[0:09] All right. It is
Oh.
[0:12] » We're on. This is the roll call order of
the regular meeting of the Rio Oso Town
[0:15] City Council.
Today is Monday, August the 10th. The
[0:19] time is 5:30.
Uh Mr. Hannah, would you lead us in the
[0:23] Pledge of Allegiance?
[0:27] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:32] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God,
[0:37] indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
[0:47] » Councilor Smith.
>> Councilor Leatherman.
[0:51] » Here.
>> Councilor Taylor.
[0:53] » Here.
>> Councilor Giddens.
[0:54] » Here.
>> Councilor Proctor.
[0:56] » Here.
>> And you have a quorum.
[0:59] » I will entertain a motion for the
approval of the agenda.
[1:03] I'd like that motion for approval of the
agenda.
[1:06] I'll second that.
>> I'll second.
[1:11] » Councilor Leatherman.
>> Aye.
[1:13] » Councilor Giddens.
>> Aye.
[1:15] » Councilor Proctor.
>> Aye.
[1:16] » Councilor Taylor.
>> Aye.
[1:20] » We will entertain a motion for the
approval of this consent agenda.
[1:25] » Mayor, I would uh
like a motion to approve consent agenda
[1:31] with the modification to minutes.
[1:43] There's a
clerical stuff needs to be
[1:46] Okay, commended on minutes.
>> Do we need to elaborate for the record
[1:50] or
>> Uh if you'd like me to stumble through
[1:52] it.
>> Um
[1:54] » I'll second that.
>> Councilor
[1:55] Councilor Taylor, you're able to uh read
through the amendments or you we can add
[2:00] the amendments as an exhibit to the
>> Okay.
[2:04] » tonight's minutes.
>> Briefly under and minutes under
[2:08] unfinished business.
[2:12] The second The second paragraph there
says counselor with no name moved to
[2:17] approve kennel facilities
and so forth.
[2:21] The clerk has recommended that be struck
out in the lower
[2:25] uh
paragraph be placed in that line. And I
[2:30] like I said, the clerk will verify
she modified it on
[2:34] my copy here, so we can use that as one
>> Or we can reserve it for the next
[2:38] meeting.
>> I'll wait.
[2:43] » And then I don't believe second is one
of all of that.
[2:46] » Councilor Bibbens?
>> Aye.
[2:48] » Councilor Taylor?
>> Aye.
[2:50] » Councilor Eastham?
>> Aye.
[2:52] » Councilor Proctor?
>> Aye.
[2:55] » Okay.
Next item would be public comments. Is
[2:58] there any one in the audience that would
like to speak?
[3:04] I see none.
Next item would be councilors' comments.
[3:08] Councilors?
[3:11] Mr. Harris? No, okay.
>> Uh I
[3:14] I have heard great things about the the
event this weekend.
[3:19] All positive. Um everybody came out and
showed.
[3:23] And um as well as
uh we have the Fresh Stop food runner
[3:30] uh
the food bank has been here today and
[3:32] it's been here for the past few months.
They are wishing to continue putting in
[3:37] their happy to provide for the families
that need. So.
[3:40] » So, you want to get times and
>> Uh we don't currently have a time yet,
[3:44] but as soon as I get it, we'll have it
posted and
[3:47] um everybody is welcome to participate.
>> Excellent. Thank you.
[3:52] I got one. brief update on the
clinic.
[3:58] Um there's Mary Douglas.
She sent me an email. The clinic's
[4:02] pretty much ready to go. Furniture is
in.
[4:05] Exam rooms are complete. We have a small
lab.
[4:09] Yard is striped for parking. Electricity
and water are connected.
[4:13] We're interviewing the nurse
practitioner next week and medical
[4:16] assistant next week. And then we're
pretty much ready to go.
[4:20] We still do not have the license from
the state.
[4:23] They've been reviewing the application,
but nothing has approved yet.
[4:34] They want first to give them life safety
code reports to them.
[4:38] We've done that.
We have sent that in.
[4:42] Waiting to have that approved.
[4:48] It's not in They're just They're waiting
on the state to approve it. They'll give
[4:51] final approval.
Uh
[4:56] Do you all have anything to add to that?
>> No, I think all we're just waiting on is
[4:59] the state clinic.
>> Perfect.
[5:03] Thanks for the update.
[5:05] I just want to say thank you.
Thank you, sir. Dr. Harrison and
[5:09] Counselor
Taylor for the update.
[5:13] Inside on the boot camp stuff going on.
I never been in within the medical
[5:20] center living.
They get to
[5:22] That's a good thing to the public if
they know about. Put information. Thank
[5:26] you.
Councilor Laswell, do you have anything?
[5:29] » No, thank you, sir.
>> Okay.
[5:32] Moving on to Mayor's comments. Well, Ms.
Gutierrez stole my thunder, so I won't
[5:35] say
[5:39] » We had our our first annual party in the
park this weekend. It was a huge
[5:42] success. Um
Lots of sun. Some of us are showing
[5:46] signs of that today, I'm sure, but um um
overall, it was a a fantastic event and
[5:51] and I'm hoping that we can
uh
[5:54] attract
it back and and more uh to come. More we
[5:59] utilize the park, the
better it's uh known within the
[6:03] community.
I
[6:04] uh
would like to extend a thank you to uh
[6:08] all of the personnel that assisted, came
out and helped, and and worked to make
[6:11] it that success. So, you guys did a
phenomenal job. Thank you.
[6:17] » All right, moving on to new business.
Each item listed will be for discussion
[6:22] and possible action.
A would be
[6:25] uh approval of the interdepartmental
transfer of unused funds from streets
[6:30] cap out vehicle to streets cap out
equipment for the purchase of equipment
[6:34] in the amount of $285,000.
>> I'll make a motion. All in I.
[6:40] » At stake, water mayor.
>> I'll let them in.
[6:43] » Can I have a second?
>> Billy Brooks, sir.
[6:47] » Can I address the council?
>> Um with the grapple truck, it was picked
[6:50] up by the state. So, the state covered
those expenses.
[6:53] So, that would leave that 285 in our
budget streets. And I would like to use
[6:57] that money to purchase another piece of
equipment, a road widener, which helps
[7:01] us backfill curbs and and patch potholes
and different things.
[7:05] Along with that, um
we have a lowboy trailer that was given
[7:09] to us by the county
for free. It needs tires and decking,
[7:13] which is going to run probably close to
20,000 to find to get fixed. So, I'd
[7:17] like to use some money for that.
And lastly, if there's enough money left
[7:21] over, I would like to replace the
bathrooms on Mary Park.
[7:25] That this weekend, my guys were there
for 14 hours
[7:29] pumping manholes and whatnot because
that bathroom was never built correctly.
[7:33] There's a belly in the sewer line, so it
constantly clogs.
[7:36] Just not a good thing. So, if we could
get a new bathroom put in there,
[7:40] then I time lock some stuff for night
time to lock it up, try to keep people
[7:43] out of there sleeping in it and
that could be good for the park.
[7:49] » You have the time clocks or time locks
and then you're able to
[7:53] deny access after hours using
[7:57] » I have a question about that.
Um Mr. Jarvis,
[8:01] um
do you currently have a park ranger?
[8:04] » No.
>> We have We don't have one.
[8:05] » Nothing.
We tried to get one
[8:08] uh three or four years ago. Since then
at the time we needed another piece of
[8:12] equipment and that size would have been
perfect.
[8:14] » What happens when you need one, Dr.
Jarvis?
[8:16] » Well, you right now it's taking four or
five guys about two weeks to shovel the
[8:19] dirt.
>> Oh, and is it something that can be done
[8:21] in a day or two with a piece of
equipment?
[8:24] » Done.
>> Very good. Thank you. Thank you.
[8:25] » Yes.
>> And as far as bathrooms, um would it be
[8:28] the same size spot?
>> It's probably the same spot. We'll
[8:32] probably build it up a little higher in
elevation because it's central to the
[8:36] park.
You know, the bathroom get very
[8:38] expensive. We did this a couple of years
ago. In '19 we went out to bid and the
[8:42] folks were at $600 a square foot.
These are pre-fab concrete. We literally
[8:47] do the dirt work, set the utilities and
crane sets the building down just like
[8:50] Riverside.
>> Okay.
[8:52] » Um the one at Riverside was about 90,000
for a single occupancy
[8:57] and one that has double on both sides
we're looking at about 180,000.
[9:02] » And is that what you're looking at a
double occupancy?
[9:04] » Yes. I think we need more restrooms
there.
[9:06] » Right.
Thank you.
[9:07] » Thank you.
>> Right.
[9:14] » Any other questions?
[9:23] » Councilor Les Schwab?
I. Councilor Proctor?
[9:27] » I.
>> Councilor Gibbes?
[9:28] » I.
>> Councilor Gibbes?
[9:30] » I.
>> Thank you very much, Dr.
[9:33] Thank you, Dr.
All All folks, bear with me. This one's
[9:36] a long.
[9:40] Item B would be approval of resolution
number 2026-18,
[9:45] a resolution calling for the submission
of general obligation bond questions to
[9:49] all qualified voters at the general
election to be held on November 3rd,
[9:53] 2026
for the purpose of voting on the
[9:56] issuance of general obligation bonds
in aggregate principal amounts of
[10:01] $2,500,000
describing the purpose for which the
[10:06] bond proceeds would be expended,
providing for the filing of the election
[10:10] resolution
with the Lincoln County Clerk
[10:14] authorizing and directing the the
officers and employees of the city to
[10:17] coordinate with the
with the assist
[10:20] with and assist the Lincoln County Clerk
with respect to the election
[10:26] prescribing other details with
details in connection with such
[10:32] election and bonds
and ratifying action previously taken in
[10:37] connection therewith.
>> Mayor
[10:41] I make a motion on item B as stated
by [clears throat] the mayor.
[10:45] » [laughter]
>> Come on. You want to read that again?
[10:47] » No.
[10:49] » Do I have a second?
>> I'll second.
[10:52] » Okay.
Go ahead, sir.
[10:55] » Mayor and council, my name is Mark Will.
I'm managing principal of Boskey
[10:59] Advisors. We're serving as your bond
advisor
[11:02] for the general obligation bonds if
they're passed by voters. As as my
[11:07] colleagues talked about last time they
were here
[11:10] this election would not increase taxes.
So, the opportunity for the for the city
[11:17] is to take this voters get approval with
their support to apply to any
[11:23] infrastructure projects you would have
in the community.
[11:26] Chris Nearhead, who's your bond
attorney, is online. You know, I'll turn
[11:29] it over to him on the on the legal side
of this,
[11:32] and and what they have crafted your bond
attorney says been brought up for you
[11:36] for the city to use these funds if
voters approve them for general core
[11:42] infrastructure. So, I'll stop there. I'm
happy to answer questions about the
[11:46] election, the process, or or tax
implications. Like I said, it's not a
[11:51] tax increase,
but I'll turn it over to Mr. Muirhead
[11:55] to talk about the resolution that's in
front of you this evening. Thank you.
[11:58] Thank you, sir.
>> Uh good evening, Mayor and Councilors.
[12:02] Chris Muirhead with the law firm where
we're bond counsel and have been working
[12:05] with Mark on this, Ms. Chavez.
Uh the resolution is a standard form
[12:11] that we use around the state. What it
does is directs the Lincoln County Clerk
[12:16] to put this on the the ballot come
November.
[12:19] It does need to be filed, the signed
resolution with the the County Clerk by
[12:24] August 28th. So, if it passes tonight,
get it signed and get it sent over
[12:28] there. Drafted the question as Mark
indicated to be as broad as possible
[12:32] with still providing enough specificity
to voters so that they know what they're
[12:36] potentially approving, but it is very
broad infrastructure,
[12:40] buildings, water, wastewater
improvements.
[12:44] And it is the the step that once you do
this, you can give it to the Lincoln
[12:47] County Clerk and they'll take it from
there. They manage and operate the
[12:51] elections.
And then on November 3rd, it would go to
[12:54] the voters. If it passes, you'd have 4
years to expend the two and a half
[12:59] million dollars issue bonds
or to issue bonds totaling two and a
[13:04] half million dollars for the projects.
As Mark said, happy to answer any
[13:08] questions about it. Uh
this is the opportunity
[13:12] to get it on the ballot come November.
[13:16] » Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.
>> Yes, thank you, Mayor.
[13:19] » Any questions?
>> I just think there's there. Yes.
[13:24] » I would we need to follow the plan every
week we're going to do
[13:28] to get it to the citizens of the
community.
[13:30] It It's not going to cost you anything.
I mean, you can put them on the
[13:33] brochure. We need to promote that,
whether it's radio, newspaper, or
[13:38] mail.
So, nobody knows about our meeting, so
[13:40] we can't tell them here.
So, put it on the social media platforms
[13:44] that we have and we'll get it pushed
out.
[13:48] I rest you.
So, this is what he was
[13:51] » Have you guys had any experience in
getting this out to the community
[13:55] for the purposes of them understanding
what it is and not um
[14:01] a tax on them?
>> Um Mayor and Counselor, uh yes, we have.
[14:05] In fact, the last election cycle, we
worked with 10 cities or school
[14:09] districts who were pursuing
uh the same type of
[14:14] uh election. Some of them were actually
tax increases in those communities.
[14:18] Um out of the 10 that we supported and
helped, eight of them won.
[14:23] Um and so, the the path we would
recommend is to at least hold a couple
[14:28] different town halls.
Uh let the public know that the
[14:32] everybody's here to answer questions.
We'll attend and be there and and and be
[14:36] available to answer factual information.
Um I will say that the state law here,
[14:41] and Chris um Mearshead can can uh chime
in here, state law says that the
[14:47] the the city of Ruidoso Downs can put
out information as long as it's factual.
[14:53] Um and so, you can print information and
and make sure as long as it's factual,
[14:57] but you cannot uh use state uh city
funds to say vote for. You can just
[15:03] simply say that these bonds would do
this, and here's what the tax impact
[15:06] would be, which is a zero impact from
what you're currently paying
[15:10] uh to voters. So, yes, we do have that
experience. We're happy to prepare uh
[15:14] brochures for the community that you can
distribute. We're happy to be here for a
[15:19] couple town halls um and participate in
any of that communication.
[15:24] And I would also suggest that I think
early voting starts October 6th,
[15:28] somewhere around there,
to have at least one town hall right
[15:31] before early voting starts, and then
maybe another couple weeks before the
[15:35] election. Just to hear making sure
you're being heard clearly.
[15:40] » I think we're all in agreement that
all of those things need to happen
[15:44] forward.
I'm a benefit of the community.
[15:48] So, I
we're
[15:51] going to recommend that we do that.
[15:55] » Further discussion or questions?
>> [clears throat]
[16:07] » Councilor Broaddus?
>> I.
[16:08] » Councilor Taylor?
>> I.
[16:10] » Councilor Gudenas?
>> I. Councilor LeSueur?
[16:13] » I.
>> I.
[16:16] We're going to move on to item C.
>> Thank you, Chris.
[16:19] » Thank you, Mayor.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, guys. Thank
[16:21] you, Mayor. Thank you, councilors.
[16:28] » Item C, approval of Resolution number
2026-19,
[16:33] resolution determining reasonable notice
for public meetings of the city of Rio
[16:36] Rancho governing body, boards,
commissions, and committees, and
[16:41] declaring its 2026 annual schedule of
the governing body meetings.
[16:46] » I'll make a motion to discuss and
approve
[16:49] item C, as stated by the Mayor.
>> I'll second.
[16:53] » I'll second.
>> Okay.
[16:57] » Well, so um I
>> Just make a motion. You have the floor.
[17:01] » Thank you.
So, this is a resolution I'm um
[17:05] recommending that we move our city
council meetings to 2:00.
[17:10] Um
I think
[17:13] most of the community has
understood
[17:17] um where this group is standing and
I would like to
[17:23] also address that uh for financial
recent reasons um it would
[17:28] probably help with uh overtime costs and
comp time for some of the employees that
[17:35] are required to be here as well.
Uh
[17:38] and uh
I'd like to have that in writing.
[17:43] With my family, but that's a side note.
But um I'm open to the discussion
[17:51] about it.
[17:53] » Dr. Broke, uh
and on top of what the Councilwoman
[17:57] Harris just she mentioned,
uh I brought this up
[18:01] two or three meetings three weeks ago
and he backed
[18:04] and [clears throat] uh
Maria confirmed with me and talked with
[18:08] me about it. Uh she went ahead and put
it in forward. That's fine. It don't
[18:12] make any difference who puts it in as
long as we get it done. Uh
[18:16] we have to think about
the people that they come to these
[18:20] meetings at 5:30 in the winter time when
we have equal weather.
[18:24] And driving home on some of these roads
and stuff can get pretty dangerous. So,
[18:29] uh like it occurred with the 2:00 p.m.
uh
[18:32] change and go back to what it was
because
[18:36] we changed it back
when we last year like in 2024
[18:42] uh
to 5:30 because that's what the citizens
[18:45] asked for because they said they
couldn't make the meetings and stuff
[18:47] like that. They did come for a while.
Uh we got a new position. We got new two
[18:53] new councilors. Uh and a mayor.
And that being said
[18:59] then
we've got the same people who come to
[19:01] the meetings. Uh we might have a one or
two or two new faces. Uh
[19:06] and I think it'd be a benefit
to the citizens to go back and truly
[19:13] employees of the community to go back to
2:00 p.m. stable Southern Institute.
[19:21] » Any further discussion or questions?
>> Yes, sir.
[19:24] » Yes, sir. Go ahead.
>> [clears throat]
[19:27] » Uh
in general, I'm not for this.
[19:31] And there are a couple of reasons.
Uh
[19:35] right off top is the personal conflict
for me. I still work full-time.
[19:40] Uh
middle of the afternoon on Mondays
[19:44] not be a good time for me.
Uh
[19:48] also, I don't know if it's come up, uh
with Ms. Ware, how that would affect her
[19:54] timing.
And
[19:56] uh
if that's been considered.
[19:59] Uh
as far as people showing up to these
[20:03] meetings,
[20:07] it's been my impression that people show
up when they're they're wanting to
[20:10] complain about something.
[20:13] Things are going along pretty smooth.
People are happy and they did not feel a
[20:18] need to complain, but
and I think that's
[20:22] that's my assumption why people aren't
here. That's
[20:26] a positive reflection on
this government by people that are that
[20:31] are that are doing the work here.
Uh
[20:36] but that being said, moving the time
would uh
[20:43] my my opinion uh create a conflict for
people who would like to be here
[20:49] and particularly [clears throat]
working-class people
[20:52] who
you know, that we represent a large
[20:55] portion in this community.
Uh an outsized proportion for the amount
[21:00] of people that actually live here.
Uh you know, that which we're it's
[21:04] working-class community. Uh
[21:09] When I think moved this office, if I'd
known I had to show up at 2:00 on
[21:13] Mondays, I probably wouldn't have done
it.
[21:15] Uh
[21:18] So, that's kind of my take on it. One
other thing, and I don't know
[21:23] the validity of it, but I was informed a
few years back when it went from 5:00 to
[21:28] 2:00,
that was done
[21:31] to push one of the councilors out
who worked full-time at the Captain.
[21:37] And of course, there's all kinds of
rumors going around that it, you know,
[21:40] the past administration and people that
were on it, but
[21:44] that rumor that that was used as a uh
[21:49] Jeremy, but it was
>> What language was used?
[21:52] » Language was used against used this
language against the councilor that was
[21:55] butt heads.
Uh
[21:59] And the last thing that
would worry me about this is because
[22:04] things are running so smooth, people
seem happy with it. I think we're still
[22:09] under a microscope.
And
[22:13] I sure hate to
mess with things that are going so
[22:17] smooth. Uh
You know, this this my
[22:22] might come up at a later date right now.
I think personally, I think we need to
[22:27] just
let things roll along as they are, and
[22:30] uh
that you know,
[22:33] maintaining
the
[22:36] direction we've got and the goodwill of
the people.
[22:39] Start changing things like that, people
will start asking questions, and
[22:46] they think that's not going to
put in an agenda.
[22:52] That's my two cents.
Mr. Churchill.
[22:55] » That's my take.
>> Mr. Lasswell.
[22:58] » Well, I don't want to ruin it for the
new council because
[23:01] we don't have to see our times with the
employees, but I respect Councillor
[23:06] Taylor. She knows what she's doing.
She's at home.
[23:09] I don't think we should be changing the
times.
[23:13] » I I would like to change it regardless.
[23:21] » What hardship would it be, Councillor
Taylor?
[23:23] » Well, it
it varies day to day. That uh
[23:28] that's my only consideration from my
point of view. I I don't put a lot more
[23:32] weight to the
just the
[23:37] visual impact of it to the community.
I think when a governing body does
[23:42] something like this, the first thing
that crosses their mind is
[23:46] are they good at this? What are they
good for?
[23:49] Why is it How is it to my benefit?
And uh
[23:53] » Well, I think that would be an easy
answer to the question. It's a pretty
[23:56] pretty easy to be easy to answer. We're
doing it to save the city money.
[24:01] And that saves the citizens money too.
If we're not paying our directors
[24:06] Well, the line directors are on salary,
so they don't get paid overtime anyway,
[24:10] but there's comp time and another thing
to consider is when
[24:17] » Uh
once again, I I think it looks bad.
[24:22] Uh if we had, you know, county meetings
run 4 or 5 6 hours, village or Dawson
[24:27] meetings run 3 or 4 hours,
ours run 45 minutes, maybe an hour and a
[24:33] half.
Uh
[24:36] you know, if we were running meetings
that long, I I could see how that would
[24:39] be a difference in
uh in this case,
[24:43] uh
once again, I I think it would be better
[24:47] to just let things run.
[24:52] » But Councillor Taylor, would it would it
benefit you any at all?
[24:57] Um
People get off work at 3:00.
[25:00] » No, but like I said, that that's that's
my consideration. I just threw that one
[25:04] out there initially
because uh
[25:07] that I
I work full-time, but I am
[25:10] self-employed, so I get to
>> I understand.
[25:14] » I have my my own schedule. My my biggest
concern is uh
[25:19] you know, down the line cutting people
out of the loop.
[25:22] Things are running smooth right now,
but they may not stay that way.
[25:27] And uh
I kind of get it's uh
[25:33] more accommodating if we have these
later meetings than doing it in the
[25:36] middle of the day.
Uh
[25:41] And that's just how I see it.
>> Okay.
[25:45] » Any further discussion?
>> Um I'll go on the record and say I don't
[25:50] care when you have your meetings. I'll
be here for any of them.
[25:54] Um I don't really have a preference, but
um
[25:58] you guys decide what it is that you
want, we'll make it out.
[26:03] » Any further discussion?
[26:08] » Councilwoman Taylor?
>> No.
[26:10] » Councilwoman Lesko?
[26:15] Councilwoman DeDennis?
>> Aye.
[26:17] » Councilwoman Hawkins?
>> Aye.
[26:19] » Councilwoman K?
[26:26] » And
>> Aye.
[26:28] » That approval of resolution number
2026-20,
[26:31] the resolution approving the budget
adjustment request for the fourth
[26:35] quarter of fiscal year 2026.
[26:40] » Mayor and council,
we had uh grants that came in after we
[26:45] had done the final budget.
So, the fourth quarter I had to adjust
[26:49] the uh grant money into the lines in if
you don't mind I'll go ahead and do
[26:53] and then I worked
3 days trying to figure out where my
[26:58] predecessor was putting all the interest
that the town was making in the
[27:04] different lines. I finally got all those
lines balanced
[27:08] and everything all the interest is in
one GL line where the interest that had
[27:14] been
accrued for this year and
[27:17] part of last last fiscal year.
And those are the budget adjustments
[27:23] need approval for so I can submit that
to DFA
[27:27] for the final budget for the fourth
quarter.
[27:33] » Mayor
>> This man.
[27:35] » I move that we approve the resolution
for the budget adjustments request for
[27:40] the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2023.
>> I have a second.
[27:45] I'll make second.
Thanks.
[27:52] Any discussion?
>> Any more discussion?
[27:55] » Or the great roll call
>> I don't think we're in two spots.
[27:58] » I guess we do.
>> Sorry.
[28:00] » Fine.
>> Um do you have a total
[28:03] for all the funds that were moved
from So they were in separate accounts
[28:08] and
>> For the
[28:09] » Right.
>> For the interest versus 288,000 is all
[28:13] we got account though.
>> Okay.
[28:17] » Any further questions or discussion?
[28:23] » Councilor Latour?
I
[28:25] » Councilor Proctor?
>> I
[28:27] » Councilor Turenne?
>> I
[28:29] » Councilor Dudas?
>> I
[28:32] » All right.
What we're looking for we are adjourned.
[28:38] » Thank you everyone.
>> Thanks everybody.
[28:39] » Thank you. Have a good