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Like to call this meeting of the sachse city council to order. Today is monday, may 15th, 2023.

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the time is 6:30 p.m. Time is 6:30 p.m. We are called to order.

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first item on the agenda is the invocation and pledge of allegiance. Before we do that, I would like to take this moment and reflect on the tragedy that we
Had that visited our city this past.

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two weeks ago, as you may know, we did have two young residents that lived in sachse that
Did perish in this event.

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and there's been a lot of hurt, a lot of heartache.

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and we definitely feel that. And I would just like to say in the in lieu of a prayer tonight, I would like to just
Have us do a moment of silence to remember our young

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victims at this time.

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thank you very much. I would like to also, too, for those who are interested, there will
Be a prayer vigil tomorrow night at the cross church in wylie, 6:30

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to 7:30. The public is invited. So, again, a prayer vigil from 6:30 to 7:30 at the cross church in wylie.

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the public is welcome to attend. With that, I've asked miss buhler to lead us in our pledge of allegiance.

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please rise.

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allegiance],

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thank you, you may be seated. The next item on the agenda is item b special announcements.

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item one, we will recognize our sachse city of sachse 2023 scholarship winner.

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so with that, kylie, if you come down.

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all right. Well, this is kylie. I'm going to try my best here. Uh, kaneshige.

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okay, that's good. That's pretty good for me. So I'm just going to stick with kylie, if that's okay.

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so kylie is our $1,000 city of sachse scholarship winner. Of course, that scholarship is provided by cwd our solid waste provider, and kylie has
Great things ahead of her.

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so I just want to briefly share that with our audience and the council where she's headed
From here.

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so kylie, of course, is a senior at wylie high school, where she has been a proud member
Of the school's band for several years now.

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I can definitely relate to that. So I was in marching band and you all did a great job this year.

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served as drum major and the flute player. And then also you showcase your talents on the field and off the field.

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kylie is also an active student council member serving as a student body historian.

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she has attended wylie isd for the past 13 years and has consistently ranked in the top
Ten of her class.

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congratulations. Her achievements include our academic achievements include being a
National.

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commended scholar and national hispanic scholar, a birmingham scholar.

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and callie has a passion for biomedical engineering, and she will attend cornell
University to pursue this field.

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congratulations again, kylie. That's a great accomplishment.

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[inaudible].

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okay. Next on our agenda, we're going to do a little different.

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we're going to recognize our public works. So you guys come on down.

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oh, not yet. Tell them that we had a change. Come on. Okay.

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so if you don't know. Our. The public works administration has been around since 1960 and has sponsored
National public works week across north america.

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more than 30,000 apwa members in the us and canada use this week to energize and educate
The public on the importance of public works in our daily lives.

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so with that, we want to recognize that via proclamation. Whereas public works professionals focus on infrastructure, facilities and services that
Are of vital importance to sustainable and resilient communities and to the public health,

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high quality of life and well-being of the people of sachse, texas. And. Whereas, these infrastructure, facilities and services could not be provided without
The dedicated efforts of our public works professionals who are engineers, managers and

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employees at all levels of government and the private sector who are responsible for
Rebuilding, improving and protecting our nation's transportation, water supply, water

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treatment and solid waste systems, public buildings and other structures and facilities
Essential for the public.

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whereas it is in the interest of the public civic leaders and children in the city of
Sachse to gain knowledge of and to maintain an ongoing interest in understanding of the

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importance of public works and public works programs in their respective communities.

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whereas the year 2023 marks the 63rd annual anniversary of the national public works week
Sponsored by the american public works association.

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now, therefore, I, jeff bickerstaff, mayor of the city of sachse, do hereby designate the
Week of may 21st through 27th 2023, as national public works week, and urge all of us to

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join with representatives of the american public works association and government
Agencies and activities, events and ceremonies designed to pay tribute to our public works

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professionals, engineers, managers and employees, and to recognize substantial
Contributions they make to protecting our national health, safety and quality of life.

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thank you very much, guys. Appreciate it.

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all right. Now we're going to go back in order here. Our next proclamation is we are going to recognize an outstanding group of young
Athletes.

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so I want to ask the sachse high school bowling club to come on up.

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so I don't know about everybody else on council, but we did not have a bowling team when
I was in high school.

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so y'all did awesome this year making the state tournament.

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and we'd like to take take this moment and recognize the great achievement you
Accomplished.

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and it's just it takes a lot of hard work to get that far.

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I don't have to tell you guys that, but we want to take a moment and recognize your
Outstanding achievement this year.

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so with that, I'm going to read a proclamation.

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whereas bowling teams from across the state of texas competed for top honors in the 2023
Texas high school bowling club state championship team tournament.

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and. Whereas, the sachse high school varsity bowling team honed their skills and earned a
Spot to compete at the state championship.

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and. Whereas, these mustang bowlers compete at the highest level of skill and
Sportsmanship.

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and. Whereas, the city of sachse recognizes the outstanding commitment to excellence of
The students, coaches and leadership of the sachse high school varsity bowling team.

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now, therefore, I, jeff bickerstaff, mayor of the city of saxy, do hereby recognize and
Honor the outstanding achievement of the saxy high school varsity bowling team in advance

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for advancing to the prestigious 2023 texas high school bowling club state championship
Team tournament on this day may 15th, 2023.

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congratulations, guys.

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on a cold.

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okay. Thank you.

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all right. That is not the last young athletes we're going to recognize tonight. So now we're going to recognize the sachse high school boys varsity soccer team.

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so if we can. Oh, yeah.

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hey, bowling guys, come back up here for a second. We forgot one thing.

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we got a present for you. Very cool.

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we haven't always had these at the meetings, so we sometimes we forget.

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so we're going to take another picture. [inaudible]

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congratulations again. Thank you.

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luckily, we did not forget the sign. We're going to have the next sign with us up here to begin with, you guys.

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[inaudible]

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. I want to come this line up behind here. Yeah

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pretend like you love each other.

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okay. All right, got to love each other a little bit more than that.

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okay, we're good. We'll figure that out for the picture. Okay. So we just got to recognize in the bowling team, but we did definitely did not want
To leave out the boys soccer team.

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these guys, if you follow them this year, they just had an amazing season.

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amazing to get. First of all, to get that far is just incredibly special and to compete the way y'all did
Even in the state semifinal game against a team I believe went on

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to win the whole thing. It just it was amazing.

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and, you know, as you know, if you've done any kind of activity, what have you, that
Doesn't happen by magic.

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you know, there's a lot of hard work involved. And, you know, when their season first started, that first day they showed up, they
Probably didn't want to do a lot of things.

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and I'm pretty sure about that one. But as you can see, hard work pays off.

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and I promise you, as a wise man told me one time, there's no substitute for hard work, no
Substitute.

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so with that, we want to recognize this outstanding group of young young athletes,
Whereas the soccer teams from across the state of texas compete for top

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honors in the state championships each year. And. Whereas, the sachse high school boys soccer team competed for the first time at the
Soccer semifinals for the state championships in georgetown.

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and. Whereas, the mustangs had an incredible season with 21 wins and several players
Earning all-state recognition.

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and. Whereas, the city of sachse recognizes the outstanding commitment to excellence of
The students, coaches and leadership of the sachse high school boys soccer team.

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now, therefore, I, jeff bickerstaff, mayor of the city of saxony, do hereby recognize and
Honor the outstanding achievements of the sachse high school boys soccer team for

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advancing to the prestigious 2020 36a boys soccer state championships in texas this day,
May 15th, 2023.

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congratulations, guys.

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and we are going to take their picture with the sign first this time. All right. Whoever wants to hold it, let the middle guy.

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and so if I can squeeze in a little tighter, I'm going to have to.

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here we go. Get in. Jaden. Hey, nick.

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yeah, we got to. There you go.

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now it's not blocked the sun and.

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what? A couple more.

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right. Get back. Right on.

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thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'll say a couple things.

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I really wasn't prepared to say anything, but I think it's worth talking a little bit
About these guys.

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you know, we discussed all year long about peaking at the right time.

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um, and, and they had to go through a lot of adversity and some failures, you know, to
Really reach their full potential.

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and I think that's what I'm most proud of about this group is that, you know, some of the
Losses that happened during our district season and some of the setbacks and even even

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some of the frustrations that were going on throughout playoffs. I mean, every game we played in, it seemed like was was really tight.

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it was one goal game. We had like I think 3 or 4 out of our six postseason games were one nothing games, you
Know, our defense

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had a stretch of like 625 minutes and shut out soccer.

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our goalkeeper got 12 clean sheets. So there were a lot of things that didn't really come easy for us.

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and, you know, if the guys, you know, that weren't starting, you know, as soon as they
Got the opportunity, they jumped in.

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they more than anything, I think those guys were like kind of a some positivity around
The team, even if they weren't necessarily the star player or

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whatever. So I think the best part about this team is that nobody really cared about who
Got the credit.

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and like I said, you know, we overcame a lot of adversity and and and a lot of challenges
And we really peaked at the right time and,

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you know, made it to our full potential. So I'm really proud of these guys.

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this was my first year here at at sachse. And everybody's telling me I've set quite a bar, you know, and I think we have a lot of
Things to look forward to.

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but this group, especially will be difficult to follow in their footsteps, and I'm very
Proud of them for that.

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so. You are dismissed.

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the bowling team is free to go to if you want.[inaudible]

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we do have one more proclamation. We're going to see if that person is available.

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can I try and slide it?

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look, it's the real thing, okay?

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yes. Actually, hang around for just a second.

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come on down, mr. Murray.

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you don't get to talk, but come on down now. Mr. Murray didn't know we were doing this.

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that's why he was a little surprised. Sir, come on.

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so this is my good friend, mr. Murray. And, you know, a little birdie told us that you've got secondary teacher of the
Year.

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I did, sir. For the whole district? Yes, sir. I still don't know how that happened, but we're here to celebrate nonetheless.

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but in all seriousness, no, mr. Murray. Quite a few years now. And it's not a stretch to say that he has helped me feel my way through the district,
Especially when it comes to extracurricular activities, namely

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the sachse high school mustang band. And he has always been there. And he's let me do some fun stuff with that.

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and, you know, mr. Murray, you know, you're just as much a part of sachse as anybody that teaches in our
District.

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and you teach right here at sachse high school. And so we want to take a moment and honor the fact that you were teacher of the year.

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and with that, we're going to I'm going to read a proclamation and give you a special
Gift.

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so I might let you say something.

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whereas the independent school district serves the communities of garland, rowlett,
Sachse and sachse with nearly 3500 teachers and more than 52,000 students.

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and. Whereas, educators play a critical role in the education and well-being and future
Success of our children, often spending countless hours on this task.

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and. Whereas, the students of today will become the business and community leaders of
Tomorrow, so their growth and formation are of primary importance for the community and

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the economy. And. Whereas, 60 high school freshman english teacher john murray was named a 2023 secondary
Teacher of the year in garland isd, having shown incredible dedication and passion for

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student success. And. Whereas, the city of sachse is grateful for mr. Murray and all he does for the students of sachse and garland isd.

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now, therefore, I, jeff bickerstaff, mayor of the city of sachse, do hereby recognize john
Murray for his significant contributions to the students, families and the community, and

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for being named 2023 secondary teacher of the year in garland isd on this 15th day of may
2023.

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congratulations, sir. Thank you, sir.

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oh, wait, hold on.

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so we got another surprise. You got another surprise for you. So you cannot put this on your street.

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just telling you, you put it anywhere but there. But to honor and to not memorialize, that's the wrong word to put etched in stone, if you
Will.

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the teacher of the year. So we got fantastic. John murray 2023 teacher.

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oh, my goodness. Thank you.

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do I get to keep this? You do get to keep.

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I don't know if he'll let you hang it up in school, but that's another story you want to
Say?

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no, sir. Well, 30s tops.

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first off, mayor. Council. Mr. Creel. Thank you, guys.

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I literally left my house about 11 minutes ago. And what I hope this is just this is stunning.

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I'm proud to be a mustang. This is my passion.

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I retired from the military and this is the only job I would come out of retirement for.

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and I will continue teaching at sachse as long as they have me. I love what I do. I love my students.

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I love my staff. I love my administration. We do good things here. We  really do good things both for our community, both for our families as well.

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mr. Creel knows if he calls, put the bat signal up, I'm going to be here.

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so thank you guys for this. I'll accept this. On behalf of the great staff of sachse high school teachers, and we
Make magic happen every day.

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thank you for letting us do what we do. Thank you. He won't say it.

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but one last thing I'll say is, if you look at that proclamation really closely,
Dedication to the students are second to none.

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and so, again, we thank you, mr. Mayor. And that was a little more than 30s. But that's okay.

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not get them together.

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all right. So I think it's fair to say that especially the last two meetings, we love
Celebrating our student athletes and our young people.

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and I think it's very cool that we can honor those young women, young men that are
Accomplishing great things.

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so, again, congratulations to everybody. Okay. With that, we'll go on to item b6 mayor and council announcements regarding special
Events, current activities and local achievements.

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anyone on council would like to address council or the audience at this time.

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mr. President? Brick yes. Last time we're up here, I gave basically a notice that we were going to have an animal
Shelter get together for

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vaccination of kitty cats and puppy dogs. We had over 100 plus animals about two weeks ago that received an array of vaccinations.

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that's at least 100 plus people. But some had multiple pets, so that's really good.

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local starbucks arrived and gave out some donations to the folks, and it was a really
Successful event.

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there's not we don't have a huge staff there. So the people that are there really rely on the volunteers.

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so the volunteers and the animal shelter staff really just knocked it out of the park.

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so colin king might come up here in a little bit, say a little something about it.

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but just wanted to just say hats off to the staff there for pulling off a great event.

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thank you. Mayor pro tem franks. Yes, sir. We had the second pickleball tournament.

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no, I did not play. Nobody wanted to play with me because I'm so terrible. I thought you were defending champion.

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no, I wasn't the defending or the current.

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it was held last saturday, the sixth. We had 32 participants.

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we had men's doubles, women's doubles and mixed doubles. And we had a over 55, I think, and younger 55.

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I did not play in either. Everybody got a t shirt and snacks, waters, all that kind of good stuff.

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but the winning teams have earned bragging rights to all the folks that come up there on,
I would say, at least five days a week.

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there's guys up there playing and they all beat me.

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they obviously got a medal and trophies, but the next tournament, I'm waiting to hear a
Date and time, but we haven't had that yet.

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the winning teams were quack attack, fire and fitness or fire and fitness.

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excuse me? The bolivars, which is someone's last name. Kitchen chickens, which is a pickleball reference and hit me with your best shot.

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so there's always some interesting shirts that come out of this. Everybody gets their little team shirts made to the next event that we have coming up.

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if the mayor doesn't speak, is the rescheduled grand opening of the jc sachse park, which
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we're just going to have a official grand opening. So this can be june 3rd at 11 a.m.

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again, pending weather. So hope to see you all there. Thank you, mr. Franks. Mr.

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milsap. For the dallas public library.

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the summer reading kick off will start june the 3rd, 10:00. That's three saturdays from now.

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and last year I think they had the best enrollment participation they've had in on
Record.

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and we're expecting the same thing this year. Thank you, miss millsap. Any other council members like to address the audience or the
Council at this time?

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miss nash. I don't have any announcements tonight.

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I should ask you that before. That's okay. I have just a couple. Thankfully, fellow council members got rid of some of them.

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the two that are we'd like to mention the cwg extreme green and drug takeback event will
Be this saturday, may 20th, from 8 a.m.

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to 1 p.m. In the city hall parking lot. Residents may drop off trash, brush and appliances at the event.

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cwg will be collecting electronic and hazardous waste as well as shredding documents.

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this event is for sachse residents only and you will be asked to show proof of residency.

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so again, that's this saturday, may 20th, 8 to 1 p.m. City hall parking lot.

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and then we also have our annual fire station open house. Both fire stations, one and two will be open from 10 a.m.

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to 2 p.m. On saturday, may 27th. So a week from this saturday.

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there will be fun activities, station tours and visits with sparky. As I've always said, you don't want to miss sparky.

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most importantly, please consider donating blood to carter bloodcare at the event.

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there is a critical need for type o negative and an urgent need for a negative b negative
And platelets.

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every donation can save up to three lives. Sign up on the city's website and for more information.

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again, that's open house for both fire station one and two. Saturday, may 27th, 10 a.m.

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to 2 p.m.. All right. That concludes our announcements.

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next item on the agenda is public comment. The public is invited to address the council regarding any topic not already on the
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the time limit is three minutes per speaker. The public comment card should be presented to the city secretary prior to the meeting.

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according to the texas open meetings act, council is prohibited from discussing any item
Not posted on the agenda, but will take comments under advisement.

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I did have one card submitted previously that was travis yates.

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I do not see him in the audience. Okay. I did not receive any other cards.

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anyone else like to address the council at this time on an item, not on the agenda?

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yes, sir. Colin king 7315 high point here in sachse

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wasn't originally going to talk, but councilman furstenberg gave me the opportunity to or
Encourage me to have the opportunity to come up and talk about the shelter.

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we did have an excellent shot clinic. I guess it was what, two, two weeks ago?

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I had a great turnout, had great volunteers down there in in starbucks, was was wonderful
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that morning. What I really like to talk about briefly is, is our inventory down there?

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well, not inventory, but our residents down there. We are down to just a couple of big dogs.

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we are running a special on big dogs and hope that somebody can come down and find one of
Our nice, playful, lovable big dogs, momo and chloe find them a good

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home. What we really would like some help with is kittens.

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now, normally when kittens come in, they go out the next day. Kittens are very popular.

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last time I was down there was about what to know yesterday and we still had ten kittens.

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so anybody out there or here that is looking for a pet?

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we've got a great group of kittens down there. We are also running specials on kittens as well.

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so with that, I thank you very much. Thank you, mr. King.

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anyone else like to address the council at this time for an item not on the agenda.

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come on down. Matthew.

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matthew. Hobo. 5511. Oak ridge circle. Top of the hill.

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um. I have to say, one of the silliest things that I have heard here lately was that this
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body. Spent $11,477.

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to travel hundreds of miles to go down to austin and talk about local items.

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we have to spend $12,000 because I'm sure that amount does not include labor rates.

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man hours. And I'm highly confident everybody didn't take vacation.

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and 500 miles to talk about local issues.

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I'm shocked that we don't have phones at city hall where we could just pick up the phone
And talk to our local

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representatives. We had a council meeting about it. Was there not any coordination between what you wanted to talk about and the local
Representatives?

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just seems like $12,000 and vicksburg still floods.

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I saw a picture of our blue water tower the other day, I think it was for the soccer
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and it was the prettiest south garland blue, I think I've ever seen.

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but for a quarter of $1 million of utility funds, I guess that's all you get.

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and vicksburg still floods. I think there needs to be a reexamination of where our money goes because I've said many
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receive for the taxes I pay are nowhere proportionally.

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correct. And it seems like $600,000 for a coffee shop.

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not a problem. $100,000 for a project firm.

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not a problem. But vicksburg still floods.

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our roads are still crap. And you all go to austin for a week.

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it just seems like priorities are off somewhere. Thank you so much. Anyone else like to address the council at this time on an item?

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not on the agenda. Seeing none. We'll move on. Next item on the agenda is consent agenda.

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all items listed on the consent agenda will be considered by the city council and will be
Enacted by one motion.

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there will be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member or a member
Of the public. So request item d one approved the may 1st 2023 meeting minutes item to consider
Authorizing the city manager to execute a lease agreement with the federal aviation

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administration for space for an antenna and equipment located at fifth street and sachse
Road.

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we do have a request from residents to remove item d one, so that will be removed. That leaves item d two motions.

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questions. Comments from the council.

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mr. President. Brick. Like a motion to approve item d two as presented.

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motion by mr. Prestonsburg to approve item d two as presented. Do I have a second, ms. Howarth?

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second. Second by ms. Howarth any further discussion?

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hearing none. Please cast your ballot.

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motion carries unanimously. Okay, so we do have the request to remove item d one, so we will hear that now.

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item d one approve the may 1st 2023 meeting minutes do have request by marty hobolt to
Remove this item for discussion.

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mr. Holbrook. Matthew holbrook

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5511. Oak ridge circle, sachse, texas. Top of the hill. My favorite subject.

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you are getting a little better. I think you covered vicksburg a little fairer than what I was expecting.

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but when you said the city council was going to give me $312,000, I stood up here and
Said it was in the video because councilman

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franks told me that if I wanted to know what was actually said, I got to watch the video.

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and I did. And the video says, y'all gave me $312,000.

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and I said, what's my recourse? Well, according to the meeting minutes, you ain't doing a damn thing.

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all you got to do is put in a little note that says the video said one thing, it was
Misspoken and this is a correction, but you just voted to do nothing.

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now, franks and mr. Prestonsburg, they took decisive action last time and they started a conversation and
They said what was going to be done.

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and it was supposed to get fixed, but sad to say, it didn't.

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just curious of what the plan is now and when you all get your act straight.

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maybe I can quit showing up every monday. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Hobo. Mayor pro tem frank's.

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yeah. Do we change it in the meeting agenda?

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would. Yes, councilman you asked me to do that and we did not get it.

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thank you. We did not get it handled. And we will. Thank you.

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any further discussion. If not, I'd entertain a motion.

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ms. Hayworth. Oh, hold on.

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got it. Make a motion. Be one as presented.

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have a motion by ms. Howarth to approve item d one as presented. Do I have a second, mr. Lindsay? Second.

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by mr. Lindsay. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Please cast your ballot.

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motion carries your next. Next item on the agenda is item e. Regular agenda items.

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item e one considering an ordinance canvasing and returns and declaring the results of
The general election held on saturday, may 6th, 2023, for the purpose of electing a

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council member place three and a council member place four. Miss granger.

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yes. Mayor and council. We had an election on may 6th to determine council member place three and council member
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four council member place three we had frank, millsap was unopposed. He had 1110 votes.

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therefore, is the council member in place for council member place?

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four richard chandler had 401 votes. Chance lindsey had 824 votes.

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therefore, mr. Lindsey did win that election.

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thank you, miss granger. Questions or comments from the council?

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questions or comments from the public. Seeing none. I'll entertain discussion or motions.

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mayor pro tem franks make a motion to approve item e one as presented.

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have a motion to approve item e one as presented. Do I have a second? Ms.

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howarth. Second. Second by ms. Howarth. Any further discussion?

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hearing none. Please catch it.

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motion carries unanimously. We'll take this opportunity to say congratulations, mr. Millsap. Congratulations, mr.

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lindsay, and look forward to serving with you at least two more years, maybe three.

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depends. But again, congratulations, both of you. Next item on the agenda is item e 2 discuss and provide direction on the establishment of
A rental inspection program.

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ms. Nash. The mayor and council.

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lauren rose, assistant city manager, is here to give you all an overview of the program
That you all talked about several meetings ago.

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and of course, we also have ray mendez here, who is our neighborhood services manager,
Who understands more of the actual details on day to day on the ground of all

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those neighborhood services issues. But lauren will give you a little longer than normal presentation just to take a little
Walk down memory lane on what we've talked about on this issue since we've been talking

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about it for several years and then certainly allow for plenty of time to answer any
Questions that you all may have.

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thank you, miss nash. Hello, miss rose. Good evening, mayor and council. Lauren rose. I apologize.

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I had bad timing with a cold, so bear with me tonight.

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just keep it to yourself. Yeah, I'll stay far away. All right. So just a quick overview of what we'll chat about tonight.

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we'll revisit the comprehensive plan. We'll talk about our prior discussions, where we'll recap the options that were
Discussed.

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we'll provide some information about details that are currently collected.

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and then we'll go over what some of our comparator cities do and then we'll talk about
Options.

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that's what we'll spend the bulk of tonight's conversation discussing, and then we'll go
Over next steps.

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so as it's mentioned in the comprehensive plan, this is contemplated within that document
That was established in 2017 as an item that the city of sachse could look to doing in the

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future. We discussed how these programs can take various forms and do so in a variety of
The communities in north texas,

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depending on the size of the problem, the specific need they're trying to address and
Really the preferences of the community.

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they can be registration only programs or they can be a combination of registration and
Inspections.

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they can involve some kind of a fee if that's the desire of the council, and they can
Require a basic inspection to ensure that the property is compliant with minimum property

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standards. We also discussed that the timing of implementing a program of this type would
Could be beneficial based on

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the city of sachse development cycle and the age of our neighborhoods.

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so there is some general interest among the council in looking into more details about a
Program like this.

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we were asked to return with more information about options and potential structures
Should we wish to pursue a program like this in our future.

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I did also want to reference some of the collection of information that we do currently
Gather in utility billing, and then we'll go over the three

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options available for your consideration tonight, which is a registration only program, a
Registration and combination inspection program, and take no action regarding

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rental properties. So this is some information that's currently collected by utility billing.

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this is a copy of the application that is used when an individual wants to establish
Water service with the city of sachse.

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you can see where that star is located, that on this document we ask for the owner and
Landlord name.

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in addition to this, if it is a rental property and they're trying to establish service,
We do ask for the first and last page of the lease.

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and the reason we do that is because we simply want to establish that this transaction is
Approved.

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this is a legal situation and that the person who's trying to occupy the property and
Turn on water in their name is legitimate in doing so.

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that's really the only purpose of gathering that information. And it is not something that we currently share back and forth between utility billing and
Neighborhood services, because it doesn't always relay the

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contact information of the property owner, if that makes sense.

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so look at what our comparator cities do in terms of providing rental registration
Programs.

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you can see here there's a 50/50 split. Some programs, some cities do not have any programs established, while others and you
Could probably categorize them as older, more mature neighborhoods do

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have. These types of programs established, and they charge a variety of fees for these
Services.

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and again, I think that's really dependent upon the preferences of that particular city.

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okay. Option one is the registration only program.

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and this program would require any non resident owner who intends to lease or rent a
Single family residence to register that residence with the city of sachse.

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if they have more than one location, we'd ask that they provide a registration for each
Location of the property that they have, and each registration would provide

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information about the owners, the management company, if those exist, and information
Pertaining to the residents occupying or who will occupy the

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property. So does our registration only program.

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this talks a little bit about the mechanics that could be in place. We've modeled this after what we've seen in other cities where you have kind of a
Standard deadline for submitting registrations for that year or you've grandfathered them

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in as they come online. And then just for the sake of clarity and ease of remembrance, all registrations would
Expire on december 31st of the current year and then would be

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due by january 30th of the following year. So that gives folks an opportunity to kind of reassess.

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let us know if any information has changed and they're not having to keep up with
Multiple deadlines.

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option two is a registration and inspection program. The same process that was aforementioned would be combined with an inspection associated
With the property as a condition to the registration of the

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property. The property owner would consent and permit the city to conduct an inspection
To ensure that minimum property standards are met and the property owner would request the

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inspection prior to the tenant taking occupancy of the property.

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and then we would require those inspections. Any time the property changes in tenancy.

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again, we're not trying to be cumbersome there, but it is difficult. It can be difficult to conduct an inspection when a resident is already residing at the
Property and this is just kind of a cleaner way to make sure that we're

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checking on things before someone's occupied occupying the space. Excuse me. So this kind of goes over a basic outline of what the inspections would
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these would be minimally intrusive. That was important based on the feedback we received at the last meeting.

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and it again, would really focus on life safety issues. So you can see here you've got interior check for working smoke alarms.

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check that the windows and doors open and shut. Check the outlets for electrical issues, check plumbing fixtures and check air
Conditioning to make sure that they're all in working condition on the exterior, we would

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check the premises to ensure that it's obviously free of any visible code violations.

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we would look at the roof, the soffits, the fascia and gutter for signs of deterioration,
And we'd look at accessory structures for rotted wood siding and paint, and

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we'd check the exterior fencing for signs of deterioration. If we were to move forward with an inspection program like this, staff would highly
Recommend publishing the inspection checklist on the city's website so

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that property owners know and tenants know what could be what would be inspected if they
Were to participate with a rental program in the city of

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sachse. We would not want there to be any surprises about what's included, and we'd want
It to be a very open and transparent process.

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an option three take no action. Counsel may wish to take no action on this matter.

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as a reminder, this was a concept that was contemplated in the 2017 comprehensive plan.

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obviously, these programs are not required. We could wait until we start to see more issues with rental properties and then kind of
Assess at that point and decide to move forward with creating a formal program.

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and with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions that you all might have.

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sorry about that, miss ross. That's okay. So, questions or comments from the council.

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mr. Lindsay. Hi, lourdes. Thanks for the presentation.

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first question was, how come the presentation wasn't included in the agenda packet?

359
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:42,730
we were still formalizing details of the presentation and we were gathering information.

360
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,500
so I apologize for that. Okay. Interior inspection.

361
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:56,050
garland tried that. 2005. There was a federal court case said that you can't do it, you can't mandate it.

362
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:02,320
it seems like they found some way to kind of skirt around it, offering the owners to get
Certified.

363
00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:09,630
and so but it seems like the premise there is, is that.

364
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:17,610
it could lead us into some kind of legal action. So is this something that's going to be mandated that we have to do an internal
Inspection of the house?

365
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:25,140
the way that the program is structured right now is based on information we've gathered
From other cities who've gone down this path before.

366
00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:32,070
we would have the property owner offer consent for the inspection, but certainly that's
Their prerogative as a property owner to deny access to that.

367
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:44,100
so that would be an option. We would strongly encourage it. But that's a property right that we cannot infringe upon if we're denied.

368
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:48,600
so okay, so it's it can't really be mandated and we have it in our ordinance and it
Basically there's language that says should versus must something to

369
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:58,470
that effect. Yes, correct.

370
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:05,460
see, the other thing, did we identify how many rental homes that we currently have?

371
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:10,620
our original estimates, I believe, back in the prior presentation were about 10% of our
Residences are expected to be rental properties.

372
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:22,290
however, no formal database exists. So that's an extrapolation based off anecdotal data on utility billing where that's
Consistently provided.

373
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:28,920
and then basically what we can anticipate from dcad and.

374
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:36,660
okay. Yeah, I did go through some of the numbers myself. And you're pretty. I came out pretty close to where you're at.

375
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:40,080
I say that we have 8470 single family residences.

376
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:45,330
and as of right now, best I can tell is 680 or so are rentals.

377
00:49:50,550 --> 00:49:50,550
and that's based on whether somebody has a homestead exemption and then also which
Surprisingly in the data and this is a soft topic, so I'll keep it quick so the

378
00:50:00,270 --> 00:50:02,100
attorney doesn't say anything there. But there's 739 people in sachse that look like they could have a homestead exemption
That are paying way too much tax right now.

379
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:08,940
definitely is off topic, but in that data, it helps to get to if you figure out how many
People who don't have a homestead exemption, you can get a pretty good idea of who

380
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:20,730
is most likely renting out their house. Now, I still got concerns with how do you identify like family members or some, you know,
The parents move away, they leave the kids, the house, you know, things like that on

381
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:30,690
there. So how would we even go about writing somebody a citation, for example, for not
Following the ordinance of registering a rental property?

382
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:40,560
you know, that's writing a citation is always the last resort for us.

383
00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:45,060
I think we have established a rapport with our residents of being willing to work with
Them.

384
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:50,550
if there's a question about the legitimacy of their tenancy, I think we would always
Pursue that avenue before we go to writing somebody a ticket.

385
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:58,680
certainly, if it's the case that it's a family member that's allowing them to stay at the
Home, we would likely seek out some kind of alternative documentation to try to solidify

386
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:08,460
that appropriate relationship, but certainly not writing tickets as a form of punishment.

387
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:16,530
yeah, just I mean, to me, whenever I went into this and I heard about an inspection
Program, I think of a business, you've essentially taken your home, you've made a business

388
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:24,870
out of it, or you bought a piece of property and sell essentially commercially, yes, it's
Still residential, but in our commercial properties we want to always make sure that

389
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:33,150
things function correctly, that people have exits and all the other codes are met.

390
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:37,780
I'm just I still just not seeing what value this brings.

391
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:41,800
if there's nothing that we can do to truly mandate it and to hold people accountable for
It.

392
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,340
I'm kind of nervous now. On after seeing some of the court filings and other movements throughout the country of
Infringing on, you know, improper search of

393
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,360
a person's residence, I think that gets a little sticky. So that removes it down to do we just have an inspection for exterior?

394
00:52:07,090 --> 00:52:07,090
so exterior wise, you know, I think we should be going and doing upholding every single
Home that we have in sachse.

395
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:14,710
and I would rather see any effort, any money, any extra staff dedicated just to doing
Code enforcement.

396
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:21,670
the other thing too, that I noticed, I know there's always a lot of questions around,
Like housing vouchers and section eight.

397
00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:27,730
everything that I could tell around those programs is that they do already require an
Inspection.

398
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:32,680
and so any of our homes that may qualify underneath that particular program are getting
Inspected through there, too.

399
00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:42,100
from what I could tell. Do you know anything about the. Yeah, that's an entirely separate process from what would be proposed here.

400
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:46,480
yeah. So, you know, kind of the people that I guess were most vulnerable.

401
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:53,440
I think if anybody is coming through with housing vouchers and again, that's housing
Vouchers aren't something that the city has any jurisdiction about.

402
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:00,280
it's up to the landlord or the property owner to accept those and they must get already
Inspection programs.

403
00:53:07,210 --> 00:53:07,210
so I think the most vulnerable people may be some of the lower cost properties are, you
Know, going to be covered underneath that.

404
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:15,190
so that's already addressed some of my concerns, just some of the other data that I
Looked at is

405
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,040
382 of those rental properties were built before year 2000, so about about half or so of
It.

406
00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:32,140
and so that looks like, okay, we got a lot of older homes that, you know, may fit the
Criteria for things that we want to do extra enforcement on.

407
00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:44,280
but then I looked at some other statistics that I pulled up as well. And since.

408
00:53:48,510 --> 00:53:51,370
in the last ten. Years. Let's see.

409
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,460
we've had. Change owners last.

410
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:03,500
okay. Yeah. So crazy enough. 680 I came up. We've had a change of ownership where there was an update date and 502 of those.

411
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:08,660
so kind of my logic of looking up that data in that context is that.

412
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:15,840
those people have likely bought those homes at an increased value and rents have
Naturally gone up as well.

413
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:21,600
so I don't think we have too many type of slums inside of sachse.

414
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,170
most of those property values have naturally been driven up by the market. So most of the homes that we have are over $300,000 that are in the rental program and
Only a handful are or less than 300,000.

415
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:43,260
so I think right now we're in the market. These homes are appraised at high values, are going for high values of rent.

416
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,000
people that are paying those amounts of rent, I think are expecting their landlords to be
Accountable to providing the housing necessities that they

417
00:54:57,930 --> 00:55:01,590
need. So at this time, I'm not for doing anything. Thank you, miss ours.

418
00:55:05,310 --> 00:55:05,310
we currently inspect apartment buildings and duplexes.

419
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:09,810
yes. So do you know the reasoning back in the day that we decided to do commercial and
Duplexes but not single family?

420
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:18,460
I wish I had a solid answer for you, but it would purely be speculative at this point.

421
00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:25,030
I could do some research and come back on that. It's interesting that we did one and not and not the other.

422
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:28,390
well, and as this is proposed, depending on the direction of the council tonight, if we
Were to move forward with establishing some kind of a program, our recommendation would be

423
00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:36,850
to amend the current regulations relative to duplexes and multifamily to include single
Family residences, if that's the desire of the council.

424
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,310
okay, so everyone gets treated equally. Correct. Whether you're a single family, multifamily duplex, quad, whatever, everybody is
The same.

425
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:53,800
I find that appealing to just treat everyone equally.

426
00:55:59,740 --> 00:56:02,950
I think of this I'd like more. I like the registration piece.

427
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:04,870
I don't have a problem with the inspection piece, but I know with an increasing amount of
Corporate ownership in housing, single family housing, stock in general in the

428
00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:14,410
country and in this area, that knowing who owns it and who we need to contact when we
Have issues is paramount.

429
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:23,720
I think some of the I'm on the details of the on the inspection side.

430
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,560
I'm a little torn. I just want everyone to have equal opportunity in the city, to have a safe space to live
And not to have tears where you're guaranteed a

431
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:40,430
smoke detector in a duplex, but you're not guaranteed a smoke detector in single family.

432
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:45,230
and if we're going to do one, we should do all or do none rather than pick and choose.

433
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,050
that's my thought. Mr. President? Brick yes.

434
00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:59,300
well, earlier you said you weren't sure. It would just be thinking out loud, I guess, on her answer.

435
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:04,160
but I think the reason why there are different multifamily or single family is
Multifamily.

436
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:08,930
you have multi tenants living on top of each other and not having a smoke detector could
Really throw off the whole balance of a multifamily unit.

437
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,570
so a couple of questions. One. We don't require an I just bought a house, so it's a brand new one.

438
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:29,890
so it didn't have a thank you, but it didn't have a previous owner. So. If there is a previous owner, there is no inspection by the city.

439
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:35,930
right. Okay. So it's not equal in the sense of home ownership versus renting?

440
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:41,360
no, but you have you would have that property inspected by an inspector as part of your
Purchasing process.

441
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:46,100
so a lot of those issues would be addressed through that avenue.

442
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:53,300
and can we back up like a slide or two? It has all the little things that you were suggesting.

443
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,900
uh. Well. In the other direction.

444
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:05,790
maybe it was the other way. Can you go forward a few slides? Sure. The list of things like air conditioner siding stuff.

445
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:14,460
yes. So having rented a home, I find that this a lot of these things would be on me as
The tenant or the renter

446
00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:25,830
to call out. And my my landlord is very willing to help out.

447
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:31,800
I'm not saying all are equal, but if we were to do something like this, I would really
Want it to be focused on safety.

448
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:40,530
smoke alarms, carbon monoxide or I know carbon monoxide is not mandatory, but smoke
Alarms at least.

449
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,870
that's about it really. Because code, I would think I mean, if there's a fence issue, tree shrubs, grass siding,
Fascia, whatever you want to call it,

450
00:58:59,800 --> 00:58:59,800
roof, all that stuff code can see, I would think, or a neighbor with the app, you know,
Can take a picture and be like, hey, my neighbor's not

451
00:59:09,550 --> 00:59:09,550
following suit. So I kind of want to get away from this punch list because that could get
Us to a point where it's taking us two days, three

452
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,530
days, right? If a lot of these are turning over at the same time, is that going to keep a landlord
From leasing this property and in a time frame that's suitable, right.

453
00:59:30,460 --> 00:59:34,090
what that means, I don't know whether it's a day, three days, five days, whatever. Sure. And I can tell you some of these items we included on the list because they are
Common code violations.

454
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:38,920
and if we were to move forward with a program like this, we would want to address
Everything all at once.

455
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:46,630
so it's not like we go through this process. Someone gets inspected and then, oops, your neighbor is complaining about your fence now
And your soffits rotted out and they're complaining about that.

456
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:59,180
we'd rather have it be on a list of things for them to be mindful of. So we're not having to come back over and over to the property.

457
01:00:02,540 --> 01:00:02,540
and I think, too, it's important to note that if we were to move forward with a program
Like this, expediency would be a top priority.

458
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:11,360
we certainly don't want to prevent anybody from moving into a house, nor do we want to
Prevent a landlord from being able to earn income at a property.

459
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:19,250
so I think we're extremely cognizant of that and would be very sensitive to that
Throughout the process.

460
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:27,680
I'm cautious, though, about the, you know, looking at fences and stuff, you know, for a
House to be rented.

461
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:33,650
is it because, you know, you can't rent this because it's three different colors of a
Fence or because one post is bending in versus not?

462
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:40,730
you know what I mean? I think we're here, we're referencing, and we could provide more
Clarity if that would make you feel more comfortable.

463
01:00:47,090 --> 01:00:47,090
we're wanting to make sure that the fence is functional and upright and it's not a
Exposed backyard situation, particularly if there's a

464
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:59,450
pool there required to have a fence there. But we could provide more specificity to that if that would make you more comfortable.

465
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,490
or I could just take your feedback about not feeling comfortable with it in general. Yeah, I'd just be I'd want to focus more on.

466
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:15,800
like 1 or 2 specifics if we were to do this. Have a smoke detector and we can even I don't want to throw more work at the fire
Department.

467
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:21,620
right. Because they got all sorts of stuff. But, hey, a house is turning over.

468
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:24,950
would you mind at the fire department came and looked or helped you inspect your
Whatever.

469
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:32,480
I mean, just totally thinking outside here. But second thing or third thing, I know where I'm at right now.

470
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:37,250
um. Earlier you all said you said it was a 2017 comprehensive plan.

471
01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:43,450
so were there a lot of issues at the time where people were just totally complaining
About, hey, this street's going bad, this street's going bad?

472
01:01:51,790 --> 01:01:51,790
or what? My understanding was that there was a citizen action committee and that there
Were surveys conducted as a result of the comprehensive planning process where they

473
01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:00,970
inquired about conditions and sachse and some of the things that they would like to see
Over time.

474
01:02:07,450 --> 01:02:07,450
my the other understanding I have is that I think there was some recommendation that
Something like this be considered.

475
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:14,200
it is very common as neighborhoods start to mature that you start to see some more rental
Properties, which is not a good or a bad thing, and that this is a tool in

476
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:27,580
the tool kit, if you will, that the city could consider. As we start to age a little bit more.

477
01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:33,840
do we have access to any of that? The survey. Is there anything from that time or.

478
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,860
I believe there's some survey results at the back of the comprehensive. It's on our website. Okay.

479
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,990
not to be too obvious. All right. Maybe something I'd like to look at if you could, I'd be happy to send that to you if
You'd like.

480
01:02:53,610 --> 01:02:53,610
okay. But yeah, I mean, when you came up a couple of weeks ago or months ago, last time,
I was kind of on board with this.

481
01:03:03,210 --> 01:03:05,880
right. But the more I think about it. I just. I look at.

482
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:10,960
the fairness of it. Right. I understand the the idea behind it.

483
01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:16,690
we want safety. We want. Good or fair looking homes or whatnot, but.

484
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:23,020
I just don't know how it equally goes across people if someone should sell their house.

485
01:03:27,830 --> 01:03:27,830
yeah, there's inspection, but if the fence is leaning or there's high grass, the
Inspector could call it out.

486
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,200
but the person could just be like, I don't care. I still want it, right? And then it's on them to get it done or taken care of.

487
01:03:42,130 --> 01:03:42,130
and if code doesn't find it, then they could go 4 or 5 more years without even taking
Care of it.

488
01:03:46,270 --> 01:03:49,870
so anyway, thanks for the presentation. Sure. Mr.

489
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:51,430
millsap. Could we go back to option one?

490
01:04:01,190 --> 01:04:03,260
okay. Registration. Go to the next page on option one.

491
01:04:06,970 --> 01:04:09,780
and maybe the next page there. Think that. Okay. In the center, first of all, I am not really in favor of this.

492
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,200
I think it's discriminatory in nature in that you're requiring rental properties and
Renters as occupants

493
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:25,920
to live under a separate set of standards that you're requiring owners.

494
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:31,900
and. I think that's.

495
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:36,410
unfair. I think it's discriminatory in nature, which could create a problem.

496
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:40,460
and again, as was mentioned, the lawsuit in garland is a good example.

497
01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:44,510
yes, they've gone back to doing certain inspections, but it is a whole different system.

498
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,850
and I don't think that's what we need. It's been inferred that rental properties probably leave us with the thought of rental
Properties are for

499
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:02,540
lower income parts of town, lower income rentals, which would mean a lower set of
Standards that's implied, not proved or

500
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:11,660
proved. I think that's unfair to these people.

501
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:17,600
an option two you say contingent registration of a single family home as a rental
Property.

502
01:05:23,570 --> 01:05:23,570
the property owner shall consent and permit the city to conduct an inspection to the
Property to ensure it meets minimum code standards.

503
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:33,090
and go to option one again.

504
01:05:38,670 --> 01:05:38,670
the is there another first page of that option one?

505
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:42,970
okay, it applies there that it meets standards, but it doesn't say code.

506
01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:49,090
I don't believe it says code. So what's the difference there?

507
01:05:53,020 --> 01:05:53,020
I'm sorry. But are you referring to.

508
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,470
let's see. Maybe I'm misreading that. Any nonresident owner leasing or renting a single family resident at more than one
Location shall obtain a registration for each location being rented.

509
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:10,570
okay. Let's address that comment there. A non resident owner leasing or renting a single family residence at more.

510
01:06:16,210 --> 01:06:17,770
at more than one location. Does that mean a person can rent two rental properties and sublease one of them out?

511
01:06:22,930 --> 01:06:22,930
what that is intended to convey is that if you are a property owner that owns multiple
Locations, multiple properties in sachse, we would ask that you

512
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:32,710
under this structure you would be asked to register each property separately.

513
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:37,750
so it wouldn't be the case that if I owned five properties, I could just do one big
Registration for all five.

514
01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:45,130
we'd ask that each individual property be registered so we could tie that property to the
Tenant, to the property owner.

515
01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:53,930
okay, so. Okay, that clarifies that.

516
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:56,690
another thing is, I believe that this past year, whenever you go in and get your
Utilities turned on, you're supposed to either show a lease which would indicate

517
01:07:06,590 --> 01:07:06,590
rental property. Are you supposed to show a title or ownership of the property which
Would indicate ownership?

518
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:13,760
by doing that and then requiring the rental property to go under an inspection and the
Others not going under, I think, again, that's discriminatory in nature.

519
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:22,730
we're implying that it's a safety measure for working smoke detectors, fire hazards and
All of this.

520
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:30,320
and last year for the records I saw was there was about 380 pieces of property had
Utilities

521
01:07:40,550 --> 01:07:43,790
turned on that was implied that they were owner occupied. And there was about 110 that was rental occupied.

522
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:47,000
so requiring 110 of these pieces of property to go through an inspection.

523
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:55,350
but we're allowing 380 of them not to. So we're discriminating or we're letting.

524
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:00,500
400 380 houses slide from lack of inspection.

525
01:08:05,540 --> 01:08:05,540
while we're requiring 200 or 110 of them to get inspected, and I think that's
Discriminatory nature.

526
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,460
I think it's unfair. I think it's implying that people that are renters or rental property owners have a
Different set of standards.

527
01:08:20,900 --> 01:08:20,900
and in an example, like I said a while ago, it's implied that rental property is lower
Income.

528
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:26,090
there is a house in sachse right now on the rental board for $10,000 a month rental.

529
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,720
here in sachse. And you look it up, you find that it was bought about three years ago for 300 and some
Thousand dollars.

530
01:08:42,230 --> 01:08:45,980
it's on the tax rolls today at about $370,000. And if you were the owner of that place and you're going to be owner occupied and you
Bought that today at today's market.

531
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:52,980
and you paid 20% down your house payment would only be about $6,500.

532
01:08:58,290 --> 01:08:58,290
and they're asking $10,000 a month for it, so to say or imply that rental properties are
Lower income units I think is

533
01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:11,070
totally wrong. If I can interject, who implied that?

534
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,880
who implied that I didn't hear it? Who implied it? Yeah. I didn't hear it said today.

535
01:09:18,270 --> 01:09:21,530
I mean, unless I missed it. Well, you need to listen. Who said it? Council [inaudible].

536
01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:26,660
the way I interpreted what he said implied that rental property is could be lower income.

537
01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:35,900
okay. Is that true? Sorry. He submitted that. We're not. That's what I interpreted.

538
01:09:37,310 --> 01:09:39,530
it's a pretty strong accusation. I think my assumption there is a majority of people, at least I spoke to and stuff that
There's usually the [inaudible].

539
01:09:46,350 --> 01:09:49,470
right, lower value ones. And I dismiss that in my stats whenever I was looking it up that the majority, the vast
Majority of properties that we have are over $300,000 in current value.

540
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:58,590
and they do they I found the $1.5 million that she found as well.

541
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:03,000
so so my point was, is that at least in sachse, most of our rental homes have very good
Market value.

542
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:09,660
and those that are in the, quote, poorer neighborhoods in their maybe the older
Neighborhoods, maybe some of those would be more susceptible to having the housing

543
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:21,990
vouchers and there's a checklist program for them. And another thing that was mentioned, apartment complexes already, if there's if there's
Five units in a building, isn't that by

544
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,010
law already required to be inspected? By law it's by ordinance.

545
01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:36,810
and we do have a multifamily section of the code that creates for that inspection
Process, as well as duplexes and

546
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:45,590
apartment complexes with five or more units are already required to be inspected.

547
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,800
two or more units are required. So. So four or not or not.

548
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:55,310
so anyway, I'm not in favor of this as is written, if we want to do an inspection and
Require any time utilities change

549
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:05,930
then the entire the property gets inspected and it'd be equal to where it'd be a lease or
A homeowner.

550
01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:14,480
that would be one thing. But anything it's different than that I think is unfair.

551
01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:19,370
anything different than I'm sorry. Were you in favor of a registration component?

552
01:11:23,010 --> 01:11:26,230
do what? Were you in favor of a registration component or. No, I'm not in favor of it.

553
01:11:27,790 --> 01:11:27,790
but I'm saying the only way would I ever be in favor of it is if, if anytime the
Utilities change hands, then then the entire each property gets

554
01:11:37,090 --> 01:11:37,090
inspected, whether it be rental or owner occupied.

555
01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:42,010
okay. And one of the challenges right now is you don't have to change the utilities into
Your tenant's name in the current process.

556
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:50,560
a lot of people choose to keep the utilities in the property owner's name.

557
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:55,240
so it's sometimes difficult for us to detect if there's been a change in tenancy.

558
01:11:59,710 --> 01:12:01,270
so I just wanted to point that out. And I also wanted to say mayor and council, I have strictly tried to stay away from any
Value conversation as a part of this discussion because sachse is a very lovely place

559
01:12:11,170 --> 01:12:14,680
to be and our market yields very high rents. So it is not a value proposition at all.

560
01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:17,230
it's a conversation about a program to kind of monitor these activities.

561
01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:25,760
if I've conveyed anything to the contrary, I apologize. That's the reason for my comment.

562
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:26,900
and you know, the thing is, the comment was made a while ago that looking up the
Residents in town that does not have homeowner.

563
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:36,830
homestead exemption sort of was implied that that would be an indicative of rental
Properties.

564
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:43,850
that's true. However, I'm an example.

565
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:46,520
I've lived in the same house now soon to be 50 years, and I don't qualify for homestead
Exemption.

566
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:53,430
so that those records, by assuming looking at those types of data, doesn't give you a
True opinion.

567
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,580
well, I think that's a great point. And I think from staff's perspective, it's very hard for us to extrapolate rental data
Because it's kind of a hodgepodge of dcad information, homestead exemptions, utility

568
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:15,990
billing accounts. So we're not really able to cobble everything together. I think that's why one of the options presented was a registration program.

569
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:20,400
so we get a true picture of really what the rental network looks like in sachse.

570
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:30,430
okay. Mayor pro tem franks. Hello? Hello. All right.

571
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:33,950
so because it wasn't submitted, I don't know.

572
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:38,540
I never rented a property either been the renter the rentee, if that's the appropriate
Terminology.

573
01:13:45,050 --> 01:13:48,320
what is on the first and last page of a rental agreement? What information is on there?

574
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,100
on the first and last page of a lease? Please excuse me if it's a standard and I'm not a realtor, but based on the standard
Lease agreements that I've seen and I'm looking at our attorney, if he wants to weigh in

575
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:01,910
because he's giving me legal eyes. But typically the first page includes

576
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:16,110
the property address, the parties to the agreement, and the basic terms and some of the
Renewals.

577
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:26,340
and then the last page is usually the signature. The signature page.

578
01:14:28,810 --> 01:14:28,810
okay. One of the things we talked about this in the past, and if the council doesn't want
To proceed, we'll let it die here.

579
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:34,780
but. I'm going to ask my questions before that is determined.

580
01:14:38,860 --> 01:14:41,920
the address of the property and the parties. Does it give us contact information of the renter and the rentee?

581
01:14:46,690 --> 01:14:48,610
not on the documents that I've seen. Okay. And on your on the current slide, you have up the utility service credit
Application.

582
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:54,220
it asks for the owner or landlord name, but it doesn't have any contact information
There.

583
01:14:58,930 --> 01:14:58,930
correct. One of the issues we've had in the past is absentee owners or out of area
Owners, whether it be out of town or whether it be out of state.

584
01:15:08,290 --> 01:15:08,290
yeah, I don't consider myself living in a low income area and there are several rental
Properties on my street and they rent for way more than I pay in mortgage.

585
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:16,390
so the issue we've had on some of those is when they become vacant and there is code
Issues, we can't get a hold of anybody.

586
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:25,240
correct. And we don't know who the management company is if there is a management company
Because that's not listed anywhere.

587
01:15:31,330 --> 01:15:33,460
it can sometimes be listed. But as an example, we pulled some files earlier today and there were two management
Companies listed.

588
01:15:39,650 --> 01:15:39,650
so sometimes it can be a little bit of a goose chase for staff to go on to try to
Piecemeal some of the information together.

589
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:46,760
so on those properties, on those examples you were just speaking of that didn't have
Management companies, do we know there was a management company or do we not know?

590
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:55,730
sometimes we're able to cobble that together based on looking at dcad information and
Tying that with utility billing information.

591
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:05,390
sometimes that works just fine and it's not an issue. Sometimes it doesn't.

592
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:06,620
and in some cases, which if you all would like specific examples, we can certainly
Provide them.

593
01:16:12,140 --> 01:16:12,140
some cases are an emergency issue and we can't get in touch with the property owner.

594
01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:17,090
and so the neighbors complained about an issue and we're having a hard time getting in
Touch with someone.

595
01:16:22,220 --> 01:16:22,220
so that kind of puts puts them in a bit of a bind, too.

596
01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:26,540
and one of the two of the examples on my street, one is owned by an llc, one is owned by
A corporation.

597
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:32,030
they don't have individuals on dcad behind their names, but when there is a code
Enforcement issue on a rental house and we can only speak to the

598
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:41,390
renters occupying at the time and not the person that owns the house, what is our
Recourse?

599
01:16:51,550 --> 01:16:51,550
I'm going to have ray provide more specific examples.

600
01:16:56,290 --> 01:16:58,630
I'm sorry. Could you repeat your question? Yes. So you're driving by you see a code issue on a property.

601
01:17:03,490 --> 01:17:06,250
it's a rental property. The people living there don't own it. They're renters. And we cannot get ahold of because it's not an individual or if it's a
Company, what have you, or llc or dba or whatever you want to call them, that

602
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:17,340
we can't get ahold of. What recourse does a city have on that property?

603
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:23,670
because it's obviously not the responsibility of the renter. Correct. Okay. Correct.

604
01:17:25,230 --> 01:17:25,230
so. Historically, there's issues that we can address with the tenants bulk trash, for
Example.

605
01:17:33,230 --> 01:17:36,140
it's obvious they're living there. They're the ones that have put it out there. We can address that directly with them when we have when the concern comes up is when we
Have issues with the property that need to be addressed.

606
01:17:44,670 --> 01:17:47,630
so about $10,000 fence? Exactly correct. A lot of times we do the research in dcad and it gives us the property owner's name, but
It comes back to that same property so we don't have an

607
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:58,940
address for them. We get lucky sometimes when we do a little bit of research and maybe we research the name
And we'll get a hit for an address, maybe somewhere else in sachse or one of the

608
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,760
surrounding cities, and we can approach it that way. The bigger problem is when we have what you mentioned with an llc or a corporation or
Something like that, we can't issue a citation to them.

609
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,490
we need an individual, usually that's going to be a registered agent. We use the secretary of state's website in order to obtain that information.

610
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:26,850
but a lot of times these llcs aren't current on the information that they have, or
Sometimes they just don't list a registered agent.

611
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:35,100
you look at the the the field where that information is supposed to be and there's a
Blank there.

612
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:40,560
so those are the things that we encounter.

613
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:44,760
from time to time, we'll go through our legal staff to get them to do additional
Research.

614
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:51,120
they have tools that we don't have access to, such as nexis lexis that can be beneficial
In providing some of that information.

615
01:18:57,870 --> 01:18:57,870
and of course, then that's an additional expense that we have to incur if we want to,
Let's say, take them to court, not just municipal court, but

616
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:07,830
if we wanted to reflect the case and take it to district court, depending on the sort of
Circumstances that were encountered.

617
01:19:14,780 --> 01:19:18,000
give you real quick, right? Yes. No. Well, I mean, not not in district court, but we can do something.

618
01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:24,840
and my issue is you have someone renting there. The city says, no, you have to replace x and it's a very costly repair or the renter just
Doesn't want to do it themselves because it's on the landlord

619
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,840
and we can't get a hold of the landlord. At what point do we say, well, you can't stay here anymore.

620
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,300
I mean, we don't have that recourse. No, we don't have that recourse. The recourse would be try to force them to comply either through citations in municipal
Court or else actually doing a substandard case, which we also take to

621
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:54,940
municipal court. And to make a long story longer, mr. Prestenberg said, if somebody is renting a house out and there's high grass or a fence
Falling down and the renter says, I don't care, I want it anyway, his comment was, well,

622
01:20:03,850 --> 01:20:04,900
they want it anyway. And then the rent. The owner doesn't have to fix it for 4 or 5 more years until he wants
To rent it out again.

623
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:12,880
so that problem stays for 4 or 5 more years possibly. But that's my issue is more the absentee owners, because both houses on my street, only
50% of only one of the two had real issues at it.

624
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:22,120
and it was owned by a out of town corporation or llc.

625
01:20:28,330 --> 01:20:28,330
and we found out later after the eviction process and they finally went up with a leasing
Company management company.

626
01:20:37,780 --> 01:20:37,780
so until that whole year process went around, we didn't know who was in charge because
None of that information was had.

627
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:47,530
so I don't know that what you proposed here. Lauren sorry. Long story.

628
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:52,290
longer. Gives us any more information on that. That's not if we're going to do something.

629
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:56,760
it needs to be we need to get more information. If it's going to be a leasing a management company that we need to contact.

630
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:01,110
if we we need to get some direct contact information from either the owner or llc, what
Have you.

631
01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:07,780
or this is pointless because we're going to have the same issues.

632
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:11,920
thanks, ray. Sorry I have you up there all the time.

633
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,730
um, that was all one question. That's great. So, councilman lindsey said we have, in his estimation,

634
01:21:28,450 --> 01:21:28,450
680 rentals, give or take, in the city.

635
01:21:34,930 --> 01:21:34,930
I don't know how many or what percentage of those come up on an annual basis to have to
Be inspected.

636
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:41,560
if someone is in like one of the houses on my street was rented by the same family for
Ten years, never moved out, always paid no issues.

637
01:21:52,220 --> 01:21:52,220
so I don't know if like you said, there's no there's no way you can tell me how many we
Have.

638
01:22:01,730 --> 01:22:03,830
not not a specific. 10% is, I think, the best guess.

639
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:09,410
you can give me an educated guess. Okay. I'm going to call it a guess.

640
01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:10,610
you call it an educated guess just because you can't, it's very difficult.

641
01:22:15,170 --> 01:22:15,170
yeah. I don't understand how you decipher all of that.

642
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,010
it's a bit of a chicken and the egg situation. I can't tell you how many we have because we don't ask them to be registered.

643
01:22:26,060 --> 01:22:28,310
well, and I'm with you. I'm with you on that. And I'm not guessing your number.

644
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:30,770
I just there's no way for me to quantify that and and verify that.

645
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:35,360
but I did want to know, how many hours do you expect from an employee to spend on this
Program per year or per month, whatever you want to

646
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,840
call it? It depends on the option that you all choose. A registration program would be relatively straightforward process that would likely
Require an employee to just keep up with the database, which could likely option one.

647
01:22:57,290 --> 01:23:01,160
okay. Thank you. More than likely could be absorbed. [inaudible] current job functions.

648
01:23:02,450 --> 01:23:02,450
if we were looking into inspections, that would likely require an additional position to
Keep up with that volume and to provide the level of service that is the expectation of

649
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:11,570
the city of sachse. We certainly wouldn't recommend moving forward with a program and not
Have adequate staffing to make sure that it's workable for everybody, because I

650
01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:24,800
think that would be starting off on the wrong foot completely. So as far as ours, it's a bit hard to quantify without knowing the total volume.

651
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,870
I think option one could be absorbed currently. Okay. I think option two would likely require a staff member.

652
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:38,800
but the end goal of option one just would should tell us what's what properties are
Rental and what's not.

653
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:45,910
correct. And I think the best case scenario with option one, at least from staff's
Perspective, is we just want to know how to get in touch with the property owner.

654
01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:53,710
we want to have somebody to contact in case there's an issue, whether that issue is with
Their property or with their tenant.

655
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:00,520
if we're getting complaints about their tenant consistently, improperly placing bulk
Trash, we'd like to let them know that because they're probably not making very good

656
01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:10,180
neighbors for their surrounding folks.

657
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:15,400
and that way we would have a path of recourse, I think at least to start a dialog, to
Start a conversation if there's a problem.

658
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:29,000
okay.

659
01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:40,640
formulating my question. Not a holding pattern. Councilman prestenberg also talked about external issues, whether that he would rather
See that being a code enforcement issue.

660
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:49,400
I would think that on the front exterior of the house, that's easily done on the rear,
It's not.

661
01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:57,740
unless it's observable from the public right of way. Right. Or your neighbor's backyard and your neighbor turns you in or something like that.

662
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:04,680
and your neighbor is willing to sign an affidavit. Right. Lots of caveats.

663
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:06,830
no, no, no. That's an important because I was going to ask because a lot of people will
Tell on their neighbors, but just don't tell them I told you.

664
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:13,430
correct? Yeah. Well, they would like to remain anonymous, which we understand anonymity
Is important.

665
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:21,170
yeah. You don't make your neighbor mad at you and. Yeah. So code enforcement can do a front.

666
01:25:28,730 --> 01:25:31,750
front ish of your house exterior easily. The back unless you live in a neighborhood with an alley may not be very accessible.

667
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:38,360
it can be challenging. It would be. It could be challenging unless you have a very caring neighbor.

668
01:25:42,980 --> 01:25:42,980
I'll say that my mother in law's name is karen, by the way.

669
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:48,920
and code enforcement has no enforcement or any jurisdiction to go for inside issues.

670
01:25:54,380 --> 01:25:54,380
no, sir. A landlord called me and told me that

671
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:04,320
one of the comments that stuck out the most was she said, and I said they sorry, whenever
She sells a property, she recommends that

672
01:26:14,250 --> 01:26:14,250
that person get get an inspection on their house, but she doesn't want inspections on
Rental properties.

673
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:19,500
and she couldn't explain that to me and why that was different.

674
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:24,480
I don't care if it's a home or a duplex or an apartment complex, if it's if it's a rental
Property for a profit, then I think the same

675
01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:34,290
standards should go as was said, whether it be everything or nothing.

676
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:38,790
right? I don't want it to be very intrusive, but I understand if we're truly doing it for
Safety, then it has to be we're going to have to go inside the home.

677
01:26:47,850 --> 01:26:49,110
we're going to have to inspect. As councilman lindsey has said many times, when he was renting, he rented a house with no
Smoke detectors.

678
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:57,840
you know, great good on him. He actually put them up himself.

679
01:27:00,210 --> 01:27:00,210
but I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't have the want or the means to do that.

680
01:27:08,170 --> 01:27:08,170
so I just if we're truly doing this for safety, then a registration program doesn't do
Anything for me.

681
01:27:14,590 --> 01:27:14,590
it just tells me how to get in touch with the actual owner if there's a code enforcement
Issue, that's the only thing it does.

682
01:27:23,690 --> 01:27:23,690
which, if I may add, that is that would be an important step for staff because sometimes
We get completely stuck trying to get in touch with the property owner.

683
01:27:32,020 --> 01:27:35,870
correct. And I should say that it doesn't do anything for safety inside the home. Understood. Understood.

684
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:37,640
sorry. But, you know, in theory, if we have a good relationship with the property owner
And I would I would even go out there to say most of our property owners in sachse are

685
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,490
excellent property owners. We have good actors. And of course, with every community we have bad actors.

686
01:27:52,130 --> 01:27:52,130
and I think this establishes a rapport of, hey, the city is going to be in contact with
You.

687
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:57,470
this is what you can expect if you want to conduct this type of business in the city of
Sachse.

688
01:28:02,420 --> 01:28:02,420
and I would say most property owners that rent out a property are pretty good, but not
Everybody.

689
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:08,120
and if you want to argue that point with me and say that they're not all bad, I'll agree
With you.

690
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:14,630
but you have to also agree with me. They're not all good either or available.

691
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:17,360
so, I mean, I would like to see at least the registration process only whether we go with
Registration and inspection.

692
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:28,040
that's up to the council. If they don't want anything, then I'll die on this hill and it'll be the last you hear of
Me.

693
01:28:32,150 --> 01:28:33,320
just like the fence issue. Except I just brought it up again, so that's all.

694
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:40,960
thank you, miss buhler. Thank you, lauren, for the presentation.

695
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:43,990
I am really in favor of option one, the registration only.

696
01:28:49,780 --> 01:28:49,780
just so we can have a point of contact if the owners are out of town.

697
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:56,680
I think the list. Can you go back to the list of the things that you propose inspecting?

698
01:29:02,050 --> 01:29:05,680
I just think it's too heavy handed. I think we live in texas. There's always something that's going to be a little bit deteriorated or a little bit.

699
01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:09,340
and I just I think that's too cumbersome.

700
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:14,560
I would be in favor for having a registration program and maybe saying, here are a list
Of minimum standards like a fire alarm, locking doors, a

701
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:24,400
fence, and here are our guidelines for other things that you can view here.

702
01:29:31,870 --> 01:29:35,290
do you agree? Give me your information. That's it. So, no, we're not going to go in and actually check their fire alarm, but they
Know that it's a safety requirement and they should do it.

703
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,340
sure. Would that be a possibility? Absolutely. A lot of communities do provide information to the tenants.

704
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:49,300
just have a general sense of what's acceptable, what may be less than acceptable.

705
01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:54,190
and maybe they could use that as a point of advocacy for themselves as they're working
With their landlord.

706
01:29:59,230 --> 01:30:02,200
that's certainly something that's an option for sure. Right I mean, we can list our fence, you know, ordinances and stuff like that, but to say
That.

707
01:30:09,620 --> 01:30:09,620
no like to inspect gutter systems and roofs and siding and paint.

708
01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:17,600
that's just that's that's past safety to me. And I want to make sure we're actually doing this to keep our community safe and not just
To be overreaching what we should be doing.

709
01:30:25,230 --> 01:30:25,230
sure. And also as councilman lindsey.

710
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:32,270
if we just have this minimum registration program, I'd like to continue to enforce all
Codes, whether they are owner occupied or rentals.

711
01:30:42,140 --> 01:30:44,330
absolutely. And I want to be clear. We we look at all issues.

712
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:46,640
we are an equal opportunity code enforcement team if we come out to your property.

713
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:52,040
and a neighbor has complained about a fallen limb and we see bulk trash issue, we're
Going to talk to you about that as well, because it's you know, our perspective is that

714
01:31:00,620 --> 01:31:00,620
it's our responsibility to protect the health, safety and welfare of our residents.

715
01:31:04,730 --> 01:31:04,730
and we would be doing them a disservice if we didn't point out something else that could
Be an issue.

716
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,660
so. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Mr. Lindsey. Yeah.

717
01:31:13,730 --> 01:31:14,930
a couple more questions. Making it back around. So let's say we did the registration program.

718
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,550
how would you track it? Do we have the software already that could allow us to do something like that?

719
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:28,070
as far as specific software, we ray and I were joking last week that there's not a lot of
Great code enforcement tracking software.

720
01:31:34,590 --> 01:31:34,590
[inaudible] is a great tool for residents, and that does allow us to keep track of code
Issues.

721
01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:39,480
but as far as property tracking, [inaudible] is not a good option.

722
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:44,880
but I would I mean, I think a good old fashioned excel spreadsheet is a good way to
Start.

723
01:31:50,130 --> 01:31:50,130
and we could look at tying that into some of our utility billing information and seeing
If there's some integrations there as well.

724
01:31:58,170 --> 01:32:00,450
okay. Yeah, I think that's a good answer. And where I was ballpark and councilman millsap is absolutely correct.

725
01:32:04,710 --> 01:32:04,710
I mean, these are just, you know, ballpark numbers and you could have some people lying
About their homestead.

726
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:10,560
you'd hope not. But, you know, I was just trying to get a feel for because to me it
Weighs directly into the cost.

727
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:17,760
what is this going to take? And I know it's impossible for you to say without knowing how many renters are actually
In our city.

728
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:23,760
so registration program, if we might be able to do that with minimal cost, I still think
It's going to be quickly outdated.

729
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:31,590
the information will go a couple of years and then the contact numbers will go away.

730
01:32:38,090 --> 01:32:38,090
but maybe it's worth trying if there's a minimal amount of of expense and effort that's
Having that's going with it.

731
01:32:48,500 --> 01:32:48,500
one thing that councilman prestenberg mentioned on there that I certainly agree with is
The when you share a wall with somebody on

732
01:32:58,490 --> 01:32:58,490
there and you know, just looking at the data that we do have, I do see we've got 134
Duplexes that are in our city and then there's about 15

733
01:33:07,790 --> 01:33:07,790
quadplexes. So I would love to see something that was specific if that was possible to go
From the multifamily and include those in with the inspections that we have for

734
01:33:17,660 --> 01:33:17,660
multifamily. And I know we're starting to get several townhomes and stuff and those are
Classified as single family residential, but they're not detached residential.

735
01:33:26,780 --> 01:33:26,780
so whenever there is a safety issue, know, I'd love to know what we could do that and I
Do believe in specifically calling those out and targeting those because

736
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:38,580
it's unique to that. Your downstairs neighbor starts a fire and doesn't know about it and that can quickly
Spread to the whole quadplex.

737
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:46,800
so anything specific that we can do, how are we doing with multifamily units right now?

738
01:33:56,610 --> 01:33:59,160
I know you addressed that last time, but I kind of forgot. Sure. So multifamily duplexes, quadplexes, those are all under an inspection program.

739
01:34:06,610 --> 01:34:08,890
they currently are already. Yes. Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah. Okay. And that is actually not run out of neighborhood services.

740
01:34:12,820 --> 01:34:16,330
we work with the the fire folks on that. It's changed location over the years, but they're looking for basic safety stuff to make
Sure that electrical is in good shape.

741
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,050
the smoke detectors are working and all that good stuff. So rest assured, those are being covered currently.

742
01:34:29,410 --> 01:34:32,080
okay. I knew they were in the big complexes, but I was surprised. So then the that just the quadplexes, it's like a regular, like yearly type, like fire
Inspection?

743
01:34:38,710 --> 01:34:42,460
I believe it's change in tenancy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So how does that work right now if we already have like these various duplexes or are
Those registered owners, how are you notified whenever there's a change in tenants

744
01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:56,320
? Yeah it's a little bit difficult, right because we don't have that proper registration
List. I'm sure fire keeps a good list of that rotation, but a lot of it's relying on people to
Self report a benefit of creating a registration program is we could

745
01:35:06,230 --> 01:35:06,230
set an expectation that we would like you to go ahead and register with the city.

746
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:10,280
that's something you should do anytime you enter into one of these types of properties.

747
01:35:16,350 --> 01:35:16,350
and final question on there is do we see a lot of differences trying to find particular
Owners, these vacant homes and things like

748
01:35:26,010 --> 01:35:26,010
that? Do they come up in neighborhoods with hoas or more so without hoas or equally?

749
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:37,770
you know, we've we've had both. Wow.

750
01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:43,020
which is a totally different subject. And as I'm sure you understand, but some of them are quite nebulous.

751
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,250
and tracking some of these property owners down is pretty difficult. We've got one that's not a rental property, but we have been in councilman frank is very
Familiar with this property.

752
01:35:57,090 --> 01:35:57,090
we have been on the hunt to track down the property owner and we cannot get in touch with
Her.

753
01:36:01,650 --> 01:36:01,650
and we continue to have to file liens on the property because we continue to have to
Maintain it for them.

754
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:07,200
I'm sure that property is worth quite a bit of money, so I'm not sure why they haven't
Put it on the market, but it continues to be an issue for us.

755
01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:15,090
so I think that's always going to be a little bit of a problem with tracking folks down.

756
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:21,040
okay. Well, you can throw me down for option one for the just the registration part on
There.

757
01:36:27,310 --> 01:36:27,310
it's not you know, as long as it's not technically, I guess, mandatory, it's strongly
Encouraged.

758
01:36:33,220 --> 01:36:33,220
and if they're nice enough to call up, it would at least be able to be nice to track that
Information on there.

759
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,920
great. Thank you. Throw you down, but not literally. Right. Okay, mr.

760
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:44,080
millsap. How is it we're spending a lot of time discussing the difficulty in finding the
Ownership

761
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:54,070
of a piece of property when, to my knowledge, dallas county appraisal district sure
Doesn't have any problem finding out who to send the tax bill to.

762
01:37:02,710 --> 01:37:02,710
they use tax collectors, and those gentlemen are folks.

763
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:08,800
if you go into county appraisal website dcad, it tells you who owns the property and it
Gives you the mailing address as to who's on record, as who owns the property.

764
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:18,100
it does. But as ray mentioned earlier, sometimes those references are circuitous.

765
01:37:22,660 --> 01:37:26,260
so sometimes the property owner is listed as john smith. You go look up john smith and it's tied back to the property that you're trying to get in
Touch with.

766
01:37:30,670 --> 01:37:33,850
so it's a little bit of this going back and forth. Tax collectors use things like skip tracing.

767
01:37:36,580 --> 01:37:36,580
they have actual people who show up at doors and knock on them to try to get in touch
With folks.

768
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:42,070
we obviously don't have don't use those methods and would not use those methods for code
Issues, but they have some more resources available to them than we do.

769
01:37:51,790 --> 01:37:51,790
and we for the most part, dcad and ccad can be good resources for us.

770
01:37:55,930 --> 01:37:55,930
but again, not every property is tied to the to the renter, to the property owner, and
Sometimes those can be tied to llcs or corporations with no specific person

771
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:09,400
listed and it's just an entity. It can be pretty cumbersome. Didn't we sign a contract a few months ago with a legal firm to do collections for
Delinquent taxes?

772
01:38:15,310 --> 01:38:19,180
they should be able to do that. For court fines. Yes. And we do use those for delinquent taxes.

773
01:38:21,370 --> 01:38:21,370
fortunately, sachse does not have a big tax delinquency issue.

774
01:38:25,390 --> 01:38:28,750
that is a totally separate process than what we're discussing tonight. And leases of record is is is one way to figure out who owns rental property, obviously.

775
01:38:35,650 --> 01:38:37,810
but I know some properties. The fact of the matter, I own a piece of property for the last 7 or 8 years that his
Rentals never had a lease on it and it's been rental ever since I bought it, because it

776
01:38:45,490 --> 01:38:45,490
was rental renter occupied when I bought it and the same guy still there.

777
01:38:49,550 --> 01:38:49,550
okay. So I'm saying there's there's no real record as to how much property we have and to
Say we're going to inspect all rental properties and

778
01:38:59,360 --> 01:38:59,360
not inspect all of these new residents that move in to have utilities turned on.

779
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:05,000
like I say, the records show there were like 380 last year.

780
01:39:09,710 --> 01:39:09,710
we're going to require 110 pieces of property to be inspected, but allow 380 not to be
Inspected.

781
01:39:17,390 --> 01:39:20,210
and we're saying we're doing it on the guise of safety. I think that is not really being up and up as to why we're doing this.

782
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:27,410
so I can't in good faith support it unless we're going to make it consistent with all as
And maybe put it in that

783
01:39:37,550 --> 01:39:40,790
as utilities change. Then all properties have to be inspected with a uniform inspection code.

784
01:39:47,810 --> 01:39:50,720
okay. [inaudible] I'm good. I got my question answered.

785
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:55,250
okay. Of course. Of the discussion. Okay. That's good. Mr. Prestenberg. Yes.

786
01:39:57,020 --> 01:39:57,020
I found the 2017 comp plan, so it was on the website.

787
01:40:02,810 --> 01:40:04,790
thank you. Congratulations. And it said 84% at that time were owner occupied and 16% were rental.

788
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:09,680
so I'm I'm on board with option one for registration.

789
01:40:15,230 --> 01:40:15,230
I do like councilwoman buhler's idea about handing out some sort of document that said,
These are what you should expect with your new rental home.

790
01:40:23,690 --> 01:40:23,690
here are some of the guidelines, or here's where you can go find what our ordinances are.

791
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:28,010
if these things aren't meeting, call your landlord type thing.

792
01:40:32,270 --> 01:40:34,600
so that was great suggestion. Thank you. Okay.

793
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,170
okay. So a couple of things. First and foremost, I think option one is to me anyway, is a no brainer to pursue.

794
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:48,290
we as has been pointed out by several council members that you know and by staff that we
Don't have a way to an easy way to get a hold of people that

795
01:40:58,250 --> 01:40:58,250
have issues. And so I think again, to me anyway, that's a no brainer to pursue that.

796
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:05,950
as far as option two. Yeah. So I think miss buhler actually brought up a really good point and I'm glad you got
The list back up here.

797
01:41:12,250 --> 01:41:12,250
yeah, I think safety is priority one and whether it's the roof, soffit, fascia, whatever,
I don't think we have to do that.

798
01:41:21,670 --> 01:41:21,670
I think the issue is, and miss howarth said this in the very beginning, is that we hold
Everybody to the same standard except one group of people, and that's

799
01:41:31,630 --> 01:41:33,700
landlord single-family landlords. And that's what I have an issue with is because we make multifamily people do it.

800
01:41:38,980 --> 01:41:41,200
we make people that have duplexes do it. We make it single family owners do it, but we don't make landlords do it for single
Family.

801
01:41:46,630 --> 01:41:46,630
and that's the problem I have is because.

802
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:51,060
there's a lot of talk about being fair and being equal and discriminating against people.

803
01:41:55,950 --> 01:41:55,950
yeah, I think you do discriminate against people when you don't make everybody have the
Same standard.

804
01:42:00,570 --> 01:42:00,570
so I'm definitely in favor of option two registration and inspection program.

805
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:04,920
however, as mayor pro tem frank has mentioned several times, you know, we'll see what the
Council wants to do.

806
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:13,320
I get the sense it could be wrong. I get the sense that option one is pretty much going to move forward with that.

807
01:42:16,860 --> 01:42:16,860
I know mr. Millsap doesn't want to do that, but everybody else want to go forward with
Option one.

808
01:42:24,130 --> 01:42:26,920
with the checklist. I'm sorry. Okay. I don't hear any strenuous objections.

809
01:42:28,630 --> 01:42:31,720
I was going to say that matches my scribble scrabble on the paper. And I appreciate you clarifying councilman lindsey.

810
01:42:35,170 --> 01:42:36,670
so I got your. And we will open it up to the public here in just a second.

811
01:42:39,340 --> 01:42:39,340
the option two obviously is a lot more complicated, it sounds like.

812
01:42:43,660 --> 01:42:43,660
so, you know, I'll hold that and we'll let the public talk if they want to.

813
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,690
sure. Anyone from the audience like to address this item? Yes, sir. Got three minutes.

814
01:42:59,190 --> 01:42:59,190
last time I checked.

815
01:43:04,270 --> 01:43:08,170
matthew de hobo 5511 oak ridge circle sachse, texas. Top of the hill. Do short term rentals fall into all of this?

816
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:17,140
they have all the same problems. I mean, you have people that could be lying or not lying on their exemptions, their
Business.

817
01:43:25,930 --> 01:43:28,630
I got a party house around the corner from me. The only time people are there are thursday, fridays, and saturday nights and sunday days
And they leave trash out on the street.

818
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,690
and at the end of the day, it's a business. And if you charge these people to register, I don't have a problem with that either.

819
01:43:44,770 --> 01:43:44,770
I don't really care about the inspection, but it's a business and you're getting away
From that fact.

820
01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:52,900
and whether or not you have 12 people staying there two nights or one person staying
There for three years.

821
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,090
what's the difference? And if it doesn't have anything to do with airbnb or vrbo, you're just wasting your time.

822
01:44:13,810 --> 01:44:13,810
thank you [inaudible]. Miss rose, you just want to address that real quick.

823
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:20,080
sure, absolutely. This particular framework does not include short term rentals that's actually being taken
Up at the state legislature right now.

824
01:44:27,070 --> 01:44:28,990
there's a bill on deck. We'll see how it fares through the final days.

825
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:31,270
it's a bit of a rough process, but there's a bill on deck to study the effects of short
Term rental bans.

826
01:44:37,450 --> 01:44:37,450
and actually, our neighbor plano, just invoked a short term rental moratorium.

827
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:43,120
so they are also commissioning their own study on short term rental bans to see how those
Can be effectively conducted.

828
01:44:49,660 --> 01:44:49,660
we are watching closely, but this particular set of framework does not include strs.

829
01:44:57,130 --> 01:44:58,660
[inaudible] question for ms. Rose? Okay, go ahead.

830
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:01,900
did you learn about this at your austin jaunt?

831
01:45:06,670 --> 01:45:07,930
the short term rental ban? Yeah, that was one of the items that was discussed down there, although we're in constant
Correspondence the entire session.

832
01:45:13,780 --> 01:45:13,780
so this has been a topic that has been a big issue for cities and we've been in constant
Contact with our legislative partners to discuss this.

833
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:27,260
yeah. Yeah. But you had a chance to talk to him about that. Perfect. Thank you. Come on down, sir.

834
01:45:36,580 --> 01:45:36,580
butch cooper 7107 long meadow drive and here in sachse.

835
01:45:42,820 --> 01:45:42,820
I'm afraid that that what we have here is a solution in search of a problem.

836
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:52,200
that you're going to start this registration inventory of properties and that data is
Going to be out of date,

837
01:46:01,590 --> 01:46:01,590
invalid within a short time of its being taken.

838
01:46:08,090 --> 01:46:11,480
and if it's not maintained, then it's useless. And to maintain it and to do all this stuff, it's going to take a chunk of money.

839
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:17,100
and this is money that we could be spending in other places.

840
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:21,500
I'd recommend that the way you do this is base it off complaints from the neighbors and
Use code inspection to go after it.

841
01:46:31,390 --> 01:46:31,390
and if the code inspection finds criminal violations, involve the police department.

842
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,400
but let's don't set up a registration. You know, it's going to take one guy to get it started.

843
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:44,200
oh, well, next year you're going to have to have two. And the year after that you're going to have to have three and four, and it's going to
Spiral out of control.

844
01:46:49,540 --> 01:46:49,540
and I think you're ending up spending money.

845
01:46:54,660 --> 01:46:58,620
that's not going to achieve the results that you want. Thank you. Thank you mr cooper.

846
01:47:02,530 --> 01:47:05,910
miss rose. Mayor and council. If you'll recall, back in 2019, we had a conversation about changing the direction of
Code enforcement to more of a proactive approach with neighborhood services, where we

847
01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:17,220
were out in the community. We were not just doing reactive code enforcement, but we were taking proactive measures
To be present in the neighborhoods, to establish programs, to develop relationships with

848
01:47:26,850 --> 01:47:28,680
property owners in neighborhoods. Our rental inspection program is one option, but we've also developed, as you'll see,
Soon.

849
01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:34,500
unfortunately, our catalytic converter got stolen off of our mobile tool shed.

850
01:47:39,690 --> 01:47:42,330
that was not foreseen issue. But that's just that's another tool that we're looking at to build relationships with the
Property owners.

851
01:47:46,530 --> 01:47:46,530
and again, I think the key here and the direction we got back from council at that time
Was we don't want to wait until there's a problem.

852
01:47:53,310 --> 01:47:57,090
we want to be proactive about the problems before they occur. And we're fortunate to have some really big neighbors surrounding us who have experienced
These issues and we are taking from their their lesson plan, if you will, and learning

853
01:48:06,850 --> 01:48:06,850
from their mistakes and trying not to replicate those here in sachse.

854
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:10,870
so just to address that, not necessarily being a problem, I think that's the point, is
That we're wanting to be proactive before it becomes a big problem.

855
01:48:20,290 --> 01:48:22,480
thank you, miss rose. You're welcome. Before we go back to council, did you have a question for miss rose, mr.

856
01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:25,260
millsap? I asked you what you just said.

857
01:48:29,480 --> 01:48:31,370
try and take a proactive approach. That means you're implying that rental properties are causing more problems than others.

858
01:48:36,230 --> 01:48:36,230
do you have any data as to residential code enforcement and violation complaints?

859
01:48:42,980 --> 01:48:42,980
how many of those involve rental property as opposed to those involving a homeowner owner
Occupied property?

860
01:48:49,820 --> 01:48:49,820
I want to first address the implication that I was suggesting that rental properties are
Causing issues.

861
01:48:55,460 --> 01:48:57,200
that's that's not necessarily the case. We just want to be able to get in touch with the property owners.

862
01:48:59,570 --> 01:49:01,430
that's the challenge that we're experiencing. So if there's any sort of a problem, that would be it.

863
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:04,880
and to the second part of your comment, we don't currently distinguish if it's a rental
Property or an owner occupied property.

864
01:49:12,500 --> 01:49:14,840
we just lock it as a code complaint. Certainly that's something we can start to keep track of, but that's not something that
We categorize at this point in time.

865
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:21,920
because the ordinance is going to only apply to rental property, but we just still don't
Know how much.

866
01:49:27,630 --> 01:49:27,630
of the complaints, how many of the complaints are against rental property as opposed to
Owner occupied.

867
01:49:31,940 --> 01:49:31,940
but we're using that as of being a reason to be proactive only to rental properties, not
To owner occupied properties.

868
01:49:39,220 --> 01:49:41,340
and I think that again is unfair. Well, just in reference to the entire portfolio of neighborhood services programing
That's designed for all properties, whether it's owner occupied or rental occupied.

869
01:49:50,730 --> 01:49:50,730
this is just another one of those tools in addition to the mobile tool shed, some of the
Neighborhood vitality programing that we're working on.

870
01:49:57,060 --> 01:49:57,060
clean up events that ray has coordinated with church and volunteer groups and the the area
That's for all residences in sachse.

871
01:50:05,190 --> 01:50:05,190
so this is just one specifically that addresses a rental properties.

872
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,380
thank you, mrs. Rose. Thanks. Anyone else from the audience like to address this item?

873
01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:19,430
seeing then. All right. So definitely had plenty of discussion on this.

874
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:22,760
I think one of the things I that brings out to me is that, you know, we don't know the or
How many rental properties we have.

875
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:36,330
that's kind of the whole point is that we're trying to figure out what we got. As far as being proactive.

876
01:50:38,090 --> 01:50:38,090
yeah, sometimes when you're proactive, you don't necessarily have a problem, but you're
Trying to prevent problems from happening in the future.

877
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:45,140
I like being proactive. It always comes back to what I've always said is what kind of community do you want to
Live in?

878
01:50:49,190 --> 01:50:49,190
do you want to have a body up here that's proactive on things or always reactive?

879
01:50:53,780 --> 01:50:56,870
I know that's the one I choose, but that's me. So with that, I think I think we got consensus on moving forward with option one.

880
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:08,420
do I hear any strenuous objections? Okay. So at the very minimum, miss rose had talked about having some notes with option
One.

881
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:17,610
if you come back up and option two is a lot more murky. So I think the best way to approach that for now, unless there's a thought on council to
Move forward with option two at this point, I don't want to leave

882
01:51:27,420 --> 01:51:27,420
anybody out. I know that was kind of addressed before, but I think we can take the
Approach.

883
01:51:33,870 --> 01:51:33,870
we can take it baby steps, if you will, and we'll come back with option one.

884
01:51:38,700 --> 01:51:38,700
and then I'm sure there'll be other discussion on that and then maybe we'll go from
There.

885
01:51:43,620 --> 01:51:47,230
certainly. And a lot more to present. This is true. Yes.

886
01:51:48,970 --> 01:51:52,150
any objections from council? Okay. Thank you, miss rose.

887
01:51:54,670 --> 01:51:56,080
next item on the agenda is item three. Discuss the hours of operation at the sachse public library and michael j.

888
01:51:59,410 --> 01:52:01,990
felix community center. I did not call it michael j. Fox. Okay.

889
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,060
that's a tribute to mayor pro tem franks. Miss nash.

890
01:52:08,620 --> 01:52:12,120
well, hold on. Oh. Oh, okay.

891
01:52:15,130 --> 01:52:18,090
so do you need to. Okay. Let us.

892
01:52:28,650 --> 01:52:28,650
okay. I don't want to touch it.

893
01:52:34,980 --> 01:52:36,730
okay. Are we back? No. I can hear me.

894
01:52:42,930 --> 01:52:42,930
oh. Oh, I see that.

895
01:54:00,740 --> 01:54:02,710
all right. Okay. Lance is just chomping at the bit, but as always [inaudible] ms.

896
01:54:06,730 --> 01:54:10,240
nash. Mayor and council. Lance whitworth is here before you tonight to talk about options for changes in hours of
Operations in two of our leisure services divisions, both the library

897
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:22,180
and the michael j. Felix community center. As you recall, counscil, you asked a couple of several of you have asked over the last
Several months about expansion of services at both of those facilities.

898
01:54:32,170 --> 01:54:35,740
you discussed it at length at your retreat back in the winter. And as you know, I like to bring forth any kind of policy discussions that could have
Implications during the budget process.

899
01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:43,900
forward to you before the budget so you can have a policy discussion and give us
Direction prior to releasing any kind of

900
01:54:53,620 --> 01:54:56,560
information to you during the budget for you to deliberate over. So that's really what tonight is for, is an opportunity for you all to weigh the
Different options that lance and his staff have put together to let us know what you'd

901
01:55:04,940 --> 01:55:04,940
like to do moving forward with any changes in hours of operation, if any.

902
01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:14,730
hello, mr. Whitworth. Good evening. Thank you, miss nash. Thank you, mayor bickerstaff and city council for this chance to to talk about a couple
Of our divisions and the leisure services department.

903
01:55:22,140 --> 01:55:24,330
this this is the timing. Could not be any more perfect.

904
01:55:26,910 --> 01:55:26,910
coming out of covid our numbers at both facilities.

905
01:55:31,740 --> 01:55:31,740
we've had record breaking years at both facilities and programing.

906
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:36,000
even our special events and our variety of programs at both at the library and at the
Community center.

907
01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:42,180
so this is a great opportunity for me to kind of go over those and and also to discuss
The results of that survey that was conducted back in fall of

908
01:55:52,050 --> 01:55:52,050
2022 and really kind of deep dive in that and see what the concerns and some thoughts
From the community.

909
01:56:00,060 --> 01:56:00,060
so we're just going to cover the library first and then answer questions about the
Library.

910
01:56:05,310 --> 01:56:05,310
I think it'd be better to keep those two separate and then we'll go into the community
Center.

911
01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:10,060
so the overview for the public library, we want to just kind of again discuss the
Feedback that we received from the survey.

912
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:19,840
talk about the programing priorities of the community that we've seen in that survey.

913
01:56:24,340 --> 01:56:28,120
hours of operation and schedule options. And again, we will also do the same with the community center.

914
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:35,560
so at the resident survey 2022 in that fall, we we kind of asked some additional
Questions that were centered around the leisure services,

915
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:49,360
specifically the michael j. Felix community center and the library. And a result of that, you can see that we got great responses from that survey that want
To see additional programs, all ages and

916
01:56:59,200 --> 01:56:59,200
additional step programs and as well as the english as a second language.

917
01:57:07,010 --> 01:57:07,010
so the emphasis on this, again, all ages science, technology, engineering, mathematics.

918
01:57:13,940 --> 01:57:13,940
convenient program times is another area that they address.

919
01:57:18,140 --> 01:57:18,140
they want to see more evening and weekend programing for families and times that don't
Necessarily fit with their family schedule.

920
01:57:28,350 --> 01:57:28,350
the library's current hours operations staffing levels will need to be will need to
Change or increase in order to meet the desired demands of the community.

921
01:57:39,150 --> 01:57:39,150
so this is the current hours of operation for the library.

922
01:57:44,210 --> 01:57:44,210
the current [inaudible] the current schedule and staffing level provide limited
Opportunities to expand programing into the evenings and weekends, and we saw that just

923
01:57:52,190 --> 01:57:52,190
recently. We added a family story time in the evening.

924
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:56,600
but what it did is when we added that it took away a family or took away a story time for
The younger kids.

925
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:03,320
so you got to kind of with our limited time, we got to kind of squeeze all that in.

926
01:58:09,340 --> 01:58:09,340
so we have three different options that we want to propose.

927
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:14,080
staff prepared these options for council just to talk about and discuss and ask questions
And consider.

928
01:58:20,700 --> 01:58:20,700
at the library like I said, with the record breaking year that we've had, the number of
Checkouts of 152,000 items this last year

929
01:58:30,850 --> 01:58:30,850
. It was it was a lot of shuffling of scheduling of employees.

930
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:37,120
some that were designated to do more programing were asked to watch the front desk.

931
01:58:43,300 --> 01:58:43,300
daniel laney, our library manager, really had to do some creative scheduling there.

932
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:47,680
and so even if this even if we weren't going to increase hours or do anything to the
Library, there

933
01:58:57,250 --> 01:58:57,250
was they were going to request additional staff just to cover what they do now.

934
01:59:01,330 --> 01:59:03,520
so option one would be no change. However, the request for additional staff would be would be needed and that would be two
Additional part time staff members.

935
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:12,520
option two, which you'll see adding 12 hours to the week, which will, as you when we get
To the next couple of slides, you'll see that's the recommendation that staff

936
01:59:21,850 --> 01:59:21,850
has. And that would require two additional full time and two additional part time to
Assist with programing and the front desk coverage.

937
01:59:30,220 --> 01:59:30,220
and then option three that added four hours is including a sunday adding four hours on
Sunday for citizens to use.

938
01:59:41,790 --> 01:59:41,790
so this is just a graph that kind of shows the current hours of operation.

939
01:59:46,770 --> 01:59:46,770
and then the three options, which option one is the same.

940
01:59:52,110 --> 01:59:52,110
as the current hours of operation.

941
01:59:59,200 --> 01:59:59,200
this is just the weekly programing at the library it's a little different than the
Community center.

942
02:00:03,690 --> 02:00:03,690
the library the majority of their programing is done by staff where at the community
Center we actually contract a lot of our programing out for our

943
02:00:13,670 --> 02:00:13,670
classes, so you can kind of see the it matches the current hours, how many programs we
Currently offer.

944
02:00:23,190 --> 02:00:23,190
per week and then how it would increase with the options.

945
02:00:29,060 --> 02:00:29,060
one, two and three, and then the full time staff equivalents increase.

946
02:00:36,970 --> 02:00:36,970
these are just some of the programs that we'd like to add to the program.

947
02:00:42,130 --> 02:00:42,130
one one that jumped out to me was the 24 hour pickup lockers.

948
02:00:46,220 --> 02:00:46,220
that's an additional services to those that maybe can't fit the schedule to pick up
Books.

949
02:00:52,450 --> 02:00:52,450
they can reserve books online and and materials online, not just books.

950
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:57,040
and they can go to the locker and use their library card and get the get the material
From the locker.

951
02:01:06,220 --> 02:01:09,970
some variety of programs that we'd like to add there. Again, I mentioned this earlier, staff recommends option two going from 48 hours to 60
Hours per week.

952
02:01:16,570 --> 02:01:16,570
this would add additional evening hours and saturday hours to all residents.

953
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:21,160
I guess more access to services and times convenient to most families.

954
02:01:28,590 --> 02:01:28,590
staffing levels would include sufficient front desk coverage and then also allow some of
Those that are designated to do programing to really focus on the programing.

955
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:43,490
one full time library assistant. One full time library program specialist. And then two part time assistants.

956
02:01:48,170 --> 02:01:50,160
and that is the presentation for the library. We'd be happy to answer questions.

957
02:01:52,370 --> 02:01:52,370
I promise if I don't have the answer, daniel laney as well as cynthia know their
Facilities about as well as anybody.

958
02:02:00,290 --> 02:02:02,120
so miss howarth. So we have door counts from the library.

959
02:02:05,660 --> 02:02:05,660
did we look into getting more evening and weekend hours by shifting times where we did
Less when people weren't coming and more

960
02:02:15,500 --> 02:02:15,500
when they were so that we could offer the more convenient times without adding staff?

961
02:02:21,170 --> 02:02:21,170
we have not looked at that like shifting less less hours in the morning and shifting it
To more in the evening.

962
02:02:28,790 --> 02:02:30,950
or closing monday. But tuesday through saturday you're open 12 hours or something like that where you could
Reshuffle the same staff members but get the hours for evenings and weekends that people

963
02:02:40,490 --> 02:02:40,490
are asking for. We have not looked at that due to the request for additional programs.

964
02:02:45,050 --> 02:02:47,850
I think it'd be difficult if we kept the hours and just shifted them. We'd still be limited on programing.

965
02:02:50,450 --> 02:02:50,450
okay. It's just the morning programs would then shift to afternoon and then the afternoon
May shift to the evening.

966
02:02:58,450 --> 02:03:02,350
okay. Does that make sense? I hope I answered your question. I was just curious if we've got hours of the day where usage is really, really low, then
Maybe those need to be at a different time.

967
02:03:10,750 --> 02:03:12,280
sure. Rather than hiring someone. Mr. Laney can address that.

968
02:03:18,180 --> 02:03:18,180
thank you, mayor and council and councilman howarth to answer the question about the
Morning versus the evening hours.

969
02:03:24,450 --> 02:03:24,450
we find that the heaviest hours of the day are actually in the morning and then again in
The evening.

970
02:03:28,740 --> 02:03:28,740
if we were, if there was a slower time of the day about lunchtime and I don't anticipate
It's really being able to close in the middle of the day.

971
02:03:34,620 --> 02:03:34,620
yeah. And in the mornings is when we have our families with young children that come to
The library before nap time and things like that.

972
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:41,760
okay. All right. I just want to make sure we weren't leaving a way cheaper option off the table.

973
02:03:47,460 --> 02:03:49,830
right. Thank you. I understand. Thanks, dan. [inaudible] yes.

974
02:03:53,580 --> 02:03:53,580
what's our. What kind of volunteers do we have with the library?

975
02:03:58,440 --> 02:03:58,440
we have volunteers that help with book circulation.

976
02:04:02,580 --> 02:04:06,480
they help stock books and check books in and out. And then they help with a little bit with the programing.

977
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:13,330
and we want to address that. Those are the ones I know of.

978
02:04:16,220 --> 02:04:16,220
so actually, our volunteers really don't usually check in and out the materials we leave
Our staff to be able to handle.

979
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:24,470
it's just it's I think it's important. But our volunteers do help us with processing certain materials, like covering materials,
Applying the mylar that helps protect the books, reshelving materials as

980
02:04:34,190 --> 02:04:34,190
well. We ensure that our volunteers are trained, but we do have a sort of a limited
Number of volunteers.

981
02:04:39,420 --> 02:04:39,420
during the summer we have a big increase in our student volunteers because they need their
Hours for nhs and things like that.

982
02:04:43,940 --> 02:04:43,940
and we also have an enormous need for volunteers during our summer reading program and so
It matches up in that way.

983
02:04:49,580 --> 02:04:49,580
but during the year most of our volunteers are adults and they help us with shelving and
With covering materials and certain types of processing.

984
02:04:58,610 --> 02:05:00,830
primarily our staff. We generally rely on to cover the the front desk answering our residents questions rather
Than relying on volunteers to do that.

985
02:05:10,220 --> 02:05:10,220
so adding additional events is not something that a volunteer would be able to.

986
02:05:14,690 --> 02:05:17,640
we have volunteers that help with events, but not lead. Not lead, not generally.

987
02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:19,830
we like to have that sort of that enormous responsibility of leading these events in the
Hands of staff so that, you know, as much as we love our volunteers, we can't force

988
02:05:29,670 --> 02:05:32,450
a volunteer to show up and run a program. Yeah, I understand. The second thing is, I don't know.

989
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:35,760
is it appropriate to ask what what kind of cost we're looking at or.

990
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:40,080
I have those numbers if you're interested.

991
02:05:45,210 --> 02:05:45,210
I didn't know what what we're discussion hopefully goes but yeah.

992
02:05:49,450 --> 02:05:49,450
yeah. Is there a particular well so an fte not all ftes are the same.

993
02:05:55,170 --> 02:05:56,490
so I'm just curious. Your option one is adding two.

994
02:05:59,190 --> 02:06:02,880
yeah. Part time. So what would option one cost? Option two. Sure.

995
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:03,990
okay. So option one, the part time library assistant and a part time program assistant.

996
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:09,480
what's that? He was asking for option one.

997
02:06:13,970 --> 02:06:13,970
option one, we no option but two new people to care for.

998
02:06:19,620 --> 02:06:22,070
to clarify option one was no change in hours. No change in hours. But we were going to request two additional part time positions even
In absence of expanding our hours.

999
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:28,100
we've had a tremendous increase in just the usage of the library and demands on our
Staff.

1000
02:06:32,990 --> 02:06:32,990
so for that, for a part time library assistant, it is $23,000 annually for a part time
Library assistant for a programing specialist, it's about

1001
02:06:42,710 --> 02:06:44,890
$27,000. Yeah. Okay. And then for option two, we'd be looking at two of those part time $23,000
Positions.

1002
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:51,920
the full time position with benefits runs to around $62,000.

1003
02:06:56,780 --> 02:06:56,780
and then the instead of the part time program specialist at $27, it would be $73.

1004
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:06,550
for a full time. 170. 181.

1005
02:07:08,860 --> 02:07:08,860
that sounds about right. I'm not a math person, but you're a book person.

1006
02:07:16,150 --> 02:07:16,150
option three it would be the same as that with an additional part time library assistant
$23,000.

1007
02:07:21,620 --> 02:07:23,900
okay. So about $200 k for option three. Okay. Okay.

1008
02:07:26,980 --> 02:07:28,450
yeah. Look at yours. We get the weekly updates from the city secretary, city manager.

1009
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:35,810
and I always look to see what y'all did this year. And one of the things I had requested [inaudible] last year stuff, and y'all are kicking
Butt.

1010
02:07:40,900 --> 02:07:40,900
I like it. You know, I like kids reading and adults reading all that stuff.

1011
02:07:45,370 --> 02:07:48,320
so anyway, thanks for the options. Appreciate it. Of course. Thank you.

1012
02:07:50,350 --> 02:07:53,200
mayor pro tem franks. Daniel, stay there. Okay, I will.

1013
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:59,020
sorry, I was looking. Sorry for interrupting a second. I was looking at the wrong slide. So one of the things in that survey was evening and weekend hours, but we're cutting back
On

1014
02:08:08,460 --> 02:08:12,360
the lateness of friday night. So if we don't have counts, why is that? So that was the one hour that was taken back for this, just to make the opening hours
Consistent for the 9:00 a.m.

1015
02:08:21,320 --> 02:08:21,320
each day. And it was sort of we could either have that one day, that is.

1016
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:27,400
a little different or we pull back that one hour and make saturdays a little longer,
Fridays, an hour shorter.

1017
02:08:34,060 --> 02:08:34,060
but the other days are all expanded.

1018
02:08:39,230 --> 02:08:40,700
and I shouldn't say that friday is shorter. It's just it's moved an hour earlier.

1019
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:44,960
time shifted. Yes.

1020
02:08:49,190 --> 02:08:49,190
that was something that we discussed in our meetings, and it was decided that the
Consistency of the hours has been an issue with our current schedule, because there are

1021
02:08:58,340 --> 02:08:58,340
some days that we open at ten and some days that we open at 11 and then some days that we
Close at 6 or 8 or 4.

1022
02:09:07,490 --> 02:09:07,490
and by making the hours as consistent as we can while expanding a considerable amount
With the option that we went with there for the hours.

1023
02:09:14,630 --> 02:09:14,630
yeah. Also, we're also trying to be consistent with both the library and the community
Center.

1024
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:20,920
so you'll see when we look at the hours of operation community center, we're also kind of
Focusing at that 9:00 opening.

1025
02:09:28,910 --> 02:09:32,690
but not closing. Consistent with opening, we're not closing. Right. Okay.

1026
02:09:36,080 --> 02:09:36,080
and on the closing time for the community center, actually, that was something that was
Also discussed.

1027
02:09:41,180 --> 02:09:41,180
libraries that are open into the evenings, typically 9 is a very late for a library to be
Open.

1028
02:09:47,810 --> 02:09:47,810
our slowest hour of the day, I should say the slowest half hour of the day is probably
7:30 to 8 on the nights that we close at 8, which was part of the decision to open 9 to

1029
02:09:57,760 --> 02:09:57,760
8 rather than 10 to 9 on those days was because we anticipate more people coming earlier
In the morning than between the hours of 8 and 9 to the library.

1030
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:07,320
whereas the community center would likely see a much heavier traffic during that hour of
The day.

1031
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:12,080
and on the weekends, you would expect even less later.

1032
02:10:16,980 --> 02:10:19,500
based on your presentation? Yes. During the weekends we tend to see more people during the peak sort of middle hours
Of the day.

1033
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:27,060
I'm not questioning you. I think I would agree with that. But there's no numbers behind it.

1034
02:10:30,510 --> 02:10:34,440
those are my big questions. Thank you, mr. Millsap. Okay. Go back to the other slide, the first first one.

1035
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:43,680
well, actually, the first one right there. Okay. When we look at our survey, we're looking at the request for more children's
Saturday programs, stem programs, teen programs,

1036
02:10:53,490 --> 02:10:53,490
and we're going over to the next page down in-person esl, it seems to be the least
Requested more in-person computers.

1037
02:11:01,740 --> 02:11:01,740
we could see computers because that's becoming so prevalent for everybody except old
People like me.

1038
02:11:07,110 --> 02:11:10,890
but the younger people are already picking it up, so it's less important. But esl, you know, we could almost say, well, let's have less of that because there's
Less requests.

1039
02:11:16,090 --> 02:11:16,090
but in reality, if you need esl, you need esl, very definite.

1040
02:11:21,550 --> 02:11:21,550
and so those people we don't definitely don't want to eliminate.

1041
02:11:25,630 --> 02:11:25,630
I think looking at the go back to the other options page.

1042
02:11:33,060 --> 02:11:35,300
there. Option two when it shows two additional full time two additional part time and a total of
8.5, I believe is 8.5 total employees

1043
02:11:45,180 --> 02:11:47,400
full time equivalent of be total employees. That's not the not adding up to what we're adding wanting to add because that wouldn't
Two full and two part time doesn't know that would be the total.

1044
02:11:56,070 --> 02:11:58,440
total yes. That's the one I'm in favor of. Okay. And then to address the point just a moment ago about the esl classes, there were a
Lot more options on the survey.

1045
02:12:05,370 --> 02:12:09,030
these were the highest chosen options, including esl. Esl has been difficult for us to implement because of the time that those classes take up
And we would need to be open during those those times for those classes.

1046
02:12:17,670 --> 02:12:17,670
and so these are everything on the screen, including the esl classes, were the highest
Requested, highest priorities of our residents on the survey.

1047
02:12:25,740 --> 02:12:25,740
and we're seeing more requests for english as a second language, where spanish is not
Just the only one that we're needing to

1048
02:12:35,220 --> 02:12:37,320
esl. That's correct. We have seen a high number of patrons requesting esl classes in arabic as well as
Vietnamese, as well as spanish.

1049
02:12:47,330 --> 02:12:51,140
mr. Lindsey. Thanks for the presentation. I think where we're at right now, it was just kind of a concession to try to keep the
Library open and minimize our staffing needs.

1050
02:13:00,200 --> 02:13:03,260
and it was done whenever sachse was much smaller. We've grown. We're almost 30,000 people maxing out.

1051
02:13:06,620 --> 02:13:06,620
I think people have expectations of what the core services are going to provide and
Standard hours of operation.

1052
02:13:14,300 --> 02:13:17,090
I like the consistency. I don't think we need sunday hours. I'm sure it's in the I know we'll be talking about the community center side.

1053
02:13:20,840 --> 02:13:20,840
same thing there. But I think being closed on sunday is still still a good thing, you
Know, for our staff.

1054
02:13:27,290 --> 02:13:29,960
and then also just the general needs on there, though. But so I'm all for option two there.

1055
02:13:33,410 --> 02:13:33,410
I think we're justified in that spending based on the new new homes and development that
We brought into sachse.

1056
02:13:42,830 --> 02:13:42,830
okay. And I would just pause for a second, see if anyone from the audience would like to
Speak on the library portion.

1057
02:13:51,070 --> 02:13:52,780
okay. Seeing none. The one thing I would just add, lance, before you go on to the community center is that I
Definitely favor option two.

1058
02:13:58,660 --> 02:14:00,610
I think it's that problem. I'd love to have to be honest, you know, as to piggyback on what ms.

1059
02:14:04,660 --> 02:14:04,660
howarth said at the beginning, it's not really enough to shift the hours around because
Really correct me if I'm wrong, what's really driving this is trying to wanting to add

1060
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:16,280
these additional programs. Yes. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And so, again, that's a great problem to have, in my opinion, because that means
That's what our community wants we're just trying to provide that.

1061
02:14:23,590 --> 02:14:23,590
and yes, it will cost some more money, but I think that's an investment well spent
Because it's something that our residents want.

1062
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:28,840
and by the way, daniel, take this opportunity to tell you that the library's done a great
Job.

1063
02:14:35,110 --> 02:14:35,110
and the fact that we're getting these type of requests for programs means that we're
Obviously in tune with what our residents want.

1064
02:14:44,980 --> 02:14:44,980
and I appreciate that because, as you know, based on the survey comment you made, there
Are a lot of different opinions on what we should offer.

1065
02:14:52,970 --> 02:14:52,970
and so I just want to take this quick opportunity to tell you that you all are doing a
Great job over there, and I think this reflects that.

1066
02:14:59,270 --> 02:15:01,700
so thank you, mr. Mayor, very much. Appreciate that.

1067
02:15:03,890 --> 02:15:05,720
all right, mr. Prestenberg, sorry. Hey, real quick.

1068
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:09,100
assuming one of these passes tonight is we're not voting on it tonight.

1069
02:15:13,450 --> 02:15:16,710
we're just. Oh, I thought it said to recommend. No, just discuss.

1070
02:15:18,850 --> 02:15:19,970
oh, well, okay. Well, nothing happens tonight.

1071
02:15:23,230 --> 02:15:26,170
we're going to give them direction. Okay. All right. Just curious. But you will get a chance, I promise.

1072
02:15:29,110 --> 02:15:29,110
all right. I'll just I'll talk to you later.

1073
02:15:33,530 --> 02:15:36,970
is that like I do? [inaudible] and councilman prestenberg just addressed the volunteer situation.

1074
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:42,730
we love our volunteers in sachse. I mean, we just had the clean up and we had 250 volunteers, but we have seen a little
Decline in library volunteers and even at some of our

1075
02:15:52,750 --> 02:15:53,800
community events. So I think it's since we've seen that drop since covid, to be honest with you.

1076
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:59,510
okay. On to the community center.

1077
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:12,000
so, yes. Michael j. Felix community center, very similar slides here.

1078
02:16:17,460 --> 02:16:17,460
that same survey also addressed programing for all ages.

1079
02:16:22,530 --> 02:16:22,530
and they also, as you can see, the highest percentage was requests for more community
Events.

1080
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:29,520
as you know, our community events are well attended, supported by our citizens and sachse
More than I've ever seen in any community that I've been in.

1081
02:16:38,370 --> 02:16:38,370
so and then also we talked about we've been talking about trying to look at opportunities
Open on mondays to provide more opportunities and also evening

1082
02:16:48,090 --> 02:16:48,090
programs. So the residents want us to prioritize those things that I just mentioned.

1083
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:55,200
but again, same situation as the library as we look at these adding more programs opening
On monday, staying open late and being consistent with the hours, it

1084
02:17:05,130 --> 02:17:08,330
will take additional staff. So this is a current hours at the community center, 52 hours per week.

1085
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:13,280
we're closed monday and sunday and monday.

1086
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:20,230
and it provides opportunities in the gym for open gym time and some other programing
Activities there.

1087
02:17:28,820 --> 02:17:30,320
so this is a little bit different. This option one is not the same as what we currently have.

1088
02:17:34,550 --> 02:17:37,570
option one is to increase the hours. 52 hours per week to 62 hours a week.

1089
02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:43,780
this would include our mondays. This would require one additional full time recreation specialist.

1090
02:17:50,060 --> 02:17:53,060
primarily responsible for helping with programing. And then we would request one additional part time staff to assist with the front desk.

1091
02:17:59,210 --> 02:17:59,210
option two again, this is the one that staff is recommending would increase it from 52 to
66 hours per week, including

1092
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:08,480
mondays would require one additional full time recreation specialist with programing and
Two part time staff to cover the desk area.

1093
02:18:17,300 --> 02:18:19,550
and when I say desk, that's not all they do. They help with activity, they help with special events, they help with pretty much
Everything.

1094
02:18:23,930 --> 02:18:23,930
everyone at the community center and at the library do pretty much everything in the
Facilities.

1095
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:30,080
and then option three would increase it to 76 hours per week.

1096
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:35,120
this is adding that sunday.

1097
02:18:42,030 --> 02:18:42,030
this is again, a graph of the current hours that we currently have and then option one,
Two and three.

1098
02:18:50,380 --> 02:18:50,380
and the hours per day that will be open.

1099
02:18:57,790 --> 02:19:00,250
and this is the programing and staffing level. So as you look on the chart on the left, you can see what we currently have as far as 52
Hours a week, how many weekly classes we have,

1100
02:19:09,970 --> 02:19:09,970
open basketball time, open pickleball time, and then free play, and then how that
Increases with the addition of staff at the community center.

1101
02:19:23,450 --> 02:19:23,450
these are just some events that we've talked about openly with staff at the community
Center and with our programing and program specialists and.

1102
02:19:34,540 --> 02:19:38,170
we'd like to add some kind of, we do daddy daughter. We like to add a mother son round up.

1103
02:19:40,720 --> 02:19:42,830
we look at summer teen nights. What daniel didn't mention is, we've seen a tremendous growth that's a very difficult age
Group to program for.

1104
02:19:49,810 --> 02:19:49,810
but in the library daniel has had much success in programing for teens and we think that
Can translate over to the community center.

1105
02:19:58,300 --> 02:19:58,300
summer nights is a more general program that it's not structured like teenagers don't
Like structure.

1106
02:20:06,190 --> 02:20:08,920
it's like to come in and enjoy themselves. And then the bottom one, the train, I'm going to get this wrong traveling recreational
Activities in nature so that we're proposing in the

1107
02:20:18,610 --> 02:20:18,610
budget to have a trailer that has, at red, white and blue blast, we have the big games,
The jenga and all that.

1108
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:25,990
we want to have a trailer that's available for those that reserve a pavilion can use.

1109
02:20:31,870 --> 02:20:31,870
we can take it to our events just opportunities for the community to have another
Resource for activities.

1110
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:39,280
so with this you can again, just the current staff at 4.5 and how both indoor and outdoor
Special events would

1111
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:49,120
increase with the additional staff members.

1112
02:20:53,570 --> 02:20:53,570
and I don't know who said it earlier, but I think councilman lindsay mentioned, I think
As we approach the buildout, the focus has become more on quality of life,

1113
02:21:03,320 --> 02:21:07,070
and leisure services certainly falls into that category. We've seen more demand and just why I said the attendance at both these facilities.

1114
02:21:15,050 --> 02:21:16,310
so these are the options. Options one, two and three.

1115
02:21:21,420 --> 02:21:21,420
option one is to add two summer concerts in the park include some activities for national
Recreation and parks and recreation month.

1116
02:21:30,690 --> 02:21:34,560
a couple teen nights at the community center and a mother son event. Option two, again, which is we're going to recommend three summer concerts in the park.

1117
02:21:40,920 --> 02:21:40,920
the national parks and recreation month activities.

1118
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:45,030
three summer teen nights at the community center, a mother son event, a fall fair event,
And a mobile recreation trailer for rentals.

1119
02:21:52,920 --> 02:21:52,920
and then again, the option three there would add another concert and everything else that
We mentioned in option two.

1120
02:22:03,010 --> 02:22:03,010
staff recommends option two, increase hours from 52 to 66.

1121
02:22:08,140 --> 02:22:09,310
open mondays. Additional evening and mondays for more programing opportunities.

1122
02:22:16,210 --> 02:22:19,150
for more open gym time programing for all ages. Increased staffing level which again reiterate which would help with additional special
Events as well as hours of operation covering the front

1123
02:22:28,540 --> 02:22:28,540
desk. Again, when we first opened the community center, it's been a process as we've
Started opening, I think we had three employees when we

1124
02:22:38,530 --> 02:22:40,630
first opened and we were very limited. We thought, well, we can watch the front desk with one person.

1125
02:22:44,020 --> 02:22:44,020
it didn't go very well because it's hard because when something happens downstairs, that
Person goes down.

1126
02:22:48,890 --> 02:22:52,270
you really need two people at the front desk to cover the community center. So we've added some staff through the years since 2020.

1127
02:22:57,790 --> 02:22:57,790
so this includes all of that.

1128
02:23:04,420 --> 02:23:06,430
and I will be happy to answer any questions. But like daniel, cynthia has a lot more answers than I do, so you might as well start
Walking up here.

1129
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:17,890
sorry, I don't have any questions yet, but we'll see. Questions. Comments from the council.

1130
02:23:20,530 --> 02:23:24,070
mayor pro tem franks? To say it, but I'll say it anyway.

1131
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:25,510
I've been wanting this place open on monday since before it even was built, so I'm happy
To see that on essentially all options.

1132
02:23:35,480 --> 02:23:39,290
on the monday on option two and option three, 9 to 9. Monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday.

1133
02:23:42,200 --> 02:23:42,200
are we concerned that we're not going to get much activity on friday or saturday on those
Later hours?

1134
02:23:49,620 --> 02:23:52,180
do you want to answer that or? I can. Okay. So I have noticed that on fridays in general, the traffic starts to slow down
Around

1135
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:01,760
6:00, 6:30, and same on saturdays, usually by 4:00, it starts to, the traffic starts to
Kind of taper off.

1136
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:14,480
I don't disagree. I'm just thinking in continuity. As we talked about the library, some days you're open a little bit earlier, sometimes
You're open a little bit late.

1137
02:24:18,980 --> 02:24:18,980
same thing, by the way, daniel, I can help you with volunteers later.

1138
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:24,550
yeah, I mean, the minimum to me is open on mondays and option two is the best option for
Me.

1139
02:24:32,440 --> 02:24:36,420
but that's just me. Other questions or comments from council.

1140
02:24:39,660 --> 02:24:41,490
mr. Prestenberg? Yes. I'm assuming later on we'll hear more about the costs associated with the felix
Center hours.

1141
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:51,510
absolutely. Okay. Ms. Wiseman does have information on that.

1142
02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:54,120
okay. I think at the very minimum, option two, but option three for if we're going to see
What works for me, since that's what mayor pro tem franks was

1143
02:25:03,630 --> 02:25:03,630
doing, I think option three, I mean, just the idea of having maybe not at 9 a.m., but
Maybe at noon at the after church crowd,

1144
02:25:14,670 --> 02:25:14,670
being able to have somewhere to go to do some things I know with my family and with some
Others, sunday was always a good thing because our local gym,

1145
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:24,600
not that we're supposed to mention other things, but our local gym does not have anything
For kids, you know, on sundays and on saturdays in the afternoon.

1146
02:25:33,210 --> 02:25:33,210
so I like this.

1147
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:38,280
I think mondays being open is pivotal for us.

1148
02:25:42,990 --> 02:25:42,990
I do like being able to rent it though, for my kids soccer team to come play.

1149
02:25:48,990 --> 02:25:50,790
so this is going to kind of stink. But at least they'll have open gym time or whatnot to go and do this.

1150
02:25:54,090 --> 02:25:54,090
but but looking forward to the outside concerts, those things, once everything kind of
Gets in place, that that's a huge.

1151
02:26:04,140 --> 02:26:06,630
draw for the city. So good ideas. Thank you. And I appreciate you bringing up the rentals because I think all of these
Options are going to impact the rentals at the community center with really only if we

1152
02:26:16,620 --> 02:26:16,620
do option 1 or 2, really only having that sunday to reserve it.

1153
02:26:22,500 --> 02:26:22,500
there are some evenings that are available, but right now mondays it gets rented pretty
Regularly.

1154
02:26:27,450 --> 02:26:30,150
so that shift would definitely go over to sunday. Is that a huge revenue hit?

1155
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:32,720
I would imagine it's not a revenue, but I think the community likes the convenience of
Having a place that they can use.

1156
02:26:38,760 --> 02:26:42,680
absolutely. Ms. Buhler?

1157
02:26:44,190 --> 02:26:45,980
thank you guys for this presentation. Can you go over cost for us for each option?

1158
02:26:52,140 --> 02:26:52,140
so specifically you want each options or option two.

1159
02:26:56,190 --> 02:26:56,190
okay, so option one with the addition of one part timer was 23,800.

1160
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:02,880
and then for the one full time rec specialist, it's 94,000.

1161
02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:07,590
and then for option to the two rec aides 47,600 and then the 94,000 for the full time.

1162
02:27:17,290 --> 02:27:17,290
an option 3, 71,400 for the three part timers and the 94,000 for the full time.

1163
02:27:31,320 --> 02:27:31,320
can you tell us some more information about the summer concerts?

1164
02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:36,120
what do you all have in mind? So some of our ideas for the summer concerts were we wanted
To do, of course, bands

1165
02:27:45,420 --> 02:27:48,330
or things of that nature. We really thought that it might be great to have those at new park that's coming up.

1166
02:27:54,090 --> 02:27:57,480
sachse there's tons of space. We thought it would be awesome because we have the splash pad.

1167
02:28:00,840 --> 02:28:00,840
kids could do that. We have the sand volleyball and then adding some of those yard games,
Which was part of our idea too with the recreational.

1168
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:15,000
the recreational trailer that we could also bring things like that out to our events. And it's going to have places for food trucks.

1169
02:28:17,430 --> 02:28:19,930
so it seemed kind of like the perfect spot. So those are just some of the ideas that staff has.

1170
02:28:22,500 --> 02:28:25,530
and I do have some numbers that we've come up with for those. So like for, sorry.

1171
02:28:29,340 --> 02:28:29,340
so like for our option two, which is the one that we're suggesting, if we did three
Summer concerts, it came to 35,700 because we do have to

1172
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:42,280
reserve like the stage and the bands and all those things. So that's three, three of them.

1173
02:28:44,650 --> 02:28:47,380
so we're considering those items tonight as well. Increased budget is not in addition to the additional staff?

1174
02:28:52,660 --> 02:28:55,640
I'm sorry. Well, we're not doing any budget tonight. We're just giving them direction on.

1175
02:28:57,260 --> 02:28:59,540
but that will come back at a later date. Yeah, I think it's important to know that any time you add programs, there's additional
Costs, not just with staffing, but also with supplies, materials, rentals,

1176
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:10,760
reservations and stuff like that. So yes, and that is that will be all part of the budget process.

1177
02:29:14,900 --> 02:29:18,470
as it comes to you from the city manager, we'll have all that. All the supplementals that we've requesting.

1178
02:29:23,060 --> 02:29:23,060
is the 94,000 for one full time in line with what we currently have?

1179
02:29:27,580 --> 02:29:31,180
because that just seems really high with. With all the.

1180
02:29:33,670 --> 02:29:33,670
yeah, with all the full benefits and it's a degreed position, bachelor's degree required.

1181
02:29:39,470 --> 02:29:39,470
it is right in line with what we've had a specialist in the past and that lines up with
What we've had in the past.

1182
02:29:46,490 --> 02:29:46,490
thank you. Yeah, I would just reset things a little bit in the sense that we're giving
Direction tonight.

1183
02:29:53,390 --> 02:29:53,390
if for some reason we did not want to do anything with both the library or the community
Center, then obviously this would not the budget would not change coming up.

1184
02:30:01,130 --> 02:30:02,420
so we want to give them direction. We're not quite there yet, but we want to give them direction on whether to pursue those
Budget considerations.

1185
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:10,510
ms. Howarth? I just totally forgot what I was going to ask.

1186
02:30:12,660 --> 02:30:16,590
I can come back to you. No. Good. I think we're. I'd like to see some more activity.

1187
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:19,830
I mean, we're adding two parks or we're redoing heritage park or adding jc sachse.

1188
02:30:24,960 --> 02:30:24,960
we have some facilities that we haven't had in the past, and I'd like to see us use them.

1189
02:30:29,130 --> 02:30:29,130
I think option two is a reasonable.

1190
02:30:35,570 --> 02:30:38,780
move forward to get those hours on monday. I just would like to make sure that we we keep an eye on our hours and that if we figure
Out that  we're not, we're getting three people in the last

1191
02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:48,680
hour that we're willing to shift them or shorten them if we, if that comes up as well.

1192
02:30:53,720 --> 02:30:53,720
because I'd hate for us to be there and pay for it and then not have folks using it.

1193
02:30:59,810 --> 02:31:01,940
if people are using it all day long, that's great. But if we've got issues with nobody showing up till ten or if we've got big humps in our
Data from door count that we would like to address those as they come up.

1194
02:31:12,300 --> 02:31:15,690
just philosophically. Mr. Millsap?

1195
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:17,280
okay. I think option two, you look at it, you really difference between option two and
Option one is just adding one part time employee from the implied

1196
02:31:26,790 --> 02:31:28,190
cost. Option two. A full timer and a part timer on one.

1197
02:31:31,050 --> 02:31:32,730
yes, you're exactly right. Option two is adding one full time and option one is an additional part time, two part
Time and one full time.

1198
02:31:42,330 --> 02:31:43,410
option one is one, right? You're getting two part timers, but you're getting a full time in one.

1199
02:31:46,350 --> 02:31:47,910
yes. Yes, sir. You're getting a one. So you're only getting one full timer on two, but you're getting two part timers on two,
But only one.

1200
02:31:52,170 --> 02:31:54,390
so really it's the only difference overall. But sounds like we're getting more bang for our buck.

1201
02:31:57,000 --> 02:32:00,150
yes. So I think I'd go for option two. To say all that part time full time really fast.

1202
02:32:03,540 --> 02:32:03,540
mr. Lindsey?

1203
02:32:07,820 --> 02:32:07,820
I know. Mr. Millsap, earlier you mentioned, you know, the esl courses on the library
Side.

1204
02:32:13,910 --> 02:32:13,910
I know that's part of as I see the change in demographics in sachse and it's certainly
Not, you know, usually you think of esl as being spanish to english,

1205
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:23,750
but we have a lot of different cultures that have really taken residence inside of
Sachse.

1206
02:32:28,850 --> 02:32:31,490
so sort of like the esl and the library side. I look at these concerts, the various things that we're doing to get people out of their
Houses, to get them out from behind their computer and out.

1207
02:32:37,730 --> 02:32:37,730
so to me, this is a core service that's totally worth spending the money on and getting
Our community together.

1208
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:47,840
so fully supported option two there. Thank you. Thank you, ms. Buhler?

1209
02:32:49,020 --> 02:32:51,470
and I just want to clarify, I do support option two as well. And I like I think we can readdress this every year, see what's working and what's not
Working.

1210
02:32:57,410 --> 02:32:57,410
but right now, I like the consistency of being closed on sundays and giving our staff a
Day off and we can kind of see where we go from there.

1211
02:33:06,210 --> 02:33:10,080
you know, we continue to decrease in popularity and usage. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I would piggyback on what lance has said in the very
Beginning.

1212
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:13,590
this has definitely been a growing process when we first started, and this is what we're
Seeing tonight, I believe, is the fruits of our labor.

1213
02:33:22,380 --> 02:33:22,380
we have just like we talked about the library, we have people that quite frankly, demand
Programs for our residents.

1214
02:33:29,610 --> 02:33:31,230
and same thing on the community center side. And and mayor pro tem frank said it well monday's been kind of a thorn in our side for a
Long time and so and let me say for the record, I'm for option two.

1215
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:44,300
I think that's important. That'll get us open on monday with ms. Buhler. I've want our staff to have sunday off.

1216
02:33:46,890 --> 02:33:50,520
so I definitely would not favor anything that would make them come in on sunday. And I think that, again, it's something that it's been it's been fun getting here because
Again, our residents see what we offer

1217
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:04,020
already and we do a good job with that and they want more. And so that's a great testament to the staff.

1218
02:34:06,540 --> 02:34:08,300
thank you, mayor. Absolutely. I think the the philosophy of this council and the staff has been to to slowly progress
And see what the needs of the community are and

1219
02:34:18,170 --> 02:34:20,990
and adapt and work that in. Because like I said, when we first opened, we only had three employees and we just kind
Of addressed the needs of the community.

1220
02:34:28,190 --> 02:34:31,520
I know one person standing next to you appreciates that, that's for sure. She was one of those three.

1221
02:34:32,540 --> 02:34:35,180
right. Thank you, lance. Thank you, cynthia. Anyone from the audience like to address the community center item?

1222
02:34:41,310 --> 02:34:43,990
seeing none. All right. Staff I'm assuming. Ms. Nash, you have direction. You want to talk?

1223
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:48,480
there you go. So, mayor and council. Lance, could you actually bring up the last slide for me, please?

1224
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:56,740
this slide? No, final slide. The next step slide.

1225
02:34:59,940 --> 02:34:59,940
here we go. So as we talked about at the beginning of this presentation, we were just
Looking really at direction and feedback.

1226
02:35:06,210 --> 02:35:06,210
and we appreciate getting that from everybody because this gives us an opportunity to
Continue to refine the numbers and get everything prepared for the budget process when we

1227
02:35:14,340 --> 02:35:16,710
actually bring the budget forward to you. And so it sounds like the direction we're getting from you all is for us to at least
Bring forth to you through the supplemental process, option two for both the library and

1228
02:35:25,470 --> 02:35:27,450
for the michael j. Felix community center. So we will bring that back to you in in the form of position requests and the subsequent
Programing items that go with those.

1229
02:35:36,090 --> 02:35:36,090
and then based on that, should you approve it in the process?

1230
02:35:40,650 --> 02:35:40,650
we wouldn't actually change the hours until the beginning of 2024 because we would need
Time to actually hire and train these folks and then be able to switch over to those

1231
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:50,280
hours. So remember, fiscal year doesn't start until october, so we wouldn't be able to
Actually even potentially, hopefully fill those positions in october.

1232
02:35:59,130 --> 02:36:03,040
and then we would need time to train and get everybody up to speed and on board. But this will give us the direction we need to prepare something.

1233
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:06,160
again, you'll have an opportunity to review this again as part of the 2324 budget.

1234
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:15,100
I do concur. I think option two is what the council wanted to go forward with. Any council member object to that?

1235
02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:22,960
seeing none, option two it is. Thank you, ms. Nash. Thank you, mr. Whitworth. Thank you, mayor.

1236
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:26,020
council, next item on the agenda is item e4. Receive an update on the animal shelter construction project and consider the proposed
Guaranteed maximum price or gmp.

1237
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:37,010
ms. Nash? Mayor and council, last but, certainly not least, it is time for former councilman king's
Favorite part of the meeting where we talk about puppies and kitties.

1238
02:36:45,950 --> 02:36:45,950
so the long awaited discussion about the animal shelter.

1239
02:36:51,560 --> 02:36:53,750
we do have a project update for you tonight. Chief sylvester will be giving the main overview, but you can see that we still have some
Guests that hung with us the entire meeting that are still here.

1240
02:37:01,940 --> 02:37:01,940
we have representatives here from steele and freeman, who is the construction manager at
Risk for the project.

1241
02:37:08,030 --> 02:37:08,030
and then we also have, of course, ron hobbs and donna stitch from ron's staff as the
Architects for the project.

1242
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:15,830
so we have all of the appropriate experts here to answer any specific questions.

1243
02:37:20,060 --> 02:37:20,060
but hopefully chief sylvester's presentation will give you what you need so we can move
Forward with the project.

1244
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:28,610
hopefully. I think he'll do a great job. Hello, chief. Hello, mayor. I appreciate the confidence there.

1245
02:37:31,610 --> 02:37:34,880
so it is great to be before you tonight. And sorry guys, I told them to be here a lot earlier than they were needed.

1246
02:37:38,810 --> 02:37:42,020
but you know, can't go wrong once they're here, right? One gentleman sitting behind me who knows all about that.

1247
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:45,680
so tonight, we're going to discuss where we are at with the project now and present to you
A guaranteed maximum price proposal from steele and freeman that we will ask

1248
02:37:55,610 --> 02:37:55,610
you to take action on tonight and we'll explain the steps relative to that as we go
Forward.

1249
02:38:01,940 --> 02:38:01,940
so to give you some background, as you're aware, we've been heavily involved in the
Design process.

1250
02:38:07,790 --> 02:38:07,790
all of the construction documents have been completed, which allowed for steele and
Freeman to push out for contractor bids for the

1251
02:38:17,630 --> 02:38:20,090
various divisions of the project. I think I'm correct in saying we had over 80 subcontractor responses, is that correct?

1252
02:38:25,130 --> 02:38:25,130
so across all of the divisions, which demonstrates to me that certainly.

1253
02:38:32,980 --> 02:38:36,910
we got numerous bids relative to each portion of the project. There's a lot of interest in the project and certainly many desirable contractors that
Want to be part of this process.

1254
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:46,150
steele and freeman is guaranteed a proposed guarantee - has proposed a guaranteed maximum
Price, which our design team, as well

1255
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:56,080
as our city manager and myself have reviewed with them, as well as our architect.

1256
02:39:03,160 --> 02:39:06,040
and we're going to be discussing that tonight. So I wanted to start.

1257
02:39:08,140 --> 02:39:08,140
we're going to be providing a lot more detail than the previous design that elements that
You have seen back in december

1258
02:39:17,770 --> 02:39:19,330
and prior to that. And I wanted to start from the inside of the facility out.

1259
02:39:23,380 --> 02:39:23,380
so as we proceed through this, we're going to talk about various components of this
Project.

1260
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:28,480
what you see here is a design drawing of the interior of the facility, which denotes, of
Course, the large kennel area in the back.

1261
02:39:39,080 --> 02:39:39,080
and moving forward of that, a lab slash examination room on the right hand side of the
Help, I use a

1262
02:39:48,860 --> 02:39:48,860
clicker. The lab there, an isolation area, which certainly is a component of our existing
Animal shelter that is

1263
02:39:58,280 --> 02:39:58,280
not. An isolation area in the context of being separate from the majority of the other
Kennels.

1264
02:40:06,140 --> 02:40:09,500
this would be definitely a needed improvement here. Food storage.

1265
02:40:10,970 --> 02:40:12,290
various other storage here. Food prep. A wash area.

1266
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:16,640
storage. A feral cat area.

1267
02:40:23,640 --> 02:40:23,640
a public restroom, of which we have a shared facility now, a locker room with a shower
And bathroom for our staff, which we don't have a shower

1268
02:40:33,270 --> 02:40:35,580
facility now. A nice open lobby, which you'll see on an exterior rendering that really promotes.

1269
02:40:43,790 --> 02:40:43,790
a inclusive feel, which I think is very important to the shelter.

1270
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:48,560
a reception area here that also invites contact with our citizens.

1271
02:40:53,900 --> 02:40:53,900
this is a cat condo area which will also be visible from the lobby area with our
Citizens.

1272
02:41:03,880 --> 02:41:07,570
another cat area here. The supervisor's office, a small break room area, a multi-purpose room, which, as we
Discussed in our last presentation, we would use

1273
02:41:17,530 --> 02:41:17,530
that as a secondary meet and greet area as we need an ability to offer multiple meet and
Greet areas at once.

1274
02:41:28,390 --> 02:41:28,390
going to the back here, just an outdoor dog run for walking animals that you'll see.

1275
02:41:33,340 --> 02:41:33,340
and of course, we still have access to the remainder of the grounds as available to walk
Other animals and such.

1276
02:41:41,410 --> 02:41:42,430
if you recall. And we'll talk about this a little further, the last rendering that we showed you a few
Months ago had an expanded overhang

1277
02:41:52,210 --> 02:41:52,210
porch here, a much more expanded porch and entrance area here that we have reduced in
Size and

1278
02:42:02,170 --> 02:42:02,170
scope. And we'll talk about why and what that looks like here in a couple more slides.

1279
02:42:09,100 --> 02:42:09,100
so I wanted to give some more detail to the type of equipment that we're going to bring
Into the facility.

1280
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:18,100
and we'll start with the the cat area. What you see there is the cat condo area at the top.

1281
02:42:21,640 --> 02:42:21,640
it may not necessarily be brown fabric in that context.

1282
02:42:25,750 --> 02:42:25,750
we'll just have to determine what's what's best fitting in the overall color scheme.

1283
02:42:30,370 --> 02:42:30,370
but that's an example of what the material itself is going to look like.

1284
02:42:34,870 --> 02:42:34,870
and of course, our kennels for our cats down here below.

1285
02:42:43,350 --> 02:42:46,080
relative to the kennel area for the dogs. This is a good depiction of what type of kennel that will look like.

1286
02:42:51,180 --> 02:42:54,800
and certainly. On that back area.

1287
02:42:56,180 --> 02:42:56,180
there are guillotine doors or partition doors between the inner kennel area and an outer
Kennel

1288
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:05,840
slash dog run area separated by fencing in between.

1289
02:43:10,070 --> 02:43:10,070
but this would be generally what the interior portion of the kennels would look like for
All of our kindling structures within the facility.

1290
02:43:22,010 --> 02:43:22,010
some other equipment right now, as you know, any animal that's of large size that we need
To wash and care for, we have to physically pick up

1291
02:43:31,730 --> 02:43:32,870
certainly this. And for any older dogs or older animals or animals of large size, this piece of equipment
Will give our staff an ability to

1292
02:43:42,590 --> 02:43:42,590
get the animal up in the wash basin without straining the back or doing anything or slip
And fall or anything like that.

1293
02:43:49,070 --> 02:43:49,070
so that will be in this area here as a wash basin.

1294
02:43:54,670 --> 02:43:58,060
in the lab equipment you would expect to see or things like this. This is retractable examination tray or a fold down, I should say, a scale, another wash
Area and some storage in that facility there.

1295
02:44:07,930 --> 02:44:07,930
this this may not necessarily be every single piece of equipment in this room, but this
Is the predominant features.

1296
02:44:14,620 --> 02:44:14,620
there will be some cabinetry, things like that.

1297
02:44:18,710 --> 02:44:18,710
and I wanted to talk a little bit about the differing flooring throughout the facility.

1298
02:44:24,890 --> 02:44:24,890
certainly recognizing that we want to get the most value for our dollar, but also that
It's extremely important to

1299
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:34,880
utilize materials that will be long lasting, durable, easy to clean, stand up to
Industrial strength, cleaning

1300
02:44:44,450 --> 02:44:48,080
chemicals and things like that. So in our back kennel area, we specified an epoxy flooring and we'll show you an example
Of that here in a little bit.

1301
02:44:53,930 --> 02:44:53,930
you're familiar with it in the kennel areas.

1302
02:44:58,970 --> 02:45:02,270
but it's not necessary in other parts of the facility. We went with sheet vinyl flooring within the work, the generalized work area that's not
Specifically accessible to the public on a

1303
02:45:12,170 --> 02:45:14,460
on a regular. Walk in basis within our janitorial closet, our maintenance room, storage area that's
Strictly sealed concrete.

1304
02:45:23,490 --> 02:45:23,490
there's no need to put any extravagant flooring or anything in there.

1305
02:45:28,770 --> 02:45:28,770
within our office areas, our multi-purpose room, the common area within the lobby area
That's going to have

1306
02:45:38,670 --> 02:45:42,440
it's described as a luxury vinyl tile. Now, let's not focus on the word luxury.

1307
02:45:46,460 --> 02:45:46,460
it is cost effective, long lasting quality appearance.

1308
02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:54,740
vinyl tile. Is that a pretty good description, ron? Okay. I didn't.

1309
02:45:56,730 --> 02:45:56,730
I said, I'm going to have a question about luxury, but here we go.

1310
02:46:01,700 --> 02:46:01,700
ceramic tile within our two restrooms, both employee and our public room.

1311
02:46:08,780 --> 02:46:08,780
and so you can see, although it's a diverse series of flooring, it's separated by
Programing predominantly and also managed for cost

1312
02:46:18,290 --> 02:46:18,290
effectiveness and durability.

1313
02:46:22,430 --> 02:46:23,780
some of the finishes. This is what generalized the epoxy floor would look like.

1314
02:46:28,340 --> 02:46:28,340
and and one other thing that was important to our design team and particularly our our
Employees that are going to be working in this facility is they wanted

1315
02:46:38,300 --> 02:46:38,300
to make it all complimentary.

1316
02:46:42,650 --> 02:46:42,650
complimentary surfaces and finishes that make it appealing to the public and pleasing to
The eye while still being durable and long lasting.

1317
02:46:52,250 --> 02:46:52,250
you can the other component here is that the facility as a whole should be complementary
To other city facilities so that it certainly is easily

1318
02:47:02,150 --> 02:47:05,870
recognizable as a city building. You'll see the limestone here that is similar to what is on the wall behind you and on the
Facade of this facility.

1319
02:47:13,130 --> 02:47:13,130
this will be an accent piece, certainly as we go through the project, you'll see where.

1320
02:47:17,810 --> 02:47:17,810
but it's not it does not make up a true significant portion of the facade or exterior of
The facility.

1321
02:47:25,320 --> 02:47:25,320
metal panels which complement all the other exterior and interior.

1322
02:47:32,380 --> 02:47:32,380
design finishes. Here is a, its metal siding.

1323
02:47:38,960 --> 02:47:38,960
I would make, I would say, analogous in the same concepts as siding on a residence, but
It's obviously much more durable, but it is

1324
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:48,710
still siding as opposed to some much more expensive component.

1325
02:47:54,920 --> 02:47:54,920
ceramic tile vinyl sheet floor and the luxury vinyl tile flooring that is elongated to
Resemble wood

1326
02:48:04,700 --> 02:48:06,680
flooring, but certainly is not. Wood flooring. So exterior.

1327
02:48:13,080 --> 02:48:15,720
we're going to talk about several different angles here. But you can you can see the concept here.

1328
02:48:18,660 --> 02:48:21,440
the the. The only portion of the facility that will have the significant glass and a partial porch
Overhang at the at the

1329
02:48:31,070 --> 02:48:33,680
primary entrance to the facility is at the front. The rest of the facility will be encased in this metal siding.

1330
02:48:41,730 --> 02:48:41,730
and if you'll look at this element up here, you can see the orientation as we're looking
At each of these slides relative to the facing of the facility.

1331
02:48:55,910 --> 02:48:55,910
so this is a view from generally sachse road.

1332
02:49:00,230 --> 02:49:00,230
this is what our citizens would see as they're driving down sachse road one direction or
Another.

1333
02:49:06,470 --> 02:49:06,470
and and we believe this presents a inviting, welcoming appearance to our animal shelter,
Encouraging folks to adopt our furry

1334
02:49:16,160 --> 02:49:16,160
friends. You can see how this ground slopes.

1335
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:22,000
this is a purposeful rendering here relative to how the land naturally slopes.

1336
02:49:30,070 --> 02:49:30,070
now, there's going to be some grading that takes place and compacted to allow for a
Foundation to be built on this site

1337
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:39,760
here. Looking from.

1338
02:49:47,200 --> 02:49:47,200
down towards. If you're looking at the animal shelter now, this would be off to the left
Area.

1339
02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:52,840
so coming from rowlett into or wylie into sachse, this is the view that you would see.

1340
02:50:01,140 --> 02:50:01,140
this area here is a doorway leading into the multi-purpose room.

1341
02:50:07,290 --> 02:50:07,290
again, glass surrounding the lobby area.

1342
02:50:15,830 --> 02:50:15,830
an exercise area encased with chain link fencing.

1343
02:50:20,920 --> 02:50:20,920
this originally was scheduled to be a hard drop retaining wall.

1344
02:50:28,520 --> 02:50:28,520
but relative to some value engineering, which we'll talk about here in a little while,
We're going to gradually grade this out, which allows for proper runoff, but also

1345
02:50:38,150 --> 02:50:38,150
eliminates a fairly significant cost for that wall.

1346
02:50:45,530 --> 02:50:47,420
this is the back of the facility. You can see that the individual.

1347
02:50:52,230 --> 02:50:52,230
exterior portions of the dog kennels, as well as an awning.

1348
02:50:56,580 --> 02:50:56,580
a protective awning to prevent the elements from having an undue impact on the animals.

1349
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:05,200
a sally port area for our staff.

1350
02:51:12,780 --> 02:51:12,780
and some additional slides just to orient you relative to where parking would be and some
Other things that we'll talk about here in a second.

1351
02:51:20,880 --> 02:51:20,880
public parking would be in the front directly off of sachse road handicap area here.

1352
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:28,110
staff parking. You just saw a slide depicting one of the animal control trucks backing into that area
And additional staff and city

1353
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:38,080
vehicle parking there that will certainly accommodate our existing staff, our existing
Vehicles with an additional 1 or 2 spaces available.

1354
02:51:50,520 --> 02:51:50,520
detention pond as we're going through the design process and consulting with the civil
Engineer assigned to the project, as well as our own in-house

1355
02:52:00,120 --> 02:52:00,120
civil engineer/public works director, it was soon realized that with the improvement of
This property the way it was going to be accomplished, there needed to be a

1356
02:52:09,930 --> 02:52:12,090
detention pond in place. So that is going to be built with all of the existing soil, millwork, and

1357
02:52:21,930 --> 02:52:24,780
various things that are at the site now. So we're not incurring the expense of hauling all of this off, but rather we're going to
Repurpose it to help facilitate this detention pond and other

1358
02:52:34,830 --> 02:52:34,830
potential sightline advantages that we can gain from adding this here and back along in
Here.

1359
02:52:45,630 --> 02:52:48,650
future considerations. One of the things that we were charged with in development of this project is looking at
The potential for a add on option for a

1360
02:52:58,430 --> 02:52:58,430
dog park. I've depicted where this potential dog park could be located.

1361
02:53:04,400 --> 02:53:04,400
I have not provided you with any estimated cost relative to that funding because frankly,
The cost of that could not be contemplated with this

1362
02:53:14,120 --> 02:53:15,560
bond funds anyway. And you'll see why in a few minutes.

1363
02:53:18,560 --> 02:53:18,560
additional parking, should it be necessary or advantageous to our citizens or any future
Considerations can be placed along in here.

1364
02:53:27,980 --> 02:53:27,980
and potentially this drive can be connected through the existing land to where the future
Country

1365
02:53:38,030 --> 02:53:38,030
country club drive extension is going to.

1366
02:53:42,190 --> 02:53:45,790
be built. So future considerations. The point being is that there are options that would be available to council should there
Be desire for any of these items going forward.

1367
02:53:56,400 --> 02:53:56,400
in the years ahead.

1368
02:54:00,830 --> 02:54:00,830
so what everyone has been waiting on.

1369
02:54:05,990 --> 02:54:05,990
so relative to the guaranteed maximum price, I'll be honest that when.

1370
02:54:14,250 --> 02:54:14,250
we were provided a proposed guaranteed maximum price a few weeks ago.

1371
02:54:19,110 --> 02:54:22,100
it was significantly over budget. Meaning over budget with everything else that is added within the project, it would have
Been well over $5 million.

1372
02:54:28,640 --> 02:54:28,640
so a lot of the value engineering that could have been available has taken place already.

1373
02:54:36,440 --> 02:54:36,440
there has been significant discussions with steel and framing the architect, myself as
Well as gina regarding how we can

1374
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:45,680
modify this facility to still provide what is going to be necessary for our community
Now, but also 15 or 20 years down the

1375
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:55,670
road to where we don't have to add money later on to accomplish an expansion.

1376
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:02,720
so relative to what we saw earlier.

1377
02:55:07,070 --> 02:55:07,070
the previous rendition that I provided you regarding the exterior denoted a much larger
And taller interior lobby structure and

1378
02:55:16,640 --> 02:55:16,640
also an extended porch.

1379
02:55:20,700 --> 02:55:20,700
we mentioned the retaining wall, various other small pieces in that context.

1380
02:55:25,020 --> 02:55:28,740
but as a cost savings measure, all of that has been removed. So we're still providing or accounting for all of the services, the programing, the
Availability, the the

1381
02:55:38,610 --> 02:55:38,610
kennel capacity that makes the shelter, what makes the proposed shelter what it is
Without fluff.

1382
02:55:50,150 --> 02:55:50,150
we also looked at value engineering, our lighting components within the facility and have
Shaved off.

1383
02:55:59,770 --> 02:55:59,770
pretty good chunk of money relative to that as well as some other.

1384
02:56:06,330 --> 02:56:09,540
smaller items that there's a whole list of them. But in the end, we were able to get under the guaranteed maximum price when you include.

1385
02:56:17,390 --> 02:56:20,270
the architectural and engineering fees. The furniture, fixtures and equipment.

1386
02:56:23,780 --> 02:56:26,120
miscellaneous soils and materials. Testing and surveys and printing requirements for a total project.

1387
02:56:31,250 --> 02:56:31,250
cost of $4,997,749.

1388
02:56:36,380 --> 02:56:36,380
what this also entails in this guaranteed maximum price is $156,000 in contingency funds
Spread

1389
02:56:46,280 --> 02:56:46,280
between steele and freeman and the owner, the city of sachse.

1390
02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:53,480
that is discretionary use in that context. And certainly if that is not utilized, that will be returned to the city.

1391
02:56:57,860 --> 02:56:57,860
I would also remind council that as we go forward in this project, any other project
Savings that are realized through either lowering of cost of

1392
02:57:07,640 --> 02:57:07,640
labor and materials or whatever it may be, any savings in that context reverts to the
City as well.

1393
02:57:20,850 --> 02:57:23,690
so next steps. What we're asking for tonight is an approval of steele and freeman's guaranteed maximum
Price.

1394
02:57:31,050 --> 02:57:31,050
if you approve that, I will bring back a guaranteed maximum price amendment.

1395
02:57:36,390 --> 02:57:36,390
that is an amendment to the original contract that council approved for steele and
Freeman several months ago.

1396
02:57:42,720 --> 02:57:42,720
we will then immediately start pre-construction meetings.

1397
02:57:46,740 --> 02:57:46,740
schedule a groundbreaking ceremony for july of 2023 and we would anticipate completion of
The entire project by the fall of

1398
02:57:55,620 --> 02:57:55,620
2024. I don't want to give you a specific month because you know how that goes.

1399
02:58:01,290 --> 02:58:03,810
things happen. Perhaps we get done earlier. That would be what I would be shooting for.

1400
02:58:06,040 --> 02:58:08,670
well, you've got september 21st to december 21st. That's right. So, as gina mentioned, we have representatives from steele and freeman
Here.

1401
02:58:17,070 --> 02:58:20,340
and of course, our architect, ron hobbs, is here. If there are any questions specific to them or things that I can't answer, they are
Certainly available.

1402
02:58:27,540 --> 02:58:30,900
and I'm happy to take your questions. Thank you, chief. Questions. Comments from council. Mr.

1403
02:58:36,520 --> 02:58:36,520
lindsey?

1404
02:58:42,500 --> 02:58:46,290
I know we were hoping for, I certainly was. For a little bit lower.

1405
02:58:47,540 --> 02:58:47,540
but I do recognize changes in the marketplace just in a couple of years since we passed a
Bond.

1406
02:58:55,550 --> 02:58:58,010
I think I'm good with everything I see here. I'm just hoping to be able to get a little bit more detail.

1407
02:59:02,570 --> 02:59:04,400
how much is the grading work? How much is this and what was the structure itself?

1408
02:59:08,840 --> 02:59:08,840
and I'm not looking for that necessarily tonight, though, but I just think it's important
That we really go we have a list of the breakdowns that whenever we're out talking

1409
02:59:18,770 --> 02:59:21,740
to citizens and so forth, how did we arrive to this cost? Because this is basically, oh, blank check for $5 million.

1410
02:59:26,150 --> 02:59:30,140
you come in 4.97. So I would really like to understand all the meat. I have no doubt that you've done all the diligence in the world and I have complete trust
In us going forward on there, but I just definitely love

1411
02:59:40,010 --> 02:59:42,000
to be able to share that. I know we've gotten some criticism like, oh, well, you could throw a structure up for $1
Million.

1412
02:59:46,140 --> 02:59:49,560
I know that there's there's so much more to it. Hvac, you know, just the grading work, how much the parking lots cost, all those
Different things that would help me out a lot and and justifying this.

1413
02:59:57,720 --> 02:59:59,940
thank you. Thank you. Ms.

1414
03:00:02,480 --> 03:00:02,480
howarth? Yeah.

1415
03:00:07,580 --> 03:00:10,700
thank you for paying attention to the budget on this. I, too, was hoping, fingers crossed, that we were going to come in at a different number.

1416
03:00:16,970 --> 03:00:16,970
but I know I'm grateful that you and the staff were very cognizant of the constraints on
The budget

1417
03:00:26,810 --> 03:00:26,810
for this and that, how important it was that we stay under the bond number for this and
That, and also weighing that with

1418
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:36,800
a useful sanitary, durable building that gets the work done that needs to get done
Between now and the time for the next 30

1419
03:00:46,790 --> 03:00:50,510
years, because that's how long it's going to take us to pay for this. So I'm good with what I see.

1420
03:00:53,150 --> 03:00:55,370
I have a little bit of concern. Are we confident that just grading and not doing retaining walls is sufficient?

1421
03:01:00,560 --> 03:01:00,560
we're not going to have foundation problems or water problems or I don't want to be
Coming back and I'm thinking about we have some structures here in town like the fire

1422
03:01:10,220 --> 03:01:10,220
station two that are maybe not built the way they should have been because we're trying
To save money and now they're not lasting like we want them to last.

1423
03:01:18,090 --> 03:01:21,170
are we confident about this? I certainly understand that concern. And although tonight I was not, the context of every single detail and how those
Decisions were

1424
03:01:31,130 --> 03:01:31,130
arrived at, certainly we can have further conversation about those things.

1425
03:01:35,420 --> 03:01:35,420
happy to. But I will tell you specifically about the retaining wall, about the
Foundation, those type of things.

1426
03:01:44,050 --> 03:01:44,050
all of those design elements were in direct communication and.

1427
03:01:53,030 --> 03:01:53,030
critical thinking and evaluation, not only amongst the architect and steele and freeman,
But also an independent civil engineer outside of the city.

1428
03:02:02,960 --> 03:02:02,960
so I would not be if I had any concern, I wouldn't be bringing it forth to you.

1429
03:02:09,580 --> 03:02:12,380
okay. I don't want to save a penny. And no, I agree.

1430
03:02:14,180 --> 03:02:17,660
I absolutely agree. Okay. All right. Everything else I see, I'm glad that I'm like love to see the shower.

1431
03:02:21,710 --> 03:02:21,710
I know that that's been an issue with, you know, skunked staff.

1432
03:02:26,330 --> 03:02:27,580
if you've been sprayed,. You don't have a way to don't have to clean up, don't have a way to clean up until they go
Home, which I think is just, oh, they're good gold stars for dealing with skunks.

1433
03:02:37,340 --> 03:02:37,340
and it seems to have the space that we need in a for the community of the size.

1434
03:02:43,430 --> 03:02:47,180
so thank you. Mr. Millsap? Could you go to the slide that shows the plot plan that has country club road on it?

1435
03:03:02,530 --> 03:03:04,570
this one. Yeah, that one. Okay. Just on the surface looking at it.

1436
03:03:10,890 --> 03:03:10,890
I think additional parking there is a good, good thing because you're going to need to
Grow my.

1437
03:03:19,700 --> 03:03:19,700
immediate thought. My first impression is if you have the parking where it is and you
Have the connection to country club road.

1438
03:03:26,150 --> 03:03:29,610
when you park, you're going to have to walk across oncoming traffic. Could we just maybe reverse them to where connection is, where the blue is and the blue
Is where the?

1439
03:03:38,050 --> 03:03:41,630
see what I'm saying? No, no, I see your point. I think in the context of a driveway, it's not a street.

1440
03:03:45,500 --> 03:03:45,500
it's a driveway of which there's two, there would be two entrances to the facility.

1441
03:03:51,350 --> 03:03:51,350
just as if we have parking in on our own campus here, there's parking on both sides.

1442
03:03:58,530 --> 03:03:58,530
right. And I'm assuming that if you're parking there and you're going to the animal
Shelter, you're most likely or not most likely, but you're very likely to have an animal

1443
03:04:08,480 --> 03:04:11,780
with you on a leash. And could be. I'd rather not to run the chance of having to walk in front of a car even though it's a
Driveway, not a street.

1444
03:04:17,510 --> 03:04:17,510
that's obviously. Yes, there, the one that showed the contour lines and the drainage or
The retention pond.

1445
03:04:26,750 --> 03:04:27,800
I'm not saying anything. I know it's there for visual purposes only, but I'm not sure that the contour lines
Indicated would get you water to run into the retention pond.

1446
03:04:35,150 --> 03:04:38,050
and the way they're laid out there. It's not. You're absolutely correct.

1447
03:04:40,190 --> 03:04:43,790
yeah. It's not laid out in the context of accuracy. Yeah, but certainly, and relative to the parking, specifically, we can certainly take
Another look at that.

1448
03:04:51,410 --> 03:04:54,080
and relative to orientation. I don't think it'd be any additional cost or maybe.

1449
03:04:57,670 --> 03:05:00,260
it's just where you put the straps; right? Spots on. That's the way I think of it.

1450
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:02,000
yeah, of course I'm a cop. That's what I'm saying is just my first opinion looking at it.

1451
03:05:06,830 --> 03:05:06,830
okay. If I park up there and I have a dog on a leash or a cat that doesn't want me to
Hold it, and I have to look for cars going both ways, even though it's a driveway, not a

1452
03:05:16,610 --> 03:05:16,610
street that would eliminate that potentially eliminate that potential problem.

1453
03:05:21,980 --> 03:05:24,980
that might be something to look at. Thank you. Obviously, we're using up the entire 5 million bucks.

1454
03:05:30,440 --> 03:05:32,180
not necessarily. No, no, no. What you're saying, though, it's it's contingency is there and the potential savings when
Will we be getting after this is done

1455
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:42,080
a list of additional amenities and resources that's going to be needed to actual move in?

1456
03:05:48,190 --> 03:05:48,190
because my concern is I don't get into the position we were with the felix center when we
Did this, this and this and then found out, oh, we had to add this and add

1457
03:05:58,020 --> 03:05:58,020
that. So the cost goes up and because we've already used up our 5 million.

1458
03:06:02,310 --> 03:06:04,380
so it means that we have the potential. I'm not saying we're doing it by any means, but I sure don't want to wind up having to
Come back to the city council and say we need to have some more money because we got to

1459
03:06:13,680 --> 03:06:15,840
have these things to move into. And I hope those are things are included.

1460
03:06:19,290 --> 03:06:22,590
and I and I appreciate that comment and I agree 100% with your comment. And I normally do not say absolutes and I won't say absolutely in this case.

1461
03:06:27,810 --> 03:06:27,810
right. But there is a budget for ff&a and we're going to stick to it.

1462
03:06:34,500 --> 03:06:34,500
fortunately, a lot of the high value and high dollar equipment has already been plugged
Into this equation through the construction project.

1463
03:06:42,930 --> 03:06:42,930
but things like desks and chairs and, you know, various things like that, computer,
Computer equipment, things like that, those are accounted

1464
03:06:52,800 --> 03:06:54,720
for in that ffa budget. And we were pretty detailed in that estimate.

1465
03:06:59,250 --> 03:07:00,810
it's not, hey, let's throw a figure out. Let's let's talk about the different type of things that we want to put in it.

1466
03:07:05,280 --> 03:07:05,280
now, there may be a price difference here or there on relative to a piece of equipment,
But we're going to stick to that

1467
03:07:14,820 --> 03:07:17,400
budget. Okay. Mayor pro tem franks?

1468
03:07:26,070 --> 03:07:28,720
so, chief. So. Mayor pro tem franks, how are you? You know, living the dream.

1469
03:07:32,090 --> 03:07:34,100
nightmare, dream, whatever. The cost of materials continues to amaze me as well.

1470
03:07:39,380 --> 03:07:39,380
we were pretty optimistic when we started this bond process.

1471
03:07:43,430 --> 03:07:46,500
that 5 million would be plenty. You know, we should come in way under budget and with every project that we do not
Buildings, streets.

1472
03:07:54,700 --> 03:07:54,700
anything. It amazes me, the cost of materials.

1473
03:08:01,370 --> 03:08:02,510
I'm happy with the process. I'm not happy with the outcome and the the the final cost.

1474
03:08:07,010 --> 03:08:07,010
but that's that's not due to us putting in a bunch of bells and whistles that we don't
Need.

1475
03:08:11,750 --> 03:08:15,230
there's not much extravagance here. Could we make it smaller? Probably we could eliminate some kennels and some areas, but then we're not building the
The project that we need now or much less in the next couple of years.

1476
03:08:25,070 --> 03:08:27,380
so that's not really a good option for me. Right up until I said that councilman former councilman king has not stopped smiling this
Whole presentation.

1477
03:08:34,490 --> 03:08:34,490
but again, I don't think it's due to the fact that we're putting in extravagances here.

1478
03:08:39,650 --> 03:08:42,200
we're not making it something that it doesn't need to be. We're going just past what the minimum needs to be for the near future.

1479
03:08:47,920 --> 03:08:51,910
so I'm not happy with the cost, but I'm not happy with the cost on anything. I'm not happy with the cost on my appraisal either.

1480
03:08:54,070 --> 03:08:55,480
but we're not changing that. So it doesn't matter what it is these days.

1481
03:08:58,870 --> 03:08:58,870
no, you're absolutely correct, and I'll tell you that.

1482
03:09:03,860 --> 03:09:03,860
I've recently read a document from the association of general contractors.

1483
03:09:11,710 --> 03:09:15,430
I bet that's invigorating reading. I had to make sure it was early in the morning when I wasn't tired.

1484
03:09:19,420 --> 03:09:19,420
20 something pages long that really went into detail about the.

1485
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:25,000
the significant shortage due to covid of materials in general.

1486
03:09:29,590 --> 03:09:29,590
then the transportation increases the cost of transporting that materials, the
Availability of materials, and all of which

1487
03:09:39,010 --> 03:09:39,010
combined to unprecedented markups because they have to pass along to maintain staying in
Business relative to contractors and

1488
03:09:48,610 --> 03:09:50,470
manufacturers of all these materials. And it was amazing to me, and I'm echoing your comment about the cost of materials.

1489
03:09:55,900 --> 03:09:58,420
and it's not one genre. It's across the board price increases of 20%, 30%, 40% in the

1490
03:10:08,280 --> 03:10:10,550
last 18 months. Yeah, we've seen concrete start to come down.

1491
03:10:13,160 --> 03:10:13,160
we've seen wood start to come down, steel barely.

1492
03:10:17,330 --> 03:10:17,330
you know, frankly, I ask the question because I was concerned about the steel price
Because we're using metal studs instead of wood studs

1493
03:10:27,350 --> 03:10:29,300
on purpose by design. And I broached the question, when we are trying to get to a price that I could stand up
Here and.

1494
03:10:37,110 --> 03:10:40,040
present to you. And when you price it out, the wood framing would be about 2 or $3000 more expensive
Project wide than steel.

1495
03:10:48,680 --> 03:10:52,550
as it stands today. I can't explain it.

1496
03:10:53,780 --> 03:10:55,910
I can't either. That's how it is. It still hasn't really come down. What has? That doesn't make sense, but that's not my forte.

1497
03:11:00,560 --> 03:11:03,230
so I'll believe y'all that did that. All right. Yeah, well, like I said, other than what you presented, I mean, we've taken
Out the extravagances, and that's what I'm about, so.

1498
03:11:14,490 --> 03:11:16,950
oh, hold on. Sorry. The only other thing I'd like to see is the cost of the different materials for flooring
Rather than going with a sealed concrete in more areas or something of that

1499
03:11:26,670 --> 03:11:26,670
nature. On the next version of this, I'd like to see all those cost of materials for the
Different types of flooring.

1500
03:11:35,310 --> 03:11:35,310
okay. But so I clarify my understanding.

1501
03:11:41,070 --> 03:11:43,450
the next version of this. What, if you approve it tonight is a gmp amendment.

1502
03:11:49,490 --> 03:11:53,410
that doesn't change the scope of the project. No, that's fine. But I want to clarify the question.

1503
03:11:56,680 --> 03:11:56,680
are you wanting to hold off on the guaranteed maximum price.

1504
03:12:01,350 --> 03:12:01,350
I can tell you if we put in sealed concrete throughout that facility, it's not going to
Last.

1505
03:12:12,670 --> 03:12:15,370
I'm not even gonna call it luxury. The luxury vinyl tile? I'll call it vinyl panels rather than vinyl sheeting versus sealed concrete versus wood
Floor.

1506
03:12:22,650 --> 03:12:22,650
what have you. Or I'll try to have that for you this week.

1507
03:12:26,940 --> 03:12:29,070
mr. Prestenberg? Me too. Thanks for the presentation.

1508
03:12:32,770 --> 03:12:32,770
is the only label on this building, just the sachse animal shelter on the outside?

1509
03:12:37,790 --> 03:12:37,790
there's no marquee up front or anything as people drive by?

1510
03:12:41,880 --> 03:12:41,880
we didn't necessarily discuss a monument advertising the facility.

1511
03:12:48,840 --> 03:12:48,840
but certainly on the facility itself, it will be such that it's.

1512
03:12:53,340 --> 03:12:55,200
is it illuminated? It'll be illuminated. Yes, sir. It'll be illuminated at night.

1513
03:12:57,570 --> 03:12:57,570
yeah. I don't need it to change colors or anything like that.

1514
03:13:02,660 --> 03:13:02,660
I just wanted, I thought I knew that, but I wanted to make sure that, yes, it will be.

1515
03:13:07,060 --> 03:13:07,060
okay. And then the back area where the, slide 13, where you have the cartoon characters
Playing with the dog

1516
03:13:17,460 --> 03:13:17,460
. The cartoon characters playing.

1517
03:13:22,010 --> 03:13:23,250
13? Yeah, there is that.

1518
03:13:27,080 --> 03:13:30,380
is that that fake turf or is that grass? That's going to be grass.

1519
03:13:32,200 --> 03:13:35,720
it will be? Yes. You wouldn't believe how expensive that turf is. Okay. So with it being grass and this is just my logistics background, but do we have a
Place there to have like a, for

1520
03:13:45,560 --> 03:13:47,450
mowers to come in and all that stuff? I don't see gates there, not that it's drawn to scale, but.

1521
03:13:51,580 --> 03:13:51,580
there'll be an access point, there's an access gate further on down there that they'll be
Able to get in there.

1522
03:13:57,440 --> 03:13:57,440
is there a, I mean, what was the difference in pricing or do we have even a ballpark?

1523
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:02,000
was it like 50,000 to get the turf where you just spray it clean versus something you'd
Have to mow consistently?

1524
03:14:10,260 --> 03:14:13,430
I don't want to guess, but it was several thousand dollars. Okay. And at this point, that's meaningful.

1525
03:14:16,500 --> 03:14:18,270
yeah. Okay. Is it something?

1526
03:14:21,150 --> 03:14:24,870
14,000. For that small section. Right, but, just thinking about  the ease of the workers and whatnot.

1527
03:14:33,760 --> 03:14:33,760
cleaning up an area when you might have 15 stalls of dogs going out there to play and the
Mess that comes with it, much easier to spray versus constantly going to pick it up.

1528
03:14:43,600 --> 03:14:43,600
is it something that later on, if we, you know, you said there's discretionary funds, we
Have an abundance, you know what I mean?

1529
03:14:52,150 --> 03:14:52,150
of the 150,000 or whatever that's left, using 10% of that, if it's available to, is it
Something that you can go after the fact or is it?

1530
03:15:00,160 --> 03:15:04,000
that's certainly an option to use those discretionary funds. Frankly, I'm not talking about that at all.

1531
03:15:07,090 --> 03:15:07,090
I think the most important thing is to get below that mark that the bond has set at.

1532
03:15:15,040 --> 03:15:15,040
and relative to any discretionary funds, I think that's a decision for you to make as we
Get deep into the project.

1533
03:15:24,260 --> 03:15:25,610
not at the outset. I like the some of the things you've trimmed or I think you said it.

1534
03:15:30,660 --> 03:15:32,910
what would you say? Some engineering. Value engineering. Value engineering, I like that.

1535
03:15:35,610 --> 03:15:39,260
that's mr. Hobbs' term. They wouldn't like that at west point. They're like, they don't like value. No, I don't like that either.

1536
03:15:40,740 --> 03:15:40,740
but anyway, I appreciate the readout on this and I think it's fantastic.

1537
03:15:46,380 --> 03:15:49,480
so looking forward to it. Thank you. Ms. Buhler?

1538
03:15:51,010 --> 03:15:51,010
thank you, chief. You know, when we started talking about this in 2021, the world was a
Different place.

1539
03:15:58,370 --> 03:15:58,370
and I'm really I share my fellow council members thoughts that, you know, of course, I
Wish it came in lower because we didn't want to spend up to the very dollar.

1540
03:16:08,300 --> 03:16:08,300
but, you know, I'm I'm more focused on delivering what we promised to our voters who
Voted on this.

1541
03:16:15,920 --> 03:16:19,400
and, you know, this this isn't full of frills. This is what we need to take care of the animals, but to be durable and to last.

1542
03:16:25,490 --> 03:16:27,950
so I'm really happy with how this turned out. Thank you.

1543
03:16:29,670 --> 03:16:31,510
mr. Lindsey? That detention pond, is that a site detention pond that might be able to support other
Buildings in that area?

1544
03:16:37,820 --> 03:16:40,460
yes. Okay. And. And that was considered within the scope.

1545
03:16:43,010 --> 03:16:43,010
awesome. And just for clarity, what's the square footage again of the entire facility?

1546
03:16:50,300 --> 03:16:53,210
it's approximately 5800ft². Thank you, chief.

1547
03:16:57,830 --> 03:16:57,830
I would just say that, again, it's been said many times, but we did have a $5 million
Budget and we are just under that.

1548
03:17:06,380 --> 03:17:06,380
I wish it had been lower, obviously, but I think it's been said very eloquently tonight
That cost of materials, labor just been out of our control.

1549
03:17:15,230 --> 03:17:17,480
a lot's changed since 2021. I'm very happy that two things did not change.

1550
03:17:20,750 --> 03:17:20,750
one is we didn't go over budget and number two is we didn't make the facility smaller and
We didn't cut anything else, cut anything out that was essential.

1551
03:17:29,420 --> 03:17:29,420
and quite frankly, that we told our residents that they would have from a facility
Standpoint and service standpoint.

1552
03:17:35,420 --> 03:17:35,420
so with that, I'd like to focus on the positive, and that's a very positive development
That we are under budget.

1553
03:17:45,460 --> 03:17:47,420
yeah, I wouldn't think of that like that. Yeah, I wish I could take credit for that, but I can't.

1554
03:17:50,930 --> 03:17:50,930
but you know, it's, I don't have to tell you this, it's been a challenging project.

1555
03:17:57,570 --> 03:17:57,570
and I think staff's done a good job and quite frankly, the best of some bad situations and
Some bad things.

1556
03:18:05,760 --> 03:18:08,340
well, some things that are just outside of our control. And so I appreciate the job and the effort staff has done to get us here, because as ms.

1557
03:18:12,400 --> 03:18:12,400
lindsay said, ms. Buhler said that, you know, this is what we told our residents we would
Give them and this is what we're going to give them.

1558
03:18:19,830 --> 03:18:23,380
so I appreciate that very much. I'm going to let the public talk real quick.

1559
03:18:25,000 --> 03:18:28,280
do you have a question for? The slide you just had showing the dog run in the back?

1560
03:18:32,590 --> 03:18:32,590
and slopes.

1561
03:18:40,190 --> 03:18:40,190
this one? No, the one who actually had the elevation.

1562
03:18:46,060 --> 03:18:46,060
there. The dog run that you show there, how big is that?

1563
03:18:51,070 --> 03:18:54,130
inside the fence? I don't remember exactly.

1564
03:18:55,240 --> 03:18:59,030
I think it's 20 by something. 600ft². Okay.

1565
03:19:00,440 --> 03:19:02,990
whatever that equates to. There you're showing grass. You're showing green, which obviously green is supposed to be grass.

1566
03:19:05,780 --> 03:19:05,780
yes, sir. Is that anticipated to be artificial turf there for longevity inside that run
Or is it actually inside here now?

1567
03:19:14,260 --> 03:19:14,260
inside what is being proposed here now is that proposed for artificial turf type grass or
Is that be originally we had we had programing

1568
03:19:24,230 --> 03:19:24,230
for that. But as a cost measure, that's going to be grass.

1569
03:19:29,300 --> 03:19:29,300
now, as councilman prestenberg mentions, there are contingency funds that should council
Elect to utilize to make that grass.

1570
03:19:38,720 --> 03:19:40,700
it's 14 to $15,000. The reason to make it artificial.

1571
03:19:42,950 --> 03:19:42,950
now, the reason I'm asking that question, if there's if the contingency funds allows it,
I would be in favor of that going to artificial simply through my experience of doing

1572
03:19:52,520 --> 03:19:55,830
turf maintenance. Dogs tend to run in the same continual pattern.

1573
03:19:59,070 --> 03:19:59,070
so if you have natural grass, you're going to have mud, dirt trails and a little bit of
Green grass.

1574
03:20:07,350 --> 03:20:07,350
if it's an artificial turf, you can take a water hose and wash it off and clean it up.

1575
03:20:12,060 --> 03:20:15,360
so cost of putting it in will be a little bit more. But ten years down the road, five years down the road, the overall maintenance per year
Is going to be prohibitive for doing grass and trying to keep it green, all of it.

1576
03:20:25,050 --> 03:20:25,050
so there may be a swap out to look at that if it stays within the conditions.

1577
03:20:30,090 --> 03:20:33,120
I don't want to go over the budget by any means. No, sir. Agreed. Yes, sir. If we could use some of that money in our contingency fund allows it, that would be one
Thing I would be in favor of looking at.

1578
03:20:39,960 --> 03:20:43,670
thank you. Let us know in the comments. We're going to let the public talk to you if they want to.

1579
03:20:46,010 --> 03:20:47,780
thank you for your presentation. Anyone from the public like to address this item?

1580
03:20:51,160 --> 03:20:51,160
yes, sir.

1581
03:21:02,930 --> 03:21:04,880
matthew holbolt 5511. Oak ridge circle.

1582
03:21:07,780 --> 03:21:10,710
forgot where I lived. Sachse, texas. Top of the hill. My only question is, is and I think it's probably what a lot of y'all
Are looking for, is the schedule of values going to be

1583
03:21:20,310 --> 03:21:20,310
published or is it going to be top secret or is that something that's coming in the next
Meeting?

1584
03:21:28,440 --> 03:21:28,440
just curious about what the schedule of values is going to hold for everything involved.

1585
03:21:35,210 --> 03:21:35,210
thank you, mr. Holbolt. So the answer to that question is this was a presentation
Relative to

1586
03:21:45,170 --> 03:21:45,170
the guaranteed maximum price with significant detail regarding the programing materials
And finishes that are going to be projected to be used in the animal shelter.

1587
03:21:54,890 --> 03:21:54,890
I can certainly bring back at the next meeting further detail relative to pricing of
Individual divisions.

1588
03:22:04,490 --> 03:22:04,490
however, I will not get into specific itemization of every contractor's bid.

1589
03:22:13,370 --> 03:22:15,350
that's the purview of steel and freeman. Thanks, chief. Anyone else like to address the audience at this time?

1590
03:22:20,840 --> 03:22:20,840
yes, sir. Kelvin king 7315 high point.

1591
03:22:31,610 --> 03:22:31,610
you know, I'm not an aco, I do volunteer down there.

1592
03:22:36,630 --> 03:22:36,630
I don't pretend to speak for any of the volunteers, and especially not the acos.

1593
03:22:41,610 --> 03:22:41,610
but we all talk and I can guarantee you that we're all very excited about this shelter
Coming into place.

1594
03:22:50,940 --> 03:22:54,570
you're absolutely right. We wish it would come in a little bit lower. I think all of us wanted that.

1595
03:22:56,970 --> 03:22:56,970
we'd prefer not to pay higher taxes, but we've got to build this for buildout of sachse.

1596
03:23:04,260 --> 03:23:04,260
so, we do need all the kennels that we have in there.

1597
03:23:10,900 --> 03:23:14,260
I don't get to see the sausage making anymore, fortunately. Thank you all for for doing that.

1598
03:23:17,380 --> 03:23:21,250
I appreciate all the work that this council has put in. I especially appreciate all the work that chief sylvester has put in.

1599
03:23:25,420 --> 03:23:27,680
I know it hasn't been an easy task. The acos have been very involved, and they're very appreciative that they were involved.

1600
03:23:34,440 --> 03:23:34,440
we're looking forward to it to it getting on the ground.

1601
03:23:38,640 --> 03:23:38,640
certainly the construction dollars have gone up, which, you know, is the shelter,
Everything that we wanted it to be?

1602
03:23:48,010 --> 03:23:49,560
no, it's not. We would have loved to have a few more whistles and bells if we could get it down into
That budget.

1603
03:23:54,870 --> 03:23:57,780
but it's the shelter that sachse needs. It's a sachse shelter.

1604
03:24:00,000 --> 03:24:03,990
it's not the taj mahal. It's not a palace. Every person down there is way more concerned about functionality than they are about
Prettiness.

1605
03:24:12,400 --> 03:24:12,400
so it is very appreciated by everybody that's going to use it down there, the volunteers,
The acos and the public when they come in.

1606
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:22,490
as far as the grass. Yeah. It be nice if we could have turf out there.

1607
03:24:26,990 --> 03:24:29,120
but we make grass work now. We can make grass work going forward.

1608
03:24:32,630 --> 03:24:33,830
we'll have showers. So when we get muddy, we'll at least be able to shower now.

1609
03:24:38,990 --> 03:24:38,990
so with that in mind, I urge you to go ahead and approve this maximum price and let's get
This

1610
03:24:48,560 --> 03:24:52,130
shelter. Let's get this shelter going for our citizens. Thank you very much.

1611
03:24:54,040 --> 03:24:54,040
thank you, mr. King. Anyone else like to address the council at this time?

1612
03:24:59,380 --> 03:25:02,620
seeing none, we do have this as an action item. And again, this would be to consider the proposed guaranteed maximum price.

1613
03:25:07,660 --> 03:25:09,860
mr. Prestenberg? Make a motion that we approve e4 as presented.

1614
03:25:13,780 --> 03:25:17,690
I have a motion by mr. Prestonsburg to approve how e4 as presented. I have a second. Ms. Buhler?

1615
03:25:19,260 --> 03:25:20,380
second. Second by ms. Buhler. Any further discussion?

1616
03:25:23,830 --> 03:25:23,830
hearing none. Please cast your ballot.

1617
03:25:44,820 --> 03:25:46,620
motion carries unanimously. I do want to take this opportunity to thank steele and freeman, mr.

1618
03:25:49,140 --> 03:25:51,900
hobbs, staff chief sylvester. Everybody that helped make this possible to get to this point.

1619
03:25:55,020 --> 03:25:55,020
appreciate your help and expertise and look forward to continuing the journey.

1620
03:25:59,820 --> 03:25:59,820
thank you, gentlemen and ladies.

1621
03:26:04,570 --> 03:26:07,870
thank you, mayor. Okay. Next item on the agenda is item f1 adjournment.

1622
03:26:09,820 --> 03:26:12,760
the time ms. Granger? 9:56 p.m.. 9:56 p.m., we are adjourned.