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personnel policy, code of ethics policy,
remote participation policy and contract

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negotiation policy. This is a workshop
by the board of select men. No public

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input will be taken. Um, these policies
will be reviewed at a board of select

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men's meeting once finalized.
Stand and pledge allegiance.

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[clears throat]
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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Nancy, because you've been waiting so
long, you get to choose which one we're

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doing first.
>> Did [laughter] you know that I was gonna

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say, "Can I pick which one of those
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» So,
>> was that a line reader?

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» Um, I was going to suggest we do the
contract negotiation process of policy

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because it's really short.
>> Okay. [snorts]

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But I think
>> you don't like that one. It's

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confliction with the new charter because
there's something in there for

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» contract
>> contract negotiations.

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» Have you read this?
>> I have.

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» Do you know what part?
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» And we've got two years before the next
contracts are up.

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» I know. But I know two years.
>> It doesn't really matter anyways. It

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wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter
anyways because anything that the

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charter charter overrides everything.
So, [snorts]

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» okay.
>> Just so you're aware, right? Charter

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overrides.
>> Yeah.

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» Um,
>> do you remember what it said in the

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charter?
>> What are they trying to accomplish?

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» I don't think it's any different than
what's here. But do we really want

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» steal my policy? [laughter]
>> Make yourself look smart.

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I've heard sal
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and maybe some of the wording should be
changed because fight for doesn't

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necessarily sound appropriate. But

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» so I I think what you're trying to
accomplish is to give the people that

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are negotiating the contract a little
bit of direction.

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» Yeah. So, there's multiple things I want
to do here. One is I feel like we're not

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whoever is going in to negotiate doesn't
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board prior to going in to negotiate.
So, I think that we should set that

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stage and make sure everybody's clear
about what they're looking for.

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» But, I also think that board members
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equipped or well-versed on how to
negotiate. And it would be advantageous

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for us as a town if we hired a
negotiator who actually knows how to

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negotiate,

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» which is a lawyer.
>> I would not necessarily agree it's a

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lawyer because the lawyer has been
looking at these contracts and has never

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fought for us from what I can tell.
>> Right. You're talking about somebody

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that's representation to go into
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» Yes.

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I mean that you can't you can it's just
an added expense that's all

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» I agree but I think in the long run I
think there's certain situations where

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we would have saved money

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or put ourselves in a better position.

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Where do you find contract negotiators
do you know that aren't part of unions?

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So, I looked on the MMA website and it
looked like they might have some some or

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ways that we
it likely might be a lawyer. I mean,

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» logically it does fit, but I don't think
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lawyer,
>> right?

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» A lawyer that's first and contract
negotiations. Yeah. [clears throat]

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» I don't know. I've never been into it.
We've always, but again, attorney, our

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attorney should be able to, I believe,
should be able to do that for us.

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» I would agree they should. So, does that
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worms?
>> Yes. But maybe they did have somebody

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who didn't have the right person. Or I
think what the attorney does, this is my

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vision from what I've seen from the last
two contracts because I got slammed with

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both of them as soon as I got here,
>> is the attorney goes over it as far as

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what changes we're making. Are they
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» as far as negotiating,
>> right? Because they they don't come to

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the negotiation meetings and say, "Well,
we'll do this if you do that or so." I

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think that's what you're looking for. I
don't think you want somebody just so

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much to cross the tees and dot the eyes.
You're looking for somebody to come in

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and say, "Go over the whole contract and
and try to get

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» what the priorities are." Yes. And
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negotiate for those so that we come out
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» Yeah.
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» I've just seen other instances where
I've sat on the negotiation team and we

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just basically
Okay. Yep. Sure. And that's not what we

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should be doing.
>> So that was why I was advocating for

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that. And if you if Rick, if you think
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comes out, I'm happy to set this aside
for a few months because I think we've

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got more than we can handle in this
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» Oh, yeah. The rest of
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» I just think that we need to have
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» formalized before we go into our next
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» Sure.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I say wait for the for the

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charter, see what that reads. And like
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either union comes up because we just
did them both. So after the charter, we

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can sit down with that.
>> Yeah, cuz this is basically for union

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negotiating, not other contracts that we
like sand and salt.

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» Correct.
>> No, I'm thinking this is union contract

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negotiation.
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It definitely spelled out charter thing
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would have brought it.
>> Has that I can't bring everything.

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» Has that passed through the attorney?
>> It's gone back to the attorney again

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because we had to change a few things.
>> TJ's waiting for that to come back

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because he's hoping that he gets it
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» Gets it back in time.
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it it's back. It's going to be a hand
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» Yeah.
>> So, Nancy, you taking notes?

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» I was going to Yes. So what I what I
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this contract negotiation process is one
uh get better direction from the board

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of select men.
Two um how to negotiate the contract.

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find somebody

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» negotiator.

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» Yeah, I was trying to establish that as
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going forward.
Um, and I was going to I haven't checked

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contracts yet, but I was going to look
at the contracts to see what the

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language is for
renegotiation.

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There is 180 days there. There are
specifics in the contract

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if you try to reopen it. That's what you
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next year for the next year. There's I
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I can find it, George. On Thursday.
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» I wrote it down.

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120 days. It shall automatically be
renewed from year to year thereafter

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unless either party shall notify the
other in writing at least 120 days prior

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to the annivers date and that it desires
to modify this agreement. In the event

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that such notice is given, negotiation
shall begin no later than 60 days prior

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to the anniversary and
until notice of termination of this

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agreement is provided to the other party
in the manner set forth this way. So,

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and I was pleased. I'm assuming fire is
I mean sorry public works is the same.

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What's your second choice?
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so I I think the second choice would be
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» before we move on. Um
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gone.
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» Do you have anything in the charter on
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So again, it says the policy was
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We didn't didn't we we reviewed it
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» Yep. Okay.
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» agree on exactly what we wanted to to do
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So I guess is it
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even though we talked about it but it
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» So I think the hangup with this one is
if you do if I I believe if you allow

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video participation at one meeting then
you have to allow it at all of them. And

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it's not just the one participant that's
asking to it's not just Rick. If he

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can't make it, then you have to open it
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that. And I think they're just can of
worms. If you can't be here, you can't

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be here.
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» I just I think that's just a mess.
>> There's too many different meetings.

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So then do we want to say that
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audience member.
That's really all it is. It will

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continue to do the YouTube, right?
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» But we were not going to allow
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participate remotely.
>> Yep.

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» Or anybody else.
>> That's right. No remote participation.

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They can watch it just like everybody
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» that's why we did this. [clears throat]
>> If you if you can't be here, you can't

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be here. I mean,
>> even if you're sick, why would you want

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to do it?
>> Well, that's right. I mean, there's

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other board members sitting here that
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» Well, they can make the decisions for
what's going on.

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» I just think I think that's opening a
can of worms because you got to do it

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every time. But being devil's advocate
of that, you know, well, is the fact

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that I'm away on vacation, so
>> have a good time. Enjoy your vacation.

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» You guys decided to load the on that
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» I'm like, [laughter] we do
[clears throat] now.

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» No, you would not.
>> But somebody could. [laughter]

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» Or
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want to
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when the selectman's meeting are and you
go on vacation in between them. Mhm.

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[laughter]
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allow for
um I want to say it was emergency

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» illness. No.
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emergency participation
if like a COVID situation or something

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of that nature, right?
get you put down. If there's a pandemic,

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we can go back to remote.
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» I just don't think I just think that's a
mess.

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» You know, when the
>> you go on vacation, George, you call me

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and I'll table it. [laughter]

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» I'm not saying us, but whatever we put
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>> until they get to their

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» I was very uncomfortable in an executive
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didn't feel good about that at all.
That's an executive session. You need to

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be here for
>> no remote.

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» Yeah. But we're saying no remote for
anything. We're not saying

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» that's why that's what turned me right
off to it was that [clears throat]

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» I don't think too many allow that.
>> No.

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» I think if you're here, you're here. If
you're not, you're not. Emergencies come

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up. the board carries on and we just try
to sneak that stuff in past George when

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he's not around. That's all. [laughter]
>> Yeah. And I think that, you know, if

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there's controversial stuff that's
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» it can be
>> on the agenda. I think that it should be

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t it should be tabled.
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» So that I think that we talked about
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Let's table this so that
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there's a thing called a quorum for a
reason though.

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» Yes.
And I think we have to be careful about

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saying, well, not everybody's here, so
we're not going to vote on it. I think

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that if there's a quorum
that as a board, we should be moving

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forward and doing our work
unless somebody has specifically said,

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"Okay, I'm not going to be able to be
there. Can we not talk about that

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because I really want to participate?"
You know, I think there's exception

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cases, but I think just not doing
something because it's a controversial

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issue and somebody isn't here.
>> And I agree with that. I mean, George,

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because the agenda goes out ahead of
time and George, whatever happens, you

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can't be here. And you call up Nancy and
say, "Hey, I really want to talk. I want

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to be part of this conversation. Could
you table that?" I think that that's

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» that's fair. That's fair.
>> And I agree that that's my point. I

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would I would agree with that. That
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» Mhm.
>> Yeah. [snorts]

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Because but I mean there's some things
that don't need to be tabled like the

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exemptions, the abatements.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» And I agree, but if it was something
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» a big big one,
>> i.e. hiring a town manager know that the

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three of us are going to sit here and
vote for that when the two others don't

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have an opportunity to
>> where the hell am I going? you know

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[laughter]
that's I mean that just I mean that's

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but again I think that's a big a big one
you know that people should

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» yeah no there are big issues
>> there should be a whole town I would

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look at it that way anyway
>> so we need to we need to revamp this

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policy then if we're saying that we're
not going to allow remote participation

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because the way it's word worded right
now is um section two talks about the

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adoption of remote participation
>> [clears throat]

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» So that needs to be changed. U
permissible section three is permissible

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reasons for remote participation.
So we basically remove that because

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we're saying there's no permissible
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then so do we need to revamp it or do we
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it and just resend the whole thing?
>> Yeah.

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And I guess the only question is are we
violating

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any of the state statutes by not
allowing ro participation?

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» I don't think so. I can ask that
question but I don't believe so. I think

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you're violating more by the way we were
doing it than

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Based on what [snorts] TJ had shared

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with me.
>> We are in violation right now with this

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policy.
>> Yeah.

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Because if we're going to do remote
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standpoint, we have to allow
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» Yeah.
>> to participate remotely, too. And we

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don't do that.
>> Right.

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» We probably would if somebody asked.
>> No.

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» No, I don't think so.
>> No,

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» because you have to do it through your
YouTube session.

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» You'd have to have two different setups.
You'd have to have somebody on here

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watching it, manning it, saying, "Oh, we
have a question from Jane Doe."

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» And allowing Jane Doe to speak and then
>> Yeah.

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» And I think that's where it started to
get really

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» the clerk.
>> Oh, go ahead and tell him that to his

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face. [laughter]

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» He's probably watching.
>> No, he's he's

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» watching TJ move the camera. [laughter]

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» Oh, yeah. Zoom in. [laughter]

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» Okay. I'm document here.
>> Yep.

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» Go.
>> I'm going to document that we are

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recommending at the next board meeting
that we resend the remote policy.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» Is that
>> Yep.

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» I think that's just cleaner. Then you
don't have to worry about whether you're

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covered or not.
>> Or,

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» oh, here we go. [laughter]
>> Should it say

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the remote participation policy and then
say no remote allowed? That's our remote

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participation policy.
>> Oh, there we go.

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» We have a We have a policy. This is the
policy. No remote. No remote.

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» I like that even better.
>> Well, I just Yeah.

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» If anybody asks Yeah, we have a policy.
None.

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» None. Yep.
>> Spelled right out. versus not have not

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having a policy.
>> Yep.

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Good idea, George. Then no gray area.
>> Nobody likes great.

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» Okay,
I guess.

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» Can we move on?
>> Enough to type.

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» All right, so that one was done. We're
delaying on the other one.

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» Yeah. Um,
do you want to do code of ethics because

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it's shorter than the personnel policy?
>> Sure.

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» Yeah.
[clears throat]

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» I didn't do my homework on that one yet.
So, let me

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Is this This isn't newm. No, this one's
in place right now. Okay. You

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» look at the second page. It's dated sign
724.

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» You might not have
>> I don't have the signature.

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» Yeah, it's right here.
>> That's okay.

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» Okay. 7 of 24.

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» [snorts]

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[clears throat]
>> So, as I'm reading this policy, it's

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talking about town officials. It's
talking about town employees and then it

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talks about board of selectmen planning
board and other the town's appointed

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boards.
>> Isn't town official

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and an elected board member no matter
what it is? Isn't that shouldn't that be

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one and the same?
>> I'm wondering if that's not how the I

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get tied into that. They're calling me
the town official. But you're right.

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town officials will usually select them
>> because I'm just wondering if we if

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we're adding that in there, does it
distinguish a difference between the

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three

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because
it talks about public about the statues

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that it addresses and it talks about
public officials, trustees or employees.

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I just want to make sure that we're
really clear that it applies to all

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board members.

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Selectman planning board members members
of appointed boards. Appointed boards

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says they're calling budget committee

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[clears throat]
commission. Yeah.

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» Damn committee.
>> No.

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» No. That's a whole different thing.

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Well, I'm not saying it couldn't apply
cuz what we have three Savannah, right?

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Me,
>> right,

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» Steve. I don't know. Steve would some uh
mel

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» Martins Point.
>> Yeah. Martins Point Commission.

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» Yeah. [snorts]

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So, the board may impose sanctions on
appointed board and committee members

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whose conduct does not comply with the
town's policies up to and including

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removal from office following [snorts]
appropriate due process procedures.

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» And what are those?
>> I don't know what the due process.

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[laughter]
>> There he goes again. that devil in a red

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shirt down there.
>> Well, there's it should be spelled out.

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» That's right. It should be laid out.
>> So again, it refered officials

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» to the town.
>> Well, that one specifically says

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appointed officials.
>> The next one is elected officials. Y

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» says elected town officials who
repeatedly or intentionally do not

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follow the code of ethics
>> or other applicable rules or policies

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may be reprimanded or formally censured
by the board of selectmen or other

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elected board to which they belong.

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Is that going to conflict with anything
in the charter?

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» I don't think there's still anything in
the charter that you'd be able to move

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anybody.
>> So I guess

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» well in this case you can't rem
It says censured, but it says nothing

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about being removed,
>> right? Because I think that's a

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struggle. But if if it is if something
is happening that is costing this town

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money,
>> where do what section do we say, right?

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No matter what your role is, if you're a
financial liability to the town,

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» here's what happens. And I don't know
where that would fit in here.

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» [snorts]
>> So

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let's start with number one in
enforcement. It says

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» that's but the way it's worded I think
enforcement for one is for staff for

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» okay that's staff
>> employee

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» but it says dealings with public
>> so you

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» the public board selectment and boards
and committees boards and that's what

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staff interacting with chairs or
appointed boards and committees have

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» the enforcement would have to be under
three

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» but it's more about [clears throat]

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is it compliance? Is it part C where you
would say

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because I think we need to call out

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anyone in those categories
>> that is causing a financial liability

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for the town.

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I think it would go under C, but you've
got to reward some of that.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
[clears throat]

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every

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» because I think right off the bat you've
got to say town officials, employees,

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but you also have to include the board
of selectmen or or of all boards.

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» Still town officials were town
officials. I know but if you read on it

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says established by the board of
selectmen so I think it should be laid

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out that the board of selectman is
included in that because if you don't

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that I think that would be an arguing

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» [snorts]

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» Look Is this something that you can look
at and see what other towns have?

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» Yeah, I can try.
>> And again,

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» I don't think a lot of town
I can I can see I can see what they

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have.

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» And I think too that
the censure thing language under the

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elected officials.

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What
what can be c what is the censure

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» right
>> I mean my understanding is that you

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can't stop them from voting
>> correct

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» so
>> censure is just basically a public slap

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on the a public declaration of
disapproval by the other board members

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» correct
>> correct

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» yes I mean that's how I see it

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» but with no other
ability

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to do anything else. I'm assuming that
if the voters put me back in, then

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» I'm stuck with you,
>> right? [laughter] No matter how much you

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censure me,
I'm still here and I'm still voting

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and you're not essentially there's no
penalty.

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» Well, you're not speaking though,
>> but you are. You can't limit You can't

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limit that to my knowledge.
>> Um I think you can because well if you

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look at what happened with that woman
from Auburn, didn't they censure her and

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prevent her from speaking?
>> Speaking

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in going Yeah. But it did. But then it
got rever to my knowledge it got

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reversed.
>> Oh, did it?

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» Finally. It took a while.
>> Right.

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» But did it get reversed because they
couldn't do it or did it get reversed

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because enough people didn't agree with
it?

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» Uh don't know. But we should find that
out.

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» I've got that written down
>> just to know where we're

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» I can't remember.
>> Libby. Libby.

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» Laura Libby.
>> Yes.

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» Oh, that's right. The one in Congress.
>> Oh, yeah.

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She couldn't talk.
>> Nope.

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» I guess that would be a question for MMA
legal, too, you know. Yeah. To give us

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the

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because it's it will vary too because
with these different boards

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um like the budget committee or planning
board it's going to be the chairman's

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responsibility
to to know if they are in violation of

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the code.
>> Yes.

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So the chair and vice chair of boards,
committees and commissions have the

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responsibility for intervening when
actions of members appear to be in

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violation of code of ethics.
>> And that is that is in here anyway.

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» Action may vary from public admonishment
and public censure.

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elected officials would be member of
select board.

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» Okay, [clears throat] so it says it
places the board's disapproval and the

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reasons for it in the official record,
may require corrective measures

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authorized by an adopted code of
conduct, such as an apology, training,

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or removal from a committee assignment.
Can damage the member's credibility and

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serve as a warning that future
violations may lead to stronger action.

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does not normally remove the selectman
from office, suspend their voting

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rights, reduce their statutory authority
authority or prevent them from attending

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meetings.

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Do we have freedom of access involved in
this? because it should be

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training
because every elected official or board

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member or anybody that's appointed needs
to go through that course

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» but but this is a code of ethics that's
not really

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» right but
>> they need to go through that course

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isn't part of the code of ethics
>> I'm looking at other people's code of

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ethics and it seems to be in all of them
>> really yep

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» freedom of access training needs to be
A censure should be adopted through a

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motion or written resolution at a
properly noticed public meeting. The

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board may be able to discuss allegations
in executive sess session under limited

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circumstances, but the actual vote in
final action must occur publicly.

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The accused official has specific
participation in open session rights

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when charges or complaints are
discussed.

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It says censure publicly reprimands a
selectman but it usually does not remove

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or silence them.

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So the the notes that I've taken so far
just to make sure I'm doing this

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correctly for code of ethics under part
C

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we need to add that if an employee
appointed official or elected official

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um or an employee appointed official or
elected official shall not cause a

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financial liability for the town.
You can add that in there. Yep.

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» In some way, shape or fashion. I just
don't know exactly how to word that.

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» Um
>> I guess that would i.e. have to be

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defined to
>> what what you may call a financial

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liability doesn't mean
>> if it cost me a dollar that's a

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financial liability. But so
>> yeah,

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» what's the

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» I don't disagree, but I'm just
>> right

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» some clarification.

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I mean,
>> so what I'm thinking is the behaviors of

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any of these people
cannot position us in a in a way that

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could
potentially open us up for lawsuits or

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um extensive um lawyer fees or things of
that nature. I don't know how to word

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that yet. I'm going to need AI help. And
well, I'm just I'm trying to get away

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from the subjective look at it, right?
>> And be these are this is the criteria

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the objective end.
>> So can't do this, can't do that, can't

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do this versus
what

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» so we may feel that night versus
>> what do we feel a financial liability

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is? I mean, in my opinion, it's putting
us in a position that we could be open

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for
lawsuits,

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extensive um legal fees,
>> investigation.

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» Okay. What do you I'm going to capture
those three. Do you have any other that

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you want added there?
>> I don't at the moment.

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» Do you agree with those three?
>> Yes. Okay.

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Nothing went in the chat or about any of
that.

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That's a bad

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» I'm sorry, Rick. What was the one that
you said?

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» I just said um investigations.
investigation

437
00:34:53,404 --> 00:34:55,424
[snorts]

438
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,599
had it in my hand. I should have brought
it. [snorts]

439
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,599
» Okay.

440
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,240
» Am I taking these notes? And is the
expectation that I'm going back and

441
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,440
doing this work?
>> No. No.

442
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,880
» No.
>> I've got I've written things down here.

443
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:23,280
I just [laughter]
>> Well, maybe if you sent your notes out

444
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:28,160
to all of the board that we could all
>> I just needed to know. [laughter]

445
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,394
» No, not not from my perspective.
>> I'll take care of

446
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,599
» If you want to, Nancy, feel free.
[laughter]

447
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:39,309
» That was nice of you. Thank you.
>> I got that one coming. [laughter]

448
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Is there anything else on code of ethics
that

449
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,359
we feel should be
added here?

450
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,119
Should

451
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:23,079
we add those items as like
in a glossery versus

452
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:31,839
trying to stick them in there somewhere?
But this this is our definition of

453
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:35,079
or you just want to make a whole
separate section.

454
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:45,520
I don't think so.
>> Are we gonna Yeah.

455
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:49,280
» Are we going to include volunteers?
>> Should be

456
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,280
» anybody who's representing the town,
right?

457
00:37:04,405 --> 00:37:06,425
» [snorts]

458
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,160
» And we should try to get these policies
too to match up with the personnel

459
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,480
policies.
>> Personnel policy has so much red tape.

460
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:22,145
» Yes.
>> Yellow highlights I should say.

461
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,145
I used orange. [laughter]

462
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:41,680
» Are we ready to move on?
>> I am. I was just waiting for those two

463
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,079
down there [clears throat] to finish
their research.

464
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,240
» Yeah, just reading Ken.
>> That's fine.

465
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:56,640
Burning daylight.
It's all over.

466
00:37:53,599 --> 00:38:01,040
» I know. So early already.
Okay. Have to look at the

467
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:06,720
» Okay.
>> All right. So I the consensus on that.

468
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:11,240
We'll rework that and talk about it
again.

469
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,240
» See what we can do. Yeah.

470
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:21,560
» So is it now off to personnel policies
the bottom of the the list? Y so

471
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,560
» uh

472
00:38:21,696 --> 00:38:25,200
[snorts]
>> we're start

473
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:28,320
» What about this conduct of meetings
policy?

474
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,880
» It wasn't on the agenda.
>> Okay.

475
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:37,760
Cuz we have that too.
It was signed in 24.

476
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,440
» I don't think it was signed by
everybody.

477
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,359
» I don't think I've seen that. So if
somebody can

478
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,599
» cuz I haven't produced that
>> cuz I haven't. That's the only copy

479
00:38:43,311 --> 00:38:47,760
[laughter]
>> cuz somebody cleaned us out over here.

480
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,960
There's a lot of stuff that's missing.
>> This one I have

481
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:56,040
» conduct at meetings.
>> Conduct at meetings policy.

482
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,040
» Huh.

483
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,839
» And it was
>> I'll have to see if I can find it.

484
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:06,400
George is under
>> 220. Everybody Curran, meat,

485
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:09,560
Noel, and Norman JP will [clears throat]
play it.

486
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:18,160
was another one. I just had it when I
was going through everything put in

487
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,839
here.
What about So, oh, what about social

488
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,079
media?
>> We already approved that one.

489
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,760
» I was going to say I thought we settled
that one. Yeah.

490
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,240
» So, that one's approved.
>> Oh, it's done.

491
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:34,560
» And that was after you did your thing.
>> It was. Yeah. Most of my thing was like

492
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,440
cut and we just added one little claws
at the bottom of it.

493
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:44,079
» Okay.
I just want to make sure.

494
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,812
Yeah, I had a lot of
All right.

495
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:53,359
Look at you all the organizers.
[laughter]

496
00:39:50,640 --> 00:40:02,359
» All right. Personnel policies. I'm just
going to start in section one. Anything

497
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,359
for section one?

498
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:10,560
All right. Section two, general
provisions.

499
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,960
» So the first one I had was 2.2.
>> Okay.

500
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:18,320
» Did you have something before then?
>> Nope.

501
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:24,240
» So um 2.2 section A says unless
otherwise covered by a collective

502
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:29,760
bargaining unit. Um
I feel like this should always the

503
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:35,119
personnel policy should cover everybody
all the time. And I'm questioning what

504
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,599
was the purpose of having that unless
otherwise covered by a collective

505
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:42,240
bargaining
>> because sometimes the contracts veer off

506
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:45,599
from some of these things especially it
could be insurance coverage could be

507
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,920
different. Um
>> that's not a personnel policy though is

508
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,320
it?
>> It's insurance. There's all kinds of

509
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:56,240
things in here stated.
>> I mean holidays might be different. I

510
00:40:54,240 --> 00:41:00,880
don't think they are but they could be.
>> Okay.

511
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:06,800
because I think your I think your unions
and also your regular employees are

512
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:09,960
pretty much on the same field for the
most part.

513
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:18,480
But I've seen it before where let's say
the police department, it's not here,

514
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:23,680
but the police department gets more of
their insurance paid than everybody else

515
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:26,240
does. So you can't lay it out here.
That's why you have to have the

516
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,000
collective bargaining piece.
>> Okay.

517
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,319
Um,
all right. I'm not going to fight that

518
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:37,359
battle.
>> No, I'm not fighting. [laughter]

519
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:41,280
» I'll drop that one. On B though, I had a
problem with B2.

520
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,800
It says, "All employees shall receive a
copy of a personnel policy at the time

521
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:50,160
of initial hiring."
>> And my question was, should we change

522
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:57,720
that verbiage to say is provided the
location of where the personnel policy

523
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,720
is can be found on the website?

524
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:02,800
Well, I think that one personally they
should get a copy. They should sign off

525
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,319
on it.
>> Yes. I was just have that

526
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,880
» along with the code of ethics.
>> Yes.

527
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,920
» Right. So then should it be she'll
receive a copy of the personnel policy

528
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,880
and sign off at the time of initial
hiring?

529
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,960
» Yes.
>> Yes. I agree with that. If you've got an

530
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:23,880
up-to-date personnel policy, that's that
would be ideal so that everybody's on

531
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,880
the same page.

532
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Well, every everybody should get a copy
of this one, whether it's whatever is in

533
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,200
effect at the time.

534
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:46,839
» Signature page to be put in their
employee file.

535
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,839
» Oh, I like that better.

536
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:58,920
This would be posted on our website
anyway, wouldn't it?

537
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,920
» It should be. I think it is.

538
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,520
» I'm not sure the personnel policies are
there, but

539
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,920
» it isn't right now.
>> All right. Okay.

540
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,800
» But I think he's right. It should be out
there.

541
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:14,240
» Yes.
>> Um,

542
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,680
» all of these policies should be out
there.

543
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,119
» Correct. Um the next one was the town
manager shall be responsible for the

544
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:25,119
administration of this policy. The town
manager shall be the hiring and firing

545
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:32,000
authority for all employees subject to
the Sabbatis town charter and applicable

546
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:37,680
to state and federal legal requirements.
And I asked does this align with the

547
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:41,280
suggested changes in the charter?
>> I would say so because you said that was

548
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:45,760
was supposed to be clear and cleaning up
what my responsibilities were.

549
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:49,920
» Yeah.
Um,

550
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:53,440
» hey, why am I not covered by this
policy?

551
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:56,440
» That was my next [laughter] question.
>> Hey,

552
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:01,359
» what you brought up
>> and I said, [laughter] shouldn't the

553
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,880
personnel policy apply to everyone? I
would also like the conversation about

554
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,800
whether this should apply to boards as
well.

555
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:11,359
» I think
>> Yeah. Everybody should be held to the

556
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,440
same standards.
>> Exactly.

557
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,920
» Yes.
because there's a lot of things in here

558
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:21,560
that's going to be addressed by the
charter too and the nepotism thing.

559
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,560
» Yep.

560
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:32,720
» So I would like to suggest changing D to
say the personnel policy

561
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:42,359
not only
applies to all employees but also to

562
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,359
all elected and appointed officials.

563
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,136
But then you look at [groaning]

564
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,920
eval
do those not count. Um,

565
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,640
» sure. You going to do my eval for me?
>> Yes.

566
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:05,760
» Okay.
>> PTO. I mean I So the rest of the stuff

567
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,560
in here
>> Oh, I see what you're saying. Doesn't

568
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,960
apply to elected officials, right?
>> I get I get what you're saying. or

569
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:18,480
union.
>> I'm cons maybe I'm operating

570
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:25,760
incorrectly on this but I feel like a
personnel policy is not about your

571
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:32,079
benefits. A personnel policy in my mind
is about the behaviors that you have and

572
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:36,880
what is expected of you [clears throat]
>> in the job.

573
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:41,760
So that's what's giving me kind of the
hangup about like insurance or PTO or

574
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:45,359
holidays.
>> Jerry, do

575
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:49,839
» I don't really feel like those are
>> personnel policy items. I feel like

576
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:55,680
those are
benefits of your job. It's not like

577
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,839
» which is it's included in this though,
right? Because you got section four is

578
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,960
benefits.
>> Yeah. I like you could specify at the

579
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:04,319
top of that. I don't know how it's
written, but I think you could specify

580
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,079
that that's for employees only and not
board members or

581
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:11,119
» Yeah.
>> And your union is different, too,

582
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:15,680
» because their benefits could be could be
different. Yeah.

583
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:20,319
» But I also don't want to put us in a
position where somebody says, "Well, I'm

584
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,440
an elected official and it says this
policy applies to me, so what do I get

585
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,000
for
>> insurance or

586
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,200
pay?

587
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:39,520
And maybe
maybe it's certain sections apply,

588
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,680
» right? That's what I'm saying. I think
you might need to lay out in front of

589
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:48,000
every section who it applies to. If if
that's the route you're trying to go,

590
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:54,160
» or maybe it's like behaviors identified
in this personnel policy apply to,

591
00:46:51,680 --> 00:47:00,400
» maybe that's what it is. Could you could
you do like some of the other stuff here

592
00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:03,359
and and just attach that as the extra
>> as an appendex?

593
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:11,920
» Yeah, an addendum.
>> So in here is the driving policy.

594
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Um that says see attached.
Um sorry the other ones

595
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,880
» I think the drug and alcohol.
>> Yes, drug and alcohol. It's a separate

596
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:26,400
policy.
uh medicinal vehicle operation policy,

597
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:32,319
American with disabilities policy.
Um these are addendums to smoking

598
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:38,079
» harassment and sexual uh yeah harassment
and sexual harassment reimbursement,

599
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:39,839
» drug and alcohol
>> layoffs.

600
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,880
» I mean,
>> so what would that what would you

601
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:50,297
consider that addendum to be called? The
appendix [snorts and clears throat]

602
00:47:48,277 --> 00:47:50,297
[laughter]

603
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:57,960
can't see [laughter]
>> your face speaks volumes.

604
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:05,119
» That's what it's called today.
>> What do you want me to No, no. I

605
00:48:02,033 --> 00:48:09,760
[laughter] mean, what do you want?
If I'm to write something, what am I

606
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:14,640
writing?
What am I saying about that? Am I saying

607
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:17,680
that there's going to be an appendix
about

608
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:22,160
» appendix one, two, three, four, or five?
>> Well, no. So, this this has appendixes.

609
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,480
» What does it say? Sorry. Let me
>> Right. But I how do I

610
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,400
» I get what you're saying. So,
>> right.

611
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:35,760
» Appendix 17 is
>> which part of

612
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:40,400
» Yeah. board behavior. Yes. and maybe
have a one page that addresses the board

613
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:43,400
issues instead of having it all the way
through.

614
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,599
» Okay.
>> Definitely has to be changed. We have

615
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:56,480
people's names on.
>> So, yeah. So, the language in here for

616
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:59,440
municipal vehicle operation refer to
municipal vehicle operation policy

617
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:04,319
approved by the board of select men in
September of 17, 2011. for further

618
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:09,119
details listed as an index number five
in this package.

619
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,440
So
I mean

620
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:22,720
i.e. can that code of conduct and stuff
all be put into that one lump sum in the

621
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,400
personnel policy?
>> You need the code of ethics.

622
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:30,720
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. and and then added in as an

623
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:36,200
appendix or
>> within the policy

624
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,200
» within the personnel policy.

625
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,119
» That was a question.
>> I mean, it can, right?

626
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,400
» Well, yeah, but um
does it work? Does it not work? Are we

627
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,240
accomplishing the
>> same goal,

628
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:55,599
» right?
>> I would think so.

629
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,599
» Yeah.

630
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:08,160
All right. So, I create I just said
create an appendex about the sections of

631
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,160
this policy that apply to elected and
appointed officials and the town

632
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:15,160
manager.
>> Sure.

633
00:50:22,204 --> 00:50:29,200
» [snorts]
>> Um,

634
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:34,359
did you have something before 2.3?
>> No.

635
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:34,359
» So,

636
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:42,480
2.3.
Um, hold on. Sorry, [snorts] I

637
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:48,240
lost my place.
2.3A,

638
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:52,800
item three. The town manager shall not
post any position that the board of

639
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:56,160
selectmen must confirm appointment of
prior to receiving official approval for

640
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,250
such posting.
>> Oh boy.

641
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,250
» Upon rece [laughter]

642
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,599
upon receiving
>> posting.

643
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,359
» Wait, what?
>> I must confirm appointment of that's not

644
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:15,200
how it's written though.
>> That's how I changed it back in 24.

645
00:51:13,295 --> 00:51:18,240
[laughter]
Did anybody sign that?

646
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,880
» No.
>> Um,

647
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:25,359
» we didn't. I It ended on 2921 actually.
>> So, we were just starting to go through

648
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,839
this.
>> And my question was, what are these? Are

649
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:34,079
they in the charter? Can we call these
out here? And do we do this?

650
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,839
» They are in the charter.
>> Which positions?

651
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,800
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, it's your department head

652
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:44,160
positions basically.
>> Yes.

653
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:47,160
Department heads, town clerk,
treasurer,

654
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,480
animal control, building inspector, code
enforcement officer, emergency

655
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:04,960
management director, fire chief, health
officer, local for weights and measures,

656
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,839
plumbing inspector, police chief, public
works foreman, sleeper dam commission,

657
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:14,079
tax assessor, tax collector, town clerk,
voter reg, Deputies,

658
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:19,079
treasurer, town attorney, general
assistance administrator, transfer

659
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,079
station manager.

660
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,240
Okay.
So, you wanted to read, the town manager

661
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:32,400
shall not post any position that the
board of selectman must confirm

662
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,800
appointment of upon receiving official.
>> No.

663
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:40,880
» Well, I thought that's what you just
said because it didn't make sense to me

664
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:46,240
after I don't
Well, that's problematic because if you

665
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:48,480
have somebody resign,
>> you're not waiting for the select board,

666
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:53,720
» right?
>> You're going to do it at your job.

667
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,720
» Yeah.

668
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,680
» I mean, for instance, with
>> I mean, I would still be sitting here

669
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:00,880
waiting and not being able to hire that
position.

670
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,839
» Yeah.
>> Then you and then you got to advertise

671
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:07,119
and you've got to wait. So, you're just
pushing that off weeks.

672
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,119
» Yeah. I think that's going to be taken
out.

673
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:17,240
What was the purpose of that?
>> Knowing too much control.

674
00:53:17,746 --> 00:53:23,119
[snorts]
>> I could see if it was a new position

675
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,200
that was being created that wasn't
previously

676
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:30,079
» which you would come to us anyways,
>> right? But I could see that

677
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:34,640
» if I all of a sudden said, "Hey, I want
to add a fifth person in the office that

678
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:41,040
we haven't had." Then I could see that.
But

679
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:44,480
yeah, if id waited, we we'd still be
>> But again, it doesn't say you have to

680
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:48,319
wait for the meeting. I mean, we could
have an emergency meeting to discuss

681
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,359
that.
>> I just think that's too

682
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:56,760
» It says official approval.
>> Right.

683
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,760
» Matter anyway. We're not the governing

684
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,760
» because I think because didn't it hold
on where did it say that?

685
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:11,920
If you go back to 2.2C,
it says I'm responsible for all the

686
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:17,480
hiring and the firing.
But then it's I think that kind of

687
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,480
contradicts that.

688
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:34,240
If it's a position we've already had,
it needs to be filled.

689
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:39,359
» I just
I don't know. So, I don't disagree with

690
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:43,839
that,
but let me throw this out there and just

691
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,400
tell me what your thoughts are. So, take
like the fire chief position. My

692
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,839
understanding is
that

693
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:55,760
is his name Dustin?
>> Yeah. That he asked about working being

694
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,800
a part-time fire chief rather than a
full-time fire chief in the interview

695
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,559
process.
>> Is that true?

696
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:04,960
» You didn't ask about being parttime. you
were in the interview process.

697
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,788
» I don't recall.
>> He didn't ask about parttime.

698
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:10,720
» He didn't ask about parttime. Okay.
[clears throat]

699
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,240
» Um so let's just pretend he did.
>> Okay.

700
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,760
» Just for the [laughter] sake of my
argument. Okay.

701
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:19,760
» Is that
is that something that we would just

702
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,800
immediately say no to or is that
something we would be open to

703
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,280
conversation about? And what would the
process look like for that conversation

704
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,520
to happen?
>> Well, again,

705
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,680
» how does that apply to this particular
line?

706
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:36,319
that's within the hiring and firing and
the and the job descriptions of the town

707
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:40,240
manager.
>> Do you think that would be your call to

708
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:45,040
determine if he said, "Okay, I'd like to
be part-time," then your thought is you

709
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:54,079
could make that call as to whether he
was part-time or not. And because that

710
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:57,200
feels to me maybe not a full that there
need to be. Now, I guess if if you're

711
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:00,880
changing the job description itself,
then maybe that's different,

712
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,720
» right? If you're hiring for a full-time
position

713
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:06,079
» and you're only hire and then he wants
to be part, that would be different.

714
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:10,000
Yeah, I could see that.
>> Y

715
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:12,240
and one, you've advertised differently.
You've advertised for a full-time,

716
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,280
right?
>> Somebody knew it was going to be a

717
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,960
part-time job, but maybe they couldn't
apply group.

718
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,960
» Yeah. Right.
>> Yeah.

719
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,640
» Yeah. that that I can see.

720
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:56,480
It's all there. So
>> in charge of hiring hiring per charter

721
00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:00,559
town charter. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.

722
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:05,119
» I'm I'm eliminating number three.
>> Okay.

723
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:09,760
» Um provided number two
happens.

724
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:13,599
She always does.
Who is this? She

725
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:17,680
» tell somebody that's leaving. [laughter]
>> I'm not

726
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,880
I'm not providing this as the current
operation. I mean we we need to make

727
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,960
this so that
>> right for anybody that

728
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:28,799
» the next
>> jeez my think in section one

729
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:32,480
» it does still say the towel manager
doesn't matter if it's her she or they

730
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,000
» them
>> them the towel manager

731
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:41,920
» yes
>> will notify George Merrill [laughter] of

732
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,799
the select board of all job postings
prior to the first day of a job posting

733
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,960
» yes
>> yes [cough]

734
00:57:46,954 --> 00:57:50,640
[clears throat]
>> I I do believe I'm pretty good about

735
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,799
» yes
Monday or Thursday I say so and so has

736
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:59,640
quit today
>> I [laughter] put a strike through yeah

737
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:08,640
» I agree George thanks I'm just messing
with you know that

738
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:13,155
» for a short time
>> where do you think you're going

739
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,175
» to censure him Oh.
[laughter]

740
00:58:18,395 --> 00:58:25,040
[laughter]
>> Oh, I can see that.

741
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:29,280
» Don't say much now. [laughter]
>> No, you're usually quiet. So,

742
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:32,000
» all right.
>> So, but above that, are we done with

743
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:37,520
that?
>> Yes.

744
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:43,839
» So, I am on A1 in that section.
>> A1. Yep. So announcements of vacancies

745
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,760
notices for all vacancies shall be
posted for a minimum of 14 days prior to

746
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,119
the permanent selection to fill the
vacancies.

747
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:55,760
Um
um such notice at a minimum shall

748
00:58:53,839 --> 00:59:03,000
include the name of the position, brief
description of expected qualification

749
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:03,000
and closing date adding

750
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:12,960
um postings will be at all town
facilities for the defined post period.

751
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:18,160
» Posting of
>> yes vacancy.

752
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:23,200
» What do you mean by that? So you send
out a memo that public works, fire,

753
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:28,000
police, they all get it posted their
board. This is a job. This is a job

754
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:31,040
opening. It gets posted on their
bulletin board.

755
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:34,799
» So just internally posting it as well
>> and wherever yours is here.

756
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,799
» It's a bulletin board. Yeah. Posting
internally.

757
00:59:38,961 --> 00:59:48,640
[clears throat]
And then I don't I I'm I'll put it

758
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:54,240
either add a section or
um all hirings

759
00:59:51,040 --> 01:00:02,200
must be approved by the town manager
in advance and this includes volunteers

760
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:02,200
paid on call.

761
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:14,559
should not be having department heads
posting and hiring people without the

762
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:19,920
town manager approving
that. You know, if we say that, i.e.,

763
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:26,720
I'll just use fire because it's easier.
They have they have a 35 man roster and

764
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:30,240
they want to put a 36 person on. There's
no openings.

765
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,319
» Yeah,
>> that's where I'm

766
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,559
» So, is that going to be number three
there?

767
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,400
» Oh, I just made it number two. Oh, okay.
>> But I can put it wherever you want it to

768
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,640
be.
>> Oh, that's fine.

769
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:47,520
» Number Well, whatever works.
>> So, all staff hirings

770
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:54,520
» must be approved by the town manager
prior to offers being made.

771
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:54,520
» No, before job postings.

772
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,200
» Oh, job posting and hiring. So,

773
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:11,359
This will include promotions.
>> Yes, it's a separate separate section,

774
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:16,599
but yes.
>> Okay. [laughter] He has a whole policy

775
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:16,599
for that.

776
01:01:17,867 --> 01:01:23,319
[laughter]
>> I didn't get that far.

777
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:23,319
» That's right.

778
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:30,559
» He's been waiting for us to talk about
this.

779
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:34,400
» Well, that could go So, in relation to
that, would would it be the same for the

780
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:37,200
police department, too? Yes.
>> Yes.

781
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:40,400
» I think he's saying across the board
department.

782
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:44,400
» So, i.e. currently or I'm thinking
anyhow right now we should be

783
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:46,880
advertising for a part-time public works
driver on call.

784
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,799
» Mhm.
>> That should be Raquel that's doing that

785
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,559
and not the public works foreman who
decides that he's going to advertise for

786
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,359
that in advance
and hire that on his own.

787
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,319
» I don't think we advertised for one of
those last year.

788
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:07,040
» Right. I mean, but we didn't hire one
either. So just you know it's something

789
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:11,359
like that that I we know it's they need
somebody on call but again everything

790
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:14,480
should go through in my mind everything
should go through the town manager in

791
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:19,359
order to do hiring
>> be surprise hires

792
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:23,423
have to spell that out to all of them.
Yeah, that's next week. [laughter]

793
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,200
» We have a department meeting next week.

794
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:35,640
» Hey, good.
>> I'm good.

795
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,640
» Y

796
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,760
siring preference.

797
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:05,079
I think I had
>> that need to be changed.

798
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,079
» Okay,

799
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:12,480
» go ahead.
>> And I was just looking at the grammatics

800
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:17,839
of the first line. If all things are
considered equal, the town will give a

801
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:22,880
hiring preference to applicants
that have colon or it spells

802
01:03:21,008 --> 01:03:26,319
[clears throat] it out in the next four
or five lines here, but I didn't know

803
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,039
just grammatically.
>> Yeah, that doesn't end. It's kind of

804
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:34,079
just dead right there, right?
>> Yeah.

805
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:38,319
» So, our strro is removed.
If all things are considered equal,

806
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:45,400
» I'm saying I will be giving a hiring
preference to applicants. Towns will

807
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,400
give a hiring preference to applicants

808
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:50,000
under the following criteria. Yeah.
>> For

809
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,200
» Yeah, they did. It's like they didn't
finish the sentence,

810
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,480
» right?
>> Yeah.

811
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:58,079
» But it explains it in the next
>> right

812
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:02,799
» five or six lines there, but it just it
was just the grammatic of okay, what is

813
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:06,960
it? [clears throat]
And if there were i.e. bullet points for

814
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:12,160
the next,
you know, see and then then one, two,

815
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:18,000
three, four, five, six items that are
there. If you could do that,

816
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:24,280
if we could see what those what those
are quickly versus kind of stumbling

817
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,280
through the paragraph.

818
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:35,079
» Is that your phone?
>> I keep looking at mine every time the

819
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:35,079
noise goes. [laughter]

820
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:58,039
Hey,

821
01:05:12,359 --> 01:05:14,380
» [snorts]

822
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,400
» Okay.
>> All right.

823
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:26,559
» I've captured all that.
>> Okay. Good. All right. Anybody else? C D

824
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:31,119
E.
>> Yes.

825
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:35,280
» Um, so hiring process for police
officers. So, I basically just said,

826
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:40,200
"Are we doing this for only full-time
employees? Does it include part-time

827
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,200
employees?"

828
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:49,760
Because I don't
if we were actually following this, we

829
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:54,319
wouldn't have had an employee who
couldn't pass their alert.

830
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:58,720
» I mean, their their Yes.
>> So, I think

831
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:02,200
my comment was more about we're not
following our policy.

832
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,720
Is the alert test the same as the
>> No, sorry. She

833
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:16,520
» alert test is I'm talking about the
physical agility test

834
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,520
» section two

835
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:25,359
if applicable.
>> It is applicable. It would be for an

836
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:29,680
officer
>> that says training program. But wouldn't

837
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:35,440
that be just for your full-timers
because part- timerrs have to do that?

838
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:38,160
» Well, they've already been established
as an officer.

839
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:44,160
» I don't think that I don't know what the
the exam is for reserves for a green pin

840
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,680
because they've already gone through it.
>> No,

841
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,119
» if they're that if they're already an
officer,

842
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,760
» if they're a blue pin, they've already
gone through it, right? But

843
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:54,160
» some of these
>> we hire we hire green pin green pins as

844
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:59,039
reserves.
>> Yeah, green pin is a reserve. Mhm.

845
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:03,766
» A blue pin is a full-time officer
>> most of the time.

846
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,766
» Yeah. [clears throat]

847
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:11,200
» And then I was questioning number, do we
have an oral board that has been

848
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,839
established by the town?
>> Not that I know of.

849
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:26,960
» So number two,
>> so four, five, and six. I don't know

850
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:28,319
that we do those for part- timerrs.
>> I don't think

851
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,880
» and I
>> What do you consider an oral board?

852
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:36,839
Because I don't even know if we do that
for the full time.

853
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:36,839
» That would be the Thomas Sabbatis page.

854
01:07:37,116 --> 01:07:39,136
[laughter]

855
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:45,031
I'm kidding.
[snorts]

856
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,960
» Yeah, there is none. again.
>> And would that be laid out in their No,

857
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:55,240
because if they're parttime, they
wouldn't be covered by the contract,

858
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,240
» right?

859
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,039
» Huh.
>> Is there anything in their contract?

860
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,160
» Wouldn't be for part- timerrs?
>> No, nothing part time. You sure?

861
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,079
» Yeah.
>> So, wait,

862
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,960
» we don't Well, we don't have any part-
timerrs that are in the union.

863
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,359
» I just think we should look at this
section and have a conversation with

864
01:08:15,762 --> 01:08:20,400
[clears throat] our new chief. Yeah.
>> And figure out what are we doing and

865
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:26,080
what are we not doing and what do we
need to do here because

866
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:30,640
» it might help us
>> a little bit if we followed it.

867
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:34,080
» Yes. Correct.
>> And also number 10.

868
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:37,600
» Oh, I was there too.
>> Hold on. Did we say five, six, seven,

869
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:40,880
eight, nine were okay? Hold on.
>> No, they're all I think they're all pro

870
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,600
problematic. I don't think we're
following any of these. Okay.

871
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:48,480
» I mean, maybe eight.
Yes,

872
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:52,640
» I think you have Oh, wait.
>> But that adds in some post-secary

873
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,080
education, which
>> I honestly don't agree with that

874
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:59,040
» with what a 60 credit hour.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

875
01:08:56,719 --> 01:09:02,719
» I don't I don't think that is a criteria
we should have for a part-time officer,

876
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,920
but that's just
>> But again, that's something we can go

877
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:08,719
over with the chief, I would think.
>> Yes.

878
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,679
» Um, but number 10,
>> let him because he's going to be the

879
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,719
hiring guy, right?
>> And I Yeah.

880
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:16,799
» Yep.
I like to see what he has.

881
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:21,199
» Yeah.
>> Number 10 says, "To become a reserve or

882
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:24,640
part-time officer, the applicant must
already be a certified full-time police

883
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:27,199
officer working for another police
department.

884
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:31,359
» Yeah,
>> that's not true. We don't do that."

885
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,679
» I mean, I guess I just feel like we
should not have stuff in here that we

886
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,719
know we're not going to do, right?
>> Okay. So, [laughter]

887
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:42,480
» I the same thing I had it crossed out on
my list. Just take that out.

888
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:47,040
» I'll talk to him about those. He'll be
He worked today.

889
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:49,520
He's not here full-time yet,
>> but he's working two days next week as

890
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:50,319
well.
>> Here.

891
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,799
» Yep.
>> Okay.

892
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:56,239
» Yep. And then he starts full-time the
following week.

893
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,159
» And the other chief,
>> Jeff?

894
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,040
» Yep. Is he still here?
>> Yeah.

895
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,440
» Okay.
>> For now, his golf clubs are ready to

896
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,893
roll.
>> Good. [laughter]

897
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,120
» Four.
>> Two. Four.

898
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,120
» Yes.
>> Okay.

899
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:19,760
And I'm just
>> I'm just back again to the Nancy

900
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:26,400
question with that. Are we
>> enforcing this, reviewing this? If we

901
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:30,560
have part-time people working 35 hours a
week, they're considered full-time,

902
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,280
» right?
>> You'll notice I believe that has

903
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,600
stopped.
>> Yeah. I just want to [laughter]

904
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:41,440
» Yeah.
So I just and and if if you can get

905
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:46,560
clarification for us what that number
really is and what what constitutes

906
01:10:44,448 --> 01:10:50,400
[laughter] continuous.
>> I think after the conversation you and I

907
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:56,239
had that day, I think I googled it and I
said, "Oh, George is right. We need to

908
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:59,760
stop this cease and desist." [laughter]
>> Yes. But I can I'll get a hold of legal

909
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,440
and ask.
>> All right.

910
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:09,719
» What that constitutes
>> and and the same it's not in here.

911
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,280
» Okay.

912
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,719
Anything else under the section 2.4?
Anybody?

913
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:23,600
2.5
>> a

914
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,040
» a [snorts]
>> um [clears throat] talks about

915
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:30,880
probationary period and probationary
employees shall be formally reviewed

916
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:34,800
during the first 90 days of employment.
My question is how often are we doing

917
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:36,640
that?
>> 90 days.

918
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,840
» Yep.
>> No, I hit the six months.

919
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,920
I guess I didn't realize it was 90. It
can be.

920
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,480
» So
>> that one that one can stay. I can do

921
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:52,960
that. just kind of calling it out,
>> right? Me, too. I That was on my That

922
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:57,040
was on my list, too.
As well as

923
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:59,120
» um
the annual

924
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,880
» 30 6090
>> the annual

925
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:08,280
» three months
>> evaluation that

926
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,280
» every employee needs.

927
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:16,560
» But are they?
>> Mhm. They are now. So, firefighter B has

928
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:19,920
» Well, I can't tell you what he's they've
been since my new people have come on,

929
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,960
but they know to do them.
>> Okay. Well, I'm asking and who's who's

930
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,000
double-checking that.
>> Yes.

931
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:29,679
» We need to decide that every employee in
the town needs correct needs an

932
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:33,600
evaluation every year.
>> And

933
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:38,400
» yep. Again, I know it's probably a lot
of work, but I'm looking at the biggest

934
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:45,280
department we have, 35 volunteers or
call paid. They all have a eval in their

935
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,320
personnel file here at the town office.
>> Even volunteers,

936
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:53,485
» I said there's no volunteers, so they're
all pretty that. But I've got three

937
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:56,400
volunteer applications on my desk.
[laughter]

938
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,760
» Well, I think that
>> Yeah,

939
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,280
» they live local,
>> I believe. So,

940
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,719
» that's what it's supposed to be. Again,
I think that they should know where they

941
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,679
stand
>> if they're g if they're volunteering and

942
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:12,960
and and we're talking fire, you know,
that

943
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,320
they should know whether they're in good
standing, whether they're meeting their

944
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,440
their requirements, you know, and I'm
sure that they're having those

945
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:23,480
discussions, but something formal should
be in place.

946
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,480
» Document it.

947
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,719
90 days,

948
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,080
six months, one year.

949
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:42,840
Are you all set with the rest of the
probation area period? All right. 2.6

950
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,840
promotions.

951
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:56,320
So, I made a note that
all promotions again should be posted

952
01:13:53,199 --> 01:14:00,040
for the 14-day minimum just like any
other job opening.

953
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:09,679
And
again, all all those postings will be

954
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:12,679
approved by the town manager prior to
posting

955
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:19,239
is what I've added to that section.

956
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:27,600
» I'm not sure that I agree with that.
>> Sure. Now that I wrote it down,

957
01:14:26,496 --> 01:14:31,199
[laughter]
>> just because George said it doesn't make

958
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,560
it gospel truth.
>> Hey, George speaks.

959
01:14:33,046 --> 01:14:37,040
» [laughter]
>> Well, I guess

960
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:40,040
» he's already rewrote this whole thing.
>> Yeah,

961
01:14:41,561 --> 01:14:49,040
[clears throat]
>> I do believe that before any promotion,

962
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:54,400
no matter what it is,
Raquel should be aware of it and have

963
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:59,840
some say in whether it should be filled
or not and

964
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:07,120
kind of some say as to who is getting
the role. Now, does it go back to the

965
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:08,880
existing employees have first dibs?
>> So, I

966
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:14,320
» only if
>> I guess let's say it's a a title with

967
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:21,280
the fire department, police department,
something like that. In that scenario,

968
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:25,920
I don't necessarily feel like it should
have to be posted.

969
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:31,120
The reason I don't is that department
head should know their people well

970
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:35,440
enough that do you go through this whole
interview process with 10 different

971
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:39,920
people when you already know exactly who
you're going to hire or promote. Now

972
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:43,679
sometimes you might not. Sometimes you
might say there's two or three people

973
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:47,920
who are qualified for that position and
then you post it and you go through that

974
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:53,199
process. But if you're like, it's very
clear the deputy chief should be XYZ

975
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:57,760
person.
I don't see value in wasting people's

976
01:15:55,679 --> 01:16:02,080
time going through that whole process.
That's that's just my two cents worth.

977
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:07,440
» Yeah. Why would somebody want to come
here and not be be able to advance

978
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:10,719
on based on what you're saying,
>> right?

979
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:14,800
» And not have to go through like you said
posting. And but on the other on the

980
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:22,239
other side of that, that [clears throat]
may be the case, but

981
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:25,760
to not post it and to say, "Hey, John, I
think you should have this position and

982
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,400
you're the right person for the job, so
we're not going to post it. We're just

983
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:35,199
going to promote you into this
position." I think is is does a

984
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:42,159
disservice for there may be a Sally over
there who's the quietest best employee

985
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:46,480
you have and hasn't shown you know has
has the credentials has the stuff to do

986
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:52,880
that with but doesn't get asked to apply
for that position and maybe if she gets

987
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:57,120
an opportunity to apply and we can see
the resume and see that she's interested

988
01:16:54,719 --> 01:17:01,760
and see that she's done this IE
schooling or or or whatever

989
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:05,679
that maybe maybe she is a good candidate
for that position. But if you don't post

990
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:12,480
it, you don't know if others are
interested or maybe interested, maybe

991
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:18,400
it's a good way to build, you know, but
to me by just hand selecting and I you

992
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,320
know that I know I know that this person
is the best person with the job. I'm

993
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:24,880
just going to
>> I guess I'm not saying that every time

994
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:28,800
it has to be done that way. I'm just
saying that there might be times when

995
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:33,760
it's very clear who the person should
be. And I don't think if you put it in

996
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:39,440
here, you're tying yourself to a process
that I don't think is always beneficial.

997
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:43,600
» I do understand what he's saying.
>> It's posting within though. See, I'm

998
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:46,560
thinking outside.
>> No, this would be posting.

999
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:51,120
» This would be posting within. Yeah. No,
absolutely.

1000
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:53,920
» I know what this He's right. That's
really You really should be posting

1001
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,239
within because that would avoid some
issues that we've had.

1002
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,679
» A lot of it.
>> Yeah.

1003
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,840
» And a lot of it here.
>> Yeah.

1004
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,960
» It just gives everybody if they would
apply.

1005
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:05,440
» Yes.
>> And it gives the town manager the

1006
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,239
ability to to say to the department
head,

1007
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,320
» why not this person? Look at this
resume. Why not this person?

1008
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,760
» Right.
>> And the department head then has to

1009
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:18,800
explain
why this and why not that. You know, it

1010
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:23,280
gives that person the ability
>> to have some dialogue and input versus,

1011
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:26,239
you know, I've select I've selected this
person.

1012
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,600
» Exactly. Why didn't Yeah. Why didn't you
even ask me?

1013
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,719
» Right.
>> Right.

1014
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:32,719
» Y
>> and if you post it, then every person

1015
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:35,719
sees the posting has an opportunity to
apply.

1016
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:42,719
» And I think that doesn't that does a
good service to our employees to

1017
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:48,640
» right recognize it. Well, and and it
gives them um the ability to go through

1018
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:51,120
that process for the next time
>> to be able to climb a ladder,

1019
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:56,560
» right?
>> So, how do you want it? You want it

1020
01:18:52,640 --> 01:19:01,800
position should be posted internally
>> for the 14 days. The same as a hiring,

1021
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:13,040
but again, only after the approval of
the town manager.

1022
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:17,239
She want to create something that's not
there, right? Can't,

1023
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:33,600
you know, I'll and I'll just I'll go to
public works this time. You know, we've

1024
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:38,640
decided that we want a deputy foreman
down there. the public works foreman

1025
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:42,080
decides that who that's going to Oh, I
just think that he's good for the job

1026
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:45,600
and
process.

1027
01:19:44,175 --> 01:19:50,070
[laughter]
>> Okay.

1028
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:52,880
» So, I [snorts] you killing me.
[laughter]

1029
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:57,840
» I try to be entertaining for you. You
are all right. Very much. So I will say

1030
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:04,080
the one thing I think I mentioned this
to Rick but I feel like we as a board

1031
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:10,159
need to start giving better direction to
Raquel and I want to add this to our

1032
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:14,400
next agenda for our board meeting is
what are we looking for in the some of

1033
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:22,239
these positions or in I guess in the
staffing because

1034
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:25,520
you know I will tell Raquel what I want
maybe she does it maybe she doesn't do

1035
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:30,800
it. Then I'm like, "Well, Marquel, you
didn't do what I told you to do."

1036
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:34,719
» Oh, that's George, too. Yeah. [laughter]
>> I mean, her response should be, "Yeah,

1037
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:38,320
well, you just told me the board didn't,
right?" So, I think we need to do a

1038
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:43,679
better job of going back and saying,
"Okay, we only want," and I'm just

1039
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:48,320
making up numbers, but we only want 25
people on the roster for the fire

1040
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:51,120
department. So if we have 35 right now,
one person gets done, that doesn't mean

1041
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:54,560
we're going to backfill that position,
you know, because she doesn't she, as

1042
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,199
far as I know, she has not been given
that direction by this board,

1043
01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:01,120
» right? [clears throat]
>> I've given her a lot of thought.

1044
01:20:59,501 --> 01:21:04,719
[laughter]
>> So I think we need to do a better job of

1045
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:07,600
doing that.
>> And during the project process to define

1046
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:12,080
that,
>> I don't think it should be weighted.

1047
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:14,960
Well, no, but but if you only but if you
only budgeted for 25,

1048
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,120
» right?
>> Then

1049
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:22,000
» that's true. Yeah,
>> that I guess that's when it gets very

1050
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:28,960
clear when the budgets are cut and
they're not covered.

1051
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:34,800
» Yeah. All that you got to remember.
>> Okay, I've added that in there.

1052
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:42,600
» All right. Anything else under that?
>> Um I had anything there.

1053
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,600
» Okay. 2.7 Disability Accommodations.

1054
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:48,199
» 2.8 training, education, and
conferences.

1055
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:53,400
» 2.9 Safety Policy.

1056
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:59,639
210 Personnel Records.

1057
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:09,600
Two. Um, yeah.
So,

1058
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:12,960
» which one are you in?
>> Personal records.

1059
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:16,560
» Okay.
>> Are there personal records for select

1060
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,560
people or board members?
>> No.

1061
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:26,239
» Should there be?
>> Oh, I say no, but there might be. She

1062
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,880
may have folders up there.
>> Well, yes, there probably is because we

1063
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:32,560
had to do
>> Right. You had to do your W TWS or

1064
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,840
whatever your I9.
>> Yeah.

1065
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:41,199
And there should be a
I don't know if it's called a personnel

1066
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,320
record, but if you're censuring people
or something, there should be

1067
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,000
documented.
>> Yes.

1068
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:48,639
» It's got to be something it's got to go
into to be

1069
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:52,800
» there.
>> I'll find out. I mean, that's easy

1070
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:56,320
enough to start if they're not. But she
may have something up there

1071
01:22:54,880 --> 01:23:00,960
» because there should be other things in
that personel

1072
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,560
» record, the foyer stuff, the things that
they're supposed to you were supposed to

1073
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:07,040
do,
>> right? any sign off on any media or any

1074
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:10,040
workshop or anything you've been to.
Yeah.

1075
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:16,159
» Yeah. Now that you say that, yeah,
should be.

1076
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:20,000
» Because if we're not included in the
personnel policy, we are included in the

1077
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:25,120
ethics policy,
>> right? Yeah.

1078
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:31,080
» Code of ethics. [snorts]
I just feel we should

1079
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,080
» there may be

1080
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,440
all right and 211 job description
evaluations.

1081
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:53,520
So, I highlighted this one
um because I feel like somewhere in here

1082
01:23:49,920 --> 01:24:00,000
we should be stating that
the town manager needs to kind of

1083
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:03,679
understand what is being said in those
reviews.

1084
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:08,480
So
if for example

1085
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:13,199
somebody was getting a review stating
they were failing to do their job,

1086
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:16,639
» you should be aware of that
>> and be able to be have a conversation

1087
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:19,760
with that department head to say are we
putting them on an action plan? Are we

1088
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:23,120
doing you know how are we addressing
this step

1089
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:28,320
» rather than it just be addressed
>> with that review and nothing happened.

1090
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:32,960
So you you at least know the context of
what's happening. Also the vice versa

1091
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:35,440
where you you're an excellent employee
but maybe everybody doesn't feel that

1092
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,679
way.
>> Yep.

1093
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:40,159
» You know those evaluations are kept here
anyway, right? Public horse, we keep

1094
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:44,480
theirs there.
>> No, we have everybody's personnel's

1095
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:48,239
files here. They may keep copies, but
that the originals should be upstairs.

1096
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:51,440
» Yes. All personnel file should be here
and not

1097
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:56,960
» so he should be when he's re-evaluating
somebody or a department's reeval like

1098
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,888
any of them Jerry or them
>> fire

1099
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:03,000
» all those records are kept here.
[laughter]

1100
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,000
» Mhm.

1101
01:25:03,163 --> 01:25:07,199
[clears throat]
>> Okay.

1102
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:12,960
Sure about that?
>> Like I said they may keep copies but the

1103
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:17,573
original should all be upstairs.
should I want the answer to be they are

1104
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,594
» they are George
[laughter]

1105
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:25,840
» I can't speak to what took place before
I got here

1106
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:29,040
» no I know I'm just so who but the
department heads are keeping are the

1107
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,280
ones that are keeping track of that or
are you

1108
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:35,840
» no the department heads keep track of
their employees within their department

1109
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,600
» to reval evalue yes for their
evaluations

1110
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:42,560
» yes
>> but I believe the town manager should be

1111
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:44,239
asking that these raw it should be able
to see them.

1112
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,880
» You should have Yes. Yes.
>> They should come across her desk before

1113
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:51,199
they get in the file. Correct.
>> So she knows that every employee in the

1114
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,639
community in the town has been evaluated
annually.

1115
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,280
» Yep. But
>> so these questions that you ask at your

1116
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,880
» department,
>> sorry, your media department meetings,

1117
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:03,520
have you got any new evaluations? I need
them. Okay. But she needs to also be

1118
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:09,199
aware of that before it's delivered to
the employee because if she doesn't

1119
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:12,639
agree with it, she needs to be able
>> You can't give somebody a great

1120
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:16,199
evaluation and have [laughter]
Raquel's like, "Uh-uh.

1121
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:21,840
It has to happen in advance."
>> That doesn't happen. But I agree that

1122
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,360
would be handy.
>> I think that's what needs to happen

1123
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:28,960
though because ultimately we would be
going to you saying, "What the heck?"

1124
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,560
Yeah.
>> And in order for you to be able to be

1125
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,560
covered.
>> Yeah.

1126
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:45,440
» It also says here that each employee
should be afforded at least one meeting

1127
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:50,639
six months prior to to their formal
evaluation to informally discuss with

1128
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:55,159
their supervisor their performance. So
we should ensure that's happening as

1129
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:55,159
well.

1130
01:26:56,159 --> 01:27:02,639
one meeting as close to six months prior
to the formal.

1131
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:05,520
» Wow.
>> Huh.

1132
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:10,080
» Well, that's not going on.
>> But again, that's not for me. That's not

1133
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:14,000
a formal sit down,
>> right?

1134
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:18,320
» Well, it's a sit down. It's it's maybe
it's a if I'm a public works employee,

1135
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:22,719
maybe I'm in the truck riding with my
boss having a conversation about my

1136
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:26,880
work, right? You know, and that's fine.
It does it doesn't have to be written

1137
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:31,440
with somebody signing a paper. It's just
having that conversation to say, "Hey,

1138
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,199
you're doing good." Or, "Hey, I really
need you to step it up here."

1139
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:37,360
» Yeah.
>> And are all the job descriptions up to

1140
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:43,440
date?
Every employee has a job description.

1141
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:47,280
» They're in the S drive, but I can't say
that they're all perfect.

1142
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:50,800
The ones we haven't had to hire, I
couldn't tell you. the only it's only

1143
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:54,080
the positions that I've had to hire that
I would be able to say you where they're

1144
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:58,480
where they need to be.
>> But that would be something that we

1145
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:03,840
would have to do that would have to be
updated to know what their roles are.

1146
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:07,199
» I suppose
>> because we're Yeah. For me, specifically

1147
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,080
the front office now that roles are
changing.

1148
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,280
» Yep.
>> They sure are.

1149
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,800
» Yeah.
>> That their job description should

1150
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,199
include that so they know what the
expectations are. Mhm.

1151
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,480
» Yeah.
>> And other duties as assigned on every

1152
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,600
job description.
>> Right. Right.

1153
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:24,480
» Yeah. Find out three weeks. I'm not
doing that.

1154
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:27,440
» Yeah.
>> That's not my job.

1155
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:32,159
» The other thing it states here is all
probationary employees must receive an

1156
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:36,320
acceptable performance review prior to
the end of their probationary period as

1157
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:41,800
a minimum to off be offered a regular
employee status.

1158
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,800
» Yes, that's at six months.

1159
01:28:51,520 --> 01:29:00,880
So, I'm going to I'm going to go back up
to the top for a second of that page.

1160
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:06,239
Uh, so it'll be 2.8 C.
It talks about travel and then on the

1161
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:11,760
second on the top of the next page uh
the employee at uh sorry the town will

1162
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:18,560
reimburse the employee at the acceptable
mileage rate. Um further in the document

1163
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:24,679
it talks about the IRS rate. So, I was
just trying to clean that up and make it

1164
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,679
the same.

1165
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:31,719
I find the
hour.

1166
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:49,280
So, if we could if we could make it the
same so that

1167
01:29:48,747 --> 01:29:53,159
» [clears throat]
>> Can't find it now.

1168
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:10,639
Uh yeah. So under 3.20 20 mileage
reimbursement. All employees using their

1169
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:14,719
privately owned vehicles
in the conduct of official town business

1170
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:18,480
shall be reimbured for mileage at the
standard rate allowed by the Internal

1171
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:22,400
Revenue Service.
That should be the language that's in

1172
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:28,080
there.
Just take out acceptable mileage rate

1173
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:32,480
and put in
the internal uh the yeah the standard

1174
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:36,000
rate allowed by the Internal Revenue
Service because it's flexible. It

1175
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:41,159
changes.
>> Yeah.

1176
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,159
» 56 men.

1177
01:30:56,213 --> 01:30:58,233
[snorts]

1178
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:04,960
» Okay. I added it.
>> All right. I didn't feel like fighting

1179
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,920
with you about that.
>> All right.

1180
01:31:07,347 --> 01:31:09,679
[laughter]
>> She's picking her battle.

1181
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,679
» Yes.
>> Yeah.

1182
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:17,480
» All right.

1183
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:33,600
So, let me just add it's 10 minutes of
8. How long do we want to go?

1184
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:37,480
I was suggesting was going to suggest
two hours at the beginning.

1185
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,840
What do we just
>> I don't think you're going to get

1186
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,840
through the whole thing tonight
regardless.

1187
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:58,199
» So 8:00 to quit for everybody. All
right. So conditions of employment in

1188
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:58,199
the ethical standards

1189
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:05,320
32 employee conduct and public relations

1190
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:11,080
33 confidentiality

1191
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:16,920
34
attendance.

1192
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:27,880
Oh, whoops. Sorry. Hold on.
>> Y

1193
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,880
» that's all right.

1194
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,400
» Yes. Okay.

1195
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:45,280
» So, where were you? Sorry.
>> I I'm at 3.8 is where I have my next

1196
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:50,080
question.
>> Okay.

1197
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:53,760
So the only I guess the only item when I
was looking at ethical standards and

1198
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:58,000
trying to to put that with our code of
ethics

1199
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:01,280
» and maybe that's where we add that
>> that in

1200
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:04,280
» that in for elected officials.
>> Yep.

1201
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:13,280
All right.
So 35 [clears throat] violence free

1202
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:19,040
workplace
attendance

1203
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:25,554
34 is attendance 35 violence free
workplace

1204
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:29,840
3.6 conflict of interest
[snorts] 3.7

1205
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:34,800
seniority
3.8 eight outside or non duty

1206
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:43,719
employment.
>> I had a question on that one.

1207
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:43,719
» I just put is this legal? It

1208
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:54,480
it felt like
we were saying we have to know about

1209
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:59,400
every part-time position anyone has.
I don't think that's really what it

1210
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,400
means to say.

1211
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:13,199
Great. So, I um I'll use the public
works department. Um, one of them is

1212
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:19,040
working
part-time for another town

1213
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:21,679
and it's a snow day.
>> Mhm.

1214
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:28,080
» And they're supposed to be called in,
but now they're working somewhere else

1215
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:34,840
or they're working for a private plow
contractor

1216
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:34,840
who they can't get here on time.

1217
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:42,719
is that
that's affecting our operation

1218
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:46,760
because they're working a job that
conflicts with their current job.

1219
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:57,760
So, that one to me is pretty cut and
dry. Where I start to get, you know, the

1220
01:34:54,719 --> 01:35:05,199
way I'm reading it is where I start to
get kind of questionable is like, okay,

1221
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:11,600
let's take that
person. It says may subject the town to

1222
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:14,560
public criticism or embarrassment.
So

1223
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:18,270
what if they work at the local strip
club?

1224
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,270
» I was just going to say that. [laughter]

1225
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:25,080
» Is that what that's what is that talking
about? [laughter]

1226
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:25,080
Where is that?

1227
01:35:26,075 --> 01:35:28,095
[laughter]

1228
01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:36,239
[laughter]
>> It says employers must inform their

1229
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:42,639
department superi supervisor of their
outside employment. I mean, you know,

1230
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:45,840
» somebody in the town office who works as
waitress on the weekend, right?

1231
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,040
» Why do they need to tell you that? I
mean,

1232
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:52,239
» I I just feel like
>> I understand. I think what you're

1233
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:57,600
talking about is what we're trying to
get to here, but we've made it so

1234
01:35:55,440 --> 01:36:00,920
generic.
I don't know.

1235
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:10,719
And who's to say it does or doesn't
embarrass the town?

1236
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:15,440
» Well, again, though, but what if
using your example,

1237
01:36:13,236 --> 01:36:19,679
[laughter] one of the front office staff
is working in that club we talked about.

1238
01:36:18,476 --> 01:36:22,800
[laughter]
Is that an issue?

1239
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:25,840
» As long as they're not doing it during
work hours, [laughter]

1240
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:28,320
I don't know.
>> Well, that's again, I mean, do you have

1241
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:32,480
the right to tell people what they can
and can't do during their time off if

1242
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:34,800
it's not infringing upon the work hours?
>> Right.

1243
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:39,280
» I don't know. That's a good question
whether that's even legal. You're right.

1244
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:44,239
» I I mean,
>> we should get an answer

1245
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:48,480
on that.
I think,

1246
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:52,800
you know, definitely like for example,
if you know, say we had another

1247
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:56,639
situation like in Lewon with the
shooting, you know, we want to know that

1248
01:36:54,880 --> 01:37:01,119
we have officers who would be available
to come in and make this their priority.

1249
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:06,639
I I totally get that
>> and maybe that does need to be here

1250
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:11,119
somehow, but
there's other things and maybe it

1251
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:17,040
references like, I don't know, on call
or I don't know. I I just feel like some

1252
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:20,440
of what's there maybe
is overstepping.

1253
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:28,400
» Yeah. I mean, if Raquel can reach out to
>> Yeah, I've got it written down to see

1254
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:32,480
I'll get a hold of MMA
>> and [snorts] see what their thought is,

1255
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,320
» but I was
>> And maybe you should clarify. We don't

1256
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,639
have anything. [laughter]
>> There are

1257
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,639
» We don't know that yet.
>> There are a lot of people that have

1258
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:44,400
second jobs.
>> Absolutely. Exactly. And I don't think

1259
01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:47,920
that they should have to justify, you
know, working as a waitress or, you

1260
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:51,520
know, doing any of those things.
>> As long as there's an impede there,

1261
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:56,440
» right? As long as they can show up here
when their hours are supposed to be.

1262
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:56,440
Yeah.

1263
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:07,040
» Um,
>> go.

1264
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:10,880
» My next one was going to be in 310.
>> Okay.

1265
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:15,360
Go ahead.
So employees of the town of Sabatis may

1266
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:19,600
seek election to any office in town
government. However, such employees

1267
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:24,080
shall be placed on an unpaid leave of
absence from the date of candidacy for

1268
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:28,320
such a position when nomination papers
are taken out for a position until the

1269
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:31,639
completion of the election process for
said employee.

1270
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:40,560
I don't think we're doing that.
That is well when you started reading

1271
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:45,199
that I was thinking of bigger than just
the town but as you went on it's just I

1272
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:47,199
believe it's just town a town position
right

1273
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:51,440
» it says if the employee is elected to a
town position then the employee will be

1274
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:55,480
terminated once the officially elected
>> correct paid employee

1275
01:38:55,678 --> 01:38:59,679
[clears throat]
so to me that would be if somebody was

1276
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:02,400
run
>> the select board

1277
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:06,560
» select board yeah
>> so let's say a Austin yeah No, we didn't

1278
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:11,440
do that.
>> Select board budget committee.

1279
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:15,719
» It's It doesn't
>> specified for just one, right?

1280
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,960
» Charter.
>> I was going to say, didn't something

1281
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:21,960
happen in the charter with that?
>> Yeah.

1282
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,920
» So, are you telling me that we don't
need to do anything with that because

1283
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:31,520
it's being accountable?
>> I think so. Yes.

1284
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:35,880
» Yes. It is.
>> I'll put a question by that one.

1285
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,880
Charter.

1286
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:41,400
All right. 311 discipline.

1287
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:49,840
312 grievances.
Um, so I have a problem. Well, I don't

1288
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:54,320
necessarily have a problem with it, but
312 we're not following. And I'm not

1289
01:39:52,719 --> 01:40:00,719
sure the way that we're handling
grievances if it's feasible to expect us

1290
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:05,760
to be able to hit this. So if you think
about the most recent grievance that we

1291
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:09,679
have within five working days of the
event or the employee having knowledge

1292
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:14,000
of the event, they shall notify us
within 10 working days of receiving the

1293
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:19,760
notice. The supervisor shall respond in
writing with a determination.

1294
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:23,679
» The determination would be the issue.
You can you can acknowledge that within

1295
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:28,159
10 days. That's not a problem. But you
might not have the determination within

1296
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:31,119
10 days. I don't see how you could if
you think about

1297
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,920
» right it depends on how in-depth it is.
>> Yeah.

1298
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:38,239
» Yeah.
>> So I question whether it

1299
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:42,600
» I understand. I think it's it should be
something about in a timely fashion.

1300
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:51,760
» But if you read on to the to the next
unresolved

1301
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:54,960
» so the the next determination is
um we're moving on to the next step.

1302
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:57,199
It's unresolved.
>> Okay. Then you have 10 more days from

1303
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,760
then,
>> right? But it's either resolved or

1304
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:02,960
unresolved. But then it goes, it's
somebody else's responsibility. It drops

1305
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,960
into the town managers.
>> Yeah.

1306
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:12,600
» But at the end, you've only got 30,
let's see,

1307
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:12,600
» 30 days. Yes.

1308
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,760
» And then if it still goes, then it comes
to you guys.

1309
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:22,440
» Yep.
>> Right.

1310
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:22,440
So I I just

1311
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:31,520
» I think they have the 10 days in there
to keep things moving so that it doesn't

1312
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:36,239
become stagnant and just dropped.
>> But I feel like in the examples that

1313
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,520
I've been part of,
>> if they happen the day after we have a

1314
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,880
board meeting,
>> right,

1315
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:49,520
» you're already 10 days into it before we
even have a conversation. Correct. And I

1316
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:54,800
don't think that's a good practice. No.
So my comment is not that this is wrong.

1317
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:58,560
My comment is more about we as a board
maybe need to come up with a different

1318
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:05,280
way of doing this so that it can be
acted on quicker.

1319
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:08,000
» Our our involvement is in number five
only.

1320
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,600
» It should be. It's just the things that
she's been involved in involves the

1321
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:12,639
board.
>> Well, I know it's a little different.

1322
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:17,040
Yeah,
>> but you're right. But I'm not sure that

1323
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:21,920
that's
again that could be addressed above, you

1324
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:27,440
know,
>> we got it, we're looking into it. Um,

1325
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:33,360
we're going to the next step or
something versus

1326
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:38,320
I mean, what I'm thinking of is i.e. I
didn't get paid the right amount. You

1327
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:41,920
know, that's e, you know, okay, well,
looks like I had it. Yeah. Okay, you

1328
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:48,880
didn't. We'll pay you next week. Cut you
a check. Um,

1329
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:55,199
I didn't get my clothing allowance. Um,
yeah, you know, just

1330
01:42:52,239 --> 01:43:02,000
the the everyday little things that
certainly should be able to get passed

1331
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:06,960
in in this short amount of time.
>> Yes. If it wasn't if it didn't involve a

1332
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:11,760
board member, then
these things would be fine. That's when

1333
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:15,000
that's where you're getting hung up.
>> Yep. Yeah.

1334
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:24,679
» Anything else in that section?
>> No.

1335
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:24,679
» Right. Transfers.

1336
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:35,280
314 is town property.
So employees must not directly or

1337
01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:40,000
indirectly use or allow the use of town
property of any kind for other than

1338
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:44,639
official activities. Town telephones,
cell phones, computers, etc. may be used

1339
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:48,800
for personal business only on an
emergency basis. Employees must maintain

1340
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:53,679
all town equipment and immediately
report any damage that occurs to town

1341
01:43:51,760 --> 01:44:02,119
property.
What I've added to the end of that is

1342
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:02,119
um emails are included in that

1343
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:09,400
and should not town email should not be
used for personal business.

1344
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:20,320
And the example I have for you is the
bargaining units

1345
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:24,639
who use their sebatis.org email address.
Um, if they're bargaining for their

1346
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:29,920
union, then they should have a union
email address and not be using the town

1347
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:34,760
email address to do their personal
business. It's not town business then.

1348
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:43,040
» I think it's still town business.
But they were they were acting in a

1349
01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:47,840
different capacity and potentially being
>> I've given a lot. George, do you really

1350
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:54,239
want to fight that battle? [laughter]
>> Whatever. Use your satis.org email

1351
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:58,639
address again. [laughter]
>> Damn it.

1352
01:44:56,639 --> 01:45:03,600
» I just put it out there. And um
>> yeah, I

1353
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:11,000
I guess I feel like in in that
particular example,

1354
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:11,000
I feel like that is town business.

1355
01:45:11,652 --> 01:45:20,167
[snorts] That's my take on it.
I just wanted an opportunity to try to

1356
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:21,520
get you to All right. Bend
[laughter]

1357
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:25,159
» sometimes.
>> Oh, it's after eight.

1358
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,392
» Even count.
>> [laughter]

1359
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:37,239
» We're putting a pin just above that to
bring it up on [laughter] the next

1360
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:37,239
topic. There's more people here.

1361
01:45:37,853 --> 01:45:43,600
[laughter]
>> Are we at a good stop there?

1362
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:49,280
» Yep. All right.
>> Do we want to set another date to

1363
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:52,280
continue the process?
>> Probably.

1364
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:57,040
My
>> Are you so busy that you have to look at

1365
01:45:56,320 --> 01:46:01,840
your calendar?
>> I do, man.

1366
01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:05,199
» I don't have one of those 9 to five
jobs, you know.

1367
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:08,360
» I don't either, unfortunately.
>> Me either.

1368
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:19,520
» So, do we want to shoot for the 22nd,
which is

1369
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:22,800
» an off the 22nd or the 6th? Right.
That would be more.

1370
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:25,040
» But the 20 The 29th is here.
>> Yeah. But the 29th is a regular board

1371
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:31,960
meeting, right?
>> No. Two meetings. We had two meetings

1372
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:31,960
this month. So that's an extra

1373
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:40,119
» Yep.
>> So our next meeting is the 14th. Yeah.

1374
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,119
Next week the 15th.

1375
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:50,320
» 15th. Yes.
Mhm. Okay. So, do we 22nd, 29th?

1376
01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:51,840
» I don't care. I can do either.
>> Okay.

1377
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,600
» Yep.
>> 22nd.

1378
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:57,679
» 22nd.
>> All right. 22nd 6:00 again.

1379
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:00,760
» Mhm.
>> All right.

1380
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:06,960
Thank you very much.
It is now.

1381
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:11,040
» So then we'll be 04.
>> We'll be going back. We'll be continuing

1382
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:13,920
this and then going back over what we
find out on these other ones.

1383
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,520
» Yes.
>> Policy.

1384
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:22,960
Okay. Yeah, this is really the only one
we did a we can say a complete is the

1385
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:25,360
remote participation one.
Okay.

1386
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:29,280
» And as we look through the personnel
policies, I'm assuming that we're going

1387
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:36,880
to review the appendix,
the index as well.

1388
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:41,800
» So the drug policy, drug and alcohol,
driving,

1389
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,800
harassment,

1390
01:47:46,234 --> 01:47:48,254
» [clears throat]

1391
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:56,280
» All right.
Keep going.