --> 01:03:09,430
Which commenter
also mentioned here.

1318
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:12,240
So let's take it step by step.

1319
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,520
That's all I'm suggesting, Zach.

1320
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,320
Well, I can agree with that.

1321
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,120
I just don't think there are
that many steps involved.

1322
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,000
It's a short document.

1323
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,333
All right.

1324
01:03:19,333 --> 01:03:20,000
Let's go through it.

1325
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,480
And I would just say let's go
through it like that paragraph.

1326
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,180
That first paragraph is the only
one that really adds anything.

1327
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:30,180
Everything else is just
taking away some language

1328
01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:31,120
to open it up more.

1329
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,200
Yeah, but why do it.

1330
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,420
Otherwise, if it
doesn't change anything.

1331
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:38,880
OK I mean, no, I'm not saying
it doesn't change anything.

1332
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,620
I'm just saying that everything
else is not adding new language.

1333
01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:47,280
It's removing
restrictive language.

1334
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,600
Sure yeah.

1335
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,747
So let's discuss
what we removed.

1336
01:03:50,747 --> 01:03:51,480
Let's put it that way.

1337
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,540
So first paragraph we
have an understanding

1338
01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:55,380
of where we're standing on it.

1339
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:56,500
Yeah let's go through it.

1340
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:58,300
We just talk about
the community space.

1341
01:03:58,300 --> 01:03:58,800
We did it.

1342
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,880
We an understanding of that OK.

1343
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:04,740
Well community spaces minus
municipal buildings and school

1344
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:05,240
grounds.

1345
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,073
That's what we're saying.

1346
01:04:06,073 --> 01:04:09,710
Both sides school building
if we were to amend it,

1347
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:11,950
we would basically
have as written

1348
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:16,770
minus basically any town
buildings, any town buildings,

1349
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:18,450
basically from the exterior.

1350
01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:20,530
So you went from the
universe down to a world.

1351
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:24,510
OK I would be very specific
and clear to say that it would

1352
01:04:24,510 --> 01:04:27,390
be the exterior of
municipal buildings

1353
01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:31,030
and then school buildings
and school grounds.

1354
01:04:31,030 --> 01:04:33,630
Do you follow the difference
or do you the difference being

1355
01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:36,790
that interior versus space on
a municipal property, that's

1356
01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:38,670
not the building itself
that theoretically

1357
01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:40,150
could be open to this.

1358
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:42,690
But again, town council
approval on everything.

1359
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:48,810
So do you want to
go to the next.

1360
01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:52,690
I think that helped
define what's the next.

1361
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:53,730
Let's move on to the next.

1362
01:04:53,730 --> 01:04:54,550
What's the next.

1363
01:04:54,550 --> 01:04:55,930
Let's move on to
the next one first.

1364
01:04:55,930 --> 01:05:01,310
Yeah I also have a problem
with crosswalks in town.

1365
01:05:01,310 --> 01:05:07,960
There's a lot of data from the
federal government about not

1366
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,200
approving artistic crosswalks.

1367
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,520
I'm going to read a
bunch of information.

1368
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,720
I have some Connecticut dot
information also about it.

1369
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,560
So I'll ask you to
bear with me because I

1370
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,320
come from public
safety background

1371
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,360
and I'm a rule follower as well.

1372
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,340
The federal government
gives US guidelines.

1373
01:05:30,340 --> 01:05:34,000
Granted, our town can do
whatever we want on town roads,

1374
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,080
but there's recommendations
put into place

1375
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,320
by the federal
government for reasons

1376
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,280
that they don't allow
it on state roads.

1377
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,220
So bear with me.

1378
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:46,640
I'm going to read some
stuff from the highway,

1379
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,220
federal Highway
Administration and the Muzzi,

1380
01:05:51,220 --> 01:05:57,480
as we said it earlier, is that
from the most recent moxie 2023?

1381
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,360
No, it's not.

1382
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,820
So you're reading old stuff.

1383
01:06:01,820 --> 01:06:05,090
So just make sure
that you're because I

1384
01:06:05,090 --> 01:06:07,350
believe that Alan had just
provided more recent stuff.

1385
01:06:07,350 --> 01:06:11,370
OK can he read the most
recent stuff then, please.

1386
01:06:11,370 --> 01:06:13,370
You can read what you've got.

1387
01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:14,470
No I'm not.

1388
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:16,930
I mean, be accurate if I'm not.

1389
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:18,350
If it's not because the main.

1390
01:06:18,350 --> 01:06:19,090
Let's read the.

1391
01:06:19,090 --> 01:06:20,430
Generally I don't want it.

1392
01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:22,790
Generally I have specifics
that I was going to read.

1393
01:06:22,790 --> 01:06:24,470
I'd like you to
read your specific.

1394
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:26,710
OK I'll give a second
to bring it up.

1395
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:27,930
I'll bring it up.

1396
01:06:27,930 --> 01:06:32,390
But in a nutshell, it doesn't
say that you can't do it.

1397
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:38,130
It provides a guidelines for
if you do it like it doesn't.

1398
01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:42,570
There's nothing in that
specifically says not that you

1399
01:06:42,570 --> 01:06:45,070
can't do aesthetic crosswalks.

1400
01:06:45,070 --> 01:06:46,830
No, but it says they're unsafe.

1401
01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:50,250
That's what it identifies
the inherent risks involved

1402
01:06:50,250 --> 01:06:51,070
in something like that.

1403
01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:53,370
But I'm not sure the
language says specifically

1404
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:54,510
that they're unsafe.

1405
01:06:54,510 --> 01:06:56,230
Is that the specific
word that's used.

1406
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:57,790
I'd have to look it up here.

1407
01:06:57,790 --> 01:06:58,590
What I have.

1408
01:06:58,590 --> 01:07:01,690


1409
01:07:01,690 --> 01:07:04,860
They're potentially
dangerous and non-compliant

1410
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:06,540
with safety standards.

1411
01:07:06,540 --> 01:07:09,940
And then it goes forward to give
concepts of how you would do it

1412
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:11,820
in the most safe way possible.

1413
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:13,640
No, I don't have
that information.

1414
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:14,840
OK I'm just curious.

1415
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,600
I'm just asking the question.

1416
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,020
So in a nutshell.

1417
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:22,980
Well, I mean, I can read the
exact quote from the 2023, which

1418
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:29,460
basically just says that it's
not part of their purview

1419
01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:33,940
because an aesthetic crosswalk
is not a traffic control device.

1420
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:38,060
Mukti controls or they're over.

1421
01:07:38,060 --> 01:07:40,940
What they oversee is
traffic control devices,

1422
01:07:40,940 --> 01:07:45,020
and an aesthetic crosswalk is
not a traffic control device.

1423
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:45,880
So this is what it says.

1424
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,020
Related to that says if
non-reflective colored pavement

1425
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:52,420
is used as a purely
aesthetic surface treatment,

1426
01:07:52,420 --> 01:07:57,340
see section 303 within the
provisions of this chapter

1427
01:07:57,340 --> 01:07:59,220
and are not intended
to communicate

1428
01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:02,070
regulations, warnings,
guidance or other

1429
01:08:02,070 --> 01:08:03,890
information to road users.

1430
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:06,230
The colored pavement is that
considered to be a traffic

1431
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:09,990
control device, even if it
is located between the lines

1432
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:11,870
of a crosswalk.

1433
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:17,350
So in a nutshell, what they're
saying is, if you were trying

1434
01:08:17,350 --> 01:08:24,390
to paint something on the
road to control traffic, then

1435
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:28,189
they would deem that
as unsafe unless you

1436
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:30,450
did it in the specific
way that they want.

1437
01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:32,790
But what they're saying
is aesthetic surface

1438
01:08:32,790 --> 01:08:36,770
treatments on a roadway are
not traffic control devices.

1439
01:08:36,770 --> 01:08:39,590
Therefore it's not even
something that they

1440
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:44,510
regulate, if that makes sense.

1441
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:50,229
And basically the CT
dot says the same thing.

1442
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:52,229
We are not talking
about regulation.

1443
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:53,410
Alan due respect.

1444
01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:55,170
We are talking
about common sense.

1445
01:08:55,170 --> 01:09:01,439
If it says there that they are
not the safest thing to do.

1446
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,080
We are not going
to do a definition

1447
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,760
of traffic control devices.

1448
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,040
Is that what you're going
to put in the policy

1449
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,060
that we are not worried
about the traffic.

1450
01:09:11,060 --> 01:09:12,220
I mean, I'm serious.

1451
01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:14,580
I mean, what does it
mean what you just read.

1452
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:16,800
I really don't
know what it meant

1453
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,640
for from a practical
standpoint of allowing

1454
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,300
public art on crosswalks.

1455
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:22,340
I really don't understand.

1456
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:26,380
It means they have no actual
jurisdiction on crosswalks.

1457
01:09:26,380 --> 01:09:27,979
We are not discussing
their jurisdiction.

1458
01:09:27,979 --> 01:09:29,460
We are not discussing
jurisdiction.

1459
01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:31,260
We are discussing
the recommendation.

1460
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:33,040
They can't say that
it's unsafe if it's

1461
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,220
not in their jurisdiction.

1462
01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:37,359
And in fact, Alan shared
a big comprehensive study

1463
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,960
showing that there is no
correlation between unsafety.

1464
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,560
Sorry not being safe
and traffic crosswalks

1465
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:49,540
that are because it was see, I'm
not worried about jurisdictions

1466
01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:50,040
here.

1467
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,380
That's not what we
are talking about.

1468
01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:52,979
But you're a data guy, right.

1469
01:09:52,979 --> 01:09:54,700
Yeah, so look at the data.

1470
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:57,690
He read a code.

1471
01:09:57,690 --> 01:09:59,730
Outdated code.

1472
01:09:59,730 --> 01:10:01,910
Is it outdated or not.

1473
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:03,070
The Federal Highway 1.

1474
01:10:03,070 --> 01:10:05,330
I don't have the newest.

1475
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:06,210
When was it coded.

1476
01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:06,710
I'm just.

1477
01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:07,390
I'm just curious.

1478
01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:08,730
I'm seriously curious.

1479
01:10:08,730 --> 01:10:13,730
1999, it could be 2013.

1480
01:10:13,730 --> 01:10:15,430
My understanding from
what I've looked at,

1481
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:17,450
the different because I've
looked at all of this stuff

1482
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:22,950
to try to disprove, because it
comes up often that people say,

1483
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:25,830
oh, it's going to be unsafe
because it's not normal.

1484
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:30,370
Like your striped crosswalk
Correct People say

1485
01:10:30,370 --> 01:10:32,310
that it is going to be unsafe.

1486
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:34,610
The problem is there's
no anecdotal evidence

1487
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:36,170
that says that it is.

1488
01:10:36,170 --> 01:10:40,490
In fact, there's data that
says it is more safe to have

1489
01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:43,770
artistic crosswalk because it
draws more attention to somebody

1490
01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:45,610
standing in a crosswalk.

1491
01:10:45,610 --> 01:10:49,890
The 2022 study that hopefully
was shared with all of you

1492
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:54,010
says that there was a 50%
decrease in the rate of crashes

1493
01:10:54,010 --> 01:10:59,100
involving pedestrians, 50%
less in an aesthetic crosswalk

1494
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:00,680
or a painted roadway.

1495
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,980
Who did that study.

1496
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:06,220
Bloomberg it's a
peer reviewed study.

1497
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:11,020
Yeah, it's a peer reviewed
study that's been done to date.

1498
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:12,720
Yeah I'm just asking,
who reviewed it.

1499
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,180
It was prepared by
an engineering firm.

1500
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:16,360
You don't believe in Bloomberg.

1501
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,780
No I'm just saying.

1502
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:20,720
I mean, I see a lot of polls and
quotes and studies out there.

1503
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:21,820
I mean, we all do.

1504
01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:23,640
I don't believe everything
that is on the internet.

1505
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,520
That's all I'm asking, if
it's peer reviewed or not.

1506
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,740
That's all.

1507
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:32,300
And so in painted side
painted crosswalks generally

1508
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:35,420
are going to be where
traffic is lighter

1509
01:11:35,420 --> 01:11:37,140
and there's more
pedestrians where you

1510
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:39,400
might have slower speed limits.

1511
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,940
So I'd love to really
look into that study

1512
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:43,840
because it is on to something.

1513
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,540
You can make data to your
friend any way you want.

1514
01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:48,720
So find me a study that
says the alternative.

1515
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,140
I'm just saying I'm not going
to look for that because we just

1516
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:54,770
talked about we don't
want to spend four months,

1517
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:56,650
but guess what you
just signed us up for.

1518
01:11:56,650 --> 01:11:58,990
Like every other meeting
we're going to be adjudicating

1519
01:11:58,990 --> 01:12:01,190
whether we should
put up art or not,

1520
01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:04,030
so we can't talk about
taking more time.

1521
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:06,630
This is important to get it
right here because I don't want

1522
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:08,050
subjectivity when
the time comes,

1523
01:12:08,050 --> 01:12:10,310
because we already are
going to have a ton of it

1524
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:12,630
by the mere definition of art.

1525
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:14,970
So we got to have guidelines.

1526
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:16,270
And when you first
proposed it, I

1527
01:12:16,270 --> 01:12:17,890
don't know if this
was a red Herring,

1528
01:12:17,890 --> 01:12:19,550
say community space
so we can settle

1529
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:22,050
on not municipal buildings
and school grounds.

1530
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:24,570
I don't know that, but I will
tell you community space.

1531
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:27,470
That's like, what
are we doing here.

1532
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:30,450
So why didn't you initially
put in municipals?

1533
01:12:30,450 --> 01:12:32,223
Were you hoping we
could do the buildings,

1534
01:12:32,223 --> 01:12:33,090
the side of the buildings.

1535
01:12:33,090 --> 01:12:35,810
By the way, you were hoping
to ruin our buildings.

1536
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:37,930
OK I would like it to be.

1537
01:12:37,930 --> 01:12:41,710
I would like it to be as
open as possible and let us

1538
01:12:41,710 --> 01:12:44,850
or whatever other sitting
body make the decision.

1539
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:47,310
Yes or no, if we like it or not.

1540
01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:51,070
Are is, by its very
nature subjective is

1541
01:12:51,070 --> 01:12:55,600
subjective form and if
anything, would be looking

1542
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:56,660
at all of these questions.

1543
01:12:56,660 --> 01:12:58,320
Crosswalks, the safety.

1544
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,880
That is the point of us
deciding on individual projects

1545
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,100
when they come before us.

1546
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:06,720
I know you like to think that we
need more guidelines around it

1547
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,520
in the policy, but that's the
thought process that led to such

1548
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,880
a narrow policy that no one came
forward to try and activate it.

1549
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,800
So when it comes to art, I think
that we have to be flexible.

1550
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,620
As far as what was our intent
was our intent in putting this.

1551
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:24,100
I'll be real with you.

1552
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:26,460
I did not write the
language of this new policy.

1553
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:28,400
I reviewed it and saw it
for what it was, which

1554
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,800
was a broad generalization
that would probably get worked

1555
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,760
down in discussion,
because that's

1556
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,920
the purpose of what we do here.

1557
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,000
So, yeah, I don't think we need
to spend multiple meetings going

1558
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,480
over this because at the end of
the day, whatever we do on it is

1559
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:46,120
still protected by
the review process

1560
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,800
on any art that comes into town.

1561
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,320
Yeah so here's the thing though.

1562
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,250
Are we saying we are going to
review this in the broadest

1563
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:55,370
terms possible, and
Pankaj Prakhyat is going

1564
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:58,290
to be the arbiter of what
is art and where should it

1565
01:13:58,290 --> 01:14:00,110
be put out there in the town.

1566
01:14:00,110 --> 01:14:01,250
Is that what you're saying.

1567
01:14:01,250 --> 01:14:02,990
I'm not ready to take
that responsibility,

1568
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:06,510
to tell you the truth, because
I don't know what art is.

1569
01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:08,170
And is it my response.

1570
01:14:08,170 --> 01:14:12,530
How responsible can
I be in deciding

1571
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:15,970
that you, as a town
councilor are making lots

1572
01:14:15,970 --> 01:14:17,190
of decisions for this town.

1573
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:18,350
Why can't you make
that decision.

1574
01:14:18,350 --> 01:14:22,130
You're not a person who
is a financial manager.

1575
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:22,630
Are you.

1576
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:25,170
And you make decisions
on the budgets here.

1577
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:28,050
Well, well, I do
run a big team and I

1578
01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:29,490
do make financial decisions.

1579
01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:32,230
I do, but thank you
for asking that.

1580
01:14:32,230 --> 01:14:35,070
I do have some qualifications
regarding that.

1581
01:14:35,070 --> 01:14:37,350
But that's not the point.

1582
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:38,470
That's besides the point.

1583
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:42,330
The point here is, personally
speaking for myself,

1584
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:46,810
I don't want to be
the arbiter of art

1585
01:14:46,810 --> 01:14:48,780
and where it should
be placed in town.

1586
01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:52,180
Number two.

1587
01:14:52,180 --> 01:14:56,500
It's a huge responsibility
for this body to come together

1588
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:58,300
every few weeks or
every few months

1589
01:14:58,300 --> 01:15:04,460
and decide, for example,
on a First Amendment issue.

1590
01:15:04,460 --> 01:15:07,900
OK I'm not ready to take
that responsibility.

1591
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:08,840
Let me be Frank.

1592
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,540
And you can play this like
wherever we need to play this.

1593
01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:14,880
I don't feel comfortable
taking that responsibility.

1594
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,040
On deciding on First
Amendment issues.

1595
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,580
And that's why I want
this policy to be

1596
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:25,020
as precise as possible,
because then I can actually

1597
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:28,900
take that responsibility
and work with what

1598
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:31,500
we have defined as a team.

1599
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:34,140
The broader the policy,
the more uncomfortable

1600
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:37,340
I get in deciding those issues.

1601
01:15:37,340 --> 01:15:38,960
That's all I'm saying.

1602
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,660
The more precise it
is, the better it is.

1603
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:44,060
Can I ask you a
question, Mr. mayor.

1604
01:15:44,060 --> 01:15:47,140
Does the apologies for
not knowing this answer.

1605
01:15:47,140 --> 01:15:48,550
I don't have it in front of me.

1606
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:51,710
Does the policy
have any statements

1607
01:15:51,710 --> 01:15:57,890
about no hate speech, religion,
those sort of things in it.

1608
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:58,390
Yep.

1609
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:58,890
OK.

1610
01:15:58,890 --> 01:16:01,910
So we basically follow
the guidelines of I

1611
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:05,270
believe, the town attorney, the
town attorney put it together

1612
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:07,470
and reviewed the revision.

1613
01:16:07,470 --> 01:16:08,830
So we have those guardrails.

1614
01:16:08,830 --> 01:16:12,450
Yeah he put the town attorney,
put it together, I believe,

1615
01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:15,190
based on the framework
of other towns

1616
01:16:15,190 --> 01:16:21,810
that had projects come forth and
there are some adjacent towns,

1617
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:23,730
such as I believe,
Middletown and other towns,

1618
01:16:23,730 --> 01:16:25,250
that this has been
very successful.

1619
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:29,110
And they're not spending every
town council or city council

1620
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:31,750
meeting talking about art
every single time there's

1621
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:33,630
a number of meetings,
there's a number

1622
01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:36,830
of towns that already have it,
not just in Connecticut, but all

1623
01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:37,490
over the place.

1624
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:39,837
Yeah I mean, Worcester
has art on their sides

1625
01:16:39,837 --> 01:16:41,670
of their buildings all over
the place, and many of them

1626
01:16:41,670 --> 01:16:44,830
are quite awe inspiring.

1627
01:16:44,830 --> 01:16:47,240
But I understand
why we wouldn't.

1628
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,840
I completely understand
in our small town

1629
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,840
why we wouldn't
necessarily want to put

1630
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,600
random murals on our sides
of our brick buildings.

1631
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,880
But I do think I was on
the council when we voted

1632
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,080
for the current policy,
and the only reason why

1633
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:07,320
I voted for it because it
was better than nothing.

1634
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,480
In essence, there's
one crosswalk

1635
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:13,320
that we're able to put art,
and that's just not acceptable.

1636
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:17,600
So I don't disagree
that maybe we

1637
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,980
need to define a couple
things a little bit more,

1638
01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:23,480
but we want it as open as
possible so that people can have

1639
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,280
the expression we have
restrictions in there

1640
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,280
about certain types of speech
that are not permissible

1641
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,280
and so forth.

1642
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,240
And ultimately, the
council has a decision

1643
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,800
to reject if there's something
we think that it's not suitable

1644
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,620
or if they don't maintain it, we
can order that they remove it.

1645
01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:42,680
And it's at the cost of the
people putting up the project.

1646
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,890
So we need to make
changes in this policy

1647
01:17:44,890 --> 01:17:48,410
because it's just not
acceptable the way it is.

1648
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:51,490
That's your opinion,
ma'am Yes it is.

1649
01:17:51,490 --> 01:17:55,010
I would like to add something
from the Connecticut dot.

1650
01:17:55,010 --> 01:18:01,310
And this is a 1924 or 2024.

1651
01:18:01,310 --> 01:18:05,810
Sorry that says.

1652
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:07,410
The top priorities
for the safety

1653
01:18:07,410 --> 01:18:10,290
of pedestrians,
bicyclists and drivers.

1654
01:18:10,290 --> 01:18:13,530
Some pavement markings, such
as those that convert travel

1655
01:18:13,530 --> 01:18:17,730
pavement into a defined,
delineated, pedestrian only

1656
01:18:17,730 --> 01:18:21,410
space, is generally accepted.

1657
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:24,270
Which is your normal crosswalk
with the White lines.

1658
01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:27,330


1659
01:18:27,330 --> 01:18:31,250
Other treatments, such
as within a travel lane,

1660
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:35,370
can be causing concern to
other road users in addition.

1661
01:18:35,370 --> 01:18:38,450
In addition, artistic
surfaces create

1662
01:18:38,450 --> 01:18:40,970
a challenging for
pedestrians with low vision

1663
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:43,780
capabilities and other
mobility concerns

1664
01:18:43,780 --> 01:18:47,620
as they navigate a
sidewalk or crosswalk.

1665
01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:49,560
I just want to point
that out as well.

1666
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,020


1667
01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:57,180
There have the Federal Highway
Administration, which oversees

1668
01:18:57,180 --> 01:19:00,180
with our government, has
asked communities in the past

1669
01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:06,120
to remove colorful crosswalks in
Lexington, Kentucky, Ames, Iowa.

1670
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:07,200
ST Louis, Missouri.

1671
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,940
Austin, Texas.

1672
01:19:09,940 --> 01:19:13,740
So there is a reason why the
federal government doesn't

1673
01:19:13,740 --> 01:19:18,180
approve of that on state roads.

1674
01:19:18,180 --> 01:19:23,320
So I'm just bringing up safety
concerns from and as I say,

1675
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:27,380
I'm a follower of safety
for all our people.

1676
01:19:27,380 --> 01:19:29,260
Other towns may do this stuff.

1677
01:19:29,260 --> 01:19:32,140
We as a town can do it.

1678
01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:33,200
It's not a State Road.

1679
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,980
It's not a federally
regulated road.

1680
01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:40,300
But I'm just concerned about
crosswalks being painted

1681
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:43,030
painting and our town roads.

1682
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:45,910
Counselor Whalen, do you
mind if I ask a question.

1683
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:48,490
Are there outside
of the crosswalks?

1684
01:19:48,490 --> 01:19:51,270
Are there other
spaces that you're

1685
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:54,630
concerned about public
safety relative to this.

1686
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:55,810
No OK.

1687
01:19:55,810 --> 01:19:57,830
So in terms of the public
safety issues that you're

1688
01:19:57,830 --> 01:20:00,310
concerned about, it is narrowed
in on that one kind of thing

1689
01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:02,290
basically because
it's on the roadway.

1690
01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:03,310
Correct yeah.

1691
01:20:03,310 --> 01:20:07,030
OK I think that's why the
last policy in place, there

1692
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:09,810
was somewhat of a
compromise that in the park,

1693
01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:14,070
it's low speed to do
stuff in that area

1694
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:20,630
is a safer area of travel.

1695
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:22,390
This is not
necessarily a question

1696
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:25,590
that actually leads anywhere,
but I'm going to ask it anyway.

1697
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:28,190
Just because I'm not as
familiar with every park in town

1698
01:20:28,190 --> 01:20:30,550
outside of the one
park where the policy

1699
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:31,610
allows it for right now.

1700
01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:34,830
Are there other
crosswalks at other parks.

1701
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:35,770
Are there other.

1702
01:20:35,770 --> 01:20:37,910
No, but there's parking spaces.

1703
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:39,700
There's sidewalks.

1704
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:42,160
All that was in the
policy that's in place,

1705
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:43,220
I guess, in the strangest way.

1706
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:45,060
The question for me
is because I mean,

1707
01:20:45,060 --> 01:20:46,820
I walked all these
neighborhoods this past summer,

1708
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:48,600
but I don't have quite
the layout in my head

1709
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:49,460
that you probably do.

1710
01:20:49,460 --> 01:20:51,160
After all the years
you've been a resident,

1711
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,080
are there any places in
town where you'd sit there

1712
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:53,900
and say what.

1713
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:55,660
An aesthetic crosswalk
in that area is.

1714
01:20:55,660 --> 01:20:59,300
Probably not as big of a deal
because XYZ, that sort of thing,

1715
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:00,040
is it.

1716
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,433
Or is it just blanket.

1717
01:21:01,433 --> 01:21:02,800
You feel like it's a
public safety hazard

1718
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:03,827
on all of our town roads.

1719
01:21:03,827 --> 01:21:04,860
Or do you think there might be.

1720
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,480
I think it's blanket on
all town roads for myself

1721
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:08,740
for safety concern.

1722
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:09,660
That's why I was asking.

1723
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:16,380
OK, I'm not against public art,
sculptures, flower decorations,

1724
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:18,200
all that stuff I
think is all good

1725
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,520
that I. I'm glad
that we took them

1726
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:26,760
off town buildings or the Board
of Ed buildings, the exteriors.

1727
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,640
I'm thankful for that
we're not going to do that,

1728
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,000
but we still have to amend it.

1729
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,840
But yes, we're basically we're
on board working that way.

1730
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:37,780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1731
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:39,180
We're there, we're there.

1732
01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:41,960


1733
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,180
What if we want to continue.

1734
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:44,720
We can just continue.

1735
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,540
We can come back to the
public safety thing.

1736
01:21:46,540 --> 01:21:49,160
But that helps to know that
it's just that thing in terms

1737
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,520
of public safety for you.

1738
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:59,120
So further down the
section around location

1739
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,560
is scratched out.

1740
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,600
That one would be removed
because basically that section

1741
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,840
says only crosswalk
sidewalks, walkways, parking

1742
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,500
spaces located in public parks.

1743
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:13,960
It basically repeats the
section from the first

1744
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,880
from the statement portion.

1745
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,260
Why do we take out
number 3 under location.

1746
01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:23,560


1747
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,160
I think we should
determine that wherever

1748
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,240
they're going to put work is
in satisfactory condition.

1749
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:34,760
Well, I think that's part of
the approval process anyway.

1750
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,850
I believe that is
already covered

1751
01:22:36,850 --> 01:22:38,230
under a different section.

1752
01:22:38,230 --> 01:22:43,010


1753
01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:48,510
One it's under
procedure, I believe.

1754
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:56,250


1755
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:58,150
Yeah I mean, it has
the 12 month plan.

1756
01:22:58,150 --> 01:22:59,590
Addressing, installation,
maintenance,

1757
01:22:59,590 --> 01:23:02,570
and removal is all
under procedure

1758
01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:04,310
and then preliminary review.

1759
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:06,230
I believe that's
maintenance and removal.

1760
01:23:06,230 --> 01:23:20,650
But I think that was for
road or parking lot spaces

1761
01:23:20,650 --> 01:23:24,170
that our community development
and the park and rec

1762
01:23:24,170 --> 01:23:27,290
make sure it's good pavement.

1763
01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:29,150
I think we got to make
sure that's in there.

1764
01:23:29,150 --> 01:23:31,610
I mean, I didn't
see it this time.

1765
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:33,790
I could read the revisions
and understand it.

1766
01:23:33,790 --> 01:23:35,980
Understanding because
you had a couple

1767
01:23:35,980 --> 01:23:40,160
of weeks to go back over it and
it was color coded correctly.

1768
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,320
Got it out on March three.

1769
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:47,820
Correct so I don't care if
it's put in the procedure area.

1770
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:49,480
But I didn't see it.

1771
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:51,720
But I definitely
could have missed it.

1772
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:58,260
So yeah I believe it was.

1773
01:23:58,260 --> 01:23:59,940
I know you took out
the other two things

1774
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:03,760
because the other part that
was deleted is redundant.

1775
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,820
So I get that.

1776
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:08,740
I just I don't know if number
three should be entirely removed

1777
01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:11,080
or moved to the procedure part.

1778
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,620
I will say that just briefly
looking again at that,

1779
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:16,420
I'm not seeing
language that looks

1780
01:24:16,420 --> 01:24:19,820
an exact replica, or at least
the exact meaning of number

1781
01:24:19,820 --> 01:24:20,320
three.

1782
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,680
And as far as what number
3 is trying to convey,

1783
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,300
I totally think it makes sense.

1784
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:26,180
Number three.

1785
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:28,200
Yeah, yeah, just leave it.

1786
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,980
Yeah I mean, I'd be
amenable to leaving that in.

1787
01:24:30,980 --> 01:24:33,510
So can somebody who's got
it in a physical form, just

1788
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:34,650
put a little asterisk on that.

1789
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:37,590
That will be towards
any potential Amendment

1790
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:38,810
that we might put on this.

1791
01:24:38,810 --> 01:24:40,390
Yes OK.

1792
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:44,030
Under design.

1793
01:24:44,030 --> 01:24:45,670
OK go ahead.

1794
01:24:45,670 --> 01:24:46,790
Unless you had more.

1795
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:47,890
No go ahead.

1796
01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:48,950
You're moving on.

1797
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:51,070
Under design number
one, public artwork

1798
01:24:51,070 --> 01:24:54,290
cannot obscure or interfere with
markings required for safety.

1799
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:55,950
I think the idea
of that was just

1800
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:57,910
removing the crosswalk part.

1801
01:24:57,910 --> 01:25:02,710
So it's any markings
for safety, even 2 and 3

1802
01:25:02,710 --> 01:25:05,190
that are self-explanatory.

1803
01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:08,790
Yeah same idea.

1804
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:15,030
I'm going to ask
about five I agree.

1805
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:17,270
I don't know.

1806
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:19,910
I guess that's
part of the review.

1807
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:27,470
But you also took out number
7, which was we wanted

1808
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:29,130
to ensure quality installation.

1809
01:25:29,130 --> 01:25:31,560
So we wanted to.

1810
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,200
Art, by the way, is I think you
got rid of the stencil thing

1811
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,780
so that an artist
can be an artist.

1812
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:37,960
Yeah, they can just paint.

1813
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:38,740
So it's not.

1814
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:40,040
You don't have to agree.

1815
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,060
I'm not disagreeing,
but that being said,

1816
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:45,200
does that mean they can
then write whatever message

1817
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:46,460
they want afterwards.

1818
01:25:46,460 --> 01:25:48,880
No, it has to get
previous approval

1819
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,340
through the normal process.

1820
01:25:50,340 --> 01:25:51,380
Just took it out though.

1821
01:25:51,380 --> 01:25:53,140
I'm just saying we
just took it out.

1822
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:57,760
So I think messaging
is something that

1823
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,760
is important to know when
we're reviewing a piece,

1824
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,500
but it says it shall
not contain text,

1825
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:06,340
word messaging or advertising.

1826
01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:08,280
Well, no, you're
taking that out.

1827
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,980
So you're allowing it to be out.

1828
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:16,120
You're going to allow
messaging if it's approved

1829
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,540
ultimately by the Council.

1830
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:23,160
So then number seven
where we don't need

1831
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,940
to know that particular design.

1832
01:26:24,940 --> 01:26:27,760
But we are going to know
the messaging there.

1833
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,430
Yeah so you're going
to put it back in.

1834
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:31,990
Simple question is that if
that's what he's asking really.

1835
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:38,410
But the design, any
text messaging or I

1836
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:40,090
mean that's still in
the design portion

1837
01:26:40,090 --> 01:26:42,730
that has to come for approval.

1838
01:26:42,730 --> 01:26:45,570
Even if we take
out the messaging

1839
01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:52,930
or even if we take out that line
item, line number 5, then it's.

1840
01:26:52,930 --> 01:26:56,950
The design part says, as
it's currently written,

1841
01:26:56,950 --> 01:27:01,090
the November 2024 version says
that there can be no text.

1842
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:05,710
There can be no words,
messaging or advertising.

1843
01:27:05,710 --> 01:27:08,930
Correct so what I'm saying
and I get that you're OK,

1844
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:12,310
but allowing it by taking
it out, you're allowing it.

1845
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:15,370
So correct when we
now review the design.

1846
01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:20,070
OK I know we still have the
town may reject for any reason.

1847
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:21,010
OK yeah.

1848
01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:24,090
But on number the new number 8.

1849
01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:28,320
You start to say what
guidelines it has to follow.

1850
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,360
Yeah And we adjudicate it.

1851
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:34,740
So I mean graphic or explicit
depictions of sexuality

1852
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:37,180
or violence, works that
ridicule or demean people based

1853
01:27:37,180 --> 01:27:40,160
on their beliefs race,
gender, sexual, gender,

1854
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,540
sexual identity,
ethnicity, nationality

1855
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:44,820
or personal characteristics.

1856
01:27:44,820 --> 01:27:47,980
At some point, if they're going
to put messaging in there,

1857
01:27:47,980 --> 01:27:50,780
I just hope that we
know before they do it.

1858
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:54,340
Yeah, I mean, we would get a
design mockup before somebody

1859
01:27:54,340 --> 01:27:55,480
writes anything on the street.

1860
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:58,480
And I know we're going
to divergence from that,

1861
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:01,500
but I think the only reason
why specifically because one

1862
01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:05,500
of the problems the questions I
had was like around advertising.

1863
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:09,980
Yeah but the.

1864
01:28:09,980 --> 01:28:12,220
The thing that I
thought was we may

1865
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:15,500
be able to get a private
organization to pay

1866
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:19,820
for something and would we allow
them to put a badge, liberty

1867
01:28:19,820 --> 01:28:25,870
bank, paid for by Liberty
bank assume you're imagining

1868
01:28:25,870 --> 01:28:28,290
a situation where it isn't
the bank with the art idea,

1869
01:28:28,290 --> 01:28:30,830
it's somebody else with the art
idea, and it's funded by them

1870
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:34,317
or funded by a non-profit,
and that their stamp

1871
01:28:34,317 --> 01:28:35,050
is on it or something.

1872
01:28:35,050 --> 01:28:38,810
That's the only reason to
not explicitly say that.

1873
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:41,090
No, we won't do any advertising.

1874
01:28:41,090 --> 01:28:43,830
We're obviously not
doing it as an AD,

1875
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:47,410
but I'm very uncomfortable
with sponsorship.

1876
01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:48,010
Me too.

1877
01:28:48,010 --> 01:28:49,070
Point blank.

1878
01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:53,390
But it's your decision
that we didn't

1879
01:28:53,390 --> 01:28:54,290
allow it at Little League.

1880
01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:55,170
We didn't allow.

1881
01:28:55,170 --> 01:28:56,370
I mean that's just.

1882
01:28:56,370 --> 01:28:58,550
And just recently, we didn't
allow it at the high school

1883
01:28:58,550 --> 01:29:00,610
on athletic fields.

1884
01:29:00,610 --> 01:29:03,410
And I just saw it happen
like this year or last year.

1885
01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:04,730
And I'm like for a reason.

1886
01:29:04,730 --> 01:29:05,990
We didn't do it.

1887
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:10,530
So sponsorship,
which is advertising.

1888
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:13,570
I'm not comfortable
with advertising.

1889
01:29:13,570 --> 01:29:14,370
End of story.

1890
01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:16,050
That's space.

1891
01:29:16,050 --> 01:29:18,950
So that's a no go
from the doesn't

1892
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:20,250
matter whatever we discuss.

1893
01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:21,510
But for me.

1894
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:24,200
Yeah so basically like if we
use it for commercial purposes

1895
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:24,980
and call it art.

1896
01:29:24,980 --> 01:29:27,000
This is where I was
going when I said I don't

1897
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,560
want to be the arbiter of art.

1898
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,340
Now advertising is art.

1899
01:29:30,340 --> 01:29:36,720
Yeah, if that's the
problem with this.

1900
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,140
There is no clear line here.

1901
01:29:38,140 --> 01:29:40,580
Which we won't cross.

1902
01:29:40,580 --> 01:29:41,600
It's too broad.

1903
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:42,780
Or we can make it
a line, though.

1904
01:29:42,780 --> 01:29:45,500
I mean, but it's not
as written today.

1905
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:46,700
As revised today is not.

1906
01:29:46,700 --> 01:29:49,300
I understand your reservation
around advertising.

1907
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:50,140
I think that's only.

1908
01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:57,240
That would only be in some
limited not lost on me.

1909
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:01,480
Is that the subtext that
I'm hearing from all of you

1910
01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:05,580
is that there's some safety
in specific guidelines,

1911
01:30:05,580 --> 01:30:07,880
especially if somebody
gets upset by a decision

1912
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,180
of this council regarding
their art project.

1913
01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:12,220
There's some of that too.

1914
01:30:12,220 --> 01:30:15,400
We want to make sure that
we are in a good space.

1915
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,920
We did what we have
written seems to be OK as

1916
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,860
far as the town lawyer feels.

1917
01:30:20,860 --> 01:30:22,230
Our protections are concerned.

1918
01:30:22,230 --> 01:30:23,730
That's why I'm.

1919
01:30:23,730 --> 01:30:25,870
I feel pretty comfortable
with where it's at.

1920
01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:27,450
But I'm also very
comfortable with making

1921
01:30:27,450 --> 01:30:28,350
all of these carve outs.

1922
01:30:28,350 --> 01:30:31,490
We keep talking
about if advertising

1923
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:33,510
is another thing
that's a real hang up,

1924
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:36,230
I'm sure we could
discuss that as well.

1925
01:30:36,230 --> 01:30:39,570


1926
01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:42,030
Yeah I just don't
want to play in here.

1927
01:30:42,030 --> 01:30:43,950
Yeah that was yeah, I mean yeah.

1928
01:30:43,950 --> 01:30:47,970
Anyways, yeah, we can move on
the text and word messaging

1929
01:30:47,970 --> 01:30:52,090
though we may want to
do a welcome to Rocky

1930
01:30:52,090 --> 01:30:53,150
Hill or something like that.

1931
01:30:53,150 --> 01:30:55,810
I think that's why
limiting like 0 words

1932
01:30:55,810 --> 01:30:59,630
is good just so that we know
it's going to be in there as we.

1933
01:30:59,630 --> 01:31:03,150
Yeah the design has to be
approved by the Council.

1934
01:31:03,150 --> 01:31:05,730
I think any messaging in that
design would have to be approved

1935
01:31:05,730 --> 01:31:08,310
like that to me is necessary.

1936
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:10,510
Yeah a design for instance.

1937
01:31:10,510 --> 01:31:12,690
Perhaps we will, perhaps
we amend the language

1938
01:31:12,690 --> 01:31:17,570
to say that any textual elements
must be included in the mockup

1939
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:20,760
that you present in order
to be included in the art.

1940
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,060
So in other words, it must
hit that point in the process

1941
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:24,600
that we see any
textual elements.

1942
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,580
They can't make a
change after that.

1943
01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:31,060
They cannot advertise because
advertisement is considered

1944
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:33,720
a sign of well, there you go.

1945
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,300
There's a whole thing
around sponsorships

1946
01:31:37,300 --> 01:31:38,840
and how they can be treated.

1947
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,420
But there you go.

1948
01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:43,120
So are we playing
Don Draper or not.

1949
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,680
I mean, what did we decide here.

1950
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,900
I'm Yeah, we're with what you
guys are saying about returning

1951
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:52,660
to having a no advertising
and also having something that

1952
01:31:52,660 --> 01:31:54,860
carves out that textual
elements must be

1953
01:31:54,860 --> 01:31:57,220
included in mockup
designs before we

1954
01:31:57,220 --> 01:32:02,500
receive them for council vote.

1955
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:04,740
But I'm fully with
the mayor on wanting

1956
01:32:04,740 --> 01:32:07,280
to allow for textual
elements where appropriate.

1957
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,460


1958
01:32:10,460 --> 01:32:14,920
Then number 7, we're
good with no stencils.

1959
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,470


1960
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:23,870
And well, that certainly
excludes Banksy from showing up.

1961
01:32:23,870 --> 01:32:26,330
Yeah no artwork by Banksy.

1962
01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:27,770
OK sorry.

1963
01:32:27,770 --> 01:32:30,590
Banksy bummer.

1964
01:32:30,590 --> 01:32:36,510
And then number 8 is.

1965
01:32:36,510 --> 01:32:37,870
What's that.

1966
01:32:37,870 --> 01:32:43,710
So then number 8, I think,
was just moving the numbers

1967
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:48,210
around because it was.

1968
01:32:48,210 --> 01:32:51,230


1969
01:32:51,230 --> 01:32:54,250
Because 7 was removed.

1970
01:32:54,250 --> 01:32:58,630
I think that's what
essentially still saying,

1971
01:32:58,630 --> 01:33:05,750
graphic or explicit
depictions are not intended

1972
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:07,630
to be religious beliefs.

1973
01:33:07,630 --> 01:33:10,470
Can I be honest that last bit.

1974
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:15,190
I don't know if to call eight
a but eight bullet point.

1975
01:33:15,190 --> 01:33:19,120
Can't we end that sentence
at, demean people and just

1976
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,440
say that anything that demeans
anybody is not something we're

1977
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:25,600
going to be OK with,
and don't have to even

1978
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,780
carve out any specific space.

1979
01:33:26,780 --> 01:33:30,000
We can just say, if you
demean people, the mic, sorry,

1980
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,520
it is on.

1981
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,800
We could just say that to
demean people in general

1982
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,080
is enough that it
wouldn't be acceptable.

1983
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,260
Yeah, I mean I'm a big
fan of less is more.

1984
01:33:41,260 --> 01:33:47,120


1985
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,180
I have no problem with that.

1986
01:33:48,180 --> 01:33:49,000
Yeah, I don't have.

1987
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,220
Listen, that is the message
it makes not to demean people.

1988
01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:52,960
So yeah.

1989
01:33:52,960 --> 01:34:01,220
That's good.

1990
01:34:01,220 --> 01:34:04,320


1991
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,200
Could I also suggest
that number 9

1992
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,040
be changed to say the town
may reject proposed artworks

1993
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:14,520
for any reason or no reason.

1994
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,770
In other words, we don't
have to give an explanation

1995
01:34:16,770 --> 01:34:19,450
for a vote against a project.

1996
01:34:19,450 --> 01:34:21,690
My only I mean, it's discretion.

1997
01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:22,990
Well, that's what I
want to carve out.

1998
01:34:22,990 --> 01:34:24,410
The notion we have
the attorney here

1999
01:34:24,410 --> 01:34:26,450
super basically
discretion without having

2000
01:34:26,450 --> 01:34:28,890
to answer for the why.

2001
01:34:28,890 --> 01:34:31,050
Because are you saying for
any reason you have to have

2002
01:34:31,050 --> 01:34:32,490
a reason at our
discretion, just means

2003
01:34:32,490 --> 01:34:33,830
we decide we don't want it.

2004
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:36,410
You don't want it.

2005
01:34:36,410 --> 01:34:38,370
Yeah that's.

2006
01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:39,910
Yeah, at their discretion.

2007
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:46,430
Yeah because I think it was
important to leave that line.

2008
01:34:46,430 --> 01:34:49,670
And the last line in
there, no matter what else,

2009
01:34:49,670 --> 01:34:52,170
got changed in the middle.

2010
01:34:52,170 --> 01:34:53,490
What are you looking at.

2011
01:34:53,490 --> 01:34:54,770
What line.

2012
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:56,170
Line nine.

2013
01:34:56,170 --> 01:34:59,450
Yep and then the final
line of the policy, which

2014
01:34:59,450 --> 01:35:01,610
says the town may
order the removal

2015
01:35:01,610 --> 01:35:04,130
or may remove the public artwork
after providing written notice

2016
01:35:04,130 --> 01:35:07,450
to the requester at any time,
in its sole discretion, that I

2017
01:35:07,450 --> 01:35:10,570
think both of those
basically mean

2018
01:35:10,570 --> 01:35:12,610
everything else in the middle.

2019
01:35:12,610 --> 01:35:16,660
There might be some
thing that comes up

2020
01:35:16,660 --> 01:35:18,660
that we're not going
to think of as narrow

2021
01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:21,220
as we try to make something.

2022
01:35:21,220 --> 01:35:23,460
There's always the
possibility, something

2023
01:35:23,460 --> 01:35:24,600
else that we don't think of.

2024
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,420
And so when you have
the ability to say no

2025
01:35:27,420 --> 01:35:30,540
or you have the ability to
take it down for no reason or I

2026
01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:34,540
mean, take it down sometime
later, that's the catch all.

2027
01:35:34,540 --> 01:35:39,960
And that was what was originally
signed off on by the attorneys.

2028
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,380
Anyway, I think I would use the
sole discretion language again

2029
01:35:43,380 --> 01:35:45,320
on 9 instead of for any reason.

2030
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:49,100
Just say this is
our sole discretion

2031
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:55,380
at the town's sole discretion
consistent up on number 9.

2032
01:35:55,380 --> 01:36:06,220
Yes procedure basically
stays the same.

2033
01:36:06,220 --> 01:36:09,100
And it just specifies any public
art requests or suggestions

2034
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:10,560
shall be submitted in writing.

2035
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,110


2036
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:18,190
Lays out the timeline, the
procedure doesn't change at all.

2037
01:36:18,190 --> 01:36:20,990
I think that was just
a language change

2038
01:36:20,990 --> 01:36:28,590
and everything else stays the
same right up until the removal.

2039
01:36:28,590 --> 01:36:30,890
And I think in the
procedure stuff, I mean,

2040
01:36:30,890 --> 01:36:33,170
it addresses the
safety and visibility.

2041
01:36:33,170 --> 01:36:35,550
And I think that's where it
would go through obviously

2042
01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:37,710
would go through the
police and so forth.

2043
01:36:37,710 --> 01:36:40,470
So if there's a
particular intersection

2044
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:44,350
that the chief decides would
be too busy for whatever reason

2045
01:36:44,350 --> 01:36:46,430
that we should not have,
then we should obviously

2046
01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:48,310
not going to put artwork there.

2047
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:54,110
But I think there are some
several crosswalks that would be

2048
01:36:54,110 --> 01:36:57,470
and we know very well
that the town engineer is

2049
01:36:57,470 --> 01:37:00,390
not going to sign off
on anything that he

2050
01:37:00,390 --> 01:37:02,450
thinks is not up to par.

2051
01:37:02,450 --> 01:37:07,110


2052
01:37:07,110 --> 01:37:12,800
So before we get to the removal
of the artwork thing I mean,

2053
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,440
honestly, the three concerns
for me were safety content

2054
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:21,640
and the last one
is the maintenance.

2055
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:26,420
And, we already did
this for a month ago.

2056
01:37:26,420 --> 01:37:29,480
And I apologize because
I forget how we got here.

2057
01:37:29,480 --> 01:37:32,880
But somebody has to
be able to determine

2058
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,200
the cost of either maintenance
or what the cost to remove

2059
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,680
that artwork, because that's at
the cost of the artist or group

2060
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,400
that the artist has to.

2061
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:45,120
We set aside some money
in a separate account

2062
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,880
that we have access to
be able to paint it back,

2063
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,780
to remove it or remove it or
paint it back to its old state.

2064
01:37:52,780 --> 01:37:56,080
That is under five installation.

2065
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,620
There's a little bullet point
there prior to the start.

2066
01:37:59,620 --> 01:38:01,500
The installation,
a cash security,

2067
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:04,100
an amount to cover
the cost of repairs,

2068
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:05,380
maintenance, and removal.

2069
01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:06,380
Artwork yeah.

2070
01:38:06,380 --> 01:38:07,020
That is there.

2071
01:38:07,020 --> 01:38:09,650
I just want to make
sure we get that right

2072
01:38:09,650 --> 01:38:13,850
because this scope got a
lot bigger potentially.

2073
01:38:13,850 --> 01:38:17,970
And, I don't know how we're
going to determine that cost,

2074
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:18,470
by the way.

2075
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:20,490
I guess that's on you Ray or.

2076
01:38:20,490 --> 01:38:22,270
Well that should be
brought up tonight.

2077
01:38:22,270 --> 01:38:27,310
I think it says as determined
by the town finance director,

2078
01:38:27,310 --> 01:38:30,290
this policy goes
beyond just painting.

2079
01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:33,630
I mean, and sculptures
and what have you.

2080
01:38:33,630 --> 01:38:37,850
And so the team that would
be internally reviewing

2081
01:38:37,850 --> 01:38:46,850
this would be Joe Lentini,
Steve Mona for bond surety

2082
01:38:46,850 --> 01:38:52,130
and the costs for maintenance
or removal or what have you

2083
01:38:52,130 --> 01:38:58,690
would be based on the artist's
an estimated cost plus what it

2084
01:38:58,690 --> 01:39:02,550
would cost for town crews if
we had to an hourly basis,

2085
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:03,070
what have you.

2086
01:39:03,070 --> 01:39:05,930
And also materials,
that would have to be

2087
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:07,880
taken out of the cash security.

2088
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,180
But it's no different
than Steve working

2089
01:39:11,180 --> 01:39:16,220
on a bond for a subdivision
or site plan or parking lot.

2090
01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:18,580
Yeah OK.

2091
01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:21,380
I just want to make sure we keep
that there, because that's going

2092
01:39:21,380 --> 01:39:24,580
to be vitally important
to keep the cost away

2093
01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:25,840
from the taxpayers.

2094
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,920
And then when you get to
the removal of the artwork.

2095
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:37,340
They have a 12 month
display duration.

2096
01:39:37,340 --> 01:39:40,560
And it says if there's no
additional approved requests,

2097
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:41,400
which is fine.

2098
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:45,800
Before it was just approved,
request to display the artwork.

2099
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,760
They would stay
in that location.

2100
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:57,260
Correct so when I get a little
bit what I maybe could foresee

2101
01:39:57,260 --> 01:40:02,380
is there's going to be like
three or four prime areas.

2102
01:40:02,380 --> 01:40:07,390
And if I was doing
something new and I wanted

2103
01:40:07,390 --> 01:40:11,590
to get in the prime area, that
doesn't seem fair to the person

2104
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:12,690
who's already there.

2105
01:40:12,690 --> 01:40:15,070
But it's not fair that it's
not available to other peoples

2106
01:40:15,070 --> 01:40:15,570
as well.

2107
01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:18,877
So that's another level
of decision making.

2108
01:40:18,877 --> 01:40:19,810
We're going to have to make.

2109
01:40:19,810 --> 01:40:21,970
Are we going to push them
off to oh, you can do it,

2110
01:40:21,970 --> 01:40:26,030
but we're going to put you
over on East street, which

2111
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:27,750
nobody's there.

2112
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:29,330
Yeah, I think those are things.

2113
01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:31,290
I'm just saying you're going
to have a lot of groups.

2114
01:40:31,290 --> 01:40:33,270
And that was brought
up by the public

2115
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:35,710
that once they see
this stuff coming up,

2116
01:40:35,710 --> 01:40:38,710
maybe you're going to
create this onslaught,

2117
01:40:38,710 --> 01:40:41,210
which because we were
too restrictive before,

2118
01:40:41,210 --> 01:40:42,630
but now we're not.

2119
01:40:42,630 --> 01:40:45,450
So I'm just that's
going to come up.

2120
01:40:45,450 --> 01:40:49,290
I mean, do they have the right
to go after the prime spot.

2121
01:40:49,290 --> 01:40:52,850
Because I want to be with
where that group was.

2122
01:40:52,850 --> 01:40:54,710
I'm just asking.

2123
01:40:54,710 --> 01:41:02,070
I think the point, the point
of this section was to say,

2124
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:04,920
if you're going to
install something,

2125
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,340
it'll be there for
at least a month.

2126
01:41:06,340 --> 01:41:08,040
Or I mean at least
a year, a year.

2127
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:09,260
It'll be there for
at least a year.

2128
01:41:09,260 --> 01:41:11,740
And if somebody else
comes after that and says,

2129
01:41:11,740 --> 01:41:16,600
hey, I want to paint on
this prime crosswalk, then

2130
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:21,420
that would be go through
the approval process.

2131
01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:24,220
So again, that's
another decision.

2132
01:41:24,220 --> 01:41:25,100
OK yes.

2133
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:26,440
We'll take the artwork.

2134
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:29,040
Now we're going to decide we're
going to bump the other people.

2135
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,600
Well, the way that it
was originally written

2136
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,660
was if somebody else
comes with a request,

2137
01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:38,240
it automatically bumps the
people that were already there.

2138
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:39,180
Approved request.

2139
01:41:39,180 --> 01:41:41,480
No, no, it didn't
used to say approved,

2140
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:44,140
I approved I'm good with that.

2141
01:41:44,140 --> 01:41:46,160
And maybe this was a hole
that we didn't address when

2142
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,500
we voted this in November 2024.

2143
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:52,680
I don't but I'm just
saying that's going

2144
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,580
to come up hopefully.

2145
01:41:54,580 --> 01:41:56,060
Hopefully it comes up with.

2146
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:57,300
So many people that want.

2147
01:41:57,300 --> 01:41:59,040
So the artist did a
great piece of work

2148
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,450
12 months ago, is now
going to get erased.

2149
01:42:01,450 --> 01:42:03,830
And by the way, not
necessarily erased, right.

2150
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:10,290
Yeah I mean, but not necessarily
only if it's only if we say yes.

2151
01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:11,390
Yeah right.

2152
01:42:11,390 --> 01:42:15,570
So again, there's the decision.

2153
01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:19,410
I'm just if there is a can of
worms that we're opening up

2154
01:42:19,410 --> 01:42:20,910
is the bottom line.

2155
01:42:20,910 --> 01:42:23,330
But that's OK.

2156
01:42:23,330 --> 01:42:24,630
What's your thought process.

2157
01:42:24,630 --> 01:42:27,390
I agree with the
approved request.

2158
01:42:27,390 --> 01:42:29,810
But what's your thought
process about this 12 months

2159
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:34,130
you're taking out
and all that stuff.

2160
01:42:34,130 --> 01:42:37,670
So what you suggest I'm asking.

2161
01:42:37,670 --> 01:42:38,870
I say leave it alone.

2162
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:40,930
I agree with putting
the word approved

2163
01:42:40,930 --> 01:42:42,790
in there for the
approved request,

2164
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:44,970
but then leave the
rest of it alone.

2165
01:42:44,970 --> 01:42:46,530
I'm just trying to.

2166
01:42:46,530 --> 01:42:53,530
I'm just trying to, I think
it looks like we're removing

2167
01:42:53,530 --> 01:42:57,890
the requester has to submit a
written request after a year

2168
01:42:57,890 --> 01:43:01,980
and get approval to keep
it for another 12 months.

2169
01:43:01,980 --> 01:43:05,080
I think the point of
removing that is just saying,

2170
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,580
hey, if nobody else comes
along, you don't have to submit

2171
01:43:08,580 --> 01:43:13,860
a request and then it stays up.

2172
01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:16,600
It just stays until somebody
else comes and says,

2173
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,800
hey, we want this spot or
the town comes and says,

2174
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:25,200
hey, your mural is starting
to fade and we need to fix it.

2175
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:29,160
So, so to clarify, you're
proposing less approval.

2176
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,720
So before it was every 12
months we had to review it.

2177
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:32,400
Yes yeah.

2178
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,340
So it's less work.

2179
01:43:34,340 --> 01:43:36,700
So I think that's good.

2180
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:38,260
OK I understand now.

2181
01:43:38,260 --> 01:43:40,840
Well I don't yeah I didn't
I'm OK with that by the way.

2182
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:44,260
I thought it was just they
needed another approved request

2183
01:43:44,260 --> 01:43:46,460
in order to be bumped.

2184
01:43:46,460 --> 01:43:49,040
I think it says request.

2185
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,900


2186
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:53,480
Well, it guarantees
them 12 months,

2187
01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:56,180
but after that, somebody
else guaranteed the spot.

2188
01:43:56,180 --> 01:43:58,250
Somebody else could take
the spot responded yeah.

2189
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:59,490
If during or after.

2190
01:43:59,490 --> 01:44:05,550


2191
01:44:05,550 --> 01:44:12,030
Yeah I think it just made it
overly complicated with the way

2192
01:44:12,030 --> 01:44:13,190
that it was written before.

2193
01:44:13,190 --> 01:44:15,090
So the intention is there.

2194
01:44:15,090 --> 01:44:20,230
If somebody comes and requests
to have that spot that was taken

2195
01:44:20,230 --> 01:44:23,050
for 12 months and they get
approved before the 12 month,

2196
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:23,990
whatever.

2197
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:25,790
By the way, are we giving
them another full 12

2198
01:44:25,790 --> 01:44:26,690
months if nobody else.

2199
01:44:26,690 --> 01:44:27,850
Well, that was the other thing.

2200
01:44:27,850 --> 01:44:29,850
Is that the way
that was written,

2201
01:44:29,850 --> 01:44:31,410
it was like another 12 months.

2202
01:44:31,410 --> 01:44:33,150
Nobody else can come
back for another.

2203
01:44:33,150 --> 01:44:35,150
Like, what if somebody
comes eight months

2204
01:44:35,150 --> 01:44:37,010
later, 20 months down the road.

2205
01:44:37,010 --> 01:44:37,510
What is.

2206
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:38,950
So what are you saying.

2207
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:40,530
They're guaranteed 12 months.

2208
01:44:40,530 --> 01:44:42,810
No Somebody comes in 18 months.

2209
01:44:42,810 --> 01:44:43,690
A month after that.

2210
01:44:43,690 --> 01:44:44,290
It is month.

2211
01:44:44,290 --> 01:44:46,270
Yeah It's just like.

2212
01:44:46,270 --> 01:44:48,550
Yeah, it's just like a lease.

2213
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:49,490
Yeah all right.

2214
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:50,290
I think that's.

2215
01:44:50,290 --> 01:44:54,750
Yeah not to add to this,
but it just dawned on me

2216
01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:56,870
that I don't see a way
that we can carve out

2217
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:58,790
a carve out here
that allows the town

2218
01:44:58,790 --> 01:45:00,710
to decide to keep something.

2219
01:45:00,710 --> 01:45:02,390
I mean, for all
we know, somebody

2220
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:04,990
might come to this council
with a project that goes up

2221
01:45:04,990 --> 01:45:07,170
and within a year, we
all look at it like,

2222
01:45:07,170 --> 01:45:08,830
wow, that's kind of iconic.

2223
01:45:08,830 --> 01:45:10,310
That's kind of like, that's us.

2224
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:10,810
There is.

2225
01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:12,150
It could happen.

2226
01:45:12,150 --> 01:45:13,170
We don't have to approve it.

2227
01:45:13,170 --> 01:45:14,930
Not expecting it at any time.

2228
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:16,190
But maybe we need
some language that

2229
01:45:16,190 --> 01:45:17,430
says that we can
have the discretion

2230
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:19,970
to keep something if we choose.

2231
01:45:19,970 --> 01:45:22,150
As a council, I think we
just keep it by default.

2232
01:45:22,150 --> 01:45:23,910
Yeah I don't think we need to.

2233
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:28,010
And then we just order removal
at our sole discretion.

2234
01:45:28,010 --> 01:45:29,910
OK yeah.

2235
01:45:29,910 --> 01:45:31,870
The town's sole discretion.

2236
01:45:31,870 --> 01:45:33,910
Council Supreme Court.

2237
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:35,910
So is that everything.

2238
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:38,410
Is that everything that's
running through the document.

2239
01:45:38,410 --> 01:45:41,270
But it sounds like we still have
concerns around public safety

2240
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:43,430
and crosswalks specifically.

2241
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:45,470
And forgive me.

2242
01:45:45,470 --> 01:45:48,630
What else have we not
resolved in this discussion.

2243
01:45:48,630 --> 01:45:49,570
No, I think we're good.

2244
01:45:49,570 --> 01:45:51,710
I think there's a couple of
we went through everything

2245
01:45:51,710 --> 01:45:52,610
and we're good.

2246
01:45:52,610 --> 01:45:53,250
We've made.

2247
01:45:53,250 --> 01:45:56,720
We're saying that we're going to
take it off municipal buildings

2248
01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:59,720
and then make these edits
we just talked about.

2249
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,720
And you're forgetting
the crosswalk part.

2250
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:02,560
That's right.

2251
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:03,920
That's what we've
been talking about.

2252
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,720
It sounds to me like that's
what I thought these edits

2253
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:07,440
were about crosswalks.

2254
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,780
So we're not going to do
crosswalks on public roads.

2255
01:46:09,780 --> 01:46:10,760
No, no.

2256
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,920
So that's my concern
about the safety of it.

2257
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,460
So if you were to write
the Amendment right now,

2258
01:46:16,460 --> 01:46:18,133
you would include
just if you were

2259
01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:20,300
making the decision on your own,
that's what you would add to it.

2260
01:46:20,300 --> 01:46:22,780
You would say, no crosswalks
that are on public roads.

2261
01:46:22,780 --> 01:46:25,540
That's what you would do
if it was in your case.

2262
01:46:25,540 --> 01:46:27,320
Correct OK.

2263
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:30,200
Can I make a suggestion
on the crosswalks?

2264
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:32,500
Sure is there something
in the review process,

2265
01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:34,700
which discusses public safety.

2266
01:46:34,700 --> 01:46:36,440
If you could add
to that would give

2267
01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:38,700
you more comfort that that's
what I'm going to propose.

2268
01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:41,900
Some crosswalks on public
roads that would be suitable.

2269
01:46:41,900 --> 01:46:45,560
I agree that there's certain
ones that you probably don't

2270
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:46,820
want it on Silas Dean highway.

2271
01:46:46,820 --> 01:46:48,140
Well, we can't there either.

2272
01:46:48,140 --> 01:46:49,900
Well, even assuming
it was a State Road.

2273
01:46:49,900 --> 01:46:54,070
Yeah so maybe let me speak
to that maybe this will help.

2274
01:46:54,070 --> 01:47:00,490
So there is language that towns
do put in to ensure compliance

2275
01:47:00,490 --> 01:47:04,970
with the Federal
Highway interpretation

2276
01:47:04,970 --> 01:47:08,050
of artistic challenges.

2277
01:47:08,050 --> 01:47:12,490
So what they've said is
that if they are outside

2278
01:47:12,490 --> 01:47:18,610
of the typical white ladder
markings or with in between,

2279
01:47:18,610 --> 01:47:19,610
it's OK.

2280
01:47:19,610 --> 01:47:23,730
So we could say
that crosswalks will

2281
01:47:23,730 --> 01:47:26,210
be installed using
the whatever you

2282
01:47:26,210 --> 01:47:28,710
said compliant ladder markings.

2283
01:47:28,710 --> 01:47:31,770
Decorative pavement art may
be placed within or adjacent

2284
01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:34,570
to the crossing area, provided
the required white crosswalk

2285
01:47:34,570 --> 01:47:38,370
markings remain clearly
visible and are not altered.

2286
01:47:38,370 --> 01:47:41,210
We already have that in
the design section to then.

2287
01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:43,290
Then that should
comply with everything

2288
01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:48,090
of the federal highways
concerns and safety.

2289
01:47:48,090 --> 01:47:56,660
Well, let me just comment meant
just to that does doesn't that

2290
01:47:56,660 --> 01:48:01,380
muddy up if you're going
to keep the White lines

2291
01:48:01,380 --> 01:48:04,900
and just have drawings
within those white lines,

2292
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:09,820
doesn't that defeat the purpose
of having somebody put something

2293
01:48:09,820 --> 01:48:10,440
down there.

2294
01:48:10,440 --> 01:48:14,860
No still keep it
within the White lines.

2295
01:48:14,860 --> 01:48:16,200
You just keep the White lines.

2296
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,220
You can put other things because
the White lines are reflective

2297
01:48:19,220 --> 01:48:20,960
graphics and text in between.

2298
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,120
But what's in between
isn't reflective.

2299
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,620
I just can't envision.

2300
01:48:26,620 --> 01:48:30,640
A painting or whatever with
white lines going through it.

2301
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,960
No, not in the middle of no,
no, no, not in the middle of it.

2302
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:34,580
Just the exterior.

2303
01:48:34,580 --> 01:48:35,200
Yes OK.

2304
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:36,740
I misinterpret what
you were saying.

2305
01:48:36,740 --> 01:48:41,140
OK to outline the path that
the pedestrian should take.

2306
01:48:41,140 --> 01:48:42,940
And those are reflective.

2307
01:48:42,940 --> 01:48:44,500
No curved lines.

2308
01:48:44,500 --> 01:48:45,540
All right.

2309
01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:47,680
Yes I'll go back here.

2310
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:50,710


2311
01:48:50,710 --> 01:48:52,990
Can I. Ray does.

2312
01:48:52,990 --> 01:48:56,350
How do you remove.

2313
01:48:56,350 --> 01:48:59,770
I painted lines on the roads
last more than 12 months.

2314
01:48:59,770 --> 01:49:03,330
I know they fade, but
outside of milling it,

2315
01:49:03,330 --> 01:49:05,030
how do you remove that paint.

2316
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:06,890
I don't know how that
paint would be removed.

2317
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:10,350
I know you have to
jackhammer, lightly

2318
01:49:10,350 --> 01:49:14,730
grind off the pavement
markings or paint over them.

2319
01:49:14,730 --> 01:49:16,190
If you want to remove
them, you have to

2320
01:49:16,190 --> 01:49:19,650
or you could paint over them.

2321
01:49:19,650 --> 01:49:21,570
You just paint over them,
you can paint over them.

2322
01:49:21,570 --> 01:49:23,050
Is that the way you do it.

2323
01:49:23,050 --> 01:49:24,650
I mean, now it's
a different color,

2324
01:49:24,650 --> 01:49:28,430
I got to prime my house
when I do a different color.

2325
01:49:28,430 --> 01:49:30,950
I'm truly asking.

2326
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:32,990
I do think that's
generally how it's done.

2327
01:49:32,990 --> 01:49:35,150
When I lived in Washington,
DC, I remember at one point

2328
01:49:35,150 --> 01:49:38,450
that they covered up lines by
just painting black over them.

2329
01:49:38,450 --> 01:49:43,570
Yeah, that's what they do when
there's a road construction,

2330
01:49:43,570 --> 01:49:47,030
they have to move the
lines over because they're

2331
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:48,700
working on one side and
then they move them back.

2332
01:49:48,700 --> 01:49:49,980
They just paint
over the line again.

2333
01:49:49,980 --> 01:49:51,660
That's at their cost.

2334
01:49:51,660 --> 01:49:56,640
And that's the applicants cost.

2335
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:02,027
Yeah I think that's going to be
that's difficult to determine.

2336
01:50:02,027 --> 01:50:03,160
And that's something
that's really

2337
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,360
got to have a lot of thought
and how much security

2338
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,080
bond is going to be put up.

2339
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:14,520
Yeah for a painting once
for artwork or sculpture

2340
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,580
obviously is not going
to be that expensive.

2341
01:50:16,580 --> 01:50:19,000
But I think the cost
of painting a road

2342
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,840
is probably pretty standard.

2343
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:25,900
And probably our Steve,
our town engineer,

2344
01:50:25,900 --> 01:50:29,640
probably have that data.

2345
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,580
Let me just pay for the paint,
pay for the time to do it.

2346
01:50:32,580 --> 01:50:42,800
And so the edits that we've got
to the revised proposed policy

2347
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:49,610
include adding back
in under location.

2348
01:50:49,610 --> 01:50:52,690
Item number three.

2349
01:50:52,690 --> 01:50:57,730
To say that the public art
work is going to be applied

2350
01:50:57,730 --> 01:51:00,730
in a satisfactory
condition, as determined

2351
01:51:00,730 --> 01:51:02,350
by the Director of
Community development,

2352
01:51:02,350 --> 01:51:04,430
or designee, parks and
rec director designee,

2353
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:06,970
and the town planner.

2354
01:51:06,970 --> 01:51:10,410
So basically saying town staff
is going to review and make

2355
01:51:10,410 --> 01:51:12,730
sure that the surface is good.

2356
01:51:12,730 --> 01:51:14,470
The next one is that.

2357
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:17,250


2358
01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:23,490
Public artwork show
public or public artwork

2359
01:51:23,490 --> 01:51:26,970
shall not contain advertising.

2360
01:51:26,970 --> 01:51:33,130
We can also add that
text must be included

2361
01:51:33,130 --> 01:51:35,590
in the design mockup, or any.

2362
01:51:35,590 --> 01:51:38,950
Any proposed text must be
included in design mockup.

2363
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:41,810


2364
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:48,420
And on now number
8 under design,

2365
01:51:48,420 --> 01:51:50,180
we eliminate
everything after work

2366
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:57,600
that ridicules or demeans people
includes all the race, beliefs,

2367
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:59,240
gender, sexual identity.

2368
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:03,580
If we just work that
ridicules or demeans people.

2369
01:52:03,580 --> 01:52:06,020
And then item number
9, the town may

2370
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:08,220
reject proposed
artwork for any reason

2371
01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:09,920
at the town's sole discretion.

2372
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:15,420


2373
01:52:15,420 --> 01:52:18,500
But crosswalks still
hanging out there.

2374
01:52:18,500 --> 01:52:21,660
Well, you didn't exclude the
town buildings or the board of.

2375
01:52:21,660 --> 01:52:22,240
Oh, yes.

2376
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:23,080
Yes, I don't know.

2377
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:26,660
Did somebody write
a did somebody

2378
01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:29,500
take the language for that.

2379
01:52:29,500 --> 01:52:32,860
Exterior exclude the exterior.

2380
01:52:32,860 --> 01:52:36,180
Public artwork is
defined as what's

2381
01:52:36,180 --> 01:52:40,660
going on inside municipal
buildings or any board of Ed

2382
01:52:40,660 --> 01:52:46,890
properties outside of
municipal building,

2383
01:52:46,890 --> 01:52:50,950
or I think any
board or any board

2384
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:55,350
of Ed, building or grounds,
building or grounds.

2385
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:57,630
Yeah Any town building.

2386
01:52:57,630 --> 01:52:59,350
School grounds.

2387
01:52:59,350 --> 01:53:00,990
School building.

2388
01:53:00,990 --> 01:53:04,170
Correct including.

2389
01:53:04,170 --> 01:53:06,710
We're losing half our council.

2390
01:53:06,710 --> 01:53:07,530
Do we have a quorum.

2391
01:53:07,530 --> 01:53:10,030
Do we still have a quorum.

2392
01:53:10,030 --> 01:53:12,750
He's going to go.

2393
01:53:12,750 --> 01:53:14,350
Somebody make sure they're not.

2394
01:53:14,350 --> 01:53:16,030
They're not caucusing out there.

2395
01:53:16,030 --> 01:53:19,290
You guys work out a deal.

2396
01:53:19,290 --> 01:53:21,750
Yeah we're going to deal
behind closed doors.

2397
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:23,610
Wow this is a secret meeting.

2398
01:53:23,610 --> 01:53:25,310
I've heard so much.

2399
01:53:25,310 --> 01:53:28,630
Locked himself.

2400
01:53:28,630 --> 01:53:30,090
The keys on both sides.

2401
01:53:30,090 --> 01:53:32,610
So it was either come through
that door or text her and say,

2402
01:53:32,610 --> 01:53:33,290
can you let me out.

2403
01:53:33,290 --> 01:53:34,570
I've honestly done that before.

2404
01:53:34,570 --> 01:53:38,510
So I opened all the doors
and I'm like, I don't know.

2405
01:53:38,510 --> 01:53:41,880
Sorry all right.

2406
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:42,760
I'm so sorry.

2407
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:44,720
So we just went
through everything.

2408
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:45,460
I heard everything.

2409
01:53:45,460 --> 01:53:47,100
We actually just agreed
to everything, so.

2410
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:47,900
Great moving on.

2411
01:53:47,900 --> 01:53:49,280
You missed it.

2412
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:50,660
No the only thing that we.

2413
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:54,120
We didn't nail down the
language around was excluding

2414
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:59,760
any municipal or municipal
buildings or school

2415
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,780
buildings or buildings.

2416
01:54:01,780 --> 01:54:04,260
Yeah the language
that I'd written down.

2417
01:54:04,260 --> 01:54:06,900
That's your exterior, though as
an actual Amendment language.

2418
01:54:06,900 --> 01:54:11,440
If we were to just do that, it
would be that public artwork

2419
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:16,260
shall not be permitted on or
within or I guess on within,

2420
01:54:16,260 --> 01:54:18,420
on municipal buildings,
school buildings,

2421
01:54:18,420 --> 01:54:20,800
or on property owned or
controlled by the Rocky

2422
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,160
Hill board of education.

2423
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:24,240
Sounds good.

2424
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,200
I want to put
exterior part though.

2425
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,920
That's We could put that on.

2426
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,160
On the exterior, we could
say that on the exterior

2427
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:35,760
of municipal buildings, school
buildings, or on property

2428
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,940
owned or controlled by the
Rocky Hill board of education.

2429
01:54:38,940 --> 01:54:43,810
One of the art class
wants to do a sculpture

2430
01:54:43,810 --> 01:54:45,730
or do some kind of painting.

2431
01:54:45,730 --> 01:54:48,090
The grounds around
a municipal building

2432
01:54:48,090 --> 01:54:50,150
would be available
as common spaces,

2433
01:54:50,150 --> 01:54:52,270
but the exterior of
the building itself,

2434
01:54:52,270 --> 01:54:53,590
under the way that
this is written,

2435
01:54:53,590 --> 01:54:55,450
would not be available
on the building

2436
01:54:55,450 --> 01:54:57,970
on the ground school grounds.

2437
01:54:57,970 --> 01:54:59,510
I think that would be
board of Ed decision.

2438
01:54:59,510 --> 01:55:02,450
That was more that was more a
deference to the Board of Ed

2439
01:55:02,450 --> 01:55:07,250
and that the town wouldn't take
a non-school related public art

2440
01:55:07,250 --> 01:55:09,330
project and put it
on the school grounds

2441
01:55:09,330 --> 01:55:12,970
to exclude them from being
able to this would not exclude

2442
01:55:12,970 --> 01:55:14,490
the Board of
Education from making

2443
01:55:14,490 --> 01:55:16,690
decisions about the
property they control.

2444
01:55:16,690 --> 01:55:21,510
I'm allowed kind
of our facilities.

2445
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:26,610


2446
01:55:26,610 --> 01:55:29,250
Did we come to a
decision on crosswalks?

2447
01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:31,010
I would say, can
we make a motion

2448
01:55:31,010 --> 01:55:36,030
to approve to with these
discussed changes, as discussed,

2449
01:55:36,030 --> 01:55:39,360
as well as adding the
no municipal exterior,

2450
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:41,340
but I think we have
to wait for Mukesh.

2451
01:55:41,340 --> 01:55:42,700
Oh, there he is.

2452
01:55:42,700 --> 01:55:44,700
Just to be clear, the.

2453
01:55:44,700 --> 01:55:46,740
Did we come to a different
decision around crosswalks

2454
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:50,540
or are we staying
where we're at.

2455
01:55:50,540 --> 01:55:51,520
I don't think we didn't.

2456
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:53,060
I don't think we came
to a different decision

2457
01:55:53,060 --> 01:55:54,040
around crosswalks.

2458
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:55,400
No OK.

2459
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:58,340


2460
01:55:58,340 --> 01:56:02,220
No, I would suggest that
the town manager rewrites

2461
01:56:02,220 --> 01:56:03,460
this so we could read it.

2462
01:56:03,460 --> 01:56:07,960
I'm not a big fan of
adding things and saying,

2463
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:09,580
add this and add that.

2464
01:56:09,580 --> 01:56:12,340
I'd rather see this document
back at the next town meeting

2465
01:56:12,340 --> 01:56:15,900
or council meeting
to vote on and read

2466
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:17,940
five five revisions here.

2467
01:56:17,940 --> 01:56:21,020
With all of us, having person
to person agreement that we're

2468
01:56:21,020 --> 01:56:22,520
coming back to vote on it.

2469
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:24,340
I'm OK with that.

2470
01:56:24,340 --> 01:56:25,460
I think that's fair.

2471
01:56:25,460 --> 01:56:27,820
I think that's fair.

2472
01:56:27,820 --> 01:56:31,620
OK I'll entertain a motion.

2473
01:56:31,620 --> 01:56:33,180
Somebody wants to.

2474
01:56:33,180 --> 01:56:35,800
Well, we just tabled a
motion for that is just.

2475
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:36,570
Is it a table.

2476
01:56:36,570 --> 01:56:37,890
Table? we can table this.

2477
01:56:37,890 --> 01:56:39,830
Yeah so I make a
motion to table.

2478
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:41,050
Second second.

2479
01:56:41,050 --> 01:56:46,510
Public parks policy for an
updated to make the revisions

2480
01:56:46,510 --> 01:56:48,950
for the respectable changes.

2481
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:50,550
For the next meeting.

2482
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:52,050
For the next town
council meeting.

2483
01:56:52,050 --> 01:56:53,870
Is he OK with that.

2484
01:56:53,870 --> 01:56:56,150
We got a second discussion.

2485
01:56:56,150 --> 01:56:57,330
Discussion? he's got.

2486
01:56:57,330 --> 01:57:00,610


2487
01:57:00,610 --> 01:57:01,110
A question.

2488
01:57:01,110 --> 01:57:02,090
Do you have a question.

2489
01:57:02,090 --> 01:57:02,730
I have a question.

2490
01:57:02,730 --> 01:57:04,510
Yeah regarding the
crosswalks, were

2491
01:57:04,510 --> 01:57:06,610
they included or just exclude.

2492
01:57:06,610 --> 01:57:07,990
The rest of the
policy is as we wrote

2493
01:57:07,990 --> 01:57:09,170
it up before we got in here.

2494
01:57:09,170 --> 01:57:12,110
So I'd say it's still
included crosswalks

2495
01:57:12,110 --> 01:57:15,030
that included those
changes we discussed

2496
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:17,670
in the Alan just went over.

2497
01:57:17,670 --> 01:57:18,410
Oh, OK.

2498
01:57:18,410 --> 01:57:28,270


2499
01:57:28,270 --> 01:57:33,030
All in favor of the motion.

2500
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:33,800
Abel? bill.

2501
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:37,600
Yeah, I just lost two hours.

2502
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,240
I oppose.

2503
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:40,300
I want to prove it.

2504
01:57:40,300 --> 01:57:44,180
All right.

2505
01:57:44,180 --> 01:57:47,160


2506
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:48,920
Where are we.

2507
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:52,040
Does anybody else need
a five minute recess.

2508
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:56,720
Yes move to recess, everybody.

2509
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:59,240
You get a motion.

2510
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:00,960
Second second.

2511
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:01,780
All in favor.

2512
01:58:01,780 --> 01:58:03,900
Aye see you back in a hard five.

2513
01:58:03,900 --> 01:58:06,520


2514
01:58:06,520 --> 02:01:52,500
It reminds me of my grandpa.

2515
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:53,600
My grandpa.

2516
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:54,460
All right.

2517
02:01:54,460 --> 02:01:59,520


2518
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:00,060
All right.

2519
02:02:00,060 --> 02:02:01,320
We're all back.

2520
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:06,300
Almost there.

2521
02:02:06,300 --> 02:02:10,720


2522
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,080
Ray, do you want to.

2523
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:16,160
Well, next item on the agenda
is making a motion to return.

2524
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:18,000
Would somebody like to
make a motion to return.

2525
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:19,460
We'll return to session.

2526
02:02:19,460 --> 02:02:21,240
Second All in favor.

2527
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:23,860
Aye all right.

2528
02:02:23,860 --> 02:02:26,050
Next item on the agenda.

2529
02:02:26,050 --> 02:02:27,950
Shared services and
operational assessments.

2530
02:02:27,950 --> 02:02:30,090
Ray, would you like
to get us started.

2531
02:02:30,090 --> 02:02:34,930
The document that was just
passed out, the little chart

2532
02:02:34,930 --> 02:02:36,890
that has the option.

2533
02:02:36,890 --> 02:02:39,570
Option 1, 2, and 3.

2534
02:02:39,570 --> 02:02:40,630
If you recall.

2535
02:02:40,630 --> 02:02:43,930


2536
02:02:43,930 --> 02:02:46,210
The council wanted
us to reach out

2537
02:02:46,210 --> 02:02:53,050
to get a price for
public safety, which

2538
02:02:53,050 --> 02:02:55,890
included the police, fire,
and EMS and the highway

2539
02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:58,490
and public works.

2540
02:02:58,490 --> 02:03:02,970
This chart identifies.

2541
02:03:02,970 --> 02:03:09,690
Two quotes the column that
says, quote is the cost

2542
02:03:09,690 --> 02:03:13,350
for public safety admin only.

2543
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:17,290


2544
02:03:17,290 --> 02:03:23,250
The second one down,
the quote of $97,000

2545
02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:27,180
is the public safety admin
and operations for the fire.

2546
02:03:27,180 --> 02:03:30,180
Police and fire
and then the public

2547
02:03:30,180 --> 02:03:37,900
works and grounds is 70,000.

2548
02:03:37,900 --> 02:03:39,960
Going to the right column.

2549
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:44,020


2550
02:03:44,020 --> 02:03:47,320
Is the cost for
what I wanted to do.

2551
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:48,160
She broke out.

2552
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:49,320
She asked for a quote.

2553
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:52,140
Just for police.

2554
02:03:52,140 --> 02:03:53,000
No thank you.

2555
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:57,860


2556
02:03:57,860 --> 02:03:59,740
For police only.

2557
02:03:59,740 --> 02:04:01,100
For police.

2558
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:02,940
Admin only.

2559
02:04:02,940 --> 02:04:08,100
It would be $45,000 price.

2560
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:14,380
And for public safety, admin
and operations would be 67,000.

2561
02:04:14,380 --> 02:04:19,140
So those were because the
other prices came back

2562
02:04:19,140 --> 02:04:20,560
before these were broken up.

2563
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:21,620
They were pretty high.

2564
02:04:21,620 --> 02:04:24,430
So Mona asked to say, how
much would it cost if you just

2565
02:04:24,430 --> 02:04:26,750
do like police and admin only.

2566
02:04:26,750 --> 02:04:30,070
Or instead of just
like the whole police

2567
02:04:30,070 --> 02:04:33,630
department with Patrol.

2568
02:04:33,630 --> 02:04:34,690
I'm sorry.

2569
02:04:34,690 --> 02:04:36,290
My voice is like treacherous.

2570
02:04:36,290 --> 02:04:36,810
I'm sorry.

2571
02:04:36,810 --> 02:04:43,070
Sorry so yes, their original
quote was the column left

2572
02:04:43,070 --> 02:04:47,750
and then we went back and said
if we removed the fire at EMS,

2573
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:48,970
what would it be if you did.

2574
02:04:48,970 --> 02:04:52,590
Police admin for clarification.

2575
02:04:52,590 --> 02:04:56,230
Admin we explained to
them according to an org

2576
02:04:56,230 --> 02:05:01,810
chart from the police, which
was from the chief lieutenants,

2577
02:05:01,810 --> 02:05:08,410
sergeants, detectives and any
non patrolling patrol officers.

2578
02:05:08,410 --> 02:05:13,230
So it's that group of
11 out of the 50 plus,

2579
02:05:13,230 --> 02:05:17,550
and then the 67,000 would
be complete operations

2580
02:05:17,550 --> 02:05:21,680
of the police department
compared to what was

2581
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:24,860
to the left column, which
was looking at police,

2582
02:05:24,860 --> 02:05:26,380
fire, and ambulance.

2583
02:05:26,380 --> 02:05:31,320


2584
02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:32,720
And I said, I don't
know if you said there

2585
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:37,200
was four requests sent out.

2586
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:41,120
Seager was the only one that
responded back to the request.

2587
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,280
So we had three other vendors
who actually have done

2588
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:49,540
similar processes throughout
the state on these areas,

2589
02:05:49,540 --> 02:05:50,820
but they did not respond.

2590
02:05:50,820 --> 02:05:55,360
So we still have Seeger, who did
respond and did the follow up.

2591
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,240
Did they not respond because
they don't want to do it

2592
02:05:57,240 --> 02:06:00,060
or they just didn't respond.

2593
02:06:00,060 --> 02:06:01,220
I'm not sure why.

2594
02:06:01,220 --> 02:06:03,200
OK yeah.

2595
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:06,080
Can I ask a reminder question.

2596
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,140
And I should have I
could have pulled it up.

2597
02:06:08,140 --> 02:06:13,120
But what is the public
works budget from last year

2598
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:18,400
and what is the public
safety just so I can.

2599
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,530
I brought that with me.

2600
02:06:20,530 --> 02:06:24,730
OK, so 10% would be 10.

2601
02:06:24,730 --> 02:06:28,290
Yeah, 10.5 million,
give or take.

2602
02:06:28,290 --> 02:06:31,170
So we have the.

2603
02:06:31,170 --> 02:06:31,750
Excuse me.

2604
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:35,930
The public works with grounds
was a total of three million.

2605
02:06:35,930 --> 02:06:41,030
The two groups together,
then all public safety,

2606
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:47,050
which was the admin
piece was 1.4 million.

2607
02:06:47,050 --> 02:06:51,730
Let's see if I were to let
me see if I can separate

2608
02:06:51,730 --> 02:06:56,010
out the fire admin on that.

2609
02:06:56,010 --> 02:06:57,710
So that would be one point.

2610
02:06:57,710 --> 02:06:58,790
And this is rough.

2611
02:06:58,790 --> 02:07:02,270
Like 1.2 million
would be police.

2612
02:07:02,270 --> 02:07:04,270
So what about the
operations if Mona,

2613
02:07:04,270 --> 02:07:08,930
if you include the operations
with operations for police,

2614
02:07:08,930 --> 02:07:11,810
for everything, for
operations with public safety,

2615
02:07:11,810 --> 02:07:14,170
public safety, police, fire.

2616
02:07:14,170 --> 02:07:16,210
Yeah was that 9.3?

2617
02:07:16,210 --> 02:07:16,990
That's what I mean.

2618
02:07:16,990 --> 02:07:20,420
10% I told you that before.

2619
02:07:20,420 --> 02:07:21,440
That's the big one.

2620
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:39,880
Yeah how much control
do we have over the EMS.

2621
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:42,460
What do we give them.

2622
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:44,300
We don't give them much money.

2623
02:07:44,300 --> 02:07:48,100
And we wouldn't have much say
because it's not a profit.

2624
02:07:48,100 --> 02:07:50,580
Yeah which is really why I
went with the alternative

2625
02:07:50,580 --> 02:07:53,860
to see if it was police only.

2626
02:07:53,860 --> 02:07:54,600
Yeah right.

2627
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:58,300
Now that the budget
for ambulance.

2628
02:07:58,300 --> 02:08:00,260
Yeah, we've got about
200 that we're paying

2629
02:08:00,260 --> 02:08:02,540
for Aetna ambulance service.

2630
02:08:02,540 --> 02:08:07,160
Otherwise we're paying for
pension, health insurance.

2631
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:11,580
And we give the volunteer
a small around $10,000

2632
02:08:11,580 --> 02:08:14,620
for whether they
wanted to buy computers

2633
02:08:14,620 --> 02:08:17,860
or just a discretionary fund.

2634
02:08:17,860 --> 02:08:22,040
So yeah, the volunteer
portion of it is minimal.

2635
02:08:22,040 --> 02:08:26,740
It's probably less than
100 pensions, about 65.

2636
02:08:26,740 --> 02:08:30,180
Those are all controlled
correct things

2637
02:08:30,180 --> 02:08:32,220
that we can't change anyhow.

2638
02:08:32,220 --> 02:08:33,520
Not a lot of flexibility.

2639
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:38,520
Correct so I don't know if we
pulled EMS out in the fire.

2640
02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:39,820
It seems right.

2641
02:08:39,820 --> 02:08:41,620
And the fire should stay.

2642
02:08:41,620 --> 02:08:47,760
Fire and the fire wasn't much
for the admin for the operation.

2643
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:48,700
The operational.

2644
02:08:48,700 --> 02:08:51,520
Yeah, I think we should
not even worry about admin.

2645
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:52,840
It has to be admin operations.

2646
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:55,740
Otherwise you just don't do it.

2647
02:08:55,740 --> 02:08:57,800
I mean, it's 1 million
versus 10 million.

2648
02:08:57,800 --> 02:08:59,900
So yeah.

2649
02:08:59,900 --> 02:09:01,620
Yeah right.

2650
02:09:01,620 --> 02:09:02,280
Like right.

2651
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:04,120
I mean you're going
through the thing.

2652
02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:06,500
I mean it's like let's
just not do that.

2653
02:09:06,500 --> 02:09:07,000
It's fine.

2654
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:08,000
It's not worth it.

2655
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,900
It was like the
one unless we get.

2656
02:09:09,900 --> 02:09:13,590
Yeah Like I said I don't
disagree one way or the other

2657
02:09:13,590 --> 02:09:16,010
with any of these, I
think my concern was,

2658
02:09:16,010 --> 02:09:19,070
I know we did the
$65,000 of contingency

2659
02:09:19,070 --> 02:09:20,370
and I saw the results.

2660
02:09:20,370 --> 02:09:22,950
So just went back and asked
the additional question

2661
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:25,630
in case you would prefer
to fit to the budget versus

2662
02:09:25,630 --> 02:09:27,550
is the reasonable approach.

2663
02:09:27,550 --> 02:09:34,950
Option two without fire EMS,
it would be police only at 67.

2664
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:38,850
Yeah is that that's
what that column is.

2665
02:09:38,850 --> 02:09:42,790
Yeah what's fire for
the budget overall.

2666
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:43,550
Do you know.

2667
02:09:43,550 --> 02:09:47,510
Yeah, I think I brought
that one with me.

2668
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:52,110
We would be looking at admin
and operations 1.7 million.

2669
02:09:52,110 --> 02:09:54,290
Yeah I want 1.3.

2670
02:09:54,290 --> 02:10:00,950
1.4 I mean, if you really
wanted to do it, we can put

2671
02:10:00,950 --> 02:10:03,870
$40,000 in the upcoming budget.

2672
02:10:03,870 --> 02:10:06,750
It's not like
that's too far away.

2673
02:10:06,750 --> 02:10:11,390
If there is a can do it. $40,000
in $100 million dollar budget.

2674
02:10:11,390 --> 02:10:12,760
That's what we
were talking about.

2675
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:14,660
So I don't see if
there is a will.

2676
02:10:14,660 --> 02:10:15,380
There is a way.

2677
02:10:15,380 --> 02:10:17,140
I don't see 100,000
as a big deal,

2678
02:10:17,140 --> 02:10:19,860
really on $100 million budget.

2679
02:10:19,860 --> 02:10:21,900
It's 0.1% I hear you.

2680
02:10:21,900 --> 02:10:23,680
I'm going to definitely
remember those words as we're

2681
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:24,940
going through budget workshops.

2682
02:10:24,940 --> 02:10:28,480
Yeah, for something
we have not done ever.

2683
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:29,633
Yeah it's worth it.

2684
02:10:29,633 --> 02:10:30,800
Yeah if you're
going to tell me I'm

2685
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,120
going to hire another
person that's a different.

2686
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:33,660
Fair enough.

2687
02:10:33,660 --> 02:10:34,940
Fair enough.

2688
02:10:34,940 --> 02:10:35,460
Fair enough.

2689
02:10:35,460 --> 02:10:36,640
We haven't done before.

2690
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:38,180
Yeah will where there's a will.

2691
02:10:38,180 --> 02:10:38,780
There's a way.

2692
02:10:38,780 --> 02:10:39,740
Yeah exactly.

2693
02:10:39,740 --> 02:10:44,480
For things we want to actually
I need to do I mean if we don't

2694
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:46,520
again, I mean it all
depends like if you want

2695
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:48,520
to look deep or
not, if you don't

2696
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:50,400
want to look deep in anything.

2697
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:54,120
Sure, we can keep
spending the money.

2698
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:58,920
It's a $10 million budget
for just public safety.

2699
02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:01,220
I mean, you spend
$100,000 for $10 million.

2700
02:11:01,220 --> 02:11:05,300
I would do it tomorrow, but
you're not me, so that's OK.

2701
02:11:05,300 --> 02:11:08,020
I know that what you're saying
makes plenty of logical sense.

2702
02:11:08,020 --> 02:11:11,490
For some reason, I can't shake
this feeling that it's like,

2703
02:11:11,490 --> 02:11:14,850
just put a little more down on
this spot on the roulette wheel

2704
02:11:14,850 --> 02:11:15,750
right now.

2705
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:17,150
Because we just
we've been worrying

2706
02:11:17,150 --> 02:11:18,650
about the expenditure
of it and whether we're

2707
02:11:18,650 --> 02:11:19,670
going to get it back.

2708
02:11:19,670 --> 02:11:20,750
Yeah so here's the thing.

2709
02:11:20,750 --> 02:11:24,970
I think John mentioned this last
time, if I remember correctly,

2710
02:11:24,970 --> 02:11:29,250
yeah, I will be happy if
they said there's nothing

2711
02:11:29,250 --> 02:11:30,230
wrong with this department.

2712
02:11:30,230 --> 02:11:31,110
Like there is nothing.

2713
02:11:31,110 --> 02:11:33,210
We are doing everything great.

2714
02:11:33,210 --> 02:11:36,330
It's like the best run
department in the whole state.

2715
02:11:36,330 --> 02:11:39,170
Sure, I will take that.

2716
02:11:39,170 --> 02:11:39,790
I agree.

2717
02:11:39,790 --> 02:11:41,210
I don't think I don't
think you're going

2718
02:11:41,210 --> 02:11:42,970
to find that with fire, though.

2719
02:11:42,970 --> 02:11:44,217
I would rather put.

2720
02:11:44,217 --> 02:11:45,950
I mean, if we're going to
put any additional effort,

2721
02:11:45,950 --> 02:11:48,890
I would certainly
look at town Hall.

2722
02:11:48,890 --> 02:11:51,210
I mean, there's a thing
on the prior spreadsheet

2723
02:11:51,210 --> 02:11:54,130
that we were given
for a proposal

2724
02:11:54,130 --> 02:11:57,570
that there's a lot of overlap
between HR and payroll.

2725
02:11:57,570 --> 02:11:59,270
Not that we're going to be
getting a couple hundred

2726
02:11:59,270 --> 02:12:02,890
thousand dollars, but
if we fine tune what's

2727
02:12:02,890 --> 02:12:06,650
the operations of town Hall
with certain departments,

2728
02:12:06,650 --> 02:12:10,300
then as a taxpayer, would
certainly feel more comfortable

2729
02:12:10,300 --> 02:12:13,940
knowing that our taxpayer, our
tax dollars are being utilized

2730
02:12:13,940 --> 02:12:16,340
well in town operations.

2731
02:12:16,340 --> 02:12:21,060
But I wouldn't put 100% of
it at just public safety.

2732
02:12:21,060 --> 02:12:24,840
The police I would be an
advocate for option two.

2733
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:27,340
Police only.

2734
02:12:27,340 --> 02:12:31,900
And then if we talk about a
phase Ii later in the year,

2735
02:12:31,900 --> 02:12:36,780
then we look at the
municipal departments.

2736
02:12:36,780 --> 02:12:38,160
What was the figure on those.

2737
02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:44,860
Do you have it up without the
Board of Ed finance and finance.

2738
02:12:44,860 --> 02:12:49,500
Admin and HR was
between 45 and 48.

2739
02:12:49,500 --> 02:12:54,720
And if you add HR
that's another 2325.

2740
02:12:54,720 --> 02:13:00,140
So that's 70 roughly 7075.

2741
02:13:00,140 --> 02:13:03,080
That's for five departments
four departments.

2742
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:05,980


2743
02:13:05,980 --> 02:13:12,310
What is the percentage of the
budget if you take those four.

2744
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:13,610
It could be tough.

2745
02:13:13,610 --> 02:13:17,270
I mean, right now we
have the contingency

2746
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:20,630
and being aware that
the 65 was set aside.

2747
02:13:20,630 --> 02:13:23,470
I would say from the
last financial we did,

2748
02:13:23,470 --> 02:13:27,990
I'm concerned about what
this snowstorm has done.

2749
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:34,270
I think we're basically 150% for
the overtime for snow removal.

2750
02:13:34,270 --> 02:13:36,290
And salt is pretty bad.

2751
02:13:36,290 --> 02:13:37,490
And this is where I'd get it.

2752
02:13:37,490 --> 02:13:40,650
So I'm as well as a couple
of retirements that go there.

2753
02:13:40,650 --> 02:13:42,670
So it would be close.

2754
02:13:42,670 --> 02:13:44,690
I mean, it would be
my recommendation.

2755
02:13:44,690 --> 02:13:47,130
I mean, seriously, I think
if we went with both,

2756
02:13:47,130 --> 02:13:52,190
I would try looking at freezing
some discretionary expenditures

2757
02:13:52,190 --> 02:13:53,650
throughout other departments.

2758
02:13:53,650 --> 02:13:55,250
Do you have any recommendations.

2759
02:13:55,250 --> 02:13:58,030


2760
02:13:58,030 --> 02:13:59,310
For freezing.

2761
02:13:59,310 --> 02:14:00,230
For freezing.

2762
02:14:00,230 --> 02:14:04,450
When I well when we make the
freeze we do it across all.

2763
02:14:04,450 --> 02:14:08,000
It's just any nondiscretionary.

2764
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:12,880
OK well, I thought
you were going

2765
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:13,940
to have the recommendation.

2766
02:14:13,940 --> 02:14:14,220
What? you.

2767
02:14:14,220 --> 02:14:15,087
Yeah, that's what I meant.

2768
02:14:15,087 --> 02:14:18,060
We should do here from your end.

2769
02:14:18,060 --> 02:14:20,040
Financing do you see the.

2770
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:21,540
If we were to do any of this.

2771
02:14:21,540 --> 02:14:23,660
The best bang for our buck.

2772
02:14:23,660 --> 02:14:25,480
If you want to say.

2773
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:30,660
Do you think is there an area
that you think in the town.

2774
02:14:30,660 --> 02:14:32,940
I think what John said
might be the best, but.

2775
02:14:32,940 --> 02:14:35,560
Yeah could you put them
all into that one table

2776
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:37,280
that you created
with the colors that

2777
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:38,860
had the budget and then the.

2778
02:14:38,860 --> 02:14:39,940
I think that would be helpful.

2779
02:14:39,940 --> 02:14:43,600
Yeah and we did have AI don't
think I don't know if I brought

2780
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:47,000
it with me, but we had asked
all of these vendors, when we're

2781
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:49,680
in the very early
stages of what would

2782
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:51,720
be the best bang for your buck.

2783
02:14:51,720 --> 02:14:53,100
And they did come out with that.

2784
02:14:53,100 --> 02:14:56,780
And I don't know if I
brought the table with me.

2785
02:14:56,780 --> 02:14:59,280
If not, I can have
it for the next.

2786
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:03,530
I mean, the phased approach
is not bad to actually

2787
02:15:03,530 --> 02:15:08,330
if you go like phase
Ii, that might give us

2788
02:15:08,330 --> 02:15:11,630
a little bit of cushion
on the budget side,

2789
02:15:11,630 --> 02:15:18,570
but also see how it plays
out, that can be a possibility

2790
02:15:18,570 --> 02:15:20,290
if you do a phased one.

2791
02:15:20,290 --> 02:15:28,470
So in option two the police only
but that's admin and operations.

2792
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:32,050
So that.

2793
02:15:32,050 --> 02:15:35,170
The whole police budget
or is that still taking.

2794
02:15:35,170 --> 02:15:39,890
Does that mean include
every patrol officer.

2795
02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:41,750
The second line.

2796
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:43,970
So option two that
says police only

2797
02:15:43,970 --> 02:15:47,910
is everything from dispatch
to records to patrols.

2798
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:50,190
It's the whole entire.

2799
02:15:50,190 --> 02:15:54,250
So I mean that's certainly
a large that's certainly

2800
02:15:54,250 --> 02:16:01,210
a much larger budget number
than just police administration

2801
02:16:01,210 --> 02:16:02,200
duration for sure.

2802
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:08,420
Yeah, that's 7 million
instead of one.

2803
02:16:08,420 --> 02:16:14,660
And would include equipment
and everything else.

2804
02:16:14,660 --> 02:16:17,840
Yeah and I'd say I wouldn't.

2805
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:20,260
I know if we're
thinking down the line,

2806
02:16:20,260 --> 02:16:24,700
I would not rule out
that public works parks

2807
02:16:24,700 --> 02:16:27,140
grounds is an option as well.

2808
02:16:27,140 --> 02:16:30,540
I think you may see
something that overlaps.

2809
02:16:30,540 --> 02:16:32,879
Yeah and that's a
similar dollar amount.

2810
02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:33,760
A little bit.

2811
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:37,580
A little bit lower dollar amount
but maybe more like equipment,

2812
02:16:37,580 --> 02:16:40,660
less people but more equipment
and other expenditures

2813
02:16:40,660 --> 02:16:41,160
like that.

2814
02:16:41,160 --> 02:16:48,580
Yeah just so I'm clear.

2815
02:16:48,580 --> 02:16:51,180
When we give them these
budgets or whatever they're

2816
02:16:51,180 --> 02:16:56,940
going to purview, whatever that
includes what their proposals

2817
02:16:56,940 --> 02:17:00,610
are in the future because
I know public works,

2818
02:17:00,610 --> 02:17:02,530
we have that new
building or whatever.

2819
02:17:02,530 --> 02:17:05,730
That would be part of the
scope of their review.

2820
02:17:05,730 --> 02:17:09,350
I would hope if we ask
it to be, it will be OK.

2821
02:17:09,350 --> 02:17:13,129
OK just meaning it's not
just what we've spent.

2822
02:17:13,129 --> 02:17:14,570
It's what we're about to spend.

2823
02:17:14,570 --> 02:17:17,590
Yeah Yeah so if
they would come back

2824
02:17:17,590 --> 02:17:19,910
and say yes, you need
a larger facility.

2825
02:17:19,910 --> 02:17:20,530
Well, yeah.

2826
02:17:20,530 --> 02:17:22,910
No, there's two
edge to this sword.

2827
02:17:22,910 --> 02:17:26,910


2828
02:17:26,910 --> 02:17:30,110
So for.

2829
02:17:30,110 --> 02:17:31,590
Yeah for public works,
they may come back

2830
02:17:31,590 --> 02:17:34,910
and say, well, this
small older building

2831
02:17:34,910 --> 02:17:37,270
is costing you more money
because it's less efficient

2832
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:37,930
or whatever.

2833
02:17:37,930 --> 02:17:40,709
You should be ready to get
a new building or whatever

2834
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:44,530
just out of hypothetically.

2835
02:17:44,530 --> 02:17:47,230
Same thing could be said
on for public safety

2836
02:17:47,230 --> 02:17:48,090
on the police side.

2837
02:17:48,090 --> 02:17:51,090
Maybe they say, well, based on
your scheduling and overtime,

2838
02:17:51,090 --> 02:17:53,389
we recommend you hire
more police officers

2839
02:17:53,389 --> 02:17:59,000
and that will end up saving you
money, or make better services

2840
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:02,719
or it could happen.

2841
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:06,160
I like counselor
Emanuel's thought,

2842
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:08,480
just go police
and operations now

2843
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:13,240
and if we want to later
go after town Hall stuff.

2844
02:18:13,240 --> 02:18:16,700
But in any case,
I'd support that.

2845
02:18:16,700 --> 02:18:19,059
I think you were
saying to do both.

2846
02:18:19,059 --> 02:18:19,980
Just phase it.

2847
02:18:19,980 --> 02:18:21,940
You weren't saying
just to do one.

2848
02:18:21,940 --> 02:18:25,020
Yeah, it's just
phase, but you should.

2849
02:18:25,020 --> 02:18:28,180
I mean, we want to include
police and fire in there, right.

2850
02:18:28,180 --> 02:18:30,360
The first one.

2851
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:33,080
No, no, no, I think personally,
I don't think we're going

2852
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:34,879
to get that much out of fire.

2853
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:39,160
I don't have anything to say
specific other than anecdotally.

2854
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:41,940
I've seen some of the stuff
that the fire department does.

2855
02:18:41,940 --> 02:18:45,080
And I wonder if we really
like they probably are getting

2856
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:46,980
a lot of good use out of
the dollars they do have,

2857
02:18:46,980 --> 02:18:49,840
and they don't ask a lot every
year on their budget open to it

2858
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:51,180
if it's critical to you.

2859
02:18:51,180 --> 02:18:55,420
I think if we start with police
administration and operations,

2860
02:18:55,420 --> 02:18:57,290
that's a big chunk right there.

2861
02:18:57,290 --> 02:18:58,850
And the fire
department takes a lot

2862
02:18:58,850 --> 02:19:01,250
in as you know from
other sources as well,

2863
02:19:01,250 --> 02:19:02,670
more so than our
police department.

2864
02:19:02,670 --> 02:19:05,530
So I think we could come
back to that in the future

2865
02:19:05,530 --> 02:19:08,057
if phase I of this
works out really well

2866
02:19:08,057 --> 02:19:10,190
and we're finding we're getting
efficiencies all over the place,

2867
02:19:10,190 --> 02:19:14,889
maybe we think it's a more I
think going with your 10% the 7

2868
02:19:14,889 --> 02:19:19,129
million for police,
admin and operations

2869
02:19:19,129 --> 02:19:21,590
and getting it for 67,
which is less than 10%

2870
02:19:21,590 --> 02:19:25,370
I think it's a good
more bang for your buck.

2871
02:19:25,370 --> 02:19:27,730
Would this go out to bid.

2872
02:19:27,730 --> 02:19:31,070
No well, we did the
RFP at this point.

2873
02:19:31,070 --> 02:19:33,650
So this is the responses.

2874
02:19:33,650 --> 02:19:35,270
We got one back go
back and rebid it.

2875
02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:36,570
Oh you did it for that.

2876
02:19:36,570 --> 02:19:37,070
Oh OK.

2877
02:19:37,070 --> 02:19:40,110
I thought you just reached out
to these people to look at this.

2878
02:19:40,110 --> 02:19:42,830
It was not a formal
process though.

2879
02:19:42,830 --> 02:19:43,790
It was RFP.

2880
02:19:43,790 --> 02:19:45,309
Yeah Just went out for a quote.

2881
02:19:45,309 --> 02:19:45,990
Just yeah.

2882
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:49,290
She sent an email out
saying I need the code

2883
02:19:49,290 --> 02:19:53,190
and gave them the 10 day option,
and there was no response.

2884
02:19:53,190 --> 02:19:58,180
So yeah, I'm wondering like
counselor Kaplan has said

2885
02:19:58,180 --> 02:20:02,680
in the past, like
we asked for police,

2886
02:20:02,680 --> 02:20:06,600
but she always recommended,
well, what would fire cost.

2887
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:09,700
Sometimes she said,
these companies

2888
02:20:09,700 --> 02:20:12,220
put a lower rate
on just to throw

2889
02:20:12,220 --> 02:20:15,107
in that as a good faith thing.

2890
02:20:15,107 --> 02:20:15,640
So I don't know.

2891
02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:16,920
Yeah, I would agree.

2892
02:20:16,920 --> 02:20:21,100
We could go back and say, hey,
can you make a best price.

2893
02:20:21,100 --> 02:20:22,100
Yeah right.

2894
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:25,300
Yeah I agree, I think
just thinking, because I'm

2895
02:20:25,300 --> 02:20:26,360
kind of interested in fire.

2896
02:20:26,360 --> 02:20:29,220
He's kind of interested in fire.

2897
02:20:29,220 --> 02:20:32,620
Yeah could you come down
just to see come down

2898
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:35,500
and what would be police and
fire and with best price,

2899
02:20:35,500 --> 02:20:36,000
please.

2900
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:41,660
Yeah Yeah and it is, as
we learned with the other,

2901
02:20:41,660 --> 02:20:44,300
it is manageable
to the point, as we

2902
02:20:44,300 --> 02:20:46,580
are the ones that
decide how many

2903
02:20:46,580 --> 02:20:48,000
people they want to interview.

2904
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,680
So if we say you're
going to go to fire,

2905
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:54,670
but don't interview
every firefighter then so

2906
02:20:54,670 --> 02:20:56,710
we can control it to an extent.

2907
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:58,630
Yeah, obviously
they wouldn't choose

2908
02:20:58,630 --> 02:21:03,630
to not interview people that
were appropriate for decisions.

2909
02:21:03,630 --> 02:21:05,970
So how would you recommend
going forward with that.

2910
02:21:05,970 --> 02:21:09,030
Do we do you put out
another RFP or you

2911
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:10,870
just ask these people
because they're

2912
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:12,910
the only ones that responded.

2913
02:21:12,910 --> 02:21:16,190
Do we want to do we want to
basically set it up so that we

2914
02:21:16,190 --> 02:21:18,450
accept one of the
options we have now,

2915
02:21:18,450 --> 02:21:23,230
if we can't get some
better, like best

2916
02:21:23,230 --> 02:21:27,310
price to add in or do we say
that we would approve it.

2917
02:21:27,310 --> 02:21:29,110
I'd rather hear back.

2918
02:21:29,110 --> 02:21:32,230
And then we can just have a
quick five minute conversation

2919
02:21:32,230 --> 02:21:33,530
and get it done.

2920
02:21:33,530 --> 02:21:36,090
If we can get the table
of it all together in one.

2921
02:21:36,090 --> 02:21:39,470
So we can say, all right, looks
like police in town, admin

2922
02:21:39,470 --> 02:21:41,010
or whatever is good.

2923
02:21:41,010 --> 02:21:45,150
And we know we need to account
for an additional x amount

2924
02:21:45,150 --> 02:21:46,810
potentially for phase Ii.

2925
02:21:46,810 --> 02:21:50,370
And hopefully, we can make a
decision on the next meeting.

2926
02:21:50,370 --> 02:21:50,930
Works well.

2927
02:21:50,930 --> 02:21:51,540
Works for me.

2928
02:21:51,540 --> 02:21:52,673
It sounds like
we're going to have

2929
02:21:52,673 --> 02:21:54,800
a very decisive next meeting
on a lot of subjects.

2930
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:55,520
It could be.

2931
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:56,620
Yes yeah.

2932
02:21:56,620 --> 02:21:57,220
You're right.

2933
02:21:57,220 --> 02:21:58,180
Now a lot of oats.

2934
02:21:58,180 --> 02:22:01,100
You're exactly
your favorite part.

2935
02:22:01,100 --> 02:22:05,040
You'll be able to make a
motion and we will vote on it.

2936
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,200
Part is just responding.

2937
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:08,180
We'll let you do a motion.

2938
02:22:08,180 --> 02:22:11,920
So just to clarify, because I
think you were kind of getting

2939
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,400
off track a little bit,
are we just looking

2940
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:16,780
at police and fire police.

2941
02:22:16,780 --> 02:22:19,720
We're kind of leaning
towards I think.

2942
02:22:19,720 --> 02:22:22,160
Yeah And is there
a way that they

2943
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:23,900
could do something for fire.

2944
02:22:23,900 --> 02:22:25,880
I'm going to ask that what
we're doing right now.

2945
02:22:25,880 --> 02:22:26,767
Yes yeah.

2946
02:22:26,767 --> 02:22:27,700
We're going to ask for that.

2947
02:22:27,700 --> 02:22:31,800
If they could bring a quote for
include fire but didn't perfect.

2948
02:22:31,800 --> 02:22:32,620
It doesn't.

2949
02:22:32,620 --> 02:22:36,280
Isn't that what they did
though, is this police and fire

2950
02:22:36,280 --> 02:22:37,880
EMS, EMS as well.

2951
02:22:37,880 --> 02:22:40,600
But then we're going to
say, hey, best price too.

2952
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:42,000
Yeah, exactly.

2953
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:43,820
Just bundle it
work for you, Mona.

2954
02:22:43,820 --> 02:22:49,730
Yes but we've also we've also
already option to police only

2955
02:22:49,730 --> 02:22:53,010
is already our entire
budget for this.

2956
02:22:53,010 --> 02:22:54,590
So if they come back
and they say, hey,

2957
02:22:54,590 --> 02:22:59,450
we'll throw in fire for $5,000,
we're already technically

2958
02:22:59,450 --> 02:23:01,230
over budget at that level.

2959
02:23:01,230 --> 02:23:04,410
I have a feeling that we would
all be amenable to making

2960
02:23:04,410 --> 02:23:05,830
a decision in that moment.

2961
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:10,430
And by the time this gets
rolling, we'll have approved.

2962
02:23:10,430 --> 02:23:11,270
We'll have flying.

2963
02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:13,130
The police will have
flying cars by the time

2964
02:23:13,130 --> 02:23:14,830
so we can add it
in the next budget.

2965
02:23:14,830 --> 02:23:16,270
Yeah, we'll all have jetpacks.

2966
02:23:16,270 --> 02:23:18,630
Yeah we may have to add a
little bit onto our budget.

2967
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:22,010
By then I'll have
my salt delivery in.

2968
02:23:22,010 --> 02:23:24,110
Oh, I will know if
we can afford it.

2969
02:23:24,110 --> 02:23:25,770
OK good.

2970
02:23:25,770 --> 02:23:30,370
Salt gotta have salt. OK, so
we're all clear where we're at.

2971
02:23:30,370 --> 02:23:32,870
We've narrowed, so
we're all in agreement.

2972
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:39,090
We've narrowed it down to just
police now, admin and operations

2973
02:23:39,090 --> 02:23:43,850
and see if we can get
it with police and fire.

2974
02:23:43,850 --> 02:23:46,810
And your lowest and best price.

2975
02:23:46,810 --> 02:23:53,580
Yep although you didn't have
the list of what they suggested

2976
02:23:53,580 --> 02:23:55,940
were the most impactful.

2977
02:23:55,940 --> 02:23:56,840
I was going to bring that.

2978
02:23:56,840 --> 02:23:57,680
I'll bring that.

2979
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:02,060
And I just I want to continue
it after next meeting.

2980
02:24:02,060 --> 02:24:07,260
These were the meetings
are already getting longer.

2981
02:24:07,260 --> 02:24:08,960
Next meetings are
already getting longer.

2982
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:09,940
Adding it back on.

2983
02:24:09,940 --> 02:24:11,200
Yeah so what are we doing.

2984
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:13,380
We are making a
motion or a motion

2985
02:24:13,380 --> 02:24:15,200
to table the next meeting.

2986
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:16,080
I think we just keep.

2987
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:18,040
Yeah Second OK.

2988
02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:18,920
All in favor.

2989
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:19,880
Aye in favor.

2990
02:24:19,880 --> 02:24:23,020
Aye keep it on the table.

2991
02:24:23,020 --> 02:24:24,260
All right.

2992
02:24:24,260 --> 02:24:25,840
New business discussion.

2993
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:26,560
Possible action.

2994
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:28,700
Land preservation trust fund.

2995
02:24:28,700 --> 02:24:31,400
Is this Mona you as
well to go through that,

2996
02:24:31,400 --> 02:24:35,660
or does John need to I can
go through it and Mona can.

2997
02:24:35,660 --> 02:24:38,100
Have you got.

2998
02:24:38,100 --> 02:24:39,160
We can save Mona's voice.

2999
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:41,940
A little bit of talk.

3000
02:24:41,940 --> 02:24:47,010
So the land preservation
trust fund is in the budget,

3001
02:24:47,010 --> 02:24:51,190
and it was first
enacted in 2003.

3002
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:55,070
And the simple purpose was it
creates a permanent, legally

3003
02:24:55,070 --> 02:24:57,830
protected pot of
money that could only

3004
02:24:57,830 --> 02:25:00,710
be used to buy, protect,
and improve conservation

3005
02:25:00,710 --> 02:25:02,710
land in Rocky Hill.

3006
02:25:02,710 --> 02:25:04,630
So why does this matter.

3007
02:25:04,630 --> 02:25:08,270
It turns land preservation from
a year to year policy choice

3008
02:25:08,270 --> 02:25:11,230
into a long term
financial commitment.

3009
02:25:11,230 --> 02:25:14,690
This was slightly
amended in 2007,

3010
02:25:14,690 --> 02:25:16,890
but 0 over the past 20 years.

3011
02:25:16,890 --> 02:25:19,750
Nothing has really
happened to it.

3012
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:25,830
There's currently 27, I believe,
close to $28,000 in the account.

3013
02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:28,590
It actually should have 50
according to the ordinance.

3014
02:25:28,590 --> 02:25:32,390
But what we want to do is.

3015
02:25:32,390 --> 02:25:36,030
Put more attention to
this fund and start

3016
02:25:36,030 --> 02:25:39,510
having some money go into it.

3017
02:25:39,510 --> 02:25:41,150
Just one caveat.

3018
02:25:41,150 --> 02:25:44,720
When this was first proposed,
20, a little over 20 years ago,

3019
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:49,720
there was no community farm,
so nobody thought of expenses

3020
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:50,700
for something like that.

3021
02:25:50,700 --> 02:25:53,240
So the ordinance itself
is very constrained

3022
02:25:53,240 --> 02:25:56,240
with what money
comes in and what

3023
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:59,400
you could apply the money to.

3024
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:07,160
So what Mona is
proposing is two.

3025
02:26:07,160 --> 02:26:09,100
Two transfers into this fund.

3026
02:26:09,100 --> 02:26:11,640


3027
02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:17,260
And what I countered with since
we talked about this at finance.

3028
02:26:17,260 --> 02:26:21,760
Yeah since we have a large
headwind with the budget,

3029
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:23,940
there's two transfers,
one for close to 50,

3030
02:26:23,940 --> 02:26:26,440
the other close to 150.

3031
02:26:26,440 --> 02:26:29,280
Keeping the 150
into a non recurring

3032
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:33,960
that Mona can use for
the upcoming budget

3033
02:26:33,960 --> 02:26:38,120
and transferring
50 into this fund.

3034
02:26:38,120 --> 02:26:42,450
And then long term I'd like to
speak with councilor counselor

3035
02:26:42,450 --> 02:26:47,690
Whalen on proposals to amend
the ordinance so that there

3036
02:26:47,690 --> 02:26:51,070
isn't any problems
expanding some things,

3037
02:26:51,070 --> 02:26:52,850
like at the community farm.

3038
02:26:52,850 --> 02:26:55,350
But ultimately, according
to the ordinance,

3039
02:26:55,350 --> 02:26:58,370
everything has to
come to the council.

3040
02:26:58,370 --> 02:27:01,650
So more things to add.

3041
02:27:01,650 --> 02:27:03,970
So that's basically it.

3042
02:27:03,970 --> 02:27:05,890
It's a transfer.

3043
02:27:05,890 --> 02:27:07,930
This particular
request is a transfer

3044
02:27:07,930 --> 02:27:14,410
of I forgot the exact
amount one of the 4949 828

3045
02:27:14,410 --> 02:27:15,670
to the land trust.

3046
02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:22,130
And the 148 3:21 to the
non-recurring fund Correct

3047
02:27:22,130 --> 02:27:23,270
Do you have it backwards.

3048
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:25,070
The documentation
says otherwise.

3049
02:27:25,070 --> 02:27:28,490
Backwards it says that the
reverse of that on the document.

3050
02:27:28,490 --> 02:27:32,450
And this is the right one.

3051
02:27:32,450 --> 02:27:34,770
Non-reoccurring foundry.

3052
02:27:34,770 --> 02:27:35,430
The foundry.

3053
02:27:35,430 --> 02:27:36,950
Foundry foundry was 49.

3054
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:38,210
The foundry was 49.

3055
02:27:38,210 --> 02:27:38,710
Yeah no.

3056
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:39,490
That's right.

3057
02:27:39,490 --> 02:27:43,660
So that account is going
away and that money is going

3058
02:27:43,660 --> 02:27:45,660
would go into the trust.

3059
02:27:45,660 --> 02:27:48,980
The other, the 149 and change.

3060
02:27:48,980 --> 02:27:53,720
148 one 4148 would go
into non-recurring.

3061
02:27:53,720 --> 02:27:55,760
Correct so yes.

3062
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:57,000
No I'll clarify.

3063
02:27:57,000 --> 02:27:57,720
It's not wrong.

3064
02:27:57,720 --> 02:27:59,060
It's not backwards.

3065
02:27:59,060 --> 02:28:00,780
Just for clarification.

3066
02:28:00,780 --> 02:28:05,300
The first line is presently
in the non-recurring fund

3067
02:28:05,300 --> 02:28:07,540
and it is named foundry.

3068
02:28:07,540 --> 02:28:10,420
So if any of you have
listened to me, probably

3069
02:28:10,420 --> 02:28:13,860
to the point of annoying in
order to take something out

3070
02:28:13,860 --> 02:28:17,880
of a designated purpose,
out of the non-recurring,

3071
02:28:17,880 --> 02:28:19,420
you need resolution.

3072
02:28:19,420 --> 02:28:23,540
So we're saying this little
49,000 that is currently

3073
02:28:23,540 --> 02:28:27,460
in non-recurring for a
purpose called foundry

3074
02:28:27,460 --> 02:28:30,460
should go to the land trust.

3075
02:28:30,460 --> 02:28:33,300
Then after further
discussion, the portion

3076
02:28:33,300 --> 02:28:37,460
that is in an account called
real property acquisition

3077
02:28:37,460 --> 02:28:42,190
148 is recommended to
go to non-reoccurring

3078
02:28:42,190 --> 02:28:46,510
with no designation.

3079
02:28:46,510 --> 02:28:47,350
Thank you.

3080
02:28:47,350 --> 02:28:51,090
Yes is that what's it used for.

3081
02:28:51,090 --> 02:28:53,130
For that.

3082
02:28:53,130 --> 02:28:55,290
148,000 then what are we.

3083
02:28:55,290 --> 02:28:55,890
Is it.

3084
02:28:55,890 --> 02:28:58,190
Where does it go
or what's it do.

3085
02:28:58,190 --> 02:28:59,910
What that does is.

3086
02:28:59,910 --> 02:29:02,590
I know you've seen my
finance reports before.

3087
02:29:02,590 --> 02:29:06,350
So on non-recurring, you
basically have a purpose.

3088
02:29:06,350 --> 02:29:08,050
It can be working on sidewalks.

3089
02:29:08,050 --> 02:29:09,690
You can be doing the foundry.

3090
02:29:09,690 --> 02:29:12,630
There are sections that
are called undesignated.

3091
02:29:12,630 --> 02:29:16,850
And the only time that can have
a purpose is by resolution.

3092
02:29:16,850 --> 02:29:18,990
When we come back,
we have a resolution

3093
02:29:18,990 --> 02:29:22,150
and say we have a purpose
for this designation.

3094
02:29:22,150 --> 02:29:26,250
Maybe we'll do something during
a budget process and say,

3095
02:29:26,250 --> 02:29:27,890
perhaps we'd like
to use that one.

3096
02:29:27,890 --> 02:29:31,550
44 does that come to the
town council for a vote

3097
02:29:31,550 --> 02:29:35,710
or it goes to finance
and then through finance.

3098
02:29:35,710 --> 02:29:37,780
Then it comes to
council, a consent,

3099
02:29:37,780 --> 02:29:39,420
but then it comes as a consent.

3100
02:29:39,420 --> 02:29:41,160
So we don't have any talk.

3101
02:29:41,160 --> 02:29:41,873
Not always.

3102
02:29:41,873 --> 02:29:42,740
Well, you can pull it out.

3103
02:29:42,740 --> 02:29:44,260
You can pull it out
if you take it off.

3104
02:29:44,260 --> 02:29:46,040
Consent yeah.

3105
02:29:46,040 --> 02:29:48,000
And just keep in mind
that the restriction

3106
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:52,880
that does occur with that
is it can't be operational.

3107
02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:54,160
So it would be those
things that are

3108
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:56,480
more of a non-recurring type.

3109
02:29:56,480 --> 02:30:00,980
So it'd be I mean basically
that you can't use salaries.

3110
02:30:00,980 --> 02:30:04,700
You can't do exactly the
garden or something like that.

3111
02:30:04,700 --> 02:30:06,300
Yes correct.

3112
02:30:06,300 --> 02:30:11,320


3113
02:30:11,320 --> 02:30:15,360
So I think, friend,
I think the best

3114
02:30:15,360 --> 02:30:18,060
understand was I
hate to do this,

3115
02:30:18,060 --> 02:30:21,400
but it was kind of found money.

3116
02:30:21,400 --> 02:30:24,400
And now that we've
found it, we're

3117
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:28,360
going to take what we had land
preservation because the land

3118
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:30,840
preservation that
hadn't been touched

3119
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:34,900
or whatever this was originally
designated for 19 years.

3120
02:30:34,900 --> 02:30:38,810
So we're trying to
get that the money

3121
02:30:38,810 --> 02:30:40,630
that was excess in the other.

3122
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:46,610
So we're trading $100,000 to
get the contingency fund is

3123
02:30:46,610 --> 02:30:49,530
gaining $100,000 of
the found money is

3124
02:30:49,530 --> 02:30:51,930
really what it comes down to.

3125
02:30:51,930 --> 02:30:54,530
And we still have to
designate the use of that.

3126
02:30:54,530 --> 02:30:57,190
Should we come to use
it somehow, some way.

3127
02:30:57,190 --> 02:31:01,650
Correct I think it was a
fairly easy discussion.

3128
02:31:01,650 --> 02:31:03,690
We did vet it pretty thoroughly.

3129
02:31:03,690 --> 02:31:04,630
Yes thank you.

3130
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:07,530


3131
02:31:07,530 --> 02:31:10,770
OK, so for a motion.

3132
02:31:10,770 --> 02:31:12,010
Sure whoa.

3133
02:31:12,010 --> 02:31:14,450
What's that.

3134
02:31:14,450 --> 02:31:17,550
So I'll Yeah You sure.

3135
02:31:17,550 --> 02:31:20,290
We can just have a quick
discussion about it

3136
02:31:20,290 --> 02:31:23,050
like two weeks OK.

3137
02:31:23,050 --> 02:31:26,990
Whereas the Rocky Hill land
preservation trust fund,

3138
02:31:26,990 --> 02:31:28,810
whereas the town of rocky
Hill established the land

3139
02:31:28,810 --> 02:31:31,690
preservation trust fund in May.

3140
02:31:31,690 --> 02:31:37,450
Actually, that should be 2003
for the exclusive purpose

3141
02:31:37,450 --> 02:31:41,250
of funding capital improvements
and non-recurring expenses

3142
02:31:41,250 --> 02:31:44,130
on land conservation
areas owned by the town

3143
02:31:44,130 --> 02:31:46,090
and the acquisition of
additional conservation

3144
02:31:46,090 --> 02:31:47,850
and open space properties.

3145
02:31:47,850 --> 02:31:51,090
And whereas available
funds have been identified

3146
02:31:51,090 --> 02:31:54,770
in the real property
acquisition fund for the purpose

3147
02:31:54,770 --> 02:31:57,410
of land preservation.

3148
02:31:57,410 --> 02:32:00,030
Oh, actually, scratch that.

3149
02:32:00,030 --> 02:32:01,210
I want to go back.

3150
02:32:01,210 --> 02:32:02,050
I'm sorry.

3151
02:32:02,050 --> 02:32:07,690
After space property's open
space properties, it should say.

3152
02:32:07,690 --> 02:32:11,010
And whereas available funds have
been identified in the capital

3153
02:32:11,010 --> 02:32:14,650
non-recurring fund
received and unexpended

3154
02:32:14,650 --> 02:32:17,850
subsequent to the foundry
riverfront project

3155
02:32:17,850 --> 02:32:21,410
in the amount of 49,008 28.

3156
02:32:21,410 --> 02:32:25,690
Be it resolved that the above
land preservation funds below

3157
02:32:25,690 --> 02:32:28,370
be transferred to the
trust fund and hereby

3158
02:32:28,370 --> 02:32:31,790
are reserved for the purpose
of the land preservation trust,

3159
02:32:31,790 --> 02:32:40,040
as reflected below from
account 409500005950.

3160
02:32:40,040 --> 02:32:46,340
Non-recurring foundry 49,008 28.

3161
02:32:46,340 --> 02:32:53,420
Do I add the real property
acquisition too in that

3162
02:32:53,420 --> 02:32:54,980
just for transfer purposes.

3163
02:32:54,980 --> 02:32:57,720
No go ahead and I'll correct you
when you get to the last part.

3164
02:32:57,720 --> 02:33:03,940
OK from account 519500005950.

3165
02:33:03,940 --> 02:33:08,260
Real property
acquisition 148,003 21

3166
02:33:08,260 --> 02:33:17,480
and $0.47 to account 789004820.

3167
02:33:17,480 --> 02:33:23,460
Land preservation transfer and
the amount would be 49,008 28.

3168
02:33:23,460 --> 02:33:30,360
And then to account 409540959.

3169
02:33:30,360 --> 02:33:32,670
Non-recurring 0.

3170
02:33:32,670 --> 02:33:34,170
59 50.

3171
02:33:34,170 --> 02:33:35,550
59 50.

3172
02:33:35,550 --> 02:33:37,850
Description undesignated.

3173
02:33:37,850 --> 02:33:40,330
Undesignated in
the amount of one.

3174
02:33:40,330 --> 02:33:41,210
48 three.

3175
02:33:41,210 --> 02:33:46,950
21 and $0.47.

3176
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:48,750
I'll second.

3177
02:33:48,750 --> 02:33:50,330
I'll I'll second.

3178
02:33:50,330 --> 02:33:53,790
I was there a second.

3179
02:33:53,790 --> 02:33:54,910
Any discussion.

3180
02:33:54,910 --> 02:33:57,270
Can you read it again.

3181
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:58,210
What? yeah.

3182
02:33:58,210 --> 02:33:58,810
One more time.

3183
02:33:58,810 --> 02:34:01,450
No all in favor.

3184
02:34:01,450 --> 02:34:03,270
Aye Aye.

3185
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:04,430
Thank you.

3186
02:34:04,430 --> 02:34:05,630
All right.

3187
02:34:05,630 --> 02:34:06,990
Thank you guys.

3188
02:34:06,990 --> 02:34:09,830
So mayor's report.

3189
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:10,730
First of all.

3190
02:34:10,730 --> 02:34:13,950


3191
02:34:13,950 --> 02:34:19,550
We have announcement
as of the last, hour,

3192
02:34:19,550 --> 02:34:23,190
that Rocky Hill girls basketball
is going to the Division

3193
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:24,790
Ii championship game.

3194
02:34:24,790 --> 02:34:30,820
Along so Terry with a.

3195
02:34:30,820 --> 02:34:33,400


3196
02:34:33,400 --> 02:34:41,720
With a overtime win over
Enfield 1 point victory, 4948

3197
02:34:41,720 --> 02:34:44,280
and led by senior
Catherine Harding's

3198
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:47,560
20 points, 20 points out of 49.

3199
02:34:47,560 --> 02:34:50,400
I got to give it a little
more oomph than that.

3200
02:34:50,400 --> 02:34:54,820
49 to 48, 49, 48 wins the game.

3201
02:34:54,820 --> 02:34:58,240
The championship game will be
either next Saturday or Sunday,

3202
02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:00,580
the 21st or 22 at Mohegan Sun.

3203
02:35:00,580 --> 02:35:02,960
Tickets are only $12.

3204
02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:05,340
Residents should consider
going and supporting our lady.

3205
02:35:05,340 --> 02:35:08,880
Reclaiming my time.

3206
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:11,300
I'm trying to keep this
short, but that's good.

3207
02:35:11,300 --> 02:35:13,840
That's great news.

3208
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:15,800
And it was great to
see a bunch of people

3209
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:19,380
here to talk about stuff here.

3210
02:35:19,380 --> 02:35:22,160
I hope we see this
much participation

3211
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:26,360
from the public in our budget
process coming up here.

3212
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:29,063
Pretty soon we're going to
be talking about that stuff

3213
02:35:29,063 --> 02:35:30,530
and have all the budget
hearings, everything

3214
02:35:30,530 --> 02:35:32,850
coming up real soon here.

3215
02:35:32,850 --> 02:35:36,930
We asked about concierge,
so I'll just touch on that.

3216
02:35:36,930 --> 02:35:40,210
We're the town is in
communication with the attorney

3217
02:35:40,210 --> 02:35:45,770
general's office, who is
negotiating with JC in regards

3218
02:35:45,770 --> 02:35:50,370
to what oversight
looks like for us

3219
02:35:50,370 --> 02:35:55,870
and them throughout for
the next year or so.

3220
02:35:55,870 --> 02:35:58,770
Basically, what we've
asked for is that they have

3221
02:35:58,770 --> 02:36:04,270
a plan for maintenance,
plan for and if anything,

3222
02:36:04,270 --> 02:36:10,130
that they recently fixed brakes
and a plan for maintenance

3223
02:36:10,130 --> 02:36:14,930
on all of the rest of the
stuff that they're fixing now.

3224
02:36:14,930 --> 02:36:22,490
And my ask was that plan goes
through all of next winter to

3225
02:36:22,490 --> 02:36:26,700
and basically the
attorney general's office

3226
02:36:26,700 --> 02:36:27,480
is handling that.

3227
02:36:27,480 --> 02:36:31,100
But they're in close
communication with our fire

3228
02:36:31,100 --> 02:36:34,580
Marshal, building officials,
and the town to make sure

3229
02:36:34,580 --> 02:36:41,580
that this doesn't become a
thing that happens again.

3230
02:36:41,580 --> 02:36:45,940
And to counselor
Sweeney's point,

3231
02:36:45,940 --> 02:36:49,180
we want to them to
acknowledge that, we

3232
02:36:49,180 --> 02:36:54,420
had some significant
costs related to this.

3233
02:36:54,420 --> 02:36:57,300
And besides that,
I just got to give

3234
02:36:57,300 --> 02:37:02,700
a shout out to the Board
of Ed held a future chefs

3235
02:37:02,700 --> 02:37:05,420
competition today.

3236
02:37:05,420 --> 02:37:11,660
I am surprised that I have made
it past 9:30 after having six

3237
02:37:11,660 --> 02:37:15,020
different dinners this evening.

3238
02:37:15,020 --> 02:37:19,540
From our students, we had
six finalists that cook

3239
02:37:19,540 --> 02:37:21,160
stuff from all over the world.

3240
02:37:21,160 --> 02:37:22,300
It was great.

3241
02:37:22,300 --> 02:37:26,430
And it was my
pleasure to be there.

3242
02:37:26,430 --> 02:37:30,070
I encourage everybody to
look out for that next March

3243
02:37:30,070 --> 02:37:32,070
and try to get on
the judging panel,

3244
02:37:32,070 --> 02:37:33,530
because it was really good.

3245
02:37:33,530 --> 02:37:36,830


3246
02:37:36,830 --> 02:37:38,990
There's a lot of
other stuff going on.

3247
02:37:38,990 --> 02:37:41,430
I will just try to
share that online

3248
02:37:41,430 --> 02:37:44,910
with everybody so
we can move along

3249
02:37:44,910 --> 02:37:46,650
with the rest of our evening.

3250
02:37:46,650 --> 02:37:48,250
I would say just a
couple highlights.

3251
02:37:48,250 --> 02:37:54,030
We have the Harlem Wizards game
coming up in a couple of weeks

3252
02:37:54,030 --> 02:37:56,170
through the education
foundation's fundraiser.

3253
02:37:56,170 --> 02:37:58,210
I would encourage
everybody to jump on that.

3254
02:37:58,210 --> 02:38:00,790
And Parks and rec has put
out a bunch of other events

3255
02:38:00,790 --> 02:38:03,250
that are coming up in the
coming months as well.

3256
02:38:03,250 --> 02:38:05,990


3257
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:09,270
And I'll throw it over
to the town manager.

3258
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:10,270
All right.

3259
02:38:10,270 --> 02:38:14,950
Sorry, I think I'm catching
whatever has given me

3260
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:20,070
parks and rec in recognition
of America 250 campaign

3261
02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:23,280
and to raise funds for
the Rocky Hill schools.

3262
02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:26,000
The Education Foundation
is offering an opportunity

3263
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:29,400
to purchase the America
250t shirts, which you

3264
02:38:29,400 --> 02:38:33,240
have a photo in your package.

3265
02:38:33,240 --> 02:38:36,120
You're wearing yours
tonight, right.

3266
02:38:36,120 --> 02:38:36,940
Black and white.

3267
02:38:36,940 --> 02:38:40,520


3268
02:38:40,520 --> 02:38:45,840
100% of the proceeds will go to
support the Rocky Hill schools.

3269
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:48,800
If you need, if you'd
like to have a t-shirt,

3270
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:50,720
you can contact the
Board of Ed office

3271
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:52,220
and see Sandy for assistance.

3272
02:38:52,220 --> 02:38:56,760
Or you can do click the link
below and within the photo

3273
02:38:56,760 --> 02:38:58,220
which is online, by the way.

3274
02:38:58,220 --> 02:39:00,960


3275
02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:05,580
Some more mundane activities
here at town Hall.

3276
02:39:05,580 --> 02:39:08,000
I'll go through
them pretty quickly.

3277
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:12,200
Sidewalks several sidewalks.

3278
02:39:12,200 --> 02:39:14,680
Being prepared to go out to bid.

3279
02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:16,320
Central hills phase Ii.

3280
02:39:16,320 --> 02:39:19,320
Elm Street sidewalks.

3281
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:22,690
Both grant both grants.

3282
02:39:22,690 --> 02:39:26,290
Hayes road, which is in the
capital improvement program

3283
02:39:26,290 --> 02:39:27,990
for this upcoming budget.

3284
02:39:27,990 --> 02:39:31,170
And Glastonbury Avenue, another
grant languishing with the state

3285
02:39:31,170 --> 02:39:31,950
right now.

3286
02:39:31,950 --> 02:39:35,050


3287
02:39:35,050 --> 02:39:37,010
Bulky waste pick
up at curbside has

3288
02:39:37,010 --> 02:39:39,970
resumed in the transfer
station will now

3289
02:39:39,970 --> 02:39:42,110
be open Thursdays and Fridays.

3290
02:39:42,110 --> 02:39:45,370


3291
02:39:45,370 --> 02:39:48,290
Tax department has sent
out some delinquent notices

3292
02:39:48,290 --> 02:39:50,190
for real estate,
personal property,

3293
02:39:50,190 --> 02:39:52,370
motor vehicle supplemental.

3294
02:39:52,370 --> 02:39:56,010
Quite a few Bills went out
there as far as planning

3295
02:39:56,010 --> 02:39:58,010
and economic development goes.

3296
02:39:58,010 --> 02:40:00,850
The town planner, Kim Richey,
attended economic Development

3297
02:40:00,850 --> 02:40:06,490
Commission this past last week
to discuss the Connecticut

3298
02:40:06,490 --> 02:40:09,090
municipal Development
Authority district

3299
02:40:09,090 --> 02:40:12,370
and how it will blend in
with the plan of conservation

3300
02:40:12,370 --> 02:40:18,330
and development to review
specific tasks associated

3301
02:40:18,330 --> 02:40:23,000
with the plan of development
and recommendations specific to.

3302
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:25,420
Economic development trying
to get the commission

3303
02:40:25,420 --> 02:40:27,200
to take on some of those.

3304
02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:33,380
Implementation tasks related
to economic development.

3305
02:40:33,380 --> 02:40:38,100
He completed multiple searches
for part time custodian, a per

3306
02:40:38,100 --> 02:40:41,060
diem custodian, a full
time office manager

3307
02:40:41,060 --> 02:40:43,460
for the senior center,
and the head mechanic

3308
02:40:43,460 --> 02:40:46,020
and the assistant mechanic.

3309
02:40:46,020 --> 02:40:50,180
You just heard earlier that
public safety, I think,

3310
02:40:50,180 --> 02:40:52,300
is being advertised.

3311
02:40:52,300 --> 02:40:55,700
A position has been open
for recreation supervisor

3312
02:40:55,700 --> 02:40:57,820
in the parks and rec
department, and that

3313
02:40:57,820 --> 02:41:01,500
will be posted this week.

3314
02:41:01,500 --> 02:41:03,640
You got a replacement position.

3315
02:41:03,640 --> 02:41:04,980
Yes it is.

3316
02:41:04,980 --> 02:41:06,140
Yes it is.

3317
02:41:06,140 --> 02:41:06,720
Thank you.

3318
02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:09,580


3319
02:41:09,580 --> 02:41:12,100
The town clerk has been meeting
with the registrar's office

3320
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:17,110
concerning election, concerning
election related Bills

3321
02:41:17,110 --> 02:41:22,230
in the upcoming primaries for
the elections in November,

3322
02:41:22,230 --> 02:41:26,290
and they required a list
of offices to be filled,

3323
02:41:26,290 --> 02:41:30,670
were sent for the 26 election
were sent to the Secretary

3324
02:41:30,670 --> 02:41:32,590
of State's office.

3325
02:41:32,590 --> 02:41:36,150
That concludes my report.

3326
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:40,030
OK I apologize, I
actually did have

3327
02:41:40,030 --> 02:41:43,470
one quick question about what
he just said in his report.

3328
02:41:43,470 --> 02:41:45,670
The town clerk met
with the registrars.

3329
02:41:45,670 --> 02:41:48,050
Did they meet with both
registrars or just one.

3330
02:41:48,050 --> 02:41:48,970
She meets with both.

3331
02:41:48,970 --> 02:41:50,830
Just make sure.

3332
02:41:50,830 --> 02:41:52,470
Thank you.

3333
02:41:52,470 --> 02:41:53,250
It's a team.

3334
02:41:53,250 --> 02:41:53,810
We had a motion.

3335
02:41:53,810 --> 02:41:55,710
Do we have a second.

3336
02:41:55,710 --> 02:41:57,030
All in favor.

3337
02:41:57,030 --> 02:41:59,670
I have a great
evening, everyone.

3338
02:41:59,670 --> 02:42:01,830
Oh, boy.

3339
02:42:01,830 --> 02:42:04,060
Next time you're to order.

3340
02:42:04,060 --> 02:42:16,000