[0:00] call the meeting to order.
>> Everyone, please rise for the
[0:04] invocation. Remain standing for the
pledge of allegiance.
[0:08] » Lord, we just thank you for this
opportunity, Lord, to do what you have
[0:11] us to do. Let this meeting be uplifting
for everybody in this town and that we
[0:16] keep that in mind when we vote and doing
anything for this town, Lord, that we do
[0:20] what your will is for this town forever
in Jesus name. Amen.
[0:25] » Amen.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[0:31] United States of America and to the
republic for [clears throat] which it
[0:35] stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:41] for all.
>> Thank you.
[0:47] » Call the roll, please.
>> Here.
[0:51] » Here.
>> Daniel,
[0:52] » here.
>> Doug,
[0:53] » here.
>> Here.
[0:56] Approval of the agenda. Is there any
questions regarding tonight's agenda?
[1:08] » Do I have a motion to approve the agenda
as written?
[1:12] » I make a motion to approve the agenda.
>> Do I have a second? Second. The motion.
[1:17] Motion. Second. Call the roll, please.
>> I second.
[1:20] » I.
>> Daniels.
[1:21] » I.
>> D.
[1:22] » I.
>> All right.
[1:25] and approval of the September 18th, 2025
city council meeting minutes.
[1:34] Do I have any discussion in regards to
the September
[1:39] minutes?
[1:54] Make a motion we approve the minutes.
Okay, I have a motion. Do I have a
[1:57] second?
>> A second.
[2:00] » Motion a second. Call the role, please.
>> I second.
[2:04] » Daniels,
>> I
[2:09] » recognize citizens, guests, and
visitors. Do I have anybody to come
[2:12] before the board?
[2:16] Yes, sir.
>> Yes. I just want to thank the city,
[2:20] your workers, and yourself. On October
3rd, they shut the water down to remove
[2:26] a fire hydrant,
>> which also shut our business down.
[2:30] » Once they found it, it shut our business
down. I know he made a call to you is
[2:34] decided to move that to another date
>> when actually all the businesses on that
[2:38] side of town were closed. and we highly
appreciate it because on that Friday we
[2:43] would have lost a bunch of money.
>> We just wanted to come forth and say
[2:47] thank you.
>> We should have thought well we thought
[2:49] we were going to be able to isolate it
and we couldn't. So
[2:54] thank you.
[3:00] Okay. Mayor's report
committee council member reports
[3:07] planning commission
>> we meet next Tuesday.
[3:10] Okay.
And recreation committee, we did not
[3:16] have a meeting.
[3:19] So,
[3:22] everything still good for the trunker
tree,
[3:27] » right? Every everything's on.
>> Yes.
[3:32] » Okay. General government report, city
manager report. Uh fall [clears throat]
[3:37] cleanup will continue this month. Uh
trunk or treat will be October 31st from
[3:44] 6:00 to 8 at the ball field.
[clears throat and cough]
[3:47] And the bids for the roof roofs came in.
Low bid was the Dixie Roofing at
[3:54] 120,000.
[3:57] And that was I think they had a 20-year
warranty on the roof. Uh what was the
[4:04] next bid?
>> 138,000 and something. That was exterior
[4:09] roofing.
>> Okay.
[4:12] » We just have two.
>> Yeah, we just had two.
[4:17] » 120.
>> Yep.
[4:24] » We know when this is going to start.
>> We sent the paperwork in yesterday. I
[4:29] think Heather did so to try to get them
on the try to get us on the schedule for
[4:34] before bad weather.
>> That'll be a good thing before snow and
[4:40] wet weather.
>> Financial report.
[4:45] » Uh
drug fund. Uh they received $14,000.
[4:51] They had expenses of 1,700.
[4:56] Then the general fund we received
123,000.
[5:00] Uh
our expenses is 205,000.
[5:05] Uh we did pay 17,000 in our towards our
debt service.
[5:13] Then the street aid we did not receive
any for this month of September. We
[5:18] didn't spend any either.
The water uh revenue for water was
[5:24] 72,000 for sewer was 82,000. Our
interest for the water is 2250.
[5:32] Total revenue is 157253.
[5:36] uh purchased 14,500
of water and expenses
[5:44] totaled 84,000
total [snorts] for U balance of
[5:50] difference of 72,000.
[6:00] Any questions on the financial
report?
[6:09] police report.
Chief,
[6:13] » thank you.
[6:19] » Over the month of September, your police
officers made 31 arrests conducted
[6:23] traffic stops issued 59 citations and 37
warnings. They completed 55 in reports
[6:31] responded to a
call for service. We have one over
[6:44] our officers completed their annual
inservice training. It was accepted by
[6:47] post
[6:52] » for grants. We had looked at BCI that we
got two years ago that was really good
[6:57] for training equipment. However, the way
they focus
[7:03] a lot
We could apply for
[7:08] for internal procedures and equipment.
We implemented the record policy
[7:13] last month. We did have one issue with
record service
[7:18] inspection.
[7:28] I've got a requested action for you with
the oversized load.
[7:45] » I got a red light.
[7:50] » All right.
There is a uh state statute for the
[7:54] oversized loads which requires permit
from Nashville do
[7:59] » part of that the city could not adopt
because it's a class A that's the
[8:03] portion in the statute over the weight
while being overweight. However, the
[8:09] other parts of it we could enforce if we
adopt an ordinance as the size
[8:15] and the height and so on and so forth
[8:20] would be where we could take some
hopefully correct that. I don't know
[8:26] that it would fix it, but it would be a
step in the right direction.
[8:30] » Okay.
Well, we need to do a little bit of
[8:33] further research on what the right
avenue here is in regards to those.
[8:40] » Uh
>> I don't think it's working either. And
[8:42] with a state highway
which kind of ties our hands in a lot of
[8:47] but when they're damaging our sidewalks
and they're damaging our traffic lights
[8:51] that's a different story.
>> Yes sir.
[8:53] » I thought something on the bridge here.
Let's say do we know first of all do we
[8:58] know the tonnage of the bridge
>> and our bridge?
[9:02] » Well it's which T dot dot. But if
something was to happen to that bridge,
[9:08] where's traffic going to get diverted?
That
[9:10] » would
y
[9:16] I don't think there's ever been a weight
limit on that bridge.
[9:25] » They know in Nashville that we are upset
>> with these oversized loads.
[9:31] » Yes, sir.
>> They know [cough] very They
[9:33] [clears throat] very well know we're
upset about it.
[9:36] The good side to our bridges is loosely
short.
[9:41] » Those oversized loads are so long.
>> The tractor will be in front of city
[9:46] hall and the end of the trailer will be
>> North Main Street on the other side of
[9:52] the bridge.
>> That is but it still
[9:58] takes a toll. Has to take a toll.
[10:03] It's the reason they're coming through
this town is because the
[10:08] the river bridge will not support
[10:13] » and with the number of axles all of the
weight gets on the river bridge at one
[10:17] time or mostly or a large percentage of
its [clears throat] rating.
[10:21] » Yeah. The whole loads on the bridge at
one time
[10:24] » whereas our bridge is
>> it's not on the bridge at one time.
[10:28] » Yes sir. Okay. For our accreditation, we
completed seven more secondary policies.
[10:33] We got 54 remaining before our next
benchmark at the end of December. Uh
[10:38] case of significance, officers made many
drug related arrests. The main drug uh
[10:43] offense that we're seeing is
methamphetamine.
[10:45] Uh we had the issues with the oversized
loads damaging the traffic light. And uh
[10:50] we did complete accident reports and
issue citations on the ones that we
[10:53] could.
>> The uh we had a rash bicycle thefts over
[10:57] near the fairgrounds. officers
investigated that, identified a suspect,
[11:00] and before they could arrest him on
that, he committed a more serious
[11:03] domestic offense and got arrested for
all of the above.
[11:09] » For our budget, uh by pay period, we're
26.9% through the fiscal year. I
[11:13] calculate we've spent 18.9% of the
department's uh portion of the budget,
[11:18] but that's because of irregular uh
expenses for our personnel costs were on
[11:22] track to be even in the projections.
>> Okay. Thank you, Chie. Yes, sir.
[11:28] » Before you sit down, I'm just going to
throw this out there. Would would these
[11:32] oversized loads be worthy of a workshop?
[11:40] » Yeah, I believe so.
[11:43] » What do you What do you mean? The
council workshop discussed maybe we get
[11:47] a state representative in here to speak
to them or someone from T DOT.
[12:00] And also the reason why I had the
suggested action item or something for
[12:04] you to consider about an ordinance.
There are other municipalities for any
[12:08] future workshop. I can pull those for
what ordinances they have to address
[12:12] their issues for your concern.
>> That would be that would be awesome.
[12:15] Yes, sir.
>> Please do that.
[12:17] » We'll do.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[12:19] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[12:22] » Okay. Fire report.
25 EMS calls, one vehicle fire, three
[12:28] false alarms, eight lift assist,
two motor vehicle accidents, mutual aid
[12:34] call,
three overdoses. Not good. Total calls
[12:39] of the month, 43 calls. We're a total of
455 calls for the year.
[12:50] Public works.
Uh 57 and 3/4 tons trash for the month
[12:57] of September. Uh
no brush. Well, it was brush, but we're
[13:04] not showing brush tonnage wise because
we're burning our brush. Now we take our
[13:08] brush over to the sharp property, which
is saving us quite a bit of money
[13:12] [cough] versus [clears throat] taking it
to the landfill and having to pay per
[13:16] ton to dump it. uh mow weed bush hog
throughout town ball fields uh been
[13:23] spraying weed killer
hot patched several holes in town and
[13:30] trim trees and there's more tree
trimming going on
[13:34] » and Stansel Electric is they are working
on the interstate lights
[13:39] » uh I saw them on the 128s the other day
>> guy was down there and we've seen him on
[13:47] the 129. They had crews up there setting
poles, but uh the gentleman we spoke to
[13:53] at the 129
>> Mhm.
[13:55] » I saw him down out at the 128 under the
bridge around.
[14:00] » Yeah. They they were looking right there
for that box where the guardrail is.
[14:06] » Mhm.
which they gave me a quote which is
[14:10] going to be $15,000 to
>> everything's $15,000.
[14:18] Okay. Water and sewer month report. Uh
they've been repairing had a which every
[14:25] month we have a lot of service lines and
the service line is the line from the
[14:30] main to your meter. Uh a lot of leaking
service lines. lot of know problem there
[14:35] is a there's a lot of shallow lines and
rock people drive over them and rock
[14:41] wind up punching a pinhole in the line
[14:46] had two repaired two 8 inch mains that's
probably uh one of the big reasons for
[14:52] our water loss for last month we pulled
a hydrant down here on the second of on
[14:58] the corner of second and Lawson Street
is going to be replaced with a new
[15:02] hydrant
Um,
[15:06] our jeter's been down for the last week
due to mechanical failure. Hopefully,
[15:13] you heard anything about that part?
>> No.
[15:16] » Hopefully the part will be in within the
next day or two. We can get it back in
[15:21] operation.
[15:25] Monthly water loss. It's one of the
worst ones we've had in a long time.
[15:29] » But wouldn't that be High Street? H.
>> Wouldn't this be the one we had on High
[15:34] Street?
>> No.
[15:40] » Yeah.
>> Yep. Aren't we that we're about two
[15:44] months behind?
>> No. Uh
[15:50] [clears throat]
well, that time lag. This isn't high. Uh
[15:55] these are those other two 8 in
[16:00] that they had leaks on. Not counting of
course the one we just had on the
[16:05] freeway that pal Clinch got into will be
on this next
[16:10] » No, it'd be two months.
>> It'll be in de we'll see it in December.
[16:15] We'll see those numbers in December.
[16:21] was working on it, but it
[16:25] » uh yeah, but it's not that big. That
one's not that big.
[16:30] » Does Palinch pay or anything or is that
>> just
[16:35] » We kind of We tear their stuff out of
the ground and we don't have to pay when
[16:39] we tear their stuff up. Okay.
>> It's kind of
[16:41] » Okay,
>> that's how and we didn't mark it. They
[16:45] went [clears throat] by the map. The
map's not right where it shows the line.
[16:50] you know, they marked it where the map
shows.
[16:53] That's not where they got into it. I
mean, they were several several feet
[16:57] away where they got into it. And that's
a matter for further discussion
[17:03] on our uh we're looking at some options
for locating these lines and doing a
[17:09] more accurate survey on where our lines
are at, where our valves are at.
[17:15] Are we updating maps as something what
as we kind of at least redline?
[17:20] » Yes, I've got redline maps. Joy's got
redline maps. Uh
[17:26] we found a device here a couple of
months ago that's a it's a Garmin GPS
[17:32] device
and we gave it to Canon and Canon and
[17:35] Canon Canon's trying to download the
data that was on. We don't know how it
[17:39] was used. Hopefully we can use that to
create more detailed maps.
[17:44] But with in-house usage, our loss was
45%.
[17:48] We'll we'll have a pretty good usage at
the sewer plant this month where they're
[17:54] using water to press that sludge.
Sewer adjustments. Uh we have one for
[18:00] $6129.
This is at New Beginning Church over on
[18:04] Fourth Street. They had to fill their
bad tismal up. I guess we would look at
[18:09] that as like it was a swimming pool. So
that's kind of a a one-time thing.
[18:14] » So there to back up, but are we using
portable water to press?
[18:22] » Yes. Off fire hydrant.
>> Wonder if we could use affluent water.
[18:27] » We possibly could, but we don't have a
system to do it with.
[18:32] » I just didn't know if we had a big
enough pump just to
[18:35] » No, we don't have a big enough pump to
do it. And it would it I don't know if
[18:40] it'd have to be filtered.
I don't know how clean it's got to be to
[18:44] go through there because it goes through
a metering where they inject the
[18:48] polymers. Okay.
>> But that's a future when we get our new
[18:52] system set up over there. I'd like to be
able to use processed water to run it.
[18:58] That would be huge. Thank you.
>> In regards to the sewer adjustment of
[19:06] $6129 for New Beginning Church, do I
have a motion to approve this sewer
[19:12] adjustment?
>> Motion second.
[19:15] » Have a motion in a second. Call the
roll, please.
[19:18] » Gillan,
>> I.
[19:19] » Tack it.
>> I.
[19:20] » Daniels,
>> I dove
[19:21] » I.
>> Templant.
[19:22] » I.
Ordinances and resolutions.
[19:28] Ordinance 616.
[19:33] This is an ordinance that uh
see your organization
[19:38] is requesting this. That's ASAP of
Anderson County.
[19:44] Uh this is an ordinance to amend title
11 Rocky Top Municipal Code to prohibit
[19:48] smoking and the use of vapor products in
certain age related venues.
[19:54] uh being active with city council Rocky
Top and whereas on July 1st, 2022,
[19:58] public chapter number
uh 11:10 went into effect authorizing
[20:03] municipalities, counties, and counties
with a metropolitan form of government
[20:07] to regulate including a resolution or
ordinance smoking and the use of vapor
[20:11] products in certain age restricted
venues. And whereas in the interest of
[20:16] protecting public health, safety, and
welfare, the Rocky Top City Council
[20:20] deems it appropriate to prohibit smoking
and the use of vapor products and age
[20:25] restricted venues described herein.
Now, therefore, be it ordained that city
[20:31] rocket top Tennessee as follows. Section
one, title 11 of the Rocky Top Municipal
[20:35] Code is hereby amended by adding the
following new chapter 7. Chapter 7
[20:40] prohibit prohibition of smoking in
certain age restricted venues.
[20:46] Smoking in the use of vapor products is
prohibited in age restricted venues
[20:50] within the city pursuant to authority
granted to city council by TCA section
[20:55] 39 tax 1751
as may be amended from time to time.
[21:02] [clears throat] Section two definitions
for the purpose of this chapter the
[21:06] words and phrases herein shall have the
following meanings. One, age restricted
[21:10] venue means a legal establishment that
affirmatively restricts access to its
[21:14] buildings or facilities at all times to
persons who are 21 years of age or older
[21:21] by requiring each person who attempts to
gain entry to these buildings or
[21:24] facilities to submit for inspection an
acceptable form of identification for
[21:28] the purpose of determining
if the person is 21 years of age or
[21:33] older.
Two, cigar bar means a legal
[21:37] establishment that holds a valid license
or permit for the on- premise
[21:40] consumption of alcohol beverages.
B generates a portion of its total
[21:45] annual gross income from the on-site
sale of cigars
[21:50] and the rental of humidors.
C does not normally sell products or
[21:55] services or permit entrance to the pre
premises of any person who is less than
[22:00] 21 years of age. And D does not permit
vaping. Thank you. or the smoking of
[22:06] products other than cigars on the
premises. Three, hemp means industrial
[22:11] hemp as defined in Tennessee code 43,
tact 26, tact.
[22:18] Retail tobacco store means a retail
store that deres its largest category of
[22:23] sales from tobacco products and
accessories.
[22:26] Five, retail vapor product store means a
retail store that deres its largest
[22:31] category of sales from vapor products
and accessories.
[22:35] Six, smoke and smoking means inhaling,
exhaling, burning or carrying any
[22:40] lighted or heated cigar, cigarette pipe
or their lighted tobacco product in any
[22:44] manner or in any form. And seven,
tobacco product means any product that
[22:49] is made from or derived from tobacco
or that contains nicotine that is
[22:53] intended for human consumption or is
likely to be consumed whether inhaled,
[22:58] absorbed or ingested by any other means
including but not limited to a cigar,
[23:02] cigarette, a cigar, pipe, tobacco,
chewing tobacco, snuff or snuss as well
[23:07] as any component part or accessory there
to or thereof. Eight. Vapor product
[23:13] means any device that may be used to
deliver any aerosol aerosolized
[23:19] or vaporized substance to the person
inhaling from a device including but not
[23:23] limited to an ecigarette, ecigar,
e cigarette, e- pipe, vape pen or
[23:30] e-hookah.
[laughter]
[23:35] Okie dokie. Okay,
[23:39] we did have a bong in there.
A means any non-combustible product
[23:46] containing nicotine or any other
substance that employs a mechanical
[23:50] heating element, battery, electronic
circuit, or other mechanism regardless
[23:54] of shape or size that can be used to
produce or emit a visible or non-visible
[23:58] vapor. B includes any electronic
cigarette, electronic cigar, electronic
[24:03] cigarella, electronic pipe or similar
product and any vapor cartridge, any
[24:08] substance used to refill a vapor
cartridge or any other container of a
[24:12] solution containing nicotine or any
other substance that is intended to be
[24:16] used with or in an electronic cigarette,
electronic cigar, electronic cigarella,
[24:22] electronic pipe or similar product and
does not include any product regulated
[24:26] underton
chapter Five of the Food and Drug and
[24:31] Cosmetic Act. Section three, smoking and
use of vapor products and age restricted
[24:36] venues prohibited. Notwithstanding
subsection A of this section,
[24:41] the prohibition on smoking and the use
of vapor products and age restricted
[24:46] venues shall not apply to retail tobacco
stores, retail vapor product stores, or
[24:53] cigar lounges.
[24:58] discussion.
[25:03] This
is designed to
[25:08] basically prohibit smoking in bars.
I personally
[25:16] uh
[25:21] don't agree with that. I like to slope
when I'm in a bar.
[25:28] I think I'm a grown man. [laughter]
[25:33] You're 21 years old, which should be 18.
[laughter] I don't like the 21 age
[25:38] limit. I can go leave my blood. Some kid
can leave his blood on a battlefield
[25:42] halfway around the world. He ought to be
able to drink a cold beer or smoke a
[25:46] cigarette or a cigar or a hookah bowl so
chooses.
[25:51] That's just my That's just my opinion.
[25:57] This is good intentions.
I totally understand. I've been a
[26:04] consumer of tobacco products since I was
11 years old and haven't had a stop and
[26:10] it'll probably ultimately end in my
demise. We all end with some sort of
[26:15] demise. So, uh,
>> yeah,
[26:19] [snorts]
>> but it's my choice and if I choose not
[26:23] to be around [clears throat] people who
do such things, I don't have to have the
[26:27] government tell me to stay away from
them. I can stay away from them. I
[26:32] cannot go there on my own.
>> You're exactly right. We've all got the
[26:35] free will to get up and walk out
>> or not go
[26:38] » or not go at all. Yeah. So if you're
someplace and it gets to where you can't
[26:44] see
>> uh the next table,
[26:50] ain't nothing says that we've got the
state.
[26:53] » No, I mean you know [clears throat] I I
there slippery slopes of things. I know
[27:00] there are places in this country where
uh like children's services are called
[27:06] because they saw mama smoking a
cigarette in the house and they remove
[27:09] the kids. That happens and and there are
places in the country this country that
[27:15] that happens. Um
and I I I am not justifying the use of
[27:21] tobacco. It's it's a horrible product.
Uh
[27:25] but I use it daily. Uh,
and someone that chooses to do that, I
[27:32] think that's their business.
>> I think it's their freedom.
[27:36] » Yeah. Well,
>> I mean, it's their choice.
[27:38] » I mean, and and the the side effect is
there. [cough] We don't want you to have
[27:43] a Marboro with that shot of Jack Daniels
cuz it's not good for you. But we're not
[27:48] talking anything about that shot of Jack
Daniels.
[27:51] » You know, I don't I don't think you
should be able to gamble on the line
[27:55] either. I think that's a horrible bias
that's only devised to take money out of
[28:01] the poor people's pockets and put it in
the state's pocket. But that's just me.
[28:07] » But I guess didn't the state pass that
you're not allowed to smoke or anything
[28:11] in public places?
>> Not in the 21 and older bars. They still
[28:20] have the option. Now the [snorts] the
bar itself may say we don't allow
[28:24] smoking here but if they want to allow
smoking they can. Okay. Mhm. They can't.
[28:29] » But places like Chili's Applebees and
places like that. Yeah. They were were
[28:34] children,
>> right? That's the difference.
[28:36] » And it's exactly there's there's minors
and and adults there. So, but they they
[28:41] say, "Okay, nobody can."
>> But in places that were 20 and over like
[28:46] bars and stuff,
>> I tend to agree that it should be it
[28:51] should be to the patron's discretion.
>> Don't have to go there.
[28:58] That's just mine.
>> So, what are we trying to do with
[29:02] » Okay, the uh
[29:08] this is a pending ordinance. Uh we can
we could choose to table it. We could
[29:17] choose to
vote on it.
[29:24] » This is just
>> Yep. This is the first reading. Um
[29:33] I mean we can someone can make a motion
to
[29:38] approve it that it can be voted on
[29:45] » or it can just lay there and die.
>> Would this be like the bar that just
[29:50] opened up uptown?
>> But we only have two bars now. that bar
[29:55] and and AJ's up on the north end. That
would be the only places that this would
[30:00] apply to. It wouldn't apply anywhere
else.
[30:02] » Like it wouldn't apply to the Mexican
restaurant even though they have a bar
[30:06] in there too. It wouldn't apply there
because it there's primarily food
[30:10] service and I think there's some it
calls that out somewhere in the
[30:14] Tennessee code about how much uh revenue
is derived from food sales.
[30:25] I can't I can't make a motion to approve
and then vote. No,
[30:31] » I'm I'm against it. I'm against it
totally.
[30:35] » Well, uh
do I have a motion to approve?
[30:45] Sounds like this has failed for lack of
a motion.
[30:53] It could be brought back up at a further
future date, but
[30:58] » is somebody bringing it up or is it
>> this is the the ASAP organization out of
[31:04] uh Clinton.
[31:11] Then it's not just here they're doing
that, you know, in all the
[31:14] municipalities in the city, you know,
and I understand what they're trying to
[31:18] do. I I truly and I'm uh I'm sympathetic
to that, but [snorts]
[31:26] I'm also
sympathetic to people's freedoms.
[31:34] Freedom to choose.
[31:38] Choose not to go there and choose to
fire up that lucky strike. It's on you.
[31:47] But there be no further discussion.
[31:55] Would we call that a tape? What would we
call that? Because there's failed lack
[31:59] of motion.
>> Failed for lack of emotion. Failed for
[32:01] lack of emotion.
>> Trying to make you read all those
[32:04] definitions then.
>> It's okay.
[32:10] » Okay. 616.
Second and final reading of ordinances.
[32:15] None. Adoption of resolutions.
Resolution 612.
[32:21] A resol
a resolution approving the city of Rocky
[32:24] Top, Tennessee to enter into an
agreement with the American Municipal
[32:29] Services Corporation, otherwise known as
AMS
[32:33] to provide collection services. Whereas
the city of Rockytop desires to enter
[32:37] into an agreement with AMS to provide
collection services for delinquent court
[32:42] and utility accounts.
[32:47] And whereas the city of Rockytop further
desires to establish a collection fee in
[32:52] the amount not to exceed 35% to be
applied to such accounts referred to AMS
[32:58] for collection. Now therefore, be it
resolved that the mayor and city council
[33:03] of the city of Rockytop do hereby
approve an agreement with AMS for
[33:07] collection services.
Mr. Ellis, do you want to expound on
[33:12] just what we talked about at the last
meeting? The 35% is on top of the 100%
[33:19] that we would get
>> in addition to the
[33:21] » in addition. Yes. And they take the 35%
away from
[33:26] us.
>> So if it goes to this bunch, we they'll
[33:29] tack on their
>> Yes.
[33:31] » So if somebody owes us $10, they're
going to pay them
[33:35] the 35% on top of paying us 10 bucks.
And there's couple municipalities at
[33:43] least two around us, Kingston and
Rockwood that are using this AMS
[33:48] service. I don't know. Do they ever do
anything like this? You were on the
[33:51] board talking about it before. That's
why I knew something about
[33:56] never did it.
>> There's been nobody nobody want to take
[33:59] the chance to be the first one to do it.
It's it's real popular in big cities and
[34:03] big places, but no small t community
want to take a chance of doing it. I
[34:07] guess people, you know. Yeah,
>> we're struggling and I'm far.
[34:11] » Well, you think I guess I just saying
that's what he was asking about. That's
[34:15] what the main argument was because the
size of community is the main argument.
[34:20] » The people who pay their bills are
subsidizing the people who don't pay
[34:23] their bills and I don't like that.
>> Uh this is one of the avenues to
[34:28] correct.
>> You are not collecting it on for for
[34:31] [clears throat]
tax.
[34:33] » Property tax is a different deal.
Correct. Well, it says delinquent
[34:40] » uh delinquent court and utility accounts
is all it calls out.
[34:44] » Okay. So, property taxes is different.
>> Yeah, I think we have to go through
[34:48] there's different hoops we have to jump
through in regards to going after
[34:52] property taxes.
>> I think they just don't offer the
[34:55] property taxes yet, but he said that
they were in the works of
[34:59] » Okay. They were trying to establish
that.
[35:00] » Oh, the company doesn't. I can
understand why we weren't doing that cuz
[35:03] I thought that was the whole thing we
were trying to start on was trying to
[35:05] get
>> Is there a time frame for the contract?
[35:12] that I can't answer because I wasn't in
on the meeting. Jessica was the gone
[35:18] [snorts] when he came
[35:25] » and was the reason that we didn't we
can't go is or after people is just
[35:30] manpower or
>> what do you mean economics?
[35:34] » Okay. Just I mean it's like
we can't go after collections I guess.
[35:40] Well, you mean for us to do this?
>> Yes.
[35:44] » Yeah. We You'd basically have to have
somebody practically full-time. That's
[35:50] their job.
>> See, we the advantage to this deal is we
[35:54] don't pay out anything. Don't cost us
nothing. If they don't collect nothing,
[35:57] we don't get nothing. They don't cost
nothing. But if we start hiring somebody
[35:59] or paying somebody for the city to do
it, we got to pay that. Regardless if
[36:02] they collect 10 cents, don't or collect
a million dollars, we still got to pay
[36:05] for it. I'm sure this outfit has lawyers
on that work for them and they get the
[36:12] qu, you know, where we'd have to not
only have somebody that we're paying to
[36:16] do it and we're going to have to pay the
attorneys.
[36:19] » This is basically self-supporting.
>> Yeah. And it I I [snorts] think there
[36:24] should be we need to see what the the
length of the contract is.
[36:31] » There's going to be a period to make
sure [clears throat] we're all
[36:33] comfortable. I think I've come I
>> I'm not sure, but if we could try to see
[36:37] how it works.
>> I would I I think there should be like a
[36:40] 12 month
>> and then we revisit it on your desk.
[36:45] » That's a resolution that's ongoing.
Correct.
[36:50] » It's not specifically written in
>> I think he's going into
[36:53] » Okay. Also,
>> it should be in
[36:55] » say uh chief brought somebody a ticket
from Michigan for doing 60 and they go
[37:02] back home and don't pay it. Are we going
to send somebody to Michigan for a few
[37:07] dollar fine?
>> Right.
[37:09] » But this outfit's got an office in
Michigan. They got people up there.
[37:18] » But yeah, that'll take care of a lot of
sins.
[37:22] » I mean, if if we can recover 50%
versus recovering zip.
[37:33] All right,
I've just been handed the answer.
[37:38] Can we cancel our agreement with AMS at
any time? Yes. AMS operates under an
[37:44] evergreen agreement, which means that
there are no long-term commitments.
[37:49] Clients may cancel at any time without
>> Okay. Fair enough.
[37:54] » And that's our that's the contract
through them.
[37:57] » This is their this is through them
[clears throat]
[37:59] » through AMS.
contract we're going to sign if we pass
[38:04] the resolution.
>> Okay. Do I have a motion to approve this
[38:08] resolution to enter into [snorts] an
agreement with actually it doesn't say
[38:12] contract says agreement with American
[clears throat] Municipal Services to
[38:17] try to recover some of our
>> bad debts. Made a motion.
[38:21] » Okay, got a motion. Got a second.
>> Second.
[38:23] » Motion to second. Call a roll, please.
>> Gllum,
[38:26] » I.
>> Tack it.
[38:27] » Hi.
>> Daniels,
[38:28] » I.
>> Dove.
[38:29] » I.
>> Templan. I unfinished business. None.
[38:34] New business. Rocky Top Urban and
Community Forestry Inflation Reduction
[38:40] Act grant proposal.
Uh
[38:55] this is a tree inventory of all trees on
city own property.
[39:03] Okay.
>> A lot of trees.
[39:05] » That's a lot of trees. Yeah,
>> there's a lot of them we're cutting
[39:08] down, too.
Tree management and work planning will
[39:11] break up the city into sections with
information to manage that area. Arbor
[39:15] Day event materials.
[39:30] Okay, Norris, Clinton and Knoxville are
using this.
[39:48] » What are we
paying?
[39:51] » Yeah, that's we pay but we get
reimbured.
[39:58] That's number two.
>> It's in tree inventory
[40:01] » cost
[40:04] » under tree inventory.
>> Doesn't this hinge on the the funding we
[40:08] get from Arbor Day?
>> I think so.
[40:11] » Yeah. They're paying for
trees for the new for the park over
[40:16] here.
[40:19] » So any expenses we have, we're going to
be reimbursed.
[40:22] » Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. Do I have a motion to
[40:28] approve the Rocky Top Urban and
Community Forestry Inflation Reduction
[40:34] Inflation Reduction Act?
>> That's is that
[40:36] » takes a bureaucrat to come up with that
uh grant proposal.
[40:46] » It's they're doing an inventory of our
blooming trees. Uh and they pay us back
[40:52] to do this inventory.
[40:56] Yeah,
>> it's the Harbor Day Foundation.
[41:00] » Yeah. And and this is all tied into, you
know, we get a couple thousand bucks a
[41:04] year uh from the Arbor [clears throat]
people.
[41:10] » Yeah. For planting trees and and
whatnot. And this is all tied into that.
[41:16] » They got to have an inventory to know
where we need new trees
[41:20] » because of all the mimosas we've cut
down.
[41:26] Okay.
>> Yeah. Do do I do I have a motion to
[41:30] approve to request for the grant for the
Rocky Top Urban and Community Forestry?
[41:37] I can't say that again. Inflation
reduction grant. I make a motion to
[41:43] accept it.
>> Okay, we have a motion. Do I have a
[41:45] second?
>> I'll second it.
[41:51] Call, please. Gillum.
>> Hi.
[41:54] » Tacket.
>> No.
[41:55] » Daniels.
>> Ah.
[41:57] » Dove.
>> I
[41:59] » Templan.
>> Ah.
[42:04] » Next is bench for paving.
[42:13] » We have
[42:20] Okay, here we go. Rogers group.
[42:29] Three bids or four?
>> Three bids. Three good bids came in.
[42:34] [clears throat]
>> Rogers Group. AXC. Who are they?
[42:42] » Didn't the ones out here didn't bid?
AXC LLC
[42:48] and Durac Cap asphalt paving.
[42:53] This is for paving
four street from Main Street to the
[42:58] interstate bridge. Also, uh cold planing
3 in of four street down. So they would
[43:06] mill four street down 3 [clears throat]
in
[43:10] and go back with an inch and a half
>> of compacted asphalt.
[43:16] Uh high street
from
[43:24] » High Street,
>> High Street from Fourth Street to 7
[43:30] » Street before we tore it all the pieces.
uh Cobb Hollow
[43:37] from
the city limits to North Freeway
[43:43] and Pearl Street from Main Street to
Leech Street
[43:52] for a total of [clears throat]
[43:59] Okay.
[44:07] 187,77280
[44:15] and that funding is coming from
>> ARPA
[44:18] » the ARP our ARPA funds that we have had
for a couple years here. Those are
[44:25] specifically appropriated for
infrastructure.
[44:29] Paving's definitely an infrastructure
[44:33] Do I have any discussion on regards to
the bids for paving? Is
[44:38] » it Underwood?
>> It's too big. Too big for them.
[44:42] » Okay.
>> Yeah. And I'm sure that's the the the
[44:45] you know, we've got another We got a
paving outfit in town for you know where
[44:49] Clayton was at the uh
what's the name of that people that used
[44:56] to be there? Barlo, but there there's
another facility back behind Clayton's.
[45:01] There's another there's a paving company
in there.
[45:04] » Really?
>> Mhm.
[45:05] » Yeah. Neither one of them bidded on it.
>> Their guess is too big for them.
[45:10] » Yeah.
>> So, surprisingly, Rogers
[45:15] had the low bid
of $187,772.80.
[45:23] I'm sure there'll be a lot of people in
town happy. I don't street will be
[45:28] » Four Street. Four street's a big one.
Four street's a mess.
[45:32] » Street High Street both a mess.
>> Do I have a motion [cough] to approve
[45:39] the bid for Rogers Group and the amount
of $187,772.80
[45:46] to pave and meal the roads noted
>> previously. Motion.
[45:53] » Okay. Have a motion. Have a motion in a
second. Call roll please.
[45:57] » Gillan
>> I.
[45:58] » Tack it.
>> Hi.
[45:59] » Daniels
>> I.
[46:00] » Dove.
>> I.
[46:01] » Templan.
>> All right.
[46:08] » No. City streets. Okay.
>> Oh, you mean global bill?
[46:14] » Oh, no.
>> Okay.
[46:17] » And statement of qualifications for
sludge press system. Uh
[46:23] » this is for engineering.
[46:28] » This is Canon and Canon
and CTI. That is the
[46:35] Is that the new organization that's come
in with Canon and Canon?
[46:38] » CTI.
>> Yeah.
[46:40] » No, they got four or five offices.
[46:46] » Okay.
[46:55] Okay, this is a parks and rec. Why did I
have the sledge press?
[47:01] » It should say parks.
>> It does carry out design services on
[47:05] 2024 parks and recreation.
>> It should say that's not right.
[47:10] » Should say,
>> but it's the same.
[47:14] » Yeah, it's the same.
>> Okay.
[47:19] On the scoring,
Canon and Canon came out at 100
[47:26] and CTI engineering at 95 out of the
possible 100 points.
[47:32] So, we need to vote on approving Canon
and Cannon to be the engineering of
[47:39] record on the sludge press.
Uh, that was USDA, right?
[47:46] » Yes. The USDA sledge press grant be the
engineer of record for the sledge press
[47:52] grant.
Do I have a motion to
[47:57] approve cannon and cannon as the
engineer of record on the USDA sledge
[48:02] press?
>> I'll [clears throat] make the motion.
[48:04] » Second. I'll roll please.
>> Gllum.
[48:08] » I.
>> Tack it.
[48:09] » Hi.
>> Daniels.
[48:10] » I.
>> Dove.
[48:11] » I.
>> Templ.
[48:12] » I.
[48:16] There be nothing further to come before
the board. Do I have a motion to
[48:20] adjurnn?
>> Motion.
[48:22] » I have a motion. Do I have a second?
>> A second.
[48:26] » Motion a second. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[48:29] » Opposed.
We are adjourned.
[48:33] » Can I get a motion to put up my
Christmas tree? Their weapons.