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Okay, I will call to order the

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Rollsville Board of Commissioners. This

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is a regular business meeting um

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Tuesday, August the 18th, 2026. I want

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to thank everybody in attendance. We got

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a good turnout tonight. Appreciate uh

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appreciate everybody's coming out to the

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meeting. Uh I think uh a lot of things

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going on um and I appreciate the public

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being involved in and part of that. So

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thank you everybody for coming out

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tonight. Uh this is our last summer

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meeting. Uh we are on the summer

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schedule. So next September we manage

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the board we go back to the regular

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agenda business meetings first of the

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month. And um

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so uh I think we got a large agenda

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tonight. So got several public hearings

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to do and uh and those type things and

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some business meeting items to take care

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of. So we will jump right into it. First

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I want to do an invocation and pledge

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allegiance. Uh we have uh Steve Davis

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from here in Roseville. Resident

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Roseville will lead us in prayer

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tonight. Uh I think he's retired but I

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I've heard he's working at Bethlehem

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Church. I'm not sure but uh

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>> yeah so uh so we'll have him do

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invocation but first uh I want everybody

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to stand for pledge of allegiance if you

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would come on up Stephen do

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[clears throat]

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the flag of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands

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one nation

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indivisibley

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and justice for all

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Heavenly Father, we come tonight

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[snorts]

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and give them the wisdom they need.

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Our concerns

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everyone that are citizens of

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for each other and our community as a

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whole. Enable us as we work together

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your generosity of spirit towards one

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another in Jesus name. Amen.

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What's the proclamation title day?

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>> Purple heart day.

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which is this month.

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And um so to make an official board uh

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we will approve the agenda first if you

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okay with adding this proclamation to

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the agenda. So I'll take a motion for

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approval agenda additional proclamation.

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I'll have a motion a second. Second

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>> motion and a second. Any further

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discussion? Not hearing any. All in

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favor say I.

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>> Any opposed? Sounds like eyes have it.

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Eyes do have. Motion approved.

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>> So, uh, first uh proclamation is 8U

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basketball softball coach pitching

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allstars. I think our to want to read

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that one for us. April.

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>> All right. So, forgive me in advance if

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I don't say your names right. Okay. But

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if you want to just yell it out after I

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say it, please do if if I don't get it

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right. Okay. All right. So, the

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proclamation of the town of Roseville

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recognizing the 2026 Roseville 8U coach

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pitch softball team. Yay.

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Whereas the 2026 Roseville 8U coach

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pitch softball team earned the title for

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runner up in the district 4 Capitol and

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Northern Pedmont region Tar Hill League

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tournament through outstanding teamwork,

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determination, and sportsmanship. And

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whereas the team qualified to compete in

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the 2026 Tar Hill League Softball State

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Tournament held in Laurensburg, North

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Carolina from July 16th through the

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19th, 2026. proudly representing the

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town of Roseville on the state stage.

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And whereas although the T team did not

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capture the state championship, the

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players demonstrated exceptional

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teamwork, perseverance, positive

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character, and community pride

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throughout the tournament, serving as

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outstanding ambassador ambassadors for

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the town of Roseville. And whereas the

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town of Roseville proudly recognizes the

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members of the 2026 Roseville 8U coach

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pitch softball team. Ava Alford, Alford,

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Reagan Brown, McKenna

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Maisie Gallo, Josie Garris, Evelyn

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Heming, Bianca Aender,

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Naa Logan, Charlotte P, Shephard

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Williams, and Elder.

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Did I do okay? Butchered them too bad.

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Sorry. [laughter]

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staff, head coach Paul Iender,

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close maybe. And assistant coaches

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Savannah Alfred, Chris Brown, and

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Christina Gallow for their commitment,

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teamwork, sportsmanship, and outstanding

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representation of the town of Roseville

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through the 2026 season. And whereas the

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volunteer coaches dedicated countless

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hours of their time, leadership, and

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encouragement to developing the skills,

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confidence, teamwork, and sportsmanship

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of these young athletes, making a lasted

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lasting impact on and off the field. And

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whereas the town of Roseville recognizes

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and celebrates the accomplishments of

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these players, coaches, families, and

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supporters whose dedication and

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commitment contributed to an

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unforgettable season and exemplifies the

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values of youth a athletics. Now

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therefore, be it proclaimed that the

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mayor and town board of commissioners of

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the town of Roseville hereby commend and

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congratulate the 2026 Roseville 8U coach

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pitch softball team for an outstanding

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season, their district 4 runner-up

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finish, and their qualification for the

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2026 Tar Hill League softball state

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tournament. The town expresses its

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sincere appreciation to the players,

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coaches, parents, and supporters for

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representing Rollsville with integrity,

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teamwork, perseverance, and pride. Their

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accomplish have bought accomplishments

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have brought honor to our community and

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serve as an inspiration for future

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generations of young athletes. Adopted

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this 18th day of August, 2026, Mayor

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Ronnie Iicuran.

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>> Thank you.

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>> CONGRATULATIONS.

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[applause]

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I I do have a signed document for you.

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So, if we the coaches and the and

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players come down front here, we get a

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picture. So, uh if all the coaches and

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April let you come down.

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» On behalf of the town of Roseville, we

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want to wish you all congratulations.

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You did a great job and we're so proud

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of all of you.

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>> Thank you.

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very much.

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>> Thank you so much.

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Jun for the win.

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congratulations.

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It's your future.

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» Okay. Um,

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we got another proclamation due. This is

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uh National Senior Citizens Day and uh

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our lays on to the senior citizens. Um,

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Commissioner Michael Paul, if you would

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uh read that one for us. Thank you. Day

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proclamation of the town of Roseville,

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National Senior Citizens Day. Whereas

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older Americans have contributed

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immeasurably to the strength, vitality,

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and character of our nation through

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their wisdom, experience, and

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sacrifices. And whereas National Senior Citizens Day was established in

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1988 by President Ronald Reagan to honor

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the achievements and ongoing

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contributions of our senior citizens and

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to raise awareness of issues that affect

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their quality of life. And whereas

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today's seniors are active engaged in

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making significant contributions to

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their families, communities, and the

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economy, serving as volunteers,

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caregivers, mentors, and leaders. And

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whereas as we celebrate the achievements

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of senior citizens, we also reaffirm our

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commitment to supporting their dignity,

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independence, and well-being through

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quality health care, accessible services

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and community involvement. And whereas

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it is fitting to recognize and express

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our deepest gratitude to the senior

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citizens who have shel helped shape our

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communities and continue to enrich our

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lives. And whereas we are committed to

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fostering a community where people of

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all ages are valued, supported and

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empower empowered to live healthy,

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meaningful and fulfilling lives. Now

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therefore, Ronnie I Curran, Mayor and

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the board of commissioners do hereby

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proclaim August 21st, 2026 as National

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Senior Citizens Day and encourage all

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residents to honor the older adults in

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our community by expressing gratitude

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spending time with senior family

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members, friends, and neighbors and

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recognizing the lasting impact they have

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made on our lives and our future.

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Adopted the 18th day of August, 2026.

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Ronnie Iicuran, Mayor.

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>> Thank you.

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Mike Paul. Appreciate that.

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And we'll mention a little bit more

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about tomorrow when your llays on

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reports. Yes, sir.

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>> Thank you. Appreciate that. Um and then

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the last one, Mike Dant Austin, you got

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a one you want to read?

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>> Yes, sir. Proclamation of the town of

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Roseville recognizing August 7, 2026 as

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Purple Heart Day. Whereas the Purple

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Heart is the oldest military decoration

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in present use and the first American

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service award made available to the

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coming soldier. ordinarily established,

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I'm sorry, originally established by

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General George Washington in 1782 as the

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badge of military merit. And whereas the

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Purple Heart is awarded to the members

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of United States Armed Forces who have

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been wounded or killed as a result of

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enemy action while serving our nation.

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And whereas since its founding, the

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Purple Heart has been awarded to well

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over 1.9 million American service

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members who bore the physical and

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emotional scars of comeback in defense

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of our freedom.

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And whereas National Purple Heart Day

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observed annually on August 7th provides

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an opportunity for our community to

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pause and honor the brave men and women

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who have shed blood in our service in

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service to our country as well as to

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remember those who gave their lives. And

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whereas it is fitting and proper that we

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recognize the sacrifice of these

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American heroes and express our sincere

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appreciation for their service. Now

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therefore, be it proclaim that Mayor

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Ronnie, our current and the board of

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commissioners of Roseville, on behalf of

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all citizens, do hereby proclaim August

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7, 2026 as Purple Heart Day in the town

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of Roseville and encourages all to all

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residents to join in honoring the

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courage and sacrifice of our comeback

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wounded and fallen service members.

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Proclaim

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this 18th day, August, 2026. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, sir, for allowing me to read

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>> Yep. Okay, that wraps up um our um

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proclamations. Um we do have a new audio

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system. Tonight's the first night we're

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using this. Um it seems like it's

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working well. I think the old system is

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hard to hear if you was here in

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attendance, but it was kind of easier to

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hear online, I think. So, is everybody

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hearing okay? Everybody sounds well

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good. I think it's working then. Great.

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Appreciate that. Uh so with that, our

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next item is public comments. This is

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the time individuals get chance to u

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speak to the board. Uh you your uh

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comment should be directed to the board

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uh professionally and polite with

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respect and uh and we have to limit you

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to three minutes to that. We don't have

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anyone to sign up. Um now we do have a

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couple public hearings coming up. So, if

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you want to speak to anything

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specifically,

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uh, that'll be fine. But if you want to

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speak to anything generally to the

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public, this is time.

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So, we have a sign up for the public

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hearing. Um,

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» okay.

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So we don't have a public comment

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person. Anybody want to speak public?

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But thank you. Appreciate that. We also

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really welcome to any kind of written

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comments. If you want to make any kind

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of comments to the general uh board here

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on anything to do with the town, we

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appreciate any type of general comments

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also. Uh so we'll take any comments that

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you have. So appreciate that. So moving

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along, uh our next item is the consent

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agenda. Uh we have three items on the

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consent agenda. One is the meetings from

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July 21, 1926,

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excuse me, 2026. Uh the other one is a

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resolution to introduce legislation

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United uh unique zip code. I think the

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board has been working on that for a

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while. So you guys saw that in in

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package if you if you prefer to any

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discussion on that, we can pull it. And

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the other one uh is one that the

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attorney's been working on a while,

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roadway reimbursement development

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agreement with uh with Fowl Road

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Extension. Both of those been ongoing

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for several several months. And uh if

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any anybody want to comment on any of

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those things, we're welcome to pull it.

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If not, I will entertain a motion for

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consent agenda. Move. Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion second. Any further

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discussion?

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>> No, sir.

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>> Not hearing it. All in favor say I. Any

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opposed?

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>> Sounds like the eyes have it. The eyes

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do have it. Motion approved. Thank you

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very much. Uh lison on reports. uh this

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is the opportunity where commissioners

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some of the things that they've been

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working on to share with the public uh

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some of the things that's going on

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generally and kind of what they're

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focused on. And I'm going to start to my

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uh left here. Start now with Jen. So

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Jen, do you have anything from public

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safety you'd like to comment on? I know

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we've been working on a few things.

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>> Yes. Yes. So, we've got some individual

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updates from fire, police, and then um a

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comment about the joint public safety um

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issue that we've been working on. Uh so,

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the fire department members, they have

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attended the SFRE conference in Raleigh

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for training and professional

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development. So,

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strong emphasis on continuing um you

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know, individual development within I'm

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sorry, I thought my mic just No, I'm

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okay.

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Uh the department is still speaking with

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apparatus vendors to replace engine 153.

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Recruitment is underway to fill two

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firefighter vacancies and six candidates

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have advanced to interviews and um and

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the fire department did conduct a

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critical incident stress debrief

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following the fatal um Willow Tower

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Court fire. So and there's an

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afteraction review scheduled for next

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week too. So I know that that was a

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tough one for some of the the folks.

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police department. They met with Wake

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County Public Schools regarding safety

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protocols and recruitment is still

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underway for police officer and sergeant

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positions. Uh, one thing to note,

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National Night Out is scheduled for

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October 6 from 5:30 to 7:30 at Redford

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Place Park. And the police department

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continues to offer its internet exchange

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safe zone at the fire department on the

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side of the building so that if you're

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making a marketplace transaction, it's

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just a safe place to do so. Um the the

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one issue that we have been working on

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uh

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mayor, myself, town manager, both chiefs

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met with the uh DOT

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out of nowhere. They blocked off the

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emergency turnaround at the intersection

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of um Young and 401. It was something

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that's been utilized basically since the

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intersection has been up with no

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warning. They put up big yellow

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signs so that they couldn't access that

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point to be able to get to emergency

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calls on the other side of 401. Um

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there wasn't much of a reason for it.

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So, we have been working with DOT to get

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a resolution to clear that pathway for

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our emergency services vehicles to

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decrease uh call times.

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» Thank you. Appreciate that. Jean.

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Okay. Commissioner Wall planning

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department. Anything?

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>> Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, we we didn't have a

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lot to report um from last meeting, but

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there are a few things that will be

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coming before us. Um there is the minor

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subdivision lot frontage that um the

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planning board um they're beginning

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conversations on on what that would look

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like in regards to um the frontage of a

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minor subdivision based upon the 25th um

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uh fault 20 foot I want to give it the

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right wording please uh

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based upon the 20 ft in width on a

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public street where there may be some

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instances where exceptions are

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reasonable. Um and that is something

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that we're going to be talking about in

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general. Next up will also be some

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technical corrections that we made uh to

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TA-26.007

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and there are some conversations that

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we'll be having about the overlay um

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around the downtown area. Um over and

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beyond that, Mr. Mayor, those are all

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the updates that I have at this time

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from planning.

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>> Thank you. Appreciate that,

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Commissioner. Um next, uh the parks and

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wreck.

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>> All right. Yeah,

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>> we had our meeting on July 22nd and as

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you just witnessed our um AU girls

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softball team. So that was uh exciting

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for them. We have a roughly 349 kids to

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play baseball and softball. These

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numbers were as of July 22nd. Soccer

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roughly 290 kids. Flag flag football

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roughly 103 kids. So, they are filling

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up and I'm sure they're more than that

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right now at this point. And so, that's

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um exciting to have those fill up. We

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have on 911 event that's coming up and

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that there's a 5K and a onemile walk

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that day as well as honoring and

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remembrance. and that will happen um on

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the 12th starting at 8:30 around 8:30 in

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the morning to 1. You can go to our

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website for more information for those

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three events. So, we're looking forward

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to that. We have a blood drive on

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September 18th from 10:00 to 3 here in

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the Roseville Community Center. At that

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time, the numbers were almost maxed out.

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May be full now. It is full now. No,

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still some slots left. Okay. So, you can

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still get in there to donate blood on

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September 18th.

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And there's some senior um updates,

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which I'm sure Commissioner Paul will

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take care of that part. Uh the ADA

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picnic tables uh at the

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park were taken care of. So, now those

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are ADA compliant. And we also have our

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gazebo that was painted and as well as

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the swings. That's at the Roseville, the

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main street park.

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Uh, aside from that, just an update that

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the farm is in design phase, so we're

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waiting to hear what's next with that.

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And that's all that I have.

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>> Thank you. Appreciate it. Commissioner,

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veterans, uh, commission officer.

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>> Yes, sir. This month, our nation

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observed four important military events.

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On August 4th, we marked the US Coast

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Guard birthday,

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celebrating the founding of the Revenue

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Cutter Service in 1790. the Coast Guard

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earliest predecessor on August 7th at

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Purple Heart Day, a day set aside to

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honor the service members who were

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wounded or killed in comeback while

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serving our country. August 16th, we

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recognize National Airborne Day. Who? We

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celebrate the first official US Army

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parachute jump conducted in 1940. Never

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understood jumping out of a airplane

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that is not going down.

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Love my airborne troops though. And on

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August 29th, we celebrate the Marine

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Forces Reserve birthday, marking the

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establishment of the Marine Corps

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Reserve in 1916.

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The Wake Forest Purple Heart Foundation

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on August 15th held its 17th annual

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Purple Heart banquet. The guest speaker

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was first lieutenant Patrick McCclary

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III, United States Marine Corps retired.

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The Joel fund. The Joel fund here in

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Roseville which serves as our veterans

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center held as quarterly recon which is

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called resource connection on August

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15th from 8:30 to 1000 hours at the Joel

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Center here in town. The conversation

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focused on resources for military

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connected kids and teens. If you're

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wondering what benefits, scholarships,

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or other resources your children may be

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eligible for, that event was for you.

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The next recon is 17 October and the

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topic is supportive services.

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Uh the veterans mory committee met by

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zoom on 30 July uh to discuss the design

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phase with ADW. So that way we can

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decide on a proper name, but as well as

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a trifecta of a justice uh memorial

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removing moving removing the George

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Taylor out of the park into the town

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campus as well as a 911 artifact being

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on um campus and our veterans memorial.

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So it should be the first of its kind.

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And Mr. Mayor and board, that's all I

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have.

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Great. Okay. And last, senior citizens.

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Um, Commissioner Paul.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening,

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everyone. Again, the senior center is

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continuing to gain momentum thanks to

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June Quincy and the rest of the parks

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and rec staff. Um, we're seeing a steady

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increase of participants and a number of

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programs offered. Uh, for what it's

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worth, my wife Theresa and I attended

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several line dancing classes and we had

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a great time. We intend to be regulars

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in there going forward. Um, tomorrow,

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August 19th, is the Golden Years Expo to

546
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,640
be held at Roseville Baptist Church.

547
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,279
Hours are from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.

548
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,200
There will be dozens of local vendors

549
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,720
there to discuss how they can help

550
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,720
improve the lives of our senior

551
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,880
residents. This event has grown

552
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,200
significantly year-over-year, so please

553
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,320
come out and see what you've been

554
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,080
missing. My understanding is that the

555
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,919
mayor will open the event and

556
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:53,520
Commissioner Alustin will be the MC.

557
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,000
Finally, the Senior Network is hosting

558
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,840
its third annual charity golf tournament

559
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,799
Thursday, September 10th at 9:30 a.m.

560
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,480
Spots are filling fast, so sign up today

561
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,080
for a fun-filled day of golf and

562
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,120
laughter. Visit the senioretwork.org for

563
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,960
more information to sign up as a sponsor

564
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,279
or a player. That's what I have for you,

565
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,159
Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

566
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:14,000
>> Thank you. Good job. Appreciate that.

567
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,880
And hope everybody come out tomorrow.

568
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520
You're a good appreciate.

569
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,679
Um, [snorts] so our next item is uh

570
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,600
couple of staff reports. Uh, economic

571
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,960
development update. Uh, Michael

572
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,880
McFarland. Now, he has a written report.

573
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Did you guys have any documents? We're

574
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,360
not going to read that tonight. Uh, we

575
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:34,960
are going to get a capital project

576
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:42,080
report update uh verbally from um our town engineer

577
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,720
got. So, if you would uh where's Scott

578
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,159
at? There he is. Um,

579
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:52,367
do you need uh you need video? You do.

580
00:25:52,367 --> 00:25:58,390
[snorts]

581
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,480
» While Scott getting uh that set up, we

582
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,480
also have a planning department update.

583
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,120
Uh that is also a paper report in your

584
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,240
packages from Steven Winsman. So you

585
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,520
guys have that in your package also. And

586
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000
that will conclude our staff reports.

587
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:27,110
And Scott, it's all yours.

588
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,880
I appreciate your time. I'm here to give

589
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:42,070
an update about the farm project.

590
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,320
Just some recap on what exactly the farm

591
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,799
is. It's it's broken up into a number of

592
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,720
phases. The first phase is actually

593
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,640
complete. That was the the driveway to

594
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200
the to the farm campus which is really

595
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,029
consic

596
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,600
parking as well as the entrances to the

597
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,600
farm off of 401. That has been

598
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,350
completed.

599
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,919
So that that phase has been complete. Um

600
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:10,159
we recently uh I think DOT signed off on

601
00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:12,880
it and everything was done. So we're

602
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,559
moving now and here here's just a

603
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,240
picture of what's out there currently.

604
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,760
It's just a phase one. Shows the

605
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,600
driveway. It's got the loop around and

606
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,039
it has two entrances off of 401. So now

607
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,559
we are moving into the design phase. And

608
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,640
what what is going on is now phase two

609
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,120
is going to be the soccer complex. The

610
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,720
reason that we've moved the soccer

611
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720
complex up into the next phase that

612
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,400
we're going to be working on is because

613
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,480
of some of the grants that we have have

614
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,960
received. Um, and then they have a

615
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,039
three-year shelf life. So, one of them

616
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,039
is like a a matching grant from the from

617
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:50,480
Wake County, $3.8 million, which we will be matching that. And we also

618
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,000
have gotten some money from the North

619
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,559
Carolina football club. Um, I think

620
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,080
initially they had pledged like a

621
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,600
million dollars. It might be more than

622
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,440
that to complete what they what they're

623
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,279
going to be doing on the soccer fields.

624
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:02,960
Um, but certainly they have been

625
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
committed to finish the soccer fields

626
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,320
once what it is. So, we're going to get

627
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,919
to the the soccer fields to a rough

628
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,840
grading stage and then they're going to

629
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,440
come in and finish it with putting on

630
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,520
the fine grading. Um, you know, putting

631
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,039
all the markings down and things like

632
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,720
that and they'll complete the the soccer

633
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,720
phase. And this phase also is going to

634
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,960
be including a parking lot. And I'll

635
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,440
kind of go down here. This is this is

636
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,039
kind of what this phase looking like.

637
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,480
It's going to it's going to extend the

638
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,919
loop road. So, it's going to go all the

639
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:30,399
way that center part that is the now

640
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:34,240
what's going to be phase three where the the community center is will be

641
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320
someday. So, the road that is the loop

642
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,520
road that kind of completes around

643
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,039
there. I think that was important so we

644
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:40,640
could have you know when people are

645
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,720
coming in and out of the park if there's

646
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,399
games going on people are coming in

647
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:46,080
people are leaving it gives some sort of

648
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,760
traffic flow that you know won't cause a

649
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,600
lot of congestion in there. So, this

650
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,200
phase, it does include the soccer

651
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,279
fields. It includes a pavilion down

652
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,000
there on the far left side of it in

653
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,840
between where the the four soccer fields

654
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,679
are. And it's going to it's going to

655
00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:01,840
include all of the uh parking that's

656
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,919
associated with this particular phase.

657
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,679
And it's and each of these phases is

658
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:06,960
going to be designed independently. So,

659
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360
this one has its own water from wells

660
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440
and septic. And so, that's going to be

661
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440
phase two. And here is just some

662
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,919
renderings kind of of what that might

663
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,600
look like. Here's the soccer field

664
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080
again. um the pavilion. This is just an

665
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,440
image that we could that's one of the renderings that they put forth that

666
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,080
we can um that we it could possibly look

667
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,840
like. But once now that we're in the

668
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,799
design phase, we're going to start

669
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,880
getting a little bit more details about

670
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,480
that.

671
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:40,640
So, now now the multi-use activity center

672
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720
is that is going to be phase three of

673
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,080
the project. That's going to be after

674
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,399
the soccer fields. Um, this one is

675
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:49,120
estimated to cost a total of $10.4

676
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
million and that is going to include the

677
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,520
activity center itself, the event lawn

678
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,720
that's kind of in the middle of that

679
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,640
loop road and all the associated

680
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,000
infrastructure, you know, well and

681
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,760
septic and then things like that.

682
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,000
And so here is just some more uh

683
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,760
renderings of what the activity center

684
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840
might possibly look like. This includes

685
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,600
like uh indoor facilities for

686
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,600
basketball, pickle ball, it's going to

687
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,399
include bathrooms obviously. Um, and so

688
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,080
that's that's what we have envisioned

689
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,600
for that. And I think once we get kind

690
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,039
of closer to that design phase, that's

691
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,159
when we're going to get more of the

692
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:21,840
details and specifically what that

693
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,679
building is going to look like. Um, but

694
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:28,399
that's going to start taking place after we I think the design phase will

695
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:30,320
start under once the construction of

696
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,080
phase two begins. And I think I'll back

697
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,520
up real quick. I don't think I gave you

698
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,520
the the dates on that. So, we're

699
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,919
expecting the design for the phase two,

700
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,520
the soccer fields to be completed by the

701
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,440
end of this year. That's I'm hopeful for

702
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,600
that. Um, and construction is going to

703
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,960
begin in some summer of next year, and I

704
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,919
would expect it to take about uh 12

705
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:51,440
months to complete the construction. So,

706
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,880
we're looking about opening the soccer

707
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,600
fields up in summer 2028, hopefully

708
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,559
spring, so we can get use of it a little

709
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,600
bit more. So, there's phase three. Uh,

710
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,120
here's the activity center. And finally,

711
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,799
the last phases is what's called the

712
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,880
agro tourism area. It's also been

713
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,799
referred to as the orchard. This is

714
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,279
going to be um basically a cleaning up

715
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:12,960
of that particular area. I think there's

716
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440
an existing uh farmhouse that may be

717
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,960
demolished. I think that's expected to

718
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,120
be demolished. Uh there are barns and

719
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200
other structures out there that will be

720
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
evaluated to see if they're viable

721
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,559
because I think it's been expressed if

722
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,480
they want to keep those as part of uh

723
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,799
you know as part of that phase. Um and

724
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,480
so and it's going to include any kind of

725
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,480
landscaping and any pedestrian

726
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
improvements that might be left over. So

727
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,559
that would could be some greenway trails

728
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:42,480
um that would surround the rest of the uh the property.

729
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000
And so we're hoping that phase that's

730
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,039
going to be obviously that's going to be

731
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,120
pushed out a little bit further once the

732
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,640
community center, the activity center

733
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,919
has been uh underway. And so here's just

734
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:53,679
some more renderings of what that phase

735
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,000
of it is. It's uh you know it's got got

736
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,440
the trees, it's got the landscaping,

737
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
it's got the the lawn area and uh as

738
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,679
well as some you know pathways greenways

739
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:06,240
that traverse the entire area. I know

740
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640
that some in in some past renderings

741
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,080
there's a there's the part the portion

742
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,840
that's south of the two ponds out there

743
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,880
that still is in consideration but the

744
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,880
costs in order to do something on that

745
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,640
side of would be high because we would

746
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200
have to really rehabilitate the dams to

747
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,519
those particular ponds and that's a

748
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,440
really expensive proposition. So, we're

749
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,919
going to once we get sort of moving

750
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,279
towards that phase of it, we're really

751
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,720
going to sit down and do an analysis, a

752
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,880
costbenefit analysis of if if it's worth

753
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,600
it to to really use that south side of the property. But for now, I just

754
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,120
we're going to leave it with with this

755
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,480
particular phase.

756
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,799
And so, that's my update on the farm.

757
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,320
I'd be glad to answer any questions that

758
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,080
you might have.

759
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,679
>> How many soccer fields are we looking

760
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:52,159
at?

761
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,640
>> Four. Four full-size soccer fields.

762
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,399
>> Is that consistent? I know we have

763
00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:00,000
talked about having some hosting leagues

764
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,320
or something. Was that consistent, Eric?

765
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,000
>> Yeah, I think five had been talked about

766
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,080
at one point, but when our conversations

767
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,000
with the football club Junior, you can

768
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,679
that four was going to be sufficient for

769
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:10,480
what they needed.

770
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480
>> Okay, thank you.

771
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,880
>> And then are we I know at a certain

772
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,440
point in and talks there were going to

773
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,679
be some baseball fields too. Is that out

774
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:22,240
of the question? Is that another phase?

775
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
>> That's included in the future phases.

776
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,919
It's not going to be done with phase two

777
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:27,519
or phase three, but it's still in

778
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,200
consideration. There was there was some

779
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,720
renderings that showed the baseball

780
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,240
fields kind of over near Weather Soccer

781
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,679
Field one, and it was also one kind of

782
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,440
on the orchard side of it. That's still

783
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
into consideration, but it's pushed off

784
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,919
into a future phase like the associated

785
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:41,440
with the phase four possibly.

786
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,000
>> Okay. And then do you have any kind of

787
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,200
goal dates for phase two or no, I'm

788
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,840
sorry, phase three with the um activity

789
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,559
center.

790
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:51,600
>> What kind of

791
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,200
>> like time frames? Um, I would consider

792
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,200
design of that once we get under

793
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,799
construction of phase two, which I think

794
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,679
I said summer of 2027, moved into 28.

795
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:03,039
That's when we would enter the design

796
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,120
phase for that. And hopefully, you know,

797
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,640
on the heels of the design phase, we'd

798
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,480
be moving right into that next phase,

799
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,190
which would be 2028.

800
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,599
» You mentioned parking. I Great idea. Do

801
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,839
you just curiosity, how much parking are

802
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,599
you guys? Um, in phase two, I think

803
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,720
there was 208 parking spaces. Let me see

804
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,159
if I go back here. It's it's very small

805
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,399
on the the drawing that I have. Yeah,

806
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:32,399
208 spaces in phase two.

807
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:35,679
And in phase three, oh, I can't see.

808
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,079
It's so small.

809
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:39,040
I

810
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,639
>> phase three doesn't pick up.

811
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,079
>> It doesn't pick up. That's just going to

812
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,520
continuation what's already there. But

813
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,599
that part, the the the part that is

814
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,679
gravel, that is also part of phase two.

815
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,200
They're going to go ahead and pave that

816
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,599
and and make make so it's no longer

817
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,760
gravel. I think that's like 80 spaces or

818
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,560
I think

819
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,240
>> so that 80 plus the 208.

820
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,480
>> Yes, that's correct. Yep. Yeah, we kind

821
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,160
of did the parking for the soccer field

822
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,400
so that it would in we really it's a

823
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,920
long way from where that other parking

824
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,280
lot is. So, we want to make sure we have

825
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,800
plenty of spaces for the for the soccer

826
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,440
fields in the pavilion.

827
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,760
>> Question for you, sir. Um, on this

828
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,760
drawing illustration, could you show us

829
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,839
the possibility of where the baseball

830
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:17,520
softball field could go?

831
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,320
>> Yeah,

832
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,720
>> do I have a laser pointer?

833
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,560
>> This it's not going to show up on the

834
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,160
screen. It's if you look at the top

835
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,760
right of that oval where the parking lot

836
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,520
is is kind of to the right of it. Right

837
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,599
above that, that empty space right there

838
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,160
kind of between the parking lot and 401,

839
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,599
that's where one of the baseball fields

840
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,440
was going to go. And the second one is

841
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,240
going to go on the other side of um the

842
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,160
community center um kind of the other

843
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,760
side of that ring road on the kind of

844
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,440
the northeast portion that there's kind

845
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,560
of a grayed out area,

846
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,839
>> a gray area. I see that.

847
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:48,720
>> Yep. Yep.

848
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,760
>> Yes, sir.

849
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,910
>> Thank you.

850
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
» I got one other question about cost.

851
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,320
10.4 million for phase three. Is that I

852
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:02,800
hear that correct?

853
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
>> That's correct. and then 10.1

854
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,960
million for this particular phase, but

855
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,240
we have some of that covered by Wake

856
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,200
County.

857
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,760
>> It's a grant. The 3.8 of that it's going

858
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,880
to be reimburseable. So, we're going to

859
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,320
have to, you know, pay for it up front.

860
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,000
And then, so we're going to match that

861
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,240
with our 3.8. And the remainder of it is

862
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,599
kind of how to finish out the soccer

863
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:22,960
fields, which is going to be the

864
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,040
responsibility of the the football club.

865
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,280
I not trying to make everything

866
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,200
monetized driven, but is there any other

867
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520
way we can cut some cost in regards to

868
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,680
sponsorships or additional grants that

869
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,440
we have available that we could not have

870
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,359
to take on so much of that 3.8 just out

871
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:38,640
of curiosity?

872
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560
>> Certainly look into that. I think that's

873
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,079
the reason that we went after the 3.8

874
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,480
with Wake County and when we're always

875
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,000
absolutely we could ask our consultants

876
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:46,800
to kind of take a look.

877
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
>> I I would love to hear just another way

878
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,760
to eliminate that 3.8 from us if we can.

879
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,599
Um so that would be great to have that

880
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,599
conversation. Absolutely. I'll do that.

881
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:59,510
>> Thank you.

882
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,750
» Other questions,

883
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,400
too.

884
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,160
>> Okay. Thank you, Scott, for the update.

885
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,359
Any other updates you have?

886
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:09,440
>> Um, I I would like to give just kind of

887
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,040
a quick update on Main Street.

888
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,720
Obviously, it's a continuing progress

889
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,280
that's going on. Um, Fred Smith is

890
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,440
continuing to do our punch list items.

891
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,520
They they've done quite a bit of it, but

892
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,520
they still have some things to complete.

893
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440
It's, you know, they they keep giving us

894
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,119
dates and sometimes they meet them and

895
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,880
sometimes they don't. But really the

896
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,400
things that are down to being finished

897
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,079
are they have one section of the

898
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,320
greenway that needs to be need some new

899
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,839
asphalt because it got torn up a little

900
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,000
bit during construction. Um there is

901
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400
quite a bit of cracked sidewalk and like

902
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480
handicap ramps and curbs and things like

903
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,920
that. That's one of the things that

904
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,960
because that's kind of a lot of hand

905
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,280
work and that takes a lot longer to do

906
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,960
and that is the reason that kind of the

907
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,640
barrels are still in place because they

908
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,560
need those there for safety reasons. if

909
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,760
they have to block a lane because

910
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,040
obviously if they're working on curb

911
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,720
right along the the line of that it's

912
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,960
kind of dangerous. So there still will

913
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,560
be some times when there's going to be

914
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,720
lane closures um during Main Street, but

915
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,320
it will be during the day and hopefully

916
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,079
it won't be all day. I know today was

917
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,440
one of those days where we had some

918
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,200
lanes and that some of it was Fred Smith

919
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,760
and some of it was like AT&T, but some

920
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,680
of the other things um that are still

921
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,599
left to do, they got to put some of the

922
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,520
um reflectors on some of the mediums so

923
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,800
at night people can see them. they're

924
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,560
more visible and there's a couple of

925
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,400
ballards uh that need to be placed on

926
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,240
the lower side of the greenway and one

927
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,160
of the main things that uh certainly is

928
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,720
I keep telling them about is the uh the crosswalk lightings are not some of

929
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,079
them are functioning some of them are

930
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:33,920
not and that's due I think some of the

931
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,280
batteries that were sent with them

932
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,640
that's on the punch list and that is

933
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,480
certainly one going to be the priorities

934
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,680
getting those things up and running

935
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,800
because you don't want to put

936
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,880
pedestrians at risk if you don't have to

937
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,640
and I've crossed that road at some of

938
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040
these pedestrian crossings and people

939
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,640
sometimes people stop, sometimes they

940
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,720
don't. So, we'll have to keep our eyes

941
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,079
open for that. But that's certainly one

942
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,200
of the things we're going to be doing.

943
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,480
>> Now, has Fred Smith been

944
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,240
engaging?

945
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,280
>> Are they engaging? They Yes. Well, let

946
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,119
me Would you like me to be more direct

947
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,160
or would you because I'm trying has the

948
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,800
process with them lately where they've

949
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,119
been engaged as you have called and

950
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,560
reached out in regards to these punch

951
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,079
list items?

952
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,640
>> Um because we've had an ongoing problem

953
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,920
since we've had this project of that

954
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,839
lack of response. I'm just curious if

955
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:23,680
it's a continuation of the same.

956
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,920
>> They have been responsive to our punch

957
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,760
list items specific. One of the specific

958
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,520
ones was like uh some weeds. There was a

959
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,880
lot of weeds that were growing in the

960
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,880
medium. They did go out there. I kind of

961
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,320
walked the median yesterday kind of up

962
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,520
and down and you could tell that there

963
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,480
were a lot of places where they were

964
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,079
pulling up weeds. They did a lot of

965
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,839
spraying which means they did they just

966
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:41,200
died and they didn't pull them up.

967
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,480
That's going to be another item that's

968
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,480
on my list. I want them to come back out

969
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,640
here to do another run of the weeds um

970
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,800
and just to get it at least spotless but

971
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,720
you know before we as the town have to

972
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,920
start taking over the maintenance for

973
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,560
it.

974
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,480
>> And uh have they given a date of

975
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,640
completion for these punch list items?

976
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
>> They keep has telling us they by the end

977
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,150
of August

978
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,839
optimistic and hopeful that they will

979
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:04,480
stay to that point.

980
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,440
>> Interesting. Yeah, because didn't they

981
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,400
tell us mid August earlier?

982
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:08,640
>> Yes.

983
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,480
>> Yeah. They keep they keep moving the the

984
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,440
goal line.

985
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,119
>> They keep moving the goal line. They you

986
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,839
know they they have told me they're

987
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:16,720
having some problems with their

988
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,720
subcontract the concrete people which is

989
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,160
a reason that they kind of haven't been

990
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,640
out there as much as possible. And yes,

991
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,359
we're we are having continued

992
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,200
conversations with them about payments

993
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,280
and stuff like that of what we can what

994
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,079
we can do to speed them up. And so they

995
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,599
lately

996
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,320
>> I I wish they could be better, but I

997
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,440
think they're they're [clears throat]

998
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,640
going to get it done and when it's all

999
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,760
said and done, it's going to be a good

1000
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,040
product.

1001
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,839
>> So I'm not holding you to this, okay?

1002
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:46,240
I'm not. But they they have shared with

1003
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,920
you end of August is the designated time

1004
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,760
for the completion of the punch punch

1005
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,400
list.

1006
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,280
>> That's that is the schedule that they

1007
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,960
have told me.

1008
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,400
>> And can you say with your personal uh

1009
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,440
evaluation? Do you have confidence that

1010
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,760
the end of August we will be able to say

1011
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,079
as a town that we can say we're towards

1012
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:09,359
the end of this punch list? Don't

1013
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:10,960
obligate yourself to get yourself in any

1014
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,319
trouble, sir. I wish I could say with

1015
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:13,920
full confidence, but I'm going to say it

1016
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,069
may leak into September.

1017
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,240
» And that once everything's gone, that

1018
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,480
includes the barrels, the silk fence,

1019
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,599
>> the pond that's out there. It's it

1020
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,280
>> for for for for folks to understand

1021
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,200
because I know for myself, Eric, I I

1022
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,800
know I bother you about it constantly,

1023
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,319
but

1024
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,079
the understanding that all of the orange

1025
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,040
cones, the barrels, the the fencing,

1026
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,040
none of that can legally be taken up

1027
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,839
until the DO,

1028
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:43,920
>> correct me, correct me if I'm wrong, the

1029
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160
>> DEU, they're the ones in charge of,

1030
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,440
>> right, that says, okay, checklist,

1031
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,040
everything is done. and the town says,

1032
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,880
"Okay, the punch list is is done

1033
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,359
incorrect." And then

1034
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:55,680
>> Yeah.

1035
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,119
Once the government signs off on

1036
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,280
their red tape, then all of the orange

1037
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,880
go over the color orange right now.

1038
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,680
>> It's potentially the barrels could leave

1039
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,880
a little area because that's a safety

1040
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,400
consideration for Fred Smith and its

1041
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,839
employees. If they're able to finish

1042
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,280
that work and you no longer do the

1043
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,800
barrels, they can take those out. But

1044
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,480
the silk pen is directly tied to their

1045
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,520
permit with the state.

1046
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,760
>> Yeah. Okay. because that was a a

1047
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,040
learning point for myself too. So just

1048
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,280
for any frustration to understand that

1049
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,560
it's it's all red tape government red

1050
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,160
tape.

1051
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,280
>> Not our government.

1052
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,040
>> No no not ours.

1053
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,790
>> Yes.

1054
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,720
Any other questions board? I don't I

1055
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,000
don't think we have given them final

1056
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,200
payment. Have we?

1057
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,119
>> That that was my question.

1058
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,640
>> That's and we don't give them final

1059
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,839
payment to all this.

1060
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:46,960
>> Um that's correct. There's correct board

1061
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,800
for that. We give you a directive.

1062
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,640
>> Yeah, there's a retainage and then also

1063
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,119
when it comes to the punch list that is

1064
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,960
considered to be rework and so there are

1065
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,560
no additional costs associated with the

1066
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,359
punch list. Punch listing oftent times

1067
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,520
when the subcontractor is remobilized

1068
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,520
that's kind of part of it. um they try

1069
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,119
to schedule concrete when they have

1070
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,520
concrete going on in other projects in

1071
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,359
the area, things of that nature because

1072
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:14,640
in some cases the this amount is not

1073
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,319
enough for a large quantity. So the

1074
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,240
price will shift on them and so you

1075
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,680
experience that stuff on place listing

1076
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,839
where things will be more convenient,

1077
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,119
but we are holding them to that and

1078
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,400
trying to get that as documented as

1079
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,760
possible. Um we know and trust them to

1080
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,160
be who they've been.

1081
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,839
>> Say that again. no one trust them to be

1082
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,280
who they have been for us

1083
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,560
>> which is the concern

1084
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,440
>> and so um we are we will continue

1085
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,000
working all the different angles we've

1086
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,599
been doing in the past when we haven't

1087
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,599
been um happy with the expect with the

1088
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:49,910
timelines and the delivery

1089
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,640
the biggest concerns I've heard from the

1090
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,400
citizens and you we mentioned both of

1091
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,839
them so there's no need to harper on

1092
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:58,560
them one has to do with the fencing the

1093
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
orange fencing that's in people's yards

1094
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,280
and the barrels that's in the street.

1095
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,640
They've done a good job of getting them

1096
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,960
out of the street lately, but those two

1097
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,000
things those two things from the public

1098
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,359
has been very vocal. Um, so stay on top

1099
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,200
of that. And the other one you mentioned

1100
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,200
has to do with all the weeds that grows

1101
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,760
in the nice landscaping we did and now

1102
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,319
there we

1103
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:23,760
can't even see the landscaping for

1104
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,520
weeds. And um it doesn't look like a $23

1105
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,359
million project when you got weeds out

1106
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:34,720
there growing that high. So I've heard a

1107
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,359
lot of talk about that. So keep on top

1108
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:39,040
of them on that. And and you said they

1109
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,160
were cleaning that up some.

1110
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,160
>> They had already made one run at getting

1111
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,599
out the weeds. They pulled some of them.

1112
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,599
They sprayed some of them and which

1113
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,200
means they just died. They're brown. I

1114
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,800
think those need to come out too. So

1115
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,000
that's that's definitely an item that

1116
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,680
we're going to continue to be on

1117
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,359
>> and then at some point we'll take it

1118
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:54,160
over.

1119
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,599
>> That's correct. Our public works

1120
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,520
department will be responsible for it,

1121
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,960
you know, moving forward once we accept

1122
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,680
the project.

1123
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,599
>> So keep us informed when we take it when we take it over. So we will know

1124
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,839
that it's not Fred Smith. We waiting on

1125
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,280
it's public works.

1126
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,960
>> I am curious about something. If we were

1127
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,640
to go out and manage the medium, could

1128
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,119
we bill Fred Smith for our work that

1129
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:18,640
we've done?

1130
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,000
Um, no. And and you could avoid

1131
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,760
>> But could we avoid a portion of their

1132
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,800
>> We could void like the warranty punchy.

1133
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,200
>> Uh,

1134
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,640
>> so we can keep them asking to do it.

1135
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,319
They they won't since it's a punch list

1136
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:31,680
item, they can't charge us. They're not

1137
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,599
charging us more every time we call them

1138
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:34,480
out there.

1139
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,079
>> Okay. It's the warranty piece though.

1140
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,599
Okay. Okay.

1141
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:40,480
Thank you.

1142
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,760
>> Yeah. Appreciate [clears throat] it.

1143
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,870
Thank you, Scott. Thank you. Um,

1144
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,800
so, uh, we got a couple business items

1145
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,640
to do. One of them is the Rolls of

1146
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Chamber of Commerce. I think Michael

1147
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,560
McFarland is going to kick that off. So,

1148
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,040
I see him coming up. Michael McFarland,

1149
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,599
our economic development manager. So, if

1150
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,920
you would uh, kind of tell us what's I

1151
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,760
think that's in our package already. I

1152
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,400
think I saw that and read that. So, um,

1153
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,680
something you've been working on for a

1154
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:08,240
while.

1155
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,640
>> Yes. Yes, definitely. Uh, good evening,

1156
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,880
mayor and town board. Uh this is a

1157
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,760
continuation of the discussion we had um

1158
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,240
in July uh where we brought this before

1159
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,200
the board and there were questions from

1160
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,680
the town board at that meeting that um

1161
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,079
the chamber of commerce has responded to

1162
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,079
and and those responses are in the

1163
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,520
packet. Um a financial document and a

1164
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160
year in review of or or sort of a recap

1165
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,400
of activities. Um the draft uhou is also

1166
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,800
in the packet and

1167
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,839
um tonight if there's any more questions

1168
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:46,480
I'm here and the um Malcolm is is here

1169
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,000
again the executive director of the

1170
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,160
chamber as well as the chamber board

1171
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,640
Alan Smith um if there are questions um

1172
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,280
but I think um we're just looking for

1173
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,760
guidance either an approval or a denial

1174
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,880
or a continuation or if there's more

1175
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,160
questions or more information that's

1176
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,079
needed we

1177
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,119
look to provide that as well.

1178
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,829
>> Sounds good.

1179
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,520
» Are you going to present or do you just

1180
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,680
want to know if we have questions? Yeah,

1181
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,880
there's no other presentation just

1182
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,550
>> um

1183
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,480
so first is um

1184
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,520
who has fiduciary oversight of the

1185
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,880
chamber? Um so meaning who is

1186
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,720
keeping track of all this, rectifying

1187
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,960
books, you know, um because I know

1188
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,400
there's been some turnover with the

1189
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,079
board. So, who is do we have a person

1190
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,000
that is maintaining all of that?

1191
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,319
>> We do. Um, I'll actually call Alan, but

1192
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:55,680
uh uh Kayn is our new uh treasurer and

1193
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,880
he is a CPA. Um we uh Allan and the

1194
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,800
team, we've come together to build a board that has professional

1195
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,319
services as a part of their thing. So,

1196
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:06,319
we have we're looking for an attorney.

1197
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:08,319
We're looking for a CPA. So, our CPA a

1198
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:10,160
CPA is our treasurer now.

1199
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,560
>> Okay. Good.

1200
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,839
the documents that you guys will receive

1201
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:21,589
in the report will be uh certified.

1202
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,839
» Oh, and then how how are we accounting

1203
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:27,920
for town money as far as being used

1204
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,920
specific for you know specific items in

1205
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,599
theou?

1206
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:34,960
um how are we accounting for that

1207
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,440
versus, you know, outside grants, fees,

1208
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,480
fundraising, all of that, you know,

1209
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,599
showing that direct division of funds

1210
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:44,720
and how they're being used,

1211
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,160
>> right? So, essentially, you'll get a

1212
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,000
report for a lot of what we're receiving

1213
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,800
monies for our events and those events

1214
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,880
will have a budget attached and you guys

1215
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,640
will receive that budget and see where

1216
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
your your town funds were allocated to

1217
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:00,960
specific things within.

1218
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,480
>> Okay. And just for clarification, I

1219
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,240
believe we talked about this last time,

1220
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,079
but

1221
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,040
theou money is not handed over in one

1222
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,079
big check. It's as as each project comes

1223
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,480
along. And then do we grant it upfront

1224
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,000
or do we reimburse?

1225
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,520
>> Uh for the most part reimbursement,

1226
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,839
they'll have to submit an invoice. Um

1227
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:21,680
there's a few instances where there's

1228
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,839
some preparation like let's say the

1229
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,480
barbecue bands festival. I think in the

1230
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,480
past as that's led up to the barbecue

1231
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,000
bands festival, there needed to be some

1232
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,319
upfront money. So, um, that took place

1233
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:34,400
like that. For the most part though,

1234
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,640
it's reimburseable

1235
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,040
>> and yeah, so this would just that pot of

1236
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,680
money sits in the town's account and as

1237
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,319
activities and projects happen, as an

1238
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:45,599
event happens like the barbecue and

1239
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,079
bands or as the youth leadership program

1240
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,040
begins and continues, they would invoice

1241
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,960
us um for that specific project and then

1242
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,119
we would reimburse.

1243
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,880
>> Okay. And Malcolm, I know that you spoke

1244
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,400
of this at the last meeting, but

1245
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,359
what are the chambers

1246
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:08,319
plan timeline to be able to go

1247
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:12,319
independent? Basically, be be selfunded

1248
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:13,520
um organization.

1249
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,359
>> As long as we carry ourselves with the

1250
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:17,599
plan that we have, we're about two years

1251
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,400
out. Uh what you'll see is, you know,

1252
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,920
potentially as long as everything goes

1253
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,280
well with the events that we have lined

1254
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,280
up, as well as getting more membership

1255
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,160
on board, you'll reduce, you know, our

1256
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,870
ask based on what we're able to do.

1257
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,319
» And we're being very aggressive with

1258
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:37,040
that. Very aggressive.

1259
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,720
>> Who's leading the youth leadership this

1260
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:39,359
year?

1261
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:40,559
>> Um, it's still going to be a

1262
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,160
partnership. We're still going to talk

1263
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,680
to Tisha only because of her

1264
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,480
involvement. Okay. But Sam will probably

1265
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,599
charge. We have some really, really cool

1266
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,359
uh programs that we have planned for you

1267
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:51,839
on this.

1268
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:53,440
>> It's very good.

1269
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,599
>> We actually um

1270
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,240
>> Oh my lord. I'm so sorry. [laughter]

1271
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,280
>> I'm so sorry.

1272
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,559
>> Forgot what I was going to say.

1273
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:07,440
So, forgive me. Um Oh. Um um

1274
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,880
programs. Uh I believe that the county

1275
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:17,359
is looking to partner with Roseville and Eastern Wake for AI projects as part

1276
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,760
of youth leadership. and curious if that

1277
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,680
is something that the uh chamber would

1278
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,079
like for me to continue to take on with

1279
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,000
a possibility of partnering as part of

1280
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,599
your youth leadership.

1281
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,839
>> 100%. And then the other thing is um

1282
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:32,240
we're doing um uh there's an office

1283
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,559
that's coming available in in the space.

1284
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,880
We're going to flip that into a podcast

1285
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,880
lounge so that the youth leadership can

1286
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,760
participate in that as well as members.

1287
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,480
So place content and things of that

1288
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,990
nature.

1289
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,800
Michael, I got a question for you. Theou

1290
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,920
lists the inind office space at um 200

1291
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,400
Eon Street with the market value, but it

1292
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,680
was left blank. Um could you provide me

1293
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,760
that figure so that way that the board

1294
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,000
>> might have to defer to the town attorney

1295
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,319
if we figured that number out yet? Um

1296
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:09,040
>> and and do we need that amount before we

1297
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,880
make a decision?

1298
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,800
>> That's my second. Last year it was about

1299
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,880
$6,516

1300
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,359
I think. So this year we envisioned

1301
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:19,040
probably a couple hundred bucks more

1302
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,119
based on market rate.

1303
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,119
>> We didn't see it going up too much, but

1304
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:24,640
it's in that realm.

1305
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,800
>> So in order to account for the market

1306
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,040
value of providing that rent support, we

1307
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,200
want to track that on ourou as an

1308
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,559
additional contribution that would

1309
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,760
otherwise be a cost uh to the chamber of

1310
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,000
commerce. And to ensure that that's

1311
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
tracking in a reasonable way, the

1312
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,400
adjustment is uh taking the rent from

1313
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,800
last year and then adding an escalator

1314
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,680
that happens to align with the uh

1315
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,680
escalator that the town itself has seen

1316
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,790
with regard to the planning department.

1317
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,200
» The final will have that number in there

1318
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,960
and then we would circulate this to the

1319
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,640
chamber to sign off and then it would

1320
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,400
come back to the town for signature.

1321
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,720
>> I do have a comment though. um from the

1322
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,960
growth that we've seen from the chamber

1323
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,000
of the membership from 100 to what 165

1324
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,280
and now up to 199 um shows a testament

1325
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,520
to your leadership and the guidance and

1326
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,079
the future of where our chamber can go.

1327
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,119
So it's good that we still or can have

1328
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:26,400
this partnership um going forward. But

1329
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,079
thank you for your leadership and what

1330
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:29,680
you have done in the last what 10

1331
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,119
months. Well, now officially next week

1332
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,280
will be a year because we we were 10

1333
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,920
months in June. So,

1334
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,470
>> congratulations on that. Thank you, sir.

1335
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,040
» Any other any other questions?

1336
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:51,839
>> Only thing I will expand on and I think I heard you say 100%. Maybe I was wrong about that.

1337
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:52,960
>> I'm sorry. Say that again.

1338
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,240
>> On the funding when you asked them the

1339
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,760
funding question when you have the

1340
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,160
funding. I think you said 100%. But I

1341
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,119
think there's a few items we'll always

1342
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:02,720
partner them with like the leadership

1343
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,359
thing. That's something we kind of

1344
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,200
driving, but they're doing it for us. So

1345
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,400
we'll always probably always have for

1346
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,680
some items, right?

1347
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,040
>> Christmas parade. I think

1348
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,800
>> Christmas parade is another one that we

1349
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,359
always probably fund them some for. So

1350
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:18,160
it would never be

1351
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,680
>> Yeah. It's just looking at, you know,

1352
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,559
bringing that down from Yeah. 40 plus

1353
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,160
thousand to, you know, a more nominal

1354
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,760
amount that covers the programs that are

1355
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,160
specific to, you know, the town like

1356
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,680
leadership and and Yeah.

1357
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,040
>> Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I exactly I think

1358
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,400
we're on the same page because I 100% I

1359
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,920
kind of took it that we would never at

1360
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,200
some point we wouldn't fund you no more,

1361
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,960
but I think it's we got some things that

1362
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,280
we

1363
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,119
>> to your point those those programs are

1364
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,079
like true partnership programs. I'm I'm

1365
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,400
speaking more about the

1366
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,680
bands.

1367
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,520
>> That's an event that once you once you

1368
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,599
do an event the right way, it undergards

1369
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,839
itself and if you manage your resources

1370
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:02,000
appropriately, you just move what you've

1371
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,800
made onto the next year. Um, but the

1372
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,319
reason why barbecue advance is so

1373
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,160
important for the area is because it

1374
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,480
becomes a signature event like South by

1375
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,559
Southwest in Austin, Texas, right?

1376
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,720
People don't think, you know, when they

1377
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,400
think South by Southwest, which is a

1378
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,079
very large festival, they think Austin,

1379
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:19,760
Texas and all the programs that come

1380
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,520
along with. I'm we're trying to

1381
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,920
establish that same thing for Roseville

1382
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,760
to create, you know, as we've talked

1383
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,480
about before, economic impact. So, if we

1384
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,319
have an event that, you know, depending

1385
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,400
on what the police department says we

1386
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,240
can handle, let's say we cap out at, you

1387
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,880
know, 15,000, well, that 15,000 will

1388
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,240
yield an economic impact about 2.52.6

1389
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,200
million perom. So, that's that's really

1390
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,200
what I came.

1391
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,280
And I think the last thing I will kind

1392
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,280
of do a follow-up question on um

1393
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,280
commissioners asking about the invoices

1394
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,293
and how we pay out and stuff. [cough]

1395
00:55:54,293 --> 00:55:56,000
[clears throat] I think just making more

1396
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,079
clarity and more transparent for the

1397
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:02,480
citizens on our side town side that

1398
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,040
comes out of your department. I think

1399
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,559
>> and and do you look at every invoice and make sure that the payment is is

1400
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,079
appropriate because it comes out of your

1401
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:13,200
budget I think. Right.

1402
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:13,920
>> Right. So you

1403
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,839
>> invoices are sent to me.

1404
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:18,720
>> So as our representative town staff

1405
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,640
person, you the one that makes sure

1406
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,119
everything's kind of all

1407
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:24,960
>> checking off the invoices and receipts,

1408
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:25,520
>> right? Yep.

1409
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:25,920
>> Okay.

1410
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,880
>> Yeah.

1411
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,640
>> And I I do want to thank you for that

1412
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,799
because in the time where we've seen

1413
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:33,280
where funds are being abused across this

1414
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,880
great state, um you have been dynamic in

1415
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,480
your approach to the way that you have

1416
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,240
managed that. So thank you for being

1417
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:41,920
very transparent with that. Is there

1418
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,359
anything that you guys really would like

1419
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,680
to see us kind of lean in for you on

1420
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,280
more as we move forward beyond the

1421
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,160
motion?

1422
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,910
>> Okay.

1423
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,400
» Um I did want to just add two two quick

1424
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,960
things in regards to Sorry, I want to

1425
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,200
lean towards the microphone um since

1426
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,920
it's right here. Um with regards to the

1427
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,599
invoicing, we do have those internal

1428
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,720
controls in place. And so the invoice

1429
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,119
comes in through Michael, um Amy and

1430
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,200
myself. We also we also sign off on

1431
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,440
those. When it comes to how the money is

1432
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,799
distributed, we look at the the

1433
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,400
partnership funding in two different

1434
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,160
buckets. One is going to be towards

1435
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,799
programs, other towards sponsorships.

1436
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:25,839
And so when you look at the

1437
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:28,240
sponsorships, those those funding those

1438
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,400
funds are usually released in the weeks

1439
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,079
leading up to the event so that the

1440
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,160
event can be possible. when it comes to

1441
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,200
the program [laughter] like the

1442
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,640
leadership Roseville, [clears throat]

1443
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,000
those things happen typically on the

1444
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,520
back end. And so that's the

1445
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,119
clarification between the front end and

1446
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,720
the back end um for that. Um and when it

1447
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,799
comes to leadership Roseville, we know

1448
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:48,400
that the leadership of that is in

1449
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,319
transition, but I just I wanted to shout

1450
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:53,040
out um Jamari Lashley. She's over at

1451
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,040
Rosewell High School. She was one of the

1452
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,040
teachers and facilitators within within

1453
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,559
that. She's the career development

1454
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,720
coordinator at Rosewood High School. So,

1455
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,799
she's one of the um she's she's going to

1456
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:04,240
be one of the lead facilitators that

1457
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,760
kind of transitions over and partners

1458
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,520
with them to make sure there's

1459
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,760
continuity in the program because um the

1460
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,359
facilitator last year, Miss Trisha,

1461
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,240
she's transitioned over with the weight

1462
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,680
force chamber and she's taking on the

1463
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,839
president job there and so but we're

1464
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:21,359
making sure that there's continuity for

1465
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:24,960
the students with that.

1466
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,119
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys. With so

1467
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,079
with that, I'll call the question. Um

1468
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:34,000
theou uh entertain a motion

1469
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,839
uh to approve or not to approve.

1470
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:37,280
>> So move

1471
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,280
>> to approve.

1472
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,359
>> I got a motion to approve. Is there a

1473
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:43,680
discussion? Sec. There's a second first.

1474
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,480
>> I'll second.

1475
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,319
>> Got a motion second. Is there any

1476
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:49,760
discussion? Further discussion. [snorts]

1477
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,079
Not hearing it. All in favor say I.

1478
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,000
>> Any opposed? Sounds like the eyes have

1479
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,680
it. Eyes do have. Motion approved. Thank

1480
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,880
you. Thank you, Michael. Appreciate

1481
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,880
that. Thanks for coming out tonight.

1482
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,119
appreciate be good seeing you out

1483
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:04,000
tonight. Thank you. Um, next item is

1484
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,160
personnel policy amendments. Uh,

1485
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,720
Cassandra Wright, uh, I think I saw her.

1486
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,040
Yeah, there she is. If you would, uh,

1487
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,400
come up, um, kind of tell us what you

1488
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,760
got going on.

1489
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,319
>> Good evening, mayor and board. My name

1490
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:20,319
is Shondaanda Wright. I am the human

1491
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:23,839
resources director for the town and I'm

1492
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:26,160
coming before you tonight to ask that

1493
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,240
you will approve uh some modifications

1494
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,200
to our town personnel policy. In your

1495
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,000
packets were all of the highlighted

1496
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,079
changes that have been made. I don't

1497
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,160
have a presentation for you tonight. Uh

1498
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,079
but if you've got questions about any of

1499
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,480
those changes, I'm happy to address

1500
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,680
those. There are four sort of key or

1501
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,040
larger changes that we're asking for.

1502
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,119
The first is to discontinue the practice

1503
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:57,119
of offering benefits and approval to our

1504
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,640
part-time regular part-time employees.

1505
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,920
Uh that is a small group of folks. The

1506
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,400
people that we have on staff right now,

1507
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,119
we are proposing that they retain and

1508
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,599
keep their benefits for the duration of

1509
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,520
time that they are here. But for any new

1510
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,720
people that we hire to uh replace people

1511
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,720
who are leaving, we would like to

1512
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,440
discontinue that practice. I think it's

1513
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,520
fiscally responsible.

1514
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,319
It's sort of above and beyond what is

1515
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:30,559
customary for part-time positions and we

1516
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,000
want to make sure that we're being

1517
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,559
responsible with town funds.

1518
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,960
>> Andre, how many people are

1519
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,520
>> currently receiving those benefits? I

1520
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,359
believe it's two if I'm not part a small

1521
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:44,000
group.

1522
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,240
>> How how many part-time positions do we

1523
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,680
have across the board in um within the

1524
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,040
town?

1525
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,240
>> There are a number of part-time

1526
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,839
positions. However, we do make a

1527
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:55,359
distinction between those that are

1528
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,079
benefit eligible and those that are not.

1529
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,400
So, I believe it's just a handful. It's

1530
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,119
no more than five uh positions that

1531
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:06,400
right now are targeted as part-time

1532
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,359
eligible for benefits. Well, and if it's

1533
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:11,359
only a handful and and I know that they

1534
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:13,440
only they would pay a portion, it would

1535
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,319
only be a prrated amount for healthare.

1536
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:18,000
>> What kind of cost savings are we talking

1537
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,559
about?

1538
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,440
>> I mean, it's about $6,000 for the

1539
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,760
average kind of part-time

1540
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,960
>> per person.

1541
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,319
per year. That's

1542
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:30,720
>> Is there an hour requirement like 30

1543
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,559
hours a week full?

1544
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:36,480
>> 25 is the threshold.

1545
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,440
So, anything above 25, we're required to

1546
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,240
pay benefits.

1547
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,160
>> And we would identify those folks as

1548
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,440
full-time.

1549
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,400
>> Well, I'm sorry. Say, so 25 hours a week

1550
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,040
plus is considered full-time for

1551
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:51,680
benefits.

1552
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,480
>> 30 plus.

1553
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,400
>> Oh, 30 plus.

1554
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,920
>> So, right now it's basically part-time

1555
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,119
for partial benefits is under 29 hours a

1556
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:06,309
week.

1557
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:08,480
plus working a regular schedule because

1558
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,000
again we have some staff that are

1559
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,480
identified as more temporary part-time

1560
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,079
and they're not currently eligible for

1561
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:14,720
benefits.

1562
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,440
>> Yeah, it's it's just knowing the work

1563
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,319
environment that is as at play, you

1564
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:22,799
know, in in our economy right now and

1565
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:24,559
how difficult it can be for some folks

1566
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,880
to find full-time work. to be able to

1567
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,400
have access to a handful of benefits I I

1568
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,359
think is very important and it doesn't

1569
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:36,480
seem like it's a significant,

1570
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,119
you know, cost-saving

1571
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,680
for the town. You know, whether or not

1572
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,760
they utilize it is is up to that person.

1573
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,280
But if somebody is utilizing it, they

1574
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,280
really need the help with healthc care

1575
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,880
benefits.

1576
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,520
um which is really I think the biggest

1577
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,440
>> that's probably the largest dollar item

1578
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,960
and that's why we are proposing that

1579
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,119
folks who have it will continue to be

1580
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,400
offered those benefits. question from a

1581
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,440
other municipality perspective.

1582
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,880
I know what happens in corporate

1583
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,359
America, but from other municipality,

1584
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:11,839
are we the outlier? Are we one of a few

1585
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:13,280
outliers that pays our part-time

1586
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:13,920
employees?

1587
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,559
>> I believe when I looked there were only

1588
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,359
a handful of other municipalities that

1589
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:22,160
are offering benefits to their uh

1590
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,039
part-time.

1591
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:23,520
>> Would you

1592
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,440
>> How many places did you look at?

1593
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,799
>> I believe out of about 40 there were 17.

1594
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:32,160
>> Just out of curiosity, what was the size

1595
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,839
of those municipalities? Do you know?

1596
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:37,359
>> It ranged from I believe it was 10,000

1597
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:40,400
up to 25,000 was the population size

1598
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,480
that I looked at.

1599
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,359
>> Thank you.

1600
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:45,920
>> What was the motivation for removing the

1601
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,799
benefits? Is it purely financial?

1602
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:51,359
>> It is primarily financial so that we're

1603
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:53,200
not out of step and out of line with

1604
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,440
other neighboring municipalities and

1605
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,990
even other part-time employers.

1606
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,599
You said primarily. So what else would

1607
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,359
it be?

1608
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:06,079
>> That's primarily what it is. Yeah.

1609
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:07,520
There's there's not really any other

1610
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:08,400
motivator.

1611
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,920
>> Yeah. I mean in the private sector, you

1612
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,640
don't get benefits of part-time. So I'm

1613
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,480
just but I'm also more curious about how

1614
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,400
many other municipalities are playing

1615
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,599
the game. So thank you.

1616
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:22,319
>> Next uh item that I'm going to put

1617
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:25,280
before you is the removal of

1618
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,000
compensatory time from the There's no

1619
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,559
policy. What we're proposing is that

1620
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,400
employees instead of acrewing

1621
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,000
compensatory time will be paid overtime

1622
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,000
directly

1623
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,119
in in funds in cash or per their check

1624
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,640
for any hours that they work over time.

1625
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,520
So we're not suggesting that we don't

1626
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,920
pay them. We're just suggesting that we

1627
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,640
no longer offer the ability to acrue

1628
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,319
comp time.

1629
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:58,480
>> You explain comp time though to me. I I was just getting kind of confused

1630
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,520
about it. So, what is the current policy

1631
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,760
and how does it work with an example

1632
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,359
versus what um is being proposed today?

1633
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:10,880
>> So, if a employee who is non-exempt, so

1634
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,720
they're eligible to be paid for

1635
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,359
overtime. If they work, for example,

1636
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:17,680
five hours in excess of their 40 hour

1637
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:18,799
schedule,

1638
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:20,640
>> uh, with compensatory time, they could

1639
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,920
bank that five hours and use it at some

1640
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:24,880
point in the future,

1641
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,960
>> like for vacation time

1642
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,000
>> for time off,

1643
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,240
>> right? Okay. Yeah. for sometime at some

1644
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,079
point in the future. Uh if they were

1645
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,880
paid directly sort of hour for hour

1646
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,960
within the pay period that it was

1647
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,760
earned, we would pay them at time and a

1648
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,559
half for that five hours that they

1649
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:43,599
worked in.

1650
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:45,359
>> So would they do they have do they

1651
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:47,599
currently have the option to bank to be

1652
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,880
able to utilize for time off or

1653
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,799
basically be paid out at time and a

1654
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:55,599
half? Is that how it is now?

1655
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,160
>> So they could be paid out. Yes. or they

1656
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,559
can bank it. The problem comes with uh

1657
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,960
sort of kicking the ball down the field

1658
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,079
into the future because as employees

1659
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:11,440
stay with us uh their earnings increase,

1660
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,680
their salary increases. Now that five

1661
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,599
hours perhaps cost us one hourly rate.

1662
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,400
this year, five years in the future,

1663
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,280
that same five hours will cost us more

1664
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,960
because the employee will be earning

1665
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,119
more and we have to pay it out at the

1666
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:28,240
rate

1667
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,119
>> in which they

1668
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,359
>> and there's no max I'm sorry there's no

1669
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:34,000
max on how many they can acrue right

1670
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:34,640
now.

1671
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,680
>> I believe they can roll over 100 hours.

1672
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,760
>> So somebody can leave in five years with

1673
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,280
a 100 hours that you're going to pay

1674
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,400
them x dollars more an hour for.

1675
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,640
Couldn't we cap it so that they couldn't

1676
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,440
acrewue more than 80 hours or something?

1677
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,200
And it seems like I get if you, you

1678
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,480
know, earn 100 hours comp time today and

1679
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,720
cash out five years from now, it might

1680
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,039
cost more than paying overtime, but

1681
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,960
otherwise the overtime is more

1682
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,559
expensive.

1683
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,640
Paying out directly.

1684
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,760
>> The overtime perhaps is more expensive

1685
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,079
today, but it's not more expensive in

1686
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,319
future dollars.

1687
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,880
depending on cost of living increases,

1688
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:19,920
what have you.

1689
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,160
>> So, so you're proposing to wave comp

1690
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,200
time alto together.

1691
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,520
>> Comp time. We'd like to encourage our

1692
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,079
hiring managers and supervisors to

1693
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:30,559
either allow employees to take some flex

1694
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:33,280
time. So, if they worked two or three or

1695
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,680
five hours over, they can take that time

1696
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,640
off uh in that pay period or they can be

1697
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,000
paid out in that pay period.

1698
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,680
>> Who would determine who would determine

1699
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,079
how that is done? whether it's it's you

1700
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:45,839
know they they take a few hours flex

1701
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:48,480
time or if it's overtime pay

1702
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,559
>> we would expect the department director

1703
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,359
or the managers to work with the with

1704
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:54,640
the staff to do that.

1705
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,599
>> Okay. Because my concern would be,

1706
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,760
you know, for whatever reason they're

1707
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,520
not approving overtime, but yet this

1708
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,200
person has, say, you know, five to six

1709
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,559
hours, because I just see this happening

1710
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:10,079
a lot with parks and wreck, with police

1711
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,640
and fire and public works just because

1712
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,799
of of activities,

1713
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:18,239
right, that the town holds. So if

1714
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,000
they're not able to take that flex time

1715
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,440
just because and I know some departments

1716
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:25,440
are so short that that is not

1717
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,520
a reality.

1718
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,199
I wouldn't want to see anybody being

1719
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:30,880
pressured into trying to take that flex

1720
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,440
time when that when their their workload

1721
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,000
is already so high instead of giving

1722
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,319
them the time and a half.

1723
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,920
So I mean the employee should have a say

1724
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,759
as to which way they want to

1725
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:44,560
>> that's right

1726
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,159
>> take this not not somebody else

1727
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:47,679
dictating it to them.

1728
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:49,600
>> Yes. So that's why we say we would

1729
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,600
expect the supervisors to work with

1730
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,159
their staff to ensure that there's

1731
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,640
adequate coverage that they're not

1732
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,279
creating sort of a backlog if they're

1733
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,520
allowing people to take time off so that

1734
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,159
the work is maintained. the employee

1735
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:07,120
would be able to have a voice in which

1736
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,480
they would prefer.

1737
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:11,199
>> Well, the other piece of this is that if

1738
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,279
they're required to get paid out on

1739
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,920
overtime, they're getting a higher paycheck, so they're getting

1740
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,359
taxed at a higher rate. So, the the

1741
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,440
overtime may not be worth it depending

1742
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:26,319
on what their taxable rate is. and they

1743
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:26,799
will be

1744
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,920
>> far better off with comp time to put it

1745
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,600
in on a short week so they get the

1746
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,199
normal pay and don't get taxed at a

1747
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,799
higher rate.

1748
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,080
>> So right now our police and fire and I'm

1749
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,520
maybe making an assumption when you say

1750
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,000
a short week that that to me sounds like

1751
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,080
police and fire because they have those

1752
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,359
alternating schedules

1753
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:46,239
>> whoever. Yeah,

1754
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,400
>> they don't currently uh acrewue comp

1755
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,799
time right now. So it's uh would be

1756
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:53,839
largely public works and parks and

1757
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:58,070
recreation.

1758
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,000
» Oh, so our police and fire

1759
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,080
>> they're right now they are paid

1760
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,760
>> all of the department everybody in the

1761
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,199
department they're they're

1762
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,280
>> overtime reports.

1763
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,560
>> So not comp time.

1764
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,760
>> That's right. So there's a So if if the

1765
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,440
fire department, you know, has to work

1766
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:15,920
extra because of a festival, they

1767
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,520
automatically get just overtime pay.

1768
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,350
>> Okay.

1769
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,400
» Next is an increase to the tuition

1770
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,440
reimbursement. So right now we have that

1771
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,080
identified for $1,000

1772
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,719
per employee uh per year and we'd like

1773
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,520
to increase that to $3,000.

1774
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,960
Uh obviously tuition and college costs

1775
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,199
have increased over the years and so we

1776
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:45,199
want to remain competitive so their

1777
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,760
employees can continue to pursue higher

1778
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,719
education and we're offering them a

1779
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:53,199
competitive incentive for that.

1780
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:57,360
>> Just curious why 3,000 why not five?

1781
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,600
>> I'm not sure exactly how that number was

1782
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,440
arrived. That was a number uh that was

1783
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,080
in place when I got here. So, I would

1784
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,040
assume that someone looked at our area

1785
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,440
community colleges, at our area

1786
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:13,600
universities to pinpoint a number that

1787
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,719
was reasonable.

1788
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:19,440
>> How many employees historically use this

1789
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:20,640
benefit annually?

1790
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,239
>> I don't have that those numbers, but I'd

1791
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:23,440
be happy to get that for you if you

1792
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,400
would like.

1793
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,640
>> Um, I sign off on those. Last year was

1794
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,560
three.

1795
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,600
Just three. one out of finance, um,

1796
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,800
two out of finance, one out of

1797
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,120
administration as far, you know, and by administration that's communications

1798
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,719
and then also general administration.

1799
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:45,199
So, it's three.

1800
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:47,840
>> Question for you. With with this change,

1801
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,760
does it impact our um approved budget?

1802
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:59,189
Does it require any

1803
01:11:59,199 --> 01:11:59,679
» Okay.

1804
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:01,760
>> And the fourth that we'd like for you to

1805
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,440
consider is to remove language that

1806
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:09,280
offers a probationary pay increase for

1807
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,239
new employees at the conclusion of six

1808
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:15,440
months of employment. Uh the reason sort

1809
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,239
of behind that is this is a practice

1810
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,360
that was in place that the reason for

1811
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,159
the practice is no longer uh really

1812
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,520
anything that we need to be looking at.

1813
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,320
We used to have to offer 6% or 5% I'm

1814
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,400
sorry. We used to have to offer a 5% pay

1815
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,480
increase to new staff at six months

1816
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,880
because it was at that same moment that

1817
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,440
they begin to contribute to the local

1818
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,239
government retirement system. And that

1819
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:50,159
uh contribution is a mandatory 6%. So

1820
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:54,159
the 5% pay increase was put in to offset

1821
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,040
that mandatory contribution to the

1822
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,320
retirement system. Now that There's no

1823
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,239
longer a waiting period to contribute to

1824
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:04,080
the retirement system so new employees

1825
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,480
begin to contribute immediately from day

1826
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,040
one. Therefore, our philosophy is from

1827
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,520
day one, we want to offer them a salary

1828
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,600
that is competitive and that will allow

1829
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,000
them to contribute. So, we no longer

1830
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,800
need the increase at six months because

1831
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,760
the waiting period is no longer in

1832
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:22,400
place.

1833
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,480
>> Is that still mandatory?

1834
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,560
>> The waiting period?

1835
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:26,880
>> No.

1836
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:27,920
>> Retirement fund.

1837
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,320
>> The retirement contribution. Yes, it is.

1838
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,080
>> So, is that is that in there's a

1839
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,679
recommendation? Is that a recommendation

1840
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:35,360
in the package here or

1841
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,520
>> the recommendation to remove the

1842
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,120
probationary pay increase is in the

1843
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:39,280
pack?

1844
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,880
>> It used to be in there. Now, they have

1845
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:41,679
it read out each

1846
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:44,239
>> of those uh resolutions.

1847
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:45,760
>> So,

1848
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,159
that's not option option four. Is that

1849
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,480
what that is?

1850
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:52,640
>> Yeah, option action four, I guess.

1851
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:53,600
>> Yes, action four.

1852
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,520
>> Okay.

1853
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,360
All right. Anything else? Anything else?

1854
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,400
I think we'll do this board. That's u if

1855
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,000
you look on page um

1856
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,360
page is it um

1857
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,280
>> 65. Is that what you're looking at?

1858
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,080
You're looking for the the

1859
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,280
>> 55. That's right.

1860
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:11,760
>> 65.

1861
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,320
>> No, 65. 65.

1862
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,440
>> 65. You see the four actions that um is

1863
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:19,600
being requested us to consider here.

1864
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,480
Action one which removed ability of for

1865
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,880
regular part-time employees receive

1866
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,800
probated medical insurance and benefits.

1867
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,480
Action two was removal of the comp time.

1868
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,199
Action three was increase the tuition um

1869
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:40,719
uh reimbursement and then option four

1870
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:43,920
had to do with the um I keep losing that

1871
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:44,800
one.

1872
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:45,840
>> Discont.

1873
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,840
>> Yeah. Yeah, there it is. discontinued

1874
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,480
the practice of adjusting salaries.

1875
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:53,520
>> So u

1876
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,760
so if any one of those four we need to

1877
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,120
get more clarity on uh we'll pull any

1878
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:03,600
one of those is does any uh uh

1879
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,679
commissioner have an issue with any one

1880
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:07,440
of those actions and want to discuss

1881
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:08,000
some more.

1882
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,480
>> I just have another question for one.

1883
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:11,600
>> Okay.

1884
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:12,320
>> Ask it now.

1885
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:12,719
>> Yeah.

1886
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:15,520
>> Okay. So, the remove eligibility for

1887
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,280
regular part-time employees, you said we

1888
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,840
currently have two that are eligible,

1889
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,560
but a number of part-time positions.

1890
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,360
So, could any more of those part-time

1891
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,440
positions also be eligible or will it

1892
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:32,960
always just be those two?

1893
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,480
>> It would just be those two

1894
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:36,880
>> always.

1895
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,719
Grandpa in

1896
01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:40,239
>> Yeah, but if they should leave and

1897
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:42,159
somebody were to Is that what you're

1898
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,239
meaning like? like there's only two

1899
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,120
positions that would absolutely qualify,

1900
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,960
not whether or not they're actively

1901
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,719
utilizing. Is that what you're saying?

1902
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:52,480
>> Right. Out of the entire pool of

1903
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,239
part-time employees, how many could

1904
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,560
potentially

1905
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,080
um taken taken it off the table if they

1906
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,199
leave and come back? You know, how many

1907
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:05,280
part-time employees could potentially

1908
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,000
qualify for the insurance benefits as it

1909
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,480
is today?

1910
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:13,040
And there's two. There will only be two

1911
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,400
as it stands right now.

1912
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,600
>> As those and just so that I'm making

1913
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:18,880
sure that I'm answering the question

1914
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,400
that you're answering, as those people

1915
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,040
leave the organization, those positions

1916
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,800
would no longer be eligible for

1917
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:25,360
benefits.

1918
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,920
>> Right. I understand that. And just so I

1919
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,310
make sure that

1920
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,239
» I I don't think that your question has

1921
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:34,880
been answered.

1922
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:42,870
>> Wait a minute. Hold on.

1923
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,600
The qualifications are that they have to

1924
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,280
be under 30 hours.

1925
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,719
Let's say there are 10 part-time

1926
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:53,360
positions with the town

1927
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,360
and only two of those positions are

1928
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,760
under 30 hours.

1929
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,840
Is there the potential for any of those

1930
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,880
other eight positions

1931
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,080
>> becoming eligible?

1932
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,040
>> Yes.

1933
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,239
>> No.

1934
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,239
>> Okay.

1935
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,239
But if additional part-time positions

1936
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:13,280
are added over the years, then those

1937
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,440
could potentially be

1938
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:16,080
eligible.

1939
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,120
>> You would write those positions so that

1940
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,320
they worked under the necessary hours.

1941
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:22,560
So

1942
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,239
>> So they they would not be qualified.

1943
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:27,040
Okay. So there would always be two from

1944
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:33,830
now on until whenever. Okay. Okay.

1945
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,159
» Any other questions? Um, so looking at

1946
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:40,960
the four action items, uh, and we can we

1947
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,360
can vote on two, three, all four of

1948
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,320
them. What's the Anybody got any really

1949
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,640
feel like we need to remove one of them

1950
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:49,440
for right now?

1951
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:53,280
>> I got question on the comp time. Who's

1952
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,679
going to be upset with this? Is it

1953
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:58,960
departments? Is it a couple individuals?

1954
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,360
What are we looking at?

1955
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,880
>> I don't think I would identify it as

1956
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,719
upset. I think that there may be a

1957
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,239
learning curve. So I think that

1958
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:07,840
departments will have to learn how to

1959
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,120
manage the time that their staff is

1960
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,280
working. They'll have to pay maybe a

1961
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,760
little bit closer attention to the hours

1962
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,440
that staff are working. But I think

1963
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:19,440
that's a good thing. Uh and I think

1964
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:22,000
staff will need to get used to being

1965
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,280
paid out for any hours worked

1966
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,040
closer to the time that they worked it

1967
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,840
rather than banking it for later. Have

1968
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,960
you done an impact analysis on how much

1969
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,199
it will affect budgets of individual

1970
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:36,560
departments?

1971
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,440
>> Our finance department is aware of the

1972
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,880
change and they have put a plan in place

1973
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,000
for funding of overtime

1974
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,360
>> to accommodate the change.

1975
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,080
>> Thank you. So the compensation

1976
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,880
change um one of my siblings went

1977
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,679
through at her job. Um it was a learning

1978
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:01,199
curve and it was a shock at the

1979
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,520
beginning after she had had compensation

1980
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,120
um for so long the compensatory time but

1981
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,440
now she's like it's it's just normal. So

1982
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:10,880
of course there is that learning curve

1983
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,760
there. But let me ask this question.

1984
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,120
What is the maximum number of hours that

1985
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,040
one employee currently holds in

1986
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,360
compensatory time and what is the total

1987
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,199
number across the staff? Do you know how

1988
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,159
by chance have that?

1989
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:25,840
>> I don't have those numbers in front of

1990
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,880
me, but it hovers just over a hundred

1991
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,800
because that's how how much they're

1992
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,760
allowed to bring over in any given year.

1993
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,880
So it sometimes it sort of crests over

1994
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,640
that amount during the course of the

1995
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:39,120
year.

1996
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,480
>> Okay.

1997
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,480
I mean, can't we set limits to how much

1998
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,830
they can carry over then? Because, you

1999
01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:46,480
[music] know, just going from all to

2000
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,960
nothing just I just feel like there's

2001
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,960
got to be a middle road there.

2002
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,600
>> So, any staff that currently have comp

2003
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,719
time will be able to to maintain it.

2004
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:58,640
They'll be paid out for it. And right

2005
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,320
now, we don't have a plan in place to

2006
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,120
force them to use it within within any

2007
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,880
sort of time restraints. So, we will

2008
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,280
give them the flexibility to use that

2009
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,679
time sort of as they need. So they won't

2010
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:10,080
lose it.

2011
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,440
>> Okay. They're not going to lose

2012
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:12,080
>> or lose anything.

2013
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,679
>> So if they have over 100 hours.

2014
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:15,600
>> Yeah. So So just to clarify, just to

2015
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,719
make sure I understand that part

2016
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:18,480
correctly, if you if you have over 100

2017
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:19,679
hours, you're not going to lose it.

2018
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:21,120
>> That's

2019
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,560
>> And if you're not going to lose it, you

2020
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,280
can use it at any time you want.

2021
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,800
>> And it doesn't have to be tied to a work

2022
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,960
week that you're in.

2023
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,880
>> Just not going to get no more. I guess I

2024
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,880
guess I'm just Yeah, I'm I'm

2025
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,000
to Commissioner Paul's point

2026
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,679
being able to rectify everything within

2027
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,920
that two week time period as far as you

2028
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,440
know taking uh flex time. Well, what

2029
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,040
happens if it's a Wednesday and the pay

2030
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,400
period ends on Friday? How are they

2031
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:54,400
going to take that flex time? or if it just seems to me like it would make

2032
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,640
more sense financially to be able to

2033
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,280
keep that comp time to use for hours off

2034
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,840
say in 6 months or or for the calendar

2035
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,920
year versus

2036
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,640
you know making them pay out time and a

2037
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,320
half to like what to the points that you

2038
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,520
made commissioner pop

2039
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,120
>> I I do have one more question about that

2040
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,400
um since we are from a municipality

2041
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,400
perspective I've seen changes is like

2042
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,640
this uh at Zebulun, Charlotte, Garner,

2043
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,800
and as well as some other municipalities

2044
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,080
in around the area. How far off are we

2045
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,239
from a compensation perspective from my

2046
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:34,960
peers? And is this a city or state

2047
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,960
trend, excuse me, that you're seeing? Uh

2048
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,480
because I am hearing this happen in the

2049
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,000
government as well. So, I just kind of

2050
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,440
want to get a gauge of where we are in

2051
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,120
this process amongst others.

2052
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,600
Compton time used to be very pre

2053
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,800
prevalent in government employment and

2054
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,000
it is increasingly less so because

2055
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,400
organizations are realizing that there

2056
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,320
is an increased cost associated with it

2057
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,000
>> and you're you're not losing you get

2058
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:00,719
paid overtime.

2059
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:01,840
>> Yeah I I

2060
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,360
>> I know but I'm just making sure that overtime pay happens instead of

2061
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,520
being forced to take flex time

2062
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:08,960
>> during that two week time period.

2063
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,000
>> Yeah. in in your in your um scenario

2064
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,159
where it's right at the end of the pay

2065
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:16,480
period, it has to be overtime most time

2066
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:18,159
I've seen because you ain't you got time

2067
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:19,120
to take it off.

2068
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,480
>> Okay. I just I just want to make sure

2069
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,320
that there's no issues there as far as

2070
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,840
saying, "Oh,

2071
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,120
>> we don't have it in the budget for

2072
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,040
overtime. So therefore, you must take

2073
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,560
flex time and it's like but I'm you

2074
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:31,440
know,

2075
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:32,400
>> yeah,

2076
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:33,920
>> I don't think you'd have you shouldn't

2077
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:34,639
lose it."

2078
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:37,280
>> That's a good that's a good clarifying

2079
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,320
statement. So, we always paid overtime,

2080
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,040
right? In some cases, like um like if

2081
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,639
Fourth of July comes up and public

2082
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,400
works, they say, "Look, I know I got to

2083
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,239
work on this day." They already know

2084
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:49,920
that it's the 8 hour day.

2085
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,199
>> And if it falls in a weird space between

2086
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,159
um the pay periods, like for instance,

2087
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,080
you reached out about the clean up on

2088
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,440
the parking lot. They were off on them.

2089
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:01,120
They were off on the Friday, right? And

2090
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,960
so they took the time because the pay

2091
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,040
period ended at a certain time. They

2092
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,880
went in, took the day off in advance of

2093
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,080
the holiday, gave them a chance to rest,

2094
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,920
catch up, hang out with family, and then

2095
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,840
they came in to work on on that day. And

2096
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,480
so, um, the supervisors do work on that.

2097
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,880
The the the occasions in which overtime

2098
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,960
come about are pretty consistent. Mhm.

2099
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,360
>> It's like your fall funfest, it's your

2100
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,360
Fourth of July, it's your Christmas

2101
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,360
parade, it's your blackout dates, you

2102
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:32,639
know, your blackout dates, all these

2103
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:34,560
things are are pretty standard. And then

2104
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,239
when we get into the inclement weather,

2105
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:41,440
the things that pop up, they kind of we we try to be as flexible as possible

2106
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:42,880
with that. It really comes down to like

2107
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,159
communication with it. And so we don't

2108
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,000
>> we're obligated to pay for the time they

2109
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,880
work. [laughter]

2110
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:49,199
>> Right.

2111
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,760
And so and sometimes they opt for

2112
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,600
the flex, you know, and say, "Look, you

2113
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,600
know, I work this time. Can I just cut

2114
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,520
out early on Friday?"

2115
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,040
>> Yeah. But some people would rather have

2116
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,800
that time back. Some rather I'm just

2117
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,040
making sure that the like the employee

2118
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,280
agrees to whatever that term is and not

2119
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,199
be strong armed into one option or the

2120
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:09,120
other is essentially what I'm getting at

2121
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,800
here. You know, if they're putting in

2122
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,480
the extra hours, they should have the

2123
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,360
option to choose time and a half or if

2124
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,199
they want to choose flex time. And

2125
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:18,960
that's that's just to protect the

2126
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,960
employee within that process,

2127
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,080
>> right?

2128
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,520
>> And that would be done.

2129
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,000
>> Yes.

2130
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:24,320
>> Okay.

2131
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:25,520
>> Yeah. I think that we're doing that

2132
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,120
right now because we have a number of

2133
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,840
departments who are already uh receiving

2134
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,360
overtime. So that's a practice.

2135
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,679
>> So overtime is different than comp time.

2136
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:34,080
>> Yeah.

2137
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:34,560
>> Kind of.

2138
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,920
>> Yeah.

2139
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,280
>> Different different

2140
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,199
>> different payments different payments

2141
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,600
different different. So, so, so just to

2142
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,120
make sure I understood you correctly,

2143
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,440
you did I hear you say that we're going

2144
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,920
to continue with the compensation and

2145
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:52,159
flex choice after this decision we make.

2146
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:54,719
>> That is correct. Those who have it.

2147
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,239
>> Oh, only for those who have it. This is

2148
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:57,520
for this is going to be going forward.

2149
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,679
Any new hires will come under the new

2150
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:01,840
policy, but any people before will be

2151
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,199
grandfathered in regards of the

2152
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:03,920
compensation.

2153
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,600
>> They will not be grandfathered. They

2154
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,480
will start to be paid either overtime or

2155
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,040
allowed to take flex time. But if they

2156
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,440
currently have comp time on their

2157
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:14,480
record,

2158
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:15,280
>> they just won't lose it.

2159
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,400
They just can

2160
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:17,360
use it as they

2161
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,800
>> and they can continue to use it.

2162
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,679
>> But anybody new won't acquire comp time.

2163
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:25,430
It'll be overtime.

2164
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,600
I'm pretty sure that everything that you

2165
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,280
were telling us is already been legally

2166
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,080
looked at and in good standings and

2167
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,840
compliance with the fab uh the labor

2168
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,199
standards act and the NC personnel law.

2169
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:43,600
So I know that

2170
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,239
you were covered.

2171
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:48,560
>> Still all these items have been reviewed

2172
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,040
by our labor employment team.

2173
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,289
>> That's what I want to make sure.

2174
01:25:52,289 --> 01:25:52,400
[clears throat]

2175
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:53,600
>> Okay.

2176
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,280
And then I I do have a question. Didn't

2177
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,080
we receive an email that there was um

2178
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,520
changes made to the grievance policy?

2179
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,600
>> There were some So it was just some

2180
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,840
clarifying. It was to clarify it. We

2181
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,600
didn't really change really any of the

2182
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,000
substance of the grievance policy. We

2183
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,080
tried to write it in a format that was

2184
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,360
more clear to any employees who elected

2185
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,520
to use it.

2186
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,159
>> Okay. So is there anything that we

2187
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:21,840
needed to review on that? because I

2188
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,360
didn't have an original and I don't know

2189
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:24,960
if it's already updated in the personnel

2190
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,360
policy where it says updates through 8

2191
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:31,840
2026. I'm assuming that the the change

2192
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,000
Sorry, my computer's getting wonky.

2193
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,480
There we go. I'm assuming that whatever

2194
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:38,400
that change was, it is reflected in

2195
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:38,800
that.

2196
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,040
>> It is reflected in that personnel policy

2197
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,080
update document. Correct.

2198
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,840
But there was there was no need to write

2199
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,239
a resolution because we did not remove

2200
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:51,120
or add really any provisions to that.

2201
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,239
clarified.

2202
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:55,679
>> So then I have a question and I don't

2203
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:59,040
know if it's something that I need to

2204
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,440
ask or discuss after the meeting because

2205
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,760
it's not necessarily directly tied to

2206
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,950
all of this, but um

2207
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,480
actually I'll I'll email you my

2208
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,080
questions and then we can talk about it

2209
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,159
later. Okay,

2210
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:18,480
>> great. Thank Thank you. Um so with that

2211
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:20,560
the four the four actions we don't have

2212
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,120
to take we don't have to take action on

2213
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,199
the four actions if you feel like one we

2214
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:28,159
need to discuss further I think I think

2215
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:30,800
it's some that is really

2216
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:35,760
easy so um anybody got any concerns with

2217
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,679
any of the full actions and if so we'll

2218
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:39,120
take it off and bring it back later

2219
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,199
we'll get some more clarity on

2220
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:42,560
>> I personally have a problem with the

2221
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:43,679
part-time benefits

2222
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:46,639
>> part-time benefits was at uh number one.

2223
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:47,600
>> Action one.

2224
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,120
[snorts]

2225
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,000
>> I think it's action.

2226
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,280
>> I don't know. I'm not looking at the

2227
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:52,560
right is action one.

2228
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,280
>> It's action one.

2229
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:58,159
>> Number one. Okay. So, um

2230
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,239
so any other ones anybody got concern

2231
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:05,350
with?

2232
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,120
If not, I'll entertain a motion on

2233
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,750
action two, three, and four.

2234
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,320
I move to approve resolution making

2235
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,159
technical changes to the personnel

2236
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:20,080
policy actions two through four. So I

2237
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,679
got a motion second.

2238
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:22,560
>> Second.

2239
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,840
>> Got a motion second. Any further

2240
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,040
discussion?

2241
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,880
>> Not hearing it. All in favor say I.

2242
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:27,199
>> I.

2243
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,120
>> Any opposed? Sound like the eyes have

2244
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,679
it? Eyes do have it. Motion's approved.

2245
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:33,760
So two two, three, and four is approved.

2246
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,679
Now let's talk about action one so we

2247
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:39,840
get clarity on that. Um,

2248
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,600
do we do we want to vote on action one

2249
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,600
and see where the vote lands or we just

2250
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,000
want to send it back for some comments

2251
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,280
on on on changes? How do how did board

2252
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,679
want to handle action one?

2253
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:55,199
>> I say we vote, Mr. Mayor, but we also

2254
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:56,639
need to have any questions that the

2255
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:58,320
commissioner has so we can get those

2256
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,679
addressed and I would like to, but if

2257
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:01,600
not, I think we no need to kick the can

2258
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,040
down the curve any further.

2259
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,840
I just I I don't see where it's a cost

2260
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,679
savings if it's only limited to a couple

2261
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:10,000
of people and that can make the all the

2262
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,199
difference in the world to those two

2263
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,320
people who actually need these resources

2264
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,040
when it's so difficult in today's time

2265
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,679
frame you know with the cost of

2266
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:21,520
insurance if they can even get a little

2267
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,840
bit of help on that by working for for

2268
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,080
the town here

2269
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,719
I don't see

2270
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:31,520
I I I don't see a significant savings

2271
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,080
and all it would doing is hurting, you

2272
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,679
know, a couple of people that actually

2273
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:37,840
utilize it and and need to utilize it.

2274
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,440
>> So, correct me if I'm wrong, Shandra,

2275
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:41,440
but they are grandfathered. So, they

2276
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:43,520
will not lose their current benefits.

2277
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,840
It's only if we hired someone else to

2278
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,360
>> Yeah. And and they don't necessarily

2279
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,400
have to participate within the benefits.

2280
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,400
But if it is only a couple positions

2281
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,480
where that would actually come into

2282
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:57,040
play, then

2283
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:02,159
I I feel that, you know, as as a town

2284
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:04,719
leave it be.

2285
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:06,719
>> But essentially, we are

2286
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:09,600
>> Yeah. But I'm saying to

2287
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,280
the next person that takes that

2288
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,840
position,

2289
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,320
if they need to utilize healthc care

2290
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,679
benefits, for example,

2291
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:21,760
having that option there, we're going

2292
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,159
to, you know, it's just going to be a

2293
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:26,159
draw for a better qualified person, too.

2294
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:27,600
But but let me make sure I understood

2295
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,159
this correctly because I I I'm a

2296
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,880
healthcare u advocate. But I also heard

2297
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,040
you say that the hours would be and thus

2298
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,239
that they wouldn't qualify for benefits

2299
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,880
anyway in the part-time.

2300
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,639
>> They would certainly be under the 30 to

2301
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:46,880
be considered uh full-time and we could

2302
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,960
make efforts to keep them under the uh

2303
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,000
20 hours

2304
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,440
>> so that they were not

2305
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,960
>> So then that's making it more difficult

2306
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,199
though. Correct. Because you're really

2307
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,199
doing it for two people out of the grand

2308
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:01,679
scheme of the 100 plus employees that we

2309
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:02,880
have.

2310
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,880
>> So without getting into the details of

2311
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,080
the positions themselves, was there any

2312
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,120
re was this an incentive to hire people

2313
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,960
to give them this even though the hours

2314
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,400
were lower than full-time? And does that

2315
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,679
if there if it was does that motivation

2316
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:21,440
make sense in the future where

2317
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,440
Commissioner Bernett's point makes a lot

2318
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,840
of sense? I believe it used to be more

2319
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,239
of a common practice for municipalities

2320
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:30,960
to offer benefits to their part-time

2321
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:31,840
staff. Yeah.

2322
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,920
>> And again, just as times have changed,

2323
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,239
that is something and the costs honestly

2324
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,400
have increased on healthcare. The cost

2325
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,199
goes up each year, it's something that

2326
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:42,719
people are looking at a lot more

2327
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:43,520
closely.

2328
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,920
>> So, is this a longevity of employment

2329
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,280
issue more than anything else?

2330
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,280
the fact that these individuals have

2331
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,040
been here a long time

2332
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:53,679
>> and that

2333
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:55,120
>> absolutely we don't we certainly don't

2334
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,280
want to take anything away from our

2335
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:58,000
current staff.

2336
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,239
>> Understood. But just trying to find out

2337
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:01,760
why they were given it in the first

2338
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:02,800
place and it's just because it was a

2339
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,239
long time ago

2340
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:05,360
>> and it's cheaper.

2341
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:05,840
>> Yeah.

2342
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,920
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

2343
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,120
>> Yeah. And towns, you know, they whatever

2344
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,239
you guys want to do.

2345
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:12,639
>> Yeah.

2346
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,158
>> I mean, you know, it's it's up

2347
01:32:14,158 --> 01:32:15,920
[clears throat] to vote of the board.

2348
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:19,360
Um, I would I would say y'all kind of

2349
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,199
collaborate, figure out if y'all want to

2350
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:22,960
bring it back to the board in, you know,

2351
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:23,920
in the future or something.

2352
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:24,880
>> I don't I don't think why we have to

2353
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,159
wait, Mr. Mayor. I think we can put this

2354
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:26,800
to a vote.

2355
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,480
>> Oh, if you if board wants to put it to

2356
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,920
vote, we will.

2357
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,120
>> I mean, I think that's the right thing

2358
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:32,239
to do in this scenario.

2359
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:33,760
>> Okay. If that's what the board wants to

2360
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,080
do, you guys want to put it vote?

2361
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:36,800
>> I'll make a motion.

2362
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,000
>> I'll make a

2363
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,679
>> So, I move

2364
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:42,000
>> You made a motion of what? I was going

2365
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,960
to make a a motion to

2366
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,000
deny the approval of

2367
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,360
>> action.

2368
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,719
one

2369
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:52,239
>> one. Thank you. Because I don't have

2370
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:55,520
that proper list in front of me. Um that

2371
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,440
was my motion was to deny.

2372
01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:57,840
>> Okay.

2373
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,760
>> Further action on

2374
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:00,719
>> Okay. So

2375
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:02,639
>> whose motion goes first, Mr. Mayor?

2376
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:05,280
>> What motion goes first?

2377
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,320
>> Who went first? Clerk, you you

2378
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,800
>> he did. All right. So your motion. When

2379
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,840
do you make your motion

2380
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,080
>> to move forward with the mo for action

2381
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:14,320
one?

2382
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,000
>> I got a motion to approve. Is there a

2383
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,750
second on approval?

2384
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,000
» Wait a minute. So you're you're making a

2385
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,159
motion to approve it?

2386
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:24,639
>> Yes.

2387
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:27,120
>> And you're making a motion to just my my

2388
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:28,719
>> Just to clarify, I think Lynwood's

2389
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:33,199
motion is to approve that we won't pay

2390
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:33,840
>> to do away with.

2391
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,320
>> It's a motion to prove what the what the

2392
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,679
personnel department is.

2393
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:43,440
No, it's a motion not to do it. Uh, so

2394
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:48,550
is there a second to Lwood's motion?

2395
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,440
All right, that motion dies. So I hear

2396
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:53,280
next motion. Does someone else want to

2397
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:54,239
make a motion?

2398
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:57,360
>> I make a motion to

2399
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,320
deny

2400
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,400
>> action. Action item one.

2401
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,520
>> Action one.

2402
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,040
>> in the personnel policy changes.

2403
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,120
>> I got a motion to deny. Is there a

2404
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,639
second?

2405
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:11,440
>> I'll second.

2406
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,600
>> I got a motion. Second. Is there any

2407
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,159
further discussion?

2408
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:18,400
Not hearing any. All in favor say I.

2409
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:19,520
>> I.

2410
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:20,480
>> Any oppose?

2411
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:21,760
>> Nay.

2412
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,199
>> I would like to eyes have it. Eyes do

2413
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:24,320
have it.

2414
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,440
>> You lose that one.

2415
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:26,159
>> I.

2416
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:27,440
>> Thanks. Appreciate it.

2417
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:28,239
>> Thank you.

2418
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:33,120
>> Um, okay. Next item

2419
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,679
is um

2420
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:37,679
legislative hearing. We've been going a

2421
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:39,120
hour and a half. Is it is the board

2422
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,719
okay? Continue.

2423
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:43,679
>> All right.

2424
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:48,800
>> So, um legislative hearing re 25-06

2425
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:54,070
uh gov whale and re25-1

2426
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,310
and nx26-2

2427
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,639
weight med resoning and annexation.

2428
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:02,560
Stephen, I think you I see you up there.

2429
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:03,920
You're taking that off. I'm [snorts]

2430
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,400
gonna hear um

2431
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,080
first of all I'm g hear any comments

2432
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,760
from staff and then I'll take any

2433
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,000
comments from the applicants and then I

2434
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,920
open up the public hearing for any

2435
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,000
comments from the public. So it's all

2436
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,390
you Stephen.

2437
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:43,350
Okay.

2438
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,679
On

2439
01:35:45,679 --> 01:36:03,350
this side.

2440
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,840
I had this in. This wasn't working. And

2441
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:13,881
this is

2442
01:36:13,891 --> 01:36:14,960
[snorts]

2443
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,189
how you move.

2444
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:29,110
advance to the next page.

2445
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:33,590
» Yeah, if they don't get it right quick,

2446
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,440
we're going to we're going to let them

2447
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,120
work on this technical issue for a

2448
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,199
minute. So, we're going to take a um

2449
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:41,120
probably about a 10-minute recess. So,

2450
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,800
let's uh let's come back at 8:15. 8:15.

2451
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:59,990
Thank you, boys. Appreciate it.

2452
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,760
Okay, we will call back to order the

2453
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,719
rollill uh board of commissioner

2454
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:09,840
meeting. Uh we are on item 10- A,

2455
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,000
legislative hearing, and I think you got

2456
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,040
everything working.

2457
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:13,600
>> We hope so.

2458
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,520
>> All right, Stephen, it's up to you. All

2459
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,159
right. So, this is the uh the reszoning

2460
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:21,360
and the annexation for the wake project.

2461
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,000
It's 4801 Burlington Mills grounds. The

2462
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,040
address it's about 31 acres. It's

2463
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,040
currently zoned

2464
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,760
residential. It will be a conditional

2465
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,560
highway a commercial highway conditional

2466
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,119
zoning district

2467
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,040
with the proposed use being hospital.

2468
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,520
That's the use of uses. That's the

2469
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,280
closest land use that matches

2470
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,800
contiguous voluntary.

2471
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,840
So you see in your in your packet there

2472
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,639
were seven listed conditions. I believe

2473
01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:04,480
has an additional one which I will explain. The first one is a list

2474
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:09,119
of prohibited uses. The second one is

2475
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:11,520
just compiance with the conceptual plan

2476
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,320
which you'll see tonight

2477
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,960
140,000 square feet of gross floor area

2478
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,800
for non residential use 150 setback and

2479
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:24,080
adjoining Bington sub properties a

2480
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,639
maximum building height of 55 a

2481
01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:28,639
perimeter buffer

2482
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:31,760
with a Bington Hall drive which would be

2483
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,960
a minimum of 50 ft and 50oot undisturbed

2484
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,760
buffer along the common property line

2485
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,960
open

2486
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:44,629
The eighth condition which

2487
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:47,520
um which I received late this afternoon

2488
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:51,360
um has to do with extending

2489
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,280
u

2490
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,080
having a buffer of the ambulance area

2491
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,199
that is equal to our our our loading

2492
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:00,719
standards

2493
01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:02,560
in in the code which is a pretty

2494
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,520
substantial buffer. So it's it's it's

2495
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:06,880
increasing the buffer between the

2496
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,760
ambulance loading area and the the

2497
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,480
street because otherwise there's a break

2498
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,000
when the street comes through it leaves

2499
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,760
a break in that buffer yard and the

2500
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,960
street yard is not very robust.

2501
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,000
So

2502
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,520
>> you said you're increasing the buffer

2503
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:24,159
between

2504
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,639
>> Yeah, they're they're committing to to

2505
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,119
matching the loading standards in our

2506
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:31,199
code.

2507
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:33,440
>> Um it's I don't believe it's a distance.

2508
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:38,229
This is just a landscape provision.

2509
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:38,639
» Um,

2510
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:40,239
>> Commissioner Lenwood, uh, Commissioner

2511
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:45,440
Long, uh, the the provision in the LDO

2512
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:47,119
that I reviewed and the the condition

2513
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,679
that I reviewed, uh, used the term

2514
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:52,080
screening, and that may be the term that

2515
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,000
the board is most familiar with, the

2516
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,520
idea of screening, loading, and

2517
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,159
unloading areas. So, uh, while that may

2518
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,719
or may not have been applicable to the

2519
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:03,440
hospital drive, uh, the condition that I

2520
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:05,199
reviewed that I assume is now being

2521
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,960
profered is one to treat that area as

2522
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,080
though screening was required as

2523
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,000
provided by the LDO.

2524
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,159
>> Thank you for that clarification.

2525
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:17,520
This next slide has to do with

2526
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,800
compliance with comprehensive plan.

2527
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,040
um comprehensive plan identifies the

2528
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:27,199
area as civic and commercial center.

2529
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:31,199
The civic uses um

2530
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,920
include institutional uses and

2531
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,600
commercial center includes conventional

2532
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:40,390
commercial uses along primary corridors.

2533
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,840
The Roseville transportation plan

2534
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:45,920
provides for a Burlington Mills Road

2535
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:47,760
four-lane divided section with curving

2536
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,239
gutter, bike lanes and sidewalk. Granite

2537
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:52,960
Falls will have a two-lane section with

2538
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,760
two-way left turn lane, curb and gutter,

2539
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,679
bike lanes and sidewalks, and the

2540
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:00,080
greenway bike plans on both sides of the

2541
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,760
frontages. So, this would as these roads

2542
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,760
get built out, they will be built to

2543
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,480
those standards

2544
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:12,639
for how far out because as we all know,

2545
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:14,239
the middle school, it's a virtual

2546
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,239
parking lot twice a day and it's not

2547
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:18,719
rush hour. So it doesn't fit in the

2548
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:20,080
transportation plan.

2549
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:23,280
>> Yeah. This applies to this property. So

2550
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,119
any any

2551
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:27,040
portion of these roads that the

2552
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,719
development is responsible for, they

2553
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:31,119
will have to build to those standards.

2554
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:33,840
>> Doesn't alleviate the problem down the

2555
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,840
road a little tiny bit.

2556
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,400
>> At this time,

2557
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,560
>> um a traffic impact analysis was

2558
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,040
prepared by Stantech. Matt Peach is

2559
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:44,320
here. should there be any questions

2560
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,360
regarding that. But the total weekday

2561
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:55,189
daily trips was 1550.

2562
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:58,639
Um so in terms of comp plan consistency,

2563
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:00,800
hospital use along with pro proposed

2564
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,840
conditions of uh approval define a

2565
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,440
project that is consistent with both the

2566
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:07,360
civic and commercial center land use

2567
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,239
categories. The concept plan illustrates

2568
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:11,525
side pass bike lanes along

2569
01:42:11,525 --> 01:42:13,440
[clears throat] Burlington Mills Road as

2570
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,199
I just said and the town is prepared to

2571
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:19,920
um complete uh Granite Falls Boulevard

2572
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:23,750
in the next year.

2573
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,159
Um [clears throat]

2574
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:28,800
so I've got a several proposed motions.

2575
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,679
Um, one two of them have to do with the

2576
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:34,159
reszoning and then one with the

2577
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:35,840
annexation

2578
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,199
for your consideration. With that is

2579
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:42,639
here to speak to the proposal.

2580
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:45,040
>> Any uh questions for the staff?

2581
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,880
>> The what's our current maximum building

2582
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,360
height limit?

2583
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:52,960
>> I don't know that offh hand.

2584
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,920
>> I mean in general or just for the the um

2585
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,840
>> they're proposing 55 ft. I don't think

2586
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,000
we've approved anything that high yet,

2587
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:00,639
but I

2588
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:04,159
>> 60 ft is the max for

2589
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:06,480
um

2590
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,719
and that that is actually the highest or

2591
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:12,080
the tallest building allow allowment.

2592
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,199
>> So I was looking through all this

2593
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:15,920
earlier.

2594
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,400
Yeah, I the commercial highway district

2595
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,400
I I do have questions with because

2596
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,560
general commercial is 35 ft.

2597
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,320
The only other one that is 60 ft is

2598
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,119
business, industrial and technology

2599
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:30,639
and general industrial.

2600
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:33,600
>> Uh we approved 45. What's cobblestone?

2601
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:34,159
Do you know?

2602
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:37,280
>> I thought it was 60 or or pushing 60.

2603
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,199
>> Cobblestone town center was like four

2604
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:40,880
stories which typically

2605
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,840
>> well 60 feet I googled it is typically

2606
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:47,440
four to six stories.

2607
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:51,600
>> So cobblestone has four. Yeah.

2608
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,600
>> So is this outside of this? You said

2609
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,719
this was highway zoning

2610
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:57,600
>> commercial highway.

2611
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:58,880
Is that what you

2612
01:43:58,880 --> 01:43:59,360
said?

2613
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,199
>> Mhm.

2614
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,920
>> So it's 55 ft outside of that or is

2615
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:05,119
within

2616
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:06,719
>> I mean don't know that standard off

2617
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:07,040
hand.

2618
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,719
>> I mean it wouldn't be in compliance if

2619
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:10,960
it was outside. You [clears throat] mean

2620
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:12,560
you wouldn't bring it to if it's outside

2621
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:13,040
of

2622
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:17,119
>> I mean it yes it must be 60 because we

2623
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:18,800
don't we're not allowed to go above and

2624
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,320
beyond. So the conditions would only

2625
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:21,360
restrict things.

2626
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:22,480
>> Yeah. Yeah, the commercial highway

2627
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:24,719
district. Um, it's a max of 60 ft with

2628
01:44:24,719 --> 01:44:26,080
sprinklers.

2629
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:27,679
>> Yeah. So, you know, it wouldn't be in

2630
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:30,000
front of us if it was outside of the

2631
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,360
>> restricting it by 5t

2632
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,280
>> by condition.

2633
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,199
>> That's right.

2634
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,520
>> Can you just clarify the 40,000 square

2635
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,520
foot? Meaning, is that like total

2636
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,199
development of the property or is that

2637
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:45,199
per building or we talking about?

2638
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,080
>> That's the building. The ER,

2639
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,080
>> the ER, the standalone ER,

2640
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,400
>> the total development of the property is

2641
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,480
40,000 inclusive of all buildings.

2642
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:55,280
>> Yes.

2643
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:56,000
>> All buildings.

2644
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:56,800
>> Yes.

2645
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,520
>> Which is the ER, which is the ER, but

2646
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:00,960
there's also other buildings that

2647
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,639
they're going to be promoting as well as

2648
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:03,920
part of this. Is there like correct?

2649
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,199
This is not just the ER.

2650
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:06,560
>> One building proposed on the concept

2651
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:06,880
plan.

2652
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,880
>> Yeah. So, the one building, the ER

2653
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,920
building is 40,000 square feet, correct?

2654
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,159
Okay.

2655
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:18,310
Any

2656
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,910
other questions?

2657
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:22,800
» That's the question.

2658
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:23,040
>> Okay,

2659
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,320
>> that's where the question came.

2660
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,239
>> If you would uh step up, introduce

2661
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:28,560
yourself

2662
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:31,679
who you represent.

2663
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:34,880
>> And then how do I do you have that on my

2664
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:36,719
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

2665
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:38,560
>> Uh

2666
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,239
getting used to these microphones. Uh

2667
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:42,400
good evening. Uh Toby Coleman with Smith

2668
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,480
Anderson here on behalf of the property

2669
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:47,679
owner applicant uh Wake Med. Uh thank

2670
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:50,239
you for your time this evening and I I

2671
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:51,920
will endeavor to try to answer the

2672
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,840
questions that have been raised and do

2673
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,400
it in as as efficiently as possible

2674
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,480
which um

2675
01:45:58,480 --> 01:45:59,679
may take a little bit longer than five

2676
01:45:59,679 --> 01:46:01,840
minutes but I'll try to keep it there.

2677
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,440
Um so this is a proposal. This resoning

2678
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:08,400
is really to facilitate the uh what

2679
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,159
Wiggman calls a health plex essentially

2680
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:13,520
a standalone emergency department. Um

2681
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,360
see there sort of the basics of it. It's

2682
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:18,880
a it's a 12 room facility with imaging

2683
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,760
services, lab services, a designated

2684
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,560
ambulance area. Most of the patients are

2685
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,000
treated and sent home. This is the place

2686
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,080
to go when you have broken bones or or

2687
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,960
other sort of urgent uh urgent medical

2688
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,000
needs. Uh that typically right now

2689
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,159
people are driving 20 30 minutes to to

2690
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:38,480
go to other uh health plexes or to the

2691
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:41,600
hospital for um and provides sort of

2692
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,920
local access uh to a much needed

2693
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:48,000
facility here in in town. Um the reason

2694
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,719
that Wake Med is looking to do this is

2695
01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:52,480
it would be the first facility of this

2696
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:55,280
type in Rollsville would surround would

2697
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,239
uh serve about 18,000 people a year, 50

2698
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:02,000
people a day. Um would help both uh

2699
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,679
residents of the town as well as other

2700
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:05,920
folks uh in northern Wake County and the

2701
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,159
surrounding counties. Uh and again, we

2702
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:09,520
expect that most people will be coming

2703
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:11,520
by car. Um that's based on the

2704
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,520
experience of the other health plexes uh

2705
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,159
in the county. Um there will be some

2706
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:18,560
ambulance traffic uh but it'll be like

2707
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,840
10% of the total traffic. Um just to

2708
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,440
give you a sense on how this fits this

2709
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:26,560
is uh Wake Med uses a hub and spoke

2710
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,360
model. Um the red there are the

2711
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,320
hospitals um and then you have the

2712
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,320
ambulatory network medical office

2713
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,400
buildings. Uh and then the yellow are

2714
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,880
the health plexus um circled the

2715
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,520
Rollsville one up there at the top. Um

2716
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,840
there's three current health plexes. uh

2717
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,840
one in Brier Creek, one in uh Wendell,

2718
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,320
and one in Apex. Uh that [clears throat]

2719
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:51,679
we're proposing this one, and then

2720
01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:53,280
there's another uh proposed down in

2721
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,000
Fugquway Verina. Um these are sort of

2722
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,360
the way to sort of get some services uh

2723
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,280
out to folks without bringing the whole

2724
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,840
hospital to you.

2725
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,600
Um

2726
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,520
this is a you I just want to emphasize

2727
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,520
that this is really in line with Wake

2728
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,760
Med's overall mission which is to you

2729
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,119
know improve the health and well-being

2730
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:15,520
for the community um while providing

2731
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,520
outstanding and compassionate care to

2732
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,320
all. Wake is a nonprofit entity. It's

2733
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:25,040
been uh the wake the the county's u uh

2734
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,040
health system for the last 65 or so

2735
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,600
years. Um, and so really what we're

2736
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,760
looking to do is is improve the uh

2737
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:35,440
health care for folks here. Wake me does

2738
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:38,239
a lot of community benefits uh you know

2739
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:41,600
a lot of charity care uh and just the

2740
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,360
last year almost 100 million in charity

2741
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,400
care um and provides other community

2742
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,119
benefits uh that that stack up uh over

2743
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:52,239
the years. Um, in terms of the overview

2744
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:54,480
to to get to uh a question that

2745
01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:58,080
Commissioner Long uh raised, this zoning

2746
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,800
is just for the ED. So, in other words,

2747
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,920
it will only allow up up to 40,000

2748
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,480
square feet of non-residential space.

2749
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:07,920
And we envision that'll be a single

2750
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,360
building, about 36,000 square feet. Um

2751
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,000
and uh

2752
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,239
what we've done is in and I'll go into

2753
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:18,639
this in a little bit more detail, but um

2754
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:20,639
we've added zoning conditions to really

2755
01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:22,000
address some of the concerns we've heard

2756
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:23,199
from the neighbors in the Bington

2757
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:25,360
subdivision, which is immediately to the

2758
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,400
east. Um so that the particular a couple

2759
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,239
of ones that I want to highlight are,

2760
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:31,920
you know, there's an extra-large minimum

2761
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:36,320
building setback of 150 ft. um the um

2762
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:39,520
larger sub u landscape buffers along the

2763
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:43,040
perimeter of 50 50 feet in width. Um and

2764
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,199
then the other thing to note is is that

2765
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:48,400
this does not open the door to

2766
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:49,920
additional development. If if there was

2767
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,560
additional development of any kind on

2768
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,280
this site, we would have to come back.

2769
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:56,480
The way the zoning conditions are

2770
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:59,040
written, we'd have to do a new resoning.

2771
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:00,480
You know, we may not be we may be

2772
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:02,320
keeping the same sort of commercial

2773
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,920
highway designation, but the idea is is

2774
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:07,920
when we when we started this process, we

2775
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:09,360
wanted to make it clear we are asking

2776
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:10,880
for an emergency department, an

2777
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,280
emergency department only. And if

2778
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,280
there's future development, you know, if

2779
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,360
things took off and and there was a a

2780
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:20,000
need or a desire for additional um

2781
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,760
services, we would have to come back.

2782
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:23,199
We'd have to go through the same process

2783
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:24,560
with the neighbors. We have to go

2784
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:25,920
through the same process plan commission

2785
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,520
and the board and the board of

2786
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,600
commissioners. So that's that's the

2787
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,760
idea. That's the way we structured it.

2788
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:35,920
Um, one of the questions we got a lot

2789
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:37,280
from the neighbors, so I just wanted to

2790
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,600
address it quickly, is why here? Why

2791
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:43,119
can't you do it somewhere else? Um, and

2792
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:44,719
you know, there's a lot of there's a lot

2793
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:45,920
of reasons for that, but we just wanted

2794
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,320
to highlight a couple. Um, it's one of

2795
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:51,520
the few large undeveloped tracks that's

2796
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,040
sort of designated for civic and

2797
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,520
commercial use under the town's

2798
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,920
comprehensive plan. and it's also right

2799
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,760
next to the existing downtown

2800
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,000
opportunity zone, downtown residential

2801
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:03,360
zone, which is outlined in purple in

2802
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,840
this map. So, we think this is a an

2803
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,159
excellent site. It's located sort of in

2804
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:09,440
the central part of town near the

2805
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,280
central business district. The other

2806
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:12,560
really important part that a lot of

2807
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,040
other sites didn't quite make is is it

2808
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,159
has good road access. So recognizing

2809
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:20,000
that we've heard some concerns about

2810
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,600
road issues on you know like around the

2811
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,080
schools but these are you know it's at

2812
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,040
the intersection of two two thoroughares

2813
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,960
uh the existing Burlington Mills road

2814
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,280
and then the southern terminus of Grant

2815
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:35,440
Falls Parkway which will be constructed

2816
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:39,360
in part as part of this development.

2817
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,360
Um we have met with the neighbors a

2818
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,360
couple times and had other conversations

2819
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,599
outside of neighborhood meetings. Um,

2820
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:47,920
and you know, I would, we heard a lot of

2821
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:49,440
concerns from neighbors. I'm sure you'll

2822
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,599
hear some of them again tonight. Um, I

2823
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:52,960
would put those into sort of generally

2824
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,320
four buckets. Um, one was if you're

2825
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,320
going to be here, move the health plex

2826
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,080
as far away as possible. We've been

2827
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,000
working on that. The zoning condition

2828
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,920
sets sort of a minimum standard of 150

2829
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,920
ft, but as I'll detail, we've been

2830
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,159
working to try to figure out and do more

2831
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:12,400
than that. Um, on top of that, um, the

2832
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,719
other we also were asked, can you

2833
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:16,159
provide us additional buffering? That's

2834
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:18,159
where the perimeter buffers and other

2835
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:20,320
things come in. Can you help address our

2836
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:21,760
concerns about we don't want to see it

2837
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,000
out of our backyard and also concerns

2838
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,639
about light impacts, noise impacts,

2839
01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:29,360
things like that? We're also asked, how

2840
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,679
do we how can you help us if we're going

2841
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:33,599
to have an emergency department here?

2842
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:35,199
There's a lot of concern about

2843
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:37,119
ambulances coming in for, you know, a

2844
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:39,440
facility that's going to be open 24/7.

2845
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:41,199
How do you address that? How can we

2846
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,040
address that? And then finally, we heard

2847
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:46,159
about traffic um

2848
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:48,960
you know, concerns about not just

2849
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,280
Burlington Mills um although you know

2850
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,800
the as as been noted um the TIA found

2851
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,159
generally that there wasn't going to be

2852
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:58,400
significant impact on existing

2853
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,320
Burlington existing traffic on

2854
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,040
Burlington Mills. Um, we also heard a

2855
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,760
lot of concern from uh Bington neighbors

2856
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:07,360
about how this was going to impact them

2857
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,199
because that portion of Granite Falls

2858
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:10,800
Parkway that that is supposed to go

2859
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,199
through Bar Bington has not been built

2860
01:53:13,199 --> 01:53:15,040
yet. It's something that's on that the

2861
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,199
town is going to do. But we did hear a

2862
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:18,719
lot of concerns about oh now you're

2863
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:20,880
bringing us traffic through to us and we

2864
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:22,880
and so that sort of one of the things

2865
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:24,880
talked a lot the neighbors about and the

2866
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,400
town got involved and talked a little

2867
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,000
bit about the town's plans as well.

2868
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,880
um in terms of the minimum setback. So

2869
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,080
you can see here um what we've done is

2870
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,480
establish a minimum 150 foot building

2871
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:41,360
setback which is that that uh black

2872
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:45,599
north south line. Um and it is zoning

2873
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:48,480
condition number four. Um the idea there

2874
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:51,199
is it's about you know about six times

2875
01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:52,719
what would normally be required under

2876
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:55,119
the LDO. And the idea there is just to

2877
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,280
set a minimum that the building can't

2878
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,599
get too close.

2879
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:01,280
But what we always told the neighbors

2880
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,599
was we will try to get further away from

2881
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:06,320
you. But we don't quite know what that's

2882
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:07,760
going to be because we need to do

2883
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:11,280
additional work um geotechnical surveys

2884
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,639
uh to figure out what we can do. Um I

2885
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:16,400
think as has been mentioned in all the

2886
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:17,520
meetings and I know this is something

2887
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,679
that you all are familiar with uh

2888
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:22,719
there's a lot of rock around here and so

2889
01:54:22,719 --> 01:54:24,159
we didn't want to make promises we

2890
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:26,480
couldn't keep which is why we set a

2891
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:28,639
minimum 150 foot standard and said we're

2892
01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:31,280
going to work to move it further and so

2893
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:32,800
ever since the neighborhood meetings in

2894
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:36,080
the spring um we've been Wake and its

2895
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,560
team has been doing geotechnical surveys

2896
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,280
to try to figure out you know is are we

2897
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,760
able to move the building further

2898
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,800
uh west away from Bington. And the good

2899
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,040
news is is those the information from

2900
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,880
those surveys has started coming back

2901
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,880
and Wakeman is very optimistic that it

2902
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,440
will be able to move it further uh

2903
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,639
further up. Um the uh further to the

2904
01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:01,679
west and to the north. Um exactly how

2905
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:03,760
far we don't know because we haven't

2906
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,560
done the site planning yet. But we are,

2907
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:10,400
Wake is committed to doing that and and

2908
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,480
trying to move it as far as possible

2909
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,239
both to be good neighbors um and to you

2910
01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:17,679
try to address those concerns from

2911
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:20,000
neighbors.

2912
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,320
Um

2913
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,400
the in terms of the large landscape

2914
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:27,840
buffer um you know basically this was a

2915
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,639
request from neighbors um again for you

2916
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:33,599
know as much buffer as possible. Um the

2917
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:35,760
standard would be in the LDO would be 25

2918
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,920
feet of landscape buffer. We basically

2919
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,400
doubled that. Um there's two different

2920
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,639
types of buffers that you're seeing. Um

2921
01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:45,119
on the north side of Grant Falls is a

2922
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:48,159
large landscape buffer with undisturbed

2923
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:49,679
vegetation. Those are because there's

2924
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:52,000
existing trees. The idea is is we're not

2925
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,040
going to mess with that. South of uh

2926
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,199
basically future Grant Falls, there are

2927
01:55:57,199 --> 01:55:59,119
no tree existing trees. So that'll be

2928
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:01,599
landscaped. that's going to be uh a

2929
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:04,560
pretty heavily planted area. Um that

2930
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:07,119
goes that's we took the standard

2931
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:10,000
planting requirements and we put in um

2932
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,400
an additional uh set of evergreen trees

2933
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:15,920
as a requirement uh nine per 100 ft. So

2934
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,639
the idea there is is that um you know in

2935
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:21,360
addition to having you know a buffer

2936
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,080
during you know fall, spring and the

2937
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,679
summer those evergreen trees will help

2938
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:27,599
ensure that they have a year round

2939
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:31,040
opaque buffer.

2940
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,239
Um and then finally we did add another

2941
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:36,159
we have proposed another uh zoning

2942
01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:40,159
condition. Um it came up this was a

2943
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,280
request that sort of came up through the

2944
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,360
neighbors and some communications uh

2945
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:48,480
with staff about uh you know the desire

2946
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,320
that if we were going to have the

2947
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,800
ambulance drop off you know currently in

2948
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:56,320
the concept plan the ambulance drop off is shown on the eastern side of

2949
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,960
the building. Um and so there was a

2950
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,840
concern that there would not be adequate

2951
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,360
screening for that ambulance drop off

2952
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,390
particularly

2953
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,440
excuse me

2954
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,080
particularly right here basically where

2955
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,280
Granite Falls meets the property line

2956
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,840
and the reasoning there is

2957
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,159
um and so the the request was can you

2958
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:24,560
add additional screening for an

2959
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,239
ambulance drop off that is there so

2960
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:28,480
we've proposed a zoning an an additional

2961
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:31,040
zoning condition number eight that

2962
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:32,880
basically provides that for any

2963
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:35,360
ambulance drop off that's within 150 ft

2964
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:37,679
of Granite Falls Parkway. So not the

2965
01:57:37,679 --> 01:57:40,080
property line but the actual road will

2966
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:41,520
have to meet the screening standards

2967
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:45,040
that are in in the LDO for loading docks

2968
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:49,440
or other sort of things like that. So um

2969
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,239
and the idea there is

2970
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,639
that that should provide significant

2971
01:57:54,639 --> 01:57:57,040
additional screening if the ambulance

2972
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:58,880
drop off is there. Again, one of the

2973
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:01,280
things that that Wake me is committed to

2974
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,560
doing as part of the site plan process

2975
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:08,000
if this resoning is approved is to look

2976
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,239
at moving the ambulance drop off to the

2977
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:12,320
other side of the building, which should

2978
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,480
also help address some of the concerns

2979
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:17,599
from neighbors about that.

2980
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:19,760
And just so you know, there's obviously

2981
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:21,679
a concept. This is all coming from a

2982
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:23,119
concept plan that's attached to the

2983
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:26,080
resoning. I want to emphasize

2984
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:29,840
just like um I want to emphasize that

2985
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,000
the concept plan is not binding in terms

2986
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,560
of the location of the building. You

2987
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,480
know, the idea there is it gives people

2988
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:39,119
an idea of what can be done, but it

2989
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:40,719
doesn't prevent us from moving the

2990
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:42,560
building further away. So, if you

2991
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:44,480
approve the resoning, you're not saying

2992
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:46,800
the building has to be here. We can move

2993
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,119
the building west. We can put the

2994
01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:51,280
ambulance entrance on the other side of

2995
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,679
the building. Um, it it allows for all

2996
01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:55,360
that and we will continue to work with

2997
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:58,159
neighbors and keep neighbors updated uh

2998
01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:00,960
about that process.

2999
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:04,000
In terms of ambulance um noise and

3000
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,920
sirens, this was a concern we heard. Um,

3001
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:09,199
one of the things that I personally

3002
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:10,719
learned that I I wasn't fully aware of

3003
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:13,760
is is that um, Wake EMT, which is our

3004
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,599
which is the ambulance provider for Wake

3005
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:18,000
County, um, has largely been moving away

3006
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,560
from having its ambulances run sirens

3007
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:24,000
and run um, its lights. Um, this has

3008
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:24,960
been something that's been happening

3009
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:26,960
over the last couple of years. The

3010
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:28,239
background is is basically they found

3011
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:30,480
that in a lot of cases it causes more

3012
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:33,440
problems than it helps. And so our

3013
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:35,920
expectation would be that uh consistent

3014
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,760
with other health plexes most people

3015
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,360
would be coming in private car without

3016
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:42,560
sirens or lights about 80 90% of people.

3017
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,639
That means about 5 to 10 ambulances

3018
01:59:44,639 --> 01:59:48,400
every 24 hours. And based on those uh

3019
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,719
standards most of those ambulances would

3020
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:52,400
not be running lights or sirens when

3021
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,880
they arrive. So hopefully that would

3022
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:58,159
reduce the impact of that.

3023
01:59:58,159 --> 01:59:59,520
Neighbors were very concerned about

3024
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,440
that. And so one of the things we did

3025
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:04,880
was work to connect neighbors with uh

3026
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,080
WakeMS so they could have have

3027
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:10,159
conversations directly with WakeMS about

3028
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:14,870
those concerns.

3029
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:16,639
Um finally I want to note a couple other

3030
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:19,840
things. Um we heard sort of in addition

3031
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:21,599
to all the other impacts we heard some

3032
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:24,000
concerns about site lighting, parking

3033
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,840
lot lighting and other things impacting

3034
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,679
neighbors.

3035
02:00:27,679 --> 02:00:29,520
We looked at, you know, should do we

3036
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,119
need to do a zoning condition and

3037
02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:33,280
ultimately what we concluded was your

3038
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,280
LDO already handles a lot of these

3039
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,480
issues. So, um, your LDO has a

3040
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:40,560
requirement that all the building and

3041
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:41,920
parking lot lights have to be cut off

3042
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,199
lighting, so they can't be shooting up

3043
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:46,348
in the air. Um, the, uh, there's

3044
02:00:46,348 --> 02:00:47,920
[clears throat] a restriction. We can't

3045
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:49,760
put outdoor lighting within 52 feet of

3046
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:56,880
the shared property line. And although, uh, parking lot lighting poles

3047
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,280
can be up to 30 feet tall in the middle

3048
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:01,520
of a parking lot. You have a requirement

3049
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,040
that basically requires the poles go

3050
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:04,880
down and get lower as you get to the

3051
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:07,199
edge. And so as you get closer to

3052
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:09,679
Bington, the tallest parking lot white

3053
02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:11,360
lighting poles could be would be 12 to

3054
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:14,000
15 ft. So we felt like that was

3055
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:15,440
sufficient to address a lot of the

3056
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:19,599
concerns related to lighting. Um this

3057
02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:21,599
again is just sort of an overall summary

3058
02:01:21,599 --> 02:01:25,520
of the uh traffic impacts. Um, a lot of

3059
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:27,520
where the what the TIA calls for are

3060
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,920
improvements and turn lanes onto Granite

3061
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:33,119
Falls from Bington Mills and or excuse

3062
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:36,239
me, Burlington Mills and um some turn

3063
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:39,040
lanes into the site from Granite Falls

3064
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:44,560
Parkway. Um the um you know again there

3065
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:49,760
is a there's sort of a um two-phase set

3066
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,520
of improvements along Granite Falls that

3067
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,920
be part of this development. Wake Med

3068
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,440
would be doing the improvements for

3069
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,080
Granite Falls on its portion of the road

3070
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,920
of uh the property. So in other words,

3071
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:03,840
from Burlington Mills up to the Bington

3072
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,080
subdivision property line that would be

3073
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,400
built by Wake Med as part of the

3074
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:09,440
development.

3075
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:10,719
>> Can you show me where that is? Because

3076
02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:12,560
that was a question that I had. Sure. If

3077
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:14,000
you all were building part of that,

3078
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,639
>> the the the portion outlined in blue

3079
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:17,440
>> the blue part

3080
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,199
>> is is wake the blue part

3081
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:21,119
>> is w meds. The portion that's outlined

3082
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:22,639
in red

3083
02:02:22,639 --> 02:02:24,400
>> is the right of way that has been

3084
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,040
dedicated for Granite Falls in in the

3085
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:30,080
Bington subdivision, but for whatever

3086
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,159
reason, and I don't I don't know the

3087
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:34,159
reason, was not required to be built at

3088
02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:35,199
the time of development,

3089
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:35,520
>> right?

3090
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:37,520
>> And so, as a result, it doesn't exist

3091
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:39,199
right now. Mhm.

3092
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:42,080
>> Um, we've had some conversations and

3093
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:44,320
obviously, you know, staff can speak to

3094
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:46,400
this better than we can, but it's our

3095
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:51,920
understanding that the town does have a plan in place to construct that

3096
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:55,360
portion of Grand Falls has has sort of

3097
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:57,599
set that aside in your capital budget.

3098
02:02:57,599 --> 02:02:59,840
Um, so that is a project that the town

3099
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:01,280
will be undertaking in the next few

3100
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,159
years. There are some we did hear some

3101
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:06,960
com some concerns from neighbors about,

3102
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,880
you know, How can you fit it all?

3103
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,920
Because the the Granite Falls Parkway

3104
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,560
cross-section that the town wants is

3105
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:17,280
relatively wide, wide sidewalks, things

3106
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:19,280
like that.

3107
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:22,800
What was dedicated in Bington may not be

3108
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:25,520
sufficient to accommodate all that. The

3109
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,320
town is aware of that as I understand it

3110
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:30,719
and we'll work to accommodate that what

3111
02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,880
they've got.

3112
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,400
Um,

3113
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:36,320
so that's about it. We are available for

3114
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,960
questions. Um, I'll be remiss in in not

3115
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,560
mentioning that I've got Tom Cavender uh

3116
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:44,400
with Wake Med, Nanny Curtis with Wake

3117
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,040
Med, as well as um [clears throat] our

3118
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:48,960
team from Timley Horn if you have any

3119
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:52,639
engineering or traffic questions.

3120
02:03:52,639 --> 02:03:55,920
>> Okay, thank you. Um, do you have plans

3121
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:57,760
for anybody to present anything else or

3122
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:01,440
just answer questions? So, um, so before

3123
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,599
I open up public hearing, does the board

3124
02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:06,880
have any questions for the attorney here

3125
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,960
or anybody from Wake Med? And y'all know

3126
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:12,080
Matt. He's a transportation engineer.

3127
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:14,239
Um, anybody have any questions?

3128
02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:15,840
>> Yes, here.

3129
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:18,239
>> I have one question. I I didn't I was

3130
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:21,360
still trying to get back to um you you

3131
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,360
leaned into some things that why

3132
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:24,800
Roseville was chosen,

3133
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,119
>> but I'm more curious of the data that

3134
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:28,800
was used because there was data driven

3135
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,360
decisions to choose Roseville. I I heard

3136
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,679
you say the location of tri proximity of

3137
02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:35,679
traffic and those things, but I didn't

3138
02:04:35,679 --> 02:04:38,480
really hear what numbers were being used

3139
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:40,639
to make that evaluation. Would you be

3140
02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:42,480
speaking to that or would that be the

3141
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:46,000
weight team? Tom

3142
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:47,199
>> because I think that's one of the things

3143
02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:49,440
that the citizens will want to know is

3144
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,199
um beyond

3145
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:52,719
um

3146
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:55,360
roads and traffic um why us? So what

3147
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:56,800
kind of data was driven to make that

3148
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:58,159
decision? We were [clears throat] felt

3149
02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:00,239
that Roseville was an underserved area

3150
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:03,679
medically and that with its location and

3151
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:06,159
proximity to Wickman North and to

3152
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:08,560
Raleigh campus which is what 30 minutes

3153
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:13,040
south of 401, this area needed health

3154
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,040
care brought to their community in the

3155
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:17,119
form of of an emergency department to

3156
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:19,520
take care of those people in critical

3157
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,000
need that prevented them from having to

3158
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,560
travel distances to see medical to seek

3159
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:27,840
high level medical care. So that was it

3160
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:31,840
was a business plan based on need of

3161
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:33,679
this community and of this region.

3162
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:35,520
>> Was it were the demographics included?

3163
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:37,760
Was it based upon you know seniors

3164
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:39,360
coming to the area like what what type

3165
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:40,239
of again

3166
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:43,840
>> demographics age growing population

3167
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,159
travel distance time travel distance on

3168
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:48,400
radiuses. We have a corporate planning

3169
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,560
department that does all of those kind

3170
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:54,080
of analytics that drives where we like

3171
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:57,679
to place these kind of high these highly

3172
02:05:57,679 --> 02:05:58,719
functional facilities.

3173
02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:00,400
>> And I'm assuming with those analytics

3174
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,880
there's like a top five that you say hey

3175
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:08,000
these meet the marks before we do that.

3176
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:09,679
>> I would say there's there's those

3177
02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:11,360
analytics have the top five like you

3178
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:14,080
said but there's a little bit of gut ant

3179
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:15,040
anticipation.

3180
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:18,000
>> Okay. We know that the Roseville area is

3181
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:21,199
a fast growing community. I think it's

3182
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:24,400
like 8% projected and growing beyond

3183
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,960
where we are today. And we felt that

3184
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:28,639
this was a great location and a great

3185
02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:30,400
time to bring this kind of service to

3186
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:32,560
this community that can have that has

3187
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:34,800
the capacity to serve and match the

3188
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,360
growing needs of this group.

3189
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:38,719
>> Thank you.

3190
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:40,800
>> Did you introduce yourself? Did I miss?

3191
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,639
>> I will. Tom [clears throat] Cavender.

3192
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:44,480
I'm the VP of construction and

3193
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,079
facilities for Wake me.

3194
02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:48,480
>> Tom, Tom Tom, one follow-up question to

3195
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:51,199
um Commissioner Long's question there

3196
02:06:51,199 --> 02:06:55,360
about how it got to Roseville. I think

3197
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:56,719
you know, you did a good job answering

3198
02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:59,040
demographics, all that stuff, but it's a

3199
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,719
competitive process at the state level

3200
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:03,760
to get a hospital or emergency facility

3201
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,719
anywhere. So, it was like a competitive

3202
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:10,880
process with several other medical

3203
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:14,159
providers and Wake Med uh got the

3204
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:16,733
approval to put it here. Is that right?

3205
02:07:16,733 --> 02:07:17,040
[clears throat]

3206
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:23,199
>> You're correct on a portion of that. The state medical facilities plan has

3207
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:25,360
several different categories. One is a

3208
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:27,679
competitive process which is like

3209
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:30,079
operating rooms, patient beds and then

3210
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,880
there's other services and the emergency

3211
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:34,719
these standalone emergency departments

3212
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:37,920
do require a co that became that got

3213
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:41,840
approved by the state. Um and that the

3214
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:45,040
state looks at the demographics. They

3215
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:47,280
look at the need and and and what will

3216
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:49,199
this do to this community as part of

3217
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:53,360
their state review. Um, but there's but

3218
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:55,040
it did but it did include a certificate

3219
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:58,719
of need to be able to to be awarded this

3220
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:00,079
location.

3221
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:02,480
>> Thank you. Any other questions for Tom?

3222
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:03,760
If not,

3223
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:06,000
>> I have a couple of questions, but I'm

3224
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,239
This is probably more engineering

3225
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:09,360
related,

3226
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,840
>> but uh

3227
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:13,360
I understand that you guys have already

3228
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:14,960
been looking at like the soil

3229
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,199
composition and being able to determine

3230
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:22,320
if the site can be moved further to the

3231
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:24,239
west side.

3232
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:26,800
How much more time is needed to be able

3233
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:30,719
to determine um the the availability of

3234
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:33,040
the land use plus the um and how much

3235
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:34,719
more time is needed to determine the

3236
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:37,360
feasibility of moving um the ambulance

3237
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:41,440
bay from the east side to the west side

3238
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:43,199
>> moving the ambulance bay [clears throat]

3239
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:44,719
is something we can do relatively

3240
02:08:44,719 --> 02:08:46,480
quickly because what we would

3241
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:48,800
essentially do is invert the design and

3242
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:50,960
structure the soil the soil

3243
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:53,119
investigations are ongoing. We know that

3244
02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:55,199
there's a ridge of rock that goes

3245
02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:56,960
through a portion of that

3246
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,920
>> and we're trying to position the

3247
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:04,560
facility to help help us with our cost

3248
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:05,679
for sure

3249
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:08,000
>> as well as position it so it's still

3250
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:11,119
accessible on the site itself

3251
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:14,400
>> um from future granite Falls Parkway.

3252
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,719
So, and then uh I guess the other

3253
02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:18,880
question too is that if if we do approve

3254
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,440
tonight,

3255
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:24,000
how do we know what kind of conditions

3256
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:27,280
can we set forth to

3257
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,040
make sure that this is still being

3258
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:31,280
pursued? You know, because really the

3259
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,280
ultimate setup would be that the

3260
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:34,960
ambulance bay is on the other side and

3261
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:36,639
the building is pushed further to the

3262
02:09:36,639 --> 02:09:40,079
west. Um

3263
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:41,520
you know, if we were to approve today,

3264
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,599
then you can just say, "Yep, here we go.

3265
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:44,960
we've got the plan, we can't move

3266
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:47,040
anything. You know, what insuranceances

3267
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:49,119
would we have that you would still be

3268
02:09:49,119 --> 02:09:52,880
pursuing um changing

3269
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:55,199
the location of this to a more optimal

3270
02:09:55,199 --> 02:09:59,040
site for residents and neighbors?

3271
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:00,320
>> I [clears throat] think it's a situation

3272
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:03,280
where we are going to do we respect the

3273
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:04,239
neighborhoods

3274
02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:06,560
>> and we respect what and in the time that

3275
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:09,520
as Toby indicated the public hearings we

3276
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:11,840
had or the neighborhood meetings we had.

3277
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:13,920
uh we understand the challenges that

3278
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:16,159
this facility may provide

3279
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:18,719
>> and we'll we'll strive to do whatever we

3280
02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:21,360
can do to minimize and mitigate those.

3281
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:24,639
Um I don't So it's essentially a trust

3282
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:25,360
factor.

3283
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:27,360
>> Okay. And just because I didn't write it

3284
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:29,360
down, could you tell me again just um

3285
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:30,239
how much longer [clears throat] it's

3286
02:10:30,239 --> 02:10:31,360
going to take with the feasibility

3287
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:34,400
studies of the land? I do not have that

3288
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:37,760
timeline for when we'll make a a defined

3289
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:40,639
uh position or or approval

3290
02:10:40,639 --> 02:10:42,719
>> yet, but I know that we're completing

3291
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:45,520
all those soul borings as as we speak.

3292
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:46,880
>> Okay.

3293
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:49,679
>> I would say 30 days maybe. Okay. Five

3294
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:50,400
days.

3295
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:52,480
>> Like between one to two months.

3296
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:58,790
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3297
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:00,880
» Okay. Uh attorney, do you have a

3298
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:05,360
comment? I do. Uh based upon uh comment

3299
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:08,880
for by the attorney uh for the applicant

3300
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:11,520
uh there was a comment about uh being

3301
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:13,199
able to shift the building and the

3302
02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:16,000
drives to the west and northwest. The

3303
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:19,199
way the conditions were submitted uh to

3304
02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:21,199
the town

3305
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:23,440
that's arguably not permitted. that is

3306
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:25,679
the concept plan is the concept plan and

3307
02:11:25,679 --> 02:11:28,000
those are committed elements and drive

3308
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:31,119
location and building location is to be

3309
02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:34,639
where the board is shown it is to be uh

3310
02:11:34,639 --> 02:11:37,119
I would suggest uh to the applicant and

3311
02:11:37,119 --> 02:11:40,880
to the town that condition uh have a

3312
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:42,880
sentence added to it if that's the will

3313
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:46,719
of the applicant um and the board uh

3314
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:48,480
that it include the sentence

3315
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:50,560
notwithstanding the foregoing building

3316
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,960
and drive locations may be shifted west

3317
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:55,119
and to the northwest to increase

3318
02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:57,760
distances between such committed

3319
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:01,040
elements and the eastern property line

3320
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:02,159
so that

3321
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:02,560
>> so

3322
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:04,719
>> we don't close that off

3323
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:07,679
>> you the staff cannot

3324
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:10,800
>> even if it's a great idea and wakeed or

3325
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:14,320
the uh future hospital that that runs it

3326
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:17,440
uh wants to go farther as written I

3327
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:19,520
don't know that that would be allowed so

3328
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:21,280
I I would suggest that that small

3329
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:22,960
revision and I'm comfortable with that

3330
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,800
language as as recited.

3331
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:27,280
>> That is that is fine. Yeah, we're more

3332
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:29,040
than fine with that. We had we had

3333
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:33,920
attempted and obviously this is a team sport in a lot of ways. We

3334
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:35,679
attempted to try to try to achieve that

3335
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:37,440
with the current version number two, but

3336
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:39,599
I think that that

3337
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:41,360
more clarifies it,

3338
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:44,560
>> excuse me, clarifies it better. Um,

3339
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:47,440
excuse my language. Um the um the other

3340
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:49,280
thing I want to note is is that we have

3341
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,280
been in communication

3342
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,920
um with the uh Bington neighborhood

3343
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:57,199
leadership uh the HOA leadership. Um and

3344
02:12:57,199 --> 02:12:58,880
one of the things we've talked about

3345
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:01,440
Commissioner Bernard is that you know

3346
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:02,580
where the rubber is really going to hit

3347
02:13:02,580 --> 02:13:03,840
[clears throat] the road in terms of

3348
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:06,400
location is going to be with the site

3349
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:08,880
plan. And so we we've already started

3350
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:11,199
talking with the neighborhood about how

3351
02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:14,320
do we keep you all informed about the

3352
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,639
site plan process because it is

3353
02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:18,880
administrative and so how do we make

3354
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:21,119
sure that that they're getting access

3355
02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:22,639
and seeing that and know that that is

3356
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:24,320
there. And so we're we're committed to

3357
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:27,599
that. um both because we want to be good

3358
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:29,280
neighbors but also because we recognize

3359
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:33,599
that if this site ultimately grows if

3360
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:35,920
there's other things that happen here we

3361
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,079
will be coming back

3362
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:40,079
and I would anticipate that if we come

3363
02:13:40,079 --> 02:13:42,079
back there'll be somebody with memory

3364
02:13:42,079 --> 02:13:44,480
here and they'll be looking at it and

3365
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:46,719
saying if we don't work with the

3366
02:13:46,719 --> 02:13:47,679
neighbors you said you were going to

3367
02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:50,560
work with the neighbors last time and so

3368
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:52,400
we we recognize there's long memories

3369
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:54,400
and that there's both reasons as

3370
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:56,000
neighbors to do it, but also practical

3371
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:59,760
reasons to get it done.

3372
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:01,199
>> You guys considered a portal for

3373
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:04,719
Barington just to have them strictly for

3374
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:07,760
them to see u development? Well, I mean

3375
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,679
really for anyone, but to designate for

3376
02:14:09,679 --> 02:14:12,159
them a portal that will help them

3377
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:15,360
identify and see your site plans on the

3378
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:17,440
go. So that way the administratively you

3379
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:19,119
don't have to do it consistently and

3380
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:20,719
they can go back to it. And then in that

3381
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:22,639
section, us as the board will also have

3382
02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:24,400
access to it as well. So that way it

3383
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:26,159
keeps everyone informed. It's digitized

3384
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:27,840
and it gives you an opportunity to keep

3385
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:30,719
real-time updates. Is that possible?

3386
02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:32,239
>> That's certainly possible. I think I'd

3387
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:34,239
want to talk with uh your planning staff

3388
02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:35,679
because I know that with your new

3389
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:37,840
system, a lot of that stuff has become

3390
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:40,000
more available through the city through

3391
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,880
the town system.

3392
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,639
>> Anytime there's an approved plan or an

3393
02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:46,880
action by the board, all that gets

3394
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:49,119
loaded up to the planning page of the

3395
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:52,000
website. So there will be a already is

3396
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:56,709
probably uh a growing

3397
02:14:56,719 --> 02:14:59,599
item for Wake Med. So

3398
02:14:59,599 --> 02:15:01,440
>> but but I'm really was just referring to

3399
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:04,079
the Barington

3400
02:15:04,079 --> 02:15:06,639
>> just really for those leadership that

3401
02:15:06,639 --> 02:15:07,760
you were mentioning. Yeah.

3402
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:09,199
>> Obviously we have access to the

3403
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:12,320
dashboard but to to accommodate their

3404
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:13,679
angst. Is that something that you would

3405
02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:15,360
be willing to do if you will?

3406
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:16,800
>> I I don't know. That's something that

3407
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:19,119
the the the Bington residents will have

3408
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:21,440
to sign off on, but just trying to come

3409
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:24,239
up with ways to alleviate um some

3410
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:26,159
administrative but also some some peace

3411
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:27,599
of mind with communication.

3412
02:15:27,599 --> 02:15:29,520
>> Yeah, I think that's a great idea and I

3413
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:31,280
think I was just looking over at the

3414
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:32,719
Wakeman team just to make sure they're

3415
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:35,440
comfortable with it and they are. Um, I

3416
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:38,159
think what we'd want to do, um, is

3417
02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:40,079
figure out, again, work with your staff

3418
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:41,599
to figure out what is the best way to do

3419
02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:44,159
that to make sure that

3420
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:46,560
there's confidence

3421
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:48,239
that they're getting all the information

3422
02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:49,920
and it's coming. I think the more that

3423
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:52,000
it can come from the town and the town

3424
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:53,599
can say this is the stuff that we have

3425
02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:55,520
in our

3426
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:57,920
um in our system as the as things are

3427
02:15:57,920 --> 02:15:59,360
going through the process, I think the

3428
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:02,239
more helpful that'll be. Um, that's just

3429
02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:04,560
based on my experience of, you know,

3430
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,040
sometimes people suspect that if you if

3431
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:08,400
it's coming straight from the applicant

3432
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,079
that they're giving you just what what

3433
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:13,840
they want you to see sort of thing.

3434
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:15,599
>> Thank you. Thanks. Appreciate that. An

3435
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:16,719
email of the question.

3436
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:22,310
>> Uh, Matt,

3437
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:24,079
how are you this evening, Matt?

3438
02:16:24,079 --> 02:16:26,639
>> Doing well. Um, my name is Matt Peach,

3439
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:28,480
Stantech Consulting Services, uh,

3440
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:30,079
traffic engineer. Very happy to be in

3441
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,399
front of you tonight. happy to answer

3442
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,080
any questions you may have. Commissioner

3443
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:35,040
Paul,

3444
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,040
>> so have you ever been stuck in the

3445
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:39,359
traffic of the parents picking up their

3446
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:41,280
children from the middle school?

3447
02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:45,439
>> Uh uh yes, I have. Uh well, my

3448
02:16:45,439 --> 02:16:46,639
daughter's currently in elementary

3449
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,639
school, so I do get caught in a parent

3450
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:50,319
carpool quite often, only at a

3451
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:51,359
elementary school.

3452
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:53,359
>> I'm talking on Burlington Mills Road.

3453
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:55,200
>> On Burlington Mills Road, I have not.

3454
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:57,359
>> Okay. I've been stuck there literally

3455
02:16:57,359 --> 02:17:01,120
for 20 minutes not moving a single foot.

3456
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:04,160
So, and it's a safety hazard. It

3457
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:07,200
shouldn't happen, but it does twice a

3458
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:08,559
day.

3459
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:13,120
>> How does that factor into the 1500 plus

3460
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:15,519
uh vehicles that are going to come in

3461
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:18,160
and out of the Wake Med campus every

3462
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:18,639
day?

3463
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:19,519
>> Yes. So

3464
02:17:19,519 --> 02:17:21,359
>> because it's not rush hour, 2:20 in the

3465
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:22,719
afternoon is not rush hour. So it

3466
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:24,960
doesn't factor into your analysis, but

3467
02:17:24,960 --> 02:17:28,080
it is a huge problem. And my

3468
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,519
understanding is that someday Burlington

3469
02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:33,840
Mills will be a four-lane road. My guess

3470
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:35,840
is it's probably not for another 15 or

3471
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:37,439
20 years.

3472
02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:39,920
>> Correct. Um so there's there's a couple

3473
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:45,120
of different ways we go about looking at that and then those concerns. Um,

3474
02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:47,519
obviously we study both the the morning

3475
02:17:47,519 --> 02:17:49,840
peak and the evening peak, right? Uh,

3476
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:51,439
the evening peak doesn't overlap with

3477
02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:53,519
the middle school. Um, because the

3478
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:55,439
evening peak typically occurs from 400

3479
02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:59,040
p.m. to 6 p.m., right? Um, so in 4 p.m.

3480
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:00,719
to 6 p.m. we actually see better

3481
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:03,599
operations along Burlington Mills Road

3482
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:06,559
than we do from 7:00 to 9:00 a.m.

3483
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:08,719
because of exactly the middle school,

3484
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:09,920
right? Um, so what [clears throat]

3485
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,359
you'll see in the study is we do see

3486
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:14,000
longer delays in the morning. Um, but

3487
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:15,280
that's attributed to middle school

3488
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:18,800
traffic, right? Um, now what I will say

3489
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:20,559
about this facility is that this

3490
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:22,319
facility and and you know, please don't

3491
02:18:22,319 --> 02:18:25,120
quote me on this, but this is a facility

3492
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:28,000
that's going to be open 24 hours a day,

3493
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:31,920
seven days a week. Um, so I would, you

3494
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:33,920
know, from from my per personal and

3495
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:35,840
professional opinion, I would to expect

3496
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,639
to see some staff changes. Um would

3497
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:41,359
those staff changes occur right when uh

3498
02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:43,679
the middle school is running a morning

3499
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:46,719
carp pool? That that I can't say. Um

3500
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:49,599
what I will say is what we studied um in

3501
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:51,679
the traffic study and you saw it on the

3502
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:53,280
earlier slide was actually medical

3503
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:55,840
office building. Uh the reason we did

3504
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:59,439
that uh was because as part of the LDO

3505
02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:01,040
uh during any reasonzoning we're

3506
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:03,760
required to study a range of uses that

3507
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:06,160
are proposed and we intentionally select

3508
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:09,760
the highest generating use. Um so

3509
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:12,960
there's there is data that says that a

3510
02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:14,639
freestanding emergency department

3511
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:17,519
generates so much traffic. It's actually

3512
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:19,599
less than what we studied in the traffic

3513
02:19:19,599 --> 02:19:21,200
study because of the way the LDO is

3514
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:23,760
written. Um, so we study medical dental

3515
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:25,679
because not only does it generate more

3516
02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:28,160
traffic throughout a day, it generates

3517
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:30,719
more traffic during those peak hours. So

3518
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:33,920
we wanted to kind of get the highest um

3519
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:36,000
generating impact during that am peak

3520
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,319
hour because we know operations along

3521
02:19:38,319 --> 02:19:40,000
Burlington Mills Road is not great

3522
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:42,000
whenever the middle school is is in

3523
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:42,800
session. Um,

3524
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:44,800
>> yeah. And my concern is that parent who

3525
02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:46,880
has a child with a broken leg or broken

3526
02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:49,520
arm and they get stuck in that 2:20 in

3527
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:51,680
the afternoon traffic and can't move.

3528
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:53,920
There's no way to go around it.

3529
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:54,399
>> Yes.

3530
02:19:54,399 --> 02:19:55,920
>> And no way to turn around and go

3531
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:59,760
backwards. So that's not a statistic for

3532
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:02,399
your TIA. It's a fact that's going to

3533
02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:04,399
happen at some point if there's nothing

3534
02:20:04,399 --> 02:20:06,640
to remediate that.

3535
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:08,560
>> That is correct and that that is that is

3536
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:11,520
definitely a definitely a concern. Um I

3537
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:14,080
will say that the uh Granite Falls

3538
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:16,399
extension will will help in providing

3539
02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:17,600
another route. Right.

3540
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:20,160
>> Of course. Now for someone west of the

3541
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:22,399
Wake Med Center on Burlington Mills.

3542
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:24,560
>> That is also correct. So yes, west west

3543
02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:27,359
of there the the connectivity is is not

3544
02:20:27,359 --> 02:20:29,280
as great as it is to the east.

3545
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:31,280
>> Okay, that's all I got for you. Thank

3546
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:32,800
you, sir.

3547
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:34,240
>> I have a question. Yes, ma'am.

3548
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:35,120
>> You have a question? No.

3549
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:39,040
>> Go right ahead. Okay. So, um,

3550
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:41,920
in the past when the traffic analysis

3551
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:45,200
were done, they were based on 2% growth.

3552
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,520
>> And in this one, I saw 1%.

3553
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:48,319
>> That's correct.

3554
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:49,920
>> Is why is that? I don't want to

3555
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:50,640
speculate.

3556
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:52,640
>> Yeah. So, historically, we have chosen

3557
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:54,560
2% in Rollsville because, as you know,

3558
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:57,680
Rollsville is is growing. Um, in in this

3559
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,240
instance, we we chose 1% because of the

3560
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,560
excessive amount of development in this

3561
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:05,200
area, right? Not only do we have

3562
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:08,399
Wahbrook, we have Wahbrook Flats and and

3563
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,640
other kind of developments in the area.

3564
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:14,000
So, we intentionally chose a lower kind

3565
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,720
of background growth rate, if you will,

3566
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:18,640
because we were accounting for so many

3567
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:20,560
known developments in the area. Pierce

3568
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:23,040
Farm, um gosh, there's there's a few

3569
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:23,680
others.

3570
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,640
>> Is that like catchup catchup numbers?

3571
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:35,359
Cat t catch up, not ketchup. Um, is that like um because the pool is so

3572
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:38,560
big right now? That is that why 2%

3573
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:40,720
wasn't used and the 1% was

3574
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:42,720
>> because the known developments are so

3575
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:44,399
large. Yes, that's correct.

3576
02:21:44,399 --> 02:21:44,720
>> Okay.

3577
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:46,479
>> Well, I heard the applicant talk about

3578
02:21:46,479 --> 02:21:48,880
an 8% growth rate and that was the part

3579
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:50,720
of the attraction to be here.

3580
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:53,359
>> And then you're using a 1%

3581
02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:57,200
>> well a 1% flat rate applied to to every,

3582
02:21:57,200 --> 02:21:59,040
you know, intersection in the study

3583
02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:02,000
area. But on top of that, what traffic

3584
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:03,840
we know is coming from, you know, the

3585
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:05,840
Pierce Farms and the Wall Brooks and

3586
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:08,080
etc., we factor that in too. So the

3587
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,160
actual growth rate is much much higher.

3588
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:10,479
>> Yes.

3589
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:13,520
>> Um now I I will say Commissioner Sne um

3590
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:17,520
we studied uh an opening year of 2027 as

3591
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:20,479
that was what was directed to us. So

3592
02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:23,840
using a 1% versus a 2% growth rate isn't

3593
02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:25,120
going to make a substantial difference

3594
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:27,120
in the results because of the short time

3595
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:27,760
horizon.

3596
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,600
>> And those other developments, all of

3597
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:30,960
those other developments were already

3598
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:31,840
factored in. You said

3599
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:32,240
>> correct.

3600
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:32,640
>> Okay.

3601
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:34,240
>> Y

3602
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:36,560
>> that's all I have. Thank you.

3603
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:38,880
>> Any other questions for Matt?

3604
02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:39,520
>> Thank you, Matt.

3605
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:39,920
>> Thank you.

3606
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:41,040
>> Any other questions? See you, Matt.

3607
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:41,760
>> Thank you.

3608
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:46,080
>> Any other questions for the applicant?

3609
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:46,479
Lovely.

3610
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:48,160
>> Not for the staff and we'll open up the

3611
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:51,590
public hearing.

3612
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:54,800
Uh, anything closing comments from the

3613
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:56,960
staff before I open up public hearing?

3614
02:22:56,960 --> 02:23:13,910
>> No, sir.

3615
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:16,560
Thank you. Appreciate that.

3616
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:22,070
Okay, I will open up the public hearing

3617
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:24,800
and um this is for legislative hearing

3618
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:27,439
RZ25-06

3619
02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:30,160
and RZ25-1

3620
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:34,070
and ANX26-2.

3621
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:36,960
Um we [snorts] have one person to sign

3622
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:42,319
up and uh Terry Keenan come on down. uh

3623
02:23:42,319 --> 02:23:44,720
we limit to three minutes but being we

3624
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:47,840
don't have one person it's not really

3625
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:51,280
>> a lot of people to speak so um

3626
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,040
>> but keep you [laughter]

3627
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:55,200
keep it brief as as possible thank you

3628
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:58,160
>> keep as brief as possible um

3629
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,240
>> good evening mayor commissioners um as

3630
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:02,080
most of you know my name is Tony Kenyan

3631
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,000
I'm a Rosewood resident I'm a Rosewood

3632
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:06,960
business owner I'm also the Bington HOA

3633
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:09,520
dire one of the Barington HOA directors

3634
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:11,040
um I want to begin by making one thing

3635
02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:13,040
very Clear. I support Wake coming to

3636
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:14,880
Roseville. Our growing community

3637
02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:16,960
deserves timely access to highquality

3638
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:19,120
emergency care. My concern tonight is

3639
02:24:19,120 --> 02:24:20,960
not whether we need this facility. My

3640
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:22,560
concern is whether the zoning decision

3641
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:24,880
being made tonight adequately protects

3642
02:24:24,880 --> 02:24:27,280
our community. Not only the project

3643
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,520
being not only for the project being

3644
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:31,760
presented today, but for the future. I

3645
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:34,319
have three specific questions. May not

3646
02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:35,840
ask all three because a lot of those

3647
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:37,760
were already answered. Jen kind of was

3648
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:40,720
all in my Kool-Aid. Um, first is

3649
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:42,720
traffic. The traffic impact analysis

3650
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:44,479
summary shows conditions at Burlington

3651
02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:46,560
Mills Road and Old Burlington Mills

3652
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:49,200
Road, Wallbook Flats, is changing from a

3653
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:52,160
level of service E with 44.3 seconds of

3654
02:24:52,160 --> 02:24:54,960
delay in the no build scenario to a

3655
02:24:54,960 --> 02:24:57,920
level of service F with 61.6 seconds in

3656
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:00,000
the build scenario. The more detailed

3657
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,319
analysis also shows the southbound left

3658
02:25:02,319 --> 02:25:05,439
turn delay increasing from 98.3 seconds

3659
02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:08,720
to 144.3 seconds while remaining level

3660
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:12,240
of service F. Yet the report ultimately

3661
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:13,760
concludes that no improvement is

3662
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:15,520
required at this location and that the

3663
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:18,080
applicable town standard is satisfied. I

3664
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:20,319
am not a traffic engineer and I do not

3665
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:22,000
want to misinterpret the technical

3666
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:24,080
standard. So before voting, I

3667
02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:26,319
respectfully ask the board to have their

3668
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:28,240
traffic engineer explain how these

3669
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:31,439
results satisfy section 8. E of

3670
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:34,319
Roseville's land development ordinance.

3671
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:37,359
Um also to speak to Michael Pauls, if

3672
02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:40,240
you look at the build loss at Wal Co and

3673
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:42,080
Burlington Mill, it goes from a level B

3674
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:44,560
to a D. That is a decline. I don't know

3675
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:46,000
what numbers they use, but that's not

3676
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:47,920
great. Second is the commercial highway

3677
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:49,920
conditional zoning. I understand that

3678
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:52,080
this approval specifically proid

3679
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:54,319
prohibits several uses normally

3680
02:25:54,319 --> 02:25:55,920
associated with commercial highway

3681
02:25:55,920 --> 02:25:58,479
zoning. I appreciate those restrictions.

3682
02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:01,040
However, I would like to know which

3683
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:03,600
non-medical commercial highway uses

3684
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:06,080
remain permitted under this approval and

3685
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:08,319
whether any of those could those uses

3686
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:10,880
could replace or supplement the hospital

3687
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:13,280
in the future without another

3688
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:15,760
legislative resoning hearing. If the

3689
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,439
purpose of this resoning is to

3690
02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:19,200
accommodate a hospital and related

3691
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:21,439
medical services, I respectfully ask the

3692
02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:23,040
board to consider whether the permitted

3693
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:25,840
uses should reflect that purpose. Second

3694
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:27,760
is the commercial highway conditional

3695
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,399
zoning and the future use future use of

3696
02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:32,319
this property. I understand that Wake

3697
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:34,000
Med has stated that it does not intend

3698
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,000
to develop the site into a fullervice

3699
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:37,760
hospital and I appreciate that

3700
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:40,319
clarification. However, zoning decisions

3701
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:41,760
last much longer than current

3702
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:44,640
development plans. The traffic impal

3703
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:47,439
impact analysis itself evaluates a

3704
02:26:47,439 --> 02:26:49,200
future fullervice medical center

3705
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:51,680
scenario on this property. I also

3706
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:53,600
understand that this larger scenario was

3707
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:55,760
requested by the town as he just

3708
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:57,439
mentioned and was not presented by Wake

3709
02:26:57,439 --> 02:27:00,560
Med as its current development plan.

3710
02:27:00,560 --> 02:27:03,040
Before voting, I respectfully ask the

3711
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:05,200
board to clarify those things and

3712
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:07,359
recommended recommendations

3713
02:27:07,359 --> 02:27:09,600
um and to make sure that they have been

3714
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:12,000
incorporated in the final enforcable

3715
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:14,399
zoning conditions. If they have not,

3716
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:16,560
which protections are not included and

3717
02:27:16,560 --> 02:27:17,680
why?

3718
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:21,040
>> Thank you, Tony. Um any other comments

3719
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:24,319
from the public for against

3720
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:25,840
um

3721
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:29,120
Come on up, state your name. wants to

3722
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:36,550
tighten tighten me down. [clears throat]

3723
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:38,560
» Your name and address, please.

3724
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:39,280
>> Excuse me, sir.

3725
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:40,399
>> State your name and address.

3726
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:42,720
>> My name is Elfie Shock. I live at 521

3727
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:46,080
Kenton Mill Court, which is in the town

3728
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:49,760
homes, the the towns at Bington.

3729
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:53,280
Um, I respectfully ask that before you

3730
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:55,280
make any decisions or take any kind of

3731
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:58,800
vote, y'all are invited to come over to

3732
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:01,520
our community, which is literally just

3733
02:28:01,520 --> 02:28:03,920
walk out this door right here, go

3734
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:06,240
through the woods, and it's right there.

3735
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:08,640
And take a look at the extension. the

3736
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:13,120
developer that built and I'm I'm sure

3737
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:15,120
your attorney is familiar with the

3738
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:16,800
history.

3739
02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:19,439
He didn't leave any room to do that

3740
02:28:19,439 --> 02:28:21,680
extension. When I say he didn't leave

3741
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:24,560
any room, it's it's wide enough for a a

3742
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:28,319
bike path, a foot path, but I think you

3743
02:28:28,319 --> 02:28:30,479
would have to take some town homes and

3744
02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:32,880
destroy them and take them by eminent

3745
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:35,680
domain to be able to get a road through

3746
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:37,120
there, especially the one that was

3747
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:40,960
proposed initially when you um were

3748
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:43,359
first given the information tonight.

3749
02:28:43,359 --> 02:28:44,560
>> Thank you. Appreciate that.

3750
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:47,840
>> So, please come over and see how much

3751
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:49,359
space you have to work with.

3752
02:28:49,359 --> 02:28:50,160
>> Yeah. Thank you.

3753
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:50,880
>> Thank you.

3754
02:28:50,880 --> 02:28:57,270
>> Any uh anybody else?

3755
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,120
» Evening. My name is Aaron Sullivan. I

3756
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:01,600
live at 230 Bridgeoint Drive, which is

3757
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:04,800
the very first townhouse um where the

3758
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:08,080
new extension is supposed to go. Um I

3759
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:10,640
moved to this town, bought my Honda or

3760
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:12,240
townhouse

3761
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:15,840
February of last year. um moved to a

3762
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:20,640
small town in a growing area. But um

3763
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:22,720
just would like you all to consider the

3764
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:24,880
fact that

3765
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:26,960
having a

3766
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:30,160
facility like that in my backyard um

3767
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:32,080
with the lights and sirens and

3768
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:35,520
everything else um is not something that

3769
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:38,000
I was looking forward to when I decided

3770
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:42,880
to become a citizen of this town. Um I

3771
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:45,040
think that

3772
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:50,800
um it is going to be a burden on the

3773
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:55,280
community as far as um the amount of

3774
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:59,200
traffic um if the road does go through

3775
02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:03,120
um it will cause additional traffic

3776
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:06,479
issues through our neighborhood. Um I

3777
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,240
haven't

3778
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:10,880
in all of these meetings um my neighbors

3779
02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:13,840
with children have gone up and

3780
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:15,439
presenting their presented their

3781
02:30:15,439 --> 02:30:18,960
concerns to um

3782
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:22,399
Wake Med. I don't even have kids but

3783
02:30:22,399 --> 02:30:26,080
kids are all over the neighborhood. Um

3784
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:29,920
they spend a lot of time in that area.

3785
02:30:29,920 --> 02:30:33,040
Um and it's just something that needs to

3786
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:35,760
be considered. I'm not a parent, but I

3787
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:37,920
am a proponent of the fact that we have

3788
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:39,680
a lot of active young children in the

3789
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:42,479
neighborhood. Um, so just would like to

3790
02:30:42,479 --> 02:30:44,880
ask you to keep that in mind for your

3791
02:30:44,880 --> 02:30:46,160
decision.

3792
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:48,160
>> Thank you. Appreciate that. Anybody else

3793
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:53,110
want to speak?

3794
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:54,880
» My name is William Een Johnson. I live

3795
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,840
at 532 Bington Hall Drive. Um, and so

3796
02:30:57,840 --> 02:31:00,000
I'm here to respectfully oppose this

3797
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:02,000
proposed resoning. Uh first the change

3798
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:03,680
is inconsistent with the intent of civic

3799
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:05,280
zoning. Civic use land is generally

3800
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:07,520
intended for low impact public functions

3801
02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:09,600
like schools, libraries, etc. A

3802
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:11,120
standalone emergency department is a

3803
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:13,600
high intensity 24-hour medical facility.

3804
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:15,680
Uh a lot of data shows that standalone

3805
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:17,280
emergency departments often generate

3806
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:18,800
multiple times the daily amount of

3807
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:20,240
traffic and use than that of typical

3808
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:22,160
civic use buildings. Uh this would

3809
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:23,680
significantly increase traffic on

3810
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:25,200
residential streets that were never

3811
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:27,200
designed for that volume. Um, our two

3812
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:29,200
older children play uh with their

3813
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:30,319
friends throughout our neighborhood as

3814
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:32,240
was mentioned earlier. Uh, they often

3815
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:33,840
travel among the homes down to the town

3816
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:36,800
homes on foot, bike, sled when the

3817
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:39,359
winter provides us some snow. Um, and

3818
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:41,680
this in this increased traffic would

3819
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,680
prevent a significant safety hazard for

3820
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:45,520
our kids as well as anyone in the in the

3821
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:47,359
neighborhood. Um, especially with the

3822
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:48,640
completion of the Granite Falls

3823
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:50,720
Boulevard uh that's intended at some

3824
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:52,560
point in the next couple of years. Uh,

3825
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:54,080
second, noise and operational impacts

3826
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:55,520
are unavoidable. Um, emergency

3827
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:57,359
departments operate around the clock.

3828
02:31:57,359 --> 02:31:59,600
They do involve in some cases sirens,

3829
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:01,520
emergency vehicles, people traveling at

3830
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:03,439
high speeds, um, and high intensity

3831
02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:05,920
lighting. Uh, research shows that this,

3832
02:32:05,920 --> 02:32:07,840
um, that residents adjacent to emergency

3833
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:09,680
facilities routinely experience noise

3834
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:12,479
levels that exceed safety thresholds.

3835
02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:14,160
Uh, third, there are measurable public

3836
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:15,600
safety and crime related considerations.

3837
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:16,800
Studies in urban planning and law

3838
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:18,399
enforcement cons consistently show that

3839
02:32:18,399 --> 02:32:20,240
highintensity 247 facilities

3840
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:21,439
particularly those associated with

3841
02:32:21,439 --> 02:32:23,439
emergency medical services tend to

3842
02:32:23,439 --> 02:32:25,040
attract increased calls for police

3843
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:26,640
services, loitering and opportunistic

3844
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:29,760
crime uh compared to low impact civic

3845
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:32,319
uses. Uh fourth, property values are our

3846
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:34,160
impacts are well documented. Uh real

3847
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:35,359
estate and land use studies indicate

3848
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:37,120
that proximity to high-intensity medical

3849
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:38,880
or emergency facilities can reduce

3850
02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:40,880
nearby residential property values by 5

3851
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:43,520
to 15% depending on traffic, noise and

3852
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:45,040
visual impact. For a lot of families,

3853
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:47,280
their home is their primary or largest

3854
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:48,640
financial asset. This resoning would

3855
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:50,479
introduce a risk that was not there when

3856
02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:52,399
many of us purchased our homes. Uh

3857
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:53,680
fifth, from a plan perspective, this

3858
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:55,439
resoning sets a concerning president.

3859
02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:56,880
Changing zoning for a single property

3860
02:32:56,880 --> 02:32:58,479
allows or to allow for more intensive

3861
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:00,000
use undermines the predictability and

3862
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:01,359
stability that zoning is meant to

3863
02:33:01,359 --> 02:33:02,960
provide. If approved, it becomes

3864
02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:04,640
difficult to deny similar requests in

3865
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:06,399
the future, gradually eroding the

3866
02:33:06,399 --> 02:33:08,399
residential character of the area.

3867
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:10,560
Finally, uh we are not opposed, as has

3868
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:11,439
been mentioned, to healthcare

3869
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:12,800
infrastructure in our community.

3870
02:33:12,800 --> 02:33:14,160
Emergency services are essential,

3871
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:15,920
especially to seniors, families with

3872
02:33:15,920 --> 02:33:18,000
young children like my family. Both

3873
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:19,280
groups that are represented throughout

3874
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:20,720
our community and the town home

3875
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:22,560
community. Um, however, location

3876
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,399
matters. Commercial corridors and areas

3877
02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:26,800
with existing infrastructure are better

3878
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:28,240
suited for this type of facility without

3879
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,479
imposing a disproportionate impact on

3880
02:33:30,479 --> 02:33:31,840
residential on our residential

3881
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,680
neighborhood. For these reasons, I would

3882
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:36,080
urge the board to deny this resoning

3883
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:37,520
request. I'm ready to take your

3884
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:38,720
questions now if you have any. So,

3885
02:33:38,720 --> 02:33:39,120
>> thank you.

3886
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:39,840
>> No, I'm just kidding. I really

3887
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:40,880
appreciate your time. Thank you. Sorry

3888
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:44,471
for speeding through. Yeah. Um,

3889
02:33:44,471 --> 02:33:47,520
[snorts] anybody else?

3890
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:51,840
Okay. Uh, I'll close the public hearing.

3891
02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:54,399
And couple points I just I think we

3892
02:33:54,399 --> 02:33:56,000
brought up. I just want to make sure we

3893
02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:59,200
clarify. Um, and maybe the first one

3894
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:01,680
either either Stephen, you or her can

3895
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:05,200
speak on. Um, the Granite Falls that

3896
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:06,880
goes through that neighborhood is not

3897
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:09,120
part of this project.

3898
02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:12,240
That's that's a town project, right?

3899
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:14,720
So, I I think it was brought up by a

3900
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:17,439
couple concerned people that if we

3901
02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:19,040
didn't approve this project, that's not

3902
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:20,560
going to happen. But that's a town

3903
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:22,800
project, right? That's not a it has

3904
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:25,680
nothing to do with Wake Med pretty much.

3905
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:26,640
Is that correct?

3906
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:27,120
>> Correct.

3907
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:30,240
>> Okay. Um, another another point was

3908
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:33,520
brought up I think uh Tony brought up uh

3909
02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:36,319
has to do with um

3910
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:38,560
has to do with the uses and I I don't

3911
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:40,960
remember what the first didn't the first

3912
02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:43,200
condition address some of the uses that

3913
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:45,120
we could be afraid of wait it didn't go

3914
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:46,000
in or something.

3915
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:47,680
>> I think the question is what other uses

3916
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:49,040
that were not prohibited would be

3917
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:51,680
allowed to go to the table of uses

3918
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:52,560
>> to pull up that

3919
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:54,080
>> but what was the first condition? I

3920
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:55,200
don't recall. I thought the first

3921
02:34:55,200 --> 02:34:57,359
condition had something some something

3922
02:34:57,359 --> 02:34:59,359
>> prohibited principal uses. Examples such

3923
02:34:59,359 --> 02:35:00,880
as gas station, shopping center, and

3924
02:35:00,880 --> 02:35:02,479
vehicle minor services and major

3925
02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:02,960
service.

3926
02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:04,560
>> So those probably things that could go

3927
02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:07,280
in there if it's a highway commercial

3928
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:08,960
type thing. Is that right?

3929
02:35:08,960 --> 02:35:11,920
>> These are the probably the worst offense

3930
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:14,000
type uses that could go there if it

3931
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:15,359
weren't for this condition.

3932
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:15,760
>> Right.

3933
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:18,319
>> But there are many other uses that still

3934
02:35:18,319 --> 02:35:20,479
could go in which is their concern. And

3935
02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:24,319
uh I think that was her question was um

3936
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:26,000
>> can we eliminate those other uses

3937
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:28,960
>> which they are which they are kind of

3938
02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:30,560
>> specifically is can we just hold it

3939
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:33,040
strictly to hospital?

3940
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:35,280
>> Yeah. And that's that's the question.

3941
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:38,800
It's the question is can we

3942
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:41,439
keep it hospital

3943
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:49,190
and can

3944
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:52,560
» the normal practice is to restrict the

3945
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:54,319
other uses that you could otherwise

3946
02:35:54,319 --> 02:35:56,160
have. Um but there's no legal

3947
02:35:56,160 --> 02:35:58,560
prohibition upon just stating a single

3948
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:00,560
use. Um it's just not the normal way

3949
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:03,920
that uh conditions are drafted. You you

3950
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:05,920
take all the uses one can make under the

3951
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:09,280
ordinance and you narrow you take the

3952
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:11,040
use you can make of a piece of land and

3953
02:36:11,040 --> 02:36:13,439
you constrain it but by increasing the

3954
02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:15,200
buffers or the screening. So you go from

3955
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:18,560
broad to narrow. Um drafting it that way

3956
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:25,280
would be one particular thing. Um not inappropriate but I suppose the

3957
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:27,840
normal way to do it is you just list

3958
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:29,280
>> all the things you don't want.

3959
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:32,319
>> Yeah. um or or just the ones you do want

3960
02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:34,399
>> or just the ones you do want. Whereas if

3961
02:36:34,399 --> 02:36:36,000
something should happen and Wake Med

3962
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:38,319
wants to sell the land, it's only for a

3963
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:40,160
hospital uses. Somebody else would have

3964
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:43,359
to come upon the board to

3965
02:36:43,359 --> 02:36:44,960
change the AC, you know, ask for a

3966
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:47,120
change in the exception on the land,

3967
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:47,760
right?

3968
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:50,479
>> Totally within the judgment of the

3969
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:54,720
applicant and uh the town. Uh the town

3970
02:36:54,720 --> 02:36:55,840
doesn't have the authority to

3971
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,319
unilaterally impose conditions,

3972
02:36:58,319 --> 02:37:01,359
>> but uh I suspect that I'm not well I

3973
02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:02,960
don't know. Let Wake Med speak for

3974
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:04,720
themselves. I I doubt they would have a

3975
02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:05,840
preference either way.

3976
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:07,280
>> Okay, we'll come we'll come back to

3977
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:09,439
that. Let them kind of You all heard

3978
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:11,760
y'all heard the question. Uh, and then

3979
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:16,399
the last one I think I heard, um,

3980
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:18,399
had do with you, Matt. I think he was

3981
02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:20,000
called out specifically to come up here

3982
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:24,160
and explain this intersection thing and,

3983
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:24,880
you know,

3984
02:37:24,880 --> 02:37:25,760
>> road improvements,

3985
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:26,080
>> huh,

3986
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:26,960
>> and road improvements,

3987
02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:28,560
>> the degradation of certain

3988
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:29,760
intersections.

3989
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:31,920
>> Yes. The intersection in question was

3990
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:35,280
the intersection of um, Burlington Mills

3991
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:37,359
Road at Old Burlington Mills Road and

3992
02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:39,760
the Walberrook Flats access. Um the

3993
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,920
statement made was was accurate. We are

3994
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:44,160
showing increases in delay going from a

3995
02:37:44,160 --> 02:37:46,080
level of service E to a level of service

3996
02:37:46,080 --> 02:37:48,479
F. And as you all know that is a trigger

3997
02:37:48,479 --> 02:37:51,920
in the LDO for for improvement. So um

3998
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:54,640
kind of the way the report continues um

3999
02:37:54,640 --> 02:37:56,479
is that we evaluated two potential

4000
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:58,720
improvements. Uh the first was

4001
02:37:58,720 --> 02:38:01,280
installation of a traffic signal at at

4002
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:03,760
that location. Uh we did not recommend

4003
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:07,600
that due to the spacing between it and

4004
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:10,319
the intersection at Main Street. Um this

4005
02:38:10,319 --> 02:38:12,479
simply too close. Um as you all know

4006
02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:15,120
traffic signals stop traffic. When you

4007
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,520
stop traffic you have traffic then that

4008
02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:20,160
then cues back. Uh our concern was

4009
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:21,840
stopping traffic and then having it

4010
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:23,840
queue back out onto Main Street and

4011
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:26,399
causing cascading delays and and you

4012
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:27,920
know if if that gets bad enough that's

4013
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:29,920
what results in gridlock. So we didn't

4014
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:32,560
recommend uh installing traffic signal.

4015
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:35,040
Uh the other thing we recommended um

4016
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:36,720
because really what's seeing the high

4017
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:39,280
delay is the left turns. Uh so we

4018
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:42,399
evaluated restricting uh access for

4019
02:38:42,399 --> 02:38:44,720
those two side streets to right turns

4020
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:47,280
out only. Right? So if we say the left

4021
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:49,600
turns are really bad, let's restrict

4022
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,760
access, say no left turns and let's

4023
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:53,280
force everyone to take a right turn

4024
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:56,479
because those move more freely. Uh what

4025
02:38:56,479 --> 02:38:59,760
happens there? uh as we saw through uh

4026
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:02,399
evaluation is that we either end up

4027
02:39:02,399 --> 02:39:04,000
forcing U-turns where they probably

4028
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:06,319
shouldn't be forced, right? So if you

4029
02:39:06,319 --> 02:39:08,319
can no longer turn left out of say

4030
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:10,800
Walbrook Flats, uh you have to turn

4031
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:14,160
right and then somehow get your way back

4032
02:39:14,160 --> 02:39:17,439
west on Burlington Mills Road, right?

4033
02:39:17,439 --> 02:39:20,399
So, if drivers were turning right out of

4034
02:39:20,399 --> 02:39:22,720
Wahberg Flats and they want to go west,

4035
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:24,960
they'd then have to be making U-turns

4036
02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:27,040
down at Main Street. Uh, which that

4037
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:28,800
intersection for larger vehicles simply

4038
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:31,280
isn't really designed for it. Um, so we

4039
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:34,160
didn't feel that that was uh a a good

4040
02:39:34,160 --> 02:39:37,920
recommendation to make um in that sense.

4041
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:40,800
So, we eliminated that as well. Um, so

4042
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:43,680
where we landed was just to say we'll do

4043
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:45,920
nothing, which we understand shows high

4044
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:48,160
delays for the left turns, but again,

4045
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:50,560
what we're seeing is that it's only

4046
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:52,319
tripped in the morning when school is in

4047
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:54,000
session, right? That gets back to your

4048
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:57,760
point, Commissioner Paul, about uh the middle school and the middle school

4049
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:00,479
traffic. So, um it's really only a

4050
02:40:00,479 --> 02:40:02,880
condition in the morning. Um we don't

4051
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:05,200
really see that those level of delays

4052
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:08,960
for left turns uh in in the evening. Um,

4053
02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:12,880
and I would also like to say that uh so

4054
02:40:12,880 --> 02:40:15,040
Wal Wahber Flats only has one op one

4055
02:40:15,040 --> 02:40:18,080
option to come out. Uh, the neighborhood

4056
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:20,319
uh actually has other options. They can

4057
02:40:20,319 --> 02:40:23,439
go up to Main Street uh and make a right

4058
02:40:23,439 --> 02:40:25,520
turn out onto Main Street if they wanted

4059
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:27,600
to to go various places. So, the

4060
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:29,520
neighborhood does have options to go

4061
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,560
elsewhere if left turn delays are

4062
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:34,000
substantial and they don't feel like

4063
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:36,560
waiting to make a left turn.

4064
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:39,670
Any

4065
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:40,960
questions for Matt?

4066
02:40:40,960 --> 02:40:44,640
>> Matt, just

4067
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:47,760
I don't I don't want to come off um

4068
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:50,880
trying to tell you how to be engineer.

4069
02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:52,319
>> I know

4070
02:40:52,319 --> 02:40:52,720
>> good,

4071
02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:54,720
>> but I I think you're uh you're giving me

4072
02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:58,720
great engineer speak. I I Can you

4073
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,720
simplify it for me in in this capacity

4074
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:03,439
from this perspective? Excuse me.

4075
02:41:03,439 --> 02:41:06,240
I hear all the things that we cannot do,

4076
02:41:06,240 --> 02:41:09,040
but as an engineer, there is always a

4077
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:12,399
way and to improve something. So, do you

4078
02:41:12,399 --> 02:41:15,280
see just there's a better way from a

4079
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:17,439
traffic perspective that we can increase

4080
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:19,520
or decrease the pain of that

4081
02:41:19,520 --> 02:41:21,920
intersection outside of what the numbers

4082
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:23,920
and the data just in your gut, man. Tell

4083
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:26,240
me what you think.

4084
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:27,840
>> Well, well, in my professional opinion,

4085
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:29,760
I didn't recommend doing anything there.

4086
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:33,040
So, I I I see the best path as remaining

4087
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:34,960
as is for that for that specific

4088
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:35,920
intersection. Right.

4089
02:41:35,920 --> 02:41:36,560
>> Okay.

4090
02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:39,680
>> Um like I said, I I think if if the

4091
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:42,560
neighbors concern is long left turn

4092
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:45,280
delays, I think there's other options

4093
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:47,040
and alternate routes that that they can

4094
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:47,920
take.

4095
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:50,560
>> Um the other recommendations, uh

4096
02:41:50,560 --> 02:41:52,399
installing a signal or restricting left

4097
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:54,880
turns will cause second order effects

4098
02:41:54,880 --> 02:41:56,240
that I believe are worse than the

4099
02:41:56,240 --> 02:41:57,600
current condition.

4100
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:00,160
Well, if I recall correctly, and I may

4101
02:42:00,160 --> 02:42:04,399
be wrong, is we're really uh constrained

4102
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:07,600
to not allow an intersection to degrade

4103
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:10,399
from an E to an F. And that's what we

4104
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:12,560
have in at least one of them at one of

4105
02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:16,000
the peak periods. So, that goes against

4106
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:19,600
our LDO. I believe the B TOD there's an

4107
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:22,399
argument on that and I I appreciate some

4108
02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:24,960
of that is improved efficiency but when

4109
02:42:24,960 --> 02:42:27,600
you look at the time frames going from

4110
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:30,960
93 seconds to 144 I think is one of them

4111
02:42:30,960 --> 02:42:35,920
that Miss Kenyon so uh eloquently stated

4112
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:38,640
um that's a problem and we don't have a

4113
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:42,080
solution. I mean, a solution is make

4114
02:42:42,080 --> 02:42:44,640
Burlington Mills a fourlane to the west

4115
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:47,359
of the middle school. That's not a

4116
02:42:47,359 --> 02:42:48,960
viable option because no one wants to

4117
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:50,640
pay for it. I get that. But that's

4118
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:52,000
really what needs to happen.

4119
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:52,479
>> Right.

4120
02:42:52,479 --> 02:42:55,680
>> And that we need to look at that because

4121
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,479
we've got an untenable situation that

4122
02:42:58,479 --> 02:43:01,200
we're proposing with no solution.

4123
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:03,280
>> Right. Right. And to your point,

4124
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:05,040
Commissioner Paul, widening Burlington

4125
02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:06,880
Mills Road would alleviate a lot of that

4126
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:07,600
delay. It

4127
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:10,240
>> sure would. And I get it. That's not

4128
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:13,920
your anyone here's problem, but it is

4129
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:16,319
because that's creating the problem that

4130
02:43:16,319 --> 02:43:17,600
we're talking about.

4131
02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:18,960
>> Correct. I mean, what we're presenting

4132
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:20,720
is the study are the impacts associated

4133
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:22,640
with the development that's proposed,

4134
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:24,960
not a greater plan to alleviate traffic

4135
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:26,640
along Burlington Hills Road.

4136
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:26,960
>> Yep.

4137
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:29,520
>> I appreciate that, but it doesn't fix

4138
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:30,960
the problem that we're talking about

4139
02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:32,479
right now.

4140
02:43:32,479 --> 02:43:33,200
So

4141
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:35,920
>> which does get back to me just this

4142
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:38,960
narrative of is there another way to

4143
02:43:38,960 --> 02:43:40,720
alleviate the traffic? I mean beyond

4144
02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:42,640
what you stated, I I just I'm looking

4145
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:46,479
for ideas here to to really rattle in in

4146
02:43:46,479 --> 02:43:48,800
my head there's got to be another access

4147
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:51,120
way. If there's not, there's not. But

4148
02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:53,439
you know, if if you're saying that do

4149
02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:55,120
nothing is the best result and then

4150
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:57,840
we're going from a an an E to an F, that

4151
02:43:57,840 --> 02:43:59,760
just just seems like there's got to be

4152
02:43:59,760 --> 02:44:03,279
another way with this project. So what

4153
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:07,510
would

4154
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:08,720
ultimately you're saying that this is

4155
02:44:08,720 --> 02:44:10,240
it? This is the best of what you got. Is

4156
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:13,924
that what I'm hearing?

4157
02:44:13,934 --> 02:44:14,640
[clears throat]

4158
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:17,680
>> Um in in my professional opinion, having

4159
02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:20,319
done the evaluation uh with the

4160
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:22,880
constraints that we that we have, um

4161
02:44:22,880 --> 02:44:26,800
yes, I I would I would say so. Um, but

4162
02:44:26,800 --> 02:44:29,600
are are there potentially other options

4163
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:32,880
that would involve things that Wake Med

4164
02:44:32,880 --> 02:44:34,880
may not be able to commit to? That's

4165
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:36,240
always possible.

4166
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:37,840
>> I'd be interested in knowing what that

4167
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:41,359
would look like just on the table. Um,

4168
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:43,920
because it might be skin of the game

4169
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:46,160
that it could help with the the the

4170
02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:48,800
neighbors themselves and for us as well.

4171
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:50,960
No offense to the Wake Med team, but I

4172
02:44:50,960 --> 02:44:52,640
I'm just trying to think outside the box

4173
02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:54,560
in terms of eliminating where we can.

4174
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:56,240
So, thank you. I I will be interested in

4175
02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:58,240
knowing what that will look like uh as

4176
02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:02,150
well.

4177
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:05,439
» Any other questions for Matt?

4178
02:45:05,439 --> 02:45:06,080
>> Thank you, Matt.

4179
02:45:06,080 --> 02:45:06,560
>> Thank you.

4180
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:09,200
>> I hearing you. Um so th those are the

4181
02:45:09,200 --> 02:45:12,560
things I heard. So maybe uh maybe I'll

4182
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:14,960
call back the applicant. Uh you heard

4183
02:45:14,960 --> 02:45:19,200
the the deal with the the first

4184
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:21,840
condition where eliminating some usages

4185
02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:24,479
but not everything. I don't think you

4186
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:26,000
may not you may be more familiar with

4187
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:27,840
that than I am.

4188
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:33,200
>> Uh yeah, we did leave some uh uses u

4189
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:37,279
untouched. U so for instance uh bank use

4190
02:45:37,279 --> 02:45:39,120
would still be permitted. I'm just I'm

4191
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:42,160
reading this off so forgive me. um u

4192
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:44,160
commercial parking,

4193
02:45:44,160 --> 02:45:46,960
um eating establishment,

4194
02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:50,800
u event center,

4195
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:53,920
lodging is a special use,

4196
02:45:53,920 --> 02:45:56,960
um and a neighborhood size retail sales

4197
02:45:56,960 --> 02:46:01,120
and services. Um and then basically

4198
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:02,720
office and medical uses that you would

4199
02:46:02,720 --> 02:46:05,760
expect. So, dental facility, uh, medical

4200
02:46:05,760 --> 02:46:08,880
facility, hospital, hospital is a

4201
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:11,920
catchall within the within the LDO,

4202
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:13,680
basically any sort of medical services.

4203
02:46:13,680 --> 02:46:15,439
It doesn't necessarily mean a big point

4204
02:46:15,439 --> 02:46:18,560
hospital um and professional office and

4205
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:22,640
urgent care. So, those are the main ones that um are

4206
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:25,439
still permitted uh under zoning

4207
02:46:25,439 --> 02:46:28,000
conditions. And we would submit that um

4208
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:30,560
those are all fairly consistent with a

4209
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:32,880
you know if you had you know again this

4210
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:35,040
resoning only allows 40,000 square feet

4211
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:38,000
of non-residential period. So there's

4212
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:39,439
not a lot that can be done beyond what

4213
02:46:39,439 --> 02:46:42,880
we're proposing in terms of the ED.

4214
02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:44,880
We're we're sort of leaving some of the

4215
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:48,319
other uses on the table so that if if

4216
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:52,000
came back for more development with a

4217
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:54,800
larger plan at some point in the future

4218
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:57,920
that at that point some of those

4219
02:46:57,920 --> 02:47:00,000
additional uses could be on the table.

4220
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:01,680
you know, if you had a larger

4221
02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:04,160
development, whether it was, you know,

4222
02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:06,560
Rollsville Hospital or medical office

4223
02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:08,080
building, you would probably want some

4224
02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:10,319
of some of that other sort of types of

4225
02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:14,560
uses um within that development.

4226
02:47:14,560 --> 02:47:16,800
>> What about another TIA? Would that be

4227
02:47:16,800 --> 02:47:18,080
required?

4228
02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:20,720
>> Uh yes, another TIA would be require

4229
02:47:20,720 --> 02:47:22,160
presumably be required if it's triggered

4230
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:23,760
because again, we only have 40,000

4231
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:25,520
square feet. So if you if you were

4232
02:47:25,520 --> 02:47:28,640
upzzoning to allow for more uh more

4233
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:31,120
density and development then basically

4234
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:34,160
your uh the LDO would likely be

4235
02:47:34,160 --> 02:47:36,000
triggered. Again, you guys would do the

4236
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:39,200
analysis at that point, but this this

4237
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:41,760
was triggered and and the TIA did look

4238
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:45,680
at, again, not our plan, but uh staff

4239
02:47:45,680 --> 02:47:48,960
did ask that uh uh Matt and his team

4240
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:51,040
over at Stantech to look at uh

4241
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:53,840
development of up to 400,000 square feet

4242
02:47:53,840 --> 02:47:55,040
on the site. So, there's some

4243
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:57,200
information about that.

4244
02:47:57,200 --> 02:47:59,120
>> Does your client have access or option

4245
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:02,399
for the rest of the farm?

4246
02:48:02,399 --> 02:48:04,720
Uh, are you talking about the other 30

4247
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:05,279
acres?

4248
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:05,760
>> Yeah,

4249
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:09,750
>> we do not. No.

4250
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:11,439
» Mayor Kern,

4251
02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:15,600
>> just real real quick uh for Mr. Coleman,

4252
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:18,319
the if the if Wake Med needs to come

4253
02:48:18,319 --> 02:48:21,120
back for a reasonzoning anyway given the

4254
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:25,200
condition on the concept plan,

4255
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:26,880
>> what is the point of keeping anything

4256
02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:28,720
other than hospital? I'm not I'm not

4257
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:30,319
following the logic of that. If you

4258
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:33,200
limit it to hospital, then you clear the

4259
02:48:33,200 --> 02:48:35,359
special use permit text amendment very

4260
02:48:35,359 --> 02:48:37,520
clearly because now it's permitted.

4261
02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:37,840
>> Yeah.

4262
02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:39,359
>> And even though we normally write in the

4263
02:48:39,359 --> 02:48:41,920
negative for restrictions, it would seem

4264
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,640
to be clearer and cleaner for Wake Med

4265
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:46,960
to just say

4266
02:48:46,960 --> 02:48:49,760
limited to hospital. Then it's permitted

4267
02:48:49,760 --> 02:48:50,800
and you're going to have to come back

4268
02:48:50,800 --> 02:48:54,560
for a reasonzoning anyway.

4269
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,080
You're never going to be able to do the

4270
02:48:56,080 --> 02:48:58,560
other things unless wakeed flips this

4271
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,319
and turns it into a hotel site that

4272
02:49:00,319 --> 02:49:03,520
looks exactly like an ER,

4273
02:49:03,520 --> 02:49:07,439
which would be a really cool [laughter]

4274
02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:10,479
>> I'll let you um

4275
02:49:10,479 --> 02:49:15,359
I think the short answer is is that is again that I think what we were

4276
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:17,279
trying to think what we were trying to

4277
02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:19,200
do was

4278
02:49:19,200 --> 02:49:23,120
um both with this resoning say make it

4279
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:24,960
clear that this is for one use and one

4280
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:27,520
use only but not but also not make it a

4281
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:30,960
reasonzoning where it was so limited

4282
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:34,160
such that it was just you know in in

4283
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:36,560
sort of was solid cystic in looking at

4284
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:38,880
just that one use and so what the idea

4285
02:49:38,880 --> 02:49:41,920
was is that you know it's 30 acres at

4286
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:43,040
some point it may be something

4287
02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:44,640
additional and so we wanted to start at

4288
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:46,960
least building around in terms of the uh

4289
02:49:46,960 --> 02:49:49,439
the zoning entitlements as to what would

4290
02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:51,359
be what what could be permitted and what

4291
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:54,240
cannot again it all has to come back to

4292
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:57,120
the board. So, you know, if if if

4293
02:49:57,120 --> 02:49:58,960
something came back beyond the 40,000

4294
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:00,720
square feet, you know, what I would say

4295
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:02,160
in response to, you know, why don't you

4296
02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:05,200
just make it just a hospital use is,

4297
02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:07,279
>> you know, at that point, the same

4298
02:50:07,279 --> 02:50:09,760
conversation would be on the table. And,

4299
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:11,760
you know, the question of,

4300
02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:12,960
>> all right, we're concerned about this

4301
02:50:12,960 --> 02:50:15,359
use or that use could be addressed with

4302
02:50:15,359 --> 02:50:18,240
more information and more specific

4303
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:20,399
um knowledge about what might

4304
02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:24,160
additionally might be there.

4305
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:26,720
Is that an argument for addressing the

4306
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:28,240
concern and just limit it to hospital or

4307
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:29,120
an argument against?

4308
02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:31,520
>> Argument against

4309
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:31,680
it

4310
02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:33,520
>> sounds like he wants to to do you want

4311
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:35,680
to just leave them on the table for any

4312
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:37,760
possible future conversations that you

4313
02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:40,800
have. You know that okay I I can already

4314
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:42,640
I already have a bank

4315
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:44,720
>> in I believe you a bank was one of them.

4316
02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:48,080
Yes. um in the in the zoning so I can

4317
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:50,319
now approach banks with certainty that

4318
02:50:50,319 --> 02:50:52,479
this will be allowed instead of having

4319
02:50:52,479 --> 02:50:54,880
to come back later and ask and it

4320
02:50:54,880 --> 02:50:56,560
possibly be a no when you already have a

4321
02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:58,800
bank waiting. I think the more idea was

4322
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:02,880
is that that um that that this could be,

4323
02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:04,319
you know, if this ultimately were

4324
02:51:04,319 --> 02:51:08,160
developed for more than an ED and

4325
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:10,800
ultimately these are there would need to

4326
02:51:10,800 --> 02:51:14,080
be more than just a single set of uses

4327
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:17,520
as within the resoning. Again, whether

4328
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:19,439
and this is any zoning district, right?

4329
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:21,120
You don't have there's no zoning

4330
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:22,640
district in the town of Rollsville or

4331
02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:24,160
really anywhere else in the triangle

4332
02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:25,840
where it's like you have one use and one

4333
02:51:25,840 --> 02:51:28,960
use only. it create it can create issues

4334
02:51:28,960 --> 02:51:30,560
and so I think what we were trying to do

4335
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:33,040
was was be thoughtful about taking out

4336
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:34,880
the negative impacts taking out things

4337
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:38,000
that would undermine what we were what

4338
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:39,760
we we envisioned for the site so we

4339
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:41,760
didn't we were using the you know we

4340
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:45,600
used a zoning uh designation that is an

4341
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:47,200
imperfect fit but then we're trying to

4342
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:49,439
take out a lot of the uses that didn't

4343
02:51:49,439 --> 02:51:52,720
make sense next to be bington and try to

4344
02:51:52,720 --> 02:51:55,760
leave in some of the uses that play well

4345
02:51:55,760 --> 02:51:58,479
with a medical office or or other things

4346
02:51:58,479 --> 02:52:01,279
if if and if such things ever came to

4347
02:52:01,279 --> 02:52:02,399
pass.

4348
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:07,120
>> So to kind of go with the format that

4349
02:52:07,120 --> 02:52:09,520
attorney tells us we usually use. Did

4350
02:52:09,520 --> 02:52:11,120
you hear any not you want to take you

4351
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:12,479
want to take the bank out? You want to

4352
02:52:12,479 --> 02:52:14,000
take any of those out because we can

4353
02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:16,560
request and take those out.

4354
02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:21,359
>> Uh do you don't want to you want to take them out? We can

4355
02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:23,359
>> we just like I need to review the list

4356
02:52:23,359 --> 02:52:27,920
again like the full

4357
02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:30,319
>> full permitted list today was the

4358
02:52:30,319 --> 02:52:33,520
applicant is proposing.

4359
02:52:33,520 --> 02:52:37,840
>> I I guess my you you you said in case

4360
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:40,240
you want to do something else

4361
02:52:40,240 --> 02:52:42,479
but I I thought this is just going to be

4362
02:52:42,479 --> 02:52:45,120
ED and a health. So like what more else

4363
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:46,640
could you do if you're not going to do

4364
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:48,080
anything? this wig man is coming here

4365
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:49,520
and we're just going to do a hospital

4366
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:52,399
then I can't imagine it going beyond

4367
02:52:52,399 --> 02:52:55,439
other hospital health. Mhm.

4368
02:52:55,439 --> 02:52:58,240
>> So, I guess from I'm sorry, man. I'm I'm

4369
02:52:58,240 --> 02:53:00,080
too too logical sometimes. Please

4370
02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:02,720
forgive me. But if that's what it's

4371
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:05,200
going to be, how come we can't just call

4372
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:06,560
that out? You got to come back to tours

4373
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:07,040
anyway.

4374
02:53:07,040 --> 02:53:07,359
>> Mhm.

4375
02:53:07,359 --> 02:53:09,439
>> So, just make it easier for everyone in

4376
02:53:09,439 --> 02:53:12,319
my opinion. It just doesn't it's not

4377
02:53:12,319 --> 02:53:13,600
>> it just it just seems like something

4378
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:15,600
else is is kind of being talked about or

4379
02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:18,479
planned, you know, on the back end when

4380
02:53:18,479 --> 02:53:20,000
really what we're talking about here is

4381
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:22,800
just an ED. So

4382
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:24,640
>> why why would you not want to pull out

4383
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:28,389
all of those other provisions

4384
02:53:28,399 --> 02:53:31,040
» except for say medical, you know,

4385
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:37,359
physician offices, dentist offices, that makes sense. ER, but you know,

4386
02:53:37,359 --> 02:53:39,439
>> maybe an eating establishment. I I would

4387
02:53:39,439 --> 02:53:41,760
submit that. Well, you know, like

4388
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:43,359
something within I mean, I don't know. I

4389
02:53:43,359 --> 02:53:45,840
haven't talked to staff about

4390
02:53:45,840 --> 02:53:47,520
cafeteria within a within the building.

4391
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:47,840
That's

4392
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:49,200
>> But a cafeteria that's that's

4393
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:50,640
>> But wait a minute. Does it have to be on

4394
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:52,479
that list in order for it to be part of

4395
02:53:52,479 --> 02:53:54,640
the building if you had like

4396
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:55,600
>> No. Okay.

4397
02:53:55,600 --> 02:53:57,040
>> Those would all be accessory.

4398
02:53:57,040 --> 02:54:03,510
>> Oh,

4399
02:54:03,520 --> 02:54:04,960
» so I would point.

4400
02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:06,560
>> Are we discussing this amongst ourselves

4401
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:07,439
yet?

4402
02:54:07,439 --> 02:54:08,880
>> Oh, let's see what they're going to

4403
02:54:08,880 --> 02:54:13,269
propose.

4404
02:54:13,279 --> 02:54:15,200
» Um,

4405
02:54:15,200 --> 02:54:17,600
we're happy to to discuss that. We may

4406
02:54:17,600 --> 02:54:20,960
need a few minutes to discuss if if uh

4407
02:54:20,960 --> 02:54:22,319
if the council is willing to give us

4408
02:54:22,319 --> 02:54:23,680
that time. We obviously don't want to

4409
02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:25,359
waste your time. We recognize it's 9:30

4410
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:25,840
at night.

4411
02:54:25,840 --> 02:54:28,560
>> Well, and that's that's where because

4412
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:32,800
this might save a few minutes here

4413
02:54:32,800 --> 02:54:37,429
>> on the [clears throat]

4414
02:54:37,439 --> 02:54:41,040
uh we got a lot lot to cover tonight.

4415
02:54:41,040 --> 02:54:43,840
So, um, so decision can be made by the

4416
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:46,160
board if you want more information, if

4417
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:48,560
they need to collaborate or something.

4418
02:54:48,560 --> 02:54:50,640
>> Well, I I personally do not feel

4419
02:54:50,640 --> 02:54:52,240
comfortable approving this tonight

4420
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:55,040
without having the exact site plans,

4421
02:54:55,040 --> 02:54:56,880
seeing the ambulance bay moved and

4422
02:54:56,880 --> 02:55:00,720
knowing what conditions the um lay on

4423
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:02,960
the west side of of the land, you know,

4424
02:55:02,960 --> 02:55:06,800
about pushing the the the um facility as

4425
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:09,279
far away as possible. So to be honest,

4426
02:55:09,279 --> 02:55:11,200
you know, until I want to see those

4427
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:13,520
things in concrete writing because just

4428
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:17,680
as as um Dave mentioned earlier, if we

4429
02:55:17,680 --> 02:55:20,319
approve it now, well, that that's what

4430
02:55:20,319 --> 02:55:23,200
we're approving. So, I am not

4431
02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:24,800
comfortable

4432
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:27,439
moving forward with the resoning tonight

4433
02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:31,279
until and and to their own um comments,

4434
02:55:31,279 --> 02:55:34,240
it would take about 30 maybe 60 days to

4435
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:35,920
finalize,

4436
02:55:35,920 --> 02:55:38,000
you know, all of the soil tests and

4437
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:40,479
seeing if they where they could feasibly

4438
02:55:40,479 --> 02:55:44,240
move the facility to. So, within that

4439
02:55:44,240 --> 02:55:45,680
amount of time, then that would give

4440
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:47,439
time to review the other prohibited

4441
02:55:47,439 --> 02:55:50,399
uses. Other

4442
02:55:50,399 --> 02:55:52,399
comments? No,

4443
02:55:52,399 --> 02:55:57,750
>> I agree.

4444
02:55:57,760 --> 02:56:01,510
Um,

4445
02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:04,080
they have to request the continuation of

4446
02:56:04,080 --> 02:56:06,560
we just we can just use the motion. We

4447
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:08,160
can just use the motion ourselves, can't

4448
02:56:08,160 --> 02:56:09,680
we?

4449
02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:11,279
>> The board can always continue.

4450
02:56:11,279 --> 02:56:18,630
>> Yeah. Um, anybody object to continuing?

4451
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:20,640
Good.

4452
02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:22,319
>> On your benefit.

4453
02:56:22,319 --> 02:56:24,560
>> But you guys heard heard the

4454
02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:27,760
commissioners, you know, ask they ask

4455
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:29,760
for some things.

4456
02:56:29,760 --> 02:56:31,279
>> Um

4457
02:56:31,279 --> 02:56:33,680
a better site plan on the location of

4458
02:56:33,680 --> 02:56:35,359
the building. I think

4459
02:56:35,359 --> 02:56:38,399
>> more information on um

4460
02:56:38,399 --> 02:56:40,479
>> putting the ambulance bay as far apart.

4461
02:56:40,479 --> 02:56:40,960
>> Yeah.

4462
02:56:40,960 --> 02:56:44,720
>> Um prohibited uses. And I think that

4463
02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:49,120
motion that that first that first uh

4464
02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:51,200
that first condition really look hard at

4465
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:52,880
that. I think that was one of the things

4466
02:56:52,880 --> 02:56:53,680
that

4467
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:55,520
>> I you know again I don't think we're

4468
02:56:55,520 --> 02:56:57,200
going to be in a position until we get

4469
02:56:57,200 --> 02:56:59,680
to site plan to be able to say exactly

4470
02:56:59,680 --> 02:57:01,040
where the building's going to move. I

4471
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:02,720
think it's going to be an addition of a

4472
02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:04,640
sentence to condition number two which

4473
02:57:04,640 --> 02:57:06,000
has already been outlined by the town

4474
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:09,359
attorney. Um and I think is ready for

4475
02:57:09,359 --> 02:57:11,439
prime. you know, you guys obviously make

4476
02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:13,279
the decision, but that's that's where we

4477
02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:14,640
are. We're not going to we're not going

4478
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:16,240
to have the information, all the

4479
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:18,399
information ready

4480
02:57:18,399 --> 02:57:21,279
um to to create an updated concept plan

4481
02:57:21,279 --> 02:57:24,640
in say two weeks or four weeks. Um and

4482
02:57:24,640 --> 02:57:26,399
we and it this is this is something

4483
02:57:26,399 --> 02:57:27,920
we're we're trying to get done as soon

4484
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:28,800
as possible. So,

4485
02:57:28,800 --> 02:57:30,319
>> we understand that, but we are also

4486
02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:33,040
trying to protect the interests of the

4487
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:35,200
people that do live in Bington. And if

4488
02:57:35,200 --> 02:57:37,359
it's going to take another 30 to 60 days

4489
02:57:37,359 --> 02:57:39,040
for you guys to determine that, I would

4490
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:41,279
rather that happen before we gave a con

4491
02:57:41,279 --> 02:57:43,840
a conditional approval on this project,

4492
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:47,840
that may have some more um

4493
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:49,920
major issues involved if you can't get

4494
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:51,520
it done the way that that we're looking

4495
02:57:51,520 --> 02:57:54,000
to see this project,

4496
02:57:54,000 --> 02:57:57,200
you know, be completed. So

4497
02:57:57,200 --> 02:57:59,439
I I in the grand scheme of things, 30 to

4498
02:57:59,439 --> 02:58:01,920
60 days does not seem

4499
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:04,640
like a long time to be able to ensure

4500
02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:06,640
these neighbors here that we're doing

4501
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:08,240
our best to try to make sure that this

4502
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:10,319
is moved as far to the west and the

4503
02:58:10,319 --> 02:58:13,520
ambulance bay moved plus making sure

4504
02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:15,680
that we're not going to get any surprise

4505
02:58:15,680 --> 02:58:17,600
development going on in the back end of

4506
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:18,960
this property that has not been

4507
02:58:18,960 --> 02:58:22,080
discussed with this project thus far.

4508
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:25,520
So, there's three conditions there. And

4509
02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:27,760
I for one am not If you want me to vote

4510
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:29,279
tonight, then you're not going to like

4511
02:58:29,279 --> 02:58:31,200
my my vote if that's what you're going

4512
02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:33,760
to push me to do.

4513
02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:37,520
I thought Dave, your language took care

4514
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:41,439
of the issue of the hospital being moved

4515
02:58:41,439 --> 02:58:44,399
west and

4516
02:58:44,399 --> 02:58:45,840
>> north north and west.

4517
02:58:45,840 --> 02:58:48,000
>> Uh, Commissioner Se probably not. it it

4518
02:58:48,000 --> 02:58:50,800
allows them to move. Currently, the the

4519
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:52,560
way the concept plan condition is

4520
02:58:52,560 --> 02:58:55,120
written, it commits an applicant when

4521
02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:57,600
they submit a concept plan to build

4522
02:58:57,600 --> 02:58:58,960
things the way they show you they're

4523
02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:00,399
going to build things. Yes. Otherwise,

4524
02:59:00,399 --> 02:59:02,319
it's just a story.

4525
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:04,160
>> Uh and that certainly is something

4526
02:59:04,160 --> 02:59:05,680
that's happened in the history of zoning

4527
02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:08,160
law. You see pretty pictures. They're

4528
02:59:08,160 --> 02:59:10,160
not a commitment. So, if there's a

4529
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:12,080
commitment to a concept plan, the

4530
02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:13,760
expectation is that they're committing

4531
02:59:13,760 --> 02:59:16,319
to that plan. And the language we use

4532
02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:18,399
allows minor adjustments to those

4533
02:59:18,399 --> 02:59:19,279
committed elements.

4534
02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:20,880
>> Got it.

4535
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:22,960
>> When we think minor adjustments under

4536
02:59:22,960 --> 02:59:27,920
160D, we probably don't think about what

4537
02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:30,960
is being proposed as hopefully what Wake

4538
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:32,319
Med can achieve.

4539
02:59:32,319 --> 02:59:34,560
>> So we want to open we want to provide

4540
02:59:34,560 --> 02:59:36,399
some flexibility

4541
02:59:36,399 --> 02:59:38,080
so that something that would help the

4542
02:59:38,080 --> 02:59:40,640
neighbors isn't something that the staff

4543
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:42,399
is forced to say no, you can't do.

4544
02:59:42,399 --> 02:59:42,720
>> Yeah,

4545
02:59:42,720 --> 02:59:43,600
>> that would have been a terrible

4546
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:45,040
situation. And that's all I was trying

4547
02:59:45,040 --> 02:59:45,680
to get to.

4548
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:50,230
>> Okay.

4549
02:59:50,240 --> 02:59:52,080
» I mean, if if the issue, you know,

4550
02:59:52,080 --> 02:59:53,760
again, I'll be really frank with you. If

4551
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:57,760
the issue is that that we need to

4552
02:59:57,760 --> 03:00:00,399
severely cut back the permitted uses and

4553
03:00:00,399 --> 03:00:02,080
I can have five minutes with my client,

4554
03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:03,439
I can probably come back with an answer

4555
03:00:03,439 --> 03:00:07,520
on that tonight. But, you know, again,

4556
03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:11,520
the I think our concern is is that um

4557
03:00:11,520 --> 03:00:13,680
asking for more and more and more detail

4558
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:17,600
on a concept plan is is is frankly

4559
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:19,120
getting into site planning issues that

4560
03:00:19,120 --> 03:00:21,279
we think can be addressed at site

4561
03:00:21,279 --> 03:00:22,240
planning and doesn't need to be

4562
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:23,040
addressed at this point.

4563
03:00:23,040 --> 03:00:24,240
>> Well, you already heard what Dave said

4564
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:25,760
and I don't agree with that. I want to

4565
03:00:25,760 --> 03:00:28,319
know exactly where this is going to land

4566
03:00:28,319 --> 03:00:30,479
>> before I give my approval on anything.

4567
03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:31,920
The other part of that, Commissioner

4568
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:34,399
Bernett, is talking about flipping the

4569
03:00:34,399 --> 03:00:38,560
building and putting the ambulance uh

4570
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:40,560
station on the west side where it's

4571
03:00:40,560 --> 03:00:42,479
currently on the east side and moving it

4572
03:00:42,479 --> 03:00:45,120
north and west. That is a site plan

4573
03:00:45,120 --> 03:00:48,399
issue that uh your current one doesn't

4574
03:00:48,399 --> 03:00:52,160
accommodate those modifications. So,

4575
03:00:52,160 --> 03:00:54,160
>> well, I I mean it that's that's what

4576
03:00:54,160 --> 03:00:55,760
we're hearing now. I I'll tell you

4577
03:00:55,760 --> 03:00:57,359
frankly, we've had conversations where

4578
03:00:57,359 --> 03:00:59,120
we were given different indications than

4579
03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:01,040
what we're hearing today. But but that

4580
03:01:01,040 --> 03:01:02,640
all that to be said, we're happy to add

4581
03:01:02,640 --> 03:01:04,080
the language that has been suggested by

4582
03:01:04,080 --> 03:01:06,479
the town attorney to to address that

4583
03:01:06,479 --> 03:01:09,120
very concern because we you know, we we

4584
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:11,840
have been working towards trying to

4585
03:01:11,840 --> 03:01:14,479
address all these issues for for months.

4586
03:01:14,479 --> 03:01:16,720
And you know, while we can't give you

4587
03:01:16,720 --> 03:01:19,760
definitive answers now, we are committed

4588
03:01:19,760 --> 03:01:22,479
to addressing these very concerns.

4589
03:01:22,479 --> 03:01:24,560
um recognize that that is sort of an

4590
03:01:24,560 --> 03:01:27,120
unusual position to be in. Uh but it is

4591
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:29,600
the position we are we are in. And

4592
03:01:29,600 --> 03:01:32,000
again, if if if

4593
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:35,439
this board can look to look at us making

4594
03:01:35,439 --> 03:01:37,200
changes the changes recommended by the

4595
03:01:37,200 --> 03:01:39,840
town attorney and is willing to give us

4596
03:01:39,840 --> 03:01:42,399
a few minutes to discuss whether we can

4597
03:01:42,399 --> 03:01:44,160
further, you know, whether we can

4598
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:46,560
address the uh board's concerns related

4599
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:51,439
to um the uses. Um I think we could have

4600
03:01:51,439 --> 03:01:53,359
we have something free today as opposed

4601
03:01:53,359 --> 03:01:54,880
to having to wait four or six weeks

4602
03:01:54,880 --> 03:01:57,120
because again my my main concern is is

4603
03:01:57,120 --> 03:02:00,240
that we're going to get pushed out and

4604
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:02,000
we're not going to have, you know, other

4605
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:04,560
than maybe moving a box around, we're

4606
03:02:04,560 --> 03:02:05,600
not going to have a whole lot of

4607
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:07,680
additional answers on specifics on

4608
03:02:07,680 --> 03:02:08,880
exactly where's the building going to

4609
03:02:08,880 --> 03:02:10,560
be, how is it going to be than what we

4610
03:02:10,560 --> 03:02:13,750
have today.

4611
03:02:13,760 --> 03:02:15,840
» So Dave, what do we need on the concept

4612
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:18,800
plan?

4613
03:02:18,800 --> 03:02:20,560
>> Concept plan is not a requirement. There

4614
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:22,399
doesn't have to be that condition at

4615
03:02:22,399 --> 03:02:24,080
all.

4616
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:25,760
The concept plan is something that was

4617
03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:27,680
tendered by the applicant that commits

4618
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:29,200
them to building what they showed you in

4619
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:30,880
the picture.

4620
03:02:30,880 --> 03:02:33,120
However, what they've promised you is we

4621
03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:35,040
promise we won't we won't build you what

4622
03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:36,319
we've shown you in the picture. We're

4623
03:02:36,319 --> 03:02:37,760
going to build something different than

4624
03:02:37,760 --> 03:02:41,279
that that's better, but we don't know

4625
03:02:41,279 --> 03:02:42,479
exactly where.

4626
03:02:42,479 --> 03:02:44,960
>> Right. So I was trying to save the

4627
03:02:44,960 --> 03:02:47,680
condition to allow it to get as good as

4628
03:02:47,680 --> 03:02:49,439
it might be able to get if that's what

4629
03:02:49,439 --> 03:02:52,319
WakeD wanted to do in the future because

4630
03:02:52,319 --> 03:02:54,960
otherwise the staff which can only

4631
03:02:54,960 --> 03:02:57,120
follow the ordinance is forced to tell

4632
03:02:57,120 --> 03:02:59,439
the applicant no. You have to build in

4633
03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:01,200
the place that angers the neighbors the

4634
03:03:01,200 --> 03:03:04,399
most which then causes the elected

4635
03:03:04,399 --> 03:03:06,080
officials to be very unhappy with the

4636
03:03:06,080 --> 03:03:11,349
staff and the town attorney.

4637
03:03:11,359 --> 03:03:13,279
But the condition doesn't

4638
03:03:13,279 --> 03:03:16,000
>> doesn't force them to do what we're

4639
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:18,000
talking about.

4640
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:19,840
>> The the challenge is it is hard to write

4641
03:03:19,840 --> 03:03:22,640
an ordinance that says the applicant

4642
03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:25,840
shall move it to the west or to the

4643
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:28,640
northwest as far as they practically can

4644
03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:32,319
after they find out how far that is.

4645
03:03:32,319 --> 03:03:34,560
Something something blah blah. It's hard

4646
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:39,910
to I don't know what that is.

4647
03:03:39,920 --> 03:03:43,520
So, where are we at? Um, I think Jan is

4648
03:03:43,520 --> 03:03:45,359
asking for a continuation. I'm not sure

4649
03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:47,040
if the board wants to continue this or

4650
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:54,560
not. Um, where we at? Um, what's the um

4651
03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:55,840
consensity of the board?

4652
03:03:55,840 --> 03:03:57,439
>> I think at this point that's the best

4653
03:03:57,439 --> 03:03:59,920
option.

4654
03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:02,479
Continuence.

4655
03:04:02,479 --> 03:04:04,640
>> Agree. All right. I would need a motion

4656
03:04:04,640 --> 03:04:08,560
for that. Uh, I motion to continue res

4657
03:04:08,560 --> 03:04:11,600
25-06 waked to a future town board

4658
03:04:11,600 --> 03:04:13,439
meeting.

4659
03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:14,880
Uh,

4660
03:04:14,880 --> 03:04:15,920
>> we ought to have a date.

4661
03:04:15,920 --> 03:04:17,040
>> Christie,

4662
03:04:17,040 --> 03:04:19,359
>> October 8th,

4663
03:04:19,359 --> 03:04:21,520
November 5th. I didn't know if September

4664
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:23,760
1st would be too soon based on

4665
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:28,630
discussion.

4666
03:04:28,640 --> 03:04:32,790
» I don't know. September 1st.

4667
03:04:32,800 --> 03:04:35,600
I mean I I would say October 8th and if

4668
03:04:35,600 --> 03:04:37,200
Wake Med is not ready to come forward

4669
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:38,720
with the conditions that we've asked

4670
03:04:38,720 --> 03:04:40,960
then they can ask for um to move it to a

4671
03:04:40,960 --> 03:04:53,269
later date.

4672
03:04:53,279 --> 03:04:56,319
Um, how does that fit our schedule?

4673
03:04:56,319 --> 03:04:57,200
Eric,

4674
03:04:57,200 --> 03:04:59,200
>> October,

4675
03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:02,000
>> Christie,

4676
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:05,200
>> I would say October 8th. And

4677
03:05:05,200 --> 03:05:07,040
>> how does that fit our schedule?

4678
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:10,720
>> Um, October, November 5th.

4679
03:05:10,720 --> 03:05:13,439
>> They look good.

4680
03:05:13,439 --> 03:05:15,359
>> And you you wouldn't be ready by

4681
03:05:15,359 --> 03:05:19,200
September 1st, I thought, would you?

4682
03:05:19,200 --> 03:05:20,319
That's it in two weeks.

4683
03:05:20,319 --> 03:05:22,479
>> I'm asking

4684
03:05:22,479 --> 03:05:38,870
>> two weeks.

4685
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:40,640
» We would obviously we would prefer

4686
03:05:40,640 --> 03:05:41,680
September 1st.

4687
03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:42,160
>> Okay.

4688
03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:43,359
>> Are you going to be able to have those

4689
03:05:43,359 --> 03:05:45,359
answers that I've I've asked? because

4690
03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:47,279
I'm being told 30 to 60 days before you

4691
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:49,439
finish the soil compositions. If it

4692
03:05:49,439 --> 03:05:51,279
brings us right back to this same place,

4693
03:05:51,279 --> 03:05:53,279
then it it I I know for myself it won't

4694
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:55,200
be a favorable vote. If you cannot

4695
03:05:55,200 --> 03:05:56,560
provide me with the information that I'm

4696
03:05:56,560 --> 03:05:58,479
asking for tonight and you want two more

4697
03:05:58,479 --> 03:06:00,160
weeks,

4698
03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:02,800
just don't bother unless you can answer

4699
03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:07,030
those questions that I proposed.

4700
03:06:07,040 --> 03:06:10,240
» Okay? If you want September 1st, great.

4701
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:12,319
Make it happen. I suggest you get the

4702
03:06:12,319 --> 03:06:13,920
engineers out there and start digging in

4703
03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:15,120
the dirt to make sure that you get the

4704
03:06:15,120 --> 03:06:18,000
answers that are needed

4705
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:19,279
>> because otherwise it's just going to be

4706
03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:20,880
wasting our time again if you don't have

4707
03:06:20,880 --> 03:06:23,680
those questions answered

4708
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:25,680
>> and I would hope if they don't have them

4709
03:06:25,680 --> 03:06:27,760
they will ask for a further continuence

4710
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:28,399
before

4711
03:06:28,399 --> 03:06:30,560
>> precise before the meeting comes about.

4712
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:33,279
>> Yes. I mean again some of these some of

4713
03:06:33,279 --> 03:06:35,120
the some of the questions I want to I

4714
03:06:35,120 --> 03:06:37,040
want to make clear the exact location of

4715
03:06:37,040 --> 03:06:38,880
the building is not going to be

4716
03:06:38,880 --> 03:06:41,359
determined in any concept plan. It is

4717
03:06:41,359 --> 03:06:43,760
not I think I want to say it again. I've

4718
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:44,800
said it before but I want to say it

4719
03:06:44,800 --> 03:06:47,359
again. We will try to address it as best

4720
03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:49,200
we can

4721
03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:52,319
uh likely mainly with the language

4722
03:06:52,319 --> 03:06:54,880
suggested by your attorney. Um, and we

4723
03:06:54,880 --> 03:06:55,600
may look

4724
03:06:55,600 --> 03:06:56,720
>> we were already told that it was going

4725
03:06:56,720 --> 03:06:59,359
to take 30 maybe up to 60 days to get

4726
03:06:59,359 --> 03:07:01,840
that finalized soil report with knowing

4727
03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:04,160
where the granite is and where it isn't.

4728
03:07:04,160 --> 03:07:06,720
So, what is it? Is it 30 to 60 days? Is

4729
03:07:06,720 --> 03:07:10,800
it is it is it 6 months? What is it?

4730
03:07:10,800 --> 03:07:12,479
>> Hold on. Hold on. Let's let's kind of

4731
03:07:12,479 --> 03:07:15,279
settle down a little bit. Um,

4732
03:07:15,279 --> 03:07:19,920
I think what Dave is saying is the site

4733
03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:23,439
plan has to be where there's minimum,

4734
03:07:23,439 --> 03:07:25,439
and he he's right. Over the years, it's

4735
03:07:25,439 --> 03:07:27,359
hard to describe what minimum

4736
03:07:27,359 --> 03:07:29,359
jurisdiction the planning department has

4737
03:07:29,359 --> 03:07:32,160
for a site plan adjustments. It doesn't

4738
03:07:32,160 --> 03:07:33,760
have to be exact, but I think what he's

4739
03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:36,560
saying is too far off today,

4740
03:07:36,560 --> 03:07:39,040
>> right? It's too far off today. So, it's

4741
03:07:39,040 --> 03:07:41,600
just a matter of flip. Somebody used the

4742
03:07:41,600 --> 03:07:43,200
term flip-flop. Just a matter of

4743
03:07:43,200 --> 03:07:44,319
flip-flopping everything.

4744
03:07:44,319 --> 03:07:45,760
>> That's for the ambulance bay.

4745
03:07:45,760 --> 03:07:47,840
>> Yeah. And you don't need you don't they

4746
03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:49,600
don't really need so bowling to do that.

4747
03:07:49,600 --> 03:07:50,560
No.

4748
03:07:50,560 --> 03:07:52,720
>> But I think what you maybe you two get

4749
03:07:52,720 --> 03:07:54,880
together and you describe what you know

4750
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:57,359
min what you call it minimum minimum

4751
03:07:57,359 --> 03:07:58,479
adjustments or whatever.

4752
03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:00,399
>> It it is my understanding that the

4753
03:08:00,399 --> 03:08:02,960
applicant is telling us today that 150

4754
03:08:02,960 --> 03:08:05,920
foot minimum is the most they can safely

4755
03:08:05,920 --> 03:08:08,880
commit to and that's where the applicant

4756
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:11,600
has told us they are.

4757
03:08:11,600 --> 03:08:13,680
I believe that we're also hearing two

4758
03:08:13,680 --> 03:08:15,600
different things based upon that was

4759
03:08:15,600 --> 03:08:17,359
something was mentioned by the architect

4760
03:08:17,359 --> 03:08:19,439
that implied that geotech would be back

4761
03:08:19,439 --> 03:08:23,439
in 30 to 60 days and that implied that

4762
03:08:23,439 --> 03:08:25,920
at the end of that time there would be

4763
03:08:25,920 --> 03:08:29,200
knowledge that would allow the 150 ft to

4764
03:08:29,200 --> 03:08:30,800
be increased.

4765
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:31,200
>> Awesome.

4766
03:08:31,200 --> 03:08:33,680
>> That could be a significant change to

4767
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:36,080
their conditions.

4768
03:08:36,080 --> 03:08:39,200
And I'm this is me guessing based upon

4769
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:42,080
what I heard. None of this is going to

4770
03:08:42,080 --> 03:08:44,560
matter in terms of a condition that can

4771
03:08:44,560 --> 03:08:47,200
be written other than either increasing

4772
03:08:47,200 --> 03:08:49,600
the 150 to some other number because

4773
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:52,399
there's now a greater safety margin on

4774
03:08:52,399 --> 03:08:55,040
the west or the northwest that could be

4775
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:56,960
rewritten as a legally enforceable

4776
03:08:56,960 --> 03:09:00,720
minimum or uh enough time has passed

4777
03:09:00,720 --> 03:09:02,479
such that they've essentially written a

4778
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:05,520
new sketch plan that provides them

4779
03:09:05,520 --> 03:09:07,359
functional knowledge as to where it's

4780
03:09:07,359 --> 03:09:09,680
practically going to be such that the

4781
03:09:09,680 --> 03:09:11,760
only movement is going be plus or minus

4782
03:09:11,760 --> 03:09:15,920
10 or 20 feet anywhere. That would be a

4783
03:09:15,920 --> 03:09:17,600
minor adjustment that gets approved by

4784
03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:19,600
staff or a field condition that's

4785
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:21,040
approved by staff and that's allowed

4786
03:09:21,040 --> 03:09:23,760
under our LDO. Th those things don't

4787
03:09:23,760 --> 03:09:26,319
come back to the board when it's a

4788
03:09:26,319 --> 03:09:28,240
meaningless field adjustment. The road

4789
03:09:28,240 --> 03:09:30,319
isn't exactly like this. It's a little

4790
03:09:30,319 --> 03:09:32,399
bit like this, but honestly, if two

4791
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:34,160
people were to look at it, they would

4792
03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:36,800
not be able to tell. That's a minor

4793
03:09:36,800 --> 03:09:41,279
adjustment. But we're also talking about

4794
03:09:41,279 --> 03:09:43,760
moving the ambulance bay from the east

4795
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:45,760
side to the west side.

4796
03:09:45,760 --> 03:09:47,920
>> Sounds like it is unlikely, based upon

4797
03:09:47,920 --> 03:09:51,840
what we've heard, it is unlikely that knowledge will be in something that

4798
03:09:51,840 --> 03:09:54,080
the applicant would commit to in 60

4799
03:09:54,080 --> 03:09:56,000
days.

4800
03:09:56,000 --> 03:09:57,439
>> Is that accurate?

4801
03:09:57,439 --> 03:09:59,200
>> Is that true? the

4802
03:09:59,200 --> 03:10:00,800
>> I'll be honest, I'll be honest with you.

4803
03:10:00,800 --> 03:10:03,439
The what what your town attorney is

4804
03:10:03,439 --> 03:10:05,600
saying is completely different from the

4805
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:08,000
guidance we received from staff as to

4806
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:10,720
what what is what is flexible and what

4807
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:12,880
is not. And so part of what we're going

4808
03:10:12,880 --> 03:10:15,760
to have to do is figure out what we are

4809
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:18,399
comfortable providing you to ensure that

4810
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:20,880
we're addressing your concerns, but also

4811
03:10:20,880 --> 03:10:22,880
not getting caught up in some confusion

4812
03:10:22,880 --> 03:10:24,960
within town hall about what's allowed

4813
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:27,680
and what's not. And so I can give you

4814
03:10:27,680 --> 03:10:29,279
some answers, but frankly I don't have

4815
03:10:29,279 --> 03:10:31,040
all the answers because I what I thought

4816
03:10:31,040 --> 03:10:33,840
I knew when I walked in here is

4817
03:10:33,840 --> 03:10:38,000
different than what is being told to you

4818
03:10:38,000 --> 03:10:39,680
what I'm hearing right now.

4819
03:10:39,680 --> 03:10:41,600
>> I'm sorry that confusion has happened.

4820
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:42,479
>> Yeah. So

4821
03:10:42,479 --> 03:10:44,319
>> So what you're saying is the plan

4822
03:10:44,319 --> 03:10:46,000
department and attorney is not on the

4823
03:10:46,000 --> 03:10:48,000
same page.

4824
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:51,680
>> I that is that you know I I don't want

4825
03:10:51,680 --> 03:10:53,520
to say anything. All I'm saying is is

4826
03:10:53,520 --> 03:10:54,960
that we had a different understanding

4827
03:10:54,960 --> 03:10:56,880
coming in. I don't want to say anything

4828
03:10:56,880 --> 03:11:00,000
about who did what because, you know,

4829
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:03,760
we're all human. Um but um we will

4830
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:07,520
endeavor um to use our time wisely to

4831
03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:09,279
address to address the issues and

4832
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:11,120
concerns. We hear you loud and clear.

4833
03:11:11,120 --> 03:11:13,279
We're not trying to hide the ball. We're

4834
03:11:13,279 --> 03:11:16,720
just trying to be responsible and and recognizing this is an iterative

4835
03:11:16,720 --> 03:11:18,960
process. The concept plan is not the

4836
03:11:18,960 --> 03:11:22,160
step the site plan. So what I'm trying

4837
03:11:22,160 --> 03:11:24,000
to do is make sure that and I think this

4838
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:26,240
is frankly what what uh town attorney

4839
03:11:26,240 --> 03:11:28,000
Neil is trying to do is make sure that

4840
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:31,279
the concept plan doesn't create a box

4841
03:11:31,279 --> 03:11:33,600
that this development can't get out of.

4842
03:11:33,600 --> 03:11:34,319
>> Y

4843
03:11:34,319 --> 03:11:37,520
>> and so I think being sensitive to that

4844
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:40,399
and and I think the perfectly good I I

4845
03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:42,240
me saying what I said is not in any way

4846
03:11:42,240 --> 03:11:45,920
criticism of anybody on staff. is rather

4847
03:11:45,920 --> 03:11:47,760
it is a develop you know a developing

4848
03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:49,760
knowledge uh knowledge and understanding

4849
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:51,359
and I think it'll allow us to all be

4850
03:11:51,359 --> 03:11:53,200
more comfortable that we've provided

4851
03:11:53,200 --> 03:11:55,439
what we can figure out how to provide

4852
03:11:55,439 --> 03:11:57,359
the commitments we can because I think

4853
03:11:57,359 --> 03:12:02,880
what we're ultimately talking about is how do we give you more of a sense of

4854
03:12:02,880 --> 03:12:05,520
what is the you know sort of do dash

4855
03:12:05,520 --> 03:12:08,560
dotted line where this building will be

4856
03:12:08,560 --> 03:12:10,479
and where where are the things that we

4857
03:12:10,479 --> 03:12:13,120
can address or give some some

4858
03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:14,640
information on that are of concern to

4859
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:16,399
neighbors. Specifically, for instance,

4860
03:12:16,399 --> 03:12:18,720
the ambulance drop off zone. Can that be

4861
03:12:18,720 --> 03:12:20,560
on the west? Can we say can we either

4862
03:12:20,560 --> 03:12:22,640
with a condition or something else say

4863
03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:24,960
this will be on the western side of the

4864
03:12:24,960 --> 03:12:26,640
building? Again, some of that is

4865
03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:29,040
complicated by the fact that as as Tom

4866
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,200
Cavender said, they don't even know

4867
03:12:31,200 --> 03:12:32,560
quite what the orientation of the

4868
03:12:32,560 --> 03:12:34,800
building is going to be, right? So

4869
03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:37,680
that's where that's why I was I wasn't

4870
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:40,160
when I said there's some of the stuff

4871
03:12:40,160 --> 03:12:41,920
that we can't completely do whether it's

4872
03:12:41,920 --> 03:12:43,840
in 30 or 60 days. It's not because we

4873
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:46,000
won't have the geotech information. It's

4874
03:12:46,000 --> 03:12:47,760
because you've got architects, geotech,

4875
03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:48,720
you know, you've got all these things

4876
03:12:48,720 --> 03:12:51,040
being layered on top of each other. And

4877
03:12:51,040 --> 03:12:53,920
so I think it's just us figuring trying

4878
03:12:53,920 --> 03:12:56,000
to be as thoughtful and smart in

4879
03:12:56,000 --> 03:12:58,399
collaboration with again your really

4880
03:12:58,399 --> 03:13:00,080
good staff.

4881
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:01,359
How do we do that in a way that

4882
03:13:01,359 --> 03:13:03,120
addresses your concerns, addresses the

4883
03:13:03,120 --> 03:13:05,920
neighborhood's very valid concerns, and

4884
03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:08,720
ensures that we all have appropriate

4885
03:13:08,720 --> 03:13:12,000
flexibility so that what we think is the

4886
03:13:12,000 --> 03:13:15,279
right way to go in a concept plan when

4887
03:13:15,279 --> 03:13:17,840
we realize maybe we need to make tweaks

4888
03:13:17,840 --> 03:13:21,200
in the site plan, when I say we, I mean

4889
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:25,200
the sort of editorial we everybody um we

4890
03:13:25,200 --> 03:13:27,840
have the flexibility to do that. And so

4891
03:13:27,840 --> 03:13:29,760
that's I think what I'm taking out of

4892
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:32,080
this. Understand the desire to reduce

4893
03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:34,560
the uses. Understand the desire to

4894
03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:38,399
address the ambulance area and the the

4895
03:13:38,399 --> 03:13:40,399
building location. And we'll look for

4896
03:13:40,399 --> 03:13:41,920
the best ways to do that. And there's

4897
03:13:41,920 --> 03:13:43,600
some really smart people that are going

4898
03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:46,080
to have to tell me how to do that. So

4899
03:13:46,080 --> 03:13:48,319
>> okay. So are you still good with

4900
03:13:48,319 --> 03:13:49,279
September 1st?

4901
03:13:49,279 --> 03:13:50,640
>> September 1st is our preference. Yes.

4902
03:13:50,640 --> 03:13:52,560
>> Okay. So you know if you ask you need a

4903
03:13:52,560 --> 03:13:54,319
delay, you can ask the through the

4904
03:13:54,319 --> 03:13:55,359
planning department. You all know the

4905
03:13:55,359 --> 03:13:57,760
process. We won't we will certainly be

4906
03:13:57,760 --> 03:13:59,520
in in a lot of touch with your planning

4907
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:01,040
department. So I don't think our

4908
03:14:01,040 --> 03:14:02,960
timeline will will continue to be

4909
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:05,920
>> I think Chris Mr. Burn you started the

4910
03:14:05,920 --> 03:14:08,640
two did you start? So add add the date

4911
03:14:08,640 --> 03:14:10,479
>> to provide the certain date then we're

4912
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:14,160
saying September 1st right

4913
03:14:14,160 --> 03:14:15,760
>> uh is there a second

4914
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:16,479
>> second

4915
03:14:16,479 --> 03:14:19,680
>> got a motion second no discussion not

4916
03:14:19,680 --> 03:14:24,800
hearing. All in favor say I. Can I ask a point of clarification for with my

4917
03:14:24,800 --> 03:14:25,520
fellow commissioner

4918
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:26,800
>> Bernett

4919
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:30,319
>> between the two, moving the ambulance

4920
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:33,920
bay to the west side or moving the

4921
03:14:33,920 --> 03:14:36,960
building north and west of its current

4922
03:14:36,960 --> 03:14:39,600
location? Is one more important than the

4923
03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:43,190
other?

4924
03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:47,600
» I understand. And I'm just try and I'm

4925
03:14:47,600 --> 03:14:48,080
>> both.

4926
03:14:48,080 --> 03:14:50,160
>> We're looking after you guys. So, we're

4927
03:14:50,160 --> 03:14:51,439
Okay, then we'll leave it that way.

4928
03:14:51,439 --> 03:14:53,840
>> Well, the geography is going to preclude

4929
03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:56,080
one or the other. If you put the bay on

4930
03:14:56,080 --> 03:14:58,000
the west side, by definition, the

4931
03:14:58,000 --> 03:14:59,520
building can no longer be as far to the

4932
03:14:59,520 --> 03:14:59,760
west.

4933
03:14:59,760 --> 03:15:00,319
>> Bottom line,

4934
03:15:00,319 --> 03:15:01,040
>> correct?

4935
03:15:01,040 --> 03:15:03,279
>> Yeah,

4936
03:15:03,279 --> 03:15:04,160
>> that's a good point.

4937
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:07,590
>> Yeah,

4938
03:15:07,600 --> 03:15:08,239
» yes, good point.

4939
03:15:08,239 --> 03:15:10,319
>> Within reason, but yes.

4940
03:15:10,319 --> 03:15:12,800
>> So, uh any further discussion? Not not

4941
03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:15,040
hearing it. All in favor say I. Any

4942
03:15:15,040 --> 03:15:17,520
opposed? Sounds like eyes have it.

4943
03:15:17,520 --> 03:15:19,359
>> Thank you. Thank you, board. Thank you

4944
03:15:19,359 --> 03:15:22,160
guys. Appreciate y'all coming out. U

4945
03:15:22,160 --> 03:15:24,640
apologize for any confusion our staff

4946
03:15:24,640 --> 03:15:29,840
and attorney gave you. I mean, that's unfortunate. So, thank you for

4947
03:15:29,840 --> 03:15:32,960
coming out.

4948
03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:41,510
Um, next item we have is ANX26-1-825

4949
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:44,640
a road annexation. I think Steve, you

4950
03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:46,160
want to kick that off? I'm going to do

4951
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:50,399
this is a this is a continuation.

4952
03:15:50,399 --> 03:15:55,510
So, um

4953
03:15:55,520 --> 03:15:58,399
» Thank you. Appreciate that. Uh this is a

4954
03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:01,920
continuation. So, um kind of bring you

4955
03:16:01,920 --> 03:16:04,399
up to speed where we at with that. I did

4956
03:16:04,399 --> 03:16:05,600
close the public hearing.

4957
03:16:05,600 --> 03:16:07,279
>> No, sir. This a new one.

4958
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:11,680
>> This is This is brand new, sir.

4959
03:16:11,680 --> 03:16:13,760
>> This is 825, right?

4960
03:16:13,760 --> 03:16:15,279
101 is where you would think about the

4961
03:16:15,279 --> 03:16:17,200
continuation.

4962
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:17,840
>> The what?

4963
03:16:17,840 --> 03:16:20,080
>> 1101.

4964
03:16:20,080 --> 03:16:22,000
1101 11.

4965
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:23,439
>> Okay.

4966
03:16:23,439 --> 03:16:25,600
>> All right. So, this is a new one then.

4967
03:16:25,600 --> 03:16:26,319
>> That's correct.

4968
03:16:26,319 --> 03:16:30,630
>> All right. So, this is ANX26-1-825

4969
03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:33,520
A Road Annexation. And Stephen, you

4970
03:16:33,520 --> 03:16:36,720
going to uh uh kind of give us a staff

4971
03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:39,600
report. And then after that, uh if there

4972
03:16:39,600 --> 03:16:41,439
any applicant want to give a report,

4973
03:16:41,439 --> 03:16:42,960
we'll hear that. Then I open up the

4974
03:16:42,960 --> 03:16:46,790
public hearing.

4975
03:16:46,800 --> 03:16:50,640
» So this is uh 825 A Road. It's the Hope

4976
03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:53,840
Baptist Church. Their petition to annex

4977
03:16:53,840 --> 03:16:55,520
into the town. This is an existing

4978
03:16:55,520 --> 03:16:58,160
church site. I believe they have a

4979
03:16:58,160 --> 03:17:00,880
desire to add on to their building and

4980
03:17:00,880 --> 03:17:02,319
make some adjustments, but they want

4981
03:17:02,319 --> 03:17:04,560
access to sewer, which is the primary

4982
03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:06,880
motivation for

4983
03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:09,520
um this annexation.

4984
03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:11,359
and we get the sewer from the

4985
03:17:11,359 --> 03:17:15,040
development from behind. Um, so this is

4986
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:17,920
just an ordinary annexation petition.

4987
03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:20,000
Um, I got the pin number there. It's

4988
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:21,920
roughly 10 acres. It's a place of

4989
03:17:21,920 --> 03:17:24,160
worship and again we want access to

4990
03:17:24,160 --> 03:17:25,760
public utilities which is the

4991
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:28,640
motivation.

4992
03:17:28,640 --> 03:17:31,439
Um, this is voluntary annexation

4993
03:17:31,439 --> 03:17:36,160
petition uh accepted on April 28th 26th.

4994
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:38,319
The board of commissioners um ordered

4995
03:17:38,319 --> 03:17:40,319
the clerk to investigate the sufficiency

4996
03:17:40,319 --> 03:17:43,359
at the June 16th, 2026 on the consent

4997
03:17:43,359 --> 03:17:55,110
agenda.

4998
03:17:55,120 --> 03:17:58,080
» The uh clerk found the the petition

4999
03:17:58,080 --> 03:18:00,880
sufficient on July 21st, 2026, and the

5000
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:02,319
board of commissioners set a public

5001
03:18:02,319 --> 03:18:05,990
hearing for tonight.

5002
03:18:06,000 --> 03:18:08,560
So with any annexation, the board needs

5003
03:18:08,560 --> 03:18:10,880
to consider the the cost benefit of

5004
03:18:10,880 --> 03:18:14,960
annexation and um in this case there's

5005
03:18:14,960 --> 03:18:16,960
no re measurable measurable impact to

5006
03:18:16,960 --> 03:18:19,520
the town because public works, parks,

5007
03:18:19,520 --> 03:18:22,399
fire and police, code enforcement, it

5008
03:18:22,399 --> 03:18:23,840
really would have no impact on any of

5009
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:26,560
those measurably.

5010
03:18:26,560 --> 03:18:28,800
Um if now if we had a utilities

5011
03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:31,040
department that that was our own, that

5012
03:18:31,040 --> 03:18:33,120
would be a consideration.

5013
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:35,439
you know, would it impact our ability to

5014
03:18:35,439 --> 03:18:36,960
provide those services? But that's a

5015
03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:43,670
rale function.

5016
03:18:43,680 --> 03:18:48,880
So, um the proposed motion is to to

5017
03:18:48,880 --> 03:18:50,800
either approve or deny the voluntary

5018
03:18:50,800 --> 03:18:53,279
annexation petition by adopting the

5019
03:18:53,279 --> 03:18:59,510
ordinance in your packet.

5020
03:18:59,520 --> 03:19:02,239
If I'm thinking correctly and I'm going

5021
03:19:02,239 --> 03:19:04,720
northbound or southbound down A, it's

5022
03:19:04,720 --> 03:19:07,600
literally the church in between

5023
03:19:07,600 --> 03:19:13,200
uh KB and Powder. Elizabeth Springs is right there on the left hand side.

5024
03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:13,840
>> It's on the same side.

5025
03:19:13,840 --> 03:19:15,279
It's the same

5026
03:19:15,279 --> 03:19:16,479
size as Elizabeth Springs. Literally

5027
03:19:16,479 --> 03:19:18,000
right there in the Yeah. North. Yeah.

5028
03:19:18,000 --> 03:19:18,720
Okay.

5029
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:25,670
>> Thank you.

5030
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:27,200
Is there a presentation from the

5031
03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:29,200
applicant?

5032
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:35,990
>> Paul, Stephen, it is okay.

5033
03:19:36,000 --> 03:19:36,319
» How you

5034
03:19:36,319 --> 03:19:38,640
>> Hey, good evening. John Fraser with FLM

5035
03:19:38,640 --> 03:19:41,200
Engineering. We're at 8951 Harvest Oaks

5036
03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:45,120
Drive, sweet 205 in Raleigh, 27615.

5037
03:19:45,120 --> 03:19:47,439
I'm uh civil engineer working with the

5038
03:19:47,439 --> 03:19:48,399
church. We've got some church

5039
03:19:48,399 --> 03:19:50,880
representatives as well. Uh but as

5040
03:19:50,880 --> 03:19:53,680
Stephen mentioned, this is a standard

5041
03:19:53,680 --> 03:19:56,080
annexation request. Uh the church does

5042
03:19:56,080 --> 03:19:59,760
have some um plans and and

5043
03:19:59,760 --> 03:20:01,520
considerations for improving their

5044
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:03,600
campus, but before they can even begin

5045
03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:05,279
that, they need to know that they have

5046
03:20:05,279 --> 03:20:06,880
access to utilities because currently

5047
03:20:06,880 --> 03:20:09,120
they have septic system on site that

5048
03:20:09,120 --> 03:20:11,439
would present pre prevent any expansions

5049
03:20:11,439 --> 03:20:13,760
or anything like that. So, we've had

5050
03:20:13,760 --> 03:20:15,439
discussions with planning staff, city of

5051
03:20:15,439 --> 03:20:16,960
Raleigh staff. City of Raleigh's

5052
03:20:16,960 --> 03:20:19,359
reviewed some preliminary utility

5053
03:20:19,359 --> 03:20:22,080
connection plan. So, we we feel that we

5054
03:20:22,080 --> 03:20:24,080
have an approvable

5055
03:20:24,080 --> 03:20:26,479
um you know, plan to to make these

5056
03:20:26,479 --> 03:20:27,840
connections and and this is really just

5057
03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:29,840
a first step to know that we we can do

5058
03:20:29,840 --> 03:20:32,720
it and the church can then start to to

5059
03:20:32,720 --> 03:20:34,640
explore the possibilities for

5060
03:20:34,640 --> 03:20:36,720
improvements to their campus. Uh but

5061
03:20:36,720 --> 03:20:43,590
we're happy to answer any questions that you guys may have uh tonight.

5062
03:20:43,600 --> 03:20:46,080
Yeah. And I I think we've we've annexed

5063
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:48,319
properties before because request for

5064
03:20:48,319 --> 03:20:51,520
water and sewer. Um I guess I guess for

5065
03:20:51,520 --> 03:20:54,479
the board uh Raleigh will not hook up

5066
03:20:54,479 --> 03:20:57,439
unless it's been annexed in some partner

5067
03:20:57,439 --> 03:21:00,960
city. So um only way they can get water

5068
03:21:00,960 --> 03:21:02,880
and sewer is for us to annex them.

5069
03:21:02,880 --> 03:21:07,520
>> That's correct. Um typically um

5070
03:21:07,520 --> 03:21:13,200
typically it means you know it's a tax based thing but the church is

5071
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:17,279
nonprofit so um it simp we don't we

5072
03:21:17,279 --> 03:21:19,920
would do this not on the desire to

5073
03:21:19,920 --> 03:21:23,279
collect any taxes probably but um

5074
03:21:23,279 --> 03:21:24,239
>> in good faith

5075
03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:25,359
>> huh

5076
03:21:25,359 --> 03:21:26,239
>> it's in good faith

5077
03:21:26,239 --> 03:21:28,640
>> yes in good faith but um

5078
03:21:28,640 --> 03:21:29,760
>> if [clears throat] there's no downside

5079
03:21:29,760 --> 03:21:30,800
to it then

5080
03:21:30,800 --> 03:21:33,359
>> yeah yeah only you know I don't I think

5081
03:21:33,359 --> 03:21:34,160
there's only

5082
03:21:34,160 --> 03:21:35,760
>> Mr. Mayor. I'd like to make a move then

5083
03:21:35,760 --> 03:21:37,680
please. I move to approve voluntary

5084
03:21:37,680 --> 03:21:41,279
annexation petition annex 26-002 by

5085
03:21:41,279 --> 03:21:45,600
adopting ordinance 2026-001.

5086
03:21:45,600 --> 03:21:47,760
>> I think I got to open the public hearing

5087
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:49,040
first.

5088
03:21:49,040 --> 03:21:51,359
>> So can you hold that commissioner if you

5089
03:21:51,359 --> 03:21:52,000
would?

5090
03:21:52,000 --> 03:21:54,080
>> Uh utilities are approximate to the

5091
03:21:54,080 --> 03:21:55,760
property, right?

5092
03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:58,319
>> Anything else you want to add? Um

5093
03:21:58,319 --> 03:22:00,800
>> I'll answer Mr. Mr. Paul's question. So

5094
03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:03,040
um there there's a small sewer extension

5095
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:05,200
that will be required from the preserve

5096
03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:07,200
and agreement is already in place for

5097
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:10,960
that sewer easement but water is in a

5098
03:22:10,960 --> 03:22:13,359
road. So just some minor extension

5099
03:22:13,359 --> 03:22:15,520
>> it is okay. Thank you.

5100
03:22:15,520 --> 03:22:17,120
>> So you have access to it.

5101
03:22:17,120 --> 03:22:17,840
>> Right. Right.

5102
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:19,680
>> I would think that probably anything

5103
03:22:19,680 --> 03:22:21,840
else you want to add uh presentation

5104
03:22:21,840 --> 03:22:22,640
wise?

5105
03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:24,319
>> No but again I'm happy to answer any

5106
03:22:24,319 --> 03:22:25,359
other questions you may have.

5107
03:22:25,359 --> 03:22:26,800
>> Okay. Well just stay right there for a

5108
03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:28,479
minute. I'm open to public hearing.

5109
03:22:28,479 --> 03:22:31,279
Anybody here in favor? Maybe check the

5110
03:22:31,279 --> 03:22:33,010
sheet for me, Christie. No one.

5111
03:22:33,010 --> 03:22:33,680
[laughter]

5112
03:22:33,680 --> 03:22:37,359
Okay. U last chance. Anybody want to

5113
03:22:37,359 --> 03:22:39,359
speak? Okay. I'll close the public

5114
03:22:39,359 --> 03:22:42,239
hearing now.

5115
03:22:42,239 --> 03:22:46,640
If it's any questions for staff or um or

5116
03:22:46,640 --> 03:22:49,359
John, um this is time. If not, I will

5117
03:22:49,359 --> 03:22:50,479
entertain a motion.

5118
03:22:50,479 --> 03:22:52,239
>> Commissioner Long.

5119
03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:55,120
>> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion,

5120
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:57,840
please. I move to approve voluntary

5121
03:22:57,840 --> 03:23:02,479
annexation petition A&X26-002

5122
03:23:02,479 --> 03:23:07,830
by adopting ordinance 2026-XX

5123
03:23:07,840 --> 03:23:10,880
» 001 number

5124
03:23:10,880 --> 03:23:11,439
>> 001

5125
03:23:11,439 --> 03:23:14,560
>> 00001 Okay so I have a motion on table

5126
03:23:14,560 --> 03:23:15,600
is there a second

5127
03:23:15,600 --> 03:23:16,560
>> second

5128
03:23:16,560 --> 03:23:19,200
>> I think commissioner Paul got

5129
03:23:19,200 --> 03:23:21,359
>> uh got a motion second any further

5130
03:23:21,359 --> 03:23:22,960
discussion

5131
03:23:22,960 --> 03:23:23,520
>> no sir

5132
03:23:23,520 --> 03:23:26,399
>> not hearing any all in favor Say I.

5133
03:23:26,399 --> 03:23:28,000
>> Any oppose?

5134
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:30,000
>> I sound like the eyes have it. So, thank

5135
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:31,760
you. Good to see you, bud. I haven't

5136
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:32,880
seen you.

5137
03:23:32,880 --> 03:23:34,160
>> Welcome back to Rollsville.

5138
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:35,040
>> Thank you.

5139
03:23:35,040 --> 03:23:36,880
>> Congratulations.

5140
03:23:36,880 --> 03:23:40,479
>> Um, very good.

5141
03:23:40,479 --> 03:23:43,120
Thank you, commissioners. Um, next item

5142
03:23:43,120 --> 03:23:45,840
is TA. Anybody want to take a break or

5143
03:23:45,840 --> 03:23:47,200
we want to roll through this?

5144
03:23:47,200 --> 03:23:48,720
>> Let's get through this.

5145
03:23:48,720 --> 03:23:51,279
uh TA26-6

5146
03:23:51,279 --> 03:23:55,670
and res-26-00004

5147
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:59,680
downtown lake. So, um

5148
03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:03,760
it's it's it's up to you.

5149
03:24:03,760 --> 03:24:07,279
>> Thank you, mayor. Um this overlay

5150
03:24:07,279 --> 03:24:08,880
district is a long time coming. It's

5151
03:24:08,880 --> 03:24:12,160
been talked about. Um, it primarily

5152
03:24:12,160 --> 03:24:14,960
deals with building orientation,

5153
03:24:14,960 --> 03:24:17,359
parking, buffer, setbacks, and that sort

5154
03:24:17,359 --> 03:24:21,279
of thing. Um, which I'll get into more.

5155
03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:24,479
Um, we've broken it into the areas in

5156
03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:25,920
light blue, and then there's sort of a

5157
03:24:25,920 --> 03:24:27,920
purple color, which is a core area.

5158
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:29,760
There's one distinction between the two

5159
03:24:29,760 --> 03:24:31,279
areas.

5160
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:35,439
Um the areas highlighted in red

5161
03:24:35,439 --> 03:24:39,680
on both ends of of of that area are

5162
03:24:39,680 --> 03:24:41,439
different than what's in your packet.

5163
03:24:41,439 --> 03:24:44,160
After the packet went out, this map was

5164
03:24:44,160 --> 03:24:47,279
shared with the downtown development

5165
03:24:47,279 --> 03:24:52,239
um RDDA and uh it was suggested that the

5166
03:24:52,239 --> 03:24:54,080
overlay extend to all four corners of

5167
03:24:54,080 --> 03:24:56,000
those intersections.

5168
03:24:56,000 --> 03:24:59,040
Um which so this map reflects what we

5169
03:24:59,040 --> 03:25:00,640
would like the board to adopt for the

5170
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:02,479
reasonzoning.

5171
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:05,760
Um, the core area is the walkable the

5172
03:25:05,760 --> 03:25:07,920
most walkable core area and essentially

5173
03:25:07,920 --> 03:25:09,600
that's there's a restriction on

5174
03:25:09,600 --> 03:25:11,760
drive-thrus

5175
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:14,399
in that area. So, I'll get I'll get to

5176
03:25:14,399 --> 03:25:18,239
the next. Um, the chapter

5177
03:25:18,239 --> 03:25:19,840
discusses four different areas. There's

5178
03:25:19,840 --> 03:25:21,359
the introductory provisions, which was

5179
03:25:21,359 --> 03:25:23,760
my first slide. There are permitted and

5180
03:25:23,760 --> 03:25:27,359
special uses in the downtown overlay.

5181
03:25:27,359 --> 03:25:29,840
There are prohibited uses. And then

5182
03:25:29,840 --> 03:25:32,080
there's design standards. And I'll get

5183
03:25:32,080 --> 03:25:34,560
into the design standards in a second.

5184
03:25:34,560 --> 03:25:36,399
Um, I want to point out though that we

5185
03:25:36,399 --> 03:25:39,200
do still have this uh downzoning

5186
03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:41,520
provision in the legislature which

5187
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:44,239
restricts us from downzoning any

5188
03:25:44,239 --> 03:25:46,560
property. And so there is a clause in

5189
03:25:46,560 --> 03:25:48,880
this ordinance that should any of these

5190
03:25:48,880 --> 03:25:50,560
provisions

5191
03:25:50,560 --> 03:25:53,120
um presenting down zoning, they don't

5192
03:25:53,120 --> 03:25:56,720
apply. So in some cases, this will be

5193
03:25:56,720 --> 03:25:58,720
aspirational.

5194
03:25:58,720 --> 03:26:00,800
If a land owner, you know, they want to

5195
03:26:00,800 --> 03:26:03,200
comply, they will. If they get really

5196
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:06,560
pushy, they may say the downzoning

5197
03:26:06,560 --> 03:26:10,080
provision protects me. So, for instance,

5198
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:12,960
we have in the pedestrian area, this

5199
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:16,479
walkable core, we want to bring the the

5200
03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:18,960
development signs down from 12 feet down

5201
03:26:18,960 --> 03:26:20,960
to six feet, which is a more pedestrian

5202
03:26:20,960 --> 03:26:24,160
scale. But in the end, if they really

5203
03:26:24,160 --> 03:26:25,680
want that 12 foot sign, there's probably

5204
03:26:25,680 --> 03:26:27,520
nothing we can do, at least until the

5205
03:26:27,520 --> 03:26:32,000
down zoning provision gets um eliminated

5206
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:35,520
in legislation

5207
03:26:35,520 --> 03:26:37,840
in the design standards. Um building

5208
03:26:37,840 --> 03:26:39,840
orientation. So really the buildings

5209
03:26:39,840 --> 03:26:43,439
would have to orient the streets. Um

5210
03:26:43,439 --> 03:26:45,120
parking would be located the side of the

5211
03:26:45,120 --> 03:26:48,160
rear buildings. We we'd be eliminating

5212
03:26:48,160 --> 03:26:49,760
perimeter buffers since this is all

5213
03:26:49,760 --> 03:26:51,200
walkable commercial area. So we don't

5214
03:26:51,200 --> 03:26:52,720
need to buffer it from itself. It's

5215
03:26:52,720 --> 03:26:54,800
meant to all be complimentary.

5216
03:26:54,800 --> 03:26:58,239
Um street buffers are are eliminated

5217
03:26:58,239 --> 03:26:59,520
because the buildings are going to be

5218
03:26:59,520 --> 03:27:03,279
brought up to the street. Um

5219
03:27:03,279 --> 03:27:06,399
it'll be a 5 to 20 foot setback

5220
03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:11,520
and only where where a building steps

5221
03:27:11,520 --> 03:27:13,760
back further they will have to maintain

5222
03:27:13,760 --> 03:27:16,319
the street edge.

5223
03:27:16,319 --> 03:27:19,279
Okay. Um, drive-throughs again are not

5224
03:27:19,279 --> 03:27:20,960
allowed in the walkable clear area. That

5225
03:27:20,960 --> 03:27:23,120
was the purple area. Otherwise, located

5226
03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:26,399
to the side or rear of buildings. Um,

5227
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:29,920
vegetation preservation is a U part of

5228
03:27:29,920 --> 03:27:31,840
the code which really wouldn't make

5229
03:27:31,840 --> 03:27:34,800
sense in the downtown core, so it's not

5230
03:27:34,800 --> 03:27:37,200
required. And then mailboxes for

5231
03:27:37,200 --> 03:27:39,439
requiring them to be located internally

5232
03:27:39,439 --> 03:27:44,389
or clustered along Main Street.

5233
03:27:44,399 --> 03:27:46,479
Um, there are, if you look in your

5234
03:27:46,479 --> 03:27:49,120
packet, there was minor edits to the

5235
03:27:49,120 --> 03:27:51,920
other overlay section, other parts of

5236
03:27:51,920 --> 03:27:53,279
the overlay, and that's really just

5237
03:27:53,279 --> 03:27:57,760
textual fixes, clarity, typos.

5238
03:27:57,760 --> 03:28:01,120
Um, and with that, I've got two proposed

5239
03:28:01,120 --> 03:28:03,359
motions. One is to approve or deny the

5240
03:28:03,359 --> 03:28:05,600
overlay ordinance,

5241
03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:07,359
finding it consistent or inconsistent

5242
03:28:07,359 --> 03:28:10,640
with the plan, and please give examples.

5243
03:28:10,640 --> 03:28:14,720
for uh a motion to approve or deny the

5244
03:28:14,720 --> 03:28:21,750
um the the map, the corresponding map.

5245
03:28:21,760 --> 03:28:26,070
» Question. Can I ask my question?

5246
03:28:26,080 --> 03:28:29,359
» Okay. So, um in the overlay district I

5247
03:28:29,359 --> 03:28:33,359
it the permitted special uses

5248
03:28:33,359 --> 03:28:36,399
had included lodge and private club. Is

5249
03:28:36,399 --> 03:28:37,920
that because of Granite Falls? Is

5250
03:28:37,920 --> 03:28:40,479
Granite Falls in that area? And it had

5251
03:28:40,479 --> 03:28:42,239
also had bars and nightclubs, which I

5252
03:28:42,239 --> 03:28:44,239
understand there's the tavern and

5253
03:28:44,239 --> 03:28:46,080
greenway. So that's why that's still on

5254
03:28:46,080 --> 03:28:49,200
there. So, but the lodge and private

5255
03:28:49,200 --> 03:28:55,200
clubs, what is that? Is that Oh, that new building, um, Pinelow, that's

5256
03:28:55,200 --> 03:28:57,760
private. Is that considered a private

5257
03:28:57,760 --> 03:28:58,080
club?

5258
03:28:58,080 --> 03:29:03,910
>> Not sure that's considered private club.

5259
03:29:03,920 --> 03:29:05,920
» What was it? said

5260
03:29:05,920 --> 03:29:08,800
>> it was the Elks Club, the Moose Club,

5261
03:29:08,800 --> 03:29:10,000
>> the the Masons.

5262
03:29:10,000 --> 03:29:11,840
>> Oh, that's the one that's behind the

5263
03:29:11,840 --> 03:29:12,720
>> Jeffrey Clubs.

5264
03:29:12,720 --> 03:29:15,840
>> That's not in there. That's not in there.

5265
03:29:15,840 --> 03:29:17,920
>> But would Granite Falls under that? That

5266
03:29:17,920 --> 03:29:18,399
was a good point.

5267
03:29:18,399 --> 03:29:20,239
>> Is Granite Falls in that area? Like a

5268
03:29:20,239 --> 03:29:21,840
private club because you have to pay

5269
03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:22,560
membership.

5270
03:29:22,560 --> 03:29:24,080
>> He said it's it's not in there.

5271
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:25,279
>> I don't think it's in that. I don't

5272
03:29:25,279 --> 03:29:26,080
think it's in that overlay.

5273
03:29:26,080 --> 03:29:26,800
>> Oh, it's not.

5274
03:29:26,800 --> 03:29:27,279
>> Okay.

5275
03:29:27,279 --> 03:29:27,840
>> This is pretty much

5276
03:29:27,840 --> 03:29:29,200
>> That's pretty much Main Street. Yeah.

5277
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:31,600
>> Yeah. So then lodge and private club can

5278
03:29:31,600 --> 03:29:34,239
come out then.

5279
03:29:34,239 --> 03:29:37,840
Um, if you would like them to come out.

5280
03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:40,160
>> Are you seeking to prevent

5281
03:29:40,160 --> 03:29:41,840
>> So, what's a I know a private

5282
03:29:41,840 --> 03:29:43,359
>> along Main Street,

5283
03:29:43,359 --> 03:29:45,840
>> a lodge and a private club. A lodge such

5284
03:29:45,840 --> 03:29:48,160
as what kind what kind of lodge? Like a

5285
03:29:48,160 --> 03:29:50,000
>> hotel, boutique.

5286
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:52,080
>> No, these the the description is going

5287
03:29:52,080 --> 03:29:55,279
to be of uh dinner club, supper club,

5288
03:29:55,279 --> 03:29:58,479
membership club, moose lodge, uh elks

5289
03:29:58,479 --> 03:30:01,200
club, rotary that has

5290
03:30:01,200 --> 03:30:02,640
>> cigar club.

5291
03:30:02,640 --> 03:30:06,319
>> Yeah. cigar club, these sort of things.

5292
03:30:06,319 --> 03:30:08,720
>> Got it. Okay.

5293
03:30:08,720 --> 03:30:14,125
>> Yeah.

5294
03:30:14,135 --> 03:30:16,000
[laughter]

5295
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:18,800
>> Keep going. Keep going.

5296
03:30:18,800 --> 03:30:20,880
>> I think Main Street Tavern is a private

5297
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:21,439
club, isn't it?

5298
03:30:21,439 --> 03:30:22,319
>> It is.

5299
03:30:22,319 --> 03:30:23,439
>> Is it?

5300
03:30:23,439 --> 03:30:26,319
>> Oh, yeah. What is it? A dollar?

5301
03:30:26,319 --> 03:30:26,960
>> It's a dollar.

5302
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:28,960
>> It used to be and North Carolina just

5303
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:30,399
recently got rid of the private club

5304
03:30:30,399 --> 03:30:31,359
law. So

5305
03:30:31,359 --> 03:30:33,120
>> but but prior to then it was a dollar

5306
03:30:33,120 --> 03:30:34,239
>> but still

5307
03:30:34,239 --> 03:30:38,710
>> but then at the end of the day

5308
03:30:38,720 --> 03:30:40,319
» go ahead.

5309
03:30:40,319 --> 03:30:43,120
>> Yeah. So it's just looking for a motion

5310
03:30:43,120 --> 03:30:44,800
for both the text amendment and the

5311
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:48,389
reasoning.

5312
03:30:48,399 --> 03:30:50,479
» So any additional work has to be done on

5313
03:30:50,479 --> 03:30:53,120
this or

5314
03:30:53,120 --> 03:30:56,560
>> it's all kind of done and this clause

5315
03:30:56,560 --> 03:30:59,840
about I know um just down thrown in kind

5316
03:30:59,840 --> 03:31:01,200
of

5317
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:03,760
held this up for a long long time. So

5318
03:31:03,760 --> 03:31:06,000
this clause fixed all that. Then

5319
03:31:06,000 --> 03:31:07,359
>> you know where somebody have a issue

5320
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:09,680
with you, they just challenge it.

5321
03:31:09,680 --> 03:31:11,840
>> We would just back down. We say that the

5322
03:31:11,840 --> 03:31:14,080
clause, you're right. The clause is

5323
03:31:14,080 --> 03:31:17,120
there. You can build your 12oot sign.

5324
03:31:17,120 --> 03:31:20,960
So you know, we're hopeful that that down zoning will go away at some

5325
03:31:20,960 --> 03:31:23,439
point.

5326
03:31:23,439 --> 03:31:25,760
Clause is protecting us.

5327
03:31:25,760 --> 03:31:28,239
>> I just have one more question. So if

5328
03:31:28,239 --> 03:31:31,120
there is in the overlay district. There

5329
03:31:31,120 --> 03:31:35,279
is a building that is industrial

5330
03:31:35,279 --> 03:31:37,120
that

5331
03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:39,840
they will still if it's sold, somebody

5332
03:31:39,840 --> 03:31:41,920
new bought it.

5333
03:31:41,920 --> 03:31:44,080
It's still zoned industrial even though

5334
03:31:44,080 --> 03:31:45,760
it's in the overlay district.

5335
03:31:45,760 --> 03:31:48,399
>> That clause fixes them. That's what the

5336
03:31:48,399 --> 03:31:49,920
clause is for.

5337
03:31:49,920 --> 03:31:52,640
>> So it's now they're now required to do

5338
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:53,359
this

5339
03:31:53,359 --> 03:31:54,880
>> only if they expand. It's only new

5340
03:31:54,880 --> 03:31:56,479
development really.

5341
03:31:56,479 --> 03:31:59,200
>> Oh, wait. because everyone else is legal

5342
03:31:59,200 --> 03:32:01,200
non-conforming.

5343
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:02,479
>> Legal non-conforming. So, if you're

5344
03:32:02,479 --> 03:32:03,840
going to expand, your expansion would

5345
03:32:03,840 --> 03:32:06,080
have to meet these standards unless you

5346
03:32:06,080 --> 03:32:07,760
challenge it because of the down zoning

5347
03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:11,120
clause. Um,

5348
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:11,439
so

5349
03:32:11,439 --> 03:32:13,040
>> so as long as the building stays the

5350
03:32:13,040 --> 03:32:15,760
same and everything, nothing else if

5351
03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:20,399
they don't build out any or change it in

5352
03:32:20,399 --> 03:32:21,840
>> persists legal for me.

5353
03:32:21,840 --> 03:32:24,479
>> Okay, got it.

5354
03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:27,439
>> Good clarity.

5355
03:32:27,439 --> 03:32:30,000
After you got this, no one who can do

5356
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:32,000
something today will not be able to do

5357
03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:34,239
it tomorrow. Everyone who can do

5358
03:32:34,239 --> 03:32:36,080
something today will still be able to do

5359
03:32:36,080 --> 03:32:38,080
it tomorrow. No one can lose their

5360
03:32:38,080 --> 03:32:40,000
ladies rights based upon the action you

5361
03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:40,479
take.

5362
03:32:40,479 --> 03:32:43,670
>> Okay.

5363
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:45,359
» So they could do whatever they wanted to

5364
03:32:45,359 --> 03:32:47,040
in the industrial zoning.

5365
03:32:47,040 --> 03:32:47,840
>> Correct.

5366
03:32:47,840 --> 03:32:49,920
>> Even though it's

5367
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:52,160
>> this. So it's not fixed.

5368
03:32:52,160 --> 03:32:53,920
>> It's just an overlay.

5369
03:32:53,920 --> 03:32:55,520
>> North Carolina doesn't allow it. So

5370
03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:57,359
right if it's industrial it could be a

5371
03:32:57,359 --> 03:33:00,640
vacant industrial site the day after you

5372
03:33:00,640 --> 03:33:02,960
adopt this

5373
03:33:02,960 --> 03:33:04,399
if they were willing to move forward

5374
03:33:04,399 --> 03:33:06,479
with the zoning that we currently have

5375
03:33:06,479 --> 03:33:09,359
industrial zone they would not have to

5376
03:33:09,359 --> 03:33:10,800
come before you and they would not be

5377
03:33:10,800 --> 03:33:13,920
subject to any

5378
03:33:13,920 --> 03:33:15,520
>> but if they wanted to change the zoning

5379
03:33:15,520 --> 03:33:16,640
this is the only thing they could change

5380
03:33:16,640 --> 03:33:17,359
it to

5381
03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:19,120
>> if if they wanted to come in for a

5382
03:33:19,120 --> 03:33:21,120
reasonzoning on their own then

5383
03:33:21,120 --> 03:33:22,399
essentially they're they're deciding

5384
03:33:22,399 --> 03:33:25,279
they'd like to be part of a brave new

5385
03:33:25,279 --> 03:33:25,920
Yeah.

5386
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:27,680
>> Okay.

5387
03:33:27,680 --> 03:33:28,960
>> Gotcha.

5388
03:33:28,960 --> 03:33:31,840
>> Yeah. Anything coming in the future has

5389
03:33:31,840 --> 03:33:32,319
got to

5390
03:33:32,319 --> 03:33:33,439
>> if they want to do something, they have

5391
03:33:33,439 --> 03:33:34,720
to do it this way

5392
03:33:34,720 --> 03:33:37,439
>> unless they unless they're protected by

5393
03:33:37,439 --> 03:33:38,160
>> already.

5394
03:33:38,160 --> 03:33:38,880
>> Yeah.

5395
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:40,319
>> Unless they already have it.

5396
03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:43,359
>> No one is losing. No one loses. If

5397
03:33:43,359 --> 03:33:45,040
someone were to walk up to you, let's

5398
03:33:45,040 --> 03:33:49,520
say this tomorrow and say, you know,

5399
03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:51,200
government regulates me to death. I

5400
03:33:51,200 --> 03:33:52,399
can't believe you're taking away my

5401
03:33:52,399 --> 03:33:54,880
rights. That

5402
03:33:54,880 --> 03:33:56,800
Everybody is completely grandfathered in

5403
03:33:56,800 --> 03:33:58,880
unless they consent to be reserved.

5404
03:33:58,880 --> 03:34:01,120
>> Okay, got it. I understand.

5405
03:34:01,120 --> 03:34:02,960
>> I do think this is important because

5406
03:34:02,960 --> 03:34:04,960
I've I've had a a potential developer

5407
03:34:04,960 --> 03:34:06,319
say, "Well, we want to do what the town

5408
03:34:06,319 --> 03:34:09,200
wants." So, you're going to find some

5409
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:11,359
voluntary compliance.

5410
03:34:11,359 --> 03:34:11,760
>> Absolutely.

5411
03:34:11,760 --> 03:34:12,880
>> As you go through,

5412
03:34:12,880 --> 03:34:15,920
>> you I'm sure you hear that. I wish I

5413
03:34:15,920 --> 03:34:17,359
wish the town would just tell me what

5414
03:34:17,359 --> 03:34:23,590
the town wants.

5415
03:34:23,600 --> 03:34:24,800
» Ready for a motion, sir?

5416
03:34:24,800 --> 03:34:26,319
>> Yeah, I'm ready for a motion.

5417
03:34:26,319 --> 03:34:29,920
>> Move to approve TA-26-006

5418
03:34:29,920 --> 03:34:32,239
downtown overlay district because it is

5419
03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:35,680
consistent with the comprehensive plan.

5420
03:34:35,680 --> 03:34:38,640
>> Is there any

5421
03:34:38,640 --> 03:34:39,760
provide an example?

5422
03:34:39,760 --> 03:34:42,000
>> Anybody want to second that?

5423
03:34:42,000 --> 03:34:44,000
>> Second.

5424
03:34:44,000 --> 03:34:47,439
Uh I think uh I think the attorney I

5425
03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:50,080
mean not attorney but uh the planning

5426
03:34:50,080 --> 03:34:52,720
director gave some examples how

5427
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:54,960
consistent with what

5428
03:34:54,960 --> 03:34:56,399
>> he actually said it was consistent

5429
03:34:56,399 --> 03:34:57,200
didn't he?

5430
03:34:57,200 --> 03:34:59,200
>> He stated that. So um

5431
03:34:59,200 --> 03:35:00,560
>> using the examples

5432
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:02,880
>> yeah use his

5433
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:03,520
>> really [snorts]

5434
03:35:03,520 --> 03:35:08,630
best example that bringing the downtown.

5435
03:35:08,640 --> 03:35:10,319
» Yeah.

5436
03:35:10,319 --> 03:35:12,000
>> So I got a motion second. Any

5437
03:35:12,000 --> 03:35:13,600
discussion? No.

5438
03:35:13,600 --> 03:35:15,359
>> All in favor say I.

5439
03:35:15,359 --> 03:35:16,800
>> Any oppose?

5440
03:35:16,800 --> 03:35:18,560
>> I sounds like they have it. They do have

5441
03:35:18,560 --> 03:35:21,600
it. Uh then

5442
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:25,040
>> uh the map. Who did the motion?

5443
03:35:25,040 --> 03:35:25,840
>> I did.

5444
03:35:25,840 --> 03:35:30,399
Move to approve reszoning 26-004

5445
03:35:30,399 --> 03:35:33,040
official zoning map update for the

5446
03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:35,600
downtown Overlay district because it is

5447
03:35:35,600 --> 03:35:37,760
consistent with the comprehensive plan.

5448
03:35:37,760 --> 03:35:38,720
>> Second.

5449
03:35:38,720 --> 03:35:41,279
>> Got a motion. Second. Any discussion?

5450
03:35:41,279 --> 03:35:43,359
Not hearing. All in favor say I. I.

5451
03:35:43,359 --> 03:35:44,800
>> Any oppose?

5452
03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:46,399
>> Sounds like eyes have it. Eyes do have

5453
03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:48,160
it. Motion's approved. Thank you.

5454
03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:50,720
Appreciate that.

5455
03:35:50,720 --> 03:35:53,600
>> Okay, moving along. Communications with

5456
03:35:53,600 --> 03:35:56,880
uh town town manager Eric. Anything you

5457
03:35:56,880 --> 03:36:00,080
want to um communicate?

5458
03:36:00,080 --> 03:36:04,239
Thank you. Thank you,

5459
03:36:04,239 --> 03:36:06,800
Stephen. Thank you.

5460
03:36:06,800 --> 03:36:09,840
Appreciate. Go ahead, Eric.

5461
03:36:09,840 --> 03:36:11,760
>> Um, nope. don't have any updates. They

5462
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:14,399
were covered in the seniors update and

5463
03:36:14,399 --> 03:36:16,319
also in the public safety update as far

5464
03:36:16,319 --> 03:36:18,880
as national night out and also the

5465
03:36:18,880 --> 03:36:22,160
seniors expo is coming up.

5466
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:24,640
>> All right. Thanks. Any update? Dave

5467
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:26,239
Neil, town attorney.

5468
03:36:26,239 --> 03:36:37,349
>> The only item is something in which

5469
03:36:37,359 --> 03:36:39,760
» Thank you, Mr. Manager. Uh the only

5470
03:36:39,760 --> 03:36:42,319
thing that I have is the proposed close

5471
03:36:42,319 --> 03:36:44,319
session for a personnel matter if that's

5472
03:36:44,319 --> 03:36:46,640
uh the board's pleasure and the form of

5473
03:36:46,640 --> 03:36:51,110
motion is in your inbox.

5474
03:36:51,120 --> 03:36:53,120
Any other thing any questions for

5475
03:36:53,120 --> 03:36:56,560
attorney or Eric? Anything from clerk?

5476
03:36:56,560 --> 03:36:59,520
Any any comment? Um

5477
03:36:59,520 --> 03:37:03,359
she's working on 911 contest. So um

5478
03:37:03,359 --> 03:37:06,160
that's uh that's going to be here pretty

5479
03:37:06,160 --> 03:37:06,880
soon. So

5480
03:37:06,880 --> 03:37:09,120
>> that's right.

5481
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:11,600
September 1st.

5482
03:37:11,600 --> 03:37:13,840
>> Yeah, that'd be at the meeting.

5483
03:37:13,840 --> 03:37:16,479
>> That'd be at the meeting September 1st.

5484
03:37:16,479 --> 03:37:19,439
Um, we will go back to our new schedule

5485
03:37:19,439 --> 03:37:22,800
or our

5486
03:37:22,800 --> 03:37:25,600
normal schedule in September.

5487
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:29,520
Um, so with that, I will entertain a

5488
03:37:29,520 --> 03:37:32,560
motion for executive session.

5489
03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:35,120
>> Mr. Mayor, I have a motion, proposed

5490
03:37:35,120 --> 03:37:37,120
form of motion for closed section. I

5491
03:37:37,120 --> 03:37:38,560
move that the board go into close

5492
03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:40,399
session to preserve the attorney client

5493
03:37:40,399 --> 03:37:43,439
privilege pursuant to chapter 143

5494
03:37:43,439 --> 03:37:46,000
section 318.11a6

5495
03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:47,760
of the Northcon general statutes to

5496
03:37:47,760 --> 03:37:51,040
discuss a personnel matter

5497
03:37:51,040 --> 03:37:53,120
I have a motion to second. Is there any

5498
03:37:53,120 --> 03:37:54,399
discussion?

5499
03:37:54,399 --> 03:37:56,399
>> Second.

5500
03:37:56,399 --> 03:37:58,560
>> Got a motion second. Any discussion? All

5501
03:37:58,560 --> 03:38:00,000
in favor say I.

5502
03:38:00,000 --> 03:38:02,399
>> Any oppose? Eyes have it. And we will

5503
03:38:02,399 --> 03:38:05,359
adjourn into close. not ajourned for

5504
03:38:05,359 --> 03:38:22,950
recess and close session. Thank you.

5505
03:38:22,960 --> 03:38:26,080
Okay, we have come out of executive

5506
03:38:26,080 --> 03:38:28,479
session. Um, it's pretty late tonight.

5507
03:38:28,479 --> 03:38:31,200
We spent uh a pretty good while in

5508
03:38:31,200 --> 03:38:33,279
meetings tonight. We had a couple public

5509
03:38:33,279 --> 03:38:35,439
hearings to do and a couple of business

5510
03:38:35,439 --> 03:38:39,040
items to take care of. Uh this is the

5511
03:38:39,040 --> 03:38:41,200
last big long meeting we'll have board.

5512
03:38:41,200 --> 03:38:44,399
So I hope you appreciate us meeting uh

5513
03:38:44,399 --> 03:38:46,080
just one time a month during the

5514
03:38:46,080 --> 03:38:49,359
summertime. It as you can see by the

5515
03:38:49,359 --> 03:38:50,640
clock sometimes it's going to take a

5516
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:52,720
while to do it but we will be back on

5517
03:38:52,720 --> 03:38:54,800
this on the regular schedule in

5518
03:38:54,800 --> 03:38:57,920
September. Um and hopefully we'll get

5519
03:38:57,920 --> 03:38:59,680
out of here much earlier. But just want

5520
03:38:59,680 --> 03:39:01,200
to appreciate all the work the board put

5521
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:04,239
in today. Uh we got a lot of things

5522
03:39:04,239 --> 03:39:05,680
accomplished. We still got a lot more

5523
03:39:05,680 --> 03:39:08,479
things accomplished especially making

5524
03:39:08,479 --> 03:39:11,680
decision around the hospital. Um we want

5525
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:13,520
to get it right but at the same time we

5526
03:39:13,520 --> 03:39:14,880
want to support a hospital need a

5527
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:17,359
hospital in Missouri in my opinion and

5528
03:39:17,359 --> 03:39:18,960
uh we need to figure out how to do that

5529
03:39:18,960 --> 03:39:21,279
make it make it the right thing to do.

5530
03:39:21,279 --> 03:39:24,000
So with that any comments from from

5531
03:39:24,000 --> 03:39:26,399
staff or whatever any comments from

5532
03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:28,080
board? Appreciate it. Just want to

5533
03:39:28,080 --> 03:39:30,080
remind everybody tomorrow we have this

5534
03:39:30,080 --> 03:39:34,479
senior citizens uh uh expo. So uh make

5535
03:39:34,479 --> 03:39:36,319
sure you come out for that. We'll meet

5536
03:39:36,319 --> 03:39:39,040
again before 911, but the big 911 events

5537
03:39:39,040 --> 03:39:41,520
coming up too. So thank you. Appreciate

5538
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:46,120
board. Thanks a lot. We are ajourned.