[3:38] [click]
[3:51] Oh, there we go. There we go.
[3:53] Now it's better.
[3:54] Perfect.
[3:56] All right. Welcome, everyone, to
today's meeting.
[3:58] Monday, June 1st.
[4:01] All right, first I want to say, uh,
welcome to Damon, our new CEO.
[4:06] This is his first meeting, so welcome
to the council.
[4:10] Thank you.
[4:11] I also like to thank our CAE, uh,
Amanda Boris,
[4:14] for stepping in as acting CEO for
this past few months,
[4:19] helping us out.
[4:20] And, uh, she did a wonderful job,
keeping us rolling.
[4:23] And things worked nicely until such
time we could
[4:25] hire our new CEO, Damon, so.
[4:28] I thank Amanda for that.
[4:31] [chair squeak] I'll call a speak to
order.
[4:32] [gavel thud]
[4:34] First off, approval agenda.
[4:36] I'd just like to move, um, under new
business,
[4:40] the decision document, the comm bid
summary.
[4:43] I'd like to move that to after our in
camera, the Acom bid summary.
[4:47] We'll have that discussion after our
in camera,
[4:49] so we can make a decision on that.
[4:53] Is there anything else? No.
[4:55] No.
[4:57] Okay, can I have a motion on the
agenda?
[4:59] Councillor Carson.
[5:00] All those in favor.
[5:01] All is great.
[5:05] Any member to have a conflict of
interest on today's agenda?
[5:09] Noted.
[5:12] On to minutes, regular meeting of May
19th.
[5:17] Any errors or omissions that I noted?
[5:21] Can I get a motion to meet?
[5:22] No.
[5:27] for a motion for all
[5:28] Oh, sorry.
[5:29] opposed. All in favor.
[5:31] All is carried.
[5:32] Good.
[5:33] Public meeting, we have none.
Delegations of public forum, we have
none.
[5:38] Next communications, we have one and
that is an Imperial oil.
[5:46] received uh notification about the
possible contamination.
[5:54] Don't think the other ones that were
supposed to talk about later on
[5:57] count as communications even though
they're moved on to new business.
[6:02] Like, I don't put them in
communications if there's going to be
[6:04] a resolution of it.
[6:06] So any communications, for example,
the stop sign.
[6:09] Um, on Sixth Street.
[6:11] Pleasant Valley and Mount.
[6:14] Yes, there's probably going to be a
resolution of that, so it goes down
to new business.
[6:19] Okay, I guess I just thought they
were a communication too.
[6:21] They are a communication, but it
results in a resolution.
[6:24] So I asked the manager and she said
that's how she usually does it too,
so.
[6:28] If it's if it's wrong, I can
certainly move it up though.
[6:31] Let me know.
[6:32] normally if there's something on
there, I had to move it down
[6:34] anyways under new business because
there's a resolution to be done,
right?
[6:36] Yeah, we just picked some stuff and
moved it down.
[6:39] Yeah.
[6:40] Or she already had it on the new
business there.
[6:44] Usually communications usually just
informational with no resolution.
[6:48] Any questions or comments on the
[6:50] Like this is basically the land
between the old site and the highway
that they're saying is contaminated.
[6:55] And we they just have to let us know.
It doesn't mean they're going to
clean it up or anything.
[7:01] God forbid.
[7:02] I mean, put a nickel in there.
[7:04] It's a regulatory precautionary
notification that they have to do.
[7:08] Do we know if like if it finds its
way into a residential property or
that there's
[7:15] is there any way we can force them to
clean up that site?
[7:22] They can look into it.
[7:23] I know I asked Bob if he'd look at
it, to look at their utilities and
stuff, so.
[7:28] Like we have all of our water and
sewer in the highway.
[7:31] I mean, I it's been leaching out into
the highway for years, we dug that
curb stop.
[7:37] 15 years ago and you'd be scared to
light a match out in that Boulevard.
[7:45] Would that be on their owners or they
own the property to get that in with
specs with the government?
[7:51] Eventually, but as I understand that
they're required to remediate it,
[7:56] but part of that remediation process
is letting it sit until it naturally
takes care of itself, which could be
50 to 100 years, so.
[8:03] So they're still compliant with the
regulations that are in place as I
understand it.
[8:08] We met with the ministry over the old
SL properties on that.
[8:13] And their requirement right now is to
send out a letter. They do not have a
mandate from the environment to do
cleanups.
[8:23] During that meeting there was 1,800
properties around the province and
they weren't mandated to clean up any
of the 1,800.
[8:31] That comes up at Suma every so often,
right?
[8:33] I would assume so. I've never been to
Suma, but I think that's
[8:35] That ends up being just vacant lots
or whatever, because they take the
building down to make sure they don't
have to pay hardly anything for tax
[8:40] and then they have all kinds of games
they can play.
[8:44] Yeah, taxes are way cheaper than
digging that property out.
[8:47] Yep.
[8:48] Is there any way we can
[8:50] And we end up with a pile of
contaminated empty weedy lots along
our main drag.
[8:56] Well, is there any way we could like
is there any way we could like is
there a legal way for us to say, hey,
you've got a contaminated property
[9:01] that's vacant, the taxes go up on
that?
[9:04] No.
[9:05] I would say no because again, they're
following the regulations, so they're
in compliant with the regulations
that are currently in place.
[9:11] So it doesn't stop the town though
from sending out a letter and
expressing their concerns and maybe
putting some pressure on them, so.
[9:20] Any chance we can have a bylaw that
finds them?
[9:24] Well, I think the the I think the
only way this changes is if it costs
them more to keep it than to clean
it.
[9:31] We've been working on Suma for since
I started on council.
[9:34] Long time.
[9:35] Yeah. I was before my time too about
uh putting in a sub clause
[9:41] or sub class into the Suma when they
further discretionary use of
properties
[9:48] for contaminated, that just they
won't do it.
[9:52] So everyone these will treat as
commercial properties and the
[9:56] But it's not commercial, we can't
even hardly tax them as commercial
because it's a vacant weedy lot.
[10:01] Can you build a building on its own
unless you don't have
[10:04] subgrade structure or
[10:06] Sure.
[10:07] I'm not sure.
[10:08] Also not sure.
[10:09] I can look into all this if you want
and get some more
[10:11] information on it, so.
[10:12] Because maybe it's marketable for
somebody who's just
[10:14] doing a building on it.
[10:15] put another gas station.
[10:17] I don't want 20 years from now or 30
years from now yet
[10:19] another highway plot.
[10:22] Mhm.
[10:23] I think where it comes into play is
mortgage companies don't
[10:26] want to put a mortgage on a building
that's on
[10:28] I think that's the catch.
[10:30] Orgins.
[10:31] Yeah.
[10:32] Yeah.
[10:34] [throat clearing]
[10:36] Okay, anything else on that?
[10:39] Should be addressed for council?
[10:41] Then you want me to look into this a
bit more, or?
[10:43] Well, I wouldn't mind if we had
options. I know we've looked at it
[10:46] before, but I don't think there are
any options.
[10:48] but I'll confirm and get back to
this.
[10:51] They do have it for sale now, so
that's a change.
[10:53] We've been asking for them to do
something with the property.
[10:56] Now at least it's listed for sale, so
that's a change.
[11:00] that they started, anyways.
[11:04] Do they have it as a like for sale
for 10 bucks just get rid of it?
[11:08] There's a number on it.
[11:09] They they're selling Lexi and sells.
[11:12] Oh, okay.
[11:13] Full bore.
[11:14] [laughter]
[11:16] No.
[11:17] No, they we're talking about the oil,
the other property.
[11:19] It's not even on this agenda.
[11:22] I'm confused.
[11:24] It's the old the other.
[11:27] Okay, we'll continue on.
[11:29] Financial reports, we have none.
[11:31] On to approval of accounts.
[11:34] Uh, yes sir. So just a couple of uh
things I'll highlight for you
[11:37] if you've reviewed it, hopefully.
[11:39] So computer check 42071, the amount
of $5,780.49
[11:45] was for office cameras.
[11:47] We budgeted $7,292.52 for that, so we
came in 26% under budget.
[11:53] Water treatment lines in the arena
are still outstanding,
[11:55] so we'll we'll still be getting
invoices for that one
[11:57] whenever we do get it, the work
finished and invoice for it.
[12:00] Check number 42074 in the amount of
$685.10 was for ice cream
[12:05] for the Visitor Center for the
summer.
[12:07] It's not for staff. I just wanted to
clarify that.
[12:10] Check number 42078 in the amount of
$233.09
[12:15] was an annual clothing allowance for
safety person
[12:17] personal protective equipment for one
of the public works
[12:20] staff in accordance to their HR
policies.
[12:23] 42081 in the amount of $3,174.60
[12:27] was the monthly custodial janitorial
contract payment.
[12:31] These are all questions I have,
that's why I'm explaining it because
I have one.
[12:34] Same a few of the same that I have.
[12:36] Uh, check 42088 in the amount of
$21,336.59
[12:41] was for the annual financial audit.
[12:43] The reason I bring it up is because
it was 7% over budget.
[12:45] We budgeted $20,000 for it.
[12:48] For email funds transfers,
transaction number 92
[12:51] in the amount of $55,500 for a Genie
Left.
[12:53] It was 8% under budget. We budgeted
$60,000 for it.
[12:59] And then finally for the credit
cards, transaction number 25,
[13:02] $125.69 for administrative
professional day
[13:05] was for treat boxes for the admin
staff in the office, as well as
[13:09] over at Orange Memories.
[13:12] What number was that?
[13:13] Uh, number 25 under credit cards.
[13:16] That was for the uh administration
day.
[13:17] Yep.
[13:18] And then uh the last one is
transaction number 28
[13:21] in the amount of $250.
[13:23] It was $50 gift cards for each of the
five staff for the clinic
[13:26] clinic closed.
[13:28] So any other question, any other
questions?
[13:30] Uh, your worship, that's it.
[13:32] I have one more.
[13:33] Yes sir.
[13:34] I thought I hit them all.
[13:35] 42090.
[13:37] Education reimbursement. What's that
about?
[13:40] 42090 is um as my my understanding is
is
[13:45] Andrew's working on his water
treatment plant operator ticket.
[13:48] Yep.
[13:49] Oh, okay. He has it.
[13:50] Uh, so with that cuz that's started
long before.
[13:53] Yeah, yeah.
[13:54] I got that.
[13:55] I didn't get it explained to me.
[13:56] Okay.
[13:57] He went to take his water treatment
course, which he requires for the
position he's in.
[14:01] Normally we would challenge the test.
[14:04] He learns better in a classroom
setting, so he went and took the
course, paid for it on his own.
[14:08] He had to sign a contract that he
would stay with the town for X amount
of years.
[14:12] We pay him back every year he gets so
much until it's paid off.
[14:16] Okay, so our HR policies do support
$5,000 for each.
[14:18] Yes, which makes sense.
[14:22] I've got one from the page before,
actually, 42084.
[14:27] Community Grant Program.
[14:29] Um, the program just typed in it was
Rosetown Community.
[14:33] I'm thinking there's another word
after that.
[14:35] I wondered if maybe when those show
up in there, if we could put
[14:39] like R instead of Rosetown, so that
the whole title gets on.
[14:44] Yeah, or maybe Rtown or something.
[14:45] Yeah, we'll see if I can I'll I'll
mention it to Amanda and see if she
can make it.
[14:48] Cuz I've noticed that before, that
you don't really know what it is, it
could be any group.
[14:53] Um, it's pro it's a legitimate group,
I'm sure, just it
[14:57] Yeah.
[14:57] And this is all from last year from
the SAS lotteries grants application,
right? So we're
[15:35] those pay them out now from the
[20:03] all the guys that said work on street
[20:05] Yeah, we've kind of stepped back when
they were training guys.
[20:09] We spent about three years helping
get all their staff trained in the
pool and Splash Park.
[20:13] And then starting last mid-summer we
helped them do the full fire up in
both facilities last spring.
[20:18] Winterization they did themselves.
[20:21] And then this year we're they're
firing up on their own.
[20:23] We're kind of stepping back from that
now that they've had a couple years
of
[20:27] help getting going with the new staff
change over that they had.
[20:32] Okay.
[20:33] So they're pretty much on their own
with that stuff now unless again,
they request help.
[20:38] Okay.
[20:39] And also cemetery. How are things
going over there?
[20:42] We've been got a bunch of the bunch
of the bunch of the area for the
family Columbarium mapped out.
[20:47] Running string lines, we've started
putting forms up today.
[20:50] We'll be working there for the next
little while. We've staked out
roughly where the Gazebo's going to
sit
[20:55] just a rough footprint. We got to
square that and start forming it
tomorrow morning.
[21:01] Hopefully early next week we'll be
looking to book concrete for the
first pour out there.
[21:07] Okay.
[21:10] And then again, digging graves and
other random work that we do out
there.
[21:16] Yeah.
[21:17] That road's really nice too with the
new road that connects the front to
the back.
[21:20] Yep. The like it's a secondary verb
to the old park.
[21:24] That's really nice. I took a little
drive there. It's a lot more easier
to get from the front to the back.
[21:29] Yeah.
[21:30] Yeah, kind of tied it together and
lets it flow a little bit better.
[21:33] Yeah, really nice. Good idea.
[21:38] Any questions on paving Main Street?
[21:41] Yeah, I do have quotes on that as
well.
[21:43] They've it's been awarded so that we
could maintain the pricing, went with
the lowest bidder.
[21:48] So there were three?
[21:49] Yeah, three.
[21:50] Southwest Paving, HJR and GNC are the
three companies that provided quotes.
[21:57] GNC did not meet the deadline that
they set to even provide the quote.
[22:02] They were supposed to be due on a
Wednesday. I phoned them on Friday.
[22:06] They said they'd have it right away,
didn't receive anything over the
weekend or the end of the day Friday.
[22:11] Reminded them again on Monday, didn't
get anything.
[22:13] And by Wednesday, I picked one of the
contractors they did supply and they
would have come in second anyway,
[22:20] but they didn't meet their deadlines
whatsoever that
[22:23] they said they required and they were
the longest company to provide a
quote as well.
[22:27] Everyone else said they needed a
cople days. They were a week and a
half and still didn't meet that
deadline.
[22:34] And Southwest Paving come in the
cheapest to do the Highway 7 to
[22:39] 4th Avenue because at the time we had
nose on these other blocks.
[22:45] come in at 416,572, which is under
what we had budgeted.
[22:52] What are you doing on the street?
[22:53] HJR
[22:55] was they didn't break theirs out when
I explained I wanted these last few
blocks separate.
[23:01] They didn't break it all out, but
they come in as a total project of
719. They were by far the highest,
[23:07] over 100 grand more than everybody
elge when you add in those two
blocks.
[23:11] And then GNC come in at 459 894, so
they come in second place as well.
[23:17] Fairly reasonable.
[23:19] And those are for the Mill and recap
projects.
[23:22] And then timeline, I've been pushing
them more to later summer.
[23:28] Is when I'm trying to bring them
because
[23:31] Main Street, we want it to cool
fairly quickly so we can get it back
open
[23:35] if we allow traffic on a freshly
paved surface when it's too hot,
especially in front of the post
office.
[23:40] When vehicles aren't moving and they
crank their tires, they will start
digging potholes.
[23:44] Yeah.
[23:45] So we've tried to push them off.
They're going to be in Bigger doing
work.
[23:48] Bigger's pushing them there first
thing in the spring.
[23:51] I'm telling them I don't want them
till the fall, so we're fighting
between us and Bigger right now.
[23:56] So we might be setting up in the area
twice because he agrees that he
doesn't want to see those potholes
dug either.
[24:02] And if it's 35 above on that fresh
asphalt, we'll be keeping it closed
for
[24:06] a few days before we let traffic on
it
[24:09] and that's not fair to all the
businesses either. We want to open it
up as quick as possible.
[24:15] So, how much more was the budget for
the budget for the last two blocks
that didn't go there?
[24:21] Uh, well, the budget I don't have
that
[24:23] Oh, okay. I thought they had.
[24:24] directly in front of me.
[24:25] sent you a bit on that.
[24:26] Well, they did.
[24:27] Uh,
[24:29] So.
[24:30] Southwest?
[24:30] HJR didn't separate it out, so I
can't tell you what theirs was.
[24:34] Southwest was a full mill and recap
streetwide because
[24:38] council discussed they didn't want to
increase the crown.
[24:42] Yeah.
[24:43] So they come in at 196 460 to do from
Fourth Avenue to Sixth Avenue.
[24:48] And GNC said they only wanted to mill
the gutters and not and overlay the
center to increase the crown
[24:53] and they came in at 140 for those two
blocks.
[24:59] So basically 100,000 a block.
[25:01] Yep.
[25:03] Pretty.
[25:03] I think that's reasonable.
[25:04] Yeah, no idea, yeah.
[25:06] No, that's mill and recap, that's
[25:09] mill down and two and a half inch
leveling course
[25:11] and then two and a half inches of
pavement.
[25:14] Yeah.
[25:18] So for the future, could we have them
[25:22] or you have them look at some side
streets
[25:27] if to see what it would cost
approximately?
[25:29] Can they do that? Yeah.
[25:31] Because I would do that.
[25:33] That's what I think. Okay, so
[25:35] let's say next year we say we're
going to do
[25:37] two streets or four streets for sure.
[25:40] And if they do that ahead of time,
they'll have some idea.
[25:43] And I guess that comes down to what
direction
[25:46] council wants to provide us.
[25:47] wants to go, which yeah. Which way we
want to go.
[25:49] Because doing these type of jobs,
mill and recap, if you don't have
[25:53] good drainage on the street,
[25:54] you're not changing the lay of the
land with a mill and recap.
[25:57] You're taking it off and you're
putting it on.
[25:59] So if council's not concerned about
whether or not it's going to hold
[26:01] water in areas,
[26:03] mill and recaps do smooth the street
out,
[26:05] but they are not the same as a full
reconstruction.
[26:08] and in the past we've always geared
towards getting
[26:10] better drainage on our streets to get
the water off them.
[26:13] 'Cause regardless of how old your
pavement is, if you get water
[26:16] underneath it, you end up with
failures.
[26:19] Yeah.
[26:20] So mill and recap is a rule last how
long?
[26:23] Mill and recap, it's resurfacing, it
depends on your failure rates
[26:25] that you already have in the street
eventually,
[26:28] if you have lots of failure rates,
you're gonna end up with breaking,
[26:30] spidering, stuff like that on a
street
[26:33] that isn't
[26:35] it's putting another 20-year driving
surface on a street
[26:37] if you mill and recap at the
appropriate time.
[26:41] You take a street that's completely
blown out
[26:42] and just throw pavement on top,
[26:44] you're only getting a few years out
of that before you see failures
again.
[26:48] So there's candidates for a mill and
recap,
[26:51] and that can change year by year
depending on the spring we have.
[26:56] So explain exactly, so everybody
understands
[26:58] mill and recap.
[27:00] That they take up the old pavement?
[27:02] They take a grinder basically and
grind it up, load it in the truck.
[27:06] Okay.
[27:07] And so whatever we're requesting that
we want milled off,
[27:10] typically it's two, two and a half
inches,
[27:12] depending on the contractor.
[27:14] They'll grind that all off and then
lay just a leveling course down,
[27:17] so because right now our streets are
doing this,
[27:20] they'll drag their bar and it you'll
only be a half inch thick
[27:23] on the highs and you might be two
inches thick on the lows,
[27:27] and then they put a paving course on
top of that.
[27:29] On top of that.
[27:30] And it gives you your smooth driving
surface, but we're not changing
[27:33] gutter lines, we're not changing the
shape of the street.
[27:37] So last time Main Street was done was
what year?
[27:39] It was an overlay and it was mid 90s.
[27:42] And it lasted till now.
[27:44] Yeah. Yeah, as an overlay.
[27:46] So let's say mid 90s, 95, 2026.
[27:51] 35.
[27:52] That's that's quite a while.
[27:53] Yep.
[27:55] So if you did that on some side
streets.
[27:57] If we have any.
[27:59] What side street would you say would
be a candidate
[28:02] for a mill and recap?
[28:04] All of them, as far as I'm concerned.
[28:06] Well,
[28:07] I I don't know about that.
[28:08] I mean I think you got to look at it.
[28:09] 'Cause there's no point.
[28:10] Yeah, I think you got to look at.
[28:11] There's no point in putting a
$100,000 in a side street that
[28:14] two years later you got to dig back
up or just cracks immediately.
[28:17] So we just lasted only two years?
[28:20] Some of them did.
[28:21] Absolutely some of them did.
[28:22] Which, which one?
[28:24] King Street. They had to dig that up.
[28:25] George had to dig that up.
[28:26] Right?
[28:27] It wasn't done originally right, King
Street, right?
[28:29] No, it was done, it was
[28:31] It was done what was the standard at
the time.
[28:34] Rosetown was used a lot when we did
our paving,
[28:37] the normal was stabilized clay.
[28:39] So they just took our clay, work it
back and forth,
[28:42] they add a stabilizing agent,
[28:44] like a bentonite basically, they add
that into the soil, it hardens
[28:48] and they pave directly on top of it.
[28:50] But everybody sitting around this
table knows what happens
[28:52] to our dirt when you get wet.
[28:54] Our pavement, we our oldest street in
town is 1973.
[28:56] We've got our life out of our
pavement, it's not as if
[28:58] it was done wrong,
[29:00] it was done what was used at the
time,
[29:02] but nobody did pavement in the 80s.
[29:04] 80s,
[29:05] start of the 90s, nothing, everyone
left the streets,
[29:07] it wasn't a priority at the time,
[29:10] there was other things going on in
the community.
[29:12] And now we have streets that are 45,
50 years old and
[29:16] driving services have a 20-year life
expectancy,
[29:20] we should be milling and recapping a
20-year-old street
[29:22] to stop moisture from getting
underneath it.
[29:25] Like you take the George Street from
6th to 9th.
[29:28] That was done in 2000 and four going
off the top of my head.
[29:33] Somewhere in there.
[29:34] So it's like 22 years.
[29:35] We should be doing a mill and recap
on that.
[29:37] But it's still one of our best
streets.
[29:38] But you're seeing the duck pond show
up.
[29:40] You've seen that.
[29:41] As they hold water, you'll start to
see failures.
[29:44] Then you start diggin' up streets.
[29:45] But that lasted a long time.
[29:47] Yep.
[29:49] You just got to stay doing something.
[29:50] We've had a lot of years where we
jump back and forth.
[29:55] Like we did heavy paving from '03 to
2011,
[29:57] we were paving every single year.
[30:02] And then the town didn't propose any.
[30:05] pavings from 2011 to 2019.
[30:07] Yep.
[30:08] I have a proposal.
[30:09] Let's have a paving meeting and talk
about paving.
[30:12] Yeah, that's
[30:14] Like, I I think we got to decide well
in advance.
[30:18] Yeah.
[30:19] So and and we got to say to these
people in these streets
[30:24] as quick as possible, like who wants
paving?
[30:27] But to me, you can pay 50.
[30:29] Fifth Avenue anytime you want. It's
fucking out I say.
[30:33] Pave Let's go fifth next. Next few
blocks.
[30:37] Let's go two blocks down fifth.
[30:38] That might be one you might have to
dig up and redo the whole thing.
[30:41] We've went through me and or myself
and Riley, we've walked the whole
[30:45] downtown core
[30:47] cuz that was the next area to kind of
target to bring to you guys.
[30:49] Yep.
[30:50] They've put together a rough proposal
and I believe you're working on that
[30:53] as well with off of Acom's documents.
[30:56] And again, that was just a walking
through it. That's no core sampling,
[30:59] that hasn't been to design, to no
grades, anything.
[31:02] That was just, okay, this is how many
feet we got. These are roughly what
[31:05] we're thinking of the street.
[31:07] And that'll be brought to you.
[31:09] Okay, good.
[31:10] Yeah. I'd say give me I probably keep
in mind I only have five days
[31:13] under my belt.
[31:15] Yeah.
[31:16] I I have I have
[31:17] Well, we expected you to have this
all mind already.
[31:21] I had review. We gave you five days,
man. That's 40 hours.
[31:25] Acom Acom has done a 15-year paving
plan for Rosetown.
[31:29] Yeah.
[31:30] So they the priorities.
[31:32] The next streets.
[31:33] Yeah.
[31:34] We identified the priorities, so
[31:36] I did talk to Bob about it, so
[31:38] um, I a couple weeks so to break it
down, refresh that plan with Acom
[31:41] cuz I don't even know what I don't
know if they changed.
[31:43] Is that possible we should something
following out a little more rigidly?
[31:46] Is that program?
[31:47] Well, we paid for that.
[31:48] Like we paid we paid them engineering
fees to put together a paving plan
[31:51] for us, right?
[31:53] Yeah, so that was kind of some
background on that.
[31:55] That was a walk through same as we do
for any of it. We'll pick an area,
[31:58] we do a walk through, so we have a
future of where we're going
[32:01] and rough estimates on it.
[32:03] Then taking that information, I
usually would bring you a paving
project.
[32:08] You guys decide how much per year.
[32:11] The way we have been going since 2019
is every second year we were doing
[32:16] local improvements.
[32:18] The years in between we were doing
flankage because we had a bunch of
[32:22] flankage that wasn't getting done.
[32:24] The direction from council that time
was between 800 and 1.2 million
[32:28] dollars is what projects to bring.
[32:31] So then again, I would take that
whole area that Acom has mapped out
and say,
[32:35] okay, we can do these streets,
they're in the worst ones of the
bunch.
[32:40] So let's pick these blocks and it
works out to $1.2 million.
[32:45] Then I'd bring those projects to you
guys and you would decide yes or no.
[32:48] Yes.
[32:49] Okay.
[32:51] So we'll we'll bring something to
council as need,
[32:53] you know, a few
[32:55] You need some time, so.
[32:56] No, I need to break down the. Need to
take it back to make sure that
they're
[32:58] still staying behind that if it needs
to be updated,
[33:00] then Bob and I'll sit down and we'll
see if we can put something together
[33:03] for council.
[33:04] That makes sense.
[33:05] Like the last one we were working off
of was from about 2015 or 2018
[33:10] was the rough estimates we had.
[33:17] Okay.
[33:18] Sounds great.
[33:19] Yeah, any questions?
[33:22] Thanks, Bob.
[33:23] Okay, thanks, Bob.
[33:24] Thank you.
[33:25] Next, water treatment supervisor.
[33:29] All the numbers look good. I don't
see any red lines or anything.
[33:34] Any comments about the water plant
operations going good there?
[33:37] Uh, trim plant's going good. Few
brown water calls after our dead end
flushing.
[33:42] Yeah.
[33:43] Went through a pile of water on that.
[33:47] It's a good tip to have on Facebook
about running the water in your tub.
[33:50] It's not going through your screen.
[33:52] Yeah.
[33:53] So I had brown water at my house, so
I ran my bath up for 5 minutes
[33:55] and it was all gone.
[33:57] Yeah, and typically all that is is
iron deposits that settle out in our
[33:59] mains.
[34:01] It's nothing that's going to hurt
you,
[34:03] but it's stains your white clothes.
[34:05] if it gets cut in the white.
[34:07] Yeah.
[34:08] It was a little longer this time when
you notice about half an hour it took
[34:10] me to get mine, but
[34:12] must have been just the way it was,
but
[34:14] Or you could wait till everyone else
runs their water and then
[34:17] we could have the water.
[34:19] Did you just have to clean out your
hose?
[34:22] No, somebody watered our flower
garden
[34:25] for a while.
[34:26] [laughter]
[34:27] And on on Waterless Wednesday.
[34:30] There will be some more notices going
out like I had mentioned at budget,
[34:34] we were going to start tackling fire
hydrant maintenance.
[34:38] And we're going to be operating every
hydrant in town.
[34:40] So as we're doing that, we'll see
increased flow rates in areas as well
[34:44] as we'll be doing some digging.
[34:48] We have some seeds in the plant.
[34:49] Well, we can rebuild top ends, bottom
ends, but there's some of the old
[34:51] stuff that we can't even get
necessarily parts for anymore.
[34:56] So when we come across those, if
they're non-operable, we'll be
changing them
[34:59] out.
[35:00] Okay.
[35:03] Any other questions?
[35:06] Okay, thank you.
[35:08] Next officer.
[35:10] Anybody have any questions from I
left you?
[35:14] Yep, I have one.
[35:16] How tall do we let the grass go
before we go in there and cut it?
[35:20] What's this? How tall do we you let
the grass
[35:22] 20 centimeters, so what's that? 9
inches or so?
[35:25] Okay. Yeah.
[35:27] There's actually there's a few that
are past that.
[35:30] There's lots that are, but with that
weather for...
[35:32] Yeah, with the weather the last two
weeks.
[35:34] And the grass has really grown in the
last.
[35:36] Yeah, hasn't it? Really grown with
that proper rain.
[35:41] I was wondering,
[35:42] but there's a few that are about four
times that tall.
[35:47] Three to four. Oh at least.
[35:49] I'm talking between
[35:50] I visited I visited 23 of them. Yeah.
[35:54] So yeah, I know what you're doing.
[35:59] So then, actually if you want, can
you the town go in and cut them?
[36:04] And you put them on their taxes?
[36:05] After they get an official letter.
[36:08] Okay, after they get a letter.
[36:09] Yeah. They have to an order for
remedy.
[36:11] And then do a noise violation.
[36:13] You have to put in the paper for two
weeks here.
[36:16] Okay. Okay.
[36:18] Good to know.
[36:20] Actually, it'd be nice if some high
school student
[36:25] would go to those houses and say,
[36:27] looking, I'll charge you so much to
cut your lawn.
[36:31] Or there's people doing it.
[36:33] Oh yeah. But they're busy.
[36:35] Yeah. You know, I think I've seen
that on television somewhere.
[36:38] Yes, just exactly what you're talking
about.
[36:40] Exactly. I have a grandson that did
it.
[36:41] Oh, okay. Yes.
[36:43] But using my more.
[36:44] [laughter] Yeah. What?
[36:45] I eliminate.
[36:46] [laughter] Yeah.
[36:48] [laughter]
[36:50] I said to him, he you got to split
the money with me. He says,
[36:54] I said no, you keep all the money.
[36:56] The more is a gift.
[36:57] I think we have about five guys that.
[36:59] Yeah, there's quite a few trust for
cutting.
[37:02] Which is a good thing.
[37:06] Any other questions for Dennis?
[37:12] Any other comments you want to
highlight?
[37:15] Low light. Low light.
[37:16] [laughter]
[37:18] Yeah, I know not much.
[37:19] Okay.
[37:20] Just we're getting our golfers over
on Walter Hasselwine again.
[37:23] Have we we had them over there?
[37:25] They're there. Yeah.
[37:26] Oh, okay. I'll have to slip by again.
[37:28] Most evenings sometime around between
7:30 and 8:00.
[37:32] Okay. So the smallest kids are gone.
[37:34] Yeah. But and so far, nothing in our
yard.
[37:37] But we did find one under the swings.
[37:40] Yeah, but they don't have to be
there, so.
[37:42] I would hope not.
[37:44] They just don't. That's all.
[37:45] Yeah. Yeah, I'll go see you.
[37:53] Okay. Next, next.
[37:56] Moving on, next is the fire
department.
[37:57] Do you have any no report on it?
[37:59] No report, sir.
[38:03] Moving on to Fare and Counselor
Forum.
[38:06] Do you want to have any comments you
want to make,
[38:07] anything you want to do, anything
else you want to talk about?
[38:10] We had a good family meeting at
Orange Memories, didn't we, Mayor?
[38:13] It sure was. We didn't have very
good.
[38:15] Yes. Well attended as well.
[38:17] Yes, agreed.
[38:18] And lots of good questions and
conversation and cookies.
[38:23] Yeah, it was a very good meeting.
[38:28] Anyone else have any comments?
[38:32] Just planted flowers at the cemetery
with the Mayor Hay
[38:34] and a couple other people and it was
good.
[38:37] Good to get that done.
[38:38] Organized by Mr. and Mrs. Lees.
[38:40] Good. Yeah.
[38:41] My wife and I planted all the flowers
in there Sunday,
[38:44] whole mess of them and they degraed
them.
[38:46] Monday night.
[38:47] Sunday night.
[38:48] Maybe ours are gone too.
[38:50] Yeah.
[38:51] Who knows.
[38:52] They're at the right height too, the
right in these buckets.
[38:54] Sunday, I got to the tour and it was
okay.
[38:57] It was still there. Okay, good.
[39:02] [laughter]
[39:03] Moving on. Unfinished business.
[39:05] First off, we have the riding arena
proposal.
[39:11] This is we had a Trent Award came in
to talk to us, delegation
[39:16] and talked about the riding arena.
[39:21] We wanted to do a little bit of uh
information finding with this
[39:26] and what we're going to do moving
forward.
[39:28] Claude, do you have a chance to talk
with some of the
[39:30] Yeah, so I went and riding, I went
and picked Trent up
[39:34] and we went out for a drive,
[39:36] just so we could actually have some
discussions
[39:38] rather than going back and forth all
the time.
[39:41] And kind of I haven't been out there
in years with during an event,
[39:46] so I asked him kind of to lay it out
how they're doing things,
[39:49] what they're looking for, kind of
[39:51] figure out what can be done to make
everybody happy.
[39:53] So we talked about the tree removal
closer to Diamond 3.
[39:57] He said that wouldn't help them any
because that's where they their
warm-up area is.
[40:01] So they actually don't mind the
little barrier there to keep trailers
out of there,
[40:05] because that's where all the kids
will go to warm up their horses.
[40:08] for the event, which would be just
straight north of Diamond 3.
[40:12] Then they have committee parking
right after that,
[40:16] and spectator parking right up by the
riding arena.
[40:20] And then normally right now as a
non-committee member,
[40:23] you're parking where we would build
the tough truck track for the Harvest
Fest.
[40:27] And they are asking one,
[40:30] this our initial one was to remove
the whole soccer field,
[40:33] but after having some discussions
[40:34] and the letter from Harvest Fest
about keeping the fences a barrier.
[40:39] They he said they could make it work
fairly easy
[40:41] if we just open up a big opening on
either end
[40:44] to allow them in one side and out the
other.
[40:48] And they'd be able to make that work
[40:50] and then it keeps the barrier for the
Harvest Fest
[40:52] Committee as well for our insurance
with the tough trucks.
[40:55] Sounds like it's all good.
[41:01] And then with that I wouldn't unless
it's council's want or wish,
[41:05] I wouldn't even put gates on it at
this point.
[41:08] We would just terminate the fence at
existing
[41:10] fence posts and leave them as
openings.
[41:12] And then there's no cost to it
whatsoever.
[41:18] And then if soccer picks up, we can
always close in a
[41:21] 40 or 50 foot gap and turn the
sprinklers back on.
[41:27] get back in shape of it being instead
of just totally kicking it
[41:30] over, I think that's a good
compromise.
[41:34] This will meet their needs.
[41:36] Trent was sure that they could make
that work.
[41:38] Did you walk through it with the
tough trucks people too?
[41:41] I am one of the organizers of it.
[41:44] [laughter]
[41:46] [laughter]
[41:48] I look at the mirror and say we're
good.
[41:49] We just need the barrier for
spectators
[41:51] when we first started the tough
trucks pushing on 16, 17 years ago,
[41:58] we were in that area, but we ran snow
fence
[42:00] that was before the soccer pitch.
[42:02] Then we were at the museum and we ran
snow fence there as well,
[42:06] and then once we moved back here with
the soccer pitch,
[42:09] it met all of our insurance
requirements
[42:11] and keeps spectators away, so it'll
work very well for us.
[42:14] And we're I think we're going on year
17 of this event.
[42:19] Grandkids love it.
[42:22] Any comments or questions?
[42:27] That's good we're coming and having
it well.
[42:30] So I guess we need a resolution allow
you to do that
[42:33] necessary changes to that soccer
field to open it up
[42:36] to allow for usage.
[42:39] Make Ian a motion or something.
[42:41] Councillor Carlson.
[42:46] Good for you working on it.
[42:51] [paper rustling]
[42:54] Next, uh, decision document council
procedure bylaw amendments.
[43:02] So these are the proposed changes to
our uh procedure bylaws.
[43:08] There's three of them here to talk
about the regular meetings.
[43:11] This is putting in writing you're
doing the first Monday
[43:14] of the month and the third Monday of
the month.
[43:16] So we're going to put that into our
document.
[43:21] The next one was preparation and
distribution timelines.
[43:27] So you can see the comments that
Daman has come up with
[43:31] and the reasons behind uh moving it
to a Thursday.
[43:36] The deadline would be at noon.
[43:40] Or sorry, 10:00 and then noon is the
time that we had.
[43:42] Yeah, I think um because I know that
you expressed
[43:44] wanting to get it earlier.
[43:47] Perhaps two or Wednesday.
[43:49] But um we risk, you know, having to
constantly change the agendas
[43:53] and or you're relying on a different
agenda
[43:55] because I've sent out multiple by
that point.
[43:58] I would say you're not sending out
multiple, you send out one,
[44:02] and then if there's changes, there'd
be a time maybe on Monday
[44:04] where you send out the update.
[44:08] There'd be it would be stupid
[44:10] to send one every time there was a
change.
[44:11] Yeah, either I mean I don't know when
changes are coming, so
[44:14] I mean presumably my hope is that
when I send it on Thursday,
[44:16] it's the last one I'm sending out.
[44:18] But we've often had a change or
something.
[44:21] That's that's not unusual.
[44:23] But yeah, just one.
[44:24] So the compromise there was to do a
cutoff at 10:00 AM,
[44:27] allow me two hours to get the final
agenda ready
[44:29] and then get it to council by noon on
Thursday.
[44:32] So that's something else after to
change for the public to know that
[44:34] it'll be now on Thursday instead of
Friday at 3:00, right?
[44:39] Well, what do we do when Darcy used
to do that?
[44:41] You just send it out on Thursday.
[44:44] Because you weren't on Fridays, so
you just send it out on Thursday.
[44:47] And if anything new came in on
Friday,
[44:49] then it was just added to them.
[44:51] Yeah, sometimes stuff shows up that's
not the worst that could happen.
[44:57] So Dema's proposal is to for Thursday
at 10:00.
[45:03] Yeah, we can try that.
[45:05] Yeah, that would work. I think it
works for administration, so
[45:09] Good job on this. putting into our
procedure
[45:11] bylaw passing while the safe state
[45:13] that not just doing it, but actually
stating it,
[45:16] but this is a procedure so.
[45:19] Any comments on that?
[45:20] Just a good job. Yeah.
[45:23] Thank you.
[45:25] we make those changes.
[45:26] And what about the next one?
[45:27] There's one more way to discuss that
was by the order of proceedings.
[45:30] Okay.
[45:31] How about we motion just one at a
time?
[45:34] Or you just need to change the whole
whole.
[45:37] We actually don't need a motion
because it's going to be a bylaw
amendment.
[45:41] So, I guess if there's concerns, if
counsel has concerns
[45:43] if we're not agreed, then, you know,
we're probably
[45:45] just get a motion, I guess, to make
sure we're all aligned.
[45:48] But it'll be a bylaw amendment that
brings to the next council meeting.
[45:51] Can I have two?
[45:52] Yes, yeah.
[45:57] And then the uh the last one there I
was talking about was to modify the
proceedings.
[46:02] And that's that we have the in camera
at the for the back end on on the
agenda.
[46:08] That's just to add it into the
regular thing, because we do it
anyways, right?
[46:11] Yeah. We have to do it, but this just
puts it into this is a proceeding.
[46:15] Any comments on that? Isn't it just
moves it
[46:17] from where it was to somewhere a
little bit earlier?
[46:21] It wasn't even in there.
[46:22] Like when you look at the list of all
them, it wasn't even listed in there.
[46:25] You just added as needed.
[46:27] So you'd have to do that start of the
meeting to add an in camera session,
but if you just put it in there as a
[46:31] Okay, yeah, 15 15.1 is where.
[46:34] It was the public forum that I guess
threw me off because I didn't
remember talking about that at all.
[46:40] We're jumping around talking about
different things. Okay.
[46:43] It was just in our agenda, it's
always added under delegations and
public forum.
[46:48] Where you know, our procedures
actually has it listed as
[46:51] we're just gonna rectify that to make
it look like we're having it.
[46:54] So.
[46:56] Exactly what we're doing.
[47:00] Okay. We'll just go to the next.
[47:02] Yeah, there was a line, yeah, just do
the bylaw change, yeah.
[47:05] I didn't see any needs going on.
[47:07] Can I suggest that we how did I put
it here?
[47:12] Uh.
[47:19] Okay, I can't see my notes, of
course.
[47:21] Sorry.
[47:23] I wondered about the in camera, I put
it right into the bylaw.
[47:29] That's what I did.
[47:30] Cuz it's not listed in the
definitions and in camera to me is
the opposite of what it is.
[47:37] Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
[47:38] Cuz without a camera.
[47:39] I think it needs to be in the
definitions, what it is. Okay.
[47:44] Um.
[47:46] [rustling papers]
[47:48] Yeah, it's like a kind of like a
reverse language. I don't know why
they just a legal name for it that
they call it in camera.
[47:54] When it's actually you're not on
camera.
[47:57] You're in the camera.
[47:59] [laughter]
[48:02] Okay.
[48:02] [rustling papers]
[48:04] Sorry, I
[48:06] I know I wrote it down.
[48:07] You correct though. You're my friend.
[48:09] It's a big document.
[48:11] And it was a busy weekend and it was
93 pages.
[48:14] Yes.
[48:16] Okay.
[48:17] The other one that I noted too was um
the acting mayor when it shows up in
here.
[48:25] Seems to be something that's set up
when it's needed.
[48:29] We set it up right after the
election. Yeah.
[48:32] But I was wondering if we really
needed to right then.
[48:35] Um, that's not how the bylaw reads to
me.
[48:41] [rustling papers]
[48:45] That's page 33 we're looking at.
[48:48] Thank you.
[48:52] [laughter]
[48:55] to go through pages and then it's on
my computer, isn't it?
[48:57] Make sure I'm not seeing him.
[48:58] Just a little thing about the in
camera. It's it's Latin for in
chambers.
[49:02] Bylaw Roman numeral 4 33 is the
acting mayor one.
[49:09] [rustling papers]
[49:12] [rustling papers]
[49:18] Guess something else to kind of just
look at and decide if we're doing it
this way or that way.
[49:22] So this counsel, what was your issue
with that? Just un clear on that.
[49:25] That I don't think that's what we're
doing.
[49:27] Well, that's only though if the mayor
and the deputy mayor are
[49:30] incapacitated, then council that sits
here has to appoint an acting mayor.
[49:34] We did it right after the election.
[49:36] We have the acting mayor.
[49:38] Oh, I got you. Got it? Okay.
[49:40] Did you appoint a deputy mayor?
[49:41] Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I got you.
Got it. Okay. Yeah.
[49:45] [laughter]
[49:48] [rustling papers]
[49:51] And that's right or wrong, I guess,
but that's the way it's been since
I've been sitting in these meetings.
[49:57] Is all of those positions are handed
out and you council used to pick
their committees at the time as well.
[50:03] But up till last year we got rid of
the committee meetings.
[50:06] Yeah.
[50:09] Here, so basically what you're
describing is like that complete
section would have to
[50:13] be rewritten or council just needs to
stop appointing an acting mayor.
[50:16] Yeah, whichever way, it doesn't
matter.
[50:19] I mean, I mean my recommendation just
reading it would be do what the
procedure says
[50:22] because it actually says if you have
no one then the majority of council
needs to identify an acting mayor at
that meeting.
[50:28] That's what I read too. Yeah. Yeah.
[50:32] Because it could be too, the person
they selected for acting mayor might
not be here.
[50:36] That is possible. [laughter] All
three of us go on the same d-that
plane.
[50:39] No, council sits down.
[50:41] travel together. [laughter]
[50:43] Lots of companies have that.
[50:44] can't travel together.
[50:45] So, do you think we should rectify
that and uh
[50:49] just eliminate the acting mayor?
[50:50] Or, yeah. We probably don't need that
position chosen.
[50:56] So I guess maybe you can make a
resolution then to unappoint the
acting mayor, whoever that was.
[51:00] [laughter] Wait. [laughter]
[51:03] Oh, look, I have half the work now.
[51:05] Oh wait, no, I don't.
[51:06] Well, I'll unappoint yourself then
and let's get moving here.
[51:10] [laughter] Yeah.
[51:12] I I just thought maybe we needed to
either do what it says or change it.
[51:16] And to do what it says is fine.
[51:19] Good point. So I'd make a make a
resolution to unappoint the acting
mayor.
[51:24] Yep. I'll make that.
[51:26] Council, all those in favor.
[51:27] Don't be so quick.
[51:28] [laughter] Sorry.
[51:32] That can be decided at the time.
[51:35] Good pickup. Councillors.
[51:39] Any other from dwelling on this
before we make up any
[51:44] Well, it's just so long.
[51:46] And so much of it is just rubbish.
[51:48] [laughter]
[51:50] Like major repetitive.
[51:52] And we were going to reach out to
this school in the new year about our
youth here, right?
[51:57] Yeah, so I think if if you're in
support, uh, maybe in the beginning
of the school year, I'll send them a
letter or contact the principal and
see if we can get some information.
[52:03] We've had uh previous youth
counselors twice before.
[52:06] So it's something that's always been
kind of off.
[52:10] I've got it. They'll take care of it.
[52:11] Sounds great.
[52:13] Okay, so we're all finished with that
one.
[52:16] Good catch, Jenna. [mhm]
[52:18] to uh sketching health and quality,
youth engagement meeting June 15th.
[52:22] [mhm]
[52:23] Plus, that's something that myself
and Damian will be uh attending.
[52:27] in the morning.
[52:30] So is there anything that counselor
would like for me to make point of or
share?
[52:37] with S H A and or community members
that are going to be there,
[52:41] or R M's are going to be there and
different uh foundations and such?
[52:46] More doctors. [laughter] [mhm]
[52:48] Right. Doctors or practicing
[52:50] [laughter] something.
[52:52] More doctors, more doctors. Yeah.
[52:54] whatever it takes, whatever it takes
to get more people.
[52:58] [mhm]
[53:00] I also thought too or there hasn't
been a
[53:03] there hasn't been I don't think a
committee structure about doctor
recruitment and retention.
[53:08] Usually have a group of people
helping newly arrived doctors in the
community with
[53:16] before myself and another counselor
had helped set up beds for Dr. Murang
say is one of the things we've done
but
[53:22] there's nothing really been formally
in write up.
[53:25] If we had a contact me with S H A,
look you pitch this by the way.
[53:29] I contact each S H A as their contact
point with the doctor that they need
support in any way.
[53:36] If we had a group of people,
community members, would support
things that they needed
[53:41] to help them get integrated into
their community, I think that would
be a great thing for
[53:44] [mhm] some sort of the is on the
committee or
[53:47] Yeah, exactly. like a welcome wagon
kind of idea, right?
[53:50] Because you never know what people
need
[53:52] and direction of what to do, where to
go.
[53:55] And I just had the uh conversation
with Dr. Flad a few months ago
[53:58] And some of the things that we talked
about really connected with me that
there's some things that she wanted
to do.
[54:04] And it wasn't really being involved
like loves to paint
[54:08] and we're able to find a spot for her
in that uh waste of S on sixth.
[54:13] Was a she needed a place to live
because of the place that she was
living in was sold.
[54:17] So they'll get that and now she's
more part of the community and with
that, in the apartment block.
[54:21] So I think that we really did.
[54:22] this will help in doctor retention
too if we had something like that set
up.
[54:26] Yeah, you know, they they believe the
community's with them the whole nine
yards, that'd be great.
[54:32] So that was something I'd like to
pitch to of this.
[54:35] [mhm] good idea. [mhm]
[54:37] I wonder if there's some members from
the counselors from our RMs or
something. Look to be a part of it.
[54:42] Or that would be nice, right?
[54:45] as well as of course, the doctor
recruit as well.
[54:48] see where things are with the nurse
practitioner and companies.
[54:52] Good idea. [mhm]
[54:54] Anything else anyone? [mhm]
[54:56] Also thinking them for having the
medical clinic there, taking that on
and running it.
[55:02] [mhm] That was a good step for us to
have the doctors at the hospital, the
whole nine
[55:08] So at one time was there incentives
to bring a doctors in?
[55:14] Well, there still is.
[55:15] Yeah, well they're.
[55:17] SHA's yeah. Yeah, but yeah.
[55:18] individual communities did at one
point.
[55:20] Communities communities do it at one
point?
[55:23] They did. It became quite a
competition.
[55:25] It came yes.
[55:27] That's no longer can take place.
[55:30] Well, you can if you want to spend
money, but
[55:32] the SHA is doing that. So why would
you want to give money when they're
already paying?
[55:36] If you're short doctors, you might
want to do it.
[55:38] If you have done the number is like
high, like hundreds of thousands.
[55:41] for a five-year commitment is what
SHA provides.
[55:47] If you need a doctor, you never know
down the road.
[55:50] But the ones that haven't
materialized for the ones that have
not happened years ago.
[55:58] So to say that it works.
[55:59] It doesn't.
[56:02] No, I don't think money is ever the
answer.
[56:05] Retention, like good retention.
[56:08] I think belong to the
[56:10] is stronger. Yeah.
[56:11] Yeah. Probably could be other or
[56:13] that facility is like what the
renovations they've done there. It
doesn't even look like it's part of a
hospital.
[56:20] It looks, I was just there last week
and it's, it was, it surprised me.
[56:23] Like they spent some real money to
actually equip that well.
[56:27] So I think if you're a doctor coming
in,
[56:30] hey, you're not working at a
something that feels like you're
working at a some
[56:33] backyard shack, you know, you've got
a a modern new facility.
[56:37] So that should hopefully help.
[56:39] on was uh years ago they talked about
[56:42] trying not to be competitive like
that to have everyone trying to
outbid
[56:46] each other, neighbor to get doctors
to home where it should just
[56:51] So that's why SHA took over that uh
recruitment and
[56:56] Well, and for people where money
mattered,
[56:58] it really became a game.
[56:59] Like they come and get their bonus
here.
[57:02] And they'd stay the minimum so they
could get their bonus over there.
[57:07] They were all kinds of ways to play
the game, like a professional
athlete.
[57:10] [laughter] A little bit.
[57:12] Yeah. That's what it is.
[57:15] And people that came and stayed,
never got another incentive.
[57:23] Okay. Okay. Next on to new business.
[57:26] We have the Grad request for road
closure.
[57:30] No concerns for public works or
recreation on this.
[57:34] And they did that every other year,
right?
[57:36] Yeah, they all got there.
[57:39] It's awesome.
[57:40] I think, yeah. We're cold in here.
Yeah.
[57:43] Two of my kids had it and the one
that didn't is jealous.
[57:46] Like they, they like the parade and
they're not attention seeking people.
[57:52] It's nice for the public to see the
grabs too when you get an opportunity
to go and see the grand ceremonies
[57:57] because they were allowed to certain
amount of people, so.
[57:59] And it's had rainy weather and it's
had rainy weather and it's had nice
weather and they're still happy to be
out there.
[58:04] I don't see a problem with that. I
say, let's do it.
[58:07] I have a motion to approve.
[58:08] Councilor Hunter, all those in favor.
[58:10] That is carried.
[58:13] Next, we have decision document Six
Street Pleasant Valley
[58:16] request for pedestrian crosswalk.
Crosswalk.
[58:23] So, we received
[58:27] Town Council give a letter for
members,
[58:30] there's 18 people found this
document.
[58:33] Signatures yet.
[58:34] They're concerned about children
living on Pleasant Valley Road, Ridge
Path Road, and Mountain Crescent and
several neighboring areas.
[58:41] and they want to formally request
consideration for installation of a
[58:45] blinking pedestrian crosswalk at
intersection of Sixth Street and
[58:47] Mountain Crescent, Pleasant Valley
Road.
[58:51] Between their two adjacent
cul-de-sacs alone, there are
approximately
[58:54] 50 children who cross Sixth Avenue
multiple times each day to
[58:56] work and from school as well as for
general neighborhood activities.
[59:01] This section of Sixth Avenue is one
of Sixth Avenue is one of the busiest
streets in Roaststown and we have
ongoing ongoing concerns
[59:07] regarding vehicle speeds and overall
driver attentiveness.
[59:11] including distracted driving. It is
not uncommon to observe vehicles
traveling well above posted speed
limit.
[59:17] particularly during peak traffic
hours and after school.
[59:20] These concerns have been heightened
by recent accident at an intersection
that resulted in significant property
damage.
[59:28] So, during winter months, snow
removal practices often result in
[59:31] sidewalks being unusable, forcing
children to walk along busy roadways.
[59:36] Due to high traffic volume on 9th
Avenue East, many families
[59:39] direct their children to use the back
alley behind Fortune Crescent and
[59:42] Hanger Crescent as a safe
alternative.
[59:45] Even so, children are required to
cross Sixth Avenue at informal
locations on a continual basis.
[59:52] which further increased the safety
risk for pedestrians.
[59:55] Given the number of children crossing
at this location and traffic patterns
[59:58] in the area, we believe a clearly
marked and illuminated pedestrian
crosswalk
[1:00:02] would significantly improve safety by
increasing driver awareness and
[1:00:05] encouraging speed reduction.
[1:00:08] We respectfully request that council
review this location and consider
[1:00:15] implementing appropriate pedestrian
safety measures.
[1:00:20] We would welcome the opportunity to
discuss this further or provide any
[1:00:25] additional information that you may
assist in your assessment.
[1:00:26] Thank you for your time and
consideration for this important
community safety
[1:00:36] concern. So I think we can all agree
that we have concerned parents here
[1:00:36] with a busy street and there's kids
around the area often. We had uh
[1:00:42] someone's done some background on
this, and the decision documents been
made,
[1:00:46] talked about the different uh ideas
and solutions to this. Um you've all
[1:00:55] read what uh he's presented? What's
what's your uh thoughts on what's
[1:00:58] been said? I think it's a great idea,
maybe some education on the operation
[1:01:01] of it. Uh years ago I was involved in
putting one across here at the U
Centre.
[1:01:05] Um and people just don't seem to know
[1:01:07] how to push the button and they run
across.
[1:01:08] So, I mean, it's you can't tell them
[1:01:11] what to do, but maybe make sure that
they are actually trying to use it.
[1:01:14] Or the parents are parents are kind
of training.
[1:01:17] Which there is a perfect point.
[1:01:19] You put something in a safety
feature,
[1:01:21] but you don't have to use it and some
people don't.
[1:01:23] So you're just expecting that people
[1:01:26] will use it, but if they don't
[1:01:27] use it,
[1:01:28] you're still have that safety issue.
[1:01:30] So that's the negative on the cons or
whatever from a
[1:01:33] besides the cost of implementing
[1:01:35] installing it, would these people not
actually use it?
[1:01:38] Nor would someone who can help like
[1:01:40] are going back for their skateboards
[1:01:42] or scooters, they're not going to
stop and push the button.
[1:01:43] No.
[1:01:44] So we just have to be careful like
[1:01:46] I know that's a really busy crossing
the highway
[1:01:48] on the corner here by the rink and
[1:01:50] that's where we had to put it in for
[1:01:52] that reason for hockey and for the
youth group.
[1:01:53] And it's just not used enough.
[1:01:55] I I once in a while I just check and
make sure it's working.
[1:01:58] But uh, you know, because it's
really, that's that's a busy highway.
[1:02:02] And you don't want to be uh tricking
somebody to stop either,
[1:02:04] but it's just not used enough.
[1:02:06] So hopefully they will. I I I like
the idea.
[1:02:09] I like the idea.
[1:02:10] I'd come up with the thought process
[1:02:12] that by adding a pedestrian sign in
[1:02:15] the middle of residential over there,
[1:02:17] they'd open the door for having these
[1:02:18] all over the town. Oh that's
[1:02:19] that that would have been my main
concern is
[1:02:22] because that's another thing when you
[1:02:25] set precedence for having this, and
[1:02:27] it's a wonderful thing and also
[1:02:28] another part of town wants another
part of town.
[1:02:29] But there's there are crosswalks and
flashing lights here and there in
town.
[1:02:32] Like over by the senior center.
[1:02:36] Um, there are some.
[1:02:37] Not in any residential neighborhood
across the highway that I can think
of.
[1:02:40] The only lights we have are on the
highway. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:02:45] Which is good. this one is a pretty
major thoroughfare.
[1:02:47] Yeah.
[1:02:48] And right now if we have 50 to 60
kids crossing regularly, that that's
a
[1:02:54] major crossing.
[1:02:55] Personally, in 10 years we won't
have. We'll we can take it down.
[1:02:59] Or we can like I don't mind the idea
of the four-way stop there.
[1:03:03] I like the four-way stop, too.
[1:03:04] With that, but that's a three,
four-way stops in what, three blocks?
[1:03:08] Slow down.
[1:03:10] Yeah, actually going to take 10
minutes to get from anywhere to
anywhere in
[1:03:15] Rose town in a vehicle. Yeah.
[1:03:15] I like the stop sign idea actually
myself.
[1:03:16] Probably back.
[1:03:17] I like the stop sign idea actually
myself.
[1:03:19] The stop sign provides crosswalks
there as well, stop signs. You're
controlling
[1:03:25] two people crossing as well as
traffic.
[1:03:26] Well if if it's a problem,
[1:03:28] you ask the RCMP to park their car
out there and start handing out
tickets
[1:03:32] or Surprisingly, it starts to be
noticed, yeah.
[1:03:35] Right? Like I shockingly, you know, I
don't know how many times you're
[1:03:42] driving down the highway and he says
speed vines triple,
[1:03:44] and all the brake lights come on.
[1:03:45] Like nobody wants to pay, so
[1:03:46] you put a flashing crosswalk there,
there's no there's no enforcement
[1:03:50] option. People use it and somebody
blows through it.
[1:03:54] You got to kind of see it when it
happens,
[1:03:56] where you put the stop sign.
[1:03:57] But you put a you also can put a
pedestrian zone there or something
where it has to slow down and then
[1:04:06] there is then the cops can do
something. I don't know. I'm not sure
I want
[1:04:10] another stop sign in there. Um,
that's one of two north-south routes
through town.
[1:04:16] only two that go all the way.
[1:04:18] I think if I had one stop right sign
there myself.
[1:04:22] I should be proactive than reactive.
[1:04:24] Well, I think the the reason why they
see high speed there is because there
aren't stop signs.
[1:04:30] Right? There were no stop signs
there, you'd have people ripping up
that road at 100 kilometers an hour,
I guarantee it.
[1:04:34] Oh, yeah.
[1:04:35] But that's why we've got two already
right there.
[1:04:38] Need more pot holes on there.
[1:04:39] You used to only have there used to
only have there used to only be the
one at Marshall, one at Highway 7 and
one at 6th and 9th.
[1:04:46] There was the three on the whole
thing up until the last five years.
Yeah.
[1:04:51] We've changed those other ones?
[1:04:53] because of concerns. One was children
safety at the splash park.
[1:04:56] So we actually put a four-way stop
there.
[1:04:58] I think that's improved.
[1:04:59] I think we see the traffic flow
there.
[1:05:01] Also we've done four-way stop at
Regal Motors and uh First Avenue
there.
[1:05:05] There's accidents there all the time.
I think that's improved as well as
the medical clinic.
[1:05:11] next stop over. It's only one block
over.
[1:05:13] And I was a little skeptical about
putting another stop,
[1:05:17] four-way stop.
[1:05:18] But it's actually been beneficial
[1:05:19] because the Christian communities
there.
[1:05:20] And it's busy all day long.
[1:05:22] So there's lots of traffic, but it
works.
[1:05:24] It's one thing I like about a stop
sign
[1:05:25] and I know that he did the uh, by
KidCare.
[1:05:28] He knew that this was getting built,
[1:05:29] so he put the four-way stop there.
[1:05:31] used to be lots of collisions there
[1:05:32] when they just did a yield sign.
[1:05:34] So now when you come up to that
four-way stop,
[1:05:36] it's actually quicker because you
can't stop
[1:05:37] and you hope see no one there, you
go.
[1:05:39] Before you had to stop and look both
directions
[1:05:41] because it could be someone coming
down the way
[1:05:43] at 50 kilometers an hour.
[1:05:44] You had to wait to see because it's
just the yield sign.
[1:05:47] Now four-way stop, you're assured,
[1:05:49] when you stop, you go because it's a
four-way stop.
[1:05:51] It provides uh
[1:05:54] it seems like it'd be slower, but
it's actually quicker.
[1:05:57] So I noticed I drive it every day
[1:05:59] and I go to that intersection on it.
[1:06:01] It's quicker than it used to be, but
it was a yield sign.
[1:06:04] So we've had three or four years that
we've done
[1:06:06] putting four-way stops.
[1:06:07] I know it's not everyone's favorite
to put stop signs.
[1:06:10] But it is if they're higher to serve.
[1:06:13] And the kids, with the pedestrians,
[1:06:15] it's about safety. So,
[1:06:18] There's something before, we don't
have to make any
[1:06:20] decisions, but if we decide a certain
way we want to go
[1:06:23] we could also have this plan for,
this is what we're
[1:06:25] looking at and send communications
back to these
[1:06:28] individuals who sent us the letters
[1:06:30] say this is kind of what we're
looking at and why.
[1:06:34] If that's before we make any
decisions
[1:06:36] about changing something from.
[1:06:38] What does everyone's thoughts after
[1:06:41] some discussion and reading the
document that
[1:06:44] Damian's kind of broke down about
different
[1:06:46] the ideas, different ways.
[1:06:48] Yeah, again, I think he did a great
job in doing.
[1:06:52] Personally, it seems like an odd
location
[1:06:53] from one cul-de-sac to another.
[1:06:56] If it was for, in my mind, for child
safety,
[1:06:58] there should be a ninth and sixth.
[1:07:00] There's sidewalks on both sides.
[1:07:01] Everyone out of Pleasant Valley,
everyone out of
[1:07:03] Red Path can walk up to ninth and
cross
[1:07:05] and go to school.
[1:07:07] All the kids from the north can come
to ninth,
[1:07:09] cross and go to school.
[1:07:10] Going from one cul-de-sac to the
other seems like
[1:07:12] an odd location for me to be putting
up.
[1:07:15] But remember, they're kind of going
from
[1:07:17] one, in a way, from the, it's the
cul-de-sacs, but so
[1:07:20] they can get onto that lane behind
Fortune and Anglia.
[1:07:24] instead of walking on ninth,
especially in the winter
[1:07:26] when they can't walk on the sidewalk.
[1:07:28] But then even a rid path, at least
that street carries you
[1:07:30] all the way through, going right into
the center
[1:07:33] of Mountain View, doesn't take you
anywhere.
[1:07:34] You're still having to go either
direction in my mind,
[1:07:37] like.
[1:07:40] It takes you from one dead end to
another and my own.
[1:07:42] It just seems like an odd location.
[1:07:49] So are you saying you don't want a
stop sign there?
[1:07:51] I don't. I don't have a saying there.
[1:07:53] I don't. You don't, wouldn't like a
stop sign there.
[1:07:56] Well, I think if you put a, if you
put a
[1:07:58] It doesn't matter to me.
[1:07:58] If you put a flashing crosswalk
there,
[1:08:01] they're going to want to the same
thing one block up.
[1:08:03] It's another cul-de-sac full of kids.
[1:08:05] Mhm.
[1:08:06] So that's why you got to put a stop
sign.
[1:08:08] Another option.
[1:08:10] What about a lower speed zone with
children at play signs?
[1:08:14] Is that? Does that?
[1:08:15] That was part of what I was
suggesting.
[1:08:17] The current speed everywhere in town
is at
[1:08:19] 40 kilometers an hour.
[1:08:23] except in front of the schools.
[1:08:25] During elementary schools all the
time,
[1:08:27] the high schools during school hours.
[1:08:30] But everywhere else except Marshall
is 50,
[1:08:32] everywhere else is 40.
[1:08:34] The question is in front of Kid Care.
[1:08:38] Uh, that actually, that is dropped as
well.
[1:08:40] It did. Is it dropped as well?
[1:08:41] Yeah, we dropped there as well.
[1:08:43] I believe I remember putting signs up
last summer.
[1:08:47] I forgot about that one.
[1:08:48] Yeah.
[1:08:51] difficult decisions that can't be
taken lightly, nor can it
[1:08:54] doesn't have to be made right away
either.
[1:08:57] we could assign them to do some more
work on it,
[1:09:00] if you guys think.
[1:09:02] Well, they are in their letter, they
are offering to discuss
[1:09:04] more with us if we wish.
[1:09:08] Yeah, it might not be a bad idea.
[1:09:09] Like I, I don't see how the flashing
lights
[1:09:11] actually fix a problem.
[1:09:14] And to Bob's point, like speed bumps,
[1:09:16] that's going to be a nightmare.
[1:09:18] No, you don't want that.
[1:09:19] It's the drawback of having a nice
road is everybody wants
[1:09:21] to, you know, when we just quit
paving
[1:09:23] when it was crap, like nobody sped up
that road, right? But
[1:09:27] You just make some potholes.
[1:09:30] That's why it's
[1:09:31] There's something else that doesn't
have to do
[1:09:33] directly with this, but just thing
that I've noticed,
[1:09:35] when I was young, we always used to
have that bike road
[1:09:37] or RCM to hold it or to the right to
do a bike road.
[1:09:41] I don't know if they currently done
it or not,
[1:09:43] but I just see a lot of kids kind of
wandering
[1:09:45] around the street with bikes,
[1:09:47] not bike safety is lacking.
[1:09:49] Very much so.
[1:09:50] I wonder if that's something we could
ask the RCMP
[1:09:52] if they would, something they would
could start up again
[1:09:54] to help our kids.
[1:09:56] Yeah, they were actually handing out
bike helmets
[1:09:58] at that time, SGI or who, somebody.
[1:10:00] Yeah.
[1:10:01] But it was sort of a one-day thing
that got a bike.
[1:10:03] Yeah.
[1:10:04] So it was the kid that was a one-day
thing.
[1:10:06] one, one evening a week we went and
we learned all these,
[1:10:08] we actually learned the rules.
[1:10:11] Whereas
[1:10:12] this one that kind of play a bunch of
games.
[1:10:14] They got a helmet. They heard the
rules.
[1:10:16] And then they left and rode down the
wrong side of the road again.
[1:10:19] Yeah.
[1:10:20] I took it as a young kid in Rosetown.
[1:10:21] It was inside the rink and it was
they had full intersection setup
everything.
[1:10:25] And you had to ride through an
obstacle course as if you were
[1:10:27] riding through the streets at that
time.
[1:10:30] You might do that with scooters too.
Yeah.
[1:10:33] [laughter]
[1:10:36] They can go a little faster.
[1:10:38] I'm fine with this.
[1:10:40] Well, they're still discussing.
[1:10:42] but you should involve uh
[1:10:44] Send a letter to him and tell you see
what they think. I think.
[1:10:49] I uh, I can you only the options that
we're discussing. Yep, yep.
[1:10:54] Sure, sure. Okay. Get their input.
[1:11:01] Sorry, I got confused because now we
were talking about bikes.
[1:11:04] So we moved on. Yeah, we were
distracted.
[1:11:08] We're it's easy.
[1:11:10] Okay, next we have MuseSoft
assignment of security coordinator.
[1:11:14] Yeah, Amanda's already doing this.
[1:11:16] just needs to be ratified by council
so they can
[1:11:18] actually sign her as a security
coordinator.
[1:11:21] if we want to assign. So. Okay. I'll
make that motion.
[1:11:23] This this just resets passwords,
that's all she's doing.
[1:11:27] Uh, she's assigning access to
[1:11:29] For example, when I got here, we
couldn't get me onto MuseSoft.
[1:11:33] Um she's a security coordinator, she
should be able to get me onto
MuseSoft
[1:11:36] but she's council hasn't actually um
assigned her as the
[1:11:40] MuseSoft security coordinator. So
they wouldn't
[1:11:43] So she can create an account and that
kind of thing.
[1:11:45] No.
[1:11:45] So once council ratifies it, MuseSoft
will give her that
[1:11:48] authority and then she can
[1:11:49] she can allow access to MuseSoft and
and take people off.
[1:11:54] Sounds good. I'll make the motion.
[1:11:55] All those in favor. That was carried.
[1:11:59] [rustling papers]
[1:12:03] [rustling papers] And uh next we have
the Harvest Festival Committee
[1:12:05] minutes for March 17th and April
28th.
[1:12:08] [rustling papers]
[1:12:26] where the we're in the copy, yeah. I
can't find it.
[1:12:28] I found 77 on your package.
[1:12:31] [rustling papers]
[1:12:34] There we go. There we go.
[1:12:37] So any questions or comments on the
minutes for March 17th?
[1:12:42] So they've been organizing things for
Harvest Festival.
[1:12:46] Looks like they're getting organized.
[1:12:47] I just want to thank them for doing
that again.
[1:12:49] That's a big job and it's a big big
[1:12:50] It's a huge festival. festival. Huge
festival. Agree.
[1:12:55] kudos to the volunteers. Thank you.
[1:13:00] [rustling papers]
[1:13:04] So as we uh, March 17th and then the
uh April 28th. Yeah.
[1:13:10] Comments on either one?
[1:13:13] Great job. Keep working. Very good.
[1:13:16] So I guess we need a motion to accept
the minutes.
[1:13:21] Counselor, all those in favor. That
was carried.
[1:13:26] Next, letter requesting flashing red
light at 9th Avenue and Highway 4.
[1:13:37] This is an email received
[1:13:39] from Dr. or no, Dr.
[1:13:41] Danny Persy.
[1:13:41] Danny Persy. Dr. Danny.
[1:13:44] who got a near miss at the
intersection of uh 9th Avenue and
Highway 4.
[1:13:50] and he's recommending a flashing
light.
[1:13:53] Not a bad idea because of school
buses.
[1:13:56] School buses go are coming through
there all.
[1:14:00] twice a day or more.
[1:14:03] What was the cost for a flashing red
light?
[1:14:05] I'm not sure. Is there power there or
anything or do they have solar?
[1:14:08] They have solar options for that kind
of stuff.
[1:14:11] Yeah, yep.
[1:14:13] One thing I know too was
[1:14:14] this can be addressed as a semi- park
right the side 9th Avenue a semi
parking lot.
[1:14:19] They've always taken up full length
of trucks right near the road.
[1:14:23] And always the road as well like the
sight lines are blocked
[1:14:25] right off.
[1:14:28] So that's something maybe we could
have
[1:14:33] a reminder that things need to be
pulled back.
[1:14:35] Like trees and parking things.
[1:14:39] Cuz it may create an accident.
[1:14:41] It's a visibility right up. Excuse
me.
[1:14:45] in a dangerous spot.
[1:14:47] Well, there has been serious
accidents there.
[1:14:50] Yeah, there sure has. Oh, yeah.
[1:14:55] So I think they need to do a little
bit of investigation on the options
for this.
[1:14:59] I can do that, yes. I just didn't
have time.
[1:15:01] I received it at um Friday at 11:36
on Friday. Yeah.
[1:15:06] So should we send him a letter saying
we're working on options?
[1:15:10] I've already let him know. Okay.
[1:15:12] I responded right away and let them
know and he was appreciative.
[1:15:16] Does everybody find that
[1:15:18] Also they need to do some
investigation.
[1:15:21] Yep.
[1:15:27] Okay.
[1:15:30] Next, we have convention
reimbursement to.
[1:15:33] Uh yes, yeah, put this on the agenda.
[1:15:36] $200 for my registration to go to for
the annual convention.
[1:15:42] And uh and USD for possible. Yeah.
[1:15:45] I think we should reimburse for
paying for to.
[1:15:49] I think definitely. Yep.
[1:15:52] So you need a motion?
[1:15:53] Oh, we'll go with Counselor Garrett.
[1:15:56] All those in favor? Okay.
[1:16:03] Next we have exclusion of land
[1:16:04] from list of land in arrears,
[1:16:07] lands with the arrears which do not
[1:16:09] exceed one half of the preceding
[1:16:10] year tax levy.
[1:16:12] Yes sir, so Amanda is going to
prepare the list of land in arrears
for our
[1:16:16] next meeting, but we just want to get
a step ahead here and exclude lands
[1:16:19] that don't have more than half 50% of
last year's levy on it.
[1:16:23] So okay.
[1:16:25] Any questions about that at all?
Nope.
[1:16:30] Things we do usually every year.
[1:16:32] Mhm. Okay. Have a motion.
[1:16:34] Counselor, all those in favor? Okay.
[1:16:40] Next we have Council authorization to
receive a tax enforcement efforts to
[1:16:44] acquire title on seven properties.
[1:16:47] Yes sir, so Amanda has leans already
registered, um it's been over the six
[1:16:52] months from advertising so next step
now is the first warning which is a
[1:16:56] six-month warning.
[1:16:57] Okay. Or six months notice, I should
say. Yeah.
[1:17:02] Need a motion?
[1:17:04] Okay.
[1:17:05] Counselor, all those in favor? Okay.
[1:17:11] We have no bylaw.
[1:17:15] Next we have in camera to discuss the
from bid summary.
[1:17:20] Any motion to go in camera? Counselor
Allisport.
[1:17:22] All those in favor? Okay.
[1:17:31] Bye.
[1:17:32] [laughter]
[1:17:35] Is that a bathroom or a secret?
[1:17:38] Maybe she's walking in the bathroom,
[1:17:41] [laughter]
If the water comes on in here,
[1:17:43] Probably.