1 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,960 e 2 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,920 e 3 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,920 e 4 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,840 e 5 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,840 e 6 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,840 e 7 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,760 e 8 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 e 9 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,720 e 10 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,639 e 11 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:32,680 e e 12 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:33,400 good evening everyone and welcome to the Sako city council meeting for Monday 13 00:06:29,919 --> 00:06:37,199 July 8th 2024 at 6:30 p.m. let the record reflect that we have 14 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:41,319 all members of council present this evening including City administrator 15 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,680 John bko would you please join me for the Pledge of 16 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and 17 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:59,680 to the repu for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy 18 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,680 and justice for all 19 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:07,240 thank you and now that takes us to item number four and that is general and 20 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:11,720 there is nothing this evening item number five committee correspondence to 21 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:17,479 council any Council men members have correspondence excuse me councelor hwit 22 00:07:14,919 --> 00:07:22,960 um I'd L true uh Senator Collins mayor mcf and 23 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:27,080 members of council had a groundbreaking for the 24 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Wastewater that Mike's on there you go 25 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,120 okay Senator there we go Senator Collins mayor mcf members of council had a 26 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:43,400 groundbreaking for the waste water resource recovery facility this week and 27 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:49,240 also the libraries having a book sale August 16th to 28 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:49,240 31st thank you anyone 29 00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:58,479 else okay not seeing anyone that takes us to item number six and that is public 30 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:04,599 comment and we do have four members signed up first up we do have Mabel Reed 31 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:04,599 Wallace please step 32 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:10,759 up do you want to speak to council I thought I was just signing in oh no no 33 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:17,960 no that's fine Yep this is for public common if you wanted to speak to councel 34 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:21,479 Okay I was invited here I was told I have to come so will you call me when 35 00:08:20,479 --> 00:08:25,479 you're ready nope you don't have to speak or 36 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:30,360 anything yep when when your item comes up it will be announced and the council 37 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:34,360 will vote oh yep thank you okay so next on the list we do have John 38 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,039 Molina please step up to the podium state your name and address for the 39 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:42,640 record and you will have three minutes to address 40 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:48,880 Council John Molina 23 Camp Ellis Avenue Sako uh I'm here to speak in favor of 41 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:56,560 the camp Ellis trolley uh we have been there going on 30 years and 42 00:08:53,160 --> 00:09:03,079 uh big time in favor of the trolley I mean I was on the beach on Friday I I 43 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:07,000 stop counting at 250 people at the beach and to have the trolley there it's 44 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:11,839 certainly I mean there are a lot of rentals there it's good business locally 45 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:16,000 but one thing that I really want to hone in as well is Camp Ellis has been going 46 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:21,399 through a transformation in the last few years I mean besides everything with the 47 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:30,519 jetty uh we have new owners of the store new owners of hwis and Camp Ellis to me 48 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:35,200 is the diamond and the rough in Sako um um what I really 49 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:40,240 think this this trolley should do we should really try to promote and try to 50 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:45,040 bring people in Camp Ellis Camp Ellis used to be a destination a 100 years ago 51 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:49,560 with a dummy train and the way it is now going and growing again it's a 52 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:54,320 destination I mean there are a lot of people that yes like to go from Camp 53 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:58,839 Ellis or Sako over to Old Orchard but seven nights a week not everyone wants 54 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,640 to be that loud we should try to get a lot of people people from the Old 55 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:09,480 Orchard to come over to us and by rebranding hwis and having music out 56 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:14,120 there and corn holes I mean we have the harbor Fest coming again for the second 57 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:17,760 year which was very successful we had a cornhole tournament last fall even 58 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:24,720 though this would be out of the trolley schedule we had over 600 kids at the 59 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:30,000 Halloween trunk Retreat Camp Ellis is growing let's just take advantage of it 60 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,920 and I hope you members will support this and uh I just think there's a lot of 61 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:39,600 great things coming for that section of our town thank you thank you 62 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,600 John next up we have David 63 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:51,880 plaven thank you mayor mcil council City administrative venko I'm David plaven I 64 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:57,480 live at 36 low Beach Road in Sako I'm also up here to offer support for the 65 00:10:54,480 --> 00:11:01,519 trolley Amendment tonight I think that um there's a lot of history involved 66 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,800 this and it would be a a great thing to see something like this return to Camp 67 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:11,560 Ellis and I was going to read a paragraph from a letter that 68 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:16,440 um Allison Corto sent she's the manager of tamarak rentals which has several 69 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:21,360 rental properties along the shore and in Camp Ellis and 70 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,680 um she says that trolley has always been a cherished part of Camp Ellis providing 71 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:29,560 convenient and enjoyable transportation of both residents and tourists and not 72 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:34,200 only offers an easy way to expl for the local attractions shops and beaches but 73 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,959 also contribut significantly to the overall experience of staying in our 74 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:41,440 beautiful Seaside Town many of our guests fly remember their trolley rids 75 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:46,240 and often cite them as one of the highlights of their stay what I'd like 76 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:51,399 to say though is that um what I'd like to see happen here is that we get this 77 00:11:48,839 --> 00:11:55,959 approved and then in the time between now and next next year's budget season 78 00:11:54,320 --> 00:12:00,240 that we get to work with the economic development department of Sako and see 79 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,560 if we can really put together a marketing and promotional plan for the 80 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:10,920 trolley and that would include um campellis businesses maybe some citizens 81 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:15,399 Old Orchard Beach and um and director Chad Hyde of the transit authority I 82 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:21,000 think to come back here and stand up and just ask for another round of funding 83 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:26,000 without having at least some idea or some some way to promote it and really 84 00:12:22,839 --> 00:12:31,079 make it work um would not be would not be the right thing to do so I'm asking 85 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:34,480 that we can do that as a part of this I think that would be an important thing 86 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:38,160 to do and lastly I wanted to thank the city 87 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,360 administrator um for for getting this back out in front of everybody I think a 88 00:12:40,199 --> 00:12:48,079 lot of us thought it was dead in the water after um the route was was um 89 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:52,000 terminated a couple years ago um councelor hatch was also on the transit 90 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:57,199 board and of course councilor Burman for supporting it I think it's important 91 00:12:54,279 --> 00:13:02,160 that we get this done it's not a huge ask and I think but it's also important 92 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:06,680 that those of us on the camp Bellis side of it um do more than just take the 93 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:12,519 money and watch people ride a trolley we need to to really make it work the right 94 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:18,120 way so um and I also want to thank Chad for um he came down to Camp Ellis last 95 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:22,199 week surveyed the the streets and the route so hopefully we can we can do this 96 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,440 so thank you thank you 97 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,120 David okay next up we have Casey Delaney 98 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:46,320 hello my name is Casey Delaney I'm from 11 sunet AV in Sako um my husband Bob 99 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:51,800 and I run and manage Sako Bay rentals which we took over from my mom who ran 100 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:57,560 it for 35 years prior um we have 50 plus properties from Camp Ellis all the way 101 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:02,120 up to Old Orchard Beach about 50% are in each location and we have a tremendous 102 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:07,440 amount of repeat renters that come back year after year and bring a lot of 103 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:12,199 Revenue to the city of Sako um a lot of those renters when the trolley stopped 104 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:17,199 running expressed their disappointment um you know some of them come from Old 105 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:22,680 Orchard to Camp Ellis and a lot go the other way but um they they do miss it 106 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:27,639 and they have expressed that concern so as um as the owner of Sako Bay rentals 107 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:32,680 we'd be willing to provide a hyperlink on our website to 108 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:36,639 you know to your your site um for the trolley and we'd also we have a property 109 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:41,440 book in each property we could put the trolley schedule in with a qcr code that 110 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:46,880 they could scan and and buy tickets um and we'd be happy to promote it in any 111 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:53,480 way that we can up to an including um signage on the trolley itself so we're 112 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:58,320 very hopeful that you will support this thank you thank 113 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:02,320 you okay if there is any other member of the public wishing to speak please step 114 00:14:59,959 --> 00:15:02,320 up to the 115 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:13,920 podium okay not seeing anyone wishing to be recognized we move on to item seven 116 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:21,279 and that is the approval of the minutes for May 6 2024 June 3rd 2024 and June 117 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:29,079 17th 2024 is there a motion to approve the minutes so moved motion made by 118 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:29,079 councelor hatch is there a second 119 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:38,839 second second by councelor Johnston any discussion on the 120 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:42,759 minutes okay uh Council Burman as I was absent from June 17th I'd like to 121 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:47,800 abstain from voting on those minutes while still voting on The 122 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:47,800 Others is that 123 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:59,480 possible um we can do if you wish to abstain we can do the 124 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,480 two sep we can do two separate 125 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:08,160 so councelor hatch are you okay with a motion to approve May 6 and June 3rd I 126 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:14,519 am Council Johnson okay with your second second okay roll call vote for May 6 and 127 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:19,839 June 3rd councel arer I councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes councelor Burman 128 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:24,880 yes councelor hatch yes councelor hwit yes and councelor Johnston yes motion 129 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,880 passes 7 130 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Z okay uh councilor hatch is still okay with June 17th I am okay motion by 131 00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:41,000 counselor hatch councelor Johnston second okay roll call vote for June 17th 132 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:46,440 2024 councelor arer hi councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes councelor Burman 133 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:50,639 abstain councelor hatch yes councelor hwit 134 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:57,240 abstain and councelor Johnston yes motion passes 5- Z with two 135 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,240 extensions 136 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:04,720 okay that now takes us to item eight and that is consent items there is one item 137 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:10,120 on the agenda this evening and that is clarification of the election results 138 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:14,439 June 11th 2024 for the state primary the budget validation referendum and the 139 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:19,280 special referendum election is there a motion to 140 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:24,520 approve so so moved motion by councelor Burman is there a second second second 141 00:17:21,959 --> 00:17:24,520 by councelor 142 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:35,440 Johnson roll call vote councelor rer I councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes 143 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:40,960 councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes councelor hwit yes and councelor 144 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,960 Johnston yes motion passes 145 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:48,679 70 okay that now takes us to item nine and that is the action items this 146 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:54,200 evening item number a we do have a public hearing on chapter 176 sewers 147 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:59,520 ordinance revision to the appendix a of the residential uses for the wrrd flow 148 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:04,480 schedule for the impact fees and that is councelor gun thank you Madame mayor 149 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:08,720 during discussion of sako's LD 2003 ordinance amendments the city council 150 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:14,600 increase the maximum allowable size of accessory dwelling units to 1,000 square 151 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:19,600 ft purpose of this chapter 176 appendix revision is to align with the ld2 2003 152 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:24,520 ordinance revisions previously adopted in September 153 00:18:21,159 --> 00:18:27,320 2023 I move to open the public hearing motion has been made to open the public 154 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:31,919 hearing by councelor gun is there a second 155 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:37,919 second second by councelor hatch roll call vote councelor Archer hi 156 00:18:35,159 --> 00:18:42,039 councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes 157 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:47,440 councelor huitt yes and councelor Johnston yes motion passes 7 Z Public 158 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,840 hearing is now open if there is any member of the public wishing to speak on 159 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,440 this item please step forward state your name and address for the record and you 160 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,440 will have three minutes for your comments 161 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:07,480 okay not seeing anyone asking for recognition councelor gun thank 162 00:19:04,919 --> 00:19:12,799 you I move to close the public hearing and schedule the second and final 163 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:17,120 reading for July 22nd 2024 motion has been made by councelor gun is there a 164 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:22,919 second second second by councelor hatch roll call vote councelor Archer I 165 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:27,640 councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes councel Burman yes councelor hatch yes 166 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:32,039 councelor hwit yes and councel Johnston yes motion toose close the public 167 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,039 hearing passes 168 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:42,000 70 okay Item B this evening is one reading for the funding request for the 169 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:47,880 camp Ellis trolley and that is councelor Archer Madame May 170 00:19:44,679 --> 00:19:52,000 uh uing my utilizing my right to speak against this motion I will not be making 171 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:56,840 this motion okay is there a councelor wishing to accept councelor 172 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:01,080 Burman yeah thank you Madame mayor at the June 17th city council meeting Chad 173 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,480 Hyde the executive director of BS o Transit presented a proposal to operate 174 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:08,480 a summer seasonal trolley service connecting Camp Ellis and Old Orchard 175 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:12,120 Beach the estimated cost of the trolley per week is 176 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,480 $3,200 the service would operate from Thursday through Sunday 4 P p.m. to 11: 177 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,880 p.m. be an order that the trolley service be established as a pilot 178 00:20:17,919 --> 00:20:25,200 programming commencing Thursday August 1st 2024 through Sunday September 1st 179 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:31,360 2024 and that Council approved budget amendment number six funds to BS oob for 180 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:35,240 trolley to Camp Ellis I move to approve the order motion has been made by 181 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:39,120 councelor Burman is there a second second second by counselor 182 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:54,760 gun any discussion on the item councilor Burman yeah I apologize for being absent 183 00:20:52,159 --> 00:21:00,080 in June 17th when this was discussed as uh part of new business uh I'm pretty 184 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:04,320 passionate about this project I'd like to remind Council and the public that 185 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:09,919 Sako is a is a Coastal Community right the the the ocean and the river are part 186 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:15,360 of what makes us unique it's part of our culture it's part of our history and I 187 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:19,600 believe it's really part of our future this trolley doesn't stand alone it's 188 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,720 really part of I think a larger Vision that me and and many others share the 189 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,200 Army Corp of Engineers of course is part of that project the beach management 190 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:31,200 plan is part of that project the coastal resiliency coordinator is part of that 191 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,919 project right our focus on economic revitalization of the area which as we 192 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:40,559 heard in the public comments is already paying dividends is part of that plan 193 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:44,000 right the idea of this trolley is is to encourage tourism and to make really 194 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:49,080 what is our unique and beautiful Shoreline accessible to more people not 195 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:53,440 only that right but it's an environmentally friendly way of moving 196 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:57,679 people in both directions we bring people from Old Orchard Beach to Camp 197 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:03,080 Ellis visit our you know visit our coastline spend money in our businesses 198 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:07,159 it's also a way of moving people from Camp Alis and Sako to Old Orchard Beach 199 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:12,039 making it more convenient for residents in an environmentally friendly and 200 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:17,919 sustainable manner uh but really this is just one more peg in our overall vision 201 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:22,240 for what we can be doing down in our shore right really bringing that 202 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:28,000 beautiful natural resource to more people making what really I think makes 203 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:31,080 AO unique uh accessible and supporting really our our vision for what camp Alis 204 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:37,360 can be and really what our whole Coastline can be so I hope it'll have 205 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,360 support thank you anyone 206 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:45,400 else councilor Johnston thank 207 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,400 you 208 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:57,559 um I guess I would say that I would equally agree with councelor Burman as 209 00:22:53,720 --> 00:23:03,200 far as uh overall support for this concept 210 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:07,679 um and and equally would con see myself you know being passionate about it um 211 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:16,000 but at the same time I'm equally passionate about Transit being in the 212 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:20,919 downtown area and we have yet to achieve the desired goals of our own Transit uh 213 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:28,120 committee and and organization um so as I said whatever it 214 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:35,039 was several weeks ago um I I I remain conf icted where we're going to do this 215 00:23:30,679 --> 00:23:39,799 for one month instead of you know again going through a thorough process as I 216 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:44,000 often say nine times out of 10 it's about process for me and and I'm I'm 217 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,720 happy to hear that members of the public are willing to participate um in in 218 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:54,120 potentially funding this going forward uh but I I really have a a challenge 219 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:59,880 thinking that for one month this really makes all that much sense um this was a 220 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:05,240 a conversation back in May that we had ful E from the council I may have 221 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:12,919 supported it um equally last meeting I I had asked uh from my counterpart in W 222 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:20,600 five if the transit committee had any uh opinion of this um I I'm happy to to 223 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:26,840 hear if there is um but again at the end of the day I I'm challenge the idea that 224 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:35,080 we're forcing this on to the uh executive director of trans it um really 225 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:40,799 at the 11th hour with only one month left in the summer I'm certainly happy 226 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:46,279 to support it next year um if we can kind of figure out a funding mechanism 227 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:50,320 that makes sense and and has Buy in thank 228 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:55,200 you councilor hatch uh thank you may mcfield I'll 229 00:24:52,520 --> 00:25:00,559 address uh councelor Johnson's uh question of me and and um we had a um I 230 00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:05,600 sit on the bis board bisu board of directors as the city council liazon 231 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:12,720 from Sako it's a tri Community uh uh organization um um 232 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:19,480 managed by bitterford Sako in Old Orchard Beach uh it's a onethird oneir 233 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:27,799 oneir partnership so uh it's kind of a unique organization to uh use as a 234 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:34,039 mechanism to support uh um local Transit uh so I did did bring um Council 235 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:38,159 Johnson's concern before the board um then that board meeting we had 236 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:42,679 representation from all three communities the other two communities U 237 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:50,399 really saw no objection uh to the trolley um as long 238 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:54,960 as the uh funding mechanism was 239 00:25:52,399 --> 00:25:59,480 100% uh s Municipal uh it's important for the 240 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:06,760 public to understand that The Trolley system that exists today is funded is 241 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:11,279 not funded by uh Community or Municipal contributions it's funded by all of the 242 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:17,720 uh stakeholders who find Value in having 243 00:26:14,679 --> 00:26:24,520 that Trolley system transporting individuals uh to and fro uh it gets 244 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:29,000 strong support from uh the seasonal campgrounds down in Old Orchard 245 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:34,520 Beach um we see aout a route a trolley route going from 246 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:40,679 un to downtown bford that's funded by un um so what we're talking about tonight 247 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:45,200 in terms of funding is very uh unique and 248 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:52,279 unusual um the other issue that I think I need to make public is that uh as the 249 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:59,840 tri Community we try to fund Core Transit needs in equal shares so every 250 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:05,039 time that Chad hiy comes before the soo Council for a contribution he's going 251 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:09,240 before the Old Orchard Beach Town Council and the bitterford city council 252 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:14,399 for the exact same amount of money it's an equal pay all three across the 253 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:19,159 board now what what troubles me a little bit 254 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:25,279 here is I'm trying to be a good Steward of of our tax dollars and I'm trying to 255 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:33,039 be sensitive to the comments that we just made about Core Transit needs 256 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,039 and if we were able to give that 257 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:45,240 $116,000 to BP transit for Core Transit needs we would first of all have to gain 258 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:51,039 agreement from bitterford and Old Orchard Beach to Pony up the same amount 259 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:58,240 and I'm not sure how that conversation would go and then Chad could take that 260 00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:05,399 money and leverage it significantly by having uh local funding match for 261 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:13,000 federal and state funds uh he can leverage some of the money uh 50% so if 262 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:18,279 we if we gave 16 he could get 32 in total another 16 from these 263 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:22,360 funding mechanism the 50% goes to a certain program for certain needs there 264 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:29,320 are other programs that have different needs that he can leverage uh 80% and he 265 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:35,120 could take our you know our 16,000 and and and and go and grab 80 in 266 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:42,039 total so I'm really this whole discussion we're sort 267 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:48,000 of so much outside of the box here uh and and I guess um I I'll let the 268 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:55,519 discussion on the floor continue but if if we were going to do 269 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:58,440 this uh I I'm going to be adamant because I still have another year on my 270 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:04,720 term I'm going to be sitting here during the next budget cycle and if we decide 271 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:13,600 to move forward with this on the promise that we will see a much broader economic 272 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:18,480 plan having to do with the development of Camp Ellis that includes the trolley 273 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:23,120 with a funding source that's consistent with the other 274 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:28,519 communities uh that's where I would want this to end up and if it doesn't end up 275 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:35,559 there uh I'm I'm going to feel bad that I uh I I didn't Steward our taxpayers 276 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:41,840 monies appropriately if if that's the decision that we make as as a board so I 277 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:49,200 I think it's important um that people understand how our transit 278 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:56,200 system is functions and is managed and it's I will tell you uh as chair of the 279 00:29:51,720 --> 00:30:05,640 finance committee BP Transit uh that that you know quasi agency is uh uh is 280 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:10,760 is is really struggling because the funding that was flying all over the 281 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:17,120 place as a result of the pandemic has disappeared there's no more Opa money 282 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:22,559 there's no more free flowing money and so we have a 283 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:28,000 Transit Agency that frankly if we look at it historically it's 284 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:33,120 probably um not been funded appropriately over the years and we're 285 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:38,279 just trying to catch up and we're now losing access to to some of this 286 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:44,200 previously available free money so it's it's a very difficult decision at least 287 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:49,200 for me uh and maybe it's because I I do understand the inner workings of of VP 288 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,760 Transit thank you councelor Burman then councel 289 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:59,080 Johnston yeah I guess I'd like to respond and maybe Echo some of your 290 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:03,480 comments I had a really posit meeting uh with with Chad Hyde the director of B 291 00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:08,440 Transit I guess about a week ago on Friday the 28th we spent about an hour 292 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,919 together and then rode the trolley around or rode the bus around and saw 293 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,279 some of the routes and talked about some of the challenges facing Transit and 294 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:21,360 I've spoken from this Podium before about some of my concerns about an Ever 295 00:31:18,639 --> 00:31:25,960 Rising budget and and the the service challenges that I saw and I think there 296 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,399 are some really exciting uh changes that are going to come over the next two 297 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,240 years some additional Community involvement some some route 298 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:36,440 changes uh well some of that will necessitate a higher budget that will 299 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,919 indeed help us leverage uh some additional funding I'd like to emphasize 300 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:45,039 that I think those core service challenges may be different than what 301 00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:49,960 we're asking for here the the the trolley service really has been funded 302 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:54,720 independently of of that Core Transit needs and what I think the the goal here 303 00:31:52,679 --> 00:31:59,440 is at least my vision for this trolley program is not that it stays uh in the 304 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:05,600 municipal budget over the long term right what what we really have here is 305 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:12,480 is a pilot program we had a a crisis with B so and drivers and ridership some 306 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:16,159 Cuts had to be made uh this line was cut my understanding is the labor situation 307 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:21,240 has shifted there are now drivers available and some of the the rationale 308 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:25,760 for for cutting the line now no longer exists director Hyde is is pretty 309 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:30,760 confident he can find a driver if the funding is there so so then the question 310 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,320 really becomes one about ridership we've heard from the public that there's is 311 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:39,679 need and demand for ridership uh and that becomes an 312 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:44,639 empirical question so my vision here is really as is a pilot program we we we 313 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:49,360 pay for the trolley out of the municipal coffers because we can uh to support 314 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:54,679 local businesses to support Camp Ellis for environmental purposes to support 315 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:58,559 public transit the ridership is there the businesses s Bay rentals hwis the 316 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,880 General Store others will see the benefits we find 317 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:07,840 independent funding sources maybe the city can help coordinate some of that as 318 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:12,559 can the local you know organizations and we come back next year with a plan for 319 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:16,519 full seasonal service that involves a lot of independent funding if the 320 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:21,039 ridership isn't there and the economic benefits don't materialize well then 321 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:25,720 it's a very different conversation next year about what the needs are and how 322 00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:30,760 it's done but until we put the trolley service into place we can't answer that 323 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,559 question right we don't we don't know if it'll work or not personally I'm very 324 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:38,600 optimistic I think the demand is there I think the need is there I think it'll 325 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:41,760 prove itself but this is this is four weeks of funding in order to really 326 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:48,000 answer that question thank you councelor Johnston 327 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:54,919 thank you um yeah I I mean I certainly understand the concept of of a pilot 328 00:33:50,399 --> 00:34:00,320 program um and like I said if if we were in a different time I could see myself 329 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:05,240 supporting this however and I think and I'm not putting words into councelor 330 00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:10,000 hatch's uh mouth but what I kind of gleam from what you were 331 00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:17,159 saying correct me if I'm wrong but essentially here rolling out a 332 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:21,919 four-week pilot program without a long-term funding 333 00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:28,159 source you personally and and I would subscribe to the same have concerns with 334 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:32,679 given that going to the Future there's an expectation that this will be 335 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:39,280 continued to be funded and that's the problem I have with it is that yes you 336 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:47,280 kind of chicken in the egg type scenario but it seems forced if the transit 337 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:54,359 organization felt or or saw the need my expectation is that they would have come 338 00:34:49,720 --> 00:35:00,880 out in support of this long ago um but I also understand uh psychology here and 339 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:04,640 as people from away are down at Camp Ellis there's going to be a trolley for 340 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,480 a month they're going to use it hopefully I think we all hope that um 341 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,960 and then if in fact it's not there next year because there's a lack of funding 342 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,680 people are going to be back here in these Chambers yelling and screaming and 343 00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:21,520 asking it to come back out of the the public coffers for it and again I've 344 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:26,560 seen it before we had a trolley it doesn't exist for whatever reason I'm 345 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:31,040 not uh privy exactly to why it didn't continue but 346 00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:37,400 I I do kind of view that as that was a pilot program and it ended so um 347 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:41,680 certainly if if we can get public buyin from the community down there because 348 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:47,520 this is as councilor hatch was saying above and beyond what the actual mission 349 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:54,520 is of our Transit organization this is a luxury and it does not serve the masses 350 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:58,599 public transit it's going to serve a small sector of the community for their 351 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:03,400 own purposes um now maybe there's merits to that in 352 00:36:00,839 --> 00:36:09,560 the future but presently as I said I feel like we're kind of cramming this 353 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:13,079 in when uh it hasn't been full fully thought out but that's my personal 354 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:19,119 opinion thank you councel huitt um I support councelor 355 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:24,079 Burman because I do believe it's business friendly and if we do make 356 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:28,520 actions to support our businesses that new businesses will grow our tax base I 357 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:32,240 think it's also enironmental environmentally friendly had the 358 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:37,720 opportunity to take the trolley during Harbor Fest so maybe in the future if it 359 00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:41,839 is a successful pilot program we could find a way to link it to the downtown 360 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:46,599 and bring some of that tourism to downtown Main Street in the future not 361 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,760 saying for tonight but just maybe getting some of the other businesses to 362 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,760 tie in as a 363 00:36:51,880 --> 00:37:00,480 consideration thank you anyone else Council arer without going into detail 364 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:04,800 was going to bring up just reing forth what I my concerns was when Chad 365 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:09,560 presented the director um again I see the economic impact actually not 366 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:14,000 benefiting but being detrimental to Sako what it's going to do is take everybody 367 00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:17,760 who is renting in cap uh Camp uh Ellis and bring them to Old Orchard it's going 368 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,560 to take the money that's already there and shift it away and I don't see The 369 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:27,040 Return of people in Old Orchard coming to Sako when you rent a hotel in a beach 370 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,880 friendly Community such as old or Beach you're doing it for the amenities that 371 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:35,480 it presents so for me it's more about the economics I see it more benefiting 372 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:40,839 Old Orchard um and they're not a partner in this and I just cannot commit our 373 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:45,200 Tech City funds um to this just because what I've looked at is I'm seeing more 374 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,720 of a benefit to Old Orchard and actually being 375 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,920 detrimental um because it will be pulling away the uh tourism from Camp 376 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:59,880 Ellis and bringing it to Old Orchard thank you anyone 377 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:03,000 else counc Berman uh just to just to point out that I think the owners of 378 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:06,480 hwit the General Store and we've heard from Soco Bay rentals tonight uh are 379 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,520 some of the strongest advocates for this trolley and and and strongly believe 380 00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:14,400 it'll help their businesses uh so there's some disagreement on that 381 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,400 analysis I 382 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:23,560 think counc ler and are these businesses contributing to this pilot project at 383 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:29,560 all if they're so vested in this in this Vision has there been any uh investment 384 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,920 into this that would likely rate a return for them as well I see it a 385 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:37,920 different way which is fine we all are allowed to look data as we see but based 386 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:43,040 on everything I see the money will be going out of Sako and not coming in and 387 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:48,000 then we're also paying 16,000 to lose additional 388 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:53,960 income thank you anyone else councilor gun thank you I just of 389 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:58,079 the am of the opinion that uh a one-month pilot program is not a big 390 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:02,880 Financial lift since we're going to be taking care of it 391 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:07,240 ourselves and again you know to you know we can't really know the actual demand 392 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:11,040 until we put it out there obviously again it's going to be late in the 393 00:39:08,359 --> 00:39:15,480 season um it's going to be rely a lot on Word of Mouth and hopefully get the 394 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:21,800 advertisement out so it's not exactly the fairest of um sort of uh you know 395 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,000 lab sort of uh experiments to see if it actually works though but let's just say 396 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,760 it doesn't work then it kind of justifies everybody's opinion that maybe 397 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,000 we should you know that it was a luxury we probably shouldn't go that way but if 398 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:38,520 it's an overwhelming success then it's gives us the ability 399 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:42,400 to um again look at funding mechanisms and see the feasibility for a summer 400 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,119 route could be a limited summer route though doesn't have just because it's 401 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:50,800 popular in August doesn't mean necessarily popular in June or September 402 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:55,480 for that matter so um just to put it out there as a pilot just to see if there 403 00:39:52,720 --> 00:40:00,520 really is legitimate interest and not just you know a couple of business 404 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:05,680 interests or a couple of uh tourist interests that um are driving it I think 405 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:09,960 would be beneficial um especially as we are now at a point where it is many 406 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:14,480 years past where it was canceled so therefore um the parameters have changed 407 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:19,960 the situation is changed and if you want to have that buy it buy in you're going 408 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:23,520 to get it by actually you know putting something out there to see if it works 409 00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:27,839 or not as opposed to just sort of you know just basing it off uh past 410 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,400 situations though when when past situations of you know we all agree and 411 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,520 the Public's agree is altered though Camp Ellis isn't the same as it was 10 412 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:40,880 years ago one way or the other so I don't think this is a big lift one way 413 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:44,440 or the other thank you thank you councelor 414 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:48,440 hatch thank you may mcfi I just like to see if we can gain some clarification on 415 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:53,319 a point councelor AR just made which I think is important this 16,000 I guess 416 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:58,400 I'll address it to City administrative boeno the 16,000 is 100% of the funding 417 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:04,480 so we have no indication from the stakeholders in Camp 418 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:10,720 Ellis as to any financial support they would be throwing at this pilot program 419 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:14,839 is that correct at this time uh I have not reached out or has anybody reached 420 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,760 out but I did hear from one of the speakers that they would be interested 421 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:25,119 in maybe putting some advertisement on the trolley which then helps uh be up 422 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:31,520 that's all I heard tonight but certainly uh we I can reach out and talk to people 423 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:38,560 about that uh it's uh again it's a pilot program um I was really did not 424 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:43,920 know if the city council was going to move in a positive way on this so uh I 425 00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:49,720 thought that if it was going to be something the city would continue with 426 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:56,400 we would then go out and formally ask for a participation thank 427 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:59,319 you councilor Burman and that's my understanding too is something some of 428 00:41:57,319 --> 00:42:03,880 the campellis businesses had reached out to bsob uh they couldn't come up with 429 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:08,280 with the necessary amount of money but did have money on the table uh and then 430 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,480 this proposal came forward through a separate channel uh and so there hasn't 431 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,960 been an effort to put those two pieces together in such a way to bring that 432 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:21,160 money together U but I I I think that there was money on the table from the 433 00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:25,119 local businesses offering to do it and and I'm sure part of any long-term plan 434 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:30,720 what will incorporate local businesses and advertising uh on the trolley I 435 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:35,640 think the idea that for this four-week pilot program or this sorry five-week 436 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:39,760 pilot program uh the city put together this funding 437 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:43,079 separately that is correct anyone 438 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:56,319 else okay roll call vote councelor arer no councelor Parks no councelor gun yes 439 00:42:52,400 --> 00:43:02,599 yes councelor Burman yes councelor hatch no 440 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,599 councelor huitt yes councelor Johnston 441 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,359 no motion fails 442 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:17,480 43 okay that now takes us to item C and that's a public hearing for the renewal 443 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:23,920 application for a special entertainment permit for GOI Ty barbecue and that is 444 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:30,960 councelor gun thank you Madame mayor Mabel Reese Reed Reese Reed Wallace 445 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:34,160 doing business as go Ty BBC LLC has applied for renewal of the 446 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,079 establishment's special entertainment permit the applicant has paid all 447 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,839 applicable permit fees and the clerk has properly advertised the public Hearing 448 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:48,000 in accordance with the Sako city code Chapter 93 entertainment subsection 449 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:51,160 932 I move to open the public hearing motion has been made to open the public 450 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:58,800 hearing by councelor gun is there a second second second by counselor 451 00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:04,400 hatch roll call vote councel arer hi councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes 452 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:08,240 councel Birman yes councelor hatch yes councelor huitt yes and councelor 453 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,880 Johnston yes motion to open the public hearing passes 454 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:16,240 70 anyone wishing to speak to the council please step forward state your 455 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,240 name and address for the 456 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:26,880 record you can if you wish [Laughter] 457 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:33,000 yes I'm sorry I I've have never done this before uh good evening 458 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:39,079 everyone I have had this license for the past two years but I've never really 459 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:43,319 used it um due to some challenges that I faced the death 460 00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:50,000 of my husband and the death of my death of my dad so I wasn't really in a 461 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:56,160 festive mood uh but the only reason why I'm seeking this license is to be able 462 00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:03,720 to just have a small band my brother is a musician just to play outside uh the 463 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:07,760 restaurant for a couple of hours I'm not looking to create a party scene so 464 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:12,680 please don't worry about that I'm not a party scener I just want to make sure 465 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:17,520 that if I have the small group go out there and play that everyone is covered 466 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,720 and that I'm fine great thank you Mel thank 467 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:29,079 you anyone El tring to speak okay not seeing anyone seeking 468 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:33,440 recognition roll call vote Council arer hi we don't we have to have oh I'm sorry 469 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:37,680 is there a motion to close the public hearing thank you can I thank you I move 470 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,640 to close the public hearing and be ordered be at ordered that the city 471 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,480 council Grant the renewal application submitted by Mabel Reed Wallace doing 472 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:50,160 businesses Ty barbeq LLC for a special entertainment permit I move to 473 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:56,280 approve the order motion has been made by councelor gun is there a second 474 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:56,280 second second by Council Johnston 475 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:05,200 roll call vote councelor Archer hi councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes 476 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:10,359 councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes councelor huitt yes and councelor 477 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,359 Johnston yes motion passes 478 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:18,520 70 okay that now takes us to item D and that is another public hearing for the 479 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:22,920 renewal application for a special entertainment permit and request for 480 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:27,800 extension of licensed privileges for an on- premise establishment Funtown 481 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:33,319 Splashtown USA and Sodexo live and that is councelor gun thank you madam mayor 482 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,359 htown plash toown USA has applied for renewal of the establishment special 483 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:45,480 entertainment permit to hold 21 plus only after hours events on July 13th 484 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:52,040 2024 August 3rd 2024 and August 24th 2024 volume Services Incorporated doing 485 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:55,280 business as sedo live 774 Portland Road currently has a liquor license that 486 00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:00,280 covers a couple other areas of the amusement park so Dr live is requesting 487 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:05,079 an extension of license privileges for an on premises establishment to cover 488 00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:08,520 the requested permitted um area for these special 489 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:12,280 events the special entertainment permit will be concurrent with the liquor 490 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:16,079 license for sedco live which expires on August 30th 491 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,520 2024 the applicant has paid all applicable appit fees and the clerk has 492 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:24,559 properly advertised the public Hearing in accordance with the Sako city code 493 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:33,119 Chapter 93 entertainment subsection 932 nmsa title 28a Liquors subsection 653 494 00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:38,040 paragraph 1 I move to open the public hearing motion has been made by 495 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:43,440 councelor gun is there a second second second by councelor 496 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:48,480 Burman roll call vote councelor Archer hi councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes 497 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:52,119 councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes councelor hwit yes councelor Johnston 498 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,920 yes motion to open the public hearing passes 499 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:58,680 70 if there is any member of the public wishing to speak on this item please 500 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,119 step forward and state your name and address for the 501 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:13,040 record good evening counselors since I'm here I figured I'd step up and say hi uh 502 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:19,040 Cory Cormier I'm actually 106 Ross Road l Beach um Funtown third 503 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:23,920 generation um so just a quick chat on the adult nights uh we've had great 504 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:28,760 success with them um we constantly check in with um the police department and see 505 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,440 how things go and we have had no complaints about over serving or um 506 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,920 people getting a little out of control we were actually pleasantly surprised 507 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:41,599 with how behaved people were um running them last year so we'd like to continue 508 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:46,200 that um it's a it's a good time um adults seem to really enjoy coming in 509 00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:50,280 and um they stay fairly well behaved so um moving forward we probably will do 510 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:57,799 this every year seems to work out pretty well so thank you for your time thank 511 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,799 you anyone else wishing to speak 512 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:06,000 okay not seeing anyone recognized councelor gun thank you I move to close 513 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,359 the public hearing and be at order that the city council Grant the renewal 514 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,799 application submitted by the Funtown Splashtown USA for a special 515 00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:18,200 entertainment permit and volume Services Incorporated doing business as sedo live 516 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:22,640 for an extension of license privileges for an on premises establishment said 517 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,359 special entertainment permit will run concurrent with the liquor license for 518 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:30,480 volume Services Incorporated doing business says sedo live I move to 519 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:35,400 approve the order motion has been made by councelor gun is there a second 520 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:42,799 second second by councelor Johnston roll call vote Council Roger 521 00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:48,960 all M just have a have com ahead Council Johnston yeah just for the benefit of of 522 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:55,680 the newer members of council because I don't think it's necessarily clear what 523 00:49:51,520 --> 00:50:01,040 exactly is occurring at these events um the extension of the permit has allowed 524 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:08,119 Funtown to allow adults to consume alcohol throughout the park not just in 525 00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:12,000 the beard tents for example um and as it's been indicated it seems like though 526 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:16,200 I haven't personally gone but it sounds like it's been a hit and I haven't heard 527 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:21,799 any problems with it but I just wanted to be clear exactly what we were doing 528 00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:25,480 thank you thank you they're modeling it after the 529 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:29,240 Storyland um adult notes that they do down there it's a model after that I 530 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:33,040 have attended and it is a fun time and everybody was well behaved so it's kind 531 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:37,160 of like Las Vegas now you just walk around and drink and have fun get on a 532 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:42,839 ride bring back a little Nostalgia from when you were a 533 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:49,280 kid anyone else okay councelor Archer hi councelor 534 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,920 Parks yes councelor gun yes councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes councelor 535 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:57,640 hwit yes and councelor Johnston yes motion passes 70 536 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,079 okay that now takes us to item e and that is an appeal case with the coastal 537 00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:12,280 Waters commission versus Michael chassis um we do have attorney Murphy with us 538 00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:17,000 and councelor Archer would you like to give the commentary uh yes madame mayor 539 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,960 on June 11th 2024 Michael chassis filed an appeal to the city council regarding 540 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:24,960 the decision of coastal wers commissions that upheld the 541 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:28,559 rec revocation of his peer permits made earlier by Harbor Master Dan Chad 542 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,960 born that is 543 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:39,240 it attorney Murphy I believe you were going to explain the quick process 544 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:51,000 yeah good evening nice to be for you tonight um it's important to remind all 545 00:51:48,799 --> 00:51:56,760 of you that uh this is one of those rare occasions you will be acting in what's 546 00:51:52,920 --> 00:52:01,520 called a semi or quasi judicial capacity you're not just passing an ordinance or 547 00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:05,960 uh enacting a new city policy you're making a decision essentially like a 548 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:09,079 judge so you have to be open-minded you have to hear what uh the various parties 549 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,480 have to say and at the end you're going to have to make a decision just like a 550 00:52:10,799 --> 00:52:17,400 court would make a decision traditionally appeals can be 551 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:22,799 handled in two ways and uh tonight we're going to follow one of them some appeals 552 00:52:19,799 --> 00:52:27,400 are handled in a process called denovo review and do quickly that means that 553 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:31,119 you would be acting essentially is the new fact finders you would take evidence 554 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:34,920 from the witnesses you would look at documents it would be a whole new 555 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:39,760 hearing and then you would render a decision this is not a denova review 556 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:46,040 tonight you're going to be conducting this as a pure appeal which means you're 557 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:50,040 going to look at the record the so-called record that was what the 558 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:53,520 decision of the body Below in this case the coastal Waters 559 00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:58,480 commission and you're going to review that record you're going to ask uh the 560 00:52:56,119 --> 00:53:02,359 appeal party Mr chassie you have an opportunity to ask him questions about 561 00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:06,359 the record about what the findings of the coastal Waters commission were and 562 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,480 you'll have the same opportunity to ask the coastal Waters commission share this 563 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:15,160 the very same questions even different ones at the end of that undertaking you 564 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,079 will render your decision there are essentially going to 565 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:24,119 be two questions you're going to need to look at tonight the first question is 566 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:30,079 did the coastal Waters commission have substantial evidence upon which debates 567 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:34,680 its decision that Mr chassis's peer permit should be 568 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:38,400 revoked so the test is was there substantial evidence in the record to 569 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:46,119 support a decision that Mr chassis violated section 11 18-20 and section 570 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:51,359 118-24 about storing personal property uh on city property the second question 571 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:55,880 that you'll you decide is also whether the coastal Water Commission otherwise 572 00:53:53,359 --> 00:54:00,920 made some error did it misunderstand or misapply or misinterpret the city code 573 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:05,200 so was there evidence to support their decision and did they correctly 574 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:10,559 interpret the city code as it's written those are what you'll decide at 575 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:14,119 the end the process is relatively straightforward because this is an 576 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:17,799 appeal you're not going to be taking evidence from new Witnesses you're not 577 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:23,760 going to be taking new documents Mr chassis is the appealing party starts 578 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:29,160 first he you are to afford him a reasonable period of time and you can 579 00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:34,000 determine how much that is um uh before you start you can advise him and then 580 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,520 after he completes his argument makes his explanation as to why he thinks he 581 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:42,880 didn't violate the city Charter uh excuse me the city code uh you then will 582 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:47,520 have opportunity to ask him questions and ask questions uh as you 583 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:53,160 see fit and what you think will help you to reach your 584 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:57,240 decision when that process is concluded uh you would invite up uh Mr Catz the 585 00:54:55,559 --> 00:55:02,839 chairman of the Coastal Waters commission he would explain to you his 586 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:07,640 reasons why the commission found that Mr chassis did violate the city ordinance 587 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,880 and again you will have the opportunity to question 588 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:17,599 him um if you like you can afford Mr chassis 589 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:24,839 as the appealing party a limited period of time to rebut the arguments of Mr 590 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,000 Catz when he's finished uh a reminder that you're not going to be taking new 591 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,680 evidence not new documents when that process is 592 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:37,319 then complete you've heard from the two parties you will deliberate in 593 00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:42,599 public and essentially your decision is either to 594 00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:46,760 affirm which means approve or vacate the decision of the coastal Waters 595 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:52,440 commission you would vote by motion and that's all done in public and then just 596 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:56,880 as a reminder once you decide uh either party would have an option to appeal 597 00:55:54,319 --> 00:56:00,960 your decision to the main Superior Court up an Alfred doesn't mean they will but 598 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,240 each side has that opportunity someone will be disappointed tonight in other 599 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:09,720 words that's the nature of being a judge uh that's the burden you're handed 600 00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:15,760 tonight um as you undertake the process I'm here to answer questions if I can uh 601 00:56:12,839 --> 00:56:21,240 I'm happy to uh but my sense is you're well aware of how this uh process goes 602 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:24,760 we've done uh appeals like this before um so any questions at this stage before 603 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,520 we get started Council 604 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:32,760 yeah before we start I'd like to acknowledge that as the liaison of the 605 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:38,440 coastal Waters commission I was present uh during the initial uh appeal at the 606 00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:42,440 coastal Waters commission uh I I didn't take part in liberations nor did I vote 607 00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:47,079 I think I asked a clarifying question at one point uh is there any reason to 608 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:53,400 recuse myself from from uh have you formed any opinions or view as to the 609 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:58,240 matter have I simply sat and listened Mr chassis any objection to councelor 610 00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:58,240 Burman participating 611 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,640 okay Council have any 612 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:13,160 objection Mr Catz thank 613 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:17,200 you um during the final vote is this a similar to a motion will will a motion 614 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:21,319 be made and then a first and second a a motion to either firm or vacate would be 615 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:27,920 made it would need a second and then a majority of you would need to support 616 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,920 that motion for it to pass thank you yep 617 00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:37,119 anyone else have questions councilor Johnson thank you um just a clarifying 618 00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:44,880 question um in your letter uh attorney Murphy you indicate that the uh let me 619 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:51,359 get this right the the moing permit was not a part of this appeal but in the 620 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:57,480 packet several times it's indicated that U Mr chassis's moing permit was revoked 621 00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:01,319 it so the timing of this played out such that the night as I understand it the 622 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:06,079 night of the hearing of the coastal Waters commission Mr chassis's permit 623 00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:11,119 was still live it hadn't been revoked yet it has subsequently been revoked as 624 00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:14,359 I understand it but that's not before you tonight okay I think it was 625 00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:19,000 discussed because it may have been anticipated that he might lose it uh is 626 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,960 that's a separate action that would be a separate matter the moing permit has 627 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,280 nothing to do with this absolutely because the coastal Waters commission 628 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,640 hasn't acted on that yet there Mr chassis would have to appeal it and then 629 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:35,680 it would go to Coastal Waters and then it would go to you so you're limited to 630 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,559 the boat on city land and personal property on city 631 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:49,200 land does that answer your question councelor Johnson it does um and I guess 632 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:56,119 a follow-up question it might not be for attorney Murphy um but as we start this 633 00:58:52,240 --> 00:59:04,839 could the appropriate individual explain exactly what the uh peer use permit 634 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:10,760 entails for the permitted person um I mean I think it's rather straightforward 635 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:15,280 but to be honest I I never had a per permit use or pure use permit down there 636 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:20,480 so I'm just trying to wrap my head around what it allows I'd recommend you 637 00:59:17,799 --> 00:59:25,520 ask both Mr chassis his understanding of it and Mr cat's his understanding of it 638 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:29,520 and then you'll have a a clear thank you and if we do have Harbor Master 639 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:34,880 chadborne here as well who understands the ordinance and the permit Council 640 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:39,039 again that that mayor were not allowed to it's part of the process you wouldn't 641 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:42,880 bring in Witnesses oh okay it's an appeal so you would hear separate thank 642 00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:46,520 you for clarifying that yes uh Mr Murphy it wasn't I reading through the packet 643 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:50,880 and reading through you know just the uh the back and forth I was never clear to 644 00:59:48,359 --> 00:59:55,119 me what exactly is the nature of Mr chassis's business down there so 645 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,760 therefore if if it's not new evidence it's not you can ask that question 646 00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:02,480 because obviously just for the simple context of trying to understand you know 647 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:06,440 a how a went to be though so you know to the extent you need some basic 648 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:09,760 information that's fair game for you to ask because you you you're having to 649 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:15,079 make an informed decision we don't want you operating in the dark good 650 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:20,599 absolutely thank you okay anyone else and is everyone set with a five 651 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:25,240 minute speaking time for both Mr chassis and Mr 652 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,400 Catz that sound fair okay so we will go with five minutes thank 653 01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:32,839 you 654 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:43,559 okay good evening Mr chassis thank you for coming good evening council members 655 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:49,880 my name is Michael chassis I'm the owner of w or Beach waterports LLC for the 656 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:53,799 past five months it's been very difficult with everything that conspired 657 01:00:51,319 --> 01:00:59,920 was a property I leased for 13 years in Camp Ellis a lot of Camp Ellis stock 658 01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:05,240 tonight um the property also was my residence where I lived my business was 659 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:10,559 there we sold Bait and Tackle and did various SP sports Paris sailing jet ski 660 01:01:07,319 --> 01:01:15,240 rentals bdle boards and kayak rentals this business is how I've made most of 661 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:19,559 my income for my family for the last 13 years my make my whole income basically 662 01:01:17,799 --> 01:01:24,480 in three months and I have a supplemental job in the 663 01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:29,200 offseason um when the property got sold there's a lot of things that conspired 664 01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:33,480 that created this very difficult unexp unexpected 665 01:01:31,319 --> 01:01:39,799 Circumstance the the Harbor Master revoked my seven peer permits which is a 666 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:45,960 lot of money for the city basically shutting down my entire business and 667 01:01:42,839 --> 01:01:51,359 that I never received any type any written warnings nothing legal about 668 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:58,720 having my peer permits for vote in in all of the 12 years yeah we've you know 669 01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:05,039 there's been a lot of formal complaints about his conduct not just from me by 670 01:02:02,279 --> 01:02:10,960 other people even just in the last couple of weeks but he's always bent the 671 01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:16,680 rules for me over the years it's been a long time we've known each other loss 672 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:21,520 have happened um he just you always just let it go let it go let it go so you 673 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:27,920 kind of just get used to that kind of mentality where Danel let it slide Dan 674 01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:33,160 let it slide well then and he just bends in the rules as he pleases and now he's 675 01:02:30,279 --> 01:02:36,680 playing this hard ball on me and over a parking 676 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:41,200 violation in the middle of winter with all these huge storms the road was out 677 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:47,480 so I couldn't move stuff at a lot of time um I got the stuff out that was in 678 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:52,079 the main parking lot and I actually cleaned the parking 679 01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:57,680 lot up really well after that with the machine and um the the stuff that was 680 01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:03,920 left in this spot in question was my driveway for 13 years and the pictures 681 01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:09,000 that are shown I have the overhead pictures if I could show you guys but 682 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:13,599 and it shows you the exact area it's little right next to the house it was my 683 01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:21,079 driveway for 13 years um just I think revoking all my 684 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:27,680 pair permits is shutting my entire business down which brings thousands of 685 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:32,000 people to town I make camp a destination speaking about the trolley thing I was 686 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:37,520 part of getting it a few years back I had a giant ad on that bus and I brought 687 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:44,520 people from Old Orchard to Camp palis with it and it wasn't as busy as I had 688 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:51,359 hoped but it we tried that and the um the trunker freet party that was old or 689 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:55,279 Beach waterports we we did that party um my girlfriend and I we threw that party 690 01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:00,079 and two years and it got really successful 691 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:04,599 um I would ra they were talking about maybe giving me a summons about the 692 01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:07,160 stuff left on the proper this was stuff that was left there in the middle of 693 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:12,359 winter where there's no one down there in the entire Camp houseace as you all 694 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:17,079 know was trashed um I mean if it just the rules were 695 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:23,960 always just let to slide and slide and slide and they just shouldn't have been 696 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:28,920 and it we wouldn't be in this situation um I know just a so many different 697 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:32,160 points the the property lines where my boat and stuff was was always an 698 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:37,279 argument with the city and the owner the previous owner they told me before that 699 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:44,760 that's our property this is our property line and I mean it was all 700 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:50,279 just you know I just I just thought that over the last 13 years you know just as 701 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:54,839 long as you get it done get it get it fixed and everything will be good but 702 01:04:52,000 --> 01:05:00,799 this year just all of a sudden slapped with Pier permits revoked all at once 703 01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:06,000 and I thought that my moing was part of that so that's why I didn't do anything 704 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:12,680 about the moing and we actually did speak about the moing at the last um at 705 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:18,200 my first uh meeting with these guys and literally all the stuff in my 706 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,920 where it was parked the city usually grant me a spot where I could put stuff 707 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:26,400 and gave me it right away into the parking lot of my business and that's 708 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:32,359 where everything was during this whole ordeal I just and I just think that 709 01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:37,160 revoking all my permits is shutting down my business which I actually invested 710 01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:42,680 $660,000 into last year with all new machines made everything look better 711 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:46,880 again and that's it's a harsh punishment for for a parking 712 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:52,119 violation it really is 713 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:58,920 um I wish I could can I show them the overhead photos I of the no Mr chess the 714 01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:01,960 5 minutes is up and we do have um photos in our packet I know but I wanted to 715 01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:07,599 show you the overhead that actually shows you where wasn't next to the house 716 01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:11,680 because that camera angle is just it makes it 717 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:15,160 look a lot different the overhead does tells no Li attorney Murphy is that 718 01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:23,640 considered new evidence okay no unfortunately not I 719 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:23,640 apologize okay okay thank you um next 720 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:32,079 up oh yes please oh I'm sorry yes any questions from Mr 721 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,079 chassis at this 722 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:51,000 time this is difficult sorry for me this is difficult 723 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:56,200 because as I understand what I've been tasked to do um is probably different 724 01:06:54,760 --> 01:07:00,559 than what I want to do as far 725 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:05,880 as interpret things the way I'm seeing it or ask questions because apparently 726 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:11,760 you can't have what is deemed uh new evidence but I I will 727 01:07:08,359 --> 01:07:18,119 ask the area because from the images that we have I it's not clear to me 728 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:26,240 exactly where this equipment was located was it in the actual confines of what is 729 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:31,359 a parking lot or was it on on there there was part of part of it was part of 730 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,400 it was part before the last day and but the boat and the things that were left 731 01:07:33,319 --> 01:07:40,720 over after because the roads were I couldn't tow it up there's a huge boat 732 01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:45,720 and um that was in the the driveway that the Harbor Master said that's the city's 733 01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:49,119 property they're taking it back but you can park there for now and I went 734 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:55,480 overtime with the park in there but I have been parking there in that exact 735 01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:55,480 spot for 13 years 736 01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:04,760 and that's again I'm just looking at a an aerial image 737 01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:10,119 that's what used to be a paper Street or a street at 738 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:12,559 least what I'm looking at from uh the city's 739 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:21,239 Maps which would be the city's property but I don't know if that's part of the 740 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,239 parking 741 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:29,440 lot yes please um this wouldn't be considered new evidence if I asked it's 742 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:34,159 just a different perspective we look at Google Maps together and ask us to him 743 01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:38,440 to point out the location on evidence already presented to us for 11a that 744 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,960 would not be new evidence it's just looking for clarification using commonly 745 01:08:40,839 --> 01:08:45,960 accepted mapping 746 01:08:46,839 --> 01:08:57,000 here uh I believe Alex and Communications can is it possible to 747 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:57,000 bring up Google Maps on the screen 748 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:12,239 got it Tim Tim yeah can you so you're looking at the record of 749 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:16,359 documents you have before you which is what came to you in the packet those are 750 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:20,600 what was be those were the documents before the coastal Waters commission 751 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:28,279 from them could they reach a reasonable decision that Mr chassis was within or 752 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:33,400 outside the city uh property so you're reviewing did they have evidence to 753 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:38,199 conclude properly or or did they air uh but you can't conduct your own 754 01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:43,040 fact findings nope but looking at a map saying is this the area you're talking 755 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:47,679 about is a clarifying question you can ask Mr chassis any kind of clarifying 756 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,679 question you want going out beyond the record is not 757 01:09:52,520 --> 01:10:01,000 allowed so if we're not clear of the actual ual property in question MH we 758 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:07,080 cannot get that clarified is that you you can ask Mr Kat 759 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:13,840 and you can M Mr chassis based on the exhibits you have in the 760 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:18,040 record show us explain to us where you understand city property be and and 761 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:22,199 where do you understand is not city property you can ask that question but 762 01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:25,640 the record of documents is what you have you're within that Universe of documents 763 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,880 otherwise you're cond conducting a denovo hearing you're going to allow all 764 01:10:27,719 --> 01:10:34,760 kinds of records and evidence which is was not how the appeal should be handled 765 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:39,080 so we're taking the word of the documents for clarification that this is 766 01:10:36,679 --> 01:10:43,480 the city property uh Council huitt and then 767 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:47,440 Council Burman can I just ask a question you mentioned that it was property you 768 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,920 would own for several years at the time of the violation did you own the 769 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:57,560 property I may I ask the address excuse me you said that it was property at 770 01:10:54,920 --> 01:11:01,760 least you leased it okay was it under your lease at the time of the violation 771 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:07,040 I was still um I was still a resident there yes okay and can I ask the address 772 01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:11,360 of the property when it got sold is when all my stuff got moved off the par off 773 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:16,679 the parking lot into the into the city parking lot they required me to move my 774 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:21,520 equipment so they could close on the property the new buyers and they had 775 01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:28,880 made a deal with me to make a lease for my for my um my bait shop in the Beach 776 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:34,440 area that I rented my my business from where I rented out myself 777 01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:40,120 and they gave me a huge huge runaround and I spoke about this at the at the 778 01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:44,600 harbor commission so it's not new and um I was the harbor Messa thought he was 779 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:51,719 lied to by me and he wasn't he was lied to by the new homeowner 780 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:55,880 and the new homeowner that had me do change my addresses change the insurance 781 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,440 reinsure the property I jumped through all the Hoops for my lease because I 782 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:08,120 wanted to get the equipment back onto the parking lot to get it out of the 783 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:12,960 city's area um he backed out on me and everything kind of fell apart from there 784 01:12:09,719 --> 01:12:18,840 and it's it's been it's been a nightmare because we've been there for a really 785 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:25,400 long time and is a very confusing situation okay thank you I really wish I 786 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:28,679 could show you the overheads because shows you where where where the lines 787 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:34,760 are and everything I can't show you 788 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:39,480 that y Council bman uh just to clarify some of the discussion I think that the 789 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:43,719 problem that we're tasked with is determining whether the coastal Waters 790 01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:48,199 commission had sufficient evidence that the boats and trash were on city 791 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:52,320 property that that's I think that's the question that we're asking using the 792 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:55,600 evidence that we have in front of us and if we determine that they had sufficient 793 01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:59,440 evidence then we may have confirm their decision and if we find they didn't have 794 01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:02,880 sufficient evidence then we might decide that we want to revoke their finding but 795 01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:06,560 but I think that's the exact question which is why introducing additional 796 01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:10,600 evidence is difficult because we have to determine whether they had sufficient 797 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:15,480 evidence based on their record and I think that that's the question we're 798 01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:20,639 discussing is is is exactly uh the issue at hand uh but then to Mr chassis could 799 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:25,520 you just clarify the timeline a little bit because I've gotten a little bit 800 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:29,719 confused in the narrative so you had leased the property uh from which you 801 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:33,719 ran your business and resided it sounded like yes and as part of that some of 802 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:39,080 your equipment was stored at that property always right in in in what in 803 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:44,600 what you're calling your driveway at at some point that property was sold and 804 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:50,719 now you no longer had access to that property you had some equipment that had 805 01:13:46,679 --> 01:13:54,760 to be moved from that property onto now what's the Peer parking lot is that 806 01:13:52,639 --> 01:13:58,560 correct some of it was on the actual parking parking lot and some of it was 807 01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:01,719 in the driveway at question right and so and so and so you're pointing out I got 808 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:07,159 most of the stuff out of the main parking lot and cleaned it all up way 809 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:12,360 before April 10th but there was some some some stuff was in the parking lot 810 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:16,000 some stuff was in a driveway driveway SL city park and your and your assertion is 811 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:20,800 that there's some confusion about whether that is affiliated with the 812 01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:24,320 property whether that's city property it's always been a thing with the with 813 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,920 that property line but at but at a different point you said you had to 814 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:33,280 remove all of your materials from the property in order for the closing to go 815 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:38,719 through yes so at that point was there still your equipment in the driveway or 816 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:42,199 was it all off the driveway at that point I moved the boat it was nothing 817 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:46,920 was in the driveway when they told me like Dan told me to park in the parking 818 01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:52,600 lot I put the boat in the thing right on the side where it's the parking lot with 819 01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:56,040 the paper Road they call it and then did it go back into the driveway or did it 820 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:59,880 stay in the new stay in there stayed right there was like half in the 821 01:14:57,159 --> 01:15:04,080 driveway and a bit of it was on the line but the the the strike for the parking 822 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:07,480 lot it was way outside the boat but but the bank and the property owners were 823 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:11,199 satisfied that your equipment was off the property at that point is that 824 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:15,840 correct they never even needed to me to do that it was just uh something to get 825 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:20,320 me off the property I believe okay cuz no one ever came down there for but but 826 01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:25,960 but that was the final location of your of your materials yes sir okay yeah 827 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,960 thank you 828 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:35,080 Council Johnston thank you again I have all sorts of thoughts and comments um 829 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:40,960 but I will try to stick to the record um just take me back since again I I 830 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:46,679 read through the packet it's not necessarily clear exactly how this 831 01:15:43,639 --> 01:15:52,080 transpired starting in January correct January sounds like the property that 832 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:58,560 you lived at also operated a business out of Fairly familiar with it um 833 01:15:55,639 --> 01:16:02,800 was being sold so basically you were being forced out um at that point it 834 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:07,960 would appear that uh you had some 835 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:14,480 communication with the Harbor Master and asked if you could locate your equipment 836 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:18,360 into the city's parking lot there was nothing 837 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:22,320 official he said I could but that's how it got there he didn't just overnight 838 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:30,280 say I'm going to put my stuff into the city's I asked asked I asked for okay so 839 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:35,920 you had some level of uh permission he told me to park it there and it sat 840 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:40,880 there until it was no longer allowed all these storms and then the action was get 841 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:45,760 this off the city's property so it was a period of several months that the 842 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:52,080 city in essence had no problem with you being in violation of 843 01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:57,719 these ordinance is is that your opinion he I want he wanted me to get it 844 01:16:54,679 --> 01:17:04,120 off there and I got up as but during that period from January I don't march 845 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:08,320 to March there was no get this off the city's property until we had those 846 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:11,920 storms and whatnot I there was a lot going on with storms and we did talk a 847 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:16,120 couple times about getting stuff and I had got down there and when they were 848 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:19,480 cleaning out property there there was so much of other people's junk everywhere 849 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:24,320 from the storm we were just picking up we cleaned 850 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:28,920 the entire Beach and it was all right there 851 01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:32,960 and I did I should have got into the dumpster that the city provided for a 852 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:40,960 while I should have worked harder on doing it um I just think losing my 853 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:47,280 entire business over something like this is where I'm why is why I'm here yeah um 854 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:53,360 now you stated this was over a a parking 855 01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:59,280 violation the city or Coastal Waters sites several sections of the code um I 856 01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:03,520 I guess my question for you is how do you view this as a parking violation ver 857 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:10,440 a violation of the ordinances violation what the ordinances 858 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:15,280 that they've again the ORD the ordinance say a storage of vehicles but I mean I 859 01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:18,760 didn't forcefully store it there I was told to park there and it ended up I 860 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:23,960 couldn't get it off in time and I was promised a lease on that 861 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:28,600 on the back on the back of that property where I could put my stuff back on and 862 01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:32,639 some really shady business deals happen with that and all of a sudden I'm out of 863 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:36,840 there and I just get my my peer permit being 864 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:44,800 revoked over storage issue is so so just again 865 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:49,199 the comment of parking violation that was a a generalization because 866 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:54,960 essentially you parked your stuff there um but but you you you would agree that 867 01:18:51,920 --> 01:19:00,080 you're in violation of of what the actual ordinance is not hasn't been 868 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:05,639 enforced if I could point on that map that you pulled up where it was I'll 869 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,639 show you where the stuff 870 01:19:08,679 --> 01:19:15,520 was are you all at Council Johnson yeah I am for 871 01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:26,880 now it yeah I'm it okay councelor gun then councel rer 872 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:31,239 thank you Madame mayor uh Mr chassis I was reading through the um for lack of 873 01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:34,600 better term the sort of the narrative sort of the back and forth on the text 874 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,400 messages that was included because that's that's all we can go with is what 875 01:19:36,639 --> 01:19:45,400 with the coastal Waters commission uh found and in following the narrative um 876 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:50,120 it was clear to me that the Harbor Master wanted you to have your uh items 877 01:19:48,679 --> 01:19:55,880 office the property at a certain point what's not 878 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:59,320 clear to me again and attorney Murphy will stop me if this is introducing new 879 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:04,360 evidence though what's not clear to me is exactly under the circumstances since 880 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:11,360 from my interpretation it was clear what the Harbor Master wanted you to do um 881 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:17,520 including a timetable moving timetable as it was why you did not under the 882 01:20:14,639 --> 01:20:22,120 circumstances move the move the items given that there was certainly an 883 01:20:19,639 --> 01:20:25,280 urgency to it it wasn't sort of a move it whenever you want to Mike you're 884 01:20:23,639 --> 01:20:30,000 going to be all fine as opposed to it was more you need to do this now I am 885 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:34,840 really I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and find you know that's because 886 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:41,480 over all these years it's been very lenient and you just you know I was 887 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:47,120 waiting for that lease to go through I did all the paperwork I did everything 888 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:52,719 and they backed out on the last day and I got the stuff out of the the the 889 01:20:49,719 --> 01:20:56,520 serious area where it was in the way of it wasn't in the way of anything it was 890 01:20:54,400 --> 01:21:00,120 in front of it was in an old EAS that I had that they took away from me a couple 891 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:04,120 years ago um and the stuff in the driveways just where I would had parked 892 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:10,360 for years and years I figured Dan has always been just lenient he just you 893 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:13,440 know he let you do let you go he just let gives you a break you I just thought 894 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:18,159 I was going to get a break and I didn't get a break but so you if if I may you 895 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:22,880 didn't have any thought that perhaps under the circumstances if a Situation's 896 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:27,840 not going right as you indicated with this lease or if the you know Harbor 897 01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:32,480 Master was adant that you need to have your stuff out you didn't think perhaps 898 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:37,040 given the uncertainness of the situation I probably should have you know rented a 899 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:40,080 storage sack somewhere up up nor Saka for a month or something just to cover 900 01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:44,880 your basis you you you're you're indicating that under the circumstances 901 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:51,320 based on your pess past relationship with the city that you did not think 902 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:54,800 that was a necessary action to take I was sure of the fact because I took 903 01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:58,000 these people's word that they were giving me my lease back and I was going 904 01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:02,880 to be a be able to put it right back onto where I always stored it for the 905 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:07,199 last 12 13 years okay so both I waited and waited and then they literally 906 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:10,880 backed out and I can't show you any of this evidence that's that's not it's 907 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:16,199 that's not relevant though my my to my question my question was so to clarify 908 01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:21,480 both the the situation you had with the lease with the people with the lease and 909 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:25,880 relationship with do with Mr chadborne uh gave you 910 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:32,080 enough impetus to believe that nothing would happen if AB absolutely and that's 911 01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:38,520 how I've just been I've learned it to be down in campal is very lenient and 912 01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:41,639 forgiving and I just is how how it's always been okay I just I want to see 913 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:46,360 what your point of view on that was thank you thank you yes sir Council 914 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:50,880 Archer yes thank you mayor um as we've discussed is we can only consider what 915 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:56,000 we see here um so I'd like your opinion on what I'm looking at um and you may 916 01:22:52,960 --> 01:23:02,080 come to me uh to LA on 310 we have a picture of a can you point to me where a 917 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:06,840 city marker oh you come come to me um I don't know if we have this as 918 01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:12,199 electronic versions um can you point to me a city marker a city Granite please 919 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:16,480 uh indicating where city property lies in this picture that this is all 920 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:22,960 that we can consider can you show me there's not one okay uh 310 photo B is 921 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:28,040 that your stuff uh can you show a marker of where 922 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:35,199 the city property is compared to the property that you had access to at the 923 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:39,280 time 411a not done yet sorry can you show me a property 924 01:23:37,159 --> 01:23:43,639 marker indicating where the property line is and where the city of sako's 925 01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:49,760 line begins all right this one piece of evidence I'll call it undocumented there 926 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:54,040 is no 411 number um can you show me a property line marker anything stone that 927 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:57,920 would indicate where the property barrier is and the last one 928 01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:02,679 41c and is that your stuff and can you show me a property 929 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:07,719 marker or any such of the sort indicating where the city property lies 930 01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,719 and where your own is thank 931 01:24:11,719 --> 01:24:19,440 you that's all I have thank you councelor Johnston yeah then councelor 932 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:25,159 hatch uh again seven permits you said were 933 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:29,520 revoked and and previously you say you know it's kind of lenient 934 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:37,000 down there had you ever been threatened with revoution of those permits no just 935 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:41,600 he just always like hey you get it done you know oh hey as long as no one 936 01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:45,760 doesn't say anything you'll be all right get them just make your money this month 937 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:50,600 pay it next month that's how it was it was lenient and if it was always done by 938 01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:54,760 the rules I would have been into that mode you know if it was always strict 939 01:24:52,400 --> 01:25:01,280 and by the book none of this would have ever 940 01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:04,880 happened thank you Council hatch thank you mayor mcf I just want to get my head 941 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:11,239 around the um the lease agreement here so you said 942 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:18,159 you you lived in this property for 13 years I and you had a you had a a a 943 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:22,840 lease to live there and use it uh for business so this a written lease I had a 944 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:28,000 lease for the previous owners correct okay and and when did that lease expire 945 01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:32,880 my lease expired last year I was on a month to month from at that point month 946 01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:39,360 to month okay and that explains that so so the new owners had 947 01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:43,119 no responsibility to honor any previous lease agreements because you were no we 948 01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:47,440 had we had made an agreement together because we had actually had a deal to 949 01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:51,360 buy the property together okay but you didn't have a you didn't have a written 950 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:55,960 lease you didn't have no it was being processed by the lawyers okay all right 951 01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:01,440 which is why I was waiting so long I was like come on give me this so I can get 952 01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:06,280 this stuff out of the lot okay so so so you were 953 01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:13,600 anticipating having access and rights to that space But that never materialized 954 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:19,920 absolutely all right and um and then the party that bought the that bought the 955 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:25,840 property um were you aware of any surveying activity that usually 956 01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:31,440 accompanies a a property trans action um no no 957 01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:38,080 okay all right and then there's evidence in the record that you uh had 958 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:43,760 historically had some challenges paying uh fees on time um you know every time I 959 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:47,960 was late on a bill I I came and I paid the late payment and they just let they 960 01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:54,760 always let it slide every time it was late they just let it slide this it 961 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:58,040 was someone else not doing their job okay all right thank 962 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:07,719 you anyone else councilor rer yes thank you I just 963 01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:10,800 want to pick it back off councelor hatch's statement about when you said 964 01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,679 you were in no lease when you have a lease and the lease expires it 965 01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:17,719 automatically goes into month to month unless you have vacated the property so 966 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,080 I'm just looking for clarification did you vacate the property I hadn't vacated 967 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:24,560 the property because you were still in a month-to Monon lease which required 968 01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:31,080 30day notice which required mailing to you do you have did you receive any 969 01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:38,119 mailings no never uh did you when a uh notice to quit occurs and there's 970 01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:41,800 property left over uh the new landlord or the land owner has to give you a 971 01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:46,560 notice saying that you have so many days to remove the property did not the city 972 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,960 did the owner of the property do that no they did not okay thank you Council 973 01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:54,880 liberman sorry I just want to follow up on that because that's I'm confused now 974 01:27:53,159 --> 01:28:00,840 I I thought the new owner had asked you to remove your your materials from their 975 01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:06,520 property the new owners asked me to to remove the old the new owners asked me 976 01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:10,560 to remve it so I could close on the property before they closed on the 977 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:15,760 property because they agreed that they were going to give me a 978 01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:19,719 lease to keep my business running as he said business as usual don't worry I 979 01:28:17,639 --> 01:28:24,760 just need your stuff off the lot so I can close and then you can put back and 980 01:28:21,719 --> 01:28:30,639 and when did that closing occur it was sometimes 981 01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:35,880 in mid to late March right so so it kept dragging on 982 01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:40,239 and dragging on and dragging on so so so so so the new owners took possession of 983 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:44,560 the property sometime in March right and now we're in April with 984 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:51,880 some of these texts is that correct March or early April my stuff 985 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:57,600 was out of there and I was in I before they took ownership of the house 986 01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,679 right but so so so you knew your material was not on their property at 987 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:05,080 the time and and it was on city property 988 01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:10,000 there's no it was there's no debate about that the old my old driver would 989 01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:14,119 became the city's property again according to the Harbor Master they were 990 01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:16,719 taking it back okay that's what he told me thank 991 01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:24,719 you I parked there for 13 years okay anyone else 992 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:34,360 no further questions for Mr chassis at this time okay thank you Mr chassis 993 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,360 thank you appreciate your 994 01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:45,560 time okay next up we will bring uh Mr Katz who is the chair of the coastal 995 01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:45,560 Waters 996 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:55,800 commission thank you mayor counselors and administrator 997 01:29:52,880 --> 01:30:03,800 bohenko um um during the question and answer period 998 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:10,480 uh if you have them after I uh read my remarks I'm going to call on the Harbor 999 01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:15,239 Master because uh the Harbor Master has the intimate 1000 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:21,719 knowledge of the trials and tribulations that have gone on there for the last 13 1001 01:30:17,639 --> 01:30:29,080 years with this particular tenant on the pier I'll read to you from the letter 1002 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:34,280 that I sent him following the uh Coastal Waters 1003 01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:39,400 commission uh hearing of his appeal understand that chapter 439 the primary 1004 01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:46,239 function of the coastal Waters commission is to hear appeals of actions 1005 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:52,159 taken by the Harbor Master the Harbor Master is an 1006 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:56,119 individual member of the team of Sako he is not a member of the coastal water 1007 01:30:54,159 --> 01:31:03,239 commission and does not vote on that commission the Harbor Master role is 1008 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:10,360 defined by total 38 of Maine law Maine deals with 1009 01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:18,119 3400 miles of Coastline divided up among 144 1010 01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:23,600 communities and it is a solemn and difficult task to manage all those 1011 01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:28,040 resources and it's done with and through title 1012 01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:31,920 38 with the authority of city council who chooses the individual to be that 1013 01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:38,199 Harbor Master under Direction and guidance by 1014 01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:43,800 the Maine Harbor Masters Association 1015 01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:49,080 and comes before uh the coastal Waters commission uh if a situation 1016 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:56,679 develops as this did our role at that point is to advise 1017 01:31:53,920 --> 01:32:03,360 city council because we have knowledge of that area all seven of the members of 1018 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:10,040 this commission live in Ward 4 many of them live very close to Camp 1019 01:32:07,159 --> 01:32:15,360 Ellis they know what goes on in the pier two of our members are commercial 1020 01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:19,960 fishermen who are on that Pier every day directions that are given to the 1021 01:32:17,719 --> 01:32:24,600 Harbor Master by the Harbor Master to one individual have to carry over to 1022 01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:29,960 everybody else and they have to 1023 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:34,560 see that those rules and regulations are being forced on everybody else because 1024 01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:39,400 everybody down there is fighting for space fighting for 1025 01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:46,000 opportunities to earn a living and the Harbor Master fully understands that and 1026 01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:53,239 that's why to be fair he has to meet out the restrictions and the corrections as 1027 01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:59,400 necessary so we had our meeting on May 14th 1028 01:32:54,800 --> 01:33:05,159 to uh handle this appeal and at the appeal the first speaker was the Harbor 1029 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:09,800 Master who read the document that you have in your packet 1030 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:15,080 hm1 Harbor Master one and when he was done with that the 1031 01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:22,760 members of the commission asked questions and received 1032 01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:27,400 answers and then it was Mr chassis's turn to speak 1033 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:32,719 and when he was done we had an opportunity to ask him questions and the 1034 01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:38,719 Harbor Master could ask Mr chassis and Mr chassis could ask the Harbor 1035 01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:42,360 Master we then came to the time when we had to make a decision how to proceed 1036 01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:47,320 with the vote we decided that we would make a 1037 01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:54,440 motion to deny the appeal of Mr chassis and 1038 01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:59,960 there was discussion on the motion now on the commission we have the two 1039 01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:03,480 fishermen we have uh several businessmen we have a couple of 1040 01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:09,719 recreational boers and they all asked questions one 1041 01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:15,880 of the big ones was what's going to happen now on the pier because he 1042 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:20,440 doesn't have a place to keep his stuff you know maybe maybe he needs to 1043 01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:25,000 find a harbor where there is a place where he can keep his stuff because the 1044 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:30,760 contention between the Harbor Master and this particular tenant is going to go on 1045 01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:35,000 forever because the tenant just didn't seem to 1046 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:41,119 realize what was the backing of the Harbor Master who is this guy this guy 1047 01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:47,000 is certified by you the city council this guy is following rules and 1048 01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:54,520 regulations set down by the state of Maine in title 38 trying to keep a 3400 1049 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:58,800 mile Coastline under control without trash and lobster pots and all kinds of 1050 01:34:56,679 --> 01:35:06,040 things all over the place that don't belong there so we sent him a 1051 01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,840 letter on May 18th thank you Mr cats your five minutes is you like to just 1052 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:15,920 close it up okay thank you very much so we just uh we took the vote and we 1053 01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:21,239 decided that that would be our recommendation to you would be to 1054 01:35:17,719 --> 01:35:25,800 support our finding that his peer permit should be revoked thank you thank you if 1055 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:30,840 you'd like to stay up at the podium I will yes but I may have to call the 1056 01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:35,400 Harbor Master if if okay per the attorney unfortunately we can't do that 1057 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:41,400 um that is bringing in a secondary or a new um witness I guess would be the ter 1058 01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:47,440 I'm sorry I didn't understand that yeah okay anyone have questions for Mr Catz 1059 01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:52,920 councilor Johnston thank you I go back to the first question I had at the 1060 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:58,719 beginning of this which is uh what does the peer use permit allow for and well I 1061 01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:04,080 guess it's not your main I'm still curious about the moing permit and can 1062 01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:11,960 you have one without the other or do you need both yes you can have a moing 1063 01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:18,639 without a peer permit um mostly they go together because the fishermen need to 1064 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:24,320 be able to offload various items uh lobster traps uh fishing gear uh stuff 1065 01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:30,400 to keep their boats running and the way they do that is by using the 1066 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:35,719 pier so um if you have a boat on a moing uh you need a way to get to the 1067 01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:39,639 the boat because you you just can't walk out onto your boat there's it's not a uh 1068 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:45,920 it's not a marina it it's a fixed structure and 1069 01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:50,600 there's rapidly Flowing Tide and you have to be able to get out to 1070 01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:55,600 your your boat and then bring it back to the pier in order to service it and to 1071 01:36:53,239 --> 01:37:00,840 keep your boat tied up at the pier for whatever amount of time it takes you to 1072 01:36:57,159 --> 01:37:04,760 offload your catch or load your traps you need to have a peer permit to occupy 1073 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:11,159 that space on the pier for that amount of time and that's what it's for so 1074 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:15,960 would I need a peer use permit to just put in my canoe or boat at the public 1075 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:18,840 boat launch when you get a peer use permit you 1076 01:37:17,719 --> 01:37:23,920 get [Music] 1077 01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:31,360 um you get the ability to use the Pier for a short period of 1078 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:35,920 time uh at the pier the upper real Pier area but not the parking lot I guess yes 1079 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:42,000 okay now as far as the parking lot's concerned if you get a peer use permit 1080 01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:48,440 you get two parking permits with that that let you park your 1081 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:53,960 car on the pier without having to pay two for each peer permit that you 1082 01:37:51,360 --> 01:38:01,920 get Okay so if if Mr chassis had seven permits would 1083 01:37:58,440 --> 01:38:07,719 he have had 14 parking spaces I don't I don't know specifically 1084 01:38:04,599 --> 01:38:12,159 how many parking permits he was given but I know that there would be some I I 1085 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:16,760 don't know exactly how many that originally started out as two Pier 1086 01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:20,639 permits and then it grew over time and I don't know whether they increase the 1087 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:25,679 number of permits for him or not I don't have the knowledge of that and in the 1088 01:38:23,599 --> 01:38:32,000 pass again it's just based off what I've I've seen through the years kind of 1089 01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:38,119 operated his business from the pier area is that a fair statement he told us in 1090 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:43,639 the beginning he worked out of his car uh he has a large car like an Explorer 1091 01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:51,599 or something and he was able to use that as a mobile office to but if I wanted to 1092 01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:56,639 I think he did Jet Skis similar things if I wanted to rent the jet skis 1093 01:38:54,040 --> 01:39:01,239 I would go to the area you know the Bait Shack and and rent from there because 1094 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:05,599 from my perspective it always looked like he was kind of operating a business 1095 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:09,880 off the side of the pier um but he had those permits that kind of allowed him 1096 01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,040 yeah which he probably used for his personal 1097 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:19,360 vehicle but that has nothing to do with the the public boat launch no okay um 1098 01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:25,800 and then the other question I had was so the the revocation is that permanently 1099 01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:31,159 or is that just for this season that is this revocation that we approved is 1100 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:35,040 permanent permanent okay 1101 01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:44,440 yeah yes councelor huitt first question is there a 1102 01:39:41,599 --> 01:39:49,599 precedent of re revoking permits for this breaking of this ordinance 1103 01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:53,639 previously that is one of the big reasons why every couple of years you 1104 01:39:51,840 --> 01:40:00,239 get this ordinance here to make revisions to because we find some other 1105 01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:06,520 reason that some ingenious person has come up with to skate around the 1106 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:10,679 regulations um so you're saying there's no previous precedent of this 1107 01:40:08,679 --> 01:40:18,360 occurring well since I've been the chairman we've come to the council uh 1108 01:40:13,639 --> 01:40:24,040 twice before and both times uh the revocation was reversed by the council 1109 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:27,920 okay my next question is there a clear record of the steps if 1110 01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:33,800 someone does break the ordinance what the consequences will be or what they 1111 01:40:30,679 --> 01:40:39,840 need to do to fix it in chapter 118 the consequence is revocation of the 1112 01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:44,920 peer permit okay yeah thank you it's clearly in that regulation Council bman 1113 01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:48,880 yeah thank you I want I want to clarify some of the questions about the the peer 1114 01:40:46,599 --> 01:40:51,639 use permits yes right and separate that from from I think questions about the 1115 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:56,280 boat launch and also what the peer use permits are for so the seven peer use 1116 01:40:54,360 --> 01:41:00,920 permits in this case were likely used for the for the jet skis that were 1117 01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:04,800 attached to the pier right that's correct and and so a passenger would 1118 01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:08,679 rent the jet ski they would then use the pier to board the jet ski and that's 1119 01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:12,000 what the peer use permits allowed and with a revocation of the peer use 1120 01:41:10,119 --> 01:41:16,000 permits those jet skis could no longer be attached to the pier and thus 1121 01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:19,679 probably not be at Camp Ellis is that your understanding well actually I think 1122 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:26,719 more of the way it works is the person is wearing a bathing suit and this uh 1123 01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:30,639 little uh float was next to the pier and the jet skis were tied up there so 1124 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:34,679 you're wearing a bathing suit you're not wearing any shoes so they just walked on 1125 01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:38,719 the beach and got onto the jet ski and took off but but the jet so they didn't 1126 01:41:36,599 --> 01:41:42,239 go down the pier and out out the gang but the but the jetskis could no longer 1127 01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:46,719 be there without peer use permits is that that's correct yeah that's correct 1128 01:41:44,599 --> 01:41:51,599 that's the consequence of the revocation that's correct uh one could still access 1129 01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:55,239 a moing through the public boat launch if they wanted to launch a dinghy or 1130 01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:58,760 something some other absolutely uh but but they could no longer be attached to 1131 01:41:56,599 --> 01:42:02,159 the peer no and that's the separation between the moing permits and and the 1132 01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:08,800 peer use permit is that correct that's correct yeah thank 1133 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:16,320 you councelor gum then councelor Johnston uh chairman Katz I'm uh reading 1134 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:22,119 over your um letter here to Mr chassis yes and obviously we have the two 1135 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:28,560 violations and the print information of what the immediate cause of this entire 1136 01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:31,920 situation was um I'm reading the line and I'm going to quote you here he's 1137 01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:34,920 violated the storage clause on a number of occasions including storing his 1138 01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:43,080 friend's boat in the parking lot for an entire winter that seems to 1139 01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:49,159 inform as a as a um similar a similar um subject on the second violation inform 1140 01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:53,239 the commission's decision um at the same time it's not really pertinent to the 1141 01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:58,960 actual cause itself uh cause of the actual reification itself because that 1142 01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:03,280 so my question is and this is may be kind of a loaded question but bear with 1143 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:08,800 me because it's a logical one especially given uh Mr chassis's testimony a few 1144 01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:14,440 minutes ago um if this uh gentleman was inv violation so blatantly by leaving a 1145 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:19,480 his a friend's boat in the parking lot for an entire winter uh why was not any 1146 01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:25,000 action taken in previous years um up until this point and at this 1147 01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:28,960 point even in this section it this you know doesn't speak to any of those it 1148 01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:33,119 just informs his sort of behavior if you could put a little color on that please 1149 01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:36,719 well of course again as I said the Harbor Master would be better at that 1150 01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:44,639 but I'll take a shot at it that boat just appeared there it hadn't been there 1151 01:43:39,599 --> 01:43:48,920 every year we came down to to the pier and there's this huge boat sitting on 1152 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:53,360 the side of the parking lot and we talked to the chief of police 1153 01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:58,280 what can you do with it well we don't tow boats well how you going to get this 1154 01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:03,080 boat out of the parking lot who whose boat is it nobody came to the Harbor 1155 01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:07,520 Master and said can I have permission to leave my boat there or I'm only going to 1156 01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:14,360 leave it there for a week I promise there was no communication the 1157 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:20,040 Harbor Master has been has been giving and giving and giving trying to keep Mr 1158 01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:23,920 chassis in business down there and all that happens is he's been taken 1159 01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:27,960 advantage of time and time and time again there's no there's no real 1160 01:44:26,440 --> 01:44:33,560 communication there's no real reinforcement or recognition that the 1161 01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:37,920 Harbor Master has the authority for this this is his job and the people who were 1162 01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:43,840 down there the fishermen uh the recreational boter 1163 01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:48,760 expect that they will get the same treatment that Mr chassis got they can 1164 01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:54,199 leave stuff laying around they can put a boat there if they decide they want to 1165 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:58,080 do it and that's not that's not how this thing 1166 01:44:55,199 --> 01:45:04,599 works and uh that's the real issue there and so that what we're saying here is 1167 01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:12,400 that yes the two major items that he was um uh dealing with in his appeal and the 1168 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:17,239 the basis on his revocation but there's all this other stuff that the Harbor 1169 01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:21,719 Master is documenting in the document that he gave you uh 1170 01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:26,599 hm1 uh which by the way he had reproduced at his own personal 1171 01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:31,520 expense uh and handed out copies of these things uh because he takes this 1172 01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:36,599 very seriously and he's documented it very carefully and that's what we based 1173 01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:42,239 our decision on that this was just going to go on and on and on forever if we 1174 01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:47,280 give Mr chassis a second chance we give him a second chance okay what's going to 1175 01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:50,119 happen next week what's going to happen next year when a boat turns up in your 1176 01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:54,639 parking lot so that's where we left it the way 1177 01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:56,960 we did as a 1178 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:05,679 commission Council arer yes thank you Madame mayor I'm looking at a letter 1179 01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:10,320 written by the Harbor Master um there's no evidence or anything on here uh 1180 01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:17,400 written on May 14th I want to bring you down to what the one two three 1181 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:22,400 four call it the third paragraph on the second page where uh it states and I'm 1182 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:25,599 reading as as written I had a discussion with Town ad ad ministrator on April 9th 1183 01:46:24,199 --> 01:46:29,280 the conclusion of the discussion would give Mr chassis an additional 5 days at 1184 01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:33,360 which point all remaining items would be removed however necessary or towed at 1185 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:37,480 his expense the new deadline would be Sunday April 14th at noon a little less 1186 01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:42,599 than a month from the original deadline the last item left at the lot at 4:15 on 1187 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:47,480 Sunday April 14th so I will give you that he missed the original deadline yes 1188 01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:54,320 but this so we knew that all the materials had left the the grounds and 1189 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:58,880 then on May 14th we now charge him there's no Second Chance on that one 1190 01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:03,440 second chance would have been or offering if it was May 14th and the 1191 01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:08,760 materials were still there if it was April 7 on that Sunday at 12:01 then 1192 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:13,719 that's a punitive that's where you go for that route however he had remedied 1193 01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:17,480 the situation so there is no second chance because it was already done yes 1194 01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:21,560 it was delayed I will argue that it was 4 hours after the fact one could argue 1195 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,639 he was probably there that morning also working on the project as well and you 1196 01:47:23,159 --> 01:47:30,480 just didn't have enough time that day this is where I'm starting to see a 1197 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:35,040 again the the case notes the documents of of noting is 1198 01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:39,080 is most of it's done through text we make a phone call we didn't write a note 1199 01:47:36,599 --> 01:47:43,560 so it's hard to as our attorney had suggest I can only look at this but what 1200 01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:47,760 I'm seeing is someone who actually did eventually I'll give you that but by 1201 01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:52,080 default the city administrator's own words if this is to be accurate was we 1202 01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:58,159 will give the gentleman an extra 5 days he was late by 4 hours to me that is the 1203 01:47:55,560 --> 01:48:02,520 attempt of trying to do right again he may have a history I cannot include that 1204 01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:09,280 history in this comment the reason why he lost his permit was because of a 1205 01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:14,719 violation of the storage but when I look at this yes 4 hours on a Sunday at noon 1206 01:48:13,239 --> 01:48:18,480 I don't know if noon is an ordinance thing if it was just a number 1207 01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:23,199 arbitrarily decided a Time arbitrarily decided but we decided to punish after 1208 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:29,719 the fact when it already been amended that I have a problem with that's 1209 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:33,920 totally wrong I don't believe people all the attorney has specify that let me let 1210 01:48:31,639 --> 01:48:41,320 me just say this you have a pile of stuff here yes you got one thing that 1211 01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:47,400 you may get me to agree with however in chapter 118 okay there is no such thing 1212 01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:51,520 as a second chance no you can read that whole 25 page document the city 1213 01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:56,520 administrator gave permission and we have to honor that that is the city 1214 01:48:53,840 --> 01:49:02,320 itself saying you have five more additional days okay and he did it the 1215 01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:10,520 fifth fourth hour after I do recognize that I I I understand counselor so that 1216 01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:16,360 that is that has got the least amount of schmalz in it okay but is that one thing 1217 01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:22,560 was that the precipice event read read the letter that I sent to him on uh May 1218 01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:27,800 18th way after the fact yes way after the the fact but it 1219 01:49:24,599 --> 01:49:32,360 itemizes all of the headaches that this man has had to deal with in his job 1220 01:49:30,119 --> 01:49:37,560 every single day so were we punitive to his history or were we punitive to the 1221 01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:41,239 action this is about the action I get the history and to be honest I see a 1222 01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:44,679 pattern I do I'm not going to win that argument with you thank you 1223 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:53,239 though Council Johnston thank you and councel bman yeah pigy P picky backing 1224 01:49:50,320 --> 01:50:01,199 on councel Archer's point and and I think uh councelor gun also asked a 1225 01:49:57,599 --> 01:50:05,560 similar question um you know in in the packet I don't have the exact page but 1226 01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:11,880 we have an additional issues and violations that I think it's near the 1227 01:50:07,639 --> 01:50:17,760 last page that are that are noted um I guess my question 1228 01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:23,560 is were these ever officially cited as violations or were they again just hey 1229 01:50:21,239 --> 01:50:28,719 you need to fix this you've done this you've done that but no official 1230 01:50:25,719 --> 01:50:37,040 notification that uh Mr chassis was in a violation of any portion of the 1231 01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:42,239 ordinance aside from the latest uh violations no they're just so so it's 1232 01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:47,920 they're in the harbor Master's log book so to speak all right I I just they're 1233 01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:53,320 on the pile I would I would add that it's probably not Germain to this topic 1234 01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:57,520 then because they lack official 1235 01:50:55,480 --> 01:51:03,480 notification and I would just add we've got one person 1236 01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:07,679 here we don't have all of our peer users behaving like this if they did you 1237 01:51:05,719 --> 01:51:11,920 wouldn't be able to use the pier couldn't tie up a boat you couldn't 1238 01:51:10,079 --> 01:51:16,400 land a tuna fish you couldn't Harvest your lobsters because there'd be junk 1239 01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,400 all over the 1240 01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:29,880 pier Council Johnson I guess yeah I'm good Council 1241 01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:40,400 bman yeah thank you chairman Kat could you clarify two things for us one uh the 1242 01:51:36,679 --> 01:51:44,000 the April 14th deadline at noon was the one that that councilor Archer was just 1243 01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:48,040 referring to yes but it looks like there were there were earlier an earlier 1244 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:53,360 deadline of of March 17th is that correct yes there 1245 01:51:50,560 --> 01:52:00,639 was uh and in addition uh if we looked at uh section 118 About 1246 01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:05,400 Storage uh how long does that ordinance allow for storage of personal effects at 1247 01:52:03,239 --> 01:52:05,400 the 1248 01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:13,560 pier it doesn't it doesn't allow for personal 1249 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:18,440 storage at the pier maybe you have an exceptional circumstance maybe you had a 1250 01:52:16,119 --> 01:52:23,560 death in the family you're having a funeral service on Sunday and you can't 1251 01:52:20,679 --> 01:52:29,360 clear the lobster traps so you have to store them on the piers so you call the 1252 01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:33,760 Harbor Master on his phone and say you know Harbor Master chadborne we have to 1253 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:39,920 leave the lobster traps on the pier we don't just dump the stuff there and walk 1254 01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:45,440 away that's when the lack the the no storage Clause kicks 1255 01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:45,440 in thank 1256 01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:51,040 you anyone else 1257 01:52:53,159 --> 01:53:01,000 okay not seeing anyone thank you thank you do any counselors have any followup 1258 01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:03,560 or um additional questions for Mr chassis one 1259 01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:09,679 option okay not seeing 1260 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:16,840 any okay any uh deliberation or discussion between 1261 01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:27,719 yourselves okay not seeing any is there a 1262 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:32,520 motion um yeah I don't have the document uh make a motion to vacate the ruling 1263 01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:36,679 made on sorry I don't have it in front of me May 14th 2024 decision of the 1264 01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:41,840 coastal Waters commission okay there has been motion 1265 01:53:38,679 --> 01:53:46,199 made by councelor Archer to vacate the ruling by the coastal Waters commission 1266 01:53:43,639 --> 01:53:49,639 is there a second second second by councelor 1267 01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:52,639 Johnston any additional discussion or comments 1268 01:53:52,679 --> 01:53:58,119 councelor Archer then councelor gun yes thank you mayor uh the reason why I made 1269 01:53:56,079 --> 01:54:02,400 the motion to vacate is again I do believe that there is a history showing 1270 01:53:59,960 --> 01:54:09,360 and uh there's a history showing of violations however those violations were 1271 01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:12,719 not officially notified to the appet um when we look at this it was clear that 1272 01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:16,199 we can't I just wanted to look at a map I couldn't even use a map as external 1273 01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:21,079 evidence so I had to base it off all of this you notice the Mr chy could not 1274 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:23,920 identify where the city line is that's one argument that I have but the most 1275 01:54:22,599 --> 01:54:30,159 important argument is that we're only looking at violation of section 11820 1276 01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:36,440 storage um and it doesn't matter exceptions were given so even if we said 1277 01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:40,719 that yes there was a storage issue on our city administrator gave until 1278 01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:46,079 rightfully win his authority too I want that to be known um he gave a 5-day 1279 01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:51,000 notice and the uh appellant was able to get it done within a few hours after 1280 01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:54,400 that how punitive are we going to be to our local business and when we're 1281 01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:59,400 talking about 4 hours when we had already given extensions for weeks at a 1282 01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:05,360 time so for me it's less about the everything else it's about what I've 1283 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:10,079 seen in this packet um is that to me within 4 hours means he was 1284 01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:14,760 on site he had not left the property around noon I can't prove it because we 1285 01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:20,480 don't have pictures um but um I'm saying that he did the work in in by the end of 1286 01:55:17,159 --> 01:55:25,079 that day on end of that working day that itself vacates the violation 1287 01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:30,599 of the peer use violation with its permits because if we don't see item one 1288 01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:35,320 as a violation you cannot use two as a violation of a violation that did not 1289 01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:41,679 occur that is my reason for vacating is that to be honest due process 1290 01:55:39,079 --> 01:55:45,480 notification we didn't and again I'll take it's part of the city we just 1291 01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:48,599 needed to get better with our our documentation great Council gun if you 1292 01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:52,920 don't mind I'm going to let City administrator Roan go speak so you're 1293 01:55:51,239 --> 01:55:58,960 telling me that you're re you're relying your whole 1294 01:55:55,360 --> 01:56:05,480 decision on my allowing somebody five extra days to allow somebody the 1295 01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:09,800 opportunity the good graces to be able to move their equipment is that what 1296 01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:13,480 you're basing it on they vac they did it with what you asked them to do that's 1297 01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:19,560 called permission you have based on you're you're basing that vac vacating 1298 01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:26,239 the decision on just a small piece of this entire document 1299 01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:31,040 one vacating one vacates two by default that's all I have to say and 1300 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:36,360 when I make my decisions especially when I do my business it's not personal nor 1301 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:41,360 here I am saying that I was just told I cannot consider additional evidence this 1302 01:56:38,719 --> 01:56:46,040 is all I'm allowed have more evidence that I don't know exactly exactly I I 1303 01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:51,079 I'm just listening to what I've been told for this but you but you basing 1304 01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:55,920 your decision or your your abil you're you're basing the V vacating this 1305 01:56:53,520 --> 01:57:02,239 decisioning on Bas you're basing it based on my giving five days grace yes 1306 01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:06,440 you gave permission and he met the demand of the city so so you're saying 1307 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:11,320 to me because I was I was able to give this man an opportunity to get his 1308 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:15,000 property off the here without having it tolded that now you're going to vacate 1309 01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:20,599 the decision yes because I'm giving the due 1310 01:57:18,599 --> 01:57:24,320 diligence I'm giving the public the benefit of the doubt are you kidding 1311 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:28,400 then I gave him the benefit of the doubt I gave him 5 days yes he did and again I 1312 01:57:26,679 --> 01:57:33,400 said that was well within your Authority I'm not here challenging your decision 1313 01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:37,719 I'm just saying we can't hold people never mind okay this is getting into 1314 01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:41,360 argument which motion is on the floor thank you counc g to do have it's 1315 01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:46,000 inappropriate yeah I think yeah I think I will make a comment 1316 01:57:44,119 --> 01:57:50,199 um I'm trying to get back to my my thoughts you have to give me a 1317 01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:58,079 moment um the Crux of the sit situation is um 1318 01:57:54,199 --> 01:58:04,639 is pretty uh it's pretty awkward and uh in the sense 1319 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:12,520 that my my interpretation is based on what's in front of us what's on in front 1320 01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:18,520 of us is Mr chassis in my view was in violation that being said his own 1321 01:58:15,119 --> 01:58:23,679 testimony was that he did not expect any consequences because if uh for lack of 1322 01:58:21,719 --> 01:58:28,440 better ter ter a permissive attitude a sense of um there's only one person down 1323 01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:32,960 there they're not going to be hardhead on everything so therefore I didn't 1324 01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:38,079 expect anything bad to happen and I don't if it sounds AR's 1325 01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:42,840 point though I think well we've made this point generally over the years um 1326 01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:47,560 if there's a situation I mean we've seen this with code enforcement going back a 1327 01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:52,119 long time though the where you have a lack of people and you can't enforce 1328 01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:55,800 everything so it creates this atmosphere fear of things are just going to be let 1329 01:58:54,480 --> 01:59:00,679 go and everything's going to be fine though but then when the law enforcement 1330 01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:06,119 official or the the city staff in this case um is given cause to enforce the 1331 01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:12,760 rules all of a sudden we're the ones being the hard ass and it makes us look 1332 01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:18,520 bad but that but to the Chairman's point we do have the rules for a reason 1333 01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:24,159 and while the gentleman's uh previous Behavior 1334 01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:28,920 while it's included in this letter and it certainly informs the the 1335 01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:35,159 commission's decision it is not directly germine to the actual 1336 01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:41,440 um the actual two immediate violations that being said the two immediate 1337 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:45,960 violations do exist um so I'm in a bit of an odd situation here though because 1338 01:59:43,719 --> 01:59:50,760 I mean as far as I'm concerned a you know the ordinance was clearly 1339 01:59:47,719 --> 01:59:56,800 violated um with a history but at the same time if this gentleman 1340 01:59:53,719 --> 02:00:02,960 and God knows how many people down there think that the laws can be FL FL flouted 1341 01:59:59,960 --> 02:00:10,119 or let uh be eased off of because the har Master is not going to be first 1342 02:00:06,679 --> 02:00:13,960 violation you know that's it then it puts me in an odd position though 1343 02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:17,320 because I have to enforce a rule that's not being enforced due to circumstances 1344 02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:22,760 I'm not saying it's bad faith I'm just saying it's the 1345 02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:26,800 circumstances so um yeah this is why we don't see these every day though because 1346 02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:31,800 this is an odd situation and it's it's not completely cut and dry in the 1347 02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:36,280 situation I see uh issues on both sides um and I'm just going to let that sit 1348 02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:40,560 there for a second while we debate this and see if it helpfully informs the rest 1349 02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:44,560 of the debate thank you councelor Burman then councelor Johnston thank you we 1350 02:00:42,599 --> 02:00:49,400 have two different issues occurring here the peer use permits were evoked on 1351 02:00:46,119 --> 02:00:53,719 April 10th the triggering event for their revocation was that items were not 1352 02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:59,560 removed by March 17th the city was then going to tow and 1353 02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:06,560 remove the items themselves right by April 1354 02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:10,560 14th but the removal of the items is separate from the peer use 1355 02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:15,280 revocation the peer use revocation occurred on April 10th that has nothing 1356 02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:18,679 to do with the harbor Master's 5 days that's a separate issue about the 1357 02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:23,119 retrieval of personal property we learned that chapter 118 has 1358 02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:28,159 no no provision for storage as soon as there were personal 1359 02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:33,159 items stored in city property we became in violation of chapter 1360 02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:38,280 118 the Harbor Master noticed on March 14th that he had until March 17th to 1361 02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:43,920 remov that that did not occur that's what caused the peer use violation now 1362 02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:48,040 we want to support Camp Ellis I spoke about Camp Ellis I'm passionate about 1363 02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:52,840 Camp Ellis I want businesses to succeed in Camp Ellis I like this business I've 1364 02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:58,480 been a customer of this business but we have chaos if the harbor Master's 1365 02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,480 Authority isn't 1366 02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:05,360 respected we need to follow our ordinances the main defense seemed to be 1367 02:02:03,719 --> 02:02:10,960 that the ordinances weren't followed in the past and therefore they shouldn't be 1368 02:02:07,639 --> 02:02:15,320 now that's not a defense right that our new full-time 1369 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:18,960 Harbor Master is bringing professionalism right working with our 1370 02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:24,159 city administrator to tighten up regulations increase consistency and 1371 02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:27,400 increase enforcement should be applauded the position's only been 1372 02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:29,679 full-time for two years now this is the second 1373 02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:37,880 season right but I really want us to separate these issues there's a 1374 02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:42,239 retrieval of personal property there's revocation of the peer use permits this 1375 02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:45,960 occurred on April 10th you have the dated 1376 02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:52,119 letter right separate right from the communications 1377 02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:55,840 on April 9th and 14th was out of the parking lot Mr chassis 1378 02:02:53,960 --> 02:03:00,679 you had your chance to speak yep Mr chassis please you guys I understand but 1379 02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:06,800 you this is not your time for speak this is for Council deliberation thank 1380 02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:13,920 you Council Burman is that everything councel Johnston thank you 1381 02:03:09,719 --> 02:03:18,599 um yeah I mean I I certainly a would you say an awkward situation yeah it is one 1382 02:03:16,599 --> 02:03:25,760 of those again um I can appreciate the the efforts of 1383 02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:30,239 both Coastal Waters and the Harbor Master to to enforce the ordinances I 1384 02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:35,199 think it's you know something I've been advocating for a long time um and and I 1385 02:03:33,159 --> 02:03:42,440 certainly hope that will continue to this level going forward the problem I 1386 02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:47,239 have having based on this record read through this record I certainly don't 1387 02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:56,559 condone the actions of Mr chasy I think he definitely abused the system um how 1388 02:03:52,040 --> 02:04:03,559 however at the same time I am left questioning is the city itself complicit 1389 02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:10,079 in the actions of the individual when you have an admitted documented in this 1390 02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:16,480 packet a bending of the rules that have existed for 10 years you have created 1391 02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:21,239 the scenario where that's what we were left with the individual said I can do 1392 02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:28,920 whatever I want I think we've seen this or at least I've seen this previously uh 1393 02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:28,920 with with a a prior hearing 1394 02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:40,119 um the storage issue um is essentially I guess where I go 1395 02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:45,040 back to is in January the individuals told I guess you're allowed to put your 1396 02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:48,639 stuff on the property we go months with it sitting there the city not 1397 02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:55,480 necessarily the Harbor Master but the city allowed other ordinances to be 1398 02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:59,040 violated by not Towing it by not saying this is abandoned property get it out of 1399 02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:03,679 here the ordinance is clear that there's no overnight parking okay one could 1400 02:05:01,719 --> 02:05:07,320 argue is that a car I look at anything that's it's it's always been that way I 1401 02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:12,920 remember as a CH as a teenager going down there and having you know PD harass 1402 02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:18,040 me about being in the parking lot past the hours so why did we make an 1403 02:05:15,239 --> 02:05:23,800 exception at the city level for any property to be there if if the 1404 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:28,719 ordinances uh you know are are in exist you have Mr Chasey that that seems to 1405 02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:37,040 have um again run into a pun intended 1406 02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:42,360 uncharted waters where previously was residing at this resident operating a 1407 02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:48,159 business property sells he's basically out the door and again abusing the the 1408 02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:53,199 the kind nature of of the Harbor Master said hey can I put my my stuff here well 1409 02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:58,079 in a way and and I can speak from experience having managed properties um 1410 02:05:55,800 --> 02:06:04,159 you you can't really be lenient because people will take advantage of you so by 1411 02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:09,679 allowing that we actually furthered his hardship because in his mind he likely 1412 02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:13,400 said to himself well there's relief I got a place to put this instead of 1413 02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:16,880 acting on it immediately instead it's like well it's 1414 02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:22,000 there the state doesn't care it's always been this way from the record as I think 1415 02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:29,719 we all can well I'll speak for myself I can't tell you where this equipment was 1416 02:06:25,719 --> 02:06:33,320 was it the city's property was it a deed right away I can't the record doesn't 1417 02:06:31,239 --> 02:06:39,639 show me that it shows me images that are not clear to me um I I think it's maybe 1418 02:06:37,639 --> 02:06:47,400 it's clear to other people but I didn't see it as matter of factly um City's 1419 02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:53,159 property or what not um you know I think that when we sit here as we did this 1420 02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:57,800 evening and we talk about wanting a trolley service or economic development 1421 02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:02,840 of Camp Ellis I've sat here for a long time well I've been here my whole life 1422 02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:06,639 so and I've heard it most my life about you know the Vitality of of Camp Ellis 1423 02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:12,119 and all the reasons we should continue to invest millions of dollars into Camp 1424 02:07:09,559 --> 02:07:17,159 pellis um and of course one of that is it's a small community it's a great 1425 02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:22,280 asset the recreation uh component of it property values to name a few um what I 1426 02:07:21,079 --> 02:07:28,199 see certainly in of recent is there's less 1427 02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:32,880 and less of what used to attract people and and my personal opinion it's it's 1428 02:07:30,679 --> 02:07:39,000 more become a playground of the rich out of Staters and not what that community 1429 02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:42,480 that I was told was all about Community we heard it in the testimony that well 1430 02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:45,960 it's always been a tight-knit community and we kind of always did I'm not 1431 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:49,920 condoning it I mean not to the opposite I'll tell you from a personal experience 1432 02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:54,040 my first year on Council um 1433 02:07:52,239 --> 02:08:00,360 maybe the first few weeks I dealt with an individual that was a constituent of 1434 02:07:56,679 --> 02:08:07,639 of my award that had issues down there and and described Coastal Waters or or 1435 02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:14,719 Camp Al I'll say not the commission as the wild west that's that's and I again 1436 02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:19,960 I don't have any personal experience I you know outside of going to campal I've 1437 02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:24,360 never been a peer user I've never well I think maybe I've taken the charted boat 1438 02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:30,480 out there but that's it um but it it was very uh argumentive I'll say and and and 1439 02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:37,119 fortunately you know it seems like we're working towards cleaning that up um and 1440 02:08:34,599 --> 02:08:42,400 we've obviously made um you know some some advancements with the ordinance but 1441 02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:47,480 at the end of the day here it seems that this individual was just kind of let 1442 02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:53,119 along to continue to violate and then all of a sudden we we go zero to 100 1443 02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:59,079 real quick and it's like you're gone I I I mean that you're you're taking the 1444 02:08:56,840 --> 02:09:03,159 livelihood from the individual and in the end are we benefiting campellis or 1445 02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:07,960 should we be attracting businesses instead of rejecting them I I mean 1446 02:09:06,199 --> 02:09:11,679 that's I don't even know if that's really in my purview at this point but 1447 02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:17,520 that's kind of you know my thought here is is how do we say in one turn oh let's 1448 02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:22,400 promote campellis let's spend all these millions of dollars and then at the same 1449 02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:32,159 time reject a long standing individual that's oper operated out of there uh for 1450 02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:39,800 many years um and again I don't see a pattern that I guess for me 1451 02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:46,639 establishes you know an excessive or Progressive steps it's just you're gone 1452 02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:52,239 after allowing the property to go there in the first place did he violate it yes 1453 02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:56,960 did he meet several Gates but I would argue that once it was 1454 02:09:54,840 --> 02:10:04,320 on our property just like any other tency laws you're 1455 02:09:59,639 --> 02:10:10,000 now part of that you you need to at that point remove it go through that legal 1456 02:10:07,679 --> 02:10:15,079 process why didn't we take those legal other legal recourses we we had those 1457 02:10:12,639 --> 02:10:22,000 opportunities instead we just after months go to revocation of a permit 1458 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:25,760 which is forever is what I understand correctly there's no opportunity for 1459 02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:30,280 this individual to to make amends and say hey I screwed up I'll be a better 1460 02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:36,679 person it's you're out of here and I guess I have an issue with that 1461 02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:40,880 thank you thank you anyone else any final 1462 02:10:37,639 --> 02:10:48,199 comments councelor hatch thank you mayor mcville I just want to weigh in and um 1463 02:10:43,159 --> 02:10:55,480 and explain my vote when it's cast um I'm I'm going to um 1464 02:10:52,159 --> 02:11:01,119 defer to council burman's logic and I think his logic is very 1465 02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:04,040 sound um that uh there were deadlines that were given there were deadlines 1466 02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:10,280 that weren't met um I don't see the city 1467 02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:18,040 administrators willingness to uh extend that a little bit further 1468 02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:26,159 as as a reason to uh to vacate so uh to me the uh the evidence 1469 02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:33,719 is logical and supportive of the uh decision that the coastal Waters 1470 02:11:29,559 --> 02:11:42,239 commission um made so I am going to be voting uh no uh against this motion to 1471 02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:47,599 vacate thank you anyone else councilor Burman I agree with 1472 02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:53,320 almost everything everyone has said I just also want to add one final issue uh 1473 02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:57,800 we have a a City staff member and a commission uh that have great expertise 1474 02:11:55,480 --> 02:12:03,079 in this area and have worked really hard and so I think another factor is uh I 1475 02:12:01,559 --> 02:12:09,239 think it sends a message whether or not we support the work that they've done or 1476 02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:14,880 not great thank you okay so the motion on the floor right now is to vacate the 1477 02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:21,520 decision of the coastal Waters roll call vote councelor Archer I councelor Parks 1478 02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:27,800 yes councelor gun no councelor Burman no councelor hatch 1479 02:12:25,239 --> 02:12:34,920 no councelor hwit yes and councelor Johnston 1480 02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:34,920 yes motion passes 1481 02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:45,400 43 okay that now takes us to item 10 and there is no new business this evening 1482 02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:47,719 item 11 an administrative update from City 1483 02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:57,119 administrator thank you your honor uh the first item that I want to just bring 1484 02:12:53,920 --> 02:13:03,159 your attention to is the update for the compliance of assistant planner uh she's 1485 02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:08,079 uh been hard at work in these past few weeks uh she's reviewed all the contract 1486 02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:12,199 Zone agreements and created first draft of comprehensive database met and 1487 02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:17,040 coordinated with various City staff and departments across the organization 1488 02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:22,280 assigned monitoring files for review and organization uh created permit uh fact 1489 02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:26,880 sheets for ongoing subdivision project currently under construction started 1490 02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:32,239 monitoring conditions of approval across multiple projects under construction 1491 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:36,079 more than 200 plus conditions researched monitored and started tracking uh 1492 02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:40,520 started to work on a foundational database for enhanced tracking and 1493 02:13:38,040 --> 02:13:46,040 monitoring of the critical follow-up items for compliance reported on a few 1494 02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:51,960 follow-up concerns and coordinated with different departments on ongoing items 1495 02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:56,360 and she really has uh laid out a template that we're going to be able 1496 02:13:53,400 --> 02:14:02,880 to follow to start more of enforcement on compliance and uh certainly uh we 1497 02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:09,920 look forward to uh to uh moving forward as the council has asked us to on those 1498 02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:14,559 compliance items um so uh the next one I'd like to just bring your attention to 1499 02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:18,400 is a new video from Smart growth America I don't know if you've watched it or 1500 02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:24,639 others but it's on our website you do have it here you can click on to it on 1501 02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:30,520 the uh on my uh comments uh if you haven't seen it I think it came out very 1502 02:14:27,079 --> 02:14:37,840 very good uh excellent and professional um the other thing is um we have an RFP 1503 02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:42,559 going out on historic walking tour signs uh city of Sako is requesting proposals 1504 02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:47,800 from interested vendors for historic walking tour signs uh response to this 1505 02:14:45,719 --> 02:14:54,079 request for proposal should include the cost of design manufacturer and delivery 1506 02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:57,960 of 22 signs uh if uh your team is qualified and experienced in providing 1507 02:14:56,119 --> 02:15:02,199 the described Services city of Saka would appreciate receiving your 1508 02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:07,800 submission as indicated in the RFP the deadline for responding to the RFP has 1509 02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:13,639 been extended to 11: a.m. eastern standard time on July 12th 1510 02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:20,760 2024 and you can visit our website to get more information uh upcoming um 1511 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:26,000 items for the Monday July 22nd we're going to be going forward on bringing 1512 02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:32,159 for uh the uh discussion relative to a beach management plan also a contract 1513 02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:36,719 Workshop uh zoning Workshop which uh our new compliance manager will excuse me 1514 02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:42,520 our compliance assistant planner will be at and go into more detail on the things 1515 02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:47,880 that she has found and then we will also have a tiff 101 workshop for the 1516 02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:52,440 councilors the new counselors so that they can better understand why uh the uh 1517 02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:58,679 the purposes of our 10 Tiff districts that we have so uh those are some of the 1518 02:15:55,719 --> 02:16:03,360 items that I have uh and be more than happy to answer any questions uh city 1519 02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:06,520 council may have thank you very much any questions or comments for the city 1520 02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:14,199 administrator okay not seeing any uh that moves us now to item 12 and that is 1521 02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:21,199 Council discussion and comment any discussion or 1522 02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:25,040 comments councelor gun then Johnston thank you Madame mayor just two points I 1523 02:16:22,639 --> 02:16:28,000 wanted to make first um um this is actually be related to the city 1524 02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:31,400 administrator's report though I do want to thank uh the members of the historic 1525 02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:35,920 preservation commission for the last year and a half they have been 1526 02:16:33,559 --> 02:16:40,920 researching uh points of historic interest to be included on the city's 1527 02:16:38,439 --> 02:16:44,800 walking tour and it's not just the uh the ones we may have learned about uh 1528 02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:48,559 back in grade school with Dorcas Nutter and folks like that though this is kind 1529 02:16:46,399 --> 02:16:52,800 of a deep dive into a lot of the history that's been kind of missing from the 1530 02:16:51,319 --> 02:16:56,960 general narrative I know the city historian pet Peter scess has also 1531 02:16:55,240 --> 02:17:02,760 contributed to this as well as well as the folks down at the library so to see 1532 02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:07,280 this getting towards um the sort of like the Finish Line um is tremendous and I 1533 02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:12,639 definitely want to make a point of thanking assistant uh planner Shannon 1534 02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:20,280 Chisum though who uh went out um got the grants really got uh HPC and everybody 1535 02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:23,679 uh focused on this kind of drove the bus and this is her baby as it is everybody 1536 02:17:22,399 --> 02:17:26,760 else's though I want to give credit where credit is due though she's 1537 02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:33,840 Testament to the city and I enjoy working with her as HPC liaison um on 1538 02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:39,120 another topic um odd that it is here we are a couple days um removed from uh 1539 02:17:36,679 --> 02:17:45,439 thank you from the 4th of July and it seems that uh many folks in 1540 02:17:43,559 --> 02:17:48,439 the city of Saka seem to have forgotten that we have an ordinance that does not 1541 02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:53,280 allow for the use of fireworks in the city of Sako and we had some exceptions 1542 02:17:51,960 --> 02:17:56,719 a couple years ago and I believe the count and the council revoke those 1543 02:17:54,880 --> 02:18:01,359 exceptions for New Year and Fourth of July um for various reasons and I 1544 02:17:59,880 --> 02:18:06,960 haven't gone back and checked the debate though but at the end of the day um if 1545 02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:13,719 you own a dog uh Fourth of July is not a very pleasant day for our pups 1546 02:18:10,280 --> 02:18:18,040 and it is again it's you are not naring on your neighbors if they are deciding 1547 02:18:15,559 --> 02:18:22,120 to set off fireworks all throughout the night um I don't own a dog so I don't 1548 02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:25,760 particularly mind that my neighborhood sounds like the Battle of Gettysburg for 1549 02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:30,559 three days but if you have a dog they're going through hell right now and I would 1550 02:18:28,359 --> 02:18:36,800 simply say to any Resident in the city that if any of your neighbors are just 1551 02:18:33,399 --> 02:18:40,599 you know whistling and not giving a damn that there is an ordinance you are well 1552 02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:46,800 within your right and you certainly pay your taxes to call the police and have 1553 02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:51,800 someone come over because um as we recently saw this evening you know laws 1554 02:18:48,439 --> 02:18:55,519 and ordinances exist for a reason and I think we all can agree that uh you know 1555 02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:59,679 taking care of our dogs and taking care of anybody who's you know disturbed by 1556 02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:03,359 fireworks randomly going off on Tuesday night in the middle of the night it's a 1557 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:08,760 good use of the police's time so I would encourage anyone in the city that if you 1558 02:19:05,719 --> 02:19:13,399 have an issue with that uh don't keep it to yourself don't kudin about it though 1559 02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:16,559 actually you know call somebody who's paid to take care of this though be 1560 02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:21,160 until in and out if the city wants to have a discussion about PR use of 1561 02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:25,080 fireworks under certain circumstances we can have that discussion but until that 1562 02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:28,399 time comes law is the law and I encourage all residents to take 1563 02:19:26,439 --> 02:19:33,399 advantage of that thank you councelor 1564 02:19:30,359 --> 02:19:40,960 Johnson well I would I would second that uh from councelor gun for starters 1565 02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:46,599 uh obviously you know as as Fourth of July January rolls around people just I 1566 02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:51,920 guess think it's acceptable but I've always had a a challenge with that 1567 02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:56,479 activity taking place particularly in the downtown because you've got units or 1568 02:19:54,000 --> 02:20:01,600 or buildings that are so close to each other and I've literally watched people 1569 02:19:59,240 --> 02:20:07,840 do fireworks in parking lots right over houses my my own included um so I would 1570 02:20:04,920 --> 02:20:11,399 just uh you know again second that that there is an ordinance and they're not 1571 02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:17,319 allowed um regardless of whether you're from 1572 02:20:14,359 --> 02:20:22,720 here or not um sorry I've been asked to sign this and I'm not capable of doing 1573 02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:29,399 two things at once uh back to my my point here um month ago 1574 02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:32,880 and I and I was like making people uncomfortable so I'll bring up a topic 1575 02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:38,479 that's generally makes people uncomfortable um you know a month ago 1576 02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:45,600 over a month ago I guess it was now uh I had discussed the what would be taking 1577 02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:53,200 place in our sister city when it came to the end of encampments uh today's July 1578 02:20:48,160 --> 02:21:01,000 8th today is their deadline uh I have certainly seen myself this morning the 1579 02:20:56,680 --> 02:21:07,720 ramifications of the action um that has occurred as far as disbanding those 1580 02:21:04,040 --> 02:21:13,120 encampments uh obviously since the last time we met the Supreme Court has also 1581 02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:19,560 ruled on that case that has decided in favor of municipalities and in states 1582 02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:25,399 that um there is their right to to disallow Campa 1583 02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:31,399 in public space um just as a reminder I would say that and this is based on 1584 02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:36,560 benford's memo that 30% of their unhoused population is very likely 1585 02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:42,359 headed across the river to the city of Sako um now did they name city of Sako 1586 02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:50,040 no but we all know where they were alluding to um so I guess you know I've 1587 02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:53,840 raised concerns previously the council um those 1588 02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:58,840 concerns stand I will tell you I have seen an increase and any of you are more 1589 02:21:57,280 --> 02:22:02,560 than welcome to go ask the police department but I certainly have seen an 1590 02:22:00,439 --> 02:22:09,840 increase of crime in the downtown to include a beating and carjacking on 1591 02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:13,399 Saturday night uh right by my house um and I'm not saying that everybody that's 1592 02:22:11,399 --> 02:22:19,640 unhoused is a criminal so let's not constr my words I'm just saying that as 1593 02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:25,560 that memo indicates 30% that are coming from bord are the 30% that are not 1594 02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:31,920 willing to take housing that are not willing to be drug-free 1595 02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:37,319 and have criminal history so again to council i' I've said my piece on it I 1596 02:22:34,920 --> 02:22:42,720 would say to council what are we going to do because we do have an obligation 1597 02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:45,920 to protect our residents to ensure not just the residents but again as as bord 1598 02:22:45,160 --> 02:22:50,960 has indicated we do have some level of 1599 02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:57,439 obligation to ensure that the young housed have housing right like and and I 1600 02:22:54,160 --> 02:23:03,439 think that's bords uh efforts that they they've moved forward with to get people 1601 02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:10,200 in into housing obviously that is a huge issue one 1602 02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:15,120 which not one of us will solve um but I so I I guess what I'm saying to you all 1603 02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:18,880 is that you know I'm prepared the next meeting to come with an emergency 1604 02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:23,439 ordinance to at least adopt the same ordinance or similar ordinance that bit 1605 02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:30,880 has when it comes to our Parks or public lands I mean we've spent hundreds of 1606 02:23:25,800 --> 02:23:37,120 thousands if not more uh recently on the revitalization of our Parks Sak Main 1607 02:23:33,960 --> 02:23:45,600 Street just recently got a uh a grant from T-Mobile to revitalize the 1608 02:23:39,960 --> 02:23:51,520 Riverfront Park um as we all know the at least three of our downtown parks are 1609 02:23:48,680 --> 02:23:57,000 adjacent to our schools um I I I know and again I can speak from 1610 02:23:55,279 --> 02:24:04,240 personal experience in the past with a prior principal at Fairfield where they 1611 02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:07,560 had situations where people were in again a public park it's a public space 1612 02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:13,000 it's well known but it creates challenges for for for staff uh for 1613 02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:19,000 teachers for children for for all of it so I guess again I'm just encouraging 1614 02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:25,840 and like I said I will bring forth an emergency or ordinance but I think long 1615 02:24:22,279 --> 02:24:30,520 term we need to be thinking about again following suit with city of bford and 1616 02:24:29,080 --> 02:24:34,760 obviously as I've said before it is a regional approach but I'm sitting here a 1617 02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:38,439 month later I've said these comments publicly I say it to everybody out there 1618 02:24:36,760 --> 02:24:44,000 and I've yet to hear from any of my counterparts in the city of bford that 1619 02:24:41,080 --> 02:24:48,560 want to take this Challenge on I'm here my numbers on the the internet I'm I'm 1620 02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:53,359 more than willing to have those conversations I'm not afraid of it 1621 02:24:51,240 --> 02:24:57,319 um so instead of pointing fingers because I still see the finger pointing 1622 02:24:55,640 --> 02:25:01,240 that is existing it's on the internet you can see it um oh bitter is doing 1623 02:24:59,560 --> 02:25:06,200 more than Sako whatever reality is it's all of our 1624 02:25:03,720 --> 02:25:11,319 problem and we all need to do something about it um and so I'm just advocating 1625 02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:14,880 for that thank you so yep City administrator has a reply fact to that 1626 02:25:12,840 --> 02:25:21,840 sure um I think all of your points are very valid um the mayor and I took the 1627 02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:27,520 opportunity about a week ago ago maybe 10 days ago to meet with the mayor of 1628 02:25:24,200 --> 02:25:31,920 bford and the city manager and we talked about these issues and it is an issue 1629 02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:37,080 that both communities are going to have to deal with uh this was before The 1630 02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:41,920 Supreme Court decision came out but even with the Supreme Court decision I think 1631 02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:48,359 we we have an obligation to try to work closely with our uh City next door to uh 1632 02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:54,279 try to deal with this issue in in both a humane way and a consistent way so uh I 1633 02:25:52,319 --> 02:25:58,319 I welcome if there's other ordinances that the city council wants to bring 1634 02:25:56,080 --> 02:26:03,600 forward that's fine but I think it's important to recognize that bord put 1635 02:26:01,279 --> 02:26:08,439 together a program if you read the memorandum of the city manager where I 1636 02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:14,279 believe uh about $800,000 came from Community Development 1637 02:26:10,600 --> 02:26:22,240 block grant money to help uh fund the uh the uh the shelter which is great um so 1638 02:26:19,240 --> 02:26:28,279 I just have to remind people that uh there isn't that kind of funding here in 1639 02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:32,920 in in Sako at this point but we certainly can work to try to have those 1640 02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:39,040 options available to anybody that is unhoused in in in in in Sako but I will 1641 02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:44,200 be reviewing tomorrow I have reviewed with the police chief I mean we've sent 1642 02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:49,840 our social worker over to bitterford on a couple occasions to do their uh uh 1643 02:26:47,359 --> 02:26:56,000 their homeless huddle uh we are that's how we try trying to get uh some kind of 1644 02:26:53,080 --> 02:27:00,399 uh integration in there so that we're not just as you said pointing fingers I 1645 02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:06,399 think what we're trying to do and and the mayor is encouraging of that is that 1646 02:27:02,960 --> 02:27:14,520 uh we we at the request of the mayor of uh bfer did send uh Rachel over there um 1647 02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:19,080 and uh she also was over there today uh when they were starting to visit the 1648 02:27:16,279 --> 02:27:22,640 camps and starting to move people out so we haven't not 1649 02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:30,000 done anything we have been trying to slowly uh address the issue and try to 1650 02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:36,359 uh check out how we might um enforce some of the uh the laws we already have 1651 02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:40,600 on the books uh I've talked to uh the recreation director Parks and Recreation 1652 02:27:38,279 --> 02:27:44,279 director the city uh excuse me the the chief of police uh we are going to be 1653 02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:48,760 watching our parks there is ordinance already that you can't camp in the Parks 1654 02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:55,040 at night you can't be in the Parks at night uh you 1655 02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:58,720 yeah doesn't prevent it okay I didn't I'm sorry I didn't somebody say 1656 02:27:56,680 --> 02:28:03,800 something he was no I was I was confirming I know they all they all 1657 02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:09,080 close close at dust but it's rather difficult to enforce um I I see a 1658 02:28:06,520 --> 02:28:16,000 weakness and that's why bford moved forward with what they did when it came 1659 02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:19,120 to disallowing any encampments um and again it's just going to have the 1660 02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:27,279 residual effect they're just moving across the river they're going to take 1661 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:31,319 up residency here in in our parks and um we're going to have a problem that bord 1662 02:28:29,560 --> 02:28:36,399 had which is they allowed it to occur for a better part of two years and then 1663 02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:39,800 decided that they had to act on it and I would like to be proactive and not 1664 02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:44,800 reactionary is all I'm saying no absolutely I agree with you 100% maybe 1665 02:28:42,359 --> 02:28:49,720 uh we can work together you can we can you can contact me tomorrow or whatever 1666 02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:53,560 I can contact you and we can look at their ordinance and uh maybe place that 1667 02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:58,160 on the the next agenda yep and I think waiting now that 1668 02:28:56,399 --> 02:29:03,040 we have the official Supreme Court ruling is a big piece of that knowing 1669 02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:07,840 municipalities now have an idea of which direction they can go what they can and 1670 02:29:04,920 --> 02:29:13,319 can't do specifically so I think but um yes it has been a topic of 1671 02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:19,600 discussion and will continue to be okay anyone 1672 02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:25,880 else okay now that takes us to Executive session is there oh I'm sorry excuse me 1673 02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:32,640 I'm over here excuse me um yeah all due respect Dan Dan yeah please sit down I'm 1674 02:29:29,439 --> 02:29:38,960 I'm done please sit down please sit down actually um I I respect what you people 1675 02:29:35,319 --> 02:29:45,880 do I respect you the mayor uh you have my resignation I've been doing this for 1676 02:29:41,319 --> 02:29:50,600 19 years and this this was strike three each time I come in front of this 1677 02:29:47,439 --> 02:29:56,120 Council we get picked apart I kept this thing short and sweet because it cost 1678 02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:59,880 250 bucks to make that printing you just left you just left the biggest piece of 1679 02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:05,160 gabage back in Camp Bells we've had in a long time so you have my resignation 1680 02:30:03,319 --> 02:30:12,120 I'll return everything that belongs to the town in my time and uh good luck and 1681 02:30:09,439 --> 02:30:12,120 I feel pretty 1682 02:30:15,000 --> 02:30:20,800 good okay is there a motion to exent our executive session 1683 02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:28,439 Council hatch thank you mayor mccf be it ordered that the city council enter into 1684 02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:35,840 executive session pursuant to Mr essay title one chapter 13 sub chapter 1 1685 02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:43,600 section 4056 D collective bargaining agreements Municipal D contract 1686 02:30:39,479 --> 02:30:50,359 negotiations school and C acquisition of property School motion has been made by 1687 02:30:46,399 --> 02:30:56,439 councelor hatch is there a second second second by councel 1688 02:30:53,040 --> 02:31:02,479 Burman roll call vote councelor Archer I councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes 1689 02:30:59,319 --> 02:31:08,439 councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes uh councelor 1690 02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:15,279 Whit and councelor Johnston yes motion to enter executive session passes 70 at 1691 02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:18,240 854 uh executive session will be downstairs in the conference 1692 02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:21,920 room 1693 02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:51,840 e 1694 02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:21,840 e 1695 02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:51,840 e 1696 02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:21,760 e 1697 02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:51,720 e 1698 02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:21,720 e 1699 02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:51,640 e 1700 02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:21,640 e 1701 02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:51,640 e 1702 02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:21,560 e 1703 02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:51,520 e 1704 02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:21,520 e 1705 02:37:48,439 --> 02:37:51,439 e 1706 02:38:18,439 --> 02:38:21,439 e 1707 02:38:48,439 --> 02:38:51,439 e 1708 02:39:18,359 --> 02:39:21,359 e 1709 02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:51,319 e 1710 02:40:18,319 --> 02:40:21,319 e 1711 02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:51,240 e 1712 02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:21,240 e 1713 02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:51,240 e 1714 02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:21,160 e 1715 02:42:48,120 --> 02:42:51,120 e 1716 02:43:18,120 --> 02:43:21,120 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1798 03:24:15,359 --> 03:24:18,359 e 1799 03:24:45,319 --> 03:24:48,319 e 1800 03:25:15,319 --> 03:25:18,319 e 1801 03:25:45,239 --> 03:25:48,239 e 1802 03:26:15,239 --> 03:26:18,239 e 1803 03:26:45,239 --> 03:26:48,239 e 1804 03:27:15,160 --> 03:27:18,160 e 1805 03:27:45,120 --> 03:27:48,120 e 1806 03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:18,120 e 1807 03:28:45,040 --> 03:28:48,040 e 1808 03:29:15,040 --> 03:29:18,040 e 1809 03:29:45,040 --> 03:29:48,040 e 1810 03:30:14,960 --> 03:30:17,960 e 1811 03:30:44,920 --> 03:30:47,920 e 1812 03:31:14,920 --> 03:31:17,920 e 1813 03:31:44,840 --> 03:31:47,840 e 1814 03:32:14,840 --> 03:32:17,840 e 1815 03:32:44,840 --> 03:32:47,840 e 1816 03:33:14,760 --> 03:33:17,760 e 1817 03:33:44,720 --> 03:33:47,720 e 1818 03:34:14,720 --> 03:34:17,720 e 1819 03:34:44,640 --> 03:34:47,640 e 1820 03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:17,640 e 1821 03:35:44,640 --> 03:35:47,640 e 1822 03:36:14,560 --> 03:36:17,560 e 1823 03:36:44,520 --> 03:36:47,520 e 1824 03:37:14,520 --> 03:37:17,520 e 1825 03:37:44,439 --> 03:37:47,439 e 1826 03:38:14,439 --> 03:38:17,439 e 1827 03:38:44,439 --> 03:38:47,439 e 1828 03:39:14,359 --> 03:39:17,359 e 1829 03:39:44,319 --> 03:39:47,319 e 1830 03:40:14,319 --> 03:40:17,319 e 1831 03:40:44,239 --> 03:40:47,239 e 1832 03:41:14,239 --> 03:41:17,239 e 1833 03:41:44,239 --> 03:41:47,239 e 1834 03:42:14,159 --> 03:42:17,159 e 1835 03:42:44,120 --> 03:42:47,120 e 1836 03:43:14,120 --> 03:43:17,120 e 1837 03:43:44,040 --> 03:43:47,040 e 1838 03:44:14,040 --> 03:44:17,040 e 1839 03:44:44,040 --> 03:44:47,040 e 1840 03:45:13,960 --> 03:45:16,960 e 1841 03:45:43,920 --> 03:45:46,920 e 1842 03:46:13,920 --> 03:46:16,920 e 1843 03:46:43,840 --> 03:46:46,840 e 1844 03:47:13,840 --> 03:47:16,840 e 1845 03:47:43,840 --> 03:47:46,840 e 1846 03:48:13,760 --> 03:48:16,760 e 1847 03:48:43,720 --> 03:48:46,720 e 1848 03:49:13,720 --> 03:49:16,720 e 1849 03:49:43,640 --> 03:49:46,640 e 1850 03:50:13,640 --> 03:50:16,640 e 1851 03:50:43,640 --> 03:50:46,640 e 1852 03:51:13,560 --> 03:51:16,560 e 1853 03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:46,520 e 1854 03:52:13,520 --> 03:52:16,520 e 1855 03:52:43,439 --> 03:52:46,439 e 1856 03:53:13,439 --> 03:53:16,439 e 1857 03:53:43,439 --> 03:53:46,439 e 1858 03:54:13,359 --> 03:54:16,359 e 1859 03:54:43,319 --> 03:54:46,319 e 1860 03:55:13,319 --> 03:55:16,319 e 1861 03:55:43,239 --> 03:55:46,239 e 1862 03:56:13,239 --> 03:56:16,239 e 1863 03:56:43,239 --> 03:56:46,239 e 1864 03:57:13,159 --> 03:57:17,159 e e 1865 03:57:54,479 --> 03:57:56,720 thank 1866 03:57:57,680 --> 03:58:04,920 you good evening and welcome back is there a motion to exit executive 1867 03:58:03,560 --> 03:58:10,080 session so moved motion made by councelor hatch is 1868 03:58:07,560 --> 03:58:12,520 there a second second second by counselor 1869 03:58:12,720 --> 03:58:21,520 huitt roll call vote councelor Archer hi councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes 1870 03:58:19,000 --> 03:58:26,399 councelor Burman yes councelor hatch yes councelor hu yes and Council Johnson yes 1871 03:58:24,199 --> 03:58:30,720 motion to exit executive session passes 70 at 1872 03:58:28,080 --> 03:58:35,319 10:21 is there a report or motion from executive session Madame mayor councelor 1873 03:58:33,359 --> 03:58:40,000 gun I have a motion the city council hereby 1874 03:58:37,920 --> 03:58:46,159 authorizes the city administrator to execute an agreement with the water 1875 03:58:41,760 --> 03:58:51,000 resource recovery division team local 340 motion has been made by councelor 1876 03:58:48,520 --> 03:58:54,520 gun is there a second second second by counselor 1877 03:58:52,000 --> 03:58:59,399 hatch any additional discussion roll call vote councelor 1878 03:58:56,720 --> 03:59:03,960 Archer hi councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes councelor Burman yes councelor 1879 03:59:01,920 --> 03:59:09,880 hatch yes councelor hwit yes and councelor Johnston yes motion passes 1880 03:59:07,000 --> 03:59:14,080 70 okay that takes us to item 15 and that is adjournment is there a motion to 1881 03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:17,680 adjourn so moved motion made by councelor hatch is there a second second 1882 03:59:16,239 --> 03:59:22,920 second by councelor Burman roll call vote councelor Archer 1883 03:59:20,319 --> 03:59:27,680 all right councelor Parks yes councelor gun yes councelor Burman yes councelor 1884 03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:31,600 hatch yes councelor huitt yes and councel Johnston yes motion to adjourn 1885 03:59:30,120 --> 03:59:37,199 at 10:22 passes 70 thank you everyone and 1886 03:59:34,680 --> 03:59:37,199 have a great 1887 03:59:43,040 --> 03:59:46,040 evening 1888 04:00:12,960 --> 04:00:16,960 e e