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There you go.
>> All right. Good evening everyone.

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Welcome to the regular meeting of the
Rland County Select Board. Today is

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September
8th and this is our regular meeting.

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We have with us I think it's Sharon's
turn to start. Um selectable members

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Sharon Russell, Matt Getty, Mary Ashcro,
and Kurt Hathaway. missing is excused

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absence of Joe. Leonardo is desperately
trying to get his hay in before the the

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rain tomorrow. So, uh, if you would all
please rise and stand for the pledge of

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» allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America to the republic for its nation,

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liberty andice for all.

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Okay.

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So, what we're going to do
is deviating a little bit from unusual

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agenda. Um,
what we're going to do is some of the

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preliminaries. We're going to do the
minutes. Uh, and now we're going to be

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some announcements. And then
what we're going to do is go into

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executive session if the if the board
agrees to hear advice from our town

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council and then we're going to come
back

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and we will take up the request of
habitat. So that's kind of what we're

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going to do. Then then what we also
usually do is take up other folks who

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are not otherwise on the agenda. Um and
we've heard that there might be someone

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coming in.
Um but we haven't seen anyone yet.

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Um but the credit union is on the
agenda. So we'll hear from you folks as

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well.
And then we take our usual is Devon.

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Devon's on the agenda as well. Is he
zooming?

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» He was going to be here.
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» All right. So, well, we've got things
kind of mapped out, but subject to

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change. Um, okay. Minutes of the select
board meeting for August 25th.

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Move to approve.
>> Motion one to approve

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» and seconded. Any additions,
corrections, deletions.

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» All in favor of approving the minutes,
please say I.

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» I.
>> I. Motion carries for 01 extensions.

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I'm circulating.

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All right.
Next, approval of the orders. They're

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over here. I think all four of us have
signed. Is there a motion?

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» Second.
>> Motion's been made and seconded to

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approve the orders. Any discussion,
additions, deletions? I think we

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understand
the police fire

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um communications bill. So we now that
we understand it um that will come out

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of depreciation if we approve the
orders.

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If there's no further discussion, all in
favor of approving the orders, please

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say I. I.
>> I. Motion carries 40

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with one absent. Are there any board
member announcements?

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Update from the select board chair. Just
a reminder, thank you. That the circle

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articles are due
on the 15th.

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So, please do department heads and
others who are interested in getting

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information. It's just a week away.
um

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getting information published about what
might be coming up. Uh like oh, I don't

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know, snowplow policy
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» replacing replacing mailboxes, that kind
of thing. This would be a good time to,

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you know, put that in. Um if there's
And Carrie, I want to chat with you

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about maybe doing a joint article
together. You don't have to, but I

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thought maybe if we kind of
>> Yeah, did submit one already, but

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» Oh, good. Good for you. Okay. Well, if
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» Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. Very good. It would be about

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the tax bills.
>> Is that what you wrote about?

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» Is that what you wrote about? Okay. All
right. Let's talk then. Okay.

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» All right. Are there any questions from
the floor or public comments other than

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the folks who we know are here
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anybody on Zoom who has a comment who is
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» The bottom.
>> Okay. Uh, Brown Heart is Kevin.

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» That's me, Mary.
>> Oh, I get it. Is that you, Kevin?

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» Kevin. Yep.

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» Please.
>> Yeah. Well,

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okay. Uh, could you
uh Kevin Brown, town attorney, I think

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you are on.
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» Yes, I'm Brown.

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» He's quiet.
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» you're here.
>> All right. Um, so since our town

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attorney appears to be on,
what we're going to do is, as outlined,

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um, go into executive session to listen
to our attorney's legal counsel.

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Is there a motion?
>> So move.

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» Motion's made. Is there a second?
>> And seconded. Any discussion?

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All in favor of going into executive
session, please say I.

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» I. Motion carries 4 zero. So now clear
the room. All right.

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» Everybody still have a meeting. So
>> okay, we are back on the record. It is

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20 6. We have come out of executive
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Um the first item that we're going to
take up is under action item A, the

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board to discuss the petition from
Habitat for Humanity.

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is there
is there a motion or do we want to hear

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from Rebecca briefly? What do we want to
do? We do have our attorney still on the

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line. He has a another meeting to go to,
but he's on the line. He's not going to

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be debating as far as I'm I'm concerned.
I know he has been in touch with you at

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our request. So, okay.
Well, I guess we're kind of waiting to

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hear what we we've turned in a petition
with the 5% signatures and our

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expectation is it'll go to ballot. So,
okay. Is there based upon what we've

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discussed with our attorney and other
considerations, is there a motion

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concerning that petition?

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» I think that's for
based on the advice that we received

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regarding this petition, I'm going to
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as drafted.
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ballot.
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» Motion's been made and seconded not to
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put it on the November ballot.
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» say anything, Mary, or is it just
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and then we'll see if there are folks
other folks who may want to add some

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» um
one and and I think Kevin shared this

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with you as well. One major problem with
what you drafted was it would um absolve

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you of taxes for this current year that
we're in. and Kevin researched this and

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the case law basically says there is a
separate process for that. You don't do

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it by petition. So that that is one of
the reasons why um the petition is

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defective because it deals with the year
that we're currently in and case law

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says you can't do that. That's one
reason. Um the other is that we were

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trying to

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figure out, and I'm not sure Carrie has
the answer to this, but if

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um how many ballots do we mail out, the
state is responsible for mailing out the

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ballots for the general election, which
is a state election.

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This would be a town election, a
sidebyside town election, run at the

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same time with the same ballot clerks,
but we would have a separate ballot. And

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the question has come up, do we then
have to mail out that ballot to every

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voter in Rutland Town? My hunch is no,
but I don't know the answer to that. I

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think my guess would be it's available
when people come in to vote. If they

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have voted absentee because they got the
state ballot in the mail, they would

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have to come in and vote here. And I'm
not sure how that would happen. So the

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there's going to be election confusion
as well. Um and the the third reason

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that we're concerned about is setting a
precedent for any nonprofit organization

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who wants to ask well, you know, an
abatement of taxes for the past year. So

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we we do want to we're conscious of
that. We want to be careful. Um, so any

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other reasons that you can think of?
>> The motion's pending.

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» Any other remarks? Yes.
>> Okay. So, we very much appreciate your

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um thinking about it. Um, so
yes, we did speak with your attorney and

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we have I just have six focus points I
want us to remember as we move through

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the process um of what we're going to
say next. Just so um you understand. So,

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we meaning Habitat when I refer to it.
Um, we've been doing our best to follow

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the known process or rules and we have
been sent in circles repeatedly on this.

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Um, we acknowledge that a municipality
is under no obligation to assist a

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taxpayer. However, when that
non-assisted that non-assistance rises

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to the level of obstruction and thereby
compromises the fundamental fairness of

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the process, the matter does warrant
scrutiny. and we do ask that that be

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given some consideration in the future.
Um, we believe that our tax exemption

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was denied erroneously on the mistaken
claim that our building is not used

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primarily for our mission. We're not
we're just stating that again. So, our

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point of view and we would like to
mention that if we had just moved over

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the border into Rutland City, um, we
would not be having this issue. And we

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wanted to reference uh there's many
nonprofits in Rutland City, but one

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particularly the Open Door Mission,
which is so closely related to what we

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do. Um as far as homeing, it is
homelessness, it's not home ownership,

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but they do run a thrift store to
support their mission. Um, there's

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Brock, there's Newstory, there's the
Parent Child Center, there's the Rutland

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Community Covered, there's Rutland
Regional Medical Center, just to name a

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few of the nonprofits who are diligently
filling the service gaps in our

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communities for the most vulnerable and
being recognized and supported for the

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work they are doing. And that includes
having their exemption from property

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taxes,
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recognized. And this allows their donor
dollars to go to their missions. We just

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want to remind everyone that Habitat for
Humanity of Rutland County is the only

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builder of affordable housing for home
ownership. Nobody else does what we do.

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Just Habitat. We have submitted a
petition with the required signatures

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and expect um along with the 5% of our
voters expect it to be taken to ballot.

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And our donors have entrusted us with
their money to build affordable housing,

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not to fund lawyers arguing over gray
area in the statute. So here's what

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we're proposing. We come up with a
proposal

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and we hope that this might help.
>> Why don't you just read it out loud so

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everybody want this though for you?
>> Go ahead with that.

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» Okay.
>> Dear members of the Rutland Oh, you want

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to read this cuz it's from you.
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» There you go. Okay.
>> So, um

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» could you identify yourself?
>> So, my name is Eric. The last name is

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Salsa. I'm the chair of the Habitat for
Humanity Rutland County. So throughout

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this and um our dear members of the
Rutland Town Select Board throughout

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this entire process from the original
denial letter of our tax exempt status

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from property taxes by the listister
then the BCA and finally this board the

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message from Rutland Town has been
Habitat must go to the voters. We have

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diligently collected and submitted the
necessary signatures to support going to

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the ballot.
It is our understanding that the town's

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attorney, Kevin Brown, is now
recommending that this board deny our

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submitted petition based on the
position, quote, "the voters do not have

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the power to override the listers once
the grand list is set," unquote. It is

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also our understanding that other than
the wording quote commencing with the

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2026 to 2027 year quote unquote there is
no other stated issue with our petition.

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We believe we believe the petition
language satisfies the statutory intent

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of title 32 section 384 uh 3840 and 17
VSA section 2643A

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and that there is a statutory authority
to exempt real and personal property in

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the tax year the vote is taken.
That said, in a spirit of collaboration

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and putting the needs of our community
first, we are willing to concede this

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point. If the select board objects to
the specific reference quote commencing

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with the 2026 2027 tax year, we will
agree to allow the select board to

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exercise its authority to amend the
final article text for the town warning

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to read quote commencing with the 2027
to 2028 tax year while honoring the

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valid signatures of the voters. We would
note that even if the petition language

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isn't perfect on this narrow point, a
disagreement over the applicable tax

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year is not enough to invalidate an
otherwise valid petition. Uh the core

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intent and statutory basis remain sound
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that intent.
Ultimately, we urge the select board to

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use common sense and to put the good of
the community ahead of this legal

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disagreement. The voter's voice should
be allowed to be heard and that's

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sincerely Eric Sulsa. Would
>> you like to copy now?

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» Um yeah, we can I wanted it read and for
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So at this point, what's

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what's on the table is to deny
the as written petition. Okay. Is there

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any
>> is there can I just ask a question?

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» You can ask a question.
>> Okay. It from what we have learned is

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the select board does have the authority
to change the language of the petition.

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Are you aware of that?
I know that we have the authority to put

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our own
um items on the ballot for consideration

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by voters. I know we have that authority
>> because it's it's honestly super

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frustrating that you've had this
petition for a long time and at the last

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minute have said we are now finding it
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» unable to we have not had your petition
in and filed with us.

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» So
um pardon me sorry I'm just to clarify

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what Eric's referring to if I may. So,
back at the meeting on in July 14th, um

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when we submitted the copy of our
petition to you guys, you asked us to

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the question.
>> Um then we met again on July 28th um to

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ask whether or not you guys would put it
on this select board would put it on the

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um ballot without the signatures because
we were trying to get you to be able to

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have the state print the ballots for you
so there wouldn't be a question that

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you're now bringing up about how do you
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» Okay. So when you guys said no and um
one of the reasons that um Mr. Getty had

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brought up was that our lawyer didn't
write this question. We don't even know

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if it's legal.
>> So at that point there was a question in

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front of the select board. Someone had a
question that it may not be 100% but you

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had the question. I went back and
actually did my due diligence to find if

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the language we were giving you was
legal and based on our legal advice

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given to us it was. So, what we're
trying to say is our legal advice can

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say this, your legal advice can say
that. What we're asking for is from day

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one when the listister put on the denial
letter,

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um, hold on. We had it right here that
we were denied our exemption. Okay.

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unless or until the town voters vote to
exempt the property from property

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payment of property tax. So from that
day on March 11th, we have been doing

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everything we can get the voters's voice
heard. We are finally there and we are

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willing to compromise
with the town. Hey 2026 and 27, which

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let me tell you, it's a hard hit for
Habitat. It's over $10,000.

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It's payroll money. It's building money.
It's money to

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» We're taxpayers, too. We understand
about the hit.

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» We're We're trying to be good stewards
of what the donors have trusted us with.

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We are offering a compromise at this
moment. You have 5% of your voters have

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agreed to have at least the voters hear
on it how they want to vote. If we

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change the date to 2728,
it would be an easy solution moving

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forward. Let the voters vote. It's all
we're asking tonight.

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» Um Barry, some clarification maybe.
>> I called the election division. Yeah.

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» And they said if you're going to change
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petition with signatures.
>> With brand new signatures signatures.

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» Yes.
Mary, it's Kevin.

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» All right. Um,

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» Mary, you can you can The law is, as I
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a board can make
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nonsubstantive changes to a petition,
but it can't change it can't make a

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substantive change to a petition that's
filed. And changing the year of

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commencement in my view would be
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» which makes sense because substantive
change people are signing one thing and

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then it becomes something else. So I
think Carrie and I are saying the same

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thing.
>> Okay.

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» And Lost is here. Lawson Stevens I do
want to make one comment and that is the

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board of civil authority did not vote on
this. I was here I think Lawson is here

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too.
Well, we were here.

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» The petition was withdrawn by you folks.
>> That's because you did not

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» We did not vote on it.
>> You did not vote on it. The BCA refused

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to take it up. Several comments were
made. Mr. Giles, Mr. Chaffy

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said, "Why is this not going to the
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Um
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front of the BCA. They said we're not
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» And that's when my attorney did turn to
me and say the town asked you to go to

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the voter.
Go to the voter. And so that's what we

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decided called a special meeting for it.
So we did take it up. We did have it

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before us. We were debating it with you
and then you withdrew the request. So, I

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don't want
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mayor, I have to say that's a point I
happen to disagree on.

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» I I very much disagree with your
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» No, they didn't deny it.
>> You said you wouldn't take it up.

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» They wouldn't take it up and take an
actual vote. If they had denied us,

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» we could have went to superior court,
>> but you had your lawyer here giving you

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advice, and we are not in the position
of giving legal advice. So, I I know,

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you know, it's frustrating for us, too.
You've got two folks sitting here in a

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club that donated a very large chunk of
money to Habitat and it's not

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» any we are trying to do
>> a difficult balancing test here

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» to serve our constituents the town and
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we've we've got to do that as best we
can. I'm just wondering if the the date

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of substantive that now you that we're
defining the change of a date. We're

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looking at a 10-year exemption.
>> Mhm.

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» And Habitat is willing to come to the
table and say fine, we're not going to

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go for 26 27 make it 2728.
>> Okay.

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» Then
>> it's it this is essentially the same

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question. We we can't make that change
of life for we're opening up the town to

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get sued. We just can't do it. If
somebody happens to be a Habitat hater,

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this hit the paper, they can come back
to the town because we made a change on

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a petition and put it to a ballot.
>> I'd like to say

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» we just can't do it. I mean, there's a
process and a process has to be done.

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And we I mean I'm going to vote for you
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to get there. It has to get there the
right way. Unfortunately, it didn't

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this.

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» Yes. I'd like to clarify something.
The open door mission went through this

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whole process. They didn't just hand it
to us. So, I don't want the folks out

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there because you brought the mission up
to think that we were gifted it. We had

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to go through the petitions and
everything else before the open door

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mission could open up. The open door
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cost the taxpayers
that much. The only way we get to

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operate is that thrift store and nothing
else. So I don't want people thinking

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that it's different than it is. It is
not. And I'm offended. Are you bringing

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it up with the mission first? Because
I'm sitting here because I I um ran the

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mission for almost 40 years.
I step away from

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um
things like this if it's going to make a

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difference because I I ran the mission
and I can separate that and I do

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separate that. We had the advice of our
attorney. I'm going to follow the advice

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of the attorney.
And I believe in in what you do,

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but you have to understand
if we make an exception for you,

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we've put oursel in a in a pretty tough
spot for anybody else that comes in. So

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So Sharon, I appreciate that. No offense
was intended. actions. We brought up the

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open door mission because we are

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we are extremely grateful for the path
they've already made for the rest of the

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nonprofits. And after speaking to the
current executive director and

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understanding the process you guys had
to go through, which is why we've

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embraced the fact of going to the
voters, which is why we're here, trying

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to make sure that the work that we've
done for the last 2 and 1/2 months of

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getting all these signatures and trying
to make sure we had it done right and

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asking attorneys and get it's just been
it's been a journey to finally be here.

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And because there's a date and a
question as to whether or not you can

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exempt it,
the advice on the our side is there's

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precedent to be able to go back and do
it. The advice on your side there isn't.

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And we could spend months and tons of
donor money fighting.

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» Where is your attorney?
>> They don't have to bring their attorney.

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So we don't have it. But what I'm just
saying is is what we're just hoping is

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that we can
get the voters's voice heard and that's

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all we wanted to do and so thank you for
hearing us tonight.

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» We have
Lost wanted to be heard and Marie

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Fagnet's got her hand raised on Zoom so

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» you don't have to say anything.
>> Uh Lawson Steven I'm a Rutland town. My

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wife and I are retired and uh
uh this property not being on the grand

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list, we're not going to feel that, you
know, in in our taxes. It's not it's not

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that big a pinch. It sounds to me like
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uh
well, I've always thought of uh Rutland

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Town as as a a good citizen of Vermont.
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you know, they're uh they're not
competing with the private sector

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because nobody's building starter homes
because there's no money in it. And uh

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with the way the school taxes are uh uh
addition to the grand list anywhere is a

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little bit of a addition to the grand
list everywhere.

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Um and uh it it sounds to me like in the
short term uh there's some uh things to

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be ironed out, but in the long term I I
expect that um um you know

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you you can look at a municipality as a
notfor-profit uh corporate citizen of

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the state and uh uh and I I think uh we
all want the same things.

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» Thank you. Marie Bent.
>> Uh good evening. Thank you. Um I just

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wanted to
uh let the voters know and and everyone

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know that many of the uh entities that
Miss Stevens is talking about that being

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not that have all the exemptions, many
of them are statuto statutory

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exemptions. They are statutory in place.
So it means they're automatically exempt

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from the voter roles and Habitat is not
is not one of gets statutory. The

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hospital statutory, your churches are
many of the uh Rutland West and

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everything. They get a different type of
exemption, but it's all built into the

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statute. Habitat has acknowledged in
front of the legislature that they are

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not entitled to an exemption that they
have to go community by community to

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seek it. When denied the initial
exemption, Miss Stevens was given in

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hand literature for from the Secretary
of State's office. This is back when

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this first happened on how to go for a
vote a vote in March

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that was given to her at the July 14th
meeting while I sat right next to her. I

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alerted them at that time that this was
a probably invalid ballot item. We've

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had over a month and a half to cure that
ballot item and it was chosen not to do

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that. And it's not just me. My
understanding is the city of Rutland

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attorney has also told them that the
week prior to my sitting there. So this

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is not news that the 2627 ballot item is
invalid for purposes of getting on the

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vote. So it is I do find it somewhat
offensive as well to be characterized as

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the town has given them the runaround
when it's been known and it's been going

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lock step in both the city and the town
that these ballot items are incorrect.

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So if it's for the March ballot, which
was the discussion in the beginning when

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it is the townwide VA ballot and no
additional expense to taxpayers to have

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a separate ballot prepared. So I just
wanted those clarifications that the

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town knows that they have to go through
these because there's no statutory

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exemption for them.
>> Okay. Thank you, Marie.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. So the select board, let me

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just say one thing very briefly because
we really do need to

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» RL city situation and Rland town
situation are completely different.

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We are in discussion with Rland City
regarding vacant land and where we build

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has nothing to do with ownership of a
building or being operated for Habitat

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for Humanity. and we've always contested
the part that we are statutoily allowed

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under 3840. So that's what we've always
been arguing and so there is definitely

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a disagreeing one.
>> Okay. Um the matter before the select

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board is and is Matt's motion to reject
the petition that was filed and not to

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put it on the November ballot. This is
not this is a straight the petition as

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it was filed and that includes the
language about this current tax year.

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Are you ready for that question?

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All in favor of Matt's motion to deny,
please say I.

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» I I I will vote I as well. So, um the
petition is denied to be put on the

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ballot as it is written. Is there any
other motion that the select word wishes

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to make on this matter?

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Any other motion?

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Okay, no other motion. So that concludes
our deliberation of this. Thank you for

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coming in.

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Okay.
Um, what have we got?

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Devon Ner.
>> Oh, I'm off.

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» We're We're going in as best we can in
order. We're leaving our department

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heads.
>> Um, so

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» I'll try to make it quick.
>> Next will be credit union. Okay. So,

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» hey, good to see how Joe's not here.
Thought it would be a full board, but

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we'll make do.
>> Thanks for having me back. So, I'm here

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to talk about a few different things.
Um, first and foremost, uh, capital

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improvement planning. Uh so I I hold a
early town managers and administrators

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lunchon at the RPC and we discuss a
various number of topics that are

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relevant to grant opportunities or new
legislation.

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Municipal planning grants were just
announced for this upcoming fiscal year.

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They the application opens in October
and is not due until December. So we're

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trying to get after this early. And one
thing that we're really promoting this

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year above previous years is capital
planning. You know, with so many

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municipal budgets really shoestringed by
the education fund, we think it's really

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important that taking more ownership of
that budget through future forecasting

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through a capital plan really benefit
towns of all sizes, but especially a

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town like Rutland Town that is sort of
that midsize where you have quite a few

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growing facilities and assets on your um
sort of municipal asset. inventory. Now,

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whether it's roads, a new dump truck, a
new fire station, planning for those

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future expenditures is really
challenging. So what a capital

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improvement plan can do is set up a
formalized structure in which you

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provide inputs into a formula and that
formula will help you depreciate assets,

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identify funding sources and be able to
look out that five or 10 years on a

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longer horizon and try to spread the
costs out so the taxpayers don't feel

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that really abrupt burden of a new
unplanned capital expenditure.

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We've seen a lot of success with capital
planning in other communities in the

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region, most notably Rutland City
adopted their first ever capital

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improvement plan last year. And they're
utilizing, similar to you guys, um their

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their primary funding source for their
CIP is their 1% option tax. Now, I know

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yours goes towards buying down the grand
list, but also some capital projects as

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well. Is that correct?
Um

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» yeah,
>> sometimes we have tapped it. But but let

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me ask you this.
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» we have depreciation funds and we have
each department has done a five-year

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plan.
>> Yep.

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» Why aren't the depreciation funds and
the five-year plans sufficient? Why do

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we need a capital plan?
>> Yeah. So this can be a little bit more

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comprehensive than that and also use
escalation factors and other sort of

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like formulaic elements that can be a
bit more accurate and dynamic than a

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simple depreciation plan. That's great
that you have that. That is more than

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00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:41,839
most do. So that's awesome because it
shows a level of accountability and

419
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:46,560
proactivity that is as you know super
important when setting the municipal

420
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:51,200
budget. So, um,
how I like to think about it is instead

421
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:55,920
of right now having
sort of discrete,

422
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:02,720
um, depreciation funds that are sort of
departmentalized and then collated into

423
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:08,880
one sort of organizing budgetary sort of
item. This can do that a little bit more

424
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:14,240
comprehensively. Um, and also as the
town continues to grow, which has shown

425
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:20,880
a pretty strong growth pattern overall,
both in population and in your municipal

426
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:25,440
assets, it can adjust with that um
growth over time. So, it's it doesn't

427
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,520
have to be for everybody. You know, I
wanted to make the pitch cuz, you know,

428
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:34,000
it seemed like you would be a good fit
and also it definitely piqued uh Bill's

429
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,960
interest a little bit. So, he thought
it'd be a good for me to come here and

430
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:44,320
sort of relay it to you all. Um,
>> can we use the funds

431
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:51,440
to study whether we should have a
capital plan as opposed to what we have

432
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:55,280
now, the depreciation accounts and one
um spillover capital fund.

433
00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:00,480
» You know, I think there would be no
doubt that typically how this goes is,

434
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:07,920
you know, you're awarded the funds. This
is a 10% match program. So the max is 30

435
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:14,079
35,000. So you'd be looking at $3,000
about usually when a consultant is

436
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,680
onboarded to design a capital plan.
That's exactly what they would do. First

437
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,000
step would be what are you currently
doing? Assess whether that really just

438
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:26,880
need to be a little bit bolstered and
it's good or whether it really needs to

439
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:31,520
be overhauled into something more
proprietary or formalized by the

440
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:35,200
consultant. But the idea is once you set
up it can be completely managed by the

441
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,760
municipality moving forward. You
wouldn't need to rely on consulting

442
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:45,280
moving forward to update that capital
improvement plan. The other benefit fit

443
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:49,520
that I've seen and it's here's a planner
being a planner but sometimes the

444
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:54,400
development of the thing is just as
important as the thing. So in this case,

445
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,839
if the entire select board and the
planning commission, the town

446
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:02,800
administrator are all part of the
development, you have a much stronger

447
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:07,680
understanding of that whole process and
your future liabilities than you would

448
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:12,320
if you're just handed a simple
depreciation report annually. So, you

449
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,720
know, that's that's what I would say to
any planning effort. So, there's a

450
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:23,119
little disclaimer there, but I do think
that is one of the benefits as well.

451
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:28,240
Um, and
oh, first question. We run into this

452
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:34,480
with the townwide reappraisal. Are we
going to run short of consultants doing

453
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:37,280
these so that we're standing in line for
years to get a

454
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:41,920
» Well, that wouldn't be possible because
the grant terms would not allow it.

455
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:46,800
However, you know, this space there are
a lot of consulting firms operating. You

456
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,720
know, they might not all be Vermont
based and maybe that's a good thing. You

457
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,680
know, I know Rutland City, I think,
worked with a firm in Rochester, New

458
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:59,839
York. Um, but as of right now, no, I
don't think the pinch is quite as

459
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:04,320
extreme as a full statewide reappraisal.
Yeah. And I'm happy to share some

460
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:09,839
examples if you guys feel like there's a
little bit more context you need. Um,

461
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:15,200
» you know, and I for for me, I am just
trying to spread this word as as many

462
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:20,240
towns in this sort of tier that you guys
occupy as possible. Um because I do

463
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,359
think more and more towns are trying to
engage in this type of financial

464
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:31,280
planning
>> and if we did it timing for is it for

465
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:35,359
next year's budget that begins July 1st
and is approved by the voters on in

466
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:40,000
March or
>> in terms of your cash match?

467
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:45,839
» Yeah, that and what's the when do we
have to have this done and if we get the

468
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,880
grant set up? Yeah. So the awards would
likely happen at the beginning of 27.

469
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Okay.
>> So you would need funds available then.

470
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:56,400
It is a reimbursement program. So you
would be, you know, paying the

471
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,720
consultant directly and seeking
reimbursement minus the 10%. There's

472
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:05,119
typically a two-year horizon on these
grants. There's always opportunity for

473
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:09,040
an extension. So you know, I know you
have a we're going to start working with

474
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,800
you or we just started on a town plan
update. Just finished your subdivision

475
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,400
rags. I'm going to throw another thing
at you here in a minute. So, I

476
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,720
understand it needs to fit into your
schedule and if this is more of a next

477
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:28,319
year, I'll come back next year, you
know, but um it felt like the

478
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:32,880
conversation and the timing is right
given the context of sort of where the

479
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,359
town is at and where the region is at as
a whole.

480
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:40,319
» And would you be working with our
planning commission on this? I mean

481
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:47,119
ideally yes because they have to this
needs to connect to the plan and future

482
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:52,880
planning. Um so yeah I would like to see
this ideally be a joint committee of the

483
00:41:50,800 --> 00:42:00,960
whole sort of select board and planning
commission along with Bill and his team

484
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:06,640
um on the ground. So yeah. Okay, those
are my questions folks.

485
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:11,359
Are there select order? So
>> what are the sort of outputs in this

486
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:14,160
plan if consultants are seeing like kind
of like well here's all the stuff you

487
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,480
here's your wish list that you said you
wanted to do.

488
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,720
So if we do it on this timeline
theoretically

489
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,920
payments would look like this with a
whole bunch of assumptions about

490
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:30,160
borrowing interest rates and all that.
codes.

491
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:35,599
» Yeah, I mean to an extent it will be
essentially a a plugandplay spreadsheet

492
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:40,800
at the end. I think the piece that is
super important is those inputs really

493
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:46,960
need need to be dictated by the locality
and be realistic and pragmatic versus

494
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:51,200
like oh you know we want a a Rutland
town tank for some reason. Let's put

495
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,560
that on there. You know this is really I
think there will be some grounding by

496
00:42:52,480 --> 00:43:00,560
the consultant that way but the output
will be a dynamic

497
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:05,839
formula that allows you guys to add any
items over time and then understand what

498
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:10,560
those costs will be down the road and
get things continue. I know they're

499
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:17,640
currently on a cycle but sort of
enshrine that in the process that they

500
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:17,640
remain. So if that makes sense.

501
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,599
questions.
>> I'd like to see see one if there's a

502
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,359
town.
>> Yeah, I'll send one to Bill to share

503
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,440
around.
>> Be good. Yeah.

504
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:34,319
» Um would we go through the same process
as adopting the town plan that we would

505
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:39,680
to adopt?
>> Yeah. So, there's basically like two

506
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:45,760
types of CIPs in Vermont. there is a
sort of charterbased formalized CIP or

507
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:51,200
there's like a CIP like that doesn't get
to that level of adoption.

508
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:56,160
Ideally, if you're tying it to some
structured financing source or funding

509
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:00,960
source like a 1% option, you might take
that next step. But again, I think this

510
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,680
is part of that process of like what is
the right fit for Rutland Town right

511
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,640
now, you know?
>> So, yeah, you guys can mold it over.

512
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,839
I'll send you some stuff. Think about
it.

513
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,800
» Yeah.
>> Either way, you know, no no preference

514
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,200
on my spot. Obviously,
>> we start the application what October

515
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:23,520
and it's due in
>> December. I'm looking at Bill because

516
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:29,920
guess who's going to
>> have a team. That's that's news to me.

517
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:33,760
» Yeah. Well,
>> and we you know, we help all the towns

518
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:38,000
write these, so that's not a not a big
deal either. So, two other quick things.

519
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:42,160
I know you have a pretty packed agenda
here.

520
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:48,560
Um, I got to talk about the Z-Word.
Kurt, plug your ears.

521
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:54,000
» Um, so, you know, we have thankfully
adopted the 2026 Rutland Regional Plan.

522
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:58,160
So, that was a huge feat. It has been
>> a lot of workfully done.

523
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:03,200
» Thank you. It has been approved now by
both state bodies. So, it is fully in

524
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:10,079
effect. That means we have seven
communities right now in the region that

525
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:15,920
are um uh have tier 1B status which is
they have an exemption from act 250 of

526
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:20,079
50 units or less on 10 acres or less and
that can be mixed use if it's

527
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:24,000
predominantly housing. So that's across
the region. We're excited to see how

528
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:28,800
that plays out. We know developers have
been waiting for this opportunity. So

529
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:36,480
that is exciting. Now, when I came to
you all in I think it was 2024,

530
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:40,720
right after act 21 was just enacted into
law, you know, we knew nothing. You

531
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:44,480
know, I really was trying to get in
front of as many towns as I could to

532
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:48,480
say, "Hey, if you're missing this thing,
consider doing it now cuz it's going to

533
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:53,520
be a pinch." And it was. We had several
towns adopt subdivision rags a few

534
00:45:51,040 --> 00:46:00,400
months before we adopted the plan.
What we've learned over time is that

535
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:07,040
what was quite a narrow opportunity for
Rutland Town at the time based around

536
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:13,200
one small historic village center in
center Rutland now looks like the

537
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:18,079
opportunity could likely be expanded to
add on and this is would be some

538
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:23,040
precedent but it's really interesting
and curious opportunity add on to the

539
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,440
plan growth area where utility ilities
connect directly to Rutland City because

540
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:32,800
Rutland City right now, the entirety of
Rutland City essentially minus Pinehill

541
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:38,079
Park and a few pockets is all eligible
for act 27 act 250 exemption if and when

542
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:43,040
they get their tier 1A exemption which
is likely they just had their first

543
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:49,359
hearing. So what
I would like to relay to you all is if

544
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:56,480
this is of interest
really trying to go all in on further

545
00:46:53,119 --> 00:47:03,040
development specifically housing
this is one pathway forward that if we

546
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:07,599
investigate what zoning could unlock for
you and again I'd love to have some

547
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:14,480
conversations with you all about what
zoning is or isn't right and about It's

548
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:19,200
more about protections than penalties,
right, for land owners and their

549
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:26,000
property. But even so, you know, the
state's sort of zoning prowess these

550
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:30,079
days is less is more, right? And promote
development and growth and don't

551
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:34,960
prohibit it. That is the one missing
element for you guys. if you wanted to

552
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:41,040
pursue some of these exemptions that
exist now. To do that, it would require

553
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:46,079
us to sort of have that conversation and
dive into it. I think this would be a

554
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:50,319
perfect discussion to follow a town plan
update. So many times when I talk to

555
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:54,319
towns, they're writing the zoning and
then the planning. The planning should

556
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:59,920
always come first, right? To enact the
plan, you need the regulatory tool,

557
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:04,640
which is zoning. So, let's do this town
plan. We're gonna help you through that.

558
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,920
Barbara's got a good plan. I think Sean
and Will are helping her on that that

559
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:15,200
town plan update.
>> Yeah, I I I think

560
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:19,119
Will is going. Yeah. Yeah. Um do
>> But does he have a lot on his plate

561
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:24,800
because we can't seem to schedule
meetings with him and the planning

562
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:29,760
commission. So, yeah, they're trying to
um complete a couple town plans that are

563
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,520
at the very end of the process with
hopes of kicking yours off in

564
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,960
Octoberish,
>> okay?

565
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:41,680
» November at the at the latest. Um, but
we have a plan to jump into it and get

566
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,000
it done well before your expiration
date.

567
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:48,880
» Um,
>> and can I mean I think there's a few

568
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:55,359
other things. We're close on the
subdivision bylaws. Can we get the

569
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:58,400
commission's help on making sure, you
know, putting that in place and whatever

570
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:01,920
we need to do there
>> for the adoption?

571
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,880
» Um, I think the adoption is pretty much
underway, but

572
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,760
» yeah, we're just waiting up the sign at
this point.

573
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,680
» Okay.
>> Yeah. So, if you you're through

574
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,359
adoption, you're
>> Yeah, we're done.

575
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,720
» You're done. Okay.
>> Yeah. All right.

576
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,839
» Yeah.
>> And you've got all the forms you need.

577
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,359
» All right.
>> Yeah. Bill, you can always just reach

578
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,359
out if there are questions, but I think
Bill's pretty much an expert by this

579
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:25,520
point. Now,
>> the only one thing only left to touch

580
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,800
what's on the night is the fees on it.
That's it.

581
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,960
» Yeah. Okay.
>> So, I I was here one to just relay that

582
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:36,559
message that there are
>> greater opportunities than what were

583
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,720
first understood. Can
>> you give us an example of like where and

584
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,440
what?
>> Yeah. So right now, wherever you connect

585
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,960
to utilities in Rutland City, so
primarily Route 7 north, Route 7 South,

586
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,400
um
>> you say we connect, you know,

587
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,680
theoretically could connect like if new
development

588
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,160
» well in some cases you you're already
connected

589
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,559
» already some places.
>> Yeah.

590
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:07,760
» But does it include
>> places that could connect? So that is

591
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:13,040
sort of out there in the planning sphere
right now about if it's in your town

592
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:18,720
plan and you have some plans to expand
sewer and water then that is a

593
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:23,040
potentially legitimate thing to do. In
your case if it's more of hey the main

594
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,280
goes through North Main Street and
there's a development in the back 40

595
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:31,359
that's pretty automatic because that is
an easy connection. That's a tea off.

596
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:38,319
It's not like an entirely new water
mane. So, there is a difference between

597
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:43,359
those two. You know, I can share with
you and you guys can go on our website

598
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:48,400
to see how much of Rutland City has been
designated as planned growth area and

599
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:55,280
you can just imagine sort of teeing off
of that on the ends that are most

600
00:50:51,040 --> 00:51:00,720
developed. So, you know, I think to your
point, Matt, I think um for Rutland

601
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Town, like Rutland City is almost
entirely infill development potential.

602
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,800
You know, it's completely built out. You
guys kind of have both. You have a lot

603
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:14,640
of infill potential with sort of like
older underutilized parcels, but also

604
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:22,000
some expansion as well, especially along
those sort of north south corridors. So

605
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,760
just need to I need to insert this brain
worm now and then we can return back to

606
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:31,119
it later.
>> Well, and

607
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,480
the commission will be looking again at
it as they're doing the plan.

608
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,040
» Exactly. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And ideally, you know, how we love

609
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:43,119
to see these things go is, you know,
there's a robust public engagement

610
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:47,760
process during the town plan
>> and this could be included potentially

611
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:53,839
as a recommendation or action item in
the town plan and then that that folds

612
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:59,280
right into a zoning development process.
Um, you know, and developing that

613
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:04,079
zoning, we can get you guys grants. We
can assist with that. You know, that's

614
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,960
not not an issue.
Yeah.

615
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:10,720
» Yeah. Last and final thing, Chip. So,
Joe's not here at the time. He really

616
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:15,839
wanted me to come back and talk a little
bit about CHIP. I'm happy to return

617
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:20,559
again, but I'll just share with you, you
know, the community housing investment

618
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:24,880
program is 200 million a year over the
next 10 years. So, the clock has

619
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:31,920
started. We're already over a year into
this. So, there are a few projects that

620
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:38,079
sound like they're percolating in town.
The biggest aspect to just keep in your

621
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:44,400
minds and know moving forward is this is
intended to

622
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:49,760
use a tax increment to pay down a bond
on a public utility or infrastructure

623
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:54,079
project that directly supports the
development. And we we use a but for

624
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:59,599
test. The development wouldn't happen
but for this public investment. So, how

625
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,520
this works is you get a public
investment upgrade essentially at no

626
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:09,920
cost because the increment of the
development's taxes will pay down that

627
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:13,760
bond over that bond life lifespan. So,
if it's about bringing utilities, what

628
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:18,079
we're trying to do is get towns to
really be bold and think outside the

629
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:24,480
box. If you guys are already
considering, hey, we want to extend

630
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:30,559
water to homes on McKinley or further
down on um Post Road. Is this an

631
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:34,319
opportunity through de supporting this
development where you can get something

632
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:38,640
out of expanding utilities at
essentially no cost? So, that is

633
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:45,599
something to sort of like consider. I
know you guys have your list here and

634
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:52,960
you know water fire districts are a
constant conversation. So that I think

635
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:58,800
is important to note and also
you know whether these uh specific

636
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:03,200
development projects I met with one of
them last Friday

637
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:07,520
um it will really be about whether there
is a municipal need or not and whether

638
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,440
you guys are willing to meet that need
through this program. Only one

639
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:16,319
application's been submitted in the
state. It's been in Mbury and it's a

640
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:22,000
middle middbury college town of Mbury
private public partnership for like

641
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:26,400
2,000 units or something crazy. Um, so
we still have a lot to learn, but we're

642
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:32,640
happy to learn those lessons for you and
relay them as we go. It's a fairly long

643
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:36,960
robust process, but I think in Rutland
Town you have a unique opportunity

644
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:44,000
potentially with a couple development
projects that are sort of coming up now.

645
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,200
» So saying we should be hearing about
something. So

646
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,720
» I think you already have. It sounds like
they might have already met with

647
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,720
Huh.
>> Howard.

648
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,400
» Yes.
>> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So that's one of

649
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,280
one of the
>> Yeah, that's a potential perfect

650
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:07,520
candidate for it.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. Yep. So housing on

651
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:13,440
post road um in a great lot. So um how
we envision this is VLCT sort of

652
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:18,880
developing the primary resources now and
have you know a set of office hours open

653
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:23,359
for towns to you know understand the
process better. There's webinar series

654
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:29,359
that are happening, but we can really be
the technical advisor and assistant as

655
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:33,680
you work through the process.
Have you have not done this yet, but

656
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:36,160
we're willing to sort of go through it
together

657
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:40,000
» as most everybody else.
>> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's that's

658
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:42,079
all I've got. Thank you guys for the
time. I appreciate it. It's good to see

659
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,359
you all.
>> Thank you.

660
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:50,000
» Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Questions before we let him go.

661
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:56,559
You did use the Z word and you didn't
throw anything at me.

662
00:55:52,799 --> 00:56:00,920
» I will. I will later.
>> Hopefully it's a meeting.

663
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,920
» Yeah.

664
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,000
» Thanks, guys. Good to see you.

665
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,599
» Um,
we are down to

666
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:23,000
» the posters.
if you'd like to take one and pass it

667
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000
down.

668
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:34,480
» Ask you all to identify yourselves.
>> Yeah, I can I can start. Um, my name is

669
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:40,319
Andrea Amidan. I'm a project engineer
with wetlands and I'm here on behalf of

670
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:43,440
the Vermont Federal Credit Union. I'll
let Nick go.

671
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,200
» Yeah. Hi everyone. I'm Nick Galerani.
I'm the chief operating officer for

672
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:52,079
Vermont Federal Credit Union
representing the credit union tonight.

673
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:55,079
It's
>> customer.

674
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:06,160
» We'll get you another chair.
>> Full disclosure. I hired this ring to do

675
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:12,079
projects down on the farm
now for a couple of years.

676
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,960
» I know. Well, I know some of your folks.
>> I figured.

677
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,880
So, uh, we're here to discuss the, um,
Vermont Federal Credit Union project,

678
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,599
which I hope you all are at least a
little familiar with. Um, I would like

679
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,400
Nick to just talk a little bit about
Vermont Federal Credit Union, um, and

680
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,920
what they their operation and their
current property in Rutland and all

681
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,680
that.
>> Yeah.

682
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:40,400
» Yeah. Thank you for your time this
evening. Uh Vermont Federal has been

683
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:44,400
operating for about over 70 years here
in Vermont, serving Vermonters

684
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,440
throughout the state. Uh we currently
have over 60,000 members, about 1.2

685
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,599
billion in assets. Here in Rutland
County, we have almost 6,000 members

686
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:58,960
that we're serving today. We have one
branch location uh located at 2 South

687
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:03,839
Main Street in Rutland City. Um that's
through a recent merger with the Credit

688
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:08,799
Union of Vermont. Um, and we're very
excited about the opportunity to expand

689
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:13,520
our presence to make a difference in the
lives of even more people here in

690
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:19,359
Rutland. Uh, and give back to the
community. We are a a organization that

691
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:24,319
believes in Vermont and Vermonters. Uh,
and as such, we are trying to expand our

692
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:29,520
reach and and give back to all of our
Vermont communities that we all love and

693
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:33,520
call home. Is that the building right at
the intersection of Orange and Seven?

694
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,280
The stop right there.
>> It is. Yeah. Just past that

695
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,240
intersection. The the next inter
intersection there. Yeah. South.

696
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,680
» Okay. All right.
>> Yes.

697
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,559
» West Street.
>> West Street.

698
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:51,400
» Mhm.
>> Homes for your old people.

699
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:51,400
» Yeah. I was just going to say that old.

700
00:58:52,720 --> 00:59:01,680
» So, yes. Um, I'll just go right ahead to
the location of this project. So this is

701
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:07,359
uh halfacre parcel at the corner of
Holiday Drive and Pop John Drive. Um

702
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:12,240
just south of the Aspen Dental for
anybody trying to locate themselves and

703
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:16,240
just east of the old Holiday Inn, now 14
in.

704
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:22,160
» So this halfacre parcel was subdivided
um around 2008 from the Holiday Inn and

705
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:27,440
Aspen Dental. That was all one parcel at
one one point. Um, it was then purchased

706
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:30,880
by the property owner to the south and
previously permitted as the Rutland

707
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:35,839
Commons project
>> and then was sold uh just recently to

708
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,440
the Vermont Federal Credit Union. So now
the halfacre car was independently owned

709
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,640
by the credit union
>> subject to act 250.

710
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,880
» It is subject to act 250.
>> Yeah.

711
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:49,119
» Yes.
>> Um and not because you don't have zoning

712
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:54,000
but because it was the Cortina in has an
existing act 250 permit.

713
00:59:50,640 --> 01:00:00,000
» I wanted to clarify with you later.
Um, so I guess I just want to flip back

714
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:04,640
quickly before I walk through the site
circulation. This is a onestory

715
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:08,079
building. Um, and just to give you some
perspective of of what the building

716
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:14,079
would look like. Um, these are the
architectural elevations. So if you were

717
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:19,200
driving down Route 7, you would see this
upper east elevation here on the top

718
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:25,280
right uh, left corner, excuse me.
And then as you drove down uh Holiday

719
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:29,920
Drive, you would come and see um this
north elevation here. And then as you

720
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:34,160
worked your way around and came through
the parking lot of the Cortina end

721
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:39,040
behind there, you would come um along
and see the drive-thru lanes here on the

722
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:42,559
west elevation. And then as you pulled
in to park on the southern part of the

723
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:46,880
parcel, you would come out and see the
south elevation. So, we can go back to

724
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:53,680
those if you have any questions. But
just to give you a better plan view of

725
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,880
the circulation we're talking about,
you've got I'm just going to stand up

726
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:01,599
because I'm a pointer. It's the Italian
and me. I can't help it. You've got

727
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:07,280
Route 7 here, not pictured. And then the
intersection here, um, and Diamond Mall

728
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:12,319
is over here. So, this is the dead end
that is Cop John Drive currently. and

729
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:18,880
then Holiday Drive here which is a
privatelyowned drive as you know. So the

730
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:24,400
site circulation as proposed would be uh
patrons would come through here if they

731
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:27,760
would like to use a teller or ATM only
transaction.

732
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,359
And then for any patrons who would want
to walk into the facility if they had a

733
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:37,040
longer transaction, they come around
Holiday Drive, come south through this

734
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:41,920
uh easement that exists already with the
Cortina Inn through this southwest

735
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:48,079
entrance um park here and the main
entrance is right here. Um so that's the

736
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:54,559
site circulation and then ATM users
would drive through here and and go exit

737
01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:58,960
out that way um on Holiday Drive.
Um the site currently proposes uh 15

738
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:05,680
parking spaces and there is a traffic
study to support that uh usage. Um

739
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:11,280
try and make sure I hit all my notes
here. Uh so this two-way I just wanted

740
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,119
to point out this two-way uh exit
entrance at the at the bottom of the

741
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:20,880
site just helps with less conflicts on
the holiday drive entrance drive

742
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:24,319
entrance which is why we um opted for
this being a oneway for the ATM usage

743
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:31,520
only.
Um

744
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:37,920
so the proposed water and sewer I can
briefly talk about that as well.

745
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:43,440
Our utility plan and grading plan which
you also received.

746
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:48,640
So the water uh service would come out
perpendicularly uh to the root 7 water

747
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:53,359
man as it exists. So, as Deon was
talking about, it would just be a a

748
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:58,240
simple T connection to the water man.
>> And then the sewer would um is quite a

749
01:02:55,839 --> 01:03:04,240
ways away from the existing sewer. So,
we would just need to run approximately

750
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:09,440
150 ft north um along across Holiday
Drive um and between the Aspen Dental

751
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:14,880
property and the shoulder of Pop John to
a sewer manhole um just after the Aspen

752
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:18,079
Dental
>> in the town's right of way or do you

753
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:23,039
have any easement?
>> That would be through the town's right

754
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:26,400
of way, which is um part of the uh
excavation in the right of way permit

755
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,680
application that we have also uh
submitted for consideration. that.

756
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:39,359
» So, um, as a credit union, you may
imagine there's not very many wastewater

757
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:44,400
flows generated by the project. So, um,
it's a pretty low usage. Um, and just

758
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,480
regarding the useful impact and the
school impact there, there's no uh, you

759
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,000
know, school age children that are
generated by the project. And Penny

760
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:55,280
Union has also stated that they would
like to hire from within the community.

761
01:03:53,680 --> 01:04:00,720
there will be nobody moving to the
community to um to work here and be

762
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:05,039
generated from here. Um to give you a
better idea of just the other pieces of

763
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:09,520
the project that we're coordinating um
there's other permits. Active 50 was one

764
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:15,119
mentioned. So we've been working with
all of the state regulators um to meet

765
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:20,400
all of the different 10 criteria and get
their buy in before we submit the

766
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:23,920
application later this uh month. And
then the other state permits that need

767
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:29,839
to be obtained would be the beach
permits. Um the water line that crosses

768
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:35,200
cop John that's in their right of way. I
think I shared with you Bill that right

769
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:38,720
of way uh provides a lot of discussions
about cop John with vrans and and we I

770
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:42,960
think I think we got a good
understanding.

771
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:46,880
» That's good to clear that up.
For clarification, the the water line

772
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:50,880
goes into the VRN right ofway, but the
sewer alignment is uh within the town

773
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:54,480
right ofway.
So, we're working with VR on on that

774
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:57,359
piece of it. And um they've also had
some questions about the site

775
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:03,920
circulation, which uh we're discussing
as well. So, that would be I mean, I

776
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:07,359
would start with that, the site
circulation and stacking, but any

777
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:11,359
stacking,
you've got three lanes coming in,

778
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:17,760
assuming they're all open, which is not
always the case.

779
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:20,319
But backup would be on a private roadway
holiday and drive first.

780
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:26,000
» Yes.
>> Right. How do you know you have enough

781
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:28,640
stacking capability the way this is
designed?

782
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:34,400
» There was a traffic study done by
Methods Consulting um that estimated the

783
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:38,319
uh generation by this credit union of
how much traffic it's going to bring

784
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:42,799
one-way trips, bypass trips um based on
a credit union that's already existing

785
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:48,880
in Mbury. and they determined a 60 foot
uh Q length was adequate um based on

786
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:52,720
three lanes being open. And then we've
also um written down in our active 50

787
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:58,880
application as they also mentioned
traffic um that any uh date tellers that

788
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:03,520
there was a an issue with queuing when
the portion in is is fully operational

789
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:07,920
or big event lets out and there's cross
traffic coming in to prevent any traffic

790
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:14,599
from backflowing on Holiday Drive. They
would just ask folks to come through and

791
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:14,599
park in the the main parking lot.

792
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:25,559
any chance of backup on to Copron Drive?
>> That has not been modeled or

793
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,559
anticipated.

794
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:35,359
» Um
there is another banking facility in

795
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:40,640
this complex a little further down on
the other side of not on Cop John Drive

796
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:49,520
but know which community Oh, the
community bank. Yes, community bank. Um

797
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:54,880
I I shop at Hannah for a lot,
but I've noticed that cars coming

798
01:06:53,280 --> 01:07:00,400
off
uh Route 7 and into that don't always

799
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,359
stop. And there's real issues sometimes
with people trying to get into that

800
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,000
bank.
>> Nothing to do with you, but people

801
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:15,440
aren't always very attentive as they're
coming off seven and into a bank. So,

802
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:19,280
» I guess I would be really careful about
designing signage and all of that stuff

803
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:24,200
because
>> you're going to have you've got some

804
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,200
conflicting.

805
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:33,359
» Sure.
>> Understood.

806
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:37,039
Uh I can keep working through the
permits that we are we are working

807
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:41,599
through if you'd like. Uh so operational
storm water is also one um that we are

808
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:45,920
obtaining a permit for um for the
treatment of imperous surface runoff. Um

809
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:51,920
so there'll be a um underground
detention system that detains storm

810
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:56,240
water and and releases it um to the uh
existing discharge point as the

811
01:07:54,799 --> 01:08:01,680
» uh it'd be down here to the southern
property.

812
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:06,000
So um storm water generally as it ex the
flow is existing these purple lines are

813
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:10,319
the existing contours. So the site
naturally slopes this way as it is. Um

814
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:13,200
we're essentially maintaining that
drainage pattern. Um putting the

815
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,440
building right here. We have some
drainage coming around here. You have a

816
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:22,080
drainage network here as well. Um catch
basins collecting the runoff. Um and it

817
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:26,159
comes into a uh these proprietary
systems are really helpful for small

818
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:30,799
sites and they um they detain the storm
water and treat it um collected into

819
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:34,960
this underground detention system. Um
again just to give you a bit more

820
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:40,080
context because it was subdivided from
the Cortina and the Aspen property and

821
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:44,400
has to meet more um stringent
requirements for storm water than a

822
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:50,080
typical lot of this size would be to
normally. Um and then it discharges out

823
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:54,719
here to this uh outlet control structure
and then discharges down here to the

824
01:08:51,839 --> 01:09:00,000
southern parcel. Uh and there's a class
two wetland down here. Um this is a

825
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,799
buffer zone here. You can't see the the
wetland on this page, but there is a

826
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:07,920
class 2 wetland.
>> All part of your property.

827
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:10,319
» Uh no, this uh this is right here is the
property line.

828
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,120
» Okay.
>> There's ement

829
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:16,560
» there is an ement in placement in place.
>> Yes. the the property was recently just

830
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:20,719
purchased and there was easements put in
place for um construction access,

831
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:25,120
temporary construction access and
maintenance up this drainage line.

832
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:30,000
» There's a cover that comes under Route 7
from in front of the car wash from their

833
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,319
storm water detention pond comes under
Route 7 and daylights

834
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:35,120
» right there
>> over this area

835
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:38,120
» just out the end of Cop Chandra.
>> Okay,

836
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:50,640
» that's storm water and drainage. Um the
last permit um the the intention is to

837
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:54,400
um hopefully avoid going into the
wetland if needed, but we've just

838
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:59,120
secured that easement if it is needed.
The grading is a bit of a challenge on

839
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:04,800
the site. So just trying to make sure we
have enough elevation in order to drain

840
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:09,040
the site effectively. So if we have to
lower the drainage system in order to

841
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:13,120
effect effectively capture the runoff,
the uh drainage pipe outlet would need

842
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:18,960
to go into the wetland buffer which
would require a state wetland permit. Um

843
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:25,280
so that that would be one we might be
seeking as well.

844
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:30,960
» Dave, where does our the cup John drive
drainage boy? Say that fast three times.

845
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,760
» Where does that go now?
>> Any place?

846
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:38,880
» Okay. Some of it's actually shown right
here. Um like you have a catch basin up

847
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:44,440
here. There's a drain pipe running
through here that discharges into the

848
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:44,440
wetland to the south.

849
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,159
» Well, I shouldn't have all the fun. What
the questions do?

850
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:08,199
I'm enjoying her. She knows what
>> she planned ahead.

851
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:08,199
» She knows we ask a question.

852
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:15,040
» So, the real reason we're here tonight
is not just to see your lovely basis,

853
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:20,640
but also to get the waste water and and
sewer allocations. So, um you know, as

854
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:25,120
as filing an active clean permit, um
this town is a a statutory party as part

855
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:31,360
of that process. So when we submit the
full application, we would um be able to

856
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:35,280
review all of the exciting exhibits um
to uh to inform yourselves even more. Um

857
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,480
those are not
>> exciting reading.

858
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,640
» Just a late night reading just to just
to help.

859
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,840
» Yeah.
>> Um so tonight what we're just trying to

860
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:51,120
obtain is just the board's approval of
the water and sewer allocation uh to

861
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:56,159
improve the sewer connection capacity.
Um and then as well get your sign off on

862
01:11:53,199 --> 01:12:00,400
the municipal impact questionnaire
which is just your authorization to

863
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:05,280
different. Okay. Just want to make sure.
>> Let me start with the water connection

864
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:09,600
and the sewer allocation request
>> and and just on the municipal impact

865
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,920
questionnaire our usual practices we
circulate to our department heads.

866
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,640
» Okay.
>> So they have a chance to comment should

867
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:20,320
there be anything. So okay that you're
probably not going to get tonight

868
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:24,080
because we need to circulate that. But
let's build on the water connection

869
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,640
request and the sewer.
>> Absolutely. No problem.

870
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,000
» Okay.
>> We're we're all

871
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:35,719
» Okay.
So, is there any motion concern those

872
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:35,719
two?

873
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:43,120
» Second.
>> Matt's move to approve both seconded.

874
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:47,440
Any discussion or questions?
>> If not, all in favor please say I.

875
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:55,239
Right.
>> She carries five

876
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,239
or sorry,

877
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:01,560
» we're not even close to the end.

878
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:08,320
» All right.
>> So, where are you guys in the permit

879
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:12,239
process and how soon would you like the
impact questionnaire back?

880
01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:17,040
» I'm just saying we're anticipating to
file acting 50 by the end of the month.

881
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:20,080
So, Sometime in the next couple weeks
we'll be at the flood.

882
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:26,000
» Yeah.
>> Can we circulate this among

883
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:31,120
pretty easy project?
>> Yeah,

884
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:36,280
» it'd be good to get it signed off.
>> Yeah, this one's not a big deal. It's

885
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,280
not a Walmart.

886
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:50,840
So that would be our plan to get this
out and get some response to on impact

887
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,840
question. Um

888
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:58,360
any questions that come to mind
on the

889
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,000
right now

890
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,520
police

891
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,000
» question

892
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:27,560
that's stuff
that the question about traffic curious.

893
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,560
» Yeah,

894
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,679
there's a picture to look at.

895
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:46,719
So, the other permit that we uh sent in
uh maybe a little preemptively was just

896
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:52,000
the the excavation and the right ofway
permit for the utility connections. Um

897
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:55,440
is that something you would also
want to approve tonight or or hold off

898
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,360
until closer to construction?
>> They don't.

899
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,000
» That's you.
>> Even I do.

900
01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:04,080
» That's you. Never mind. Never mind.
>> Those guys are tough.

901
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:08,000
» Noted.
>> It just you asked.

902
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:18,520
Where is plow storage? Where is snow
storage there?

903
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:18,520
» Uh, great question. I

904
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,520
we we can definitely make a spot for it
on the plan.

905
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:26,840
» Oh, yeah.
>> Um, for sure.

906
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:26,840
» I don't know. I would

907
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:35,120
» the plow guy like I'm on test right now.
Um,

908
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:40,080
I I mean this is a retaining wall here.
So, um, keep that in mind. So, you know,

909
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:45,760
normally, uh, I probably would probably
come in through the western entrance,

910
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:50,719
um, plow that way. Um, and I would say
either this corner over here, the

911
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:56,800
souththeast corner towards, um, towards
Cop John. Um, or maybe they could plow

912
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:00,400
storage here um, in this corner uh,
where the retaining wall ends. Kurt,

913
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,320
how' I do?
>> Yeah, that's about right.

914
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,280
» Okay.
>> I'll let you know when I get the plow

915
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:12,120
contract.
I got other counts on south end of town.

916
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,120
» We didn't hear any.

917
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:26,000
What else that we might want to ask
about? I mean, you can always

918
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:33,600
ring you up, ask you questions.
>> Absolutely.

919
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:38,480
Um what's the max uh maximum or the
number of cars going through here

920
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:41,760
anticipated at any given time, you know,
peak peak time?

921
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:45,360
» Yeah, the peak um I I believe off the
top of my head is 224 daily users.

922
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,920
» Okay.
>> Um that could be one-way trips, people

923
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:55,679
who are in like specifically going to
the credit union. Yeah. um any I think

924
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:59,360
bypass trips it's increasing to I want
to say the 300s but I don't know how

925
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:05,080
much
>> okay and there's a signal there

926
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,080
» yes

927
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:13,280
» does that need to be rettimed
or is that okay

928
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:19,600
» we have not gotten any of that feedback
from um indicating that that would be

929
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:22,960
their decision that was needed u I don't
believe that's anticipated by the

930
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:28,480
traffic study.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of um people who

931
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:33,600
scoot that way
>> um to avoid going through the

932
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:37,280
intersection up here or
>> you know sometimes they come in this way

933
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:43,520
and go up.
>> I wouldn't know myself, but

934
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:48,000
people do come down top.
>> It could be easier to make a right turn

935
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:53,199
to go south. Yes. It's also improved
things since they um instituted the

936
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:55,840
blinking lights and not just had red or
green down there.

937
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,560
» That's helped a lot.
>> Yeah,

938
01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:02,159
» they have instituted like a yellow
flashing arrow

939
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:06,560
» so that when there's no oncoming
traffic, someone's sitting in the queue

940
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:13,920
to make the turn.
>> It's still can be a little scary, but

941
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:17,679
» guess I'm there too late.
>> It's getting pedals on the right.

942
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:25,199
» Yeah. point and shoot.
>> It is 224 total one-way trips. Um 20

943
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:27,360
a.m. peak hour trips and 46 PM one-way
trips.

944
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:31,760
» Okay.
All right. And did you look at any of

945
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:36,400
the internal circulation once people are
in here and then headed off where that's

946
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,960
not part of is that 250 gonna ask about
that

947
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:45,120
» trans won't but
>> in that the internal circulation is all

948
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:50,000
standardized um like lane widths and
parking stall widths. Um

949
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:56,320
» the traffic study has guided a lot of
the decision making here. Um,

950
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:04,080
actually trying to look at everything,
but um I'm thinking of

951
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:09,280
cars coming out, picking up the money to
go grocery shopping, then coming out,

952
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:13,760
going up Copron Drive to that
intersection now with cars coming

953
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:17,440
immediately off Route 7. So that all
gets taken into account by the traffic

954
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:23,120
study. They're looking at intersections
to the north and south and kind of the

955
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:26,800
larger area and not only this property.
Um, so will be reviewing all of that as

956
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:33,960
part of the application.
>> That's right. Because that's their

957
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,960
own thing. They own that inter

958
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:47,040
» um it's a VR right away that they have
essentially turned over

959
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:50,719
approval of projects to us to manage.
>> Oh, thank you very much.

960
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:54,960
» Yeah. Right. So like the excavation
rightway if if they wanted to have the

961
01:19:53,199 --> 01:20:04,120
access from their driveway onto that
subend John drive that's up it's it's

962
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:04,120
state rightaway. It's our road. It's

963
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:12,320
» I asked because I mean there are also
cars coming in here to go to Taco Bell.

964
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:17,199
» Nope. Not here.
>> Not Holiday Drive. They go but they come

965
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:21,199
down. They go
>> intersection. This We'll make that

966
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,199
intersection here.

967
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:34,960
I think the um
the east west holiday drive is is has

968
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:38,800
the rightway because cop drive have a
stop has a stop sign. So cars coming

969
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:42,239
from the plaza direction have to stop
and they they they have to wait for any

970
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:46,719
cars are coming there. So any of the
stacking is going to go around those the

971
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:50,800
cars leaving either the Aspental Plaza,
the the

972
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:55,120
» hotel or this, they're going to have the
right away versus the traffic coming

973
01:20:53,040 --> 01:21:00,000
south of Cop John Drive.
>> Yeah,

974
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:06,040
that's the theory. Yes.
>> And I'm I'm a I'm a former credit union

975
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,040
of Vermont refugee

976
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:18,000
» and I've been in that credit union for
15, 16, 17, 18 years. And I understand

977
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:24,320
this is probably going to create more
traffic than that place does, but

978
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:27,520
there's really not there's
they have no parking. They have no

979
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,000
drive-thru. They have nothing
>> where they are now.

980
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:33,040
» Where they are now. And there's not cars
sitting in the middle of Terrell Street

981
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:36,159
or on North Main Street trying to get
into the place.

982
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,960
» It's true.
>> Is this a second branch or a replacement

983
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:44,120
branch?
>> Second branch.

984
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:44,120
» Yes, we're keeping the other location.

985
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:50,520
» All right. Any other

986
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:58,000
discussion or questions that the select
board has

987
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:01,159
» in the bill
>> get the

988
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:07,639
clarify right now.
>> Thank you so much.

989
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:07,639
» You all

990
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:18,000
you'll do the circulating on the
>> thing. Y and you'll talk to the I hear

991
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:22,480
about
>> he's he just he just signed off he's

992
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:29,880
already
read the thing first the last one

993
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:29,880
» the same

994
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:40,719
» thanks for coming along for having us
>> thanks for knowing what you talking

995
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:44,880
about
>> we appreciate that too they're great

996
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:44,880
partner

997
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,000
water bottle.
>> You have a water bottle. Okay,

998
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:55,400
» I do. Yes. Thank you.
>> Appreciate it.

999
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:55,400
» Um, is there anything else?

1000
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:05,040
» We're just starting our meeting now.
>> I did talk to

1001
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:09,440
that later.
>> Okay.

1002
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:14,080
So, I guess we just go to We don't have
any other guest visitors. We just had

1003
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:19,320
department heads just and they're very
important to the department.

1004
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,320
» Um

1005
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:27,360
» we could
try to skip unless there is an

1006
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:33,960
um well
town police chief and we do have e on

1007
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,960
that

1008
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,360
» police did

1009
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,000
So I left

1010
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,840
sheet on your desk

1011
01:23:55,199 --> 01:24:03,239
on them with numbers. So I held them
so I can get on.

1012
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:12,560
» But look at this. We had 194 calls added
last month.

1013
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:17,360
Uh 33 of those were traffic stops which
was our highest

1014
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:20,560
all added followed by suspicious
director patrols fingerprints. We're

1015
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:27,120
still getting a lot of school
fingerprints and then agency assist. Uh

1016
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:32,080
Rutland Town
was 114 and we classify Rutland Town as

1017
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:37,199
anything other than the south end.
>> Okay. So, and then 62 were Rutland Town

1018
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:41,600
South. And then eight were no value
because I don't know what happened, but

1019
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:45,760
last month dispatch kept entering calls
into the wrong zone for us. So, they

1020
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:49,280
would try to send us to Wells and
Killington and things like that, and we

1021
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:53,600
said, "No, thank you."
>> Yeah. It's not just a police thing.

1022
01:24:51,360 --> 01:25:00,080
» No.
Um,

1023
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:03,440
list of the types of calls in the areas
attached to this

1024
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:17,920
As far as arrestable offenses,
uh, retail theft for misdemeanor was our

1025
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:23,360
top one with five. And then there were
violation of conditions of release, uh,

1026
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:27,120
possession, sale, stolen property,
operation from the owner's consent,

1027
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:32,239
which is Vermont's version of grand
lararseny or grand theft auto. uh false

1028
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:38,280
information to a police officer, arrest
on warrant, trespassing, and then

1029
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,280
aggravated disorderly conduct

1030
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:49,440
» road. Should we do that in a different
meeting?

1031
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:53,679
» Uh it's a it's not to to the residents
who live there. It's we have a house on

1032
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:59,679
Glacian Road that's a problem. Uh we're
trying to work with residents on

1033
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:07,040
fixing that problem.
very much a portal road style house

1034
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:12,199
as a home.
>> That's what we're currently trying to

1035
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,199
work on that.

1036
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:26,719
» So what I mean I guess I'm used to that
other little is this a bump up in south

1037
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:29,840
end activity? I think there were two or
I think this was about four or five more

1038
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,880
calls in the south end compared to last
month.

1039
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:37,239
» Okay.
>> Um but we had more calls overall than

1040
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,239
last month.

1041
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:44,639
» Um there's no encampments on this
particular property that the credit

1042
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:47,920
union's looking at to build.
>> Not there. It's too open.

1043
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:51,520
» It's too open of a lot. It
>> is very cold.

1044
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,800
» It wasn't until we fixed the cover last
year.

1045
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:59,520
You're talking more on the southern end
of in the tall grass.

1046
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:02,520
» Oh, okay.
>> Yep.

1047
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:11,920
» Okay.
Questions before we move on to

1048
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:13,199
» I have other than item E. I only have
two things.

1049
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,560
» Okay.
>> If we're done with stats though.

1050
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:20,360
» Yeah. Unless somebody else has a
question about the numbers.

1051
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:25,440
» No, go ahead. Sorry.
>> The death investigation. I felt that was

1052
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,880
right.
>> Yeah.

1053
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,080
» Yeah. That started as something and then
turned into that.

1054
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:34,719
» Okay.
>> But that was from what the residents on

1055
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:37,719
Cordeline were talking about, I believe.
>> Okay.

1056
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:48,080
What's next?
>> Uh good news. Uh the applicant accepted

1057
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:51,840
our final offer and good.
>> They will be starting September 21st.

1058
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,440
» Great. So
>> very good.

1059
01:27:52,480 --> 01:28:00,400
» Yeah. So that is very good news.
>> And that is the patrol position that's

1060
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:03,120
been vacant since Ed went out.
>> Y

1061
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,760
» still looking for an SRO.
>> Okay. And you're covering the school now

1062
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,880
as
>> Yes.

1063
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,880
» We're not going to get into when you go
up there, but you're up there.

1064
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,600
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1065
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,600
» Um

1066
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:21,679
» maybe
>> uh got a call from Justin Belden today.

1067
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:27,360
Uh I went up there.
>> Uh a large portion of the fence was torn

1068
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:32,960
down over the weekend and
uh go on the south side of the building

1069
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:36,800
closer to Spartan.
Somebody tied a chain around doors they

1070
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,159
welded and ripped the doors off the
building.

1071
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,400
» Oh.
>> And left the doors in the middle of the

1072
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:44,239
parking lot.
>> So Beldin's crew was actually up there

1073
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:49,360
when I went up and they were working on
how they're going to secure that. That's

1074
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:52,159
they're that's the part they want to
keep.

1075
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:57,360
» Yeah, that's on the old Kmart backside
of the old Kmart.

1076
01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:01,679
» Any things missing from the entrance?
>> I have no idea.

1077
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:05,679
» All we know is
took the thing out.

1078
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:09,120
» They So, they ripped out the doors from
the building. They also ripped out one

1079
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:15,159
of the lamp post columns
>> because that's laying next to the doors

1080
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:15,159
in the middle of the parking lot.

1081
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:22,880
There's no cameras up there.
>> There was one. There were two and one

1082
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:27,600
was as it one was destroyed. Has it been
replaced?

1083
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:30,560
» Not another one either. Cuz that one was
also destroyed.

1084
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:34,239
» Both of them are gone.
>> Mhm.

1085
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:37,679
» Okay. And what's their security folks
doing up around there? Why did we get

1086
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:41,600
the call?
>> Uh so there Justin was reporting the

1087
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:47,120
vandalism because that's the criminal
side of everything. Um, as far as the

1088
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:51,440
trash, other trash that I saw that was
up there,

1089
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:55,760
that would be on the mall themselves.
>> Um, Spart I'm reaching out to Spartan to

1090
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:58,880
see what they can provide me because
their building is overlooks that side of

1091
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:04,320
the building, but I haven't heard back
yet.

1092
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:08,480
Oh, the uh site visit is Thursday,
>> which uh the mall is very well known of

1093
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,280
because when I was talking to Justin,
they were frantically trying to figure

1094
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:17,000
out how they're going to get that all
fixed by Thursday.

1095
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,000
» So,

1096
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:30,600
that is all I have for announcements.
Okay.

1097
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,600
Um so,

1098
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:40,960
Oh yeah, JP is on. Um, at our last
police committee meeting, JP called to

1099
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:48,000
our attention that there was a
thing that needed to be fixed due to

1100
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:54,480
state law um about the
the speed limit in front of the school

1101
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:59,280
on Post Road, which we have 25.
Um, state law says it's I think this is

1102
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:05,440
right. I'm sure JP will correct me if
I'm wrong. Um, and we had referred in

1103
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:12,080
our ordinance to the flashing when
lights are flashing up there. That's

1104
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:18,400
when there it's 25, but it's actually 25
at all times. So, what you have in front

1105
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:25,679
of you in your packet E
is a rewrite of that particular section

1106
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:30,800
of the ordinance so that we conform with
state law. and we've taken out the words

1107
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:36,560
flashing. So, it doesn't matter whether
the lights are on or not. Um, the speed

1108
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:42,639
zone up in front of the school is 25
miles an hour and then on either end of

1109
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:47,159
it um it's 35.
Is that Did I do it right, JP?

1110
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:55,040
» He's there.
>> He is there. I think I think I

1111
01:31:51,600 --> 01:32:02,960
» turn your radar up, JP.
So um we have you have E which is the

1112
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:10,080
new proposed ordinance language for that
particular section. And then if you turn

1113
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:16,639
the page you see page 16 of 19 which is
a section out of our ordinance

1114
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:22,400
um that has the flashing light language
that we wanted to leave. So it shows you

1115
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:25,920
the new proposed and the old as it is.
There was the question about the as set

1116
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,000
forth above.
>> Yes.

1117
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:31,920
» So you do you have mayor on your desk
that you have two versions of the

1118
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:37,600
ordinance amendment. One includes that
and one does not. So

1119
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:43,440
» well I'm I interpreted that as set forth
above. If you look at where the yellow

1120
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:48,480
highlighting is and down where it says
35 post road,

1121
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:54,800
um there is a reference to the school
zone and I I interpreted that as asset

1122
01:32:51,679 --> 01:33:00,239
forth above refers to that 25 mile
school zone just above. So I didn't see

1123
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:04,880
any excess garbage, but that's why we
have two lawyers on the board. So I

1124
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:11,760
didn't disagree on things.
>> I agree. My only question is now I

1125
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:16,080
finally got the other comments a while
ago

1126
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:18,800
it's bunch of other stuff this is
talking about. So yeah,

1127
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,440
» is it going to be a hassle if we do
this? I mean,

1128
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:25,840
» so Ted and I were talking about that
earlier. It's a 60 what if you if you

1129
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:29,360
for example if you approve the amendment
tonight,

1130
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:34,719
» it goes in for its adoption process of
like 60 days

1131
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:37,920
if you want to. The problem is that
becomes November when it takes effect

1132
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,120
which is
>> we might be having other discussions

1133
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:45,520
during November and October. So might
probably going to take over ordinance

1134
01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:50,239
changes, but we can do them in in two
different two different steps. It's not

1135
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:54,400
a big deal. It's just
more work to do the warnings, things

1136
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:58,400
like that. So there are other things
that have to get changed and I talking

1137
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:03,199
tonight over there even even in the
draft, there's still more things need to

1138
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:08,560
get changed. So, it would be more
advantageous to do this if you're ready,

1139
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:12,239
do this tonight
>> and then get into the rest of the

1140
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:16,800
changes and we can plan those and then
we have a new draft which will already

1141
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:21,040
incorporate this change but all the
other things will need to get fixed as

1142
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:25,280
well.
And I sense there was some urgency

1143
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:28,960
because you know it's the school zone
thing but

1144
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:34,480
» yeah but adopting it tonight it starts a
clock so it doesn't actually take effect

1145
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:41,080
but it will get us a lot closer.
I'll move to approve

1146
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:41,080
the amendments.

1147
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:51,679
» Motion's been made and seconded to
approve.

1148
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:57,840
Which one? The one that's in our packet.
>> Okay. The one in the envelope. It's the

1149
01:34:54,639 --> 01:35:03,520
one that says asset work above.
Yes. One in the P folder.

1150
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:07,920
That one says as set forth.
>> Oh, it's lefty as set forth above. Okay,

1151
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,560
» it's in the one I'm looking at. So
that's

1152
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:16,480
» okay. Very good. It includes the
language as set forth above which will

1153
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:19,600
make the chair feel validated useful.
>> That's what's important. That one you

1154
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:25,440
all get to sign that one.
>> Any further discussion?

1155
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:29,440
If not, all in favor of amending the
ordinance to take out the flashing

1156
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:37,800
birds, please say I.
>> I. I. Motion carries four in favor with

1157
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:37,800
one that's

1158
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:55,000
okay. So that starts the clock just

1159
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,719
» anything else for our police chief.

1160
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,880
» Okay. Thanks very much.
>> Appreciate it.

1161
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:28,280
All right. Next on the agenda. Oh, look.
It's Dave Sears down commissioner.

1162
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,280
» I bet

1163
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:38,480
short, sweet, and to the point.
>> Um

1164
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:44,239
» just expensive.
>> Yeah, it always

1165
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:52,639
» Yeah. Uh paving on the uh neighborhood
off of uh Avenue is still continuing. Um

1166
01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:55,040
they did a little bit today. They're
going to do as much as they can do

1167
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:58,639
tomorrow before it rains. And they said
they should be able to finish that up on

1168
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:04,480
Friday so that that neighborhood will be
done. Uh we paved the ditches on Gro

1169
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:09,280
Street where we replace the culverts.
Uh, so that's ready for them when

1170
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:15,280
they're ready to
uh mill and fill that. Um, they don't

1171
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:20,199
have a date yet, but they said uh
possibly mid to late next week.

1172
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:30,400
We went to the centerland fire
department today and cleaned up after

1173
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:35,760
the paving from zoom and uh painted the
parking lot and that's all happy

1174
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:42,000
and uh we have a committee meeting on
Thursday at 9:00 with Robert Clark and

1175
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:47,760
go over this East Grand View or East
Mountain View covert situation and

1176
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:51,159
figure out what is the best avenue to
fix that thing.

1177
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:58,159
That's it.
>> Did we have that flagged or noted

1178
01:37:57,119 --> 01:38:01,159
anywhere?
>> Negative.

1179
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,600
» It was noted when roads class.
>> That was a

1180
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:12,400
» noted.
>> Do we noted?

1181
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:17,040
» I guess there isn't much that we can do
to anticipate those.

1182
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:21,760
» Uh we did covert inspections last year.
the the bottom rotted out and

1183
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:26,639
paved up.
>> I guess that's why we got the this the

1184
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:31,520
collapse of the road.
>> Um it

1185
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:34,560
wasn't that way last winter. Only one
section of it. The whole thing didn't do

1186
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:38,239
it. It's just one section of the pipe
that did. So um I mean it's a galvanized

1187
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,960
pipe
>> in the middle, right?

1188
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:45,040
» Well, yeah.
>> Is

1189
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:49,040
you know I mean it's galvanized. It's
galvanized pipe and it has a lifespan

1190
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:55,280
and it's I don't know when it was put in
but probably 40 50 years ago

1191
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:58,960
got their money out of it
>> there. This is the one we looked at last

1192
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,880
week or two weeks ago.
>> Yes.

1193
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:05,119
» So there was some discussion about
getting a temporary something from the

1194
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:09,679
state to go ahead.
>> So I've got I had a discussion with Josh

1195
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,960
Carveral who's this rivers and streams
guy

1196
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:19,920
um and Otter Creek had a discussion with
him also. We have

1197
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:25,679
couple options. None of them are good
because now that it's collapsed, it

1198
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:32,000
needs to be it can't be repaired in
kind. It has to meet the standards. So,

1199
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:35,600
right now it's a 48 inch cover that's in
there.

1200
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:41,199
When it
gets a complete, it's going to look more

1201
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:45,760
along the lines of what's about to be
put in on Stratton Road. It's going to

1202
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:51,440
have to be 12 to 14 feet wide.
And

1203
01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:56,239
um we have some options. They'll give us
a permit to repair it, but the permit's

1204
01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:02,480
only good for two years. We have to do
something with it within two years

1205
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:05,199
um as a permit fix. And if we can't get
the funding and we can't get everything

1206
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:10,719
put together, they'll give us an
extension. But it's not a forever thing.

1207
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:15,199
It's a two-year window. Try to hit the
window. If you miss the window, we'll

1208
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:19,040
give you a little grace, but after that,
you got to do something. So, um, you

1209
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:22,639
know, we got the structures grant for
Straten.

1210
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:25,679
Chances of us the structures grant next
year for this are slim.

1211
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,840
» Yeah.
>> And oft

1212
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:38,400
grant mo most likely,
unless the state somehow shows mercy on

1213
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:42,159
us because the thing failed and they
bump us up the list a little bit.

1214
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:46,800
um
>> send pictures of the road.

1215
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:51,760
» Fix this place.
>> But then again, you know, and this goes

1216
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:56,480
into a discussion we were having about a
depreciation account for culverts

1217
01:40:53,520 --> 01:41:01,199
because even if I mean this this culvert
on Stratton Road is going to be

1218
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:08,000
somewhere in the 400 $450,000 range and
the state's max is 200,000.

1219
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:12,880
So the extra money that we budgeted
for that cover is going to have to be

1220
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:16,800
carried forward in this next budget
looking at down the line for this

1221
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:20,159
culvert.
You know, we're going to have to come up

1222
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:25,040
with some kind of a plan here. It I
mean, you know, the thing Devin was

1223
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:31,920
talking about tonight was
a little bit bigger in scope than what

1224
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:35,920
we I mean, that's all-encompassing, but
would fit because that

1225
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:40,159
Y
>> and this isn't the only one that's going

1226
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:45,360
to fail in the town. There's a a million
I mean there's 760

1227
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:50,159
some odd coververts in town and you know
there's a vast majority of them are

1228
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:54,960
galvanized.
>> Probably will have to be 14 ft wide.

1229
01:41:53,520 --> 01:42:00,239
Probably not all of them, but there'll
be some.

1230
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:05,840
» Hoping to see in this new color
inventory is maybe looking ahead at how

1231
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:08,800
many short structures
which which covers will have to be

1232
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:12,719
upgraded,
>> you know, and like so this this cover is

1233
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:17,360
downstream of the one that was replaced
on Town Line Road two years ago, three

1234
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:22,639
years ago. And as they go downstream,
they get it has more storm water that it

1235
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:27,440
collects. So they get bigger as they go
down the hill. So this one, this one's

1236
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:33,119
going to be 14 ft wide. The next one
down, not even sure what that really is,

1237
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:36,159
but that one could be 18 ft wide. I
mean, they just

1238
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:37,920
» Yeah, I think the next one after that's
the city.

1239
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:43,440
» Okay. Well, then we're all good there.
But

1240
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:48,480
» they can have it estimate for
replacement cost.

1241
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:50,880
» I mean, you I know you want to go to the
meeting.

1242
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:55,280
» I know. Well,
>> I'd say 3 350 is on the cheaper side,

1243
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,920
probably at
>> on a walk day. Yeah.

1244
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:02,639
» Yeah.
>> I mean, the engineers the engineers

1245
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:05,119
estimate for Straten Road was half
$500,000.

1246
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:10,520
» Okay.
>> We're coming in hopefully a little bit

1247
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:10,520
less than that, but

1248
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:16,159
they don't get cheaper.
>> No.

1249
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:19,440
» Prices don't go down. Passive fuel $6 a
gallon all of a sudden.

1250
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:25,440
» Okay.
And I'll be bringing that probably the

1251
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:28,719
next time uh is the uh hubards asked for
something for fuel for this year for

1252
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:31,520
plowing.
>> So I'm trying to work something out with

1253
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:33,679
them and I'll I'll have that. Hopefully
I'll have that nailed down by next week

1254
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:37,280
or next
>> years ago.

1255
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:41,920
» Yeah, we did what my first year here 22.
>> Gave them a fuel stipen.

1256
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:45,920
» Yeah, remember we didn't need it for a
few years, but I guess we're back.

1257
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:48,719
» Yeah, we're back.
Almost tipped over this morning when I

1258
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:54,400
came by the Irving down on South Main
Street. It was 609 a gallon.

1259
01:43:51,600 --> 01:44:00,400
Drove into a pole.
Kidding me.

1260
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:05,679
» Hey. Um, well, we have had a couple of
bids here on heating oil, but we'll go

1261
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:09,440
through those later. I can't blame those
on you. So,

1262
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:14,080
» um,
>> and then the only other thing on the the

1263
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:18,719
action items is G for the quarter line
thing.

1264
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:25,040
» Okay. This is we asked Bill last week to
come up with a schedule to do the

1265
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:30,880
whatever is necessary for public warning
site inspection and then um whatever

1266
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:35,760
waiting period
to

1267
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:39,679
um standardize that's probably the best
way the speed limit on quarterline road

1268
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:44,159
to
>> road class of course road classification

1269
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:50,080
» get that in there but that's road
classification for class three parts of

1270
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:54,639
it are class 4 and we're going to
presumably

1271
01:44:52,080 --> 01:45:00,960
um standardized.
Um so any questions, concerns on

1272
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:03,280
» October 20th would be the kind of come
up with that that's that's a board

1273
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,440
meeting night.
>> Yeah.

1274
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:10,400
» And that
give me a comfortable amount of time to

1275
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:14,639
get the notices out in the morning.
>> Okay. Um, and then that studying that

1276
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,920
date, everything else kind of works off
of that. So,

1277
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,440
» okay,
>> there's a couple other things here and

1278
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:22,000
there, but it's but if that becomes the
date that that's the date everything

1279
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:25,920
kind of works off of.
>> Okay.

1280
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:29,600
» Um,
>> that would involve so

1281
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:31,760
» and does that give you enough time to
get notices out to people?

1282
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:37,199
» Yes. Okay.
>> Trying to account for

1283
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:41,280
speed of the post office currently. Um,
>> see the certified does help get there a

1284
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:45,679
little bit more quickly, but I didn't
know if you want to change the times at

1285
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:49,920
all. Like I did 5:00 for on the road and
then 6:30 for the hearing.

1286
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:54,960
» It usually only takes about maybe half
an hour up there and if it's raining or

1287
01:45:52,560 --> 01:46:02,119
snowing um would be a shorter meeting
and then it gives us an

1288
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,119
» I could just walk out.

1289
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,880
Um, so that I think that gives us enough
time.

1290
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:12,639
» You think so? Yeah.
>> Okay.

1291
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:16,719
» Questions we're going to answer on the
road anyway.

1292
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:22,639
» Can't really
It's not it's it's it's just for the

1293
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:26,080
board.
>> And then is then

1294
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:28,639
» just meet here and go there and run to
the Well,

1295
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:31,679
» I'm gonna start there because I'm kind
of close.

1296
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,199
school year at least time.

1297
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:48,639
» Um and then there's is the public
meeting back here the same night or

1298
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:52,880
» that that was the plan. Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. No, we can do it.

1299
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:55,280
» That's where people can
either.

1300
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:58,960
» Okay.
>> Very nicely stated.

1301
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:04,080
» Yeah.
Right. Um, do we need to formally

1302
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:08,400
approve the process?
>> Doesn't require a motion because they

1303
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:15,199
you certainly can.
>> All right. Why don't you

1304
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:20,560
Let's do a motion. Let's um approve the
schedule set out by our town

1305
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:27,440
administrator and proceed with warning
the change of road classification on

1306
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:35,119
Quarterline Road from
three and four variously to all three.

1307
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:39,280
» Good motion.
Motion's made and seconded. Any further

1308
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:42,800
discussion?
>> Look real good in the minutes in front

1309
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:45,600
of it.
All in favor, please say I.

1310
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:51,840
» I.
>> I.

1311
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:58,000
Any oppose? Motion carries. 4 Z. Okay.
Um.

1312
01:47:53,920 --> 01:48:02,679
That takes care of that.
Anything else for our road commissioner?

1313
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:09,760
» On the uh you can ask him while he's
here. The Stratton Road contract

1314
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:16,400
document. Parts need to get filled in.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One section is

1315
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:23,360
someone that saw you sign it needs to
sign it that says they saw you sign it.

1316
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:27,280
» And the other one is the designated uh
town official

1317
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:34,639
which
gave but that's you guys. Um the minutes

1318
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:40,480
from the
August 14th who was here in August 14th

1319
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:48,239
will was everybody.
>> Okay. So um since you were all here I

1320
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:53,840
will say that this is my signature and I
signed it on 82526

1321
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:57,280
and surely you remember
>> my motion wasn't it?

1322
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:01,119
So Matt, she's filling that the attest
and the title part and then the

1323
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:08,480
designated
>> then we need a motion to designate Dave

1324
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:14,560
» as the town's
>> designated authority to do something

1325
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:21,159
probably pay for it
>> can write down a six-digit number just

1326
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:21,159
anybody else can

1327
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:28,840
» you want to make the the other motion
and the town's designate.

1328
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:38,800
» Motion's made. Is there a second?
>> Second.

1329
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:44,400
» And seconded
discussion.

1330
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:52,719
If not, all in favor, please say I.
>> I.

1331
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:56,400
We put in the uh we put in the uh here.
Yes, you can. Yeah, you can fill that or

1332
01:49:54,000 --> 01:50:02,320
I can do it later. It's fine.
That I'm going to or it gets away. I'm

1333
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:06,719
going to put in
>> Does somebody have to sign saying that

1334
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:11,719
we made that motion too?
>> There is not a signature line for that.

1335
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:11,719
» Okay, very good.

1336
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:25,600
» Okay. Goes in the pink folder.
>> Good color.

1337
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:32,520
What do you call it?
>> Okay.

1338
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:32,520
» To talk about this translator

1339
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:54,239
» is a rebuttal for my rebuttal. It's
their It's their followup.

1340
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:59,119
» Thanks for that.
>> They're not going to Why don't we use

1341
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:02,440
full sentences and just describe for the
record what

1342
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:12,080
» based upon the historical permits,
agreements, uh previous efforts to

1343
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:19,040
install a second left-hand turn lane
which VR posed when that was done. uh in

1344
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:24,239
the presence of the traffic study that
we provided them and the absence of new

1345
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:27,520
traffic data from the new store that is
under construction and the one that may

1346
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:31,440
be under construction. They are
declining to support our proposal to

1347
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:37,080
remove the island and install their
driveway.

1348
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,080
» All right.

1349
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:42,920
» Apparently that made it rounds.

1350
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:54,000
I got to be transit that it made around
people felt a lot of attention. So

1351
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:58,639
hoping that if we maybe back go I I
talked a lot of the owners see if we can

1352
01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:02,000
get their traffic information and
or if we want to how we want to do with

1353
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:08,880
this if we want to keep keep trying to
go after this.

1354
01:52:04,239 --> 01:52:11,280
» Let's have Joe in on the discussion too.
>> Yeah.

1355
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:18,960
I think we just go down there, take the
island out, repaint it, and let them

1356
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:21,760
rock
>> cuz there's the light that if you get on

1357
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,400
there and look at it, the lights down
there work for what we're trying to do.

1358
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:28,560
» So,
>> it's just not the extra one that they

1359
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:33,440
want, but the lights that are there's a
there's a righthand turn one that comes

1360
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:36,800
on and signals right turn. It works.
Yeah, I've I've not had a problem

1361
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:42,000
getting out.
>> They they addressed a concern about

1362
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:46,560
truck traffic or ferals having a
difficult a more difficult time trying

1363
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:51,159
to cross two left hand one right hand
turn lane rather than just one of each

1364
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:51,159
right now.

1365
01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:57,840
» Did you talk about a slip lane that we
were going to put in? We let go of that.

1366
01:52:54,880 --> 01:53:03,760
That that was
>> a little dig at us, wasn't it?

1367
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:08,639
» There kind of was. Um, but there's no
real good solution for that. I mean,

1368
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:13,599
unless we
legitimately

1369
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:18,800
just eliminate that section of Cop John
Drive and there is no more that little

1370
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:22,719
that little section beyond the Feral
Road part that goes Feral Road to to

1371
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:25,760
Holiday Drive.
>> I don't see them obviously that's that's

1372
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:28,880
a
>> the whole step, but but we would have to

1373
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:31,199
do that with a slip lane because we
could we couldn't have traffic crossing

1374
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:36,320
anyway. So
>> yeah,

1375
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:41,440
» I mean maybe a a a comprehensive look at
between those two intersections given

1376
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:46,480
there's now this credit union coming in.
Are there changes additional changes

1377
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:50,800
that make sense on a bigger scale that
could be trans right away you know that

1378
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:55,119
they could they could help help support
throughout throughout that whole section

1379
01:53:52,159 --> 01:54:01,080
of Cop John Drive.
Yeah.

1380
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:01,080
» Oh my just wanted a traffic just

1381
01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:06,480
So,
>> okay.

1382
01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:10,719
» Uh, the short answer is no. Like I don't
think I don't think it's it's a forever

1383
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:13,840
no. It's a we we need to make a better
case for them and till we do that that's

1384
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:19,400
not going to go anywhere.
>> I'm not sure that's a huge priority.

1385
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:26,800
» Okay. Well, thanks for your input on
that.

1386
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:32,159
Anything
else for our road commissioner?

1387
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:37,840
» I just got one more thing. Had you taken
my advice last meeting, you would have

1388
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:42,960
been home half an hour ago.
I'm out.

1389
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:45,760
» Yeah. Thanks a lot.
>> Good night everybody.

1390
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:51,119
» Good night.
Well, okay.

1391
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:54,119
Uh Chris Clark, town fire chief
>> there.

1392
01:54:55,280 --> 01:55:02,599
probably asleep.
>> Do you have anything for Kim?

1393
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,800
» Can you hear me?
>> There he is.

1394
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:15,520
» There we go.
>> Hi, Chief.

1395
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:21,360
» Hi. How is everybody?
>> Oh, hunky dory. Thank you.

1396
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:28,400
» Oh, good. Good. Uh, just one thing. Uh
the radios we ordered have come in. So

1397
01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:34,080
in your paperwork there is the bill. Uh
like we discussed I took it out of the

1398
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:39,440
depreciation fund until
um

1399
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:44,080
Mr. Walmart starts his construction and
repays us back. So there is a bill in

1400
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:49,280
there from the depreciation fund for the
radios.

1401
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:53,119
» Yes, we saw that. and the police
department has a little bit in there,

1402
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:57,920
too. And I noticed that the costs were
split between the two of you. So, thank

1403
01:55:56,239 --> 01:56:02,400
you very much. And we did approve it
earlier.

1404
01:55:59,599 --> 01:56:07,760
» Yes. Perfect. So, that's all I had. So,
I know you have a long night. So, uh,

1405
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:13,040
unless you have a question, I'm good.
>> Anything else for our fire chief? Okay.

1406
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:15,760
Thank you very much, Chris. Appreciate
it.

1407
01:56:13,679 --> 01:56:21,440
» Thanks. Have a good one.
>> You, too. All right, Marie Fagnant, town

1408
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:26,480
listister.
And we have

1409
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:32,080
the error emissions.
>> Yes, we can. Um, we're looking under

1410
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:37,760
action item F, errors and emissions
certificate for the listers. And this

1411
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:44,480
one actually gives us more value in our
grand list, right?

1412
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:53,360
» Yes, it does. It is a significant uh
change that was um prompted by the

1413
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:58,159
entity because the state actually had
incorrectly

1414
01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:02,960
valued their utility property.
So, uh kudos to them for reaching out

1415
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:09,040
and saying that they actually owed us
more and it's assessed under the real

1416
01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:15,520
estate uh property. So, at the same
time, I was just checking my emails and

1417
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:23,360
the other entity that had purchased all
the equipment that we had to purge on

1418
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:28,480
the last ENO has indicated that they
need to report and reconcile that

1419
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:36,000
equipment as well. So, we are going to
come back up even more. Um, so those are

1420
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:40,560
really developments. Yes. So, I'm going
to keep it short. That's basically all

1421
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:45,280
we have. So, if we could sign those, I
can get uh revised or sign that one.

1422
01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:50,560
I'll have to do the next one for the
next meeting. Um we'll get revised bills

1423
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:57,440
up.
>> Okay. Um this is the Arizona missions

1424
01:57:54,080 --> 01:58:03,119
certificate already approved by Marie uh
Fagnet and Kathy Capitansky

1425
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:09,960
to increase the grandless value of
Vermont Transco. LLC

1426
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:09,960
by 73,837.99.

1427
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:17,119
Um, so and we all get to sign. So, is
there a motion to approve?

1428
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:20,159
» Move.
>> Second.

1429
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:24,800
» Motion's made and seconded. Any further
discussion?

1430
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:28,880
If not, all in favor, please say I.
>> I.

1431
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:32,880
» I. Motion carries.
Okay.

1432
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:39,159
» Very good.
and I will take my lead. Thank you

1433
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:39,159
everyone. Have a great night.

1434
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,360
» Nice.

1435
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,880
I'm rep director.

1436
01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:43,760
We we have a couple of senior uh senior
activities coming up. If the seniors

1437
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:48,639
would like to take advantage of them,
we're going up at some point uh to the

1438
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:54,239
top of Killington, the senior stop at
Killington on the gondola for the

1439
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:57,719
foliage and we're going to do a modified
version of