Start the meeting with the pledge of allegiance
to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it
stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.
Start with the approval of the minutes.
Believe we have June 22. We don't have
» Okay.
Then we're going to move on to what was
approved by two. So 610 SAG Main Street,
the installation of driveway gates was
approved and 182 Townline Road.
That was approved.
Moving on to old business 124 skate
lane.
We move on to 60 Daniels Lane Farm.
Is anyone here from traffic far?
Mark
» can you turn on your video and
microphone?
>> Yep, I'm here.
>> Hey Mark,
>> can you get Yeah. Hi. How are you?
>> Great. We can hear you.
» We're starting with this. Okay,
>> that's what I have. What do you Would
you like me to call?
>> No, no, no. That's good. I I'm happy to
do that.
Um, okay. Are we ready?
>> Yes.
>> All right. Um,
I want to thank you guys for again for
the opportunity to present. Thank the
board for that. Um, as we discussed at
the first meeting, topping farm is an
important link to Sagoponic's
agricultural heritage. Um, although its
primary use is equestrian, it remains an
active working farm with horses, barns,
paddics, fields, and open landscapes
requiring daily year-round care and
stewardship.
The permanent farm workers who live and
work here are essential to that
operation. Their daily responsibilities
from caring for the horses to
maintaining the paddics, fields,
fencing, and other agricultural areas
are what allow the property to continue
functioning as well as maint
well-maintaining or as well maintained
working farm and preserve its pastoral
character. The proposed improvements are
intended simply to provide appropriate
accommodations for these year-round
members of the farm. Our goal is a
modest and carefully considered
improvement that supports the continued
agricultural use of topping farm while
respecting its scale, character, and
historical context. We appreciate the
board's continued consideration and look
forward to addressing the proposal with
you today.
Um so this first slide, the red fills
indicate the um they denote the
previously proposed column
and additional column requested by the
board.
Uh the canal lever creates a balance
through openness and lightness. The
gable already has significant visual
weight and out adding the outer column
would create greater asymmetry um
because it's not a true mirror of the
bench column.
It would also not align with the
existing column near the bench. As said
uh the additional column would emphasize
one edge without creating a clear clear
rhythm. And the canal lever helps offset
the gable's mass and maintains a cleaner
composition.
Next slide.
Uh the orange fill indicates the open
voids for viewing. Um it is our position
that balance does not require symmetry.
It can come from proportions, massing,
materials, and relationships between
elements.
Uh the canal lever corners are
intentional and integral to the design.
The open corners create voids that frame
views and enhance the experience of the
inhabitants, the very people who are
stewards of this farm.
Adding columns solely for symmetry would
alter the design intent without
improving balance and symmetry would not
be achieved.
Next slide.
So each porch porch here uh includes a
bench oriented towards the fields. The
canal lever creates a shaded open void.
The open corner provides clear views
towards the fields. The design
intentionally combines shade, seating
and views. Next slide.
Corner columns would reduce the intended
open views from the porches. Uh
properties with views towards the
porches are more than 500 feet away.
The client supports the open design
which best serves the occupants. Uh pri
prioritizing the farm workers views
towards the field is appropriate we feel
for this project. And the following
slides illustrate will illustrate the
visual impact or lack of of the proposed
columns from the street. So, if we go to
the next slide,
so you'll see the distances to uh Gibson
Lane here and to the closest neighbor.
Um, and for this western view,
the red cone, it's hard to see, but it's
there off of Gibson. Um,
that's going to be our next uh that's a
view in our next slide.
You can go to the next slide. Yeah. So
that's that's the view from um from from
Gibson.
So that illustrates this illustrates
what we what we showed in plan a second
ago here. So next slide.
Um
so you see that's far far enough from
the from the road here. So the proposed
sign this is the proposed design is
viewed from approximately 500 feet away.
Um
so the next slide you can go to the next
slide
» to also illustrate this. This is the
same view taken under the morning sun
which um with the sun behind the facade
in question making the column placement
pretty indistinguishable. Next slide.
Here are the views with the column and
the canal levered corner. uh taken from
that west elevation
and this is about 100 feet from the
house just as a reference.
Next slide
and these are the views from um I guess
well this is the north elevation. Um
this is about 75 ft with the column
corner and the canal livered corner.
The next slide
and this is the uh proposed um south
elevation that the board requested.
This is not visible from Daniel's Lane,
but this is the the south elevation with
the Canterle corner. And the next slide
is with the column.
In our view, the added column has little
to no visual impact to the neighboring
properties.
Um, and that's that's it.
>> Thank you, Mark.
Being able to compare the drawings with
and without was extremely helpful for
all of you. So, I appreciate that
effort.
>> Great.
>> Does anyone have any thoughts?
>> I have a question. Mark, uh, in your
beginning you said that the client has
approved the overall design. Have you
spoken to them directly about the column
and are they uh they prefer not having
the specific column or is it they just
approve the whole design?
>> They approved the design. Um, we didn't
get into detail about the column but
they they rely on us to, you know, for
the design and to make that call for for
them. Um,
>> so they're not they're not aware of our
thought to add a column.
>> I did send them that note. Yes.
>> And what did they say?
>> They prefer not to have the column.
» Thank you.
» Anybody have any thoughts on with or
without?
>> Not really. Yeah, I'm fine without the
column. I'm fine with the column. Either
way, it's it works for me. So, whatever.
>> I think ultimately it's it's the
distance from the view.
>> Yeah,
>> I think we the presentation did very
well to conclude that the candle was
superior to it. But again, I just
um
» I think no
in light of the fact that it is all
about the view in a in a beautiful
location such as this. I I would it's
such a minor detail I think
architecturally to have the column at it
for the grounding which I thought would
help. I think it does help but I think
also it's not worth it's not enough
worth sacrificing a view for your for
the people that are inhabiting. So I
think we're all fine here on the board
with no column. Uh and again I
appreciate your
>> that motion for us.
>> No problem. Appreciate the the
opportunity to present it.
>> Yeah. Okay. So I'll make a motion to
>> second. All in favor?
» Thanks Mark.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> All right.
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>> Yeah.
>> All right, we're moving on to 16 Jacob's
Way.
We're looking at paint colors and
chimney
in cedar colors.
Hi everyone. My name is Nina Gonzalez.
I'm here on behalf of um Miss Frober.
She can't be here today. Um we dropped
off a couple weeks ago uh an updated
rendering inclusive of the exterior trim
color as well as the chimney selection.
Uh I know it was reviewed in the group
of two. Um, and I just wanted to answer
any questions that you may had uh in
that regard
because it was brought back from the
committee too.
>> I had one question. I went to to see the
uh blue granite map. Um, you guys have
originally were a medival between the u
blue granite veneer or the gray stuck.
Is that still an either or kind of
situation? No, we have um a property
right down the road uh that the client
tooured that had this exact stone mockup
that they fell in love with and they had
to
» know it's not always
accurate. Okay.
» Did y'all want to see that?
See, to me that feels like a more of a
putty color than like a bluestone
granite color. They're
looking for a monochromatic feeling,
which I know you are.
This is
Charleston gray.
>> Yeah, I brought a color sample because
the colors doesn't always uh translate
to
>> Yeah, that's really helpful.
I think that just
if you look at HC or you look at this
okay
are you capping it with this this
stone here at the top or will it be
>> uh that was a sample of the papers for
the porch which was just a thermal boost?
» Anybody have any comments?
» Um the chimney height is going to is it
going to breach the apex of the
>> Yeah.
Can you hear the plants from the other
sides of the house?
» This is just
it doesn't look very tall. It looks like
it is taller than
have an exterior.
>> I don't believe so. So it might just be
the angle of the but
And you're not doing paint detail around
the windows like you had in the other
slides. It's just that area, nothing
else on the house. Okay.
Bless you.
So it is taller. I was wrong. Yes.
» They typically are in this context, but
Okay. Does anybody have any issues with
their plans for the stone coloring?
>> No, the stone and the paint.
» Okay. Thank you. I'll make a motion to
approve.
>> All in favor? Hi.
>> Thank you all. Have a great rest of your
day.
You step
This is
Thank you.
That's
Don't look at the other one.
Okay.
» Yes. I passed it back this way. I think
it's under by your mouse.
» Okay.
All right. We're moving on to 53 Hedges
Lane. An application for Oh,
>> that's a journ.
So, now we're going to move on to 836
Second Street.
I think where this is on the map.
visible
from
» afternoon. Thank you members of the
board for allowing us to present today
for this project. My name is Robert
Treasure from Newman Design
Architectural Office
Treasure T R E D G E R
behalf of the owners Mr. Mrs. Mackey uh
to present this uh revitalization of
this existing home. Our proposal is to
provide new siding, roofing, and a few
additional windows. And I can walk you
through the project and an additional uh
front covering to enhance the
architectural elements of the existing
home.
On this floor plan, it's represented for
that front entrance, a roof over reverse
gable uh at the front entries. You'll
see that in the next few slides. And
then a few expanded second floor deck uh
deck areas to enlarge the area for ex
outdoor use.
Top slide represents the front of
elevation
and uh the new siding. Uh we have both
horizontal and vertical siding uh
presented throughout the new throughout
the residence as well as some standing
seam roof as an architectural feature on
some of those architectural elements
throughout the the building in the front
over the garage and in the rear areas uh
over some of the master bedroom and and
other living spaces.
That section on the bottom left
represents the addition or additional
roof area over an existing room that's
already existing.
These slides represent the existing
house on the top the way it's as of
today. Uh painted siding on the
exterior. The owner wishes to enhance
that with cedar uh with reduh red cedar
roof shingles and uh the Alaskan yellow
cedar for the trim and the siding. And I
have samples here if you like to see as
well.
Uh the uh on the right side where we
have the metal standing seam roof that
will be a dark bronze standing seam roof
color to blend in with the um the color
palette that we have.
This, as you can see on the bottom slide
on the left, uh we removed the roof.
We're proposing to remove some of the
roof area that is as depicted on the top
uh elevation uh to bring in a cable rail
system to open up the views to the
backyard.
That would be on the that um room along
the top as you see there. And then a
small area on the rear end of one of the
bedrooms.
So if anyone has any questions or
comments, I'd be happy to ask.
What's the material on the roof on the
bottom left there?
>> The bottom left that is the standing
seam metal roof.
Uh like a dark bronze color.
>> And you have samples of that?
>> I do not have samples, but it it depicts
the same color as the rendering uh for
that particular product.
Is there another reason for that being
metal versus like the others other than
aesthetics? Just out of curiosity?
>> Yeah, we wanted to enhance the
architectural of the the the residence
existing residence and bring it up to a
nice format um of what the um what we'd
like to see in the building. As you you
look on the I guess the slide prior, it
does balance off between the uh
different roof elevations throughout the the building.
Those are enhanced rooms and we wanted
to give a little more uh architectural
element to it.
» Is this an old one?
>> That looks like an old
side.
>> Each side of what? I'm sorry. uh each
side of the home
>> the calculations for the
>> uh I do not the only the existing
glazing we're going to be replacing some
of the windows uh the only glazing that
we're changing is the front windows uh
by the entrance to the right of the
entrance back
that
if you see on the top slide right next
to the left of the garage
uh there are small two little windows
about looks like 8 in high or 8 in
square. And we're adding a few taller
windows in that section just next to to
the left of the garage.
That's the those are the only additional
wind as opposed to also the front
entrance window. If you see right above
the uh center where that reverse gable
is pronounced
>> in the rear, that's the rear.
>> That's the front,
>> right? But there are changes in the
rear.
But but wise there are no additional
windows if that's what you were asking
in the rear.
windows would just be
uh in the front to uh right above the
entrance door uh behind
sort of uh
table there. Um is that a outdoor space?
>> Uh directly next to the entry store.
>> Yeah. Uh directly above the second
floor.
>> On the second floor.
>> Oh yes. That it's not an outdoor space.
It's an interior space. It's basically
an expansion of an existing room uh to
with a reverse gable. It already has a
sloped roof in the room. So, we're
proposing to put a reverse to
>> Oh, so this is a sort of a shed shed
dorm room.
>> Uh look at the top photo you can see on
the like towards the left. That's what
it looks like currently where it just
sheds down is a that type of roof.
» Are there windows there? It's like a
wall. Uh there are no windows uh on that
center section. Feel like I could walk
up to the screen if
» So this is the front entrance area.
That's the front door. And this roof is
the proposed just a reverse gable over
the top of this area.
>> Oh, no. Right to the left of it.
>> This no in between
>> above.
>> That's existing. This little guy.
>> Yeah, that's existing.
>> What room is that?
>> Uh,
>> is that is that a dormer shed out or is
it an indentation? It's hard to tell.
>> It's an indentation, but I don't know
what room it is exactly in that area.
>> It does not.
» I don't think it's a storage room, but I
know it was set back just like it's
um there's another photo.
It's not a window.
>> No, it's not a window.
>> It's just a wall.
>> Yeah.
>> Why? I wonder why it was like that.
>> I also feel like I I don't We don't have
all the plants. I don't I don't see two
other sides of the house
>> to look at. I think we'd be able to
tell.
I mean for renderings and existing
photos we have south
>> I don't know you could go open the uh
elevations if it's not on the renderings
I think we have three renderings of the
building um there's another side
we could I could show you that on the
elevator
>> we have a west elevation
>> A7
I say
A3
side of the uh
on the bottom.
Did you asking percentages?
>> Yeah, we don't doesn't have any blazing
percentage.
» I think we need a little bit more
information.
>> Okay.
>> We would love to see what the glazing
percentage is of the existing house and
then a new glazing
percentage for the plants that you have
and then if it's possible not too much
to ask the rendering of the east and
west sides
>> we have a west side
>> there's a west elev
>> I mean elevations we have
>> uh the rendering is
>> the last page
>> the west
sorry
>> you like to see an east uh render
all sides
and the glazing differences.
>> Yes, I will uh
have that calculated and then like I
mentioned there's two windows basically
where I
feel like there's more but it's just
hard to see with the before and after
photos. Um, when I look at every before
and after,
I feel like there are differences.
Um,
>> but regardless, just to know what that
difference is.
>> Absolutely.
>> Um, in general, I mean, I think you
know,
>> I think you've done a good job of
updating this home. Where is the house
built?
>> I'm not sure exactly, but I know it's a number of years. It's
>> 80s, I believe. 80s
» from an 80s house to the makeover. I'd
say it's
>> the land of tea house. It's nice to see
some lay hands.
>> Right. Right.
>> That's a question about the plantings
around it because where sit when you go
in the driveway, their houses on either
side and it's rimmed in I guess privet
or something. So when you plan to build
it, you'll just go right in the driveway
and remove any of the of the trees or
anything just
>> There was no indication to me that they
were going to remove, but we could
definitely speak to that. I I'll ask
again if there was any
three or four houses in that area that I
think you could disrupt them.
>> Oh, if they remove
mention of that.
Yeah.
The only other comment I think I'd make
is maybe consider not glass for the
garage doors.
Yes, that was to bring up a little bit
of more contemporary feel to the uh the
design of
um
I think the garage we're facing the side
with a lot of you know screening maybe
but I think you know we leave the lights
on and it's tidy in there and it's a lot
of extra glazing that we don't maybe is
not the place where you want to have use
those numbers. U that's just a request
from myself personally.
And then if you could come back to us
with the color of the trim
seems
I know renderings are the color would
all be the same material. So there was
this is white
and yellow feeder with the trim and
>> so it's not paint.
>> No
it'll blend in. Okay.
What else I need comments?
>> I mean, still a little confusion with
the roof lines and the facade, but it
not from the historical preservation
committee. That doesn't make a
difference. Um, no, I think I think it's
again it's commendable that we have a
lot of people tearing things down,
right?
>> Understood. But it's nice to see this
and
>> yeah, they love the house. They just
wanted to upgrade it to uh bring it to a
nice architectural element.
>> And normally we do like continuity of of
uh roof structure, but here it does
actually help I think break it up and
>> Right.
>> I agree.
So do you have a clear picture of what
we need for next round? Yes, I've taken
some notes and I will provide uh some
information and some feedback from
ownership if we need to and and our our
office.
>> That' be great.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you. That was very
second. paper.
Okay. To the driveway gates at 511
Daniel.
Good afternoon. My name is Shannon
Bradley and I'm the owner of Hampton's
Permit and Expediting which is located
at 16 Window Lane in Southampton, New
York. I'm here today representing STEM
Partners LLC in connection with an
application before the Syoponic
Architectural Review Board for approval
of a proposed automatic driveway gate
for 511 Daniels Lane, Sagoponic, New
York. Proposed gate will be set
approximately 40 ft from the roadway. It
will be constructed of western red cedar
S4S vertical grade material and will be
approximately 4 ft in height and 16 ft 3
in in width. The gate will attach to two
8 in posts, one on each side, which will
also be construction of Western.
As part of this application, I have
provided the most updated survey showing
the proposed location of the automated
driveway gate along with a color
rendering of the gate and a drafted shot
drawing illustrating the dimensions,
columns, footings, control panel, and
keycap. The gate has been designed by
East End Automation, which is a company
that has designed and installed numerous
gates
within the village of Sanaponic. East
End Automation is familiar with the
design standards standards material
expectations and building code
requirements applicable to automated
driveway gates in the village. The
proposed scheme has been designed to be
cohesive with the character of the
neighborhood while maintaining a high
level of quality and workmanship. The
use of western red cedar and the
proposed scale are intended to
complement the surrounding property and
remain consistent with Sagoponic's
architectural expectations. I appreciate
the board's time and attention to this
application and I'm happy to answer any
questions.
>> Thank you.
for paying attention to the
style guide to the gates and if you
could maybe just go back to the
overview. Yes. Can you point to us where
the gates going and show and tell us if
there are other gates already existing
on the
>> There aren't other gates already
existing and it should be 40 ft long.
>> Yes, there are.
>> There are gates. Sure.
>> At the main entrance as you come back to
the one where the residential part of
the property starts,
>> but not Okay. The 40 ft in is where the
proposed. So,
>> and at the end of that flag when you
come back towards the house, there's
another driveway
>> here, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, I I misunderstood the
question. I thought you meant off the
roadway. I apologize. So, off the
roadway, this is the gate that they're
proposing. And the reason that it's 40
ft back, it says per code, any lot over
40,000 square feet has to have a
driveway accessory gate set back 40
instead of 20. So that's basically what
we're proposing. Um re placed on the
survey so that we meet that minimum.
Okay. And what is the need for the gate?
>> Uh they stated privacy. Uh they wanted
the gate for security and privacy. It's
really
basically the only reasons that they
stated
>> need a a solid reason and it's hard to
find a reason that the other gate
doesn't already sort of fulfill the
needs of
>> I guess from the roadway with all the um
I mean there's just such an influx of
vehicles and traffic and whatnot more
than what any of us are used to in this
area especially I mean I grew up out
here and it's just something that they
really want on a request from you know
request approval for. So it does it does
serve a different purpose than the gate
that's so far in.
I do have to say and I don't know but
there are a lot of other I don't like to
compare and I don't like to give out
addresses but there are a lot of other
gates on by um Daniel's path that are
located in the exact location that this
gate is being proposed. Um it is with
very nice material. Next, definitely.
>> And those gates, are they with open
fields or are the gates that you're
referring to kind of behind uh greenery?
>> At this time, what we're proposing is
all open. If you would prefer screening,
we could
>> the president the gate precedence
near there. I don't see any gates at
least with the open fields. Uh,
I really don't want to compare to other
houses, but there are other there's five
that I could
has a bunch of
>> but that's got trees in front. So there
this property I I know there
>> because of the beautiful um wild flowers
and things like that that they plant.
It's a different look in that specific
location. Not saying it's bad or good,
but I think we should be realistic that area will change with those gates,
>> right? I do I do think I mean my
personal opinion is that the standards
that you put forth already in your code
to help preserve the beauty of the
property. It's the opakeness and
openness that you guys command in your
code, the height restriction, a lot of
things that you already prepare for that
people need definitely helps. not block
beautiful views. So that's the only
thing I could speak to for that. But
it's really we're here to see what your
thoughts are and see if you would, you
know, prove it's
take any any comments and there's
anything at all that we could do
differently. Definitely
would like to hear it. I mean, I think
in this area and in this case, you know,
there are probably a lot of, to use
term, looks,
>> right? People who want to see it closer,
right? And I'm sure that's what they're
trying to
>> There's a lot. Yes.
>> Not have happened.
>> Okay. Um, so I think
you know
the two gate thing is not what we would
really prefer
but I do understand the circumstances.
Does anybody have any other thoughts?
>> I feel like if we're trying to avoid
precedence of gates then having a
president of two gates means that
especially one at 40 ft would serve as
more of an amorphous buffer to specific
uh pet, kids, that kind of thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
you know, could I argue that my 8 foot
driveway I want a gate because it's wide
enough for every corner doing the turn.
» But by code, it meets where it needs to
be. The code is set up and this is not
it's just 20 ft. off of any lot less
than 1,000 square ft and maybe
>> maybe you're correct. Maybe I'll make a
suggestion then to move their existing
gate.
>> Okay.
>> That way we wouldn't be setting up the
two gates are okay. Um how does anybody
feel about
that? Not that
>> also it seems maybe 100 to 150 feet in.
Uh, I'm not sure if it's really help
that much, but there is already an
existing sort of uh turnout area.
>> Okay.
>> Um, so maybe
>> Yeah. I'm not sure that makes it much
better seeing a gate off of the
distance.
>> It does actually
farther away.
>> Yeah.
>> So then maybe moving it not to 40 feet,
but moving it to where Tony said there's
a turn around.
>> So how far you could give like how far
Can I go back up? Yeah. How far would
you want it? Moved in so
>> I didn't take a picture of it. Um, but
there's already an existing um sort of
uh towards the west side of the uh of
the driveway. Okay.
>> There's a little indentation a little uh
almost like
>> circular area where there's existing
more asphalt looks like for someone to
turn a truck around.
>> Okay. And one of the big things is is
when someone approaches a gate um you
know say an unrequited
uh UPS guy comes he's backing out there
and that's
>> so to be able to have a way for him to
go in and turn around and come back.
>> Okay. So more width to be able to move
understand that point completely. Okay.
So
» thoughts on
>> So you're just you're just you're saying
push the gate further back but still but
that other gate still going to be there?
>> No,
>> I don't think we want two gates. I don't
think we should allow two gates uh as a
president. And I think well I understand
the situation. They don't want people
driving all the way down to look into
their land where they're living.
>> That's basically
>> and I I completely understand that. And
so I just think not that we want to gate
in the middle of nowhere, right? I mean
it certainly probably makes more sense
toward the street.
>> Would you like influencers where there's
wild flowers are out or there's just
people getting lost? I
>> mean anybody like wanting to
>> Yeah, they like to apparently drive in
and then get as close as they can which
is the gate. it's further in and then
they they really do they they impede
themselves onto other people's property
and just say it how it is and then you
know turn around and leave the property.
So these particular homeowners wanted to
see if they could put a second gate
closer to the road and you know prevent
that from happening. So I I mean I guess
it's happening a lot enough to be able
to have me come here and request this
from Yeah.
understand.
Yeah, I agree. I think push back a bit,
which is good. I think it's still open,
but still be able to see it.
>> Okay.
>> I can see the gate at their house kind
of now back there, but I I understand
it's not that easy to see.
>> Okay.
» So, I would agree with um this gentleman
here. Okay.
>> Where they can turn around because
otherwise they have to back all the way
up which
>> Yeah. There was a turning spot there.
>> Yeah. And they still be able to see it
clearly
which is losing the gate or
it's not the building.
» I'm surprised they go down there.
>> I know.
>> I'm really surp I've never seen car.
Yeah. No, I hear you. I'm not I'm not
challenging. I'm just
>> nothing more embarrassing than back
windows.
>> So, the two things that I'm coming back
with would be to move the gate to a more
open with area where the turnound is
>> and definitely to remove the second
gate.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
Understand. Is there any is
everything else okay? Design good.
>> Design's good. Thank you so much.
>> All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Nice to be here. Have a good day.
>> You too.
» So, I'll make a motion to adjourn.
>> Second.
Stand up on the darest.
» Yeah.
See how we close.
» So we'll
select our committee of two for
September
» committee of September.
>> Is anybody want to volunteer? Do you
want to do
» I don't think we have anything. We don't
have anything yet, but sometimes they
come up in the middle and they're simple
one.
>> All right. And our next meeting date is
September 28th at noon.
» Anybody need a public hearing on
anything before we close?
>> Okay. All right. Make a motion to
meeting. Second. All in favor? Hi.
>> Hi.