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Good evening, everyone. I'm Councillor Judy Brownoff. I'm Acting Mayor for the month of June, and I'll be chairing this meeting. I'm going to call the June 8, 2026 Committee of the whole meeting to order. And as we always do, I'll have Councillor Chambers read out or territorial statements and diversity statement, please.

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Thank you very much, Chair Brownoff. Hello.

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So it is appropriate that we begin by acknowledging that the District of Sanage lies within the

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territories of the Lake Wangan peoples represented by the Songhis and the Squamalt nations,

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and the way Sanage peoples represented by the Sartlet, Pacquichin, Seyot, Sycom, and Malahat

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nations.

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We are committed to celebrating the rich diversity of people in our community.

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We are guided by the principle that embracing diversity enriches the lives of all people.

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So we all share the responsibility for creating an equitable and inclusive community and for addressing discrimination in all forms.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Public input has always been an important item on our council meeting agendas and welcomed in person.

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Sanuch encourages public input via email or written submission in person or by video on MS teams.

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For those wishing to address Council via MS Teams, the link is available at www.sanage.ca

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forward slash agendas.

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The deputy corporate officer will provide further details on providing input prior to the

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public input portion of the agenda.

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This meeting is being live webcast and by participating in this webcast you are consenting to being recorded.

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personal information including your image and personal opinions may be collected and disclosed as part of the council proceedings on the video.

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The recording will be available on the district's website for further access.

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When presenting to council, please do not provide any third party information.

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For example, talk about others.

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As you may be disclosing other people's personal information without their consent.

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We require respectful dialogue at this meeting.

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If your behavior and language is disruptive or harmful, we reserve the right to stop your

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input or remove you from the meeting.

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We also ask that you consider others when listening and reacting to any comments this evening, whether

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you may support or oppose a particular item.

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We want everyone to feel comfortable and welcome to participate and share their views.

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Thank you for making this a space for thoughtful, constructive discussion.

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I'll now request the Deputy Corporate Officer to please introduce the next agenda item.

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The agenda item is public input, and this is specific to the committee at the whole at this point for 3308-3312.

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to Tennyson Avenue, and there is no individuals

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that preregistered to speak.

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So for those wishing to address council,

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via MS Teams, the meaning link is located

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as Chair Brownoff mentioned at sanwich.ca slash agendas.

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Information is also displayed on the screen for convenience.

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And for those participating through MS Teams,

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please leave your video display off in microphone muted,

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except when addressing council.

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If you wish to speak,

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you must use the raise-your-hand function to join the speaking queue.

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Speakers are going to have up to three minutes each to address council on this application.

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If you're representing a community association, please let us know and you'll have up to

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six minutes.

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And in accordance with the committee of the whole terms of reference, the applicant will

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have up to 30 minutes to address council.

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As there is nobody who has preregistered to speak, I'm just going to look to within chambers

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if there's anybody who wishes to come forward, or as I mentioned, if you're on teams,

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please use the raise your hand feature. Please come forward.

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Good evening, Councilman. My name is Matt McGee. I live in the Brayford area.

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I want to talk just briefly about the Tennyson

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development of project wherever you want to call it. I hope you turn it down.

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Industrial land, once it's gone, will never come back. I was at my granddaughters,

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Great 12th graduation yesterday at UVEC.

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She goes to Royal Bay.

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And I was amazed at how many of the graduates were saying,

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I'm going into commotion, I'm going into the trades, you know.

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It used to be everybody was going to university to be a teacher or something like that. But I was, I mean, probably more than half, well, I don't know, some, some didn't declare, but I would suggest that most more people were going to come

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most than you, and into the trades. And if you think about, you know, the implementation of AI, a lot of jobs are going to go sideways, but one of the things that's not going to go sideways is trades, hands, hands on kind of stuff. And I think, you know, you need to preserve

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of as much as possible what you have here.

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What's being built is basically a storage building

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which probably is appropriate in some places,

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but in this case, we don't know the kind of jobs,

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especially with sourcing stuff back into Canada

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and things like that.

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I think we need as much of the industrial land

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as we possibly can.

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I can't see anything, we have a lot of people going

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from office commercial to housing, but I can't see anybody going the other way, so we should keep what we have.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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If there's anybody else wishing to address council, please come forward at this time or use the raise your hand feature within teams in a reminder.

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This is specific to the Tennyson application.

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Welcome.

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Welcome.

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So, my name is Tim Smith.

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I own the property at 3311 and 3309 Tennyson,

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directly across the road from this proposal.

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All my family built our business in 1975.

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It was the first commercial building on Tennyson.

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I view this new building as a new chapter for Tennyson.

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As the first original building there of commercial,

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there's been no significant change.

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Basically, there's a lot of parking lots,

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number yards, towing yards, and what not.

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There is two other storage facilities nearby.

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I don't see how this would be out of that realm,

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but I do see it as a new chapter for Tennyson

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and the Douglas Corridor building up

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And improving and really making it a nicer neighborhood and a better commercial usage of the property than what it currently is.

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So I would ask council to support this as myself being a direct neighbor across the road.

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Thank you for my time.

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Thank you, if there's anybody else who wishes to address council, please come forward

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at this time.

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Good evening, so this is the proposal on the eight-storey storage facility.

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Could you give us your name in there?

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I'm Nathan, I live in Sanage.

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This is the proposal on the eight-storey storage unit.

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I mean, I see there's other storage unit facilities nearby, so I wouldn't be against it.

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But, you know, as the staff report says, you know, they say this proposal doesn't bring much

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employment to the area because most of it is just storage. So I think it's important to look at

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kind of the broader region of Uptown Douglass, you know, if we want some more, you know, employment in the region, you know, I think we need to think about what the zoning regulations in the area is, you know, I looked at the Uptown Douglass plan that's going to be reviewed upcoming and they say, you know, financial viability of projects is

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important in terms of, you know, how tall we can keep these, how tall we allow the

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developers to go. So, you know, so, I think that that broader region needs to be thought

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about, I mean, I heard some of the residents here, they support this project, and it's got

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the proposal has gone on for a few years, so maybe it's time to make a decision or maybe we need to,

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you know, put in that uptown Douglas plan, we will include it in that region.

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All right, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Nathan, you might just provide in your last name for to include in the minutes. Nathan Aing.

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If there's anybody else who wishes to address council, please come forward at this time. Or if you're participating via MS teams, please use your raise your hand feature.

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Welcome. Good evening, council. Sir. My name is Carol Hamon. I'm here on behalf of the Mount View Cloud Quick Community Association. Thank you for this opportunity to speak tonight.

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to this issue. We were first made aware of this project application in January of 2023.

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That's more than three years ago. It should be noted that the Mountview

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Cuckett Administration has not had any contact with the developer or with the owners of the

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neighboring properties. I would like to clarify the comments, the brief comments that we sent in

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in January. It is because Mount View Community Association takes a broad view of the type

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of projects that are supportable within the Tennyson industrial quarter. I say supportable.

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Maybe they don't meet the letter of the law, but this is a certainty to me a supportable

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project. I would like to see this application proceed without any more delays. The Tennyson

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Human industrial quarter was envisioned during the uptown Douglas process, as an area

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of businesses that really are not acceptable within housing areas.

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Not specifically that we stressed how many people were being employed, but that we were

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stressing that there was a likeness to the projects, that they needed to be there, that they had

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in housing areas. At that time, I understood it to be a place of necessary services,

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not only activities that are labor intensive. Workforce employment is changing,

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and it would be a mistake to think that all light industrial work is labor intensive.

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We see the new kinds of jobs that are being done by machines and in light industry, and

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that we find that it is not the same as what I envisioned when we first talked about this.

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Currently the Tennyson area contains a wide range of users, not just light industry.

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The vision of what the Tennyson area can become needs to be reviewed because there are changing

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needs of what is broadly defined as light industry.

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Looking it up on the internet, I found that it is perhaps something that I have misunderstood

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over the years.

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There does not appear to be a lot of interest in light industry companies moving into this

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area.

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We need to find out why.

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We need to find out what the modern needs are of light industry, and how sandwich can support this kind of growth.

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If self-storage buildings are to be regulated, then start the process after this project is approved.

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So that future applicants know what to expect.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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there's anybody else who wishes to address Council, please come forward.

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Okay.

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In accordance with the Council for Seager by law, if the applicant wishes to provide

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their presentation, it would be done done so now during public input and you would have

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up to 30 minutes to address Council.

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I know that we have a PowerPoint loaded, so I believe that there is an intention to do

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Great.

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Good evening, everybody.

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It's nice to see folks.

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My name is Kaylee Weisman, and I'm the planning consultant supporting this proponent on the application.

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I'm just going to quickly do introductions, and I'm going to turn it over to some of the other team members.

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And I want to thank all of the public as well who have spoken with and sharing their thoughts.

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Every time I hear Carol speak, I think I should hire her as a planner.

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I'm sure you feel the same.

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And thank you very much, Chancellor Chambers, for starting us off in a good way with the territorial acknowledgement.

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So I'm going to turn this over briefly to the owner and the applicant to go through a brief.

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The history of the site, the current use, and the long-term vision for the site. I'm going to turn over to our Architectural team to talk about the project design, the buildings, and the highlights. And then I'm going to share a bit about policy alignment from our perspective, as well as a summary of the process to date. As a planner, I found that has been quite interesting, and I just joined the project approximately a year ago, and then we'll wrap up with some of the communities with the economic benefits, as well as some opportunities based on the staff report.

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So I'm going to turn it over to Brent.

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He's the owner and operator of the site, and then he'll be followed by Jackson Lowe, the principal at Lohem and Rural Architects, and then I'll step back up.

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Thank you, Kayleigh. Thank you for the introduction.

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Welcome.

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Thank you, Councilwoman and Council.

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My name is Brent Timchark.

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I have been in business and soundage for 33 years.

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I've been a neighbor of Tim's for 33 also.

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So, I started my business in Sanwich.

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I'm not a developer.

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I'm not a real estate speculator.

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I'm actually a journeyman lineman by trade.

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And I employ 40 people on that site presently

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in various construction companies.

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All heavy construction, excavation,

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trucking, power line, utilities and pump stations etc. I have journeyman welders,

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journeyman pipe fitters, journeyman lineman, journeyman electricians. I saw

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personally on that site I have indentured and trained over 100 tradespeople.

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vision for that site is to continue that, is to continue the industrial aspect

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the area. But businesses changed over the 33 years that I've been on that site, but nothing

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in that area has during that same time period. So, I've been wanting to use that site to

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its highest and best use, still focusing on its industrial heritage and the need for industrial,

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because I obviously am one of those people.

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So I contacted Jackson Low and we came up with a plan of what would be the highest and best use for that area and not facility.

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We came up with a building plan that is not perfect but is in alignment with the parameters that are presented to us.

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The building is very versatile, it is always called cell storage, but really it is an empty

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industrial building.

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So rather than taking too much of your time here to explore my vision, I will pass it

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back to the experts in the field.

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And I hope you support this, it is important for the future of soundage, that area Tennyson

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is kind of the forgotten oak street.

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It is just one block over on the other side of the road, and it doesn't get much attention.

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It needs something.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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Acting Mayor, Council, thank you for allowing us to speak this evening.

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I will briefly talk about the current design, the existing sites that the two buildings

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are on, current buildings are on, are currently zone residential.

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And with this proposal, it's an opportunity to rezone it to, accordingly, to light industrial

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uses, and that's sort of part of our goal as well, to bring it back into what Savage wants

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it to be.

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Here you see the general layout of the site plan where the building basically fronts

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on the Tennyson and it sort of wraps around Banga Place and then all the parking and all the

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access for underground parking and so on is off of Banga Place off of the cul-de-sac in the back.

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Here you'll see the proposed uses on the main floor plan which is basically light industrial

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uses on the main floor plan. We originally started off with

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It was asked of us to have the first and second floor of this building to be basically 50% light industrial.

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So we did that, and we're asked to create two, three CRU units within that main floor to create an active sort of frontage, which is also why we have the huge setback from Tennyson to create a more public realm space off of ten.

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So that if there are sort of CRUs and uses that that will have people come and visit and can stay and sit for a while that that space has created that.

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Then as we moved down a few more months, we were asked to turn the whole floor into light industrial.

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So we did that because we weren't, that wasn't up to us to determine so we did that for the main floor and we did that to the second floor which is all light industrial.

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So this property will remain light industrial and you'll probably find that in this area and other areas

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They're very rarely more than a two-story light industrial building. So the stories above that are not light industrial.

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So what we've proposed was from level 3 to 7 would be the storage unit facility, which will occupy those spaces.

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Once again, large open spaces generally, just a grid of columns, and it will be in filled with storage units if that's the use that we're allowed to do.

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And so largely as Brent has said, it's a large light industrial building with open spaces.

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Say for the seventh floor or eighth floor rather, which will house Brent's office and operations for many companies that he's operating out of.

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So it gives them a consolidated sort of office space because currently they're sort of spread out between a few buildings and

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It'd be nice to just consolidate his staff back together in one location

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So haven't said that we were asked to design a building which which will start to uplift the area and create some renewal and

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Regentification of this light industry area that is largely mix mix of one story

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three older buildings built in the 70s and some existing residential buildings that have been used for offices for

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light and dust will use, such as the current two buildings that are on tennis and that we're planning to remove.

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As you can see, we're not creating a box.

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You think of a storage unit or a light and dust real building would be just a simple box, metal siding, that's it.

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You know, you get very little, very little

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fenestration, no windows, and so on.

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But here you have a building that actually expresses itself

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a little bit more, and is a little bit more unique

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and creates a bit of an image in the whole area.

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And hopefully that will spur on other land owners to think,

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yeah, we can upgrade this area a little bit more

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and create new building, larger buildings

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that they suit like industrial use as well.

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The building, as you can see, that's a sun shadow study.

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Basically, it doesn't cast much shadows because it's on the south side of the street and

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Banga places on the north side. So the shadows are cast basically on Banga place.

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So from this rendering, you can see that there's a mix of materials.

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basically the whiter, whiter areas are basically a polycarbonate material which allows for light to come in and to go out, but you can't see within it, which is perfect for a light industrial sort of scenario where the uses aren't meant to be for you to be able to see out or for you to see in.

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And it's just an empty space.

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The first two floors are taller for light industrial use, so they're 16 feet floor to floor,

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so that allows for light industrial uses.

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And it basically has, it's in set from the street and

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the light and the storage units are sort of overhanging the front of the building that way.

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And then up on the floor is his offices, which is set back from the street.

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so its perception is not at each story building but more of a seven story building.

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From Banga Place because the street basically dips down pretty well a story.

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From Banga Place it maybe can conceive there's a eight to nine story building from that part of it.

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We've got a mix of sort of wood like material, we've got steel material, we've

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We've got cement fiber material as well. And you can see up on the roof, there's sort of a screen that will screen all the HVAC equipment that's going to go up on the roof.

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At this point, I'll turn it back over to Kaylee. Thank you very much.

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All right, folks. I have content, heavy slides, which is, I know a no-no. However, I wanted to share with everybody the history of this project in general. As I mentioned, I just joined it about a year ago.

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But while Brent's been in the community for a long time, the proposal has been in process for over eight years and then therefore been subject to multiple OCPs and multiple policy and plan changes.

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So for example, you're now looking at a pre-zoning process for Uptown Douglas, but this project was already in play when the previous Uptown Douglas or existing one was approved.

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Similarly, the first application was subject to the previous OCP and now we found ourselves in this OCP.

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We've also had multiple planners in different directions throughout that time.

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And for example, the December policy that brought through about the definition around

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self-storage, I believe, was in part informed by the process that this applicant has gone

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through, where there really has been a lack of clarity and definition about its self-storage

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industrial, or is it a commercial use.

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And so in part, I think the proponent and the design team has really kind of listened

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to staff and taken their direction over time to land on where we are today.

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And yeah, I've got a long litany of alignment in the policy pieces.

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So as I mentioned, this place site is located in Sandwich Corin,

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tennis and industrial area.

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It does support all of the uses that we're proposing.

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We're proposing a unique spot zone on the site that I'll touch on briefly.

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And it does respond to an economic development plan that the owner engaged a consultant years back

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to look at, as he mentioned, the best and highest use to make sure he is making

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informed decision about what the future demand is for this area and in Sandwich.

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We've had multiple conversations with different residents and different neighbors about the

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demand for self-storage. I think it's no surprise to everybody when you see your housing

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applications come forward these days, that we're building smaller and smaller units and less and less

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storage and expensive non-rentable space in these dwellings. And so we know there's an absolute

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demand for it, both in Sandwich across the CRD.

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So we've listed many, many policy alignments,

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both with the OCP and the current uptown Douglas. I'm not going to go through these,

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but in our opinion, the staff report touches on a few of them, but we worked really hard

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to make sure this most recent submission made as much direct alignment as possible, especially

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understanding that this is the first somewhat substantive application to come forward in this

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neighborhood. Brett and the owner spoke to the socioeconomic opportunities, but equally,

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I think, the viability going forward in this current market and supporting somewhat

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a lot of substantive economic development and construction opportunities is important

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to consider.

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The Uptown Douglas Plan also right now does really embody a lot of what this land use

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change is looking for.

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You'll see on our on Jackson's plans as well, he didn't speak to, but the street frontage

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and street improvements as well.

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It meets a lot of the urban forestry canopy and a lot of the active transportation targets

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that Sandwich is seeking through a commercial industrial project which was quite unique.

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It's also very centrally located as folks know.

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And so, it's not including, Santa's residents don't go to Langford or to further feel to

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access some of these, not just industrial and job skills employment opportunities, but

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also storage needs, which are, frankly, what residents require.

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Here's another long list of them.

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We've gone through as well various iterations to consider some of the SEPTED and safety

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and concerns that are happening in this neighborhood, because there's a lot of day activity

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in the Tennyson quarters, you can all imagine, and very little night activity.

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And so, there will be 24-hour employment as well as 24-hour surveillance because self-sourge

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if that is ultimately the end use of portion of the building is a 24-hour and secured

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site activity.

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So, I will just say that industrial use is still the primary use of the site.

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96% of the two bottom fours are still dedicated to industrial use.

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That's where we've landed right now after going back and forth with Sandwich multiple times.

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There's not just space for this owner operator to be retained in Sandwich and not lose him,

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but there's space for future industrial tenants,

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sort of our understanding of the standards

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is increasingly being requested to provide space for.

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It does advance the Uptown Douglas Plan,

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which is great for the neighboring neighborhood

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and the units adjacent to it as you've heard folks speak about tonight,

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as well as it does enhance that street scape

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and helps slowly, maybe incrementally,

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implement some of those public realm improvements

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that everyone wants to see.

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So here's our site specific zone.

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What we've tried to achieve is flexibility

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while providing some certainty to Sandwich and the neighbors.

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Residents, of course. We've only got 50% law coverage that I'm sure you noted when Jackson showed his plans, and the first photo we showed right now, shows very little site coverage. It's actually two historic duplexes that Brent has been operating since the beginning of his business. It's currently a split zone, so we're actually moving this whole zone kind of rectifying his non-conforming uses. One of the sites is currently still zone residential, and the other is commercial. So we're looking at a site-specific zone that will meet not just these

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current needs but the future given the flexibility of the bill proposed for long-term needs as well.

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So we've got quite a diverse use of primary permitted uses and a 3.5 floor space ratio

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and setbacks that so far I haven't heard any quizzes from staff, I would say on that.

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So it's quickly to run through the council motions and the recommendations in the staff report.

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We just want to apply to a couple clarifications. We're still getting requested to increase

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site industrial gross floor area to better line with policy. It really wasn't until the

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staff report came out that we heard the over 50% of the first two floors which we have

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of course provided and then they've additionally requested commercial and different iterations

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of the project. And so we now, as I mentioned, have over 96% of industrial floor area on

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the first two floors and we have not changed the self storage units in the middle given

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it's been under process for eight years, as well as the fact that that self-storage policy

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just came through in December. And so we are really hoping that the current design

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council understand the rationalization behind it and move forward with our industrial

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gross floor area use as it stands. The staff report is also recommending some design changes,

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so increasing the floor to height or floor floor heights, which provide even more flexibility in

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use in the future, that of course comes with additional cost as well as ultimately additional

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height in the building, as you can imagine. Our current floor plans do provide a range of industrial

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uses. This will be a concrete building. This will not be a light wood frame building.

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It will be able to be flexible for other uses in the future. In our opinion, we provide a lot of

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flexibility for current and future uses. Further, there are also some requests about surface parking,

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which we've, the current plan proposed is reflective of previous staff comments and direction,

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the surface parking plan as well as the screening and frontages. We've also been asked

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to provide more higher quality bicycle parking stalls. A parking study and transportation

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demand study has previously been done. And it showed that 14 stalls are actually overly

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sufficient based on the current proposed uses in the building.

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There's a variety of outstanding

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technical pieces, which we are happy to provide, some of which has already been provided.

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And then the final piece in the staff report was requesting that we do update that parking

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report.

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And at this point, our opinion is it will just delay the application further, having

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consider we've redesigned the park aid and the service parking multiple times throughout

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the project.

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And so in brief summary, we really do feel strongly that this is a very centrally located

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opportunity and is reflective of both changing needs as the owner has seen over the duration

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of his business as well as future forward needs, it both preserves and actually increases

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and enhances the existing industrial use as well as providing a long-standing local business owner

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with expansion opportunities. It will create new job skills employment and leasing opportunities

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for tenants or potential partners, and it truly does improve the site function for anyone that's been

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in this area, including access use and street frontage safety and security for the overall neighborhood.

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As you heard tonight we've had strong support and some letters were sent in as well from

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the neighborhood and neighborhood owners and businesses and we really do feel like

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it is a project that sandwiched and support based on the current policy and where it stands.

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So we really appreciate everybody's time.

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Is that the end of your presentation?

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That is.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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As public input is still open just wanting to check one final time if there's anybody who

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wishes to address counsel on this application.

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If you're within teams, please use the raise your hand feature.

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There's nobody who's come forward to raise their hand.

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So the item on tonight's Committee of the Whole Agenda is 3308 and

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331-2 Tennyson Avenue, Development Permit and Resoning Application.

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This is a report from the Director of Planning.

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The purpose is to present to Committee of the Whole the Resoning and

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Development Permit Application to allow the construction of a nine-story mixed-use building

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with primarily industrial use at grade and with industrial office and

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self-storage on other stories. Also to direct staff to continue working with the

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applicant to increase the amount of industrial growth floor area and resolve

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all the outstanding design.

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And technical issues related to compliance with the development permit area guidelines and zoning bylaw.

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Councilor Plant. Thank you, Chair. I'm not going to make a motion. I'm going to ask some questions just so that I don't run out of time. I'd like to ask some questions through you to staff. I'd like to just first all ask, is it accurate that the applicant has been working with Sanish for eight years on and off?

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Through the Mayor to Councillor Plant, the applicant submitted an

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application in December 2022, prior to that, there had been some pre-app conversations

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or I guess before the pre-application process was in place, but they had some preliminary

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conversations with staff. I'm not sure a full timeline of that, but the application has

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been in progress since December 2022.

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Okay, thank you for that clarification. The applicant made a comment that they are hearing

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that there is a request for more industrial and I'm just wondering if staff have had that

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That same sort of inquiry, I, as a member of council, have never said, had someone say to me, we need more industrial land.

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Not that anybody's been in a hurry to say we need less of it, but I'm just wondering if staff hear that at the desk.

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Through the mayor to Councillor Plant.

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So speaking with our economic development strategy advisor, Mitchell Edgar, he just say there is definitely different businesses that are looking for various specific industrial uses and

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having a hard time finding the right space.

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I think they're, they like the tensed area because of its central location.

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They don't necessarily want to be on the other edges of the region.

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So he's definitely seeing the demand, but the demand doesn't match what's available within Sanwich.

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Okay, two other themes for questions.

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Thank you for the answers thus far.

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I did send a question earlier to staff about the economic impact of the decision regarding taxation.

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If it is zoned for light industry, it will, and my understanding from the response from staff, it would generate less revenue because the multiplier for light industry is significantly less than commercial.

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So if sandwich was looking through a lens of trying to what would provide the higher degree of taxation.

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Is it accurate that commercial is actually going to provide more tax dollars to the municipality?

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Through the Mayor to Councillor Plants, so this one is, I won't lie, but out of my purview.

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But I will kind of go with what we heard from our manager of finance earlier today.

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So my understanding is the rate of industrial specific to taxation from the municipality

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would be higher with the commercial uses.

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That said, I think there's the industrial use in itself, provides a bunch of other spin-off benefits to the economy and employment.

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So it has different benefits other than just strictly that comparison against the taxation.

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Thank you for that, just if council was to go with an alternate direction of saying to work with the applicant.

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Is it accurate that a development permit would come back to this council for approval?

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Through the Mayor's Councillor Plant, yes, there still would be—we'd be coming forward

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with rezoning, potentially, no CP amendment as well as the development permit.

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Okay.

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And then we'll come together as one decision.

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Apologies for cutting you off, that was well said.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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I have no further questions.

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Thank you, Councillor Chambers, please.

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Thank you very much to the Chair.

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I guess I do have a few questions.

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I am a long-standing person of supporting industrial land and actually think it's so valuable

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that we should have an industrial land reserve to protect it and because if we don't protect

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00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:15,090
it, vehicles and whatnot are vacating or situating themselves on farmland.

428
00:39:15,090 --> 00:39:23,330
So I'm wondering what type of industrial uses would no longer be possible on the site

429
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:24,570
with the rezoning?

430
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:27,710
You need to ask staff now, okay.

431
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:31,070
Thank you, sorry.

432
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:33,820
Staff.

433
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:41,390
I guess, I'm calling you the mayor, but you are the chair, so apologies, I'm not a practice.

434
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,470
Through the chair to Councillor Chambers.

435
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:50,290
So I guess the zone is not yet written, the applicant has proposed a zone that would have a diversity of uses.

436
00:39:51,010 --> 00:39:55,130
So technically all of those uses would be, would be still permitted.

437
00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:59,930
It would be a range of, we wouldn't sure there would be a range of uses, however there would be the self storage.

438
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,860
The use would be permitted in that. So that is a use that staff has identified as being more of a commercial use. And I think whether the use would change over time or not. So, currently what's being proposed is like five and a half stories of the commercial self-storage use. And so what would happen with that over time? We do not know, but it's it's not common for these uses to flip once they're established. Thank you. I have a thank you. I have a few more things.

439
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:38,020
things, so sometimes to protect through the chair, sometimes to protect things in the

440
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:43,840
agricultural land reserves or we use covenants. So is there any way to covenant the future

441
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,740
of this land to consider that it would continue to be industrial over time and not turn into

442
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:51,300
something else over time?

443
00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:05,690
Yeah, through the Chair to Councilor Chambers, I think the covenants are always a tool we could

444
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:05,850
use.

445
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:09,250
I don't think we've explored it for this site at this time.

446
00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:19,950
I think the way it's going for it, I think there is, like there would be some of the self-storage

447
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:24,310
commercial uses as part of the initial development permit, so then we could look at through this

448
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:27,590
zoning as well. This might be what Eric was going to get at too, as we could be saying,

449
00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:33,190
restricting the industrial uses to those two ground floors. Like the first and second floor

450
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:34,470
here, Eric, the other way.

451
00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:39,750
Yeah, I'll just supplement that through the Chair to Councilor Chambers. Zoning has the power

452
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:45,170
to control the location of uses as well, so we can kind of work with the applicant to establish

453
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:52,130
a zone that would have a certain amount of industrial uses and possibly in certain parts of the

454
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:57,490
a building say so there's some flexibility we can be creative in that regard through zoning.

455
00:41:59,030 --> 00:42:05,830
Okay um thank you hearing that thank you uh through the chair uh has anyone spoke with the

456
00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:09,610
applicant about potentially uh doing something like this?

457
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:16,530
Through the chair to council chambers uh we do

458
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:22,990
have some advice in the letter here where we have recommended a mix of uses including uh say 50%

459
00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:26,570
and industrial, which is the number we can talk about.

460
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:29,330
This has been included in the letter here,

461
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:33,190
but we haven't gone into details.

462
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:34,310
Yeah, that's good.

463
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:37,450
Okay, thank you very much for answering my questions.

464
00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:41,390
I would, I, there's, I'll save my comments for a minute.

465
00:42:41,970 --> 00:42:43,450
Connor, I'm excited about them.

466
00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:43,910
Thank you.

467
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:46,610
Councillor Harper, please.

468
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:48,350
Thank you, Madam Chair.

469
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:50,430
Yes, through the chair.

470
00:42:50,430 --> 00:43:07,210
So just to be very clear, the zone that's being proposed is broadening, but not limiting the uses so it can still include light industrial, industrial, but what's being added is a new, so it's not, it's not saying only one thing or the other can be any of them.

471
00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:08,730
Is that correct?

472
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:11,490
Through the Chair to you, Councillor Harper, that is correct.

473
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:13,210
You would include a range of uses.

474
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:18,510
And I have to take that as a good note, so I actually know the answer to this question.

475
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:22,990
But in generally speaking, when we have a zone and it provides a multitude of uses,

476
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:30,070
we do not generally, in my recollection, direct owners, the percentages that they should

477
00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:31,590
have in different parts of their buildings.

478
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:32,330
Do we?

479
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:34,610
Or have we?

480
00:43:34,850 --> 00:43:35,730
I don't recall.

481
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:51,710
Yes, so through the chair, we do have zones that specify certain uses on certain floors already and council has seen some zones that have come forth with a percentage floor space of institutional uses.

482
00:43:52,610 --> 00:43:57,730
Is that the actual zone or is that a specific proposal because through

483
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:03,660
the chair, it would have been.

484
00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:11,340
In there are some broad zones that have the specific floor regulations.

485
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:18,120
It would have been a specific project that I can think of personally, but just as an example.

486
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:24,740
That would have given Council the chance to consider a zone with a percentage floor space.

487
00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:26,500
Thank you for that.

488
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:36,260
So then another question is, if this proposal is approved as is, if I can put it that way,

489
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:45,180
and if as part of the process, once it's approved, obviously development process could continue

490
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:51,200
on and discussions go on in the community, including in the economic community in terms of businesses,

491
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:55,080
because I do have had major discussions with economic development, as you might imagine,

492
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,900
as Chair of the Economic Development Advisory Committee.

493
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,820
If it's

494
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
Opportunities came forward through that process to perhaps have more light industrial or industrial, for example, which could either result in some of the floor spaces. I don't think they actually even need to change because they're so generic in the middle section, but nonetheless. If those changes occurred and they might even involve theoretically a need for more floors, for example, would staff see those changes?

495
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,160
changes as needing to come back to council, or would they be dealt with through the delegation that you currently have?

496
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,540
I just need to understand how you would view if any opportunities came along, for example,

497
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:45,960
during the process that might have changed how some of the floors are used.

498
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,620
If that would need to come back to us, or if you would feel that staff had the ability to adjudicate that.

499
00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:04,100
Through the chair to Councillor Harper, I think, like if there was additional stories,

500
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:08,200
that's something that would be coming back here for development permit amendment.

501
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:09,720
I think this is the skill of the decision.

502
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,220
Within the use, I believe we would have some flexibility with working within the use.

503
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,980
I think there are where we ran into problems with parking garances, so that's something we've

504
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:24,320
been trying to work with the applicants to better understanding what the use is and how

505
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,280
the parking relates and just the nature of the current zoning bylaw and the current parking

506
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,240
parking standards which are under review, it's quite specific. So that would be something

507
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:37,380
we'd have to be if the uses are changing, we have to go through the process of understanding

508
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:42,960
how that impacts the parking ratios and the variance. And so if the parking is filled it may

509
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,500
be more paperwork exercise, but it at least needs to go through the process to understand what

510
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,700
that is. And to pay on the scale of that it would be a council decision or it would be a delegate

511
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:58,920
decision. I guess I should be a little more specific then. So on the floors that are currently specified as storage, if a

512
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:07,920
Proponent came forward and wanted to have more space for industrial and that would take away the use of storage and turn it into industrial.

513
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:14,260
Do you feel that you have the ability to adjudicate that as opposed to that coming back to us through

514
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,720
the chair?

515
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:26,160
With that scenario, the issue would partially be through parking.

516
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,420
I think there would likely be a development permit amendment that staff would not be able

517
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:34,240
to carry forward through delegate powers.

518
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:39,660
However, the self-storage use is unlikely to require much parking.

519
00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:43,860
So if another use came in, it is likely it would require more parking.

520
00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:52,460
And so, we would be looking at potentially a larger variance than staff have the authority to consider under delegated authority.

521
00:47:53,940 --> 00:48:00,760
I guess if I could supplement that through the Chair to Councillor Harper, I think staff would feel like they have the belief to support it.

522
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,580
So, if that might be what you're getting at, I don't think there would be concerns about the change in the project.

523
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:21,300
It's just whether, whether it meets the terms of our zoning by-law within the authority of our delegation, but I think if we did see more industrial coming in, then that would be something staff would support and we would find this better in the limo with policy.

524
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:28,120
But it would be okay. I think I understand your answer. I'm going to leave it to the thank you.

525
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,220
Thank you, madam Chair. A couple of questions I guess we'll pick up on the parking point.

526
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,500
Given the current use, what is the current parking requirement?

527
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,000
I know some of those staff report, but if you're helpful,

528
00:48:46,930 --> 00:48:48,670
through the Chair to Councillor Phelps,

529
00:48:48,810 --> 00:48:49,310
Bonderoff.

530
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:53,610
Well, the current use,

531
00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:58,820
like the existing use, was that the question through the Chair?

532
00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:00,560
Yeah, I guess I'll be glossed to the chair.

533
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,780
That's a two-part question that would be the current use as it is at the moment and then

534
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:08,360
the parking requirement for the proposed with the proposed model that's in front of us.

535
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:16,590
Through the chair, to counsel Phil Sponderoff, the current use, I'm not sure, but I could get

536
00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:17,210
that information.

537
00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:19,530
The proposed use is not clear.

538
00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:27,730
The zoning has been proposed by the applicant staff have not worked through that zoning

539
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:28,310
yet, however.

540
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:36,990
But there is a range of uses, so if there were a research establishment or laboratory that could require more parking.

541
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:51,830
And so we aren't sure, based on what's going in those floors, what the parking requirement could be and how we would, I suppose, evaluate that because I haven't seen kind of research be mentioned in, say, the parking report.

542
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:53,770
No, I appreciate it. Thank you.

543
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:55,950
And I apologize for not asking the first part of the question a little earlier.

544
00:49:56,590 --> 00:49:59,790
We usually do with residential parking and the industrial parking is due to my.

545
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:17,600
New to me in that context. The staff report mentions EVSE electric parking. And I was wondering if staff, just through your Madam Chair, could just elaborate a little bit on that tension, that tension, but the difference of views on specifically electrification for parking that's currently proposed and what the expectations be from staff or our policies rather.

546
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:33,040
Through the chair to Councillor Felpsblender off. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't characterize it as tension, of course. I think it is more of a detail that we're happy to work out.

547
00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:43,020
The EVSE, of course, is essentially the charger, it's not really a charger, but I think that

548
00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:45,460
would be a design consideration that we could work through.

549
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:51,720
Of course, we are very, big proponents of having infrastructure like that and supporting

550
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:55,060
that kind of thing, so that is something we will work through.

551
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,900
Thank you for that clarification through Madam Chair.

552
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:07,100
would that be considered an outstanding technical item, or is that, would that be something that would need to be specifically listed in a motion for that to be worked out with staff in the applicant?

553
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:22,710
Through the Chair to Councillor Bonnaraugh, I think staff will be working through that component as a technical item as we confirm the zoning and the variances as we work through the parking.

554
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:27,570
However, if this is an important issue for you, I would recommend including the motion.

555
00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:41,390
I appreciate that and then I guess this is a question to the Chair again and this is again an open one which I don't think our staff I didn't let our staff know in advance I apologize if this they aren't prepared for this but how are the other two self storage areas that are in close proximity zone.

556
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:50,470
I found a pen from one of them in my pen collection two days ago it reminded me that it just around the corner but do we know those are zoned and I don't want to put you on the spot.

557
00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:58,510
Through the Chair to Council Felt Sponderoff, that is a great question. They are zoned something

558
00:51:58,510 --> 00:52:05,610
industrial, but they are in fact non-conforming uses. They are the results of past decisions,

559
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:13,330
reflecting the way we did or didn't consider industrial lands. In December 2025, Council did

560
00:52:13,330 --> 00:52:19,810
approved changes to the zoning by-law to clarify the self-sourgees, and that would have

561
00:52:19,810 --> 00:52:28,790
stated that the OCP and the economic development strategy does not really support self-sourge

562
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:36,610
uses in industrial lands or primary growth areas. So the proposed changes were to define

563
00:52:36,610 --> 00:52:44,410
self-storage and put it sort of into a commercial zone. The other self-storage areas were rendered

564
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:52,510
non-conforming because they don't contribute in a way that other commercial uses or industrial

565
00:52:52,510 --> 00:53:00,430
uses might, sorry, they don't generate employment as much, contribute to area vibrancy and that was

566
00:53:00,430 --> 00:53:05,350
in the report in December 2025. Thank you. Thank you. As a perfect answer, I appreciate that.

567
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:09,950
Madam Chair, I'm happy to move a motion once the questions are exhausted, but also I see other questions so I'll wait.

568
00:53:10,290 --> 00:53:13,730
I have another speaker, you can, Councillor Brice, please.

569
00:53:15,090 --> 00:53:15,650
Thank you, Chair.

570
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:35,170
Staff, in through this discussion, it seems the touchiness is on the issue of the storage floors and so I am wondering if this individual who's owned this property for 30 years and has operated light and

571
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:42,170
industrial on that property had come forward with an application for a couple of stores of

572
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:52,950
high-ceiling industrial use topped with a layer of, say, commercial office space, such

573
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:57,590
as is envisioned now. Would they have been accepted?

574
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:12,360
Through Councillor Branoff to Councillor Brice, I guess I'm a little anxious to speculate

575
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:20,120
on a hypothetical project, I think for this one, but the UDP, they are looking for taller

576
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,160
buildings in that area, so that's the one area where I'm a little hesitant.

577
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,700
For us, I think with this project of component, but it's the proportion of the use, so we're

578
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:37,240
looking at, I think, around 23% of the floor space is for industrial use in the whole project.

579
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:42,300
And so when it's really focused on having that primary use, we're struggling to say it

580
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:45,140
meets the primary use definition, which is why we're here to have the conversation.

581
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:51,300
But yeah, I think for that, I would need to take a way and look at the range of policies,

582
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,860
but I think industrial projects and industrial lands, it's more supportable, I think.

583
00:54:57,860 --> 00:54:59,660
but I still know the height.

584
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:17,780
So the bottom line would just be that from a actual use point of view, there wouldn't be a problem, but that it probably would not meet the desired height in a planning scenario.

585
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:31,700
Yeah, it's through Council. I have to cancel the price again. I would need to check the policies because it's a very different project, but I can do that now. I have it here, but it's.

586
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:38,060
There's two, a few components, so it's the form and the form, building form and the function and the use, right?

587
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,760
So it would meet the use, for sure.

588
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,560
It's just whether it's fully meet the form and I would have to double check.

589
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,040
Thank you.

590
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:53,540
Okay, Council, can I ask if you're ready to put a motion on the floor?

591
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:54,940
Councilor Harper?

592
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:58,140
So I'm

593
00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:15,160
going to move a version of the alternative motion, which is that it be recommended that Council provide staff direction to prepare the Council report and by law for decision based on the concept as proposed.

594
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,620
Do you want to speak to it?

595
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,280
Is there a second or not?

596
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:24,820
It's been seconded, thanks.

597
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:35,690
So thank you to everyone who both contacted us by email and who we're here tonight.

598
00:56:36,550 --> 00:56:43,550
I am prepared to support the concept as proposed for a variety of reasons, one of which

599
00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:46,110
is it has taken a very long period of time.

600
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:52,430
This is not casting fault at anyone between from the time it became sort of a glimmer in someone's

601
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:52,750
eye.

602
00:56:52,750 --> 00:56:56,470
to the time it came to San, and that's about five years as well.

603
00:56:56,970 --> 00:57:02,770
But during the course of that time period, the playing field has changed significantly.

604
00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:09,230
And so it illustrates, you know, we sometimes talk about when we look at proposals, whether

605
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:15,370
we grandparent things in terms of what were the rules back in the day versus now, for example.

606
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:22,390
So I think that because of that, we have to take that into account, and quite frankly,

607
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:26,170
I think if we send it back for further discussion, it could be another several years and this

608
00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:32,390
is not going to be helpful to anyone and certainly not going to be helpful to the other to

609
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:35,190
Tennyson itself and to the development of Tennyson.

610
00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:43,030
I think that we heard from a few of the people who are already there and working and basically

611
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:45,350
this is an opportunity for a new start.

612
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:51,330
It is an opportunity to sort of set a bit of a standard about what industrial can look like

613
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:56,750
I can quite frankly, this is a really attractive looking building for industrial.

614
00:57:57,010 --> 00:58:02,910
And I think one of the things that I also feel and need to say is that because this is

615
00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:06,570
a building, it's not harming industrial in any way.

616
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:13,890
And in fact, and I thought long and hard about the storage portion as well, but in terms

617
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:17,430
of how it's designed and how it's working in the building.

618
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:25,810
These are ultimately large open spaces that when things change, should things change in the future, in terms of needs,

619
00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:32,670
whether it's for other types of life, industrial or not, these are areas that can be easily reconfigured.

620
00:58:33,130 --> 00:58:40,490
Whether, when that might happen, I don't know, but as was pointed out by the Community Association,

621
00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:45,930
the future doesn't necessarily look like the past and we should be planning for a more flexible future.

622
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:47,850
and I think that's very important.

623
00:58:48,250 --> 00:58:51,990
I would note that the advisory design panel gave a big thumbs up to this.

624
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:57,470
I've already said that and so I think and we're already talking about reviewing the plan

625
00:58:57,470 --> 00:59:03,010
on a go-forward basis and I certainly think that Tennis itself should be a part of that review.

626
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:11,710
But I think that I understand that there may or may not be because I've also been in conversations

627
00:59:11,710 --> 00:59:41,690
with businesses, other businesses that might be interested in this and that's why I was asking some of the questions that I asked, but I think that if it can be taken, that the building is designed in a way to be flexible for future needs so right now, if the need is in fact, and it appears to be for many reasons, not just for small sizes of apartments but quite frankly because older people as they downsize, they also need storage and there's a getting to be

628
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a bigger and bigger cohort of older people as well.

629
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So I think that this is not only an attractive building, but it's designed in a way that

630
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makes it very flexible.

631
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:56,690
So while it may be used for one thing today, that doesn't mean it has to be used for the

632
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same thing in the future.

633
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And so the two main

634
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Those floors are 96% for industrial, which I think is important. And as my colleague asks, above that is space that is sort of bonus space. So at this point, perhaps its primary use will end up being other than industrial. But I think we should move forward on this, because I think that the longer we wait, the longer Tennyson is going to have anything happen on it. So I am hopeful that my colleagues will support this. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Filip Sponderoff, please.

635
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:30,860
As the seconder.

636
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:31,640
Thank you, Madam Chair.

637
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:37,300
Just a quick question on clarification through to staff or the mover, just to the motion reread, because then it was slightly different than we had on the green sheet.

638
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,240
I just wanted to clarify that the language was there.

639
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:50,000
Yeah, it was just a slight change to the alternative in that it be recommended that council provide staff direction to prepare the council report and bylaw for a decision based on the concept as proposed.

640
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,040
And then just one quick question through the Chair to staff.

641
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:58,320
I noticed that we've had a couple of notes in the green sheet about just finalizing outstanding technical items.

642
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:06,440
Presumably, those final outstanding technical items would be resolved in order to prepare the don't approval process through

643
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:11,920
the chair to counsel Phil Sponderoff.

644
01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:15,920
Yeah, that's correct. A few of those will be required, so you will see them.

645
01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:21,820
Thank you very much. Now, I want to make sure we have that. I assume we would solve the technical problems before the development program went through, or it was in

646
01:01:21,820 --> 01:01:23,300
presented to Council, but I want to double check.

647
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:27,540
My colleague has already sort of spouted on this quite in a lot of details, so I'll be relatively brief.

648
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:37,060
The street frontage is nice, I know the neighborhood, I live around the corner from it, and we are talking about old sort of bungalows that have been adapted for industrial use, so it's quite a handsome building in that context.

649
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:43,840
It's good location, and one thing that has already been sort of mentioned, but this is a neighborhood that's getting lots of density in the near future.

650
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:50,680
And in my building, we have a storage unit, and I've also annexed my neighbor's storage unit, and they're both full of books as you can probably imagine.

651
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,640
But a lot of the projects we're approving don't often have external storage facilities.

652
01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:59,440
And so as we add density to the area, much needed density to the area for much needed

653
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,640
housing and much needed multi use, we create a need for much needed for storage.

654
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,140
So I think this is responding to a very quite important need in the community.

655
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,660
And as my colleagues already mentioned, what I think that the sticking point was was a reduction

656
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:15,220
in overall percentage of the property that's being used for light industrial.

657
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,760
But when you look at what we actually have and what we're actually getting, we still have

658
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:23,740
two floors of light industrial which seems larger in my view than the two bungalows that are currently

659
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:29,120
there so we're actually getting sort of equivalent or more light industrial plus and I think that's

660
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,120
kind of the added element here and then the plus part has an addendum which is maybe plus three if

661
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:39,120
you will insofar as it's not just storage space but it's also flexible space that you know could be

662
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,120
easily converted to other uses so I think that's quite useful so it's responding to those needs it's

663
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:48,060
flexible use we are still maintaining that light industrial use but we're getting more space as well

664
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:51,360
The design is quite good, we've had good support from the community and from the neighbors.

665
01:02:51,860 --> 01:02:55,240
I'm glad you folks have been amical neighbors for over 30 years, that's always a good sign.

666
01:02:56,260 --> 01:03:01,000
And the only real concern I had was some of the minor things around the EV parking and

667
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:06,680
the bike parking, and I think those are not adequate enough to send this all the way back to a longer planning process.

668
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,140
So I think it's supportable, and it'll be good to see a nice project in a beautiful and

669
01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:13,800
growing part of Sandwich, and so much needed, many of these for folks.

670
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,500
And again, maintaining that bike industrial use, so very supportable, thank you Madam Chair.

671
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:20,040
Thank you. Councillor Chambers, please.

672
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,800
Thank you very much Madam Chair.

673
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:33,680
I am excited because this is something that is not my

674
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:40,560
usual trait of thought and I am very much convinced that this is an exceptionally important

675
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:47,760
area for this use to continue and, you know, there is basically a 0% vacancy rate for

676
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:53,240
non-compliant industrial uses and it's come up at many, many meetings. We have people

677
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,760
that do not have a place to do their use and as I mentioned before, doing it in the agricultural

678
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:06,660
land reserve does not make me happy. So, you know, this is much needed. I love the concept

679
01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:12,880
of a love and work, a live and work, love and work too, but live and work is a very nice thing

680
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:22,880
and to maintain that industrial zoning, which is so incredibly important. And I am heartened by hope

681
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:32,760
that staff have delegated authority to change the parking. If in the fact the future there is larger

682
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:40,780
trucks needing to park and the parking can be reconfigured. Can I just please get a confirmation

683
01:04:40,780 --> 01:04:44,020
from staff that I did hear in fact here that correctly?

684
01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:51,860
Staff. Through the Chair to Council Chambers, it's a strong maybe. It just depends on the

685
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:59,820
scale. But yes, we have some power. Okay, that's good. That's good. We granted

686
01:04:59,820 --> 01:04:59,940
until

687
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:20,760
Okay, thank you. So, basically I want to thank the applicants who are making a very large investment and sandwich for the future of this area and providing, you know, a much needed form of building. So, I'm very happy to support this.

688
01:05:23,260 --> 01:05:32,760
I do really like the idea, I like the sort of base street area in the industrial living

689
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,020
and the different uses.

690
01:05:35,340 --> 01:05:42,680
So I think that this is a really important thing and I'd like to thank you for your creativity

691
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:50,740
here in getting into compliance and creating a future for others to also continue working

692
01:05:50,740 --> 01:05:55,340
Okay, I like that you have a lot of workers there, and I like that they will be continuing

693
01:05:55,340 --> 01:06:00,420
there. That's correct, right, that the workers and the current use will be continuing.

694
01:06:00,860 --> 01:06:01,900
Can staff just

695
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:09,800
through Councillor Browne off to Councillor Chambers? I guess we don't

696
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,660
know that for sure that's not secured through the sewing process. The applicant has communicated

697
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:18,600
that they intend to use the facilities, but that's not something we would be securing.

698
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:24,640
Okay. Thank you. I'm getting nods from the applicant. So I just want to thank them

699
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,700
for their investment and soundage and creating this use. Thank you.

700
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,840
Councillor Bryce, please.

701
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:40,860
Thank you, Chair. As has been stated, lots of positives on this potential new building

702
01:06:40,860 --> 01:06:47,640
and I too give it my support. I sit here and listen to maybe some of the reasons why there's

703
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:54,560
reluctance to fully green light it and think that, certainly, hypothetically, we could have had

704
01:06:54,560 --> 01:07:03,060
a design, a plan that had all a light industrial floors and ticked all the boxes, and it would never

705
01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:09,040
get built. Here we have somebody who owns the property, has worked the property for a long time,

706
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:22,840
has worked in a light industrial manner is prepared to continue to have that use on the property

707
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,700
along with other related business space in perpetuity.

708
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:37,280
And so to me, this is taking all the good advice that we can.

709
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:48,480
But then facing the reality of this is a proposal, one that is a local business person

710
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:57,460
prepared to continue to invest in the community, and this will be a good addition to Sandwich.

711
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,080
I am confident and I support this motion on the floor.

712
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:02,940
Thank you, Councillor DeVries, please.

713
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:03,120
Yes.

714
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:04,620
Thank you.

715
01:08:04,780 --> 01:08:07,280
I also support the motion on the floor.

716
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:13,480
In many ways agree with this staff analysis, I think if we were looking at this through

717
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,300
current policy alone, that would be the appropriate direction to go in.

718
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:20,760
But I do recognize two things.

719
01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:28,240
One is that this application has been in for some time in various iterations.

720
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:34,260
And so the context has changed through that duration, and I think it's important to acknowledge that.

721
01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:45,600
The other piece is that while this undoubtedly is a lower value use than the potential highest and best use for this site, it is a necessary use.

722
01:08:45,820 --> 01:08:56,040
And one that is very much in demand and so on the go forward, I fully support what our current policy says, which is to look at carefully citing these.

723
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:04,340
in the future to ensure that we're not undermining things like housing supply and industrial land, as well as urban vitality.

724
01:09:05,020 --> 01:09:12,580
That being said on balance, I think that this is an appropriate location as it was mentioned by Councillor Feltz-Bonderoff.

725
01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:22,780
This will be proximate to a lot of new housing, many of which may for either points of transition or long-term have a need for individual storage.

726
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,100
I think there's a clear market signal that there's not enough industrial land in the region.

727
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:32,600
We see that with the vacancy rate being pretty much just as low as Metro Vancouver.

728
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:38,260
That is not a reason to penalize one individual application.

729
01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:41,060
I think it's something we should be turning our attention to and

730
01:09:41,060 --> 01:09:47,880
focusing on as part of the next regional growth strategy to ensure that that strategy includes industrial land.

731
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:54,440
And so that's something that I've been taking on as chair of the CRD's planning and protective services committee.

732
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:59,180
And I think it's appropriate that we do it at that work looking a reason wide as opposed to.

733
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:27,820
Blocking investment in a certain area of sandwich because of a laudable policy ambition. So that is where I think we should take up that cause and for today. I will support the application. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Plum, for a second time. No, first time. It's the first time, but sorry. No, no, no need to apologize. One of the things we're going later in the speaking order is that your colleagues have often said the things that are on top of mine.

734
01:10:27,820 --> 01:10:35,600
The only piece that I'm going to add beyond saying thank you for the applicant for wanting to do business in Sandwich and reinvest in Sandwich.

735
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,980
I want to acknowledge the comment made during the public input about the importance of industrial land.

736
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:48,500
And if this was the loss of industrial land in perpetuity for housing, then I think that comment really would land.

737
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,580
And in general, I tend to agree with the speaker we don't want to lose industrial land.

738
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:57,660
But what I see in this case is actually we're going to ensure that it actually has

739
01:10:57,660 --> 01:11:04,180
industrial use into the future. Will it be as much as what some people and perhaps even our staff

740
01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:10,220
are recommending to us? Perhaps not, but I do think it's time to have some catalyzation in this

741
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:17,120
neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you. I don't see any other speakers, so I'll just add my comments.

742
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:23,560
I

743
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,560
I recognize that it is a great

744
01:11:27,580 --> 01:11:29,400
municipality to build your business in.

745
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:34,760
I do also recognize the need in the region

746
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,240
for industrial land.

747
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,500
But I think that this project has a little bit of everything

748
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:43,620
and it actually probably will kick start

749
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:47,320
the tennis scenario as your neighbor across the street.

750
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:49,100
I think he said he was across the street.

751
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:50,840
Supported it.

752
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:58,300
So I'm hopeful that because of your goodwill with your community in that area, we might see

753
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:06,400
some more opportunities for sandwich, industry use and employment as far as I'm concerned.

754
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,060
I think it's also a key employment area as well.

755
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,620
So thank you very much.

756
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,440
I do support the motion on the floor.

757
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,160
So council, I'll call the question.

758
01:12:15,620 --> 01:12:16,480
All those in favor?

759
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:18,780
Opposed, if any?

760
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:19,780
None are opposed.

761
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:26,420
Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, next. I know my thank you is a German. You are correct.

762
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,460
The next item is a German as the committee of the whole meeting. Council will take about

763
01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:35,980
a five-minute break while we do some resetting of the A.V. and then the special council meeting

764
01:12:35,980 --> 01:12:40,180
will be conveyed. It can be in so if council would consider a motion to adjourn.

765
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:48,080
Okay, councilor Fent, councilor Chambers, all those in favor? Opposed, if any? We're adjourned

766
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:48,740
for five minutes.

767
01:12:48,740 --> 01:12:49,280
Thank you.