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Don't you because that's

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Oh my god.

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Notice we looked at when we said
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Okay, it's

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You ready, Steve? All right. We will
call to order our planning commission

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meeting for September 8th, 2026 for Roy,
Utah. And we will begin with the pledge

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of allegiance uh led by Commissioner
Reid.

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I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you. We'll begin by declaring any
conflicts. Do any of the commissioners

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have any conflicts they need to declare?
>> I have a clarification. One of the

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petitioners for the quick clean is uh
was David Young. That is not me. And as

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far as I know, I am not related to him.
>> Okay. And then typically if we have a

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financial interest and there's is there
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» There's no financial there.
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clarification. Probably quite a few
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» at least seven. common name. Um, seeing
no conflicts, we will move on to agenda

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item number two, which is approval of
the July 14th, 2026 regular meeting

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minutes.

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» Um, I do have a few amendments to be
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On line 216,
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to approve the site plan. Uh, that was
not correct, but I'm not sure which

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commissioner did make that uh motion.
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Tanner seconded the motion. That's not
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seconded that motion.

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» So 21 16 would have been you.
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» Okay. Thank you.
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moved to approve the architectural
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Bills. And then on line 222, it states
that I, Commissioner Graph, seconded the

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motion, but I was not in attendance that
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that motion. I went through the
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» Those are all of my notes. Thank you.
>> So, Steve, do you want us to hold that

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or just make the amendments? as
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» Any other comments or a motion is in
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» Motion to approve July 14th, 2026
regular meeting minutes with the

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amendments.
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» I have a motion, a second. All in favor?
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» All right, those minutes are approved.
Um, next we have,

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excuse me, I have a little bit of a
cold, so if my voice goes out a little

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bit, uh, bear with me. Um, next we have
a public hearing, and this is to

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consider the following request for
property located at approximately 3934

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and 3960 West, 5,500 South. And these
requests are to amend the general plan

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future land use map from single family
residential to multifamily residential.

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Amend the zoning map from R18 single
family residential to R4 multifamily

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residential. And if the applicants are
here, if they would please come forward.

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May I make a note or a clarification on
this request under section B. It dates

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from R-1-8
single family residence to R3. That is

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the only point. I think it's just a
typo. Said R3 there. Everywhere else

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it's R4. Y agenda is to go to R4.
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everything that went out is R4.
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» Okay. Um go ahead if you'll please state
your name and then tell us which city

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you live in and then tell us about um
why you want to resone this property.

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» Okay. My name is James Openshaw and I
live at 3066 West 4600 South in Roy. Uh

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this property that's located there uh
belongs to my mom and dad which have now

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passed on and Kathy Ben. And this is a
representative for Kathy Benion. It's

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her son that's here. He'll get up. If
you need him to get up now, he will. Or

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he'll wait till after I'm done.
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that.
>> So, uh, our parents have just, my mom

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just recently passed away. And we've had
this property in our family now for 56

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years. Uh, my mom dad bought it back in
1970. And, uh, we had all intentions to

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keep it the way it was, the five acres
that we had at the time. Uh you can't

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see it all here, but in the yellow part
there, it went clear on back to 5 acres

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and then there was another 10 acre
parcel next to it that my uncle had. But

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uh through as time went on and houses
were starting to move in around us, uh

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there was developers that come in and
tried to buy the property from my dad.

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They was able to get my uncle to sell
his his 10 acres which went back clear

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back to that second road back there.
uh and he sold his part and then they

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wanted my dad to sell his and my dad
says, "No, I'm not going to sell mine. I

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want to keep my acorage." We've had
horses, cows, pigs, raceh horses. We've

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had all kinds of different animals on
that property throughout the 56 years

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that we've lived there. Well, have had
the property. So, um they finally come

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to an agreement with my dad that they
would go ahead and trade him some

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property. So he ended up trading the
back half back there for the front half

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there. And we ended up with roughly
about three acres there that goes just

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to the first road. And so uh they were
able to have the access to come in and

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do do the zoning of the R18s.
Uh so they come in and they did that. Uh

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and then they wanted to buy some more
from him and he says no, we're just

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going to hang on to that. We don't want
to get rid of it. So meanwhile, when

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they come in and done some more housing
in there and they put that road in

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there, we went ahead as a family and
decided, well, we want to put the um uh

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the utilities and everything in that
road. So, if we was going to de uh do

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anything with them lots in the future
that there wouldn't be such an impact on

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a new road and stuff. I worked for the
city of Roy for for 28 years and in the

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city government for 32. So, we thought
that'd be the best way to go about doing

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that. So, we did that and then uh about
10 years ago, we decided to uh sell

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seven lots back there right just behind
the yellow part there. And the Benyons

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uh we got with them too and they Yeah.
Right here. This is what we tried. We

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sold about eight years ago. We sold
these lots. We developed them and then

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sold them. We asked the Benyons if they
wanted to go on board with us at that

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time because they had this property the
same thing. had had an oversized lot in

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Roy that could no longer have any
animals. So, they thought that their

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best interest and ours was, okay, we'll
go ahead and we'll uh we'll sell these.

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We had seven and they had three lots.
So, we went ahead and sold those seven

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lots. And when we was laying those lots
out, we thought, well, what we'll do is

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we'll make them lots a little bit
bigger. So we come in to give them a

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little bit more room in their backyards
and stuff to make them a little bit more

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feasible for people to to want to buy
and stuff. So when we did that, at one

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time we had when we did all this in the
future, we had uh a cullisac

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coming into that lot there that's all
around the yellow part and we was going

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to put like five or six more homes in
there. Well, when we did when we added

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them other ones, it made it too almost a
little bit too small to do the R18.

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So, we thought, well, maybe what we can
do is we'll uh because the there's an

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existing house there and the Benyons
have an existing house and on the west

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side on that side of the map, uh the
Benyons got some property that go all

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the way back. Makes for their big lot.
They had plans to sell that lot and we

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had plans to develop three lots on the
east side of there to make them R1AS.

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Well, the state come in and they told us
that uh you guys I wanted an access for

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the property there so I could get in and
out and do whatever I needed to do

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because I got a lot of maintenance and
pull out trailers and do different

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things in there. And uh we asked the
state and they says, "No, we're going to

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give you the one access you got right
now." And they wanted to change that

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access. They wanted to have that access
to that home line up with that road,

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which makes sense, but it doesn't make
sense for the home that's there. So

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talking with the engineers in Roy City,
we was able to get the the driveway put

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in and the Benyons were able to get
their driveway put in next to ours with

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the separation of the curb where it
ramps up. So at that time we was getting

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ready to to do the lots there on the
east and on the west side and they told

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us that they would not give us access to
another uh access into that property. So

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we was stuck with one we had. So that
time it put a hardship on us. Here we

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are. We're we're orphans now is what my
brother says. We've lost our parents and

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uh we've got this piece of property that
nobody's living in. We all got our own

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homes in our own places and uh we want
to get rid of it and uh we don't want to

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just try to sell it as an R18 because
it's no good for horse property. It's

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really an oversized lot for an R18. I
don't know what somebody would do with

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it, but what I've seen in the future and
I mean in the past is people that's got

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lots like that, they bring in a lot of
things and you kind of get hoarders that

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move into places like that and before
long it ends up being a a junkyard. So,

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we're coming before you today asking you
that with the hardship that we have been

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put upon us from the state of Utah, we
would like to reszone both of these

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properties here and and do them together
as an R4 that would make it for

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multiling. So if they we could sell it
to whoever a developer or whoever we

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sell it to. We can sell it as an R4
property and then they can come in there

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and they can put the multiling in there.
Then they could line the road up with

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the road that's across the street and
that would only be the one access. So

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right now there's two accesses there.
And if we was to sell it, then there

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would only be the one access where they
would uh go in and out for the uh

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multi-living uh houses that I mean not
houses but forplexes that would be in

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there for affordable living. Uh we
really think it'd be a good idea to

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bring something like this to the
community. uh there's not a whole lot

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down in that part of that that area of
Roy and uh you know things are getting

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tougher and tougher every year and I
think if we was able to you know to uh

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redo that as an R4 and come in and do
that that we maybe we might be able to

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have some more affordable living so some
of these young kids that are first

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getting married can come in and and uh
have a place to live. We're not

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developers. We're just regular people
and we're just trying to get the best

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bang for our buck on this property. So,
you know, we've had it for 56 years. Um

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I I've been to these kind of meetings
before. I kind of have a good idea what

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happened. But as of right now, we're
we're asking for your permission to move

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on to uh council and and approve this so
we can uh move on and get rid of this

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piece of property that's going to kind
of be a hinderance to us.

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So, do you have anything to say?

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» Yeah. My name is Jason Harrison. I live
at 736 Healey in Ogden, Utah. I'm

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representing my mother, Kathy Ben, who
resides at 3960 West 5500 South here in

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Roy. Uh uh my parents have uh um lived
on this property for uh over 30 years

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now. Uh and and have loved the place
that they called home. from uh uh my my

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stepfather Richard passed away in in
2018 to my mother as the only occupant

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with my sister on the current property
uh and has asked me uh to to represent

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her tonight as her health does not allow
her to to be able to to come out. Um

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it's a big piece of property with only
one access point now. Uh we're pretty

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limited in what we can do. Uh we had
hoped to be able to downsize the

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property uh and perhaps sell off the
portion on the west side of the house uh

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uh to to limit some of the upkeep that
needs to take place. Uh with only the

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one access point that makes that uh uh
next to impossible uh it's a big lot but

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we don't have many options uh for what
we can do with it in the future. Uh Jim

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here was kind enough to inform us of
their desires with their property. Uh

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mother was in agreeance that uh she
wanted to go in with him on this to

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expand our options uh uh as we look to
kind of take care of her in the future

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and and what that what may come from
that. So uh we fully uh support this

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proposal and hope that you'll consider
that.

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Is that the end of your
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» I don't want to talk anymore.
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» I'll answer questions. So,
>> yeah, we we may have a few questions for

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>> So, with this um proposal, is your

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intent to remove the two homes, Bonnie
and and Kathy's homes from the property?

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eventually if a developer I've had some
developers approach me and they want to

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just buy it and I thought well you know
why don't we take the first step and

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then they can but they have mentioned of
removing both homes.

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» Okay. And you mentioned there's the one
point of access that you do has

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indicated that they'll keep and that's
the joint

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» area where the driveway current the
current

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» they want to line it up with the road
that's across I think it's 3925 is what

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the road is across the street there. You
can see it's on hits almost

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threequarters of the way of the
property, but it would be a a good good

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access for that multi-living. And then
it would eliminate the other two

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accesses. But like I said, they wanted
us to move our driveway to that so it

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lined up so it wouldn't be, you know,
entering the traffic zone from this side

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and then down the road 50 or 100 feet
there's another one and then another 10

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feet there's another one with the
benions. So that's our whole thing is it

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that it would be best to have it as an
R4 that would eliminate only the other

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two accesses and have just one access to
that property with the multi- living.

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» Okay. And then my last question is have
you kind of laid out I know we're

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talking about a reszone, not necessarily
the the subdivision itself, but have you

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laid that out to kind of see what it
would look like if it were to remain an

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R18? I haven't, but I have had somebody
that has gave me a a picture of it and

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showed me kind of what they was going to
do.

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» But I've it's been like eight years ago
I got that picture.

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» So if it wasn't to be reszone though,
have you looked at what it could is it

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even possible to develop?
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» No. The way it is? No. Not at R18. I
mean we're stuck with the one access for

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our property, the one access for their
property. Like I said, we had plans to

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put three more lots on the east side.
They got plans to put one more lot on

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the west side. We can't. The state won't
let us do it. I would imagine if we

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fought hard enough and went through the
battle three, four, five, six years, you

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know, that we may be able to get
something to happen. But I'm not into

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developing property. I, you know, that's
I've been taking care of that place for

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my mom and dad for the last 10 years
because they just not been able to do

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it. and I got my own things to take care
of and it's we want to be we want to get

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rid of it. So that's why we're trying to
go down this and and I know if we just

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go ahead and sell it just as a a lot R1
R18 that whoever's buy it I know

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somebody a developer is going to jump on
it and then they're going to be in here

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trying to reap the benefit of it. So
we're just trying to be a little

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proactive on our behalf to to get the
benefit if it is approved of our four.

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Okay. Any questions from any of the
other commissioners?

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» Thank you. We may have some more
questions afterward and so be be ready.

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But thank you.
>> I will be. Okay. Thank you,

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» Steve. As mentioned, this is a request
to change the general plan from single

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family to multifamily and from R18 to R4
zoning. Uh property here on 5600 South.

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Really the only access is to 50 or 55
sorry 56 55 is all kind of the same but

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uh it only have access to 55 not into
any in the neighborhood in the the north

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of them. Um as mentioned it's about
three and a half acres. Um maybe a

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little bit more in total.
Um so looking at the future land the

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general plan future land use map on the
left there you see it's single family

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and then on the right is the zoning map.
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south that was reszoned a couple I think
a year and a half ago to R4. It's that

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kind of the vacant parcel there with the
vacant barn and house. Um so that's

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their request is just to reszone it R4.
So, planning commission recommend

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forwarding a positive recommendation.

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Any questions?
>> Could we just get a quick review of what

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the R4 zoning entails
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12 units an acre. It could be town
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single family homes on 6,000 foot lot.
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» thank you. I appreciate that. I was
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not able to locate that exact breakdown.
So, I appreciate it.

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» Any other questions for Steve?

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» Okay. Uh, time for a motion to go into a
public hearing.

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» I'll make a motion to move into public
hearing.

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» Second. have a motion and a second. All
in favor?

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» I. Any opposed?
>> That's unanimous. So, we're now in

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public hearing. Um, so what we'll do is
we'll invite members from the public to

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come forward. Um, please state your name
and the city in which you live. And then

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just a couple of ground rules that we
have. You'll be given three minutes each

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to speak. Um, which is almost a full
page of notes. So, it actually is quite

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a bit of time, even though it it doesn't
sound like much. Um, when I raise my

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hand, that means you have about 15
seconds left to wrap up. Um then during

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the public hearing, please refrain from
clapping or cheering. Um be respectful.

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Um the people who've proposed this are
members of our community that do do live

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here. So um be respectful of that. And
then if uh somebody before you has

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already stated what you want to say, um
you don't necessarily need to repeat

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that. You can just say, "Hey, I agree
with this." And then tell us the the new

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points that you would like to make. Um
so with that, we'll go ahead and open

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public hearing.
And you can also stack up. So, if

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somebody's at the microphone, we can
have one or two people behind them just

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to keep things flowing as well.

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My name is Kevin Homer and I live here
in Roy. Uh, just a clarification, I have

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no financial or relational conflicts to
declare. There is another Kevin Homer in

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the area, but I'm taller and better
looking than he is. Um, I had took some

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time to review the information in the
packet. I do live just a block uh to the

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north of of these these lots. Uh I
thought that it was a a little bit

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strange that there was no development
agreement. We have very little

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information about what would be done on
this land. So for me that was a little

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bit of a concern, but it was not in any
way big enough of a concern for me to

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oppose this. I just want you to know
that after my review and looking at what

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could be done here, I think it would be
of of benefit to Roy and for whatever

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it's worth, I would support this
initiative. Thank you.

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» And just for the record, um if you have
questions, we're going to take notes and

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then once the public hearing is over,
we'll answer all of those at the same

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time. So,
>> okay. Um my name's Ryan Barrett. I live

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in one of the houses that was developed
on the north side of that property. Um I

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have some notes just to follow along. I
get a little nervous in settings like

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this and just have a few questions and
items I'd like to address. Um one item

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I'd like to address is that in the
document it stated that um

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the property is looking at being
developed into multifamily because that

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is needed in the city um for moderate
income housing. Um my question to that

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is that um
more density doesn't necessarily mean

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moderate income housing and my concern
with this development and changing this

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at this point without a development plan
or developer online is it it seems a

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little limiting to the guard rails that
are put in place to achieve that. Um,

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just because you're allowing that much
density in this area doesn't mean the

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developer is going to come in and create
something that's going to be affordable.

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It it doesn't mean it's going to be
moderate income housing. It means that

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the developer is going to capitalize the
best they can on the property and do

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what's in their best interest with the
property. Um, I I completely support

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their understanding and wanting to sell
this property and gain from it the best

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they can, but I'm I'm kind of concerned
and don't understand why there's this

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happening at this point and what what
would be the guardrails to help protect

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later on um what that development looks
like down the road. Um,

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it was also stated that 5500 South is an
arterial road and this type of housing

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seems fitting against that scenario. Um,
I don't disagree that at some point in

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time it does. I I feel like right now it
doesn't necessarily. Traffic on that

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road is is pretty bad. Um, and I I
understand this will be a process and

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take some time to be developed, but that
side of things will as well. And it it

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goes from two lanes down to or from four
lanes down to two. It's congested.

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Things back up when the school's in
session at Freedom Elementary. um adding

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more density to this area just it
doesn't seem like it's well thought out

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and well planned fully. Um I I don't
want to disparage development and and

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density. I I think that's needed, but I
I just don't see how this parcel really

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fits fully within that. Um another thing
I wanted to address is in the staffing

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document it said me as a citizen that
lives next to this property is going to

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come and say the usual I don't like
change. Um, I disagree with that

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characteriz characterization. Um, it's
not that I don't want change. It's that

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I want thoughtful change. It's that I
want change that allows what we're going

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towards. And I I just don't see at this
point where this makes sense and gains

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us that. So,
>> 15 seconds.

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» Um, so yeah, that's that's just what I
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ask those few questions like what what
are the guardrails? What are the

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guardrails for those of us that live
around it? We're transitioning from

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higher density, if this happens, into a
neighborhood around it that's lower,

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that's single family. What are those
guardrails to help us to understand

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privacy, traffic flow, storm water
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Thanks.
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» Good evening. My name is Daniel Evans. I
am lot six James Place. So, um, my wife

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and baby and I are actually very
grateful for your choice earlier on.

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That's been a god-given blessing to us
to be able to live here in Roy. Never

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thought we'd end up around here. Um, I'm
not going to take my full three minutes

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because Ryan said everything I wanted to
say. Um, it's just there's not a thing I

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want to do to prevent folks from getting
into a home and owning a home.

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Um, so many engineers I work with are
commuting from Tremont because they

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can't find something affordable closer
to Hiller Force Base. Um, so it's it's

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kind of crazy. It needs it needs help.
And so my chief concerns are are the

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same is how how do we how do we protect
about how this would be developed at a

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future point? Um what other um guard
rails are in place between resoning now

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and what a developer may do with it. Um,
also, is there anything we can do to

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actually make sure that that goes
towards facilitating affordable home

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ownership
um, of these properties that border it?

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I think at at least three I know of are
rentals now. That's not in that's not

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facilitating affordable home ownership.
These people are paying $2,400 a month

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rent.
That's going the wrong direction. And um

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and then a small comment I actually did
agree with again with Ryan the comment

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that says we'll come and we'll complain
because it's what we know and it's what

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we're used to. Um that kind of irked me
too. I don't like being talked about

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that way. We need more affordable
housing. I'm used to a tenth of an acre.

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I moved to Royce so I could have a third
of an acre and some privacy. Um, so

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yeah, how do we how do we protect it
going forward? If not now, when? Thank

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you.
>> Thank you.

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» Is there anybody else who'd like to
speak to this one?

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I want to make sure everybody has a
chance. So, if you do want to come on

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up.

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» I'm sure. Hang on. Okay, there we go. My
name is Mandy Openshaw. I live at 366

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West, 4600 South. Um, this is my
mother-in-law and my father-in-law's

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home that they lived in. It is a
beautiful property and the folks that

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have come up today tonight to give their
concern,

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my father-in-law sold that property so
they could have those homes. Okay. So,

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it's better to have
forplexes

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like three or four forplexes. Look how
many homes that provides for people.

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affordable homes. And we did go through
the cost and we put a big fence along

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the whole back. So all those people that
got to build because of my father-in-law

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selling those lots, we put a fence up.
It's private. It's private. It's as

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private as that road can get. It is a
heavy road. It is a direct shot to

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Hillfield. And I think it's a wonderful
thing for Roy to really consider

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because if we could put four or five
forplexes, that's a lot of homes. That's

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a lot of people we're housing lowincome
homing.

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Other than that, go take a look at it.
It's gorgeous. Somebody would be very

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happy to land in that area. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Anybody

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else?
Okay, a motion is in order.

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» Motion to go out of public hearing.
>> Have a motion. Do we have a second?

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» Second.
>> And a second. All in favor?

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» I
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out of uh public hearing.
Steve,

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» um there's a lot of comments or
questions about safeguarding the

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property. Um the ordinance does require
if if you got multifamily abuing against

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single family uh section 101
can't remember the exact one it does

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have two pages of what needs to be done
for to protect the single family homes

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abudding up against um multifamily
whether it be town homes apartment

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building forplexes or what have if it's
single family those kind of go away but

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there are things in the code that
already have safeguards anything abuing

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single family residential which this
would on the west and north south and

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east it wouldn't come into play because
you got the Howard Slooh right there and

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or no that's Lelayton canal never mind
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um
traffic

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5500 south UD do's going to probably
widen in the next few years or at least

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on you know in the next 20 years because
Hooper is growing. In fact, Hooper is

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slated to be bigger than Roy in 20
years. So, more vehicles will be coming

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along there. So, you don't really want
single family fronting against this. So,

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it would have to be backside like the
the subdivisions or the culde-sacs to

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the west. But when you you start talking
about multif family and affordable, yes,

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there's no safeguard that says that um
someone couldn't come in there, build,

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we'll just say 36 homes because it's
about 3 acres or more um and make it

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affordable unless the city's willing to
invest money into it um saying, "Hey, if

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you make 10% of this affordable, we'll
give you money to help with the

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infrastructure or what have you. So
knowing Roy is having budgetary

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problems, that's not going to happen. So
unless they get with the state agency to

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help with that, um to make it
affordable, kind of down to that supply

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and demand aspect. The more supply we
have and less demand,

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prices go down. Right now, we're kind of
in that little supply, high demand, so

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prices go up. Um, that's kind of how the
free market would work to help lower it

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unless state, county or the city are
willing to devest money into the project

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itself. And the city's not going to
doesn't can afford that right right now.

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Uh, storm water is always something
that's looked at in developments,

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whether it's commercial, single family,
or multifamily. Um FEMA and the EPA

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strongly discourage water flowing across
property lines unless it's a natural

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slope. You know, if we got a mountain
side and water flows downhill, that's

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going to happen. But mostly flat ground,
we it'll have to contain the water on

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site, then discharge it into the storm
storm system. So those are aspects that

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will come into play, but you really
don't know what that's going to look

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like until a site plan is submitted. And
by law, we can't require a site plan at

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this at this point in juncture. Um, as
Commissioner Graph had had asked, what's

401
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,760
allowed in this zone? And it's single
family, town homes, apartments. I mean,

402
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:36,000
those are the the aspects of multif
family that can can be built in there.

403
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:39,520
So, you've got to judge it based on that
aspect. Uh, why no development

404
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:46,720
agreement? probably because there's no
developer at this time seeking for

405
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:51,359
increase in in units or smaller lots for
single family or or or what have you.

406
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:56,200
Just the property owner hoping to
reszone it to to sell.

407
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:04,240
Yeah,
I think that was all the questions.

408
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:09,599
» That's all them that I had down.
Uh I just wanted to throw in there you

409
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:14,480
referenced um our zoning municipal code
10-11-9

410
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:21,119
is the exact section. So um and there is
a note in there um section 3 uh se

411
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,800
subsection B regarding height um
speaking about this kind of a a property

412
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:29,599
change where maximum maximum building
height is 35 ft. Additionally all multif

413
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,880
family structures of two stories or more
will be reviewed with respect to the

414
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,400
following elements. perceived height
building mass compatibility with

415
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:41,119
existing development and and it and it
goes on. I just want to double check

416
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:45,599
because my understanding of this is that
if this were to be zoned R4, this would

417
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,200
be part of those requirements. So, we
wouldn't be looking at higher than 35

418
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,760
ft. We're not
>> R4 only allows 35 foot tall buildings.

419
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:57,760
» 35 feet is the current requirement for
R18 as well. So, the height wouldn't

420
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,760
change with the reszone.
>> Thank you. I just wanted to clarify and

421
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:05,040
make sure that I wasn't making an
assumption here or making a decision

422
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:09,800
based off of that height when it was
actually going to be allowing something

423
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,800
different.

424
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:18,079
» Any other questions?
>> Question for Steve. The U access off of

425
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:24,079
55.
Um, is there a is there a width limit on

426
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,079
the access? We talking can we do a
30-foot

427
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,240
road access off of 55 into this
property?

428
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,760
» That's a great question. You'd have to
ask you doc.

429
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:37,920
» I was not that that meeting probably
happened years ago

430
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:42,800
um without the the city or without me
involved. So I I don't know the the the

431
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,800
ins and outs, but it's pretty likely
that they said needs to match up with

432
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:50,720
3925. You're probably only going to get
one if it redevelops.

433
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:54,320
that would be consistent with the way
they've done in the past

434
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,920
» is if it's gr if it's granted as that. I
mean, it's not

435
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:02,319
um
unreasonable to believe that R18 could

436
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:06,400
stay that way that they could go in with
that access road and then split it into

437
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:12,240
two culde-sacs and just have some larger
lots but still stay within the R18.

438
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:16,880
» I mean, yeah, you'd have one main road,
one road going in and how they how it

439
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:20,160
divided up.
>> Okay. and wouldn't need a secondary

440
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:23,839
access because of its
>> uh I don't think you're gonna meet more

441
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:28,000
than 30 in order to have a requirement.
>> Right. So

442
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:32,960
um
>> and again if the town homes or

443
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:37,680
apartments come into play, fire code can
or circumvent and say not circumvent but

444
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:40,240
put into place that it's the building is
sprinkled or right if there's no second

445
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,520
access.
>> Right.

446
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Okay.
>> Right.

447
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,480
It's up to

448
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:56,560
I just Oh, may I? So, sorry. One more
thing. Um, and this kind of ties into

449
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:02,000
the the comments that have been made by
the residents about that um that wording

450
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:05,200
of uh the residents most likely want to
keep things the way as they are because

451
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:10,319
it's what they know and what they are
used to. And um just as we're going

452
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:16,480
through this process and everything,
there is some

453
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:20,400
lack of just like clear this is how this
is going to go. And that's not

454
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:24,400
necessarily like anyone's not giving all
of the information. It's more that we

455
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:30,640
kind of know how it works and sometimes
we don't always remember to portray

456
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,960
that. And so our residents rather than
being um upset because something is

457
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:39,520
being changed from what they're used to
there there's probably a bit of that

458
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:45,040
coming from
not not really knowing what is actually

459
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:49,520
being done what that's what that will
look like with this change. So real

460
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,800
quick just before we get into this next
um decision I want to make sure that

461
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:58,960
what I understand us to be deciding here
is actually correct. If we were to

462
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:03,040
change this to R4, then moving forward,
a development agreement would only be

463
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:07,359
coming through if it was going to
require something that didn't match the

464
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,960
R4 zoning.
>> Correct.

465
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:15,839
» And if a developer came in and wanted to
develop this according to the R4 zoning,

466
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,960
then that would be coming through. Um,
similar to the administrative items on

467
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,200
our agenda today, a request for site
plan approval. That would be the step

468
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:28,960
there.
>> Correct. And so if we've got something

469
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:32,640
that doesn't fit our four zoning, we go
back through the process of a

470
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:38,079
development agreement, discussing it
here, taking all of that into account.

471
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:43,119
If we change this zoning, a developer
can come in and submit a site plan for

472
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:49,040
approval at a future date. Okay. Thank
you.

473
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:55,359
Being the newbie, if we do approve it as
a R4, we can't guarantee that it will be

474
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:58,079
duplexes or any of that other stuff
because there's no site plan in place

475
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,640
now.
>> There likely will never be a site plan

476
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:05,040
with the reszone most of the time. Um,
sometimes they'll tell us what they want

477
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:08,240
to do.
>> As mentioned, by law, I can't require a

478
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,640
site plan.
>> So, you got to think about it just

479
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:14,720
logically.
>> I haven't boughten the property. Mhm.

480
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:21,119
» I want to build on the property. A site
plan can cost me $15$20,000

481
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:25,920
just to ask somebody, can I change the
zoning?

482
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,359
» So, logically, I got a lot of money in
there with an unknown result.

483
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:33,200
» Yeah, exactly.
>> So, being able to get the reszone and

484
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:38,319
then put the money into it is is
generally how it goes. Uh, when you have

485
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:41,040
state legislators that are developers,
it's kind of how everything falls into

486
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,319
place.
>> Yeah.

487
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:49,359
But again, just moneywise, it doesn't
make sense to put in 20 grand on

488
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,960
something that may never
>> be approved.

489
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,920
» Exactly.
>> Because of the zone.

490
00:44:53,359 --> 00:45:00,240
and also just dictating between whether
or not the property is going to be used

491
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:04,079
for personal home ownership versus
rental property is outside of what we

492
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,839
are allowed to uh
>> I mean I I can't even guarantee that the

493
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:14,079
single family homes to the north
>> can remain owners owner occupants this

494
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:18,640
there's no law that says I couldn't rent
my house out

495
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:22,960
» so I could own it and rent it there's
nothing that says that you know 30% or

496
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:28,160
50% have to be home owners There's
nothing in there. So, this could be all

497
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:31,160
rentals or it could be all up for for
sale.

498
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:42,079
Steve, is there a study that talks about
that you've seen? Sorry, you grin at me.

499
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:49,440
um that shows if we were if they were to
develop an R18 homes and what that

500
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:53,920
potential cost could be versus the
multifamily

501
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:59,440
when we're talking about the affordable
housing. There anything that says that

502
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:03,680
you know the R18 would would be less
affordable than if we did a multifamily

503
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:08,480
in this lot. Is there anything that
would help people understand that when

504
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:12,240
we talk about affordable that yes this
does mean affordable because it's not I

505
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:17,680
know rents are high but like you said
supply demand will change that but does

506
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:22,079
it mean R18 if we if we keep it R18
doesn't mean it's going to be any better

507
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:25,599
it sounds like it'd be actually less
affordable under that definition

508
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,640
» well I mean there probably is studies
out there and there's probably places

509
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:36,319
like strong cities or um
>> other you

510
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:41,680
high density type residential. Um just
looking at I mean 2016 we did a

511
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:47,200
community development block grant with
CDBG

512
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:52,079
um to get $250,000 to help replace uh
curb gutter, sidewalk, streets, sewer

513
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:57,440
line and water line for I think it was
threequarters of a mile. And in 2016 it

514
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:03,119
cost $750,000
just to do that. And that served

515
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:09,599
20 homes.
Um, mult usually multifamily R4, they're

516
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:14,560
going to be private roads. So, we this
we the citizens aren't responsible for

517
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:20,960
upkeep of that road to replace it. The
water line and sewer line will still be

518
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:24,880
public, but that's a a minor aspect of
of everything. So if you have 20 homes

519
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:31,040
and it costs almost a million dollars
and you have 40 homes on the same line,

520
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:37,440
if you just divide what the house per
linear foot of of roadway, it comes into

521
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,880
a lot cheaper if you have more homes on
there.

522
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:45,280
» So higher density does help with
affordability

523
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:49,040
um in the long run. I mean upfront the
developer still has to put the lines in,

524
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,200
still has to put everything in. It's
going to cost them a lot of money, but

525
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:58,319
20 years from now when things start
breaking or coming apart on the city

526
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:02,480
aspect, if it's a private road, it's not
coming from our pocket.

527
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:05,280
» Right.
>> Thank you.

528
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:10,640
» With the road access and everything and
with that level of density, would it be

529
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,119
more feasible to consider an R3 zoning
for this?

530
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,480
» There's no difference between R3 and R4
on density.

531
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,599
» Thank you.
tried but it was denied.

532
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:28,880
» Okay, a motion's in order. Motion to
forward a positive recommendation to

533
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,960
city council for request with the
findings as outlined within the staff

534
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:34,559
report
>> for which

535
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:39,119
general plan
>> for sorry

536
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,680
the is the reszone right
>> there's am

537
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,040
» you got to do the general plan first
>> sorry I'm coming back to it

538
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:49,119
» so amend the general plan
>> to amend the general plan future land

539
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:55,520
use map from single family residential
to multif family residential sorry

540
00:48:53,200 --> 00:49:01,200
» so I have a motion for favor favorable
recommendation. Do we have a second?

541
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:04,480
» I'll second.
>> Have a second. This will be a roll call

542
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:09,000
vote.
>> Okay. Commissioner Graph

543
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,240
» I.
>> Commissioner Bailey.

544
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:13,680
» I.
>> Commissioner Felt.

545
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,280
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Callie.

546
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,680
» I.
>> Commissioner Tan.

547
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,680
» I'm going Tan. That's You're not here
anymore.

548
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,960
» Commissioner Tanner.
>> Hi.

549
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Commissioner Reid.
>> Hi,

550
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:32,839
» Commissioner Young.
>> I

551
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,839
» Okay, that passes 70.

552
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:45,359
» Yeah. Second motion is in order.
>> Motion to amend the zoning map um

553
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:54,079
for the addresses at 3934 and 3960 West,
5,500 South from R18 to R4

554
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,280
multif family residential.
Seconded.

555
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,880
» Again, roll call vote.
>> Commissioner Young,

556
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,240
» I.
>> Commissioner Reid,

557
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:02,400
» I.
>> Commissioner Tanner,

558
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,000
» I.
>> Commissioner Callie,

559
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,200
» I.
>> Commissioner Felt.

560
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,559
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Bailey.

561
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:10,319
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Graph.

562
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:12,960
» Hi.
>> It's both passed unanimously. Steve, do

563
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:15,680
you want to tell them the next part of
the process?

564
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:20,720
» I believe this is going to council next
week, but I'll let you know Thursday.

565
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,920
» Okay.
>> Thank you. If not, it'll be the 1

566
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,319
October.
>> Okay. Thank you.

567
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:30,440
» Thank you. And thank you everybody for
your comments from the public.

568
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:38,280
» All right. The next item on the agenda,
we'll wait just one second here.

569
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:03,520
All right. The next item on the agenda
is another public hearing and this is to

570
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:09,839
consider the following request for
property located approximately 3426 west

571
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:14,559
5300 south. And this is also to amend
the general plan future land mass map

572
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:19,920
from single family residential to
mixeduse commercial and to amend the

573
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:25,200
zoning map from RE15 residential estates
to UC urban corridor. And as the

574
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:29,440
applicant here for this one, go ahead
and please come forward and state your

575
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:32,400
name, what city you live in, and uh why
you would like us to to make this

576
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,480
change.
>> My name is Jerry Robinson. I'm the

577
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:41,520
architect on the project. I live in
Sandy, Utah.

578
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:46,160
And I think that this zoning change will
facilitate

579
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:50,559
several of the city's goals,
specifically related to the land to the

580
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:55,839
north,
where my client is interested in

581
00:51:52,559 --> 00:52:01,839
developing that property as multifamily
housing

582
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:08,240
of 55 and older, affordable.
And uh this particular part, by the way,

583
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:14,559
does it show on there? The the the
multif family I just spoke of is north

584
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:20,079
of that. It's the green grassy stuff,
but the subject is the yellow. And our

585
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:26,480
intention is to put a pickle ball court
on that so that the people in the

586
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:30,960
multifamily can play pickle ball. We
need some additional parking stalls

587
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:36,079
and there's a trail around the
perimeter.

588
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:41,680
There will be no structures.
It'll facilitate the development of the

589
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:47,119
land to the north
and the remaining lot to the south is

590
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:53,200
unusually large. The zone requires
15,000 square ft. after

591
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:58,800
after deducting this part part from it,
the remaining lot is over 15,000. I

592
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:05,520
think it's about 15,500.
So, we comply with the original zoning,

593
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:10,960
current zoning, CCNRs.
Uh there will be no pedestrian or auto

594
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:17,839
traffic from this parcel into the
neighboring subdivision.

595
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:20,960
So, I don't see any direct impact.
If people in the neighboring subdivision

596
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:27,440
want to come here, they'll have to climb
the fence or walk around. And

597
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:31,680
I think this would having this
additional parking and the pickup ball

598
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:37,920
court will help to facilitate
some of the goals of the city and of

599
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:42,319
course the goals of my client.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, one question for

600
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:47,200
me. So you're basically going to split
the parcel in two and this area would

601
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:51,920
have a pickle ball court and things like
that. The other parcel would remain

602
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:56,000
basically as is just missing this part.
Is that correct?

603
00:53:52,960 --> 00:54:03,440
» The house remains as is. The the rear
yard is still uh quite large. The

604
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:08,720
minimum setbacks are still maintained.
So it it would have been a

605
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:12,160
an approvable lot had it been designed
this way in the beginning.

606
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:16,240
» And then the reason is just to make this
match the remaining part that will be

607
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:21,520
developed in the future. Is that
>> it's it's to help Yes. It's to match it

608
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:26,240
with the urban corridor so that we can
make the thing work better. I have to

609
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:30,880
have certain distances required for
garbage trucks to turn around, fire

610
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:34,800
trucks to turn around. I've met several
times with the fire department and this

611
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:40,319
allows for a hammerhead that we
otherwise have a difficult time creating

612
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:44,319
could be done. It's just this
facilitates the hammerhead for the fire

613
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:49,520
truck.
Anyway, no structures on the site, no

614
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:57,040
noise except the pickle ball whiffle
waffling back and forth.

615
00:54:53,280 --> 00:55:03,599
» Okay, any other questions?
This triangle will be amended to the

616
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:07,760
other parcel. Is that correct? Over by U
the Ogden clinic. Is that That's

617
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,960
» right. It's the parcel directly east of
the Ogden Clinic. It's a big vacant

618
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:15,200
field right now.
>> So, yes, it would be amended to it with

619
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:21,359
the same zone and physically attached.
>> Yeah. I went and visited the site.

620
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,800
» That's It's a good site. Yeah. Nice and
that guy's got a big backyard.

621
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,920
» Has a huge backyard.
>> Yeah.

622
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:34,319
Thank you. Um, yeah, if we have further
questions, we'll we'll let you know, but

623
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:37,599
thank you very much. Uh, Steve, um, as
mentioned, this is again an amendment to

624
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:45,040
the general plan from single family
residential to mixeduse commercial and

625
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:49,680
amending the zoning map from RE15 to
urban corridor.

626
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:54,720
Um, so kind of location, you got the
Ogden Clinic there on the corner of 52

627
00:55:51,599 --> 00:56:01,200
and 3500 West and just the east of it is
a large vacant parcel that's currently

628
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:06,079
zoned R or urban corridor. So this pro
property being zoned RE15 if it gets

629
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,799
changed just kind of correlates with it.
I'll show you the zoning maps here in a

630
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:16,880
second. So, kind of a description of
what would be subdivided,

631
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:20,640
excuse me, still meets the requirement
of 15,000 square ft for the single

632
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:26,480
family home to the south. As mentioned,
there's no drive access or any other

633
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:33,359
access to the residential roads right
there. It would only be to 52 as part of

634
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:39,119
the complex. Um, the general plan calls
this area to be mixeduse commercial. And

635
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:43,520
then the zoning map calls it to be urban
corridor. So this would just match the

636
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:49,960
general plan with the requests. So staff
would recommend forwarding a positive

637
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,960
recommendation to the council.

638
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:58,160
» Thanks Steve. Any questions?
>> So can I

639
00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:01,760
pose a scenario? What if the two owners
of these properties

640
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:07,280
decided to do a boundary line adjustment
between them and move the line? What

641
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:10,079
happens to the zoning in that scenario?
>> The property line moves but the zoning

642
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,400
remains.
>> Okay.

643
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:16,280
» So that's why they have to reszone this
portion.

644
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,280
» Okay.

645
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:25,119
» And then it would have to develop it
under that portion under RE15. So

646
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:30,000
So by connecting it to the urban
corridor, it can be developed as a

647
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:36,000
larger project.
as as he mentioned um I know there was a

648
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:40,480
question came up earlier in a discussion
item or with one of your commissioners

649
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:45,680
this parcel's too small to put a
building in because there is

650
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:50,640
requirements within this urban corridor
mixeduse zone that certain setbacks have

651
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:55,119
to be before a building can start and
then the building can only be 25 ft tall

652
00:57:53,359 --> 00:58:02,079
and after a certain distance then it can
grow. um they're very aware of that

653
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:05,920
issue. So all the buildings will be on
those two larger ones. They were just

654
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:09,680
needing extra parking and some open
space. So that's where this this thought

655
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,880
came in and the property owner to the
south was agreeing to kind of subdivide

656
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:19,079
the land to to be able to accommodate
those extra things that they needed.

657
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,200
» Perfect. All right. With no further
questions, a motion to go into public

658
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:30,160
hearing is in order.
>> Motion to move into public hearing.

659
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:35,440
» Second.
>> Have a motion, a second. All in favor?

660
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,400
» I. Any opposed? All right. That, uh,
means we're now in public hearing. And

661
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:43,359
the same rules apply. Please state your
name and address. Um, you'll be given

662
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,559
three minutes. Um, no need to restate
things that were said before to state

663
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:50,319
that you agree with it. And then just
remember to to respect the other people

664
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:54,160
in the room. So, with that, go ahead and
come forward if you would like to speak

665
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,680
to this issue. And uh more people are
welcome to to stand in line for a queue

666
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:03,839
if if you want to.
>> Hi, my name is Nikki. I literally will

667
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:10,319
be living right behind it. This is my
house right here. This pickle ball car

668
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:18,000
is going to be my backyard. This is news
to me. I am in shock right now that this

669
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:22,079
is going to be my backyard. I thought it
was just going to be town homes, which

670
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:27,599
was bad enough because I was going to
lose property or lose privacy. And now

671
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:31,760
I'm going to have a pickle ball court in
my backyard.

672
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:38,960
Here's the problem that we already have
because I live on 3,400. It is a one

673
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:46,960
strip from 56 to 5200.
So many people use my street as it is to

674
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:55,119
avoid the corner of Midland and 5600.
And so they are constantly racing down

675
00:59:49,760 --> 01:00:02,000
my street as it is. Okay. 5200 South.
They also come down on 5300 to get down

676
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:08,319
there to avoid all that congestion. So
getting on to 5200 onto Midland can be

677
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:14,000
at times a nightmare, especially during
rush hour. So when you have this tiny

678
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:19,280
little street on 5200 and you're going
to be putting all these homes, it is

679
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:25,920
going to make that traffic even worse on
my street. We have had to put out signs

680
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:30,960
that tell people to constantly slow
down. It is that bad. especially on

681
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:36,799
Sunday because everybody's late for
church. So, here's the thing, though. I

682
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:43,119
I I'm in shock. I am getting a pickle
ball in my backyard.

683
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:48,559
It was bad enough. That house before was
a drug house where they were sheltering

684
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:53,599
homeless people. We had to deal with the
rats from all the shelters that were in

685
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:58,720
that backyard
and all the activity that was going on.

686
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:05,440
Now I'm going to be having non-stop
noise in my backyard literally. And the

687
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:11,040
surveyor even came into my yard without
my permission

688
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:18,000
to and put a little This is where the
property line goes. So that was as it

689
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:22,160
is, but the traffic is already bad as it
is because of that thoroughare. And now

690
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:30,160
I'm going to have a massive noise
problem with this pickle ball.

691
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:36,480
I I I don't I have no words. I literally
just found out.

692
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:41,880
I'm sorry. I'm just This is just
unbelievable to me.

693
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,880
» Thank you.

694
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,640
» Any other comments on this one?

695
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,040
I I do have some questions.
>> Yeah. Would you please state your name

696
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:04,400
and city that you live in?
>> I'm Rebecca Klinganberg. And so this the

697
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:11,040
property that they're talking about
going into their backyard. We're we're

698
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:16,559
right next door. And so if we have a
pickle ball court that our property is

699
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:23,920
up against and and she is concerned
about the noise. I know

700
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:28,240
has anybody studied that how much noise,
how popular they are. And I mean, this

701
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:35,680
is the first I've heard about them
putting in a

702
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:40,960
um like multiple I guess use housing
right behind us in that field, but I

703
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:46,480
figured it was zoned for something cuz
it's been like that for a long time. Um

704
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:52,960
anyway, I just didn't know what kind of
noise does that create. How many pickle

705
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:58,880
bar ball courts are near single, you
know, family homes? Is there anything

706
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:05,280
like that here in Roy? Any studies done?
>> Emma Russell Park is pretty close.

707
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:10,799
» Yeah. Have you guys had complaints about
anything like that? Um, you know, is

708
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:15,920
this a pickle bar ball court that's only
be only to be used by those residents

709
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:22,000
there? And are there certain times where
they cannot use it? Um, I mean, for me,

710
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:28,079
like I
I work at 4:00 in the morning and so I

711
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:33,280
have to go to bed early and so if I'm
constantly hearing pop pop, which I and

712
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:37,520
let you let you know that when all that
stuff went on next door when that house

713
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:44,000
was a drug house and we could hear a lot
go on. Um

714
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:47,920
anyway, my our bedroom window would be
right up. It's right up against that

715
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:54,640
property and we can hear a lot. And so
that's my concern is

716
01:03:50,880 --> 01:04:00,559
the noise and the people and the day,
the time of the day, you know, what's

717
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:03,920
allowed. Um,
these are questions I have and you know,

718
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:09,440
I don't know where to look for the
answers, but if you guys have some

719
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:12,079
studies or anything done, you know,
that's comparable here in Roy, I'd like

720
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:15,079
to know.
>> Okay.

721
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:28,480
» Respond at some point.
>> Yeah, we'll give you a chance to do

722
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,480
that.

723
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:44,559
Hello, my name is David Clingingerberg.
I live here in Roy adjacent to the

724
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:49,599
property in question. Um, I currently
have a pretty nice tall brick fence that

725
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:55,440
runs across the back of my property.
This will adjust into uh basically we'll

726
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:59,599
be sharing a fence line. I'm wondering
if the aesthetic of that fence line is

727
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:05,760
going to be continued onto my pro along
side of my property. Um, that's sort of

728
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:08,400
my only concern at this point. I'm I'm a
lot less concerned than when I

729
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:12,160
originally came in thinking that it was
some sort of housing and it was going to

730
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,880
be back there. So, thank you for your
time.

731
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,880
» Thank you.

732
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,880
Hello. Uh, my name is Brian Smith and
I'm

733
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:38,240
I bought the property and it was in
rough rough shape. Um, took out some big

734
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:44,640
trees that were dangerous, pretty
expensive to do that. Took out a trailer

735
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:49,520
that was back there, four sheds that
were definitely

736
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:56,720
not savable. Who knows what was going on
those back sheds. Um, so compared to

737
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:00,480
what I took over and what's going to
happen with the property when I bought

738
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,839
the property, I wasn't thinking. I just
said, "Wow, this could be a really great

739
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:09,520
big yard." Right? And then, uh, as we
got going on it, we found out that the

740
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:13,200
people behind us were developing and
they had interest in purchasing part of

741
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:17,520
that land. We still would have a third
of an acre, which is pretty goodized

742
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:20,480
lot. And so, we thought, hey, this would
be great. We thought we could do it with

743
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:24,480
just a boundary lot adjustment like
Jason has said, but I guess some things

744
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:29,039
have happened in the city where this is
the more proper way to do it is to go

745
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:33,200
and and have it amended and have the
zoning done. Um, but that is what's

746
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:38,240
going to end up happening is this
property where that where it's

747
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:42,160
delineated will will go. It looks a
little bit more triangle on this than

748
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:49,280
when you look at the other page where it
really does show the shape of it. Um, I

749
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:54,400
I think it's going to be an upgrade to
the community and I know that I have an

750
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:59,440
interest in it. My brother and I um are
the ones that that are trying to to sell

751
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:05,599
off this back portion of the property.
So, I I think if you look down 5200,

752
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:09,440
there's a lot of parking there and
people just park right in front of this

753
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:15,440
field already. Um, I think having more
parking is going to be a good thing. Um,

754
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:19,680
uh, to be completely honest, I I think
that the pickle ball court is is one of

755
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:24,000
the ideas and maybe that's what they're
going to do there. I I'm not the

756
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:31,359
developer on it, but regardless, it's
way way way

757
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:36,480
better than what it was. And um, and the
house looks nice now. And it's it's I

758
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,640
think it's an improvement for the for
the area.

759
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:52,880
Hello. Uh Tony Blaze, Living Roy. Um I
didn't plan on getting up, but just

760
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:59,200
hearing some of the comments, I thought
I'd give some input. Um pickle ball,

761
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:06,880
it's an activity. Everybody can do it
whether you want to or not. Um the

762
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:11,280
decibel for uh pickle ball is less than
a vacuum.

763
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:16,000
So, if you look at it, um, it's between
59 and 70 dB, which is comparable to the

764
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:21,120
sound of a vacuum cleaner or normal
conversation at normal volume.

765
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:26,560
So, I'm sure this community will have
parameters on time frame, but to me, I'd

766
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:31,600
rather listen to laughter and games and
having fun versus a drugs and everything

767
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:36,480
else. And I think change is scary for
people. And I think that's the whole

768
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:44,000
problem is everybody's afraid of change.
And I think anything to do to increase

769
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:48,799
Roy as like prosperous. I live on 5600.
I know what it looks like. I know the

770
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:53,120
traffic. So to have a couple more cars
down the road, it's not a big deal. And

771
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:56,799
driving today in front of that vacant
lot, the whole street was lined with

772
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:01,679
cars.
So adding that extra parking, it's going

773
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:07,839
to take it off the roads. So to me, I
think a lot of change is scaring people.

774
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,839
And a pickle ball shouldn't be scary.

775
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,239
Thank you.

776
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:34,120
» Ryan Hunaker, 5215 South, 3,400 West.
So, um while my backyard doesn't abut

777
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:34,120
this proposed change here, um

778
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:42,000
it would be helpful at some point in
time

779
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:47,839
to hear about some of these plans um
that are coming because of that empty

780
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:53,199
lot that this is next to.
Just think golden rule. If this was in

781
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:59,600
your backyard, what would you want to
protect your property? Okay, there

782
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:03,440
already is a fence. It's a nice, you
know, big thick one for some of the

783
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:11,679
properties
whose backyard is next to the clinic.

784
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:20,480
What about those of us who have backyard
abuing this proposed

785
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:27,199
higher density residential dwelling plus
you know the pickle ball court? what has

786
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:31,600
been done to study the impact that this
proposed property and I know this is

787
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:39,760
just like a piece that's going to be
added but and maybe that's going to be

788
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:44,080
in a future council meeting but
what has been done to study the impact

789
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:49,520
of this
on the community?

790
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:55,040
What will be done to see how this will
impact our lives?

791
01:10:53,199 --> 01:11:01,280
you know, for those of us that have
kids, I mean, this doesn't seem like it

792
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:08,520
would be a bad thing necessarily, but
what has been done to study this?

793
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,520
» Thank you.

794
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:15,159
Would anybody else like to speak to this
one?

795
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,880
» Okay, a motion is in order.
>> Motion to close public hearing.

796
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,840
» Second.
>> Motion to second. All in favor?

797
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,960
» I I We're now out of public hearing.
>> Um

798
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:32,080
» either myself or applicant can
>> Yeah, let's maybe give you the first

799
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,320
opportunity and then Steve can go
through the

800
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:44,800
» just two small things. One of the people
speaking tonight talked about the

801
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:48,320
traffic going from 53rd down.
have no idea what that has to do with

802
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:54,159
anything because you can't get from our
site to that without going clear out on

803
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:59,280
to 3500 west, going south, turning left,
and then going back in. There's no

804
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:03,000
connection between this property and
neighboring traffic.

805
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,920
Am I missing something?

806
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:16,880
Oh, 5200. Okay. Well, 5200. Well, the
property is already zoned multifamily.

807
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:21,199
It's going to be multifamily
regardless what you do tonight. There's

808
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:26,159
going to be a lot more traffic on 5200
because of how it's zoned now. Urban

809
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:28,320
corridor. Have I got it right?
>> You do have it right.

810
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:32,640
» Somebody is going to build something
there in the urban corridor and it

811
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:37,840
allows multifamily up to four stories.
As terrible as that is, somebody else

812
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:43,360
got that approval long before me. Um, by
the way, we will be back talking about

813
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:48,960
specific plans and how we can be
considerate of the neighbors. I realize

814
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:53,440
that considerate is a relative word, but
we'll talk about that later. Uh, this is

815
01:12:51,520 --> 01:13:01,040
not tennis. You won't be hearing the
pingpong pingpong. This is like hitting

816
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:05,600
a um bad mitten back and forth. Think
bad mitten.

817
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:10,080
And as far as late night hours keeping
people awake,

818
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:13,280
I think that we could consider
hours,

819
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:17,360
nothing after a certain time, but that
would be at a later time once the site

820
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:20,880
plan approval is here for your
consideration.

821
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,159
» Um,
>> would this be open to the public? I

822
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:28,400
think was one of the questions that
>> it's not open to the public except to

823
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:33,600
the extent that the residents would
invite their friends to come, which I do

824
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:38,080
expect them to do. They're not going to
be hermits living in in the neighborhood

825
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:41,440
without friends. They will go to the
local church. They'll go down to the

826
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:46,239
local golf course. They'll go to the
exercise area. Sooner or later, these

827
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:51,120
new people will make friends. And I
would guess that some of them may invite

828
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:56,640
some members of the public to come and
play in the pickle ball court, although

829
01:13:53,280 --> 01:14:01,600
it's not open to the public in the usual
sense, but only by invitation.

830
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:05,760
Well, there was a comment that was made
about the substantial fence that's there

831
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:11,840
now.
Um, would it would it be reasonable to

832
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:17,120
say that you could continue with that
that fence that would kind of block some

833
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:21,920
of the noise? I you familiar with pickle
ball courts and the noises they make,

834
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:24,719
but they've talked about this center
block fence they've had there. Is that

835
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,840
is it feasible that
>> it's worth considering when we when we

836
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:30,880
get to the site plan approval?
>> Okay. I'm just saying I just don't know

837
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,320
where the
>> nobody's identified where they live.

838
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:38,880
They all are near there, but I don't
know whether it's north, southeast, or

839
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:44,000
west. So, um when we get to the site
plan approval, which we will be back to

840
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:49,360
do, then we're totally open to all of
those things, time limits, fences,

841
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:53,440
whatever.
But at this point, we're just talking

842
01:14:50,880 --> 01:15:00,679
about the zoning that would allow the
the parking and the other uses there.

843
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,679
» Okay. Thank you.

844
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:12,640
» Okay. Um, not a lot of questions, more
of just statements, but um,

845
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:18,000
if I had a large backyard and I wanted
to play pickle ball, I could put a

846
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:22,080
pickle ball court in my backyard today
or a tennis court or a basketball court

847
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,679
or anything. So, there's nothing
different that this would be than what

848
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:32,159
could be allowed on a single family
parcel today. Um, now the noise

849
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:37,040
ordinance says it you can start being
noisy at this I think it's 7:00 a.m. and

850
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:40,800
have to be done by 10 p.m. So, I assume
their hours are going to be similar to

851
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:45,280
that just like Emma Russell Park that
has pickle ball or municipal park that

852
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:50,320
has tennis courts. There's there is time
frames that the city ordinances

853
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:54,320
do not allow for
um

854
01:15:52,080 --> 01:16:00,239
decibb to go over. I can't remember what
it is, but um there is a noise ordinance

855
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:06,320
today.
Um sharing fence line will just it will

856
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:10,719
be whatever the ordinance requires. Um
there will need to be some sort of

857
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:16,640
fencing for privacy. Now, if it requires
to be brick and mortar or vinyl, that's

858
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:22,800
going to be up to the developer, but the
code, I think, just says vinyl.

859
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:27,040
Um, so it's just one of those things
that we just have to go by whatever the

860
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:30,040
the code requires.
Um,

861
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:39,600
if I remember right, he mentioned it to
be 55 and older community. That right,

862
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:45,199
Jerry?
So, not many kids. Just a

863
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:49,040
» lot of older a lot of older people like
me.

864
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:55,440
» 20% younger people are allowed in that.
>> Okay. So, it looks like 20% could be

865
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:58,560
younger, but um
you're not going to have a lot of kids

866
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:04,239
out there playing around and and goofing
around. Even if it was just a park, um I

867
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:09,040
I think it'd be
a good amenity to have. Now, maybe they

868
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:13,760
put it somewhere else because of
comments and just have parking in this

869
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:19,760
area. Um, you know, that that's up to
them when they actually start doing the

870
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:27,040
site plan and and coming before you. So,
I I think I got

871
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:32,560
most everybody's questions. So, if this
parcel were to split and be sold, right,

872
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:36,800
the whole reason we're talking about a
reszone is so we don't just have a

873
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:42,400
little orphaned triangle that's part of
a development. Could a pickle ball court

874
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:47,520
be built on that parcel as is?
>> Um, yes. Now,

875
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:52,400
» we the property can't subdivide if it's
not associated with a parcel that has

876
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:57,440
access to a public road. So if if
someone denied say it's reszone's denied

877
01:17:55,199 --> 01:18:02,480
for this parcel,
it can't just be subdivided

878
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:08,800
because it doesn't have direct access to
a to a a public road like the house or

879
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:14,159
like the development. So if the council
somehow denies everything,

880
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:18,159
the subdivision won't occur.
>> And I guess my point is it's kind of an

881
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:23,840
allowed use now. We're not really
changing the allowed use. It would just

882
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:31,040
be part of this development or
potentially remain with the other

883
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:35,320
» clarify court is about 40 by 60 ft
probably the size of

884
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:45,360
» Okay. Any other questions from any of
the commissioners?

885
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:51,520
» I have a comment. Uh pickle ball. Um
Randy Scadden probably remembers. Um the

886
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:56,880
city put one in George Wallen Park and
the neighbors came out in droves that it

887
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:03,040
was going to be way too noisy. The city
put it in. There hasn't been a complaint

888
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:10,320
since in the summertime during the heat
of the day. There's nobody on it.

889
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:16,719
And I drive past there all the time.
It's very seldom used except like at 8

890
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:21,120
in the morning until 9 and then it's
empty and maybe somebody shows up about

891
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:27,679
7 and plays till 8 and then they're
gone.

892
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:34,199
But it it is YouTube cranked it up to
where it's, you know, explosion after

893
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:34,199
explosion. It's not so.

894
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:39,480
» Okay, a couple of motions are in order.

895
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:46,719
A motion to forward a positive
recommendation to reszone property

896
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:52,719
located at 3426 West 5300 South or amend
the general plan, pardon me,

897
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:57,920
um of property located at 3426 West,
5300 South from single family

898
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:02,880
residential to commercial mixed use.
>> Second.

899
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:08,800
» Okay, this will be a roll call.
>> Okay, Commissioner Felt.

900
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:12,159
» I Commissioner Tander
I I

901
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,000
» Commissioner Young
>> I

902
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,159
» Commissioner Callie
>> I

903
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,080
» Commissioner Bailey
>> I

904
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,159
» Commissioner Reid
>> I

905
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:22,719
» Commissioner Ga Graph
>> I

906
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,719
» and I'm getting everybody's name wrong
today.

907
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,480
» Okay. A second motion is in order on
this one.

908
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:39,600
I move to amend the zoning map from RE15
residential estates to UC urban corridor

909
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:47,520
for the property located approximately
at 3426 South 5300 South and to uh

910
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,320
that does not require a positive
recommendation to the city council. It

911
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:52,880
does.
>> Yes, we recommend

912
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:57,520
» with a recommend a positive
recommendation to the city council.

913
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,239
» Second
>> motion in a second. And this is another

914
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:01,920
roll call.
>> Commissioner Callie,

915
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,440
» I.
>> Mr. Bailey,

916
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,960
» I.
>> Mr. Young,

917
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,560
» I.
>> Mr. Tanner,

918
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:07,920
» I.
>> Commissioner Felt.

919
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,520
» Hi.
>> Mr. Graph.

920
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,239
» I.
>> Commissioner Reed.

921
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:16,560
» I.
>> Just like the other one most likely be

922
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:20,960
on Thursday, but I'll let or next week,
but I'll let you know.

923
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:26,320
» Okay. Thank you. And thank you for the
public for their comments. We'll now

924
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:30,640
move on to agenda item number five,
which is also a public hearing. And this

925
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:36,560
is to consider request for a development
agreement with Cole West LLC regarding a

926
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:43,520
project located approximately 5154 South
2700 West to allow 26 single family

927
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:47,320
dwellings on similar lots. And if the
applicant could come forward

928
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,280
» and go ahead and tell us your name and
uh what city you live in and then tell

929
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:59,120
us about your your project here and what
you want in the development agreement.

930
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,080
» All righty. Uh, someone forgot their
phone here, so they might come and grab

931
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:06,080
that.
>> I'll leave that there. But my name is

932
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:13,520
Chase Peterson. I'm representing Cole
West, uh, 610 North 800 West,

933
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:16,000
Centerville. And Steve, I did send you a
quick slideshow or I can just hand you

934
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,000
these. I brought these.
>> Yeah,

935
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,199
» depending when you send it depends on
what I've got.

936
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:28,360
» A little late. My bad.
>> Oh, you're good.

937
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,360
» There's that. And then these

938
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:43,320
All righty. So, as those are going
around,

939
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,320
um,

940
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:50,480
» so the the purpose of this development
agreement and and hopefully to discuss

941
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,120
tonight is to
>> That's just extra.

942
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:58,480
» Sorry, I'll wait just a sec.
>> There's four of these and five of the

943
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:04,520
other. There's some extra site plans as
well.

944
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:04,520
Sorry, I'm a little short.

945
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:15,280
Um, thanks for thanks for bearing with
me and thank you planning commission for

946
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:20,719
being here as well as city staff and
thanks to all the residents. So the

947
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:30,080
purpose of this development agreement um
is to point out that we are actually

948
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:37,360
planning on um this 2.89 acre parcel to
be or to have 26 um single family

949
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:43,360
detached homes put on it. Uh that would
then allow this site to have a a density

950
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:48,159
of 9 acres per unit as opposed to the 12
acres per unit which is allowed in this

951
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:54,239
current zoning. Um hopeful that this
will allow more homeowners in this city.

952
01:23:51,760 --> 01:24:00,159
Um as well as helping hopefully with
more attainable housing

953
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:06,400
as as the site plan shows. Um there's 26
detached homes,

954
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:13,760
uh allowing good private space, um good
lawns, good lawn space. And then on that

955
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:20,080
third sheet in there, it shows the spec
specifications of each lot a little bit

956
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:27,040
more, which you can see is 35 wide. Um
on the smallest W is smallest lot, 35

957
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:34,159
wide, and then 87 deep.
And those last two pages will show some

958
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:42,960
of our product. Uh hopeful to bring in
an aesthetically pleasing uh home and

959
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:49,040
home looks looking homes to the area.
Our Benton home which is the product

960
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:54,960
that we would uh build here is 25 wide.
So again, hopeful to uh really establish

961
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:59,520
a a good community in which these single
family detached can allow more

962
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:03,920
homeowners in the area. And um just want
to specify it. It says so in there, but

963
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:08,719
all of these units are two-story homes
with twocar garages, uh three bed, two

964
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:14,920
and a half bath, and have a little bit
of range and square footage there, but

965
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,920
that's it for us.

966
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:21,360
» Yeah. Yeah.
My name's Doug Cherry. I'm the current

967
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:26,960
owner of this property. I've had it for
quite a few years and if it stands as

968
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:31,040
is, we could build 36, well, probably 34
town homes and I made the choice to do a

969
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:35,280
single family home and make it a little
bit nicer in that neighborhood. Then I

970
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:39,440
reached out to Cole West and this is
where we're at today. I'd like to I

971
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:43,600
guess it's a reszone
or is it is it reszone? Nope, just a

972
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:48,719
» agreement
>> change. Thank you.

973
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:53,239
» Thank you. Any questions before you guys
sit down? Any questions from any of the

974
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,239
commissioners?

975
01:25:54,719 --> 01:26:00,639
Okay, thank you. We may have some
questions in a minute. So, Steve.

976
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:04,800
» Okay. So, as mentioned, this is a
request for a development agreement.

977
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:07,920
Now, I want to stop here. The difference
between a development agreement and a

978
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:11,360
reszone
very little different. What it is is the

979
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:16,400
development agreement will just
basically say, okay, yes, we understand

980
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:23,679
there's an R3 zone there. Now, we just
want some changes in that. And in this

981
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:30,560
case, it would be lots that are smaller
for single family, detached, um, and

982
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:35,840
private roads versus public roads.
Um, that's the reason for a development

983
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:40,960
agreement. Um,
uh, the site plan kind of had up for a

984
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:46,320
bit. So, just kind of looking at it, as
Mr. Secretary said they could build 34

985
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:50,960
town homes today,
but if they developed it in a single

986
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:56,400
family residential
under the R3 zone, requires 6,000 square

987
01:26:53,840 --> 01:27:01,120
foot per lot
and on a public street.

988
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:08,080
This is where that development agreement
comes in. It's still single family homes

989
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:12,320
on smaller lots and a private street. So
again, an HOA will be taking care of the

990
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:16,320
street except for the sewer and water
lines which will be public. Most reason

991
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:20,639
for that is the state changes. If you
have an I can't remember the number of

992
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:26,800
units on a water line. They become their
own district. So we've decided as a city

993
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:31,920
not to do that. We'll always have a
public water line in there. So we are

994
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:37,199
the district and we don't have other
districts around. Plus, it makes it a

995
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:44,719
lot easier for us to maintain it and
have control over what comes in and out.

996
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:50,239
Um, currently it's 12 units per acre. I
know the developer talked about 12 acres

997
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:55,520
per unit, but it's 12 units per acre.
What they're requesting is about 13

998
01:27:52,239 --> 01:28:00,080
units per acre on the size. And at 6,000
square feet, you can get seven units per

999
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:04,960
acre. So they're they're asking for a
little bit more, but in essence, I can

1000
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:11,360
build 34 town homes. They're only
wanting 26 single family. So it's less

1001
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:16,880
than but more. So kind of in the in the
middleish area. Setbacks will be a

1002
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:23,760
little different. Um town homes, single
family on 6,000 foot lot, 25 front yard,

1003
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:30,320
eight sides, 20 rear. So, they're
looking at 20 sat back rather than 25 in

1004
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:34,960
the front, four on each of the sides.
Um, yes, it's only eight feet between

1005
01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:39,760
the two, but building code will require
firewalls, so there'll be no windows, no

1006
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:46,719
nothing. Can't reach out and touch your
neighbor if you open up a window. Rear

1007
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:51,760
yards will be a little less 12 feet. Um,
still required, can't be taller than 35

1008
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:58,000
feet to peek a roof. still require
twocar parking. That's a garage,

1009
01:28:54,239 --> 01:29:01,440
carport, or just open. Um, so all the
same requirements as a single family

1010
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:07,040
home would apply.
Um, I brought you put the the zoning map

1011
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:11,920
on there just so you can see. Um, it is
zoned R3 today. In that neighborhood,

1012
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:15,760
there's R18,
RE20,

1013
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:21,280
light manufacturing.
So, it's it's a mlange of everything in

1014
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:26,719
the neighborhood. So, um, will it be out
of place? Not really. Everything's out

1015
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:30,639
of place already. Um, this will just
kind of help with if you do single

1016
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:35,600
family homes, just continue with what it
is. They're just on smaller lots. Um,

1017
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:41,760
you project that we've got already
similar to this is the

1018
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:47,280
whatever gate it's called, Highgate,
next to the Bridge Academy on Midland.

1019
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:52,159
Those are on about 3200 square foot lots
and these ones are about 3100. So

1020
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:59,280
similar type of project.
Sounds like similar type of housing too.

1021
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:06,520
» So staff would recommend forwarding a
positive recommendation to the council.

1022
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:06,520
» Thanks Steve. Any questions for Steve?

1023
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:15,120
» So we have the one access road. The
second one um blocks instead of going.

1024
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:20,000
Is that is there a code reason for that?
>> Approving site plan just

1025
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:23,520
» thank you. I retract my question as we
are approving site plan.

1026
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:28,000
» Reason why
um you have 5200 south right there and

1027
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:32,320
there needs to be a minimum of 100 ft
between that intersection and where

1028
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:35,199
another road can come in and out. So
that's why it's been moved to the north.

1029
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:38,080
» Perfect. Thank you.
>> That's that's why this other one won't

1030
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:41,280
go through.
>> But it still would meet fire because

1031
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:44,960
they have a hammerhead to get in and
out. Got it.

1032
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:49,760
» And again, I think it's 30 or 32 homes
before it has to be a second access or

1033
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,560
homes are sprinkled.
>> So,

1034
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,080
» thank you.
>> But that's a fire department question.

1035
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:59,560
We'll refer to the fire department to
answer that later.

1036
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:05,960
» This is all conceptual still.

1037
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:11,840
» Okay, I think we're ready to move into a
public hearing if there's a motion.

1038
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:15,000
motion to go into public hearing.
>> I'll second.

1039
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:20,000
» We're going to go with Anna.
>> Okay,

1040
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:22,960
» Commissioner Graph had that one.
>> All right, so we have a motion to go

1041
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:26,320
into public hearing and a second. All in
favor?

1042
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:30,639
» I. Any opposed? All right, we are now in
public hearing and I think by now you

1043
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:34,480
all know the the drill. So, please come
on up, state your name and address and

1044
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:38,880
if more than one of you want to comment,
please let's make a queue and keep

1045
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:44,120
moving here.
Uh, my name is Kevin Homer and I live

1046
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,120
here in Roy.

1047
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:50,080
As I look at the little bit of
information that's been provided to the

1048
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:55,679
public in the 30 seconds that we've had
to look at it on on the monitors and the

1049
01:31:52,880 --> 01:32:00,360
five minutes or so that you all have had
to look at this development pro

1050
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,360
proposal,

1051
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:06,960
I think that there's probably some merit
to this.

1052
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:11,120
One thing that I'm concerned about is
the information provided to the public

1053
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:15,040
has not even happened until we saw it on
this screen. And you as planning

1054
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:20,000
commission members didn't even see it
until five minutes be, you know, when we

1055
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:24,480
started five minutes ago.
For me, I think it's rather insulting to

1056
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:30,239
the commission and insulting to the
public to not have access to this

1057
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:34,159
information. This is a public hearing.
there's very little chance that we're

1058
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:37,679
going to provide valuable feedback
because we didn't have a chance to look

1059
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:43,360
at this.
I appreciate the re recommendation of

1060
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:49,520
the staff to go go along with this, but
I would recommend that you table this

1061
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:54,960
until you as a commission and the public
have had a chance to actually review the

1062
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:58,199
development proposal. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1063
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:08,560
Good evening. Uh my name is Tom Spencer.
I live at uh 5085 South, 2700 North,

1064
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:15,440
just north of this property. Um I have a
few concerns. The first one, um this has

1065
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:22,239
been a historical problem where a uh
proposal was uh put forward, was denied,

1066
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:28,000
was come back. Um the initial one was
for an R R13. um came back and denied uh

1067
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:33,600
within the neighborhood. We kind of
comprom or we accepted that an R16 would

1068
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:37,840
be acceptable and that was approved.
Later on, it was then approved again for

1069
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:43,440
an R13. Um again, we're now kind of
following that same trend. It was uh you

1070
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:49,199
could say it was a uh 20 houses could be
fit and now we're asking for 26. So

1071
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:55,040
again, we're taking that uh approval or
uh how you want to say standard and then

1072
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:59,840
asking for more. Um
our my biggest concern, however, is uh

1073
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:04,800
for fire. Um as you know, we've had a
number of fires along the rails uh this

1074
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,560
summer. Um we've had five in Weber
County alone. Um six if you want to

1075
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:12,239
count the one just over the border in in
Clinton. We've had three houses here in

1076
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:17,840
this city that were destroyed and one
fatality in in uh uh Washington Terrace.

1077
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:21,840
Um
talking on on the social media groups,

1078
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:25,840
um it was discussed that Union Pacific
will not trim the grass along the

1079
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:30,719
trails. Um they'll only spray, which of
course we know just creates more dead

1080
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:34,639
grass. Um and then has actually
threatened homeowners with trespassing

1081
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:39,280
charges if uh they went out to try to
protect their own properties. Begs the

1082
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:43,199
question, is $1,000 or whatever the fine
is for trespassing worth your house? But

1083
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:47,199
that's neither here nor there. Um the
three homes that were lost um I looked

1084
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:52,320
on Google Earth had about a 50 to 75
foot standoff from the property line. Um

1085
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:55,920
this proposal gets a 12T standoff to the
property line and is only 8 ft between

1086
01:34:54,320 --> 01:35:00,080
the houses. I understand you mentioned
the uh the the firewalls, but when

1087
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:05,199
you're talking that close, if you get a
fire going that quick, it's going to be

1088
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,400
uh going to be um pretty uh pretty
going. Um, I I actually would like to

1089
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:15,520
hear the fire fire department's comment,
especially if they have tabletoppped an

1090
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:19,120
a tabletop exercise on this scenario on
if a fire got going on the tracks and

1091
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:25,199
got going to the houses even with
station 32 just down uh 5200,

1092
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:30,960
how many houses would be expected to to
be lost. and with that number is to know

1093
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:34,639
what this planning council planning
commission excuse me and the city

1094
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:41,280
council what that number is acceptable
to you. Um, additionally, um, the the

1095
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:46,960
home itself has a lot of history. It's
it is currently the only the oldest

1096
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:52,080
house on 2700 between 6,000 and00. Um,
the number two is actually our house.

1097
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:54,960
Um, also during the uh the Weber County
Heritage Foundation and at least one

1098
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:59,520
history of Roy Book has mentioned the
the infirmary had a cemeteries. Um, I

1099
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:03,280
would like uh to know if there's
possible to do a survey so that way we

1100
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:06,880
can take care of any former Roy
residents that are actually could

1101
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,280
possibly be there to make sure they are
reentered somewhere else with honor.

1102
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:12,440
Thank you.
>> Thank you,

1103
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:26,400
» Dustin David. Oh jeez. Dustin Davis, Roy
City. Uh my home is the one right south

1104
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:35,360
of it. So I'm potentially looking at
eight new neighbors. Uh it brings to

1105
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:41,120
mind privacy. Uh it's a lot of potential
neighbors that are going to have an

1106
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:47,679
opinion on uh the state of my property.
and uh I maintain and manage the

1107
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:53,119
easement there for Weber Basin Water and
a portion of UTA's property in the back.

1108
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:58,960
Am I going to be in conflict with these
new neighbors maintaining that property?

1109
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:04,639
So, I'm
just wondering how that's going to go

1110
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:07,800
down pertaining to that.
>> Thank you.

1111
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,920
Would

1112
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,800
anybody else like to speak to this?

1113
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:35,600
» My name is David Tracy. I live across
the street from Doug's property. And

1114
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:39,920
Doug's a good guy. And you know, I
really like him and he's been a good

1115
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:45,600
neighbor. I want to disagree with him a
little bit, but I want it to be civil.

1116
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:51,679
Uh
the thing that bothers me is that

1117
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:56,960
uh down on
56,

1118
01:37:54,400 --> 01:38:05,920
you just allowed I can't remember how
many more uh single family homes down

1119
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:11,520
there. There's another project that's
probably in the works on 4,800

1120
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:16,880
on the other end.
And then there's uh Doug's property and

1121
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:24,800
there's actually another property that's
like uh I think it's about three acres

1122
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:34,320
across the street and further north. The
people that have bought houses

1123
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:40,800
along 2700 from 56 to 48 wanted an area
that had a big backyard,

1124
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:46,960
which the houses on the west side have
very large backyards. They wanted to be

1125
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:54,639
able to have a garden or have an animal
or just have a nice place to grow some

1126
01:38:50,320 --> 01:39:01,280
trees and and sit out and enjoy the
the backyard. That's all going away with

1127
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:06,639
this high density.
And so when

1128
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:13,280
you approve more and more and more high
density in Roy City, it just takes away

1129
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:20,239
from the
life of the residents that moved here

1130
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:23,840
because they didn't want to be in high
density. If they wanted to be in high

1131
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:30,639
density, they probably would be living
in somewhere in Ogden or Salt Lake. See

1132
01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:37,520
what I mean?
So that's the one objection I have to

1133
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:44,080
all this high density that's coming into
Roy because with the high density

1134
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:50,000
there's also you know uh cost to police
cost to utilities cost to snow removals

1135
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:53,679
cost to the city has more and more and
more costs when they have more and more

1136
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:59,440
residents
and I know that you want a better tax

1137
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:04,480
base but you know sometimes if you have
to put in a new sewer line, it takes you

1138
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:09,520
a long time to catch up to that uh tax
base. See what I'm saying? So, it's not

1139
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:15,040
a free ride for the city. They have a
lot of expenses when they put in more

1140
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:20,400
structures.
So, the only other thing that I would

1141
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:28,800
like to ask Doug is uh about two or
three months ago, uh a big uh track hole

1142
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:33,600
came in on a semi and parked in front of
the property and it went down to the

1143
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:40,159
south.
>> That's your time. If you

1144
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:44,400
» Let's see. That would be the southwest
corner.

1145
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:50,320
Let's see. No, the southeast corner of
the property. And it's the the question

1146
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:57,920
has never been solved whether there's
graves in that corner of the property.

1147
01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:05,760
It's come up before in in other uh
hearings and I think Doug has said that

1148
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:11,600
there wasn't graves there. But uh
I think you know the city should find

1149
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:15,119
out one way or the other if there if
there are graves in that corner of the

1150
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:20,159
property because
>> the

1151
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:24,000
rumor or or what the story that we hear
is

1152
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:30,080
» they like if you could wrap up.
>> Okay. like at the the turn of the

1153
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:34,400
century when the hospital was there, if
a person died and there was nobody to

1154
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:38,560
claim their body, they just moved the
bodies over there and buried them. So,

1155
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:44,280
we don't know for sure, but it would be
nice to find out. Thank you.

1156
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,280
» Thank you.

1157
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:54,440
» Comment.
>> We'll give you a chance to respond

1158
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,440
afterward. So,

1159
01:41:54,560 --> 01:42:04,080
I'm um Bill Underwood. I live on the
north side of that property and I'm

1160
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:08,719
concerned about um the value of my
property and it what how this

1161
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:14,239
development will affect that when I have
five new backdoor sideyard neighbors.

1162
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:19,040
I understand that you can have two dogs
per house.

1163
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:22,960
So, I might be introduced to 10 new
neighborhood dogs.

1164
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:28,159
And um so I'm concerned about the value
of my property and I'm also concerned

1165
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:35,119
about my lifestyle
that might be affected by having five

1166
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:40,719
new neighbors next door. Um I appreciate
trying to make the most out of that

1167
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:45,600
property, but those um houses will only
be 20 feet from my property line now. So

1168
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:48,840
anyway, thank you.
>> Thank you.

1169
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:55,400
Right. Any anybody else?

1170
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:59,440
» Okay.
>> Motion to go out of public hearing.

1171
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:03,360
» Seconded.
>> Motion and a second. We are now out of

1172
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:07,119
public hearing.
>> Oh, sorry. We need to vote on it. Yes.

1173
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:10,719
All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed?

1174
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:15,679
» All right. Passes unanimously. We're now
out of public hearing. Um, Mr. Terry, go

1175
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:20,080
ahead and come back up.
Uh, first of all, I think it's been well

1176
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:25,360
documented in books about Roy that there
was no graves on that property.

1177
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:29,920
My grandfather probably purchased that
property around 1930

1178
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:33,840
and I've talked to my dad quite a few
times about it and there's never been an

1179
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:38,239
incident where there's a grave on that
property. There's prop there's graves

1180
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:41,520
definitely to the south of the property
where our neighbor lives behind his

1181
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:45,600
house.
And as far as the high density where I'm

1182
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:49,280
trying to lower the density, you know,
if this gets voted no, then we're going

1183
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:56,119
to come right back. We only need
approval. We'll do town homes in there.

1184
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:56,119
And I'm trying to be a good neighbor.

1185
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:06,560
» Yeah. Just Well, Doug just said it, but
the the zoning does allow that 34 or 36

1186
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:11,760
units, and we are trying to appease the
the um feelings and and what the

1187
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:15,840
neighbors want. Again, just want to
thank all the residents for their

1188
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:22,360
comments as we are trying to um
hopefully make this a great development

1189
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:22,360
to be a neighbor to. Thank you.

1190
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,159
» All right, Steve.

1191
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:38,639
» Um it was commented about you not having
access to the information that was

1192
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:44,080
presented. Um, the only thing that's
being asked for is smaller lots, 26

1193
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:48,920
units, and setbacks. And that was all
part of your packet.

1194
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,920
» Um,

1195
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:53,280
page
12 and 13.

1196
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:56,800
» We did have the packet on Friday from
Steve with the information on there. I'm

1197
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:59,760
not sure what was available to the
public.

1198
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:04,639
» That package is available to the public
when it's put on the the public website.

1199
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:06,800
So, as for the types of homes, it could
be

1200
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:08,480
» when was that put on the public notice
website? Do you know off the top of your

1201
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:13,119
head?
>> As a notice or as a

1202
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:16,480
agenda?
>> So, we got the packets on Friday. I'm

1203
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:19,600
just trying to see when that was.
>> The agenda goes on the public website

1204
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:24,320
that same Friday. Okay.
>> The packet goes on the public our

1205
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:26,719
website on Friday.
>> Okay.

1206
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:31,280
» And that information disseminated to
several different community pages. you

1207
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,760
know that I I don't know because I don't
do that.

1208
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:35,840
» Well, I I I do know that we have someone
that's very diligent to make sure that

1209
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:39,679
that trans.
>> But as for the types of homes that could

1210
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:44,239
be there, that's not what's being asked
for in the development agreement. So,

1211
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:48,320
that's just extra information of these
are the types of homes that they have

1212
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:54,960
built previously on these type of of
lots. So, it's not they're not asking

1213
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:59,679
you to approve these homes. It's does 26
single family homes on smaller lots on a

1214
01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:06,400
private street in this area make sense
or not with those setbacks. So those are

1215
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:10,639
things you need to look at.
They can change the type of home if they

1216
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:15,600
want.
Can't go over 35 ft. Still has to have

1217
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:19,920
twocar parking. Still has to meet the
setbacks as as designed in the

1218
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:24,719
development agreement. So there there
are things that are already set in

1219
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:30,480
place. They're just asking for an
increase in single family homes on small

1220
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:35,520
smaller lots on a private street.
Um, as mentioned in my presentation and

1221
01:46:33,679 --> 01:46:40,639
um by the property owner, they could
build 34 town homes today.

1222
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:49,440
They don't want to. They want to do
single family, drop it down to 26. Um,

1223
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:53,440
so they they're they're looking for
some stuff to get some stuff. They'll

1224
01:46:51,679 --> 01:47:01,119
give you single family on smaller lots
is what they're they're looking for. Um,

1225
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:06,880
as a historic preservationist in the
past, I always like older homes, but

1226
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:12,159
there's nothing unless the city's
willing to to buy it and preserve it or

1227
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:16,560
the historic society to buy it and
preserve it, there's nothing that says

1228
01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:22,159
homes can't be demolished. Um, in
Clinton City, the oldest home, there is

1229
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:26,960
now a Holiday Oil
They took that down without even

1230
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:32,560
thinking twice. And it had seven pitches
at different pitch levels. And I mean,

1231
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:37,440
it it was a beautiful home, but unless
someone's willing to to preserve it and

1232
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:42,400
put on the National Register or create a
local register, there's really nothing

1233
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:46,400
there that we can do about the the part
of it. Now, does that mean we couldn't

1234
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:51,679
put a plaque in there? Very similar.
That's on 2700 West and 6,000 South.

1235
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:55,600
There's placards that are there talking
about what used to be there and what I

1236
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:59,600
mean those are things that we could put
on there and even have a picture of the

1237
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:05,880
old house as part of it still
recognizing the historic aspect of it.

1238
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,880
Um

1239
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:13,199
because it's not part of it. I mean this
the site plan may come back with a a

1240
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:17,760
sound wall between the railroad and this
that's you know 10t tall and made of

1241
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:23,119
concrete which will help with the fire.
That's not part of this review. nor nor

1242
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:26,320
a requirement. Um they could leave it
open very similar to everybody's

1243
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:31,760
backyards that are just chain link
fences. So um if a fire is to come out,

1244
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:36,239
I don't think that this will be the only
project they'll have issues. It'll be

1245
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:42,719
everybody will have those concerns and
problems.

1246
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:47,040
Um they usually do do an alta survey to
find out what's there. Um, if there are

1247
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:50,719
concerns of graves, those are things
that, you know, the the property owner

1248
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:55,520
will have to divulge if there are. Um,
he's already mentioned that there are

1249
01:48:52,000 --> 01:49:02,159
not. Uh, the number of dogs. I mean, not
everybody has dogs. Yes, you could have

1250
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:06,880
up to 10, but you may only have two.
It's hard to say, but if I have 34 town

1251
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:13,119
homes, there's going to be a lot more.
So, I I think that's really all the

1252
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:15,040
questions unless you have a a couple
that I didn't

1253
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:19,360
» the value.
>> Um, that's always hard to say because

1254
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:23,440
usually it's like for like. So, if this
is a threebedroom, twocar and they've

1255
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:27,280
got a five bedroomedroom, three bath,
twocar, they're they're not going to be

1256
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:32,639
appraised.
No appraiser is going to make that a

1257
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:38,639
comp to to what they have. So value is
always hard to to figure out will it or

1258
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:47,400
will it not? No, it shouldn't because
it's not the same comparable aspect, but

1259
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:47,400
I'm not an appraiser either.

1260
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:52,040
It's it's an unknown.

1261
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:57,320
» Okay. Any further questions or comments?

1262
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:05,679
» I've also got some background working
with um historical groups and such. And

1263
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:10,000
um
so we don't have anything

1264
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:14,480
in our ordinances or anything like that
to provide an avenue for preservation

1265
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:20,639
for something like this because nobody
has come in and already identified and

1266
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:26,480
had those those homes registered.
>> No. And at the same Oh,

1267
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:32,000
» I I'll kind of There is no city
or landmarks commission or north city

1268
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:35,760
code for historic preservation. Doesn't
mean it couldn't be put on the national

1269
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:40,880
register for historic places, but that
only comes into effect if they want to

1270
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:43,760
rehab it for tax credits.
>> Even in the National Register, it can

1271
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,960
still be torn down.
>> Yes.

1272
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:52,080
» Nothing stops it.
>> Thank you. That was actually where I was

1273
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:56,639
heading. Okay. Thank you. Um,
and then also with that, as far as the

1274
01:50:54,560 --> 01:51:02,560
questions about whether or not there may
be um, residents entered on the

1275
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:09,760
property, we also don't have any kind of
ordinance or any kind of avenue to have

1276
01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:14,320
that as part of the process to to check
any I'm not even sure what that would be

1277
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:19,440
called
>> from the graves. Yes. or what he

1278
01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:22,800
» a way to evaluate a property to see if
at some point in the past there had been

1279
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:26,320
» I yeah I don't know
>> do we have anything

1280
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:31,119
» I mean other than an alta survey that
just kind of shows you what's there

1281
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:34,800
» I mean it's going to have to go off of
historic knowledge and if someone

1282
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:38,880
remembers that there was something
somewhere

1283
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:43,440
you know it sounds like it's more of the
southwest corner is in question than the

1284
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:48,480
rest of the property but uh property's
owner saying there is And

1285
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:53,840
if there's still a question, then the
developer will have to kind of look at

1286
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:59,360
it and tread lightly as they dig. I It's
hard to say when there's no record of

1287
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:03,520
it. There's no record of it.
>> And we don't have any ordinance or code

1288
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:05,360
to fall back on as this is how we handle
it. Okay.

1289
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:10,679
» Not unless you're in a grave site that's
been dedicated.

1290
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:10,679
» Thank you.

1291
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:18,360
Any other questions?

1292
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:25,679
And I've thought long and hard about
this one and it really is a question of

1293
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:30,400
is single family homes at a higher
density

1294
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:34,080
or leaving it as it is or town homes.
And and I think if we leave it like it

1295
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:39,679
is, it's probably town homes. And I'm
just thinking out loud here, but I've

1296
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:44,000
kind of wrestled with that. And
I think that's kind of the choice I have

1297
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:49,560
to make tonight is really do I think
single family homes here are the best or

1298
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,560
the the town homes.

1299
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:56,760
So a motion's in order.

1300
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:05,840
A motion to send a favorable
recommendation or a positive

1301
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:11,760
recommendation to the city council for
the proposed development agreement for

1302
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:15,599
the property located at 5154 South 2700
West.

1303
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:18,480
» Okay. So, favorable recommendation for
the development agreement. Is there a

1304
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,360
second?
>> Seconded.

1305
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:23,360
» Have a second. And this will be a roll
call.

1306
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,880
» Commissioner Reid,
>> I.

1307
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,719
» Commissioner Felt,
>> I.

1308
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:28,480
» Commissioner Young,
>> I.

1309
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:30,719
» Commissioner Callie,
>> I. Commissioner Graph

1310
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:32,159
» I.
>> Commissioner Tanner

1311
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:36,280
» I.
>> Commissioner Bailey

1312
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:36,280
» I.

1313
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:44,159
» This will most likely be on the October
1st meeting,

1314
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:48,199
the first Tuesday,
but I'll let you know for sure.

1315
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:55,679
Okay. We are now on to our last public
hearing of the night uh to consider

1316
01:53:53,199 --> 01:54:00,239
amending title 10 zoning regulations
amending chapter 10 general property

1317
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:05,199
development standards, chapter 17 table
of uses and chapter 19 off- streetet

1318
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:11,119
parking and loading regarding detached
access accessory dwelling units per

1319
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:14,119
SB284 from this past legislative
session.

1320
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:24,000
As if you haven't already heard about
this one a few half dozen times already.

1321
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:30,239
So in our conversations and as mentioned
this comes from Senate Bill 284 that

1322
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:35,840
requires all cities to allow for
detached accessory dwelling units on all

1323
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:44,000
properties that are 11,000 square feet
or more. Um it goes into effect October

1324
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:49,440
1st of this year. So regardless if we if
this passes by that time or not,

1325
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:55,040
I already know of three people chomping
in the bits to make application for it.

1326
01:54:52,159 --> 01:55:01,920
So the question comes in, do we want to
have those developed under what we want

1327
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:06,080
or what the state allows? There are some
differences, but for the most part,

1328
01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:12,400
we're meeting all state aspects with
what we've got written here. So

1329
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:16,400
here in table 17, which is the table of
uses,

1330
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:20,400
here we'd show that all zones except for
the

1331
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:27,440
mobile home parks
can have this um allowed on 11,000 foot

1332
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:34,400
lots or larger. Um additional parking
spaces per table 19-1, which we'll get

1333
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:39,760
to, must be occy occupied at least one
of those units by the primary resident.

1334
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:47,360
So, it can't be two rentals. Property
owner must live there. Um, only one

1335
01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:52,320
detached ADU per property. Um, must be
rented for consecutive 90 consecutive

1336
01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:56,880
days or longer. Must obtain a rental
license through the city. Um, then here

1337
01:55:54,880 --> 01:56:03,360
I've got some other standards that they
need to look at. These are dealing with

1338
01:55:59,599 --> 01:56:07,679
detach or just accessory dwelling
accessory units.

1339
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:14,719
accessory dwelling, whatever. Anyway,
sep yeah accessory units that will get

1340
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:18,639
part of it, especially nine. Um,
and then a notice will be recorded to

1341
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:22,239
the county. Now, granted, that notice
could be the building permit because

1342
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:26,880
they'll have to get a building permit to
build one or a building permit to

1343
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:32,159
convert one or I just put one on there
as well that this is a legal unit, can

1344
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:38,159
be rented as long as the property owner
lives there.

1345
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:42,800
other aspects in 10-28 accessory
buildings. That's the word I was looking

1346
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:47,520
for, buildings. Um because one of the
aspects that the state wanted is if you

1347
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:52,000
already have a accessory building and
someone wants to convert it to a

1348
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:58,560
dwelling, cities must allow for that to
occur. Um now that existing building

1349
01:56:55,599 --> 01:57:02,639
that was built legally had to have had a
permit

1350
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:07,760
as long as it met the setbacks at the
time

1351
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:12,000
can be converted. Now years ago it was
only a two-foot setback rather than

1352
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:17,520
today's code of three-foot setback. So
again if it was built legally they can

1353
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:22,960
convert it. Building code was will
require certain things to occur but

1354
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:26,639
we're not saying you can't do that. Now,
it doesn't mean you couldn't have an

1355
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:31,440
accessory building and an accessory
dwelling unit on the property, different

1356
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:38,080
different buildings.
Um, so this kind of goes through where

1357
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:42,159
it can be. Um, can be within the public
utility easement, cannot be in the front

1358
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:48,000
or side yard. So, we're making sure that
it's in the backyard. Um, B, it talks

1359
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:51,280
about 10 feet or more behind the primary
than it could be within 3 ft of property

1360
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:56,560
lines.
um consistent with the design consistent

1361
01:57:55,040 --> 01:58:00,880
design design consistently with the
home. So you don't want some big metal

1362
01:57:58,719 --> 01:58:04,400
structure that's on a nice brick
building. At least have some

1363
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:09,119
consistency. Now I'm not looking for
brick for brick, but colors, you know,

1364
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:13,760
if you want to met a building, at least
paint it the same color as the house. So

1365
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:19,840
there is con consistency.
Um

1366
01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:23,920
yeah, utilities has to you can't have
separate utilities for all of them. They

1367
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:29,679
have to go through the main building or
main homes utilities, water, sewer,

1368
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:36,400
electrical. Um that's same with the
existing accessory buildings. Anyway,

1369
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:41,840
um, now number 14, we're scratching out
cuz while we're reviewing this section,

1370
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:47,840
the question comes, why can't I have an
an attached to my house that's bigger

1371
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:52,000
than the house?
If it meets the setbacks, do I care if

1372
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:57,679
your new addition is two and a half
stories and your old house is only one?

1373
01:58:55,119 --> 01:59:02,239
I shouldn't care as long as it meets
building height setbacks and meets

1374
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:06,480
building code. So, this we'll just take
out. Has nothing to do with the detach,

1375
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:12,560
but it doesn't make sense to leave it
in. Doesn't make sense to me, nor did it

1376
01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:16,400
to any of you when we're first talking
about it.

1377
01:59:14,639 --> 01:59:20,320
Um, I'd mentioned that there was two
sections of the code to reference the

1378
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:26,159
101029.
Um, we're not changing anything in it.

1379
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:30,639
Again, it just goes over location, size.
Um, so it can't be bigger than,250

1380
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:35,920
square feet if you're in most of the R1
zones or no more than 25% of the rear

1381
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:41,440
yard can be taken up in impervious
surfaces. So those things still will

1382
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:47,920
apply to this.
Um, parking wise, um, this is more of a

1383
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:54,000
state requirement. So if it's 649 square
feet or less, we can only require one

1384
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:58,159
additional parking space. If it's 650
square feet or larger, we can require

1385
01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:01,760
two.
And that's what we've got written down

1386
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:06,159
here is is one and two. Now, these
spaces cannot be within the required

1387
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:14,159
front yard setback. So, they got to be
in the side or in the rear.

1388
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:18,960
So, after further review, again, staff
would recommend forwarding a positive

1389
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:26,440
recommendation to the city council of
the amendment as written.

1390
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:26,440
Okay. Any questions for Steve?

1391
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:34,719
If not, a motion for public uh hearing
is is in order.

1392
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:36,880
» Motion to go into public hearing.
>> We have a second.

1393
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:42,480
» Second.
>> Have a motion to second. All in favor?

1394
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:47,679
» I. Any opposed? All right. We are now in
public hearing. Um same drill after the

1395
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:51,920
being the fourth one. I think everybody
knows the drill, but um is there anybody

1396
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:58,760
here who would like to speak to this
change?

1397
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:58,760
Keep looking at you, Mr. Homer.

1398
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:04,239
» Okay. All right. I want to make sure
everybody has a chance. So, last last

1399
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:08,880
call. All right.
>> Motion to go out of public hearing.

1400
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:12,480
» We have a motion and a second. All in
favor of Bailey. Sorry, Commissioner

1401
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:16,960
Bailey.
>> Second it. All in favor? I.

1402
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:23,280
» Any opposed?
Okay, we are now out of public comment.

1403
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:26,280
Any further discussion or a motion is in
order.

1404
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:33,119
I know we've had a lot of work sessions.
So,

1405
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:38,000
» yeah, killed this one. Make a motion
that we recommend a forward a positive

1406
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:43,920
recommendation to city council regarding
the proposed amendments to title seven

1407
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:50,560
zoning regulations amending blah blah
blah. Title 10. Sorry,

1408
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:53,040
looked like a seven for a second. Um,
the Z and the 10 got there.

1409
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:57,920
» Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. Um,

1410
02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:01,760
chapter 10, General Property Development
Standards.

1411
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:05,840
Um,
28, accessory building and accessory

1412
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:13,599
uses, general requirements. Chapter 17,
table of uses. Table 171, table of

1413
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:19,360
allowed uses, residential zoning
districts. Chapter 19, off- streetet

1414
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:24,880
parking and loading. Eight, required
off- streetet parking. Table 19,

1415
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:27,119
required off- streetet parking.
>> That was a mouthful.

1416
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:30,239
» Thanks for that.
>> Holy crap.

1417
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:33,920
» We have a motion. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

1418
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:37,280
» Okay. Okay. And this is another roll
call vote.

1419
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:38,800
» Commissioner Bailey,
>> I.

1420
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:40,159
» Mr. Reid,
>> I.

1421
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:41,840
» Commissioner Felt,
>> I.

1422
02:02:40,639 --> 02:02:43,280
» Commissioner Young,
>> I.

1423
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:45,040
» Commissioner Callie,
>> I.

1424
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,960
» Commissioner Graph,
>> I.

1425
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:51,040
» Commissioner Tanner,
>> I.

1426
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:55,840
» This is the only one I know for sure
will be on next week.

1427
02:02:53,920 --> 02:03:00,159
» Because if not, then
>> it doesn't won't get passed in time.

1428
02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:04,800
» There you go. Um, we'll now move on to
item number seven, which is a request

1429
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:11,199
for site plan approval for Ironwood
Station located approximately 2275 West,

1430
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:14,599
3775 South. And is the applicant here
for that one?

1431
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:21,000
The Ironwood Station.

1432
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:28,639
» I'm fine with tableling it if the
applicant's not here. You need a motion

1433
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:33,119
for that.
>> Well, do you want me to kind of explain

1434
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:35,199
it in aspect? Then you can table it or
>> no

1435
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,239
» table right off the bat. It's up to you.
>> Table it.

1436
02:03:35,679 --> 02:03:41,199
» Just table.
>> My opinion,

1437
02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:45,599
» right?
>> Let's see what's there because if there

1438
02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:49,280
is nothing
I mean historically, we want the

1439
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:52,480
applicants to be here.
>> Okay.

1440
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:56,880
» So, is this a site plan?
>> You know what? Let's sorry, let's do

1441
02:03:54,400 --> 02:04:00,560
let's do this. I make a I can't make a
motion, but I suggest maybe we move to

1442
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:04,639
the rest of the agenda because we're
supposed to finish our meetings by 8:30

1443
02:04:02,719 --> 02:04:08,400
and then let's address this at the end
of the meeting so that those other ones

1444
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:11,679
that are here.
>> So, motion to move this agenda item to

1445
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,520
the end of the list.
>> Motion to move on to the next agenda

1446
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:15,760
item.
>> Agenda item.

1447
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:19,920
» Second.
>> Okay. Motion a second to move forward.

1448
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:24,800
All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? Okay. We'll move on to

1449
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:30,159
agenda item number eight, which is a
request for site plan approval for park

1450
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:36,040
43 phase 2 located approximately 4375
west 5460

1451
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:36,040
South

1452
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:41,480
to it so you guys can get done quick.
That work

1453
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,920
um

1454
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:54,960
in um with Advanced Homes. Um we're
excited to present this to you. Request

1455
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:59,760
for site plan approval um to expand on a
current development that we just

1456
02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:04,320
finished uh off of 4300 West. Uh this is
to utilize portion of property on the

1457
02:05:01,599 --> 02:05:08,639
west side of Howard Slooh.
Um providing access for three single

1458
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:14,719
family homes to be added to the existing
HOA

1459
02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:19,920
um uh via a p private road. Uh we spent
quite a bit of time coordinating with

1460
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:24,719
Hooper City uh to uh verify access
because the private lane access is off

1461
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:29,760
of 4375
uh currently abuts the city boundary. Uh

1462
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:35,199
so as you can see uh looking to access
off of the circle with a driveway for a

1463
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:39,679
private lane um to construct three
single family homes. Uh the first

1464
02:05:37,679 --> 02:05:45,520
picture you have in there is schematic
of of what we're tenatively looking at.

1465
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:49,840
The second is what is currently built uh
in the town homes on the east side of

1466
02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:54,719
the Slooh. Our intention is to maintain
general architectural principles from

1467
02:05:52,320 --> 02:06:00,560
the town homes uh to continue the
property. Uh we reviewed the site uh

1468
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:04,239
working with Steve to identify uh open
space requirements to ensure that the

1469
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:10,480
overall development maintains the open
space requirements of the current zoning

1470
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:14,400
as well as the open usable space. Um
it'll also incorporate access to the

1471
02:06:12,639 --> 02:06:21,920
trail system that connects throughout
the city along Howard Slooh. Um and

1472
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:26,159
we'll access water through uh Hooper uh
water improvement district. We have uh

1473
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:32,960
will serve letters for both them as well
as Roy in the process of Roy Water

1474
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:36,079
conservancy district for secondary. Um,
this is consistent with what was

1475
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:40,400
approved when the original development
was approved for the town homes uh on

1476
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:44,880
the east side of the Slooh. Provides a
good buffer between the multifamily and

1477
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:50,960
the single family uh development as well
as allowing us to uh try and construct

1478
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:54,199
somewhat affordable homes uh within Roy
City limits.

1479
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:58,119
» Thank you. Any questions?

1480
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:04,880
Okay, we may have some questions in a
minute, but uh Steve,

1481
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:11,199
» um as mentioned, this is a phase two of
Park 43. They're off of 4300 West and

1482
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:18,079
about 5460 south. Um just kind of give
you geog geographic holiday oil in the

1483
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:23,199
northwest corner of 56 and for or 55 and
4,300. Um, this is one of those little

1484
02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:30,239
outcroppings
that's in Roy and north and south and

1485
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:34,800
west of it is Hooper. So
to the east of this development is our

1486
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:38,639
town homes. There's 32 town homes that
were approved. Uh, when the property was

1487
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:44,560
reszone, the council approved the
reszone subject that anything west of

1488
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:48,320
the Slooh was single family only. So
that's what this aspect is. where if it

1489
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:52,639
would could have been town homes, I
think they'd have already built them,

1490
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:58,719
but this is the the single family aspect
of it. They still have to maintain open

1491
02:07:55,360 --> 02:08:02,960
space for the whole project. Um the
unfortunate part is it did take, I'd

1492
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:08,239
say, several months, I'll give them
that, to

1493
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:13,280
have Hooper allow them access off of
their rideway,

1494
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:18,320
which was pretty sad, but I won't go
there.

1495
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:23,920
um my state statutes there are no design
guidelines for single family homes so I

1496
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:28,400
can't impose but it's great to know that
they're still looking to have similar to

1497
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:31,920
what those town homes were um like they
said in the pictures you've got you got

1498
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:39,119
the town homes that are already built
there now so it'll still be of similar

1499
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:44,079
design um I can't require anything more
than that if they're willing to do more

1500
02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:50,800
that's up to them aspect wise the DRC
See, most of the comments um aren't

1501
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:55,679
planning related. They're more of sewer
lines, water lines that come from the

1502
02:08:52,960 --> 02:09:00,079
engineer and public works. Building or
planning wise, there is pretty I mean,

1503
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:07,199
yes, there are a few, but nothing that
could couldn't be completed with very

1504
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:10,400
little um information provided. So, a
number of parking stalls. didn't know

1505
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:16,159
how many were going to be there until
the picture, but you know, every single

1506
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:21,920
family homes requires twocar parking and
multif family, it's two and a half cars

1507
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:27,760
parking. So, you get some visitors.
Um, so many of that aspect is can be

1508
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:32,239
satisfied with no changes the way this
layout is. So, staff would recommend

1509
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:36,199
approving the site plan um with the
conditions in the staff report.

1510
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:42,400
And this is what, six years in the
making since we

1511
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:44,159
» Yeah, I couldn't tell you how long it's
been.

1512
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:48,480
» I know it was during co because we were
still remote when we when we did it, but

1513
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:52,239
it's it's kind of interesting because we
had kind of that buffer even though

1514
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:57,679
they're in hoop or the buffer between
the residential and the multifamily. And

1515
02:09:54,719 --> 02:10:01,280
so it's interesting to finally see this
one come before us. That's been a while.

1516
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:07,599
So
any other questions for Steve?

1517
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:12,800
Okay. Okay. And this one is just one
motion

1518
02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:18,480
» us to approve, not to recommend or
>> forward a positive.

1519
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:22,960
» I motion to approve the site plan review
with the conditions that all current and

1520
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:26,320
future DRC review comments are complied
with along with any conditions as stated

1521
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:30,400
in the staff report or during this
meeting.

1522
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:34,079
» We have a motion. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

1523
02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:40,800
» Motion to second. All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. We

1524
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:45,199
will now move on to agenda item number
nine. Thank you for for coming. Um this

1525
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:51,119
is a request for site plan and
architectural approval for Quick and

1526
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:55,520
Clean located approximately 1865 West
Riverdale Road. And this is not the

1527
02:10:53,280 --> 02:11:00,560
David Young that's on the planning
commission.

1528
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:04,800
Is the applicant here for that one? go
ahead and come on up and tell us your

1529
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:09,400
name, what city you live in, and then
tell us tell us about your project here.

1530
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:19,760
» Well, my name's David Young. Uh, and yet
I've met another David Young. There's a

1531
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:25,119
lot of us out there. Uh, I live in South
Weieber and, uh, I'm the owner of Quick

1532
02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:30,639
and Clean. We uh purchased this property
that was formerly uh TNT uh self-s

1533
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:37,119
served car wash in the Harmon's parking
lot and we own and operate multiple car

1534
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:42,960
washes up and down the wash front and we
were able to convert the old wash into

1535
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:47,360
actually a dog wash along with the
self-s served bays and were able to uh

1536
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:51,520
put a lot quite a bit of money into
bringing it up so it looked a lot nicer.

1537
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:56,800
We enclosed that bay. We finished the
exterior with blackwood steel panels. We

1538
02:11:54,880 --> 02:12:00,880
really chose that because it matched
what what would had already been up

1539
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:05,119
there um on on top of the black fascia
and roof line. So that enclosure uh

1540
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:10,000
reads as part of the original structure
rather than a patch. Um before that it

1541
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:14,159
was a drive-thru
uh inbay automatic that we that we

1542
02:12:12,639 --> 02:12:19,440
converted.
And that's basically the project. We

1543
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:26,000
updated the sign uh based on the name of
the car wash as well.

1544
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:28,880
» Right. Any questions,
>> Steve?

1545
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:33,760
» Um as mentioned, this is a request for
site plan and architectural approval um

1546
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:40,960
for the quick and clean there at 1865
West Riverdale Road. Um previously the

1547
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:45,840
TNT uh car wash next to schooners and I
want to say a rent a car hearts or

1548
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:50,639
something like that.
Um, site plan wise, this is what was

1549
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:59,599
proposed. They had several parking
stalls. Um, th this came into existence

1550
02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:05,440
without approval. It was it was already
done. Um, so we're trying to get it so

1551
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:09,679
we can move forward and get to the
appropriate approvals.

1552
02:13:08,079 --> 02:13:15,360
Um,
the enclosed area along Riverdale Road,

1553
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:20,560
um, it's just glass and black.
um framing. I mean, I think it looks

1554
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:23,920
good. If they enclosed all of them, this
is probably what it would look like.

1555
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:27,520
Even if they did roller doors, it'd
probably still have, you know, black

1556
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:34,000
framing and probably some sort of glass
or tempered um

1557
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:39,199
glass or plexiglass or what have you. Uh
the backside, they did use a material

1558
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:44,159
that looks like corrugated metal, but
painted it similar to the the brick or

1559
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:50,239
the not brick.
Um name is escaping me.

1560
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:54,320
» No cinder block. There we go.
>> Yeah.

1561
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:58,880
» Um as you know corrugated middle is not
allowed in the zone but it is an

1562
02:13:56,480 --> 02:14:02,960
improvement. It does be is consistent
with so the planning commission you know

1563
02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:08,239
you can approve it with this kind of
little change. Metal is allowed. It just

1564
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:13,119
needs to be architectural but it is
small. It's only

1565
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:19,679
I wouldn't say 20 it's probably 20% of
the of the overall building. Um

1566
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:24,480
parking wise
it does require a couple stalls where

1567
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:29,760
before none were required because you're
just driving in washing and going and

1568
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:36,159
you had a a place to park to vacuum. So
the place really only needs three

1569
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:41,040
stalls. They provided six or no seven
six

1570
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:44,320
I can't read that too small now but
staff kind of overlooked that and we

1571
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:47,440
just need the three that are in front we
don't need the two in the back because

1572
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:51,440
there's real no access from the backside
and the one up to towards the street we

1573
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:57,040
can get rid of and then just improve the
site by put putting some trees that will

1574
02:14:54,400 --> 02:15:05,199
improve the site drastically from what
it was before. um don't have to increase

1575
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:10,239
more landscaping elsewhere. Um again, it
was it was minor changes, but still

1576
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:15,920
needed to to be approved from this body.
Um so staff would just recommend

1577
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:19,159
approving it, both the site plan and and
the architecture.

1578
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:25,639
» Okay, any questions?

1579
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:32,000
would require two motions, but on the
architecture, if you're okay with the

1580
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:40,800
the metal that they have back there,
just make that part of your motion. Um,

1581
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:46,320
I'm indifferent on it. It's in the back.
It's painted the same color. So,

1582
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:50,400
» can I just ask a question because I
couldn't find the historical um

1583
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:56,480
background on why downtown district,
this area, that's not allowed.

1584
02:15:54,560 --> 02:16:02,000
um just part of the the district when we
went through the the code and and

1585
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:07,520
creating it, we wanted more of um
aerospace design, so more glasses and

1586
02:16:04,639 --> 02:16:10,560
metals that are more flat in nature
rather than corrugated.

1587
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:15,040
» Okay.
>> Better aesthetics. That's kind of the

1588
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:17,599
gateway that is why we better
aesthetics. That's why we kind of went

1589
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:21,440
that
>> but knowing the fascia is kind of the

1590
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:24,639
sim similar material. That's why I'm I'm
indifferent if if you prove it this way

1591
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:28,480
or not.
corrugated adds a little bit of strength

1592
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:33,000
to it
and it has been an improvement.

1593
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:45,920
» Okay. Anybody want to make a motion?
>> Uh I motion that we approve

1594
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:51,200
uh where am I? I've just lost my spots.
site plan.

1595
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:57,519
» Uh the site plan um as long as it meets
the minimum requirements of the zoning

1596
02:16:53,120 --> 02:17:00,559
ordinance, right? With the exception of
the metal is the site plan. The

1597
02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:05,359
architecture will cover them.
>> Perfect. Um so yeah, the site plan uh

1598
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:09,200
and meeting the minimum requirements of
the zoning ordinance.

1599
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:11,280
» Okay.
>> Okay. Do we have a second?

1600
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:14,719
» Second.
>> All in favor?

1601
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:20,920
» I. Any opposed?
>> All right. That passes unanimously. Now

1602
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:20,920
the architectural approval.

1603
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:36,639
I make a recommendation we approve the
um architectural aspect.

1604
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:38,399
Um as long meet the minimum standard.
>> We want to approve it or make a

1605
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:40,399
recommendation.
>> Recommendation.

1606
02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:43,439
» It's approved.
>> Approve. Wait.

1607
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:47,359
» Approve it. Do you want the
>> I want to approve.

1608
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:51,840
» Make a motion to approve the
architectural aspect.

1609
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:55,439
» With the corrugated metal or without it?
>> With the corrugated metal.

1610
02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:58,719
» Second.
>> Okay. So, I have a motion to approve the

1611
02:17:57,439 --> 02:18:02,639
» Bailey or Felt.
>> Bailey architectural plan with the

1612
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:06,000
corrugated metal and a second by
Commissioner Bailey. All in favor?

1613
02:18:05,359 --> 02:18:10,240
» I
>> I. Any opposed?

1614
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:14,240
» That passes unanimously.
Okay. Okay. Agenda item number 10 is a

1615
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:19,040
request for site plan and architectural
approval for Mountain America Credit

1616
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:23,760
Union located approximately 1919 West
5600 South. And is the applicant here

1617
02:18:21,599 --> 02:18:28,479
for that one.
>> If they're not, I understand.

1618
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:31,280
» My understanding is you were going to
present first.

1619
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:35,040
» You are.
>> Okay.

1620
02:18:33,359 --> 02:18:37,120
» I don't want people thinking this is my
project.

1621
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:41,920
» Well, I thought where it was presented
last month that you were doing that.

1622
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:41,920
» I will go first.

1623
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:05,599
While you're passing that out, um, I
will introduce myself. I am Shane

1624
02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:10,080
Sanders with Sanders and Associate
Architects. Um, we're in Ogden and I am

1625
02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:16,559
representing Mountain America Credit
Union.

1626
02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:20,639
This was presented last month. Um, we
reubmitted and there were some

1627
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:25,359
additional concerns. Um, we've looked at
that. I just want to kind of give you

1628
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:30,960
um, kind of an example of what they're
doing or want to achieve at this corner.

1629
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:36,719
Um that first picture is a similar
branch exterior of another branch um

1630
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:41,760
that kind of shows the the elements that
um achieve that aerospace design theme.

1631
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:48,000
I don't think that's in question, but
just kind of want to give you um uh an

1632
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:55,120
example. If you turn to the second page,
um this is the lobby of a typical

1633
02:19:50,560 --> 02:20:01,359
branch. That large glass wall um is to
the back of the the teller line. Um

1634
02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:06,240
behind that gray wall in the middle is a
wall that sits in about 3 feet from the

1635
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:11,520
glass wall that uh a mural will be
painted will be painted by a local

1636
02:20:08,479 --> 02:20:17,200
artist and that mural will be based on
kind of the history of Roy and some of

1637
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:22,399
the um things that are going on in the
city. Um, for example, Hillfield and

1638
02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:28,399
that aerospace theme. You would probably
see that in the mural. Um, so there's a

1639
02:20:26,319 --> 02:20:31,200
desire for Mountain America to make that
connection with the community. They want

1640
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:35,760
to be a part of the community. There
will be that 90 wall that you see to the

1641
02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:39,600
left of that picture is a wall that
talks about the history of Royal also.

1642
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:44,399
And you see that in their branch as they
try and make that connection um with

1643
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:49,600
their members to the community.
Um the third page, if you'll turn to

1644
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:55,840
that, that's the site plan. Um this is a
very challenging site. Um given the

1645
02:20:52,960 --> 02:21:03,359
short depth north to south, it only
creates a 50ft frontage on 1900,

1646
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:10,000
which makes it difficult to to design a
building that can function for their

1647
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:13,840
use. Um the recommendation was to push
that building all we thought we had

1648
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:19,359
achieved it but um based on Steve's
review we hadn't. So um what we're

1649
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:24,880
recommending to solve the problem is to
rotate this building. Um the the black

1650
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:30,800
is the original layout. The green would
be the rotation. So that t tall tall

1651
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:35,920
large glass wall would face north facing
5600.

1652
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:42,240
And then we could with the red line
expand towards 1900 with offices.

1653
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:46,560
So those offices surround that lobby
which is the kind of the function they

1654
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:52,240
need in these branches.
Um we would move the south entrance that

1655
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:56,000
we were proposing to the west. That
would be the entrance from the parking

1656
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:59,920
lot and from the development from Ocean
Mart.

1657
02:21:57,600 --> 02:22:05,439
Then we would do the front entrance and
move that to 1900 which is um identified

1658
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:10,319
on that site plan.
Um

1659
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:16,160
the only concern is that entrance. There
was a comment in Steve's report that

1660
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:20,720
that entrance need to be needed to be
more grandiose and I

1661
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:26,880
and it needed to match more that what we
had proposed for the the west entrance.

1662
02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:32,000
Um, the ordinance says that that portal
or entrance can only be 8 feet maximum

1663
02:22:30,240 --> 02:22:36,880
and that's what we had done on the north
and we would propose doing here on the

1664
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:40,880
on the east. Um, it would have all the
same elements that the west entrance

1665
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:46,160
would have. We'd have a covered canopy
that would be lit, um, metal frame, wood

1666
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:50,880
sophet,
um, and glass going in.

1667
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:57,359
The west entrance is going to look
bigger because it can be bigger. Um, but

1668
02:22:54,479 --> 02:23:02,960
we're limited to 8 feet on that width of
the primary front entrance.

1669
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:07,359
Um,
I think that I guess if you turn to the

1670
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:11,920
last page and I just stated in the next
page kind of the ordinance where we can

1671
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:17,280
be no wider than the 8 ft. The very last
page and I don't this wasn't a concern.

1672
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:23,200
Uh Steve had just asked that we show how
we've met the glazing percentages.

1673
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:27,840
Um in this new configuration we're
proposing it would be a little

1674
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:32,800
different, but we would meet those. And
I just want to make sure Steve's in

1675
02:23:30,479 --> 02:23:39,200
agreement how we're coming up with this
on the two street elevations. Um it's

1676
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:43,359
that band, that transparency band that's
identified in the ordinance that's 2

1677
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:47,520
feet off the ground and 8 feet to the
top. And that's where that 60% is is

1678
02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:51,120
calculated.
>> Unfortunate part is I there was only

1679
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:53,680
enough packets for them. So
>> Oh, you didn't get one. I sorry. I could

1680
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:56,560
have given you one.
>> We got an extra.

1681
02:23:54,399 --> 02:24:00,720
» Y but
>> yeah to review it on the fly. It's kind

1682
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:04,800
of hard to say it meets it or not. So
>> Well, it meets it and I was just showing

1683
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:08,000
showing you how we come up with it and I
just want to make sure

1684
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:10,880
» my comment was just provide that
>> information on there.

1685
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:16,479
» Okay. And again, that's going to change
a little bit in the new um site

1686
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:21,840
configuration, but we will meet that
when we resubmit.

1687
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:27,520
So, we would ask that you approve based
on that new site configuration

1688
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:33,520
and um
the entrances that we're proposing

1689
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:37,120
that this this new configuration would
meet your 80%

1690
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:46,319
frontage
on 1900 West and on the corner

1691
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:51,600
at the 15t setback.
Again, very challenging site with that

1692
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:57,280
tight space we have to work with on
1900.

1693
02:24:53,359 --> 02:25:01,840
Um, but I think we have a solution here
that meets the ordinance and satisfies

1694
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:07,800
Mountain America's
um kind of needs functionally to make

1695
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:07,800
this branch work.

1696
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:19,080
and all the other um items that were
mentioned in the report we will we will

1697
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:19,080
meet and address in the resubmitt.

1698
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:28,319
» Okay. Any any questions?
>> All right. We may have some questions in

1699
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:34,640
a minute, but for the meantime, let's uh
go over to Steve.

1700
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:40,800
» Well, my presentation isn't up to date.
Um, again, this is the southwest corner

1701
02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:45,439
of 56 and 1900 West where the old Wells
Fargo building was, but much of it has

1702
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:52,720
been chopped up, so it's a lot farther
than it used to be. Um, here's the

1703
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:58,080
previous site plan. Um,
and then kind of the design features of

1704
02:25:54,640 --> 02:26:02,720
the of the building prior.
Now, planning commission, if you kind of

1705
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:06,960
like what's going on here,
you can go ahead and approve it subject

1706
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:12,319
to this meets the the aspects of the
code. Um, I can bring that those aspects

1707
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:19,120
back to you just so you you have an idea
of what the DRC comments would be, but I

1708
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:23,760
don't I don't think tableabling it
because just

1709
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:29,040
the setbacks is the biggest issue and it
looks like they're conforming to that.

1710
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:34,479
having a a doorway and
the fun and the the good and the bad and

1711
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:38,319
the ugly is knowing this is one of few
buildings that we've actually looked at

1712
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:43,520
in this new code. I was unaware that
it's only 8t wide. So if this is 8t wide

1713
02:26:41,359 --> 02:26:49,520
that meets the code, not much I can I
can change about that. So um the access

1714
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:55,840
point there it meets aspect needs to be
along the front or on the corner. So

1715
02:26:51,520 --> 02:27:00,640
this would be ability there and then
parking lot would just assimilate a

1716
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:04,960
little bit to what this building change.
So I mean I could bring you back the the

1717
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:10,000
DRC comments for the new submitt just so
you are aware of if there's any large

1718
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:15,280
concerns but you could approve it just
conditions on the DRC comments are

1719
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:20,399
satisfied. I don't foresee huge things
at the moment that would

1720
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:27,680
say, you know, don't do it, red flags
come up um into it. So,

1721
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:34,920
» I think that this meets the questions
that I brought up and and concerns that

1722
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:34,920
I had prior to this. So

1723
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:43,120
» I think they've they've looked at it
knowing that the only 15 ft needs to be

1724
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:46,479
met and by changing around a bit will
does help it. So

1725
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:50,200
» and they still have to meet the other
standards. So

1726
02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:58,920
» okay, anybody want to make a motion?
There'll be two total, but we can start

1727
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:58,920
with the first.

1728
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:08,880
I make a motion to approve the site plan
for the Mountain America project with

1729
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:11,439
the condition that the DRC comments are
satisfied.

1730
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:15,359
» And we want to make sure that that
states as presented to us tonight.

1731
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:19,600
» That's fine.
>> And as presented to us tonight.

1732
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:22,640
» Okay. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

1733
02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:26,720
» Motion to second. All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? All right. That takes

1734
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:29,720
care of the site plan. Now the
architectural

1735
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:43,600
» I make a motion to
>> go ahead

1736
02:28:40,720 --> 02:28:50,800
» to approve the archite architectural
review um with the condition that the

1737
02:28:47,359 --> 02:28:54,160
DRC comments are satisfied and with what
we learned tonight

1738
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:58,000
» tonight. Second.
>> Okay. motion and a second. All in favor?

1739
02:28:57,359 --> 02:29:03,840
» I.
>> Any opposed? That passes unanimously.

1740
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:07,760
» Okay, let's do it.
>> Agenda items number 11 and 12 and then

1741
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:10,720
we'll see where we're at as far as
addressing the other one. Um,

1742
02:29:09,359 --> 02:29:16,439
commissioners minute. Do any of the
commissioners have anything that they

1743
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:16,439
would like to bring up?

1744
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:25,080
» I just want to recognize Mr. Scatteren.
Who is

1745
02:29:21,439 --> 02:29:25,080
» There goes my items.

1746
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:29,960
All right, Steve, it's all yours.

1747
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:37,439
» Go for it.
>> There was a flyer on where you were at

1748
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:41,600
before. They're just looking for
planning commissioners and city and or

1749
02:29:39,439 --> 02:29:45,920
city council members. We'd be interested
in join joining them. So, if you're

1750
02:29:44,399 --> 02:29:49,280
available,
um

1751
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:54,399
please look at attending. You can give
them a call. If you have questions, I

1752
02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:58,960
can give you the gentleman's card. I
only had one, so I can email that to you

1753
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:03,680
if you have more questions, but they're
just looking for some elected and

1754
02:30:01,760 --> 02:30:06,680
appointed officials to help serve on
there.

1755
02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:14,240
And then second, we have a new planning
commissioner since uh Jeremy Thompson

1756
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:18,240
stepped down for health reasons
and unfortunately the mayor had

1757
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:23,359
appointed and the council ratified Randy
Scad. No, actually I'm I'm excited. I

1758
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:28,720
know Randy pretty well as all of us
having served on the council for many

1759
02:30:25,359 --> 02:30:33,280
years. I think he will bring a some
information. I can't say wealth of

1760
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:39,040
knowledge. I have to retrain him as a
planning commissioner.

1761
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:41,760
» True. It's true. Is it like can I defend
myself?

1762
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:43,760
» Come on up. Introduce yourself.
>> Yeah.

1763
02:30:42,479 --> 02:30:49,760
» If they don't know who you are.
>> Does anybody not know who I am?

1764
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:49,760
» Oh.

1765
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:59,359
Yeah. Has he been sworn in? So he can
>> He's been sworn in. Appointed

1766
02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:06,200
» sworn in. Sworn out.
>> He's He's alternate number two. So

1767
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:06,200
» my homework

1768
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:21,040
city for all of us doesn't exist.
We also have this cool thing called the

1769
02:31:19,439 --> 02:31:25,439
internet that you can look that up on
just just for reference.

1770
02:31:24,240 --> 02:31:28,160
» Little badge, Randy.
>> Welcome.

1771
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:30,399
» Little badge. What badge?
>> Oh, just a certificate. Sorry. The

1772
02:31:29,920 --> 02:31:34,560
certificate.
>> The same one hour required training you

1773
02:31:32,479 --> 02:31:37,280
all went through before you could vote.
>> So you know which hat you're wearing.

1774
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:39,439
» Yes.
>> Um

1775
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:47,200
» I sent him those videos, too.
>> Yeah. Welcome. Um be fun serving with

1776
02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:51,840
you. So um any other items, Steve? I
really don't have much. I mean,

1777
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:55,040
yeah, I'm going to end it there. I had
more things I could say, but I'm not

1778
02:31:53,280 --> 02:32:00,479
going to put it online.
>> Okay. So, I'm going to leave the last

1779
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:03,760
item, the fate of the last item up to
the commission. We can either try to

1780
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:08,399
hear the item without the applicants
here. I like to have the applicants

1781
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:13,520
here. I think that's fair for them. Um,
so either a motion to rehear that item

1782
02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:18,880
or we can do a motion to adjurnn. I'll
go ahead and motion to uh table item

1783
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:22,000
number seven for a future time when we
can uh hopefully hear from the

1784
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:24,800
applicants.
>> Second

1785
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:28,960
» motion to table and a second. All in
favor? I. Any opposed?

1786
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:31,760
» Okay, last motion.
>> Motion to adjurnn

1787
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:33,040
» in order. Did you get that, Steve? Hold
on.

1788
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:35,359
» Who seconded it?
>> Me

1789
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:38,319
» because apparently I can't hear people's
voices on

1790
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:41,680
» Commissioner Bailey.
>> Bailey seconded it.

1791
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:45,439
» Bailey second. certainly sound like t 10
or 10.

1792
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:46,479
» Okay. So, that was for the motion to
table it.

1793
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:49,680
» Yep.
>> Okay. So, now the last motion of the

1794
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:51,840
night, we're going to redo that so that
we have that

1795
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:55,280
» clearly on the record.
>> Motion to adjurnn.

1796
02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:57,920
» Second.
>> Motion to adjurnn and a second. All in

1797
02:32:57,359 --> 02:32:59,120
favor?
>> I I

1798
02:32:58,640 --> 02:33:03,920
» I.
>> Any opposed?

1799
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:05,680
» We are now adjourned.
>> You've been looking

1800
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:10,880
» just for you.
>> Oh, thank you. Yes.

1801
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:14,520
I love the clack,
>> especially when there