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so we're running a little late I
apologize but I'm going to call to order

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the February meeting of Rose Valley
burough Council we had an executive

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session before the meeting to talk about
a tax appeal and a few other real estate

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issues uh and with that we will start
with the Pledge of

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Allegiance conations the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stand
one nation under God

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indivisible

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andice all right first on the agenda is
approval of the minutes for our January

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meeting Paula
has I can try there's some open seats up

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here too if you want to move
up so first up is approval of the

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January meeting minutes which Paul
distributed uh via email earlier are

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there any comments questions or
corrections to those

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minutes is there a motion to approve
those minutes so is there a

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second all in favor please vote by
saying I I any opposed that carries

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70 so now that brings us to public
comment for anyone in the audience that

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would like to address the board on any
items either on the agenda or off is

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there anyone that would like to make a
public

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comment Neighbors

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about okay
um we're neighbors neighbors to the

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school looking anly forward to
hearing uh the response to the complaint

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that we made about schooling
and as

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Asal sure so the mayor and I met with
the president of the board of SRV as

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well as the head of school at SRV a
couple of weeks ago at this point um to

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find out particularly their plans for
two Roy en coft they conveyed to us that

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their plans were to keep it as single
family residential which it is currently

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zoned and to rent it out um we suggested
that they put that in writing to the

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different residents that have reached
out to them I don't think they have done

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that they have told us that they are
planning to have a meeting with all of

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the residents um somewhere in the
burough has that been

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scheduled yes it's next th okay at the
school at the school great um so I would

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certainly not hesitate to voice your
concerns about both two royland coft and

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the parking at 15 School Lane at that
meeting um we have looked at our zoning

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ordinances and
are deciding what to do about the

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parking at school Lane and I think part
of what we do is going to depend on how

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that meeting on Thursday with the
residents go whether they can allay your

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concerns or not
Larry Larry C night school Wayan uh we

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have a communication from them
yesterday um regarding that meeting um

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they are not planning to discuss any or
disclose any of their plans

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they just want to hear our concerns that
is what they told us they said they

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wanted it to be a listening session
which the mayor and I both conveyed we

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thought was not the best course of
action but it's their meeting to run

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so we would prefer to be a listening
part agreed understood and I did invite

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them to come to this meeting and tell us
what their intentions are regarding uh

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to ring C but they said they they refer
to wait till after they meet with the

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Neighbors Bar 19 school and it seems
like what they intend to do with 15 I I

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don't understand why the bur is not
enforcing current Z coordinates so that

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seems to be decoupled from what they
plan or what they want to do so I'm here

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to kind of understand what is burrow
doing

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15 well option A is we wait until after
you have your meeting and see if you

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guys can come to some agreement because
the bureau

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doesn't take anybody to task if the
neighbors don't complain like let's say

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you have a shed it's in within 20 feet
of your property line the burough is not

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going to go after you if uh your
neighbor's not complaining and I think

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after during the pandemic they started
parking some cars there and it was a

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little noise back then but it kind of
calmed down and we neighbors haven't

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complained since then so that's why we
haven't take but hold on that's why we

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haven't address the issue of the parking
because we haven't really gotten any

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complaints now we've gotten a
complaint we could wait until we have

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this meeting next Thursday you guys have
this meeting so if you can work it out

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you can tell them the the bureau council
is just waiting to see how your meeting

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turns out otherwise they're going to say
this is not an acceptable

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use uh that was our thought we could say
tonight that you know we're going to do

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something but we thought it's always
better let people try and work things

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out first before we

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uh so good with that
meeting they did not invite the burough

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just the uh residents on the Lan they
ask us if we would like you and Matt you

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or
Matt they ask I'm happy to be there if

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you want me there you want to be there
sure all right mat okay should I come

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too can I get invited to

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you're I feel left
out but we believe the meeting will be

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on school R it will not be any
person

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okay

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Kelly The Roosters um just to see if
there was anything that

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um

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and
um so at the burough council's meeting

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in January in
December we had a draft ordinance that I

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had prepared and
circulated uh there was an expressed

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interest uh that some people had they
had not had a sufficient opportunity to

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study the ordinance and comment on it

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and one representative of the community
said they would be willing to

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invite the chicken owners and rooster
owners to uh get together and see what

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their comments were at the December
burough council meeting we agreed and I

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among them to defer a decision on
publication of the draft ordinance

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because the way it works bro Council
first has to decide whether to publish

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an ordinance as something they intend to
adopt and then there's approximately a

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30day period for the public to see the
published

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document and then at the meeting that
that allows after that opportunity for

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study of the published document then the
community can come and oppose support it

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and B Council can vote on whether to
adopt it or not or to defer adopting it

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or to amend it and republish it so
instead of voting at our December

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meeting to decide to publish it in its
present form we decided to give an

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opportunity for chicken owners foul
owners to comment on what they felt were

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best practices now the draft ordinance
had four substantiv sections one section

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banned roosters outright with a twoe
notice for removal of the rooster and

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then a penalty section if that was not
done in a timely fashion with escalating

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penalties that's how that ordinance that
section was

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drafted the council and I can't
speak the sense of the meeting from my

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perspective was invite comments on three
other sections not on the section

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regarding roosters the position that I
certainly expressed and will Express

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again right here we have heard a great
deal of comment about

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roosters and that's speaking for myself
only a political judgment balancing out

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noise issues and
um ownership issues of your property and

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where to draw the line and we've heard a
great deal of debate and comment on that

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and I I'm always eager to hear more but
I personally have made up my own mind on

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that and I think many members of burl
Council have so we were not inviting

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further comment on the rooster band
component of the ordinance but we were

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receptive to again I was and I think
other members of council were as well to

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getting comment on the three other
components of the ordinance draft which

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I'm going by memory here is number of
foul per

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acre the best practices for
enclosure fencing and a coupe and best

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practices for uh pollution
runoff and on that issue the draft

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ordinance was which I drafted
was mostly pattern on existing

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ordinances from Media or
Swarthmore

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and it it seemed appropriate in my
judgment to allow further comment from

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rooster owners if they felt instead of X
numbers of foul per acre it should be X+

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one or xus one or X
plus2 the the primary issue brought to

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council was the rooster issue not best
practices in the the absence of roosters

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so the theory was that at this meeting
we would get a report from chicken

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owners with their views on best
practices for those things but not

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acknowledging the freedom to raise again
the issue of roosters if they so

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choose and then there was a request that
they have additional time until our

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March meeting
and you know I I think a reason position

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could be that we started this in I think
June uh at a burough council meeting

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and we decided in December to give
people until February and then we got a

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request for an additional month and is
that a reasonable request or not on the

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other
hand we've had a burrow that's survived

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for over a hundred years without a
rooster ordinance and we're all trying

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to get along my understanding is there
no present roosters to be dealt with

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except perhaps one or more at the
school but no residential

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roosters certainly if there are any I'm
happy to hear about it but I I'm not

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ising they get their chickens and their
things like that but what one of the

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things I wanted to bring up was that um
I sat at that EAC meeting and I loved

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what you proposed and then the other
things were coming up about how there's

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some houses that have quite a few foul
in their yard and so it evolved from

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there my problem is roosters but then
listening to it and saying that you know

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we should have some kind of ordinance
for people moving into Rose Valley and

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knowing that okay we're allowed to have
chickens it needs to be by this much by

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this much by this much and you can only
have this many and I thought that was a

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great plan I had a friend in Todd called
and

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who on your lane is causing all the
problems with the chickens I just had

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somebody come to my house telling me
that you're that someone on your lane is

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trying to ban chickens and roosters and
or no just chickens and I started to

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laugh and I said that's me so what do
you want to talk about but you're

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noted but you're not trying to B chick
no I'm not but I said my problem was the

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roosters but what I have a problem with
that somebody's going around

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up all the chicken people and be like oh
they're doing all this stuff you need to

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come out you need to do this they're
trying to you know make it so you can't

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have
any like how did that get to that after

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the nice EAC meeting I sat with with you
I and then all of a sudden you know you

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put it back into bur first bur counil
pled it to you and now it's beinged back

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to bur Council and we're still
waiting sorry well I I I know it's you I

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I I can't explain how uh um things get
described by other

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people uh but I can tell you that the
the draft ordinance is and I if I

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haven't sent it to you I'm happy to send
it to you but it's very simple it says

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no roosters with penalties under certain
time tle it says X number of chickens

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are foul per acre it says yes enclosures
and a coup and it there no polluted

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runoff yeah and and so why is someone
going around somebody and I can

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tell well I I I don't know the word
riling people up

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is I'm not the goal is to give people an
opportunity to be heard at least that's

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my personal goal it's been going on and
and I I'm

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I'm I hesitate to say this but I think
maybe I've spent more time on roosters

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than any other human in the
burough so I have written back to I

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think I hope everybody who's emailed me
and I've gotten emails and I've attended

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meetings and so on and drafted the
ordinance so I'm well aware of that I'm

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also aware that this is a matter of of
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my I was not anticipating this a

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greatly a huge amount of energy energ
and investment is held by some people on

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this issue and out of respect I I
personally am prepared to give them

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another month I've said that on March
2nd or March 3rd which is a Monday I

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need a written report with any proposed
changes in the ordinance and the reasons

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for them and then I will take that into
consideration in what I redraft for the

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buau at our March meeting so as far as
I'm concerned this is going to be voted

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on or at least it's going to be on the
agenda for a vote at our March meeting

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with a specific content prepared and
taking into consideration what people

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had shared on March

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3rd sorry for the long
comments any other public comment David

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David I think mat mentioned theol that
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they they rent it out does the B have
any shortterm Ral

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are there any restrictions for to become
an Airbnb or some other sort of rental

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facility no you have to have long-term
rentals like years like years so there's

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not it's not an it's not an

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near yes Hillary H 19
schooling um I just had a quick question

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you mentioned earlier that um at the
meeting with the school we could advise

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them um of sort of what I believe we're
likely to hear later um and regarding

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their use of 15 and I'm just wondering
they had a surveyor out today uh

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surveying a lot so I'm wondering if that
has

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been has been communicated to them
otherwise I'm sorry if what has been

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communicated to them um the Burrow's
position on the use of it has not

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because we just got the solicitor
opinion on it um I I'm it's conjecture

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but my guess is that the surveyor was
out there in connection with they're

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doing some campus Master planning right
now so perhaps it was related to that

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but I I don't know thank you
sure all right if there's no other

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public comment I'd like to take um
something out of order here and move it

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up from finances which is the Rose
Valley folk Amusement tax relief request

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since we have represent pres atives of
the folk here tonight so let's uh let's

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turn to that item now uh G you were here
last month to make a request for um

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relief from the amusement tax that the
buau assesses the folk every year um and

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I know you provided some information to
us so do you want to walk us through

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that speak loudly we can't hear you sure
sure is this louder I just so we just

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handed out our um email and and actual
versus our budget versus actuals over

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the course of two years from
2023 through 2025 in our

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budget
also from

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20224 account
balances so what we're looking for

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so um so just as a statement during Co
we solve

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um first of all we were basically shut
down from rentals um we also saw a

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decrease in our account balance and so
what we've learned from that lesson is

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is that uh we need to have
a proper account balance in case another

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epidemic occurs or there's some
catastrophe or some reason we also know

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that
um we have a lot of competition with

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other wedding venues um as well as uh
we're not seeing the same um return on

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rentals like in the hot summer months is
either so we're seeing some Trends

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happening um that we have to consider
for the future for uh the sustainability

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of the mill so um if not
um a uh one year we would like to um

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actually uh for the future have uh an
ordinance such as the pool does um so

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that we can continue on um with doing
these projects that we shared um

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projects that are uh to bring us up to
coup projects that are going allow us to

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be uh competitive with these wedding
venues such as we had to put off the men

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room as just a small example um because
uh you know just

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but now we know that in order to stay uh
competitive and uh you know have all the

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you know have all the communities come
here we need to have the up here so

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that's what we're looking for so you'd
like to be

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permanently uh yes basically you're
one's left we got hedro got out of the

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amusement tax years ago when they came
at five on C3 the pool got out last year

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because they have they don't make money
they need to replace their pool and

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you're having less rental income more
expenses you have a lot more competition

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yes and I know I used more expensive I
used to be the rental chair the folk and

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during the summer we would rent it out
every mon every Friday Saturday and

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Sunday every weekend all summer long and
I was talking to Kelly Coffield who's

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the new now the rental chair and you
have like two

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rentals in July and August a is the
Saturday every

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Saturday there
we're finding that the reason they're

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not R in July and AUST is because people
don't want to get married in churches

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anymore they get married outside and
nobody wants to hold wedding the middle

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of July and August in the right it's too
hot that's why it's too hot so that's

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why we're not renting as much that's
what the our says she's finding it

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harder to get rental and we've even
given a discount what about what about

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the total number of rentals for the year
does that does that mean people are just

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moving into the you know shoulder month
all mayed all June all seped all

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October Fray

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and yeah like all the Saturdays in
August and maybe a couple Fridays buts

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but not everyone used to but it also was

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w we can do a lot of it
outside and then of course we can't move

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too far far into the winter because the
weather gets cold and no win gets

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married in December January February or

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March is there any questions you well I
was going to ask you know one of the

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things that was raised by different
members of the board at different time

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was that a lot of the sense was that a
lot of the rentals are from out of

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burrow

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residents
a a month MERS up to a year and a lot of

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them

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rich I don't think it's so much the
rentals it's we're talking about 100

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some year old building here
vle need to be updated

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to we have weend
the Pavilion out there needs to be re or

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walls going to fall down we're taking
down the air rate s we're looking at

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between 80 $100,000 in additional
expenses just to maintain this building

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for the next couple years uh the back
wall the shed is falling

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off the bridge across the matter needs
tol

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so I don't think it's so much what's
coming with Ral I think it's what we see

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going out just to maintain the building
that's this old and you know we can do a

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little bit increase rentals that's not
going to help us to take care of

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maintain building so that a lot of
people

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use the bur Offices here EAC the bur
council's here the voice Scouts are here

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in addition to the weddings and
everything else I think it's not so much

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what we anticipate over the next four to
five years just going out just to

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maintain this building so itn't fall
down and that's what we shared y we did

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get that via email does anybody have
questions sure I'll

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ask what our ms100

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reason try again and even with the the
MERS only $25,000 year

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a lot1
of

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people I've also inreased the
M amount when ment the old if you're not

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a m of the old you pay $5500 for
Saturday just to rent doesn't include

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theat or anything
members were playing a lot less but I

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raised that the boarded it last year um
to help to we we were not weren

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M now at least breaking even are

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m onday

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2 stretch here indicate you guys did
well last

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but
like

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notating every year would that be every
year those projects a lot of them are

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onetime projects that would happen you
would hope as soon as possible or this

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year Okay so do you have an a copy that
we Shar uh no in the email no I don't

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have a PR out of that so you'll see that
there are projects that are scheduled

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that are the highest priority from 2025
throughout

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2035 okay I we'll look at it more
closely and they're based on um when was

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the last maintenance done on those items
and when is it coming up again okay

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thank you sure and then we have a c
that's the and then we have a category

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of what can we do to improve the
facility to stay competitive okay and

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those projects are also mixed in there
and to come up with the annual uh needs

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yeah okay thank you
sure Matt

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yeah
so I'm sorry I'm trying

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to sort of do my homework quickly I just
got a copy of the revenue profit a loss

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budget uh versus actual for uh fiscal
year July 23 through June 24 and then I

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guess a separate one
for July 24 through January 25 and I

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apologize in advance if I've missed
because I mean I just got these when I

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sat down here but is there a provision
in either of these budgets to set aside

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money for Capital

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Improvements Jim hi Jim how are you
so I'll do my best to try and answer of

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that question so you'll notice if you
look at our our

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income we have more in bank we ever had
before HED up there said on

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the build

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grounds on the board so we knew after
last year study cre that long datal list

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that we had needs greater than we could
actually need matter of fact we saving

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our money this year not really doing a
lot of one or two things like planting

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flowers in the gardens or doing a
significant amount of painting on the

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walls we would like to be more
competitive this year cater we have

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things planned like we have some coom
issues for electrical Bic carpet put a

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wood dance floor in the facility things
are going to hopefully help us rentals

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year on a regular basis we do not have a
dollar value to set aside every year

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other than we're trying to work out of
that budget and our savings that minimum

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value of one year we learn during which
was about $150,000 our just in case if

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Pro it for failure that we would lose a
year or flood or another Co or some

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other component for income so that we
would not have to as an organization

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either out
or find a way for

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us come Sol so I hope that ansers the

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question
so if I heard you correctly there is no

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provision in the budget for a set aside
for Capital

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Improvements and there is this list of
projected Capital Improvements that add

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up to approximately a million dollars in
r round numbers over the next X number

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of
years the amount of taxes that we're

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talking about is
$113,000 we had the same debate with the

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pool
which resolved itself in a manner of

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speaking I guess
um I'm just trying to understand what I

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think you're trying to lead us to the
answer and I think we would already say

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we've already seen the answer we know
our membership dues have to go up we

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just raised them by 20% we know our
rentals have to go up our income stream

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has to go up and our costs have to go
down so we have been moving to move our

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income up we're also asking at the same
time to see if we can get relief from

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you help some of our cost come that okay
and and in

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turn we had this debate with the pool my
memory is imperfect the pool basically

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said they they can't afford to pay the
amusement tax they're going to have to

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replace the pool and I asked as I recall
like well will you commit to putting

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this money that we're waving for taxes
as a set aside for Capital Improvements

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and at least in my memory which is
imperfect the answer was well no we'll

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take care of it just don't charge us the
money and we decided to say okay to that

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I'm not I didn't feel that
was that that seemed to me like asking

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for a tax break with without committing
to using the savings for the things that

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were needed so that's why I was asking
about a budget line item for paying for

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these Capital Improvements and and
whether or not the money that you're

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asking to be
forgiven

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for some period of time will actually be
used for the things that you have

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planned for
improvements and if there's no wide

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align item in the budget already
that that it's like I'm I'm confused by

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that with with all respect so there
because I mean this is a million dollars

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you're planning to spend over the next
eight nine

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years and we're not seeing a set aside
in the last two years so Leonard there

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there is a line in the budget for
interior exterior maintenance and repair

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of 20,000 but that's not improvements
that's maintenance and repair which is

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most of what they're talking about on
okay that's that okay that

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sorry I say again I'm sorry bud our
budget year on top of operational Bud

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well that I would have again would I
mean you guys we I'm not this is I'm

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just asking mean like I'm just trying to
understand why that wasn't there already

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for the last forever years because I
mean you always have to set aside money

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for Capital Improvements that's like
depreciating your asset because there's

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always expenses I think that the money
they make I think that's what there're

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trying to set aside like last year they
made her what $22,000 or something

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that's going to go
towards Capital Improvement

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and the world is full of organizations
that engage deferred maintenance because

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they need the money today I get that so
I guess I'm really looking to the Future

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I'm not trying to debate the past but
the plan for the future is to have a set

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aside for these necessary Capital
Improvements of which this money for the

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amusement tax would be

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included I wanted to really start off by

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thanking you folks

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owns what is

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their The Rose Valley folk owns the
property is that your question that is

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my question know that that's the right
answer it is the right answer they own

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the proper

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well we regard you're talking about the
burough office rent the folk was the

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folk was kind enough in the

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past more money yes well the folk and
the burrow entered into an agreement

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where you agreed that the folk would the
bu would help you I think acquire

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esteric Furniture if you forgave the
rent for 10 years and that was like five

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years ago yes so we have that agreement
in place that's right when that

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agreement SP expires then it says
something about what the rent's going to

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be but that is kind of set in stone for
until that agreement

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expires question
I think um

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now the revenue that the fol generated
the bur 13,000 Sal if

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that's set
aside how do we make up that

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,000 said differently doesn't every
taxpayer commun have to

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generate I guess High tax
uh to make up for that Rue I think

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that's true we have to probably raise
taxes or I'd say a large number of

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people in the burrow are members of the
Rose Valley folk so it's it's benefiting

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them and we really want this the folk
and this building to flourish and

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survive and be here for the long term we
want like the pool we want and hedro we

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want to help these survive and do
so it's the residents who are benefiting

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they can have voicey Scout meetings here
they can have Valley boices concerts

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they can have the variety show so they
get a lot of benefits from having the

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folks their taxes might go up but the
folks going to be

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okay yeah there there are times when I
try and reconcile you know

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any other questions for the
vote we get a copy of

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sheet well this is kind of the this is
has their balance sheet and here's for

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last year and there's a
p&l is that what you that's the end of

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June 30th
I'm sorry you probably said this before

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but I just want to make sure I I got it
right the set aside that you want for

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your reserves for emergencies not the
reserve for Capital Improvements your

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target number for that
is I'm sorry one more time how much do

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you want to set aside for emergencies in
terms of a reserve we did figured about

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$150,000 150 and does this say you have
187

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now is that that number at the
the that's as of

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63024 okay now I just wanted to make
sure I heard it and yeah see if I got

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that those numbers right so so you're
good in terms of your reserve you have a

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little Surplus there to go towards as a
first step to go towards either you know

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your Capital Improvements that's correct
great I I I heard some adjustments are

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being made in like I think you said
plantings and some other things to try

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to bring some costs down this year
um what about your member events um it

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looks like a pretty big a pretty big
line item you know are you asking the

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membership to uh you know contribute by
uh asking a little less of the

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organization things
there so we have an entertainment

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committee and we have volunteers from
the membership that also help out with

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parties so we establish a
budget so we're

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much more aware
that um we try to find uh the best way

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to entertain but on a budget now okay so
before we would blow the budgets that we

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were given for the events and now we're
like we're no we can't we can't do that

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anymore we have to stick with what we're
planning okay that's number one number

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two is then we don't have to use the
cater that's here let's say Okay so

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we're now this is new we are now
venturing out trying to bring different

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caterers costly for the events so that's
one initiative that's made this past uh

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six months to a year um so that's how
we've focused on member events okay

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besides raising the membership all right
appreciate that also you no on the two

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bu on a year-over-year
basis

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member admission fees budgeted 25%
increas

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to say you know for members that have
been members a long time you know some

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of that was a rud Awakening I'm sure I'm
sure but we had to navigate that and

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just explain ourselves you know because
after Co things were just really just

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sort of a wall you know as far as what
expenses

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and supply chain and whatever the things
that we came up for and then when the

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difference between Donald catering and
then our new caterer too was a big

427
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,920
change for the
numbers thank

428
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,720
you

429
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:27,319
sh or occasions but anyway it seems that
there was a change in the weather when

430
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,839
theator
yes is that generated plenty of Revenue

431
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:36,960
to keep this place
moving not a question

432
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:54,760
that's I
apprciate although you know seeing it

433
00:42:51,920 --> 00:43:01,640
from this angle I understand takes
Revenue to keep this place running

434
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,319
so it seems to me that the caterer
brought in

435
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:12,720
lately is not as effective as Don Conor
but you're telling me differently that's

436
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:14,920
fine I just feel like this is maybe next
to

437
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:28,760
Valley Place Philadelphia to get married
so let's get some marketing cater Market

438
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,760
this place

439
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,400
the walls are falling down and it Tak
that to keep it

440
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,520
moving

441
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:58,480
seems second question and then I'm so
Aon let me can I just address that

442
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:02,880
question there so of Hearts actually has
multiple locations and you know this

443
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:09,280
isn't about Donald but because he was
great but U they have more uh like

444
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:14,960
networking across the Philadelphia Val
so I think that that's helpful so I

445
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,960
think we're seeing that come

446
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:28,760
to I don't know how much so I've heard
13,000 a year tax leave for for this

447
00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:28,760
facility how much was

448
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:41,880
well I'll just mention that hedro
basically stopped paying the taxes they

449
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:48,040
just weren't making they weren't even
paying us

450
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:52,800
and so but they legally are now oh yeah
now they now they have they there's no

451
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:57,480
legal obligation to pay taxes because
they're qualified as a charitable

452
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:02,839
nonprofit so we couldn't collect taxes
from them even if we wanted to is my

453
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:10,319
understanding right okay okay so there
was no Revenue there fine and the pool

454
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:15,400
doesn't matter now all three of our
facilities

455
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:20,319
are
5000 we're thinking it might have been

456
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,319
5,000 for the

457
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:30,040
pool
theast they

458
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:36,040
releas the last five years so
yes and now they're permanently Exempted

459
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:40,920
what you would you would like me again
not not to I quibbled on this at the

460
00:45:38,839 --> 00:45:45,680
last meeting they're Exempted by current
ordinance right they're not permanently

461
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:49,839
Exempted right there's a
difference if we change the ordinance

462
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,920
they won't be Exempted that's right
right so the question before us and I

463
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:59,359
know we just got a bunch of financial
information we just got a bunch of

464
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:04,079
information verbally and I want a bit of
time to process it but the decision that

465
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:12,640
we need to make and I hope to make it at
the next meeting is one do we Abate the

466
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:18,240
folks um Amusement tax for this year and
two do we Abate it permanently do we

467
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:24,000
amend the ordinance again or do we just
repeal the amusement tax ordinance so I

468
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:29,040
think those are the decisions before us
um this is not on our agenda for Action

469
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:33,400
tonight so I would like to do that
either next month or the

470
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:38,359
following and it might depend on
snowfall I mean it we were hoping for we

471
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:43,880
a year like last year where we had very
low snowflower and salting

472
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:48,119
expenses but this year looks like
it's not not trending well sherff that

473
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,880
that was my question where will the
money come from we this you know just

474
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:57,480
it's an unfortunate timing that the
budget was just passed in December and

475
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:01,839
this is coming up after the budget for
this year was already passed with all

476
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:06,599
the things you know we're expected
income and expected expenses now we do

477
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:11,400
can we can hope that we don't have to
pay a lot in plowing and salting because

478
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:16,319
that's a big expense for the Bro really
I was surprised how big it is um but

479
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:21,520
it's a little out of our control because
because there just has to be money to to

480
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:28,520
pay the bills so I I see it we hear as
of two parts one is this year and then

481
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:36,440
the second part to that is one
that just how toig how to figure it out

482
00:47:33,319 --> 00:47:42,200
so okay thank
you all right so moving back to the

483
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:47,040
agenda as before you we'll go to
environment in

484
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:55,480
EAC can I repeat everything I said about
roosters yes please please that was a

485
00:47:51,720 --> 00:48:00,200
joke um excuse me that we don't want to
parp the rest of our

486
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:04,839
you're welcome to go yes you're welcome
to stay but you're also

487
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:08,920
welcome sure yeah it's like a fol
meeting when everyone leaves after the

488
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,920
people

489
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:13,599
V

490
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:31,040
sure all right so um as regards um the
dear Management program for hunting in

491
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:38,160
Todd Morton Woods
preserve um this year uh one individual

492
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:43,319
who's authorized a hunt was uh
authorized only for the month of January

493
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:49,640
we didn't address the issue for the two
weeks in the past that was allowed

494
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:57,480
between Thanksgiving and Christmas uh
one buck and five dough were uh

495
00:48:52,440 --> 00:49:02,520
harvested by our hunter um there is um I
think some consideration being given by

496
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:09,440
the EAC to author to recommend to bro
councel that hunting be allowed also in

497
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:15,640
Chadwick preserve next year um the
Harvest of six deer does is a drop in

498
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:22,119
the bucket in terms of the number of
deer that are here in our burrow and U I

499
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:27,119
had six walk across my yard this morning
and I'm pretty sure they stuck their

500
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:27,119
tongue out at me

501
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:37,119
i' I've counted 12 on my neighbors lawn
across the way at any one time uh last

502
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:42,160
year so I mean they do migrate to be
sure

503
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:45,359
but the number of deer is hugely out of
balance from an environmental

504
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:53,000
perspective which is why the
environmental advisory Council supports

505
00:49:48,119 --> 00:50:01,960
this as a minimal effort to uh balance
uh things out so that's just an update

506
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:07,920
on on that um the um eac's annual native
plant sale is scheduled for May

507
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:13,040
10th um and we've coordinated that with
the folks so that the parking is not a

508
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:18,799
problem and we're not going to be
interfering um we have uh what we call

509
00:50:16,799 --> 00:50:26,280
the annual it's now an annual free the
trees weekend um this is an interesting

510
00:50:23,319 --> 00:50:31,200
experiment of uh governance or uh
community ation or education we've been

511
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:36,640
talking about removing English Ivy from
trees at the EAC for five or six years

512
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:41,440
now we've been doing the announcements
in the burrow I see wonderful neighbors

513
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:45,559
and people all over the burrow have ivy
on their trees then I see other people

514
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:50,599
who are spending thousands and thousands
of dollars to take down trees that have

515
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:54,799
IV on them because the trees have died
and we're just going to keep at it we're

516
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:59,559
happy to come on people's private
property and cut down the ivy we're

517
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:06,000
making incremental progress each year
we've done like a 100 plus trees and

518
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:09,920
once the ivy is cut down for the most
part the deer prevent The Ivy from ever

519
00:51:08,839 --> 00:51:16,680
growing
back at least in Todd Woods I know

520
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:22,000
this from living next to it we cut down
Ivy off of every tree that we could find

521
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:29,359
in The Preserve and there it's never
come back so and on your own properties

522
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:33,040
there Ivy when it grows up the trees it
create it sets berries there's no

523
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:38,760
berries on Ivy when it stays on the
ground it has to go vertical in order to

524
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:43,200
go to seed birds eat the seeds and then
it repopulates

525
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:47,160
everywhere and it's better for your
trees if the ivy is not on them because

526
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:51,480
especially in the winter they hold ice
and snow they have a huge amount of

527
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:57,599
extra weight that's greater than leaves
would be and then that puts them at risk

528
00:51:53,400 --> 00:52:03,440
of blowing over and if the I tops the
tree it kills the tree so we're going to

529
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:09,079
keep at it every year for the indefinite
future and hope someday that our burrow

530
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:14,960
uh and it's also an invasive plant it
doesn't provide any nutrients or

531
00:52:10,839 --> 00:52:20,000
anything in except the deer um so anyway
that's uh scheduled for April 5th and

532
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:25,200
6th we have a workday and tree planting
scheduled for May and um a variety of

533
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:28,960
other things but I certainly encourage
everyone to participate in native plant

534
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:35,880
sale it's a revenue producer for the
burrow of around5 to 7,000 it's the best

535
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:39,960
deal anywhere I know of in Delaware
County for three bucks you can get

536
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:46,520
native plants that are suited to this
area they Thrive they're great they're

537
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,520
terrific and it's a lot of

538
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:56,599
fun okay uh highways insurance and
Technology T so nothing on highways and

539
00:52:52,839 --> 00:53:03,960
insurance this month um however uh techn
ology abounds we've been busy uh since

540
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:10,000
last month um we got a scanner for the
burough office which uh allows Paula and

541
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:13,960
Lisa to get rid of the giant fax machine
uh so that should uh with a little bit

542
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:20,000
of a a learning curve on the software
for all of us uh we should be in good

543
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:25,799
shape um we just switched over literally
this morning we switched over the phone

544
00:53:21,799 --> 00:53:31,960
system to uh a service called Uma which
is voiceover internet uh it drops our

545
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:38,839
monthly spend on phone service from
about 160 down to roughly

546
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:42,920
$62 um we got the phones from them for
30 bucks each and they're you know

547
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:48,920
perfectly nice office
phones uh and then all of this uh

548
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:53,520
Contraption here is our new uh live
stream system we are testing it tonight

549
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:57,559
there's only a couple of people uh
watching it um I'm already seeing some

550
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:06,559
things I'm going to have to adjust a
little bit um but all in including uh a

551
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:11,520
refurbished uh laptop uh these lovely
tabletop mics that I got from a guy on

552
00:54:08,839 --> 00:54:17,160
Craigslist um we are all in for less
than $1,000 um there's maybe a couple

553
00:54:14,799 --> 00:54:21,440
hundred extra dollars that I'm going the
camera may have to be upgraded it

554
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:26,880
doesn't capture everybody so sorry it's
only Bill in this way we need to move

555
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:30,799
Leonard down further yeah yeah out the
room um so we might have to do a little

556
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:35,200
something with that I need to get a case
just to put things in so that I'm not

557
00:54:32,359 --> 00:54:40,160
carrying it a cardboard box um but
functionally it seems to be working my

558
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:46,799
uh my uh my reviewer on the other end
says we are Audible and Vis and visible

559
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:51,280
uh so starting next month um you know we
now have a YouTube channel for the

560
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:58,160
burough and starting next month we
should be live good job that's great

561
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,160
thanks for all of that great

562
00:54:58,839 --> 00:55:09,040
all right Library Cather um yeah I'm
going to make it short I handed a

563
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:12,960
handout to everybody and um that is uh
from the board of directors meeting that

564
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:18,760
was in January that is all on the
website so if anybody's interested um go

565
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:26,359
to Helen Kate furnace and on the website
is listed the um encapsulation of

566
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:36,880
everything that we did there last year
for the library and um just shortly also

567
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:43,319
quickly um Delco Gibbs Day last year was
incredibly successful for everything

568
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:50,920
that was in the buau um hedro did it the
museum did it Helen Kate did it and so

569
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:56,559
the um Helen Kate actually ended up and
getting over $32,000 in funds and the

570
00:55:54,839 --> 00:56:03,280
Delco
Gibbs day unlocked an additional

571
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:10,240
$7,200 so it's a lot of money that
private individuals are giving the way

572
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:15,240
they want to give when they want to give
um which is really a terrific way for

573
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:20,680
all of the entities to make money and
then um very quickly the um board of

574
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:25,680
directors meeting was held on January
28th that review is on the website you

575
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:32,520
can see it the virtual author talks are
coming up again this month there will be

576
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:38,240
one on February 18th um two in March one
on March 12th and one on March 20th the

577
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:42,440
gal who was giving the talk on March
20th is a Woman by the name of Clara

578
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:47,839
bingan and I went to summer camp with
her as a

579
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:53,400
child that's my personal plug for Clara
but um they are all really terrific um

580
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:57,599
author talks it's engaging it's
interactive if you have questions to ask

581
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:02,200
the authors you can send them in ahead
of time and if you miss the time they

582
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:07,240
are all recorded so you can go back and
see them and the annual appeal is

583
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:12,480
getting ready to go out and that is a
paper letter and that is the library's

584
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:17,640
biggest fundraiser and that will be um
mailed out next

585
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:23,599
month great thank
you uh Public Safety Sher mine's going

586
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:27,000
to be even shorter it's a competition
now what it's a competition for brevity

587
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:31,200
everybody got a lot of stuff I don't
have a lot of stuff actually and so

588
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:37,640
we're missing some things um we still
have one traffic camera um I got the

589
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:41,720
number of the person that um Deb deasi
used to be in contact with at all

590
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:47,559
Traffic Solutions I've left a message
and sent an email and I resolve to do

591
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:53,000
that every other day until somebody just
says we're not going to do it we're

592
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:57,480
never going to what is the problem so um
I was glad to get thank you Paula for

593
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:02,280
with that
information um there's no updates for uh

594
00:58:01,319 --> 00:58:09,440
Town
watch we have last month we had a police

595
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:15,720
report but no fire report and this month
we have a fire report with only one uh

596
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:20,160
EMT visit so nothing nothing really
happened nothing to report we don't get

597
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:28,559
any more information than what's show
shown there um but with the change of

598
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:33,880
our state assigned state trooper at uh
retiring um we have not been given a

599
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:40,440
contact name and it seems that the
messages that I'm sending um to the

600
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:44,799
barracks are just going just I expected
to have the reports I should have

601
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:48,960
contacted them earlier during the last
few days but Deb deasi said she used to

602
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:53,720
just go to the barracks and just show up
and introduce herself so I think that's

603
00:58:51,680 --> 00:59:00,200
maybe what I I need to do is just to go
over and say hi you know small But

604
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:05,520
Mighty keep in touch that's
it all

605
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:12,119
right uh planning Shannon yeah so we
have a u just a bit of an update on the

606
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:18,920
uh pathway that uh Bill and Matt are
going to walk uh with pico um along the

607
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:24,000
path to talk about timing and the trees
and and their projects there because

608
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:28,319
it's a pretty big um part of the timing
for the rest of the path Construction

609
00:59:26,839 --> 00:59:33,960
uh there are ongoing talks with the
neighbors along the path and about their

610
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:39,359
concerns and about adjustments to be
made to the plans um so that's

611
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:45,319
progressing bill you have a couple of
things that we need to approve for

612
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:50,920
advancement with mattman right so uh
there are subdivision plans and some

613
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:55,160
conservation easements Construction
Construction

614
00:59:51,960 --> 01:00:01,520
easements so we need Bureau Council to
approve the preparation of subdivision

615
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:06,160
plans for the SE Cedars they're going to
give us a small amount of land that uh

616
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:10,640
the Boy Scouts actually built the trail
on they don't want to own that property

617
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:15,240
because it's a liability for them it's a
relatively small amount of land but we

618
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:20,559
have to do a subdivision uh plan for
conveyance of that little bit to the

619
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:25,359
burough Rose Valley and the uh we've
talked to the Thomases they don't want

620
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:30,480
to own the burrow right of way it's
going to have this is path on it that's

621
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:34,079
a liability the rest of it is pend Road
that's a

622
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:38,440
liability um so we're going to do a
another subdivision plan for the

623
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:42,200
conveyance of the burough right of way
to the burough Rose Valley and uh the

624
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:47,160
burough
engineer usually does those things we

625
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:51,280
need approval from Council to have those
subdivision plans done you want to do

626
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:58,200
that first yeah so is there a motion to
approve Matt hootman to prepare those

627
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,200
subdivision plans is there a

628
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:08,160
second too slow
I sure

629
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Call

630
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:19,720
It Whatever the plan is be made the plan
is for it to be Madam so wouldn't it be

631
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:26,680
a that would be would it just be like
more simple to call a sidewalk instead

632
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:31,039
of like telling everybody it's a
right when we go out for bid you know we

633
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:35,680
go out to get grants the grants we have
gotten are Greenways grants and they

634
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:40,280
want it to be called a trail so our
plans show say it's a trail a grand

635
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:48,720
application said it was a trail we've
called it a a walking path and U yeah

636
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:57,839
just quick question would the bu be
responsible for grass cutting or shy

637
01:01:53,279 --> 01:01:57,839
maintenance or whatever associated with

638
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:09,400
well the cedar property is doesn't have
any grass it's all um English ivy and

639
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:14,240
pakistaner and and its path so Cedars
know the Thomases it's basically going

640
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:18,240
to be the road a
little and it's across the street from

641
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:23,200
Pew Park if there is grass the
people who across who cut Pew Park we

642
01:02:21,319 --> 01:02:29,680
just go across the street and maybe cut
the little um dividing

643
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:36,640
area of grass between the edge of Rose
Valley Road and The Madam Trail and

644
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:42,039
that's about it's not very but but just
to be clear if the burrow owns it no one

645
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:46,160
else is going to it it's going to be us
it's going to be us okay so the answer

646
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:50,359
to the question was yes
yes we wanted to shovel

647
01:02:51,799 --> 01:03:01,559
that we would do it these two properties
are easy because they'll be on burough

648
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:07,359
property Pew Park is a real burough
property so we approve the sub Mission

649
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:14,920
no so it's motion been made and seconded
any other comments or questions all in

650
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:17,920
favor I you oppos carries 7 Z
koser

651
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:29,520
okay I just wondered um is so pend is
Pico coming what about P do they know

652
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:34,279
about this well pic's coming on on
February 24th Matt Paul and I are going

653
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:39,520
to walk with them and they're going to
talk about which trees they plan to take

654
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:47,480
down but this is also because they're
putting big poles down out they have new

655
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:55,160
wires they have new wires that they want
to and so they're coming to walk the

656
01:03:51,480 --> 01:04:00,760
road because we want to see where these
are going to

657
01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:00,760
and and what trees are going to

658
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:12,680
be do it's a very good question and
we've been advised all along try if you

659
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:16,119
can possibly do it stay out of the pen
do right away because once you get

660
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:21,799
involved with pend do it's a whole
another kettle of fish they used to

661
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:26,079
be we've heard stories where we would go
to a meeting with pendot and they would

662
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:29,680
show up with 24 engineers and
technicians

663
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:33,039
and we've been told by our consultant
that it's gotten better pend out has

664
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:38,160
realized that pass are a good thing and
they need to get with the program but

665
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:43,440
fortunately for us on the advice of Matt
we are staying out of the pend dot right

666
01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:43,440
away so no

667
01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:55,760
problem Rob is is there a map of the
trail yes publicly available right and I

668
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:01,799
have a copy right back here and only
goes from Woodard Road to Buttonwood

669
01:04:58,839 --> 01:05:04,920
Way that that we got funding
for but I can show you active meeting we

670
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,920
have
the

671
01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:18,480
Teresa from
question pend does not know about the

672
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:22,279
proposed well pendot knows about it but
they don't need to review

673
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:29,000
it we're not because we're not in their
right

674
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:35,240
right so can I is what you just Ved on
what is

675
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:40,559
the people to Comm the assessments that
are how much is hootman subdivision plan

676
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:43,760
going to cost is that the question well
you know that you're having you

677
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:47,599
know it's totally

678
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:58,079
unrelated to Cedar and to Thomases and
the purchasing that what is the we're

679
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:03,039
we're not purchasing it they're giving
they're donating those Parcels the cost

680
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:07,640
to us will be the engineer preparing the
subdivision plan what does that

681
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:14,640
c less than a th bucks I mean I don't
know what he's going to really charge it

682
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:19,319
probably less than 500 because we've
already prepared the plans for the trail

683
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:25,559
he's just taking
off simplifying it down to bound many

684
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,920
mat Matt

685
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:40,240
hoopman no no but the first one was
20,000 no the consultant that we hired

686
01:06:37,799 --> 01:06:44,720
that we had grant funding for I think
Bill Thomas was a total of 20,000 I

687
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:49,760
don't know what we've spent on hootman
I'd say a hopman's 12,000 or something I

688
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,760
don't

689
01:06:53,960 --> 01:07:01,039
know us the
burrow the county reviews it gives us

690
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:08,799
advice but our Planning Commission will
look at it and advise buau Council and

691
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,799
then bur Council renders a

692
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:20,920
decision okay the next items uh did we
vote we did we did so the next items are

693
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:27,079
conserv no construction easements
temporary construction easements to make

694
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:31,760
it safer and and easier for us to do the
work instead of working from Rose Valley

695
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:38,240
Road Cedars and the Thomases are
agreeing to let us work from their house

696
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:43,760
side of the property and uh The Cedars
are letting us come in and we have take

697
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:49,240
down some trees regrade the
hillside um so they're going to give us

698
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:55,079
a temporary construction
easement and

699
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:59,760
um it enables us to work in the path
that's in the adjacent

700
01:07:56,839 --> 01:08:05,839
rideways or the adjacent Pew Park
property and um regrade install

701
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:10,279
Landscaping so there's a construction
easement for the Cedars and also for the

702
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:18,600
Thomases the Thomases are going to give
us a construction easement for the 15

703
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:23,920
ft towards the house from the uh burrow
RightWay to do to help with construction

704
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:29,199
and regrade andant the Hedge and they
want a hedge they want uh

705
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:36,239
replacement hedge planted and some uh
trees replacement trees so we're uh

706
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:41,040
we've already work with gy Smith to
prepare the uh construction easements

707
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:47,319
which are pretty straightforward but we
need approval to enter in an agreement

708
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:52,359
with um the property owners so is there
a motion to enter those two temporary

709
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:58,400
constructions let's let's get a motion
on the floor let's get the motion on the

710
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,400
floor mve okay is there a second

711
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:11,239
second well it depends on how many which
trees Pico take you

712
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:24,480
down to ask that question differently is
the funding for these construction

713
01:09:20,679 --> 01:09:27,640
easements come from the grants or does
the B

714
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:35,040
you mean for the
preparation whatever mediation work has

715
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:39,839
to happen construction there's no cost
associated with the Construction Grants

716
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:43,560
the easement the construction uh
construction easements temporary

717
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:48,480
construction eement system no C no C
other than preparing them which G Smith

718
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:54,320
but if you taken I'm sorry I'm sorry you
Tak trees down

719
01:09:50,759 --> 01:10:03,000
anding those part those cost I just was
asking that the gr yes yes lard so I

720
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:08,960
have a question
so I would expect that the easement

721
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:14,080
obligates the burrow to indemnify and
protect the landowner from any fer

722
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:19,679
damage that
occurs if some if if a fire is started

723
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:25,400
on the as a result of the work on the
easement and it burns down their house

724
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:30,600
that's going to be on the bur now that
is

725
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:36,480
of a remote risk obviously but my point
is we we presumably have

726
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:42,520
to alert our insurance carrier that this
is an expanded scope of

727
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:46,360
liability that the burrow is accepting
by entering into these easements so I

728
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:52,320
would think we need to have this covered
under whatever policy we

729
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:58,040
have I will just say that we've done
this many times the latest being time W

730
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:02,120
drive for a construction easement from
alessie to fix up the

731
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:05,360
embankment we're also not the ones doing
the work it's going to be contractors

732
01:11:03,719 --> 01:11:11,239
and it'll be contractors that carry the
insurance so long right so long as

733
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:17,280
somebody has the cover insured we
increase tell our insurer because it's

734
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:21,400
kind of Elsewhere well I it depends if
if the if the contract if the

735
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:26,719
construction company has the coverage
and covers the burrow that's fine I just

736
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:32,199
wanted to have that clarified
I I think to the extent that our

737
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:37,840
insurance is implicated most uh general
liability policies include coverage for

738
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:41,920
things like Indemnity that you take on
under contract so you don't have to

739
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:47,440
specifically notify the insurance
company I just wanted to make sure I'm

740
01:11:43,159 --> 01:11:51,199
just I'm I'm I'm just explaining so let
me explain you're telling me that that I

741
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:55,600
know that's typically the case I wanted
to

742
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:59,040
verify when we put this out to bid one
of the requirements for the biders will

743
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:04,679
be that they carry the appropriate
insurance and naming the burrow as an

744
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:12,040
additional Insurance correct okay Rich
what's the construction for thearer said

745
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:19,679
for Thomas 15 what's it for the cedar
property well it's about it it goes up

746
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:24,199
their driveway about uh 75 feet into
their property whole driveway now we're

747
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:27,600
going to repave the first like 80 feet
of their driveway

748
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:31,320
the driveway being done so their EAS
going all the way up their driveway to

749
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:35,400
almost their house no not almost their
house it's going up 80 ft that's not

750
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:41,520
even close to their house and it's also
70 ft wide towards the Thomas' property

751
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:46,280
so it's actually a very good space for
for the construction people to work in

752
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:52,080
you know they can lay down equipment
they can bring in cranes if they need to

753
01:12:48,679 --> 01:12:56,080
or um things to raid the Hillside and
it's a very nice work area they're very

754
01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:01,280
uh
I'm very happy they're letting us work

755
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:06,080
drive because we're going to tear that
driveway up that's the whole understand

756
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:12,800
yeah
okay I'm ask an oddball

757
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:17,320
question we're going to have a
trail I'm I don't the only picture of a

758
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:23,239
trail that I have in my head there's
there's the one down near uh down toward

759
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:29,920
the mill here right outside of the
entrance and then the other is near the

760
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:36,840
train station those two trails that I'm
aware of my question though is in the

761
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:46,040
buau creating a trail is there a
liability created to the buau for injury

762
01:13:42,679 --> 01:13:51,199
vehicular or otherwise will these Trails
be close

763
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:56,199
enough in the line of sight are people
going to be able to safely pass one

764
01:13:52,960 --> 01:14:02,280
another are bicycles going to be Etc is
there any liability that's anticipated

765
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,280
in that

766
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:14,320
regard you want to handle that well we
we have insurance

767
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:21,480
for there's a an act it's called the
municipal subdivision tort claims act

768
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:25,760
and that act sets forth the limitations
on people being able to sue the burrow

769
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:32,159
for any topic
any issue any

770
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:37,040
damage and we have insurance that covers
everything within the municipal

771
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:42,880
subdivision tort claims act so we're
covered for everything everywhere that's

772
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:51,000
lawfully brought against
us so this Trail won't change any of

773
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:55,760
that we're covered it's not going to
raise our rates for example or it's just

774
01:14:53,199 --> 01:15:01,600
not going to change anything
okay you understand my concern I mean I

775
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:07,040
do you're creating a new a new
throughway but people invting people to

776
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:11,920
uh travel in a different mode I will be
glad to give you a copy of the municipal

777
01:15:09,719 --> 01:15:16,600
subdivision tort claims act which is
many pages of

778
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:20,920
garbage but the bottom line to it is it
sets forth each and every one of the

779
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:25,120
things that people can sue us for and a
lot of the stuff that people think they

780
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:30,560
can sue you for they can't in addition
to that there's a cap on what they can

781
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:35,560
recover from us depending on the kind of
injury or the damage that was caused so

782
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:43,159
we're covered two ways by the act and
we're covered by our insurance under the

783
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:48,280
ACT did I get that clear sure okay yeah
as long as you know the bur oh it's a

784
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:54,520
good question everybody these days
everybody worries about people being

785
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:59,199
sued for the dumbest stuff uh but yes
well we're on top of that all the time

786
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:04,600
Paula and I talk about it regularly our
insurance people talk about it with us

787
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:08,960
regularly and counil whenever we have a
project that might cause some of these

788
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:13,280
things we address that with the
insurance companies to make sure that

789
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:19,239
we're we're covered so I know we
are thank you okay you're welcome Teresa

790
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:22,800
just question on that you said we cover
I can't hear you oh you're the first

791
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,600
person that ever told me you can't hear
me because my voice carries that's just

792
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:30,360
anyway
um you said that we were covered can you

793
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:35,040
provide Clarity on what amount we're
covered up

794
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:39,760
to the amount that's not the amount that
we can be sued for under the municipal

795
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:43,800
Tor claims act right so that's a ceiling
insurance for our insurance but the

796
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:47,880
insurance covers up to that amount and
the law precludes any recovery beyond

797
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:52,960
that amount right but what is that
amount I think it's

798
01:16:49,719 --> 01:16:58,199
$500,000 if 500,000 is the maximum
anybody can sue us for on under the most

799
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:04,080
egregious claims there are other issues
at smaller levels with smaller coverages

800
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:10,320
but 500,000 is the big one okay and and
we're we're covered for that and because

801
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:16,440
it might be multiple people involved
rather than one person we have insurance

802
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:21,600
covering the multiplicity of people so
our limit is not 500,000 our limit is

803
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:25,400
500,000 per person but we have insurance
coverage in the Millions for that

804
01:17:23,719 --> 01:17:31,719
wonderful thank you that's
so we're we're nowhere near anything

805
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:35,840
that would cause that kind of number but
but we

806
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:40,960
are this is one of Paula's real strong
suits here that she pays close attention

807
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:45,920
to all of these insurances so we know
exactly what's going on thank you that's

808
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:50,880
really helpful you're welcome and if
anybody has any questions about that

809
01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:55,000
email me anytime G guysmith
aol.com I'll answer any questions about

810
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:59,280
insurance I can send you copies of of
the acts I can send you copies of our

811
01:17:56,440 --> 01:18:06,920
insurance Poli anything you want to see
you're the people that we B Council

812
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:10,480
represents and I work for Council so if
you tell me you want something get it to

813
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:15,560
council and they'll tell me to get it to
you or get it to me I get I have to get

814
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:19,719
the president's approval to respond to
those things so when we get an email

815
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:23,199
saying guy do this I get a hold of Matt
say Matt people want me to do this Matt

816
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:30,120
says go ahead and do it I get back to
you that's really than any any time okay

817
01:18:27,639 --> 01:18:35,280
so the motion's been made and seconded
all in

818
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:42,120
favor I any oppose that carries
70 so is that it for

819
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:48,120
planning so okay thank you that takes us
to finances status of funds report is in

820
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:53,840
your packet the
treasurer reconciled the Five bank

821
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:58,840
accounts as at the end of January
balance

822
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:03,480
a large dispersement out of improvement
fund which just taken

823
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:09,480
our balance and all accounts down to
283,000

824
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:14,400
the uh income report is in your packet
very small amount for this

825
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:26,719
january8 to
speak large assume the tax revenues are

826
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:26,719
just starting to come in right right

827
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:35,280
Bill bills for approval they come from
two

828
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:57,040
FES not this

829
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:07,760
we actually before I go further the
checks get

830
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:12,199
Beed not sign so what we're trying to do
is get

831
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:12,199
approval

832
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:21,120
tonight okay so what what were the
what's the

833
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:24,120
$130,000 road Improvement fund
dispersement

834
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:32,400
that's from last year's uh road work to
Innovative construction they did for tax

835
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:36,800
purposes they wanted to put their
incoming this year so they held on of

836
01:20:34,199 --> 01:20:40,199
the check for like four months so we
approved dispersing it months ago

837
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:44,080
they're just
finally okay

838
01:20:47,719 --> 01:20:56,639
a so we'll we'll have to keep an eye on
the spend out of that fund as it's

839
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,639
measured

840
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:08,080
the
second batch goes for approval from the

841
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:15,360
general
fund so the bigger ticket items were

842
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:24,600
quarterly payment
library and also a payment to arit for

843
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,600
Building Services

844
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:41,760
and otherwise the rest of the
ills

845
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:52,280
are okay is there a motion to approve
the bills for February of

846
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:58,239
2025 is there a
second Leonard you got it

847
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:03,760
any comments or questions on the bills I
just have one just to understand on the

848
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:09,679
um the bills for approval for the
salting M it seems like you know when

849
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:16,639
there's one date it's you know like
about $1,000

850
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:22,600
1,300 so for removal on 116
2527 but then for two dates it was the

851
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:27,800
first uh
item in the list is

852
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:33,000
7450 it's probably plowing in addition
to salting thank you okay so the other

853
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:37,159
ones were just Sal probably salting days
all would you say that's true all right

854
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:46,440
okay okay all in favor of approving the
bills any opposed that carries

855
01:22:46,679 --> 01:22:56,440
70 uh we dealt with the Rose Valley po
Comm using tax earlier so that takes us

856
01:22:51,719 --> 01:22:56,440
to manager's report I have

857
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:04,000
mayor's report I also have nothing to
report on you're losing the brevity

858
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:10,480
battles
here takes us to solicitors report we

859
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:15,560
dealt with the SRV issues earlier but is
there an update on the fence ordinance

860
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:20,320
um I've received nothing from anybody
about anything on the fence ordinance

861
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:24,679
except the mayor stopped by my office
earlier and we had a talk about whether

862
01:23:22,679 --> 01:23:29,920
or not we should have penalty provisions
and where they should be and um section

863
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:32,800
3231 of the state code says that we
really should if there's going to be a

864
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:37,480
penalty for whatever we should have a
penalty provision in the ordinance which

865
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:41,120
I don't have so I feel like we should if
if we're going to do that we need to put

866
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:46,600
put a penalty provision in there
covering the amounts s by the our other

867
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:51,000
ordinances which I will do but the
question is now what does council want

868
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:54,920
to do with the fence ordinance I I
thought where we left it there were

869
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:59,199
Provisions that you were taking out but
you were going to add the deer fencing

870
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:03,679
part out and I don't think we've seen a
draft with the deer

871
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:09,040
fencing I thought I sent that if I
didn't I'll send it I didn't see it then

872
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:15,280
I have to send it okay I
I okay I'm positive in my own false

873
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:19,560
little way that I did that but I didn't
apparently so I will do it so we'll

874
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:25,440
carry that over next yes and I I'll get
it out and I'll get the U penalty

875
01:24:21,719 --> 01:24:28,120
revisions in there okay
all right so that brings us to the end

876
01:24:26,679 --> 01:24:33,239
of the agenda is there a motion to
adjourn lard question oh sorry go I

877
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:40,840
would like to hear what the solicit
report is on SRV kind of alluded to

878
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:46,800
earlier I didn't get I'm sorry the uh
School in Rose Valley uh they they're

879
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:53,000
parking cars on the lot at 15 School
Lane and we talked about waiting until

880
01:24:50,880 --> 01:25:00,679
they have their meeting with the public
on the 17th 18 on the 17th 18 18th to

881
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:03,159
see what they're going to do about that
and see if they reach a consensus with

882
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:11,159
the
neighbors the position of burough

883
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:13,960
Council informally is that Council if
there's no further agreement with

884
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:18,639
anybody in the neighborhood if there's
still objection to it that Council will

885
01:25:17,119 --> 01:25:22,400
get in touch with the school and deal
with it directly with them in terms of

886
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:26,400
how Council believes they should or
should not be parking there the second

887
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:31,760
one which is the acquisition of two
roiling Tru they they already did

888
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:36,199
acquire that and that has a house on it
and they intend to rent that out which

889
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:41,639
they are entitled to do and so the
question there is only one of whether or

890
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:46,199
not that will remain a tax ratable or
whether it will be an

891
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:51,880
exempt property because they're an
exempt school um we've taken a position

892
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:56,920
on that in our discussions that it's if
they rent it out not use it for school

893
01:25:53,639 --> 01:26:01,480
purposes still a tax rable um I have
agreed that I will get in touch with the

894
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:05,119
Delaware County Board of assessment and
make sure that if there's any possible

895
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:08,600
change to that they will notify us
before the change is granted so we would

896
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:13,679
have an opportunity to object or or
participate in the

897
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:22,600
decision thank you back to 15 School
Lane okay is it the bur's assessment

898
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:29,800
that that is a nonconforming use of that
lot for residential lot it's a it's a

899
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:34,400
it's um violation they parking cars on
their parking cars on property zoned

900
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:39,960
single family residential correct
parking cars on a single family

901
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:44,600
residential use is an accessory to the
residential use which is the primary use

902
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:49,280
if there's no residence then the
question is can they have an accessory

903
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:52,920
use without having the primary use my
belief

904
01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:56,440
is although we don't have it directly
addressed in our ordinance either

905
01:26:54,320 --> 01:27:01,040
prohibiting it or approving it if
there's no primary use as a single

906
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:05,639
family residence there's because there
is no residence then you can only have

907
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:12,119
accessory uses subject to the fact that
you have the primary use so that

908
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:20,119
suggests to me that this use would be
improper under uh the the code because

909
01:27:18,199 --> 01:27:23,719
there is no primary use there's no
residence on that property it's been

910
01:27:21,639 --> 01:27:30,560
torn down so there's nothing but a
vacant lot with cars parked on it

911
01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:34,520
there's no um there's no coverage issue
and we have perious and impervious

912
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:38,880
Provisions that say you can only have a
certain amount of impervious cover on

913
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:43,800
your lot that's not the question most of
it is gravel or grass so that's not a

914
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:50,000
question the only question is can they
use the accessory use without having the

915
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:55,239
primary use uh that's in my opinion
necessary to allow them to have the

916
01:27:51,800 --> 01:28:00,320
accessory use so we're going to wait and
see what happens at the meeting with the

917
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:05,000
with the people in the surrounding
properties if they reach some sort of a

918
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:10,159
satisfactory consensus with everybody we
stay out of it if they don't then

919
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:14,800
Council will direct me as to how they
want me to proceed the the councel and

920
01:28:12,679 --> 01:28:14,800
the

921
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:24,600
mayor
Kell number two did that ever come up

922
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:31,080
for sale no how
even like know that it was so what they

923
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:34,960
told us is that the they have contacts
with that owner that owner sort of a

924
01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:39,080
member of the school Community their
kids went there or something and they

925
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:42,639
reached out to the school to say we're
going to put this on the market are you

926
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:48,400
interested in it and so they came to
agreement before it was ever listed with

927
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:55,520
a realtor so the bur would never I hope
allow that c to be torn down and then

928
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,520
there be like

929
01:28:55,719 --> 01:28:58,679
so the it's

930
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:08,480
not so royland royland coft is not a
dedicated street so they would not be

931
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:11,520
able to do that is the advice that we've
been

932
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:18,080
given because that was my primary
concern one of my primary concerns as

933
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:23,719
well sure
are there are a number of properties

934
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:27,960
that get sold without ever going on the
public um domain you don't see them in

935
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:32,040
ads or whatever a lot of Private Sales
take place the way we find out about

936
01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:36,679
those sales is we get our share of the
uh transfer tax so we know the property

937
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:41,159
was sold because we get money out of it
right that's how we know yeah I was

938
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:55,800
just more and more of them are being
sold sort of Word of Mouth privately um

939
01:29:51,880 --> 01:30:01,199
property prices are are are way up all
around here and so always okay but the

940
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:04,480
but the people know that if they get in
touch with certain people privately and

941
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:09,400
give them an opportunity they get their
own little bidding work going on the

942
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:12,400
inside and they make money sove on the
real

943
01:30:17,639 --> 01:30:25,800
rights longterm plans in development for
property no

944
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:35,440
correct why they just Reserve survey
both

945
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:42,560
properties I'm sorry if you're buying a
house to uh set up as a rental

946
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:49,760
property why would you need the I have
no idea they are could they seek

947
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:53,080
resoning they could and they came asking
at one point to rezone 15 School Lane

948
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:58,920
and we told them we're not doing that
because it was only they need two at

949
01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:03,679
least and that's what two Roy makes it
well they could do a they could do a

950
01:31:01,239 --> 01:31:07,639
reverse subdivis and take even 15 School
Lane and take it in with the other rest

951
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:15,080
of the school property it doesn't change
the zoning on 15 School Lane though well

952
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:18,400
even what it doesn't change the zoning
the zoning is partial by partial

953
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:22,480
throughout the burough so just because
they create that you know if they were

954
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:29,320
to merge that lot back in it doesn't
change our zoning map

955
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,320
it's still going to be Zone single

956
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:38,960
not what enforcement mechanisms do does
the bur have I'm sorry for the parking

957
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:45,480
on 15
school so the bureau can send them um

958
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:50,239
you know a zoning violation we can site
them for being in violation of our

959
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:56,960
zoning ordinance what does that mean is
that a fine a fine he goes in front of

960
01:31:53,400 --> 01:32:03,719
the district magistrate uh and that the
magistrate deals with the decision of

961
01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:03,719
what the penalty would be for the

962
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:11,360
violation which might
be I'm going to just say maybe $500 a

963
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:16,920
day but for every day there's a
violation it continues so but it's a

964
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:21,560
it's a pain in the neck process so you
know our hope is that it gets resolved

965
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:26,880
amicably but if not then the buau will
need to decide what action to take we we

966
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:32,760
could write them a letter we could
contact them in person we could uh issue

967
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:37,280
the citation first not do those things I
would think because of the school's um

968
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,600
importance to the burrow and the
Burrow's importance to the school we

969
01:32:39,159 --> 01:32:44,760
would probably try to get in touch with
them in in person and have some kind of

970
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:51,000
a face-to-face meeting and go over all
of this to give them a chance to uh

971
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:55,159
avoid what Matt just referred to is the
complicated process of taking this to

972
01:32:52,679 --> 01:33:00,199
court if you get to court court on this
regardless of what the magistrate does

973
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:04,719
that takes anywhere from 30 to 75 days
to get decided and then all they have to

974
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:09,040
do is file a notice of appeal and we're
in front of a judge in the Court of

975
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:15,280
Common Police they're running about a
year before they get the case heard

976
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:20,199
about a year
so that's a

977
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:25,400
mess we prefer not to gets to the
building here if you're 500 bucks a day

978
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:30,800
though just saying me
again you could pay for a lot of

979
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:36,960
building repair here at $500 a day as
long as that's outstanding but we would

980
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:42,600
have to file a
citation we would have to file a

981
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:45,840
citation every day each day in other
words we're paying him to do that if

982
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:51,199
there's a violation on Thursday we file
the violation if they violate on Friday

983
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:54,239
we file it again the viol we so by the
time we would get to court on the first

984
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:57,480
violation we'd have
more running along the trail right

985
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:04,239
behind
it that's a real pain and and judges

986
01:34:02,679 --> 01:34:08,040
tend to make their own decisions about
how they're going to handle this and

987
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:13,159
whether they're going to agree to allow
us to get the $500 a day in the

988
01:34:10,440 --> 01:34:19,600
violation or $200 a day or or wave the
fines on the other ones if

989
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:24,800
it it is a nightmare and whenever you
whenever you go to court what people

990
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:30,360
don't realize is
it's not asking for what you want that's

991
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:34,840
important it's knowing that somebody you
don't know is going to make a decision

992
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:38,760
you may not like that's important so you
you have to present yourself in a way

993
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:44,199
that you keep out
of the downside risks and the downside

994
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:48,000
possibilities first of all and secondly
there's an expense to all of this you're

995
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:51,679
going to need to bring people in and
have them testify and prove that there

996
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:56,639
was a violation and sometimes it means
we need pictures every day that we need

997
01:34:54,639 --> 01:35:01,920
somebody to go and take the picture so
we can prove our case in court it's not

998
01:34:59,159 --> 01:35:07,000
a question of me saying well I saw cars
there we're going to need proofs and

999
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:11,679
that the the the more complicated it
gets and the more serious it gets the

1000
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:14,840
more proofs you're going to need because
they're not going to roll over and give

1001
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:20,159
us $500 a day because they like us
they're going to fight

1002
01:35:16,119 --> 01:35:24,080
us so we would prefer to do all of this
amicably and get it resolved in a way

1003
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:28,320
that's satisfactory to all the burrow
residents because that's who Council

1004
01:35:25,639 --> 01:35:32,400
represents the people in the burrow if
that's not

1005
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:36,040
possible across that bridge when we get
to my my grandfather said it this way

1006
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:40,679
I'll be as nice as you let me be and
I'll be as mean as you make me be you

1007
01:35:38,199 --> 01:35:45,679
pick and that's kind of where we are
with things like this and we always I've

1008
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:49,760
always felt that Council takes the
position of trying to be as nice as

1009
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:54,159
they'll let me be and still solve the
problem for the people that Council

1010
01:35:51,760 --> 01:36:02,199
represents and this council is is very
good at being uh a true representative

1011
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:06,840
body there is no secret going on behind
the scenes here for anything as I said

1012
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:11,159
in Prior answers anything you ask of
anybody they'll give you you know a

1013
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:15,119
complete answer including the ones that
say we haven't done it yet but you'll

1014
01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:19,040
know where we stand and you know where
Council stands you heard Leonard give

1015
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:21,800
that wonderful explanation about what's
going on with the roosters and the

1016
01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:26,320
chickens and things because that's
exactly what's going on there's no

1017
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:30,800
secret to that so everything you
ask my job is to provide everything that

1018
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:35,119
Council lets me provide to the people
and and give good answers to these

1019
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:39,400
things and and study the questions so
that I do them real hard and that's

1020
01:36:37,719 --> 01:36:43,560
that's my
job did I hear you ask for a motion to

1021
01:36:41,639 --> 01:36:49,520
adjourn I did ask for a motion to
adjourn is there Joe second second all

1022
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:53,639
in
favor we areour

1023
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,440
okay we be done

1024
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:04,280
get I