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Russ Common County Board of
Commissioners meeting September 9th,

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2026 at 9:00 a.m. Please stand for the
pledge.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Roll call, please.
>> Russo

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Mley
>> here.

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» Wilson
>> here.

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» Here.
>> Spencer

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» here.
>> Approval of the agenda.

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» Second.

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» Any discussion?
Roll call, please.

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» Marley. Yes,
>> Spencer.

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» Yes.
>> Wolson.

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» Yes.
>> Milbour.

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» Yes.
>> Motion carried.

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» Approval of the consent agenda. The
items in the consent agenda um are the

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meeting minutes from August 2026 board
meeting and the budget and finance

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committee of the whole meeting.
September 1st, 2026 special meeting

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boiler project class A's in the amount
of 2,216,1731

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and claims and accounts in the amount of
399

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$399,380.70

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correspondence from Spectrum expansion
of the broadband monthly department

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reports May through August 2026 sheriff
activity report and August 2026 6 animal

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control and shelter stats administrator
controller report and the clerk register

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of deeds update. Do I have a motion to
accept the consent agenda?

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» Second.
>> Roll call, please.

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» Wolson,
>> yes.

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» Mley,
>> yes.

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» Milbour,
>> yes.

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» Spencer,
>> yes. Motion carried.

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» Public comment for agenda items only. Is
there any public comment for agenda

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items? Any

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visitors?

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Unfinished business strategic plan
action update. Commissioner Mley, would

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you like to start?
>> I think we'll be going over a lot of

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that in my report, but basically we're
just finishing up right now in all the

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budget meetings with the department
heads. Last but not least, hopefully

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today we'll finish up our board of
commissioners budget, controllers

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budget, funds, and our drain
commissioner. Those are the last ones we

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have to do. So,
Commissioner Milbour,

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Commissioner Wolson.
>> Okay.

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Review of comparable counties employee
benefits.

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» So, we are short. five counties have not
responded yet to the survey. So, we will

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have to um ask to table that and move
that to the next. Okay. Um as soon as

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Noel has that data, she'll send it out
to you well in advance so that you can

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see. But it is um comparison of the
benefit types, vacation um just as was

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requested at the last meeting. So,
that'll be in a spreadsheet format. So,

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» okay. Thank you.

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New business. Request for a budget
amendment fund 207.

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The sheriff's department.

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» Good morning.
>> Good morning.

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So, for the last uh 11 years or so, the
sheriff has done a very good job of

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being intentional with our budget. Um,
most of you know we were pretty

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short-handed for a while and we're not
paying out uh all of our wages as

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budgeted. Um, every year that we have
had excess, he has put into uh an

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account knowing that we would have major
expenses coming up in the future for

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things that needed to be updated around
the sheriff's office. Um, in the last

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couple of years, we've updated our
records management system, our jail

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management system, our body cameras, and
incar cameras, and have our new policy

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software. Um, recently we also uh had
some upgrades with computers added to

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our vehicles. That was paid for by
federal funds. Um, and in the next

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several years, we will be slowly working
on updating all 800 megahertz radios to

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be compliant with state and federal uh
requirements for encryption. That's

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going to be another costly thing that we
have ahead of us. Um, for the 2027

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budget, Sheriff originally had uh
$400,000

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budgeted to be moved uh out of that fund
into our budget to pay for several

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different things. Uh, some of that was
vehicles. Uh, we're in need of several

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patrol vehicles. uh when Sergeant Hand
uh sort of oversees our fleet of

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vehicles, when he got looking at patrol
vehicles, uh he located several that

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were available still in 2026 that we can
purchase at the 2026 pricing, which

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saves us about $1,700 a patrol vehicle.
So, what we are requesting is that we

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$200,000 of that $400,000 be moved into
the 2026 budget instead of the 2027

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budget. So, we can purchase those patrol
cars ahead, which will save us about

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$7,000 total instead of waiting till
next year to buy those vehicles. That

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makes sense.

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» It's $200,000.
that that will help pay for the vehicles

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and the outfitting of the vehicles,
radios and radar and uh restraints and

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all those things that we have to put
into the vehicles once we receive them.

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» And he budgeted
at 400,000 for next year. And so

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essentially we would just be taking 200
of that early. So what we would then be

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requesting is 200,000 in next year's
budget, 200,000 in this year's budget,

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and the 200,000 in this year's budget
would be for those four patrol vehicles.

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» Yes.
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» Yast.

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» Yeah. Well, that's that's the thing.
They gave us an estimate of what 2027

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would look like and and it's a lot
cheaper this year, but they said that

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that was just an estimate and by the
time 2027 comes around and we try it,

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you know how that goes. It could be even
more. So,

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» Madam Chair,
>> and they have these vehicles available

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right now. Um, well, not today, but they
will be available

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before October, I think, is when is that
when they said?

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» Yes.
>> Yes. Yes.

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» Yes. How's that money move?
>> Has it been collected yet?

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» Yep. So, they actually have a pretty
healthy fund balance um close to $2

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million. So, it would simply be that the
board would need to approve a budget

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amendment for $200,000, moving it from
their fund balance to their vehicle line

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item.
>> So, when it's collected, it returns back

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to the fund balance.
>> Yep.

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» Okay.
>> Any other questions? Any other

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questions?
>> Save money. Thank you.

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» We're trying.
>> Doing it.

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» So, Jody, this would just go on our next
meeting through a motion.

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» Okay.
>> Today's meeting or

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» next?
>> Does you have to order these by when?

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» I think next meeting. Well,
>> yeah. Oh, yeah. It doesn't I don't think

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we need an answer today. Like we we've
got a little bit of time. you just

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notify them.
>> They had the vehicles available and they

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said that they could hold them for us
until we get a for sure answer. So, um,

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they just I think they had a few extra
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the last ones and so this sales lady was
like, "Hey, by the way, I know you guys

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cuz we had already told her that for
next year we wanted to get more."

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» Okay.
>> So, um, she was like, "Hey, just so you

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guys know, heads up."
Right.

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» Thank you.
>> Yep.

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» Okay.

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Next, we have the Brownfield Authority
Lake View Apartments TIFF Plan. Um, our

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treasurer, Marcy Dinkert.

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Thank you. Um I have with me Dusty
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» Um he is the developer for Lake View
Apartments in Denton Township. and he

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came to the Brownfield Redevelopment
Authority back in June requesting

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capture through the Brownfield um
housing tiff and the brownfield

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authority based on what was presented
everything meant the guidelines of the

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housing tiff um project uh we approved
that um through the brownfield

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redevelopment authority. It was recently
in September 2nd concurred with the

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Denton Township Board of Trustees um to
approve that project as well. Um this

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project will be located at 2456 Gladman
Road and that is the old Sandbar for

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anyone who's familiar with Prudinville
area and it will include a 10 unit

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housing development. Um, two of those
one-bedroom units are going to be

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reserved for households at or below 60%
of the AMI and eight units at or below

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100% of the AMI. Um, the housing tiff
allows for the developer to recapture

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infrastructure costs, um, demolition,
um, remediation, any any costs like

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that. Um the what they the whole project
is estimated to be just over $3 million.

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The tiff would capture an amount not to
exceed 970,000.

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Um and that period of capture will be
somewhere between 20 and 25 years. Um,

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we are asking that the county board of
commissioners authorize a public hearing

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to be held on September 23rd at your
next um, board of commissioners meeting.

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Any questions? And Dusty's here. He can
explain any part of his project if you

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have specific questions for him.
>> Madam Chair,

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» yes.
>> Has parking been addressed with that

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project? Yes, we've um there isn't any
exact guidelines for apartments in

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Denton Township, but I believe we're at
the 1.5 per each unit. So, we have

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there's no set standard, but I I think
we're trying to be at least one and a

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half spots per each uh unit that we have
there. If there's

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go back and look, I can't remember the
exact count we have, but we try to have

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at least that. That's why we reduced the
units from 12 down to 10 actually also

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to allow for more parking and a bigger
offset off of uh M18.

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» Yeah. Because if you rent a families,
I mean,

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» yeah, that was a concern.
>> You could assume they're going to have

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guests or maybe even a child that
drives.

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» Correct.

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» Any other questions for Dusty? I
understand the tiff and the importance

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of that for a developer. So,
>> are you going to have rates available?

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See?
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» Curious about how that's going to shake
up.

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» So, yeah. Um I probably can have exact
numbers at the next meeting which what

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they'll be.
>> Thank you.

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» These were just estimates.
>> Yeah. Some of it in the in the

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documents. Yeah, I think so, too.

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where I saw that really the request is
that we make allow you

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» public hearing. Yep. So that
>> and we'll take care of this. The

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brownfield our consultant will take care
of notifying newspaper publication um

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all of those items
>> forward to it.

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» Thank you for investing in our county.
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» Thank you, Dusty.

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We have motions and resolutions.
Whenever our clerk is ready,

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move to authorize the purchase of Power
Edge R750 server from SAMA for a cost of

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$17,245.18
for the purpose of allowing identity

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based access to authenticated and
accessed users as determined by Rosscom

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County Information Technology funds for
cost to be allocated from the capital

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projects fund.
>> So move second. Any discussion?

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Okay. Roll call, please. Spencer,
>> yes.

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» Yes.
>> Morley,

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» yes.
>> Wolson,

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» yes.
>> Motion carried.

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» I'll go by whatever.

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» Okay. Committee reports.
Commissioner Wolson.

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still working with um Bakus Township on
their

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recycling site. Um
they had a drawing computer drawing of

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it and I think he's seeking bids now.
Their next meeting is next Monday night

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and I'll attend that to see how that's
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Um, we had the agenda meeting. Um,
department head budget proposals. Um, we

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met with the majority of the, um,
department heads. I think there's only a

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couple left. Um, discussions with the
engineers regarding the Hol Lake lake

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level project. I was not able to attend
the airport meeting last Thursday um due

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to a funeral that I had to work. So I'm
hoping that Commissioner Melbourne or

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someone can give me an update on what
happened there.

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And that's all I have.
>> This is my turn.

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» Big takeaway from the airport last
Thursday was the fact that we have a 14

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hangers being built breaking ground in
October. Zero match to the county. That

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was the big takeaway. Uh later that day
I went to the veterans and the 56

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veterans attended the the bridgewalk and
Bill Mountain was officially approved as

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our as our as our next person on the
board. U the commission agent site this

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Wednesday attended that meeting. He
signed a conflict of interest standard

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and there's fixing the sidewalk in front
of the COA. We take away and Carolyn

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Rabdo yesterday was appointed as going
to be the incoming president to

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represent uh
the home lake board and also lady by the

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name of Carolyn Mitten is the
representative for St. Helen

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conflict of interest was signed there by
the by the district health.

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The big takeaway there was food born
illnesses by doctor by the by the doctor

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attending and
our new Taylor Irwin was our is our

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brand new
director for the the facility.

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» Great.
>> And also the last thing I

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the meeting in Nester Township. The next
RTA meeting to rest common township

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associate meeting will be September 17th
at 10 a.m. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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» Thank you, Commissioner Marley.
>> Well, I as well on August 26, I after

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our meetings, I was unable to attend the
spongy moth meeting and the health

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department meeting. Thank you, Mark, for
giving us that update. um due to a

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personal issue. September 1st um we
attended the special meeting for the

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boilers and the bid proposals. So really
great job, you know, to Justin for

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putting out the information and being
able to get that worked on. That's been

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in the works for a long time. So I hear
a lot of great comments in the county

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building that that's getting moved
forward. So September 4th, uh the

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controller um and our chair censor, we
met with the CEO for Northern Lakes

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Community Mental Health. There are
funding changes that are happening in

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our mental health world. Um, as far as
with Medicaid going through um, stricter

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guidelines and trying to be, you know,
qualified, that does impact their budget

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because 90% of Northern Lakes comes from
Medicaid and

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very strict rules on how they can use
that and who they can use that for. And

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so the other 10% is really with local
funding. And so there might be a need to

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do some additional funding for a
one-time piece to keep some of that

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going. Their biggest push right now is
they really want to work on our

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legislators because mental health code
is not matching up with how they fund

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and how they're doing what they do and
how they organize each of the groups.

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John Roth, uh, Representative Roth did
speak at their meeting recently, which

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is I give him a lot of credit because
many times those representatives don't

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come to those kind of meetings. He is
the head of appropriations for DHHS. So

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he is hearing loud and clear that the
disparity in mental health around

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different counties is quite large and
they want to work on that. I did ask

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they he said we have three months left
before there could be a change in people

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in the House and the Senate. They're
going to do everything they can. I said

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all right well your leadership has
picked three top priorities to fix in

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the next three months. What are those?
and that was not on the list. So, my

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thought that they're going to move much
of that needle in the first three months

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is probably slim, but um at least he
went on record to talk about it. So,

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um the other piece that we're really
seeing when it comes to that and sharing

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is if by chance the county needs to give
something one time that we need to have

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something in return. We hear quite
readily that what we provide in the

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jail, we don't get anymore, but that
comes out of those other pots that they

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can't use the other money for. So, I
think having that conversation um next

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would be important to figure out what
would we want if we would able if we

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were able to give them a little bit more
at one time. That amount of money, what

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is it? 50s something thousand a year,
Jody, is not changed for decades because

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even by state law, those have not been
able to be increased for a while. So,

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there's just a lot of funding struggles
going on in that way. So, um we'll we'll

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look through that. Um I also met with
the sheriff's department. Thank you to

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them who helped me catch up on that
budget review one-on-one. That was extra

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time on your behalf, so I appreciate it.
the um also worked with emergency

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management, their budget review uh and
our prosecuting attorney. So um kudos to

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that attorney's office. The backlog is
gone. They've cleared through that. Even

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the two oldest cases, 23 and 2024, are
done. Um and they've succeeded how many

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cases that they have done year to date
than they did all of last year. So, they

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have really been working hard in that
office to to get things going. So, I

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wanted to give them a shout out. On
September 8th, the 911 Authority Board

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met um some updates on the tower
project. I know just in general,

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sometimes people think those towers are
about cell and that scares people and

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that's not what these towers are for. I
just want people to know that those are

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really for our emergency management
connectivity when things go on in the

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county. So, they're still working
through that. Um the CAD project's about

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a third way through that work. A lot of
back in on Eric's behalf to really think

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about kind of the the verbiage and how
does the net how does all the how do

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they set that up going forward and then
they come and switch it on over here.

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They did complete their state audit and
despite they had not had one in a very

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long time. It hit them at a time we're
doing budget and everything else. Um,

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really the biggest thing was there was
just some verbiage changes that needed

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to be added to our 911 plan and maybe
some AP adjustments, a little bit more

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description on those, but there wasn't
anything alarming that the state said,

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"Okay, you know, you're in trouble." So,
that kudos to that group. Um, and then

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we got an update on the their 2027
budget that we had heard, but she shared

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that with their entire board and kind of
gave them a heads up on what that's

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going to maybe look looking like going
down the path. Um, same night Garish

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Township. Um, so I know we always
celebrate some of our people here too.

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Um, thanks to you guys. But they
celebrated Ralph Roland as the ACT Now

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Community Service Award. He's been
around for a long time. Done a lot of

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things with Trunkor Treat and been a
great volunteer. So they celebrated him.

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Higgins Lake Foundation actually
provided a grant to them for the health

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of Higgins Lake that they're working
through. they approved their L4029

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and um some concerns came up to me post
meeting about our health department and

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that our district's septic codes are
like ancient compared to our surrounding

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districts. So there was concerns on that
maybe we should bring up to our health

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department on why are we not at the same
level at surrounding counties. So I'll

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uh I'll check in on that. Other than
that that's it. Okay, thank you.

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Any public comment?

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Board comment.
Commissioner Wilson.

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» Yes. I'd like to remind everybody
hazardous household waste is this

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Saturday 9 to1 at the county road
commission.

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» Thank you,
Commissioner Mley.

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I won't go into a lot of detail because
I know we talked a little bit today, but

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I just I love when we get those
department head reports. They are very

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very helpful. And uh just to give a few
highlights because I think it's

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important for you guys to know that we
do read them and we do take the time to

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look at the the work that's been done. I
know our sheriff's report some of the

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highest mileage traffic stops and
everything over the last three months

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down a little bit in August. maybe give
you a little bit of a breather, but um

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they still go out there and keep going.
Even though some of that volume in our

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community starts to subside, the other
numbers are still up. Um animal control,

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same numbers, same kind of trend. Some
of those statistics go down, but the

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work that they're doing responding to
people and talking continues to be high.

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Um our controllers report, thank you. um
that um the time that you know our chair

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and I spend on the department budgets
have taken up quite a bit of time dayong

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meetings of going through those but you
were still able to get through all the

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claims that are you know the comp claims
o it issues um spongy moth work the the

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postcards airport stuff you still
maintained all those so I just wanted to

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say thank you um clerk and register of
deeds I don't know how you keep up

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during a um election and the training
that's going on and some of the things

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that you've had to uncover to be better
prepared for this next election. So, I

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even hear good things when I go to the
township meetings that um they are

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pleased with that work. Thank you. Um I
already talked about the prosecuting

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attorney and the work that they've done.
So, that's it. Just thanks to our team.

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» Commissioner Milburn,
>> at the VFW meeting last night, uh Bruce

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Olsson gave me some cool information. It
says uh there's a BFG foundation and

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meta will bring Ray-B band Meta AI
glasses to eligible veterans and active

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duty service members. Cool thing about
this is that is supposed to help them

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navigate everyday life with greater
independence. I've seen a commercial on

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this the other day on TV. So this is
kind of exciting program. I'll keep

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everybody informed as rolls out and on
on this Friday at 8:15 we have a 911

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25th anniversary member ceremony. Our
own Ben Low will be our invocation and

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benediction speaker. Thank you, Madam
Chair.

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» All right. With no further comments,
this meeting would be adjourned and our

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next meeting starts at 10 o'clock.

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» RTA is September 17th.
>> September 17th.

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» Oh, yeah. Any

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Oh, answer.
Thank you.

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» Russ County Board of Commissioners work
session September 9th, 2026 at 10:00

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a.m. First, we have nominations for the
2026 person of the year. Discussion of

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the whole. Um, this is just kind of put
on the radar so that you guys can start

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thinking about it. If everybody, if you
do have somebody that you want to

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nominate, if you can bring them to the
next um meeting,

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that would be great.
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Yep.
And then that way we can have further

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discussion of that and we're able to
vote when we need to vote there. I

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believe it's in October if I'm not
mistaken, isn't it?

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» So generally that's the deadline next
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» to bring the who yeah who you if you
want to nominate somebody.

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Okay.
Um, MSU extension updates.

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» nothing like being right on time.

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» Well, good morning everyone. Um, it's
good to be here again and good to see

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all of you. Um, and other folks in
Roscommen County. As you know, I'm Julie

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Darton. Um, and I'm the now the former
district director for MSU Extension

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District 4 and the current district
director for MSU Extensions District 9,

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which is uh, South. And I'm here to
introduce Dorothy Mun who is taking on

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the role as the interim. And I will let
her give you more of an introduction to

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herself.
>> Hi everyone. Um, my name is Dorothy Mun.

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I am the district 4 um director, the
interrum director and I've been with MSU

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extension for 31 years. I've spent 28 of
those years in based in Ogam County um

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and I have served in a county position,
supervisory position which covered 14

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counties and then most recently as a
policy and risk management educator for

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the entire state with um MSU extension.
So, I'm excited about serving these

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seven counties in District 4 and looking
forward to working with you all.

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» Anybody have any questions or
>> Thank you. I do.

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» Thank you.
>> Sorry. Just a So, it's interim. So, how

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long is it interim? Is this something
you're going to

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» look to stay in or is it just helping
them fill out fill in till Okay.

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» No, I am looking to um to for the
permanent position. The intent as I know

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it right now is to have it be a
permanent position in May. So there'll

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be an interview process, but there's
another vacancy in the south south part

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of the state that they need to fill
first. So um so that process is

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anticipated to be made permanent in May.
>> Welcome. Thank you.

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» Welcome.
>> So Dorothy will be reaching out to folks

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about the the advisory committee. Um Kim
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this board for that role. Um, and we're
also, I'm sure, looking to recruit

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others if we want to have a a range of
experiences, uh, in that in that role.

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Um, and I just want to say again, uh,
how much it's great to be back and and

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thank you for all of your hard work. Um
I've tried to give Dorothy a little bit

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of an update on some of the things we've
shared about, you know, the future

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funding potential for 4 and other
programs, but um she's we have very

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complimentary strengths in terms of
Dorothy's very strategic and and I think

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that will serve this role very well. So
>> thank you very much.

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» Thank you.
>> Welcome to you.

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» Thank you for coming.
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for us as well.

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Community Wildfire Protection Plan. Our
emergency director, Vanessa Verer.

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Good morning.
>> Good morning.

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» Vanessa Varner, emergency management
director, and next to me I have George

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Merceron
from uh

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Ready Lab. We are presenting the
community wildfire protection plan. You

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guys all should have received one of
these amazing binders. Uh do has anybody

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need one or has everybody got theirs or
had a chance to look over it? Okay. Uh

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the presentation that we're going to be
going over was in the front left.

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Perfect. And then the resolution that
we're asking you to approve was Yes.

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Right there. Good job, Kim. Look at you.
You did your homework. All right. So,

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um,
as you all know, I came to you, uh,

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about a year and a half ago asking for
approval to apply for the community

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wildfire defense grant program. Uh,
while we scored very high, we did not

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get approved for that. Uh the Michigan
DNR ultimately ended up approving uh

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$50,000 in local uh well state funds uh
for us to be able to hire uh Tom and

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George to uh complete our plan for us.
Uh what we're presenting today is the

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final project or final product and
for your approval. So

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if I can use this correctly, we'll be
ready to go.

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Maybe

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I see it.
Hey, there we go. All right. So,

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what we are asking you to adopt is the
community wildfire protection plan. This

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is important to us because the uh
wildfire risk has been identified as the

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number one hazard threat for Ross common
county. Uh this is a a tenure framework

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uh that uh builds off of the 2016 plan
that we had. And this 162page document

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can be summed up into
uh identifying where the county is

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exposed to wildfire. uh evaluating
uh what our fire departments and

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partners can do about it and then uh how
we can uh proceed with different actions

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over the next 10 years.
What we need you all to do is adopt this

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plan because our fire chiefs association
that comprise the nine different fire

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departments in the county, they have
already looked at it and said that they

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are in support of it. And then also the
Michigan DNR that is considered our

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forestry partner uh for the county,
they've also accepted it and adopted it.

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So you guys are the the next part of
that.

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So adoption for the county doesn't make
a financial commitment. It doesn't mean

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that we are asking taxpayers to do
anything

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commit to anything at this point in
time. What it simply is saying is that

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we agree that these act actions that
we've identified are all things that

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would be a benefit to our county, to our
residents, that they could ultimately

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reduce the risk of wildfires in the
future if we participated in completing

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these activities. that if we proceed
with completing all of these activities,

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ultimately the benefit would be that our
risk would be reduced. It also allows

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for our fire departments, for our county
uh agencies to be eligible for various

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different state, federal, and local
grant opportunities. Uh the community

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wildfire defense grant that we had
applied for to get this uh plan updated

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also has a different part that is for
completing mitigation activities. That

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is an oper that is something that we
could be eligible for uh is to complete

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those activities. Uh we can also use
this plan and all of the data that's

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been collected and updated to uh to
apply for other funding opportunities.

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our fire departments are allowed to use
the data to apply for different um

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equipment grants. So, it's it's really a
great tool for for various different

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opportunities there. Uh with that said,
I'm going to pass it off to George to be

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able to give you some more information
about the the heart of the plan and all

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the meat and potatoes.
>> Absolutely. Good morning everybody. Um

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so want to talk a little bit about the
methodology, how we got where we are

427
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:46,960
today, uh the inputs to the plan and
where it really started for us is

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understanding the data to really engage
stakeholders and talk through some of

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00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:55,920
the challenges that we saw in terms of
uh exposure. And what I'll start off by

430
00:35:53,599 --> 00:36:01,040
saying is that the risk that we see in
Roscom County around wildfires is is

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relatively low. when we look out west,
it's really 10 to 15 times higher the

432
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:11,040
risk that they're dealing with around
wildfires. Um, however, when we look at

433
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:15,839
the actual exposure properties, um,
whether residential or commercial

434
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:20,640
structures, 97.9%
are in that wildland urban interface or

435
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:24,960
wildland urban intermix. And so, while
the probability is low, if there were a

436
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:29,520
wildfire to take place, there's the
potential for catastrophic loss. Okay.

437
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Um, so what does that mean for you all?
Um, looking at those actual structures

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00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:39,760
within that wildland urban interface
amounts to $4.5 billion in value for the

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00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:44,880
county. And so you think about those
impacts during a disaster, even if it

440
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:50,720
was in a pocket of the community. Um,
the the the reality is that there would

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00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:55,520
be likely some catastrophic impacts. Um,
as we go into the next slides, um, I'll

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00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:58,480
let you know that the concentration, and
this is important for folks in the room

443
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,800
because you can see your districts
represented here. Um, the majority of

444
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,720
the risk is concentrated around your
lake communities. U, we know that

445
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,200
communities want to live near the water
and therefore we see a higher percentage

446
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:16,079
of the population in those areas, which
then presents a secondary risk in that,

447
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,320
um, not only are those homes within that
wildland urban interface, but they're

448
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:25,520
also abudding against the lake. And so
the ability to evacuate those areas and

449
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:30,160
then also for fire apparatus to get into
those areas are really impacted by the

450
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:33,040
environment there. And so as we get into
some of the actions and the

451
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:37,760
recommendations in the plan, what you'll
see is that um a lot of the risk

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,200
reduction is tying in with uh community-
based actions. There are some some

453
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,359
recommendations around equipment
purchases and such. Um, and I don't want

454
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:49,359
to get too far ahead of myself, but
there's a lot that can be do done

455
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:53,040
through education of the community as
well as the folks that are coming into

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:57,280
your community uh for recreational
purposes.

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00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:02,480
Um, so the three lakes are the primary
risk and then Lake Higgins is uh in

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00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:06,000
Garish Township is the single largest
concentration of risk. It's a little

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00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,079
hard to see on the map, but if you
notice there's some red areas that are

460
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:15,040
highlighted. Those are the areas of
particular concern where we see a lot of

461
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:19,280
structures that are erected.
Um so in terms of how we built the plan,

462
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:23,280
we used the mixed methods approach. Um
we used the data to inform our outreach,

463
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,880
but we engaged the entire community. We
started with the fire departments. We

464
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,960
launched on a survey. We followed up
with that followed that with uh key

465
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:34,560
informant interviews to just make sure
that the data what it was telling us

466
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:40,400
aligned with what we were seeing in the
community. And by far and large um the

467
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:44,240
risk that's presented um was reflected
through the fire departments, but more

468
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:49,839
importantly there uh their ability to
respond to fires was was addressed as

469
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:55,760
well. And so um we looked at how their
operational challenges related to

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00:38:51,760 --> 00:39:00,240
equipment to access um to capacity to
support wildfire response in terms of

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00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:04,720
staffing. And so what you'll see in the
plan is each of those kind of challenges

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00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,880
or or issues that were ident identified
by your fire departments are addressed

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00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,320
there in the plan. Um we didn't just
start stop with the fire departments. Um

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,960
one of the requirements that we'll get
to in the later slides. Um this this the

475
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,359
federal requirements around this plan
requires engagement from local all the

476
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:26,480
way up to state. And so some additional
partner agencies that we engaged include

477
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:31,119
included the mission state university
cooperative extension office uh

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:36,240
department of natural resources. We met
with some lake community associations.

479
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,280
Um so all of those and even a private
land owner to get some really good

480
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:43,760
perspective of how that risk is
distributed throughout the community and

481
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:48,079
what that concentration looks like. Um I
also want to applaud your emergency

482
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:51,920
management department. um Vanessa and
her team were able to connect us with a

483
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,839
variety of stakeholders that really
helped to provide some additional detail

484
00:39:53,839 --> 00:40:00,560
into the plan and so it was really
helpful to have kind of that that full

485
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:05,440
picture. And then the last piece of this
um is the public review which um if you

486
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:11,280
don't know we posted a video to the
website for folks to get a full briefing

487
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:15,839
on on the plan so that they understood
that again while the probability for

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00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:20,400
wildfires is low um there's a real
exposure risk and there are some actions

489
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,240
that the community can take to address
those risks. So um we'll talk a little

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00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:28,640
bit about that as we get into the next
slides.

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Um, so how the community responded.
First off, um, like I said, the draft

492
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:37,280
was posted to the website along with a
video. We had an open comment period. By

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00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,000
and large, really good positive feedback
from the community on the plan. Um, but

494
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:46,640
ultimately we used that video as part of
a national night out to really gauge the

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00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:52,079
community, un have gauge their
understanding of wildfire exposure. And

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so um they were able to take a look at
the MAP product, understand where their

497
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:01,920
residence was relative to the risk and
then they were able to rank the actions

498
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:06,640
that were listed in the plan. And so um
while in the plan those items aren't

499
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:10,800
ranked, uh the community has kind of put
forward what their preference is for

500
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:15,839
specific mitigation actions. Yeah,
absolutely. So, uh, when, uh, Martin and

501
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:21,520
I were out at National Night Out, we
asked our residents as they came by and

502
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:25,599
talked with us about, uh, what their
thoughts were about wildfires and if

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00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,240
they felt that they were prepared or if
they felt that they were at risk of

504
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:32,720
wildfires. And a lot of people said,
"Well, maybe, you know, not really." Uh,

505
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:36,640
and I said, you know, will you will you
do me a favor and and put a sticker

506
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:42,240
where your house is on here? And I said
because 98% approximately of of the

507
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,079
households are within this wild wildland
urban interface. Like what does that

508
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:50,480
mean? I said that if you know we did end
up with a wildfire that that your your

509
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,000
residents would be at risk because you
know so you need to make sure that

510
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:58,800
you're helping and working on some of
these mitigation activities. And they're

511
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:04,800
like nah, you know, I don't think I I
don't think it is. And sure enough, I

512
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:10,720
think one in the two place in the two
times that we did this, only one

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00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:15,520
resident had a house outside of that.
So, I mean, yes, we see data, right? And

514
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:22,319
it's always kind of one of those I want
to actually see the data um proven, and

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00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:27,680
it it truly it's there. Our our
residents are within that. Uh, you know,

516
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:30,720
I you guys know I like I like to test
the the boundaries and the limits and

517
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,599
and see if we're we're where we're at
and and it was our people are within

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00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,359
those ranges. Those those red lines,
those orange spots, that's where our

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00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,359
people are.

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00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:47,359
» I'll just say that that dimension of
things really informs the the approach

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00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:54,119
that we have in the plan. So, it's
really good timing to talk about um

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00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,119
Oops, went backwards. Sorry about that.

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00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:01,040
Um, in terms of the mitigation actions
that are recommended in the plan, first

524
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,839
off, starting with the fire department,
understanding there are some real

525
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:10,400
capacity gaps. You guys have a volunteer
fire fire department base and their

526
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:16,480
ability to recruit is is challenging.
Um, this is a a primarily an an aging

527
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:21,359
community. Um, there's not a lot of
able-bodied folks to join the force. And

528
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:26,400
so um when we look at some of the
actions first and foremost focused on

529
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:30,079
the capacity issues that exist here. Um
beyond that um there was a lot of

530
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,240
discussion around access to water
supplies. Even with uh the fact that you

531
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,640
guys do have large water bodies the
ability to access those water bodies was

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00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:43,280
challenging. And relative to that, the
apparatus to get into those areas to

533
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:48,000
access the water, to access the uh the
structures that may be on fire, um also

534
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:53,280
represented in the discussions across
the board with stakeholders that we've

535
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:57,440
discussed um this project with. Um what
you'll notice is that the majority of

536
00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:02,160
actions are tied to fire adapted
communities and this goes back to that

537
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:07,200
community education piece in that a lot
of the risk is really concentrated on

538
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,040
private properties. And so um when we
look at the fire adapted communities

539
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:16,079
approach um is looking at things like
defensible space and and home hardening

540
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:20,000
and how do we pres protect residences
because there's this assumption when we

541
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:24,800
look out west of wildfires coming
through as a wall of flame. But indeed

542
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:30,079
the real risk is an ember that can fly
miles away from the fire, land close to

543
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:35,359
a home, um catch that vegetation on fire
and the home becomes a flame. And so um

544
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:39,760
beyond that um we are looking at
firewise communities. You all did have

545
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:45,119
some firewise communities in the past.
Um some of those have all of them have

546
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,720
gone away. And so you know through this
plan we're looking at how do we bring

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00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:54,800
those back online in the places that
would benefit most from those. Um the

548
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:58,480
other piece is you have both seasonal
homeowners that don't live in the area

549
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,000
and when they return into the area they
may return after the fire risk has

550
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,160
already gone away. And so how do we
message homeowners to clean their

551
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:11,200
properties while they're away in order
to protect their homes and and otherwise

552
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:15,359
protect the community? Um similar to
that, you also have seasonal folks that

553
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:20,480
are coming into the community for
recreation purpose purposes. And there

554
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:25,280
has been some communications campaigns
that reach that community. Um, however,

555
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:30,400
this is probably the largest source of
community ignition of fires is is that

556
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:35,680
recreational activity, whether it's ATVs
or small campfires that aren't uh

557
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:40,720
completely put out. Um, and so there is
a strategy that um has been put in

558
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,160
place, but um and then we get to
funding, you'll find that a lot of these

559
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,640
communication strategies are probably
the lowest hanging fruit in terms of

560
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:53,040
cost and impact. Um so we'll talk about
that in a moment as well. Um, moving

561
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:58,480
over to resilient landscapes. These are
areas for partnership between the county

562
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:03,040
and state uh DNR as well as the fire
departments to look at fire lines around

563
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:08,240
the community. I remember meeting with
Richfield and their fire chief and and

564
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:13,200
sheriff, one person running that whole
shop and you mentioned the school that's

565
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:17,920
there, Charles H School, right up
against the forest line. Um and so we

566
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:22,240
spoke about fire lines and how do we
mitigate fires in that area and at one

567
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,040
point there was a fire wise community
there as well. And so when we look at

568
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:31,920
fuel brakes, uh fuel reduction,
prescribed fires, um these are all areas

569
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:36,720
for coordination with our partners to
really reduce that risk in the

570
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:41,200
surrounding landscape. And then the last
piece, this is uh a novel addition

571
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:45,119
compared to the 2016 plan, which is
really overlaying some governance on the

572
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,440
document to make sure that we're
reviewing the plan regularly if there's

573
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,920
an incident to revisit that plan and
make sure that the actions align with

574
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:58,160
the evolving threat. Um at the same
time, uh pursuing funding. And so what

575
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,000
you'll find with this plan in terms of
plan maintenance is that while the

576
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:08,319
previous plan didn't really tie in with
stakeholders or have strong timelines or

577
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:14,720
funding tied to those individual actions
and really a big reason why those that

578
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:18,720
plan didn't um have the level of success
that I think this plan will ultimately

579
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:24,200
bring to the community um had to do with
some of the tracking and governance

580
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,200
mechanisms that we've built in here.

581
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,960
Oh,
>> I know it's

582
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:32,319
» going the wrong way. It's
counterintuitive. Um, so how the actions

583
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:35,599
get funded, as Vanessa mentioned, there
there's no funding obligation around

584
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:40,880
this. Rather, there's funding
opportunities. And so by completing this

585
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:46,480
plan, you're eligible for funding source
for funding through uh the US Forest

586
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:50,240
Service, for example, through uh FEMA,
through some additional programs, as

587
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:55,119
well as through m Michigan Department of
Natural Resources, which Vanessa spoke

588
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:59,680
to. Um, honestly though, when we talk
about the education of the community,

589
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:04,560
when we talk about printing and mailing
and having somebody at a community

590
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:09,440
event, um, these are low cost. 5,000 to
$15,000 is what we're estimating on some

591
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:13,119
of these projects and actions uh to make
a presence in the community and do

592
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:18,000
exactly what we've done as Vanessa's
done uh with the the night out with the

593
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:22,640
community. Um, so this helps amplify the
message and even go out to folks that

594
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:27,280
may not be in the community year round.
Um so the plan what you'll find is uh

595
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,720
again with those larger actions there
are there is some grant funding to

596
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,640
support equipment purchases to help with
some of the capacity issues. Uh

597
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,800
ultimately in the plan all of those
funding opportunities are tied back to

598
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:44,240
the actions and there's a champion
identified. So as we look at plan

599
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:47,920
maintenance if I'm going okay um what
we'll be looking at is an an annual

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00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,920
review. So those stakeholders that are
identified, we can ensure that there's

601
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:56,160
there's progress and if there isn't, we
can support to make sure that, you know,

602
00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:00,640
the support is provided around applying
for grants or uh tracking progress

603
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:05,040
around any of the efforts that are being
identified. Um we're proposing a

604
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:09,839
five-year update. 10 years is a long
time and a lot changes in five years. I

605
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:14,800
look at um you know, your one of your
larger fires was in 2004 2005, the Boyce

606
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,000
fire. And so if you have a situation
like that within five years, we want to

607
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:23,839
have the opportunity to update the plan
before we get to that 10-year mark. Um

608
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,760
ultimately those would trigger early
revisions. If you find areas where

609
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:32,640
additional action is needed or there
needs some refinement, um this process

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00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:36,559
allows you to get to that before you're
10 years out. And again, you know, you

611
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:41,839
you you haven't seen the progress that
you've otherwise expected. So all of

612
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:46,160
this is different from the 2016 plan.
And I'll tell you whether it's uh

613
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:50,160
afteraction reports or or other plans,
the accountability piece is really what

614
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:56,480
drives this plan home is going to bring
results to your community. Um so with

615
00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:01,680
that um you know put this request in
front of the board. I'll turn it over to

616
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:06,400
Vanessa and kind of close us out here.
you know, as I always come to you guys

617
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:12,960
and and present various different
things, uh the big part with this is is

618
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:20,800
truly going to be continuing to keep our
stakeholders engaged. Uh the the issue

619
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that that we had with this past plan was
that it became a paper weight on a

620
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:33,680
shelf.
Okay. Um I don't want to see that happen

621
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with this. Uh we have a lot of agencies
that are interested that want to do

622
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:45,119
this. Uh we've got some new people in
different positions within fire

623
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:53,520
departments that that want to be engaged
that want to incite some some education

624
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:58,960
and change within uh our community. So I
think we're at a great spot. Um, I love

625
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,599
the annual review part of this where I
can bring this to you all and let you

626
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:06,880
know where we're at with things. Uh, not
just to my local planning team and say,

627
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:11,680
"Hey, I've looked at this. This is where
we're at." It will come before you guys.

628
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:15,599
Uh, I also feel it's important to take
this to our township. So whether I do a

629
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:20,000
road show every year and say, "Hey guys,
this is where we're at." or I do a

630
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:26,480
mailing. I guess I it's something I can
discuss with uh chairperson sensor and

631
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:29,760
Jody and and let you guys know. Uh but
you know, I think that it's important

632
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:36,079
that we keep all of our stakeholders
engaged in that process because, you

633
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:41,760
know, having not having a countywide
building department, uh a lot of the

634
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:46,559
mitigation activities, uh some of the
zoning regulations and stuff like that.

635
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:53,599
I know that there are some areas where
there's a requirement that a firewise

636
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:58,000
assessment per se or education component
be done before a building permits

637
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:01,520
issued. Um you know some there's some
places that have those sorts of

638
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:05,200
ordinances. So that there's various
different things that can be done to

639
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,440
help create that more resilient educated
community. Uh,

640
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:15,440
and I'm not saying that that's something
that has to be done, but it's just ways

641
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:22,079
that we can assist our community. Uh,
and again, this boils down to I just

642
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:29,520
need you all to adopt the resolution so
that we can uh proceed with this plan.

643
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:34,400
Uh, I think that this is light years
ahead of where we were at with our 2016

644
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:42,640
version. uh the
data that's been collected, the maps are

645
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:45,640
uh old. In my opinion,
there's

646
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:53,359
I don't think that there's anything that
isn't representative of our community in

647
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:56,599
this. So, you guys have any questions
for us?

648
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,760
Obviously,
I've been a little closer to this

649
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:12,960
working with you on your board there.
Um,

650
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,680
one, your RTA group for presentations to
go back because then you'll have all

651
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:18,960
those township people hopefully.
>> Good idea. Thank you.

652
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:23,119
» Is a instead of sometimes the road shows
are timeconuming, but you may have to go

653
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:27,599
to some, but I think that group is a
really great group because they listen

654
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:33,359
to this part originally. So, that
followup I think would be very, very

655
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:38,880
helpful. Um, so part of this I'd like to
say as well, it is definitely different

656
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:43,920
than that 2016 one. I think the
accountability, the followup, so it

657
00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:48,319
doesn't sit on a shelf. You hate to even
if it was grant money, you hate to use

658
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:52,880
that money and it just sits somewhere.
But I also believe that I think this is

659
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:58,720
important for our township and our fire
departments. And if I'm not mistaken,

660
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:02,240
some are more engaged than others. Um, I
know there had to be an inventory, if

661
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:07,680
I'm not mistaken, done, which you had
been begging for for a while. Seems like

662
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:11,920
this action got you that information. Is
that a is that a correct statement? So,

663
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:17,040
that's complete.
Is it a true statement that maybe this

664
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:22,960
is engaging them more to say we all all
of our township fire departments are

665
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:26,160
saying I'm on it and willing to engage
because I think that's going to be the a

666
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,480
big piece to make sure that they all
want to do it. Yes, ma'am.

667
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,680
» That true?
>> Yes, ma'am.

668
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,720
» Struggles on that right now or is it
better?

669
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,800
» Progress has been made.
>> Progress has been made. Still work to be

670
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,240
done.
>> Yes, ma'am. To

671
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:45,200
» help with them.
>> Yeah,

672
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:50,040
» that's those are just a few questions I
had, but nice presentation. Thank you.

673
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:09,839
homes and businesses. It's
a lot

674
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:16,400
» and all of the maps are GIS layers that
we have as

675
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,400
assets for the county.

676
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:23,359
So this can go this resolution
the next meeting. Next

677
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,640
» regular meeting.
>> Okay.

678
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,480
» Yeah.
>> Yep.

679
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:32,960
» Everything has to be wrapped up with the
grant and funding by the end of the

680
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,440
month. So
>> we're within the timelines.

681
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,920
» Are we okay?
>> Okay. Good.

682
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:42,319
» Good.
>> We'll make sure to have that. Thank you.

683
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,319
Am I okay to excuse them?
>> Absolutely.

684
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,760
It's all good.

685
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,200
» Next, we have the L4029

686
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:06,520
tax rate request including winter 2026
from our equalization director, Jamie

687
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Hzerman.

688
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Thank you.

689
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:24,440
for some exciting tax stuff.
All right,

690
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:31,920
good morning uh honorable members of the
board of commission for us common

691
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:37,839
county. As you know, I am Jamie
Howerman, your equalization director.

692
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:44,720
In front of you today is the state tax
commission L429

693
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:49,680
which is your tax rate request.
This form has been updated since the

694
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:53,000
summer levy occurred and now includes
the winter.

695
00:56:54,160 --> 00:57:00,880
As you will recall from previous
discussions on this reporting, it is

696
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,640
very much so a statement of
transparency.

697
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:08,799
um all of the information on it is
information that you've seen in the

698
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:14,400
past. It's just now being presented in a
format to order the um collection.

699
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:19,359
So the first thing you'll note is the
taxable value in the top right hand

700
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:24,960
corner as we talked about in the summer.
It is not the same taxable value number

701
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:32,640
that you saw when you did county
equalization in April. That number has

702
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:38,960
been reduced by about $23 million to
account for uh properties that we do not

703
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:45,119
collect tax dollars on. Those include
disabled veteran exemptions and senior

704
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:51,280
pilt housing.
From there, you'll see each of the

705
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:58,960
columns along the top uh that represent
each of the categories. uh column two

706
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:05,119
being how the tax levy was generated.
The vast major actually every single one

707
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:10,559
of these um was generated via a property
tax um I'm sorry a tax vote of the

708
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:15,760
people
and so therefore all of the funds that

709
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:22,720
you're collecting were already vetted by
and approved by the the local voters.

710
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:28,799
The sec or that third column tells you
the year in which those voters approved

711
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:36,960
that collection. You'll note towards the
bottom, the last four were approved in

712
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:42,799
August of 2026 to be collected yet this
year. Um, those are all funds that

713
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:47,200
you've collected in the past.
That next column shows you the original

714
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:53,839
collected amount that the voters
approved. The column after that, column

715
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:58,960
five, shows you the Headley reduction
for the fact that you cannot collect

716
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:03,680
more dollars than the taxpayers approve.
That's why millages get rolled back

717
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:09,119
through that Headley amendment.
Column six shows you the mill reduction

718
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:14,799
fraction you're required to um follow
through with for this year. Um note that

719
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:19,599
the newest of the millages, those last
four, do not have a reduction fraction.

720
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:24,640
That's because the voters approved those
dollars this year. Therefore, no

721
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:30,240
reduction is necessary.
Moving all the way over, column 11 is

722
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,960
the recommended rate for collection.
You'll note that in every one of those

723
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:41,599
line items, it matches column 9, which
is the maximum amount to be levied. It's

724
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:46,880
very much so our recommendation to um to
fulfill your budgeted commitments that

725
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:52,799
you would levy the total um that is that
is approved by the voters. That last

726
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:58,079
column tells you the expiration dates of
these each of those millages. Um as

727
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:01,839
you'll note, there are no expirations
for for the remainder of this year.

728
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:06,880
However, there will be some that you
will look at for next year.

729
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:12,559
Um
let's see this form was compiled under

730
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:20,480
the provisions of Michigan compiled law
211.24E 24E which is truth in taxation.

731
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:27,920
MCL 211.34
which is truth in county equalization

732
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:34,079
and truth in assessing MCL 21134D
which is that Headley amendment and MCL

733
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:38,760
211.37 aortionment.
Do you have questions for me?

734
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:49,839
» Does anybody have any questions?
One of the followups that I could help

735
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:55,440
you with, in May, we discussed um the
uncertainty of the um price of

736
01:00:52,720 --> 01:01:04,000
consumable goods and how that may or may
not impact your uh your inflation rate

737
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:08,480
for 2027. Inflation rate for 27, as you
know, very much so is on your minds as

738
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:13,839
you're looking at budgeting. And so in
that aspect I can tell you that in May

739
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:19,200
when we discussed this um my opinion at
that time was approximately a 3% to a

740
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:24,720
3.8%
inflation rate multiplier.

741
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:30,000
Um I also told you at that point that
the price of gasoline at the pump if it

742
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:34,000
fluctuated much this summer would
indicate that higher amount versus the

743
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,839
lower.
That said, our consumers did see a

744
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:45,520
little bit of an increase that was tax
related um not not inflation related and

745
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:50,000
as such ultimately what we saw is with
just two months left to be collected in

746
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:57,119
this cycle um I believe you'll be
looking at a flat 3% potentially 3.1%

747
01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:04,160
inflation rate multiplier.
Um, the next of their series comes out

748
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:11,359
on uh September 16th, 8:30 in the
morning. The US Bureau of Labor and

749
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:16,000
Statistics. If that number is a a 233 or
greater, I'm going to say you'll be at

750
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:20,559
3.1. Um, please reach out to me if you
need to know that number um after that

751
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:26,000
September 16th and I can get you that as
solid. Um that said, that should give

752
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:32,559
you enough for budgeting purposes um
going forward at that 3 to 3.1% mark. Um

753
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:37,559
did you have questions beyond that that
I might help with?

754
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,559
» Yes.

755
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:50,640
» Correct. So, so ultimately our voters
get to look at millage questions when

756
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:55,359
they go to the polls and those millage
questions will let them know whether

757
01:02:52,799 --> 01:03:00,000
this has been expired and it's something
that they've already seen in the past or

758
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:05,520
if it's a new millage to them. I can
tell you in each of these cases, those

759
01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:10,799
were expired millages um that in order
to continue those programs, our voters

760
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:17,359
wanted those overwhelmingly actually and
approved those millages. And that's why

761
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:19,200
you're seeing those on there again.
>> Correct.

762
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:23,280
» Well, they're they're not subject to
headly roll back because they're being

763
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:28,400
collected the year that they were
approved in. And so there's been no

764
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:31,799
movement in those numbers is why there's
no roll back.

765
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:44,640
» There is. And that's why you'll actually
see where um the road millillage for

766
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:48,880
example um which is the county road
maintenance program that's a countywide

767
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:56,160
through our through our Roscom County
road commission is a it was approved by

768
01:03:52,559 --> 01:04:00,480
the voters at a 4760.
Uh that was not their original

769
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:06,160
millillage when this when this election
or when this this item first started.

770
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:12,000
They were probably at a 0.5 um many
years ago. So, so when they asked for a

771
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:17,119
renewal, they're asking for a renewal of
just what they were already reduced to

772
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:21,039
through the Headley amendment. That
said, some of our programs, as you know,

773
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:26,400
cannot function on what they're being
originally approved at um because of the

774
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:30,799
changes in our world. Um changes in
security, changes in technology, this

775
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:34,400
type of thing, inflation. Um and in
those cases, we're going back to the

776
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:38,720
voters and we're not asking just for a
straight renewal. We're asking for

777
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:44,079
renewal and an increase back to that
original millillage rate. And then you

778
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:49,039
saw that in the 911 and in the um
sheriff's department road patrol

779
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:54,160
millages. Um that's not what you saw in
the um in the uh county road maintenance

780
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:58,440
or the veterans. In those cases, they
were able to maintain on what they had.

781
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:05,960
» Any other questions for me?
>> Yes.

782
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:14,000
I appreciate you. Okay,
>> chair. Sorry, quick question, too. Um,

783
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:18,880
so the townships have to send this
similar form to you by the end of

784
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:25,839
October. Does that change any of this or
is that just for township collection?

785
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:30,400
» So, so we we uh govern for for you for
for your for your commission for for you

786
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:35,359
as commissioners. My office governs for
you the data collection piece of each of

787
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:41,200
those local municipalities that you were
talking about. And so each township, the

788
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:46,880
village, uh let's see, there's uh Home
Lake Ambulance Authority, there's some

789
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:52,559
uh there's some schools, there's some uh
libraries, uh th those types of of

790
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:56,720
municipalities each report to us what
they want to collect on their tax rate

791
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,520
request form just like you're looking
at. it doesn't impact what we do. The

792
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:06,559
next piece of that that you see come out
of my office will be in the in the month

793
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:12,079
of October. We go into the aortionment
process. That's where we take each of

794
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:16,720
those 4029 tax rate requests, compile
those together. You look at those in

795
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,839
totality, and then you as a board of
commissioners say, "Yes, these are

796
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:25,359
approvable to be collected or no,
they're not." And all of that done under

797
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:29,200
the guise of of legal compliance. And I
can tell you at this point we're headed

798
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,359
towards um being legally compliant to do
that. So I don't see an issue.

799
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:36,559
» Thank you.
>> You're welcome. The only other question

800
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:41,119
you occasionally ask me about um
involves some work that I do with your

801
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:46,400
county clerk and that is whether or not
there's elections in a current year that

802
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:50,480
still want to be collected in that year.
I can tell you that I did get with your

803
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:55,359
county clerk, Michelle Stevenson, and
she did let me know that there are no

804
01:06:52,480 --> 01:07:00,720
millages um that the voters are looking
at at November that still want to be

805
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:04,720
collected this year. Um there's one
millillage question, I believe, that

806
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:08,799
will be on our ballot involving H Hotton
Lake Community Schools and it would be a

807
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:13,680
2027
collection item if it were approved. So,

808
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:18,480
so for that, we won't be revisiting
this. There are years where you'll see

809
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:25,200
where we'll revisit the 4029 because we
need to based on what we're looking at

810
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:29,760
at November um questions.
Okay. Well, with that then I

811
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:36,079
respectfully request that the following
motion be adopted at the September 23rd,

812
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:41,119
2026 regular meeting of the board of
commission.

813
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:47,440
A motion to levy the ad valorum tax
rates for Ross Common County for 2026

814
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:59,599
for the winter tax levy.
E911 at 1 mil road patrol 1.5 mills

815
01:07:53,599 --> 01:08:05,359
senior services 9252 mills gypsy moth
which is now spongy moth.2413

816
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:17,839
2413 mills
animal shelter 3790 mills veterans

817
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:24,000
1588 mills road maintenance 4760
mills and emergency management

818
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:32,080
009
65 mills and I'd also ask that you would

819
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:41,159
authorize chairperson m darling sensor
and county clerk Michelle Stevenson to

820
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:41,159
then sign your L4029 tax rate request.

821
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:47,239
» All right. Thank you.

822
01:08:54,000 --> 01:09:01,120
» Okay.
Next, we have the sale contract of the

823
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:06,400
annex building to the Northern Michigan
Children's Assessment Center, our

824
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:14,080
administrator, controller.
This is the initial draft of finally

825
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:19,359
moving forward with the sale of the
annex property next door to the Northern

826
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:24,719
Michigan Children's Assessment Center.
Um, this would be our draft is of a

827
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:30,159
proposal to them. Um, it is a first
draft because obviously I need board

828
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:35,279
guidance and direction on um, where you
would like to see this document go. We

829
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:41,120
do obviously own the property outright.
Um, the purchase price of the property

830
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:46,480
is based on the average commercial value
per square foot. Um, so that is I'll

831
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:49,480
have to zoom back up to it again.
$859,460.

832
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:59,440
That building is roughly 14,000 square
feet. Um we do currently have in about

833
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:04,560
1,400 square feet the emergency
management operation center that

834
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:11,199
operates um through this annex building
as a part of this sale. Um we need to

835
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:17,920
figure in what a leaseback option looks
like. Um so basically a lease back in

836
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:23,040
kind of the purchase price.
That is really probably the biggest area

837
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:27,679
that I think guidance is needed. Um, but
I know that there will be questions,

838
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:32,640
comments from you. So, I'm I'm here to
get those. Um, their board meets at the

839
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:39,199
end of September. So, if we could have
that second draft available to them for

840
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:44,480
them to review then, um, that would be
great.

841
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:49,120
» Yes.
>> Originally, we thought we could sell

842
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:54,080
this for
This is

843
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,080
sell it for a fair market value. I
assume

844
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,280
price

845
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:08,480
offset by the rental.
>> Yes.

846
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:13,760
» There's 19,460
left. I assume that was for surveys and

847
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,760
documentation and everything.
>> Yes.

848
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:23,920
» Um lease
is for five years and unless it's for

849
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:31,040
life lease
after five years we could be stuck with

850
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:34,000
paying a lease like 168,000.
So that's something that we need to

851
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,320
address as a board
>> in my opinion.

852
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:43,199
» Okay.
>> Okay.

853
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:50,560
the
the the lease for five years at 168,000

854
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:57,800
» just off is not only do we get use of
the building but it offsets the purchase

855
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,800
price

856
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:04,640
but the lease agreement is only for five
years.

857
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:09,760
At the end of five years, someone could
come along and say, "Hey, your lease is

858
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:18,560
168,000 a year,
unless we have a life lease or a lease

859
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:22,239
for the term of us using it for that
purpose."

860
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:28,719
» So, you'd like to see that you'd like to
see adjustment to include that as a life

861
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:31,040
lease or as the inind lease?
>> Well,

862
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:34,640
» I mean, I I think that's totally
completely up to you. as long as

863
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,480
emergency management wants to use the
building.

864
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:41,080
» Yeah.
>> You know,

865
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,080
» I like your verbage that you just

866
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:51,920
» as long as Yeah. We still need the use
of that

867
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:56,480
» term. Yeah. T term of usage because I
don't know.

868
01:12:53,440 --> 01:13:01,040
» Are we really concerned about once if
emergency management decides it no

869
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:04,239
longer needs that? Are we really
concerned about keeping that portion of

870
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:08,719
that,
>> you know, tied up?

871
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:13,520
» I mean, that's shortsighted for me to
judge that far down the road, but I

872
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:17,600
don't see that that place would provide
any other value other than them having

873
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,719
that as that command center and a
separate entrance and that

874
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:24,239
» I mean, there's a purpose for it being
where it's at. So,

875
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:28,000
» and and that was the whole intent of all
this is being able to keep emergency

876
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:32,640
management there
>> through this process and and and once

877
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:37,920
we've achieve that goal, should they
decide they no longer need it, then I

878
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:42,320
don't think we should tie somebody's
hands with it.

879
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:48,480
» I can absolutely make that adjustment,
>> but I don't think we should be open to

880
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:51,280
additional lease payments after five
years,

881
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,440
» right?
I like that.

882
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:02,400
» And Jody, if I'm not mistaken, like
right now the county, we pay for phones,

883
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:06,719
we pay for it, we pay for all of that,
>> these building and grounds, all of that.

884
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:11,679
» Yes. Y
>> So when this goes through,

885
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:15,840
they would be responsible for their
portion. It would still fall under us.

886
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:22,560
» Yes, that is correct.
>> Okay. And if emergency management

887
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:28,159
decides they don't need it, we need to
wash our hands of the IT part.

888
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:32,560
» That would be correct.
>> My only other question is,

889
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:38,000
are they going to pay us this in one
lump sum and we're going to pay 168,000

890
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:43,800
every year for five years or how that's
going to work?

891
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,800
» We're going to shake hands.

892
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,000
You might want to explain that a little
bit more because it sounds

893
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:59,360
» it will be a paper payment and it will
be payment on paper. So essentially what

894
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:04,440
it would be is if you're going to have a
license life lease for 859,

895
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:15,440
whatever the total was 859460.
So essentially the sale of the building

896
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:19,280
for the sale price of 859460
is going to be

897
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:24,080
» a wash
>> a wash with the inkind. Uh

898
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,159
» so we're going to pay the lease up
front.

899
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:33,280
» Correct. We're paying up front
>> and then a check for 19,460

900
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:37,600
will be issued to Roscom County
>> hopefully. Yes.

901
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:41,520
» Okay.
>> Okay. I'm I'm lost. I'll just say it.

902
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,920
Can you go?
>> Well, so the actual and and so if we're

903
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:49,440
going for and this would just be my kind
of my question to the board as a whole.

904
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:57,280
So, if we're going to take the 859460,
which is the fair market value price,

905
01:15:52,480 --> 01:16:05,840
um, and are we going to ask then for a
totality of for that total cost

906
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:10,800
um, for fair market value in exchange
instead of asking for the difference

907
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:16,880
back, that will be lease of that
property for emergency management

908
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:20,159
um, for as long as Roscommen County is
in need

909
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:25,120
instead of asking for money. So, it
would be an even trade at that point, I

910
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:28,320
think, versus a 5-year lease with
there's some money left over they have

911
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:30,480
to cut us a check for. So,
>> there's a 19,000

912
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:36,520
» difference
>> difference, but it costs money to have

913
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,520
it surveyed. And

914
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,360
» got it.

915
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:48,640
Well, this really stems from we cannot
say basically we're going to give this

916
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,280
to you for a dollar.
>> Correct.

917
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:56,800
» That's not the way it's legally done.
This is to show this is how much we

918
01:16:53,840 --> 01:17:00,239
contribute to your organization as an
inind.

919
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:05,760
This building now will be yours, but
you're going to take care of all your

920
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,199
your electric, your phone, you know,
your IT. You're going to do that all on

921
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:15,199
your own. we get to keep this portion
and we'll deduct that amount from that

922
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:19,360
bigger dollar basically because there's
no money exchange. It's just this is how

923
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:21,120
this works in order for you to be able
to have that property.

924
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:26,000
» Correct.
>> Okay.

925
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:29,360
» Got it. I do like the inclusion of the
the text that

926
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:33,360
» as long as we still need that.
>> Is this a warranty deed or how is the

927
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:39,600
deed
>> that'll be the determination

928
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:44,040
» of the attorneys? Yes.
>> Odds are it will be a warranty deed.

929
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,920
» I'm good.
>> Okay.

930
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:54,640
I would say that if there's anything
else that comes up as you continue to

931
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:59,199
look through this that you want seen,
make sure you get that information to

932
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:04,320
Jod ASAP
so that

933
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:09,719
when it comes time to
deliver this, he's able to do so.

934
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:28,080
Which
>> Oh, just making sure that that we have

935
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:33,040
the
language correct that

936
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,920
» long as we need that facility for
emergency management. Yeah. Because

937
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:41,840
that's what Rex had brought up too.
>> Y yeah.

938
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:46,040
» Okay. Any other questions or comments
for Jody?

939
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,040
» Okay.

940
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:00,800
» Um, last but not least, we have the
allocation of fund balance overage, our

941
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:04,640
administrator controller. So, obviously,
I'll just do the brief introduction of

942
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:09,840
the document that I um had prepared for
you, and then it'll be up to you guys to

943
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:16,239
decide what you'd like to do. Um we
currently have um our cash available of

944
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:20,640
$66959.90
maybe a little bit more now just because

945
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:26,560
of interest as it's acred um but at the
time the document was prepared our fund

946
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:29,560
balance overage from the general fund is
800,14715

947
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:42,960
so we have a total funding pool
available of 1,46110705

948
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:48,000
five um for the board to determine where
where that could potentially move

949
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:52,640
forward per your policy. Um obviously
the 6609590

950
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:58,719
is already in fund 401 that is already
cash in the bank in the capital um

951
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:05,040
capital improvements fund capital
projects fund. So there were several

952
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:10,960
project proposals that have been brought
forward. Um one of which

953
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:16,800
two of which that have already been
voted on and approved by this board. The

954
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:24,480
server of replacement which was voted on
that has that has already been approved

955
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:29,760
um today at the earlier meeting. The
other portion of this, the largest chunk

956
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:36,239
is the boiler upgrade and replace
replacement for the 56424

957
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:42,400
and then along with that the building
systems control of 37495.

958
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:50,480
So those three items um the board has
already chosen to allocate funding for

959
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:57,120
that. Um there then remain um the BSNA
cloud initial contract payment the

960
01:20:53,679 --> 01:21:04,560
aerial imagery which um I know you'll
have questions on the HSA set aside

961
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:10,480
which the discussion last meeting was
looking at roughly 200,000 for a set

962
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:17,199
aside for that um set aside of 50,000
for the child care fund balance buildup

963
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:22,880
a sidewalk replacement project for the
rest of the building. Um, which is

964
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:31,199
probably roughly 3 fifths of the
building. Um, estimated maybe 32,000 and

965
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:37,120
then the final BSNA cloud payment in
2028 of 54,150.

966
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:41,600
Um so those are all
available options that have been

967
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:47,120
proposed um through our department head
meetings to bring to the board for

968
01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:53,840
consideration in future capital
planning. Um not all of them would need

969
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:58,400
to have decisions made today but that is
um kind of the matrix that I put

970
01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:04,560
together for you to be able to use move
around um to make those discussions and

971
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,960
decisions.
Madam Chair,

972
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:13,120
» yes.
>> Does this fully fund every employees

973
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:19,920
HSA?
>> Um, it would be for the 200,000 it would

974
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:25,639
be slightly short. Um, probably about
12,500

975
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:25,639
for 2028.

976
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,560
2027 27
>> 2027

977
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:36,880
is being budgeted for full funding
currently. So successfully so far.

978
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:38,880
» Yes.
>> This is for 2028.

979
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:42,159
» Yes.
>> Okay.

980
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:45,159
» Yeah. You'd be locking it up in 2026 for
2028.

981
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:51,360
» 200 slightly shy.
>> The 200 is slightly shy. That was just

982
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:55,440
the number that was thrown out at the
last meeting. So I plugged that in.

983
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:59,280
» But you think it might be more? Yes, it
will be more.

984
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:02,960
» Well, it depends on what insurance we
wind up with.

985
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:06,360
» No, because the HSA funding model will
stay the same.

986
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,080
» Yes.

987
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,120
That's all the questions I have.

988
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:43,199
» So Jody, the basically out of that.
So we do we need to the 3224805.

989
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:47,679
Do we still need to allocate that or is
this all broken up? the that 800,000 is

990
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:53,840
this all broken up?
>> So the 32214805

991
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:57,760
um would be I'll call that leftover from
the projects that have been asked for.

992
01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:03,199
So that that's unallocated um and could
be simply put towards your future

993
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:10,960
» put towards the capital budget plan. Um,
I think my biggest my biggest thought

994
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:15,440
was what information um in order to make
some final decisions, what information

995
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:22,000
would the board still like
to move that forward? Um, are there any

996
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:27,679
of the I know in speaking with our
treasurer um the bid for the BSNA cloud

997
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:33,679
we actually have to send that initial
payment in um by October 1st. So, that

998
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,880
would be one um that we'd kind of need
to know a yes or a no on by the

999
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,440
September meeting.
>> Okay.

1000
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:45,199
» September 23rd meeting
>> um to move forward um so I can update

1001
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:48,000
but I can update this with the server
replacements as well. But looking at

1002
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:54,159
those different projects that are out
there um I'm going to guess Commissioner

1003
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:59,520
um Wolson would like a a final number
for HSA what that actual number is. I

1004
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:05,360
don't care what the actual number is as
long as it's fully funded,

1005
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:10,239
» right? So, which is easy enough. Um, but
what other information might you need in

1006
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:14,400
order to make decisions? Um, and
obviously not all of these require a

1007
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:16,960
decision immediately.
>> So,

1008
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:20,480
Madam Chair,
>> yes.

1009
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:24,239
» Can we look at that BSNA cloud because I
do know that is pretty quick. We need to

1010
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:28,159
do it. We need to get that initial.
>> We need a motion next.

1011
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:34,320
» We We do. So if I remember my notes
because this the 248.90

1012
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,480
is the initial start I'll say a down
payment got to get started.

1013
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:40,159
» Exactly.
>> Yes.

1014
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:45,280
» I have notes that al in 2028
84,000

1015
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:52,239
once they've done completion in training
another 54,000

1016
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:55,760
and an annual amount for say just having
it is 84. Did I

1017
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,679
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, we have budgeted in that

1018
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:06,159
84,000 which will continue to be the
annual amount. Um, the three departments

1019
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:10,639
that will be affected by that change and
increase um which are the administrator

1020
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:15,199
controllers's office, the treasur's
office and equalization. Um, we have

1021
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:19,360
budgeted in in our forecasted budgets
for 28 and 29 that 84,000.

1022
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:22,239
» So,
>> all right.

1023
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,360
» That's a maintenance fee is
>> that will be a maintenance fee moving

1024
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:27,040
forward. Correct. Mhm.
>> We picked this one.

1025
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:31,600
» Mhm.
>> We're going to need to put the 24890 out

1026
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:35,120
of this capital. We we we need to select
that as one of the ones that we

1027
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:40,560
» That is what we were asking for. Yes.
>> And then where does that other 84,000

1028
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:45,199
and the completion have to go? Are those
built in?

1029
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:50,800
» So the 84,000 is the 84,000 is built
into um the 84,000 is built into the

1030
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:54,639
2028 and 2029 budget. So those will be
ongoing budget increases.

1031
01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:58,560
» Okay. Um
>> the 54 for completion and training. Is

1032
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:03,040
that going to need to come out of this
budget or this bucket?

1033
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:09,040
» The 54,000.
>> The 54,000. So the 54,000 could come out

1034
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:12,080
of this bucket. It's not due until 2028.
>> Okay.

1035
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:16,480
» To me, it is something that if there was
money set aside

1036
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:21,360
still in capital projects, it could be
revisited at that budget time when we

1037
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:25,520
are doing that budgeting. If it can't be
included in that, um, then there might

1038
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:31,600
be another bucket that it would need to
come for the 2027. The only payment in

1039
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:37,040
2027 is the 84,000.
Nope. The only payment for 2027. Well,

1040
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:43,360
actually, we don't have a 2027 payment.
The 2028 payment is the 84,000 plus the

1041
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:47,600
54150.
>> Okay. And those are we're one could

1042
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:51,600
possibly come out of this and the rest
is being budgeted and 2829. That's what

1043
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,239
I thought. Okay. Just
>> because that has to be in the budget

1044
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,719
from here on out,
>> right?

1045
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:00,040
» From 2028 moving forward. That has to be
in the budget.

1046
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:05,280
» So, when I add up cheaper,
>> yes, it is.

1047
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:10,159
» Sorry.
>> He said his tractor's cheaper.

1048
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:13,600
» So, the server replacement, boiler
upgrade, and building systems controls.

1049
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:19,239
Those three we've already agreed on.
When you add those up, is that I think

1050
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,239
they're a little over 700,000.

1051
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:29,360
Then you add that to our remaining
unallocated.

1052
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:32,520
Are those the two were still Did I do
that right?

1053
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:40,960
» So if I Hold on, let me play around a
little bit.

1054
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:48,480
» I'm just trying to get an idea of the
322 that's remaining. that 322 14805 is

1055
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:53,520
just the difference between our total
funding pool and the total capital

1056
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:55,199
request request. So we've only asked um
>> four and the 113.

1057
01:28:54,800 --> 01:29:00,639
» Yes.
>> Okay, I'm following you now. Got it.

1058
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:03,920
» If we did it all, that would be
>> what would be left.

1059
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:07,520
» That would be what was left in that
capital improvement.

1060
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:13,440
» Okay.
>> Yeah. Because we put 200,000

1061
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:17,360
roughly. She has 50,000 for the child
care and basically the rest of it got

1062
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:20,360
dumped into capital improvements for
future.

1063
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:32,239
» I don't think there's one thing on this
list that doesn't need to be done. I

1064
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:37,440
mean, they're all incredibly I didn't
hear any arguments that I said when we

1065
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:42,480
were going through each of the budgets
in the request where I went, you really

1066
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:46,159
don't need that. There was none of that.
I mean, I think they're important. I

1067
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:51,360
think it's a matter of we really need to
prioritize. Do we want to use it all now

1068
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:56,960
and be left with 322 and hopefully grow
that or do we want to put some of these

1069
01:29:53,920 --> 01:30:00,239
into the second year of using capital?
Is that a fair statement?

1070
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:07,440
» Yes.
And on the sidewalk replacement, did we

1071
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:11,280
I know we talked about that grant. Were
we able to fill out that information?

1072
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:16,800
» Yep. So, for our current sidewalk
replacement project, we did fill um we

1073
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:21,360
did fill out and submit the $5,000 grant
for that.

1074
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:28,719
» Okay. Um, we are also working on um
submitting a cyber grant for um our

1075
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:33,560
changes to potentially district court
and or the server replacement project.

1076
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:41,920
» I one more clarity question so I make
sure I keep all my notes in the same

1077
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:48,480
spot. So the server replacement right
now is a 110, but I think the quote that

1078
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,960
we got from it was 113645.
Do we?

1079
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:53,840
» Yes. Because I did not have extra.
>> Yeah, we'll have I'll have to make that

1080
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:56,320
adjustment on the sheet. When I put that
together, I didn't have that final quote

1081
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,280
from
>> Okay. Yep.

1082
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:01,840
» Um
>> I mean there's not a huge difference,

1083
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,199
but
>> And I like to be accurate.

1084
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:09,520
» And this is for OGA.
>> Not that for us.

1085
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:15,159
» This is for us. Ogma thing isn't in
here.

1086
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:15,159
» 107. So the server is 10724518.

1087
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,480
» I like less.
>> That's what we approved today, I think,

1088
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:22,719
wasn't it?
>> Mhm.

1089
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:28,000
» Yeah.
And then the aerial imagery that is for

1090
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:30,560
equalization and I believe Jamie is
still working on a quote.

1091
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:36,320
» Okay.
>> For that. And before we pull any

1092
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:41,360
triggers, we'll have to have
a better understanding of because that's

1093
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:46,239
just that that would be a yearly type
thing. So, how does that look with all

1094
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:50,719
of our townships and everything if we
chose

1095
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:57,600
» what is the purpose of that?
>> Mus here. So the I think the purpose

1096
01:31:53,760 --> 01:32:02,480
goes back to when somebody is doing the
assessing of properties and not being

1097
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:06,800
able to walk on people's property to do
those assessments. This imagery gives

1098
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:10,719
them a better look the assessors a
better look from the sky basically

1099
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:14,880
versus being able to walk
>> on our site now when measure buildings

1100
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:19,679
» not to that degree.
>> Not to that

1101
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:23,360
uh not according to Jamie.
It might be helpful.

1102
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:27,760
» Yeah. To put her on a future works
>> in what those two views look and the

1103
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:31,840
information that they're required to get
versus what we see. I I wouldn't know.

1104
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:35,840
Oh, that looks fine to me, but it may
not be giving them

1105
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:40,560
information that they need
>> in order to do those assessments.

1106
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:45,199
» And once she got the final
um estimates, she was willing to come

1107
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:51,440
back in front of the board to go over
all of that. But that estimate isn't in.

1108
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:54,400
It may be more of a zoom in type thing.
>> It's like one inch.

1109
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:59,440
» Okay.
>> Versus six or whatever it is. Yeah.

1110
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:04,159
» Measure measure by feet right now.
>> Right. I would agree that we can maybe

1111
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:08,719
keep an eye on that one until we get a a
out of piece, but

1112
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:11,360
» keep it included in this for right now.
>> Exactly.

1113
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:14,000
» Something we'll probably need. We just
need to figure out if it's going to be

1114
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:16,480
this year or next year. or what can we
do

1115
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:20,239
» or what exactly it looks like and how
it's going to be funded in the future

1116
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:24,320
» allocation. We're not approving the
expenditure yet. Is that correct?

1117
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:29,600
» That's correct.
>> I I'll go on record that I'm okay with

1118
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:34,000
each of these proposed projects
and when do we need to select which ones

1119
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:39,040
so that we're all
>> actually today it's just an approval of

1120
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:44,960
the allocation going into the capital
improvement, the child care and the HSA

1121
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:47,760
funding. So I would Yes. So um at the
September meeting essentially it would

1122
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:54,719
be just breaking it down into those
buckets that you would instruct that

1123
01:33:51,520 --> 01:34:01,679
this amount gets transferred to the um
capital project fund that there is x

1124
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:09,760
amount for set aside um for the
childcare fund fund balance and x amount

1125
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:16,960
set aside for HSA funding. And then for
sure in the next meeting we do need to

1126
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:22,159
discuss to have the BSNA initial brought
back for a motion because that would

1127
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:26,280
have to be signed right away
in order to get on their docket.

1128
01:34:32,719 --> 01:34:38,400
I'm good with the information. I mean,
the extra little detail that we're going

1129
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,880
to need and clean that up, you know, but
I think

1130
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:45,120
» those are some of the key things,
especially the three we've already

1131
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:51,760
approved and try to see if we can get as
much of this in as we can. Whittling

1132
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:55,679
down too low on that that fund makes me
a little nervous because there's always

1133
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:59,280
things that creep up that we do not
>> roofs. Yeah.

1134
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:03,600
» Yeah. Could be anything
>> stuff. So, I want to be a little, in my

1135
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:07,679
opinion, a little bit more conservative.
I'm not dwindling that down, but I don't

1136
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:12,639
really understand
if we took it down all the way left 322

1137
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:17,120
in there.
>> Where will that gain us next year? Like,

1138
01:35:14,639 --> 01:35:19,520
where could we be next year in a fund
balance? And that might help me.

1139
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,760
» Okay.
>> Kind of figure out, do I want to go down

1140
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:28,639
that low if I think we can recoup it in
another year or if we can't? And I don't

1141
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:34,000
even know if that's doable.
I think once we I think once we get to

1142
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:43,120
the
point where our 27 28 and 29 budgets

1143
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:47,760
» are more established. Um that
information of where we'd be looking at

1144
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:51,040
that potential for fund balance
>> right

1145
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:55,440
» will be increased or flat
>> will be

1146
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:58,000
» a lot more apparent.
>> Okay,

1147
01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:05,040
» that helps me. I just not ready to say
yeah spend it all now. Sorry mad

1148
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:08,880
» gives money.
>> Yes.

1149
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:13,600
» I think we also need to be careful of
committing to annual payments type

1150
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:18,639
things
>> line. I mean you're potentially looking

1151
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:22,719
at more than $70,000 annually.
>> I mean there things we need to keep an

1152
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:29,280
eye out for.
>> I would 100% agree, Commissioner Wilson.

1153
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:33,920
Um, to me, capital projects and capital
these funds should be for onetime needs

1154
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:37,280
that we need to get done, not longevity
costs because we won't be able to

1155
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,520
sustain that.
>> I agree.

1156
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:44,679
» Yep.

1157
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:52,719
» Marcy's itching SNA. She's got
>> Yeah. Um, I just want to address

1158
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:57,440
something that Kim had said regarding,
you know, dwindling down the fund to too

1159
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:03,520
much. I just wanted to say, keep in mind
I am still the interest that the

1160
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:08,639
delinquent tax revolving fund is earning
in Michigan class that gets transferred

1161
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:12,960
every month into capital improvement.
And right now that's running an average

1162
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:20,159
of about $20,000 a month you're seeing
going back into capital improvement. So

1163
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:25,600
it's not just generating based on your
fund balance overage. It is earning some

1164
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:30,800
money every month based on that
movement. So keep that in mind. It's not

1165
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:36,320
fully depleting itself. It's going to be
replenished um if the interest rates

1166
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:40,320
stay where they're at. Um
>> class is pretty I mean that's pretty

1167
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:44,320
conservative like a 3.2 like they stay a
pretty conservative. So it's not like

1168
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:51,679
» percentage right. Okay.
>> Yep. and they're still at like 3.8%

1169
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:55,119
per month. So, um, we're still doing
quite well with that interest, but I

1170
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,040
just wanted to address that to keep that
in mind.

1171
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:00,480
» Super. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1172
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:03,760
» Thank you.
>> Okay,

1173
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:06,560
» Jody, do you have what you need?
>> I do. Yes.

1174
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:11,280
» Okay.
>> Just wanted to make sure. Does anybody

1175
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:18,560
else have any questions?
Okay. If no questions then this meeting

1176
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:25,400
is adjourned and our late level meeting
will start at

1177
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,400
11 11

1178
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:33,199
uh 11:20.
Yeah. Commissioner's lake level control

1179
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:41,360
structure meeting for September 9th at
11:20 a.m. Please stand for the pledge.

1180
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:47,679
I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

1181
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:54,600
republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

1182
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,600
justice for all.

1183
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:02,480
» Roll call, please.
Mil

1184
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,159
» here.
>> Mley,

1185
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,719
» here.
>> Russo

1186
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,920
Spencer
>> here. Wolson

1187
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,920
» here.

1188
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:15,840
» Approval of the agenda.
>> Chair.

1189
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:20,159
» Second.
>> Any discussion?

1190
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,840
» Roll call, please.
>> Marley,

1191
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,679
» yes.
>> Spencer,

1192
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,719
» yes. Milurn,
>> yes.

1193
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,119
» Wolson,
>> yes.

1194
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:31,199
» Motion carried.
>> Public comment for agenda items only. Is

1195
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:36,280
there any public comment for agenda
items?

1196
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,280
Amanda.

1197
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,480
» Nope. Need it green.

1198
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:53,280
» Can you hear me now, Darlene?
>> I can hear you.

1199
01:39:50,560 --> 01:40:01,360
» Okay, just checking.
Uh, it's a We're still uh repairing our

1200
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:07,920
properties after the flood. uh where I
had a strip of grass a full length by

1201
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:13,199
about 4 foot that got eroded away and uh
I'm trying to grow grass there. I'm not

1202
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:18,480
not do I grown really nice weeds but of
course uh they'll uh they'll help

1203
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:23,520
stabilize my my soil there next to the
seaw wall, the flood wall.

1204
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:30,719
Uh
finally took down my cement blocks and

1205
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:37,119
put them down on the lot. Uh FEMA did
come out the other day about a week ago.

1206
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:43,280
Uh looked around. I gave them bills for
my cement blocks that I fortified my

1207
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:47,840
flood wall with. Uh we had a row of dock
sections. Then we had a a row of

1208
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:55,280
sandbags. I was able to turn my slips
into uh for my sandbags that I had

1209
01:40:50,719 --> 01:41:01,440
ordered. Bought uh two pumps uh sump
pumps. My cousin John brought me up

1210
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:07,760
stuff he had. Now we bought more hoses
uh you know to fight the flooding. Uh a

1211
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:14,000
very nice gentleman come out survey the
property. I gave him a a ledger of what

1212
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:22,080
I'd spent and the slips and uh I see I
have a check in the mail or a check in

1213
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:27,199
the account now uh cover the cost. Uh
others in the neighborhood are trying to

1214
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:33,520
put their places back together. I'm
still running a fan and fan in the crawl

1215
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:39,520
space on the family cabin. I got dry
mish coming out uh next week. Uh no, I

1216
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:46,000
think no, excuse me. I got dry mish
coming Thursday for a crawl space

1217
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:50,800
inspection. And uh uh I had some duck
work that got soaked and I did pull some

1218
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:56,560
of that down, but I haven't pulled it
out yet. Uh

1219
01:41:54,080 --> 01:42:03,040
so I'm going to have them and uh see
what they're built. Uh

1220
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:08,239
crawling around in my narrow crawl space
that something when you get older you

1221
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:15,199
don't like doing. But
I see uh you're still banking water. Uh,

1222
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:22,480
we do have a a legal lake level for H
Hotton Lake. Uh, I know your operations

1223
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:27,000
manual has been uh
dubbed as a comic book, but

1224
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:34,159
nothing's nothing's going on here is
actually funny. Uh, nothing's happening

1225
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:38,280
here is funny.
Uh, how do we

1226
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:47,199
how do we address the flooding in Oakton
Lake? If if we cover up,

1227
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:53,199
excuse me,
how can we uh how can we address the

1228
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:59,280
flooding in H Hotton Lake? If we cover
up all the flooding we've had in the

1229
01:42:55,440 --> 01:43:04,080
past, if we cover up the drownings that
we've had at H Hotton Lake that may be

1230
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:08,480
attributed to this water banking or
these winddriven tides, I think we live

1231
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:13,440
on the deadliest inland lake in
Michigan.

1232
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:19,840
We got to address these issues. We got
we got tons of science. We got 40 years

1233
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:25,440
of lake level data. You can pull up
averages. Our average springtime is

1234
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:30,960
almost a foot high. Uh if you this
winter, if you're saying we have average

1235
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:34,880
snowfall, average snow pack, I can
guarantee you there'll be flooding in

1236
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:41,199
the spring. If we have above average,
we're going to have

1237
01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:47,520
worse flooding. Uh
you're banking water. Now,

1238
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:52,000
you need to realize that if winters are
normal, we're going to have flooding.

1239
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:55,239
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1240
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,600
» Public comment for agenda items. Come on
up.

1241
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:12,639
» Dave Bisby, I'm going to kick off where
Craig left off.

1242
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:17,600
FEMA was there. FEMA took a lot of
applications for damage.

1243
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:22,239
I would like to know if there's a way we
can get a total from them on the cost

1244
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:26,800
for damage
replacement, which is only a small

1245
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:32,639
portion of it because any property that
isn't a permanent residence

1246
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:38,320
doesn't qualify. So, we have all sorts
of neighbors with property

1247
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:42,639
that was severely damaged.
that's coming out of their pocket

1248
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:48,480
because
most people didn't have flood insurance

1249
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:52,880
because it wasn't a requirement.
And all of this came about because of

1250
01:44:50,639 --> 01:44:58,880
misjudgment
of actions

1251
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:04,480
and not following proper protocol with
results to the manual. You can say you

1252
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:08,639
opened the gates in January, bless your
soul,

1253
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:14,000
but you were above winter level before
you got there and you were never down to

1254
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:21,679
winter level. So all you did was
exaggerate the damage by your actions.

1255
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:25,440
Please consider following the proper
guidelines.

1256
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:31,199
The manual
mentions that it's an 88 datam and for

1257
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:35,600
some reason everyone wants to be a
dinosaur and go back to 29 datam because

1258
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:39,840
it looks better and they can hide
things.

1259
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:45,199
Time to stop hiding.
Time to be open

1260
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:50,400
and realize exactly what's going on.
I've got all sorts of things I have to

1261
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:58,000
do. I have to raise my generac now
because of the issues we had this year.

1262
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:02,960
That's ridiculous.
You know, I had flooding all the way

1263
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:07,760
into my backyard towards the road.
This isn't normal. This is man-made,

1264
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:14,320
most of it. Yeah, we did have a lot of
snow. We had rain. We had winds, but we

1265
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:18,960
started out with almost a foot above
where we should have been.

1266
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:24,400
And that foot is what caused most of the
damage.

1267
01:46:20,639 --> 01:46:29,679
So, please use your heads on this manual
and this dam.

1268
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:33,440
And if you try to cut it off before you
get to winter level, you're going to

1269
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:37,920
have ice ups in that channel because low
trickle allows the ice to build up. So,

1270
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:42,159
don't let that happen before you're down
to winter level just to save the

1271
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:47,360
process.
Smart thing to do. I hope that you take

1272
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:52,880
my advice because
man, there was a lot of people really

1273
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:59,040
received a lot of damage and they're not
going to recover it.

1274
01:46:55,920 --> 01:47:05,280
I have uh a little bit of time. I'd like
to address a couple other things.

1275
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:10,320
Maybe they're not agenda items. I was
exposed to a rabid bat.

1276
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:16,000
My whole family and the whole house had
to get rabies shots.

1277
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:20,719
series of seven or four shots
spaced out in days. You know, there's

1278
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:26,560
not one place in Roscommer County where
you can get those bad infusions.

1279
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:31,920
Not one. I had to travel to Clare. I had
to go to West Branch

1280
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:36,000
Clair and then West Branch. Our health
and human services didn't even contact

1281
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:40,800
me even though they were notified
because my son took the bat to Grand

1282
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:46,400
Rapids back with them and had the K
County Health Department test it and

1283
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:52,400
they notified our people at Ross Common,
but they never contacted me

1284
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:58,719
and told me I needed to get the shots.
My son did.

1285
01:47:54,719 --> 01:48:03,840
That's missing the target big time
and getting back to my generator. The

1286
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:12,560
reason I have the generator is guess
what? Roscom County's 83rd out of 83

1287
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:18,400
counties in reliable electricity.
83rd

1288
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:24,639
doesn't reflect well on
the focus of business that this group is

1289
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:31,760
doing. Wasting too much time chasing
their tails on the water issues

1290
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:31,760
that they didn't need to create.

1291
01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:35,719
Thank you.

1292
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:40,920
Any other public comment for agenda
items?

1293
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:53,600
Holton Lake the delegated authority
update.

1294
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:58,480
Um
over the weekend, as you know, we've had

1295
01:48:56,480 --> 01:49:04,080
actually for a few weeks now, we've had
that one gate open 25%.

1296
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:09,440
Our um
after Labor Day, the target level is the

1297
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:14,960
legal um court-ordered summer level of
the 1138.1.

1298
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:20,040
So, we will be drawing down to that. Um
maintenance has been instructed to open.

1299
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:29,440
um the additional gate 100%. So, they
were going to be out there later today

1300
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:32,440
working on that and getting that opened.
Um

1301
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:44,080
let's see.
In the last meeting, um we had a

1302
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:48,320
gentleman that had stated he had asked
me a question and he was still waiting

1303
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:53,520
for a response.
Um, and I had let everybody know that I

1304
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:59,119
was still waiting for a response from
our engineers.

1305
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:03,040
So, the question was, have you asked the
engineers to study or provide

1306
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:08,639
reassurances that widening the structure
toward our homes is not going to eat

1307
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:16,000
away the front yards? There are eight
waterfront lots on Fred Crooks and none

1308
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:19,679
on the culdesac side. If you do not
intend to allow the public on the

1309
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:24,880
structure, why not eliminate the
culde-sac parking on that side as it

1310
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:29,119
would no longer be needed and no risk of
ruining people's property?

1311
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:33,440
When Rex was out to speak with the
neighbor, he said, "You intended to come

1312
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:39,040
approximately 40 ft in this direction.
If the opposing bank was to recede the

1313
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:46,480
same 40t, we could quite literally fish
out our front door."

1314
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:52,639
So I sent that exact quote over to Prine
and Newuhof and the first response I got

1315
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:57,600
is we are working we are working on a
response for you. Their comments are not

1316
01:50:54,639 --> 01:51:02,639
unreasonable. Anytime we open up a
structure we have the potential for

1317
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:06,880
increasing the downstream flows. Eagle
permits projects that open up bridges

1318
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:11,119
and outlet structures all the time. Even
though it could increase the downstream

1319
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:16,320
velocities and sheer stresses for a
given condition. In this case, a lot of

1320
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:20,159
other cases the difference in sheer
stress and velocity for the different

1321
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:25,280
locations of the proposed structure are
basically negligible. Moving the opening

1322
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:29,679
to the west could be better, but again
the difference is negligible. Showing

1323
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:36,560
this is not always easy, but we will
work on it.

1324
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:40,400
So, I did email um the findings to you
guys and it said, "We're working to

1325
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:44,880
provide something that we can share with
the residents. It is a good observation

1326
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:49,119
that the potential expansion of the dam
gates to the east could create an

1327
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:54,159
increase in velocities and sheer stress
on the shoreline. Anytime a structure is

1328
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:59,360
enlarged, we have the potential for
increasing the downstream flow impacts.

1329
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:04,560
For this case, however, the downstream
impacts on the shoreline is negligible.

1330
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:11,280
We have performed a 2D hydraulic
modeling using HC-RA

1331
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:19,040
software for the proposed outlet gates
open and worstcase 100-year event. This

1332
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:24,400
an this analysis simulates the water
movement in detail showing the velocity

1333
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:29,119
vectors throughout the stream width.
Specifically to address the concerns, we

1334
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:34,400
have prepared some figures showing
profiles of the maximum velocities and

1335
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:39,520
sheer stresses along the right bank at
both the top and bottom of the bank. Re

1336
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:44,159
results show that the difference is
basically negligible. In addition, the

1337
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:49,280
magnitude of the shear stresses on the
shoreline is not as severe as in the

1338
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:54,560
center of the channel and is not
especially high due to the geometry of

1339
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:59,440
the Moskegan River both upstream and
downstream of the outlet structure.

1340
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:06,159
Patched graphs show the velocities and
sheer stresses are similar. The maximum

1341
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:12,239
velocity during a 100red-year event is8
FPS along the north and east shoreline

1342
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:18,880
and the maximum shear stress is 03
pounds per square foot. Please reach out

1343
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:24,960
with any questions.
So you guys all receive those maps. I

1344
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:31,760
will make sure to get this information
over to the gentleman who had initially

1345
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:36,400
asked the question and then if there's
any questions we can reach back out to

1346
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:42,599
the engineers
unless unless you guys have any initial

1347
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:42,599
questions.

1348
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:49,000
Okay. No, I think the river controls

1349
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:53,159
» um

1350
01:53:55,280 --> 01:54:06,159
I also
had reached out

1351
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:10,880
to the DNR um regarding the flats
project. They call it the flats wildlife

1352
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:16,880
flooding control structure and pump
facility improvements. This is not the

1353
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:22,360
same as our structure. This is the one
right off of old 27. Um

1354
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:30,199
the progress of work. Um this was back
at September.

1355
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:40,480
Oh, let's go back here.
First one was back in August where the

1356
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:45,920
greenscape remobilization
um was there Monday, July 20th to start

1357
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:51,360
construction on the south dyke. Silt
fence will continue to be installed and

1358
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:56,000
anticipated to be completed that week.
Sheep piling is being delivered to the

1359
01:54:53,360 --> 01:55:01,520
site and anticipated to continue until
the end of the week. Installation of the

1360
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:06,560
coffer dam is anticipated to start mid
to end of the week of next week and take

1361
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:10,080
approximately two weeks. Wade trim has
verified the benchmark for the south

1362
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:14,800
dyke.
The beaver debris and the existing

1363
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:19,119
culvert below Westshore Drive has been
removed by the Ross Common County Road

1364
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:24,560
Commission. All stop logs have been
removed at the control structure. The

1365
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:30,239
water elevation in the flats has receded
approximately 15 in.

1366
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:36,000
Um field rep will be on site next week
and may have drone pictures that could

1367
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:42,080
be shared for MDNR social media outlets.
Um the turnaround on the south dyke is a

1368
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:46,560
12t wide and 16 foot long in addition to
the top of the dyke.

1369
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:53,119
Um
I received another update yesterday. Um

1370
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:58,840
clay material is being placed on the
south deck approximately 2 to four weeks

1371
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,840
to be installed.

1372
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:07,520
Well to be installed next week and is
anticipated to take 3 days. The X lift

1373
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:12,880
station has been removed. Remove
existing control structure this week.

1374
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:19,920
Start installing the silt fence on Z
dyke next week. salvage memorial rock to

1375
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:24,639
be reset following construction. A long
reach ex excavator is anticipated to be

1376
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:30,159
on site to dredge out the canal between
Holton Lake and Old 127. The dredging of

1377
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:34,800
the channel leading to the mouth of H
Hotton Lake started today. This activity

1378
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:39,599
was permitted by Eagle as part of a
larger project in the Roscommen County

1379
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:44,080
Road Commission. We are also partnering
with the road commission to replace a

1380
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:49,360
culvert on Westshore Drive. they are
providing the covert and we are doing

1381
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:56,639
the work.
So that was the update on the flats

1382
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:58,480
and that is all I have for Holton Lake
>> Lake St. Helen.

1383
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:02,320
» Madam Chair,
>> yes

1384
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:07,440
» for commissioner's information, the
object of the culvert change and

1385
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:12,719
clearing out the channel and digging it
deeper is they're putting in pumps that

1386
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:18,159
have higher velocity.
So, it's going to make water get to

1387
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:22,800
their pumps faster if when they want to
fill it, but it also when they want to

1388
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:28,320
pull boards and empty it, it happens
faster. So, the exchange between H

1389
01:57:25,679 --> 01:57:32,159
Hotton Lake and the Flats will be in a
faster

1390
01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:35,360
mode once they're done.
>> And we, so you know,

1391
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:41,080
» and we have no control over that. That
is something that they control 100%.

1392
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:55,119
Um, Lake St. Helen,
Commissioner Wilson. Uh, most of the

1393
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:59,679
boards are out at Lake St. Helen. Um,
even though we haven't had a lot of

1394
01:57:56,639 --> 01:58:05,679
rain. It's a little stubborn and going
down. We're working on that and it's

1395
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:11,280
it's m finally making headway. Um, I
sent an email out to Luke O'Brien from

1396
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:18,080
Spicers for an update on the structure.
Haven't heard anything from him. So,

1397
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:24,080
that's all I have on St. Helen.
>> Okay. Um, one quick thing to go back on

1398
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:29,760
H Hotton Lake. I was informed yesterday
that the permitting process for the new

1399
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:37,760
structure, the initial part of just
submitting for the permit um

1400
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:43,040
was initiated. So
that process will take a little while.

1401
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:47,840
Um I have asked Prime and New Hoff um if
they still anticipate the construction

1402
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:53,360
to take place next year. I have not
heard back on that yet. When I do, I

1403
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:53,360
will make sure to let everybody know.

1404
01:58:54,159 --> 01:59:02,480
Um, Higgins Lake. Um, the maintenance
department went

1405
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:08,239
last week to fully open up gate one
yesterday. They opened up gate two and

1406
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:12,800
of course the unrestricted spillway is
open. We will continue to open up the

1407
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:17,199
spillways gradually until we ret until
we achieve the legal summer level. Draw

1408
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:21,679
down for the winter level begins
November 1st.

1409
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:24,239
I don't have anything other than that
unless you do.

1410
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:28,639
» Not on Higgins.
>> Okay.

1411
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:35,119
Any questions
or comments for Higgins?

1412
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:38,119
Okay. Unfinished business. Lake operator
discussion.

1413
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:50,800
Um I know that Commissioner Wilson took
um the applicant, Mr. keys around each

1414
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:54,560
of the structured um when the job was
offered

1415
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:59,599
um
and that offer was 11,7

1416
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:04,960
» 117
>> okay for for the year after looking at

1417
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:09,760
the structure he was concerned
especially about Holton Lake and I know

1418
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:15,760
that he came back with a counter offer I
believe it was 155 was that correct

1419
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:20,000
» 155 and he wanted to be able to revisit
it in two months

1420
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:27,840
Okay.
So after hearing that um discussion that

1421
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:32,880
got me to where I requested the logs
that are prior delegated authority Chase

1422
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:39,440
Shepkey and Lake operator that he turned
into um those logs.

1423
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:42,440
I did email all of you that same
information

1424
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:49,239
and kind of broke things down as far as

1425
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:56,040
what that looks like
monetarywise.

1426
02:00:56,320 --> 02:01:04,560
Um, I gave you a copy of the job
description that the individual would

1427
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:11,840
be. I gave a copy of the 2026 wage and
salary committee um report and the 2026

1428
02:01:09,599 --> 02:01:14,840
wage scale.
Um

1429
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:22,360
when I look at what was reported for
2025 2026

1430
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:32,880
and then I estimated out tried to a
little bit. Um

1431
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:38,880
it looks roughly if he was to take over
all three structures

1432
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:44,639
that he would only have about 13.4 four
hours a month between depending and

1433
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:47,679
that's you know a lot has to depend upon
how how often you're going out there and

1434
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:58,400
everything but I'm doing this on a
monthly yearly type thing. Um

1435
02:01:52,239 --> 02:02:04,560
at 155 at 125 hours per year is $125
an hour at 155 at 160 hours per year

1436
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:11,440
would be 96.88.
um wage and salary reported that they

1437
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:19,320
should be making between $19.21
an hour up to 2250 per hour.

1438
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:19,320
Um the other

1439
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:29,119
I guess thing that I started kind of
questioning was that I know Mr. Keys,

1440
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:34,480
according to Commissioner Wolson, was a
little offset about H Hotton Lake

1441
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:39,360
because of the size of the boards that
have to come in and out. That is not a

1442
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:45,760
oneperson job. According to maintenance
and after talking with Chase as well,

1443
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:51,840
that is, if you're lucky, a twoperson
job, but more like a three to four

1444
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:58,800
person job on home link
due just to the Sears size. So then that

1445
02:02:54,800 --> 02:03:04,159
gets the question of if Mr. Keys has to
have somebody go help him, where does

1446
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:09,440
that liability fall if one of those guys
get hurt?

1447
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:15,960
They're not a county employee. Mr. Keys
is would be, but those others helping

1448
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:15,960
him would not be.

1449
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,520
So

1450
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:23,719
thoughts

1451
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:28,760
The biggest problem on Holton Lake is
the system.

1452
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:41,360
» Our maintenance can continue to help. I
did speak um with our controller and

1453
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:45,920
with Justin personally and I told him
that this was not something that I was

1454
02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:52,560
telling him he had to do. This was a
question of whether

1455
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:58,960
they would be willing to do and they
would be willing um to continue on if

1456
02:03:56,560 --> 02:04:02,960
that is something that the board would
like. They will keep track of hours.

1457
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:10,920
They will keep track of who goes to what
structures and it would kind of continue

1458
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:10,920
as is from my understanding. If that's

1459
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:17,080
No, they would be they would be
compensated.

1460
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:26,800
» Yes.
>> They would b they're agreeing to take on

1461
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:31,040
the additional responsibilities within
the the building and grounds department.

1462
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:34,920
» Yes,
>> madam chair.

1463
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,920
» Yes.

1464
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:43,040
I'd like to more information how you
would structure that because I wouldn't

1465
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:49,280
want to short our maintenance guys from
doing their normal duties. Would this be

1466
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:53,599
like overtime type job? How would this
work?

1467
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:59,040
» So that actually um when we did have the
meeting with our director um in that

1468
02:04:56,880 --> 02:05:02,800
conversation our our first question was
really is this something that you even

1469
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:06,960
think that you could manage? Um, and if
the answer was yes, then it would come

1470
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:11,280
to the board to kind of make that
determination with the director on the

1471
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:15,920
best way to structure that because you
will need to have you're going to have

1472
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:21,599
to have an organized method of
contacting out to request those opening

1473
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:26,159
closings so that it can be planned into
the day. Um

1474
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:29,920
obviously they're already on a weekly
basis they already have somebody that

1475
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:33,840
site checks just for basic routine
maintenance of county property. Um but

1476
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:38,320
there would have to be an organized
approach to doing that. We do have 2.5

1477
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:43,760
people um during the day in our
maintenance. So it would need to be um

1478
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:48,480
something that
um two people

1479
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:53,920
or definitely H Hotton Lake possibly St.
Allen would have to be able to leave the

1480
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:59,119
building and go for um they'd have to
plan around it. Ideally, it would not be

1481
02:05:56,080 --> 02:06:03,280
overtime. Um but there would be no
guarantee on that depending on if there

1482
02:06:00,719 --> 02:06:07,360
was an e situation or other projects
going on.

1483
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:12,520
» Well, then that brings the question, are
our employees willing to work overtime

1484
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,520
if needed?

1485
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:18,400
I
>> guess we need a maintenance director to

1486
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:23,080
chime in a little bit.
Not to put you on the spot, Justin, but

1487
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:29,840
» in other words, tell us how this would
work for your department.

1488
02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:34,079
» Well, the biggest thing is the
coordination and all of it. Um, like we

1489
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:39,360
brought up in the meeting, we are out at
the dams at least once a week to do our

1490
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:44,719
general inspections to take care of the
grounds and um, so we're trying to work

1491
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:50,800
it in as far as when the measurements
are done. And I don't we don't go out on

1492
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:57,599
our normal like every week it usually
like a Tuesday we'd go out and do our

1493
02:06:54,320 --> 02:07:02,400
our structure maintenance. Now I'm just
waiting to hear from the commissioners

1494
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:06,639
is too far there's an adjustment needed.
So I mean it could be on a Monday, it

1495
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:12,159
could be on a Friday. So if it's just
one adjustment a week, it falls right

1496
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:17,520
into our plan. However, if there's other
instances like yesterday, uh we had to

1497
02:07:15,679 --> 02:07:23,280
go to the Higgins Lake Dam and the St.
Helen Dam and the Holton Lake Dam. We

1498
02:07:20,719 --> 02:07:28,239
were unable to fit the Holton Lake one
into our schedule because that one takes

1499
02:07:25,599 --> 02:07:32,159
not only the manpower but added time
that didn't fall into what we already

1500
02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:37,760
had going on in the maintenance program.
As far as the wages are concerned, I

1501
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:42,719
know we had briefly talked about it. Um,
so I guess there's need to be further

1502
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:48,400
discussion as far as that. Um, and as
far as the overtime,

1503
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:52,079
it would be I guess
obviously anything above and beyond. If

1504
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:59,040
it was an emergency call that we have
to, you know, leave after hours, then

1505
02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:02,560
that's what it's got to have to be. I
think our maintenance proh program is

1506
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:06,159
pretty flexible in the fact that we're
on call all the time anyway. So, we

1507
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:11,280
never know if we're going to get called
into this structure or elsewhere. So,

1508
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:14,599
it's just another added thing to be on
call for

1509
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:20,040
» questions.

1510
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:26,639
» Correct.
>> You know, and it's one of those things

1511
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:31,280
like today I'm already short-handed. We
have one guy out.

1512
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:34,639
» Um, typically we have three guys on all
the time, two part-time guys, two

1513
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:39,520
full-time guys, you know. So, the
part-time guys split their weeks. Um, so

1514
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:42,560
usually I have three people in the
building all the time. Today we're down

1515
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:46,239
to two
and you know, it might be one of those

1516
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:52,719
things where we might have to in the
busy times put three full-time people on

1517
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:57,440
and then leave one part-time in limbo.
Um, there has been times where we have

1518
02:08:54,560 --> 02:09:04,159
gone out and then we get calls here. And
so, if we could have the flexibility of

1519
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:10,800
leaving one behind, that's ideal.
Um but like um Chairperson Sensor said,

1520
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:16,079
Holton Lake is the most extensive as far
as making any adjustments to

1521
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:19,079
» Madame Chair.
>> Yes.

1522
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:28,239
Perhaps we need to put something in
place that's permanent,

1523
02:09:25,119 --> 02:09:31,840
not just a temporary
fix to our problem of operating the

1524
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:36,159
structures
and doing it through the maintenance

1525
02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:43,679
department may be the answer to making
it a permanent thing. Be it more

1526
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:48,960
personnel or whatever. Um, it's only my
suggestion

1527
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:54,800
» and I know we talked to about once the
structures like Lake St. Helen gets

1528
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:59,199
under way and what that looks like, you
know, for your final structure. H Hotton

1529
02:09:57,199 --> 02:10:00,719
Lakes will become a whole lot easier.
>> Lot easier.

1530
02:09:59,840 --> 02:10:04,480
» Whole lot easier.
>> But it's still going to require, you

1531
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:07,040
know, x number of hours to get there.
>> Correct.

1532
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:12,960
» And it may be a oneperson job at that
time. But if we set up something through

1533
02:10:10,159 --> 02:10:19,360
the maintenance department, as long as
the head of maintenance is willing to do

1534
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:23,360
so, um, we have a permanent solution in
place.

1535
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:25,920
» And I believe that's how it used to be
done. Correct, Jody?

1536
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:28,239
» Yes, that is.
>> I mean,

1537
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:32,639
» that is exactly how it used to be done.
>> We can we can put together how we're

1538
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:36,480
going to call when somebody goes out. I
mean, we've already been Darlene and

1539
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:42,320
I've been talking in the future it would
be look at the daily average the day

1540
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:49,280
before before we respond that type of
thing. And um in most cases one day or

1541
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:53,920
so is not going to make a difference but
I think if we could set something up

1542
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:58,239
through the maintenance um and of course
I think their time is all billable. Is

1543
02:10:56,480 --> 02:11:01,239
that not correct? Mhm.
>> Um,

1544
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:11,079
that's really the answer because we've
been dealing this

1545
02:11:06,639 --> 02:11:11,079
back and forth for three years now.

1546
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:22,040
» And since we can't come to an agreement
of, you know, hiring somebody at a set

1547
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:22,040
rate and perhaps this is the answer.

1548
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:25,880
That's

1549
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:36,880
I'm not getting a nod from our
maintenance director yet.

1550
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:40,880
» It's an apprehensive nod.
>> That's kind of where I was going to go

1551
02:11:38,159 --> 02:11:45,280
too. I, you know,
as I look through all the data that you

1552
02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:50,320
put together, the option of going where
we were going does not make sense.

1553
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:55,760
Especially when it is a maintenance type
of role. they're not some high-end

1554
02:11:53,360 --> 02:12:00,719
engineer that we've got to pay to to do
X, Y, and Z. That just did not make

1555
02:11:57,520 --> 02:12:05,360
sense to me. So, that secured that
decision when I had first heard it. Um,

1556
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:09,599
I applaud that you would think about
your department to help us get through

1557
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:13,760
this. Um,
willing is one thing, capable is

1558
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:19,760
another, and I understand that staffing
can be an issue. Mhm.

1559
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:26,880
» Um, do you feel if there was a process
and a to follow that made it

1560
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:30,480
easier for your team? Do you currently
have the team today that you think that

1561
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:33,280
can be manageable or does that make you
nervous?

1562
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:37,199
» I know that's putting you on the spot,
but I mean,

1563
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:39,360
» no, I mean I I believe we have the
capabilities to do it.

1564
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:44,719
» Okay. Okay.
>> The maintenance of it and the operation

1565
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:46,800
of how the gates work, we have the
manpower to do it.

1566
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:51,840
» Okay.
>> It's just we're leaving the maintenance

1567
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:56,400
department unstaffed for a certain
amount of time that we have to go make

1568
02:12:53,440 --> 02:13:00,320
the adjustments. So, you know, my only
concern is if we're, you know, we have a

1569
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:04,480
gate that is stuck at the lake dam
because of the way it's engineered, it's

1570
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:08,079
going to take us time. So, if I'm at
Don't Lake Structure for two or three

1571
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:11,679
hours and then I have a rooftop unit go
down here,

1572
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:15,440
» what
perimeter? You know, where do I do I

1573
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:20,560
leave the gate?
>> You know, we already know we have angry

1574
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:26,400
homeowners behind us.
>> So, there's got to be a priority list of

1575
02:13:23,599 --> 02:13:30,719
where maintenance, you know, lies.
>> You feel that's doable?

1576
02:13:28,639 --> 02:13:35,679
It is. But I also think in the busy
times, we're going to have to talk about

1577
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:40,000
the manpower as far as possibly leaving
a maintenance person here.

1578
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:41,840
» Going to have to have some flexibility
also,

1579
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:47,360
» you know, because it's not just this
building. We have the animal shelter. We

1580
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:49,760
have the annex building. We have um the
airport, too.

1581
02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:54,480
» We're working on that annex building.
>> Yes. But we still have EOC.

1582
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:58,079
We have a room there.
>> So, I mean, it's not just this building.

1583
02:13:56,639 --> 02:14:04,800
And with this building, it's it's
enough, you know, to keep two and a half

1584
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:08,880
guys busy all week long. Um, and we do
have aging equipment, so it's always a

1585
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:14,960
concern even when we go home at night,
>> right? So, it's going to have to be, you

1586
02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:20,320
know, some fine talks of how we
prioritize and and manpower for sure,

1587
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:24,480
» and how we fund that. I mean, when I
looked at what this person countered,

1588
02:14:22,719 --> 02:14:33,760
I'm
okay to go and do what we tell you to do

1589
02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:37,760
and to just log. It just does not seem
from an accountability perspective.

1590
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:41,840
That's not even what commissioners do.
Not that we do this for that, but

1591
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:46,719
there's a the accountability and the
responsibility was far less for that

1592
02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:50,880
wage personally. Not that the person
couldn't do the job. I'm sure it was

1593
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:55,280
great, but that concerned me.
>> And if we do, if we can come up with a

1594
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:59,599
solution that allows us to help your
team and not burn them out, not cause

1595
02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:03,360
problems because you can't be here to
fix something else. I would I think

1596
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:06,800
that's a a good thing.
>> Well, I think the only way it's going to

1597
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:08,800
work is if it makes sense for both
sides.

1598
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:11,920
» Agreed.
>> Both sides have had, you know, got to

1599
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:14,480
come to an agreement. It's got to make
sense for

1600
02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:19,199
» and if it doesn't everybody involved
>> you know that we need to come up with

1601
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:23,280
another option but if if we can figure
this out

1602
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:28,400
» to say yes it's doable or you go okay we
tried it's not going to work go to plan

1603
02:15:25,599 --> 02:15:32,400
B then we can reconvene
we've done what we can do for a while as

1604
02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:37,760
is unfortunately is a lot more work on
the two of you I do know that so

1605
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:41,599
it
making a decision and changing it right

1606
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:46,639
the second just to fill a gap and not be
the right decision to me. I'd rather

1607
02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:49,199
wait, figure it out. It's me and see if
it works for you guys. And if it

1608
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:52,800
doesn't, then
>> I mean, for the for the immediate time

1609
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:56,239
right now, we're we're going to do it.
But if you know, moving forward,

1610
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:59,679
» it becomes
>> got to be some clear line set.

1611
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:01,199
» Agreed,
>> Madam Chair.

1612
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:05,679
» Yes.
>> One consideration we need to take into

1613
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:11,360
account, was that in his job
description?

1614
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:13,040
» It was not. So we definitely need his
blessing to do it.

1615
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:16,079
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1616
02:16:13,679 --> 02:16:22,079
» Um the other thing just just two thought
processes that kind of have come through

1617
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:26,719
my head. The first one is do you have
any of the evening part-time janitorial

1618
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:30,880
staff that might be able to be flexible
for maintenance hours if needed for

1619
02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:36,160
coverage like during the summer because
I know it's going to be the summer when

1620
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:40,479
it gets gets busy. There's
one that could possibly

1621
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:48,639
» Okay. And then um this is kind of more
for the for the board. So we have worked

1622
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:52,399
into the um budget for 2027 for
maintenance to actually have like

1623
02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:56,880
maintenance polo shirts, t-shirts to
have some more uniform. Um, and

1624
02:16:54,479 --> 02:17:00,559
honestly, this is a direct result of the
uh friendly people that come out to see

1625
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:04,880
them when they are out there adjusting
things at all three lake level control

1626
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:08,319
structures. Um, and just making sure
that the vehicles are clearly marked

1627
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:12,080
would be something we'd have to
>> We going to get them wet suits, too.

1628
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:16,960
» Yeah. Um, waiters.
>> Waiters.

1629
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:21,760
» Might I suggest that I and Justin and
Jod see what we can put together on

1630
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:26,719
this?
I would like to be there as well.

1631
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:31,679
» Say our chair put all that detail
together. I think the two of you kind of

1632
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:38,120
our late level committee working that
out and presenting it back like is this

1633
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:38,120
doable and and

1634
02:17:38,639 --> 02:17:44,559
I appreciate that you would be honest.
>> Don't just say yes to try to be the good

1635
02:17:43,359 --> 02:17:47,760
employee. You've got
>> No, there's a lot that goes into that.

1636
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:51,040
I've already voiced I've already
>> think that about you but I just want to

1637
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:54,080
make that on because that's easy to go
man we'll try to do it we'll try to do

1638
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:57,040
it because
>> work we need to be honest with each

1639
02:17:55,439 --> 02:18:00,880
other and we need to come up with
something different but I think

1640
02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:04,559
exploring this I would support you guys
working on an option and if it works

1641
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:07,120
then
>> for a while

1642
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:13,599
» one of the other things that we talked
about was the boards on H Hotton Lake

1643
02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:18,160
are huge they are heavy and they fit
very very tightly and the winch is

1644
02:18:16,399 --> 02:18:26,240
broken.
>> So that being said, if the structure

1645
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:31,760
isn't going to be slated
for next year, those boards may be

1646
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:37,280
recreated
to where it's easier for the maintenance

1647
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:42,280
department if they're still doing it,
able to do it without

1648
02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:50,920
having to use every
in the arsenal to get them in and out.

1649
02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,880
» Mhm. Well, it's it's only got to be fair
for both sides.

1650
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:04,240
» Absolutely.
>> I mean, because essentially we're still

1651
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:08,920
part of the county, but this is just
adding more. Y

1652
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:17,760
» and maybe his employees aren't keen to
this. I don't know.

1653
02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:22,000
How do your employees feel about it? Do
you know?

1654
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:25,359
» They're apprehensive about it.
>> So, I'll just say for I mean I think

1655
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:31,679
we're at a point where we're okay with
the two of you working with Jod and with

1656
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:34,399
Justin to say let's get more detail,
figure it out. There is some

1657
02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:37,200
apprehension. How do we work through
that?

1658
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:40,639
» Just present it back. I mean, I don't
think we can answer anymore until you

1659
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:43,599
guys sit down and
>> have that conversation.

1660
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:45,840
» Correct.
I'm good with that.

1661
02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:49,880
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

1662
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:49,880
» Thank you.

1663
02:19:50,800 --> 02:20:01,040
» Okay.
Um, new business sad lawsuits updates by

1664
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:09,040
our administrator controller.
So, um, the board had just asked that

1665
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:15,760
for the handful of, um, ongoing lawsuits
that the county has facing it in regards

1666
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:24,600
to lakes that I just give a a brief
update to you of, you know, kind of just

1667
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:24,600
a back history. Um so I will start with

1668
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:30,240
um let's start with the lake level of H
Hotton Lake because that's the only lake

1669
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:37,920
level of Holton Lake one that exists
currently. Um we had this is actually a

1670
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:43,359
appeal um that was issued it's pending
in the court of appeals in regards to

1671
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:51,760
the operations manual. Um, and that was
filed on behalf of um, Bumgartner at all

1672
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:55,840
with a with a few others. Um, and I will
add that all of these lawsuits have the

1673
02:20:53,520 --> 02:21:01,280
same attorney, Phil Ellison, so I won't
have to regurgitate who the who the

1674
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:04,800
representing attorney is. Um, but this
is essentially pending the court of

1675
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:10,399
appeals opinion. They placed this in in
2025 after the operations to manual was

1676
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:14,960
approved by the circuit court. So that's
appealing that based um on the thought

1677
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:19,760
process that this is actually a change
in the a way to circumvent the change in

1678
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:23,200
the legal level. Um and we have no no
action currently on the court of

1679
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:26,479
appeals. Um they just kind of hang out
there until the court of appeals decides

1680
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:33,600
to put it on the docket. So we all just
wait and watch this as we go. Um

1681
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:39,280
additionally we have um three suits
still pending in regards to Higgins

1682
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:44,000
Lake. Um the first is Demer versus Ross
Common County. That was filed in um

1683
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:48,160
September of 2025
and then in January filed with the Court

1684
02:21:46,319 --> 02:21:51,520
of Appeals. Um this was actually
originally filed after the creation of

1685
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:57,520
the Special Assessment District to
actually appeal the creation of the

1686
02:21:54,800 --> 02:22:04,080
district itself. Um again, this one's
also pending in the Court of Appeals. We

1687
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:09,520
have um two more additional ones. Um,
one is the HOPA at all versus Ross

1688
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:14,800
Common County. Um, again, this was
actually a suit filed on the creation of

1689
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:18,800
the special assessment district. And
kind of two of these kind of go

1690
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:25,040
together, I guess is the best way to say
it. Um, this was also involves now the

1691
02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:30,000
county's assessments for Higgins Lake.
Um, it did go to the court of appeals.

1692
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:33,840
The court of appeals essentially said um
initially on the creation of the special

1693
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:40,560
assessment district, wait until they
actually file an charge you an

1694
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:48,000
assessment fee. Um and the Supreme Court
had been asked to reveal that. Um now we

1695
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:53,600
go back to um the court of appeals again
as far as okay now there's been an

1696
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:57,040
assessment filed um but this is again
still sitting in both the Supreme Court

1697
02:22:55,120 --> 02:23:01,359
for the one and the court of appeals for
the other. Um so again hanging out

1698
02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:06,319
waiting on our court systems for clear
answers on that. The final one um we

1699
02:23:04,399 --> 02:23:10,640
actually have oral arguments on for
October 15th. This is actually the

1700
02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:17,280
Higgins Lake property owners um appeal
of the actual assessment in our local

1701
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:24,960
circuit court. Um so Garish Township
also will be appealing, but um we had

1702
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:31,439
agreed that Garish Township um could
basically pend their filing until the

1703
02:23:28,399 --> 02:23:35,920
decision on the HOPA1 comes into bound.
Um, so depending on how this ruling goes

1704
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:40,720
in circuit court will depend on where
Garish moves forward with theirs as

1705
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:44,080
well. So those are the four that we
have.

1706
02:23:42,319 --> 02:23:48,560
» Any questions?
>> Madam Chair, just a quick one between

1707
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:54,080
those two the both the HOPA's they're
both about the creation of it or is one

1708
02:23:51,439 --> 02:23:56,000
the the amounts that were assessed
because they're two different things,

1709
02:23:55,520 --> 02:24:02,640
right?
>> Yes. So, the one that is going to be

1710
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:10,240
October 15th in our circuit court is
specific to the amounts, but the

1711
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:13,680
original the original suit in regards to
the creation of a special assessment.

1712
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:20,960
When it went to the court of appeals,
the court of appeals basically said,

1713
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:23,920
"You filed too early." Um, come back.
>> They filed too early.

1714
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:29,439
» Yes. You filed too early. They haven't
charged you anything. So there's nothing

1715
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:32,560
here for you to to appeal to. Um so
obviously there's kind of a dual track

1716
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:36,640
now that's going. Obviously they have to
start in circuit court because that's

1717
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:40,880
the answer. Um but it will pend into
depending on that outcome could pend

1718
02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:48,800
into court of appeals. Um, additionally
with that one, there was a request um by

1719
02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:55,840
Ellison to the Supreme Court that they
look at how the Court of Appeals handled

1720
02:24:53,120 --> 02:25:00,520
that ruling as well. And so that's also
still out there in the wind.

1721
02:25:02,319 --> 02:25:10,280
Helpful. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Any qu other questions for

1722
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:10,280
Jody on those

1723
02:25:13,359 --> 02:25:20,760
motions and resolutions? We have none.
So, we are back to public comment.

1724
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:27,960
Come on up.

1725
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:44,960
Uh Craig Cartman, Holton Lake,
my neighbor, Mr. Bisby, uh was talking

1726
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:48,359
about our infrastructure uh for H Hotton
Lake. Uh

1727
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:56,560
I've been there a long time. I grew up
on the lake. Uh

1728
02:25:54,240 --> 02:26:02,960
there's consequences to these decisions
we make. Uh

1729
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:07,920
we have a future out here. Uh
we need to base the future on the data.

1730
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:12,240
We have
potent one of the most studied lakes

1731
02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:21,760
perhaps in the world. We got mounds of
data. We have mounds of lake level data.

1732
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:27,840
Uh 40 years of uh uh dam operations and
guidelines from USGS.

1733
02:26:25,120 --> 02:26:34,720
We have a 100red-year flood elevation
for H Hotton Lake. Uh

1734
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:39,359
uh we have previous reports from
engineers,

1735
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:46,080
all of which seem to say uh make sure
you manage the lake uh aggressively with

1736
02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:50,319
with the with the levels we have, which
means don't bank water. President

1737
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:56,880
Newuhof come up with the operations
manual that banks water.

1738
02:26:53,920 --> 02:27:01,439
Uh
I don't know how we plan a future when

1739
02:26:59,439 --> 02:27:06,080
we don't
when we can't manage the water levels.

1740
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:13,359
Uh
this is a eat fish eat fish. I grabbed

1741
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:18,160
it. It was down the hallway here. Uh our
lakes are everything.

1742
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:24,160
Fish in H Hotton Lake. One report says
uh 11 metals, seven pesticides, and

1743
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:31,439
three organics. Uh
lots of toxins in our lake. Uh again,

1744
02:27:27,840 --> 02:27:36,720
lots of data. Lakes heavily polluted. We
have an improvement board public act. I

1745
02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:43,680
think that one's 309. Did I get it
right? 30. I always get them mixed up.

1746
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:48,560
309. Uh the duties of a of a lake board,
a Holton Lake improvement board. Uh

1747
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:54,160
number one is flooding. Number two is
pollution. Uh we

1748
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:58,720
They don't address the flooding and
pollution. You raise a lake level, you

1749
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:03,840
didn't address the flooding or the
pollution. Our shorelines are

1750
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:10,160
surrounded. Our whole shoreline now is a
is a flood wall. Uh shorelines clean our

1751
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:15,439
lakes. They clean the debris.
I got stones in front of my house, so I

1752
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:22,319
get to clean the debris up. Last year I
had 10 truckloads of debris or weed

1753
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:27,200
fragments and uh uh of course styrofoam
and everything else that the people

1754
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:31,520
throw in the lake, beer cans. But for
most of the flood walls, uh everybody

1755
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:34,920
just sheds their stuff on those that
have a shoreline.

1756
02:28:35,439 --> 02:28:42,399
I don't know if we can have a future at
H Hotton Lake if you don't address the

1757
02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:47,840
flooding in a responsible manner.
I don't know if we have a future at H

1758
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:54,560
Hotton Lake if you can't address the
pollution in our lake in a responsible

1759
02:28:50,880 --> 02:29:00,880
manner. Uh Hotton Lake improvement board
this past year I believe there were over

1760
02:28:56,479 --> 02:29:11,120
a million dollars in pesticides uh to
kill plants to kill animals. Uh uh some

1761
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:16,240
of these pesticides uh uh
they're dangerous. Uh they're dangerous

1762
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:21,200
if you have a drop. They're dangerous if
you have a million dollars worth. You

1763
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:27,200
put them out in the middle of the lake
and with the wind driven tides, these

1764
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:32,319
plumes of pesticides, these plumes of
lake treatments, uh, I know they end up

1765
02:29:30,319 --> 02:29:37,080
in front of my house cuz it kills the
weeds in by the end of my dock.

1766
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:45,600
We need to have a different future for H
Hotton Lake openness. Tell us what

1767
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:51,120
you're doing, what chemicals you're
doing. Uh,

1768
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:57,640
I just don't see where we're going
anywhere. Thank you.

1769
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:57,640
» Thank you. Come on up, Dave.

1770
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:08,640
» I have some
questions uh with respect to the

1771
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:15,040
operations manual. I believe the manual
was mandated we use 88 datam

1772
02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:19,840
not the dinosaur 29 but all the
information that's posted

1773
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:25,040
on your website for the lake levels in
29 data that's against that's a

1774
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:30,560
violation of the court order on the
operations man that's wrong we shouldn't

1775
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:37,200
go back and be dinosaurs
we should be doing what is

1776
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:43,359
now the proper response and level and
utilization of information we have.

1777
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:48,880
Another thing I'm gravely concerned
about is

1778
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:54,720
all the studies and stuff that were done
by primuhoff

1779
02:30:51,359 --> 02:31:00,240
on the control structure
said that as you multiply the number of

1780
02:30:57,040 --> 02:31:04,040
gates each gate reduces the volume that
it sends through it.

1781
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:11,760
Now, we're going to try to add two more
gates,

1782
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:15,760
which is the way it's been presented and
going,

1783
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:20,399
and we're not going to gain anything
because downstream you can't move that

1784
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:25,600
water.
So, the extra property issue and all

1785
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:32,800
that should be null and void. There's no
reason for that. We have the scientific

1786
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:37,760
data. Brian New actually presented it.
So, we really should use our heads a

1787
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:43,200
little bit more and do basically what
the design of that manual was to

1788
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:51,120
perceive
what the increase of material and water

1789
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:59,560
coming to the lake is going to be and be
proactive because I think every one of

1790
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:59,560
you is aware you can do one inch a week

1791
02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:09,520
that's all you can control
and that doesn't get it when you have

1792
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:14,240
spring floods, fall floods, 3 in of
rain. You get three inches of rain, you

1793
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:19,200
raise that lake level 6 in,
it's a multiple factor because of the

1794
02:32:16,319 --> 02:32:25,120
size of the drainage, the 200 square
miles of drainage into there. Another

1795
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:30,560
thing talking about this DNR
with the uh H Hotton Lake, Moskegan

1796
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:37,200
River marsh area,
moving water into H Hotton Lake.

1797
02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:42,319
Is that a coordinated event to the water
control people, the structure that you

1798
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:45,840
people and uh people on the lake have
knowledge of that we're trying to

1799
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:52,080
control the lake will level with?
Because is if they drop that 15 in that

1800
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:56,000
water went into Holton Lake, we got to
get it out of there.

1801
02:32:54,160 --> 02:33:01,200
And how do you how long does it take to
get 15 inches of water in that size of

1802
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:08,080
volume of that marsh out of there? Does
it take a month?

1803
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:12,399
two months, one inch a week. People
think about it. That's something that we

1804
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:16,640
really have to understand. And we don't
have control of that channel. And if

1805
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:22,640
they're going to do something with that
channel, that's on the the the state

1806
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:27,439
because that's state property. It's not
property that people on the lake should

1807
02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:32,720
have to pay for that improvement.
Keep that in mind because that could be

1808
02:33:29,439 --> 02:33:37,359
a real stinger if it came to be. So, I
appreciate

1809
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:39,680
my ability to give you input and I hope
you listen.

1810
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:45,960
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1811
02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:45,960
Any other public comment?

1812
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:49,640
» Am

1813
02:33:54,080 --> 02:34:02,080
you had mentioned the permit process
started. Um I know you well supposedly

1814
02:33:59,920 --> 02:34:07,040
plan to close it to the public. whatnot.
Um, have you considered I mean I know

1815
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:13,120
St. Helen the fishing was an issue with
doing the hydraulics. They don't want

1816
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:16,399
it. We have no representative from Lake
Township, which is where the dam is

1817
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:20,399
that's even part of these discussions,
which I think kind of a bummer, but

1818
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:23,920
that's a big recreational spot. There's
a lot of boats that go through there, a

1819
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:29,280
lot of kayaks that portage there every
day. This past weekend was extremely

1820
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:34,880
busy on that dam. Um the canoe race been
going on for half a dozen years now. Uh

1821
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:38,800
have we thought about that? None of
these you mentioned the permit process

1822
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:43,280
has started but no one has been shown
the design to actually intend to well

1823
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:49,520
sort of encroach into our property
without us even knowing what's going on.

1824
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:52,399
And I think the people not addressing
that it's going to be more than you

1825
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:55,200
think. I mean those boats are just going
to get drugged through our front yard.

1826
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:59,840
Those people aren't going to stop. Have
you put when Chase was coming out and

1827
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:04,240
actively speaking, have you thought
about a portage there? Is there going to

1828
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:08,160
be an actual dedicated portage for
people? Tons of hunters go through in

1829
02:35:06,319 --> 02:35:12,399
the winter when the dam's open. I mean,
it's I live there, right? It's in my

1830
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:17,840
front yard for anybody who doesn't know
that. And

1831
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:23,280
I watch this every day. So it's not I
maybe valuable information, maybe not,

1832
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:29,680
but I see everything that goes on there.
How much it gets used. It's not defense

1833
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:34,960
they put up now helps considerably, but
when you try to shut it down completely,

1834
02:35:33,439 --> 02:35:39,040
there's going to be a lot more people
than you realize. I mean, can we make

1835
02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:43,040
that public knowledge? maybe talk about
it with somebody, especially since our

1836
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:47,280
township's not represented here in these
discussions.

1837
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:50,560
Something to think about. I said it was
a very quick discussion when they said,

1838
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:54,399
"We don't want this in St. Helen. We
want to fish."

1839
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:58,479
If a person shows up and says this in
Hotton Lake is are we just going to

1840
02:35:56,640 --> 02:36:00,960
redisuss this whole thing? Doesn't
sounds like their minds have already

1841
02:35:59,680 --> 02:36:05,760
been made if the permits have already
been applied for.

1842
02:36:03,359 --> 02:36:11,600
Just something to think about.
Appreciate it. And as far as the water

1843
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:15,920
shear, yeah, very little that dam
in most times of the year, it is wide

1844
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:19,520
open and it doesn't do craft. For
everybody that thinks it's going to wash

1845
02:36:17,920 --> 02:36:23,280
out the lake or it's going to fail and
we're not going to have one, that's not

1846
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:27,680
true. Most of the time it is wide open
and your lakes still there. There's no

1847
02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:32,160
issues. Um, the few times that you close
it up like right now, okay, most of the

1848
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:35,760
gates, some have been rebuilt, the
center logs have been replaced, Chase

1849
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:40,479
built some that over overlapped, etc.,
etc., But the two on the very ends do

1850
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:45,680
still function as a weird gate. So we're
just an inch over right now over the 81.

1851
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:49,520
And there's a tiny bit of water flowing
over them this morning. The rest of them

1852
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:53,280
are all higher for some reason or
another and don't operate as a weird

1853
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:56,720
gate. But truth is, even with them all
closed, you got about this much of a

1854
02:36:55,200 --> 02:37:01,359
difference in water level from one side
to the other. It's a very minimal what

1855
02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:05,680
that dam does. So for everybody that
thinks the lake's going to disappear,

1856
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:10,560
that's not real true. You know, it seems
like hydraulics. I understand the ease

1857
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:15,040
of opening the boards, but it's this
seems like a lot of expense and like I

1858
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:19,760
said, the plans just keep getting
grander and grander and you're

1859
02:37:16,319 --> 02:37:22,720
landlocked as it is. So,
>> that's all just considerations.

1860
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:29,080
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

1861
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:29,080
» Any other public comment?

1862
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Word comment.
Commissioner Mley.

1863
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Good.
>> Commissioner Milbour, Commissioner

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Wolson,
>> I'm good.

1865
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» The one thing that I did want to mention
um as far as with the DNR is when

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Commissioner Wolson and I sat down and
we spoke with them um regarding the

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whole Reedsburg the flats things like
that. Yes, there's an open communication

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that will be going. Um, one of the
reasons that they held off on the flat

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projects was because of how high H
Hotton Lake was for so long. Um, that's

1870
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one of the things we asked for was their
every two weeks they supposedly have an

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update to try to keep us um out at
Reedsburg. I think they

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talked about the
>> the levels at the

1873
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» Yeah, the benchmark levels and things of
that nature

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» and they actually went up the river
looking for obstructions

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» and things of that. So, um, they did
admit that in the spring their

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high-fi gauge was off and so therefore
the benchmark that they were

1877
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going off of wasn't.
>> Mhm. So,

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» and also also concerning the if I might
ch

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» Yeah.
>> Concerning the flats, we were not

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notified they were draining the flats.
>> No. And we're trying to keep an open

1881
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line so that in the future we're
notified when things like that happen

1882
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because it drained into it own light
when we were high. Plain and simple. Um

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so we're working on that.
>> And as far as the permitting process,

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that's just the basically the initial
permit saying that they're going to be

1885
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submitting for a new structure. It
doesn't say anything about what that

1886
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structure is going to look like. The
final design approval hasn't even been

1887
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brought before the board yet. So, we're
not that far. A permitting process is

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months before we'll get to the final.
And there will be lots of

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communications, I'm sure, back and forth
with the engineers just like there was

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every time Chase applied for a permit.
Thank you, Madam Chair, for clarifying

1891
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that because it did initially sound like
the permit meant that. But if I

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understood from what I've heard, and I'm
the newest one on this group to hear all

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of it, that permit has to be done before
you even do the next type of permit.

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That's kind of that process that the DNR
requires

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» for us to go through.
So you have to basically apply and pay

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for like a joint permit to even start
>> the process

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» the process and that's what that permit
is is just starting the process. They're

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comfortable with where they are in their
phase of stuff to come to the board and

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present to the board. Um we've talked
about you know that property on the

1900
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east. Um, we are doing that land swap
with the DNR. That is going as planned.

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And the question was proposed, if we
didn't want to use property on the east,

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could we take and move that over to the
west? And would Eagle and DNR have any

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issues with that or would there be any
foreseen issues?

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Um, they have taken a look at that. DNR
both um DNR and Eagle both have

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responded back to the engineers that
they do not foresee any issues. No

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wetlands would be impacted. So moving it
to the west is and that's property that

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the county then will own. So then we can
keep that in mind if we continue

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» want to keep that structure
>> private

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because now that property we will own
the county itself. It won't be on

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anybody else's. It'll be on theirs.
>> Well, I'm glad that we're starting that

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DNR conversation more frequently. I
think from what I've heard in the past,

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it's not been a connection and a and a
discussion. Can't control them.

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Obviously, we don't run them, but
knowing that they understand where we're

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at, the impacts of what they do impact
our lakes, that at least that dialogue

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is better than where it used to be.
>> So, thanks.

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» With no more board comment, this meeting
would be adjourned.