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okay good evening everyone and welcome
to everyone joining the live stream I

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will call to order this uh public
hearing to consider an amendment to

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bylaw 2-10 the Ross a zoning bylaw to
rezone lands located at school Avenue

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and Caitlyn Street P IDs 301
6708 and 3014

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6674 and these will be shown shown on
the map here um from single family

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residential standard Zone r1b to
multi-unit residential R4 to allow for a

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54 unit Town Home Development subject to
the execution of a development agreement

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in accordance with Community planning
act Supra so

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um just the procedure tonight I will
review the

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documentation and then the developer
Steven mby will present his project and

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we'll take questions from Council
Town manager jarvey will appear for the

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town and uh questions from councel I
will then call for those wishing to

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speak against the project and then those
wishing to speak for the project and if

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there any if there are any objections I
will allow the developer to have the

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last word and we will then adjourn the
meeting then Council will not be

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considering this um proposal this
evening so the documentation um the town

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clerk prepared a memorandum advertising
the meeting and it was posted twice to

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the website it was also posted to social
media on October 30th November 1st 7th

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9th 15th 17th and 20th you have the
draft by law 2-

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p-36 and you have a draft development
agreement you have a recommendation from

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the planning advisory committee November
the 15th and a staff report to the

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planning advisory committee November the
3D and no comments were received on the

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proposal and so with that I will ask um
Steven Maly the developer to present his

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proposal

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please can I Advance the slides from

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here
good evening mayor Grant Council staff

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and citizens my name is Steven Malby I'm
the owner operator of Mr Investments Inc

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a real estate development company
operating here in Ros tonight I'll be

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presenting an opportunity for the
development of a new residential

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subdivision Our Town Glen Gary Estates
it will address the need for more

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housing in our community more
specifically it will provide much needed

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options for both longtime residents
looking to

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downsize and young families searching
for their first

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home we are all well aware of the many
housing challenges our country is facing

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coast to coast and we're not immune here
at home the challenge in Ros is that

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there are very few housing options for
seniors looking to downsize and young

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families seeking home

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ownership so the question is do you know
how many homes are currently for sale in

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Ras 15 this was the number on November
the 15th when my presentation was uh

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presented for

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tonight how about the average price of
currently listed home in

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Ras over
$700,000 was the average price of a home

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home currently listed in mls in Ros on
November the

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15th that's not a lot of options for
existing residents who are looking to

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find a new home that meets their current
needs while also staying in our

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community and it's not a lot of options
for newcomers wishing to enjoy the many

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benefits our town has to
offer and let's not forget about our

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kids who might want to settle down with
their young

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families for a significant portion of
our

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citizens with an average home price over
$700,000 this means home ownership is

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simply not

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attainable the definitely is an
opportunity however to make this better

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tonight I'm asking for your support of
our town home subdivision glenar States

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we envision glenara States as a
community where attainability

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is at the heart of every home we build
it's a place designed where seniors can

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Embrace a new chapter without forfeiting
the Comforts they've earned where young

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families can put down roots in an
environment that's as nurturing as it is

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secure and where ease and accessibility
come standard with one level

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living our focus is on making such an
inclusive community a reality for our

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citizens where every generation can find
a home that fits their lifestyle and

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budget as recognized earlier everybody
is well aware of the many housing

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challenges currently facing all
Canadians just recently the cmhc warned

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all of us of the significant challenge
ahead Canada will need 3.5 million more

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units on top of what's already being
built by

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2030 we were also recently reminded that
the cost of housing whether home

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ownership or renting is getting very

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expensive new brunwick is not immune to
this housing crisis we too are feeling

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the effects of housing
shortages since covid we have seen a

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record number of people continuing to
move in our Province and as the

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telegraph Journal reported between July
2021 and

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2023 New Brunswick's population grew by
41,000 that's the same amount of growth

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in two years as our Province experienced
in 37 years Between

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1979 and
2016 many Canadians from Ontario and

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other parts of Canada along with
immigrants from around the world are

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starting to recognize the value that we
have to offer and is driving up both the

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demand and cost for housing of all types
and it is not not going away anytime

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soon as an example of the impact impact
of the increased population the Greater

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St John area will need to sustain 1,500
new housing starts per year currently

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that number sits at 670 new starts in
2023 so there's a lot of hard work ahead

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and it's going to take an unprecedented
effort from government developers and

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builders
in our own

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town we have very limited
options of the 15 homes currently listed

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for sale in Ras there were only three
under

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$400,000 and these three homes were
built in

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1960 1974 and
1975 it's apparent we need more homes

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for
downsizers young families and those

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looking for one level
living I realize that what I'm sharing

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tonight is not a surprise it's not a
surprise to our town staff and councel

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earlier this year Our Town submitted an
application to the federal government's

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housing accelerator fund for $5.6
million to support infrastructure and

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Housing Development as a developer I'm
hopeful this request is

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realized just a few days ago it was
announced that monton received CE $15

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million from this very same fund as you
can see in this Telegraph Journal

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Telegraph Journal article published on
September 17th mayor Grant specifically

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pointed out there is a need in our town
for housing that one addresses the

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missing middle and two makes effective
use of existing infrastructure I.E

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infill

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development that is exactly what our
development Glen Gary Estates will

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achieve
we will increase density in an area that

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is perfectly situated as we capitalize
on the existing

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infrastructure and our new development
will consist of the types of homes that

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are considered the missing Middle Town
Homes with two different models Glen

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Gary Estates will provide homes that
offer longtime residents and downsizers

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one level living also homes will also
offer two Lev living for families and

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first home time homeowners
these homes will be homes that are

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attainable so what does attainable
mean it means it's people would be able

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to move into a home that is more
affordable than a detached single family

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home they are homes that will have
mortgages that are similar to

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two-bedroom apartment
rentals there are homes that would be an

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option for young families with full-time
employment earning 20 to $25 an hour

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there are homes that will allow seniors
to sell their existing homes and move

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into homes that match their current
needs without leaving the town of

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Ros our proposal is to develop a
subdivision consisting of the missing

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middle in an area that has been
designated by Council for medium density

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residential development as you can see
on the future land use map from page 126

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in the municipal plan Glen garas States
is proposed for land that is next to

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existing town homes and would be located
in the heart of a much wider medium

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density designated area of our community
so if you can see where I wrote on it or

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highlighted it that's where we're
proposing to the left of it are town

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homes on Caitlyn and to the right is
future development for medium density

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housing and this is page 37 of the
municipal plan that clearly outlines the

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details of medium density housing and
its Associated

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benefits currently only 3% of the entire
land mass in Ras contains medium density

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housing and this is exactly why it's
called the missing

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middle the home in this picture is an
actual picture of one of the garden

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homes on Caitlyn Street which connects
to our property that we wish to

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develop
can you oh there we go so our

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request we request approval of a
resoning and subsequent development of a

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54 unit Town Home Development on land
that has already been designated

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thoroughly investigated and designated
for medium density residential

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development as recognized in the
municipal plan in our subdivision there

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will be eight
blocks each block will have either six

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or seven units within it and there will
be a b as mentioned before there will be

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a mix of one level and two level

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units so what is our
motivation infill development increased

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density and reduced footprint are all
necessary if we want to address our

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housing needs and when I think about our
proposal and its potential I think back

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about my own personal housing situation
as a young family I remember how

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stressful it was renting a two-bedroom
apartment in uptown St John with my wife

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and then 18-month-old daughter we had
tenants living above us and

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unfortunately my daughter was Kaki so
each night when she woke crying the

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tenants would stomp on the ceiling above
our bedroom and scream to have us

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quieted our daughter it was awful and it
caused a lot of stress for all of us it

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is one of our goals to prevent this from
happening to others by building

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attainable housing we seek to provide
young families with their own home for a

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similar cost of rent ing a new
two-bedroom apartment in the

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valley except it we'll have a backyard a
place for a barbecue and the peace of

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mind that their child can cry without
bothering

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anyone to
summarize this development is important

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for many
reasons IT addresses the need for

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housing in
general it answers our prime minister's

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call to
action it answers our mayor's call to

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action for missing middle and infill
development it provides housing that is

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attainable provides an option for
downsizing for young families and for

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firsttime buyers versus renting and it
makes effective use of existing

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infrastructure blang area states
complies with and is supported by the

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municipal plan is supported and
recommended by the staff is supported by

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local residents after face-to-face
visits and it's time a comparable model

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in of Shadow Hill which was established
40 years ago

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1983 thank you for the opportunity to
present Laria

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States thank you Mr Malby um I will open
it to questions from

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Council councilor Shay I just have the
one question um thank you for your

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presentation
um I think before pacu had indicated

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this was going to be a several year
construction phase with several phases

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with those phases be continuous I.E like
over seven years but steady or do you

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see it
as two years and maybe a year break and

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two years again down the
road no so to answer your question uh

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Our intention is to have this completed
within 36 months after approval the

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whole thing the whole thing oh oh
beautiful thank

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you Deputy
Mayor yeah thank you for your

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presentation and uh you know thank you
for um identifying the uh the need for

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these uh units in our in our community
it's uh is definitely a need there's

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town homes are few and far between and
uh this is an excellent uh idea that

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you're presenting um one question I or
two questions I had one was you have the

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different blocks and you have option
buildings A and buildings B so I'm

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assuming that the one levels are the
ones that are sort the option b which is

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the front few streets and then building
up to level twos correct okay that is

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correct okay that's good and the second
one is just looking at the conceptual

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plan um I know there's limited space on
the one end but the trail comes really

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close to the buildings I guess was there
an option to move the trail a little bit

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outside the to give the backyard I guess
a little bit more room and and those

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areas I guess there yes I'm actually
working with staff on moving there is

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some flexibility and Mr jarvey could
also answer that question but we we did

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look at how we could make the the rear
yard bigger okay great thank you

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y anyone else councelor Lewis councelor
Bo councelor Brown any questions my

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light on councelor Lewis um just on the
single level units what's square footage

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we're we're anticipating around 14 1,00
on one single level and what about the

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two level the two level could be a
similar we're looking we're we're we're

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testing from 1,200 to 1500 square feet
whether it's one level and or two

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levels thank

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you councilor
Brown um my question is with seniors if

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uh there's we have older people that are
moving out of their house to uh move

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into somewhere um are are these
obviously not going to be barrier free

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units for the for the seniors but is is
there going to be some provision so if

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somebody did wind up in a in a
wheelchair or something like that that

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they would be able to to live there
without having to move again I guess

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would be you know like wider doors wider
hallways anything like that is there

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Provisions for some stuff like that or I
just my fear is if the elderly people

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move somewhere think this is where we're
going to spend our days and then uh

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something happens and they have to move
again or not maybe able to renovate or

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something like that yes so we we are
looking at making some of these units

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barrier free much like new multi-unit uh
buildings that require or encourage some

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and we are looking at doing the same
thing because for the same reason you're

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suggesting we're we're trying to address
a concern and that is where does our

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seniors go where where can they go in
our community without having to leave

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but have the home that works for them
and so instead of going 90% of the way

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we're going to try to go 100% of the way
for those people I think of my mother

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for example who lives in a two- Lev home
by herself and eventually that going

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upstairs to to the B to the one bathroom
and to to the bedroom is not doesn't

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work so yes we we're having an open mind
but that is the audience we're targeting

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and we're going to try to make it such
that when they move in they can stay

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Thank you and along that same line is it
proposed that property care will be part

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of this yes yes like a home ownership
ship Association where the services will

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be provided package there will be a fee
like a home ownership fee and I did I

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did meet with the people um at uh Shadow
Hill to understand how they've been

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doing it they've been 40 years doing it
and I spoke with the gentleman that's

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been in charge of it it um and they've
probably got one of the best methods of

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organization and and making sure that
one their Community is well serviced and

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everybody understands the services that
they are receiving and what they're

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responsible for so I'm going to be
leaning on them to help with that but to

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answer your question yes good thank you
anyone

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else so I will ask Town manager jarvey
to speak for the town please thank you

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worship staff have reviewed this
proposal and worked with Mr Maly on some

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of the
details and what's up on the screen now

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is the parcel land at the foot of school

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Avenue
the row of houses at the at the right of

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the of the land is Kon
Street and there is Municipal Water in

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cavan street so this site can be
serviced the path that you saw on the

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previous diagram you bring that

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up it runs over a sanitary sewer a trunk
sewer that comes from a wban CIS sewer

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lagon and we expect that that servicing
of this property is relatively

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straightforward
also paralleling the path and the tracks

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the uh Salmon Creek runs there and with
some

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detention to keep the land to keep
the the banks

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uh stable we would be able to drain the
lot the lands directly into Salmon Creek

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and from there down to the river so
there's no drainage issues as far as

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surrounding land is concerned the site
is

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serviced there's a road Network there
and one of the one of the advantages of

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this site as far as long-term
development is the possibility of

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extending extending East or what is left
on this

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figure and uh eventually that would
allow us to connect roads on some of the

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roads like uh Jones and uh Ellis that
are F the E so we would get more than

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one entrance into this neighborhood we
right now we're limited to a single

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entrance so we've reviewed the
project prepared the development

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agreement that you have in your package
the developer would be responsible for

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all the cost to connect to the services
and to develop the roads and the

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services on
site we've had comments from the fire

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fire department and I'm not sure about
the police but the fire department and

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there doesn't seem to be any any issues
there so from the staff standpoint this

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project meets and we agree with Mr Mal's
presentation this meets a need in the

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community it's a need that otherwise
isn't being addressed right at the

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moment so we would support the project
the planning advisory committee has

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voted to support the project you see the
recommendation in your

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package and so ultimately the Motions
that would be in front of you would be

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to support uh the the rezoning of the
parcel to of the two Parcels together

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both owned by Mr
Investments uh from from the current

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zoning to r1b to R4
multi-unit there's also the requirement

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for development agreement that you'll be
asked to

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authorize and the can we bring up the
next

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next one goes to that the dark green on
this uh on this

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scretch shows the land that the
developer proposes to give to the

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town as part of land for public purposes
so there's a requirement for land for

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public purposes this is not uh land
that'll be used for play fields or

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anything like that in its current I
State and it's not this won't change

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the salon Creek runs through this land
so this is primarily a buffer from the

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railroad and uh does allow as it as I
was saying earlier um an opportunity to

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manage the drainage to the question
about the the dep mayor's question about

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the trail lying close to the back of the
properties the

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trail sits on the easement for the
sanitary sewer name however we think

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there is room to move the trail itself
we wouldn't be moving the the main but

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we could move the trail a little bit
toward the creek and uh make for better

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backyards and a couple of those

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units I think that's all for now your
worship I can try and answer questions

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if Council hasn't okay open up for
questions Council councilor Shay um just

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the one question um John you mentioned
the possibility of taking um I take it

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to be storm water or whatever over to
Salmon Creek is

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that nobe I'll point out Salmon

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Creek this is Salmon Creek running here
go under the tracks

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here under the tracks here and then down
so that's that's essentially what we're

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talking
about in decree the proper drop

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structure and so so the infrastructure
under the tracks is already there yes

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yes okay thank you Deputy
Mayor okay thank you your worship just

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looking at the um the the developers
agreement uh item number three it states

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that the developer agrees that only
Caitlyn Street shall be used for for all

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construction Machinery heavy equipment
and related construction vehicles during

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week days from September until June June
inclusive but I guess how are they going

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to get to Caitlyn street because Caitlyn
runs set the back so are they accessing

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it via Isaac Street or School Avenue it
would be Isa Street okay the concept

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there is that we do have the children
are in school from September until June

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and there would be the traffic is
congested there as it is we think that

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moving construction traffic in the
immediate vicinity of the school is

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bound to cause some safety issues and
some problems and some of which perhaps

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would be just traffic congestion but
there's also certainly safety issue so

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the developer Mr Maly is agreed that
that's a reasonable

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approach okay and then uh to the town
engineer I guess just uh looking at the

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water supply sanitary and uh fire water
supply I'm assuming that we've we have

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ample supply for all all uh all of that
correct three your worship at this point

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yeah that's the Assumption the
calculations have done yet but we

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anticipate that that will be fine great
thank

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you anyone

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else okay I will now then call for
anyone wishing to speak against this

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proposal would you come to the
microphone and state your name sure okay

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please

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my name is Russell McDonald I live at 30
Caitlyn uh I'm not necessarily

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completely opposed to the project but I
do have some questions on it um I had

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never received a letter in the mail
which I thought was surprising uh the

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only reason I knew about it is I don't
go check the town website every day but

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uh counselor told me that this meeting
was going on tonight but coming down

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Isaac coming out of Isaac in the morning
is almost impossible now uh you're

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showing the road going up school Avenue
which is going right by the school which

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joins on to Isaac where's all the
traffic going to go are we going to have

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traffic lights on the good Point Road
and Isaac because right now getting out

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of there in the morning is impossible
because even though you're supposed to

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be going 30 down gooda Point nobody goes
30 down G point so I don't know if

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that's been addressed I'm assuming it
has but I didn't hear anything about it

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tonight so I just had some concerns
about the traffic not so much on the

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construction side because I mean it's
construction um but afterwards when

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there's 58 new residents in pretty much
less of a footprint than what our

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Caitlyn town homes are over 24
units thank you Mr McDon I think maybe

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I'll ask Town manager if he'll respond
to that well there's a couple things to

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worship I think the point's well taken
and I'm sure a number of the people in

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the room have that same
question we think the traffic volumes in

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that area are sufficient now even
without this development to generate the

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need for some traffic control so some
sort of a traffic control device now the

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exact location we're still looking at
there may be a better location than the

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is Condola point intersection that would
still kind of relieve the traffic there

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so that's one aspect the uh and and that
wouldn't wait until the end of this

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project necessarily could be sooner than
that the the other thing was what I

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mentioned
earlier we are in a little bit of a

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thing now where we can't can't do we can
introduce traffic signals but we still

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only have one way in and out of that
subdivision so this this project in the

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opinion of Staff would be the first step
in getting us an alternate exit an

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alternate exit can be valuable from a
number of standpoints certainly in case

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of emergencies and and traffic
congestion and so forth so that's the

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that's kind of the Long View is that
there will be an an alternate ultimately

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an alternate way of getting in and out
the subdivision but in the short short

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range we'd be looking at some kind of
traffic signals somewhere in that

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somewhere in the Gondola Point Vincent
road to Isaac Street area most

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likely is there anyone else wishing to
speak against the

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project yes could you come to the
microphone

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please hi my name is Tracy Davis and
thank you for the opportunity to ask a

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question and thank you for the present
ation for the information it's nice to

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have that context um I just want to
reinforce the point about traffic and

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congestion just to add into perspective
that we have probably around 50 plus

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houses right now in like the Isaac page
Caitlyn area and it's a small footprint

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for those homes on Caitlyn so we're
looking to add 54 homes with just say

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two vehicles per home then you're
looking at D you know you're looking at

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doubling the traffic that's already
there and I just want to put into

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perspective as well to add context for
the traffic side that you have school

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buses and you have a lot of people with
the work brushes like leaving early in

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the morning so it is already quite
congested on top of activities such as

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like construction further down Clark
Road where it intersects with Gondola

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Point I believe they're looking at
adding um a traffic signal of some sort

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there as well so I appreciate that there
is a gap and like a real need for

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seniors and the homes that were
mentioned um I don't believe that the

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area that we're looking at would solve
all of that without really impacting the

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people who do live in that area as well
um I am new to Ras I've only been living

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here about a year but what I love about
it is that it feels like a small

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community with all of the amenities but
you keep that small community feel with

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the pockets of subdivisions that we have
because they aren't expansive or mass

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traffic volumes and you know we're we're
fortunate to have the school where we do

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but it's also a great location because
it's at the beginning of the subdivision

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from a traffic congestion standpoint for
those of us back but for buses and

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everything so I just wanted to add that
context for some sort of additional food

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for thought as well thank you thank you
so traffic

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concerns is there anyone else wishing to
speak against the

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project hi my name is Wendy Barrett I
live at 33 Isaac I have a couple of

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things actually um this is being
referred to as affordable housing can

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you give me some idea what you're
looking at real estate cost for these to

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sell
them ask yes um affordable is not I

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didn't say affordable I don't want to
confuse it with affordable I said it's

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attainable
housing okay so affordable housing

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according to cmhc is 30% pre-tax income
this doesn't meet the qualification for

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affordable housing okay we're looking to
build these homes for 400 in the low

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$400,000
range okay so in your presentation you

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said all majority of the homes in the
valley are now selling for rasi sorry

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are selling for the 700,000
range I would dispute that the homes in

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this District that you're looking at are
selling at that price we've had a couple

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within the last few years that have sold
for 400 or up most of those homes are

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300 or
lower um this property is going to

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immensely impact our property
taxes um which I mean if we build in

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there and there's other residential
homes that may or may not have the same

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impact it's hard to say but when you're
looking at Building 54 Homes at 400,000

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plus it's definitely going to impact our
taxes um so that's one thing I have the

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other question is I'm not
sure that it's actually attainable

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housing I'm speaking from a personal
perspective I have a parent who has been

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looking for somewhere to go as a senior
this is not affordable housing for

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seniors I work in the community I deal a
lot with seniors it's not affordable

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housing for any of the seniors that I
work with in the

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community um they're all saying the same
thing now where do we go we can't

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downsize because because we can't afford
to Brent we can't downsize because to

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buy something new is more expensive than
what we have so we have to stay where we

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are which isn't
feasible so I'm not sure that I agree

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with being attainable for housing for
seniors maybe town houses I don't know

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but um yes we need housing not sure that
I think this is the

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answer for that
area um I also agree that traffic is a

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huge issue
and it's a safety risk for the schools

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for the
school and it doesn't matter which way

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you go through I mean you're
taking she said there's roughly 50

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houses in that area now most houses have
two cars Building 54 more units that's

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another 108 cars
minimum so now we've got a surplus of

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vehicles a huge influx of people which
means traffic itself not just people

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living there visitors guests delivery
trucks yada yada yada um it's just a

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huge influx on traffic which is more
again putting a risk at the kids because

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that subdivision alone has a huge amount
of kids in there just in the residence

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let alone not the school so that's my
concerns I guess thank you is there

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anyone else wishing to speak against the

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project second time is there anyone else
wishing to speak against the

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project
third and final time is there anyone

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else wishing to speak against the
project hearing none I will call for

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people wishing to speak in favor of the
project is there anyone wishing to speak

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in favor of the
project yeah if you would state your

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name please yes my name is Shirley Goen
and I live on Caitlyn Street very close

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to the end of the street and I am
very much in favor of this project

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um I
think the days of getting a home for

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$200,000 are over and
$400,000 is not

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unreasonable for young families
especially and seniors have their own

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homes that they're selling and their
savings and and Investments and I'm sure

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that it's very attainable for a great
majority of

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seniors so I really am in favor of this
project I think it

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makes it makes a home for young families
far more attainable and

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accessible I have my own grandson who's
um saving for a house now and he keeps

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saying Nan I don't understand how I'm
ever going to be able to afford a home

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if there's six and
700,000 but this is the type of housing

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that we need it's really good for the
town I mean it's 54 more

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homes that you're going to have on your
tax base I think it's a great concept

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for young families and and seniors to
live in close proximity to be able to

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enjoy each other if you're if you're
living in a house on a three quarter

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acre lot you're going to put up a fence
you're going to have your pool in the

430
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backyard and you're not going to bother
with any of your neighbors I live in

431
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:43,400
that kind of housing that is being
proposed and it's a really nice

432
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Community you just feel you feel a part
of your your neighborhood and your

433
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:54,760
community it's a great
concept and I think a a good marketing

434
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strategy is going to attract good people
and I don't I don't see anything better

435
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:06,680
for the town of Ros than to have this
type of development and that atmosphere

436
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so I'm very much in favor thank you
thank you is there anyone else wishing

437
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to speak in favor of the

438
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:22,880
project Jeff can you take the microphone
hi har you Jeff's here I'm the executive

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00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:27,119
director of our economic intelligence 10
minutes oh I won't take 10 minutes don't

440
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,359
worry we heard you
yeah don't worry I'll I'll be quick but

441
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:35,400
uh with vision St John I'm just here to
speak in favor of the project we work

442
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:39,040
with developers in the region and we
work quite a bit on trying to understand

443
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:44,280
the regional housing market and what the
challenges and you know quite frankly

444
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it's it's not news but um you know it's
we're certainly in a housing crisis uh

445
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:54,800
we've heard talk about unprecedented
demand um last year we did about three

446
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we grew by about 3,000 people regionally
and we built about 600 homes we doubled

447
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:05,240
going into 600 you know we doubled what
we built a few years ago we probably

448
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,520
need to get to, 1500 we uh we need the
support of every developer we can in the

449
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:14,040
region if we're going to get anywhere
near close to that we're probably

450
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running at about 40 to 50% of where we
need to be as a region right now so it's

451
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an immense Hill decline um but it's been
a bit of a perfect storm we've been hit

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with significant increase construction
costs rapidly over the last three three

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00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:34,240
and a half years we've seen about a 40
to 60% increase in the cost to uh to

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00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:40,280
build homes which is a significant
challenge when you take factor in that

455
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:46,000
incomes have gone up about 8% um
interest rates for people looking to buy

456
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:51,119
homes uh average household makes about
90,000 90 plus thousand a year in the

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00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:56,839
region um when you factor in the change
in interest rates the buying power of

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that average household declined about by
about

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00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:05,800
$80,000 so at the same time that housing
prices have gone up about 50% the

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ability for people to pay for it they've
lost about $80,000 so you know we looked

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00:40:08,839 --> 00:40:16,359
at numbers you know 2019 we estimated
typical single family home new

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00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:22,359
construction probably could hit the
market 4 to 450 that same product in a

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very short period of time is now 600,000
to

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00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:33,800
$650,000 per unit it's gone from maybe
40 to 50% population being able to carry

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that mortgage to about 10 to 15 um so we
expect as we've seen in other

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communities that the model development
might change uh it might have to adapt

467
00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:49,000
one of the key ways of developer can
make housing more affordable is density

468
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uh so having more units spreads the cost
of land it spreads the cost of building

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00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:57,520
the street infrastructure generally
speaking for a townhouse development

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like this probably could mean anywhere
between 50 and $775,000 less spent a

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00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:08,640
unit so the difference between
$425,000 home and a $500,000 home for a

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00:41:07,319 --> 00:41:15,440
first-time home
buyer nationally this is the trend um in

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terms of where the housing market has
been going as a country uh you know

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we've seen a 200% increase in apartment
construction a 60% increase in townhouse

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00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:31,319
development a 20% decrease roughly in
semi- detached and an almost 50%

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00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:36,960
decrease in single family homes and
generally speaking most of those have

477
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:40,680
been on smaller and smaller Lots so you
know just in conclusion you know

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generally
speaking what we're seeing preliminarily

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and what we're trying to advise
municipalities is that the general form

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of Housing and Development that we see
in the region may change we may see a

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00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,960
lot more town houses roow houses semi-
detached and fewer single families it's

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been the trend in areas that dealt with
the affordability issue because the cost

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00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:10,760
to build has jumped up so quickly um in
the past couple of years it means that

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as a region we've got to adjust to it
overnight and so with that you know

485
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:20,240
we're trying to encourage municipalities
that you know we might need to think

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about different housing forms than
perhaps we may have used to obviously

487
00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:28,040
you still need to find the right place
and and communities need to understand

488
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:32,559
what they want where they want it but uh
overall from Market perspective you know

489
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:38,599
that's how we see attainable housing
being uh being achieved I'll leave that

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thank you is there anyone else wishing
to speak in favor of the

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00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,280
project is there anyone else wishing to
speak in favor of the

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project third and final time is anyone
else willing or wishing to speak in

493
00:42:53,440 --> 00:43:02,000
favor of the
project hearing none since there were

494
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:09,280
some uh issues raised I will uh give Mr
Mal be the final word here if you wishes

495
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,280
to respond to those comments

496
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:18,520
um no I appreciate the feedback and I I
recognize the concern for the traffic

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00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:25,359
undoubtedly just just a few things and
um our to manager touched on it briefly

498
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:29,680
in that as the land continues to be
developed

499
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:35,119
as the future map shows we are now
eliminating what is currently a very

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00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:41,160
long culdesac which in itself creates
issues for safety getting in and out Etc

501
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,200
with this proposal and the future
development to come we would remove that

502
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:51,280
long called the saac and eventually have
another exit out of this community so

503
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:57,000
that that would be one thing on the
traffic um the other is this type of

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00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:01,119
development is a little different than
a multi-unit apartment building for

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00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,359
example with let's say 54 units when
it's finished boom you get everything

506
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:11,359
all at once this development's over
three years it gives us time as Mr

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00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:17,640
jarvey had indicated that there probably
already needs some sort of traffic

508
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:23,680
signal uh signal and control and so we
have the time to do what is necessary

509
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:28,000
with regards to that as the traffic
builds over three years

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00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:39,079
um and and that's that that's it um I
just want to say truly we we there's a

511
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certainly a need for housing for young
families and for

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00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:49,960
seniors is there a perfect spot there's
only so much land

513
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:56,319
available this I believe in my opinion
this is a very very good location it has

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00:44:53,720 --> 00:45:00,200
existing infrastructure it has water it
has

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00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:08,440
sewer it's got the same type of housing
adjacent to it it has a school feet away

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00:45:04,839 --> 00:45:15,800
M feet away for young families it's got
a well-known well-used play area it's

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00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:20,280
got a walking trail for all for seniors
for young people so I do believe it is a

518
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:25,119
very good location for this type of
development and I'll leave it at that

519
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:29,359
and thank you for your time thank you uh
thank you for your Pres ation thank you

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Council thank you folks for coming and
commenting and with that I will adjourn

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this public

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hearing