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Gentlemen, if you'll gather around,

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we'll begin. And ladies,

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first of all, I would like to welcome

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all of y'all to the October

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Public Works and Planning Commission

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meeting. This is our first meeting for

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the new commission. I welcome all the

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new commissioners to this meeting. Uh I

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welcome our mayor Randy Allen to the

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meeting. It's very different for at

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least the last four years to have him

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sitting at the bench in a public works

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meeting, but he's more than welcome to

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be here.

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Rachel, if you would call the role.

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Commissioner Clark

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Dodie

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Kush

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>> present.

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>> Commissioner McGawan

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner P

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Watts

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>> here.

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>> Chairman Piery

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>> here.

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>> We have a quorum.

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>> Before we get started, I would like to

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introduce myself. My name is Steve

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Piery. I'm the chair of this uh planning

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uh public works and planning commission.

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I'd like for Mike Kush to stand up. He's

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our vice chair.

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So, everybody will know who everybody

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is.

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We have four new commissioners here.

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We'll start with the lady on the right.

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I'd like you to stand up, introduce

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yourself, tell us who you are.

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>> Hello. I'm Commissioner Kathy Watts. I

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represent District 16.

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>> Welcome.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Next,

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I'm Brendan Dowy and I represent

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>> Shawn McGowan, District 15.

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>> Now, they know who all of you are, and

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they know who to call when they have a

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complaint. But we have Mr. P in the

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back, too. I missed him sitting on the

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back row. He's one of our elder, like

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Mr. Kush and myself, you know. Uh

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[laughter] we're we're old players here.

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» That's tomorrow night.

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» And Rachel tells me we have no public

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comments.

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So we will move on to planning and

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engineering

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director Doug Damasi.

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I'm going to ask something dear. Y'all

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gonna get tired of me. Anyway, I'm going

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to ask something different of all the

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department heads. When you come up to

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the whale, tell us who you are and give

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us just a twominut splurge on what your

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office does.

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» Oh, you want him to hear you? Okay. Be

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>> nice. [laughter]

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>> Thank you.

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Mr. Chairman, and good

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evening, everyone. Hope everybody's

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doing well tonight. I'm Doug Damasi. I

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am the planning director for Rutherford

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County. I've been with the county now

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for a little over 20 years. I've been

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planning director for a little over 19.

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Our office, uh, planning and

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engineering, we're a joint department.

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Mike Hughes is the county engineer. We

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work pretty closely together. Uh, we

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handle a lot of the zoning and

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development issues that come to the

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county. We also do a lot of plat and

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plan review. New subdivisions, new site

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plans for new uh, commercial or

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non-residential buildings. Those come

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through our office. We also do things

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like uh reviewing of construction

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drawings for new subdivisions after a

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preliminary plan is approved. Then the

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next step is construction drawing as

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that comes through us. We also handle

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any kind of long range planning uh you

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know ordinance changes, things like that

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to the zoning ordinance and or the

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subdivision regulations. Uh something

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that we do that a lot of people don't

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realize in our office is we handle the

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addressing for the unincorporated areas

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of Rutherford County. So all the numbers

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that you see especially at least in the

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unincorporated areas uh those at some

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point in the past have been assigned by

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our office. So each municipality handles

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their own we don't handle the addressing

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or planning responsibilities or

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engineering responsibilities for the

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municipalities. They have their own

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staffs that handle those kind of things.

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our office does. Does anybody have any

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questions or anything?

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since we have several new commissioners

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and uh Mayor Allen as well, uh I will

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just kind of give a brief overview of

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what we typically report when we handle

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these. Uh the first thing we do is look

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at our available lot inventory. You'll

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see there's a couple of folders on

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there. That's not typical of what you'll

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see on your SharePoints. You'll see that

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there's a line there or a file there for

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August, but also a file there for

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September. That's just because public

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works didn't meet last month. So I had

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two months worth. Uh I probably just I'm

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just going to really give you an update

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over on September since that's the most

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recent one. Uh but you'll see in the

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available lot inventory. It's there's

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two separate parts of this report. Uh

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the first part of the report are

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available lots. Those are lots that are

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on the ground currently that could be

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issued building permits tomorrow if

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somebody were to come in. You'll see

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that that total available lot inventory

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right now is at 954. You'll find that on

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page six of nine pages. Uh the rest of

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that report is subdivision plats that

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have not been recorded. They're in some

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part of the approval process,

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preliminary. There's a final plat that's

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been approved and it just hasn't been

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recorded yet. So as one goes up, the

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other one typically goes down. I usually

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just report on the lot inventory. You

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can see that with 954 that's down from

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this time last year, which was at 995.

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quite a bit. um it's been going down and

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you'll see that there is a file on your

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iPads as well in that same folder with

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September. There's a chart. I like to

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put that chart in quarterly just kind of

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gives you an idea of what the trend line

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looks like. We started tracking this

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back in 2004 at the time uh Mayor Ernest

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Burgess and I sat down. Uh this would

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have been after he was elected somewhere

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in 2006 2007 time frame and asked about

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hey how could we start tracking this? We

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came up with a, for lack of a better

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word, an arbitrary date of 2004, January

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start somewhere. So, we started it there

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and we've been tracking it monthly

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since. So, that just gives you just a

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quick overview of that, what the trend

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little bit of a blip in the summer where

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haven't seen as many of our larger

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subdivisions subdivision sections be

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recorded. And building permit activity,

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which director Bell will speak about

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here a little later, just has been

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lighter this year than what we've

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anticipated or expected from years past.

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of the available lot inventory. So,

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that's something we pass along just for

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your information every meeting. Uh, if

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there's no questions on that, I will

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jump into the other part of our report

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and that is our resoning report. Sir,

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>> Doug, would you explain for the group,

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the new group, [snorts]

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>> uh, again, what the definition

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um of a of a nonrecorded plat is, the 5,898 lots?

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>> Would you explain the difference between

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the two?

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>> Yes, sir. The first part of that report,

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lots, those plats have been reviewed,

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those plats have been approved, those

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plats have been recorded, and somebody

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could come in and take out a building

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permit. The rest of that report from

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pages seven throughout the end of the

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report, those are plats and plans in

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various stages of development. For

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instance, there may be a preliminary

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plan that was approved but under

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construction right now, but no plats

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have been recorded for new lots. It

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could be just remaining lots like on

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that first page like Brewer Point's a

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good example. Um that preliminary plan

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was approved back in 2021. There are

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still 68 lots that are out that have not

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been recorded in that subdivision. So,

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they're still working through uh plats

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that they have been recorded

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in that one. But that's pretty much it.

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that just gives you an idea. So these

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part of the report is just saying, okay,

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these are plats that have been record

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I'm sorry, have been approved by the

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planning commission, but have not been

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recorded for any building permit

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activity yet. So you can see as as

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Commissioner Kush was talking about, you

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got close to five uh 6,000 lots that are

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still in some stage of of the approval

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process, but not recorded yet. And I

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will reiterate that this is just for the

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unincorporated area. This does not count

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anything inside Murphy'sboro, Smyrna,

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Lever, or Eagleville.

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>> So, just a quick question. Is there a

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statute of limitations on

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when a subdivision plat can be recorded?

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Because some some I see like 20 years

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>> Yeah. And some of them are uh there are

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vesting laws with the state of Tennessee

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and TCA. Uh typically once you see a

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preliminary plans approved and you have

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um plats that are recorded off of that

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from our standpoint that I pretty much

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locks it in. Some of these have been

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like you said existence for some time.

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There may be some that these are

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existing sections that uh like Davenport

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seation is a good example. There was

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older portions of that. Then there were

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some newer portions of that one. So

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that's why some of those seem as old as

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they are. But to answer your question,

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yes, there are there's vesting issues.

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So you just we have to everyone's kind

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of done on a case- by case basis. So

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» Question please.

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>> So when they when [clears throat] they

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are approved and and they but they are

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not recorded, what are they approved

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for? They're approved for the start of

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the development of the lots. Like for

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instance, a preliminary plan. After a

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preliminary plan, which is basically the

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master plan is approved. The next step

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is construction drawings. That's not

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something the planning commission sees,

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but that's something that our staff

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review. So the preliminary plan is the

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master plan for the entire development.

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The construction plans are for

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individual sections. So typically what

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happens is after a preliminary plan

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approval the next step is they start

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submitting construction drawings for

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section one and then sometimes they may

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submit a couple but generally it's just

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for the first sections. So it just means

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that they have the ability to move

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forward to the next step of the

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subdivision process

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>> and and just for clarity for me

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following Commissioner McGowan's

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question once they're approved is that

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indefinite or

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>> it's not indefinite. Now, like I said,

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there are vesting requirements.

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>> Yes.

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>> So, let's let's just use like today's

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standards because some of these laws

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were in effect after some of these

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subdivisions were approved, these older

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ones. So, when it comes to vesting, for

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instance, let's say some of these newer

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subdivisions, the way the state law

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reads, they've got three years to start

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getting some sort of construction

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drawings approved, start prepping the

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site for site work. If they do a certain

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amount of work based on that, then they

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are vested for an additional two years.

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Then if they start construction, then

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they're vested. I think it's another

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five years after that. It's it it's in

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the law. It's frankly it's kind of

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convoluted the way the law is written,

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but uh that that's something that we we

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keep up with. Yes, ma'am.

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>> Thank you.

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» All right. There's no other questions.

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We will go ahead and jump into the

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resoning report. Every month, well

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almost every month, we typically at the

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planning commission will consider

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resoning cases. For resoning cases, the

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planning commission is just a

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recommending body. So they will make a

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recommendation on a zoning change and

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then that recommendation comes typically

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the following month to the board of

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commissioners and we report on that

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activity at this meeting. So you'll see

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at September's meeting, this the

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September 14th meeting, there were two

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resoning requests and I'll discuss those

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briefly. Typically at this meeting, we

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will if there's no meeting in July, we

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will also have resonings on here from

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August, but this year there were no

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August resoning requests. So really, we

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just have this the two that you see on

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your agendas for September. So that

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first one is by Tom Moon for Saddlewood

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Development. This is along Franklin

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Road, which is in Commissioner

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McMurray's district. Two tracks of land.

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The existing zoning for those tracks is

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planned unit development, and they're

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asking to be zoned back to residential

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medium density. As way of a little bit

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of background and history on this, the

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planned development application for

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these properties were approved back in

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2019. There was also an amendment making

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it an aged targeted community that was

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approved by the board of commissioners

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back in April of 2021. The pattern book

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indicated a total of 124 town home town home units which were going to be

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built in fourunit buildings and I've

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included minutes from those meetings

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with the agenda packets just to give you

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a little bit of background on that. The

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planning commission also saw a site plan

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for town home construction. They did

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begin construction on access drives

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within the development but then the

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development just ceased. They never did

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complete that. So, at this point, the

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developer of the property, the owner,

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uh, is looking to develop this in a

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different manner. Instead of doing town

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homes, they would like to resone it back

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to residential medium density, which is

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one of our base zonings in the

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unincorporated area, which stands for

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residential medium density. So, they're

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asking to zone it back from plan

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development to residential medium

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density. In your agenda packets, you'll

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see that there is a concept plan. I do

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want to state, just so everybody

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understands, approval of a zoning change

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Well, what they're asking for does not

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approve the concept plan. Okay, that's

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just showing what possibly could happen

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with this. There are probably going to

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be some changes. If this were to be

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approved, then they would go through the

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result or I'm sorry, the subdivision

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process, kind of what we were talking

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about just a moment ago, preliminary

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plan, construction drawings, those kind

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of things. So, the concept plan is just

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that. It is not binding, but it does

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give you an idea of how they would like

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to progress. This property does have

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access along Frank Franklin Road. Uh T

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do DOT approval would be required for

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any new or improved access points. The

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applicants are planning to use the

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existing access point that was granted

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for the town home development which does

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include turn lanes which you can see on

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the concept plan. Uh county schools took

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a look at this as well. Uh we did relay

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their concerns to you actually a little

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fur uh earlier in the report. You can

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see that there are some comments from

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the

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uh schools about what they wanted to to

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see on that. basically that a lot of

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their concerns. Oh, I'm sorry. Here, uh,

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sub streets would need to be 0.2 miles

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or shorter unless a turnaround is

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provided. These are things we would look

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at during the subdivision process should

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this application be approved. But yeah,

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that's just a little earlier in the

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staff report. You also see that we

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describe the landscaping and buffering.

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Uh, this would be a residential single

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family development. Should the zoning be

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approved, then something move forward.

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So, that's not anything that would be

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required at that time. neither would the

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performance standards apply. Typically,

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I like to give a recap of what happened

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at the planning commission meeting and

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you'll see that in the staff report as

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well. So, commissioners had questions

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about the public notice of the meeting,

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access to the property, traffic issues,

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including the future widening of

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Franklin Road. We discussed our

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notification protocol. We discussed the

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number of access points. There is one

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primary access point, but also one for

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emergency access, which was part of the

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original uh town home development. and

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also future plans for Franklin Road at

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some point. We know that's going to be

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widened to five lanes. It's not on T

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DOT's 10-year plan right now. Frank

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Franklin Road is a state road, so of

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course they'll be the ones that will be

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responsible for uh driving that project.

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Uh there were some comments as well

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during the public hearing about property

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boundaries and blasting. Uh following

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the public hearing, the commission had

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concerns about having less control over

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an RM development than a plan

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development in school capacity. Uh the

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applicant's representative came forward

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to address questions as to why the

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change was being requested. Basically,

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the market forces as they see them are

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not favorable for town home

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construction. And again, I emphasize

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that this is only for the zoning of the

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property. This would not approve the

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concept plan. So, following that

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discussion, the planning commission

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recommended approval of the application

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by a unanimous vote. Uh I will move on

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to the second, then we'll entertain

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questions on either case. If you just

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bear with me a second as I navigate.

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The second item is for a piece of

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property on Burnt Knob Road. This is in

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Commissioner James' district. They are

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asking for zoning from residential

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medium density to commercial services.

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Uh just for the new commissioners,

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commercial services is kind of what I

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would call our middle of the road zoning

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for commercial uses. We've got three

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commercial zones. We've got commercial

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neighborhood, commercial service, and

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commercial general. uh commercial center

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is sorry commercial service is kind of

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the center of the road of the three. So

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it doesn't allow things like auto sales

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and things like that but it does allow a

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lot of other retail. So just to give you

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an idea uh this property has been the

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subject of two resoning requests since

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2018. Uh in 2018 the application was for

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CS as well. Uh it was in response to a

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zoning enforcement case. They were

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operating construction business on the

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property. That recommend application was

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recommended for denial by the planning

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commission and also by the board of

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commissioners was denied in April of

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2018. Couple years later, the

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application came forward uh an

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application came forward for office

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professional which is a lighter zone.

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Doesn't allow a lot of commercial type

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uses, retail, those kind of things, but

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does allow a lot of office uses, but

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that was also denied as well. The

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applicant again proposing to ask for

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commercial service zoning for use as a

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construction business. Uh the existing

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house will be converted into an office

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and there are plans to add a second

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structure on the property as well. Uh

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this use is classified as a construction

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sales and service which is allowed by

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right in the CS zone. The [snorts]

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applicant held a neighborhood meeting on

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August 6th. Staff was present myself. Uh

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there were questions about activity on

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the property but from our viewpoint just

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from what I saw there did not appear to

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be much opposition to the request. I'd

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say there's probably about 10 people

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that were there. Uh you'll see that

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there is a concept plan in the staff

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report as well. The access is shown onto

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Bertnob road in the parking area between

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the existing house and proposed

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structure. We have not required a

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traffic study at this point, but we

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could in the future if this is approved

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and they do submit a site plan and we

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felt that one was warranted. And any

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uh any development of the site, it

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should just be approved. It have to have

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an engineered site plan which would be

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considered by the planning commission.

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Uh landscape and screening is also

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discussed. This would require type two

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buffers along their property lines

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adjacent to any residential property

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lines and performance standards would

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also apply. Uh prior to the public

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hearing, the planning commission had

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questions about the zoning of adjacent

548
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,320
properties which staff explained using

549
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,160
RGIS the maps that we have up at the

550
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,600
meeting. Uh there were no other

551
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,280
questions. Nobody spoke during the

552
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,960
public hearing. Following the public

553
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,240
hearing, the planning commissioner

554
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,080
recommended approval of the request by a

555
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,520
vote of nine for and one against. I will

556
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,520
say that in the staff report, you'll see

557
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,200
that uh for staff's recommendation. Uh I

558
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,640
know that in the past this has been to

559
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,919
the commission a couple of different

560
00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:49,520
times. However, there have been some

561
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,280
other zoning changes in the area, most

562
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,720
notably the expansion of the Rogers

563
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,600
Group Corey to the northnortheast.

564
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,360
So staff felt a little more comfortable

565
00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,760
about it now than we did in the past. So

566
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,600
with that, I'll be happy to answer any

567
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,200
questions that you may have on either of

568
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:10,310
these zoning cases.

569
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,679
How many homes are in the the first

570
00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:17,120
reszone? The Franklin Road approximately

571
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,160
how many homes are they going to try to

572
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,640
put there?

573
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,480
>> Oh, you mean under their concept plan?

574
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,559
Okay, let me I think it's around 90 to

575
00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:23,919
100 somewhere in that range if I

576
00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:26,080
remember right now. Again, that's not

577
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,919
the approved plan. So, a lot of it will

578
00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:29,280
come back to what kind of soil they end

579
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,679
up getting and different things, road

580
00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:33,280
layouts, those kind of things, but it

581
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:41,350
looked like about 90 to 100

582
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,720
Miss Watt.

583
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,919
>> Yes. Um, so how large are the lots? Say

584
00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:50,640
is that 1.01 and two? Is that one and

585
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,240
two acre lots? Is that what that means?

586
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,080
>> No, those are the par uh those are lot

587
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,559
numbers is what you're seeing. 101 102.

588
00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:58,640
So now several of these lots are like

589
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,640
step lots, detention ponds, things like

590
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,080
that. Actual residential lots. I think

591
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,120
it's closer, like I said, somewhere

592
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,520
between 90 and 100. The minimum lot size

593
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,760
in the RM district is 15,000 square

594
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,320
feet, which is about a third of an acre.

595
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:20,950
>> Okay.

596
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,799
» Are there any more questions for Mr.

597
00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:27,430
Deos?

598
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,280
Um, so originally it was um denied by

599
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,559
the planning commission because of the

600
00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,159
blast concerns and things.

601
00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:38,000
>> Which case are we talking about? I'm

602
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,400
sorry.

603
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,760
>> The B

604
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,640
>> the second one.

605
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,039
>> Yes.

606
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,120
>> Okay. No, the second one I think it was

607
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,919
originally denied. I just think at the

608
00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:47,919
time the planning commission nor the

609
00:21:47,919 --> 00:21:49,120
county commission felt it was an

610
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,120
appropriate use of the land at the time.

611
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,559
But like I said, some of the land use in

612
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:53,919
that area has kind of evolved and

613
00:21:53,919 --> 00:22:00,870
changed. So

614
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,159
Doug, on the A project,

615
00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:06,720
>> does it change the density of the homes

616
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,840
by going from a PUB down to residential

617
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,840
medium density?

618
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,919
>> Well, you're getting they're proposing

619
00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:16,799
less houses. So, the density that you

620
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,720
would get would be consistent with

621
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,120
what's allowed in RM. So, the same

622
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,799
amount of acreage is actually going to

623
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,240
have less lots. So I guess to answer

624
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,520
your question, it would reduce that.

625
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,480
Yes, sir.

626
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,440
>> Thank you.

627
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,159
>> So it would essentially be I guess

628
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:34,559
larger homes to make up for that and

629
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,320
more expensive homes.

630
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,240
>> You know, without knowing the zoning

631
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,679
doesn't dictate the size of the homes,

632
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:43,039
just dictates the lot size. Now, I don't

633
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,360
think what you're saying is necessarily

634
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,480
inaccurate. Uh but I know that town

635
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,480
homes weren't really what the they felt

636
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,360
the market could bear. So, with a 15,000

637
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,039
foot house or a lot, you could have a

638
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,440
bigger uh envelope for a bigger house.

639
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,000
Yes.

640
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,679
>> Okay. I just know the concern for like

641
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,679
more affordable homes and

642
00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:05,440
>> um you would think that um apartments or

643
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,159
um town homes would be more beneficial.

644
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:09,200
Um

645
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,039
>> well, they were looking to do more of

646
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,520
like an age targeted type situation or

647
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,840
even to some extent age restricted uh

648
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,360
>> age. Oh, like a like a

649
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,440
>> similar the the development right next

650
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,440
door to this uh the Southern Harmony

651
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,720
development. It's an age restricted

652
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,880
community. You have to be 55 okay or

653
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,200
older to to live in that development.

654
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,799
They were doing something similar with

655
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,440
this. Uh originally this what they're

656
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,039
proposing now there would be no age

657
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:34,480
restriction. It would just be you know

658
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,159
market whatever dictate.

659
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:39,679
>> And you're just reporting to us. We're

660
00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,520
not voting yes or no as to whether or

661
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600
not we approve these.

662
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840
>> Oh, for this meeting today? Yeah. We're

663
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,120
just presenting what happened. These are

664
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:48,240
going to come to public hearing next

665
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,760
week at the county. Yes. Yes, ma'am.

666
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,400
You're not You're not

667
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,840
>> You're just letting us know what's going

668
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,159
on.

669
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:53,039
>> That's correct. Thank you.

670
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,789
>> Yes, ma'am.

671
00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,640
» I'll make a motion to approve.

672
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,559
>> All in favor say I.

673
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:03,039
>> I.

674
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,159
>> Nay. Motion pass.

675
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:08,559
>> Yes, sir. Uh just I know there's been a

676
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,720
lot of uh interest and discussion

677
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,440
regarding the upcoming public hearing

678
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,279
this coming Monday at the planning

679
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,640
commission for the data center

680
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640
moratorum. I just wanted to kind of just

681
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,559
make sure everybody was aware of that.

682
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:21,919
Uh I'm sure everybody here probably

683
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:23,120
knows that but at the planning

684
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,480
commission on Monday we'll have a public

685
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,240
hearing. We've got some other ones too

686
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,480
for resonings but but that is going to

687
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,400
be coming up on Monday for discussion on

688
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,760
that resolution. So just

689
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,240
>> what what is the course of action? So

690
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,360
say a moratorum gets approved Monday.

691
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,279
What are the following steps? Does it go

692
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,200
directly to the county commission or

693
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,240
does it come here first?

694
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,679
>> Well, what will happen? Right. What'll

695
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:45,039
happen is the planning commission will

696
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:46,640
make a recommendation kind of like we do

697
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,799
for any kind of a resoning. So after

698
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,640
that meeting then yes, it'll come to

699
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,200
public works and planning committee here

700
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,720
at that be in November and we would then

701
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,960
at before that we would advertise it for

702
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,400
a public hearing at the board of

703
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,000
commissioners November meeting. So

704
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,240
that's kind of what the general

705
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,480
guideline, general schedule would be for

706
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,279
that. Yes, sir. [clears throat]

707
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:10,960
>> Doug, you didn't mention what time

708
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,440
Monday.

709
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,000
>> Oh, I'm sorry. 6 o'clock in this room.

710
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:23,909
Thank you.

711
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:26,400
» It's a 6 p.m. The the evening meeting 6

712
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,240
p.m. The second Yeah, I'm sorry.

713
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,840
Planning Commission meets twice a month

714
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,520
except for November and December because

715
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,919
the holidays, but the second Monday of

716
00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:35,279
the month is the evening meeting where

717
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,279
we look at resonings and then the fourth

718
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,960
Monday of the month, the one we just

719
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,559
had, is a 9:00 a.m. morning meeting. So,

720
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:41,840
we're doing plats and plans at that

721
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,950
meeting. Yes, ma'am.

722
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,679
» Thank you, Doug.

723
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:51,279
>> Great. Thank you. Thank you all.

724
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,000
>> The next item on our agenda will be from

725
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,640
the highway department superintendent,

726
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:04,230
Mr. Greg Brooks.

727
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,840
» Welcome, Mr. Brooks.

728
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,559
>> Good evening.

729
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:12,320
>> How is everyone? Uh, I'll start off with

730
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,159
saying Doug's always been a hard act to

731
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:16,159
follow. He's very well spoken and always

732
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,279
has his stuff together. So, I'll do the

733
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,320
best I can to follow up what Doug what

734
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Doug says. Okay. So, I am the road

735
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,360
superintendent, elected road

736
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,039
superintendent. I've been uh I took

737
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,600
office in 2012 and this is I'm assuming

738
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,919
that you want us all a little overview.

739
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:33,200
>> Yes, sir.

740
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,279
>> So, I took office in 2012. Uh I run the

741
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:38,640
highway department. The highway

742
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,480
department is responsible for

743
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,240
maintaining our county roads. Um we do

744
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,360
our own paving

745
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,760
uh with the exception of when we uh

746
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720
contract out some state aid work. We do

747
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,080
our mowing. We have construction crew.

748
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,400
Uh we we do our own trucking for our

749
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,679
paving operation. And we also under the

750
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:03,120
umbrella of the highway department, we

751
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,279
have the public works department. The

752
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,960
public works department was organized

753
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,679
back in uh Commissioner P can probably

754
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:12,799
help me with this around 2002 2004 I

755
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,679
believe and it was uh put in place to

756
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:20,400
try to alleviate some uh localized

757
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,159
flooding concerns, drainage concerns.

758
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:27,039
So, because the highway department by

759
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,919
state law can only work on the road and

760
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:32,799
the roadside ditch, the public works

761
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,400
department can go off of the uh rightway

762
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,200
that exist in the road book and and

763
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,200
enter private property with an easement

764
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,760
from those property owners. So, that's

765
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:50,000
kind of an overview of of what we do and kind of who does what. I'm here

766
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,000
tonight to Well, let me back up a little

767
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,480
bit. The any we have a we have a seven

768
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,480
member elected roadboard and uh we they

769
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,520
meet once a month to uh discuss the

770
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,360
finances and concerns of their

771
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,880
constituents and and anything highway

772
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,960
department/public work department

773
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,000
related. We will discuss. Any action

774
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,240
taken at that meeting will that that

775
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,480
would need to be forwarded on to the

776
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,799
full county commission would come here

777
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,320
next to the public works planning

778
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,919
department for routing for lack of a

779
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:32,080
better for lack of a better definition.

780
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
It could be that if it's it's if it's a

781
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,360
financial thing, it could be uh that the

782
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,440
next stop for it after this would be to

783
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,520
send it to the budget committee or it

784
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,000
could be that it could go from this

785
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,840
committee straight to the county

786
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,399
commission depending on what it is,

787
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:52,399
whether or not I guess really whether or

788
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:55,919
not we're spending money. Uh so

789
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:00,399
any any action taken at the road board

790
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,240
will this will be the next stop for it

791
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,960
on its way to the full commission.

792
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,880
So tonight what we have for you is some

793
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,080
public works uh

794
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,360
drainage e temporary drainage easements

795
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,399
temporary construction easements. Um I

796
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,320
have for you and I think you have them

797
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,559
too. Uh couple from September because as

798
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,720
you know this this this uh committee did

799
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,039
not meet in September. So these were uh

800
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:36,880
taken at the September roadboard meeting

801
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080
and then have some from our last road

802
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,520
war meeting yesterday morning which

803
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,200
would have been October the October

804
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,960
meeting. So typically on something like

805
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,720
these drainage echments, we would group

806
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,039
them all together and you know I'd

807
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,039
present them all and you'd approve them

808
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,559
all at one time. But since we have two

809
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,799
months, let's do September and then

810
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,120
we'll do October.

811
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,919
So for September we have u

812
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:09,279
drainage easements on Pawa Springs Road

813
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,640
and what these are for is we are doing a

814
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,320
project

815
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,279
on Paw Springs Road where we're doing a

816
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:20,159
covert relline

817
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:23,279
uh and that is contracted work.

818
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,520
We bid that work out, but the uh work

819
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,559
will exceed the existing rideway. So, we

820
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,000
had to get some temporary construction

821
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,559
easements to allow that contractor to

822
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:40,159
come in and do the work. So, that's what happened in September. These

823
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:42,480
are temporary construction easements to

824
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
facilitate allow for the contractor to

825
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,440
come in and make those covert

826
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:53,029
improvements.

827
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,120
We'll need a motion to approve his

828
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,000
September easements.

829
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,320
>> Making a motion to approve.

830
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,279
>> Second.

831
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,279
>> We have a motion and a second. Do we

832
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,200
need to roll call this? There's money

833
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,630
involved.

834
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,279
» All in favor say I.

835
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:16,080
>> Opposed. Motion passes. Carry on, Mr.

836
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,039
Brook.

837
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,880
>> Okay. Next we have uh

838
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,039
a couple on um

839
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,159
what we're going to call this is more of

840
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:31,440
what we do dayto-day is it's a uh trying

841
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,080
to alleviate some drainage.

842
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,120
Um, typically

843
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,320
we we go in and

844
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,159
we have to be very careful when we when

845
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:45,360
we start talking about drainage uh

846
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,360
problems because we we have to account

847
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,880
for the water. We can't just move it

848
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,360
downstream. We have to count account for it. So these however are to

849
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,000
clean up an existing drainage easement a

850
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,799
platted drainage easement that is not

851
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,080
part of the public works drainage e

852
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,799
easement system. So we're going to go in

853
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,440
is is more really it's more vegetation

854
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,519
removal uh than it is uh dirt work so to

855
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,399
speak. uh they they've become overgrown.

856
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:19,039
The uh they've gotten away from the from

857
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,679
the subsequent property owners. I think

858
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,039
there about four or five that are

859
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,360
involved in this and they're just more

860
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,279
than they can do on their own. So, we're

861
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:32,159
going to go in and clean up the debris

862
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:35,279
and overgrowth and get it back to a

863
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,440
state where it can be maintained by the

864
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240
uh adjoining property owners moving

865
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
forward. So, we don't have to have a

866
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,200
permanent easement. We can do a

867
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,679
temporary easement.

868
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:49,679
>> I'm sorry, sir. Um, which one did you

869
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,760
say this was? I was trying to find the

870
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,640
PDF.

871
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,200
>> I'm sorry.

872
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120
>> This particular easement,

873
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,279
>> uh, it's Ventura Court and Reynolds

874
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,000
Drive.

875
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,750
>> Thank you.

876
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,990
And is it in the Fawnwood

877
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,600
subdivision, I believe, if I'm not

878
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,789
mistaken. Yes.

879
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:18,149
Sorry, I should have clarified.

880
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:30,789
But even though you see several, they all adjoin each other.

881
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,720
» We have a motion to approve.

882
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,279
>> Second.

883
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,840
>> We have a second.

884
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Mr. P

885
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,120
>> Greg, is there ever occurrence where we

886
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,559
have to pay for these temporary

887
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,720
easements or any easements?

888
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,720
>> Public works has never had has never had

889
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,320
to do that. No. The only time that I've

890
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,919
ever seen anything like that happen is

891
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,720
when we're trying to uh maybe acquire a

892
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:03,519
rideway for road improvements, which is rare. We, you know, as you know, we really don't have

893
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,080
the funds available to acquire property.

894
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,760
We we a lot of times we can do the work,

895
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,839
but acquiring the property is a whole

896
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,200
different

897
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,119
>> most of these cases people have come to

898
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,760
us and have asked for this to be done.

899
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,960
>> Absolutely. Yes, sir.

900
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,079
>> On board with it,

901
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,040
>> Yes, sir.

902
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,480
>> Thank you,

903
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,359
>> Miss Watts.

904
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:26,159
Um, sir, this is on their property and

905
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,760
they've asked us to do it. So, do they

906
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,079
pay us anything or we do this out of the

907
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:31,040
goodness of our hearts?

908
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,639
>> It it is a service.

909
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:33,040
>> Okay.

910
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,399
>> It is a service.

911
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,040
>> Thank you, Mr. Clark. Mr. Chair, and to

912
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,839
follow up on that question, what what

913
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:43,040
criteria makes you decide yes, we're

914
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,800
going to do it when there's a request

915
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,919
made as opposed to no, that's really not

916
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,440
our

917
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,240
job to do. Well, it's always it's always

918
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:54,560
case by case, but in the case of the

919
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,839
ones you see in front of you tonight

920
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:57,280
that were that were accepted by the

921
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,000
board yesterday morning, the the

922
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,240
vegetation has gotten to the point where

923
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,359
it's going to start causing flooding and

924
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:08,720
the flooding the flooding will

925
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,760
show up as you know what I what I would

926
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,280
call nuisance water where it's in

927
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,760
somebody's yard and then it will expand

928
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,839
from that and then it starts doing you

929
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:22,160
know property damage. So in an effort to

930
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,400
cretail that because once that starts

931
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,320
happening they're they're absolutely

932
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,760
going to expect some you know relief. Uh

933
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,320
it it's difficult sometimes to to decide

934
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,599
which ones are good candidates and

935
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,920
viable and should should receive help

936
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,520
from the county because as you know we we can't spend anything we

937
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,880
didn't take from someone. That's just

938
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,720
the way it is. It's unfortunate truth.

939
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:55,359
So, uh, in most cases,

940
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:58,320
people people are receptive to allow us

941
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
to come in and do the work and then try

942
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,720
to maintain it themselves moving

943
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:06,640
forward. In some cases that they don't.

944
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480
So, you know, at that point, they h they

945
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,880
have some personal responsibility,

946
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,920
accountability, I feel like. So, a lot

947
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,200
of times that would be the deciding

948
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,800
factor. Sounds like it's um you move

949
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
ahead and do the work if the situation

950
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,160
might result in a wider public damage or

951
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,040
um risk or danger.

952
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,720
>> Yes, ma'am. That that is accurate

953
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,800
>> beyond just one property owner's

954
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,040
property. When you talk about the

955
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,200
flooding, that's you never know what

956
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,400
that's going to affect. So,

957
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,160
>> yes. Yes, ma'am. That that that's very

958
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:42,880
accurate.

959
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,359
>> All right. Thank you,

960
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:49,520
Mr. P. When we originally

961
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,920
conceived of having a we call it an

962
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,400
infancy public works department, the

963
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,880
criteria for who would go on there first

964
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,880
was life safety. Uh second was property

965
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,359
damage. So that's kind of the criteria

966
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:06,800
that it started with. Uh most of the

967
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,359
ones especially the life threatening

968
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,920
ones we hope have all been taken care

969
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,040
of. If not, they're being looked at and

970
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,839
uh their board does a good job of

971
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:19,760
vetting these.

972
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,240
I know that. And our engineering

973
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,920
department,

974
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,520
you know, at one time all the

975
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,240
commissions were either rural or urban

976
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,280
when this started us rural say

977
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,920
Commissioner Piery nodding along is he

978
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,920
and I worked on this. uh Joe Frank

979
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,760
Jernigan, you know, all the royal

980
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,440
commissioners

981
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,280
u at that time didn't have urban, but we

982
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,240
needed some help. You know, if you're

983
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,400
city commissioner,

984
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,920
all you got to do is pick up the phone

985
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,760
if you're in Murphy'sboro and say, "Hey,

986
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,359
send public works out here and give me a

987
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:57,920
hand." That takes care of it. Life's

988
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,760
easy for a city commissioner sometimes,

989
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,400
but now we've got both. We got

990
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,079
commissioners that are both rural and

991
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,599
urban. And anyway, this was an attempt

992
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,200
to

993
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,720
get a public works department started

994
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,119
where we had extreme uh well danger. We

995
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,720
had property loss and there's danger of

996
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,040
people drowning from it. But anyway,

997
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,440
that's how we started and that's how we

998
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,040
actually said, "Hey, this is what we

999
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,000
want to do." But that money set aside in

1000
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,440
the budget for them.

1001
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,960
It's been a really good program over the

1002
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,880
years in my opinion that they've done a

1003
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,480
lot of good. They've helped a lot of pe,

1004
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,240
you know, they the public works

1005
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,160
department that have helped a lot of

1006
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,920
people and you know, when it was

1007
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,359
implemented, uh it it wouldn't it

1008
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,119
wouldn't exist if it weren't for

1009
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:50,640
commissioners like Commissioner P. I

1010
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,880
mean, you know, he mentioned Joe Freight

1011
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,440
Jernigan who's who's passed who was very

1012
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480
instrumental in in heading that up and

1013
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,320
getting it off the ground and buying the

1014
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,160
equipment and organizing the whole

1015
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,280
thing. And it's been it's been a good

1016
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,800
it's a very good asset for the county.

1017
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,160
It's a very good department for the for

1018
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,440
the county. There's no question about

1019
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,400
that. uh we we do what we can with what

1020
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,800
we have to work with, but unfortunately

1021
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,200
a lot of times uh you we can't just like

1022
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,880
I said we have to count for the water.

1023
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,320
We can't just move it from one property

1024
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,839
to the next property obviously but it

1025
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:28,320
it's uh it's been it's been very

1026
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,440
beneficial without question and they

1027
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,440
over the years we we have undertaken

1028
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,720
some very large very difficult projects and

1029
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:43,119
accomplished quite a bit. So, and over

1030
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,720
the over the years, you know, with the

1031
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,520
development of, you know, the this is

1032
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,000
going to sound ridiculous to someone as

1033
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,397
young as M Mr.

1034
00:39:53,397 --> 00:39:58,160
[snorts] Dy here, but you know, when we started, we we didn't really

1035
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,760
have we didn't really have the

1036
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,640
technology available to us at at the

1037
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,960
click of a a mouse. You know, we can we

1038
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,880
can turn on topographical map right now

1039
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,480
and see what the drainage basin looks

1040
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,920
like. So, a lot of areas that were built

1041
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,599
in back in the day that had had the

1042
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,280
bene, you know, that public works

1043
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,800
benefited trying to drain some of that

1044
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,839
property um would not have happened had

1045
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:23,760
we had the technology available to us to

1046
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,440
our engineering department that that's

1047
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,560
utilized now. So, it's not it's not as

1048
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,589
bad as it was for sure.

1049
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:34,720
» Abby,

1050
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,920
>> um this is definitely beneficial. Um,

1051
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,680
and like you said, it would cause us

1052
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,440
flooding flooding if that vegetation

1053
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,079
continued um to be there. Um, I just

1054
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,359
want to know, is there any way that um,

1055
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:49,280
you know, maybe the indigenous plant

1056
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,760
rescue or anything, they could, um, kind

1057
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,119
of, um, look over that and see if

1058
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,760
there's any native or endangered species

1059
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,359
that are there? Because I know they they

1060
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:00,720
like to collect those kind of things

1061
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,000
instead of just tearing it all down

1062
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,760
without looking. Like, is that something

1063
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,160
that um, has ever been done or can be

1064
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,280
done? Well,

1065
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,359
>> I know it's private property, but just

1066
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:11,119
something that we could ask.

1067
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,119
>> Typically,

1068
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:18,400
that that type of problem could show up

1069
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,599
in a in a stream bed. And most of the

1070
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:26,000
areas that we work in are are

1071
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,839
ditches that were cut into,

1072
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:34,000
you know, subdivisions to to drain the

1073
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,680
property. um to a pond, usually a a

1074
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,319
detention pond or retention pond. So, a

1075
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:42,160
lot of the endangered species don't

1076
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,839
exist because it's very the the water

1077
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:47,359
there is very intermittent.

1078
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:50,240
>> Well, native species and like as well in

1079
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:50,800
general.

1080
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,440
>> I'm sorry.

1081
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,599
>> Like native species as well, not not

1082
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,280
just endangered. I'm sorry. I should you

1083
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,760
know, just native species to Tennessee

1084
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,640
um because there's an issue of those um

1085
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,119
going away. So I was just asking that

1086
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,200
>> well I I don't I don't know really how

1087
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,960
to answer the question other than the

1088
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,640
fact that you know we we are

1089
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,720
unfortunately

1090
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,560
we live in a society where you know

1091
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,520
humans are going to come first and we we

1092
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160
try to be

1093
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,000
mindful and respectful of our of our

1094
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,160
plant life and animal life. But when you

1095
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,160
know when we're following up behind a

1096
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,119
development that has already put the

1097
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,280
drainage system in place then we we have

1098
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,359
to work we're you know having to work in

1099
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:41,920
that area.

1100
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,280
>> I understand. I just thought I'd ask

1101
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,280
because I mean if we don't have

1102
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,680
Tennessee native species we won't have

1103
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
um bees and we won't have vegetation at

1104
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400
all. So um that's why I asked.

1105
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,880
>> Yeah. Development development say put us

1106
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,200
first. It's it's hard sometimes it's

1107
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,119
hard to coexist with you know the amount

1108
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,640
of growth we have and the development we

1109
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,359
have and and

1110
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:05,200
yeah there there has to be a balance

1111
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,960
there. I agree. So, there's no way we

1112
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,480
can partner if anyone knows. I'm sorry.

1113
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,640
This is just There's no way we can

1114
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,520
partner with anyone to uh see if there

1115
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,280
is a salvageable native species that we

1116
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,040
could because there there's um

1117
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,960
indigenous plant rescues that they

1118
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,200
collect things like that to grow them

1119
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,720
and um plant them in areas that will

1120
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:30,720
benefit the community as a whole. So, um

1121
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,200
is there no way we can do that at all?

1122
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,400
We can't even ask the owners.

1123
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,760
>> Let let me intervene. Mr. Brooks,

1124
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,800
what you're not understanding

1125
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,880
is by the time Mr. Brooks gets to a site

1126
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,079
to open these easements up. The damage

1127
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,440
has already been done through excavation

1128
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,760
for development. It's gone.

1129
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,760
>> So, it's only like broken trees and

1130
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,240
things like that. There's nothing

1131
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,440
growing there.

1132
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,200
>> Is that what you're saying? your your

1133
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,599
questions I think would probably need to

1134
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,079
go toward a developer because they get

1135
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,280
there first. Mr. Brooks just second down

1136
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,119
the line. The damage has done them been

1137
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:16,400
done to what you're concerned about.

1138
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,200
I will say that that we uh

1139
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,240
we through through partnering with plan

1140
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,920
engineering and storm water uh we we are

1141
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,240
um we would be aware if if there was u a wetland for instance that that has

1142
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,960
these native plants that are you know

1143
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,880
indigenous of of a wetland or something

1144
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,280
like that. So, so we have that tool in

1145
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,520
our toolbox, so to speak, but partnering

1146
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,520
with someone outside of there, I I I

1147
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,640
really don't.

1148
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,800
>> Well, that's good to know at least.

1149
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,720
>> Can I Can I just add a couple things?

1150
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:51,200
>> Absolutely.

1151
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,079
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1152
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:52,640
>> Yes,

1153
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,720
>> Brendon. It was a good question. Uh

1154
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,040
where

1155
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,920
Greg Brooks is talking about are our

1156
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,079
what used to be grass ditches, right? Uh

1157
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,240
they are not meant to hold water. there.

1158
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,000
It's a through drainage. So when you get

1159
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,319
a heavy rain, the water just passes

1160
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:12,800
right through

1161
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,920
>> conveyance.

1162
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,800
>> Yeah, exactly. Um over time,

1163
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440
these were not maintained, not mowed. So

1164
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,200
you get large weeds, you get

1165
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,079
>> woody bird. Yeah. Bird droppings create

1166
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,440
seedlings that

1167
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,040
>> So you have just nasty brush.

1168
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,280
>> That's different than the wetlands you

1169
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,440
just mentioned, right? where they will

1170
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,440
for the most part hold some kind of a

1171
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,280
water which then you're talking about

1172
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,240
your critters and your your plants and

1173
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,640
that's when typically the storm water

1174
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,560
group or your your Rutherford County

1175
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,960
I can never say this right your ar the

1176
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,400
tree the tree guy or gal arborist or or

1177
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,440
uh there's a native the the person that

1178
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,599
studies the native species they'll come

1179
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,880
in and they'll analyze what's going on

1180
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,359
because we can't he can't we can't touch

1181
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:08,400
a wetlands

1182
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,200
>> right

1183
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,440
>> uh not without a state permission

1184
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,839
>> and then if you do disturb the wetlands

1185
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,680
you got to create a new one somewhere

1186
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,599
else you got to replace you got to

1187
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,240
replace you do a credit right so it was

1188
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,720
a good question it's just not applicable

1189
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,440
to the kind of ditches or work that his

1190
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,400
group is doing

1191
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,200
>> right imagine if you will a ditch that

1192
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,440
was cut through a subdivision 30 or 40

1193
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,800
years ago that was just like

1194
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Commissioner Kush described, it was it

1195
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,319
was just a water conveyance. Um, then

1196
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:45,520
over time it could it could it be could

1197
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,160
become overgrown or it could silt in

1198
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,599
from um debris. Uh, you know, dirt moves

1199
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,800
around. You you you have the natural

1200
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200
order of things. you know, leaves get

1201
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,520
bound up. And so, a lot of times, all

1202
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,599
we're doing is just getting it back to

1203
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,000
the original flow. We're just removing

1204
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,760
the sediment, if you will. For the most

1205
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,520
part, that's that's about what we do

1206
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,359
now, unless we're, you know, creating a

1207
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:14,079
whole new a whole new drainage system,

1208
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,400
which is which is rare currently. I

1209
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,480
mean, it's just it doesn't really happen

1210
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,800
much anymore. So, a lot of what we're

1211
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,720
doing, what we're doing is is silt

1212
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,640
removal.

1213
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,880
So,

1214
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520
>> Mr. P,

1215
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,760
>> I just wanted to point out that, of

1216
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,280
course, you've got a couple of guys here

1217
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000
that are on planning, fix to be on

1218
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,680
planning, and they'll find this out, but

1219
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,440
we actually do look out for protective

1220
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,079
animal life and plants in this

1221
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,200
community. There are maps that are not

1222
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,480
available to the public for some reasons

1223
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,200
because we don't want to advertise where

1224
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,960
some of these endangered animals or

1225
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,160
plants are, but our staff is very much

1226
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,240
aware that when development takes place

1227
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,640
in this county, that is taken into

1228
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,520
consideration. Uh I would advise you to

1229
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,960
go over and speak to uh Mr. Deamasi

1230
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
sometime since you've got a concern

1231
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,599
about this. But anyway, just to let you

1232
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,040
know, we don't just hill willy-nilly run

1233
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,160
around planting subdivisions where they

1234
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,480
shouldn't be planted. At least we

1235
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,160
attempt not to. Thank you.

1236
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,079
>> If there's no more questions for Mr.

1237
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,319
Brooks, we already have a motion and a

1238
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:36,720
second. All in favor of his report?

1239
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,200
>> Nays. Motion carries. Thank you, Mr.

1240
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,440
Brook.

1241
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,680
>> I think that's all I have for you. Thank

1242
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,270
you for your time.

1243
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,400
Next on our on our agenda is building

1244
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,599
codes from director Tanya Bale.

1245
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,400
Welcome, Miss Bale.

1246
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,800
>> Good evening and welcome to our new

1247
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,960
commissioners. Congratulations on

1248
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,760
getting appointed to the cool committee.

1249
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,760
Um, and unlike Greg and Doug, I am not

1250
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
very smooth and articulate. I tend to

1251
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,240
talk a little bit too fast with a wee

1252
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:13,599
bit of an accent. So, if I get talking

1253
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,960
too fast, just slow me down. Okay. Um, I

1254
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,240
have worked with the building coach

1255
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,440
department for 26 years. I started as a

1256
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,079
permit tech and made my way through all

1257
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,000
of the positions in the department to

1258
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,599
the director's position, which I've been

1259
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,400
in now for a little bit than 10 years.

1260
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,800
uh the building codes department

1261
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,400
does uh we start getting involved in the

1262
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,000
development process really at the

1263
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,800
application process just where I I do

1264
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,960
join Doug and planning and engineering

1265
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,079
and review um of site plans and stuff

1266
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,319
like that but just where it applies to

1267
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:51,119
building codes and uh any effect that

1268
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,079
building codes may have on those. Um

1269
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:57,760
ultimately once the uh plat plan uh has

1270
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,680
been approved by the planning commission

1271
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,160
and recorded those lots are then

1272
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,480
released by planning and engineering and

1273
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,920
therefore they're eligible for building

1274
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,160
permits. Um, so at that point when any

1275
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,640
project comes out of the ground, whether

1276
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,000
it be new construction, an addition in a

1277
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,760
private dwelling, an accessory

1278
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,319
structure, a garage, a swimming pool, a

1279
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:23,760
storage building, uh, addition, anything

1280
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,599
like that that requires a building

1281
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,839
permit. And we do the building

1282
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,880
inspections involved in that

1283
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,000
construction, both in residential and

1284
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,359
commercial. Um we we also have uh we

1285
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:41,440
also do the plans reviews etc that's

1286
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,760
involved with all of those um building

1287
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,920
projects. So we do plans reviews on them

1288
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,599
before they ever get released or before

1289
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:51,760
we issue uh building permits. We collect

1290
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,839
the school facilities tax and for those

1291
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:54,960
of you who are not familiar with the

1292
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,640
school facilities tax I'll give you a

1293
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,280
really brief overview of it. Rutherford

1294
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,960
County used to have a development tax

1295
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,920
which applied to the building lot and

1296
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,079
then the building itself. It was paid in

1297
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,599
two separate payments. The first half

1298
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,440
was paid by the developer when the lot

1299
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,119
was recorded. The second half was paid

1300
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,119
by the builder when they came in to get

1301
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,079
a building permit. The building the

1302
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:17,839
development tax was replaced by the

1303
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:21,440
school facilities tax in 2021. At that

1304
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,920
time it was adopted the count it's the

1305
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,760
county parts relief act. It's a

1306
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Tennessee state law and Rutherford

1307
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,319
County adopted it. Um it was levied at

1308
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:35,040
$1 per square foot of new living space

1309
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,200
in Rutherford County in Rutherford

1310
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,359
County in the city of Murphy'sboro,

1311
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:42,559
Smyrna, Leverne, and Eagle. So we are

1312
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,720
responsible for collecting the school

1313
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,720
facilities tax for all jurisdictions

1314
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,440
within Rutherford County. Uh in 2023

1315
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,000
um the county powers relief act was

1316
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,440
rewritten by legislation um in up in the

1317
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,440
legislature and they increased it from a

1318
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,720
dollar to $1.50. They also changed

1319
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,400
restructured the payment when the

1320
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,640
payment was due and how we collected it

1321
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,839
etc. So um it they increased it from a

1322
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:11,760
dollar a square foot to $1.50 50 a

1323
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,280
square foot and and included commercial

1324
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,760
whereas in 2021 it just applied to

1325
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,040
residential. So in 23 they then included

1326
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,559
commercial. So we collect that for all

1327
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,359
of the jurisdictions. And then we have

1328
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:29,599
another division that is property

1329
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,000
maintenance, zoning enforcement and code

1330
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,040
enforcement. So anything that needs any

1331
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,960
kind of legal enforcement um we would

1332
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,040
take care of that. So we receive

1333
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,839
complaints from constituents from a lot

1334
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:45,760
of the times it's commissioners. Your

1335
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,520
constituents will call you and you can

1336
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,319
call us and we will establish a we will

1337
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:52,079
look into it and if it violates the

1338
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,119
zoning ordinance or the code or anything

1339
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:58,079
else then we will try and um pursue

1340
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,960
enforcement or abatement on it. Um so

1341
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,720
you'll you'll see that a lot of this

1342
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,240
will be in my reports here that I'm

1343
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:07,440
going to present to you and um feel free

1344
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,040
to stop and ask me questions. these

1345
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,160
reports, we present them like this. And

1346
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,680
um we've been doing this for the last

1347
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,920
few years, but there is a lot of

1348
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,680
information that we've got that may not

1349
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,680
necessarily be in these reports. So, if

1350
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,440
there's something in here that or that's

1351
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,680
not in here that you would like to see

1352
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,200
or that you would like to hear more

1353
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,880
about or more of these numbers broken

1354
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,880
down a little bit more or a little bit

1355
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,800
better, please do let me know and I'll

1356
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,160
try and

1357
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,480
>> Mr. Chair,

1358
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,559
>> back to the school facilities tax and

1359
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,599
thank you for talking about that. Um,

1360
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,359
you told us where it came from, but you

1361
00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:44,240
did not say where it went. So, how is

1362
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:49,040
the school facilities tax used the money that comes from that?

1363
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,119
>> So, that is a commission we just

1364
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,040
collected. I'm just the offices office

1365
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,200
that collects it for you. The spending

1366
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,119
of it and the um dispersement of it is a

1367
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,920
county commission. It's way above my my

1368
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,640
pay grade.

1369
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,960
>> Okay. I I'll find out later.

1370
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,599
>> Yes.

1371
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,760
>> Thanks.

1372
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,359
All right. So, if nobody has any more

1373
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:10,640
questions about any of that, I'm going

1374
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,800
to move on to my reports. The very first

1375
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,559
report you've got is the building

1376
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,200
report. This report lists all of the

1377
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,800
building permits that were issued for

1378
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,400
the the previous month, for the month

1379
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,559
that we're reporting on. Um, you'll see

1380
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,880
that some of them have a valuation next

1381
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,040
to them. Some of our most of our

1382
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,440
building permits prior to our fee

1383
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,920
increase in 23 were based upon valuation

1384
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,559
of the project. So we took the valuation

1385
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:38,000
of the project and we um as took that

1386
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,839
value and and took it to a chart and

1387
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:41,599
that's how we got our permit fee. That

1388
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,000
chart is from directly from the code

1389
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,839
book. Um, in 2023, the county commission

1390
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:50,079
changed the way we issued building

1391
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,839
strictly just building permits, just a

1392
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:53,599
for brand new construction, new single

1393
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,680
family dwellings. And they um the permit

1394
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,119
fee is now generated at 70 cents per

1395
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:03,200
square foot under roof instead of the

1396
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,000
valuation because the valuation adjusted

1397
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,680
just changed so much and it was hard to

1398
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,040
keep up with. So, additions and remodels

1399
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,960
and all that good stuff is still done by

1400
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,800
valuation. We still do that by the

1401
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,480
contract price, by what what the

1402
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,720
homeowner is paying to get their

1403
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,559
addition done or their remodel done or

1404
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:21,839
something. That's what their permit is

1405
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:24,240
based upon. But new construction is at

1406
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,319
70 cents a square foot under roof.

1407
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:31,119
Period. Glad. So the um the list of all

1408
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,280
of the separate permits that we issued,

1409
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,040
there's a number beside them and some of

1410
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,720
them have evaluation and some of them do

1411
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,119
not. At the very end of the report,

1412
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,960
you'll see that there's a grand total of

1413
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:49,349
fees collected. Um and that is for this past month is $2717,77.

1414
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:51,920
The job cost which would be valuation of

1415
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,319
the permits that we actually value that

1416
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,160
take the valuation of. So that is not a

1417
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,240
true that would not include any new

1418
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,839
construction that 23,141,000

1419
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,319
is strictly all of the other permits

1420
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:06,559
that we do without new construction and

1421
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,599
that's just the valuation of them.

1422
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,079
The grand total of num grand number

1423
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,480
grand total number of permits issued was

1424
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,240
309 for September broken down above in

1425
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,680
the previous two pages. Um 46 of those

1426
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,440
were single family dwellings and that

1427
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,760
appears to be a focus every month.

1428
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,599
Everybody's always curious as to how

1429
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,359
many new single family dwellings there

1430
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,319
was. Um, as Doug mentioned earlier in

1431
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,880
his report, we have seen, the last time

1432
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,319
I checked, this was about three weeks

1433
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:40,640
ago, and uh, we were down to about 45%

1434
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,280
over the same time last year on single

1435
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,470
family dwelling permit issuance.

1436
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,960
Um, then below that, we have the total

1437
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,799
number of inspections that were building

1438
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:54,160
inspections that were completed, and

1439
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,480
that was 2284.

1440
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Um, we have zoning inspections, which I

1441
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,319
will go over in just a second. And then

1442
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:04,720
miles driven is 10,837.

1443
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:08,319
And then below that, we do last month um

1444
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,559
total fees. Last month total number of

1445
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,240
permits and last month same or excuse

1446
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,440
me, same month last year total uh fees

1447
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,119
and same month last year total permits.

1448
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:18,960
And that's really just to give you an

1449
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,359
idea of kind of how things are are

1450
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:25,589
moving and flowing.

1451
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,119
Does anybody have any questions on that

1452
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,230
report?

1453
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,040
» How was how are the building permit fees

1454
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,960
for like things like swimming pools or

1455
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,400
things that aren't under roof? How are

1456
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:36,799
they calcul?

1457
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:38,559
>> So, they're based on valuation. They

1458
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,720
would bring us a copy of their contract

1459
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,319
um that whatever they're building,

1460
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:44,480
whether it's a remodel or the remodels

1461
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,440
are done by um cost of the contracts.

1462
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,599
Women pulls are cost of the contract.

1463
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,200
Additions are done based on square

1464
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,040
footage because it's new single family.

1465
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,680
It's new square footage. Um,

1466
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,440
and I'm glad I would be happy to break

1467
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,960
all this down for you. I mean, if if

1468
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,200
there you're curious about any of this

1469
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,960
stuff and want it explained further,

1470
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,720
please feel free to drop by my office

1471
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,760
anytime. Happy to run it all explain it

1472
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,160
all.

1473
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,920
>> M. Watts.

1474
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,520
>> And so this is just in the

1475
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,520
unincorporated areas of the county. It

1476
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:15,760
is

1477
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,440
>> because the city has their own permit.

1478
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,160
>> Correct. Okay.

1479
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,079
>> So the building permits are strictly

1480
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,680
unincorporated Rutherford County. The

1481
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,880
school facilities tax that we're going

1482
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,480
to get into in just a second is

1483
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,400
countywide. That is all four

1484
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,079
jurisdictions and unincorporated

1485
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,040
Rutherford County.

1486
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,119
>> Thank you.

1487
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:32,079
>> All right. So,

1488
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:37,200
>> Mr. P, one thing I might mention is her

1489
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,079
department, same thing with uh planning

1490
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,079
engineering.

1491
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,280
when they have fees, we look at those

1492
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,240
and what we're trying to do is make

1493
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,640
these offices uh self-sufficient, I

1494
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,319
guess, is the word. You know, the the

1495
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:56,319
money that they take in goes into the

1496
00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:58,880
general fund, but it reflects on their

1497
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,079
budget, too. Some offices generate a lot

1498
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,200
of revenue, you know, some don't, but we

1499
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,839
upgrade. you were asking specifically

1500
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:12,000
about what why this cost whatever but

1501
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,799
occasionally we will update that. Uh we

1502
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:17,200
look at other counties, other

1503
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,920
municipalities, places, see what the

1504
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,359
fees are. Sometimes we get u unfunded

1505
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:26,000
mandates handed down to the state from

1506
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,760
the state to us. And uh what we try to

1507
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,240
do is for instance we had to start

1508
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,400
putting up silt fences here about 15

1509
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,880
years ago or maybe but we had to have

1510
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,920
people go out and inspect it and to pay

1511
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,440
for that we actually raise the price on

1512
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,839
getting that permit to help us pay for

1513
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:46,240
that.

1514
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,119
>> Right.

1515
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,839
>> So that's that's basically you know

1516
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:52,720
where these fees how they're generated

1517
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,559
and sometimes how they're updated.

1518
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:56,240
>> Right. So, I can only speak for building

1519
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,400
codes. In building codes, it's industry

1520
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,599
standard that the departments typically

1521
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,480
only charge fees enough so that their

1522
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,880
revenue doesn't ex excuse me, their

1523
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,960
budget doesn't exceed their revenue. It

1524
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,200
that's how it's that's how we um

1525
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,200
determine what our fees and stuff are.

1526
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Um this last fee increase, we were able

1527
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,799
to leave all of the additions and um

1528
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:20,400
swimming pools and all that good stuff.

1529
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,240
We we did not increase those. We just

1530
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,720
increased um building permits and new

1531
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,640
addition commercial additions.

1532
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,799
Um but the commission wanted to leave

1533
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:34,400
anything that the homeowner cost the

1534
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,760
homeowner any money, they wanted to

1535
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,280
leave it alone. So if the homeowner was

1536
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,680
doing a remodel or a swimming pool or a

1537
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,359
storage building or something, those

1538
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:43,680
were left alone. We just increase the

1539
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:48,309
new construction permits.

1540
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:51,280
So we will move on to

1541
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,640
the school facilities tax report is uh

1542
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,400
done on a fiscal year. It's done from

1543
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,599
July 1 through June 30th um of every

1544
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,920
year. And like I said, we collect school

1545
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,559
facilities tax on the back end of the

1546
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:06,400
project. So the school facilities tax

1547
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,160
becomes due when the project is

1548
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,559
substantially complete but before the

1549
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,720
certificate of occupancy is issued. So,

1550
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,480
typically we encourage them to come in a

1551
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,839
couple of weeks before they're looking

1552
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:20,559
for a final CO so that they're not stuck

1553
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,359
at the very end trying to um they don't

1554
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,119
get held up at the end trying to pay

1555
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,240
their school facilities tax because um

1556
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,799
this is in the cities of Smyrna,

1557
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:33,680
Murphy'sboro, Leverne, and Eagleville

1558
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,680
too. So, um we have we work really well

1559
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,599
with um we haven't had any problems with

1560
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:41,119
inside the jurisdictions. We work really

1561
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:42,720
well with the cities of Murphy'sboro,

1562
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,040
Smyrna, and Leverne. Um they send us

1563
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,720
reports on a monthly basis of all the

1564
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,240
cos that they've issued. We cross

1565
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,280
reference them with all of our um SFTs

1566
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,480
to make sure that everything's been

1567
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,640
paid. And um

1568
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,079
that's it. So for the month of

1569
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:04,789
September, we collected uh 1,119,884

1570
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,880
in school facilities tax.

1571
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,040
Um, the row below that is development

1572
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,440
tax. As Doug mentioned in his report, we

1573
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,839
do have still have some random

1574
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:17,920
development tax lots that are floating

1575
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,000
out there that have never been built on

1576
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,680
because they were established under the

1577
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,160
development tax law. They are um we we

1578
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,240
just collect the other 750 when they

1579
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,760
come in to get their building permit.

1580
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,359
The school facilities tax does not apply

1581
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:32,720
to them because we don't double tax

1582
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,520
them. So you'll every now and again

1583
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,599
you'll see the odd development tax law

1584
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,119
be developed, but they're few and far

1585
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:40,880
between. They're floating around there,

1586
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,520
but yes.

1587
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,240
>> So quick question. We saw before that

1588
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,640
permits and everything is is is down

1589
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,880
compared to last year, but yet the

1590
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,799
school facility tax is so far the

1591
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:55,200
highest during the year. So do we have

1592
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,200
roughly what what's the lag from the

1593
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,880
time maybe a permit's issued to the time

1594
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,400
we collect the tax? like when are we

1595
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,880
going to see the boomerang offset of

1596
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,319
lower school facilities?

1597
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:07,119
>> That's a really good question. So, um I

1598
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,359
the average single family dwelling

1599
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:11,680
depending on the size takes about a

1600
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,319
builder about 6 to 8 months to build.

1601
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:16,480
Bigger ones obviously and if the

1602
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,240
homeowners building their own house it

1603
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,400
may take longer. Commercial projects are

1604
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,559
also included in this number and they

1605
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,720
take longer. So they take sometimes a

1606
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,559
couple years to build. Um so

1607
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,280
it probably six eight months we did see

1608
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,960
when we had the school facilities tax

1609
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,200
from 21 to 23 we were collecting it half

1610
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,799
of it up front and half of it on the

1611
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:39,039
back end. However, all of the builders

1612
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:40,880
chose to pay for it up front just to get

1613
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,280
it out of the way. So when the state

1614
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,520
legislature rewrote that law and decided

1615
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,119
that we couldn't collect it until the

1616
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,440
back end, we did see a lag. You'll be

1617
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,039
able to see in

1618
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,559
uh 24 2425

1619
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,119
if you'll look along the school

1620
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,359
facilities tax you'll see those numbers

1621
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,680
were really low and that's that was that

1622
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,640
period of time where we couldn't collect

1623
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,880
until the end. We'd already collected

1624
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,319
the ones that we'd issued on the front

1625
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:11,839
end and then the new ones that we issued

1626
01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:12,960
we couldn't collect till the end. So

1627
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,760
there was a six eightmonth period where

1628
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:21,750
it was low.

1629
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,440
» All right. And if nobody has any more

1630
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,520
questions on on that.

1631
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,280
>> Yes.

1632
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,119
>> We don't do a lot of commercial work in

1633
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,319
the county, but when we do

1634
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:34,319
their numbers are just lumped in with

1635
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:35,839
this. They're all lumped in together.

1636
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:37,920
Right. Okay. And I am happy to and

1637
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,079
that's one of the things I'm happy to

1638
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,000
break this down if you would prefer to

1639
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,480
see this Murphy'sboro

1640
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,920
and broken down every month. I'm happy

1641
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,160
to do that. Um this is lumped together,

1642
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,720
but our system does have it broken down

1643
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,000
so we I can populate a report.

1644
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,160
I just don't want to get into too many

1645
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,039
numbers and too hard to follow, but I'm

1646
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,119
happy to do whatever you want. So just

1647
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,640
let me know. And then uh the zoning

1648
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,760
report, this is the uh zoning

1649
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,599
enforcement. This is zon zoning

1650
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:13,520
enforcement, code enforcement, property

1651
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,400
maintenance. Um this is and I we've

1652
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,920
tried to break it down to the different

1653
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,960
types of violations that we see. The

1654
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,039
toll weeds and grass, open storage,

1655
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:24,720
property maintenance, junkyard,

1656
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,960
substandard, noise, vacant and

1657
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,359
dilapidated structures, occupied RVs,

1658
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:32,880
unapproved businesses, BZA violations,

1659
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,400
illegal burning and dumping. Although

1660
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,000
the fire department pretty much takes

1661
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,520
care of those. We really need to remove

1662
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,839
that one. But um and then reinspe

1663
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,839
reinsspections citations that we've

1664
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:43,760
issued and some when they end up in

1665
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:49,910
court.

1666
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,079
So the very first one along the top is

1667
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,160
the initial investigation of that seven

1668
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,640
the 70 new cases that we um established

1669
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,720
in the month of September. The rest of

1670
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,039
them would all be uh inspections and

1671
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:10,789
reinspections of some sort.

1672
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,559
And if you don't have any questions,

1673
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,000
that concludes my report.

1674
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,520
>> Mr. Chair,

1675
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,520
>> I'd like to go back, please, uh, to your

1676
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,640
you made a statement. We do not want um,

1677
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,039
we don't want our budget to exceed our

1678
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:25,280
revenues.

1679
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,520
>> So, does that budget include the

1680
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,520
salaries of the people who work in your

1681
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:29,920
office?

1682
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,680
>> Yes, it does. Yes. So it so fees are

1683
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,359
structured in order to cover the costs

1684
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:40,079
of operating as well as the salaries and

1685
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,079
benefits of the people who work in your

1686
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:42,559
office.

1687
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,359
>> Historically industrywide, that's kind

1688
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:49,280
of how we um

1689
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,119
determine whether it's time to increase

1690
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,839
fees. If that number is too close or

1691
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:56,000
falling behind, then we then it's time

1692
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,359
to review fees.

1693
01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,039
>> Yeah.

1694
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,960
What? Two years ago? Three years ago?

1695
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,240
>> Yes, it was in 23.

1696
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:02,640
>> Yeah,

1697
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,960
>> we were operating in the red. So that's

1698
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:05,440
when we

1699
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,359
>> Was it 23 or

1700
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:08,319
>> fees?

1701
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:11,039
>> 23 or 24

1702
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:16,309
for fees when we did fees? 23?

1703
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,720
» 23.

1704
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,680
So that affects the capacity of of um

1705
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,920
that that affects the county's ability

1706
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,359
to give salary raises to employees

1707
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:33,119
because it's linked to the fees that are

1708
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,119
generated by the work of the county.

1709
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:38,079
>> Again, that that's not my that's HR.

1710
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:39,680
That's kind of

1711
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,960
>> just thinking out. Yeah,

1712
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,240
>> just thinking

1713
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,240
>> I I work on my budget. I am given a

1714
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,640
salary. um insuranceances and stuff from

1715
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,160
the finance department

1716
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,760
>> and I

1717
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,480
>> um plug those into my budget along with

1718
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,559
the other needs that I have and that's

1719
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:58,559
how I get my total budget.

1720
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,079
>> I don't I don't

1721
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:01,039
>> assign my salary.

1722
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:02,720
>> That's a good that's a good Sonia

1723
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,359
question, but I don't I don't think I

1724
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:08,720
could be way wrong. I don't think 100%

1725
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:13,680
of her salaries are tied to the fees. I

1726
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,960
don't I don't think that

1727
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,000
>> 100% of my salaries are in my budget

1728
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,799
>> or in your budget, right? But I don't Is

1729
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,279
it true that a 100% of your budget is

1730
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,080
tied to the fees, though?

1731
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,640
>> I I'm not I'm not sure if the

1732
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,080
>> So, historic I'm just saying

1733
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,000
industrywide, I mean, the finance

1734
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,440
director and the HR director and

1735
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:34,799
probably the mayor's office would

1736
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:36,480
probably be better people to answer this

1737
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:39,440
for you. Industrywide, it is u the

1738
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:42,000
building codes department is typically

1739
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,279
do not

1740
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,679
they they're self-sustained. Their fees

1741
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:47,839
cover their bid their budget. Yes. Their

1742
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:49,600
revenue covers their budget.

1743
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,640
>> Okay. Thank you.

1744
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,640
>> And so when when they get too close or

1745
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,799
when they get unbalanced, then we know

1746
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:56,960
it's time to review fees.

1747
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,640
>> And I think fees are reviewed about

1748
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,520
every six or seven years. It's not

1749
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,839
something we do every year.

1750
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,080
>> Do we have any more questions on Miss

1751
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,920
Bill's report as she has given it? If

1752
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,839
not, we will need a motion. Motion to

1753
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:14,319
approve the report. Mr. Chairman,

1754
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,480
>> we have a motion and a second. Everybody

1755
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,480
in favor say I.

1756
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:19,199
>> I.

1757
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,239
>> Nays. Motion pass. Thank you, Miss Bell.

1758
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:25,669
>> Thank you.

1759
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:29,600
» Next on our agenda will be solid waste

1760
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,319
and convenience center director Matt

1761
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,880
Davis. Welcome, Matt.

1762
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,669
>> Thank you.

1763
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:41,679
I'll say yes. My name is Matt Davis. Uh

1764
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:43,359
I've been with the county solid waste

1765
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,640
department for seven years this month.

1766
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,920
Uh I started as a rolloff driver and um

1767
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,560
now I'm solid waste director. Uh it's an

1768
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,239
honor to serve and our department is u a

1769
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,320
lot of great people.

1770
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,239
We're responsible for operating the 14

1771
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,320
convenience centers where residents

1772
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,320
outside the city of Merbsboro but inside

1773
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,760
the county bring their waste. Uh we

1774
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,000
inside that operate recycling programs

1775
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,000
and try to divert material away from the

1776
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,920
landfill where we can. Um we run a fleet

1777
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:20,960
of about 15 drivers more days than not

1778
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,880
to uh service all of the convenience

1779
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,280
centers and schools in the county.

1780
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,120
We're also responsible for operating the

1781
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,280
transfer station that opened last year.

1782
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:36,480
Uh we operate the scale house and um

1783
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,040
oversee you everything on site for

1784
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,159
safety and loading um operating the the

1785
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:46,560
transfer station. Uh we also um are

1786
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,880
responsible for maintaining and uh

1787
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,920
keeping up the two landfills on county

1788
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,640
property that are not used anymore.

1789
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,719
And um

1790
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,560
that's pretty much the the different

1791
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,120
areas that our department covers.

1792
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,280
Um,

1793
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,120
so with that, I I'll go into my report

1794
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,280
if that's okay.

1795
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,880
And I want to start tonight a little

1796
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,320
different. I usually try to mention

1797
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,800
somebody that's uh done something in our

1798
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,239
department. And I'm sad tonight

1799
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:19,360
um to make you aware that um our

1800
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,360
attendant, Donna Neely, passed away

1801
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,320
September 23rd after a a health battle

1802
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,640
over the summer. She had been with us

1803
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,360
almost seven years. Um, I'll quote her

1804
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,120
obituary when I say that she was known

1805
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,360
for her stubborn spirit, her generous

1806
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,920
heart, her hard work in nature. She

1807
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,000
loved her garden and fishing, watching

1808
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,840
hummingbirds, and raising her bassad

1809
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,840
hounds.

1810
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,440
My heart and mind, the hearts and minds

1811
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:46,719
of our whole department are with Donna's

1812
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,320
husband, Wendell, and their entire

1813
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,000
family.

1814
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,920
We miss her and we grieve with all of

1815
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:58,454
them.

1816
01:11:58,464 --> 01:12:00,630
» [snorts]

1817
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,189
» Okay. Um,

1818
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:06,960
so I like to use my PowerPoint through

1819
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,600
the report. Um, basically this first

1820
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,600
part is what we collect at the old

1821
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,800
county landfill. Um, residents and

1822
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,719
businesses can bring us brush uh for

1823
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:19,840
which we charge $30 a ton and then we

1824
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,640
manage that after they dump it. Um, in

1825
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,679
August was 115.28 28 tons of brush for

1826
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:27,280
3,476

1827
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,120
of revenue. September was 211.9 tons of

1828
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:36,709
brush for $7,268.

1829
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:38,560
On the same property, we managed tires

1830
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,640
that are turned in for recycling. In

1831
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,000
August was 1,290 tires, a revenue of

1832
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,800
$2,167.

1833
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,400
September was 1498 tires for a revenue

1834
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:55,189
of $3,519.

1835
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:58,320
on our collections. Uh we picked up

1836
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,640
2379.75

1837
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,239
tons of waste from convenience centers

1838
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:06,719
in August. September was 2,279.59

1839
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:08,719
tons.

1840
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:11,840
At the schools in August, we got 456.24

1841
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,960
tons. September was 528.23

1842
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,679
tons.

1843
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,800
Recycling collected across the county in

1844
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,400
August was 440.16 tons gave us a

1845
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,550
recycling rate of 13.44%.

1846
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,920
September we collected 411.18 tons gave

1847
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,070
us a recycling rate of 12.77%.

1848
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,239
The total that we managed in August was

1849
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,400
3,276.15

1850
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:48,229
tons and in September was 3,219 tons.

1851
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,760
In the transfer station, we track our

1852
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,040
customers who pay cash every visit or

1853
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,920
credit or check. And we also track our

1854
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,560
account customers. Uh and then we pull

1855
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,440
out WM's our biggest customer. We track

1856
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,440
how much tonnage that they're bringing.

1857
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:07,360
Uh in August, you can see that total was

1858
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,280
9,519.4

1859
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:13,280
tons. September was 9,91.22

1860
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,310
tons.

1861
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,360
Last month ended the quarter also and so

1862
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,360
we report the origin of waste processed

1863
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,920
through the transfer station. Uh for the

1864
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,840
full quarter, Rutherford County brought

1865
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,360
87%

1866
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,000
excuse me 87% of that waste came from

1867
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,120
Rutherford County, 12.1% from Wilson

1868
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,679
County, a half a percent from Davidson

1869
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:39,040
County, and 0.4% from all other counties

1870
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,229
combined.

1871
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,640
Uh we'd like to remind everyone in the

1872
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,159
county that hazardous waste collection

1873
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:49,520
is this coming Saturday from u 8:00 am

1874
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,480
to noon at the city solid waste facility

1875
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:55,280
on Florence Road. U there's more

1876
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,920
information on our website at rutherford

1877
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,679
county tnm.gov/solid waste but uh it's

1878
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:03,760
one of two times per year that you can

1879
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,280
dispose of hazardous waste from your

1880
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,510
home for free.

1881
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,120
Uh couple things that we're following up

1882
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,800
on just from uh previous committee

1883
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,120
meetings. Uh we started our mattress

1884
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,640
recycling August 11th and then um have a

1885
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,440
an update already. I heard today I got a

1886
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:24,320
final report or a a more current report

1887
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,400
as we're just over,900 mattresses

1888
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,880
collected.

1889
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,480
I'm really proud of the work that we did

1890
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,320
with starting this mattress recycling

1891
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,800
program. uh we took steps before it

1892
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,360
started to train our attendants across

1893
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,840
the department and then to do more

1894
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,280
training with the attendants that are

1895
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,719
actually receiving these on the four

1896
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:44,239
sites.

1897
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,159
And it's been surprisingly smooth for

1898
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:50,239
us. Um we haven't had any trouble with

1899
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,560
uh payments or more complaints than

1900
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,360
normal. Um we haven't had any issues at

1901
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,520
all with the trailers and ramps. Our

1902
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,080
vendor has done a great job of um

1903
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,760
monitoring inventory and swapping the

1904
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,320
trailers when we need to. And so I'm I'm

1905
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:05,840
really proud our department has done a

1906
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,679
good job of starting this mattress

1907
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:10,239
recycling program is it will save

1908
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:13,120
700,000 cubic feet per year of a

1909
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,280
landfill space that is very scarce in

1910
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,880
Tennessee.

1911
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,040
Um, the other thing is something this

1912
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,080
committee has um talked about from time

1913
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,080
to time is security cameras in the uh

1914
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,600
all of our properties, especially the

1915
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,840
convenience centers. And I just want to

1916
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,440
update that we've been working hard with

1917
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,400
OIT to develop a plan.

1918
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,840
Of course, the plans are different for

1919
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,600
every convenience center. Those

1920
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,800
properties are all very different. Uh we

1921
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,239
have a potential vendor that we're

1922
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,280
working with and um we've met with them

1923
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,040
in person. We've gone out to most of the

1924
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,440
convenience centers with them, you know,

1925
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,120
discussing everything from the placement

1926
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,920
to the infrastructure that's available

1927
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,320
there to support the data connection.

1928
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,960
Uh, but I I want to um thank this

1929
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,040
committee for bringing this forward,

1930
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,199
especially Commissioner P. You brought

1931
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,120
it up a few times.

1932
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,199
this really will be an investment that

1933
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:11,679
makes our community center safer and um

1934
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:13,280
you know we we need that record of

1935
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,560
what's going on when something does

1936
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,480
happen in the center and so I I

1937
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,880
appreciate that. I expect next month I

1938
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,560
should have a full proposal with pricing

1939
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,040
and u a schedule for deployment of

1940
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,960
those.

1941
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,679
Um

1942
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,679
I have a couple more things for you but

1943
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,400
that concludes my normal monthly report.

1944
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,400
Are there any questions for his normal

1945
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,800
report?

1946
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,080
>> Mr. McGallen,

1947
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,600
>> commissioner uh director. So for

1948
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,560
recycling, when you put the recycling

1949
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,880
numbers up there, that is the recycling

1950
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,960
that runs through the convenience

1951
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,280
centers or is that the total recycling

1952
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:52,480
throughout the county?

1953
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:54,560
>> That's the total for the whole county

1954
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,480
for everything we pick up. It would

1955
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,560
include the schools and county offices

1956
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,800
with the convenience centers. But if

1957
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,440
some is there a way within the county if

1958
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,159
someone has a third party especially in

1959
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,800
the cities that pick up their recycling

1960
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,440
because you know I know that the m

1961
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,360
municipal solid waste is tracked by

1962
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,080
origin and destination by Tekk. Is there

1963
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,800
anything similar for recycling?

1964
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,560
>> I know the city of Mersboro tracks

1965
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,520
theirs. Uh we we report it to TK

1966
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,800
annually and we I received that

1967
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,719
information from them

1968
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:28,400
>> for their one convenience center.

1969
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:28,880
>> Yep.

1970
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,480
>> Okay. I just know like in my

1971
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,040
neighborhood some people pay to have a

1972
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,880
private third party come in and pick up

1973
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,040
their recycling and and I know we're

1974
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,000
supposed to hit a 25% diversion rate but

1975
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,560
that's really based on the entire

1976
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,480
county's MSW of roughly you know 420,000

1977
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:47,920
tons a year or so.

1978
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,520
>> Couple things there. Those companies

1979
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,920
should be reported to TAC but I don't

1980
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,560
have hands on that. Um

1981
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,600
and so we you know it should get to TAC

1982
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,880
that way and get into the annual

1983
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,800
progress report there. The other thing

1984
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,679
is that um of course we count our

1985
01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:08,080
recycling rate. It is very important. We

1986
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:12,159
want it to be higher. Uh but that 25%

1987
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,480
rate from the state would include

1988
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:16,400
business and industrial also. That's

1989
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,719
what pulls us up above it every year.

1990
01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:21,920
>> Okay. And then with also back to

1991
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,400
recycling, at the end of the school year, we had the

1992
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,000
young gentleman talk about how they're

1993
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,080
doing it. He his project was to have

1994
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,400
recycling at Central

1995
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,239
Magnet has and it was supposed to

1996
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:35,840
continue there and looking at rolling it

1997
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,080
out at other high schools. Has that

1998
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,239
happened that we know of?

1999
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,840
>> I want to touch on that in a moment. Um,

2000
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,320
we got a grant from Tekk last year that

2001
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,719
we're going to ask the for a budget

2002
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:51,520
amendment to restore that money. We can

2003
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,400
do that. This will roll out a much more

2004
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,239
robust recycling program to I believe

2005
01:19:58,239 --> 01:19:59,679
that says to the middle schools in the

2006
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:01,199
county first, but it's coming.

2007
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,440
>> I don't want to ruin the surprise. And

2008
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:05,520
then with that hazardous waste

2009
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,360
collection, is that also available on

2010
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,960
social media for us to

2011
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,159
>> forward? So that's on

2012
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,000
>> um it's been on the county social media

2013
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,560
and the the solid waste social media for

2014
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,679
a while.

2015
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,520
>> Um and that that of course is sharable

2016
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:18,480
with anybody.

2017
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:20,159
>> Okay. Thank you,

2018
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:21,679
>> Mr. Chair.

2019
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:23,440
>> Mr. Clara,

2020
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:27,040
>> um do you promote the hazardous waste

2021
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,080
collection through the MTSU system of

2022
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,080
communication because that that reaches

2023
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,920
another large?

2024
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,360
>> We make sure that they're aware of it

2025
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,920
kind of on an administrative level. Mhm.

2026
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,480
>> Beyond that, I don't know how MTSU

2027
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:41,760
promotes it.

2028
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,640
>> Um, but they would be welcome.

2029
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,719
>> Individuals connected to MTSU would be

2030
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:48,320
welcome.

2031
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,320
>> Sure. And um um to the to the

2032
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,640
convenience centers. First, I want to

2033
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,760
say that I've recently

2034
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,320
gone to the Epsom location and the

2035
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,920
Bradyville Pike location and

2036
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,320
I just want to give kudos to the people

2037
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,280
working there. They were under it was

2038
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,360
hot and they were friendly and helpful

2039
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,640
and I told them thank you and I said I'm

2040
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,440
going to tell the solid waste director

2041
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:22,560
but I just want it to be known in this

2042
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,440
recording that the people in those two

2043
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:28,239
locations and I'm sure in the others are

2044
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:31,360
doing really unpleasant work with great

2045
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,080
attitudes and I appreciate that.

2046
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,239
It's been a hot summer and and all of

2047
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:38,159
our attendants have done a fantastic job

2048
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:40,320
of of serving the county.

2049
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,360
>> And to clarify, you said earlier that

2050
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,600
this is available for people residents

2051
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,920
of Rutherford County outside of the

2052
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,760
cities. Is that what you said?

2053
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:50,800
>> Um

2054
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:51,600
>> because I'd like to know

2055
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,719
>> that's what we collect.

2056
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:53,199
>> Uhu.

2057
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:55,920
>> The this household hazardous waste event

2058
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,239
is actually anybody in Tennessee can

2059
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:00,880
come to it because it's funded by Tekk.

2060
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,800
But for the convenience centers, anyone

2061
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,560
a Rutherford County resident?

2062
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:05,199
>> Absolutely.

2063
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:06,880
>> Okay, that's what I wanted to know

2064
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,679
because if so, I I just told you I broke

2065
01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:11,440
the law. [laughter]

2066
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,120
>> No, I just wanted to clarify that it's

2067
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,440
anyone within the county.

2068
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:16,800
>> So, even if you live in the city of

2069
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,639
Mersboro, you have a bulk item or

2070
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:20,880
something, you still pay county taxes

2071
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,960
and you're welcome to to use our

2072
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,679
centers.

2073
01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:25,360
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

2074
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,360
>> You're not a scoff law yet,

2075
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,000
>> Miss Watts.

2076
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,800
>> Thank you. Um, Matt got a couple of

2077
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,480
questions about convenience centers.

2078
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:37,189
Will Haley Road ever reopen?

2079
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:38,639
» I would definitely have to follow up

2080
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:41,840
with you on that. Um,

2081
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,320
the the short answer may say the best

2082
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,800
answer is there's a conversation

2083
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,239
happening with us and the city of

2084
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,719
Mersboro right now

2085
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:54,000
that could replace Haley Road. and um

2086
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,520
>> because that was one of the places you

2087
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,239
could take electronics and now they're a

2088
01:22:58,239 --> 01:22:59,679
lot further out.

2089
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:01,120
>> I think we're going to have something to

2090
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,719
present on that next month.

2091
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:03,280
>> Okay.

2092
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,239
>> And um

2093
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:05,760
>> do you have an update on the Leverne

2094
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,840
Convenience Center? What's going on with

2095
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:08,800
that?

2096
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,480
>> I'm aware that a couple of properties

2097
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:14,159
have been looked at, but uh there's no

2098
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:17,040
movement on those unless the mayor has

2099
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:17,920
anything.

2100
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,360
>> Okay.

2101
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,080
>> Thank you,

2102
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,639
>> Mr. P.

2103
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:27,120
>> Well, I want to back up to the transfer

2104
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,880
stations you had on your chart up there

2105
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,400
uh that we have cash uh people that pay

2106
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,239
cash

2107
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:38,800
>> and what what are the different payment

2108
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,520
methods that we have and then I want to

2109
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,880
know if any of them are in a rears.

2110
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,280
Um, first question first. Uh, cash cards

2111
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,199
or checks. People that don't have

2112
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,960
accounts that just pay for each load as

2113
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,320
they come and go. Um, honestly, very

2114
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,159
little of its cash. You know, I think we

2115
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,159
get a couple hundred dollars a day in

2116
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,280
cash. The rest is all electronic and a a

2117
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:08,629
rare check we get. on the accounts.

2118
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:11,600
I'm aware of one that's in a rears to a

2119
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,199
point where they can't uh use their

2120
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:20,000
account right now and um

2121
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,560
that normally gets resolved very quickly

2122
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,639
and so I don't know, you know, it's it's

2123
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:26,320
been a matter of days since that notice

2124
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,480
went out to them. So I would be very

2125
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:30,239
surprised if it's not cleared up very

2126
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:39,110
quickly. But um

2127
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,199
» Mr. Dabby, did you say the hazardous

2128
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:43,520
waste collection was monthly or

2129
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,280
>> No, that we do that twice a year through

2130
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,679
Tekk. Uh there's a date in April and

2131
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:49,280
then this coming Saturday is the other

2132
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:50,000
one this year.

2133
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,960
>> Is it like super busy like line

2134
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:53,360
it?

2135
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,719
>> Um it is busy but you get through it. Um

2136
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:58,239
they're very good at being efficient

2137
01:24:58,239 --> 01:24:59,679
with the cars.

2138
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:01,360
>> U we just ask people when they come

2139
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,120
through what county they're coming from

2140
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,600
and how many households of items they're

2141
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,000
bringing from, they pull around to the

2142
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,360
other side of the lot and they're helped

2143
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,760
with their material and and

2144
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,440
I would say it's rare for anybody to

2145
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,040
have to be there more than 5 to 10

2146
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:15,600
minutes.

2147
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,639
>> Okay. Um, and would you say that the

2148
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:21,040
recycling rates are increasing,

2149
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,080
decreasing, or kind of constant?

2150
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,560
>> I think they're very slowly increasing.

2151
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,320
It's I'd like [clears throat] to see

2152
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,440
them increase faster. Okay, Matt, will

2153
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,719
the hazardous material be gathered at

2154
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:36,719
all convenience centers or just a

2155
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:38,080
particular one?

2156
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,159
>> So, this uh hazardous waste event

2157
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:42,960
Saturday is only at the Florence Road

2158
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,320
facility.

2159
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,719
>> Okay. That hadn't been mentioned.

2160
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:49,840
>> Um I know that address is on here. Yeah.

2161
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,960
4765 Florence Road from 8 o'clock to

2162
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,880
noon Saturday. And um you know, we'll be

2163
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,679
there.

2164
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:01,110
>> Thank you.

2165
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,480
Um, also is there are there plans to

2166
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:07,520
expand um the current convenience

2167
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,480
centers to hold um like the ones that

2168
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:13,920
don't um offer um you to drop off your

2169
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,840
glass and electronics.

2170
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,560
We're always looking at services we can

2171
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,120
add at the different sites that you know

2172
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,960
will serve the residents and also be

2173
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:30,239
something that um we can manage well. Um

2174
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:32,080
I'm looking at adding another site for

2175
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,560
electronics right now. And it is

2176
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,120
something we're finding out that when we

2177
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,199
have a commodity

2178
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:41,120
if we only collect it at a couple of

2179
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,199
centers a lot of people in the county

2180
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:44,560
are not going to come out of their way

2181
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,800
to to bring it to us.

2182
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,400
And so that's something that we're

2183
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:49,920
working through now is how do we really

2184
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,360
expand our service on each site and

2185
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,920
we're going to find out that

2186
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,719
we can do more but there are some sites

2187
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:00,239
that are it's just not going to work the

2188
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:01,840
same on

2189
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,520
>> I was just wondering um because I know a

2190
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,120
lot of people they might you know go to one site like I went I went to

2191
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,280
drop off my plastic and my cardboard and

2192
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,520
paper and things and then um I had this

2193
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,760
big TV that stopped working and so um

2194
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:16,639
they're like, "Oh, we don't take

2195
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:18,000
electronics." So then I had to drive,

2196
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,400
you know, 25 minutes across town, but

2197
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,560
not everyone would do that. So I was

2198
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:23,600
just wondering because we were talking

2199
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,120
about wanting to increase recycling. Um

2200
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,440
and so I was just wondering that. Um and

2201
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:33,280
how how many of these um facilities have

2202
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,360
multiple like takes all of the all of

2203
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:38,000
the

2204
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,560
>> So the

2205
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,080
kind of our super sites I might call

2206
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,560
them is uh the convenience centers at

2207
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,120
Rock Bell and Lyanna and Smyrna. They

2208
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:48,639
were the ones that were most recently

2209
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:51,280
renovated and they just have space to do

2210
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,320
more. Um all three of those except

2211
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,280
mattresses for recycling u bulk metal

2212
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,239
and glass. They accept the bulk uh waste

2213
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:02,560
and um

2214
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,480
electronics.

2215
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,566
And that's something that um

2216
01:28:06,566 --> 01:28:07,920
[clears throat]

2217
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,679
we're leaning a lot on those sites for

2218
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:11,440
because they have the space to do it

2219
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:14,639
that some of our other sites just don't.

2220
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:17,040
>> And the the mattress recycling that

2221
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,000
doesn't give us any revenue, right? No,

2222
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,840
it uh it doesn't cost us anything, but

2223
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,120
it does not bring in any money.

2224
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,800
>> It doesn't cost us anything. So,

2225
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,470
>> well, thank you,

2226
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,159
» Mr. McGallen.

2227
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:33,440
>> Make a motion to approve.

2228
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:38,000
>> All in favor say I. Motion pass. Matt,

2229
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,000
what else do you have? uh you'll find in

2230
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,239
your SharePoint uh budget amendment that

2231
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:44,960
we're asking for where we were awarded a

2232
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,760
TKC recycling grant for the school

2233
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,400
recycling education program last year

2234
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,159
and it just didn't get carried over into

2235
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,639
the new budget. U Michael said we didn't

2236
01:28:54,639 --> 01:28:57,120
know exactly what would carry over so it

2237
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:58,639
would require this budget amendment to

2238
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:02,000
put it back in there. Um

2239
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,840
the county part of this is $90,427

2240
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,239
and the state matches that. So, it'll be

2241
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:10,080
a total fund for this project of

2242
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:15,590
$180,854.

2243
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,270
» Move to approve.

2244
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,280
» We have a motion in a second.

2245
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,239
>> So, Matt, is this the one call?

2246
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:26,159
>> No, wait a minute. Go ahead. Discussion.

2247
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:27,840
>> Is this the one you alluded to that has

2248
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:28,719
to do with schools?

2249
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:29,120
>> Yes.

2250
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,560
>> Okay.

2251
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,239
>> So, Matt, I mean, what would the funds

2252
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:34,639
be used for? So, the bulk of it is going

2253
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:36,560
to be for containers for the schools,

2254
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,560
whether it's smaller bins in the

2255
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,800
classrooms, the larger bins to collect

2256
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,159
them in, um, and then also signage to go

2257
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,320
with that to explain, you know,

2258
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,159
everything that goes in our recycling.

2259
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:49,760
>> So, one thing, if I recall, when we

2260
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,199
signed the contract a couple years ago

2261
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:52,880
with Waste Management,

2262
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,679
>> they had offered up free bins for

2263
01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:57,360
curbside.

2264
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,000
So, I don't know if we want to see if

2265
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,760
the offer still stands, but I don't know

2266
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,280
what size those bins would be and if

2267
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:03,760
they would.

2268
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,120
>> They have helped us out a little bit on

2269
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,719
some of those. I'll definitely uh

2270
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:08,239
approach them first before I start

2271
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:09,760
placing orders.

2272
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,199
>> It was at least the offer a couple years

2273
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:16,550
ago, but hopefully it still stands. So,

2274
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:22,390
» Rachel Karo,

2275
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,400
» Commissioner Clark,

2276
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:24,880
>> yes.

2277
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,080
>> Mr. Doty,

2278
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,000
>> yes. Commissioner Kush,

2279
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:28,480
>> yes.

2280
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:29,679
>> Commissioner McGowan,

2281
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:30,639
>> yes.

2282
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:32,080
>> Commissioner P,

2283
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:32,560
>> yes.

2284
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:33,840
>> Commissioner Watts,

2285
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:34,480
>> yes.

2286
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:35,600
>> Chairman Piery,

2287
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,000
>> yes.

2288
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,320
>> Motion passes.

2289
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:39,199
>> Go ahead, Matt.

2290
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,760
>> All right. My last item tonight is I'm

2291
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,280
asking uh this is also in your

2292
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,239
SharePoint for your authorization to

2293
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,280
apply for a grant from Tde. Uh it is a

2294
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:55,030
50/50 match and the minimum is $27,4122.

2295
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,080
The maximum grant award will be 49,999

2296
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,280
and80 cents. Uh it is a 50-50 match with

2297
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:05,040
the county and um we want to use these

2298
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,080
funds to start a foam recycling program

2299
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,840
where we would collect it in all of our

2300
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,440
centers and this would finance the

2301
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,880
purchase of a foam densifier where we

2302
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,920
would process that foam.

2303
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,520
One of the things that I like about this

2304
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,040
program and we've seen it work in

2305
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,360
another county is that this product that

2306
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,440
comes out of that foam densifier has a

2307
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:30,480
market. Uh there's a buyer in Lever for

2308
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:32,239
it and there's other buyers across the

2309
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:35,600
country where it's a little bit unusual

2310
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,040
when we're approached with some new

2311
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,840
recycling thing that it closes the loop

2312
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,199
and there's actually something to do

2313
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:44,159
with the product. And so um we want to

2314
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:45,920
collect it all. We're going to bring it

2315
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,639
to Lyanna and process it there and to

2316
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:51,840
they call it ingots of this material and

2317
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,600
as we collect enough we'll sell it to

2318
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,120
the supplier that'll pay us the best.

2319
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:58,080
>> Mr. Data,

2320
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,320
>> is this uh grant application request

2321
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,480
supposed to be blank on here?

2322
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:03,600
>> Yeah, ours is blank.

2323
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,600
>> Oh, no.

2324
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,000
>> Um, no, it's not.

2325
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,000
>> Can I just do you have a topic I can

2326
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,440
just see really quick? Thank you so

2327
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:14,719
much. So, so

2328
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:16,560
go through that one more time. It's

2329
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,560
foam. F O A N.

2330
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,840
>> And is it like like it's not styrofoam?

2331
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,800
>> It is. Styrofoam is a trade name.

2332
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,480
>> It's what you think of as styrofoam.

2333
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:26,800
>> Okay.

2334
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,800
>> When you get a new TV and it's got foam

2335
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,800
on the corners, it's that stuff.

2336
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,400
>> It can be um

2337
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:33,440
>> foam

2338
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:35,840
>> uh like clamshells you get your food in.

2339
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:36,400
>> Yes.

2340
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,080
>> Those have to be rinsed, but they're

2341
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,840
they can go through this process. But

2342
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,080
it's not foam like you would see in a

2343
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,280
mattress pad or

2344
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,600
>> correct. But we do accept that foam

2345
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:46,480
already.

2346
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:47,600
>> Right.

2347
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,840
>> This is this is like the white styrofo

2348
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:50,639
kind of foam.

2349
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:52,320
>> When you bend it, it should break. Yes.

2350
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,600
And that's what'll go through this

2351
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:54,239
process.

2352
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,639
>> Got it. Okay. And you are trying to

2353
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,159
collect that,

2354
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:00,800
>> right? So people would bring that to a

2355
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,520
convenience center, you collect it, you

2356
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,000
take it to somebody in Lever and they

2357
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,040
process it and sell it. We'll do the

2358
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,120
first step of processing ourselves.

2359
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:11,520
>> Okay.

2360
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,920
>> Uh that's what half of this money would

2361
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,520
cover is the machine that does that.

2362
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:16,239
>> Okay.

2363
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,560
>> Um and then we would sell that product

2364
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,800
that comes out of that machine to the

2365
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,070
buyer.

2366
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,239
» If no one else uh needs to see this,

2367
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:28,400
I'll move to approve

2368
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:29,920
if no one else has questions as well.

2369
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:30,400
Sorry.

2370
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,679
>> Second.

2371
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,679
>> Matt, I do have a question. What exactly

2372
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:36,800
does this machine do? Does it?

2373
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,440
>> So, it's a single machine. It probably

2374
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,280
takes up a footprint similar to this

2375
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,080
podium, a little bit bigger. You feed

2376
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,880
the foam in the top and it gets ground.

2377
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,560
And the lower part of the machine, it

2378
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,440
gets heated and compressed. And so, it's

2379
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,719
taken out 95 to 98% of the volume of the

2380
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:58,480
original styrofoam that you put in. Um

2381
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,320
the vendor that sells the machine has a

2382
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,159
picture where they filled up a 53 ft

2383
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:05,040
trailer full of styrofoam.

2384
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,560
They run it through their machine and

2385
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,719
it's three pallets.

2386
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:10,239
>> Like environmental impactor for the

2387
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:11,840
operator. Do they have to wear a mask?

2388
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,280
Does if it's

2389
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,800
>> so noxious fumes or again if burning in

2390
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:17,840
there?

2391
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,440
>> I didn't mean to speak over you. The

2392
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:21,280
vendor tells me that it's it's been

2393
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,600
tested that it's safe. It does have kind

2394
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,920
of a I was call like a hot plastic

2395
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,280
smell.

2396
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,040
U but it's it's not anything that's

2397
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,440
found to be dangerous to health. Um and

2398
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:32,960
the shed that I'm asking for to put it

2399
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,760
in will also have two garage doors just

2400
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,360
because it's a very hot machine. I

2401
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,120
didn't think it would be that

2402
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:39,679
ventilation.

2403
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,280
>> And would this require an additional

2404
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,920
employee or would we just use resources

2405
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:44,880
already there?

2406
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,560
>> We'll use the staff that we have already

2407
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,800
and then the collection containers. We

2408
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,040
used to use them for other things. We're

2409
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:52,800
going to paint them for this project and

2410
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,880
we our only cost on those will just be

2411
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,280
the paint.

2412
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:58,880
Mr. Chair,

2413
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,719
>> Miss Clark,

2414
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:03,120
>> you said you will sell it to the buyer

2415
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,040
and so how uh

2416
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,880
when we sell it,

2417
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,639
>> how much money will we get?

2418
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:13,440
>> So, the city of Nashville has this set

2419
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,639
up. They started in the spring.

2420
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:18,880
>> I think it was very late lately. They

2421
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,040
sold their first load and they got $300

2422
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,120
a ton for the material that they turned

2423
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,189
in. And um

2424
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,639
Yeah, I think they got a ton and a half

2425
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:30,239
of material. So, it's a little more than

2426
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:31,360
$4,500

2427
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,040
>> over what period of time.

2428
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,280
>> That was what they gathered from April

2429
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,560
until late last month.

2430
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,880
And I think we'll get more. We kind of

2431
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,880
touched on Mr. Dowy said earlier, we

2432
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,639
talked about gathering different things

2433
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:46,560
and different sites.

2434
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,639
We're going to do this on all 14 sites

2435
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:50,719
to start out. So I think it's very

2436
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:52,000
possible we're going to get more than

2437
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,840
Nashville's getting on their one site

2438
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:57,120
when we start operating.

2439
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:02,159
>> So the so the money will purchase if you say we're going to do it at more

2440
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:05,120
than one site initially or eventually

2441
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,800
>> uh initially starting out.

2442
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,679
>> So a machine per convenience center.

2443
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:11,760
>> We'll have one machine and then we'll

2444
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,600
manage trucking the boxes to that

2445
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,600
machine on one of our sites.

2446
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:16,560
>> I see. Yeah. Yeah.

2447
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,719
>> And then once the product out of that is

2448
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:19,760
ready,

2449
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,120
>> I don't know if we'll deliver it. It'll

2450
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:22,560
be picked up, but it'll be moved from

2451
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:23,040
there.

2452
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:23,520
>> Okay.

2453
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,920
>> Will the machine be located at the

2454
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,920
transfer station area?

2455
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,280
>> I want to put it at Lyanna.

2456
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,000
>> Lyanna.

2457
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,880
Big enough to have extra boxes

2458
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,000
dropped and all that.

2459
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,159
>> Miss Watts. Did you have a question?

2460
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:41,760
>> Well, I think you answered my question.

2461
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,080
So you'd be collecting foam at all of

2462
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,920
the convenience centers and then they

2463
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,920
truck it to Lyanna where they process it

2464
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,440
and then they would sell it to this

2465
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:50,239
company.

2466
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:50,719
>> Yes.

2467
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:54,550
>> Okay. Thank you.

2468
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,960
» Are there any more questions about the

2469
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,440
request?

2470
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:01,440
>> I think we already have a motion and a

2471
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:05,430
second on the road.

2472
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:06,960
» Commissioner Watts.

2473
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,159
>> Yes.

2474
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:09,920
>> Commissioner P.

2475
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,199
Yes.

2476
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:12,560
>> Commissioner McGawan.

2477
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,480
>> Yes.

2478
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:15,520
>> Commissioner Kush.

2479
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:16,320
>> Yes.

2480
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,360
>> Commissioner Dodie.

2481
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:18,320
>> Yes.

2482
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:19,679
>> Commissioner Clark.

2483
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:20,639
>> Yes.

2484
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:21,760
>> Chairman Piery.

2485
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:22,480
>> Yes.

2486
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,159
>> Motion passes.

2487
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,840
>> Do you have anything else from Matt?

2488
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:26,960
>> That's it for me tonight.

2489
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,360
>> I I do just have two quick questions for

2490
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:29,520
me.

2491
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:30,480
>> Yeah. Go ahead.

2492
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:32,400
>> Where where do we stand with the signage

2493
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,840
at the facilities? because the first uh

2494
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:37,760
constituent complaint I got was from a

2495
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,480
gentleman in my my district who sorted

2496
01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:43,040
his recycling, was very diligent in

2497
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,480
getting everything cleaned out. Then he

2498
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:46,800
went to a convenience center to realize

2499
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,400
at the very last minute he was in the

2500
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,560
wrong line and just had to throw away

2501
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,520
all of his recycling

2502
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,800
and he was told if signs are the issue,

2503
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,080
talk to your county commissioner.

2504
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:58,480
>> Wow.

2505
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:00,960
>> So he he sent me you know that was my

2506
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,280
first call. So, I just didn't know how

2507
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:04,639
we were. I know that was something from

2508
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:06,000
last year. So, again, I just didn't know

2509
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,840
where we stand with with all those

2510
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:08,639
signage.

2511
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:10,159
>> We're working right now to roll out

2512
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,560
signs center by center. And honestly, to

2513
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,000
minimize cost, we're building them

2514
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,960
ourselves. Um, I think we have the new

2515
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,920
ones at five centers that are signs for

2516
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,400
each commodity we collect on the site.

2517
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:25,360
Um, last year we used our sign budget to

2518
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,080
put up signs at the gates with our rules

2519
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,719
and hours and speed limits. And this

2520
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:32,960
year we're doing it this direction. You

2521
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,320
know, we're going to keep pushing on it.

2522
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,239
It'll be probably a few months before we

2523
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:37,840
get them all to all the centers.

2524
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,159
>> I I do think it would be good

2525
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:43,040
>> to have signs to know which line you're

2526
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,880
in because especially I like I go to

2527
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,960
Lean Road. I know which one.

2528
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:47,360
>> Absolutely.

2529
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:48,719
>> Take the middle one. If you go left,

2530
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:49,920
it's household garbage. To the right,

2531
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:50,960
it's recycling.

2532
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,639
>> But if sometimes that's the longest

2533
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:53,760
line. If somebody doesn't know, they're

2534
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:54,800
going to say, "Wow, this line's a lot

2535
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:59,520
shorter." And go and again, they're in the household garbage line. I

2536
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,080
have been asked

2537
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,760
somebody that may make a grant for

2538
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,280
something like that, which of course I

2539
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,679
would bring to this committee that could

2540
01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:09,600
accelerate a timeline and and maybe

2541
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,040
provide more collal signs. Um, but if

2542
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,679
that happens, I'll bring it to you.

2543
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:18,320
And just a second thing, over the last

2544
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,040
week or so, especially my district, I've

2545
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,560
also gotten complaints about the smell

2546
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,440
from the landfill. Now, the landfill has

2547
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:28,159
their own reporting portal as does the

2548
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:30,960
city. Do we get any information from

2549
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,600
Middle Point on, hey, here's how many

2550
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,880
complaints we've had? Do we say, you

2551
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,320
know, what's our communication with

2552
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,639
Middle Point when the smell seems to be

2553
01:39:40,639 --> 01:39:42,239
getting bad over a certain period of

2554
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:43,040
time?

2555
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,440
>> They don't report their data. I don't

2556
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:47,679
know if they do at all.

2557
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:51,679
If they did, it would be to Tde. Um, and

2558
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:53,280
I would definitely encourage people to

2559
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,679
use those portals, especially the one

2560
01:39:55,679 --> 01:39:57,840
for City of Mersboro.

2561
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,080
I think a lot of people have reported it

2562
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,320
once or twice before and where there's

2563
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,159
less complaints now. People assume that

2564
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:07,040
it's not a problem and it it's something

2565
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:10,239
that I would report it every time a

2566
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,159
citizen smells it. I I know there's

2567
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:14,320
reporting fatigue because Middle Point

2568
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,080
says that they'll get back to you.

2569
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,320
They've never once over four years for

2570
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,719
me of reporting. So, I just I didn't

2571
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:22,320
know if if they were working with you.

2572
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,960
>> I um I have a contact over there I can

2573
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,840
talk to and see what they'lling to share

2574
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,040
with us. Um I I don't know what they're

2575
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:32,639
actually required to do.

2576
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:37,109
>> Thank you.

2577
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:40,239
» Anything else for Mr. Davis?

2578
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:42,239
Thank you for your report, Mr. Davis.

2579
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:44,480
>> Thank you.

2580
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:46,719
That brings us down to other business.

2581
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:49,679
Does anyone have any other business? Mr.

2582
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:50,400
McGawan,

2583
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,320
>> I was just curious. I just I didn't see

2584
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,639
where we approved the minutes.

2585
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:57,600
>> We didn't have any for this governing

2586
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:58,400
group.

2587
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,040
>> Okay.

2588
01:40:59,040 --> 01:40:59,840
>> So, we

2589
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,239
>> I didn't know about the August meeting.

2590
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:04,000
>> I think that's already been covered.

2591
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,639
Maybe.

2592
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:09,840
>> Anything else?

2593
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,679
Yeah,

2594
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:16,390
we have an invitation

2595
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:20,560
Monday, October the 19th at 700 p.m. at

2596
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:24,560
Heritage Center to join the Recycle

2597
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,800
Rutherford group for their meeting. All

2598
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,840
commissioners on this committee are

2599
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,760
invited and encouraged to attend.

2600
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,440
Mr. Allen, do you have anything you'd

2601
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:43,350
like to add to this great committee?

2602
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,199
» I have one I have a couple of

2603
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:48,560
recommendations for the new com for the

2604
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,480
new commissioners that this is your

2605
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:52,800
first night and most likely you've

2606
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,400
probably already done this.

2607
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:00,560
We can either get you a copy or you can

2608
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,800
uh call Rachel or maybe Nick and get a

2609
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,320
copy of the Jackson law and become very

2610
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,639
familiar with that law, what it is, what

2611
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:14,000
it does for us. And I would encourage

2612
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:17,840
you to get a copy of our host agreement

2613
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:20,400
with Republic Services

2614
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:24,400
and read it. Uh won't take you long. You

2615
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,320
might want to learn to read it. read it

2616
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,719
both directions, but uh that would be a

2617
01:42:28,719 --> 01:42:30,639
recommendation for somebody that has sat

2618
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:33,920
on this committee 12 years. If there's

2619
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,560
nothing else, I'll take a motion to

2620
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:40,470
adjourn.

2621
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:45,239
» So maybe thank you very much.