[0:39] Good morning, everyone.
[0:42] Second must.
[0:44] Meeting the goal today is kind of.
[0:47] Hear from the sea.
[0:49] OK. And then also.
[0:52] Kind of look at any.
[0:53] Concepts again.
[0:55] That arts do not seem to be working.
[0:59] One of the concepts I understand.
[1:01] Does it seem to be working?
[1:02] Is we can't make townships all.
[1:05] With the .05.
[1:08] So, and our goal is to meet.
[1:12] And Paul, so that's one concept we might build into our agreement.
[1:19] And trying to go from there.
[1:22] OK, the the key is.
[1:25] As we go forward to make up the lip itself and everybody should have our report right.
[1:33] And we can go through page by page.
[1:37] If you want and my analyst is on.
[1:39] On the Teams meeting.
[1:41] We go by page by page but.
[1:43] It's pretty easy once we address.
[1:48] The concerns of.
[1:50] The city, OK.
[1:53] That, uh.
[1:53] All of the smaller entities.
[1:56] Will be taken care of.
[1:59] That's the way it looks to us at this point in time.
[2:02] Keep in mind again.
[2:04] We're looking at.
[2:06] 2028.
[2:08] OK. And so?
[2:11] When we in act.
[2:13] You know, I keep telling everybody you might want to start and.
[2:15] February 28th.
[2:17] And but you know, July, it will have to be done in 28.
[2:21] 429 as it stands today.
[2:25] Again.
[2:25] There will be.
[2:26] Things that will change.
[2:29] Next January, February, March, when the boys and girls.
[2:33] Go downtown Indianapolis and slug it out.
[2:37] You know, so there'll be changes that will come about.
[2:41] I am told we will not have must to.
[2:44] Coming to a theater near you next year?
[2:48] So, and that's a good thing. Maybe that's a bad thing.
[2:52] But it doesn't mean that we all can't get the.
[2:55] Together next July, you know.
[2:59] If we wanted to and talk.
[3:01] You know there's going to be.
[3:04] Talk from now on because in order to keep the cities.
[3:09] Or the tail, small tails as a whole.
[3:12] Obviously it's going to become.
[3:14] Important to hear from you and things like that.
[3:17] Some people have asked me. I've done many of these now.
[3:21] Some people have asked you.
[3:22] Does this mean the County Council will approve the?
[3:26] City and the town's budget.
[3:29] No it doesn't at this point in time.
[3:32] And work with the County Council. I believe in most.
[3:36] Kim, they wouldn't want to do that.
[3:38] Right.
[3:39] And so it don't expand the definitions beyond where it is right now.
[3:47] The goal?
[3:48] Is Rush County as a whole?
[3:51] To try and.
[3:52] Make it whole as far as recovery of current LIT.
[3:58] Above and beyond that.
[3:59] It's going to get.
[4:00] Really difficult.
[4:02] To get those LSA losses and things like that.
[4:06] Especially.
[4:07] Jason, I think you've seen it maybe probably run.
[4:09] To share with us, but.
[4:11] You've seen it. It would be very, very dramatic.
[4:14] In order to make up all your.
[4:16] I think admit like.
[4:17] $3,000,000 of.
[4:18] Allocate losses in 2029.
[4:21] I mean, that's.
[4:22] A huge amount.
[4:24] So that's what we're here to do first of.
[4:28] Jason, if you want to maybe.
[4:31] You want to set the table from the.
[4:33] City side that might be helpful and then?
[4:36] If there's any questions on.
[4:39] The numbers these are just.
[4:40] You know estimates at this point in time.
[4:43] We're having to go through those.
[4:45] Yeah.
[4:48] Out if you like, but no, you need to come up here Jason and.
[4:53] Sorry, what happened?
[4:58] No, we appreciate the effort and the number of crunching. I know that.
[5:02] It takes a lot of time and energy.
[5:04] These numbers together.
[5:06] Looking at this, we've received it yesterday it looks like.
[5:11] Just summarizing, but I believe these somethings were.
[5:13] Look like I'm taking what we're collecting in 2026.
[5:17] Local income tax.
[5:18] Plus the supplemental deduction.
[5:20] What's the additional losses that we're anticipating from?
[5:23] LSA umm.
[5:24] Through the impacts of sea.
[5:27] And trying to.
[5:28] Everyone whole.
[5:29] So we appreciate you looking at that and then it looked like that you also.
[5:33] I looked at the fire and EMS rate.
[5:36] As kind of an additional.
[5:37] Revenue through for the various, you know, fire units and.
[5:42] All right.
[5:44] So no, within that it looked like, you know, based upon the rates.
[5:49] That looked like you were trying to make a hole based upon the current.
[5:54] You know, structure.
[5:55] Of the city and the county.
[5:57] And so we appreciate that.
[6:01] One thing.
[6:04] No, I think that's.
[6:06] To comment on it was a chance, I've got to look at it so far.
[6:10] I guess one thing I did notice and I emailed him this morning on the fire EMS.
[6:15] It looked like the allocation was just kind of based upon trying to fund the budgets of the current.
[6:20] And not based upon this formula, is that something that we're going to?
[6:23] Maybe suggestion report and.
[6:25] And give the county the flexibility that we don't part.
[6:28] It's a cold while with some foreigners. Let's give the Council more flexibility and out.
[6:32] Those various uh, uh.
[6:36] Revenues are allocated here.
[6:38] In the past.
[6:39] So that's.
[6:41] And see what they do. Yeah. And I think that's the system for the houses.
[6:48] We're going to ask for that.
[6:51] .5 to be .6. Maybe the town hold.
[6:55] Because if you add up all the townships that are going to be negligence about $75,000.
[7:02] We need to make them whole.
[7:04] If that's, you know, agreeable with the.
[7:06] Obama Committee.
[7:08] Yeah, Jason, you know, on that, I mean, it's really, really tough. I think they essentially did.
[7:15] You know.
[7:19] But I think they intentionally.
[7:21] Shabbat glow to.
[7:25] Entice.
[7:28] Again, it is our understanding and I hope it's your understanding that.
[7:32] It will be grading them later this year.
[7:36] I run into one county, about 5 of the town.
[7:40] We never turned ours in.
[7:42] Well, OK, well.
[7:46] That's one of those if they want to get rid of.
[7:50] The ones that.
[7:51] We're not responding to anybody.
[7:54] They want to get rid of.
[7:56] And so.
[7:57] You know the the consolidation and what?
[8:01] Townships may look like in 2028.
[8:05] Gita really is not known.
[8:08] And the grading factor.
[8:10] When it comes out later.
[8:11] Yes, I know.
[8:13] You know, I had several of them score fairly high. I pulled out.
[8:17] They were fires either. They weren't zeros.
[8:20] But umm.
[8:21] You know, that's the most unknown because maybe.
[8:24] I think intentionally was that.
[8:28] Flow to entice.
[8:32] And I think.
[8:34] One thing that.
[8:35] Perspective is I think this is a great starting point and you know, you mentioned that.
[8:40] You don't think there's gonna be a must?
[8:42] To be required. But I agree with you I think.
[8:46] Meetings join meetings are going to be very beneficial.
[8:50] In the future for the county, the cities and townships going forward.
[8:54] Especially.
[8:55] Even if it's not going to be an annual decision, if they change that annual decision, something sort of beneficial for us.
[9:01] Continue to have these.
[9:02] Collaborative meetings.
[9:04] And that's something I think, you know, mayor in the city would like to continue even, you know, after this meeting.
[9:10] Talk about, not just.
[9:11] You know this must maybe walk the landscape is going to look like you mentioned countries are going to be different that.
[9:17] You know, some other things that the city of the county can collaborate on and.
[9:21] May change landscape that may change these numbers.
[9:23] You know IN200029200028200029 when we actually have an emphasis.
[9:29] So on this meeting, but something we kind of encouraged in the near future.
[9:36] You'd like to ask.
[9:42] Yeah.
[9:44] You're on the screen and you're on the.
[9:48] Recording.
[9:50] They made me say we're recording when we hide back to the Gray Gray.
[9:55] No, I think what Jason's saying is, is pretty much I think the.
[10:02] I think the.
[10:03] Continuing to have meetings is probably.
[10:06] The most important part?
[10:07] Because.
[10:09] I think the assumption is and it's it's easy to do.
[10:12] We all do it.
[10:13] To some degree.
[10:14] We look at the budget and we say there's, there's the budget and that's a number.
[10:19] But it doesn't reflect anything of where we want to go and what we're wanting to.
[10:22] Do and and how things happen in the future and so.
[10:26] I think for us.
[10:28] We do appreciate.
[10:29] Making it slow when we do appreciate.
[10:32] The adjustments that were made, but we also know that.
[10:37] We're trying to, we're not, we're not really, believe it or not, we're not budgeting and we're not. Our vision isn't set based on
[10:40] SB1.
[10:44] Has not said on the must it on.
[10:46] Bigger different things must just plays into it and I think for.
[10:50] Us as a community to make good decisions.
[10:53] If this is going to be.
[10:54] The route that they send us to make these decisions.
[10:57] We have to meet and, you know, and.
[11:00] In a different at a different date.
[11:03] To have conversations, to say here's really what we're trying to.
[11:08] To get ourselves.
[11:09] And that's why we might push hard over here and we may let it go.
[11:13] Over there.
[11:14] Because it does impact.
[11:16] It truly does impact some of the book of business we do. There are certain areas.
[11:20] I tell you, there's a bunch of business we do as a city of Rushville that we.
[11:24] Enjoy and there are responsibilities we did and there are others that we do that we go.
[11:28] I don't know if I want to do that anymore.
[11:31] And so if it becomes to to where it's.
[11:36] Doesn't work.
[11:37] For what the county is looking at and what we're looking at, we want to make those adjustments and.
[11:41] And it's not that we want to make those adjustments in three years. We want to make those adjustments.
[11:45] As soon as we possibly can.
[11:47] I would agree with.
[11:48] With Jason is the ability to have.
[11:51] Continued meeting so you guys get to see.
[11:54] Where we're really looking at and what we're really seeing.
[11:58] So thank you.
[11:59] I would suggest is there any Township people here?
[12:10] Come on up if you've got.
[12:11] Or questions, concerns or statements because.
[12:15] Again, uh.
[12:16] First of all, turn the only bike.
[12:18] You know, he doesn't live very hard, so you know.
[12:22] But the whole.
[12:26] The point of this is to talk it out.
[12:29] And so if you have absolutely any concerns.
[12:33] Just please state him on the record too.
[12:35] Because this will be part of the record that will also be submitted or if you have anything written.
[12:41] Or anything like that or question.
[12:43] Leaves ask.
[12:45] So yes, ma'am.
[12:46] You have to.
[12:50] It's not really a real question, but we can talk about Russian public.
[12:55] Can I get a copy of the report Jason was talking about?
[12:58] Well, this is powerful.
[13:01] Yeah.
[13:05] This is the August 26th. This is the new version.
[13:11] OK here.
[13:16] Oh, gotcha, gotcha.
[13:17] OK, listen.
[13:19] I put Tammy Chief in charge.
[13:22] But I brought copies.
[13:25] Anybody else?
[13:27] OK, perfect.
[13:30] Jane, I'm glad we brought that cover.
[13:38] The you guys are happy to.
[13:42] The numbers.
[13:50] And we would like to have a little more time to dissect that.
[13:55] So we understand it better.
[13:57] Sure, in our next.
[14:01] That would be great.
[14:02] Our next step would be.
[14:04] To put together a pair.
[14:05] And I've been putting together paragraphs to insert into the document.
[14:10] Jason, I'm.
[14:13] I again, I don't know what your counseling.
[14:16] As far as the city is concerned.
[14:19] That I wouldn't want to put a rate.
[14:22] In from the city of Rushville at this point in time.
[14:25] In the document.
[14:26] Are you suggesting we should or not?
[14:31] A great position of the draft. 1st I'm going to find report.
[14:35] In the report.
[14:37] That goes to F.
[14:39] Yeah, OK, the next bull.
[14:42] Is to create the.
[14:45] The report can have rates in it.
[14:48] Or it can have.
[14:49] Condoms written up in a paragraph.
[14:52] We believe.
[14:53] We want to submit concepts in.
[14:56] Paragraph.
[14:57] 72 I believe charging you indicated.
[15:01] The county would not want.
[15:03] Put anything below the maximum 1.2.
[15:06] Correct, and and.
[15:09] We either put.
[15:10] The way I look at it is, and again, I'm not sure what you're counseling.
[15:14] But zero or 1.2.
[15:17] OK, because to put anything last.
[15:20] May be detrimental to your health.
[15:24] Yeah, it's been interesting to see.
[15:29] OK, what? I've been writing a few of them, so yeah. So the next step would be.
[15:37] To get the paragraph formulated, I'll take first blood.
[15:42] And, you know, then everybody can.
[15:45] You know, nail it down however they want, have your attorney look at it or whatever.
[15:50] And uh.
[15:51] You know, we could always submit a draft.
[15:54] Set a number, but again I would not have the county.
[15:59] Less than 1.2.
[16:02] OK, just for six.
[16:05] And if we submit?
[16:06] You all it would be 1.06.
[16:10] I believe is the number that we use.
[16:13] So again, I'm afraid you.
[16:16] Get kept.
[16:16] At that rate.
[16:18] By something or someone in the future.
[16:22] So I'm not sure what.
[16:26] So that would be my.
[16:28] Advice. And that's.
[16:29] How are you going to kind of structure the paragraph?
[16:32] To protect everyone.
[16:35] That we can.
[16:36] As directed by.
[16:38] The mushroom.
[16:41] Yes.
[16:44] It's a small town.
[16:45] If I'm looking at these reports, drive you are taking care of your two fault pants.
[16:50] Oh, absolutely. Let's go get you. Let's look at you now.
[16:53] So which your?
[17:00] I'm a little I'm a little tiny.
[17:02] So let's look at page 6.
[17:05] Glenwood.
[17:06] And let's see, we've got Glenwood Civil.
[17:10] City, Yeah.
[17:11] Actually because the 29 distribution.
[17:17] Think we have a demo over by 409.
[17:20] Is that correct?
[17:33] 6.
[17:35] OK, tell me what the difference is.
[17:37] Web page.
[17:40] I'm on the page.
[17:42] The change page where it got green and orange.
[17:46] Yeah, we don't have green and orange.
[17:49] Yeah, that's it.
[17:54] Yeah.
[17:57] Yeah.
[18:00] We're asking about.
[18:01] Yeah.
[18:09] Tim, see that the problem?
[18:11] The one size Remember my first presentation.
[18:15] One size does not.
[18:17] At all OK and if we go back to the Backpage.
[18:21] Page 13 lucky. Page 13 OK.
[18:24] It really is a lucky number.
[18:27] That is, we're setting.
[18:29] The 106.
[18:32] In order to.
[18:33] Achieve thrill.
[18:35] At 1:06.
[18:37] So then Carthage and.
[18:40] Glenwood makeup.
[18:42] OK, now what we also do is you see this unincorporated.
[18:46] County. The county gets the benefit.
[18:49] By enacting your race.
[18:51] I'm really afraid.
[18:54] That's going to go away.
[18:56] OK, they're going to just say county.
[18:59] Just increase the rate for enough for the small cities in town.
[19:04] There's the problem.
[19:05] With the county saying.
[19:07] Oh, we're really fine with.
[19:09] This rate falling under our cap.
[19:13] Because keep in mind, we have two buckets.
[19:17] Of revenue coming in.
[19:19] We have the bucket of revenue from our rate.
[19:22] And then we have the bucket of revenue coming in.
[19:25] From here.
[19:25] For the county itself.
[19:27] If that gets taken away.
[19:29] Then we would.
[19:30] This totally doesn't make.
[19:32] Doesn't work anymore.
[19:34] Which goes back to.
[19:35] The rate is driven by Rushville.
[19:39] And then benefits Jewel?
[19:43] That could.
[19:46] Also the goal.
[19:47] In any agreement.
[19:49] That we submit.
[19:51] Would to make Carthage in Glenwood.
[19:57] Nobody wants you to run your town and nobody wants to run you out of business.
[20:01] Nowhere in the state of India.
[20:03] OK, they they don't.
[20:05] At least my.
[20:07] I told him to worship.
[20:09] And I believe it.
[20:13] Yeah, on the summer she, I guess we're not putting in actual numbers of rates.
[20:20] In the report, in the report, are we saying that basically?
[20:24] We you know, Rush County is.
[20:28] And blended with his current character of 1.2 per capita Max 1.2.
[20:34] Municipal raid.
[20:36] And so forth, except for we would like.
[20:39] You know the townships.
[20:41] Is that what I think the most is what it's meant to be? I'm not going to intentionally save their OK.
[20:48] Unless you want to.
[20:50] What I'm going to say.
[20:52] What we need to change is the Township.
[20:56] OK, because I think if we.
[20:59] Yes, then we're kind of agreeing.
[21:03] You know, if we say we're, our conceptual problems are.
[21:08] Then were not agreed.
[21:10] And so.
[21:12] That's what I'm thinking.
[21:14] I guess something.
[21:17] From the cities perspective, I'm not talking about just but.
[21:21] Things that we are adjusted and not in quest.
[21:26] County that other counties I see this is the 1.2 and we're.
[21:30] You know we're getting close to that 1.2 under our current numbers now we lookout.
[21:35] 2031 two 1032 probably not going to be about to make.
[21:39] Rush to let the other hole.
[21:41] That's something that I might recommend is.
[21:44] Suggesting that that right be increased.
[21:46] So to what?
[21:48] OK, so that's something.
[21:52] Obviously the committee went after him.
[21:55] You know, if they want to submit.
[21:57] So yes, Jason, I'm aware that.
[22:00] You know, some cities have.
[22:02] We need one point.
[22:03] I love what we first.
[22:06] Concerned with when I represent.
[22:08] Count is that if you know you represent the city.
[22:12] If we take year to 1.5.
[22:15] They may say that's great.
[22:17] Now we'll take the County Down.
[22:19] 1.2 to one.
[22:22] So we gotta be kind of careful because.
[22:25] You know.
[22:26] That the sword could cut both ways.
[22:29] In whose head visit?
[22:32] And that would be in this case.
[22:34] He could be the county.
[22:36] Especially if we don't say.
[22:38] Oh, wait a minute.
[22:39] Then we need 1.5 on the county side too, right?
[22:43] And I'm just seeing.
[22:44] That is a mathematical example, nothing more.
[22:48] So you know, not sure it becomes.
[22:52] 8 critical issues.
[22:54] So if.
[22:55] If you would prom.
[22:57] Opposed 1.5 or let's just use that as a hypothetical.
[23:02] And Charlie, I don't know what your.
[23:05] You as an Italian response would be.
[23:08] I think I said what you might.
[23:10] Sure. Well.
[23:13] I mean, if we're trying to keep everybody, all the ones.
[23:17] You know, I mean they need more. We need.
[23:20] I understand, but.
[23:24] What happened in my?
[23:27] Disagree.
[23:31] I don't think it is going to be going on in.
[23:34] 3031 of the legislature meeting again next year and next year, you know, this is all probably going to change, I think for.
[23:41] I frankly feel they're sitting here wasting their time, but.
[23:45] It's my soapbox on it because they're going to change it.
[23:51] But we're going to do what they say to do right now.
[23:55] But I I don't know.
[23:56] I don't want to lock anything in.
[24:05] And my understanding that.
[24:07] Come to the first of the year to commit this.
[24:10] Many of the state committee.
[24:13] I'm sorry, which committee are you thought you were talking about?
[24:17] That what you're, you're sending this in and then there's a committee that's going to.
[24:22] Do it or not.
[24:22] Oh, I'm sorry. OK, let me go back to what I kind of said that there were.
[24:26] There's a couple things going on.
[24:28] The townships are going to be reviewed by DLGF and they're going to be numbered.
[24:34] OK. And they're going to have a submitted number?
[24:37] And if you're.
[24:39] A5 You might have to merge with the zero, or zero might have to merge with five.
[24:44] We don't know where that's all going to go speak to.
[24:46] The mushroom.
[24:48] Add to meet by August 1.
[24:51] Had to meet or by October One. We had two meetings by October.
[24:55] We have to have our recording by November 7th.
[24:59] After that.
[25:00] It goes into the dark deep hole.
[25:02] And we don't know what happened.
[25:04] After that, OK.
[25:06] Do you guys?
[25:07] OK, so it goes into the dark deep hole.
[25:11] And they will meet January, February mark the state legislature.
[25:16] And we'll probably get what I call SB2.
[25:20] It's just what I've labeled.
[25:21] What it might look like now when?
[25:24] For enactment in 2020.
[25:26] That's all I knew about.
[25:29] The current events that are scheduled to happen.
[25:34] Ask another question. Does it like whereas county?
[25:37] But what about the counties that are not having that? Must be what's going to happen with that.
[25:41] At this point in time, Fayette County has not.
[25:46] Yeah, we're not in two counties.
[25:49] You're in two counties. Oh, OK.
[25:51] Well, what you should do is bring 1800.
[25:55] Council President.
[25:56] And say, you know, it'd be really helpful if you.
[25:59] Abby must need.
[26:01] There's lots of good people out there that will help you.
[26:04] But you know.
[26:06] To protect.
[26:06] 50% of the Subs.
[26:09] Because they don't have time.
[26:11] Well, there's we'll have your first meeting by October one. Last time I looked it was September 1.
[26:16] So and I had new.
[26:18] Grandchild.
[26:19] Warm this morning, so I'll remember that one real well.
[26:23] So they've got 30 days in town.
[26:26] Well, I was. I didn't. I didn't go to the auditor.
[26:30] And since they talked about it.
[26:32] Super, OK.
[26:34] Well, yeah, and I'm having everybody do all kinds of things. I'm having a lawyer do one this afternoon.
[26:40] The County Attorney is running.
[26:43] That's going to be fun.
[26:45] So, you know, everybody's doing a little different thing.
[26:48] Rush County is doing it right now.
[26:51] And I.
[26:55] I really as a small town and concerned I I really do appreciate it.
[27:04] And that's the key.
[27:06] Yeah, because.
[27:09] You had good partnership with?
[27:11] Nurse county and listed.
[27:14] We continue that.
[27:16] And we can't make it if we don't have proper.
[27:19] And that includes the Township.
[27:25] Anything else?
[27:26] What do we need to meet?
[27:28] Again, we.
[27:32] Yeah, let's, let's work on our schedules. I'm, I'm very, very booked in September. We need to come up with a date.
[27:38] And and I need few weeks to come up with this.
[27:41] I'll come up with this.
[27:43] Adjusted paragraph.
[27:44] Will circulate into everybody before the meeting.
[27:47] You know, get shot.
[27:49] And I'm hoping maybe we can.
[27:52] Nail something down, let's not go too fast.
[27:55] On the next meeting.
[27:56] But they have something down.
[27:58] That basically the next meeting we devote.
[28:02] Right. And that makes it more efficient?
[28:04] Rather than us having a third meeting to custom discuss the paragraph.
[28:09] And then have fourth meeting.
[28:10] To vote.
[28:12] Does that make sense?
[28:14] People, everybody.
[28:15] OK, and you know keeps you from.
[28:19] You got to get those Township books.
[28:21] All put together and budgets all put together.
[28:24] Have the budget here and so.
[28:25] I know you're busy in September, October too.
[28:31] So.
[28:34] Probably, maybe the end of September or.
[28:37] Of October.
[28:40] My team will come up with a date.
[28:43] So I'd like to point out there's an AIMS conference for cities and families. There's and there's an Association of Counties
[28:48] conference which I may be speaking at twice, but.
[28:53] Trying to get out of.
[28:55] So yeah, there's some of those coming.
[28:58] I think that the end is.
[29:01] And in the morning it seems to work really well. I'm like last thing I need is another nightbeat.
[29:07] Do you guys?
[29:10] Do you ladies agree?
[29:12] Warnings or something like that. So.
[29:15] So if if you want to.
[29:17] Get with Gloria.
[29:18] Jimmy wouldn't kind of come up with some dates.
[29:21] Based on will will you be out to heal?
[29:24] I'm sure that's why I didn't know. Maybe we can meet October 14th at 8:00 before.
[29:32] Oh OK, send that to me.
[29:35] Take write that down please.
[29:38] October 14th.
[29:42] Right now that.
[29:44] Before council meeting. That's our next council meeting.
[29:47] Or that'll be our.
[29:54] OK, October 8th, 14th.
[30:05] Yeah.
[30:08] OK, great.
[30:09] So back to you.
[30:13] Anything else?
[30:15] I did and real quick.
[30:19] The The meeting will not be here.
[30:27] So if you vote no, you get locked up.
[30:40] That you get locked up.
[30:50] Definitely outside the door.
[30:52] Motion by Rachel.
[30:55] Thank you. Thank you.
[31:03] And you took attendance?
[31:05] Those of you that did not sign in.