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Good morning, everybody. It is 9 o'clock. We'll call the February 9th, 2021 council meeting to order.

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Updates and approval of the agenda.

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So, I

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have one thing. We do have an in-camera regarding

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that's the back pay issue.

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I'm kind of wondering if we need to keep this on the agenda and I'll look to Council for some direction on this.

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Is Mr. Robinson available?

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He said he would like to appeal it.

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We had added this to the agenda back last week, we were preparing it because we thought

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there may be a council motion coming forward for it.

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It's my understanding that there isn't a motion coming, at least that's what I understand

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at this point, so I just suggested that we may not need it on the agenda, but I'll leave

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that to council to make that decision.

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Thank you.

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As

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Council, as far as the back pay issue goes, we received the sort of part two of the

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legal opinion we requested, and we sent

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an offer to Councilor Tansen, right, and Kissel

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regarding that, and the offer was graciously denied, so at this point I'm wondering if we

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need a discussion in camera. Do I have any, do I get any feedback on that?

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Councillor Kissel, I see your lights on. Thank you. Through the read, Councillor Kissel,

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Kissel, Division 9. Given that, I cannot participate in these, if there's something to be

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voted on, I think it needs to be left up to the rest of Council. And I don't know what my

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and how my colleagues actually feel about that,

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as I didn't know what this was actually pertaining to.

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And so I'll leave it at that thought.

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Yes, and this does pretty much apply

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to the remaining counselors for that discussion again.

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As the issue has gone to the appeals court,

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Again, that's the question.

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Do we still need to have an in-camera discussion,

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Councillor Hanson?

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There's actually, I believe, three separate small claims actions,

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and it's unrelated to the overall whistle at hell versus rock of you,

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so just to be clear, and I will have to recuse myself for my new voting

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having to deal with the small claims action.

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You can read Councilor Wright-Divisionate.

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Yeah, I think we'll have to reduce myself.

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And just for some clarification,

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as the Councilor Hansen just said,

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if this was to do with the small funds action,

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then your motion would have been set up incorrectly,

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because you have a Kissel versus Lockheed County,

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and it would be more versus,

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maybe probably Wright versus Hansen versus

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and Kissel versus,

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because it will set the claim.

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So just moving forward,

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if it's anything to do with our backpair,

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let's suggest that that's how Councilor Hansel

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format it,

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but I will be reducing myself.

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the decision made at this time.

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Okay I'll ask if anyone from that that isn't

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involved in the in the PLC would like to comment Deputy McHller. Thank you

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through the chair. I'll actually make a motion to remove that item if I could get

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a motion out. Through the chair this is Tyler Andreessen the clerk today give us a

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moment and we'll throw up the motion to remove item M3 from the agenda.

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Okay. And can we deal with item E5 at the same time? I believe there's been a request

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to have that item removed so we can deal with both of those at the same time I think.

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I think for this one we'll probably through the chair again this is Tyler and Jason.

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We can do the motion separately because of the abstention for M3 so we'll do M3 first

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and then we'll put up a motion for E5 after.

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makes good sense to me. So I'm going to read that into the record that the February 9th,

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2021 Council meeting agenda be amended as follows. Remove item M3, Kessel versus Rocky View,

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comma 2020, ABQB 406.

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Thank you.

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Subtion, call the question. Is anyone opposed to none? That motion carries?

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I can go ahead and continue on with the...

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I don't know where you wanted to make a motion or, or.

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Yes, it was division three. I thought I would remove it from the agenda after talking with the applicant.

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So if you get the next motion on the board, please. Sure.

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So there's a number of reasons why he wanted this removed and there's a confusion in the dates.

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And he had indicated to the residents that the hearing would be happening later.

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And so what I was informed so to keep everything above bar, he preferred to keep the original date that

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But he was under the impression that they were operating on, which was communicated to

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residents in the area.

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So I'd like to move that the February 9, 2021 Council meeting agenda be amended as

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follows.

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Remove item E5, public hearing for by-law C-011-2020 for PL2019-0140 and I might as well

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go ahead.

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We'll do that.

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Yes, we'll deal with this motion.

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By exception, is anyone opposed to the motion?

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Seeing none, that motion is carried.

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Councillor Hansen.

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And at the February 9, 2021 council meeting agenda be approved as amended.

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Thank you very much.

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Also by exception, is anyone opposed?

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Seeing none, that motion is carried.

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So I did forget to go through my little script here, so I'll do that prior to opening the public hearings.

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This meeting is being held under the meeting procedures COVID-19 suppression regulation as set up by the province.

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Which means the meeting will is being live streamed to the public via the county's website in lieu of in-person attendance at the county hall.

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If for any reason live stream goes down the meeting will be you need to be recessed until the live stream is brought back up.

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If the live stream is not able to be brought back up, the meeting will be adjourned to a later date.

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I would ask that everybody participating electronically keep your microphones muted

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until unless you are requesting to speak.

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This will help prevent background noise and unnecessary interruptions.

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If you wish to speak, please turn on your microphone so the green light is activated

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and I will call on you to speak.

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If I miss the queue, please feel free to interrupt and get my attention and I will call

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on you to speak.

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Once I call on you to speak, I would ask that you state your name and division or

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department before speaking so that the public can identify who is speaking.

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I will also ask all Councillors participating electronically, please keep your cameras

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activated so that the clerks can confirm you are present at the meeting.

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If you are staff or one of the applicants today's public hearings, I ask you to please keep your microphone and cameras turned off unless you are presenting or responding to a question.

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Finally, I'll ask for everybody's collective patience today as we make our through make our way through this council meeting virtually.

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Now we'll go to the approval of minutes.

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I get a motion on the board. Please and go to deputy.

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I'll make that motion that the January 26th, 2021 Council meeting minutes be approved as presented.

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Thank you very much. We'll hope by exception any opposition to the motion.

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Any none? Our motion is carried and we will go to item E1, please.

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Before we open the public hearing, I would like to remind the public that they may begin

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providing email submissions to public hearings at rockiview.ca. Please clearly state the

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by-law number in the subject line of your email. I would also like to align the process

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that will be followed for this public hearing. After opening the public hearing, we will begin

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with a presentation from Administration, followed by questions of Administration from Council.

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Next, the applicant will provide a presentation followed by questions of the applicant from council.

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We will then play any pre-recorded audio or video presentations in support of the application,

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followed by any pre-recorded audio or video presentations in opposition of the application.

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I will then call for any final e-mail submissions and allow five minutes for the public to submit

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any last e-mail submissions to public hearings at rockiview.ca, both in support or in opposition

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before declaring e-mail submissions closed.

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If e-mail submissions are received, they will be provided to Council and the applicant by

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email as well as uploaded to www.rockivu.ca slash meetings dash hearings or the public. Once the

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email submissions have been distributed, we will take a recess to read and consider those submissions

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before returning and continuing with public hearing. If no email submissions from the

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are received from the public, we will continue with public hearing which will conclude with the

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applicants rebuttal, if required and any final questions of administration.

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May I have a motion

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to open the public hearing? Councillor Kessel.

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Through the release, Councillor Kessel Division 9.

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Sorry, Councillor Kessel, we didn't get

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a motion or didn't hear one anyways. Sorry, can you hear me now?

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Yes, we can. Okay, thank you. Councillor Kessel Division 9, I move to open E1.

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Thank you very much.

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By exception, is anyone opposed to the motion?

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Seeing none.

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Could we get a report from administration, please?

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Good morning, Chair and Council Member.

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My name is Cindy Minus for Planner, representing planning department services.

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So I apologize I couldn't be there in person because my car couldn't start this morning.

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I tried to plug the block into the last night, but still couldn't work so I have to join the

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medium through the screen. Give me a second. It looks like the running, right? Did you see anything?

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We don't see anything yet. There we go. Okay. Okay. Thank you. This E1 item is about the

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road allows closure, road allows closure.

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It's located in the north-west of the county in Division 9.

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The land is located approximately a one-and-a-half mile north

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of a township road to 62, and on the west side

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of Glendale Road.

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Here's the stop to land.

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You can see the land is divided by this Glendale Road,

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but still remain under the one title.

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So the applicant they want to do is to close this portion

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of the road allowance

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and that located west of this land

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in order to facilitate future land consolidation.

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Here is the analysis.

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When we assess this application,

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we consider what the impact could be

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with this road allowance close.

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You can see that the adjacent land to the west currently have direct access to the Glundere road through this road allowance.

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Should this part be closed, then they will lose this direct access.

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So that is one potential impact.

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We also realize even though the topographic of this road allowance is steep at some point,

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but it's the only location to build a county road to provide access to the adjacent land.

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Without this road allows, the land is become a landlocked. So we think should this road allows

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it close, the future development on this land would result in a parcel without direct access to the

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county road. So that comes to our conclusion, we recommended a refusal in a

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calling with option two. That's closed my presentation. Thank you. Thank you.

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Do we have any questions for administration?

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I have Deputy McChyler and then Councillor Hanson.

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Thank you, through the chair.

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Just a question regarding, Kim McCyller, Deputy Reef. Just a question regarding the landowner then to the, at least that last west. So, is that the same landowner?

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So, to the chair to deputy, my client, this is a different land owner.

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Land owner to the left, I'm trying, I try to call him twice and the left message because

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I want to expand the potential impact to his land, if this role allows close.

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But the thing is, I haven't received any response from this land owner.

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Thank you. And this landowner was in the circulation area, but we didn't receive a reply to that either. Did we?

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Exactly. That's correct.

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Okay. And due to the nature of the topographical concerns, I don't know what the landowner to the west has an access off of.

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So I don't know that that road, that they're

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entomated. Yeah, would they be able to gain

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access to the back, to the north part of

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there? Like, would there be an alternative access, I

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guess, from from that east west road that they

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access their property on? Or is it just topographically

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difficult?

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So, so the chair through that period of my client, I provide this another map, hopefully

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you can see that on the screen.

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This is the shows to the north, perhaps another mile, there's a no road, there's a no road

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physical road has been built because the top graphic there is even worse.

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So I see, now I can share this screen, sorry.

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So, see, this map shows this is the South of the land and the land to the west.

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See, this is the only access point to get access to the land to the west.

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Hoping out to the north, to the west and to the south, there's no other county road.

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And even there is a road allowance, but due to the top of graphic constraint, there's

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even worse.

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It's not feasible to build a road.

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So we believe this is only a property location to have a county road, especially to protect

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the existing access and to facilitate the future development on this land.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Hanson.

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Through the chair, Councilor Hanson, Division 3, I'm just curious, is it really only the

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southern portion of the road allowance for practical purposes that we're protecting?

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Is there any discussion by administration on, say, the northern two-thirds of the road

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allowance?

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Through the chair, to Councilor Hanson, we talk about that.

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That could be another option if we just protect this existing access, if the Council

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We also wish to close the Norse portion, we can do that, but we suggest that leave at

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least 120 meters, because this is still very flight, is part of the location to build

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a county road, and not only to protect this existing access, but to leave some possibility

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to provide access to the future land, to the South of the land.

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Thank

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Thank you.

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Anybody else wishing to ask questions?

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Councilor Belky.

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Thank you.

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Through the chair, I noticed in the comments,

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the circulation comments, Alberta transportation comments,

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about starting the closure a little further north,

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200 to 250 metres.

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Is that possible to do?

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Through the Chair to Council, Belki, yes, that is another recommendation.

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We agree with the AT's recommendation if we leave about 100 to 100 meters and then close

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the rest.

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That's a little cheaper to go to facilitate the future development on the GCNAT.

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And that would allow access to the parcel to the West?

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We provide that portion of a county road, a county open road allows, that means that

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possible to build a county road in the future, when the development happened on this

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season end.

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Then that's owner or developer can make it happen to build a county road.

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As long as we preserve this open a county road allows.

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So long story short, did lousy access to the parcel to the west?

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Yes, that's correct, you saw it on the side.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Wright.

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Really, Councillor Wright, division eight.

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Just this thing, the portions of the sections of the North West,

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is that owned by the same landowner?

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Because if we just close off at $250, how did they get to that portion?

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So the chair to council write the union that this portion?

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The other one beside it to the left, that one.

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Yes, they're all owned by the same person, the same landowner.

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Okay, so then he could access those top ones through the BotPerfect.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Be very helpful if we had his input, but I understand you've tried.

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Thank you for that.

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Thank you. Any further questions for administration?

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I see none.

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Thank you.

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We will now have the applicant's presentation,

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and you have the applicant has 20 minutes.

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I'm Terry Raymond,

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landowner of all of section 21, the southwest quarter that title is

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actually under Cougar Springs, which I am a shareholder of, and my daughter resides

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on that southwest quarter.

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The balance of this section is held by Redtail Holdings, which is a corporation owned my wife

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and myself.

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The presentation there showed that the landowner who is Dana Boothby, Dana owns

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all of section 20.

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Dana is not opposed to it the reason you couldn't get a hold of them.

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I don't think he cared. He does have access to his property. There is wells drilled by two oil

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companies along the south boundary of section 20. There is seven wells drilled in LSD1, which is

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right up against the undeveloped road allowance, right at the south boundary of that road allowance,

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and on the west side of it, they continued west with the lease road, and they've drilled, I believe,

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four more wells there and as you get into the next section, section 18 to the

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west, also owned by Dana Boothby, another well was drilled there by a different

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company. So access to the entire south half of section 20 is feasible and doable

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by the landowner.

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The idea of closing the road allowance was so that we could try to protect

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unwanted access. I have had an issue with road allowance hunters who have the legal right to hunt

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on an undeveloped road allowance without permission from either landowner, even if they do not have

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permission to hunt the adjacent properties. So it's it's something I've been working with the

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Alberta government trying to try to restrict the discharge of a weapon from an undeveloped

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rollout since since 2012. It's still ongoing and I think I have a great chance of having that done

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but we don't, that's kind of about in my control at this point.

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So the idea of limiting access up to the north, up the area that is colored and red,

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it's claiming a hill.

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If you go up 250 meters, I think you've gone too far.

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If you want to hold out the portion on the bottom, I'm not opposed to that at all,

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But as I say right now, there is all kinds of ample access.

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A rigs move through that.

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So there's all kinds of movement through there.

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And it goes right to the first lease, which has seven wells, as I say, drilled on the property.

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So I don't know if you have any further questions regarding that.

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If you do, please let me know.

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We certainly will.

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Is that the end of your, are you finished with your presentation, Mr?

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Yeah, I mean, and there were lots of the North, I mean, on the next quarter to the Northwest

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in the Northwest of 21, it goes down into the Bickel Springs, Cooley, it's undeveloped.

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There's no access. I can't even fence my own property. I lose about 30 acres of property

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because of the topography. I can't fence it. But I would sure like to get rid of unwanted

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of the property of the lands.

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That concludes my thoughts.

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Very good. Thank you. We do have a question from Councillor Kissle.

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Thank you. Through the read, Councillor Kissle, Division 9.

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Mr. Raymond, I can see on the map that there's one, two, three, I think three or four well leases.

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I believe that's what I'm seeing in my map.

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So currently, they are accessing all of the east west, heading west towards the Big

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Hill Springs Cooley. That's all being accessed from that. There's not really

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road allowance, but there is looks like a road in there. So is that that's all private?

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It's all private. It's all owned by being a Booster. Correct.

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Okay. And if we were, if council were to move this forward, you're looking at, you're

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okay with us closing, keeping a portion of that road open.

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And we're looking at approximately 200 meters.

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You know, is that with that work for you?

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I think 200 meters is excessive.

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of, I think a maximum of 100 meters, I would take you to the north boundary of the lease

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that is presently held by, it was NAL, but just recently purchased by Whitecap, it would

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probably take you to the north boundary of their lease, which gets you close to the ridge

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where you're climbing a hill.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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That's all I have.

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Perhaps.

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Through the chair, Councillor Hanson, Division 3, so over the closing, the road allowance

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look like in terms of fencing or barricades, to actually achieve the intended purpose in

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the south side of your property there.

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All right, President, I have a grazing lease on the road allowance.

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on the undeveloped road allowance, the fencing is in place for probably the first half a mile,

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and then after that I've had to not fence the road allowance and follow topography just because I

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can't get machinery anywhere close to the road allowance itself. So to answer your question,

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the road allowance is leased by myself and it is on the western side of the of the

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undeveloped road allowance.

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Okay, so you feel confident with Fencing or

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Barricades they just won't be breached and people use the road allowance anyway

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allowing you to do that and permanently close the road allowance as your own

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proper property would achieve your your ends. That that is correct. At present there is a spruce tree

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up on the road allowance. Somebody walked up there years ago and they decided they needed to do a

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little target practice. The trees probably about a six inch diameter spruce tree in somebody with a

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high-powered rifle. Shot holes through the tree until the tree fell over.

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That gives them the legal

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right to do that at any time without permission and that's just for target

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practice.

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All right thank you appreciate the answer. Thank you. You have any

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further questions from Mr. Raymond.

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I see none. Thank you sir.

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I don't think there

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is any written submissions in our agenda package.

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Did we receive any pre-recorded

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audio or video presentations in support? This is Tyler Andreessen. Clark

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We did not receive any either in support or in opposition.

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and Mr.

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And now we received any pre-recorded audio or video presentations in opposition. Through the chair, no. Thank you. So this will be the final call for email submissions, both in support or opposition. Please. We

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will have for five minutes. You please be sure the application number is in your email. And.

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There's clear, clearly indicate whether you're in support or opposition of this application.

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Council, I'll stand at ease for five minutes.

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We did not receive any email submissions.

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Opposition?

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Mr. Bell, please.

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Thank you.

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Through the chair, just to administration,

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as we see on the diagram on page two of five or 24 of 197,

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and the entranceway going into the property to the west, would it be possible to, let's

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say, start the closure 10 meters north of that entranceway because the applicant seems

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to indicate that there's not much value in going any further.

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We do have an entranceway going in now, 10 meters would allow in case big equipment is

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going in there as you said to testing equipment or what have you. So is that possible in

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the

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year? Good morning. So Zinnak and I'll tackle this one. Good morning, Council. Good

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for your nature on behalf of planning and development services. To chair the Council

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of Elk, either the one challenge that closing a portion of the southern portion that role

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allowance will cause is if you notice the next item on the agenda is the closure of the

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section of a little allowance north of the one that we're talking about today.

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And should council proceed to close a portion of this sort of allowance, what issue and

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problem it could cause is it would cause access issues to the quarter directly to the north

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of this quarter.

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It's a disadvantage into this sort of allowance in the sense that all other access configurations

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or access considerations for that parcel rely on passing through this sort of allowance

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to get to that parcel. So I just wanted to bring that forward to council

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attention prior to making a decision.

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We heard all of that in the hearing. My question was, is it possible to go 10

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meters north of the existing approach? We see by this same picture, this same overhead

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photo, there is no, no, not even the resemblance of a road going north there in

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that diagram within the red outline, and we heard from the applicant the topographical

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area is very steep and rough. The likelihood of entranceways needed, we never heard

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from any of the neighbors. So my question is, is it possible to only go 10 meters north just

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to allow extra access availability to the property to the West.

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To the chair, yes, it is possible to do that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Do we have any more questions for administration, Deputy McCullough?

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No, thank you, through the chair, Kim McCullough, Deputy Reeve.

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This question is, is, is probably for Mr. Onesar.

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So I know where I'm dealing with E1 right now.

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And E2 is the same landowner, same road allowance.

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It appears to me, and I understand what you've said is that if we stop this one, we could

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affect that parcel to the north.

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However, doesn't that parcel to the north have access off of 264, and again, I'm not

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trying to confuse the two things we're dealing with one at a time here, but would that not give

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them access from the north side off of 264 there?

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I can answer this question, so the chair to Deputy Rive, you will hear more when I present

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the next item.

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You can see how steep slope that is in the north portion because that steep slope will

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to be over 30%, which is making it impossible to build a county road within that road

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allowance.

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Looks like there's a road allowance, but it's not really feasible to build that in the

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north.

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So that's why we want to keep this south portion.

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This is the only way to get access and to service the GZMN to the west.

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So I hope that will answer the questions.

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Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Questions for administration?

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I see none. Thank you very much.

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Now go to

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Councillor Kessel for a motion. Move to close, please. Thank you. Motion to close by exception.

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Do you have anyone in opposition? Seeing none, the motion carries. Councillor Kessel.

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Okay.

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Thank you. Um, so. Oh my goodness. Can you hear me now? Yes. Hello.

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Okay. I see

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everybody's nodding. So I'm going to ask councils to support me on this one. I would like

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to see this go to the minister. This is an area that it's very hard to build roads in.

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And as for Mr. Raymond's statement about hunting, this is a huge problem on these road

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allowances that are not about. And I hear this often in Division 9. And we want to support

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our cattle ranchers. And I guess this is maybe one way of doing that. But I actually would

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I'd like to hear from the minister on this,

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but I also would ask council to support.

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I would like to keep that first 100 meters,

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or 120 meters as was suggested by administration.

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I'd like to keep that open.

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And that gives us a little more options,

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moving forward 10, 15, 50 years down the road.

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I do know this area, I've helped move cattle in this area

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And I'll tell you what, you need a good horse to move cattle in this area.

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It's steep.

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So I sent a message to Tyler asking him to amend my motion if possible.

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Tyler, did you get that?

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To Councillor Kessel, so I got an email with the original request.

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We'd have to probably take a recess or perhaps even table the amendments for this one.

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The road closure bylaws are quite finicky, especially when they go to the minister and when they go to land titles for approval.

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So I would also look to sin for some advice on whether we can do an amendment quick today or if they should come back in a future meeting.

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But just because of that line title issue, these ones do require a little bit more care for the amendments.

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Okay, so I'm going to move to table. So we have time to do that if council would support that, please.

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Thank you. So we have a motion to table the application waiting

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for that along the board.

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And then through the chair, this is Tyler Jason the clerk. I look for look to Ms. Dang to see whether or not this is something we could bring back perhaps this afternoon or if we're looking to a future meeting.

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I

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think this up to no works, we can get something done.

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Please have to. On the bring you back.

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Quite have the motion on the floor. Do we just yet? Not yet. We're just waiting for it to be finished. Okay. Deputy McChyler. Had something to say.

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Thank you to the chair. Can my. Is it a table? Emotion on the table on the floor? Oh, you're not actually. There is no motion on the floor as yet. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And that's why I was trying to get my hand before the motion was met. I'm just saying again.

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Again, I have no issue supporting a tabling motion.

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I just suspect we'll be doing something similar with item E2.

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And so I think that if we can deal with these collectively.

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So again, I don't want to predetermine what's going to happen with E2, but if there's something

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we can do holistically for Centidio with that might work well as well.

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So I'm glad we're doing it until the just later today.

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I guess I was worried that it would be table to some meeting in the future.

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there.

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Thank you, Councillor Belkey. Thank you, through the chair. I guess I could direct

454
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to Councillor Kissle. I do support you on this. I believe that you're on the right track

455
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:26,730
here. The only thing we've heard from the owner, we didn't hear from the owners to the west.

456
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:35,710
And there is no issue here with actually closing it right down to the property line.

457
00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:41,790
Had we known in advance that it was going to have to be tabled and moved to another day,

458
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:50,510
perhaps we'd have maybe done some second thoughts on tabling it and moving this.

459
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:59,490
the landowner, you know, maybe if you word, if you are to table, if I could suggest going

460
00:46:59,490 --> 00:47:06,290
to the north boundary of the lease as he suggested, that may be more palatable to everybody

461
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:07,090
in the community.

462
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:10,980
Thank you.

463
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:13,220
Councillor Kessel.

464
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,660
Through the Raid Councillor Kessel Division 9, that's exactly what we're doing by allowing

465
00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:27,620
that 120 meters that that allows that and if you if I understood Mr. Raymond

466
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:34,140
correctly he thought that was an acceptable condition that would work still

467
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:41,140
for him and he knows the line better than the rest of us and I do believe he

468
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:46,180
did support this so I would like to continue and table this and get it done

469
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:51,780
right as we've had to have other items come back that had any little amendment and have

470
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:57,300
to be rectified again after the fact. So I think it's important we do it right the

471
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:02,740
first time and then we're well on our way to getting things complete.

472
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,620
Councillor Kisle, I guess we could have a little debate. What I heard him say is he didn't feel

473
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:15,140
there needed to be anything set back from the property line other than the to keep the approach.

474
00:48:15,140 --> 00:48:24,540
But if we had to, he preferred to go to the north side of the oil well lease or the lease.

475
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:29,300
So his preference was to not go any distance at all.

476
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:34,680
So I understand, but I'm not trying to twist his words, that's what he said.

477
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:41,160
Thank you.

478
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,580
Is the motion ready?

479
00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:44,580
and

480
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:50,630
just in my comments to the deputy

481
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:54,690
Reeve regarding I'm not quite too sure what the common man

482
00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:59,310
other than I felt like the deputy was asking to deal with these both at the

483
00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:03,270
same time but I think they're they're separate public hearings so that's not

484
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:03,810
possible.

485
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,420
If you're ready Reeve I'll go ahead with that motion. Please do.

486
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:19,940
Through the brief Councillor Kissle Division 9 I'd like to move that item E1

487
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:29,960
be tabled until this afternoon. Thank you. I have no debate on the motion. I think we're safe to go

488
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:38,480
by exception here or okay I've been advised the roll call is better so I'll start with Councillor

489
00:49:38,480 --> 00:50:06,130
in favor in opposition in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor I just hope administration knows what it's being

490
00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:10,550
table 4. Councillor Kessel. In favor?

491
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:17,810
Reef hand is in favour, so that item is tabled until this afternoon. We'll now move

492
00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:19,930
to agenda item E2.

493
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,640
And again, we will go to Councillor Kessel.

494
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:25,200
So

495
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:33,860
if Councillor Kessel, division 9, move to open E2.

496
00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:38,830
Do you want to open item E2 by exception? Is there any opposition?

497
00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:41,770
Any none? The motion is carried.

498
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:47,480
Go to administration for their report.

499
00:50:50,910 --> 00:50:55,310
Good morning. This is a scene again representing planning a

500
00:50:55,310 --> 00:50:56,410
development of services.

501
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,860
Give me your moments. I'm trying to open this.

502
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,320
Okay. Can you see it now?

503
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,020
My screen.

504
00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:06,500
We

505
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,100
can.

506
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,860
Tyler can we try again to do the screen sharing?

507
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:13,900
Can

508
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:33,110
you send me that the message?

509
00:51:33,450 --> 00:51:35,590
I can click the accept the screen share.

510
00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:37,530
This is Trial Endration Clerk.

511
00:51:37,770 --> 00:51:39,690
We're trying to resend it to you.

512
00:51:41,110 --> 00:51:41,970
Thank you.

513
00:51:52,310 --> 00:51:52,550
Carter.

514
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Thank you.

515
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,480
And this is a e2 item.

516
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520
It's another row that allows a closer application.

517
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:09,860
Located at just the north of the one parcel we talk about.

518
00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:17,020
The land is still located approximately two miles north of the Township Road 262 and

519
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:19,060
the west of this Glendale Road.

520
00:52:20,730 --> 00:52:28,140
The subdued land is divided by the Glendale Road and still remained under one high

521
00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:28,280
height.

522
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:35,220
The applicant proposed to close this portion of the road allowance and to foresee the future

523
00:52:35,790 --> 00:52:36,940
land consolidation.

524
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:45,240
We do the analysis again, we realize that the decision to land to the west has no

525
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:46,380
development right now.

526
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,980
Future access that we rely on the county road to be able to rethink the existing road

527
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:52,300
announce.

528
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:59,000
Then we think about the results three options for the future access to prevent access to

529
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,960
the land to the west.

530
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:09,820
Access option 1, which is current over the road allowance, but the issue is it's very steep slope.

531
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:17,580
Some point is here is even over 30%, which makes the road construction very difficult.

532
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:23,260
So this option 1 is not really possible, possible.

533
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,280
Then we have a think about the option 2, access option 2.

534
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:36,120
But the thing is, the load allowance of this BQ Spring Trail has been closed in 1982 due

535
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,320
to the slip slope and the proximity to the BQ Creek and its repair area.

536
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,260
That means those two options are now feasible to build a road.

537
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:49,980
Then, we come down to this option 3.

538
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:55,780
It appears that the future acts as to the adjacent and wooden rely on this sub-dead road

539
00:53:55,780 --> 00:54:03,360
announced. And the slope in some point is only about 15%, which is possible to build a county

540
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:10,980
road. So we think should this road allows is close that the Jisenland would become a landlocked.

541
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:19,320
So they come down to our recommendation. We recommend the refusal in according with option two.

542
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,120
as close to my presentation. Thank you.

543
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:28,200
Thank you. Do we have any questions for registration? I have councilor Wright.

544
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:37,740
The lead councilor Wright division eight, so just some clarification. So if this piece

545
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:43,420
gets closed off then the land is landlocked, but how does it currently access right now?

546
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:46,340
Sorry. Ms. Gange, keep it closed.

547
00:54:46,340 --> 00:54:52,740
So the chair to counsel, right, there's no development on this land.

548
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,020
So there's no demand to get access.

549
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:03,540
So basically this is undivided, yeah, the owner of this land doesn't expect desire to

550
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:05,240
request it to have access.

551
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,420
So therefore there's no development and no access currently.

552
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:10,380
Okay.

553
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,180
So the question is that if the future development, if we claim that we can't close this part

554
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:30,600
because we wouldn't be able to access that particular land piece of land, then closing off the southern portion from the previous application would really not provide any access unless you're saying it would have to go through that option one that you provided, is that correct?

555
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:39,840
That's part of correct. That's why we bring these two applications together today. So we

556
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:47,080
can have this make a comprehensive decision to consider the corresponding impact and

557
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:55,960
the related impact. If there's two road allowance close, what would bring to the factor to the

558
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,940
and that. So that's why we bring the two

559
00:55:58,940 --> 00:56:01,520
applications together so we can think,

560
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,360
make a better decision.

561
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,480
So right now we think to close this portion,

562
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:11,940
if the council decided to close the sales portion,

563
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,660
it's really make it difficult to open this one,

564
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,180
because that is connected.

565
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,760
But as I said, if we think of other options,

566
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:30,760
This one is not feasible because that was closed in 1982, so it's harder to reopen because

567
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:37,180
also the repair area. So now if the council choose to close this one, we have to go back to this option one.

568
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:47,400
With this slope, slope about 30%, we don't know if that's feasible to be on a road.

569
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,580
So is very challenging to close this one and a source portion?

570
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:59,080
So according to option one, though, it looks like it ends at the, if you follow the red line

571
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,460
to the top corner, it looks like it would have to have a bridge that would go over that

572
00:57:03,460 --> 00:57:03,760
water.

573
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,680
If that road was going to be the axis going all the way to the end, what, how would that even

574
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:08,760
access that portion?

575
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:13,300
It would just access the very top, so I guess you could just drive around, but that slope

576
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:14,380
looks incredibly steep.

577
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:19,360
Okay, there's a question I have. There's a comment by LaFarge Canada that says we've

578
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,800
not made an application to close the road allowance. No, we're looking for an official closure.

579
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:29,660
Sorry, I can't read today. We do, however, have an agreement with Alberta Transportation

580
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:35,960
to mine the sanding gravel within the road right of way. So they already have that land,

581
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,940
I guess they've got the setbacks from the riparian area and stuff like that, but they already

582
00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:48,200
have approval to Myanmar? Is this particular land already zoned in R.I.? How does that work?

583
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,540
So the Chair of Councilor Wright, they currently, this is LaFarge,

584
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:01,920
leasing this property to do this gravel pit. They said that they have this lease agreement with the

585
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:09,000
airport transportation to leasing this unused road allowance for this gravel purpose, but the thing is

586
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,900
So that is a temporary. So once their operation complete, everything went back to normal.

587
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:20,220
So they don't really close or using anything, they just do this temporary operation.

588
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:26,360
Okay, so this is where I guess I'm not understanding. So they have a greener of our transportation

589
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,140
to mind the standing level in the road right away to the north or the one that runs east

590
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:37,540
west or the one that runs north south, the one that we're talking to the north.

591
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:44,200
So they were not using anything because right now they have this access through the here.

592
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,940
They know he's not able to build a router to do anything here because it's so steep.

593
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,620
So they can get around and do something here.

594
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:57,940
But they do have the access, the ability to mine the land, not within this portion.

595
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:01,580
You're saying just the stuff to the north in which case, why is that even identified as a comment?

596
00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:02,420
I'm a little confused.

597
00:59:02,420 --> 00:59:03,360
It

598
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:13,080
must be these, they're saying they have the ability to mind the road at what's currently

599
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,000
on the screen as the red line is how I'm reading that, but you're saying it's to the north.

600
00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:25,780
Yes, because the large is operating here, nothing has passed this subject and they were doing

601
00:59:25,780 --> 00:59:31,060
their operation on the north's land and north portion of this land.

602
00:59:32,020 --> 00:59:36,580
Right, but what's back up to do with their comments about being able to mind the very

603
00:59:36,580 --> 00:59:38,300
the way of the parcel we're talking about?

604
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:46,260
I said neighbor did just say, they're saying they will continue doing that.

605
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,300
They will not factor the by whether the road analysis opened or closed, they still have

606
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:52,980
a right to do this operation.

607
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:53,700
That's the purpose.

608
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:55,100
Okay.

609
00:59:55,340 --> 00:59:55,820
Okay.

610
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,300
I'll accept that.

611
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:57,720
Thank you.

612
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,700
Thank you. Do you have any further questions for the registration?

613
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,900
Through the chair, Councilor Hanson, there's in three.

614
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,920
We look to the lands to the west.

615
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:18,580
I see sort of two developable parcels, ones in the Cooley bottom of Big Hill Springs Creek.

616
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:26,640
There's two blue areas which are identified as wetlands. Is the access not through the

617
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:35,540
the roundish color, almost where the word access is on the map. Is that correct? And was

618
01:00:35,540 --> 01:00:36,960
that the access I was holding?

619
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:43,840
There's no access to this portion if you refer to this area. There's no access

620
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:50,240
to this land. So is that even available that area on the flat?

621
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:50,340
But

622
01:00:53,190 --> 01:01:00,070
in theory, it's not really available because it's close to the repair area and is

623
01:01:00,070 --> 01:01:04,610
identified as a wild land, so it's not available in theory.

624
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:05,710
Okay.

625
01:01:06,030 --> 01:01:11,690
So the access we're talking of protecting really is on the southern border there.

626
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:17,330
And that's one thing you have this landowner right now, that's not subdivided, correct?

627
01:01:18,490 --> 01:01:19,750
Yes, it's correct.

628
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:24,650
So, it wouldn't private internal roads provide access to that parcel?

629
01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:28,190
That's one of the options.

630
01:01:30,430 --> 01:01:32,250
So, was that access option three?

631
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:35,030
You mentioned there were three options, but...

632
01:01:35,610 --> 01:01:41,870
Options three is with Encourage to protect open, keep this road allowance open.

633
01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:48,090
So, the future development on this land could have direct access to the future county road.

634
01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:54,590
So that's why we encourage to open this and keep the suck that road allowance open.

635
01:01:55,770 --> 01:02:02,230
Okay, but I believe the southern portion of the southern E1 road was steeper than the

636
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:03,110
north side here.

637
01:02:03,850 --> 01:02:08,470
So for practical purposes, it's not really navigable to get up and over the hill.

638
01:02:10,290 --> 01:02:17,690
Would there be another alternate way to link into this road allowance if it was just starting

639
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:21,650
where it's shown as the red box on the map here, I don't think so.

640
01:02:23,730 --> 01:02:29,050
Through the Chair to Council Hanson, actually the slip slope here is only about

641
01:02:29,050 --> 01:02:36,030
less than 15 percent. Is the way is a standard to then compare to the other

642
01:02:36,030 --> 01:02:42,370
steps, so I think that's why we think keep this open and the build a county road is feasible.

643
01:02:42,370 --> 01:02:43,410
Right.

644
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:52,040
Can you maybe bring up the full map of the Southern road allowance that we looked

645
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,940
at last public hearing? Okay. Just to refresh our memories, please.

646
01:03:28,340 --> 01:03:29,040
And with the contact

647
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:38,140
airlines? This is the sub-delano where we're here. Talk about at the E2 icon. This is the E1

648
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:48,280
land we talked about just so here this portion is more gentle flat compared to the to the to the

649
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:55,600
slope here or here so we think the curve this or keep this open is able to build a county road

650
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:01,840
we think this road is right can you bring up the top graphical map with the country lines though

651
01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:10,880
So I thought the southern portion of that hill was steeper.

652
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,600
Do you have an idea of the percentage slope?

653
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:15,680
We can do that.

654
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:21,400
It's about 10% to 12%.

655
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,360
This portion.

656
01:04:24,570 --> 01:04:24,850
Okay.

657
01:04:27,250 --> 01:04:28,190
Thank you.

658
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:31,730
Thank you.

659
01:04:32,370 --> 01:04:34,030
Do we have any further questions?

660
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:39,820
Thank you.

661
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:45,560
We will now have the applicant's presentation and you have 20 minutes.

662
01:04:48,990 --> 01:04:49,370
Hi, Kerry.

663
01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:50,030
Raymond again.

664
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:59,610
Redtail Holdings, in this case, on the Northwest Order of Section 21, I disagree with comments

665
01:05:00,370 --> 01:05:11,730
on the presentation there, access to the Northeast Quarter of Section 20 isn't a feasible

666
01:05:11,730 --> 01:05:16,390
Well, really, in my opinion, off the undeveloped road allowance in any manner, if you were

667
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:24,910
to come off that road allowance where the option three was shown, you would drive down

668
01:05:24,910 --> 01:05:28,290
westward and into a coolee.

669
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:37,030
It's not feasible, and I know both me never even, he never goes that way, it's not feasible.

670
01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:39,250
Well, feasible practical.

671
01:05:39,810 --> 01:05:45,470
The quarter section to the north with a gravel pit is, that's also owned by Dean of Boothby.

672
01:05:46,310 --> 01:05:53,490
The road allowance on the north-south is presently under part of the permit that allows for

673
01:05:53,490 --> 01:06:02,390
extraction of gravel, so portion of that is the road allowance that's running east-west.

674
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:13,390
The minable area years ago was mined by the county, that's the county pit, and it's been

675
01:06:13,390 --> 01:06:19,830
reclaimed for the most part, there's some still gravel piles there that the county utilizes,

676
01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:26,590
but access along that undeveloped road allowance is not feasible in any manner.

677
01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:42,390
So you could, I mean, you could, you could access the property possibly down below if the mining of gravel was to continue and get deeper and deeper down to cut away the bank, but I don't think that's ever going to happen because the county didn't want to go that way.

678
01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:49,420
So the person on the undeveloped road along is going north south.

679
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:56,700
I just believe that there's no way in any manner that it's ever going to be developed.

680
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:04,700
I don't believe Dana Booth, the other would want to access that north quarter coming off

681
01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:05,580
the undeveloped road along.

682
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,780
It's just not feasible.

683
01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:13,960
You're driving down too much of a hill and in regards to coming off the South boundary

684
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:20,620
along Glendale Road where we talked about utilizing so many meters of the undeveloped road

685
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:20,960
allowance.

686
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:26,380
I mean, you're climbing a hill to build a road up there.

687
01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:32,160
I don't know if County would ever approve a development of lands further to the west utilizing

688
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:32,880
that hill.

689
01:07:33,260 --> 01:07:37,020
It's like going down woodland road down to the river.

690
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:43,920
it's steep, it's not really practical and then you'd be turning off a hill to get in behind the

691
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:50,960
the lease that is currently operated by white gap so and it all goes back to

692
01:07:52,520 --> 01:08:02,380
it's not a developed road allowance access along the south boundary to the property is there it's utilized

693
01:08:02,380 --> 01:08:12,500
by the oil companies, so I just don't see the proctor go side of it, Dana Boothby did not oppose it,

694
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:17,020
Dana Boothby is the type of person that if you can reach him on the phone great but he's not

695
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:22,300
going to return a phone call, he doesn't return people's phone calls unless it's the his benefit, so

696
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:28,380
trying to contact him, I could phone him right now and probably get him on the phone and he'd

697
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:34,380
But I don't know if you want me to try to interrupt your meeting and do that.

698
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,260
Anyways, those are my comments. I don't know if I've answered all your questions.

699
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,640
If you've got further questions, please let me know.

700
01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:48,320
Thank you. Do we have any questions for Mr. Raymond?

701
01:08:54,690 --> 01:08:59,070
I don't have any questions, but I just like to thank Mr. Raymond for the clarification. It was very helpful.

702
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,040
Thank you.

703
01:09:04,150 --> 01:09:07,170
I see no questions for Mr. Raymond.

704
01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:09,330
So thank you, sir.

705
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:15,970
We have no written submissions in our agenda package in either support or opposition.

706
01:09:16,830 --> 01:09:20,770
Mr. Andreessen, do we have any audio or video presentations in support?

707
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:22,630
Through the chair, we do not.

708
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:27,790
Do we have any pre-recorded audio or video presentations in opposition?

709
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:29,790
Through the chair, we also do not.

710
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:32,430
Thank you.

711
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:38,930
I will now give five minutes for final e-mail submissions either in support or

712
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:41,710
opposition of this application. You

713
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,260
will now stand at ease for five minutes.

714
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,680
You receive an e-mail submissions.

715
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:46,300
Chair,

716
01:14:49,930 --> 01:14:50,670
we may want to

717
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:19,010
I think we have quorum, I believe everybody except Council would come back. So I'll ask again, Mr. Andreessen. Through the chair, we did not receive any e-mail submissions.

718
01:15:22,930 --> 01:15:39,930
Thank you. So seeing as there was no presentations or letters in opposition to the application, the applicant doesn't require rebuttal. Do we have any final questions for administration?

719
01:15:44,190 --> 01:15:45,810
Thank you.

720
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:50,710
Just like to see question here,

721
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:54,350
has the administration ever done this

722
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:56,930
with an application where a land gets,

723
01:15:57,310 --> 01:15:58,670
piece of property gets landlocked

724
01:15:59,370 --> 01:16:00,430
or you know,

725
01:16:01,050 --> 01:16:02,950
we haven't heard from the actual neighbor yet.

726
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:05,890
So what kind of problem does this present?

727
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,440
Yeah, so the chair to counsel

728
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:13,500
on Kamachi,

729
01:16:14,620 --> 01:16:17,680
this is the big concern we have

730
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,860
because when we think about the planning application,

731
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:28,360
We think about the access services and access is the major concern for this one if we

732
01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:30,880
Allow this road allows close

733
01:16:31,460 --> 01:16:35,900
Then we would take a ride from this direct access to the GCN

734
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:45,680
That is the thing we want to prevent we want to protect everyone have a legal access and the legal access coming from this county road

735
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:52,700
else. If this is a close, this will be very difficult whenever the access will be considered

736
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:59,800
private access, not the county public legal access. So that's why we try to preserve this right

737
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:06,120
for the future landowner, whoever who owned the land to the land to the north, we have to make sure

738
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:13,020
they have the right to access to the county public legal access. I hope that answered your questions.

739
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:14,660
Yeah, thank you very much.

740
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:16,980
Councillor Belkey.

741
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:23,540
Thank you. Through the Chair to the Administration, in your report, it says future access to the

742
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:29,480
adjacent lands would be, would rely solely on the subject road allowance. And I believe Councillor

743
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:37,020
Hansen brought in to the conversation earlier on in the hearing that you could build a private

744
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:42,640
road on private land. And you can build that road to whatever standard you would like,

745
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:43,280
Is that true?

746
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:51,340
As soon as you're to Council Belki, that's true, but it's now to the idea situation.

747
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:56,140
We always prefer to go to legal public access if it's possible.

748
01:17:56,780 --> 01:17:59,000
But if it's now to do to prevent a reason.

749
01:17:59,860 --> 01:18:10,940
Again, if I can, the first part of the executive summary says the application is consistent with the requirements of the road alone closure and disposable or disposal policy.

750
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:21,980
CC443. So it fits policy and if a future landowner chooses to build a road down a very

751
01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:28,380
steep cooleas we've heard, that is their prerogative. So thank you. We

752
01:18:32,030 --> 01:18:32,970
have any further questions

753
01:18:32,970 --> 01:18:33,590
for administration?

754
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,940
I see none. Thank you very much. Councillor Kessel.

755
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:44,980
Thank you.

756
01:18:45,140 --> 01:18:49,100
Through the REVE, Councillor Kissle, Division 9, I'm going to move to close.

757
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:54,040
Motion to close public hearing by exception, is there anyone in opposition?

758
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,780
Seeing none, the motion carries, Councillor Kissle.

759
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:06,080
Through the REVE, Councillor Kissle, Division 9, I'm actually going to look for support on

760
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:06,480
this one.

761
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:13,780
I do not believe that it's even probable that there will be a road built in this area.

762
01:19:13,780 --> 01:19:16,480
And why is, because it's a wildlife corridor,

763
01:19:17,420 --> 01:19:20,740
steep slopes, it backs on to a provincial park

764
01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:23,000
when you get far enough down into the valley.

765
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,540
It's a wetlands.

766
01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:30,220
And I believe most of this area is basically grazing for cattle.

767
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,820
And I think that is its best use.

768
01:19:34,340 --> 01:19:39,360
And when you have cattle grazing and gentlemen shooting trees

769
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,000
down in your same area, we've got a problem.

770
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:49,520
and I believe Rocky View County needs to make sure that our agriculture areas are protected

771
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:59,040
and the wetland areas are already protected. So with that I'm going to move option one,

772
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:09,540
motion one that by law see 8096-2020 be given first reading.

773
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:18,930
Thank you. Motion on the floor. Is there any debate or discussion? Councilor Wright and then Councilor

774
01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:25,470
Gutro. Through the read, Councilor Wright of Internet, I'll support that motion. If the room could have

775
01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:30,350
been built along there, it would have been built along there. It said we have Blumbo, or Blumdo,

776
01:20:30,450 --> 01:20:36,890
Robe brother, that does this bizarre little jig as it stands. I do believe it's protected. We've heard

777
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:41,070
it's repairing, we've heard there's wetlands, we've heard there's steep slopes, it's basically

778
01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:46,150
four mile falls within every single policy we have to protect those lands.

779
01:20:46,530 --> 01:20:51,290
And so ever putting a load in there, I can almost see as time goes on, that's a rule will

780
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:52,210
become more protective.

781
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:58,430
And as Councillor Kissle alluded to, I do think we owe it to our residents to provide them

782
01:20:58,890 --> 01:21:01,350
a safe place to live and a safe place to ranch.

783
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:05,830
And we did hear about the shooting and I know that this is a problem in this area.

784
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:08,290
And so for those reasons, I will be supporting this.

785
01:21:09,550 --> 01:21:10,770
Thank you, Councillor Goetheural.

786
01:21:13,460 --> 01:21:14,520
Thank you, Councillor Goetheural.

787
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,620
I will not be supporting the motion.

788
01:21:19,620 --> 01:21:24,920
It's going to be landlocking property, lands, and people's lands rights.

789
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,680
You know, we've heard from administration, and their best result was that we need this access

790
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,980
for future land development possibly.

791
01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:36,540
Could be 40 years down the road, 30 years down the road.

792
01:21:36,540 --> 01:21:41,660
We can build private roads absolutely to whatever standards we want, however, what happens

793
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:45,400
if it becomes two different land owners or are subdivided, and they have no legal access.

794
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:51,320
So I'm not in support of cutting people's access off, so I will not be supporting the motion.

795
01:21:54,140 --> 01:21:55,640
Thank you, Deputy McIner.

796
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:57,100
Thank you.

797
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:57,880
Thank you.

798
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:58,780
Thank you.

799
01:21:58,780 --> 01:21:59,800
Thank you.

800
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:05,840
Through to the chair, Kim McIner, Deputy Reid, and I quite frankly gone back and forth with

801
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:06,740
with this one.

802
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,500
And I certainly understand what the landlord is trying to do, and I certainly

803
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:18,200
understand the topographical challenges of this. And I certainly question that about whether or not

804
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:23,860
we need this as a road allowance given that it will never likely be developed. All that said,

805
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:29,700
I have to agree with Councillor Gattro, is that we are using the closure of a road allowance to solve

806
01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:36,520
legislative problem that's how the government of Alberta level and the applicant is already

807
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,280
working with the government of Alberta to sort of change the rules.

808
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,560
So I feel like this might be a slippery slope for closure of road allowances to solve

809
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:52,060
a hunting problem which I have empathy for when it should be fixed at the legislative level

810
01:22:52,860 --> 01:23:12,560
with the G.O.A. I'm also concerned that while Dana Booth may not have any issues and in fact hence why he's not here today, but he may not always own that land and then we've created a problem downstream for a future land owner that may want to do something.

811
01:23:13,140 --> 01:23:15,760
And so for that reason I can't support this either.

812
01:23:22,140 --> 01:23:29,800
I will support this. I don't believe the road is practically feasible and because it's

813
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:36,880
a meticulous landowner there are other options and part of the condition of civil division

814
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:44,360
is that you do not create a landlocked parcel so that's a problem for a different day that

815
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:52,140
there is potentially private access that makes far more sense given the topology than a grid work

816
01:23:52,140 --> 01:24:04,120
laid out in 1904 with no regard for rivers or topographical features. So my common sense approach

817
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:11,600
would say because of this one continuous landowner currently we're not causing any problems at this

818
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:20,200
point in time and the best solution in the future, I believe, is much like Glendale Road

819
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:26,560
rooting it around these topographical features. So I'm in support of the motion.

820
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:32,190
Thank you. Are you sure, Councillor Belkey?

821
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,580
Do we have any other comments or debate before

822
01:24:37,580 --> 01:24:40,880
I call the question? Councillor Kessel to close.

823
01:24:45,620 --> 01:24:52,160
Actually, I think it's all been said, there's no point in reiterating what I've already

824
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:52,580
said.

825
01:24:53,120 --> 01:25:00,340
I do believe this closure will not affect anyone in the future based on just the slope

826
01:25:00,340 --> 01:25:05,920
and the fact that most of the areas protected in the bottom, you're not building houses there.

827
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,440
So, I would just ask council for this support.

828
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:12,860
Thank you.

829
01:25:14,620 --> 01:25:18,240
All the question in favor or opposed, Councillor Kamachi.

830
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:25,020
Support.

831
01:25:27,190 --> 01:25:28,130
Deputy Reeve MacKyler.

832
01:25:29,130 --> 01:25:29,730
Paulish.

833
01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:32,560
Mr. Hanson.

834
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:33,720
In favor.

835
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,260
President, Councillor Guttro.

836
01:25:45,810 --> 01:25:46,490
In favor.

837
01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:48,710
Councilor Wright.

838
01:25:49,890 --> 01:25:50,530
In favor.

839
01:25:51,450 --> 01:25:52,490
Councilor Kisel.

840
01:25:53,230 --> 01:25:54,390
In favor.

841
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,140
I can get motion number two on the board, please.

842
01:26:10,780 --> 01:26:17,680
I'd like to move that by, I'll see 8096-2020 be forwarded to the Minister of Transportation.

843
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:19,520
Thank you.

844
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Is there any discussion or debate on the motion?

845
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,380
Seeing none, I'll call the question.

846
01:26:25,380 --> 01:26:29,880
in, Councillor Camacho, in favor or opposed?

847
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:30,580
In favor.

848
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:32,840
Deputy Regent McIlar.

849
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:34,260
In favor.

850
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:35,940
Councillor Hanson.

851
01:26:36,620 --> 01:26:37,000
In favor?

852
01:26:38,460 --> 01:26:39,320
Councillor Goutrault.

853
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:40,800
Opposed?

854
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:44,160
In favor.

855
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,480
Councillor Wright.

856
01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:49,160
In favor.

857
01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:50,740
Councillor Kissle.

858
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:52,420
In favor.

859
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,040
In favor and the motion carries.

860
01:26:56,220 --> 01:26:56,720
Thank you.

861
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:03,520
So if it's okay with everybody, I would like to go to E3 and then we'll have a short recess after that,

862
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:08,900
Councillor Belkey.

863
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:12,840
Thank you. Moved to open the hearing. Motion to

864
01:27:15,530 --> 01:27:18,290
open the public hearing.

865
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:23,250
By exception, is there anyone opposed?

866
01:27:25,310 --> 01:27:30,280
Being none, the motion is carried. The administration presented that.

867
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,820
Good morning, council. Looks on the Newman representing planning and development services.

868
01:28:04,820 --> 01:28:11,280
The item for your consideration is PL 2020-0140, a proposed road allowance closure.

869
01:28:14,530 --> 01:28:16,250
We'll just wait for the presentation to queue.

870
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:04,900
All right, about that, technical difficulties.

871
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:06,540
Next slide, please.

872
01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:13,450
The lands are located approximately 1.6 kilometers east of Highway 9 on the south side of

873
01:29:13,450 --> 01:29:14,750
Township Road 274.

874
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:23,900
The area under consideration is adjacent to the eastern portion of the subject parcel and

875
01:29:23,900 --> 01:29:26,620
includes approximately 1.15 acres of road allowance.

876
01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:31,960
The purpose of the request is to provide access to the southern portion of the lands which

877
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,940
are effectively divided as a result of the canal.

878
01:29:37,660 --> 01:29:41,800
Administration notes that the unsubdivided quarter-section to the east is bisected by the

879
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:46,740
same canal, while there is no pending application for subdivision and no comments were received

880
01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:51,260
from any landowners, there is the potential that the southern portion of this parcel would

881
01:29:51,260 --> 01:29:57,560
have to install 800 meters of road versus the 275 meters should access be along the existing

882
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:58,100
remote allowing.

883
01:29:58,980 --> 01:29:59,980
Administration that

884
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,800
Therefore, has limited concerns about the closure of this road, allowance affecting adjacent parcels.

885
01:30:06,130 --> 01:30:10,570
Administration recommend approval and accordance with option one, and that concludes my presentation.

886
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:33,180
Thank you, Councillor Belkey. Thank you, through the chair. Your, I think the diagram you have up here, the access from the south would be 800 meters, is that correct? Through the chair, that's correct. Okay, and the north one is 275. So is it possible to come

887
01:30:33,180 --> 01:30:37,240
off of the township road on private land and build the

888
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:43,020
275 meter road that you wouldn't

889
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:48,960
need the should there ever be any desire for subdivision through the chair. I mean the

890
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,640
canal would be somewhat of an impediment but certainly if that could be overcome then

891
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,160
the access could be created that way.

892
01:30:54,780 --> 01:30:54,900
Yep.

893
01:30:55,340 --> 01:30:55,620
Okay.

894
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:56,440
Thank you.

895
01:30:56,440 --> 01:31:03,260
Do we have any further questions, Councillor Wright, and then Councillor Hanson?

896
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:12,560
So I'm just looking at the map on page two of seven if you're a good reader.

897
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:19,960
So is it that the process totally in essence land like it doesn't have access at all unless

898
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,300
that right-of-way is opened up?

899
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:26,160
The borderline's kind of hard to figure out on this map because

900
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:30,480
I see there's a couple of

901
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:31,300
buildings down there.

902
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:33,060
How are they currently accessing those?

903
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:37,320
So through the chair they would be using the road allowance to access it because the canal

904
01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:42,680
is so close to the road allowance that the ability to access.

905
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:48,520
On that property is quite small and so I would imagine that they're using the road access.

906
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:54,020
You can kind of see the road track on the aerial photo if you look closely where they're looping

907
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:56,380
around the canal to access the rear portion of the property.

908
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,760
My lines are a little thick and then when I look at it on your picture I can see that

909
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:01,960
well.

910
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,760
So, okay, thank you very much.

911
01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:06,400
Councillor Hanson.

912
01:32:08,830 --> 01:32:09,490
Thank you, Chair.

913
01:32:09,650 --> 01:32:11,130
Councillor Hanson, Division 3.

914
01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:13,370
So, just a little confused.

915
01:32:13,630 --> 01:32:13,810
Sorry.

916
01:32:14,090 --> 01:32:19,430
So, the picture we're currently looking at, we see the farm access, I guess,

917
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:21,990
off to 74 township road.

918
01:32:23,770 --> 01:32:28,970
How would closing this road allowance impact lands to the north of the canal?

919
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:29,850
Through

920
01:32:33,140 --> 01:32:35,220
the chair, currently there is no impact.

921
01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:40,960
The only consideration was because the canal continues eastward onto the adjacent parcel.

922
01:32:41,340 --> 01:32:46,860
Should a future subdivision occur, perhaps subdividing the north half from the south half and

923
01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:51,600
the canal, being the bisecting line between those proposed parcels.

924
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:57,300
There is the potential that now that that southern portion of the adjacent parcel may not be able to

925
01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:00,640
to use that access to Township Road 274

926
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:01,700
that they would need to go south.

927
01:33:03,780 --> 01:33:07,380
So you see the southern portion of the adjacent parcel.

928
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,740
Can you show me that on the map just to be clear?

929
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:18,100
So you can see the red line is the proposed closure

930
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:19,420
of the road allowance and to the east,

931
01:33:19,540 --> 01:33:22,500
you can see the canal zigzagging through the adjacent parcel

932
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:23,140
to the east.

933
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,160
So our only consideration there was,

934
01:33:28,260 --> 01:33:30,380
you know, we don't have any subdivision applications in.

935
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:32,220
We're not aware of any plans to subdivide

936
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:43,880
But should the, you know, the southern portion south of the canal be subdivided, then there may be reduced ability to use the allowance to go north to town to put 274.

937
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:52,180
Okay. And through the chair, then that was the area with the yellow star on it on a previous map through

938
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:58,580
the chair. That's correct.

939
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:04,720
All right. So it's actually 800 meters versus 275 plus a bridge.

940
01:34:05,740 --> 01:34:06,780
That's correct.

941
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,000
Okay.

942
01:34:09,460 --> 01:34:16,460
Was there any rough idea on cost-wise bridge plus 275?

943
01:34:16,460 --> 01:34:18,300
How that equates to 800 meters?

944
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:23,180
Is there a financial hardship with this decision today?

945
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:31,660
Through the chair, accessing across water bodies, particularly canals and named water bodies tends to be more difficult.

946
01:34:31,660 --> 01:34:33,920
and I presume it's more expensive.

947
01:34:34,140 --> 01:34:36,320
I don't have any cost estimates at this time.

948
01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:38,920
Okay, thank you.

949
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:41,900
Thank you.

950
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:43,620
Any further questions for the administration?

951
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:46,980
I see none.

952
01:34:47,580 --> 01:34:48,540
Thank you very much.

953
01:34:49,660 --> 01:34:52,720
Now have the applicant make their presentation?

954
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,080
Go ahead, Mr. Larson.

955
01:35:22,350 --> 01:35:23,390
Yep, we hear you well now.

956
01:35:24,270 --> 01:35:26,010
Sorry about that, some technical errors on my side.

957
01:35:27,010 --> 01:35:27,910
My name is Paul Larson.

958
01:35:28,210 --> 01:35:31,950
I am the owner of the property and the question

959
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:40,050
with my wife, Cerula. We want the property a few years ago, not realizing that there was a road

960
01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:45,330
allowance there. We are under the impression that we own that part of the property. But apparently,

961
01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:52,090
we just found out from the idea that we do not. So we would like to be able to combine it with our

962
01:35:52,090 --> 01:35:59,370
property so that we use the bags as to the south portion of our property. And if we were to be

963
01:35:59,370 --> 01:36:06,310
The road open security for our property would be hampered, I believe, because there

964
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:08,970
would be two easy access into the area.

965
01:36:13,070 --> 01:36:19,130
We presently do not have any development on the property other than our campings, weekends

966
01:36:19,130 --> 01:36:28,650
and summertime, but we do, in the future, plan to build on the property and also to build on

967
01:36:28,650 --> 01:36:33,910
property need to have just the most things of properties that's allowed.

968
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:38,580
Thank you. Do we have any

969
01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:44,120
questions for the applicant Councillor Belkey? Through the Chair, it's Councillor Belkey

970
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:52,760
Division 6. Mr. Larson has talked to your neighbors to the south and has there ever been access issues

971
01:36:56,140 --> 01:37:06,900
We've spoken to our neighbors to the west and east and none of them have any issues

972
01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:09,080
with the property that I know.

973
01:37:10,860 --> 01:37:11,500
Thank you.

974
01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:16,830
Further questions for the applicant?

975
01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:22,010
The none.

976
01:37:22,710 --> 01:37:24,150
Thank you very much.

977
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:29,960
I see no written submissions in our agenda package.

978
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,140
Mr. Andreessen, do we have any audio or video presentations in support?

979
01:37:35,740 --> 01:37:37,520
Through the chair we did not receive any in support.

980
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:39,000
Thank you.

981
01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:43,800
Do we have any prerecorded audio or video presentations in opposition?

982
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,700
Through the chair we did not receive any in opposition either.

983
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:48,560
Thank you.

984
01:37:48,780 --> 01:37:55,860
I will now make a final call for e-mail submissions, either in support or opposition,

985
01:38:00,190 --> 01:38:01,590
for five minutes.

986
01:38:07,310 --> 01:38:12,370
Yes, and those submissions can be sent to public hearings at rockiview.ca.

987
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,820
We did not receive any email submissions.

988
01:43:38,180 --> 01:43:38,600
Thank you.

989
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:40,900
Through the chair, I move to close the hearing.

990
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:44,590
To close the public hearing.

991
01:43:47,020 --> 01:43:50,720
Is there any opposition being none?

992
01:43:51,260 --> 01:43:51,880
Motion carries.

993
01:43:54,350 --> 01:43:54,630
Thank you.

994
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:57,710
I see staff has recommended the approval.

995
01:43:58,090 --> 01:43:58,950
I agree with that.

996
01:43:58,950 --> 01:44:08,190
But this is a mainly, completely agriculture area, the access issues over the last hundred

997
01:44:08,190 --> 01:44:10,510
or 150 years have not been an issue.

998
01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:17,830
And I don't foresee anything that isn't solvable coming up in the future even on a private

999
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:18,270
access.

1000
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:28,130
So I'm going to move for option one, motion one, that by-law C-8100-2020, be given first

1001
01:44:28,130 --> 01:44:34,410
reading. Thank you. Do we have any debate or discussion on the motion?

1002
01:44:38,030 --> 01:44:40,070
Seeing none, I will call the question

1003
01:44:41,410 --> 01:44:44,070
in favor or oppose Councillor Kamachi.

1004
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:50,660
In favor? In favor? In favor.

1005
01:44:51,420 --> 01:44:52,720
Calls for Hanson.

1006
01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:53,760
In favor?

1007
01:44:56,110 --> 01:44:56,810
Calls for Goutro.

1008
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:05,810
Councilor Guterl, good

1009
01:45:11,340 --> 01:45:19,180
to assume that's an in favor. Thank you, sir. Councilor Belky. In favor. Councilor Wright.

1010
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:24,000
In favor. Councilor Kissle.

1011
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:31,620
In favor. And we've had this in favor. That motion carries.

1012
01:45:33,770 --> 01:45:44,270
Councilor Belky. Thank you. Motion to that by law C8100-2020 be forwarded to the Minister of Transportation for approval.

1013
01:45:44,270 --> 01:45:47,030
Thank you.

1014
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:48,850
Councillor Kamaachi.

1015
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:52,300
In favor?

1016
01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:54,760
Dreeb Makayar.

1017
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:56,160
In favor.

1018
01:45:56,820 --> 01:45:57,480
Councillor Hansom.

1019
01:45:58,160 --> 01:45:58,620
In favor?

1020
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:00,340
Councillor Gritroll.

1021
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:02,910
In favor?

1022
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:04,730
Councillor Belkick.

1023
01:46:05,090 --> 01:46:05,510
In favor?

1024
01:46:06,250 --> 01:46:07,030
Councillor Wright.

1025
01:46:07,850 --> 01:46:08,350
In favor.

1026
01:46:09,190 --> 01:46:10,390
Councillor Kisle.

1027
01:46:11,850 --> 01:46:12,890
In favor.

1028
01:46:13,550 --> 01:46:13,730
In favor.

1029
01:46:13,730 --> 01:46:14,570
Your hand is in favor.

1030
01:46:14,850 --> 01:46:15,630
Not motion carries.

1031
01:46:16,810 --> 01:46:17,170
Thank you.

1032
01:46:17,170 --> 01:46:21,950
We'll now recess for 10 minutes and we will go to

1033
01:46:24,220 --> 01:46:27,640
I forget the number business item L1

1034
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:30,100
We'll see you in 10 minutes.

1035
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:06,080
Emergency management

1036
01:55:09,460 --> 01:55:10,480
Introduce their

1037
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:16,700
annual presentation every

1038
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:22,820
year and

1039
01:55:23,660 --> 01:55:28,600
The county is a long history of supporting stars in the county and

1040
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:35,820
And we've even have our decal on the side of the helicopter their new helicopters as we've seen

1041
01:55:35,820 --> 01:55:38,000
when we did our grand opening.

1042
01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:39,760
Yeah, my report in front of you.

1043
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:42,660
The one thing I did want to highlight this morning

1044
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:45,980
in the report it talks about 16 missions

1045
01:55:45,980 --> 01:55:48,420
in the Rocky View County in 2020.

1046
01:55:49,420 --> 01:55:52,660
And I just, I always try to mention

1047
01:55:52,660 --> 01:55:56,160
that the whole Star's Air Amulance System

1048
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,400
is really a well-oiled machine.

1049
01:55:59,700 --> 01:56:02,740
Not only did they fly 16 missions into the county

1050
01:56:02,740 --> 01:56:04,660
and generally in support of fire

1051
01:56:04,660 --> 01:56:10,060
and ambulance services when we have a serious medical or a traumatic event that happens in

1052
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:15,760
our county. I often hear when the guys are going out and based on dispatch information

1053
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:22,220
that the the stars is already schooling up and sometimes it gets stood down which is

1054
01:56:22,220 --> 01:56:27,580
good thing but they are part of our emergency response system. We're also very fortunate

1055
01:56:27,580 --> 01:56:32,740
that they do provide training to our crews out there in the field and we have radio communications

1056
01:56:32,740 --> 01:56:37,240
directly with the helicopter, often giving vital patient information to the paramedics,

1057
01:56:37,540 --> 01:56:41,060
as well as landing information for the star's helicopter.

1058
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:47,680
This morning I'm very pleased to introduce Glanda Fardin. She's been here a number of times

1059
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:49,620
and she has a presentation for you.

1060
01:56:52,580 --> 01:56:53,540
Thank you very much.

1061
01:56:54,340 --> 01:57:00,600
This is Fardin, please proceed. Thank you so much. Can everyone hear me all right?

1062
01:57:01,580 --> 01:57:10,860
it sounds good here. Thank you, thank you. Okay, perfect. I am so pleased to be able to bring you

1063
01:57:10,860 --> 01:57:16,420
an annual update. I wish that I could be there in person with you, but it gives us something to

1064
01:57:16,420 --> 01:57:21,980
look forward to in the future. I'll just share my screen here.

1065
01:57:26,930 --> 01:57:30,470
Is Tyler able to have, I'm not able to

1066
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:35,470
have screen sharing? Is Tyler able to share? Through the chair, this is Tyler and

1067
01:57:35,470 --> 01:57:40,150
Jason. Clerk, we will recent the screen share. Through

1068
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,960
the chair to Glenda, you

1069
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:52,520
should have the screen sharing by now. Okay.

1070
01:58:08,290 --> 01:58:09,630
Are you able to see that?

1071
01:58:12,340 --> 01:58:13,620
Yes, we have it

1072
01:58:13,620 --> 01:58:19,480
on our screens now. Thank you very much. Council also has this in their in their

1073
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:23,280
packages as well so we can follow along that way as well.

1074
01:58:23,940 --> 01:58:31,660
Okay, perfect. So let's start it. So thank you and once again, RocketU County for continuing to be partners that state lives.

1075
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:43,700
COVID-19 has changed all our lives. Stars is a position-driven organization and our number one priority is to protect and maintain unimpacted operations.

1076
01:58:43,700 --> 01:58:49,740
Stars transport physicians are regarded as experts in critical care and the reasons

1077
01:58:49,740 --> 01:58:55,420
why stars was asked to participate in an international consortium to share learnings

1078
01:58:55,420 --> 01:58:56,560
about COVID-19.

1079
01:58:57,060 --> 01:59:03,900
We developed rigorous PPE and decontamination procedures and created an online portal system

1080
01:59:03,900 --> 01:59:10,260
to assist healthcare professionals with airway management, ventilation, and resuscitation protocols.

1081
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:17,720
These are stressful times, and we see a rise in stress-related types of missions, like heart

1082
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:21,260
attack, stroke, drug overdose and COVID-related.

1083
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:29,040
13 and as high as 18% of star's missions are suspected and or confirmed COVID cases.

1084
01:59:31,420 --> 01:59:35,820
During these challenging times we recognize that our municipalities are facing countless

1085
01:59:35,820 --> 01:59:41,380
hardships, and this is magnified by the fact that there are many who rely upon you for help.

1086
01:59:41,380 --> 01:59:52,400
including stars. Like all organizations, the COVID-19 pandemic has negatively impacted our revenues in all funding areas including government.

1087
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:58,840
Last year's lottery did not sell out. The calendar campaign is down by more than half.

1088
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,740
Distration revenue is considerably less with the uncertainty of the energy sector. With COVID-19 still looming around us, most of Starr's fundraising events have all been canceled for the unforeseeable future. Let's look at the positives. Although 2020 has posed challenges for us all, the Starr's lottery is our single largest funding source, so we have moved forward with the 2021 Starr's lottery. We mobilized and worked diligently

1089
02:00:29,740 --> 02:00:33,660
to identify operational and fundraising efficiencies.

1090
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:37,660
We pivoted our fundraising programs to online events

1091
02:00:37,660 --> 02:00:41,460
and we're truly grateful to the communities that have reached out to us

1092
02:00:41,460 --> 02:00:47,680
to host 50-50s and online raffles in place of their annual community fundraisers

1093
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:48,980
that could not be held.

1094
02:00:49,420 --> 02:00:53,180
We are humbled that Albertans continue to stand by our side.

1095
02:00:53,900 --> 02:00:57,880
In its first month, the lottery is outperforming predictions

1096
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:02,780
and we also see an increase in individual contributions coming from our

1097
02:01:02,780 --> 02:01:09,060
direct mail campaign. The increasing request for stars is reflected in the

1098
02:01:09,060 --> 02:01:15,200
aviation expenditures. Administration costs reflect a decrease that we too

1099
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:20,320
suffered the heartache of having to downsize staff members across all six of our

1100
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:25,740
bases. We're truly grateful to municipal partners like Waukeview County who

1101
02:01:25,740 --> 02:01:31,220
represent an area of support for stars that remain steadfast and unwavering.

1102
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:39,320
When people hear about stars, the red helicopter comes to mind, yet stars offer so much more

1103
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:40,900
to the communities that we serve.

1104
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:46,820
From behind the scenes, the Stars Emergency Link Center provides an immediate safety network

1105
02:01:46,820 --> 02:01:52,500
24-7, through coordination and access to all available resources.

1106
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:58,920
Stores transport physicians provide critical care oversight and guidance on all calls deemed

1107
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:06,000
critical regardless of the method of transport and they also support all pre-hospital practitioners

1108
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:14,740
providing physician to physician consultation, orchestrate the complex logistics and facilitate

1109
02:02:14,740 --> 02:02:19,780
with receiving hospitals for coordination of very time-sensitive requirements.

1110
02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:26,740
The emergency link center handles over 31,000 emergency requests per year.

1111
02:02:27,260 --> 02:02:32,500
That's an average of 86 per day, and much of the behind-the-scenes requirements

1112
02:02:32,500 --> 02:02:34,820
involves transport positions.

1113
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:39,620
Let's have a look at the six-year overview of missions.

1114
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:44,940
Overall, 2020 reflects increasing missions across the province.

1115
02:02:44,940 --> 02:02:51,080
Although this may not be the case for your area for last year, we must keep in mind that

1116
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:56,480
we all travel and commute, so rest assured that your continued support of stars ensures

1117
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:03,140
that your residents and neighbors have access to stars, not only in Alberta, but across

1118
02:03:03,140 --> 02:03:04,280
Western Canada.

1119
02:03:04,940 --> 02:03:11,580
In some areas, seen call occurrences have been affected by the pandemic due to much less

1120
02:03:11,580 --> 02:03:12,220
travel.

1121
02:03:12,220 --> 02:03:17,960
The majority of stars missions occurred during the months of September to March, so we

1122
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,280
are still now in a busier season.

1123
02:03:22,580 --> 02:03:29,100
The BK-117 legacy fleet has served stars well for 35 years, yet the new unified fleet

1124
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:32,960
will increase safety and significantly reduce cost.

1125
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:40,460
The H-145 is breakthrough technology, and with its increased fuel efficiency speed and

1126
02:03:40,460 --> 02:03:46,580
range, it will offer as much as 30 minutes additional flight time. Currently we have three

1127
02:03:47,140 --> 02:03:52,880
operational from Calgary and Saskatoon and the third provides BACA. We just received

1128
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:59,300
delivery of number four and five. And a new five-bladed system has been announced with increased

1129
02:03:59,300 --> 02:04:05,580
lift and load capacities. So number six and seven will be the new five-bladed system.

1130
02:04:05,580 --> 02:04:11,320
On expected ride, sometime late spring now due to another COVID delay.

1131
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:16,960
All helicopters will be identically equipped, and we look forward to the completion of

1132
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:20,420
an entire fleet sometime in 2022.

1133
02:04:22,420 --> 02:04:30,320
This is the most newest and technologically advanced intensive care unit environment within

1134
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:34,360
the new H-145 that is currently operational in your area.

1135
02:04:34,980 --> 02:04:40,580
In combination with the exceptional critical care expertise provided by Stars Crew, having

1136
02:04:40,580 --> 02:04:45,600
blood on board, and the Stars transport positions working behind the scenes.

1137
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:52,380
Together, this results in Stars providing the highest level of emergency critical care available.

1138
02:04:54,790 --> 02:04:57,990
Ultrasound is one of the most vital diagnostic tools.

1139
02:04:57,990 --> 02:05:04,310
Previously, we have had ultrasound, but it was a bulky device and not easily transportable.

1140
02:05:04,690 --> 02:05:10,110
This new handheld ultrasound is a game-canger for trauma and heart patients.

1141
02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:16,090
And with early detection, this valuable tool will avoid fatal outcomes.

1142
02:05:19,010 --> 02:05:26,050
Preventual and federal governments embrace the vision of a fleet of H-145s and provided funding for

1143
02:05:26,050 --> 02:05:32,330
seven of the nine helicopters in total. Then COVID-19 hit right in the middle of our

1144
02:05:32,330 --> 02:05:38,410
capital campaign, but we must not lose sight of the vision. New updates since this presentation

1145
02:05:38,410 --> 02:05:45,490
was submitted to date and additional 18.5 million dollars has been raised. From corporate,

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02:05:45,790 --> 02:05:53,130
individual and municipalities, there is still a market for the BK-117 legacy fleet, but it is

1147
02:05:53,130 --> 02:05:59,230
going to depend on market value and the rate of the U.S. dollar later this year. We anticipate

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02:05:59,230 --> 02:06:06,030
the sale of the previous fleet could generate possibly $15 million. And very recently,

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02:06:06,290 --> 02:06:12,950
we just confirmed another municipal fleet gift now bringing us to $10 million remaining.

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02:06:15,700 --> 02:06:21,320
Together, we have saved countless lives. We thank you for continuing to stand by our side

1151
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:26,640
the fight for life. Thank you for recognizing stars as a vital part of the emergency protective

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02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:32,400
services which you provide for your residents. Thank you for your commitment to stars through

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02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:40,560
a standing motion of $79,000 per year. The bottom line is stars is being called to assist communities

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02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:47,440
with the pandemic in addition to the regular daily demands. The most important time is now

1155
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:55,480
But we as our burdens do have failed to do it will be amplified in the future and the stakes are undeniably high.

1156
02:06:56,220 --> 02:07:01,840
You are star's reason for being and we thank you very much Rocky View County.

1157
02:07:04,820 --> 02:07:08,360
Thank you very much. Do we have any questions for Miss Farner?

1158
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:20,640
Thank you. Through the chair. Well, it's nice seeing you again and it's always a pleasure to be able to

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02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:26,980
contribute to this outstanding service for our province and our region and

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02:07:26,980 --> 02:07:33,220
our province. So I would be more than happy to make it. Do we have a motion to

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02:07:33,220 --> 02:07:40,540
make? Or is it a standing motion that we don't need to make? We do have a

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02:07:40,540 --> 02:07:44,940
motion. It's in your package and I believe I think probably we'll get it on the

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02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:48,320
here right away. There you go.

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02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:53,760
One thing I would comment on is good to see that we're on a down trend for calls into

1165
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:59,760
Rocky View where we're quite happy with that. So maybe the COVID has kept people either

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02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:05,760
at home or driving safer or and healthier. I will make the motion that the stars air ambulance

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02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:11,260
presentation be received for information and that administration be directed to provide stars

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02:08:11,260 --> 02:08:15,340
with a $79,000 donation for 2021.

1169
02:08:16,180 --> 02:08:16,540
Thank you.

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02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:17,960
Thank you.

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02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:20,020
I have a motion on the floor to have any discussion.

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02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:24,490
None, Eric.

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02:08:24,690 --> 02:08:25,430
Councilor Goethrough.

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02:08:28,030 --> 02:08:28,650
We're going to chair.

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02:08:29,130 --> 02:08:30,710
I'm definitely going to support this motion,

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02:08:30,710 --> 02:08:33,050
and I'd like to thank stars for their service.

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02:08:33,670 --> 02:08:37,290
Stars is for all of us, actually, for all travelers

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02:08:37,290 --> 02:08:38,890
and for anybody within our region.

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02:08:39,070 --> 02:08:42,150
So I want to thank everybody at stars for their service

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02:08:42,150 --> 02:08:45,390
and for helping when in time of crisis needs.

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02:08:45,390 --> 02:08:45,590
Thanks.

1182
02:08:48,140 --> 02:08:48,840
Thank you.

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02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:51,460
Sir Hanson.

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A question for administration through the Reve.

1185
02:08:55,540 --> 02:08:57,400
This is Councillor Hanson, Division 3.

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The standing motion.

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02:08:59,060 --> 02:09:00,200
One was it put in place?

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02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:03,500
I missed that in the past.

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02:09:04,820 --> 02:09:05,260
Chief Smith?

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02:09:11,460 --> 02:09:11,880
Sir Hanson, yes.

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02:09:13,260 --> 02:09:24,460
This has been, we started this, I see 1991, but I'm curious about the amount of $79,000.

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02:09:24,460 --> 02:09:27,260
and when was that decision made on that specific amount?

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02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:30,740
2015 or 16, I don't have the numbers in front of me,

1194
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:33,480
and it's now part of our operational budget

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02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:38,020
in Council for Council each year as part of grants.

1196
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:42,120
Okay, and is it been a fixed amount

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02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:46,180
or has it been scaled with a cost of living or inflation?

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02:09:46,820 --> 02:09:50,200
It's been a fixed, through the reef to Councilhenson.

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02:09:50,740 --> 02:09:51,720
It's been a fixed amount.

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02:09:53,560 --> 02:10:00,060
Okay so what's the process at actually looking at the level of donation? Is it something council

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02:10:00,060 --> 02:10:05,440
initiates or is it part of that standing motion the historical motion that it be looked at again in

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02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:06,420
a certain number of years?

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02:10:09,810 --> 02:10:13,490
That's true the chair council Hanson that would be part of our operational

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02:10:13,490 --> 02:10:21,650
budget deliberations and it would be addressed at that time. All right you have my take away thank you

1205
02:10:21,650 --> 02:10:23,010
I'll be supporting this.

1206
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:24,970
Well, how did Lee?

1207
02:10:26,870 --> 02:10:27,750
Thank you.

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02:10:29,340 --> 02:10:33,540
Do we have anyone else who would like to comment or debate on the motion?

1209
02:10:35,140 --> 02:10:38,920
Seeing none, I'd just like to say thank you to Ms. Farndon for a great presentation.

1210
02:10:40,060 --> 02:10:45,980
And I think this is money well spent on behalf of our residents.

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02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:48,520
So I too will be supporting the motion.

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02:10:49,260 --> 02:10:51,860
Seeing no further debate, I will call the question.

1213
02:10:58,260 --> 02:11:06,760
Thank you, I'm in favor. I just wonder if there's any money in the pig that we could be handed over as well.

1214
02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:14,940
Well, if you'd like to contribute, I believe Ms. Farndon mentioned something about a lottery. I'll go buy a ticket.

1215
02:11:16,620 --> 02:11:17,380
Councillor Hanson.

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02:11:18,340 --> 02:11:18,940
in favor.

1217
02:11:21,580 --> 02:11:22,340
Councillor Goethrough.

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02:11:25,290 --> 02:11:27,430
I know there's $20 a mine in the pig.

1219
02:11:27,950 --> 02:11:28,470
Very good.

1220
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:33,020
Sir Belky, in favor?

1221
02:11:33,660 --> 02:11:34,460
Councillor Wright.

1222
02:11:36,850 --> 02:11:38,530
In favor, thank you, sirs.

1223
02:11:39,550 --> 02:11:40,470
Councillor Kissel.

1224
02:11:41,730 --> 02:11:42,190
In favor?

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02:11:42,770 --> 02:11:42,950
We're

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02:11:46,340 --> 02:11:47,900
in Miss Farrndon while we have you on the line.

1227
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:49,800
I don't know if you know.

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02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:52,540
We have a thing around here we call a pig.

1229
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:55,480
And it's kind of like a swear jar.

1230
02:11:55,480 --> 02:12:02,060
I don't, it's not here today, but the way it works is if someone on council's

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02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:13,220
Device goes off during a meeting they owe the pig $20 and as long as I've been on council that money has gone to

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02:12:13,220 --> 02:12:16,380
Stars or ambulance. I see councilor Belkie's

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02:12:16,380 --> 02:12:23,340
Could a comment or a contribution? I'm not sure. Well, I have a contribution to make unfortunately my phone went off here

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02:12:23,340 --> 02:12:26,260
and I didn't realize so I don't know if anybody else heard it.

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02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:30,640
I know Tyler did, he's given me the eyeball so he just got another 20 bucks a

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02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:36,560
smoothing. So you're on a good day, 79,000 and 20 dollars.

1237
02:12:37,900 --> 02:12:45,280
Thank you so much. Thank you. There was really lovely to see all of you again.

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02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:49,880
Sorry that had to be virtually but that just gives us something to look forward to

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02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:54,180
when we can all be together again. In the meantime we thank you so much for your

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02:12:54,180 --> 02:12:56,800
continued support. Absolutely, thank you.

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02:13:04,510 --> 02:13:07,510
I'll move to agenda item F1, or

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02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:51,740
waiting. I think

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02:13:51,740 --> 02:13:56,760
I have the behest of Councillor McIlar. Is she suggesting we perhaps turn the pig into a

1244
02:13:56,760 --> 02:14:03,740
swear jar, as opposed to a sound jar? We make a lot more revenue, especially off Deputy Reeve McIlar.

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02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:07,820
Go ahead Ms. Bateman, thank you.

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02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:14,260
Good morning, Reeve and Council. My name is Brenda Bateman.

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02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:17,900
I'm a

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the 2020 year-end audit service plan. This plan is provided to Council on an

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02:14:22,900 --> 02:14:27,340
annual basis as part of the provincially mandated audit process and sets out how

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02:14:27,340 --> 02:14:33,800
MMP LLC will conduct the 2020 year-end audit. MMP intends to present their audit

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02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:40,320
fighting the Council on April 27th 2021. MMP has provided the attached year-end

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02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:44,700
audit service plan, discuss their overall strategy and general arrangements for the

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02:14:44,700 --> 02:14:49,720
audit of Rockview County's 2020 financial state. MMP's mandate includes

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02:14:49,720 --> 02:14:53,820
completing an audit of the following areas, the county's annual financial

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02:14:53,820 --> 02:14:58,240
statements and supporting information, the family and community support services

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02:14:58,240 --> 02:14:59,920
program and the look.

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02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,860
Local authority suspension plan contribution. MMP is present today and available to discuss various topics, including materiality, fraud, the county specific needs and expectations, or any other issues or concerns. Council has the opportunity to contact the auditor at any time or to direct the undertakings of the auditor. For the purposes of this discussion, council may choose to move to close session. In accordance with the following, municipal government section 197 sub two and freedom

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02:15:29,860 --> 02:15:33,560
of Information Protection and Privacy Act, Section 24 and 25.

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02:15:39,820 --> 02:15:40,540
Thank you.

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02:15:41,180 --> 02:15:43,140
And I'd say sorry about that.

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02:15:43,640 --> 02:15:46,260
The administration recommends that the 2020 Year

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02:15:46,260 --> 02:15:48,680
and Audit Service Plan be received as information

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02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:50,520
in accordance with option number one.

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02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:52,460
This concludes my presentation.

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02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:55,660
I'd like to introduce Julie Oliver from MNP LLP,

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02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:58,240
present the 2020 Year and Audit Service Plan,

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02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:00,820
where she'll be able to answer any questions in regards

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02:16:00,820 --> 02:16:01,480
to the audit.

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02:16:02,160 --> 02:16:04,280
I'd be happy to answer any questions directed to the administration.

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02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:12,100
So, we'll start off with that. Do we have any questions of administration before we move on to Ms. Oliver?

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02:16:15,070 --> 02:16:19,250
I see none. So, Ms. Oliver, please proceed.

1272
02:16:24,590 --> 02:16:26,970
Oh, I'm sorry, Ms. Oliver. We can't hear you.

1273
02:16:28,030 --> 02:16:29,930
We have your microphone on, but we can't hear you.

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02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,940
Can you hear me now? There we go. Perfect. Thank you.

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02:16:42,940 --> 02:16:51,040
Okay. Good morning. My name is Julie Oliver with MNP. I'm a partner there. As mentioned,

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02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:59,560
we complete the audit of Rocky View County for their regular financial statements as well

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02:16:59,560 --> 02:17:10,480
as the financial information return. The specified procedures on your LAPP and the SCSS audit

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02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:19,440
as well. So in your agenda package you do have the full audit service plan they're for sure.

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02:17:19,960 --> 02:17:25,360
Just in terms of highlights, I'd like to highlight on page six of attachment A there,

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02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:34,320
page six of 38. The materiality is 3.5 million dollars, which is the same materiality that was used

1281
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:40,280
in the prior year and is based on an approximate 3% of revenue.

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02:17:42,090 --> 02:17:47,600
Other highlights from the audit service plan that may be different from past years are

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02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:51,120
on page 9 of 38 where we talk about other matters.

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02:17:51,740 --> 02:17:57,380
Just the impact that COVID-19 might have on completion of the audit, we're anticipating

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02:17:57,380 --> 02:18:06,780
being able to complete it on time this year. COVID-19 is no longer new, it's not an emerging issue

1286
02:18:08,020 --> 02:18:16,800
and we've come a long way in terms of processes and being able to complete the engagement virtually.

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02:18:17,900 --> 02:18:26,280
There is indications in there some different guidance that we've received on areas to watch for

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02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:32,260
that could have changes in them as a result of COVID-19.

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02:18:32,820 --> 02:18:37,300
So it will definitely have an impact on the procedures that we do

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02:18:37,300 --> 02:18:40,040
in our audits and to cover things off.

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02:18:41,160 --> 02:18:45,160
Moving backwards, just for a minute, that's all of the highlights

1292
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:46,340
that I wanted to go over.

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02:18:46,420 --> 02:18:50,140
You do have all of the information there and welcome any questions

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02:18:50,140 --> 02:18:50,940
that you might have.

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02:18:50,940 --> 02:19:20,920
But on page 4 of 38 and in the attachment A of F1, there's the topics for discussion and I really do appreciate the chance before we do our audit procedures to, you know, have a discussion with council about any specific needs they have or any of the other items that are mentioned in the topics for discussion, including any concerns you might have about fraud, although I would say that you might want to move into a court.

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02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:29,020
meeting before you discuss anything of that order or just contact me directly so that

1297
02:19:29,020 --> 02:19:37,040
we can address any issues appropriately. So at this time I'd like to ask if there are

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02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:43,800
any specific needs or questions that council would like to let me know about as an auditor

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before we get started.

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02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:56,200
Thank you, and before that, I will ask if there is any desire to move in camera and

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02:19:59,780 --> 02:20:00,440
I see none.

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02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:06,660
So we will proceed with the topics for discussion.

1303
02:20:08,120 --> 02:20:12,080
Do we have anybody who would like to raise any topics for discussion or concerns?

1304
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:13,960
Councillor Hanson.

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02:20:15,580 --> 02:20:22,480
So Hanson Division III, I guess falling under business plans and strategies, but in the

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02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:26,260
past I don't think I really ever asked this question, so it's not clear in my mind, but

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02:20:26,260 --> 02:20:35,500
when you are auditing for us, are we checking into budget buckets and whether expenses are

1308
02:20:35,500 --> 02:20:37,280
landing in appropriate buckets or not?

1309
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:44,840
is that part of the oversight or I know 3.5 million in terms of materiality is a is a very large

1310
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:49,420
number for that but it's only assurance that the reporting we're getting from administration

1311
02:20:49,420 --> 02:20:56,220
in terms of how the budget's aligning whether that actually reflects reality. Is that provided for

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02:20:56,220 --> 02:20:56,820
in the audit?

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02:21:00,010 --> 02:21:07,210
To the review if I may answer Councillor Hanson. Yes, we don't do a lot of information,

1314
02:21:07,210 --> 02:21:10,610
for me, a lot of work on how the budget was derived,

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02:21:10,890 --> 02:21:14,390
but certainly we do make sure that the budget that's presented

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02:21:14,390 --> 02:21:16,590
in the final year end financial statements

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02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:22,070
is properly shown in represents what was approved by Council.

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02:21:22,990 --> 02:21:27,970
And then the accounts that would make up

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02:21:28,730 --> 02:21:32,390
where different items get slotted into, as you say,

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02:21:32,830 --> 02:21:35,670
we do compare that to what accounts are actually

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02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:42,430
reflected in those line items on the financial statements. So on a global basis the answer is yes.

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02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:50,990
Okay, so you're still spot checking x percent of transactions or something like that, standard

1323
02:21:50,990 --> 02:21:53,730
auditing techniques for that, right?

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02:21:56,960 --> 02:22:00,460
Through the Reven answer to Councillor Hansen's question,

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02:22:00,460 --> 02:22:18,020
And absolutely, we do a testing approach where using materiality and risk factors, we calculate sample sizes and then calculate random samples in order to cover off the risks in each financial statement area.

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02:22:18,700 --> 02:22:25,520
Okay, and my last question was you picked my interest around the COVID, the impact of COVID,

1327
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:30,640
and you mentioned something. I forget your exact words, but as you're looking specifically

1328
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:35,880
for the impact of COVID on our organization, I think is what I heard, but maybe just clarify that

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02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:36,720
a little bit for me.

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02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:45,910
Through the read to Councillor Hanson, with COVID, there are additional disclosures

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that are expected in financial statements.

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02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:51,290
And there's been guidance given to us

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by public sector accounting standards bodies

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02:22:56,270 --> 02:23:00,410
on impacts on public sector accounting.

1335
02:23:00,750 --> 02:23:05,010
For example, specific issues that we might be looking for,

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02:23:05,210 --> 02:23:08,190
or which I don't think will impact you,

1337
02:23:08,290 --> 02:23:13,110
but when a municipality has an arena that they had to shut down

1338
02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:15,810
for several months during COVID due to public health

1339
02:23:15,810 --> 02:23:22,670
measures that was not in use and the amortization may need to be modified to reflect that the

1340
02:23:22,670 --> 02:23:28,950
asset wasn't in use. So that would fall under estimates and whether there's any considerations

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02:23:29,390 --> 02:23:35,750
on your estimates. There's a number of other ones listed on page 9 of 38 in the package,

1342
02:23:36,090 --> 02:23:42,070
including valuation of receivables in the impairment of assets assets that are no longer going

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02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:51,010
to be used as a result of change in plans due to COVID, the control environment, so that's

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02:23:51,010 --> 02:23:57,350
one of the key areas that we need to be cognizant of, you know, there is a very real change

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02:23:57,350 --> 02:24:06,790
during 2020 where staff went from working almost fully, you know, at the county to a combination

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02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:13,330
of virtual and in-person functions so understanding the impact that had on your control systems

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02:24:13,330 --> 02:24:16,430
is very important to us.

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So a number of different considerations.

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I appreciate that.

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02:24:20,590 --> 02:24:21,290
Thank you very much.

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02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:24,560
Thank you.

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02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:26,400
Do we have any other questions from us all over?

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02:24:33,390 --> 02:24:34,310
Thank you very much.

1354
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:41,000
Do you have another question from Councillor Hanson?

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02:24:42,400 --> 02:24:43,600
There's no more questions.

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I'll go ahead and make motion for option one.

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that 2020 year-end audit service plan be received as information.

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02:24:50,900 --> 02:24:51,260
Thank

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02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:58,700
you very much. Do we have any debate or discussion regarding the motion?

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02:25:01,870 --> 02:25:04,870
I see none. So I'll call a question.

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02:25:06,230 --> 02:25:08,590
In favor or oppose Councillor Comache?

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02:25:11,220 --> 02:25:11,720
In favor.

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02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:13,760
Deputy Reeve McCarter.

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02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:15,800
In favor.

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02:25:16,460 --> 02:25:17,440
Councillor Hanson.

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02:25:18,180 --> 02:25:18,740
In favor.

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02:25:22,700 --> 02:25:23,360
In favor.

1368
02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:24,600
Councillor Belkey.

1369
02:25:25,140 --> 02:25:25,500
In favour?

1370
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:28,160
Councillor Wright?

1371
02:25:29,080 --> 02:25:29,660
In favour?

1372
02:25:30,440 --> 02:25:31,320
Councillor Kessel.

1373
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:32,820
In favour?

1374
02:25:35,260 --> 02:25:35,940
In favour?

1375
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:36,940
In the motion carries.

1376
02:25:37,940 --> 02:25:39,880
Thank you very much for your time and a great presentation.

1377
02:25:42,210 --> 02:25:42,650
Thank you.

1378
02:26:05,180 --> 02:26:09,180
So I'd like to go to item G1 just because we have half an hour.

1379
02:26:09,180 --> 02:26:16,360
We just need to make sure that our representative from administration is available.

1380
02:26:22,260 --> 02:26:23,120
Yes, I'm available.

1381
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:23,160
No.

1382
02:26:23,880 --> 02:26:24,840
Very good.

1383
02:26:26,380 --> 02:26:26,620
Good.

1384
02:26:26,820 --> 02:26:29,560
We get administration's report on item G1.

1385
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:16,640
We can't hear you, Ms. Deng.

1386
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:19,500
Oh, sorry about that.

1387
02:27:19,860 --> 02:27:20,000
Okay.

1388
02:27:20,420 --> 02:27:21,120
No, I can hear you.

1389
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:21,700
Let's just start.

1390
02:27:22,020 --> 02:27:22,460
Yeah.

1391
02:27:22,600 --> 02:27:23,260
Let's just start again.

1392
02:27:24,300 --> 02:27:31,840
This item is by law item to the purpose about this one is to resend the previously given

1393
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:32,560
second reading.

1394
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:40,300
The land is located about a half mile south of a highway 567 and on the west side of

1395
02:27:40,300 --> 02:27:41,620
a big hill spring road.

1396
02:27:42,730 --> 02:27:49,020
The original proposal is to read as the portion of the land from the ranch and farm to residential

1397
02:27:49,020 --> 02:27:55,760
2D trade, interversal decretion of five acres in the south, leaving this 50 acre remainder.

1398
02:27:56,780 --> 02:28:05,320
So, as the slope of this 30% or greater existing on the entire law one, it's not sure whether

1399
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:08,200
law one has sufficient available area.

1400
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:16,060
So, on July 21st, last year, council table the third reading pending more technical study.

1401
02:28:17,320 --> 02:28:24,600
So, after that meeting, the applicant provided the technical studies and the new public hearing

1402
02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:28,400
will be held in order to accept this new information from the study.

1403
02:28:29,340 --> 02:28:34,340
However, a section 230 of the Municipal Government Act

1404
02:28:34,340 --> 02:28:37,820
required that the public hearings to be held

1405
02:28:37,820 --> 02:28:42,940
prior to second reading of the dialogue. So therefore, the primary second reading

1406
02:28:42,940 --> 02:28:47,680
that's given in July 21st need to be rescinded

1407
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:50,980
in order to allow a new public hearing to offer.

1408
02:28:50,980 --> 02:28:55,640
And the new public hearing is scheduled on March 23rd.

1409
02:28:56,680 --> 02:29:06,620
So we recommend option one that the second reading to file all C-799-2019 be resented.

1410
02:29:07,320 --> 02:29:11,000
So that's the purpose for this presentation.

1411
02:29:11,540 --> 02:29:12,680
Thank you.

1412
02:29:13,540 --> 02:29:14,280
Thank you.

1413
02:29:14,540 --> 02:29:17,740
Do we have any questions for Ms. Deng, Councillor Kessel?

1414
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:26,400
Actually, I'll let questions go forward first and then I'll bring forward a motion.

1415
02:29:27,460 --> 02:29:27,760
Very good.

1416
02:29:27,940 --> 02:29:28,540
Councillor Hansen.

1417
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:33,420
Councillor Hansen, division three, through the chair.

1418
02:29:33,900 --> 02:29:38,140
Just curious, I know the MGA says that you have to have a public hearing before the second

1419
02:29:38,140 --> 02:29:38,580
reading.

1420
02:29:39,300 --> 02:29:45,340
Is there anything that says that you can't have more than one public hearing, and just have another public hearing prior to third?

1421
02:29:46,340 --> 02:29:50,020
Is it just a point of clarification?

1422
02:29:50,380 --> 02:29:59,980
I guess that we consider that you could have more than one public hearing because in effect I think it opens up anything that was discussed at the first hearing over again.

1423
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,380
And what is that? I will go to Mr. Andres and for that answer. Through the chair to Councillor

1424
02:30:08,380 --> 02:30:13,480
Hanson, I guess, to Council as a whole. So that Section 231 of the MGA does sort of

1425
02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:17,860
contemplate holding a single public hearing. But there's nothing really in the act that talks

1426
02:30:17,860 --> 02:30:22,920
about holding multiple public hearings. So on the side of caution, we would recommend that

1427
02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:26,920
just to make sure we're on side. And there's no questions about it that we do rescind that

1428
02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:29,080
Second reading before we hold the additional public hearing.

1429
02:30:31,820 --> 02:30:33,200
All right, appreciate the education.

1430
02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:34,040
Thank you.

1431
02:30:34,040 --> 02:30:34,320
One

1432
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:39,930
more questions for Ms. Deng with

1433
02:30:42,900 --> 02:30:43,800
two Councillor Kessel.

1434
02:30:46,940 --> 02:30:47,460
Thank you.

1435
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:49,580
I'd like to move that option number one,

1436
02:30:49,580 --> 02:30:58,480
that second reading to by law, C7989-2019 be rescinded.

1437
02:31:00,950 --> 02:31:01,350
Thank you.

1438
02:31:04,420 --> 02:31:06,940
Do we have any conversation or debate on the motion?

1439
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:11,780
Seeing none, I call the question Councillor Kamaci.

1440
02:31:16,190 --> 02:31:16,710
in favor.

1441
02:31:17,570 --> 02:31:18,430
In favor.

1442
02:31:26,180 --> 02:31:26,900
In favor.

1443
02:31:29,340 --> 02:31:29,660
In favor.

1444
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:30,700
In favor.

1445
02:31:30,700 --> 02:31:30,740
In favor.

1446
02:31:30,740 --> 02:31:31,060
House, the right.

1447
02:31:34,300 --> 02:31:34,960
In favor.

1448
02:31:36,100 --> 02:31:36,960
House, the right.

1449
02:31:37,140 --> 02:31:37,260
In favor.

1450
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:38,760
In favor.

1451
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:40,940
We've handed in favor.

1452
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:42,260
And the motion carries.

1453
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:54,540
Through the, through the chair to council.

1454
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:55,320
So I believe.

1455
02:31:55,660 --> 02:31:59,240
I believe G2 and G3 can be omnibus.

1456
02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:01,700
Yes, unless there's any questions we want to separate us.

1457
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:15,980
Deputy Chief Makatter.

1458
02:32:16,860 --> 02:32:17,720
Yeah, no questions.

1459
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:20,540
I could just make that omnibus motion if I could get it on the screen.

1460
02:32:21,240 --> 02:32:22,000
Thank you.

1461
02:32:33,930 --> 02:32:34,630
Thank you.

1462
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:43,690
I'd like to move that the following by-laws receive first reading, by-law C-8114-2020 and

1463
02:32:43,690 --> 02:32:46,930
by-law C-8116-2020.

1464
02:32:46,930 --> 02:32:49,980
Thank you.

1465
02:32:56,980 --> 02:32:58,400
A question, Councillor Camacho.

1466
02:32:59,960 --> 02:33:01,020
In favor?

1467
02:33:03,210 --> 02:33:04,530
Sorry, Deputy McIlar.

1468
02:33:05,510 --> 02:33:06,090
In favor.

1469
02:33:08,280 --> 02:33:08,860
Councillor Hansen.

1470
02:33:09,660 --> 02:33:10,180
In favor?

1471
02:33:12,360 --> 02:33:12,960
Councillor Guttro.

1472
02:33:14,220 --> 02:33:15,220
In favor.

1473
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:17,660
In favor?

1474
02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:18,800
In favor?

1475
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:19,280
In favor?

1476
02:33:19,380 --> 02:33:19,640
Councillor Wright.

1477
02:33:20,920 --> 02:33:21,440
Opposed?

1478
02:33:22,480 --> 02:33:23,440
Councillor Kessel.

1479
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:24,980
In favor?

1480
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:25,900
In favor?

1481
02:33:25,900 --> 02:33:26,080
Councillor Wright.

1482
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:28,100
Repen is in favor, motion carries.

1483
02:33:28,100 --> 02:33:28,720
I

1484
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:41,190
think we will recess now until 1 o'clock, unless we have anything else we could do.

1485
02:33:41,370 --> 02:33:46,790
I think we're down to public hearings, and then in cameras after public hearings, so

1486
02:33:46,790 --> 02:33:48,270
we'll recess till 1 o'clock.

1487
02:33:49,350 --> 02:33:50,030
Thank you.

1488
02:33:50,430 --> 02:33:50,690
Wait.

1489
02:33:51,110 --> 02:33:51,910
It's Councilor Wright.

1490
02:33:52,050 --> 02:33:54,210
Can we not do 1 o'clock in cameras at least?

1491
02:33:54,910 --> 02:34:00,570
It's got 25 minutes or more, while we're in the go-over bit, so we have to, I guess you guys

1492
02:34:00,570 --> 02:34:01,350
have to go for lunch.

1493
02:34:01,350 --> 02:34:03,830
but if you could use 25 minutes for at least one of them.

1494
02:34:05,110 --> 02:34:08,930
It is easier on folks around here to log in just once,

1495
02:34:09,210 --> 02:34:10,590
but I will, you know what?

1496
02:34:10,730 --> 02:34:14,310
I will ask council if they want to come in and out

1497
02:34:14,310 --> 02:34:16,770
because, again, involving motions to come in and out

1498
02:34:16,770 --> 02:34:18,050
and things like that.

1499
02:34:18,530 --> 02:34:21,990
So would council like to proceed?

1500
02:34:22,390 --> 02:34:26,110
Or would you like to break for an hour and a half?

1501
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:27,570
A deputy of MacKyler.

1502
02:34:28,670 --> 02:34:29,310
Thank you.

1503
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:31,030
Through the chair.

1504
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:34,430
I'm all for just breaking now.

1505
02:34:34,570 --> 02:34:36,210
I think we've worked the staff well.

1506
02:34:36,390 --> 02:34:39,750
We've given them shorter lunch breaks for the past several council meetings.

1507
02:34:39,970 --> 02:34:42,450
So we'll give them because you guys do have to eat.

1508
02:34:42,590 --> 02:34:45,470
And I would just say that we should do them all at one time.

1509
02:34:47,710 --> 02:34:48,290
Councillor Belkey.

1510
02:34:48,850 --> 02:34:49,130
Thank you.

1511
02:34:49,350 --> 02:34:50,270
I'll go the other way.

1512
02:34:50,490 --> 02:34:51,150
I think we're here.

1513
02:34:51,250 --> 02:34:52,030
We've got half an hour.

1514
02:34:52,170 --> 02:34:55,070
We should probably keep working.

1515
02:34:58,380 --> 02:34:59,500
Maybe less questions.

1516
02:34:59,500 --> 02:35:03,420
and we'd get right through it and get back here.

1517
02:35:04,240 --> 02:35:07,740
I see Ms. Deng is on the got her hand up.

1518
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:10,540
Yeah, thank you chair.

1519
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:16,240
Since the revised the bylaw and the schedule for E1 item

1520
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:20,620
are ready, can we bring in the back to council for consideration?

1521
02:35:21,340 --> 02:35:23,920
I know the motion was a table that I should have to know.

1522
02:35:24,300 --> 02:35:27,500
Since the document is ready, if you are available

1523
02:35:27,500 --> 02:35:29,860
We're all ready to consider that.

1524
02:35:29,960 --> 02:35:32,880
Maybe we can do this quick one before the lunch.

1525
02:35:33,980 --> 02:35:35,220
That is an excellent idea.

1526
02:35:35,700 --> 02:35:36,100
Thank you.

1527
02:35:36,820 --> 02:35:39,780
We will go to item E1.

1528
02:35:43,860 --> 02:35:46,460
Through the chair, we do need a motion

1529
02:35:46,460 --> 02:35:48,040
to lift this one from the table.

1530
02:35:48,460 --> 02:35:50,460
If a counselor does want to make that motion.

1531
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:52,320
Very good, Councillor Kessel.

1532
02:35:54,470 --> 02:35:55,490
I shall have a question.

1533
02:35:55,730 --> 02:35:58,730
We have told the applicant that we will be hearing this

1534
02:35:58,730 --> 02:36:01,110
in the afternoon while it make a difference for him

1535
02:36:01,110 --> 02:36:02,570
to not be here at this time?

1536
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:06,380
Dr. Andreessen. Through the chair.

1537
02:36:06,660 --> 02:36:10,440
So the applicant would have the right to present at the public hearing, but given that

1538
02:36:10,440 --> 02:36:13,840
the public hearing is closed, this business is

1539
02:36:14,300 --> 02:36:16,420
council now at this point with the by-law.

1540
02:36:18,580 --> 02:36:22,940
Excellent. I'd like to move to lift E1 from the table, please.

1541
02:36:24,580 --> 02:36:25,060
Thank you.

1542
02:36:26,320 --> 02:36:29,340
By exception, then you want to pose to lifting from the table,

1543
02:36:31,300 --> 02:36:35,220
being done, that motion is carried, this is ding.

1544
02:36:39,580 --> 02:36:47,380
As for the chair, I send and revise the document to Tyler, maybe you can Tyler can bring that on the screen for you review.

1545
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:50,680
Through the chair, give us a moment to bring that up.

1546
02:36:51,700 --> 02:36:55,060
We weren't prepared to go yet, but give this one second to bring that up.

1547
02:37:13,820 --> 02:37:16,600
Through the chair, we could also screen chair over to Miss Deng to,

1548
02:37:16,880 --> 02:37:18,960
if you have it on your computer, to bring it up.

1549
02:37:26,580 --> 02:37:28,600
Let me bring it on the screen.

1550
02:38:13,400 --> 02:38:16,240
The highlight part is the revised part.

1551
02:38:16,540 --> 02:38:20,020
We include a portion of the original road allowance,

1552
02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:24,360
adjacent to the South West section 21,

1553
02:38:24,780 --> 02:38:25,720
Township 26,

1554
02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:28,640
Render 3, West at the 5th Meridian.

1555
02:38:29,320 --> 02:38:32,580
Containing this partial size has been reduced

1556
02:38:33,020 --> 02:38:38,340
because the length of the road allowance has been reduced.

1557
02:38:38,340 --> 02:38:45,840
So the parcel size is reduced to 1.33 hectares, equal to 3.4 acres.

1558
02:38:47,320 --> 02:38:49,380
So that's the major change for the bylaw.

1559
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:07,140
That's the bylaw. I'm trying to open the schedule A.

1560
02:39:22,380 --> 02:39:27,860
So this is revised the schedule A to reflect what is showing on the bylaw.

1561
02:39:28,180 --> 02:39:30,200
It's a highlight this portion.

1562
02:39:31,440 --> 02:39:37,500
So basically, this is a wording, it's exactly same as a certain in the by-law, and there

1563
02:39:37,500 --> 02:39:44,720
was a, we add this in measurement to show you this is about 120 as requested by a council

1564
02:39:44,720 --> 02:39:46,300
or a piece of council piece.

1565
02:39:51,650 --> 02:39:52,750
Any questions

1566
02:39:55,720 --> 02:39:56,300
for Kisal?

1567
02:39:57,200 --> 02:40:01,080
If we have no questions, I'd like to put the motions on the board, please.

1568
02:40:01,700 --> 02:40:01,960
Okay.

1569
02:40:02,120 --> 02:40:03,940
I saw a council for Hanson with his hand up.

1570
02:40:04,460 --> 02:40:05,420
Do you still have a question, sir?

1571
02:40:07,240 --> 02:40:09,520
Thank you, Reeve. I do not. I had it. She knows.

1572
02:40:10,680 --> 02:40:14,940
Okay. Very good. Councillor Kessel.

1573
02:40:16,440 --> 02:40:20,160
If we could put the motions on the board, please.

1574
02:40:20,680 --> 02:40:23,980
Through the chair, if I could just request a couple of minutes to prepare those motions,

1575
02:40:24,400 --> 02:40:27,440
and we'll have them in a couple minutes, but we do have to prepare those quick.

1576
02:40:29,220 --> 02:40:31,000
Thank you. For a couple of minutes.

1577
02:42:57,720 --> 02:43:08,100
I'd like to move the E1 option one that by-law C 8097-2020 be amended in accordance with

1578
02:43:08,100 --> 02:43:15,580
the revised version distributed at the February 9th 2021 council meeting.

1579
02:43:17,460 --> 02:43:18,080
Thank you.

1580
02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:27,820
I'm going to support this simply because I don't want to see it fail but I really think

1581
02:43:27,820 --> 02:43:33,100
I think we got into this too deep, the applicant did ask for it to stay down by the road, that was his preference.

1582
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:47,620
When you look at that map, I don't see what we gained by going up to the end of the oil well lease when there is access at the south end, but I'm going to support it simply because I don't want to drag this into a three day hearing.

1583
02:43:47,620 --> 02:43:55,360
Thank you. Any further debate being done. I will call the question.

1584
02:43:56,920 --> 02:43:59,140
Councillor McKay or Councillor Kamachi.

1585
02:44:01,450 --> 02:44:03,550
In favor. Deputy Regent McKaylor.

1586
02:44:04,410 --> 02:44:05,130
In favor.

1587
02:44:06,370 --> 02:44:07,270
Councillor Hansen.

1588
02:44:08,190 --> 02:44:08,650
In favor.

1589
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:10,810
Councillor Guttro.

1590
02:44:12,780 --> 02:44:13,320
Opposed?

1591
02:44:16,110 --> 02:44:16,750
Councillor Belkey.

1592
02:44:18,140 --> 02:44:18,810
In favor.

1593
02:44:21,350 --> 02:44:30,060
I would like to

1594
02:44:37,770 --> 02:44:48,870
move the by-law C80972020 be given first reading as amended.

1595
02:44:58,400 --> 02:44:59,540
Thank you.

1596
02:45:00,620 --> 02:45:01,340
In favor?

1597
02:45:03,540 --> 02:45:04,860
In favor?

1598
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:09,060
In favor?

1599
02:45:14,830 --> 02:45:15,930
In favor?

1600
02:45:20,340 --> 02:45:33,620
In favor? In favor? In favor? In favor? In favor?

1601
02:45:43,260 --> 02:45:48,400
020 be followed to the minister of transportation as amended.

1602
02:45:50,810 --> 02:45:52,370
Thank you. Do we have any debate?

1603
02:45:54,270 --> 02:45:56,710
Any none? I'll call the question. Councillor Kamachi.

1604
02:45:58,010 --> 02:45:59,170
In favor.

1605
02:45:59,990 --> 02:46:00,870
Deputy Chief McCudder.

1606
02:46:01,610 --> 02:46:02,550
In favor.

1607
02:46:03,050 --> 02:46:03,730
Councillor Hanson.

1608
02:46:04,430 --> 02:46:05,050
In favor.

1609
02:46:05,650 --> 02:46:06,430
Councillor Gocho.

1610
02:46:08,360 --> 02:46:08,780
Post.

1611
02:46:11,690 --> 02:46:12,430
In favor.

1612
02:46:14,470 --> 02:46:14,890
Councillor Wright.

1613
02:46:16,130 --> 02:46:16,550
In favor.

1614
02:46:16,930 --> 02:46:17,590
Councillor Kessel.

1615
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:19,310
In favor.

1616
02:46:19,310 --> 02:46:21,630
My hand is in favor of motion carries.

1617
02:46:22,390 --> 02:46:23,150
Thank you.

1618
02:46:24,230 --> 02:46:25,750
Now I'm going to recess for sure.

1619
02:46:26,550 --> 02:46:27,530
See you all at one o'clock.

1620
02:46:30,310 --> 02:46:30,770
Good choice.

1621
04:01:14,540 --> 04:01:15,460
All right, e-mail submission

1622
04:01:26,920 --> 04:01:57,020
process that will be followed with this public hearing. After opening the public hearing, we will begin with a presentation from administration followed by questions. Administration from the applicant will provide a presentation followed by questions of the applicant play any prerecorded audio or video presentations in support of the application followed by any prerecorded audio or video presentations in opposition of the application.

1623
04:01:57,020 --> 04:02:03,840
I will then call for any final e-mail submissions and allow five minutes for the public to submit

1624
04:02:03,840 --> 04:02:04,960
any last minutes.

1625
04:02:05,820 --> 04:02:14,000
Any last e-mail submissions to public hearings at rockivie.ca, both in support or in opposition

1626
04:02:14,780 --> 04:02:17,320
before declaring e-mail submissions closed.

1627
04:02:18,440 --> 04:02:23,860
If e-mail submissions were received, they will be provided to Council and the applicant

1628
04:02:23,860 --> 04:02:29,140
by email as well as upload it to www.rockivu.ca

1629
04:02:30,480 --> 04:02:37,520
flash meetings dash hearings for the public.

1630
04:02:37,980 --> 04:02:40,040
Once the email submissions have been distributed,

1631
04:02:40,440 --> 04:02:43,900
we will take a recess to read and consider those submissions

1632
04:02:43,900 --> 04:02:46,320
before returning and continuing with public hearing.

1633
04:02:46,760 --> 04:02:49,740
If no email submissions are received from the public,

1634
04:02:50,060 --> 04:02:52,280
we will continue with the public hearing,

1635
04:02:52,280 --> 04:02:59,880
which will conclude with the applicant's rebuttal period and any final questions of administration.

1636
04:03:02,150 --> 04:03:06,650
May I have a motion for E4 please, Councillor Belkey.

1637
04:03:07,430 --> 04:03:09,030
Move to open the hearing please.

1638
04:03:10,310 --> 04:03:13,770
Motion to open the public hearing by exception to have any opposition.

1639
04:03:15,920 --> 04:03:20,100
Being none of motions carried, you get administrations report please.

1640
04:03:23,710 --> 04:03:27,850
Good afternoon, Reven Townsall looks on the Newman representing planning and development

1641
04:03:27,850 --> 04:03:35,450
services, the item before you is PL 2020-006-9, a re-designation application from Agricultural

1642
04:03:35,450 --> 04:03:38,950
General District to Industrial Heavy and rural residential districts.

1643
04:03:48,310 --> 04:03:53,470
The parcel is located on the north side of Township Road 290 adjacent to the town of Crossfield

1644
04:03:53,990 --> 04:03:58,710
and the west side of Highway 2A, parcels in the area consists of primarily large parcel

1645
04:03:58,710 --> 04:04:03,630
agricultural operation, with the direct control district to the east and proposed residential

1646
04:04:03,630 --> 04:04:05,370
to the south in the town of Crossfield.

1647
04:04:08,040 --> 04:04:10,180
The area limit shows only a well site on the

1648
04:04:10,180 --> 04:04:11,620
parcel with no other development,

1649
04:04:14,750 --> 04:04:17,450
and this image shows the proposed redesignation areas,

1650
04:04:18,050 --> 04:04:25,190
the purple to 10.43 acres of industrial heavy, and the yellow to 6.64 acres of rural residential.

1651
04:04:25,830 --> 04:04:30,410
The first parcel out is located in between these areas and a previous additional residential

1652
04:04:30,410 --> 04:04:33,690
parcel to the west of the proposed industrial parcel.

1653
04:04:36,630 --> 04:04:41,210
In terms of policy evaluation, the Rocky View Crossfield Interminisple Development Plan,

1654
04:04:41,490 --> 04:04:43,470
County Plan, and Land Use By-law were considered.

1655
04:04:44,430 --> 04:04:48,530
The application was referred to the town of Crossfield, who noted that the industrial portion

1656
04:04:48,530 --> 04:04:52,870
would be directly adjacent to feature residential development along the Crossfield Rocky View

1657
04:04:52,870 --> 04:04:57,750
Northern boundary line, and as such, screening measures should be considered in order to minimize

1658
04:04:57,750 --> 04:04:58,170
impact.

1659
04:04:58,950 --> 04:05:03,170
For the land use bylaw, the proposed parcel sizes are in keeping with the respective district.

1660
04:05:06,150 --> 04:05:10,930
In regards to the county plan, county plan mapped one detailed areas identified for residential

1661
04:05:10,930 --> 04:05:15,490
and business development, and the subject lands are not identified in an area for either

1662
04:05:15,490 --> 04:05:18,630
purpose, though it is near a highway business area.

1663
04:05:19,430 --> 04:05:23,010
The applicants are seeking to create a third residential site on this quarter section,

1664
04:05:23,010 --> 04:05:30,190
Policy 5.11 in Section 5, managing residential growth, supports first parcel at residential

1665
04:05:30,190 --> 04:05:35,230
subdivision, which the applicant accomplished in 1990, a second residential parcel was

1666
04:05:35,230 --> 04:05:40,250
created in 2009. The applicant stated that they have a buyer interested in the land for

1667
04:05:40,250 --> 04:05:45,190
residential use, and have not provided any supporting documentation regarding this action

1668
04:05:45,190 --> 04:05:50,490
being supported by the county plan. Section 5 notes that the majority of residential

1669
04:05:50,490 --> 04:05:57,670
growth areas as identified on map 1. Section 8 pertaining to agriculture supports agriculture

1670
04:05:57,670 --> 04:06:03,090
operators within minimum with minimum adverse impacts from non-agricultural land use and

1671
04:06:03,730 --> 04:06:09,250
section 10 supports residential development and fragmented quarter sections. The proposed

1672
04:06:09,250 --> 04:06:14,850
application is therefore inconsistent with these sections of the county plan. Regarding the proposed

1673
04:06:14,850 --> 04:06:19,930
industrial redesignation the applicants are also seeking to create an additional heavy industrial

1674
04:06:19,930 --> 04:06:24,790
partial as they have been approached by a buyer seeking to develop an aggregate and construction

1675
04:06:24,790 --> 04:06:30,270
storage yard. No further details regarding the size and scope of the operation were provided.

1676
04:06:31,230 --> 04:06:35,630
Section 14 of the county plan directs the majority of new commercial and industrial businesses

1677
04:06:35,630 --> 04:06:43,160
to locate in business areas as identified and not one. Failing this, a rationale as to why the

1678
04:06:43,160 --> 04:06:49,640
development cannot be located in the business area. No such justification has been identified. Finally,

1679
04:06:49,640 --> 04:07:03,180
In fact, improperly cited and designed industrial storage facilities may adversely impact land values and agricultural operations, potentially creating traffic problems in an area by increasing traffic volume and summary.

1680
04:07:03,760 --> 04:07:07,420
The application is not consistent with several sections of the county plan.

1681
04:07:10,390 --> 04:07:12,990
In terms of land owner circulation, no comments were received.

1682
04:07:14,590 --> 04:07:19,110
Based on administration's evaluation of the proposal, it's recommended council refuse

1683
04:07:19,110 --> 04:07:21,190
the application and accordance with option 4.

1684
04:07:21,630 --> 04:07:22,750
This includes my presentation.

1685
04:07:24,800 --> 04:07:25,340
Thank you.

1686
04:07:25,680 --> 04:07:28,880
Do we have questions for administration?

1687
04:07:30,340 --> 04:07:31,000
That was for Belky.

1688
04:07:31,580 --> 04:07:31,880
Thank you.

1689
04:07:32,300 --> 04:07:41,340
Through the chair, is there an area structure plan in this area that is part of the county's

1690
04:07:41,340 --> 04:07:42,420
area structure plan?

1691
04:07:44,120 --> 04:07:46,940
Through the chair, the county does not have an ASP in this area.

1692
04:07:47,720 --> 04:07:47,900
Sorry?

1693
04:07:48,520 --> 04:07:48,940
No.

1694
04:07:49,080 --> 04:07:51,360
There is no county ASP in this area.

1695
04:07:52,400 --> 04:07:54,060
None whatsoever in this area.

1696
04:07:57,070 --> 04:07:59,290
I'm in a hearing, so I have to ask the question.

1697
04:07:59,290 --> 04:07:59,510
Sure.

1698
04:07:59,730 --> 04:07:59,850
No.

1699
04:08:00,010 --> 04:08:01,450
There is no ASP in this area.

1700
04:08:04,220 --> 04:08:06,840
So in the vicinity, then, is there one?

1701
04:08:08,600 --> 04:08:09,340
The nearest?

1702
04:08:09,980 --> 04:08:13,180
I'm trying to think what the nearest area is, Mr. Plants, just to see.

1703
04:08:13,180 --> 04:08:16,920
Would there be such a thing as a joint area in the area?

1704
04:08:18,580 --> 04:08:26,120
Through the chair to Councillor Belkey to my knowledge there is no area structure plan for these lands or within the immediate area

1705
04:08:26,840 --> 04:08:29,540
On the other side of the municipal boundary perhaps

1706
04:08:30,860 --> 04:08:36,580
Crossfields has an air search plan. We have to double check theirs, but they wouldn't be applicable to these lands

1707
04:08:36,580 --> 04:08:43,020
Sorry, I can't hear you. Sorry. There is no area structure plan for the county within on these lands or within this vicinity

1708
04:08:43,180 --> 04:08:52,540
There may perhaps be one within Crossfield, but that would still one apply within our county boundaries if council want a joint area structure plan

1709
04:08:52,540 --> 04:08:57,800
That is something that so you're not aware of an area structure plan to the southeast of this property

1710
04:09:04,490 --> 04:09:10,570
If I may if I may it's good in the germ behalf of planning and development services to the chair to council bill

1711
04:09:10,570 --> 04:09:12,090
Okay, I believe you're referring to the

1712
04:09:12,090 --> 04:09:17,610
Tana cross-load of you county joined area structure plan along how you to is that the one that you're speaking about?

1713
04:09:19,090 --> 04:09:22,270
That is an area structure plan in the vicinity, is it not?

1714
04:09:23,230 --> 04:09:28,810
Correct, yeah. So the closest area structure plan active in the area would be the one would be that one.

1715
04:09:28,910 --> 04:09:32,670
That's a joint DSP by the town and Rock and U County.

1716
04:09:33,450 --> 04:09:39,630
So does that area structure plan contemplate any commercial industrial development?

1717
04:09:44,930 --> 04:09:51,790
I can look further as to the details on the land use identified, I believe it is a non-residential ASP.

1718
04:09:56,100 --> 04:10:02,660
The second question I have is right to the west on the west side of the railway tracks there.

1719
04:10:03,320 --> 04:10:05,600
What is the designation of that property?

1720
04:10:09,520 --> 04:10:12,700
Through the chair, do you mean the smaller residential portion, the triangular piece?

1721
04:10:13,040 --> 04:10:14,380
Yes, I believe it's to the west.

1722
04:10:16,540 --> 04:10:17,840
That is a rural resident.

1723
04:10:18,920 --> 04:10:19,240
Thank you.

1724
04:10:21,270 --> 04:10:21,850
Thank you.

1725
04:10:22,070 --> 04:10:23,110
I have Councillor Wright.

1726
04:10:25,610 --> 04:10:26,110
Thank you.

1727
04:10:26,430 --> 04:10:27,390
Councillor Wright.

1728
04:10:27,590 --> 04:10:32,890
I did the comments from the town of Crossfield that says the town of Crossfield provided

1729
04:10:32,890 --> 04:10:36,370
contact information for adjacent owners and the developer who was circulated.

1730
04:10:36,870 --> 04:10:39,230
Did we hear anything back from any of those people?

1731
04:10:40,170 --> 04:10:43,390
Through the chair, we did circulate those parties, but we did not get any responses.

1732
04:10:44,250 --> 04:10:44,910
Nothing at all.

1733
04:10:45,010 --> 04:10:45,330
Thank you.

1734
04:10:45,330 --> 04:10:46,090
I'm

1735
04:10:48,940 --> 04:10:55,660
looking for more hands or green lights being done.

1736
04:10:56,280 --> 04:10:57,300
Thank you very much, Ms. Newman.

1737
04:10:58,360 --> 04:11:02,260
We'll now have the applicant give their presentation

1738
04:11:02,260 --> 04:11:05,220
and you have 20 minutes.

1739
04:11:10,500 --> 04:11:11,020
Good afternoon.

1740
04:11:11,360 --> 04:11:12,500
My name is Graham Ireland.

1741
04:11:12,820 --> 04:11:15,060
I'm here with my mother-in-law Donna Hertz.

1742
04:11:15,180 --> 04:11:16,320
My father-in-law Ron Hertz.

1743
04:11:16,440 --> 04:11:21,160
He's just just got a medical call at the moment.

1744
04:11:21,340 --> 04:11:21,980
He'll be right back.

1745
04:11:22,620 --> 04:11:26,980
We just wanted to do address a few of the concerns raised by administration.

1746
04:11:27,820 --> 04:11:33,720
From our understanding, as I think was alluded to, there is a joint Rocketview County town

1747
04:11:33,720 --> 04:11:37,800
of Crossfield area plan for this area.

1748
04:11:38,260 --> 04:11:44,720
Our understanding is that this type of development is supported by that joint plan.

1749
04:11:46,660 --> 04:11:53,380
I mean, I'm just looking at the letter that we submitted to understanding the economic

1750
04:11:53,380 --> 04:11:59,500
developments of this kind of minor nature is supported in the area, to the extent that

1751
04:11:59,500 --> 04:12:05,420
there was any comments from surrounding landowners or the town, understanding is that there

1752
04:12:05,420 --> 04:12:06,900
was no negative comments.

1753
04:12:06,900 --> 04:12:09,160
Let's talk to them on the model.

1754
04:12:09,380 --> 04:12:13,640
There is a developer that owns the land directly

1755
04:12:13,640 --> 04:12:16,280
south of the proposed predesination.

1756
04:12:16,340 --> 04:12:17,200
I did speak with him.

1757
04:12:18,380 --> 04:12:22,300
They had just a few questions about the application

1758
04:12:22,300 --> 04:12:24,320
and the nature of it, but had no opposition.

1759
04:12:24,680 --> 04:12:27,100
We currently farmed that land from them.

1760
04:12:27,760 --> 04:12:29,780
So it's an ongoing relationship.

1761
04:12:33,980 --> 04:12:37,260
And you know, we received no opposition to the application.

1762
04:12:37,260 --> 04:12:39,940
So I think that speaks in favor of the application.

1763
04:12:40,620 --> 04:12:42,540
There are other developments in the area.

1764
04:12:42,940 --> 04:12:47,280
There is a large RV storage location directly east

1765
04:12:47,280 --> 04:12:48,980
of the proposed read designation.

1766
04:12:50,760 --> 04:12:51,980
The acreage in between.

1767
04:12:52,060 --> 04:12:52,180
Yeah.

1768
04:12:52,740 --> 04:12:54,540
There's a number of acreages in the area.

1769
04:12:55,280 --> 04:12:57,580
So our understanding is that this read designation

1770
04:12:57,580 --> 04:13:00,680
is in mind with existing lead uses in the area.

1771
04:13:03,080 --> 04:13:04,460
Do they have those in the area?

1772
04:13:05,920 --> 04:13:08,420
Was there any questions from Council?

1773
04:13:10,240 --> 04:13:15,260
I just also wanted to clarify that the letter that were submitted by Ron and Donna was

1774
04:13:15,260 --> 04:13:16,360
received by Council.

1775
04:13:16,380 --> 04:13:16,920
Is that correct?

1776
04:13:22,140 --> 04:13:24,040
I don't see any letters in our package.

1777
04:13:24,580 --> 04:13:29,600
Did we get a letter in our package from Mr. Orr and Orr?

1778
04:13:29,780 --> 04:13:30,940
Mrs. Hertz?

1779
04:13:31,360 --> 04:13:32,340
Yeah, it was sent.

1780
04:13:33,080 --> 04:13:37,760
It was submitted by a email on the 26th of January.

1781
04:13:39,300 --> 04:13:44,100
We did receive confirmation from county staff that it was received.

1782
04:13:46,540 --> 04:13:48,580
I do not see the letter in our package.

1783
04:13:51,230 --> 04:13:52,650
Okay, so can we read it to them?

1784
04:13:53,730 --> 04:13:55,430
We can certainly resubmit it.

1785
04:13:56,170 --> 04:13:56,650
Sorry.

1786
04:13:56,950 --> 04:13:57,350
Question there.

1787
04:13:58,310 --> 04:13:58,850
Councilor Ray.

1788
04:14:00,130 --> 04:14:00,570
I'm sorry.

1789
04:14:00,730 --> 04:14:03,070
I didn't catch your last name, sir.

1790
04:14:03,970 --> 04:14:04,710
I'm very sorry.

1791
04:14:04,830 --> 04:14:06,010
My name is Graham Ireland.

1792
04:14:10,150 --> 04:14:14,570
I'm just helping them with some of the technical aspects of the application.

1793
04:14:15,170 --> 04:14:15,790
No, absolutely.

1794
04:14:16,210 --> 04:14:20,390
So I will ask, I'm getting a lot of blank looks regarding this letter.

1795
04:14:21,530 --> 04:14:28,110
If you could resubmit that letter to public hearings at rockview.ca.

1796
04:14:29,870 --> 04:14:30,470
Absolutely.

1797
04:14:31,090 --> 04:14:33,050
We'll get it and we'll consider it.

1798
04:14:34,130 --> 04:14:34,910
Thank you very much.

1799
04:14:34,910 --> 04:14:35,950
Okay.

1800
04:14:36,510 --> 04:14:39,610
If you're .ca, what was the address of them?

1801
04:14:39,850 --> 04:14:44,210
Yes, so the public hearings are plural at rockiview.ca.

1802
04:14:44,730 --> 04:14:47,850
Public hearings at rockiview.ca.

1803
04:14:48,010 --> 04:14:48,090
Public hearings at rockiview.ca.

1804
04:14:48,090 --> 04:14:48,230
Understood.

1805
04:14:48,510 --> 04:14:48,770
Thank you.

1806
04:14:49,070 --> 04:14:49,430
You bet.

1807
04:14:50,150 --> 04:14:50,370
Okay.

1808
04:14:50,630 --> 04:14:53,910
Could you continue with your presentation, please?

1809
04:14:56,410 --> 04:14:57,570
Question.

1810
04:14:58,470 --> 04:14:58,830
Of course.

1811
04:14:59,090 --> 04:14:59,790
Okay, welcome.

1812
04:15:00,300 --> 04:15:28,440
If we finish the presentation, please, council rate, and then we'll ask questions. Well, sorry, I thought he asked the questions. I apologize. We don't have a formal presentation. We are understanding that the letter that was that we understood had been submitted has explained most of our concerns and where we believe that there's support and existing legislation for this application.

1813
04:15:29,480 --> 04:15:34,640
I'm happy to read over it, but probably having it read for yourself is probably easier.

1814
04:15:35,120 --> 04:15:42,960
So if Councilor Wright has some questions, please proceed.

1815
04:15:43,460 --> 04:15:43,700
Okay.

1816
04:15:43,920 --> 04:15:45,360
We will move to questions.

1817
04:15:45,580 --> 04:15:46,040
Councilor Wright.

1818
04:15:48,280 --> 04:15:51,480
Through the read, thank you, Councilor Wright, Division 8.

1819
04:15:52,040 --> 04:15:52,360
First question.

1820
04:15:52,600 --> 04:15:55,460
You said the letter is from Ronald and Donna Hurt.

1821
04:15:56,160 --> 04:15:56,520
That's right.

1822
04:15:57,280 --> 04:15:58,440
Are they not the applicants?

1823
04:15:59,100 --> 04:15:59,320
Yes.

1824
04:15:59,320 --> 04:15:59,520
Yes.

1825
04:15:59,780 --> 04:15:59,900
Yes.

1826
04:16:00,960 --> 04:16:01,360
Okay.

1827
04:16:02,020 --> 04:16:05,080
You're providing specifications to what your application is.

1828
04:16:05,120 --> 04:16:06,940
Is that what your letter is just basically stating?

1829
04:16:07,880 --> 04:16:08,280
Yes.

1830
04:16:08,520 --> 04:16:09,380
That's what it's stating.

1831
04:16:09,660 --> 04:16:11,020
I can read it to you if you'd like.

1832
04:16:11,120 --> 04:16:12,560
This is on a hurt talking right now.

1833
04:16:12,760 --> 04:16:12,900
No.

1834
04:16:13,580 --> 04:16:14,200
That's okay.

1835
04:16:14,320 --> 04:16:14,900
Thank you.

1836
04:16:14,900 --> 04:16:18,040
I was just trying to clarify if it was a letter of support or a letter of opposition, but

1837
04:16:18,040 --> 04:16:21,120
it's just basically a letter just stating what's your intences.

1838
04:16:21,640 --> 04:16:22,020
Yes.

1839
04:16:23,280 --> 04:16:27,380
We were approached by some people too that they were interested in this land.

1840
04:16:27,380 --> 04:16:36,220
And one is a small, he has his own gravel truck and back hole and he would like to build

1841
04:16:36,220 --> 04:16:41,020
a shop for it and put it on that 14 or no, that 10 acre parcel.

1842
04:16:41,800 --> 04:16:49,220
And then the individual that's in between these two parcels of subdivision that we've applied

1843
04:16:49,220 --> 04:16:57,360
for, he has a small home business and he was the one that approached us for the six point

1844
04:16:57,360 --> 04:17:04,820
six acre person. Thank you for that. So then I'm just going to, based on that, administration

1845
04:17:04,820 --> 04:17:09,320
is there no way this could operate as a home-based business or is it outside the scope and I'm

1846
04:17:09,320 --> 04:17:13,420
going to guess it's not in the area where home-based is. Sorry, yeah, just look at that. So can

1847
04:17:13,420 --> 04:17:14,480
it be a home-based business?

1848
04:17:23,240 --> 04:17:27,260
No, for administration, not for yourself. So I just want some

1849
04:17:27,260 --> 04:17:29,220
clarification just based on what you just stated.

1850
04:17:31,520 --> 04:17:36,440
through the chair. We would have to have a closer look as to what the nature of the development

1851
04:17:36,440 --> 04:17:42,680
would be to make that determination. Okay, because I notice that it's asking for an eye

1852
04:17:42,680 --> 04:17:47,680
heavy, which is a big change. Okay, the other question I have is, is this in the area of

1853
04:17:47,680 --> 04:17:52,520
live work? And that's why I think it's probably not, but it's getting my live work in these business

1854
04:17:52,520 --> 04:17:57,200
factors. I'm sorry, could you repeat your question? I missed the first part.

1855
04:17:58,400 --> 04:18:03,720
Is it in the area where the work would occur or could occur?

1856
04:18:05,560 --> 04:18:09,940
Through the chair, I believe it may fall into.

1857
04:18:09,940 --> 04:18:14,760
I'd have to review the map to confirm that, but it's possible it's closed by.

1858
04:18:14,960 --> 04:18:17,120
I'd have to review that map to confirm.

1859
04:18:18,640 --> 04:18:18,940
Okay.

1860
04:18:19,060 --> 04:18:20,380
Well, that's not really for this application.

1861
04:18:20,540 --> 04:18:23,720
I think it would probably be something that comes down the line, but I just want to have

1862
04:18:23,720 --> 04:18:24,800
some options open here.

1863
04:18:24,920 --> 04:18:25,720
Thank you very much.

1864
04:18:25,720 --> 04:18:29,660
Do you have a claim? I see your lights on you.

1865
04:18:31,600 --> 04:18:38,220
Just with regards to the home based business, an application would be needed to be submitted

1866
04:18:38,220 --> 04:18:42,240
for if this were to be fallen at home based business, which would go before municipal

1867
04:18:42,240 --> 04:18:45,020
planning commission is not existing home based business.

1868
04:18:45,460 --> 04:18:48,340
So if that application were to be made, it would be determined at that point.

1869
04:18:50,060 --> 04:18:55,420
Thank you. I had deputy even MacKyler than Councillor Hanson.

1870
04:18:56,780 --> 04:19:01,760
Thank you, through the chair, Kimi-Kallard, if you read, just I need a clarity question.

1871
04:19:01,880 --> 04:19:08,180
I don't really think this is for the applicant, but are these made this for administration

1872
04:19:08,180 --> 04:19:10,880
based on the questions that Councillor Valkyrie was raising?

1873
04:19:11,340 --> 04:19:19,600
Is this lands or are these lands out of the ASP, the Joint ASP in Crossfield?

1874
04:19:21,970 --> 04:19:27,250
Through the chair, we did review them up and these lands are not located within that

1875
04:19:27,250 --> 04:19:29,430
The ASP area, they are to the northeast.

1876
04:19:29,830 --> 04:19:34,830
The ASP is along the eastern boundary of the town of Crossfield.

1877
04:19:36,670 --> 04:19:37,190
Thank you.

1878
04:19:39,880 --> 04:19:40,340
Mr. Heston.

1879
04:19:42,280 --> 04:19:46,360
So I had some division three through the chair to administration.

1880
04:19:46,540 --> 04:19:49,240
Does not a home-based business require a home?

1881
04:19:53,100 --> 04:19:54,260
Through the chair, that's correct.

1882
04:19:55,840 --> 04:19:58,340
Does not live work require a home?

1883
04:20:00,650 --> 04:20:01,650
Through the chair, correct.

1884
04:20:02,810 --> 04:20:08,710
So, was there anything in the package indicating there would be a house on this re-designation?

1885
04:20:13,210 --> 04:20:17,150
Which parcel are you talking about the one that's on the 6.6 acres?

1886
04:20:18,550 --> 04:20:21,330
The eye-heavy re-designation.

1887
04:20:22,450 --> 04:20:24,250
No, there's no house.

1888
04:20:25,290 --> 04:20:27,570
We're just putting it into commercial.

1889
04:20:28,350 --> 04:20:33,650
He just wants to build a shop with, to start his equipment in it.

1890
04:20:36,090 --> 04:20:41,410
Okay, and is it the same or a different person that wants the resident, or the 6.6 residential?

1891
04:20:42,010 --> 04:20:43,070
It's a different person.

1892
04:20:43,690 --> 04:20:48,050
It's the person that is in between these two parcels that has shown interest.

1893
04:20:48,990 --> 04:20:49,850
Okay, thank you.

1894
04:20:53,220 --> 04:20:53,640
Thank you.

1895
04:20:53,900 --> 04:20:58,460
Do we have any other questions for the presenter,

1896
04:21:00,640 --> 04:21:01,300
Councillor Belkey?

1897
04:21:01,300 --> 04:21:02,280
Thank you.

1898
04:21:02,420 --> 04:21:09,200
Through the chair to one of the Hertz, whoever would like to answer the configuration on the

1899
04:21:09,200 --> 04:21:10,520
industrial parcel.

1900
04:21:12,760 --> 04:21:18,660
I look at that and we've kind of moved the angles up and for farm equipment to go around

1901
04:21:18,660 --> 04:21:19,640
all of these corners.

1902
04:21:20,160 --> 04:21:28,540
Your one to the east seems to have alleviated that and we're just moving the one to the west

1903
04:21:28,540 --> 04:21:37,400
up? Is there any possibility of bringing it down so that they all are even?

1904
04:21:39,280 --> 04:21:39,860
Oh, yes.

1905
04:21:40,280 --> 04:21:46,720
Yeah, there was a possibility of that. We didn't know if that would give the party that's

1906
04:21:46,720 --> 04:21:50,900
interested enough room to work in there, so without being so little bigger.

1907
04:21:51,580 --> 04:22:01,100
The way it currently is, the west parcel, there's a fence line that kind of goes straight north on that quarter and divides it into.

1908
04:22:01,860 --> 04:22:08,960
The west half has been in pasture because there's more clearly and stuff involved on the north end that's been in pasture for years.

1909
04:22:09,860 --> 04:22:15,700
The east side of that field has been cultivated for long as I can remember.

1910
04:22:15,700 --> 04:22:22,140
So there is a fence line. So where that job is, it actually meets an existing fence line that's been there for years.

1911
04:22:22,560 --> 04:22:30,540
So for recruitment purposes, it looks like it would be a problem with that fence in the middle.

1912
04:22:30,580 --> 04:22:32,780
It really doesn't affect us that badly. So

1913
04:22:35,400 --> 04:22:41,360
you say that the fence is kind of following the property line you're requesting?

1914
04:22:43,040 --> 04:22:52,300
Yes, the offense goes north south from where the jog is on the west, the west proposal,

1915
04:22:53,100 --> 04:22:57,880
the east side of that west parcel. There's a fan's line run straight north. It doesn't

1916
04:22:57,880 --> 04:23:02,500
show up on the map very good, but there is a fan's line. So basically that corridor is split

1917
04:23:02,500 --> 04:23:07,660
into two pieces already. It's the way it's been farmed for years.

1918
04:23:07,660 --> 04:23:13,220
Yeah, you can kind of see there's differences in the left side looks green and the other side

1919
04:23:13,220 --> 04:23:14,100
looks a little darker.

1920
04:23:15,080 --> 04:23:20,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, once the west side is pastured, the east side is cropland.

1921
04:23:21,060 --> 04:23:21,400
Exactly.

1922
04:23:21,820 --> 04:23:22,000
Thank you.

1923
04:23:25,090 --> 04:23:28,030
Any other questions for the...

1924
04:23:36,220 --> 04:23:39,420
Thank you, through the RAID Division 9, Councillor Pissell.

1925
04:23:39,920 --> 04:23:44,060
So this land is currently being found and it's considered viable farmland.

1926
04:23:46,540 --> 04:23:54,340
Yes, it's all been farmed, the west side, let's say it is pasture, it has some lower areas in it,

1927
04:23:54,400 --> 04:23:58,600
it has coolie to the north, it has a creek that runs through under the railway track, through

1928
04:23:58,600 --> 04:24:06,040
there, splits it up. So it's a smaller parcel that was not really worth having it into green. So

1929
04:24:06,040 --> 04:24:10,580
we've always left it in pasture, we run 300 cows, so we need pasture anyhow.

1930
04:24:12,980 --> 04:24:19,880
We have along the two-way highway there, we had originally four corners when the power line

1931
04:24:19,880 --> 04:24:24,700
came through out the link bottles out of our own place, we moved, but were since rented

1932
04:24:24,700 --> 04:24:25,140
it back.

1933
04:24:25,400 --> 04:24:32,140
So we did run a lot of cattle on that, those four quarters down in that old farm.

1934
04:24:33,940 --> 04:24:39,900
So yeah, pasture on the west side and then the other east field was big enough to be worthwhile

1935
04:24:39,900 --> 04:24:44,320
the board and it rains. That's what we've done then. Thank you.

1936
04:24:48,910 --> 04:24:51,050
See no more lights or hands.

1937
04:24:56,370 --> 04:25:00,210
I saw we've had no written submissions in the agenda package.

1938
04:25:01,530 --> 04:25:07,270
Mr. and Grayson do we have any pre-recorded audio or video presentations in support?

1939
04:25:07,790 --> 04:25:12,310
Through the chair we did not receive any pre-recorded audio or visual presentation in support.

1940
04:25:15,610 --> 04:25:20,310
We received any pre-recorded audio or video presentations in opposition.

1941
04:25:21,050 --> 04:25:23,290
Through the chair, we did not receive any in opposition either.

1942
04:25:27,100 --> 04:25:27,580
Thank you.

1943
04:25:28,140 --> 04:25:35,260
So a little off script, but have we received the letter from the Hertz's kind of explaining their proposal?

1944
04:25:35,260 --> 04:25:37,040
I'm going to call out a letter of support.

1945
04:25:37,740 --> 04:25:41,740
Through the chair, we've received that letter as well as additional email and opposition as well.

1946
04:25:41,920 --> 04:25:42,760
So at this point we do have two.

1947
04:25:44,160 --> 04:25:46,680
subject to any further, when you make your final call?

1948
04:25:47,500 --> 04:25:53,820
All right, so I'll make the final call for email submissions, either in support or opposition.

1949
04:25:57,330 --> 04:26:08,810
So it is now 127 and we'll give another five minutes for email submissions.

1950
04:26:09,330 --> 04:26:12,150
last council to stand at these four or five minutes.

1951
04:26:16,830 --> 04:26:19,330
Can you just confirm that you've received our letter?

1952
04:26:20,330 --> 04:26:24,990
We haven't sent it yet, but the gentleman said that we have received an email from us.

1953
04:26:28,450 --> 04:26:32,330
Through the chair, we do have a copy of the original email sent in, letter sent in.

1954
04:26:33,690 --> 04:26:35,190
Data January 27th?

1955
04:26:37,720 --> 04:26:38,880
Through the chair, yes.

1956
04:26:40,060 --> 04:26:40,780
Thank you.

1957
04:26:44,300 --> 04:26:50,690
And was that not circulated to counsel that through the chair?

1958
04:26:51,230 --> 04:26:55,030
It was not provided in the agenda package, but it will be when we finish the

1959
04:26:56,410 --> 04:26:56,810
Okay.

1960
04:26:57,010 --> 04:26:57,710
Okay. Thank you.

1961
04:32:51,310 --> 04:33:03,110
Chair, so as I mentioned prior to the stand of these, we did receive one in support and one in opposition, so we will package those up, distribute them to the public, the applicant and council, and we can pick a recess to

1962
04:43:41,930 --> 04:43:43,450
rebut what they read.

1963
04:43:46,880 --> 04:43:51,060
Did you have a chance to review the letter in opposition, Mr. Ireland?

1964
04:43:55,430 --> 04:44:02,390
We haven't received the letter of opposition on our emails or anything, so we have another chance to review it.

1965
04:44:04,430 --> 04:44:05,830
Getting information

1966
04:44:07,840 --> 04:44:11,170
that the you guys

1967
04:44:13,840 --> 04:44:15,060
Sorry, we missed that.

1968
04:44:19,270 --> 04:44:21,810
Gmail was sent to Donna Hertz with the link to the letter.

1969
04:44:23,310 --> 04:44:26,930
No, I haven't received anything at potmail.com.

1970
04:44:27,330 --> 04:44:27,550
The

1971
04:44:44,900 --> 04:44:48,120
chair, we will forward the emails again to the applicant,

1972
04:44:48,720 --> 04:44:51,160
to the correct email this time, and perhaps we can take another.

1973
04:44:56,720 --> 04:44:59,840
And we can suggest that the scene is ready to be

1974
04:48:33,460 --> 04:48:36,640
You have heard or read in opposition with

1975
04:48:40,570 --> 04:48:42,170
respect to the email that

1976
04:48:44,670 --> 04:49:08,870
the submission offers no support for its concern that their property value would be decreased. On our reading, it looks more like a, more like a critical pro trying to ask for a re designation of their property, just to come along with ours. In our view, their property is being used for similar uses already. There's large trucks parked on that property.

1977
04:49:09,970 --> 04:49:17,270
as it is. So don't see really how Ron and Don's application would affect their property value.

1978
04:49:18,590 --> 04:49:24,590
We also know that that property is currently listed as for sale for what's that's worth. So

1979
04:49:25,110 --> 04:49:30,830
to object to Ron and Don's application, well at the same time, trying to sell their property,

1980
04:49:32,610 --> 04:49:38,310
we wouldn't say that they have a long-term vested interest in the redesignation of the adjacent property.

1981
04:49:43,240 --> 04:49:52,840
I mean, he's basically trying to do the same thing, small home-based businesses, what

1982
04:49:52,840 --> 04:50:00,220
are the parties that's interested in the subdivision we're asking for, very similar type

1983
04:50:00,220 --> 04:50:09,500
operation, storage of trucks and equipment, and a place to operate out of, I guess in the

1984
04:50:09,500 --> 04:50:16,460
ND, but still late close to the town across fields, where they do the business, and so

1985
04:50:16,460 --> 04:50:16,680
on.

1986
04:50:17,040 --> 04:50:24,500
So, to me, he's trying to do the same thing that we're trying to do, so we see why he should

1987
04:50:24,500 --> 04:50:31,900
to be objecting as to ours as we didn't object to what he was proposing to do there either.

1988
04:50:33,600 --> 04:50:39,180
And if I may add, I guess my understanding, although it's pretty confusing,

1989
04:50:40,180 --> 04:50:44,080
we're not in the area, a structured plant, just north to Crossfield,

1990
04:50:44,520 --> 04:50:48,180
but it's not hard to see described down the two way.

1991
04:50:48,340 --> 04:50:50,700
There's two RV parks right adjacent.

1992
04:50:52,060 --> 04:50:57,440
There's a church we put in there, there's a fancy business just to the north and at the

1993
04:50:57,440 --> 04:50:57,920
properties.

1994
04:50:59,500 --> 04:51:00,700
Mr. Hertz?

1995
04:51:01,900 --> 04:51:02,040
Yes.

1996
04:51:02,280 --> 04:51:02,380
Yeah.

1997
04:51:02,520 --> 04:51:06,720
This is your opportunity for rebuttals so you can really only speak to what you heard

1998
04:51:06,720 --> 04:51:07,800
in opposition.

1999
04:51:08,940 --> 04:51:09,180
Okay.

2000
04:51:09,460 --> 04:51:16,900
The time for your presentation and your fax is gone so if you could just speak to the letter

2001
04:51:16,900 --> 04:51:18,760
of opposition that would be great.

2002
04:51:18,940 --> 04:51:19,280
Thank you.

2003
04:51:20,980 --> 04:51:25,960
Yeah. So I'm just basically as I say to Darren Graham as well. Thank you.

2004
04:51:26,400 --> 04:51:27,020
Very good.

2005
04:51:29,060 --> 04:51:33,360
Do we have any final questions for the applicant or administration? I have

2006
04:51:33,960 --> 04:51:36,240
Councillor Wright and then Councillor Hanson.

2007
04:51:42,580 --> 04:51:45,220
Can you hear me? My microphone is doing

2008
04:51:45,220 --> 04:51:51,280
wonky things. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Can you hear me? Okay, sorry.

2009
04:51:59,640 --> 04:52:06,800
It seems to be, to the applicant, I'm just about one of the interested parties in purchasing

2010
04:52:06,800 --> 04:52:11,480
the property is the existing man donor whose parcel is currently called, that is that correct?

2011
04:52:14,410 --> 04:52:14,590
Correct.

2012
04:52:14,950 --> 04:52:15,170
Yes.

2013
04:52:18,140 --> 04:52:18,960
Yes it is.

2014
04:52:21,490 --> 04:52:21,750
Yes?

2015
04:52:22,110 --> 04:52:22,230
Okay.

2016
04:52:22,590 --> 04:52:27,250
And so was there any consideration of a boundary adjustment?

2017
04:52:27,250 --> 04:52:31,870
or is it because the heavy industrial proposed to go on that it won't fit within the current

2018
04:52:31,870 --> 04:52:33,650
existing one-based business?

2019
04:52:35,710 --> 04:52:37,230
It's a different person.

2020
04:52:37,950 --> 04:52:46,310
It's a different person that's going on to the 14-acre parcel than what's to the east

2021
04:52:46,310 --> 04:52:49,650
of that 14-acre parcel, for 10-acre, sorry.

2022
04:52:51,890 --> 04:52:54,030
Okay, so who's going to, where's the eye heavy then?

2023
04:52:54,150 --> 04:52:55,050
I thought that was going to the west.

2024
04:52:55,190 --> 04:52:56,590
I obviously have this backwards somehow.

2025
04:52:56,590 --> 04:53:00,070
No, it's going to the west right against the tracks.

2026
04:53:01,290 --> 04:53:05,730
Okay, and that's not the same person who wants to expand out for their home-based business.

2027
04:53:06,350 --> 04:53:06,530
No.

2028
04:53:07,250 --> 04:53:11,170
Okay, so that's completely separate, so it's the parcel to the east that wants the home-based

2029
04:53:11,170 --> 04:53:11,610
business.

2030
04:53:12,250 --> 04:53:12,410
Correct.

2031
04:53:13,310 --> 04:53:16,250
Was there any consideration for just doing a boundary adjustment?

2032
04:53:18,610 --> 04:53:24,950
I guess if we can agree on a price and whatnot that they would like to do it, then I guess

2033
04:53:24,950 --> 04:53:27,350
we could probably do in a boundary adjustment, I guess.

2034
04:53:30,880 --> 04:53:32,780
Now, this is for the administration.

2035
04:53:32,960 --> 04:53:34,680
There is a home-based business there.

2036
04:53:34,800 --> 04:53:36,900
Has there been any enforcement actions just based

2037
04:53:36,900 --> 04:53:39,500
on the comments from the letter and opposition?

2038
04:53:40,300 --> 04:53:42,260
We'll remind council this is land use

2039
04:53:42,260 --> 04:53:44,920
and not development permit or subdivision stage,

2040
04:53:45,080 --> 04:53:47,180
so we could stick to land use, please.

2041
04:53:48,500 --> 04:53:51,520
Yeah, I just wanted because of the comment by the applicant

2042
04:53:51,520 --> 04:53:53,520
that there was a home-based business or something.

2043
04:53:53,600 --> 04:53:55,340
So I just wanted to understand if there was any

2044
04:53:55,340 --> 04:53:56,460
Okay.

2045
04:53:57,020 --> 04:53:57,300
For

2046
04:54:02,620 --> 04:54:03,240
Hanson.

2047
04:54:05,500 --> 04:54:09,540
Just for my clarity, the letter on opposition was from the neighbors across the truck.

2048
04:54:10,760 --> 04:54:11,440
Yes.

2049
04:54:12,160 --> 04:54:12,660
Thank you.

2050
04:54:13,400 --> 04:54:13,560
You

2051
04:54:16,730 --> 04:54:21,030
have any more questions for the applicant or administration?

2052
04:54:23,630 --> 04:54:24,630
I see none.

2053
04:54:25,430 --> 04:54:26,490
Councillor Belkey.

2054
04:54:27,470 --> 04:54:28,810
I will move to close the hearing.

2055
04:54:30,530 --> 04:54:33,450
Motion to close the public hearing by exception.

2056
04:54:33,650 --> 04:54:34,490
Do we have any opposition?

2057
04:54:35,370 --> 04:54:37,910
The motion is carried.

2058
04:54:39,150 --> 04:54:40,570
Thank you.

2059
04:54:41,150 --> 04:54:48,210
Through the chair, well, this is a very odd little corner here with it's been broke up since way back.

2060
04:54:48,310 --> 04:54:50,430
I think in the 90s, according to the history.

2061
04:54:53,190 --> 04:54:59,450
And I'm surprised that we didn't get some kind of resistance from this town across field.

2062
04:55:00,070 --> 04:55:00,910
There was none.

2063
04:55:00,910 --> 04:55:08,970
They supported it. They basically said they were fine with it with some screening on the industrial part and they had no problem with the residential.

2064
04:55:09,950 --> 04:55:16,830
I think this will to a certain instance clean up a little bit of this quarter as to the opposition.

2065
04:55:17,530 --> 04:55:22,590
If the folks on the west side of the track would like a redesignation, they are free to apply.

2066
04:55:22,590 --> 04:55:32,470
So I would say that the opposition is kind of unwarranted at this point as far as being

2067
04:55:33,730 --> 04:55:38,390
given an automatic re-designation.

2068
04:55:38,670 --> 04:55:48,810
So I'm going to make a motion for option one, motion one, that by law C, C8069-2020, be

2069
04:55:48,810 --> 04:55:51,150
amended in accordance with the attachment C.

2070
04:55:51,150 --> 04:55:51,950
Thank

2071
04:55:55,630 --> 04:55:58,050
you. We have a motion on the floor. Do we have any debate?

2072
04:56:00,010 --> 04:56:00,630
Councilor Hansen.

2073
04:56:03,220 --> 04:56:03,900
I would support

2074
04:56:06,160 --> 04:56:09,860
Expansion of the home-based business and perhaps the easiest way to do that

2075
04:56:09,860 --> 04:56:14,400
would be in the guise of the boundary but really can't support I heavy here

2076
04:56:14,400 --> 04:56:16,300
and just

2077
04:56:17,520 --> 04:56:21,780
being close to future residential but it's more that we've designated an ASP

2078
04:56:21,780 --> 04:56:25,960
area to have exactly these kinds of businesses

2079
04:56:25,960 --> 04:56:33,480
is running. So, more we approve these little one-offs outside of the ASPs. Those are designated

2080
04:56:33,480 --> 04:56:38,880
growth areas and we're not really doing those designated growth areas. Any favors,

2081
04:56:39,960 --> 04:56:45,140
there's no critical mass being generated in those ASP areas to have the businesses help

2082
04:56:45,140 --> 04:56:51,880
themselves, et cetera, et cetera. So, like Councillor Belkey, I too was surprised. Crossfield

2083
04:56:51,880 --> 04:56:59,660
didn't push back a little bit on this but I don't think I'll be supporting the full option one

2084
04:57:01,640 --> 04:57:05,960
because there's too many policies in our county plan that are being

2085
04:57:07,100 --> 04:57:14,400
being violated and it's a really a joint effort with cost fields so I think we have to do our

2086
04:57:14,400 --> 04:57:20,280
support, they do our part to support our municipal neighbors and move tax paying businesses

2087
04:57:20,280 --> 04:57:28,540
into ASPs where we can share the gains and the costs in the ASPs.

2088
04:57:29,060 --> 04:57:34,420
So, unfortunately, I can partially support this, but not fully.

2089
04:57:38,810 --> 04:57:39,490
Councillor Kisle.

2090
04:57:39,690 --> 04:57:40,790
And then, Councillor Kisle.

2091
04:57:43,620 --> 04:57:47,320
Thank you through the read, Councillor Kisle, Division 9.

2092
04:57:48,860 --> 04:57:54,640
So, my one question to the applicant was, is this good farmland and he verified that

2093
04:57:55,060 --> 04:57:59,860
they are farming this and they have 300 head of cattle and that this is usable land.

2094
04:58:00,820 --> 04:58:07,680
So to take usable agricultural land and transferred over to industrial, I have a problem

2095
04:58:07,680 --> 04:58:08,180
with that.

2096
04:58:08,760 --> 04:58:15,820
I can't support the motion on the table as it is today, but I definitely would have a

2097
04:58:15,820 --> 04:58:22,060
a good look at option two, that would be, you know, still a residential type property.

2098
04:58:22,820 --> 04:58:26,580
But industrial heavy is a long ways from residential.

2099
04:58:27,000 --> 04:58:29,440
So for that reason, I can't support this.

2100
04:58:32,890 --> 04:58:33,250
Thank you.

2101
04:58:33,430 --> 04:58:34,130
Councillor Wright.

2102
04:58:37,730 --> 04:58:39,470
Through the read, Councillor, I'd give you an eight.

2103
04:58:40,130 --> 04:58:41,630
Yeah, I won't be supporting this either.

2104
04:58:41,850 --> 04:58:45,490
When I ask the question, if this could be accomplished through a boundary adjustment, I do think

2105
04:58:45,490 --> 04:58:47,710
that that would be the best thing for the part.

2106
04:58:47,710 --> 04:58:56,050
So to the east RV storage is being cited as a reason that's not I heavy that's we'll keep

2107
04:58:56,050 --> 04:58:59,910
hearing that that's a transitional use it is under a DC by-law that I'm looking at the

2108
04:58:59,910 --> 04:59:07,650
back correctly and so to put I heavy in this particular area I just don't think it it

2109
04:59:07,650 --> 04:59:11,410
meets the criteria and I don't think it's it's following up all C so I'm going to stick

2110
04:59:22,700 --> 04:59:34,640
I'm going to be there for now. I'm going to support it. It's right along the road. We track. Why would we not put an industrial on the road? We track. It doesn't make a sense for residential obviously. So I will support it.

2111
04:59:38,860 --> 04:59:40,900
Do we have any other debate on the motion?

2112
04:59:41,600 --> 04:59:42,280
Can I just close?

2113
04:59:44,000 --> 04:59:45,280
Councillor Belkie to close.

2114
04:59:45,500 --> 04:59:46,580
Thank you. Just to close.

2115
04:59:48,160 --> 04:59:53,560
I hear what the Councillors are saying to Councillor Hanson.

2116
04:59:54,500 --> 04:59:58,800
We had a response from Crossfield and we are not their guardians.

2117
04:59:59,060 --> 04:59:59,980
We may be a part.

2118
05:00:17,660 --> 05:00:29,980
So, I kind of think that we don't need to play like we are big brother to our neighbors. So, I appreciate the conversations but hope for the

2119
05:00:30,000 --> 05:00:30,640
Thank

2120
05:00:32,690 --> 05:00:39,470
you. How's that was to close? I'll call the question on the motion. Councillor

2121
05:00:39,470 --> 05:00:39,990
Camachi.

2122
05:00:43,070 --> 05:00:50,150
David. Deputy Chief MacKeylor. In favor. Councillor Hanson.

2123
05:00:52,360 --> 05:01:00,840
Councillor Belki, almost swayed me, but I think I'm going to stay no opposed. Thank you,

2124
05:01:00,840 --> 05:01:01,840
Councillor Schoole.

2125
05:01:04,640 --> 05:01:05,060
In favor.

2126
05:01:06,560 --> 05:01:07,640
Councillor Goutrault.

2127
05:01:08,600 --> 05:01:08,960
In favor.

2128
05:01:10,340 --> 05:01:11,280
Councillor Belki.

2129
05:01:11,680 --> 05:01:12,100
In favor.

2130
05:01:13,380 --> 05:01:14,020
Councillor Wright.

2131
05:01:15,540 --> 05:01:16,180
Opposed?

2132
05:01:17,740 --> 05:01:18,440
Councillor Kessel.

2133
05:01:29,270 --> 05:01:30,530
Revehann is in favor.

2134
05:01:30,930 --> 05:01:31,970
The motion carries.

2135
05:01:32,630 --> 05:01:33,210
Councillor Belki.

2136
05:01:33,690 --> 05:01:34,050
Thank you.

2137
05:01:34,230 --> 05:01:40,230
We'll go to motion two that by law C8069-2020 be given

2138
05:01:40,230 --> 05:01:41,550
second reading as amended.

2139
05:01:43,730 --> 05:01:44,190
Thank you.

2140
05:01:44,190 --> 05:01:45,710
Is there any debate on the motion?

2141
05:01:46,830 --> 05:01:49,130
Seeing none, call the question.

2142
05:01:49,830 --> 05:01:50,610
Councillor Kammache.

2143
05:01:51,730 --> 05:01:52,370
In favor?

2144
05:01:53,110 --> 05:01:54,150
Deputy Chief McCudder.

2145
05:01:54,910 --> 05:01:55,590
In favor.

2146
05:01:56,190 --> 05:01:57,110
Councillor Hansen.

2147
05:01:58,350 --> 05:01:58,990
Opposed?

2148
05:02:00,290 --> 05:02:01,510
Councillor Schuyl.

2149
05:02:04,470 --> 05:02:04,990
In favor.

2150
05:02:05,330 --> 05:02:06,510
Councillor Guttroll.

2151
05:02:07,250 --> 05:02:07,930
In favor.

2152
05:02:08,750 --> 05:02:09,390
Councillor Belkey.

2153
05:02:09,850 --> 05:02:10,290
In favor.

2154
05:02:11,450 --> 05:02:12,430
Councillor Wright.

2155
05:02:13,770 --> 05:02:14,110
Opposed.

2156
05:02:14,950 --> 05:02:16,310
Councillor Kessel.

2157
05:02:17,070 --> 05:02:17,930
In favor.

2158
05:02:18,830 --> 05:02:19,830
You've handed in favor.

2159
05:02:20,450 --> 05:02:21,170
The motion carries.

2160
05:02:22,010 --> 05:02:22,590
Councillor Belkey.

2161
05:02:22,970 --> 05:02:23,890
And thank you.

2162
05:02:24,170 --> 05:02:27,310
Motion 3 that by law see 8069-2020,

2163
05:02:28,130 --> 05:02:30,310
be given third and final reading as amended.

2164
05:02:31,250 --> 05:02:31,930
Thank you.

2165
05:02:32,230 --> 05:02:35,710
Do we have any debate on the motion?

2166
05:02:36,690 --> 05:02:38,490
Seeing none, I'll call the question.

2167
05:02:38,770 --> 05:02:39,530
Councillor Camacho.

2168
05:02:42,200 --> 05:02:42,660
In favor.

2169
05:02:44,020 --> 05:02:45,080
Deputy McIller.

2170
05:02:46,120 --> 05:02:46,720
In favor.

2171
05:02:47,440 --> 05:02:48,460
Councilor Hansen.

2172
05:02:49,060 --> 05:02:49,660
Opposed?

2173
05:02:50,700 --> 05:02:51,400
Councilor Schuyl.

2174
05:02:54,130 --> 05:02:54,510
Any favour?

2175
05:02:55,630 --> 05:02:56,510
Councilor Gochrel.

2176
05:02:57,570 --> 05:02:57,850
Any favour?

2177
05:02:58,730 --> 05:02:59,490
Councilor Belky.

2178
05:02:59,890 --> 05:03:00,270
Any favour?

2179
05:03:01,010 --> 05:03:01,770
Councilor Wright.

2180
05:03:02,990 --> 05:03:03,290
Opposed?

2181
05:03:04,070 --> 05:03:04,870
Councilor Kessel.

2182
05:03:06,050 --> 05:03:06,530
Any favour?

2183
05:03:09,280 --> 05:03:11,120
Your hand is in favour, the motion carries.

2184
05:03:12,220 --> 05:03:13,980
And that application has been

2185
05:03:17,920 --> 05:03:19,020
itemed.

2186
05:03:45,980 --> 05:03:47,940
Oh, before we begin the public hearing,

2187
05:03:47,940 --> 05:03:49,460
I would like to remind the public

2188
05:03:49,460 --> 05:03:53,800
that they may begin providing email submissions to public hearings at

2189
05:03:53,800 --> 05:03:58,480
rockview.ca. Please clearly state the by-law number in the subject line of

2190
05:03:58,480 --> 05:04:03,880
your email. I would also like to outline the process that will be followed in

2191
05:04:03,880 --> 05:04:07,740
the public hearing. After opening the public hearing, we'll begin with a

2192
05:04:07,740 --> 05:04:12,400
presentation from administration followed by questions of administration from

2193
05:04:12,400 --> 05:04:17,960
council. Next, the applicant will provide a presentation followed by questions of

2194
05:04:17,960 --> 05:04:22,340
the applicant from council. We will then play any pre-recorded audio or video

2195
05:04:22,340 --> 05:04:27,180
presentations in support of the application followed by any pre-recorded audio or

2196
05:04:27,180 --> 05:04:31,680
video presentations in opposition of the application. I will then call for any

2197
05:04:31,680 --> 05:04:37,260
email. Finally, email submissions and allow five minutes where the public to

2198
05:04:37,260 --> 05:04:44,000
submit any last email submissions to public hearings at rockiv.ca, either in

2199
05:04:44,000 --> 05:04:49,540
support or an opposition, be for declaring email submissions closed. If email submissions

2200
05:04:49,540 --> 05:04:56,120
are received, they will be provided to Council and the applicant by email as well as uploaded

2201
05:04:56,120 --> 05:05:06,500
to www.ca slash meetings dash hearings for the public. Once the email submissions have been

2202
05:05:06,500 --> 05:05:11,380
distributed, we will take a recess to read and consider those submissions before returning

2203
05:05:11,380 --> 05:05:14,400
and continuing with the public hearing.

2204
05:05:15,180 --> 05:05:19,060
If no email submissions are received from the public,

2205
05:05:19,760 --> 05:05:21,880
we will continue with the public hearing,

2206
05:05:22,140 --> 05:05:25,260
which will conclude with the applicants for battle period,

2207
05:05:25,900 --> 05:05:29,280
if required, and any final questions of administration.

2208
05:05:30,220 --> 05:05:32,800
May I have a motion to open the public hearing?

2209
05:05:38,090 --> 05:05:39,690
Oh, you're not opening E6?

2210
05:05:40,650 --> 05:05:41,090
Thank you.

2211
05:05:41,090 --> 05:05:44,630
by exception, is anyone opposed to opening the public hearing?

2212
05:05:46,270 --> 05:05:48,030
Seeing none, the motion is carried.

2213
05:05:49,170 --> 05:05:49,870
Please proceed.

2214
05:05:52,530 --> 05:05:53,470
Thank you, Mr. Reef.

2215
05:05:53,630 --> 05:05:54,890
Good afternoon, Reef and Council.

2216
05:05:55,470 --> 05:05:57,730
I'm Logan Cox on behalf of Planning and Development Services.

2217
05:06:04,820 --> 05:06:06,960
So the subject property is located in Division 4.

2218
05:06:07,420 --> 05:06:10,080
Approximately one eighth mile north of Township Road 230

2219
05:06:10,080 --> 05:06:12,720
and on the west side of Range Road 248A.

2220
05:06:13,360 --> 05:06:16,860
The city of Calgary is located adjacently west of the subject quarter section.

2221
05:06:16,860 --> 05:06:17,700
The

2222
05:06:26,440 --> 05:06:34,240
application today is to redesign the subject land from residential rural district to country residential district to facilitate the creation of one lot.

2223
05:06:35,200 --> 05:06:39,400
The parcel is developed with a dwelling and accessory dwelling unit and accessory buildings.

2224
05:06:39,940 --> 05:06:47,540
The proposed subdivision would split the dwelling and the accessory dwelling unit. Both are serviced by individual water and septic system.

2225
05:06:47,540 --> 05:06:48,360
The

2226
05:06:54,530 --> 05:06:57,690
subject land is located within the city of Calgary and Rocky View County

2227
05:06:57,690 --> 05:07:02,310
intermeownessful development plan. The subject land is located outside of the

2228
05:07:02,310 --> 05:07:05,270
boundary of an area structure plan and therefore was assessed under the

2229
05:07:05,270 --> 05:07:10,130
fragmented quarter-section policies of the plan. Redesignation applications

2230
05:07:10,130 --> 05:07:15,410
less than 24.7 acres in size can be supported if a lot and road plan has been

2231
05:07:15,410 --> 05:07:19,230
provided. The conditions of subdivision approval would implement the required

2232
05:07:19,230 --> 05:07:22,590
road acquisition and restrictive covenants identified along with southern

2233
05:07:22,590 --> 05:07:27,510
and boundary of the subject parcel. The law and road plan demonstrates the transportation

2234
05:07:27,510 --> 05:07:31,750
network that would support further re-designation and subdivision within this fragmented quarter

2235
05:07:31,750 --> 05:07:32,210
section.

2236
05:07:36,620 --> 05:07:40,900
The proposal was circulated to 66 adjacent landowners and one letter of concern

2237
05:07:40,900 --> 05:07:45,940
was received after the completion of staff's report. This letter will be forwarded to council

2238
05:07:45,940 --> 05:07:51,260
as part of the public hearing email submission. The letter of concern relates to the shared

2239
05:07:51,260 --> 05:07:57,880
use of driveway on the property adjacent to the web as shown here with the do not enter

2240
05:07:57,880 --> 05:07:58,180
sign.

2241
05:08:01,000 --> 05:08:04,780
Administration recommends approval with accordance with option one with today's

2242
05:08:04,780 --> 05:08:05,060
proposal.

2243
05:08:07,770 --> 05:08:12,410
Thank you. And just to know if the council that was Mr. Cox's first presentation

2244
05:08:12,410 --> 05:08:18,090
to council, well done. Do we have any questions for administration?

2245
05:08:20,980 --> 05:08:21,640
Councillor Belkin?

2246
05:08:21,640 --> 05:08:32,060
I actually just have a point of clarity under the motion set, motion one, option one, motion one, is it actually attachment B or C?

2247
05:08:33,500 --> 05:08:37,560
I'm just pointing out what I think is possible misprint.

2248
05:08:38,320 --> 05:08:40,360
Through the chair, this is Tyler Andreessen Clark.

2249
05:08:41,000 --> 05:08:43,900
Yeah, that should be attachment C, which is the red line of the by-law.

2250
05:08:47,410 --> 05:08:47,990
Great catch.

2251
05:08:50,060 --> 05:08:57,380
So, I see no questions for administration so we'll now have the applicant to make their

2252
05:08:57,380 --> 05:08:58,020
presentation.

2253
05:08:58,740 --> 05:09:01,140
Mr. Reeves, sorry if I may, is one quick thing.

2254
05:09:01,140 --> 05:09:03,040
It's Gavir Nijir here from Planning and Development.

2255
05:09:03,340 --> 05:09:07,100
And thank you for catching Mr. Cox's first presentation to Council today.

2256
05:09:07,260 --> 05:09:10,740
I was meaning to introduce somebody the eager to present.

2257
05:09:11,140 --> 05:09:16,920
So, Mr. Cox joins us from Foothills County and today was his first presentation in front of Council.

2258
05:09:16,920 --> 05:09:17,040
Council.

2259
05:09:17,360 --> 05:09:18,800
Thank you for recognizing that.

2260
05:09:19,880 --> 05:09:20,520
Thank you.

2261
05:09:22,580 --> 05:09:22,980
Okay.

2262
05:09:23,240 --> 05:09:29,360
We will now go to the applicant to give us their presentation and they have 20 minutes.

2263
05:09:34,000 --> 05:09:35,800
Oh, Mr. Reven Council.

2264
05:09:36,620 --> 05:09:37,760
My name is Rod Poetry.

2265
05:09:37,880 --> 05:09:43,580
I'm from Planning Protocol and I represent the landowner's Megan and Jason Snaco.

2266
05:09:45,140 --> 05:09:50,340
And yeah, I'll just thank you very much, Mr. Cox, covered a lot of the information.

2267
05:09:50,340 --> 05:09:55,500
I'll just kind of summarize my presentation.

2268
05:09:55,520 --> 05:10:03,060
I did have a PowerPoint presentation, but because we're actually on the internet here

2269
05:10:03,060 --> 05:10:13,840
makes it a little more difficult, but anyhow, what I will say is that this is a 1.9 acre

2270
05:10:13,840 --> 05:10:22,460
a proposal proposed out, which essentially will take out a front lot and an access to

2271
05:10:22,460 --> 05:10:26,100
the rear of a lot as per the site plan submitted.

2272
05:10:27,810 --> 05:10:38,160
The adjacent land use is very similar, it's R-R-U-R, and it's very fragmented.

2273
05:10:38,160 --> 05:10:52,440
You can see from the site plan that we've submitted there's some complications on this particular quarter section with the advent of the WID canal going through it in a north-south direction.

2274
05:10:53,060 --> 05:11:07,000
We've done the best we can and worked with staff to identify a road pattern that would identify access to future subdivision of equivalent size and merit.

2275
05:11:07,000 --> 05:11:15,820
on other lots adjacent. And we feel that that adequately addresses the access needs for the entire quarter section.

2276
05:11:17,040 --> 05:11:36,040
We'll note also that there's some natural and domestic tree cover all around the development on this site that naturally and domestically protects it, screams it from adjacent development.

2277
05:11:37,780 --> 05:11:43,440
The geography and the geography of this site is relatively flat with very little relief,

2278
05:11:43,760 --> 05:11:49,240
but swapping off to the west, but adequate for drainage purposes.

2279
05:11:50,980 --> 05:11:59,440
The access currently is, as was mentioned, through an easement on the north side, but will

2280
05:11:59,440 --> 05:12:07,960
will be replaced with an access on the south side of the site as per the site plan, right

2281
05:12:07,960 --> 05:12:10,680
off of Range Road 284A.

2282
05:12:16,250 --> 05:12:22,530
Services to the site, currently because there's no piped potable

2283
05:12:22,530 --> 05:12:29,970
water system in the area, is via well and septic tank and field. There's recently been

2284
05:12:29,970 --> 05:12:43,410
And a new PSTS study done on the site and a new septic field installed on the rear of

2285
05:12:43,410 --> 05:12:51,070
the property near the secondary suite that's already approved on the site.

2286
05:12:51,070 --> 05:12:59,370
And storm water, there won't be much change to the existing development.

2287
05:12:59,770 --> 05:13:06,930
This essentially just formalizes the division between, it was an existing residence and

2288
05:13:06,930 --> 05:13:10,370
existing mother-and-law, father-and-law suite.

2289
05:13:13,130 --> 05:13:21,750
The well, the existing well in the property is 15 gallons and a minute at 120 feet.

2290
05:13:21,750 --> 05:13:30,230
And in doing research for the quarter-section, the wells average in the range of 7, 8.5,

2291
05:13:30,230 --> 05:13:33,910
and right up to 20 gallons a minute of similar depth.

2292
05:13:34,530 --> 05:13:42,110
So we don't anticipate there'd be a problem with respect to well and water supply in the

2293
05:13:42,110 --> 05:13:42,410
area.

2294
05:13:44,200 --> 05:13:54,740
there are no abandoned wells like oil and gas wells in the area that would

2295
05:13:54,740 --> 05:14:01,500
conflict with this development. So in conclusion I think it meets with all the

2296
05:14:01,500 --> 05:14:08,480
criteria of the bylaw and the county plan and we've provided a concept road

2297
05:14:08,480 --> 05:14:11,580
would access plan for the entire quarter for future development.

2298
05:14:14,600 --> 05:14:16,160
And we feel it meets

2299
05:14:16,160 --> 05:14:22,900
with all the by-law requirements. So with that we'd like to complete our submission

2300
05:14:22,900 --> 05:14:26,400
and open for questions if there's any. Thank you very much.

2301
05:14:27,420 --> 05:14:30,040
Thank you. Do we have some questions for Mr. Porter?

2302
05:14:36,210 --> 05:14:42,230
Councilor Hanson division three through the chair to Mr. Poitry maybe it may not, but

2303
05:14:43,790 --> 05:14:51,930
So the access to both lots would be on the self-boundary of the new lot line or the new lots

2304
05:14:53,430 --> 05:14:54,670
That is correct

2305
05:14:55,710 --> 05:14:59,970
So I was just curious about what's considered a front-end

2306
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:07,220
Third setback, then. At least what I think I'm looking at is the additional dwelling unit. Looks

2307
05:15:07,220 --> 05:15:10,880
like it would be pretty much right on top of that road allowance.

2308
05:15:14,520 --> 05:15:15,980
Hard to tell from my photos.

2309
05:15:17,040 --> 05:15:20,360
But is it feasible that we come up with this?

2310
05:15:22,600 --> 05:15:26,700
Lot layout. And then we're in violation

2311
05:15:26,700 --> 05:15:31,060
of some setbacks as a result of this re-designation?

2312
05:15:37,020 --> 05:15:46,910
Through the chair to Councillor Hanson, so should this re-designation be approved,

2313
05:15:47,270 --> 05:15:48,890
they still have to go through the subdivision process.

2314
05:15:49,630 --> 05:15:55,330
Assuming the subdivision process happens as presented today through the initial high level look.

2315
05:15:55,810 --> 05:15:59,830
The front yard setback within the new destination rule residential,

2316
05:16:02,730 --> 05:16:02,730
sorry,

2317
05:16:02,730 --> 05:16:07,750
45 meters, that existing building there if it's within that setback would be legally

2318
05:16:07,750 --> 05:16:11,410
not conforming and would be a permit to stay as is.

2319
05:16:14,630 --> 05:16:18,770
Okay, legally I'm thinking more practically is there even room to build a road there.

2320
05:16:20,990 --> 05:16:24,710
Through the chair that would be a review as part of the subdivision application process.

2321
05:16:26,710 --> 05:16:27,830
Okay, add

2322
05:16:33,300 --> 05:16:34,020
something here?

2323
05:16:34,500 --> 05:16:34,880
Absolutely.

2324
05:16:36,260 --> 05:16:42,320
Oh yes, through the Chair to Councillor Hanson are you referring to the building on this

2325
05:16:42,320 --> 05:16:51,820
itself property line. Yes, I am. Yeah, it's intended that that building will be it's a garage and will be picked up and removed.

2326
05:16:52,060 --> 05:17:01,340
You're correct. It would actually encroach on that that access right away. So it's it's intention is to have it to picked up and removed.

2327
05:17:03,410 --> 05:17:12,450
Okay. So is the ADU then the building further to the west with the 10 color proof as opposed to dark roof?

2328
05:17:26,000 --> 05:17:32,460
That's an appendage to the garage. I believe there's some shadowing there that kind of

2329
05:17:33,180 --> 05:17:39,280
complicates the image, but that whole building is intention for that building is to be

2330
05:17:39,280 --> 05:17:44,640
removed as well as the adjacent appendage to it.

2331
05:17:45,760 --> 05:17:51,980
Okay, sorry for my confusion. I know it's the air photos are a little fuzzy, but the main

2332
05:17:51,980 --> 05:18:00,100
House is in the northeast of the three. I'm hearing as the southeast bottom is going

2333
05:18:00,100 --> 05:18:04,560
to be removed. It's currently a garage. There's another building to the northwest.

2334
05:18:06,860 --> 05:18:07,520
I'm

2335
05:18:07,520 --> 05:18:09,100
assuming that's the ADU then.

2336
05:18:11,160 --> 05:18:11,740
That is correct.

2337
05:18:11,780 --> 05:18:17,900
I'm going to remind council this is land use, not development or permanent subdivision.

2338
05:18:23,380 --> 05:18:24,040
Go

2339
05:18:24,040 --> 05:18:30,920
Councilor Hanson. Yes, that is the additional suite. It was a former garage, but it's been

2340
05:18:30,920 --> 05:18:37,840
converted into a humanitarian suite for the mother and father-in-law, and that one will

2341
05:18:37,840 --> 05:18:40,400
stay in existence. All right, thank you.

2342
05:18:44,170 --> 05:18:46,650
Do we have any more questions? Councilor Wright.

2343
05:18:49,160 --> 05:18:53,200
Through the read, Councilor, I division eight. Sorry, I lost a bit of internet connection there,

2344
05:18:53,220 --> 05:18:58,340
and I just tried to scroll through and read. What's the reason for not being able to access from

2345
05:18:58,340 --> 05:19:00,700
on the north side of through using the existing driveway,

2346
05:19:00,700 --> 05:19:03,060
that goes to the very, is the panhandle,

2347
05:19:03,060 --> 05:19:05,100
I guess, to the back parcel as well,

2348
05:19:05,280 --> 05:19:06,400
what was the reason behind that?

2349
05:19:12,270 --> 05:19:14,970
Yes, through the chair to Councillor.

2350
05:19:17,310 --> 05:19:19,750
Actually, that was a adjacent landowner,

2351
05:19:20,090 --> 05:19:23,650
letter of can, not objection, but letter of concern.

2352
05:19:24,950 --> 05:19:28,310
They were the former owners of this entire site

2353
05:19:28,310 --> 05:19:33,470
and they created that easement on that panhandle.

2354
05:19:33,650 --> 05:19:39,590
to the rear of the site and allowed the easement of this parcel and this landowner to create

2355
05:19:39,590 --> 05:19:45,390
an easement across that panhandle for this landowner's use.

2356
05:19:48,110 --> 05:19:57,310
He's sent in the letter, and if I could speak to that, wanting to essentially terminate

2357
05:19:57,310 --> 05:20:07,090
that, in 12 months or something like that, after registration of this new parcel, it's

2358
05:20:07,090 --> 05:20:15,750
news to us, but we have independent access and are prepared to develop that independent

2359
05:20:15,750 --> 05:20:23,090
access, independent of the former easement that used to service and access this site.

2360
05:20:24,590 --> 05:20:25,750
Thank you, Mr. Paltry.

2361
05:20:25,890 --> 05:20:26,730
I'm just to administration.

2362
05:20:27,010 --> 05:20:27,710
I'm not that...

2363
05:20:27,710 --> 05:20:31,610
Is this an area I know in the Bersperios Structure Fund that we're trying to minimize

2364
05:20:31,610 --> 05:20:34,250
pad handles and there's already one here.

2365
05:20:34,410 --> 05:20:37,130
Is this one of those areas or does it not really matter?

2366
05:20:38,150 --> 05:20:39,090
Does I'm just thinking for...

2367
05:20:39,610 --> 05:20:42,230
For use, the pad handle seems to be...

2368
05:20:42,230 --> 05:20:45,550
It's there and it seems to put another pad handle in just...

2369
05:20:45,550 --> 05:20:47,390
I don't know if I could hear administration.

2370
05:20:52,890 --> 05:20:55,950
Through the chair to Councillor Wright, I...

2371
05:20:55,950 --> 05:21:04,430
don't believe that this parcel falls within an area structure plan, but the minimum

2372
05:21:04,430 --> 05:21:08,370
panel size as per our engineering servicing standards is 12 and a half

2373
05:21:08,370 --> 05:21:13,690
meters, so if it were to be a panel not a county road, it would have to be a

2374
05:21:13,690 --> 05:21:18,970
minimum of that that way. Okay, do you want to do this currently?

2375
05:21:21,410 --> 05:21:23,390
I believe the existing

2376
05:21:23,390 --> 05:21:27,490
panel to the north on the separate property is 12 and a half as well.

2377
05:21:31,120 --> 05:21:32,340
Okay, thanks.

2378
05:21:32,760 --> 05:21:32,840
I

2379
05:21:37,960 --> 05:21:40,380
have any more questions for the applicant.

2380
05:21:44,170 --> 05:21:44,650
Seeing none,

2381
05:21:47,070 --> 05:21:48,850
we did not receive any

2382
05:21:48,850 --> 05:21:51,530
letters in our packages that I'm aware of.

2383
05:21:54,010 --> 05:21:55,890
Mr. Andreas and did receive any

2384
05:21:55,890 --> 05:22:01,630
pre-recorded audio or video presentations in support. To the chair we did not

2385
05:22:01,630 --> 05:22:06,570
receive any pre-recorded presentations in support. We received any pre-recorded audio or

2386
05:22:06,570 --> 05:22:10,030
video presentations in opposition. Through the chair we do not receive any

2387
05:22:10,030 --> 05:22:15,290
in opposition either. All right we will now make the final call for email

2388
05:22:15,290 --> 05:22:22,990
submissions both in support or opposition and we'll give five minutes from 22

2389
05:22:22,990 --> 05:22:26,650
minutes after two or

2390
05:22:29,020 --> 05:22:32,080
these submissions to come in and again you can send those

2391
05:22:32,080 --> 05:22:35,720
to public hearings at rockiview.ca.

2392
05:22:36,120 --> 05:22:37,540
We will stand at ease for five minutes.

2393
05:22:38,000 --> 05:22:38,140
We

2394
05:28:22,620 --> 05:28:24,760
receive any email submissions.

2395
05:28:26,080 --> 05:28:28,980
To the chair, we do have one in support and one in opposition.

2396
05:28:29,560 --> 05:28:32,000
So like last time, we will package those, distribute them,

2397
05:28:32,440 --> 05:28:33,360
and take a recess.

2398
05:28:33,680 --> 05:28:36,950
Okay, and do poetry are you online?

2399
05:28:41,750 --> 05:28:42,110
Yes, sir.

2400
05:28:42,450 --> 05:28:46,070
Yes, so you can expect to see an email regarding

2401
05:28:47,110 --> 05:28:49,190
these letters that were received,

2402
05:28:49,190 --> 05:28:55,190
and you will be given an opportunity to rebut anything you read in opposition or will you look for

2403
05:28:55,190 --> 05:29:03,030
that please. That will come as informed of an email. I believe an email with a link. Is that correct?

2404
05:29:03,710 --> 05:29:13,710
Yes and you click on the link and it should take you to a county web page that you can all click again and get the letters.

2405
05:29:13,710 --> 05:29:18,150
Thank you.

2406
05:29:20,480 --> 05:29:22,180
We'll recess for another five minutes.

2407
05:34:53,650 --> 05:35:00,410
No, just joking. Not received them. They do very much. And I had a chance to review them. We

2408
05:35:00,410 --> 05:35:07,890
thank the bells for their letter of support. And commenting regarding the God's keys.

2409
05:35:11,530 --> 05:35:12,130
And

2410
05:35:12,130 --> 05:35:18,830
essentially, they're talking about and speaking to the issue of the existing panhandle and access

2411
05:35:18,830 --> 05:35:27,630
a ceasement across that panhandle on the north. This was created by them and for them during

2412
05:35:27,630 --> 05:35:35,630
the creation of this lot that we're speaking to today. As a result of their application

2413
05:35:36,220 --> 05:35:41,230
when their subdivision was created, I believe it was in 2018. I'm correct me if I'm wrong,

2414
05:35:41,230 --> 05:35:50,390
but I think it was around then, it decommodated the subdivision then, in our opinion, it makes

2415
05:35:50,390 --> 05:36:00,610
sense to continue with that access to provide access to the existing residents. Of course,

2416
05:36:00,710 --> 05:36:07,310
new residents would be accessed on the one that we're proposing to the south. It would just make

2417
05:36:07,310 --> 05:36:13,010
more sense and I think accommodate everybody better in general if that were to be the case.

2418
05:36:13,870 --> 05:36:22,050
But we understand their concerns and have made provision for legal access to the South

2419
05:36:22,050 --> 05:36:29,910
if we're forced into that situation. But of course we'd like to maintain the existing access

2420
05:36:29,910 --> 05:36:37,390
for a bunch of reasons. For convenience, for cost, for all kinds of things to get to the existing

2421
05:36:37,390 --> 05:36:46,190
residents there, the primary residents. So that essentially, looking at their letter, they're

2422
05:36:46,190 --> 05:36:51,550
not opposed to this subdivision. They just have an issue with respect to the access. And those are my

2423
05:36:51,550 --> 05:36:58,070
comments with respect to his letter. If you have any questions, I'm happy to see if we can answer them.

2424
05:36:59,920 --> 05:37:01,000
Thank you.

2425
05:37:01,180 --> 05:37:06,520
That was the time for questions for the applicant or administration, final questions.

2426
05:37:12,150 --> 05:37:13,190
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2427
05:37:13,610 --> 05:37:14,530
I'm sorry.

2428
05:37:14,750 --> 05:37:20,550
I'm kind of off in Disneyland today, and I'm not seeing the separation here.

2429
05:37:21,010 --> 05:37:26,670
It looks to me like we're redesignated the entire property, and then it'll come in the subdivision

2430
05:37:26,670 --> 05:37:31,210
down the road to show a different law configuration, or is that what we're doing?

2431
05:37:31,210 --> 05:37:37,470
I wonder, and I'm going by the letter of opposition said the proposed lot to and I don't

2432
05:37:37,470 --> 05:37:43,290
see anything that even in the bylaw that regards any definition of lot one or lot two.

2433
05:37:44,690 --> 05:37:46,910
I must be missing something, sorry.

2434
05:37:48,770 --> 05:37:53,350
Through the review to Councillor Belkey, the application today is to redesign the entirety

2435
05:37:53,350 --> 05:37:55,370
of the subject parcel which is the six acres.

2436
05:37:55,950 --> 05:38:00,030
Subdivision would be haunted in the future should the applicant wish to make that application

2437
05:38:00,030 --> 05:38:00,970
to the Planning Commission.

2438
05:38:05,410 --> 05:38:12,490
So, yeah, just to build on Mr. Cox's statement, so where the confusion may have come is

2439
05:38:12,490 --> 05:38:18,110
that concurrent to this application, the applicant has also submitted, I believe, a subdivision

2440
05:38:18,110 --> 05:38:22,730
application, so we would have circulated that so the applicant, so the neighbor may have

2441
05:38:22,730 --> 05:38:28,550
been getting this item confused with the subdivision that's still in process, which would

2442
05:38:28,550 --> 05:38:32,870
only be brought to a planning commission should re-designation be approved today.

2443
05:38:36,710 --> 05:38:37,050
Thank you.

2444
05:38:37,190 --> 05:38:45,050
I still have an understanding of is there going to be a separation here and wouldn't it

2445
05:38:45,050 --> 05:38:46,650
show up on a re-designation?

2446
05:38:47,750 --> 05:38:50,430
Sorry, I'm kind of thick today.

2447
05:38:50,910 --> 05:38:51,030
Sorry.

2448
05:38:51,690 --> 05:38:55,890
Through the chair, the proposed re-designation, yes, is for the whole parcel.

2449
05:38:55,890 --> 05:39:02,270
There have been instances where we've shown the potential subdivision on the by-law,

2450
05:39:02,370 --> 05:39:06,970
but we're still working through that exact alignment with the applicant through the subdivision

2451
05:39:06,970 --> 05:39:07,290
process.

2452
05:39:08,170 --> 05:39:08,610
Got it.

2453
05:39:08,770 --> 05:39:09,090
Thank you.

2454
05:39:09,750 --> 05:39:10,530
Councillor Kissel.

2455
05:39:11,970 --> 05:39:15,590
Thank you, through the read Division 9, Councillor Kissel.

2456
05:39:16,900 --> 05:39:23,950
To the applicant, if the letter of opposition is very clear, it's based on use of their

2457
05:39:23,950 --> 05:39:27,510
world. And if this is approved today

2458
05:39:29,850 --> 05:39:33,370
and you know they're on this

2459
05:39:33,370 --> 05:39:37,510
sold are you prepared at that time to immediately change over access, build

2460
05:39:37,510 --> 05:39:42,090
a new access into this property because that itself lends a problem if you

2461
05:39:42,090 --> 05:39:42,710
have no access.

2462
05:39:46,620 --> 05:39:52,960
Through the chair to Councillor Kessel. Yeah, I mean, obviously we've

2463
05:39:52,960 --> 05:39:58,700
provided legal and future physical access to both parcels.

2464
05:39:59,360 --> 05:40:02,160
We've made adequate provision for that.

2465
05:40:03,780 --> 05:40:06,720
And as stated before, we prefer to keep

2466
05:40:06,720 --> 05:40:09,240
the existing easement on the north.

2467
05:40:09,640 --> 05:40:14,780
But for the reasons already mentioned and clarified,

2468
05:40:14,800 --> 05:40:18,080
but if push comes to shove, of course,

2469
05:40:18,080 --> 05:40:28,500
we would accommodate our entire self-access options, right? Internal access

2470
05:40:28,500 --> 05:40:30,580
options entirely on this health.

2471
05:40:35,430 --> 05:40:36,550
Thank you. Councilor Wright.

2472
05:40:40,010 --> 05:40:45,150
I think I'm with Councilor Belky on this one. It is rather confusing.

2473
05:40:47,490 --> 05:40:49,110
The whole

2474
05:40:49,110 --> 05:40:56,050
lot is the one, if you go on where the circulation map is, it's 1-8-1-1-6-3. It's that whole

2475
05:40:56,050 --> 05:40:59,610
parcel and we're just asking to take out the six acres. Is that correct?

2476
05:41:02,580 --> 05:41:03,340
Because I got

2477
05:41:03,340 --> 05:41:06,840
confused with the lot in road map where the yellow line isn't in the middle. I thought we

2478
05:41:06,840 --> 05:41:13,380
were dividing it there. So, I think we'll admit that I've been very thick on this one.

2479
05:41:20,490 --> 05:41:20,690
No,

2480
05:41:20,990 --> 05:41:24,970
okay. I've not got that wrong entirely because then if that showing is those being the

2481
05:41:24,970 --> 05:41:29,610
the opposition at the very back, then what are we, what are we, yeah, what's happening?

2482
05:41:34,250 --> 05:41:42,010
Thank you, Mr. Reeve. Through the Reeve to, sorry, Councillor Wright. This is Logan Cox with Planning and Development Services.

2483
05:41:42,230 --> 05:41:47,050
So the map that you see here is the adjacent landowner circulation map. This, if they highlighted black area,

2484
05:41:47,250 --> 05:41:52,350
here is the entire six acres that Councillors asked to redesign by the applicant with today's application.

2485
05:41:52,350 --> 05:42:01,150
As part of the fragmented quarter policy, the policy requires that future subdivision and

2486
05:42:01,150 --> 05:42:06,810
road networks be shown as part of an application so that this administration can ensure that

2487
05:42:06,810 --> 05:42:11,530
this application won't impact other landowners in the area and it doesn't create a worse

2488
05:42:11,530 --> 05:42:14,390
road network planning situation.

2489
05:42:15,510 --> 05:42:21,150
So what the applicant has shown here is a possible configuration of their lot with it cut in

2490
05:42:21,150 --> 05:42:26,390
virtual half. It doesn't show sizing here. So this is a possible application for

2491
05:42:26,390 --> 05:42:30,410
subdivision in the future. The applicant does have an existing application with

2492
05:42:30,410 --> 05:42:34,810
administration or subdivision of this law, but it has not been finalized. They're

2493
05:42:34,810 --> 05:42:39,070
brought to the Municipal Planning Commission. So today council is just looking at

2494
05:42:39,070 --> 05:42:43,090
redesignating everything in the red box, which is the entire six acres, which is the

2495
05:42:43,090 --> 05:42:48,250
entirety of today's subject parcel. And so just for clarification we're just all

2496
05:42:48,250 --> 05:42:54,110
are asking for is an RRERR, we are a little bit district to an R Country Residential District,

2497
05:42:54,330 --> 05:42:54,550
correct?

2498
05:42:57,180 --> 05:42:59,900
Through the Reef to Councillor Wright that is correct.

2499
05:43:00,940 --> 05:43:04,100
Okay, so I was looking for it to be divided in half, and that's why I thought I was going

2500
05:43:04,100 --> 05:43:07,260
to say, and how I'll have the same lot number so it was very confusing, thank you.

2501
05:43:07,960 --> 05:43:12,920
Yeah, and so if I could help Councillor Wright, what Mr. Cox says is exactly right, they're

2502
05:43:12,920 --> 05:43:19,600
just going for a redesignation today, but what Mr. McClain alluded to previous, there's

2503
05:43:19,600 --> 05:43:27,020
In the picture you can see in your screen, there's the yellow line and that subdivision or split is proposed for the future.

2504
05:43:28,200 --> 05:43:32,400
Right, that's the Lawton Road Plan. Yeah, but I was thinking if that was they were dividing it up.

2505
05:43:32,480 --> 05:43:37,500
It's almost like going from an R2 to an R1 but getting my head around that for some reason wasn't working so much.

2506
05:43:40,280 --> 05:43:42,300
Thank you very much.

2507
05:43:43,060 --> 05:43:43,760
Thank you.

2508
05:43:46,040 --> 05:43:47,000
Do you have any more questions?

2509
05:43:53,860 --> 05:43:57,860
I will entertain a motion.

2510
05:44:06,800 --> 05:44:08,720
Um, uh, motion to close the hearing.

2511
05:44:11,720 --> 05:44:13,060
Post the hearing by

2512
05:44:15,580 --> 05:44:16,180
exception.

2513
05:44:16,620 --> 05:44:17,540
Anyone opposed?

2514
05:44:18,500 --> 05:44:19,340
Seeing none?

2515
05:44:19,980 --> 05:44:20,820
Motion carries.

2516
05:44:22,080 --> 05:44:23,040
Counselor Schuyl.

2517
05:44:27,070 --> 05:44:29,570
I could see the motion on the board.

2518
05:44:30,050 --> 05:44:31,810
It's not it can read it off the screen here.

2519
05:44:34,040 --> 05:44:34,640
Here we go.

2520
05:44:34,960 --> 05:44:35,100
Yeah.

2521
05:44:35,100 --> 05:44:42,500
I'll move that by last C68044, 2020 be amended in accordance with the

2522
05:44:42,500 --> 05:44:46,840
attachment C, and I just want to remind everybody not to confuse the sub-Asian

2523
05:44:46,840 --> 05:44:49,140
and disillusionary designation. Thank you.

2524
05:44:51,890 --> 05:44:56,030
Thanks for that, Councillor Hansen, and then the deputy.

2525
05:44:56,030 --> 05:44:59,970
I think point of clarification, I'd

2526
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:02,300
I believe you read the number wrong. I heard a six.

2527
05:45:07,930 --> 05:45:17,210
Well, repeated, if you like. I didn't think I did this. Yeah, I think I'll agree with Councillor Hanson. I heard a kind of something different than what was on the board as well.

2528
05:45:20,240 --> 05:45:35,020
Although with that balance, see 8044, 2020 be amended in accordance with the test and see. Thank you. So we have a motion on the floor. Do we have any debate or discussion?

2529
05:45:37,030 --> 05:45:38,910
Seeing none, I'll call the

2530
05:45:38,910 --> 05:45:43,770
question. I'm going to go backwards this time so that all the pressure is not on.

2531
05:45:44,990 --> 05:45:47,210
Councillor Kammache. Councillor Kessel.

2532
05:45:49,010 --> 05:45:51,310
And favor. Councillor Wright.

2533
05:45:52,350 --> 05:45:55,270
In favor. Councillor Belki. In favor.

2534
05:45:55,850 --> 05:45:56,710
Councillor Goetheau.

2535
05:45:59,440 --> 05:46:00,120
In favor.

2536
05:46:06,650 --> 05:46:07,090
In favor.

2537
05:46:07,950 --> 05:46:14,990
Councillor Hanson. I agree with the hockey draft methodology as best practice going forward.

2538
05:46:14,990 --> 05:46:16,650
in favor. Thank you.

2539
05:46:17,030 --> 05:46:17,970
Deputy Chief McIlar.

2540
05:46:18,510 --> 05:46:19,470
In favor.

2541
05:46:20,690 --> 05:46:21,490
Councillor Camacho.

2542
05:46:22,930 --> 05:46:23,490
In favor.

2543
05:46:24,490 --> 05:46:26,870
And Revan is in favor of the motion carries.

2544
05:46:28,330 --> 05:46:28,990
Councillor Schule.

2545
05:46:38,320 --> 05:46:45,920
By the C-8-044-2020, be given second reading as amended and I'm in favor.

2546
05:46:46,960 --> 05:46:47,880
Thank you.

2547
05:46:48,440 --> 05:46:49,040
Councillor Kissle.

2548
05:47:01,460 --> 05:47:04,320
Did you hear that? No.

2549
05:47:04,320 --> 05:47:08,140
in favor. Thank you. I heard that. Counselor right.

2550
05:47:11,740 --> 05:47:16,940
I'm having technical issues to it to come

2551
05:47:31,280 --> 05:47:31,800
back to

2552
05:47:31,800 --> 05:47:33,540
Councillor Wright, Councillor Belkey.

2553
05:47:34,800 --> 05:47:36,320
In favor.

2554
05:47:38,490 --> 05:47:39,390
Councillor Goetheau.

2555
05:47:40,190 --> 05:47:41,010
In favor.

2556
05:47:41,950 --> 05:47:43,150
Councillor Hansen.

2557
05:47:44,510 --> 05:47:45,270
In favor.

2558
05:47:46,110 --> 05:47:47,150
Deputy Chief McCoyler.

2559
05:47:48,270 --> 05:47:49,010
In favor.

2560
05:47:49,770 --> 05:47:50,870
Councillor Camacho.

2561
05:47:52,350 --> 05:47:52,830
In favor.

2562
05:47:53,310 --> 05:47:54,010
In favor.

2563
05:47:54,010 --> 05:47:54,930
In favor.

2564
05:47:54,930 --> 05:47:57,250
Councillor Wright, could we maybe get your vote one more time?

2565
05:47:58,430 --> 05:47:59,390
Thumbs up.

2566
05:47:59,550 --> 05:48:00,530
I'll call out an in favor.

2567
05:48:00,530 --> 05:48:03,090
and revended in favor of that motion carries.

2568
05:48:03,890 --> 05:48:04,470
Councillor Schule.

2569
05:48:09,400 --> 05:48:10,740
I could get it back in the board.

2570
05:48:16,920 --> 05:48:21,140
That by last C-8044-2020 be given third

2571
05:48:21,140 --> 05:48:22,580
in final reading as amended.

2572
05:48:23,120 --> 05:48:23,700
Thank you.

2573
05:48:24,200 --> 05:48:24,840
Councillor Kessel.

2574
05:48:26,300 --> 05:48:27,280
In favor of our opposed.

2575
05:48:28,760 --> 05:48:29,640
In favor.

2576
05:48:30,620 --> 05:48:31,460
Councillor Wright.

2577
05:48:39,790 --> 05:48:40,330
Councillor Belkey.

2578
05:48:41,410 --> 05:48:41,970
In favor.

2579
05:48:42,650 --> 05:48:43,650
Councillor Goetro.

2580
05:48:44,750 --> 05:48:45,350
In favor.

2581
05:48:45,810 --> 05:48:46,610
Councillor Schule.

2582
05:48:51,400 --> 05:49:06,490
in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor in favor

2583
05:49:06,490 --> 05:49:11,490
apologies I'm having to sign in and out constantly but hopefully I'll give you a thumbs up in case you can't hear me

2584
05:49:11,490 --> 05:49:17,450
thank you that motion carries and that application has been

2585
05:49:20,620 --> 05:49:23,020
So I missed a reaver you in favor. I didn't hear you

2586
05:49:24,380 --> 05:49:28,040
Good catch. Yeah, I'm the only one without a check mark. Yes, I am in favor.

2587
05:49:30,200 --> 05:49:31,440
Thank you counsel. Good trove

2588
05:49:32,440 --> 05:49:34,880
All right, we will now go to

2589
05:49:38,500 --> 05:49:39,840
Camera items if

2590
05:49:53,950 --> 05:49:54,310
we get

2591
05:49:55,710 --> 05:50:00,090
We need separate motions for each or do them all at once

2592
05:50:00,510 --> 05:50:05,250
Through the chair Tyla and Jason Clark. I believe we can do all three of these all at once and go in camera

2593
05:50:13,040 --> 05:50:19,460
Thank you. I'd like to move that Council, let Council move into closed session to consider

2594
05:50:19,460 --> 05:50:24,800
the following confidential items under the following sections of the Freedom of Information

2595
05:50:24,800 --> 05:50:30,680
and Protection of Privacy Act, and one across our mills meter update section 16 disclosure

2596
05:50:30,680 --> 05:50:35,820
closure harmful to business interests of a third party, section 24 advised from officials.

2597
05:50:36,420 --> 05:50:42,080
M2, spring bank land acquisition, section 24 advised from officials, section 25,

2598
05:50:42,220 --> 05:50:47,520
disclosure harmful to economic or other interests of a third party, M4, spring bank community

2599
05:50:47,520 --> 05:50:53,380
association funding request for expert third party analysis of the SR1 project for risk, section

2600
05:50:53,380 --> 05:50:58,820
21 disclosure harmful to intergovernmental relations, section 24 advised from officials.

2601
05:51:00,380 --> 05:51:01,080
Thank you.

2602
05:51:01,820 --> 05:51:03,980
The motion on the floor, councilor Goetheau.

2603
05:51:04,800 --> 05:51:05,420
Thank you.

2604
05:51:05,460 --> 05:51:07,480
This is more, I support the motion.

2605
05:51:07,640 --> 05:51:11,740
However, I'm having a hard time finding any reports where they sent out to us in a different

2606
05:51:11,740 --> 05:51:13,280
cover because I can't find them anywhere.

2607
05:51:14,080 --> 05:51:15,340
They were not.

2608
05:51:15,560 --> 05:51:19,520
I don't believe we, do we send out in camera stuff ahead of time?

2609
05:51:20,240 --> 05:51:22,400
Through the chair to council.

2610
05:51:22,680 --> 05:51:28,580
So if we recall back to pre-COVID when we were doing closed sessions in person,

2611
05:51:28,580 --> 05:51:34,920
We would bring the reports to the closed session, paper copies, retrieve them, shred them.

2612
05:51:35,540 --> 05:51:45,680
Now that we moved into closed sessions, we haven't been distributing those ahead of time because the presentations are given in closed session by the report writers.

2613
05:51:50,060 --> 05:51:51,920
That answer your question, Councillor Grotrault.

2614
05:51:52,740 --> 05:51:54,940
Thank you, Mr. Rebius.

2615
05:51:54,940 --> 05:52:02,720
Okay, by exception, anyone opposed to the motion being none, we are in camera.

2616
07:27:35,310 --> 07:27:37,630
Would you like to make a motion to come out of in-camera?

2617
07:28:01,680 --> 07:28:31,280
That administration be authorized to execute the settlement agreements with Ivan Hope Cambridge as discussed in the closed session. Can we do them all through the chair? We could, unless there's an objection in the councilor could ask to separate. That administration be directed to prepare a policy adjustment for policy C-406 and that administration provide cross iron mills, mall, a credit per by-law C.

2618
07:28:36,280 --> 07:28:39,740
We have a complete motion on the floor,

2619
07:28:46,420 --> 07:28:48,020
non-question

2620
07:28:52,150 --> 07:28:56,010
-kissle, in favor or opposed?

2621
07:28:57,110 --> 07:28:57,570
In favor.

2622
07:28:57,990 --> 07:28:59,980
Is there right?

2623
07:29:03,080 --> 07:29:03,500
In favor.

2624
07:29:06,740 --> 07:29:07,300
In favor.

2625
07:29:07,860 --> 07:29:08,960
Is there gocho?

2626
07:29:09,840 --> 07:29:10,840
In favor?

2627
07:29:11,360 --> 07:29:12,420
Councillor Schule.

2628
07:29:15,130 --> 07:29:15,750
In favor.

2629
07:29:18,430 --> 07:29:19,030
In favor?

2630
07:29:22,390 --> 07:29:23,210
In favor.

2631
07:29:24,090 --> 07:29:24,810
In favor.

2632
07:29:24,810 --> 07:29:29,630
Camachi in favor and revenge into

2633
07:29:34,400 --> 07:29:40,640
item M2 land acquisition will

2634
07:29:44,380 --> 07:29:45,480
have to direct

2635
07:29:45,480 --> 07:29:52,960
administration on which motion they'd you'd like to see put up you

2636
07:29:56,380 --> 07:29:57,260
have them both

2637
07:29:57,260 --> 07:29:57,580
there.

2638
07:30:06,670 --> 07:30:30,810
Go ahead, Councilor Hanson. And just to, I'm in general agreement of the direction I had it, but I think it's just slightly premature and we need to do a little better due diligence. So I just like to table the whole motion and have us revisit again within two regular council meetings as

2639
07:30:33,340 --> 07:30:38,920
soon as possible. But okay. There's a motion on the board, Councilor Hanson. Is that satisfactory?

2640
07:30:39,960 --> 07:30:46,880
Yeah, I'd like to move that this item be tabled and the administration be directed to arrange a workshop with council by mid-March 2021.

2641
07:30:49,140 --> 07:30:51,840
Thank you. Do we have any debate?

2642
07:30:54,210 --> 07:30:54,830
Table in motion.

2643
07:30:55,050 --> 07:30:58,690
I'm sorry. You're right. Yep. It's a table in motion. No debate. I'll call the question.

2644
07:31:01,410 --> 07:31:02,290
Councilor Kessel.

2645
07:31:02,290 --> 07:31:03,830
And favour?

2646
07:31:04,750 --> 07:31:05,650
Councilor Wright.

2647
07:31:06,730 --> 07:31:07,470
In favour?

2648
07:31:08,290 --> 07:31:09,190
Revelky.

2649
07:31:09,870 --> 07:31:10,990
Sorry, Councilor Belky.

2650
07:31:12,070 --> 07:31:13,110
I'm getting tired.

2651
07:31:15,240 --> 07:31:16,140
I'm opposed.

2652
07:31:17,940 --> 07:31:18,820
Councilor Gocho?

2653
07:31:20,970 --> 07:31:21,550
I'm opposed.

2654
07:31:23,050 --> 07:31:24,210
Councilor Schuyl.

2655
07:31:26,070 --> 07:31:26,370
Opposed?

2656
07:31:29,030 --> 07:31:29,630
We're Hansen.

2657
07:31:30,650 --> 07:31:31,350
In favour?

2658
07:31:32,810 --> 07:31:33,890
Deputy MacArthur.

2659
07:31:35,150 --> 07:31:35,770
Opposed?

2660
07:31:54,280 --> 07:31:55,000
I

2661
07:31:59,610 --> 07:32:14,890
know there was a request to see some documentation or some studies from previous work that was done on this, so could we look at a motion to

2662
07:32:14,890 --> 07:32:26,950
to provide those documents or whatever information to the counselors that desire them and follow

2663
07:32:26,950 --> 07:32:36,070
up say within a two week period and have this item brought back to council. Is that reasonable

2664
07:32:36,070 --> 07:32:36,430
or?

2665
07:32:37,170 --> 07:32:39,430
So when you say documents, do you mean the business plan?

2666
07:32:40,570 --> 07:32:40,730
Yes.

2667
07:32:40,730 --> 07:33:04,530
Well, it was the business plan, it was also some previous reports that were done on the subject matter before, by other councils and so and those studies are available through administration and they be forwarded to council and so if we can maybe just take a second here and we can.

2668
07:33:04,530 --> 07:33:06,930
Councillor McCullough, do you have a motion ready?

2669
07:33:08,470 --> 07:33:10,550
I'm sorry, I might have overstepped you.

2670
07:33:12,670 --> 07:33:18,670
Deputy McCullough, so you see, Councillor Belk is getting tired too.

2671
07:33:20,170 --> 07:33:20,710
Thank you.

2672
07:33:21,290 --> 07:33:25,790
I don't have a motion ready.

2673
07:33:26,570 --> 07:33:30,190
I would be prepared to move forward with option one.

2674
07:33:30,190 --> 07:33:36,870
I think that that's the preliminary step and I think everything else will come to us as a result of that first step.

2675
07:33:38,050 --> 07:33:46,950
Again, nothing is done. It's just a step forward and everything else after this is supposed subject to council approval.

2676
07:33:47,210 --> 07:33:54,930
So I'm not too certain here why I would go ahead with motion one.

2677
07:33:54,930 --> 07:34:00,190
So if I can read that in, I guess we can debate it to the best of our ability.

2678
07:34:04,470 --> 07:34:06,330
If you wouldn't mind, that would be great.

2679
07:34:08,450 --> 07:34:09,170
Thank you.

2680
07:34:09,670 --> 07:34:15,190
That the Springbank Land Acquisition Confidential Business Plan be approved and that administration

2681
07:34:15,190 --> 07:34:21,690
be directed to follow the mandate outlined in Confidential Report, RVC-2021-05.

2682
07:34:25,210 --> 07:34:25,630
Thank you.

2683
07:34:25,630 --> 07:34:26,550
Just

2684
07:34:32,050 --> 07:34:40,010
a quick question, does this motion address the document going into public at this time?

2685
07:34:51,940 --> 07:34:52,540
Chair to council.

2686
07:34:54,040 --> 07:35:01,480
Through the Chair to council, so as those documents were distributed in closed session and

2687
07:35:01,480 --> 07:35:07,520
you council held closed session, they would be considered confidential unless

2688
07:35:07,520 --> 07:35:11,520
Council would pass the resolution to authorize that they be released publicly.

2689
07:35:13,620 --> 07:35:14,540
Okay, thank you.

2690
07:35:18,440 --> 07:35:19,060
Councilor Wright.

2691
07:35:24,600 --> 07:35:29,600
Councilor Wright, Division 8, that's not what we were advised in the back room, so now I'm really confused.

2692
07:35:33,180 --> 07:35:41,060
So my understanding is yes, because the motion says confidential that the document should stay confidential.

2693
07:35:43,300 --> 07:35:48,600
I guess it being released to Mr. Hogan, so is Mr. Hogan online?

2694
07:35:49,960 --> 07:35:51,020
Yes, he is.

2695
07:35:51,460 --> 07:35:53,560
He's probably way better at this than I am Mr. Hogan.

2696
07:35:54,580 --> 07:35:57,100
Good afternoon, and thank you, Mr. Remember, the Council.

2697
07:35:57,280 --> 07:36:03,500
If the new motion indicates that it's confidential document, then that will protect its confidentiality.

2698
07:36:03,600 --> 07:36:10,300
The original motion that we looked at in closed session did not necessarily protect the confidentiality.

2699
07:36:10,300 --> 07:36:15,620
But if the new motion has confidential written into the motion, then that will protect that document.

2700
07:36:19,340 --> 07:36:19,920
Councillor Kessel.

2701
07:36:23,550 --> 07:36:29,570
Councillor Belkis, eluded to the fact that we could have more information that would be sent out.

2702
07:36:29,690 --> 07:36:31,310
And this motion would not get us that.

2703
07:36:32,790 --> 07:36:37,590
And the fact that there's people that still would like more information before we make this

2704
07:36:37,590 --> 07:36:42,110
decision, I think that's what the tabling motion was for.

2705
07:36:42,110 --> 07:36:49,110
but at the same time as written I can't support it because it doesn't give

2706
07:36:49,110 --> 07:36:53,790
direction to administration to give us any information. We're just simply

2707
07:36:53,790 --> 07:36:59,070
saying yep go ahead and I can't support that. I do not believe we'll have done

2708
07:36:59,070 --> 07:37:00,530
our due diligence at this point.

2709
07:37:13,160 --> 07:37:18,480
For Hanson but to Councillor Kessel, could we find some happy ground through an

2710
07:37:18,480 --> 07:37:20,280
amendment to the motion on the floor?

2711
07:37:21,980 --> 07:37:24,440
Absolutely, can you put the motion up?

2712
07:37:35,130 --> 07:37:45,090
We could, the administration be directed to provide counsel with the information as

2713
07:37:45,090 --> 07:37:46,050
asked in

2714
07:37:50,020 --> 07:37:51,380
the in-calibre.

2715
07:37:54,790 --> 07:38:01,910
Oops, Mr. Andreessen, just maybe like to see sort of it as a separate, separate motion

2716
07:38:01,910 --> 07:38:06,050
to the first part, through the chair to counsel.

2717
07:38:06,050 --> 07:38:17,150
So, on this one, we may need to do a withdrawal and do a different motion, because I'm judging

2718
07:38:17,150 --> 07:38:22,430
from the wording now, this motion is being, in my opinion, changed quite significantly,

2719
07:38:23,190 --> 07:38:24,530
but that's a ruling of the chair.

2720
07:38:27,080 --> 07:38:28,220
That's fine with me.

2721
07:38:31,700 --> 07:38:35,140
So that would go back to Deputy Reeve McCutter.

2722
07:38:35,700 --> 07:38:37,880
Would you be interested in withdrawing your motion?

2723
07:38:40,190 --> 07:38:40,510
No?

2724
07:38:41,910 --> 07:38:45,410
Okay, that's a sound to do because pretty definite answer to me.

2725
07:38:48,350 --> 07:38:53,890
So basically we're out of stand still here because part of council would like more information

2726
07:38:53,890 --> 07:38:57,850
before we make any decision and the motion on the table will not allow for that.

2727
07:38:58,110 --> 07:39:05,790
So I guess we rely on council to make the right decision and you need to oppose it so we

2728
07:39:05,790 --> 07:39:07,690
can actually get the information we need.

2729
07:39:08,810 --> 07:39:12,610
Yes, so there's a motion on the floor, Councillor Belkey.

2730
07:39:13,050 --> 07:39:17,490
Could I make a request to sever the motions and then we can add a motion through

2731
07:39:20,560 --> 07:39:21,020
the chair?

2732
07:39:21,920 --> 07:39:24,240
Yes, we could sever these two.

2733
07:39:25,100 --> 07:39:29,660
I think we still have to consider these two before we would consider an additional one.

2734
07:39:30,640 --> 07:39:35,900
Okay, so we could make a motion after this to just get the request to the information to

2735
07:39:35,900 --> 07:39:36,240
council.

2736
07:39:37,140 --> 07:39:37,840
Okay, thank you.

2737
07:39:37,840 --> 07:39:38,680
Okay.

2738
07:39:42,560 --> 07:39:43,840
We have a motion on the floor.

2739
07:39:46,420 --> 07:39:50,880
I see no further lights or hands to debate. So I

2740
07:39:50,880 --> 07:39:53,940
will call a question. Can we get the motion up, please?

2741
07:40:12,440 --> 07:40:17,900
So through the Chair, I have Andreessen Clark. As requested by Councillor Belkey, these two

2742
07:40:17,900 --> 07:40:21,900
were read in command, but we'll just be voting on the highlighted motion.

2743
07:40:24,860 --> 07:40:27,940
Okay. So I will call a question on the first.

2744
07:40:31,440 --> 07:40:33,560
I should withdraw that because if I can add

2745
07:40:33,560 --> 07:40:36,540
motion arising after I will. Sorry.

2746
07:40:45,290 --> 07:40:49,410
Okay, we have a motion on, so we have the full motion on the

2747
07:40:49,410 --> 07:40:55,470
floor, is that right? Through the chair, unless a different Councillor wishes to sever the motion,

2748
07:40:55,710 --> 07:41:03,910
we could go back to voting on these combined. Okay. I don't see anybody putting their hands up

2749
07:41:03,910 --> 07:41:07,490
to sever these. So we'll I'll call the question.

2750
07:41:11,000 --> 07:41:15,540
Kiss on opposed. Councilor Raid.

2751
07:41:17,240 --> 07:41:18,920
With no information opposed.

2752
07:41:20,200 --> 07:41:28,200
Councilor Belkey. In favor. Councilor Goodtrow. In favor because we received the information.

2753
07:41:29,180 --> 07:41:30,300
Councillor Schuill.

2754
07:41:39,160 --> 07:41:41,100
I didn't hear a vote from Councillor Schuill.

2755
07:41:45,510 --> 07:41:46,050
Any favor?

2756
07:41:47,150 --> 07:41:47,730
There you go.

2757
07:41:48,430 --> 07:41:49,110
Any comments on?

2758
07:41:49,450 --> 07:41:50,250
Okay, there you go.

2759
07:41:51,030 --> 07:41:55,950
And with other studies and engineering information, not other finger tips here, I'm opposed.

2760
07:41:59,000 --> 07:42:00,160
Could Deputy McIner?

2761
07:42:00,880 --> 07:42:01,700
Any favor?

2762
07:42:03,040 --> 07:42:04,000
Councillor Kamachi.

2763
07:42:07,490 --> 07:42:12,690
I just think that it has always been their part in terms of due diligence, so I'm in

2764
07:42:12,690 --> 07:42:13,050
favor.

2765
07:42:13,050 --> 07:42:13,750
I

2766
07:42:18,680 --> 07:42:22,100
am in favour of that motion carries.

2767
07:42:30,760 --> 07:42:32,320
And then regarding we missed

2768
07:42:37,020 --> 07:42:38,120
Councillor Belkey.

2769
07:42:38,620 --> 07:42:38,860
Thank you.

2770
07:42:39,080 --> 07:42:46,480
I'll make a motion arising that the information requested by Council on previous studies to

2771
07:42:47,160 --> 07:42:51,660
lands discussed in camera be distributed to Council.

2772
07:43:00,580 --> 07:43:07,850
I would try to Council Belkey if you would mind carrying on with what's on the board there

2773
07:43:07,850 --> 07:43:08,490
for us.

2774
07:43:11,630 --> 07:43:22,310
that the information requested by Council of previous studies on the land's discussed

2775
07:43:22,310 --> 07:43:23,210
in-camera,

2776
07:43:30,720 --> 07:43:31,760
in close session, OK?

2777
07:43:32,160 --> 07:43:33,140
Be distributed

2778
07:43:39,340 --> 07:43:44,660
councillors or two councillors,

2779
07:43:48,300 --> 07:43:48,840
there we go.

2780
07:43:49,320 --> 07:43:49,460
Thanks.

2781
07:43:55,530 --> 07:43:56,730
OK, very good.

2782
07:44:00,260 --> 07:44:01,700
So we have a motion on the floor.

2783
07:44:03,360 --> 07:44:08,090
any discussion or debate, calls for Hanson.

2784
07:44:09,870 --> 07:44:14,150
That's a little bit like the horse is out of the barn and now you want to close the door.

2785
07:44:14,410 --> 07:44:18,910
So it'll be nice to have the information, but basically the administration has their mandate.

2786
07:44:20,610 --> 07:44:27,090
And I'm not sure what the point of this was really, but I'm hungry for information.

2787
07:44:27,410 --> 07:44:29,890
So I would like to see these previous reports.

2788
07:44:29,890 --> 07:44:37,550
and I think that'll help evaluate whether the extensive business plan when we

2789
07:44:37,550 --> 07:44:44,800
were reviewed in 20 minutes is a good piece of work or not. Thank you Councilor

2790
07:44:44,800 --> 07:44:49,540
Bellke. Thank you well a little explanation then is the motions that were

2791
07:44:49,540 --> 07:44:57,520
passed previously authorized administration to go out and investigate and they

2792
07:44:57,520 --> 07:44:59,760
come back and council is bound to nothing.

2793
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:09,120
So, here you'll get your information before that comes back, and we'll be able to make knowledgeable decisions.

2794
07:45:12,040 --> 07:45:23,180
Councillor Kessel. Thank you, through the reef. I'd like to thank Councillor Belki for bringing this forward. I think this is important information. I hope I'll

2795
07:45:25,970 --> 07:45:28,770
actually read it. We can make a variance.

2796
07:45:31,080 --> 07:45:38,240
Very good. Any further discussion? I'll call the question on the motion.

2797
07:45:38,240 --> 07:45:38,360
the motion.

2798
07:45:39,320 --> 07:45:40,100
House clerk Kessel.

2799
07:45:40,720 --> 07:45:41,760
In favor.

2800
07:45:43,020 --> 07:45:44,020
Councillor Wright.

2801
07:45:45,140 --> 07:45:45,540
In favor.

2802
07:45:46,760 --> 07:45:47,880
Councillor Belkey.

2803
07:45:49,060 --> 07:45:49,400
In favor.

2804
07:45:50,000 --> 07:45:50,860
Councillor Goutro.

2805
07:45:54,690 --> 07:45:55,290
Councillor Schuyl.

2806
07:46:00,080 --> 07:46:00,500
Councillor Hanson.

2807
07:46:01,960 --> 07:46:02,520
In favor.

2808
07:46:03,360 --> 07:46:04,620
Deputy Chief MacKeyler.

2809
07:46:05,620 --> 07:46:06,380
In favor.

2810
07:46:07,060 --> 07:46:08,140
House clerk Kamachi.

2811
07:46:11,290 --> 07:46:11,810
In favor.

2812
07:46:12,910 --> 07:46:14,130
The event is in favor.

2813
07:46:17,280 --> 07:46:19,100
And that motion carries.

2814
07:46:21,400 --> 07:46:21,860
Excellent.

2815
07:46:21,860 --> 07:46:22,860
We want to

2816
07:46:26,000 --> 07:46:27,900
consider that item closed.

2817
07:46:28,640 --> 07:46:31,620
Now we move to our last-in-camera item,

2818
07:46:32,080 --> 07:46:35,580
and I think the term is we will rise without reporting.

2819
07:46:35,940 --> 07:46:36,480
There's no motion.

2820
07:46:41,030 --> 07:46:43,450
We now move on to going

2821
07:46:49,500 --> 07:46:52,260
to go to a counselor report section.

2822
07:46:52,860 --> 07:46:54,260
And I don't know if I should put this in

2823
07:46:54,260 --> 07:46:56,040
counselor reports or unfinished business,

2824
07:46:56,680 --> 07:47:00,860
but considering I made a bit of a mistake yesterday,

2825
07:47:00,860 --> 07:47:08,460
We went through the CMRB presentation from the consultant, and I really didn't get any

2826
07:47:08,460 --> 07:47:21,140
feedback from Council on sort of how we feel collectively, and I'd like some of Council's

2827
07:47:21,140 --> 07:47:28,120
input on sort of if you're happy with the approach we've taken so far,

2828
07:47:30,130 --> 07:47:31,950
any direction

2829
07:47:31,950 --> 07:47:39,300
on a different approach, and I'll just leave it at that, so do we have any discussion?

2830
07:47:40,800 --> 07:47:44,480
And it's not really on our approach, just what you heard yesterday and some input on

2831
07:47:44,480 --> 07:47:47,780
what we've heard, your concerns, how you'd like stuff dealt with.

2832
07:47:48,520 --> 07:47:49,880
I see Councillor Wright.

2833
07:47:55,560 --> 07:48:04,080
I found it quite enlightening, I think it shed a whole different light on things, it gave

2834
07:48:04,080 --> 07:48:10,480
a different perspective. I know that I had some concerns with the rules not being properly

2835
07:48:10,480 --> 07:48:18,060
referenced and I can understand a couple of our neighbors. But for us, I found that it

2836
07:48:18,060 --> 07:48:25,680
was, I don't know, it allows us to do what we've been trying to do all along unless of course

2837
07:48:25,680 --> 07:48:33,460
we're trying to change all of our ASPs. But it allows for development to occur within

2838
07:48:33,460 --> 07:48:49,760
existing ASPs, I like to move about the joint planning areas and the potential for the

2839
07:48:49,760 --> 07:48:56,360
densification and the air in ways that we've never even looked at, and I just thought by

2840
07:48:56,360 --> 07:49:01,780
a large, it was really informative and it answered a lot of questions for me.

2841
07:49:01,780 --> 07:49:06,400
So my question is other than I think with the answers that I received from Mr. Caldwell,

2842
07:49:06,520 --> 07:49:10,320
can just the answers from the other technical experts in Mr. Caldwell.

2843
07:49:11,820 --> 07:49:12,440
Thank you.

2844
07:49:12,800 --> 07:49:13,200
Councillor Belkey.

2845
07:49:13,860 --> 07:49:14,900
Thank you, through the chair.

2846
07:49:15,020 --> 07:49:21,740
Well, thank you for bringing this up because I think contrary to what we just heard, I think

2847
07:49:21,740 --> 07:49:26,060
the whole document is completely lacking on any forethought.

2848
07:49:26,060 --> 07:49:36,020
But there's a lot of scope creep in what the CMRB is doing, and the idea is being that

2849
07:49:36,020 --> 07:49:38,800
some of these policies don't work for Rocky View County.

2850
07:49:39,580 --> 07:49:48,460
And I believe that we should probably have a workshop scheduled in the near future before

2851
07:49:49,020 --> 07:49:53,380
this thing goes to Edmonton, and like who knows whether they're going to get an extension

2852
07:49:53,380 --> 07:50:06,380
or not, but and get administration to bring us the parts that are really, really anti-Rocky

2853
07:50:06,380 --> 07:50:16,900
view and will handcuff our growth and handcuff our autonomy and have a amendment set ready

2854
07:50:16,900 --> 07:50:17,260
to go.

2855
07:50:17,720 --> 07:50:22,340
I believe, quite frankly, the amendments, no matter what we do, are going to get beat, but

2856
07:50:22,340 --> 07:50:27,140
But at least then we can go to the Minister of Municipal Affairs without having to say

2857
07:50:27,140 --> 07:50:30,940
well, we supported it, and now we've got some problems with it.

2858
07:50:31,100 --> 07:50:37,680
I think now is the time to bring out the problems, and so I think we've got an opportunity

2859
07:50:37,680 --> 07:50:50,400
here to express the needs of our county, and the whole lack of a servicing policy, the governance

2860
07:50:50,400 --> 07:50:57,420
policy that they talk about as far as appeal mechanism, it's a Sasquatch, it's everybody

2861
07:50:57,420 --> 07:51:02,440
talks about them but nobody's seen it yet and the capital region is 11 I think going

2862
07:51:02,440 --> 07:51:07,800
on 12 years old and they still don't have an appeal mechanism there and if you read

2863
07:51:07,800 --> 07:51:14,660
the regulations over one of the and I think at 708.23 he says it should have been done

2864
07:51:14,660 --> 07:51:21,400
right at the start. So, this whole outfit isn't about good planning in the region, it's

2865
07:51:21,400 --> 07:51:29,260
not about sustainability, it's about controlling Calgary, or controlling the Rocky View by Calgary,

2866
07:51:29,420 --> 07:51:40,040
sorry. And the idea that we don't negotiate and that it opens up and it'll get people talking,

2867
07:51:40,040 --> 07:51:44,060
We talked now. We got over a hundred meter of municipal agreements with our neighbors.

2868
07:51:45,720 --> 07:51:56,000
We are a poster child of agreement. And if you come to us instead of sitting on the sidelines chewing on our heels come to us and tell us what

2869
07:51:56,000 --> 07:51:58,460
issues are we work on them. So

2870
07:51:59,580 --> 07:52:01,920
we get painted with a bad brush and

2871
07:52:02,500 --> 07:52:09,480
this is probably one of the, this is worse than the Calgary Regional Partnership Plan because they're at least there

2872
07:52:09,480 --> 07:52:14,280
they had some semblance of a plan. Here they have an outline and you're supposed to go away

2873
07:52:14,280 --> 07:52:23,080
with these GPAs, for example, and joint planning areas and do a concept plan up with two of our

2874
07:52:23,080 --> 07:52:28,320
urban brothers that want to control us. So I don't know how that's going to work out. The only

2875
07:52:28,320 --> 07:52:38,140
benefit to the whole plan right now is the fact that the ASPs are grandfathered. So if all else fails,

2876
07:52:38,140 --> 07:52:45,720
At least we have a decent amount of non-residential land, some residential land that we can move forward on.

2877
07:52:46,220 --> 07:52:54,040
I think we saw things where instead of calling you the cap on populations in our hamlets, we saw 7,000 units.

2878
07:52:55,720 --> 07:52:58,180
So, you know, that's a cap.

2879
07:52:58,600 --> 07:53:06,460
And so they moved the cap from one sense to another and our administration has been working hard to try to get some of these things done.

2880
07:53:06,460 --> 07:53:08,460
and they get ignored.

2881
07:53:09,100 --> 07:53:12,800
And just like some of the questions that got asked yesterday,

2882
07:53:13,320 --> 07:53:14,060
they didn't get answered.

2883
07:53:14,680 --> 07:53:17,240
And they have no intentions of answering them.

2884
07:53:17,720 --> 07:53:22,220
I think Mr. Calthorpe, he recognized this region

2885
07:53:22,220 --> 07:53:24,560
in one of the workshops as a region

2886
07:53:24,560 --> 07:53:27,660
that has a very good planning done.

2887
07:53:28,240 --> 07:53:31,160
He did add that yes, things can be done better.

2888
07:53:31,720 --> 07:53:33,840
And then all of a sudden, we end up with a plan

2889
07:53:33,840 --> 07:53:34,680
that isn't a plan.

2890
07:53:34,680 --> 07:53:41,120
Yeah, it looks to me like this gentleman wants to get out of Dodge and get out of here

2891
07:53:41,120 --> 07:53:45,400
because it is a solution running around the country looking for a problem.

2892
07:53:46,440 --> 07:53:54,720
And our neighbors are ganging up on us and who knows what it means, but it's to me a

2893
07:53:54,720 --> 07:53:55,700
children disappointment.

2894
07:53:58,300 --> 07:53:58,700
Thank you.

2895
07:53:58,820 --> 07:54:02,540
I'll go to Councillor Schule and then I have Councillor Kessler.

2896
07:54:04,180 --> 07:54:11,040
Yeah, I couldn't agree more to what the council about he said, but nothing I want to just add to it.

2897
07:54:11,640 --> 07:54:15,980
This is definitely shackling rock review is what it's doing. This is everything.

2898
07:54:17,420 --> 07:54:22,440
This is an anti-rock review document. One thing that I would do want to say that

2899
07:54:22,440 --> 07:54:30,340
if I was in council, we were. Rock review was always being accused of not a long range planning or not planning it up.

2900
07:54:30,340 --> 07:54:35,940
Really funny, now that we are creating more ESP's and trying to plan, now we're being

2901
07:54:35,940 --> 07:54:37,100
accused of over planning.

2902
07:54:37,780 --> 07:54:42,540
Another thing that I want to mention, this is definitely against the mandate of the provincial

2903
07:54:42,540 --> 07:54:43,000
government.

2904
07:54:43,780 --> 07:54:48,600
They're not trying to create employment, they're going to, they're, this is creating another

2905
07:54:48,600 --> 07:54:49,460
level of government.

2906
07:54:50,420 --> 07:54:57,120
I know yesterday he said no, but it definitely is, and secondly, this isn't going to create

2907
07:54:57,120 --> 07:55:01,660
don't implement. There's a lot of people who want to move to Rocky View a lot of businesses

2908
07:55:01,660 --> 07:55:07,500
for a very good reason because we've got to wear what I'll set up. We've got good tax

2909
07:55:07,500 --> 07:55:12,840
fees. So of course, why wouldn't they come here? Just because the cities have an issue that

2910
07:55:12,840 --> 07:55:18,180
they can control it. We are doing a gig of a job of controlling it. So that's why you're

2911
07:55:18,180 --> 07:55:21,060
really trying to sell us or stop us. Thank you.

2912
07:55:27,190 --> 07:55:35,510
So I actually took a lot of notes yesterday and I'm very sad to hear that that both council

2913
07:55:35,510 --> 07:55:39,530
and councilor Schuyl and councilor Belki actually didn't hear any of the good stuff.

2914
07:55:40,070 --> 07:55:42,730
So I think this is a way to the future.

2915
07:55:43,370 --> 07:55:50,310
I think this has been done for a long time and whether we like it or not, I wish we would

2916
07:55:50,310 --> 07:55:54,070
come to the table and have a conversation instead of just saying no.

2917
07:55:55,330 --> 07:55:59,670
My biggest fear is we're going to end up with nothing because we have always said

2918
07:55:59,670 --> 07:56:04,650
it's no. And so, you know, I heard lots of good things. Yes, the appeal process

2919
07:56:04,650 --> 07:56:10,530
is coming. They haven't got it ironed out. Yes, but there's still time. But if you are not

2920
07:56:10,530 --> 07:56:14,890
part of a conversation, you're going to end up with what you end up with because

2921
07:56:14,890 --> 07:56:15,730
is that's what happens.

2922
07:56:17,490 --> 07:56:19,690
So I enjoyed the presentation.

2923
07:56:20,070 --> 07:56:21,690
I thought there was a lot of good questions.

2924
07:56:22,030 --> 07:56:23,530
I thought there was good answers.

2925
07:56:25,310 --> 07:56:27,810
And so I'm a very different mind.

2926
07:56:28,790 --> 07:56:31,370
And I believe this is how the future's going to work.

2927
07:56:31,530 --> 07:56:32,810
We're going to all have to figure out

2928
07:56:32,810 --> 07:56:36,590
how to share a servicing and work together.

2929
07:56:37,230 --> 07:56:40,050
And they're not asking to control all of Rocky B County.

2930
07:56:40,690 --> 07:56:43,910
That's the one part that I really have a hard time with.

2931
07:56:43,910 --> 07:56:49,830
But we're talking about some very distinct areas that we're going to have to work together.

2932
07:56:51,940 --> 07:56:58,200
So I have a very different point of view and I very much enjoyed our presentation yesterday.

2933
07:57:01,160 --> 07:57:02,020
Deputy Chief MacCarter.

2934
07:57:03,040 --> 07:57:03,600
Thank you.

2935
07:57:03,680 --> 07:57:08,340
Through the chair, there were some good things yesterday and I don't want to take that away.

2936
07:57:08,560 --> 07:57:13,000
But to say that we haven't been at the table would be a very sad commentary.

2937
07:57:13,000 --> 07:57:18,140
I don't think there's been a CMRB meeting that somebody from Rocky View County hasn't

2938
07:57:18,140 --> 07:57:19,680
been at that table representing.

2939
07:57:22,500 --> 07:57:26,780
To say that they don't want to control the county, that's exactly what they are doing.

2940
07:57:26,900 --> 07:57:32,620
They've given the county two areas that says this is your sandbox and you can play here

2941
07:57:32,620 --> 07:57:40,100
and every other part of the county is under pretty strict rules and this isn't about supporting

2942
07:57:40,100 --> 07:57:40,840
developers.

2943
07:57:40,840 --> 07:57:47,800
I got a I got a landowner that called me that owns five acres of land that is now sandwiched

2944
07:57:47,800 --> 07:57:55,560
up between some commercial and and really he's paralyzed now. He's got really no residential

2945
07:57:55,560 --> 07:58:00,780
value and now he's got no commercial value either and this is this is this is a legacy of the

2946
07:58:00,780 --> 07:58:08,080
CMRB because it's not in an area that they say you can play in and so you know the test is in the

2947
07:58:08,080 --> 07:58:13,640
details. And to come to the table and say, oh yeah, we're working on a dispute mechanism,

2948
07:58:13,640 --> 07:58:19,020
but not have any details about that, show me what that is. And then maybe we can have

2949
07:58:19,020 --> 07:58:25,420
a more honest conversation. To say that we're allowed to, I ask the question specifically

2950
07:58:25,420 --> 07:58:33,480
about our already identified goal theory is in the MDP. And Mr. Calthurt said, well those

2951
07:58:33,480 --> 07:58:40,380
are okay, but they're not in the ordinary that the CMORB will allow us to actually pursue.

2952
07:58:41,060 --> 07:58:47,440
To say that we have our ASPs, and I agree with Councillor Belkey that at least our ASPs

2953
07:58:47,440 --> 07:58:55,040
are grandfathered, the test will be when we try to do a new ASP. And the board may absolutely

2954
07:58:55,040 --> 07:59:03,340
recommend approval from an administrative point of view, but the elected officials around the table

2955
07:59:03,480 --> 07:59:08,040
could actually stop that, and so there's no assuredly that raw

2956
07:59:08,040 --> 07:59:13,560
to view can continue to plan. And so, you know, the three

2957
07:59:13,560 --> 07:59:18,940
boxes they gave us to play in, you know, 27 acres, 80 units,

2958
07:59:18,940 --> 07:59:23,320
well, that sounds great, except no one can afford to do a

2959
07:59:23,320 --> 07:59:29,460
municipal servicing strategy on 80 lots, it's just not doable.

2960
07:59:30,080 --> 07:59:32,760
And so really, functionally, it just doesn't happen.

2961
07:59:32,760 --> 07:59:38,940
So unless you're developing a new hamlet and good luck with that, you're not developing

2962
07:59:38,940 --> 07:59:39,420
anything.

2963
07:59:39,800 --> 07:59:48,660
And so much of the main focus was about walkable transportation networks.

2964
07:59:49,520 --> 07:59:51,980
Broadkeeping view doesn't really benefit from any of that.

2965
07:59:52,140 --> 07:59:57,040
And so I agree with Councillor Belkey that there's not a lot of benefit from that focus.

2966
07:59:57,040 --> 07:59:59,860
And that's a big focus on this plan, and this is public.

2967
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:29,880
Transportation. And that's great for AirDream, it's great for Cochland and Strathmore and all those people that are moving people into Calgary. The comment you met was made yesterday. And I'm going to try to quote Mr. Calthort, when it might not be exact. He said, Calgary had a problem with urban sprawl. And this is what we have to do now. And so it was Calgary's problem.

2968
08:00:29,880 --> 08:00:34,320
And it was like, Calgary had this problem that it was growing, and so therefore we all better

2969
08:00:34,320 --> 08:00:40,880
come together to stop them. What? So, you know what? This plan isn't, it doesn't do a lot for

2970
08:00:40,880 --> 08:00:48,680
rocky view. I think it does well for the Urbans. I do think that ultimately if we're not allowed

2971
08:00:48,680 --> 08:00:56,860
to grow at the same percentage as Calgary and the other Urbans are tax, and I think Jerry or

2972
08:00:56,860 --> 08:01:03,820
or Councillor Cotrol mentioned this. One of his questions was that the tax base starts

2973
08:01:03,820 --> 08:01:08,420
to shift to our residentials, and Rocky, he's been really good at trying to keep that balance.

2974
08:01:08,800 --> 08:01:14,640
And as a result, we do have one of the lowest taxes in the region, but if we're not allowed

2975
08:01:14,640 --> 08:01:20,360
to grow that, and it will probably find for the short term, I'm not here, doom and gloom,

2976
08:01:20,360 --> 08:01:25,540
or probably find for the short term, we've got lands that we can develop still. But over

2977
08:01:25,540 --> 08:01:30,700
time as we build out residential, which is the most expensive thing to build out. And we can't

2978
08:01:30,700 --> 08:01:37,540
consummate that with commercial, that tax dollar will shift to our residents. And I think

2979
08:01:37,540 --> 08:01:42,540
that's the long lens. I look found like this. That's just my opinion.

2980
08:01:44,860 --> 08:01:47,780
Thank you. I've got Councillor Belkey back on the line.

2981
08:01:48,680 --> 08:01:54,720
Well, and then Councillor Hanson. Thank you. You know, I maybe come on a little too passionate

2982
08:01:54,720 --> 08:02:01,680
about this and the thing that I'm afraid because and I'll do respect Councillor Kissle

2983
08:02:01,680 --> 08:02:07,700
you have an opinion and I value it. I can't give it a whole lot of credit when you've

2984
08:02:07,700 --> 08:02:13,000
never been to a meeting you don't understand the processes here and I will tell you that

2985
08:02:13,580 --> 08:02:21,060
I can I absolutely support working with our neighbors and I advocate for built up IDPs

2986
08:02:21,060 --> 08:02:24,060
and inter-municipal relationships that work.

2987
08:02:24,600 --> 08:02:26,980
The trouble with the planning that they're doing here

2988
08:02:26,980 --> 08:02:31,740
is it's central planning that you have no choice

2989
08:02:31,740 --> 08:02:34,020
but being in it and it's all or nothing.

2990
08:02:34,640 --> 08:02:38,200
And right now, there's less in this for Rocky View County

2991
08:02:38,720 --> 08:02:42,660
of any value over and above sitting down

2992
08:02:42,660 --> 08:02:46,480
and redoing an inter-municipal development plan.

2993
08:02:47,800 --> 08:02:50,060
That would do us more advantage

2994
08:02:50,060 --> 08:02:51,740
than being a member of this plan.

2995
08:02:52,280 --> 08:02:54,860
And a good example of it, and I named it yesterday,

2996
08:02:55,080 --> 08:02:57,800
and it's just the toss to the side.

2997
08:02:58,280 --> 08:03:01,640
But the fact that we got a grant for $400,000,

2998
08:03:01,960 --> 08:03:04,940
and five municipalities in North of Trans Canada,

2999
08:03:05,020 --> 08:03:07,760
how we got together came up with a priority system.

3000
08:03:08,480 --> 08:03:12,120
And they prioritized 10 big infrastructure projects,

3001
08:03:12,380 --> 08:03:18,660
the top 10, and all five municipalities endorsed it.

3002
08:03:19,280 --> 08:03:21,760
We didn't need a growth management board to do that.

3003
08:03:22,280 --> 08:03:26,360
You need to collaborate, you need to work with your neighbors on all aspects of servicing,

3004
08:03:26,480 --> 08:03:32,540
whether it's water or wastewater, but a good example of the waste and what will happen.

3005
08:03:32,940 --> 08:03:38,440
We had Cal Green New and I announced it at the board meetings, at a couple of board meetings,

3006
08:03:39,540 --> 08:03:44,560
that Rocky View was presently going to spend a lot of money to take servicing water and

3007
08:03:44,560 --> 08:03:49,760
wastewater across the highway at Balzac to go over and under existing

3008
08:03:49,760 --> 08:03:56,320
servicing that's there and the long story short, it was designed originally to

3009
08:03:56,320 --> 08:04:02,760
be a regional trunk line on the wastewater. Not one mentioned was Calgary saying

3010
08:04:02,760 --> 08:04:06,180
well why don't you hold that off and let's negotiate something and we'll hook you

3011
08:04:06,180 --> 08:04:12,380
up as a customer to our servicing but that never came in. So here we are with

3012
08:04:12,380 --> 08:04:21,000
redundant. Now, there was a statement made the most viable or extension of servicing.

3013
08:04:22,560 --> 08:04:28,900
They Calgary got that taken out. Anyway, the whole plan is it's foolhardy to think

3014
08:04:28,900 --> 08:04:35,920
that high river wants a 200, one in 200 year flood mapping and that's great for them.

3015
08:04:35,920 --> 08:04:45,360
They suffered huge damage as we did in Bragg Creek and other areas, Elbow Valley, in the 2013 flood.

3016
08:04:46,100 --> 08:04:55,740
But why would we try to pretend that we're going to have an environmental bylaw or law that supersedes the province?

3017
08:04:56,500 --> 08:04:58,940
And maybe the province will go to one in 200.

3018
08:04:58,940 --> 08:05:05,840
But if the province is one in one hundred and the CMRB puts in thing and says well, we're going to be one in two hundred

3019
08:05:05,840 --> 08:05:10,420
That affects everybody in the county and it also

3020
08:05:10,420 --> 08:05:12,800
puts us liable for

3021
08:05:12,800 --> 08:05:19,820
Or very likely to be sued or to be challenged by developers. So yeah, there is value

3022
08:05:19,820 --> 08:05:24,160
I've never said there isn't value. I've advocated for value at the board level of

3023
08:05:24,660 --> 08:05:25,800
working together

3024
08:05:25,800 --> 08:05:49,760
You shouldn't be forced into it, and you shouldn't be ganged up on a bunch of urban municipalities that are on the hook for servicing, and I've heard them say, and the experience that I've had at this between the Calgary Regional Partnership and this deal, if you don't behave and don't get the densities to what the plan is, you don't get any more water.

3025
08:05:49,760 --> 08:05:53,720
And that's simple, you're using the servicing to control your neighbors.

3026
08:05:54,180 --> 08:06:00,780
And that is not good customer relations, it's not good regional relations.

3027
08:06:01,100 --> 08:06:03,840
It holds them back and all you got to do is look around the communities.

3028
08:06:04,340 --> 08:06:10,980
Airdrie's 86% residential, Chestermeer's 97% residential.

3029
08:06:11,940 --> 08:06:16,860
Rocky View County is probably out of this group, one of the most sustainable.

3030
08:06:16,860 --> 08:06:23,020
If not the most sustainable, the second most sustainable municipality in this region and the province.

3031
08:06:23,780 --> 08:06:28,480
So we've got a lot to fight for, we've done a lot of work here, we've got a great municipality,

3032
08:06:29,300 --> 08:06:40,040
and we don't need somebody that believes in Unicity, and we stuck a wrench in their gear works by coming up with our own servicing.

3033
08:06:40,540 --> 08:06:42,600
So that's the reason they're after us.

3034
08:06:42,600 --> 08:06:46,500
So do I believe in regional servicing or regional cooperation?

3035
08:06:46,900 --> 08:06:47,280
Absolutely.

3036
08:06:47,620 --> 08:06:49,380
I don't think you should be forced into it.

3037
08:06:49,460 --> 08:06:51,520
You can do a better job doing it as a free enterprise.

3038
08:06:54,860 --> 08:06:55,720
Thanks for that.

3039
08:06:56,240 --> 08:07:00,020
And if it's OK with everybody, I wouldn't mind weighing in on this a little bit too.

3040
08:07:00,680 --> 08:07:10,620
So this whole deal, CMRB, the growth plan and the CMRB, it's completely flawed on both fronts.

3041
08:07:10,620 --> 08:07:17,820
You know, the plan, definitely, what was presented to us yesterday was, again, I have a tough

3042
08:07:17,820 --> 08:07:18,960
time calling it a plan.

3043
08:07:19,060 --> 08:07:23,500
It's a guideline and every time a question was asked that maybe the answer was a little

3044
08:07:23,500 --> 08:07:29,480
bit hard, it's oh well, well, we can change this and we can change that.

3045
08:07:29,880 --> 08:07:35,300
But everybody knows if it's not documented in a plan that things can change or there's

3046
08:07:35,300 --> 08:07:37,800
flexibility, it doesn't happen.

3047
08:07:37,800 --> 08:07:47,920
And what I'd like to touch on firstly is just the fact that the CMRB period is fundamentally

3048
08:07:47,920 --> 08:07:48,580
wrong.

3049
08:07:50,000 --> 08:07:51,340
There's no appeal process.

3050
08:07:51,880 --> 08:07:57,820
There's a veto vote for the largest municipality involved in it that ultimately holds a hammer

3051
08:07:57,820 --> 08:07:58,580
over everybody.

3052
08:07:59,360 --> 08:08:01,700
It creates a fourth level of government.

3053
08:08:01,700 --> 08:08:07,620
And I know the Chief Administrator of ZMRB said it didn't,

3054
08:08:07,680 --> 08:08:12,840
but obviously our consultant told us it right to our faces yesterday

3055
08:08:12,840 --> 08:08:19,600
that it creates a fourth level of government and it removes,

3056
08:08:20,720 --> 08:08:21,980
you know, just not rock you view.

3057
08:08:22,440 --> 08:08:24,520
This affects more than just rock you view.

3058
08:08:24,800 --> 08:08:26,720
Every rural municipality involved in this.

3059
08:08:26,720 --> 08:08:51,720
So, a rocky view, foothills, and a portion of Wheatland County removes any autonomy for any type of future planning, and the very bottom line is a complete waste of money and staff time that could be put forward to a lot more positive work.

3060
08:08:51,720 --> 08:09:00,080
to just very quickly address Councillor Kissle's comments about, you know, just wanting to fight all the time and not being at the table.

3061
08:09:00,680 --> 08:09:18,800
I understand what Councillor Means, but I can speak very firmly to that, that our administration goes to these technical advisory group meetings with ideas, edits,

3062
08:09:18,800 --> 08:09:26,120
This positive thoughts on the way certain aspects of the plan is going.

3063
08:09:27,040 --> 08:09:34,220
And not only are they disregarded multiple times, the plan has turned almost 180 degrees

3064
08:09:34,220 --> 08:09:44,080
away from the way we suggested or asked it to go, like completely turns around.

3065
08:09:44,080 --> 08:09:55,520
So that tells me that there's very little desire on the part of the consultant to accommodate

3066
08:09:55,520 --> 08:09:56,680
the Roman municipalities.

3067
08:09:57,100 --> 08:10:05,020
And I've heard the same things talking to the reaves and alternates from other the

3068
08:10:05,020 --> 08:10:06,540
other Roman municipalities as well.

3069
08:10:07,020 --> 08:10:11,560
When their administration goes to these tag me technical advisory group meetings they call

3070
08:10:11,560 --> 08:10:21,060
tag, I'll use that. The ideas that are just completely disregarded. So, you know, just

3071
08:10:21,060 --> 08:10:29,060
for everybody's confidence, I can assure you that our administration is trying extremely

3072
08:10:29,060 --> 08:10:36,160
hard to at least make this semi-palatable for the counties, but it's just nothing's being

3073
08:10:36,160 --> 08:10:40,440
heated or taken seriously. And again, that's something we talked about a few weeks ago.

3074
08:10:41,200 --> 08:10:48,240
We know that everything, if the CMR-B stays around, which, again, I'm not in favor of

3075
08:10:48,240 --> 08:10:57,430
just, just because of the idea of the CMR-B is wrong, but if it does stay around, all the

3076
08:10:57,430 --> 08:11:02,910
rules, and RockyVue included, and to be honest, RockyVue is the second biggest player at

3077
08:11:02,910 --> 08:11:03,430
this table.

3078
08:11:06,250 --> 08:11:11,430
If it stays around, we know we're not going to get everything we want, but

3079
08:11:11,430 --> 08:11:16,170
we at least want to be heard, we at least want to have a seat at the table. And currently,

3080
08:11:16,790 --> 08:11:26,370
we are way down the list, way down the list. They don't even blink when we talk. So there's

3081
08:11:26,370 --> 08:11:31,910
a lot of work and I can just tell you on our end working

3082
08:11:34,080 --> 08:11:37,620
very hard to lobby some MLAs

3083
08:11:37,620 --> 08:11:43,320
and other folks that may have some influence that the province will have a serious look

3084
08:11:43,320 --> 08:11:53,180
at this and see and just come to the realization that this is a completely healthy concept for

3085
08:11:53,180 --> 08:11:59,900
the province, not to mention the plan that the plan that looks like coming forward is flawed

3086
08:11:59,900 --> 08:12:01,580
beyond belief in my opinion.

3087
08:12:04,720 --> 08:12:07,840
So with that said, oh, we have Councillor Goetrow.

3088
08:12:08,880 --> 08:12:15,000
Thank you. I was going to hopefully weigh in before you did. Sitting as the alternate

3089
08:12:15,000 --> 08:12:19,660
for almost three years, I can tell you that there's been many conversations and it always

3090
08:12:19,660 --> 08:12:23,880
hasn't been no matter factors and sometimes that we've agreed. And I think Councillor

3091
08:12:23,880 --> 08:12:31,080
Bellty can contest or can confirm that as well, but the whole plan is about Unicity.

3092
08:12:31,280 --> 08:12:37,100
And I'm going to just go back a little bit when Mr. Calford decided to come to the region

3093
08:12:37,100 --> 08:12:40,120
and check us out to really find out what the region was all about.

3094
08:12:40,900 --> 08:12:42,900
And on that trip, I was with him.

3095
08:12:43,380 --> 08:12:45,760
We decided that I was showing him around Rockingham County.

3096
08:12:45,900 --> 08:12:48,000
I can tell you he was too tired.

3097
08:12:48,120 --> 08:12:48,840
He wanted to sleep.

3098
08:12:49,140 --> 08:12:52,620
He wasn't even interested in arm and municipality.

3099
08:12:52,620 --> 08:12:58,100
mentality. He didn't even care about bearers, but I didn't care about Elville Valley. He didn't even care about Bragg Creek.

3100
08:12:58,660 --> 08:13:07,920
All he wanted to do was he couldn't wait to get to Cochran to see the little town of Cochran and how it was going to be developed in their downtown

3101
08:13:07,920 --> 08:13:14,840
corner. And all of a sudden, he got off that bus and it was like he drank 16 cups of coffee because he had all the energy in the

3102
08:13:14,840 --> 08:13:21,600
world to talk about Cochran, but zero respect for Rocky County. And you can tell that even in his conversation where he always

3103
08:13:21,600 --> 08:13:26,360
referred as to foothills County and never really recognized Rocky View County and I try to correct

3104
08:13:26,360 --> 08:13:33,340
that. The thing that really got me through the whole process is when we started talking about

3105
08:13:33,340 --> 08:13:39,600
and this plans and again I'll go back to Council Belky, the JPAs were never even considered until

3106
08:13:39,600 --> 08:13:45,680
almost the last minute of putting in the plan and even when the JPAs came forward I said there's

3107
08:13:45,680 --> 08:13:50,860
already, like I talked about on me. So they didn't even recognize on the our

3108
08:13:50,860 --> 08:13:56,640
coverage in the JPAs where the the the ASP is already existed. And those we got

3109
08:13:56,640 --> 08:14:00,380
as well, if it exists, it's okay. No, you put it in a joint planning area. So

3110
08:14:00,380 --> 08:14:04,320
therefore, what is it? Is it an area structure plan or is it in a joint planning

3111
08:14:04,320 --> 08:14:10,400
area? So there's lots of things wrong with this. And we go back to, you know, even

3112
08:14:10,400 --> 08:14:17,360
the process right from the very beginning you know anyway it's just it's just a

3113
08:14:17,360 --> 08:14:22,220
bad plan it's a unit city we've got we've got a person here just wants

3114
08:14:22,220 --> 08:14:26,220
transportation buses and things like that I don't want to speak for my

3115
08:14:26,220 --> 08:14:30,960
counterparts just to the east but I'm really at their back on their doorstep as

3116
08:14:30,960 --> 08:14:34,880
well as Wheatland County Wheatland County only has a tiny little piece in here and

3117
08:14:34,880 --> 08:14:37,760
I can tell you they don't think this is just a waste of money but they've got an

3118
08:14:37,760 --> 08:14:45,780
area structure plan and part of their area, but they see zero as well as us, a zero piece

3119
08:14:45,780 --> 08:14:47,300
to this growth management board.

3120
08:14:47,540 --> 08:14:51,420
So I can kind of go on, Mr. Ri, but I think you got my point.

3121
08:14:51,540 --> 08:14:51,940
Thank you.

3122
08:14:51,940 --> 08:14:52,380
For

3123
08:14:56,800 --> 08:14:57,260
Hansen.

3124
08:15:00,050 --> 08:15:06,370
A lot of negativity in the room, and maybe I take a slightly different approach to listening

3125
08:15:06,370 --> 08:15:14,470
and interpreting and my understanding, but that was quite a good meeting in Calthar. I thought

3126
08:15:14,470 --> 08:15:22,950
I'd opened up a bit over previous occasions, and it was a little bit more frank and corrected

3127
08:15:22,950 --> 08:15:27,490
us when some of our planning assumptions are maybe not best practicing.

3128
08:15:29,530 --> 08:15:34,710
But there's nothing stopping our growth that I heard and any current DSPs just continue

3129
08:15:34,710 --> 08:15:42,710
to trundle on and they do believe that the GPA's taking him at face value and he actually

3130
08:15:42,710 --> 08:15:48,510
listened to Rocky View and said Greg went on and on and on at multiple meetings about sub-regional

3131
08:15:48,510 --> 08:15:55,330
all working groups and the transportation studies as an example, et cetera.

3132
08:15:55,470 --> 08:16:01,650
So basically the JPAs, we got exactly what we wish for, and three or four municipalities

3133
08:16:01,650 --> 08:16:07,650
are involved in those, and that is where the regional growth is seen to be focused.

3134
08:16:07,890 --> 08:16:13,290
It doesn't mean it's the only place, but it's a focus place, and Rocky View is participating

3135
08:16:13,290 --> 08:16:15,210
and two of them, and foothills, and one of them.

3136
08:16:18,390 --> 08:16:22,950
And analogy might be for working on transit,

3137
08:16:23,610 --> 08:16:25,330
and the green line is going to go to air-dry.

3138
08:16:25,510 --> 08:16:29,630
They can put a train stop in covering, a train stop in air-dry,

3139
08:16:29,870 --> 08:16:34,010
and the frock you use on at the table, everyone on the train will wave

3140
08:16:34,010 --> 08:16:37,670
to our level of whatever we choose to build there,

3141
08:16:37,770 --> 08:16:42,790
using whatever servicing we can get ourselves with the resulting

3142
08:16:42,790 --> 08:16:48,870
tax base. Or we can sit at the table and talk in a JPA and say, well, maybe we should

3143
08:16:48,870 --> 08:16:54,910
put a train station in and have that area service by transit. And then that opens up additional

3144
08:16:54,910 --> 08:17:02,170
employees to come into the kinds of businesses we like to have to quickly lower and warehousing

3145
08:17:02,170 --> 08:17:12,770
jobs, etc. Or perhaps becomes a residential area that has access to transit. In fact,

3146
08:17:12,770 --> 08:17:17,470
out the table. We don't have to, or we don't get an opportunity to have that discussion.

3147
08:17:18,850 --> 08:17:26,650
A mature discussion. And you have to sit there and you go, well, in my world, it's either

3148
08:17:26,650 --> 08:17:33,750
look at a local optimization, or you look at the global optimum. And you may think because

3149
08:17:33,750 --> 08:17:37,830
your piece of the pie is slightly bigger that you're going to end up with more revenue at

3150
08:17:37,830 --> 08:17:42,530
the end of the day, but if you could grow that pie with a smaller slice, you're probably

3151
08:17:42,530 --> 08:17:52,670
better off in many cases and having the ability to have good conversations and by being part

3152
08:17:52,670 --> 08:17:57,970
of the regional partnership, I know there's a lot of history and we had a chance for a fresh

3153
08:17:57,970 --> 08:18:06,750
start, I think, and from watching from an early date, every meeting, we came out swinging

3154
08:18:06,750 --> 08:18:12,730
and throwing sand and where we sit today is okay they're not going away we didn't believe

3155
08:18:12,730 --> 08:18:18,230
them out of the sandbox so how do we recover actually get to the point where our opinions

3156
08:18:18,230 --> 08:18:27,350
are a little more respected and considered but I don't think it's too late and I know we

3157
08:18:27,350 --> 08:18:32,790
keep bringing up a peel and in the past in our closed sessions and that's always been my

3158
08:18:32,790 --> 08:18:38,570
My heart playing with this is there was no reasonable appeal and when they say they're

3159
08:18:38,570 --> 08:18:40,610
two-thirds done I take them at face value.

3160
08:18:41,070 --> 08:18:44,830
They're two-thirds done the project of having an appeal mechanism and see they're going

3161
08:18:44,830 --> 08:18:49,210
to be through the municipal government board is going to be through a third party tribunal

3162
08:18:50,410 --> 08:18:54,950
perfect because these will be people from outside the province or something not outside the

3163
08:18:54,950 --> 08:18:58,730
province but from other areas of province and really have no vested interest in the area.

3164
08:18:59,630 --> 08:19:04,030
and they'll make a good arbitration decision.

3165
08:19:05,290 --> 08:19:07,730
Yes, Calgary has a veto but they also have

3166
08:19:07,730 --> 08:19:09,810
over a million people living in their borders.

3167
08:19:10,530 --> 08:19:14,510
And what we do impacts them, but they do impacts us.

3168
08:19:16,150 --> 08:19:18,390
What is never discussed is the fact that

3169
08:19:18,390 --> 08:19:22,170
in order for Calgary to move forward on anything they need six votes.

3170
08:19:24,460 --> 08:19:27,600
So if they must behave, they don't get to do what they want to do either.

3171
08:19:27,600 --> 08:19:33,300
So there's a bit of a check-and-balance already, and we haven't really exploited that from,

3172
08:19:33,520 --> 08:19:39,520
from what I've seen all that much. But if there's enough support to push back on Calgary,

3173
08:19:39,740 --> 08:19:43,200
the regions can do it. So they push the big elephant back in the box and say,

3174
08:19:43,200 --> 08:19:46,940
listen, we need a piece of the action too, we all have to be sustainable.

3175
08:19:48,460 --> 08:19:53,160
So I don't buy at all that they're to put us out of business or put us in a box and make sure

3176
08:19:53,160 --> 08:19:54,140
We have zero growth.

3177
08:19:54,980 --> 08:19:57,200
We consistently have about 3% of the population.

3178
08:19:57,260 --> 08:19:58,720
We've had that for 20 years.

3179
08:19:59,660 --> 08:20:00,980
We have enough ASPs to grow.

3180
08:20:01,200 --> 08:20:03,520
We keep health up came in and said there's enough growth

3181
08:20:03,520 --> 08:20:05,700
plan in this area last just like 300 years.

3182
08:20:06,120 --> 08:20:07,560
We don't need another ASP.

3183
08:20:07,920 --> 08:20:10,100
I mean, we can have one give people more choices,

3184
08:20:10,100 --> 08:20:12,120
but there's plenty of growth.

3185
08:20:12,120 --> 08:20:16,100
And what I heard was given the JPAs plus existing infills

3186
08:20:16,100 --> 08:20:19,440
on existing ASPs, both in the urban and the rurals,

3187
08:20:19,440 --> 08:20:22,680
We could easily absorb another million people.

3188
08:20:24,620 --> 08:20:29,860
I think it's a dribble, absolute dribble that this is a driving business away from the

3189
08:20:29,860 --> 08:20:30,160
region.

3190
08:20:31,300 --> 08:20:37,520
We think a well put together regional plan will actually attract business on a global

3191
08:20:37,520 --> 08:20:38,100
scale.

3192
08:20:38,800 --> 08:20:42,280
So we're not just thinking about stealing business from Calgary, we want to attract business to

3193
08:20:42,280 --> 08:20:42,680
the region.

3194
08:20:43,600 --> 08:20:46,000
And that takes a nice diversified economy.

3195
08:20:46,780 --> 08:20:49,320
You have excellent logistics and rock review.

3196
08:20:49,460 --> 08:20:50,980
We're not taking the best advantage of.

3197
08:20:51,080 --> 08:20:53,160
I don't think we're not really focused on it.

3198
08:20:53,280 --> 08:20:54,960
It just needs a little more care and attention

3199
08:20:54,960 --> 08:20:56,840
in our economic development.

3200
08:20:59,580 --> 08:21:01,320
There's lots of little things we can do,

3201
08:21:01,320 --> 08:21:03,300
and there's nothing the board is doing to stay

3202
08:21:03,300 --> 08:21:05,940
or stand in our way from what I see.

3203
08:21:08,880 --> 08:21:11,120
And I mean, I can rant on a little bit more,

3204
08:21:11,120 --> 08:21:18,720
not nearly as long as Miss Council Belky, but I think maybe look at it for what it is.

3205
08:21:18,980 --> 08:21:23,520
I don't think it's going to go away, and I'd like to see us work a little more cooperatively

3206
08:21:23,520 --> 08:21:31,600
and try to get the best out of this that we possibly can, and I think you might be surprised

3207
08:21:31,600 --> 08:21:38,620
at what you can achieve when everyone's pulling together. Yes, we can go our own way.

3208
08:21:41,100 --> 08:21:41,100
Yes,

3209
08:21:41,100 --> 08:21:45,800
But at the end of the day, it's not the best for the taxpayers.

3210
08:21:46,680 --> 08:21:49,300
Sure, you can provide servicing, but it doubled the cost.

3211
08:21:50,660 --> 08:21:51,300
What's the point?

3212
08:21:53,640 --> 08:21:53,920
Okay.

3213
08:21:54,900 --> 08:21:56,980
That's a real-life time, Councillor Hanson.

3214
08:21:57,140 --> 08:21:58,940
You have gone on longer than Councillor Belkey.

3215
08:21:59,820 --> 08:22:00,060
Yay!

3216
08:22:00,860 --> 08:22:01,560
That was my goal.

3217
08:22:02,420 --> 08:22:02,820
Thank you.

3218
08:22:03,320 --> 08:22:04,900
If you'd like to wrap it up, that'd be good.

3219
08:22:05,140 --> 08:22:07,980
I've got a feeling this is going to warrant some more conversation.

3220
08:22:10,780 --> 08:22:17,700
But I'm getting a general consensus actually from one side and I see we have some concerns

3221
08:22:17,700 --> 08:22:21,000
from the other side as well.

3222
08:22:21,320 --> 08:22:25,820
So if you want to wrap it up, can you do that in 30 seconds?

3223
08:22:26,480 --> 08:22:27,240
That would be wonderful.

3224
08:22:28,500 --> 08:22:30,020
Is Rick Mercer would say I'm done?

3225
08:22:30,900 --> 08:22:31,860
Okay, very good.

3226
08:22:32,620 --> 08:22:37,640
So if we have nothing else, again, I certainly got a feeling for

3227
08:22:37,640 --> 08:22:39,800
for how people feel in the room.

3228
08:22:42,540 --> 08:22:47,660
I think, again, between Ms. Luskey,

3229
08:22:48,040 --> 08:22:53,600
Mr. Monshandon and Mr. Kismirchak,

3230
08:22:54,120 --> 08:22:55,460
we've got very good representation

3231
08:22:55,460 --> 08:22:58,480
on our technical advisory groups

3232
08:22:58,480 --> 08:23:02,280
that do understand sort of the limitations

3233
08:23:02,280 --> 08:23:05,140
that I believe the majority of us feel

3234
08:23:05,660 --> 08:23:07,080
is getting put on the county

3235
08:23:07,080 --> 08:23:13,740
and they're going to deal with it going forward. And again, I'll look forward to input from

3236
08:23:13,740 --> 08:23:22,120
everybody on how things go or how we want to look at things going forward.

3237
08:23:25,930 --> 08:23:26,570
Councillor Schuyl.

3238
08:23:29,730 --> 08:23:31,590
Motion to adjourn. Could I do have to leave?

3239
08:23:32,050 --> 08:23:35,210
You had Councillor Kamachi there first at this point in order.

3240
08:23:36,070 --> 08:23:41,390
Okay, I apologize. Councillor Kamachi and then we may entertain that motion.

3241
08:23:41,390 --> 08:23:42,590
and Councillor Schule.

3242
08:23:44,050 --> 08:23:45,230
All right, through the chair.

3243
08:23:45,310 --> 08:23:45,710
Thank you very much.

3244
08:23:46,250 --> 08:23:48,270
Just one point on the whole CMRB thing,

3245
08:23:48,430 --> 08:23:49,410
is that at the end of the day,

3246
08:23:49,410 --> 08:23:52,490
I don't think anyone disagrees that we want to work collaboratively

3247
08:23:52,490 --> 08:23:54,110
to do things that benefits everyone,

3248
08:23:54,190 --> 08:23:59,430
but when we have no power at the table,

3249
08:23:59,590 --> 08:24:01,790
that's, you know, we don't control our own destiny.

3250
08:24:02,190 --> 08:24:06,790
Anyways, and today Danielle Smith had mayor from Airdrie

3251
08:24:06,790 --> 08:24:09,630
and Cochran, Chinefka Nung, and Peter Brown on.

3252
08:24:09,630 --> 08:24:13,630
to get us a chance to go home tonight and listen to that because it's very interesting

3253
08:24:13,630 --> 08:24:18,850
just seeing how the two mayors answered her questions and I think she was basically

3254
08:24:18,850 --> 08:24:24,630
the interview on what Bruce McAlister said last week so go out and listen to that tonight

3255
08:24:24,630 --> 08:24:27,890
for yourself something nice and stiff and have a good evening.

3256
08:24:31,120 --> 08:24:37,480
Very good so I believe we do have a motion on the floor by exception.

3257
08:24:37,480 --> 08:24:40,820
Do you have any opposition to adjourning?

3258
08:24:42,240 --> 08:24:43,940
Seeing none, I didn't think I'd see any.

3259
08:24:44,880 --> 08:24:47,020
The meeting is adjourned. Thank you all.